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00:01:06.160 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

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00:01:52.720 But we begin today with my friend Dave Rubin.

00:01:56.120 There is continued fallout in Florida, Dave's new home state.

00:01:59.720 He left California like so many.

00:02:01.800 Now in the aftermath of Hurricane Ian, with the left trying to cover for Vice President Kamala Harris's absurd and unconstitutional equity comments

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00:03:39.860 Dave, welcome back to the show.

00:03:41.880 Megan, it's good to see you.

00:03:42.980 It's been a couple months.

00:03:44.400 We have not spoken in a while.

00:03:46.360 Then we end up doing all this publicly instead of privately.

00:03:50.000 I know.

00:03:50.460 You never know what's going to happen.

00:03:52.060 How are you, Papa?

00:03:53.180 I, so we got one out of two has arrived.

00:03:57.220 We got, we got one out of two.

00:03:59.100 Justin is nine weeks old.

00:04:01.420 It's really been wonderful.

00:04:02.820 He's a good baby.

00:04:03.960 85th percentile in height and weight.

00:04:06.160 So he's going to be a NBA power forward.

00:04:10.260 And baby two is being induced in two days on Thursday.

00:04:14.220 She's basically, our surrogate's basically at 40 weeks now.

00:04:17.280 So the doctor's ready to do it.

00:04:19.000 And, uh, you know, I'll sleep sometime in 2026, I suppose.

00:04:22.440 That's right.

00:04:22.980 That's right.

00:04:23.360 That's what they always say.

00:04:24.040 Well, you sleep when you're dead.

00:04:24.980 And I always tell people if I've been drinking and I say that, please put me to bed right away.

00:04:28.020 No, I don't.

00:04:28.540 But when you have a baby, it's real.

00:04:30.480 So wait now, did you get the baby?

00:04:33.160 Justin Jordan.

00:04:34.100 You told me earlier is his name, which I love.

00:04:35.860 Why?

00:04:36.060 You can tell us why.

00:04:38.020 Yeah.

00:04:38.200 So, uh, Justin, well, we chose the name Justin because, uh, David, my husband's parents,

00:04:43.660 uh, had a first child named Justin who died of a heart condition when he was about six

00:04:48.480 months old.

00:04:48.940 So our Justin is in essence named for his, his uncle who unfortunately he'll never get

00:04:54.280 to meet.

00:04:54.640 And then Jordan is in honor of Jordan Peterson, who of course, not only my friend and mentor,

00:05:00.140 but someone who I, I toured with for years and really was influential in, in me coming

00:05:06.620 around and making the decision at the ripe old age of 46 to actually go ahead and have

00:05:11.620 kids.

00:05:11.960 So, uh, Jordan was very happy when we, when we told him that.

00:05:15.900 I love it.

00:05:16.500 All right.

00:05:16.760 So you're not going to share the pictures publicly, but I will confess to the audience.

00:05:20.200 I've seen a few and this may be the most beautiful baby ever.

00:05:23.760 He's spectacular.

00:05:25.200 He's a cute kid.

00:05:26.360 Oh my God.

00:05:27.040 So did you get him right away?

00:05:28.280 Did you get him like day one?

00:05:30.600 Yeah.

00:05:31.040 Yeah.

00:05:31.280 Yeah.

00:05:31.440 We were at the hospital for, for the birth.

00:05:33.820 So it's all right there.

00:05:35.760 You know, the surrogacy thing is a wild conversation, probably for another show.

00:05:40.000 We could do a couple hours on it.

00:05:41.340 And there's, there's so many complex issues and there's moral and ethical issues around

00:05:45.720 surrogacy and egg donation and all of those things.

00:05:48.360 And, and there, they can be really hard things to talk about in a lot of ways.

00:05:51.180 Uh, but this whole experience has been amazing.

00:05:53.000 The two women who are surrogates, you know, they believe that they, uh, we've had long conversations

00:05:58.560 with them about this, that they have a gift that they're able to carry children and not

00:06:02.420 every couple can have children.

00:06:03.760 And if people want to do it, it's, it's an incredible opportunity for them.

00:06:07.820 Um, and it's obviously been an incredible opportunity for us.

00:06:10.540 And we now have these lifelong friends and, uh, it's, it's really been, it's been something.

00:06:15.860 Oh, listen, I mean, these babies have it made.

00:06:19.240 They're going into a super loving home with smart, caring, involved parents.

00:06:25.340 It's, I think I'm thrilled for all four of you.

00:06:28.400 And, uh, little does your, your first little guy, Justin, know what's about to come his

00:06:32.780 way.

00:06:33.800 I feel like I should tell you, you know, this already, of course, as, as a mom, uh, but

00:06:39.700 waking up and, uh, spending a couple minutes with a baby in your arm instead of a Twitter

00:06:44.680 in your hand, a much better way to start the day.

00:06:47.720 Yeah, it's true.

00:06:48.860 I was texting with a friend of mine.

00:06:50.640 Um, he's actually, actually out in Sky News, Australia, Paul Murray.

00:06:53.520 And, and he was saying something like, um, he sent me something and I didn't get back

00:06:58.120 to him cause I'm a bad texter.

00:06:59.100 And I wrote back saying, I'm sorry, I'm just a slow texter.

00:07:01.240 And he said, no, you're a mature adult who doesn't spend her entire day on your phone

00:07:05.500 and on Twitter.

00:07:06.040 I'm like, you know, that's true too.

00:07:07.740 So thank you for noticing.

00:07:09.320 Uh, but I will warn you Dave, cause you know, we had thunder and thunder.

00:07:12.620 I just realized these are dogs, not little boys, but we had thunder and thunder was so

00:07:17.400 good.

00:07:17.820 And she was like the perfect dog.

00:07:19.400 We're like, we need another one.

00:07:20.460 And then we brought in Mr. Strudwick and lives changed dramatically.

00:07:24.360 And now thunder gives everybody the look when they come into the house, like help me, help

00:07:28.900 me mentor.

00:07:30.400 So let's hope Justin doesn't have that in store for him when baby number two gets here.

00:07:34.820 That is my hope.

00:07:36.880 Although, uh, our dog Clyde, who you've met a couple of times, uh, you know, we were a

00:07:40.620 little worried because he's pretty rambunctious and he's a boxer.

00:07:43.580 He's got a ton of energy and, you know, boxers are known.

00:07:45.820 They're called boxers.

00:07:46.660 A lot of people don't know this.

00:07:47.980 They think it's because they have sort of a boxy like head, but it's actually because

00:07:51.180 when they jump, they punch, they actually kind of jump and punch you like a boxer.

00:07:55.240 So we were a little worried that Clyde was going to be nuts with him, but he has been absolutely

00:07:59.620 amazing.

00:08:00.100 He lays by the crib and if he's crying, he goes and gets us like he's really something else.

00:08:04.640 So it's been nice.

00:08:05.860 Oh my gosh.

00:08:06.480 Well, I'm thrilled you're here and capable of putting two sentences together, uh, with

00:08:10.540 a new baby.

00:08:11.200 Well, let's see.

00:08:12.000 We'll, we'll see how you do.

00:08:13.440 Yeah.

00:08:13.540 Like one month from now, we'll, we'll keep putting it to the test and see how you do,

00:08:16.760 but there is a lot to go over.

00:08:17.980 So let's get to it.

00:08:18.840 The thing in Florida, your new home is absolutely insane.

00:08:22.120 We've taught, we talked about it yesterday, but just to update the audience who didn't hear

00:08:25.180 it, Kamala Harris, went out there being interviewed by preeminent journalist, Priyanka Chopra, who's

00:08:31.900 okay.

00:08:33.400 Not, not exactly, um, Edward R Murrow and, um, really wanted to get to the bottom of how,

00:08:39.060 of course, climate change caused hurricane Ian or something to that effect.

00:08:43.820 And Kamala Harris on it as an opportunity to say that, uh, equity equity is going to be

00:08:48.960 really important in directing relief funds.

00:08:51.400 Um, because not everybody starts in the same place, blah, blah, blah.

00:08:54.460 Okay.

00:08:54.880 There's a lot of people who are going to be in the same place.

00:08:55.180 You've heard it yesterday.

00:08:56.600 Now, uh, Kareem Jean-Pierre over at the white house has been peppered with questions about

00:09:00.740 this because the head of FEMA had to come out and say, she's an idiot.

00:09:03.660 That's my paraphrase.

00:09:05.520 Head of FEMA came and said that that's not, we're doing it all.

00:09:10.040 The communities that have been hard hit are the ones that are going to get the resources,

00:09:13.000 not the black communities, not the white communities.

00:09:14.880 We don't look at that down here.

00:09:16.320 And now Kareem Jean-Pierre was asked about it.

00:09:18.340 And here's how she tried to handle and spin SOP two.

00:09:20.980 Aboard Air Force One on the way down to Puerto Rico, the press secretary clarified.

00:09:28.340 We are committed to quickly getting resources to all communities impacted, period, full stop.

00:09:34.380 But we also know that some people, particularly in lower income communities, have a hard time

00:09:40.100 accessing that help.

00:09:42.020 And that is more in line with what we have been seeing and hearing from FEMA officials

00:09:46.240 talking about their responses in the U.S. mainland and also down in Puerto Rico.

00:09:51.840 OK, so the White House is basically saying she doesn't know what she's talking about,

00:09:55.460 but Kamala Harris refuses to correct herself or take ownership for her stupid ass comment.

00:10:04.180 So what do we make of that?

00:10:05.880 Oh, I thought you were throwing to her, ignoring the reporter.

00:10:09.660 OK, that was me pretending I'm Kamala Harris getting a hard question.

00:10:12.800 Yes, it is actually this incident with her.

00:10:17.220 And her answer is one of the most disgusting things I've ever heard a public official say.

00:10:21.240 There's so much to it.

00:10:22.160 First off, she specifically said equity related to communities of color.

00:10:27.680 It's her words.

00:10:29.000 We've played the unedited clip on my show probably 20 times in the last two days.

00:10:33.300 That's what she said.

00:10:34.080 Not everybody starts off at the same place.

00:10:36.440 Now, that's true, by the way.

00:10:37.560 The promise of America is not that we all start off in exactly the same place.

00:10:41.060 Some people are born rich.

00:10:42.880 Some people are born handicapped.

00:10:44.760 Some people are born in broken families.

00:10:46.260 Some people are born poor.

00:10:47.600 Some rich people become poor.

00:10:48.920 Some poor people become rich.

00:10:50.240 That's what the magic of freedom is all about, that you've got a chance to pursue happiness.

00:10:55.000 So first off, she says equity related to communities of color.

00:10:58.700 So you've got this.

00:10:59.500 We all start off in the same place.

00:11:01.280 That's what she wants.

00:11:02.220 What she said at the end was even more dangerous than the equity part related to color, though.

00:11:08.040 So she said so that we all end up in the same place.

00:11:12.220 What is that?

00:11:13.300 I mean, I mean, Megan, really try to think what a radically anti-American statement that

00:11:17.840 is, that we all end up in the same place.

00:11:19.540 It's anti-human, actually.

00:11:21.180 I mean, whether you are a good, upstanding citizen, whether you work hard, whether you

00:11:25.000 know how to innovate, whether you're in a good community.

00:11:27.600 These are all the things that you should try to do in your own life so that you end up

00:11:31.500 wherever you want to end up or at least on the quest to get there.

00:11:35.060 So she really came out not only, I honestly believe, as a racist.

00:11:39.900 Racism is in her DNA in that she wants to help certain people by the color of their skin,

00:11:46.300 thus punish other people by the color of their skin.

00:11:48.980 But she also really came out as a communist.

00:11:51.620 What would a communist or a socialist want?

00:11:54.620 They would want everyone to get the exact same stuff handed to them by the government.

00:11:59.700 So as someone in my local community pointed out this morning who grew up in communist

00:12:05.060 Poland, that in her building when she was growing up, the doctor and the janitor and

00:12:11.160 the electrician and the car salesman all lived in the exact same unit.

00:12:17.040 They all had the exact same stuff.

00:12:19.140 That's what communism is.

00:12:20.780 And what Kamala also is not acknowledging there, of course, is that she means everyone

00:12:25.100 will get the exact same stuff.

00:12:26.300 She means that for the peasants like us, not for the elites like her.

00:12:29.840 Mm hmm.

00:12:30.740 Yeah, no, you're exactly right.

00:12:32.080 I'll play it now because we're really getting into analyzing it on an intricate detail.

00:12:36.260 And you're right about everything you said.

00:12:37.940 Here she is.

00:12:38.700 This is soundbite one with a little bit more context added in the lead up to her controversial

00:12:43.160 comment.

00:12:45.120 Back when I was district attorney of San Francisco, I was elected in 2003.

00:12:49.800 I started one of the first environmental justice units of NEDA's office in the country focused

00:12:55.040 on this issue.

00:12:56.260 And in particular, on the disparities, as you have described rightly, which is that it is

00:13:02.060 our lowest income communities and our communities of color that are most impacted by these extreme

00:13:10.760 conditions and impacted by issues that are not of their own making.

00:13:16.840 And women.

00:13:18.280 Absolutely.

00:13:18.700 And so we have to address this in a way that is about giving resources based on equity,

00:13:25.840 understanding that we we fight for equality, but we also need to fight for equity, understanding

00:13:30.080 not everyone starts out at the same place.

00:13:32.520 And if we want people to be in an equal place, sometimes we have to take into account those

00:13:36.600 disparities and do that work.

00:13:40.500 There it is.

00:13:41.420 If we want people to be in an equal place, that's that's no one promised you that no one

00:13:46.100 ever promised you that go someplace else.

00:13:48.060 If you think you have a guarantee to wind up in an equal place to everybody else.

00:13:53.060 Megan, you know what?

00:13:54.200 You bust your butt.

00:13:55.720 You do a fine job and have been an excellent reporter and commentator and everything else

00:14:01.860 that you do for decades now.

00:14:03.800 You deserve everything that you've got.

00:14:06.120 And no one has a right to take that away from you.

00:14:09.000 And that that is why I say it's anti-human when they make these arguments that we will

00:14:14.300 all end up in the same place.

