The Megyn Kelly Show - Dems Smear Dissenters as Russian Assets, Nashville Shooter's Manifesto Revealed, and Stelter's CNN Return, with Glenn Greenwald

00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.940 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today we've got a great show

00:00:16.240 on tap with the perfect guest, as one of the bedrocks of the free world comes under increasing

00:00:21.760 attack, including by the very people who promise to support and defend it. We're talking about

00:00:26.960 free speech. Right now, Elon Musk's ex is banned in Brazil, while flashbacks of VP Kamala Harris's

00:00:34.720 attempts at censorship are making the rounds. Plus, guess what partisan journalist, and I'm

00:00:40.260 using that term in quotes, has been rehired at CNN. I know my guest today is going to be thrilled

00:00:48.280 with this news. Joining me now, Glenn Greenwald, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and host of

00:00:53.780 Rumble's System Update, who is based in Brazil. I have to tell you about the Daily Wires documentary.

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00:02:19.300 tickets now. Glenn, welcome back to the show. I have too much self-respect to actually start

00:02:26.280 with the news of Brian Stelter. So we're going to table that for a bit and we will speak instead.

00:02:32.140 Oh, I was so excited. All right. I'll contain my excitement and we'll get to it when you're ready.

00:02:36.360 Right. We can't. We have too much self-respect to do it. No, we're going to start with Elon Musk in

00:02:41.260 a battle now as Brazil, where you happen to live, is kicking X out of Brazil, threatening Elon,

00:02:50.100 saying he has to pay $3 million in fines because he won't do what they tell him to do. But meanwhile,

00:02:55.600 X, unbeknownst to me until the story broke, is huge in Brazil. It's in fact, one of its biggest

00:03:01.540 forums and Elon so far standing firm on not doing what the government wants him to do. So

00:03:08.120 put this in perspective for us. So first of all, I think when a lot of people hear what's happening

00:03:13.180 in Brazil, people in the United States think, oh, that's a little bit distant from me. It doesn't

00:03:17.120 have a lot to do with me. But Brazil is one of the world's top five democracies. It's the second

00:03:22.820 largest country in our hemisphere, 215 million people, landmass almost the size of the United States,

00:03:28.760 huge geostrategic importance because of oil and the Amazon. And it's also always played the major

00:03:35.120 role in South America. But more importantly, Brazil has been being used as a test case of how far

00:03:41.360 online censorship can go. People in Western Europe, even the United States have conferences,

00:03:47.060 they invite these Brazilian judges, these Brazilian prosecutors and officials who are implementing a

00:03:52.540 system of online censorship that may be a couple of steps ahead of where Europe and the United States

00:03:58.400 is. But on that same path, so it has great relevance, because a lot of censors in the West

00:04:04.720 are watching how far it can go. And the fact that X, which is it's not the biggest app in Brazil,

00:04:12.240 just like it's not in the US, you have Instagram and YouTube that are bigger. But in terms of politics

00:04:17.120 and news and free speech and the like, it is the epicenter and has long been the epicenter

00:04:22.620 of Brazilian journalism, activism, dissent. And for you to now have a single judge in Brazil with

00:04:30.300 the support of the Brazilian political class, banning the app, not only banning it, but making

00:04:35.580 it a crime to use a VPN to access apps. If you're in Brazil, the VPN allows you to disguise where you

00:04:44.600 are. It's used in a lot of authoritarian countries. The Chinese use it, the Russians use it to access

00:04:49.400 prohibited sites, really gives you a sense of how extreme states are becoming in terms of their

00:04:56.880 determination to control the flow of information on platforms that they currently can't control.

00:05:02.580 They demanded that Elon appoint a local representative of X who is based in Brazil. He refused to do it

00:05:11.000 because he thought, you just want to threaten me by arresting my guy. You want me to appoint Glenn

00:05:16.740 Greenwald. And next thing you know, Glenn's back in jail where you've already been, thanks to these

00:05:21.640 guys, the Brazilian government. They don't like Glenn because he reports on them and he's unsparing.

00:05:26.360 But anyway, he sees the game that they're trying to play and he's a step ahead of them. But right now

00:05:32.760 he's been shut down. And this really is an important means of allowing free speech in a place like

00:05:38.360 Brazil. So how do you see this ending? Yeah. So I think this is the crucial point is, you know,

00:05:43.660 in theory, it isn't that unreasonable for a country to say, if you want to operate in our country,

00:05:49.220 you have to have a physical representative in our country. In theory, that's a sort of reasonable

00:05:53.760 thing to do. Most countries will have that if you want to operate in the United States. Of course,

00:05:57.940 you need a physical office and a representative. The problem is that every time there's an order of

00:06:03.940 censorship that is given not by the government, by a single judge, and X doesn't comply with it

00:06:09.980 immediately, the judge threatens X executives that it will imprison them. They did it to Facebook a

00:06:16.560 few years ago, too, when Facebook was starting to become resistant. So who in their right mind would

00:06:21.220 agree to be the representative of X when the judge has already said, and I'm talking about a Supreme

00:06:26.660 Court judge, if you are the representative of X and they don't censor immediately, then you will be

00:06:34.600 imprisoned until they do. He basically wants a hostage to force them. Now, let me just, about

00:06:39.740 these censorship orders, Megan, let me just tell you, many of the people who are being ordered censored

00:06:44.840 and off the internet are not just random extremists, which would still be wrong. We're talking mostly

00:06:52.040 about elected officials of the federal Congress, the federal Senate, the most known people in Brazil

00:06:59.120 whose crime is that they, number one, support Jair Bolsonaro and the right-wing movement, and number

00:07:04.660 two, that they frequently criticize the Supreme Court. The mentality of the Supreme Court in Brazil is

00:07:10.160 any criticism of us, any questioning of our legitimacy is an attack on Brazilian democracy itself.

00:07:17.420 And this is becoming the mentality in the broader West that if you question our decrees on COVID,

00:07:23.540 you question our decrees on war on January 6th on election integrity, it's not just wrong. You have

00:07:30.320 to be banned because you're threatening the security of our society itself. And that is the mentality that

00:07:36.400 is being implemented first in Brazil, but is being deeply watched and monitored by other countries who

00:07:42.000 want to do the same. Including potentially our own. I mean, we just had Mark Zuckerberg come forward

00:07:47.900 in a letter that he penned saying, we regret that we submitted when we were pressured during COVID

00:07:55.740 by this government into banning certain memes, certain questioning of things like vaccines. It's been

00:08:04.980 happening under the Biden administration. It will continue happening under a Harris administration. As she

00:08:10.760 has basically admitted, she says her values haven't changed. Here she was talking to Jake Tapper about social

00:08:16.920 media needing oversight and regulation in 2019. Stop four. And the bottom line is that you can't say

00:08:25.440 that you have one rule for Facebook and you have a different rule for Twitter. The same rule has to

00:08:29.380 apply, which is that there has to be a responsibility that is placed on these social media sites to

00:08:35.980 understand their power. They are directly speaking to millions and millions of people without any level

00:08:43.420 of, of, of, of oversight or regulation. And that has to stop. That's scary.

00:08:51.560 Well, it's such a remarkable revelation. When, when the internet was first starting to develop in the

00:08:56.180 mid nineties and into the early two thousands, the excitement around it was that, oh, we're finally

00:09:01.420 going to have a instrument that not the government or big corporations will control, but that the

00:09:07.220 citizenry will control. So we can communicate with one another to speak, uh, share information with one

00:09:12.800 another without needing a huge corporation to pay for, uh, satellites and printing presses. That was

00:09:18.620 the promise of the internet. And I think that what happened was after 2016, first when the British voted

00:09:25.880 to leave the EU by approving Brexit. And especially when Americans voted for Donald Trump instead of

00:09:33.060 Hillary Clinton, Western elites realized, and you hear it in Kamala Harris's statement there that they

00:09:38.580 can no longer allow a weapon in the hands of the people that is free, that allows a free expression

00:09:44.560 of ideas, a free exchange of information. As she said, we need to start regulating it. We need to start

00:09:49.740 controlling it. And I I'm sure you saw today, Megan, there was some sort of trumpeting by CNN of this

00:09:55.720 exclusive breaking news that the Biden administration is about to announce that the Russians intend to

00:10:01.560 interfere in our election once again in 2024. Yeah. So, but what I want to say is the biggest and worst

00:10:09.120 and most egregious interference in the 2020 election was when the Biden administration pressured big tech,

00:10:15.340 including Facebook and Twitter to censor reporting. Not that was questionable, but that turned out to be

00:10:21.780 true about Joe Biden and how his family was exploiting their name for profit in China and Ukraine by having

00:10:28.700 the intelligence community, which isn't allowed to interfere in our domestic politics, lie and call

00:10:33.560 that Russian disinformation. And based on that lie, there was mass censorship of a major story two or

00:10:40.300 three weeks before a very close election. I don't think we've really come to grips with how significant

00:10:45.520 that story is because it presaged this notion that that is the real interference on the part of our U.S.

00:10:52.340 security state and our government to censor and control the Internet, much like we're seeing in

00:10:56.940 Brazil. And Zuckerberg mentioned the pressure he was receiving over at Facebook from the government

00:11:02.760 to suppress the Hunter Biden laptop, saying it's one of the things he regrets doing. You still have

00:11:08.760 some publications holding on to the fact to the to the lie that this could be Russian disinformation.

00:11:14.520 Those 51 intelligence analysts are still holding on to, well, you never know. It's been verified.

00:11:20.700 They can't admit their mistakes, but it's somewhat promising that you've got somebody like Zuckerberg

00:11:26.360 saying, I see now I see what they did and I see that I took the knee too fast. And you've got Elon

00:11:32.580 standing up like these social media companies maybe are finding their spines. Kamala Harris has a long

00:11:40.800 history of wanting to censor the Internet, people on the Internet who she finds objectionable, even people

00:11:46.700 who happen to be president of the United States. Here she was back in October of 19 when Donald Trump

00:11:54.400 was in the White House and she was mad about his so-called perfect phone call that led to his first

00:12:02.140 impeachment. Listen to her. I know you wrote to Twitter and the CEO, Jack Dorsey, and asked him

00:12:09.020 to take away the president's Twitter handle, his account. How is that not a violation of free

00:12:17.120 speech? How would that not just be a slippery slope where they have to ban, you know, half of the people

00:12:22.360 on Twitter?

00:12:25.400 I've heard that argument, but here's the thing, Jake. First of all, a corporation, which is what Twitter

00:12:31.760 is, does not have the has obligations. And in this case, Twitter has terms of use policy

00:12:39.760 and their terms of use dictate who receives the privilege of speaking on that platform and who

00:12:47.160 does not. And Donald Trump has clearly violated the terms of use and there should be a consequence

00:12:52.660 for that. I mean, think about that, trying to get the president United States banned from expressing

00:12:59.260 his views on one of the biggest public platforms we have, because she thinks this is an outside

00:13:05.520 person at that point that he's violated the terms of use. Well, Megan, when she ran for president and

00:13:13.880 it was about six seconds because her campaign was such a failure in 2019 for the Democratic nomination,

00:13:19.280 she made as one of her central planks a demand that Donald Trump be banned from the Internet. I

00:13:23.720 remember very well she was on a stage with people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren,

00:13:27.500 and she said, Senator Warren, I challenge you to support my argument that Donald Trump should be

00:13:33.780 banned from the Internet. And even Elizabeth Warren was like, I don't know, that seems kind of radical

00:13:38.840 to ban the United States. And remember, they they did ban him. Twitter, Facebook, Google all got

00:13:47.160 together after January 6th, and they forcibly banned the sitting president of the United States

00:13:52.140 to the point that even the Western European countries who hated Trump said, this is alarming.

