The Megyn Kelly Show - Dems EAT Their Own in California, with Ana Kasparian, and Trump's ＂Softer＂ Deportation Approach, with Gregory Bovino ｜ Ep. 1317

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00:00:56 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:08 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Later today,

00:01:12 a first-time guest on the show, Gregory Bovino, will be here. We've covered him a lot. And now

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00:01:29 ready to talk about what he was doing to enforce the border and why he got pushed out and who was

00:01:38 like-minded and who isn't. And what is the policy right now as he sees it? He's going to be very

00:01:45 frank and we're really looking forward to having him. But we're going to start today with two

00:01:50 high-profile races in California, where Spencer Pratt continues to gain ground in the LA

00:01:55 mayoral race. And then there's the story that we've been teasing for a couple of days in the

00:01:59 governor's race with Katie Porter firing off a shot at her fellow Democrat, Tom Steyer. Go, 0.99

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00:02:12 opponents and you let loose, not at your lowly staffers, because that makes you look bad.

00:02:17 plus a brutal interview moment with the Democratic candidate who is becoming the front runner. We'll

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00:03:34 Anna, welcome back. Great to have you. Thank you for having me. Happy to be here.

00:03:37 I've been watching you all over the internet, setting everybody on fire. It's been fun to watch.

00:03:40 I love it. I love Piers Morgan and I love watching you on there because you take no guff from

00:03:47 anyone and I'm always rooting you on. Thank you. Okay, we got to start with Katie Porter.

00:03:52 You and I were on the air when we first dissected her viral videos and it was a very fun segment

00:03:59 and I think our audience enjoyed it. Now here she is again and she goes on CNN. She gets

00:04:06 cross-examined gently by Dana Bash about some of her low moments. And she hurls out an allegation

00:04:14 about where that tape came from, in which she berates the staffer, get the F out of my shot.

00:04:21 And it was sort of an odd tape because clearly she wasn't live in the moment because she says, 0.94

00:04:27 get the F out of my shot. Then the staffer kind of just talks in a way you wouldn't if they were

00:04:32 live on the air saying, no, you said that thing wrong. This is the way you need to say it. And

00:04:36 you know, she's still annoyed. So it did suggest that it was being pre-taped with a friendly,

00:04:41 some sort of a friendly. And we didn't really know or ask who that was on the other side,

00:04:46 but she's offering facts now. What she says are facts. And here is what she said to Dan Abash.

00:04:52 He just did an interview with Pod Save America, where he said he was the only candidate

00:04:56 who could stand up to corporate interests. He was asked specifically, well, what about

00:05:00 katie porter this is what he said she's hostile to special interests but she doesn't have your 0.56

00:05:06 money to get ads up right that's a real thing so the question is can someone win and do this

00:05:12 that is the actual question john not can someone be good-hearted there are lots of good-hearted

00:05:16 people who i would be happy if they won the question is can someone actually do this

00:05:21 what's your response to him

00:05:23 well given that tom steyer is the person who leaked the video with me and the staffer from

00:05:31 five years ago he pretty clearly didn't think that i was he pretty clearly wanted to be governor bad

00:05:37 enough to knock me down to do it and i apologize for that video many times because i am confident

00:05:44 that is the case i've been told by many people it's a department of energy video it was only

00:05:49 held by the Department of Energy and people can follow the trail to who his campaign staffers are

00:05:54 and understand what happened there. And the truth is, look, Tom Steyer is a corporate special

00:05:59 interest. He's made his billions off being behoove into corporations, making money off

00:06:05 fossil fuel, oil, coal. Don't shots fired. So she's blaming Steyer for the release of that video,

00:06:13 suggesting it shows he's worried about her. So what does the Steyer campaign do? They issue

00:06:19 the following statement, saying, Tom has nothing to do with that video. This is an attempt from

00:06:26 Katie Porter to deflect from her past mistakes. Katie Porter only has one person to blame for

00:06:30 her standing in the race, and it's herself, which I must tell you is a non-denial denial.

00:06:36 Tom has nothing to do with that video could be absolutely true, and yet he may have leaked it.

00:06:42 Like, of course he has nothing to do with the actual video. He's not in the video. He didn't

00:06:46 touched the video. He wasn't responsible for it leaking from the Department of Energy necessarily,

00:06:49 but he might have received it and leaked it. And what most likely happened was it was leaked to a

00:06:56 staffer and he could keep his hands clean. And this statement could be factually true in every

00:07:00 way. In other words, you would say if you really had nothing to do, you would say neither Tom nor

00:07:06 anyone on his team had anything to do with leaking this video. We don't need to leak videos of Katie

00:07:11 Porter to make her look bad. She just has to be Katie Porter for that to happen. So I think he 1.00

00:07:15 did it. And we did look to see his staff. We could not find evidence that current staffers

00:07:20 of his gubernatorial campaign worked at the DOE. However, we did find that a 2025 hire out of one

00:07:25 of his companies did indeed come from DOE. There was a Bloomberg article that his galvanized

00:07:34 climate solutions company hired Chris Creed, who oversaw investments for the DOE and its loan

00:07:42 office, not accusing Chris Creed. We don't know whether he had anything to do with this. However,

00:07:46 it is not true that they have no DOE people working for Steyer. In any event, what does

00:07:53 all of this tell us about the state of the gubernatorial campaign in California, where

00:07:58 the latest polls, I'll tell you, show us something interesting. There has been movement. Xavier Becerra,

00:08:06 javier is now in first with 19 that puts him two points above steve hilton who is tied for second

00:08:16 now with tom steyer those two guys hilton and steyer have 17 javier has 19 fourth is still

00:08:24 the other republican chad bianco at 11 and katie is bringing up the rear at 10 chad bianco is doing

00:08:31 better than katie porter that actually blows my mind okay so my honest opinion i am not enamored

00:08:38 with any of these candidates i'm i'm not a i'm not a fan because you are sane well i mean honestly

00:08:44 if you take the time to watch the gubernatorial debate that's happened already oh my goodness i

00:08:51 just there was one particular moderator who in the very beginning i couldn't decide whether i liked 1.00

00:08:57 her or hated her because she was actually very aggressive. In the end, I decided, no, no, I love 0.58

00:09:02 her. She should be the moderator for every political debate in the country because she really held

00:09:07 these candidates feet to the fire and didn't let them get away with simply saying that they're 1.00

00:09:12 going to do these amazing pie in the sky policies. She wanted to understand, OK, how are you going to

00:09:17 carry out those policies? And I remember Tom Steyer in particular really struggled in answering

00:09:23 those questions. I don't remember exactly what the policy was, but there was something he wants

00:09:27 to implement if he wins as governor. But what he wants to do has already been struck down by the

00:09:33 Supreme Court. So the moderator asked him, how do you propose to do this, knowing that you're

00:09:38 going to run into this massive legal hurdle? With Katie Porter, I'm actually shocked at how poorly

00:09:44 she's doing, to be honest with you. Chad Bianco had no policy solutions at all. And I'm open-minded

00:09:50 to a Republican as long as he actually has well thought out policy proposals. And California

00:09:57 honestly needs a little more balance, politically speaking. But he was he was awful in the debate.

00:10:02 He hasn't thought through anything. He's just very angry at Democrats and made that very clear.

00:10:07 And OK, yeah, we accept. Right. And so but Javier Becerra didn't perform well either and seemed to

00:10:16 kind of be stuck in the 2020 era of politics which made me worry because i think california

00:10:22 in particular needs to kind of move away from that and start really thinking about the revenue

00:10:26 that's coming in through taxes and how much we're hurting ourselves by we are overspending and the

00:10:32 reason why we're overspending is because money is going to certain non-profits and certain programs

00:10:37 without any real oversight of those programs this is something that the california state auditor

00:10:42 has put out many reports on. And so we are in debt. The state of California is in a massive

00:10:49 amount of debt. We owe money to the federal government. And so we can't have a clown

00:10:54 leading the country. I'm sorry, the state. We need someone who's actually smart, who understands, 0.98

00:11:00 yes, we need to take care of Californians, but we also need to increase our tax revenue by making 0.95

00:11:05 this a desirable place to do business in. And I just I don't see many good solutions or solutions

00:11:11 at all from these candidates, which really worries me. Mm hmm. Go Steve Hilton. He could

00:11:16 still do it. If Chad, if he got Chad's 13 percent, that would give him a running chance, at least

00:11:22 right now. If you add all the Democrat numbers together, it's an easy Democrat win in the general.

00:11:27 But you never know. You never know, because I feel like the more Californians get exposed to Steve,

00:11:31 the more they're going to properly fall in love with him. I want to tell you this. So now Becerra

00:11:37 is in first place which is just stunning because that's a real come from behind moment for him he

00:11:42 was down in the bottom uh not too long ago and so he's i guess you could call the front runner now

00:11:48 he sits down for an interview with ktla's annie ramos and look at what happens watch this top five

00:11:55 this is the start of our interview with javier brissetta in highland park by the way this is a

00:12:00 profile piece this is not a gotcha piece right well look i think we're these questions are fair

00:12:05 it's in order to learn about you as a candidate so long as about the profile i don't know how you

00:12:10 define profile but i'd like to begin the interview the way i describe profile is you talk about all

00:12:15 the things that i've done things i want to do and along with some tough questions but not only tough

00:12:21 questions wow no wow disqualified it's great to be a democrat no right it's great to be like no

00:12:30 republican would ever sit down with press and be like so of course there's going to be a nice

00:12:34 profile of me right with just a couple of hard questions well look to be fair i mean i'll give

00:12:38 you two examples on the republican side obviously on a federal level but i hate this behavior

00:12:42 regardless of who does it so you know on the republican side we know how trump treats 0.98

00:12:47 journalists who ask him questions he doesn't like he just called a journalist stupid this week 0.97

00:12:51 because she asked a question about how the cost of the white house ballroom has doubled and then 1.00

00:12:57 he just said it doubled inside you're stupid it doubled in size i doubled it in size you're stupid 1.00

00:13:01 you're a stupid woman um pete hegseth uh i mean it wasn't reporters in this case but 1.00

00:13:08 he's sitting before members of congress to answer questions important questions about what's going 1.00

00:13:13 down in iran and he just you know he excoriates them whenever they ask a question he doesn't like

00:13:19 and he accuses them of acting in bad faith um in regard to democrats though no you don't get to

00:13:24 dictate javier becerra doesn't get to dictate which questions are asked uh in a journalistic

00:13:30 interview. We need to we need to see how he answers and handles difficult questions. So

00:13:37 across the board, I don't care what your political ideology is. If you are willing to sit down before

00:13:42 a reporter and answer questions again, you don't get to dictate what they ask you. You don't get

00:13:47 to tell them how they do their jobs. I will say this in his defense, in setting up such an

00:13:54 interview, the reporter, the journalistic team will normally pitch to the person what they have

00:13:59 in mind. Like I've I've been pitched many times that we want to do a long profile of you. And I

00:14:04 can see how you would think, yes, OK, so you're going to do bio. You're going to talk about arc

00:14:08 of career as opposed to just an interview where we talk about your policies. If you're a politician,

00:14:14 that's not an unusual conversation to happen in setting it up and pitching it and getting it and

00:14:19 agreeing to it. But to have the actual candidate sit down and telegraph openly and on cam, I don't

00:14:27 want to be asked too many hard questions. I want the puff piece. I have a profile that I was

00:14:32 promised. It's pretty extraordinary and suggests the guy's not ready for primetime. Here is a

00:14:39 former Biden administration official who seems to feel the same, not about the interview, but about

00:14:44 him. Listen to this. This is on CNN, SOT 5B. Whoever is going to be governor will have to

00:14:49 stand up to Donald Trump. Can I tell you, after working in Joe Biden's administration, I do not

00:14:56 trust, have you ever set up to do that?

