The Megyn Kelly Show - Dem Elite Anoint Kamala, and Secret Service Director Finally Resigns, with Sen. Josh Hawley, Charlie Spiering, and Mike Baker

00:00:00.520 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.960 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.360 What exactly is the condition of the President of the United States?

00:00:18.980 It has been nearly a week since President Joe Biden was seen in public.

00:00:23.520 Since then, he has dropped out of the presidential race via a bizarre letter

00:00:27.940 that someone posted to his ex-account, we are told he will emerge from his Delaware home

00:00:34.060 and return to the White House at some point this afternoon.

00:00:37.400 He's expected now, just announcing, to address the nation tomorrow night from the Oval Office.

00:00:43.720 Will that be live or on tape? We'll follow it and bring it to you.

00:00:47.220 Plus, 10 days after the attempted assassination of former President Donald Trump,

00:00:51.560 and hours after one of the most disastrous, maybe the most disastrous,

00:00:56.260 hearing ever held on Capitol Hill, Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheadle has resigned.

00:01:03.800 I mean, her forced resignation was even more strong-armed than Joe Biden's from his second

00:01:09.120 campaign. I mean, both of them had to be forced out under pain of God knows what.

00:01:17.380 Both Democrats and Republicans, she united them all. I mean, she's kind of a miracle worker if you

00:01:22.220 think about it. She appeared before the House Oversight Committee yesterday, declining to answer

00:01:26.660 virtually any of the very basic questions from lawmakers, like how many agents were protecting

00:01:35.060 Mr. Trump? Who decided the security perimeters? Why weren't Secret Service agents aware of the threat

00:01:43.200 until seconds before the gunfire started? She was, as I mentioned, pummeled by both sides.

00:01:50.140 Mr. Director Cheadle's leadership, we question whether anyone is safe. Not President Biden,

00:01:58.440 not the First Lady, not the White House, and certainly not the presidential candidates.

00:02:03.040 Because Donald Trump is alive, and thank God he is, you look incompetent.

00:02:06.540 If Donald Trump had been killed, you would have looked culpable.

00:02:09.680 At this point, and I think that the director has lost the confidence of Congress.

00:02:14.060 You're full of shit today. You're just being completely dishonest.

00:02:17.500 Do you really, genuinely, in your heart, believe that you being in this role

00:02:20.940 is what's right for America at this moment?

00:02:23.840 Ma'am, you are a DEI horror story.

00:02:27.100 I believe your horrifying ineptitude, and your lack of skilled leadership is a disgrace,

00:02:31.280 and you should be fired immediately, and go back to Garden Doritos. Mr. Chairman, I'll yield back.

00:02:36.740 She did a stint doing private security for Pepsi, hence the reference there.

00:02:41.140 So she's out. But what now? Does that resolve it? Are we good now on the Secret Service and the

00:02:46.320 attempted assassination that took a man's life and almost took the life of our president,

00:02:49.980 our former president, Donald Trump? My first guest today has been talking to whistleblowers

00:02:54.340 in this investigation, who say law enforcement was stationed on the roof on which the shooter

00:03:02.520 positioned himself, but they abandoned it because it was too hot.

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00:04:15.660 Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri joins me now. Senator, great to see you again.

00:04:20.060 What?

00:04:20.940 Yeah, it's absolutely insane, Megan. It's insane. Here's with the whistleblowers,

00:04:24.480 the latest whistleblowers. We've had a number of them come forward to my office. Here's what the

00:04:28.820 latest said just yesterday, that in fact, law enforcement had designated at least one individual,

00:04:34.820 maybe more, but at least one, whose job it was to be on the roof, not in the vicinity,

00:04:40.500 not around, on the roof. And this person, I don't know if it was a he or a she, but this person,

00:04:45.640 according to the whistleblower, decided, oh, it's awfully hot that day. And so they abandoned their post,

00:04:50.920 never went back to the roof. And that is why the roof was left wide open. It wasn't because of the

00:04:56.460 slope, contrary to what the former Secret Service director said. No, it was because

00:05:00.940 this law enforcement individual just didn't want to be on there. But Megan, there's more.

00:05:06.080 Whistleblowers also tell me that law enforcement were supposed to be patrolling the perimeter of

00:05:11.320 that same building. I've been there, Megan. I've seen it myself. I went last week.

00:05:15.240 It took my own team because I don't trust any of these people to give us the truth.

00:05:19.660 It's American Glass Research building number six. Megan, it's a low roof. You've seen it. We've all

00:05:25.040 seen it now in pictures. It's a low slung building. There was supposed to be law enforcement patrolling

00:05:30.440 the perimeter. They weren't doing it either. Instead, because of the heat again, whistleblowers

00:05:36.820 tell me that law enforcement went inside the building. So you got the roof abandoned. You got law

00:05:42.220 enforcement inside the building in the air conditioning, and you have the building essentially

00:05:46.140 open. Megan, sometimes it's hard to see from the pictures, but I can tell you having been there,

00:05:50.780 there are air conditioning units, really large air conditioning units on either side of that

00:05:55.140 building. It's easy to get on that roof. I mean, it really is. It's a single story. Any able-bodied

00:06:01.300 individual could hop up on the air conditioning unit and hop up right onto the roof. You wouldn't even

00:06:05.420 need a ladder. If you had a ladder, it would be super easy. Any 20-year-old kid, which is what the

00:06:11.080 shooter was, who he was, could certainly do it. Law enforcement, according to whistleblowers, Megan,

00:06:16.020 left the building totally, totally defenseless. Oh, this is awful. When we say law enforcement,

00:06:21.620 do we mean local law enforcement as distinct from Secret Service?

00:06:25.760 Yes. So this is, the whistleblower said to me that Secret Service had asked local and or state

00:06:31.700 law enforcement to handle this and that they failed to do so. Now, I will just note, Megan,

00:06:36.980 that there's a lot behind the scenes here and not so behind the scenes in public. There's a lot of

00:06:41.660 attempts at blame shifting, and I'm even getting it from whistleblowers. We've got whistleblowers from

00:06:45.640 Secret Service World who are coming forward and saying, it's the locals' fault. And then I've

00:06:50.160 spoken to local law enforcement whistleblowers that don't blame us. It's the Secret Service's fault.

00:06:55.440 The Secret Service didn't even show up the way they were supposed to for the walkthrough plan with

00:06:59.660 local law enforcement. So it is unclear to me. This is why we need the facts. This is ridiculous. You've got

00:07:05.340 law enforcement on both sides pointing the fingers at each other. You've got a former

00:07:09.140 Secret Service director who would take no responsibility. But bottom line is this,

00:07:13.360 somebody was supposed to be on that roof. Somebody was supposed to be guarding that building.

00:07:18.980 Nobody did either. So the local law enforcement is delegated this task and Secret Service,

00:07:24.680 for some reason, put it outside the perimeter of the responsible area that Secret Service would have

00:07:30.180 to look after. And then it seems like they washed their hands of it. I mean, we had a former

00:07:33.780 Secret Service guy on the show a couple of days ago who was saying it doesn't matter whether it

00:07:37.520 was inside or outside the perimeter. Ultimately, it is the Secret Service's responsibility. And if

00:07:42.500 you're going to delegate it to local law enforcement, it's still your responsibility to make sure that

00:07:47.180 it's well protected. That plus the fact that we know Kim Cheadle lied about the reason they weren't

00:07:51.300 up there was a sloped roof isn't safe. Tells me they're running scared. They know it was on them.

00:07:59.340 And then we get her performance yesterday, which, yes, ultimately led to her being forced out over

00:08:04.280 her strong objection. But why wouldn't she give any names? I realize there's probably going to be

00:08:10.180 a public pylon when we figure out who put the area outside of the, you know, Secret Service

00:08:15.820 perimeter and so on. But that them's the facts like that's life. So why can't we get actual specifics?

00:08:22.920 Well, we need actual specifics. And the reason I think is, is that there doesn't want nobody wants

00:08:28.380 to be responsible for anything. Secret Service doesn't want to be responsible. DHS doesn't want

00:08:33.280 to be responsible. Let me highlight something else that a whistleblower has told me, Megan. And that is

00:08:37.700 there were more DHS, Department of Homeland Security, more Homeland Security personnel there that day

00:08:43.920 working the rally that day than Secret Service agents. And this is because Secret Service is so

00:08:49.400 overstretched. They had so many other events going that they didn't have enough people to actually

00:08:55.780 cover the rally. So the most of the majority, the preponderance, most of the agents there that day,

00:09:01.580 the federal agents were from Homeland Security. They weren't prepared for this event. They were not ready

00:09:07.060 to do their jobs. They were supposed to be doing things like using canines at the entrance to sweep

00:09:13.560 people going through the crowd. They were supposed to be guarding the area around the platform. They were

00:09:18.780 supposed to be coordinating with locals. And whistleblowers tell me they weren't doing any

00:09:22.380 of these things. So Megan, we've got failure at every single level. I mean, every level you look

00:09:27.700 at here, Secret Service wasn't coordinating this properly. Secret Service allowed Trump to go on

00:09:32.980 stage. Secret Service didn't have the right plan in place. DHS was unprepared. They didn't know what

00:09:39.120 they were doing. State and local law enforcement officials were just out there on their own,

00:09:43.460 not sure what they were supposed to be doing, maybe not doing their job. I mean, it is every piece of

00:09:48.280 this. It's a total disaster. The House oversight hearing yesterday saying that the officers

00:09:55.740 involved at that particular facility were Butler Emergency Services. And God knows what their

00:10:01.800 training was. Who knows whether they had the training or the experience to understand how to

00:10:07.160 protect a former president who we knew was under threat or who they should have known was under threat.

00:10:13.040 Um, so now you have Kim Cheadle forced out as a result of the embarrassing performance yesterday,

00:10:18.620 in addition to the failures that kicked this whole thing off. And you've got Joe Biden's reaction as

00:10:25.380 follows in a paper statement. Who knows whether this is really from him. She has selflessly dedicated

00:10:30.700 and risked her life to protect our nation throughout her career in the U S Secret Service. We especially

00:10:35.160 thank her for answering the call to lead the Secret Service during our administration. We're grateful

00:10:38.820 for her service to our family as a leader. It takes honor, courage, and incredible integrity

00:10:45.140 to take full responsibility for an organization tasked with one of the most challenging jobs in

00:10:51.000 public service. And then they go on to say the independent review to get to the bottom of what

00:10:55.360 happened on July 13th continues. And I look forward to assessing its conclusions. Um, that's pretty

00:11:00.700 remarkable. He does not come anywhere near throwing her under the bus. I don't know that this gets it done,

00:11:06.440 Senator. What do you think? No, it doesn't. I mean, and by the way, she did none of those things,

00:11:10.800 the things he just said in his, in his statement there on our service, uh, you know, responsibility.

00:11:15.980 She didn't take any responsibility. We all watched the hearing. And by the way, she had briefed senators

00:11:21.340 before that hearing five days ago. Now, six days ago, she briefed senators in a closed door briefing.

00:11:27.120 Megan, she was exactly in that briefing as she was yesterday. She was unprepared. She was ill-informed

00:11:32.160 and she was totally unwilling, totally unwilling to take any responsibility. She didn't know basic

00:11:38.320 facts six days ago. She didn't know basic facts yesterday. If the president really wanted to show

00:11:42.760 some leadership, he should have fired her. He should have said, this is totally unacceptable.

00:11:47.580 I never should have appointed you. You're fired. But of course, this guy won't fire anybody. I mean,

00:11:52.680 let's think back to Afghanistan where we lost 13 brave service members and hundreds of American

00:11:57.580 civilians left behind to the enemy. Who did he fire after that? Nobody, nobody, no accountability.

00:12:03.320 Here we have an American president shot, another good American killed, multiple others, critically

00:12:08.760 wounded. Nobody will take any responsibility. It's a, it is a sickness in this administration.

00:12:14.480 And when she got up there yesterday, it seemed clear she had things she wanted to hide.