00:13:58.180 This is scary. This should not be happening. Much of the world reacted that way. And I think it I think

00:14:03.820 what you know, it's sort of the thing where we're all inculcated from birth to believe that the United

00:14:07.740 States is the home of freedom, that one of the things that distinguishes us is free speech. But if you start

00:14:12.900 gradually eroding that one incident after the next after the next, you can get very, very far to a sort of

00:14:19.780 authoritarian or tyrannical situation without really realizing that you're there. When you have people

00:14:26.240 talking about banning, obviously, they wanted to put their political opponent in prison. They wanted

00:14:30.900 to ban him from the ballot. But the first step was let's ban him from the Internet. Remember, these are

00:14:36.280 the people saying, if you don't vote for us, democracy will die. And yet every single thing that is the

00:14:41.480 hallmark of tyranny in other countries with their political opponents is everything they've been trying

00:14:45.440 to do. And in 2019, Kamala Harris led the way on that. That was how she tried to distinguish

00:14:50.080 her political campaign and gain support among Democrats. Absolutely right. And here's that

00:14:56.160 moment that you just referenced from that debate back in 2019. Watch. Here we have Donald Trump,

00:15:02.900 who has 65 million Twitter followers and is using that platform as the president of the United States

00:15:09.860 to openly intimidate witnesses, to threaten witnesses, to obstruct justice. And he and his

00:15:17.720 account should be taken down. We saw in El Paso that that shooter in his manifesto was informed by how

00:15:25.120 Donald Trump uses that platform. And this is a matter of corporate responsibility. Twitter should be held

00:15:30.720 accountable and shut down that site. It is a matter of safety and corporate accountability.

00:15:35.300 So, look, I don't just want to push Donald Trump off Twitter. I want to push him out of the White

00:15:40.480 House. That's our job. But the way- Join me in saying that his Twitter account should be shut down.

00:15:46.220 Let's figure out- No.

00:15:48.160 Why it is that we have had laws on the book.

00:15:53.920 She's like, okay, crazy lady from California. Even I'm not that nuts over here in Massachusetts.

00:15:58.680 Yeah. You know, this is incredibly alarming. If you look at polling data, Megan, and you ask

00:16:08.000 Americans, do you support either having big tech censor the internet in the name of disinformation

00:16:13.660 or the US government censor the internet in the name of disinformation? 75% to 80% of Democrats want

00:16:22.500 not just big tech, but the government to regulate and censor the internet in the name of stopping

00:16:28.280 disinformation, which is what George Orwell warned about. The idea that the government becomes the

00:16:32.760 minister of truth, no longer allows free debate because they say this is truth. This is false.

00:16:38.240 That's the basis of Brazil. Oh, Elon Musk is allowing opinions that are false and therefore

00:16:43.580 that's fake news and illegal. One of the things Zuckerberg said about COVID was that so much of what he

00:16:49.560 was being pressured by the US government, by the Biden administration to censor about COVID,

00:16:54.260 not only was entirely debatable, meaning they wanted him to censor things like it came from a

00:17:00.540 lab leak. And he was saying, obviously, at the time, there was no proof one way or the other people

00:17:04.440 were debating it. They wanted to take down anything that might have come from the lab leak. But he said,

00:17:09.060 also, they ended up demanding we censor things that turned out to be true about the efficacy of masks,

00:17:14.760 the dangers of vaccines, the absurdity of social distancing. So it would be one thing if the

00:17:20.820 government were saying, we only want to censor things that are demonstrably false. That would

00:17:24.660 still be bad enough. That's what Orwell warned about. But the censorship push is to censor things

00:17:29.380 that are true or that are debatable. They really do want an internet that is dissent free, just like so

00:17:36.140 much of their media is dissent free. And what is more alarming than trying to turn the United States or

00:17:41.140 any democracy into a system of closed information? What's crazy is a couple of the points you just

00:17:48.220 mentioned are in the news today and on my agenda to go over with you. But that's why this story about,

00:17:55.040 you know, kicking it off with what's happening with Brazil and X, and then Kamala's position on

00:17:59.200 censorship is so important. It ties into so much of what's already happening in the United States.

00:18:05.380 So, um, the Russia thing, right? Like there's danger out there and therefore we must censor whether

00:18:13.940 it's the Hunter Biden laptop, which was censored wrongly, or, you know, these evil forces who are

00:18:19.100 trying to interfere with our election just Monday. This is in the news this week. The DNC called the

00:18:28.500 Democratic, well, the green party presidential nominee, a useful idiot for Russia, citing Jill

00:18:36.200 Stein's upcoming event in Tampa, in which she is expected to lend her support to three members of

00:18:41.980 a black leftist group federally charged for allegedly acting as maligned foreign agents of Putin's

00:18:48.020 government. The quoting here from the bulwark dart, uh, dot com. So they almost, they ignored this

00:18:53.160 person for the better part of a year, Jill Stein. But now that she's doing this thing,

00:18:57.680 they're coming out, calling her a useful idiot for Russia. This is basically her own party.

00:19:02.280 And this is what they did to Tulsi Gabbard too. When she became a threat to their chosen nominee,

00:19:09.360 she had to be dismissed as a Russian asset, not to mention what they did to Donald Trump. This is

00:19:16.340 their favorite trick and the Jill Stein thing. And what we're about to talk about with respect to this

00:19:22.680 CNN report. It's just, this is their go-to bag of tricks, Glenn, that it's all the Russians,

00:19:29.600 anybody who gets under their skin or potentially takes away 1% of the vote in a critical swing state

00:19:33.920 is a Russian and any problems of the Democrats own make making that's a Russian as a disinformation

00:19:40.600 campaign. Yeah. So let me just mention really quickly, this case of the black socialists who are

00:19:46.600 being now federally prosecuted because I covered it a lot. Tucker had put them on his show quite a bit

00:19:52.780 as well. Obviously a lot of people's audiences would disagree with a lot of these people's views,

00:19:57.560 but these are like 70 and 80 year old guys who are like old standard leftists who are spent their

00:20:04.560 whole life opposing what they call NATO imperialism, US militarism. And of course it follows that they are

00:20:11.320 against US funding of the war in Ukraine. That's consistent with their lifelong beliefs. But

00:20:16.700 because the tactic of the democratic party now is to accuse all of their enemies, not just on the

00:20:21.800 right, but as you see with Jill Stein or anybody who threatens their power, they just accuse everybody

00:20:26.780 of being an agent of the Kremlin. They prosecuted these people because they were speaking out against

00:20:32.300 the war in Ukraine. And they had these very tenuous connections to a couple of peace activists in

00:20:37.500 Russia. And it's so obviously an attempt to stifle free speech by saying that even if you speak out

00:20:42.940 against our war, which is as foundational to the United States as possible, your right to oppose the

00:20:49.020 government's war policy, we can now prosecute you. And it was AOC who led the charge against Jill

00:20:55.140 Stein because they're obviously petrified. She's going to take away democratic votes. And I've seen this

00:20:59.920 now, Megan, for eight years. Our country from 2016 until 2018 was drowned as the main story in this

00:21:08.260 false allegation that Trump conspired with the Russians to hack into the DNC. They unleashed Robert

00:21:13.440 Mueller, Superman, prosecutor, FBI director with a team of unlimited resources and prosecutors. And at the

00:21:21.340 end of that investigation, he concluded there was no evidence to support the core central conspiracy

00:21:27.700 theory that the media gave themselves Pulitzers for ratifying, that the two had collaborated,

00:21:33.380 and the media just moved on as if nothing had ever happened. And then in 2020, as you mentioned,

00:21:38.200 the same thing. Megan, there's not one media outlet that in 2020 put people on the air to say the

00:21:44.340 Hunter Biden laptop is fake, it's Russian disinformation. Every media outlet, once Biden was

00:21:49.780 safely elected, not only admitted it was real, but began using it in their reporting. The FBI used it to

00:21:55.240 prosecute Hunter Biden. Everyone knows it's real. Not one media outlet came forward and said,

00:22:00.520 we got this wrong. Here's why we got this wrong. Because they're not in the business of telling

00:22:05.780 truth. They will say what they need to say based on whatever their DNC or CIA or FBI sources are telling

00:22:12.860 them to say in order to sabotage Trump. And that is the truth. Even those 51 so-called intelligence

00:22:18.840 agents, the FBI agents took the stand and under oath in the Hunter Biden trial, testified that the

00:22:27.940 laptop had been verified. Where was Leslie Stahl of 60 Minutes? It can't be verified. It can't be

00:22:34.540 verified. Where was she saying, I am very sorry. Actually, I was wrong. And I was wrong at a crucial

00:22:40.580 time in advance of that election. She's in the same bunker that Judy Woodruff of PBS is in right now,

00:22:47.020 trying to avoid coverage of the fact that they got caught, I'll be charitable, making massively

00:22:54.920 consequential mistakes on the air and failing to own up to them. So just to put some meat on the

00:23:02.380 bones of the DNC versus Jill Stein attack, because Stein, while nobody's talking about her, she does have

00:23:08.800 something approaching 1% in a couple of these swing states. And the Democrats fervently believe

00:23:16.020 that she played a role in costing Hillary the election in 2016. So the DNC releases this statement

00:23:22.000 that reads it in part, quote, as follows. Jill Stein is a useful idiot for Russia. After parroting

00:23:28.620 Kremlin talking points and being propped up by bad actors in 2016, she's at it again. This is from the

00:23:34.560 DNC spokesman, Matt Corradone. Quote, Jill Stein, in a statement to the Bulwark, Jill Stein won't become

00:23:41.740 president, but her spoiler candidacy that both the GOP and Putin have previously shown interest in

00:23:48.160 can help decide who wins. A vote for Stein is a vote for Trump. So this is them going, I mean,

00:23:55.600 truly balls to the wall against this woman, the DNC, because they will kill any Democrat actor who

00:24:03.760 deigns to get in the way of their chosen nominees. Clear path. Ask Bernie Sanders, ask Dean Phillips,

00:24:13.940 ask, um, Tulsi Gabbard, ask RFKJ and ask Jill Stein. This is the key, the party of democracy. Glenn.

00:24:25.460 I think one of the things that reflects about the democratic party is that they have this arrogant

00:24:29.740 entitlement that they believe all of these voters are theirs. They also still blame Ralph Nader for

00:24:36.620 George W. Bush's victory in 2000 over Al Gore. And the reason, and all these voters for Nader and

00:24:42.560 Stein will tell you until they're blue in the face that even if Jill Stein or Ralph Nader weren't

00:24:48.460 running, I still wouldn't vote for the democratic party. I know it's a newsflash, but there are a lot

00:24:53.040 of people in the United States who really don't believe in our two party system. Most democracies have

00:24:57.380 a multi-party system. And Jill Stein is an outlet for a lot of people on the left who think that

00:25:02.640 the democratic party is not worth voting for, for all sorts of reasons. And they think if they get

00:25:07.360 rid of Jill Stein, those people will loyally march behind them. And I, and also I think the other

00:25:13.180 important thing to realize here, Megan, is that in 2016, the DNC cheated to make sure that Hillary beat

00:25:19.720 Bernie. That came from Elizabeth Warren and Donna Brazile. This is hardly speculation or a conspiracy

00:25:25.620 theory. Yeah. I mean, the WikiLeaks releases prove that the top five DNC officials, including

00:25:31.220 W. Wasserman Schultz, had to resign right before the DNC because they got caught red-handed doing

00:25:36.140 it. In 2020, Obama drove everybody out of the race, Pete Buttigieg, Demi Klobuchar, to make sure

00:25:42.140 Joe Biden won. And then this year, not only did they say that they would not allow a primary or any

00:25:48.200 debates, even though you had RFK Jr. and Marianne Williamson and Dean Phillips wanting to run against

00:25:52.680 Joe Biden. Once they saw that Joe Biden was going to lose because of the polls after the debate,

00:25:57.840 they said in a back room, let's just get rid of him and impose on the party in the country,

00:26:02.780 a candidate who never once campaigned to be president, who never got one single vote.