00:14:58 Can I just say...

00:14:59 I don't. I don't trust that he would

00:15:02 be able to do that. And that is the feeling

00:15:04 in trust that he'll be able to stand up

00:15:06 to Trump. I don't think that he'll be able to stand up to

00:15:08 Trump and lead. And the reason why...

00:15:09 Wait, wait, wait.

00:15:12 Before she answers that,

00:15:15 can I ask you why?

00:15:17 Because when I saw him in the administration,

00:15:20 and I think a lot of people did,

00:15:21 people understand this,

00:15:23 it's he was not effective in governing.

00:15:25 And I think that a lot of people in the Biden administration are talking about this because they realize that he was not an effective HHS secretary.

00:15:33 And if you ask any cabinet secretary, they would tell you the same thing.

00:15:38 Wow. How about that? This makes a lot of sense. OK, so I wasn't familiar with that woman.

00:15:44 I've actually been on Abby Phillips's show with her on the panel and she like gave me the stink eye the entire time, but didn't really debate me on anything. 0.77

00:15:54 so i couldn't figure out what was going on now i realized she was in the biden administration and i

00:15:58 was criticizing the biden administration at the time anyway uh i just i don't i don't know what

00:16:04 to make of what she has to say there it seems like she has a favorite that maybe she's looking

00:16:08 to promote who knows uh but i just i wasn't impressed personally by his debate performance

00:16:15 he served in the biden administration i didn't see anything stand out that was worthy of praise

00:16:20 to be honest with you. And I think that we are currently dealing with a political system where

00:16:25 these politicians think like this is how it's supposed to work. You know, I rise up, I pay my

00:16:31 dues, I start low, and then I work my way to a gubernatorial position in the country without

00:16:36 proving a damn thing about my accomplishments. That's a huge problem. No, you're not entitled

00:16:41 to that. But it looks like people are going to go for him based on how he's doing in the polling.

00:16:46 It's kind of surprising.

00:16:46 Like I couldn't tell you what Javier Becerra is proposing to do to make

00:16:51 California a better state.

00:16:53 And that's a problem.

00:16:54 No,

00:16:54 he's like vanilla pudding.

00:16:56 It's like,

00:16:57 that's what I think.

00:16:58 It's fine.

00:16:59 It's not like exciting.

00:17:01 It's not ice cream.

00:17:02 It's like,

00:17:03 it's just pudding.

00:17:04 It's like kind of squishy and kind of just goes down without any effort,

00:17:09 but like,

00:17:10 it doesn't excite anybody.

00:17:11 Right.

00:17:11 So we'll see.

00:17:13 We'll see what happens to that.

00:17:14 But it is interesting to see the knives coming out for him and him feeling defensive.

00:17:19 He's not used to being at the pointy end of the spear.

00:17:21 But on brand here, as we're talking about Democrat candidates who get a pass or who, you know, the machine gets behind and then they then you look at them and you're like, that's what the machine is pushing on us.

00:17:31 That brings me to Jack Schlossberg, who is perhaps better known as JFK's grandson.

00:17:39 son. He's the son of Caroline Kennedy, who was the sister of JFK Jr. and the daughter of Jackie and

00:17:46 Jack. He is the son of Caroline Kennedy. And he's an absolute idiot. He's 33 years old. He is a total

00:17:55 idiot. He went to Harvard and Yale. He's got a law degree and a business degree. And it just, 1.00

00:18:02 if there's better proof that those things mean nothing when you've got a family connection in

00:18:07 particular, I don't know of it. So he decided to run for a U.S. House seat for the Upper West and

00:18:17 East Side of Manhattan, my old hot, where I used to live for many years. And this is because Jerry

00:18:22 Nadler said he was retiring. It's a safe Democrat seat. There are, I think I was the last Republican

00:18:28 on the Upper West Side, although I lived in a building with a bunch of Orthodox Jewish people

00:18:33 who tend to vote Republican.

00:18:34 So maybe not the last, but one of the last.

00:18:37 And this is the seat he's running for.

00:18:41 So the New York Times, Anna,

00:18:43 does a pretty lengthy hit piece on him

00:18:46 and what a mess he's been in this campaign.

00:18:51 And I'll just give you some highlights.

00:18:53 They say, okay, he announced his campaign,

00:18:58 his aides teed up calls with frenzied media outlets,

00:19:01 democratic luminaries and a roster of wealthy donors. They wanted to project that he was a

00:19:06 serious candidate ready for what was promised to be a grueling race. But just hours into his day

00:19:10 one launch, the candidate abruptly announced a change of plans, according to three people

00:19:15 familiar with the events. Forget dialing for dollars. Mr. Schlossberg said he needed a nap.

00:19:22 Real. Who hasn't been there? Wow. He then effectively disappeared for the day,

00:19:28 keeping his team reeling. And it turns out this is evidently, they write par for the course.

00:19:34 They go on to say that he can't keep anybody on staff. They've described an operation so erratic

00:19:40 and plagued by turnover that it raises questions about how he might handle himself as a member of

00:19:45 Congress. Early on, he would regularly blow off weekly strategy meetings, called for his benefit.

00:19:51 He made a habit of disappearing for long stretches with little notice or explanation.

00:19:54 he did carve out time to swim or paddleboard in the hudson most days so don't get too attached

00:20:01 to josh losberg because he obviously must have contracted some hideous disease no one swims in

00:20:05 the hudson don't do that he's pushed boundaries on social media oh that's one way of putting it

00:20:11 talking about his jizz forgive me but like okay cocktails with it okay yeah i'm sorry that came

00:20:17 out of nowhere he's never held a job like end of story hello never never and they actually

00:20:23 they point this out like the the times is ripping him to shreds talking about all the only thing

00:20:28 he's accomplished is he worked for vogue as a correspondent for like a couple of freelance

00:20:35 articles that went nowhere and then worked for john carrey for four months at the state department

00:20:40 doing absolutely nothing and so like that's it he's 33 by this point you should have something

00:20:46 Oh, for sure. I mean, 33, you've never held down a job. You think that it's I mean, the fact that he says out loud, I need a nap tells you everything you need to know. I mean, try try telling your boss that. OK, you're going to get no sympathy.

00:21:04 Am I starting to like him? Something's happening inside of me. But I got a lot of years on him.

00:21:12 Well, you've got to at least appreciate that he's saying the quiet part out loud. I mean,

00:21:17 there's so many politicians who think the same things and still do the same things,

00:21:22 but get away with it. So I don't know why the New York Times has it out for him,

00:21:26 but I'm glad they do because it's important for people to know this.

00:21:28 What gives him the entitlement to a House seat when he hasn't been able to prove himself in any place of work?

00:21:36 He has never worked for anyone.

00:21:38 What makes anyone think he would work for the American people in New York? 1.00

00:21:43 Exactly right.

00:21:44 And Nancy Pelosi endorsed him.

00:21:46 Of course.

00:21:46 How dare she? 1.00

00:21:46 Of course she does.

00:21:47 He's not qualified for this position.

00:21:50 He's got the former Ted Kennedy people advising him.

00:21:53 He's got Ron Klain, who was Biden's chief of staff for a time, helping him out, advising him.

00:21:59 Like he's got all these sort of luminaries within the Democratic Party because he's a Kennedy, although nobody knows that because his last name is Schlossberg because he's, you know, he's the son of a female Kennedy.

00:22:10 Here he is. 0.98

00:22:13 Apparently he got nobody paid attention to this candidate forum that he participated in because no one gives a shit who represents the Upper East and West Side of Manhattan. 0.97

00:22:19 But he did participate in one and the Times went and reported on it. 0.95

00:22:23 And he got rather irritated, Anna, when the subject of his lack of any credentials or experience came up.

00:22:30 Watch.

00:22:30 The last six months, I've run a campaign that has introduced me to thousands of New Yorkers that I've met and gotten them incredibly excited about politics in a time when a lot of people feel very disillusioned.

00:22:41 I think some people who know of you are wondering about your sort of your resume and what you've accomplished.

00:22:47 And I think perhaps your answer to that question about your top accomplishments citing the campaign might, again, raise flags for people about inexperience.

00:22:55 Do you want to say a little bit more about qualifications for Congress?

00:22:59 I haven't met any of those people, but I'd love if you introduced me to them.

00:23:02 I've been working in politics and in government since Obama ran in 2008, and I went to volunteer on his campaign.

00:23:07 I worked at the State Department for Secretary of State John Kerry.

00:23:10 I was a volunteer EMT in college.

00:23:12 While you may not think that content creation and building a following based on speaking out for what you believe in at a time when others were unwilling, taking on your own family members, traveling across the country to every single swing state, serving as a delegate at the DNC is an experience, I do.

00:23:29 I participate in giving the Profile and Courage Award out every single year at the John F. Kennedy Library, and I pass the bar in the top 1% of the country.

00:23:37 painful he he was a content creator that's the public service the question was what public

00:23:46 service have you had that would recommend you for this job he's a content creator at a time

00:23:50 when few wanted to do it well look let me ask you a serious question about this because

00:23:55 i've been thinking about this issue for a few years now i feel like we're having a very serious

00:24:04 competency problem in the united states in our political class oh yes and agreed what has

00:24:11 definitely highlighted this for me yet again is how the war against iran is going because what

00:24:18 i'm and it's not about like oh let's put the question of whether or not we should have done

00:24:23 what we did away first i can just talk about the two different sides the united states and iran

00:24:28 and how both sides are carrying out this war. Iran has been incredibly strategic, incredibly

00:24:35 strategic, and they are winning this war as a result of that. And so it's not just Trump. Trump

00:24:41 is surrounded by advisors. Trump is surrounded by career politicians in his ear telling him what to

00:24:45 do. And I just. Do people understand how stupid our government looks on the international stage?

00:24:53 And I don't think that's fair to the American people. I don't think that there are I don't 0.99

00:24:57 think our country is full of dumb people. I just think that our political system, for some reason, 0.99

00:25:03 seems to incentivize or attract some of the dumbest people to raise their hands and say, 0.99

00:25:09 I want to be a public servant. But they're never really public servants. Even if they wanted to be 0.99

00:25:14 public servants, they wouldn't even know how. They don't care. They just don't care. They're

00:25:18 not really educated on how our government works, what international law is. They don't care about

00:25:23 any of that stuff they just want a position of power and for what insider trading that's a lot

00:25:29 of that's going on in congress so yes right now the american people are furious we look embarrassing

00:25:35 on the international stage and it's just not right it really isn't i mean our fall from grace

00:25:40 uh didn't happen overnight and i think we really do need to invest in better schooling and education

00:25:48 and we got to bring back home economics like we need to teach Americans civics and civics. Yes.

