The Megyn Kelly Show - Deep Dive： How Big Food Companies Target Americans and Young People with Unhealthy Products, with Vani Hari and Grace Price ｜ Ep. 908

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:14.900 Last week, I watched the entire four-hour American Health and Nutrition Roundtable that was hosted by Senator Ron Johnson.

00:00:21.140 It was fascinating. It was on the heels of our having Casey Means on this show, Dr. Casey Means,

00:00:25.840 and discussing her book, Good Energy, which is a must-read. All of this is a collective siren call

00:00:32.100 that we desperately need to change the foods we consume. There was a massive rally to this effect

00:00:39.080 the other day in Washington, talking about how we need to resist the push of poison on us and our

00:00:47.100 children. It had many points, but this was just one of them, including RFKJ and others. And two people

00:00:52.560 who have been outspoken on this issue for a while, including at that Senate Roundtable,

00:00:56.920 are here with me today. Vani Hari is known online as the food babe and has built a big following,

00:01:03.020 holding big food companies accountable for the ingredients they place in their products.

00:01:06.840 And Grace Price is an 18-year-old who made the documentary Cancer, a food-borne illness,

00:01:14.500 who caught my eye as I watched that whole four-hour hearing.

00:01:17.580 Welcome to the show, Vani and Grace. Great to have you.

00:01:22.200 Thank you for having us.

00:01:23.400 Thank you so much.

00:01:25.040 You bet. All right, Vani, let me start with you. So you were the one, our audience may remember this

00:01:29.440 because we played the clip actually a couple times, holding up the Froot Loops and showing how in the

00:01:34.800 UK they don't have a bunch of colors in them, but in the United States they do. And you did this with

00:01:39.620 French fries. You did this with a bunch of food products showing it's so easy. You're not asking

00:01:44.800 these manufacturers of food to do something radical. You just want us to be treated the way

00:01:49.880 the Europeans are treated when it comes to our health and our food coloring, et cetera. Can you

00:01:55.580 expand on that?

00:01:57.000 Yeah, absolutely. So right now, American food companies are using toxic ingredients that are

00:02:04.300 either banned or regulated differently in the same exact products that they serve American citizens.

00:02:12.680 So for example, McDonald's French fries has 11 ingredients here in the United States. Whereas

00:02:19.700 in other countries, they are only using three ingredients and salt is optional. Then you've got

00:02:26.840 things like Skittles, which uses 10 different artificial food dyes here in the United States

00:02:32.220 and the ingredient titanium dioxide that's banned in Europe because it can cause DNA damage.

00:02:38.860 But in the UK version, they eliminate these ingredients. And this runs the gamut across

00:02:45.200 the board. Whether it's M&Ms, I mean, I think about Halloween coming up, it's going to be an M&Ms,

00:02:51.280 Starbursts, you know, Haribo gummy bears. Almost every single major American food company is doing

00:02:59.340 this because they're using the lack of regulation in our US food system to their advantage. 0.92

00:03:04.940 And it's very hypocritical. And I think it's unethical because we're American citizens. And as

00:03:11.420 RFK Jr. said in that Senate roundtable, if any other country was doing this to us, it would be

00:03:19.160 considered an act of war. We have an opportunity right now to let the American public know about

00:03:26.500 this happening. And we're under a massive experiment within the human population. In 1958,

00:03:36.020 let me just give you some stats. In 1958, there was only 800 food additives approved from use.

00:03:43.660 Now it's over 10,000. And there are thousands of chemicals that have not even been reviewed by the

00:03:50.820 FDA at all. They've been literally just slid right into the food system without anybody knowing what

00:03:58.060 the risks are, what the safety data looks like. And you see the skyrocketing rates of disease and cancer

00:04:05.680 and other serious issues that are related to a lot of these additives. And we've got to do something

00:04:12.220 about it. In Europe, there's only 400 ingredients approved for use. So, you know, we have a huge disparity

00:04:19.500 between different countries, but also these are American food companies doing this. We need to

00:04:27.900 hold them accountable. And one of the companies that is at the forefront of this right now, in my eyes,

00:04:34.400 is Kellogg's because they're targeting little children. Back in 2015, they said that they would

00:04:41.180 remove artificial food dyes from all their cereals by 2018, but they never did. And they lied about it.

