The Megyn Kelly Show - Daniel Penny NOT Guilty, Trump Spars with NBC, and CEO Assassin Possibly Caught, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Amala Ekpunobi, and Link Lauren

00:00:00.400 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.980 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show where Christmas came early.

00:00:17.800 Thank God Daniel Penny has been found not guilty. Thank God. Thank God.

00:00:26.020 I think all of us are feeling the same thing. Thank God. And how on earth was he charged in the

00:00:31.540 first place? Right? And we are going to dissect those two questions. Well, thank God is something

00:00:36.460 we're thinking about a lot these days. I think since November 5th, a lot of us have been saying

00:00:40.100 that many, many times. Things are about to change in America for the good, in the world for the good.

00:00:45.200 They're already starting to. But this is, it feels like divine intervention because that thug,

00:00:51.760 Alvin Bragg, brought these charges where they never should have been brought.

00:00:57.480 And then as his case was falling apart on Friday, you remember we had Maureen here, Callahan,

00:01:02.500 he refused to accept a mistrial when the jury was hung. They were hung on the most serious charge

00:01:10.300 that had been brought against Daniel Penny, accused of killing Jordan Neely, just a Michael

00:01:18.800 Jackson impersonator on the subway. No, that's not what happened. Jordan Neely got on that subway and

00:01:23.640 was menacing, seriously threatening the other passengers. They were terrified and they testified

00:01:29.860 to exactly that in front of this jury. Uh, they never should have brought the case, but, but Bragg

00:01:35.560 charged reckless homicide against Daniel Penny, which is a very serious charge. It's, it's manslaughter

00:01:42.920 and the jury could not reach a verdict on it. The next rung down was criminally negligent homicide,

00:01:52.020 which is a lower burden, right? Recklessness is worth the negligence. Recklessness is you see the

00:01:58.120 risk and you recklessly disregard it. Negligent is you were negligent and failing to see the risk.

00:02:03.200 Um, but Bragg only charged that top charge to try to get to a compromise verdict on negligent homicide.

00:02:12.200 He knew he didn't have Daniel Penny on recklessness, that disgusting thug. Again,

00:02:19.200 he did this to Trump and now he did this to Daniel Penny. And now the final, finally a jury has given

00:02:26.340 him the double barrel bird of F off Alvin Bragg. Stop doing this shit. He won with his first jury

00:02:34.940 with Trump, as you know, but the American people overruled him. Um, so now the jury was sent back

00:02:43.580 to go deliberate on the serious, but less serious charge of criminally negligent homicide. And that's

00:02:52.500 where they were told to resume this morning at 9am. And the Alvin Bragg's play was that

00:02:58.040 once they couldn't get to a verdict on the most serious one in his mind, I think he thought they'd

00:03:03.300 been in the jury room and they'd say, okay, you know, his best case scenario was they'd go along

00:03:06.920 with him on that one. His next best was they won't go along with me on that and they'll acquit on that

00:03:11.700 one. But as a compromise verdict, they'll go for the negligent homicide. What happened on Friday was

00:03:15.660 they couldn't reach a verdict on the most serious charge. And that's the point at which the defense

00:03:20.700 lawyer asked for a mistrial and that request should have been granted. That's what should

00:03:24.780 have happened. But instead they allowed the prosecution to drop the charge, to drop the

00:03:31.780 charge. Like it had never been brought. Like we can just keep going. Let's just not pretend the jury's

00:03:36.860 deadlocked at all. We still have a viable claim in there. And the judge did it. And, and so there

00:03:43.000 was real risk to, can you imagine if the jury had gone along with this and it said, okay, all right,

00:03:48.680 fine. We will find him guilty of the one he was really going for all along the criminally

00:03:53.300 negligent homicide. Well, they didn't, they didn't, they saw through this farce of a trial

00:04:00.300 per Matthew Russell, who's with inner city press. He was inside the courtroom when the verdict was

00:04:06.200 read reports. He reports that applause rang out from Daniel Penny's side in the courtroom.

00:04:11.640 Meanwhile, someone over on Neely's side, he's describing him as the victim. He wasn't the

00:04:18.620 victim. He was the aggressor. He was the criminal on that subway car that day who was seriously

00:04:27.340 threatening other passengers. He had a long history of hurting them. And somebody on his side yelled out

00:04:33.620 in the courtroom, it's a racist country. Hello, madam or soothe, sir. That's not working anymore.

00:04:39.260 You're going to have to find a new line. I don't know what it's going to be,

00:04:43.500 but the BLM era is officially over. It's over. You had us in some sort of weird psychotic

00:04:52.700 headspin for four or five years and it's done. Trump's reelected and Daniel Penny is acquitted

00:05:01.520 in one of the most leftist jurisdictions in America, despite the fact that he is white

00:05:08.860 and Jordan Neely was black. And they're still yelling, it's a racist country. You fools,

00:05:16.400 you absolute fools. And by the way, it's not just someone over on Jordan Neely's side.

00:05:21.840 This is, we had news coming into today that the outgoing chair of the DNC said his party is insane.

00:05:28.620 If they think the message of this election was to rethink identity politics,

00:05:33.800 double down, sir, triple down, quadru, do it. Enjoy oblivion. Enjoy your desert island

00:05:42.980 where you have no one applauding anything you say and certainly no one voting for you.

00:05:48.900 I look forward to watching you there. CNN reports that Neely's father also had to be escorted from the

00:05:57.140 courtroom after shouting an expletive. Where was he? Where was he when Jordan Neely had

00:06:03.340 dozens of arrests over the years when he was punching 67 year old women in the face? Where

00:06:10.060 was the grieving dad then? I don't, I'm not sure. Now he's suing Daniel Penny. Oh, okay.

00:06:18.400 You're going to get your money. Now you're totally behind your son. I don't feel sorry for you.

00:06:22.600 I don't. Sorry. I don't. Meantime, the Associated Press did what that vile organization

00:06:29.340 always does. Sent out a breaking, a breaking news tweet on the verdict that read breaking Daniel

00:06:35.380 Penny, the veteran who used a chokehold on subway rider, Jordan Neely has been acquitted in Neely's

00:06:42.280 death. Yes. Neely who went on the train and you know what was just singing and dancing in his Michael

00:06:49.280 Jackson routine? Is that what he was doing AP? Or was there more than that? He actually was

00:06:53.320 shouting out at the commuters, someone's going to die today. He was on K2, some hugely intensive drug

00:07:04.000 that there was testimony that the drugs could have been the cause of his death. That's how cracked up

00:07:09.740 he was. And he's just a regular subway rider. Mean, terrible, racist Jordan Neely, for some unknown

00:07:19.560 reason, put him in a chokehold and died and killed him. Notwithstanding all the evidence we have about

00:07:26.360 what Jordan Neely was doing to the subway riders that day. Joining me now to discuss it all, Batya

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00:08:52.140 Batya, welcome back. What do you make of this verdict?

00:08:54.700 Thank you so much for having me on this great day for our nation. I think you're totally right

00:09:01.280 that this joins Donald Trump's massive victory in dispelling the mythology that the leftist elites

00:09:09.320 would have us believe that this country is divided by race, or still racist, or even divided by a

00:09:15.480 political party. I think what this verdict shows is that we are no longer under the grip of this

00:09:23.340 false myth that we're still racist, that we're divided by race, or even that we're divided by

00:09:28.380 political party. You know, you look at that jury, and that jury looks a lot like America. And I think

00:09:34.220 a lot of people were thinking, oh, you know, therefore, they're going to side with Jordan

00:09:37.960 Neely over Daniel Penny. And of course, they didn't. It's such a great day for America. And I just am so

00:09:43.740 grateful to God. I think the other thing that's happening here, Megan is, you know, the Daniel Penny

00:09:49.900 trial was really a mirror for a debate that this country is having about masculinity, right? We're

00:09:57.480 talking a lot about this idea of, you know, toxic masculinity, should men be embarrassed to be men,

00:10:05.840 to be macho, to be protectors, or want to be protectors, to be providers, or want to be providers?

00:10:12.560 Or are those things that a society actually needs? And I think that this trial was so much about that,

00:10:19.820 about a man standing up in a subway car full of women and children and saying, I will not allow

00:10:26.140 these women to be threatened in this manner, to be terrified when I am sitting here, because of course,

00:10:33.100 God probably put me here for exactly this reason. And I think the way that you saw this case was very

00:10:38.840 much what side of this debate do you fall on? Do you think that a society actually needs strong men,

00:10:44.940 providers, defenders, men who are proud to be men in order to function? Or do you think that we should

00:10:50.160 continue down the leftist path of demanding that men apologize for being men, just like we've demanded

00:10:56.700 that white people apologize for being white? And what this verdict shows, Megan, is that this is not a

00:11:02.900 divide between left versus right. This is a divide between a leftist crazy elite who hates this

00:11:11.220 country, hates men, hates white people, and the rest of us who are totally united around love of

00:11:19.120 country, love of our fellow Americans, regardless of their race, and the desire for women and children

00:11:25.580 to be protected and safe and for men to be able to take pride in being men.

00:11:29.400 As if Daniel Penny would have behaved any differently if Jordan Neely had come onto that

00:11:36.520 subway car, done exactly the same things, but had been a white guy. It's absurd. There's absolutely

00:11:43.360 no reason, nothing in his history, nothing to suggest any of that race had nothing to do with this.

00:11:51.280 It was Jordan Neely's behavior that had to do with this. This is from outside of the courtroom,

00:11:57.940 I understand. And it's a Jordan Neely supporter reacting to the not guilty verdict.

00:12:05.700 Got to stop that. We have to change how we impact each other. Jordan came on that subway car.

00:12:12.440 The first thing he asked for was food and he was killed. And the person who killed him

00:12:19.060 was not held responsible. We cannot allow this to keep happening.

00:12:23.800 That is such an outrage. I'll tell you, you know, full disclosure, nobody will be shocked.

00:12:30.440 A, I live in Connecticut and B, I don't really have to anymore. I don't ride the subway anymore,

00:12:35.040 but I used to ride it every day for years, for years to get to work, both when I was a lawyer and

00:12:40.300 when I was at Fox. And I've had countless, countless subway riders approach me for money or food or some

00:12:48.580 sort of handout. Countless. That happens to every New Yorker every day they're down there.

00:12:53.940 This was something entirely different. And how dare he try to lump Jordan Neely in with the vast

00:13:01.720 majority of people who are homeless, who are on the subway, who are trying to get some sort of a

00:13:05.900 handout. That's not what this was at all. He was in a class, not of one, but a smaller,

00:13:12.160 but more pernicious class of subway rider that, you know, you know, as a subway rider are genuinely

00:13:19.640 dangerous to you or your children. A hundred percent. I ride the subway all the time.

00:13:24.900 There are a lot of people who are on the subway who I wish weren't on the subway because of

00:13:28.640 the way that they are acting, the way that they smell, the way that they are talking to me or other

00:13:33.000 people. But the idea that they need to be restrained, I think none of us would have accepted

00:13:38.640 that. And you're totally right, that this was a completely different situation. You saw footage

00:13:43.600 that came out during the trial of women saying, I'm so glad that Daniel Penny was there because I felt

00:13:51.680 so scared. There was a woman there with a child who was trying to protect her child, people hiding,

00:13:57.900 people trying to get away from it. These are very different from the sort of average, although also,

00:14:03.440 you know, disturbing situations that one encounters very regularly on the subway, which would not have

00:14:07.600 warranted anything close to what Daniel Penny did. That said, there has been a lot of improvement

00:14:12.540 on the subway. I think, you know, Eric Adams really did take this to heart. He was very much on the

00:14:16.760 right side of this. He came out in defense of Daniel Penny and said that what he did was totally

00:14:22.200 legitimate. Former cop Eric Adams. And so I think they have been making an effort to really clean up

00:14:27.260 the subway in this way. But I think you're totally right about that, Megan. Andy McCarthy reporting today

00:14:32.480 for Fox News actually hit yesterday. In the real world, there wasn't anything racist in Penny's

00:14:38.280 interaction, intervention as Neely threatened passengers. Yes, the happenstance is that Penny's

00:14:43.120 white, Neely was black, but Neely was intimidating all of the train passengers, regardless of race.

00:14:48.780 Penny was assisted in subduing him by non-white passengers. Some of the best witnesses in the case

00:14:54.760 for Daniel Penny have been black passengers who have described how scared they were and how heroic

00:15:01.260 Daniel Penny was. One of the witnesses actually got up there and smiled and said thank you to Daniel

00:15:09.240 Penny for his behavior after she testified. I mean, the jury understood what we all understand, which is

00:15:16.300 you can look at it with 20-20 hindsight and say, oh, gee, he should have let him go or, oh,

00:15:21.100 gee, he should have handled it differently. A lot of us don't think that either. But you could. You

00:15:25.800 could look at it. But I mean, a minuscule number of Americans would look at this and say, he, Daniel

00:15:32.420 Penny, is a criminal. He should be locked up for what he did. And this is, I'll tell you, John

00:15:39.160 Podortz had the tweet of the day, which is great. Podortz is brilliant. And tweeted out the following.

00:15:45.800 Today is a day to celebrate the jury system and the fair administration of justice.

00:15:49.340 Tomorrow begins the relentless effort to get Alvin Bragg the fuck out of that office.

00:15:55.480 That's exactly right. Not just Bragg, but all of these left wing woke prosecutors who care more

00:16:03.160 about skin color and how it's going to play with their constituencies than they do about justice.