00:25:54 Like there's so many elements of public education, for instance, that have been cut out that I think

00:25:59 we need to reintroduce again. So we raise people who can compete with people in China who could 0.99

00:26:04 compete on the international stage. We can't do it when other countries rising superpowers are

00:26:10 investing everything they have into future generations. We're not doing any of that here

00:26:15 the United States. These are all excellent points. I mean, and look at it doesn't matter

00:26:19 where you go to school, because this guy, as I point out, is a Harvard law or Harvard and Yale

00:26:24 law and business graduate. I mean, he's got all the credentials in the world. It didn't take it

00:26:29 didn't work. So it's not necessarily about where you get your degree. It's about actually learning

00:26:34 and becoming a smart person and being attuned to what's happening around you. When you were

00:26:38 talking, the thing that came to mind really was social media. But social media could be both the

00:26:43 death and the resurrection of good people in Congress. I think on the one hand, people don't

00:26:50 want to run because they don't want all their mistakes or their missteps to be thrown in their

00:26:56 face, you know, ad nauseum. People who have made whatever mistakes in their personal lives or

00:27:00 their professional lives know that they're going to get dragged and they don't want to do it. It's

00:27:04 so brutal. It's so brutal. And then at the end, even if you get the prize, what happens? You're

00:27:08 not respected. It's not a position that's respected anymore. So why put yourself through it? And then

00:27:12 And even if, like, the presidency is still generally respected, but you get that, you probably, you know, you might get a bullet in the head. 0.97

00:27:18 Like, geez, this doesn't sound that great. 0.92

00:27:21 Yeah.

00:27:22 Well, also.

00:27:22 So there's that problem.

00:27:23 But maybe on the other hand, just the second piece of it was, like, our kids, they've grown up immersed in social media.

00:27:31 They're used to having all, not mine in particular, but most have had their lives out there since the time they were tweens.

00:27:37 And it's, like, it's past embarrassment territory.

00:27:42 Like everyone's had all their thoughts and lives on the internet forever.

00:27:46 There's no embarrassing anybody or doing.

00:27:49 So maybe we'll get a better crop in about 10 years when you get to these kids who are 1.00

00:27:54 like, oh, fuck it. 1.00

00:27:55 I'm good. 1.00

00:27:56 Yeah.

00:27:56 I mean, I would, I would love for people to be able to see through the obvious political

00:28:02 smears, right.

00:28:03 When people bring up, like if you're showing me a post by someone when they were like 14 1.00

00:28:09 or 15 years old, how about you fuck off? 1.00

00:28:11 I'm not interested. 1.00

00:28:12 Right. 0.77

00:28:12 Like we need to create a culture that stigmatizes that kind of dirt. 0.99

00:28:18 Yes. Right. And so because we do need to incentivize good people who want to improve the country to run for political office. 1.00

00:28:26 And by the way, what's happening to Congressman Massey right now with these.

00:28:31 No, we're going to talk about that next. OK, yeah, because it just I think it's sick.

00:28:34 I think it's absolutely sick. And I'm saying this as someone who disagrees with him on a lot of policies.

00:28:39 But what I love about Congressman Massey is that he's real, he's authentic, he's a good faith actor and he's principled.

00:28:47 It is nearly impossible to find anyone in Congress like that. So to lose him to, you know, a Israel lobby funded candidate would be absolutely awful.

00:28:59 But we would make perfect sense. I mean, I mean, it shows you how our elections actually work, right?

00:29:05 how money in politics is really a terrible wait hold that thought sure i want to do massey i want

00:29:11 to do that discussion properly but i just i have one more for you on schlossberg before we leave

00:29:14 him so one of the other things the times points out is that you know he's he's got his famous

00:29:19 social media feed which is very nasty and had some of the examples i just mentioned um but

00:29:24 apparently as he's been running for office he's been using it for among other uh things to

00:29:30 plagiarize the posts of other Democrats he likes without credit. So I guess Seth Moulton,

00:29:38 a Democrat of Massachusetts, posted something after the Maduro raid. Can we let's do we have

00:29:45 the Seth? Oh, we have it spliced. OK, so I'm going to show you here Seth Moulton's post and

00:29:49 spliced with with the one Schlossberg posted like the next day, which was clearly copied off of Seth

00:29:57 Seth Moulton without credit or attribution. Watch.

00:30:00 I'm recording this today with a serious message.

00:30:02 Tonight, I have a serious message.

00:30:04 This week, we learned two disturbing things.

00:30:06 Two things happened this week that should make you feel disturbed.

00:30:10 First, President Trump's announcement this morning that

00:30:12 airspace over Venezuela should be considered closed as he weighs military action.

00:30:17 First, Trump ordered that airspace around the country of Venezuela be shut down

00:30:22 as he considers whether to take additional military action there.

00:30:26 The U.S. does not have the authority to close airspace over another country.

00:30:30 Trump is preparing for war, a war Congress has not declared.

00:30:34 The U.S. has not declared war on Venezuela.

00:30:37 And the U.S. does not have the authority to shut down the airspace around another country.

00:30:42 Second, yesterday news broke that Secretary Hegseth allegedly ordered the Joint Special Operations Commander

00:30:47 to conduct a second strike to kill two survivors.

00:30:50 If we were at war, that would be a war crime. 0.91

00:30:53 But we aren't at war, so it's murder.

00:30:55 If we were at war, that would be considered a war crime. Since we aren't, some are calling it murder.

00:31:03 It's identical. He copied him almost word for word to the point where Seth Moulton's office

00:31:09 noticed, reports the Times, and called Schlossberg's office saying, WTF. And they had to admit that he

00:31:18 did it. They were like, well, he liked it. Oh my gosh. That's where his excuse was, well, I liked it.

00:31:22 Yes. I can't. I can't believe it. Add an addendum that he copied. He's an idiot.

00:31:31 Well, I was looking for I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt, 1.00

00:31:35 like think about all the other possibilities before you assume that the person did the bad

00:31:39 thing. Right. So we all know that when it comes to political parties or political groups,

00:31:44 they'll pass around talking points and they'll literally just read the talking points or tweet

00:31:49 or post the talking points so i thought maybe there's a possibility that they were sent the

00:31:54 same script and so they both read the script but no that's not what happened this is unbelievable

00:31:59 i mean how did this guy get into ivy leagues i wonder gee could it be his i know i know wow

00:32:06 it's so annoying because think about it you know i there are so many kids out there right now

00:32:12 in like lower to middle-class communities

00:32:16 who are working their asses off

00:32:18 with like a dream of improving their station in life

00:32:22 by getting into one of these Ivy League colleges.

00:32:24 Yeah.

00:32:25 Like the thought of getting an education at Yale and Harvard,

00:32:29 getting a law degree, right?

00:32:31 Is truly, it would be truly life-changing

00:32:34 for said young man or woman and their family. 0.97

00:32:37 And they don't get to go because this prick, 0.97

00:32:39 for no reason other than his mom is who she is 0.91

00:32:43 and his grandparents were who they were,

00:32:46 takes the slot.

00:32:47 And what does he do with it? 1.00

00:32:48 This rich asshole, entitled jerk, 1.00

00:32:53 does absolutely nothing. 1.00

00:32:55 He futzes around with it,

00:32:57 does some tour in a van,

00:33:00 pumps up his social media,

00:33:02 works for John Kerry for four months

00:33:04 in yet another role

00:33:05 that probably should have gone to somebody else,

00:33:07 does some limited stint for Vogue,

00:33:09 writing about the Democratic National Convention and then wants it thinks that he's entitled to

00:33:16 represent a very large community with, by the way, a lot of heavy hitters on the Upper East Side and

00:33:21 Upper West Side of Manhattan. And it goes beyond that district. So like, fuck him is in his

00:33:25 entitlement. I really look forward to his humiliation. And honestly, if the if the residents 1.00

00:33:31 of Upper New York, Upper Manhattan vote for this guy to represent their interests, they they're

00:33:38 going to get exactly what they deserve, which is to be embarrassed. He will implode. He will not

00:33:44 make it past the first year in office. He won't. It's very clear to me, and I've said before,

00:33:50 he's mentally ill. He's not just weird. This guy is very obviously mentally ill. He was reportedly 0.98

00:33:56 urged by his own mother not to do this. They knew within the family he's off. There's something

00:34:02 wrong with this guy, and it took only time for it to be exposed. We need to worry more about the

00:34:07 ones who, for whom it's never exposed until they get into office and then they unleash their crazies 0.89

00:34:12 on their proposed legislation. Um, okay. So let's talk about Massey because that's actually the

00:34:18 most interesting story I think of the news today. So Thomas Massey, um, has easily won his prior

00:34:24 elections and he's beloved as a Republican in the state of Kentucky. However, this time around,

00:34:31 thanks to two factors, I think it's fair to say, he could lose his primary. He might not even be

00:34:37 the Republican nominee. And I think those two factors, you tell me, you've probably been

00:34:41 following it more closely, but are President Trump, who's very annoyed that Massey has

00:34:46 continuously bucked the president's demands, whether it's on Epstein or other matters. Like,

00:34:52 I don't think he voted for the extension of Trump's tax cuts. You know, he's like a fiscal

00:34:56 Hawk and that and so on. And the Israel lobby, which he's been critical of Israel, which is like

00:35:02 very, very rare now for a Republican. And he's had the full power of the Israel lobby, whether

00:35:10 it's AIPAC or Miriam Adelson and other pro-Israel, pro-Jewish groups who are just unleashing cash

00:35:18 to promote his primary opponent, who's been backed by the president in the, again, Republican primary

00:35:25 that's about to take place.

00:35:26 So now, as we inch up to that vote,

00:35:30 we get, of course, the 11th hour drop

00:35:34 of a woman alleging he was somehow

00:35:38 emotionally abusive to her.

00:35:41 It's like he was dating her for a couple of months.

00:35:44 He was emotionally abusive,

00:35:46 and he offered me $60,000 hush money.

00:35:49 And then Thomas Massey has a lawyer come out to say

00:35:52 she was alleging this about her ex-husband

00:35:54 and their divorce proceedings at the same time, and the judge found her so not credible,

00:35:58 he threw out the allegations. So spare me. But man, the heft of the campaign that's been

00:36:04 unleashed against Massey tells us what? I mean, it tells you that our elections are bought.

00:36:11 And if you don't play nice with the Israel lobby, they'll do whatever it takes to crush you.

00:36:17 And they'll have smear pieces written about you. I mean, that's what's happening right now as we

00:36:21 speak. I mean, you look at the campaign funding for Gallup. What's his name? Galperin. I don't

00:36:27 even know. Galperin. Yeah. Galperin. He's most of his money is from out of state and it's from

00:36:33 people who prioritize Israel over the American people. I I'm kind of shocked to see that his

00:36:41 challenger is rising in the polls. In fact, yesterday, for the first time, there was one

00:36:45 poll that showed that he not only closed Massey's lead, but he has now, you know, passed Massey in

00:36:52 the polling. And so what this communicates to us is that our elections and our so-called democracy

00:36:59 isn't real, right? That moneyed interests are the ones who control everything. They get to decide

00:37:04 who they elect. And a lobby that is far more concerned with a foreign country has more power

00:37:12 than ordinary americans who live and care about this country live in and care about this country

00:37:17 so we really like i just i am terrified that he's going to beat massey in the primary

00:37:23 not only because i think it's unfair to massey who's a principled politician a unicorn really

00:37:29 when you think about it um i'm worried that this is going to disenfranchise voters to a point where

00:37:35 they're just not going to participate in any election and then what and then what happens

00:37:40 Right. So there's I just don't know how to solve this other than calling for a constitutional amendment that takes money out of politics.

