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00:04:46.260 Matt, welcome back.

00:04:47.360 Great to have you.

00:04:48.160 We'll get to gold and all that.

00:04:49.720 But we've got to start with Mamdani.

00:04:52.440 And this guy who's closely linked with radical Islamists, like this imam who testified for the blind sheikh who bombed the World Trade Center in 1993.

00:05:04.940 Mamdani with his arms literally around that guy calling him a pillar of the community.

00:05:09.380 About to, as of the vote today, we believe, become the mayor of New York City.

00:05:14.980 What do you make of it?

00:05:15.640 Well, I think it's a disgrace.

00:05:18.600 I think it's a shame.

00:05:21.000 It shows us that, you know, on the right, we were obviously celebrating after Donald Trump's victory as well.

00:05:27.400 We should have.

00:05:27.900 And it was a huge victory.

00:05:29.760 And I think without Trump winning, we'd be in a much worse spot today.

00:05:33.180 But it certainly shows that the fight is not over, that there was a lot of talk, I think, among conservatives.

00:05:39.880 And maybe I even used the phrase of, like, the golden age.

00:05:42.740 We're entering the golden age.

00:05:44.520 And it's, you know, it's OK to be happy and celebrate.

00:05:47.840 And sometimes you take it a little too far and you say things like that.

00:05:50.740 But this is not quite the golden age yet because we've got a foreign communist from Uganda who doesn't even pretend to like this country, much less love it, who's about to take over the largest and most important city in the country.

00:06:07.200 And on top of that, I mean, this is, you know, if you were to go back, as many people have pointed out, if you were to go back to like 2002, let's say, and tell and stop anybody in New York City and tell them that in a couple of decades, the mayor would be an Islamist from Uganda who who holds, tries to hold, tries to hold other candidates to account for not being able to name a mosque.

00:06:35.660 That, like, not being able to name a mosque and not visiting a mosque is an attack line in a mayoral campaign in New York City.

00:06:44.480 You know, if you were to tell someone that in New York in 2002, they would not have been able to believe it.

00:06:48.440 And yet here we are.

00:06:50.960 It's going to happen.

00:06:51.980 I mean, the latest poll from Atlas Intel showed Cuomo within four, but that poll received some criticism for having too much heavily weighted Republicans and independents, which, of course, are not the dominant voting bloc.

00:07:05.860 In New York.

00:07:06.820 And it's amazing to me that this city, this great city, I mean, honestly, it's America's crown jewel.

00:07:12.480 It's the greatest city in the world, in my opinion, bar none, is about to be taken over by this, yes, communist, potentially radical Islamist.

00:07:20.100 I mean, he he's a wolf in sheep's clothing, Matt, because he's smiley.

00:07:25.880 He's very, very good at social media.

00:07:28.520 He knows how to talk a good game.

00:07:30.480 We aired a sod on our morning AM update show today of him being asked about the fact that Hakeem Jeffries moments after he endorsed him said, but is he the future of the Democratic Party?

00:07:40.240 No.

00:07:41.220 And the reporter asked, hey, what do you think of that?

00:07:42.940 And he said, oh, you know, I'm just focused on campaigning right now, working out my anxiety before Tuesday's vote by doing last minute con canvassing.

00:07:51.740 That's all very good answer.

00:07:53.540 Very smooth, smiley, focused relentlessly on affordability, which is an issue in New York, like in all major cities.

00:08:00.500 And the people, especially the young people, are buying it hook, line and sinker.

00:08:07.740 They are.

00:08:08.460 And this is what it shows, of course, is that the Democrat Party has not moderated at all.

00:08:12.540 They haven't they haven't backed down from any of their craziest positions in the slightest bit.

00:08:17.280 They're more radical than they've ever been.

00:08:18.760 They're more violent than they've ever been on top of it.

00:08:21.440 But I think Mamdani represents represents that.

00:08:24.120 And, you know, you mentioned he's potentially radical Islamist.

00:08:26.980 And this is one thing that's confusing for a lot of people, because you see that he's Islamic, you know, from Islamic, he's from Uganda.

00:08:35.240 And you hear conservatives sometimes worry about the importation of Sharia law into America.

00:08:40.020 But then you see, well, he's a far left radical.

00:08:42.680 I think he showed up at a gay club in New York City a couple of days ago.

00:08:46.160 And so you see that as he's not this is not a guy who represents Sharia law.

00:08:49.720 Well, he he might not himself personally, because he is a far left communist.

00:08:53.900 But he's going to open the floodgates even more to immigrants from that part of the world.

00:08:59.160 And that's how you end up kind of with both.

00:09:01.040 And I mean, already in New York City, I think it's 40 percent of the city was not born in this country.

00:09:06.280 Not even that they're immigrants, second generation immigrants, but 40 percent of the country was not of the city was not born in the country.

00:09:14.060 Twenty percent are not proficient in the English language.

00:09:17.380 And that's going to get that situation is going to get much worse under Mom Donnie and intentionally so.

00:09:24.220 And then at what point like at what point does does do you get to a point where it just doesn't work anymore?

00:09:29.260 Where like how can you function as a community, as a city at all if you can't do basic things like communicate with each other?

00:09:37.560 And, you know, I've raised this point. A lot of people have raised this point because it's very relevant to this.

00:09:43.620 I mean, this is how Mom Donnie is going to win.

00:09:45.340 He's going to win primarily because of all the foreign born left wingers.

00:09:50.060 Yes.

00:09:50.120 And the response has been, well, New York City has always been that way.

00:09:55.060 Go back 100 years and you'll find that 20 percent or more, you know, struggled with the English language.

00:10:01.320 And even if I were to accept that that's true for a second, this is a very it's very different kind of thing.

00:10:07.020 Yeah. You go back 100 years, 150 years, and there are a lot of immigrants.

00:10:11.540 But the immigrants now are different in two ways.

00:10:14.860 I mean, number one, these are third world immigrants from, you know, largely from the Muslim world.

00:10:20.400 That was not the case. That was not the case 100 years ago.

00:10:23.480 No.

00:10:24.220 And also, this is the most important part.

00:10:28.080 You're bringing in this foreign invasion of people who are not even interested in assimilating into American culture at all.

00:10:37.900 I mean, they actively hate America.

00:10:39.940 And yet they come here. Look at Mom Donnie.

00:10:41.660 I mean, he's he can't bring himself to say anything positive about America.

00:10:45.960 All he does is complain about it.

00:10:47.340 He has the gall.

00:10:48.620 He has the gumption to complain about Islamophobia.

00:10:52.440 That was his closing argument.

00:10:54.020 Basically, that's what he spent the last week of his campaign doing was complaining about Islamophobia,

00:10:58.660 making up the story about an aunt who never existed and felt uncomfortable wearing a hijab on the subway,

00:11:03.840 even though nothing happened to her, by the way, even in his fake story.

00:11:06.420 She just felt uncomfortable wearing it.

00:11:08.220 And somehow that's an example of Islamophobia.

00:11:10.320 And so it's just like total lack of gratitude for the country.

00:11:14.320 When in reality, you know, there was there was no wide scale persecution of Muslims after 9-11 at all.

00:11:22.440 The Muslims are safer in this country than they are in most Muslim majority countries.

00:11:27.400 And there's no gratitude for that, no attempt to assimilate.

00:11:31.860 And that's a big difference between the kind of immigration we have today in the year 2025 and the kind that we had in like 1905 or 1908.

00:11:40.820 We talked earlier this week about his father who teaches at Columbia, who wrote a book in which he argues that we need to de-stigmatize the suicide bomber.

00:11:52.760 That he has to be understood in a new light in modern day America, that he feels they've been wrongfully demonized.

00:11:58.820 The suicide bombers, that's the man who raised the obvious next mayor of New York, unless something dramatic happens today at the polls.

00:12:08.020 It's really outrageous.

00:12:09.140 And to think that apple fell far from the tree is to delude yourself because the mother, too, has been on record as saying there's nothing American about Zoran.

00:12:17.360 She's very proud.

00:12:18.040 He's not American at all.

00:12:19.940 He was raised in Uganda.

00:12:21.100 He's a Muslim.

00:12:21.920 He's not American.

00:12:23.220 You talk about how a lot of these Muslims, I don't know if they're radical or they're just Muslims, but either way, it's a problem because the tenets of Islam are not consistent with Western civilization.

00:12:34.020 And I'm sorry, but they should not be ascending to our mayors and our governors and so on because Islam is not consistent with the premises of the West, the basic premises that led to the Bill of Rights here in America.

00:12:45.640 And what you have is this argument about, oh, we're based or nation based on immigrants.

00:12:50.220 Yeah, like immigrants like my grandfather from Italy and then my grandfather on the other side from Ireland who desperately wanted to assimilate.

00:12:59.860 But if they didn't, you know, then you'd have some guy with an Irish brogue eating a lot of meat and potatoes and drinking a lot like that was the most significant downside to the Irish not potentially assimilating.

00:13:13.020 It's a very different story when you're talking about immigrants from Uganda who are Muslim at a minimum and potentially radicalized Muslims.

00:13:22.480 Right.

00:13:23.140 And and look, you know, America is a Christian country.

00:13:29.360 America was a Christian country at its foundation.

00:13:31.760 It was founded on Christian principles.

00:13:33.320 That's not up for debate.

00:13:34.660 It's just a historical reality.

00:13:36.240 It's a historical fact.

00:13:37.120 And one thing that you can't I know some people try to argue that and say, well, some of the founding fathers were deists or whatever.

00:13:45.780 And fine, some of them were.

00:13:47.480 But the vast majority of the people who founded this country, you know, the the the early settlers, the founders of this country, the pilgrims going all the back to the pilgrims were Christians.

00:13:56.940 And that's and that's just that's that's that's not up for debate at all.

00:14:01.720 But what you certainly can't argue is that they were Muslim.

00:14:06.200 I mean, that that certainly is not the case.

00:14:08.240 OK, so this is not a this is not a foundationally Muslim country.

00:14:12.720 And that's why you go to Dearborn, Michigan, which has basically become a Islamic capital right in the middle of the American heartland.

00:14:22.320 And and now if you're in Dearborn, you know, at five thirty in the morning, you might hear the Islamic call to prayer being blasted by the loudspeakers at the local mosque.

00:14:32.700 And, you know, met Mehdi Hassan.

00:14:34.960 I got into an argument with him recently because he said he said, well, what's the difference?

00:14:39.140 What's the difference between that and church bells?

00:14:42.000 It's no different.

00:14:43.220 Well, there's a couple of differences, Mehdi.

00:14:45.500 One one is that they don't the church bells don't chime at five thirty in the morning.

00:14:50.820 That's one thing.

00:14:51.660 But the other thing is that America is a Christian country that's always been a part of our culture.

00:14:57.920 Going back to its earliest days, you'd be if you were in your in your town, in your village, you would hear church bells ringing.

00:15:04.740 It's part of our culture.

00:15:05.980 And the Islamic call to prayer is not.

00:15:09.020 And, you know, we shouldn't be shy about saying that.

00:15:12.300 Not to mention when the prayers begin, all you hear is Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar,

00:15:19.160 which is exactly what the terrorists were screaming as they flew those planes into the buildings on 9-11.

00:15:25.020 That phrase is chilling for many of us who live through 9-11.

00:15:29.260 But Mamdani is most popular with young people under the age of 34, which is I think he's 33,

00:15:36.140 who really have no active memory of 9-11 whatsoever and with foreign born New Yorkers.

00:15:43.500 So that's who's going to put this guy over the top unless Andrew Cuomo manages to pull a rabbit out of a hat.

00:15:48.900 Matt, have you seen the the ballot that that New York City is providing voters?

00:15:55.760 It's insane.

00:15:57.260 I think we made a full screen of it.

00:15:59.000 But if you put it on the board, it shows Mamdani.

00:16:02.220 OK, we're showing it to several listening audience.

00:16:04.040 It shows like the first box there, Zoran Mamdani.

00:16:07.320 And then you've got a second box.

00:16:09.200 I can't quite read it, actually.

00:16:10.940 Oh, there's Curtis Lee in the second box and then somebody else in the third box.

00:16:15.680 And then a fourth box back to Zoran Mamdani and then back to Curtis.

00:16:20.720 And then Eric Adams is there in the top row.

00:16:24.200 You have to go down to the second row where the first three boxes are blank.

00:16:27.020 And then you get to another box, Jim Walden.

00:16:31.940 And then there's Andrew Cuomo finally in the one, two, three, four, five, six, seventh, eighth slot on their second row.

00:16:39.940 And then Joseph Hernandez.

00:16:41.660 So just the way this is set up to two opportunities to vote for Mamdani,

00:16:46.180 two for Curtis Lee, one for Andrew Cuomo on the second row over far to the right.

00:16:53.460 Yeah, and that and that really matters.

00:16:55.240 I mean, it's easy to say that that's nitpicky or whatever.

00:16:58.800 Will that really make a difference, you know, where the names show up on the ballot?

00:17:02.660 But it does matter.

00:17:05.120 And it especially matters in New York City, where, as we just established,

00:17:10.020 like a huge number of the voters are foreigners who weren't born in this country.

00:17:14.000 A lot of them don't even really speak English.

00:17:17.400 A large number of them probably have never voted in an American election before.

00:17:21.200 And so, you know, they're going to go in there.

00:17:22.960 And it's very confusing to sort your way through it.

00:17:25.880 And, you know, it's like the deck is stacked in his favor.

00:17:29.180 Although I will say that I think no matter how the ballot is presented,

00:17:34.240 I think that Zoram Mamdani will still probably win for all the reasons that we talked about.

00:17:40.260 By the way, I also just want to say that because I've thought a lot about this,

00:17:44.900 I think we all have about this kind of weird alliance that there is between the far left and Islam.

00:17:51.800 You know, like how does this work?

00:17:53.360 Why are you the far left trying to import the Islamic world into this country,

00:18:00.420 considering that they ideologically would not seem to have a whole lot in common?

00:18:04.040 But the answer to that, you know, this it's kind of a common enemy thing, enemy of my enemy.

00:18:10.720 The answer is that the people that bring it in, like Zoram Mamdani,

00:18:15.460 the one thing they have in common is that they hate white Americans.

00:18:20.060 They hate America generally.

00:18:22.040 And they're anti-Christian, right?

00:18:23.880 And so that's what the left has in common with them.

00:18:28.080 And, you know, I think that's—

00:18:29.440 That's so true, Matt.

00:18:31.180 So it's a very good observation.

00:18:32.440 You mentioned how he raised at the debate, Mamdani did, the fact,

00:18:37.380 what mosques have you been to, to Andrew Cuomo?

00:18:39.780 And then, of course, Andrew Cuomo on brand blew it and didn't turn to him and say,

00:18:44.840 what are you talking—none, none.

00:18:47.160 That's not a priority for me.

00:18:48.860 I'll be a mayor for everyone, but I don't need in New York City to visit a mosque

00:18:52.800 to know how to run this city well.

00:18:55.060 By the way, the biggest issue that most New Yorkers have after affordability

00:18:58.060 is the fact that there's garbage everywhere, all over the streets,

00:19:01.740 and the sanitation is a mess, both in the summer and the winter.

00:19:05.480 You've got rats running up and down the streets,

00:19:07.280 and you can't get any streets plowed during the winter

00:19:10.580 because they don't know how to manage their budgets.

00:19:12.460 So, like, no one gives a shit what mosques the future mayor has visited,

00:19:17.460 but that's Mamdani's push.

00:19:19.600 And in the days you mentioned on his closing messages about Islamophobia,

00:19:22.820 and then he drops this ad in Arabic.

00:19:27.780 Watch.

00:19:28.120 My Arabic needs some more.

00:19:44.220 Still, I want your support.

00:19:50.160 My Lord is hitting a cat.

00:19:53.080 Early voting's open.

00:19:54.080 Election day is November 4th.

00:19:59.620 This is unbelievable.

00:20:06.480 This is for mayor of New York City, Matt.

00:20:08.440 We're not talking about—he's not in Uganda anymore.

00:20:10.980 And that—he's leaning in.

00:20:13.040 You know, it's not like he's trying to hide his plans.

00:20:15.760 Linda Sarsour is his big, like, mentor who's—

00:20:20.400 she got kicked out of the Women's March organization

00:20:22.700 because they found her to be, like, far anti-Semitic.

00:20:26.280 And she's like, we're going to be keeping an eye on him,

00:20:28.360 and he better do what he said.

00:20:29.620 She doesn't—she wants him to disband this special police group

00:20:32.800 that breaks up these over-the-top leftist marches.

00:20:36.160 She's like, he better do it.

00:20:37.580 And this—he is leaning in.

00:20:39.560 And, I mean, you mentioned the guy in—you mentioned Dearborn, Michigan.

00:20:44.340 Now we've got Omar Fatté in Minneapolis, Minnesota,

00:20:46.960 who's also potentially going to win.

00:20:50.380 And this is the beginning of a trend.

00:20:52.780 I mean, it's one thing to go socialist.

00:20:54.200 To me, it's a very different thing to go Islamist.

00:20:57.780 Yeah.

00:20:58.520 You know, Omar Fatté's probably going to become

00:21:00.480 the next mayor of Minneapolis from Somalia.

00:21:04.120 And it's a similar situation in that he has, you know,

00:21:07.560 campaigned in a foreign language, basically.

00:21:09.900 You look at some of these—you look at the footage

00:21:11.740 from Omar Fatté's rallies, and you honestly—

00:21:14.240 if you didn't have any context, you would have no clue

00:21:16.600 that this was happening in America.

