The Megyn Kelly Show - Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.640 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.880 I hope everyone had a nice Memorial Day weekend with your friends and your families.

00:00:50.440 Loved the feedback to our show yesterday.

00:00:53.100 It was a new show. We taped it the previous week.

00:00:56.700 With the Sheriff of Baghdad, John McPhee.

00:00:59.580 Can I just tell you, the feedback on this was so great. Keep it coming. Thank you.

00:01:04.860 I did, as I often do, went on YouTube and I was scrolling through some of the comments and I loved them.

00:01:11.420 Somebody said,

00:01:12.320 John McPhee is the break glass in case of emergency guy.

00:01:16.920 Like, that's what you say sitting there when you do, when you break it.

00:01:22.100 Totally agree.

00:01:24.340 Somebody said, like, he's equal parts adorable and terrifying.

00:01:29.920 Saying something, I totally agree with that too.

00:01:32.580 I have never interviewed somebody like him and I absolutely adored him.

00:01:38.340 When it was over, this is for our listening audience who didn't listen to this yesterday.

00:01:43.160 It's only like an hour long and it's highly entertaining.

00:01:46.760 He is a fascinating dude.

00:01:49.900 He was a ranger, special forces, fought in Afghanistan and Iraq.

00:01:55.420 Large portions of it by himself, which is part of what we got into.

00:02:00.540 Crazy childhood, which, you know, in an inadvertent way, I think, was led to this warrior that we now know.

00:02:10.940 You know, like, I don't know if he could be John McPhee, special forces, if he weren't John McPhee, only kid in South Chicago who was white and was on a bus every morning getting the shit kicked out of him.

00:02:22.320 Just a fascinating guy.

00:02:24.260 And then went on to serve our country honorably and has a totally different way of looking at his service as a, as a warrior.

00:02:30.740 Just all of it was so fascinating.

00:02:33.100 And then when, when it was over, he was, he was adorable.

00:02:37.740 Like he was at parts terror and like, I wasn't terrified of him, but I was terrified for our enemy in a good way.

00:02:43.420 Um, and he gave me a bag of goodies.

00:02:46.340 That was great.

00:02:47.860 It has all this like stuff that can kill people.

00:02:51.920 I was like, terrific.

00:02:53.720 This is so fun.

00:02:54.820 It's got a bunch of stuffs for my, for my AR 15, which I'm definitely going to have to get now.

00:03:00.620 Um, anyway, I loved him and I think you guys are going to love the 55 minutes that he and I spent together.

00:03:04.940 So check it out when you have a minute.

00:03:06.100 Okay, but let's get to the news today.

00:03:07.960 There's a lot of it.

00:03:09.180 The New York times reporting that the democratic party has so far spent $20 million to try to figure

00:03:14.560 out how to speak to men.

00:03:17.400 I kid you not the plan.

00:03:19.660 It has, it has its own code name.

00:03:21.780 It's called Sam speaking with American men.

00:03:26.120 They have to, they had to come up with a code and a code name and a plan.

00:03:29.900 And they needed $20 million to figure out how to, how to just talk to them.

00:03:36.000 Cause they're still sitting in a room being like, why didn't the Tim Walz camo hat work?

00:03:40.240 I don't get it.

00:03:41.800 Plus president Trump fires a new warning at California governor Gavin Newsom over biological males in girls sports.

00:03:48.980 You know, I was so annoyed after, you know, we ended our show, um, on Thursday, was it?

00:03:58.620 I don't know.

00:03:59.000 It was the Thursday or Friday about what's happening with the biological males out there.

00:04:02.480 And this AB, uh, Fernandez, who's, who is winning all the girls medals, Fernandez.

00:04:09.500 And, um, I just did like a personal plea to people and got, got a lot of great feedback on it.

00:04:15.760 So thank you for watching that.

00:04:16.760 But then I took it to Twitter and on X, I addressed Gavin Newsom personally.

00:04:21.080 He follows me.

00:04:22.060 So I tagged him and, uh, just, I'm going to be honest.

00:04:25.380 I begged, I begged him, begged him to please stop this for all the reasons stated on our YouTube feed.

00:04:31.160 And, um, he didn't get back to me, but I think I was shooting at the wrong public official who follows me because president Trump is so fearless in this battle and president Trump, I mean, Gavin Newsom ignored me, but president Trump took up the mantle.

00:04:52.780 Big daddy got out there with his bazooka and was like, I solved this problem and you governors better freaking go along or you're going to get it.

00:05:05.820 And I'm not kidding around.

00:05:07.940 Um, I'll read you what he, what he posted.