00:12:19.140 There was just one example. I mean, we can go through more of them, but there was the example of

00:12:23.160 how the secret service lied on the record about denying president Trump's requests for additional

00:12:27.880 security. I mean, my own suspicion is they thought it was a vanity play. They thought maybe he was just

00:12:33.600 self-aggrandizing. I don't know. That's my speculation, but they did repeatedly deny him additional resources

00:12:40.420 for protection. And now we know, of course he did have reason to fear for his life and they denied it

00:12:45.860 on the record, both when, uh, Dan Bongino alleged it, when Susan Crabtree of real clear politics alleged it.

00:12:51.780 Uh, and then they were pressed, uh, director Cheadle was pressed yesterday on the fact that she signed

00:12:58.420 off on those lies that she would have had to approve her spokesperson, Anthony Guglielmi, uh,

00:13:03.980 in the lies that he told. And here was a bit of that exchange with, uh, Florida representative Mike

00:13:08.180 Waltz in SOT 24. Did you sign off on that spokesman statement? The spokesman statement,

00:13:13.560 I believe was related to requests that were made. Did you sign off on it for the requests that were made

00:13:18.980 at the rally? Did you sign off on the statement before it went out? I sign off on my press spokesman

00:13:23.360 state before they go out. I would hope you would in the wake of an assassination attempt. Yes, you did

00:13:28.220 categorically false that any requests were made. You signed off on it. Thank you for that. Uh,

00:13:37.620 thank you for that clarity. So here's the thing, Senator, what that tells me is that even in the

00:13:43.320 wake of an assassination attempt in which a man died, she's not even at best, she was an error,

00:13:49.340 right? So she's not even checking her facts and being careful in the messaging around something as

00:13:54.500 critical as whether they denied Trump's requests or not, which seems like just a massive political

00:14:00.720 CYA effort by Kim Cheadle and those who work for her. Yeah, a hundred percent. You take the words

00:14:06.580 right out of my mouth. That's exactly what this is. That's what I thought when I first heard her

00:14:09.940 briefed senators a week ago. And, uh, listen, the other person, Megan, who is the big liar here and

00:14:15.700 has lied in public repeatedly is Alejandro Mayorkas. Mayorkas, remember, went on, I believe the Sunday

00:14:21.380 morning talk shows and said, Oh, actually we had beefed up Trump's security. We had given him even

00:14:26.640 more than he requested. There was a threat from Iran and therefore we had, we'd given even more and

00:14:32.260 we were, we were tracking this. That's all false. That is just not true. They did not give them the

00:14:37.940 security they requested. His security was not beefed up. That's just an out and out lie. And

00:14:42.340 by the way, Mayorkas head of DHS, he should be on the hook here too. He was overseeing this entire

00:14:48.260 operation so far. He hasn't even appeared before Congress, let alone taking responsibility.

00:14:53.740 So this guy's basically got control, control in quotes of the border and of the secret service.

00:14:59.880 And it's not going very well. When is he getting hauled before Congress?

00:15:04.240 Yeah. Hopefully soon, hopefully next week, the Senate is going to hold hearings on this next week.

00:15:10.020 And Alejandro Mayorkas had better be there. It's the committee on Homeland Security. I sit on that

00:15:14.000 committee. He had better be there under oath because sure, Cheadle's the director of the

00:15:18.640 secret service. She deserves to go. He's in charge though. I emphasize Mayorkas of the whole operation.

00:15:24.700 He oversees the whole thing, the secret service agents who were there. That's his brief,

00:15:29.080 the DHS detailees who were there at the rally. And I'm told now by whistleblowers that DHS personnel

00:15:35.400 are often getting assigned to these events. He oversees them as well. The whole thing is his

00:15:40.600 responsibility. And Megan, he has lied and lied and lied. And you're right. Best before we even

00:15:45.660 get to the border where he lies for a living. This guy is bad news. He's already been impeached by the

00:15:51.260 House. He should have been removed by the Senate. The Democrats didn't even hold a trial.

00:15:54.440 Now we can see what a mistake that was. On his watch, 9, 10 million illegals have come into this

00:16:00.540 country. And an American president has suffered an assassination attempt. This guy's got to go.

00:16:05.900 What we've seen is that he's not keeping us safe. He didn't keep Trump safe. He didn't keep this poor

00:16:11.020 fire chief safe who got killed at the Trump rally, Compertory. The two people who were shot,

00:16:16.580 he didn't keep the border safe and the women who have been killed and raped and the men as well,

00:16:20.500 who are the victims. He didn't keep the people who got the fentanyl into their veins as a result of

00:16:23.820 the border situation. I mean, this guy is he should not be in a position of protecting us.

00:16:28.520 That's obvious with Mayorkas. Here's the other question I have for you, though, because she

00:16:32.740 deferred yesterday, Kim Cheadle, many times to the FBI. Well, the FBI, this, the FBI, that. And we

00:16:37.840 already know there are a lot of questions about the FBI. Many Americans don't trust the FBI at this

00:16:41.720 point, given their role in Russiagate and all that nonsense. She knew answers, according to her,

00:16:49.600 that she'd been given by the FBI, which she says is investigating. Meanwhile, it's her,

00:16:54.880 it's her service. It's these are her employees, but she's claiming to get the info from the FBI

00:16:59.660 and she wouldn't give it up as though there's some sort of attorney client privilege between the

00:17:04.300 secret service director and the FBI, which there isn't. Let me show you this exchange and ask what's

00:17:09.260 next for the FBI piece of this probe. Sock 28. Have you been in communication with the FBI?

00:17:18.180 Yes, I have. With whom? I speak with the director and the deputy director. Okay. Did they share with

00:17:23.640 you how many shell casings were on the roof? They have shared with me. Did they share with you

00:17:30.740 how many shell casings were on the roof? Yes. Okay. How many were there? I would refer to the FBI for

00:17:40.900 how many were there and their information that they need to share in their investigation. So they've

00:17:46.840 shared the information with you. You just don't want to share the information with us. Correct. If

00:17:53.600 you're supposed to be in charge, if the buck stops with you, how come you can't share the answers?

00:17:59.740 What are you covering up? What are you hiding, my friend?

00:18:05.540 I'm not covering anything. Then why can't you answer a simple question?

00:18:10.460 Okay. So what happens to her now? Does she just go off quietly into the night? And then the second

00:18:14.720 piece of it is what happens with the FBI? Like why do they have sole knowledge of what's happening in

00:18:21.560 this investigation? Well, Megan, I can tell you as to the FBI, one of the reasons I went to the site

00:18:27.120 myself last week is because I don't trust them to do anything. And I will tell you when I got there

00:18:31.740 to Butler, to the site, the FBI tried to run me off as quick as they possibly could. When I went to

00:18:39.180 that building that we've been talking about, the American glass research building, the FBI came out

00:18:45.320 onto the property. By the way, I had been given permission by local security to be there. The folks

00:18:50.580 who have authority over the building, FBI comes out, Megan, and tells me I have to leave. And I

00:18:56.300 said, excuse me? I mean, what authority do you have to tell me that I have to leave? And they said,

00:19:01.080 oh, we're doing an investigation. We'll give you the report later, but you can't be here. You have

00:19:04.680 to go. That told me a lot right there, which is they want to control the information flow, Megan.

00:19:09.500 They want to control the facts and the details here. And you saw it yesterday. You saw this,

00:19:14.460 looks like an agreement between the Secret Service and the FBI to try to punt this and let the FBI

00:19:19.760 control all of the information, let them control when they release it and let them control the

00:19:25.200 narrative. They don't have the authority to do that, Megan. And we should not allow them. We should

00:19:30.400 not acquiesce to that at all. Listen, if they want to do an investigation, that's fine. But that should

00:19:36.140 not be the end of the inquiry for the American people. And the FBI director, he needs to come to

00:19:40.920 Congress. He needs to be under oath. He needs to answer questions. Yes. My team telling me, because

00:19:46.160 the local law enforcement and state police commissioner, they're on the hot seat this

00:19:49.840 afternoon. State police commissioner just said during the hearing, he believes that eight casings

00:19:55.000 were found on top of that roof. And that means that would mean that eight shots were fired by the

00:20:00.780 shooter in this case. It's interesting to me, the FBI tried to run you off. They messed with the

00:20:05.360 wrong senator. Not only did they not understand, apparently, you're a United States senator, but you have

00:20:09.080 long history in your own branch of law enforcement as the former attorney general for your state

00:20:13.400 chief clerk for Roberts, Roberts, right? On the U.S. Supreme Court. I always forget who you're.

00:20:18.340 Yeah, exactly. So wrong guy. So speaking of your legal background, let me ask you about another person

00:20:23.020 who's got a toe in the legal world, and that is Kamala Harris. She rose to fame as the attorney general

00:20:31.280 for the state of California prior to that DA for San Francisco. And now she is obviously going to be

00:20:36.800 the Democrats choice for president. Um, I wonder what you think of the attempt to remake Kamala

00:20:44.660 Harris, to take all of the awkward moments we've seen multiple times and rebrand them as she's the

00:20:51.240 fun quote, wine aunt. She's just a little quote, goofy, like in a cool way that the kids are going to

00:20:57.100 relate to. And the same people who took her sort of tough on crime years as San Francisco DA and use

00:21:04.680 it against her, right? When she was seeking higher office. Now we're looking at her as having called,

00:21:10.980 you know, Jacob Blake, some sort of a hero as having done fundraising for BLM arrestees who are

00:21:16.540 in jail. I'm looking at all of it over the past couple of days. I'm left asking myself, who is

00:21:21.220 Kamala Harris? You know, if I had her record, if I had let 10 million illegals across the border,

00:21:27.660 which she did as borders are, if I had her record on crime, if I had her record as a United States

00:21:33.520 Senator, uh, if I had her positions wanting to shut down oil and gas production in this country,

00:21:39.100 wanting to shut down American energy, wanting to make us dependent on China. Yeah. I try to rebrand

00:21:42.800 too. I mean, I would rush to rebrand, which is what she's doing. Listen, here's the thing that

00:21:48.020 really gets me though. I don't think it matters who the puppet is at the head of the Democrat ticket.

00:21:53.200 It looks like it is going to be Kamala, but the truth is we all know who's really in charge.

00:21:56.540 It's the same people who chose Joe. They're the same people who are choosing Kamala and you can

00:22:00.780 see it. We've all seen it on display the last few weeks. It's wall street. It's the biggest

00:22:05.380 corporations and it's Hollywood. They're the ones who selected Joe. They're the ones who shoved Joe

00:22:10.740 out when he wasn't useful to them anymore. And now they're the ones anointing Kamala. Look at her

00:22:15.160 kitchen cabinet. It is full of those people. This has been widely reported. They are going to pull the

00:22:20.620 strings and a Kamala Harris administration. So I think the choice is going to be really simple.

00:22:24.680 Do you want somebody who actually was chosen by voters, Donald Trump? Do you want somebody who

00:22:30.180 actually will work for voters, Donald Trump, and somebody who's beholden to nobody? Listen,

00:22:34.920 I know some people out there, they don't like Trump, but what you can't argue with is he's not beholden

00:22:39.120 to anybody. I mean, who is Trump beholden to? What big donor is he in the pocket of? None.

00:22:44.960 So like him or hate him, he's his own guy, as he has made abundantly clear. Kamala Harris,

00:22:50.360 she's just at the mercy of the latest rebrand at the whim of these folks, the wealthiest people in

00:22:56.500 America, the most powerful people in America, the Democrat Party, power brokers. They're going to

00:23:01.540 totally control her. And it's going to be a choice between a strong independent executive

00:23:06.540 or a party puppet. That's an interesting point, because given the way that she's gotten this

00:23:11.840 nomination, or I mean, she hasn't gotten it yet, but of course she's on track. Who will she owe the

00:23:17.000 favors to? Who really would be in charge of Kamala Harris? Would it be an infeeble or incapable Joe

00:23:24.360 Biden? Would it be a Nancy Pelosi, Hakeem Jeffries, Chuck Schumer? Would she be her own person or

00:23:30.040 wouldn't she? Very interesting development today. Benjamin Netanyahu is coming to the United States.