00:14:16.260 And by the way, that communities of color are most impacted.

00:14:20.100 I happen to live in Miami, which is southeast Florida.

00:14:22.460 So we were spared this hurricane.

00:14:24.560 But I've spent a ton of time throughout my life in southwest Florida.

00:14:27.780 My grandmother had a place on Sanibel, a little condo.

00:14:31.280 That's the barrier island that got completely decimated.

00:14:34.780 She got moved down there in the early 1970s before the bridge, which is now destroyed,

00:14:39.720 even existed.

00:14:40.740 My parents have taken over the condo.

00:14:42.160 The whole island is wrecked.

00:14:43.600 There were trailer park communities on that island.

00:14:45.720 I've been going down there for my whole life, 46 years.

00:14:48.420 I never once thought about the color of anyone's skin.

00:14:50.820 There were blue collar people.

00:14:52.000 There are some people that have a nice amount of money and live in houses on the beach.

00:14:55.800 But there are plenty of people in little one bedroom condos that come down, you know,

00:14:59.860 from Minnesota, you know, for that are the snowbirds that come down when it's winter up

00:15:04.640 there.

00:15:05.000 So it's like this has nothing to do with skin color.

00:15:09.100 But when you choose this set of ideas, when you believe that the woke ideology is the thing

00:15:14.940 that is above us more than anything else, you will come off as a racist all the time.

00:15:19.520 So she thinks she's saying something good.

00:15:22.000 But you know what?

00:15:22.900 For all those people that are down there with wrecked houses and that have lost everything,

00:15:26.240 I don't really think they I don't think the hurricane was like, yeah, we're going to take

00:15:29.700 out that house because they're black and we're going to leave those people because they're

00:15:32.660 white.

00:15:32.980 It's such nonsense.

00:15:34.700 Well, she's not the only Democrat who's coming out when they're full racist swing this week.

00:15:40.760 Nancy Pelosi, the leader over in the House, at least for now, comes out and, you know,

00:15:45.760 she's pro immigration.

00:15:47.180 Of course, she gives the tip of the hat of like, of course, we need to have a secure border,

00:15:50.700 but we really need to get those immigrants here because who the hell else is going to

00:15:54.140 pick the crops?

00:15:55.460 All right.

00:15:55.680 Here she is.

00:15:57.040 Soundbite six.

00:15:59.320 We have a shortage of workers in our country.

00:16:01.780 And you see even in Florida, some of the farmers and the growers saying, why are you shipping

00:16:06.820 these immigrants up north?

00:16:11.120 We need them to pick the crops down here.

00:16:14.200 OK, so we the reason we need immigrants to come in is we need crop pickers.

00:16:21.180 None of these people is going to be a doctor or a lawyer or a scientist.

00:16:25.420 They're going to do menial manual labor.

00:16:28.280 And that's why we need them, because God knows I, Queen Nancy Pelosi, will not be touching

00:16:31.840 the lawn.

00:16:33.240 Well, it's so interesting because they completely want this thing both ways.

00:16:36.280 Usually they'll tell us, no, we should bring these people because they are lawyers and doctors

00:16:40.200 and all of these other things.

00:16:41.240 Now, when push came to shove, suddenly, no, they're the ones who have to pick our crops.

00:16:44.860 First off, I can tell you as a new Floridian, everything here is exploding in a good sense,

00:16:50.380 meaning it's probably not the right choice of words in light of what happened.

00:16:53.260 But the economy is doing incredibly well here.

00:16:56.760 People are hiring left and right.

00:16:58.740 People are spending money.

00:17:00.020 Every store and restaurant across the state is packed.

00:17:03.680 For her to say, you know, she also said immigrants, which the implication that these people

00:17:07.880 are immigrants would imply that they are here legally, right?

00:17:11.240 But they are not legal immigrants.

00:17:13.420 These 50 people that were shipped to Martha's Vineyard and then summarily booted out within

00:17:18.020 48 hours, because that's how tolerant these love is love people are.

00:17:22.640 She should have said these are illegal aliens.

00:17:25.300 They have broken the law by being here in the first place.

00:17:28.640 Now, we can have an honest conversation about what our immigration policy should look like

00:17:34.320 and how many people should come here.

00:17:36.020 And do we need certain people to do certain jobs?

00:17:39.040 We can have all of those conversations.

00:17:40.920 Unfortunately, we can't right now because the border is basically open.

00:17:44.980 And as you know, something like two million people have already come across the border illegally

00:17:49.420 in this past year.

00:17:50.580 So everything they say is a lie.

00:17:52.880 And maybe she just wants more people to stock her her twin subzero fridges with ice cream again.

00:18:00.740 Undoubtedly, that is what she is looking for.

00:18:02.300 But I do love it because, of course, the people who accuse the right of being racist all the

00:18:06.340 time say the most racist things every other day and they never get called out on it.

00:18:10.420 That leads me to Joe Biden, who, if you didn't know, he was basically raised by Puerto Ricans.

00:18:17.420 I cracked up on my show at this one this morning.

00:18:20.020 I mean, it's just the story of the week.

00:18:22.440 I think you're going to throw to the clip, I hope.

00:18:24.900 But this one might even be better than Hillary in the hot sauce.

00:18:27.640 It's so idiotic.

00:18:30.020 All right.

00:18:30.620 Here's Joe Biden talking about how he basically is a Puerto Rican.

00:18:34.560 And so I I was sort of raised in the Puerto Rican community at home politically.

00:18:44.980 He was raised politically by the Puerto Rican at home community at home.

00:18:48.880 And he doesn't mean it doesn't mean everything this man says is meaningless drivel that he

00:18:55.800 is either making up stories of corn pop or he's reading off that teleprompter poorly.

00:19:02.080 Megan, did you catch Dr.

00:19:04.040 Jill Biden behind him there?

00:19:05.960 You can see her body language as he talks because she's like, we call them little tacos.

00:19:11.540 We call them little tacos.

00:19:12.720 We don't we don't refer to them as Puerto Ricans.

00:19:14.680 That's her.

00:19:15.600 But speaking of racist Democrats, remember, it's just like a little taco.

00:19:19.720 She has her little tacos.

00:19:21.180 Hillary carries hot sauce in her bag.

00:19:23.340 AOC has a different accent when she talks to black people.

00:19:26.400 But we're the racists.

00:19:28.040 You got to love it.

00:19:29.420 So, by the way, I'm trying to find my numbers.

00:19:32.120 So we pulled the numbers on Delaware and the Puerto Rican population there just to see

00:19:37.860 if I was sort of raised in the Puerto Rican community is true.

00:19:42.560 And here are the numbers.

00:19:43.620 OK, also, wasn't he raised in Scranton?

00:19:48.220 Isn't his whole thing that he's from Scranton?

00:19:50.180 That's in Pennsylvania.

00:19:50.880 Right.

00:19:50.900 Exactly.

00:19:51.740 OK, but he says politically.

00:19:53.220 So we'll give him that.

00:19:54.160 We'll age him up a little bit.

00:19:55.240 OK, because he says politically.

00:19:57.260 I was sort of raised in the Puerto Rican community at home politically.

00:20:00.100 All right.

00:20:00.560 So he was first elected to the U.S.

00:20:02.060 Senate in 1972.

00:20:03.140 According to the 1970 U.S.

00:20:04.660 Census, Delaware had about twenty one hundred people who were either born in Puerto Rico or descended

00:20:09.160 from Puerto Rican parents.

00:20:10.400 That was roughly zero people.

00:20:13.620 Point three nine percent of the population.

00:20:15.580 That was zero percent of the population of Delaware, which was five hundred and fifty

00:20:20.760 thousand people at the time.

00:20:22.440 In 1980, when he served a second term in the U.S.

00:20:24.520 Senate, the Puerto Rican population in Delaware had reached a whopping forty eight hundred people,

00:20:30.520 which is zero point eight percent of the state's population.

00:20:36.480 So there were zero percent Puerto Ricans in his state, but somehow he managed to find them

00:20:41.440 and be raised by them.

00:20:42.740 Politically speaking, Dave, it was as if his parents dropped him off at a bodega and said,

00:20:49.380 little Joey, learn from these people.

00:20:52.580 It's so nonsensical.

00:20:54.140 But isn't it isn't it interesting, Megan, like if you really took it, I think most people

00:20:58.680 know this in a certain way, but I've really been trying to just say it cleanly and clearly

00:21:01.980 lately.

00:21:02.600 If you just took away all of their racial pandering, what else do they have left at this point?

00:21:09.100 What policy does Joe Biden have?

00:21:12.240 What policy does Kamala Harris have?

00:21:14.200 Nancy Pelosi.

00:21:15.100 See, virtually at this point, almost any Democrat official.

00:21:18.320 And I would love to find one who is a throwback to an Ed Koch or a Daniel Patrick Moynihan or

00:21:23.640 a JFK.

00:21:24.460 But what else do they have besides racial pandering?

00:21:28.940 They pretty much have nothing.

00:21:30.740 And that actually explains why, as I'm sure you've been covering as well, the numbers for

00:21:35.760 the Latino community right now are completely breaking for the Democrats.

00:21:39.060 I mean, there is a massive shift towards the Republican Party, which was really indicated,

00:21:43.460 you know, a couple of months ago when Myra Flores, who won the first Republican seat in

00:21:49.020 a Democrat-controlled district in a Texas border town in something like 100 years.

00:21:54.240 So people are waking up to this stuff because it's just become so obvious.

00:21:57.820 Married to a border patrol agent.

00:21:58.220 So obvious.

00:21:59.080 OK, so Nancy Pelosi had more things to say.

00:22:01.540 She went on, I think, with Colbert last night and made the following bold prediction.

00:22:07.160 Dave, listen here.

00:22:07.700 What is your prediction for the election that's a little bit more than a month away?

00:22:13.800 Madam Speaker, you have the floor.

00:22:15.540 OK, thank you very much.

00:22:17.260 Well, I'm so glad you asked that question because I believe that we will win the, hold the

00:22:22.640 House.

00:22:23.540 And we will hold the House by winning more seats.

00:22:29.180 We won the 40 seats.

00:22:30.840 Then we lost some when Trump was on the ballot.

00:22:33.380 We lost some of the Trump districts, but we held and held enough seats to hold the House

00:22:38.860 with him on the ballot.

00:22:40.100 He's not on the ballot now.

00:22:41.780 Oh, did I say his name?

00:22:42.880 I didn't mean to.

00:22:45.020 Oh, Lord.

00:22:46.560 So she's wrong.

00:22:48.580 I mean, I haven't heard one smart political pundit or pollster at all say that the Democrats

00:22:55.980 are going to hold the House.

00:22:56.920 I don't know anybody who believes that.

00:22:58.780 And we talked about last week how there was this this ABC News poll just out.

00:23:02.700 And one of the things that they pointed out was that historically, if you have a president

00:23:07.900 whose approval rating is over 50 percent, he tends to lose 14 seats in the midterm election

00:23:14.500 following his ascendancy to the presidency, 14.

00:23:18.580 If his approval rating has been below 50 percent, on average, he'll lose three dozen seats.

00:23:24.440 Yes, we have a president whose approval rating hovers between 38 and 42 percent at best, 42.

00:23:30.400 So historical averages would tell you it's going to be a bloodbath.

00:23:33.680 Best case scenario, they're going to lose two dozen.

00:23:36.360 Right.

00:23:36.740 Maybe maybe 20, maybe 18.

00:23:39.780 Either way, they lose control.

00:23:41.320 So that's nonsense.

00:23:43.580 But I guess best case scenario, she's trying to put a positive spin.

00:23:46.840 One other telling thing about that, Dave, you know, like you can tell when somebody keeps

00:23:50.440 stuttering and trying to get it out, like maybe they know they know it's not true.

00:23:55.360 Yeah.

00:23:55.940 Yeah.

00:23:56.220 Well, she has a lot of tells with the way she speaks and, you know, the audience, the trained

00:24:00.140 audience at the Colbert show to applaud when they when they're supposed to applaud.

00:24:04.000 They don't they don't naturally laugh or naturally applaud.

00:24:06.760 There's a sign there and a guy that tells them when to do it.

00:24:09.240 I mean, it's a bunch of clapping seals.

00:24:10.540 They throw them some fish and they applaud and that's it.

00:24:13.940 You know, I would say one thing, which is that, you know, there is a feeling because

00:24:18.060 of the numbers that you just mentioned that there is going to be this massive red wave.

00:24:23.100 And I do sense that people have had it with the woke stuff and the gender stuff and all

00:24:26.800 the what they're doing to the kids and all the things that we've been talking about here.

00:24:30.300 That being said, you really do have to give the devil his due.

00:24:33.340 You know, we have a month to this election.

00:24:35.020 There is some really, really weird stuff happening on the Russia-Ukraine front right now.

00:24:40.320 You never know what they're going to do with suddenly announcing that that COVID, a new

00:24:44.560 super strain is out or just some weird thing.

00:24:48.780 And I think we just have to caution about that because you don't want a lot of people

00:24:53.440 just thinking, oh, you know, there's going to be this massive red wave.

00:24:55.900 We won't vote.

00:24:57.040 And then what Nancy wants to happen actually could happen.

00:25:00.500 So, yes, traditionally speaking, the incumbent on the off-year elections, his party gets walloped.

00:25:06.240 I really hope that happens.

00:25:07.800 Look, it's crazy.

00:25:09.160 My entire life, I was a lefty.

00:25:11.120 I wrote a book defending liberalism.

00:25:13.320 I was a Democrat.

00:25:14.240 I'm a newly registered Republican here in the free state of Florida.

00:25:17.840 But the Republicans, if America is going to continue with equality and not equity and

00:25:22.760 with non-racism instead of the neo-racism that they're ushering in, we have to get Republicans

00:25:28.740 in the House and the Senate.

00:25:29.800 It's as simple as that.

00:25:31.220 Republicans kind of suck, by the way.

00:25:33.020 It doesn't mean that they're so great, but they're not as bad as the Democrats.

00:25:37.100 That's the choice that Americans are faced with time and time again.

