The Megyn Kelly Show - Defund The Police Consequences, with Larry Elder and Don and Sondra Samuels ｜ Ep. 131

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.260 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.340 I'm in a hurry because you have got to hear our guests today.

00:00:18.120 We just finished taping with them.

00:00:19.900 My adrenaline is flowing. They were so good.

00:00:22.640 We just did three amazing interviews.

00:00:25.160 If you don't like this show, I'm not the show for you, right?

00:00:27.920 This is not the show for you, but you will love this show. It's amazing.

00:00:31.600 All right, we're going to kick it off with Larry Elder, who now is running to replace Gavin Newsom as the California governor.

00:00:38.400 You know there's the recall effort to vote September 14th, and Larry has just thrown his hat into the ring.

00:00:44.180 But the Secretary of State of California is giving him some guff on it and getting himself on the ballot.

00:00:49.080 I think it'll happen, but so far they've been giving him sort of the rope-a-dope.

00:00:52.280 So we're going to talk to Larry about that first and see whether he's actually got a chance.

00:00:55.820 What does he think? What's the plan? What's he going to do out there?

00:00:59.100 They have had Republican governors, even though it's a blue state.

00:01:02.260 And then we're going to be joined by two people you're going to want to know, Don Samuels and Sondra Samuels.

00:01:07.680 They have lived in the north side of Minneapolis for 24 years, and they are speaking out about the defund, the police, not just effort,

00:01:16.920 but measures that have been taken there by their city council over the past year in the wake of George Floyd.

00:01:22.000 I found the interview so infuriating, inspiring, illuminating, invigorating, all my eyes.

00:01:30.340 Just listen to them, okay? Please, please, please, please listen to what they have to say.

00:01:34.520 Voices of reason on this whole problem on both sides.

00:01:38.780 They will open your eyes if you think police can commit no harm,

00:01:41.580 and they will open your eyes if you think police need to be eliminated, defunded,

00:01:45.780 and replaced with some, you know, random citizenry body.

00:01:48.800 They're great. Okay, we're going to get to them in one second. First this.

00:01:58.260 Larry Elder, how are you?

00:02:00.300 I'm well, Megan. How are you?

00:02:01.940 You've been busy since we last spoke, Mr. Governor.

00:02:06.020 I ran a small business for about 14 years, and somebody once said,

00:02:10.480 running a business is an exercise in terror and disorder.

00:02:13.660 Whoever said that has never run a political campaign.

00:02:15.880 This has just been a very, very wild ride, and I think I've been officially a politician for about 6.5 days now.

00:02:23.140 Is it awful? It seems awful.

00:02:26.040 It's different.

00:02:27.400 You know, they've kept me off the ballot.

00:02:30.640 I'm not on the ballot that was just released.

00:02:33.260 It's not the certified ballot. That won't come out until Wednesday.

00:02:36.160 And we're in court.

00:02:36.900 And apparently what I failed to do was redact my Social Security number, which I was required to do.

00:02:43.280 And the purpose behind that is to protect the candidate.

00:02:46.320 So if somehow I screwed up or intentionally kept my Social Security number on there,

00:02:51.560 the only person who's harmed is me.

00:02:53.620 And nobody that I've talked to, none of the election lawyers that I've hired or the ones I've spoken to just for consultation,

00:02:59.420 believe it is serious enough to keep me off the ballot.

00:03:01.640 So we filed a writ in court last night.

00:03:04.300 We're going to have a hearing on Wednesday, and I would be shocked if I don't prevail

00:03:08.120 and I ultimately get on the certified ballot come Wednesday.

00:03:11.460 I'm going to run against this governor, and I'm going to take him down.

00:03:14.860 And, Megan, I believe the reason for this is because they're afraid of me.

00:03:18.520 Somebody asked me whether or not it was because of race.

00:03:20.880 I said, please, it's because of face, as in the face of Larry Elder.

00:03:24.240 That's who they're scared of, and that's what I think has happened.

00:03:26.540 This is only the second gubernatorial recall in California history.

00:03:31.500 The first one was in 2003 when Governor Gray Davis lost to Schwarzenegger.

00:03:36.360 So it would be a huge deal if Gavin Newsom is actually recalled.

00:03:39.980 And the way I understand it is you get on the ballot.

00:03:42.380 That's the battle you're fighting right now, getting your name on the ballot.

00:03:45.040 And it does seem like they're doing a rope-a-dope with you, Larry,

00:03:48.100 because the Secretary of State had the opportunity to call any deficiencies,

00:03:53.020 alleged deficiencies to your attention.

00:03:55.000 It didn't happen.

00:03:56.660 Suddenly, you're not on there.

00:03:58.560 And yours is, I mean, really, you and Caitlyn Jenner are the only truly recognizable names

00:04:05.260 on the list, although there's something like 60 potential candidates.

00:04:08.440 I've heard between 20 and 60.

00:04:09.640 I don't know what the final number is.

00:04:10.660 But you're the one getting a lot of attention right now since Caitlyn's kind of petered out.

00:04:15.620 So do you think it was intentional that they found an error that would keep your name off

00:04:20.760 of the list, at least for now?

00:04:22.240 You know, I'm not a big conspiracy person, but it looks awfully, awfully fishy.

00:04:27.480 You know, you're a lawyer.

00:04:28.220 I'm a lawyer.

00:04:29.020 I filed 300 pages.

00:04:31.240 And this is the first time this law has ever really been used.

00:04:34.160 It was designed.

00:04:35.500 The requirement to turn in five years of tax returns was designed to make Donald Trump have

00:04:40.880 turned over his tax returns, this is before they were turned over or stolen, on the California

00:04:46.000 ballot for 2020.

00:04:47.480 It was litigated all the way up to the California Supreme Court, Megan, and seven zip, it was

00:04:51.480 ruled unconstitutional.

00:04:52.840 But they did let it stand as to gubernatorial elections.

00:04:55.800 It isn't even clear whether it applies to recall elections like this one.

00:04:59.660 But the bottom line is, to use a fancy word, whatever errors I had on my applications is

00:05:06.120 de minimis.

00:05:06.700 It doesn't really mean anything, and it ought not keep me off the ballot.

00:05:10.700 This petition had 2.2 signatures to recall this man, and many of them were Democrats and

00:05:16.240 independents.

00:05:16.740 And they were cheesed off by a number of things, most notably the way he slammed down this economy

00:05:21.280 for the coronavirus, while he had his own kids enjoying in-school private education, while

00:05:26.640 he exempted his own business and destroyed the lives of so many businesses here in California.

00:05:31.480 Only one half of all the jobs have come back, as opposed to two-thirds in the average state

00:05:35.940 outside of California.

00:05:37.320 And then we have the rise in crime, and the rise in homelessness, and the outrageous cost

00:05:42.100 of living.

00:05:42.840 And this governor either is too incompetent or too unconcerned to do anything about it.

00:05:47.140 So for all those reasons, I'm getting into this race.

00:05:49.280 Mm-hmm.

00:05:50.480 Now, is it true that, because I want to get back into the legal challenge, actually, for

00:05:54.100 one second.

00:05:55.000 Do you think that by Wednesday, you'll have a ruling saying they have to put your name

00:05:58.680 on the ballot?

00:05:59.820 I do.

00:06:00.620 There'll be a ruling by Wednesday.

00:06:02.300 And if we lose, and we're not going to, it'll be appealed.

00:06:05.160 And if it goes up to the same seven Supreme Court justices who ruled unanimously that this

00:06:09.800 law did not apply to Donald Trump, I don't believe that they're going to rule against me.

00:06:15.140 This is just absolutely insane.

00:06:16.640 And furthermore, there are at least two other rival candidates, rival Republicans, who didn't

00:06:21.320 even turn in their 2020 tax returns.

00:06:23.520 Now, the IRS has given people an extension because of COVID, and I'm not saying they didn't

00:06:27.360 comply, and I'm not saying they should be kicked off the ballot.

00:06:29.400 But can you imagine what they would have done to me had I not included my 2020 tax returns,

00:06:33.300 which, in fact, I did?

00:06:34.960 Right.

00:06:35.520 Exactly.

00:06:36.060 Well, it does make you wonder.

00:06:37.260 And why didn't they take the opportunity to raise this with you prior to when they released

00:06:41.400 the list?

00:06:41.780 But we're still in time at this point because the vote is not until, what, September 14th?

00:06:47.260 That's right.

00:06:47.980 And there's a provision that allows the Secretary of State to correct any redactions or things

00:06:54.680 that should have been redacted that weren't redacted.

00:06:56.460 So she could have done something had she wanted to.

00:06:58.360 And by the way, this new law doesn't even apply to Governor Gavin Newsom.

00:07:01.840 He doesn't have to turn over five years of his tax return.

00:07:04.220 So there's also an equal protection argument that we also made.

00:07:07.020 So there's a bunch of arguments that have been made, any one of which, in my opinion,

00:07:11.360 is powerful enough to reveal on its own, let alone about a half a dozen major arguments

00:07:15.760 that we've made.

00:07:16.440 And we're going to post the brief online sometime before the end of the day.

00:07:21.160 Okay.

00:07:21.620 So assuming that you succeed in this battle to get your name on the actual ballot, then

00:07:25.600 the vote comes along in September.

00:07:27.220 And as I understand it, there are two questions on the recall ballot.

00:07:31.500 One is, do you want to recall Gavin Newsom?

00:07:33.420 And only if they get a majority in response to that, do they move on to question number

00:07:36.860 two, which is, who would you like to replace him with?

00:07:39.160 And that's where you hope your name will be.

00:07:41.880 Caitlyn Jenner's name will be.

00:07:43.400 Former mayor of San Diego's name will be.

00:07:45.340 Some businessmen and so on.

00:07:46.560 And on down goes the list.

00:07:48.680 Let me just ask you about Caitlyn.

00:07:50.120 Do you think she still has a shot?

00:07:51.840 She's just announced she's going off to Australia to film Big Brother VIP.

00:07:58.080 And she says, look, I'm just honoring a prior work commitment, but I'm still totally into this

00:08:02.340 race.

00:08:02.640 Yeah.

00:08:03.420 Well, Megan, with all due respect, I'm going to duck your question because when I get that

00:08:07.820 question, that means that we're turning our cannon fire on each other.

00:08:11.320 It's a circular firing squad.

00:08:12.800 As you pointed out, the first question is whether or not this man is going to be recalled.

00:08:16.720 And that requires 50% plus one vote.

00:08:19.240 After that, the next question is, whom do you want to replace him?

00:08:22.400 And whoever gets the greatest number will then replace him.

00:08:25.080 But until and unless 50% plus one voter votes to recall Gavin Newsom, it doesn't matter how I

00:08:30.200 feel about the rest of the candidates.

00:08:31.440 So I want us all and I urge all the Republicans to keep your eye on the prize.

00:08:36.360 The prize is Gavin Newsom.

00:08:37.600 Gavin Newsom has got to go.

00:08:39.260 This guy has lied about how many fallen trees he's cleared because we have our fifth season,

00:08:45.280 which is called fire season.

00:08:46.360 We have an infrastructure for water and for power that is for a state half the size because

00:08:51.700 of the environmental rules and regulations that the lawmakers in Sacramento have been

00:08:56.440 foisting down the throats of Californians for decades, which is why the cost of living

00:09:00.420 is so high.

00:09:01.340 My father came here, Megan, in 1945.

00:09:03.980 You know my story.

00:09:04.660 He cleaned toilets for two full-time jobs, managed to save enough money to buy a house

00:09:09.960 in South Central, which is still in our family.

00:09:11.680 I just checked with Zillow the other night.

00:09:13.680 It is worth $600,000.

00:09:16.180 No eighth grade dropout could have a stay-at-home wife, my mother, raise three boys until the 0.98

00:09:20.760 latter of us was in middle school on a salary of two jobs, let alone three jobs, because

00:09:26.780 the cost of living is so ridiculous.

00:09:28.800 The average price of a home in California is 150% more than the average price of a home

00:09:33.720 outside of California.

00:09:35.060 And one of the people who I often consult on these kinds of matters is a brilliant economist

00:09:39.240 named Leo Hanian at UCLA.

00:09:41.020 He says the average price of a home in California is 50% more than otherwise would be, but for

00:09:46.500 these environmental regulations that have developers treated like felons, while this

00:09:51.220 governor has overseen the release of 20,000 real felons into our streets because of the

00:09:56.480 early release COVID program.

00:09:58.120 This guy has got to go.

00:09:59.620 So if he doesn't go, it doesn't matter what happens with the rest of us Republicans.

00:10:03.100 Okay, now the odds are stacked against-

00:10:05.660 How about that answer, Megan?

00:10:06.860 I love it.

00:10:08.320 And I appreciate somebody dodging my question by explicitly saying I'm dodging you.

00:10:12.220 That's what I love about you, Larry.

00:10:13.480 You'll give it to me straight.

00:10:15.600 I've only been a politician for 6.5 days.

00:10:18.580 I haven't figured out yet how to be inauthentic and phony.

00:10:21.080 I'm sure that's going to come.