00:23:34.740 He's supposed to meet with President Joe Biden, who canceled on him, allegedly, I guess because of

00:23:40.620 his illness, though he is going back to the White House, though it does not look like he

00:23:43.980 rescheduled the meeting. And Kamala Harris, rather than take a meeting with Netanyahu,

00:23:50.200 is skipping it because she's got to go to a meeting of her former sorority

00:23:58.700 out of state. Now, I will tell you, Senator Hawley, before getting ready for the show,

00:24:04.660 some of my gal pals down here at the shore said, do you want to meet and play some pickleball? And I said,

00:24:09.660 gee, that's something I would really like to do, but I have a job that I need to go do. So it's a no.

00:24:15.000 And now, why can't Kamala Harris go? Isn't it likely that this is an intentional snub?

00:24:22.320 Yeah, of course it is. And she's not going because her party base is full of radical pro-Hamas,

00:24:27.840 anti-Semitic people. I mean, let's just be honest. The people who crowded into those college campuses,

00:24:32.400 who occupied the buildings, who broke windows, lit fires, tore down statues,

00:24:36.540 waved the Hamas flag, who went after, not just insulted Jewish Americans. That is protected by

00:24:42.180 the First Amendment, though it may be despicable. No, these are the people who threatened Jewish

00:24:46.220 American students, who said death to Israel, who told Jewish American students they wouldn't be

00:24:51.560 safe, who assaulted them physically. These are all Democrats. I mean, these are the people

00:24:55.700 who Kamala is now trying to appeal to. So yeah, she's not going to meet with Bibi Netanyahu. She can't

00:25:00.840 afford to politically. And I tell you what, I'm sure you're following, Megan,

00:25:04.800 her own VP search now. And it's amazing to me to read the commentary on some of these folks,

00:25:10.120 including the Pennsylvania governor, Josh Shapiro, who's Jewish. You've seen all this

00:25:14.000 commentary from Democrats saying, oh my gosh, you can't pick him. Why not? Oh, he's Jewish. I mean,

00:25:18.180 we can't have that. This is where we are in today's Democrat party. And by the way, that is the wing of

00:25:24.920 the party, if you like, that Kamala totally represents. I mean, that is where she comes from.

00:25:29.080 It's the radical progressives. These are the people out there with their Hamas flags,

00:25:33.640 out there chanting death to Israel. And that's what she's going to bring. You want to know the

00:25:38.960 kind of energy she'd bring to the White House? There it is right there. Meantime, Joe Biden is

00:25:44.260 returning to the White House, we believe any moment from Delaware. We haven't seen him in almost a

00:25:49.040 week. We have no idea what his state is, physical or mental. He did call into a Kamala Harris

00:25:58.680 announcement yesterday. It was her first public appearance as the presumptive, I guess we can say,

00:26:03.560 nominee and sounded OK, not terrible. It didn't sound well. And yet he still hasn't made his actual

00:26:13.680 I'm withdrawing announcement on camera. She got to the cameras before he did. We're hearing tomorrow

00:26:18.980 night. He'll make this primetime address. Again, I don't know whether it's live or on tape. And it just

00:26:24.520 hit via Washington Post that he's rescheduled his meeting with Netanyahu for Thursday afternoon,

00:26:29.940 allegedly. So what do you understand to be the state of wellness when it comes to our president?

00:26:35.720 And what do you think the likelihood is this guy makes it straight through to January?

00:26:40.800 Seems to me, Megan, we're basically without a president right now. I mean, as you said,

00:26:44.440 he hasn't been seen in public in a week. He's not meeting with foreign leaders. He is not carrying

00:26:49.120 out his duties. He delegated last night, he delegated a whole bunch of duties to various cabinet

00:26:53.280 departments and agencies. I mean, this is crazy, crazy, crazy stuff. And what you can see is the

00:26:59.020 Democrats, they don't care about any of that. They just want to offload Joe Biden, the political

00:27:02.780 liability, the fact that he is not fit to run this country, the fact that America, as we sit here now,

00:27:08.880 is essentially without a chief executive. They don't care. What are they doing? They're busy.

00:27:13.760 Kamala's off in campaign mode. If she were serious, she would be saying, listen,

00:27:18.660 Joe needs to step down. We need a president in office. He is not capable of the job. But none

00:27:24.640 of them are saying that, Megan, not a one of them. And that's because it's all politics to them,

00:27:28.620 100 percent politics. And if that means that the country is adrift and unsafe, I mean,

00:27:33.660 who has the nuclear codes right now? What would happen if China invaded Taiwan right now? What

00:27:38.920 would happen if, heaven forbid, there were a strike on American forces or American civilians either at home

00:27:44.760 or somewhere around the world? I don't know the answer to that. I don't know who would be in

00:27:48.320 charge. Nobody knows who would be in charge. We just know it wouldn't be Biden. I mean, this is

00:27:52.360 an untenable position. What's scarier to you? What's scarier to you? That happens while Joe Biden is,

00:27:57.620 I don't know, out to lunch? Or it happens when we have a newly sworn in, very green President

00:28:04.080 Harris? Like over the next couple of months, I'm saying, if Biden gets 25th Amendment did or

00:28:08.360 something else. I think that both are disastrous options, to be honest with you. I mean,

00:28:13.200 it just shows you that this is where the Democrats have taken the country. And it's because they have

00:28:17.980 cared 100 percent about politics and not at all about the safety of America. You mentioned American

00:28:22.640 safety a few minutes ago. You're dead right. I mean, listen, our kids aren't safe in the streets.

00:28:29.300 Our rally goers aren't safe going to political events. You're not safe if you go to the grocery

00:28:35.900 store, go to the bus stop. You're not safe anywhere in this country for anything. And now,

00:28:40.620 if you live overseas, if you're traveling, nobody's safe. And we don't even know who the

00:28:45.020 president is. Megan, I just think that this is in my adult lifetime, I got to think that this is the

00:28:49.580 most dangerous moment for America because we are surrounded by threats and dangers at home and

00:28:54.880 abroad. And we don't have anybody, anybody who is in charge of this country. And of course,

00:29:00.160 our Constitution gives a lot of power to the executive. And right now, the lights are out.

00:29:04.000 Nobody's at home. About a week ago, before he withdrew, Joe Biden, in what felt like a desperate

00:29:10.200 move to save himself, announced that he was going to be making major announcements for reform of the

00:29:15.640 U.S. Supreme Court, that he wanted to introduce term limits. And of course, no federal judge is

00:29:21.120 subject to a term limit. It's a lifetime appointment that he wanted to introduce a mandatory ethics code.

00:29:26.420 This is, of course, about the controversy that they've generated around Justice Thomas and the

00:29:32.900 fake controversy around Justice Alito as well. So do you think there's any chance of those things

00:29:38.280 actually happening? If the Democrats were to win control of the Senate or hold control of the

00:29:44.780 Senate? Yeah, I think that they would. I mean, this is this is the real danger here, Megan. If the

00:29:48.980 Democrats have become radicalized, if they maintain a majority in the United States Senate and they

00:29:53.820 elect a Democrat president, Kamala Harris, I think they will eliminate the filibuster. And I think they

00:29:59.000 will do whatever they can legislatively. You know, they can't do a term limits that would require a

00:30:04.160 constitutional amendment, but they could absolutely make all kinds of changes. They could cut the

00:30:08.720 justices salaries. They could interfere in the in the independence of the of the Supreme Court. They

00:30:13.060 could change the number of justices, pack the court. They could do all that by legislation. And I think

00:30:16.780 they absolutely will. These people are nuts. And just what you described a second ago, that so-called

00:30:21.720 agenda. Let's be clear about what this is. This is a deliberate attempt to destroy the independence

00:30:27.920 of an independent branch of government, a deliberate attempt to destroy the independent judiciary because

00:30:33.040 they don't like the judiciary. They don't like the independence in any institution, Megan, that stands

00:30:38.340 in the way of the Democrats agenda. They just burn it down. They just bulldoze it. And that's what they

00:30:43.240 want to do down to the Supreme Court. And what's really scary is their bases out there cheering them on

00:30:47.160 and saying, absolutely, go take on the court, go bulldoze the court, go destroy the court. For those of us

00:30:54.280 who believe in the rule of law, my gosh, this is the time to say, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's

00:30:59.220 protect America here. She's on camera saying she is in favor of eliminating the filibuster. And that's

00:31:07.360 because she wants to get through the Green New Deal, which, you know, according to her plan, she's

00:31:11.880 one of the co-sponsors. We'll get rid of our airplanes and our cars and our cows. So she wants to get rid

00:31:19.620 of the filibuster just for that. Never mind what they would do to the court if she actually managed that

00:31:23.400 in some sort of electoral landslide, which at this point, let's face it, does not look likely.

00:31:27.720 Senator, great to see you. Thanks so much for coming on. Thank you. Josh Hawley of Missouri,

00:31:32.700 everybody. When we come back, a deep dive into Vice President, possibly President Kamala Harris.

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00:32:51.740 Kamala Harris is now on track to become the next Democratic nominee for president. And they did it

00:32:56.460 just like this. It's so fun when you have a magic wand and your name is Nancy Pelosi. You can make

00:33:00.660 people like the presidential candidate. It's awesome. The voters are so annoying. It's like amazing to me

00:33:08.600 that we've all just moved on from the fact that really they've just seized the Democratic nomination.

00:33:13.480 They've given it to Kamala Harris. Not a single voter has voted for this woman to be the presidential

00:33:19.160 candidate on the Democratic ticket. And they're all like, okay, I guess we're not allowed to challenge

00:33:24.740 the black lady. That's how it works. Like that's a that's a no in the Democratic parties. We have to

00:33:29.560 keep our mouths shut. Even though if you look at the polls, this is not the best person to take on

00:33:33.780 Trump. I mean, if you're a Trump fan, you're thrilled, I guess. You know, it's like short of

00:33:37.220 Biden. Sure. They'll take Kamala. But if you're an actual Democrat who wants to win, is this the

00:33:42.080 horse you want to bet on? But they're all just going along with it because they need unity because

00:33:46.840 the Republican Party's unified. This is some sort of bullshit. But OK, you know what? It's your problem.

00:33:52.720 I'm not voting Democrat. So you work it out over on your side. It's going to be fun to watch.

00:33:57.500 She's not doing well. We'll get to the polls in just a bit. But the media is so thrilled that they got

00:34:03.580 rid of the elderly, infirm man who they were defending, saying all those videos showing him

00:34:08.120 looking bad were just cheap fakes two weeks ago that they have magically now forgotten all about

00:34:14.800 who she is. She's got to be the second coming. You see, she's got to be the one who unifies the

00:34:19.060 party. She's got to be reinvented. She's not awkward. She's wine aunt, which, by the way,

00:34:23.700 how is that a thing that's good? I wouldn't want to be known as wine aunt. That's not a plus.

00:34:29.960 It's not a good rebranding. Instead, they have been jumping out of their seats in excitement

00:34:37.020 and praising the little twinkle in her eye. Watch.

00:34:42.000 I'm jumping out of my seat over here watching this. People have been thirsting for this.

00:34:48.240 And I'll just say this, you know, and I'm with Tim. I'm Tim. I'm jumping out of my seat higher than

00:34:53.260 you, my brother. I'm just going to say that.

00:34:55.620 It was a twinkle in her eye. It was a kick in her step that, you know, when you're vice

00:35:01.180 president, you know, I don't, you're not loose. You can't, you know, there's somebody above you.

00:35:05.300 There's somebody you don't want to overshadow them. And this was quite the coming out. And I

00:35:09.720 got chills when she said, Donald Trump, I know you're tight. I was blown away. I was like,

00:35:15.360 I kind of fell in love with her. I thought she was smart, engaging. She's funny, feisty,

00:35:21.080 twinkle in your eye, punch you in the gut. I mean, everything you kind of want. And I just

00:35:26.200 thought it was a great, great opening act. She looked completely comfortable tonight

00:35:30.160 with, uh, the, with the words she was speaking. They felt organic, uh, and, and genuine.

