The Megyn Kelly Show - April 10, 2024


Dems' ＂Democracy＂ Meltdown, Christians and Israel, and Abortion as Election Issue, with Victor Davis Hanson ｜ Ep. 762


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Sen. Kamala Harris (D-CA) and Rep. Sheila Jackson-Lee (D - TX) have a heated exchange about the solar system and the moon. Megyn explains what happened and why we need to elect a better candidate.

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00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
00:00:12.140 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Could 2024 be the last election ever?
00:00:19.840 That's a comment Vice President Kamala Harris agreed with on a podcast this week.
00:00:23.920 And it's a sentiment we have seen echoed by all sorts of loons on the left.
00:00:28.580 So, what really are the stakes of this election?
00:00:32.340 Here with me now, the best person to ask that question of, Victor Davis Hanson.
00:00:37.740 Victor is a senior fellow at the Stanford Hoover Institution.
00:00:41.520 His new book, set to be released next up, is titled The End of Everything, How Wars Descend into Annihilation.
00:00:50.720 You can pre-order it and support Victor now.
00:00:55.400 Victor, so good to see you again. How you doing?
00:00:57.540 Pretty good, Megyn. Thanks for having me.
00:00:59.940 Okay, I'm just going to table Kamala Harris' warning for one second, because there's a better story to start with.
00:01:05.680 And that is Representative Sheila Jackson Lee.
00:01:09.900 Victor, you know this, and I think most of our audience knows this, but just,
00:01:13.340 we get almost daily reminders that we are being represented by a field of idiots.
00:01:18.540 Remember when you were a kid and you looked up to somebody who made it to the U.S. Congress?
00:01:23.120 Certainly the Senate, but even in the House.
00:01:25.440 You used to think, like, that would require a certain level of intelligence, accomplishment, wisdom.
00:01:32.300 We were wrong.
00:01:34.400 This person is a complete moron.
00:01:37.060 So she represents much of the Houston area.
00:01:41.320 My friends in Houston, do better.
00:01:44.280 You've got to make a change.
00:01:46.300 Look at who is representing you.
00:01:48.400 She decided to weigh in on the eclipse and the solar system.
00:01:54.840 And she went to the Booker T. Washington High School down in Houston.
00:01:58.980 She's a Democrat.
00:02:00.100 And decided to speak to those in front of her about how the moon is made up mostly of gases.
00:02:11.840 Listen.
00:02:12.340 A full moon is that complete rounded circle, which is made up mostly of gases.
00:02:20.420 And that's why the question is why or how could we as humans live on the moon?
00:02:27.200 Are the gases such that we could do that?
00:02:30.780 The sun is a mighty powerful heat.
00:02:34.140 And it's almost impossible to go near the sun.
00:02:39.320 The moon is more manageable.
00:02:43.180 Okay.
00:02:44.780 Now, I confess prior to this dust up, I did not know exactly what the moon was made of.
00:02:50.420 But I knew that it was solids and it was largely volcanic.
00:02:53.540 I at no point thought it was made up of gases.
00:02:57.020 And almost everybody understands that.
00:03:00.140 And now Sheila Jackson Lee is trying to come out and cover herself by saying the following.
00:03:06.520 Obviously, I misspoke and meant to say the sun.
00:03:10.200 But as usual, Republicans are focused on stupid things.
00:03:13.340 Well, we are.
00:03:14.000 That's true.
00:03:15.580 We're focused on stupid things.
00:03:17.100 I don't know if we're talking about the same thing instead of stuff that really matters.
00:03:21.240 What can I say, though?
00:03:22.120 Foolish thinkers lust for stupidity.
00:03:24.740 So what she's trying to say, Victor, is that she meant to say the sun, that a full sun that
00:03:32.860 is complete, a complete rounded circle, and that the sun is made up mostly of gases.
00:03:39.320 And that's why the question is, how could we as humans live on the sun?
00:03:46.700 Are the gases such that we could do that?
00:03:49.760 Now, you tell me whether that makes it better or worse.
00:03:52.860 Yeah, I don't think the problem with living down the sun is the gas.
00:03:57.420 I think it's the heat.
00:03:59.300 But it reminds me, do you remember maybe six years ago, Hank Johnson, he was another representative,
00:04:05.900 and they were asking him about the Guam tsunami.
00:04:09.700 And he said, well, I got to ask you something.
00:04:12.140 Is the island in danger that if everybody went to one way on one side of the island to flee
00:04:18.420 the big waves, then there would be too much weight on Guam, and it would flip over.
00:04:23.300 And the expression on the general's face as he looked at him, he thought, okay, how do
00:04:29.740 I answer this congressperson who thinks that you can flip an island over by too many people
00:04:35.160 being in one place?
00:04:36.220 So it was in that category.
00:04:38.700 But I don't know.
00:04:40.520 I mean, we don't elect people on their intellect or their experience.
00:04:44.260 It's mostly tribalism and whether, you know, it's the House of Representatives has really
00:04:51.420 declined in its caliber.
00:04:53.840 I'm just saying that as I can remember the 1960s and 50s, at least people in the Democratic
00:04:59.760 Party were pretty good, some of the House speakers.
00:05:03.700 And you had people in the Senate like Everett Dirksen that give long, you know, lectures on
00:05:08.360 history and culture.
00:05:10.300 They were a pretty sound bunch.
00:05:12.620 We've declined in a lot of ways in the people we elect.
00:05:17.100 We don't, I don't know why it is.
00:05:18.760 Maybe it's social media.
00:05:19.880 Maybe it's too much money or maybe it's too much tribalism.
00:05:23.980 But we're electing people on who they say they represent or what, you know, their tribe,
00:05:32.360 gay, male, female, black, white. 0.76
00:05:36.200 That seems, that's a really bad idea in a multiracial democracy. 0.99
00:05:39.720 Well, the problem is we're relying on these people to help us with entitlement reform so
00:05:45.800 that we don't have Medicare and Social Security go bankrupt, to help us close up the southern
00:05:50.980 border, which, you know, the president has maintained he absolutely has to have Congress's
00:05:54.500 cooperation on.
00:05:56.000 This is who we're looking at.
00:05:56.920 By the way, this woman went to Yale undergrad and UVA law school. 1.00
00:06:03.160 OK, for those of you who still think these are esteemed institutions that somehow validate
00:06:09.720 one's intelligence, think again, because here's more of Representative Sheila Jackson Lee on
00:06:16.680 the moon being a planet.
00:06:20.600 Watch.
00:06:22.760 Today will be the closest distance that the moon has ever been in the last 20 years, which
00:06:31.580 means that's why they will shut the light down because they will be close to the Earth.
00:06:37.220 And Dr. Simmons, I didn't go too far away from the scientific explanation.
00:06:40.580 Is that correct?
00:06:41.160 Hopefully.
00:06:41.460 All right.
00:06:43.560 So I was I was near a solar system is bigger than us, though.
00:06:48.100 There are solar systems and there are systems that are smaller than the Earth.
00:06:55.040 Still, we're in a solar system and we depend on the Earth, the moon and the sun.
00:07:01.960 That is our existence.
00:07:02.820 That is what creates the our desire for creativity, our music, our weather, our rain, our snow, our
00:07:15.480 cold, our heat, that solar system working.
00:07:20.160 Some of you are going into engineering.
00:07:22.560 This is what engineering is.
00:07:24.280 We have yet to know whether you can live on the moon.
00:07:26.980 But I don't know about you.
00:07:28.080 I want to be first in line to know how to live and to be able to survive on the moon.
00:07:34.440 That's another planet which you're going to see shortly.
00:07:36.860 You're not serious.
00:07:37.680 Get the glasses on.
00:07:38.800 I'm getting ready to blow the whistle.
00:07:39.820 When I blow the whistle, get out on the field.
00:07:42.180 Get out on the field like you're going to find your own space, your own heaven.
00:07:46.420 There's going to be one.
00:07:48.180 Do we need this?
00:07:49.880 I can't.
00:07:51.740 Come on out.
00:07:52.600 Come on out.
00:07:53.940 She can't get the eclipse glasses on.
00:07:56.540 OK, you get the picture, Victor.
00:08:02.900 I do.
00:08:03.900 I think we should send her.
00:08:06.520 Yeah, I mean, she thinks the Earth is a solar system as well, and that there are solar systems
00:08:11.220 smaller than the Earth.
00:08:12.360 I don't know what that could be.
00:08:13.500 A bunch of, I don't know, nine or ten planets crammed inside the Earth.
00:08:17.880 But the thing is that...
00:08:19.460 Also completely misdescribed what actually was happening with the eclipse, with the moon's
00:08:22.820 location.
00:08:23.220 And I guess that makes sense when she thinks it's a planet.
00:08:26.500 But keep going.
00:08:29.080 Well, I think everybody got her.
00:08:31.000 When you said, you know, she went to Yale.
00:08:33.000 But Yale's like Stanford or Princeton.
00:08:35.380 And there's no SAT required now.
00:08:37.800 And everybody thinks that when we engineer, we engineered the applications this year.
00:08:42.660 So the incoming class at Stanford is 21% white of 9% white males.
00:08:48.260 I'm not...
