The Megyn Kelly Show - Dems Celebrate George Floyd on Memorial Day, and AOC 2028 Rumblings, with Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cooke ｜ Ep. 1325

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00:01:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.260 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:01:15.940 I hope you had a great Memorial Day and had a moment to pay tribute to our troops who have given the ultimate sacrifice and their families too.

00:01:24.640 Forget about the families, but when you meet them, boy, oh boy, you are reminded of how much the entire family gives when they have a man or woman in service in the armed forces who ultimately is killed.

00:01:37.900 I mean, it's just, we move on with our merry lives and we forget about them and we shouldn't.

00:01:42.940 And one way of remembering them would be to check out our Memorial Day special featuring Army Master Aviator Alan C. Mack.

00:01:49.620 It was an amazing conversation about why it's so important to honor our men and women in uniform who have fallen in service.

00:01:57.760 So you're not going to hear much of that from pop Democrats, that's for sure.

00:02:01.980 As yesterday, liberal politicians in Minnesota seem to only care about one thing, the death of one man and one man only, George Floyd.

00:02:09.800 It was really unbelievable.

00:02:10.860 There are public messages around death and dying yesterday on Memorial Day where they were not about our fallen troops. 0.98

00:02:17.560 They were about George fucking Floyd. 0.94

00:02:20.260 He died six years ago on Sunday after being arrested in Minneapolis on Memorial Day 2020. 0.95

00:02:26.700 The video showed Officer Derek Chauvin appearing to put his knee on Floyd's neck as Mr. Floyd

00:02:31.240 shouted out, I can't breathe.

00:02:33.280 There are still, however, major questions about his actual cause of death and exactly

00:02:37.820 where Chauvin's knee was and virtually everything around this case because we've been lied to

00:02:42.300 about it for quite some time.

00:02:43.420 The incident sparked days of protests and riots and supercharged the DEI movement that continues to infect our children in schools across this country, in the government, in all sorts of institutions in America that are only now in some cases being rolled back thanks to the Trump administration.

00:03:05.800 I mean, it's wonderful. You get these little updates like DEI. They've gotten rid of DEI here, there, this company, that, this university. Great. Where's the apology for all of the people you tortured for six years? All the students you didn't let in because they let in because they happen to be white or, God forbid, Asian. Right.

00:03:23.980 Where's your accountability for going so insane you violated federal civil rights laws for six years? 0.60

00:03:33.500 You thought the discrimination was better if it were just against whites. 0.79

00:03:37.740 Then it would be fine. 0.98

00:03:39.340 Then you would be noble.

00:03:41.400 It took Donald Trump to come in and strong arm these people off of these positions.

00:03:45.680 Not all of them.

00:03:46.440 Some are holding on.

00:03:47.540 And yesterday's tributes to George Floyd like he was Jesus underscore that the problem is not yet fully solved.

00:03:57.520 To many on the left, that one death was apparently more important than the hundreds of thousands of soldiers who have died for our country.

00:04:04.220 Exhibit A, the Minnesota governor and Kamala Harris's failed VP running mate, Tim Walsh.

00:04:10.480 Governor Walz posting on X yesterday, quote, six years ago today, George Floyd's murder started a global movement for change.

00:04:18.580 Let us continue working to build a society that lives up to its democratic ideals of liberty and justice for all.

00:04:28.700 Walz also paid a visit to George Floyd Square in Minneapolis yesterday dancing.

00:04:35.800 Watch this.

00:04:40.480 I don't know what that is, but it looks like somebody wearing handcuffs trying to chug a

00:04:59.780 beer. I'm sure that's not the proper tribute to anyone. I don't know. He's so happy. He's

00:05:09.560 in his glory, just like Kamala Harris, his old running mate. Whenever he's talking about race

00:05:13.600 and how bad white he is, that really gives him a Jones. He did release a brief Memorial Day

00:05:20.000 message on X, remembering, you know, our fallen troops. This guy wanted to be their commander.

00:05:25.800 Remember when he told us that he had made it all the way to the top of his unit and was a command

00:05:31.420 sergeant major? Those were lies. Remember, we were the ones who interviewed his former platoon mates

00:05:36.420 who were disgusted at his stolen valor.

00:05:38.740 Maybe there's a reason his mind is not so much on the troops,

00:05:42.000 but on George Floyd.

00:05:43.860 He also happened to have blown off

00:05:46.860 the nearby Fort Snelling Memorial Day program,

00:05:50.080 despite reportedly appearing on the program

00:05:51.860 as someone who had agreed to speak.

00:05:54.280 But hey, he was busy.

00:05:56.180 He was with his buds in George Floyd Square,

00:06:00.060 which there is such a thing.

00:06:02.640 Look, all you want, okay?

00:06:05.560 Look all you want.

00:06:06.420 At that video of the event, you will not find the governor at the place where nearly 200,000

00:06:11.480 veterans and their family members are buried. The old white guy was too busy busting a move

00:06:16.820 in George Floyd Square. Yeah. Is anyone surprised Mr. Stolen Valor didn't have time to go where

00:06:23.500 the actual troops who have served showed up to pay tribute to the fallen? He was too busy for

00:06:30.540 that. He went to the place where he actually feels like a hero. George Floyd Square tracks.

00:06:36.420 Let's check in with Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey. Remember back in 2020 when he was

00:06:41.760 run out of a protest for not being sufficiently anti-police. Remember this?

00:06:48.360 i mean who cares watching him but get humiliated can you imagine somebody doing that to you

00:07:09.400 imagine trump in that scenario where they tried to do that to him i'd like to see it

00:07:15.320 actually. I kind of would. Mayor Fry, he basically was leaving on figurative bended knee. I mean,

00:07:22.520 he was like, okay, got it. Super woke, but not woke enough. Have to go even hardcore woker.

00:07:29.180 And he was sure to make up for his failings just a few days later when he literally bent the knee

00:07:35.600 and sobbed before George Floyd's coffin. Remember him and his COVID mask sobbing

00:07:43.280 in front of George Floyd's, oh my God, what an idiot. He's sobbing. He is sobbing the way you'd 1.00

00:07:50.260 sob if this were a family member, like the heaving shoulders. Think about the number of people in

00:07:55.300 your life who could evoke that reaction from you by saying anything. I mean, it would absolutely

00:08:01.820 be a blood relative or a lifelong best friend. But what is this? Performance art. So Mayor Fry

00:08:08.340 yesterday put out a thread. This is his big opportunity. I mean, this is like, this actually

00:08:11.940 is his national holiday. He put out a thread of five posts on X about Floyd, reading in part that

00:08:18.920 Floyd's murder, quote, forced Minneapolis to confront painful truths about race, policing,

00:08:25.560 inequity and trust and demanded hard conversations and accountability. The weight of what happened

00:08:31.600 is still with our city six years later. And the responsibility to keep moving forward together

00:08:36.780 is two. He's really the Justin Trudeau of America. Two and a half hours later,

00:08:43.820 Fry, Fray, whatever, I don't care, put out one post for Memorial Day. Just one, I say.

00:08:49.720 One post. Not a five-post tweet thread, but one. And the official account for his city

00:08:57.940 was no better. Putting out a post at 11 a.m., calling on everyone, quote,

00:09:02.480 to gather, be with community, and honor George's life.

00:09:08.380 Got that out nice and early.

00:09:10.040 Let's get together and celebrate George.

00:09:12.080 Five hours later at 4 p.m. came the most generic Memorial Day post imaginable.

00:09:18.560 It just says Memorial Day with a flag.

00:09:22.660 Not even like, let's remember, in honor of.

00:09:26.920 They couldn't even manage those set-up words like they did for their George Floyd post. 0.94

00:09:30.660 It's ridiculous. 0.52

00:09:31.660 All of it shows you where their actual heart is. They're appealing to the same, I don't know, radical, insane people we watched for two months in Minneapolis harass and terrorize ICE agents. And there's news on that front today as well. 0.98

00:09:49.220 Joining me now to react to this and much more.

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00:11:03.940 Welcome back, Rich and Charlie. Great to have you.

00:11:06.540 How's it going?

00:11:07.420 Thanks for having us.

00:11:08.520 It's going.

00:11:09.340 This is like, it shows you their true feelings, right?

00:11:12.360 I mean, we're not surprised to see it, Rich, but it's the fervor.

00:11:16.100 The fervor is still alive and well.

00:11:19.020 Six years later, and I distinctly remember, I remember this so well.

00:11:22.880 I remember where I was listening to you guys on the editors in the wake of like the wokeification of America that happened after Floyd.

00:11:29.960 And you, one of your exit questions, Rich, was, you know, something to the effect of, will we still be dealing with this craziness in a couple of years? Or is this just temporary post-George Floyd? And I think most people thought it was temporary, but little did we know, like, I think you're right. I think it actually is temporary, but the temporariness of it, it has been sustained much longer than I think any of us anticipated. And it's just absurd.

00:11:57.580 Yeah, Tim Walz is the most painful, cringeworthy politician in America. There's nothing that he does that doesn't make you embarrassed for him, including this. And of course, they made George Floyd a secular saint a long time ago. If you know anything about his background or what happened in this case, he's a very unlikely candidate for such sainthood. But it drove this insanity in American life where he woke up the next day and every elite institution in America was woke suddenly.

00:12:24.000 Now, that tide has receded, but not entirely so. And then we also have this de-policing movement in cities across the country. That was an utter debacle, and not for privileged people, so-called, or most white people. It was a disaster for vulnerable minority communities.

00:12:39.960 Now, that trend has also receded with, thank God, really seeing a major wave of declines

00:12:45.840 in murder and violent crime throughout America, including in some places that you wouldn't

00:12:50.860 really expect.

00:12:51.720 San Francisco's gotten the message.

00:12:53.420 They've cracked down on car thefts that they were accepting as inevitable a year or two

00:12:59.460 ago.

00:12:59.840 Baltimore in April, I think, just had four homicides, the lowest since the current tracking

00:13:04.040 began in 1970.

00:13:06.340 So all that's good.

00:13:07.260 but this mind virus still exists. It's somewhat in remission. But if these people take power again,

00:13:13.640 you're going to see it making a comeback. Charlie, your take on it, because we saw this

00:13:20.260 in multiple blue cities as though George Floyd were George Washington. I mean, absolutely ignoring

00:13:28.840 who this guy actually was, the way he actually lived his life, and even the lies we've been told

00:13:34.420 about the condition he was in on the day of the actual encounter with Derek Chauvin,

00:13:40.060 where he said he couldn't breathe multiple times

00:13:43.860 before the officer even laid a finger on him.

00:13:47.240 We knew that he had enough fentanyl in him to kill a horse

00:13:51.340 prior to encountering Derek Chauvin,

00:13:54.080 all this stuff which has been whitewashed by people like Mayor Frye.

00:13:58.800 Well, I think it was a mass panic.

00:14:00.940 And even if George Floyd had been the greatest man who'd ever lived,

00:14:04.420 and had been killed, the consequences of that death would still not have been justified.

00:14:10.780 The insistence that unarmed African-American men are constantly being killed by police,

00:14:16.780 that's not true. And then the rejection of the 14th Amendment and the Civil Rights Act and the

00:14:21.840 words of the Declaration of Independence, which is really what wokeness is, would have been

00:14:27.260 unjustified as well. You know, that clip you showed of Mayor Fry being booed and having to

00:14:34.220 leave reminded me of when i covered occupy wall street and uh i was i was down there and they had

00:14:41.000 john lewis the civil rights hero as their guest and john lewis was going to make a speech

00:14:46.660 and someone started saying hang on a minute he's not better than us why should he be able to speak

00:14:54.040 there's a long line of people who want to speak and so john lewis after about 30 minutes had to

00:15:00.020 leave. They didn't let him speak. You can watch the video on YouTube. It's absolutely hilarious.