00:37:50 We shouldn't allow corporate interests. We shouldn't allow pharmaceutical companies or defense contractors who are just loaded with cash to buy our elections.

00:38:01 We shouldn't allow a lobby for a foreign country to buy our elections. But it's happening on a regular basis.

00:38:07 and if people are wondering why americans you know have lost trust in our institutions this

00:38:13 is a big reason why it's so true um i want to correct myself the opponent is gal rain gal

00:38:22 g-a-l-l-r-e-i-n um and he has received

00:38:27 form at least four million dollars or they've spent it on ads supporting him from the republican

00:38:34 Jewish coalition. He has received money, $2.6 million at least has been spent on ads supporting

00:38:41 him by the APAC Super PAC, United Democracy Project, all according to ad impact. And then

00:38:51 there's more. This is one example of an APAC Super PAC ad against Massey that's airing now,

00:38:58 What happened to Thomas Massey? He's flipped. Massey started out as a conservative Republican,

00:39:06 but now votes with liberal Democrats. Massey flipped and voted against funding Trump's border

00:39:11 wall. He voted against increased border patrol. And on Israel, Massey votes with AOC and Ilhan

00:39:18 Omar again and again. Massey's a flippin' disaster. That's why President Trump supports

00:39:24 ed galrein for congress udp is responsible for the content of this ad we're 40 40 trillion dollars

00:39:33 in debt 40 trillion dollars the pentagon wants us to believe that the war against iran is just

00:39:39 going to cost you know somewhere between 25 billion to 29 billion dollars that is a lie

00:39:44 and it's going to add to our devastating federal debt which uh we are spending a trillion dollars

00:39:51 a year servicing at this point. So, I mean, we're, we go ahead. I was just going to say,

00:39:58 we also just got the latest inflation numbers. It's up 3.8%. Just to go back and see when

00:40:06 president Trump took office in January of 2025, the inflation rate was 3.0. But then by January

00:40:15 of 26th, he had gotten it down to 2.4%. And now it's up at 3.8%. And it is because of energy

00:40:24 prices. That's obviously related to the war. Gas is up 28.4%. These numbers just came out yesterday.

00:40:31 Food is up 3.2%. Shelter is up 3.3%. So all these costs are factored in. Inflation is going the

00:40:37 wrong way. And yeah, we're worried about, you know, Massey and some woman who obviously is 0.99

00:40:45 trying to take him down a week before the election. I don't know what's going to happen

00:40:50 in this race, but I do, I agree with you that a super PAC that's whose number one concern is

00:40:56 the dollars that we send to Israel and what the United States' stance on Israel is should not be

00:41:03 determining what's good for Kentucky or Kentucky voters or the United States of America. I mean,

00:41:09 this is just, you know, we allow it. We allow care to spend. We allow AIPAC to spend. It's just

00:41:14 fucking bullshit because they spend and they spend a lot and it's not for domestic interests at all. 1.00

00:41:20 It's for their own interests. And, you know, there's just the other thing I was going to say 1.00

00:41:24 when you were like, why do we get such shitty politicians is I remember where I was at Fox 0.92

00:41:28 News. I was sitting in my office, which I shared at the time with Major Garrett, when Citizens 0.93

00:41:32 United was decided by the U.S. Supreme Court. And it was this decision that declared it's free

00:41:39 speech for these companies to spend as much as they want in these political elections. And I

00:41:43 didn't disagree with the ruling as a legal matter, but it was a watershed moment, not just in our

00:41:48 political spending, but in the way politics would be and who would be in them in America.

00:41:55 because now Anna what we have is like every jurisdiction is just controlled by big money

00:42:01 donors yes you don't have to make deals with people across the aisle because your little

00:42:06 jurisdiction is going to be funded by two or three very rich republicans or democrats depending on

00:42:11 where you live and you really just have to answer to them and oftentimes they don't want you to make 0.97

00:42:16 any deals and they're your they're your daddy so like you fucking do what they want and it doesn't 0.94

00:42:21 matter how much pressure gets put on you. And it allows things like this for groups like this to 0.98

00:42:27 spend unlimited amounts and, you know, get you to bend the knee for them. Now, if this guy gets,

00:42:33 you know, the nomination, how's he going to vote when it comes to funding for Israel,

00:42:39 which is actually becoming one of the issues that they're debating in more and more political

00:42:42 campaigns, given the changing sentiment on Israel in America. It's like, this is how it's done. And

00:42:47 this is a massive problem and i don't know what the solution is to that well i mean like i said

00:42:52 i think that it's important to rein in the money in politics through a constitutional amendment

00:42:56 that's really the only way to do it i okay so let's go back to the citizens united ruling which

00:43:02 i agree with you was a watershed moment i just find it strange that the argument in favor of

00:43:09 that ruling was that, well, you know, corporations are engaging in free speech by spending unlimited

00:43:18 amounts of money in these elections and on these particular candidates. But what about the speech

00:43:23 of the ordinary citizen? How is the ordinary citizen supposed to compete with a billionaire

00:43:29 or a group of billionaires or with a well-funded lobby that is far more concerned with a foreign

00:43:36 country than our own. How are you supposed to compete? And don't our speech rights matter as

00:43:40 well? And I mean, one of the issues. Well, that's a policy argument. You're right. I would I would

00:43:46 totally support a constitutional amendment along these lines. But, you know, the Supreme Court

00:43:49 can't there. You basically have the right to speak, but you don't have the right to have your

00:43:53 voice be the loudest one in the room. And so they wouldn't factor that in on how it's going to

00:43:58 affect the little guy. That's for our lawmakers who are a bunch of P words. You know, there's

00:44:04 just no leadership. There's no leadership. And that's, I mean, I got to admit, I don't know that

00:44:08 much about Thomas Massey. I know he's been a thorn in the president's side and I've seen people I

00:44:13 respect on the right say they can't stand him because he hasn't backed the president's agenda

00:44:18 and they found it really frustrating. But I would say in a personal matter, like I respect that he

00:44:23 has principles and he votes them. That's what I like about Rand Paul too. He doesn't go with the

00:44:29 wind. He seems to have a real worldview and he sticks by it when he's in office. I like that in

00:44:35 my politicians. I do. I'm much more amenable to the latest argument because I'm a lawyer. And so

00:44:41 I'm always trying to upgrade my information and my opinions. Politicians, they run on a platform

00:44:46 and then we expect them to govern based on what they promised. And I see what's being done to

00:44:51 him. They're clearly trying to tear him apart because of his stance on Israel, or at least

00:44:56 that faction is trying to tear him down and they're pouring so much money into this race

00:45:00 and they're it's working and it's disturbing it is disturbing one final thing i'll say about massey

00:45:04 you know people keep bringing up that he is a thorn in trump's side but make no mistake this

00:45:11 isn't because they have like significant ideological differences per se the only areas

00:45:17 in which congressman massey votes against trump's agenda is when he sees that the legislation is

00:45:23 going to add to our federal debt, which is a problem. It just is. And, you know, to be honest

00:45:28 with you, Megan, I mean, ever since I've been an adult and I've been working in the field I work

00:45:33 in, I've heard Republican members of Congress talk about the federal debt, talk about the deficit

00:45:39 over and over again. But they never seem to really care about it after they get elected.

00:45:44 Thomas Massey, they don't care. Thomas Massey is different. And so that principled stance,

00:45:49 I think is relevant. And also he's willing to work with the other side when there is common

00:45:55 ground on behalf of the American people. And yes, I'm talking about the release of the Epstein files 0.62

00:46:00 that was promised to the American people by the Trump campaign. But Trump didn't want to release

00:46:05 the files. And Massey was brave enough to step up to the plate, work with Marjorie Taylor Greene,

00:46:12 work with Ro Khanna, do what it what was necessary to get those files released. Now,

00:46:17 we don't have the full files yet. But still, what he managed to do is admirable. And there's no way

00:46:22 in hell his political opponent in this primary race would do the same. Yeah. And we have seen

00:46:28 actual things happen as a result of it, more so in the UK than in America. But a lot of folks have

00:46:35 been outed as doing nefarious things in those files. And we wouldn't know about it if it weren't

00:46:40 for the push to make that law, now that the law has a huge exception in it, that they're exploiting

00:46:47 to withhold certain documents. But I mean, they should be careful in withholding too much because

00:46:52 when we get a Democratic administration in there, if they're withholding stuff that makes

00:46:57 Republican donors look bad, et cetera, what do you think the next administration is going to do?

00:47:01 So in any event, it's good that we got the law passed. We'll see what happens with this

00:47:05 this particular primary. I want to mention, we talked just a second ago about inflation

00:47:11 and how much it's rising now. And obviously, everyone's looking at this just because they

00:47:17 care about their wallet, and they also care about it politically. What is it going to mean

00:47:21 if it keeps going through the summer, into the fall, and into the midterms?

00:47:26 Well, President Trump was on camera on Monday, and he was asked, was it Monday? Yeah, I think so.

00:47:33 He was asked a question, do we have it?

00:47:36 Yeah, about whether he thinks about Americans' financial situations when he's dealing with the Iranians in the context of these settlement talks.

00:47:47 And this has gone everywhere now as a potential campaign ad that's going to be used against him.

00:47:51 I have my own thoughts on it, but I want to get yours, too.

00:47:53 SOT 21.

00:47:54 When you're negotiating with Iran, Mr. President, to what extent are American financial situations motivating you to make a deal?

00:48:01 Not even a little bit. The only thing that matters when I'm talking about Iran, they can't have a nuclear weapon. I don't think about American financial situation. I don't think about anybody. I think about one thing. We could not let Iran have a nuclear weapon. That's all. That's the only thing.

00:48:20 OK, so there's no question that that answer will be cut and will wind up in ads by all Democrats opposing any Republican going into the midterms and maybe beyond.

00:48:32 Right. Anybody who worked for the Trump administration may have to answer for that in 28.

00:48:36 I don't think about the concerns of Americans at all, the financial concerns.

00:48:39 But I do think the president is being taken out of context a bit on this because the question was about when you're doing the negotiations with Iran and trying to settle the war.

00:48:48 And I think it's fair for a commander in chief to say in that moment. No, I'm just thinking about I can't let this opponent, this this country I see as an opponent, as an enemy, get a nuclear weapon. That's why I launched the war. This is Trump's story. So I actually think he should be more careful with his language because it's going to get used against his people.

00:49:08 But I do think on this particular one, the president's being unfairly bashed.

00:49:12 However, it's also true that he needs to be more focused on what's happening with the people's economy, with their with their pocketbooks, Anna, because that's all they seem to care about.

00:49:23 They don't like this war. They don't like what he's doing on virtually any issue and not virtually on any issue.

00:49:29 He's not above water on any issue. And we've got six months to go for him to try to change that.