00:21:19.920 You would absolutely know.

00:21:20.620 If somebody woke up from a coma,

00:21:22.440 and they've been in a coma for the last 15 years,

00:21:24.020 and you showed them an Omar Fatté rally,

00:21:26.300 they would be shocked if you told them that this was happening.

00:21:29.860 If you just showed it to them and say,

00:21:30.760 well, where do you think this happened?

00:21:31.580 They would say, oh, well, Mogadishu, obviously.

00:21:33.800 And then if you said, this is Minneapolis,

00:21:36.900 they would be shocked.

00:21:38.120 And this is why, by the way, I think, you know,

00:21:42.320 I am a believer that laws sometimes can help.

00:21:45.660 You know, we should pass laws sometimes.

00:21:48.040 Not to solve every problem, but some problems.

00:21:50.320 And here's one where maybe we should have a law,

00:21:53.400 which says that if you are a political candidate,

00:21:57.120 if a politician or a candidate in this country,

00:22:00.420 you must campaign in English.

00:22:03.240 Like, it's actually, in my mind, should not be legal

00:22:06.440 for a political candidate in America to release an ad

00:22:11.380 or to do a campaign event in another language.

00:22:14.820 Because we speak English in this country,

00:22:17.020 and every voter in your district or in your city

00:22:21.380 or in your state should be in America.

00:22:24.900 We should all be able to understand what you're saying.

00:22:27.320 There should never be an occasion where I, as a voter,

00:22:30.240 if I'm in one of these cities,

00:22:31.240 and I speak English because this is an America,

00:22:33.900 where I can't understand what you're saying in an ad.

00:22:37.120 Yeah, you might put subtitles up,

00:22:38.420 but I don't actually know what you're saying.

00:22:39.960 And this is America.

00:22:40.720 I should be able to understand you.

00:22:42.060 And I think that's really basic.

00:22:43.260 And this is the kind of law that, you know, 20 years ago,

00:22:45.580 it's like you never thought it would even be necessary.

00:22:47.560 But I think it is now.

00:22:50.720 And this is just like really basic stuff.

00:22:53.800 This Omar Fateh, the guy running for mayor

00:22:55.840 against Jacob Fry, who's also terrible, in Minneapolis,

00:22:59.620 he, you mentioned, you know,

00:23:02.080 if you wake up at a time capsule and see this,

00:23:03.780 you'd think you were in Somalia.

00:23:05.440 And here is a bit of that.

00:23:07.160 I mean, it's really kind of remarkable.

00:23:08.580 Waving the Somali flag.

00:23:10.080 Watch.

00:23:10.400 We pulled a soundbite of it.

00:23:12.840 Somalia.

00:23:14.340 Hiran State.

00:23:14.980 I need your vote.

00:23:23.800 What is this?

00:23:24.760 Is this America or is this Somalia?

00:23:26.460 You love Somalia so much.

00:23:28.060 Go home.

00:23:28.920 It's just like Ilhan Omar.

00:23:30.560 They're coming over here.

00:23:32.440 And as Trump would say, they're not bringing their best.

00:23:34.760 I saw you propose on your show recently that they,

00:23:37.820 there should be a rule that if we look past,

00:23:41.020 you know, 10 years or so, go look back.

00:23:44.100 And, and there's some country that's sending

00:23:45.760 a bunch of their citizens over here.

00:23:48.660 And, and more than 10% of those folks

00:23:50.760 are on the public dole.

00:23:53.000 No more immigrants from those countries.

00:23:54.980 We're like, stay home.

00:23:57.260 Yeah.

00:23:57.720 I call that, I, you can kind of set the threshold

00:24:00.660 wherever you want.

00:24:01.320 It's a little bit arbitrary,

00:24:02.000 but let's just call it the 10, 10 rule.

00:24:04.260 And if 10% of the immigrants from a certain country,

00:24:06.980 first or second generation are on the public dole

00:24:09.880 or on food stamps or on a welfare program,

00:24:11.900 then we cut off immigration from that country for 10 years.

00:24:14.540 And I think it's actually pretty generous.

00:24:15.840 It's a high threshold.

00:24:16.620 I mean, you could certainly argue for setting it

00:24:17.900 at 5% or even 1% and then making the, you know,

00:24:20.740 and then, and then, and then, and then the time

00:24:23.300 when we shut off immigration could be 50 years

00:24:24.900 rather than 10.

00:24:25.900 But I, so I'm, I'm being very reasonable,

00:24:27.820 very generous setting it there.

00:24:29.020 I think, Hey, we do, we do currently.

00:24:31.220 And for, for a little bit longer,

00:24:33.020 we have this window now where we actually do

00:24:35.140 as conservatives, as Republicans,

00:24:36.980 we control Congress and the white house.

00:24:39.240 And so, Hey, I mean, like maybe someone

00:24:42.360 could pick up this mantle and, and, and run with it.

00:24:45.020 Um, and when it comes to Somalis in particular,

00:24:48.740 you know, and I, I don't know what the exact numbers are,

00:24:52.360 how many Somali immigrants are on welfare.

00:24:54.260 I'm sure that it's much higher than 10%.

00:24:56.160 It's much, um, but someone could look up the numbers

00:24:59.520 and it raises this question about,

00:25:02.040 and I, and I've been asking this

00:25:03.180 cause I'm, you know, I'm a simple man.

00:25:04.520 I ask simple questions.

00:25:05.320 It's kind of my thing.

00:25:06.860 So I would really like someone to explain,

00:25:09.160 why are we importing Somalis into this country at all?

00:25:13.780 Like, why, why, why are we doing that?

00:25:15.920 What's how's that good for us?

00:25:17.860 We've imported a lot of them to the point

00:25:19.880 where now they're basically taking over

00:25:21.700 a once great American city,

00:25:23.720 right in our heartland, you know, Minneapolis.

00:25:26.320 Um, and like, why are we doing that?

00:25:28.780 How does that benefit America?

00:25:30.900 I would just like someone, I'd like someone who agrees with this

00:25:33.700 to explain to me how it benefits America to import Somalis.

00:25:37.620 Because when you look at Somalia,

00:25:39.260 and this is why it's so funny that the Somalis come here,

00:25:42.580 like Ilhan Omar, like you say,

00:25:43.820 and then express all this pride in their country.

00:25:46.680 Well, their country is a hellhole.

00:25:48.300 I mean, it's a failed state.

00:25:49.640 It's, it is an absolute disaster zone.

00:25:52.680 That's why they come here in the first place.

00:25:54.880 And, um, and then what do you find?

00:25:56.660 Well, when you, when you, when you take people

00:25:58.900 from a failed state, a, a, a total catastrophe,

00:26:03.280 um, totally dysfunctional,

00:26:05.180 you take people from a dysfunctional,

00:26:06.760 an absolutely dysfunctional region of the world,

00:26:08.940 and you bring them here, what do you find?

00:26:12.360 Well, you find dysfunction here.

00:26:14.040 You've imported the dysfunction here.

00:26:16.680 And so why are we doing that?

00:26:18.280 How does that benefit us?

00:26:19.940 And whenever I ask this question, mostly it's ignored,

00:26:22.860 but if anyone attempts to answer it,

00:26:24.160 they always give answers about how it benefits Somalia.

00:26:27.140 They always, they always tell me that,

00:26:28.480 well, it's nice for Somalis that they're able to come here.

00:26:31.000 Do you really want to tell them that they can't come here?

00:26:32.780 Wouldn't that be mean?

00:26:33.560 Isn't that cruel?

00:26:35.060 Well, that's, that's not what I asked though.

00:26:36.480 I said, how does it benefit us?

00:26:38.100 What does it do for me?

00:26:39.120 What does it do for you?

00:26:39.940 What does it do for your family?

00:26:41.420 Sitting around the dinner table,

00:26:42.460 wherever you live, um,

00:26:43.900 to import Somalis into this country.

00:26:45.480 And if the answer is it doesn't benefit us at all,

00:26:49.220 well then I think that we shouldn't need the 10, 10 rule.

00:26:51.980 That's enough reason right there to just cut off that spigot entirely.

00:26:56.000 Um, because we should be having policies in this country that benefit

00:27:00.280 our country first and foremost.

00:27:02.300 If we don't do that, we're going to be London.

00:27:06.040 We're going to wind up like Germany.

00:27:07.800 We're going to have the same problems that they're having now with their cities,

00:27:12.600 their most beloved cities being overrun by Islamists whose values are completely

00:27:18.960 antithetical to those of the West.

00:27:21.460 I mean, that's, you tell me, Matt, what is the solution to preventing

00:27:25.200 our great American cities from falling in the way we've seen London fall,

00:27:29.500 where there are calls to take down the British flag now because it's triggering to all the Islamists.

00:27:35.380 Well, the, the only solution is what we've talked about is you have to cut it off.

00:27:38.940 You have to cut off the spigot.

00:27:39.940 You have to just turn it off.

00:27:41.100 And, um, and we, you know, we have to greatly raise the bar for who we allow

00:27:47.540 to come into this country.

00:27:49.080 We have to have some, some real pride in our country.

00:27:51.640 The way that, the way that these immigrants have apparently have pride in their,

00:27:55.220 in their homeland and they, they wave the flag and they talk about how great their country is.

00:27:59.500 And, um, in a certain way, I want to say like, in a certain way, uh, I, I admire that part of,

00:28:04.680 like I admire if you're a patriot for your home country and if you can love your country,

00:28:08.660 even if it's a total cesspool, even if it's just an absolute hell hole, you still love it.

00:28:13.680 Uh, I, I, I admire that.

00:28:15.620 Like that, that's, that's loyalty to your country.

00:28:17.400 I admire it now.

00:28:18.600 So I think you should go home and have that kind of loyalty for your country.

00:28:21.540 In fact, if you love it so much, then go home and try to fix it.

00:28:24.900 And, and that's the other thing too.

00:28:26.020 I know this is a little bit sidetracked, but if we're being told that, oh, well, you know,

00:28:30.600 we're importing Somalis, but we're importing the best ones.

00:28:32.860 We're importing the best Somalis.

00:28:34.200 Well, I don't know that there's any evidence of that.

00:28:36.020 And I don't know what qualifies as the best Somali,

00:28:37.680 but if we are, then that's, then if you really care about Somalia, I mean, I don't,

00:28:42.400 but if you do, then that's all the more reason to not bring them here.

00:28:45.760 Send them back.

00:28:46.740 Why are we importing the best ones?

00:28:48.020 Let them, let the best ones go back to their country and fix their country.

00:28:51.480 If they're so great.

00:28:52.440 I mean, if they can contribute to our country, if that's your claim,

00:28:54.660 they can help build our country.

00:28:56.040 I don't really see that they are, but if they can, well, then what could they,

00:28:58.640 they could work wonders in their own home country.

00:29:00.360 So for their own country's sake, you should send them back.

00:29:02.900 But anyway, uh, you know, having patriotism for your homeland.

00:29:06.540 And I, I, I support that.

00:29:08.700 I think every person, every, every person should,

00:29:11.320 should love their, their country.

00:29:12.720 And so we should love ours and we should have pride in it.

00:29:16.100 And we should have an attitude that says, look, coming here is a privilege.

00:29:20.900 You don't have any right.

00:29:22.020 You have no right to come here.

00:29:23.160 It's like the, the entire, there's 8 billion people in the world.

00:29:26.200 Do they all have a right to come here?

00:29:27.640 I mean, it's like, it's impossible.

00:29:28.860 We can't have them all.

00:29:29.680 So you, you don't, you don't have a right to it.

00:29:32.080 It's a privilege.

00:29:33.740 And, uh, so if we're going to let you come here, you got to prove to us that you have

00:29:38.640 something to offer us.

00:29:39.600 Yes.

00:29:39.760 As Americans, right.

00:29:41.300 We should have the attitude, be a little bit selfish as Americans, selfish for our country

00:29:45.080 and say, what's in it for us.

00:29:47.480 You know, when we bring in someone from Somalia or anywhere else or Uganda, what's in it for

00:29:51.740 me?

00:29:52.040 Why, why are we, what's in it for my family?

00:29:54.120 I got my, my, my American family.

00:29:56.980 We've, we've lived here our entire lives.

00:29:58.640 My children were born here.

00:29:59.960 What's in it for them to bring you in here?

00:30:02.540 That's my question.

00:30:03.340 And that's the question we should all be asking.

00:30:06.500 And, uh, and when we have that attitude, then it becomes obvious.

00:30:09.180 Okay.

00:30:09.380 We just have to, it doesn't mean that we can never have another immigrant into this country

00:30:12.180 ever again.

00:30:12.620 Now, I, I, I tend to think that there should be an immigration moratorium, that we should

00:30:16.740 just shut it off for a period of time, but at our limit, right.

00:30:20.400 We're at our limit, but, but eventually you're going to, you're going to open it up

00:30:23.340 again.

00:30:23.620 And when you do that, um, I think we need to greatly raise the bar for, for who we allow

00:30:29.040 in.

00:30:29.780 Yeah.

00:30:30.300 And I think the other part to this is we have to get honest again about what Islam is and

00:30:37.980 what, what its tenants are and whether this is actually the profile of the future leaders

00:30:43.160 we want in our American cities.

00:30:44.520 I mean, just take an honest look at it and not be shamed by the, the made up term Islamophobia.

00:30:49.400 Um, that, that is not a thing you are allowed to criticize Islam.

00:30:53.280 There's absolutely no problem with it.

00:30:54.700 It's a political doctrine as much as it is a quote religion.

00:30:58.060 And it's absolutely subject to being criticized.

00:31:00.560 And who cares if you get called is an Islamophobe?

00:31:03.120 I mean, that's whatever we've all been called worse.

00:31:05.620 Okay.

00:31:06.080 Let's keep going.

00:31:07.460 So unfortunately there's a, there's a war, uh, unfolding on the right amongst people you

00:31:13.700 and I both love, um, and our pal Ben and our pal Tucker are not getting along.

00:31:21.100 They haven't been getting along a long time.

00:31:22.620 I saw a very interesting discussion.

00:31:24.060 You guys on the daily wire did about it with the whole crew.

00:31:26.000 They are kind of talking about what was happening on the right and whether people needed to be

00:31:30.040 excommunicated from the right.

00:31:31.920 Well, this all exploded into the public, uh, forum even more over the past few days because

00:31:36.380 last week Tucker hosted Nick Fuentes, who is, I mean, an open white nationalist.

00:31:42.620 He said extremely racist things.

00:31:44.780 It's kind of his bread and butter, um, and antisemitic things and not, not like the kind

00:31:50.260 that's now the, the flavor, uh, for some where it's like, if you say anything about Israel,

00:31:54.240 you're considered an antisemite, genuinely antisemitic things.

00:31:57.460 I mean, he's questioned whether 6 million Jews actually died in the Holocaust.

00:32:01.020 He's praised Hitler.

00:32:02.080 Um, he, he called, this is an antisemitic, but he called J.D. Vance's wife, Usha Ajit,

00:32:08.220 which I didn't even know what that was, but I know enough to know it's not a compliment.

00:32:11.280 Sounds like a racial slur.

00:32:13.400 We could be here all day.

00:32:14.780 Tucker put him on, I think because Tucker puts on a lot of provocative people.

00:32:18.560 He interviewed the president of Iran.

00:32:20.160 He interviewed Vladimir Putin.

00:32:21.740 He interviewed Andrew Tate.

00:32:22.940 He's not afraid of like quote platforming people who are controversial.

00:32:27.420 And also Tucker and Nick Fuentes have been going at it themselves for quite some time.

00:32:31.980 And I think he thought it might be interesting to just have him on and have it out, which he did.

00:32:36.420 But then he came under fire by a lot of people for quote platforming, right?

00:32:40.300 Which you're not allegedly allowed to do.

00:32:42.860 And one of the reasons I don't like Nick Fuentes is because years ago,

00:32:46.380 I saw him play a little video game in a clip that was circulating on X-Map

00:32:49.820 in which a young man was running, wearing a yarmulke.

00:32:54.480 And he was shooting this man in his video game, calling him Ben Shapiro.

00:32:59.000 I mean, it was really vile stuff.

00:33:02.340 So, Tucker came under criticism because it wasn't a confrontational interview.

00:33:07.600 It was more like a Joe Rogan approach, you know, where you just kind of ask the guy how he feels,

00:33:11.960 what he stands for, what he doesn't.

00:33:13.640 Here's a little bit of how it went.

00:33:14.720 I mean, as far as the Jews are concerned, I think that, like I said, you cannot actually divorce

00:33:23.500 Israel and the neocons and all of those things that you talk about from Jewishness.

00:33:30.140 There's a deep religious affection for the state.

00:33:33.340 It's bound up in their identity.

00:33:34.840 The story of the exodus from Egypt, the promise of the land, all these things.

00:33:38.180 So, let's say in the United States, for example, somebody like a Sheldon Adelson, he's not Israeli.

00:33:45.260 Is he an ideological neocon?

00:33:47.320 Does he believe in the promise of democratic globalism?

00:33:49.840 I don't think necessarily.

00:33:51.660 His heart is in Israel.

00:33:53.860 And it's because he is a proud Jewish person.

00:33:57.240 And I guess what I'm saying is that if you are a Jewish person in America, you're sort of,

00:34:02.480 and again, it's not because they're born, but it's sort of a rational self-interest politically to say,

00:34:09.380 I'm a minority.

00:34:11.160 I'm a religious ethnic minority.

00:34:13.500 This is not really my home.

