The Megyn Kelly Show - Dems Panic Over Kamala's Emptiness, and Vance Takes on ABC Over Venezuelan Gangs, with Charles Cooke, MBD, and Allie Beth Stuckey ｜ Ep. 916

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.080 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Happy Monday.

00:00:16.160 It's three weeks to go now before Election Day. Can you believe it? Three weeks to go,

00:00:21.160 and there's a ton of news. Vice President Kamala Harris is out today trying to counter the polls,

00:00:26.040 showing she is shedding support with black men. Governor Tim Walz is going hunting and failing

00:00:34.160 on a number of levels. And Senator J.D. Vance is taking on the corporate media in an interview

00:00:39.200 with ABC's Martha Raddatz. That may be one of the most memorable exchanges of the 2024 campaign.

00:00:46.000 This person used to be a respected journalist. I don't know what's happened to her,

00:00:49.500 but she's a hot mess now. And we'll show you the latest example of that. Joining me now, 1.00

00:00:53.220 two of our friends from National Review, Charles C.W. Cook, is host of the Charles C.W. Cook podcast,

00:00:59.960 and Michael Brendan Doherty is senior writer for National Review.

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00:02:09.280 Charlie, MBD, welcome back, guys. Great to have you, especially on this day. Man,

00:02:15.100 a lot's happening. All right, let me just kick it off with a little polling news, and then I would

00:02:19.880 love to know your explanations as to why you think this news is so bad for her today. I mean, look,

00:02:26.720 overall, the race is tied, so nobody should be heaving any sighs of relief on Team Trump, but he's got

00:02:33.620 the momentum right now, and even his detractors are admitting it. ABC News slash Ipsos, likely voters,

00:02:40.360 Harris is up 250 to 48. That's within the margin of error. That's basically a tie. But the last poll

00:02:46.840 in mid-September had her up five, five. Among registered voters, for what it's worth, she's 0.91

00:02:54.640 up two as well, and the last poll in mid-September had her up four. In that same poll, 56 percent say

00:03:01.480 they now favor deporting all illegal immigrants in this country. That's up 20 points from eight years ago.

00:03:10.360 Think of that. Wow. And same percentage, 56 percent believe the federal government should restore

00:03:17.740 access to abortion to the level it was pre-Dobbs, which reversed Roe versus Wade. ABC found 44 percent

00:03:27.340 say they are not as well off financially as they were under Trump. So the economy, immigration,

00:03:33.740 abortion, all playing major roles. Then let me jump to NBC. This is a poll of registered voters,

00:03:39.020 dead even. Dead even. 48, 48. But the last poll in September had Harris up five. Are you sensing a

00:03:47.500 trend? What caused the change? September, she had a net positive of plus three. Now she has a net

00:03:55.300 negative overall rating of minus six. In immigration, Trump has fortified his approval. In September,

00:04:05.800 he was up 21 points over her. Now he's up 25 points over her. He went up three points in his approval

00:04:12.320 over how he would handle inflation versus her. And even when it comes to who represents change,

00:04:18.580 which voters want, she had a nine point advantage over him in September. Now it's gone down four points 0.98

00:04:24.600 to only five. Here's the final. Are Biden's policies helping or hurting you? They're helping 25 percent.

00:04:33.120 They are hurting 45 percent. And it's almost the exact reverse when they ask about Trump's policies.

00:04:41.180 44 percent say they were helping and 31 percent say they hurt. Wow. A lot in there.

00:04:46.960 Charles, I'll start with you. Why do you think that is? Mid-September, it's October 13th today? Yes.

00:04:54.480 14th today? 14th. So what do you think caused the difference?

00:04:59.740 I think she did. I keep being told, I think with some reason, that Donald Trump has struggled to define

00:05:10.320 her, that they didn't get out there quickly enough, that they were beaten in the ad market. And I think

00:05:17.120 there is something to that. The first impression of Kamala Harris that everyone had was the one that

00:05:23.420 the press created, she being an avatar. But it seems to me that many of the declines in her fortunes,

00:05:32.880 and as you say, the election is still tight. So we ought not to forget that. But many of the declines

00:05:38.600 in her fortunes have been the result of her going out there and trying to speak English in public,

00:05:47.080 which she can't do. This has always been the challenge for them. Trump has his own challenges.

00:05:55.480 He's not going to change. But he's also been with us for 10 years. She is new. People are discovering

00:06:03.160 what she's like. So it seems to me that she had two choices. One was to hide, in which case you allow

00:06:09.720 the Republicans to define you. And the other is to go out there and define yourself. But she's been out

00:06:14.600 there defining herself and her favorability ratings have dropped nearly 10 points. And she's struggling

00:06:20.920 on a number of the issues. And you would expect that because she's incapable of answering questions. 1.00

00:06:26.760 She is incapable of accounting for her past positions. She doesn't even have an answer when asked, 1.00

00:06:33.400 what would you do differently than Joe Biden? She didn't have an answer to that question when she'd been

00:06:38.840 asked it in the morning and flubbed it and then was asked it the same day. Again, she couldn't do it.

00:06:45.400 She's fundamentally unimpressive. She's fundamentally hollow. And she's fundamentally on the wrong side of a

00:06:51.160 number of issues that matter. Now, yes, there are exceptions to that. Abortion is one of them. And it's

00:06:56.840 no accident, I think, that that is the one topic on which she is eloquent and forceful and knows the

00:07:02.760 arguments. But when it comes to the economy, when it comes to the border, when it comes to inflation, when it

00:07:08.120 comes to Joe Biden, she can't answer the question. So I think most of this has been inflicted by Kamala Harris

00:07:14.360 on herself.

00:07:16.080 I mean, MBD, he has a point, because if you look at what changed between mid-September and

00:07:20.920 right now, mid-October, that's the biggest thing. She got out there. She started talking.

00:07:28.120 Yeah, that's it. Charles is absolutely right. She's the one doing this to herself.

00:07:33.720 Tim Walls has also been totally unimpressive. He was unimpressive in his debate with J.D. Vance.

00:07:40.080 He is kind of weird and unsettling as an interview guest or even, you know, in a photo, you know,

00:07:48.860 a candid shot on the campaign trail. They have not projected confidence or competence.

00:07:56.860 And meanwhile, I think Trump is actually doing some things right that are booing him. I mean,

00:08:02.620 he's at basically his highest approval rating since he walked down the, you know, since he came down

00:08:07.960 the escalator nine years ago. And I think one reason is he is focused almost relentlessly on

00:08:16.060 suburban voters and their core concerns about the economy and immigration. And I think he is

00:08:23.520 benefiting tremendously from a kind of side campaign that's being conducted by figures like

00:08:31.280 Tucker Carlson or, you know, RFK Jr., who are going out there doing events and kind of rallying that

00:08:41.240 populist base that Trump brought into politics nine years ago, while Trump is speaking to,

00:08:47.420 you know, moms and dads in the suburbs about their key concerns. I think both those things are working

00:08:52.580 together to kind of fill out his coalition at a time when people are judging Harris and aren't really

00:08:59.440 sure about her now. You know, she just doesn't have any of the, you know, she came out onto the stage 0.98

00:09:07.320 in the democratic convention. And that was kind of her peak moment. And ever since then, she's been

00:09:12.820 totally unimpressive, um, and, and totally unable to distinguish herself from Joe Biden.

00:09:19.340 So in that way, you know, she is now running on Biden's record. She, she won't distance herself

00:09:25.800 from it. And people don't like the condition of the country as it is right now.

00:09:29.180 And BD, what do you make of the fact that he's gone up four points on his immigration rating on how

00:09:38.920 people feel about his immigration policies and presumably messaging in the wake of they're eating

00:09:47.980 the dogs. Like I heard you guys talking about this on the editors. That's him bringing an issue home to

00:09:54.500 people in a, in a way that you can remember. I mean, that's the thing about Trump, believe it or

00:10:00.900 don't believe it. And frankly, I mean, I saw two cats on a barbecue and on Chris Rufo's feed, but

00:10:05.860 whatever, it's easy to remember and it's horrifying. And either way, it keeps the issue in the news

00:10:11.580 nonstop. Right. And it's totally, and again, it's connected at that suburban voter. I mean, who cares

00:10:19.440 more about their pets than people that spend, you know, money on like massage therapy for

00:10:24.360 their, for their cats, like the suburban people, you know? And so, yeah, he's, he's also right that

00:10:33.940 like, there are these stories coming out. There's, you know, a new documentary out, a new Chris Rufo

00:10:39.580 piece about a community in Pennsylvania that's had an influx of 4,000 Haitian immigrants in the past

00:10:46.500 couple of years. And it does, it changes the culture of these, of these towns. It makes it

00:10:53.460 forbidding for residents and, you know, issues about foodways or, you know, traffic accidents

00:11:01.300 can totally change, you know, people's intensity and perception of this issue. I mean, even,

00:11:09.320 you know, locally in my own community a few years ago, a huge slate of immigration restrictionist

00:11:15.840 candidates were elected because an illegal immigrant crashed into a young girl and her mother coming out

00:11:23.100 of a dance studio. The driver was illegal and drunk and killed them both. And, you know, the next election

00:11:29.920 was a reckoning because it was only after he'd killed two people that ICE decided to do anything

00:11:35.740 about this guy who had been a scufflaw for years. So, you know, it's those memorable stories that, 1.00

00:11:42.620 that, um, you know, uh, that really jump out and Trump has been telling them on the campaign trail.

00:11:51.000 Charlie, the, uh, problem of her speaking continues. I guess she hasn't quite gotten the message that

00:11:58.860 she's not good at this and we know it. And it's not just the guys from national review and me,

00:12:06.240 those are not the only ones who know it. Her voters know it because her numbers are going down 1.00

00:12:12.060 with independence, uh, who previously had shown an open mind toward her. So what does she do more

00:12:18.720 and this morning she continued the inane messaging that we have seen so many times over and over and

00:12:31.620 over this audience knows exactly what to expect now before I even play this soundbite. This is the

00:12:36.900 moment where I wish I could have my audience speak as I speak audience. I will give you one guess

00:12:42.460 what, what three words she used in addressing the, in these streets guys, uh, on what she just loves

00:12:51.860 about America has to do with our dreams and ambitions. And I'm sure aspirations. I can't

00:13:00.680 remember exactly, but she says exactly the same thing everywhere she goes. It's not a policy. It's

00:13:06.560 just some amorphous goal that she's using to try to make herself sound like Barack Obama, but failing. 1.00

00:13:11.200 Take a listen to SOT 2. How do we, how do we get here? You smell good. You look good. Oh,

00:13:17.220 that's better than smelling bad. Thank you. I know. You smell great. You look great. Do you feel

00:13:24.080 great? It has been a whirlwind for you. I feel good. You know, listen, we have 23 days as of today

00:13:30.140 until the election and I'm in these streets traveling and talking with folks. I'm out here doing the work

00:13:38.260 of earning then the vote so that we can get to the job of continuing to move forward. And for me,

00:13:45.660 that is about pushing for an opportunity economy, which is about tapping into the ambitions and the

00:13:52.640 aspirations of folks. I know the ambitions, the aspirations, the incredible work ethic that exists

00:14:01.300 in our community. I know the dreams that exist, but not everyone has started out on the same base

00:14:10.180 in terms of being able to realize their goals and their dreams. So my plan is to build what I call an

00:14:18.080 opportunity economy, which means giving people an opportunity to actually achieve those ambitions,

00:14:25.640 those goals and those dreams. Oh my God, Charlie, I can't Charlie, even my intellect cannot handle it.

00:14:33.740 And I can't imagine what it is like for someone with your big brain. By the way, I just need to

00:14:38.080 correct myself. The podcast call is called the shade room. I misread a, a quote about what she says in

00:14:44.560 it for the name of the podcast, which I confess I've never heard of, but what do you make of that

00:14:48.840 stirring message? What I make of it is that she can't think. See, I think, as I've said before,

00:14:57.340 the people mistake what's going on here. They think she's not eloquent or that she's nervous or

00:15:04.120 that she's just unused to speaking in public. But I think what we just saw was another example of how

00:15:11.720 she just doesn't have anything in her head. She hasn't ever contrived a worldview. She doesn't

00:15:18.780 have any ideological moorings. She's never thought about policy. The description of the economy

00:15:26.260 she says she wants to build never gets beyond that. I mean, you're right to point out that she

00:15:31.720 uses the same three words, but she's been tweeting recently. And that's why I have a plan.

00:15:38.540 But she never says what it is. There's no second tweet. There's no link to anything else. Now, I

00:15:43.620 understand that politics is about more than white papers. I understand you have to talk in generalities

00:15:50.540 to some extent, show where you stand, and for whom you stand. But there are very few politicians who

00:15:59.520 limit their entire verbal output to cliches. They do at some point get into the details. And she just

00:16:07.580 can't do it. I mean, a good example of this was in her interview with Stephanie Rule, hardly a hardball

00:16:13.260 sit down, where she said, you know, we need to make the rich pay their fair share. Now, that's a stump

00:16:19.720 line. That's a cliche that has been uttered by Joe Biden and Barack Obama before her. And then Stephanie

00:16:27.560 Rule said to her, well, what happens if Congress is run by Republicans, and they refuse to raise the taxes

00:16:34.620 you want? And she said three times, well, we have to. And then she said, and that's it. That's not an

00:16:41.600 argument. That's not a position. There is nothing to that. That is just absolute fluff. I don't believe

00:16:50.480 there is anything more to Kamala Harris than you just saw. And I think your listeners by this point

00:16:56.640 should know, I'm fair minded enough to accept when that is not true. And I had a lot of problems with

00:17:02.980 Barack Obama. I really did not like Barack Obama. We could talk for days about why I didn't like

00:17:08.140 Barack Obama. But obviously, the man is smart. And obviously, the man had thought about what he

00:17:13.640 believed and what he wanted to do. Bill Clinton before him, even more so. Bill Clinton, by all

00:17:20.080 accounts, was somebody who could answer the second question and the third question and the fourth

00:17:23.780 question, who really was interested in policy as the governor of Arkansas, and then as president of the

00:17:29.440 United States, Harris has never shown in anything that she has done before or after this candidacy

00:17:35.460 that she has any knowledge whatsoever beyond the first point. She just repeats these phrases

00:17:41.560 and then moves on. And I don't think there's anything there.