00:15:04.740 I mean, they have this guy who really did go through actual state violence, actual apartheid,

00:15:10.900 you know, an actual state that was rejecting the words of the declaration, who was violently

00:15:16.460 attacked. And he's there to talk. And they say, no, no, no, no, we're far too egalitarian to let

00:15:21.520 him speak, because that would imply that we're elevating him above us. And I think looking at

00:15:27.300 But, Jacob Fry, first off, you see how silly crowds can be.

00:15:31.000 But second, and the same is true of Tim Walsh, what I see in those videos, Megan, is Selma envy.

00:15:36.600 I see people who did not have to go through the things that the actual civil rights heroes in this country's history had to endure, but kind of wish they had.

00:15:47.140 And it is their moment.

00:15:49.360 They wish that they'd been there.

00:15:51.600 And so they're going to try and inflict it on the rest of us when thankfully, mercifully, we don't live in that country anymore.

00:15:58.920 You've got Sonny Hauston over at The View, Rich.

00:16:03.400 She brings this up in the context of the fund that Todd Blanch is forming over at DOJ to compensate people who have been the victim of lawfare.

00:16:13.860 And the left's big reaction to it has been, are you telling me that some people arrested on January 6th might get compensation out of this fund that hasn't been approved of Congress?

00:16:26.980 Well, we object.

00:16:28.820 I mean, it's not unusual for the DOJ to create funds and to compensate people who have been injured by the DOJ.

00:16:36.040 That's how Peter Strzok and Lisa Page got $2 million without congressional approval.

00:16:41.660 The size of the Trump fund is unusual.

00:16:44.160 It's over a billion dollars.

00:16:46.280 And so therefore, people on the left and the right think that we should have congressional

00:16:49.460 approval of that.

00:16:50.260 But in any event, that was the issue being discussed on The View.

00:16:53.680 And would you listen to where she took it in the context of this George Floyd debate?

00:16:59.440 Put it into terms that I would hope that folks on the right would understand is I remember

00:17:03.240 in 2020, Republicans were big mad that Kamala Harris tweeted out that people should give

00:17:08.520 money to the Minnesota Freedom Fund, which essentially offered cash bail for people who 1.00

00:17:13.280 participated in the Black Lives Matter protests. People were saying that's bailing out people who

00:17:17.680 destroyed property, who may have assaulted police officers. It was a very limited destruction of

00:17:23.340 property. It was a very significant rallying call on the right. And I do think it hurt Kamala

00:17:28.540 Harris's chances in 2020 in that election. We saw with our own eyes what happened at the Capitol,

00:17:32.620 but now they're going to get financial compensation. Make that make sense to me.

00:17:36.760 I just think we need to make it clear that there can be no comparison between the Black Lives Matter movement and what we saw on January 6th.

00:17:44.960 I just want to make that clear.

00:17:45.960 And that's not the suggestion.

00:17:47.440 I know that wasn't your suggestion, but, you know, people that watch our show take away different things.

00:17:54.660 I just want to make that part clear.

00:17:56.760 There were very limited destruction of property and violence during the uprising, the Black Lives Matter uprising. 0.96

00:18:04.900 that's a lie such a lie look all three of us are wide-eyed we all agree there should be no 0.87

00:18:11.900 comparison between those blm riots in january 6th none whatsoever but not because for the reason

00:18:16.700 that she would state it's because the blm riots dwarfed what happened on january 6th in size and

00:18:22.960 scale and injuries and property damage on every front every front we i had my team just pull some

00:18:29.100 stats blm the insurance industry estimates it exceeded one billion dollars in damage nationally

00:18:34.440 making it among the costliest civil unrest periods in U.S. history.

00:18:38.120 Damage to the Capitol on January 6th was in the millions.

00:18:41.320 Not a billion, not over a billion, in the millions.

00:18:44.600 Arrests, roughly 14,000-plus arrests were tied to the riots, the BLM riots.

00:18:49.680 January 6th, more than 1,400 people charged federally,

00:18:52.760 and we know that so many of those was a nothing.

00:18:55.040 They walked into the Capitol being waved in by a security officer,

00:18:58.200 only to then just walk out, and they wound up on a watch list and arrested.

00:19:01.140 But that's literally one-tenth the size of what the BLM arrests were.

00:19:06.660 Law enforcement, hundreds of officers injured during the unrest or on the BLM riots.

00:19:12.060 2,000 was the official estimate by the police union.

00:19:16.080 2,000 cops were hurt in those BLM riots.

00:19:19.300 About 140 Capitol and D.C. officers were injured during the January 6th riot.

00:19:23.740 OK, so it's not to excuse what happened to those cops, but there's just no comparison.

00:19:27.340 There were thousands of cops and at least one killed in the BLM riots.

00:19:32.500 The left will tell you people died on January 6th, but it's not true.

00:19:37.200 Only Ashley Babbitt was killed on January 6th.

00:19:39.720 And at least 25 deaths outside of cops were linked to the unrest and violence during the BLM riots.

00:19:45.960 Rich, there is no comparison.

00:19:48.160 She, this revisionist history of we need to remember them as peaceful and just this, you know, beautiful civil rights protest

00:19:55.440 that was enacted by lovers of George Floyd and freedom.

00:19:58.360 It's a lie.

00:19:59.440 Yeah, and it's also not revisionist in her terms, right?

00:20:01.760 This is what they said all along.

00:20:02.900 Things were burning down

00:20:03.720 and they're saying they're mostly peaceful

00:20:05.120 and don't worry, it's limited property damage.

00:20:07.640 Riots are always terrible, right?

00:20:10.320 Sometimes you hit the targets you mean to hit.

00:20:13.340 You burn down the police station or destroy a cop car.

00:20:16.000 That's bad enough.

00:20:17.100 But almost always you're burning down other things

00:20:19.700 and hurting other people and killing innocents, right?

00:20:21.920 You're burning down a convenience store or a gas station

00:20:24.240 had nothing to do with anything you're supposedly protesting. And if you look at the much bigger

00:20:30.320 riots in the 60s and the 70s, there's some cities, Detroit, Washington, D.C., who never really

00:20:34.800 recovered, right? And it's not the people in the suburbs who are suffering from that. It was the

00:20:39.040 most vulnerable people again, which is a common theme to these woke sort of policies. They end

00:20:44.000 up hurting the people they're supposedly in favor of and trying to support. And then she also calls

00:20:49.680 it an uprising, which I think is actually a correct characterization if you get into technically,

00:20:56.160 to get into it technically. But she means it as a positive connotation. It's a justified

00:21:02.080 revolution against an illegitimate authority, the law enforcement system of the United States,

00:21:09.040 because it's inherently racist. And that's the lie that undergirds all of this.

00:21:14.000 very very limited destruction of property she says just as one example charlie we pulled this

00:21:21.640 is from alpha news and its documentary very good right-leaning uh news outlet in minnesota um they

00:21:28.040 did a very good documentary on the death of george floyd and derek chauvin very good if you haven't

00:21:33.180 seen it highly recommend um but here's just one soundbite from the documentary on the burning

00:21:39.360 of the police station. This is just one city in one night of the ongoing riots we saw.

00:21:46.840 So I get a command over the radio that we need to evacuate the third precinct.

00:21:50.880 Evacuate now. Evacuate now.

00:21:52.860 I said, like, right now?

00:21:55.260 We have to evacuate right now.

00:21:57.980 And they said, yes, immediately.

00:22:01.280 We run.

00:22:02.000 We run with our belts on and 50-some people and three SWAT teams, and we get to the fence.

00:22:12.120 We can't get out.

00:22:15.160 There was only one way in and one way out, and the way out was locked.

00:22:18.780 One of the squads rams through the fence to get it open.

00:22:32.000 I remember looking through the rear view mirror as we left.

00:22:39.720 It looked like a zombie movie.

00:22:42.180 They all just rushed to the fence and started climbing the fence,

00:22:46.500 and they caused the fences to collapse,

00:22:48.740 and then they just all rushed the precinct.

00:22:51.100 But as I got maybe a quarter block away,

00:22:53.560 I realized that not everyone was in vehicles.

00:22:56.680 They were running, basically, for their lives at that point.

00:22:59.880 just you know i'm going to show another video charlie but you know just minimum just and this

00:23:06.080 is from the crowd that lectures us at every turn about how history is real history is important

00:23:12.460 we need to teach it in the schools so that the children understand slavery and jim crow but i

00:23:18.340 guess they don't need to understand what actually went down in the blm summer of 2020 no i mean like

00:23:24.320 i don't want to downplay january 6th it was a disaster and i think trump should have been

00:23:28.720 impeached and convicted. And I'm quite happy going after the people who did it. But it was

00:23:33.320 a small relative to 2020. And B, it was actually unusual for the right. Conservatives normally,

00:23:42.480 they did their conservatives normally don't do that sort of thing. Whereas if you go back to

00:23:48.140 what happened in 2020, this is where I find it the most annoying. They really have it both ways.

00:23:54.160 On the one hand, they now say, well, it wasn't much damage or, well, it was just limited violence.

00:24:01.980 It was a peaceful uprising.

00:24:04.140 On the other hand, if you go back, they were saying, you know, violence is the language of the unheard.

00:24:09.700 And they would say, well, it doesn't matter.

00:24:12.400 This was a big argument at the time.

00:24:13.600 They would say it doesn't matter because all of those stores that they were looting and burning have insurance.

00:24:19.660 and they would say in some cases why are you so opposed to it when you love the American

00:24:26.520 revolution there's a very very big gap between this is like the American revolution and there

00:24:32.680 wasn't much violence and I think this is a progressive advantage in our politics is they

00:24:38.360 never ever stop litigating things that have happened you want to see a progressive do this

00:24:44.880 Ask them about the 2000 election, Bush v. Gore. They're still adamant that Gore won that election, which he didn't. But they do it more than we do. And that line is going to be said over and over and over and over again. And unfortunately, a lot of people are going to believe it. It's not true.

00:25:00.940 I think that was the most damage ever done in any riots in American history.

00:25:05.580 It wasn't that it was the single riot that caused the most damage, because as Rich says, there were big city riots in the 60s.

00:25:12.880 But I think collectively, the what you might call George Floyd riots, I think, did more damage than any other sort of moment or political season in the history of the United States.

00:25:24.580 So to say that on television.

00:25:25.920 So not very limited, very limited destruction of property, as Sonny Hostin would say.

00:25:32.160 No, it wasn't. And it's again, it's you said this at the beginning, there's never been any

00:25:37.620 accounting for what happened. You know, I wasn't involved in January 6. I was appalled by it. But

00:25:42.560 I'm quite happy to sit here and say, yeah, that was really bad. I think there should have been

00:25:45.960 more consequences. They will not apologize. They won't apologize for trying to defund the police.

00:25:52.480 They've forgotten that they did that, which, by the way, mostly affects African-Americans and poor people.

00:25:56.900 They won't apologize for trying to destroy our national creed, which they really did try to do by insisting that discrimination is good if it runs in one direction,

00:26:09.480 by insisting there's been no change in America since the 1860s, by pretending that the average cop is going out there with the hope of killing or hurting minorities.

00:26:19.340 They won't apologize for egging on, and they did that as well, the rioters, and they won't

00:26:25.080 apologize for destroying faith in public health, which they did, if you remember, by saying,

00:26:31.340 stay in your home, stay in your home, stay in your home, stay in your homes.

00:26:33.620 Oh, but actually, if you want to go out and riot, that's fine, because it's more of a

00:26:37.760 public health crisis.

00:26:38.500 It's a public health emergency.

00:26:39.940 And I just, it makes me crazy, because I feel as if they want to just move on from it as

00:26:45.460 if it never happened, or even rewrite it.

00:26:47.040 And it was actually a huge moment in American history.

00:26:51.520 And it could easily happen again.

00:26:53.540 You know, at least on January 6th, we know that there was some amount of feds present.

00:26:59.340 There was some instigation.

00:27:01.140 I've talked to reporters who were there covering it myself by some of those people toward the January 6th protesters.