00:34:15.880 My ancestral home is in Israel.

00:34:18.440 There's like a natural affinity that Jews have for Israel.

00:34:22.280 And I would say on top of that, for the international Jewish community.

00:34:27.920 Sheldon Adelson, by the way, is dead.

00:34:29.480 He died in 2021, but was a big donor, and his wife Miriam is now a big donor.

00:34:34.220 Okay, so cue the internet pile on Tucker.

00:34:37.140 Like, he's got to be excommunicated from the right because he hosted Nick Fuentes,

00:34:42.600 which was a sin in the eyes of many.

00:34:44.960 Kevin Roberts of the Heritage Foundation weighed in, backing Tucker, saying we don't cancel people

00:34:49.200 for platforming others.

00:34:52.420 And then a lot of people said it doesn't matter.

00:34:54.660 Like, it's not about canceling Tucker.

00:34:56.760 It's about ostracizing him, you know, sort of cutting him out of polite conversation.

00:35:01.300 And then yesterday, Ben, and Ben's been attacked by Tucker.

00:35:04.920 Tucker's attacked Ben.

00:35:05.680 It's gone back and forth, back and forth.

00:35:07.200 Ben did a whole show on this issue, and here's a little bit of how that sounded.

00:35:10.220 Americans hate Nick Fuentes' philosophy.

00:35:15.060 They think it's trash.

00:35:16.480 Republicans, by the polling, think it's trash.

00:35:19.020 Independents think it's trash.

00:35:20.780 Democrats think it's trash.

00:35:22.820 And here's the other thing.

00:35:24.200 Americans hate Tucker Carlson's laundered anti-Americanism.

00:35:28.000 If they get their way, they will hollow out the Republican Party,

00:35:31.000 lead it to electoral catastrophe, and empty it,

00:35:33.620 and the country of any semblance of decency in the process.

00:35:36.540 My answer is no.

00:35:38.780 No to the Groypers.

00:35:40.440 No to their publicists, like Tucker Carlson.

00:35:43.080 No to those who champion them.

00:35:45.000 No to demoralization.

00:35:46.780 No to bigotry and anti-meritocratic horseshit.

00:35:50.160 No to anti-Americanism.

00:35:52.300 No.

00:35:53.260 This is our country.

00:35:55.180 This is our party.

00:35:56.580 And this is our conservative movement.

00:35:58.900 And I will not stand by while it is handed over to those

00:36:01.740 who betray the most fundamental principles

00:36:03.840 I have spent my entire life defending and advocating.

00:36:06.840 That is a path to defeat and a path to moral oblivion.

00:36:11.660 I reject it because if we lose the right, we will lose to the left.

00:36:16.220 And either way, we'll lose the country.

00:36:18.000 Okay, just a quick programming note.

00:36:21.480 Tomorrow, we have Tucker Carlson on our next leg of my tour.

00:36:26.600 And the night after that, we have Ben Shapiro,

00:36:28.280 which is something I pride myself on,

00:36:30.320 being a show where both of those guys could come

00:36:32.280 and trying to do as little as possible to divide the right,

00:36:36.060 which I think is a force for good in this world, unlike the left.

00:36:39.260 However, this controversy is front and center

00:36:42.480 on virtually every right-wing website there is, Matt.

00:36:44.740 And you're right in the middle of it, as am I, in a way, both of us.

00:36:47.580 So how are you looking at this?

00:36:50.360 Yeah, look, there's a few things here.

00:36:53.600 And, yeah, I do find myself,

00:36:55.280 and I know that you've caught plenty of flack also,

00:36:57.840 in a similar way, being sort of in the middle of this.

00:37:02.620 And it's, you know, look, both of those guys,

00:37:07.260 Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson, they're both friends of mine,

00:37:10.000 as I know they are, you, Megan.

00:37:11.840 And so when I get this, people on both sides

00:37:18.040 that are constantly screaming in my ear,

00:37:21.860 and it's been this way for a long time,

00:37:23.460 but in particular over the last couple of weeks,

00:37:24.900 and in particular over the last, like, 24 hours,

00:37:26.580 demanding that I disavow, you know,

00:37:29.540 disavow, denounce one or the other of those guys.

00:37:34.220 And I'm just not going to do that.

00:37:37.800 It's just not ever going to happen.

00:37:39.760 I mean, not ever.

00:37:41.220 It's not ever going to happen.

00:37:42.760 And is that because, you know,

00:37:45.660 I agree with everything that either one of them say?

00:37:49.020 No.

00:37:49.640 I mean, we don't have to agree on everything at all.

00:37:52.640 We can have disagreements.

00:37:53.780 We should have disagreements.

00:37:54.600 As you pointed out, Megan,

00:37:56.180 we've talked about some of this stuff at The Daily Wire.

00:37:59.940 I've talked about it with Ben.

00:38:00.740 We've had these, like, debates in the open.

00:38:02.500 So, yeah, we can have disagreements.

00:38:04.680 But when it comes to disavow, condemn, denounce,

00:38:08.680 that's an entirely different thing.

00:38:10.500 And I'm not going to do that

00:38:12.020 because I don't do that to my friends.

00:38:14.800 And, I mean, it really is that simple.

00:38:16.320 And you can either respect that or not.

00:38:18.220 I don't really care.

00:38:19.680 But loyalty is a principle that is incredibly, deeply important to me.

00:38:26.740 And so when I hear the response,

00:38:28.440 oh, but you need to stand on principle,

00:38:30.380 well, loyalty is a principle.

00:38:31.920 And to me, it's, as a man,

00:38:34.300 it's one of the most important principles that you can hold.

00:38:36.960 As a human being, it's one of the most important principles.

00:38:39.680 And so if there's someone who I know in person,

00:38:44.260 like, this is not all just on Twitter.

00:38:45.840 This is not, we're not just talking heads,

00:38:48.680 you know, talking to cameras.

00:38:50.380 We're also, like, people.

00:38:51.760 And we have, actually have lives outside of all of this stuff.

00:38:55.700 And so if there's someone who I actually know

00:38:58.220 and I've sat down and had dinner with them,

00:39:00.740 I've sat at their dinner table,

00:39:01.640 I have their phone number, I can call them.

00:39:03.740 You know, if I have a disagreement,

00:39:05.020 I can call them privately and I can tell them

00:39:07.000 and we can hash it out.

00:39:08.480 Someone like, someone who's supported me,

00:39:11.340 someone who, you know, someone like that.

00:39:14.840 The idea that I would stand in public

00:39:17.180 and condemn and denounce and disavow

00:39:19.800 is just totally anathema to me.

00:39:21.680 I cannot do it.

00:39:23.720 I won't ever do it.

00:39:25.580 Not to someone who's a friend.

00:39:28.940 I just, I won't.

00:39:30.600 And when someone does that to me, as has happened,

00:39:34.320 I consider it to be just unforgivable treachery.

00:39:40.180 That you, and I've had this happen to me

00:39:42.200 where I say something and, you know,

00:39:44.920 sure, people can disagree with it.

00:39:46.820 I say a lot of things people can disagree with.

00:39:48.680 But I'll have someone who I know personally

00:39:51.260 and they have my phone number

00:39:52.820 and they could just call me.

00:39:54.360 But instead I go on Twitter

00:39:55.900 and I see that they've issued this like denunciation.

00:39:59.920 And it's like, dude, I just saw you a week ago.

00:40:02.560 What's going on here?

00:40:04.360 I consider that to be just treacherous.

00:40:06.960 And I'm not going to do that to anybody else.

00:40:09.860 I will just never.

00:40:10.640 But that's the first thing.

00:40:14.920 And the second thing also,

00:40:16.600 and I've, one of the reasons why I'm catching a lot of shit

00:40:19.320 is that my stance has been

00:40:22.480 that I want to focus our fire,

00:40:26.820 metaphorically, on the left.

00:40:29.040 That we are dealing with people who truly, truly want us dead.

00:40:35.780 And they just killed my friend, your friend, Megan, and Charlie.

00:40:41.760 And they spent a month, they spent two months,

00:40:43.880 they're still celebrating it, like dancing on his grave.

00:40:47.100 And so that's what we're dealing with.

00:40:51.740 And that's where I want to focus.

00:40:54.480 I mean, I think about,

00:40:56.300 I think it was a day after Charlie was killed.

00:41:00.100 I put out a tweet where I said this,

00:41:02.340 where I said, you know, that, look, I'm not focused.

00:41:08.040 I know there are a lot of disputes and debates on the right.

00:41:11.000 And I'm not saying that they're totally unimportant.

00:41:13.640 But I want to put that all off to a different day.

00:41:16.360 And right now, you know, it's very clear who the enemies are.

00:41:19.540 And they are the people who are trying to kill us and want us dead.

00:41:21.960 And I want to focus on that.

00:41:23.120 And I said that a day after Charlie was killed.

00:41:25.200 And the response I got was wide agreements.

00:41:29.720 I mean, there were a few people that were upset about it,

00:41:33.720 you know, conservatives.

00:41:34.980 But it was almost like 98% approval to that sentiment

00:41:39.760 a day after Charlie was killed.

00:41:41.080 The tweet got like 150,000 likes or something like that.

00:41:44.580 Well, I said the exact same thing only a month later.

00:41:48.440 Just the exact same sentiment, almost verbatim.

00:41:51.120 Certainly the same idea.

00:41:52.340 And the reaction was 180 degrees the opposite.

00:41:58.240 Where rather than wide agreement,

00:42:01.360 it was everybody screaming at me on both sides.

00:42:05.700 Well, how dare you say that?

00:42:07.300 How could you, you know,

00:42:08.400 assuming that I'm taking someone's side or the other side

00:42:10.580 by saying that.

00:42:12.260 And it's like, it's only a month later.

00:42:15.780 I mean, have we already?

00:42:17.020 This time of unity lasted for four weeks?

00:42:21.700 Really?

00:42:23.140 And we just can't afford this right now.

00:42:26.000 I mean, they just killed Charlie Kirk,

00:42:27.780 one of our most important leaders on the right.

00:42:31.380 And he's gone now.

00:42:33.580 And do we really want to let them win?

00:42:35.640 Do we really want to tell the left that,

00:42:37.060 hey, it worked?

00:42:38.760 Because you took out one of our most important leaders,

00:42:41.220 and now we're going to spend the next however many months

00:42:44.320 or years eating each other alive?

00:42:46.680 No, we can't do that.

00:42:49.800 We can't afford that.

00:42:51.680 And so that's where I want our energy to be focused,

00:42:54.880 on these people who, again,

00:42:57.840 like really, truly want us dead.

00:42:59.900 Here's what I know.

00:43:00.680 Here's what I know for sure.

00:43:02.780 There are plenty of conservatives who don't like me.

00:43:06.000 They've made that clear.

00:43:07.200 And that's fine.

00:43:09.280 And there are a lot of people on the left who don't like me.

00:43:10.780 None of them do.

00:43:12.300 But what I know for sure,

00:43:13.600 and this is what makes it really clear for me,

00:43:14.980 this is the clarifying thing for me.

00:43:17.060 What I know is that if I walk outside of my house tomorrow

00:43:22.380 and I get shot and killed,

00:43:25.720 which I'm not saying is likely to happen.

00:43:27.900 It could happen.

00:43:28.920 I mean, but, you know, it could happen anyway.

00:43:32.080 If that were to happen,

00:43:34.200 I don't think any conservative would be celebrating that.

00:43:38.080 I don't think any of them would.

00:43:39.380 I think even the ones who have an issue with me

00:43:40.800 would not be celebrating it.

00:43:41.800 They would be mourning.

00:43:43.760 But what I know for sure is that

00:43:45.560 99.9% of the left

00:43:49.720 would not be able to contain their glee.

00:43:54.540 Okay?

00:43:54.900 They would piss on my grave

00:43:56.620 and laugh in the faces of my grieving wife

00:43:59.700 and my six children.

00:44:02.740 That's what they would do.

00:44:03.980 And we all know it.

00:44:05.520 Okay?

00:44:05.780 So it's really easy for me to look at that dynamic

00:44:08.680 and look at those people over there

00:44:10.400 who are just waiting for an opportunity

00:44:12.460 to laugh at my children

00:44:15.320 who just lost their father.

00:44:16.780 It's easy for me to look at them and say,

00:44:18.780 okay, well, that's the enemy.

00:44:20.240 And those are the people

00:44:21.420 that I'm going to oppose

00:44:22.880 with every breath in my body

00:44:24.700 while I still have breath.

00:44:26.160 Okay?

00:44:26.760 That's it.

00:44:27.440 That's the fight.

00:44:28.680 And that's where I am just going to stay focused.

00:44:31.700 And I don't care.

00:44:33.280 People can be mad about it all they want,

00:44:34.860 but that's where my focus is going to stay.

00:44:36.380 I think it's where all of our focus should be.

00:44:38.560 I love everything you said.

00:44:40.300 I totally endorse and agree with all of it, Matt.

00:44:43.520 It's been so frustrating.

00:44:45.740 And I've been thinking about,

00:44:47.020 there's this young podcaster

00:44:48.180 who's just starting out, a female,

00:44:50.280 and she got attacked recently.

00:44:52.180 And I sent her a text saying,

00:44:53.860 here's what you need to know.

00:44:55.440 The right will attack you,

00:44:56.920 but it'll be temporary and fleeting

00:44:58.620 and they'll move on.

00:44:59.620 And when the chips are down,

00:45:01.100 they'll have your back.

00:45:02.160 They will have your back.

00:45:03.400 The left will attack you

00:45:04.360 and will actually want you dead.

00:45:05.680 They will want you destroyed and or dead.

00:45:07.960 So it's like, we have intra, you know,

00:45:10.360 squabbles over on the right,

00:45:11.700 but when push comes to shove,

00:45:13.760 we tend to back each other.

00:45:15.320 You know, and I was talking about this,

00:45:16.440 I think recently with Ben, even.

00:45:17.720 You know, you and I,

00:45:18.480 we've had dust-ups around like women,

00:45:21.220 that kind of thing.

00:45:21.960 But you've always had my back in the big picture

00:45:24.200 and I have yours too.

00:45:25.500 And same with Tucker and Ben,

00:45:27.580 with respect to you, with respect to me.

00:45:29.540 Those two really don't like each other

00:45:30.800 for other reasons.

00:45:31.680 But it's, to me, it's so sad to see

00:45:35.100 like the right-on-right violence,

00:45:38.080 you know, rhetorical violence,

00:45:39.800 because we need each other.

00:45:42.060 Those two are both huge powerhouses.

00:45:44.340 And, you know, we don't want a house divided

00:45:46.600 when we're fighting the true enemy,

00:45:48.120 which is these radical leftists.

00:45:49.940 And I think what they're really fighting over

00:45:52.020 is Israel.

00:45:53.460 When you boil it down,

00:45:54.740 they're fighting over Israel.

00:45:55.680 I know people call Tucker an anti-Semite.

00:45:57.720 I genuinely don't believe that.

00:45:58.760 He's gotten very critical of Israel

00:46:00.680 and he's allowed to have those views.

00:46:02.440 And Ben is very defensive of Israel.

00:46:04.380 He'll criticize Israel too.

00:46:05.980 But as a general matter,

00:46:07.620 he's defensive of Israel.

00:46:09.300 And I just feel like,

00:46:10.460 how are we letting that issue?

00:46:11.700 Yes, it does relate to America.

00:46:13.580 Yes, right now it's very much in the news.

00:46:15.300 But it's like such a small percentage

00:46:17.540 of what we need to be worrying about.

00:46:20.360 Like when you look back,

00:46:21.500 you zoom out at America and its problems.

00:46:23.980 This is not even in the top three.

00:46:27.500 And yet we're spending so much energy on it,

00:46:29.800 more than I think is warranted.

00:46:32.240 And I think you and I in particular

00:46:33.520 may be feeling that

00:46:34.320 because your show, like mine,

00:46:36.160 does not really focus that much on foreign policy.

00:46:39.320 We're worried mostly about America,

00:46:41.580 about politics in America,

00:46:43.000 about culture wars in America.

00:46:44.800 We don't get neck deep

00:46:46.300 into like exactly how the IDF

00:46:48.340 is fighting its foreign wars, you know?

00:46:50.520 And so it's extremely frustrating

00:46:52.020 for people like you and me to,

00:46:54.060 when people try to drag us,

00:46:55.620 kicking and screaming,

00:46:57.180 into some very complex,

00:46:59.360 longstanding battle about a foreign country

00:47:01.700 that we're really not covering day to day.

00:47:05.340 Yeah, and I, look, I have been,

00:47:07.940 there are things I've changed my mind about,

00:47:09.760 and that's part of being a person,

00:47:11.140 part of being a human being

00:47:11.960 and having a brain

00:47:12.480 is you change your mind on stuff.

00:47:13.640 And my views have evolved

00:47:15.100 on certain things over the years.

00:47:16.980 But I think for the most part,

00:47:19.300 I have been, you know,

00:47:21.520 very consistent on most things.

00:47:25.580 And if anything,

00:47:27.040 that if you want to criticize me,

00:47:28.240 you should criticize me on that end.

00:47:29.420 Like if anything,

00:47:29.800 I'm too stubborn

00:47:30.460 and unwilling to change my views on things.

00:47:32.580 And the more that you scream at me

00:47:34.040 to change my view,

00:47:35.040 then the more likely I am

00:47:36.100 to just hold on to that view,

00:47:37.280 sometimes out of spite.

00:47:38.140 I'll admit that I do that sometimes.

