The Megyn Kelly Show - Dems Attack Karine Jean-Pierre, Elon vs. Trump Explodes, Left Confronted with Own Words, with Stu Burguiere and Rep. Brandon Gill ｜ Ep. 1087

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00:01:04.400 He is the youngest Republican in Congress.

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00:01:50.900 They are guns a-blazing right now for poor little Karine Jean-Pierre.

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00:03:36.380 Stu, welcome back.

00:03:37.800 Thank you so much, Megan.

00:03:38.500 I appreciate it.

00:03:39.560 I want to start with this Supreme Court decision because it's 9-0.

00:03:43.240 Both of these two decisions in which we're interested today are 9-0.

00:03:47.220 One was written by Ketanji Brown-Jackson, and one was written by Sotomayor, and you

00:03:52.300 and I will like both of them.

00:03:54.060 How about that?

00:03:55.280 You know, the court is always saying most of their decisions, the vast majority, are

00:03:59.460 actually unanimous.

00:04:00.960 It's, you know, a small handful that wind up 5-4 and give the Supreme Court, you know,

00:04:05.220 this controversial reputation.

00:04:06.540 It makes leftists say we have to delegitimize them and stack the court and all that stuff.

00:04:10.460 But anyway, this is 9-0.

00:04:12.100 It's Ames versus Ohio Department of Youth Services.

00:04:14.360 And this was a so-called reverse discrimination case where a straight woman got effed over

00:04:21.580 by her boss in favor of a gay woman who she said was less qualified. 0.75

00:04:27.320 And when she sued over it saying, that's reverse discrimination, you can't discriminate against

00:04:31.160 me because I'm straight.

00:04:33.180 The courts in Ohio within the 6th District said, okay, you can file this claim, but you're

00:04:39.200 going to be held to a higher standard of proof because you're straight.

00:04:41.740 Because generally there's a presumption in the law that people don't discriminate against

00:04:46.220 people who are part of the majority group.

00:04:48.500 So you have to prove more than a gay person or a minority, a person of color, et cetera,

00:04:54.260 would have to prove.

00:04:55.240 You have to prove, for example, that there's a history of this employer discriminating against

00:05:01.480 straight people.

00:05:02.120 So like you have to show statistical proof that majority members continuously get discriminated

00:05:10.860 against by this employer. 1.00

00:05:12.400 And she said, that's bullshit. 0.99

00:05:15.020 That's not fair either. 1.00

00:05:16.440 Like that too is discriminatory against straight people.

00:05:20.100 And 9-0, the high court agreed with her.

00:05:25.260 And what this decision effectively does is lower the burden of proof that people in the

00:05:31.820 so-called majority group, here it's a straight person, could also be a white person, could

00:05:35.880 be men, et cetera, people who are not considered part of any protected class, now have to meet

00:05:41.460 in order to bring what we used to just call reverse discrimination claims.

00:05:46.440 This is great.

00:05:47.900 Your thoughts?

00:05:49.520 It is fantastic, Megan.

00:05:51.320 And it does kind of sit, makes you sit back and say, hey, there actually is sanity out there.

00:05:57.220 This can still happen.

00:05:59.300 I love this.

00:06:00.580 And I will be honest with you, if you would have told me before this that it was going

00:06:04.980 to be 9-0, I would have been shocked.

00:06:06.860 I mean, it is true, as you point out, that there are a lot of 9-0 cases. 0.89

00:06:11.080 There's several of them today, actually.

00:06:13.720 And that does happen pretty often.

00:06:15.700 This type of case, though, I wouldn't expect to be 9-0.

00:06:19.040 Right.

00:06:20.060 Maybe you get Kagan, maybe.

00:06:22.500 But I would have expected at least a 7-2 or 6-3 or 7-2 situation.

00:06:26.740 Sotomayor and Jackson.

00:06:28.120 Sotomayor.

00:06:28.580 Part of that.

00:06:29.080 Jackson wrote the opinion.

00:06:31.240 It's legitimately shocking.

00:06:33.020 And one of the things I really love about it is there's been this movement over the past

00:06:39.120 10-20 years to take this idea of, to use a blanket sort of term to describe it, the colorblindness

00:06:46.540 aspect, right?

00:06:47.400 This vision that we had going back to MLK on race, but also for many other things, that

00:06:55.300 sexual preference and other things, where we're just supposed to see people and judge them

00:07:01.320 on their merit.

00:07:02.100 You know, this goes back to the founding of the country.

00:07:04.100 And George Washington had a badge that he would award, and it was called the merit badge.

00:07:09.200 And it was one of the founding principles.

00:07:11.100 It was not a society built on these caste systems.

00:07:15.700 You know, that's not who we are as Americans.

00:07:18.200 And there's been a push over the past 10-20 years to really reverse that.

00:07:22.800 And this push for equity instead of equality, this idea of equality of outcomes as opposed

00:07:29.300 to equality of opportunity.

00:07:31.620 And for a really long time, it seemed like we were going down a road that didn't end well.

00:07:37.600 And while a lot of the opinion makers, you go listen to the view, they'll express this 0.52

00:07:43.160 very stupidly on a day-to-day basis, but the law didn't change. 0.81

00:07:48.680 That principle of colorblindness is still entrenched in the law. 0.99

00:07:53.000 Our justices still recognize it, even crazy ones like Sonia Sotomayor.

00:07:58.140 And that is really encouraging.

00:08:00.300 And you know what?

00:08:00.900 It's great because there should be no presumption in today's day and age that majority group

00:08:09.940 members would not be discriminated against.

00:08:14.080 You know, given the lunatic left and their takeover of so many institutions, and you know, 0.92

00:08:19.300 you get boycotted if you don't post the black square, and you've got to have your pride flag 0.89

00:08:24.060 out there, or you're going to get some march in front of your business, you know, you've

00:08:28.820 got the Human Rights Council giving you grades on just how woke you are.

00:08:33.900 Given all of that, there should not be a presumption that no employer really discriminates against

00:08:40.480 people who are members of the so-called majority, you know, white people or guys or straight 0.88

00:08:47.060 people, bullshit, that's what's been very much in, you know, on trend and in favor, especially 0.97

00:08:54.800 over the past 5, 10, 15 years. 0.99

00:08:56.740 So while this opinion doesn't, you know, base itself on that reality, it comes along at just

00:09:04.680 the right time because majority members do not have some special preference from most

00:09:10.040 employers to the contrary.

00:09:11.300 Yeah, look, there are entire industries where white dudes don't even bother to apply at this

00:09:18.380 point.

00:09:19.120 You know, this is something that is really happening.

00:09:22.460 And there was also, to acknowledge the obvious truth, times where, you know, other races were

00:09:29.280 discriminated against in really serious and terrible ways.

00:09:31.640 We all know that's part of American history.

00:09:33.660 The solution to that, to disagree with Ibram Kendi, is not more discrimination.

00:09:38.860 The solution to past discrimination is not current discrimination, and the solution to

00:09:44.840 current discrimination is not future discrimination.

00:09:47.240 That's what the left really tried.

00:09:49.560 Let me say this. 1.00

00:09:50.840 So Ibram Kendi can suck it because he thinks he's the ultimate authority because he's black 1.00

00:09:57.120 and he considers himself an intellectual. 1.00

00:09:59.620 Well, guess what?

00:10:00.840 Clarence Thomas is also black and an intellectual.

00:10:04.700 Ketanji Brown Jackson, same.

00:10:07.080 She's on the U.S. Supreme Court. 0.61

00:10:08.960 And they have both said Ibram X.

00:10:11.680 Kendi is totally wrong.

00:10:13.000 Let me read you part of the Thomas concurrence.

00:10:16.240 Courts with this rule, because it was a split in the circuits, half were making majority plaintiffs,

00:10:22.460 you know, white people, et cetera, prove this extra stuff.

00:10:25.540 And half were saying, no, they don't have to.

00:10:28.380 So the U.S. Supreme Court really had to resolve this once and for all.

00:10:30.900 And so Thomas said this courts who follow this rule of making, you know, majority plaintiffs

00:10:37.340 prove more have enshrined into the anti-discrimination law and explicitly race based preference.

00:10:47.000 White plaintiffs must prove the existence of background circumstances while nonwhite plaintiffs 0.95

00:10:52.120 need not do so.

00:10:53.340 He said that this decision obviates the need for courts to engage in the sordid business

00:11:00.240 of dividing people by race or other protected traits. 0.87

00:11:04.260 I mean, it is a final judgment on that Kendi nonsense from a court that includes two black 1.00

00:11:11.500 members, one as conservative as they come and one as liberal as they come.

00:11:16.200 I love Clarence Thomas.

00:11:19.520 If he's not the most important man in America, I don't know who is.

00:11:23.340 He is just fantastic.

00:11:24.400 And he's just so good on issues like this in particular.

00:11:27.600 He just doesn't put up with it at all. 0.98

00:11:29.980 He says, suck it, basically, in his rulings, as you pointed out. 0.99

00:11:33.820 Yes, you had to read between the lines, but it's there. 1.00

00:11:35.880 It's there.

00:11:36.640 It's there.

00:11:37.300 You know, we have this phrase that is kind of important to our country that all men are

00:11:41.820 created equal.

00:11:42.760 And we've not lived up to that at every point in our history.

00:11:46.200 But another part of that that is implicit in this, because everyone focuses on equal

00:11:50.680 in that phrase, and that's an important part of the phrase, of course, but also created

00:11:54.800 is it means that we all start on an equal ground.

00:11:59.560 And what you do with your life is up to you.

00:12:03.280 You are supposed to be able to make your own life as you go through it.

00:12:07.000 You're created equal.

00:12:08.140 It doesn't mean everything in life comes out equal.

00:12:11.100 And what the left is trying to do is implement this sort of outcome in outcome equality,

00:12:19.640 if you will, that honestly, at this point doesn't even seem equal.

00:12:23.580 Like they're trying to punish stuff that I don't know, somebody's great, great grandfather

00:12:29.060 did that I had nothing to do with.

00:12:30.460 I had nothing to do with slavery, Megan.

00:12:31.840 And I promise you, I have no slaves on my plantation in my cul-de-sac.

00:12:35.680 That's not something I'm engaging in, and nor would I want to.

00:12:39.140 Thank you.

00:12:39.980 And I will say, if you legalize slavery today, people would not want to engage in it because

00:12:46.880 they know it's abhorrent.

00:12:48.360 Right?

00:12:48.440 I think P. Diddy wants to engage in it.

00:12:50.260 I beg to differ.

00:12:51.440 I think Puff Daddy has been engaging in it for quite some time based on the testimony I'm

00:12:55.480 hearing.

00:12:55.880 But keep going.

00:12:57.320 You're 100% true on that, and I wish I had thought of that, but you're right.

00:13:01.100 It does happen.

00:13:01.740 And look, there are instances of this happening, sadly, across the country and across the world,

00:13:06.840 frankly.

00:13:08.260 Most of it's gone from here.

00:13:09.560 But generally speaking, when we talk about high ideals, not the failures, but what we

00:13:14.620 want out of a country, that is really where the disagreement is between the left and the

00:13:18.360 right.

00:13:18.500 We all recognize that there are failures, right?

00:13:21.740 But at the end of the day, what we want, I think, on the right is people to be equal.

00:13:27.300 That when you go up against, when your son or daughter tries to get into Harvard and they

00:13:32.540 are Asian, they should have the same ability to get into the school based on whether their

00:13:37.680 test scores are good and the things that they do and the things that they bring to the table.

00:13:42.020 They shouldn't be demoted because their ancestry comes from another part of the world.

00:13:47.460 That should be obvious.

00:13:48.820 I thought it was obvious to all of us very recently, and that has faded away.

00:13:55.340 But luckily, the courts are there.

00:13:56.940 And I do fear that the courts often recently are the only thing holding back a lot of these

00:14:03.100 terrible policies, certainly over this previous administration.

00:14:06.260 It seemed like the only thing stopping the worst things from occurring in our society were

00:14:09.980 the courts.

00:14:10.920 Thank God they're there and doing the things that they are.

00:14:13.280 All right.

00:14:13.840 Let me give you the second decision that's of interest to us.

00:14:16.660 Um, this is Catholic Charities versus Wisconsin Labor and Industry Review Commission.

00:14:21.980 This is another nine zero decision.

00:14:24.740 Uh, this opinion was authored by Sotomayor and it's a win for Catholic Charities. 0.94

00:14:30.440 So what was happening was Catholic Charities in Wisconsin was helping people, uh, with disabilities

00:14:36.920 and who had mental health issues and, um, you know, providing assistance to them.

00:14:42.700 And they had been contributing to the state unemployment tax system since the 1970s.

00:14:48.020 And then they said, you know, we are a religious group.

00:14:51.240 We should have the same tax exempt status that all religious groups have and sought that tax

00:14:57.560 exempt status from the state of Wisconsin.

00:14:59.200 And, and the, the state said, no, you can't have it.

00:15:02.640 And the reason you can't have it is because you're not proselytizing.

00:15:06.720 You're not out there preaching the gospel as you help the disabled people. 1.00

00:15:10.980 Um, and you are not limiting your charitable services to Catholics.

00:15:17.980 So because they're willing to help disabled Muslims and Jews and atheists, the Wisconsin 0.92

00:15:25.400 state system said, no, you're not a religious organization.

00:15:28.860 And so Catholic Charities, which is an arm of the Catholic church filed a lawsuit saying, 0.99

00:15:36.380 this isn't their phrase, but mine, this is bullshit. 0.99

00:15:40.860 Okay. 0.98

00:15:41.680 Back to our basic legal terms.

00:15:44.080 And the Supreme court just agreed.

