00:15:23.720it's he was not effective in governing.
00:15:25.300And I think that a lot of people in the Biden administration are talking about this because they realize that he was not an effective HHS secretary.
00:15:33.380And if you ask any cabinet secretary, they would tell you the same thing.
00:15:38.020Wow. How about that? This makes a lot of sense. OK, so I wasn't familiar with that woman.
00:15:44.340I've actually been on Abby Phillips's show with her on the panel and she like gave me the stink eye the entire time, but didn't really debate me on anything.0.77
00:15:54.540so i couldn't figure out what was going on now i realized she was in the biden administration and i
00:15:58.120was criticizing the biden administration at the time anyway uh i just i don't i don't know what
00:16:04.400to make of what she has to say there it seems like she has a favorite that maybe she's looking
00:16:08.920to promote who knows uh but i just i wasn't impressed personally by his debate performance
00:16:15.160he served in the biden administration i didn't see anything stand out that was worthy of praise
00:16:20.800to be honest with you. And I think that we are currently dealing with a political system where
00:16:25.680these politicians think like this is how it's supposed to work. You know, I rise up, I pay my
00:16:31.200dues, I start low, and then I work my way to a gubernatorial position in the country without
00:16:36.880proving a damn thing about my accomplishments. That's a huge problem. No, you're not entitled
00:16:41.500to that. But it looks like people are going to go for him based on how he's doing in the polling.
00:17:14.240But it is interesting to see the knives coming out for him and him feeling defensive.
00:17:19.020He's not used to being at the pointy end of the spear.
00:17:21.480But on brand here, as we're talking about Democrat candidates who get a pass or who, you know, the machine gets behind and then they then you look at them and you're like, that's what the machine is pushing on us.
00:17:31.700That brings me to Jack Schlossberg, who is perhaps better known as JFK's grandson.
00:17:39.600son. He's the son of Caroline Kennedy, who was the sister of JFK Jr. and the daughter of Jackie and
00:17:46.240Jack. He is the son of Caroline Kennedy. And he's an absolute idiot. He's 33 years old. He is a total
00:17:55.880idiot. He went to Harvard and Yale. He's got a law degree and a business degree. And it just,1.00
00:18:02.020if there's better proof that those things mean nothing when you've got a family connection in
00:18:07.880particular, I don't know of it. So he decided to run for a U.S. House seat for the Upper West and
00:18:17.260East Side of Manhattan, my old hot, where I used to live for many years. And this is because Jerry
00:18:22.300Nadler said he was retiring. It's a safe Democrat seat. There are, I think I was the last Republican
00:18:28.660on the Upper West Side, although I lived in a building with a bunch of Orthodox Jewish people
00:18:43.440does a pretty lengthy hit piece on him
00:18:46.640and what a mess he's been in this campaign.
00:18:51.300And I'll just give you some highlights.
00:18:53.180They say, okay, he announced his campaign,
00:18:58.180his aides teed up calls with frenzied media outlets,
00:19:01.080democratic luminaries and a roster of wealthy donors. They wanted to project that he was a
00:19:06.720serious candidate ready for what was promised to be a grueling race. But just hours into his day
00:19:10.920one launch, the candidate abruptly announced a change of plans, according to three people
00:19:15.020familiar with the events. Forget dialing for dollars. Mr. Schlossberg said he needed a nap.
00:19:22.680Real. Who hasn't been there? Wow. He then effectively disappeared for the day,
00:19:28.080keeping his team reeling. And it turns out this is evidently, they write par for the course.
00:19:34.840They go on to say that he can't keep anybody on staff. They've described an operation so erratic
00:19:40.660and plagued by turnover that it raises questions about how he might handle himself as a member of
00:19:45.580Congress. Early on, he would regularly blow off weekly strategy meetings, called for his benefit.
00:19:51.120He made a habit of disappearing for long stretches with little notice or explanation.
00:19:54.520he did carve out time to swim or paddleboard in the hudson most days so don't get too attached
00:20:01.220to josh losberg because he obviously must have contracted some hideous disease no one swims in
00:20:05.740the hudson don't do that he's pushed boundaries on social media oh that's one way of putting it
00:20:11.180talking about his jizz forgive me but like okay cocktails with it okay yeah i'm sorry that came
00:20:17.000out of nowhere he's never held a job like end of story hello never never and they actually
00:20:23.180they point this out like the the times is ripping him to shreds talking about all the only thing
00:20:28.120he's accomplished is he worked for vogue as a correspondent for like a couple of freelance
00:20:35.540articles that went nowhere and then worked for john carrey for four months at the state department
00:20:40.940doing absolutely nothing and so like that's it he's 33 by this point you should have something
00:20:46.700Oh, for sure. I mean, 33, you've never held down a job. You think that it's I mean, the fact that he says out loud, I need a nap tells you everything you need to know. I mean, try try telling your boss that. OK, you're going to get no sympathy.
00:21:04.920Am I starting to like him? Something's happening inside of me. But I got a lot of years on him.
00:21:12.500Well, you've got to at least appreciate that he's saying the quiet part out loud. I mean,
00:21:17.600there's so many politicians who think the same things and still do the same things,
00:21:22.100but get away with it. So I don't know why the New York Times has it out for him,
00:21:26.060but I'm glad they do because it's important for people to know this.
00:21:28.720What gives him the entitlement to a House seat when he hasn't been able to prove himself in any place of work?
00:21:50.200He's got the former Ted Kennedy people advising him.
00:21:53.240He's got Ron Klain, who was Biden's chief of staff for a time, helping him out, advising him.
00:21:59.140Like he's got all these sort of luminaries within the Democratic Party because he's a Kennedy, although nobody knows that because his last name is Schlossberg because he's, you know, he's the son of a female Kennedy.
00:22:13.060Apparently he got nobody paid attention to this candidate forum that he participated in because no one gives a shit who represents the Upper East and West Side of Manhattan.0.97
00:22:19.240But he did participate in one and the Times went and reported on it.0.95
00:22:23.240And he got rather irritated, Anna, when the subject of his lack of any credentials or experience came up.
00:22:30.800The last six months, I've run a campaign that has introduced me to thousands of New Yorkers that I've met and gotten them incredibly excited about politics in a time when a lot of people feel very disillusioned.
00:22:41.540I think some people who know of you are wondering about your sort of your resume and what you've accomplished.
00:22:47.940And I think perhaps your answer to that question about your top accomplishments citing the campaign might, again, raise flags for people about inexperience.
00:22:55.700Do you want to say a little bit more about qualifications for Congress?