00:49:35 your thoughts on it. I definitely disagree with you in terms of him being taken out of context

00:49:39 because he's the president of the United States. And so he has to consider the context of what

00:49:45 he's doing. And he genuinely believes and I can't even believe this because the whole thing with the

00:49:53 enriched uranium is a cover story by the Israelis. Israelis just wanted to go to us into war. So we 0.82

00:49:58 do regime change or yes or turn Iran into a failed state. But I guess he has been surrounded

00:50:04 with so many pro-Israel people fear mongering and pretending to care about Iran's enriched uranium

00:50:12 that he's starting to believe it to the point where he thinks that is more important than the 0.55

00:50:18 absolute devastation and destruction that he is bringing to the American people by being involved

00:50:23 in this illegal war so i just i i'm not going to give him a pass on this at all any president who

00:50:29 says i don't think about americans financial situation not even a little bit that's not a

00:50:35 good president your number one priority needs to be the american people macro you know he was

00:50:41 saying in this particular context that's not where i think i think if she had phrased it

00:50:44 what do you ever think about americans economic situation question mark the answer would have

00:50:51 been very different. I hope so. He's got to be careful. He's the president and it's going to be

00:50:55 held against him. Right. I hope so, too. Always a pleasure, my friend. Great to see you. Keep

00:51:00 giving him hell. Thank you. Good to be here. All right. Up next, really looking forward to 0.98

00:51:05 my very first conversation with Gregory Bovino. He's ready to talk very openly about the border

00:51:12 patrol, what happened between Noam and Homan and Trump and where our actual deportation strategy

00:51:20 truly stands now. Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, says Washington politicians

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00:52:13 Gregory Bovino was one of the most visible faces of the Trump administration's hardline border strategy.

00:52:19 If he had it his way, there would not be even one illegal immigrant left in this country.

00:52:25 Right on. 0.97

00:52:26 So it made him the perfect fit for the Trump administration.

00:52:29 And earlier this year, at the height of the immigration crackdowns,

00:52:32 it was Bovino serving as President Trump's Border Patrol commander at large.

00:52:37 But after the deaths of Renee Good and Alex Preddy in Minnesota,

00:52:41 which they brought on themselves, Bovino was sent back to California.

00:52:46 and then in March he retired. A total loss for us. So now he's on the outside and he's not holding

00:52:54 back, giving the inside story about where the promise of mass deportations stands now. Gregory

00:53:00 Bovino, welcome to the show. It's a pleasure to have you on. Well, Megan, thanks for having me.

00:53:05 It's good to see you. Yeah, you as well. Thank you so much for your service and for taking the

00:53:10 PR beating that came with your very difficult job. I mean, it was, of course, going to happen,

00:53:17 but it was particularly nasty and it was undeserved and you were doing something truly

00:53:22 noble and brave. Let me start it off right where we are as a show, because we were shocked to hear

00:53:29 Tom Homan go on CBS News and sound like the door was potentially open in a Trump administration

00:53:37 to amnesty here he was on cbs on may 5th stop 58 would you support a compromise sir that involves

00:53:46 giving legal status to the millions of people who are here illegally but are otherwise law-abiding

00:53:52 including dreamers i'm not going to get ahead of the president on that that's president you know

00:53:56 i work for the president so you know that's something has to be done to address that

00:53:59 population or is a solution to deport them all yeah i'm not going to get ahead of president

00:54:06 The president's talking to various members of his cabinet.

00:54:11 There's discussions going on.

00:54:13 I'm involved with some and not others, but I'm not going to get ahead of the president on this.

00:54:17 So he says he's not going to get ahead of the president when asked if they're getting ready to give amnesty to some faction of the illegals, which, you know, everybody was like, what?

00:54:29 Did somebody jump into Tom Homan, who we love, into his head and like reprogram things?

00:54:34 What's happening?

00:54:36 And then he came out with Will Cain over on Fox and suggested that he'd been taken out of context in that exchange.

00:54:45 We went back and looked at it.

00:54:47 There was nothing out of context.

00:54:48 The question was very simple.

00:54:50 The answer was ambiguous. 0.98

00:54:53 He wouldn't just say we want all the illegals out and that's our goal.

00:54:56 He said, I don't want to get ahead of the president when specifically asked whether there's an amnesty deal potentially in the works.

00:55:03 So then I asked my team, Gregory, I'm pretty sure that Holman has said in the past when asked the same question, no, all illegals have to go and was never hesitant to say all illegals have got to go and didn't try to hedge like I'm not going to get ahead of the president.

00:55:20 And this is what we found when we look back to see his rhetoric on that issue.

00:55:25 If you're in a country illegally, you're on the table.

00:55:28 Every time you enter this country illegally, you violate a crime under Title 8, United States Code 1325.

00:55:33 It's a crime.

00:55:34 So if you're in a country illegally, you've got a problem. 0.94

00:55:37 If you're in a country illegally, it's not okay.

00:55:40 It's not okay to violate laws in this country.

00:55:42 But when we find him, he's going to be with others, most likely.

00:55:45 Many times you're with others. 0.51

00:55:46 If they're in a country illegally, they're coming too. 0.97

00:55:48 We're going to have a mass deportation, but we're going to prioritize the arrest of criminals and public safety threats. 0.82

00:55:54 I'd say from day one, if you're in the country illegally, you're not off the table.

00:55:58 No one's off the table. 1.00

00:56:00 If you're in this country in violation of the law, we will deport you when we find you.

00:56:05 It's that plain and simple. 1.00

00:56:07 If you're in the country illegally, you're never off the table. 1.00

00:56:09 Let me say this. 0.99

00:56:12 If the message we send is you can enter this country illegally, it's a crime. 0.97

00:56:17 Don't worry about it. 0.95

00:56:18 You can have your due process, show up in court, not show up in court, get ordered, move.

00:56:22 Don't worry about it.

00:56:23 Unless you commit a serious crime, you're good to go.

00:56:27 If that's the message we send to the world, you're never going to fix this problem.

00:56:31 Okay, so how did we get from that to a question, 0.98

00:56:35 would you support a compromise that involves giving legal status to the millions of people who are here illegally,

00:56:41 but are otherwise law-abiding, including dreamers?

00:56:45 Homan, I'm not going to get ahead of the president on that.

00:56:49 I work for the president.

00:56:51 Megan, the first thing I would say on that is don't be a politician.

00:56:56 Borders are not a politician.

00:56:58 Border patrol agents aren't politicians.

00:57:00 It's black and white.

00:57:01 As you said, that's a black and white subject. 1.00

00:57:04 You're either here illegally or you're not. 0.93

00:57:06 If you're here illegally, then those mass deportations make sense for everyone, every single one of those illegal aliens here. 0.74

00:57:15 going back and hedging on that or not wanting to get ahead of another politician on that 0.54

00:57:22 vastly different than what we heard a year ago. And when we heard that a year ago,

00:57:28 we heard that loud and clear, not just from Tom Holman, but all through the administration. We

00:57:33 heard that loud and clear and we acted accordingly. It does seem like things have changed over this

00:57:40 past year. And whether that's towards amnesty or less deportations, I think the book's still open

00:57:48 on that. There is reporting, including from The Atlantic, that reports in January, the Labor

00:57:56 Department's Foreign Labor Certification Office announced it would cut the number of approved

00:58:01 visas for seasonal workers by about 50 percent. Stephen Miller had been trying for a long time

00:58:06 to get these things cut.

00:58:08 He did not want a lot of seasonal workers coming in.

00:58:11 But they report that after those two people

00:58:14 were killed in Minneapolis,

00:58:15 Trump reversed the visa cuts

00:58:17 and that Miller was not even aware of the walkback,

00:58:22 that Trump made the decision with Homan.

00:58:24 And they write the reversal was one of the earliest signs

00:58:27 that Stephen Miller's influence is on the wane.

00:58:29 Others have followed.

00:58:31 The president, for example,

00:58:33 dismantling the roving Border Patrol strike forces, his turning on Noam and ejecting of

00:58:40 her from the administration, and handing of control of the deportation program back to

00:58:45 career law enforcement officials. These are signs, they write, that the softer wing of the

00:58:51 immigration deportation issues is winning, and the more hardliners like Stephen Miller

00:58:57 are losing. Is that your belief too? It is. It's definitely a softer approach now.

00:59:03 much softer than it was a year ago when we hit Bakersfield in Operation Return to Cinder.

00:59:08 That softer approach, but what's really happening here is that softer approach means a much harder

00:59:15 approach for U.S. citizens, for mom and pa America, the ones that are going, and it's going to happen.

00:59:22 As sure as the sun rises today, Megan, American citizens are going to die at the hands of illegal

00:59:29 aliens, as well as many other terrible crimes against American citizens, it's going to happen.

00:59:35 That's what the softer approach brings. If you note what happened in all six of those cities,

00:59:41 that those roving patrols that you just mentioned were taking place, what happened in all six of

00:59:46 those cities is you didn't see a lot of these heinous crimes by illegal aliens. They were too

00:59:51 afraid of either being apprehended and deported, or they just buttoned up and wouldn't even come

00:59:57 out. That's what we want to do with roving patrols, with mass deportations, is make it so hard on them

01:00:05 that they don't harm American citizens, and then they self-deport. The softer approach

01:00:10 does not do that. Increasing visas does not do that. It's black and white. It's a very simple

01:00:15 concept, and it does seem like things have changed that we're going towards that softer side.

01:00:22 But again, the Atlantic reporting that we've dismantled the roving patrols,

01:00:26 of which you speak, that we decided, I guess, because of Minneapolis, that we were going to

01:00:33 take the pedal way off of the gas, take the foot way off of the gas pedal. And

01:00:38 this is a distinctive shift in policy that they didn't announce, Gregory. They don't really want

01:00:44 us to know. Because after this interview with CBS, Tom Homan gave a separate interview where

01:00:50 he started to amp up his rhetoric again, and he started to sort of talk tough again.

01:00:56 And the administration reportedly doesn't really want to own explicitly that they've gone softer.

01:01:03 But it seems very clear they have.

01:01:05 So why?

01:01:06 Did the Democrats win?

01:01:08 Did the crazies on the streets of Minneapolis win?

01:01:12 You know, I think it's got a lot to do with those that are advising Trump.

01:01:16 I've always said that President Trump was the best case scenario we've ever had for both border security and that interior enforcement piece.

01:01:25 And I still think he is.

01:01:26 It's just those individuals advising him, including many of those politicians that maybe they're in bed with big labor.

01:01:34 I call those rhinos.

01:01:36 I think you know what a rhino is, Megan.

01:01:38 And I think that he gets a lot of pressure or a lot of bad advice from some of those individuals that don't truly see what's at stake or perhaps they don't care what's at stake.

01:01:50 So when they dismantle a roving patrol, when they dismantle that hard-line immigration enforcement, the effects are noticeable immediately.

01:01:59 Look at the border numbers now.

01:02:01 They're actually moving border patrol agents, actually the second iteration of several hundred border patrol agents to Laredo, Texas, because that border is starting to get out of control.

01:02:12 Look at our border numbers.

01:02:13 Just two days ago, about 490 border crossers.

01:02:17 If you take a look at approximately a year ago, when we were doing those roving patrols in the interior, oftentimes this border crosser numbers would be 90 to 100 a day.

01:02:28 Now they're 490, approaching 500 a day, and a lot more gotaways coming across the border.

01:02:34 So, you know, and the reason the reason why you stated it and we pulled this article, which I feel like you're you're going to agree with every word of this, but you'll tell me is as follows.

01:02:47 This is posted to the Substack Old Patrol HQ.

01:02:51 Old Patrol HQ is a retired Border Patrol agent of 25 years who just delivers unfiltered truths.