00:15:47.000 The Supreme court actually agreed with them.

00:15:49.760 This is from the underlying court.

00:15:51.240 The Wisconsin Supreme court found against them saying, although Catholic charities may have

00:15:55.520 religious motivations, it acknowledged that they're not operated primarily for religious

00:16:00.420 purposes because it does not attempt to imbue people who participate in its programs with

00:16:05.880 the Catholic faith, nor supply any religious materials to program participants or employees.

00:16:10.660 Again, saying like, and then they say, and you employ people of all faiths and provide services

00:16:15.440 to people of all faiths.

00:16:16.420 So that was the thing.

00:16:17.420 Like you, you need to preach the gospel more and you need to only help Catholics. 1.00

00:16:21.940 And then maybe you could have taxes. 0.99

00:16:23.440 It's so ridiculous. 0.97

00:16:24.420 Now, nevermind that you're an arm of the Catholic church. 0.93

00:16:27.420 So, um, they, here's the Supreme court decision reversed nine to zero, uh, in an opinion authored

00:16:35.140 by justice Sotomayor, Thomas, uh, and justice Jackson also fired, uh, filed concurring opinions.

00:16:40.660 Sotomayor writes the state court's ruling violates the first amendment by discriminating based

00:16:46.160 on religious practices.

00:16:47.260 It is fundamental to our constitutional order that the government maintain neutrality between

00:16:53.700 religion and religion.

00:16:55.480 When the government distinguishes among religions based on theological differences in their provision

00:17:01.200 of services, it imposes a denominational preference that must satisfy the highest level of judicial

00:17:06.900 scrutiny.

00:17:07.780 And what she was basically saying is you wouldn't give this to them because they're Catholic and

00:17:12.920 you would have given it to a different religion doing the same stuff.

00:17:16.340 And that's not okay.

00:17:17.640 I go Sotomayor, what's happening?

00:17:21.080 Wait, am I awake?

00:17:22.540 Is this happening?

00:17:24.500 I think we've gone through a wormhole here, uh, Megan, and I don't recognize the world I'm

00:17:29.020 living in, but I like it.

00:17:30.540 It's, it's, it's very scenic on this, this side of the, of the, uh, dimension.

00:17:34.800 And I kind of like it over here.

00:17:36.600 Uh, yeah, I mean, it's great.

00:17:37.920 Look, I think these things should be obvious, right?

00:17:40.440 That they can't pick one religion over another as a state.

00:17:44.340 It's so funny that when you describe the case, Megan, it strikes me.

00:17:47.540 It's something that I would normally hear as a criticism of a Catholic charity.

00:17:51.760 You guys are, you guys proselytize too much, right?

00:17:55.980 You guys will only serve Catholics. 0.99

00:17:58.160 We can't, that's the criticism you normally hear.

00:18:01.700 And here it's a defense.

00:18:03.640 It's a proper defense though, I will say.

00:18:05.600 I mean, quite clearly, you know, that the fact that a group wants to take their own time

00:18:10.780 and their own resources to go help people that are not in their religious group, that they're

00:18:15.540 not pressuring, uh, to, to convert.

00:18:18.680 That's something that, that that's great.

00:18:20.980 It's fantastic.

00:18:21.720 It's something that's a, it's a wonderful thing about what Catholic charities are doing.

00:18:25.980 Like Wisconsin taxpayers are like, we're out, we're out.

00:18:28.960 Unless you try to convert people, you cannot help the disabled. 1.00

00:18:32.060 That's, that's wrong.

00:18:33.680 Unless you get people betting on the next Pope, then you're not allowed to do this.

00:18:38.040 That doesn't make any sense.

00:18:39.380 I mean, it's quite clear that a group, any group that will help a group in need is something

00:18:44.640 that we should be cheering on in this country outside of the legal structure, which quite

00:18:49.540 obviously, uh, delineates a freedom of religion that would make it obvious that you can't do

00:18:58.580 this, this type of thing we've had.

00:19:00.920 I will say the court has been really good on religious liberty.

00:19:03.320 We had one case recently, which is a four, four case that I think would have been a five,

00:19:07.140 four if Amy Coney Barrett had not recused herself, but generally speaking, we've seen really

00:19:12.640 good rulings on, uh, uh, on religious liberty.

00:19:15.800 Uh, first Liberty Institute has been, has been really good on this.

00:19:18.800 They've been working a lot of these cases.

00:19:20.040 So I'm really happy about where we are, uh, on this and we're moving in the right direction.

00:19:24.500 And I think back to the way the country was designed.

00:19:27.880 Yeah.

00:19:28.280 Well, I mean, it's interesting because when she was in her confirmation hearings,

00:19:32.120 Ketanji Brown Jackson said she considers herself an originalist when it comes to her judicial

00:19:38.460 philosophy, you know, interpreting the text consistent with the way the founding fathers

00:19:43.780 who wrote the constitution would have interpreted it.

00:19:47.280 And, um, a lot of us on the right who are more federalist society type lawyers are like,

00:19:52.080 what?

00:19:52.880 I mean, kind of saw just at least a glimmer of hope for her.

00:19:55.600 We understood she would be a leftist in most of the decisions, but saw a glimmer of hope

00:20:00.800 there.

00:20:01.380 And, uh, I feel like that glimmer is shining today.

00:20:04.800 So we will take the W thank you to the U S Supreme court for restoring sanity on those

00:20:11.160 fronts.

00:20:11.560 It's, it's all great, all great news.

00:20:13.780 Those are terrific.

00:20:14.700 Okay.

00:20:15.180 So moving on the, the second best story of the day is the Korean Jean-Pierre pile on.

00:20:21.340 It's amazing.

00:20:22.240 The left is so mad at her in this pair of articles, which are just, I don't even know

00:20:26.560 which one to begin with.

00:20:27.440 I guess I'll start with Axios because our pal, Alex Thompson wrote this one.

00:20:32.020 The headline Biden world goes scorched earth on Korean Jean-Pierre.

00:20:37.540 Apparently her little book launch isn't going over well.

00:20:40.640 We played this yesterday during the show, but let me show you a little bit from her Instagram

00:20:45.300 book announcement.

00:20:46.860 She's writing a book called independent and wants to be your steward out of the hard partisan

00:20:53.620 system and into political independence where you are not loyal to a party here.

00:21:00.080 She is in part.

00:21:00.700 But since I have left the people that come up to me, strangers that come up to me just

00:21:07.920 across the country as I'm traveling and sometimes right in my neighborhood at a grocery store,

00:21:13.600 supermarket, airport, my daughter's school.

00:21:16.080 The number one question they ask me is Korean, how do we get out of this? 0.99

00:21:20.040 How do we protect our democracy?

00:21:22.080 How do we protect vulnerable communities among us?

00:21:24.920 What do we do next?

00:21:26.680 Cause we don't have answers here.

00:21:28.420 That's what they ask me and you don't have answers is my answer.

00:21:32.440 And what I mean by that is in an era of misinformation, disinformation, the regressiveness of social

00:21:39.000 policy, what we're seeing currently right now, what I have decided to do, and I really have

00:21:44.540 thought long and hard about this is to follow my own compass.

00:21:49.280 Oh my God.

00:21:50.400 All right.

00:21:50.640 Just, just before I get to the pylon, she's going to combat misinformation.

00:21:54.540 Misinformation, she is going to combat misinformation, a paid liar. 1.00

00:22:00.880 I mean, is this, just as a little refresher, this is the woman who wants to correct misinformation. 0.50

00:22:05.440 Now let's play SOT 2.

00:22:07.740 The president had the stamina physically and mentally.

00:22:10.720 Do you think to continue on even after 2024?

00:22:14.320 Don, you're asking me this question.

00:22:16.320 Oh my gosh.

00:22:17.180 He's the president of the United States.

00:22:18.700 You know, he, I can't even keep up with it.

00:22:21.900 We just got back from New Mexico.

00:22:23.480 Jackie, are you here?

00:22:24.500 Where's Jackie?

00:22:25.240 She must not be here.

00:22:26.420 No, I totally understand.

00:22:27.660 I just, I just explained.

00:22:28.880 She was on top of mind.

00:22:30.220 The book is suggesting the president tells AIDS is tired.

00:22:33.500 But that's in the excerpt, right?

00:22:34.800 Yeah.

00:22:35.420 And that that's why there've been so few public events before 10 a.m.

00:22:39.060 I mean, that's a ridiculous assumption to make.

00:22:41.760 I would put the president's stamina, president's wisdom, ability to get this done on behalf

00:22:48.200 of the American people against anyone.

00:22:51.340 Is anyone in the White House hiding information about the president's health or his ability

00:22:57.320 to do the job day to day?

00:22:58.900 Absolutely not.

00:22:59.700 What we have released has been very comprehensive.

00:23:02.320 It has been.

00:23:02.920 It has been transparent.

00:23:04.620 With age comes wisdom and comes experience.

00:23:07.660 And I think that matters as well.

00:23:09.240 He's as sharp as ever.

00:23:10.160 He is as sharp as ever, as I have known him to be in my engagement and my experience

00:23:15.420 This is after the debate.

00:23:15.920 With him.

00:23:16.640 And I know when I walk into the Oval Office or see him on Air Force One, I have to be

00:23:21.820 on top of my game.

00:23:24.080 Okay.

00:23:26.620 I would put his stamina up against anyone.

00:23:29.860 Is anyone hiding information about his inability?

00:23:32.940 Absolutely not.

00:23:34.580 After the debate, sharp as ever. 1.00

00:23:37.000 However, she's an effing liar. 1.00

00:23:40.180 She was paid for it. 1.00

00:23:41.620 She did it with absolutely no qualms whatsoever.

00:23:45.680 And now she wants to be the self-appointed czar of combating misinformation in her book 0.74

00:23:52.460 declaring her political independence.

00:23:55.040 All right.

00:23:55.240 So now we get to the juicy stuff, Stu.

00:23:56.980 It's not just those of us on the right who are recoiling and laughing in disbelief at this.

00:24:04.020 The left has had it with Corrine Jean-Pierre.

00:24:07.720 She is under the bus.

00:24:08.920 The bus has backed up.

00:24:10.160 It has gone forward.

00:24:11.020 It has backed up.

00:24:11.780 It has gone forward.

00:24:12.520 And it's going to keep doing that all the way through publication in October.

00:24:17.060 Okay.

00:24:17.640 Alex Thompson reports.

00:24:20.360 Her announcement Wednesday led former Biden aides to tee off on her. 0.97

00:24:24.760 Many quietly had fumed for years, believing she was incompetent at her job at the White

00:24:29.940 House podium and more interested in promoting herself than Joe Biden.

00:24:34.080 News of her book was the final straw for many people who had worked for her.

00:24:40.400 The fighting within Biden world is part of larger post-election angst and grievances amid

00:24:45.760 new reporting of how Biden's staff tried to hide his physical and mental decline during

00:24:49.700 his presidency.

00:24:50.960 Jean-Pierre was a key part of the effort to conceal Biden's decline.

00:24:54.880 This is Thompson, quoting again from his piece in Axios, vouching for his fitness and insisting

00:24:59.300 that the president then 81 was, quote, as sharp as ever.

00:25:02.140 You heard it there yourself, even after the disastrous debate, what they're saying.

00:25:07.000 One former White House official who worked closely with Jean-Pierre told Axios, she, quote,

00:25:11.460 was one of the most ineffectual and unprepared people I have ever worked with.

00:25:15.980 She had meltdowns after any interview that asked about a topic not sent over by producers.

00:25:22.180 She did not know how to manage a team.

00:25:24.400 She didn't know how to shape or deliver a message.

00:25:26.940 And she often created more problems than she solved. 0.73

00:25:30.160 A former Biden communications official threw more wood on the fire, quote, the hubris of

00:25:36.000 thinking you can position yourself as an outsider when you not only have enjoyed the perks of

00:25:41.800 extreme proximity to power, which bestows the name recognition needed to sell books off your

00:25:47.460 name, but have actively wielded it from the biggest pulpit there is, is as breathtaking as

00:25:53.380 it is desperate.

00:25:54.340 It is difficult to see how this is anything but a bizarre cash grab.

00:25:58.960 I'll give you one more before I'll give it to you.

00:26:01.260 Another former White House official familiar with the dynamics telling Axios, quote, the amount

00:26:05.480 of time that was spent coddling Karine Jean-Pierre and appeasing her was astronomical compared to

00:26:12.100 our attention on actual matters of substance.

00:26:15.300 They also are reporting that she wanted, in addition to her multiple magazine spreads, to get a job 1.00

00:26:24.480 on The View upon leaving The Post.

00:26:28.140 They never returned her phone calls.

00:26:30.780 And so now we get this book.

00:26:33.180 Stu Bergier, thoughts on it?

00:26:35.860 It's almost too delicious to describe.

00:26:39.320 Isn't it?

00:26:40.960 Megan, we're here.

00:26:42.340 We've done it.

00:26:43.540 We've I don't know how long this lasts, but we've reached the sunny uplands of history.

00:26:47.120 We are here.

00:26:48.520 We deserve this.

00:26:50.560 Yes.

00:26:51.200 Thank you.

00:26:52.120 We we're finally at this point where everyone just admits the stuff we were saying is true.

00:26:59.640 It's true.

00:27:00.800 I don't know.

00:27:02.040 I can't believe it.

00:27:03.600 I don't think I've ever seen this period before.

00:27:05.660 There have been periods where conservatives have said things and we turned out to be right.

00:27:10.080 And that's happened.

00:27:11.520 This is different.

00:27:12.200 This is us saying things.

00:27:13.720 And then the mainstream media and every Democratic official is just coming out and saying, yeah,

00:27:19.460 by the way, everything the conservatives were saying the last four years were completely accurate.