00:17:45.940 I think you're being too hard on her. Listen to her in Scottsdale, Arizona, speaking specifically

00:17:53.340 to what is at stake in this election. So when we think about what's at stake in this election,

00:18:03.080 whoa, it's packed with some stuff. It's packed with some fundamental stuff.

00:18:13.160 I say rather articulately.

00:18:15.520 Oh, my God. Do you want to take it all back? You feel bad now, right? I've proven you wrong.

00:18:26.080 The laugh is a giveaway, too. She knows. She knows at one level that she's got nothing there.

00:18:33.680 She knows what we know. MBD, there's just I've got because I have to. I must show you and the

00:18:40.040 audience. They know, but it's it bears reinforcing. She only has a couple of tricks. That's it. 0.99

00:18:45.520 She's got a few tricks and she trots them out and she tries each time to say it like it's the first

00:18:50.340 time she's saying it. But there's nothing else there. Be one thing if these were sprinkled

00:18:54.120 amidst more substantive policy prescriptions. But here she was sitting down with Roland Martin

00:18:59.500 in Sat. One. Take a listen.

00:19:04.360 Why do you want this? Why do you want to be president?

00:19:09.880 There's somebody who's saying, why should I trust her with the power of being commander in chief?

00:19:15.520 I love our country, Roland.

00:19:18.380 Oh, God.

00:19:19.000 I believe I believe in the American people.

00:19:23.060 And I know we are people who have the character that have ambition, that have aspirations,

00:19:30.100 dreams.

00:19:31.020 I can't.

00:19:31.260 And I intend to be a president who meets people with opportunities for them to to not just get

00:19:41.380 by, but get ahead.

00:19:44.000 No, it's what she calls an opportunity economy.

00:19:47.680 MBD. That's what she called.

00:19:49.120 She she came up with this clever phrase.

00:19:50.900 My team doesn't show me all these before the show.

00:19:54.760 They just they just tell me about them in the packet.

00:19:57.380 And I see them as you guys see them.

00:19:58.680 I really don't know how much more of this I can handle.

00:20:03.080 It's ludicrous that this person is running for president.

00:20:06.600 Um, I'm not sure it's an improvement on Joe Biden, fundamentally.

00:20:12.240 Um, you know, she's be honest, she's not, she's not really that more cogent than he is.

00:20:18.700 Um, she doesn't, you know, produces that many more sentences than he does.

00:20:24.360 And it's actually even worse when you really look at it, because not only is it substanceless,

00:20:30.720 and she's trying to run this vibes campaign where you just fill in the blank, like, oh, 1.00

00:20:35.500 there's some stuff in this election, and you fill it in.

00:20:39.660 Um, but she's she's trying to run on this, oh, I'm a positive, fresh face for the future.

00:20:46.540 But she's doing it with all these cliches. 0.58

00:20:48.420 I'm in the streets.

00:20:49.560 I'm doing the work.

00:20:51.180 Now compare that, you know, to Donald Trump.

00:20:54.360 And Donald Trump will go on stage.

00:20:57.060 And he'll, he's like, it's like the difference between a nervous person on a date, that's

00:21:05.060 Kamala Harris, and then, you know, a pro like Trump with the opposite sex, that, you know,

00:21:11.740 Kamala says, like, oh, I like you so much.

00:21:14.820 Oh, that's really interesting.

00:21:16.700 Trump comes to Detroit and says something like, you know, I could be on a, on one of my

00:21:22.180 beaches, I could be on one of my golf resorts.

00:21:25.720 But I'm here in Detroit, because I want to save the country or something like that.

00:21:28.960 And he's like, he's literally teasing them, like, I don't really want to be here.

00:21:32.940 Maybe Michigan, I kind of think it's kind of a dump in some ways.

00:21:37.840 And they love him for it, right?

00:21:39.520 It just shows so much more social intelligence and relatability than what Kamala is doing. 0.99

00:21:45.600 What Kamala is doing is just, it looks like she's trying to survive the moment. 0.95

00:21:51.880 Like she's constantly reaching for the life raft to pull her into the boat with each question.

00:21:59.040 It's so true. 0.84

00:22:00.580 You're uncomfortable watching it.

00:22:02.640 Right.

00:22:03.240 And that fundamentally doesn't, you don't look at that performance in an interview, a low

00:22:09.500 pressure interview with someone who's sympathetic to you.

00:22:13.140 And you don't look at that performance and say, oh, that's what I want in an executive,

00:22:16.620 which is what the president is.

00:22:19.520 You look at Trump, and he's just joking around with you.

00:22:22.660 He's teasing, kind of negging the audience.

00:22:25.840 You know, he'll say something like, you know, we're real conservative.

00:22:28.460 Maybe we're a little liberal too, and just laugh.

00:22:32.460 And he has that confidence.

00:22:34.680 So, yeah, I think that's fundamentally why she is sinking in the polls.

00:22:40.880 I mean, people don't want another, you know, blank card in the White House.

00:22:47.160 There's a way in which, you know, the tickets Democrats have put forward is sort of fake,

00:22:56.880 right?

00:22:57.340 It's sort of like Joe Biden was kind of Barack Obama's affirmative action candidate for vice

00:23:03.000 president.

00:23:03.400 Like, okay, I need to fill out a white guy on my ticket to reassure people.

00:23:09.020 And then Biden specifically casts Kamala Harris as a kind of affirmative action to hire.

00:23:16.440 Like, okay, I need a Black woman on my ticket. 1.00

00:23:18.800 And then she does the same thing to Tim Walls.

00:23:21.140 Like, I need another affirmative action. 0.90

00:23:22.620 So you get this feeling that they're just empty representations on the face of a progressive

00:23:29.040 blob that does its own thinking.

00:23:31.800 And that they're not really even in charge of themselves.

00:23:35.580 And if they're not in charge of themselves, why would you elect them to be in charge of

00:23:39.580 the country?

00:23:40.840 Yeah.

00:23:41.160 Who's in charge?

00:23:41.880 I mean, we think maybe Jake Sullivan.

00:23:43.680 But speaking of foreign policy, here's another thing.

00:23:47.540 She, not only can she not think, Charlie, I completely agree with that, but she knows

00:23:53.660 nothing.

00:23:54.480 She knows nothing.

00:23:55.740 She memorized, I think, note cards on various subjects to be able to handle that debate.

00:24:01.900 And if she wasn't primed for that debate on a subject, she's out.

00:24:08.740 She's got nothing.

00:24:09.740 We saw this in the 60 Minutes interview.

00:24:12.500 They, as everybody knows, they did not release the transcript.

00:24:16.120 So we don't know exactly what was taken out of the interview.

00:24:20.340 But they did put some portion of the outtakes on what's called 60 Minutes Extra, which is

00:24:25.660 the online property where they'll show you some overtime, I mean, which is like, they'll

00:24:30.320 show you their next favorite collection of exchanges that didn't quite make the cut.

00:24:35.540 And in that, they aired some more foreign policy questions, like they asked her about

00:24:42.740 China and Taiwan.

00:24:44.700 And she said, I'm not going to answer hypotheticals, as though this were a deposition.

00:24:49.420 And, you know, she had been trained to not give anything more to her cross-examiner than

00:24:54.560 was necessary, as opposed to a job interview with us where we're actually entitled to know

00:24:58.100 how she sees that issue, which is really important.

00:25:01.020 And then she gets to Iran, and she does it again. 0.89

00:25:04.500 Watch this.

00:25:04.980 This is from the 60 interview.

00:25:07.620 Which foreign country do you consider to be our greatest adversary?

00:25:12.520 I think there's an obvious one in mind, which is Iran. 0.81

00:25:16.980 Iran has American blood on their hands. 0.98

00:25:18.780 Okay, this attack on Israel, 200 ballistic missiles.

00:25:24.760 What we need to do to ensure that Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power, that 0.99

00:25:33.920 is one of my highest priorities.

00:25:35.240 So if you have proof that Iran is building a nuclear weapon, would you take military action?

00:25:40.800 I'm not going to talk about hypotheticals at this moment.

00:25:43.280 Okay, will you take military action?

00:25:47.260 I'm not going to talk hypotheticals.

00:25:49.360 Then, by the time we got to this past Friday, three days ago, she was on a call with Jewish

00:25:54.880 voters.

00:25:55.900 This issue came up again.

00:25:57.280 Clearly, she'd been primed.

00:25:59.320 Clearly, she doesn't have an aversion to answering hypotheticals.

00:26:02.600 She just didn't know when Bill Whitaker asked her what to say.

00:26:07.780 And then, at some point, her team got to her, and here's how she handled it on Friday.

00:26:11.540 Make no mistake, as president, I will never hesitate to take whatever action is necessary

00:26:19.260 to defend American forces and interests from Iran and Iran-backed terrorists.

00:26:25.380 And I will never allow Iran to acquire a nuclear weapon.

00:26:30.320 Diplomacy is my preferred path to that end, but all options are on the table.

00:26:37.580 You tell me, Charlie.

00:26:39.280 I think she was reading.

00:26:40.140 Yeah, she's an actress. 1.00

00:26:42.900 She's an actress. 1.00

00:26:43.980 It's creepy.

00:26:45.060 You could just as easily imagine her saying the opposite words.

00:26:48.700 And that is just not true of her opponent, who has many of his own flaws and doesn't

00:26:54.900 do the reading either.

00:26:56.320 You know, I have long defended, much to the groans of many conservatives, many of the career

00:27:02.920 politicians that we have present in our system and have had historically.

00:27:07.540 You know, it's easy to gripe about career politicians.

00:27:10.760 And when you mean people who believe in nothing and just go along with it for the pension, I

00:27:14.260 completely agree.

00:27:15.000 But there are some great career politicians.

00:27:16.760 Abraham Lincoln, Winston Churchill, Ronald Reagan.

00:27:19.780 These people were in office a long time.

00:27:22.180 They were interested in politics a long time.

00:27:24.040 And one of the reasons that it can be so useful to be a career politician, that dreaded thing,

00:27:30.120 is because over time, if you have a genuine interest in politics, then you build up a genuine

00:27:35.800 set of beliefs about the world.

00:27:38.260 Now, I always, when asked how I got into politics, will tell people I didn't know anything till 9-11.

00:27:43.880 That was the moment when I thought I should learn some things about the world.

00:27:46.480 I was completely blissfully ignorant.

00:27:48.180 I was 16 years old when that happened.

00:27:49.860 And I thought, I need to develop some theories about the world, because I had just lived in

00:27:54.760 this sort of 80s, 90s, end of history period.

00:27:57.040 And it was great.

00:27:58.240 And since then, and I'm not running for president, don't worry.

00:28:00.760 But since then, I have, just because I work in politics, and I'm interested in politics,

00:28:05.440 and you end up listening to people who are interested in and interesting about politics,

00:28:10.500 develop certain theories about the law, and about taxes, and about foreign policy,

00:28:15.700 and about the relationship between the federal government and the states, and so on and so forth.

00:28:20.520 This is something that happens naturally if you spend time in this arena.

00:28:23.980 Well, Harris has been in politics in one way or another now for more than 20 years.

00:28:28.920 And she genuinely does not seem to have any interest or information or education about

00:28:35.120 almost anything.

00:28:36.580 And those examples you gave were great, because what they show is she had been briefed, probably,

00:28:42.200 about Iran most recently, because it is currently in the news in relation to Israel.

00:28:47.520 So she had that on her tongue.

00:28:48.940 So she was asked, well, which is the worst country?

00:28:51.100 And she said, well, it's got to be Iran, because that was the last one she'd heard.

00:28:54.320 But she hadn't thought about the next bit, which is, well, would you do anything about

00:28:58.480 Iran if it tried to get a nuclear weapon?

00:29:01.120 So the next time that the topic comes up, she makes sure that she's been told that particular

00:29:05.040 piece of information she's developed or had written out for her, an answer on that.

00:29:10.240 But again, if you said to her a follow-up, and I don't know what that would be, because

00:29:14.100 I'm not an expert in this area.

00:29:15.900 But if you said a follow-up, well, how would you strike them?

00:29:19.140 In which region would you strike them?

00:29:20.640 What about their backup facility in make up the city here?

00:29:23.900 I don't think she'd have an answer, because I really do think that her interest and knowledge

00:29:28.400 in this is limited to, as Michael said, the exact moment.

00:29:32.320 The purpose at any given point for Harris is to get through the interview, or get through

00:29:36.580 the fundraiser, or get through the speech.

00:29:38.960 There's no long-term thinking.

00:29:40.960 She doesn't have aspirations.

00:29:42.560 She doesn't have goals. 1.00

00:29:43.800 She doesn't have a vision of the United States in 2030 or 2040.

00:29:48.780 And that really matters to me.

00:29:52.160 And I'll finish by saying this.

00:29:53.440 I am a huge critic of Trump's in many, many ways.

00:29:56.280 But the one thing that is weird about Trump is, although I disagree with a lot of the

00:29:59.920 views that he has held since the 1980s, he actually does have a vision of the United States.

00:30:05.620 He knows what he thinks the problem is.

00:30:08.300 He knows by whom he thinks we are getting screwed.

00:30:11.400 He knows which rules he thinks ought to change.

00:30:14.280 He knows which people he thinks have been left behind.

00:30:16.640 Now, I will argue against him on this until I'm blue in the face when I disagree with

00:30:20.580 him.

00:30:21.000 But he did enter politics with more than just the aspiration of getting elected.

00:30:25.700 And I wonder if he does win in November, whether that's going to ultimately be the difference.

00:30:32.520 She doesn't know the answer, MBD, unless it's been written out for her and she's reading

00:30:38.960 it in a prompter or like on that call in which she was not on cam, or it was on one of

00:30:45.780 those note cards.

00:30:46.760 And they do anticipate sometimes what the question will be.

00:30:50.680 I submit to you and have to my audience that when she sat down with Oprah, that she was

00:30:55.240 given the questions in advance because Oprah is not a journalist.

00:30:58.680 And if you're not a journalist, you're allowed to do this.

00:31:00.860 They've I've told the audience I've been on The View many times.

00:31:04.080 They give they give you the questions in advance.