00:04:48.340 And they started to create new cereals that were targeting the smallest of children using the most

00:04:53.940 popular toddler songs like Baby Shark and Disney's Little Mermaid to create new cereals and invent new

00:05:01.960 cereals that would hook children of today. And they're using these artificial dyes that they know

00:05:08.560 are linked to hyperactivity in children. Because back in 2010, when the Southampton study came out

00:05:16.120 in Europe, Europe started requiring a warning label on any product that used an artificial food dye that

00:05:22.380 says it may cause adverse effects on activity and attention in children. And because Kellogg's didn't

00:05:28.740 want to put that warning label on their product, they reformulated. So they know there is harm with

00:05:35.780 their product. They are liable for this harm. And I'm asking them to remove artificial food dyes

00:05:41.900 right now in a petition that has over 150,000 signatures on my website. And we're going to be

00:05:48.420 delivering those petitions to their headquarters on October 15th. I'm inviting both presidential

00:05:55.000 candidates along with several different food activists and the general public to join me.

00:06:00.340 And I believe this is going to be one of the most massive grassroots campaign to hold American

00:06:06.380 companies accountable once and for all using one of the most iconic American brands, Kellogg's.

00:06:13.100 So I want people to support this. I tweeted it out. But for the listening audience,

00:06:16.680 is it just foodbabe.com? Remind me of where they can go because we do need people to sign this petition. 0.85

00:06:21.720 Sure. You can just go to foodbabe.com slash baby shark.

00:06:24.860 Okay. So we have to put the pressure on them or they will not listen. I heard, I think it was

00:06:32.180 Callie Means or somebody at the hearing last Monday saying, if just, you know, some significant

00:06:37.720 portion of the audience watching this would say to Kellogg's, we're no longer buying your cereal

00:06:43.280 until you do this. It would happen overnight. We are in charge. Moms in particular are in charge of 1.00

00:06:50.080 Kellogg's, whether they know it or not. So sign this petition and tell them we're not effing around

00:06:55.700 anymore. Get this shit out of what you're putting on the shelves that our kids see as we go by. 0.99

00:07:02.180 And can I just, before, before we leave this topic, I know there are a lot of people, especially my 1.00

00:07:06.940 audience will say big brother, like we don't, we don't need, and I know California just passed a law

00:07:11.580 trying to remove some of these food dyes from the school lunches. And I thought that was great.

00:07:15.880 And I saw you tweet about it. So it's a Democrat and a nanny state doing more nanny state stuff.

00:07:20.080 And a lot of people on the right, which is largely my audience, not all, but largely,

00:07:25.060 they don't like nanny state. You know, they didn't like what Mayor Bloomberg cut down on the big gulp

00:07:30.300 in New York City. It's like, we know it's bad for you, but if you want to live your life like that,

00:07:34.220 too bad. I see this as different, Bonnie. You explain.

00:07:37.140 That was actually the food companies lobbying behind the scenes to look for reasons they could try to get

00:07:43.580 those different actions not passed, by the way. So it wasn't exactly, I think, like a conservative

00:07:51.000 ideal. You know, I just don't think so. I think a lot of lobbying behind the scenes and a lot of

00:07:56.240 front groups behind the scenes was doing that work. But let me just tell you this. This is not the nanny

00:08:01.560 state. This isn't asking for more regulations. This is, you're already doing this across the pond.

00:08:08.040 Do it for us. Why are you poisoning American children and giving other countries' children 1.00

00:08:14.720 better, safer ingredients? This is a rigged system. This is not about creating more regulations. This

00:08:21.240 is about doing what's right as an American company. And there's no point of these ingredients,

00:08:28.720 right, Bonnie? It's not like we want them to take the sugar out of Froot Loops. No,

00:08:35.300 you're putting in totally useless dyes to make it more marketing or more marketable or attractive to

00:08:42.800 children, which are unnecessary. Or if you really want them to be colored, you can use vegetables to

00:08:49.420 color the Froot Loops the same as is done in some other products. You know, I have both the Froot

00:08:55.620 Loops right here. Let me just show you. So this is the United States. Actually, this is the,

00:08:59.680 these, this is the United States version. And this is the Canadian version. So let me just show you the

00:09:08.180 differences in these. So this, this is the Canadian color right here. This is the, this is the US color

00:09:17.480 right here. You can see the subtle differences in color and how much brighter the US version is.

00:09:22.380 Well, it looks neon. Yes, it is. And in focus groups, guess which product children ate more of

00:09:29.300 this one. And so not only are they using it to, for a marketing tool, they're contributing to

00:09:37.880 obesity. This is sugar Latin cereal. This isn't the healthiest thing on the market. Someone can eat,

00:09:43.940 even though the CEO of Kellogg's wants you to eat it for dinner in terms of all the inflation that we are

00:09:50.200 experiencing as a country. I mean, this is something that is completely has to change.