00:16:12.620 Yeah. And honestly, when I saw that there were black people on the jury, I was very relieved because

00:16:16.720 I knew that they would play a counterbalance or I suspected they would play a counterbalance to any

00:16:21.360 woke white progressives who are the main driving force behind the re-racialization of everything

00:16:27.500 in the woke leftist mindset. This is being pushed by people who are progressive and upper class and

00:16:33.040 people of means who never have to deal with the consequences of these insane policies like defund the

00:16:38.840 police and Alvin Bragg and decriminalization of, you know, horrible stuff that impacts working

00:16:43.540 class Americans every day. Meanwhile, it's working class Americans, working class people of color

00:16:47.960 overwhelmingly in New York who overwhelmingly favor more moderate policies and more moderate

00:16:53.180 people like Eric Adams. So I think that you're totally right again, Megan, and that we really need

00:16:58.840 to start seeing this moment for what it is, a moment being ushered in by Donald Trump and then all of

00:17:05.760 these down ballot and, you know, downstream effects of being able to see ourselves once again as the United

00:17:12.140 States of America who are organized primarily around the desire for every American, regardless of color

00:17:18.440 and regardless of creed, to have a fair shot at the American dream. Here's more from Andy.

00:17:26.740 Shamefully, quoting here, Judge Maxwell Wiley has allowed Alvin Bragg's prosecutors to refer to

00:17:33.540 Daniel Penny as, quote, the white man and, quote, the white defendant, notwithstanding that Penny's

00:17:40.680 whiteness is irrelevant. They're not being a scintilla of proof that he was bigoted. He says that

00:17:48.520 Drett Bragg's approach is transparently jaded appeal to any Manhattan progressives on the jury with a race

00:17:54.660 based ideological pitch that social justice demands finding Penny guilty. This is so gross.

00:18:02.660 It's so wrong. And it's such an injustice for this absolute prick of a prosecutor to try to unleash

00:18:08.760 on one of his citizens. His his job is to seek justice. That's his job. It is not to pander to the most

00:18:17.180 leftist woke part of the Democratic cult. And that's what he's been doing, both with the Trump

00:18:23.300 indictment. And now this he needs to be voted out of this office. He is a danger. He's a danger.

00:18:32.460 Here's some more from inside the courtroom. When the words not guilty were heard inside the courtroom,

00:18:41.880 Daniel Penny's lawyer slapped his palm on the defense table and turned to hug Mr. Penny, who had

00:18:47.400 a large grin on his face. It was the first smile Daniel Penny had smiled in court. Another of his

00:18:53.320 lawyers, Stephen Razor, stood and kissed his client on the cheek. Can only imagine the relief on his side

00:19:02.040 today and like the enormous exhale that he's finally going to be able to breathe. But the problem

00:19:08.440 remains, Batya, A, where do you go to get your reputation back? Right. And B, just the process alone

00:19:16.540 may really well be enough to discourage another would be good Samaritan from stepping in in the next

00:19:22.460 case. A hundred percent. I think you saw the same thing with Jose Alba, who was that bodega store

00:19:28.940 worker who was attacked by a young black man and who, you know, defended himself with a knife from being

00:19:35.480 physically attacked. The guy died. And then, of course, Bragg again, you know, arrested Jose Alba.

00:19:42.520 Now he let him go later because he's not white. So, you know, the law of wokeness allowed for him

00:19:48.340 to be released. That's right. It could be a jail free card. Exactly. How many, you know, bodega owners

00:19:54.720 after that would hesitate to defend themselves? And I think you're totally right. You see people saying

00:19:59.540 now all the time, I would never lift a finger to help a stranger in New York City after this,

00:20:03.620 because I don't want this to happen to me. The chilling effect that we see from the literal

00:20:09.460 criminalization of masculinity. That's what this was, right? Daniel Penny behaved as a man

00:20:15.160 should. He protected women and children and they criminalized him for it. They made him a criminal,

00:20:21.460 right? The criminalization of masculinity has such a dastardly impact on society and on men's ability

00:20:29.280 to say, look, this is what we were given the testosterone for, right? To stand up and protect

00:20:34.360 women. And Megan, like I said, I'm on the subway often and things happen. And you just think to

00:20:39.760 yourself, why do no men stand up and do anything? And this is why. Yeah. Oh, you're absolutely right.

00:20:46.580 That's such an interesting way into the whole case. Like that's one of the things that was being

00:20:51.260 debated. Do we still want that or don't we? And what men will continue saying, I will be a Daniel

00:20:56.780 Penny. I don't care if it causes upheaval in my life. I know what's right and wrong on the subject

00:21:02.320 of, you know, the white man, the white defendant. Um, and you know, just a subway rider killing just

00:21:07.820 as the black subway rider. Um, the New Yorker, Alex Berenson on Twitter was pointing this out.

00:21:13.420 The New Yorker described this case as, um, that of the subway dancer strangled by the ex Marine,

00:21:19.780 the subway dancer strangled by the ex Marine. My God. I mean, this is what we're up against.

00:21:28.520 This is what he was up against. This is what we're up against as a society,

00:21:31.820 this sort of blatant misrepresentation and spin. I mean, again, we go back to this a lot,

00:21:36.640 but it's true. Thank God. Thank God for the digital lane for X, for a whole new ecosystem in

00:21:43.680 the United States where truth can be discussed. And it's to the point now where the old mainstream

00:21:48.700 is just getting left behind. It's almost irrelevant what they say. It's like people are going elsewhere

00:21:53.520 for their information. They've been lied to so long. The system's working as it must, you know,

00:21:59.020 Darwinism is at work right now in our news media. And it's a glorious thing. Um, switching gears,

00:22:07.880 Jordan Nilley's father made remarks a moment ago outside of the courthouse. Here he is.

00:22:11.680 I just want to say, I miss my son. My son didn't have to go through this. I didn't have to go through

00:22:23.380 this either. It hurts really, really hurts. What are we going to do people? What's going to happen to us

00:22:35.900 now? I had enough of this system is rigged. Oh my God. The system's rigged. This didn't have to

00:22:48.180 happen. Correct. Maybe with some proper parenting, you could have reined in your son or given him

00:22:54.280 enough mental health skills that he would not have found himself this destitute drugged up and

00:23:01.220 seemingly without other options. I like, I'm sorry, but this guy suing Daniel Penny is a bridge

00:23:08.220 too far. He knows very well about his son's mental health problems and the number of people he hurt.

00:23:15.700 His son actually physically hurt and assaulted. There is every reason to believe another victim or

00:23:21.480 victims were about to be added to that, that, that the notches, uh, that day had it not been for

00:23:28.640 Daniel Penny. And now he wants us to feel sorry for him. And I think ideally engage in some sort of a

00:23:34.080 riot by using terms like this whole system is rigged against black defendants. That's the implication.

00:23:41.340 Really? Alvin Bragg, the black DA. Okay, sure. There's so much going on here. I mean, can you even

00:23:52.720 imagine Megan having abandoned your child in that manner to live the way Jordan Neely lived, to have

00:24:01.920 nothing in your heart while he was alive, to spare him from living on the streets in that manner,

00:24:09.760 only to turn around and try to capitalize economically off of your own child's death,

00:24:20.160 who you could not be bothered to lift a finger to help when he was alive. Now I have struggled to

00:24:27.320 find in my heart sympathy for Jordan Neely because he had been so violent to truly vulnerable people,

00:24:36.160 old ladies. I mean, it's very hard for me. I know that I'm supposed to, and I have really struggled,

00:24:40.840 but it has been hard for me because he was violent to the vulnerable, but his father,

00:24:47.360 you look at this man and you think, wow, I could see where that might've come from. I mean,

00:24:52.420 who wanted nothing to do with his son after he was traumatized by his mother's death,

00:24:57.240 left him to walk the streets of New York, a danger to himself and a danger to others. And now is trying

00:25:02.960 to get money off of the person who defended people from his own son who he abandoned. It's truly the most

00:25:10.680 loathsome thing I've seen in a very long time. He's going to wind up with the same result that

00:25:18.080 Alvin Bragg just got in this case, a disappointing one for his side. There is not going to be a civil

00:25:24.280 jury in New York who gives him one cent, not that Daniel Penny has it. This is, he is not a rich guy.

00:25:32.160 Thank God is all I can say, but the system and the rest of us should not have been placed in this

00:25:36.220 position in the first place where we had to worry about it, where we had our brave men

00:25:40.620 chastised, threatened their freedom, almost potentially withheld for doing what's right.

00:25:48.640 Alvin Bragg is to blame for all of that and must be held to account. Here is, um, more reaction now

00:25:56.000 from one of the central park five saying the outcome of this trial is a searing indictment

00:26:02.660 of the systemic failures that continue to plague our pursuit of justice for society's most vulnerable.

00:26:11.800 Jordan Neely's life mattered. That's not going to work. By the way, the whole thing about the

00:26:19.960 central park five, do a little searching. Just go, go actually familiarize yourself with their case.

00:26:25.800 Go read Ann Coulter, who is brilliant and a lawyer and has been following this all along

00:26:30.300 on exactly why they were charged. I, I love that they're, that they're the new heroes of the left.

00:26:35.980 Count me out. I'm out. And I don't give a shit about his social justice commentary. This guy,

00:26:42.220 Jordan Neely's life mattered. Tell it to his family, tell it to the system that actually didn't

00:26:48.240 lock him up to protect the rest of us, but let him free to go roam and threaten more inevitably

00:26:53.540 leading to a situation like this. I mean, he would have been locked up eventually probably for life if he

00:26:58.220 had killed somebody, but I don't want to hear it. If it mattered so much, where the hell were you

00:27:03.940 central park five when, when he was hurting, when he was locking or hurting old ladies,

00:27:08.860 when he was endangering children, right? Like it only matters once he can become a poster boy

00:27:14.220 for their social justice cause, Batya. Otherwise they don't give two shits about the, the Jordan

00:27:21.220 Neely's of the world. And I think that they're rallying around him. It's actually indicative of

00:27:28.180 the fact that they don't have a better victim, right? I mean, you know, that all of the people

00:27:34.260 that they used to rally around were actually victims. The fact that they've chosen somebody

00:27:38.160 who was a victimizer as the new poster child for the BLM movement just reveals once again,

00:27:44.660 how the supply of racism in America is so much smaller than the demand from the leftist elites,

00:27:53.020 right? They can't actually find these instances of, you know, racism resulting in murder anymore

00:28:00.120 because America is no longer a racist country. And this is something that black people, Hispanic

00:28:05.480 people are simply begging us to realize. They're really begging white progressives to stop the

00:28:11.900 infantilization, to stop the re-racialization. They're voting as, as Americans, you know, not as

00:28:18.980 black people or Hispanic people or Asian people or Jewish people. This is a very united country as we

00:28:25.100 just saw. And so whenever people see this language, you know, it's evidence of only how far the people

00:28:33.220 speaking in this manner stand, even from their own communities. Yeah. Yeah. That's actually right.

00:28:39.800 You point out correctly that there are black jurors in this case, and the whole case is brought

00:28:43.780 by a DA's office under a black DA. So how exactly is it rigged again? I mean, you want to talk rigged,

00:28:50.540 we can talk about what happened to Donald Trump. But in this case, if it was rigged in any one way,

00:28:55.060 it was rigged against Daniel Penny. And still that jury said, no, you've gone too far. And of course,

00:29:03.480 the reason that there have not been adequate police around New York City and on the subways for so long,

00:29:08.980 they've now tried to rectify it, is because of this whole movement to begin with. It is because

00:29:14.600 of BLM and its advocates and AOC. Can I just say a word on AOC? More and more, I'm seeing people on

00:29:21.380 the right offering like some praise for her, like, oh, don't count out AOC. And she's a fighter because

00:29:26.940 she seems to have some of the same base as Trump, people who want an outsider. Wake up, people,

00:29:32.160 wake up. She was 100% on the side of Jordan Neely here, throwing out all the racism accusations and

00:29:40.080 all that her woke identity politics playbook. She is no friend to reason. So stop, okay? Just stop.

00:29:49.460 The praise of AOC has to end from anybody who wants justice, wants reason, wants sanity to prevail and

00:29:56.540 isn't on the side of woke identity politics. Here's a soundbite from Eric Garner's mother.

00:30:02.140 Eric Garner, of course, was a New York City man who was, he also died in police custody as a

00:30:08.480 chokehold took place over him selling illegal cigarettes years ago.

00:30:13.540 Here we stand once again in front of this injustice. I stood here 10 years ago because they did not

00:30:24.500 give justice to my son with a chokehold. I fought hard to get the anti-chokehold bill passed,

00:30:32.220 which did pass. But it shouldn't only be for police officers, it should be for civilians also.

00:30:38.180 No one deserves to be choked to death. And you know, we're in that courtroom and people are cheering

00:30:47.480 for the verdict. They made the loudest noise. The judge did nothing.

00:30:55.140 But when his father spoke out, they put him out the courtroom. Is that justice or what?

00:31:03.260 We can't allow this to keep going on. We have to fight this system, but they don't do the same to

00:31:10.700 us. It's two justice systems. Actually, that's not true. According to

00:31:17.400 the Matthew Russell from inner city press, it was in the courtroom. The jury entered the clerk asked,

00:31:25.100 how do you find on Daniel Penny on count two? The four person said not guilty. The Penny side

00:31:30.520 started clapping and the judge said, be quiet. So she's wrong. The judge did not do nothing when

00:31:37.820 they started clapping. The judge was quick to tell them to stop that. And, um, as for her son,

00:31:45.760 he died in 2014. The death was ruled a homicide. The grand jury did not wind up indicting the officer.