00:31:06.160 You sit there in the green room like, why are you giving me the questions?

00:31:09.080 I'm fine.

00:31:09.660 I'm good.

00:31:10.160 But just ask me what you want to ask me.

00:31:12.360 These other talk shows have offered.

00:31:14.920 I'll give you the questions in advance.

00:31:16.980 We never did that when Fox or NBC or anything I've been associated with.

00:31:21.060 But the more lighter talk shows will do it.

00:31:23.560 And I guarantee you, in my opinion, Oprah gave her the questions.

00:31:27.300 So she was asked the one question about it might have even that one.

00:31:31.200 I can't remember who came from.

00:31:32.140 It might have been from Meryl, but it was about how we wanted to feel proud about America

00:31:37.400 again.

00:31:38.660 OK, and I want you to listen to what she said to Oprah, because it's going to come back

00:31:43.560 in a second.

00:31:44.240 I think it's SOT 9.

00:31:47.680 You know, Oprah is vice president. 1.00

00:31:49.640 I have I've met over 150 world leaders, presidents, prime ministers, chancellors and kings.

00:31:56.000 And the thing about representing the United States of the America is when we walk in those

00:32:01.120 rooms around the world, we have historically and traditionally been able to walk in those

00:32:05.580 rooms, chin up, shoulders back with the self-appointed and earned authority to talk about the importance

00:32:12.860 of democracies.

00:32:15.360 People around the world are watching right now because you see the thing about walking

00:32:21.400 into a room and being a role model is people watch what you do to see if it lines up with

00:32:27.420 what you say.

00:32:28.060 OK, here she is this weekend speaking in Scottsdale, Arizona.

00:32:39.480 So we are all here together because we love our country.

00:32:45.600 We love our country.

00:32:47.780 And I was talking with some folks recently about the importance of understanding the

00:32:54.940 the duality, frankly, that exists in terms of our democracy.

00:32:59.800 Oh, Lord.

00:33:00.500 As your vice president, I have now met over 150 world leaders, presidents, prime ministers,

00:33:06.380 chancellors and kings.

00:33:07.120 Chancellors and kings.

00:33:08.220 And when we representing the United States walk in those rooms, traditionally, we've been

00:33:13.900 able to walk in those rooms, chin up, shoulders back.

00:33:18.360 With the earned and self-appointed authority to talk about the importance of democracies.

00:33:26.180 Rule of law is unbelievable.

00:33:28.460 But I say to a room of role models, here's the thing about being a role model.

00:33:33.300 When you're a role model, folks, watch what you do to see if it matches up to what you say.

00:33:41.000 Or to see if it's what you say every single time because you have no independent thinking.

00:33:46.620 And BD.

00:33:48.700 It's also like this is the progressive net like memory of history, right?

00:33:54.600 So progressives are always talking about pride of their country in terms of the condition

00:33:58.980 of the country in the last week or the last election.

00:34:03.460 And then if it didn't go their way, they're kind of indifferent about it.

00:34:08.360 And then they write the 1619 project.

00:34:10.820 Wait, let me let me stand you by there for a second. 1.00

00:34:13.200 I know I know where you're going and I want to hear this.

00:34:15.060 But and I want to get to the substance of analysis because she's, of course, like we

00:34:18.560 can't be proud of America unless I'm president or somebody other than Trump.

00:34:21.960 But do you do you see the forensic diagnosis of what she's doing?

00:34:26.620 She only delivers canned lines. 1.00

00:34:30.680 She's an actress. 1.00

00:34:32.240 There is no substance to this person.

00:34:35.140 She's good at trying to make it sound like she just thought of it like that duality line.

00:34:40.340 She's used that a million times.

00:34:41.840 We've played that, too.

00:34:42.960 She's only got a few arsenals, a few quivers in her arsenal. 1.00

00:34:48.700 And that's all she can use.

00:34:51.120 If it's not in there, she resorts to I can't answer a hypothetical or something.

00:34:56.840 What we're seeing is alarming.

00:34:59.000 There's no there there.

00:35:00.220 This is not a person even of substance.

00:35:02.780 She can't do this job.

00:35:04.480 Right.

00:35:06.140 I mean, you see, she's she's fundamentally the most insecure person who has run for president

00:35:10.900 in our lifetimes.

00:35:12.940 I mean, and it's just it is right there on her face, deer in headlights.

00:35:18.200 She cannot think for herself.

00:35:20.400 You know, it is like I've seen, you know, in in in my experience as a journalist, I've seen

00:35:26.500 now how people prepare for debates or interviews and candidates do this and the really dumb

00:35:35.500 ones try to memorize their answers.

00:35:38.820 The really smart ones just get the most intelligent and difficult questions prepared for them by

00:35:45.500 their own staff.

00:35:46.800 And then they think through them and use their own brain and just prepare their own thoughts.

00:35:52.560 And they're they're ready in the moment for however that question is asked to engage with

00:35:58.580 their brain, with their heart as a human, hopefully as well.

00:36:02.600 And what you see there is someone who who she wants to engage on that like heart to heart

00:36:09.920 level, but she can't get past the the brain malfunction, which is you've asked me a question.

00:36:16.160 And now I've got to search for my prepared speech lines for it, which aren't that long

00:36:23.120 and don't have much substance and aren't going to satisfy you.

00:36:26.300 And then she kind of senses that the crowd isn't satisfied and tenses up even more.

00:36:31.640 So, yeah, like on the stagecraft, this is, you know, this is pretty hideous performance.

00:36:37.980 Um, and, and on the substance again, like it's just not true.

00:36:43.500 Progressives never felt this way when Reagan was elected, they would point to the European

00:36:48.560 press saying, Oh, the Americans have elected a cowboy fascist.

00:36:52.280 Who's going to start world war three with Russia. 0.96

00:36:55.120 When, you know, when, uh, Barack Obama went on his European tour before the 2008 election,

00:37:03.400 you know, he was saying basically like, Oh, I have to restore America's tarnished image

00:37:08.120 from George W. Bush.

00:37:09.280 So basically like whenever a Republican is elected, the Democrats say that, you know, our

00:37:15.100 reputation around the whole world has been ruined.

00:37:18.200 Um, you know, and they just point to the progressive press overseas in a handful of countries to do

00:37:24.100 this.

00:37:24.820 It's, it, it is ridiculous.

00:37:26.820 And the idea that she alone and Trump alone stand for this stark divide is nonsense.

00:37:33.040 This is just, this is history repeating itself over and over again.

00:37:36.520 It is, in fact, it's another, just another brain dead cliche.

00:37:41.360 Not for nothing, but here's a little bit more on her love of this duality nonsense.

00:37:48.720 The nature of democracy is, is it's, there, there are two sides to it in terms of the nature

00:37:55.220 of it.

00:37:55.600 There's a duality.

00:37:56.600 You know, I think that there's a duality to the nature of democracy.

00:38:00.080 When it's intact.

00:38:03.920 Oh, it's so strong.

00:38:06.560 The nature of democracy, there's a duality to it.

00:38:08.640 It has two sides to it.

00:38:09.940 We know there's a duality to the nature of democracy.

00:38:15.040 On the one hand, incredible strength.

00:38:18.360 When it is intact, when it is intact, what it does for its people to protect and defend

00:38:26.480 their rights, their liberty and their freedom, incredibly strong and incredibly fragile.

00:38:35.160 I'll miss her when she's gone.

00:38:42.640 I'll miss her a little, I guess.

00:38:43.780 I don't know.

00:38:44.240 She's entertaining.

00:38:45.580 Meantime, let's take a look at her VP.

00:38:47.620 All right.

00:38:47.900 Because he was out there this weekend and they're comparing this to, I mean, Charlie was in his

00:38:54.860 crib, but I was 17 and a freshman at Syracuse University when Michael Dukakis ran in 1988

00:39:04.300 and this happened when he got in the tank.

00:39:09.920 And he thought, people thought he might actually get the ball in the end zone until he got into

00:39:16.660 a little tank and rode around in the tank when he was running against George H.W.

00:39:22.080 Bush.

00:39:22.740 Well, we'll just start with that before I show you what Walsh did.

00:39:25.640 Here was Michael Dukakis back in the day, in the moment that really kind of ended his career.

00:39:34.640 Hear the laughter?

00:39:36.300 It's like reporters.

00:39:41.220 He has a helmet on.

00:39:42.720 He's tough shit now.

00:39:44.780 Be careful, Sam.

00:39:46.640 All right, come on, put him up.

00:39:48.720 And here he comes.

00:39:49.760 Is General Patton?

00:39:51.000 General Abrams?

00:39:52.340 No.

00:39:53.020 Governor Dukakis.

00:39:54.460 Riding to glory in every little kid's Rambo dream. 1.00

00:40:01.120 Sam Donaldson.

00:40:03.560 Well, they're comparing this moment by Tim Walz to that because he looked so inept and like

00:40:12.180 a faker.

00:40:12.660 Like, he didn't belong there and he was trying to convince us of something that wasn't real

00:40:17.120 as he decided to go pheasant hunting.

00:40:20.760 And Charlie, you're a gun guy.

00:40:23.140 You tell me whether this looked authentic to you.

00:40:25.580 Here he is.

00:40:28.680 Yeah.

00:40:29.080 That's my theory.

00:40:29.920 And it never fits quite right.

00:40:31.280 Never fits quite right.

00:40:32.860 It's not quite right.

00:40:33.800 How do you give it back?

00:40:36.140 Governor, what kind of gun is it?

00:40:37.520 This is a Beretta A400.

00:40:39.020 Here is some video of gun enthusiasts showing how you're supposed to handle the gun that

00:40:48.280 we found online.

00:40:51.100 Here we go.

00:40:51.940 There's some very attractive gal in a little small tank top who seems much more adept with 1.00

00:40:58.520 her rifle than Tim Walz did.

00:41:00.960 And the problem here, Charlie, is that if you're going to do anything that you don't

00:41:06.200 do often when you're running for president or vice president, you need to nail it.

00:41:12.720 You're not going to fool anybody.

00:41:14.340 And even to the untrained gun person like yours truly, it was very clear he was not adept with

00:41:20.060 the gun like our two friends in that video I just showed you.

00:41:23.500 Yeah.

00:41:23.680 Well, I think there's two problems for this.

00:41:25.180 The first problem, and this is specific to Walz, is that Walz is a fraud.

00:41:30.460 He just has lied about so many of the aspects of his character and history now that there's

00:41:37.900 no reason for anyone to believe that he is who he says that he is.

00:41:42.320 I've never thought that the image that the Harris campaign wanted him to project was going

00:41:49.360 to be successfully projected because he clearly is not what he pretends to be.

00:41:54.580 But the second thing, and perhaps the more important thing, is that the Harris campaign

00:41:59.580 seems to have a misunderstanding of why it and the Democratic Party writ large has a problem

00:42:09.020 with men.

00:42:11.160 And it's not that there aren't enough videos on the internet of Tim Walz loading a shotgun.

00:42:17.360 It's because of their policies and a long history of political tendency that has been designed

00:42:28.700 to attract women to the party and that has done so successfully.

00:42:33.000 If you go back to Barack Obama's run in 2012, toward the end, he leaned in very heavily to a

00:42:40.280 whole number of themes that helped him win that election and beat Mitt Romney.

00:42:44.360 But they've gone so far down that road now that they've begun to repel men of all races.

00:42:50.840 And they seem to think that the way that they can fix that is to have Tim Walz go hunting or to

00:42:56.480 have Tim Walz show up on this or that TV show or to let it be known that Tim Walz likes football.

00:43:01.020 But that's just not the problem.

00:43:04.660 And you know what it reminds me of is a conception that I've seen on the right to some extent,

00:43:10.980 but certainly within the political commentariat that mistakes policy positions and sincerity

00:43:20.980 for the sort of advertising guff that we saw in that clip and thus cannot understand why it is,

00:43:31.620 for example, that Donald Trump, who wears a suit everywhere and is worth a lot of money,

00:43:37.100 is unusually attractive to working class voters for a Republican or why Donald Trump is doing much

00:43:44.240 better with Hispanics than most Republicans have, even though he said some pretty bad things

00:43:49.180 about Hispanics and about immigrants.

00:43:52.600 And I think that this is a great example of it, right?

00:43:55.660 Is that ultimately, yes, of course, presentation matters.

00:43:58.860 And Trump has put off a lot of winnable voters with really unnecessary behavior.

00:44:03.520 That may cost him this election, too.

00:44:05.900 But ultimately, people are going to look at your policies.

00:44:10.300 Some of the Trump policies that have attracted different people, I don't like.

00:44:13.960 I'm much more of a free marketeer, classical liberal.

00:44:16.140 But the voters who have been attracted by them are much more interested in what he's actually

00:44:20.660 proposing to do than they are by whatever superficial nonsense is being pushed out by

00:44:27.360 the super PACs.

00:44:28.280 And it's just true of Harris as well.

00:44:29.820 You're not going to win those people back from Trump by putting on an orange jacket and

00:44:34.560 pretending to go pheasant hunting.

00:44:36.520 It's just not going to happen.

00:44:37.960 But they can't see past it.

00:44:39.820 And the last thing I'll say on this is, I think that when you get into the mindset that

00:44:44.540 the Democratic Party in particular has, it's very hard to be able to see that.

00:44:49.280 Because the Democrats in the contemporary era, this was not true in the 90s under Bill Clinton.

00:44:53.620 He was a master at this.

00:44:55.040 But now, the Democrats are so obsessed with identity politics, and these supposedly immutable

00:45:01.280 characteristics that define everything we see in the world, that they really do think,

00:45:05.020 well, you're in this group, therefore, you're in that group, therefore, if we appeal to

00:45:10.220 you with our affinity pushes, then you will come to us.

00:45:13.660 And that person who says this thing will put you off.

00:45:16.900 But politics doesn't work like that.

00:45:18.640 Life doesn't work like that.

00:45:19.920 People are just not that shallow.

00:45:21.580 They're much actually less interested in sort of identity politics and what group they're

00:45:26.800 supposed to belong to than they are in their own well-being.

00:45:29.840 And that clip was just a perfect example of the limits of that kind of politicking.

00:45:35.020 It's so true. 0.84

00:45:36.560 And maybe as he tried to load the gun, he tried several times.