00:22:59.720I haven't met any of those people, but I'd love if you introduced me to them.
00:23:02.580I've been working in politics and in government since Obama ran in 2008, and I went to volunteer on his campaign.
00:23:07.620I worked at the State Department for Secretary of State John Kerry.
00:23:12.040While you may not think that content creation and building a following based on speaking out for what you believe in at a time when others were unwilling, taking on your own family members, traveling across the country to every single swing state, serving as a delegate at the DNC is an experience, I do.
00:23:29.720I participate in giving the Profile and Courage Award out every single year at the John F. Kennedy Library, and I pass the bar in the top 1% of the country.
00:23:37.740painful he he was a content creator that's the public service the question was what public
00:23:46.320service have you had that would recommend you for this job he's a content creator at a time
00:23:50.960when few wanted to do it well look let me ask you a serious question about this because
00:23:55.680i've been thinking about this issue for a few years now i feel like we're having a very serious
00:24:04.620competency problem in the united states in our political class oh yes and agreed what has
00:24:11.200definitely highlighted this for me yet again is how the war against iran is going because what
00:24:18.540i'm and it's not about like oh let's put the question of whether or not we should have done
00:24:23.780what we did away first i can just talk about the two different sides the united states and iran
00:24:28.340and how both sides are carrying out this war. Iran has been incredibly strategic, incredibly
00:24:35.480strategic, and they are winning this war as a result of that. And so it's not just Trump. Trump
00:24:41.300is surrounded by advisors. Trump is surrounded by career politicians in his ear telling him what to
00:24:45.920do. And I just. Do people understand how stupid our government looks on the international stage?
00:24:53.600And I don't think that's fair to the American people. I don't think that there are I don't0.99
00:24:57.260think our country is full of dumb people. I just think that our political system, for some reason,0.99
00:25:03.640seems to incentivize or attract some of the dumbest people to raise their hands and say,0.99
00:25:09.600I want to be a public servant. But they're never really public servants. Even if they wanted to be0.99
00:25:14.540public servants, they wouldn't even know how. They don't care. They just don't care. They're
00:25:18.860not really educated on how our government works, what international law is. They don't care about
00:25:23.580any of that stuff they just want a position of power and for what insider trading that's a lot
00:25:29.400of that's going on in congress so yes right now the american people are furious we look embarrassing
00:25:35.660on the international stage and it's just not right it really isn't i mean our fall from grace
00:25:40.260uh didn't happen overnight and i think we really do need to invest in better schooling and education
00:25:48.060and we got to bring back home economics like we need to teach Americans civics and civics. Yes.
00:25:54.540Like there's so many elements of public education, for instance, that have been cut out that I think
00:25:59.460we need to reintroduce again. So we raise people who can compete with people in China who could0.99
00:26:04.860compete on the international stage. We can't do it when other countries rising superpowers are
00:26:10.200investing everything they have into future generations. We're not doing any of that here
00:26:15.260the United States. These are all excellent points. I mean, and look at it doesn't matter
00:26:19.780where you go to school, because this guy, as I point out, is a Harvard law or Harvard and Yale
00:26:24.840law and business graduate. I mean, he's got all the credentials in the world. It didn't take it
00:26:29.800didn't work. So it's not necessarily about where you get your degree. It's about actually learning
00:26:34.180and becoming a smart person and being attuned to what's happening around you. When you were
00:26:38.240talking, the thing that came to mind really was social media. But social media could be both the
00:26:43.700death and the resurrection of good people in Congress. I think on the one hand, people don't
00:26:50.160want to run because they don't want all their mistakes or their missteps to be thrown in their
00:26:56.220face, you know, ad nauseum. People who have made whatever mistakes in their personal lives or
00:27:00.260their professional lives know that they're going to get dragged and they don't want to do it. It's
00:27:04.020so brutal. It's so brutal. And then at the end, even if you get the prize, what happens? You're
00:27:08.020not respected. It's not a position that's respected anymore. So why put yourself through it? And then
00:27:12.660And even if, like, the presidency is still generally respected, but you get that, you probably, you know, you might get a bullet in the head.0.97
00:27:18.460Like, geez, this doesn't sound that great.0.92
00:28:12.420Like we need to create a culture that stigmatizes that kind of dirt.0.99
00:28:18.260Yes. Right. And so because we do need to incentivize good people who want to improve the country to run for political office.1.00
00:28:26.020And by the way, what's happening to Congressman Massey right now with these.
00:28:31.360No, we're going to talk about that next. OK, yeah, because it just I think it's sick.
00:28:34.600I think it's absolutely sick. And I'm saying this as someone who disagrees with him on a lot of policies.
00:28:39.000But what I love about Congressman Massey is that he's real, he's authentic, he's a good faith actor and he's principled.
00:28:47.500It is nearly impossible to find anyone in Congress like that. So to lose him to, you know, a Israel lobby funded candidate would be absolutely awful.
00:28:59.580But we would make perfect sense. I mean, I mean, it shows you how our elections actually work, right?
00:29:05.100how money in politics is really a terrible wait hold that thought sure i want to do massey i want
00:29:11.420to do that discussion properly but i just i have one more for you on schlossberg before we leave
00:29:14.540him so one of the other things the times points out is that you know he's he's got his famous
00:29:19.120social media feed which is very nasty and had some of the examples i just mentioned um but
00:29:24.580apparently as he's been running for office he's been using it for among other uh things to
00:29:30.220plagiarize the posts of other Democrats he likes without credit. So I guess Seth Moulton,
00:29:38.940a Democrat of Massachusetts, posted something after the Maduro raid. Can we let's do we have
00:29:45.340the Seth? Oh, we have it spliced. OK, so I'm going to show you here Seth Moulton's post and
00:29:49.980spliced with with the one Schlossberg posted like the next day, which was clearly copied off of Seth
00:29:57.520Seth Moulton without credit or attribution. Watch.
00:30:00.880I'm recording this today with a serious message.
00:35:49.900And then Thomas Massey has a lawyer come out to say
00:35:52.060she was alleging this about her ex-husband
00:35:54.340and their divorce proceedings at the same time, and the judge found her so not credible,
00:35:58.520he threw out the allegations. So spare me. But man, the heft of the campaign that's been
00:36:04.740unleashed against Massey tells us what? I mean, it tells you that our elections are bought.
00:36:11.020And if you don't play nice with the Israel lobby, they'll do whatever it takes to crush you.