00:47:39.740 That's just how I'm wired.

00:47:41.200 All that to say,

00:47:41.980 when it comes to Israel,

00:47:44.000 my position on this

00:47:45.300 has been always been the same.

00:47:47.640 I mean, you could go back,

00:47:49.020 you could go back to the days

00:47:51.020 when I had a blog

00:47:52.180 that hardly anyone read

00:47:53.160 back in like 2013.

00:47:55.200 And you'll find the same sentiment.

00:47:58.860 And the sentiment is this.

00:48:00.220 I don't care.

00:48:02.300 Like, I just don't care

00:48:03.900 about this foreign country.

00:48:06.920 I really don't.

00:48:08.980 And that's why the other thing,

00:48:10.020 if you go back

00:48:10.560 and you like go check my record

00:48:11.820 and what have I said about Israel?

00:48:13.200 Well, you'll find is like,

00:48:14.100 I've said very little about it.

00:48:15.320 That's the other thing.

00:48:15.900 I very rarely talk about it.

00:48:17.900 You know, I had a blog

00:48:18.620 that I ran independently

00:48:19.520 for two years.

00:48:20.320 I didn't work for anybody.

00:48:21.620 And I had, I think,

00:48:22.940 one post about it,

00:48:23.920 just one of hundreds,

00:48:25.580 just one time, one time.

00:48:27.180 And it's always been that.

00:48:29.760 No matter where I've worked,

00:48:30.640 no matter if I work for myself

00:48:31.640 or anyone else,

00:48:32.400 I rarely have ever talked about it.

00:48:34.600 And the reason is

00:48:35.580 that I just don't care.

00:48:39.020 And it's not,

00:48:39.940 it doesn't mean

00:48:40.380 that you can't care, right?

00:48:41.560 It doesn't mean

00:48:42.040 that other people can't care.

00:48:43.280 It doesn't even mean

00:48:44.940 that it's not important,

00:48:46.440 you know,

00:48:47.000 sort of objectively.

00:48:48.160 It's just not important to me.

00:48:49.520 It's not what I focus on.

00:48:51.240 I don't focus on foreign countries.

00:48:53.300 It's not,

00:48:53.760 it's not what I'm worried about.

00:48:55.380 I'm worried about America

00:48:56.440 and American culture.

00:48:57.540 And that is really,

00:48:58.920 truly my view.

00:49:00.060 And it always has been.

00:49:01.540 Um, and, and I agree that

00:49:05.460 for this to be like the central issue

00:49:09.280 that's ripping us apart,

00:49:10.600 uh, that just makes the whole thing

00:49:12.300 even harder to swallow

00:49:13.660 because I, I don't want us

00:49:14.720 to be ripped apart over anything

00:49:16.160 for the reasons I just stated,

00:49:17.560 but especially over,

00:49:19.960 over this of all things,

00:49:21.340 because look, um,

00:49:24.280 no matter what's going on with Israel,

00:49:26.760 uh, most of the,

00:49:28.760 uh, of, of the problems

00:49:30.200 that we have in our country

00:49:31.580 and in our communities,

00:49:32.280 the problems that like really affect

00:49:33.640 you and affect your family

00:49:35.380 and your children,

00:49:36.100 uh, those would all be the same

00:49:38.120 regardless.

00:49:38.840 And so that's why,

00:49:40.580 that's why I'm,

00:49:41.440 I'm focused on that.

00:49:42.800 And, you know,

00:49:44.520 and that's, that's it.

00:49:46.360 I mean, that's, that,

00:49:47.220 that is really just the truth.

00:49:48.420 And the other thing

00:49:49.280 that's frustrating is that,

00:49:50.380 um, because every time I say that,

00:49:52.520 it's like, well,

00:49:52.780 you're just saying that because,

00:49:54.160 and I get it from both sides.

00:49:55.200 It's like, well,

00:49:55.580 you're just saying that

00:49:56.300 because you work for Ben Shapiro

00:49:57.420 or you're,

00:49:58.400 or from the other side,

00:49:59.040 you're just saying that

00:49:59.700 because you're trying to appease

00:50:00.800 the anti-Semites.

00:50:02.380 It's like,

00:50:03.060 have you ever considered

00:50:04.120 that I might be saying it

00:50:05.080 just because it's what I think?

00:50:06.320 I mean, I might,

00:50:07.380 I just actually be what I think.

00:50:09.480 And I, I'd love to be,

00:50:10.800 to get to a point in this country

00:50:12.120 where we can have conversations

00:50:13.700 where you just like,

00:50:16.160 you, you take someone's argument

00:50:17.800 and you engage with it

00:50:19.060 rather than trying to read their mind

00:50:22.180 and figure out what really motivates it.

00:50:24.820 Because to me,

00:50:25.560 that's like 90% now of political debate.

00:50:28.220 This is why debates are totally fruitless

00:50:30.600 is that 90% of it is this,

00:50:32.680 where someone doesn't respond to the argument.

00:50:34.240 Instead, they say,

00:50:34.940 well, you're really saying that

00:50:36.880 because no.

00:50:39.180 Okay.

00:50:39.420 You can't read my mind.

00:50:40.880 Okay.

00:50:41.360 And why don't you just,

00:50:43.680 just take what I said,

00:50:44.920 take the argument itself.

00:50:46.320 Let, let's talk about that.

00:50:47.480 Let's engage with that.

00:50:49.280 Um, not everything is like a conspiracy.

00:50:52.880 Not every,

00:50:53.380 sometimes people really just

00:50:54.920 give their opinion about something.

00:50:57.040 And, uh, that is my opinion

00:50:58.880 and it has been my opinion

00:51:00.300 literally for as long

00:51:02.700 as I've had any kind of platform at all.

00:51:05.280 Yes.

00:51:07.700 And the, the other point is,

00:51:09.040 uh, we have to take a break,

00:51:10.320 but we're coming back with Matt.

00:51:11.260 But the other point is

00:51:12.520 you, Matt Walsh,

00:51:14.080 are responsible

00:51:14.780 for what you, Matt Walsh, say.

00:51:18.380 I am responsible

00:51:19.660 for what I say.

00:51:21.520 Neither one of us

00:51:22.520 is responsible for Ben or Tucker.

00:51:25.080 And I, I think I speak for us both

00:51:26.940 when I say,

00:51:28.000 and we will not let you shame us

00:51:30.100 into adopting, defending,

00:51:31.640 or whatever anyone else's words.

00:51:35.100 We're responsible for our shows

00:51:36.460 and the content they're on.

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00:53:51.020 Here with me today,

00:53:52.240 Matt Walsh.

00:53:53.000 He's host of the Daily Wire's

00:53:54.480 Matt Walsh show.

00:53:56.680 And really,

00:53:58.260 probably the best person

00:53:59.300 in the United States

00:54:00.240 when it comes to

00:54:01.020 the trans issue

00:54:01.880 and has made the biggest difference

00:54:03.800 in the United States.

00:54:04.640 He's our J.K. Rowling

00:54:05.560 in many ways,

00:54:06.800 who was calling out this bullshit

00:54:08.380 ahead of its time.

00:54:10.800 Matt,

00:54:11.880 there's more in the news

00:54:13.380 on this front.

00:54:14.320 And it was a great,

00:54:15.120 it was a great post

00:54:16.200 by this woman

00:54:16.980 who was going to the Gold's Gym

00:54:19.200 in California.

00:54:19.960 Her name is Tish Hyman.

00:54:21.520 She says she's a lesbian.

00:54:23.300 She,

00:54:23.740 you know,

00:54:24.620 so she's not anti-LGBTQ.

00:54:26.280 That's her point.

00:54:27.200 But she went to the Gold's Gym

00:54:28.860 in Los Angeles

00:54:29.900 over the weekend,

00:54:30.940 I think this was,

00:54:31.620 the video posted yesterday.

00:54:33.480 And she got kicked out

00:54:35.980 because she objected to a man

00:54:38.780 I would say posing as a woman,

00:54:41.740 but I mean just barely.

00:54:43.520 He's making very little effort

00:54:45.360 at the gym

00:54:47.280 using the women's locker room

00:54:48.800 and bathroom.

00:54:50.000 And she was naked

00:54:51.740 and he was in there

00:54:53.440 staring at her.

00:54:55.040 And they asked her to leave

00:54:56.380 when she complained.

00:54:57.680 Here's first,

00:54:59.340 here she is in the Gold's Gym

00:55:00.860 getting kicked out

00:55:01.880 and complaining.

00:55:02.440 I think that's that one

00:55:03.480 to Tish Hyman.

00:55:04.240 At Gold's Gym,

00:55:06.900 men,

00:55:08.140 grown men

00:55:09.600 with big dicks

00:55:11.020 in the women's locker room.

00:55:13.860 And that's why

00:55:14.820 I'm getting kicked out

00:55:16.100 and I want to make sure

00:55:17.500 the girls know.

00:55:19.680 The fuck?

00:55:22.400 Everybody saw that man

00:55:24.660 in the fucking locker room.

00:55:26.900 No one's saying shit.

00:55:29.740 And I'm fucking done with it.

00:55:32.620 It's fucking stupid.

00:55:35.120 It's dangerous.

00:55:38.440 Me naked in front of a man

00:55:40.240 without my permission.

00:55:41.820 But I'm the one

00:55:42.620 who can kick out the gym, y'all.

00:55:44.540 I'm terminated

00:55:45.580 for not wanting men

00:55:47.200 in the locker room.

00:55:49.760 She was understandably upset.

00:55:52.420 And then,

00:55:53.200 I don't know if it was Tish

00:55:54.140 or somebody else,

00:55:54.820 but somebody filmed Tish

00:55:57.080 confronting the man

00:55:58.540 right outside of the women's room

00:56:00.600 moments later.

00:56:01.880 Watch.

00:56:02.360 I think it was moments later

00:56:03.140 or moments before,

00:56:03.920 but right away.

00:56:05.120 Did you tell me or not

00:56:06.220 that women like to see dick?

00:56:07.220 I'm the guy

00:56:07.720 asking you a fucking question.

00:56:09.040 Exactly.

00:56:09.800 Exactly.

00:56:10.580 Get out of the way.

00:56:11.820 No.

00:56:12.460 Now he knows how to be a man, right?

00:56:14.060 Now he knows how to be a man.

00:56:15.820 Stay out of the women's locker room.

00:56:17.540 We don't want it.

00:56:18.740 He needs to have his gym membership

00:56:21.060 evoked with that shit.

00:56:22.580 And the woman told you.

00:56:24.120 He assaulted me.

00:56:25.300 The girl told already.

00:56:27.300 We already filed reports.

00:56:29.020 No, no.

00:56:30.560 That's fine.

00:56:31.260 I love the video.

00:56:32.360 You can't get rid of me for this.

00:56:33.920 I'm a woman

00:56:34.500 and I have every right

00:56:35.400 to not want a man

00:56:36.060 in the restroom

00:56:36.640 when I'm naked.

00:56:37.400 Now the man's walking

00:56:38.160 into the women's locker room.

00:56:39.160 Look at him walking in there

00:56:40.060 like it's okay.

00:56:40.760 It's not okay.

00:56:41.520 Matt, the reason this is happening

00:56:46.900 is because the state law requires it.

00:56:51.200 Much as I'd love to blame Gold's gym,

00:56:53.940 Gavin Newsom and his pals

00:56:55.120 have made it state law

00:56:56.700 that every, every facility,

00:57:00.040 public or private,

00:57:01.320 has to allow this.

00:57:02.800 It's insane.

00:57:04.080 It's deeply wrong.

00:57:05.140 And the voters of California

00:57:06.200 don't seem to give a damn.

00:57:07.600 Your thoughts.

00:57:09.120 Yeah, I, I, uh,

00:57:10.700 I do blame Gold's gym also though

00:57:13.760 because, yeah,

00:57:14.380 we, we blame the law,

00:57:15.580 blame Gavin Newsom certainly.

00:57:17.760 Uh, but also, I mean,

00:57:19.560 you're a business owner

00:57:20.360 in that state.

00:57:21.260 You're a business in that state.

00:57:22.160 You just, you can't allow this.

00:57:23.320 You cannot allow,

00:57:24.260 you cannot put women

00:57:24.920 in this position,

00:57:26.420 uh, uh, children

00:57:28.060 in this position.

00:57:28.760 You just, you can't allow it.

00:57:30.560 And, and, and so, you know,

00:57:33.480 if I'm a, if I'm a business

00:57:34.540 in that state,

00:57:34.980 I'm just not going to allow it.

00:57:36.120 And then you kind of dare

00:57:37.580 the state to,

00:57:38.780 what are they going to do?

00:57:39.320 You're going to shut me down?

00:57:40.040 We'll go ahead.

00:57:40.420 Let's have that fight.

00:57:41.540 I know kind of easier.

00:57:42.700 There are times in life

00:57:44.080 where you have to draw a line.

00:57:44.840 And this is like clearly,

00:57:45.840 clearly one of them.

00:57:47.260 Um, I'll also say though,

00:57:48.740 that, you know,

00:57:50.180 the reaction from, uh,

00:57:52.220 that, that woman

00:57:53.540 is exactly correct.

00:57:57.160 And this is how

00:57:58.560 everybody should react.

00:58:00.060 And I think that,

00:58:00.880 I think if everyone

00:58:01.900 had reacted that way

00:58:03.320 from the very beginning,

00:58:04.220 when this madness

00:58:05.000 first sort of started

00:58:06.280 in earnest,

00:58:07.080 like 10 years ago,

00:58:08.100 then it would have been

00:58:10.360 shut down very quickly

00:58:11.500 because like,

00:58:12.780 usually I'm not,

00:58:13.920 I don't agree with like

00:58:15.040 making scenes in public,

00:58:16.260 but there are times

00:58:17.160 when that's called for

00:58:18.860 and you go into

00:58:20.000 a locker room

00:58:20.960 and there's a man in there.

00:58:22.140 It's a women's locker room.

00:58:23.380 That should be a scene.

00:58:24.560 I mean, you should be,

00:58:25.440 that's how a normal person reacts.

00:58:26.900 This is totally unacceptable.

00:58:27.980 Yes.

00:58:28.680 Completely wrong.

00:58:29.420 And I'm, I'm not going to take,

00:58:31.000 I'm not going to go along

00:58:31.940 with it to be polite

00:58:32.920 or whatever.

00:58:33.980 And, um, and that's,

00:58:36.060 too many people

00:58:37.040 were willing to do that

00:58:37.720 for too long.

00:58:38.160 That's how we ended up

00:58:38.720 in this position to begin with.

00:58:40.300 So I think she deserves

00:58:41.620 a lot of credit for that.

00:58:43.560 Somebody posted online yesterday,

00:58:45.560 not all heroes wear capes.

00:58:47.480 That's how I felt too

00:58:48.380 when I watched Tish

00:58:49.340 come out there.

00:58:50.000 She, she posted a follow-up,

00:58:52.220 uh, just her on cam

00:58:53.680 after it all went down.

00:58:55.080 And you could,

00:58:56.260 you could feel that she,

00:58:57.560 it was somewhat traumatic.

00:58:59.680 The whole thing

00:59:00.040 was traumatic for her.

00:59:01.420 Here's a bit of that

00:59:02.100 in SOT2.

00:59:03.820 I just had the worst experience

00:59:05.640 ever at the gym,

00:59:06.860 at Gold's Gym.

00:59:07.900 Today I was naked

00:59:08.900 in the locker room.

00:59:10.720 I turned around

00:59:11.420 and there's a man there

00:59:12.580 in boy, like boy clothes,

00:59:16.000 lip gloss,

00:59:16.840 standing there looking at me.

00:59:18.060 I'm butt naked.

00:59:18.600 So the first thing I think

00:59:19.660 is maybe there's

00:59:20.240 a work through in here.

00:59:21.020 Maybe I missed a sign.

00:59:22.280 I say the word, sir,

00:59:23.580 to say, sir,

00:59:24.380 what are you doing in here?

00:59:25.380 He goes,

00:59:25.900 don't fucking talk to me.

00:59:27.220 I'm a woman.

00:59:27.980 I have a right to be in here.

00:59:29.240 Immediately I'm fucking pissed

00:59:30.980 because I'm butt naked.

00:59:32.260 I feel violated.

00:59:33.320 And then I talk to the people

00:59:34.460 that work at Gold's Gym

00:59:35.620 and they don't really

00:59:36.280 have anything to do.

00:59:37.420 They just like,

00:59:37.940 oh, we can file a report

00:59:38.980 about an incident report.

00:59:41.000 What the fuck is going on?

00:59:43.100 I'm a lesbian.

00:59:44.040 I've been a lesbian

00:59:44.800 my whole life.

00:59:45.700 I treat people

00:59:46.200 I want to be treated

00:59:46.860 regardless of whatever

00:59:47.760 their sexual orientation is

00:59:49.800 or whatever they desire.

00:59:50.880 So I'm not transphobic

00:59:52.200 and I'm not homophobic.

00:59:53.720 I'm not straighty phobic.

00:59:55.000 I'm not racist.

00:59:56.200 None of these things.

00:59:56.920 Why do you guys think

00:59:58.240 it's okay for men

00:59:59.300 to be in the women's restroom?

01:00:01.560 You know, Matt,

01:00:02.560 Gavin Newsom follows me on X

01:00:04.440 and I tweeted that out

01:00:06.380 and I tagged him saying,

01:00:10.600 help her.

01:00:11.780 Help her.

01:00:13.000 He won't.

01:00:14.380 He has absolutely no courage

01:00:16.280 on this front.