00:25:40.200 But speaking of Republicans also perhaps not being ideal, that brings us to Herschel Walker

00:25:46.140 in Georgia and the stories breaking about him.

00:25:49.540 Now, Herschel Walker seems like a perfectly affable man.

00:25:52.600 I think a lot of people love him from his football days and so on.

00:25:55.600 But his campaign is suffering some severe blows over the past 24 hours.

00:26:01.060 And I wonder what your take is on it.

00:26:02.440 First, the Daily Beast, which, of course, is out to get him as they are all Republicans

00:26:07.160 or anybody they think leans right, could be reporters, could be politicians, dropped what

00:26:13.280 is clearly oppo research that they've had in their back pocket on him for some time in

00:26:17.120 a story suggesting that he impregnated a woman.

00:26:20.280 He was not married, that he impregnated a woman and that he paid for her abortion.

00:26:24.360 And they produced evidence that they claim is his handwriting on a get well card to the

00:26:28.560 woman, the woman's testimonial and a seven hundred dollar.

00:26:32.340 I think it's seven hundred dollar check that they say is from him to her to pay for it.

00:26:37.260 He was on Hannity last night.

00:26:40.100 I think we have the soundbite.

00:26:42.020 Yeah, it's soundbite 14.

00:26:43.860 He denies it.

00:26:45.060 Listen.

00:26:46.500 So they're claiming that on September 12th of 2009 that the woman has a receipt for an

00:26:51.940 abortion.

00:26:52.660 They're claiming that five days later on September 17th, you sent a seven hundred dollar

00:26:58.940 check and that you sent it in a get well card to get well card.

00:27:04.280 It looks like it's included with your signature on in the article.

00:27:07.280 Have you seen it?

00:27:08.100 And is that your signature?

00:27:11.580 I haven't seen it, but, you know, I can tell you, I send out so many get well, send out so

00:27:18.560 much of anything.

00:27:19.420 But I can tell you right now, I never asked anyone to get an abortion.

00:27:23.500 I never paid for an abortion.

00:27:24.840 And it's a lie.

00:27:25.700 OK, he also said he randomly sends out money to people all the time, and so he doesn't

00:27:31.100 remember whether he sent this woman money.

00:27:33.240 For the record, he's a pro-life candidate who's he wants abortion to be outlawed in

00:27:39.000 Georgia, including rape and incest exceptions.

00:27:43.060 So if this is true, it's a totally fair story because it shows hypocrisy.

00:27:47.640 I mean, it's definitely an Apple research dump and the Daily Beast clearly held it for their

00:27:52.160 October surprise, but doesn't make it irrelevant if it's true, because it shows this hypocrisy.

00:27:57.900 Never never mind, you know, character, which is always, always relevant.

00:28:02.220 Right.

00:28:03.360 Because if you're running as a pro-lifer and you've paid for somebody's abortion, this

00:28:07.240 could be an issue.

00:28:08.000 By the way, same thing happened to Trump.

00:28:09.500 Right.

00:28:09.760 Like when he was running, he said he'd be the most pro-life president we've ever had.

00:28:12.760 It turned out to be true.

00:28:14.400 And then there were reports that he had impregnating, impregnated women and paid for abortions.

00:28:18.600 Who knows?

00:28:19.020 OK, so then the second shoe drops where Christian Walker, who I happen to freaking adore, who

00:28:27.240 is Herschel Walker's son, and he is not some liberal Daily Beast journalist.

00:28:32.760 He's the man's son.

00:28:34.040 He is a MAGA Trump loving conservative who, like you, just celebrated his ability to flee

00:28:40.940 California and UCLA in particular, where he towed the conservative line and took a lot

00:28:45.980 of abuse.

00:28:46.440 This guy's he's a hero, but he is he's about had it with his dad, Herschel Walker, and his

00:28:52.660 public persona he unleashed in some very powerful testimonials that he posted on his social media

00:28:59.540 last night.

00:29:00.000 Here's a sampling of it, Sat, um, 15.

00:29:05.020 I stayed silent when it came out that my father, Herschel Walker, had all these random kids

00:29:09.280 across the country, none of whom he raised.

00:29:11.900 And, you know, my favorite issue to talk about is father absent.

00:29:15.340 Surprise, because it affected me.

00:29:17.380 Family values people.

00:29:18.600 He has four kids, four different women, wasn't in the house raising one of them.

00:29:23.320 He was out having sex with other women.

00:29:25.740 The abortion card drops yesterday.

00:29:27.260 It's literally his handwriting in the car.

00:29:29.020 They say they have receipts, whatever he gets on Twitter.

00:29:31.780 He lies about it.

00:29:33.240 Everything has been a lie.

00:29:35.660 Don't lie about your life at the expense of me, my mom and all of the people that you've

00:29:40.740 affected throughout your life.

00:29:42.460 You don't get to pretend you're some moral family guy.

00:29:45.040 You don't get to pretend all these things.

00:29:46.720 Talk policy.

00:29:47.760 Talk normal.

00:29:48.680 Do not lie.

00:29:50.520 Final point, Dave.

00:29:52.840 Christian accuses Herschel Walker of threatening to kill his family members, says you've made

00:29:58.740 a mockery of our family.

00:30:00.260 You are not a family man.

00:30:01.440 When you left us to bang a bunch of women, you threatened to kill us and had us move six

00:30:07.760 times in six months running from your violence.

00:30:11.360 Herschel's response, I think, so far has been to basically say that he loves his son.

00:30:16.900 So it's getting very ugly and unfortunate.

00:30:19.860 This is, you know, let's just be honest, an important seat for Republicans in the upcoming

00:30:24.680 midterms.

00:30:25.300 And so how how are Republicans who want to see the GOP retake the Senate to process all

00:30:32.400 of this?

00:30:33.860 OK, so there's so much here.

00:30:35.400 So first off, I would say no matter what has come out, no matter what clips you just showed

00:30:39.840 or whatever else could come out, that that Herschel Walker would be a better senator than

00:30:44.020 Raphael Warnock.

00:30:44.960 That that's just number one.

00:30:45.980 He's a radical, like truly radical, wokester, leftist progressive.

00:30:50.300 That's one thing.

00:30:50.860 But that that's not to defend any of the things that Herschel either did or didn't do.

00:30:54.280 I would also say that Daily Beast is absolute trash.

00:30:57.460 And this is what they do with everybody.

00:30:59.560 They've probably got dossiers on you and me.

00:31:01.820 I mean, they are they are really sort of the worst of the worst.

00:31:05.160 OK, let's put that aside.

00:31:06.640 I would take a slightly different opinion on one thing, which was which is the hypocrisy

00:31:11.020 thing.

00:31:11.360 You know, all of us are hypocrites to some degree.

00:31:13.540 No one has always lived up to their ideals at all times.

00:31:16.400 And we also evolve on certain things.

00:31:18.680 So if you are fully pro-life, to me, you'd still have to vote for Herschel Walker.

00:31:23.720 I think, Megan, you and I are somewhat similar on the abortion topic.

00:31:27.600 I'm not totally sure.

00:31:28.340 But I would be OK with something around a 15 week ban and they could still have exceptions

00:31:33.520 for the mother's health.

00:31:35.240 That would be my own personal belief.

00:31:37.100 And that's, by the way, what we have here in Florida, which is thought of as this, you

00:31:40.260 know, far right, red state stronghold or something.

00:31:43.340 We have something that actually is a compromise.

00:31:45.840 That's far more of a compromise than having eight month abortions.

00:31:49.160 So it is possible in my estimation that maybe he did evolve.

00:31:52.680 Maybe he actually did pay for this abortion and then afterwards started thinking about

00:31:58.280 abortion a little bit differently.

00:31:59.880 Right.

00:32:00.140 I mean, I know women that have had abortions that then become, you know, hugely pro-life

00:32:05.580 because of the way they feel afterwards.

00:32:07.600 So everyone can evolve in their own way.

00:32:09.540 That's not to say that if he's lying about it and if he actually did write that and sign

00:32:13.900 the check and all that, that he should get away scot-free for the lie because it would

00:32:17.520 be better to just come out with it, say, yeah, I did this.

00:32:20.660 My my politics have changed.

00:32:22.560 I've evolved on this issue, et cetera.

00:32:25.020 But your question really was what are Republicans do?

00:32:27.320 I mean, I think in essence, you still got to vote for the guy.

00:32:29.560 I see no way around it.

00:32:30.620 It's not like he's going to drop out and they're going to throw someone else in there

00:32:33.460 that can suddenly win.

00:32:35.480 No.

00:32:35.740 Well, it reminds me in some ways of the Access Hollywood tape dropping in October before

00:32:41.260 the 2016 election.

00:32:42.900 It was so close to the actual vote.

00:32:45.900 And, you know, even Trump's some Trump's closest inner circle were saying you have to

00:32:50.420 drop out or it's going to be the worst loss you've ever suffered.

00:32:53.440 It didn't write.

00:32:53.880 Prebys say that to him.

00:32:54.800 I think Kellyanne called me.

00:32:55.720 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:56.320 In her book.

00:32:57.380 And he didn't believe that.

00:32:59.900 He believed that flawed, though he may be, the GOP would get behind him and would prefer

00:33:05.640 him to Hillary Clinton.

00:33:06.580 And this is an interesting scenario, right, because let's say people don't even believe

00:33:11.760 the abortion allegation because they hate the Daily Beast.

00:33:14.540 It's going to be tough to dismiss Christian Walker.

00:33:16.540 I mean, he's just so credible and it's his son.

00:33:20.900 But you look at the Trump situation.

00:33:24.180 Does the pro-life lobby give two dams about whether Trump impregnated a woman and may or

00:33:30.840 may not have had an abortion prior to appointing three Supreme Court justices who struck down

00:33:35.520 Roe v.

00:33:35.960 Wade?

00:33:36.580 You know, this is the position we're in right now.

00:33:39.600 And I don't know if it's new.

00:33:40.940 You know, people talk about it like it's new, like Trump was this uniquely bad figure and

00:33:44.020 people had to choose between character and policy for the first time in a unique way.

00:33:47.960 I don't think that's true.

00:33:49.220 Joe Biden.

00:33:50.080 I mean, they choose what they want to believe, right?

00:33:51.860 Joe Biden, according to Tara Reade, who I interviewed, molested her digitally in the

00:33:56.840 halls of the U.S.

00:33:57.880 Senate and then basically crapped all over her verbally and then ruined her life when she

00:34:02.760 came forward to tell the story.

00:34:04.320 We could go down.

00:34:05.260 We could be here all day if we talked about Bill Clinton and what he did to these women.

00:34:09.300 So I was like, is anybody so pure?

00:34:11.700 What about Hillary Clinton?

00:34:12.780 Want to talk about what an upstanding citizen she's been?

00:34:15.600 Like, it's so I don't know.

00:34:18.380 It's it's tough.

00:34:20.120 It's tough for voters today because we're in a day in an age when we know more about

00:34:23.740 them and their personal lives than we ever have before.

00:34:27.140 Right.

00:34:27.580 I mean, look, politicians have been doing all sorts of stuff for a long, long time.

00:34:31.760 Right.

00:34:32.040 I mean, JFK was known to have women in and out of the White House and Marilyn Monroe and

00:34:36.100 all sorts of stuff.

00:34:37.280 Right.

00:34:37.480 So this has been going on forever.

00:34:39.620 I'm curious, though.

00:34:40.360 What do you what do you think on the hypocrisy front?

00:34:42.360 And like to me, it's that people will move past it.

00:34:44.720 Actually, I think it's not even to defend whether his personal.

00:34:48.940 I think they would move past it.

00:34:50.080 But I'm just saying, journalistically, this is not an unfounded hit piece that has no

00:34:55.180 place in the pages of a paper like this is a fair game story for political world.

00:35:00.700 I mean, I would do this story on a Democrat who had said he was pro-life.

00:35:06.860 And then we found out that this I mean, I think it's a fair game story.

00:35:09.940 I'm just saying you as a consumer, you have to be smart and understand it's definitely an

00:35:13.960 oppo research dump.

00:35:15.080 They're doing it to hurt him.

00:35:16.580 And that's the difference between the Daily Beast and, you know, at least some honest

00:35:19.920 reporters.

00:35:20.300 They're doing it because they want to see him go down.

00:35:22.800 Got to factor that in.

00:35:24.040 There's been a long history of this kind of thing.

00:35:26.040 And then it's up to the voters to decide whether that story or I do think more importantly,

00:35:31.280 Christian Walker's testimonial matters.

00:35:33.100 You know, there was a day when sort of the core base of the Republican Party prided itself

00:35:38.340 on choosing men of character, women of character to be their standard bearers.

00:35:43.040 And if it's true, you know, if Christian Walker's allegations are true that he he threatened

00:35:48.220 to kill his family members, that he made a mockery of them, he left the wife to, quote,

00:35:53.400 bang a bunch of women, threatened to kill them and had them move six times in six months

00:35:57.540 running from his violence and on and on.

00:36:00.640 Like, can we really say that's irrelevant?

00:36:03.320 Like, it's totally irrelevant.

00:36:04.880 You know what's interesting?

00:36:06.120 Whether he should be elected.

00:36:08.080 Right.

00:36:08.620 So, look, obviously, if all that stuff is true, it's not irrelevant.

00:36:11.680 But one of the things that I was screaming about for years when I was on the left was

00:36:15.380 why we had to stop calling everyone racist and bigots and Nazis and all this, because

00:36:19.580 when the real bad guys came, we were never going to be able to see it.

00:36:23.320 And I think what's happening right now on the right is a little bit of what you're warning

00:36:28.160 against, which is that they see so much insanity on the left.

00:36:32.400 You know, we're going to chemically castrate kids and we're going to call everyone racist

00:36:36.400 and we're going to do, you know, demand that people be fired if they don't get these

00:36:40.600 injections.

00:36:40.940 There seems so much legitimate, legitimate insanity on the left that they're probably

00:36:47.040 willing to overlook almost anything from someone on the right.

00:36:50.620 I actually am somewhat sympathetic to that.

00:36:52.840 It's a kind of crappy thing to say in a way.