00:31:51.560 The family did get damages from the city. The officer was ultimately terminated.

00:31:57.060 And back to AOC. Here's her tweet in 2023 on this case. Jordan Neely was murdered,

00:32:05.200 but because Jordan was houseless and crying for food in a time when the city is raising rents and

00:32:14.120 stripping services to militarize itself. While many in power demonize the poor, the murderer gets

00:32:21.720 protected with passive headlines and no charges. It's disgusting. Well, of course he was charged,

00:32:29.100 but this woman is some sort of a faux populist because let me tell you, if you're a white man,

00:32:34.960 she doesn't see you as in need of any sort of help or protection, even when the system is working

00:32:41.120 to imprison you, right? Supposed to be one of her core issues, right? Over imprisonment and a justice

00:32:48.560 system that isn't fair. How about if it happens to be a white man who was trying to defend people,

00:32:54.300 black and white against a lunatic drugged up black man, threatening them. Nope. In AOC's world,

00:33:01.060 it's murder. It's murder because of white and black. All of this is just stirring. It's just

00:33:06.380 stirring because she's one of the last vestiges, Batya, of the woke left, which is being snuffed out.

00:33:12.260 Their identity is being snuffed out bit by bit, massively, thanks to 10, 11, five and Trump.

00:33:18.840 And this is going to help. But what this really is is more just a symptom that it really is happening.

00:33:23.760 It's even happening in New York. So I am going to be very curious how AOC responds to the verdict.

00:33:31.760 I'm going to be very curious how Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries and Nancy Pelosi and Kamala Harris and

00:33:37.640 Joe Biden responds. I'm going to be very curious how Joe Scarborough and how CNN and all of the

00:33:43.100 liberal media, the New York Times, how everybody covers this. Because, Megan, as you rightly point

00:33:47.520 out, since Trump, you know, won with such a massive victory, there has been so much talk on the left

00:33:56.020 about, oh, what did we do wrong? Maybe it's time to move on from identity politics. Now, you're right

00:34:01.320 that it's been equivocal. There have been voices saying, how dare you? This is our bread and butter.

00:34:05.200 But a lot of people have been doing a lot of soul searching. And while I think a lot of it

00:34:10.660 is performative, this is going to be the first test case. Did they actually learn the lesson that

00:34:18.140 the American people were trying to teach them on November 5th or did they not? And I hazard a guess

00:34:25.480 that AOC's tweet this time around is going to be very different from that one. But Megan,

00:34:29.840 we'll see which of us is right in about three hours, probably. Yeah, exactly. OK, so there is

00:34:36.240 other very big news today, and that is they appear to have nabbed the guy who they think killed

00:34:41.900 UnitedHealthcare CEO, the UnitedHealthcare CEO. And so that manhunt that's been underway has appeared

00:34:49.540 to have worked. Per CNN sources, a 26-year-old man was picked up at a McDonald's in Altoona,

00:34:57.340 Pennsylvania after an employee thought he looked like the man in the NYPD photos.

00:35:02.680 Right on, McDonald's. McDonald's should be Time's person of the year.

00:35:06.720 They're debating it right now. It should be McDonald's. That's amazing. God bless that

00:35:16.840 person. He had fake IDs. Presumably now we're moving on to what the NYPD found out about him,

00:35:24.520 not that person at McDonald's. Last I checked, you don't have to show your license to get a Big Mac.

00:35:29.520 He had fake IDs, including one NYPD believes was used by the killing suspect in New York.

00:35:36.740 Altoona police responded to the call, picked up the man and searched him. The sources said the man

00:35:42.200 also had some documents investigators want to examine as potentially relating to motive. Good,

00:35:48.980 though further details on those documents were not clear. Altoona police are waiting for NYPD

00:35:55.280 detectives who are en route. This is amazing. Oh, there's more. Hold on. Stand by. My team is

00:36:02.660 sending. Sources say he was found with gun with suppressor. I guess that means they were,

00:36:10.040 it sounds like the gun with a suppressor on it. Just, just like the one used in this murder. Yeah.

00:36:15.620 The gun, which had a suppressor, a silencer on it, just like the one used per CNN law enforcement

00:36:20.420 sources. So this is very interesting because this guy's been playing a game with the cops,

00:36:26.500 Batya, where he dropped a backpack. They believe, they believe it was him, uh, in central park as he

00:36:34.220 was fleeing successfully. And they found the backpack over the weekend. And inside of it was

00:36:39.040 monopoly money, which appears to be some sort of a, you know, an, a middle finger, right? A cat and

00:36:46.360 mouse sort of ha ha moment. Not sure. That's just my guess. Um, and amazingly he got away,

00:36:53.140 but the cops over the weekend found two additional pictures of the guy. I mean, it's like in 2024,

00:36:58.120 almost 25 America, it's very hard to stay off camera if you're going to commit a crime and they

00:37:02.620 have one clear as day. Can we, do we have it? We can put it up of, um, him sitting in a, I think it

00:37:08.580 was a, an Uber or taxi and looking out the window and my God, it's like, I mean, you can look, you

00:37:14.340 can see he's wearing one of those COVID masks, but the upper half of his face is as clear as you

00:37:20.200 could want. And they put this out and I can't help but think of like the Brian Kohlberger case out in

00:37:26.240 Idaho where that, you know, the one roommate who was home Dylan, but not killed could only remember

00:37:34.900 that he had a COVID mask on and had bushy eyebrows. And you look at this guy and it is very identifying

00:37:40.340 those bushy eyebrows. You can kind of tell about what age he is. You can tell he's male. Um,

00:37:46.940 it's noticeable that those eyes and that look is pretty distinctive. And I am still surprised that

00:37:53.600 the McDonald's worker put two and two together, but I bet you he was wearing his mask there too.

00:37:57.760 So it probably, it probably helped. I can't wait to hear more about how that went down. Your

00:38:02.700 reaction to that breaking news. You know, I've been following very closely the reaction to the

00:38:08.620 murder. Um, there's been this weird thing happening both among young people and the far left, but also

00:38:15.980 on the populist right, where people have seen this as an opportunity to both lionize him and talk about,

00:38:23.720 you know, our healthcare system more broadly. So there's been this very ghoulish celebration of

00:38:29.780 the killing. There was, um, a, a CEO murderer lookalike contest, um, in Washington square park,

00:38:36.980 horrible stuff. I mean, obviously murder is just horrible, horrible, inexcusable, but I think the

00:38:43.400 frustration that people feel with our healthcare system is very, very real. People feel really,

00:38:50.060 really angry at how hard it is and how unaffordable it is in many cases to get really good

00:38:56.420 healthcare coverage. And so I'm sort of thinking, well, how do we move forward from here? Obviously,

00:39:01.480 like, I don't want this to be an opportunity of any kind. This is a horrible murder. It's a tragedy

00:39:06.580 for his family. And I hope this person is the person who committed the murder and goes to jail

00:39:11.760 forever. Um, but at the same time, can we have this conversation about our coverage and how so many

00:39:18.620 people who work really, really, really hard feel that the basic coverage they need to be healthy,

00:39:24.840 which they want is out of reach for them that I'm sort of trying to find the middle ground there.

00:39:29.720 Like, is there a human way to have that conversation in this moment or not?

00:39:34.900 I don't know. I got to think maybe, but not now that's where I've landed on it. You know,

00:39:40.000 you do it now it's responsive. It's giving the guy what he wanted and it's just, it's too soon.

00:39:45.820 I mean, I will say this. You want to throw out our private healthcare system. Good luck.

00:39:49.980 Think you're going to do better under a Canadian system or what they have in the UK.

00:39:54.300 Talk to anyone, you know, Canadian Debbie. Hello. Um, it's, it's a nightmare. You, you,

00:40:00.920 you could get, you actually could find like a lump, God forbid, under your armpit by your breast.

00:40:06.360 And you could actually be waiting 12 months to get in for a biopsy. I mean, it's like,

00:40:11.840 that's a death sentence. It is no better when the government is actually running the system.

00:40:17.020 The wait times are absolutely deadly. And you know, you, you can't buy your way out of it.

00:40:23.380 You can't work your way out of it. You're, you actually, what you do is you come to America,

00:40:26.880 you go to a country that has private health insurance. It's not to say it's perfect by any

00:40:30.920 means, but I mean, let's not kid ourselves. The lunatics saying like, we need, but Canada has,

00:40:35.780 you know what you first, I'm not doing that. I mean, it's ridiculous. And listen, I haven't always

00:40:41.100 had enough money to pay, you know, the, whatever you have to pay on top of the insurance.

00:40:45.340 Most of my life, I didn't have that. So I understand, but the system is never going to

00:40:49.760 be perfect. Anyway, I think we do have the discussion, but not, not now because you just

00:40:54.240 can't, it's too responsive. And by the way, I mean, I heard a good discussion on the editors

00:40:59.460 the other day, the national review podcast with our buddies, and they were talking about how,

00:41:03.300 you know, there's a real fear right now about copycats. And I think they're right, right? Like

00:41:08.680 they were saying, Hey, they'd worry about this guy before he got caught, you know, going and doing

00:41:14.220 this to another CEO in the healthcare industry. So hopefully now that's done, but B, you know,

00:41:21.160 other people, cause there are a lot of Americans who have been hurt as a result of insurance that

00:41:25.800 they didn't think was fair decisions. They didn't think was fair. And, um, you know, all those

00:41:30.500 executives are, I realized a lot of them are fat cats and they're making, this guy was making what

00:41:34.160 $10 million plus a year, but that the system is what the system is. It's like a Bridget Phetasy

00:41:41.440 always says, you know, blame the game, not the player. She says it better than that.

00:41:47.880 Megan, do you think it's possible that it will turn out that this man was hired by somebody with

00:41:52.580 a personal motive? Do you think that's a possibility? Cause I can't help, but think like

00:41:56.220 he knew a lot about where this guy was going to be and when in a small window.

00:42:01.680 So originally I thought maybe, but now I don't because it turns out what they reported over the

00:42:07.320 weekend was that that gun he was using, they now believe was this similar, like a similar gun or

00:42:12.520 the same kind of gun that a veterinarian uses when they have to take down like some large animal where

00:42:21.520 you have to load a bullet in for each round that you're going to fire. And, um, that doesn't sound

00:42:28.180 like any sort of a professional assassin, right? Like that, I, I mean, that's fraught with peril for

00:42:35.580 a would-be assassin. And so it doesn't sound very professional. And I don't know, like, I don't know.

00:42:42.920 It just, while it was, forgive me for saying it this way, well executed, you know, like he got away,

00:42:48.760 he killed him and he got away, just seemed to be a little bush league to me. So my money is on

00:42:54.960 disgruntled insurance patient. And look, you know, just one other point. It's not just health insurance.

00:43:01.860 Insurance in general is fucking annoying. Have you ever had a fender bender and you just like,

00:43:08.380 you don't even report it. Cause you know that your insurance rates are going to go up so much higher

00:43:13.060 that it's not even worth it to you. It costs more to cash in on your policy than it does to

00:43:18.920 actually just use your policy. So that whole system is, you know, in all industries is very

00:43:24.420 messed up. I mean, by the way, we have a place in Montana. Good luck. You can't even get flood

00:43:29.540 insurance anymore. Um, yeah, there's like all over the country they're canceling. There was a big piece

00:43:36.240 in the New York times about a year ago on how the reinsurers are stopping the insurance for flooding

00:43:42.200 and other sort of home disasters. So everybody is just gonna have to pay out of pocket. It's just

00:43:47.400 like the whole system can be looked at maybe as Trump put underneath his picture at all of his

00:43:54.420 rallies, maybe quote, Trump can fix it. Uh, so far. No. Okay. Back to Alvin Bragg quote,

00:44:02.700 the jury carefully deliberated for four days. They requested readbacks of testimony and asked for

00:44:07.160 video footage to rewatch as well as written definitions of the law. Their lengthy deliberation

00:44:12.060 and the totality of the facts and the evidence underscored why this case was put in front of a jury

00:44:18.200 of Mr. Penny's peers. Oh my God. He's trying to say the fact that they really wrestled with this

00:44:24.540 is a vindication of me bringing the charges quote. The jury has now spoken at the Manhattan DA's

00:44:30.640 office. We deeply respect the jury process and we respect their verdict. Unfortunately over the

00:44:36.140 duration of this trial, talented career prosecutors and their family members were besieged with hate

00:44:41.800 and threats. You mean like the subway passengers were Alvin, the ones who you, your system was not

00:44:49.980 there to protect, but Daniel Penny was, I mean like cry me a river. Like, look, I'm not in favor of

00:44:56.880 threatening prosecutors, but it definitely goes with the job. It freaking goes with the job of being

00:45:01.540 a news anchor, nevermind a criminal prosecutor and his office. We played the sound, but on Friday

00:45:07.400 has been out there touting their social justice agenda and how they reduce penalties for minorities

00:45:13.780 only. So I'm sure people did feel like the system is rather unfair. I'm no one's crying for Alvin

00:45:20.260 to brag. Megan, what do you make of the fact that the jury could not decide on the higher charge,

00:45:27.920 but it was very easy on the lesser charge for them to like, how, who are the holdouts, right? Who

00:45:34.880 couldn't quite commit to the manslaughter charge? Like, what do you think made it easier for them in

00:45:40.180 the man's in the, um, the secondary homicide charge? Because that one was a higher charge,

00:45:44.720 right? Like it was, it seemed like it was the one that got thrown out. Yeah. Yes. The one that got

00:45:49.100 thrown out. What do you think changed for the jury between those two charges? I have no idea

00:45:55.180 because the fact that they couldn't reach a verdict on the most serious charge suggests there was at

00:46:01.220 least one juror who wanted to convict him. I mean, if they were all like he's guilty, they would have

00:46:08.900 found him guilty. If they were all saying he's not guilty, they would have said that, um, I, there,

00:46:15.220 there had to be at least one who wanted to find him guilty. So then the prosecution dropped it.