00:36:17.280And they'll have smear pieces written about you. I mean, that's what's happening right now as we
00:36:21.580speak. I mean, you look at the campaign funding for Gallup. What's his name? Galperin. I don't
00:36:27.680even know. Galperin. Yeah. Galperin. He's most of his money is from out of state and it's from
00:36:33.660people who prioritize Israel over the American people. I I'm kind of shocked to see that his
00:36:41.000challenger is rising in the polls. In fact, yesterday, for the first time, there was one
00:36:45.520poll that showed that he not only closed Massey's lead, but he has now, you know, passed Massey in
00:36:52.500the polling. And so what this communicates to us is that our elections and our so-called democracy
00:36:59.900isn't real, right? That moneyed interests are the ones who control everything. They get to decide
00:37:04.800who they elect. And a lobby that is far more concerned with a foreign country has more power
00:37:12.520than ordinary americans who live and care about this country live in and care about this country
00:37:17.880so we really like i just i am terrified that he's going to beat massey in the primary
00:37:23.120not only because i think it's unfair to massey who's a principled politician a unicorn really
00:37:29.060when you think about it um i'm worried that this is going to disenfranchise voters to a point where
00:37:35.360they're just not going to participate in any election and then what and then what happens
00:37:40.200Right. So there's I just don't know how to solve this other than calling for a constitutional amendment that takes money out of politics.
00:37:50.700We shouldn't allow corporate interests. We shouldn't allow pharmaceutical companies or defense contractors who are just loaded with cash to buy our elections.
00:38:01.360We shouldn't allow a lobby for a foreign country to buy our elections. But it's happening on a regular basis.
00:38:07.840and if people are wondering why americans you know have lost trust in our institutions this
00:38:13.400is a big reason why it's so true um i want to correct myself the opponent is gal rain gal
00:38:22.140g-a-l-l-r-e-i-n um and he has received
00:38:27.360form at least four million dollars or they've spent it on ads supporting him from the republican
00:38:34.700Jewish coalition. He has received money, $2.6 million at least has been spent on ads supporting
00:38:41.940him by the APAC Super PAC, United Democracy Project, all according to ad impact. And then
00:38:51.320there's more. This is one example of an APAC Super PAC ad against Massey that's airing now,
00:38:58.040What happened to Thomas Massey? He's flipped. Massey started out as a conservative Republican,
00:39:06.320but now votes with liberal Democrats. Massey flipped and voted against funding Trump's border
00:39:11.320wall. He voted against increased border patrol. And on Israel, Massey votes with AOC and Ilhan
00:39:18.060Omar again and again. Massey's a flippin' disaster. That's why President Trump supports
00:39:24.080ed galrein for congress udp is responsible for the content of this ad we're 40 40 trillion dollars
00:39:33.060in debt 40 trillion dollars the pentagon wants us to believe that the war against iran is just
00:39:39.180going to cost you know somewhere between 25 billion to 29 billion dollars that is a lie
00:39:44.520and it's going to add to our devastating federal debt which uh we are spending a trillion dollars
00:39:51.900a year servicing at this point. So, I mean, we're, we go ahead. I was just going to say,
00:39:58.160we also just got the latest inflation numbers. It's up 3.8%. Just to go back and see when
00:40:06.040president Trump took office in January of 2025, the inflation rate was 3.0. But then by January
00:40:15.860of 26th, he had gotten it down to 2.4%. And now it's up at 3.8%. And it is because of energy
00:40:24.140prices. That's obviously related to the war. Gas is up 28.4%. These numbers just came out yesterday.
00:40:31.420Food is up 3.2%. Shelter is up 3.3%. So all these costs are factored in. Inflation is going the
00:40:37.900wrong way. And yeah, we're worried about, you know, Massey and some woman who obviously is0.99
00:40:45.640trying to take him down a week before the election. I don't know what's going to happen
00:40:50.320in this race, but I do, I agree with you that a super PAC that's whose number one concern is
00:40:56.460the dollars that we send to Israel and what the United States' stance on Israel is should not be
00:41:03.240determining what's good for Kentucky or Kentucky voters or the United States of America. I mean,
00:41:09.400this is just, you know, we allow it. We allow care to spend. We allow AIPAC to spend. It's just
00:41:14.640fucking bullshit because they spend and they spend a lot and it's not for domestic interests at all.1.00
00:41:20.600It's for their own interests. And, you know, there's just the other thing I was going to say1.00
00:41:24.000when you were like, why do we get such shitty politicians is I remember where I was at Fox0.92
00:41:28.460News. I was sitting in my office, which I shared at the time with Major Garrett, when Citizens0.93
00:41:32.980United was decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. And it was this decision that declared it's free
00:41:39.380speech for these companies to spend as much as they want in these political elections. And I
00:41:43.440didn't disagree with the ruling as a legal matter, but it was a watershed moment, not just in our
00:41:48.960political spending, but in the way politics would be and who would be in them in America.