01:02:58 And this is what he wrote.

01:03:00 He wrote an article about you, why Gregory Bovino had to go.

01:03:04 He writes as follows.

01:03:05 For decades, the U.S. has operated under an unwritten but ironclad understanding.

01:03:10 If you manage to sneak past the Border Patrol agents and CBP officers at the border, you've effectively bought yourself a ticket to stay.

01:03:18 Call it what it is, a social contract with illegal aliens. 0.51

01:03:22 The message is clear. 0.99

01:03:24 Play by the rules of this unspoken deal.

01:03:26 No other crimes or any other serious crimes.

01:03:30 And the system leaves you alone.

01:03:33 They write, he goes on to say, let's say, I'm just going through the highlights.

01:03:37 Men like former ICE director on Borders R. Tom Homan and CBP Commissioner Rodney Scott

01:03:41 are widely respected and revered for their careers in immigration enforcement and their

01:03:45 public stances on immigration, especially during the Biden auto pen presidency.

01:03:50 And they've spent years sounding tough on TV.

01:03:53 They say publicly how all illegals everywhere are, quote, on the table.

01:03:57 But then says, and while it's absolutely true that the border has been more shut down,

01:04:01 secured as another matter entirely, in this administration, even they are firmly loathe

01:04:08 and reluctant to break the boundaries of this social contract. Enforcement priorities have

01:04:13 almost always focused on criminals. Recent border crossers with detainers are those already in the

01:04:17 system. And then reiterates, though, that illegal aliens have to commit rape, murder, or some type 0.67

01:04:23 of heinous crime before they are targeted for arrest and deportation. Because we've agreed, 1.00

01:04:30 We've basically agreed that if you don't commit an additional crime, you can stay.

01:04:34 And he goes on to say, this is exactly why you became radioactive, because you were pushed

01:04:39 out because your approach exposed the uncomfortable truth everyone else had been ignoring.

01:04:44 America no longer seems to have the will, the stamina, the drive, or the desire to chase

01:04:49 down millions of illegals who are now already on detainers or warrants.

01:04:52 The country has quietly accepted a de facto amnesty for anyone who stays out of trouble. 0.99

01:05:00 That's so true. Is that totally true, Gregory?

01:05:03 It is in many aspects. I'll tell you, it's easy to talk tough when Biden's in office or Hussein

01:05:09 Obama was in office or Hillary Clinton in office. It's mighty easy to talk tough. But when it comes

01:05:15 to actually putting hands on those illegal aliens and deporting, you start seeing it starts

01:05:21 separating immigration officers from politicians, immigration officers from people that like to

01:05:28 talk tough, but when it comes down to actually doing that work, missing in action. A lot of

01:05:34 those individuals you mentioned, I never heard from them for a year. For a year, while we were

01:05:40 in the field at an operation at large throughout those six cities, never heard from them for an

01:05:44 entire year. It was on us, on us to do this mass deportations, which was fine. That's good. We'll 0.78

01:05:51 accept that. But a lot of work to be done. As far as the will, do we have the will to do this?

01:05:57 Well, if you talk to everyday citizens, it sure seems that we do. I run into citizens every day that say, hey, you're going back in the field to do that, right? This isn't over, right? 90% of the people that I talk to want that done.

01:06:15 95% of all immigration officers, I'm talking the rank and file there.

01:06:19 Let's make a distinction here.

01:06:20 The rank and file, they want it to be done.

01:06:22 So there's a lot of will.

01:06:24 It's just I think that will gets lost in the talking points of those who have lost their will.

01:06:31 The rhinos, the politicians, the people that it scares to get outside of status quo.

01:06:37 And that's what this is all about is outside of status quo.

01:06:40 How are you going to move the ball down the field?

01:06:42 Moving the ball down the field sometimes is a very difficult, unpretty, dirty process.

01:06:49 And, you know, you've got to get your got to get your britches dirty, in other words.

01:06:53 So I think that scares a lot of people.

01:06:55 It puts them outside their comfort zone.

01:06:57 What happens to bureaucrats and politicians when they're outside their comfort zone?

01:07:01 All they see is risk.

01:07:03 And a lot of them don't do well with risk.

01:07:07 Life's a risk.

01:07:09 Working's a risk.

01:07:10 What you're doing right now is a risk.

01:07:11 What made the difference here?

01:07:12 What made the difference here? Because President Trump, he doesn't scare easily. That's true. And but, you know, the stories out of Minneapolis were dominating the news, the lies that were being told about those encounters with Renee Good and Alex Preddy.

01:07:27 I mean, we're used to that, though. We're used to the mainstream media so-called lying about anything having to do with border enforcement or deportations.

01:07:36 So and the president's poll numbers on immigration were going down.

01:07:40 I mean, not unexpectedly as a result of what the media was doing around these protests and what the Democrats did in Minneapolis in particular.

01:07:48 So I could I could understand from a political standpoint, which he does have to consider how he was like, at least for a while, we got to take the temperature down and we got to get this off the front page of the newspaper.

01:07:59 But what what should he have done in your view?

01:08:02 uh i think he should have went harder um some things in minneapolis that perhaps he doesn't

01:08:10 know is those roving patrols that were so instrumental in quelling that same type of

01:08:16 violence in chicago los angeles charlotte new orleans and many other cities was largely absent

01:08:22 for those first several weeks of that minnesota campaign i tell you i would love to who was there

01:08:28 That was Border Patrol on ICE. ICE was there first. Border Patrol came to assist ICE on a two-day operation. It's just, Megan, on that two-day operation, while we were in the air, in those Coast Guard aircraft, on the way to Minneapolis, that's when Rene Good was killed. And that changed everything. That two-day operation then turned into a several-week operation with the Border Patrol. However, those roving patrols did not take place.

01:08:55 And I think that who made up sorry to keep interrupting, but who made up the roving patrol like who was in them?

01:09:01 Sure. Roving patrol. That's a term specifically for U.S. Border Patrol.

01:09:06 That's our ability to conduct what we call total spectrum immigration enforcement.

01:09:10 That means everything. That means we go out on patrol. We do targeting.

01:09:14 You've heard of the targeting. We do special operations, use aircraft.

01:09:17 That is a total enforcement package that that goes after anything immigration related, not just one specific subset like targeting or worse the worse or something like that.

01:09:29 So that is, in essence, what a roving patrol is.

01:09:33 And we really didn't we never got to the roving patrol.

01:09:36 That also includes crowd control, riot control, that type of thing.

01:09:41 And if you look back at Los Angeles or Chicago, we did very well with that crowd and riot control to the point they didn't test us at all in Los Angeles after that very first day.

01:09:54 Same thing in Chicago.

01:09:55 You may have heard of the Broadview facility, the riot control there.

01:09:59 They didn't test us.

01:10:01 They didn't march downtown Chicago like everyone was worried about because we set that standard very soon.

01:10:08 That did not happen in Minnesota.

01:10:10 The ICE folks, they do a great job.

01:10:12 Their leadership looks at things on a different plane than we do a different way.

01:10:19 And when you let those rioters and those anarchists get out of control, you've got to put that genie back in the bottle.

01:10:27 At some point, we didn't do that.

01:10:28 So I think Mr. Trump, I think he would have done that had he been advised correctly.

01:10:34 but i i don't think that he was getting the uh the proper advisement from whoever was advising him

01:10:40 and um that's too bad because i don't mean to be dense gregory just help me understand because i

01:10:45 genuinely want to get it so would there be a border patrol group that's there and an ice group that's

01:10:51 there and a separate group from border patrol called the roving patrol no border patrol is the

01:10:58 roving patrol that's that's one of the tactics or strategies that they use for that total spectrum

01:11:03 immigration enforcement. Remember, the Border Patrol is your uniformed law enforcement agency.

01:11:08 They have uniforms on. They're sort of like your street cops. Think of Border Patrol as your street

01:11:13 cops. Street cops, say, in New York City, for instance, they go out and they knock down street

01:11:18 crime. The detectives in New York City, which are more akin to ICE in Homeland Security

01:11:24 investigations, they investigate. They do targeted enforcement, that type of thing. Would you send

01:11:30 your detectives out to do street crime. No, you would send your uniformed border patrol agents,

01:11:36 your uniformed cops out to do those roving patrols, to take on that street crime, to take on 0.79

01:11:42 those everyday duties, to take on those millions of illegal aliens walking the streets with

01:11:47 impunity. That's definitely a uniformed law enforcement mission, something the border

01:11:51 patrol has done for 102 years. And, you know, I think that that sort of got upended there in

01:11:58 Minneapolis. And I hope it comes back because that's the key to all of this is total spectrum

01:12:05 immigration enforcement, mass deportations. You have to have a uniformed law enforcement agency

01:12:11 on the streets doing that. Remind me, if memory serves, ICE was involved maybe in the Renee Good

01:12:20 death and Border Patrol in the Alex Preddy. Is that correct?

01:12:24 That is correct. Renee Good used a vehicle and then Alex Preddy was in the streets attacking Border Patrol agents while they were conducting a law enforcement mission.

01:12:36 They were after an aggravated felon who actually got away because of Alex Preddy.

01:12:40 I think that's something that a lot of people don't realize is that individual that Border Patrol was actively seeking ended up getting away because Alex Preddy injected himself into that situation.

01:12:54 One of the things that went wrong in the wake of those deaths was the messaging around it. I think Kristi Noem, my own belief is Kristi Noem, in what I think was a well-meaning effort to have the backs of her guys, overstated the defense.

01:13:10 You know, she went hard against Alex Preddy in a way that the facts just didn't support, like that he was there to kill a bunch of cops. I can't remember her exact language, but it went too far and there wasn't factual support for it.

01:13:22 How do you see what Kristi Noem said around those two incidents?

01:13:27 Because I believe you're a fan of hers, but what do you make of the messaging?

01:13:31 One of the things I think the secretary, Secretary Noem wanted to do there was get information and messaging out as soon as possible.

01:13:40 In many of these shootings that we see throughout law enforcement, you wonder what happened.

01:13:45 Those conspiracy theories and stories start percolating up rather quickly.

01:13:50 She wanted to get out ahead of that.

01:13:52 And I thought that was a pretty smart move on her part, is to get out ahead of it, get some information out there as soon as possible.

01:13:59 Where she got her talking points from, what higher entity that she collaborated with for those talking points, I understand that did take place.

01:14:08 And she put those talking points out there.

01:14:10 I think that was in a good faith effort to put information out there so that the American public could understand that, one, there was a problem there in Minneapolis and that there were responsible parties for that.

01:14:25 It didn't just happen.

01:14:27 So she didn't come up with that on her own.

01:14:29 You're saying somebody gave her those so-called facts.

01:14:33 Who?

01:14:33 You know, I think that she worked with individuals on that messaging within the administration.

01:14:40 and i think white house people or ice or border patrol people probably all of the above

01:14:45 and um that was with you do you know what you're just being diplomatic yeah no um no i think that's

01:14:52 the best information remember there was a lot of information that no one had at that point like

01:14:56 what type of a weapon alex had or you know what exactly was going on so she put that information

01:15:03 out as soon as she could and based on what information was available at the time and

01:15:09 And, you know, I think that that was definitely a good faith effort on her part to put some

01:15:15 information out regarding the situation.

01:15:19 Yeah, you can't.