00:09:55.600 You know, as Americans, we should say we've had enough. We need to rise up and tell everyone about

00:10:01.600 what's really happening with the American food supply. And again, it's not just Kellogg's, but I

00:10:06.640 think if we use Kellogg's as an example, and they lead by making this change, I think other companies

00:10:13.160 will follow suit. And I think they have a real opportunity here. I don't think they're going to want to have

00:10:18.180 the massive grassroots rally that I'm envisioning at their front doors. So Kellogg's, if you're listening,

00:10:24.260 now is the time to make the change. You're going to have to do it in California schools. Now it's time to do

00:10:29.740 it across the board. Like you said, in 2015, keep your promise. It's time to remove the dyes.

00:10:37.020 And Grace, so I, as I said in the intro, had never, forgive me, heard of you, but I saw you speak and I saw

00:10:43.720 everybody speak. I watched the whole thing at that here. And I was like, who is this young woman?

00:10:48.400 Like who's like at 18, you've already done a food documentary. And it's talking about how the problem

00:10:56.380 with, with what Bonnie is discussing is not just, well, that stuff, that doesn't sound great. You

00:11:02.460 know, maybe we don't want titanium dioxide, which we put in our sunscreen to be in our food. It's,

00:11:08.800 it's killing us. That's, that's the point that really got your attention as a young girl. And

00:11:14.680 you did this whole documentary. I'm going to show the audience just a little bit of this,

00:11:17.880 um, in this piece of the documentary called cancer, a foodborne illness.

00:11:22.400 Grace talks about what Twinkies and Clorox have in common. Sot 34.

00:11:30.840 Did you know that the chemical we use to bleach the flour inside of Twinkies

00:11:35.740 is the exact same chemical utilized to create our most common disinfectant, Clorox. Oh, and by the

00:11:44.120 way, the chemical is chlorine gas. And this is just one out of the 37 total ingredients inside of a

00:11:51.900 Twinkie. This is standard for ultra processed foods. So Grace, I know you lost your grandfather to cancer

00:12:00.020 and that was one of the things that spurred your interest in this, but how did you as must,

00:12:03.680 you must've been at like a 17 year old at this point, get access to the experts to try to start

00:12:09.420 nailing some of this down? Yeah. Well, I always attribute like my whole research journey to the

00:12:16.280 high school that I went to in Austin. It's an alternative based education system where I

00:12:20.700 had time in the mornings to do all my academics within two hours so that I could then open up my

00:12:26.460 entire afternoon for this kind of research. Um, and I mean, while my grandfather did kind of spark

00:12:33.580 the passion for me, what really got me going is the fact that my generation is so clearly being

00:12:42.140 targeted by these big food companies. It's not even funny. And it made me so angry that I just

00:12:48.040 continued down this rabbit hole of research where I was reading these things that it's not that crazy

00:12:52.980 to find. I mean, I'm, I'm no smarter than your other, you know, average teenager. I just know

00:12:57.500 how to use Google. So I was searching up these things, learning like, Oh, great. Twinkies have

00:13:02.040 the same chemical that's in Clorox or, Oh, you know, the same amount of sugar in orange juice is

00:13:07.500 actually equivalent to just drinking a bottle of Coke. It's those kinds of things where you're like,

00:13:11.440 how have I been thinking so differently my whole life? And you realize, well, we've been lied to,

00:13:16.680 you know? And I, I really hate when people tell me like, well, technically it's everyone's choice

00:13:20.580 if they want to eat a donut. It's not, you know, it's just your fault. Like you teenagers, you just

00:13:25.240 have terrible diets and y'all need to own up to it, but it's not your fault when the system is rigged

00:13:32.020 against you. Like if we're playing the game of life, teenagers had a very late start and all these

00:13:38.900 big food companies are just flat out cheating. So there's literally no way for us to go against

00:13:44.300 this without trying to demand some change right now. And I mean, the only other time I've seen this

00:13:49.960 in history is when you look at big tobacco, this, I always say that ultra processed foods are the new

00:13:56.420 cigarette for my generation and people, you know, that really seems to trigger something within them

00:14:01.740 because I think they know it's kind of true. And we now have research showing that the big tobacco

00:14:09.100 industry actually bought big food companies like Kellogg's and General Mills and, or sorry, I think it was

00:14:16.060 General Mills and Kraft. And they used the same kind of tactics that they had deployed, you know,

00:14:22.640 with all of their tobacco industry product development for these foods. And then they just