00:45:39.880 It wasn't working.

00:45:40.540 And he said, it never fits quite right.

00:45:43.160 As he tried to load the shells into the shotguns magazine over and over, they hunted, in quotes,

00:45:50.300 for three hours.

00:45:52.040 One pheasant was allegedly shot, not by walls.

00:45:56.120 The carcass was not recovered.

00:45:58.420 Hmm.

00:45:59.340 Hmm.

00:45:59.940 I've got questions.

00:46:01.260 I'm not sure.

00:46:02.240 This guy, you know, he's not fooling anybody.

00:46:05.860 And Bill Maher was making a great point on Friday that they've sent him out now to be

00:46:10.720 there, not only their man ambassador into the man-osphere, as they're calling it, as if

00:46:16.500 Tim Walls is going to be anybody's idea of what a real man looks like.

00:46:20.160 Okay.

00:46:20.340 I guess they couldn't use Doug Emhoff anymore, given, you know, his allegations of being

00:46:25.740 a woman beater.

00:46:26.840 In any event, not only his male outreach, but also his black male outreach.

00:46:31.760 They're counting on Tim Walls, apparently, to bring in black men, in response to which 0.72

00:46:37.120 Bill Maher said the following.

00:46:39.940 Tim Walls is headlining a voter engagement event tonight with black men.

00:46:45.520 And who better to connect with young black men than Tim Walls?

00:46:54.440 Because apparently Michael Buble was unavailable.

00:46:57.680 But the problem is real, MBD, this New York Times poll that just hit on Saturday shows

00:47:10.280 that in 2016, the Dems had an 85-point margin over the Republicans on black voters.

00:47:16.940 2020, they had an 81% margin over the Republicans.

00:47:21.960 In 2024, it's been reduced to 63, 63-point margin over the Republicans.

00:47:30.000 That's because Trump has made serious inroads with young black men in particular.

00:47:35.060 I mean, young black men are like, in a lot of ways, like young white men and young Hispanic

00:47:41.140 men who are all more attracted to Trump than the opposition in some ways.

00:47:46.500 You know, and also, there's an institutional decay happening in the Democratic Party where

00:47:53.640 they've, you know, the pillars of the Democratic Party, you know, of the past, like unions,

00:48:02.060 you know, their leaders feel disaffected.

00:48:03.760 You saw the leader of the Teamsters kind of complaining openly about how he has to rebel

00:48:08.640 and show some teeth now.

00:48:10.320 You know, it's the same thing with black voters whose, you know, representatives in the party

00:48:15.360 previously, like whatever you think of them, Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton or others,

00:48:21.580 have been marginalized in favor of this hyper-educated, female-coded, you know, cosseted,

00:48:30.260 let's talk about safe spaces and abortion to the exclusion of every other issue, including

00:48:35.960 the economy.

00:48:37.620 And so they're losing men.

00:48:40.880 And Trump has always appealed to men as an aspirational figure or to a lot of men.

00:48:47.520 I mean, he's probably the most named white man in rap lyrics.

00:48:51.440 And, you know, he has a real personality and he's really funny and really connects with people

00:48:58.020 at a basic level without pandering to them in an inauthentic way that speaks to people.

00:49:06.820 And it's particularly on this campaign, I mean, what Walls made in that video looked like

00:49:14.280 it was a negligent discharge video.

00:49:16.460 Like it looked like it was going to end with his head coming off and like a lesson for YouTubers 0.51

00:49:21.380 like about gun safety.

00:49:23.600 Like a July 4th warning.

00:49:24.400 The fact that Democrats didn't even know it looked like that is a problem and tells you

00:49:30.920 something about the problem they have connecting to these voters that they don't understand

00:49:34.620 anymore, including that stupid men for Kamala video that they made, which was also an embarrassment.

00:49:41.560 Yes.

00:49:42.840 This one quickly.

00:49:44.000 Play 33 before we go to break.

00:49:46.380 Listen, I know you've knocked and knocked and I know you've called and called.

00:49:49.620 I know you've given and given and you're worn out, but the truth is you are, you are the

00:49:55.460 front lines.

00:49:56.340 This is it.

00:49:57.060 I mean, I'm looking at these beautiful faces, these women and at these strong men.

00:50:01.080 God, is there anything sexier than a man who is like men for Kamala?

00:50:07.780 Many, many things, Jennifer Garner.

00:50:10.140 Many.

00:50:11.160 Charlie and MBD, stay with me.

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00:51:22.920 Guess who Kamala Harris is going to sit down with and on whose show this will air on Wednesday? 1.00

00:51:29.940 Brett Baer.

00:51:32.980 I'm so excited for that.

00:51:34.840 I think that is great news.

00:51:36.820 I'm really looking forward to that.

00:51:39.700 I love her newfound confidence.

00:51:42.000 You go, girl.

00:51:43.060 You can do it.

00:51:44.120 You do this.

00:51:46.080 I'm thrilled.

00:51:47.640 We saw Governor Walz on with Shannon Bream two Sundays ago.

00:51:51.820 Then he called her and asked if he could come back on yesterday, which he did.

00:51:57.320 Not much news was made, but they're trying to get in front of the Fox audience, which

00:52:01.680 does have a fair amount of independents watching it.

00:52:04.060 And now she goes on Fox. 0.56

00:52:07.180 I'm sure Brett had a standing request into her.

00:52:09.840 And Brett will do a good job.

00:52:11.340 And he will press her.

00:52:12.820 He won't let her just get away with a bunch of talking points.

00:52:15.500 It will definitely be her toughest interview so far.

00:52:18.140 And what this tells you what about the state of the Kamala Harris campaign at this point,

00:52:24.060 Charlie?

00:52:24.780 Well, either she's so confident that she's about to win, that she's decided that she wants

00:52:31.180 to run up the score.

00:52:32.360 More likely, she too believes that there's been a shift in vibes.

00:52:37.920 I've been a little skeptical of this because it's not showing up in the polling.

00:52:42.580 The election does still seem to be tied, but there is clearly something, whatever it is,

00:52:51.720 that has spooked both the Harris campaign and their surrogates in the media, because both

00:52:56.580 of them have started to behave as if Trump is going to win.

00:53:01.640 There was a New York Times piece by Ezra Klein yesterday.

00:53:06.420 I said, ignore the polls, and I started to see some of the left of center accounts that

00:53:14.080 I follow, either pre-bargaining, I suppose, with a Trump administration, or shouting at

00:53:24.580 Harris.

00:53:26.040 And Jonathan Martin at Politico has written a piece explaining to her how she can win what 0.87

00:53:31.180 she needs to do, that he's been relentlessly tweeting at her as if he's convinced that

00:53:36.840 if she just reads it and adopts his advice, then she'll prevail.

00:53:41.320 So I'm assuming that there is something, whether it's internal polling or a trend line or something

00:53:46.280 that people smarter at sophology than I am have seen, that has spooked them, and she's

00:53:52.740 determined to go on.

00:53:53.560 Of course, the risk, as we were discussing earlier, is that when she goes out into public

00:53:58.740 to speak, she seems to get less popular, not more.

00:54:01.640 So we'll see whether this gamble pays off.

00:54:04.960 MBD, there was just a, I can't find it in my notes, but there was just a plaintiff post

00:54:10.620 by the guy who runs Time Magazine that she has declined their repeated requests to interview

00:54:18.680 her, even though they have her on the cover.

00:54:22.480 She won't sit with them.

00:54:24.400 I mean, she's already, you know, it's one of those, like, why buy the cow when you can

00:54:27.880 get the milk for free.

00:54:29.540 She doesn't need to woo them, right? 1.00

00:54:31.700 But she clearly sees what's happening with the independents, which is she's in free fall.

00:54:37.180 That's what these latest polls are showing.

00:54:39.040 And she, I don't think she thinks she's really going to get Republicans.

00:54:41.880 If you're a Republican watching Fox News, the odds that you haven't made up your mind about

00:54:46.740 who you're voting for in this election are extremely slim.

00:54:50.420 But maybe she's trying to get in front of those independents. 1.00

00:54:52.740 This is obviously a huge risk, huge risk for her campaign.

00:54:59.400 Yeah.

00:55:00.060 I mean, I think she really believes that there is a type of voter, you know, that she can

00:55:07.100 appeal to on Fox.

00:55:08.320 And, you know, she's kind of, the campaign has gotten in the habit of describing them as

00:55:13.000 like, oh, we have this broad coalition from Bernie Sanders to Liz Cheney.

00:55:17.200 And they're putting out ads with Liz Cheney in them in battleground states.

00:55:24.360 And I think they really believe that there is this kind of security mom, traditionally

00:55:30.100 Republican voter who cares a lot about Ukraine and the issue of democracy and will vote for

00:55:38.260 Kamala Harris.

00:55:39.100 I'm not sure that that voter is a swing voter and is out there in sufficient numbers, in

00:55:46.020 undecided numbers that are going to bring the election to her in Pennsylvania.

00:55:52.060 I think she's much more vulnerable to losing like older white men who could identify with

00:55:59.980 Joe Biden's Democratic Party, but have little to nothing in common with Kamala Harris's Democratic

00:56:07.520 Party.

00:56:07.920 I mean, those, the Scranton Joe thing is kind of real phenomenon and, you know, she could

00:56:14.140 be wiped out in, in areas like that.

00:56:16.900 And then the blue wall crumbles.

00:56:19.340 If you want older white men, Fox News is the place to go. 0.97

00:56:23.280 It is a good place to go, but again, she has to stanch her losses there and then make

00:56:28.920 it up with these, these other supposed Liz Cheney Republicans.

00:56:34.000 I don't, I don't know that they're out there.

00:56:36.440 And again, I think her, her campaign in a way is like narrowing its appeal as if it's

00:56:43.300 like, okay, it's abortion. 1.00

00:56:45.560 It's the democracy issue basically.

00:56:48.880 And you hate Trump.

00:56:50.060 Whereas Trump is again, I think trying to broaden the tent and he's trying to go after suburbanites

00:56:57.580 that maybe he, he feels he alienated a little bit with his first term, but he's also, you

00:57:03.580 know, careful to send JD Vance out to look for that populist vote in the blue wall.

00:57:08.900 He's careful to send out RFK to talk to people who were horrified by Anthony Fauci during COVID

00:57:16.460 and for, for whom that's still an issue.

00:57:19.480 And I think, again, I think it's working and I think it's why there's this, you know, air

00:57:25.580 of panic around the Harris campaign that they don't know what to do anymore.

00:57:30.580 Um, I think they thought that they could be wrong, but I predict it will not go well for

00:57:37.260 her.

00:57:37.640 It's not going to go well, Brett.

00:57:40.040 This, this is not like a debate where you just have to launch the tough question and

00:57:44.300 then sit there because the general decorum at a debate is contrary to what we've been

00:57:48.960 seeing that it's for the candidates to get on each other, not for the moderator to be

00:57:53.600 the fact checker in chief.

00:57:54.740 And so, but this isn't like that.

00:57:56.920 This is an interview where you can, you can do, and Brett will do what an interviewer's

00:58:01.980 obligation is, which is when they're not answering to say, but the question was, but I asked you

00:58:07.180 about, well, how does that, right?

00:58:09.200 He's going to do all the things I think that we've been frustrated and not watching Dana

00:58:14.420 Bash do or Stephanie rule do or any of these other podcasts, et cetera, hosts do.

00:58:20.300 And by the way, if she's in the mood for, you know, another interview and she loves

00:58:23.820 Sirius XM and she likes podcasts and now she likes Fox, I'm right here.

00:58:28.400 Here I am.

00:58:29.560 Come on over.

00:58:30.860 It'll be fine.

00:58:31.840 I'll be very fair, but it will be tough.

00:58:35.000 It will be tough, but fair.

00:58:35.980 And she should do it.

00:58:36.600 You know why?

00:58:37.040 Because I have a huge audience and I have a lot of people she wants.

00:58:39.880 I actually do.

00:58:40.740 I don't have a far right audience.

00:58:42.820 I have a lot of middle of the road people listening, some people who are more established,

00:58:48.220 right?

00:58:49.020 But this is no better place to find persuadables and people who are open-minded and in the middle.

00:58:54.000 A lot love Trump, a lot don't.

00:58:55.920 I hear from them all.

00:58:57.280 In any event, let's see.

00:58:58.760 Maybe she'll call me.

00:58:59.960 I want to talk about, you mentioned old white men and I mentioned old white men and that

00:59:03.840 brings me to Joe Biden, who, did you guys see the extraordinary exchange that happened

00:59:10.380 with him just on Friday?

00:59:13.340 It was in the Roosevelt room of the White House.

00:59:15.720 They were there, the cabinet, or at least cabinet members, discussing their response

00:59:21.620 to the hurricane.

00:59:23.060 Now, Kamala Harris was not in the room.

00:59:25.380 She appeared via video conference, like on a screen.

00:59:29.640 But Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm was next to Joe Biden.

00:59:33.920 You'll see her in this clip.

00:59:34.980 And gentlemen, I submit to you, the president has about had it with Vice President Kamala

00:59:43.140 Harris and everyone around her pretending she has already won and ascended to his job.

00:59:49.580 Watch this.

00:59:50.500 We're going to have to, I know, I'm going to go to the Vice President in a second.

00:59:56.720 She's my boss. 0.89

00:59:59.140 That's the reason.

01:00:02.620 We're going to be, hang on a second, my wife.

01:00:06.500 Sure.

01:00:06.840 And we're going to, we're going to be going to the Congress.

01:00:10.540 We're going to need a lot of help.

01:00:11.980 We're going to need a lot more money as we identify specifically how much is needed.

01:00:18.580 So I'm just telling everybody now, I want to hear them.

01:00:21.680 This is going to be the end.

01:00:22.820 So, and so with that, I'll be, I'll yield to the president.

01:00:28.340 I mean, the Vice President.

01:00:33.480 He's annoyed at the beginning.

01:00:35.580 You saw that there, Charlie.

01:00:37.620 He was like, I know, you know, I'll get to the vice president.

01:00:41.660 And then she jumped in too soon and he chastised her to be quiet.

01:00:45.440 Then he made that quote joke, which we all know there's a, there was a charge behind that.

