The Megyn Kelly Show - Dangerous Anti-ICE Rhetoric Rises, Golden Globes Nonsense, and Shock Allegations Against Actor Timothy Busfield, with Mark Geragos and Matt Murphy ｜ Ep. 1228

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00:00:30.540 Martha listens to her favourite band all the time.

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00:01:00.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:02.540 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.420 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.160 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.600 Oh my gosh, we have a lot to cover this morning,

00:01:17.620 including an in-depth legal discussion

00:01:20.020 on Hollywood actor Timothy Busfield's child abuse allegations.

00:01:24.820 A warrant for his arrest was issued Friday.

00:01:27.880 He has yet to turn himself into police.

00:01:31.000 This arrest warrant came out of New Mexico,

00:01:34.600 where he is accused of having molested a young seven-year-old boy

00:01:41.300 and inappropriately touched and abused his brother, another seven-year-old boy.

00:01:47.620 This is amazing.

00:01:49.360 He appears to be on the lam.

00:01:51.420 The reporting, this guy, for the younger audience, you may not know him.

00:01:54.320 He was huge on 30-something back in the day, the West Wing.

00:01:58.060 He's married to actress Melissa Gilbert, best known, and let's be honest,

00:02:04.680 really only known, for playing Laura Ingalls on Little House on the Prairie.

00:02:09.320 Laura Ingalls Wilder.

00:02:10.260 She recently, in November, it was November 15th, which will become relevant,

00:02:16.520 had the gall to take shots at yours truly over factually accurate comments I made about Jeffrey Epstein

00:02:22.800 and what his preference was in terms of women he attacked or young girls he attacked,

00:02:30.380 while knowing full well that her husband was being investigated by police

00:02:35.420 for allegedly molesting two young boys.

00:02:38.520 She knew her husband was being investigated by police for child molestation

00:02:46.900 when she took to her Instagram trying to generate news coverage

00:02:51.340 about what a fierce warrior she was about abuse victims. 1.00

00:02:57.080 What a liar. 1.00

00:02:58.680 How disgusting is this? 1.00

00:03:00.760 It happens every time these people who feel the need to virtue signal,

00:03:05.700 I'm a good person and you're not.

00:03:09.440 That's what virtue signaling really is.

00:03:12.420 I mean, you can take it to the bank.

00:03:14.360 They have something to hide.

00:03:15.780 Take it to the bank.

00:03:17.580 How many times does this happen?

00:03:19.320 Where then later it comes out that that person has some criminal background,

00:03:24.420 some perversion, some disgusting scandal within their family

00:03:29.080 that they're feeling anxious or embarrassed about.

00:03:32.800 This isn't even about her attack on me.

00:03:34.500 It is the moral hypocrisy from the usual Hollywood crowd.

00:03:39.140 We're going to get into all of that coming up with our legal dream team of Matt Murphy and Mark Garagos.

00:03:44.320 That moral hypocrisy, by the way, on display last night at the Golden Globes, too.

00:03:47.840 More on that coming up.

00:03:48.800 But first news out of Minneapolis continues to dominate.

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00:04:29.220 On Friday night, right before we left air, Alpha News, which we love, it's out of Minnesota,

00:04:35.360 it's more fair and balanced, it's the antidote to the disgusting Minneapolis Star Tribune,

00:04:40.540 and therefore it's hated by that organization.

00:04:42.860 Alpha News got and released video it obtained showing the shooting of 37-year-old Renee Goode

00:04:50.240 from the perspective of the ICE officer who fired the shots.

00:04:54.360 It was from his iPhone camera that we'd been waiting for.

00:04:57.880 Well, after the show, our producer Jake Whitman pointed out something most in the media missed.

00:05:02.840 Right as the agent was about to be hit by her car, he screamed,

00:05:08.600 whoa, you can hear his fright.

00:05:10.800 You can tell he's getting hit by a car.

00:05:13.780 He's scared, as he should be for his life.

00:05:17.380 Watch, you will hear the agent scream it 41 seconds into this clip.

00:05:21.120 It's okay, we don't change our plates every morning, just so you know.

00:05:46.380 It'll be the same plate when you come talk to us later.

00:05:48.640 Okay, there's so much there.

00:06:12.960 So first of all, you could hear him, whoa, whoa, and then the gunshot simultaneously as he's obviously being hit by the car and fearing for his life.

00:06:25.960 I mean, it's all right there on the tape.

00:06:28.440 And you hear not once, not twice, not three times, four times the officers say, 0.99

00:06:36.740 get out of the car, get out of the car, get out of the fucking car, get out of the car, four times. 0.99

00:06:42.000 Remember when the left tried to tell us that they gave her conflicting instructions, that they also told her to drive away? 0.99

00:06:47.700 No, they didn't.

00:06:48.720 It was her wife who says at the end of that clip, drive, baby, drive.

00:06:54.240 The wife told her to drive, and she did. 0.99

00:06:57.860 Running over, almost running over this cop, hitting him, and almost running over him.

00:07:03.080 That's what happened.

00:07:04.500 The cops were totally consistent.

00:07:06.620 These officers, these ICE officers, who, by the way, do have arrest authority. 0.99

00:07:11.340 Four times, get out of the car, get out of the car, get out of the fucking car, get out of the car. 0.99

00:07:17.060 The wife says, drive, baby, drive. 0.99

00:07:19.400 And she listened to the wife who should be arrested. 0.99

00:07:22.840 That wife should be under arrest. 0.88

00:07:25.080 She should.

00:07:25.680 She said she was aiding and abetting the resisting of arrest and fleeing from a crime scene.

00:07:31.580 She's committing a felony. 1.00

00:07:33.460 You could make a good case for felony murder here.

00:07:36.380 She should be in custody right now, that woman. 1.00

00:07:39.020 And by the way, where's her video?

00:07:41.360 She was videoing the police officer.

00:07:44.540 And that hasn't been made public.

00:07:46.400 Why didn't she leak that to the Minneapolis Star Tribune if it helps her, right?

00:07:51.000 She's not going to go to Alpha.

00:07:52.120 Okay, go to Star Tribune.

00:07:53.860 Go to MSNBC. 0.98

00:07:55.500 Go to any of these lunatics who are out there. 0.89

00:07:57.340 They'll all be happy to put it on. 0.97

00:07:58.640 Go to NPR.

00:07:59.360 They could not be more in the tank for you.

00:08:02.060 She won't.

00:08:02.840 She hasn't.

00:08:03.520 Why is that?

00:08:05.080 Do you think if that videotape actually helped her side, she'd be keeping it private?

00:08:10.140 I don't think so.

00:08:11.900 I think we all know the reason that she hasn't made it public the way clearly the officer involved in this thing did.

00:08:18.600 And now you have these lunatics out there saying, why was he videotaping?

00:08:21.380 I think we have that. 0.62

00:08:22.520 Do we have that, Deb?

00:08:23.780 There's media personalities upset about the fact that the officer was videotaping this incident.

00:08:33.340 By the way, it started with him with the iPhone circling around her car.

00:08:38.200 He was videotaping her car and her license plate, as ICE has been doing, to make a record of these ne'er-do-wells who are breaking the law.

00:08:48.100 Renee Goode was parked perpendicularly, blocking traffic. 0.99

00:08:51.920 I'm going to get to that in one second.

00:08:53.100 But you just tell me, if you went out in your neighborhood and you decided to park your car perpendicular to the oncoming traffic, do you think somebody might pull you aside?

00:09:03.760 Do you think you'd be in trouble with law enforcement?

00:09:06.400 That you think you'd be complying with the law?

00:09:08.100 I don't think so.

00:09:10.280 That's why he was videotaping the vehicle, including the license plate, which the wife knew because she became antagonistic with him.

00:09:17.600 And how about the antagonism, by the way?

00:09:19.760 Okay.

00:09:20.060 How about the antagonism?

00:09:21.660 People, the left is literally saying, oh my God, Renee's last words were, have a good day or I'm good, whatever her cheery little comment was there. 0.93

00:09:34.340 That wasn't a cheery little comment.

00:09:36.440 She was very clearly antagonizing the police, trying to be, haven't you ever done this?

00:09:41.800 I've done this.

00:09:42.820 You know who I do this to?

00:09:43.700 When somebody honks their horn at me and I'm driving, nine times out of 10, I put on a big smile and I give them a big wave, like I'm confused, like I think they're saying hello to me.

00:09:55.680 It's just kind of fun to antagonize somebody who's trying to upset you.

00:09:59.500 I would never do it to a law enforcement officer.

00:10:02.020 Can we re-rack that tape that we just played?

00:10:04.040 Let's re-rack it and play it again, okay?

00:10:06.220 Listen for her, it's an antagonistic cheerfulness she's unleashing on him as evidenced.

00:10:12.580 I'm not mad at you, I'm not mad at you, she says, I'm not mad at you, right?

00:10:16.780 It's exactly what I do when I wave at the people who honk their horn at me, except it's not law enforcement and a potentially dangerous situation where you're blocking traffic.

00:10:27.180 Listen for that, listen for the four times the cops tell her to get out of the car, listen for her wife antagonizing the cop over videotaping and the license plate, and then saying, drive, okay?

00:10:38.780 Listen.

00:10:42.580 He's walking over to the car and he's videotaping it.

00:10:52.580 It's okay, we don't change our plates every morning, just so you know.

00:11:04.500 It'll be the same plate when you come talk to us later.

00:11:07.060 That's fine.

00:11:07.880 U.S. citizen.

00:11:10.580 You want to come at us?

00:11:12.200 You want to come at us?

00:11:13.600 I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy.

00:11:15.580 Go ahead.

00:11:16.580 Get out of the car. 1.00

00:11:17.120 Get out of the fucking car. 1.00

00:11:19.580 Get out of the car. 1.00

00:11:20.580 Oh. 0.98

00:11:25.000 Fucking good. 0.98

00:11:29.080 There it is. 0.98

00:11:30.540 I mean, it's pretty clear, right?

00:11:32.420 So you see, that's fine, dude.

00:11:35.900 I'm not mad at you.

00:11:37.180 Oh, she's so sweet. 0.70

00:11:38.600 She's so innocent.

00:11:39.780 That's fine, dude.

00:11:40.940 I'm not mad at you. 1.00

00:11:42.680 Which, of course, is meant to telegraph, fuck off. 1.00

00:11:45.960 Everyone understands that. 1.00

00:11:48.300 Literally everybody sane knows that.

00:11:50.680 And the leftists know that, too.

00:11:52.420 They're misrepresenting it.

00:11:53.780 And then you have the wife antagonizing, you want to come at us? 1.00

00:11:57.120 You want to come at us? 1.00

00:11:58.620 You want some of this bitch? 1.00

00:12:00.140 Is basically what she's saying to him. 0.99

00:12:01.980 And he was well aware of that and maintained his dignity and professionalism.

00:12:05.520 But the nonsense that this was like some sweet stay-at-home mom just like out for groceries, like, hi, I'm not mad at you.

00:12:17.220 First of all, she has nothing to be mad at him over.

00:12:20.220 She's breaking the law, antagonizing law enforcement, and trying to stop a lawful police operation. 1.00

00:12:26.100 No one really cares whether she's mad at him or not.

00:12:28.180 But secondly, she has no business interacting with him in the first place.

00:12:33.100 What he's doing there is a mission given to him by his boss, Kristi Noem, and President Trump.

00:12:39.640 And her feelings about it are totally irrelevant.

00:12:44.800 That is not what you would glean if you watched any of the mainstream news, okay?

00:12:48.760 The Democrat Party has an ex-account that put out a screen grab of her, showing her with her fake smile. 0.98

00:12:59.060 She's not actually happy to see him.

00:13:00.760 They actually want us to believe she was like this sweet, like, hi, I'm not mad at you.

00:13:05.220 I'm so sweet. 1.00

00:13:06.360 What a fucking lie. 1.00

00:13:07.300 That's so obvious. 1.00

00:13:08.480 And here is what the caption of their post reads.

00:13:10.840 Newly released footage reveals Renee Nicole Good's last words.

00:13:16.980 Renee Nicole Good, quote,

00:13:18.760 That's fine, dude.

00:13:20.140 I'm not mad at you. 1.00

00:13:22.080 Gunshots, ice, colon, fucking bitch. 1.00

00:13:26.440 That is disgusting. 1.00

00:13:28.400 That is pure propaganda.

00:13:30.640 That is exactly the kind of thing that's amping up the temperature in Minneapolis and elsewhere,

00:13:35.560 and that is going to get an ICE officer killed.

00:13:39.120 That's what I'm worried about.

00:13:40.860 I'm sorry that Renee Good is dead.

00:13:42.560 I genuinely am.

00:13:43.500 But she brought it upon herself.

00:13:45.660 You don't do this.

00:13:47.740 Everyone knows that.

00:13:48.760 You don't antagonize cops in the middle of a law enforcement operation.

00:13:53.220 I think I've told you guys this before, but my brother's a cop.

00:13:56.360 He made it all the way to lieutenant in Albany, New York, and now he's retired.

00:14:00.140 And one day when he was training, he was a young cop, still foot patrol, and I was in law school in Albany, and I had just taught an aerobics class, which I did to help put myself through law school.

00:14:12.880 So I was wearing sort of like an aerobics outfit, kind of inappropriate, but whatever.

00:14:18.160 I was in it all the time because I was paying my bills that way.

00:14:20.420 And I went by, there was like the paddy wagon there with my brother Paul, who was making an arrest with other cops.

00:14:27.420 And I was just so excited to see Paul on the job that I pulled over and got out of my car.

00:14:31.700 I did have a long winter coat on, but underneath it was an aerobics outfit.

00:14:35.160 And I was like, Paul, Paul, hi. 1.00

00:14:36.660 Like an idiot. 1.00

00:14:38.880 And he's like, Meg, get back in the car. 1.00

00:14:41.460 I can't talk now.

00:14:42.580 Like, this is not a good time.

00:14:43.700 You do not want to walk into this.

00:14:45.220 Like a dope.

00:14:46.280 Like, I was just excited to see my brother there doing his thing.

00:14:50.920 But like, he knew, he had the good sense to say civilians, beloved or not, are not welcome into a situation like this.

00:15:00.000 It is charged.

00:15:01.460 Anything could happen.

00:15:02.340 Well, times 1,000 in the situation into which Renee Good voluntarily put herself.

00:15:09.420 She was the antagonist.

00:15:11.660 She was about to be the arrestee.

00:15:14.660 And she was resisting arrest.

00:15:16.320 She knew very well what was about to happen to her.

00:15:18.600 That's one of the reasons, potentially, why she tried to floor her accelerator.

00:15:23.580 There's a big debate about whether she was just trying to get away or run over the officer.

00:15:27.520 I have to say I don't care.

00:15:29.320 It doesn't matter.

00:15:30.000 Legally, all that matters is his point of view.

00:15:33.220 And her reasons for almost running him over are irrelevant.

00:15:37.320 All that is relevant is he genuinely believed, he reasonably believed, that he was about to be run over by her.

00:15:43.600 But here you have the Democrat Party putting out this little ad that suggests she said, I'm not mad at you. 1.00

00:15:51.520 And he shot her in the face and called her a fucking bitch. 1.00

00:15:54.740 By the way, it's now been reported by, I think, Alpha News as well, and others, that the officer who used that term was not the officer who fired. 1.00

00:16:05.120 It was a different officer who was obviously emotionally upset over the fact that she had just tried to kill a fellow officer.

00:16:15.360 All right.

00:16:16.020 So and at this point, they don't know what's happened to the woman.

00:16:18.600 I'm sure the officer had no idea that she had died at that point.

00:16:22.060 But look, these officers are human beings.

00:16:25.140 If he was feeling steam after the fact that she, in his view, almost killed at least two of these cops because one had his arm in her car, who could blame him for not feeling totally warm and fuzzy about her?

00:16:38.960 And by the way, for what it's worth, and maybe it's not worth anything to the detractors, Tom Homan has said he's been in touch with this officer.

00:16:47.380 We've chosen not to name him and put his picture all over the board because people are doxing him.

00:16:51.740 They're threatening his family. 0.96

00:16:53.300 This is ridiculous. 0.93

00:16:55.140 But he spoke with them and said he's distraught. 0.82

00:16:57.960 Here's listen to Tom Homan here.

00:17:00.700 He's concerned.

00:17:02.060 No, I've seen today his face over social media.

00:17:07.100 He's been doxed. 0.98

00:17:08.200 People are threatening to kill him.

00:17:10.920 So he's not good.

00:17:12.280 No, he fears for him and his family.

00:17:14.160 And again, let the investigation play out.

00:17:17.940 Before you say you want to execute this man, let the investigation play out.

00:17:22.680 This officer is not in a good spot emotionally for his family.

00:17:26.420 Is he upset about what took place?

00:17:28.620 Of course he is.

00:17:29.520 I mean, any law enforcement officer who uses any sort of—

00:17:33.520 Look, I've been around a long time.

00:17:35.400 Even if it's less lethal force.

00:17:38.080 If you're about to put hands on somebody and take them down, it affects you.

00:17:41.880 Of course.

00:17:45.680 The guy's only human. 1.00

00:17:48.140 But now you have these morons in the media looking at him and wanting him to have superhuman skills. 0.99

00:17:54.020 They say, oh, she reversed the car, and then as she went forward, her front wheels for a second turned left. 0.99

00:18:04.540 And he was more to the right.

00:18:07.440 Okay.

00:18:07.780 He was in front of her car, right in front of the driver's side headlight.

00:18:12.920 Either way, left or right, this guy was about to get run over.

00:18:17.820 And the notion that he was able to look at the tires instead of the massive vehicle coming at him is absurd.

00:18:26.240 Deb, can you recue the poor female officer in Baltimore who got run over? 0.71

00:18:31.740 First, I'm going to play you while we get that.

00:18:33.720 I'm going to play you the media commentary about how—why was he walking around with a cell phone as though this is somehow nefarious?

00:18:42.100 Listen here.

00:18:44.500 Well, one thing that stands out to me is the question that was just brought up.

00:18:48.240 Why is this person filming?

00:18:50.200 And Ross did testify in December, during the trial in December, that they do not wear cameras on their body.

00:19:01.220 They do not wear body cam, and they do not have dashboard cams as well.

00:19:05.480 Not saying that that has anything to do, but I'm just—they don't have cameras.

00:19:08.200 So his cell phone would have, like, possibly been the only camera he had.