00:46:20.540 My only guess, this is a complete guess is maybe the fact that the DA just dropped the charge

00:46:25.900 was underscored for the jury. What a joke. This is about how the DA is not taking the case seriously

00:46:33.220 and neither should, should they, that this whole thing is just a farce. Obviously like we didn't

00:46:38.460 mean it. In other words, a telegraph, like just kidding, you know, nevermind. Oh, nevermind. All

00:46:43.600 that stuff we said, we'll just pull it. I don't know, but in New York, the jury can speak. So hopefully

00:46:48.440 they will. Uh, in the meantime, more reaction from outside the courthouse as, and you knew it was

00:46:53.960 coming. BLM takes to the mics, the New York co-founder Hawk Newsome. Take a listen.

00:47:01.200 We need some black vigilantes. That's right. People want to jump up and choke us and kill

00:47:11.080 us for being loud. How about we do the same when they attempt to oppress us? Right. I'm tired.

00:47:20.860 Tired.

00:47:24.300 So it's going well outside of the, outside of the court. We need some black vigilantes. That's

00:47:30.500 the solution. I think he's going to get charged from making threats.

00:47:35.460 I, it just, it's so racist to look at Jordan Neely and say the most important thing about

00:47:40.440 him is that he's black because it suggests that there's something about his behavior that is like

00:47:46.240 inherently black, which is of course nonsense. His behavior was threatening and the result of a

00:47:52.140 mental illness. Right. So I don't understand these activists coming out here and saying

00:47:57.080 the most identifiable thing about Jordan Neely, the most important thing about him was the color

00:48:03.120 of his skin. I mean, to me, it seems like that is an extremely racist thing to say when the truth

00:48:08.140 is, as you pointed out, Megan, he was threatening black people, black women stood up and spoke for

00:48:14.100 Daniel Penny saying they were glad he was there. Thank God he was there that he protected them.

00:48:18.580 Why do these activists always act like the black people who are perpetuating crimes are not also

00:48:25.860 perpetuating them against their own neighbors, their own members of their community? Why are the

00:48:32.220 victims of crime never taken into consideration in these grand proclamations? It's, it's, it's very,

00:48:39.040 very upsetting. And if you talk to black cops about this, they're very upset about this because

00:48:44.760 they're out there trying to defend black people. And then they have these elite activists who make

00:48:51.240 this job unbelievably impossible for them, who stigmatize the work that they're doing, which is

00:48:55.720 in effect, God's work. Yeah, that's exactly right. And that's, by the way, we have Heather

00:49:00.540 McDonald on the program tomorrow. She would happen to be booked to talk about Trump's cabinet picks

00:49:04.100 because she's got a lot of very interesting thoughts on them. But she's the perfect person to

00:49:08.280 follow up on this because she's the one who knows all these studies about how, you know, black women

00:49:12.680 in particular in the inner cities have been saying over and over and over, do not remove the police.

00:49:18.180 The last thing I want to see is fewer police officers in my vestibule, in my lobby. And so

00:49:24.040 they're not on board with this, right? It's like the Alvin Bragg and the BLM folks would like us to

00:49:28.720 believe that it's true, but it's not true. Here's that same guy. We just played the BLM New York

00:49:33.160 co-founder a couple days ago and sought 20. They will not find a white man guilty of killing a black

00:49:41.160 man in modern day America. And people who keep asking, are we gonna riot? Are we gonna protest?

00:49:46.660 Is that what's needed? Do glass have to break? Do cars have to burn for a black man to get justice in

00:49:53.160 America? We can't show up with peace. We can't show up with facts. We can't show up with evidence

00:49:58.660 and witness after witness. You give us nothing. And then you ask us to love this country.

00:50:05.560 America hates black people. Oh, okay. An uplifting message coming from BLM. I know you're shocked.

00:50:13.740 There were four black jurors on the jury of 12. Bacha stays with me. Quick break. And then we're back.

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00:51:30.340 So more details on what happened inside the McDonald's. I'm so into this story. It was not a worker. It was a

00:51:36.800 customer. And this is via the New York Times. The man detained in the McDonald's had written a, quote,

00:51:45.580 manifesto, according to two law enforcement officials. The handwritten manifesto found on the person of the

00:51:51.140 man detained in Altoona criticized healthcare companies for putting profits above care, according to a senior

00:51:57.400 law enforcement official. Great. So we're going to know it all. The man detained in the McDonald's in Altoona

00:52:03.000 had what investigators believe was a ghost gun, meaning it was put together with parts sold online that matches

00:52:10.300 the gun believed to have been used in the shooting, per a senior law enforcement official. The man who was

00:52:16.120 detained at McDonald's showed the police the same fake New Jersey ID that the man believed to be the gunman

00:52:22.360 presented when he checked into a hostel on the Upper West Side of Manhattan on November 24th, per a senior law

00:52:28.340 enforcement official. Senior law enforcement official saying another customer. It was another customer

00:52:33.600 who recognized him and called 911. More on the customer. It was an elderly patron of a McDonald's.

00:52:42.280 Go boomer in Altoona, Pennsylvania, who provided the tip that led the authorities to hold the man for

00:52:49.300 questioning, per a senior law enforcement official. That is just too amazing. So an elderly, not just,

00:52:57.300 not just a boomer, an elderly person was in there, saw the guy. And again, almost certainly he had,

00:53:05.500 he'd probably be better off if he took off the mask at this point, you know, and, uh, said something.

00:53:11.980 Think, think about that position, right? Bocic is like, I don't know if I, I think I'd be like,

00:53:17.100 I don't know. It's the shooter of that guy. I don't want to cause trouble. Someone's going to say,

00:53:21.440 I was like profiling him because he's like, I don't know what his background is,

00:53:25.900 but he looks a little ethnic. I don't even know what kind, but I think I might pause

00:53:30.960 lest I, lest I get some innocent person in trouble, but they did it and they got him.

00:53:38.300 I truly wonder if he was wearing the mask when this elderly person identified him or not,

00:53:43.320 because I don't think I'm like, I don't think I would have had the confidence to say from that

00:53:47.780 little strip above the mask that I could tell that that was the person in the picture,

00:53:52.980 looking out the window from the car or at the hostel. Um, it's so little that's exposed by the

00:53:58.960 mask. So I really wonder if he, you're right, that he recognized the mask and the little strip.

00:54:05.960 And that's why he thought to call the police because it was so odd to see a person wearing

00:54:10.380 a mask in a McDonald's in Pennsylvania. I imagine there's not a lot of people masking there,

00:54:15.540 but it is truly incredible. I mean, that he got out of New York, that he got that far and then

00:54:21.680 was stopped by just an everyday American. It's so great. And you know, I will say this,

00:54:26.960 they they've done these studies where they'll show you just this part of a celebrity's face.

00:54:32.480 And for the listening audience, I'm just showing my eyes basically just like the half, the inch or so

00:54:37.120 around your eyes and your eyes. And, um, a lot of people have no problem identifying the celebrities.

00:54:43.060 Like if you're going to show one part of your face and you want to be identified,

00:54:47.620 it would be the eyes. Like he would have been better off to have some sort of sunglasses on

00:54:54.000 the whole time. Right? Like don't, don't show the eyes or wear a mask that covers the whole face or

00:54:59.340 wear a disguise. Like a disguise might've been smarter because it's so like, they did a great

00:55:05.640 job of getting that photo everywhere, everywhere. So I'm dying for more details. I want to know

00:55:11.240 everything there is to know about this elderly, uh, patron. Here's a little bit more New York

00:55:17.300 times noting. It's not the first time that a McDonald's customer identified a suspect,

00:55:22.700 a McDonald's or this McDonald's customer. Like, hold on the McDonald's, the McDonald's arrest in

00:55:29.940 Altoona echoed the arrest of Frank R James, who in 2022 set off smoke grenades inside a crowded subway

00:55:37.820 car in Brooklyn and opened fire injuring 10 people and was also arrested at a McDonald's

00:55:43.340 after a 31 hour manhunt. James was caught when someone recognized him at one of the chains outposts

00:55:48.400 in Manhattan. Mirror miles from the crime scene. Why don't you go through the drive-thru? I guess

00:55:52.060 you don't have a car. Like, would you steal a car and go through there? I don't know. Like,

00:55:57.320 how would you get food? I don't think seven 11, like, or just go to like a mat, put on a disguise.

00:56:03.880 I have no life in crime ahead of me, but you, but I'm just thinking it through. Like

00:56:07.180 this again, doesn't seem like a pro. Yeah. And I think that now that we know that he was sort of

00:56:15.040 a vigilante on behalf of people who feel wronged by the medical insurance industry, I think this

00:56:22.740 question of how to deal with this morally is incredibly, incredibly important, right? Because

00:56:27.760 a lot of people on the far left and also on the far right are going to see him as a vigilante for

00:56:35.020 some kind of justice. And I think it's so important as you articulated earlier, Megan,

00:56:40.520 to find a way to say, we cannot allow this to be an opportunity, even for a conversation people want

00:56:46.820 to have. Murder is absolutely wrong. This person is absolutely evil for taking a human life. There's

00:56:54.600 no justification for that. And to find a way to have that conversation going forward that's not

00:57:00.400 tied to this is going to be, I think, extremely important, especially for young people watching

00:57:05.460 this unfold. Okay. Let's talk about politics before you have to go. Donald Trump goes on Meet the Press

00:57:14.840 this weekend in an extraordinary hour plus exchange with Kristen Welker. And they got into what's going to

00:57:22.340 happen in his second term with respect to immigration. Here, I'm just going to play

00:57:28.460 some for you. Here is Sot 4. Take a listen.

00:57:33.640 You've talked about prioritizing people who have criminal histories.

00:57:37.080 Correct.

00:57:37.500 But is it your plan to deport everyone who is here illegally over the next four years?

00:57:42.900 Well, I think you have to do it. And it's a very tough thing to do.

00:57:47.800 You're saying, yes, you're going to focus on the people with criminal histories. But everyone

00:57:51.760 who's here illegally has to go.

00:57:53.420 I'm saying this. We have to get the criminals out of our country. And you see what they've

00:57:58.040 done in Colorado and other places. They're taking over, literally taking over apartment

00:58:02.320 complexes and doing it with impunity. They don't care. They couldn't. They just are. They're

00:58:08.040 in the real estate.

00:58:08.760 You know, the local police say that is not the case in Colorado.

00:58:12.000 Oh, it's totally the case.

00:58:13.460 Is it realistic to deport everyone who's here illegally?

00:58:16.200 You have no choice. First of all, they're costing us a fortune. But we're starting with

00:58:20.440 the criminals. And we got to do it. And then we're starting with others. And we're going

00:58:25.280 to see how it goes.

00:58:26.440 Who are the others?

00:58:27.320 Others or other people outside of criminals.

00:58:29.560 Okay. So there was that. And, uh, there is, there is a problem with Venezuelan, uh, gangs

00:58:37.440 in, uh, in, in Colorado. Take a look at the very in-depth piece that city journal did on

00:58:43.340 it. I don't know why she's pretending that it's not a problem, but, uh, you know, that's

00:58:46.440 NBC for you. Um, here is a little bit more on the subject of children and families in SOT

00:58:53.760 five. Talking about parents who might be here illegally, but the kids are here legally.

00:59:00.680 Your borders are-

00:59:01.260 You're talking about separation?

00:59:02.620 Yeah. Well, I mean, there are two aspects to this. Your borders are at Tom Homan said

00:59:06.900 they can be deported together. Is that the plan?

00:59:09.160 Well, that way you keep the- well, I don't want to be breaking up families. So the only

00:59:13.660 way you don't break up the family is you keep them together and you have to send them

00:59:16.980 all back.

00:59:17.540 Even kids who are here legally?

00:59:19.460 Well, well, what you're going to do if they want to stay with the father, look, we have

00:59:23.360 to have rules and regulations. You can always find something out like, you know, this doesn't

00:59:27.340 work, that doesn't work. I'll tell you what's going to be horrible. When we take a wonderful

00:59:31.900 young woman who's with a criminal and they show the woman and she could stay by the law,

00:59:40.480 but they show the woman being taken out or they want her out and your cameras are focused

00:59:46.900 on her as she's crying, as she's being taken out of our country. And then the public turns

00:59:51.520 against us, but we have to do our job.