00:26:08.740 The anti-democratic entitled mentality in the Democratic Party is impossible to oversee.

00:26:13.920 Yes. We just pulled, I don't have the soundbite, but what they did to Tulsi. And here's the quote.

00:26:23.640 I don't know what article I'm quoting from. My team will tell me in a second. Former Democratic

00:26:27.320 presidential nominee Hillary Clinton said the Russians are currently grooming, that's a quote,

00:26:32.380 a Democrat running in the presidential primaries. This was the 2020 primary back in 19.

00:26:39.120 Grooming. The Russians are grooming a Democrat running in the presidential primary to run as a

00:26:43.080 third party candidate and champion their interests. The comment appears to be directed at Hawaii

00:26:47.740 representative Tulsi Gabbard. She's been accused of being cozy with Russia in the past. Just being

00:26:54.560 accused reference warrants it being raised again, right? You remember that time you were accused,

00:27:01.200 random person of being a pedophile, and we'll just keep raising it in every article about you as

00:27:05.800 though it was actually proven. I'm not making any predictions. This is quoting Hillary Clinton,

00:27:10.160 but I think they've got their eye on somebody who is currently in the Democratic primary and are

00:27:17.080 grooming her to be the third party candidate. Clinton said, speaking on a podcast with former Obama

00:27:22.820 advisor David Plouffe. She's the favorite of the Russians. This is how it's done.

00:27:30.360 Now, first of all, let's just recall that that prediction was completely false. Not only didn't Tulsi run

00:27:36.220 as a third party, she endorsed Joe Biden in the 2020 election. Kind of a weird thing to do if you're

00:27:41.500 a Russian asset. But beyond that, you know, I know Tulsi reasonably well. Look at it from her

00:27:45.980 perspective, Megan. She has been in the military since 2002. She deployed in combat in Iraq. She

00:27:52.280 continues to be in the Army Reserves, sacrificing to defend her country. And here she is being accused

00:27:58.520 by the Clintons, who famously avoided any military service, including in Vietnam, for all sorts of

00:28:04.180 strange reasons, who never once did anything to benefit anyone but themselves, questioning her

00:28:09.560 patriotism and her loyalty simply because she was a critic of the Democratic Party. This is what they

00:28:16.680 do now. When you start accusing somebody of being a secret agent of the Russian government,

00:28:21.400 working on behalf of the Kremlin, of course, what you're saying is you're not just against us,

00:28:26.640 you are a disloyal American. And just like I was telling you before about Brazil, where they think

00:28:31.300 that any criticism of the government is tantamount to a criticism of Brazilian democracy itself and

00:28:37.080 therefore a crime, the Democrats believe that any opposition to themselves, any questioning of them,

00:28:42.860 even from somebody who four years before was the vice chair of the Democratic National Committee,

00:28:48.300 Tulsi Gabbard, that the minute you criticize them or don't fall into line, it means not just that you're

00:28:53.960 a bad person, but that you're actually disloyal. And somebody who can be called with no evidence,

00:28:58.920 a foreign agent of an adversarial power, it is remarkable how quickly and pervasively this tactic

00:29:06.880 has spread, not just among the party, but among all their media allies as well.

00:29:11.340 Okay, there was another piece of information on Tulsi just recently. This is reading from the Daily

00:29:18.060 Mail. It was that she's on a government watch list and connection with all this nonsense. She's been

00:29:26.940 labeled a, quote, domestic terrorist, according to a whistleblower watchdog who's demanded an

00:29:33.640 investigation into government surveillance on this. Okay, Empower Oversight said the U.S. Federal

00:29:40.220 Marshal Service was improperly targeting individuals for enhanced surveillance on flights and named victims,

00:29:46.340 including the former presidential candidate. And so this is the allegation is that she has been

00:29:53.180 placed under surveillance at airports and on planes per these whistleblowers who spoke to,

00:29:59.300 this is Daily Mail UK, the Air Marshal National Council, saying her name appears on the Quiet Skies

00:30:07.220 program. Under the program, federal air marshals follow U.S. citizens who pose an elevated risk to

00:30:14.640 aviation security through airports and on flights. As a result, there are at least five agents stalking

00:30:21.940 her on every flight she takes. This is incredible. This has not been independently verified by us,

00:30:27.680 but I remembered the report as we got talking about Tulsi. And frankly, it's not hard to believe,

00:30:32.620 given the amount of crap they've thrown at this woman. And what is her sin? What did she do?

00:30:38.400 She did not go along with the party line. She was being groomed to be part of Democrat leadership.

00:30:44.420 She told us that herself. And then she objected to them trying to railroad Hillary Clinton down our

00:30:51.480 throats and what was being done to Bernie Sanders behind the scenes.

00:30:56.780 Right. And she had become a critic of things like the Obama administration's attempt to do regime change

00:31:01.720 in Libya and Syria, because as a member of the military, she actually understands we should only deploy

00:31:06.260 our military, especially having seen Iraq when there's a direct threat to our homeland. So she

00:31:10.280 began to be kind of a dissident about Obama administration policies and then certainly just

00:31:16.440 didn't fall into line in 2016. She supported Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton. I can't confirm this

00:31:22.620 story. What I can tell you, Megan, is having done the Snowden reporting in 2013, 2014, 2015, I saw so many

00:31:29.580 instances of the part of the U.S. security state, the NSA, the CIA, that from the beginning was

00:31:35.860 banned from targeting American citizens in any way who put people on watch lists for making films,

00:31:43.040 writing books for all sorts of things that they regard as subversive in some way. In fact,

00:31:48.260 the journalist with whom I most closely worked in the Snowden story, who won the Oscar for the film

00:31:52.040 she made, Laura Poitras, was on a watch list ever since she filmed, made a film about the Iraq war in

00:31:57.460 2005. Every time she crossed a border into the United States, where of course she's a citizen,

00:32:02.120 she was detained for hours. They would take her film footage. They would question her about with

00:32:06.940 whom she spoke. This is a very real thing. And after September, after January 6th, you had people

00:32:13.940 like Bernie Thompson, the head of the January 6th commission say anybody who was at the Capitol on

00:32:19.640 January 6th should be put on a no-fly list, not without being convicted of a crime with no proof that

00:32:26.460 they, Benny Thompson, exactly, not with any proof that they are guilty, even without any proof that

00:32:32.840 they're a threat to a plane, just as this kind of punishment that the state now pulls out, that

00:32:40.200 they put you under the watch and take away your liberty of the U.S. security state. It's an incredibly

00:32:45.900 dangerous thing for that part of our government that's unaccountable, permanent, operates in secrecy

00:32:51.500 to have so much influence in our domestic politics. Even that instance of the DNC cheating to help

00:32:58.420 Hillary back in 2016 is still that they, if you talk to any Democrat or any journalist, they'll say

00:33:04.940 the headline is the Russians interfered. The Russians through WikiLeaks, you know, released those emails.

00:33:10.700 That's the issue. It's not that we cheated in a presidential debate. And of course, I've made this

00:33:16.500 point before, but I can't get over it. That's why I keep mentioning it. Donna Brazil cheated and she

00:33:23.680 then got hired by Fox News and now is at ABC News. No one cares that she cheated in a presidential

00:33:33.960 debate. She was on my show on Fox News right after this came out. And did she come clean and own up to

00:33:42.760 what we all had seen in the WikiLeaks release? Here's the moment.

00:33:48.440 You were accused of receiving a debate question before a CNN town hall. You had this question on

00:33:54.180 March 12th that verbatim, verbatim was provided by Roland Martin to CNN the next day. How did you get

00:34:04.100 that question, Donna? Well, Kelly, since I play straight up and I'll play straight up with you,

00:34:09.220 uh, I did not receive any questions from CNN. The WikiLeaks released a March 12th Podesta email

00:34:16.960 showing you messaging the Clinton campaign with the exact wording of a question asked at the March

00:34:22.780 13th CNN TV1 town hall debate. Where did you get it? You know, as a Christian woman, I understand

00:34:29.520 persecution, but I will not sit here and be persecuted because your information is totally

00:34:33.520 false. What you're, what you're telling the American people, what, what you're, what, what

00:34:38.200 you're, well, Podesta's emails were stolen. You're so interested in talking about stolen.

00:34:43.080 So you deny it. You're like, you're like a thief that want to bring into the night the things that

00:34:47.720 you found that was in the gutter. When you said stuff from time to time, I get the questions in

00:34:51.680 advance. What were you referring to? A lot of those emails, I would not give them a time of the day.

00:34:56.400 Classic Glenn. Yeah. I think she thought your name was Kelly or maybe calling you Kelly was

00:35:05.320 her way of being a little disrespectful, but anyway, the, this is what happens all the time.

00:35:10.200 I mean, as you know, Megan, some of the most important journalism comes from sources who aren't

00:35:15.120 necessarily the most noble people, but they're still providing accurate information, which is what

00:35:20.740 happened in the Pentagon papers and the Snowden reporting with the WikiLeaks releases. Nobody denied the

00:35:26.080 authenticity of those emails. And so what you were essentially saying was it's in the emails that

00:35:32.200 you received the question ahead of time as part of CNN and passed it to the Clinton campaign,

00:35:36.540 but not the Sanders campaign. And she was saying, I wouldn't give those emails the time of day.

00:35:41.280 Of course not because they show serious wrongdoing on our part, but the more important point is the

00:35:46.000 one you made. It's the same as the people who lied in the 2020 election about the Hunter Biden laptop

00:35:50.900 being Russian disinformation. There's no accountability for these people. In fact,

00:35:56.660 their careers thrive the more they lie on behalf of the democratic party. That is, and it shows you

00:36:02.740 what the mission of the actual media of a great part of the media is, which is obviously if it were

00:36:07.940 journalistic and you told a liar, got caught doing something unethical, your career would be impeded,

00:36:13.100 if not destroyed in a healthy, normal world of journalism. In our world of journalism,

00:36:18.220 if you're lying for the right reasons, you shoot up that ladder and get rewarded and promoted. And

00:36:25.180 that's what everyone knows is the incentive scheme. That answer is a classic collection of lies.

00:36:32.840 Phil Houston, spy the lie, CIA 25 years, invented the detection, deception detection program used all

00:36:39.340 over the country and the world to spot liars. We'll tell you, one of the things that a liar does

00:36:45.040 is often they invoke religion. You heard her there. I'm a Christian woman and I guess you're

00:36:50.700 persecuting, right? Uh, they will attack the question. You heard her do that there and they

00:36:56.060 will engage in convincing behavior. She did it all, all of it. What does a truth teller sound like?

00:37:02.520 No, I did not give Hillary Clinton the question. That email is wrong. I don't know what he's referring

00:37:08.260 to. That's it. They don't feel the need to convince you of anything. The truth is their ally. They don't

00:37:15.180 have to bring God into it. They don't have to attack the question or the questioner. They just run to

00:37:21.880 the simple, clean truth. She's a liar and she's a paid liar at ABC news right now. The, the network,

00:37:29.640 not for nothing that is hosting probably the one and only presidential debate in this contest on

00:37:35.460 September 10th. Let's hope she doesn't get access to the questions, Glenn.

00:37:41.220 Well, also, and just along those lines, um, all the people, first of all, Donna Brazil in her book

00:37:46.920 was one of the people who said that the DNC rigged the election in favor of Hillary Clinton. One of the

00:37:52.240 only truthful things she's ever said about her role in the democratic party. But the other thing about

00:37:57.160 it is Megan, this is what innate, this is why I keep going back to this is such a crucial issue.