00:19:11.860 And, you know, I've seen a lot of these videos from every angle now, and I'm looking at J.D. Vance's tweet, and he says, you know, that many of you say that the officer wasn't hit by a car, wasn't being harassed.

00:19:29.620 And I just—I still don't see him being hit by a car.

00:19:36.340 It's amazing.

00:19:37.840 That wasn't the only inane media commentary.

00:19:42.080 I mean, by the way, why isn't she happy he has a phone?

00:19:45.300 She's not happy because she knows that the video exonerates him.

00:19:48.860 So now she's pissed. 0.99

00:19:50.340 Wasn't it all these crazy leftists and their demands that everybody wear a body cam that's a police officer that led to this being the law in many places, regulations in other places, but not for ICE agents?

00:20:02.780 So what does this guy do?

00:20:03.740 He videotapes it.

00:20:05.520 He's videotaping evidence of a crime.

00:20:07.500 And then when everything goes down with Renee Goode, he continues videotaping.

00:20:12.040 He videotaped all the way until he was hit by her car, as you can also see because he clearly drops the phone.

00:20:18.920 Why did he drop the phone if there wasn't a calamity happening in the moment?

00:20:23.580 Obviously, he wanted that on tape.

00:20:25.980 You can't please these people.

00:20:28.340 No body cam.

00:20:30.060 Okay, I'll videotape it myself.

00:20:32.140 There's something suspicious about you.

00:20:34.240 Something's wrong with that.

00:20:35.300 And that's not the only point.

00:20:37.240 That was on MSNOW.

00:20:38.080 Her name was Brandi Zadrozny, who really should be ejected from any obvious commentary about this issue. 1.00

00:20:46.320 I mean, clearly, this woman's an idiot. 1.00

00:20:47.820 I mean, even for MSNBC, truly. 1.00

00:20:49.460 They go super biased, but they don't always go super dumb over there. 1.00

00:20:54.580 She's too dumb, even for MS. 1.00

00:20:57.120 Here's Rena Shaw on MSNOW with another equally probing question in Sop48. 1.00

00:21:02.540 This was a mother.

00:21:05.580 This was a woman that even said, hey, I'm not mad at you.

00:21:08.080 Right.

00:21:08.340 Literally a second before she was shot.

00:21:09.840 If they had the ability to get out of the way, they have a duty to get out of the way and not discharge their firearm, endangering it.

00:21:15.080 And law enforcement officers are not supposed to be in front of people's cars.

00:21:17.780 The world is watching.

00:21:18.920 And the world knows that America has an issue with guns.

00:21:21.760 And police.

00:21:22.660 And police, of course.

00:21:23.900 But the gun thing, the fact that she was shot like this for what?

00:21:27.720 Almost hitting this agent?

00:21:29.280 I mean, the fact that guns were used and she was shot and killed in this way, to me, is the most horrifying part.

00:21:35.120 Why does an ICE agent have a gun?

00:21:38.080 Oh, my God. 1.00

00:21:40.600 Another idiot. 1.00

00:21:42.680 Her name is Rena Shaw. 1.00

00:21:44.780 I don't know what her background is. 0.99

00:21:46.420 But once again, too dumb, even for MSNOW. 1.00

00:21:50.400 Maybe MSNOW yesterday. 0.99

00:21:52.600 But MSNOW really needs to up its game, given their ratings over there.

00:21:56.720 And I'm here to tell you, Rena Shaw, pro tip, is not the answer to your problems.

00:22:01.400 Why does an ICE agent have a gun?

00:22:04.340 You've got to be kidding me.

00:22:06.160 They're law enforcement, madam. 0.98

00:22:08.220 They are federalized law enforcement officers who are arresting murderers and child molesters,

00:22:15.760 murderers who are under increasing threat to their own lives every single day,

00:22:21.620 thanks to your side of the aisle, telling people that they're murderers,

00:22:27.060 telling people that they're kidnapping people off the street, which is a lie.

00:22:31.280 They are making lawful arrests, and all of the people arrested will have their chance to contest the arrest in a court of law.

00:22:39.620 That's what's happening.

00:22:40.440 This is getting out of control.

00:22:44.740 All right, now, back to the scene.

00:22:47.700 This was not the only new video that we just showed you from Alpha News,

00:22:52.160 from the officer's iPhone camera, of Renee Good's actions the day of the fatal shooting.

00:22:58.740 Now, this next video has really got the left spinning.

00:23:00.780 It was obtained by Town Hall, and it shows Renee Good laying on the horn and blocking traffic. 1.00

00:23:09.260 She appears at the beginning of this video to be dancing in her driver's seat.

00:23:14.480 She's enjoying it and blocking traffic for over three minutes in that perpendicular position 1.00

00:23:19.960 before these ICE officers even show up at the scene to confront her. 0.87

00:23:25.820 She's having a great time. 1.00

00:23:27.540 She's the smiley, antagonistic, middle finger, fuck off, ICE, and all, anybody trying to arrest these illegals, social justice warrior. 1.00

00:23:38.720 And we told you on Friday she had been trained at her son's woke school, reports the New York Post, to do this. 1.00

00:23:45.780 Like a lot of training, training on how to take down an officer, how to have a physical confrontation with an officer.

00:23:51.920 And the thing with the cars is their go-to bread-and-butter trick in trying to stop ICE arrests.

00:24:00.920 Renee was trained, and that training cost her her life. 0.98

00:24:05.100 Look what she was doing. 1.00

00:24:05.960 That's our car, the maroon one.

00:24:19.580 Facing the wrong way on the road.

00:24:22.280 All the others are honking.

00:24:23.980 It's a means of harassing ICE.

00:24:25.600 Now the confrontation's happening.

00:24:54.760 At the back of the car, the officer who's filming is moving toward the front of the car.

00:25:00.900 ICE is moving over to the driver's side.

00:25:05.700 And then it comes out.

00:25:07.320 The rest, yeah, the rest you've seen.

00:25:11.820 It is amazing, notwithstanding all this tape.

00:25:14.400 I mean, honestly, like I realize, who was it?

00:25:19.500 Dave Ehrenberg said that the tape is like a Rorschach test, I guess, that reveals either your conservative or your left-wing bona fides, and you see what you want to see.

00:25:30.120 I genuinely, genuinely have tried to check that.

00:25:35.540 And that's why I say she accelerated the car into him.

00:25:40.360 Now that's true.

00:25:41.540 That's just true.

00:25:42.940 We don't have to put a motive on it.

00:25:45.080 You don't have to say she tried to run him over, though.

00:25:47.500 That's a strong case.

00:25:50.860 You can make a strong case for it.

00:25:52.860 You don't have to say she was trying to do something else.

00:25:56.020 I mean, I think it's clear she was trying to flee, at least.

00:25:58.460 That's the bare minimum of what she was trying to do, because she had her foot on the accelerator, and she was accelerating when she hit him.

00:26:05.020 Or when she ran into him, however you want to put it.

00:26:07.500 The left is even disputing that he was hit.

00:26:09.360 Well, it's strange, because when you see his body camera, he yells, whoa, he sounds scared, he fires a shot, he drops his phone, and you can see contact, what appears to be contact between the vehicle and his body.

00:26:21.000 So, I mean, all of the evidence, I don't know how you'd prove that he was hit.

00:26:25.580 Other than that, even the wide shots show she at least clipped him.

00:26:29.920 I'm not saying Trump said she ran him over.

00:26:32.720 That's too strong.

00:26:33.780 But she at least clipped him. 1.00

00:26:35.640 There's no disputing that.

00:26:38.760 But you still have leftists who are refusing to acknowledge the basic facts.

00:26:45.840 The basic facts, you know, I told you guys about NPR on Friday and how incredible it was and how inaccurate it was.

00:26:55.700 Let me just pull one SOT from that, okay?

00:26:57.260 I'm just going to pull, let's go with SOT 43.

00:26:59.440 This is from NPR's Up First podcast on Friday morning.

00:27:02.800 SOT 43.

00:27:04.840 Caitlin Callinson was there and videotaped the shooting.

00:27:08.440 She says Good was in her car and received multiple conflicting instructions from officers.

00:27:14.180 Oh, did she?

00:27:14.640 She was told to get out of her car and she was also told to get out of the road.

00:27:18.860 She was told to drive away.

00:27:20.420 The ICE officer who ended up shooting her was in front of her vehicle.

00:27:24.820 And when she tried to get away because someone was pulling at her door,

00:27:28.460 the ICE agent who was in front of her shot through the windshield once and then twice through the side.

00:27:34.700 Okay, so that person has no idea what she's talking about.

00:27:37.400 And I did not hear a correction on NPR's Up First this morning at all.

00:27:42.480 There is no question that the law enforcement officers told her to get out of her car four times. 0.95

00:27:48.620 And her crazy ass left wing trained to antagonize ICE wife was the one who said, drive, baby, drive. 1.00

00:27:58.500 That wife got Renee Good killed. 1.00

00:28:02.660 That's the truth.

00:28:04.080 It was more the fault of the wife than it was of the cop. 0.55

00:28:09.660 She told her, as the car is surrounded by ICE agents now, at least three, two of whom are touching the car,

00:28:18.600 or one's touching with the arm in, one's right in front of it and is about to get run over, and one's approaching it.

00:28:23.180 Drive, baby, drive.

00:28:25.980 That's what happened.

00:28:26.800 But NPR would like to platform Meg Anderson, who says she was given conflicting directives by the cops.

00:28:35.020 No, she wasn't.

00:28:37.240 You, madam, are hashtag part of the problem. 1.00

00:28:40.300 By the way, I'll get to this in a bit, but we mentioned the Golden Globes.

00:28:45.080 NPR's Up First was one of the nominees. 0.94

00:28:48.320 Their little Layla Falden, who is the one who tries to sex talk you in the morning, like, 1.00

00:28:52.100 Hello, I'm Layla Falden. 0.53

00:28:54.920 Hey, it's NPR News.

00:28:57.660 Thank you for doing it.

00:28:59.400 She's so inappropriate. 1.00

00:29:02.000 She was like,

00:29:03.520 We were the only news show to be nominated.

00:29:07.660 Okay, that's a lie.

00:29:10.200 Many of us were in the mix,

00:29:12.200 but some of us who had the pride not to pay the thousands of dollars you had to to wind up in the final category

00:29:19.660 had enough pride to remove ourselves from consideration.

00:29:23.760 Layla.

00:29:25.240 And this is what will get you.

00:29:28.080 Nominated by Hollywood as a finalist in the best podcast category for news.

00:29:34.240 You just have to put on Meg Anderson saying, 0.98

00:29:37.340 Poor Renee Good was given conflicting instructions. 1.00

00:29:41.140 And gee, who among us would know what to do?

00:29:44.500 It's infuriating.

00:29:46.260 Okay, more on the Globes later.

00:29:47.540 Despite all these new videos,

00:29:50.580 the Minneapolis mayor, Jacob Fry, 0.99

00:29:53.280 what a cretin he is, 0.97

00:29:55.280 continued with the narrative that Renee Good played no role, 0.99

00:30:01.060 none,

00:30:01.860 in what happened to her.

00:30:06.040 The ICE agent was not run over, as Trump stated.

00:30:11.060 You had a person that was definitively trying to just get out of there.

00:30:16.540 They were trying to leave definitively.

00:30:19.760 That is not a person that's trying to run an ICE agent over.

00:30:23.600 You have a person that is trying to protect our city, to look out for our neighbors.

00:30:28.400 When there is debate about baseline facts, like, for instance, did the ICE agent get run over?

00:30:35.360 Guys, the answer is no.

00:30:37.040 It didn't happen.

00:30:37.800 Okay, so there you have somebody being totally irresponsible with the facts.

00:30:43.140 He knows Jacob Fry, in addition to his other litany of talents, the woke performances at the side of George Floyd's casket, on his knees with the mask, his open struggle sessions with the far left progressives in his city after George Floyd, self-flagellating all of the BS.

00:31:04.880 I copped to this, I copped to this, and I copped to that, that the leftist woke progressives have to do to be accepted by their crowd.

00:31:10.740 And now, in a mad dash to cover up for the fraud that is rampant in his city that's now being unearthed by the Trump administration and independent journalists,

00:31:19.220 he's on a mission to sound like he is, he's, he's the Avenger.

00:31:26.080 He's the one who's going to stand up for all the poor, innocent victims that the big, bad ICE is randomly shooting for no reason whatsoever.

00:31:34.960 Okay, good luck with that.

00:31:36.300 But he's not alone.

00:31:37.500 Dan Goldman, who I'm embarrassed to say I ever platformed while I was on NBC.

00:31:43.440 He was like a commentator at NBC News when I was there for my very brief stint.

00:31:47.480 And we, they used to give him to me for like our morning news round table.

00:31:51.800 I'm telling you, he wasn't this crazy then.

00:31:54.220 Like back then, before he was a congressman, he was just a lawyer.

00:31:58.440 I believe he was a former federal prosecutor.

00:32:00.080 He was kind of normal.

00:32:01.700 He was more left.

00:32:03.080 But I like that.

00:32:03.960 As you know, I like to have a variety of viewpoints on the show.

00:32:06.640 I had no problem with that.

00:32:08.440 This would be as if Dave Ehrenberg went as crazy as Dan Goldman.

00:32:13.340 Like I like Dan.

00:32:14.200 He was kind of normal.

00:32:15.120 And now he's gone so far freakishly left, I don't recognize him anymore.

00:32:20.080 This will never happen to Dave Ehrenberg.

00:32:22.020 He's left and he's normal and he's awesome.

00:32:25.220 And that, by the way, we should be reminded every day that is totally possible.

00:32:30.640 I thank God for my liberal friends.

00:32:33.260 I really do because they remind me that not everybody is like these lunatics.

00:32:37.580 They're beautiful, lovely people who, I've got to be honest, except for my one friend,

00:32:43.860 they're not woke and they're sane and they're not that into politics anyway. 0.99

00:32:48.140 And they're not even thinking about this crap. 0.99

00:32:49.600 They like vote Democrat. 1.00

00:32:51.080 Most of them are pro-choice.

00:32:52.540 They like the environment and they want low taxes, you know, for like working class and

00:32:59.460 middle class people.

00:33:00.180 That's generally kind of how they, why they're Democrats.

00:33:03.140 And my point is simply, there are normal Democrats.

00:33:05.840 We should not forget that because the country does, does need to remember that.

00:33:10.160 Not everybody's bad on the other side.

00:33:12.640 But Dan Goldman, I'm sorry, you're bad. 0.65

00:33:14.800 You kind of are, you're pretty bad.

00:33:17.920 You are not a gold man.

00:33:19.540 I'm not sure what, what we should be calling Dan Goldman, but it certainly rhymes with the

00:33:25.660 fryer starts with an L.

00:33:27.860 Take a listen here in spot one.

00:33:31.040 As you said, and as we've seen from these videos and we can go through all the different

00:33:35.360 reasons, uh, it was very clear that she was following the orders of the ICE agent to

00:33:42.560 leave. 0.99

00:33:43.280 That's butted, obviously with some of the cops telling her, get out of the car, get out 0.56

00:33:52.920 of the car.

00:33:53.980 Um, it's, it's dangerous what they're doing and not just those videos.

00:34:02.200 Okay.

00:34:02.480 There's more to get to here.

00:34:04.840 Uh, over the weekend, social media was flooded with leftist white women. 1.00

00:34:12.220 This is a Karen intifada.

00:34:14.880 It is.

00:34:15.860 Saw that online.

00:34:16.680 So right.

00:34:17.480 It's a Karen intifada.

00:34:19.540 Leftist white women. 1.00

00:34:22.000 I'm sorry. 0.98

00:34:23.100 I'm just going to put it on the line.

00:34:24.540 All of whom are unattractive. 0.86

00:34:26.080 Most of whom are overweight.

00:34:27.800 The vast majority of whom clearly have no jobs nor any sex in their lives.

00:34:33.100 Like, that just seems really clear.

00:34:35.680 Let's be honest.

00:34:36.840 Okay.

00:34:37.280 If you're getting some at home, you're not this angry all the time.

00:34:40.340 Like, don't we all kind of know that?

00:34:45.240 Um, they're pissed off.

00:34:48.520 They, they're, um, there's a reason you don't see slim fit, good looking women at these protests. 1.00

00:34:56.320 They're off living their beautiful lives.

00:34:59.760 Every single one of these women is like, they spent too much time with the Lay's potato chips and the little Debbies. 1.00

00:35:07.560 And not enough time getting some at home with some hot, loving dude.

00:35:13.320 Or a dude at all. 0.87

00:35:15.340 Not that you can have, you can have lovely lesbians. 1.00

00:35:18.020 I haven't seen any of them in Minneapolis.

00:35:20.160 Um, so that's part of what we're seeing here.

00:35:22.940 It's on the Karen intifada.

00:35:24.340 And these unhappy, empty-lived leftists are now vowing to take on law enforcement, pretending like they're both like a badass, cop-busting, you know, vigilante type.

00:35:42.060 And also, they're the victim because they're already the next Renee Good.

00:35:47.020 Here is one woman with her face painted with an ice badge over her mouth. 0.98

00:35:53.200 She cries and winces as she plays audio from Renee's, Renee Good's shooting.

00:35:59.080 Watch this.

00:35:59.460 She's just sitting there staring at us.

00:36:11.200 I can't unhear the sound of the car crashing after the gunshots.

00:36:16.160 Justice for Renee Good.

00:36:17.900 Okay.

00:36:18.980 I mean, the only real justice she's pushing for there is that she see herself on camera, that she become a little star, a little vigilante star.

00:36:27.960 Um, that's not even close to all we've got. 0.99

00:36:32.480 I mean, the crazy-ass women. 1.00

00:36:35.920 I mean, that could take us a while. 0.99

00:36:38.300 Um, hold on a second.

00:36:40.000 Where is that on my SOT sheet, Deb?

00:36:41.740 Because there's so many.

00:36:42.700 We got to go through it.

00:36:44.500 Um, let's see.

00:36:51.400 Man, there's a lot to look at.

00:36:52.800 Okay, let's start here with SOT 20.

00:36:54.260 You know what we're going to right now?

00:36:58.700 What?

00:36:59.040 We are going to what's called a vigil.

00:37:01.080 Do you know what a vigil is?

00:37:02.540 What?

00:37:03.360 So it's where you, like, hold candles, and you sing, and you pray, and you think about someone who died.

00:37:09.940 Oh, like the church?

00:37:11.660 Like church, kind of.

00:37:13.260 And yesterday, someone died.