00:14:28.080 exited in 2001 and impacted literally every other big food company in the way that they develop their

00:14:35.220 foods so that they're highly palatable and addicting. And they targeted kids just like how with cigarettes,

00:14:41.360 they would target kids by putting these signages saying, you know, Oh, go smoke a cig at children's

00:14:46.980 eye level. Now they're just paying off dietitians on Tik TOK to promote cereal. So, I mean, it's the

00:14:53.220 same thing. We're going through the same motions, but people don't want to accept it because that's

00:14:57.700 freaking scary. If it's as deeply entrenched within all this corruption as the whole tobacco scheme was,

00:15:05.580 which I've found that, you know, it's so awful about the, about comparing it to cigarettes is it's like

00:15:10.020 ultra processed foods are your generation's cigarettes. If, if in a world in which cigarettes

00:15:16.420 were given to babies and toddlers and force fed to them in the lunchroom, when they go to school.

00:15:23.320 And then again, at night at the dinner table, and we're almost impossible to get around having,

00:15:29.360 I mean, it's just, and this was one of the points that they were making. I think Callie means

00:15:34.260 raised this at the hearing that, especially if you're lowering income or if you need government

00:15:38.840 assistance on your lunch program, you are getting spoon fed the most disgusting, harmful stuff on

00:15:45.040 earth. The government pays for it and no one gives a damn what's going to happen to you as you balloon 0.74

00:15:49.840 in obesity and with disease. So it is, it is a problem, not just for us grownups, but really for

00:15:55.340 children all, all across the country.

00:15:58.140 Yes, no, it definitely is. And I think your point about us being given these as children, I mean,

00:16:06.880 baby formula itself has these highly reactive, easily oxidized, polyunsaturated fatty acids. Like

00:16:13.420 that's the primary source of fat from seed oils within them. So we're giving these to babies. These

00:16:18.840 fats get stored in our cell membranes. They wreak all sorts of havoc and we're literally not even

00:16:24.700 given a year old. And then we're given the baby food, which is like, it's like the vape of cigarettes

00:16:31.720 for ultra processed food. You know, it's like, we're going to give them a little bit of a toned

00:16:34.840 down version and it's still going to have added sugars, which by the way, like the amount of added

00:16:39.620 sugars that an adolescent should have is zero grams. And there's no getting around that. And they'll say,

00:16:43.940 Oh, it's okay to have a little. No, it's not. It's unacceptable. And the worst part is your brain is

00:16:49.720 only 90% developed once you hit kindergarten. So this entire time period, their brains are barely

00:16:58.000 even developed and they're being given these foods. Just think about, I would love to see research

00:17:03.640 on the way that their entire wiring of their neural networks is changing because these foods are so

00:17:12.260 addicting that, I mean, they are raised by the foods themselves. It's terrifying.

00:17:17.600 The other thing is, and RFKJ was raising this, Bonnie, but it's, and I confess, I didn't know

00:17:23.780 about this. I'm at the beginning of my whole journey on the lane that you ladies have been on

00:17:27.820 is glyphosate and how this product is all over, like everything we eat, any wheat product, any,

00:17:37.540 any pasta. And he was making the point that there's, that's, it's one of the reasons why there's such a

00:17:43.380 difference between the pasta we get at our grocery store and the ones you get when you go to Italy

00:17:48.560 and have in a restaurant there and the way you feel when it's done. But that stuff is over almost

00:17:54.880 everything.

00:17:56.560 It is. And it's, it's pervasive. And unfortunately it's, it's making its way into every single thing

00:18:04.500 we eat. It's in wheat, it's in oats, you're finding it in all of major products like Cheerios.

00:18:10.580 And it's becoming such an issue.

00:18:13.320 It's a pesticide.

00:18:14.640 Yes, correct. So it, it is the main chemical that is coupled with GMO seeds. So Monsanto,

00:18:22.800 who created these patented seeds, corn, soy, canola, sugar beets, all of those seeds are,

00:18:30.560 are able to withstand heavy doses of this chemical glyphosate. And that is really problematic because

00:18:39.780 glyphosate is now been implicated to cause non, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, bladder cancer,

00:18:48.260 autoimmune disorders, leaky gut, fertility issues. There's so many things that can be linked back

00:18:55.960 to the uses of glyphosate in our environment. And it's literally ending up in breast milk and sperm,

00:19:02.260 in our tissues, in our body. And so there's something that's got to be done. You know, back

00:19:07.240 about 10 years ago, we started this huge campaign to label genetically engineered ingredients because

00:19:13.780 of this widespread use of glyphosate. Before, when you looked at a package or a product,

00:19:19.520 you couldn't turn it around and see that it was bioengineered to avoid some of these chemicals.