00:41:55.880because now Anna what we have is like every jurisdiction is just controlled by big money
00:42:01.660donors yes you don't have to make deals with people across the aisle because your little
00:42:06.860jurisdiction is going to be funded by two or three very rich republicans or democrats depending on
00:42:11.600where you live and you really just have to answer to them and oftentimes they don't want you to make0.97
00:42:16.060any deals and they're your they're your daddy so like you fucking do what they want and it doesn't0.94
00:42:21.560matter how much pressure gets put on you. And it allows things like this for groups like this to0.98
00:42:27.040spend unlimited amounts and, you know, get you to bend the knee for them. Now, if this guy gets,
00:42:33.840you know, the nomination, how's he going to vote when it comes to funding for Israel,
00:42:39.200which is actually becoming one of the issues that they're debating in more and more political
00:42:42.180campaigns, given the changing sentiment on Israel in America. It's like, this is how it's done. And
00:42:47.580this is a massive problem and i don't know what the solution is to that well i mean like i said
00:42:52.180i think that it's important to rein in the money in politics through a constitutional amendment
00:42:56.760that's really the only way to do it i okay so let's go back to the citizens united ruling which
00:43:02.900i agree with you was a watershed moment i just find it strange that the argument in favor of
00:43:09.540that ruling was that, well, you know, corporations are engaging in free speech by spending unlimited
00:43:18.260amounts of money in these elections and on these particular candidates. But what about the speech
00:43:23.880of the ordinary citizen? How is the ordinary citizen supposed to compete with a billionaire
00:43:29.540or a group of billionaires or with a well-funded lobby that is far more concerned with a foreign
00:43:36.460country than our own. How are you supposed to compete? And don't our speech rights matter as
00:43:40.960well? And I mean, one of the issues. Well, that's a policy argument. You're right. I would I would
00:43:46.120totally support a constitutional amendment along these lines. But, you know, the Supreme Court
00:43:49.960can't there. You basically have the right to speak, but you don't have the right to have your
00:43:53.980voice be the loudest one in the room. And so they wouldn't factor that in on how it's going to
00:43:58.300affect the little guy. That's for our lawmakers who are a bunch of P words. You know, there's
00:44:04.160just no leadership. There's no leadership. And that's, I mean, I got to admit, I don't know that
00:44:08.800much about Thomas Massey. I know he's been a thorn in the president's side and I've seen people I
00:44:13.440respect on the right say they can't stand him because he hasn't backed the president's agenda
00:44:18.740and they found it really frustrating. But I would say in a personal matter, like I respect that he
00:44:23.660has principles and he votes them. That's what I like about Rand Paul too. He doesn't go with the
00:44:29.240wind. He seems to have a real worldview and he sticks by it when he's in office. I like that in
00:44:35.580my politicians. I do. I'm much more amenable to the latest argument because I'm a lawyer. And so
00:44:41.200I'm always trying to upgrade my information and my opinions. Politicians, they run on a platform
00:44:46.000and then we expect them to govern based on what they promised. And I see what's being done to
00:44:51.400him. They're clearly trying to tear him apart because of his stance on Israel, or at least
00:44:56.040that faction is trying to tear him down and they're pouring so much money into this race
00:45:00.040and they're it's working and it's disturbing it is disturbing one final thing i'll say about massey
00:45:04.800you know people keep bringing up that he is a thorn in trump's side but make no mistake this
00:45:11.160isn't because they have like significant ideological differences per se the only areas
00:45:17.260in which congressman massey votes against trump's agenda is when he sees that the legislation is
00:45:23.580going to add to our federal debt, which is a problem. It just is. And, you know, to be honest
00:45:28.900with you, Megan, I mean, ever since I've been an adult and I've been working in the field I work
00:45:33.380in, I've heard Republican members of Congress talk about the federal debt, talk about the deficit
00:45:39.000over and over again. But they never seem to really care about it after they get elected.
00:45:44.420Thomas Massey, they don't care. Thomas Massey is different. And so that principled stance,
00:45:49.820I think is relevant. And also he's willing to work with the other side when there is common
00:45:55.840ground on behalf of the American people. And yes, I'm talking about the release of the Epstein files0.62
00:46:00.540that was promised to the American people by the Trump campaign. But Trump didn't want to release
00:46:05.640the files. And Massey was brave enough to step up to the plate, work with Marjorie Taylor Greene,
00:46:12.260work with Ro Khanna, do what it what was necessary to get those files released. Now,
00:46:17.020we don't have the full files yet. But still, what he managed to do is admirable. And there's no way
00:46:22.740in hell his political opponent in this primary race would do the same. Yeah. And we have seen
00:46:28.840actual things happen as a result of it, more so in the UK than in America. But a lot of folks have
00:46:35.060been outed as doing nefarious things in those files. And we wouldn't know about it if it weren't
00:46:40.980for the push to make that law, now that the law has a huge exception in it, that they're exploiting
00:46:47.280to withhold certain documents. But I mean, they should be careful in withholding too much because
00:46:52.080when we get a Democratic administration in there, if they're withholding stuff that makes
00:46:57.340Republican donors look bad, et cetera, what do you think the next administration is going to do?
00:47:01.500So in any event, it's good that we got the law passed. We'll see what happens with this
00:47:05.060this particular primary. I want to mention, we talked just a second ago about inflation
00:47:11.180and how much it's rising now. And obviously, everyone's looking at this just because they
00:47:17.240care about their wallet, and they also care about it politically. What is it going to mean
00:47:21.720if it keeps going through the summer, into the fall, and into the midterms?
00:47:26.920Well, President Trump was on camera on Monday, and he was asked, was it Monday? Yeah, I think so.
00:47:33.980He was asked a question, do we have it?
00:47:36.700Yeah, about whether he thinks about Americans' financial situations when he's dealing with the Iranians in the context of these settlement talks.
00:47:47.700And this has gone everywhere now as a potential campaign ad that's going to be used against him.
00:47:51.960I have my own thoughts on it, but I want to get yours, too.
00:47:54.680When you're negotiating with Iran, Mr. President, to what extent are American financial situations motivating you to make a deal?
00:48:01.960Not even a little bit. The only thing that matters when I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't think about American financial situation. I don't think about anybody. I think about one thing. We could not let Iran have a nuclear weapon. That's all. That's the only thing.
00:48:20.340OK, so there's no question that that answer will be cut and will wind up in ads by all Democrats opposing any Republican going into the midterms and maybe beyond.
00:48:32.740Right. Anybody who worked for the Trump administration may have to answer for that in 28.
00:48:36.520I don't think about the concerns of Americans at all, the financial concerns.
00:48:39.240But I do think the president is being taken out of context a bit on this because the question was about when you're doing the negotiations with Iran and trying to settle the war.
00:48:48.580And I think it's fair for a commander in chief to say in that moment. No, I'm just thinking about I can't let this opponent, this this country I see as an opponent, as an enemy, get a nuclear weapon. That's why I launched the war. This is Trump's story. So I actually think he should be more careful with his language because it's going to get used against his people.
00:49:08.420But I do think on this particular one, the president's being unfairly bashed.
00:49:12.580However, it's also true that he needs to be more focused on what's happening with the people's economy, with their with their pocketbooks, Anna, because that's all they seem to care about.
00:49:23.120They don't like this war. They don't like what he's doing on virtually any issue and not virtually on any issue.
00:49:29.180He's not above water on any issue. And we've got six months to go for him to try to change that.
00:49:35.140your thoughts on it. I definitely disagree with you in terms of him being taken out of context
00:49:39.900because he's the president of the United States. And so he has to consider the context of what
00:49:45.940he's doing. And he genuinely believes and I can't even believe this because the whole thing with the
00:49:53.000enriched uranium is a cover story by the Israelis. Israelis just wanted to go to us into war. So we0.82
00:49:58.260do regime change or yes or turn Iran into a failed state. But I guess he has been surrounded
00:50:04.780with so many pro-Israel people fear mongering and pretending to care about Iran's enriched uranium
00:50:12.020that he's starting to believe it to the point where he thinks that is more important than the0.55
00:50:18.020absolute devastation and destruction that he is bringing to the American people by being involved
00:50:23.820in this illegal war so i just i i'm not going to give him a pass on this at all any president who
00:50:29.980says i don't think about americans financial situation not even a little bit that's not a
00:50:35.700good president your number one priority needs to be the american people macro you know he was
00:50:41.740saying in this particular context that's not where i think i think if she had phrased it
00:50:44.940what do you ever think about americans economic situation question mark the answer would have
00:50:51.320been very different. I hope so. He's got to be careful. He's the president and it's going to be
00:50:55.740held against him. Right. I hope so, too. Always a pleasure, my friend. Great to see you. Keep
00:51:00.060giving him hell. Thank you. Good to be here. All right. Up next, really looking forward to0.98
00:51:05.080my very first conversation with Gregory Bovino. He's ready to talk very openly about the border
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00:52:13.760Gregory Bovino was one of the most visible faces of the Trump administration's hardline border strategy.
