Deep Dive： The Truth About Minnesota's ＂Trans Refuge＂ Bill That Gov. Tim Walz Pushed Through ｜ Ep. 894
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On today's episode of The Megyn Kelly Show, host Meghan Kelly takes a deep dive into a controversial Minnesota law that could affect the lives of transgender Minnesotans. She's joined by attorney Bobbi Roby, who was almost in court to testify about this law, and Matt Sharp, a senior counsel with the Senior Counsel Alliance Defending Freedom, to talk about it.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's deep dive special
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episode that you're going to want to hear. Today, we are taking a very specific look at one very
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specific Minnesota law, thanks to governor and now VP candidate Tim Walls, that the corporate
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media continues to get totally wrong and continues to tell you doesn't exist or do all the things
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that I have been telling you it does. I'm going to give you an example, okay? I've been talking
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about it on this show. And then recently I went on the road with Tucker Carlson and explained
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to him what will happen as a result of this Minnesota so-called trans refuge law.
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And many people can't believe their ears. It's so radical. And they think I must have my facts
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wrong. I must be spinning this. Well, I don't. And I'm not. Before I went out and spoke about this
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publicly, I did my homework. As you know, I'm a lawyer and I consulted with many experts both
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inside and outside of Minnesota on whether this law did what my own lying eyes told me that it did.
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But they weren't lying. They were right. And I'll just give you a flavor for the discussion with
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Tucker. You can see the whole thing online. But here's what I said. I come here and someone's like,
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are you going to ask her about Taylor Swift? I've got thoughts. Screw you, Taylor Swift.
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She turns around. Not only does she pick a side in a hotly contested presidential election,
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alienating at least half of her fan base. But she says the reason she's voting for Kamala Harris
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is because of Tim Walz's LGBTQ stance. Do you know what Tim Walz has done on the LGBTQ front?
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Tim Walz... Let me tell you what's going to happen. Okay? Here's what's going to happen.
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A little girl sitting in Wisconsin, who's maybe on the spectrum, maybe has acne, maybe is a little
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heavyset, maybe feels upset because her parents are getting divorced, something like that,
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is going to find herself down a rabbit hole on Reddit. And her parents aren't going to know
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because they're getting a divorce and they're not focused on her right now. And she's going to
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spend hour after hour on that thing. And Reddit's going to tell her she's actually a boy.
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And she's going to get sucked into this gender cult. And she's going to say, mom and dad,
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I want puberty blockers into cross-sex hormones, which will sterilize her and deprive her of all
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sexual pleasure for the rest of her life. And they're going to say, no, you're a girl. And
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she's going to say, but I want top surgery, this benign thing, this double mastectomy where I'll
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have tubes coming out of me and I'll never breastfeed a child. I want that too, because I'm a boy.
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And they're going to say, no. And she's going to go to a judge in Minnesota. And because of Tim
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Walls, the court will take custody of her, use the Medicaid funds in Minnesota to provide her
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all of those things, chop off her breasts, sterilize her with the puberty blockers into
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the cross-sex hormones. And when this girl inevitably comes to the conclusion that she didn't want any of
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this, that it only added to her problems, which were the divorce and the acne and the puberty and not
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any trans issue, who is she going to go to then? This is all because of Tim Walls. That's what
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Minnesota is doing right now to little girls and boys, taking custody away from the parents so that
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they can have these procedures without any loving parent there to help. And that's what Taylor Swift
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just endorsed for your children. So screw you, Taylor Swift.
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So that is my interpretation of the law. And now I've brought on two legal experts on this law
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to talk about it. We are joined now by Bob Roby. He's a Minnesota attorney, a family law attorney
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who was almost going to testify about this law, but we'll get into what happened. And Matt Sharp,
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who's senior counsel with Alliance Defending Freedom, which has been speaking out about it
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Guys, thank you both so much for being here. Great to have you.