00:10:22.740 No, I don't believe it.

00:10:24.940 Never with you.

00:10:25.440 Okay, so your problem in California, your biggest problem is that Democrats outnumber

00:10:30.020 Republicans by about two to one, and that the governor's approval rating, it was 64%.

00:10:37.480 Let me just finish that.

00:10:38.380 It was 64% back in spring of 2020.

00:10:42.600 Then it fell down to 52%.

00:10:44.480 Now amongst likely voters, the latest I read was it's at 54%, and some 49% said they don't

00:10:51.600 favor a recall.

00:10:52.680 It's tight enough it could go either way, but just looking at the sheer numbers, they

00:10:57.340 say you're an underdog, and he's overwhelmingly favored to keep his job.

00:11:01.760 Are you telling me that Megyn Kelly believes these polls?

00:11:04.740 Honestly, the day before Donald Trump got elected, what did they say?

00:11:08.000 Hillary had an 85% chance of winning. 0.99

00:11:10.160 I don't believe them.

00:11:11.380 The intensity is on our side.

00:11:13.500 By the way, I've conducted interview after interview after interview up and down the state,

00:11:17.360 and I've not seen Governor Gavin Newsom conduct any interviews because how are you going

00:11:21.440 to defend the rising crime?

00:11:22.760 How are you going to defend the outrageous homelessness?

00:11:25.240 How are you going to defend the cost of living?

00:11:26.900 How are you going to defend the fact that he is totally beholden by the teachers union?

00:11:31.140 The largest contributor to this campaign, teachers wanted the schools shut down, even

00:11:35.520 though the CDC said under certain precautions they could be reopened.

00:11:38.640 75% of Black kids cannot read at state levels of proficiency in California.

00:11:44.360 My former high school, Crenshaw High School, was the high school that was the center of

00:11:48.660 that movie, Boys in the Hood.

00:11:49.920 I just checked yesterday, 2% of the students at my former high school are math proficient.

00:11:55.060 Now, who the hell sends their kid to a school where only 2% of the kids are math proficient?

00:11:59.100 And by the way, it is a school that is controlled by the gang called the Crips.

00:12:02.500 Who sends their kid to a school like that if the parent has an option out?

00:12:05.840 The majority of Black and Brown parents, the ones who pull the lever for the Democrats, 0.97

00:12:10.100 support school choice.

00:12:11.300 Who's not giving them school choice?

00:12:12.920 The very Democrats they pull the lever for.

00:12:14.800 So a whole bunch of people are rethinking their attitude and their allegiance to the

00:12:18.140 Democratic Party.

00:12:19.060 And I believe they're going to take, they're going to rethink a whole lot of things come

00:12:22.360 September 14th with me on the ballot.

00:12:24.380 You can, it's a private ballot and you can pull the lever for Larry Elder and not tell your

00:12:29.220 independent or Democrat friends that you've done so.

00:12:32.260 That's a good, that's a good way of getting to the Californians. 0.92

00:12:35.060 No one has to know, you know, it'll be just between us when I get to the gubernatorial

00:12:38.860 mansion.

00:12:39.860 But it'll be our secret.

00:12:40.840 It'll be our secret.

00:12:42.020 The thing you have going for you, according to the local pollsters and sort of pundits,

00:12:46.700 is there is apparently is Democratic apathy when it comes to this recall.

00:12:51.620 Like they're like, ah, he's got it.

00:12:53.600 I'm not really paying attention to this.

00:12:55.400 Whereas on the GOP side, according to the locals who follow California politics, they say

00:12:59.820 there's a tremendous enthusiasm for this.

00:13:02.020 Again, because it's only the second gubernatorial recall effort in history there.

00:13:06.240 So the Republicans are psyched up and, but, but the Republican field is pretty fractured.

00:13:11.280 So, you know, there could be a split vote situation that undermines you or.

00:13:15.820 No, I don't, I don't analyze it that way.

00:13:17.900 I don't analyze it that way.

00:13:18.760 Megan, more the merrier.

00:13:20.280 Bring, bring, bring in the, the candidates that you just now mentioned.

00:13:23.000 Everybody has a certain base, a certain number of followers.

00:13:26.120 Uh, the, the idea is to generate interest in this election.

00:13:29.800 What the Democrats have smartly done, however, is not enter a, a prominent Democrat in the election

00:13:34.460 because they don't want him or her to take away votes from, from Gavin Newsom.

00:13:38.440 So again, the prize is Gavin Newsom and tell him unless we get 50% plus one doesn't matter

00:13:43.700 what the other Republicans do.

00:13:45.180 Uh, and, um, I'm urging people to go to elect elder.com, elect elder.com and throw a little

00:13:51.000 something in the tip jar.

00:13:51.920 By the way, Gavin Newsom has no finance limitations.

00:13:54.760 He can raise as much money as he wants and spend as much money as he wants.

00:13:58.880 We have limitations.

00:14:00.240 And by the way, when it was pretty clear, I was going to announce all of a sudden, one

00:14:03.080 of the major unions contributed $5 million to his campaign.

00:14:07.060 I haven't raised that money, but I'm on track to raise a great deal of money.

00:14:10.640 But this guy has unlimited powers, unlimited ability to raise and spend money.

00:14:14.900 We do not.

00:14:16.260 What do you, how does COVID play into this?

00:14:17.980 Because we've all been watching the national headlines now about what's happening in LA County

00:14:21.860 where they've reimposed mandatory masks indoors, even for people who are fully vaccinated,

00:14:30.760 which goes against CDC guidance, even, which says you don't need to wear a mask if you're

00:14:34.720 fully vaccinated.

00:14:35.500 But they're saying that the numbers in California are bad.

00:14:38.000 I'm just looking at the latest hospitalizations are up 42% in California.

00:14:45.280 Cases are up 198% in California.

00:14:48.620 Deaths are up 22% in California.

00:14:51.320 And so, you know, his explanation and the explanation of the locals in LA is desperate times.

00:14:56.260 And so we've got to sort of go back to these, what felt like draconian measures in order to

00:15:00.660 save lives.

00:15:01.300 You say you're going to undo it immediately.

00:15:02.880 What do you say to those people who say people will die if you do?

00:15:06.960 No one is denying that the coronavirus is serious.

00:15:10.720 I've been vaccinated.

00:15:11.780 My girlfriend's been vaccinated.

00:15:13.140 Everybody I know has been vaccinated.

00:15:15.000 It is a very serious thing.

00:15:16.200 But when you put it in context and look at, it's only about 10% what it was at its peak.

00:15:21.220 Furthermore, you have the LA County Sheriff, Alex Villanueva, saying this is anti-science

00:15:25.540 and I'm not going to use my manpower to enforce this.

00:15:27.980 And again, there are story after story after story about what Gavin Newsom did, anti-science

00:15:32.620 by shutting down the schools and by shutting down businesses.

00:15:36.240 One of my campaign members has a brother who used to be a football coach in Oakland, happens

00:15:41.540 to be white.

00:15:42.180 Virtually all of his players were black.

00:15:43.660 Many of them did not have fathers and he was their father figure.

00:15:46.660 And the coach and the regimen gave them structure.

00:15:49.540 He begged the schools to remain open.

00:15:51.320 He begged Gavin Newsom to keep practice open.

00:15:53.720 Come on, we can do it outdoors.

00:15:55.180 We can do it with social distancing.

00:15:56.340 This is not a violation of CDC mandates.

00:15:59.480 He still shut down practice.

00:16:01.160 Two of these young men got into trouble with the law.

00:16:03.080 One of them committed a crime so serious, he's going to be in jail for years.

00:16:06.580 This would not have happened had Gavin Newsom not shut down the schools.

00:16:09.860 This coach got so ticked off, he went to Tennessee where he now lives and where he's

00:16:13.880 now being the kind of father figure for other people outside of California.

00:16:17.420 I have a makeup artist, single mom.

00:16:20.240 Her son is 17 years old, one of the top 25 wrestlers in the state of California for

00:16:24.560 his weight class.

00:16:26.960 And again, the coach begged the school to remain open.

00:16:29.340 The kid was coaching, was being coached six days a week.

00:16:32.320 That structure was gone.

00:16:33.300 He and mom were in the house month after month after month after month.

00:16:36.240 He becomes sullen and morose and becomes suicidal.

00:16:39.120 He had enough integrity and had a good enough relationship with his mom that he went up to

00:16:42.280 her and said, Mom, I feel suicidal.

00:16:44.020 He's now in therapy.

00:16:45.320 You can swing a dead cat and get story after story after story like that because of what

00:16:48.800 Gavin Newsom did.

00:16:49.580 This guy has got to go.

00:16:51.640 And one more time, I'm urging people to go to electelder.com and throw something in the

00:16:55.320 tip jar.

00:16:55.720 Let's get him out of here.

00:16:57.200 You tip jar.

00:16:58.600 How about the LA Times?

00:16:59.800 They dropped a perfectly timed hit piece on you.

00:17:02.160 I'm sure you weren't surprised to read it.

00:17:03.580 This is if I didn't know you, Larry God, I would think you were a terrible man.

00:17:06.740 This is the LA Times view of Larry Elder.

00:17:08.480 It's absurd and it's just mean.

00:17:10.900 OK, this is them.

00:17:12.360 There was a black led boycott against Larry Elder in the 1990s because of his racial views.

00:17:16.640 He says black people are more racist than whites.

00:17:18.560 He says he's he's engaged in white grievance politics.

00:17:22.300 That's his bread and butter.

00:17:23.840 He has a delusion of rampant reverse racism taking place in this country, saying that your

00:17:30.240 campaign builds on the fantasy that it's not racist to deny the threat of white supremacy.

00:17:36.960 Goes on.

00:17:37.800 You've repeatedly twisted crime stats to portray black people as more violent than whites,

00:17:42.220 a theme for white supremacists.

00:17:44.540 And then there's he blames black community struggles on an alleged lack of self-determination.

00:17:49.860 That's a David Duke talking point.

00:17:53.020 Well, I don't I don't think they're for you.

00:17:55.800 I don't think you're getting the endorsement.

00:17:57.860 I don't think she's going to throw something in the tip jar.

00:18:00.200 Let's just do this.

00:18:01.320 Let's just do this.

00:18:02.660 Pick up your magic wand and wave it over America and remove every smidgen of white racism

00:18:07.980 from the hearts of white people.

00:18:09.380 Do we still have 70 percent of black kids entering the world without a father married 0.90

00:18:13.400 to the mother?

00:18:14.160 Do we still have a 50 percent dropout rate in urban high schools?

00:18:17.460 Are urban black boys still 25 percent of them with criminal records, either in jail, on

00:18:21.880 parole or on probation?

00:18:23.320 Is a black child eight times more likely to be a victim of a homicide compared to a white

00:18:28.500 child?

00:18:28.940 If all of those things are true, what are we talking about here?

00:18:32.260 Why am I a bad guy?

00:18:34.080 Why am I Uncle Tom?

00:18:35.380 Why am I a sellout?

00:18:36.340 How does that make me defending white people? 0.56

00:18:38.360 These are situations that the left is ignoring.

00:18:42.440 The fact that the welfare state has incentivized women to marry the government has allowed women 1.00

00:18:47.100 to abandon, has allowed men to abandon their financial and memorial responsibility.

00:18:50.920 So we've gone from 25 percent of black kids entering the world without a father married

00:18:54.340 to the mother in 1965 to 70 percent today.

00:18:57.140 Are you telling me America is more racist today than it was in 1965?

00:19:00.460 Let's talk about what's really going on here.

00:19:02.420 And they don't want to do that.

00:19:03.400 What who would you say, you know, for Californians who don't know you and they're wondering what

00:19:09.140 kind of a politician you'd be, what kind of a leader would you be?

00:19:12.780 Who would you be like?

00:19:13.860 Pick a politician and say, if you like this person, you'll you'll like me.

00:19:17.640 I've never thought about that.

00:19:19.320 I think I'm a unique person.

00:19:20.760 As I said, I don't believe it's race, meaning the reason that I'm not on the ballot.

00:19:24.380 I believe it's this particular face.

00:19:26.100 I believe I can connect to people in a way that a lot of Republicans can't, either because

00:19:30.240 they don't go to the hood.

00:19:31.360 They're not from the hood like I was.

00:19:33.060 They didn't kind of come out of public schools.

00:19:34.680 They don't realize how bad they are.

00:19:36.100 But all I know is that I was raised by great parents.

00:19:40.120 My father was a came to California, as I mentioned, in 1945 from the Jim Crow South.

00:19:46.220 And my father, if anybody had a reason to be angry at the world, angry at America and

00:19:50.500 calling America racist, it's my dad, who I didn't know his biological father, kicked

00:19:54.300 out of the house when he was 13, joined the Marines, came back to Tennessee to get him

00:19:58.600 a job as a short order cook.

00:19:59.740 And he was told, quote, we don't hire niggers in the book.

00:20:02.380 He comes to California, walks around to get him a job as a short order cook.

00:20:05.600 And he was told, we don't hire anybody without references.

00:20:08.420 My dad said, I need references to make ham and eggs.