00:27:24.600 I don't know what we did to deserve this, but I love this.

00:27:28.280 I mean, we have been saying all of this.

00:27:31.240 She always looked underprepared.

00:27:33.140 One of the reasons we noted it is because she kept looking down and reading every word

00:27:38.820 that she said, the most basic arguments that would be brought up to her, that even though

00:27:44.160 the Biden administration often was asking her to tell things to the American people that

00:27:49.260 are untrue, they were basic things that any normal, competent human being, let alone a press

00:27:55.040 secretary, would be able to talk themselves out of. 0.98

00:27:57.680 She couldn't do it.

00:27:58.600 She had to read every single word.

00:28:00.820 It was quite clear by just based on the amount of different outfits she had that her wardrobe

00:28:07.360 was much more important than what she was doing on a day-to-day basis.

00:28:11.920 She was constantly focused on image issues, Vogue profiles, all of this nonsense that had

00:28:20.340 nothing to do with the job that, by the way, we should note, Joe Biden was not paying her

00:28:25.120 for.

00:28:25.760 We were paying for.

00:28:27.320 That job is a job that is created for what happens in the White House to be communicated

00:28:33.360 to the American people.

00:28:35.240 It is a job that is, it is, we are the employers on this job.

00:28:39.120 That is not a campaign job.

00:28:40.660 She treated it, as many others do as well, as a campaign job and a job that, honestly,

00:28:47.620 she thought it was her job to come out here and just lie constantly. 0.95

00:28:51.820 You played the clips, what, four, five, six of those clips you played were after the debate,

00:28:57.680 after even the most, you know, ostrich in the sand sort of person would say, hey, this is

00:29:07.000 obviously going wrong.

00:29:09.080 Every Democrat was on record saying it, and she still stuck to that line all the way to

00:29:13.680 the very end.

00:29:13.780 You temper the message at that point, at least, right? 0.99

00:29:16.220 Like, just so as not to make an absolute fool of yourself. 0.98

00:29:20.060 She didn't. 0.97

00:29:21.040 Kamala Harris didn't.

00:29:22.180 And then the nerve of, like, these Vogue profiles.

00:29:25.280 I'm sorry, but Corrine Jean-Pierre is not even close to the most glamorous press secretary

00:29:29.620 we've had.

00:29:30.480 Where was Dana Perino's Vogue spread?

00:29:34.100 She's stunningly beautiful.

00:29:36.020 Where was Kayleigh McEnany's Vogue spread?

00:29:39.000 Where's Caroline Levitt's Vogue spread? 0.83

00:29:41.480 All I see is nasty hit pieces on her, like people zeroing in on this feature or that and

00:29:47.440 trying to rip on one of the most beautiful public figures we have in America.

00:29:51.760 It's just Corrine Jean-Pierre because she was out there every day.

00:29:55.120 I'm black and I'm a lesbian and I'm a woman.

00:29:57.620 I'm all the things and I'm a first.

00:30:00.500 And therefore, you have to worship at the altar of KJP. 0.81

00:30:03.520 Only we didn't.

00:30:04.760 But Vogue did. 0.99

00:30:05.760 Vogue did because she was a paid liar doing the president's bidding. 1.00

00:30:09.080 All right, let me go on because there's just two. 0.96

00:30:10.960 I'm like, I could do this all day.

00:30:12.280 I don't really have to do any other news than this.

00:30:15.220 A former Biden, no, a former senior spokesperson in Biden's administration to Axios.

00:30:21.840 It is hard to believe someone could look at the past year and genuinely think the party

00:30:27.440 left Joe Biden.

00:30:28.860 That's why I'm leaving the Democratic Party, which is what she's saying in her promo.

00:30:33.360 A former White House comms official, that means somebody who was working with or next to

00:30:37.780 her, added, today, Corrine lost the only constituency that ever supported her, party line Democrats.

00:30:45.240 They know Corrine Jean-Pierre did not respond to requests for comments.

00:30:48.860 Despite longstanding internal frustration with her performance since the day she took over

00:30:54.460 as press secretary after Psaki left in mid-2022, Biden aides largely had stayed silent because

00:31:01.720 she was seen as untouchable. 0.96

00:31:03.640 And now here's where Alex Thompson's reporting in that book, Original Sin, kicks in.

00:31:07.820 She was seen as untouchable given her close relationship with Jill Biden's top aide, Anthony 0.50

00:31:14.400 Bernal, who has emerged as a total effing villain. 0.69

00:31:18.980 Anthony Bernal is a villain.

00:31:21.220 Read the book.

00:31:21.940 He was the right-hand man of the power-crazy Jill Biden, and he thought he was the queen's

00:31:31.200 hand.

00:31:32.000 I mean, that's really what he acted like, according to this book, the enforcer, making sure, oh,

00:31:37.280 he's running again.

00:31:38.500 You only, you don't do one term.

00:31:40.300 You do two terms.

00:31:42.120 Irrespective of what Joe Biden wanted or was best for him, he seems to have known before

00:31:46.760 Joe Biden knew that Joe was running for a second term because Queen Jill had decided, and this

00:31:52.040 guy was hand to the queen.

00:31:53.640 Okay, so Jean-Pierre was untouchable because she had his blessing, so she was kissing his 1.00

00:31:58.140 ass to make sure she was good. 0.99

00:32:00.980 During Biden's presidency, Bernal had a hand in hiring many White House aides who were prioritized

00:32:06.580 for their loyalty.

00:32:08.260 That's what they wanted.

00:32:09.000 Jean-Pierre also caused internal drama by repeatedly blocking National Security Council

00:32:13.680 spokesperson John Kirby from joining her at the White House podium, even when national

00:32:17.360 security issues were at the forefront of the news.

00:32:19.520 A Biden spokesperson declined to comment.

00:32:21.040 Right, she didn't have the confidence to have him up there because she knew she was a

00:32:26.440 know-nothing.

00:32:27.340 That was the one thing she knew.

00:32:28.780 One thing the know-nothing knew was that she knew nothing.

00:32:32.260 Okay, they go on.

00:32:34.020 Some former Biden aides said Jean-Pierre's tenure was complicated by her work with

00:32:38.980 this is juicy, with a New York-based publicist named Gilda Squire.

00:32:44.300 Jean-Pierre was the focus of several magazine profiles and appeared on The View in New York.

00:32:49.660 At one point, she wanted to appear on the show once a week while the press secretary.

00:32:56.760 Within the White House, there were concerns about this Gilda Squire being looped in on internal 1.00

00:33:02.980 emails regarding Jean-Pierre's profiles and promotional appearances.

00:33:08.020 What press secretary has her own press secretary? 1.00

00:33:12.500 That's what this woman was doing for her. 0.99

00:33:14.700 She had a PR person running PR for her, which is inherently inconsistent.

00:33:23.040 The only PR she's supposed to be worried about is the bosses, making sure you're protecting 0.99

00:33:28.080 him, not your own ass. 0.99

00:33:29.900 But she wanted more magazine spreads. 0.99

00:33:33.140 Concerns, Axios goes on, about Jean-Pierre's self-promotion were even raised with the White 1.00

00:33:39.000 House counsel's office because some staffers felt torn between their administrative duties,

00:33:45.100 their administration duties, and helping Jean-Pierre promote herself nonstop, according to a former

00:33:51.940 White House aide familiar with the internal denial.

00:33:54.200 So people were going to the White House counsel saying, should I spend my time creating a better

00:34:01.120 profile for Corrine Jean-Pierre and giving interviews about how amazing she is?

00:34:05.460 Or should I spend my time working on White House duties for Joe Biden?

00:34:10.680 And then here's the wrinkle with this woman, Gilda Squire.

00:34:15.380 In February of 2024, Alex Thompson went to Squire.

00:34:21.460 He knew, okay, before Biden left office, it's February 24, he knew that Jean-Pierre had hired

00:34:27.420 this person and that she was working with this person on PR for herself.

00:34:32.080 So he emailed Gilda Squire and said, are you, are you helping her?

00:34:37.540 And he writes now publicly, Squire asked to go off the record and denied she was working

00:34:43.300 with Jean-Pierre to navigate and boost the press secretary's public profile.

00:34:47.740 As a result of her explicit denial, Axios did not report Squire's involvement at the time.

00:34:53.260 However, internal White House emails later obtained by Axios show that Squire was copied.

00:34:59.920 And he provides a copy of the email.

00:35:01.760 I've seen it myself, was copied on emails relating to Jean-Pierre's publicity work.

00:35:08.720 The messages included a September 2023 email.

00:35:12.080 So that's long before February of 24, when he's asking Gilda Squire, are you doing PR work

00:35:17.280 with her?

00:35:18.020 A 2023 email describing plans for her Vogue magazine profile.

00:35:24.020 As for comment Wednesday, Squire told Axios, Karine and I did not decide to engage on a professional

00:35:30.880 level until after she left the White House.

00:35:33.680 You might want to get your facts straight before you accuse someone of being a liar.

00:35:36.940 Please do not ever contact me again.

00:35:39.380 Then he sent her a copy of the 2023 email on which she, Gilda Squire, was copied on Karine

00:35:46.340 Jean-Pierre's Vogue profile.

00:35:48.360 And Squire, quote, did not respond further. 0.99

00:35:51.280 She's another effing liar, in my opinion. 1.00

00:35:54.480 She was working with her. 1.00

00:35:55.700 She didn't have the balls to admit it because it made them all look ridiculous and conflicted 0.99

00:36:01.900 on how to spend their time. 0.99

00:36:03.720 She clearly lied to Axios when caught red-handed and then again when caught red-handed the second

00:36:09.220 time.

00:36:09.720 And these two were working on making Karine Jean-Pierre a star on our dime, Stu.

00:36:18.000 Mm-hmm.

00:36:18.860 Every single penny of it we paid for.

00:36:20.920 What an amazing time this is to look at it.

00:36:23.940 I read the Alex Thompson story in Axios.

00:36:27.620 I read every single word of it.

00:36:30.420 And then I reread it because it was just so enjoyable to go through.

00:36:34.660 It's just incredible.

00:36:36.700 And, you know, you mentioned Anthony Bernal as the enforcer in this story.

00:36:42.740 Now, I will say, speaking of enforcers, I listened to your Jake Tapper interview.

00:36:46.320 Um, and, um, I, there was some enforcing going on, uh, there.

00:36:52.000 Uh, and I think Jake felt what it was like to have things enforced, uh, uh, and his early

00:36:58.460 coverage of this particular incident, you correctly called him out on.

00:37:02.180 But I do think lost in what a great interview that was, was how good Alex Thompson was throughout

00:37:09.180 this period.

00:37:10.500 Alex was covering all of this stuff at the time.

00:37:13.120 It's the type of stuff that we demand and ask for from the mainstream media and never

00:37:17.620 seem to get.

00:37:18.960 We never get these questions actually asked.

00:37:21.000 We never get people following up on this stuff.

00:37:23.820 And Alex, uh, correctly did do that through this period.

00:37:28.020 I think one of the things a little bit that has been lost from the right, and this goes

00:37:32.040 back to our happy moment that we're having, having today, uh, together, Megan, is there

00:37:37.380 is a, um, a little bit of a anger against the book even being written to speaking of

00:37:44.020 the Tapper and Thompson book.

00:37:45.660 And I think honestly, it's been a really positive thing.

00:37:48.840 I'm really happy that they wrote it.

00:37:50.940 I'm, that doesn't mean they don't deserve criticism for some of their past positions

00:37:54.680 and, and, and Jake's, uh, particular instance.

00:37:57.820 But I think that is a story, but not the only story here.

00:38:01.160 We've learned a lot, uh, from, from these books.

00:38:03.740 Uh, we've learned a lot from the, the, the Alex Thompson story today, you know, the stuff

00:38:08.320 about the view is amazing.

00:38:10.920 I mean, do you know how, do you know how intellectually unimpressive you must be to not be able to

00:38:16.440 impress people on the view?

00:38:17.560 Yes, exactly. 0.99

00:38:19.640 How dumb do you have to be to get rejected from the view? 1.00

00:38:24.600 Oh my God. 1.00

00:38:25.920 It's horrifying.

00:38:27.040 Can you imagine?

00:38:28.020 She must've had to go on some sort of antidepressant after that.

00:38:30.860 Like, I don't even know what I do.

00:38:32.600 I, I, I don't think I could come to terms with that. 1.00

00:38:35.220 You truly are as dumb as a, just a goat. 1.00

00:38:39.500 I just like, they'll take anybody over there, anybody. 1.00

00:38:42.940 And especially if you can say you were the former Biden press secretary and you're a lesbian 1.00

00:38:47.980 and black and you got rejected, you are dumber than dirt. 1.00

00:38:54.360 You're starting, you know, uh, three steps from home in between third base and scoring, 1.00

00:39:00.520 and you can't get across home plate.

00:39:02.540 It's, it's unbelievable. 0.99

00:39:04.240 I mean, the views basic programming strategy is to do a nationwide search for the four dumbest 0.99

00:39:09.940 people on the planet and put them around a table. 0.99

00:39:12.180 And, and they were like, sorry, Corinne, you're just too terrible.

00:39:16.940 Even for us.

00:39:17.880 You're not there.

00:39:19.120 Oh, I, I love, I have to say, and this is probably a little bit evil.

00:39:24.920 There's probably a evil part of me.

00:39:26.640 That's, you know, the devil's on the shoulder a tad here, but I just can't get enough of this

00:39:30.640 stuff.

00:39:30.900 I love this.