00:08:48.780 I just picked that figure out because that's the one group that falls so far below their
00:08:54.680 demographic.
00:08:55.540 They're only one-third or one-fourth their demographic in the general population.
00:08:59.300 So when you start engineering these classes, you think that's the end of it.
00:09:02.820 But you talk to faculty or you're a faculty member and you can see what happens.
00:09:07.300 That's the beginning.
00:09:08.660 Because then you have to change the course content or you have to add new courses or you
00:09:13.180 have to do what Yale does where you give 80% of the people A's.
00:09:18.200 And if you don't do it, you come under the gaze of the DEI conglomerate.
00:09:24.040 And then they say you're systematically grading in a way that reflects bias or racism or whatever.
00:09:30.380 And so our whole society, if we're not going to have any standards of meritocracy and we're
00:09:35.140 going to adjudicate what a person says by their greater claims of victimization.
00:09:41.720 And that's what she's basically saying.
00:09:43.520 She didn't say, I apologize.
00:09:45.040 I don't know what I'm talking about.
00:09:46.440 She says that the Republicans are glomming on to me.
00:09:50.300 And she should say, I don't care if they glomm on to me or right.
00:09:52.960 I'm going to be accurate when I try to inspire young people about the world beyond Earth.
00:09:58.340 And I'll do a better job next time.
00:10:01.560 But that's not where we are now.
00:10:03.940 I have secondhand embarrassment for her.
00:10:06.760 The clip has gone everywhere.
00:10:08.560 Her explanation or clarification makes it worse.
00:10:12.600 She's also too dumb to realize that. 0.98
00:10:15.480 I'm very concerned.
00:10:16.800 It's not a problem limited to the left in Congress, in the House of Representatives.
00:10:21.320 But boy, oh boy, there are a lot of folks over in that far left part of the caucus that you'd never want to have dinner with.
00:10:30.360 Because how could you make intelligent conversation?
00:10:32.780 How do you respond to that?
00:10:35.760 I do think, though, that she's on the B scale.
00:10:41.040 Hank Johnson got the record by saying that a whole island didn't flip over when too many people crowd on one side.
00:10:47.280 That hasn't been ever rivaled.
00:10:49.380 But she came close.
00:10:51.180 Yeah, she gave it the old college try.
00:10:53.580 Okay, so that's the most disturbing thing in the news today.
00:10:57.640 Let's talk about abortion because, boy, did that burst onto the scene in a renewed way yesterday.
00:11:03.860 This is a bad, bad event for the Republican Party and for Donald Trump, what happened in Arizona.
00:11:11.320 And I understand why it happened and that they will likely fix it, I think, in Arizona, though I'm not 100% sure.
00:11:17.680 But this is going to be so exploited by the Democrats from now to Election Day, like coming to a state near you.
00:11:26.400 And it's already a problematic issue for Republicans going into 2024.
00:11:30.900 So you tell me what you think, where the court in Arizona basically found that an attempt to create a 15-week abortion ban in Arizona a couple years ago did not replace an earlier law from 1850-something that said all abortions are illegal unless necessary to save the life of the mother.
00:11:54.660 That's the only exception, and therefore it basically resurrected that law and let that be the standing law in the wake of Roe falling.
00:12:06.060 And now you've got everybody cashing in on this on the Democratic side.
00:12:11.020 I mean, they were already primed to make this the issue driving votes.
00:12:15.220 Right now, Arizona has a Democratic governor, and both chambers of the House there are controlled by Republicans.
00:12:22.160 But they're putting this on the ballot in November, and already many of these swing states are looking, the Democrats in the swing states, to make this an issue like gay marriage, which kept George W. Bush in the White House for a second term.
00:12:37.920 Karl Rove made sure that there was an initiative on the ballots back then that drove the more conservative, evangelical, and black voters to the polls for George W. Bush in numbers sufficient to get him reelected.
00:12:50.980 And that's what they're going to try to do again with abortion. 1.00
00:12:52.900 And abortion has been driving people to the polls over the past several terms since Roe fell.
00:12:58.560 So what do you make of this decision in Arizona and its likely impact?
00:13:03.820 Well, I think they can handle it.
00:13:05.420 I think Trump had a pretty good line or position that it's now up to the states, and each state has their own culture.
00:13:13.120 And it's not a national issue.
00:13:14.700 I don't think nationalizing the issue is going to be a winning argument for the Republicans.
00:13:19.500 And so if he says it's up for the states and we have a tripartite government, legislative, executive, judicial, all Trump has to say are candidates.
00:13:29.940 We don't have anything to do with the courts.
00:13:31.420 They're independent.
00:13:32.360 They're autonomous.
00:13:33.760 And we believe that it's up to the states, legislatures, to reflect the will of the state.
00:13:38.980 Okay, but wait, let me jump in and ask you something.
00:13:41.040 I agree with that.
00:13:41.820 But the problem that he's going to be facing is this issue, if on the ballot in November, will drive all the Democrats to turn out.
00:13:49.500 It will.
00:13:49.960 And so those Democrats will not only vote for their local officials, they're going to vote up and down the line for their U.S. senator, for their congressman, and for president.
00:13:59.040 And the bigger the Democratic turnout, the worse it is for the Republicans.
00:14:02.600 It is, but they're in a position where some of the members of the party went to the eight-week, and this whole chain of reaction, they demagogued the issue.
00:14:15.720 So at this late hour, all they have to say is, we welcome people to vote on it.
00:14:21.280 Whatever you want to do, vote, but it's up to you and the state, and we, as Republicans, believe that you have the right to do.
00:14:29.560 That's about the best fallback position you can have.
00:14:33.260 And if I was Trump, I wouldn't weigh in on any particular week, and I think he did a really smart thing.
00:14:38.960 I know Mike Pence got angry at him and stuff, but you go to the eight—if you let people do the eight-week ban, you're going to lose.
00:14:48.660 You're going to lose a lot of elections, and they know that.
00:14:52.000 And so they're in a bind now, and the best thing that could happen would be the court would be overruled or redefine its ruling before the election.
00:14:59.960 Yes, that's what he said, or they have to somehow make clear.
00:15:04.860 Maybe they can get a vote in the legislature.
00:15:08.600 Maybe the Republican legislature will vote on a reasonable solution that would be signed by a Democratic governor, though she has no incentive to. 0.99
00:15:17.960 But right now, abortion rights groups said last week, quoting here, that they have enough signatures to put an abortion access ballot initiative up for a vote this November.
00:15:29.100 I mean, to my point, this is what they're going to do.
00:15:31.600 They don't want the governor to sign any sort of a law.
00:15:34.600 They want it to be on the ballot.
00:15:36.080 They want to drive the turnout.
00:15:37.200 Trump was very—you know, for all of the issues that people criticized him on, this was an issue that he was pretty adroit on.
00:15:45.760 In 2016, in that debate with Hillary, he really kind of—and you remember, he drummed in the idea that the Democratic Party is abortion on demand all the way up to the point of birth.
00:15:57.500 And he said it, you know, and he got very graphic about that.
00:16:01.240 And there's only two positions for the Republicans if they're going to answer.
00:16:05.280 One is to let the states decide.
00:16:07.540 And two is that you, for humanitarian reasons, you don't allow people to have abortions that involves infanticide.
00:16:16.840 And that's all they can do.
00:16:20.060 And it's going to get important, as you point out, because the Democratic Party is not going to run on Afghanistan, the border, Gaza, inflation, crime, energy.
00:16:31.120 It has no other issue.
00:16:32.380 So it's going to be January 6th, Donald Trump in jail and abortion.
00:16:38.620 And we pretty much know that.
00:16:40.440 And then the other thing they're going to do, and we know that's going to happen, it's already happening.
00:16:43.600 They're going to have Obrador, who already said he wanted $20 billion, and he's going to be terrified of a Trump presidency.
00:16:50.480 So he's going to start on his side of the border, clamping down.
00:16:53.700 And he's done it a little bit to help Biden.
00:16:55.920 Maybe he'll get some money.
00:16:57.000 Who knows?
00:16:57.600 And then we're going to have the student loan forgiveness.
00:16:59.760 Then we're going to have the—beg the Saudis, beg the Venezuelans, take more out of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve to get oil down.
00:17:08.420 And we'll probably get a Federal Reserve effort, no matter what the inflation is, to lower interest rates.
00:17:15.920 And that's all the—and then we're going to have—turn the judiciary loose on Donald Trump.
00:17:20.860 That's pretty much their game plan.
00:17:22.200 They've set it, and it's predictable.
00:17:23.680 But this decision, of course, plays right into their game plan, right, of highlighting the issue of abortion in the most extreme way, reverting back to an 1864 law.
00:17:34.760 And then you've got comments like this, which are already making the rounds and will undoubtedly turn into a campaign ad very soon.
00:17:42.920 Mark Simone was on Larry Kudlow's show on Fox and made the following comment, which has already set the left on fire, Sot 17.
00:17:49.900 If you had to travel to another state to get an abortion, it's not the worst thing in the world.
00:17:55.000 Hopefully, this is a very rare occurrence in your life.
00:17:57.540 Once in your life, maybe you would do it.
00:17:59.520 Buying a bus ticket to go somewhere to get it is not the worst thing in the world.