00:19:23.920 Now you can, but it took a lot of work to get that done. And, you know, during that process,

00:19:30.640 I was actually targeted by Monsanto and the other chemical companies in a widespread disinformation

00:19:37.180 campaign as a food activist. And just on Friday, they released that there was a private social

00:19:43.360 network actually being funded by taxpayer money to prevent and to downplay the risks of pesticides

00:19:51.560 getting out to the public. The former communications director of Monsanto, now Bayer,

00:19:56.840 was in charge of this. And they had profiles on any person that would speak about out about these

00:20:03.140 issues or wanted GMO labeling. You know, I protested in front of the secretary of agriculture under

00:20:09.000 President Obama, Tom Bilsack at the DNC about this issue. And they had a huge profile on me,

00:20:17.000 including my parents' phone number and address, my address, you know, personal information to target

00:20:23.200 me. And this is just coming out. And this just goes to show you how much they want to keep the

00:20:28.640 public in the dark about these chemicals that are being sprayed on our food. And it's across the United

00:20:34.320 States where several other countries, again, in Europe and elsewhere, regulate these chemicals a lot

00:20:40.520 differently. And that's one of the reasons why people always say, when I go to Europe, I feel so good

00:20:45.560 eating their food because it just has a tremendous less amount of chemicals than they do here in the

00:20:52.920 United States on a day to day basis. Yeah, because I can understand, okay, buy organic fruits and

00:20:57.660 vegetables because they spray those for insects. I mean, honestly, it didn't even occur to me that

00:21:01.900 like your pasta may be covered in pesticides because of the way they grow wheat. I mean, I like literally

00:21:08.640 this is a new thought to me. Holy cow. Now it makes more sense. But that's why it's not a nanny state

00:21:14.600 problem. You can't get away from these pesticides and these chemicals and these toxins. I mean, you

00:21:21.560 can, but it's so hard. If everything were in your face, this is what we put in our product. This is

00:21:28.200 what you need to be aware you're consuming. That would be one thing. But that's one of your big

00:21:32.120 things, Vani, is you're like, put some labels on there. Even our beer. I know you've been fighting

00:21:37.060 to get beer companies to tell it. I mean, basically, we're going to have to spend a minute before we

00:21:42.880 wrap this up on what can we eat and drink because there's just hidden dangers in so many foods and

00:21:49.880 drinks. Well, the first thing you need to start with is real food, food that comes from the earth,

00:21:55.480 whole foods, things that you would find at the farmer's market that has been unadulterated by

00:21:59.440 the food industry, not in a plastic package, not in a box. And if you start there and you make the

00:22:04.840 majority of your diet, those types of foods, fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, dairy, meat,

00:22:11.600 beans, you will be tremendously so much healthier. And when I did that, I went off nine prescription

00:22:19.480 drugs and felt better than I've ever felt in my life. For most of my life, I've been walking around

00:22:24.340 like a zombie. I had two surgeries in my early twenties and finally hit rock bottom. And when I

00:22:29.580 switch to real food without added synthetic pesticides, without the preservatives, without

00:22:35.320 the chemicals is when I started to feel so much better and realize a life that I never thought was

00:22:40.780 possible. And this is one of the reasons why I started my company, Truvani, and to change the

00:22:45.920 food industry from the inside out, because I wanted to create products without toxins. I wanted to have

00:22:51.460 labels without lies. I wanted to have real food without added chemicals. And I want every single

00:22:56.320 American food company to move that way as well, because Americans are dying faster than ever.

00:23:03.560 We're the sickest nation, but we have a quote, you know, quote unquote, the best healthcare.

00:23:07.800 We don't, we have sick care and we have to do something different.

00:23:12.420 So you grace talk to among others, um, you talk to Dr. Kate Shanahan, who I love, and she's the one who

00:23:18.760 first told me about seed oils and how to get those out of my life. And it's been hard, but I have to say,

00:23:24.000 like, if you really pay attention, you can do it. You can do it. And you talked to Dr. Thomas,

00:23:28.840 uh, Seyfried, is that how you pronounce it? Uh, of Boston, Boston college. And he, he talked to you

00:23:35.760 about this, you know, the issue of cancer. And you have a bunch of sound bites in the, in the

00:23:41.040 documentary you did with people saying that's probably genetic, right? Like most cancers are

00:23:45.060 probably genetic. And, um, you spoke with this doctor who kind of put that on its head.