00:39:33.040 Every Democrat that has been lying to us this entire time is now just coming to the table

00:39:37.760 and just being like, oh yeah, by the way, you guys were totally right on everything. 1.00

00:39:41.760 She's an idiot. 1.00

00:39:42.720 From, yeah, from, uh, Biden to Corinne Jean-Pierre to, to COVID school lockdowns. 1.00

00:39:49.160 To a main caliph.

00:39:50.900 Yes.

00:39:51.800 To Ibram Kendi.

00:39:53.260 Yeah.

00:39:53.580 It's like all, all of it is coming true at once.

00:39:57.000 And I'm in our warm water.

00:39:59.120 Come on, let's go swimming.

00:40:01.320 It's wonderful.

00:40:02.840 It's so much.

00:40:03.680 I'm enough of a pessimist to feel like eventually this is going to stop and we're going to,

00:40:08.180 things are going to turn negative.

00:40:10.060 Let's just enjoy it while we're here.

00:40:12.220 It might be warm waters right by the shore at a beautiful beach.

00:40:14.960 There's probably a giant tsunami right around the corner, but for the moment, let's just

00:40:20.060 we're in there.

00:40:20.820 We're swimming.

00:40:21.900 We're doing the breaststroke.

00:40:23.340 I see you.

00:40:24.120 Obviously you and I have been here for a long time there.

00:40:26.000 Oh my God.

00:40:26.400 Katanji Brown Jackson's in here.

00:40:27.860 What's she doing here?

00:40:28.540 Oh my God.

00:40:29.380 Half the Biden comm staff is now in our warm water swimming around.

00:40:33.140 Great to see you.

00:40:34.560 It's, it's, it's a glorious day.

00:40:36.520 I don't, I don't want to close out Corrine Jean-Pierre without doing a little bit from

00:40:39.740 the political piece, which in some ways duplicates, um, Axios, but I, I just want to make sure.

00:40:45.320 Okay.

00:40:45.640 Cause we don't want to leave any goodness on, on the floor, on the editing room floor.

00:40:49.660 Um, it talks about her wanting to be the co-host of the view, never got an offer.

00:40:53.380 Multiple Democrats who have worked with her believe what she's doing with this book

00:40:56.620 is a grift.

00:40:57.820 Uh, it's detonated long simmering grievances.

00:41:00.340 Uh, they are angry about her pursuit of celebrity and personal media exposure.

00:41:06.120 So now this is both publications reporting this.

00:41:08.580 I'm reading from the political report here, uh, the attention grabbing ploy of this book

00:41:12.940 lit up democratic and Biden alumni texting groups and reignited frustrations that burned

00:41:19.400 for years about her.

00:41:20.640 According to seven former Biden admin officials, granted anonymity, um, her halting ineffectual 0.99

00:41:27.740 briefings, exasperated reporters and routinely offered material for the Republican party's

00:41:34.040 main account on X.

00:41:35.320 She frustrated colleagues throughout the West wing for focusing on raising her own profile

00:41:40.520 while leaving the hands-on management of media relations and the white house press shop

00:41:44.480 to other aides.

00:41:45.320 So that's interesting.

00:41:46.180 Like internally, they were pissed that they were having to do her work.

00:41:49.320 She wasn't paying attention to the actual job.

00:41:51.400 Um, okay.

00:41:53.000 But, but, but several former colleagues expressed confusion.

00:41:56.140 This is actually a good point here as to how she seemingly intends to paint Biden as a

00:42:01.500 victim because she's going to talk about like the, how the Democrat party turned on him.

00:42:06.540 And she seems to be angry about that, how she intends to paint Biden as a victim while

00:42:11.800 pinning her own decision to leave the party on the quote, broken white house. 0.87

00:42:16.720 Both of those are from the Hachette press release yesterday.

00:42:20.440 And they're exactly right.

00:42:21.820 Like they talked about a broken white house and yet the Democrats who backstabbed him.

00:42:25.840 So how is it broken?

00:42:27.660 How is she going to square those two things?

00:42:28.920 It's a good point.

00:42:29.540 Uh, Jean-Pierre's former staffers offered withering criticism of what they see as an

00:42:38.880 opportunistic grift.

00:42:40.620 She made a joke about being an independent last year, and now it's a book.

00:42:44.720 All ideas are monetary. 0.99

00:42:46.380 Even the dumb ones said one of the staffers. 0.99

00:42:49.740 Um, okay, wait. 0.99

00:42:51.220 And then, and then wait, I sent my team this earlier.

00:42:54.660 Stand by.

00:42:55.380 There is somebody who I got to try to find it.

00:42:58.620 Oh yeah.

00:42:59.820 A guy named Tim Wu, white house for white house policy staff.

00:43:04.820 I saw, hold on a second.

00:43:05.920 What's his, he was special assistant to the president, uh, for tech and company and competition

00:43:11.080 policy.

00:43:11.500 And he tweeted out and then later deleted from white house policy staff perspective. 0.99

00:43:16.940 The real problem with Corrine Jean-Pierre was that she was kind of dumb, no interest in 0.99

00:43:21.900 understanding harder topics, just gave random incoherent answers on policy that he's on the 0.97

00:43:28.520 record saying that we, I mean, we know, but it's extraordinary to hear somebody get specific

00:43:34.980 about it.

00:43:35.400 Hold on.

00:43:35.680 There's more, um, another former colleague said, okay, let's see.

00:43:43.280 While a number of former colleagues kept their comments private, Jeremy Edwards, who served

00:43:47.500 in the press shop under Jean-Pierre posted a succinct response to her book project on X

00:43:52.980 quote, LOL, one democratic operative who worked with Jean-Pierre prior to her white house tenure

00:43:59.320 called the sudden turnabout the most grifty thing I've seen in a long time.

00:44:03.520 And that's saying something in Washington.

00:44:06.120 Um, one of the former Biden white house officials said it in a text to Politico.

00:44:11.080 She was the public face telling us all that this white house was on track and that Biden

00:44:16.300 was amazing.

00:44:17.000 And now she doesn't even want to be a Democrat. 1.00

00:44:19.660 She's making herself the middle ground here when Republicans hate her. 1.00

00:44:24.440 She's not in any position to be a connector of our two party system and assuming she could 1.00

00:44:29.800 be is just ego.

00:44:32.120 It's so good. 1.00

00:44:33.540 They're all ripping on her, uh, some by name saying how dumb she was, how she's a joke 0.99

00:44:39.780 and literally nobody's buying her ability to be an independent connector who somehow is 0.99

00:44:46.540 going to heal the partisan breach.

00:44:48.920 Stu back to my original point when her soundbite was playing of how those were all lies to literally 0.59

00:44:54.500 nobody's going up to Corrine Jean-Pierre saying, Corrine, how did we get here?

00:44:58.120 How do we solve this?

00:44:59.700 Literally no one.

00:45:01.300 It's a lie.

00:45:03.000 No one asks her questions like that.

00:45:05.980 No one has any desire to hear her deep intellectual thoughts, which would sound very vacuous, 0.98

00:45:12.360 uh, if, if presented, um, you know, she is dumb is just a really good descriptor, right? 0.96

00:45:19.620 Like we can kind of complicate this and you can kind of go try to say, oh gosh, well, she 0.83

00:45:24.020 was just, you know, you know, overly loyal to the president.

00:45:27.680 And she was in a tough position, which she was.

00:45:29.700 I mean, everybody in that job is in a somewhat tough position at times, but she could never

00:45:34.300 handle it.

00:45:34.980 Even on the easiest days, even on days that were good for the Biden administration, she

00:45:39.220 was still terrible. 1.00

00:45:40.900 She was an idiot from the beginning of the time she got in there. 1.00

00:45:44.720 I swear to you. 1.00

00:45:45.760 I mean, look, I don't think Jen Psaki was a great press secretary, but I swear the reason 1.00

00:45:51.020 Corrine Jean-Pierre got this job is it was a plot by Jen Psaki to make Jen Psaki look good 1.00

00:45:55.860 because in comparison, yeah, you're just like, I think she recommended her for that job specifically

00:46:02.140 so that she would look like the greatest employee of all time.

00:46:06.160 And I love how you're like, you, you kind of date it, you know, how you, we can put like 0.96

00:46:09.840 a, an actual date on the dumbness. 0.93

00:46:12.560 And it was right from day one.

00:46:14.080 It reminds me of Trump on Rosie O'Donnell. 1.00

00:46:16.100 She's a loser. 1.00

00:46:16.980 She's been a loser for a long time. 1.00

00:46:18.640 You know, like I remember that it's not a new phenomenon. 1.00

00:46:22.660 She's been a loser for a long time. 0.95

00:46:24.020 Same with Corrine Jean-Pierre. 1.00

00:46:25.040 She's stupid. 1.00

00:46:26.380 She's been stupid for a long time. 1.00

00:46:27.840 From day one, nobody remembers a smart Corrine Jean-Pierre. 1.00

00:46:31.220 There was not an era in her life where she was intelligent.

00:46:34.760 That's just not one of those things that happened.

00:46:37.160 And it shows even in her description of why she's writing the book, she's, she's going

00:46:43.360 independent.

00:46:44.400 And that can be an interesting story, right?

00:46:46.220 Like if someone on the left was going independent or if someone on the right was going independent

00:46:49.960 and they said, Hey, you know, this has become too partisan.

00:46:52.120 And, uh, and I don't like the way that this, this system is playing out.

00:46:55.120 That can be an interesting story to hear from someone, not Corrine Jean-Pierre, cause she's 0.98

00:46:58.340 a moron and probably can't even read, let alone write, but that's a whole other situation. 0.97

00:47:02.000 I think there's a fascinating part of this is that she seems to be arguing. 1.00

00:47:05.940 The reason she's going independent is not because the Democrats were too partisan.

00:47:11.540 It's because they weren't partisan enough.

00:47:14.140 They, they also bailed on Biden when it became so obvious that it was, that it was going down

00:47:21.100 the road, wrong, uh, road that they didn't stick by him based purely out of partisan loyalty,

00:47:28.340 which was the only argument left.

00:47:30.600 And my favorite quotes of all the stories that you read is the one where they say she's

00:47:36.240 lost her only constituency, partisan Democrats, because the only argument for her from the

00:47:42.420 day she walked into that job was that she had a D near her name somewhere.

00:47:47.980 That was it.

00:47:48.440 Well, and also an L and a B and a W.

00:47:53.680 It's true.

00:47:53.900 Those are the things she kept reminding.

00:47:55.000 She's like the Don Lemon of the white house. 0.95

00:47:57.160 I'm black and I'm gay. 0.75

00:47:57.980 She had, she had many intersectional, uh, intersectional varied, uh, varieties that

00:48:04.240 she checked those boxes and intersexual. 0.96

00:48:06.660 Yes.

00:48:07.220 Both apparently.

00:48:08.220 Um, but I mean, look at conservatives with many of those boxes checked.

00:48:12.300 They're still hated by Democrats, right?

00:48:15.220 Yeah. 0.99

00:48:15.720 You know, you find, you find a, you find a gay Republican that, you know, they're despised 0.99

00:48:20.200 and guaranteed maybe even more than, uh, than the black Republicans too. 0.98

00:48:26.000 Yeah, absolutely.

00:48:26.860 So I think like, it's funny to see this and it's funny to see her attempt this.

00:48:31.660 The other part of it is no one's going to buy it.

00:48:34.240 I mean, I don't know what her advance was on this book.

00:48:36.600 We're going to buy it.

00:48:37.440 You know, so you don't have to.

00:48:38.980 I love that.

00:48:40.020 Good.

00:48:40.220 Cause I don't want to Megan.

00:48:41.680 I know who wants to give her when you review it.

00:48:44.360 I will do it because I love all of you, but I don't recommend anybody buy this book.

00:48:48.420 You know, it's going to be full of just empty pablum.

00:48:50.460 Do we have time to play that Alex Thompson?

00:48:52.080 So how much time do we have left Steve?

00:48:53.160 All right, let's play this out.

00:48:56.660 Alex Thompson on the book tour made an interesting point the other day.

00:48:59.340 Here it is.

00:48:59.700 If you're a reporter, a White House reporter in DC, and you are going to be really adversarial

00:49:06.500 and tough, but fair on Trump, you get like snaps all across town.

00:49:11.000 You get invited to like every single garden party and book party imaginable.

00:49:14.420 Um, but if you do it, uh, you know, with Biden or even with Obama, like it, there is like

00:49:21.000 a different social like costs.

00:49:23.760 And I do think it affects the reporting.

00:49:27.120 A hundred percent.

00:49:28.680 Right.

00:49:30.680 Everyone is saying the things that we said forever are true today.

00:49:34.540 Megan, I don't know what we did to deserve this.

00:49:37.060 I love it.

00:49:38.040 I'm going to bask in every second of it and just pray it doesn't end.

00:49:42.020 It's so weird.

00:49:43.780 It really, like I said, are we here?

00:49:45.240 Is this happening?

00:49:46.080 Was it we're praising Ketanji Brown Jackson?

00:49:49.160 Sotomayor, the, the left, you know, mainstream so-called media saying all the things that we've

00:49:54.620 been saying.

00:49:55.200 We're winning on every point.

00:49:57.680 Everybody's turned on Kareem Jean-Pierre.

00:49:59.460 It's just so great. 0.99

00:50:00.920 George Clooney is making a fool of himself. 0.96

00:50:02.400 This is just, this is my kind of day now up next, up next, a little fly in the ointment 0.98

00:50:08.620 as Trump just came out and swatted down Elon.

00:50:13.780 He's had about enough of Elon's criticisms of the big, beautiful bill.

00:50:18.440 We'll play the soundbite that just dropped from the white house.

00:50:21.240 Don't go away.

00:50:21.840 Okay.

00:50:22.040 Stu's with us when we come back.