00:38:01.640 When the Hunter Biden, uh, reporting began and it wasn't about Hunter Biden's private life. It was

00:38:06.980 about Joe Biden's profiteering off his influence in various countries. Whenever anyone asked about it,

00:38:13.700 a media reporter, even when Donald Trump raised it in the 2020 debate, he did exactly what Donna

00:38:21.080 Brazil just did, which was say, Oh, these emails were stolen by Russia. This is all fake and never had

00:38:27.800 to account for why it is that his name was appearing in deals in China and Ukraine to receive profit

00:38:33.920 based on all of his massive influence. That's exactly what the point of that lie was, was to say,

00:38:40.220 you don't have to pay attention to the substance of this reporting and what it reveals about Joe

00:38:43.860 Biden and his ethics, because all you have to know is that this came from Russia and therefore not

00:38:48.800 only should you ignore it, it's further proof that's why you shouldn't vote for Donald Trump because

00:38:53.360 he's using Russia or Russia is using him to shine light on who Joe Biden really is.

00:39:00.680 And now we get to the CNN and MSNBC reporting today, which is that I'll give you the CNN headline

00:39:08.180 exclusive though. Not sure if that's true. Um, Biden administration to accuse Russia of sustained

00:39:16.300 effort to influence the 2024 election. The report says that the Biden administration today will

00:39:24.380 accuse Russia of trying to influence this election right now by using Kremlin run media and other

00:39:30.760 online platforms to target us voters with disinformation, citing six sources familiar with

00:39:38.340 the matter. They say the U S will make a series of moves today aimed at addressing the Kremlin's efforts,

00:39:43.420 including the white house publicly condemning the actions and justice announcing law enforcement

00:39:48.800 action, targeting the covert Russian campaign. RT, the Russian state media network is a major focus

00:39:55.380 of the U S announcement. They go on to say the actions would be the Biden administration's most

00:40:01.020 significant public response yet to alleged Russian influence operations, targeting American voters.

00:40:07.840 Um, a reminder that U S officials continue to see Russia as a prominent foreign influence threat

00:40:15.080 to November's election today. Merrick Garland is going to meet with senior law enforcement leaders,

00:40:20.000 including FBI director, Christopher Wray about this. And I go, I'm reading and reading and reading.

00:40:25.460 I don't know how many paragraphs in my, in I am before I get to, let's see one of these last,

00:40:32.120 okay. One of the last paragraphs of the piece, Glenn, which reads again on CNN, but any foreigner

00:40:38.240 domestic attempts to sow discord during the U S election and shape voters opinions. Don't change

00:40:42.160 the fact that the voting process is very difficult to tamper with and protected by layers of defenses.

00:40:47.860 They go on from there. What do you make of what they're doing now? I think everybody knows what

00:40:52.400 to make of it. Given the discussion we just had over the past 33 minutes.

00:40:56.660 I was just laughing because Jim Acosta went onto Twitter and he had this big cap,

00:41:00.520 this big capital letter breaking exclusive. The Biden administration set to accuse Russia of

00:41:06.460 interfering in the election as though no one could have predicted that coming. Only Jim Acosta was

00:41:10.840 the one who got that information. You wind up a Democrat and they accuse everybody of being a

00:41:15.780 Russian agent. There was a interview with Nancy Pelosi at the, at the beginning of January, where

00:41:19.900 there were pro-Palestinian protesters outside of her house. And she said, I think these are sent by

00:41:25.320 Vladimir Putin by the Kremlin. Now ignore whatever you think of pro-Palestinian protesters.

00:41:29.520 The idea that young college students are protesting a war because somehow the Kremlin

00:41:34.280 engineered that is, is like a form of psychosis, but this is what they do. But the other really

00:41:39.540 interesting part of this, Megan, is that there is also evidence that the CIA, that the intelligence

00:41:45.380 community has affirmed that both China and Iran are also both trying to interfere in the election.

00:41:51.340 And in part it's because, I hope this isn't shocking, but all great powers, including the

00:41:56.100 United States, try and interfere in each other's domestic politics. But if you look at, the reason

00:42:01.700 they're highlighting Russia is because it's already in the public mind that Russia wants to help Trump.

00:42:06.500 But what about Iran and China? Iran looks at the Democrats and the Republicans and see that it was

00:42:12.080 Trump that terminated the Iran deal. And the Democrats want to reenter it. Who do you think they would

00:42:18.500 favor in the 2024 election? Obviously, the Democrats who want better relations. You look

00:42:23.320 at the Chinese and they see Trump as having instigated this kind of trade war, imposing

00:42:28.020 massive tariffs on China. And then they see the Democratic Party completely in bed with a lot of

00:42:33.340 the funding that comes from China. But that's not useful to the media narrative because both of

00:42:37.900 those countries, if really given a preference, would probably want the Democrats to win. If I were

00:42:43.360 China and Iran, I know I would. But the bigger issue is that in the context of the billions of

00:42:49.760 dollars that are spent on our election, of the endless amounts of American media propaganda that

00:42:55.520 emanates from every pore of the American media, of all the information that American gets, these

00:43:00.480 quote, interference campaigns, a few fake pages on Facebook, a few bots on Twitter, in comparison to

00:43:07.920 everything else, have a trivial, minuscule, barely measurable effect on anything. It's all about the

00:43:14.180 narrative, though, that if you vote for Trump, you're essentially voting for the candidate that

00:43:18.540 Vladimir Putin wants to win. And also setting the stage for someone to blame if she loses other than

00:43:27.140 themselves. Here's just a bit of the media coverage today in response to this reporting and

00:43:33.860 the reporters. They know what to do. Watch. The Biden administration is expected to accuse Russia

00:43:40.780 of a sustained effort to influence the 2024 elections. Sources now telling us exclusively

00:43:47.580 that the Biden administration is set to accuse publicly, accuse publicly Russia of extensive and

00:43:54.000 prolonged interference in the 2024 election. The Biden administration taking a series of actions

00:44:00.780 to target what they allege are attempts by Russian-backed actors to manipulate public opinion

00:44:06.660 here in the U.S. ahead of the presidential election. This is an effort by the administration

00:44:12.200 to get ahead of what the Russians are allegedly doing ahead of this 2024 election. The tools that

00:44:19.800 they are using to do so are Kremlin-run media and online platforms. We know that RT, which is one of the

00:44:26.340 Russian state-run media TV outlets, is going to be a focus of the announcement today.

00:44:32.060 This is being described by our sources as a whole-of-government action designed to target

00:44:37.040 Russian propaganda and disinformation aimed at interfering in the 2024 election. It is said

00:44:43.780 to include sanctions by the Treasury Department, law enforcement action by the Justice Department.

00:44:48.420 Okay. I don't do drugs, but I can only imagine that this is what it's like. Like, it's the same thing

00:44:57.260 as a heroin addict shooting heroin into his arm. That's what those guys are like when they hear,

00:45:01.840 Russia. It's, you can see the euphoria wave over them, Glenn. They can't get to their cameras fast

00:45:09.260 enough. Oh yeah, the glee pours out of their pores. I mean, first of all, they're blaming RT.

00:45:16.420 Do you know anyone who watches RT? It's almost impossible to find RT, even if you wanted to.

00:45:22.540 In fact, the EU made it illegal at the start of the war in Ukraine, even to platform RT. The reason

00:45:27.860 a platform like Rumble is unavailable in France is because they refuse to remove RT, but RT is out

00:45:33.580 of Google. It's not on any cable channels. What is RT going to do to influence the election? But I think

00:45:40.140 there's something more sinister here, Megan, which is if you look at how the Europeans have justified

00:45:45.200 censoring the internet and how the United States also is starting to censor the internet,

00:45:50.220 one of the main pretexts they use is that there are foreign countries trying to interfere in our

00:45:55.560 discourse. And we have to make sure that we're constantly monitoring the internet and have the

00:46:00.000 ability to stop it. And I think not only is it helpful politically to the Democrats in 2024,

00:46:05.960 and again, why aren't Iran and China being promoted equally with Russia in terms of their story? The

00:46:10.700 reason is obvious. But also, you always need a pretext of censorship. Every crises or perceived

00:46:17.220 crisis over the last eight years has been used to justify censorship. Russia gate, January 6,

00:46:22.880 COVID, the war in Ukraine, on and on and on. Every single time there's some threat or perceived threat,

00:46:29.360 the governments use that to say, this is why we need to protect you by censoring the internet. And

00:46:34.620 that's absolutely a major part of the motivation here. That is so interesting. That makes actually

00:46:40.620 perfect sense. Because going back to our earlier discussion, when did the Hunter Biden laptop story

00:46:46.540 come out? It was October of 2020 and right before the election. And they used that setup, their obsession

00:46:54.540 with Russia to dismiss something that clearly wasn't Russian disinformation and that the FBI knew that

00:47:04.620 was legit at the time. They had known for a year, and yet they let all these former intelligence

00:47:11.100 agents come out. And those agents knew too, that it was legit and that it wasn't just. So they had set

00:47:17.440 the table. And then when they needed it to tamp down this quote, October surprise, they used it. And

00:47:24.580 back to Mark Zuckerberg and others, they went along with it. The Jack Dorsey version of Twitter

00:47:30.580 went along with it, suppressing the story, which polls show when voters are asked actually might

00:47:37.240 have made the difference for Trump in that election. But Democrats refuse to acknowledge any of that.

00:47:46.460 I mean, at the time, I remember what Twitter did was brute force block any attempt to link to the New

00:47:55.620 York Post to discuss the New York Post article. If you tried to use the link, it would say this link

00:47:59.960 is prohibited on Twitter. They barred and censored any attempt to use it. Facebook sent out a person

00:48:06.060 named Andy Stone, who has spent his whole career as a Democratic operative, worked for Pelosi, Barbara

00:48:10.840 Boxer, the DCCC. He now works at Facebook. And he said in this very snide way, I won't even

00:48:16.600 dignify this story in the New York Post. But what we will say is Facebook is now suppressing the

00:48:22.220 stories. You cannot spread it on Facebook pending a third party fact checking review that, by the way,

00:48:28.640 never came. And you know why? Because the story was true all along. And that's what the fact

00:48:33.380 checking would have shown. That to me was one of the most alarming escalations of because it wasn't

00:48:38.700 just about a standard debate. It was an attempt by the government, by the CIA, which is where these

00:48:43.860 51 intelligence agents, of course, come from. You never leave the intelligence community, even if you

00:48:47.620 now work at a consultancy. Of course, you're tied in. Pressuring big tech successfully and the media,

00:48:53.940 not just to lie about the story or to underplay the story, but to censor it to prevent potentially

00:49:00.360 millions, but certainly hundreds of thousands of Americans from even knowing about it or seeing it

00:49:05.620 in an election that ended up being decided by about 70,000 votes in three states. That level of

00:49:11.840 pre-election censorship, based on a complete lie that came from the intelligence community,

00:49:17.040 ratified by the corporate media, and ultimately censored by big tech, is why I continue to say

00:49:22.680 that I think that story, though it's been discussed a lot, is still not appreciated in terms of how

00:49:27.560 menacing it actually was.

00:49:30.100 Mm-hmm. And then remember PBS came out, no, it was NPR came out saying,

00:49:35.880 we're not going to share this story. We stick to actual news and facts, and that's what our audience

00:49:42.600 is interested in. We don't talk about stories that they have no interest in,

00:49:45.880 like, this false disinformation. Again, like, they get our public money, and that's, I guess,

00:49:51.020 just fine, and we're supposed to just go along with that. But I think, I confess, Glenn, I had not

00:49:56.400 even considered that this push is setting the stage for censorship between now and the beginning of

00:50:04.160 November. That makes absolute sense, and it's terrifying. That's not their role. They're turning

00:50:08.680 into Brazil. All right, Glenn, stand by. There's a lot more to get to. You mentioned two other things in

00:50:13.720 your answer about sending their opponents to prison and about blaming a shooter's motivations as

00:50:20.460 espoused in a manifesto on the opposing party. Well, they're doing something else now. They're

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00:51:20.280 stands for America. Be awake, not woke. All right, we're going to do it now. On the subject of Russia,

00:51:30.760 Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia, guess who CNN just hired back? The hall monitor, Brian Stelter's going

00:51:40.700 back to CNN because CNN apparently looked at its dumpster fire ratings and thought to itself,

00:51:48.640 hmm, what would be the solution to this? I've got it. Mr. Potato Head. That's what people called him.