00:27:07.260 I'm not saying all of them were incensed by that.

00:27:09.240 Some of them just behaved terribly. 0.95

00:27:11.420 But at least we know that like at the BLM riots, that was organic.

00:27:14.460 That was that was like, well, it was George Soros funded and all that.

00:27:18.180 But I mean, leftist planned and organic rage as opposed to, you know, right wingers who

00:27:25.260 are there trying to make left wingers look bad.

00:27:27.480 That's not what happened.

00:27:28.420 Yeah.

00:27:28.660 And it went beyond it was property damage.

00:27:30.560 It was murder.

00:27:31.660 It was injuries to cops actually throwing bricks at cops heads.

00:27:35.780 We saw that down in Baltimore.

00:27:37.440 You mentioned the murder rate in Baltimore right now.

00:27:39.400 Those cops got completely harassed down there.

00:27:41.420 I remember that one that night.

00:27:43.000 Not to mention the absurd raise your fist.

00:27:46.600 We pulled some video of one couple getting harassed in Pittsburgh as BLM terrorized a white couple. 0.52

00:27:52.880 Watch this.

00:28:13.000 They're confronting a white couple at the table.

00:28:23.840 They're drinking their drinks.

00:28:36.680 They knocked the drink over and put a fist in the air.

00:28:39.240 We all saw the videos, too, of them making people say BLM.

00:28:42.380 Say it. Say it. You know, the harassment. I know we're spending a lot of time on Sonny Hostin, Rich, but this is a leftist narrative that we cannot let stand. The BLM riots were terror. It was domestic terror that was unleashed on the streets of America for months. Not in all cases. I personally watched a BLM demonstration on the Upper West Side that was totally peaceful. I did. It was fine. It was normal Americans who were upset about what they'd seen on that tape, and they got together and protested.

00:29:11.620 That's fine. That's their right. That's as American as apple pie. But you and I both know that the vast majority of what we saw in the summer of George Floyd of Palooza was anti-American. It was riotous. It was criminal. It was illegal. It was harassing. It was burning. It was looting. And it was setting black people up for more death and murder, which has been documented.

00:29:31.500 Spent two minutes talking to Heather McDonald. She can walk you through precinct by precinct what happened with policing and what happened in poor black neighborhoods as a result of the drawback. 0.97

00:29:40.420 We've interviewed people on this show, black members of these communities who saw crime skyrocket as a result of the cops pulling back.

00:29:49.400 And she, Sonny Hauston, who might be whiter than I am in attitude, et cetera.

00:29:56.260 And she's got millions.

00:29:58.320 Her son went to Harvard. 0.99

00:29:59.740 She's still bitching about how hard he has it and how like everybody in their white neighborhood wants to kill him. 0.98

00:30:05.320 Sure, they do. 0.99

00:30:06.020 Sure.

00:30:06.740 Wants to go out there and minimize it down to a nothing.

00:30:10.040 Because she didn't feel anything in Westchester, Rich.

00:30:12.520 You know, she did.

00:30:13.080 It was fine.

00:30:13.820 You know, she was like me on the Upper West Side where we saw like a nice protest. 0.55

00:30:16.940 She didn't have to deal with it because she's not actually living the black experience of the people I've put on this show. 0.92

00:30:23.020 You guys have interviewed at National Review who had a loved one killed or endangered as a result of the insanity she helped unleash. 0.77

00:30:30.400 Yeah, so that harassing behavior that you're showing, that's classic revolutionary totalitarian fervor.

00:30:36.780 You see the same thing in the French Revolution or in the Cultural Revolution in China.

00:30:41.800 It's not enough for you just to walk away or mind your own business or eat your brunch.

00:30:45.620 you have to become a believer. Now, because this scheme of things is a relatively small-scale

00:30:51.460 movement and we live in a lawful and liberal society, they weren't guillotining or stoning

00:30:55.720 people afterwards if they didn't go along. But that's the logic that we've seen in other parts

00:31:01.080 of the world over and over again. And the de-policing, you had cops quitting, you had

00:31:06.520 jurisdictions reducing the number of cops, and you had cops not going to the hotspots, which they

00:31:11.900 need to do. Cops need to go and interact with dangerous people. And in most cities in the 0.51

00:31:16.780 country, the vast majority of violent crime is driven by a small number of offenders who've

00:31:23.200 already committed crimes and already known to the authorities. You need to go and get them and

00:31:29.460 arrest them and deter them. And you do that, you have a much safer place. If you don't, you have

00:31:34.180 a debacle. And the years after this, we had a debacle that was a deliberate and foreseeable

00:31:40.400 outcome of these moronic policies. We had all these newspaper headlines defending looting. 0.92

00:31:48.680 There was a book in defense of looting, like looting was good. Property destruction was great.

00:31:54.480 Burning down cop stations was fine. Hurting cops, no problem. It's just it's absolutely absurd that

00:32:00.800 George Floyd's death should not be marked at all. It shouldn't be a touchpoint for anything

00:32:08.240 other than a reminder of how badly we allowed certain groups to behave in this country without

00:32:15.340 throwing the book at all of them. It was a revolving door through the police stations that

00:32:18.920 remained standing as they got away with slaps on the wrist and would start an era in earnest of

00:32:24.420 policing that allowed revolving doors. You know, it was really the Ferguson effect that started

00:32:29.020 that Ferguson, Missouri back years earlier, but, but this, this took it, you know, times 10. So

00:32:35.840 no, we will not be doing revisionist history on George Floyd and what happened with BLM and the

00:32:41.140 riots. A related, I don't know, it's kind of related, it feels related, story in the news

00:32:48.520 today is what's happening in Minneapolis and Minnesota. Sorry, no, in New Jersey. In New

00:32:56.840 Jersey with, well, there's a couple. I'm kind of confusing my stories because they're both

00:33:00.600 reminding me of it. In New Jersey, we had lawmakers at an ICE facility trying to storm it,

00:33:06.520 trying to get their moment on camera. And the nonsense is starting up again. Let me stay there

00:33:14.500 and then I'll go back to Minnesota on what's happening. But it was at a place called Delaney

00:33:19.020 Hall where we had ICE protests. And it seems like to me, this is my headline, you guys tell me what

00:33:24.640 you think, the Democrats are looking for another Minneapolis. They want the unrest of February and

00:33:30.400 March that we saw there when we were cracking down on illegal immigrants, they're itching to 1.00

00:33:35.880 make it start back up again because they know it's good for them. And I mean, I think there's 1.00

00:33:41.420 some sincerity to their outrage over the fact that we've got some of these illegal migrants locked 0.99

00:33:45.940 up. So what happened yesterday was at this ICE detention facility in Newark, New Jersey,

00:33:51.900 the new governor, female Mikey, Mikey Sherrill, was denied access to the complex. All right,

00:33:58.020 So now why does the governor go to an ICE complex? 1.00

00:34:00.460 She's looking for her moment. 1.00

00:34:02.240 You know, she wants her moment on cam,

00:34:05.020 her AOC moment in the white pantsuit, maybe, Charlie.

00:34:08.840 And they don't just open the doors and let her in.

00:34:13.940 So then we start to get a bunch of protesters there

00:34:16.720 because word has gotten out that the prisoners inside

00:34:19.180 are having a hunger strike

00:34:20.400 in response to allegedly terrible conditions.

00:34:23.180 They claim that there are absolutely disgusting things

00:34:26.580 happening inside, like worms in their meals, crowded in non-air-conditioned rooms, and so on.

00:34:35.260 The Department of Homeland Security, Mark Wayne Mullen, chief, says there is no hunger strike

00:34:39.420 happening. There is nothing more than a political stunt by the New Jersey sanctuary politicians

00:34:43.940 for fundraising cliques, and there are no subprime conditions whatsoever that these are all lies

00:34:50.440 for attention either by leftists or the inmates or both. So she went and then we had protesters

00:34:57.760 outside. And then we had Senator Andy Kim, who's a Democrat from New Jersey, show up there.

00:35:04.540 And the left is going nuts with this imagery because he tried to put himself in between

00:35:08.560 law enforcement and the protesters and tried to deescalate. He says he was trying to deescalate

00:35:16.340 the tactical teams versus the immigrant advocates. And they weren't having it. And he wound up

00:35:25.180 getting some crossfire from some pepper spray. And there's video now of them spraying his eyes

00:35:32.000 with water to try to relieve him. He's outraged. They're all outraged. You tell me what you make

00:35:37.340 of whether this is happening organically or whether the Democrats have decided they're kind

00:35:42.760 of tired of being quiet and letting the Republicans hurt themselves and engage in the circular

00:35:47.220 firing squad we've all been in for the past six months.

00:35:50.180 And they'd really like some headlines of their own again.

00:35:53.840 Well, I think it's organic.

00:35:55.580 There's probably a large element of organic nature to it because they hate ICE and they

00:36:00.140 believe the lies about ICE, that ICE is an American Gestapo.

00:36:03.940 Now, it's often asked, we'll see these stories about people picked up and detained by ICE

00:36:08.180 and they end up at a facility in Texas or Louisiana, even if they're picked up in the

00:36:12.060 Northeast and people are like, this is so terrible. Why are you transporting them across several

00:36:16.120 states? It's because those states, one, actually don't obstruct these kind of facilities. And two,

00:36:22.040 you typically don't see these kind of protests outside these sort of facilities. So maybe bad

00:36:26.560 things are happening there. I don't know. Maybe there are worms in the-

00:36:29.360 Andy's in that video in the soup, by the way. Sorry.

00:36:31.420 Maybe something bad's happening there. But the ICE has very specific standards for

00:36:37.240 They are extensively overseen by all sorts of House and Senate committees, five or six

00:36:45.860 in the GAO.

00:36:47.160 So it's very unlikely that these horror stories are happening, but they want to believe these

00:36:52.900 protesters that these are gulag type facilities and they do not deserve to exist and they

00:36:59.100 should be shut down.

00:37:00.840 And if you're a senator and you become part of the mob, we haven't seen video of the actual

00:37:05.860 tear gassing, but if you're getting in the way there between a mob and law enforcement

00:37:12.100 officials who want to move people out, you might get tear gassed, right?

00:37:15.800 That's on you.

00:37:16.800 It's not on them.

00:37:17.800 What do you think is going to happen?

00:37:18.800 Yeah, it's kind of a classic op where you become part of the mob and then you're shoved

00:37:23.100 or they yell at you or you get tear gassed and you're like, oh my God, look what they

00:37:27.140 did to me as a sitting U.S. senator.

00:37:29.860 Yeah.

00:37:30.860 It's a classic play.

00:37:31.860 But you're right, Megan.

00:37:32.860 Yeah, we're no longer, ICE is no longer picking them up in Minnesota, but the fight has moved to this different realm now.

00:37:40.500 They clearly wanted the headline. 1.00

00:37:42.200 To me, this would make more sense, Charlie, if it were like Abigail Spanberger, who has ruined Virginia in just a matter of a couple of months and has already terrible poll numbers as a result of going far left, which she's far more radical than she led the Commonwealth voters to believe.

00:37:59.380 But like New Jersey, Mikey Sherrill was part of that same little trio that got elected in the statehouse races last election cycle. 0.94

00:38:08.780 And she also promised to be more moderate.

00:38:12.160 You remember, she was in a very tight race there with the Republican.

00:38:15.380 So I don't totally understand what she's doing.

00:38:18.800 Let me just give you a little soundbite of her along with Senator Andy Kim together on site there before the alleged pepper spray incident. 0.99

00:38:28.920 This type of facility shows exactly why we should not have private mass detention facilities.

00:38:33.800 They were raising not just concerns about the conditions, but about how they are intentionally not being given access to the courts, that this is a farce of a system.

00:38:44.900 Your thoughts on it?

00:38:46.220 I have a lot of thoughts on it.

00:38:48.080 The distinction that I have drawn right from the beginning of this is between people who have specific criticisms, which is fine, this is a free country, and people who don't believe in the enforcement of law at all and or are trying to block it, which is, I think, what we saw in Minnesota.