00:23:49.380 Yeah. I mean, it all comes back to this ideological dogma that we have begun to believe, um, which is

00:23:58.140 that all of these chronic diseases are genetic and random and out of our control. And really the

00:24:04.560 reason why this is the prevalent belief right now is not because it's the most supported by

00:24:11.080 evidence. It's actually hindered our ability to find the so-called cure for these diseases. Like

00:24:16.100 when's that going to happen? Who knows? And it actually is sending a message that your health

00:24:21.620 is out of your control, but you know, it's in your doctor's hands and guess who the doctor is going to

00:24:27.660 give that control over to big pharma and all of the pharmaceutical kind of companies that are going to

00:24:32.700 then give you their drops. And so that's what I realized was actually happening because I came into

00:24:38.120 the whole research journey, believing that cancer is a genetic disease. I was like, well,

00:24:43.160 well, that sucks that I guess I can't do much for it, but maybe, maybe there is like something more

00:24:48.720 to it. And the deeper I dug, the more I realized as I was learning from incredible people like Dr.

00:24:55.300 Thomas Seyfried and Dr. Kate Shanahan, who have been shunned by the scientific community as pseudoscience,

00:25:01.200 just because they're pursuing a different theory, which is that it's not genetically based and that it

00:25:06.880 actually could have origin from mitochondrial dysfunction, which would be impacted by our lifestyle.

00:25:13.160 factors. So again, it goes back to it's in your control. And that's when I was like, whoa,

00:25:17.860 there is so much more to this. We have this really strongly held belief in something that isn't really

00:25:25.920 that supported by research. And so I felt it was extremely important that I was able to highlight

00:25:32.680 Dr. Thomas Seyfried's work because he is showing how we can actually reverse stage four

00:25:39.380 glioblastoma, which is super intense and gruesome. And most of the time you end up dying from that

00:25:46.520 with the ketogenic diet paired with surgery. That's crazy. Instead of also having to do standard

00:25:53.280 therapy, chemotherapy, you know, and also radiation, which is just being completely brutalized.

00:26:00.160 And we just accept it as that's the way it is because no one's actually asking questions,

00:26:04.540 nor do they feel responsible for their health. So that's kind of what I bring it back to every time.

00:26:09.540 You know, it's funny because it reminds me, we've had a doctor on the show a couple of times

00:26:12.780 named Dr. Dale Bredesen, and he's been jumping up and down about this when it comes to dementia and

00:26:19.440 Alzheimer's saying that there, there is a cure, like, stop, stop telling people that they're just

00:26:25.400 going to have to get this. If they have the bad genes or if they have it in their family,

00:26:29.520 that you can eat differently. He's a big fan of keto. Um, you can sleep differently. You can

00:26:35.260 detoxify your home, your world, but you just have to educate yourself and nothing's a guarantee,

00:26:40.740 but that we don't have to just wait until we have dementia symptoms. Then be like, ah, well,

00:26:45.600 hope they invent a cure. We can start the cure right now. Um, can I ask you before I go back to

00:26:52.520 about Halloween grace, because you're, you're still young, you're still 18. And most, a lot of us are

00:26:57.720 parents and we're like, that's like, this is like your hell. You guys must, you guys must be like,

00:27:03.680 oh my God, what are we doing? I call it the, I call it the holiday death aisle. When I go down

00:27:09.360 the grocery store and you see Halloween candy, it's the holiday death aisle. And they, they repeat it.

00:27:13.140 It's Halloween, then it's Christmas, then it's Easter, then it's Valentine's Day. It's the whole

00:27:17.380 thing. It's the holiday death aisle. So how, what, I mean, since you're closer to our children's

00:27:24.040 ages, Grace, how exactly would you suggest we navigate that when it comes to our children?

00:27:30.540 Yeah, that's, I'm going to steal that line from you, Bonnie. That's great. I mean,

00:27:34.300 you know, I would say that you've got to start by giving them something real because kids,

00:27:42.780 if they've been fed all of these crappy ultra-possed foods their whole life, they don't actually

00:27:48.480 really desire anything real because that's what they think food is. And so, I mean, I'm a little

00:27:54.740 old to go trick-or-treating now, but I do take my nieces with me and they know, I mean, I'm that

00:28:00.980 annoying aunt where I'm like, so Tate, tell me what's in that Kit Kat. And she's like, well, I mean,

00:28:08.100 I don't know. I'm like, why don't we try to figure it out? Like, and then I'll, I'll do things where I'll

00:28:12.900 like pick up a rock. I'm like, what do you think this is made of? Like, would you eat this? Do you want to

00:28:17.460 just put things in your mouth that you don't actually understand what is within that? And so

00:28:22.320 then it's really just getting people to think like, you just got to be like, Hey, let's wake up guys.