00:51:55.660 Mr. Potato Head. What movie is that from? Name that movie. Audience members, email me,

00:52:01.340 Megan at MeganKelley.com. Mr. Potato Head. Anyway, here is, I guess, why they look back

00:52:08.600 fondly and thought, we want, yeah, we want Brian Stelter for this critical period in American history.

00:52:15.400 Some of his greatest hits right here. Trump might have committed treason. You say the president is

00:52:20.180 using mind control. What does Putin have on Trump? The U.S. president possibly working for the

00:52:25.280 Russians. Is President Trump a racist? Is the Trump presidency a criminal presidency? There's

00:52:29.840 no way to tweet yourself out of impeachment. Impeachment. Impeachment. Impeachment. What I

00:52:35.940 hear on Fox is that the media is obsessed about impeachment. Impeachment. Impeachment. Impeachment.

00:52:39.920 Impeachment. Impeachment. Impeachment. Entire media companies essentially exist to tear down Joe

00:52:44.420 Biden. Dana Milbank, here's his column for The Post this weekend, and he says he has data to show that

00:52:49.560 the press has turned more negative against Biden than the press was against Trump. What do you think about that?

00:52:54.960 Trump and some of his allies are promoting a hate movement against the American press.

00:53:01.120 All right. So he's back, which I really see as a clear surrender by CNN to its year and a half long

00:53:10.180 mission of trying to convince us they had gone back to straight news, middle of the road reporting.

00:53:16.320 It was in the context of that goal that he was fired to begin with, Glenn.

00:53:19.580 Yeah. But before I say that, I just want to use this opportunity to recall one of the funniest

00:53:24.540 things ever to happen in media news, which was CNN decided that even though nobody was watching

00:53:30.380 their network, that it would be a good idea to create a CNN plus streaming service where people

00:53:35.020 were forced to pay to watch the very people that no one wanted to watch for free. And then it opened

00:53:40.500 and 21 days later, it closed and died because nobody had any interest in it. And that was the

00:53:46.700 Brian Stelter era. But what you said is so important, which is that one of the reasons CNN

00:53:51.560 has way even less viewership than MSNBC, let alone Fox, is because it's like an MSNBC light version.

00:54:00.100 It kind of pretends to be neutral, but everyone knows it's not. That's why even Stephen Colbert's

00:54:04.820 audience laughed at the idea that there was something objective about CNN. And as you say,

00:54:09.360 when executives decided, what can we do to save CNN to make people watch it again? Oh,

00:54:14.120 we have to get rid of the perception that it's a purely partisan network. And they had so many

00:54:18.740 people to choose from who are pure partisans. But even at CNN, Brian Stelter stood out as an

00:54:24.460 obsessive DNC anti-Trump hack. And that was why he ended up getting fired. And as you say,

00:54:30.560 I guess they figure, well, it doesn't really work that way either. So why not just bring him back?

00:54:36.940 And I think obviously part of it is to bring him back before the election as well, to let him

00:54:41.580 do his constant drumbeat of criticizing the media for somehow being insufficiently

00:54:48.520 pro-Kamala and anti-Trump.

00:54:52.020 This he's never been a journalist. He's never been a journalist. All he's been is a little critic,

00:54:57.860 a little armchair critic who wants to be taken seriously. And now you've got CNN's current CEO,

00:55:04.680 Mark Thompson from the New York times, who says, I'm very happy to welcome Brian back to CNN in this

00:55:10.120 new role. Brian is one of the best global experts in media commentary. He is Mark. Did you ever

00:55:18.220 actually watch Brian? Here's the thing. He probably did. But since he was at the New York times, he was

00:55:23.020 like, yes, nailed it again. You go guy. And when he got to CNN, he said, you know, we're missing

00:55:28.700 or missing that important objective voice of Brian Stelter. And now he's been brought back. And what he

00:55:35.140 says is I've changed a lot. I'm thrilled that I'm returning as the lead author of CNN's Reliable

00:55:44.500 Sources newsletter. The media industry has matured. CNN has evolved. I'm quoting here. And I have

00:55:52.200 changed a lot. I've changed my habits and tuned out for a bit. He says he moved to a farm. I've

00:56:00.880 changed my vantage point going from Manhattan to a horse farm near one of Donald Trump's golf clubs.

00:56:06.340 That makes you fair and balanced. You see, I can see his golf club from my house. I experienced the

00:56:11.440 news more like an everyday consumer. And in doing so, I learned a whole lot. I'm looking forward to

00:56:17.180 sharing what I learned with you. And so now we will see whether Brian Stelter is going to try to

00:56:23.840 convince us that he is now fair and open-minded and sees Donald Trump and his supporters as something

00:56:32.940 other than what he said for all those years, which was very different than what CNN wants to believe

00:56:41.260 it's saying right now. We're going to get the rural farming Brian Stelter. He's going to show up

00:56:47.140 like in a cowboy hat and he's going to give up his suit for something like corduroy jeans and plaid

00:56:51.800 shirts. Really excited to see that. I'm sure that's going to come up very authentically. The problem is

00:56:57.060 in all these life changes, these profound life changes that Brian Stelter made, one of the things

00:57:01.740 he forgot to do was to stop sitting on Twitter and commenting all day long. So if anyone can show me

00:57:10.760 a single change between anything Brian Stelter now thinks and anything he thought before, I would defy

00:57:17.460 anyone to do so. The thing that always amazes me, Megan, is that just to show you how much of an

00:57:23.180 alternative universe people in media are capable of living in, I promise you this really is true,

00:57:28.160 that when you look at what are called the top media critics, the self, and it's true, like where did

00:57:33.060 Brian Stelter ever get his credentials to talk about journalism? He's never reported on anything.

00:57:38.800 He's wrote little bitchy media essays and mostly it's to complain about Fox News, but their central

00:57:45.700 view, and it's, I know it's shocking for people to hear that it really, but I'm not, I'm not exaggerating.

00:57:51.340 Their real core belief is that the biggest failure of the media is that they don't do enough to show

00:57:58.320 people the evil of the Republican Party and the benevolence of the Democratic Party. They justify

00:58:03.400 it on the grounds that Democrats are so objectively better that the, if you want to be an objective

00:58:08.580 journalist, you have to go on the air every day and only focus on promoting the Democratic Party

00:58:13.400 and the Republican, and bashing the Republican Party, that Brian Stelter is one of the leaders of

00:58:18.200 that philosophy, a term I'll use very loosely, and there's nothing that's changed about it as

00:58:24.820 evidenced by his daily Twitter feed from his farm. I know that you were calling attention to,

00:58:32.140 I mean, it's so hard to pick, but one interview he did with Jen Psaki in his role, and of course she

00:58:40.600 was with the Biden White House before she went over to MSNBC, and I don't know, was this,

00:58:45.360 would you remember where this was in her, in her path, whether she was still at the White House,

00:58:50.580 where was she? She was the press secretary for the Biden White House. It was maybe like three or

00:58:55.360 four months into her tenure, and Brian Stelter got one of the first interviews with her. So

00:58:59.680 he had the opportunity to question the representative of the president of the United States on anything he

00:59:06.700 wanted to ask. Okay, and we have, and we have a little bit queued up of where he went with that.

00:59:12.760 Watch. What does the press get wrong when covering Biden's agenda? When you watch the news, when you

00:59:20.060 read the news, what do you think we get wrong? So I want to know what the job is like versus what you

00:59:24.840 expected it to be like. More likely, the things that get under my skin are when a question,

00:59:29.940 the premise of a question is based in inaccurate information, misleading information.

00:59:35.900 That can be frustrating. I know a lot of liberals don't want Fox News to get called on.

00:59:39.960 I think they should be, but I know a lot of liberals, a lot of immigrants don't want it.

00:59:43.300 So why do you call on Fox News and Newsmax? For journalists who watch what you do,

00:59:48.840 what's your advice for them about trying to stay close to the truth in this world of lies?

00:59:53.980 I know this is often adversarial, but it also has to be functional.

00:59:57.480 Is the relationship between the White House and the press corps now at least functional

01:00:00.800 in ways it wasn't in the Trump years?

01:00:02.860 I think so.

01:00:05.980 Do you?

01:00:07.120 There's Dora the Explorer. That's who she reminds me of. We'll show you the clip. But she's

01:00:11.720 lying. Unlike Dora, she's lying.

01:00:15.740 To dance the kitty cat dance, we need to scratch our kitty paws, stomp our feet, and wag our

01:00:23.680 kitty tails.

01:00:24.680 We got the mermaid freak. Yay!

01:00:27.420 And that's his tough cross-examination.

01:00:32.720 So he treated her as though she were the same kind of high-level expert on journalism as he was,

01:00:38.920 like critique the press. But her whole life has been serving as a spokesperson for the U.S.

01:00:44.460 government, which everyone knows is not a job where you're supposed to tell the truth. It's

01:00:47.400 supposed to be where you spin on behalf of the government. But the worst thing, Megan,

01:00:51.620 and I found it so creepy at the time, was that that first question was basically saying to her,

01:00:57.840 please, please, Jen, tell us how it is that we can better serve you. What is it that we're doing

01:01:03.840 that's insufficient to advance the interest of the Biden White House? What are you angriest with us

01:01:10.140 about? And even she was kind of uncomfortable with that question. Like, I don't really think I

01:01:14.840 should be telling you how better to behave. It was such a obsequious kind of creepy, I want to

01:01:22.740 almost say psychosexual attempt to create this dynamic between him and her, where she got to

01:01:28.160 lecture him. And again, you're a journalist, at least in theory, being able to question the

01:01:34.480 spokesperson for the most powerful politician on the planet. And that is what you spend your time

01:01:39.920 doing. Please tell us how we can better serve you, how we can better behave.

01:01:45.180 But I forget, I want to mention that that clip of Stelter was put together by Newsbusters. So good

01:01:51.700 on them. He also asked her, do you ever worry like I do about how the GOP is ruining the country?

01:02:00.060 And I think to myself, what what kind of country is this going to be when they are our age? Do you do

01:02:05.480 fear that given the craziness we're seeing from the GOP? Do you fear that for our kids, your kids

01:02:11.400 and mine? Yeah, OK, that's basically what he's saying. And that's how he still feels. I mean,

01:02:21.120 that's how Brian Stelter sees the media and sees the right half of the country, just like most of

01:02:25.460 the people at CNN who are now nightly trying to confuse us into thinking that they've suddenly become

01:02:30.700 fair. The Dana Bash interview proves they're not fair. They're 100 percent in the tank for the

01:02:38.040 Democrats. And they have one goal, which is to get Democrats elected. So that is Brian Stelter. Good

01:02:44.040 luck to him. We'll look forward to watching his reform now in your back, Brian. You're yeah. Welcome

01:02:50.400 back, Brian. Actually, kind of look forward to covering what he's going to do. I can't wait to see

01:02:54.580 the new and new and improved Brian on the subject of the media, a big piece dropped today. And this

01:03:03.140 is big. In your top answer, you talked about how, you know, the Democrats are fond of these tactics

01:03:08.960 to take down people they don't like. And one of them was in connection with that Buffalo mass shooting.