00:39:05.820 I'm happy to talk to people about what our immigration policy should be or how ICE should

00:39:11.620 behave. But if you are of the view that ICE is per se illegitimate because all immigration

00:39:16.000 enforcement is illegitimate, and you're going to try to kick out ICE from your locality,

00:39:23.140 then we don't have much to talk about because you are repudiating our constitutional order.

00:39:30.220 Now, I don't think that Andy Kim is doing that. I do think that he went down there to get

00:39:34.840 pepper sprayed. And I think this is a growing problem. This is true on the right as well. This

00:39:38.980 is not purely a Democrat problem of politicians behaving more like activists, preferring to be

00:39:45.520 activists, forgetting that they are lawmakers, and they are part of the machinery and ought to use

00:39:53.140 their influence within it. So I think that distinction has to be drawn. You know, Rich

00:40:00.540 mentioned these complaints that people are moved around across the country. That's a perfect, 1.00

00:40:05.140 it sounds a bit specific, but that's a perfect example of how silly some of these objections 0.91

00:40:11.600 have become. It might sound to people as if that's somehow sinister. ICE is a federal organization.

00:40:18.520 Immigration is a federal question. Of course, people are moved around the country. I live in

00:40:23.180 Florida. I file my business taxes in Utah. Where was Timothy McVeigh sent after he was in Colorado?

00:40:28.900 this is how the federal government works it moves people around there's nothing sinister about that

00:40:34.360 and the reason i bring that up is just because it's another good example they did it with carl

00:40:38.400 rittenhouse as well by the way he crossed state lines as if people aren't allowed to do that

00:40:42.000 this is another good example um of how what should be quite a straightforward policy debate

00:40:48.400 which again i'm open to uh is is elevated up into something that it's simply not and then you end up

00:40:55.400 with ICE being cast as the Nazis, when they're a federal law enforcement agency that is enforcing

00:41:02.940 a federal law that's been on the books for a very long time, and that by all accounts was ratified

00:41:08.300 pretty emphatically in 2024, where immigration was a huge issue. So I just find it so difficult

00:41:15.160 to talk to people in the Andy Kim mode about this topic, because they're not really complaining

00:41:21.920 about the specifics they're rejecting the very notion of immigration enforcement per se and once

00:41:27.660 they do that i just don't have much to say back yeah so the and and the irony is rich they kind

00:41:33.120 of won this fight they can't unfortunately they they already won this i had greg bovino on the

00:41:39.720 program um just a couple weeks ago and he was he's the ousted uh top one of the top dogs at customs

00:41:47.360 and Border Patrol and he protection. And he was saying there's really no question that the Hohman

00:41:53.840 and I love Tom Hohman, but he's definitely representing more of the worst, not just first,

00:42:01.260 but kind of worst only policy that the Trump administration has retreated to in the wake of

00:42:06.020 the PR debacle in Minneapolis. Those crazy blue haired ladies got their way. You know, Trump did 1.00

00:42:11.800 take his foot off the accelerator. I get why his poll numbers were precipitously falling. The public

00:42:17.080 did not approve of what they were seeing, the death of Alex Preddy and the other woman and

00:42:22.620 enabling media and so on, all just created a political firestorm for the president.

00:42:26.780 And we've eased up. So like, I'm not sure what the Democrats are doing other than

00:42:31.400 they need another hit off the needle. It felt so good.

00:42:34.320 Yeah, I think there are two things. One, the Holman approach, as I understand it,

00:42:37.820 in theory would be you let up on the very visible presence in cities and picking people up

00:42:44.400 in a public way, which is kind of what Bovino was involved in. Let's kind of scare everyone

00:42:49.780 and get a lot of legal immigrants to go home. There's something to be said for that approach 1.00

00:42:52.980 as well. But Holman also wanted worksite enforcement, major workplace enforcement.

00:42:58.660 He's been telling people at events and privately, this is coming. It hasn't come yet. So I think

00:43:04.500 his approach would be a sounder one if you're actually doing it. But we haven't seen that in

00:43:09.100 part because Trump's ambiguous at best about worksite enforcement. And then two, what Democrats

00:43:14.380 are up to, the end of the day, they just consider immigration enforcement illegitimate. So you see

00:43:18.960 this cascade where they oppose the public operation in Minneapolis, that ends. Then they

00:43:25.800 oppose the detention. We know nothing about how these people were picked up. It doesn't matter

00:43:29.620 to them. They're just being detained, and that's wrong. And then if they could, again, they'd work

00:43:33.640 their way all the way down to, let's not enforce the border, and they'd protest that as well,

00:43:37.840 because they don't consider it illegitimate.

00:43:39.520 I think they don't consider it illegitimate,

00:43:41.480 and this is an underestimated aspect of politics.

00:43:44.840 People do things, by and large, shockingly,

00:43:48.020 because they think it's the right thing,

00:43:49.780 and they think it is moral to let anyone

00:43:52.820 who comes in the country and claims asylum

00:43:54.900 into the country. 0.99

00:43:56.240 They think it's the right thing to do.

00:43:57.900 At the end of the day, that's why Joe Biden did it.

00:44:00.500 If he didn't think it was the right thing to do,

00:44:01.920 the groups pushing him to do it

00:44:03.420 thought it was the right thing to do

00:44:04.800 because they have this righteous belief

00:44:07.480 that borders, end of the day, they shouldn't exist. Or if they do exist, they should basically

00:44:12.280 be a line in the map and a suggestion not to come into the country, not a barrier to coming in the

00:44:17.460 country. And that's still driving them. So they've been pushed back on all this stuff, Megan. This is

00:44:21.680 a connection to George Floyd. It's not at the extreme high tide it was, any of this, but you

00:44:27.180 can see it's still there. And if they get unified control in Washington in 2028, they're going to

00:44:31.740 try to bring it back with a vengeance. Well, speaking of Democrats making dumb moves, 0.95

00:44:39.860 Kamala Harris is back in the news. Charlie's favorite. This is who he loves. He misses her 0.97

00:44:44.200 desperately. And I'm happy to tell you, you might be getting a whole lot more of her.

00:44:47.520 There was an in-depth piece in Vanity Fair, and the title of it is Who Wants Kamala Harris to Run?

00:44:54.480 in response to which I thought, I do. I definitely do. I do not speak for Charlie,

00:45:00.720 but I definitely do. It starts with a great quote by James Carville. It's written by Aidan

00:45:06.820 McLaughlin, who writes, quitting the endless campaign is easier said than done. When Al Gore

00:45:11.500 was in the same position as Kamala Harris, James Carville quipped that running for president is 0.99

00:45:16.060 like sex. You don't do it once and forget about it. He writes that she drew 75 million votes in 0.86

00:45:23.360 2024. This is why she might have a case for running. The most of any runner up in history. 0.99

00:45:27.780 She holds a double digit lead in some early primary polls. Her book was a smashing success,

00:45:32.680 selling half a million copies in its first week. The extension of her book tour was not forced

00:45:37.680 either. She's drawing sold out crowds and she's proven a popular voice on social media, he writes,

00:45:42.660 where a recent TikTok video excoriating the Supreme Court decision on voting rights drew

00:45:46.020 more than 19 million views. According to multiple sources close to the former vice president,

00:45:51.060 she remains undecided but is strongly considering another run quote people around her are pushing

00:45:55.220 her to run says the person who's spoken with her she seemed inclined to seriously entertain it

00:46:00.220 i'll get you to weigh in before i get to part two of his piece which begins as follows i spoke with

00:46:06.800 more than two dozen harris campaign staffers former white house aides elected officials

00:46:10.000 political ops and big dollar donors for this piece aside from her own close advisors none

00:46:15.080 spoke enthusiastically about a harris 2028 campaign some after praising harris on the record

00:46:21.540 asked to speak on background to give more candid opinions about her political future

00:46:26.580 so there's what they're saying on the record of vanity fair and then there's what they're saying

00:46:31.740 in order to try to guide the piece to get her not to do it charles which tells us what

00:46:36.420 uh well which tells us that they think she might lose i mean if she were to run again and become

00:46:44.960 the nominee, we really would be in a new era. One of the things that is so interesting about

00:46:49.660 American history before about the 1950s is you do get a lot of characters who lose a general

00:46:55.400 election and then come back. You know, Adlai Stevenson ran twice in the 50s. William James

00:47:01.580 Bryan ran three times in the late 19th century. And that just stops at some point, you know, 60

00:47:08.260 or 70 years ago. But if she were to come back and be the nominee, then we'd have had Trump who lost

00:47:13.180 election in 2020, and then came back and won in his case. And then we'd have Kamala Harris. So I 1.00

00:47:19.540 think the last person who did that was Richard Nixon, who lost in 1960 and won in 1968. But

00:47:25.500 that was uncommon. I don't think it's going to happen. As you can hear, I'm quite interested.

00:47:32.000 The running? 0.70

00:47:32.780 I think she's going to run, but I don't think she's going to win the nomination. And as you can hear,

00:47:36.540 I'm quite interested by this sort of history side of it. But I just don't think that that's going

00:47:41.480 to happen um i think once again she is incapable of seeing how she comes across i think that's been

00:47:49.660 a problem for her her entire career i i'm slightly also incapable megan of judging her uh fairly

00:47:55.780 because i hate her and uh i think she's the worst person in american life um but uh if you look at 1.00

00:48:03.300 the last election um she she really did fall on her face and the new narrative is that she was

00:48:10.320 let down by joe biden in fact there was a piece yeah uh that used the word they said uh biden

00:48:16.660 effed her i think this was twice in the piece biden and i'll be perfectly honest when i first

00:48:21.540 read that i thought now well that is a scandal until i realized the context and they meant

00:48:26.560 politically i'm serious i was i was completely shocked by this i've been away for a week and i

00:48:31.560 thought wow i've missed i've missed a scandal um i'm not sure that's true i mean i think that

00:48:37.020 biden didn't do her any favors i think it was very difficult for a vice president running uh

00:48:41.180 uh you know to to to uh separate herself out from from joe biden i also just think that she's not

00:48:48.620 particularly good at it and it wasn't the case that oh she had to to throw in at the last minute

00:48:53.520 and that she didn't have enough time she was doing much better at the beginning the more time went on

00:48:58.000 uh people began to uh to shift from her and realize what she was so i i do think she's 0.67

00:49:03.980 going to try and run again i think she thinks she should be president uh i don't think she's going

00:49:08.080 to get the nomination i love this i love it so much and i want it very badly here is that piece

00:49:13.700 uh quoting again from the vanity fair piece president biden's disastrous decision to run

00:49:19.340 for a second term and his late parachute pull to exit the race did her no favors quote joe biden 0.98

00:49:25.220 fucked her says the third white house aide he effed her and according to her book he called 0.99

00:49:31.200 her the morning of the debate to be like, I heard your donors are talking shit about me. 0.99

00:49:35.320 Back to this source. He was the fucking worst. He's a prick. So this is probably the aid to 1.00

00:49:43.820 Kamala who's speaking to Aiden McLaughlin here, Rich, because, of course, Team Harris completely

00:49:49.540 blames Team Biden for the loss. But it goes on to say just a couple of the other quotes.

00:49:56.060 I've spoken to maybe one person out of a hundred who thinks she should run says another source

00:50:01.360 whether it's former campaign colleagues people around dc or just people around the country who

00:50:05.400 are like oh god she's not going to run again I've been all over the country for these midterms I've

00:50:09.660 not encountered anyone anyone who said boy I really hope Kamala runs says one veteran democratic

00:50:15.040 operative will she run most likely yes should she absolutely not says a former white house aide

00:50:20.080 there is no appetite for the former vp to return to the campaign trail I can't really name one

00:50:25.240 person who's excited about the prospect of her running, I am, or thinks that it would wind up

00:50:30.380 being a successful endeavor, nor are donors particularly enthusiastic. So those realities

00:50:38.980 are going to be heard by the Kamala Harris team. It's not like whatever they're saying publicly,

00:50:44.260 they're aware of this. Yeah, she's going to run. I think she should run. What else is she going to 0.97

00:50:48.480 do? And she'd have some chance of winning the nomination. The chance wouldn't be zero. Now,

00:50:53.200 Biden did screw her in that he was an unpopular president, right?