00:05:11.140 Standby.

00:05:13.200 Uh, it's amazing.

00:05:14.620 Okay.

00:05:15.580 He, he posts the following California under the leadership of radical left Democrat, Gavin Newsom continues to illegally allow men to play in women's sports this week.

00:05:27.240 A transition male athlete, meaning a male pretending to be a female at a major event, one everything and is now qualified to compete in the state finals next weekend as a male.

00:05:36.880 While he was a less than average competitor, all true as a female, this transition person is practically unbeatable.

00:05:43.140 This is not fair and totally demeaning to women and girls.

00:05:47.140 Please be hereby advised that large scale federal funding will be held back.

00:05:51.440 Maybe permanently.

00:05:52.460 If the executive order on this subject matter is not adhered to the governor himself said, it is unfair.

00:05:59.320 I will speak to him today to find out which way he wants to go.

00:06:03.160 Three question marks.

00:06:05.000 In the meantime, I am ordering local authorities, if necessary to not allow the transition person to compete in the state finals.

00:06:12.460 This is a totally ridiculous situation.

00:06:17.640 God bless you, president Trump.

00:06:20.240 God bless you.

00:06:21.380 We've never had a president this strong on this issue.

00:06:27.480 We've only had presidents who are bending the knee.

00:06:30.460 And when peak wokeism hit under Joe Biden, I mean, he was just totally out to lunch.

00:06:35.220 He was having trannies showing their fake boobs on the White House lawn.

00:06:39.160 He was not on the team of reality, sanity or wellness like in any way.

00:06:45.700 That's where we're going to start today with Batya Angersargan.

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00:08:00.680 Bhatia, welcome back.

00:08:02.720 And so it's like Trump comes in there with the bazooka, right?

00:08:06.800 Like, you know what?

00:08:08.760 You're going to lose everything.

00:08:09.780 You're going to lose all your federal funding.

00:08:11.560 I issued an executive order and I expect you to comply.

00:08:16.220 I love what a fighter he is.

00:08:18.840 Your thoughts on this now reemerging chapter in what's becoming a very old story.

00:08:26.160 Thank you so much for having me, Megan.

00:08:28.180 And I have to tell you, my YouTube algorithm knows that when new episodes of With Love, Megan, come out, there is nothing I click faster on on this planet than your amazing show with Maureen.

00:08:43.120 I'm sure your listeners and viewers are all watching it as fast as I am.

00:08:46.220 But it is so incredible.

00:08:48.380 Thank you.

00:08:48.780 You're just doing amazing things on so many fronts.

00:08:52.760 So thank you for that, for the information, for the joy and for everything.

00:08:57.200 You're very welcome.

00:08:58.340 This is such an important moment because it's not even just with this.

00:09:03.560 I can't remember the last time a president felt this strongly about anything, right?

00:09:09.200 Forget about the things I care about.

00:09:11.540 Donald Trump has a theory of the case, how to protect and defend this country, the values that it was founded on, the working class, women, gay people.

00:09:25.240 I mean, everybody who's being impacted by the trans insanity.

00:09:30.180 And it gets back to the Democrats' problems with men.

00:09:34.680 You know, I think a lot of people are probably wondering, you know,

00:09:36.740 we know that trans athletes in women's sports is unbelievably unpopular.

00:09:43.220 It's not even an 80-20 issue.

00:09:44.800 I believe the latest numbers are 86% of Americans oppose trans athletes in women's sports.

00:09:51.120 So how do we end up with an entire political party devoted to protecting that?

00:09:56.920 And this is basically what happens when your entire identity and your entire moral system was built for you at a place like Harvard

00:10:06.000 or some other elite institution where your whole identity is built around the idea that you are better than the average American.

00:10:14.960 You are more virtuous and smarter and more credentialed and more deserving than the working class people who work much harder than you.

00:10:23.900 And if you are a person like that in the top 10%, top 15%, what happens to you when suddenly the average American is no longer racist but actually wants Dr. King's vision?

00:10:36.860 What happens to you when the average American, including the average Republican, now wants every gay person to live in dignity and wants women to have, you know, the ability to really thrive and shine?

00:10:49.220 What gives you the right to feel like you're better than everybody else?

00:10:52.440 Well, Megan, they move the goalpost.

00:10:54.440 So that's how you end up with a left that doesn't want Dr. King's vision where everyone is treated equally but wants to see every white person as inherently racist.