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00:51:36.280 Stu Bergheer of Lee's TV, Stu Does America is back with me.

00:51:43.820 And though it's not going well between Trump and Elon, here's what's happening.

00:51:50.320 So Elon recently left the administration and his status as a special government employee.

00:51:54.200 And they had like a brotherly news conference where they were patting each other on the back

00:51:58.000 just last week.

00:51:58.680 And then Elon said, I can stand it no longer.

00:52:02.840 I have got to say what I feel.

00:52:04.380 The big, beautiful bill is an absolute abomination, a disgusting abomination, ridiculing the amount

00:52:11.380 of spending and the amount of pork that's in there.

00:52:13.780 You know, these pet projects that you've got to give this lawmaker or that in order to get

00:52:17.560 them to be a yes on the bill.

00:52:19.420 And he's ripping on it.

00:52:20.760 And Trump is selling it at the same time.

00:52:22.500 And it clearly has a disagreement with Elon about this.

00:52:25.680 So Trump had been holding his fire.

00:52:28.060 Here, Elon went off for two days in a row, started Tuesday, continued Wednesday.

00:52:32.740 Trump didn't say anything.

00:52:33.800 He let him let off some steam.

00:52:36.340 But you know how Trump is like you keep poking the bear and the bear is going to give you the

00:52:41.320 claw eventually.

00:52:42.700 And it just happened.

00:52:44.000 Here's the first soundbite from Trump behind.

00:52:47.200 He's in the Oval for this.

00:52:48.340 Is he not, team?

00:52:49.000 I think he's in the Oval talking about this.

00:52:51.140 Yeah.

00:52:51.800 OK.

00:52:52.440 Sot one. 0.58

00:52:54.340 Yeah, I can understand why he's upset.

00:52:56.080 But remember, he was here for a long time.

00:52:58.920 You saw a man who was very happy when he stood behind the Oval desk.

00:53:04.520 And even with the black eye, I said, do you want a little makeup?

00:53:07.800 We'll get you a little makeup.

00:53:09.260 But he said, no, I don't think so, which is interesting and very nice.

00:53:14.380 He wants to be who he is.

00:53:15.680 So you could make that statement, too, I guess.

00:53:18.100 Look, Elon and I had a great relationship.

00:53:22.400 I don't know if we're well anymore.

00:53:23.960 I was surprised because you were here.

00:53:25.980 Everybody in this room practically was here as we had a wonderful sendoff.

00:53:29.780 He said wonderful things about me.

00:53:31.280 You couldn't have nicer.

00:53:32.200 He said the best thing.

00:53:34.060 He's worn the hat.

00:53:35.680 Trump was right about everything.

00:53:36.980 And I am right about the great, big, beautiful bill.

00:53:42.260 OK, so you can tell it's getting tenser.

00:53:45.880 But then he went on.

00:53:48.120 We're getting the soundbite ready.

00:53:49.120 This just happened.

00:53:50.340 I'll give you the preview and then we'll play it when we have it ready.

00:53:52.900 But he came out and said, I would have won Pennsylvania without Elon.

00:53:59.300 Elon and suggested maybe he's suffering from some Trump derangement syndrome.

00:54:04.820 Oh, God.

00:54:05.980 And then Elon came out.

00:54:10.680 Oh, by the way, Trump also said, I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of this

00:54:14.580 bill better than almost anyone.

00:54:16.300 He had no problem with it.

00:54:17.800 All of a sudden he had a problem and he only developed the problem when he found out we're

00:54:21.980 going to have to cut electric vehicle mandates, EV mandates, subsidies for, you know, green

00:54:28.120 energy and like places like Tesla.

00:54:30.500 He hasn't said anything bad about me personally, but I'm sure that'll be next. 1.00

00:54:35.400 But I'm very disappointed in Elon.

00:54:38.220 And then Elon came out and said, OK, first of all, false.

00:54:43.680 This bill was never shown to me, not even once.

00:54:46.120 It was passed in the dead of night so fast that almost no one in Congress could even read

00:54:49.440 it.

00:54:50.080 Whatever.

00:54:50.520 He continued on X.

00:54:52.220 Keep the EV and solar incentive cuts in the bill.

00:54:55.240 Fine.

00:54:55.480 Even though there are no oil and gas subsidies, none of those are touched.

00:54:59.940 Very unfair.

00:55:01.140 But ditch the mountain of disgusting pork in this bill. 0.97

00:55:05.000 In the entire history of civilization, there's never been legislation that is both big and

00:55:08.780 beautiful.

00:55:09.520 Everyone knows this.

00:55:10.340 Either you get a big and ugly bill or a slim and beautiful one.

00:55:13.500 Slim and beautiful is the way to go.

00:55:15.180 And here was that soundbite with Trump going after him on Pennsylvania.

00:55:19.120 Watch.

00:55:19.380 I think I would have won.

00:55:21.900 Susie would say I would have won Pennsylvania easily anyway.

00:55:25.140 But I'm very disappointed because Elon knew the inner workings of this bill better than

00:55:30.540 almost anybody sitting here.

00:55:32.580 Better than you people.

00:55:33.640 He knew everything about it.

00:55:34.620 He had no problem with it.

00:55:35.660 All of a sudden, he had a problem.

00:55:37.240 And he only developed the problem when he found out that we're going to have to cut the

00:55:40.420 EV mandate.

00:55:41.480 And I'll be honest.

00:55:42.220 I think he misses the place.

00:55:44.080 I think he got out there and all of a sudden he wasn't in this beautiful Oval Office.

00:55:47.660 It's not he's not the first people leave my administration and they love us.

00:55:55.960 And then at some point they miss it so badly.

00:55:59.060 And some of them embrace it.

00:56:01.380 And some of them actually become hostile.

00:56:03.820 I don't know what it is.

00:56:04.860 It's sort of Trump derangement syndrome.

00:56:06.640 I guess they call it.

00:56:07.560 But we have it with others, too.

00:56:09.820 They leave and they wake up in the morning and the glamour is gone.

00:56:14.600 The whole world is different and they become hostile.

00:56:19.260 Oh, boy.

00:56:20.400 And then, Stu, Elon tweeted out,

00:56:24.820 Without me, Trump would have lost the election.

00:56:28.800 Dems would control the House and Republicans would be 51-49 in the Senate.

00:56:33.620 Such ingratitude.

00:56:35.420 Don't.

00:56:36.320 Your thoughts.

00:56:37.200 Oh, man.

00:56:40.060 Well, maybe this was all too good to be true, Megan.

00:56:43.020 We love that first hour.

00:56:44.500 That first hour is so fun.

00:56:45.500 Yeah, I know.

00:56:46.200 Now it all crumbles.

00:56:47.880 You know, this sort of super team combo with Elon and Trump was always one of those things

00:56:54.700 you've wondered about how long it might last, right?

00:56:57.240 I mean, there are two very big egos, two people who do not like to back down at all

00:57:04.240 and kind of live their lives with I'm going to say whatever I want about whomever I want.

00:57:08.960 I think there's a lot of Republicans who would be terrified of taking on Elon Musk from him

00:57:14.180 obviously controlling X to the fact that he's kind of like became, you know, the Republicans'

00:57:19.620 biggest benefactor, right?

00:57:20.800 Like, you know, maybe that's one of the reasons why this took a couple of days.

00:57:24.200 But frankly, when they start when when you start saying stuff to Donald Trump like you

00:57:28.780 would not have won without me, I don't know that there's anything that you could say to

00:57:33.580 Donald Trump that would piss him off more than that sentence.

00:57:37.520 I fear that you also you lost in 2020.

00:57:41.660 Those two.

00:57:42.240 Right.

00:57:42.840 Yes.

00:57:43.420 Those two things.

00:57:44.460 And they're very closely related.

00:57:46.000 Right.

00:57:46.400 I think, you know, it's funny.

00:57:47.940 We you know, I was really optimistic with with Elon Musk joining the way that he did.

00:57:53.400 But, you know, I read his autobiography or not his autobiography, the biography that was

00:57:57.640 written about him.

00:57:58.380 But the guy followed him around for months and months and months and months.

00:58:00.860 Walter Isaacson.

00:58:01.980 Walter Isaacson.

00:58:02.480 Thank you very much.

00:58:03.440 And the book is great and it's really interesting.

00:58:05.880 And you see Elon Musk.

00:58:07.380 There's a lot of flaws in him.

00:58:08.500 He's not a perfect guy.

00:58:09.940 But one of the things that was really encouraging about him entering government was the way he

00:58:14.040 approached these things.

00:58:15.140 He often looked at the systems that had been ingrained forever and questioned them and ripped

00:58:21.940 them apart and made them more efficient.

00:58:24.120 And so I had really high hopes for this.

00:58:26.660 But it always felt like there was a bit of a wick on a time bomb that would be a time

00:58:33.760 bomb if there was a wick.

00:58:34.480 But, you know, I'm making up the analogy.

00:58:36.240 I got it.

00:58:36.260 I got it.

00:58:37.760 I'm picturing the cartoon bomb that does have a wick.

00:58:39.800 Exactly.

00:58:40.660 Exactly.

00:58:41.680 You know, it's funny.

00:58:42.480 We when this all happened, I was with a group of friends back in right after the election.

00:58:46.320 Trump won and we were all kind of sitting around and all of us were rooting for this

00:58:50.260 to be really successful to Trump to do great and Elon to be great, helpful.

00:58:54.080 And as we talked about it, we just kind of came up with this conclusion that, oh, no,

00:58:57.360 this is going to turn bad.

00:58:58.640 It's not going to last that long.

00:58:59.980 And we actually had a bet in which we predicted the date of the breakup.

00:59:06.020 And my pick, I want this to be known nationally, was May 29th.

00:59:10.880 That was my pick.

00:59:11.920 It is June 5th, so I missed by less than a week.

00:59:15.800 And in the commercial break after you told me about that clip, Megan, I went into the

00:59:19.040 group chat and I just texted my Venmo.

00:59:21.520 I'm not happy that I'm going to win that bet, but I believe that that is one.

00:59:26.820 Yeah, it's not a surprise.

00:59:30.040 It's unfortunate because, you know, it's so much better for America, I think, to have

00:59:35.680 Elon on board with the Trump agenda.

00:59:37.900 Maybe they will be again.

00:59:39.580 Maybe the big, beautiful bill, which Mark Halpern was explaining to us yesterday, will

00:59:44.000 pass because it must pass or Trump's entire presidency is in danger.

00:59:48.940 That is what he said.

00:59:51.500 Maybe Elon will just swallow it and get past it and realize there's still so many areas

00:59:56.900 of cooperation.

00:59:58.140 And like, it does not serve us at all to have him supporting Democrats.

01:00:03.360 Like yesterday, he was saying people who vote for this thing will pay a price.

01:00:06.900 It's like, oh, I don't think he's actually going to run against Republicans.

01:00:09.960 I mean, what he's getting now online is people like George Conway tweeting, I love Elon Musk.

01:00:16.860 Don't you?

01:00:18.060 So what does this do for the left now, Stu?

01:00:20.620 Are they going to start buying Teslas again?

01:00:23.020 Are they going to, you know, is it OK to drive one?

01:00:26.040 You don't have to firebomb Tesla stores any longer since Elon is taking on Trump.

01:00:30.920 I don't know, but it's not over because there's, I think, zero chance Trump lets you would have

01:00:37.780 lost the election without me lie.

01:00:40.820 He is not going to let that lie without pummeling Elon.

01:00:44.000 It's about to get ugly.

01:00:46.140 Oh, man, it's going to get really ugly.

01:00:48.500 And I don't, you know, I know you're not either.

01:00:51.220 I'm not excited about it.

01:00:52.400 And I think it was a really positive thing.

01:00:55.400 And hopefully there is something that happens.

01:00:57.880 I mean, I feel I still think I agree with Mark that something's going to pass might

01:01:01.560 not be this exact bill or something super close to it.

01:01:04.600 There may be a simplification process that has to occur over a period of time.

01:01:07.860 We will see on that.

01:01:09.200 And maybe Elon can come around to that.

01:01:12.320 I think it's really negative for the country if if Elon gets embraced by the left and goes

01:01:17.040 back that direction.

01:01:18.000 I mean, his transformation, but the way he was treated by the media and the left is one

01:01:22.360 of the most fascinating developments in politics over the past decade.

01:01:27.240 I mean, here's a guy who was absolutely loved.

01:01:29.800 We were told global warming is the greatest existential threat and electric cars are the

01:01:34.360 answer.

01:01:35.160 This man built this company and did incredible things, not to mention what he did in solar

01:01:39.620 and so many other aspects that should be very pleasing to the left and were for a long

01:01:45.840 time until I mean, I think it really started with him wanting to keep his factory open and

01:01:50.520 continue to make those electric cars during covid.

01:01:53.160 And from there, there's been this movement.

01:01:55.880 He committed the ultimate grievous sin by supporting Donald Trump to the left.

01:02:01.300 So I don't know if they can bring him back into the fold.

01:02:03.340 They've been calling him a Nazi for the past year, saying he's giving Nazi salutes at rallies.

01:02:09.720 Yeah, they've treated him.

01:02:11.600 They will not take him back.

01:02:13.260 I don't think they'll take him back.

01:02:15.080 I don't you know, he's the type of person that doesn't care.

01:02:17.120 I think, you know, he doesn't care what people think about him.

01:02:19.240 And of course, Trump doesn't either.

01:02:21.140 And when you have that sort of battle, it doesn't feel like we're headed in a good direction.

01:02:26.380 I will I will I will maintain our optimism from the earlier hour and hope that something

01:02:33.080 can come out of this.

01:02:34.560 But it's hard to see that path right now.