01:00:17.860 And while he talked a good game

01:00:19.320 with our pal Charlie

01:00:20.480 when he had him on

01:00:21.740 about how it's unfair

01:00:22.560 to have men in women's sports,

01:00:23.780 he later just said,

01:00:25.900 oh, it's just such a complicated issue,

01:00:27.240 so confusing,

01:00:28.100 and threw up his hands.

01:00:29.820 He's not going to help Tish.

01:00:31.420 He's not going to help girls

01:00:32.440 dealing with boys in his sport.

01:00:34.280 And it's really going to come down

01:00:35.860 to President Trump

01:00:37.440 and just how intrusive

01:00:38.960 he can be

01:00:39.840 on these states

01:00:41.200 that insist

01:00:42.300 on fostering

01:00:43.820 this harassment.

01:00:44.900 Right.

01:00:47.280 And it should be,

01:00:48.140 I mean,

01:00:48.320 this is a place

01:00:49.280 for federal law.

01:00:50.560 There should be,

01:00:51.200 there can be laws

01:00:52.040 passed on the federal level

01:00:53.140 because this is a,

01:00:54.700 this is not a state's rights thing.

01:00:56.060 This is a human,

01:00:56.740 this is a human rights thing.

01:00:57.720 This is a human right,

01:00:59.400 this is an infringement

01:01:00.180 on your rights

01:01:01.520 as a human being,

01:01:02.200 as a woman,

01:01:03.380 you know,

01:01:03.700 to just like a basic level

01:01:05.840 of privacy

01:01:06.680 and safety and security

01:01:07.960 when you're

01:01:08.560 in your most vulnerable state

01:01:10.260 in the locker room.

01:01:11.300 Yeah,

01:01:11.460 you do have a right to that

01:01:12.780 and that is being infringed upon.

01:01:14.900 And so it is,

01:01:15.620 it is a federal issue.

01:01:16.980 And, you know,

01:01:17.520 I will say that Tish,

01:01:18.340 she asked that question,

01:01:19.260 well, how,

01:01:19.580 she says,

01:01:19.980 well,

01:01:20.080 how could anyone think

01:01:20.860 that this is right?

01:01:22.400 And the answer to the question

01:01:23.880 is that no one thinks it's right.

01:01:26.700 I mean,

01:01:26.940 no human,

01:01:28.580 almost none,

01:01:29.720 but aside from

01:01:31.060 the actual trans activists themselves

01:01:33.440 and even some of them,

01:01:35.120 I don't even think it's right,

01:01:35.800 but everybody else,

01:01:37.040 like no one else thinks it's right.

01:01:38.560 Gavin Newsom

01:01:39.180 does not think that that's right.

01:01:40.600 There's no way

01:01:41.140 that Gavin Newsom

01:01:41.820 could look at that situation

01:01:42.940 and come to the conclusion

01:01:44.480 that the woman

01:01:46.120 who is objecting to the man

01:01:47.540 in the locker room

01:01:48.180 is in the wrong.

01:01:49.040 He doesn't actually think that.

01:01:50.500 He knows that that's totally crazy.

01:01:53.060 And that is why Democrats have,

01:01:55.780 especially over the last couple of years,

01:01:57.460 for the most part,

01:01:58.940 have run as far as they can,

01:02:00.780 as fast as they can from this issue.

01:02:02.640 I mean,

01:02:02.820 Kamala Harris went through

01:02:04.680 her entire abbreviated campaign

01:02:06.480 and barely ever talked about it.

01:02:07.980 She only talked about the trans issue

01:02:09.640 when she was absolutely forced to,

01:02:10.960 and then she jumped off of it

01:02:12.040 as fast as she could.

01:02:13.220 It wasn't like that five years ago.

01:02:14.600 Now, five years ago,

01:02:15.920 Democrat politicians,

01:02:17.580 you couldn't stop them

01:02:18.780 from running out

01:02:19.380 in front of any camera

01:02:20.000 they could find

01:02:20.600 and talking about trans rights

01:02:21.940 and trans women are women

01:02:23.360 and all this kind of stuff

01:02:24.300 because for a very brief moment in time,

01:02:26.240 for a very brief moment in time,

01:02:27.500 it seemed like that.

01:02:28.400 It seemed like that

01:02:29.300 was the popular position,

01:02:30.300 although it never was.

01:02:32.220 But now,

01:02:33.260 you know,

01:02:33.480 the culture is just entirely against them

01:02:35.660 and they know it.

01:02:36.460 And then came the wonderful

01:02:39.200 What is a Woman

01:02:40.660 by Matt Walsh

01:02:42.100 and The Daily Wire,

01:02:42.880 which really was a game changer.

01:02:44.120 It just completely changed

01:02:45.140 the conversation

01:02:45.720 by calling out the insanity

01:02:46.980 and questioning

01:02:48.180 the proponents of it

01:02:49.360 in a very fair,

01:02:50.640 matter-of-fact way.

01:02:51.560 They were humiliated,

01:02:53.420 but there are still hangers on.

01:02:55.600 Okay, last but not least,

01:02:56.700 on this same front,

01:02:58.100 in California,

01:02:59.420 there is a women's soccer team.

01:03:01.200 It's part of the

01:03:01.620 National Women's Soccer League.

01:03:03.140 It's Angel City,

01:03:04.220 and it has at least one obvious man

01:03:09.680 who I guess says he's intersex.

01:03:12.320 It's another one of those

01:03:13.760 like boxing situations

01:03:15.060 like we had with that boxer.

01:03:16.580 This is him.

01:03:18.500 He, quote,

01:03:19.500 identifies as female

01:03:20.640 and is reportedly intersex,

01:03:23.440 meaning may have female genitalia

01:03:26.660 on the outside,

01:03:27.400 but has XY chromosomes

01:03:29.500 and is developing as a male

01:03:31.200 post-puberty.

01:03:32.280 And this is,

01:03:34.360 I haven't obviously seen

01:03:35.420 any direct tests,

01:03:36.340 but this is what's been reported

01:03:37.760 about this person.

01:03:39.120 And a woman on the team

01:03:41.040 named Elizabeth Eddy

01:03:41.900 wrote a very thoughtful op-ed

01:03:43.580 in the New York Post

01:03:44.280 saying,

01:03:45.600 look,

01:03:46.120 our league has gotten very big,

01:03:47.800 but there's a real question,

01:03:49.060 how do we preserve

01:03:49.640 women's rights

01:03:50.240 and competitive fairness

01:03:51.300 when we're fostering,

01:03:52.600 while still fostering,

01:03:53.740 meaningful inclusion?

01:03:54.740 And she said,

01:03:55.820 what we really need

01:03:56.600 in our sport

01:03:57.460 is clear eligibility processes

01:03:59.760 and policies.

01:04:01.700 The uncertainty

01:04:02.520 is serving no one.

01:04:04.320 And in particular,

01:04:05.340 we've got questions

01:04:06.160 and controversy

01:04:06.800 over intersex

01:04:07.940 and transgender athletes

01:04:09.280 saying our league

01:04:10.660 has to adopt

01:04:11.200 a clear standard.

01:04:12.300 One is that all players

01:04:13.740 have to be born

01:04:14.960 with ovaries.

01:04:16.140 Another is that

01:04:17.260 there should be

01:04:17.820 a gene test

01:04:18.540 like those

01:04:19.660 that the world athletics

01:04:20.560 and world boxing

01:04:21.280 have now implemented

01:04:22.660 where when you go

01:04:24.240 for your annual physical

01:04:24.960 and you get a blood test

01:04:26.080 looking at cholesterol,

01:04:27.340 they would include a test

01:04:28.340 checking your chromosomes

01:04:30.060 or a non-invasive cheek swab,

01:04:33.000 which is how they do it

01:04:34.020 in a lot of other sports

01:04:34.820 to make sure that,

01:04:35.720 in fact,

01:04:36.000 you have XX chromosomes

01:04:37.540 playing in the women's league.

01:04:39.000 And then she finishes it

01:04:39.820 by saying,

01:04:40.140 look,

01:04:40.240 I don't have all the answers,

01:04:41.060 but I do know

01:04:41.520 we're all in this together.

01:04:42.600 It'll take time,

01:04:43.480 space,

01:04:43.900 and creativity

01:04:44.760 to cooperate

01:04:45.420 as we move forward.

01:04:46.900 The New York Post

01:04:47.740 ran the piece

01:04:48.820 with a picture of

01:04:49.740 one player

01:04:51.380 who's been questioned

01:04:52.640 over whether this person

01:04:53.940 is trans or intersex

01:04:55.200 and I guess

01:04:56.660 won't publicly say

01:04:57.840 and wouldn't publicly test.

01:04:59.800 And that person

01:05:00.620 happens to be black.

01:05:02.000 So that's relevant

01:05:03.160 because now the blowback

01:05:04.240 that this one writer,

01:05:05.560 Elizabeth Eddy,

01:05:06.940 got for writing her op-ed

01:05:08.200 includes that

01:05:08.860 she's somehow racist.

01:05:09.980 She didn't pick the photo,

01:05:11.040 but this is one of the players

01:05:12.240 whose,

01:05:13.240 she plays,

01:05:13.660 this player plays

01:05:14.240 for the Orlando Pride.

01:05:16.160 And this player,

01:05:17.780 according to the

01:05:18.320 Zambia Football Association,

01:05:20.260 quote,

01:05:20.480 did not meet the criteria

01:05:21.820 for gender verification,

01:05:24.220 which seems to be

01:05:24.700 a nice way of saying

01:05:25.560 this person

01:05:26.640 did not test female.

01:05:28.460 In any event,

01:05:29.500 here are fellow players

01:05:31.160 from Elizabeth Eddy's

01:05:33.840 Angel City's league

01:05:35.880 piling on her.

01:05:38.660 This is Angel City

01:05:39.980 Sarah Gordon

01:05:41.120 response to the Eddy article,

01:05:43.340 Sot3B.

01:05:43.820 That article does not speak

01:05:47.220 for this team

01:05:48.240 in this locker room.

01:05:49.660 I've had a lot of combos

01:05:51.080 with my teammates

01:05:52.000 in the past few days

01:05:53.580 and they are hurt

01:05:55.780 and they are harmed

01:05:57.580 by the article

01:05:58.480 and also they are disgusted

01:05:59.980 by some of the things

01:06:00.820 that were said

01:06:01.240 in the article.

01:06:02.000 Mostly the undertones

01:06:03.040 come across as transphobic

01:06:04.720 and racist as well.

01:06:06.880 The article calls

01:06:08.300 for genetic testing

01:06:09.160 on certain players

01:06:09.920 and it has a photo

01:06:11.320 of an African player

01:06:12.680 as a headline

01:06:13.240 and that's very harmful

01:06:14.660 and to me,

01:06:16.040 it's inherently racist

01:06:17.080 because to single out

01:06:18.240 this community

01:06:18.880 based on them looking

01:06:20.540 or being different

01:06:21.520 is absolutely a problem

01:06:23.680 and as a mixed woman

01:06:25.900 with a black family,

01:06:27.660 I'm devastated

01:06:28.780 by the undertones

01:06:29.900 of this article.

01:06:31.420 Amazing.

01:06:32.060 Your thoughts, Matt?

01:06:32.660 Where do you even start?

01:06:37.360 Look, I'll tell you

01:06:38.940 one thought

01:06:40.060 that comes immediately

01:06:40.700 to mind

01:06:41.180 is kind of bringing

01:06:43.160 this all full circle

01:06:44.240 to something we talked

01:06:44.900 about earlier

01:06:45.360 in the hour,

01:06:46.680 the conservative civil war.

01:06:49.260 Well, this again

01:06:50.200 kind of shows,

01:06:51.120 it's another example

01:06:52.940 that shows

01:06:53.740 who the real enemies are

01:06:55.240 and what we're actually fighting

01:06:56.380 because this is pure,

01:06:58.520 like,

01:06:59.560 this is pure madness,

01:07:00.900 just total absolute lunacy

01:07:03.020 using charges of racism

01:07:05.960 and quote-unquote transphobia,

01:07:07.920 which is not a thing at all,

01:07:09.460 to try to get people

01:07:12.060 to ignore, like,

01:07:13.200 biological reality,

01:07:14.760 just what is actually real,

01:07:17.240 a total rejection,

01:07:18.300 it's a total rejection

01:07:19.520 of reality itself

01:07:20.720 and using this emotional blackmail

01:07:23.300 to get people

01:07:24.160 to go along with it

01:07:24.960 very much to their own detriment,

01:07:26.220 the detriment of,

01:07:26.920 you know,

01:07:27.080 their families

01:07:27.580 and their children.

01:07:28.700 That's what the left is doing

01:07:29.700 and there really is no analog

01:07:31.640 to that on the right.

01:07:32.880 There is no analogous position

01:07:34.560 to, like,

01:07:35.400 you know,

01:07:35.980 men or women.

01:07:36.820 That is a total rejection,

01:07:39.040 as I said,

01:07:39.420 of reality itself.

01:07:40.900 It is unique to the left

01:07:42.900 and this is what we're fighting.

01:07:45.940 I mean,

01:07:46.100 that's my first thought.

01:07:48.280 It's genuinely dangerous,

01:07:50.340 both to those women

01:07:51.160 and to young girls

01:07:52.440 coming up the ranks

01:07:53.260 in soccer,

01:07:54.200 hello,

01:07:54.600 like my daughter,

01:07:55.700 behind them.

01:07:56.780 Matt Walsh,

01:07:57.620 great conversation.

01:07:58.440 Thanks so much

01:07:58.840 for being here.

01:08:00.120 Thanks, Megan.

01:08:00.520 Appreciate it.

01:08:01.600 See you soon.

01:08:02.700 Wow.

01:08:03.580 Covered it all there.

01:08:05.400 Love to know your thoughts on it.

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01:12:14.560 All right,

01:12:14.820 we've got something

01:12:15.380 very interesting

01:12:16.100 to start with today.

01:12:19.580 The case against James Comey

01:12:22.100 just got a lot hotter.

01:12:24.520 So he's moved

01:12:25.700 to have it dismissed,

01:12:26.880 just to set the scene

01:12:28.340 for our audience, okay?

01:12:29.380 There's a two-page indictment

01:12:30.700 against him.

01:12:31.260 It's pretty straightforward.

01:12:32.180 And they allege

01:12:33.560 in the Eastern District

01:12:34.660 of Virginia

01:12:35.220 that on or about

01:12:36.940 September 30th, 2020,

01:12:39.200 James Comey

01:12:39.800 willfully and knowingly

01:12:41.000 lied.

01:12:42.240 Lied to Congress

01:12:43.240 telling a U.S. senator

01:12:44.740 that he, James Comey,

01:12:46.520 had not authorized

01:12:47.900 someone at the FBI

01:12:49.160 to be an anonymous source

01:12:51.040 in news reports

01:12:51.840 regarding an FBI investigation.

01:12:56.400 Okay, so that's basically

01:12:57.860 what the whole thing

01:12:58.420 is based on,

01:12:58.920 and there's really

01:12:59.620 not much more

01:13:00.100 to the indictment

01:13:00.580 than that.

01:13:00.860 Two counts that we think

01:13:02.140 are based on just

01:13:02.800 that one allegation

01:13:03.800 that he lied to Congress

01:13:04.640 in September of 2020.

01:13:07.000 Now, in September of 2020,

01:13:08.900 what there really,

01:13:09.720 what happened was

01:13:10.680 in an exchange

01:13:11.200 with Ted Cruz,

01:13:12.700 Jim Comey reaffirmed

01:13:15.020 testimony he gave

01:13:16.520 to Chuck Grassley

01:13:17.880 three years earlier

01:13:19.200 in 2017

01:13:20.240 and doubled down

01:13:22.360 on those assertions

01:13:23.980 that he had not leaked

01:13:25.680 to the media

01:13:26.380 about an FBI investigation

01:13:27.980 and he had not authorized

01:13:30.360 a person at the FBI

01:13:32.000 to leak to the media

01:13:33.820 about any investigation

01:13:35.320 into Trump or Hillary.

01:13:37.820 And I'm just going to play you

01:13:39.320 those testimonials

01:13:40.560 just so we're really clear.

01:13:42.140 All right?

01:13:42.640 First, we're going to go

01:13:43.820 in chronological order

01:13:44.960 because they're both

01:13:46.080 at issue very much

01:13:47.260 in this case against him.

01:13:48.560 Here he is

01:13:49.820 in 17,

01:13:51.920 2017.

01:13:52.860 Uh, the date

01:13:54.680 was May 3rd.

01:13:56.820 Speaking under oath

01:13:58.380 to Senator Chuck Grassley.

01:14:01.140 Listen.

01:14:02.820 Director Comey,

01:14:03.760 have you ever

01:14:04.560 been an anonymous source

01:14:06.860 in news reports

01:14:08.420 about matters relating

01:14:09.800 to the Trump investigation

01:14:11.720 or the Clinton investigation?

01:14:14.320 Never.

01:14:15.200 Have you ever authorized

01:14:16.420 someone else

01:14:17.720 at the FBI

01:14:18.640 to be an anonymous source

01:14:20.560 in news reports

01:14:22.040 about the Trump investigation

01:14:23.660 or the Clinton investigation?

01:14:25.880 No.

01:14:28.020 Has any classified information

01:14:30.520 relating to

01:14:31.780 President Trump

01:14:33.200 or his associates

01:14:34.780 been declassified

01:14:37.660 and shared with the media?

01:14:40.420 Not to my knowledge.