00:59:55.140 Good for Trump. I mean, he's exactly right that he he's anticipating where this plan is

01:00:00.260 going to meet significant pushback from the press, which is when there's a child to an

01:00:07.520 illegal or a sympathetic woman who's married to her with an illegal. And Tom Homan is saying

01:00:13.660 the illegals going. And if you don't want to separate the families, you have the choice

01:00:17.880 of going with them. And then the media will look at the rest of us who are favored deportations

01:00:22.280 and say, it's your fault, as opposed to the decision of this illegal who decided to bring

01:00:28.660 a child here or send a child here, notwithstanding the fact that they're they have no right to

01:00:33.200 be here. I really recommend people watch that whole interview. It's an incredible hour and

01:00:39.280 15 minutes, not least because of the way it was misrepresented by the headlines in the liberal

01:00:43.480 press. But I think when Trump, you know, writes his memoirs and looks back on his life, this

01:00:48.780 will be like the sweetest time. He's in his magnanimous era. He has been so thoroughly vindicated

01:00:55.880 on so many fronts. And it has brought out this unbelievably confident, magnanimous side of his

01:01:04.420 personality. You know, even when he's criticizing the journalist, he doesn't call her nasty in this

01:01:09.840 interview. He just says to her, you know, you have so much potential, which I thought was really

01:01:15.440 funny. That was like the most ad hominem he would go. He's in a really wonderful place right now. And

01:01:20.640 the three to me, the three headlines would have been if I was sort of covering this honestly would

01:01:26.220 have been the last question she asked him is, what is your message to Americans who did not vote for

01:01:31.080 you and did not support you? And his answer, Megan, was I love you. He said that he was invested in

01:01:37.420 protecting the dreamers, especially the ones who are older and middle aged and contributing a lot and

01:01:42.460 have good jobs. And he said that he was not interested in any kind of retribution. He said, again,

01:01:47.200 our success will be our retribution. He said he's not going to get involved in Pam Bondi's work or in

01:01:54.240 Kash Patel's work. He's going to let them do their jobs. I mean, these were real headlines that, of

01:01:58.720 course, nobody pointed out. As to immigration, I think you're totally right. You know, the homin is

01:02:05.820 so the perfect man for this job because he could care less what anybody thinks about him. He is an

01:02:10.820 unbelievable patriot and feels that it is his job to protect the American people. And honestly, Megan,

01:02:16.440 Trump is very sensitive to the headlines. He's thinking ahead about how to sort of preempt them,

01:02:21.320 how to protect himself from those accusations from the unfair media. But I got to say,

01:02:25.540 he was given a mandate by the American people to do exactly this. And the media has lost all

01:02:32.340 credibility because in opposing him in the most dishonest and vitriolic way, it was revealed on

01:02:39.240 November 5th that they were opposing the American people. Their hatred for Donald Trump was revealed for

01:02:45.100 what it is, which is hatred for the American people. And so when the media stands up and says,

01:02:49.980 look at this racism, look at this cruelty, how dare they try to deport these lovely families,

01:02:56.260 the American people are going to say, hey, that's me you're calling racist. I voted for this. And so I

01:03:02.860 think we're going to see a really different relationship between the administration and the

01:03:06.400 media. And if we don't, it is the media who's going to suffer, not the administration.

01:03:10.180 Moreover, tell it to the American families right now that are dealing with

01:03:15.200 schools that are overrun by children from these foreign countries who are not here lawfully.

01:03:21.820 And now in places like New York, you have to have a translator speak in the native tongue of all the

01:03:27.480 children who are represented. So no matter where they're from, they can't even find enough

01:03:31.120 translators. Nevermind ask them whether they have teaching capacities. It's absolutely unworkable.

01:03:37.660 So I think a lot of previously sympathetic Americans, I have had it voted for Trump to

01:03:42.760 get rid of. Yes, even the children, I'm sorry, but they have to go. If they, if you want to go

01:03:48.080 back home and apply for asylum or try to get in legally, like so many millions have done before

01:03:53.440 you, you should do that. But you have no right to break our laws to enter the country unlawfully

01:03:58.080 and then just play your sad violin and tell us we should allow you to stay here. There are procedures

01:04:02.820 for that. You flouted them. Hold on. Here's a little reaction after Trump appeared and saw 28.

01:04:10.460 You know, I was struck by how succinctly the president elect summed up his mandate.

01:04:14.120 I think one of the things that was most fascinating is he didn't seem very combative in this interview,

01:04:18.400 but he didn't want to fight with you. And I thought he looked very relaxed and confident.

01:04:22.740 Yes, the tone was different, but it doesn't mean it's a difference in his priorities.

01:04:26.860 So what struck me is more tone, not a difference in what he intends to do or what he wants the people

01:04:33.120 he's nominating to do. Jen Psaki with the still Hitler, still Hitler, notwithstanding the new tone.

01:04:40.860 Here's the last one I want to play for you, Bajit, and that is the discussion about whether he's going

01:04:45.060 to go after his enemies, in particular, potentially with Kash Patel, if he gets confirmed as head of

01:04:50.420 the FBI. Satzix. He has a list in his book of 60 people that he calls members of the so-called deep

01:04:57.620 state. Do you want Kash Patel to launch investigations into people on that list?

01:05:02.140 No, I mean, he's going to do what he thinks is right.

01:05:04.720 Do you think that's right? Do you think that's right, sir?

01:05:09.100 If they think that somebody was dishonest or crooked or corrupt politician, I think he probably has an

01:05:15.240 obligation to do it. Are you going to go after Joe Biden?

01:05:17.860 I'm really looking to make our country successful. I'm not looking to go back into the past. I'm

01:05:23.760 looking to make our country successful. Retribution will be through success.

01:05:31.240 Pretty remarkable in terms of tone, yes, but also Jen Psaki, the actual messaging,

01:05:36.780 retribution will be our success. Do you think that the media will accept it? And do you believe it

01:05:43.160 because he didn't rule out entirely Kash Patel going after his political enemies? He just said,

01:05:49.280 if somebody's corrupt or crooked, he'd have an obligation to do it. But I believe retribution

01:05:54.180 is achieved through success. Well, he didn't go after Hillary Clinton the first time around,

01:06:00.400 right? We have a record. That's what's so insane about all the accusations against him.

01:06:04.540 We were all there. It was four years ago. Like they act like that never happened.

01:06:10.420 It's so ridiculous. I honestly think Donald Trump only cares about two things. He cares about no

01:06:16.320 more wars. He hates war because he thinks it's wasteful. And he wants an incredible economy

01:06:21.260 that will lift up the working class, hardworking people who work and work and work and can't get

01:06:27.020 ahead. He really, those are his priorities. That's what he cares about. He really wants the people in

01:06:32.900 his cabinet to do what they view as the mandate given by the American people so that he can focus on

01:06:39.200 those things. The idea that he's on some sort of revenge tour is so, so ridiculous. And you know

01:06:45.580 what, Megan? It's just a pure projection. Every accusation from the Democrats is a confession.

01:06:52.900 They spent four years waging revenge against Donald Trump for beating Hillary Clinton.

01:06:58.300 They tried to put this man in prison for the crime of trying to elevate the American working class.

01:07:03.820 It is they who are hellbent on revenge. It is they who have politicized the Justice Department.

01:07:10.720 It is they who think that they are above the law. I don't know if you saw this, but Biden apparently

01:07:15.060 is planning mass preemptive pardons, meaning for people who have not even been yet accused of

01:07:21.300 anything, suggesting that if you are elite enough in the Democratic Party, you cannot even be accused

01:07:27.180 of a crime or indicted for a crime or investigated for a crime if you are close enough to the Biden

01:07:32.960 and family. I mean, it just it is this from the so-called defenders of democracy. So I think that

01:07:39.040 this is all just pure projection. And I really believe that Trump has no reason not to be this

01:07:46.080 magnanimous version of himself going forward, given the support and the mandate that the American people

01:07:51.400 have given him. He truly is a leader. He is a reflection of what Americans want. And he was that

01:07:58.000 before they knew that in 2016, when we were a little bit more divided around these issues. So

01:08:02.860 I think it's going to be a great four years. It's so crazy with the you know, the Democrats are the

01:08:08.120 ones who started the lawfare. They're the first ones to cross that Rubicon. They did it. And now

01:08:13.560 they're acting like, oh, he's going to target. You know, we've got to preemptively pardon people like

01:08:17.240 Adam Schiff and Adam Kinzinger. I don't know who else is on their imaginary list where I'm sure we're

01:08:22.500 going to find out as though Trump has done this before they did this. You know, my husband, Doug,

01:08:28.660 he used to watch our little dogs when we take him to the park. And like the male dog, Bailey,

01:08:33.460 he would pee on like a fire hydrant. And then another male dog would come and pee on it. And

01:08:37.860 then Bailey would pee on it. And then the other dog and Doug would just say, it's like a nuclear arms

01:08:41.220 race. Everybody keeps trying to escalate. And that's the Democrats. You know, it's like everybody

01:08:48.300 peed on the fire hydrant. That was the thing. But then they went and they peed on like the leg of an

01:08:51.840 actual human. And then and now they're worried that like our side is going to do that. It's like,

01:08:57.460 you know, you guys are the only ones who did that. You don't have to create some new rule

01:09:01.860 saying no one can pee on the humans. Like you're the only ones who ever did it.

01:09:10.260 It's such a good point. It's just have to keep in mind every accusation is a confession of either

01:09:16.580 something that they did or they wish they could do or wish they had done. And they just projected onto

01:09:21.480 Republicans and onto conservatives who are just trying to mind their business and lead their best

01:09:25.960 lives. Yes. I just want to make one point on Trump on what he really wants is is no new wars. And

01:09:33.200 things are very dire right now in Syria where Bashar al-Assad, while an absolutely terrible man,

01:09:38.680 has been deposed by a group that seems also absolutely terrible and has a history of

01:09:43.580 persecuting Christians and is linked to Al-Qaeda. I mean, this is not a good group.

01:09:48.460 And now they're saying things like overreformed. Okay, sure. So yet, yet again, another very

01:09:56.560 dangerous situation unfolding in the Middle East and Bashar al-Assad has left Syria and is

01:10:02.440 exiled now in Russia. And we don't know where this is going, but Trump tweeted and truthed out the

01:10:08.960 following message on 12-7. Opposition fighters in Syria in an unprecedented move have totally taken

01:10:18.460 over numerous cities in a highly coordinated offensive and are now on the outskirts of

01:10:22.240 Damascus. This is right before they actually got in and he fled, obviously preparing to make a very

01:10:28.220 big move toward taking out Assad, which now they've done. Russia, because they're so tied up in Ukraine

01:10:33.560 and with the loss there of over 600,000 soldiers, seems incapable of stopping the literal march

01:10:39.380 through Syria, a country they have protected for years. This is where former President Obama refused

01:10:43.740 to honor his commitment of protecting the red line in the sand and all hell broke out with Russia

01:10:49.620 stepping in. But now they are like possibly Assad himself being forced out. And it may actually be the

01:10:56.320 best thing that can happen to them. There was never much of a benefit in Syria for Russia other than to

01:11:01.660 make Obama look really stupid. In any event, Syria is a mess, but it is not our friend and the U.S.

01:11:07.980 should have nothing to do with it. This is not our fight. Let it play out. Do not get involved.

01:11:17.280 I mean, I think it's a very strong, important message right now as, you know, the never ending

01:11:21.680 war machine I'm sure is eyeing. This is yet another opportunity for the United States to swoop in.

01:11:27.700 It's amazing. You're seeing people literally out there praising this leader of the rebels who is

01:11:34.680 linked to Al Qaeda. It's just so crazy when they get some idea in their head that someone is linked

01:11:41.340 to Russia because they blame Russia for Trump winning the first time. Therefore, anybody on the

01:11:46.280 other side of that person must be our friend, including Al Qaeda itself. It's totally insane.

01:11:52.560 First of all, can you even imagine Kamala Harris tweeting something that coherent and smart and

01:12:00.100 on the money and obviously like in his own voice, right? But, but, but reflect a really well thought

01:12:06.600 out. This just in Kamala Harris with a message to Bashar al-Assad. Don't you ever let someone take

01:12:12.700 your power away from you? Never, never, ever. Don't you let them. Sorry. Keep going.

01:12:22.000 I love it. I love it. No, I mean, it's just the, the, the thought that he has clearly put into these

01:12:27.320 issues. You know, he doesn't express it like a person with a PhD. He expresses it the way an average

01:12:32.100 American would express to you like, oh, this guy's bad. This guy looks bad too. Not my business.

01:12:37.940 And the other thing I would say about this is just the perfect person to have in your cabinet to deal

01:12:43.720 with this is Tulsi Gabbard. Because as a Congresswoman recall, she was very aggressive

01:12:50.420 in criticizing the Obama administration over exactly this issue of building up our own enemies and

01:13:01.540 adversaries, people who were terrorists or linked to terrorists in an effort to fight against somebody

01:13:07.520 who was not our enemy. I mean, not our friend, but certainly not our enemy. And Tulsi Gabbard had

01:13:12.500 the most amazing quote, Megan. She said, when it comes to terrorists, I am a hawk. When it comes to

01:13:19.940 counterproductive wars of regime change, I am a dove. That is America first foreign policy. And that is

01:13:27.960 what you can already see Trump not only building his cabinet around, but he's basically already acting

01:13:33.540 like the president of the United States and already moving our foreign policy in that direction,

01:13:39.140 that America first direction. Right on. And by the way, in another piece of good news,

01:13:45.000 let's hope he's right. But Tom Cotton, Senator Tom Cotton, the great Senator Tom Cotton tweeted out

01:13:49.520 today a prediction that all of Trump's nominees will be confirmed. Oh, oh, oh, what does he know?

01:13:57.300 Batya, what a pleasure. What a day. Thanks so much for being here.

01:14:00.560 Oh my gosh. God bless you, Megan. Thank you so much for having me.

01:14:04.640 Oh, the pleasure was all mine. Okay. Up next, we've got Amala Akpanobi and Link Lauren. They are

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01:17:20.220 Join me now, Amala Epinobi, host of The Amala Epinobi podcast, and Link Lauren,

01:17:30.200 influencer and former senior advisor to RFK Jr. Amala, Link, welcome back to the show. So the big

01:17:36.700 news today is that they've got a suspect in custody in connection with the murder, the assassination

01:17:42.460 of UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson. And here's more about this guy via the New York Post.