01:02:39.180 Yashar Ali tweeted out, as President Trump expressed disappointment in Elon and said he

01:02:43.880 wasn't sure they would have a great relationship again.

01:02:45.920 And Tesla's stock price took a sharp dive and shows the little graph going down.

01:02:52.620 I mean, we'll see what happens.

01:02:53.580 But this is this is the beginning, I think, of a saga.

01:02:57.240 It's not it's not the end.

01:02:58.940 It's not even the end of the end of their relationship.

01:03:00.800 It's like I think this is the beginning of something that hopefully will get resolved

01:03:04.740 quickly.

01:03:05.300 They should pick up the phone and chat.

01:03:06.740 That would be the nicest thing to see.

01:03:09.180 Meanwhile, I've got to get to this just because it's graduation season, right?

01:03:13.540 All these colleges, you're seeing everybody graduate and high schools are starting to

01:03:17.260 do it.

01:03:18.100 And somebody who had a special graduation in her family that she's celebrating, which

01:03:22.920 I will get to on the back end of this first clip, is Sonny Hostin. 1.00

01:03:27.700 We talked about the view and how dumb they are. 0.96

01:03:30.420 Here's just in case you forgot, Sonny Hostin's view of America. 0.97

01:03:34.860 I worry about my children's future, especially my daughter, who now has less rights than I

01:03:43.740 have.

01:03:43.920 This stolen land, first of all, OK, California's stolen land.

01:03:46.700 The biggest threat to our country today, says the FBI's director, is white supremacy

01:03:52.160 and domestic terrorism. 0.89

01:03:54.880 Merrick Garland said the biggest threat to our democracy is white supremacy and domestic 0.87

01:03:59.980 terrorism.

01:04:00.500 How do you come together when it's homegrown terror?

01:04:05.300 And we have never addressed why there is that issue that remains in this country 400 years

01:04:13.220 later. 0.64

01:04:14.600 OK, so we have white supremacists running around this country. 0.98

01:04:19.720 It's the biggest threat we face. 0.95

01:04:21.820 And she's deeply worried about her children's future.

01:04:25.080 You heard her there.

01:04:25.820 I'm very worried about my children's future.

01:04:27.580 Well, fear not, Sonny, because look at the picture she posted just the other day.

01:04:34.900 Here is her son graduating from Harvard. 0.94

01:04:39.100 Yes, her black son graduated from Harvard, even though it's a country of white supremacists.

01:04:46.400 And she's deeply, deeply worried for his future.

01:04:49.520 I'm sure he has no chance ahead of him still.

01:04:53.400 The effing nerve of this woman. 0.81

01:04:56.140 Let me tell you, virtually nobody listening to this program is going to have a child who

01:05:01.040 gets into Harvard, nevermind graduates from Harvard.

01:05:05.520 Sonny Hostin made that happen because she's a host on The View and because she's a woman

01:05:11.720 of color and she gave birth to a son of color.

01:05:14.760 And all of that greased the wheels for this kid right into Harvard, obviously. 0.90

01:05:19.440 But she still gets to run around calling us all white supremacists, a terrible country

01:05:24.480 in which her child is endangered. 1.00

01:05:27.260 The absolute rank hypocrisy and disgusting dishonesty of her commentary has never been 0.88

01:05:35.040 so obvious as this week with that photo. 0.96

01:05:37.720 It's almost like a pastor who's preaching the Bible while, you know, committing all sorts

01:05:45.620 of infidelities behind the scenes.

01:05:47.500 It's like here she is painting this picture to her audience.

01:05:50.840 She wants them to believe that they can't make it, that their opportunity has been destroyed,

01:05:55.900 that there's no hope.

01:05:58.360 I mean, you listen to the way she talks about that.

01:06:00.180 Who would want to even live in this country?

01:06:01.880 And then you realize that she's in the middle of living some version of the American dream. 1.00

01:06:08.300 She's first, first of all, a talentless moron that's making millions of dollars on television. 1.00

01:06:13.260 I guess that's, I mean, it's a weird part of the American dream, but lately it seems to 1.00

01:06:16.600 be a pretty consistent one.

01:06:18.560 But on the other fact, even bigger than that, your son achieving something like that, watching

01:06:23.280 your son go through that and achieving some, you know, I mean, look, Harvard, I have a lot

01:06:27.460 of problems with it.

01:06:28.100 I'm sure it's pretty difficult and you have to be pretty smart to get in.

01:06:31.580 Even if you are being helped at some level, graduating Harvard is an achievement.

01:06:36.380 It's the type of thing that you think-

01:06:37.540 Didn't Joy Reid graduate from Harvard?

01:06:39.420 I think Joy Reid.

01:06:40.280 So let's just, let's be careful.

01:06:42.500 No, that can't, that can't be true.

01:06:44.140 If that's true, we should cut it, we should cut the land off and push it off into the ocean.

01:06:49.940 I don't know if that's true. 1.00

01:06:51.500 It's hard to believe because she, even on the views, but the views standards is an idiot. 1.00

01:06:56.600 My producer's confirming. 1.00

01:06:57.780 All right.

01:06:58.640 That's it.

01:06:59.240 Okay.

01:06:59.360 Just get where, how do we, what do we do here?

01:07:01.880 How do we, can we send it to another country?

01:07:03.800 She's another, but she's another grievance filled person.

01:07:06.880 Who's not grateful at all for the education she got at one of our elite institutions. 0.82

01:07:12.160 It's just the nerve of Sonny Hauston to try to make us feel sorry for him.

01:07:19.900 He's endangered.

01:07:21.540 I'm deeply worried about his future. 1.00

01:07:23.720 Are you, is he going to have a tough time as a young black American male graduating from Harvard, which you well knew when you were making all your stupid, empty complaints? 1.00

01:07:36.520 Oh, it's so good. 0.99

01:07:39.560 I, you know, and the, the problem of course here, Megan, is that education is what fuels her commentary. 0.94

01:07:44.920 It's that, that messaging from our elite institutions, which is constantly telling every person who goes through the doors, how terrible the country is they're about to walk into.

01:07:56.060 And that has led to so many massive problems.

01:08:00.120 I mean, look, we can talk about the Trump Elon drama. 0.99

01:08:02.400 It sucks. 0.96

01:08:02.880 I don't want that to happen. 0.99

01:08:04.040 But when he's looking at these, these institutions that are watching Jews get lit on fire in parks and, and then coming out and constantly holding pro Palestinian rallies, not only the day after that, but the day after October 7th, they were doing this. 0.56

01:08:24.220 That type of stuff happening is a core problem.

01:08:28.020 Thank God Trump is there to target that and make everybody aware of it and try to do something about it because you get this sort of, you know, feedback loop and the feedback loop here.

01:08:39.580 I hope this isn't true with Sonny Austin's child.

01:08:41.460 I hope they didn't learn these things. 0.98

01:08:42.480 I hope he's smart enough to recognize the idiocy and the total disparity of, of what he's being told by his mother and probably what he's being told in college and the real world where he's going to go out and have an incredibly successful career. 0.99

01:08:58.020 Probably make hundreds of thousands of dollars out the door. 0.99

01:09:01.160 Yeah.

01:09:01.660 I don't understand how you can see those two things in the same place.

01:09:04.760 Her lies about the country are infuriating.

01:09:07.300 It's like you can make it in this country, black or white.

01:09:12.580 What you need to check is your grievance.

01:09:15.260 If you work hard, black, white or other, you can make it in America. 0.55

01:09:21.620 That's the beauty of being born here or obtaining American citizenship.

01:09:26.620 And every normal American knows that.

01:09:29.400 And even Sonny Austin on some level must know that with her privileged life and her huge mansion, which she's put online before and we've shown it, and her kid at Harvard.

01:09:40.380 It's just she wants us to believe in this dark, as you say, dystopian version of our country while she's secretly living this lavish life of luxury.

01:09:50.760 Well, we're on to you and your grift, like your friend, Kareen.

01:09:55.880 I've got to end with this.

01:09:57.660 It's weird, but we've got to talk about it.

01:10:01.580 Meghan Markle posted a bizarre video on her social media yesterday, which sent several people into absolute meltdown. 0.95

01:10:11.160 It is the cringiest, most uncomfortable piece of tape I've seen in a long time.

01:10:16.680 I'm sorry, but I'm going to make you watch it.

01:10:19.180 Sot 24.

01:10:24.720 She's supposedly nine months pregnant in the hospital room, dancing with a big belly. 1.00

01:10:32.000 Harry's there, too.

01:10:33.960 She's kind of twerking. 1.00

01:10:35.500 She's going to twerk. 0.78

01:10:36.160 She spreads her legs.

01:10:49.580 She hides her dress. 1.00

01:10:51.440 She circles her genitals around and around. 1.00

01:10:56.700 Okay. 0.99

01:10:58.020 This is deeply problematic on a number of levels.

01:11:01.920 Number one, here's the problem.

01:11:04.800 We don't like you.

01:11:06.260 Meghan Markle.

01:11:07.080 We don't like you.

01:11:08.120 And no amount of posting videos that you think are going to humanize you will make us like you.

01:11:13.540 You've already shown us your true colors.

01:11:15.660 We know who you are. 1.00

01:11:16.660 You helped kill the queen. 1.00

01:11:18.020 You didn't give two shits about calling the royal family racist while Prince Philip was on his deathbed and casting aspersions on him. 1.00

01:11:25.640 You have completely undermined all the amazing gifts that this family has given you as nothing and suggested that they didn't care you were suicidal and they were the ones who drove you there. 0.95

01:11:35.040 So she has absolutely no love lost between her and most people who may be somewhat warm towards the royal family, even if we're not big on royalty.

01:11:44.320 She's reportedly bullied virtually everybody who's ever worked for her.

01:11:49.540 She can't keep a staff in London.

01:11:50.720 She can't keep a staff in Montecito. 0.99

01:11:52.520 She's a bully. 0.99

01:11:53.220 She's obsessed with her own ego face on television, et cetera, and playing the victim. 0.98

01:11:59.560 So no amount of humanizing videos, even if she managed to find one, are going to work.

01:12:04.840 You know, if you actually are a good person, you don't show up at the Uvalde mass school shooting and put yourself on camera and make it about you.

01:12:11.840 You don't see photo op when you see dead children, which she did.

01:12:17.360 Um, so spare us the attempt.

01:12:20.220 Okay.

01:12:20.360 It's a waste of everybody's time.

01:12:21.300 But secondly, like the gross disrespect to the intimacy and privacy of marriage and childbirth, you know, there are some moments that are supposed to be between a husband and a wife only.

01:12:36.580 And the moments before you give birth to your child is one of them.

01:12:40.540 When you are together in that room and your child is coming and maybe you do have a fun moment.

01:12:48.740 I don't, this is not how I spent my moments before giving birth, but maybe you do have a fun moment, but it's private.

01:12:55.680 It's actually holy.

01:12:57.740 And for her to need to make it into an ego trip, which she's clearly doing, look at me dancing, I'm still fun and I'm sexy and I have this great marriage.

01:13:09.980 And here's Harry being like a normal guy is, is disrespectful.

01:13:14.220 I think to the, to the moment, to the child and truly to like the sanctity of what goes on for any humans who are actually in that situation.

01:13:23.440 She just, she's drunk on her own ego. 1.00

01:13:28.900 Your thoughts.

01:13:30.940 My thoughts are, what did I just watch?

01:13:33.980 What was, what a bizarre, you've now ruined the entire vibe of the first hour, Megan.

01:13:39.740 I hope you realize what you've done.

01:13:41.900 My apologies.

01:13:42.540 I will never forgive you for such a thing.

01:13:45.040 It's funny because watching it is, you're right, like there's a, I mean, maybe a thought that they have a private moment like that.

01:13:51.520 And maybe it's nice between them and it's a nice memory of a silly moment before she gives birth.

01:13:57.620 What it feels like to me is she's in a P in a PR firm meeting and someone says, we need to humanize you.

01:14:05.500 Go through your phone, find some fun moments of you and Harry and we'll post them and everyone will like you again.

01:14:12.580 You can't manufacture that stuff, right?

01:14:15.040 It feels fake.

01:14:16.440 It feels weird.

01:14:17.720 I don't understand why they would think something like that would, would work, but it's, this is not a, these are not people who are just posting on a whim, right?

01:14:26.240 Like this is an entire industry.

01:14:28.100 It's calculated.

01:14:28.780 I know you've covered, yeah, you've covered this in depth.

01:14:32.340 This is a whole, this is a whole industry.

01:14:34.360 They've got people working on this 24 hours a day to try to make this, to make this, uh, Megan Markle thing into a thing. 1.00

01:14:40.360 I don't think it's been very successful so far, but I feel like this is just a blatant attempt at it.

01:14:46.220 It sort of reminds me of when Chrissy Teigen had what we now know was an abortion, which she at the time told us was a miscarriage and posted photos of her crying, like hysterical in the hospital room.

01:14:57.400 It was so weird.

01:14:59.120 First of all, who takes pictures of themselves when they're crying?

01:15:02.080 And then, and then post them online, especially after losing a baby.

01:15:08.800 Look, what the F, what, I don't get it.

01:15:12.240 This is not losing a baby, thank God, but it is just as intimate and none of our effing business, but she needs us to love her.

01:15:22.140 So she will do whatever it takes and she doesn't know how to make us love her. 1.00

01:15:25.980 The other thing I'm going to say, and I know this is weird, but there's one of those conspiracy theories on the internet that she might not have actually carried her babies, one or both, that they may have used a surrogate of, trust me, because I'm, I'm neck deep in all the news around these two.

01:15:40.580 And there are many people who long before today are convinced she used surrogates and that her pregnancies were fake, one or both of them.