00:37:15.640 Baba? 1.00

00:37:16.460 Not Baba.

00:37:17.160 I know your Baba died last year.

00:37:18.800 Yesterday, a woman named Renee Goode, she was killed by one of those ICE guys.

00:37:25.980 Remember how we talked about the ICE police officers?

00:37:28.420 Not the regular police, the ICE police.

00:37:31.100 Oh, the ICE police officers.

00:37:34.080 They killed this woman.

00:37:35.860 Why?

00:37:36.180 These ICE officers are just trying to take all of the immigrants.

00:37:41.420 Remember we talked about that?

00:37:42.560 Like the people Daddy helps?

00:37:44.360 What are immigrants?

00:37:46.000 I don't know.

00:37:47.440 So they're the people that come from other countries, and then they live here. 0.99

00:37:50.500 And a lot of times they have different accents, or they speak other languages, right?

00:37:54.300 Like hearing?

00:37:55.560 Yeah.

00:37:56.280 Or they have different skin color, right?

00:37:58.420 Maybe they have darker skin.

00:37:59.560 Some do, some don't.

00:38:00.480 Are they up in the sky?

00:38:03.480 The person who died is up in the sky.

00:38:07.160 Yeah.

00:38:08.540 And does it matter where anyone comes from?

00:38:11.000 Are we better than them because we come from America? 0.98

00:38:13.780 No.

00:38:14.320 No.

00:38:15.120 Nobody's better than anybody else.

00:38:16.360 Who puts this on camera?

00:38:16.900 It doesn't matter what they look like.

00:38:18.520 It doesn't matter how they talk.

00:38:20.700 Right?

00:38:20.920 And so...

00:38:21.260 They only put the way to go.

00:38:23.240 Yes.

00:38:23.840 And so, do you remember Trump?

00:38:25.420 ICE works for Trump.

00:38:27.060 And he wants all the immigrants to go away. 0.95

00:38:29.760 Especially the ones with darker skin. 0.95

00:38:31.360 Is that the right thing to do?

00:38:33.480 All of them.

00:38:34.120 No.

00:38:34.780 So then, there was a lady. 1.00

00:38:36.180 She wasn't an immigrant.

00:38:37.760 She was just a citizen.

00:38:39.460 They weren't being respectful.

00:38:40.860 Yeah.

00:38:41.080 She was coming to help.

00:38:42.360 And those ICE officers shot her.

00:38:44.660 Oh my God.

00:38:44.840 Do you think that was the right thing for them to do?

00:38:46.740 No.

00:38:47.660 No.

00:38:48.120 So, it makes Mommy and Daddy very upset that this happened.

00:38:51.780 But we want to make sure that America is a great country.

00:38:55.420 You want to live in a great country that has peace?

00:38:57.740 Where people are respectful to each other and kind and loving?

00:39:01.020 When Trump's not the president anymore, maybe things will be better.

00:39:08.620 But right now, he's still the president for a few more years.

00:39:11.280 He's not doing what presidents are supposed to.

00:39:13.680 So, you know what you do when presidents aren't doing what they're supposed to do?

00:39:17.380 What?

00:39:17.880 You go to vigils.

00:39:19.300 Like what we're going to, where we hold the candles.

00:39:21.040 And you go to protest.

00:39:21.920 Remember when we went to the protest?

00:39:23.840 That's how we show that we're not happy with what America is doing.

00:39:26.820 I can't wait till you get to how you're supposed to behave at the protest.

00:39:30.040 Really looking forward to that discussion.

00:39:31.940 That is child abuse.

00:39:34.300 Can you imagine psychologically manipulating your child like that with lies?

00:39:40.440 Like there were too many to list.

00:39:43.980 She was just trying to do something nice and a nice agent shot her. 1.00

00:39:48.320 They're the bad guys.

00:39:49.200 They're here for no reason. 0.96

00:39:50.780 Trump's a bad guy.

00:39:52.700 Like that, that's the kind of thing we're hearing reports now of some children showing up in daycare and school talking about how they're having nightmares about this. 0.99

00:40:00.480 It's because of their psycho parents. 0.50

00:40:02.640 Truly, the psycho parents are the ones who are causing that. 0.93

00:40:07.200 And speaking of psycho, here's another one, another lady who decided to offer a little warning to ICE and added the tune by Talking Heads' Psycho Killer. 1.00

00:40:21.540 Just for added effect, she's not the only one doing this kind of crazy ass, crazy ass threatening video. 0.99

00:40:26.720 Let's watch it. 0.99

00:40:29.200 Good afternoon. 1.00

00:40:30.680 Fuck Donald Trump. 1.00

00:40:32.320 Today I was at the range and it'll do your heart good to know there was a lot of women there. 1.00

00:40:37.200 I was there, not with my, but with the little one that I carry with me all the time.

00:40:41.280 And I'm going to show you up here a little picture of what I was aiming at today. 0.99

00:40:44.820 You motherfucking magafucks, you might think that we're out here just sitting around wondering what's going to happen. 0.99

00:40:52.240 I am wondering about shit, I know what's going to happen. 1.00

00:40:58.120 Fuck you. 1.00

00:40:58.660 Okay, so for the listening audience, she's got bleached out, like two bleached out blonde hair, no makeup. 1.00

00:41:22.840 Sitting in her car, they're all sitting in their car, they're all very brave.

00:41:26.000 Sitting in her car, playing Talking Heads, clapping her hands.

00:41:30.300 Yeah, I love the Talking Heads and also threatening ICE.

00:41:33.720 Yeah, good times. 0.99

00:41:35.500 And saying that she's going to the shooting range, taking aim at this, and then showing a picture of a male crotch. 0.99

00:41:43.000 So very nice, very classy, sweetheart. 0.68

00:41:47.320 My money's on ICE, but I object to you endangering them to begin with.

00:41:51.880 There's more.

00:41:53.360 Here's Sot Zero.

00:41:54.900 This is a, man, there are some, quote, doing air quotes now, men out there participating in all of this.

00:42:01.740 And here's one of them. 0.84

00:42:03.600 Listen to this psycho. 1.00

00:42:05.060 Hey, so look, I'm just going to come out and say it. 0.96

00:42:09.620 Um, I don't really care about the consequences anymore.

00:42:11.980 I don't care. 1.00

00:42:12.960 We need to kill these people. 1.00

00:42:16.180 There's, there's just an alternative. 1.00

00:42:18.060 I don't care if you say, oh, I've got the crazy eyes, whatever.

00:42:20.020 Yeah, I do feel crazy. 1.00

00:42:21.500 They're Nazis. 0.99

00:42:22.280 Peyton said it best. 0.99

00:42:23.380 They're Nazis. 1.00

00:42:24.220 And the only way to stop this shit, let's be honest, is going to be to get violent. 1.00

00:42:28.440 We got to get violent, people. 1.00

00:42:30.340 And I'm tired of denying it. 0.98

00:42:31.620 And I'm tired of y'all being pussies about it. 1.00

00:42:33.840 Grow up. 0.99

00:42:36.060 We're not going to get through this holding hands.

00:42:39.900 Peaceful protest only works if your enemy has a moral obligation to listen to it.

00:42:45.480 They have none.

00:42:48.460 Okay.

00:42:49.420 So he goes by monkey D beans on his Instagram and he wants you to know he loves his cat.

00:42:59.100 Okay.

00:43:00.360 Thanks for that.

00:43:01.360 I think this guy might be in the process of transitioning.

00:43:03.840 Just taking a look at him.

00:43:05.140 He's got blue hair.

00:43:06.380 He's got pink hair.

00:43:07.780 It's weirdly long.

00:43:09.960 He's starting to look a little feminine. 0.53

00:43:12.620 I'm a little concerned about your convincing anybody monkey D beans, but I could be wrong. 1.00

00:43:17.700 You could just be an odd looking man. 0.99

00:43:19.080 But literally saying we need to kill these guys. 1.00

00:43:22.120 We quote, got to get violent. 0.99

00:43:25.620 Keep in mind, throughout all this, there's so many videos like this.

00:43:28.980 We only pulled like our favorites.

00:43:30.580 But throughout all this, we are being lectured to by this leftist mob that we on the right,

00:43:37.220 the team sanity are the violent ones, that we're the violent ones.

00:43:41.480 They, I heard, I think it was Thomas Chatterton Williams who has been on this program.

00:43:47.520 He's very much against the ICE officer, but he did this long post about how like people are downplaying or even laughing at violence.

00:43:57.880 There's a lack of humanity.

00:43:59.960 Like, yes, I agree with all of that.

00:44:02.560 And it's leftists doing that.

00:44:05.300 It's, do we have, have we already memory hold Charlie Kirk?

00:44:08.760 Have we totally forgotten what happened in the wake of his assassination?

00:44:13.240 Like the polls showing that some significant portion of leftists applauded it.

00:44:18.620 Luigi Mangione, do we, should we talk about that?

00:44:21.140 I mean, it's amazing because a law enforcement officer defended his physical safety and that of his fellow officers in a split second decision.

00:44:30.820 They're now saying that it's the right wing that's violent.

00:44:33.720 And again, I forgot to finish up this point, but they're also creating these impossible standards for people like this officer so that they can push that narrative because they can't have him be reasonable.

00:44:44.760 They cannot have him be reasonable.

00:44:46.580 That's why they don't like his video camera.

00:44:48.900 They're wondering why he held that iPhone.

00:44:51.120 That's why they, they won't acknowledge Renee Good's role in all of this.

00:44:57.460 And that's why you have these people talking about how, well, what his tire, her tire was pointed to the left at the time it impacted him.

00:45:05.260 And he was a little bit more to the right.

00:45:06.700 So clearly she was trying to go a different direction than the officer.

00:45:09.740 He was on the left.

00:45:10.980 He was on her front left headlight.

00:45:13.380 Okay, so like her turning left would have only rammed the remainder of the front grill into him, but whatever.

00:45:19.820 And here is that video of the Baltimore, this is a viewer warning because it's disturbing, of this Baltimore, Maryland officer who had a face-to-face confrontation with the driver of a car who she was trying to pursue.

00:45:33.360 She pursued him into a cul-de-sac, he got out of the car, she had her gun drawn, she was trying to make an arrest, and she believed he was complying with the commands.

00:45:43.740 And a second later, I mean, it took him a second to get back into that vehicle and ram her.

00:45:49.540 He was no farther away from her than this officer was from Renee Good.

00:45:57.400 That's my armchair assessment of the video.

00:46:00.140 And it took him a second to kill this young female police officer. 0.98

00:46:05.040 Watch.

00:46:06.880 As the jeep continued to advance, Officer Caprio got off one shot.

00:46:12.000 WJZ won't show the rest, but a somber jury saw and heard Amy Caprio dying from massive crushing injuries.

00:46:20.460 I'm sorry, forgive me.

00:46:21.800 I just want to show it one more time.

00:46:23.100 I'm not trying to be sensationalist for this poor fallen officer, Amy Caprio, God rest her.

00:46:28.240 I just want you to see when we turn it on for the listening audience, on the right hand of the screen, you see her cop car with the lights swirling.

00:46:35.780 And then right off to the left, you can kind of barely see his darker car kind of blends in a little.

00:46:41.100 But you can see the grill.

00:46:43.040 And I mean, maybe I'll just count the seconds from like stationary to she's dead.

00:46:48.820 It happens in an instant.

00:46:51.920 Watch.

00:46:54.000 As the jeep continued to advance, Officer Caprio got off one shot.

00:46:58.100 One, two.

00:46:59.020 WJZ won't show the rest, but a somber.

00:47:01.160 That's it.

00:47:01.720 So from the second that car started moving toward her was two seconds and she was dead.

00:47:07.540 These law enforcement officers don't have the luxury of sitting back in the MS Now studio after they've been primped by hair and makeup.

00:47:19.600 You, too, Hillary Clinton.

00:47:22.320 She's piling on this officer.

00:47:24.880 Guarantee you she's at her sprawling estate in Chappaqua, New York, with her maid and her staff.

00:47:31.880 And God knows who Bill Clinton's got in the closets. 1.00

00:47:34.380 Um, just passing judgment, just sitting there with her.

00:47:38.240 But she still has protective detail. 0.81

00:47:39.760 She doesn't have to worry about her life being on the line.

00:47:42.460 She's good.

00:47:43.860 Right.

00:47:44.600 As opposed to this female officer in Baltimore and officers like this ICE agent who really do have to worry about dying every day on the job. 1.00

00:47:55.480 Here's another insane man in Sot Zero B.

00:47:58.900 This one's disturbing.

00:47:59.780 Dear ICE, here's a message from your friendly neighborhood leftist.

00:48:07.400 Not all of us are going to stop at snowballs in the future.

00:48:11.500 So maybe think twice before you just start randomly shooting into vehicles. 0.94

00:48:18.440 And some of us aren't just going to fucking randomly fire into things. 0.91

00:48:23.720 Some of us actually know how to aim. 0.83

00:48:27.100 So, you don't have to take my advice.

00:48:29.440 If you don't want to.

00:48:31.040 Um, but I'm pretty sure we're going to hit a tipping point pretty soon.

00:48:35.180 And if you guys don't reconsider your tactics, you're going to start going home in body bags or Ziploc bags. 0.99

00:48:41.100 I really don't give a shit either way. 0.99

00:48:42.500 We need to send the FBI to go speak with this gentleman because you speak like that and you show yourself with, I don't know guns, but it looked like an AR at the shooting range, shooting targets. 0.99

00:48:57.580 And with rhetoric like that, you deserve a visit from the FBI.

00:49:00.900 This is too serious. 0.97

00:49:03.100 We're an ICE agent is going to get killed. 0.98

00:49:06.420 He or she is going to get killed.

00:49:08.580 Thanks to the atmosphere, all of these people, Democrat politicians and left wing loons like that man are creating. 0.88

00:49:17.160 They're doing their job.

00:49:19.560 That's all they're doing.

00:49:20.920 They have children.

00:49:22.040 They have wives and husbands.

00:49:24.040 They have moms and dads.

00:49:25.420 They don't deserve to be threatened to within an inch of their lives just for doing their job.

00:49:30.220 This man did not show up on the job wanting to shoot Renee Good.

00:49:32.960 He wound up that day out on the beat trying to do good, trying to arrest child molesters and other disgusting, violent criminals hurting the children and innocents of Minneapolis.

00:49:45.820 That's what they're trying to do.

00:49:47.940 And now guys like this and women like these loons are trying to endanger them so that their wives will be widows or husbands will be widowers. 0.62

00:49:56.000 It's irresponsible and Tom Homan is 100% right to try to dial it back.

00:50:03.540 He's begging for people to dial back the rhetoric.

00:50:06.980 I'll play you that soundbite and show you some more about what's going on when we come right back.

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00:51:52.700 Before I get to Tom Holman, I just wanted to show you a little bit more of these leftist loons, like the ones who really made our radar.

00:51:59.020 Here is Sot 23.

00:52:01.460 It's quick.

00:52:02.000 Take a listen. 0.99

00:52:02.460 And just so we're clear, if a masked man reaches in my vehicle or stands in front of it to block it, I'm hitting the fucking gas. 1.00

00:52:13.600 I'm hitting the fucking gas. 1.00

00:52:16.800 Okay. 1.00

00:52:18.100 Why don't you see how that's going to work out?

00:52:20.380 It's probably going to work out for you the way it worked out for your friend Renee.

00:52:23.640 And that's not so good.

00:52:25.360 Do you have a family that you'd like to protect or anyone who cares about you?

00:52:30.440 Unclear, actually.

00:52:31.300 But either way, you probably shouldn't do that.

00:52:33.340 You're playing with fire, madam.

00:52:34.960 Here's Sot 24.

00:52:37.060 And this is an example.

00:52:38.880 I know.

00:52:39.540 Forgive me for playing this.

00:52:41.500 But if our ICE agents have to deal with it, so must we.

00:52:45.120 Just to understand what it is they're having to put up with, this is happening all over Minneapolis.

00:52:52.180 Sot 24. 0.99

00:52:52.720 And you get, and you take down the blacks, and you get fucking on video. 1.00

00:53:01.720 That's false. 1.00

00:53:02.440 Oh.

00:53:03.180 This is Portland, actually.

00:53:04.860 No.

00:53:05.480 Okay.

00:53:06.760 Look at me.

00:53:08.180 What training have you had regarding mania?

00:53:10.800 And you're good on your medication, then?

00:53:12.800 Are you condescending and talking down to me now?

00:53:15.820 I'm not, I'm actually asking the question.

00:53:17.920 Oh, really?

00:53:18.720 Are you on a new medication at all?

00:53:20.560 No.

00:53:21.120 Okay.

00:53:21.820 I'm not.

00:53:22.440 Okay.

00:53:22.900 Is there anything that's true?

00:53:23.480 Who are you, Hastings?

00:53:25.040 I'm an officer with Portland Police.

00:53:26.360 I'm an ECIT officer.

00:53:27.420 Oh, really?

00:53:27.960 And you're really an expert on mental illness, aren't you?

00:53:32.200 Well, I mean, I'm not a psychiatrist or psychologist.

00:53:34.300 No, you're not.

00:53:35.400 Okay. 1.00

00:53:35.800 And I'm the fucking smartest person you have ever fucking met. 0.99

00:53:38.980 Okay. 1.00

00:53:39.280 So get the fuck down off of my ass. 1.00

00:53:42.500 Did you go to college, Hastings? 1.00

00:53:44.000 He's literally just standing there.

00:53:44.940 You did?

00:53:45.320 What'd you study?

00:53:46.440 Social sciences.

00:53:47.380 Oh, social sciences.

00:53:48.420 That's great.

00:53:49.480 Oh, minor.

00:53:50.960 You should know a little bit about it then, right?

00:53:53.880 And, Jamie, every time we just try to have a normal conversation with you, it just goes right to insults.

00:53:58.920 Is that against the law?

00:54:00.100 Is it against the law to insult a man in blue?

00:54:04.360 It's not a normal conversation? 0.99

00:54:06.740 You guys get called shit all the time. 0.99

00:54:09.120 Why we're concerned? 1.00

00:54:10.200 And you take down the blacks and you get fucking on video. 1.00

00:54:14.300 Take down the blacks? 1.00

00:54:15.740 Which blacks? 1.00

00:54:18.180 Jamie.

00:54:22.700 Have a good day, Jamie. 1.00

00:54:24.860 I want him arrested for physical assault, you fuck face. 1.00

00:54:30.920 Jamie. 1.00

00:54:32.600 I'm sure there are plenty of facilities that could help you.