01:00:50.600 He didn't find that funny that she's actually the president.

01:00:53.260 And then when Kamala Harris started speaking, he was not wrapped with attention.

01:01:00.060 Do we have that video?

01:01:02.000 Um, yeah.

01:01:03.820 Okay.

01:01:04.060 Watch this.

01:01:04.600 She's speaking.

01:01:06.960 He's not even listening to her.

01:01:08.980 He's looking at his notes.

01:01:10.860 Everybody else is doing her the courtesy of looking her way.

01:01:13.980 Look at him.

01:01:15.960 Nope.

01:01:16.440 Isn't there.

01:01:18.440 Isn't there.

01:01:18.460 Don't care.

01:01:20.820 This is obvious.

01:01:21.860 It's been happening now in the public eye for a few days now, Charlie, that he's been stepping

01:01:27.340 on her.

01:01:28.000 He's annoyed with her and he's not afraid to tell us that he's still the top dog and she

01:01:34.780 has not earned this position.

01:01:36.040 Yeah.

01:01:37.300 So I don't say what I'm about to say out of any sympathy for Joe Biden, whom I don't like

01:01:43.600 at all, but out of respect for article two of the constitution, which establishes and confines

01:01:50.400 the presidency.

01:01:51.820 If you look at the coverage of Joe Biden over the last six years, it has been in the press

01:01:58.720 entirely instrumental.

01:01:59.820 By which I mean that Joe Biden has been treated as if he is an agency-less figurehead whose

01:02:09.220 utility is entirely contingent upon whether or not he's useful to advancing the Democratic

01:02:14.180 Party and its interests.

01:02:16.160 So in 2019, he was a racist old crazy man.

01:02:19.780 That's how he was portrayed on Saturday Night Live.

01:02:21.760 My inbox at National Review was filled with endless amounts of opposition research from

01:02:28.320 the left that made out Joe Biden to be this hindrance and a dinosaur who was standing in

01:02:34.320 the way of a better candidate.

01:02:35.460 But then Bernie looked like he was going to win.

01:02:37.540 And so Joe Biden became necessary again.

01:02:39.560 In went James Clyburn to South Carolina.

01:02:42.120 Biden is saved.

01:02:43.460 And then this Biden that never existed was invented, this great respect for moderate Joe Biden,

01:02:49.300 who was the man we all needed.

01:02:51.080 And he was president for a while until it became clear that he was going to lose the election.

01:02:55.640 And then those who had been propping him up and pretending he wasn't senile decided to

01:02:59.620 change the story.

01:03:00.780 And they knifed him in the back and in the front.

01:03:03.020 And they got rid of him.

01:03:04.240 And the second they got rid of him, they lost interest completely in him and the presidency

01:03:08.280 and his senility and all of the problems that they just outed.

01:03:11.020 And they moved on to Harris, who they're now trying to play the same trick on.

01:03:15.480 Now, the reason that matters is that while that might be quite a useful way of treating

01:03:20.520 Joe Biden, if you're a Democrat, or if you're in the press, and you have a particular agenda,

01:03:26.380 it's not great if you're Joe Biden.

01:03:29.500 Joe Biden was actually the man who was elected as president of the United States, not with

01:03:34.060 my vote, I hasten to add, but he was elected fairly and squarely, and he took the office.

01:03:39.320 And it must be extremely annoying, both on a personal level, if you're Joe Biden, the guy

01:03:45.300 who actually won the White House and has been president for nearly four years, or, and if

01:03:51.100 you believe in our constitutional system, as I do, and you think that the person who is

01:03:55.680 elected ought to be the person who is in charge.

01:03:58.080 And the clip that you just showed is one of many that demonstrate that actually, there

01:04:03.640 are far too many people in our system, in our politics, probably in Joe Biden's cabinet,

01:04:08.740 who don't think that.

01:04:09.720 They don't think that Joe Biden is a person.

01:04:11.340 They don't think that Joe Biden won the election.

01:04:13.300 They don't think that Joe Biden is the representative of the powers that he won and exercises constitutionally.

01:04:19.320 They think that he is a puppet.

01:04:20.980 He's a marionette.

01:04:21.860 He is theirs to play with as they see fit.

01:04:24.200 And of course, he's getting angry with it, because now what they need from Joe Biden is

01:04:29.360 for him to help Harris.

01:04:30.540 There was a piece this morning in Politico saying that Harris is angry that Biden doesn't

01:04:34.400 seem to understand that his role at the moment is to help her get elected rather than be president.

01:04:40.560 And the older he gets, and the more irritated that he becomes, and the closer to his retirement

01:04:45.100 that we get, I think you're going to see more of these outbursts, and not fewer, because

01:04:50.000 he is, after all, only human.

01:04:51.760 This is a real problem, MBD, because they do need his support.

01:04:57.520 And what I think he's been showing over the past five, six, seven days is they don't have

01:05:02.740 it.

01:05:03.540 He, I mean, to come out while she's speaking in Michigan a week ago and speak at the same

01:05:08.960 time from the White House press briefing room to say, she's been a part of all the major

01:05:13.960 decisions, all of my policies, she owns them.

01:05:16.720 And then to do it again the following week and to double down on that messaging and then

01:05:22.060 to snap at her and Granholm and trying to turn the stage over to her.

01:05:26.780 There is reporting, including in Axios, saying that the relations are increasingly fraught for

01:05:33.380 the reasons Charlie just stated, that Biden's team wants Harris to win.

01:05:37.460 But many of his top aides are wounded by what happened to Biden, including with her pushing

01:05:43.460 him out.

01:05:44.360 They're still adjusting to this switcheroo in the White House.

01:05:48.300 And her team is saying these top White House aides are not sufficiently coordinating on Biden's

01:05:53.460 messaging and schedule to align with what's best for her and her electoral chances.

01:05:57.680 The New York Post has a Dem strategist today saying he's basically sabotaging her because

01:06:03.400 he's been lukewarm on her running for the White House since the beginning, that he actually

01:06:08.960 could hurt her.

01:06:11.920 Oh, yeah, he is hurting her.

01:06:13.640 I mean, it hurt Hubert Humphrey in 1968 when when LBJ was still in office and he had to account

01:06:20.420 for everything LBJ did or said and then run his own campaign.

01:06:24.540 This is not a smooth transition in American politics.

01:06:30.020 And frankly, I mean, Joe Biden is like a tragic Shakespearean figure.

01:06:35.120 I mean, if you were staging this for the stage, Joe Biden would be walking around with a knife

01:06:42.240 plunged into his face, labeled Barack Obama, and would be bleeding from it profusely throughout

01:06:48.540 this third act of his political life until the end.

01:06:53.380 And it must hurt.

01:06:56.980 And the reason there's this back, you know, this complaining is precisely because of the

01:07:03.260 switcheroo.

01:07:05.100 Kamala Harris did not win the Democratic nomination.

01:07:08.820 And that's how you establish control over the factions of your party.

01:07:13.580 And that's how you make yourself party boss and say, this is who my staff is going to

01:07:19.700 be.

01:07:20.140 And they're all answerable to me.

01:07:23.040 Instead, you know, basically Barack Obama coordinated the press campaign to undermine

01:07:30.640 Joe after the debate.

01:07:32.320 And then he placed a bunch of his people to manage Kamala.

01:07:37.380 They're fighting with Kamala's people.

01:07:39.320 Kamala's people are fighting with the remaining Bidenistas at the White House.

01:07:43.980 This is not a unified Democratic Party.

01:07:47.340 And it's not an organized one.

01:07:50.800 And I am waiting for, you know, the post-election truth to be told.

01:07:56.960 Yes.

01:07:57.560 You know that reporters are sitting on all of this right now.

01:08:00.900 You know, there's all this good gossip going on right now.

01:08:03.560 That you and I aren't privy to because of, you know, where our leanings are.

01:08:07.960 But you know that liberal reporters are gathering material for a great book about this being

01:08:14.140 either a disaster or somehow a disaster turning into a triumph.

01:08:18.980 Yes.

01:08:19.520 So, yeah, I'm desperate for it.

01:08:21.240 And how bad it is behind the scenes.

01:08:22.140 And the reaction of her team to all of her interviews, the face plants that Tim Walz in

01:08:28.260 that debate with J.D. Vance, you know, I'm a nickelheader sometimes.

01:08:31.260 You know, I mean, I can't wait to read it all, but we're only going to get to read it

01:08:35.000 if they lose because, you know, what do they say?

01:08:37.540 Like history is drafted by the winners.

01:08:39.360 So if they win, we're not going to get any of that deliciousness.

01:08:42.200 Charlie, I've got to end it with what happened between J.D. Vance and Martha Raddatz

01:08:47.320 on TV this weekend.

01:08:50.060 So she's with ABC News.

01:08:52.200 He goes on and they get into what's happening in Aurora, Colorado.

01:08:57.940 And all of these Venezuelans who have been brought there by our government in cooperation

01:09:04.740 with the city of Denver, outside of which Aurora is, and some influx of thousands, I read an

01:09:13.160 estimated 8,000 Venezuelan immigrants into this small town.

01:09:18.580 And they've taken over some three apartment complexes, and there are serious criminal problems.

01:09:26.780 I mean, serious criminal problems.

01:09:27.700 We covered this before after Chris Ruffo wrote a great piece in City Journal about this about

01:09:34.560 a month ago, along with Christina Buttons.

01:09:36.940 It's called Chaos in Aurora.

01:09:38.680 It's dated September 10th, for those of you who want to Google it.

01:09:40.780 And it talks about, they write in this piece about the amount of crime that's gone up.

01:09:49.500 As a result, they got their hands on a confidential legal report based on witness reports that these

01:09:54.440 apartments saw a string of crimes, including trespassing, assault, extortion, drug use,

01:10:00.000 illegal firearm possession, human trafficking, and the sexual abuse of minors.

01:10:05.400 Um, and then there's been a localized spike in crime around the apartment complexes.

01:10:11.540 So this has been in the news because Trump has raised it.

01:10:14.060 It's sort of another like Springfield, or you mentioned what's happening in Pennsylvania

01:10:17.100 earlier, MBD.

01:10:18.220 And now here we are in Aurora, Colorado.

01:10:20.360 These are real life people being affected by these immigration policies, uh, that Biden

01:10:25.440 Harris have.

01:10:26.140 And this is what happened because the mayor of Aurora, who doesn't, who's a Republican,

01:10:32.700 who doesn't like Trump, he, what he lost his bid for Congress.

01:10:37.320 Trump didn't like him.

01:10:38.480 They were feuding, uh, got out there and was like, it's, it's a problem.

01:10:43.680 Um, but it's, it's limited.

01:10:45.920 And she brought that up in an interview with JD Vance.

01:10:50.360 Look what happened.

01:10:50.860 So do you support Donald Trump making those claims that the Republican mayor says were

01:10:57.240 grossly exaggerated?

01:10:59.700 President Trump was actually in Aurora, Colorado, talking to people on the ground.

01:11:04.000 And what we're hearing, of course, Martha, is that people are terrified by what has happened

01:11:08.580 with some of these Venezuelan gangs.

01:11:10.320 Senator Vance, I'm going to stop you because I know exactly what happened.

01:11:13.600 I'm going to stop you.

01:11:14.560 The incidents were limited to a handful of apartment conflicts, apartment complexes.

01:11:21.780 And the mayor said our dedicated police officers have acted on those concerns.

01:11:26.380 A handful of problems.

01:11:29.380 Only, Martha, do you hear yourself?

01:11:32.000 Only a handful of apartment complexes in America were taken over by Venezuelan gangs.

01:11:37.020 And Donald Trump is the problem and not Kamala Harris's open border.

01:11:41.020 Americans are so fed up with what's going on.

01:11:43.660 And they have every right to be.

01:11:45.420 And I really find this exchange, Martha, sort of interesting because you seem to be more

01:11:50.740 focused with nitpicking everything that Donald Trump has said rather than acknowledging that

01:11:56.640 apartment complexes in the United States of America are being taken over by violent gangs.

01:12:02.260 OK, let's let's just let's just end that with they did not invade or take over the city,

01:12:06.920 as Donald Trump said.

01:12:08.220 I want to move on to just a few apartment complexes.

01:12:10.880 No big deal.

01:12:11.500 A few apartment complexes that the mayor did not seem was invading the entire city.

01:12:17.980 She doesn't care about any of the crimes I just listed.

01:12:22.140 And you know why she doesn't care, Charlie?

01:12:23.740 You do know why.

01:12:24.540 It's because Martha Raddatz for at least the past seven years has lived in a house she paid 0.99

01:12:31.380 two point one, two five million dollars for.

01:12:34.020 It's a vintage home on a coveted block in Arlington, Virginia.

01:12:37.800 Would you look at this?

01:12:38.540 Martha Raddatz does not have to worry about the Venezuelan gangs coming in and committing 0.60

01:12:53.940 sexual assaults of minors because she's in the toniest part of one of the toniest towns in all

01:13:00.960 of America with her many, many millions.

01:13:05.000 I mean, look, there is obviously a reasonable debate to be had about many things in this

01:13:11.300 country.

01:13:12.320 But whether or not Venezuelan gangs should take over apartment blocks is not really one of

01:13:17.160 them.

01:13:17.320 And whether or not the government is obliged to try and prevent that is not one of them

01:13:23.900 either.

01:13:24.640 This is both at the border, a federal question and at the state level, a state question.

01:13:29.360 And I think on this, Vance is absolutely right.

01:13:33.500 If you are more worried about the hyperbole from Trump than you are that this is happening,

01:13:39.400 then you've missed the forest from the trees.

01:13:40.860 It's you have gone so far down the road of partisan politics that you've just forgotten

01:13:48.600 what it is that we're talking about.

01:13:51.220 Trump should be as accurate as he can be.

01:13:52.880 I think it is a problem the way he speaks sometimes.

01:13:55.520 But I mean, this is just just to hear yourself was the right question.

01:13:59.920 For the record, what Trump said was, I will rescue Aurora and every town that has been

01:14:05.900 invaded and conquered, which I think is defensible as a matter of the construction.

01:14:10.780 It's defensible.

01:14:11.900 But look, if you want, what she should have said at the end there is so, you know, Trump

01:14:18.380 used some hyperbole, but the issue that he was describing is real.