00:28:27.120 I mean, I'm, I'm in a college dorm now and I'm trying to convince all of my dorm mates to stop

00:28:31.800 eating Kraft mac and cheese. It kills me guys. They pour out the cheese concentrate. I'm like,

00:28:37.500 what the heck is cheese concentrate? Does anyone truly know? No, they have no clue. And so it's,

00:28:43.840 I mean, I don't care. I'm already labeled the health food girl and people know that, but you

00:28:49.000 know, I, I already kind of changed the snack landscape of our food and I'm just going to

00:28:53.060 keep trying to make small level change like that, especially within school cafeterias. That is a

00:28:59.560 really big focus of mine. I think as parents, we can, we can basically just say, do your trick or

00:29:05.780 cheating, understand, enjoy that night. And the bag magically disappears a day or two later. What do you

00:29:12.000 think, Bonnie? So no, no, here's what we do at my house. So I have a three-year-old and I have a

00:29:15.960 seven-year-old. And so we have the switch, which that comes and she's been coming since my daughter

00:29:21.480 started trick or treating. So it's been five years or so. So it's part of the tradition. And because

00:29:27.180 she's, you know, the daughter of the food babe, she knows about all this stuff. So she, she knows

00:29:31.340 about chemicals and food and ingredients. And we always swap out a lot of the toxic versions for the

00:29:39.500 healthier, uh, less, um, you know, ingredient intensive version. So there's some great brands

00:29:44.860 out there. Yeah. So unreal. Yeah. Unreal is a great brand. I love the coconut on reels. Yes. And

00:29:52.080 they make a, uh, uh, like a, a lookalike for Snickers, which I love, you know, and then they

00:29:57.400 have M and M's, uh, that are unreal. They have peanut butter cups that are unreal, like Justin's

00:30:02.020 peanut butter cups. I love yum earth. They'll make lollipops and little like gummies and jelly

00:30:07.800 beans and things like that. So there's so many different options. And I actually have

00:30:11.840 a lot of those swaps on my website and on my Instagram page. And I'll be posting those

00:30:16.260 as now it's we're entering October, but the switch, which will come right after Halloween

00:30:21.920 ends and they put in all the bad candy and the switch, which broom goes faster. If it's

00:30:28.120 even worse, like the worst of the worst candy in there. So they know we go through and we

00:30:32.240 talk about the ingredients. We put it back in their basket. We leave it by the door. And

00:30:36.180 in the morning, when they wake up the night after Halloween, the switch, which brings a

00:30:40.940 toy, a toy, a coloring book, something fun. It's like Christmas for them.

00:30:45.060 Now I got news for you as now the mother of a 15 year old, 13 year old and 11, it gets

00:30:49.880 harder, right? Because they're like, you know, maybe it's a gift card. I don't care. It's

00:30:54.040 delicious. Right. And like, but how about that? Because as I listened to all of this, I

00:31:00.340 think these are all great changes to start making in our lives. And we can do a lot of this

00:31:04.820 and we can really change the way we eat. But my own feeling is, but we can still have

00:31:09.200 Halloween and we can have, we can have chocolate birthday cake. Like we can do some things here

00:31:13.300 or there that are, you know, that aren't going to completely wreck it. Am I wrong on that,

00:31:18.840 Bonnie? No, I don't think you should poison the neighborhood children, at least at your

00:31:22.500 house. I think you should choose some artificial free dye. My home is going to be egged. 0.94

00:31:29.820 No, it's not. There are really yummy things out there. You can go to, to Sprouts, you can go to

00:31:35.180 Whole Foods, you can go to Trader Joe's and find any of this stuff there. Even Costco has it now. I

00:31:39.900 mean, those unreal, you know, little coconut bars that you like, they have huge boxes of those at

00:31:43.960 Costco that you could give out at Halloween. So I don't think, I don't, I think you're going to be

00:31:48.340 surprised. I think kids are going to really like it. I love lesser evil has a little bag of popcorn,

00:31:53.440 you know, made with coconut oil, three ingredients, really delicious. I mean, and then giving out

00:31:58.460 like little waters and things like that, when kids are running around the neighborhood,

00:32:01.500 they appreciate that kind of stuff. So there's always a different thing that you could, you