00:52:19.340If he had it his way, there would not be even one illegal immigrant left in this country.
00:54:13.780I'm involved with some and not others, but I'm not going to get ahead of the president on this.
00:54:17.540So he says he's not going to get ahead of the president when asked if they're getting ready to give amnesty to some faction of the illegals, which, you know, everybody was like, what?
00:54:29.680Did somebody jump into Tom Homan, who we love, into his head and like reprogram things?
00:54:53.120He wouldn't just say we want all the illegals out and that's our goal.
00:54:56.500He said, I don't want to get ahead of the president when specifically asked whether there's an amnesty deal potentially in the works.
00:55:03.740So then I asked my team, Gregory, I'm pretty sure that Holman has said in the past when asked the same question, no, all illegals have to go and was never hesitant to say all illegals have got to go and didn't try to hedge like I'm not going to get ahead of the president.
00:55:20.260And this is what we found when we look back to see his rhetoric on that issue.
00:55:25.480If you're in a country illegally, you're on the table.
00:55:28.860Every time you enter this country illegally, you violate a crime under Title 8, United States Code 1325.
01:01:08.120Did the crazies on the streets of Minneapolis win?
01:01:12.720You know, I think it's got a lot to do with those that are advising Trump.
01:01:16.560I've always said that President Trump was the best case scenario we've ever had for both border security and that interior enforcement piece.
01:01:36.200I think you know what a rhino is, Megan.
01:01:38.540And I think that he gets a lot of pressure or a lot of bad advice from some of those individuals that don't truly see what's at stake or perhaps they don't care what's at stake.
01:01:50.020So when they dismantle a roving patrol, when they dismantle that hard-line immigration enforcement, the effects are noticeable immediately.
01:02:01.300They're actually moving border patrol agents, actually the second iteration of several hundred border patrol agents to Laredo, Texas, because that border is starting to get out of control.
01:02:13.360Just two days ago, about 490 border crossers.
01:02:17.000If you take a look at approximately a year ago, when we were doing those roving patrols in the interior, oftentimes this border crosser numbers would be 90 to 100 a day.
01:02:28.280Now they're 490, approaching 500 a day, and a lot more gotaways coming across the border.
01:02:34.740So, you know, and the reason the reason why you stated it and we pulled this article, which I feel like you're you're going to agree with every word of this, but you'll tell me is as follows.
01:02:47.820This is posted to the Substack Old Patrol HQ.
01:02:51.660Old Patrol HQ is a retired Border Patrol agent of 25 years who just delivers unfiltered truths.
01:03:33.020They write, he goes on to say, let's say, I'm just going through the highlights.
01:03:37.680Men like former ICE director on Borders R. Tom Homan and CBP Commissioner Rodney Scott
01:03:41.920are widely respected and revered for their careers in immigration enforcement and their
01:03:45.420public stances on immigration, especially during the Biden auto pen presidency.
01:03:50.800And they've spent years sounding tough on TV.
01:03:53.180They say publicly how all illegals everywhere are, quote, on the table.
01:03:57.400But then says, and while it's absolutely true that the border has been more shut down,
01:04:01.800secured as another matter entirely, in this administration, even they are firmly loathe
01:04:08.020and reluctant to break the boundaries of this social contract. Enforcement priorities have
01:04:13.120almost always focused on criminals. Recent border crossers with detainers are those already in the
01:04:17.820system. And then reiterates, though, that illegal aliens have to commit rape, murder, or some type0.67
01:04:23.920of heinous crime before they are targeted for arrest and deportation. Because we've agreed,1.00
01:04:30.580We've basically agreed that if you don't commit an additional crime, you can stay.
01:04:34.620And he goes on to say, this is exactly why you became radioactive, because you were pushed
01:04:39.620out because your approach exposed the uncomfortable truth everyone else had been ignoring.
01:04:44.980America no longer seems to have the will, the stamina, the drive, or the desire to chase
01:04:49.160down millions of illegals who are now already on detainers or warrants.
01:04:52.980The country has quietly accepted a de facto amnesty for anyone who stays out of trouble.0.99
01:05:00.080That's so true. Is that totally true, Gregory?
01:05:03.680It is in many aspects. I'll tell you, it's easy to talk tough when Biden's in office or Hussein
01:05:09.300Obama was in office or Hillary Clinton in office. It's mighty easy to talk tough. But when it comes
01:05:15.620to actually putting hands on those illegal aliens and deporting, you start seeing it starts
01:05:21.860separating immigration officers from politicians, immigration officers from people that like to
01:05:28.520talk tough, but when it comes down to actually doing that work, missing in action. A lot of
01:05:34.120those individuals you mentioned, I never heard from them for a year. For a year, while we were
01:05:40.140in the field at an operation at large throughout those six cities, never heard from them for an
01:05:44.660entire year. It was on us, on us to do this mass deportations, which was fine. That's good. We'll0.78
01:05:51.780accept that. But a lot of work to be done. As far as the will, do we have the will to do this?
01:05:57.700Well, if you talk to everyday citizens, it sure seems that we do. I run into citizens every day that say, hey, you're going back in the field to do that, right? This isn't over, right? 90% of the people that I talk to want that done.
01:06:15.40095% of all immigration officers, I'm talking the rank and file there.
01:07:12.000What made the difference here? Because President Trump, he doesn't scare easily. That's true. And but, you know, the stories out of Minneapolis were dominating the news, the lies that were being told about those encounters with Renee Good and Alex Preddy.
01:07:27.720I mean, we're used to that, though. We're used to the mainstream media so-called lying about anything having to do with border enforcement or deportations.
01:07:36.540So and the president's poll numbers on immigration were going down.
01:07:40.780I mean, not unexpectedly as a result of what the media was doing around these protests and what the Democrats did in Minneapolis in particular.