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Thanks for having me. Thanks. Okay. So Bob, you are one of the many experts I spoke with before
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I went out there and commented at all on this thing months ago. And you tell me whether I have
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overstated the draconian nature of this law. No, the scenario you set up is absolutely spot on as far
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as what this law does. There's no question about it. When a bill uses terms like emergency custody
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and describes what would warrant a court taking emergency custody in a case, you got to pay
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attention. I mean, it defines gender affirming care, which the bill puts in the category of neglect or
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abuse warranting emergency custody by a judge. And it defines gender affirming care, which is a total
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euphemism. I mean, you know, gender, what's caring? You know, that's gender, you're denying care. That's
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what the Minnesota narrative has been crafted into this bill. And it's defining it to include the very
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things you talked about, you know, any kind of hormone blockers, any kind of, you know, and it's
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the classic scenario. This has happened. This is not just a theory. I mean, you know, Washington
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Examiner reported on this thing with Abigail Martinez's daughter, who was put on testosterone
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hormones and ended up throwing herself in front of a train and they had to pick up her pieces. And this
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is, this has happened. This is a nightmare for people in Minnesota and, uh, and anyone, uh, you
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know, who's, whose kid might end up there. Matt, what's your take? Yeah, I agree. And in fact, I take
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it one step further, Megan, not only would this apply if a girl was in Minnesota, but let's say you
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have a young lady living in Ohio and she has a woke aunt that says, you know what? I think you would
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benefit from puberty blockers and hormones. Let's take you to Minnesota. So she can now transport this
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minor to Minnesota and use this law to get custody of the girl and then start making decisions saying,
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I'm going to put you on the blockers. I'm going to put you on the hormones. I'm going to get you
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these surgeries, undermining that girl's parental rights back home in Ohio. So not only is this a
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front to kids in Minnesota and harming them, but across the country, parents now have to worry about
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someone taking their child to Minnesota and stripping away their custody and their ability to
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protect kids from these dangerous drugs and surgeries. So God forbid, Bob, this happened to
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me. Now I live in Connecticut. Um, and suddenly my kids were a child of mine were in Minnesota
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and somebody, cause it doesn't even have to be a relative that gets, it could be like planned
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parenthood that files the petition and says, we want to get this kid here in Minnesota. So now my
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husband and I remain in Connecticut. We are outraged. Where's our child? Who the hell filed a petition to get
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them into the jurisdiction of a court in Minnesota? And they're in Minnesota physically right now.
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And God, God knows what's going to happen. We would normally go to a court in Connecticut where
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we live, where let's presume in this hypothetical, thank God scenario, there's a psychiatrist who sees
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the child and there's a, you know, I don't know, a teacher and, and everybody who's looking after the
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child's mental health along with my husband and me. And we would say to a Connecticut court,
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go give us our child back. Like please issue a subpoena that we can run into Minnesota with
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saying, give us our child back. And that's how it would work in virtually all circumstances.
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If somebody were to like, take your kid across straight state lines and try to keep him or her
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from you. But Bob, you tell me what would happen if we went to Minnesota with that subpoena from
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Connecticut, thanks to this law? Well, and in Minnesota, in dealing with, with, uh, abuse
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situations, and that's, that's how this has been categorized by the bill in dealing with abuse
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situations. It's it, you can imagine it's warranted for the court in the place where the child is,
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is found to be. If the child's immediate safety is at risk, then the court takes on jurisdiction to,
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uh, for the safety of the child. So by putting this scenario into the category of, of cases that
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warrant exclusive and emergency jurisdiction, they are, they are cutting out the Connecticut court,
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uh, saying where we have the kid here, the kid's at risk, uh, of harm, immediate harm,
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warranting our jurisdiction. So you don't have any, that's exactly what this bill does.
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Because they consider abusive not to give the kid this so-called gender affirming care.