00:20:10.700 So he starts a small cafe after he saves his nickels and dime from being a janitor.

00:20:15.720 And my father always told my brothers and me, hard work wins.

00:20:18.720 You get out of life what you put into it.

00:20:20.040 Larry, you cannot control the outcome, but you are 100% in control of the effort.

00:20:23.900 And before you moan about what somebody else did to you, go to the nearest mirror, look

00:20:26.620 at it and say, how could I have changed the outcome?

00:20:28.940 That's the philosophy my father had.

00:20:31.020 And years ago, Megan, I was interviewed by 60 Minutes.

00:20:33.340 My father is a man of few words.

00:20:34.720 So 60 Minutes comes to South Central and sets up all the cameras and the lights.

00:20:40.060 You know how that works.

00:20:40.940 They're there for 45 minutes, an hour.

00:20:43.480 And Morley Safer, the correspondent, sits my dad down and says, you know, your son, Larry

00:20:47.120 says, if you work hard, keep your shoulder to the grindstone, you'll be just fine.

00:20:50.960 Do you believe that?

00:20:51.760 And my dad said, work for me.

00:20:54.460 Work for me.

00:20:55.760 And Morley said, OK, that's a wrap.

00:20:57.700 And that's the only segment of my dad that made it into the program.

00:21:02.180 That's all he said.

00:21:03.280 Because it's that simple.

00:21:04.860 I'm not saying it's easy, but it's that simple.

00:21:06.920 Stay focused.

00:21:07.700 My goodness, Barack Obama got elected in 2008, had a higher percentage of the white vote than

00:21:12.220 John Kerry.

00:21:13.080 What are we talking about?

00:21:14.640 2007, Gallup did a poll.

00:21:16.920 Obama's running for the nomination against Hillary.

00:21:19.220 And Mitt Romney's running for the nomination against John McCain.

00:21:21.860 And Gallup said, what percentage of Americans would not vote for a black president?

00:21:26.000 5%.

00:21:26.480 What percentage of Americans would not vote for a female?

00:21:29.260 11%.

00:21:29.740 What percentage of Americans would not vote for a Mormon?

00:21:32.640 24%.

00:21:33.080 What percentage of Americans would not vote for a man 72 years old when he became president,

00:21:37.540 referring to John McCain?

00:21:39.500 42%.

00:21:39.980 Obama had a lower hurdle than these three white politicians.

00:21:43.100 So can we knock it off?

00:21:44.640 Can we just get on with it?

00:21:46.060 Talk about schools.

00:21:47.280 Talk about crime.

00:21:48.440 Talk about accountability.

00:21:49.200 Making sure that you are good enough to be able to compete in this economy and get a

00:21:53.420 good job.

00:21:54.120 Isn't that what we're talking about here?

00:21:55.760 The left-wing think tank, the Brookings Institution, Megan, said there are three things you need

00:21:59.320 to do to escape poverty.

00:22:00.700 Number one, finish high school.

00:22:02.600 Presumably one good enough so that you can read, write, and compute at grade level.

00:22:05.860 Number two, don't have a kid before you get married. 1.00

00:22:07.920 Number three, get a job.

00:22:08.840 Keep that job.

00:22:09.500 Don't quit that job until you get another job.

00:22:11.280 They didn't say that only applies to white people.

00:22:13.080 That applies to people.

00:22:14.720 Knock it off.

00:22:15.460 The left always wants to bring up race because they know that if they can get 13% of black

00:22:19.600 people all upset about social justice, they'll pull the lever for the Democratic Party, ignoring

00:22:24.180 that this is the same party that denies them choice in school, which urban parents, according

00:22:28.060 to the polls, want desperately.

00:22:29.660 You know, the other thing that the LA Times came after you on, and we talked about this

00:22:33.440 last time you were on, you're proud of the fact, they're shocked and horrified by the

00:22:38.120 fact that you've mentored a lot of people in the conservative movement, including Stephen

00:22:42.200 Miller, who is completely demonized while working for Trump, and Candace Owens, who is 0.88

00:22:47.600 very open about the fact that you're her mentor and who we love.

00:22:50.760 But, you know, she's another person who they say is a white supremacist. 0.89

00:22:54.660 And the question is, I know all this is BS, but I do wonder how will the California, California

00:23:00.540 is blue.

00:23:01.300 You know, it's like my state, New York.

00:23:02.920 How are the voters there going to think about you mentoring folks like Candace and Stephen

00:23:08.700 and, you know, you having these very heterodox views when it comes to things like Black Lives

00:23:12.860 Matter and welfare, which we're getting back to at the federal level, right?

00:23:17.020 Like, do you think they're going to hold that against you?

00:23:19.400 Well, crime doesn't have a color.

00:23:21.000 A crime is up in the Bay Area.

00:23:23.080 It's up in LA.

00:23:24.340 It's up in San Diego.

00:23:25.420 And the primary victims of this crime are black and brown people that the people on the 1.00

00:23:29.120 left can't find they care about.

00:23:30.220 Homelessness, which is a hygienic problem, it diminishes property values, causes insurance

00:23:37.880 premiums to go up, it causes people to steal.

00:23:41.940 That doesn't have a color.

00:23:43.800 And again, I just saw an article about the LAUSD, the Los Angeles Unified School District.

00:23:50.120 Two-thirds of black parents do not want to send their kids back.

00:23:53.360 And the district put out a statement, and it was something like this, and this is almost

00:23:56.380 verbatim, quote, the district needs to develop an inclusive and strategic approach to supporting

00:24:02.500 the achievement of black students, close quote.

00:24:04.680 What the hell have you guys been doing for the last several decades?

00:24:07.420 You need to develop.

00:24:08.780 When are you going to start?

00:24:09.980 That doesn't have a color.

00:24:11.480 And I'm going to be their champion.

00:24:13.200 I'm going to be the champion of people who want school choice.

00:24:15.980 Eighty percent of the students at public schools in California are black and brown.

00:24:21.340 300,000 public school teachers.

00:24:23.140 And I'm told that between five and seven percent of them are incompetent, Megan.

00:24:27.120 That means 15,000 teachers are unleashed on the school systems every single year, miseducating

00:24:33.520 these kids.

00:24:34.500 Let's make an analogy.

00:24:35.720 There are 20,000 LAPD officers.

00:24:38.300 Imagine if five percent of them were incompetent.

00:24:41.060 Say what you want about the trial of Derek Chauvin.

00:24:43.440 There were about 15 complaints against him.

00:24:45.840 And in a normal environment, if you have 15 complaints against you, you get fired.

00:24:49.440 If five percent of the LAPD were bad, that's a thousand cops unleashed on the streets of

00:24:56.440 L.A.

00:24:57.060 We wouldn't put up with it.

00:24:58.500 Why are we putting up with 15,000 incompetent teachers unleashed in the classrooms of black 1.00

00:25:03.180 and brown students every single day?

00:25:05.380 I am their champion.

00:25:06.700 The Democrats do not give a damn.

00:25:08.260 They've got their own kids in private school.

00:25:10.120 I mentioned Gavin Newsom has his own kids in person, private education, while he was shutting

00:25:14.700 down the schools for everybody else.

00:25:16.280 This is something that is taking off everybody, independents and Democrats, no matter the race.

00:25:21.460 So I don't believe that schools have a color.

00:25:23.560 I don't believe crime has a color.

00:25:24.900 I don't believe homelessness has a color.

00:25:26.400 I don't believe the cost of living has a color.

00:25:28.420 And I can make the case in a way far more persuasive than I think anybody else can.

00:25:32.340 I've been on radio in California for almost 30 years, Megan.

00:25:35.260 All the major markets, San Diego down up to Sacramento, people know me.

00:25:39.780 They know who I am.

00:25:40.680 And they know that I've got some practical things that I'm going to bring to the table on how

00:25:44.200 to solve some of these problems.

00:25:45.260 And you're real.

00:25:46.580 You're real in your data base.

00:25:48.180 That's what's so refreshing about you is you don't actually have a politician's filter.

00:25:52.280 And that way you're like Trump.

00:25:53.760 You just sort of say it the way you see it.

00:25:55.520 You always have.

00:25:56.140 You don't have this veneer the way somebody like a Gavin Newsom does, who seems like he's

00:26:00.260 tested every talking point, not to mention his hair, before he goes out there on camera.

00:26:05.220 I do think there's a chance that's really going to resonate, even with people who might

00:26:08.860 be ideologically suspicious of you.

00:26:13.940 But then I wonder, in a state that's already controlled by the teachers' unions, that really

00:26:18.860 hasn't done so well on school choice, how do you convince them, right?

00:26:22.180 How do you actually change things?

00:26:23.740 And then I just look at sort of the disdain for Gavin Newsom by Republicans, right?

00:26:28.000 The French laundry, do as I say, not as I do.

00:26:30.600 French laundry, you stay home, but I'm going to go out to eat.

00:26:32.960 You send your kids to public school, but I'm going to send mine to private school.

00:26:35.440 And I question the other side, is there enough disdain for the guy at this point that people

00:26:39.840 are going to say, you know what, like they did with Trump, let's just take a shot.

00:26:44.080 Let's see what happens.

00:26:45.320 Right.

00:26:45.580 And what Trump said, of course, is what do you have to lose?

00:26:47.540 I was talking to a Bay Area, probably a Sacramento black newspaper.

00:26:52.100 And as they were setting up, I can tell that they weren't feeling me.

00:26:54.800 And during the interview, I said, aren't you tired?

00:26:57.540 Aren't you tired of a teacher's union controlling the schools to the point where 75% of black kids

00:27:01.760 cannot read at state level's proficiency?

00:27:03.200 Aren't you tired of these white liberals who belong to the Sierra Club and to Ducks Unlimited

00:27:08.920 filing lawsuits that stopped the construction of homes so that the price of housing has gotten

00:27:13.620 so high, the percentage of black living in San Francisco and in LA has gone down.

00:27:18.160 And the primary reason is the cost of living.

00:27:20.040 I said, do you know anybody black who belongs to Ducks Unlimited?

00:27:23.140 And they started cracking up.

00:27:24.320 I said, aren't you tired of this?

00:27:25.660 Aren't you tired of being used?

00:27:26.980 And I could tell I opened their eyes.

00:27:28.840 I'm not saying they became Reagan Republicans overnight, but I think they're going to go

00:27:32.120 in there and quietly pull that lever for Larry Elder and not tell their friends.

00:27:36.560 Exactly.

00:27:37.560 The other example of that kind of hypocrisy that we saw so much during the COVID shutdowns

00:27:41.900 comes with respect to Black Lives Matter.

00:27:43.960 And Cori Bush, representative of Missouri, comes out.

00:27:47.300 This is she's a big defund the police advocate. 1.00

00:27:49.600 She thinks the police are terrible.

00:27:50.960 Now it comes out in the news.

00:27:52.500 She has spent $70,000 on private security for herself.

00:27:58.740 And she had a private guard, private security over the past few months, $70,000.

00:28:03.000 The average person in California, not her state, but still cannot do that.

00:28:07.920 And yet they are beholden to these politicians who want to take this sort of moral ground of

00:28:11.680 the police are terrible, let's defund.

00:28:13.360 And then they've got almost $100,000 to spend on their own security while the people in South

00:28:17.300 Central are going to have to fend for themselves.

00:28:19.080 Right.

00:28:19.800 And St. Louis, where Cori Bush is from, we often pick on Chicago as the murder capital 1.00

00:28:24.540 of the world because they have the largest number of murders in absolute numbers.

00:28:28.000 But in terms of per capita homicides, St. Louis is three times more deadly than Chicago.

00:28:33.980 What is she doing?

00:28:35.000 And look at the school system in St. Louis.

00:28:36.580 What is she doing?

00:28:37.620 Running around, talking about defunding the police.

00:28:40.360 What are these people doing?

00:28:41.920 Who's on your side?

00:28:43.320 I am.

00:28:43.960 And that's why, again, I'm urging people to go to electelder.com and let's stop some of this

00:28:47.780 nonsense.

00:28:49.080 Larry, cannot wait to see what happens.

00:28:51.080 Now, wait, is there a chance that they reject you on Wednesday?

00:28:53.900 And if they reject you on Wednesday, you can file an appeal.

00:28:55.920 So it's not over.

00:28:57.160 Is it not over until the ballot actually, you know, the vote is actually out on September

00:29:01.360 14th?

00:29:01.920 Because like, how long do you have to resolve this issue of getting your name on?

00:29:04.160 It's not over until if I get rejected on Wednesday and I'm not.

00:29:07.940 It then goes up to the Supreme Court on an expedited basis.

00:29:10.720 So we should know within a few days whether or not I'm going to be on the ballot.

00:29:13.500 And I am going to be on the ballot.

00:29:14.720 No question about it.

00:29:15.400 I think you are, too.

00:29:16.280 Yeah, I don't believe that Gavin Newsom has the cashews to debate me.

00:29:20.840 He's not even been interviewed anywhere.

00:29:22.360 The cashews.

00:29:23.460 I'm being interviewed everywhere.