00:11:04.040 That's how you end up in a system, not where the left is pushing for equality for everybody, for gay people included, for women, but a situation in which they want to turn on all those values and say,

00:11:17.260 no, this trans person's rights should outweigh every woman they ever compete against, all of the girls, right?

00:11:24.960 I mean, that's effectively what happened.

00:11:26.500 The left moved the goalpost because the average American was somebody that we could all be proud of.

00:11:33.540 This country finally arrived at the place that the founders wanted it to be, that Dr. King was pushing for.

00:11:40.060 And what Donald Trump did was he realized this.

00:11:42.860 He realized that the platform that the Democrats had used to win for 100 years, which came out of a respect for the average American, a respect for religious people, a respect for labor, a love of the American people rather than a contempt for them and a hatred of them, that that platform had been left on the table.

00:12:04.440 And so everything we're seeing now with the Democrats basically floundering is because he sort of kicked them off of the board by simply loving the American people when their entire identity was built around the view that they are better than the average person.

00:12:24.800 Oh, gosh, it's so good.

00:12:26.660 Vati, I love hearing you talk about that, this issue.

00:12:29.080 Um, I'm going to go with that, but before we, before I do, let me just show this soundbite, uh, there, this AB Hernandez is headed to win states as Trump points out and, um, no one's stopping him and his mother's at every meet cheering him on as though he's a girl, as though he deserves, deserves his spot at the top of the podium.

00:12:50.900 Um, recently, uh, when he won this past weekend, the third place finisher chose not to show up.

00:12:56.920 And by the way, as he barrels towards states and the championships, uh, it's, I don't blame the third place girl for not showing up.

00:13:03.760 You can see for the listening audience, he's on podium.

00:13:05.660 Number one, the girl who came in second, who's actually the winner, uh, is on number two and number three is not on there.

00:13:12.120 Uh, didn't show up and it doesn't look like, I can't tell where the four and five are there either, but somebody has written XX over the girl in the number two spot.

00:13:19.080 Who's really the winner and XY over Hernandez.

00:13:22.860 And, um, so it's, I don't blame the third place, uh, person for not actually posing for the photo because our listening audience wrote in because they're very fired up about this too.

00:13:33.080 A lot of Californians saying, if you're third, you don't make it to states.

00:13:36.780 Like it's one in two will go, uh, because of the way that the rules out in California, California work.

00:13:42.960 But number three should be going, but she's not going because a boy is going in her stead and will probably win.

00:13:49.060 And here is even in California, leftist woke progressive California.

00:13:54.900 It's gotta be one of, if not the most progressive state in the union.

00:13:57.840 Um, one of the moms out there confronted the mom of AB Hernandez, who just is absolutely loving seeing her son steal all of the medals.

00:14:08.040 Um, so take a listen here.

00:14:11.340 I'm going to listen.

00:14:12.180 I don't have to, I have a right to speak truth.

00:14:14.700 Boys and boys, girls are girls.

00:14:16.420 This year I did not belong competing against those girls.

00:14:19.460 Period.

00:14:20.020 What a coward of a woman.

00:14:21.060 You are allowing that.

00:14:21.900 What a coward of a woman.

00:14:23.560 Our woman telling girls to go and compete against a boy.

00:14:28.040 How embarrassing.

00:14:29.040 How would mother, mother, stand up like a mother.

00:14:32.460 I am a mother.

00:14:33.300 I'm protecting girls.

00:14:34.560 You want a boy.

00:14:36.060 How many people support the boy competing against the girls?

00:14:40.160 Nobody.

00:14:40.640 Don't tell me to shut up.

00:14:42.560 I was respectful to you.

00:14:43.960 Okay.

00:14:44.680 We're not going to.

00:14:45.220 No, you're the one that's being a real mom.

00:14:48.820 You're a coward.

00:14:52.060 Your mental illness is on your side.

00:14:53.860 I'm sorry, but there's a sea change underway and it's not just in the numbers that you

00:14:59.860 mentioned.

00:15:01.120 It's reflected in moments like that, where on the site, people are feeling, I hate this

00:15:07.080 term, but I'm going to use it righteous anger over what they're witnessing.

00:15:11.660 There, there was, this is from March, but you can feel it here too.

00:15:15.260 He did the triple jump as a girl again, proposing as a girl and he's crushing them.

00:15:21.600 He's, he's a boy.

00:15:23.060 His wingspan is different.

00:15:25.420 His leg span is different.

00:15:26.580 His ability to jump, his height, all of it is so much different and advantaged versus

00:15:30.760 girls.

00:15:31.140 And just listen to the crowd as he jumps.

00:15:33.340 It's only 10 seconds long.