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Right. Exactly. That's what they've categorized. And to say that it's only for outstate kids is an,
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as a bald face deception. I mean, if this is what warrants abuse in Minnesota, how does a,
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how do all parents in Minnesota think that this is not going to be used to measure their own family's
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situation in state? I mean, you can't, you can't say this is abuse for kids outside the state,
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but we're not going to protect because that's the language. Now we're not going to protect kids in
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the state. We're not going to apply this. No, you, you, you, you have an equal protection problem
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immediately. So you say you're protecting kids. You can't apply it to kids who are from other states
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and not your own kids. So, I mean, it's, it's a bald faced lie to say, this isn't going to be
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applied to, to Minnesota kids. It's a, it's a standard that they've established now for neglect
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or abuse, warranting emergency jurisdiction. And this is the scariest scenario. I mean, we've got,
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you know, this has happened already in other States and walls. I mean, South Dakota outlawed these,
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these measures, these kinds of treatments, uh, along with the whole country of Sweden,
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who is way ahead of us on this. They did a full study, follow-up study of, of patients who went
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through trans surgery and treatments and found that there's their suicide rate was 19 times higher,
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19 times, not percent, 19 times higher than the average. And they banned all these things because
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they didn't want to hurt children. I don't know why, why governor walls, uh, what he has against
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children, but it's a, it's pretty apparent. Yeah. And let's just look at the language of the statute,
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Matt. Um, it was, uh, it's HR one 46 and it's, it reads as follows in part temporary emergency
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jurisdiction. A court of this state has temporary emergency jurisdiction. If the child is present in this
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state and sub three, the child has been unable to obtain gender affirming healthcare as defined in
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section 543.23 paragraph B. What does that 543.23 paragraph B says? What does it say about gender
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affirming healthcare? Gender affirming healthcare means quoting from the statute, medically necessary
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healthcare or mental healthcare that respects the gender identity of the patient as experienced
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and defined by the patient. And that may include, but is not limited to one interventions to suppress
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the development of endogenous secondary sex characteristics, meaning puberty blockers to
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interventions to align the patient's appearance or physical body with the patient's gender identity.
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Three interventions to alleviate the patient's symptoms of clinically significant distress resulting
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from gender dysphoria. And it goes on from there that covers all of it. Puberty blockers, cross-sex
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hormones, surgeries, period. Yeah, it's, it's absolutely terrifying. So you, you play out the
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scenario. Imagine you've got a mom and dad and like you described a young girl that she's maybe on the
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spectrum. She's dealing with confusion, anxiety, depression, other things. And the parents say,
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let's put a pause, let's, let's wait and see, and let's try and treat the other things first. What,
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as Bob was saying, so many European countries are doing, so many U S states are doing is prioritizing
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good mental healthcare over this medicalization. But under this law, Minnesota courts now have the
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authority to use that emergency jurisdiction language you cited and saying, because mom and dad,
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you will not give these girls puberty blockers, hormones, these dangerous, potentially sterilizing
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surgeries. We're going to take jurisdiction and we're going to start deciding this is medically
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necessary and immediately putting her on these drugs and now allowing her to access these surgeries
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and everything else that comes with this. And as Bob said, this is not a hypothetical. We've actually
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had a case just across the state line from Minnesota and Wisconsin, where a school district there was
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socially transitioning a girl, pushing this teenage girl that was dealing with depression and anxiety
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during all the COVID crisis and pushing this girl towards embracing a male identity, hiding it from
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the parents, refusing the parents when they then tried to intervene and protect their daughter.
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So this law takes what's happening in Wisconsin and other States like it and magnifies it so that now
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the judges can order these kids to be put on these drugs and surgeries. And the parents back home have
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no recourse. They can't get a subpoena. They can't do anything to protect their kid under this law.
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And that's ultimately going to do a lot of damage to kids in Minnesota and across
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the country that are going to continue to be damaged by this harmful gender ideology.
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How can it be, Matt, that an unrelated adult can step in and be the person to spearhead this seizure
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of a loving parent couple's child? Like, I mean, I don't agree with it, but I can at least
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picture the nosy aunt interfering. But how can a Minnesota court say some stranger,
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let's say with the human rights campaign or some GLAAD affiliated organization can step in after
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receiving a complaint from a child they do not know and effectively rest custody away from the
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parents without showing that they're abusive in any way other than they won't affirm this identity
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Yeah, this is a direct attack on parental rights. There's no doubt about it. We have always respected
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the role of parents of good mom and dads to make decisions about their kids, to guide and whether
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it's their health care, their mental health, their education, whatever it is. And this Minnesota law
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says you don't even have to be a parent, just a adult acting in the role of as a parent. That could be
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anyone, like you said. It could be Planned Parenthood. It could be a profit-motivated gender clinic
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that says, child, come to Minnesota. We can get emergency jurisdiction and make sure that we're
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going to get you these drugs and these surgeries and do irreversible damage and we'll take care of
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pushing your parents out of the picture, stripping away their custody, stripping away their ability
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to do it. So now you have this system that, like you said, an unrelated adult, someone at a gender
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clinic, someone at Planned Parenthood can misuse this law to insert themselves in the role of parent
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and strip away the ability of parents to safeguard their kids from this harmful gender ideology.