01:14:42.760 Okay.

01:14:43.560 So it's that middle question

01:14:44.900 that is at issue.

01:14:46.160 He very clearly testified.

01:14:47.740 Yet the question was,

01:14:48.480 have you ever been an anonymous,

01:14:50.520 sorry,

01:14:50.940 have you ever authorized

01:14:52.000 someone else

01:14:53.000 at the FBI

01:14:53.820 to be an anonymous source

01:14:55.280 in news reports

01:14:56.180 about the Trump investigation

01:14:57.760 or the Hillary investigation?

01:15:00.220 Answer, no.

01:15:01.580 Now that was May 3rd, 2017,

01:15:05.320 which was just a couple months

01:15:06.900 after the period

01:15:08.860 of June 2015

01:15:09.820 through February 2017

01:15:11.120 where his good friend

01:15:12.740 Daniel Richman,

01:15:14.480 who was a Columbia law professor,

01:15:16.400 had been deputized by Comey

01:15:18.420 to act as a special

01:15:19.640 governmental employee

01:15:20.700 at the FBI

01:15:21.840 on Comey's behalf

01:15:23.660 who he used

01:15:25.900 to both advise him,

01:15:27.400 James Comey,

01:15:28.340 and now we do know

01:15:29.880 to leak to the media.

01:15:32.460 Okay.

01:15:32.680 So this testimonial

01:15:33.820 to Grassley

01:15:34.720 was post that,

01:15:36.560 you know,

01:15:38.440 year and a half period

01:15:40.000 where he had been using

01:15:41.480 Daniel Richman

01:15:42.720 to leak to the media.

01:15:44.440 So it would appear

01:15:46.220 to be a very clear lie.

01:15:47.940 He had been using him.

01:15:49.100 He'd been using him

01:15:49.800 for a year and a half

01:15:50.600 and the guy had been

01:15:51.600 an employee at the FBI,

01:15:53.420 special governmental employee.

01:15:55.200 And that's what Grassley asked.

01:15:56.800 Ever authorize someone else

01:15:57.920 at the FBI

01:15:58.440 to be an anonymous source

01:15:59.460 in news reports

01:16:00.020 about Trump investigation

01:16:01.080 or Hillary?

01:16:01.700 So he said that.

01:16:02.560 He said in May of 17,

01:16:03.780 no, never did.

01:16:05.120 Then Ted Cruz,

01:16:06.140 it's a little convoluted.

01:16:07.540 Hold on to your armrests there.

01:16:08.920 gets them to double down on it

01:16:12.360 three years later

01:16:13.900 in 2020,

01:16:16.640 September 2020.

01:16:18.160 And the only reason

01:16:19.180 they used the September 2020

01:16:20.640 exchange with Cruz

01:16:22.040 as the basis

01:16:22.580 for the indictment

01:16:23.360 is because the 17 exchange

01:16:25.640 is barred as time limited.

01:16:27.560 The five-year statute of limitations

01:16:28.860 on that lie ran out.

01:16:30.200 But he renewed his lie

01:16:31.560 to Ted Cruz.

01:16:32.960 It's more convoluted,

01:16:34.020 but it's there.

01:16:35.440 I urge you to listen

01:16:36.620 to this exchange,

01:16:37.660 but pay attention,

01:16:38.280 most importantly,

01:16:39.240 to the last part of it.

01:16:40.980 Listen.

01:16:42.780 On May 3rd, 2017,

01:16:45.840 in this committee,

01:16:47.100 Chairman Grassley

01:16:47.880 asked you point blank,

01:16:49.180 quote,

01:16:49.700 have you ever been

01:16:50.800 an anonymous source

01:16:51.840 in news reports

01:16:52.780 about matters relating

01:16:54.500 to the Trump investigation

01:16:55.740 or the Clinton investigation?

01:16:57.340 You responded under oath,

01:16:58.920 quote,

01:16:59.600 never.

01:17:01.000 He then asked you,

01:17:02.420 quote,

01:17:03.000 have you ever authorized

01:17:04.040 someone else at the FBI

01:17:05.220 to be an anonymous source

01:17:06.620 in news reports

01:17:08.000 about the Trump investigation

01:17:09.220 or the Clinton administration?

01:17:11.340 You responded again

01:17:12.320 under oath,

01:17:13.220 no.

01:17:14.440 Now, as you know,

01:17:15.400 Mr. McCabe,

01:17:16.100 who works for you,

01:17:17.520 has publicly

01:17:18.340 and repeatedly stated

01:17:19.820 that he leaked information

01:17:22.300 to the Wall Street Journal

01:17:23.440 and that you were

01:17:24.160 directly aware of it

01:17:25.540 and that you directly

01:17:27.100 authorized it.

01:17:28.540 Now,

01:17:29.820 what Mr. McCabe

01:17:31.000 is saying

01:17:31.620 and what you testified

01:17:33.060 to this committee

01:17:33.780 cannot both be true.

01:17:35.340 One or the other

01:17:36.140 is false.

01:17:37.740 Who's telling the truth?

01:17:40.180 I can only speak

01:17:41.100 to my testimony.

01:17:42.020 I stand by what

01:17:42.920 the testimony

01:17:43.680 you summarized

01:17:44.500 that I gave

01:17:44.980 in May of 2017.

01:17:46.660 So your testimony

01:17:47.680 is you've never authorized

01:17:48.840 anyone to leak

01:17:49.640 and Mr. McCabe,

01:17:51.380 if he says contrary,

01:17:52.580 is not telling the truth.

01:17:53.520 Is that correct?

01:17:54.620 Again,

01:17:54.920 I'm not going to characterize

01:17:55.680 Andy's testimony,

01:17:56.760 but mine is the same today.

01:17:58.160 Mine is the same today,

01:18:02.860 which is a very good hook

01:18:05.620 for prosecutors to say

01:18:07.100 not only did he reaffirm

01:18:10.000 the testimony

01:18:10.580 as of 2017,

01:18:13.180 but he expanded it

01:18:14.720 from 2017 forward to 2020.

01:18:17.560 So both time periods

01:18:18.860 would be covered

01:18:19.660 where James Comey

01:18:20.920 is on the record

01:18:21.500 saying he never authorized

01:18:22.760 someone to leak

01:18:23.340 on his behalf

01:18:24.140 while at the FBI.

01:18:26.060 Okay,

01:18:26.260 that's clearly

01:18:27.420 his testimony.

01:18:29.300 In any event,

01:18:30.420 there's no doubt

01:18:31.260 he stood by

01:18:32.240 that Grassley testimony

01:18:33.960 at least through

01:18:35.600 his testimony

01:18:36.900 on May 3rd, 2017.

01:18:38.460 So if he did

01:18:39.520 authorize somebody

01:18:40.160 to leak for him

01:18:40.780 at the FBI

01:18:41.480 prior to May 3rd, 2017,

01:18:44.280 they've got him.

01:18:45.480 They've got him.

01:18:46.620 And we were speculating

01:18:48.560 when the indictment

01:18:49.480 first came out,

01:18:50.020 who's the indictment

01:18:51.240 even talking about?

01:18:52.060 You heard,

01:18:52.920 you know,

01:18:53.160 Ted Cruz there

01:18:53.880 was talking about

01:18:54.420 Andy McCabe

01:18:55.500 who worked for him.

01:18:56.320 Was that who it was?

01:18:57.880 Or was it somebody else?

01:18:58.880 Was it the Trump investigation?

01:19:00.300 Was it the Hillary?

01:19:01.020 Who knows?

01:19:02.140 And now it appears,

01:19:03.380 I mean,

01:19:03.600 I don't want to limit them,

01:19:04.460 but it appears

01:19:04.940 that at least

01:19:05.840 we have clear evidence

01:19:07.600 that Comey

01:19:08.480 did use Daniel Richman,

01:19:10.420 who was an employee

01:19:11.780 of the FBI,

01:19:12.560 again,

01:19:12.800 from June 2015

01:19:13.680 through February 2017,

01:19:15.260 to leak to the media

01:19:16.720 about the Hillary Clinton

01:19:18.680 email investigation

01:19:20.120 prior to the time

01:19:22.220 he denied it

01:19:23.180 under oath

01:19:23.860 to Chuck Grassley.

01:19:25.580 The reason I say that

01:19:27.540 is today

01:19:28.580 in the news

01:19:29.580 is an explosive report

01:19:31.240 from John Solomon

01:19:32.240 based on documents

01:19:34.340 provided by Cash Patel

01:19:36.180 at the FBI

01:19:37.140 that they found

01:19:38.680 at the FBI

01:19:39.700 that show correspondence

01:19:41.780 between James Comey

01:19:43.380 and Daniel Richman,

01:19:44.480 his BFF and employee

01:19:45.940 for that year and a half,

01:19:47.180 making clear

01:19:48.520 Comey wanted

01:19:49.720 Richman to leak

01:19:50.680 and that Richman

01:19:52.760 did then act

01:19:54.260 as an anonymous source

01:19:55.980 to the New York Times

01:19:57.720 and possibly others.

01:19:59.600 All right?

01:19:59.880 And we'll just go

01:20:00.580 through a couple of them.

01:20:01.640 First, he points out,

01:20:03.180 this is Mike Davis

01:20:04.040 summarizing some of it,

01:20:05.760 Comey had a burner Gmail,

01:20:08.400 which he named himself

01:20:10.040 Reinhold Niebuhr.

01:20:12.660 I don't know who that is,

01:20:13.680 Victor.

01:20:13.960 You're a historian.

01:20:14.780 Does that name ring a bell

01:20:15.640 to you?

01:20:16.500 Yes, it does.

01:20:17.220 He was a very famous

01:20:18.660 Protestant clergyman,

01:20:21.120 public intellectual

01:20:21.900 in the United States.

01:20:23.160 He was the father

01:20:25.040 of Elizabeth Sifton,

01:20:26.700 the head editor

01:20:27.340 for a while

01:20:27.960 at Alfred Knopf

01:20:28.720 and at one time

01:20:29.300 my book editor,

01:20:30.080 so it's kind of a coincidence

01:20:30.840 you asked that.

01:20:32.100 But he was very well known

01:20:33.100 as a voice of morality

01:20:34.900 in America.

01:20:36.280 Oh, you're so smart.

01:20:37.220 I love that you knew that.

01:20:38.440 Yeah, Sanctimonious Comey

01:20:39.900 would always try to identify

01:20:41.080 with a higher moral authority.

01:20:43.220 Okay, so that's his alias.

01:20:45.980 And he's corresponding

01:20:47.480 with his BFF,

01:20:49.540 Daniel Richman.

01:20:51.460 And, okay,

01:20:54.220 I'm going to try

01:20:55.220 to make this clear.

01:20:56.360 It's not that easy.

01:20:57.800 Hold on.

01:20:59.840 First,

01:21:01.080 just to set the scene

01:21:02.560 for the audience again,

01:21:03.540 it was October 28, 2016

01:21:05.220 that Comey wrote a letter

01:21:06.320 saying that the FBI

01:21:09.220 had discovered new emails

01:21:11.160 relevant to the Hillary Clinton

01:21:12.300 use of private email servers.

01:21:13.900 That was just like

01:21:14.420 a few days before the election,

01:21:15.860 that was the final,

01:21:16.600 like in July of 2016,

01:21:18.520 Comey came out

01:21:19.040 and he was like,

01:21:20.220 Hillary sucks.

01:21:21.220 She has a private

01:21:21.940 homebrew server.

01:21:23.320 It's very problematic,

01:21:24.280 but we're not going

01:21:25.320 to indict her

01:21:25.860 because we can't meet

01:21:27.320 certain elements of a crime.

01:21:28.640 And Republicans were pissed.

01:21:30.240 Like,

01:21:30.740 she should be indicted.

01:21:32.020 Then October comes around

01:21:33.760 and we're just like

01:21:34.600 a week before the vote now.

01:21:35.800 And he says,

01:21:36.380 ah,

01:21:36.760 we found more emails

01:21:38.420 on Anthony Weiner's laptop,

01:21:41.420 who's married to

01:21:42.400 Huma Abedin,

01:21:44.540 who was Hillary's

01:21:46.400 right-hand person.

01:21:47.860 And then the Democrats

01:21:48.920 lost their minds saying,

01:21:50.280 he's,

01:21:50.740 this is election interference

01:21:51.920 by the FBI,

01:21:52.920 which works for the DOJ,

01:21:54.580 days before an election.

01:21:56.340 And Comey's like,

01:21:58.060 I had to tell people,

01:21:59.260 I kind of exonerated her in July.

01:22:01.340 And then just before the election,

01:22:03.160 now I find all these other emails.

01:22:04.880 And look,

01:22:05.420 I felt a moral obligation

01:22:06.820 to tell America

01:22:07.720 we did find other stuff.

01:22:10.020 And you can hear him.

01:22:12.120 He's upset

01:22:12.860 because then the left-wing press

01:22:14.180 went nuts on him.

01:22:15.120 And the left-wing press

01:22:16.180 was important to James Comey,

01:22:17.660 who wanted them to love him.

01:22:19.520 And what he's doing

01:22:20.620 is using Daniel Richman

01:22:22.380 to massage the press

01:22:24.400 into thinking Comey was moral,

01:22:28.840 like you point out,

01:22:29.500 like this Reinhold Niebuhr,

01:22:32.380 that he was,

01:22:33.120 he did the right thing.

01:22:34.480 And he's writing to his BFF here

01:22:37.120 about how,

01:22:39.860 look,

01:22:40.240 you know,

01:22:40.900 I did something noble,

01:22:43.220 saying,

01:22:44.980 first,

01:22:45.840 first his friend says,

01:22:47.020 do you want me to respond,

01:22:48.160 basically?

01:22:49.080 And then Comey responds

01:22:50.540 from his burner account,

01:22:51.880 no need.

01:22:52.440 At this point,

01:22:53.000 it would be shouting

01:22:53.660 into the wind.

01:22:54.340 Someday they'll figure it out.

01:22:55.800 And as Jack and Ben point out,

01:22:58.040 my,

01:22:58.320 I don't know who that is,

01:22:59.200 my decision will be won.

01:23:01.080 A president-elect Clinton

01:23:02.840 will be very grateful

01:23:04.440 for,

01:23:05.340 though that wasn't

01:23:06.160 why I did it.

01:23:07.080 So he's anticipating

01:23:08.000 Hillary's going to win

01:23:08.760 and that ultimately,

01:23:09.980 after she wins,

01:23:10.880 she'll forgive him

01:23:11.620 for doing the October thing.

01:23:13.080 The next day,

01:23:14.880 Daniel Richman

01:23:15.700 sent Comey an email

01:23:17.160 regarding an op-ed

01:23:18.560 he'd been asked to write

01:23:19.800 for the New York Times

01:23:20.720 about the Comey letter

01:23:23.580 regarding Hillary's emails.

01:23:25.080 Richman stated

01:23:25.600 he was not inclined

01:23:26.540 to write something,

01:23:27.340 but that he would

01:23:28.480 if Comey thought

01:23:29.780 it would help things

01:23:30.440 to explain

01:23:31.120 that the defendant

01:23:32.040 owed Congress

01:23:32.780 absolute candor,

01:23:34.220 and that Comey's

01:23:35.480 credibility with Congress

01:23:36.500 could be,

01:23:37.500 would be,

01:23:37.900 particularly important

01:23:38.780 in the coming years

01:23:39.480 of threatened

01:23:39.860 congressional investigations.

01:23:41.280 That's when Comey

01:23:41.820 wrote back,

01:23:42.180 no need,

01:23:42.620 it would be shouting

01:23:43.160 into the wind,

01:23:43.680 someday they'll figure it out

01:23:44.600 and Hillary Clinton,

01:23:45.700 president-elect,

01:23:46.280 will be very grateful

01:23:47.060 for me having done this.

01:23:49.120 Then,

01:23:50.160 Comey appears

01:23:50.760 to have reconsidered

01:23:51.620 that view

01:23:51.980 very shortly thereafter,

01:23:53.240 alleges the government.

01:23:54.320 On November 1st,

01:23:55.460 2016,

01:23:56.220 he emailed

01:23:56.800 Daniel Richman again,

01:23:58.400 saying,

01:23:58.720 when I read

01:23:59.940 the Times coverage

01:24:00.900 involving Reporter 1,

01:24:02.920 I'm left with a sense

01:24:03.960 that they don't understand

01:24:05.260 the significance

01:24:06.040 of my having spoken

01:24:08.000 about this case in July.

01:24:09.440 It changes the entire analysis,

01:24:12.260 meaning he's like,

01:24:13.260 his point is,

01:24:14.220 having said something in July

01:24:15.700 about how she should be,

01:24:16.880 she can't be charged,

01:24:18.120 I owed it to the public

01:24:19.340 to update my statements

01:24:21.580 in October

01:24:22.260 when I found

01:24:22.740 the Anthony Weiner laptop.

01:24:23.720 And then he says

01:24:25.020 to Daniel Richman,

01:24:26.340 perhaps you can make him smarter.

01:24:30.300 And Comey goes on

01:24:31.420 about why he's so noble

01:24:32.940 and this needs to be explained

01:24:34.060 to the press.

01:24:35.360 My inactivity

01:24:36.160 was not an option here.

01:24:37.440 The choices were

01:24:38.080 act to reveal

01:24:39.200 or act to conceal.

01:24:40.560 Richman responds

01:24:41.400 the next day,

01:24:42.220 stating,

01:24:43.000 this is precisely the case

01:24:44.480 I made to them

01:24:45.720 and thought they understood.