01:15:48.180 And this is the only time that I've actually indulged the theory, because if we can show that video again, I don't know, can we show it without playing the weird sound?

01:15:59.640 That belly looks very abnormal, that it looks very strange.

01:16:05.240 If you look up close in the video and I encourage people, look at this.

01:16:08.880 It looks like there's like a bag or like some sort of something shoved up under a dress.

01:16:13.160 It does not look like a pregnant belly.

01:16:15.540 It looks all bumpy.

01:16:16.640 It's very strange.

01:16:18.180 It looks like what you'd get if you put like a pillowcase full of like socks or something under your dress.

01:16:25.280 You got to look up close.

01:16:26.700 There's very strange bumps coming off of that pregnant belly. 0.59

01:16:31.400 I don't know why, Stu, but for the first time ever, I'm kind of like, is, is this something we should be indulging?

01:16:38.940 Because it doesn't look normal to me.

01:16:41.840 The belly doesn't look normal.

01:16:43.120 It doesn't look like where a pregnant woman's belly is. 0.95

01:16:45.260 And I don't understand what all those bumps on the belly are.

01:16:48.200 I don't get it.

01:16:50.320 That's interesting.

01:16:51.080 Yeah.

01:16:51.220 It does look different, I guess.

01:16:54.180 I mean, I suppose it's possible that, you know, you know, I don't know.

01:16:58.280 I wasn't there.

01:16:59.480 But I will say I noticed the same thing you're noticing looking at it.

01:17:03.340 I mean, it's the first thing that I think kind of pops into your mind.

01:17:05.720 It's like, what?

01:17:07.200 What's what's going on?

01:17:08.100 Why is her stomach so bumpy?

01:17:09.880 Maybe they had some monitors on there, but normally you'd be they don't give you like remote monitors on your belly.

01:17:14.720 I've had three kids.

01:17:15.900 All the monitors they stick on you are connected to the thing that's right next to your hospital bed.

01:17:20.060 You know, she wasn't wired up at all.

01:17:21.680 I don't know what's going on under there.

01:17:23.560 I don't trust her.

01:17:24.940 And I wouldn't be surprised if she were pulling some sort of a subterfuge on us. 1.00

01:17:29.180 Let's face it.

01:17:30.320 It's not beyond her.

01:17:31.580 Yeah, well, I mean, I think she is kind of well known as a person who will kind of go to any lengths at this point to improve her image and to try to smooth all of these bumps out.

01:17:42.900 Not pointing to her belly, but to her PR situation.

01:17:47.080 And, you know, it's funny because I think in some ways it sort of connects to what we were talking about with Corinne Jean-Pierre.

01:17:51.740 It feels like that same type of effort, like this sort of desperate attempt to to paper over something that something else that's going on.

01:18:00.340 So I don't know.

01:18:01.000 I mean.

01:18:01.580 If you get to the bottom of that, that controversy, if you can just journalist your way to figuring out if that was fake or not.

01:18:08.820 I mean, Pulitzer, you've got the Pulitzer coming your way.

01:18:12.420 I don't think she faked her pregnancies like I realized that all reason and, you know, logic would dictate she she did get pregnant.

01:18:20.440 I mean, we know they have two kids, but the theory is that she had surrogates have them out of vanity. 1.00

01:18:25.200 But we did see her at various stages in the pregnancies. 0.99

01:18:27.560 I just that's the first time I've actually looked at her and said, holy shit. 0.98

01:18:30.920 What what am I wrong? 0.99

01:18:32.260 Because that that stomach does not look normal.

01:18:35.260 OK, Stubergeer, thank you for playing.

01:18:37.820 It's been quite an emotional journey for us.

01:18:39.560 I really appreciate you doing this with me.

01:18:41.220 It has.

01:18:42.480 You started me on such a high and now you're leaving me on a low.

01:18:45.200 I don't know how to feel about this.

01:18:46.440 Well, and like a question.

01:18:47.720 It's a question.

01:18:48.500 We had a low and then and then it was just a question, you know, like that little emoji that you can have on your iPhone with like the one spectacle in the eye looking up.

01:18:56.120 That's us right now.

01:18:56.840 We're there.

01:19:00.900 This is it.

01:19:01.580 This is the journey.

01:19:02.480 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:19:03.240 OK, up next.

01:19:05.320 So excited for Representative Brandon Gill.

01:19:08.160 Who's ever excited to talk to a member of Congress?

01:19:10.300 Let's be honest.

01:19:11.100 That's not normally what we do here for a reason. 0.98

01:19:13.600 But this guy is, as I referred to him before, a stone cold assassin of ridiculous leftists who get called before Congress. 0.95

01:19:24.440 Cannot wait to meet him. 0.96

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01:22:56.540 Let me take you back, all right, to back when I was at Fox News.

01:23:00.860 And what still I consider the best interview I've ever done.

01:23:05.060 I mean, it's just the greatest interview ever.

01:23:07.420 And it was with a guy named Bill Ayers, who was one of the founders of the Weather Underground, a domestic terrorist group, which was bombing the United States regularly.

01:23:16.640 I mean, it's crazy to think about.

01:23:18.140 They were.

01:23:19.280 It was a protest of the Vietnam War.

01:23:20.800 And they bombed a bunch of federal buildings in Washington, D.C.

01:23:25.660 They targeted the home of a judge, scaring his child to within an inch of his life.

01:23:31.600 We did an in-depth piece on them.

01:23:34.420 And ultimately, it was crazy.

01:23:36.880 We got Bill Ayers, this hard leftist out of Chicago.

01:23:41.320 Of course, he wound up in the university system.

01:23:42.780 To come into Fox News and sit down and be interviewed by yours truly.

01:23:47.680 Now, how did we do that?

01:23:49.140 It was a great backstory.

01:23:50.660 And it was because of my pal, Dinesh D'Souza, who I knew very well and whose movies I promoted whenever they came out on my shows on Fox News.

01:23:59.580 And Dinesh had interviewed Bill Ayers for one of his movies.

01:24:03.000 And he said, MK, I think I can get him for you.

01:24:05.160 I'm like, you go, guy.

01:24:06.520 Let's see if you can do that.

01:24:07.540 And he did it.

01:24:09.920 So Dinesh D'Souza is a mountain mover and a bit of a miracle worker.

01:24:15.040 And since I've left Fox and over the years, we've lost touch a little.

01:24:18.060 I had him on to promote 2,000 Mules when he dropped that movie.

01:24:21.800 But it's not like I see him as much as I did when we were both at Fox.

01:24:25.660 Well, it wasn't a huge surprise to me in some ways to learn that Dinesh's daughter,

01:24:33.180 who obviously was raised by a very smart, savvy man, married her own smart, savvy man.

01:24:41.120 And I found out that my number one hero in Congress, in the House, Brandon Gill, a representative from the great state of Texas, is her husband.

01:24:53.980 He's 31 years old.

01:24:55.420 He married Dinesh's daughter, only one of his many great decisions. 0.74

01:25:00.080 And he has become like a surgeon with these leftist liars who get called before Congress. 0.95

01:25:06.760 You know how these representatives, they always blow it. 0.97

01:25:09.180 They just bloviate.

01:25:10.680 And no one wants to hear them bloviate. 0.99

01:25:12.060 We don't even listen when they do these seven-minute speeches. 0.99

01:25:14.100 Shut up and ask them good questions. 0.97

01:25:15.840 Learn how to do it. 1.00

01:25:17.460 He's better than all of them.

01:25:19.820 He's high entertainment, and he will never lose when you see him up against anybody.

01:25:26.480 If he asks you something, he's got the receipt, so you might as well just roll over.

01:25:30.460 Who could forget, for example, his takedown of NPR's CEO about her insane past tweets about white superiority and reparations?

01:25:41.000 This was the moment we fell in love with Brandon Gill.

01:25:44.120 Here it is.

01:25:45.460 Do you believe that white people inherently feel superior to other races?

01:25:49.820 I do not.

01:25:50.660 You don't?

01:25:51.160 You tweeted something to that effect.

01:25:53.280 You said, I grew up feeling superior.

01:25:55.560 How white of me?

01:25:56.940 Why did you tweet that?

01:25:58.560 I think I was probably reflecting on what it was to grow up in an environment where I had lots of advantages.

01:26:05.840 It sounds like you're saying that white people feel superior.

01:26:09.000 I don't believe that anybody feels that way, sir.

01:26:11.820 I was just reflecting on my own experiences.

01:26:13.940 Do you think that white people should pay reparations? 0.62

01:26:16.320 I've never said that, sir.

01:26:18.220 Yes, you did.

01:26:19.080 You said it in January of 2020.

01:26:21.240 You tweeted, yes, the North.

01:26:23.000 Yes, all of us.

01:26:23.800 Yes, America.

01:26:25.040 Yes, our original collective sin and unpaid debt.

01:26:27.880 Yes, reparations.

01:26:29.100 Yes, on this day.

01:26:30.220 I don't believe that was a reference to fiscal reparations, sir.

01:26:33.260 What kind of reparations was it a reference to?

01:26:35.480 I think it was just a reference to the idea that we all owe much to the people who came before us.

01:26:41.940 Was it?

01:26:43.420 Brilliant.

01:26:44.300 Welcome to the show.

01:26:45.340 Representative, so nice to meet you.

01:26:46.620 Thanks for having me on.

01:26:49.340 Okay, so tell me everything.

01:26:50.580 Start it all.

01:26:51.220 How did you develop this great cross-examination style?

01:26:54.320 Because my understanding is you're not a lawyer.

01:26:57.500 I'm not a lawyer.

01:26:58.740 And, you know, you think of it as you've got five minutes with these people.

01:27:02.340 That's all you get.

01:27:03.160 And I'm a freshman, so I always go last, which means oftentimes all the good questions have been asked already.

01:27:10.220 So we have our team go through all the things that these people have said, that they've tweeted, that they've said in interviews or that they've written.

01:27:19.840 And we just ask them about it.

01:27:21.200 You know, whenever you have Catherine Marr, she has a long history of saying absurd, wild, outlandish things. 0.57

01:27:27.900 And I just wanted to simply ask her about it.

01:27:30.460 You know, your firm, NPR, receives millions of dollars every single year.

01:27:36.220 We're paying your salary.

01:27:37.920 I think it's fair for me to ask you about some of the crazy things you've said in the past.

01:27:41.500 And the funny thing about that hearing in particular is we could only get through a few of her tweets.

01:27:46.940 There's a whole lot more we wanted to get to, but just didn't have time.

01:27:50.960 Oh, it was the part where, you know, she's like, you're like, are you for reparations?

01:27:57.100 And she's like, no.

01:27:58.980 And you're like, you tweeted that you are.

01:28:00.800 And she's like, no, you said you read that book.

01:28:02.940 No, I never read that book.

01:28:03.840 You said I took the whole day off to sit at home reading the book.

01:28:06.540 It was so great.

01:28:07.960 So one of my questions for you is now that we've seen you time and time again, bring the receipts.

01:28:13.900 Like they know, they know if you're holding up this paper, you've got them.

01:28:17.720 You've proven you're careful.

01:28:19.040 Are you getting more compliance from the witnesses in rolling over earlier?

01:28:26.680 You know, I think that they know.

01:28:28.840 I've noticed in the hearings now you'll see the hostile witnesses, the ones the Democrats pick, kind of eyeing me before I go because they know something's coming at them now.

01:28:38.820 But, you know, so many of these people have never been questioned on the crazy things that they believe.

01:28:44.680 And, you know, Catherine Marr in particular, there was a time from about 2016 to 2022 or so whenever the Black Lives Matter movement really blossomed, whenever anti-racism was a really popular thing.

01:28:58.060 All of these far left movements were in vogue.

01:29:00.320 And all people like her had to do was just spout off these talking points, these nonsensical terms, you know, whiteness, cisgender mobility privilege, demeaning white men in particular.

01:29:14.080 And that's all it took for them to rise through the ranks of these utterly rotten left-wing institutions. 0.62

01:29:20.260 And now all of that is coming home to roost because the American people can see how deeply sick this stuff is.

01:29:27.320 And I think that we can't just let it pass.

01:29:29.580 We've got to hold these people accountable.

01:29:31.460 Yes, thank you for asking questions of them.

01:29:35.180 You know, like, you don't give them the floor, but you ask questions and get an answer and then impeach with a prior inconsistent statement.

01:29:41.720 It's beautiful.

01:29:42.440 It's what you learn how to do in law school when you're becoming a trial lawyer.

01:29:45.860 But you're not a trial lawyer.

01:29:47.380 You're the son of a rancher, right, in the Dallas area.

01:29:49.920 Tell us about your childhood.

01:29:51.960 That's right.

01:29:52.580 I grew up in a cattle ranch in West Texas outside of Abilene.

01:29:56.060 So grew up working cows, driving tractors and backhoes, building fence, doing everything you would expect to do on a thousand-acre cattle ranch. 0.97

01:30:05.300 Never became a lawyer.

01:30:07.140 I worked in finance for a little bit professionally and then started a conservative media business that I ran prior to running for office.

01:30:14.640 Never thought I'd be running this young at all, but had the opportunity and jumped in.

01:30:20.960 But, you know, it doesn't take a legal mind to expose these people.

01:30:25.860 All it takes is their own tweets, the things that they put out on their own.

01:30:31.440 And that's the crazy thing is that whenever you just ask them, you said you believe in reparations, do you?

01:30:37.280 Then I think they realize how nuts that is, and everybody else watching can see it, too. 0.99

01:30:42.340 Well, your other skill, obviously, given your background, is a lifetime of exposure to what actual bullshit looks like and smells like. 0.99

01:30:50.020 You learn firsthand, and you know it when you see and hear it. 0.97

01:30:53.560 Thank God for the rest of us.