00:35:36.580 Look completely comfortable with the words she was speaking. Well, that's, that's a win

00:35:40.360 and wokeness on X. Put that together. Great account to follow. Well, we have not forgotten who

00:35:44.980 Kamala really is and neither has Charlie Spearing. He's author of amateur hour Kamala Harris in the

00:35:50.660 white house. We had him back on the show in January, episode seven Oh five. If you want to

00:35:55.460 go for the full deep dive, it was his first interview about the book. Uh, and we have him

00:36:00.320 back today for obvious reasons, Charlie, welcome back. So the problem with Kamala Harris, not resonating

00:36:06.260 with voters is when you're vice president, you're not loose, you know, but now she can be loose and

00:36:14.380 her full, wonderful, able to connect self. What do you make of that?

00:36:20.440 That's right, Megan. Well, I hated to interrupt my heavy research into what the true meaning of

00:36:25.520 brat means because that's what cable news hosts are grappling with right now. Kamala Harris is a

00:36:31.240 brat. According to Gen Z, it's all over the internet and she's completely remaking herself as you just

00:36:36.880 described as a wine mom. It's a familiar thing. It's Saturday night live famously during her

00:36:43.060 presidential primary, tried to describe her as the cool aunt Kamala Harris. So here we go.

00:36:50.180 The total, the final wine mom is fun. And you actually do want to sit down and have a drink

00:36:55.060 with her. Kamala Harris is a bully who's pushed out or made life intolerable for virtually every

00:37:02.480 person who's come to work for her in the white house. She's the Megan Markle of the administration.

00:37:07.680 She, people can't work for her. She's a nightmare. So how does, like, we're going to be hearing more

00:37:14.980 about the mass staff exodus that we've seen under her tenure. Are we not?

00:37:20.980 That's right, Megan. Actually, I'm working on a story right now. The story I'm really working on

00:37:25.240 is the massive shift in her original campaign staff. There's only about four people left from

00:37:32.840 her original campaign staff in 2021. It's been a complete blender, not a, not revolving door

00:37:39.300 anymore. It's like a blender and staffers have been fleeting in droves. You know, they, they remind,

00:37:44.940 they recall her as being a bully, uh, and someone who is mean, mean spirited, um, making all kinds of

00:37:51.980 comments about, you know, how they appear, how they look, their love life. And that's, that's the kind

00:37:57.440 of behavior that former count Kamala Harris staffs remind or reminded of. And that's why there's not

00:38:04.380 exactly a massive line of people trying to jump in and go work for her again.

00:38:10.760 I mean, that's obviously going to become relevant how she treats people. Uh, she's not wine mom.

00:38:16.280 She's like the nasty mom who doesn't get invited to the events because no one wants to be around her

00:38:20.140 because she's got a bad demeanor behind the scenes. Now the, that comment we were making fun of is that

00:38:25.220 when you're, when you're vice president, you can't be loose, forgive me. But speaking of loose,

00:38:29.400 it is fair game to go back and talk about her behavior in her ascent into politics. We touched

00:38:37.280 on this a bit yesterday and I will not be shamed out of discussing this by people who say it's

00:38:42.360 slut shaming or it's not relevant. It is relevant when a young candidate tries to sleep her way into

00:38:48.940 politics and into power. And that is what it appears Kamala Harris did when she was a young

00:38:54.560 political aspirant in San Francisco. When she had an affair with a man 30 years older than she was,

00:39:02.680 she was 29 to 30 and he was 60. Willie Brown, who was like the godfather of San Francisco politics

00:39:10.420 and very well known. And sure enough, that relationship paid dividends for her in more ways than one.

00:39:18.220 That's right, Megan. As you noted yesterday, it's, it's completely fair game to talk about

00:39:24.820 Willie Brown. It's how Kamala Harris went from a relatively unknown Almeda County prosecutor

00:39:29.460 to the forefront of San Francisco social life and politics. It, it, Willie Brown was the most

00:39:36.520 powerful politician in California when Kamala Harris started dating her, dating him. And she,

00:39:42.860 he also gave her a number of positions and we're talking about $400,000 back in night in the 1990s.

00:39:49.200 That's almost 800,000 in today's money. He appointed her to those positions that paid her lucratively.

00:39:55.720 He gave her the keys to a BMW and he went around the most powerful and most wealthy circles of,

00:40:03.540 of San Francisco and California politics with Kamala Harris on, on his arm, opening up the doors to her,

00:40:10.200 her, uh, you know, professional and political future.

00:40:14.740 So it was back when, again, she was 30 years old. He was at the time, democratic speaker of the

00:40:20.780 California state assembly quoting here from a Washington examiner piece, which, uh, is very

00:40:25.400 good. Uh, the position that he gave her on the California medical assistance commission in 1994

00:40:32.340 paid at that time over $70,000 a year, which is about 120,000 in current money. And she served on the

00:40:39.100 board until 1998. So about four years that medical commission met twice a month. So for two meetings

00:40:50.760 a month, she was getting the equivalent of $120,000. And you know why Democrats in San Francisco were mad

00:40:58.760 about it. It wasn't because she wasn't qualified, which she wasn't. It was because those positions

00:41:03.420 are supposed to be saved for only the most prized Democrats who Willie Brown really owed favors to

00:41:10.800 who did really, you know, amazing things to keep Willie Brown in power. But instead he gave one to

00:41:18.060 his lover. He was by the way, still married though. He was reportedly estranged from his wife for a long

00:41:23.220 time. So, but she, what this was technically an extramarital relationship. And they were mad that

00:41:29.100 he gave one of his choice grifting positions, not to somebody who'd done a lot for democratic

00:41:34.020 politicians, but to Kamala Harris. And not just that there was another one. He gave her a second

00:41:38.920 position as well. Um, which was basically the same kind of deal where he just put, gave her up an

00:41:44.400 appointment. She reeked in tons of money and boom, Bob's your uncle. She was off to the races in dem

00:41:49.720 politics. And then Willie Brown is on record as saying, I also then helped her with her next big

00:41:54.120 position, which was becoming San Francisco DA. Right. When she ran for district attorney,

00:42:00.980 you know, they had broken up, um, Willie Brown, as soon as he ran and won the San Francisco mayor

00:42:07.840 election, um, he broke up with Kamala and then, you know, Kamala was there for the victory party.

00:42:14.400 But by the time he hit the inauguration hit his estranged wife reappeared to be holding the Bible

00:42:19.600 while he took the oath of office and Kamala was kind of pushed aside. Um, but you know,

00:42:24.980 Willie Brown didn't forget her when Kamala decided to run for district attorney of San Francisco. He

00:42:29.520 was there quietly nudging all of the, his wealthy donors and powerful connections to help her out

00:42:34.960 him and him and Terrence Holland on the existing, um, the existing district attorney were not friends

00:42:40.960 anymore. They had kind of had an ugly clash and Kamala Harris likewise tried to try to overthrow

00:42:47.740 Holland on second in command, but failed miserably. And so she ended up leaving the office to kind of

00:42:53.480 plot her revenge. So Willie Brown was definitely there behind the scenes, but Kamala Harris did as

00:42:59.640 much as she could before the election to distance herself from Willie Brown. Uh, at one point doing

00:43:05.880 a very long interview with, uh, San Francisco magazine, throwing him under the bus entirely saying

00:43:11.460 Willie Brown's career is over. He's done. Hello. My turn is here. It's Kamala Harris.

00:43:17.860 Sounds really familiar. Megan compared to what just happened last weekend.

00:43:22.920 Oh yeah. I mean the whole democratic party is going to be stepping all over Joe Biden momentarily.

00:43:27.760 He's going to get his weekend in the sun about what a lion he is. And then as soon as they realize

00:43:32.020 that they can blame everything on him and take it off of Kamala, that's what they're going to do.

00:43:37.260 He, every inflation number you've seen, it's all his fault. She didn't touch it. She was just a

00:43:42.320 lowly vice president. You know, what was she supposed to do? But talk to me a little bit about her

00:43:46.140 background because she rose or she rose in San Francisco and then California, right? As the

00:43:51.560 attorney general, and then became a U S Senator from California. All she's had to do is compete

00:43:56.580 for the most part. I know there's some exceptions against other liberals, right? Like has she ever

00:44:03.380 had to compete against a bull, you know, like Donald Trump, like the, the silverback gorilla,

00:44:09.720 like Donald Trump Republican versus Dem it's on. I realized that she ran as the vice president,

00:44:15.820 but she wasn't the chief, you know, it was, that was really Joe Biden's fight.

00:44:19.880 Well, the interesting race is when she ran against Steve Cooley for the attorney general position in

00:44:25.460 2010. Um, Cooley was, uh, you know, relatively sensible law and order Republican, um, from Los Angeles

00:44:32.800 and really the last, uh, meaningful Republican in California politics. And even it was a big year

00:44:39.560 for Democrats. They won by double digits for California, for California Democrats, but Kamala

00:44:46.820 Harris really struggled against Steve Cooley and barely etched out a victory. It's looked, it looked

00:44:52.420 like the night of the election that she had lost. And lo and behold, weeks later, they did recounts

00:44:57.980 and, and, um, recounted all the rest of the votes and she just barely squeaked off a victory. It was

00:45:03.440 really, it was really close. And you can definitely look at that campaign and, and see that, you know,

00:45:08.860 maybe she will be competitive in this race against Donald Trump as well, but it's hard to see that

00:45:14.260 happening. Some are now trying to excuse her awkwardness repeated and everywhere as she lost her

00:45:24.300 footing as vice president and didn't have the confidence required to really be herself, which

00:45:30.260 I guess is the secret version of charming. Um, is there anything in her past that would shed light

00:45:36.300 on what's true about her? Has she always been awkward like this with the weird laughing and the

00:45:41.960 inappropriate jokes and the, every time the failed attempts at profundity? Yeah. A lot of it's the

00:45:49.060 product of being a California politician, right? When you're a California Democrat, all you have to do

00:45:53.800 is impress the donors and press the, the political power brokers and kind of show up and demand a

00:46:00.000 seat at the table. Willie Brown taught her how to do that. So she didn't have some level of, of that

00:46:04.900 with the top donors, you know, but she never really connected with the California people. But as we've

00:46:10.700 shown earlier, you don't necessarily need to convince voters. You just need to convince the

00:46:15.020 democratic party and everything will fall in line for you pretty well. So what's that pattern

00:46:20.160 repeated itself? Sorry, keep going, Charlie. Yeah. And so she, the same thing happened when

00:46:26.820 she ran for Senate, you know, she was, she's a very good candidate. She's very disciplined. She

00:46:31.520 loves the, the sort of the knife fighting and the brawling. She's on the record saying she loves

00:46:36.420 California politics because it's a real fight. So she is a sort of a ruthless politician, a ruthless

00:46:42.200 campaigner, but after reaching, you know, after taking office, there's definitely a, a drop down.

00:46:48.620 Once you actually have to do the job, she never seemed to take it seriously and spent more time

00:46:53.740 planning for her next job. That's kind of what we saw in the first years, first three years of her

00:46:58.560 vice president. She, she really was risk averse, didn't seem to be interested in the job she had,

00:47:04.400 but more interested in protecting her own political brand for the future. And I think when you, when a

00:47:09.360 politician hits that stage, the early stage of actually having to do the job, I think that's when

00:47:15.020 they tend to lose their footing and stumble. And I think that's what Kamala Harris ended up looking

00:47:19.920 like. And that's why her staff kind of abandoned her because she wasn't serious about the office she

00:47:24.760 was holding. And she was more interested in preparing herself to run for president.

00:47:29.960 Yeah. The reports were that she would fail to read the briefing materials that she was given by the

00:47:36.040 staff. And then she would lash out at the staff for her not knowing information. And meanwhile,

00:47:41.840 she just refused to do her homework. And this wasn't in right-wing blogs that just hated Kamala

00:47:47.400 Harris. This was reported in, even in the mainstream about her terrible behavior as vice president,

00:47:53.300 but now, okay. So we're one day into her likely being the democratic nominee. She does this first

00:47:59.120 appearance yesterday and this line, this soundbite by now you've seen it. Our audience has heard it.