00:54:36.260 Like, look, it's probably a 1-800 number.

00:54:39.060 Just get some help.

00:54:40.340 Get the help suit you so desperately need.

00:54:42.920 The screaming?

00:54:45.520 Somebody posted this online and said, how does this happen?

00:54:48.400 Like, how do you wind up like this?

00:54:49.820 And I said, bad parenting?

00:54:52.040 Might have been this video.

00:54:52.960 Might have been another one.

00:54:53.600 But, like, yes, right?

00:54:54.820 Like, we learn to control our tempers and we learn to be respectful of law enforcement when they're on the job. 1.00

00:55:01.480 She's like, you're up my ass. 1.00

00:55:02.680 Literally, the guy is standing there with a leg crossed over the other leg and his thumb hooked on his back pocket. 1.00

00:55:09.660 Like, he could not look any more casual.

00:55:11.620 By the way, these are all Portland cops.

00:55:14.380 They don't bus in the Portland cops just to work as a Portland cop from, you know, all from Mississippi.

00:55:23.220 The odds are this guy's from Portland, just like the officer involved in the Renee Good case was from Minneapolis.

00:55:28.000 Like, he's probably not actually a far right guy.

00:55:30.700 He's probably a leftist.

00:55:32.180 Probably center left, I'm going to guess.

00:55:34.440 She's treating him like he's Hitler.

00:55:36.360 I see a new video come out about that lady who got shot by the ICE officers. 0.91

00:55:52.720 And I find it ridiculous that people are defending them, saying that she was crazy for hitting them,

00:55:58.060 when they're not even real officers, first of all.

00:56:01.740 And they are a federally income, like, they're being paid by the government to go do this.

00:56:14.060 That's true.

00:56:14.800 It's terrorism, first of all.

00:56:16.640 That's not.

00:56:17.420 And also, didn't Donald Trump say he was going to deport all the terrorists?

00:56:21.040 Why don't you deport ICE? 0.74

00:56:23.220 That's so clever.

00:56:23.760 I don't understand.

00:56:25.600 Justice to that lady, because she didn't deserve it. 1.00

00:56:28.200 She was, you know, using her rights to drive away. 1.00

00:56:32.600 You know, using her rights, you know. 1.00

00:56:34.920 I mean, look, on the bright side, our adversaries are really not the sharpest crew.

00:56:39.300 I mean, this is good.

00:56:39.960 This is actually good news, in a way.

00:56:41.560 Like, have you seen anybody who had to run off to their Mensa meeting after they issued their threatening video?

00:56:46.600 I don't think so.

00:56:48.260 I do not think so.

00:56:51.220 I'm feeling good about where we are in the battle of the wits.

00:56:55.140 But it only takes one twit to load a gun and try to do real harm to an officer or someone who supports them.

00:57:03.780 And, you know, I showed you the threatening videos before.

00:57:06.560 That's where we're heading.

00:57:07.820 That is why Tom Homan said this to Dr. Phil.

00:57:11.460 I think it was Phil.

00:57:12.400 Or was this his other interview?

00:57:13.320 We've got to stop the hateful Reddit.

00:57:17.700 Saying this officer is a murderer is dangerous. 1.00

00:57:21.440 It's just ridiculous. 0.97

00:57:22.500 It's just going to infuriate people more, which means there's going to be more incidents like this, 0.96

00:57:28.780 because the hateful Reddit is not only continuing, now it's tripled down and doubled down.

00:57:33.320 I'm asking you to respond to the protesters who say they feel less safe, who say they're concerned for their neighbors. 0.98

00:57:39.660 Because you're looking at media reports and saying ISIS are terrorists, they're racist, they're the Nazis.

00:57:45.060 They're listening to people saying that, you know, using the term disappearing people.

00:57:49.720 It's because of the rhetoric, the hateful Reddit.

00:57:52.280 So that small population out there that's already half nuts, they hear this rhetoric that ISIS is racist and the Nazis and they're disappearing people. 1.00

00:58:02.360 That empowers them to do stupid things. 1.00

00:58:05.440 Right on. 1.00

00:58:06.400 And not just that, but talk of civil war.

00:58:09.780 Here's Sot 27.

00:58:13.920 It's civil war time. 1.00

00:58:15.520 I hope you guys fucking Democrats need to fucking stand up and start fucking fighting. 1.00

00:58:19.460 You better fucking get ready to fight or you're about to lose your fucking country. 1.00

00:58:23.880 Do you guys realize that? 1.00

00:58:25.660 Are you listening to what fucking J.D. Vance is saying right now? 0.99

00:58:29.040 Are you listening? 0.99

00:58:30.640 I implore you to go watch the fucking press briefing that J.D. Vance and fucking K.K. Caroline are fucking doing right now for the White House. 1.00

00:58:41.960 I implore you to go fucking watch that shit and then start doing something. 1.00

00:58:49.460 We are literally about to lose our fucking country. 1.00

00:58:52.200 Do you guys understand this? 1.00

00:58:53.720 Do you guys understand this? 0.99

00:58:55.160 It is not something for you to just turn to fucking blind eye. 0.99

00:59:00.540 This is not a time for you to fucking hand in the ground and do nothing. 0.98

00:59:07.400 There are two scenarios here, okay? 0.99

00:59:10.580 You've got two scenarios. 1.00

00:59:12.040 You're either about to lose all your fucking rights. 1.00

00:59:14.700 You're going to lose all your rights. 1.00

00:59:15.860 This country is about to turn into a fucking dictatorship. 1.00

00:59:18.480 And all the women are about to lose all their fucking rights. 1.00

00:59:21.640 I need you to wake the fuck up to that shit. 1.00

00:59:24.120 You don't do anything. 1.00

00:59:25.380 You do nothing.

00:59:26.920 That's what happens.

00:59:28.560 It is time.

00:59:30.280 The index finger.

00:59:30.860 It is civil war time. 0.98

00:59:32.980 You guys need to wake the fuck up. 1.00

00:59:34.500 Stop being little fucking bitches and start fighting the fuck back. 1.00

00:59:38.440 It is time to fight. 1.00

00:59:41.840 Maybe it'll help if you yell at us.

00:59:44.040 Do we feel like that could get it done, sister?

00:59:47.440 I don't know.

00:59:48.340 I'm pretty happy.

00:59:49.560 My life's pretty great.

00:59:51.020 I have a loving family.

00:59:52.560 I have a lovely team I work with every day.

00:59:55.020 I enjoy doing the show and a nice audience.

00:59:57.260 I'm feeling pretty good.

00:59:59.680 I don't know.

01:00:00.340 I have a lot of working and middle class people in my family.

01:00:04.200 They would like prices to come down.

01:00:06.060 We should work on that.

01:00:07.780 I don't think they're really feeling civil war-y.

01:00:11.380 So maybe you got to up your diazepam.

01:00:16.520 I think that might be in your future, my friend.

01:00:21.300 There's another one here.

01:00:23.520 28.

01:00:24.620 Very angry group. 0.92

01:00:27.640 And, like, I'm just fucking curious. 0.97

01:00:29.920 Are we great yet? 0.98

01:00:31.820 Are we fucking great yet? 0.99

01:00:34.120 Are we a great country? 0.99

01:00:35.700 Is this one? 0.99

01:00:36.340 It's fucking great. 0.98

01:00:38.020 We are. 0.99

01:00:38.780 Yes. 1.00

01:00:39.440 Americans working their fucking ass off 50, 60 fucking hours a week to have nothing to show to it. 1.00

01:00:45.840 Nothing? 1.00

01:00:46.260 Are we fucking great? 1.00

01:00:48.000 Is America great where ICE agents are shooting citizens in the fucking street and the government's saying it's self-defense? 1.00

01:00:55.360 Are we fucking great yet? 0.99

01:00:57.640 I'm sorry, but these hysterics are amusing. 0.98

01:01:05.700 Like, these people, I have a lot.

01:01:07.100 Okay.

01:01:08.500 Intifada Karen needs to be arrested.

01:01:11.340 Antifa.

01:01:12.200 Antifa Karen.

01:01:13.160 She needs to be arrested. 1.00

01:01:14.740 Like, she's definitely going to get herself arrested. 0.96

01:01:17.060 You don't get arrested for being a loon.

01:01:18.260 But if she acts on any of that weird anger toward our ICE officers, yeah, that's what's going to happen.

01:01:24.220 And now here's this woman. 1.00

01:01:25.320 Okay.

01:01:26.480 Here's this woman's wish.

01:01:28.220 Because all these people think it's MAGA.

01:01:29.720 Okay.

01:01:29.940 So it's, and let's face it, most of MAGA is supportive of this.

01:01:32.760 I am.

01:01:33.200 I don't consider myself MAGA.

01:01:34.340 I think I'm MAGA adjacent.

01:01:36.640 I'm a reporter.

01:01:37.580 You know, I'm a journalist.

01:01:38.280 I have to keep some arm's length there.

01:01:40.240 But they're blaming MAGA.

01:01:43.120 This is all MAGA's fault.

01:01:44.860 This is all Joe Biden's fault.

01:01:47.340 All of it.

01:01:49.160 There's not an arrest being made that doesn't start with Joe Biden.

01:01:54.360 Tom Homan and Kristi Noem have these guys out there trying to clean up Joe Biden's mess.

01:02:02.340 His 10 to 12 to 20 million illegals he opened the southern border with and let in. 0.99

01:02:09.920 And they're raping children. 1.00

01:02:11.960 They're raping women. 1.00

01:02:13.820 They're murdering mothers of five. 1.00

01:02:16.380 So yeah, they're going to get arrested. 0.98

01:02:19.040 And everyone who gets arrested makes us a little greater lunatic lady.

01:02:25.160 Take a listen to Stop 30. 0.99

01:02:29.120 Don't ever fucking come at me about forgiving MAGA ever again. 0.99

01:02:34.620 I will not forgive. 0.99

01:02:37.800 I don't know if this is a woman or a man.

01:02:39.760 I will never forget.

01:02:41.960 Okay.

01:02:43.120 Ever. 0.99

01:02:44.800 And your protest votes are just as fucking bad. 0.99

01:02:49.620 Sounds scary or maybe that'll help. 0.99

01:02:51.980 Let's see.

01:02:52.360 ...be reformed and brought back in when this is over can be.

01:02:55.520 But that does not mean forgiveness.

01:02:57.720 Oh, no.

01:02:58.460 There is no forgiveness after this.

01:03:01.360 And those of you who are still clinging, 0.98

01:03:04.360 I wish ego death upon every... 1.00

01:03:09.360 Ego death. 1.00

01:03:10.620 Ego death.

01:03:11.920 What's ego death?

01:03:13.380 I don't...

01:03:14.020 I'm not sure.

01:03:14.660 What does that mean?

01:03:15.780 Like you...

01:03:16.480 You look at this scheme out and you think,

01:03:20.860 I can't do it.

01:03:22.780 What is ego death?

01:03:23.900 I'm not sure what that means,

01:03:24.860 but I think it's already happened to that person.

01:03:27.240 Here's just an example of who they've arrested in Minnesota ICE.

01:03:31.600 Bill Malugian of Fox News got this and broke it in an exclusive.

01:03:35.420 The most egregious criminal aliens that they've arrested

01:03:37.340 during their surge in the sanctuary state of Minnesota.

01:03:41.700 ICE says all of these criminals were roaming freely in Minnesota prior to arrest

01:03:46.080 and that these are the type of people that politicians and activists are referring to

01:03:50.000 as their neighbors as they attempt to interfere with ICE.

01:03:52.320 Once again, that is not a thing. 0.98

01:04:18.840 A child cannot be a prostitute. 0.98

01:04:21.100 That's called rape. 1.00

01:04:22.920 With a deportation order since 2006.

01:04:26.540 Chong Vu, a Loatian illegal. 0.96

01:04:29.140 They're big on the Loatians in Minneapolis. 0.97

01:04:31.440 Convicted of the strong arm rape of a 12-year-old girl

01:04:34.500 and kidnapping a child with intent to sexually assault her with a deportation order since 2004.

01:04:39.460 Ji Yang, Loatian.

01:04:40.940 What's going on with the Loatians?

01:04:42.360 Convicted of strong arm rape, aggravated assault with a weapon,

01:04:46.120 and strangulation with a deportation order since 2012.

01:04:49.560 Pao Chow Ziong, a Loatian illegal. 1.00

01:04:52.480 Convicted of rape and child fondling with a deportation.

01:04:54.400 I mean, I'm sorry, but next time I see a Loatian, I'm running. 1.00

01:04:56.740 I'm like, if I'm in Minneapolis, I'm out of there.

01:04:59.600 Small chat at like the kiosk and where are you from?

01:05:02.260 Loatia?

01:05:02.840 Bye!

01:05:04.660 Just kidding.

01:05:05.300 I'm sure there's a lot of lovely people.

01:05:06.460 Um, so that's who they're trying to clean the city of as they get called Nazis, fascists,

01:05:13.060 and have death threats put on them every day.

01:05:17.040 It's also gotten violent.

01:05:18.840 There's an independent journalist named Nick Sorter.

01:05:21.500 Some of his reporting we've brought to you on the Megyn Kelly Show.

01:05:25.520 And God bless this guy.

01:05:27.740 Can I tell you, he's out there every night trying to document this stuff.

01:05:30.140 He reminds me of Andy Ngo, who put himself in the most violent, dangerous Antifa clashes

01:05:35.420 without a care for his own safety and was brutally attacked.

01:05:38.960 And now it's happening to Nick Sorter, who was there with another independent journalist,

01:05:43.200 Cam Higby, trying to cover this.

01:05:45.980 And just, just a thought, okay?

01:05:47.740 When CBS relaunched its evening news with the, with Topra, Topra Dogopoul, I call him

01:05:53.400 because he's always crying and trying to get all super soft and emotional.

01:05:57.200 Um, I sent out a tweet saying evening news is dead.

01:06:00.660 Like mainstream media is dead.

01:06:02.100 Like this is not going to succeed.

01:06:03.140 And there was a report, a reporter who used to work for the Washington Post.

01:06:07.860 He might still, I don't remember, uh, who tweeted something to the effect of, now look,

01:06:13.980 you know, she and all these other independent journalists will rely on the so-called dead

01:06:18.460 mainstream media for, for a week in this Minnesota story.

01:06:22.340 That's actually not right.

01:06:23.860 The only thing that people in the independent lane have been relying on the mainstream media

01:06:27.460 for this week has been laughs and to mock you for your incredibly biased coverage.

01:06:34.460 That, I mean, you're right.

01:06:36.380 I'd be sad if it went away because I would miss doing that, but I don't need you.

01:06:40.640 No one in the independent need lane needs you.

01:06:43.340 We do need the Nick Shirley's of the world.

01:06:45.780 We do need the Walter Kearns, guys like that, Chris Rufo and the Manhattan Institute City

01:06:52.620 Journal.

01:06:52.920 Those, those are three that come to mind, three or four who went out there and actually broke

01:06:55.940 the Minnesota fraud scandal.

01:06:57.660 That, that we need.

01:06:59.560 That, none of those is mainstream.

01:07:01.020 Um, and we need the Nick Sorters of the world who will go and report on the violence of

01:07:07.440 this group in a way the Minneapolis Star Tribune never will.

01:07:12.840 This was just posted, um, today.

01:07:16.360 Hold on.

01:07:17.060 You know, you take a screen, I take screen grabs of this stuff for you guys on my phone

01:07:20.000 and then I try to remember to bring it to you.

01:07:22.200 Alpha News, uh, posted this.

01:07:24.360 Liz Collin, who's great.

01:07:25.800 She's the one who did that documentary on George Floyd or Derek Chauvin that we brought

01:07:28.760 to you.

01:07:29.500 Pointing out the Star Tribune today.

01:07:30.780 This is what they're on.

01:07:32.600 A mobile electronic billboard calling for the arrest of ICE agent, and they say his

01:07:36.940 name, was parked Sunday evening across the street from where Ross killed Renee Good on

01:07:41.980 Portland Ave in Minneapolis.

01:07:43.240 And they show the billboard calling for him to be arrested and charged next to the other

01:07:49.780 side of the billboard that reads R.I.P.

01:07:52.520 Renee murdered by ICE.

01:07:55.120 This is what they consider responsible journalism.

01:07:57.660 I'm sorry, you're wrong. 0.94

01:07:58.940 We do not need the mainstream media for this crap, but we do need Nick Sorter and Nick Shirley 0.83

01:08:05.620 and others like them. 0.98

01:08:06.800 So Nick and along with Cam Higby are in the heart of these protests last night where the

01:08:12.560 cops are getting antagonized and in some instances actually attacked.

01:08:16.220 And that is what happened to Nick. 0.98

01:08:19.000 They ran into another guy, a shit stirrer who goes by Andrew Mercado, who threatened violence 0.97

01:08:27.080 against the two of them after stalking them in the town. 0.97

01:08:31.560 Here's a bit of it in SOT 10. 1.00

01:08:35.300 Fucking woman again, I am not getting up. 0.99

01:08:38.240 Approaching his feet, his jeep. 1.00

01:08:39.860 And I'm going to help you.

01:08:40.920 I don't know what. 0.98

01:08:41.540 I'll get the whole fucking staked on here. 0.99

01:08:43.360 God. 0.99

01:08:43.760 I swear to God I will.

01:08:44.820 Yeah, I'm going to try to come.

01:08:45.780 We're not playing. 0.99

01:08:46.120 Yeah, God, you two shut up, Cam. 0.98

01:08:49.140 You can come out and get some too, Cam. 0.98

01:08:51.240 Oh God. 0.98

01:08:51.800 Get the fuck out of here. 0.99

01:08:52.640 You can come get some too. 0.99

01:08:54.140 Touch Andrew, see what happens.

01:08:55.380 See what happens. 0.99

01:08:56.100 See what the fuck happens. 1.00

01:08:57.940 You two should just get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:08:59.480 That's what you need to do. 1.00

01:09:00.740 Get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:09:01.800 That's not your pussy inside of the fucking car. 1.00

01:09:03.920 Look at you, you're a fucking pussy. 1.00

01:09:05.480 Oh, bitch. 1.00

01:09:06.060 You know what? 1.00

01:09:06.720 Yeah, you know what?

01:09:07.580 That's what they do, bro. 0.92

01:09:08.460 They hit women, bro. 1.00

01:09:10.880 All right.