00:18:05.480 Okay.
00:18:06.340 I mean, it doesn't take a political strategist to understand what's going to be done with that.
00:18:11.200 Yeah, though, I don't think, you know, I like Mark Simone, but I don't think he's going to be considered a spokesperson for.
00:18:19.460 Agreed.
00:18:19.860 And I like Mark too, but I'm just saying it'll get used.
00:18:22.780 It'll get put on loop.
00:18:23.660 This is what Republicans feel.
00:18:25.380 This is what they want for you.
00:18:26.560 Get on the damn bus.
00:18:28.220 Take, you know, you could be a young mom.
00:18:30.960 You could have two other kids.
00:18:32.140 You could have health problems.
00:18:33.260 You could have a job.
00:18:34.000 You might lose.
00:18:34.460 You know what I mean?
00:18:34.800 But I think they need to, you know, they really need part of the problem with the Republican.
00:18:40.080 It's not just that people say things that are not helpful to what they're trying to explain, but they don't they don't broadcast or they don't say what the left is saying.
00:18:50.500 So, for example, if you're in Dearborn and you have a president of the United States who is pandering to 250,000 voters and they've got a guy up on stage, this constituency, and he's quoting chapter and verse.
00:19:05.220 Ayatollah Khomeini and then how awful and horrible the United States.
00:19:10.200 And then people are interrupting him in this constituency, screaming death to America.
00:19:17.740 And Kareem Jean-Pierre doesn't want to address that.
00:19:20.460 Then that that's a very powerful thing that Republicans could focus on, because it shows you that no one on the left is coming up to defend their own country.
00:19:29.640 When you say death to America, you're talking about Americans. 0.77
00:19:32.700 They should be saying this constituency is either yelling or they're not stopping members of their constituency that they want to kill other Americans when you say death to America.
00:19:43.500 I'm going to play that in one minute, and I definitely want to get your opinion on it.
00:19:47.240 But before I leave the abortion question, to your point, the Republicans really like you can't highlight.
00:19:54.680 Mark said what he said, and it's how many people feel like.
00:19:58.120 So what? Get on a bus. That's the way democracy works. 1.00
00:20:00.780 We have a 50-state experiment.
00:20:03.220 California is not the same as Texas or Mississippi, and that's just the way it was founded.
00:20:07.900 The country was founded.
00:20:09.200 We have these little experiments going on in every state where the laws are different.
00:20:12.100 But it sounds somewhat callous, sounds somewhat like kind of head in the clouds about what women are dealing with.
00:20:18.280 On the other hand, are the extreme Dems on this issue, which will not get played on loop on channels like CNN.
00:20:25.580 But here they are.
00:20:26.920 You'll hear in places like this.
00:20:28.580 Watch.
00:20:30.100 They should be able to get an abortion if they want to. 1.00
00:20:32.740 And for some people, that is full term.
00:20:35.960 Where it's obvious that a woman is about to give birth, she has physical signs that she is about to give a birth.
00:20:42.840 Would that still be a point at which she could request an abortion if she was so certified? 1.00
00:20:47.240 My bill would allow that, yes.
00:20:48.820 Do you believe that a woman should be able to terminate a pregnancy up until the moment of birth? 0.69
00:20:53.700 Look, I think that that happens very, very rarely.
00:20:56.680 But at the end of the day, I believe that the decision over abortion belongs to a woman and a physician.
00:21:05.080 And I chose to have an abortion.
00:21:07.420 I walked proudly into Planned Parenthood.
00:21:11.960 I wouldn't have been able to do this without employing a woman's right to choose. 1.00
00:21:18.620 And I have all of this, all of it, because, because, because I was allowed bodily autonomy at 15.
00:21:37.000 I will never stop talking about my abortion!
00:21:43.880 Well, those last three for the listening audience were Tish James.
00:21:48.980 She proudly went into Planned Parenthood.
00:21:51.520 Michelle Williams, the actress at her, I don't know if that was the Academy Awards, but an acceptance speech.
00:21:57.100 And Busy Phillips was the last one who, not for nothing, but last week was celebrating Christine Blasey Ford at the release of her book and thanking her for her bravery and so on.
00:22:08.780 So that's what we're dealing with.
00:22:09.620 But that's a major piece of the Democratic Party, women who are proud of their abortions. 1.00
00:22:15.460 They want to scream it from the rooftops.
00:22:17.680 They love aborting babies all the way through the ninth month. 0.60
00:22:22.460 Don't have to have a life or a health reason.
00:22:25.020 Just, yeah, you decided not to be a mother.
00:22:27.660 So, you showed the Mark Simone clip, but if the Republicans were to juxtapose with the clips you just showed from this abortion on demand, I think most people would find that much more disturbing than even what he said.
00:22:42.480 And it depends, it's up to the Republicans whether they want to play by the McCain and Romney, George Bush, Marcus of Queensbury rules, or they want to go back to Lee Outwater when George H.W. Bush ran the Willie Horton and the Boston Dirty Harbor, the tank ad, and he destroyed Dukakis.
00:23:04.420 And after they did that, George Bush and all the Republicans said, we never want to do that again.
00:23:10.500 Bob Dold said, I never want to do that again.
00:23:12.940 That's not who we are.
00:23:14.020 And they lost seven out of the last eight popular votes.
00:23:17.220 They haven't won 51% of the presidential popular vote since 1988.
00:23:22.740 And so, it's up to them to see what they're going to do.
00:23:27.460 And I'm not arguing for a dirty campaign, but given whom they're up against, I don't think Romneyism works anymore, Doleism or Bushism or McCainism.
00:23:39.300 And Donald Trump showed that in 2016.
00:23:42.660 He made some mistakes in 2020, and there were other issues involved.
00:23:46.460 But I don't think that he's going to play by the Marcus of Queensbury rules.
00:23:50.520 So, the clips that you showed, if the Democrats go down the abortion, I think you're going to see a lot of Republicans showing things like that.
00:23:58.900 And I think they're going to be very effective.
00:24:01.320 They better.
00:24:01.680 Or they better get used to losing.
00:24:04.020 Let's talk about Dearborn now.
00:24:05.680 So, Dearborn, Michigan, this is in the wake of everything that's happening in Israel, which we're going to talk about.
00:24:10.300 But you've got this gathering at which the chant, Death to America, broke out.
00:24:21.320 And as far as I can tell, absolutely nothing's been done about it, said about it.
00:24:25.460 And the White House seems utterly disinterested in it.
00:24:28.420 But this is not Iran.
00:24:32.440 It's Michigan.
00:24:34.100 It's Michigan.
00:24:35.080 Dearborn, Michigan.
00:24:36.280 Here's a little bit of it.
00:24:37.360 Why don't we just focus more on Israel and not talk so much about America?
00:24:42.540 Because it's the United States government that provides the funds for all of the atrocities that we just heard about.
00:24:49.000 And this is why Imam Khomeini, who declared the International Day of Quds, 0.97
00:24:53.080 this is why he would say to pour all of your chants and all of your shouts upon the head of America.
00:25:01.540 Malcom X said, and I quote, 0.75
00:25:13.740 we live in one of the rottenest countries that has ever existed on this earth.
00:25:18.760 It's not genocide, Joe, that has to go.
00:25:20.940 It's the entire system that has to go.
00:25:23.860 Free, free, Palestine!
00:25:25.540 Free, free, Palestine!
00:25:28.160 From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
00:25:34.500 Palestine will be free! 0.90
00:25:36.400 The man leading that, those remarks, was Tarek Bazi, per Fox News, a Michigan-based activist associated with the Hadi Institute.
00:25:48.920 Their website says their focus is youth education and the raising of productive, positive, and proud Muslims.
00:25:55.500 The best way to accomplish this is to teach by example.
00:25:59.000 The guy runs a Montessori school.
00:26:00.400 So that's what he's teaching in his school.
00:26:04.400 By example, death to America, we're the problem, mention the Ayatollah there. 1.00
00:26:10.740 That's what's on the other side.
00:26:12.940 Yeah, I mean, he begs the question, why stay here?
00:26:16.600 If he says it's the most rottenest country, he's going to quote the arch hostage taker of all time, Khomeini. 0.98
00:26:24.040 Why did they want to stay here?
00:26:25.920 Why do people from the Middle East that feel that way, why do they come over and why do we let them in? 0.99
00:26:31.380 I think they're very afraid, though, because I think they feel there's going to be, they have a rendezvous with a reckoning.
00:26:37.560 Because I think the American people, when they see the Manhattan Bridge shut down or the Golden Gate Bridge shut down during commuter traffic,
00:26:44.640 or they see Easter and Christmas services disrupted in churches,
00:26:49.580 or they see the Lincoln Memorial or a Veterans Cemetery in Los Angeles defaced,
00:26:55.220 or they see Jews running into a library for their life,
00:26:59.260 at some point people say, okay, that's enough.
00:27:02.640 And I think the Biden administration is really playing this wrong.
00:27:06.240 They're so obsessed on this mythical 250,000 people that they are alienating.
00:27:12.620 A lot of people are getting angry.
00:27:14.260 And we know what's coming, Megan.