01:15:21 That's the problem is like putting information out is great, but don't don't say facts you

01:15:25 can't support because then it undermines everybody involved.

01:15:27 That's what happened.

01:15:28 Do you think I mean, how would you describe your departure from the administration?

01:15:34 Well, I tell you, I certainly miss my Mean Green team.

01:15:36 A lot of folks said I was up for mandatory retirement.

01:15:40 I actually had a year left, so I had some more gas in the tank there for mass deportations.

01:15:46 I would say that I'm a mass deportations kind of a guy, and many in the administration are not.

01:15:52 So we definitely came to loggerheads on how we go about deporting individuals from the United States.

01:16:01 I'm ready to go at it because self-deportations, and if they don't self-deport, 0.92

01:16:05 then we'll deport them ourselves. And I think a lot of folks saw that as maybe overly aggressive

01:16:12 there in the administration. And I'm not a politician. Those poll numbers you mentioned

01:16:18 earlier, I don't care about a politician. This confuses me. President Trump seems to be on board

01:16:23 with that, at least we think. Kristi Noem was certainly on board with that. Tom Homan may not

01:16:30 be totally on board with that, but he was an equal. He was a lateral to you, right? So it's like,

01:16:34 who, who, who wants the illegals to stay? Sure. I think that goes back to the influences that 0.99

01:16:42 surround Trump. And again, I'm not, I wasn't in the White House. I was more in the field

01:16:46 and not on Capitol Hill or engaged in a lot of those discussions. But I think the rhinos that 1.00

01:16:53 came out and attacked Christy Trump, I think that's probably a good starting point. I think that 0.99

01:16:57 Kristi Noem. Yes, Kristi Noem. And I think that there's a lot of folks there that did not believe in mass deportations on the scale that we were ready to put that into effect. And whether that was Tom Holman, Rodney Scott, you know, certainly I didn't hear from him for a year during that operation. So what was going on?

01:17:22 those not once not once wow so um wow you know i think that uh that it's probably you know two

01:17:32 different strategies and uh i guess they were mutually exclusive i think they should have been

01:17:38 integrated but probably mutually exclusive well tom holman came out and said once he swooped into

01:17:46 Minneapolis named Paul and said, you know, I'm I'm going to handle it and said, I'm going to get

01:17:53 these. I've gotten the attorney general to agree that the sheriffs can cooperate with ICE. And

01:18:02 before they release anybody from jail, whether they've been arrested temporarily or they're

01:18:07 actually getting out of serving a prison sentence, they now can. He said he got the

01:18:12 AG to acknowledge, call ICE, work with ICE on effecting any ICE detainer that may be on that

01:18:18 criminal so that before we just sent them loose out on the street after they bailed out or they've

01:18:23 served their terms in prison, they'll give ICE a call if there's a detainer or there's a deportation

01:18:28 order, et cetera, for this person. Now ICE will swoop in and arrest them to have an immigration

01:18:32 proceeding on them. But we pointed out at the time, Gregory, that that's not going to happen

01:18:37 in Minneapolis and St. Paul because they're sanctuary cities. By law, they don't cooperate

01:18:44 with ICE. And so we actually paid very close attention to see whether Tom Homan had pulled

01:18:49 a rabbit out of a hat that we had underestimated his ability to do. And there wasn't. The sheriff

01:18:57 of the Minneapolis main lockup facility came out and said, I'm not doing that. We haven't changed

01:19:04 one word of our policy. We are still sanctuary. And our policy is not to cooperate with federal

01:19:10 immigration officials on detainers or anything else. So nothing's changed. I don't know why

01:19:16 he's saying that. Of course not. It's a complete capitulation in Minnesota. And what that does

01:19:23 is that emboldens other sanctuary cities, other blue states. It also emboldens those

01:19:29 transnational criminal organizations to, guess what, traffic more people across the border into

01:19:35 the interior because there is no interior enforcement of meaningful impact taking place.

01:19:43 Mayor Fry there, good old Mayor Fry there in Minneapolis, he was calling for people to fight

01:19:50 Border Patrol in the streets. Now, if it's going from that to, hey, all of a sudden we're going to

01:19:55 we're going to start turning illegal aliens over to ICE. You know, we scratched our head at that

01:20:02 one. You know, that was never going to happen. And that was why we were in those communities

01:20:08 in the first place, going after that fraud, the leering center, the illegal aliens walking

01:20:13 the streets with impunity, just like we did in every single other city.

01:20:17 Yes. Okay. So I'm just trying to pull the actual statement from the local sheriff. Let's see.

01:20:33 I'm looking for it. Where is that, Deb? It says, yeah, I can hear you. Sorry.

01:20:43 Okay, stand by, because I want to read the audience exactly what the Hennepin County Sheriff said.

01:20:48 This is not Megyn Kelly's interpretation.

01:20:50 This is from the sheriff directly.

01:20:54 They're not doing what Homan suggested they were doing.

01:20:58 And here it is, per the Hennepin County Sheriff's website, as of May 4th.

01:21:02 In our jail, we do not honor administrative detainers or administrative warrants.

01:21:07 These documents are not criminal warrants signed by a judge.

01:21:11 we will only comply with a judicially signed warrant,

01:21:14 which is, that's sanctuary city policies.

01:21:16 That is not at all consistent with what Holman is saying.

01:21:20 Now, he may have gotten an agreement

01:21:22 from other lesser sheriff's office around,

01:21:24 in terms of size, I mean, around the state of Minnesota.

01:21:27 I don't know that.

01:21:28 But the big one in Minneapolis,

01:21:30 which we had all the fights over,

01:21:32 has not changed a thing.

01:21:34 It seems to me we have just waved the white flag there

01:21:36 and you seem to be confirming that.

01:21:38 Can you spend another minute on Laredo? Because this story hasn't gotten a lot of attention. President Trump just keeps declaring the borders closed. Absolutely no one's getting through. And unfortunately, I think because of that, you know, I read the blog post, the Substack post, because of that unspoken de facto amnesty that we have actually been offering, even under President Trump, which is we're only going to get rid of you if you commit an additional crime.

01:22:03 Like if you make it past Border Patrol and sneaking in and then you don't commit an additional felony, we're going to leave you alone.

01:22:11 There's a lot of employers who need you in the hotel industry, some other construction industry, retail, what have you.

01:22:17 We're going to let you stay.

01:22:18 We're going to allow you to go on the public dole if you need it.

01:22:21 And we're not going to bother you.

01:22:23 And therefore, the incentive to sneak across the border is kicking back in in the wake of our downshift.

01:22:31 It's kicking back in, which is why what's happening in Laredo matters.

01:22:34 Can you explain that?

01:22:37 Exactly.

01:22:38 What happens in the interior directly correlates to what happens on the border.

01:22:42 So interior enforcement, those roving patrols, those mass deportations in the interior, that directly affects what happens on the border.

01:22:50 You know, for many years, Megan, we heard, you know, we have to cut the spigot off.

01:22:54 We have to shut the border down before we go into the interior.

01:22:58 Us and the Border Patrol, we always knew that was a fallacy.

01:23:01 That was not true.

01:23:03 And you know what?

01:23:03 It's been proved now.

01:23:04 It's proven.

01:23:05 That's a proven fact now.

01:23:07 What happens in those cities and in the interior as far as interior enforcement is going to

01:23:14 either encourage or discourage folks from coming across the border.

01:23:18 Now that meaningful large-scale interior enforcement stopped, you're seeing places like Laredo

01:23:25 start to spark up a bit.

01:23:27 And this is just the beginning of that because this is worldwide now. Immigration is worldwide. It's not just folks, say, from Mexico or Central America. This is worldwide now. And you have drug cartels and transnational criminal organizations that are keeping a close eye on what's happening there in the interior because they make a lot of money smuggling illegal aliens across that border. 0.53

01:23:50 You know, $8,000, $10,000 a head for just your run-of-the-mill illegal alien, and a lot more than that if they come from, say, Red China or from some of those other countries.

01:24:01 So that's what's happening there in Laredo.

01:24:03 Again, we're on our second iteration of Border Patrol agents.

01:24:06 I believe approximately 200 Border Patrol agents were taken from other parts of the southwest border, piped into Laredo to quell that part of the border down.

01:24:15 But what we're going to see if these mass deportations and this interior enforcement doesn't kick back on in the interior, we're going to see other parts of the border.

01:24:25 It's like whack-a-mole.

01:24:27 They're going to shift to another part of the border and another and another and another.

01:24:31 And pretty soon, it's going to be just like what it was, a very chaotic environment with a lot of people coming across the border.

01:24:38 Because if they make it past the Border Patrol, there's nothing else in the interior that they have to worry about.

01:24:44 And let me tell you, they're not worried. They're not worrying about targeting or worse to the worst. That's the least thing they're worried about is targeting or worse to the worst. Because, again, they don't look at themselves as worse to the worst. They say, I'm here to work in the hotel room or in the fields or collect welfare. Whatever they're coming to do, they're not looking at themselves as worse to the worst.

01:25:05 and that just begets more immigration or i'm sorry more illegal migration and then you know

01:25:12 what we've got that de facto amnesty uh we've always said that's de facto amnesty they get

01:25:17 past the border patrol what's next amnesty that in itself begets even more illegal immigration

01:25:24 it's game on for the bad guys right now yeah what are they they don't really care about becoming a

01:25:31 citizen. They don't actually have to become a citizen. They want to live here. They want to

01:25:35 work here. They want to possibly go on the public dole and they want to send checks home to Mexico. 0.97

01:25:39 And we're allowing it. We're allowing it. The shipping the prisoners off to

01:25:45 Seacott in El Salvador. That was the kind of stuff that scared people like Christy Noem going down

01:25:52 there, like doing the the selfie video in front of all those prisoners. It may have been sort of

01:26:00 in rough taste, right? Like it was a little jarring to see, but that was the point to make

01:26:06 it uncomfortable. Everyone's going to see like, that could be me behind those bars.

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01:29:30 what the stats show Gregory is that now under Trump's presidency we've gotten more than 3

01:29:41 million illegals out of the country that's 713,000 deportations this is per the Department

01:29:48 of Homeland Security as of March 2026 713,000 deportations and estimated 2.2 million self

01:29:56 deportations. So the self-deportations dwarf the actual ejections by, you know, Homeland Security

01:30:04 and Border Patrol, etc. But the reason those numbers are going to go down is because of the

01:30:11 softer touch, because we seem to be returning to de facto amnesty. You make it past Bovino's,

01:30:17 guys. You're good. No one's coming to find you. How many times have you heard of the CBP home app

01:30:24 used since I left Minnesota. I've heard it one time. I think Mullen mentioned at one time the

01:30:30 CBP Home app. Something that I think would be interesting for your viewers is Secretary Noem

01:30:36 actually listened to us as far as those ads that she put out. One of the things we said is when

01:30:42 you get on there and you talk about the CBP Home app, the $2,600 and the free plane ticket and all

01:30:48 that to self-deport to whatever country you came from, that is having an effect. And we knew it

01:30:54 was having an effect because we talked quite closely with our partners there at the ports

01:30:59 of entry, whether that was an airport or an actual land port of entry, and the lines going south out

01:31:05 of the country, whenever she would get on, whenever she was on TV talking CBP Home app, or myself

01:31:12 talking CBP home app, it was having an effect. That coupled with that good, tough, hard-nosed

01:31:19 immigration enforcement, hey, that's what we wanted to happen, Megan. We want them to self-deport.