01:09:11.640 Okay, so they're demanding he get out of his car so they can hurt him.

01:09:14.760 Nick Sorter wisely declines that invitation.

01:09:18.960 And then the rioters surround his vehicle.

01:09:22.380 They get more and more antagonistic.

01:09:23.660 They actually start hanging on the front of his car, on the hood, and on the grill, and

01:09:30.700 the front bumper.

01:09:31.980 Here's a bit of it in Sot 11.

01:09:42.260 They're trapped inside.

01:09:44.180 They're wearing riot gear.

01:09:45.500 Nick is, at least, I think.

01:09:46.900 And all the guys outside are like a mob of animals.

01:09:58.580 Cute.

01:10:07.060 Get out of the way. 0.53

01:10:08.740 Get out of the way. 0.53

01:10:09.680 They're jumping in his hood.

01:10:13.600 Finally, he guns it, and he gets blocked by another protester's car.

01:10:22.440 He has to veer off the side.

01:10:24.800 He's off-roading it in order to get away.

01:10:28.320 He posted a follow-up video, Nick Sorter did, of the aftermath.

01:10:32.420 Listen to this, Sot 12.

01:10:34.880 So just so everybody knows here, so you have these frozen water bottles.

01:10:37.760 These are the two that you saw.

01:10:39.200 They threw through.

01:10:41.100 His back windshield is totally cracked open.

01:10:42.760 Right there.

01:10:43.140 Luckily, they were headrests in the way. 0.88

01:10:44.600 If these things...

01:10:46.280 Oh, yeah.

01:10:51.520 Actually, there might be fingerprints on that one.

01:10:53.520 Oh, yeah.

01:10:54.040 We need to bag that one up.

01:10:57.480 But anyway, yeah.

01:10:58.300 So these are frozen solid.

01:11:00.500 Still, hours later.

01:11:01.540 And if they were to have gone through, if I would not have driven away, they would have thrown them through, and they would have hit us straight in the head.

01:11:13.040 And we both may not be here to...

01:11:16.820 But we found these in the truck later.

01:11:19.600 After we drove away, we ran to the Egon police station.

01:11:25.180 Unbelievable.

01:11:25.580 I mean, no one can help them because it's so chaotic.

01:11:30.620 So they really are risking their lives to go into the middle of this crowd.

01:11:33.780 They're doing...

01:11:34.460 I'm sure, yes, of course, he's an independent journalist, so clicks are good.

01:11:37.020 But he's doing it for us.

01:11:39.380 He's doing it because he knows the Minneapolis Star Tribune will not do it.

01:11:44.980 Now, here's...

01:11:46.140 Is this Andrew Mercado himself, Deb?

01:11:48.600 Or is he talking in this?

01:11:50.400 I'm not sure what...

01:11:50.940 It's 12B.

01:11:52.020 We're going to actually learn it.

01:11:53.080 Okay.

01:11:53.180 Okay.

01:11:55.580 Okay.

01:11:57.080 Okay.

01:11:57.600 Here's Andrew's defense.

01:11:58.880 He claims that Nick Sorter, quote, hit a woman.

01:12:02.220 Let's watch 12B.

01:12:04.800 This is your final warning.

01:12:06.460 I don't want it.

01:12:11.640 I'll explain it in a second. 0.99

01:12:14.300 Hey, they love hitting women. 1.00

01:12:16.460 They love hitting women. 1.00

01:12:22.260 Okay, that's what the... 0.99

01:12:23.300 Oh, there he hits her again. 0.73

01:12:24.200 You just hit her again, brother.

01:12:25.580 You know, she hit him, and then he smacked her arm away. 1.00

01:12:30.320 Oh, shit! 1.00

01:12:31.400 Oh, shit! 1.00

01:12:34.080 Okay, so see, that's the rule for these leftists, is that a woman can go over to a man who's 1.00

01:12:39.600 not hurting anybody, who's just videotaping, and she can hit him. 0.98

01:12:43.100 She can slap him. 1.00

01:12:44.160 She can punch him in the belly. 1.00

01:12:45.200 She can slap him in the face. 1.00

01:12:46.220 And the man, he didn't punch her. 0.98

01:12:48.140 He makes it sound like he punched her in the stomach.

01:12:49.580 That would be bad.

01:12:51.080 He's hitting her arms away.

01:12:52.460 She's hitting him, and he's hitting her arm out of his face.

01:12:56.900 Okay, but you're not allowed to do that in Andrew Mercado's world.

01:13:00.120 In Andrew Mercado's world, what needs to happen is only Andrew can hurt you.

01:13:05.020 Well, now he realizes he's likely to be arrested for what he did to Nick's order.

01:13:09.100 He really should be arrested.

01:13:10.280 I genuinely hope he gets arrested.

01:13:12.940 It's not too late.

01:13:13.480 The whole thing is on camera. 0.99

01:13:14.740 And here he is trying to save his ass in SOT 13. 0.99

01:13:19.500 Well, yeah. 0.99

01:13:20.400 Is that it?

01:13:20.900 Is this his apology?

01:13:22.400 No, sorry.

01:13:22.920 His apology was written.

01:13:24.900 Here, I'll read it to you.

01:13:26.640 Now he's scared.

01:13:27.960 Now big, tough Andrew is scared.

01:13:31.160 He, uh, okay, writes the following.

01:13:33.600 I should not have lost my cool tonight, no matter how tough it gets.

01:13:39.420 I'm sleep-deprived.

01:13:40.960 Managing PTSD.

01:13:42.860 Okay.

01:13:43.940 Very little food and water.

01:13:45.640 That's because you froze it all from the look of it to hurt people.

01:13:49.020 Uh, because federal agents murdered one of my fellow Minnesotans.

01:13:52.400 That's false.

01:13:53.960 MAGA agitators are best dealt with by ignoring them.

01:13:57.160 Well, that's true.

01:13:57.980 You should have ignored Nick's order.

01:13:59.080 You would have been better off.

01:13:59.800 It's difficult for me, as a man, to watch the same few agitators go from city to city,

01:14:06.120 hitting women and instigating fights.

01:14:07.900 Oh, he was the instigator.

01:14:09.520 His mere presence, I would submit to the audience, was the instigation that Andrew was responding to.

01:14:16.380 I apologize for losing my cool tonight and coming across as a different person.

01:14:19.840 Tell it to the cops when they show up at your door, Andrew.

01:14:21.580 I believe you could soon be in custody and facing some serious problems with the criminal

01:14:27.000 and at least civil law for all of that.

01:14:28.760 All right, one more thing before we get to our legal panel and what happened with Timothy

01:14:33.440 Busfield.

01:14:34.940 Last night was the Golden Globes and it was so much nonsense.

01:14:40.700 Actors like Mark Ruffalo showed up wearing a Be Good pin.

01:14:45.900 That's an homage to Renee Good.

01:14:48.180 Here's top 14.

01:14:49.020 This is for her.

01:14:53.500 This is for the people in the United States who are terrorized and scared today.

01:14:57.740 I know I'm one of them.

01:14:59.080 I love this country and what I'm seeing here happening is not America.

01:15:04.780 God, he's the worst. 0.76

01:15:06.360 He's just so bad. 0.99

01:15:08.340 Then there's Wanda Sykes, female black comedian who got up there to present an award and made 0.65

01:15:15.360 it all about herself.

01:15:17.560 Listen here.

01:15:18.040 Stop 15.

01:15:18.560 Shout out to the Golden Globes for having me because you know there's some people pissed 0.99

01:15:26.060 off that a queer black woman is up here doing the job of two mediocre white guys. 1.00

01:15:30.500 It's so racist. 1.00

01:15:36.220 It's so racist.

01:15:38.000 Right?

01:15:38.560 Like you've got to, okay, so if they were white and they were guys, you've got to dismiss 0.99

01:15:41.820 them as mediocre. 1.00

01:15:42.680 Everybody sucks. 1.00

01:15:43.620 But I am the oppressed queer black woman doing it all. 1.00

01:15:48.160 Shout out for me. 0.81

01:15:49.260 Like begging them to applaud for her. 1.00

01:15:51.740 You're pathetic, Wanda Sykes. 1.00

01:15:53.600 Do better. 1.00

01:15:54.560 If you actually had, maybe you had ego death.

01:15:56.420 Because if you had ego life, you would know you shouldn't, you don't need to do that in

01:16:01.360 order to make yourself feel good about yourself.

01:16:03.400 You just live your beautiful life.

01:16:05.020 You'll attract positive energy.

01:16:06.840 Negative will come too because there's a lot of envy in this world.

01:16:09.880 But you handle it like a pro, like a classy lady, not somebody who's constantly mentioning

01:16:14.700 essentially the fact that she has darker melanin and a vag. 0.97

01:16:18.020 Um, she also hit Ricky Gervais, who is the greatest to ever host the Globes because he's

01:16:25.360 been standing up for women's rights.

01:16:27.100 And here's what she said about him.

01:16:28.660 Stop 15.

01:16:30.000 B.

01:16:31.160 Ricky Gervais, because he would like to thank God and the trans community.

01:16:42.920 Ricky Gervais could not be here, but we'll accept this on his behalf.

01:16:48.020 She's got to mention the trans, because he, he dedicates his win to the trans community.

01:16:53.700 He doesn't.

01:16:54.580 So disrespectful.

01:16:56.140 How dare you?

01:16:57.400 How dare you?

01:16:58.720 Remember when they were just funny? 1.00

01:17:00.380 Why does anybody watch this shit? 1.00

01:17:01.800 We don't. 1.00

01:17:02.300 I mean, we have a team that watches it so that you don't have to, but like, how pathetic, 0.98

01:17:08.240 right? 0.99

01:17:08.780 Like, okay, you're a tough girl.

01:17:10.320 You stood up for the trans community and you ripped Ricky and diminished, disparaged his win 1.00

01:17:16.560 by mocking him.

01:17:19.280 So Golden Globes, she should never be allowed to present again.

01:17:23.580 And then we got to the brand new category of best podcast, which they just added because

01:17:28.540 they want to be more relevant.

01:17:29.600 And you guys have heard this story.

01:17:32.260 I, among other podcasts, were nominated our show.

01:17:35.840 We pulled our name from consideration.

01:17:38.260 They wanted us to, you had to like fill out all these forms and actually pay a fee.

01:17:42.100 And I said, no, we're not doing that.

01:17:44.520 They also wanted me to go to Hollywood and do interviews with Golden Globes members,

01:17:50.020 like behind the scenes in order to woo them into voting for me, which I said at the time, 0.94

01:17:55.200 I'd rather put a bullet in my brain. 1.00

01:17:56.940 Fuck no. 1.00

01:17:58.440 There's zero chance I was doing any of that. 0.99

01:18:01.380 So we pulled our show from consideration.

01:18:03.100 Then Variety, in writing up the story today, claimed we were snubbed.

01:18:06.400 Variety, we were not snubbed.

01:18:07.920 We pulled our names from consideration.

01:18:10.100 And that's just the way some of us roll.

01:18:11.960 Others buy huge billboards in Times Square to try to persuade Hollywood people to like them.

01:18:16.460 That didn't work out for our friend Ben very well, now did it?

01:18:19.360 Um, Amy Poehler won.

01:18:22.180 That's no shock, right?

01:18:23.020 They gave it to one of their own.

01:18:24.740 Yeah.

01:18:25.540 Tracks.

01:18:26.420 And it's because she really has a great, a really, really insightful podcast,

01:18:32.100 which you really feel enriched after watching.

01:18:34.940 I mean, I've never watched it, but this is what I hear.

01:18:36.640 And when I watched the clips, I thought, my God, what am I missing?

01:18:39.840 And I'll just give you a sample of what you could be listening to every day.

01:18:43.240 It's Sot 17.

01:18:46.880 What time do you like to eat dinner?

01:18:49.360 I like it at six.

01:18:51.260 Okay, me too.

01:18:52.960 I make my reservations at 6 p.m.

01:18:55.260 So do I.

01:18:56.100 I love it so much.

01:18:57.040 It's so great.

01:18:58.360 And honestly, sometimes I like to be the first person in the restaurant.

01:19:02.400 I was last night.

01:19:04.120 I did 545 last night.

01:19:06.240 Incredible.

01:19:06.660 Oh, they're so relatable.

01:19:09.560 They have busy lives.

01:19:10.400 They get tired earlier, just like you.

01:19:12.040 Stars, like Gwyneth Paltrow, just like you.

01:19:14.480 Riveting, right?

01:19:15.560 Well, maybe she won because of her insightful interviews. 0.85

01:19:18.200 No, wait.

01:19:18.480 That wasn't it.

01:19:19.360 The preparation she does, perhaps.

01:19:21.440 You know, for this show, trust me, it takes a lot of prep to find all those sound bites,

01:19:25.620 to get a feel for the narrative, to present in a way that tells a story and makes it easy

01:19:30.540 and yet enjoyable for you to consume.

01:19:32.640 The whole team puts a lot of hours into that kind of thing, and I think you know that.

01:19:37.600 If somebody comes on, they have a book, we read the book.

01:19:40.980 We show them the respect of understanding what it is they're trying to say and giving

01:19:45.180 them the time to do it and make sure that we know who they are and what they're there

01:19:48.260 for.

01:19:50.160 Amy Poehler thought Gwyneth Paltrow was in Cold Mountain, which she wasn't.

01:19:53.720 Sot 16.

01:19:56.480 Cold Mountain.

01:19:57.640 How cold was the mountain?

01:19:58.760 I wasn't in Cold Mountain.

01:20:00.220 Oh, forget it then.

01:20:01.860 But thanks for thanking him, Nicole Kidman.

01:20:03.940 Bonus!

01:20:08.860 I mean, I'm sorry.

01:20:10.000 Like, they played it off like it was hilarious, but the truth is she didn't show Gwyneth Paltrow

01:20:13.940 the respect of actually understanding what her body of work is, recent body of work,

01:20:19.840 for them to discuss.

01:20:21.640 So that's embarrassing and disrespectful, and that's what wins you, yay, the award for best

01:20:27.940 podcast.

01:20:29.320 Also, in the final running, as I mentioned, was NPR's Up First, and here's the little

01:20:34.780 Leila Faldin talking about it this morning.

01:20:38.660 We were the one news podcast that informs the public, often under intense pressure.

01:20:44.760 Our journalists are around the world.

01:20:46.280 Today, we're going to be talking about Iran and the Fed and all of these things, and I

01:20:51.260 was just thinking about that when we were in this glamorous room, that we were representing

01:20:56.100 the difficult work of our journalists around the world.

01:20:59.060 Self-aggrandizing.

01:21:03.680 Oh, my God.

01:21:04.860 Intense pressure.

01:21:06.820 Wow, I don't know how we deal with it here at the MK Show.

01:21:09.200 Steve, Debbie, we got to give everybody raises.

01:21:11.380 The intense pressure of having to report on Iran and Minneapolis.

01:21:16.360 The Fed.

01:21:17.260 Oh! 0.60

01:21:18.700 How will we ever handle it?

01:21:20.760 Literally, she makes it sound like she's a Navy SEAL.

01:21:23.080 So, oh, my gosh, speaking of our military, Dakota Meyer goes back into the Marines this

01:21:33.900 week.

01:21:34.440 He starts, I think, today, back as a Marine, Medal of Honor recipient, and one of the greatest

01:21:39.960 guys we've ever had on the program, and I'm proud to call him a friend, back in the Marines.

01:21:44.660 I mean, that's a true, beloved, respectable American for you.

01:21:50.000 The guy's already accomplished it all.

01:21:53.820 He saved the lives of three dozen men and retrieved the bodies of the fallen.

01:21:59.680 He had such a tough time when he returned home from service, almost taking his own life at

01:22:06.720 one point.

01:22:07.600 So depressed and upset was he in just trying to get through that post-combat period for

01:22:14.220 a true warrior, which is a real thing, and he showed courage there, too, in talking about

01:22:19.280 it.

01:22:20.240 And he did.

01:22:21.380 He did that on this show in one of my favorite interviews.

01:22:24.300 And today, he's not even 40.

01:22:26.920 What does he decide to do?

01:22:27.900 I mean, he could just be writing books.

01:22:29.040 He could be on the self-help, you know, speaking tour.

01:22:31.580 He decides to rejoin, to re-enlist.

01:22:36.000 And I think he's got to go through basic training again, which will be amazing for the fellow would-be

01:22:40.440 Marines around him. 0.99

01:22:41.500 They're going to be like, holy shit, Dakota Meyer? 0.99

01:22:46.200 Tell us everything. 0.99

01:22:47.700 And that's the right attitude.

01:22:48.780 Dude, watch, watch and learn, men and women.

01:22:52.020 We're going to need you to be just as courageous as he is.

01:22:54.920 All right.

01:22:55.440 That's enough for the Golden Globes and that nonsense.

01:22:58.760 Congratulations to no one because they're all bought and paid for.

01:23:01.120 That's what we learned in this process.

01:23:02.700 Not a person got up there who didn't do the lobbying behind the scenes, who didn't buy

01:23:07.300 and pay for their award, paying the thousands of dollars they require for you to even be

01:23:10.720 considered.

01:23:11.420 So you remember that when you watch this.

01:23:13.020 I think you probably already knew.

01:23:14.000 But boy, we didn't know it quite the way we know it now.

01:23:16.240 And move on.

01:23:17.340 Okay.

01:23:17.860 Coming up, Garagos Murphy on the Hollywood star director, who is now reportedly on the

01:23:27.060 lam as there's a warrant out for his arrest for allegedly molesting two seven-year-old

01:23:32.700 boys.

01:23:33.200 He's married to Melissa Gilbert and we'll have thoughts on her too.

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01:24:35.080 As we told you at the top of the hour, well, top of the show, a warrant in New Mexico has

01:24:43.860 been issued for the arrest of actor and director Timothy Busfield on two counts of criminal sexual

01:24:50.340 contact of a minor and one count of child abuse.

01:24:54.380 As of this moment, he has yet to turn himself in.

01:24:57.280 The warrant was issued Friday night.

01:24:58.540 So now we are on day.

01:25:00.380 Well, if you conclude Friday, this is day four, one, two, three, four, three or four days where

01:25:05.020 the man is at large.

01:25:06.100 Where is he?

01:25:07.640 According to a police affidavit filed in support of the arrest to 11 year old boys.

01:25:11.960 They're 11 now who are related.

01:25:15.000 Alleged that Busfield inappropriately touched them during the filming of the Fox crime drama.