00:36:55.300 But it's like, man, if the choice is that we will only have woke radical leftists or we

00:37:00.180 will have these flawed, somewhat hypocritical, potentially, you know, having done really bad

00:37:05.940 stuff with what Christian Walker is saying is true.

00:37:07.640 I think most people are just going to overlook it and be like, no, we have to vote for the

00:37:11.240 guy.

00:37:11.440 That's the choice we got.

00:37:12.480 Well, think about that.

00:37:13.440 Look at like look at Mitt Romney, right?

00:37:15.660 Mitt Romney probably has led as as close to a totally upstanding life as you can get.

00:37:20.920 But he's incredibly wobbly.

00:37:22.760 He's a squish, you know, squish when it comes to firm conservative policies, as we've seen.

00:37:27.680 And would you really would you rather have him who's going to vote with the Democrats

00:37:32.980 a lot of the time and be marching with Black Lives Matter, a group that we now know is basically

00:37:37.100 fraudulent?

00:37:38.480 Or would you rather have somebody like Herschel Walker, who may not be the greatest dad and

00:37:42.820 family man, but was going to vote the way that you want?

00:37:45.660 And this is like.

00:37:47.340 I don't know, by the way, for the record, Raphael Warnock was accused by his wife of running

00:37:51.000 her over with his car.

00:37:52.240 She says he ran her or her foot over when he was angry.

00:37:56.740 They were having a custody dispute.

00:37:58.760 He denied it.

00:38:00.440 Apparently, the foot was not broken, so the police did not bring charges.

00:38:03.100 But there is a police report documenting her allegation.

00:38:05.360 I mean, great.

00:38:06.280 OK, great.

00:38:07.200 Listen, I got to squeeze in a quick break.

00:38:08.920 Dave, pause.

00:38:10.120 Come back in two minutes.

00:38:11.360 Dave Rubin continues right after this.

00:38:18.600 Dave Rubin of the Rubin Report is here.

00:38:20.820 And as our resident gay expert, Dave, we wanted to ask you about there's a gay controversy

00:38:28.460 in the news involving a film called Bros.

00:38:31.360 Have you been following this?

00:38:33.220 Yes, I have been following it.

00:38:35.460 And can they put gay expert under my name?

00:38:38.160 Is that possible to do on the fly?

00:38:40.500 My husband would probably disagree with that.

00:38:42.560 And you really don't want to see me dance.

00:38:44.160 But OK.

00:38:45.160 OK, I don't know if I told you this, but I have a very funny story about this.

00:38:47.940 So Doug and I were talking, we were out to dinner one time and with friends and we were

00:38:52.360 talking about this one particular news anchor.

00:38:54.440 And I'm like, I don't I don't really dig this guy he's constantly talking about.

00:38:58.660 And I whispered because we were in a restaurant and I'm it turns out I dropped the G and whispering

00:39:05.000 it.

00:39:05.400 And what I whispered was he's constantly on the air talking about his gayness.

00:39:14.100 With the G with the G gone, the dinner table had a really strange reaction.

00:39:21.020 Oh, now I got it.

00:39:22.220 I got it.

00:39:22.720 Like he is a news anchors constantly.

00:39:28.180 OK, you got to do what you got to do for ratings, you know, who would do such a thing

00:39:34.340 and update for you on my anus.

00:39:37.300 Yeah.

00:39:39.720 OK, I got to get pretty sure I can figure out who that news anchor was.

00:39:43.160 I'll bet you can.

00:39:45.100 All right.

00:39:45.780 So anyway, there's this guy named Billy Eichner, who I guess he's an actor and a comedian.

00:39:51.580 He does very funny like shorts on social media, which I've enjoyed.

00:39:56.340 But he released a movie called Bros.

00:39:59.180 And here's a clip from it.

00:40:00.240 OK, well, here it is.

00:40:01.680 This is a little unexpected.

00:40:03.220 We are in a throuple situation.

00:40:06.040 You're in a throuple.

00:40:08.320 Let me tell you what's progressive now.

00:40:10.180 Being alone.

00:40:10.960 I love my life.

00:40:11.680 I love my freedom.

00:40:12.420 I love my independence.

00:40:13.480 That's kind of sad that I don't want to be in a throuple.

00:40:15.560 I don't even want to be in a couple.

00:40:19.260 Bobby, I had sex with that 65 year old.

00:40:22.060 Jesus, he's ripped.

00:40:23.120 I know.

00:40:23.480 It's like they injected steroids into Dumbledore.

00:40:26.940 So it bombed.

00:40:28.520 I mean, I guess it was such a disaster that Billy Eichner felt the need to publicly comment

00:40:32.660 on it.

00:40:32.940 Usually just they just pretend it didn't bomb.

00:40:34.900 You know, usually it's just like, oh, no, when you if you look at the digital numbers

00:40:38.100 to whatever they spin it, he's coming out and blaming, blaming people for being homophobic.

00:40:45.500 That that's why they didn't go see the movie.

00:40:46.820 So what do we make of it?

00:40:48.560 I mean, look, I didn't see the movie.

00:40:50.440 I don't really I'm not really into romantic comedies.

00:40:52.580 And for the most part, women usually like romantic comedies.

00:40:56.540 That's sort of how it is.

00:40:57.500 Like women like romantic books and Fabio and things like that.

00:41:01.220 Like that's how it works.

00:41:02.480 So if you remove the woman from the romantic comedy, I don't know how many women say 20

00:41:08.260 to 30 year old, you know, single girls or maybe they have boyfriends or husbands or

00:41:12.920 whatever.

00:41:13.100 But they're like, oh, yes, let me go see this romantic comedy that has nothing to do

00:41:17.880 with my life.

00:41:19.260 So this has nothing to do with homophobia.

00:41:21.340 You know, this thing where if a movie does not do well or if the audiences don't like

00:41:25.420 it automatically, if you don't like Star Wars, somehow you're a racist.

00:41:28.820 And if you don't like this movie, you're a homophobe.

00:41:31.360 Also, by the way, people's habits when going to movies now are very, very different.

00:41:35.660 People don't go out as much in general.

00:41:37.720 Movies are released earlier on Apple TV and elsewhere.

00:41:41.000 So usually people seem to be going to big block blockbusters like Jurassic Park.

00:41:46.300 So maybe people are just waiting to see a movie like this with popcorn on the couch.

00:41:50.900 But either way, you know, you can just look into this guy's Twitter history and it's like

00:41:54.380 he has tweets in all caps, you know, telling half of America to go F themselves.

00:41:58.820 Because of abortion and calling people homophobes.

00:42:01.600 So maybe people just aren't into him that much or just aren't into this.

00:42:05.360 It's just what it is.

00:42:07.180 And maybe it's not that good.

00:42:08.280 I mean, maybe it's OK, but that's probably a moot point.

00:42:11.280 No, but this is why they don't they don't make romantic comedies anymore because they

00:42:14.900 don't rate.

00:42:15.600 They don't they don't collect viewers.

00:42:17.060 I, as a consumer of romantic comedies, am sad about that fact.

00:42:20.860 I would really like to see some of those fun romantic comedies that I grew up with in

00:42:24.140 the 90s and before come back.

00:42:26.600 But there's no audience for them.

00:42:28.180 It's all Marvel and like the big superhero action stuff.

00:42:30.700 And that stuff gets huge numbers.

00:42:31.960 And now what are your what are your big romantic comedies?

00:42:34.940 Which ones do you like?

00:42:36.000 Pretty Woman?

00:42:36.580 I love the movie.

00:42:37.380 Someone like you.

00:42:38.660 I thought that was amazing.

00:42:40.660 Never saw it.

00:42:42.340 What?

00:42:42.580 It's so good.

00:42:43.460 Hugh Jackman, Ashley Judd.

00:42:45.180 It was like Greg Kinnear, who I absolutely love anything with Greg Kinnear.

00:42:48.400 I would watch.

00:42:49.660 I really like the thriller genre, though.

00:42:51.360 I have to tell you, we recently watched What Lies Beneath again with Michelle Pfeiffer.

00:42:55.200 That is one of the great Harrison Ford.

00:42:57.060 Yeah, that's a good one.

00:42:59.040 Speaking of like murder, tear them up movies.

00:43:04.120 Jagged Edge, Glenn Close.

00:43:06.120 Great, great movie.

00:43:08.560 But you see, you just fatal attraction.

00:43:10.260 Is that a romantic comedy?

00:43:11.560 It's a it's a romance.

00:43:13.300 Well, it's not a comedy.

00:43:14.640 I mean, the bat scene, it's not a comedy.

00:43:16.800 Unless you're really twisted, I guess it's a comedy.

00:43:18.760 But you see, the point right there is what you just said.

00:43:21.040 You're you're someone who likes these movies.

00:43:22.760 I asked you which movie you like.

00:43:23.780 And you immediately took me to a couple murder movies.

00:43:26.260 So clearly, like these movies aren't doing what they used to do for people.

00:43:30.440 You have a you know, like you like romantic comedies.

00:43:32.580 You're like, yeah, I love Silence of the Lambs.

00:43:37.980 I'm sick and I need help, Dave.

00:43:41.160 No, you have a point.

00:43:42.660 I'm trying to think now.

00:43:43.720 But like the younger version of me, the 20 year old me.

00:43:46.880 What ones did I like?

00:43:49.140 Oh, I like speaking of Tom Cruise.

00:43:52.540 Jerry Maguire.

00:43:53.800 That was a romantic movie.

00:43:55.460 You know, comedy.

00:43:56.720 I don't know.

00:43:58.060 Yeah, that was good.

00:43:59.420 I'm trying to think like, who are the big stars?

00:44:01.680 Julia Roberts.

00:44:02.820 Again, I'm going back to like the one where she was abused and she got away and she she

00:44:06.860 had to change her identity.

00:44:08.240 That was not.

00:44:09.000 Yeah, that's not a comedy.

00:44:10.640 That wasn't a comedy.

00:44:11.880 That was hostage or something.

00:44:13.660 Sensing a theme.

00:44:15.120 I think about my best friend's wedding.

00:44:17.000 I didn't like it, but I feel like you probably liked it.

00:44:19.720 I think it's OK.

00:44:20.960 It was OK.

00:44:21.680 That.

00:44:22.260 Yeah.

00:44:22.500 I like that Dermot Mulroney.

00:44:24.420 He's cute.

00:44:25.560 By the way, Megan, you know, what's interesting about this for this guy to call, you know,

00:44:29.220 half of America race homophobes or whatever.

00:44:31.300 It's like Brokeback Mountain, which was an extremely good movie, you know, a period piece

00:44:36.160 dealing with some really, really complex issues in a time that that gay wasn't shoved in everyone's

00:44:41.400 faces all the time.

00:44:43.420 It I think it was one of the top 10 movies of the year.

00:44:46.080 It won it won several Oscars, if I'm not mistaken.

00:44:48.740 Yeah, I think I hang one director of the year on that one.

00:44:51.960 So it's not that people have an aversion to this stuff.

00:44:54.400 They may just not be into this movie.

00:44:57.320 It's so true.

00:44:57.860 And I really feel like, look, America's got its flaws and people are coming along in various

00:45:01.640 departments.

00:45:02.660 But anti-gay is not really one of the first things that comes to mind about America in

00:45:07.240 2022.

00:45:08.960 Now, I know we kicked off this hour talking about your adoption of two babies, and I

00:45:13.780 know you got some blowback from the right on that, like they need to be in a house with

00:45:17.040 a mom and a dad and all that.

00:45:18.600 But that that I don't think that is America.

00:45:21.340 I think some people can have that view and that's fine.

00:45:23.280 It's a biblical sort of approach to marriage and so on and so forth.

00:45:27.000 However, I don't think this is a homophobic country and you can write off, you know, the

00:45:31.940 failure of a movie based on our bigotry.

00:45:35.980 Megan, I live in deep red, scary Florida with Ron DeSantis as the governor.

00:45:41.780 And you know what?

00:45:42.260 Every morning when we take Justin for a walk, the neighbors come up and say hi to us.

00:45:47.280 They get that there are two dads involved.

00:45:49.440 I have not experienced homophobia.

00:45:51.300 The only homophobia that I really experience is the crazy lefties who are very angry that

00:45:56.120 I'm not a leftist.

00:45:57.020 So they somehow think I'm a sellout much the same way if you take a black conservative

00:46:01.000 like Candace Owens or Larry Elder or Thomas Sowell, that they're somehow a sellout too.

00:46:06.120 And by the way, that isn't to say that there aren't some legit issues that I think you and

00:46:09.960 I have discussed once or twice around surrogacy and around same sex parents.

00:46:13.740 But I would say the proof is in the pudding, which is that Justin is now nine weeks old.

00:46:19.020 I don't think there is a kid in the United States of America and possibly on this planet

00:46:22.640 Earth who has been surrounded by more love, more family members, gotten more attention,

00:46:27.880 doing as great and smiling as much as this kid.

00:46:30.540 So over time, I think you can get the people who might be, let's say, homophobes or whatever

00:46:35.680 word you want to use.

00:46:36.460 I think you can get them by hopefully living something approximate to a decent life and

00:46:40.800 showing them that maybe things aren't as black and white as as they see that.

00:46:46.240 I agree with you wholeheartedly, because especially when you know, when I grew up the first 10 years

00:46:49.700 in the 1970s, most gay people were still closeted.

00:46:53.520 I mean, they still felt the need to stay closeted because we were in a different place back then.

00:46:57.580 So a lot of these people who are, you know, reacting to like your surrogacy, maybe a little

00:47:03.980 older, maybe they didn't have a lifetime of being exposed to gay couples who are extremely

00:47:08.260 happy and loving toward the kids.

00:47:09.680 And they'll they'll get there.

00:47:10.900 I believe they'd get there on gay marriage if the Supreme Court hadn't done what it did

00:47:14.360 in Obergefell.

00:47:14.960 I think the American people would have gotten there anyway.

00:47:17.680 And I don't think this guy has.

00:47:19.620 It's just part of his leftist America sucks knee jerk instinct.

00:47:23.560 Wait, Megan, one other point on this real quick.