01:03:13.740 They blamed Republicans for for the shooting, citing items that appeared in the shooter's manifesto

01:03:21.740 about the great replacement theory. And we just pulled just just for audiences, edification,

01:03:28.080 a couple of examples. The Atlantic, why Tucker Carlson should want the Buffalo manifesto made

01:03:35.160 public salon mass shooting in Buffalo. Tucker Carlson, another right wing conspiracy theorist,

01:03:40.460 share the blame. L.A. Times, white terrorists have Tucker Carlson syndrome. Rolling Stone,

01:03:46.740 the Buffalo shooter is not a lone wolf. He's a mainstream Republican. That was all based on

01:03:53.500 what they found in the Buffalo shooters manifesto about the so-called great replacement theory.

01:03:59.680 This was a shooting at which he killed multiple black grocery store goers. Okay, now let's go to the

01:04:08.300 mass shooting we saw in Nashville at a school in on March 27th, 2023, where this,

01:04:16.740 trans person, it's a, it's a female who said that she was a male showed up and killed three

01:04:25.380 nine-year-old children and three adult staff members ever since, where are we now? It's

01:04:31.380 September 4th today. That's March of, of 2024. This is March of 2023. They have not released

01:04:38.060 this shooter's manifesto. Journalists have tried to get it. Independent media on the outside have tried

01:04:44.280 to get it. Steven Crowder is the one who actually made the biggest progress between then and now

01:04:48.500 getting a leak of at least some of this person's writings. But since then, we've been told by the

01:04:53.700 officials, state and federal, no, it's too dangerous to share. Like it's too, you can't see it because

01:05:01.040 it'll endanger others. Well, what does that mean? They're all full of nutty ramblings. We've seen

01:05:07.580 that in almost all the manifestos. None of them is a great thing that you want to share with children,

01:05:11.960 but we're adults who would like to understand motivations and how to prevent the next one.

01:05:19.340 And how are we going to do that if we don't understand what this person's mindset was? Maybe

01:05:25.160 it was just a loon. Maybe it was political violence. We let's find out that take our word for

01:05:30.200 it. Take our word. We're not going to. Well, now the Tennessee stars editor-in-chief Michael Patrick

01:05:36.160 Leahy has gotten his hands on it and he's released 90 pages of this person, the shooter's 2023 journal.

01:05:44.660 They say that they legally obtained the journal from a source in June and that it was written by

01:05:50.980 the shooter between January and March of 2023 when the shooter conducted the violence. It was recovered

01:05:56.600 from the shooter's vehicle by officers with the Metro Nashville police. And we believe of course

01:06:04.260 that the reason they weren't disclosing this manifesto for all this time is that

01:06:08.640 they didn't want to make it look like somebody who had said that they were a trans person

01:06:13.300 was mentally unstable and had any motivation that would reflect poorly on the trans community.

01:06:20.040 You're not going to see headlines about trans shooters like you had about the Tucker Carlson

01:06:24.980 alleged link to the manifesto, which was a disgusting smear and lie. Disgusting smear and

01:06:31.440 lie. Tucker's been on our show and many others explaining how that is a Democrat theory. That's

01:06:35.960 the Democrats thing. The great replacement theory. He talks about it and then they blame it all on him.

01:06:40.880 Anyway, some of the newly released line items in this journal include, again, sourcing here at the

01:06:49.200 Star Tribune. Sorry, I want to make sure I get it correct, the Tennessee Star, writing, quote,

01:06:56.800 if God won't give me a boy body in heaven, then Jesus is a F word. It's a derogatory term for gays.

01:07:06.660 I can't be happy. I'm meant to die. No brown girls, no love, because this person was supposedly obsessed

01:07:13.160 with, um, uh, a person of color, a girl in, in her school. And she didn't have a boy body that could

01:07:20.160 perform with this brown girl who she was obsessed with from the sound of it. Brown love is the most

01:07:25.240 beautiful kind. It goes on and on. And there are plenty of other writings that support that this

01:07:29.420 person was obsessed with getting her boy body. And this is the stuff that was deemed so

01:07:36.120 untouchable. Glenn, we weren't allowed to know about it. A very different treatment of this

01:07:43.300 manifesto or this shooter's thoughts than we saw in Buffalo, which involved, which involved racial

01:07:48.240 violence and an alleged link to Republicans or Tucker. This is one of the issue that I focus on

01:07:56.880 a lot going back to my days as a constitutional lawyer, because first of all, embedded in constitutional

01:08:02.260 law is the idea that if you give a speech, a protected speech, you cannot be held liable

01:08:07.740 for what someone does after hearing your speech. Because obviously any political view can inspire

01:08:14.040 some crazy person to go do violence. If you say abortion is murder, maybe someone will go kill

01:08:19.140 an abortion doctor. If you say restrictions on abortion are an attack on women, maybe somebody

01:08:24.840 will go bomb a pro-life clinic. This is for every opinion that you could ever want to possibly

01:08:29.780 think about. And so the whole principle of trying to do this, I think, is outrageous.

01:08:34.660 On top of that, you have this extremely inconsistent application. Let's remember in 2017,

01:08:39.840 someone who was a huge fan of Bernie Sanders and Rachel Maddow and who posted every day that

01:08:44.800 Republicans are fascists and Russian agents went to a softball field in order to murder as many

01:08:50.120 Republican members of Congress as he could and almost murdered Steve Scalise. And nobody blamed Bernie

01:08:55.700 Sanders or Rachel Maddow for inspiring that person. And yet, as you say, somebody goes to Buffalo and

01:09:02.440 kills 10 African-Americans and leaves a huge manifesto that never even mentions Fox News or

01:09:07.840 Tucker Carlson, no indication that he ever knew about it or watched it, expressed views that not

01:09:12.740 only did Tucker never mention, but has explicitly renounced and advocated with great contempt and

01:09:17.760 passion. And yet the whole media theme was Tucker Carlson has blood on his hands. So you have this

01:09:22.060 huge inconsistency. We were one of the people who tried to retain counsel in Tennessee and did

01:09:27.240 to try and get that manifesto exactly for the reasons that you said, but also because

01:09:32.140 it should be fair. Whenever there's some killer that can be blamed on somebody on the right,

01:09:38.080 they pour over the manifesto. They use it to accuse not the murderer, but somebody who expresses views

01:09:43.900 of having done so. And we wanted to see, okay, let's see if it could be done fairly. The FBI,

01:09:48.660 the local police have the most absurd justifications for refusing to release it. Namely, they're still

01:09:55.060 investigating if it were a conspiracy theory, it would be too dangerous. And of course, as it turns

01:10:00.240 out, there's elements of trans ideology that clearly was part of the motive as usual, along with mental

01:10:05.840 illness. And because it's a year and a half old, as intended, nobody's really paying attention to it

01:10:12.360 right before an election. And that's the thing that, you know, kind of sickens me. I hate the whole

01:10:17.580 principle of blaming people who express political ideas. And then someone goes, kills them in their

01:10:22.380 name. In 2002, there was a big right-wing politician who was gay, anti-immigrant, and some radical left

01:10:29.580 wing environmentalists murdered him. Nobody blamed the environmental movement for that, but it always

01:10:34.880 on the other side happens. But if we're going to have that kind of theory, let's have it openly.

01:10:39.660 And the fact that they kept that under lock and key for so long, whereas every other manifesto

01:10:44.680 that's more useful is immediately released and Purnover shows you exactly what this is all about.

01:10:52.020 The double standard is disgusting. It's so apparent, but people get manipulated. God bless them. It's not

01:11:00.020 their fault. They don't live, sleep, eat, breathe the news like you and I do. And they don't have that

01:11:06.560 many honest journalists out there that will help them separate the lies from what's real. So this

01:11:14.580 is important work and good on these reporters for actually getting it and having the temerity to

01:11:19.160 publish it irrespective of the blowback. And you know what? Shame on those media outlets that don't

01:11:24.740 now report on it and get really honest about what's in there. Um, there's another double standard.

01:11:30.060 I mean, it's the same double standard, but another example of it just today. So I have been watching,

01:11:36.800 I don't know how many years has Trump been in the public eye as a politician now, you know, eight,

01:11:40.900 nine years, um, with amazement as they make Mary Trump into Taylor Swift. Every word this person

01:11:53.420 utters gets linked online. She's got like hundreds of thousands of subscribers to her newsletter.

01:12:00.660 She's constantly on the media websites. Like Mary Trump says Trump can never win. Mary Trump says

01:12:06.180 Trump is a narcissist. Who gives a shit what Mary Trump thinks about anything. I couldn't care less.

01:12:14.860 She's not like, it's not like Trump, like Ivanka has come out to turn on her dad, you know, or Tiffany.

01:12:22.660 Okay. That might actually be something. She's like a there do well niece. She doesn't like,

01:12:30.420 there's the, the interaction between these two is like as thin as this piece of paper,

01:12:35.780 but they treat her like an expert. Then RFKJ endorses Trump. Every Kennedy they can find is on

01:12:43.140 television and all over the print press, Carrie Kennedy and Kathleen Kennedy and all the other

01:12:48.880 Kennedys who want us to think they're real Kennedys, but really there's so many generations

01:12:52.060 removed. We don't care. And by the way, we don't even care about the JFK kids or grandkids anymore.

01:12:56.500 It's like, there was another era move on. What have you done? Absolutely nothing from what I can see

01:13:00.680 other than serve as a Democrat mouthpiece on random charity boards and live off your grandfather's

01:13:05.520 name. Anyhow, that's what happens when you are critical of a Republican or

01:13:12.460 somebody who's supporting a Republican. Tim Walz's brother was outed yesterday by the New York

01:13:23.500 Post as having made some very unhappy posts about Tim Walz on Facebook saying the stories I could tell

01:13:34.200 and saying he was seriously considering endorsing President Trump in this race, wanting to make

01:13:40.200 clear, he does not support Tim Walz's policies. And it turns out he actually donated to Trump in 16.

01:13:46.320 So he is a Trump supporter and donor and may go so far as to support him in this race against his own

01:13:51.280 brother. He and Tim Walz are apparently estranged. Eight years now going back, I think to the death of

01:13:57.200 another family member. It might've been another brother and they don't speak. I don't know why.

01:14:00.880 On top of that, it breaks today. This picture on, uh, on X was originally posted. Now the Daily Mail

01:14:10.460 reporting by a friend of the Walz family for the listening audience. It's one, two, three, four,

01:14:15.200 five, six, seven, eight people wearing blue t-shirts that read Walz's for Trump, meaning Walz's family

01:14:23.240 members for Trump. And, uh, behind them, it reads Trump 2024, take America back. Uh, this former

01:14:32.120 Nebraska gubernatorial candidate, Charles W Herbster first posted the image to X on Wednesday. It was

01:14:37.380 retweeted by end wokeness and many others. Those in the image, according to Daily Mail are members of

01:14:42.600 the Minnesota governor's family through his grandfather's brother, the Herbster, uh, contact

01:14:48.460 confirmed to the Daily Mail. And, uh, they, he captured it. Tim Walz's family back in Nebraska

01:14:55.460 wants you to know something. Now, I don't think, I don't think Glenn Greenwald that we're going to

01:15:02.780 get the same star treatment of Tim Walz's brother or the family members in that picture that we got of

01:15:11.020 the Kennedys, Mary Trump. And now there's a McCain son who's out there ripping on Trump too. Like

01:15:17.100 any family membership will do as long as you hate Trump. If you hate Tim Walz, eh, I didn't see it.

01:15:27.360 Yeah. You have a feeling that the Walz family won't get as much attention, just kind of an intuition.

01:15:32.160 Yeah. I would join in that. Let's remember too, Barack Obama had a brother from his father's side

01:15:37.560 who was vehemently critical of Obama, very pro Republican, very conservative. And he was treated

01:15:43.580 as some sort of irrelevant clown, even more so anytime Hunter Biden was brought up, not again,

01:15:49.980 for his personal life, which I don't think a father should be necessarily held responsible,

01:15:54.000 but for again, business transactions that traded on his father's name, we were told,

01:15:59.080 who cares? Hunter Biden's not on the ballot. That has nothing to do with Joe Biden.