01:25:20.320 It's a crime drama.

01:25:21.600 I'm just now learning that called The Cleaning Lady. 1.00

01:25:24.980 Crime drama, Deb.

01:25:27.820 I've got issues.

01:25:29.240 I, okay.

01:25:29.700 I got issues.

01:25:30.480 I have, why would you call a crime drama The Cleaning Lady?

01:25:32.660 Okay.

01:25:32.880 I digress.

01:25:34.840 I guess she cleans up the crime scenes. 0.95

01:25:37.240 Okay.

01:25:38.200 Anyway, um, this is a show for which Timothy Busfield was an actor and the executive producer

01:25:44.240 and I, and the director, I believe.

01:25:47.220 And one of the boys says that Busfield, forgive me, touched his genitals starting back when 0.89

01:25:53.760 he was seven.

01:25:55.660 Uh, and then it happened right on set.

01:25:58.280 Now, Busfield hasn't spoken to this yet, but we know from the police affidavit that Busfield

01:26:02.500 denied it and that his defense, we believe if he ever shows up to make one is going to

01:26:08.240 be that the mother of both of these boys, their brothers is disgruntled because the boys

01:26:13.900 got terminated at the end of, I think, season two and plotted revenge and may have even

01:26:20.800 told an actress, the lead actress on the show, that she wanted revenge against Timothy Busfield,

01:26:26.300 though the lead actress is not cooperating and would not tell police that statement.

01:26:31.200 She appears to have told it to a Warner Brothers investigator.

01:26:35.020 So that's where this case stands now, but there's a lot more.

01:26:38.760 And the boys' testimonial to the police and to the authorities was clearly what resulted

01:26:43.860 in the charges, which we'll get into.

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01:27:09.980 Mark, Matt, great to see you guys.

01:27:12.160 This whole thing is so disturbing.

01:27:15.880 So Matt Murphy, I mean, you're a career prosecutor and, you know, spent your life.

01:27:20.800 Every time I turn on Dateline, it's another case out of Orange County, California,

01:27:25.660 that Matt Murphy prosecuted.

01:27:27.080 It's amazing.

01:27:27.820 I'm like, I know him.

01:27:29.860 Anyway, you tell me what, why you think they indicted or issued an arrest warrant for Timothy

01:27:36.540 Busfield here.

01:27:37.140 Well, I think one of the reasons they did this, Megan, is he, this isn't his first brush

01:27:42.980 with accusations like this.

01:27:45.400 He's been accused twice before, I think, by actresses or female actors that accused him

01:27:52.660 of impropriety.

01:27:53.620 But when you get into the details of those, I think the defense, if it was even admissible,

01:27:59.140 could characterize it as basically awkward passes.

01:28:04.100 You know what I mean?

01:28:04.680 Like it wasn't particularly violent.

01:28:07.820 He wasn't using weapons or anything like that.

01:28:09.820 It was more like he was drunk and gropey.

01:28:13.520 The interesting thing, and I think Mark will find this interesting.

01:28:16.980 I actually did research on this, which is always a little scary.

01:28:19.760 In California, Megan, we have evidence code section known as 1108, which stands for the

01:28:26.640 idea that propensity evidence or other sex crimes are generally admissible.

01:28:32.440 And there's almost a presumption that it comes in.

01:28:35.600 New Mexico does not have that.

01:28:37.600 In fact, New Mexico rejected that.

01:28:39.960 So this is actually a tough one based on what we've seen.

01:28:46.640 He said some things in his interview that were kind of weird.

01:28:50.880 Like maybe I tickled him, but I, you know, he's very sort of.

01:28:57.240 I was very playful with these young boys.

01:28:59.480 He said, I was very, I admit to being playful with them on the set.

01:29:03.220 And he also says, Matt, this is, well, here's, let me tell you what I read, like what jumped

01:29:09.220 out at me was he said he could not remember.

01:29:13.940 He said, I don't, he denies, I think the sexual assault, but he says he can't remember.

01:29:20.300 And yet you've got these young boys saying, I remember, I remember the, the boys, they

01:29:26.500 were seven at the time.

01:29:27.200 They're 11 now are saying, forgive me members of the audience, but that will be explicit

01:29:32.120 because it's a sex crime. 1.00

01:29:32.940 He touched my penis and my, my rear end, my butt over clothing on the set right after 0.99

01:29:39.920 scenes were done when nobody was there, like the set would clear off and he'd go in there. 0.99

01:29:43.920 And I guess there was at least a couple of times where the main boy, it appears they're

01:29:48.620 twin brothers, um, would still be in the bed and he'd come over and start tickling him.

01:29:53.840 And then it would progress to, you know, abuse to feeling this boy.

01:29:58.360 And there's a whole allegation about the fact that they're supposed to have people watching

01:30:01.520 the boys all the time on the set and that this woman was not there and that the police

01:30:06.500 were able to verify that she was not there a lot.

01:30:09.220 But I mean, if I came to you and said, have you ever fondled a boy, uh, you know, in any

01:30:15.220 capacity, you certainly wouldn't say, I don't remember.

01:30:19.420 It would be a hard, absolutely not.

01:30:22.540 And so that to me sounded like the most damning exchange in here.

01:30:26.580 I'll, I'll find it the exact one and tell you what it is.

01:30:28.660 Keep going, Matt.

01:30:29.560 No, I think you're right.

01:30:30.740 That's the, that's the tough part.

01:30:32.400 So when I, my first day in sexual assault, I did four years in sex before I went to homicide

01:30:36.600 and my boss, uh, Chuck Middleton called me in and he said, we don't follow one-on-ones.

01:30:42.740 So in other words, every sex case, you have to have some sort of corroboration and it's

01:30:47.160 almost formulaic.

01:30:47.940 Mark has, has dealt with a million of these too.

01:30:50.420 It's, you do covert calls where the victim calls the, uh, the, the offender.

01:30:55.720 Um, you get something good in an interview or you have some other form of corroboration.

01:31:00.660 Sometimes it's, I mean, this is again, graphic.

01:31:03.100 Sometimes, uh, it's an STD that the poor little kid gets.

01:31:06.280 Sometimes it is, um, it's in the form of other victims.

01:31:09.960 California has significantly easier evidence laws for prosecutors than I think New Mexico does.

01:31:16.220 Um, so this is, this is going to be interesting to see how it plays out.

01:31:20.780 I don't know what's up with him kind of being in the wind right now.

01:31:24.000 Um, because I think this, based on what I've read, this is a, this is a, and I think Mark

01:31:28.520 will agree.

01:31:29.240 This sounds like a, a defensible case.

01:31:32.340 And one of the things you encounter all the time, Megan, when you actually work these is

01:31:36.600 you get, first of all, any sex unit, it's 90% sexual abuse of children.

01:31:41.560 And you get case after case where you believe the kid, you, you're certain that the kids

01:31:46.840 are telling the truth, but you just don't have that, um, that corroboration to go after

01:31:52.800 them.

01:31:53.120 So, um, these are, these are tough.

01:31:55.400 It psychologically takes a toll on, on prosecutors.

01:31:59.300 Here's the excerpt.

01:32:01.160 So Warner brothers had an outside investigator come in through another law firm and do an investigation.

01:32:07.540 By the way, Warner brothers does not look good in this whole thing at all.

01:32:10.480 The police officer alleges that they delayed for months, um, giving him information and

01:32:16.220 giving him access to witnesses all while there were still children on the Warner brothers

01:32:21.100 sets.

01:32:22.040 And there was a real question about whether they were adequately protecting them.

01:32:25.120 It's disturbing.

01:32:27.020 Warner brothers denies that and says that they protect all children.

01:32:29.300 But, um, this is what the cop alleges, um, that Timothy and he had a conversation and

01:32:37.400 he said, I did ask Timothy, if he ever had any physical contact with these boys and if

01:32:41.300 he ever picked them up and tickled them, Timothy said it was highly likely that he would have.

01:32:48.300 Timothy said it was a playful environment like he wanted.

01:32:53.000 However, Timothy said the dad would make these boys hug him and he didn't really want them

01:32:58.560 to.

01:32:59.220 Timothy then stated, quote, I don't remember those boys.

01:33:03.000 No, I don't.

01:33:04.680 I don't actually, I don't remember if it happened.

01:33:08.860 I don't remember overtly tickling the boys ever, but it wouldn't be uncommon for me.

01:33:15.660 Now, maybe he's saying, I don't remember if I ever tickled them and maybe there was an

01:33:20.460 explicit denial, um, saying, but I never molested them.

01:33:23.900 One can assume he denied that.

01:33:25.720 Um, but then he says, Mark, I don't remember the boys at all.

01:33:31.480 I don't remember the boys.

01:33:32.780 No, I don't.

01:33:33.320 I don't actually.

01:33:34.480 How does he not remember the boys who starred in this show from at least age seven to, I

01:33:42.060 think two years later, two, I think two years they start in this, this show.

01:33:46.180 And they said this alleged abuse happened over the course of, of possibly five to six times.

01:33:51.180 As Matt will tell you, nothing makes a prosecutor happy here than they, uh, accused deciding

01:33:59.920 he's going to engage with an investigator and start talking.

01:34:03.960 I, this is, uh, this is just prime example.

01:34:08.240 Exhibit ABC is to why you should never engage, uh, with this, uh, with an investigator, because

01:34:15.940 first of all, you think you're going to talk your way out of it.

01:34:18.580 And you're reading from the, uh, report, and I'm sure that's probably somewhat accurate

01:34:23.580 as to what he said, and it's susceptible to many interpretations.

01:34:27.360 And if an investigator's got, uh, uh, his kind of agenda, he's going to interpret it in

01:34:34.180 a way that's, uh, most, uh, kind of incriminatory.

01:34:37.720 I will tell you the two things that bother me about this case, if true, and I don't know,

01:34:43.540 cause I'm not involved, but I've read that at least the first person they went to, or

01:34:49.960 that the mother or their guardian went to was a lawyer.

01:34:53.160 And then it was lawyer referred, uh, I'm sitting here in the civil courthouse.

01:34:57.620 I'll tell you one of the first questions that anybody gets asked in front of a jury is who

01:35:03.500 referred you to your medical provider.

01:35:05.620 And if you say my lawyer did, you should see the juror's curtain come down in terms of

01:35:11.200 the credibility.

01:35:12.000 That's number one.

01:35:12.900 Number two, I found it interesting about the way that you said Warner brothers comes off

01:35:19.360 on this because they did hire an outside investigator.

01:35:23.200 My experience with these outside investigations is they almost always find culpability.

01:35:30.220 They, they, especially on the individual and they go to the extent of exonerating the corporation.

01:35:36.520 So I'm, I'm fascinated by the fact that the outside investigation exonerated him.

01:35:42.860 And if it's true, he was not exonerated.

01:35:46.500 Yeah.

01:35:46.760 That's too strong a word.

01:35:48.060 Well, they, they obviously didn't take action against him that I'm aware of.

01:35:52.140 And they, and they did not, I don't know.

01:35:54.960 And it would be interesting to know if they found something and it was inconclusive, did

01:36:00.600 they refer it to the authorities?

01:36:02.900 Did they think that they had an obligation?

01:36:06.100 It sounds like what happened was the boys, the one boy who allegedly was like the main

01:36:12.140 target came out and told his therapist that it had graduated beyond the point that he was

01:36:17.820 willing to admit earlier.

01:36:19.360 Now he's 11 and he, you know, came clean with it.

01:36:22.920 And that's when the police got involved more seriously, but I'll read you the Warner Brothers.

01:36:28.860 Yeah.

01:36:29.180 That's interesting that it was, that it's a therapist who was, who presumably is a mandatory

01:36:35.300 reporter.

01:36:36.520 If the therapist was consulted for some other reason, that tends to be consistent with a,

01:36:44.060 uh, uh, whether it's a fresh complaint, however you want to characterize it or, um, analyze

01:36:50.380 it.

01:36:50.700 But if it turns out that the lawyer referred to the therapist who promptly, um, then reported

01:36:57.160 it, that becomes problematic.

01:36:59.720 The therapist, what, the way I read the complaint is that they, they consulted a law firm when they

01:37:06.220 got wind of these alleged misbehaviors.

01:37:08.660 And then the law firm, uh, referred the kid to a therapist, kids, and they, they admitted

01:37:15.800 that he'd been tickling them on their legs and their stomachs.

01:37:19.700 That's what the boys said first, at least the one boy, but I think both.

01:37:22.920 And then the cops said, well, we can't really do anything with that.

01:37:27.180 I mean, all of us sitting here know how creepy and disgusting that is.

01:37:34.320 No man would tickle another man's little boy on the legs and the stomach playfully.

01:37:41.620 That is not a thing unless you're a groomer, but okay, let's just give him the benefit of

01:37:47.560 the doubt because he's being accused of child molestation.

01:37:50.040 So we don't want to get over our skis.

01:37:52.700 So then the kids, at least the one main boy continued seeing the therapist, um, from age

01:38:00.020 eight, I think was when they first came forward to now 11.

01:38:03.640 So for two or three years and finally told the therapist that he actually had been touched

01:38:09.280 on his private parts by this guy, Busfield. 0.70

01:38:11.880 That was his allegation.

01:38:12.820 And that's when they called the police again and said, you have to do something about this.

01:38:16.540 And it was the police.

01:38:17.400 They did call the police to say, this is wrong.

01:38:20.040 Um, I did pull up the part about Warner brothers.

01:38:22.720 Here's what the police affidavit says.

01:38:25.200 Warner brothers made it very difficult to obtain information for this case and waited almost

01:38:29.380 three months to comply with a court order to produce the independent investigation.

01:38:33.680 Now that is just wrong.

01:38:35.520 I mean, I'm sorry, but like Hollywood is already under suspicion for running effectively a pedophile

01:38:39.660 ring given the number of issues we've seen coming out of there.

01:38:42.240 And you can go back to Roman Polanski.

01:38:43.920 You can certainly go to what's happened at Nickelodeon.

01:38:46.200 Um, Corey Feldman, child actor has been jumping up and down about this.

01:38:50.420 And now you have Warner brothers that gets an accusation and they have a court order saying

01:38:56.220 fork it over, fork over the independent investigation.

01:38:59.800 They wait three months to, to comply.

01:39:02.380 I mean, like there are children on their sets right now.

01:39:04.640 That's why the police are upset.

01:39:06.440 Warner brothers used attorney Richard Westling to advise me that I would need to go through

01:39:10.800 his law firm to talk with any employees of Warner brothers.

01:39:14.400 When I was trying to ensure the safety of additional child actors, when talking with employees of

01:39:19.820 Warner brothers, they were very afraid of retaliation from Warner brothers.

01:39:23.060 If they talk to me and again, Warner brothers responds by saying the health,

01:39:27.040 health and safety of our cast and crews, always our top priority, especially minors.

01:39:30.680 We take all allegations of misconduct very seriously and has systems in place to promptly investigate.

01:39:36.400 Um, that's terrible.

01:39:38.540 Warner brothers, you need to do better, but there's more about on the allegations against

01:39:42.200 bus field and I'm going to get into it with Matt and Mark right after this break.

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01:41:58.300 All right, let me just lay out some of what's in the affidavit because I don't want to leave this unclear.

01:42:03.680 Um, here's how it began.

01:42:05.580 On November 1st, 2024, and this is all via the police affidavit.

01:42:11.240 That's my source for all this.

01:42:12.160 So last November, 2024, uh, the, the officer was dispatched to the hospital, the New Mexico, New Mexico, New Mexico hospital after a doctor called in a sexual, sexual abuse allegation.

01:42:29.560 Um, the officer spoke with the boy's parents.

01:42:34.640 The, uh, officer was told by the father that there had been multiple rumors that Timothy Busfield had been handsy with women.

01:42:41.480 Uh, the, the dad informed the officer, sorry, the mother informed the officer that she had asked their children, who were 11 at the time, if anyone had ever touched them in a manner that made them uncomfortable.

01:42:53.660 The children responded by asking, you mean like uncle Tim?

01:42:58.480 Then the dad went to a law firm that recommended that the two children, that the two take the children to the hospital to be examined, which they did.

01:43:06.120 Um, it was reported that while at the hospital, the staff there advised that it appeared the children had been groomed.

01:43:13.540 Um, officer Osborne spoke with both children who did not disclose any sexual content contact at the time.

01:43:20.240 However, both boys advised that Timothy Busfield, whom they referred to as uncle Tim, would tickle them on the stomachs and legs.

01:43:28.440 Neither boy cared for the tickling.

01:43:29.940 The officer contacted a detective with the crimes against children unit, and they determined that the case did not meet their acceptance criteria at the time.

01:43:39.500 That's where we left off, Matt, because presumably, you know, the tickling of the legs and the stomach is not going to be enough to make a busy sex crime prosecutor go after Timothy Busfield and can be explained, though it's obviously inappropriate.

01:43:52.740 It's not necessarily criminal or so, so believed this sex crime investigator.

01:43:58.560 He either believed that or he believed just not, doesn't rise to the level to pull me away from my, like, really disturbing, awful cases.

01:44:06.080 Not to diminish what happened to those boys, allegedly.

01:44:09.400 On 10-3-2025, so now we're 11 months later, the parents called Child Protective Services.

01:44:16.340 And they told Child Protective Services that her children both disclosed that there was sexual abuse by Timothy Busfield from November 2022 to spring 2024.

01:44:29.840 She said her children were groomed and sexually abused by him. 0.97

01:44:32.980 She advised that in September, the one son, SL, or his initials, this is the main target, allegedly, reported to his therapist that Timothy Busfield had touched his penis and his bottom. 0.89

01:44:45.460 Then, by October 17th, the cop called the parents, and the mother told the cop that SL had disclosed to his therapist, who's named, that Timothy had touched these areas on him.

01:45:03.060 And she also advised that in September, SL had disclosed the same to his pediatrician.

01:45:10.460 Both of those areas had been touched.

01:45:12.600 Then, the cop reviewed the therapist records, and he found out that this therapist diagnosed SL, who was 10 years old at the time, with post-traumatic stress disorder.

01:45:25.380 He viewed an incident report submitted in September, a month earlier, by the therapist, that documented SL disclosing that a director of the series, in which SL was an actor, had engaged in inappropriate touching.

01:45:38.100 It notes that previous disclosures were of being touched on the arm, chest and back. 0.86

01:45:42.720 SL disclosed that the director had also touched his penis and buttocks. 0.91

01:45:46.840 On 9-9-2025, this therapist documented SL disclosing having nightmares about the director touching him and waking up scared. 0.91

01:45:55.460 SL also disclosed that the director had touched and rubbed him in his private areas three or four times and appeared to be ashamed.