00:47:25.720 One other thing on this real quick is that, you know, we're constantly pushed with this LGBT

00:47:30.940 stuff through corporations, right?

00:47:33.400 Like, so they all have their gay pride month.

00:47:35.740 And every time you open Apple TV, it's gay movies, this.

00:47:38.420 So it's always pushed from a corporate perspective.

00:47:40.840 In this case, when it's a movie that's just distributed and you have to see people going

00:47:45.040 to it to get results, it's interesting that people aren't going to see it.

00:47:48.980 Right.

00:47:49.460 It's one thing when the corporations put it on all of us all the time.

00:47:52.180 We think that it's everywhere.

00:47:53.600 But when when the proof is in the pudding on ticket sales, which they can't mess around

00:47:57.300 with, although they don't believe in math, then suddenly we're getting a different

00:48:01.120 perspective on it.

00:48:01.980 That's a good point.

00:48:02.460 Well, I mean, there's it's no accident that Netflix is changing its programming agenda,

00:48:06.720 getting rid of a lot of the woke stuff, canceling shows like the one from Meghan Markle and so

00:48:11.320 on.

00:48:11.860 They know it doesn't work quickly.

00:48:13.380 Did you see the Candace Owens appearance with Kanye West at his fashion show?

00:48:18.380 And they're both wearing a White Lives Matter T-shirt.

00:48:22.060 Listen, I love Candace.

00:48:24.620 She is one of my best friends.

00:48:26.120 The girl knows how to poke the bear and Kanye knows how to poke the bear and they poke the

00:48:31.880 bear and they'll expose more hypocrisy and more and make more lefty heads explode, explode.

00:48:37.220 So I have no problem with this.

00:48:38.640 Yes.

00:48:38.880 The bear is exploding.

00:48:40.140 Kanye came out and said, let's see.

00:48:42.580 I guess a couple of people walked out like Jaden Smith walked out, but he came out and said

00:48:47.420 something.

00:48:48.040 Let me find it.

00:48:49.280 I am.

00:48:50.140 Yay.

00:48:50.640 And everyone here knows I'm the leader.

00:48:53.020 You can't manage me.

00:48:54.980 And the final thing was, everyone knows that Black Lives Matter was a scam.

00:49:01.660 Now it's over.

00:49:02.800 You're welcome.

00:49:03.640 That's what he wrote on his Instagram story Tuesday morning.

00:49:06.120 Always interesting.

00:49:07.140 Back check true.

00:49:08.580 Dave Rubin, good luck.

00:49:12.700 Good to see you, Megan.

00:49:13.800 You didn't need it.

00:49:14.400 It's like every other new parent, especially of two babies.

00:49:17.040 All right.

00:49:17.220 God bless.

00:49:17.640 We'll talk again soon.

00:49:18.920 Coming up, Adam Carolla and Mark Garagos.

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00:49:43.160 If you'd like to communicate with me directly, I've been reading some of your mails.

00:49:45.700 I've been absolutely lovely.

00:49:47.560 I love hearing from you and we'll read some later this week.

00:49:50.820 We've got breaking news on Elon Musk and Twitter, which we'll get to in one second.

00:49:58.140 But my next guests I want to introduce first.

00:50:00.840 They are Adam Carolla and Mark Garagos.

00:50:03.360 Adam is host of the Adam Carolla show and author of the new book.

00:50:06.860 Everything reminds me of something.

00:50:08.640 And Mark is a trial lawyer, famed trial attorney and managing partner of Garagos and Garagos.

00:50:13.760 Together, they host the Reasonable Doubt podcast, which is a lot of fun to listen to.

00:50:18.840 Guys, welcome back.

00:50:19.660 Well, thanks for having us.

00:50:21.980 Yeah.

00:50:22.460 So there's breaking news on our favorite story.

00:50:25.100 Megan, for us to do it together for you.

00:50:27.520 So thank you.

00:50:28.620 We're in a throuple.

00:50:29.540 We talked about that in our last one.

00:50:30.920 We're having a throuple right now.

00:50:33.360 Guess what?

00:50:34.780 Elon is buying Twitter after all.

00:50:38.440 This is a legal matter, Mark.

00:50:40.140 So I'll get your take on it.

00:50:41.040 But basically, he surrendered in the lawsuit against Twitter, which is great for those of

00:50:45.540 us who want to see him buy it, though he doesn't really want to.

00:50:48.960 He has now offered in writing to acquire Twitter at the original $54.20 per share.

00:50:55.060 That's what he had offered initially before he decided to try to get out of the deal based

00:50:59.140 on the alleged presence of too many bots on Twitter and so on.

00:51:02.460 And just reading a quick write up on the on the story, I think it was Bloomberg, was explaining

00:51:08.780 that Elon had hired two different experts to actually take a look at the bot presence

00:51:14.920 on Twitter.

00:51:15.720 And both had come out with numbers that were very low.

00:51:19.200 It was like five and a half percent and 11 percent, which would not have been enough

00:51:23.000 to clear the deal.

00:51:23.700 And basically, he was going to lose in this in this Delaware Chancery Court.

00:51:29.440 So he surrendered and went back to, OK, I'll buy it.

00:51:32.920 So now he's going to buy it.

00:51:34.320 I think that was the right legal move, Mark.

00:51:35.900 But where does that leave us?

00:51:37.400 Because he had a reluctant CEO taking over this massive social media company.

00:51:43.040 He look, I Adam will tell you, we've been talking about this.

00:51:46.400 I didn't understand the strategy.

00:51:48.020 I know his lawyer.

00:51:49.160 I've known his lawyer for a long time, Alex Spiro.

00:51:51.960 And I, I did not think there was an endgame here other than he had to buy it.

00:51:57.480 And I, I, I think maybe I should have bet on the stock market on it.

00:52:02.980 But I think to some degree, the judge here really gets a shout out because she brooked

00:52:10.680 no nonsense.

00:52:11.440 She called them out every time they tried to pull some kind of a stunt.

00:52:15.440 She sent a very ambitious trial schedule.

00:52:18.700 Um, I mean, basically they had 90 days and, uh, Twitter, Twitter knew where the bodies

00:52:24.300 were buried.

00:52:24.840 And that I think is what ended up happening.

00:52:27.540 They, they, they realized that there was more downside than upside.

00:52:31.880 It was probably better to just go through and surrender.

00:52:35.440 Hmm.

00:52:36.040 So, I mean, the net result of this, Adam, I think is good for those of us who want more

00:52:42.000 social media platforms, not controlled by censorious hard lefties.

00:52:46.020 Yeah, I agree.

00:52:48.680 You know, in a weird way, it's bad for some of the upstart companies who were combating

00:52:53.960 this because what's really created a lot of these companies, um, social media companies

00:53:00.900 sort of alternative social media companies or companies like the daily wire, or even people

00:53:06.560 like us or people like you is all the squeezing that's been done and all the control of the information

00:53:14.860 that's been done that has created this alternative space for people to flourish in.

00:53:21.120 So in a weird way, it's bad news.

00:53:24.600 I'm assuming for rumble more than it's bad news for Elon Musk.

00:53:29.420 Well, it's bad news for Elon Musk.

00:53:31.000 Well, but why?

00:53:31.120 Because rumble's a-

00:53:31.800 Massively overpaid.

00:53:33.740 I mean, rumble is a video platform, right?

00:53:35.800 So I can see the, um, uh, you know, like getter or true social or one of these things that's

00:53:41.400 trying to directly compete, uh, as a sort of a Twitter of the right, that would be bad,

00:53:47.240 but I don't know the video platforms and podcasts in the right wing or conservative or right leaning

00:53:53.060 or just fair media.

00:53:54.900 Uh, I don't know.

00:53:56.120 I think it's good.

00:53:56.920 Twitter, like Twitter's a unique form of communication.

00:53:59.180 It's been completely dominated by people who have a far left agenda since its inception.

00:54:04.320 Yeah, I agree.

00:54:06.180 I think anyone who's rational and fair-minded who just sort of steps back agrees with what

00:54:12.360 has gone on with Twitter over the past several years.

00:54:15.640 And so I think it's a win for all who want a free speech.

00:54:19.540 It bothers me that so many people are irked by it because, and first off, this thing where

00:54:26.220 they go, this billionaire comes in.

00:54:28.660 Well, I have news for my friends on the left.

00:54:30.760 Anyone who buys Twitter is going to have a few shekels in the bank.

00:54:34.500 So anyone you get will, if George Soros bought Twitter, it would be a billionaire buying Twitter.

00:54:42.700 So everyone's going to be a billionaire.

00:54:44.660 I don't know when that moniker became so, uh, pejorative.

00:54:49.880 Well, it's when capitalism became pejorative.

00:54:52.520 So, right.

00:54:52.920 You know, it's a, well, you know what this is though?

00:54:56.000 This is, you know, the biggest takeaway I have on this is it's, I'm not going to say

00:54:59.840 it's the end of cancel culture, but it's a big blow to cancel culture because honestly,

00:55:04.680 it's Twitter that got cancel culture started.

00:55:07.800 That's the, the forum that blows up everything.

00:55:10.840 And who knows, I mean, we'll soon find out to what extent the, you know, the, the evildoers

00:55:16.960 who actually work at the company have been trying to blow up small scandals into big

00:55:20.560 one and suppress more conservative leaning accounts from offering their opinions.

00:55:25.460 And, you know, they're the ones who gin up stories and make them catch fire.

00:55:29.140 We know that's true.

00:55:30.180 I don't think that's going to happen under Elon Musk.

00:55:32.180 And I do think this will be the dawn of a new day.

00:55:35.480 Well, you're a very, you're a very positive thinking person.

00:55:40.840 Most summers are.

00:55:43.620 Summer, what do you mean most summers?

00:55:46.100 I'm assuming you're a summer.

00:55:48.100 I, you know, I like fashion.

00:55:50.560 Oh, I don't think so.

00:55:52.560 I don't know.

00:55:53.560 What, what does a summer look like?

00:55:55.180 Like bright colors?

00:55:56.060 I'm a New Yorker.

00:55:56.880 I'm column of black pretty much all day, every day.

00:55:59.120 They look like you.

00:56:00.880 You should be wearing more pastels.

00:56:03.780 I tell you, I stick out in Connecticut where I moved because the women here do wear color.

00:56:08.500 They wear Lily Pulitzer.

00:56:10.180 They wear, you can always tell that I only moved here a year ago because I've got my,

00:56:13.540 I mean, right now I've got my black, I'm literally, I didn't dress up today.

00:56:17.420 I don't know if you can see, I've got my, my black leggings.

00:56:20.000 I've got my black shoes.

00:56:21.360 I'm just like column of black.

00:56:22.440 This is where I live my life.

00:56:24.600 Well, I didn't say you dressed like a summer.

00:56:26.800 I said you were a summer who's probably ignoring your summer roots.

00:56:31.220 In my sunny disposition.

00:56:32.620 You know, it's the only way you can cover the news for a living because otherwise it

00:56:37.340 ends too quickly and in ruination and despair.

00:56:40.640 Okay.

00:56:41.340 Speaking of that, let's talk about Chris Cuomo.

00:56:44.580 Big news from your former place of business, Mark, on a couple of fronts, CNN.

00:56:49.180 Number one, they're getting sued by Trump.

00:56:50.740 And number two, Chris Cuomo, who worked there for many years, has just launched his new show.

00:56:56.500 He started a podcast, which is not doing very well.

00:56:58.660 And he's also doing a new show over on News Nation.

00:57:03.160 And he came out.

00:57:04.960 Who's, by the way, can I tell some, a scoop is, isn't Ashley Banfield over there?

00:57:10.680 And rumor has it, she's also in Connecticut and she's not too happy about this.

00:57:14.800 Ashley will slap me for that, but I don't think Ashley's very happy about this whole turn of

00:57:20.080 events.

00:57:20.880 Oh, I think there, she's not the only one.

00:57:22.800 I've heard from other people inside News Nation who are just friends who are like, she's,

00:57:26.120 I mean, like, who's next?

00:57:27.620 There was a rumor they were going to hire Bill O'Reilly.

00:57:29.500 Okay, great.

00:57:30.900 Who else?

00:57:31.460 Maybe Matt Lauer.

00:57:32.380 I hear he's out of a job.

00:57:34.120 So Chris Cuomo launches his show and does sort of a mea culpa.

00:57:40.640 Well, I'll let you listen to it.

00:57:42.700 Here he is.

00:57:43.060 I've been humbled by what happened and I'm also hungry to do better in a way that I've

00:57:48.380 never been before.

00:57:49.720 So this show is going to be different than what I've done in the past because I'm different

00:57:53.320 and I've spent a lot of time looking and listening on the sidelines.

00:57:57.560 It's obvious to me that we need people in my position to do more, to not just play or

00:58:03.560 even referee the game that is plaguing our politics and society.

00:58:07.780 That means exposing the game.

00:58:10.240 Show when it's played.

00:58:11.440 Show how it's being played.

00:58:12.800 And also to be more transparent about where my head is on the issues that we cover.

00:58:18.200 Sure, Jan.

00:58:18.880 Okay, now this, it's so perfect that this would launch at the same time that Trump is

00:58:27.120 suing CNN because I, if you've got to put a couple of things together, all of my comrades

00:58:33.780 on the left have been saying this is the most bullshit, batshit lawsuit they've ever read.

00:58:39.900 I don't know if you've read it, Megan, but it's a filed in the Southern District of Florida,

00:58:44.960 I believe, and he's suing CNN and he's saying that they used him as a kind of a, the evil

00:58:53.900 empire, so to speak, to drive their own agenda.

00:58:56.700 And then you have Chris here, Cuomo, saying, I'm going to do more than just referee.

00:59:04.540 There's a couple of interpretations here.

00:59:07.080 Number one, you could make the argument that Trump has a legitimate beef with CNN, but he

00:59:13.940 had more of a beef with CNN.

00:59:15.680 Megan, you'll remember, you and I talked, I think, December of last year about, and I

00:59:21.200 had told you, big changes were coming at CNN, and I had known because all of my friends who

00:59:25.680 were there were telling me this was going to be a wipeout, they weren't going to do this.