00:48:05.300 It's everywhere. The Democrats are like, you go girl because of this, it's sought for.

00:48:11.840 Before that, I was a courtroom prosecutor. In those roles, I took on perpetrators of all kinds.

00:48:19.600 Predators who abused women. Fraudsters who ripped off consumers. Cheaters who broke the rules for

00:48:43.020 their own gain. So hear me when I say, I know Donald Trump's type.

00:48:53.500 So a little preview, Charlie, of, as they've been saying about her, she's a lifetime prosecutor.

00:48:59.340 He's a criminal reviving and hoping that the lawfare argument will make her seem elevated. And I'm sure

00:49:06.280 she's going to go to the woman place too. Well, that's so funny because the people who are fake

00:49:11.920 laughing and cheering in that clip are literally campaign staffers who are paid to be there. So

00:49:16.060 that's why her work is so much of a pop. Also the whole, I'm a prosecutor ready to prosecute the

00:49:22.780 case against Donald Trump. That's the same line they used in her failed presidential campaign.

00:49:27.640 They rung that statement to death, really trying to make the case that she was this brilliant

00:49:32.640 lawfare person who could tackle, you know, tackle Trump and really bring him to justice.

00:49:38.720 She's failed miserably in her last campaign. They're really hoping they can reboot it and bring

00:49:42.740 it back. I even saw an op-ed, you know, maybe we need Kamala the cop in 2024. Wow. That would not

00:49:49.900 have gone over well in the last election. Why don't you explain why she bailed BLM protesters out

00:49:55.180 of jail, rioters out of jail? How did Kamala the cop handle that one? Stand by. Charlie stays with me.

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00:51:33.800 Charlie Spearing, author of Amateur Hour, the deep dive on Kamala Harris out earlier this year is back

00:51:38.560 with me. That was Kamala Harris years before the 2020 election predicting she was going to win

00:51:44.080 and be the president. You know, give her, give her a four years, I guess she'd say, and she will get

00:51:49.920 that old man right out of there and take over the top spot and then take on Donald Trump. Um, it's

00:51:55.560 just another version of Kamala Harris, her ambition and her cringiness. Ambition is fine. The cringiness

00:52:00.680 I could do without, um, Biden called in to Harris's appearance at what was his campaign headquarters,

00:52:11.340 uh, in Delaware yesterday. It was his, they had scrubbed his name. They already had Harris everywhere.

00:52:17.200 And this is the first we heard him address the fact that he has withdrawn as a candidate. Let's take a listen

00:52:24.160 to top one. I know yesterday's news is surprising and, uh, it's hard for you to hear, but it was the right

00:52:31.680 thing to do. It's, uh, I know it's hard because you poured your heart and soul into me to help us win this

00:52:38.860 thing. Help me get this nomination. Help me win the nomination and then go on to win the, win the presidency.

00:52:46.120 But, you know, you're an amazing team, but we've got a great, great, I think we made the right to say,

00:52:51.640 I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to be out there in the campaign with her, with Kamala. I'm going to

00:52:55.560 be working like hell, both as a sitting president, getting legislation passed as well as in campaigning.

00:53:03.060 You know, what we still need to save this democracy and Trump, Trump is still a danger to the

00:53:09.160 community. It's a danger to the nation. All right. And that was his, uh, campaign manager that you

00:53:15.240 could hear there. So didn't sound like he was knocking on death's door, uh, Charlie, but we'll

00:53:21.860 see him tomorrow, uh, when he gives an address from the Oval Office. Then there was a weirdness

00:53:28.920 where she spoke with him. People are saying, you know, she said, Joe, I know you're still on the

00:53:33.620 call and people are thinking maybe this was a recording, though. It did sound like it was live,

00:53:38.400 whatever. We're going to see for ourselves tomorrow night, how the man is, I think.

00:53:42.080 But then she went back to her baby talk. This is another problem with her

00:53:48.300 and her inability to project any sense of authority. Here's Sot 3.

00:53:55.080 Joe, are you watching? You hear this clapping? Can you see it?

00:53:59.980 I'm watching. I'm watching.

00:54:02.560 I know it.

00:54:05.160 Is that an ongoing problem with this woman? And what's responsible for this? Because

00:54:11.080 it's not only in the way she speaks to the president, it's in the way she explains

00:54:16.120 Ukraine or space or school buses or Venn diagrams. I could keep going.

00:54:24.200 That's right. She has a long list of, uh, awkward moments on camera when she's trying to be light

00:54:29.080 and fun and, you know, an attempt to connect with voters and sort of go viral, um, in a way that

00:54:35.540 is very reminiscent of the Obama era. Remember when all of, all of Obama's sort of off,

00:54:41.960 off camera moments or, you know, anything that was captured off, you know, cable, the official

00:54:47.120 videos, right. We're kind of spread, spread quickly on social media and became a sign of like true

00:54:53.340 authenticity. But Harris's moments, uh, go viral for all the wrong reasons. Right. And it's just,

00:54:59.640 it's so many, there's so many clips of painfully obvious, uh, attempts to, to sort of,

00:55:05.240 she's kind of speaks to audiences and very patronizing fashion. Um, and right. Even,

00:55:11.480 even speaking to the president of the United States in that way, you know, it's clearly not,

00:55:16.620 clearly not very authentic at this point, but definitely trying to sell it as hard as she can.

00:55:22.540 Yeah. My kids would call it a sweaty, try hard. She's a sweaty, you know, it's too much. You're

00:55:28.260 like, it's just too on the nose. Uh, this just breaking via the New York times, Chuck Schumer and

00:55:33.380 Hakeem Jeffries will endorse Harris for president, uh, today right now. Uh, so, I mean, it's a done

00:55:40.000 deal. The Democrats, I don't know what you want to say the fixes in, but they have absolutely no

00:55:43.860 interest in letting the voter, the voters decide who's going to replace Joe Biden. None. They will

00:55:49.140 decide and they will shove those vegetables down your throat and you will say, thank you. If you're

00:55:54.440 a good little democratic voter, that's really where we are right now. Um, going back the biggest thing

00:56:01.240 the Republicans seem to think they have on Kamala Harris is the fact that she was placed in charge

00:56:05.840 of the border by Joe Biden and to discuss and determine the root causes of it, to address it.

00:56:12.860 No, none of that was done. I don't think even Kamala Harris could speak intelligently about the

00:56:17.120 root causes of the border crisis because she can't be honest about the fact that it was her boss and his

00:56:21.500 policy and a decision that he made to open it up. Um, there is this famous infamous exchange with

00:56:28.920 Lester Holt that shows sort of the cluelessness and how little she cared about her newfound job.

00:56:34.460 You would think this person who was so determined and worked so hard. Willie Brown's out there right

00:56:37.560 now saying she outworks everybody. Well, he took office in June of 2021, sorry, January, 2021 by June,

00:56:43.860 she'd been the borders are, and she had this exchange with Lester Holt. By the way, after this

00:56:49.080 exchange, it didn't get any better. She did eventually visit the border, but the border only got worse.

00:56:54.220 Let's watch. We've been to the border. So this whole, this whole, this whole thing about the

00:57:01.020 border, we've been to the border. We've been to the border. You haven't been to the border.

00:57:05.960 And I haven't been to Europe. And I don't, I don't understand the point that you're making.

00:57:13.480 Of course, the point is you should go so you can see for yourself what the problem is that you've

00:57:17.480 now been placed in charge of. So how big a liability is that for her? Do you think, do you think?

00:57:22.180 Well, the clip that you showed is Pete Kamala, right? She, you know, reportedly she had trained

00:57:28.880 for an answer on that question. And it wasn't, shouldn't have been a surprise question. Republicans

00:57:32.680 had been asking it for weeks. When is the Biden administration going to the border? And so when

00:57:37.760 Lester Holt pops that question, she had a trained answer that she was supposed to give. But instead

00:57:42.600 of that, she kind of went off the cuff to try to give something, something flippant because she was

00:57:46.280 clearly really annoyed by all of these repeated, even the media parroting this, this Republican

00:57:52.100 question of why won't you go to the border? And right after she issues that flippant comment,

00:57:56.840 she sort of uses her laugh to try to disarm the question. And that's, that's Pete Kamala Harris.

00:58:02.580 Anytime she's in an uncomfortable moment, she tries to laugh it off and, and, and move forward.

00:58:08.160 It didn't work.

00:58:09.100 It makes it more uncomfortable.

00:58:10.420 Right. And what's interesting is she made this comment after her visit to Guatemala.

00:58:14.680 And when she had a press conference in Guatemala, she famously said to migrants, you know, do not

00:58:21.900 come. If you come, you will be, I believe you will be turned away. And those were her exact words.

00:58:27.860 Wow. The, they, she did not send the message and, you know, migrants did not hear that message.

00:58:33.080 They just came over even faster. So it was clear that she failed the entire border czar project.

00:58:39.240 You know, when, when, uh, Chris Lasavita at the convention where we were both at last week,

00:58:44.860 when he was asked what are Kamala Harris's biggest problems, he just looked at reporters and said two

00:58:50.900 words, border czar. Exactly. This will be pounded over and over. There's also the fact that she's a

00:58:57.960 leftist progressive and she's woke, and this is not going to appeal to disaffected Democrats in her

00:59:04.700 party. Maybe it'll energize progressives in a way that Biden didn't, but this soundbite's making the

00:59:10.080 rounds. We've all seen it. Here she is during a CNN town hall and during a white house event.

00:59:15.460 Sot six. Thank you guys. And my pronouns are she, her and hers. I am Kamala Harris. My pronouns are

00:59:23.780 she and her. I am a woman sitting at the table wearing a blue suit. My Lord. So there's an interesting

00:59:32.300 piece out today. Uh, it's actually a Twitter thread that he dropped yesterday by Alex Castellanos

00:59:37.160 Republican. And he writes as follows. The test now for Kamala is to develop the, that new agenda that

00:59:44.460 is more patriotic and less leftist radical and woke than Biden's. How far from wokeness and Biden

00:59:53.520 will the left let her go? So what do you make of that? Like, because I remember Dick Morris.com

01:00:01.220 always used to tell me that Hillary Clinton or that Bill Clinton was a liberal who governed as a

01:00:08.440 centrist and that he thought Hillary Clinton was actually a centrist who would govern as a liberal.

01:00:14.280 So what's the truth about Kamala? Oh, Kamala is a California Democrat. So she is by, you know,

01:00:22.280 reflexive nature, a very combative, hard hitting leftist. And so as we saw during the primary campaign,

01:00:29.840 she tried to move as far as the, to the left as she could without even sometimes surpassing Bernie

01:00:36.560 Sanders. I think there was that, there was that study during the campaign when Biden chose her to

01:00:41.640 be the vice president, that she was more left than Bernie Sanders. So she's on the record as being

01:00:47.380 very liberal on issues of immigration, issues of, you know, DEI. She's as vice president, she's

01:00:55.240 campaigned expense, you know, she's campaigned for DEI and DEI principles because she says, you know,

01:01:03.640 this is what, and during the campaign, she even had that video saying DEI is important because it is

01:01:10.440 the equality of outcome, not just the equality of opportunity. So she believes in these ideas

01:01:15.340 and you can guarantee she's going to push them forward as if she wins the presidency.

01:01:20.680 The hope, as I understand it on the democratic side is that she will come in, she will energize

01:01:27.700 young, um, potentially female voters. Those are two different voting groups that she can,

01:01:34.520 she can gin up excitement amongst young, uh, voters, maybe female voters, and also non white voters

01:01:41.040 who are not in love with Joe Biden. The worry is that she'll cost the Democrats with white voters

01:01:49.000 and old voters and working class voters that had been sticking with Joe Biden. Those who'd been

01:01:55.360 sticking with Scranton Joe and hadn't migrated over to Trump. And there's a very interesting

01:02:01.440 Quinnipiac poll out today that takes a look at one of those voting groups and it's young voters.