00:27:15.860 If Donald Trump is going to be elected, first of all, they're going to have a ban on not just Muslim countries,
00:27:22.580 but Venezuela and probably Cuba, as they did in North Korea, but also Gaza and the West Bank and Syria,
00:27:30.840 and probably Iran as well.
00:27:34.160 And then anybody who's on a student visa and breaks the law, and many of them have,
00:27:38.600 will probably be just politely, they're not going to deport them.
00:27:41.840 They're just going to say your visa is no longer valid.
00:27:44.220 We suggest you go before you're subject to arrest.
00:27:47.980 And I think that would make a powerful,
00:27:50.000 all of this is based on the idea there's not going to be any repercussions.
00:27:53.400 And we're starting to already see that the radical Palestinians that were Pomona College or Vanderbilt, 0.83
00:28:00.520 all it takes is just a smidgen of vertebrae on the back of a college president.
00:28:06.160 When that college president Pomona said, well, I've got 10 minutes, it's your choice.
00:28:10.300 If you want to keep doing this, those of you who are not students at Pomona, you get off the campus,
00:28:16.000 and if you break the law, you'll deal with law enforcement.
00:28:18.940 Those of you who are, in 10 minutes, you're going to be expelled or suspended.
00:28:23.960 And that really sent a message.
00:28:25.780 And it shows you that this is all an illusion.
00:28:28.540 These people who are protesting feel they have a blank check,
00:28:31.540 they have radical majority support, and that's not true.
00:28:36.320 And I think people are finally just saying, you know,
00:28:38.880 we put people in prison that went into the Capitol,
00:28:42.560 and we have people going into the Senate restaurant.
00:28:46.100 We had Representative Tlaib leading a demonstration that was disrupting right in the rotunda.
00:28:53.780 And we have broken up Senate hearings with these protesters,
00:28:57.760 and we're going to apply the same rules that we did to the January 6th people.
00:29:01.280 And if a politician or president were to do that, and I think that may happen,
00:29:06.140 they would have overwhelming public support.
00:29:09.740 Victor, here's what's crazy.
00:29:11.140 We had the FBI investigating parents literally for speaking too long at the microphone
00:29:20.300 at their school board meetings or for not putting on their mask
00:29:25.560 to tell teachers and school board members that they were unhappy with COVID policies
00:29:29.820 or overreaches on race or gender.
00:29:32.480 The FBI got sicked on them.
00:29:34.380 This guy and all the people in Dearborn chanting death to America doesn't look like there's anything,
00:29:41.980 or at least here's what Corrine Jean-Pierre had to say about it when asked in SOT 14.
00:29:47.280 Is the president at all concerned that Dearborn is becoming,
00:29:51.060 is facing a risk of becoming a hotbed of any sort of homegrown threats?
00:29:55.560 I don't have any intelligence to share with you on that.
00:30:00.460 Obviously, that's something that we're always very vigilant about,
00:30:04.040 but don't have any national intelligence to share with you.
00:30:08.020 By the way, Corrine Jean-Pierre saying,
00:30:09.760 I don't have any intelligence to share with you on that.
00:30:11.680 We should just put that on loop.
00:30:12.820 That can be her answer for almost everything.
00:30:15.160 Yeah, it is.
00:30:15.800 All she had to say is that we deplore anybody who is on American soil
00:30:19.860 calling for the death of all of us.
00:30:21.520 That's not a, that's a no brainer.
00:30:23.680 One good thing about all of this, Megan, it's really dispelled all of these myths.
00:30:29.160 Myth number one was you can hate Israel, but you're not anti-Semitic.
00:30:33.440 When you see Jewish students that are chased down or Jews on the street,
00:30:37.200 nobody asks them whether they're for Israel or not.
00:30:39.660 So that, that's gone now.
00:30:41.280 They have conflated.
00:30:42.840 And if you're, these people who are demonstrating do not just dislike Israel,
00:30:47.760 they dislike Jews and they're not shy about it. 1.00
00:30:50.800 And number two is we've always told, well, the Hamas doesn't represent the people of Gaza.
00:30:55.760 But every single demonstration, they mouth, basically the Hamas charter polls show that
00:31:02.260 Hamas has about 74 or 75% of support on the West Bank.
00:31:06.960 And then the third myth is the people who are protesting on behalf of Hamas or on behalf of Gaza
00:31:16.200 are very patriotic Americans and they love this country.
00:31:19.420 And I doubt that.
00:31:20.900 I really do.
00:31:21.700 And I think a lot of them are not even American citizens.
00:31:24.240 They're here on visas or work or student visas. 0.99
00:31:26.840 And I think people, I think they've really hurt their cause.
00:31:29.580 And I think a lot of people are going to wise up because you can't continue to allow this group
00:31:34.700 to do that.
00:31:35.920 And what I mean by deface things, disrupt.
00:31:38.300 They're starting to win the propaganda war.
00:31:41.860 Just a quick look at Dearborn, Michigan, a couple months ago in the protest there, Victor,
00:31:46.360 to give you and the audience a better sense for what's happening.
00:31:49.060 What I'm sure these people would just listen to were in this mass of folks who took to
00:31:52.480 the streets.
00:31:53.000 Watch this.
00:32:02.020 It's thousands, thousands of people on the streets of Dearborn with Palestinian flags.
00:32:08.560 Thousands.
00:32:08.840 So that's that's Dearborn, Michigan.
00:32:11.240 That's not, you know, that's not over there in Gaza.
00:32:14.520 And that the policy that the White House is now shifting to seems to be giving them exactly
00:32:21.540 what they want.
00:32:22.260 Right now, Joe Biden's calling for a unilateral declaration of a ceasefire by Israel, six to
00:32:28.540 eight weeks, zero conditions.
00:32:30.380 You don't have to give us back what I understand are now our last five living Americans over 0.99
00:32:36.560 there who have been taken hostage, 33 dead right from the beginning.
00:32:40.260 It was eight, then three more died.
00:32:42.260 So that's at least 36 dead.
00:32:44.120 And now we still have five in captivity.
00:32:45.780 No, keep them.
00:32:46.460 It's no problem.
00:32:47.280 Just Israel, stop your stop your shooting. 0.88
00:32:49.760 Let, you know, the humanitarian aid go through and absolutely no conditions.
00:32:53.780 They're getting what they want.
00:32:54.900 Yeah, they are, but I'm not sure they're going to get what they want in November.
00:33:00.840 I still think most Americans, when I look at the polls, about 65 percent support Israel
00:33:06.000 and about 35 percent, you could say, support Hamas.
00:33:10.360 And when you look at the Jewish community, it's not 250,000 voters.
00:33:15.780 It's probably nine million citizens and probably four to five million voters.
00:33:21.300 And I understand that a lot of them have died, the majority are diehard Democrats, but I think
00:33:27.120 you're going to get the largest defection.
00:33:29.340 And that could be 30 or 40 percent of the Jewish donor class and voters.
00:33:34.320 It may not make a difference to New York and California, but it may make a difference in
00:33:39.680 Wisconsin and Minnesota and Michigan.
00:33:44.000 And so, I mean, remember, we've got to keep things in context.
00:33:48.400 This is a Democratic state, and it is an incumbent president, and they are running either neck
00:33:57.260 and neck or behind, and they're so desperate that they're risking alienating the traditional
00:34:03.200 base of the Jewish American base of their party to pander to 250,000 votes.
00:34:09.600 I don't see it as confidence.
00:34:10.940 I think they're absolutely desperate, and they're willing, but this administration is
00:34:16.780 willing to do anything.
00:34:18.420 They're going to basically betray our strongest ally in the Middle East, and they're trying, 1.00
00:34:23.540 remember their use, when we were growing up, at least my generation, there was the ugly
00:34:27.240 American.
00:34:27.880 The left said, we always intervened, and the Dominican Republic.
00:34:30.960 We overthrew the government of Honduras.
00:34:33.480 We went into Chile with IT&T.
00:34:36.040 And now what are we doing?
00:34:38.540 We're overtly trying to overthrow the elected government of Israel and interfering their internal
00:34:44.100 politics.
00:34:45.180 We know that.
00:34:46.340 And so they are really doing things that I think are going to boomerang in November.
00:34:51.440 I just don't think people want this.
00:34:53.440 This administration is so desperate, whether it's on abortion or pandering to radical Arab
00:34:59.900 American pro-Hamas voters.
00:35:01.680 And it's not a sign of confidence.
00:35:05.540 I don't even think it's a pathway to success.
00:35:09.860 Kamala Harris, similar to Blinken, had this warning for the Israelis last week.
00:35:15.320 And sure enough, now we get this announcement that Israel, for now, is not going into Rafa,
00:35:19.940 but watch.
00:35:21.720 It was a candid and frank conversation.
00:35:24.220 And we have made clear, and the president has made clear, of course, that we will support
00:35:29.380 and make sure that Israel is never left without an ability to defend itself.
00:35:35.280 At the same time, if there are not changes to their approach, it is very likely we're going
00:35:41.520 to change our approach.
00:35:44.260 There it is.
00:35:45.080 She's telling them what to do.
00:35:47.180 Yeah, that'll be very interesting.
00:35:48.500 We'll see what she does.