00:29:25.040 I've not even seen this man because he can't defend his record.

00:29:27.280 I've never heard quite that that term used, but I guess I'm picking up what you're putting

00:29:33.120 down.

00:29:33.300 It's a gender. 0.99

00:29:33.980 It's a gender and ethnic neutral term, Megan.

00:29:36.760 Cash.

00:29:37.220 I got no issue with that whatsoever.

00:29:39.200 No, he doesn't have him to debate you.

00:29:40.580 And he won't because he's, you know, he's the favorite.

00:29:43.200 So I understand politically it's a smart move.

00:29:45.120 He doesn't want to acknowledge that you exist.

00:29:47.520 This is like not happening as far as he's concerned.

00:29:50.260 Right.

00:29:50.400 He's the favorite.

00:29:51.020 And also the other other reason is he won't win.

00:29:54.160 William B. Buckley had a show on PBS called Firing Line for 33 years.

00:29:58.340 And he was asked, why is it despite the numerous invitations you've made to then Attorney General

00:30:02.780 Robert Kennedy, he's never come on your show?

00:30:05.060 And Buckley said, why does the baloney avoid the grinder?

00:30:07.500 This guy doesn't want me.

00:30:08.920 And he's smart to avoid me.

00:30:10.300 I'd avoid me if I were him.

00:30:11.540 He can't defend his record.

00:30:13.620 Yes, I'd avoid you if I were him, too.

00:30:16.060 But I would buy money to that.

00:30:18.100 I mean, I would pay money to see that debate by any amount.

00:30:21.100 We could have a debate solved budget by selling tickets.

00:30:24.360 That's true.

00:30:25.080 If you put this on pay-per-view and said you'd split the proceeds, you'd both benefit mightily.

00:30:29.460 You should propose that.

00:30:30.860 Right.

00:30:31.380 I'll propose it.

00:30:32.200 I don't think he's going to accept, but I'll propose it.

00:30:33.960 Yeah, I think you're right.

00:30:35.320 He's got good strategic reasons.

00:30:36.680 So we will continue to follow it.

00:30:38.580 Larry Elder, electelder.com for a tip if you are so interested.

00:30:42.740 Larry, we'll be watching and cheering you on.

00:30:44.980 All the best.

00:30:45.920 Megan, thank you so much.

00:30:46.820 God bless.

00:30:48.160 Okay, so it'll be fun to continue watching what happens with Larry.

00:30:50.480 I predict he gets on the ballot and then we'll see.

00:30:53.200 Then we'll wait till September to see whether, can you imagine Governor Elder?

00:30:56.740 It would be such a great story, right?

00:30:58.640 Given his dad's background and the whole bit.

00:31:02.180 I don't know.

00:31:03.040 I think Caitlyn Jenner, I think she's kind of out of it, frankly.

00:31:05.680 Big brother.

00:31:06.540 Big brother VIP.

00:31:07.700 That's not where she, at heart, she's still a Kardashian. 0.52

00:31:10.540 But we'll see.

00:31:13.980 It's, you know, it's uphill battle.

00:31:15.140 Very blue state.

00:31:15.860 So we'll see.

00:31:16.440 Continue following it.

00:31:17.300 In any event, let me introduce you to two amazing people.

00:31:20.420 Don Samuels and Sondra Samuels, who are taking Minneapolis by storm and they are not taking

00:31:26.660 what's happening to their city when it comes to the increase in crime, in shootings and

00:31:31.220 homicides, including of little children, including in the past couple of weeks and this week,

00:31:36.340 lying down.

00:31:38.040 They're fighting back and they've got a roadmap for how you can too.

00:31:41.880 Don and Sondra Samuels, now.

00:31:47.140 Don and Sondra, thank you so much for being here.

00:31:49.700 Oh, thank you for having us.

00:31:50.980 Great to be here, Megan.

00:31:52.480 In reading the Daily Mail account of what you did and what you've been through and Don,

00:31:57.500 your op-ed piece, my heart goes out to you.

00:32:01.180 Let's try to explain it to the audience so they can understand.

00:32:04.140 You live, as I understand it, on the north side of Minneapolis and you've been there

00:32:09.460 for what?

00:32:09.780 A quarter century?

00:32:11.280 Yes, that's right.

00:32:13.240 Okay, it's been a long time.

00:32:14.440 I feel old.

00:32:16.040 We are old.

00:32:17.340 Same.

00:32:18.060 I just hit half a century as a birthday, so I understand.

00:32:22.600 And walk us through what kind of a neighborhood, before the whole defund the police and the

00:32:26.880 George Floyd situation, what kind of a neighborhood was it?

00:32:30.620 Well, north Minneapolis is a quadrant of the city.

00:32:36.540 It's bound by freeways and river and so on.

00:32:41.240 And so it's a little bit isolated.

00:32:44.520 And it's also a fifth of the population, a little less than 20%.

00:32:53.160 So while it's a larger geographical area, it's a small population.

00:32:57.260 It's got the youngest population in the city and the lowest income population in the city

00:33:03.480 and its highest minority community.

00:33:07.640 And 50% African-American.

00:33:10.420 Was it safe?

00:33:11.720 Did it feel safe?

00:33:12.700 It was a high crime or what?

00:33:13.840 It was the least safe community, traditionally.

00:33:18.780 Right.

00:33:19.480 But we had been making progress, I would say, on crime over time, gradually.

00:33:28.520 How?

00:33:29.300 That was a big part of what we were doing there in terms of, for the last quarter century,

00:33:34.580 working in partnership with the police, with our neighbors, with the Police Athletic League,

00:33:40.640 you know, with the city and really worked block club meetings and national night out and door

00:33:47.760 knocking.

00:33:48.720 And, you know, we started an organization called the Peace Foundation, Public Engagement, Community

00:33:53.460 Empowerment, and really felt like, like we knew we had a higher level of crime than the rest

00:34:01.720 of the city, but felt like we were making a lot of progress.

00:34:05.860 And were you working with the police?

00:34:09.220 I mean, what was your experience in dealing with the police?

00:34:12.660 Because, of course, we've heard all sorts of different accounts in different pockets

00:34:16.320 of the country.

00:34:17.420 Yeah.

00:34:17.620 Well, we've, you know, over the 25 years, we have been working closely with the police

00:34:25.360 because even though we were intensely engaged community members, they were our last resort,

00:34:33.540 our backup people.

00:34:34.500 And so we, with all the block clubs and neighborhood organization activities and so on, and strategies,

00:34:42.620 the police were the people we called when things fell apart or when things got beyond our

00:34:48.680 capacity.

00:34:50.540 Sure.

00:34:50.760 And so I became a council member out of that whole movement of neighborhood engagement.

00:34:56.540 And my neighbors asked me to run after we'd kind of succeeded in tamping down crime in

00:35:02.180 our community, our little neighborhood.

00:35:06.200 And then we started the Peace Foundation.

00:35:10.500 And Sandra then took over the Peace Foundation and that morphed into the Northside Achievement 1.00

00:35:16.100 Zone, modeled after the Harlem Children's Zone, to address the whole Northside crime through

00:35:24.440 education and whole family support.

00:35:29.840 But I do want to add, though, Megan, while we work with the police, it is true that the

00:35:36.140 police police black low-income communities differently.

00:35:39.600 And though we were never harmed personally, we knew several stories of black young men who

00:35:47.140 had been harassed by the police.

00:35:49.360 Yeah.

00:35:49.500 We knew several stories of a different response to our white neighbors who would call the police

00:35:56.240 versus when we did.

00:35:57.460 Dramatically.

00:35:58.080 Dramatically different, Megan.

00:35:59.360 And in fact, one of our white female neighbors, white, blonde hair, blue eyes, you know, single 1.00

00:36:09.960 mom, she said that when she would call the police for various things, they would say, why do you

00:36:15.660 live in this neighborhood anyway?

00:36:17.400 You know, you shouldn't even be here.

00:36:19.400 We never heard that.

00:36:20.560 We never heard that.

00:36:21.300 One of the older white couples who moved like right after we moved in, they said that the

00:36:27.440 police would follow their daughter home, their white daughter from high school. 0.57

00:36:32.520 She went to North High to make sure she was safe in our neighborhood. 0.97

00:36:36.720 They would drive slowly behind her.

00:36:38.780 Behind her to protect her.

00:36:39.340 All the way home from school.

00:36:41.040 Yeah.

00:36:41.560 And so, and then Donna's council person, you heard the stories.

00:36:45.140 Yeah.

00:36:45.460 And by the way, we are among the highest income people in our neighborhood.

00:36:49.280 So it's not a class thing.

00:36:51.540 It's a race.

00:36:52.060 And so, yeah, and then I was on the council and I saw, you know, I was sat in on the closed

00:36:59.500 sessions where lawyer, lawyer, client privilege allowed us to not have an open meeting.

00:37:08.280 And so we could look, review cases and so on.

00:37:11.480 And yes, you saw videotapes of cops kicking people and we had to settle cases because they

00:37:17.100 had violated the city's policies and had gone beyond the pail and punching and so on and

00:37:24.140 yanking out of their heads and so on.

00:37:27.120 Where did that leave you, you know, emotionally, right?

00:37:30.060 Because you're saying you needed them as a last resort.

00:37:32.500 Right.

00:37:32.800 I'm sure you had some positive interactions with them.

00:37:35.240 Lots of positives.

00:37:36.000 Lots of positives.

00:37:36.620 But also this other disturbing strain.

00:37:40.080 So like, how were you, pre-George Floyd, how are you feeling about the police?

00:37:43.580 A little helpless about that part, because we had kind of, I guess you could say, almost

00:37:51.000 resigned ourselves to it because it was such an unfixable issue with the union, the power

00:37:59.120 of the union over the years to accumulate privileges.

00:38:03.240 Every negotiation point over the decades and decades would result in some bargaining that

00:38:10.900 would accrue power, more and more power to the union to negotiate on behalf of their

00:38:16.480 members and to insulate the membership.

00:38:19.940 And so by the time, you know, a new council member, a new council and mayor come in, the

00:38:25.300 insulation is so thick and you're still trying to make concessions, right?

00:38:30.820 You're still trying to put a pause on wages because the economy is down and so on.

00:38:35.920 And then you have to negotiate with the union for their, to pause their wages.

00:38:41.120 And then they want even more privileges.

00:38:44.100 That's how it works.

00:38:45.100 And so instead of actually shrinking the insulation, the insulation keeps getting padded with every

00:38:51.540 point of negotiation.

00:38:54.140 And Megan, I want to add, but a kind of black life in America is, so on the ground, every 0.99

00:39:01.960 officer was not Officer Chauvin, right?

00:39:04.320 So we have great friends who are police, right?

00:39:09.020 And, and who we wouldn't be able to live in North Minneapolis without them.

00:39:12.580 And at the same time, there's so many systems levels.

00:39:16.300 And Don's mentioning that with the union so that Don, you've mentioned that 50% of the

00:39:21.440 time and three police chiefs worked under you when he was on city council, Megan, and 50% 0.97

00:39:27.100 of the time when a chief would fire a police officer like Chauvin, 50% of the time, because

00:39:35.600 of union negotiations, they would be forced to rehire them.

00:39:39.680 Wow.

00:39:40.200 And so, yeah.

00:39:41.520 And so then the, so then the chief starts to, to check, check his actions.

00:39:47.720 He would not recommend a firing or fire someone unless he was absolutely sure that this one

00:39:56.100 would go through and half the time it wouldn't.

00:39:58.900 So that meant not only would half of the bad guys come back, but then some bad guys wouldn't

00:40:04.900 even get fired because the chief felt like it wasn't even worth it.

00:40:08.500 This is reminding me of what we see sometimes with the teachers unions, where you cannot

00:40:13.560 get rid of bad teachers.

00:40:14.900 Same thing.

00:40:15.340 Same thing.

00:40:16.000 Right?

00:40:16.300 The union's so powerful and who ends up suffering?

00:40:19.120 The community.

00:40:20.300 The community.

00:40:20.660 And the worst, the thing they have in common is that in both cases, it's the African American 1.00

00:40:26.120 community that suffers the most.

00:40:28.320 And so the general racism in the society allows adult prerogatives to supersede black children's

00:40:39.760 and black population prerogatives because it's not worth changing for that population.

00:40:45.480 Right.

00:40:46.200 So that's sort of where you were.

00:40:47.840 Then George Floyd happens, which was disturbing to the country.

00:40:51.380 And Minneapolis started like the city council then and the mayor started talking about defund

00:40:58.460 the police.

00:40:59.300 They did defund the police to the tune of several million dollars.

00:41:03.260 And they started making all sorts of statements about how they were going to stop training the

00:41:07.160 police and they were going to not rehire for the positions that police started to vacate

00:41:11.520 in droves, you know, sort of like, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

00:41:15.400 And by the way, we have no desire to replace your position.

00:41:17.980 And how did that manifest in your neighborhood?

00:41:21.780 Did you see the results of that soon?

00:41:25.440 One thing, Megan, the mayor has never been for defunding.

00:41:28.980 So he's a Democratic mayor who is basically on an island.