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As I read the law, Bob, in Minnesota, Medicaid does have to cover these types of procedures
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for youth and others. And so it's also something that the taxpayers could potentially have to pay for
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if the child doesn't have the funds or if Planned Parenthood doesn't want to do it gratis because they
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do do some of this, at least the medicine, doling out. Yeah. Well, that's part of the whole picture.
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When you take this scenario and plop it in the middle of a neglected or abused child's situation,
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you can certainly imagine if some kid was being trafficked and their parents are nowhere to be found
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and some, you know, good Samaritan tries to bring the kid in and get help, that that scenario you could
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see, well, we shouldn't have to have the parents to help this kid, you know, you know, and meet the
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child's basic needs and keep the child safe. But when you take, this is unprecedented that to say that
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define this type of situation as abuse or neglect, it's putting all of the mechanisms around it
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that are normally only warranted where a child's at risk of harm. South Dakota would say,
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you're the one, you are the abuser state of Minnesota by doing, you know, they've outlawed
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these things. So, I mean, it's, it's putting, it's putting Minnesota at a, at a, a very hostile
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position with other states. What happened, Bob? Cause you, I, this came down,
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this was passed narrowly on a party line vote and then signed into law over, you know, a very
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sharply divided, even in Minnesota, which is a blue state, um, by governor Tim Walz. But so you were
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going to testify, you're a lifelong family attorney. And from what I understand, not some died in the
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wool conservative, um, you were going to testify against this law. Tell us what happened.
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Yeah. I mean, I, I do a lot of neutral work in this area, uh, and I've been doing juvenile court
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cases, adoption, contested adoptions. Um, you know, this is not, this is not a party issue.
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Uh, but I, I came down when I, I mean, I was some, some people alerted me to this and they said,
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they're going to try to pass this legislation. Would you come down and just talk about what you
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know? And, you know, I'd looked into the Swedish study that was done. I'd looked into the, the
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background, the homework, the facts, and just, just was just the policy behind this was insane. I was
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like, I'm going to go down there and talk to these, uh, the judiciary committee, uh, about, you know,
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what are the facts behind, behind this whole issue? You guys need to have that on the table.
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And I went down and, and, um, you know, I sat there and, you know, uh, they, the committee,
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which was controlled by Democrats refused to allow anyone to testify, including me,
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uh, that were, you know, from the general public, they had the author of the bill and a doctor who
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was in a position to, to benefit from this bill were the only ones allowed to speak in the committee.
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And, uh, I, I made the trip down to St. Paul for nothing apparently that day. It was, um,
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but that's the kind of controlled. Now, if this issue got before a judge, um, the judge certainly
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wouldn't say, well, I'm only going to hear from people on one side. And so what's happening down
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at the St. Paul legislature in Minnesota is that, that any kind of notion of due process or full
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review of issues is being shut down. And that ought to, that, that ought to concern everyone
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in Minnesota. We, we, we don't have a good process for, for discussing these, these issues
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at the Capitol. And this is what the result is.
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Even when it comes to children and their wellbeing. And Governor Walz is just fine with that. He signed
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right off on it. Let's just spend a minute on the person who sponsored the bill, Representative
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Lee Finke, who is a democratic farmer labor party. That's how, uh, Lee is described 42 years old.
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Lee is the first openly transgender member of the Minnesota legislature. Lee is quite clearly a man
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posing as a woman and Lee is, and there you can see governor Walz right behind Lee. Lee is responsible
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for a lot of the radical legislation that's getting pushed through in Minnesota. This one in particular,
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Bob, um, I don't know whether Lee has any biological children of his own, but Lee has effectively managed
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to endanger everyone else's thanks to pushing this through. Yep. Yeah, that's true. I don't know much
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about Lee personally, other than what you just went through, but, um, why, why this person is being
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given so much power by the administration is, is mind boggling. Um, right. Influence there is just,
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I mean, what's going on? I, people in Minnesota ought to be just freaking out over this and it takes a lot
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to get Minnesotans freaked out because they're pretty passive aggressive as many know, but,
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but this, if this doesn't wake them up, I don't know what would I, I'm not know, Bob,
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do you think they don't know? You know, do you think they believe? Because right now I said this
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a couple of months ago on my show and all these people tried to fact check me saying this not true.
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It's not true. It's not true. So then they believe it's not true, but it's true. It is true.