01:17:48.720 The person of interest identified in the killing is an anti-capitalist former Ivy League student

01:17:56.400 who liked online quotes from Unabomber Ted Kaczynski raging against the country's medical

01:18:04.160 community. We're shocked. Shocked. Tech whiz, his name here, Luigi Mangione, 26 of Towson, Maryland,

01:18:13.040 was taken into custody Monday morning at McDonald's in Altoona, Pennsylvania after an intense manhunt

01:18:17.940 following the execution. He has not been charged. The former prep school valedictorian was caught with

01:18:25.640 a manifesto that appeared to list grievances with the healthcare industry, including taking on their

01:18:30.360 enormous profits and allegedly shady motives, according to sources, again, still here quoting

01:18:36.180 from the New York Post. Mangione has subscribed to anti-capitalist and climate change causes in addition

01:18:43.300 to showing he despises the healthcare industry in this country, according to law enforcement,

01:18:48.720 who cite online activity gleaned by the authorities. On the Goodreads website, Mangione's account shows

01:18:54.940 quotes he particularly likes, ranging from Socrates to Bruce Lee to wacky anti-establishment Ted Kaczynski,

01:19:02.060 the infamous Unabomber who terrorized the country for nearly two decades by planning deadly bombs before he was

01:19:06.900 nabbed in 1996. Mangione was valedictorian of the 2016 high school graduating class at the Gilman

01:19:13.220 School in Baltimore, where he played soccer. According to online sites, high school tuition at the

01:19:18.580 All-Boys School is nearly $40,000 a year. He said at the time of graduation, he planned to seek a degree

01:19:24.680 in artificial intelligence focused on the areas of computer science and cognitive science at UPenn.

01:19:30.240 Again, that's an Ivy League school, according to an interview with the Baltimore Fish Bowl.

01:19:34.640 And there are some pictures now circulating of him online of the Luigi Mangione person who looks

01:19:41.980 identical to the person that we saw in the, I mean, identical to the person we saw in those

01:19:47.880 pictures. And indeed, the reports are that when they captured this person in the McDonald's,

01:19:52.000 who they do say is Luigi Mangione, he had a manifesto on him explaining why he shot Brian Thompson.

01:19:58.740 So it appears they have their man. Sometimes these things go haywire and we have to take that back.

01:20:03.640 So I'll put an asterisk on it for the audience, but I'll start with you on a link. What do you make

01:20:08.140 of those new details about this alleged shooter?

01:20:12.060 Well, first off, it's great to be back with you, Megan. Thanks for having me. I tried to get some

01:20:16.620 sun yesterday because I knew if I came on here looking like Margaret Brennan, you would rip me to

01:20:20.980 shreds. As for, I'm not saying she's a vampire.

01:20:24.800 That's all I'm asking for.

01:20:27.120 I'm not saying she's a vampire, but garlic does repel her. As for the man who was found at McDonald's,

01:20:32.860 does anybody remember a few years ago? I know I did because it was one block from my apartment.

01:20:37.300 They found the subway shooter out of McDonald's in the East Village. So what is with these shooters

01:20:41.920 going and hiding out at McDonald's? Also, I have to say this. The man had the mask on and the hood

01:20:47.400 and all you could see was his eyes. Michael Jackson tried this for 20 years. He wore the mask. He put

01:20:53.280 the little kids in the mask. Blanket and Babadu and Prince and Paris. Wear the mask. Everybody knew

01:20:58.080 it was Michael Jackson. Okay. So wearing the mask was probably, yeah, wearing the mask was probably

01:21:03.740 much more a signifier. I also saw the courtroom sketch from the Daniel Penny trial and there was

01:21:08.760 someone with a mask on inside. I thought, is that the healthcare CEO shooter on the jury? So I am

01:21:14.240 glad that they have found this person. I hope it is actually this person. And it's interesting. He

01:21:18.720 has such formal education. That's what really stuck out to me from this new information.

01:21:23.060 I mean, but it's interesting. You're being kind, but Amala, the truth is, is it really that surprising

01:21:27.660 that he went to an Ivy league school, that he was valedictorian? He probably got sucked into these far

01:21:32.620 left ways of thinking, the big climate change. Look, I'm not saying that happens to everybody, but

01:21:37.180 in this day and age, it's actually not a surprise at all.

01:21:40.040 Yeah. 100%. It's really interesting. I know we all have qualms with the healthcare system. And if

01:21:45.460 you've been through it or you have a family member who's, who's been in peril when it comes to their

01:21:49.020 health, I'm sure we all have grievances, but to take out your grievances in this way and to

01:21:54.020 assassinate somebody just on the street is such an interesting way to go about things. And we're

01:21:59.260 seeing this man be celebrated. And I can only imagine he's going to be a hero of sorts to certain

01:22:04.300 groups of people, but I can't stress enough. This is not the way to go about your, your grievances.

01:22:08.960 And interestingly with his, you know, intelligence and his education and what NY, the NYPD described

01:22:15.320 as a highly complex assassination attempt, you get caught in a McDonald's. My goodness. I mean,

01:22:21.940 he went through creating a ghost gun. He had multiple fake ideas. Uh, when the NYPD went over

01:22:27.640 the security footage to see where this guy tracked, apparently he had everything planned on how to get

01:22:32.440 out of the city and how to get to Pennsylvania. And then you get caught by an elderly citizen in a

01:22:36.980 McDonald's. It's just tragic. It's really crazy. I'm looking at now what we believe is his X feed

01:22:43.360 and, um, he's tweeting out like the Andrew Huberman podcasts, uh, Peter Thiel on the many great startups

01:22:53.840 being run by people suffering from a mild form of Asperger's and how we should view this as an

01:22:58.040 indictment of our society. I have no idea whether that applies to him. Um, a lot on AI and that this

01:23:04.840 obviously was an area in which he was very, uh, interested. Caffeine is really the only drug that

01:23:11.380 has achieved this level of social acceptance. Talking about first coffee in my morning. I don't

01:23:16.140 know, like the very quirky, interesting man. Um, and then the top tweet that he's pinned is seven

01:23:23.680 years ago. This is on December of 22. I gave my high school senior speech on this topic today. I'll be

01:23:29.240 talking to you about the future about topics ranging from conscious AI to human immortality.

01:23:36.380 Likely you will dismiss all of this pretty quickly as interesting, but just science fiction. And I think

01:23:43.340 he probably went on to argue it's not, you know, it's pretty crazy because you know that everybody

01:23:48.020 who went to Gilman private high school right now, it's an all boys school link is freaking out that

01:23:55.800 the valedictorian of their 2016 class is now in custody as a person of interest in this murder

01:24:02.400 that I think virtually every American has been made aware of and has significant advantages in

01:24:09.960 his background, $40,000 a year, number one in the class off to you Penn Ivy league. Like if you're

01:24:17.700 going to write down the resume of somebody forget, you know, radicalization. Yes. That's one thing

01:24:21.580 that that would be the exact path you take, but then to become murderous, right. To become murderous.

01:24:28.020 I don't know. He's of the age 26. A lot of these guys have a psychotic break. This guy doesn't seem

01:24:32.760 psychotic. He seems extremely well planned out. You know, I also graduated from an all boys private

01:24:39.260 school in 2016. So I just found this out, you know, not this one, not this one. So I actually,

01:24:46.100 you know, I just hope justice is served like with the Daniel Penny trial. It's always a nail biter.

01:24:50.380 If these things are actually going to come through and come to fruition. I've also been incredibly

01:24:54.420 dismayed and disgusted by the people online who are laughing at this, cheering this on,

01:24:59.660 you know, Taylor Lorenz profiled me back in April when I was working on the Kennedy campaign. So

01:25:03.980 I had my own sort of interesting encounter with her. I said, you know, I'm not sure I'm interested

01:25:08.700 in being profiled. And she said, well, we're going to write about you anyway, whether you talk to us

01:25:12.580 or not. So seeing her now come out and support this shooter is not necessarily shocking to me.

01:25:18.700 But if I were that guy, I probably would have gotten out of the country. I wouldn't be hanging

01:25:22.840 out at a McDonald's in Pennsylvania. But as someone who went to a conservative all boys private school

01:25:27.920 in Texas, and then went to NYU, a very liberal woke school, you have to fight the indoctrination

01:25:33.760 happening in these classrooms. Because we had professors, adjunct professors, TAs, who basically

01:25:39.060 teach you that you're an oppressor, you're a colonizer, everything that's good is actually bad,

01:25:43.920 you really have to fight the indoctrination in these schools. So it'll be interesting to see

01:25:47.480 if this is the guy and if justice can be served.

01:25:50.880 Mm hmm. Oh, my God. I mean, colleges in general right now, Amala, are trying to radicalize all of

01:25:57.680 their students. There are a few exceptions, but the list is short. I mean, I could list it in with my 10

01:26:03.440 fingers and then we'd be done. The vast majority are woke indoctrination factories. Still, my friend is

01:26:09.380 going through the application process with her son. And it was Wake Forest, which is in North

01:26:15.740 Carolina, which is supposed to be like a normal place. And it was something like, would you like

01:26:21.340 to spend a few lines telling us about your thoughts on gender identity? I was like, I will give him

01:26:27.700 $10,000 if he will just write. There are only two biological sexes. Gender is a lie.

01:26:34.200 Right. Yeah. Sometimes these are the things you have to do. And I see a lot of students who are

01:26:40.960 in university and they're struggling. They're saying, you know, I don't know what to do. I

01:26:43.960 don't know what to say for these safe to these questions. They're trying, you know, desperately

01:26:48.200 to hold on to their values in a society that is constantly running dissident to them. And I imagine

01:26:53.860 we I mean, we've all seen it. These universities are radicalizing people at an extreme rate. And

01:26:59.380 they're really bringing these young people problems in the world that are not running in tandem with

01:27:04.840 reality. And when you have an ideology that is not working in tandem with reality, what's real and

01:27:10.040 what's natural starts to feel really oppressive. And on the other end of that, they're being told to

01:27:14.800 protest and and lash out. And we're seeing these protests very quickly turn to violence and to

01:27:20.100 riots as in 2020 with the BLM riots that we all suffered through for what, six months. So I don't know

01:27:26.420 what this guy's political affiliations are, but it does seem like we are trending towards these very

01:27:31.640 radical ideas when it comes to solving our problems or airing out our grievances in the public space.

01:27:37.580 And this is a prime example of that. OK, so to follow up on that, it's, of course, well beyond

01:27:42.880 the university. It's in our government right now, which is one of the reasons why Trump won.

01:27:46.960 I mean, it's all over our government. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris let it infect every single government

01:27:52.420 agency we have right down to the Defense Department, which is one of the reasons why Pete

01:27:56.500 Hegseth remains so popular, notwithstanding the media assault on him with these allegations,

01:28:01.460 because he's promising to de-woke-ify the military. But today you may or may not know,

01:28:06.860 as celebrated by our HHS, is pansexual and panromantic pride day.

01:28:16.560 Now, I had to look up what the hell that is. What is pansexual? And it's, I guess,

01:28:24.380 someone who's attracted to anyone irrespective of gender. And then I had to Google,

01:28:32.900 what is the difference between pansexual and bi? I'm like, why am I spending time on this bullshit?

01:28:41.840 And this is what the AI Google overview said. Pansexual means being attracted to people regardless

01:28:49.700 of gender. Bisexual means being attracted to more than one specific gender, implying that gender

01:28:58.080 might still play a role in attraction. What in the actual F? And how is our government tweeting out

01:29:05.780 that today we have to celebrate the pansexuals and the equally ambiguous panromantics?

01:29:13.140 Right. With everything going on in the world, this is their priority. But look at Rachel Levine,

01:29:19.140 look at Sam Brinton, the luggage thief, also Matt Damon's doppelganger. These are the people

01:29:23.580 who have been in the government around. He is Matt Damon's doppelganger. Let's just call it what it is.

01:29:30.120 But these are the people in the government and this is where their priorities lie. And this is why

01:29:34.600 Trump won in a historic landslide, popular vote, electoral college, House, Senate, because he said

01:29:40.880 enough is enough with the woke nonsense. Except for Caitlyn Jenner. We love Caitlyn. She's MAGA.

01:29:46.800 But everybody else, we're tired of the woke BS. We are tired. It's hard to get a size 14 heel.

01:29:52.340 Shout out to Caitlyn. But we are tired of the woke nonsense in the government. And also my audience,

01:29:58.140 the majority of my audience, 80% is female. Many of them are moms. The only people who come up to me

01:30:03.000 are these hot, amazing moms. And I talk with them all the time. I say, you know, I just graduated

01:30:08.400 from college. If you have a kid who's going off to college, maybe look into a trade school,

01:30:13.220 maybe do a little more research because you're going to go rack up thousands, maybe six figures

01:30:17.360 in debt. And then you're just going to be indoctrinated. You're going to have this debt.

01:30:21.200 You're not going to have a job. So I see this trend where a lot of people are saying, you know what,

01:30:24.860 I don't want to go to one of these woke schools. I'm going to go join the workforce,

01:30:28.200 learn a trade because in the future, we're not going to need, you know, queer theater majors

01:30:32.620 like my friends did at NYU. We're going to need plumbers, people who can put together chairs.

01:30:37.620 Yes. What does the queer theater major do for us? I mean, I guess they go on to Broadway,

01:30:42.820 which is fine, but Broadway is steadily making itself less and less relatable.