00:50:57.800 And she couldn't escape it.

00:50:59.640 But he also handed a nomination to her that she got by calling some people on the phone one afternoon.

00:51:05.640 How often does that happen?

00:51:07.220 But I've been completely dismissive of another Kamala Harris campaign.

00:51:11.980 But one reaction when a candidate loses is, we never want to see you again.

00:51:16.240 Forget it.

00:51:17.180 Thank you.

00:51:17.960 Goodbye.

00:51:18.380 I don't think that's the reaction of Democrats to her.

00:51:20.720 She's leading the pollings very early.

00:51:22.200 That's probably name ID. But then you run down the other possibilities. You're like, are any of these people giant killers themselves? No. So I think it's it's the chance for winning nomination is not zero. I bet on the field rather than her. But she's going to give it a college try. And for her purposes, she should.

00:51:39.140 uh there's news about aoc today which we'll talk about in a minute but first we take a break more

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00:53:24.540 we are back now with rich lowry and charles cw cook of national review for our and our day here

00:53:33.840 at the mk show debbie murphy really wants me to get this line in from that vanity fair piece

00:53:38.980 and so i must it ends with um or at least toward the end of the piece uh they write in late april

00:53:45.160 at a summit in chicago kamala harris was asked what she's learned about herself as she's had

00:53:50.080 time to reflect over the last few months. Quote, I don't like losing, she said, breaking into a

00:53:56.820 laugh as she looked out into the audience. We don't either, an attendee in the audience shouted

00:54:02.680 back. Move along, lady. You are the loser. You got to come to terms with that fact and keep going. 0.68

00:54:11.680 Okay, AOC. The last we heard from AOC on any sort of national basis was just a couple of

00:54:20.040 months ago in Munich, where she was asked some foreign policy questions that were very, very

00:54:27.040 basic. The three of us understand, most of my audience understands, that the basic policy of

00:54:33.340 the United States with respect to Taiwan is something we call strategic ambiguity, where

00:54:38.580 we really don't want the Chinese reclaiming Taiwan and taking it back over. And we may or may not be

00:54:46.220 prepared to defend Taiwan from such an attempt. But we don't talk about it. We don't want to

00:54:51.580 provoke the Chinese. We don't want to provoke the Taiwanese on whom we rely for our computer 1.00

00:54:56.680 chips and so on. So we've just kind of maintained the shoulder shrug policy when it when that 1.00

00:55:04.520 subject comes up. It's kind of basic. It's kind of interesting, really. This is not something that

00:55:10.420 the three of us should know in AOC, who is she's been in Congress since 2018. Right. We're going

00:55:16.200 on eight years now, should not know. She should know, especially because she continues to get 0.94

00:55:21.860 mentioned as a possible presidential candidate, and she doesn't tamp down that talk. But here's

00:55:25.980 how it went for her in Taiwan before I get to what is happening today, not in Taiwan, in Munich,

00:55:30.280 about Taiwan, 16B. Would and should the U.S. actually commit U.S. troops to defend Taiwan

00:55:38.080 if China were to move?

00:55:40.640 You know, I think that this is such a, 1.00

00:55:47.220 you know, I think that this is a,

00:55:50.060 this is of course a very longstanding policy

00:55:56.680 of the United States.

00:55:58.800 And I think what we are hoping for

00:56:01.280 is that we want to make sure that we never get to that point.

00:56:04.920 And we want to make sure that we are moving in all of our economic research and our global positions to avoid any such confrontation and for that question to even arise.

00:56:18.360 OK, so she was mocked universally.

00:56:22.660 We cut out the long pauses just to keep that soundbite going, but it sounds even worse when you hear her long pauses.

00:56:28.060 And now we get this from Axios.

00:56:32.260 AOC takes more steps toward a 2028 run. 1.00

00:56:36.180 Democratic operatives expect that she would easily raise $100 million or more just from small dollar donors, mobilize many supporters of Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders' past campaigns, and command attention, as few other candidates could. 0.88

00:56:49.500 She has launched a national tour in recent weeks without calling it that.

00:56:55.000 Just in May, she's rallied voters in Philadelphia for a left-wing congressional candidate in a competitive primary.

00:57:00.880 She's spoken at a rally in Montgomery, Alabama, about voting rights.

00:57:04.400 She's addressed the historic Ebenezer Baptist Church in Atlanta with Georgia Senator Raphael Warnock.

00:57:10.040 She met with Reverend Martin Luther King Jr.'s daughter at the King Center in Atlanta to talk about data center and voting rights.

00:57:16.880 She's visited the Morehouse School of Medicine to discuss black maternal health.

00:57:21.340 She's rolled out several endorsements in races across the country.

00:57:24.000 None of this, I don't hear, you know what I don't hear in here?

00:57:26.140 Queens.

00:57:26.580 I don't hear anything about her district, which includes Queens and part of Westchester.

00:57:34.420 Nothing, nothing.

00:57:36.060 OK, here is what I did hear from her when she went to Ebenezer Baptist Church, where

00:57:43.500 she seems to be taking on some of the characteristics of Kamala Harris.

00:57:48.500 See if you can guess why I say that.

00:57:50.300 Listen.

00:57:51.340 I'm here today, brothers and sisters, with a simple message.

00:57:55.620 We stand together and we are not going back.

00:58:03.120 What happens to Florida happens to New York.

00:58:07.420 What happens to Tennessee happens to California.

00:58:11.180 What happens to Louisiana happens to all of us, Ebenezer.

00:58:17.120 Because this is America.

00:58:19.920 We are not divided by state.

00:58:22.340 we are united by our humanity and common citizenship because no man can grant us our

00:58:32.180 humanity no law can erase it no king no system and no president can strip it away ebenezer

00:58:41.860 because it is not given by man it is ordained by god thank you ebenezer church and happy mother's

00:58:49.780 day praise god oh they're both smiling rich you want to start on that one let's talk about this

00:59:00.960 and mock the people that do this i just wonder whether it just seems like inevitable anyone who 0.65

00:59:05.020 speaks in a black church feels the need to talk that way i wonder if i if i stood at edmenezer

00:59:11.200 the podium there i'd do it too maybe it's just such a powerful rhetorical american style i would

00:59:18.340 or I wouldn't? No, you wouldn't. It's ridiculous. You're not a ridiculous person. I can actually

00:59:25.140 manage yourself standing in front of a mostly black crowd in a church and being like brothers

00:59:30.880 and sisters in front of God. No, you know, you would not have. But I'm the same way on AOC as 0.55

00:59:37.700 Kamala. I think she should run. I think she is going to run. She's so light, though. So light. 1.00

00:59:44.240 I think Kamala kind of is a statesperson compared to AOC.

00:59:51.320 Yes, I mean, sadly, you're right.

00:59:53.440 She's all white suit, and it's an empty one, Charlie.

00:59:56.880 But she is popular with the progressive wing of her party. 0.72

01:00:02.720 Yeah.

01:00:03.740 Well, in her defense, in her answer in Munich, she had the ambiguity down,

01:00:08.120 which is not necessarily the strategy.

01:00:11.080 She's halfway there.

01:00:12.400 you know i just spent a week in the deep south and i will agree with rich to some extent it's

01:00:19.100 quite it's quite tempting to start talking like the people around you because it's such a lilting

01:00:24.480 way of communicating but it is also ridiculous and to that extent i really think that people 0.88

01:00:31.360 who aren't african-americans in church should try and avoid slipping into sounding like african 0.72

01:00:38.720 Americans in church. And she couldn't do it. And Hillary couldn't do it. I don't know what it is 0.94

01:00:46.140 that infects Democrats when they enter a church that they suddenly become that. I think she's

01:00:55.040 going to run too. I actually think that perhaps one reason she did do this is because it might

01:01:00.740 be her biggest problem gaining African American voters. And if you look at the last few years

01:01:06.180 of democratic primaries um democrats have been dispositive they're the ones who've decided

01:01:13.360 who the nominee is sorry african-american democrats who've decided who the nominee is

01:01:17.660 um but they've also been more moderate and they saved the party from bernie sanders uh in 2020

01:01:26.140 and they revivified joe biden who looked as if he was done um the wing of the party that aoc

01:01:34.940 represents is the Bernie Sanders wing. That's who she is. And I would be surprised if there was a

01:01:44.720 mass uprising, to use a word we used earlier, of African American Democrats in her favor. Perhaps 0.83

01:01:51.180 she knows that. Perhaps she's trying to change that by going to their church. The last thing is,

01:01:57.640 it was quite funny, wasn't it, when she was just speaking? Because she got some parts of the tone

01:02:02.340 and the intonation and the pattern, right?

01:02:05.900 But she couldn't say Ebenezer, right?

01:02:08.340 So she sort of ended up,

01:02:10.120 she kept adding the R on the end.

01:02:12.460 So she ended up sounding almost Irish or something

01:02:15.100 where she sort of say Ebenezer,

01:02:16.480 and then she'd go, like a pirate.

01:02:19.820 So she hasn't quite got it.

01:02:22.020 She's not quite there yet, but she's going to run.

01:02:25.020 It's not the first time she's tried it.

01:02:26.980 We actually have an AOC montage

01:02:28.780 of her trying to sound like a preacher.

01:02:31.040 Here's a little bit. 1.00

01:02:31.840 Watch.

01:02:32.340 I'm proud to be a bartender.

01:02:35.580 Ain't nothing wrong with that.

01:02:38.420 There's nothing wrong with working retail, folding clothes for other people to buy.

01:02:43.280 And I, for one, am tired of hearing about how a two-bit union buster thinks of himself as more of a patriot

01:02:52.400 than the woman who fights every single day to lift working people out from under the boots to breathe,

01:03:01.080 traveling on our way of life that's that's way worse i mean that that that's that's bordering

01:03:10.480 on parody you know we've talked about this one of the reasons is that it's such a great it's

01:03:15.820 the black preacher sort of tone is so great i just could listen to it all day

01:03:21.080 i just i just of course she wants to sound like that it's wonderful

01:03:24.320 Yes. Yes. If you had the actual Raphael, we're not doing it. Fine. That's cool. But here she is. Remember, she was she was campaigning. Was it Jamal Bowman when he was in trouble? And she went and she campaigned for him. And she looked like a lunatic. This is when she whipped her hair out of the bun. Here, watch.

01:03:44.620 Running, just jumping

01:03:52.540 Before the weight gain

01:03:57.220 Just jumping, jumping, jumping

01:04:04.300 Reminds me of my aerobics stays

01:04:06.100 Screaming

01:04:08.560 Here comes down the hair

01:04:14.620 Charlie, are you feeling that special tingle that you feel when you watch Jasmine Crockett or no?

01:04:38.280 No, I love Jasmine Crockett. I love Jasmine Crockett.

01:04:41.060 I know you do.

01:04:41.640 but no and in fact the opposite i've i i actually think that that's lowered my opinion of aoc quite

01:04:47.940 seriously um because i don't think she's particularly good at that um i've always

01:04:52.380 thought that that although she's a lightweight and i didn't think she's going to be the nominee

01:04:55.880 i've always thought she had something she's good on social media um she's savvy but those those 1.00

01:05:02.780 three videos have lowered my opinion of her yeah good job you ruined aoc for charlotte but she's 1.00

01:05:09.440 just yeah yeah they the republicans should consult me before they run their campaign ads against her 0.98

01:05:14.780 i think i've found the magic sauce she's not particularly good at that um but again i don't 0.78

01:05:19.840 think that's her lane as they say i think if she has a lane it's not going to be that one

01:05:25.120 right so to me that looks like a caricature of what like hollywood might produce in a movie

01:05:32.400 of what like a really hot, young leftist politician looks and sounds like.