00:59:29.800 Trump actually has, I think, an unbelievable legal case against CNN if New York Times versus

00:59:38.680 Sullivan gets reversed.

00:59:40.420 And that may be the endgame.

00:59:42.500 And he, I know that in order to gin up his base, that he has to say it's going on right

00:59:49.060 now before the November, that's the calculation before the November midterms.

00:59:53.580 However, I think that there is a legitimate argument that prior to, that you will find

00:59:59.980 that whether it was Zucker or whether it was the news desk or anybody else, they had all

01:00:06.220 kinds of intentions of taking him out of office, which I think takes you over that bar of malice.

01:00:15.940 Well, okay, so just to update the audience on, on what Mark's saying, New York Times versus

01:00:21.100 Sullivan is basically the case that sets the standard for when you can sue for defamation,

01:00:25.940 in particular against a public figure, you would have to show actual malice.

01:00:29.680 And that's a very, very high bar.

01:00:31.940 I mean, that's basically why most public figures cannot sue for defamation.

01:00:36.120 It's just almost impossible to show they have actual malice in their hearts and they know

01:00:39.340 what they're printing is false.

01:00:40.460 They just don't give a damn.

01:00:41.280 Um, and Trump is saying, I think I, I think they've met it.

01:00:46.440 They've, they've done it.

01:00:47.460 If you look at CNN's reporting on me, they're there.

01:00:50.020 And the second argument would be, and by the way, that's a ridiculously high bar and New

01:00:55.860 York Times versus Sullivan needs to be revisited because we should be more like England that

01:01:00.040 has a lower bar to suing for defamation just because you're a public figure.

01:01:03.060 Can they say, but I don't think, cause he's a politician.

01:01:06.040 That's the thing.

01:01:06.800 Like political commentary in this country gets protected like nothing else.

01:01:09.780 That's like our most protected area of speech.

01:01:11.960 That's what CNN is going to say it was doing.

01:01:14.760 Yeah.

01:01:14.900 Except, you know, just this weekend with the reason I started to think about it is, uh,

01:01:19.340 Lawrence Silberman died, who was, uh, was 86 and is a kind of a towering figure in the

01:01:25.040 conservative, um, movement.

01:01:26.760 And he is the one who presaged Heller second amendment gun rights.

01:01:31.880 He is also the one who last year authored an opinion saying that it was time to take the

01:01:37.580 malice requirement out of New York times versus Sullivan.

01:01:40.780 And I'm thinking, wow, he dies.

01:01:43.260 And within hours, Trump is filing this lawsuit and he's filing it in federal court, which gives

01:01:49.260 him a fast track to get to the U S Supreme court.

01:01:51.700 Um, you know, it could be, I, I can see a world in which New York times versus Sullivan gets

01:01:59.320 challenged based on this.

01:02:00.540 And then it ties also in, I think to what Adam has been on.

01:02:04.400 Adam's been on the Nicholas Sandman and CNN, um, early on.

01:02:09.700 So you have private citizens and a minor in that case, Nicholas Sandman.

01:02:14.720 So he's not a public figure, but they settled up with him.

01:02:17.900 And then you have, you know, James O'Keefe and Veritas, he was not a private citizen.

01:02:23.140 He was a public figure.

01:02:24.580 So there's maybe some precedent in what goes on with project Veritas versus let's say CNN

01:02:30.860 or the, uh, New York times.

01:02:32.920 Um, but then it becomes, uh, what is the definition of malice?

01:02:37.760 If you say, I don't want you to get a second term as president, is that malice?

01:02:44.140 I would argue that.

01:02:45.120 Well, let me show you.

01:02:46.020 Okay.

01:02:46.380 Malice.

01:02:47.300 Let's give an example.

01:02:48.240 And by the way, we're going to get back to Chris Cuomo because I have more to discuss

01:02:52.360 with him and his newfound humility.

01:02:54.620 I'll tie it together for you as well.

01:02:56.440 All right.

01:02:56.520 We're not, we'll go back to him, but let's take a, let's take a walk down the CNN lawsuit

01:03:02.020 lane with president Trump who says, for example, I'll short for him.

01:03:07.460 What's with all the comparisons to Hitler?

01:03:10.540 And man, he's got a point.

01:03:12.880 He mentions a couple of examples in the lawsuit.

01:03:15.300 We've pulled, uh, uh, two of them.

01:03:17.620 Here's SOT 22.

01:03:20.080 When we have entered the realm of coups and Hitler, we have to pause for a moment.

01:03:27.360 And SOT 23, similar.

01:03:31.320 Trump is as destructive a person in this century as Hitler, Stalin and Mao were in the last century.

01:03:38.240 He may be responsible for many more million deaths than they were.

01:03:42.700 Wow.

01:03:43.380 Yeah.

01:03:43.720 Well, at least gas was three 50 a gallon in California.

01:03:46.840 So I do have a soft spot for the man.

01:03:49.640 Now that's top $7.

01:03:52.000 Um, and so saying you're hit Hitlerian or Putin's puppet, that's malice.

01:03:59.200 I, I would assume that I think you could, I think you can make a, uh, an argument.

01:04:04.360 And this is, I'll get back to Cuomo.

01:04:06.520 Part of the reason that I think it's malice is people think of it in the, the, the legal

01:04:13.160 term, but the legal term also has, what if there's a profit motive and the profit motive

01:04:18.180 is to raise ratings and, and to press the gas on raising the ratings.

01:04:22.480 I think that that can be arguably, you know, that guy was saying, like, I'm not defending

01:04:25.940 his comments, but he, that was opinion.

01:04:27.600 It's protected opinion.

01:04:28.660 If it's, it's protected opinion to say, I think Trump is a Hitler-esque figure or Obama

01:04:31.980 is a Hitler-esque figure.

01:04:33.260 You're allowed to say that the United States of America.

01:04:35.040 I can't get sued over that.

01:04:36.840 Well, but what does CNN, do they fear discovery?

01:04:41.320 Because there will be a lot of smoking gun emails and texts and things of that nature.

01:04:47.180 That'll take it back to Chris Cuomo.

01:04:49.120 That'll be fun.

01:04:49.820 Well, yeah, because Chris Cuomo has got, I know his lawyer very well.

01:04:54.680 He's got, he's exceptional there.

01:04:57.540 It's going to be a reveal like you wouldn't, you, you wouldn't imagine.

01:05:02.000 I know from being over there for, you know, decades that internally, there's a lot of people

01:05:07.900 who are very upset when you get into discovery, that's when stuff starts coming out.

01:05:12.080 That's when you get people that traditionally it's whistleblowers.

01:05:15.000 It's, it's really isn't it's, it's people who are upset.

01:05:18.580 Don't like what was happening.

01:05:20.000 Don't feel like they were treated fairly and they will go to the lawyers.

01:05:23.340 You're talking about the Chris Cuomo lawsuit that's ongoing against CNN for firing him

01:05:27.960 because Chris Cuomo is making an entry into our discussion through many avenues.

01:05:31.520 So that's one thing with him.

01:05:32.960 But here I would like to point out for the record.

01:05:34.780 So Chris Cuomo goes on his show on News Nation and says that he's been humbled.

01:05:38.940 Bullshit.

01:05:39.560 I don't believe that for one second.

01:05:41.180 He has not been humbled at all.

01:05:44.100 He's angry at CNN and how they treated him.

01:05:47.280 And he's now found another place to work and that's okay.

01:05:50.180 Everybody needs to pay the bills, but he's already lying.

01:05:52.960 Starting off by lying about it is not a good way to start.

01:05:55.920 No acknowledgement of really what he actually did was smearing the women who are accusing

01:05:59.860 his brother, actively working to dig up, you know, opposition packets on them, then lying

01:06:03.920 about it to his audience, trying to claim that he was some big me tour advocate.

01:06:07.500 You know, like I care deeply about these issues.

01:06:10.360 You care deeply about smearing the women who raised them.

01:06:12.440 Is that like because that I anyway, that's his history.

01:06:15.640 He goes out there and tries to say, like, he's going to be the the referee.

01:06:19.140 Like he is now going to be the moderate voice of reason because we've gotten too crazy partisan.

01:06:25.660 He vows to appeal to the middle.

01:06:28.120 We are being manipulated by manufactured division that only works to advantage the interests of

01:06:34.180 the fringe and the fake.

01:06:35.560 This is the same man who came out and said that Trump and his efforts to strip people

01:06:43.980 of color of their rights to vote.

01:06:45.540 I'm sorry.

01:06:46.120 What specifically was the boldest attempt since the era of Jim Crow to disenfranchise black

01:06:52.160 voters?

01:06:52.480 OK, now this one wants to say, I I will appeal to the middle.

01:06:56.640 Listen to me.

01:06:57.880 He goes on and on.

01:06:59.100 I mean, like I could go down the list of the hardcore leftist positions of Chris Cuomo went

01:07:04.600 after the senators who voted against impeachment.

01:07:07.400 They don't understand the Constitution so much for being for it.

01:07:10.020 He's never seen a party of a president become more partisan or be more partisan than the Republicans

01:07:14.620 under President Trump.

01:07:16.180 No one's going to listen to him.

01:07:17.280 What what right leaning person is going to say, I accept Chris Cuomo as my voice of the

01:07:22.080 middle, who's not going to, quote, manipulate me by manufactured division.

01:07:26.940 Bullshit.

01:07:27.480 A certain male gesture comes to mind.

01:07:31.360 Wow.

01:07:31.840 Well, I get I totally understand the passion of it, because wouldn't it have been more

01:07:39.380 authentic, so to speak, if he had just said, hey, it was my brother, you know, I was doing

01:07:45.080 I was doing my brother's business.

01:07:46.860 By the way, Zucker and Zucker's lover had said that it was OK and they were on board as well.

01:07:53.180 I mean, if you're going to be transparent.

01:07:55.520 Oh, and that the whole thing, he should have taken himself off the air if he's going to help

01:07:57.980 the brother.

01:07:58.500 OK, take yourself off the air.

01:07:59.940 Go ahead, Adam.

01:08:00.360 I was going to say, just say I'm Italian.

01:08:03.080 It's my brother.

01:08:04.060 What do you want from me?

01:08:05.400 I'm afraid of my mom as you kill me if I didn't if I didn't protect him.

01:08:10.160 Yeah, I don't I don't understand this thought where guys that are clearly partisan change

01:08:18.320 their minds sort of midstream in life.

01:08:21.360 I don't know how old Chris is later 40s, early 50s.

01:08:25.740 I feel the same way about politicians, you know, who are in their 70s and 80s now, who

01:08:32.940 at age 67 were dead set against gay marriage, but they took a long look in the mirror or

01:08:39.500 the border or gun rights or whatever it is.

01:08:43.060 I don't believe that people actually change their mind this far off in life.

01:08:48.980 And I always think about it.

01:08:51.020 What have you changed your mind on after the age of 47 and a half?

01:08:55.700 The answer for me is nothing.

01:08:57.820 Maybe hummus.

01:08:59.300 Maybe I didn't like hummus as much as I should have in my 20s.

01:09:03.160 And I've kind of turned the corner.

01:09:04.700 But other than food, certain food selections, curry and hummus, for instance, I've not changed

01:09:11.920 my mind politically on anything.

01:09:13.800 I think the same way I thought when I first hit the radio in my very early 30s.

01:09:19.120 So he's pandering.

01:09:21.100 But to whom?

01:09:22.260 I don't know.

01:09:23.280 Wait, so I've got to follow up because in our first hour we talked with Dave Rubin about

01:09:27.780 the Herschel Walker news and he's, you know, been accused by the Daily Beast of having in

01:09:32.840 2009 paid for a girlfriend's abortion.

01:09:35.560 And he's he's running as a pro-life candidate who wants abortion to be illegal in all

01:09:39.460 circumstances, including no rape or incest exception.

01:09:42.560 And Dave Rubin was saying, you never know.

01:09:43.980 It's 2022 now.

01:09:45.320 Maybe he changed his mind from 2009.

01:09:48.020 Herschel denies that this is true.

01:09:49.680 But then his son came out and was like, dad's a dirtbag.

01:09:52.620 We all knew it and told him not to run.

01:09:54.200 But he did it anyway.

01:09:54.840 Um, so Dave was like, maybe he changes his mind.

01:09:58.700 I don't know.

01:09:59.180 Like, I think Herschel's 57.

01:10:01.700 So to your point, like, do you do you believe he might have actually changed his mind on

01:10:06.180 abortion from then to now?

01:10:08.460 No, I think there's a standard that we're trying to hold politicians to that is too high,

01:10:15.640 which is I believe in law and order.

01:10:18.880 But if a cop pulls me over, if I knew he would take 100 bucks to go away, I would gladly do

01:10:26.460 it.

01:10:26.820 And then I would get back to talking about law and order.

01:10:30.800 And I feel it's that way.

01:10:32.980 You know, I think everyone should eat a healthy diet and I should be able to eat a burger and

01:10:37.760 fries like there's that.

01:10:40.000 That's how human beings are wired.

01:10:42.680 So I believe he wanted this person to have an abortion.

01:10:46.420 I, I think you can, I think both thoughts can exist in the same skull.

01:10:51.480 I think you can go for me.

01:10:53.100 I would like this person to have an abortion, but I'm against abortion sort of overall,

01:10:58.480 which is if he was more, you know, inclined to tell the truth, then he would say it that

01:11:04.580 way.

01:11:05.220 Hmm.

01:11:05.880 Hmm.

01:11:06.520 I don't know.

01:11:07.120 This is like right now he's denying it entirely.

01:11:09.620 So there's no, neither one of those is available to him.

01:11:12.500 Listen, before we get off the media, I've got to ask you guys something else.

01:11:15.800 Trevor Noah is going away.

01:11:17.580 I can see the tears in your soda can, Adam.

01:11:21.820 Trevor Noah's show after seven years, he's going away.

01:11:25.440 They're going to find a replacement and he's sort of making it sound like it was his choice.

01:11:30.860 He realized some things during the pandemic.

01:11:33.060 He was a ratings killer.

01:11:34.520 That's the truth.