01:16:03.320 And again, in general, I would say that if you're related to somebody who's in public life,

01:16:09.360 who's running for political office, it really doesn't matter what your opinion is. It's like

01:16:13.080 anybody else's opinion. It's valued the same, but they turn every single critic of a Republican

01:16:19.300 candidate who has a family member against them into a Mary Trump's book was number one on the

01:16:25.200 bestseller list for months because of all the publicity that it got. And yeah, of course,

01:16:31.480 what, and now you have, have McCain, they're praying that, you know, Liz Cheney ends up endorsing

01:16:38.160 Donald Trump. Imagine if you had an entire group of Trump or JD, no, but imagine if you had a group

01:16:45.000 of Trump. Oh yeah. They want, right. They're expecting Liz Cheney to endorse Kamala. Imagine

01:16:50.520 if you had a group of JD Vance's relatives, a big family group or Donald Trump's relatives posing in a

01:16:56.640 picture saying Kamala should be our mamala or something like that. Those people would be all

01:17:02.860 over the view. They would be on every single cable network celebrated as these courageous and important

01:17:08.480 people. And here you have the Waltz family, you know, ordinary Americans, but who are from the very

01:17:15.000 close relatives of Tim Waltz wearing Trump shirts basically, and they will be absolutely ignored.

01:17:21.220 It again, it's, it's, you have a principle that you might oppose, but if we're going to have this

01:17:27.300 principle, you have to apply it consistently. And it just never is like the hypocrisy of it is so

01:17:33.460 glaring. That's the thing. It's like, I wouldn't normally be talking about Tim Waltz's brother. I

01:17:38.340 don't know what their family rift is, but if we're going to play by the leftist media rules, then he's

01:17:43.300 fair game. He should go on some TV station. He did give a comment clarifying to News Nation. I think

01:17:49.920 Elizabeth Vargas broke this last night that, um, he doesn't want to come out any further. Like he was

01:17:55.460 expressing his feelings on Facebook, but he doesn't want to get any further involved. And that when he

01:17:59.860 said, you know, the stories I could tell, he was talking about things like Tim Waltz's car sickness

01:18:05.200 as a kid when they were sitting next to each other. So it seems clear he's afraid now, and he's been

01:18:10.380 probably browbeaten and he doesn't want to become the center of the media. He didn't, you know, he posted

01:18:15.440 online, but he didn't give an interview to anybody. Anyway, that's where we stand with that. In your

01:18:19.740 brilliant opening answer, you also touched on yet another technique that gets used against you.

01:18:25.360 If you oppose a Democrat candidate for president, et cetera, and that is you could be thrown in prison.

01:18:31.420 If you are the candidate yourself running under the GOP ticket, you could get thrown in prison.

01:18:36.160 And they're trying to do that right now to Donald Trump. There's two updates in the cases against

01:18:40.560 Trump that, which are interesting. I'll start with the, with the first one, because it's most

01:18:45.600 consequential, uh, the September 18th sentencing hearing in the New York state criminal matter

01:18:54.420 against him. Like the, this is the one brought by Alvin Bragg, New York city's case against him

01:18:58.620 in which he was convicted is going forward. As of now, the judge has not yet ruled because Trump

01:19:05.940 filed a motion to delay it. You know, he's got, he wants to sort out whether he's immune from these

01:19:10.200 charges altogether. They did introduce evidence against him from his time during his, his, his

01:19:16.480 stint as president, which was not admissible now under the U S Supreme court ruling. And so Trump's

01:19:22.360 team went in there and said, judge Marchand, you got to undo this. Like this verdict's not going to

01:19:27.060 stand. And finally, Alvin Bragg has weighed in saying we oppose his effort to further delay his

01:19:33.280 New York hush money case. Uh, because now he's trying to move the case into federal court. Trump is

01:19:37.520 too, cause to get this resolved. And, um, they're opposing that they don't want any further delay.

01:19:43.820 They say, go ahead with this ruling and with this hearing, whether Trump will get sentenced and that

01:19:50.080 any concerns Trump has about timing are a function of his own strategic and dilatory litigation tactics.

01:19:57.560 He's been the one delaying is what they're saying. So it very well could be that in two weeks from right

01:20:03.620 now, Donald Trump gets sentenced to prison. That's what Andy McCarthy thinks will happen

01:20:09.140 that it'll be suspended. He won't actually have to go into jail yet, but that Kamala Harris will be

01:20:14.360 given yet another card to run around with saying he's going to jail. We have a sitting U S president.

01:20:20.320 If you reelect him, who's, who's going to have to serve time. Is that what you want?

01:20:25.060 Independence in Wisconsin and Georgia and Michigan. What do you make of it?

01:20:33.440 First of all, for the last year, Democrats have been open and explicit that one of their main

01:20:39.820 strategies. And when Trump was running against Biden, in a sense, their only strategy was to

01:20:44.540 try and get Donald Trump convicted in as many of these cases as possible. And that would be their

01:20:49.480 only chance for winning the election. That's why they were so upset. Every time there was a delay in

01:20:53.660 the documents case or in the Jack Smith case, they were outraged at the idea that this might not

01:20:58.800 happen until after the election. They were, they were open about it. Everything Jack Smith,

01:21:03.900 the prosecutor has done in two of the cases has so clearly been engineered in a way that no other

01:21:09.300 defendant would have been treated to accelerate the trial, to make sure that it happens prior to the

01:21:14.360 election as well. This is an overt, explicit political strategy on the part of the Democrats.

01:21:19.440 Democrats. That's number one. Number two is, you know, when we were young, we were inculcated with

01:21:25.200 the idea that one of the things that makes those tyrannical countries bad countries is that there

01:21:30.320 are no free elections that you can actually imprison your political opponents instead of having to defeat

01:21:35.380 them at the ballot box. That's the difference between say democracy and tyranny. And we have watched

01:21:41.000 Donald Trump, the Democrats first try and ban him from the internet, then try and remember,

01:21:46.940 they got him banned from the ballot. They wanted him off the ballot so that nobody had the chance

01:21:51.240 to vote for him. And then they have now four cases still, obviously not going as fast as they want,

01:21:58.500 but still very much a tool that they're trying to use against him. Now, I question this little

01:22:04.500 case in Manhattan specifically because it's in Manhattan where everybody knows that they're Democrats,

01:22:09.840 whether this will fortify the sort of persecution narrative that Trump has been able to exploit

01:22:15.700 every time something happened in his case, he got stronger. But if you actually get to the point

01:22:20.560 where a judge sentences someone to prison, even if they suspend it until after the election,

01:22:25.280 the idea that we're going to elect a president who then faces a prison term, I do think can be

01:22:31.660 very politically damaging. And Megan, I worked in Manhattan in the judicial system as a lawyer for 15

01:22:38.220 years. The whole thing is dominated by the Democratic Party machine. Every prosecutor,

01:22:42.240 every judge, you don't get to be a judge. You don't get to be a prosecutor unless you're part

01:22:46.560 of the Democratic Party machine and not like a nice moderate Democratic Party machine, but the

01:22:51.280 Democratic machine in New York City. So the whole thing is so tainted with political objectives

01:22:57.040 that it's hard to overstate.

01:23:01.100 I mean, it really will be shocking. He shouldn't be facing jail time. I'm just saying any defendant not

01:23:07.900 named Trump would not be facing jail time for this. That would be a joke. That would not be what's

01:23:11.300 happening. They would never have been charged with a felony. That would have been a misdemeanor at best,

01:23:14.980 at best. Correct. And yet and certainly once the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that your defendant is

01:23:23.300 immune from most virtually all acts that involve his official duties and that no trial can take place

01:23:31.660 against him that uses evidence from his time in the Oval and you did that in your case, most judges

01:23:39.280 would be like pumping the brakes going, holy shit, I'm in trouble. I don't want to be reversed by

01:23:44.420 anybody, never mind the U.S. Supreme Court and what could be a unanimous decision against me because I

01:23:49.780 have integrity. And so far, we have a ruling by Judge Mershon, but he's so far done everything Alvin

01:23:56.880 Bragg has asked him to do. And now we have Alvin Bragg saying, please go forward with a September

01:24:02.080 18th hearing in your court. Don't let this case get transferred to federal court. We don't want it

01:24:07.200 to be transferred. And let's go ahead with the sentencing. We'll see. The second update is about

01:24:12.420 Fannie Willis and an unbelievable thing that just broke. I'm going to take a quick break and we will

01:24:18.060 come back and I will show you the video of Fannie and a surprise guest in her car. I'm Megan Kelly,

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01:25:24.160 Okay. So Glenn, you are not going to believe what just happened with Fannie Willis down in Georgia.

01:25:34.000 So Fannie Willis has been mostly out of the news because that case is dying quickly. I mean,

01:25:38.200 it's, it's dead for now. It could be resurrected if the Georgia court of appeals, the appellate court

01:25:43.980 weighs in when they weigh in. If they say, you know what? She, she shouldn't be disqualified.

01:25:50.200 The lower court had it right. And this case can now be revived. Then they're still going to have

01:25:55.800 to go through the immunity evaluation that I just discussed, um, in connection with the New York

01:25:59.940 case. But in any event, right now it's dead as her DQ goes up on appeal, her, the decision not to DQ

01:26:06.100 her. Well, one of the interesting things is she testified and so did Nathan Wade that their

01:26:12.220 relationship, their affair ended a year prior to all of this. Like they,

01:26:17.200 they understood at some point before they got in trouble, it wasn't appropriate and they cut it

01:26:22.560 off. And what happened was in late August, August 24th, her daughter got, I think, forgive me,

01:26:32.480 but I think she was arrested, um, for having a suspended license because what we see in the video

01:26:39.240 I'm about to show you is, um, the mom, Fannie Willis show up and the daughter's not there. And the cop is

01:26:45.700 explaining to her that the daughter who is pregnant has been, I think, taken away. That's what I heard

01:26:49.840 because she'd been pulled over, uh, for allegedly using a cell phone behind the wheel. And then they

01:26:55.820 found that she had an earlier run in with a law that had not yet been resolved. And that's how they

01:27:01.700 wind up arresting you. She'd been on the phone with Fannie Willis, uh, reportedly. And I guess her

01:27:07.660 license had been revoked a few months earlier. Uh, the, she said she was unaware of that. In any event,

01:27:14.100 this kind of thing can happen. This isn't about the daughter and whatever her traffic issues are.

01:27:17.920 This is about the fact that Fannie Willis comes to the scene and guess who got out of Fannie's car

01:27:24.580 with her and dealt with the officers. Ladies and gentlemen, here they are together,

01:27:29.620 the dynamic duo, Nathan Wade and Fannie Willis.

01:27:33.240 There they are. Yes, indeed. By the time Willis and Wade pulled up, the daughter was already en route

01:27:56.740 to the county jail. Um, I think this is fast. Look, I know they could still be friends. I don't

01:28:02.620 drive around with my male friends. And when a kid got in trouble, I certainly would not be,

01:28:07.680 you know, these two are still together. That's my strong opinion. And they never weren't together.

01:28:16.020 They've been together the whole time. I believe it's yet another instance, incidents of perjury

01:28:22.180 for them to have gotten up there and falsely claimed that they hadn't started this affair

01:28:26.980 back in 2019, long before she brought him in. And they lied when they said they had broken up because

01:28:33.880 they're running around together, putting out fires with the daughter, super casual in the car.

01:28:39.900 That's my take, Glenn. What do you make of the whole thing?

01:28:42.020 Megan, have you ever seen in all your time as a lawyer or as a journalist,

01:28:46.040 a prosecution blow up in the face of a district attorney more than this one?

01:28:51.140 The whole proceeding has been a joke when she would go on the stand and they would,

01:28:54.520 she would be asked about the vacations they took together and one of them paid.