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And governor Walz, go ahead and sue me. If it's not true, sue me, sue me for defamation,
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for defaming you here openly. Let's have that litigation. It's true. And so he can't,
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but go ahead, Bob, do they not know? And I've, I've been, I was threatened on the Senate floor.
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I mean, not by name, but one of the Senate, one of the senators sponsoring the bill said this
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attorney ought to be reported to the bars. And I said, I said in my mind, please do, please do.
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Let's get that discussion in the news. Something that has to get out in the open because these private,
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you know, empty threats are, are ridiculous. I mean, they know that what I'm saying is true. I
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mean, it's absolutely rock solid. I'm not partisan. I am, I am for, I care about kids. My whole career
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has been around family law and, you know, trying to make things better for kids. And I, I, this is,
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this is about kids' own welfare and their, and their wellbeing. And they've, they've politicized
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this thing. They're crazy. Yeah. Well, I think to that point, a lot of parents are shocked when
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they hear about this. It's one of the things we hear all the time when parents call us and we've
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had a case in Michigan and Colorado and other places where these schools are transitioning kids
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and they're hiding it from parents. And these parents call us and they're shocked because in
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their mind, they're thinking, surely the government's not going to take away my kid.
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They're not going to interfere. They're going to let me know if my child is struggling with gender
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confusion. In fact, when, when you talk to parents left, right, whatever they are on the political
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aisle, they agree that they ought to be the first call when this is happening. So I think there is
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a sense of, of parents like disbelief that Minnesota would do something like this, that they would
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actually say, you're an unfit parent. We're going to strip away custody of you. If you don't
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immediately put your kids on these dangerous puberty blockers and hormones. So I think conversations
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like this, where we let parents know this is happening, no matter where you are in the country,
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this isn't just a California or a Massachusetts issue. It's happening in Minnesota. It's happening
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all over the country where these policies and these laws are being pushed that undermine parental
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rights, that push kids down these one-way streets towards gender identity. And what the message parents
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need to know is be on the lookout. Don't assume that, you know, your school that you love has your
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best interest because quite often we're seeing they're adopting policies and they're pushing this stuff
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on kids and sometimes even intentionally hiding it from parents. For example, I mentioned the
00:25:18.120
Michigan case. The family there, this had been happening for months that the school was changing
00:25:23.620
their records, changing documents before they sent them home to the mom and dad to erase the fact that
00:25:28.980
the school was treating the daughter as a young boy. And it wasn't until a slip-up happened and a
00:25:34.560
document came home and the teacher forgot to catch it and make the correction that the parents found out
00:25:38.980
that this had been happening for months. This is the type of deception that's happening. It's the type of
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actions by the government that are undermining parental rights. And what we're seeing in
00:25:47.420
Minnesota is it being taken to a whole new level. We're now the full force of state law and power
00:25:52.400
to judges to take away parental rights is being pushed there. And it ought to be a real wake-up call
00:25:57.140
for families across the state and across the country. Once you allow social transition, which these
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schools are doing in so many states without the parents' knowledge or consent, that child almost
00:26:08.340
always pursues the rest because it's very difficult to reverse once you've come out and said, oh, I'm a
00:26:14.200
different gender and I'm dressing like that different gender and acting and changing my name. It's very
00:26:18.740
hard for these kids to then say, I made a mistake and go back on it. Before you know it, these so-called
00:26:23.860
harmless puberty blockers are given, which cause all sorts of potential health risks to the brain, to the
00:26:30.400
body, to the bones, and then straight into cross-sex hormones. And sure enough, your odds of becoming
00:26:37.160
completely sterile are through the roof and your odds of ever having sexual pleasure, as I said in
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that clip, are, I mean, all but predetermined. And I received this information in the first instance
00:26:49.420
from trans activists who are on tape being honest about this and talking about the risk before people
00:26:55.940
they don't think will criticize them. But it's verified. I mean, it's not even a controversial thing
00:26:59.880
to say. They will admit that on the other side. And so, Matt, they take these kids who are having
00:27:05.260
the normal growing pains that we all went through and they fast track them into these radical drugs
00:27:13.200
and then surgeries all outside the care of their parents. That's what Wall's blessed, which is why
00:27:22.320
I was angry in that particular clip at Taylor Swift. It's not her fault, but I actually think Taylor Swift
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probably had no idea that she just blessed this regime the three of us have just discussed.