01:02:08.020 This, they pulled July 19th through Sunday, July 21st, which was of course the day that Joe Biden

01:02:15.160 announced he was stepping down and that Kamala Harris was being endorsed by him. Um, so it's not

01:02:21.520 all post her, you know, ascension, but, uh, it was while everybody was speculating that it was likely

01:02:28.900 to happen. And at least one day captured where he had stepped down and endorsed her. And in this poll,

01:02:35.120 it shows that with young voters, meaning, um, I think it's 18 to yeah, 18 to 34

01:02:40.720 Trump's advantage over Kamala Harris is 19 points. It's 19 points. What was Trump's advantage over

01:02:52.860 Biden in that very same poll? Cause they, they pulled Trump V Biden, Trump V Harris.

01:02:58.180 It was 17 points. So Trump in this poll does better with young voters against Harris than he

01:03:08.120 was doing even with Biden. And if you look back at this poll, Deb, what was the earlier date that

01:03:14.720 we looked at? What month June? Okay. If you look back at June 26th, a month earlier, how were things

01:03:22.640 going with young voters in that poll? Biden was up over Trump by two. So Biden suffered a 19 point

01:03:32.940 swing to the negative post debate and post assassination attempt with young voters to Trump

01:03:40.280 and Kamala Harris is down even more when it comes to young voters again, post debate and post assassination

01:03:48.620 attempt, which, you know, as we saw Mark Zuckerberg of meta saying the other day, Trump looked very

01:03:54.120 bad-ass in that moment. And I think did cause a lot of people to see him a different way and maybe even

01:04:00.580 feel somewhat inspired by him. So I don't know. I mean, my thought on this online was, um, Houston,

01:04:06.540 we have a problem if the plan is she's going to rescue the loot, the youth vote for Democrats.

01:04:14.380 Right. Megan, that kind of explains to me why they're pushing this sort of this

01:04:18.480 TikTok version of Kamala Harris, who's so brat and so cool and trying to really push for an

01:04:24.720 authentic Kamala Harris that can sell to young people. Wow. They have so much work to do

01:04:28.780 because she spent her first three years as vice president with the only things going viral,

01:04:33.620 not her inspirational speeches, not her key slogans. Uh, but the word salads have been sort of the

01:04:40.100 top on top of mind of any, anybody who's, you know, consuming Kamala content on the internet.

01:04:45.640 What is Brett? I, we played this little, like the music video yesterday,

01:04:50.560 but it's like, Oh, what is it? Can you explain that? I'm working on it, Megan.

01:04:58.220 It's basically, uh, it's basically a, uh, a girl who is loves to dance and doesn't care who's

01:05:05.280 watching and can be a little messy, but still confident in her personality. That's based on,

01:05:10.180 I was just reading a, an article on our daily mail website from someone's far more experienced in

01:05:15.360 the term than me, but, uh, it's a good, it's a good, uh, outline of the whole thing. Check it out.

01:05:19.980 Uh, I just threw up a little in my mouth. Um, what's the story about her trying to recruit David

01:05:26.320 Plouffe? Is that true? Well, I saw all the mainstream outlets sort of mentioning David Plouffe

01:05:32.860 as a possible candidate. And that's kind of what happens as you know, Megan, when somebody's trying

01:05:38.060 to recruit somebody, but they don't necessarily feel like doing it. And so you're really trying

01:05:43.680 to push it forward to make it happen either that, or also get donors to feel comfortable enough about

01:05:49.500 donating to the campaign, you know, donate to Kamala. Hey, she might have Obama's top advisor

01:05:54.220 to help her out during the campaign. Even I even saw a report that suggested maybe Rahm Emanuel would

01:06:00.080 leave his plush, you know, his plush job as the ambassador of Japan to return and help save

01:06:06.120 the country under Kamala Harris. That's probably not likely to happen, but yeah, they are in a real

01:06:12.680 crisis. They need to get a senior team around them right now. And, but what political operative

01:06:18.900 really wants this job, this thankless job to try to remake Kamala Harris a hundred days before the

01:06:24.000 election. I just think it's going to be so interesting over the next hundred days, because

01:06:28.300 as I said, I think team Kamala and, and the Democrats are going to blame everything on Joe Biden. Now

01:06:33.940 they're going to demonize Trump. Yes. But they're going to try to blame all the inflation numbers

01:06:38.280 and all that. That was a, that was a Joe Biden problem. That wasn't a Kamala Harris problem.

01:06:42.060 And my sense is that when they were more aligned, she was in the white house working under him.

01:06:47.780 She was the receptacle for all of the thankless tasks. He didn't want to touch who would make her

01:06:55.500 the border czar. He just wanted to dump it on her and say, and I'll tell you, like, I can't get

01:07:01.680 specific about which organization it was, but sometimes even in the news business, when you have

01:07:07.540 one show that's having trouble, they'll take another show in which they're not that wedded to the

01:07:14.440 talent and they will dump all of their bad news stories on the second to distract from what's

01:07:21.380 happening with their favorite stars and whatever drama is having or happening over here. So let's say

01:07:26.680 outside magazines call up to say, Oh my God, something terrible happened with your favorite

01:07:31.760 show. They say, Oh, look over here, dumpster fire, dumpster fire. And then that just becomes a bigger

01:07:36.860 fire and resentments are bred. And I could see that that may have happened to Kamala Harris, right? That

01:07:44.020 Joe Biden just dumped or the white house just dumped all the bad news cycles on her. She's a bully.

01:07:49.500 She's nasty. She fucked up the border, all that stuff. And so now she's got a hundred days to

01:07:56.580 redefine herself. It's not a long time, but for that, they have only themselves to thank.

01:08:03.220 Right. And you have a lot of bruised egos from Biden's top team, right? The same ones that argued

01:08:08.820 that he could pull it off, that he could keep going. Now those egos are bruised. And anytime Kamala Harris's

01:08:15.060 team tries to throw him under the bus, they're going to be fiercely defensive of the president.

01:08:20.320 So it's interesting the way you described it, Megan, reminded me of how Al Gore was when he was

01:08:25.780 running for president to replace Bill Clinton, right? Or not replace Bill Clinton, but to succeed

01:08:31.780 Bill Clinton. There were so many stories about how, you know, he was struggling so hard just to be,

01:08:37.920 you know, approachable, to seem like a real person. And it was a real struggle between both camps

01:08:44.260 just to get him, you know, just to push him forward as a viable Democrat who could, who could beat

01:08:49.100 Bush. Just seem like a real person for the love of God. Well, just yesterday, we're cramming it all

01:08:55.340 into a hundred days. Whereas before that it was, it was a process of a couple of years. So it's going

01:09:00.940 to get real. But the media knows what they're supposed to do. I mean, just yesterday we were

01:09:03.680 mocking a line, a CNN writer had tweeted out, by the way, when Kamala was on the phone dealing with

01:09:08.960 all this on Sunday, she was wearing sweatpants and she was ordering pizza. Like, Oh, you mean like

01:09:16.400 a human? Not just pizza. Because we all do that. Pizza with anchovies on top.

01:09:24.200 And then I'll give you this, um, this last piece. Okay. Wait, two things. The New York times,

01:09:30.380 Harris is expected to speak soon in Milwaukee. I mean, good luck with Wisconsin. I don't know.

01:09:34.500 I don't think that's her voting base. They're already saying she's got to avoid, she's got

01:09:38.840 to move on from the blue wall States and focus more on the sunbelt, like possibly Arizona,

01:09:45.940 Georgia, North Carolina. Um, the feeling being in Democrat circles, those States have more

01:09:51.580 black and Hispanic voters that she could potentially lure over because for them, everything is about

01:09:55.540 skin color. If you're black, you're going to vote for Kamala. If you're Hispanic, you're

01:09:58.580 going to vote for Kamala. Check the polls. It's not true. Democrats. Anywho, she is spending

01:10:03.760 sometime in Milwaukee and several people are holding up letters that spell. Yes, we cam K a M

01:10:11.360 again. So cringy. You remember Barack Obama? Yes, we can. Yeah. And I'll leave you with this one,

01:10:21.680 Charlie, Michael Steele. He used to be a Republican. He used to run the Republican national committee.

01:10:26.440 He just tweeted out, Hey, real Donald Trump. You ready for this? And would you look at what he

01:10:32.640 posted? It's Kamala Harris in what is this? Captain America garb. I'm not a superhero. I'm

01:10:41.080 not a superhero. That's not wonder woman. That's definitely an attempt at captain America.

01:10:45.120 Yes. And Kamala Harris has never looked so good in her life, but I'm sorry.

01:10:51.780 She's their savior. I can do wonders. Okay. We'll see. Uh, you know, we're going to learn a lot over

01:10:58.600 the next three months, Charlie. Thanks for helping us get there. You bet. Thanks so much, Megan.

01:11:04.120 Okay. Up next, we dive deep into the security failures that led to the attempted assassination of

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01:11:18.580 new facts. And we're actually learning who's doing this, who's pointing at whom listening audience.

01:11:24.900 I'm pointing my fingers left and right at each other. Um, maybe making a little progress and getting

01:11:29.960 down to who was responsible. And by the way, it had nothing to do with slope with a sloped roof

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01:12:42.840 Earlier today, Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheadle announced she would be resigning from

01:12:48.220 the Secret Service in part due to her disastrous performance before Congress when they cross

01:12:54.780 examined her about the attempt on former President Trump's life. I mean, she was,

01:12:59.400 she, all she did was obfuscate. She was not there to help. She doesn't understand the stakes of this

01:13:06.360 investigation apparently, which not only affect President Trump, but President Biden. And don't

01:13:12.780 forget, she went to the head of the Secret Service from being Jill Biden's security guard,

01:13:17.620 her favorite Secret Service agent. But you know what? He's in danger too with leadership like Kim

01:13:22.680 Cheadle. In that hearing yesterday, she just outright refused to answer even basic questions.

01:13:28.340 Watch. How many explosive devices were found on or near the site? Again, I would have to defer you to

01:13:36.400 the FBI. Was Mr. Crooks acting alone? Again, I would have to refer you to the FBI's investigation.

01:13:43.520 Was he just a lone gunman? I would have to refer you to the FBI's investigation for motive.

01:13:48.360 Can you please give me the names of the individuals who are in charge of your con-op for the rally?

01:13:52.540 I'm not going to release names. Can you give me the titles? And how many individuals?

01:13:57.900 No. Nothing? We had a full advance team that was responsible for advancing the site.

01:14:01.580 How many people are the final approval authority?

01:14:04.240 There are a number of people that are engaged in approving the plan.

01:14:08.440 Can you give me a number? No, I do not have. Okay.

01:14:10.900 How can a 20-year-old with his father's AR-15 assault weapon climb onto a roof without the

01:14:17.520 Secret Service or local police stopping him? And I would like to know those answers as well.

01:14:22.820 You keep referring to the FBI. Who at the FBI should I speak with?

01:14:30.220 Wait for it. Wait for it.

01:14:32.380 The FBI is responsible for the criminal. Is there a name?

01:14:35.420 I'm not certain. I'm not certain.

01:14:37.300 So frustrating. Today, lawmakers are searching for answers yet again. This is not over just

01:14:44.460 because Kim Cheadle's agreeing to step down. She should have done the day that this happened,

01:14:47.860 the day of the attempted assassination. It's not over. We don't have any answers to any questions

01:14:53.320 at all. A few were forthcoming today as lawmakers are questioning the Pennsylvania State Police

01:15:00.840 Commissioner, who so far has been much more forthcoming. We'll play you some of that. Joining me

01:15:06.760 now, Mike Baker, host of the President's Daily Brief podcast, available on YouTube and all podcast

01:15:12.340 platforms. Mike, welcome back. Great to see you.

01:15:15.180 Thank you, Megan. Appreciate it very much.

01:15:17.680 Okay. So this guy had a different tact, and it was somewhat refreshing to hear actual answers

01:15:21.460 come out. Let's see. Should we start with 32, South 32, where Representative Dan Bishop,

01:15:27.940 he's a Republican in North Carolina, questions this gentleman, the police commissioner, Christopher

01:15:32.920 Paris, on the location of the various officers on scene?