00:35:49.740 But if come June or July, they announce they're cutting off 155-millimeter shells or javelins
00:35:57.780 or replacement Patriot missiles, and they get into a big war with Hezbollah, there's going
00:36:03.180 to be outrage at what they're doing.
00:36:05.940 And I think let them try to do it.
00:36:08.940 And I think it's not a wise thing to betray Israel after what happened on October 7.
00:36:15.480 And we know what's going to happen if they can't go back into Gaza. 0.98
00:36:20.760 We're going to hear from Hamas very soon that they won. 0.99
00:36:23.940 And they're going to say that on the greatest days, we killed more Jews than any day since 1.00
00:36:28.240 the Holocaust. 0.58
00:36:29.200 And here we are, intact.
00:36:31.220 We're still here.
00:36:32.460 And we're going to come back stronger than ever.
00:36:35.780 And there's 100,000 Jews along the Lebanese border, and they're homeless.
00:36:41.680 And they can't go back because of Hezbollah. 0.99
00:36:43.860 And so that's what they're going to do.
00:36:46.440 And unless they're allowed to finish the job, it's going to be a victory for Hamas. 0.99
00:36:50.860 And that's a defeat, not just for Israel, for us too.
00:36:54.440 Because Hamas, as we saw from their satellites in Dearborn, they're antithetical to the whole 1.00
00:37:00.380 American, what America stands for.
00:37:02.500 And, you know, there has to be a lot of social censor for anybody who gets up in a podium
00:37:09.960 and leads people to say death to America.
00:37:13.120 And then the president of the United States and his administration are pandering to such
00:37:17.840 a degree that they can't even condemn that whole movement.
00:37:21.560 Right.
00:37:22.560 And, uh, right.
00:37:24.140 I don't know.
00:37:24.980 Again, I say, like, oh, parents had the FBI sicced on them at a church out in California
00:37:31.480 for not wearing their masks during the COVID pandemic when they went to worship at school 0.93
00:37:36.840 board meetings for objecting.
00:37:38.700 And yet, death to America?
00:37:41.700 Eh, well, anyway, we'll get back to you.
00:37:43.640 Uh, let me take a quick break and then we'll come right back and we'll talk about her, her
00:37:48.100 warning, speaking of Kamala Harris, about basically democracy's over. 0.95
00:37:51.900 If you don't reelect her and her boss, Joe Biden, stand by.
00:37:59.140 One of the things that's happening in our country right now with respect to this conflict,
00:38:02.960 Israel, Palestine, Hamas, as, um, yes, these lefties who we just saw on Dearborn are marching,
00:38:10.840 saying things like death to America, but also on the right, there's a considerable growing,
00:38:18.020 dare I say, faction that is making the case that Israel's gone too far or that this is
00:38:27.420 not America's interests to be supporting Israel in this conflict at all.
00:38:32.880 And even in some cases, making the case that Christians should not be in favor of America's
00:38:39.940 support for Israel here, given the death toll and given its residual effects on Christians
00:38:47.120 in Israel.
00:38:48.520 And if you go online for two minutes, you'll see this debate breaking out within the Republican
00:38:53.920 party about whether this is, whether we have any proper role in this conflict, whether it's
00:39:00.460 supporting Israel.
00:39:01.360 We're not, obviously, nobody's calling for our boots to be on the ground, including Israel, 0.99
00:39:04.520 Israel. But the support that we're giving, is it appropriate? Should we get out? And is there some
00:39:08.580 growing divide between Christians and Jews?
00:39:14.120 I think a lot of it's based on ignorance. I really do, because if anybody, I've been to Israel a lot
00:39:20.220 in the West Bank, and if anybody goes to, say, Bethlehem, or they go into Lebanon, what's happening all
00:39:27.020 over the Middle East, Megan, is Christians are being ethnically cleansed. If you look at the population,
00:39:33.880 I think, of Bethlehem in the late 90s, I went there as early as the 70s. It was 80, there were 70 or 80%
00:39:43.580 Christian. It's down to about 10 or 20%. And the same is true of villages in Lebanon. And so, Christians 1.00
00:39:51.400 themselves, not their spokesmen who have to... The problem we have when we have Christians in 1.00
00:39:57.220 the Middle East that are living in Gaza, and there's not many, they've been ethnically cleansed 0.98
00:40:02.940 from Gaza, most of them. But if they're speaking in Syria, or they're speaking in the Palestinian
00:40:10.100 authority, they're terrified. And everything they say is monitored. So, mostly the Christians are very 0.99
00:40:14.860 anti-Israel, the spokespeople. But when you look at actual events on the ground, they have fled.
00:40:20.480 They either go to Europe, or mostly to America, or Israel. I think Israel is getting close to having 0.92
00:40:26.220 200,000 Christians. And they're not people who were there in 1947, necessarily. Most of them
00:40:32.960 came to Israel as the refuge from religious persecution by Muslim governments. And I think
00:40:40.740 most of the evangelical community that I know of is still very pro-Israel. I think what we're talking
00:40:46.020 about is the libertarian right intellectual movement. And I understand, you know, I know that Tucker
00:40:52.460 Carlson has voiced some things. Candace Owens has. The Cato Institute's been really vocal. There's some
00:40:59.080 people on that website who've called for breaking relations almost with Israel. But I don't think it
00:41:05.220 represents most Christians, much less most Americans. But I don't know quite what their arguments,
00:41:11.400 because I've seen so many of them, you know. It doesn't take a lot of brains to say, there's 500
00:41:17.560 million people in the Middle East, and there's 12 million that live on a democratic government. And
00:41:22.040 that is the only democratic constitutional system there. And when you go to Haifa, or Jerusalem,
00:41:28.200 or Tel Aviv, and I have been to every Arab country in the Middle East, and you go to,
00:41:34.280 except Emirates, I haven't been there. But if you go to Tunis, or you go to Tripoli, or you go to Cairo,
00:41:43.480 and these are moderate countries, you go to Jordan, you go to Baghdad, you go to Beirut,
00:41:49.000 you go to Damascus, and then just compare it, going to Haifa, for example. And it's just night and day.
00:41:56.840 None of these people who are saying death to America, if they dare to go back into their own
00:42:01.720 countries, and they said death to Assad, or death to the Palestinians, or death to Hamas,
00:42:07.080 they would be killed, or they'd be in jail. But they wouldn't, if you're in Israel, 0.99
00:42:11.880 and you say death to Netanyahu, you're not. And so, it's not Muslim-Christian, it's just an 0.97
00:42:18.840 empirical difference between a free society that lives by the rule of law, and its neighbors who do
00:42:25.720 most, for the vast majority, do not. And anybody on the right who can't make that distinction is,
00:42:32.760 I don't think, I don't know what you do with them. But it's a no-brainer.
00:42:39.000 Our audience should know, in addition to the classics that you teach, you're an expert in
00:42:44.120 warfare. You've written a lot of books on it, you've studied a lot of conflicts, seen how they played out.
00:42:50.280 And I heard you on your show, which I love, talking about this, yes, you've talked in the
00:42:57.000 past about proportionality, but you were talking about the extreme response to Israel after it,
00:43:05.160 I don't know if the word is inadvertently, but mistakenly killed these central kitchen workers.
00:43:11.560 Their ban was labeled, it was clear that they, or should have been clear that they were not
00:43:16.520 combatants for Hamas. But Israel made a mistake, and they fired two people over it. But still,
00:43:22.440 you've got innocents now who are dead. And this has led to President Biden, many others saying,
00:43:28.920 that's it. Like, you've got to change it. That's the Kamala Harris soundbite. You've got to change
00:43:32.600 your tactics, or we're going to change ours. And, you know, you brought your hefty dose of reality,
00:43:37.720 if we want to take a hard look at civilian deaths in a war conflict.
00:43:42.040 Well, I mean, I walked through Fallujah about a year and a half after we retook it,
00:43:49.080 and it looked like a moonscape. And we were doing all we could not to kill civilians that were
00:43:54.760 intertwined within the sons of the Baathist and ISIS. And we leveled Mosul, or actually the Iraqi forces,
00:44:04.120 with our help and air power leveled Mosul. And I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn say anything. I didn't
00:44:10.280 hear anybody in Dearborn say, my God, we stand with Chechnya. Putin, when we had the second 0.52
00:44:17.320 Chechnya war, he leveled Mosul, leveled it. It didn't even exist. I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn
00:44:23.480 say a word. I didn't hear anybody in Dearborn ever object to what the Taliban were doing to women. I 0.96
00:44:31.320 really didn't hear that. And so I don't hear anybody talking today. There's a million Muslim
00:44:36.600 Uyghurs in China that are being oppressed. I hear Blinken talking about it and equating the
00:44:41.240 Gazans with the Uyghurs, but I don't hear anybody in Dearborn. So there's something else is what I'm 0.72
00:44:46.760 trying to say going on. And when you look at the usual ratio, it's three or four civilians to one is
00:44:52.680 pretty good. I don't mean anything's good in urban warfare, but there's outside observers who've come
00:44:58.600 back and said the number of actual militants, terrorists, combatants who were killed versus
00:45:06.600 civilians is about one to one or 1.5 to one. And that shows you that's a great deal of care.