01:11:35.960 That show went down into the toilet with Trevor Noah at the helm.

01:11:39.620 It wasn't funny.

01:11:40.540 Nobody ever laughed.

01:11:41.640 And he wasn't the lead political commentator like a Colbert was either.

01:11:46.100 Apparently we've pulled an example of his unfunniness.

01:11:48.840 Here's a little bit of why we believe the show failed.

01:11:51.440 This is SOT 21.

01:11:52.220 I know this Sunday was sad for many churchgoers, but for the Catholic church, this is a good thing.

01:11:59.740 You know, keeping the priests separate from their congregation might not be the worst idea.

01:12:03.600 Sorry, guys.

01:12:04.120 At some point, I feel like we need to stop calling it a church and start calling it what it is.

01:12:09.320 A molesting club with an opening prayer.

01:12:11.280 Because that's what it feels like.

01:12:12.620 Donald Trump will leave a mark on this country for decades to come.

01:12:17.240 Yeah.

01:12:17.800 It's like it's not going to go away.

01:12:19.040 It's like he's giving America judicial herpes.

01:12:20.940 Yeah, that when it came to Kavanaugh and the accusations, they were only allowed to interview 11 specific people and no one else.

01:12:30.920 Yeah.

01:12:32.000 It's not something you do when you're confident in someone's innocence.

01:12:35.260 Right.

01:12:35.720 You just be like interview anyone.

01:12:36.920 But he's like, ah, just them.

01:12:38.120 Just them.

01:12:38.680 Yeah.

01:12:39.100 It's like Jeffrey Epstein saying, I have nothing to hide.

01:12:41.640 Look anywhere except the sex dungeon.

01:12:43.380 Don't look in the sex dungeon.

01:12:44.240 Yeah.

01:12:44.380 I mean, Adam, you've done stand up.

01:12:49.940 That's not funny.

01:12:51.560 No.

01:12:52.660 So here's the deal.

01:12:54.260 He's not an untalented person.

01:12:56.980 But I think as we've seen time and time again, especially for comedians, their politics get a grip on them.

01:13:04.480 And then it turns funny people into unfunny people because they have to thread this political needle.

01:13:14.740 So it ends up like Lenny Bruce.

01:13:17.460 He's a funny guy, but he ended up standing on stage reading court transcripts for the last part of his career, which then makes him unfunny.

01:13:26.480 Unfunny.

01:13:27.740 Also, I don't have a lot of love for Trevor Noah because he came.

01:13:32.420 I don't like anybody who comes to this country from a bad place.

01:13:36.460 He's a South African.

01:13:38.200 And he comes here and then just badmouths this country and tries to talk about how it's as bad or worse than wherever somebody came from.

01:13:48.660 He wants reparations.

01:13:49.640 Yeah, it's for me, that's I it's an it's it makes you an ingrate and I cannot I cannot stand that.

01:13:59.380 So he has ability and maybe getting away from this platform will free him up to get in touch with his inner comedian and less his political pundit side.

01:14:12.380 Don't count on it.

01:14:13.700 I mean, I was just going to say, I don't think you I don't think Megan's convinced.

01:14:18.000 No, I can hear I can hear the shaking of the head.

01:14:23.400 Oh, come on.

01:14:24.560 He's a partisan hack masquerading as a comedian.

01:14:27.340 He surrendered to his partisan hackery, just like Colbert did.

01:14:30.960 Even Jimmy Kimmel.

01:14:31.920 Look what happened to him after they criticized him for rubbing Trump's head.

01:14:35.240 It was over.

01:14:36.580 Right.

01:14:37.040 But what I'm not Kimmel, Fallon.

01:14:39.200 Well, what I'm saying is, is when Mark Garagos has to defend someone, he becomes a partisan hack.

01:14:46.140 Because that's his job.

01:14:48.680 That's the platform.

01:14:50.000 Yeah.

01:14:50.160 And then later on, you can have a scotch with Mark Garagos and have a laugh.

01:14:54.480 So maybe some of these comedians can get off of their platform and stop defending.

01:15:00.640 I don't know why they thought it was incumbent upon them to defend one side or attack another side.

01:15:06.700 But it's a it's it's a game that they slid into.

01:15:11.560 Maybe if you and I happen to know a lot of these people personally.

01:15:15.420 Aren't you like best friends with Jimmy Kimmel?

01:15:17.240 Well, yes, when you remove them from what their perceived platform and mission is, they become gregarious, easygoing, knock around guys.

01:15:27.780 So if Trevor and you're backing my theory, Megan, which is if you get Trevor away, get him out of the courtroom and get him onto a comedy stage, he may slide back into comedian mode.

01:15:40.580 But no, I'm not backing your theory, because I believe I believe that you and Jimmy Kimmel can have good times together as humans, as as buddies, because I have most of my friends disagree with me political on many issues.

01:15:55.860 And we don't talk politics when we're together.

01:15:57.780 We have so many other things that we can discuss and we generally try to avoid politics.

01:16:01.880 But I think Jimmy Kimmel put on stage doing stand up is not going to steer clear of politics and he's going to be still alienating to people who are on the right.

01:16:11.400 And Trevor Noah, even more so, because he at least Kimmel makes people laugh occasionally.

01:16:15.420 I was just going to say, Jimmy's funny.

01:16:17.480 Jimmy's funny.

01:16:18.340 Jimmy is funny.

01:16:19.220 And the three of us were actually at a table recently within the last 60 days where he was incredibly funny.

01:16:25.400 Yeah, I think I will offer a little grace to Trevor and say that if he goes back to his roots of stand up and sticks with the jokes, then he may go back to that.

01:16:38.220 I talk a lot of politics with Mark Garagos.

01:16:41.140 I talk a lot of politics on my podcast.

01:16:42.880 But when I go up to do stand up, I tell jokes and it's a different it's a different modality.

01:16:50.820 Very bold.

01:16:51.780 I mean, just so you have the perspective, when Stewart was hosting it at its helm.

01:16:56.820 And by the way, and I know I'm not a fan of Jon Stewart's, but in 2013, it was pre Trump.

01:17:02.980 I always point out, like, we were number one in the Kelly file back when it was hard to put a rating on the board back.

01:17:08.520 We had the boring Obama in the office.

01:17:10.860 Nothing exciting, dynamic Trump where all you had to do is put a camera on the man and you would break records in any event.

01:17:16.640 So to Jon Stewart's credit, he brought The Daily Show, this Comedy Central show, to averaging 2.5 million nightly viewers in 2013.

01:17:25.340 I mean, that's really meteoric.

01:17:27.280 And then during Noah's tenure, initially it averaged a bit north of 800,000 nightly viewers.

01:17:33.020 Still, you know, a horrendous drop.

01:17:35.460 But it's since lost much of his audience.

01:17:37.880 This is via New York Post and regularly falls below 400,000 viewers.

01:17:43.980 That is not how you keep your job.

01:17:46.580 And I'm going to go right out there and say this is not his decision.

01:17:50.340 It wasn't COVID.

01:17:51.720 They want to find somebody who can put numbers on the board.

01:17:53.900 What the hell is the point of having a show if you can't put the numbers on the board?

01:17:56.660 It's a business.

01:17:57.200 It's not, you know, anything.

01:17:58.260 Okay, let's pause there.

01:18:00.080 We'll do a quick break and much, much more with Adam and Mark.

01:18:02.720 Right after this quick break, I'm going to ask them if DickMorris.com is right.

01:18:06.100 Hillary Clinton is running.

01:18:08.640 OMG.

01:18:13.220 All right.

01:18:13.880 So DickMorris.com, you had to say that when he came on Fox.

01:18:17.220 Like if you didn't say it, if you didn't promote his website, you'd get very angry.

01:18:21.920 So we used to call him DickMorris.com.

01:18:24.380 And we used to call Elizabeth Warren Chief Lies a lot.

01:18:27.000 Anyway, DickMorris.com is predicting that Hillary is setting up a 2024 presidential bid.

01:18:38.960 He noticed that she, this is in the New York Post, he noticed that she has been remarking

01:18:46.560 Americans, quote, do not believe in open borders, among other sort of more centrist comments.

01:18:53.360 And he says, these are all signals that she is going to be the, quote, moderate candidate

01:18:58.320 for president.

01:18:59.420 She's going to say after the election, see, the left cost us the House and the Senate.

01:19:04.280 If we stay with a left wing candidate in 2024, we're going to lose the White House.

01:19:08.380 I'm the only one who will tack to the center and give us a chance at victory.

01:19:12.660 And he says, I know this because, quote, it's the strategy I designed for Bill Clinton in

01:19:17.780 1992 when he won the Democratic nomination.

01:19:21.040 He goes on.

01:19:22.120 Once Biden pulls out, the polling will show that the Democrats are leaning towards some

01:19:26.040 crazy radicals like Governor Newsom, Bernie Sanders, maybe even AOC.

01:19:30.860 And that will drive the Democratic Party leaders to go to Hillary and say, please run again.

01:19:36.080 We need you to save us from the crazy left.

01:19:39.120 That's the thing about Dick Morris dot com.

01:19:40.740 The more you listen to him, the more he starts to make sense.

01:19:43.620 You start off like he's crazy talk.

01:19:45.100 And then you're like, wait, he might be on to something.

01:19:48.140 What do you guys think?

01:19:48.640 Well, first off, I think Biden should have pulled out before he had Hunter.

01:19:54.560 Oh, my God.

01:19:57.160 You did not.

01:19:58.960 I just said it because it came into my head.

01:20:02.400 Oh, my God.

01:20:03.540 And what am I supposed to do?

01:20:05.100 I think there's a lot of truth to that statement.

01:20:07.060 All right.

01:20:08.480 So what Hillary's not taught, she's not saying is back in the day with her and Bill, there

01:20:13.360 wasn't this crazy left that was pulling them into the abyss.

01:20:18.640 You know, Biden made the same promise that Hillary's making.

01:20:21.720 Hey, I'm an established person, slow and steady.

01:20:25.120 Uncle Joe, you know, I'm just going to bring us all back to the center.

01:20:29.540 And then he got elected and then he got yanked hard to the left.

01:20:33.720 So who's to say that Hillary's not going to get yanked hard to the left running on a sort

01:20:40.880 of centrist platform?

01:20:42.840 Number one.

01:20:43.700 Number two, you know, it's going to be a really interesting sell or attempt at a sell, which

01:20:49.780 is and she's already working the Trump Hitlerian, you know, at his rallies, young men with their

01:20:55.160 hands in the air, sort of Hitler youth ask and all that.

01:21:00.160 They're going to try to work this angle, which is if you elect Trump, we're all going to be

01:21:07.160 living under the boot of a Hitlerian character.

01:21:11.100 That's something you can try to sell before he was elected president.

01:21:15.700 But he was elected president.

01:21:17.940 He was a president for four years and we didn't live under the boot of oppression.

01:21:23.040 So how are they going to spin that?

01:21:25.760 It'll be interesting watching them try.

01:21:28.540 I don't think she's done.

01:21:29.700 I think he might be right that she sees herself as the savior, as the moderate voice.

01:21:37.500 She feels entitled.

01:21:39.080 We all know she thinks that the 2016 election was stolen from her.

01:21:43.680 Yesterday I was saying Stacey Abrams was the original election denier.

01:21:46.420 That's not true.

01:21:47.040 It was really Hillary.

01:21:48.880 And she might she might do it.

01:21:52.240 She might actually do it.

01:21:54.040 Well, we're sitting here in California where our governor is all but every time he denies

01:22:03.880 that he's running, all you have to do is wake up in the morning and see one of his actions

01:22:08.360 and, you know, he's running.

01:22:09.780 I mean, Newsom is clearly running for president.

01:22:13.820 Well, he said, I'm going to run if Biden doesn't.

01:22:16.080 The question is whether Biden because Biden actually just said yesterday he's going to

01:22:20.540 run.

01:22:21.040 Now, if that's true, he could say, by the way, Biden's not going to run with Kamala.

01:22:26.840 So that's that's never going to happen.

01:22:29.160 It's going to be awkward.

01:22:29.860 Well, you know, what could happen?

01:22:33.320 I can see a world where Karen Bass wins the mayorship here against Rick Caruso in L.A.

01:22:40.580 because L.A. is determined to light itself on fire.

01:22:44.260 And then he swaps out Karen Bass for Kamala.

01:22:49.300 Because you've got to you've got to stay diverse.

01:22:51.480 Well, I just think that there's no way if Biden were to run that he could jettison her

01:22:57.680 without replacing her with Karen Bass.

01:23:00.260 He was much better off putting Karen Bass in there in the first place.

01:23:03.180 But instead, if she wins the mayoral race, then she is the mayor of L.A.

01:23:09.060 She'll have a higher profile.

01:23:10.440 I can see that.

01:23:11.220 I just don't think he's going to run.

01:23:13.100 I just think at the end of the day, he's not going to run.

01:23:16.140 No, I'm starting to really doubt it, too.

01:23:18.360 But he can't walk.

01:23:19.600 How's he going to run?

01:23:20.560 He can't leave a stage without Jill telling him which direction to exit.

01:23:25.080 So it's ironic that we use this term run.

01:23:27.720 Is he going to run?

01:23:28.640 He's not running.

01:23:29.580 I don't think he's going to run.

01:23:30.840 I don't think they're going to want him to run.

01:23:32.820 I think there's going to be a horribly uncomfortable conversation about him not running.

01:23:36.840 And then Kamala is going to stand up and they're going to go.

01:23:40.140 You're not running either.

01:23:41.760 We need to get somebody who has smacks of some confidence in this race.

01:23:48.620 So is there anybody as a guy who's not a youngster anymore either?

01:23:52.560 Have you ever met anybody who hits their 80s?

01:23:56.480 And even if they're retired and they don't have the biggest job in the world,

01:24:00.100 you don't watch a male, especially a male, kind of fall off a cliff after they hit them?

01:24:05.820 I've got somebody.

01:24:07.140 I've got somebody.

01:24:08.680 Alan Dershowitz.

01:24:10.140 I'm not kidding.

01:24:11.260 He's still firing on all cylinders.