00:27:34.060
Yeah. You know, I would encourage her, sit down with the detransitioners. Sit down with people like
00:27:38.840
Chloe Cole or Presha Mosley that went through this, that had the doctors pushing them to take the
00:27:44.360
hormones, that had the doctors pushing them to have their breasts removed, and sit down and hear their
00:27:49.360
stories where they said, I just wish someone had said, wait a second, it's okay that you don't feel
00:27:53.420
comfortable in your body. But that doesn't mean you need to take these hormones. That doesn't mean
00:27:58.060
you need to undergo these surgeries. Because when you hear those stories and you see how these kids
00:28:02.080
were manipulated and pushed towards this, you would stand out and speak out against any law like what
00:28:07.720
passed in Minnesota. You would say, we don't want to judge stepping in, taking custard away from parents
00:28:13.240
and putting a child on these irreversible surgeries and drugs that can do lifelong damage to them.
00:28:18.860
Because as you said, Megan, once that damage is done, it can't be undone. And we're ending up with
00:28:23.260
more and more stories of detransitioners speaking out and just saying, I wish someone, an adult in
00:28:28.400
the room would have just said, wait a second, pause, let's think through this. And what Walls is
00:28:33.440
doing in Minnesota with this law is fast tracking those kids and now putting the full weight of
00:28:38.080
Minnesota law and courts behind them. Imagine you now have a judge saying, yes, young girl, we're
00:28:42.480
going to get you this surgery, we're going to get you these hormones, and how difficult it is for that
00:28:46.240
child to step back from that. But that is where we're pushing these children to.
00:28:50.340
Removing the adults in the room who care most about the child, who are the parents. But Bob,
00:28:57.260
you told me something interesting a couple months ago, which is in Minnesota, you can't find a
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therapist now who's going to explore these issues with the child and have an honest discussion about
00:29:12.740
whether this is divorce related or God forbid, a sexual abuse that's coming back to haunt a young
00:29:18.280
girl, which we see in a lot of these so-called trans kids. They're just dealing with problems as a
00:29:24.480
result of abuse, real abuse, because they consider that now conversion therapy.
00:29:30.680
Oh, yeah, that's a whole nother discussion, a whole nother show probably, but the whole conversion.
00:29:36.660
And that's another euphemism, a made-up word, and it's meant to insult Christians because it's using
00:29:42.760
the word conversion. And what they're actually talking about is simply therapy that explores
00:29:48.800
with the patient, what are their desires for their life? And are there things that are getting in the
00:29:57.520
way and frustrating that? And just having an honest, open conversation with self-directed therapy,
00:30:03.160
they can't do it because it's basically, we'd say, one way to gay policy now on professional
00:30:11.280
counseling and therapy. Yeah, that's a whole nother discussion. But that's the environment that's been
00:30:18.420
created here in Minnesota. And now the administration's got taken steps to put teeth into enforcement
00:30:25.560
of this because they know very well that many outstate county agencies are probably going to be
00:30:32.960
very hesitant to go down this road and, you know, get kids permanently, you know, medic, you know,
00:30:44.480
hormone treatments and surgeries. So there's been a commission created, a new one in Minnesota that
00:30:51.520
I'm just finding out more about now. But the nightmare is not over. It's getting worse.
00:30:58.620
They would override. Yeah, they would be able to override the discretion of
00:31:02.800
of these county child welfare agencies that are technically a part of the state system,
00:31:11.320
but are contextualized in the community they're in for the most part. And this commission would
00:31:18.720
have the ability to override their discretion and enforce these policies.
00:31:23.440
So you're telling me that if a more conservative leaning or just rational county has a child and
00:31:30.680
protective services person who says, I've evaluated little Sally and you know what? She confessed to
00:31:36.980
me that she was the victim of a sexual assault when she was very young on some trip with some
00:31:44.220
stranger. And I think that's really what's going on here. I don't think we should be aggressively
00:31:49.200
intervening with this girl with cross-sex hormones and surgeries before this is explored and understood
00:31:54.980
that now Minnesota is creating a commission that would remove the judgment of the child and
00:32:00.720
protective services person to just full steam ahead it with little Sally.