01:46:03.920 On Halloween of 2025, both SL and VL, his brother, were taken to an advocacy center for children.

01:46:12.180 It's called a safe house interview.

01:46:13.800 Cop says, I watched both interviews recorded and conducted by a forensic child interviewer.

01:46:18.040 SL told the interviewer, the first time Tim touched him was when he was seven.

01:46:22.420 He described it as his parents no longer having an iPad to watch the set.

01:46:25.880 And when the director, Tim, said cut, Tim would come into the bedroom on the movie set and touch SL's private areas.

01:46:34.340 SL provided a drawing to the interviewer showing him how he was alone with Tim.

01:46:38.460 SL said Tim would grab his waist with both hands while SL was lying on his back in the bed on the movie set.

01:46:43.920 Tim would then touch all over SL's body, including his private areas, where SL described his private area as where he poops and pees.

01:46:51.000 SL said Tim touched those two areas over the clothing five to six times between sets.

01:46:58.260 This is during one incident that he's describing.

01:47:01.980 After the set was over, sets were over, SL said he was scared and he speed walked to his father and hid behind his dad.

01:47:10.700 Then there was another time he was touched when he was eight years old.

01:47:13.820 And SL describes the movie set, same as the first, said this time it happened three to four times, same two areas, and said he was very afraid of Tim and relieved when he was off set.

01:47:24.400 Then you've got the interview by the safe house interviewer of VL, the brother.

01:47:30.180 VL explained that Mr. Tim started touching them for the first two years and he did not want to say anything because he did not want to be mean to Tim.

01:47:37.860 VL said Mr. Tim would start touching him with his hands about his body while they were filming in the house. 0.65

01:47:43.820 VL advised that it was about his body, but did not disclose that he was touched on his buttocks or penis area.

01:47:52.580 Now, I mean, I think that just lends credibility to the family because if I were a mother looking to get a big payday from Timothy Busfield or Warner Brothers,

01:48:01.380 I would do my level best to have both of the boys have a consistent story and double my money with both kids telling that they had been abused in exactly the same way to show a pattern,

01:48:14.320 to show it was the most egregious stuff, to get criminal charges.

01:48:17.320 I think it actually helps the family that the VL child did not make that allegation, but SL did.

01:48:24.040 And Matt, the other thing we see from the police affidavit is witness after witness who worked on that set verifying that the woman who's supposed to be watching them was not there,

01:48:35.540 was frequently not watching them, and also verifying that SL started his stint on this show as a bubbly, sweet, happy boy,

01:48:43.440 and progressively went downhill, seemed unhappy, depressed, more introverted, sullen, and clearly was not enjoying being on this set within the two years,

01:48:55.980 by the end of the two years on which he was in the show, that he started acting differently.

01:49:01.740 And on top of all that, there was an anonymous complaint about Timothy Busfield that was made to, through SAG-AFTRA, the union,

01:49:14.260 about an incident that happened on the set of The Cleaning Lady,

01:49:17.500 who claimed to have witnessed an incident in the hair and makeup trailer,

01:49:20.780 where Tim Busfield entered and kissed a minor male on the face as the minor was getting a haircut.

01:49:26.220 The anonymous complainant further alleged that there are pictures of Mr. Busfield tickling and caressing the head and body of minor boys.

01:49:36.400 That, we don't know for sure who that was, but there was a hair and makeup person who spoke with police

01:49:40.820 and said she witnessed Timothy come into the trailer where she was working and kissed the two children actors,

01:49:47.740 child actors on their foreheads, but noted their parents were present at the time.

01:49:51.880 Um, and this makeup artist said everyone knew to avoid Timothy because he was creepy.

01:49:56.920 On the other side of the ledger, we have the fact that the boys didn't initially say that they were touched in the most violative of ways.

01:50:03.380 And we had the lead actress telling the Warner Brothers investigator, though not the police,

01:50:07.820 that the mother was, quote, that she did not like her sons being terminated.

01:50:14.460 She did not like what it brought out in her and that she would get her revenge against Timothy Busfield.

01:50:20.260 Okay, so all that, Matt, says to you that this is not provable or that he didn't do it?

01:50:29.640 No, that it's a tough one.

01:50:31.780 And first of all, look, I don't have any kids.

01:50:33.620 I can't imagine anything less I'd ever want to do than spend time tickling somebody else's kid.

01:50:39.860 So, but you still have to prove sexual intent for any contact.

01:50:43.720 Okay, so it's tough because oftentimes the guy's 68 years old.

01:50:48.760 A lot of times you'll get some corroborating evidence, either kiddie porn on a computer.

01:50:53.720 You and I have talked about that a lot in other cases.

01:50:56.400 Well, I wonder if they're looking at that right now.

01:50:58.700 Sorry.

01:50:58.940 Well, I'm sure they are.

01:50:59.740 And they're looking at cell phones and everything else.

01:51:01.500 But it's 68.

01:51:02.700 If none of that has come forward, he's got, they're going to argue that it's money grab.

01:51:06.540 We saw a lot of that in Diddy.

01:51:08.720 But this is, that is your classic affidavit, you know, that you see working these in law enforcement.

01:51:16.980 Mark has read a million of them, too.

01:51:19.040 It's like, this is straight up the middle.

01:51:21.400 The affidavit, the way the officer wrote that was also spot on, that these guys will often ingratiate themselves with families to get access to the kids.

01:51:30.100 And I think one of the reasons why I think a lot of people in your audience are disturbed right now, Megan, is these cases are ubiquitous.

01:51:40.880 You know, serial killers are relatively rare in society.

01:51:45.060 There's a lot of them, but statistically, they're rare.

01:51:48.780 Sex offenders like this are not.

01:51:50.640 In fact, we have three different names, right?

01:51:52.500 This is what would be known as pedophilia.

01:51:54.900 And of course, this man is presumed innocent, but pedophilia is prepubescent kids. 0.99

01:52:01.080 Hebophilia is kids that are going through puberty, and ephebophilia are kids that are post-pubescent, like our friend Jeffrey Epstein, friggin' dirtbag. 0.98

01:52:10.000 Just to be clear for the record, Matt, so what you're saying is, if you're a molester who's interested in the very young children, you're called a pedophile. 0.97

01:52:18.480 But if you're into the more young teenage type, you're called an herbophile under the law.

01:52:24.600 It's an ephebophile if it's post-pubescent.

01:52:26.760 Sorry. 0.99

01:52:27.180 And they're all monsters.

01:52:28.460 They all run different risks. 0.99

01:52:30.840 They're all, I mean, collectively, we can call them all perverts, right?

01:52:35.220 It's any child under the age of 18, and arguably, some of the older ones are even worse because they can impregnate their victims, and you see a million of those.

01:52:45.500 But if I can make a quick connection here, if you don't mind, as we sit in the green room ready to come on.

01:52:51.920 Mark's doing fancy things in court today, but listening to some of the other speakers concerning Minneapolis, you know.

01:52:58.680 Wait, we'll get to that, but Mark's got to leave in a second.

01:53:00.660 Hold your point, because I do want to get the busy gear goes in on this.

01:53:04.740 The interesting thing that I think Matt was dancing around, and I know Matt long enough and well enough to know, this is a DA reject, as we call it, if this had been presented to Matt.

01:53:17.920 And there's a lot of things there.

01:53:21.480 But it's not now.

01:53:22.880 Well, it's not in New Mexico where this is, but if this were Matt, who is a very experienced, probably the number one sex prosecutor in California, at least in my experience, he would have rejected a case like this.

01:53:39.280 And so it's interesting to me that in New Mexico, this was filed.

01:53:44.140 I think that, you know, we remember not too recently in New Mexico, another case that went off the rails with a celebrity.

01:53:52.740 And I'm just not, I'm not convinced right now that this is a, this rises to the level based on even everything you've just read in that affidavit.

01:54:04.500 Which Matt is right, this is straight up the middle of a lot of most affidavits I see in these kinds of cases.

01:54:12.660 And a lot of that stuff is never going to see a courtroom.

01:54:16.680 It's great for probable cause.

01:54:18.960 Okay, but I get it.

01:54:20.260 Where's Timothy Busfield?

01:54:23.120 I've got theories on that, by the way.

01:54:25.740 I mean, if you're the defense lawyer for Timothy Busfield, this is a state court case.

01:54:30.240 You've got the ability to challenge this case if you're not there at the time.

01:54:36.320 He may want to challenge it, whoever his lawyer is.

01:54:39.400 I can see where there is a, where there's a, some kind of a negotiation going on for all we know between the prosecutor and his lawyer.

01:54:49.520 Here's the other possibility.

01:54:51.680 Other boys are coming forward right now.

01:54:54.460 Or girls. 0.64

01:54:55.360 Always the case.

01:54:56.480 Always the case.

01:54:56.880 When it hits the news, if this has happened to others, guarantee you they're calling somebody.

01:55:02.540 And he's probably, or a lawyer, has been made aware of that too.

01:55:06.760 I'm not trying to condemn the guy before he has his day in court.

01:55:09.760 I'm actually, I'm very disturbed by Warner Brothers and by the fact that it appears these two kids were not protected.

01:55:16.460 That they were allowed private time on the set with an adult 68-year-old man without anybody watching, which is not okay.

01:55:23.880 And they've set themselves up for this kind of an allegation, the studio and Timothy Busfield.

01:55:30.460 I also do find it very disturbing he's saying, I don't know them.

01:55:33.600 When the affidavit goes on to allege, Matt, that he and his wife, Melissa Gilbert, had been taking these boys out for dinners, that he was being called Uncle Tim, that she was buying them gifts, including Christmas gifts.

01:55:50.060 And now it's, who are they? 0.98

01:55:52.420 That's bullshit. 0.99

01:55:53.200 So there's a reason he's lying. 1.00

01:55:57.760 Yeah, there's, these things are always a collage, Megan.

01:56:00.840 It's always a collage.

01:56:02.200 And in the mind of the prosecutor, it's, it's a, it's an accumulation of evidence.

01:56:07.280 It's almost like, there's no bright line test.

01:56:12.460 It's more of a feeling that you get as a prosecutor.

01:56:14.460 Sorry to interrupt you again, Matt, but stand by, Garagos has got to run.

01:56:17.140 So, Mark, thank you so much for being here and to be continued.

01:56:20.580 Thank you.

01:56:21.180 I appreciate it.

01:56:21.840 Bye, Matt.

01:56:22.220 Thanks, Mark, Megan.

01:56:22.960 Okay.

01:56:23.280 Thank you.

01:56:23.720 Okay, keep going, Matt.

01:56:25.940 So it's, every case is a little bit different on these, but they are fundamentally, they're formulaic.

01:56:31.400 Do you have, what corroboration do you have?

01:56:33.280 That's the main question.

01:56:34.420 And then one of the, one of the most common cases that you see in sexual assault, and this is really a sad reflection of kind of the modern world, is you see custody disputes and you see allegations that essentially are prompted by one parent or the other.

01:56:50.240 You see a ton of those.

01:56:51.040 And I had an old detective and his name was, he was at Huntington Beach, great guy, and I'm completely blanking on his name, which makes me a bad person.

01:56:59.660 But he's going to be little yellow stickies with R&R written on the filing packet, which stood for read and reject, which meant, and you look and it's like, okay, custody dispute.

01:57:10.840 Okay, here's an allegation of sexual abuse by one parent or the other.

01:57:14.500 And those are, there's a ton of those.

01:57:17.220 Okay.

01:57:17.460 And they're sad because they're false accusations.

01:57:20.800 And a false accusation can destroy somebody.

01:57:23.140 I think this guy's career is probably done, whether he did it or not.

01:57:26.480 But there's a lot of smoke here and it's accumulating.

01:57:30.280 And Mark was right when he was leaving.

01:57:32.380 It is so common that when the press hits, people will come out of the woodwork.

01:57:37.020 We saw that with Diddy, right?

01:57:38.800 And a lot of those, a lot of the people that came out on Diddy, as bad as that guy was, I think some of them really were money grabs.

01:57:46.240 They saw an opportunity to get out some money.

01:57:48.740 This one, I don't know.

01:57:50.520 You almost always, at the age of 68, this can't be his first rodeo if he's good for it.

01:57:55.160 So with the media, you would expect to see it.

01:57:58.480 But, you know, there's so much emotion on this issue, as there should be.

01:58:03.160 But one of the reasons why there is so much is that abuse of this kind is so common in our society.

01:58:10.800 One of the questions that the judge always asks when you're picking one of these juries, which is what Mark is doing right now, not on sex case,

01:58:16.580 but he's doing jury selection today.

01:58:19.300 One of the questions is, have you or anyone close to you been a victim of this or a similar crime?

01:58:26.000 And Megan, of the 12 jurors in the box, your 12 potential deliberating jurors with a gallery full of other prospective jurors,

01:58:32.360 I've had cases where every single hand in the box went up.

01:58:35.800 Okay, so this is, as we know, this is everywhere.

01:58:39.740 It is incredibly common.

01:58:41.320 It's everybody, it's one degree of separation.

01:58:43.760 Everybody in America, and I'm a little jaded after having done so many of these cases over the years,

01:58:49.460 but everybody's either been abused themselves or somebody in their immediate circle has been.

01:58:55.320 Okay, and that is, it's an incredibly huge problem, which in my mind, and here I go, should transcend politics.

01:59:02.920 Right?

01:59:03.100 This is one area that everybody freaking needs to agree on because sex offenders don't get better.

01:59:07.940 There's no treatment for them.

01:59:09.140 If somebody crosses the Rubicon, and they decide they're going to take action on their impulse to abuse children, 0.99

01:59:15.600 whether that's pre-, during-, or post-pubescent kids, they're a frigging monster, and they're going to keep doing it again. 0.98

01:59:22.460 And my first week in sexual assault, buddy of mine, Ted Burnett, I asked him, like, what makes these guys do it, Ted? 0.99

01:59:28.740 And he was a cerebral guy, and he said, it's green worms in their brain, is what he said.

01:59:35.020 Nobody knows how the green worms get in there. 0.99

01:59:36.980 Sure as shit, nobody knows how to get the green worms out, but as long as they draw breath, they're going to keep doing it as long as they can. 0.98

01:59:44.100 Okay? 0.99

01:59:44.620 And that was my experience.

01:59:46.340 And your first, at the end of your first week in a sexual assault unit, you think you've seen it all by the end.

01:59:51.740 And then after four years, I rotated in a homicide, and I realized of all the depravity I witnessed in four years in that unit,

01:59:58.560 I'd only scratched the surface of people's ability to prey on others, especially children.

02:00:05.220 Okay?

02:00:05.620 And I want to connect it.

02:00:06.660 It's amazing what an affable guy you still are.

02:00:09.060 Like, I think if I had gone through that, I would have lost my light inside.

02:00:12.920 But you haven't lost your light.

02:00:14.220 You must have a very thick skin and joy in your life and you're surfing.

02:00:17.580 You're assuming I'm sane after that experience, so I appreciate that.

02:00:21.640 Maybe I'm faking it really well.

02:00:23.640 You do better than I think I would.

02:00:25.820 But wait, I want to ask you a question about this, because we mentioned maybe they are looking on his home computer right now.

02:00:31.820 But is that realistic?

02:00:33.020 Because can you get a search warrant for—

02:00:36.060 Oh, I guarantee you are.

02:00:36.080 You can.

02:00:36.360 100%.

02:00:36.480 So once you have an arrest warrant, what can you get as an investigator to go investigate?

02:00:42.000 That's exactly right.

02:00:42.920 You can get—it's called a piggyback warrant.

02:00:45.140 I'm sure they call it the same in New Mexico.

02:00:47.100 But what you get is you get—you'll get access to his computers.

02:00:51.680 You will get access to his cell phone.

02:00:53.540 They're going to get into whatever his porn history is on those computers.

02:00:57.560 And by the way, going to dinner, you know, each case is unique, right?

02:01:00.920 So maybe there's some reason why he's taking those boys to dinner or why he had an affinity.

02:01:06.160 I mean, he's with his wife.

02:01:08.060 But it's certainly on the surface, it sounds kind of weird.

02:01:11.580 Again, presumed innocent, all that.

02:01:14.560 But, okay, one of the groups that you deal with all the time when you're prosecuting sex cases is you deal with the feds.

02:01:23.560 You deal with federal task forces.

02:01:25.420 They had one—they do stings. 0.99

02:01:28.460 They do internet child pornography stings.

02:01:30.340 And that's a—it's a critical component of law enforcement against sex offenders is working with the federal government.

02:01:38.840 A lot of times it's with the FBI.

02:01:40.660 But I'm here to tell you, and this is a word we keep hearing lately, a lot of times it involves ICE, right?

02:01:46.920 And I have statistics that I want to share with you.

02:01:48.720 Listening to those people in the previous segment as I'm sitting in the green room waiting to come on and the septum rings and all that, the railing against federal law enforcement, these are some of the people that are most dedicated to getting sex offenders arrested, putting them in prison, and then ultimately deporting them if they're not here legally, right?

02:02:09.940 And in 2023, ICE arrested 4,390 sex offenders.

02:02:17.740 It's a part of their job.

02:02:19.060 That was the last year of Joe Biden.

02:02:20.820 And nobody said a frigging word because back then, shockingly, we all kind of agreed it's a bit of a bipartisan issue.

02:02:27.820 We're going to protect kids who aren't political at all. 0.89

02:02:30.900 Children deserve the protection of all adults regardless of what side of the political aisle they are on, right?

02:02:36.620 So in 2024, last year, first year of President Trump, ICE arrested 16,552 sex offenders, and that is their priority.

02:02:48.580 They had a special operation in the state of Florida called Operation Dirtbag, and that's the federal law enforcement officials, the women and men that do that are critical to protecting our kids.

02:03:00.080 And these people that think it's a good idea to block their cars, they have no idea who they're going after.

02:03:06.480 They prioritize sex offenders and violent felons and gang members, but particularly given how many there are, these federal agents in ICE and other federal agencies prioritize sex offenders.

02:03:19.260 And there should be no rational debate about that.

02:03:22.820 So somebody who goes and drives their car-

02:03:28.040 If you're making an announcement, we are now, for the next six months, only targeting child sex offenders, only child sex molesters, what would they do?