00:45:14.440 And you know, the other thing, it's very, it's really bizarre, Megan. We have two wars going on,
00:45:20.280 and I haven't heard anybody on the left, and I haven't heard this administration say to Mr. And I
00:45:25.480 support Mr. Zelensky's right to defense. I'm glad we give them weapons. And I break with some people
00:45:30.840 on the right. I don't want to go into Moscow or attack Russia on the offensive, but to defend
00:45:36.040 themselves, they have a right. But have you heard anybody say, Mr. Zelensky, you need a wartime 0.55
00:45:42.200 bipartisan government, just like we made Mr. Netanyahu do? No, he canceled elections. He canceled
00:45:48.120 habeas corpus. He outlawed political parties. Do they ever say to the Ukrainians, you've got to be
00:45:53.800 proportionate. Do not be disproportionate and start something. No. Do they ever say when you go back,
00:45:58.840 when you send drones into Crimea on bridges and highways to disrupt transportation of the Russian
00:46:05.560 military, you've got to be very careful about collateral damage. You've got to have collateral
00:46:11.320 damage. Now, I think it's very sad that there's been 30, maybe 30, we don't, thousand, we don't know
00:46:17.720 how many people have been killed in Gaza. We do know there's somewhere between seven and eight
00:46:23.400 hundred thousand dead, wounded and missing Russians and Ukrainians. We're beyond the Battle of Verdun
00:46:31.000 in World War I. We're getting close to the Battle of Psalm territory. And I haven't heard anybody in
00:46:36.440 this administration say, we need a ceasefire right now. This is the largest carnage that we've seen
00:46:43.640 since World War II, and it's right in Europe. And we've got to do something. Seven, eight hundred
00:46:49.240 thousand people have been destroyed. Twelve million people. Twenty-eight percent of Ukraine has left the
00:46:57.240 country. It doesn't even have 45 million. It's down to about 30 million. They're running out of manpower.
00:47:03.320 They are destroying that country. I haven't heard anything. No ceasefire talk. And yet we say to the
00:47:09.080 Jewish state, ceasefire can't be disproportionate. Got to have coalition government. You've got no 0.98
00:47:17.000 collateral damage. And it's bizarre. And everybody said, well, Russia started it. They went in there.
00:47:23.560 So what do you expect Ukraine to do? Yeah, I agree with that. And Hamas broke a ceasefire. 0.87
00:47:29.720 What do you expect Israel to do? And by the way, there's not three dozen Americans
00:47:36.440 dead, killed by design by the Russians in that conflict, right? That's what we have here. Hamas 0.99
00:47:43.480 took Americans, killed them, and still have five hostage. I got to take a break. 0.68
00:47:48.200 And why, Megan, you made a really excellent point. I feel terrible about the Wall Street Journal
00:47:53.720 reporter, but everybody is obsessed on one American hostage, and they should be, that Russia has taken.
00:48:00.680 But they don't say one word. We still have five or six American hostages that are in somewhere in that
00:48:06.440 tunnel, if not dead. I never hear Mr. Biden say anything publicly about that. So there's a big
00:48:12.440 asymmetry, and they should explain why that is on these two wars.
00:48:15.800 Yeah, they're not the same. The growing sentiment among Republicans in particular against the Ukraine
00:48:22.920 war is spilling over into the Israeli conflict, from which much less has been asked of the United
00:48:30.520 States. Israel's doing its own thing. Ukraine is asking for more and more from us. So I don't know
00:48:36.600 why they're getting lumped together. Maybe there are other reasons, but BDH is an expert on it all.
00:48:41.800 Stand by. There's more with Victor coming up ahead. The latest on the Democrats' BS claims about crime
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00:49:55.560 President Trump is out on the campaign trail before they send him to prison, which is the
00:50:00.840 goal of at least three prosecutors in Atlanta, Jack Smith and two different jurisdictions. And
00:50:08.040 next week, Alvin Bragg in New York. He is in Atlanta, Georgia, and he made a surprise stop at
00:50:14.200 Chick-fil-A. Here's a little bit of him ordering milkshakes and chicken for everyone in the restaurant.
00:50:20.280 Listen, it's a nice clip. Okay. So he's ordering, he goes, can I get 30 milkshakes and some chicken
00:50:43.640 for the people here? And then you'll see. So these were just for the listening audience.
00:50:47.800 I think everybody there was, uh, black. Uh, all the workers were black. They were not 1.00
00:50:52.760 recoiling in fear or horror at this racist president who's been portrayed nonstop that way by the media
00:50:59.480 and in Atlanta and by people like Fannie Willis. Um, he got a hero's welcome, including from this
00:51:05.880 employee. Watch this. This is like, this is what's special about Trump, right? And he gets out there
00:51:30.120 with the people and he does stops like that. Something Biden's incapable. I mean, literally
00:51:34.520 incapable of doing that's magic for him. Yeah. I, that's why I, you know, in our previous
00:51:41.080 conversation, I'm a little bit more confident because I think this is starting to look more
00:51:45.480 like 2016 than 2020. And I think the, the left was surprised in 2016. So they prepared in 2020 and the
00:51:55.400 right was surprised. And I think now they're both on level ground and that's, that speak,
00:52:00.600 that's going to help Trump. But, you know, I, I, as I said before, I live in a community that's about
00:52:05.320 90% Latino and everybody said the Latino vote, the Latino vote is conservative, but it never quite
00:52:11.160 goes to Republicans always about 35 to 40%. But I think Latino males, especially over 30, it's going 0.99
00:52:18.200 to go 50% at least. It won't matter in California, but, but it will matter on the down ballot and
00:52:24.440 congressional districts. And it might matter in places like Arizona, especially in Georgia, maybe
00:52:31.640 even Colorado and some races. So what I, I guess what I'm getting at, I think a lot of the minority
00:52:37.960 community is starting to follow the trends of a white working class that used to be in the days 0.98
00:52:44.360 of Bill Clinton, still union democratic. And they've, they got so tired of being lectured to
00:52:52.040 by these bi-coastal elites that they rebelled. And they said, we want cheap gas. We're not into your 0.86
00:52:57.560 global warming transgender DEI agendas. And everybody thought that would never happen to the Latino 0.99
00:53:05.240 Latino and black elite. But I think your point about Fannie Willis or Latita James,
00:53:11.880 I don't think they represent a lot of black people, maybe the majority, but not all of them.
00:53:17.240 And given the polarization that the democratic party has instilled, they need about 85% of the black vote.
00:53:27.720 I'm not sure they're going to get it. And I think we're just starting to see a lot of people saying,
00:53:31.880 you know what? I want inexpensive rent. I want inexpensive insurance. I want to be able to afford
00:53:38.600 food and gas. And you know what? You're, you're the black leadership's DEI for a bunch of black elites 1.00
00:53:46.440 that squabble over the anchor ship at MSNBC or the deanship at Harvard or present. That doesn't
00:53:53.240 affect me at all. And I, and I don't like you to tell me how I have to vote. And I think it's going to
00:53:59.880 surprise people. It's going to be a lot larger defection from Biden and Biden's a catalyst,
00:54:04.600 by the way, there's something about him that people don't, they're not, they don't warm to,
00:54:10.520 especially in the black community. When you know, you, you say you ain't black or put you all in 0.83
00:54:14.520 change or Barack Obama's the first black president can speak articulately, or he calls one of his
00:54:21.560 assistants boy, or uses the word Negro. He's got a whole record of that. And, you know, when you see
00:54:27.800 a lot of interviews with black average people, they don't warm to Joe Biden and they have natural 1.00
00:54:34.600 reasons not to. And I think that's going to, that's going to multiply.
00:54:41.480 It's a, it's the same as what we saw in that story from the NPR whistleblower yesterday that
00:54:46.720 hit on the free press, who said we've devoted the past almost four years since George Floyd to
00:54:53.480 DEI rules everything. It's quote, our North star, our hiring. We always have to make sure what their
00:54:59.600 race is. That's illegal. Um, and hire accordingly our programming. This is what defines us. And four 0.99
00:55:07.320 years later, what has it gotten them? Zero uptick in their black and Hispanic listenership. Zero
00:55:13.880 because unbeknownst to NPR, apparently blacks and Hispanics are interested in the same thing as whites
00:55:20.760 and Asians and everybody else, which is what's in my wallet. Can I afford my rent? What does my future 1.00
00:55:26.840 look like? And are we safe in our communities and at our border and so on? And even Joe Biden at some
00:55:32.720 level has been told that because what did he do yesterday? He gave an interview to Univision.
00:55:39.080 And when speaking in front of a largely Hispanic audience, he promised that he is looking at
00:55:47.720 an executive order to control the Southern border, not in front of a right wing or at least purple state
00:55:56.380 audience. Victor, he's talking to Hispanics and there he breaks the news that by the end of April,
00:56:03.180 he may sign an executive order that would reportedly, um, I'm quoting here on at from Axios,
00:56:09.840 um, dramatically limit the number of asylum seekers who can cross the Southern border,
00:56:16.540 just as Trump did notwithstanding the fact that he'd already told us he couldn't do anything unless
00:56:20.960 the Congress acted, but he's doing this in front of this audience for a reason.