01:07:48.160So I could I could understand from a political standpoint, which he does have to consider how he was like, at least for a while, we got to take the temperature down and we got to get this off the front page of the newspaper.
01:07:59.780But what what should he have done in your view?
01:08:02.700uh i think he should have went harder um some things in minneapolis that perhaps he doesn't
01:08:10.320know is those roving patrols that were so instrumental in quelling that same type of
01:08:16.500violence in chicago los angeles charlotte new orleans and many other cities was largely absent
01:08:22.480for those first several weeks of that minnesota campaign i tell you i would love to who was there
01:08:28.560That was Border Patrol on ICE. ICE was there first. Border Patrol came to assist ICE on a two-day operation. It's just, Megan, on that two-day operation, while we were in the air, in those Coast Guard aircraft, on the way to Minneapolis, that's when Rene Good was killed. And that changed everything. That two-day operation then turned into a several-week operation with the Border Patrol. However, those roving patrols did not take place.
01:08:55.320And I think that who made up sorry to keep interrupting, but who made up the roving patrol like who was in them?
01:09:01.640Sure. Roving patrol. That's a term specifically for U.S. Border Patrol.
01:09:06.780That's our ability to conduct what we call total spectrum immigration enforcement.
01:09:10.920That means everything. That means we go out on patrol. We do targeting.
01:09:14.160You've heard of the targeting. We do special operations, use aircraft.
01:09:17.560That is a total enforcement package that that goes after anything immigration related, not just one specific subset like targeting or worse the worse or something like that.
01:09:29.300So that is, in essence, what a roving patrol is.
01:09:33.160And we really didn't we never got to the roving patrol.
01:09:36.060That also includes crowd control, riot control, that type of thing.
01:09:41.120And if you look back at Los Angeles or Chicago, we did very well with that crowd and riot control to the point they didn't test us at all in Los Angeles after that very first day.
01:10:28.620So I think Mr. Trump, I think he would have done that had he been advised correctly.
01:10:34.320but i i don't think that he was getting the uh the proper advisement from whoever was advising him
01:10:40.760and um that's too bad because i don't mean to be dense gregory just help me understand because i
01:10:45.580genuinely want to get it so would there be a border patrol group that's there and an ice group that's
01:10:51.740there and a separate group from border patrol called the roving patrol no border patrol is the
01:10:58.280roving patrol that's that's one of the tactics or strategies that they use for that total spectrum
01:11:03.960immigration enforcement. Remember, the Border Patrol is your uniformed law enforcement agency.
01:11:08.700They have uniforms on. They're sort of like your street cops. Think of Border Patrol as your street
01:11:13.420cops. Street cops, say, in New York City, for instance, they go out and they knock down street
01:11:18.800crime. The detectives in New York City, which are more akin to ICE in Homeland Security
01:11:24.720investigations, they investigate. They do targeted enforcement, that type of thing. Would you send
01:11:30.780your detectives out to do street crime. No, you would send your uniformed border patrol agents,
01:11:36.540your uniformed cops out to do those roving patrols, to take on that street crime, to take on0.79
01:11:42.140those everyday duties, to take on those millions of illegal aliens walking the streets with
01:11:47.300impunity. That's definitely a uniformed law enforcement mission, something the border
01:11:51.780patrol has done for 102 years. And, you know, I think that that sort of got upended there in
01:11:58.460Minneapolis. And I hope it comes back because that's the key to all of this is total spectrum
01:12:05.340immigration enforcement, mass deportations. You have to have a uniformed law enforcement agency
01:12:11.360on the streets doing that. Remind me, if memory serves, ICE was involved maybe in the Renee Good
01:12:20.240death and Border Patrol in the Alex Preddy. Is that correct?
01:12:24.200That is correct. Renee Good used a vehicle and then Alex Preddy was in the streets attacking Border Patrol agents while they were conducting a law enforcement mission.
01:12:36.020They were after an aggravated felon who actually got away because of Alex Preddy.
01:12:40.980I think that's something that a lot of people don't realize is that individual that Border Patrol was actively seeking ended up getting away because Alex Preddy injected himself into that situation.
01:12:54.200One of the things that went wrong in the wake of those deaths was the messaging around it. I think Kristi Noem, my own belief is Kristi Noem, in what I think was a well-meaning effort to have the backs of her guys, overstated the defense.
01:13:10.620You know, she went hard against Alex Preddy in a way that the facts just didn't support, like that he was there to kill a bunch of cops. I can't remember her exact language, but it went too far and there wasn't factual support for it.
01:13:22.560How do you see what Kristi Noem said around those two incidents?
01:13:27.260Because I believe you're a fan of hers, but what do you make of the messaging?
01:13:31.580One of the things I think the secretary, Secretary Noem wanted to do there was get information and messaging out as soon as possible.
01:13:40.980In many of these shootings that we see throughout law enforcement, you wonder what happened.
01:13:45.820Those conspiracy theories and stories start percolating up rather quickly.
01:13:52.020And I thought that was a pretty smart move on her part, is to get out ahead of it, get some information out there as soon as possible.
01:13:59.300Where she got her talking points from, what higher entity that she collaborated with for those talking points, I understand that did take place.
01:14:08.240And she put those talking points out there.
01:14:10.320I think that was in a good faith effort to put information out there so that the American public could understand that, one, there was a problem there in Minneapolis and that there were responsible parties for that.
01:15:28.540Do you think I mean, how would you describe your departure from the administration?
01:15:34.060Well, I tell you, I certainly miss my Mean Green team.
01:15:36.740A lot of folks said I was up for mandatory retirement.
01:15:40.920I actually had a year left, so I had some more gas in the tank there for mass deportations.
01:15:46.020I would say that I'm a mass deportations kind of a guy, and many in the administration are not.
01:15:52.980So we definitely came to loggerheads on how we go about deporting individuals from the United States.
01:16:01.200I'm ready to go at it because self-deportations, and if they don't self-deport,0.92
01:16:05.620then we'll deport them ourselves. And I think a lot of folks saw that as maybe overly aggressive
01:16:12.560there in the administration. And I'm not a politician. Those poll numbers you mentioned
01:16:18.860earlier, I don't care about a politician. This confuses me. President Trump seems to be on board
01:16:23.660with that, at least we think. Kristi Noem was certainly on board with that. Tom Homan may not
01:16:30.200be totally on board with that, but he was an equal. He was a lateral to you, right? So it's like,
01:16:34.100who, who, who wants the illegals to stay? Sure. I think that goes back to the influences that0.99
01:16:42.860surround Trump. And again, I'm not, I wasn't in the White House. I was more in the field
01:16:46.760and not on Capitol Hill or engaged in a lot of those discussions. But I think the rhinos that1.00
01:16:53.120came out and attacked Christy Trump, I think that's probably a good starting point. I think that0.99
01:16:57.960Kristi Noem. Yes, Kristi Noem. And I think that there's a lot of folks there that did not believe in mass deportations on the scale that we were ready to put that into effect. And whether that was Tom Holman, Rodney Scott, you know, certainly I didn't hear from him for a year during that operation. So what was going on?