01:31:25 We would rather them self-deport rather than me put handcuffs on 100 million illegal aliens. Let's 1.00

01:31:30 just have them self-deport for us. But for that to happen, it has to be so very tough on them

01:31:36 here in the United States that they can't work, they can't recreate, they can't go to the grocery

01:31:42 store, they can't do anything. And we proof tested that in Los Angeles, operation at large.

01:31:49 That whole city was locked down for almost a year. Unfortunately, I talked to some of my

01:31:55 Border Patrol colleagues who are still active. Many of those areas in Los Angeles now, specifically

01:32:01 the fashion district downtown los angeles they're back flourishing again they were not flourishing

01:32:07 uh while we were there for that year of of of occupation there in what about e-verify

01:32:14 what about e-verify gregory where like you can't hire this personal as they actually produce proof

01:32:19 of citizenship many people believe that would be the greatest thing to lead to self-deportation but

01:32:25 it won't get implemented across the board you got to implement it first that's that's that's the

01:32:30 number one thing. If you implement it, that's going to be one facet. But remember, immigration

01:32:34 enforcement, and that's why we call it total spectrum immigration enforcement. E-Verify would

01:32:39 be one facet of total spectrum immigration enforcement. You've got a whole bunch of other

01:32:45 things, shutting down remittances, making it difficult for an illegal alien to own land,

01:32:51 mass deportations, a whole slew of things, anything you can bring to bear to cause those

01:32:58 self-deportation. So E-Verify is great. We need it. Big fan of E-Verify and work site enforcement.

01:33:05 Definitely, that would definitely have an effect. But there's a lot of illegal aliens who are on 0.94

01:33:09 the dole who don't go to a workplace. We got to cut that off also. Total spectrum immigration 0.99

01:33:14 enforcement. It's not that hard, Megan. We've got a great strategy there in the board of control.

01:33:20 We spent years writing this strategy before we went into those cities. That's one of those things

01:33:24 I would love to have talked to President Trump on.

01:33:27 I think he got bits and pieces of that strategy.

01:33:30 He's getting bits and pieces of things that sound good to him.

01:33:34 And I think he acts on those bits and pieces.

01:33:36 Again, he's the best president we've got for immigration and that type of thing.

01:33:41 But I don't think he's getting the whole story.

01:33:43 He hasn't gotten the whole story over the past year or so.

01:33:46 There's a lot more things we can do, e-verifying being just one of those things that we can

01:33:51 do to cause people to self-deport and say, you know what? I think I need to do this the right

01:33:57 way. If you remember, Noam always said, hey, go back to your country, do it the right way,

01:34:02 and you still have a chance of immigrating legally to the United States. You never hear

01:34:08 that now. I never hear that message now. And that's why our self-deportations are plummeting

01:34:15 as we speak. They're plummeting. No one's scared. They're just going to say, you know what? De

01:34:20 facto amnesty. Well, and the other problem we have is there's no wall. We did not build the

01:34:26 wall. And when President Trump leaves office, there is no guarantee that a Republican is going

01:34:31 to replace him. So we're we could have a situation where other than Rahm Emanuel, I don't hear any of

01:34:38 the Democrat candidates talking about holding on to Trump's border policies, which have been so

01:34:44 much more effective than any of his predecessors. No one's talking about doing that. So more than

01:34:48 unlikely we're going to get, if a Democrat wins, another open border situation, which we wouldn't

01:34:53 have to worry that much about if we had a wall. We just spent, the administration says it's 25 to

01:35:01 29 billion on this war. The true estimates, according to people who are watchdogs of what

01:35:05 we're actually spending is more like double that, over $50 billion on this war. The Pentagon is back

01:35:11 asking for well over a trillion dollars for its budget.

01:35:15 I mean, for a fraction of that,

01:35:18 we could complete the wall at the southern border

01:35:20 and set ourselves up for decades

01:35:22 of a more successful border policy down there.

01:35:25 Gregory, why don't we have a wall?

01:35:28 Because the war is not here at home.

01:35:30 That war needs to be here at home. 1.00

01:35:32 That war is those 100 million illegal aliens here 1.00

01:35:34 that are sucking us dry, 1.00

01:35:37 are culturally changing our society.

01:35:39 That's the real war that needs to be fought here.

01:35:42 So once that is taken into context as the real threat to America, then perhaps we can get that wall built.

01:35:51 When you speak of the wall, the wall is not just the wall.

01:35:54 It's the wall and all the accoutrements associated with the wall, all that detection technology, all those things and people that make it so very difficult to cross that border.

01:36:03 So you're right, a completed wall with all that technology and infrastructure and workforce, that would make it very difficult.

01:36:13 Even if there was a Democratic administration that came into office, it would make it very difficult for another mass migration to occur.

01:36:20 I'll tell you what, quite frankly, it scares the heck out of me to think what could happen if another liberal administration came in.

01:36:27 because guess what they're going to take a look at what joe biden did with those tens of millions

01:36:32 of illegal aliens that came across and i think we've seen nothing yet i think we could see a lot

01:36:38 more than that because they come across and and what we're going to wave the white flag yet again

01:36:44 and not conduct mass deportations well you know what you've got an america that has been made over

01:36:50 into something that you and i will not even will not even recognize that's what scares me

01:36:57 Do you think the numbers are that big?

01:36:59 A hundred.

01:37:00 You think there are a hundred million illegals in this country?

01:37:03 You're saying on top of the 330 million American citizens.

01:37:06 So we've got 430 million in the country, a hundred million of which are illegal.

01:37:10 I do.

01:37:10 I do believe that.

01:37:12 Megan, let's look at the numbers from 1975.

01:37:15 1975 Pew and all the other ones were talking 12 to 15 million.

01:37:20 When I came into the Border Patrol 30 years ago, 12 to 15 million.

01:37:23 2015 12 to 15 million but the only thing that was that was not making sense is working on the

01:37:31 border seeing this mass incursion of illegal aliens every single year coming into the united

01:37:37 states we all knew well there's no possible way it's 15 million and you know in my research i

01:37:43 looked at some other uh some other folks that have done some research bear starns and then that

01:37:48 yale mit study those were two of the first studies to put that at above 15 million i believe theirs

01:37:54 was approximately 25 million and wow for them just to say 25 million in 2016 that was that was that

01:38:03 was huge definitely still too low and since then look at what came in under joe biden 80 percent of

01:38:10 that border was wide open 80 percent a lot of we don't even know what came in 80 percent of your

01:38:16 entire southwest border had no detection no border patrol agents nothing and there is no telling

01:38:23 what came across that we didn't detect and then what we did detect was in the millions uh many

01:38:29 that were still unvetted but the millions that came in on top yes i do put that number at 100

01:38:35 million and what we saw in those major cities those six cities as well as many other regions

01:38:40 in the united states what we saw there as far as traffic patterns um uh children attending school

01:38:48 or not attending school when we were in those cities uh correlates pretty pretty well with

01:38:54 that hundred million take a look at charlotte 153 000 commuters 30 to 40 percent of the 153 000

01:39:01 quit commuting when we were in charlotte for operation charlotte's web on that four day up

01:39:06 that was just a four-day operation really four-day operation and when you've got 30 to 40

01:39:11 percent taken out well that correlates pretty darn well with 100 million same thing with the

01:39:17 school children um they just revamped that estimate not a lot of people know this they

01:39:21 just revamped the estimate of absent of absenteeism in the charlotte mecklenburg schools

01:39:27 30 plus while we were there for that four-day operation look what a four-day operation did

01:39:34 to that two-state area. Completely shut it down. I would say there were probably a lot of self-deportations

01:39:40 getting ready or already occurring there in Charlotte. So $100 million, absolutely. I stand

01:39:46 by it. And a lot of people are saying, well, that's too high. He's crazy. Oh, Chief Bovino is

01:39:50 absolutely crazy. Doesn't know what he's talking about. Well, you know what? Show me another number. 0.99

01:39:54 No one else is even daring to throw another number out because it's definitely looking like

01:40:01 That 100 million is a quite definable and achievable number as far as the number of illegal aliens here in the United States.

01:40:10 Your use of the word chief reminded me to ask you, the current Border Patrol chief, Mike Banks, is resigning, effective immediately.

01:40:20 This is just breaking per Fox's Bill Malusian.

01:40:23 He says, it's just time.

01:40:25 I feel like I got the ship back on course

01:40:27 from the least secure disastrous chaotic border

01:40:30 to the most secure border this country's ever seen.

01:40:32 Time to pass the reins, 37 years.

01:40:34 It's time to enjoy the family and life.

01:40:36 I must mention that in April,

01:40:38 the Washington Examiner did a report on him

01:40:41 allegedly taking regular trips abroad 0.98

01:40:43 to engage in sex with prostitutes 0.96

01:40:47 like to Colombia and Thailand, 0.99

01:40:50 which doesn't sound like a great idea.

01:40:51 I don't know whether that's true, but maybe it had a hand in his decision to step down.

01:40:57 What do you make of the resignation of Chief Mike Banks?

01:41:00 Several things there, Megan.

01:41:02 I talked to Chief Banks about 30 minutes before coming on your show, and he was quite gracious in what he was saying there.

01:41:10 What I will say is that Chief Banks and I are both mass deportations people, just like Kristi Noem, Corey Lewandowski and others.

01:41:17 mass deportations folks and we're all no longer employed by department of homeland security what

01:41:24 does that tell you uh so when we talk about politicians and politics none of us were

01:41:31 politicians or engaged in politics but that's a very dirty business a very tough business

01:41:37 we're all no longer working for department of homeland security we are all mass deportation

01:41:43 hardliners. And I use that term with great pride. Am I an immigration hardliner? You bet.

01:41:50 Mike Banks was a fantastic immigration hardliner. And the same thing that happened to Christine

01:41:57 Dome is now happening to Mike Banks. All of a sudden, they pull a rabbit out of their hat

01:42:01 and these individuals, you know, oh, my gracious, they're the worst, worst thing since sliced bread.

01:42:07 That's what I think about what just happened to Mike Banks. As a matter of fact, I think

01:42:11 That prostitution thing had been that had been investigated many years ago and he was cleared.

01:42:19 So that's what they're not telling you there.

01:42:21 There's a reason that that wound up in a conservative newspaper, Washington Examiner, when it did.

01:42:27 In other words, weeks before he would resign.

01:42:30 Absolutely. You bet. You bet. This stuff doesn't happen just by chance.

01:42:35 This doesn't happen by chance. There's a lot of snakes, a lot of swamp creatures still out there.

01:42:41 So careful, America, still some swamp creatures out there.

01:42:45 And before we go mass deportations and before we return to hardline immigration, those snakes need leave.

01:42:53 Gregory, thank you. Can you please come back? I love talking to you.

01:42:57 That was fantastic, Megan. Thank you for having me.

01:43:00 Thank you for your service to our country, too. We need you. We need a lot more just like you.

01:43:04 Wow. We're back tomorrow with Glenn Greenwald. Thank you all for being with us today.

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Dems EAT Their Own in California, with Ana Kasparian, and Trump's ＂Softer＂ Deportation Approach, with Gregory Bovino ｜ Ep. 1317

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