01:14:24.080 And she couldn't do it.

01:14:25.380 She finishes with this sort of, ha ha, got you, because what he said isn't literally

01:14:31.600 true.

01:14:32.420 But that doesn't fix the problem, which is that Venezuelan gangs have come into the 1.00

01:14:36.100 country illegally and taken over some apartment blocks in Aurora, Colorado.

01:14:39.180 And it's just baffling to me that she can't see it.

01:14:42.440 And they've been brought in.

01:14:43.280 They've been brought in by our government, MBD.

01:14:45.160 I mean, read the City Journal piece.

01:14:46.400 They lay it all out about how with the cooperation of the Colorado governor and these mayors and

01:14:52.320 these subsidized NGOs, which they then get paid millions by our federal government with

01:14:58.200 our money.

01:14:58.860 The NGOs take all these millions that are supposed to house these people and do and give them

01:15:03.780 two months rent.

01:15:04.640 And then they stay over beyond the two months and they don't have jobs.

01:15:08.180 And then they just become the community's problem.

01:15:10.400 I mean, read the piece.

01:15:11.960 She obviously she didn't and she doesn't care. 0.98

01:15:14.880 But I'll give you one person.

01:15:16.360 Her name is Cindy Romero and she lived in these apartment complexes. 1.00

01:15:20.720 She appeared at the Trump rally in Aurora, Colorado.

01:15:24.980 And listen to what she said.

01:15:27.160 I was a lifetime Democrat.

01:15:31.420 I'm ashamed to say that I thought that this was a solution.

01:15:38.640 Being called a liar has changed.

01:15:44.260 It's changed me.

01:15:45.660 It's changed my opinion.

01:15:47.120 I was harassed in my properties.

01:15:48.920 We were run out of our home after four years.

01:15:54.180 The loud music, the destruction, the gunshots, the crime.

01:16:01.820 We need a change.

01:16:03.620 What they're doing isn't working.

01:16:06.860 Danielle came in and saved me. 0.74

01:16:09.460 And like so many others in my building, we had no place to go.

01:16:14.020 As a lifetime Democrat, this experience has opened my eyes.

01:16:22.320 And we've got to make a change.

01:16:25.140 We've got to.

01:16:26.960 I'm voting for Trump.

01:16:29.000 Join me.

01:16:30.900 Join me and vote for Trump.

01:16:33.620 Let's have change.

01:16:34.880 Take it.

01:16:39.680 I mean, take it from her.

01:16:40.740 We've got.

01:16:42.280 We've got actual people, once again, being actually affected by these.

01:16:45.940 This administration's this one right now that's running for reelection policies. 0.95

01:16:50.060 And what Martha Raddatz wants to do is score little points from her multi-million dollar 1.00

01:16:55.920 perch on behalf of the illegals with whom she has such sympathy, for whom she has such

01:17:02.040 sympathy.

01:17:02.360 But none for the children who got sexually molested.

01:17:05.120 None for Cindy, whose life was ruined by this. 0.59

01:17:09.660 None.

01:17:10.440 And, you know, Trump and Vance have been doing events like this, going city to city and highlighting

01:17:16.080 people who've been affected by these policies.

01:17:18.000 It's very effective campaigning.

01:17:20.580 And it brings up what they really have to do if they are elected to office, which is

01:17:25.200 break up this nexus of government spending given to NGOs who then work very purposely with

01:17:34.640 hundreds of professionals to undermine the rule of law.

01:17:39.100 Because that's essentially what's happening, is the administration, you know, will create an

01:17:43.280 app that allows people to falsely apply for asylum and facilitate them into the country,

01:17:49.200 fly them from the border, put them in a town like Aurora, where they're networked in by an

01:17:57.180 NGO to employers of illegal immigrants, to slumlords who profit off of this. 0.98

01:18:04.320 Many of those slumlords are going to be found sitting on the town boards, or they're going to 1.00

01:18:08.220 be found in mayor's offices.

01:18:09.480 I mean, look to Springfield, Ohio, what properties does the mayor of Springfield, Ohio, own?

01:18:17.960 How many people live in them?

01:18:19.900 You know, these are questions that have to be asked by conservative journalists going

01:18:24.200 forward in breaking up this nexus, because it's incredibly powerful.

01:18:27.460 It works as an employment program for progressives at the NGO level, where lawyers, experts, social

01:18:34.340 workers, people with degrees in social justice get actual work.

01:18:39.620 But they're working alongside of, you know, typically old line Republican people, the owners

01:18:45.820 of these tough businesses, you know, packaging plants, you know, tire makers, you know, there

01:18:54.500 are all sorts of jobs that they're using illegal immigration as a way of undercutting the wages 0.60

01:19:00.700 and lowering the general standard of living in a town against the wishes of the middle

01:19:06.120 class people that live there.

01:19:08.440 And they're doing so in a totally open conspiracy against the law.

01:19:15.340 And that's what Donald Trump has to break up and expose when he's in office, if he's going

01:19:21.100 to get anywhere with this problem.

01:19:23.060 I mean, look at the states that we're discussing this happening in so far, you know, Colorado,

01:19:29.660 Ohio, Pennsylvania.

01:19:32.640 You know, I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but all three of those states have something in

01:19:37.640 common, which is they're very important in presidential politics and electoral politics,

01:19:42.700 especially Pennsylvania.

01:19:43.800 But also, I mean, to a lesser extent, Ohio's gone more red and Colorado's gone more blue.

01:19:48.840 But especially on the lower tickets, they're gettable.

01:19:51.900 They're gettable by by parties on both sides.

01:19:54.640 And it's it is disturbing when you see the number of immigrants who are being shipped by

01:19:59.120 the feds into these potential swing states.

01:20:02.720 Did you want to say something, MBD?

01:20:04.580 And they're being shipped there with this temporary protected status, which is a gateway towards

01:20:10.700 some kind of legal status and then citizenship that kind of skips over the normal steps that,

01:20:16.160 let's say, Charlie went through to get a green card and eventually become a citizen.

01:20:21.280 And and so, yes, that and that's why, right, if you were just even allowing a free for all,

01:20:27.240 if say that you were just saying the border was unguarded and people were coming in, they

01:20:32.000 would come to New York City and Los Angeles where there's huge opportunity.

01:20:35.220 It takes this whole axis of NGO power and government spending to bring Haitians into Western Pennsylvania,

01:20:45.700 into an old town that kind of fell out with deindustrialization.

01:20:51.120 It takes a whole nexus of people to bring Venezuelans into Aurora, Aurora, because you have to limit their movement. 0.95

01:20:58.920 You have to begin to tie them into these local institutions and then and tie them to these slumlords and these illegal employers. 1.00

01:21:06.720 It doesn't it doesn't happen naturally.

01:21:08.780 This isn't just negligence.

01:21:10.320 This is an open scheme that is being operated in real time knowingly.

01:21:17.280 And then we never deport them.

01:21:19.020 And even when we try to, usually their countries of origin say we don't want them. 0.98

01:21:23.340 They get a say in it.

01:21:24.680 And so we're stuck with them.

01:21:26.760 And so real live Americans like Cindy are feeling it.

01:21:30.520 And guess what Martha Raddatz didn't do? 1.00

01:21:32.920 She didn't play any sound from Cindy about the real life consequences of this problem.

01:21:39.480 She instead moved on to abortion. 1.00

01:21:42.380 Guys, a pleasure.

01:21:44.240 Thank you both so much for being here.

01:21:45.900 Thank you.

01:21:46.460 Thank you.

01:21:47.080 Coming up next, Allie Beth Stuckey is here looking forward to talking to her.

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01:23:54.620 My next guest has a very timely book on the way the left attempts to shame people into adopting their policies.

01:24:07.400 Allie Beth Stuckey's new book is called Toxic Empathy, How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion.

01:24:15.600 And it's out tomorrow.

01:24:17.340 She's also the host of the Relatable podcast.

01:24:20.040 Allie Beth, welcome back.

01:24:21.040 Great to see you.

01:24:21.900 Thanks so much, Megan.

01:24:22.860 Good to see you.

01:24:23.400 Congrats on the book.

01:24:24.700 I love a book that is a reasonable size.

01:24:27.500 It's a quick read and it's got a great message so you don't feel overwhelmed.

01:24:31.820 And this is hitting on such an important theme that, yes, they try, these leftists who have infiltrated our schools.

01:24:40.620 And I'm sorry to say some of our churches, not my church, but some churches, it's important to be empathetic to these suffering groups,

01:24:51.120 whether it's immigrants or trans, a message that really preys on kind-hearted people.

01:24:58.580 Right, exactly.

01:25:00.160 Especially Christians, because we are told to love and we care about the most vulnerable and we should.

01:25:05.760 And that's why I say that they exploit Christian compassion. 0.97

01:25:09.480 They use our natural inclination and for some of us, our spiritual inclination towards kindness and goodness and love and mercy and convince us through emotional manipulation that in order to be loving,

01:25:22.160 in order to care for the least of these, those on the margins of society, you have to agree with the progressive position and ultimately to vote Democrat.

01:25:32.420 And so this book is for Christians, but it's really for anyone, because especially for women, no matter what your religious affiliation is,

01:25:41.680 with our natural propensity towards compassion and mercy, we are the targets of this toxic empathy.

01:25:48.900 We are the ones that media, that Kamala Harris, the Democrat Party is looking at and saying,

01:25:54.320 I know that I can use your feelings, I can use your emotions, I can use even your good intentions to get you to support progressive policies.

01:26:04.840 But because progressive policies are all about good sounding state of intentions, not about positive outcomes.

01:26:13.040 And that's what I try to lay out in this book.

01:26:15.400 We go through the five big lies of progressivism.

01:26:18.720 Abortion is health care.

01:26:20.780 Trans women are women. 0.90

01:26:22.560 Love is love.

01:26:23.740 No human being is illegal.

01:26:25.720 And social justice is justice.

01:26:28.020 And I do my best to dismantle those lies in a way that is emotionally compelling and compassionate, but most importantly, truthful.

01:26:35.020 We just placed we just played a soundbite from this woman named Cindy in Cindy Romero at a Trump rally talking about how she was sucked into this, too,

01:26:46.140 when they all these Venezuelan migrants were brought to her town in Aurora, Colorado.

01:26:50.660 And then before you know it, her apartment complex is taken over with crime and guns and child molestation. 0.99

01:26:58.900 And, of course, she wasn't feeling empathy by the end of this experience, but that's how they lure you in in the beginning.

01:27:06.300 And you have a very good point about the abortion, the abortion rebranding.

01:27:11.440 This is Kamala Harris's big issue.

01:27:13.400 She's winning on this issue.

01:27:15.040 And this is only referred to as life-saving care that these women need. 1.00

01:27:22.440 Yep.

01:27:23.140 They follow the same formula on every subject.

01:27:25.560 So when it comes to abortion, we tell the story at the very beginning.

01:27:29.380 We start every chapter with this heart-rending narrative that is actually supposed to get the reader to take the progressive position to show you what the media does.

01:27:37.500 And we tell this story of a woman named Samantha in Texas who found out that her baby at 20 weeks gestation had a possibly life-limiting diagnosis.

01:27:48.800 And NPR told this story with the hopes that via toxic empathy that the reader would think, wow, these pro-life laws are so draconian to put ourselves in the feelings of only the woman, to think of only the mother, and to ignore that there is a human being, an insult child on the other side of this moral equation.

01:28:11.640 The victim of every abortion is the baby. 0.71

01:28:15.440 And yet toxic empathy, because it channels all of our feelings only into one purported victim, it actually blinds us to both reality and morality.

01:28:26.340 Even if you are someone who lands on the side of being pro-choice, it would still be wise to acknowledge that there is a person that we're talking about in every abortion situation.

01:28:36.760 There is a life that's being snucked out.

01:28:39.660 And so I'm encouraging women to critically think, to ask questions, to know about not just the intentions of the policies that progressives put forth, but the outcomes.

01:28:51.460 And immigration is a huge issue when it comes to this.

01:28:56.600 Women who want to accept the foreigner, to love the sojourner, as the Bible says, and the media does the same thing. 1.00

01:29:03.760 They'll hoist up the poor mother that's fleeing Colombian gang violence, who is scared of the specter of a Donald Trump presidency because she might be deported. 0.99

01:29:12.580 To try to get you to think that that's all illegal immigration is.

01:29:17.000 They want you to ignore the Venezuelan gang violence.

01:29:19.780 They want you to ignore Kate Steinle and Lakin Riley and Molly Tibbetts and the consequences of opening up our borders.

01:29:26.540 So that's what I want women to do. 1.00

01:29:28.160 And they want you to feel like a bad person if you recognize that people coming from third world countries probably don't have the same cultural standards that we do.

01:29:38.340 And we don't want them moving into our neighborhoods for that reason alone.

01:29:41.940 You'll get shamed as a racist or a bigot or whatever.

01:29:44.480 I don't care.

01:29:45.060 Who wants somebody who has grown up basically in the street with street justice prevailing as one's North Star moving into their cute little downtown suburb where they have their little kids?

01:29:58.740 It's not racist to say you don't want that.

01:30:01.180 It's I expect certain people in my neighborhood to live up to certain community standards when it comes to behavior.

01:30:08.340 This is what the people in Springfield are dealing with right now.

01:30:10.380 They talk about the guys, these Haitian migrants going into the grocery store, opening up the cans of food, sticking their hands in, eating some of it and discarding the jar on the floor.

01:30:19.840 No, we don't want to live like that.

01:30:22.640 Right.

01:30:23.120 And no one no one does.

01:30:24.400 The very people who are preaching to the rest of us about accepting people who have grown up in third world countries who are diametrically opposed to the values that our families hold, that our communities hold. 1.00

01:30:35.460 They don't want what you're describing for themselves.

01:30:37.780 They want it for other people.

01:30:39.120 They want it for the people of Springfield.

01:30:41.340 They want it for the people of Aurora.

01:30:43.160 They want it for the people who don't have the political capital, who don't have the money, don't have the influence to defend themselves.

01:30:49.840 They don't want it for their gated communities.

01:30:52.000 They don't want it for their nice neighborhoods.

01:30:55.160 They want it for other people.