00:56:26.200 He is. And he understands that what the elite Latino community tell him on the left is not what the
00:56:32.320 majority of Latinos. And I can tell you in this Mexican American community, when you let all of
00:56:39.060 these people and you bust them in, then what you're basically saying to people who are in Medicare,
00:56:44.860 Medi-Cal, EBT cards, WIC cards, you're going to have a lot longer for your mom to get, uh, 1.00
00:56:52.060 dialysis treatment. You're going to go in the store and there's going to be somebody who does not speak
00:56:56.400 English and they're going to have four or five cards and you're, it's going to hold you up in line.
00:57:00.460 And they're going to have cards that need to be authenticated that you're, and they don't like
00:57:05.960 it. And they look at the public schools here. Are we going to go back to English as a second
00:57:09.800 language? Are we going to have advanced placement? And so a lot of people, I don't think Biden
00:57:15.020 understands that there's such a large Hispanic community and it's third generation, second,
00:57:22.040 most of these young kids don't speak Spanish anymore. And they have, you're exactly right. 1.00
00:57:27.240 They have the identical aspirations, values as anybody else. And Biden keeps pandering
00:57:32.100 as if they're right. They just walked across the border or, and now he's trying to see that that's
00:57:38.020 wrong. And he's trying to pander the other way. But it, you know, when you listen to Kamala Harris,
00:57:45.500 does anybody really think that a black person that's middle-class and is a carpenter or is a
00:57:51.980 delivery man, or is a plumber, when he listens to her, he's going to think, wow, she's black. 1.00
00:57:58.040 I'm going to vote for the Biden ticket. She has nothing in common with them. And I think a lot
00:58:02.560 of black people and Latino are saying, you know what? Our leaders are just like these white out 1.00
00:58:07.800 of touch. They're the Pete Buttigiegs that happen to be black. And we don't have anything in common,
00:58:12.900 just like the people in East Palestine. And if that's true, Donald Trump, for all of his faults and
00:58:19.040 crudity, he did something that no Republican had ever envisioned. Not the Bushes, not McCain,
00:58:24.260 not Romney, not Bob Dole. He really tried to substitute class for race. And that was an
00:58:31.740 ecumenical idea that we're going to create a national workers, nationalist Republican Party,
00:58:38.340 and it's going to transcend race and accentuate common class aspirations. Cheap gas, fuel, affordable
00:58:47.820 energy, affordable food, affordable housing for the middle class. And if he does that,
00:58:53.660 and the Republican Party starts to be a magnet for people on the basis of class, the Democratic Party
00:58:59.940 will go completely crazy. Well, you saw today, Victor, that not only do we have, you know,
00:59:05.620 he's clearly worried about the border, as he should be, but the inflation numbers, overall prices,
00:59:11.620 overall prices today, up 19.4% under Biden. These are updated figures. The inflation report came out,
00:59:22.080 and it's worse than expected. Since he took office, gasoline, up almost 50%, 47.8%. Groceries,
00:59:30.880 up 21%. Eating out, up 21%. Baby food, 30%. Pet food, 23%. Rent, 20%. Electricity, 28%. Natural gas,
00:59:39.860 26.9%. Used cars, 20%. Airfare, 32%. Public transportation, 22%. Real average weekly earnings
00:59:48.020 down 3.9%. So that's why he's not talking about Bidenomics anymore.
00:59:54.640 I know. And people get very angry when he says, well, inflation's moderate. It doesn't matter if
01:00:00.240 it's only 3% or 4%, which is higher than it was under Trump, because he's never really dealt with or
01:00:05.240 explained why eggs or why car insurance or why rent are 20%, 30% higher than when he came into office.
01:00:13.580 He should be saying, we're going to get prices down. Why is organic milk $9?
01:00:17.340 Exactly. Why doesn't he say that we're going to get prices back to where they were in 2021,
01:00:22.620 or maybe 2%? He never says that. He just says, basically, he's telling people,
01:00:27.340 we screwed up. We made it almost impossible to live. But now, it's only getting worse a little
01:00:33.320 bit. It's not as really bad like it was. He's never saying, we're going to rectify what we did.
01:00:38.480 No, it's like the supermodel. Our economy, it was like the supermodel, who then gains 200 pounds.
01:00:45.620 And then she asks you to celebrate the fact that she lost two. Then she lost another two. And we're
01:00:51.180 we missed the supermodel version of ourselves. I know. And they think people are stupid. Even
01:00:56.820 David Axelrod said, I think yesterday, he said, Biden's got to shut up and not go talk about
01:01:02.620 building bridges or a trillion dollar new green deal or any of that stuff. And just talk about
01:01:08.000 getting prices down. And I don't think that's going to change before November. It's really, I mean,
01:01:15.160 when I go fill up, Megan, I've never seen this. I go to a discount gas thing, a rural place,
01:01:20.580 two miles from here. I'm the only non-Hispanic. And when you get in line to get in your car,
01:01:27.160 you wait. You know why you wait? Because nobody can put it on their credit card because they're
01:01:30.980 all maxed out. So you know what they do? They go into the office or the little stand and they pay
01:01:37.580 cash. And they don't pay, it's $6 now for gas here in California. They don't pay for a 20-gallon
01:01:45.700 tank, $120. They pay $10 or $15. They go back and put gas in their car. And then they think,
01:01:51.840 well, maybe I have an extra $12. I'll go back in and buy two more gallons. It's like,
01:01:58.120 and nobody, Biden has no idea what he's done to people or knew some here in California, $6.
01:02:03.780 And on the coast yesterday when I was in, yeah, it was $6.30 yesterday when I filled up
01:02:09.920 in Palo Alto on the way home. So, you know, he doesn't have any idea of the effect it has on
01:02:16.000 middle-class people. Or when you see people and it's 105 here, they can't afford the power bill,
01:02:22.260 PG&E. So they go into Walmart and use the free air conditioning and let their kids play with the
01:02:27.660 toys as if Walmart is the daycare center because the heating is so, and the cooling, the cooling is
01:02:33.620 so cheap. It's nothing. They don't have, they can't turn on their air conditioning. We have 4 million
01:02:38.000 people and 4 million households in California who haven't paid their power bill. 4 million out of
01:02:43.720 just 12, I think it's 15 million. And so what does he do? So what does he do? He comes up with another
01:02:48.640 student loan quote forgiveness program for rich college educated law school grads, med school grads.
01:02:56.080 He's trying to, like, those people are going to have to sweat and go to the Walmart to cool down
01:03:01.420 with their children. But these elites with the degrees, it's going to help them because he needs
01:03:05.440 to shore up the youth vote. And over here on the East Coast, Victor, we're going through the crime
01:03:11.160 wave and being told not just by Biden, but his most ardent supporters, it's not happening. Crime's done.
01:03:18.460 He solved it. Listen to Rachel Maddow just a couple of weeks ago.
01:03:26.080 The FBI reports that violent crime in America is at a 50-year low.
01:03:30.940 And microprime is not a thing.
01:03:32.460 And microprime is not a thing. And you live on Earth-1.
01:03:38.080 Okay, it's at a 50-year low. This is so, it's so misleading.
01:03:43.340 It's not true. I'm going to give you the floor, but I just want to show you one other thing before
01:03:47.740 I do. And that is just today. This is making the rounds online in Queens. Look at this. It's
01:03:53.860 terrible. This man comes up.
01:03:56.080 He shoves this reportedly 69-year-old woman down the stairs. She's clearly unconscious. 0.99
01:04:03.500 She was going up the stairs of a church, robs her, takes her purse, runs away.
01:04:10.240 This is, I could have polled 10 others like this. Every day we see violent crime like this.
01:04:15.500 And yet we're just told, I mean, not to mention the shoplifting and the carjackings.
01:04:19.640 And we're just told, don't believe you're lying ice. Because in Rachel Maddow's neighborhood,
01:04:23.920 things are fine.
01:04:24.920 Exactly. And we don't even go back. You could try to go on the FBI statistics. They're about two
01:04:32.020 years behind anyway. And now we get, I think, news reports the last couple of days. A lot of their
01:04:37.340 statistics are not as accurate as they say they are. But even the ones that they present us,
01:04:42.220 when you look at 2021 and you look at today, it's the same thing as you mentioned in inflation.
01:04:50.280 Crime goes out of control 21, 22, 23. And it couldn't get much higher in terms of aggravated
01:04:57.600 assault murder without being unsustainable. Then it just tapers off for a year. And they say,
01:05:03.460 crime hasn't gone down. Well, it's like saying prices are cheap because inflation was 3%.
01:05:09.960 Murders only went up 1%. That's a smaller ride. But go back to when he started and go look at
01:05:16.940 what's going on. And I mean, everybody knows it. So they're not going to run, Megan. They know it.
01:05:25.560 They're not going to run on how safe they made everybody. Just like they're not going to run
01:05:29.420 how cheap things. This is just something for the talk shows. Okay. So what they're going to run on,
01:05:36.300 there is January 6th. And threats to democracy. Exactly. Threats to democracy. And that leads me
01:05:42.000 to the Kamala Harris soundbite that I promised. Well, here's Joe Biden just to kick it off because
01:05:46.140 in that same Univision interview, he was asked, what's the biggest threat to democracy right now?