01:05:38.280 But in real life, no one's voting for that other than like some tiny percentage of far

01:05:43.000 left young progressives with multiple piercing stretch.

01:05:46.160 Yeah. 1.00

01:05:46.480 So I thought the case for her running is that she could pick up the Bernie Sanders coalition 1.00

01:05:50.980 and that's a lot in the Democratic Party.

01:05:53.120 But the thing with Bernie, absolutely authentic, like him or hate him, and always knew his

01:05:58.800 brief.

01:05:59.200 You never have a sense when he gets any question thrown at him that he doesn't know the answer.

01:06:03.700 He hasn't thought it through sincerely.

01:06:06.300 That is not the case with AOC.

01:06:09.440 No.

01:06:10.320 Well, over on Team Blue, we have some interesting news out of the state of Maine.

01:06:16.080 Graham Plattner is running.

01:06:17.700 He's a former U.S. Marine Corps member.

01:06:20.980 And he served four combat tours in Iraq and Afghanistan and is taking on Susan Collins,

01:06:27.080 who's this sort of more moderate, to put it mildly, Republican who's been in office for a

01:06:34.460 long time, and he's up over her by eight points right now. And you can see why, because Maine is

01:06:42.000 not particularly right-leaning anymore. And though she's been there for a long time, she's been there

01:06:48.300 for a long time. And I think on both sides, there's sort of like a, oh, do we have any fresh

01:06:53.020 blood feeling coming into the parties and she's definitely not fresh blood. She's older. She 0.87

01:06:59.360 sounds older. She's got the shaky voice thing, which I think is a, is a health thing as opposed 0.51

01:07:03.880 to an age thing, but whatever. She just doesn't seem all that robust and he's coming for her.

01:07:09.320 He's up eight, um, for the, and this is a Senate seat that, you know, the, the Republicans would

01:07:14.060 like to defend. Now it comes out and I don't know why now it's interesting, but it comes out that

01:07:21.820 he, on this Reddit account that's caused him so much trouble, you know, he's made a lot of

01:07:26.720 controversial comments over there and it was deleted, but it's all archived. So everybody

01:07:30.880 has it that he saw a video posted by PFC Ted Daniels, um, from Afghanistan. And it's of Daniels

01:07:41.960 fighting with his brethren over there. He's an American in 2012. And Daniels in this video gets

01:07:49.040 shot. This is an American. This is one of ours. It gets shot four times. Now you see him as sort 0.97

01:07:54.460 of at the top, it looks like at the top of a hill. And then he goes down onto the face of the hill,

01:07:58.500 putting himself much more in the front, in the, in the line of fire because the Taliban fighters

01:08:03.620 are shooting already when they're at the top of the hill. Nevermind if you're going to crawl down

01:08:06.700 the front of it and continue shooting at them. He would later say he did that to draw the fire away

01:08:12.200 from his comrades um but whatever uh he got shot four times and lived to tell about it thank goodness

01:08:20.160 here's here's the video before i

01:08:22.300 see it from his helmet 0.99

01:08:28.980 Damn. 1.00

01:08:30.980 I'm hit. 1.00

01:08:32.980 I'm hit!

01:08:36.980 I'm hit!

01:08:46.980 Oh! 1.00

01:08:48.980 Fuck! 1.00

01:08:50.980 No! 1.00

01:08:58.980 Help me! I'm hit! I'm hit! I'm hit! I'm hit!

01:09:16.560 The great Jim Garrity has a column at National Review about this right now. I believe it was

01:09:22.360 broken by Fox News Digital late last week. And the headline is that Graham Plattner has sparked

01:09:29.300 outrage again as he appears to mock this wounded soldier, saying he's a dumb motherfucker who 1.00

01:09:36.900 didn't deserve to live. Quoting here, at least his stupidity and fat ass wheezing are available for 1.00

01:09:43.720 all future infantrymen to witness and hold in contempt. Poor marksmanship on the Taliban's 1.00

01:09:49.020 part is the only reason this mouth breather made it home. He managed to make every possible 1.00

01:09:53.700 shit decision when it comes to small unit combat. So the headline is he didn't deserve to live. 1.00

01:10:04.880 And then it appears that he, Graham Plattner, did not respond at first when asked outside of

01:10:11.780 a market near his home whether he regrets making the post. Let's see. Did not respond.

01:10:19.020 And it doesn't look like he is feeling too remorseful about it because he still, as far as I can tell, has not responded, has not apologized, and is just sort of standing by saying that a fellow serviceman who risked his life for us in Afghanistan honorably and received a Purple Heart for his four bullet wounds deserved it and actually didn't deserve to live, and that he's a dumb motherfucker. 0.99

01:10:46.640 Your thoughts on it, Charlie? 0.99

01:10:48.420 Well, I think Graham Platt is a creep.

01:10:50.380 And I think that that is obvious across pretty much everything I know about the guy. 0.88

01:10:56.640 He has, sorry, had a Nazi tattoo on his chest, which is something I, in my 41 years, have somehow managed to avoid doing by accident.

01:11:06.480 And from that moment on, he has got worse and worse and worse.

01:11:12.220 And I think it's absolutely astonishing that he's up eight in Maine.

01:11:17.180 and i hope he loses i mean it's not even as if there's much of an excuse uh susan collins is a

01:11:25.100 moderate establishment figure a very nice lady uh who seems to be unimpeachable in her personal life

01:11:31.080 she's less conservative than i am but she's also a senator in maine so this idea that you know 1.00

01:11:36.480 anyone but susan collins has to be elected to that seat i think it's ridiculous uh once again

01:11:44.240 Graham Plattner in that Reddit post is saying words that you couldn't waterboard out of me.

01:11:49.560 I mean, we've seen him talk about women in absolutely appalling ways.

01:11:54.680 We've seen him profess himself to be a communist.

01:11:59.440 And now he's pleased when he sees American soldiers being shot.

01:12:04.540 I mean, I almost can't believe this is a real person. 1.00

01:12:08.580 I can't believe this is a real race. 0.98

01:12:10.060 And after the last 10 years of American politics, that's saying something. 1.00

01:12:14.240 It's true.

01:12:15.180 Wait, correcting myself here,

01:12:16.880 Garrity's post goes on to say that

01:12:19.020 after he originally tried not to respond,

01:12:21.940 he did pull the indignation card, Rich,

01:12:26.120 by saying,

01:12:27.020 I did four tours in the infantry.

01:12:30.780 Any attempt to say that I disrespect veterans

01:12:32.920 is slanderous and offensive

01:12:34.780 when asked the follow-up question.

01:12:37.280 Slanderous and offensive.

01:12:38.520 I mean, is it?

01:12:40.440 Because, like, he didn't deserve to live 0.92

01:12:43.140 seems pretty black and white. To me, it seems pretty simple to just say, you know, I was behaving

01:12:48.760 like a knucklehead. I shouldn't have said that. I was being an idiot because, you know, I thought 0.88

01:12:54.460 his decision on the battlefield was really dumb, and I wasn't articulate about saying that. 1.00

01:12:59.500 Yes, clearly this guy is a poisonous toad. We have extensive record online of him being a 0.99

01:13:04.120 poisonous toad and no evidence that he's stopped being a poisonous toad. But what they're going to

01:13:08.760 argue is that this is a product of his service, and he was in a bad place when he came back, 0.54

01:13:12.760 So that's why he was such an a-hole online.

01:13:15.580 I hate to say it. 1.00

01:13:16.660 I think you've got to favor him in this race.

01:13:19.500 It's going to be a very tough year for Republicans.

01:13:21.820 Now, Susan Collins is a survivor.

01:13:23.440 She's survived when the polling was against her before.

01:13:26.100 Maybe she will this time.

01:13:27.300 But I kind of think the other Democrat would have been easier for Susan Collins because 1.00

01:13:32.040 there's an 80-year-old white woman with a real poor record as governor and quite a left-wing 1.00

01:13:38.660 record as governor, whereas Plattner is anti-establishment.

01:13:41.840 He's something fresh and new in lots of bad ways, I would argue, but different than than Susan Collins.

01:13:48.520 So he's got a real puncher's chance in this race.

01:13:52.080 And I hate saying it because he he deserves to be a streamer like Hassan Piker and not anywhere near.

01:13:57.700 But he's got a real chance to be there next year.

01:14:01.020 He's I mean, he's he's.

01:14:04.920 For expanding the Supreme Court, he's for making Puerto Rico and D.C. a state.

01:14:11.400 So before our friends up in Maine fall in love with his anti-war stance, which I know a lot of Republicans are feeling, yours truly included, let's not get so blind on his radical leftist nature as to fall in love with him.

01:14:26.020 I'm sure there's a lot of positions that our friends across the aisle may share with us on one issue or another, certainly if you're an independent like I am.

01:14:33.620 But good God, he you know, there's no expanding the Supreme Court and there's definitely no making Puerto Rico and D.C. states.

01:14:39.500 or the Republicans will never win an election ever again.

01:14:43.620 That blog has had a lot of things on it.

01:14:45.860 One of the most offensive was somebody posted, 1.00

01:14:48.240 white people aren't as racist or stupid as Trump thinks. 1.00

01:14:51.800 And his response was, living in white rural America, 1.00

01:14:54.480 I'm afraid to tell you, they actually are.

01:14:57.400 And I mean, there's tons of really offensive stuff on here. 0.90

01:15:00.020 He's ripping on black people and whatever. 0.92

01:15:02.460 It's like, it goes on and on. 0.93

01:15:03.780 But that's Graham Plattner, who's again, up eight.

01:15:07.200 And speaking of Democrats who have stepped in it over the weekend, intentionally or not, Tom Steyer is running for L.A. mayor next to Spencer Pratt, who should be winning and sorry, governor.

01:15:22.840 And next to next to our friend Steve Hilton, who should be winning. 0.70

01:15:28.160 And he decided to weigh in on the transgender debate on the podcast of the very angry lady with the blonde hair. 0.79

01:15:35.460 I can never remember her name, but he went on her podcast and the subject of trans athletes comes up.

01:15:42.140 He's from California. Keep in mind, just this past weekend, there is one of the most infamous trans athletes competed in track and field.

01:15:50.540 This is a boy who looks like a girl now because he's, you know, posing as one with the long blonde hair. 0.57

01:15:55.580 It's a boy. 0.93

01:15:56.260 And he's crushing all these women in the high jump and the long jump and the triple jump by like several inches and several feet, depending on the event.

01:16:04.100 And no female is keeping up with him.

01:16:06.200 Now, the accommodation that Gavin Newsom has come up with for these female athletes, the actual female athletes, is that if they're, you know, first, but for the presence of this boy, they get to stand on the podium with him.

01:16:19.600 They can stand up there next to the boy posing as the girl and they both get a first place medal. 0.56

01:16:26.440 It's ridiculous. 0.92

01:16:28.100 Get off of my riser. 0.94

01:16:30.260 Go to the boys event.

01:16:32.120 See if you can get yourself on the riser there.

01:16:34.260 Get off of my riser. 0.98

01:16:35.820 That's what these girls are clearly thinking, looking at him like, what are you doing up here?

01:16:40.700 So Tom Steyer from California, a billionaire, decides to weigh in on this debate.

01:16:46.160 And this is what he said.

01:16:47.700 Stop 14.

01:16:48.980 I'm totally in favor of trans athletes in high school. 0.94

01:16:51.880 I think when you understand the vulnerability, the stress,

01:16:57.500 the danger of being a trans kid, 1.00

01:17:01.180 and you understand that almost half of them try to commit suicide. 1.00

01:17:04.940 Yeah.

01:17:05.460 And then you think we're going to punish those kids. 1.00

01:17:07.480 We're going to cut them off from team sports.