01:24:47.440 I was quite wrong.

01:24:49.580 Indeed,

01:24:49.940 I went further

01:24:50.440 and said mindless allegiance

01:24:51.380 to the policy

01:24:52.140 and recognition

01:24:53.220 that more evidence

01:24:53.960 could come in

01:24:54.600 would have counseled

01:24:55.800 silence in July

01:24:56.680 to have let Hillary

01:24:58.480 twist in the wind.

01:24:59.440 Richman emailed Comey

01:25:00.380 shortly thereafter,

01:25:01.120 writing,

01:25:01.720 I just got the point home

01:25:03.280 to reporter one,

01:25:04.280 who we think was

01:25:04.720 Michael Schmidt

01:25:05.120 of the New York Times,

01:25:05.940 probably was rougher

01:25:07.100 than you would have been.

01:25:08.880 Then Comey emails

01:25:10.600 Richman shortly thereafter,

01:25:11.920 entitling the message

01:25:12.740 pretty good,

01:25:14.040 sending a link

01:25:14.800 to the New York Times piece

01:25:16.000 regarding the defendants,

01:25:18.040 Comey's purported options

01:25:19.480 in late October 2016

01:25:21.760 about the Clinton

01:25:22.560 email investigation.

01:25:24.200 Comey wrote,

01:25:25.100 someone showed some logic.

01:25:27.700 I would paint the cons

01:25:28.820 that I was facing

01:25:29.720 in Not Disclosing

01:25:30.560 more darkly,

01:25:31.740 but not bad.

01:25:33.240 So this,

01:25:34.000 clearly he says

01:25:35.000 to Richmond here,

01:25:36.820 Victor,

01:25:37.800 perhaps you can make him

01:25:39.560 smarter

01:25:40.080 in writing this piece.

01:25:41.860 Then he writes the piece,

01:25:43.460 and we have the piece,

01:25:44.400 by the way,

01:25:45.100 from the New York Times

01:25:46.000 where they weigh

01:25:46.880 exactly what Comey

01:25:47.800 had to do

01:25:48.360 with the pros

01:25:49.000 and the cons.

01:25:49.480 and Richmond says,

01:25:51.500 okay,

01:25:51.960 I just got the point home.

01:25:53.860 I was rougher

01:25:54.500 than you would have been.

01:25:55.420 And then Comey

01:25:56.540 forwards him the piece

01:25:57.420 saying someone

01:25:57.960 shows some logic,

01:25:59.600 forwarding the piece

01:26:00.420 to him

01:26:00.900 with which Richmond

01:26:01.960 participated

01:26:02.740 at Comey's behest.

01:26:05.680 And that is just

01:26:06.900 one example.

01:26:08.700 There are other examples

01:26:10.060 as well

01:26:11.320 between Comey

01:26:12.320 and Richmond

01:26:13.040 that predate

01:26:14.180 his testimony

01:26:14.840 to Grassley

01:26:15.560 denying he had

01:26:17.120 ever done it.

01:26:18.360 It's very clear,

01:26:19.840 according to these filings,

01:26:21.140 Victor,

01:26:21.960 he did.

01:26:23.340 And so just like

01:26:24.080 the Tish James case

01:26:25.440 that we talked about

01:26:26.180 at length yesterday,

01:26:27.160 check our YouTube feed

01:26:27.940 if you missed it.

01:26:28.640 If you missed it,

01:26:29.160 you shouldn't.

01:26:30.520 This case against

01:26:31.420 James Comey

01:26:32.060 looks a lot stronger

01:26:33.820 than the media

01:26:34.900 would have us believe.

01:26:36.960 Well,

01:26:37.340 I think it's very strong,

01:26:38.580 but I'm not as optimistic

01:26:40.600 that because this

01:26:42.260 is going to be tried

01:26:43.260 in the New York-Washington

01:26:44.680 corridor,

01:26:45.180 and I remember

01:26:45.900 in the Latita James case

01:26:48.120 there were experts

01:26:48.880 who testified

01:26:49.840 that the Deutsche Bank

01:26:51.120 had no complaint.

01:26:53.220 The loan was paid

01:26:54.400 on time

01:26:54.960 with interest

01:26:55.700 in full

01:26:56.340 and they would loan

01:26:57.560 to him again

01:26:58.140 and they didn't let it.

01:26:58.860 They said it was not

01:26:59.620 relevant to the case.

01:27:01.240 The E. Jean Carroll case,

01:27:03.500 they brought in

01:27:04.140 all sorts of testimony

01:27:05.260 that proved that she was

01:27:06.180 and they said

01:27:06.580 it's not relevant.

01:27:07.300 They're going to say,

01:27:08.200 and I hope they don't,

01:27:09.800 but they're going to say

01:27:10.440 we're talking about

01:27:11.320 a particular authorization

01:27:12.920 to McCabe.

01:27:14.220 Just take one example.

01:27:15.980 This is irrelevant.

01:27:16.980 Or they're going to say,

01:27:18.380 well, James Comey

01:27:19.260 never authorized it.

01:27:20.540 It was brought

01:27:21.480 to his attention

01:27:22.480 that people were freelancing

01:27:24.640 and leaking

01:27:25.500 and he didn't authorize it,

01:27:28.840 but he was under no,

01:27:30.080 you know,

01:27:31.200 compulsion to stop it.

01:27:32.620 He just thought,

01:27:33.320 wow,

01:27:34.000 I don't know what they're,

01:27:34.940 I'm aware of it.

01:27:35.820 That's what they're going to do

01:27:36.820 and it's going to depend

01:27:37.640 on that,

01:27:39.300 you know,

01:27:39.600 if it's in Washington

01:27:40.560 a Washington grand jury

01:27:42.340 indicted him apparently

01:27:43.520 and it's going to depend

01:27:45.220 on the judge

01:27:46.000 and the prosecutor.

01:27:47.240 But there is a common denominator,

01:27:49.380 two of them,

01:27:49.920 with all of this,

01:27:51.040 Megan,

01:27:51.360 and that is

01:27:51.860 he had no business

01:27:53.280 doing any of this.

01:27:55.120 He is a FBI director.

01:27:56.920 His job is to investigate

01:27:58.500 and present evidence

01:27:59.980 to a prosecutor.

01:28:01.260 The prosecutor was

01:28:02.660 Loretta Lynch

01:28:04.480 and she was conflicted

01:28:06.320 and Obama knew it,

01:28:07.560 so she bowed out.

01:28:09.280 Remember,

01:28:09.620 she had met with Clinton

01:28:10.780 on the tarmac in Phoenix.

01:28:13.660 Yes,

01:28:14.340 and so James Comey,

01:28:16.240 who had been a prosecutor,

01:28:17.560 he was the one,

01:28:18.440 remember,

01:28:19.420 a long time ago

01:28:20.320 that went after Martha Stewart.

01:28:21.980 He was a glory hound

01:28:23.240 and he really trumped up

01:28:25.100 that thing

01:28:25.640 and they said,

01:28:26.200 you know what,

01:28:26.980 James Comey

01:28:27.800 is such an egomaniac

01:28:29.240 that we'll bow out

01:28:30.720 and then he took on the role.

01:28:32.840 They didn't have a subordinate

01:28:34.000 in the DOJ.

01:28:34.760 He took on the role

01:28:35.660 as the investigator

01:28:36.860 and the de facto

01:28:38.860 attorney general

01:28:40.200 to determine

01:28:40.920 whether these charges

01:28:42.420 would go

01:28:43.180 and that's not right.

01:28:44.400 He should have said,

01:28:45.480 here's the evidence

01:28:46.420 on the one hand,

01:28:48.080 she's obviously guilty

01:28:50.040 on the case of Hillary.

01:28:51.300 On the other hand,

01:28:52.460 maybe it would be hard

01:28:53.580 to prove to a jury,

01:28:54.420 you make the decision.

01:28:55.680 But he was getting

01:28:56.420 the evidence

01:28:57.100 and then making the decision

01:28:58.360 in public to himself

01:29:00.360 and that was the problem

01:29:02.640 and then the other thing is,

01:29:04.920 he's a narcissist

01:29:05.760 and an egomaniac

01:29:06.800 and he's always

01:29:07.420 too smart by half.

01:29:09.000 He always tries

01:29:10.000 to outthink

01:29:10.660 and manipulate

01:29:11.380 so he's thinking,

01:29:12.800 Hillary's going to be president

01:29:14.760 but I'll get a lot

01:29:17.380 of criticism

01:29:17.900 if I don't bring this up

01:29:19.380 like I was one

01:29:20.100 of her toadies

01:29:20.840 so I'm going to

01:29:21.640 kind of sort of

01:29:22.360 bring it up

01:29:22.940 and then kind of

01:29:23.520 sort of bring it down

01:29:24.580 and then when she's elected

01:29:25.940 I can kind of say,

01:29:26.860 you know,

01:29:27.100 I have a disinterested reputation

01:29:28.900 and that's the same thing

01:29:30.880 he did all the time.

01:29:32.360 He told Donald Trump,

01:29:33.580 you're kind of sort of

01:29:34.880 not the object

01:29:36.120 of an investigation

01:29:37.180 and then you're kind of

01:29:38.460 and then he would go out

01:29:39.360 and memorialize it,

01:29:40.520 put it in a safe

01:29:41.340 and then leak it

01:29:42.640 through a third party.

01:29:45.020 So it's really disturbing

01:29:47.420 because he's always trying to,

01:29:51.200 if he had just told the truth,

01:29:53.100 if he had just told the truth

01:29:54.420 he might be okay

01:29:55.520 but he tries to manipulate

01:29:57.140 and go into all of these

01:29:58.980 self-righteous,

01:30:00.540 narcissistic,

01:30:01.520 egocentric conspiracies

01:30:03.880 and he,

01:30:05.520 you know,

01:30:05.880 if you start lying,

01:30:07.100 oh what a terrible

01:30:07.920 web we weave

01:30:10.580 when we try to deceive

01:30:11.780 and that's what he does

01:30:13.280 and I hope that he gets,

01:30:14.900 they have a good prosecutor

01:30:16.080 and I hope they have

01:30:17.340 a good judge

01:30:18.000 because he's obviously culpable

01:30:19.540 but given what we've seen

01:30:22.160 with Alvin Bragg

01:30:23.080 and Latita James

01:30:24.100 and Jack Smith

01:30:26.040 and Fannie Willis,

01:30:27.200 the judges have

01:30:28.180 and the prosecutors

01:30:29.180 have been,

01:30:30.540 it's a very high bar

01:30:31.980 if you're representing

01:30:33.360 Well, I'll tell you something though.

01:30:33.980 Yeah.

01:30:34.580 I'll tell you something.

01:30:35.440 They may get this dismissed

01:30:38.060 as vindictive prosecution

01:30:39.500 though I don't know

01:30:40.880 that they will.

01:30:41.560 I actually don't think

01:30:42.480 that's got high hopes.

01:30:45.080 It's a very tough claim

01:30:46.080 to prove.

01:30:46.380 I hope not.

01:30:47.360 They may get it booted

01:30:48.500 because they're arguing

01:30:49.460 that Lindsay Halligan,

01:30:51.600 the acting,

01:30:52.820 or the U.S. attorney

01:30:53.580 wasn't properly appointed

01:30:55.120 and that's being handled

01:30:56.440 by another judge.

01:30:57.260 That could be a way out

01:30:58.380 for them.

01:30:58.720 We'll see.

01:30:59.760 But I no longer believe

01:31:01.240 they have a shot

01:31:02.020 of getting it dismissed

01:31:03.000 on the four corners

01:31:04.160 of the pleading

01:31:04.800 saying that they did not plead

01:31:06.420 a viable criminal complaint

01:31:08.360 against him,

01:31:09.540 that we are going to have

01:31:10.660 to get into this

01:31:11.300 because they do have

01:31:12.880 very clear evidence

01:31:14.100 that James Comey lied.

01:31:15.720 I actually wasn't as sure

01:31:16.840 about it before

01:31:17.520 because the indictment

01:31:18.720 was so vague.

01:31:19.860 But now that I see

01:31:20.680 the case coming together

01:31:21.640 and this supplemental filing,

01:31:24.360 they've got it.

01:31:25.420 Like, we'll see

01:31:26.080 whether the jury

01:31:26.580 finds it material

01:31:27.600 and relevant,

01:31:28.340 all that stuff,

01:31:28.920 but if they get to a jury.

01:31:29.980 But I don't think

01:31:30.480 the judge can dismiss

01:31:31.320 this on the paper,

01:31:32.840 on the four corners

01:31:33.560 of the document

01:31:34.200 or throw it out

01:31:35.760 for failure to state a claim

01:31:37.300 because they did

01:31:38.060 plead a very obvious

01:31:40.600 criminal complaint here

01:31:43.380 of him misleading Congress.

01:31:44.720 They've got the evidence.

01:31:46.060 It's going to be

01:31:46.700 very interesting

01:31:47.260 what Andrew McKay,

01:31:48.320 because he had been

01:31:49.600 found culpable,

01:31:51.060 guilty to lying

01:31:53.000 on four occasions

01:31:54.000 to federal investigators.

01:31:55.460 I think two of them

01:31:56.120 were under oath.

01:31:57.300 So his credibility

01:31:58.060 was not very good

01:31:59.300 if he was going to testify

01:32:00.380 that he had been authorized

01:32:01.600 by James Comey

01:32:04.200 to leak.

01:32:05.220 And he said he wasn't,

01:32:06.460 that he leaked

01:32:07.460 spontaneous.

01:32:08.620 He did not leak

01:32:09.740 spontaneously.

01:32:10.780 He had leaked

01:32:11.420 with the nod

01:32:12.840 of James Comey

01:32:13.780 and people,

01:32:14.960 I think...

01:32:15.600 That's not even the case.

01:32:16.820 People were mistaken

01:32:17.660 into thinking

01:32:18.420 that this case

01:32:19.080 brought against Comey

01:32:20.080 was about McCabe.

01:32:21.040 It's not.

01:32:21.780 It's about Richmond.

01:32:23.280 Yes, I know it.

01:32:24.320 But my point is

01:32:25.280 that if you can show

01:32:27.380 that Comey

01:32:28.700 was using other people

01:32:31.660 to leak

01:32:32.380 and lying about it,

01:32:34.340 and then when Ted Cruz

01:32:35.960 says,

01:32:36.340 McCabe said this,

01:32:37.120 you said this,

01:32:37.880 and that's going to come up,

01:32:38.880 then McCabe,

01:32:40.140 in a weird way,

01:32:41.160 his credibility

01:32:41.880 is enhanced

01:32:42.500 and Comey

01:32:43.580 is diminished.

01:32:45.380 Well, there's more.

01:32:46.680 Yeah.

01:32:47.100 There's more.

01:32:47.940 So there's another sound

01:32:49.020 that I want to play

01:32:49.540 for you

01:32:49.860 because this is also

01:32:50.800 undermined

01:32:51.360 by the documents

01:32:52.020 just released.

01:32:52.740 It's James Comey

01:32:54.740 testifying

01:32:55.820 at that same hearing

01:32:56.840 where Ted Cruz

01:32:57.460 cross-examined him

01:32:58.260 September 30th, 2020

01:32:59.700 in response

01:33:01.000 to Senator Lindsey Graham

01:33:02.840 asking him

01:33:04.900 about whether

01:33:06.100 he received intel,

01:33:08.300 which we know

01:33:09.260 he did

01:33:10.060 thanks to the documents

01:33:11.240 that have been

01:33:11.700 declassified

01:33:12.560 through Cash Patel,

01:33:15.300 whether he remembers

01:33:16.600 receiving intelligence

01:33:17.800 intelligence about

01:33:18.300 Hillary Clinton's plans

01:33:19.960 to try to connect

01:33:21.920 Donald Trump

01:33:22.780 to Russia.

01:33:23.840 This came out

01:33:25.040 over the summer

01:33:26.040 where we saw

01:33:27.000 that they had

01:33:28.740 received intelligence

01:33:29.780 showing that Hillary

01:33:31.760 had this plan.

01:33:32.840 And then lo and behold,

01:33:33.780 what did she try to do?

01:33:34.880 She tried to connect

01:33:35.980 Trump to Russia.

01:33:37.120 So this is Senator Graham

01:33:38.760 in September of 2020,

01:33:41.120 long after it's all happened,

01:33:42.800 asking James Comey

01:33:44.240 whether he remembers

01:33:45.320 being told that

01:33:46.840 by the intel agents.

01:33:49.300 Watch this.

01:33:50.240 Side 8.

01:33:51.080 September the 7th,

01:33:53.480 2016,

01:33:54.480 U.S. intelligence

01:33:55.240 officials forwarded

01:33:56.520 an investigative referral

01:33:57.920 of FBI

01:33:58.640 to FBI Director

01:34:00.120 James Comey

01:34:01.460 and Assistant Director

01:34:02.860 of Counterintelligence

01:34:03.860 Peter Strzok

01:34:04.520 regarding U.S.

01:34:06.120 presidential candidate

01:34:07.100 Hillary Clinton's

01:34:08.300 approval of a plan

01:34:09.660 concerning U.S.

01:34:10.660 presidential candidate

01:34:12.140 Donald Trump

01:34:12.880 and Russian hackers

01:34:14.800 hampering U.S.

01:34:16.500 elections

01:34:16.920 as a means

01:34:17.920 of distracting

01:34:18.680 the public

01:34:19.440 from her use

01:34:20.580 of a private email server.