01:24:13.640 I think he's 86.

01:24:15.920 It's madness that he is still together and doing his podcast.

01:24:19.900 And I'm still learning from him.

01:24:20.800 I'm listening to, you know, constitutional analysis.

01:24:22.860 He never forgets a case.

01:24:24.300 He can bring you back to everything.

01:24:25.700 And he's like you, Mark.

01:24:26.660 He's touched every big case ever known to man.

01:24:28.940 You know, it's like, oh, I defended him and I defended her like everything.

01:24:31.300 I'll give you that.

01:24:32.080 He's one of the he would be the outlier.

01:24:34.640 Yeah, but it is an outlier situation.

01:24:36.440 And Joe Biden is no Alan Dershowitz.

01:24:38.460 So you mentioned your governor, Newsom, from the look of it, he's doing a great job.

01:24:43.880 I heard you guys discussing the homeless problem in L.A.

01:24:48.500 He solved that.

01:24:49.160 And on Ventura Boulevard, no less, which I realize we got a mayoral ship, too.

01:24:53.660 But this is a situation in California under Governor Newsom's rule where a homeless man

01:25:00.460 makes a daily habit of throwing feces at the local business owners.

01:25:06.460 Here's a little bit from, I think, is it a news report?

01:25:09.280 Yeah, from Fox 11, Sot 20.

01:25:12.020 Like this man who openly defecates on Ventura Boulevard and on this day tosses a bag of

01:25:18.400 his bodily waste onto business owner Paul Scrivano's SUV.

01:25:23.100 Oh, my God.

01:25:24.180 Oh, my God.

01:25:25.040 Every single day, every single morning, I'm wiping that off my property before I have to

01:25:29.260 do business.

01:25:29.840 Sir, why are you throwing feces at people?

01:25:32.860 Who?

01:25:33.600 You threw feces at this gentleman.

01:25:35.460 This guy has to understand.

01:25:37.060 I'm half paralyzed.

01:25:37.920 I'm blind.

01:25:39.260 I have no car for nine years.

01:25:41.280 We offer to help the man with services for the homeless.

01:25:44.640 But, sir, do you need help?

01:25:46.920 The city is offering help.

01:25:48.460 I don't need help.

01:25:49.620 Every day is like another adventure of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

01:25:53.800 It is like a psych, literally a psych ward.

01:25:57.220 Oh, my God.

01:25:58.440 I hadn't seen the video.

01:25:58.880 See, there are a couple things for the young listeners.

01:26:02.420 If people accuse you of throwing feces, you saying, I don't own a car, probably not relevant,

01:26:10.760 right, Mark?

01:26:11.300 I'm not in a courtroom.

01:26:12.580 Objection.

01:26:13.280 Half paralyzed is another bad argument.

01:26:17.380 I'm a Pisces or Gemini.

01:26:19.960 These are all bad.

01:26:20.580 The only acceptable answer is, is he threw a sack of feces at me right before you guys showed up.

01:26:27.360 Well, you know, this was on Ventura Boulevard, Megan.

01:26:30.420 So that's in the heart of the valley.

01:26:32.380 That's kind of the valley rodeo drive, if you will.

01:26:36.240 And that's happening there.

01:26:37.600 We're down in downtown L.A., and I have talked endlessly on our podcast about Thursday guy

01:26:44.980 or Dr. Alien or the guys that I find that are shooting up every morning as I have to try to get

01:26:49.460 into the building who tell me I'm not shooting up, I'm diabetic.

01:26:54.440 You know, it's become a, I always call it an outdoor insane asylum.

01:26:59.680 But the bigger picture, I think, as it pertains to Governor Newsom, is his failure to recognize

01:27:08.060 what the problem is.

01:27:09.880 Not that there is homelessness, but who are the homeless?

01:27:13.780 I had him on my podcast nine years ago, and I told him flat out, everyone can look it up.

01:27:20.520 I said, these are junkies, and these are people that have severe mental issues and or both.

01:27:26.780 And then he told me the true face of homelessness, the real face of homelessness, was the mother

01:27:32.640 who was getting minimum wage, and she was a mother of three, and she was divorced, and

01:27:37.600 that's who the face of homelessness was.

01:27:40.000 Later on, there's a clip that then started to make the rounds of him in 08, saying he had

01:27:46.020 a 10-year plan to cure homelessness, which is more home.

01:27:49.440 So he said, you know, people with food insecurities don't have food, and people without the shoe

01:27:55.920 homeless need shoes, and thus the homeless need homes.

01:27:59.480 But this guy doesn't need a condominium in Sherman Oaks.

01:28:03.940 This guy needs an institution somewhere far away from where I live.

01:28:09.180 This notion that you can take homeless people and give them a home and solve the problem

01:28:14.760 is insane.

01:28:16.380 Here's a thought experiment.

01:28:18.620 Homes are very expensive in Southern California.

01:28:20.800 So where he was in Studio City or Sherman Oaks or whatever off of Ventura Boulevard, the average

01:28:26.560 price home there is probably $1.4 million, maybe $1.7 million.

01:28:31.640 Very expensive.

01:28:33.020 Okay, so this guy cannot afford that home.

01:28:35.740 What if that home was $80,000?

01:28:39.160 Do you think this guy could waltz into the bank, do the proper paperwork, and get a loan

01:28:44.760 showing pay stubs?

01:28:46.200 The point is, yes, the price of the homes are too expensive.

01:28:49.560 If the homes were $10,000, he wouldn't qualify and couldn't maintain that home, and you would

01:28:55.440 be the worst neighbor ever to move into your neighborhood.

01:28:58.060 So is it the price of a home, or is it the fact that these guys are hooked on everything

01:29:05.000 and there's mental issues, which somehow the left, just in the last 10 minutes, has caught

01:29:11.180 on to?

01:29:11.640 Hmm, yeah, no, these are all very good points.

01:29:15.600 That guy is not going to stop until the city makes him stop, and they wouldn't make him

01:29:19.340 stop until Fox 11 did that report, and then suddenly the city took an interest.

01:29:23.680 Oh, what a shock.

01:29:25.220 Originally, the response from the authorities was like, he's homeless.

01:29:28.240 You know, the homeless need help.

01:29:29.780 Like, that guy getting shit thrown at him every day needs help, too, and he's actually a tax

01:29:35.540 paying, responsible member of your community.

01:29:37.720 But okay, I want to ask you quickly about this, Mark, because I think this is possibly

01:29:43.080 one of our answers in fighting back against woke politicians and cancel culture and all

01:29:48.040 the nonsense.

01:29:49.200 And I loved it.

01:29:50.180 The National Review reporting that federal judge, he's on the Fifth Circuit, James Ho of

01:29:56.560 the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, announcing publicly that he is no longer going

01:30:01.940 to hire law clerks from Yale Law School.

01:30:05.000 And he really went off on it.

01:30:07.340 He cited a number of high-profile examples of speakers being shouted down or censored at

01:30:12.000 law schools across the country, but he singled out Yale as, quote, one particular law school

01:30:16.420 where cancellations and disruptions seem to occur with special frequency.

01:30:20.400 He went on, Yale not only tolerates the cancellation of views, it actively practices it.

01:30:25.680 Starting today, I will no longer hire law clerks from Yale Law School, and I hope other judges

01:30:29.620 join me as well.

01:30:31.580 So what do you make of this way of fighting back?

01:30:33.960 You know, I understand the argument against it, meaning what if I applied to Yale, got

01:30:40.380 into Yale's perennially ranked one of the top five law schools, and I wasn't one of the

01:30:46.860 ones shouting people down or protesting anybody who doesn't fit the agenda.

01:30:52.160 But at the same time, unless people start to push back against that, it's got a very pernicious

01:30:58.540 effect, and it's very toxic.

01:31:01.020 And, you know, the guy that I had mentioned who just passed away, Silberman, he was one

01:31:06.160 of the first ones to call out Yale for that very problem.

01:31:10.220 And I think it's helpful.

01:31:12.560 And by the way, I think you could, for clerkships, I don't know why clerkships are limited to just

01:31:17.960 a very small group of law schools to begin with.

01:31:21.740 I think that that insular culture is a problem as well.

01:31:25.160 So I think it's a it's a wonderful first step to try to democratize since everybody wants

01:31:31.920 to democratize.

01:31:32.920 It's a wonderful first step to democratize the law.

01:31:36.780 Well, here's the problem as I see it.

01:31:38.200 And I love this sentiment.

01:31:39.320 But I've spoken to the Federalist Society at Yale Law School, and these are great young

01:31:45.480 people who are fighting the good fight against a massive tide that's going the other way.

01:31:50.120 They are in the belly of the beast.

01:31:51.700 So I would I would encourage Judge Ho to continue hiring from the Federalist Society out of Yale

01:31:57.920 Law School, which is more, you know, young, up and coming conservative thinkers who are likely

01:32:03.140 to clerk for, you know, a justice, a Chief Justice Roberts, but maybe not Justice Kagan.

01:32:07.840 Um, so it seems like they shouldn't if I could, they shouldn't have to pay the price.

01:32:12.380 Go ahead, Adam.

01:32:13.060 Weigh in.

01:32:13.860 Maybe this is sort of a ship them to Martha's Vineyard approach to the to this problem, which

01:32:21.280 is shipping 50 illegal aliens to Martha's Vineyard does not alleviate the border, but it starts

01:32:30.000 a conversation and it gets some attention.

01:32:33.160 And so it seems like what Judge Ho here is doing is saying, here's this thing.

01:32:39.180 It's not going to fix the problem.

01:32:40.960 And yes, maybe some people will be used as sort of political pawns in in the execution

01:32:47.180 of this.

01:32:47.960 But at least we're talking about it now.

01:32:51.380 He did go on to say the following.

01:32:53.120 I think you guys would agree.

01:32:54.020 Uh, all too often law schools appear to be run by the mob, whether out of sympathy or

01:32:58.680 spinelessness.

01:32:59.640 I like this judge.

01:33:00.760 Colleges aren't teaching students how to agree to disagree.

01:33:03.500 They're teaching students how to destroy and then they're launching them into the world.

01:33:07.800 Ah, that's exactly right.

01:33:09.580 How to destroy.

01:33:10.940 So we need to get them in front of judges like Judge Ho, the other side.

01:33:14.160 We need the crazy leftist to wind up in front of judges like this.

01:33:16.780 Well, you know, there is a, there is a comparison here.

01:33:21.080 I mean, you take a look at law and medicine, which are, you know, traditionally for generations

01:33:27.220 have been where our best and our brightest are supposed to go.

01:33:30.480 At least if you're Armenian and your parents are saying you got to be a doctor or a lawyer.

01:33:36.000 There's, you know, we have a law that was just signed into law here in California, where

01:33:41.800 if you speak misinformation specifically about COVID-19, you can be disciplined and have

01:33:49.380 your license revoked.

01:33:51.580 And that to me is as scary as what we're talking about in the law as well.

01:33:59.100 But that's kind of, it's once again, if you want to say pernicious, uh, it's really quite,

01:34:05.020 quite authoritarian.

01:34:06.620 I don't think it's in place for COVID-19 because we're starting to get the facts about COVID-19.

01:34:14.820 I mean, we're getting how effective masks are, how ineffective vaxes are, and many, many

01:34:21.340 of the stuff, many of the stuff, the crap they were peddling 18 months ago has been vetted

01:34:27.480 and given a Viking, Viking funeral.

01:34:30.120 I think it's a little more insidious.

01:34:32.080 I think it's, these laws are in place for the next one that is not going to be COVID-19.

01:34:37.460 It'll be something else and we'll reset.

01:34:40.440 There'll be the same group of doctors going, wait a minute, lockdowns don't work or don't

01:34:44.240 shut the schools or this ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine maybe, or some version of that may be effective

01:34:49.900 and they will shut down that.

01:34:52.780 You know, it's interesting because I think the text says COVID-19 of the bill that he signed

01:34:59.140 the law and all you would have to do, and this happens in the law, Megan will tell you

01:35:03.980 all the time, the next, to your theory, the next legislative session, you just do an amendment

01:35:10.620 and you add, you strike out COVID-19 and you put whatever the next, you know, area of information

01:35:18.880 that you want.

01:35:19.860 Yeah, or similar public health crisis, which then next thing we know will be BLM, right?

01:35:26.300 They call that a public health crisis.

01:35:27.720 Whatever.

01:35:28.480 You can't say anything about that.

01:35:29.900 Even here in New York City, you're not allowed to say the term illegal immigrant if you have,

01:35:34.900 speaking of malice, if you have malice in your heart, if you say it in a way that's supposed

01:35:38.440 to be like a put down.

01:35:40.500 Well, Adam is violated, how many times did you hear the words homeless?

01:35:44.860 It's not homeless, it's unhoused.

01:35:46.800 Oh, unhoused, that's right.

01:35:48.180 The unhoused community.

01:35:50.440 Challenged.

01:35:50.980 Well, I will say that he's 100% right about what's happening in law schools, and that's

01:35:54.640 why we had a leaked Supreme Court decision on the Dobbs decision, right?

01:35:58.920 And by the way, where's that investigation?

01:36:01.620 Still nothing, despite two justices saying they thought it was wrapping up, that they

01:36:05.380 were going to have a report.

01:36:06.800 It better not have wrapped up with them not declaring to the rest of us what happened.

01:36:11.160 Quickly, before we go, Mark, is there any possibility they know who the leaker is and they just

01:36:14.680 managed to keep it quiet?

01:36:16.160 Yes, I think there's a distinct possibility.

01:36:18.180 There's absolutely, in my mind, knowing what I know about these kinds of things and how

01:36:24.100 they're kept, there's a, you've got a small universe of people who had access and they

01:36:28.980 can track it.

01:36:30.500 I think that they know.

01:36:32.080 We need an in-depth report on what happened to all of those clerks.

01:36:35.400 And let's find out which one is not with some fancy white shoe law firm.

01:36:38.840 Guys, great to see you.

01:36:40.280 Adam and Mark, what a pleasure.

01:36:41.460 Come back soon.

01:36:42.580 Thank you, Megan.

01:36:43.100 Thank you, Megan.

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