01:30:54.800 So there was an exchange just yesterday that we also enjoyed.

01:30:58.300 This is the CEO of the National Council of Nonprofits.

01:31:02.900 Before we show this, why was she there?

01:31:04.860 What were you guys trying to dig into?

01:31:06.800 You know, we're digging into the NGO industrial complex.

01:31:10.260 This is a group of nonprofits and NGOs that receive hundreds of billions of dollars every single year at taxpayer expense.

01:31:18.940 And the Democrats brought this lady in, who's the head of a nonprofit sort of umbrella group that represents a whole lot of different charities. 0.89

01:31:27.280 Some receive tax dollars, some don't.

01:31:28.940 And they brought her in basically to make the case that all nonprofits are great.

01:31:34.360 They're, you know, building houses for the homeless and they're feeding the poor.

01:31:38.680 And the reality couldn't be further from the truth.

01:31:41.580 This woman was a far left activist who is masquerading as a nonpartisan, you know, nonprofit NGO person.

01:31:50.240 So we wanted to expose her as well and show that this is the person that the Democrats want to speak for their side of the aisle.

01:31:58.420 Okay, so her name is Diane Yentl, President and Chief Executive Officer of the National Council of Nonprofits.

01:32:07.180 Roll it.

01:32:08.080 SOT 31.

01:32:10.180 Are you a racist?

01:32:11.400 I'm not a racist.

01:32:12.800 You're not a racist.

01:32:14.860 Particularly interesting because according to one of your affiliate charities under your nonprofit umbrella,

01:32:22.500 denial of racism constitutes covert white supremacy. 0.93

01:32:26.620 Are you a covert white supremacist?

01:32:29.860 Sir, I'm here to talk about the essential work that nonprofits do. 0.95

01:32:33.000 Are you a covert white supremacist?

01:32:35.020 Can I talk about the work that nonprofits do? 0.99

01:32:36.780 No, I'm asking you if you're a covert white supremacist.

01:32:40.080 I am here to talk about the essential work that nonprofits do.

01:32:43.780 If you'd like to ask me a question.

01:32:44.860 I am utterly dumbfounded.

01:32:46.600 You are on record right now and you will not say that you are not a covert white supremacist?

01:32:52.100 I don't have a definition in front of me.

01:32:54.480 That is really, really astounding.

01:32:56.260 I can answer very directly that I am not a covert white supremacist.

01:33:00.140 And I imagine all of my colleagues can as well.

01:33:03.580 I think you ought to reevaluate what you're doing in the nonprofit sector.

01:33:09.740 What's so brilliant about it is like she could see you were laying the trap.

01:33:13.600 She could see that she kind of had to say she was a covert white supremacist if you followed her own logic.

01:33:20.400 Saying you're not a racist makes you a covert white supremacist.

01:33:23.820 And so she didn't want to give you the point that, aha, I am one.

01:33:28.140 And concede the error of her own logic.

01:33:30.560 So she just kept refusing to say it without thinking, why am I refusing to say this?

01:33:36.280 This is such a basic denial that I should give.

01:33:38.460 You know, I was a little dumbfounded during that hearing because it was so easy for her to just say no.

01:33:45.420 And I gave her like two or three minutes.

01:33:47.920 And I kept asking her, are you sure you want to answer that way?

01:33:51.380 Would you please?

01:33:52.120 I was basically begging her to tell everybody she was not a white supremacist. 0.93

01:33:56.260 And she just refused to do it because it's like either your logic was faulty or you're a white supremacist.

01:34:03.440 And she chose A or she chose B. 0.94

01:34:06.760 She chose B.

01:34:07.360 She was like, I'm fine leaving it out there that I might be a covert white supremacist.

01:34:11.320 I'm good with that.

01:34:11.900 It's just that's very clever.

01:34:14.040 That's very well done.

01:34:15.040 Now, I have read that your role model is Jim Jordan.

01:34:20.480 Is it true?

01:34:21.740 That is absolutely true.

01:34:23.200 I think he's been one of the most effective congressmen we've seen in a long time.

01:34:27.780 So he's great.

01:34:29.120 Trey Gowdy.

01:34:29.980 He also was amazing at it.

01:34:32.660 And honestly, like there's you three are just like in a very small class.

01:34:37.420 I'm sure there's a couple others who I'm forgetting.

01:34:38.780 But like, it's so rare that you actually enjoy a congressional hearing.

01:34:42.440 And as you point out, by the time they get to the last guy, you're done.

01:34:46.100 Everybody like, are you noticing better attendance at these things when you go?

01:34:49.780 Well, we've noticed that people are paying a lot more attention to these things.

01:34:54.800 You know, I don't make the rules that these leftists set up.

01:34:58.500 If if Democrats want to want to come up with the idea that everybody is either a racist or

01:35:03.820 a covert white supremacist, then let's hold them to the same standards as well.

01:35:08.420 I didn't make that rule, but they need to they need to hold to that as well, because they're

01:35:12.040 the ones who made it.

01:35:13.360 But I have noticed in the hearings more and more people showing up.

01:35:16.600 Talk to me about your your wife and your father-in-law.

01:35:20.680 Like, it's such a small world.

01:35:22.240 I love that you have this connection.

01:35:24.020 Did you and your wife meet in college?

01:35:27.160 We did.

01:35:27.960 We both met when we were in college at Dartmouth.

01:35:30.060 We met in a Christian student organization that we were both part of and and led through

01:35:35.500 college.

01:35:36.820 I met her whenever she's a year younger than I am.

01:35:39.580 And I I saw her at one of the events that we were hosting, thought she was beautiful,

01:35:44.720 asked her out on a date and then got friend zone.

01:35:47.920 So I was stuck in the friend zone for two years, but very persistent and and got out

01:35:54.080 of it.

01:35:54.420 And then we got married shortly after.

01:35:56.600 And when you got to know her dad, were you delighted?

01:36:00.680 Oh, this is sweet.

01:36:01.380 Here's your you down on one knee for listening audience in front of a beautiful fall background

01:36:05.920 in Lake.

01:36:07.100 Like, have you spent much time with Dinesh?

01:36:09.360 Do you know Dinesh?

01:36:10.160 Well, I don't know anything about, you know, how close their family is, but.

01:36:12.680 Oh, no, no, Dinesh.

01:36:14.560 Very well.

01:36:15.220 Talk to him regularly.

01:36:16.480 He's I would consider him sort of a political mentor of mine and a personal mentor as well.

01:36:22.760 He's a brilliant, brilliant guy.

01:36:24.760 Somebody that you can ask.

01:36:25.760 You can sit down with him.

01:36:27.120 You can ask him about any anything in history, anything in philosophy, anything about politics.

01:36:33.300 And if you're if you're willing to listen, he can talk.

01:36:35.800 He can lecture for an hour if you want to.

01:36:37.680 I mean, just encyclopedic mind about all of the things that we're working on now.

01:36:42.780 So we've got a great relationship.

01:36:44.560 It makes for particularly fascinating Christmas dinners with Danielle and me and Dinesh.

01:36:51.040 So did you because not many people will leave, you know, Wall Street and a hedge fund for

01:36:57.080 Congress before they've made a hundred million dollars, which I know you definitely didn't

01:37:03.320 do in your first couple of years.

01:37:04.520 So, I mean, it's a big sacrifice, you know, I realize some people get rich in Congress

01:37:09.460 like Nancy Pelosi, but your better bet was to stay on Wall Street.

01:37:13.600 So what made you leave?

01:37:16.700 You know, I was a part of some conservative student groups in college and we were sort of

01:37:21.100 the rabble rousers, very liberal campus, just sort of going against the grain.

01:37:25.480 And I loved it.

01:37:26.320 I loved being part of the political fight.

01:37:28.800 And as much as I love my time in finance, I wanted to get back into that fight.

01:37:33.140 And this was at a time whenever Joe Biden was president, the left seemed to really be ascendant

01:37:39.940 in every single way.

01:37:41.740 And I knew that we needed a media ecosystem that could push back against the mainstream

01:37:46.880 media narrative.

01:37:48.040 So I started a conservative media business to do that, to defend the president, to defend

01:37:52.840 good conservatives in Congress who were actually fighting back hard.

01:37:57.180 So I did that for several years.

01:37:59.580 This was right at the beginning of the Biden administration, whenever I started that.

01:38:05.480 Well, because you said you wanted to defend the president, which I doubt you wanted to

01:38:08.920 do when Biden was there.

01:38:09.080 To defend President Trump.

01:38:10.340 You're right.

01:38:11.060 To defend President Trump.

01:38:13.360 And I did that for several years and loved it.

01:38:17.160 And my wife and I live in Texas.

01:38:18.680 We live in a little town called Flower Mound.

01:38:21.180 And kind of unexpectedly, the sitting congressman announced that he was retiring totally out

01:38:27.900 of the blue.

01:38:28.840 And we realized that we wanted to make sure that we had good conservative representation.

01:38:33.440 And the way I see it is, in a district like mine that's very Republican, it's not good enough

01:38:38.880 anymore just to be a good vote.

01:38:40.980 We need people who are going to go into Washington and who are going to fight back hard and really

01:38:45.760 swing at the left, just as hard as they're swinging at us.

01:38:49.220 Because if we don't do that, we're going to lose.

01:38:51.820 And that's what I've sought to do.

01:38:52.700 You're becoming a star the old-fashioned way, just by being excellent, not by being an AOC 0.97

01:38:58.800 who's obsessed with posting videos of herself assembling her furniture.

01:39:03.580 It's like you're just actually being amazing.

01:39:06.040 And that's how we came to know you.

01:39:07.200 And I think that's how everybody has come to know you.

01:39:09.420 Have you been impressed with the high level of intellect and seriousness of your

01:39:15.140 colleagues in the house, left and right?

01:39:20.520 I have both been impressed and very disappointed at times as well.

01:39:27.140 You know, Washington is its own ecosystem.

01:39:30.140 It has its own vernacular.

01:39:32.880 It operates in a way that's very foreign, I think, to the way most of the people in this 0.67

01:39:38.280 country see the world.

01:39:39.720 And I think that that's a problem.

01:39:41.080 You know, I think that there's, for a long time, especially on our side of the aisle,

01:39:45.880 a disconnect between the way Washington approaches politics and the way our voters want us to

01:39:50.880 approach politics.

01:39:52.260 And one of those is that we've got to fight.

01:39:55.800 Everybody in this country, Republicans especially, can see our country being taken away from us,

01:40:01.540 whether it's open borders or boys and girls sports or seeing the left take over really every

01:40:07.120 single facet of civil society.

01:40:09.540 They're wondering what in the world are our representatives in Washington doing.

01:40:14.380 And that's the kind of fight that we've got to bring.

01:40:16.620 And that's what I what I hope to see become more normal in this town.

01:40:22.080 OK, I want to play one more on the subject of boys and girls sports.

01:40:24.700 When you had in the chairman of USA fencing.

01:40:27.900 And here's what happens.

01:40:29.260 Sat 34.

01:40:30.980 I'm just asking you, yes or no, do you think men should be allowed in women's locker rooms? 1.00

01:40:34.360 I don't have a personal opinion.

01:40:36.200 You don't have a person.

01:40:36.920 You have a personal opinion on a lot of things, but not on that.

01:40:40.580 Sure.

01:40:41.100 I mean, it's it's a locker room is not really an area where people interact.

01:40:44.600 So the answer is yes.

01:40:45.840 I don't think that men should be allowed to share showers with women in athletic facilities. 1.00

01:40:50.360 I think that showering is a private activity and that it should be private and it should be

01:40:56.420 private.

01:40:56.800 There's oftentimes communal showers.

01:40:58.280 Are you OK with men showering with women? 0.99

01:41:00.820 I don't have an opinion on that in the context of USA.

01:41:03.100 You don't.

01:41:03.740 Interesting.

01:41:04.140 That's a that's an astounding thing to not have an opinion on.

01:41:07.220 I think most normal people have an opinion on that.

01:41:11.220 It's so fun.

01:41:12.480 I got to ask you a question before you go.

01:41:14.560 A newsy question.

01:41:16.400 Seeing a bit of a war break out between Trump and Elon on the big, beautiful bill.

01:41:20.900 Elon is threatening Republicans who vote for it, suggesting he might even like come after

01:41:25.900 them politically.

01:41:27.340 On whose side do you fall?

01:41:28.880 You know, listen, this bill, there's there's always things you can do to make any piece

01:41:34.220 of legislation better.

01:41:35.780 And I agree with a lot of the things that Elon is saying.

01:41:38.960 But this bill delivers on so many of the promises that we made to voters, border security, military

01:41:44.740 funding, pushing back against the transgender nonsense. 1.00

01:41:48.080 I mean, this is in an extension of the Trump tax cuts, which would be huge for the economy.

01:41:53.480 So I think that this is a bill that we've got to get passed.

01:41:56.960 All right.

01:41:57.540 So you're team Trump, which will probably serve you well.

01:42:00.220 Brandon Gill, thank you so much for what you do and for being here.

01:42:02.880 Thanks for having me.

01:42:05.320 Wow.

01:42:05.840 It's so great.

01:42:06.640 So great to have somebody to root for in that body, is it not?

01:42:09.380 Okay.

01:42:09.900 We are back tomorrow with Ben Shapiro and Red Scare.

01:42:13.460 What a fun show for a Friday afternoon.

01:42:15.540 We will see you then.

01:42:18.300 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:42:20.440 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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Dems Attack Karine Jean-Pierre, Elon vs. Trump Explodes, Left Confronted with Own Words, with Stu Burguiere and Rep. Brandon Gill ｜ Ep. 1087

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