01:05:53.120 And here's how he answered. What, in your view, constitutes the primary threat to freedom and
01:05:58.960 democracy at home? Donald Trump. Seriously. Donald Trump uses phrases like you're going to
01:06:06.960 eviscerate the Constitution. He's going to be a dictator on day one. Look at the way he talks about
01:06:13.400 minority populations, Hispanics. You know, we're talking about them being... Anyway, 1.00
01:06:18.920 he says you're going to be a dictator on day one. No one doesn't believe him.
01:06:23.780 Okay. So that's the president. This is a man who said, yeah, you're not black. Called one of his
01:06:31.840 assistants. Where's my boy? He's got, we know what he said about Barack Obama. And more importantly,
01:06:38.760 this is a man who just this week basically told the nation that he's going to ignore the Supreme
01:06:45.040 Court and find a way to get around the Supreme Court prohibition of unilateral cancellation of student
01:06:51.300 loans. And this is a president right now whose party is in the Senate and they're violating the
01:06:58.240 Constitution. They've been given a writ of impeachment and they're supposed to schedule a
01:07:02.380 hearing. And Chuck Schumer is so paranoid about this because he's got Democratic senators up in
01:07:09.540 states that they're probably going to lose the election, especially they will lose the election
01:07:13.580 if they do not impeach Mayorkas, but they sanction Mayorkas and what he did to the border.
01:07:20.140 And so they're not going to hold a trial. They're going to try to postpone it. And they've never
01:07:24.160 done that before. And we haven't had never had a president who basically said the Supreme Court
01:07:29.340 got me on the first chance. I'm going to try it again. Not since FDR tried to pack the court,
01:07:34.600 which they've also argued. And when you look at the whole picture, there's one party who got rid of
01:07:40.840 the filibuster, who's trying to get rid of the electoral college, who's trying to pack the court,
01:07:45.040 who's trying to bring in new states. Their whole idea is processed. When the system doesn't
01:07:50.020 get their intended result, then they want to change the system. They're the ones that are
01:07:54.660 trying to get a presidential candidate off the ballot. They're the ones using lawfare.
01:07:59.500 Joe Biden knows that. Every time he says, pay your fair share, I always think, well,
01:08:04.900 your son is right now facing income tax fraud. Why don't you just tell him to do it before you tell
01:08:10.720 the nation to do it? I think people have had it. I really do. Joe Biden, he wasn't a nice guy. He's
01:08:19.180 not a nice person. He's very crude. He's said things that were, I think, overtly racist. They've
01:08:27.420 given him a complete pass on the way that he bothers the private space of women. He says things about
01:08:33.660 himself that are completely untrue. He makes up stories about, you know, he was Greek or he was
01:08:39.920 Puerto Rican or he was this than that or a truck driver. He's a great athlete. He was the first
01:08:44.660 person in his family ever to go to college, which is a blatant lie. He just does it every day. And
01:08:49.580 he's not as sympathetic. It's like he went to the mall food court and picked every ethnicity and said
01:08:55.120 that's how he was raised. That was a church I went to. That was my neighbor who raised me. That was my
01:08:58.960 uncle. Wait, I've got to get this Kamala Harris soundbite in, which took it a step further on this 1.00
01:09:04.640 podcast. I think it was yesterday. It's not four. I don't think it's hyperbolic to say this
01:09:10.560 genuinely could be the last democratic election we ever have. You're right. No, and I'm going to
01:09:15.520 tell you as vice president, I've now met with over 150 world leaders, presidents, prime ministers,
01:09:21.320 chancellors, and kings. And in the last three international trips I've taken, which are,
01:09:28.960 you know, going back to the end of last year through this year, world leaders have come up to
01:09:35.120 me expressing their real concern. Last democratic election ever. This is it.
01:09:43.520 This is a, this is a person who was elected after she said in June of 2020, these, after there was a
01:09:52.600 all these violent demonstrations, you know, 120 days, 35 people killed, 1,500 police officers
01:09:59.680 injured, $2 billion of damage, police precinct court, iconic church torch, trying to storm the
01:10:06.340 White House grounds to get at the president who had to go into a bunker. And she said, this is not
01:10:10.840 going to stop. It shouldn't stop. This is going to go all the way to the election. And she's talking
01:10:15.700 about disruptions to dismantle. All she had to do is say, she could have basically said, we lost the
01:10:21.660 Supreme court decision on the student loans. So we have to follow the court decision. That's all
01:10:26.100 she, are we not going to let Mark Zuckerberg put $419 million to absorb the work of the registrars
01:10:31.900 this time around that work that that's not a good thing to have in a democracy, or we're not,
01:10:36.700 we're not going to, we're going to make sure that every candidate gets on the ballot who's qualified.
01:10:40.780 We're not going to take people's names off. It's all she has to say, but she's not going to say that.
01:10:45.140 And it's, I agree that January 6 was a buffoonish riot, but it was not a full fledged insurrection of
01:10:54.340 the way that they talk about. That's a whole nother topic. But in comparison to what happened in 2020,
01:10:59.880 that was led by Antifa and BLM, it's no comparison in terms of violence, damage, arson, ruin people's 0.54
01:11:08.340 lives, death, and they know that. And so part of it is messaging, Megan. We're not, we on the right
01:11:15.180 don't message.
01:11:15.740 It's undermentioned is January 6th. It was a terrible day, but it didn't cause, you know,
01:11:21.640 for the next three and a half years, death after death, after death, after death, after death,
01:11:27.180 after death, after death, like BLM riots did because cops, thanks to the Ferguson effect and the George
01:11:34.700 Floyd effect were so put upon, were so demonized. They held back. And who got hurt? The black 1.00
01:11:40.780 community, the inner cities, black communities, some Hispanic, they, they died in greater numbers.
01:11:47.480 Heather McDonald's going to be here soon. She's going to be talking about this, not today, but
01:11:50.220 soon on the show. And she's done great work on this. And so like it's had ongoing negative effects.
01:11:56.020 I mean, deathly effects on the very communities Kamala Harris purports to be 0.95
01:12:01.140 concerned about, but there's no accountability for any of that.
01:12:05.860 Well, the person that you just saw that hit the woman and knocked her off the steps to the church.
01:12:11.820 And I think as she was laying there, he not only stole it, but she got up and went toward her car.
01:12:17.020 And then he went and stole her car, if I'm not mistaken. But he, he did that on the premise that
01:12:21.260 he's not going to be arrested. If he's arrested, he's going to have no cash bail. If he should be
01:12:27.920 incarcerated, he's going not to be indicted. If he's indicted, he probably won't be convicted.
01:12:33.040 If he's convicted, he probably will be released. That's how he thinks about it. And there's no
01:12:37.200 deterrence left. And that was part of this whole critical legal, critical race theory that the left
01:12:43.560 gave us, that the laws don't mean anything. They're constructs created by wealthy white 0.72
01:12:48.740 privileged people who warp things in their own interest. So it's, it's against a lot of steel
01:12:54.140 sneakers because some billionaire white guy doesn't steal sneakers. So he made a law so other people 0.67
01:13:00.040 can't. That's basically critical legal theory. And they know what they've done. And I think we're
01:13:06.780 going to see a lot of really desperate things go on. It reminds me so much, Megan, of 1980 when Jimmy
01:13:13.820 Carter, it was a disaster inflation, the Iranian hostage Soviets on the move. And he was neck and 0.75
01:13:20.540 neck with Reagan. And he was neck, people forget that he was neck and neck all the way to almost
01:13:25.600 October. In fact, in one poll, two weeks before the election, he was eight. And then people just
01:13:30.200 said, you know, I've had it. I don't want to hear the lies anymore. This is incompetent. And then they
01:13:35.820 just, the last two weeks, it just blew up. I think it's going to be a very close race. But I,
01:13:41.760 if Trump is smart, and he sticks to the agenda, and what he's going to do and outlines what's happened to
01:13:47.900 the country and what the solution is, I think he could really break open the election in the late
01:13:54.100 summer, really do, and win this House and Senate. He's going to be outspent. He's going to have the
01:14:00.460 media. He's going to have all the institutions against him. But if he sticks to the agenda,
01:14:05.360 and he can control what he says, there's a lot of people, and I think we've talked about,
01:14:11.340 there's millions of people out there who say, give me a reason to vote for you,
01:14:15.140 because I do not want what's going on to continue. I just need a reason to vote for you.
01:14:21.080 And I think if he can give that reason, they're going to, yeah.
01:14:24.960 So in sum, don't say too much. Thumbs up on the Chick-fil-A visits. Very good. Nice moments.
01:14:34.060 Very good.
01:14:34.920 Fight fire with fire on the abortion debate, because as controversial as some of these things are,
01:14:39.840 like the Arizona decision and soundbites like the one we played from our friend,
01:14:43.440 there are far more controversial soundbites on the other side and relating the policies that the
01:14:50.040 far left supports and Joe Biden would support if reelected. And keep driving home the message on
01:14:57.260 the economy and the border. And you know what? Let them focus obsessively on DEI, which we've seen
01:15:04.880 time after time, is a loser for them. Victor Davis Hanson, you're the wisest. You're the smartest guy
01:15:11.240 I know. I love listening to you. Well, thank you for having me.
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