01:28:59.020 And she would say, Oh no, we split the charges. Well, where's the proof of that? Oh,

01:29:02.320 I have a ton of cash in my house. I don't know if you know this, but black people are taught to

01:29:06.040 have cash in their house. So I paid them in cash. The whole thing has been a joke from the start.

01:29:10.800 Everyone understands that she's been lying. And I think this goes back to what we were just

01:29:14.400 talking about in New York too, with Alvin Bragg, which is when you have these cities

01:29:18.640 that have one party role and you have all this power in the hands of, you know, very powerful

01:29:24.560 people being a prosecutor is a very powerful position. The district attorney, there are no

01:29:29.120 limits on it. And they begin to think that they can do whatever they want without consequence.

01:29:35.360 And yeah, maybe it's a gigantic coincidence that she happened to be having lunch or dinner

01:29:40.300 with her friend who used to be her boyfriend who decided to go help her out with her daughter.

01:29:45.200 But in general, that is not the way things happen, especially given the public scrutiny

01:29:50.020 that you know you're under. And even the whole attempt to go to the scene as the district attorney

01:29:55.560 to intervene in the daughter's case seems to be throwing her weight around as well. And I just

01:30:01.480 think it reflects on the entire mentality that has governed the prosecution, just like in New York,

01:30:06.500 of the case in Atlanta from the very start.

01:30:08.740 Yes. Our old friend, Phil Holloway is the one who tweeted this out and caught my attention with it,

01:30:14.680 but it was broken, uh, by the daily mail. And, uh, you know, once again, we get an update on these

01:30:22.220 two that doesn't reflect well on them that I forgot to mention when we were talking about the manifesto,

01:30:26.940 and this is important. The New York times, Washington post, CNN, ABC news, associated press,

01:30:31.320 no reporting on the Tennessee star story, the manifesto, nothing. Nobody's picking up that huge

01:30:37.040 exclusive and even reporting on it. Nevermind reporting honestly about, you know, what they

01:30:42.400 found. It's actually just absolutely gross. Um, so they don't want that out there. And when that

01:30:50.420 story about Fannie and Nathan first broke, we covered it here on the show. Yes, we covered the story in

01:30:54.920 depth, but we covered also the New York times's reaction on their daily podcast, which was like,

01:30:59.180 who, this was, seems like a nothing burger. This kind of isn't anything. And it wasn't until she

01:31:04.500 really started to get legal trouble down there for this very serious allegation that they were like,

01:31:09.200 Oh, who could have seen that coming? Right. And we were laughing at them with our audience. Like

01:31:13.040 all of us saw that coming. We've been talking about it for weeks. And I mentioned earlier,

01:31:17.840 here is, um, NPR on the Hunter Biden laptop laptop story. When it first broke, we don't want to waste

01:31:25.440 our time on stories that are not really stories. And we don't want to waste the listeners and the

01:31:30.420 readers time on stories that are just pure distractions. So there you have it. They are,

01:31:37.220 they don't think a Hunter Biden laptop is news. They don't think Fannie and Nathan is a thing.

01:31:43.060 They didn't think that until the whole case got killed and we were proven right. Right. Those of us

01:31:49.040 who believed, Oh, it's a thing. This is actually deeply problematic. And they apparently don't think

01:31:53.060 the manifesto is a thing either. Glenn, that's today's corporate media.

01:31:59.720 Go and compare how much attention those media outlets you just mentioned lavished, uh, not just

01:32:05.380 the Buffalo shooters manifesto, but the attempts to blame people like Tucker Carlson for having

01:32:10.580 inspired the killing based on absolutely nothing and compare it to their ignoring of the manifesto of

01:32:16.300 this trans killer. It will tell you all you need to know. Remember Megan in 2020, I was at the media

01:32:21.540 outlet that I founded and I wanted to write about the revelations of a Hunter Biden laptop because

01:32:27.540 the one thing I've done in my career is work with very large archives and I know how to authenticate

01:32:31.900 them. I knew from the start that archive was authentic and genuine. It was very easy to prove using the

01:32:38.840 same standards you authenticate other archives. And I was prevented from publishing stories about the

01:32:45.340 revelations of that laptop because the week earlier this, the, the intercept where I had worked printed

01:32:50.820 the CIA lie that it was Russian disinformation. I saw from the inside, how willing they are to

01:32:56.880 abandon basic journalistic values in pursuit of a political agenda, especially after 2016, when they

01:33:03.160 felt like part of the media, they did felt like part of the media for doing their jobs of reporting on

01:33:08.080 Hillary was what was to blame for Trump's victory. And they decided we're not going to make that

01:33:13.220 mistake again, meaning we're not going to do journalism again, that might end up harming the

01:33:17.440 Democrats and helping the Republicans. Even if the story is relevant and true, that was the radical

01:33:22.440 change inside newsrooms after 2016. Maybe it will be solved by one of the best global experts in media

01:33:30.360 commentary, Brian Stelter, when he returns. Maybe that is the solution to our problems. In the meantime,

01:33:36.740 the issue of race. Okay. This is also a tool that is used by some of the, in the media to try to shut

01:33:43.800 their critics up and Democrats in general do this, try to shut their critics up. And Kamala Harris is

01:33:51.280 out there working her fake accents. She talks differently in front of a crowd that is largely

01:33:58.280 black than she does in front of a crowd that isn't. It's very obvious. And Peter Doocy actually asked

01:34:06.540 about it at the white house. And now he's getting all this blowback from people like Jamel Hill.

01:34:12.000 Here is an example of Kamala first in, uh, Detroit. And then a few hours later at a rally in

01:34:19.520 Pittsburgh. This is via the Trump campaign advisor, Alex Bruitz.

01:34:24.340 Let's just get to the next 64 days.

01:34:28.800 So friends, 64 days until the most election of our lives.

01:34:38.540 My God, listen to that difference. And here's another example. Here she is, uh, saying thank

01:34:43.600 a union member differently in Detroit versus last month when she was down in Houston.

01:34:48.320 You better thank a union member for the five day work week. You better thank a union member for

01:35:01.640 paid leave. You're from Canada. You may not be a union member, but thank unions for the five day

01:35:13.480 work week. She found her hours for the eight hour work day. Thank unions for sick leave and paid family

01:35:26.080 leave and vacation time. She's such a phony. Here's Peter Doocy raising it at the white house press briefing

01:35:37.460 with Korean shop here. A different topic. Since when does the vice president have what sounds like

01:35:44.460 a Southern accent? I have no idea what you're talking about. Well, I mean, this is, she was

01:35:50.840 talking about unions in Detroit using one tone of voice. Is this something that same line? Okay.

01:35:58.100 She, uh, she's the same line in Pittsburgh and it sounded like she at least had some kind of a

01:36:02.860 Southern drawl. I mean, do you hear the question that you're, I mean, do you think Americans seriously

01:36:07.160 think that this is an important question? They care, you know what they care about? They care

01:36:11.640 about the economy. They care about lowering costs. They care about healthcare. I'm not even going to

01:36:16.660 entertain some question about the press. It's just, it's just hearing it sounds so ridiculous.

01:36:23.280 Well, but hearing it is. The question I'm talking about, the questions is, is just insane.

01:36:30.000 Is that how she talks in meetings? I, I'm just, Peter, we're, we're moving on. We're still moving on.

01:36:37.600 Hmm. And then here's the final piece of it, Glenn. Jemele Hill on X. Ain't no way Doocy wanted to say

01:36:45.680 Southern accent. Two. Again, this entire conversation around VP Harris's dialect is rooted in how little

01:36:53.020 some white folks know about black people. Three. This is shitty journalism. You see the fact that you

01:37:02.220 and I think she's well, at least I, but I think you think she's a faker that she's false. A fraud

01:37:09.200 is because we're white. So that's the leftist response to this. Jemele Hill, a far left black

01:37:17.520 journalist. I mean, I think the time to be concerned or intimidated by those kinds of accusations is long

01:37:23.680 over. I don't think anyone cares anymore about the cynical attempts to accuse you of racism for

01:37:29.080 raising questions or saying things that people want to intimidate you out of saying. I don't,

01:37:35.160 you probably have heard AOC do this. She actually does it all the time. Like out of nowhere,

01:37:38.740 she'll just break into a black dialogue. She'll just start talking as if. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

01:37:45.520 From the suburbs. And it's like offensive. Honestly, it's, it's, it's like blackface and Kamala Harris says

01:37:52.900 she's from Oakland. She never lived in Oakland. She was raised by her Indian mother, which is

01:37:57.700 totally fine. But the idea that she spoke like that ever, that she speaks like this ever, she has

01:38:04.220 never sounded like that in public until about three months before an election when they absolutely have

01:38:09.000 to solidify the black vote is so cynical. It's so grotesque. It's so artificial. So of course,

01:38:15.800 that's the sort of thing we talk about with our politicians with, which is whether there's authenticity

01:38:19.560 to it or whether there isn't. And I would suggest that adopting certain kinds of lingo or forms of

01:38:26.640 speaking that are not your own simply to appeal to a certain group is painfully cringeful and,

01:38:32.660 and condescending. It's what Hillary Clinton used to do when she would pretend to have a Southern

01:38:36.900 accent as well. And it's, it, of course, it's just reflects so much on the fact that Kamala Harris,

01:38:43.460 what she really is, is nothing more than an opportunist, totally craven with no fixed beliefs,

01:38:48.060 or even a fixed personality. Imagine having the desperation for power to being willing to

01:38:54.180 degrade yourself in that way, to stand up and speak like that when everyone knows that you don't.

01:38:59.440 Um, it's, it's, it's, it's not just embarrassing. I think it's actually more sinister than that.

01:39:04.840 Mm-hmm. She's the daughter of two PhDs who was raised mostly by her PhD Indian mother in Canada.

01:39:12.840 And yet she wants us to believe that that's how she talks. She wants the mostly black audience to

01:39:19.020 believe that that's how she talks. And what kind of an insult is that to the mostly black audience?

01:39:25.220 I'm like, what, what is she trying to say that all blacks sound like that, that they'll only like

01:39:31.360 her if she sounds like that? I mean, like the black people that I know would be sitting in the audience,

01:39:36.840 like, why is she doing that? What, what is, what does she think of us? What is she trying to

01:39:41.740 telegraph here? We're only going to get behind her if she starts doing a fake accent and tell you

01:39:46.820 better and losing her eyes. And, and I mean, it's in, it would have been better if she'd been in the

01:39:52.080 South. At least then we would have understood, oh, it's like a regional thing. That's not what this

01:39:56.040 was. This was about color. This is about race.

01:39:59.120 Right. And I do think it's true that what Peter and you see was really asking was about that,

01:40:03.180 even though he, he didn't quite ask it because look at what happened to him just for asking the

01:40:08.180 question that he did ask. But, you know, I think there was an interview. I don't know if you saw,

01:40:12.700 they went into like a barbershop, a black barbershop on CNN thinking that they were going to hear all

01:40:17.280 these great things about Kamala. And one of the questions was, do you think Kamala is black?

01:40:21.440 And almost to a person, everybody was like, not to me, she isn't. And, you know, I think that they

01:40:30.460 understand that that's a problem, but you could talk about the fact that she went to Howard,

01:40:34.480 which is a traditionally black college. You could talk about her relationship with her father,

01:40:38.120 but to just adopt a new lingo to speak that you've never used in your life before.

01:40:44.440 It is, I think, not just condescending. It is racist. It's like saying, this is the only form

01:40:50.140 of speech that you can understand and relate to. So I'm going to use the kind of language that is the

01:40:55.140 only one you're capable of connecting to. You're a phony panderer. Glenn, always great talking with

01:41:01.740 you. Thank you so much for being here. Great to see you, Megan. Thanks. All right. And coming up

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