00:41:32.960 And we have a weak mayor system. 0.54

00:41:34.980 So 13 council members of the different wards in the city.

00:41:38.900 And in fact, he is reviled and has been humiliated because he would not agree to defunding.

00:41:48.900 So I just want to stress that.

00:41:49.960 Jacob Fry.

00:41:50.500 Jacob Fry.

00:41:50.900 Yeah, Jacob Fry.

00:41:51.800 Never.

00:41:52.420 I mean, they came to his condo downtown and demanded he say that he, after the city council

00:41:58.900 did it, that he would defund them.

00:42:01.620 And he said, I'm not going to say that.

00:42:03.300 No, no and no.

00:42:04.860 And they cursed at him.

00:42:07.260 And, you know, so just so you know.

00:42:09.400 So they got it through without him.

00:42:11.200 That's possible.

00:42:11.880 City council can defund without the mayor's blessing.

00:42:13.980 Absolutely.

00:42:14.180 City council ultimately approves the budget.

00:42:17.380 And then they can make decisions through the budget to impact the police.

00:42:22.480 Yes, absolutely.

00:42:23.240 So what did you first start noticing?

00:42:25.600 You know, it's like, I will confess, not on this level at all, but even on the Upper West

00:42:29.800 Side of New York, where I live, you can start to see crime start to move into the area, homelessness

00:42:35.440 move into the area.

00:42:36.480 You could definitely see the lower police presence shortly after New York pulled a billion dollars

00:42:41.100 away.

00:42:41.680 And just there was general police malaise in the wake of, you know, all of them being

00:42:46.740 branded as racist and terrible.

00:42:48.140 And, you know, we saw attacks on cops, too.

00:42:49.960 So morale went down.

00:42:51.120 But so I mean, what I read is it was a it was an egregious and extremely dangerous situation

00:42:56.700 where you guys live.

00:42:57.920 Oh, yeah.

00:42:58.220 Everything was on the extreme, whatever you observed in upside, upper west side.

00:43:05.520 It was, you know, multiple times in our community because it's because of the historical trajectories

00:43:14.580 of where the population, our population being the most likely to be involved in the criminal

00:43:21.420 justice system.

00:43:22.980 Then we were the most likely to have people return to our community because COVID was they 0.99

00:43:29.800 reduce the populations in the jail for COVID.

00:43:33.340 We were the most likely to have children who did not have good connections to school through

00:43:38.540 Internet and so on and didn't have the kind of parents who were equipped to help them through

00:43:44.920 with their homework and schoolwork and, you know, work with them during COVID.

00:43:50.120 And, you know, every little inch and detail of quality of life, we were more impacted because

00:43:57.640 of income and class.

00:44:00.800 Wow.

00:44:01.400 That makes perfect sense.

00:44:02.580 I've never heard somebody pull it together like that.

00:44:04.580 Yes.

00:44:04.900 Right.

00:44:05.180 But what was happening with COVID with the kids, what's happening with the prisons going

00:44:09.100 and people being released going back to the neighborhoods.

00:44:11.400 And at the same time, the police are disappearing.

00:44:14.660 I can't imagine your frustration.

00:44:17.660 And then and then children started getting shot, which I just I mean, you know, Sandra, I

00:44:24.780 can't imagine I was reading in the account of what happened when you guys had a community

00:44:29.780 block meeting not long ago and a little eight year old and a little three year old coming

00:44:35.440 to you about the some odd 60 gunshots that were heard during the course of the meeting.

00:44:40.400 Oh, yeah.

00:44:41.960 Megan, you heard that.

00:44:43.320 Yeah.

00:44:44.140 And it was my first time in the neighborhood, you know, being there for close to 25 years

00:44:49.440 and raising our three daughters there and never wondering, Megan, if they were going to make

00:44:54.680 it home, you know.

00:44:56.920 But it was my first time looking at one of our frightened neighbors, her daughter, and

00:45:02.240 and saying, you know, it's it'll be OK, you know, we're going to protect you.

00:45:08.040 And I knew I wasn't telling the truth, that I wasn't sure, like like for the first time

00:45:13.700 in my 55 years, I felt like as an adult in my community, I was impotent when it came to

00:45:21.100 protecting our children and couldn't promise really that she would be OK.

00:45:25.880 And it has been, Megan, that's the thing, it is it has been an onslaught.

00:45:32.820 And this is the other thing I do want to add, the murder of George Floyd, also on top of

00:45:38.500 the COVID and everything that was happening in community and what's happening with the

00:45:42.260 courts.

00:45:43.020 And by the way, the courts are releasing violent offenders.

00:45:47.720 It's one thing to let people go who are not violent.

00:45:50.540 It's another thing when the police arrest and and they are right back out on the street.

00:45:57.540 Violent folks who are carjacking people at gunpoint.

00:46:00.660 Carjacking has gone up crazy, too.

00:46:02.560 But the other thing also, Megan, that the bandaid got ripped off was the racial pain,

00:46:09.260 the trauma associated with yet again another unarmed black person being killed.

00:46:14.140 So all of that made for a perfect storm.

00:46:18.360 And we are disproportionately impacted.

00:46:21.200 Ten-year-old LaDevion Garrett shot in the head, driving with his father in our neighborhood.

00:46:27.780 He's still struggling for his life.

00:46:30.320 He's alive.

00:46:31.660 And this was all within the last couple of months.

00:46:34.260 But we don't know what the quality of his life will be, even if he and we pray that he

00:46:40.560 survives.

00:46:41.140 A nine-year-old Trinity Addison Smith, she was shot while jumping on a trampoline just

00:46:49.040 a block from our home at a party.

00:46:52.520 And she was shot in the head.

00:46:54.260 She did not survive.

00:46:55.780 And then there was six-year-old Anaya, who we call Naya Allen.

00:47:00.420 And she was shot at coming, getting a happy meal with her mom in the car, in the head.

00:47:06.520 And Anaya didn't survive either.

00:47:08.380 Since we, over this weekend, Megan, or I don't know what day it is now, Tuesday, another three-year-old

00:47:15.060 was shot in our neighborhood.

00:47:17.080 One was shot just a week ago.

00:47:19.080 A nine-month-old, a bullet grazed.

00:47:21.660 I mean, we've never.

00:47:24.020 And then, I mean, the shootings.

00:47:26.000 We are up 19% of all the shooting victims in the city, Megan.

00:47:31.920 We're up 19% in our precinct.

00:47:34.960 We're precinct four.

00:47:36.240 That's North Minneapolis.

00:47:38.600 166 people shot.

00:47:40.820 The next highest is 88 people shot.

00:47:44.400 So we are by far 50% of the victims who were shot in the city.

00:47:48.820 And, but we, but the uptick is not as big as in some neighborhoods in Minneapolis that

00:47:56.040 are more affluent and have never seen this level of violence and are seeing it now.

00:48:01.340 So it's devastating for us.

00:48:03.520 And then when you, when you hear 166 people shot in one part of this lowest population part

00:48:10.080 of the city, it seems like, okay, people got grazed, people got, you know, but one, one

00:48:17.360 example, for instance, to show you how anonymous these folks are, when Anaya was shot in the

00:48:24.940 head and killed, a high schooler was shot, the same incident, and was paralyzed.

00:48:33.780 Nobody mentions that because it's such a minor part of the demographic story.

00:48:40.080 But when you hear 166 people killed in our community, you better believe that there's 1.00

00:48:49.740 a significant amount of those people who have been maimed.

00:48:52.980 Yes.

00:48:53.900 And paralyzed.

00:48:55.080 It's stomach turning.

00:48:56.440 This is making me sick to my stomach.

00:48:58.700 Thinking about these littles getting shot, their lives snuffed out on the way home from

00:49:03.620 McDonald's doing nothing, sitting with their moms. 0.71

00:49:05.820 I mean, the amount of trauma that is being heaped in your community, that each, even one

00:49:12.360 of those would have resonating effects.

00:49:15.200 But so many in such a short time.

00:49:17.600 Yeah.

00:49:17.920 Our neighbors are on medication.

00:49:20.020 Yeah.

00:49:20.260 One, one of the eight of us who, one family, two, two of the eight people who filed a lawsuit

00:49:27.340 with us, they had to move from their home where they've lived for about 15 years.

00:49:32.800 We are great.

00:49:33.420 Our great neighbors.

00:49:35.840 At the two houses down from us.

00:49:37.680 Yeah.

00:49:38.020 Because their child, one of their children began to be traumatized.

00:49:41.800 Their 11 year old started sleeping on his parents' floor for months and began to have

00:49:47.900 all kinds of full sweat, psychos, shaking, psychological problems.

00:49:52.980 And they had to move.

00:49:55.980 Up next, Don and Sandra have been working with police for a long time, you know, in tandem

00:50:01.160 with their community.

00:50:01.900 And they have noticed the cops are demoralized.

00:50:04.900 Can you blame them?

00:50:05.880 We'll get into that next.

00:50:07.280 But before we get to that, I want to bring you a feature we have here on the MK show called

00:50:11.020 Real Talk.

00:50:12.120 And that's basically where I get to talk about really whatever I want, whatever we

00:50:16.140 think is interesting you might want to hear about.

00:50:17.980 And today we're going to talk about Naomi Osaka because I've gotten, I got into more Twitter

00:50:23.440 fights.

00:50:23.760 I've been getting in a lot of Twitter fights lately for some reason.

00:50:26.200 I actually believe it's because the serious announcement came out recently and now the

00:50:29.900 left is super focused on me.

00:50:31.100 They really would love to destroy me.

00:50:32.580 Not just me, but anybody who's considered more of the right.

00:50:35.880 You know, the New York Times, I think it was the Times one after Ben Shapiro.

00:50:41.300 Recently, or they went after Black Rifle Coffee.

00:50:44.120 It's just like you can see sort of figures on the right or perceived right getting targeted

00:50:49.460 one by one.

00:50:50.480 That's fine.

00:50:51.120 I got this.

00:50:52.200 So I've been critical of Naomi Osaka, who I admire as a tennis player.

00:50:56.620 She's a young gal. 1.00

00:50:57.400 She's she's a killer on the court. 0.99

00:50:59.220 Number two in the world because she came out and objected to doing the press conferences 1.00

00:51:04.480 after the French Open.

00:51:05.520 Y'all remember that, right?

00:51:06.980 This is the same woman who wore BLM masks of various people killed by police, seven different

00:51:13.640 masks on her face during the US Open last year.

00:51:17.780 So she clearly has no problem inviting media coverage on her terms.

00:51:22.660 But the press conferences, I guess she sees differently.

00:51:25.960 And she sort of showed her cards about why she didn't like it first.

00:51:29.000 She said, look, I don't like what happens at these press conferences.

00:51:31.480 It feels like kicking a person when they're down.

00:51:33.780 And then she said, if organizations like this think they can just keep saying do press

00:51:38.000 or you're going to be fined and continue to ignore the mental health of the athletes that

00:51:42.420 are the centerpiece of their cooperation, then I just got to laugh.

00:51:46.340 And the French Open said, well, we do think we're going to fine you because all the athletes

00:51:50.120 talk to the press after the press is the people's representatives.

00:51:54.000 And now you got to do it.

00:51:55.240 And they were supported by all the Grand Slams.

00:51:57.580 And so and by the way, this is the highest paid female athlete in the world. 0.98

00:52:00.160 OK, Naomi Osaka made $55 million last year, thanks to her public image, brought to you

00:52:06.180 by the press.

00:52:06.920 That's really how you get to know these athletes and these superstars.

00:52:10.380 Well, then there was pushback, right?

00:52:12.760 Then a bunch of athletes actually sort of came out and said, this is kind of, you know, we

00:52:16.440 all have to do it.

00:52:17.340 We don't we don't really love it.

00:52:19.120 But, you know, you're not alone.

00:52:20.680 And if we have to do the press, so do you.

00:52:23.540 There was more pushback than that, including by the Grand Slam tournaments.

00:52:26.700 And she then came out and expanded on the mental health messaging.

00:52:32.740 But the problem for Naomi and where I sort of got convinced that this might not be the

00:52:38.100 full story was her sister came out.

00:52:40.700 Her sister came out at the same time and sort of gave it up and said, look, tennis players 0.99

00:52:44.720 don't get paid for press conferences.

00:52:46.500 They get paid when they win.

00:52:48.600 And she said, and this is me quoting the older sister, Naomi mentioned to me before the tournament

00:52:53.620 that a family member had come up to her and remarked that she's bad at clay.

00:52:57.760 OK, a family member at every press conference, she's told she has a bad record on clay when

00:53:03.020 she lost in Rome.

00:53:04.140 She was not OK mentally.

00:53:05.520 Her confidence was completely shattered.

00:53:07.260 And I think that everyone's remarks and opinions have gotten into her head.

00:53:10.460 And she herself believed she was bad on clay.

00:53:13.260 Maria Osaka wrote, this isn't true.

00:53:15.720 And she knows that in order to do well and have a shot at winning Roland Garros, that's

00:53:19.160 the French Open, she will have to believe that she can.