01:30:57.060 Empathy.

01:30:57.780 We just showed right before you got here.

01:30:59.720 We just showed Martha Raddatz house, which she bought seven years ago for two point one, two five million dollars in Arlington.

01:31:05.540 It's an estate.

01:31:06.800 It's spectacular.

01:31:07.580 You saw her on the Sunday show giving J.D. Vance a hard time about Trump's claim about what's happening in Aurora, Colorado with Venezuelan gangs coming in.

01:31:15.900 To your point, Martha Raddatz doesn't have a thing to worry about in her beautiful home in Arlington, Virginia. 0.98

01:31:22.800 There will never be a gang of Venezuelan gang members coming to commit crimes on her lawn.

01:31:29.960 Exactly.

01:31:32.280 And that's why empathy is such a convenient, really non-virtue, because you can claim to be a good person by saying you have empathy.

01:31:40.240 But empathy is just about how you feel.

01:31:42.460 It's not about your actions.

01:31:43.860 It's not about actually loving someone.

01:31:46.120 And so she can claim to have empathy for the migrant, empathy for the poor person, knowing that the effects of her policy decisions and what she advocates for will never show up at her door.

01:31:56.860 And there's nothing wrong with having a lot of money and having a beautiful estate.

01:32:00.800 I know I'm looking at it.

01:32:01.800 It's gorgeous.

01:32:02.560 I wish I lived there myself.

01:32:04.940 But it is not loving.

01:32:06.640 It is not kind.

01:32:07.680 You're not being a good citizen, a good steward of the privileges and the rights that you have to say basically safety, security for me, but not for thee.

01:32:16.060 Enter into the conversation Brian Cranston, who I loved in Breaking Bad, just like most Americans who saw the series, but who I cannot stand as an individual.

01:32:29.420 And the reason I can't stand Brian Cranston is personal.

01:32:33.140 I'll tell you what it is after you look at this thought of him endorsing Kamala Harris and listen to him explain why.

01:32:40.980 I am not a politician.

01:32:44.740 I am not a doctor or a lawyer, but I've played all of those on television.

01:32:53.080 But I am a father of a daughter.

01:32:56.920 And it's important to me for her life now and for the future and other father's daughters to be able to have within their lifetime the fundamental right of freedom of choice.

01:33:10.800 There should not be anyone but them deciding what happens to their own bodies.

01:33:16.920 He really, really wants to make sure his grandchildren can be aborted.

01:33:25.560 He's standing in front of a sign that reads fighting for reproductive freedom, reproductive freedom.

01:33:31.260 So, Ali, Beth, the reason I don't like Brian Cranston is because a dear friend of mine was one of this guy's closest friends for decades.

01:33:41.120 And Brian Cranston dumped my friend as his friend because he's a Republican and voted for Trump.

01:33:49.620 He's not even like a huge Republican.

01:33:51.800 He's a Republican.

01:33:52.920 I mean, he's a right-leaning guy.

01:33:54.440 But he ended their lifelong friendship just because he turned out to be a Trump supporter.

01:34:02.320 That is so vile and so disgusting and is right on brand with what we just heard there.

01:34:09.240 Oh, yeah.

01:34:09.840 Horrible person.

01:34:10.740 I mean, you and I both have people in our lives that we love dearly and disagree with.

01:34:14.860 And maybe we have to decide for a period of time that we're not going to talk about politics.

01:34:18.460 I have multiple friends.

01:34:20.120 But especially in the summer of 2020, we're like, OK, we're not going to talk about this BLM stuff anymore because it's hurting our relationship. 1.00

01:34:26.540 And we moved on.

01:34:27.920 And at the end of the day, we have the same four values.

01:34:30.240 That's why we're friends.

01:34:31.800 And that's what mature people do.

01:34:33.460 That's what kind and compassionate people do.

01:34:35.440 But that's not what petty political people do.

01:34:38.060 And that's Brian Cranston.

01:34:39.080 And it's not because of his love for his daughter that he is voting for Kamala Harris.

01:34:45.800 I mean, that is such a ridiculous statement.

01:34:48.300 Everyone has reproductive freedom. 1.00

01:34:50.140 No one is stopping you from reproducing children if you want to. 0.98

01:34:53.600 What we do want to restrict, what we do want to stop is the killing of unborn children. 0.95

01:34:58.680 And it's amazing to me that he and how many other celebrities, Steph Curry, Jennifer Lawrence, Taylor Swift, have all said their number one reason to vote for communism, basically, to vote for open borders, is abortion.

01:35:15.200 How superficial and evil is that?

01:35:17.200 Well, of course, for Taylor Swift, it was also Tim Walz's LGBTQ policies, which include his radical trans policies in Minnesota.

01:35:28.900 I mean, that's what she said.

01:35:31.020 And thank God Trump is getting better at dropping the ads in the right places and the right time on Harris Walls and their radicalness when it comes to the trans issue. 0.94

01:35:43.360 He continues to run this ad, although he improved it.

01:35:47.200 During NFL football games, look at the latest.

01:35:52.880 He murdered a father of three.

01:35:55.160 Sentenced to life in prison, Kamala Harris pushed to use tax dollars to pay for his sex change. 1.00

01:36:00.500 I made sure that they changed the policy so that every transgender inmate would have access. 0.61

01:36:06.400 It sounds insane because it is insane.

01:36:09.240 Kamala was the first to help pay for a prisoner's sex change. 0.91

01:36:12.200 The power that I had, I used it in a way that was about pushing for the movement, frankly.

01:36:16.960 Plan the agenda.

01:36:17.920 Kamala's agenda is they, them, not you.

01:36:20.800 I'm Donald J. Trump, and I approve this message.

01:36:24.140 Pretty good.

01:36:25.100 Oh, that last line was so good.

01:36:27.440 It is about time they start hitting her and Walls on this because you'll know that if you look at the Democrat side during this campaign, what has been absent?

01:36:34.860 The quote unquote trans issue.

01:36:37.320 They don't want these people representing the Democrat Party.

01:36:40.600 They know how unpopular this is with women, with most Americans, even people on the left.

01:36:45.680 So they're not talking about it.

01:36:47.260 Good on Trump and Vance bringing this up.

01:36:49.520 We have men in women's prisons who say that they're women raping these incarcerated women, impregnating them, beating them, assaulting them. 0.98

01:36:58.660 This is the consequence of that toxic empathy.

01:37:01.820 It blinds you to what is good and true.

01:37:03.640 And what they say is, trans women are women.

01:37:08.280 That's it.

01:37:09.040 That's the tweet.

01:37:10.100 You see it all over X.

01:37:11.640 And what they don't do is highlight people like my guest I had on this show, Brooke Slusser, yesterday, who is the co-captain of the San Jose State volleyball team,

01:37:24.740 who wasn't told that the person they roomed her with at this Division I volleyball school that she was at, that is at, was a man, was a man masquerading as a woman. 0.63

01:37:36.040 It wasn't until she got on the court and she saw this person had a lot of power and actually potentially posed a danger and then heard people talking about the fact that there was a man.

01:37:44.180 But now she's, they don't really want her to join this Riley Gaines lawsuit claiming Title IX violations against these universities because she should be more empathy because trans women are women. 1.00

01:37:55.820 She should have more empathy.

01:37:57.920 Yeah, see, that's the problem.

01:37:59.700 That's the problem with empathy.

01:38:00.940 You get so caught into someone's feelings that you forget about what is true.

01:38:05.980 You forget about everything outside of that person.

01:38:08.600 And this is something we see with the left a lot is that they use these nonsensical mantras like trans women are women.

01:38:15.760 And yet, as Matt Walsh so brilliantly proved, they can't even define woman. 0.73

01:38:20.500 They can't even define trans woman.

01:38:22.240 If you ask them, what is a trans woman?

01:38:24.820 Well, they can't say a woman who used to be a man because they don't believe that.

01:38:28.700 So what is the difference?

01:38:29.700 Why is a trans woman at all? 1.00

01:38:31.740 They have to use euphemisms.

01:38:33.220 They have to use these circular mantras.

01:38:36.120 They have to use these superficial talking points because they're lying.

01:38:40.440 When you are on the side of truth, you don't have to lie and you don't have to use emotional manipulation to get people on your side.

01:38:47.020 But good on your guest.

01:38:48.160 I mean, that takes a lot of courage and I'm very proud of her.

01:38:51.820 You know, if they were really just for women, they would be covering stories like my volleyball player guest.

01:38:58.180 And they'd be covering stories like the women who regretted their abortions and who, you know, women who, notwithstanding the fact that they got a devastating diagnosis of their baby in utero, nonetheless chose to carry the child through to delivery.

01:39:12.180 I saw a heart-wrenching video with one young mother talking about exactly this on X the other day.

01:39:18.820 And she was saying, I just realized I had so little time with her, but for now she was safe inside this warm womb of mine.

01:39:27.320 And I knew she was going to die, but I didn't want her to die any sooner than she had to.

01:39:32.380 And I didn't want her to die any more violently than she had to.

01:39:35.020 Why don't they tell those stories if they're just pro-women and give the whole story? 1.00

01:39:41.760 Exactly.

01:39:42.540 Well, you can't be pro-women and be for slaughtering millions of little girls inside the womb. 1.00

01:39:48.820 And of course, as we saw with the Amber Thurman story, with many of these other stories that they're lying about, abortion is not good for women. 0.87

01:39:55.660 Amber Thurman, you know, as you have covered and as many have talked about, did not die because of a pro-life law.

01:40:02.720 She died because of the abortion pill.

01:40:05.360 And yet, via this toxic empathy, via the lies and the euphemisms of the Harris campaign, I mean, just absolutely shameless, convincing us that because Georgia has restrictions on abortion, because they have a pro-life law, that's why she died.

01:40:21.120 And unfortunately, I know many women, pro-life women, who are convinced by this, who believe they have to vote for Kamala Harris because Kamala Harris is going to protect miscarriage care, is going to protect women in emergency rooms.

01:40:34.560 And that has been debunked many times.

01:40:36.540 But unfortunately, the propaganda on that is really strong.

01:40:39.540 The media is just so pro-abortion.

01:40:42.880 It's their message is ubiquitous.

01:40:44.680 They control all the messaging on this.

01:40:46.280 It's very hard to break through.

01:40:47.300 The lie about wanting to protect women is also evident, for example, in how they're responding to this report, so far exclusive to the Daily Mail,

01:41:00.960 that Doug Emhoff, our current, quote, second gentleman and potential first, quote, gentleman, may be a woman abuser,

01:41:09.620 that he allegedly smacked a woman across the face so hard just in 2012.

01:41:15.720 This wasn't 30 years ago in a college drunken stupor, not that that would excuse it.

01:41:20.320 But this was 2012 with the woman he was dating right before Kamala Harris, a very successful, professional, beautiful woman at a red carpet, black tie event in Cannes, France, to which she brought him as her date.

01:41:35.340 And according to three of the women's friends, he got so angry, such a hair trigger, that she put her hand on the shoulder of a valet trying to get a cab that he wailed on her right out on the street in the open,

01:41:51.660 smacking her around so hard on the face that she was spun about and made a run for it to try to escape him. 0.93

01:41:58.480 Now, they don't care.

01:42:00.520 Nobody has asked him about this, Allie Beth.

01:42:02.860 He had an interview with this guy, Tim Miller, who thinks Trump is so deplorable he can't possibly vote for him, even though he was a Republican operative prior to Trump.

01:42:12.040 Now he's with the Bulwark, which is a never-Trumper organization. 1.00

01:42:15.340 And then he sits down with Joe Scarborough.

01:42:17.360 Same thing.

01:42:18.320 Republican who now is as, you know, left as you can make a Republican.

01:42:22.580 I think he's officially now an independent.

01:42:24.460 He's definitely a big Kamala Harris fan.

01:42:27.460 He gets an interview with him.

01:42:28.960 He works for a news organization.

01:42:30.700 I mean, they purport to be an actual news organization.

01:42:34.880 And the issue does come up.

01:42:37.080 But this is how.

01:42:38.240 Today it ran.

01:42:39.040 We ran the tease clip on Friday.

01:42:41.300 I said, all right, we'll wait till Monday.

01:42:43.220 Maybe there's more.

01:42:44.120 I'll keep an open mind.

01:42:45.560 Maybe he did his job.

01:42:47.100 He didn't.

01:42:48.060 Here it is.

01:42:49.480 Spreading it about you.

01:42:51.120 saying that tabloid stories about your personal life, saying it should be front and center.

01:43:00.000 He's saying it about your wife and making incredibly crude and lewd suggestions about her past life.

01:43:11.960 How do you stay disciplined and not really go off and not really push back hard at these things?

01:43:19.340 We don't have time to be pissed off.

01:43:21.320 We don't have time to focus on it.

01:43:22.720 It's all a distraction.

01:43:24.040 It's designed to try to get us off our game.

01:43:26.600 Does it get you off?

01:43:27.340 No.

01:43:27.800 We love each other dearly.

01:43:29.560 We love being around each other.

01:43:31.160 We enjoy it.

01:43:31.880 We have fun together.

01:43:32.700 Right now, we're deferring that kind of happy couple time because everything we talk about right now is what else can we be doing to win this election?

01:43:43.820 I don't know if you know this or not, but your wife and I were on the cover of New York Times magazine this week, along with about 28 other people.

01:43:53.440 And the question was whether Donald Trump would be able to jail the people he said he was going to jail.

01:43:59.760 Ah, so does she think about that?

01:44:04.440 We don't think about that for ourselves.

01:44:06.660 We think about it for every single other person in this country.

01:44:11.740 Yeah.

01:44:12.560 So no people.

01:44:13.880 He doesn't care about women at all.

01:44:16.420 This is this.

01:44:16.880 This is the same side that's trying to tell us.

01:44:18.940 That's why we have to have, quote, reproductive freedom. 1.00

01:44:21.140 That's why trans women are women, because we, the Democrats, are the party of women. 0.82

01:44:26.780 Yeah.

01:44:27.180 And supposedly, that's one of their biggest gripes with Donald Trump is the allegations against him, which, you know, there are a lot of accusations against Donald Trump.

01:44:35.880 And I've never heard an accusation quite like the one against Doug Emhoff, which, as you said, is recent and has also been corroborated by eyewitness accounts.