01:17:22.540those not once not once wow so um wow you know i think that uh that it's probably you know two
01:17:32.740different strategies and uh i guess they were mutually exclusive i think they should have been
01:17:38.920integrated but probably mutually exclusive well tom holman came out and said once he swooped into
01:17:46.540Minneapolis named Paul and said, you know, I'm I'm going to handle it and said, I'm going to get
01:17:53.640these. I've gotten the attorney general to agree that the sheriffs can cooperate with ICE. And
01:18:02.680before they release anybody from jail, whether they've been arrested temporarily or they're
01:18:07.980actually getting out of serving a prison sentence, they now can. He said he got the
01:18:12.460AG to acknowledge, call ICE, work with ICE on effecting any ICE detainer that may be on that
01:18:18.980criminal so that before we just sent them loose out on the street after they bailed out or they've
01:18:23.060served their terms in prison, they'll give ICE a call if there's a detainer or there's a deportation
01:18:28.540order, et cetera, for this person. Now ICE will swoop in and arrest them to have an immigration
01:18:32.700proceeding on them. But we pointed out at the time, Gregory, that that's not going to happen
01:18:37.940in Minneapolis and St. Paul because they're sanctuary cities. By law, they don't cooperate
01:18:44.400with ICE. And so we actually paid very close attention to see whether Tom Homan had pulled
01:18:49.520a rabbit out of a hat that we had underestimated his ability to do. And there wasn't. The sheriff
01:18:57.020of the Minneapolis main lockup facility came out and said, I'm not doing that. We haven't changed
01:19:04.440one word of our policy. We are still sanctuary. And our policy is not to cooperate with federal
01:19:10.260immigration officials on detainers or anything else. So nothing's changed. I don't know why
01:19:16.940he's saying that. Of course not. It's a complete capitulation in Minnesota. And what that does
01:19:23.180is that emboldens other sanctuary cities, other blue states. It also emboldens those
01:19:29.380transnational criminal organizations to, guess what, traffic more people across the border into
01:19:35.240the interior because there is no interior enforcement of meaningful impact taking place.
01:19:43.500Mayor Fry there, good old Mayor Fry there in Minneapolis, he was calling for people to fight
01:19:50.540Border Patrol in the streets. Now, if it's going from that to, hey, all of a sudden we're going to
01:19:55.400we're going to start turning illegal aliens over to ICE. You know, we scratched our head at that
01:20:02.060one. You know, that was never going to happen. And that was why we were in those communities
01:20:08.700in the first place, going after that fraud, the leering center, the illegal aliens walking
01:20:13.920the streets with impunity, just like we did in every single other city.
01:20:17.980Yes. Okay. So I'm just trying to pull the actual statement from the local sheriff. Let's see.
01:20:33.440I'm looking for it. Where is that, Deb? It says, yeah, I can hear you. Sorry.
01:20:43.380Okay, stand by, because I want to read the audience exactly what the Hennepin County Sheriff said.
01:20:48.820This is not Megyn Kelly's interpretation.
01:21:38.780Can you spend another minute on Laredo? Because this story hasn't gotten a lot of attention. President Trump just keeps declaring the borders closed. Absolutely no one's getting through. And unfortunately, I think because of that, you know, I read the blog post, the Substack post, because of that unspoken de facto amnesty that we have actually been offering, even under President Trump, which is we're only going to get rid of you if you commit an additional crime.
01:22:03.200Like if you make it past Border Patrol and sneaking in and then you don't commit an additional felony, we're going to leave you alone.
01:22:11.200There's a lot of employers who need you in the hotel industry, some other construction industry, retail, what have you.
01:23:27.760And this is just the beginning of that because this is worldwide now. Immigration is worldwide. It's not just folks, say, from Mexico or Central America. This is worldwide now. And you have drug cartels and transnational criminal organizations that are keeping a close eye on what's happening there in the interior because they make a lot of money smuggling illegal aliens across that border.0.53
01:23:50.160You know, $8,000, $10,000 a head for just your run-of-the-mill illegal alien, and a lot more than that if they come from, say, Red China or from some of those other countries.
01:24:01.400So that's what's happening there in Laredo.
01:24:03.700Again, we're on our second iteration of Border Patrol agents.
01:24:06.620I believe approximately 200 Border Patrol agents were taken from other parts of the southwest border, piped into Laredo to quell that part of the border down.
01:24:15.960But what we're going to see if these mass deportations and this interior enforcement doesn't kick back on in the interior, we're going to see other parts of the border.
01:24:27.140They're going to shift to another part of the border and another and another and another.
01:24:31.240And pretty soon, it's going to be just like what it was, a very chaotic environment with a lot of people coming across the border.
01:24:38.540Because if they make it past the Border Patrol, there's nothing else in the interior that they have to worry about.
01:24:44.380And let me tell you, they're not worried. They're not worrying about targeting or worse to the worst. That's the least thing they're worried about is targeting or worse to the worst. Because, again, they don't look at themselves as worse to the worst. They say, I'm here to work in the hotel room or in the fields or collect welfare. Whatever they're coming to do, they're not looking at themselves as worse to the worst.
01:25:05.460and that just begets more immigration or i'm sorry more illegal migration and then you know
01:25:12.620what we've got that de facto amnesty uh we've always said that's de facto amnesty they get
01:25:17.760past the border patrol what's next amnesty that in itself begets even more illegal immigration
01:25:24.980it's game on for the bad guys right now yeah what are they they don't really care about becoming a
01:25:31.680citizen. They don't actually have to become a citizen. They want to live here. They want to
01:25:35.460work here. They want to possibly go on the public dole and they want to send checks home to Mexico.0.97
01:25:39.920And we're allowing it. We're allowing it. The shipping the prisoners off to
01:25:45.420Seacott in El Salvador. That was the kind of stuff that scared people like Christy Noem going down
01:25:52.660there, like doing the the selfie video in front of all those prisoners. It may have been sort of
01:26:00.100in rough taste, right? Like it was a little jarring to see, but that was the point to make
01:26:06.780it uncomfortable. Everyone's going to see like, that could be me behind those bars.