00:53:22.380 That's the first step any athlete needs to do.

00:53:24.240 Believe in themselves.

00:53:25.420 So her solution was to block everything out.

00:53:27.760 No talking to people who are going to put doubt in her mind.

00:53:30.440 She's protecting her mind, hence why it's called mental health. 1.00

00:53:35.080 So many people are picky on this term, thinking you need to have depression or some sort of disorder

00:53:39.440 to be able to use the term mental health.

00:53:42.020 And then she goes on to talk about how tennis players don't get paid for press conferences.

00:53:45.200 They get paid when they win.

00:53:46.620 So there you have it from her sister.

00:53:48.420 That's the truth.

00:53:49.860 She says it.

00:53:50.840 We're not talking about depression.

00:53:52.280 We're talking about trying to keep negative people out of your head.

00:53:54.940 I get it.

00:53:56.120 I get it.

00:53:56.920 I'm not an athlete, but I get it even in my business.

00:53:59.300 I don't like putting negative people in my head either.

00:54:01.760 But it's part of the job.

00:54:03.380 It's literally part of the conference.

00:54:05.060 And apparently she was wrong.

00:54:06.360 They do get paid for these press conferences because it's part of the whole deal that the

00:54:10.980 athletes agree to when they perform at these tournaments.

00:54:13.940 So I understand her feeling, but that's not a justification for you getting special treatment

00:54:20.660 over all the other athletes, many of whom also hate dealing with the press.

00:54:24.760 That's when Naomi came out and said, oh, no, no, no, no. 0.97

00:54:27.440 I've this is about me being an introvert, having huge waves of social anxiety before I speak

00:54:34.280 to the media that I had long bouts of depression since the U.S.

00:54:37.860 Open win in 2018.

00:54:39.920 And I can't I can't speak to the media because it just causes too much social anxiety for me.

00:54:45.040 Well, the media did what it does.

00:54:47.560 They laud anybody who says mental health.

00:54:50.100 You know, yes, yes.

00:54:51.160 Good for you.

00:54:51.840 Oh, you're a leader.

00:54:52.880 There's no more praising anybody for getting past a challenge like that.

00:54:56.420 Right.

00:54:56.640 Saying it's tough, but I did it.

00:54:58.300 It's more like lean into your your whatever, whatever your struggle is, you lean into it.

00:55:04.140 There's no overcoming it.

00:55:05.120 It's just surrender to it.

00:55:06.560 Don't muddle through.

00:55:07.740 Don't don't deal with the press and sort of emerge victorious.

00:55:10.820 Say I can't.

00:55:12.220 And the press will applaud you all day long.

00:55:15.380 This is where I started to turn on it saying she already gave it up.

00:55:18.180 The sister gave it up.

00:55:19.400 Now she made it sound super big because she was getting all this blowback.

00:55:23.040 And then on the on the heels of that, we find out that she has no problem doing press. 0.92

00:55:28.300 She's since she made this announcement and withdrew from the French Open under all the controversy.

00:55:32.980 She's been on the cover of Vogue Japan, Time, Sports Illustrated.

00:55:36.780 She's done a Netflix documentary, fashion deals.

00:55:39.480 And now she's even promoting a Barbie of herself.

00:55:41.640 This woman has no problem doing press just as long as nobody's asking about how she apparently 1.00

00:55:46.820 isn't very good on clay.

00:55:48.480 That's that is what my lawyerly background tells me is happening here.

00:55:53.820 You may disagree.

00:55:54.560 That's fine.

00:55:55.380 This is my opinion.

00:55:57.380 So Clay Travis tweeted out something about her magazine covers, and I sort of added on to

00:56:01.900 it saying, don't forget about these two.

00:56:03.680 And then she responded to me on Twitter.

00:56:06.980 OK, she actually responded saying she blocked me at the same time she responded to me, which

00:56:12.280 is not a very brave move.

00:56:14.660 But I saw it in a news article.

00:56:17.080 Anyway, it said, seeing as you're a journalist, I would have assumed you would take the time

00:56:22.720 to research what the lead times are for magazines.

00:56:26.100 And if you did that, you would have found out I shot all my covers last year.

00:56:29.920 Well, I understand that a lot of those big magazines, Vogue and probably Sports Illustrated,

00:56:34.900 they have a three month lead time.

00:56:36.700 As for the time magazine piece that she wrote all about Roland Garros in that magazine, she

00:56:43.960 wrote an essay for the magazine about her decision to withdraw from the French Open.

00:56:48.740 And that was after she was she was fined for refusing to take part in the mandated news

00:56:53.580 conferences.

00:56:53.920 So that 100 percent came after that did not happen three months prior to Roland Garros.

00:56:59.660 So the point is she'll do press if on her terms.

00:57:03.820 She just doesn't want to do press that asks her tough questions.

00:57:06.940 I get it.

00:57:07.980 It's just not the way her business works.

00:57:09.720 And that is why people like Rafa Nadal have come out and said this is me quoting him.

00:57:15.380 We as athletes need to be ready to accept questions and produce answers without the press

00:57:18.820 who are writing the news.

00:57:20.220 We wouldn't be the athletes we are today.

00:57:21.820 We would not be that popular.

00:57:24.300 This is me adding on.

00:57:25.480 We would not have fifty five million dollars in endorsement deals like Naomi does. 1.00

00:57:29.780 Ashley Barty, world's number one, said speaking to the press is part of the job.

00:57:33.480 We know what we're signing up for.

00:57:35.120 Even the Women's Tennis Association came out and said, look, we understand the importance

00:57:39.780 of mental health, but professional athletes have a responsibility to to deal with their

00:57:46.660 fans, to deal with the media, to speak to the media surrounding their competition.

00:57:51.700 And since then, you've had people like Boris Becker come out and said, look, if you can't deal

00:57:54.980 with the media, it's very difficult to be a professional tennis player.

00:57:57.780 He said it's part of the job.

00:57:59.340 A lot of us don't like it, but it's part of the job.

00:58:01.700 And then he went on to say her claim that this is just too pressure filled, doesn't

00:58:05.180 hold up.

00:58:05.820 You know, like he made the point of like, look at these people who are dealing with the

00:58:09.060 loss of their businesses, the loss of their jobs.

00:58:11.020 That's pressure.

00:58:12.200 Speaking to the media, asking about how you're not that great on clay.

00:58:15.340 That's not pressure.

00:58:16.340 And we shouldn't be bending over backwards to say that she's a hero for saying that, you

00:58:20.680 know, for saying she can't handle it.

00:58:21.760 I see all of that.

00:58:23.500 I will note just as an aside that Martina Navarrola, she decided to weigh in on this. 0.53

00:58:28.420 And that's probably my favorite, favorite part of the whole dust up.

00:58:31.840 She actually called me an asshole for my tweet, right?

00:58:36.780 Like saying she blocked me.

00:58:39.480 And I guess she's not that tough unless she's on the court. 0.81

00:58:41.400 So she called me.

00:58:42.840 So I responded.

00:58:44.500 And then I will read it to you.

00:58:46.840 Actually, being an asshole, as you so elegantly put it, is calling for riots everywhere, as

00:58:51.460 you did after George Floyd died while you sat in one of your mansions in zero danger.

00:58:56.120 Nineteen people died in said riots, including David Dorn.

00:58:58.920 Now you want to pretend you care about others, please.

00:59:01.380 And the other thing about Martina, which I also pointed out, was this woman was among

00:59:05.660 those who piled up on Naomi when she first made her.

00:59:08.660 And Martina came out and said, this is not a mental health issue.

00:59:13.620 It's a mental issue.

00:59:14.940 And then told Naomi to, quote, woman up. 1.00

00:59:17.920 Then she got all this blowback and suddenly she wants to be her champion.

00:59:22.060 I respect you more if you just be honest, right?

00:59:24.200 Like you're either for her from the beginning or not.

00:59:26.540 But like, let's not pretend you're her champion because you're not.

00:59:29.880 Anyway, petty dust ups to some extent.

00:59:32.040 But I also, to me, it underscores how you must have one view in today's day and age,

00:59:38.400 right, or they're going to pile on you.

00:59:40.240 I have to accept Naomi's statements that she can't deal with any media unless it's Vogue

00:59:46.600 or Time or Sports Illustrated and unless it was prior to Roland Garros.

00:59:50.440 I have to.

00:59:51.060 I'm not allowed to doubt that.

00:59:53.100 Why not?

00:59:54.300 What a journalist job is, frankly, to be skeptical.

00:59:56.760 It's not to be a cheerleader for the for, you know, all the people that we cover.

01:00:02.000 And I just think that the pushback to try to silence opinions that are nuanced and maybe

01:00:07.440 off the sort of beaten path where everybody's going is problematic.

01:00:12.220 Right.

01:00:12.620 It troubles me.

01:00:14.280 And I think it's part of the reason that the trust in media is so low and we're so fractured

01:00:18.280 as a country.

01:00:19.340 So, look, I wish her all the best.

01:00:21.640 I hope she bailed on Wimbledon.

01:00:23.340 She's apparently going to the Olympics.

01:00:25.100 I hope she wins and I hope she represents the country and kick some butt. 1.00

01:00:29.060 I also hope that she gets honest with herself and and realizes that the more you lean into

01:00:34.220 challenges, however real they may be, and conquer them, the stronger you are.

01:00:40.640 And that's the example I'd like to set for my own daughter.

01:00:43.140 And I hope more women set for theirs. 1.00

01:00:45.860 So I'll leave it at that.

01:00:47.140 And I'd love your thoughts on it.

01:00:49.340 You can submit them by going subscribing to the show, downloading the show, and you can

01:00:54.940 leave me a review.

01:00:55.700 Five stars would be lovely.

01:00:57.340 And your thoughts on the whole back and forth.

01:01:00.380 OK, now back to our stars, Sandra and Don.

01:01:04.340 Is it true that there have been no arrests in these cases you just mentioned?

01:01:13.620 There have been.

01:01:14.400 Not in the not in the shot, the the children's shot.

01:01:17.760 Oh, yeah.

01:01:18.320 Not in the children's shot.

01:01:19.400 No, no, no, no, no.

01:01:20.500 Sorry.

01:01:20.960 You're right, Megan.

01:01:21.820 Yes.

01:01:22.480 My gosh.

01:01:23.560 So far, no justice.

01:01:24.900 And so those people are still out there.

01:01:26.180 They're still out there.

01:01:26.960 Right.

01:01:27.460 And the cops, of course, not only were the cops defunded, they were also demoralized.

01:01:32.800 Right.

01:01:33.280 You know, there was this whole concept of you guys are bad guys.

01:01:37.040 You all are.

01:01:38.080 You all are.

01:01:38.740 You're all chauvin.

01:01:39.680 You're all chauvin.

01:01:40.460 We don't like you.

01:01:41.400 We want to get rid of you. 0.86

01:01:42.740 Right.

01:01:42.960 And so there's been a kind of naive type of leadership, totally misunderstanding the impact

01:01:50.000 of negative feedback and criticism on the workforce.

01:01:57.700 You know, at the end of the day, they're the workforce.

01:02:00.020 And if you constantly are putting down your workers, even though some of them are not good

01:02:06.240 workers, everybody's going to be eventually demoralized.

01:02:11.200 There have been studies showing that, right, that where police misbehave or, you know, commit

01:02:16.040 an egregious act and it's handled on a local level.

01:02:18.820 The police officers punished, fired, what have you.

01:02:22.780 Things can get better.

01:02:24.420 But when it becomes a big national story and it winds up on loop, you know, on some national

01:02:28.780 news program over and over and over and the narrative gets started that the cops are

01:02:32.500 bad, the cops are all racist, the cops are all this, that, the other thing, police pull

01:02:36.140 back.

01:02:37.180 Yeah.

01:02:38.120 And they're spitting.

01:02:39.020 They're spitting at cops, you know, they're spitting, yelling at cops, throwing things.

01:02:43.600 Yeah.

01:02:43.860 And when the cops come to help, people are yelling at them.

01:02:46.920 And, and, and, and one of the things, Megan, I tell you is so, and like you were mentioning

01:02:52.280 when it's, when it's handled on a local level, what, what, what period we're in now in our

01:02:57.220 history in this country is that it's no longer just local because we have smartphones.

01:03:03.020 So this is national, the, the part of the force that is racist, that does abuse communities

01:03:10.480 of color, they're now on blast.

01:03:13.460 And so that has gone viral.

01:03:16.460 Repeatedly.

01:03:17.260 Repeatedly.

01:03:17.780 Across every city.

01:03:19.660 Everybody's had the shared experiences.

01:03:21.920 And so all of that trauma is swelling up in this perfect storm.

01:03:27.440 Right.

01:03:27.960 Right.

01:03:28.280 Is that a good thing or a bad thing, Sandra?

01:03:30.200 That, that, you know, the bad cops now, we can't see them again.

01:03:33.440 It's both.

01:03:33.940 Both are good.

01:03:34.560 Right.

01:03:35.020 It's both.

01:03:35.740 But how we handle it.

01:03:37.480 Yeah.

01:03:37.820 That is.