01:17:09.300 We're going to cut them off from participating in the community.

01:17:11.900 We're going to cut them off from fun.

01:17:14.760 It's like, no, we're not.

01:17:17.040 No, we're not.

01:17:17.640 But and, you know, as someone who played sports my whole life and love sports and love playing sports, they're more important things than whether you start on your high school basketball team.

01:17:28.760 And that is standing up for people who are under threat of death.

01:17:33.040 Oh, my God. Shame on you, Tom Steyer. Shame on you. Rich's head is like in his chest right now.

01:17:39.460 This is so outrageous that these young girls have to endanger themselves.

01:17:44.320 I mean, literally, I refer to the girl in Lowell, Massachusetts on the field hockey field who got all of her teeth knocked out.

01:17:51.760 The other girls were so horrified.

01:17:53.440 Some of them could barely go on by a boy wielding a field hockey stick and inadvertently smashing it in her face with the force that a boy who's in full boy puberty with all of his testosterone coming in can do.

01:18:05.400 That that has to happen because it's the boy who is in danger, according to Tom Steyer.

01:18:11.760 It's the boy who is experiencing stress and vulnerability.

01:18:16.600 How dare he?

01:18:17.800 I issued him an invitation to come on this program to have a debate with somebody who actually will challenge him.

01:18:22.520 Respectfully, we can have it.

01:18:23.860 No response because he's super tough, Rich, while he's sitting across from the angry lady who's a far leftist.

01:18:29.380 But he wouldn't dare come on this program and say that to me. 1.00

01:18:32.460 He doesn't have the balls. 0.99

01:18:34.140 I don't care how many billions he has. 1.00

01:18:35.620 He's so wrong. 1.00

01:18:37.320 He's a coward and he's a failure. 0.99

01:18:39.680 That soundbite is so wrong on every level, including, as you guys at National Review know, because you've been reporting on it, and was it Audrey Fahlberg? 1.00

01:18:50.100 But I can't remember.

01:18:51.980 Yeah, she hasn't been there in a while, but you know who I mean.

01:18:54.080 She did a great report on putting the lie to this nonsense about half of trans youth attempt suicide. 1.00

01:19:02.260 That is total bullshit. 1.00

01:19:05.040 Everything he said is bullshit. 1.00

01:19:06.600 Yeah. 1.00

01:19:07.100 Hold on a second.

01:19:07.800 I have it in front of me.

01:19:08.260 Oh, it's Maddie Kearns.

01:19:09.020 It was it was Maddie Kearns who said the only long term study done on transsexuals like post surgery.

01:19:16.760 So like they've done the crossover to see if like did having the procedures make them less suicidal, you know, more well.

01:19:26.080 It was a 2011 Swedish study and it found overall mortality for these people was higher, was higher than for those who remain in their biological sex.

01:19:37.000 Your thoughts.

01:19:37.720 Well, Steyer is a class enemy because he's a billionaire. So he's pandering and desperate clawing to get into one of the top slots in that gubernatorial primary. But you're right. This answer has everything terrible in it, beginning with his go-to argument for everything that if you don't bend to the trans agenda, you are causing trans people to die because they're going to commit suicide.

01:20:00.120 Now, we've heard it mostly with regard to so-called gender reassignment surgery, but 0.96

01:20:04.620 here we are if this guy is not on the podium with the girls, he's going to commit suicide. 0.95

01:20:09.360 It's insane.

01:20:10.760 And yeah, it's not the most important thing if you're a girl, whether you're starting

01:20:14.300 on a high school basketball team or not, varsity basketball team, but it is pretty important

01:20:19.160 when you've spent years on a travel team, probably practicing, playing, and it's one

01:20:24.380 of your aspirations.

01:20:25.540 Why should a guy take your spot on the basketball team or anything else?

01:20:29.500 it's crazy and then also the idea that trans people won't have fun fun will be banned and

01:20:34.820 prohibited for them if they they aren't competing against girls and competitive sports it's just

01:20:40.260 everything about it so vomit inducing they also you know it's fun it's fun to win it's really fun

01:20:47.040 to win and i'm sure that this ab hernandez in california is having a grand old time

01:20:50.860 less so the girls coming in behind him go ahead charles they always play both sides of it on the

01:20:56.400 one hand, they say it's so important that people who say they're of the opposite sex need to play

01:21:01.820 in sports that we need to upend all of our institutions to accommodate it. And then they

01:21:06.320 say when it happens, well, it's only sports. It's not like sports matter. You know, I like sports,

01:21:11.640 but it's not like sports are important. You've got to pick a lane. They're either important or

01:21:15.620 they're not. And the reason they do that is that they know that they are actually very important

01:21:19.040 to people. And they know that Congress recognized that they're important to people, which is why we

01:21:23.380 have Title IX. And Congress did not intend Title IX to be hacked by men who, by dint of their

01:21:30.920 biological virtues, I suppose they are bigger and stronger on average than women, can win. 0.56

01:21:39.260 The second thing is, Rich talked about the threat of suicide. That is a fundamentally 0.99

01:21:44.260 undemocratic position. I mean, to say I have to get my way or I'll kill myself in any other

01:21:50.040 circumstance would be rejected out of hand if i said i think taxes are too high so unless you

01:21:54.960 lower taxes i'm going to kill myself or to pick something that is far more important in the grand

01:22:00.160 scheme of things abortion i'm pro-life i think abortion is killing in most states abortion is

01:22:04.700 legal in some states abortion is legal almost to the point of birth so am i allowed to say

01:22:09.720 you have to enforce my particular abortion preferences or i'll kill myself and then what

01:22:15.840 everyone just has to follow it it is completely ridiculous that that's become currency within our

01:22:20.380 political system and and in addition to maddie kearns is reporting on that study at 2011 from

01:22:27.720 sweden you remember when that trans lawyer went before the supreme court in skirmetti

01:22:33.820 which was looking at whether you could stop uh the pre pu the puberty blockers and cross-sex

01:22:40.980 hormones for trans youth. And this lawyer, who I think is a woman posing as a man, who goes by the

01:22:50.900 name Chase Strangio, got up there and made a stunning admission when Alito pressed her, again

01:23:01.800 she's posing as a he, pressed her on this ridiculous claim because she tried to argue

01:23:07.480 that these trans youth, if they didn't get access to all these puberty blockers, etc., 0.99

01:23:12.420 were going to kill themselves.

01:23:14.280 And finally, somebody in the form of Justice Alito,

01:23:17.440 who is entitled to honesty from a member of the Supreme Court bar,

01:23:22.220 no matter what her issues, pressed her on what is that true?

01:23:28.560 Like, what is the data for that?

01:23:30.360 And she gave it up.

01:23:31.980 Listen.

01:23:32.980 On page 195 of the cash report, it says,

01:23:35.340 There is no evidence that gender-affirmative treatments reduce suicide.

01:23:43.840 What I think that is referring to is there is no evidence in the studies that this treatment reduces completed suicide. 0.81

01:23:52.580 And the reason for that is completed suicide, thankfully and admittedly, is rare.

01:23:56.800 And we're talking about a very small population of individuals with studies that don't necessarily have completed suicides within them.

01:24:04.540 However, there are multiple studies, long term longitudinal studies that do show that there is a reduction in suicidality, which I think is a is a positive outcome to this treatment.

01:24:18.480 Suicidality. So she's saying it'll reduce the amount that they want to kill themselves.

01:24:22.780 OK, there's actually not data to support that either.

01:24:25.700 Like this is this is a lie that continues to be pushed on us. 0.60

01:24:28.400 But as you point out, Charlie, even if it were true, and by the way, if the suicidality is caused by the fact that they're not allowed to transition, then why do we have an increased, to some level, thoughts of suicide by Ls and Gs, the lesbian and gay crowd, right? 0.95

01:24:48.400 Like they're not looking to transition. Could it be that just being in the LGBTQ rainbow coalition raises additional challenges that, you know, you may find stressful and there's no surgery that's going to solve it for you? 0.74

01:25:01.980 You might need actual therapy to address your issues. But as you point out, this cannot be a trump card on the sacrifice of girls and women's rights or children's safety and the protection by those of us who are over the age of 18 of their fertility, their right to sexual enjoyment when they get old enough to understand what that is, which is taken away from them when we castrate them at age 11 and 12 as loving but well-meaning parents when it comes to the medicalization.

01:25:30.960 None of this should be a matter of choice for the parents or anybody else.

01:25:34.820 It's the child's choice that he or she can hold on to and must make only, only when they reach the age of majority.

01:25:41.900 Yeah.

01:25:42.340 Sorry, I'm still struggling to get over that voice coming out of someone who has a mustache.

01:25:47.280 That was really quite disconcerting.

01:25:49.140 It never fools anybody.

01:25:50.000 It's really bizarre.

01:25:50.980 Well, so what we talked earlier about the summer of 2020, and the moment at which the medical

01:25:58.820 authorities decided that having told us not to go outside for months, taking our kids out of school

01:26:05.060 and so forth, that it was okay to riot. I think that was sort of the moment at which people said,

01:26:09.820 so is this all just made up, which of course it wasn't, but their guidance was. The same thing

01:26:15.700 happened around the same time with the trans issue. This is one reason why there is such 1.00

01:26:22.720 low trust now in government health organizations and academics, because from the United States all

01:26:32.020 the way across Europe, people who had previously been trusted, people who had a doctor before their

01:26:38.600 name or PhD after it just started making things up. And you would see people say, with a straight

01:26:45.440 face that there was no difference between the average strength of a man and the average strength

01:26:50.700 of a woman. There's no difference in the height between the average man and women. There's no

01:26:55.740 difference in stamina or athletic ability. And the thing is, you don't have to have a medical degree

01:27:03.300 or a doctorate to know that that is just absolute nonsense. And it wasn't just those sort of bold

01:27:09.320 face lies, it was when you dug down into it, they started lying in papers and in government guidance

01:27:16.280 as well. And this suicide 50% number was just one of those. But there are tons of them. They just

01:27:24.360 proliferated. And they've slowly been pulled back. And especially in Europe, which has been a little

01:27:30.780 faster than the United States, a lot of that guidance has been rescinded. And a lot of the

01:27:36.460 indulgence has been reversed. But people still remember that there was all of that lying. And I

01:27:44.600 think, as you say, what was great about that moment was that there was an immediate consequence for

01:27:51.620 Chase Strangio had Chase Strangio lied to Justice Alito. It's a bit like being put under oath or

01:27:57.900 subpoenaed or put in a box in a courtroom. You suddenly can't do it anymore. Whereas if you're

01:28:04.020 the British National Health Service, or you're a politician, or you work for, you know, a state

01:28:09.160 level public health organization, you can say whatever you want to follow the trend. But Chase

01:28:15.340 Strangio couldn't, because the court has rules. And that was that was really a terrific moment by

01:28:22.500 Justice Alito where he got he got Chase Strangio to admit that. Yeah, you have a duty of candor

01:28:30.500 to the court as an officer of the court. And I mean, especially when it's the Supreme Court and

01:28:36.220 you're part of the Supreme Court bar where the behavior bar is up here as well. And so she was

01:28:41.040 caught. She had to give it up. And she did. It's not just, you know, streamers and so on. The

01:28:48.040 Hollywood crowd, too, still pushing this messaging, Rich. This went unnoticed because nobody really

01:28:52.980 cares about these two people. But it is indicative of left wing thinking that still dominates the

01:28:57.860 Democrat Party. I mean, that that leaked DNC autopsy report that came out. Well, it's not

01:29:03.620 leaked because they actually finally made the decision to release it after a lot of pressure.

01:29:07.100 But it said, oh, that Kamala Harris, they them ad that Trump unleashed was very, very effective.