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01:29:30.160what the stats show Gregory is that now under Trump's presidency we've gotten more than 3
01:29:41.500million illegals out of the country that's 713,000 deportations this is per the Department
01:29:48.740of Homeland Security as of March 2026 713,000 deportations and estimated 2.2 million self
01:29:56.840deportations. So the self-deportations dwarf the actual ejections by, you know, Homeland Security
01:30:04.940and Border Patrol, etc. But the reason those numbers are going to go down is because of the
01:30:11.660softer touch, because we seem to be returning to de facto amnesty. You make it past Bovino's,
01:30:17.900guys. You're good. No one's coming to find you. How many times have you heard of the CBP home app
01:30:24.100used since I left Minnesota. I've heard it one time. I think Mullen mentioned at one time the
01:30:30.340CBP Home app. Something that I think would be interesting for your viewers is Secretary Noem
01:30:36.880actually listened to us as far as those ads that she put out. One of the things we said is when
01:30:42.860you get on there and you talk about the CBP Home app, the $2,600 and the free plane ticket and all
01:30:48.140that to self-deport to whatever country you came from, that is having an effect. And we knew it
01:30:54.980was having an effect because we talked quite closely with our partners there at the ports
01:30:59.700of entry, whether that was an airport or an actual land port of entry, and the lines going south out
01:31:05.460of the country, whenever she would get on, whenever she was on TV talking CBP Home app, or myself
01:31:12.080talking CBP home app, it was having an effect. That coupled with that good, tough, hard-nosed
01:31:19.300immigration enforcement, hey, that's what we wanted to happen, Megan. We want them to self-deport.
01:31:25.100We would rather them self-deport rather than me put handcuffs on 100 million illegal aliens. Let's1.00
01:31:30.760just have them self-deport for us. But for that to happen, it has to be so very tough on them
01:31:36.880here in the United States that they can't work, they can't recreate, they can't go to the grocery
01:31:42.500store, they can't do anything. And we proof tested that in Los Angeles, operation at large.
01:31:49.020That whole city was locked down for almost a year. Unfortunately, I talked to some of my
01:31:55.820Border Patrol colleagues who are still active. Many of those areas in Los Angeles now, specifically
01:32:01.340the fashion district downtown los angeles they're back flourishing again they were not flourishing
01:32:07.000uh while we were there for that year of of of occupation there in what about e-verify
01:32:14.240what about e-verify gregory where like you can't hire this personal as they actually produce proof
01:32:19.800of citizenship many people believe that would be the greatest thing to lead to self-deportation but
01:32:25.280it won't get implemented across the board you got to implement it first that's that's that's the
01:32:30.040number one thing. If you implement it, that's going to be one facet. But remember, immigration
01:32:34.680enforcement, and that's why we call it total spectrum immigration enforcement. E-Verify would
01:32:39.880be one facet of total spectrum immigration enforcement. You've got a whole bunch of other
01:32:45.360things, shutting down remittances, making it difficult for an illegal alien to own land,
01:32:51.140mass deportations, a whole slew of things, anything you can bring to bear to cause those
01:32:58.240self-deportation. So E-Verify is great. We need it. Big fan of E-Verify and work site enforcement.
01:33:05.480Definitely, that would definitely have an effect. But there's a lot of illegal aliens who are on0.94
01:33:09.640the dole who don't go to a workplace. We got to cut that off also. Total spectrum immigration0.99
01:33:14.940enforcement. It's not that hard, Megan. We've got a great strategy there in the board of control.
01:33:20.500We spent years writing this strategy before we went into those cities. That's one of those things
01:33:24.480I would love to have talked to President Trump on.
01:33:27.420I think he got bits and pieces of that strategy.
01:33:30.360He's getting bits and pieces of things that sound good to him.
01:33:34.120And I think he acts on those bits and pieces.
01:33:36.380Again, he's the best president we've got for immigration and that type of thing.
01:33:41.480But I don't think he's getting the whole story.
01:33:43.340He hasn't gotten the whole story over the past year or so.
01:33:46.600There's a lot more things we can do, e-verifying being just one of those things that we can
01:33:51.700do to cause people to self-deport and say, you know what? I think I need to do this the right
01:33:57.640way. If you remember, Noam always said, hey, go back to your country, do it the right way,
01:34:02.560and you still have a chance of immigrating legally to the United States. You never hear
01:34:08.320that now. I never hear that message now. And that's why our self-deportations are plummeting
01:34:15.040as we speak. They're plummeting. No one's scared. They're just going to say, you know what? De
01:34:20.300facto amnesty. Well, and the other problem we have is there's no wall. We did not build the
01:34:26.220wall. And when President Trump leaves office, there is no guarantee that a Republican is going
01:34:31.380to replace him. So we're we could have a situation where other than Rahm Emanuel, I don't hear any of
01:34:38.140the Democrat candidates talking about holding on to Trump's border policies, which have been so
01:34:44.120much more effective than any of his predecessors. No one's talking about doing that. So more than
01:34:48.640unlikely we're going to get, if a Democrat wins, another open border situation, which we wouldn't
01:34:53.820have to worry that much about if we had a wall. We just spent, the administration says it's 25 to
01:35:01.18029 billion on this war. The true estimates, according to people who are watchdogs of what
01:35:05.980we're actually spending is more like double that, over $50 billion on this war. The Pentagon is back
01:35:11.480asking for well over a trillion dollars for its budget.
01:35:39.280That's the real war that needs to be fought here.
01:35:42.500So once that is taken into context as the real threat to America, then perhaps we can get that wall built.
01:35:51.120When you speak of the wall, the wall is not just the wall.
01:35:54.660It's the wall and all the accoutrements associated with the wall, all that detection technology, all those things and people that make it so very difficult to cross that border.
01:36:03.200So you're right, a completed wall with all that technology and infrastructure and workforce, that would make it very difficult.
01:36:13.020Even if there was a Democratic administration that came into office, it would make it very difficult for another mass migration to occur.
01:36:20.140I'll tell you what, quite frankly, it scares the heck out of me to think what could happen if another liberal administration came in.
01:36:27.820because guess what they're going to take a look at what joe biden did with those tens of millions
01:36:32.860of illegal aliens that came across and i think we've seen nothing yet i think we could see a lot
01:36:38.700more than that because they come across and and what we're going to wave the white flag yet again
01:36:44.280and not conduct mass deportations well you know what you've got an america that has been made over
01:36:50.740into something that you and i will not even will not even recognize that's what scares me
01:36:57.760Do you think the numbers are that big?