01:15:39.300 Had ESU maintained position in that window overlooking the roof, isn't it true that they

01:15:49.380 would have had a clean shot at Mr. Crooks as he was ascending the roof to his shooting position?

01:15:55.920 I'm not prepared to say that because I don't know the exact timeline of events.

01:15:59.760 But it's your understanding, though, that they were no longer in that room where they had

01:16:03.980 been previously overlooking the building at the time he was ascending the roof. Is that

01:16:08.420 correct?

01:16:09.320 Could you repeat that question?

01:16:10.620 The ESU officers were no longer in that room where they could look out the window and oversee

01:16:18.020 the roof as that video shows.

01:16:20.220 I believe they were actively searching along with additional municipal officers for Mr.

01:16:23.880 Crooks.

01:16:24.240 Okay. So they're trying to get to why there weren't more eyes on the roof, the area around

01:16:31.360 the roof. And when things hit the fan, where the local cops, the ESU, that stands for emergency

01:16:37.320 services unit local, where they were, what they were doing. I don't know that we've solved

01:16:42.060 that, Mike, but what we've gotten to now is a pretty clear picture that the Secret Service

01:16:48.180 had pretty much nothing to do with that building. They completely delegated it to the locals.

01:16:53.780 This guy testified that there were 32 members of local law enforcement there to support Secret

01:17:00.820 Service and that Secret State Police and that Secret Service basically washed their hands

01:17:08.820 of this building. And these guys, once the delegation took place, there were no comms

01:17:14.680 between them. They weren't on the same comms line. That was another thing we learned.

01:17:18.860 So like when the locals, you know, presumably heard word, we're going to get to all that

01:17:23.000 from the rally goers. There's a guy on the roof. It wasn't as easy as pressing down your comms

01:17:29.620 button on your walkie talkie and saying, hey, Secret Service, take out this guy. You're

01:17:33.580 communicating only to other locals. And then on top of all that, Mike, we began the show with

01:17:37.840 Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri saying he's had whistleblowers come forward to him to say that

01:17:43.140 there was a guy who was dedicated to the roof. He got down from the roof because it was too hot.

01:17:50.480 We went back and looked up the high in Butler, Pennsylvania that day, 76 degrees,

01:17:56.360 all of which leaves us where. Yeah. First of all, full marks to Kimberly Chienel for

01:18:06.040 being the first person to ever get Democrat Jamie Raskin and James Comer on the Republican side to

01:18:12.880 agree on anything. And they both agreed after that disastrous hearing, five hours worth of nonsense

01:18:19.260 that she had to go. And she did resign. But, you know, obviously about nine days later than she should

01:18:25.960 have. But this was a series of critical mistakes from start to finish from the very outset. And

01:18:33.320 there's a methodology here. Let me let me start from there. There's a methodology to the security

01:18:38.260 planning for an event, whether it's a rally or a sporting event or whatever it may be. And there's

01:18:45.420 a difference between a national security event, which is something like the RNC or the DNC or the Super

01:18:50.880 Bowl, where you you have a year at least out to plan. Right. And to dedicate resources. And

01:18:56.560 obviously, you've got a mass, massive resource. And then there's the the events like took place in

01:19:01.840 Pennsylvania, campaign rallies, for instance. You have less notice, but you still have notice that

01:19:08.060 you still have you still have time to plan and you still have resources. So from the very beginning,

01:19:14.240 the planning of this by the Secret Service, which has primacy, right, they can they can task and they

01:19:21.880 can request and allocate resources from local and state police. But they're still in charge. They're

01:19:28.620 still the ones who have to make that final call and say, yes, this plan looks good. So you go out and

01:19:33.320 you do your advance. You you put together the site survey, which includes everything deployment of

01:19:38.760 resources, responsibilities, communications plan, timeline, all the the information that really

01:19:47.480 anybody who has common sense would think, yeah, you ought to put that into the plan. And then you go

01:19:52.160 you go from there. This breakdown was a series of failures, which is typical for a security process.

01:19:58.980 It's usually not just one thing. So if we break it down and we say, look, what was the planning like?

01:20:04.800 Well, now we know that Butler County, Washington County and Beaver County, they all allocated some

01:20:11.420 of their local resources to this event. Butler County was essentially command and control for

01:20:17.240 the local resources, the emergency service unit that was discussed just during that that site. But

01:20:23.500 they had a meeting the morning of the rally, the 13th of July in the morning, about 9 a.m. or so.

01:20:30.660 They had a meeting of local officials, the sniper teams, the SWAT teams, patrol, all those local

01:20:37.040 elements gathered together to discuss what was going to happen later that day. And guess who didn't

01:20:42.980 attend? The Secret Service. They, for whatever reason, and that's another thing that we need to

01:20:48.860 figure out, why didn't you feel it was important to attend this essentially final pre-op briefing,

01:20:56.060 mission briefing, and go through it and say, you know what, what about this building here? I know

01:21:01.780 that we said it's outside our perimeter, but what are you doing? And then they would have heard

01:21:06.420 theoretically, well, we're, we're going to man it from inside the building. Oh, okay. Well, why are

01:21:10.940 you doing that? Why don't you cover down the rooftops? Why don't you take what is obviously a

01:21:15.440 problem and resolve it? That didn't happen. Then you have the comms. I'm sorry to bang out about all

01:21:21.580 this, but there's so many areas that we need to discuss. Then you have the communications issue.

01:21:25.840 It's not unusual to have multiple frequencies in an operational setting. That's, that's fairly

01:21:32.600 standard, right? But because it's fairly standard, you also have command and control that works around

01:21:37.980 that and allows you to communicate effectively, efficiently, and quickly, right? In real-time

01:21:43.000 situations where things are heading south. They didn't have that. Communications for the SWAT team,

01:21:49.560 the local, I'm talking local police, the SWAT teams, uh, the sniper teams from the local

01:21:54.440 authorities, uh, patrol from local authorities, those were operating on different frequencies

01:21:58.980 as were the secret service. So if patrol from a local authority saw crooks, which they did,

01:22:06.060 and then they report it eventually, and they get it to the emergency services, the command and control

01:22:11.640 for Butler County, those people hear it and go, oh, okay, got it. Now they got to sit around and think,

01:22:15.900 well, what do we do about that? Well, let's, let's, let's move it forward. Eventually it makes

01:22:20.780 its way to the secret service, uh, frequency to the command and control of secret service.

01:22:25.900 And that's, again, we don't know what that process was because Kimberly Cheadle decided to show up at

01:22:31.420 this accountability and oversight committee hearing without, uh, what should have been archived

01:22:37.740 communications records, right? From the secret service. So we know at about 5, 10 PM, uh, Butler

01:22:45.300 County, uh, local authorities, an hour before the shooting, an hour before the shooting, shooting

01:22:50.640 took place at 11 minutes after 6 PM. So about 5, 10, they spot crooks and they're concerned enough to

01:22:59.020 on their side, on the local authority side, say, oh, that's a suspicious person. Uh, how about that?

01:23:05.340 And then a couple minutes later, a few minutes later, they take a picture of him. Okay. How about

01:23:11.380 you confront him, uh, and, and ask what he's doing. Uh, and then roughly about, uh, 25 minutes later or so,

01:23:20.880 uh, it makes that suspicious report makes its way reportedly. We still don't know because we haven't

01:23:28.100 seen those records because Kimberly Cheadle decided it wasn't important, uh, makes its way to secret

01:23:33.060 service. Then you've got the overarching massive question. You've got a report of a suspicious

01:23:40.560 person. You're apparently looking for him now by all accounts from, from local authorities. Now

01:23:46.640 we're looking for him, including taking the person off the roof to go and assist or take the people,

01:23:52.220 people out of the AGR building. So at what point did they not realize that let's hold,

01:24:02.740 former president Trump in a secure side, keep them there until we resolve this issue. There are so

01:24:09.860 many problems in this that, I mean, we, we can't cover it during the time that you, you've got with

01:24:17.400 me. Uh, but it is, it is astounding. I've, I've been doing this for 40 some odd years. I hate to say

01:24:23.640 it in terms of, uh, uh, risk and threat assessments, protecting, uh, individuals, uh, facilities

01:24:30.660 overseas and some very hostile environments. It's difficult. It's labor intensive. You have to be

01:24:37.100 meticulous in your planning, but you do it over and over again. Right. And it's not rocket science.

01:24:43.560 So I ask you, I should remind my audience that you're former CIA. You've done security planning

01:24:48.500 for massive events many times, but I, I kind of understand. I'm not excusing, but I'm starting to

01:24:56.280 understand that the locals screwed up. If they were responsible for that building, then they screwed

01:25:01.280 up. Ultimately it's the secret service's fault. I get that too. They're the ones responsible for

01:25:05.480 protecting the president, but the locals seem to have dropped the ball. They did not have somebody

01:25:10.280 who's unquestioned. No one was up there when crooks got up there. And I don't know whether he left

01:25:15.560 because he was hot. He was never there. It was a sloped roof. We all know that's not true, but for

01:25:20.240 whatever reason, nobody was up there and that was a failing. So I don't understand though, Mike, how

01:25:25.740 we got to the point where the director of the secret service, I understand nobody wants to blame

01:25:32.160 each other. You know, that's, it's a nice principle, but a man's dead and a former president was almost

01:25:38.080 shot dead. So now we're going to have to have some hard conversations with real truths. Why wouldn't

01:25:43.940 Kim Cheadle just come out and say, we delegated responsibility for that building to the locals.

01:25:50.140 The locals should have had somebody on the roof. They didn't. That was a failing it's on them. And

01:25:57.060 yes, ultimately it is on me. Instead, we got this nonsense. I'll play it here. Cause she went on ABC

01:26:04.360 news. And as the lawmakers pointed out yesterday, she seems to have answered way more questions with

01:26:08.020 ABC than she would in front of our lawmakers who are us. They're representing us. But this,

01:26:12.840 instead of just saying what I just said, she said this, um, inside 27 roof have been secure, period.

01:26:19.560 That building in particular has a sloped roof, uh, at its highest point. Um, and so, you know,

01:26:25.080 there's a safety factor that would be considered there that we wouldn't want to put somebody up

01:26:28.560 on a sloped roof. Uh, and so, you know, the decision was made to secure the building, uh, from inside.

01:26:35.980 Explain that to me.

01:26:36.880 Yeah. Well, uh, I, I guess from my perspective, you know, four decades, uh, worth of, of being

01:26:43.640 engaged in, in, uh, intelligence and security operations around the world. And that is the

01:26:49.220 stupidest statement I've ever heard come from a security, uh, expert. And look, she, she's got

01:26:54.780 almost 30 years in with the secret service. So she's not stupid by any means. Right. Um, it's a failure

01:27:00.760 of, of, of, uh, leadership. It's a complete breakdown in crisis communications management

01:27:05.940 and strategy. Uh, it, this is one-on-one for crisis communications and how they botched this

01:27:13.080 after such a, an awful result on that rally day in Pennsylvania. I have no idea because you're

01:27:20.020 exactly right. That's what she should have come, come out and done and said, we will, and not only

01:27:25.080 that, but we will get you answers immediately. The nonsense during the accountability hearing,

01:27:29.880 when they said, or she said, man, you know, we're working on that internal review and we're going

01:27:34.840 to get a report in, uh, maybe like 60 days. It's ridiculous. Uh, that's astounding. And so

01:27:42.540 Mike, especially because look, look what period we're in right now in American politics. This

01:27:46.760 will be the sixties busiest days that Donald Trump has had. And now Kamala Harris will have

01:27:52.560 in the course of the last year. This is the lead up to the presidential election. They're going to be

01:27:57.960 everywhere. It's going to be nonstop rallies outside, inside big events, conventions.

01:28:03.260 It's not okay to say, eh, in two months, we think we'll have it figured out. There was no urgency.

01:28:11.200 And I, this is the thing that just keeps stripping me up as not a security expert,

01:28:15.020 but this is a lawyer. She lied. The, the, the sloped roof thing is a lie. And everybody knows

01:28:22.940 that by now, but I will show you because that representative Eli Crane represented,

01:28:25.920 he's a Republican from Arizona, went up to the roof and this has gone viral online.