01:03:38.860 That could make it a good thing.

01:03:39.800 That's what, that's the challenge.

01:03:42.000 And so far our city council and many, many councils, you know, across the country are not,

01:03:49.580 they're handling it irresponsibly, naively, and dangerously.

01:03:55.080 And that's this big overarching sweep that we are defunding and abolishing the police.

01:04:01.840 And we don't care what the collateral damage is.

01:04:05.940 So a few folks got to die.

01:04:07.480 And by the way, they're all going to look like Don and I in Minneapolis of all of the

01:04:12.520 people shot year to date, 83% of those people are black, Megan.

01:04:16.760 And we only make up 19% of the city.

01:04:20.200 Okay.

01:04:20.560 Wow.

01:04:21.060 So.

01:04:21.620 And it seems as if the activist community are considering that to be the necessary collateral

01:04:29.180 damage for progress.

01:04:30.840 Right.

01:04:31.300 Because they're not talking about it.

01:04:33.480 What's the racial makeup of the, of the city council?

01:04:36.460 Do you know?

01:04:37.480 Oh, they're, it's pretty diverse.

01:04:40.740 Yeah.

01:04:41.040 So the two, our two council people who cover North Minneapolis are both defunders, for example.

01:04:46.880 Yeah.

01:04:47.180 And they're our, they're covering the most.

01:04:49.980 They're our, the most, the place where 80, where, where all the folks are, look like us

01:04:54.540 who are getting shot and killed.

01:04:55.940 All the children that we mentioned, Megan, we didn't say it, but they're all African-American.

01:05:00.340 Mm-hmm.

01:05:01.420 Why don't, why don't those two city council members take a look at that? 1.00

01:05:04.660 I mean, you think, you ask yourself, how can they be in favor of defunding?

01:05:08.420 Exactly.

01:05:08.980 Exactly.

01:05:09.500 That's where we're, we're, we're befuddled by that as well.

01:05:12.680 And we were shocked when we saw them have the big defund announcement last summer on

01:05:17.820 CNN.

01:05:18.900 And by the way, that is in defiance of the polls.

01:05:23.060 Of the polls.

01:05:23.660 That show that.

01:05:24.840 That most African-Americans. 0.95

01:05:26.480 African-Americans, yeah.

01:05:27.040 Are opposed to that.

01:05:28.140 Yeah.

01:05:28.300 Don't want that.

01:05:29.360 That's right.

01:05:29.800 I mean, I've been saying that just in my neighborhood, like I live in a doorman building.

01:05:33.400 I'm going to be fine.

01:05:34.560 I, I'm not out there calling for defunding the police, even though I see that they're

01:05:38.280 by far from perfect, I won't have to pay the penalty, right?

01:05:42.320 I understand it's black and brown communities in, in some of the more crime rooted areas 1.00

01:05:47.540 who, and you know, moms and dads and kids who are going to have to deal with this, which

01:05:52.000 is why it's so irritating where I live to see.

01:05:53.880 It's usually white women wearing Lululemon, you know, and a sign trying to make pronouncements 1.00

01:05:59.680 for communities that they have no real connection to.

01:06:03.120 Yes.

01:06:04.300 Make it, it is so funny you said that.

01:06:07.080 So, you know, all the drama with George Floyd Square, how they had blocked it off and you

01:06:12.220 couldn't get in and they weren't letting media in and, you know, at different times.

01:06:16.840 But when you, when you would go, it was becoming a garrison community, right?

01:06:21.780 And when you, when you went, we went, you know, a couple of times there were, it was white 0.86

01:06:27.460 young women who were standing guard and manning these little booths, you know, when you would 1.00

01:06:34.340 come in and, and I mean, they were like, they're in force and it was like, oh my goodness,

01:06:40.560 like you get to say whether George Floyd Square is open or not.

01:06:44.840 And you get to say whether we can, whether we can come.

01:06:48.620 Well, they didn't, of course, they didn't say anything to us.

01:06:50.620 They were saying it to media for sure.

01:06:53.260 But yeah, it is, it is the most, it is absolutely.

01:06:57.240 And because Megan, here's the deal.

01:06:59.260 We have to do both.

01:07:00.840 And we have to reform the system of policing.

01:07:04.320 We talked about what, I mean, we are adamant about that.

01:07:07.840 And we have an African-American police chief who grew up in Minneapolis.

01:07:14.500 And I mean, Megan, if you met Chief Arradondo, you'd want to be his best friend.

01:07:19.060 And he's competent.

01:07:20.620 He's not just nice, he's competent.

01:07:22.940 And he has a, he sued the police department himself as a police officer because of the racism,

01:07:28.860 but he didn't give up on the profession.

01:07:31.660 Right.

01:07:32.140 And ultimately became chief and has all kinds of things that he's working on in terms of reform.

01:07:38.880 Wait, didn't we see him testify?

01:07:40.760 Did we see him testify at the Chauvin trial?

01:07:42.920 Yeah, I remember him, of course.

01:07:44.480 Yes.

01:07:44.800 Saying that Chauvin's action violated every policy.

01:07:47.960 Violated everything.

01:07:49.580 Yes.

01:07:49.780 He was not on the side of Derek Chauvin.

01:07:51.440 People forget it was Chauvin, but it was a bunch of police officers against Chauvin at that trial.

01:07:56.000 Yes.

01:07:56.440 All right, so let me move forward to the lawsuit because I do want to get your thoughts on that.

01:08:00.360 So you guys, to your credit, and I'm now hearing your history about what you've done in your

01:08:04.260 own neighborhood, it makes more sense to me because you've been organized, you've been

01:08:08.160 active, you've been proactive.

01:08:10.040 So this starts happening and the deaths start happening and you, a team of eight, as I understand,

01:08:16.280 eight plaintiffs get together and file a lawsuit against the city council.

01:08:20.900 And I understand the mayor, I think you can explain that, but saying you've failed to

01:08:27.820 live up to the city charter, which requires that there be a certain number of police per

01:08:33.240 member of the citizenry and you've fallen below and you won.

01:08:39.060 Yeah.

01:08:40.160 It's amazing.

01:08:41.660 So tell me, how did you feel about the lawsuit and what was the reaction to it locally?

01:08:46.460 Well, you know, let me say that when we filed the lawsuit, we understood that this 740, 730

01:08:56.180 to 750 number that it will eventually be after the new census numbers come out was not even

01:09:04.300 adequate.

01:09:05.160 And that he's talking about of police officers for a city our size.

01:09:09.980 750 is what the charter requires for a population our size.

01:09:15.140 The city charter.

01:09:16.240 Yeah.

01:09:16.680 Got it.

01:09:17.440 But, but that's, that's 130 less than what, what the force is designed for.

01:09:26.600 Yeah.

01:09:27.060 And where you were a year ago.

01:09:29.220 Yeah.

01:09:29.560 Yeah.

01:09:29.860 Well, we were about a hundred, a hundred less than where we were a year ago.

01:09:33.620 Yeah.

01:09:33.980 Okay.

01:09:34.220 Yeah.

01:09:34.620 At the beginning of 2020, it was like 840.

01:09:37.660 840.

01:09:38.500 Right.

01:09:38.820 And they were projecting, I'm trying to get my numbers in front of me, but they were projecting

01:09:43.720 that the numbers were going to fall.

01:09:45.440 Okay.

01:09:45.600 Here it is.

01:09:46.080 They were saying by June of 2022, we'll have only 669 officers.

01:09:52.020 Yeah.

01:09:52.380 Right.

01:09:52.540 It's only 669.

01:09:53.720 So it was going in the wrong direction, which makes perfect sense when you understand they

01:09:57.340 had resolved, don't replace the people who are retiring.

01:10:00.520 Let's take away the budget.

01:10:01.980 You know, we don't even have the money to rehire.

01:10:04.200 Right.

01:10:04.560 So, so you win, you do, I mean, I love when people use the law, somebody who used to practice

01:10:09.160 law.

01:10:09.560 I just love, cause it's still there for us and you win that.

01:10:12.960 So now is it, is it, is it just total victory or is this just step one?

01:10:18.240 Step one.

01:10:18.840 Cause you know, the city is going to appeal.

01:10:20.740 Yeah.

01:10:21.100 And what they're saying is, and by the way, Megan, one thing I want to stress is we're not

01:10:26.140 demanding more police, right?

01:10:29.040 More police.

01:10:29.920 It's like, you know, you have a hundred dollars, I have a hundred dollars, Megan, and you steal

01:10:33.800 50 from me.

01:10:34.960 And I say, I want my 50 back.

01:10:36.980 And you say, oh, you want more money.

01:10:38.960 I mean, it's not more.

01:10:41.160 We just want to, and that's what the defunders are making it seem like that we just want a

01:10:45.900 police state.

01:10:46.900 More police.

01:10:47.260 And right.

01:10:47.820 We want a sufficient number of police.

01:10:51.280 Cause even what the judge said, you have to have at minimum 730 by June 22nd, I'm sorry,

01:10:59.800 June 2022.

01:11:02.080 That for us is, I mean, it's scary because that's a whole nother year, for example.

01:11:08.500 And 730 is a minimum.

01:11:11.680 It doesn't get us back even to where we were.

01:11:15.440 110 short of where we were.

01:11:17.280 So this is not more.

01:11:18.520 Yeah.

01:11:18.920 This is actually less.

01:11:20.440 Right.

01:11:20.760 It's less than what we had.

01:11:22.100 It's just a sufficient level for our city, which we actually don't believe is sufficient.

01:11:27.520 No, not anymore.

01:11:28.760 But, but we understand the charter and we're just saying, do, do what the charter says.

01:11:34.520 That's our, at least that's our document.

01:11:37.660 It's so crazy, you guys, that you, you can see the amount of change, the amount of protests,

01:11:41.520 the amount of riots in the street after George Floyd, which I understand.

01:11:45.200 I mean, it was horrific, but you don't see anything after these children, you know, like

01:11:51.400 where, where are all the protests for these three kids, for the little girls, for the

01:11:55.380 little boy who's on what life support right now.

01:11:57.580 And I've heard you saying, Sandra, you'll, you're, if you have to choose, if you had to

01:12:02.980 choose how your child died, was murdered, you, you would, you'd have to choose by a police

01:12:08.940 officer because then at least he'd get some attention.

01:12:12.080 Yeah.

01:12:12.260 Because we, we go to the visuals.

01:12:13.940 In the egregious, devastating event that that were to happen, right?

01:12:18.120 You want people to remember your child, to rally behind you, you know, to make sure the,

01:12:24.920 the perpetrator is apprehended and, and that's not happening.

01:12:29.480 To remember the anniversary of your child's death.

01:12:31.840 Yes.

01:12:32.120 I've heard grandmothers cry, Megan, and say, what about my child?

01:12:38.080 Yeah.

01:12:38.340 My grandchild, doesn't he deserve for people to come and rally around us, right?

01:12:45.680 And we have, we have vigils, you know, every time a child dies like that, we have vigils

01:12:52.100 and sometimes the vigils go on for days or weeks as a child is in the hospital.

01:12:57.040 And, you know, there'd be a couple dozen people, three dozen people, 50 people, but missing in

01:13:05.960 action is the protest community that attends when a police officer kills someone.

01:13:11.340 And so it's not then you, you, you have to deduce that the important thing for that community

01:13:17.620 is not the loss of life of an African-American.

01:13:21.400 It is the taking of life by a cop.

01:13:25.160 Right.

01:13:25.660 So it's not about the value of the, the one who died.

01:13:28.860 It's the value of the one who killed.

01:13:31.580 Right.

01:13:31.840 And, and so all black lives don't actually matter to, right? 0.99

01:13:37.720 Cop killers.

01:13:38.800 If a cop kills you, then your life matters.

01:13:40.940 Because if it did, they'd be taking a both and approach, Megan.

01:13:45.600 And they'd be saying, while we reform the police, the system of policing to stop this egregious

01:13:52.120 killing that happens across our country of unarmed black men and women, we also will work with 0.97

01:13:58.480 the police, um, on those reforms.

01:14:01.200 Yes.

01:14:01.900 And, and so that we have a sufficient level of police, the ones who actually got into the

01:14:09.160 profession because they care about society.

01:14:12.820 There are some police out there.

01:14:14.800 We will affirm them.

01:14:15.840 Yes.

01:14:16.180 We're going to affirm them.

01:14:17.600 Because they actually are taking care of the people we care about.

01:14:21.760 Yes.

01:14:22.300 Right?

01:14:22.960 Yeah.

01:14:23.100 So if you, if you make it about how the community is treated.

01:14:26.600 Yes.

01:14:26.780 About the children in the community.

01:14:28.720 Right.

01:14:29.120 Then it leads to a whole different set of habits and, and, and responses.

01:14:33.080 You start having.

01:14:33.840 Than what's happening now.

01:14:34.420 You start having, coming to a conclusion, um, that's wise.

01:14:38.960 Yeah.

01:14:39.640 What about.

01:14:40.260 You start saying to the community, hey guys, you can't do that.