01:30:47.120 And it's like we have Latinx literature majors. I'm sorry, don't act shocked you can't find a job

01:30:51.920 when you majored in Latinx queer literature. You know what I'm saying? So I think we're going to see

01:30:56.540 just a reversal on this. And I think I'm very excited for January 20th to come again. It's

01:31:03.320 Latinx, but it's fine. It's there's a big debate about which way I guess you can go.

01:31:10.420 You can go either way. Oh, so to speak, just like a panromantic.

01:31:15.960 Well, back in my day, being gay was enough. It's like when I came out, being gay was shocking

01:31:20.580 and it was enough. Now you've got to be pan, poly, trans, non everything. I'm like,

01:31:25.280 you're a boy now, right? I'm normie. I'm boring. Yeah, no, but they totally would have tried to

01:31:30.320 trans you link back in the day. They would have said you're not allowed to be a homosexual

01:31:33.700 boy. You can't be a gay boy. There's you got to be a girl. We got to grow out link's hair.

01:31:38.980 I mean, it's sick. Like put the dress on. So many gay men are fighting back against this,

01:31:43.860 right? Because it's like a little conversion factory. What they're doing this translate is

01:31:47.060 very, very wrong. All right. Let's talk about some hard news. Uh, as we await more information,

01:31:51.720 all I want to see is a picture of the elderly patron at McDonald's who I deed this guy that

01:31:56.700 my day and week will not be complete until I get to celebrate this hero. I cannot wait to find out

01:32:03.600 more about this person. And by the way, if I find out elderly means 54 years old, I'm going to be

01:32:08.720 angry. Okay. Um, Oh, wait, we, we did this for you. Take a look at this link.

01:32:20.600 Oh, I rest my case. I speak nothing but the truth people. You might not like it, but it's the truth.

01:32:27.220 It's Sam Britton next to Matt Damon. There is an eerie resemblance. It's there. Have we seen them in the

01:32:34.060 same room? Have we seen them in the same room? Same with, same with what's the guy's name who

01:32:38.200 ran for president? We've got, uh, Eugene Levy and the other guy from North Dakota. What's his name?

01:32:43.560 Doug or Doug Burgum for president. Yeah. Doug Burgum. We've never seen them in the same room either.

01:32:47.900 Yes. Very strong unibrow. That's, that's the common trait. Um, okay. We were talking in the first hour

01:32:53.880 about Trump and, uh, his interview on meet the press, which was actually very interesting,

01:32:57.740 but also interesting was his trip over to France. He attended the reopening of the Notre Dame cathedral,

01:33:02.980 which we were all thrilled to see happen. Uh, one of the world's treasures and, uh, a very

01:33:09.060 interesting moment where he sat one away from Jill Biden and the person in between them got up.

01:33:16.580 And so it was just those two for a moment. And they were super friendly with, here's a full screen

01:33:21.600 of it. Picture. They were smiling. And so many people had a million captions for this. I'll stay on

01:33:28.160 you for this one link. How would you caption that one with Jill and Trump smiling at each

01:33:32.960 other? The only times we've seen Jill Biden smile recently are when she's with Donald Trump. She is

01:33:39.740 smiling ear to ear in the picture. When he came to the white house recently, she's having the time

01:33:43.900 of her life, hanging out with him in Paris, Donald Trump. We don't need another season of Emily in

01:33:48.480 Paris. We need Donald Trump in Paris. He was over there having a great time. He was holding court.

01:33:53.960 I was shocked. He didn't come home wearing a beret, smoking one of those long obnoxious cigarettes. So

01:33:58.480 Donald Trump was having a great time in Paris. Jill Biden, she looks so happy. She looks like

01:34:04.040 she just got a pardon. And if Biden can pardon the turkey and Hunter, might as well give her one too.

01:34:09.500 She may wind up getting one. There are going to be a lot of Bidens who still get pardoned.

01:34:13.040 But it was very interesting, Amala, to see the two of them over there, chummy. It was to the point

01:34:18.140 where it became such a meme that Trump put out this full screen, this sort of like graphic ad

01:34:24.540 showing Jill and Trump together. Was it Trump who put this? Yeah, it was for Trump who put this out.

01:34:30.580 And it reads, a fragrance your enemies can't resist. And it says, fight, fight, fight. And it

01:34:36.860 actually is a Trump fragrance that he's trying to market right now. So what do you make of it?

01:34:42.300 Is there a, is there a, yeah. Are they, are they actually friendly? Did they both vote for the

01:34:47.000 same person? You know what? They, they just might have. We all saw Jill Biden on election day where

01:34:53.100 she was strutting around in that bright red suit of hers and she was smiling ear to ear and she has

01:34:58.420 been virtually ever since. Maybe it just felt good to be sitting next to a lucid president with Donald

01:35:03.620 Trump, but you can watch with everybody in the room, every single eye is on him. They cannot look away

01:35:09.620 from him. So I was thinking he might just very well might have that fragrance on because people

01:35:14.820 were gravitating towards this man. And we've watched over the past, what? I don't know, eight years

01:35:18.940 as these individuals have attacked him. They've cast him aside. They've, they've laughed at him in this

01:35:24.220 sort of move of political theater that we saw in reference to the Trump administration and to the

01:35:28.920 Trump campaign in this last election. But now that he's won, they are just gravitating towards him.

01:35:34.020 He's like a magnet here. We saw in that video, uh, that he was shaking hands with, uh, the Italian

01:35:40.380 prime minister. And we saw, um, uh, Prince William standing there shaking his hand and Trump after

01:35:47.600 the fact, like said something, is this, we don't have this on tape, right? Do we have that on tape?

01:35:53.420 Oh, it's via the New York post was commenting on how attractive Prince William is saying, um,

01:35:59.560 you know, he's such a good looking guy. And it was saying even more handsome in person.

01:36:05.920 He goes, he's a good looking guy. He looks really very handsome last night. Some people look better

01:36:12.220 in person. He looked great. He looked really nice. And I told him that

01:36:15.480 which is like the highest form of currency with Trump.

01:36:19.920 Well, one thing about Trump is he loves central casting. We're about to have the hottest cabinet in

01:36:25.860 American history. Okay. If you're hot, you're blonde, you're ripped, then you're probably

01:36:30.760 going to be in the cabinet with Donald Trump. You know what I'm saying? We've got Pete Hegseth

01:36:34.460 and everybody's all shocked about Pete Hegseth. I'm like, you think men with cheekbones and jaws

01:36:39.100 like that have been perfectly good boys their whole lives? No, it's central casting. And as for Prince

01:36:44.300 William, I think Prince William is thinking I've lost my hair up top. So I'm going to do the scruff to

01:36:49.920 sort of balance it out. But when I saw Trump with Prince William, the body language was great.

01:36:55.040 This is what we need with international relations. Prince William, unfortunately,

01:36:59.020 King Charles is sick. He will likely be king very soon. And I couldn't help but think about Prince

01:37:03.760 Harry and Meghan Markle waltzing around their McMansion and Montecito complaining about how

01:37:08.900 famous they are. I really think those two little hucksters thought they were going to be in like

01:37:13.640 Flint if Kamala Harris won because they're best friends with Oprah Winfrey. She was, you know,

01:37:17.960 out there campaigning for Kamala. Now they're going to have to sit there irrelevant as ever.

01:37:22.300 I know all she has left is her little jars of jam. Amala, she's not she's not going to be the first

01:37:29.660 lady of Montecito. She's not going to be anything other than a jam proprietor, which is fine. It's

01:37:36.000 fine. It's just wasn't her lifetime goals. She's out there with Tyler Perry and Oprah instead of

01:37:42.760 welcoming the incoming president as she of the United States as she might have if she had just

01:37:48.060 oh done the terrible work of sticking with the royal family.

01:37:52.420 Oh, yeah, it's so hard to be around those races who are concerned about her skin color. And I'm

01:37:57.300 sorry, did any of us think that Meghan Markle was really that black? Are we looking at the same

01:38:01.820 individual? I just really don't believe the narrative that she spun about this family.

01:38:06.260 And it's so interesting that everywhere she goes, this sort of victimhood mentality

01:38:09.920 follows her. And she claims she had no idea what she was getting into when when meeting Prince Harry

01:38:15.640 and could not even imagine what her life was going to be like on the other end of it. I'm

01:38:19.320 thinking, OK, we know you were a husband hunting and we know you had a scope on the right. Well,

01:38:23.640 you knew exactly what you were dealing with when you got in bed with that man. And now we're going

01:38:27.940 to see because with this move towards conservatism that's coming with Trump, I think we're going to

01:38:32.760 see this in Europe as well. And with Macron being there, France has been struggling in his sense with

01:38:38.920 an uptick in right leaning views. And I think all of them are going to be dealing with that

01:38:44.100 under this Trump administration. It's so true. Like Trump has provided everyone with a roadmap

01:38:48.980 of how to do it. If even Trump could get reelected after J six, after all the fascism claims and the

01:38:54.280 Hitler claims and the American people spoke overwhelmingly saying, we don't care. We want

01:38:58.640 a different way of living. We want to go back to basics here in America. We need a factory reset

01:39:03.160 on this nonsense. Then there's a there's a roadmap for other world leaders to say, I see what people

01:39:09.640 want. We've been led astray going in the wrong direction. I want to show you this, too.

01:39:13.940 Um, Trump shook hands with Zelensky at the LSA palace who was, they were there with, uh, Emmanuel

01:39:21.560 Macron on Saturday. And it was an interesting handshake. You know, Trump is famous or infamous

01:39:25.860 for his handshakes, the power handshakes where he pulls you in. He loves to pull you in. He's

01:39:30.500 holding him and holding him. Okay. So there we go. He held him. And now, uh, here's Macron next to him,

01:39:37.340 the three of them. And here we go. This is, this is back example where he pulls in Macron.

01:39:41.820 So like, there he goes. And then it turns into like, look, holding, he doesn't let go of him.

01:39:48.580 Look at him. He won't let go. This is what he met with Macron. What is it with Trump and the

01:39:53.600 handshake? What's happening? Look. Yeah. Look, look, look, there he goes again. Elbow up now. Elbow up

01:39:59.520 above, above Macron. It's like clearly a sign of dominance. Love to get a body language on,

01:40:06.040 uh, expert, but what do you guys make of the handshake? Well, as someone who is a body language

01:40:12.800 expert, I will tell you, this is just a man with bravado machismo. This is a guy who is totally in

01:40:18.960 control. Trump has climbed the highest mountain twice. And I said recently, everybody around the

01:40:24.280 world, all these world leaders, they either fear or revere Donald Trump. And those are two really great

01:40:29.720 places to be in because we're so used to Joe Biden shuffling in. They put him on the back of these

01:40:34.480 photos. Now at the summit, nobody respects him. Donald Trump is coming in and everybody's

01:40:38.820 attention has been heightened. So I was really happy to see this as for Zelensky. Could the man

01:40:43.800 not put a suit on? If I was going to meet my sugar daddy, the man who's been funding my country with

01:40:49.220 hundreds of billions of dollars, I would have put a suit on, you know? So I don't understand what

01:40:53.420 Zelensky, maybe he can't throw on a suit and tie, but Trump was definitely asserting his dominance.

01:40:58.740 I do want to tell you something funny about the handshake. My husband, Doug,

01:41:01.820 asked one of our friends who's CIA about the Trump handshake. And he showed us a way that like a man,

01:41:09.400 I mean, he doesn't do this to women, but that a man can like stop the crushing grip and then pulling

01:41:14.960 you in. It's like a maneuver that the CIA guys know, or like you can, you can Trump the dominant

01:41:21.240 pull in. And we were like, Oh, that's good. That's good. You know, we'll have to remember that.

01:41:24.920 Not me, but Doug. And then we talked to Jack Carr, famous author and Navy SEAL. And he said,

01:41:32.780 Oh no, that can easily be counteracted and showed us a double secret, triple secret move to counter

01:41:38.940 the CIA move. So now, I mean, poor Doug has got a lot to remember if he ever shakes hands with

01:41:44.400 anybody who special forces are in the government. So when I meet Doug, I'm just going to go for a

01:41:48.980 normal handshake. Okay. Yeah. Right. He won't unleash his newfound special skills on you unless

01:41:54.540 you're trying to dominate. He's coming on soon. Maybe we'll ask him to, to demonstrate some of

01:41:59.020 these on us. Okay. Also wanted to give you this new update from the New York times on this person

01:42:04.980 of interest, Luigi Mangione, who's been captured in this Altoona, Pennsylvania, McDonald's. It's back

01:42:10.340 now. First they said it was a McDonald's worker who ID'd him. Then they changed it to elderly patron at

01:42:15.800 the restaurant. And now they're back to, it was a worker. I'm actually really into this drama. I want

01:42:21.040 to know exactly who it was. Here's what the New York times is reporting. Joseph Kenny, the chief of

01:42:25.740 detectives describes Mangione as born and raised in Maryland with ties to San Francisco says he lived

01:42:30.940 in Honolulu until recently, no known criminal record in New York. Luigi Mangione was eating at the

01:42:37.700 McDonald's when an employee recognized him. So that's interesting. Maybe he was actually not only

01:42:41.260 getting his food, but had sat down if he was actually eating, or maybe they just use that term

01:42:45.580 colloquially, meaning he was getting his food to eat. Uh, for now he faces gun charges in Altoona

01:42:51.760 and the authorities will work on getting him to New York. Chief Kenny says Mangione was in possession of

01:42:56.520 a ghost gun and a silencer. Again, we heard that earlier. So that's not good news for Mangione. If he had

01:43:01.000 the gun on him, Joseph Kenny, the chief detective says the police in Altoona have the document that was

01:43:07.260 found on Luigi Mangione that there is no sense anyone else was in danger. Quote, it does seem he has

01:43:14.860 some ill will toward corporate America. According to his LinkedIn, the suspect in, uh, this shooting

01:43:22.300 volunteered for an assisted living healthcare facility, which was founded by someone with his same last

01:43:29.900 name. That's interesting getting that's per libs of Tik TOK, um, getting more and more interesting,

01:43:37.060 but it does appear. He was continues libs of Tik TOK, very familiar with the healthcare industry.