01:28:30.540 And he kind of brought us through what the roof looks like just to put a fine point on it. And

01:28:35.820 it's, I think it's up 30. It's not that steep at all. Just had a 70 year old man back here climb up

01:28:42.220 on the, uh, on the roof easily. See that water tower behind me at secret service or anybody had

01:28:49.820 sniper teams up there. This guy wouldn't have made it, um, five feet up this roof. Um,

01:28:56.060 he would have been taken out behind me. You see the windows that, uh, secret service was supposedly in

01:29:04.220 the second floor of this building behind makes you wonder why they weren't able to quickly dispatch

01:29:10.380 individual. Um, and then behind me back over here where those red roofs are, that's where the stage

01:29:18.200 was set up. That's where the president was giving his speech from a lot of questions here in Butler.

01:29:24.320 I mean, so flat, you can pour cake batter on it. So it's, that's where I get caught up. It's,

01:29:30.780 she lied. So now how do we get to the bottom of why she lied? She's still under, she could be

01:29:38.360 subpoenaed. She's not like free to ignore them just because she's stepping down. Um, and I don't

01:29:44.480 know, how does this look to you now? If you factor in lying, does it still look like massive incompetence

01:29:50.720 or something even worse? No, I think it's massive incompetence. Uh, frankly, look, I spent long enough

01:29:56.780 time in, in, in government to know that, you know, there's some wonderful people working there and

01:30:00.880 there's some, you know, deadwood. Um, and you know, so it's, it's not unlike any large corporation

01:30:07.580 in a way you got great people, you got less than great people, you got people just carrying, skating

01:30:11.540 by. Um, so, you know, this, this is different though. This is, this is a situation where you've got an

01:30:20.020 agency that that's their primary function, protecting the lives of their protectees.

01:30:26.780 And every single time out, right. You need to get it right. And that's a burden, right? Because

01:30:34.600 it's like in counterterrorism, you know, you have to get it right. Every time the bad guys just have

01:30:39.760 to get lucky once. Right. But that demands that you do everything according to, uh, protocols,

01:30:47.780 according to the methodology that, you know, gives you that best possible result. And that's where

01:30:54.600 this fell apart. And so it's compounded as you pointed out by the, by the after action. And that

01:31:02.420 is, I I'm just as confused as anyone else, because I have no idea how somebody in that position could

01:31:08.800 be, even if she's not the brightest bulb in the box, they've got other people there who should be

01:31:14.560 advising and saying, here's what we need to do. Get an answer, get to the rally site tonight, right?

01:31:19.840 The evening of that, they should have flown out to that site. She should have been on the ground,

01:31:23.780 right? All hands on deck. Demonstrating leadership, right? But yes, I like, I'm thinking about Jocko

01:31:29.620 Willink and his, um, extreme accountability approach to life. And when he was a seal and he has a viral

01:31:36.420 Ted talk on it and he's been on the show talking about it. This is the opposite of that. What we

01:31:41.060 should have seen was the locals, the guy who put the building outside the security perimeter,

01:31:45.980 the guy who was supposed to be on the roof or who chose for whatever reason to be inside the

01:31:50.780 building, as opposed to on top. Um, at least those guys and more should have been saying it was my

01:31:56.200 fault. I take responsibility. It was on me and Kim Cheadle chief among them. What we have instead is

01:32:03.160 no one saying anything. And now the secret service trying to quietly behind the scenes,

01:32:10.260 blame the locals, even though it's their responsibility and now the locals, um, blaming

01:32:16.480 the secret service. So here, this is what we're learning from the questioning today. Um, the

01:32:21.420 building where the shooter was and who was in charge at the state police commissioner, we just showed you

01:32:25.640 said that, um, they believe that the, the Butler ESU emergency services unit, they were responsible for

01:32:32.940 that building. But, and he said two people were in the building and that they were in a window,

01:32:38.540 like watching. And that at a certain point they began searching for crooks, the shooter,

01:32:43.600 and they left the window to go search for crooks. But meanwhile, that too would be a gross security

01:32:50.160 failure. Mike, I don't have to tell you, even I, as somebody who's had to be protected by guards at

01:32:54.100 certain points in my life, understand that if you have two security guards and there's a threat

01:32:58.540 coming, one always stays with the target that they're there to protect. The other goes in searches.

01:33:03.520 They don't both leave because we all know what could happen. The bad guy could come to the now

01:33:07.940 unprotected building and do the very thing that you're afraid he might do. So that just doesn't

01:33:11.380 make any sense. And if it does, it's really stupid. And then the second piece is they said,

01:33:15.920 um, that they told they're now claiming in this testimony, local authorities told secret service,

01:33:22.660 they did not have the manpower two days before this happened to take on the task of that building.

01:33:29.640 Uh, the Butler township manager, Tom Knights said that the message was sent to secret service

01:33:35.280 two days before the Trump rally, his team could only handle traffic control. And they claim this

01:33:43.100 is according to actually KDK, a TV reporting the secret service never responded to those messages.

01:33:50.000 Now, again, this to me just feels like classic blame game. Like, well, yeah, we were responsible,

01:33:55.840 but we told them we couldn't be responsible and they never got back to us. And therefore we just

01:34:00.760 let the president get shot, but it's still on them. Yeah. That, that all, that all falls in

01:34:05.360 the bucket. That's marked, you know, failure to communicate. Right. And, and you're right. When

01:34:10.620 going back to the, the, the coverage inside that building, right. When they decided to leave their

01:34:15.600 post to go look for the suspicious character, um, again, first and foremost, why didn't one person

01:34:23.160 remain? Why didn't they also notify saying, Hey, we're going to be, uh, you know, leaving post

01:34:28.720 looking for suspicious character, that information should have been relayed immediately. If it wasn't,

01:34:33.460 again, we don't know because they haven't, you know, provided that information. Was it relayed

01:34:37.520 immediately to secret service? And again, going back to the top line question, why wouldn't you

01:34:41.620 hold a protectee offsite in a secure location until you resolve these problems, which were unfolding

01:34:47.420 over the course of an hour? So all of this, the, the answer to all of this is, and as you pointed out,

01:34:54.540 we've got a very busy political season staring us in the face and it demands immediate action

01:35:02.320 because they need to understand now how this fell apart so that it doesn't happen again. And look,

01:35:10.300 the hardworking men and women of the secret service, including those on the stage that covered down

01:35:15.160 former president Trump, right. They have got to be, and I, I, I know that they are embarrassed

01:35:20.860 at the responses from the leadership from Kimberly Cheadle, uh, at the secret service. Um, and,

01:35:27.240 and they, they should expect and, and deserve better, right. For better top cover, but also

01:35:36.260 Kimberly Cheadle probably should have shown up at that oversight and accountability hearing

01:35:40.340 with the agents in charge for that day in Pennsylvania, who were involved in the site survey

01:35:48.060 from the secret service side. Um, she, she wouldn't even give their names. It's such a breakdown.

01:35:53.600 It's such a breakdown in crisis communications. We're 10 days out. We still don't know any names

01:35:59.180 except for hers. And up until two hours ago, she wouldn't step down or actually take responsibility.

01:36:06.660 She was giving it lip service, but she wasn't actually taking responsibility. You know, she kept

01:36:11.400 saying the buck stops with me, the buck stops with me, but it certainly didn't look like it.

01:36:15.040 Yeah. Yeah. I don't think she knows what that phrase means. Um, I think she was very confused

01:36:19.880 by that. And, uh, clearly the buck didn't stop with her. She spent all her time trying to box it up

01:36:25.060 and pass the buck. Uh, so, and, and then she did also say during this, this committee hearing that

01:36:30.900 she's the best person to lead the secret service at this time. I mean, honest to God, I mentioned it,

01:36:36.440 uh, I think this morning on the president's daily brief, I would rather have seen Paul Blart,

01:36:40.560 the mall cop, uh, running the secret service to Kimberly. Honestly, it's like, there's only so

01:36:48.000 much you can do. I mean, president Trump is a rich man, but even he, like, it's very tough to hire

01:36:53.340 private security and have them stationed like counter snipers on every building, everywhere you

01:36:59.320 go. There's a reason we give our former presidents secret service protection and certainly our

01:37:03.780 nominees for president. And this is, you know, we already know that the Iranians had a potential hit

01:37:10.240 out on him after Soleimani. So all the threat around him, uh, was raising and yet there wasn't

01:37:15.880 an adequate response. So let me ask you that. Yeah, go ahead, Mike. I'm sorry. That's, I was

01:37:22.340 going to say you, you, you raised the, the Iranian threat issue. And again, inconsistency in what we're

01:37:28.320 hearing from the secret service, because at one point they said, look, we, we were aware of that

01:37:32.180 Iranian threat ahead of the Pennsylvania rally. So we enhanced his security package. Right. And now

01:37:38.020 we're also hearing some information that says, you know what, ahead of that rally,

01:37:43.000 the secret service wasn't planning on sending sniper teams and had advised local authorities

01:37:47.980 that they were going to have to heavy up on that side of things. Right. And then they eventually

01:37:51.660 decided to provide two counter sniper teams. Uh, so there are so many inconsistencies and yes,

01:38:00.840 the public deserves to know how this thing fell apart, but more importantly, we need to get it right.

01:38:07.720 Right. We need to get that information internally. And that needs to, to, to, to address all these

01:38:14.840 issues. I was watching Trump in, um, I guess it was Michigan, right? The first appearance he made

01:38:19.300 after the Republican national convention. And all I could think was, I realized that Trump has behaved

01:38:24.380 in almost a super human kind of way in the wake of this assassination, but he is not super human.

01:38:29.680 He's human. And he's got to be feeling somewhat jittery going. It's not like he has a whole new

01:38:38.600 team or he no longer uses secret service. He's still reliant on them and has got to go to rally

01:38:47.280 after rally after rally. And all I could think is there's gotta be something inside of him. It's like,

01:38:52.180 Oh my gosh, this is a little scary to be right back in front of all these people. And I don't know

01:38:57.180 who I can trust and whether we really have adequate protection here. How are you feeling

01:39:01.500 about it with, you know, a hundred days left to this election process?

01:39:05.180 Well, look, I know a lot of the folks, um, who work the streets, uh, work operations for

01:39:11.100 secret service, the bureau and other, uh, organizations, and they're terrific people and

01:39:17.760 they work every day, right. To make this right. Um, but there was no doubt that clearly, clearly,

01:39:24.460 you don't have to be a rocket scientist. And this is a statement of the obvious, but there

01:39:27.860 were, there were failures that day that need to be addressed. Right. And so there should be

01:39:32.240 consequences. The, the, the, the folks who are on site in charge, right? Those are the people that

01:39:37.340 need to be, and I'm sure they are, they're doing a hot wash inside the, the secret service and the

01:39:42.580 bureau is also doing part of their investigation, uh, to look at this, but we need to get that sorted

01:39:48.680 out. I, I have confidence. I know it sounds odd. I have confidence in the secret service because

01:39:54.320 I know the men and women who do the job, right. I don't know. I agree. They, the rank and file,

01:39:59.660 they try to rank and file for sure. And, and now that they know, you know, they've been reminded

01:40:03.700 just how serious it is. That won't hurt either. Mike, I got to run. Thank you. Oh, sure. Absolutely.

01:40:08.060 Megan. Thank you very much. I want to tell you folks, president Biden has just emerged from

01:40:11.740 isolation. He's heading to the white house, uh, leaving Dover air force base. You can see him

01:40:16.940 leaving, uh, his presidential limousine. He's, is he wearing a mask? I can't tell. I don't think so.

01:40:24.320 He's holding a mask. He's slow moving, but he does appear to be there and living more on that tomorrow.

01:40:35.900 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - July 23, 2024

Dem Elite Anoint Kamala, and Secret Service Director Finally Resigns, with Sen. Josh Hawley, Charlie Spiering, and Mike Baker ｜ Ep. 845

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