02:03:40.660 I mean, it would be a very interesting experiment to see whether the same, you know, Karen Antifas would stay out there. 0.98

02:03:48.340 You know what, I think they probably would, because they're so, these people are so crazy.

02:03:54.200 I don't know if it's the septum rings that's making them mad, because every time you look like, it's like- 0.79

02:03:58.800 It is related to being extremely homely, it is.

02:04:02.400 Maybe, maybe so, I don't know.

02:04:04.140 But it's, but as a, look, as a prosecutor, it is maddening to me, because I know the work that ICE agents are doing as a sexual assault prosecutor.

02:04:12.360 And same thing with the FBI, they devote a tremendous amount of resource to that.

02:04:16.960 And the idea that somebody is blocking them, again, they're like, they think they're doing good.

02:04:22.080 I think their motivations, I want to believe that they're, that they think they're doing the right thing. 0.99

02:04:26.620 But they're so frigging stupid, because they don't understand what ICE is actually attempting to accomplish. 1.00

02:04:33.040 And at the end, the people who benefit are their own children. 1.00

02:04:36.380 It's, it is maddening.

02:04:37.380 Exactly.

02:04:38.660 Yeah, I don't understand how a mother could get out there and try to stop these arrests of these molesters. 1.00

02:04:42.600 All right, I want to keep going, because I don't have that much time.

02:04:44.720 I've got to ask you about Renee Good's wife.

02:04:48.940 We played the video earlier of her antagonizing that cop, and now we know from his own camera on his iPhone that she was the one who said, drive, baby, drive.

02:04:58.860 She told the wife to do it. 1.00

02:05:01.200 And we also know that the two of them had been working together to train, to antagonize ICE.

02:05:06.300 She was part of the perpendicular parking that Renee Good did earlier, we believe. 0.98

02:05:12.640 So could there be charges against Renee Good's wife?

02:05:17.060 Yes, there could be charges against her wife, and not even for the aiding and evetting or the encouraging of driving forward.

02:05:24.860 But this is, she keeps being referred to as a protester, and from a purely legal breakdown, okay, she comes from Colorado. 0.93

02:05:35.620 I've read that she's a paid protester. 1.00

02:05:37.420 I haven't seen the evidence on that or not.

02:05:39.000 But when you get together with a group of people, including just one other person in your car, and you decide you're going to go out and you're going to impede federal agents attempting to arrest violent felons or sex offenders, that's a conspiracy.

02:05:52.860 It's two or more people agreeing to go and commit a crime.

02:05:55.800 And if it's federal agents and you cross state lines, it is a federal felony.

02:06:01.620 It's a conspiracy to do that.

02:06:03.980 So before we even get to what she was yelling in the car, that by itself is really problematic.

02:06:10.300 Protesting, in my mind, is you're standing on a corner with a bullhorn waving flags or signs that you've written with your sharpie.

02:06:17.860 Wait a minute, though, Matt.

02:06:18.660 I don't know if she crossed state lines.

02:06:19.980 They lived in Colorado, then they moved to Canada after Trump was elected, according to the reports, and then moved to Minneapolis.

02:06:28.200 I guess Canada wasn't all it's cracked up to be.

02:06:30.700 But does that change things?

02:06:31.660 Wouldn't the feds have jurisdiction anyway because it was a federal officer?

02:06:34.720 They would absolutely have jurisdiction anyway.

02:06:36.500 There's multiple theories to get there, and I don't know.

02:06:39.200 And again, I haven't – I've only seen what the rest of us have, what's been released online.

02:06:43.860 I haven't been able to read any – I don't think any real documents have been released yet.

02:06:48.380 But here's another thing just to keep in mind.

02:06:50.560 A lot of the analysis on this – I defend police officers now, Megan.

02:06:54.160 That's the bulk of my practice, as you know.

02:06:57.680 And a lot of the discussion out there is what was this woman thinking when she was driving forward?

02:07:04.520 What was she thinking?

02:07:05.540 Surely she wasn't trying to kill him.

02:07:07.840 Legally, there's a case called Graham v. O'Connor.

02:07:10.440 It's a 1989 U.S. Supreme Court case that talks about how we analyze use of force by police officers.

02:07:19.320 And it is a seminal – it's a seminal case in American jurisprudence.

02:07:23.820 And essentially, it stands for the proposition that it must be viewed from the position of the police officer when he or she perceived the threat.

02:07:32.280 Okay.

02:07:32.540 Is it subjective?

02:07:33.100 Did they reasonably perceive it?

02:07:35.120 Subjective or objective?

02:07:36.260 It's a really good question.

02:07:37.180 Only a lawyer would ask that.

02:07:38.660 It is a mix of objective and subjective circumstances.

02:07:42.220 I remember that from criminal procedure.

02:07:44.300 Just explain to the audience what that means.

02:07:46.580 Yeah.

02:07:47.040 So it's known as the – this is the – it's the 2020 hindsight rule.

02:07:50.700 Colloquially, that's what this case has known.

02:07:52.580 And that is we don't pick apart the actions or thoughts of that particular police officer.

02:07:57.820 You have to look at it objectively.

02:07:59.680 What would a reasonable police officer in the shoes of that officer feel as far as perception of a threat?

02:08:06.040 And she drove her car forward.

02:08:07.940 We got – I saw that.

02:08:09.140 Like, she actually hit him with her car.

02:08:11.900 So it all boils down to any – any shooting of a mother is tragic, right?

02:08:17.100 That is sad.

02:08:19.220 But the legal analysis of that is what would a reasonable police officer in the position of that federal agent feel as this woman?

02:08:27.660 And that federal agent had personally been dragged by another car within the last year and severely injured.

02:08:32.600 Which would be relevant.

02:08:33.200 Right. So it is – and it's a mix of that officer's individual experience, their fear of what's going on, along with the objective circumstances that the officer is faced with.

02:08:45.700 And there was a great clip.

02:08:47.180 I don't know if you saw this.

02:08:48.040 The chief of Chicago PD, of all places, and I was kind of surprised, he went on a rant talking about how if you're blocking federal agents intentionally, that's how people get ambushed.

02:08:59.940 Like, anybody –

02:09:00.700 It was great.

02:09:01.440 We found out it was from October, but it was – the point was totally well taken.

02:09:04.980 But there was another Supreme Court case that says it doesn't matter if the shooting – if the first bullet was justified, because cops are trained to shoot to kill.

02:09:15.620 If they're firing their gun, they're trying to kill.

02:09:18.720 There's no shooting in the leg nonsense like we see in the movies.

02:09:21.240 But there's another Supreme Court precedent that says you don't start evaluating the second and the third bullet when they all come together like that.

02:09:29.700 That's not – because there are a lot of people saying, oh, but the second shot and the third shot, Matt, are the reason to charge this guy.

02:09:35.460 Yeah, and that's – number one, that's exactly what the Supreme Court prohibits.

02:09:41.280 Okay, that is hindsight 20-20.

02:09:43.220 That's dissecting something in a rapidly evolving situation that that person has to make split-second decisions for their own safety and the safety of other officers and the safety of other, quote-unquote, protesters, too.

02:09:56.280 So it's a split-second thing.

02:09:58.060 And the next thought here, Megan, is what's the endgame?

02:10:02.120 You know, there's a thing known as officers-created jeopardy, which is something I've been dealing with on a case I have, a homicide case in Los Angeles County right now where an innocent police officer has been charged with a homicide for shooting a gang member in 2018 because the guy, high on meth, sitting in a stolen car, murder suspect in a separate case, all of a sudden reaches for what anybody would think was a sawed-off shotgun.

02:10:27.160 Later, it turns out to be a BB gun, and BLM gets involved, and they took a principled stand.

02:10:33.460 Jackie Lacey, who's a friend of mine, former DA of L.A., took a principled stand, refused to file because he was innocent.

02:10:39.360 George Gascogne comes in, files that case.

02:10:42.120 Now you've got a guy who is a model police officer, number one in his academy class, father of two kids, little league coach, one of the best cops I've ever worked with in 33 years, and he gets charged with a homicide.

02:10:53.640 Imagine this, for those circumstances, and I'm going to win it one way or another.

02:10:59.880 We have a new DA, Nathan Hockman, who is solid, okay, and I'm hoping they're going to dismiss it, but what is the endgame here?

02:11:09.000 You've got the governor, you've got the mayor all calling for this agent to be prosecuted with murder, and first of all, there's a whole procedure that they're going to have to survive in order to do that.

02:11:18.260 It's called a federal removal order.

02:11:21.860 A federal judge gets to make the call of whether or not he was acting reasonably, essentially, in conformity with his duties, which I think that's going to be tough for any prosecution to get around.

02:11:30.820 But these people that keep talking, frigging Tim Walls and all these people, we don't do mob justice in America, or we're not supposed to anyway.

02:11:37.760 And the mayor who keeps blabbing, I think that they, at the very least, if they're ever successful in getting a murder prosecution against them, there's no way that's going to be in Minneapolis.

02:11:47.080 And it's going to be in some other county, like we saw in Koberger, where they have to remove it from the local area.

02:11:54.260 But it is, what's the next step?

02:11:55.960 So do we just start prosecuting our cops?

02:11:58.220 Is that the idea?

02:11:59.620 That's what they want.

02:12:00.220 So if you have a Democratic president who's trying to get sex offenders or Somalian fraudsters out of the country, then it's okay. 0.99

02:12:07.760 But if it's a Republican that we don't like, then all of a sudden the same agents.

02:12:11.060 Thank God the feds have taken control of the investigation.

02:12:13.900 The locals are frustrated, but that's the way it needs to be.

02:12:16.280 I got to run, Matt.

02:12:16.900 I'm short on time.

02:12:18.020 Love talking to you.

02:12:19.100 Check them out.

02:12:19.480 I could ran all day on this.

02:12:21.160 MK True Crime is where you can hear more analysis from Matt and the guys.

02:12:25.820 Thanks to Matt and thanks to Mark Garagos, too.

02:12:27.780 Look, I do want to say a word about this case, this Timothy Busfield, Melissa Gilbert case.

02:12:34.660 The allegations are deeply disturbing.

02:12:37.100 And I'm sorry, but I don't smell a money grab here.

02:12:40.120 I don't.

02:12:41.060 I think the two boys are innocent.

02:12:43.960 I think they came forward, and this is not atypical to see them, kids who have been abused, come forward and first admit a little, only to later admit a lot.

02:12:54.460 Now, I don't know.

02:12:55.120 I'd like to know more.

02:12:55.800 So I'm going to keep my mind open, and I don't want to prejudge Timothy Busfield's case before he's had the chance to defend himself.

02:13:01.920 I find it extremely odd that he's not turning himself in, and he is at large.

02:13:07.160 It's been, again, we're on day four now.

02:13:09.520 Very strange.

02:13:10.140 And I also think it's interesting that people on the set saw the change in the one boy, that somebody not knowing these boys were making this allegation made an anonymous complaint about him and what she perceived as inappropriate touching of the boys.

02:13:26.380 This is all that he's had two other cases in which, not young kids, but a 17-year-old woman and then a 28-year-old woman accused him of, in one case, like, physically assaulting her in a movie theater.

02:13:41.180 So desperate was he to get in her pants.

02:13:42.700 And they were on a date, and she was basically saying he went off on me.

02:13:47.780 And then another woman, the specifics of which I don't know, the 17-year-old, but he tried to sue a law firm that represented her for defamation.

02:13:57.100 He lost, and a court ordered him to pay that firm $150,000 in their legal fees, and he also was forced to settle with that 17-year-old.

02:14:05.220 So I don't know.

02:14:06.060 I don't know what happened, but here's what I do know.

02:14:08.700 Melissa Gilbert, on November 15th, when she decided to get online and start lecturing me about abuse cases, knew full well that her husband had been accused of molesting two young boys.

02:14:22.780 She knew it.

02:14:23.720 And, friends, that's why she did it.

02:14:27.760 She went online and decided to try to make herself into a victim in the whole 15-year-olds are also abuse victims, which people claimed that I disagreed with, which I would never disagree with.

02:14:43.680 I have interviewed girls of that age who have been abused.

02:14:46.900 I've interviewed girls who have grown from that age and tell me about the abuse when they were that age.

02:14:50.560 In no world did I ever say that they weren't abused victims.

02:14:54.760 I was making a distinction between the legal term pedophile and who it encompasses, and that is it. 0.99

02:15:01.380 And these fucking loons decided to run some campaign suggesting I didn't think it was a deal for a 15-year-old to get assaulted or abused. 0.99

02:15:09.000 Melissa Gilbert jumped on board. 1.00

02:15:12.020 And this is not the first time.

02:15:14.960 She lectured me a couple months ago when I said if they're rebooting Little House on the Prairie, which they reportedly are, they better not woke-ify it.

02:15:22.060 And she got on and waxed poetic about how she thinks Little House on the Prairie was woke and correcting me and my views that she didn't like.

02:15:28.860 She's been lecturing Trump for years now on the abuse issue.

02:15:35.400 Very holier-than-thou.

02:15:37.260 And now we see why.

02:15:39.580 There is only one reason she did that.

02:15:41.960 And by the way, in her post about me, she tried to paint herself as a 15-year-old assault victim saying,

02:15:50.440 I was only 15, she writes, I was 15 when, hold on, I'm trying to find it exactly,

02:15:59.480 when I was expected to fall in love with and kiss a man on film who was several years older.

02:16:06.200 Through the lens of today, this is shocking.

02:16:08.720 I have no words other than to say I was a child.

02:16:12.160 I was 15.

02:16:13.180 Thank God my mom and Michael Landon and so many others were there to make sure I was safe.

02:16:19.280 Can you imagine if I hadn't had them all?

02:16:22.520 I'm so fortunate.

02:16:24.080 What are you saying?

02:16:25.200 You're impugning Dean Butler, who was 23 and played Almanzo Wilder when you were 15.

02:16:32.260 So, yeah, there was an eight-year age difference between actors on a set that had the most benign kissing scenes ever.

02:16:41.620 It was like, trust me, I watched every episode.

02:16:43.900 There was nothing, nothing that you couldn't show on a church altar.

02:16:47.700 And what do you mean, thank God for Michael Landon?

02:16:51.260 Who do you think directed that show?

02:16:52.840 Who produced that show?

02:16:53.780 Who was the star?

02:16:54.480 Michael Landon.

02:16:55.100 He was totally fine with everything he was asking you to do, which included kissing a 23-year-old Dean Butler. 0.91

02:17:00.500 And why are you suggesting if Michael Landon hadn't been there and your mom that Dean Butler would have raped you in front of the film set? 1.00

02:17:07.520 What the fuck is this? 0.99

02:17:09.320 This is her trying to, like, paint herself into the prism of abuse, both as an alleged recipient of it while she was on camera in front of the world and as an avenger of it. 0.99

02:17:21.600 And, my friends, I am telling you, she, with the cooperation of People Magazine, which is the new gawker, that's how gross they've become, especially the digital version.

02:17:34.360 I know the woman who runs it, and she's gone full tabloid.

02:17:38.900 This woman begs me behind the scenes for little tips about anybody. 0.99

02:17:42.400 She begs me for a crumb about any celebrity.

02:17:44.660 She'll stick the knife into any celebrity and then go to their face and say, oh, I'll do a lovely feature for you. 1.00

02:17:50.800 But trust me, she's calling people like me for dirt on any celebrity she can find.

02:17:56.380 So, People Magazine decided to blow this up, and people ran with it because they made it about me, which is always fun.

02:18:03.240 And Melissa Gilbert, the whole time, was obviously trying to cover up for the huge sexual molestation scandal that was about to break in her own marriage. 1.00

02:18:17.380 She's mentioned repeatedly in the police affidavit on buying the presents for the boys in what the cop is calling an atmosphere of grooming.

02:18:27.840 So, she's got to answer for some of these things, too. 0.62

02:18:32.060 And we now know she was on the phone call in which they outed all these complaints against Timothy Busfield by both boys and the touching of the genitalia. 0.68

02:18:41.500 She heard it all.

02:18:42.960 She heard it two weeks before she tried to cast herself as my moral better on the subject of abuse. 1.00

02:18:51.320 Melissa Gilbert, you can sit the fuck down. 1.00

02:18:54.120 You have been exposed. 1.00

02:18:56.080 Shame on you. 0.90

02:18:57.280 Shame on you for that cynical ploy.

02:18:59.340 Shame on you, People Magazine, for going along with it.

02:19:02.660 And shame on you, Timothy Busfield.

02:19:04.860 Because if you touched one hair on the heads of those boys, I hope they throw the full measure of the criminal and civil law against you.

02:19:16.140 And I hope if there is anything on those home computers or any record about anything untoward in your history, they find it.

02:19:23.760 But if you are innocent, you should come forward, you should turn yourself in, and you should fight these claims aggressively.

02:19:31.480 The way Jay-Z did, when he was wrongly accused, he gave a denial that sounded like that of an innocent man, saying,

02:19:39.360 it didn't happen, there will never be anything to prove it happened, and gave details.

02:19:44.920 He ran toward the truth, the truth, which is the sound of a true fact lover, of the truth lover.

02:19:51.820 I haven't seen Timothy Busfield do that so far.

02:19:54.140 I haven't seen Melissa Gilbert do it so far.

02:19:56.020 It doesn't mean they won't.

02:19:57.460 I look forward to hearing that and watching that case fall out or play out.

02:20:01.060 It's kind of none of my business from this point, other than as a news reporter.

02:20:05.060 But what they tried to do to yours truly is my business.

02:20:09.180 And I think all of these magazines who participate in these and letting these Hollywood celebs be virtue signalers, 0.50

02:20:16.460 especially around the issue of abuse, need to have their antenna up.

02:20:21.720 It's too rampant in your industry not to have some pause.

02:20:27.420 It's just too rampant.

02:20:28.420 I'm sorry, there's too much reason to suspect why a Hollywood actor or actress would be gratuitously,

02:20:36.780 spontaneously running to the Instagram or to the cameras to show everyone how virtuous they are in abuse,

02:20:44.440 because we've seen it happen time and time again, where within days or weeks or months or more,

02:20:49.800 they're outed as one of the worst.

02:20:52.960 Thank you all for listening.

02:20:55.140 Tomorrow, you're going to be live at the U.S. Supreme Court on one of the biggest cases,

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 12, 2026

Dangerous Anti-ICE Rhetoric Rises, Golden Globes Nonsense, and Shock Allegations Against Actor Timothy Busfield, with Mark Geragos and Matt Murphy ｜ Ep. 1228

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