01:14:42.800 You got to cooperate with the police and tell, if you know who took, who shot this child,

01:14:48.420 tell the police and stop this foolish, no snitching business.

01:14:52.520 Yeah.

01:14:52.860 They're not all the enemy.

01:14:54.780 You begin to make a whole, uh, different approach to the whole thing.

01:14:58.780 Don't leave me now.

01:14:59.760 We got more coming up in 60 seconds.

01:15:01.400 In June of 2020, the city council announced it would dismantle the police department and

01:15:09.760 quote, end policing as we know it.

01:15:11.100 And they said, we're going to replace cops with community-based public safety programs.

01:15:15.140 So that sounds, I guess, okay.

01:15:17.480 In theory.

01:15:17.900 I don't know what it is, a community-based public safety program.

01:15:20.460 I mean, I, my reaction from way over here is I think I'd rather have just a cop with a

01:15:25.300 gun.

01:15:25.580 If somebody was trying to carjack me, I don't know what the community-based public safety

01:15:29.220 program does, but what is that?

01:15:31.200 And what do you think of that?

01:15:33.060 Well, first, let me say that if you want community-based public safety, you can look at our neighbors

01:15:39.700 over the last 25 years that we've been there.

01:15:43.900 We've engaged with every neighbor who comes in and moves in.

01:15:47.600 You know, sometimes we overlook it when we got too busy or didn't notice.

01:15:52.340 We talk to them.

01:15:54.120 We have meetings.

01:15:56.080 We get neighbors together to deal with a particular problem property.

01:15:59.820 We go over to the house where the problem is occurring.

01:16:03.540 We talk to the people there.

01:16:04.800 We call their landlord.

01:16:06.360 We, it's going on.

01:16:07.860 And we have been doing it.

01:16:09.240 So it's kind of like, hey, guys, can we just be realistic about this?

01:16:15.340 Are you just talking about, you know, 30 guys walking up and down the street who don't

01:16:20.240 have any connection to the neighborhood?

01:16:21.880 Or are you talking about a real deeply integrated plan that's integrated into the neighborhood

01:16:27.920 itself?

01:16:29.140 This is back to your point of it's not either or.

01:16:31.900 It's both and.

01:16:33.520 But I do have a, so it has to be both and, Megan.

01:16:36.860 And so we would, we do have an office of violence prevention in Minneapolis.

01:16:40.200 And there's a lot of models around the country of getting people from the community who are

01:16:45.660 actually there building relationships and, and knowing who some, a lot of our violence

01:16:51.400 is gang related right now.

01:16:53.360 And in the city, a lot of it is gang related.

01:16:55.580 And so they know the gang members.

01:16:57.700 Some of them used to be gang members that works in tandem with policing.

01:17:04.580 And, and recently an armed robber fled to Minneapolis from St. Paul.

01:17:10.420 There was a chase.

01:17:11.480 He crashed.

01:17:12.580 And our African-American head of the precinct, Charlie Adams, he was there.

01:17:22.260 Other police were there.

01:17:23.280 They're trying to talk the guy down.

01:17:24.740 He said he was going to kill them or himself.

01:17:26.980 So they figured it was mental health.

01:17:29.640 Charlie, because he's from the neighborhood, he had police.

01:17:33.420 He didn't call for more police.

01:17:34.800 He called for some of the violence interrupters that he knew who were from the neighborhood.

01:17:39.680 And he called the kid's mom, the young man's mom, got his number because of the connections.

01:17:45.540 And she said, don't kill my son.

01:17:47.180 Don't kill my son.

01:17:47.840 And he said, ma'am, that's the last thing I want to do.

01:17:50.740 That's why I'm calling you.

01:17:52.460 And they were able to, with the police, with some folks from the community, actually talk

01:17:59.280 him out of that situation.

01:18:01.280 Right.

01:18:01.700 But the violence prevention folks weren't going to be able to do it by themselves.

01:18:06.300 And the police were able to de-escalate the situation with having some people there.

01:18:13.320 Now, that is a perfect scenario.

01:18:17.400 But you have to have policing.

01:18:21.060 That's the thing.

01:18:22.140 You have to have both and.

01:18:24.000 You guys have to hold up.

01:18:25.300 Do you ever think about running for office, one or both of you?

01:18:28.140 Yeah.

01:18:30.460 Seriously.

01:18:31.060 Megan, people ask us that all the time.

01:18:35.040 They're like, could one of you run?

01:18:37.080 Yes.

01:18:37.760 Do it.

01:18:38.840 Come on.

01:18:39.900 We need more practical solutions-based people out there instead of the far extremists.

01:18:47.340 You know, I don't want to listen to the lady in the Lululemon anymore. 0.60

01:18:50.660 Right?

01:18:51.260 I want people who are living it and actually trying to solve it out there at the pointy end

01:18:56.760 of the spear, trying to set policy.

01:18:58.640 Why did you get off the city council, Don?

01:19:00.080 You've got to get back on the city council.

01:19:02.060 And Sandra, yeah, I want something more city council. 1.00

01:19:04.900 I ran for mayor.

01:19:05.600 I had to get off the council to do that because both races are simultaneous. 1.00

01:19:09.840 Yeah.

01:19:10.300 Well, how do we get rid of Jacob Fry and get you in there?

01:19:15.620 We're actually, because Jacob is pro both and, we are supporting him.

01:19:21.760 Well, I'm not supporting him.

01:19:22.840 I want you.

01:19:23.880 Okay.

01:19:25.600 He's the same person in the room.

01:19:28.000 Yeah.

01:19:28.320 Do you guys have, in all seriousness, do you have any sort of, you know, pamphlet or

01:19:32.800 written materials on how you're doing this that people in other communities could see

01:19:37.740 so they could learn?

01:19:39.220 Yeah, because people have been calling and asking us.

01:19:42.600 And in fact, even in Minneapolis, there are other groups who want to sue the city.

01:19:48.220 Want to sue the city.

01:19:49.320 Yeah.

01:19:49.600 Because it seems to be now the only, when you're elected representatives ignore you.

01:19:57.360 Right.

01:19:57.660 It seems as if the only other choice is the law.

01:20:00.760 Right.

01:20:01.200 Right.

01:20:01.480 Until you can get them unelected.

01:20:03.240 Right.

01:20:03.780 And so we are, we are working passionately to get sensible, balanced people.

01:20:09.180 It's about being balanced.

01:20:10.960 Yeah.

01:20:11.280 Both and sensible.

01:20:12.880 We're not against anybody.

01:20:14.340 We're for people and for life.

01:20:16.420 Well, how can we help in the meantime, though?

01:20:19.040 Because as you say, they're going to appeal the ruling.

01:20:21.020 In the meantime, you don't have enough cops.

01:20:23.080 And I was just, I was talking to Larry Elder about Cori Bush, this representative out of

01:20:27.080 Missouri.

01:20:27.600 She's a defund the policer and just came out that she spent $70,000 on her own private 0.99

01:20:32.720 police force.

01:20:33.660 No.

01:20:34.000 It must be nice.

01:20:34.900 It must be nice.

01:20:35.860 No.

01:20:35.940 But you guys, I'm sure you don't have an extra $70,000 to hire a private security force

01:20:41.540 to control your neighborhood.

01:20:42.400 Where is this, Megan?

01:20:43.800 Cori Bush out of Missouri.

01:20:45.360 You know, she's a representative out of Missouri. 1.00

01:20:47.020 Yes.

01:20:47.840 She's big on the defund police.

01:20:50.100 Three of our city council members did the same thing, Megan.

01:20:53.540 They got private security.

01:20:54.860 They got private security.

01:20:55.580 On taxpayer dollar.

01:20:57.960 It's so infuriating.

01:20:59.140 When they felt threatened.

01:21:00.440 Yeah.

01:21:00.920 Oh my gosh.

01:21:01.580 Doesn't that drive you crazy?

01:21:03.120 Yeah.

01:21:03.340 Oh, no.

01:21:03.500 Yeah, it is crazy making.

01:21:04.660 Um, the, the big thing, Megan, is we, um, we're open.

01:21:08.380 We even had some folks from Portland call.

01:21:10.360 I haven't, um, we haven't had the meeting yet, but, um, yeah, people from all around the

01:21:15.180 country are asking how they do it.

01:21:16.920 We have a law firm, Upper Midwest Law Center, and want to give them a shout out.

01:21:21.400 They did our case pro bono, by the way.

01:21:24.080 And, um, and so they are talking to other people, but the main thing is that you get together

01:21:29.840 and we have to work on two fronts.

01:21:32.040 We work in terms of the law.

01:21:33.880 If you're, if your elected officials are not, um, working with you, then you have to find

01:21:39.320 a law firm that will support you and you just move, you know, you just, you just get it

01:21:46.200 going.

01:21:46.660 And by the way, we've talked about the people who lost lives, businesses, our economy is

01:21:54.040 imperiled right now, Megan.

01:21:55.880 And, and, and the people who are hurt first are the local black businesses, right? 0.67

01:22:03.540 Right.

01:22:04.140 Who can't stay open after the rioting and looting.

01:22:08.040 I mean, they have cried for George Floyd square to be reopened.

01:22:12.460 Corporations are leaving downtown Minneapolis.

01:22:15.300 They may not come back.

01:22:16.840 And again, it's a, it's a, uh, uh, uh, conspiracy of both COVID, but also the violence and knowing

01:22:23.620 that they have a city council that is saying, we don't care if you can't protect your employees

01:22:30.380 downtown, we're moving to abolish.

01:22:33.460 And we don't care, we don't care if you have to close your, your business, we don't care.

01:22:39.040 We don't care.

01:22:40.020 Yeah.

01:22:40.480 And, and in fact, but de facto, we don't care if your three children have to die.

01:22:46.280 That's just a collateral damage.

01:22:47.700 Yes.

01:22:48.120 We don't care for our economy.

01:22:49.720 And we, I mean, we're just going down, Megan, on so many fronts.

01:22:54.180 So, so the business community joining in, and we are partnered with the business community,

01:22:58.780 the chamber of commerce, um, joining in and really doing an all out.

01:23:03.580 If you are balanced, you have a balanced approach and you are middle of the road people, because

01:23:08.480 we don't want extremes on the right, nor on the left.

01:23:12.100 Right.

01:23:12.720 And, and Megan, the middle of the road people, we have to find those folks again and join with

01:23:19.280 them so that we save not just our cities, but our entire democracy.

01:23:24.340 And to hold up that middle, that sensible middle.

01:23:27.360 That sensible middle.

01:23:28.160 So that people can see that, oh, oh, there is a sense, sensible, sensibility out there.

01:23:35.720 There is a balanced voice.

01:23:38.120 There is something to come back to.

01:23:39.940 I am ready to fund your campaign.

01:23:41.880 I think we should go for the governor's mansion.

01:23:43.880 I don't think we should stop the mayor.

01:23:45.780 I love you too.

01:23:47.860 This is, it's so wonderful to just have such a bomb of sense dumped on us.

01:23:51.980 You know, it's like, usually I listen to the partisans who say like racial justice,

01:23:55.140 and then they're hurting people in the inner cities.

01:23:57.140 And you're like, well, I kind of want to object, but I don't want to be called mean names.

01:24:00.680 And then, you know, you hear people on the other side saying like Derek Chauvin did nothing

01:24:03.960 wrong.

01:24:04.320 And it's like, well, it's just so, it's so nice to hear you guys put it in terms.

01:24:10.800 Everyone can understand and get behind.

01:24:12.300 You just need a bigger platform.

01:24:13.600 You got to like, at least start a podcast, do something.

01:24:16.180 We need more of you.

01:24:19.000 Oh, you're kind, Megan.

01:24:20.220 You're very kind.

01:24:21.180 We appreciate it.

01:24:21.780 Yeah.

01:24:22.360 Good luck.

01:24:23.000 God bless you guys.

01:24:23.820 I'll continue to follow.

01:24:24.720 We'll continue to follow it on the show.

01:24:26.320 We'll say a prayer for that little boy too, still in the hospital and for all of you guys

01:24:30.180 in your community.

01:24:31.480 Oh, thank you, Megan.

01:24:32.500 Thank you very much, Megan.

01:24:33.000 All right.

01:24:37.620 Continuing with our daily release of these podcasts, we're gearing up now.

01:24:41.040 We're doing four a week.

01:24:42.340 Tomorrow, we've got another show for you and we're going to focus on what's happening in

01:24:45.440 Cuba.

01:24:46.360 And what about Hong Kong, right?

01:24:47.860 What about these pushes for independence and try to get rid of these oppressive regimes

01:24:51.880 over these countries?

01:24:53.540 Are they going anywhere?

01:24:54.540 And do you understand them?

01:24:56.420 I'd like to understand them better and I'm going to walk you through it.

01:24:58.560 We're going to keep it at 101.

01:25:00.240 So it's sort of a primer on both of those situations.

01:25:03.000 I think you'll appreciate it.

01:25:04.100 I hope you do.

01:25:04.940 And we'll talk then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 20, 2021

Defund The Police Consequences, with Larry Elder and Don and Sondra Samuels ｜ Ep. 131

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