00:32:05.800 know, vote with your dollars at your own house. Now, if you decide to let go and eat, you know,

00:32:11.240 whatever the butterfinger, you know, that's, that's on you, Megan, but you know, it's definitely

00:32:16.460 I'm going to eat a butterfinger here or there. I can't go full hog. What's the point of living? I

00:32:20.080 like a little, little badness, but maybe in a year after I'm on this same journey where I don't have

00:32:24.860 any of the hateful eight inside of me, I will feel about it the way you guys do, where it's like,

00:32:28.940 I would never let that touch my lips right now. I'm still like, I'm an abuser, you know, I'm a user

00:32:34.320 still. I definitely will steal some of that candy. There is an alternative for almost every single

00:32:40.160 person's like, you know, craving, I believe, because I tell you the food, babe lifestyle and

00:32:45.760 grace, I know you too, because I've, I've had dinner with you, but we don't, we don't have a life of,

00:32:51.480 um, of deprivation. We're eating real food. We're having things made with real ingredients. We're

00:32:57.400 eating ice cream. We're having pie, you know, we're having cake, but we're just eating it with

00:33:01.220 real ingredients. And that's what we need to get back to is we need to eliminate the chemicals from

00:33:07.100 our diet and go back to real foods because real things taste amazing. I mean, I think about my

00:33:12.540 Truvani bar that I created called the only bar. We're using ingredients that you would find in your

00:33:16.640 own kitchen. We're sweetened with maple syrup, something you would find in your own, you know,

00:33:20.420 refrigerator. And that's what we need to get back to. Here's what you need to do.

00:33:24.280 There's what you need to do. You need to connect with like a billionaire, like Nicole Shanahan.

00:33:29.580 She's RFKJ's running me. And you guys need to come up with a grocery store chain that actually 1.00

00:33:36.760 is whole foods. Unlike the one that goes by that name. Now you can call it real foods or something.

00:33:43.440 And the only thing that's in there has been blessed by the food, babe, by you grace, by like people who

00:33:50.260 are at that hearing who actually care about what's being sold. Like it would just make life so much

00:33:56.200 easier for the rest of us. If we knew someone who's educated on this stuff had done the pre-screen and

00:34:01.400 then we could just go shop there. Will you please do that? Please. I will invest in it.

00:34:05.940 I've been asked that so many times. But again, yeah, it's a, yeah, maybe, maybe in the future,

00:34:10.940 and we'll see. Oh, that's fine. Grace, what about you? You've got your whole life ahead of you. This

00:34:15.800 would be a great way for you to make money and you can study it in college. And I bet you, I could get

00:34:21.060 you all sorts of investors to get behind you. I love it. I'll add it as a side project, you know,

00:34:26.140 no big deal. You're probably actually capable of doing that. You guys, thank you both so much. I love

00:34:33.140 the information and I really appreciate you putting so much effort into this so the rest of us

00:34:37.040 can be the beneficiaries of your good work. And don't forget, go to foodbabe.com, right?

00:34:41.800 Bonnie, foodbabe.com to sign that petition. And let's remind Kellogg's who's in charge. All the 0.71

00:34:49.100 best to you both. Thank you. Thank you, Megan. Okay. So don't forget foodbabe.com. Go ahead and

00:34:55.180 do it. Just put your name on there. Screw you, Kellogg's for poisoning our children. That's my opinion.

00:35:00.500 The Maha movement is growing, right? I mean, this, this is all part of make America healthy. Again,

00:35:06.120 we've talked into Cole Shanahan. We of course talked to RFKJ many times. We've spoken with

00:35:10.700 these two amazing women. We watched that hearing, brought you some highlights. Please, please, 1.00

00:35:15.600 please like stay informed on this stuff. No matter what happens in this presidential election,

00:35:21.060 this is real. Casey means we're going to get Callie on. This, this stuff is important. It's

00:35:25.900 important for your wellness, for your children's wellness, for you having a long and prosperous life.

00:35:31.280 And it is going to require some work of us all, but I feel like if we do it together over the next year,

00:35:35.800 a year from now, we're all going to feel better and be living better and better longer, which is

00:35:42.120 great. Okay. Let me know what you think. Email me, Megan, M-E-G-Y-N at MeganKelley.com. See you next time.

00:35:52.860 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

00:36:05.800 Thanks for listening.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 06, 2024

Deep Dive： How Big Food Companies Target Americans and Young People with Unhealthy Products, with Vani Hari and Grace Price ｜ Ep. 908

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