01:44:44.920 So I think that that is worth at least one question.

01:44:48.120 Instead, he even preempted the answer by saying, oh, you know, these tabloid reports and, you know, very salacious things Donald Trump is saying, going ahead and getting him off the hook by saying, I know these accusations are false.

01:45:02.820 I'm not even going to spell them out.

01:45:04.500 I won't even give him the opportunity to defend himself.

01:45:07.220 I'm just going to say that they're false.

01:45:09.760 That is evil.

01:45:10.960 That is stupid.

01:45:12.320 The arrogance, the ends justify the means completely for these people.

01:45:16.780 They have no right to call themselves journalists.

01:45:18.720 His his landing point was, how do you stay disciplined in the face of these reports of you being a woman beater?

01:45:27.680 Right.

01:45:28.140 I mean, it's just the absurdity of it.

01:45:29.760 And I'll tell you what infuriates me, Ali Beth. 0.83

01:45:31.840 I told the audience this and they know this, but I've done a lot, a lot of reporting on these stories over the many years.

01:45:39.760 And I don't care whether you are a Republican or a Democrat.

01:45:44.000 I don't care if you're conservative or liberal.

01:45:45.540 But if there are credible allegations, I don't go with everything, but if there are credible allegations against you and it becomes news, I will discuss it if it's newsworthy.

01:45:54.480 And this is newsworthy.

01:45:56.140 My God, he's a step away from the Oval Office right now.

01:46:00.240 Yeah.

01:46:00.940 And I will show you my team pulled together some examples.

01:46:04.300 But these these are Republicans who have been accused and Democrats who are being accused in the following budded soundbite that Canadian Debbie put together.

01:46:13.500 She's been with me for 15 years.

01:46:15.640 She's been through it all.

01:46:16.520 Here it is.

01:46:16.880 Watch us.

01:46:18.220 We're back now with three of the 16 plus women who have accused President Trump of sexual misconduct.

01:46:24.240 The American public was put in a position of having to choose between a man who had been accused of sexual misconduct or a woman who was alleged to have enabled a husband accused repeatedly of sexual assault and even rape.

01:46:33.980 Do you think the Trump campaign did a good job of nullifying all of you?

01:46:39.200 Joining me now, another woman who has alleged groping, unwanted groping by Donald Trump, Beverly Young Nelson. 0.97

01:46:46.980 She told a crowded news conference Moore offered her a ride home from her job at a restaurant in 1977 when she was just 16.

01:46:53.660 Mr. Moore reached over and began groping me.

01:46:56.820 Now, he claims he never did it.

01:46:59.580 He never signed it.

01:47:00.640 This is a forgery.

01:47:02.000 Would you be willing to submit this to an expert to figure it out?

01:47:04.460 Yes.

01:47:04.740 Senator Al Franken of Minnesota has been accused of forcefully kissing radio personality Leanne Tweeden without her consent.

01:47:12.300 Oh, and also groping her. 0.58

01:47:13.660 Tara, thank you so much for being here.

01:47:15.500 I remember being pushed up against the wall.

01:47:17.940 He had his hands underneath my clothes.

01:47:24.380 You kept virtually every record from your 92, 93 stint in Biden's office.

01:47:29.260 Why would you not keep the one form that alleged harassment or retaliation?

01:47:35.420 Okay.

01:47:36.340 Yeah.

01:47:36.700 It's not hard.

01:47:38.160 It's not hard.

01:47:38.980 Just ask one question.

01:47:40.180 Just ask one.

01:47:41.500 Put your partisan leanings aside for just 60 seconds to do your duty.

01:47:49.040 And if you did actually care about women, Allie Beth, if you did actually care about women, like I know you do, and like I know I do, you would do it.

01:47:58.200 You would find the strength to do it no matter how hard your partisan leanings.

01:48:02.980 Because only a hack would fail.

01:48:05.540 And that's what you are, Joe Scarborough.

01:48:06.980 Shame on you.

01:48:08.740 Oh, absolutely.

01:48:09.680 You could even just pretend for 30 seconds to care about women if you just wanted to protect your journalistic integrity and your reputation.

01:48:17.380 But they don't even care about that.

01:48:19.200 These people want to win at whatever the cost.

01:48:22.160 And that's why Jen Psaki has that fluff interview with Doug Inhofe, which, of course, you've covered, in which she says that he has redefined masculinity.

01:48:31.660 Now, I don't think this latest accusation had come out yet, but the accusation of him impregnating his nanny and then somehow the baby disappeared after that had come out.

01:48:42.480 It seems to me like he is just your classic scumbag.

01:48:44.660 I don't see anything new or progressive or shiny or inspiring about this form of masculinity that he emulates.

01:48:52.520 He is your classic, grimy, scumbag, womanizing guy, allegedly.

01:48:59.080 And I don't see anything about him that screams, I want this guy in the White House to represent me.

01:49:04.440 You don't even know how to say allegedly.

01:49:07.140 He admitted to banging the nanny and getting her pregnant.

01:49:10.080 That was not denied when the first Daily Mail report hit.

01:49:13.340 The rest of it has been denied, the business about hitting the woman.

01:49:17.080 And then there was a subsequent report by the Daily Mail talking about how he was allegedly guilty of creating a toxic workplace for women when at the law firm he ran.

01:49:27.840 He hasn't responded to that last I looked at all.

01:49:30.880 But, yeah, you're right.

01:49:31.940 Agreed.

01:49:32.400 Scumbag.

01:49:32.920 I'm perfectly happy with the word.

01:49:34.440 And saying it, and it's not about tabloid.

01:49:37.360 You admitted it, sir.

01:49:39.000 Here's the last thing I want to ask you about.

01:49:40.880 Again, the book is called Toxic Empathy, How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion by Allie Beth Stuckey.

01:49:50.740 Let's talk about the churches because, so I am Catholic, but, and the Catholic Church is still holding the line on a lot of this, which is good.

01:50:01.640 I appreciate it.

01:50:03.260 Not all of it.

01:50:04.000 They're not so great on the immigration thing, but they're good on the trans thing, and they're obviously good on the abortion thing.

01:50:08.280 They're not so big on infidelity and all that.

01:50:11.200 Those are good things that they're holding the line on.

01:50:14.520 Because, let's face it, when you go every Sunday, you want your child, you want to be helped with imprinting a good moral code on your child.

01:50:22.500 So if you and your church are not on the same page, it's not going to work.

01:50:26.120 But I went on a little tour of potential churches about a year ago, and I was shocked at how liberal Christian churches that are not Catholic are.

01:50:39.820 You know, from the Presbyterians to the Episcopalians to some other nondescript denominations, very, very different on all of these issues.

01:50:50.120 So what do you make of that?

01:50:52.920 Yeah, this is a big problem.

01:50:56.100 Within, I would say, evangelicalism, even conservative evangelicalism, is a lack of clarity and courage from pastors, even though they might know what is true biblically.

01:51:07.340 They're afraid to say it.

01:51:08.500 They don't want to wade into what they call politics because they're afraid that some congregants would leave or it's divisive.

01:51:15.320 But the truth is, is that it's not that these pastors are being called to be political, it's that politics today is very theological.

01:51:23.420 Politics has waded into the biblical realm.

01:51:26.220 When you're talking about abortion, the definition of gender, the definition of marriage and family, even when you're talking about the existence or non-existence of a country or borders, when you're talking about the doling out of justice, you are talking about subjects that the Bible talks about very clearly and explicitly.

01:51:42.820 So a pastor, just in preaching through the word of God, which is the pastor's job, will necessarily inevitably get political.

01:51:51.580 And look, pastors, your congregants are looking for clarity.

01:51:54.680 If they're not finding it from you, they will find it somewhere.

01:51:57.160 They'll find it on TikTok.

01:51:58.180 They'll find it on Instagram.

01:51:59.460 They'll find it on X.

01:52:00.840 You want to be the one to guide your congregation through these very imminent, important issues that are on the ballot.

01:52:08.560 You don't have to endorse a candidate, but it's not enough for you as a pastor to say, well, both sides are bad.

01:52:14.580 Just have empathy for people.

01:52:16.340 No, Christians are called to the truth in love.

01:52:18.580 Love never rejoices in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth.

01:52:21.840 That's 1 Corinthians 13, 6.

01:52:24.000 So as pastors, as Christians, we have a responsibility to tell the truth in love, to tell people the reality of male and female, to tell people the reality of the value of life inside the womb.

01:52:35.460 These are existential huge issues that churches really, really need to be clear on.

01:52:41.560 Yes, and that God did not make a mistake when he made you.

01:52:45.000 He knew exactly what he was doing.

01:52:46.560 He knew exactly what sex you would be, and we don't second-guess God on his decisions.

01:52:52.140 The book talks a bit about something I know you talk about on your show, and that is the reluctance by some, especially empathetic women, right, who have been raised their whole lives to be good girls, to not raise a stink, you know, to go along, to get along, to be the peacemaker in a lot of cases.

01:53:10.680 And it's not just women, it's some men too, but it kind of speaks out to these folks, again, in Toxic Empathy by Allie Beth Stuckey, saying it might be okay to raise a, is it respectful ruckus?

01:53:25.160 I'm trying to remember the phrase.

01:53:27.120 Yes, yes, definitely.

01:53:29.620 It is okay, and it's actually necessary on behalf of our children to raise a respectful ruckus about the things that matter.

01:53:37.840 When you're looking at, for example, the trans issue, and again, we go through all of those five issues, these, I like to say politics matter because policy matters because people matter.

01:53:45.880 Politics affects policy, policy affects people, people matter.

01:53:48.960 We're not only talking about these individuals who say, I'm trapped in the wrong body and I have to go into a women's locker room in order to feel like my real authentic self. 0.79

01:53:57.080 We are talking about policies that not only fly in the face of reality, but affect vulnerable people on the other side.

01:54:04.340 It's not enough to just have compassion for the man who feels like he's trapped in the wrong body and wants to dress up like a woman. 0.74

01:54:10.520 You can feel for them, you can have sympathy maybe for their struggle.

01:54:14.200 But to endorse in the name of empathy, to affirm his feelings and to say our policies have to align with those delusions, well, now you're selling out the vulnerable people on the other side of that equation.

01:54:25.840 The women and girls who will be no longer entitled to the rights, the privacy, the fairness that they should be entitled to.

01:54:33.880 And that's why empathy is really not a good guide for decision making.

01:54:37.680 Too many people demand our empathy.

01:54:39.940 Truth is, biblical morality is, facts are, even science can inform some of that when we're looking at reality.

01:54:48.240 And so empathy can only get you so far, but it can also be dangerous when it allows you to affirm things that aren't true.

01:54:56.200 And being empathetic does not mean being weak.

01:55:00.280 You can be strong.

01:55:01.800 It can't be.

01:55:02.440 And have empathy and deploy it in the right circumstance.

01:55:05.820 And also just understand this is very hard for this person.

01:55:08.720 This is how I feel about the trans issue.

01:55:10.280 I do have empathy for people who are trans.

01:55:12.240 It must be a terrible thing to have to deal with, this feeling.

01:55:16.620 But that doesn't mean I think men should be allowed into women's spaces or sports, etc.

01:55:23.100 So you can have that empathy in your heart.

01:55:25.100 You can choose not to bully.

01:55:26.840 You can be, you know, kind and respectful.

01:55:28.960 I think this woman who was on the show that we released yesterday is exactly like that.

01:55:32.620 This Brooks Lusser, who's, she went to the trans person on her team before she joined Riley's lawsuit over Title IX. 0.88

01:55:40.220 And she told him, I am going to do this.

01:55:43.180 And I hope it doesn't affect us on the court.

01:55:45.820 And that took a lot of guts.

01:55:48.120 You know, so you can be still kind, but stand up for what you believe in.

01:55:53.340 That is what toxic empathy is all about from somebody who's doing it every day on her show.

01:55:58.900 Again, it's the subtitle is How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion.

01:56:03.600 Allie Beth Stuckey.

01:56:05.020 It's always a pleasure seeing you.

01:56:06.960 Thank you so much for coming on and talking about the book.

01:56:09.960 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:56:11.180 And thanks for everything you do.

01:56:12.400 I get a lot of courage from you and I know so many do.

01:56:14.740 So thank you.

01:56:15.860 Oh, you're so kind.

01:56:17.580 Now, listen, this comes out tomorrow.

01:56:19.040 So get it now.

01:56:19.960 I, you know, a couple of weeks ago we had on Marty McCary, Dr. Marty McCary.

01:56:23.640 And I said, if you're smart, you'll get it right now while he's on.

01:56:26.060 Because as soon as this episode gets distributed and gets out there,

01:56:29.880 they're going to run out of these books.

01:56:31.160 And that's exactly what happened.

01:56:32.580 He's been tweeting about it ever since.

01:56:34.360 So listen to me that the same thing is going to happen to this book.

01:56:37.820 It happens to conservatives because these publishing houses don't believe in conservatives

01:56:43.700 and they just don't understand our audience.

01:56:46.600 So they always underestimate on the number of books that they're going to buy.

01:56:50.000 And then, you know, you kind of get screwed because you don't want to wait.

01:56:53.620 So just do it now.

01:56:54.340 Comes out tomorrow.

01:56:55.480 If you place your order now, you'll be ahead of the game.

01:56:57.880 Toxic Empathy.

01:56:59.180 A quick but important read.

01:57:01.240 And I think you'll love it.

01:57:01.980 Allie Beth deserves all of our support.

01:57:04.260 I'm looking up.

01:57:05.140 It's only 172 pages with acknowledgements.

01:57:08.440 So that's so good, right?

01:57:09.680 You can read it quickly.

01:57:10.640 Don't you love it?

01:57:11.160 I love it when you get like a nice short one that can have a big impact.

01:57:14.020 Okay.

01:57:14.460 We will see you tomorrow.

01:57:15.720 Much, much more to go over.

01:57:17.000 There's just like drinking from fire hose right now.

01:57:20.060 Thanks for tuning in.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 14, 2024

Dems Panic Over Kamala's Emptiness, and Vance Takes on ABC Over Venezuelan Gangs, with Charles Cooke, MBD, and Allie Beth Stuckey ｜ Ep. 916

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