01:29:12.060 But then they were quick to say, but it's not going to change any of our behaviors. We're

01:29:15.020 totally we're on board with the trans thing. Like notwithstanding that, you know, that was a good 1.00

01:29:19.000 ad, but nothing's going to change. Here's a little microcosm of really, truly this is how the

01:29:24.620 the average leftist, not like the more moderate Dems who still linger in some pockets of the

01:29:29.300 country, but the leftists have taken over the party, how they think. And this is Lena Dunham

01:29:33.880 talking to Monica Lewinsky. Forgive me. Here you go. What's interesting now is these conversations

01:29:40.040 about, now we have more conversations than ever about what gender is, but also this sort of,

01:29:45.580 she's a very internet word, gatekeeping of what being female is, which is this kind of,

01:29:49.900 you know, we know the word turf, like what it is to kind of say, if you haven't been female in this

01:29:55.100 extremely specific way that is involves biology, then you are not welcome at this party.

01:30:02.400 I had Dylan Milvaney on recently. And, you know, it's an amazing, her story is amazing.

01:30:08.880 I have multiple nuclear trans family members. It's a big, it's been a big education for me to see,

01:30:16.320 to be around that. I think, you know, I got to go speak at Trans Day of Visibility in DC last year

01:30:23.080 with this amazing group called the Christopher Street Project. And the thing I expressed was

01:30:27.880 just how having a trans sibling, having trans people in my life has really opened up in this

01:30:34.020 most expansive way. So there she's complaining of the gatekeeping of what female is. And of course, 0.78

01:30:44.080 rich the irony of saying if you're not female in the exact specific way they want you're not 0.80

01:30:51.200 female that's biology biology that's a specific thing that's too constraining she means she means 0.98

01:30:57.300 not having a penis it's the left yes exactly but it's the left that's saying if you're a tomboy 0.97

01:31:04.180 and probably gay like a female who's probably lesbian you know you're a boy that's that's not 0.99

01:31:12.120 being female in exactly the specific way that's demanded. By leftists, they're the ones who have 0.85

01:31:17.860 reimposed these gender norms. We on Team Sanity, which is right-wingers and the independents who

01:31:26.320 lean right, we're fine. We have a big tent. We love our butch lesbians. We're not trying to make

01:31:30.700 them into boys, okay? And we love our femme boys. We're not trying to make them into girls. It's

01:31:34.860 fine. It's her. That's the irony. She's the one doing all that, Rich. First, by the way, when she

01:31:39.540 said, nuclear trans. I was like, is this a new gender? Don't tell Trump he'll invade. Yeah.

01:31:48.120 This is why a traditional gay guy like the journalist Andrew Sullivan hates this stuff 0.99

01:31:54.560 because it would mean like everyone would be trying to convince him that he's really a girl

01:31:58.140 or he's like, no, I'm a guy. I'm just a gay guy. So this is crazy. And again, these aren't

01:32:05.640 hugely, no disrespect to Monica Lewinsky, or Lena Dunham, who did write a hit show,

01:32:11.720 not the most thoughtful or original people. So these are just the beliefs that they receive,

01:32:17.480 they come down to them, and they're reflecting, right? And thinking they're being extremely

01:32:22.760 original and thoughtful when they're saying it. But again, the theme of this whole episode is

01:32:27.800 this stuff is still working, hasn't gone away. I believe we've reached peak woke,

01:32:32.520 because I don't think they're going to get every institution in American life to go along

01:32:35.980 the way they did in 2020, but they will do as much as they can to push and reimpose the stuff

01:32:43.900 as possible if they're in power again. Once AOC took the pronouns out of her ex-bio, 0.98

01:32:52.280 it was a very good sign. We were off to the races on the end of Peak Woke. It was just, you know, 1.00

01:32:57.620 she was as woke as they come. She lectured us on all the things and she did take those pronouns

01:33:02.800 down and it's over. I mean, it's, it's, it's lingering, but the war on that issue has been

01:33:09.180 won. We just have a few more legal battles to put to rest. Thank God. Thank God. But so that we have

01:33:13.900 to, we have to, you know, obviously AB Hernandez is on the podium out in California. So we still

01:33:19.360 have some work to do, but the, I would say the lion's share of this battle has been won and is

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01:36:45.000 and on the Sirius XM app. Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cook are back with me now. So guys, there may

01:36:55.620 or may not be a deal to settle the Iran war, or at least to engage in a phase one settlement of

01:37:04.300 the Iran war that would be followed by a phase two, which would take us closer to like a more

01:37:09.780 encompassing peace deal. They are saying precious little about it. So I'll tell you what we've

01:37:15.140 cobbled together based on all the reporting. First of all, President Trump has said that

01:37:22.160 it's going to be a good and proper deal if he makes it, not like the one made by Obama,

01:37:27.320 which gave Iran massive amounts of cash. Our deal is exactly the opposite, he said,

01:37:31.980 but nobody has seen it or knows what it is.

01:37:34.720 It isn't even fully negotiated yet. 0.81

01:37:36.360 So don't listen to the losers who are critical 0.97

01:37:38.000 about something they know nothing about. 0.98

01:37:39.420 I don't make bad deals.

01:37:41.460 Then we did find out from a truth social

01:37:43.500 that he thinks that, quote, should be mandatory

01:37:46.460 that Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt,

01:37:51.180 and Jordan should have to join the Abraham Accords 0.92

01:37:56.200 where they recognize Israel's right to exist

01:37:58.900 and engage in diplomatic relations with Israel.

01:38:01.980 And apparently that call didn't go over very well, as Axios' Barack Ravid, who's gotten scoop after scoop from the administration, reported that when Trump said it on the call with these people, quote, there was silence on the line and Trump joked and asked if they were still there.

01:38:16.860 So I don't think they want these are Middle East Arab allies joining the Abraham Accords to be part of the settlement of this deal.

01:38:27.140 He also said Iran should join. OK, good luck with it. I mean, good luck with that. Wow. 1.00

01:38:31.840 So this is what I think is happening.

01:38:36.580 Trita Parsi, who's done a great job

01:38:38.160 in reporting on this war from the beginning,

01:38:40.460 he posted to his substack the following,

01:38:43.680 that the agreement includes

01:38:45.940 a comprehensive cessation of hostilities.

01:38:48.400 So we're gonna stop bombing them

01:38:49.640 and they're gonna stop hitting us over there, 1.00

01:38:51.660 including in Lebanon,

01:38:53.560 which was originally what we were supposed to have

01:38:56.180 with this ceasefire, but it didn't go through.

01:38:58.920 Israel kept bombing Lebanon

01:39:00.200 and in fairness to Israel, Lebanon kept attacking Israel too. 0.98

01:39:03.300 So we're supposed to have a comprehensive cessation

01:39:05.400 of hostilities, including in Lebanon,

01:39:07.680 the gradual release of Iran's frozen assets. 0.87

01:39:11.920 So we've got a bunch of their cash around the world 0.93

01:39:13.540 that we're freezing that they can't get access to

01:39:15.420 and we're gonna ease that.

01:39:17.080 And an end to America's blockade of the blockade

01:39:19.780 in the Strait of Hormuz.

01:39:21.220 So we'll pull, to some extent, our war fighters 0.99

01:39:23.840 from the Strait and allow Iranian ports 0.92

01:39:25.760 to come back open and online.

01:39:27.800 And then the maritime traffic through the strait, which has been under Iranian control, quote, would resume under joint Iranian and Omani oversight.

01:39:38.580 Oman is the other country that has access, you know, is the border of Strait of Hormuz, those two.

01:39:43.340 So I don't know what that means.

01:39:44.580 They'll work together to allow ship traffic.

01:39:47.280 Will they be charging?

01:39:48.220 I don't know.

01:39:49.600 And then that would give them an additional 30 days to negotiate a final agreement.

01:39:53.420 The second stage would address the nuclear issue and the long term status of the Strait of Hormuz.

01:39:59.560 I'm just going to give you a little flavor of the reaction from the more hawkish Republican and Democrat thought leaders, politicians and so on here.

01:40:10.800 Watch. I remember when we never used to negotiate with terrorists here, we negotiate with terrorists repeatedly, constantly.

01:40:17.840 So when they're quote-unquote negotiating, they have no intention of living up to any aspect of any deal.

01:40:26.700 Did I really prefer not making a deal and going back to combat operation?

01:40:31.000 They will be empowered here as a result of a deal, and they will continue. 0.81

01:40:35.080 Where we're going to unfreeze Iranian assets and give them billions of dollars to be able to control proxies again. 0.61

01:40:44.060 Giving Iran more money, as he has said, will allow them to do things like fuel their terrorist proxies. 0.75

01:40:50.980 If the result of all of this is to be an Iranian regime still run by Islamists who chant death to America, 0.62

01:40:58.940 now receiving billions of dollars, being able to enrich uranium and develop nuclear weapons, 0.87

01:41:06.180 and having effective control over the Strait of Hormuz, that outcome would be a disastrous mistake.

01:41:14.060 The details are still coming out, and I pray that the early reports are wrong.

01:41:20.120 Rich, your thoughts?

01:41:21.800 So I think what's going on here, clearly, President Trump is highly reluctant to start bombing Iran again.

01:41:28.860 I think for a number of reasons, right?

01:41:30.260 One, obviously the politics.

01:41:32.140 Two, we're running low on precision munitions.

01:41:35.920 Three, the Gulf states aren't so sure we can protect them from Iranian retaliation.

01:41:40.160 Now, I also think the Iranians don't particularly want to get bombed again, either. So I think both sides are ready for a deal. And then both sides are trying to avoid overbidding for a deal. I think we'll get a basic trade of the blockade, our blockade for an opening of the Strait of Hormuz in some form or another. And then and then you'll see what you can get on the nuclear.

01:42:04.240 The problem Trump has is I think at the moment he seems more eager for a deal than the Iranians are, and the Iranians see that and sense that.

01:42:13.780 And two, once the Iranians at the outset of the conflict claim de facto control of the strait and we couldn't or didn't or whatever take it back, then they have this enormous strategic chit that you have to negotiate over to get back before you even get to the nuclear stuff, which you consider most important. 0.79

01:42:30.820 So I think there'll be a deal and the devil will be in the details, especially on the nuclear side of it. 0.63

01:42:40.360 I'm not surprised to hear them objecting to our loosening the spigot on Iranian assets and funds, Charlie, because that's something that people who can't stand Iran, don't trust Iran and think Iran is going to launch some sort of nuke against Israel, etc., really don't want for them to be flush with cash. 0.65

01:43:00.220 And if they do have control over the strait at all, and we're loosening our restrictions on their cash, they're not going to like that. So does it go through?

01:43:11.120 Well, I don't think that any of the people that you played clips from are going to persuade Trump. I think Trump's going to make his own decision, as he did going in.

01:43:24.740 I do wonder if it was a mistake.

01:43:28.500 As you know, I've been unsure as to what I've thought throughout.

01:43:32.020 I'm not as educated in this area as Rich is,

01:43:36.280 and I'm also not as sure of my views on foreign policy.

01:43:40.740 I mean, to me, it seems that the sort of solid argument,

01:43:43.580 if we end up with that being the deal,

01:43:46.060 is that you've got broadly what we had under Obama,

01:43:49.400 except that we also have bombed their nuclear sites.

01:43:52.720 but we did that before we went in this second time so i i do think it's going to be quite

01:43:59.040 difficult to spin the argument is going to have to be well look gas prices are coming down again

01:44:04.160 well yeah but they went up because we went in um so i think trump might want out but um i'm not

01:44:10.920 sure we're in a particularly good position uh now and i think that a lot of the criticisms

01:44:16.140 having gone in that we just heard are correct out would be good i'm in favor of out i don't

01:44:24.060 think it's going to be pretty or perfect but out is better than in and at this point you know given

01:44:30.880 the poll numbers on this war it's like how much are we going to lose i mean we can't lose much

01:44:35.620 more it was like the grand platner's up by eight we could lose control of the senate on team sanity

01:44:40.740 we're definitely looks like going to lose control of the house though the redistricting offers one

01:44:44.840 shed of light. I'm rooting for out, and I hope the president withstands this pressure.

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