01:43:43.420 Hmm. Wow. You know, Bacia made a good point in the first hour, you guys, that as we learn more about

01:43:49.960 his particular grievances, we're all going to be faced with a tough decision on whether we actually

01:43:54.820 discuss them. Right. If he's not some psychotic, crazy, crazy guy, who's just making random ramblings,

01:44:01.380 you know, I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think we do. This is obviously not a well

01:44:07.200 person and that's exactly what he wants us to do. You know, and as I said to Bacia, maybe down the line,

01:44:12.700 you know, we're always talking about healthcare in American, how it can improve, especially with the

01:44:16.200 new president coming in. But I don't know. What do you think about it? I'm a lot. Do we,

01:44:19.740 do we delve into what drove this man? I guess it's just really just going to depend on what

01:44:27.140 he has to say. You know, they said he's inspired by, by Ted Kaczynski in some of these reports.

01:44:31.340 And if you go and read through some of the manifesto of the Unabomber, you're hearing

01:44:34.980 things and going, okay, uh, this guy was onto something in a certain respect and is clearly

01:44:39.060 very intelligent, but then goes on to do something so radical that it almost crosses out everything

01:44:44.720 that you've thought about in the past. Now I do believe a consistent and reasonable grievance

01:44:51.680 exists on its own. And these are things that we're already trying to tackle within our healthcare

01:44:55.820 system. So I don't know that we go through everything he has to say with a fine tooth comb

01:45:00.680 and, and really attribute our, our investigation of these problems to him. I imagine there are people

01:45:06.460 working on these things as we speak, but this is where, what happens when you, you have these

01:45:12.440 radical actions on the other end of your grievances, it does sort of make everything

01:45:16.440 you've said before, no matter how reasonable, look a little crazy. This is what we see with

01:45:21.640 these, uh, climate change activists. I know that you seem to have some, some grievances about how

01:45:27.180 we're treating our planet and, and the fossil fuels and the littering, but you just super glued your

01:45:32.440 hand to a Starbucks counter. So I'm not sure I want to hear you out on the things you're complaining

01:45:37.060 about. Right. You just tried to throw paint on a Monet in the Louvre. So yeah, no, I don't think

01:45:43.580 we should be listening to anything. This guy says whatsoever link. I don't think we should be

01:45:46.600 debating it. I think you air enough of it just so people understand motivation and that's it because

01:45:51.180 why, why would we care? Do we really want to go into, uh, the Trump assassins hatred of Donald Trump

01:45:58.320 and what drove him to actually, you would do it just to understand the motivation, but then you would

01:46:03.300 not have a serious debate about whether Donald Trump was bad in the way the shooter said he was

01:46:08.480 bad. And this is no different. Absolutely. And sometimes these people just want attention. They

01:46:14.700 want to be celebrities, especially with social media now. And unfortunately we turn them into

01:46:19.540 folk heroes on the internet sometimes in the far left woke corners of the internet. So I would not be

01:46:25.080 giving this guy that much airtime. I wouldn't be showing his picture, saying his name. Same with

01:46:29.620 Thomas Crooks who shot at Donald Trump on July 13th and Butler, you know, these people,

01:46:34.100 their pictures get plastered and then they find celebrity on the internet, but the ends do not

01:46:39.120 always justify the means. Maybe cause I grew up in church to evils do not make a right. So shooting

01:46:44.620 the CEO who has kids and I don't know what his relationship was with the ex-wife. It seems like

01:46:49.900 they were friendly. They were amicable, amicable, but someone who is a father who has friends and

01:46:55.120 family shooting him is not going to fix the healthcare system. And I'm very familiar with

01:46:59.840 all the issues in our healthcare system because that was the main focus of the Kennedy campaign.

01:47:03.960 We need a much more comprehensive look at chronic disease and our healthcare system,

01:47:08.100 which is deeply broken, but shooting people on the street in New York is not the way to get the

01:47:12.840 change you want. That's exactly right. And by the way, UnitedHealthcare and the other healthcare

01:47:17.020 insurance companies, while they, they leave a lot to be desired in terms of overall approach,

01:47:21.200 they've saved a lot of lives too. I mean, they, they've covered a lot of procedures

01:47:24.560 and preliminary testing and so on that you might not otherwise have had covered in another country

01:47:29.300 or under, you know, with no insurance whatsoever. So I, I don't understand like that, that they're

01:47:33.980 getting painted as these uniformly terrible organizations. They're not perfect, but they're

01:47:38.200 really important in, in, you know, what happens here in America. The number of our Unabomber episode,

01:47:44.960 which honestly is one of the most memorable we ever did. Like I, we had the FBI guy on who tracked

01:47:52.800 him down and caught him, who went into the cabin. It was episode two, two, seven. It's only like an

01:47:58.880 hour long, well worth your time. If you want to hear some of what apparently this Luigi character

01:48:05.040 felt very interested in and potentially motivated by episode two, two, seven. If you want to listen

01:48:09.460 to that on some driver on your weekend commute. All right. I have got to talk about, I know I could do

01:48:15.660 KJP, but I don't want to do that. I want to talk to you about Rosie O'Donnell because there is a

01:48:20.380 headline in the news today, and this is what it is. I made the headline and I, I made it for a

01:48:25.600 reason. Donald Trump gave Rosie O'Donnell herpes. He gave Rosie O'Donnell herpes. That is what she

01:48:36.920 says. And he didn't give it to her in the normal way that I think most people get herpes. He gave it

01:48:44.320 to her by the stress, the stress of being elected. This is what she's claiming. All right. I'm going

01:48:52.600 to walk you through the different iterations of Rosie's disgusting problems, just to name a few.

01:48:59.720 And by the way, speaking of a little bronzer, Link, here's her, here's her first video.

01:49:06.480 Saw 10. Well, hey, everybody. It's Friday all day, as my Nana would say. Oh my God. And look what I

01:49:13.600 have on my lip. Everybody's been saying you have herpes, you have herpes all this time. And I never

01:49:18.820 had a cold sore in my life. And now I have a cold sore. And it makes me think that perhaps this weird

01:49:24.800 pimple that had a tiny little head was a cold sore too. And so I talked to my doctor today and I did a

01:49:31.820 video telehealth and they said that it's not a cold sore. It's some reaction to the sun. So I don't

01:49:41.740 know. I will let you know tomorrow if I do in fact have herpes as some of the taunting from the MAGA

01:49:48.040 people in the last couple of weeks. Hasn't it been fun, ladies and gentlemen, to be standing in

01:49:56.340 direct opposition to everything he is and represents. And always have been. And always will be.

01:50:08.660 I don't know. Strange. Okay. This is the first chapter of our saga. It was filed on Friday,

01:50:15.980 this past Friday. So buckle in because, you know, the MAGA people caused her to have herpes as she's

01:50:22.500 oppositional to Donald Trump. And so she suspected or was it just from the sun? We got the update

01:50:29.460 on Sunday and this just in. Yep, everybody, it's a cold sore.

01:50:37.700 There you have it. Stress can do horrible things. Strange thing about my cold sore,

01:50:41.800 doesn't hurt. Not sure why I get a non-hurting cold sore. It's cold sore. I almost said coleslaw,

01:50:49.600 which would be weird. As she is. I mean, who goes on close up on Instagram and post video of their

01:50:58.520 cold sore, which is the herpes virus at issue. And just for good measure, she did talk about the one

01:51:06.420 reason she stressed outside of Trump and MAGA. It might be the UFOs. Why are you stressed?

01:51:14.080 A lot of reasons. I was on a flight today and I asked the flight attendant, had she seen any UFOs

01:51:25.160 in the sky? Because she flies all the time. She's like, what do you mean UFOs?

01:51:30.580 Like, you didn't hear about the UFOs all over the world and a tremendous amount in New Jersey and

01:51:35.760 over our nuclear power plants? UFOs, people. That's what it is. UFOs. But nobody seems to care.

01:51:42.620 See them and keep posting, everyone. Keep posting until they take away our TikTok in the

01:51:47.700 middle of January, because it's really the fourth estate, right? It's really the free press in

01:51:54.380 America. This is why I get cold sores, ladies and gentlemen. Hope, please. Or at least one.

01:51:59.340 I'd love to say I got it from making out with some really sexy people, but it's not the case.

01:52:05.200 I'm going to put on my Abriva on my cold sore. There it is. Shine bright like a cold sore.

01:52:11.640 All right, everyone. Have a great one. TikTok, you don't stop.

01:52:19.820 What's next? Like hemorrhoids?

01:52:23.540 Is there no privacy or dignity?

01:52:28.800 This is almost as bad as that Kamala Harris video when she was drunk and slurring and looking

01:52:35.040 demoralized and broken. This is almost as bad as that. When I saw the Rosie O'Donnell video, I'm like,

01:52:40.420 get the girl some Valtrex. Get her a prescription. Get her something. I don't know what's going on with

01:52:44.940 her. But she looks totally demoralized and broken down. And when she blames her second stressor on UFOs,

01:52:51.800 hasn't her daughter been arrested like three times recently for meth and all these other issues?

01:52:57.000 Maybe that would be stressing you out as well. So I don't know why she's blaming it on the UFOs.

01:53:02.500 That's a good point. I just can't imagine like what how is it empowering Amala to go out there

01:53:09.640 looking your absolute worst? I mean, I'm assuming I'm assuming that's her worst. Maybe she can go

01:53:15.020 a couple degrees down. I don't know. But like no makeup, like as unflattering in terms of your

01:53:21.340 aging as you could possibly make yourself calling attention to your pimples and your herpes outbreaks

01:53:28.260 and giving details about them to a public as you talk about how much you hate half the country.

01:53:36.800 This is not a well person. Megan, have you not met the modern woman? The modern woman is beautiful.

01:53:43.600 She rejects objective beauty standards. She shows herself to the world herpes and all. And she

01:53:49.520 posts videos of her putting putting a brief on them. And we've seen this from Rosie O'Donnell. She

01:53:54.200 loves to like detail her entire day. My advice to her, get a diary. You know, you can put those words

01:54:00.000 in there, close it up and not show it to the world. But instead, she decides to publicize all of it. And

01:54:04.940 she puts out these lengthy videos where she sits outside in the sun watching the squirrels that go by her

01:54:11.280 house. And I will tell her, sun is not good for cold sores. And neither is the stress that you have

01:54:16.200 surrounding this election. What are we going to get next? Like boils? Where, where exactly do you go

01:54:27.460 from your, your herpes? I, an anal fissure. I had just tried to think how bad could it get? I think

01:54:38.200 it could get worse. I don't think she's done. Whatever you're following, you should unfollow

01:54:43.800 wherever you're getting this information from. This is not a well person. As I said, I'm not sure

01:54:50.940 there's anything more to say. I will say there are some weird drones flying over New Jersey. She wasn't

01:54:56.080 wrong that that is happening. I don't know what that is. All I keep hearing is that

01:54:59.980 they're going to investigate. So it is weird what's happening with the New Jersey drones

01:55:05.420 over various places. I don't know that I'd pull a flight attendant aside to ask her what she knew

01:55:10.920 about the UFOs. That's like a slightly out there, but I do think she's like living proof link about

01:55:16.080 how Trump just lucks out by having the very best enemies one can have.

01:55:21.780 I mean, Trump broke these liberals brains back in 2016 and they thought it was over.

01:55:27.940 He really came in and demolished them now. And what's interesting, you have these celebrities

01:55:32.300 like Rosie O'Donnell, Kathy Griffin, who have total Trump derangement syndrome, but his policies are only

01:55:38.780 going to make their lives better. They live in these liberal cities full of crime. They have migrants

01:55:44.060 all over the street. There's dirt all over and trash everywhere. Trump coming in might be a beacon for a

01:55:49.620 beacon of hope for your failing city and your failing state led by Governor Gavin Newsom. So

01:55:54.240 I don't know why Rosie O'Donnell and all these celebrities are complaining, but the Trump

01:55:58.240 derangement syndrome has just reached a fever pitch. Yeah, I'd like a fever blister pitch, you might say.

01:56:04.640 Oh, no. Thank you, Amala. Thank you as well. Always fun. Great to see you.

01:56:12.660 Thank you so much. Thanks for having us. What a crazy news cycle and what a crazy

01:56:18.540 day, right? I can't believe the updates on this and we will continue to follow them. I'm sure we'll

01:56:25.000 have a lot more by this time tomorrow because they will have read that whole manifesto and we'll get

01:56:30.180 some more details. So thanks to all of you for joining us today. And don't forget tomorrow we are

01:56:34.600 back with the one and only Heather McDonald. I mean, there are like commentators on the news

01:56:41.120 and then there's Heather McDonald. It's like the smartest person in the country.

01:56:47.200 Absolutely love her. She's here tomorrow. Don't miss that.

01:56:54.180 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - December 09, 2024

Daniel Penny NOT Guilty, Trump Spars with NBC, and CEO Assassin Possibly Caught, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Amala Ekpunobi, and Link Lauren ｜ Ep. 960

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