01:34:22.380 You don't remember

01:34:23.060 getting that

01:34:23.740 or being taught?

01:34:25.960 That doesn't ring

01:34:27.180 any bells with me.

01:34:28.040 Okay.

01:34:28.600 Well, that's a pretty

01:34:29.060 stunning thing.

01:34:29.820 It didn't ring a bell,

01:34:30.760 but it did come to you.

01:34:34.120 Didn't ring a bell.

01:34:35.660 James Comey

01:34:36.360 wanted Congress

01:34:37.220 to believe.

01:34:38.640 And yet now

01:34:39.280 they've produced

01:34:40.300 the actual

01:34:41.900 handwritten note

01:34:43.220 showing it right here

01:34:44.400 on screen.

01:34:45.200 James Comey's

01:34:46.780 own handwritten note,

01:34:48.020 which I'll read to you.

01:34:49.160 It's dated

01:34:49.560 September 26th,

01:34:51.560 2016.

01:34:53.740 And there's a line item

01:34:55.380 that reads

01:34:55.880 HRC plan

01:34:57.720 to tie Trump.

01:35:00.640 HRC plan

01:35:01.740 to try

01:35:02.720 to tie Trump.

01:35:04.320 And then there's a note

01:35:05.240 a couple doors

01:35:05.820 or a couple lines down

01:35:06.920 saying

01:35:07.360 carry Trump

01:35:09.120 finance

01:35:09.960 debts,

01:35:10.780 I think it says,

01:35:11.960 for Moscow.

01:35:14.240 I mentioned

01:35:15.100 New York Times

01:35:15.800 and Russia.

01:35:16.920 It's very clearly

01:35:18.060 in the context

01:35:18.740 of Russia

01:35:19.240 he's saying

01:35:19.800 Hillary Clinton

01:35:20.400 planned to tie Trump.

01:35:22.640 And we know,

01:35:24.040 we know that she

01:35:24.720 had that plan

01:35:25.380 because we've now

01:35:26.960 seen all the intel

01:35:28.380 that was circulating

01:35:29.340 at the FBI

01:35:30.760 and CIA

01:35:32.420 who had unearthed

01:35:34.920 thanks to

01:35:35.620 the Russians

01:35:37.060 who had been,

01:35:37.600 it's a long story

01:35:38.300 but basically

01:35:38.800 somebody had been spying,

01:35:40.140 I think it was

01:35:40.960 the Australians

01:35:41.580 had been spying

01:35:42.520 on the Russians

01:35:43.340 and found talk

01:35:45.780 of this plan.

01:35:47.020 And they brought it

01:35:47.960 to our intel agents

01:35:49.020 saying,

01:35:49.820 hey FYI,

01:35:50.420 Hillary Clinton's

01:35:51.060 up to some dirty business

01:35:52.140 in case you're interested.

01:35:53.360 And our intelligence

01:35:54.600 agencies discussed it.

01:35:55.640 We learned that

01:35:56.220 over the summer.

01:35:56.880 And now you see

01:35:57.540 the James Comey notes

01:35:58.600 saying it

01:35:59.340 and that

01:36:00.300 then you see

01:36:01.140 the testimony

01:36:01.560 that he didn't

01:36:02.060 remember,

01:36:02.720 Victor.

01:36:03.060 This isn't like,

01:36:04.180 hey,

01:36:04.460 do you know

01:36:04.860 what salad

01:36:05.900 you had

01:36:06.600 four years ago

01:36:07.500 on a Friday?

01:36:08.360 This is,

01:36:09.240 did the Democrat

01:36:10.820 candidate

01:36:11.440 for president

01:36:12.420 have a plan

01:36:14.080 to drive

01:36:14.600 the Republican

01:36:15.260 candidate

01:36:15.720 for president

01:36:16.420 to Russia,

01:36:17.700 which is an investigation

01:36:18.820 you then pursued

01:36:19.880 for months

01:36:20.380 and tried to ruin

01:36:21.160 his first term with?

01:36:23.200 Yeah,

01:36:23.840 but remember

01:36:24.800 that he testified,

01:36:26.120 I think it was

01:36:26.420 to the House

01:36:26.960 Oversight Committee

01:36:27.900 on Tua

01:36:28.940 and that ring

01:36:30.180 doesn't ring a bell.

01:36:31.960 Not aware of that.

01:36:33.360 Couldn't quite remember that.

01:36:35.380 People had maybe

01:36:36.460 said that,

01:36:37.160 but I never heard it.

01:36:38.140 That's what he said

01:36:38.760 245 times under oath.

01:36:41.520 And they went through

01:36:42.300 all of these questions

01:36:43.440 and he,

01:36:43.960 and he,

01:36:45.440 there was no perjury

01:36:46.560 referrals or anything.

01:36:47.920 So I agree

01:36:49.340 110%

01:36:50.520 with everything

01:36:51.120 you've,

01:36:51.560 your analysis,

01:36:52.620 but I'm,

01:36:53.500 given that he,

01:36:55.060 what he's done

01:36:56.420 and what McCabe

01:36:58.540 did

01:36:58.980 and what Brennan

01:36:59.960 did

01:37:00.320 and what Clapper

01:37:01.180 did,

01:37:01.880 all of them.

01:37:03.000 And yet,

01:37:03.920 all we hear

01:37:04.880 is retribution,

01:37:05.780 revenge her,

01:37:06.500 revenge her,

01:37:07.180 when the real issue

01:37:08.040 is not that

01:37:09.480 Donald Trump

01:37:10.280 in a revenge fashion,

01:37:11.820 although maybe

01:37:12.320 he had vengeance

01:37:13.120 on his mind

01:37:13.940 and that weighed

01:37:14.680 into it,

01:37:15.220 but that doesn't

01:37:15.680 really matter.

01:37:16.400 The matter is

01:37:16.900 whether they're

01:37:17.780 culpable or not.

01:37:18.840 And for the entire

01:37:20.620 Biden administration,

01:37:23.000 they were given

01:37:23.540 exemptions.

01:37:24.620 And the whole purpose

01:37:25.820 was so that the

01:37:26.640 statute of limitations

01:37:27.580 they thought

01:37:28.140 would run out

01:37:28.860 in the small chance

01:37:30.580 that Donald Trump

01:37:31.280 would ever be elected

01:37:32.160 again,

01:37:32.500 they thought.

01:37:33.800 But they're all

01:37:34.400 culpable.

01:37:35.520 And they're so,

01:37:37.820 James Comey is so,

01:37:39.500 he's the most grating

01:37:40.660 because he is the

01:37:41.740 most sanctimonious.

01:37:43.040 You know,

01:37:43.220 he's always saying

01:37:43.980 I'm wandering

01:37:44.940 on the beach

01:37:45.680 reading Nietzsche

01:37:47.380 and I'm reading

01:37:48.160 Kilgard

01:37:49.360 and I'm reading

01:37:50.100 all of these

01:37:51.200 philosophers.

01:37:52.040 Oh, by the way,

01:37:52.960 I just saw this

01:37:53.860 86-47 on the beach.

01:37:56.120 I don't,

01:37:56.760 I have no idea

01:37:57.560 what it means.

01:37:58.580 My wife,

01:37:59.020 he's a pathological

01:38:01.620 liar.

01:38:03.800 He really is.

01:38:04.640 And is a narcissist.

01:38:06.060 Wait, let me,

01:38:06.640 we only have a few

01:38:07.340 minutes left,

01:38:07.760 but I want to get to this

01:38:08.540 because you mentioned

01:38:09.040 Brennan.

01:38:09.480 There was news about him.

01:38:10.880 So Brennan went to some,

01:38:12.760 it was like some conference

01:38:13.840 over the weekend

01:38:14.480 and he was confronted

01:38:16.040 in a great exchange

01:38:18.360 about him joining

01:38:20.180 with the 51

01:38:21.080 intelligence analysts

01:38:22.240 to try to dismiss

01:38:23.300 the Hunter Biden

01:38:24.780 laptop as possible

01:38:26.340 Russian disinformation

01:38:27.440 and he got very angry.

01:38:30.500 Here's Sot 10.

01:38:32.920 I would like to hear

01:38:34.260 what your justification

01:38:35.200 was for supporting

01:38:37.140 the dossier

01:38:37.940 that was known

01:38:39.320 to be false

01:38:40.120 being used

01:38:41.640 as source material

01:38:42.680 in the second ICA.

01:38:46.040 I don't know

01:38:46.620 who put you up to this.

01:38:47.700 Nobody put me up to this

01:38:48.520 or I'm here on my own.

01:38:49.300 I don't know what role

01:38:49.680 you played

01:38:50.160 or who you are,

01:38:51.220 but it's a bunch of bullshit

01:38:52.120 that you just passed on.

01:38:53.840 Absolutely.

01:38:54.300 The emails are clear, sir.

01:38:55.800 Bullshit.

01:38:56.400 The emails are clear.

01:38:57.560 Bullshit.

01:38:58.200 The emails are clear.

01:38:59.320 Next.

01:38:59.600 The second question.

01:39:01.100 Next.

01:39:01.720 I think we're going to go to it.

01:39:02.460 Next.

01:39:02.780 Next.

01:39:03.180 Next.

01:39:03.760 Next.

01:39:04.180 Next.

01:39:05.020 Next.

01:39:05.300 You can.

01:39:05.980 Next.

01:39:07.020 Next.

01:39:07.740 Look, we can talk about it

01:39:09.120 go away.

01:39:09.720 Talk about it in the reception.

01:39:10.820 Russian disinformation.

01:39:11.620 No, we didn't say that.

01:39:12.700 No one gets a fact straight.

01:39:13.720 You said it was likely

01:39:14.580 Russian disinformation.

01:39:15.400 No, we did not.

01:39:16.300 We said it.

01:39:16.740 Yes, you did.

01:39:17.300 No.

01:39:18.480 Read the letter.

01:39:19.700 I'm sorry.

01:39:20.780 And I just like,

01:39:21.680 I know I'm going to get uninvited.

01:39:23.040 Yeah.

01:39:23.440 It's going to be after hours.

01:39:24.560 No.

01:39:24.940 No.

01:39:25.520 You're done.

01:39:26.680 Come on.

01:39:27.160 All right.

01:39:27.480 We're going to go over here.

01:39:28.440 This is disinformation.

01:39:28.940 Let's go over here for a question.

01:39:31.720 Okay.

01:39:32.140 That was Thomas Speciale,

01:39:33.400 a conservative national security consultant,

01:39:35.780 putting him to it.

01:39:36.940 And then just another quick one.

01:39:39.160 Then John Brennan was confronted

01:39:40.760 outside the conference

01:39:41.960 on the same subject,

01:39:43.560 SOT 11.

01:39:44.080 And you misrepresented that.

01:39:53.100 We never said it was disinformation.

01:39:54.420 We said it was Russian influence operations,

01:39:56.220 which is what they do.

01:39:57.100 There's a big difference between influence operations

01:39:58.880 and the new election.

01:39:59.900 No, you don't know that.

01:40:00.900 Yes.

01:40:01.280 You don't know.

01:40:02.080 No, we knew.

01:40:03.060 Finger in the chest.

01:40:04.040 All markets.

01:40:05.440 Oh.

01:40:05.940 Why don't we know?

01:40:07.980 You see how he walked away?

01:40:09.420 Yeah, that was the biggest...

01:40:10.080 Yeah, he walked away.

01:40:10.680 He was very angry.

01:40:11.860 Keep going.

01:40:12.200 When Mike...

01:40:13.700 Yeah, when Mike...

01:40:14.820 When Anthony Blinken,

01:40:16.980 on somebody's prompt,

01:40:18.380 we probably know who that is,

01:40:20.840 cooked up this idea

01:40:21.900 that it was going to be very embarrassing

01:40:24.740 on the last debate in 2020.

01:40:27.760 And Joe Biden was going to be asked

01:40:29.980 about this laptop,

01:40:31.440 which the New York Post

01:40:32.540 had pretty much shown it was genuine.

01:40:34.760 And I think the FBI,

01:40:36.720 who'd had it almost a year,

01:40:37.920 was leaking that it was genuine.

01:40:39.980 They sprung into action.

01:40:41.180 So Blinken called Mike Morrell,

01:40:42.880 the former interim director of the CIA,

01:40:44.660 and said,

01:40:45.020 get the gang out.

01:40:46.720 And they got Hayden,

01:40:47.540 and they got Leon Panetta,

01:40:49.140 but especially Clapper and Brennan.

01:40:51.920 And then they had a problem

01:40:53.080 because they knew that it was genuine,

01:40:55.360 and it would hurt Biden

01:40:56.400 because you know what was in it,

01:40:57.700 the big guy, Mr. 10%,

01:40:59.520 besides all the pornography and the drugs.

01:41:02.320 So they came up with this word game,

01:41:05.200 this gymnastics.

01:41:06.220 It has all the hallmarks

01:41:09.160 of a Russian information campaign.

01:41:12.820 And of course,

01:41:13.480 the synonym for all that

01:41:15.820 was disinformation.

01:41:17.180 So when Brennan is confronted with that,

01:41:19.560 he says,

01:41:20.160 well, I didn't say it was disinformation.

01:41:23.280 I didn't say that it was disinformation.

01:41:25.880 I said that it was just the Russians

01:41:27.700 were trying to pass something off.

01:41:31.560 It may or may not have been just...

01:41:33.220 Yeah, an influence operation.

01:41:35.180 That's all.

01:41:35.740 Yes.

01:41:36.340 So how are they trying to influence?

01:41:39.080 But you saw him blow up

01:41:40.780 about the dossier,

01:41:42.480 which he was told was bogus.

01:41:45.560 And Obama,

01:41:46.640 he said to Obama,

01:41:47.720 and so did Clapper,

01:41:48.620 and so did Comey,

01:41:50.080 and to others,

01:41:51.180 our subordinates know that it's bogus.

01:41:54.360 And they were told to go back

01:41:56.320 and get back,

01:41:57.200 and that it was not,

01:41:58.540 and to run with it,

01:41:59.640 i.e. to the press,

01:42:01.160 and then the laptop,

01:42:02.160 and the disinformation laptop thing,

01:42:04.980 and the dossier

01:42:06.840 are really going to hurt him.

01:42:07.800 So if he can't even answer that,

01:42:10.260 and he blows up,

01:42:11.640 and he gets angry,

01:42:12.900 and he uses all of,

01:42:14.020 you know,

01:42:14.240 bull crap,

01:42:15.200 and he storms off,

01:42:16.840 and he did the same thing

01:42:18.120 when he was caught

01:42:18.960 lying to the Senate

01:42:20.500 about the Senate computer staffers.

01:42:23.120 They said,

01:42:23.540 you've been,

01:42:23.880 the CIA director,

01:42:24.940 Brennan,

01:42:25.260 you've been tapping into these,

01:42:27.180 and he blew up.

01:42:27.800 No, I haven't.

01:42:28.440 We would never do that.

01:42:29.480 Same thing about targeted assassinations,

01:42:32.560 about collateral damage.

01:42:34.300 He lied twice,

01:42:35.260 but I hope that he does that

01:42:37.020 if he gets indicted,

01:42:38.760 because I don't think

01:42:39.840 a good prosecutor

01:42:40.900 will allow that blow up

01:42:43.300 and those psychodramatics to work.

01:42:45.420 And it's so revisionist.

01:42:47.080 He can't answer that,

01:42:47.360 because he, yeah,

01:42:47.720 he knows that he lied.

01:42:48.720 Every headline,

01:42:49.520 every headline at the time,

01:42:50.640 I just pulled one,

01:42:51.320 Politico,

01:42:52.120 Hunter Biden's story

01:42:53.100 is Russian disinfo,

01:42:54.820 dozens of former Intel officials say.

01:42:56.980 That was the headline.

01:42:57.700 Did John Brennan run around

01:43:00.160 trying to correct it,

01:43:01.300 saying,

01:43:01.640 no,

01:43:02.020 not disinformation.

01:43:03.620 It's just an influence operation.

01:43:05.700 And let me explain to you the difference.

01:43:07.600 The guy is a liar.

01:43:09.440 He's caught.

01:43:10.420 And I agree with you.

01:43:11.520 I hope he gets a come up and support.

01:43:13.060 And the FBI knew that.

01:43:14.320 Remember,

01:43:14.840 Christopher Wray,

01:43:15.780 they had the FBI,

01:43:16.980 they had the laptop.

01:43:18.220 They had already done authentic,

01:43:20.280 to see if it was authentic.

01:43:21.680 They had done forensic on it.

01:43:23.560 They knew that it was Hunter's.

01:43:24.700 The lap stop owner knew.

01:43:28.000 He had the receipt

01:43:28.940 that Hunter had left it there.

01:43:31.460 So it wasn't even a question of doubt at all.

01:43:34.880 It's just,

01:43:35.500 he's been humiliated now.

01:43:37.300 So he wants to revise history.

01:43:40.240 Victor Davis Hanson,

01:43:41.440 he tells us real history

01:43:42.500 every time he comes on.

01:43:43.620 And for that,

01:43:44.220 we are always grateful.

01:43:46.060 Thank you,

01:43:46.360 VDH.

01:43:46.880 See you soon.

01:43:47.380 Thank you.

01:43:48.180 Thank you.

01:43:48.760 We'll see Victor live out in California.

01:43:50.980 And you can come watch that too.

01:43:52.280 Go to megankelly.com tomorrow.

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Dangers of Mamdani, Shapiro vs. Tucker, and the Strong Case Against Comey, with Matt Walsh and Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 1186

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