00:32:06.000
Potentially. And it's again, yet to be seen what, you know, what all the details would be on this,
00:32:10.700
but I, you know, I don't want to overstate it, but, but the fact that this commission has been
00:32:14.400
created and it has what have, it has the ability to intervene in these other, this decision-making
00:32:20.620
in any county in the state, um, is, is very concerning. So I don't even know. I mean, it's
00:32:26.600
just, just when you think you've gotten to the full darkness, Matt, you learn something else. Um,
00:32:32.380
I don't, I don't know what to say. I don't think this is in any way, the kind of policy that could pass
00:32:38.640
at the federal level, no matter what Tim Walls and Kamala Harris try to do if they win. I just don't
00:32:44.440
think even with the Democrat controlled Senate, potentially, I'm just talking worst case scenario
00:32:48.480
here and a Democrat controlled house. Um, I can't imagine that this kind of thing would be passed,
00:32:55.800
but I suppose we shouldn't rule anything out, but this, there can be influence on policies
00:33:02.200
by a sitting president and vice president state after state after state. And there are things that
00:33:07.660
can be done at the federal level to make it all easier and faster and to de-stigmatize it.
00:33:14.020
And I, I worry a lot about even that level of federal interference. Your thoughts.
00:33:20.020
Yeah, I completely agree, Megan, the, the power of whether it's an executive order or agency action.
00:33:25.600
Remember a lot of where we're seeing gender ideology being pushed at the federal level is
00:33:29.800
through these federal agencies, these bureaucrats. So whether it's the title nine rule that's being
00:33:34.860
rewritten to erase sex and federal law and replace it with gender identity, that has all come through
00:33:40.240
these executive actions through these administrative rules. And so we have got to be on the lookout. We
00:33:45.740
can't just say, well, this is only happening in Minnesota or California. These types of policies
00:33:50.240
are already being pushed at the federal level. So we've got to be vigilant. We've got to educate.
00:33:54.580
We've got to point out these stories, but they are popping up everywhere. I mean, even yesterday in
00:33:59.540
Kentucky, Governor Beshear did an executive order on one of these so-called conversion therapy
00:34:04.620
counselor censorship laws. So they're using every power that they have at the executive level to do
00:34:09.640
it. And at Alliance Defending Freedom, we're going to continue to stand against it, whether it's at
00:34:13.320
the state level or the federal level, we're going to stand against these laws and stand with families
00:34:17.560
and kids to protect them from these dangerous drugs and surgeries.
00:34:21.580
Thank God for Alliance Defending Freedom. Thank God.
00:34:24.300
I thank God every day for you guys. And I mean, the, like the number of things they've already done
00:34:31.120
with Title IX, you know, saying it's discriminatory not to let the boys into the girls' bathrooms and
00:34:37.580
locker rooms saying, and then they expanded it saying it's now discriminatory in the workplace. It's
00:34:43.080
hostile work environment. If you don't use preferred pronouns, well, I won't go ahead and sue me.
00:34:48.780
Um, and what's to stop them from saying, oh, it's discriminatory not to treat as abuse a parent's
00:34:56.040
decision not to quote affirm and offer these quote life-saving gender affirming care options
00:35:01.820
like this Lee Finke has been trying to push on us. And for what it's worth, I mean, my view on,
00:35:07.440
on Lee is Lee made some very bad life choices. And as many people do, they then want to see those
00:35:15.380
choices repeated by others. And it's somehow validated to them. And this is why, in my opinion,
00:35:23.120
this Lee is working so hard to pave the way to this very difficult lifestyle he's chosen for himself,
00:35:29.160
for all of our children. And, and he's going to get his way unless we continue speaking the truth.
00:35:36.320
You guys, thank you. Thank you so much to you, Bob. You've been so helpful. And you, Matt, I honestly,
00:35:42.760
Alliance Defending Freedom is the best. And to all of you listening, if you wanted to donate to them,
00:35:47.420
they can use it and it'll be put to good use. All the best guys. Thank you. Thanks, Megan. Good to be
00:35:53.260
here. Oh, it's like, honestly, I wish I weren't right. I wish it's upsetting to talk about. This is
00:36:02.400
so deeply wrong to my fellow women who are on the fence in this election. I know Trump can be an
00:36:11.740
asshole. I know you don't like his temperament. I know January 6th was bad. You're voting for this
00:36:21.480
regime that we just went through. If you vote Harris Walsh, you're blessing this. You're elevating the man
00:36:28.880
who did it to bigger, greater, more widespread power. I'm begging you to reconsider. Begging you.
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Thank you for listening. And we'll see you next time.
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