00:15:34.320 Stop two.

00:15:44.960 That's just wrong.

00:15:46.860 That's just wrong.

00:15:48.180 What somebody said, the girls aren't even coming close to him, Batya.

00:15:50.620 Not even close.

00:15:53.060 It's so hard to watch and really God bless you, Megan, for putting this on the agenda and

00:15:58.700 for getting through to the president, although I think he, he does feel this very deeply.

00:16:03.400 What's so funny is someone like me who was, you know, always on the left, a feminist and

00:16:09.060 what have you.

00:16:10.020 I remember after the Me Too movement thinking like, well, we kind of like, you know, okay,

00:16:15.000 do we really still need feminism at this point?

00:16:17.760 Certainly in the workforce, women seem to have even more power than men because there was

00:16:22.780 this sea change and this culture in which men were certainly very afraid of getting on

00:16:28.040 the wrong side of that movement and the energy that came out of it.

00:16:32.320 And now it's so amazing to see it's not even just the right, but it's just the average American

00:16:38.620 realizing that there is a threat to woman and it's coming from the left, from these vanity

00:16:44.960 morals that people who have had every advantage and every privilege are now effectively saying

00:16:51.460 to people who have much less than them, sorry, uh, you don't come first.

00:16:56.740 We have another, you know, victim group that we're going to cater to, and they are going

00:17:01.680 to be the people who deserve everything and get everything.

00:17:04.260 And it's just, you hear the pain in that mother's voice who, you know, you could tell

00:17:10.040 the way she's talking.

00:17:10.840 This is not her natural, you know, way of speaking to somebody, addressing somebody, her personality,

00:17:16.080 but she's just so devastated.

00:17:17.980 It is so unfair.

00:17:20.240 And I think, you know, fairness is something that for the American people is extremely important.

00:17:26.800 I think it's why, you know, in a conversation like about Medicaid and work requirements,

00:17:31.280 you know, it's why work requirements for able-bodied men who don't have any dependents,

00:17:35.820 which is, you know, what the bill is sort of pushing to introduce.

00:17:38.940 This is the kind of thing that normal people would say, well, obviously, like, why is it fair

00:17:42.840 for somebody to just decide they're not going to work?

00:17:45.460 And that fairness principle here is a very unifying one.

00:17:49.820 And once again, the Democratic Party in its entirety, pretty much, is on the wrong side

00:17:56.100 of 86% of Americans.

00:17:58.080 Well, and it's so interesting because they're not actually, but they're pretending they are

00:18:01.840 and they're voting like they are.

00:18:03.720 You know, it's crazy because they know those stats that you just rattled off.

00:18:07.100 They know what the polls say.

00:18:08.560 They're just freaking terrified.

00:18:10.900 They're terrified of their farthest left flank coming back to call them all bigots.

00:18:16.500 And, you know, they should spend $20 million on how to shore up their spines against that.

00:18:21.120 And they might win back some voters.

00:18:23.440 And by the way, I know that a lot of these leftists listen to this show, especially politicians

00:18:28.520 now, because they're trying to figure out how to message more accurately to reach, you know,

00:18:34.580 wide swaths of voters.

00:18:35.760 And they should listen to me.

00:18:38.260 Stop with your wasted $20 million on how to talk to men.

00:18:41.800 If you can get this issue right, you actually might earn back some voters.

00:18:45.460 Because if you don't get this, then you're too far left.

00:18:48.840 You're too crazy for anybody to vote for.

00:18:51.480 And the sports issue really does encapsulate a lot.

00:18:53.460 But you're losing people.

00:18:54.720 The whole trans lobby is not the place to plant your flag.

00:18:58.300 Okay, there was this other video that hit this weekend.

00:19:03.040 This is of some influencers, a trans influencer who goes by Lily Tino.

00:19:08.560 And Lily, who's a man, loves to go to places and get misgendered, which is not the right

00:19:16.460 word.

00:19:17.040 Gets accurately gendered as a man.

00:19:19.260 And then pretends to be a victim and asks for donations and wants, you know, all sorts

00:19:26.220 of attention.

00:19:27.040 When you look up this guy's name, he goes to these restaurants.

00:19:29.640 He wants, he waits to be misgendered.

00:19:31.740 We've definitely shown video of him in the past.

00:19:35.060 And he kind of sets people up to call him sir, which is a natural instinct when you look

00:19:39.880 at him and then plays the victim.

00:19:41.700 But this is who's parading around who the Democrats, this is the hill they want to die on.

00:19:45.520 Let's watch.

00:19:46.600 He's at Disney.

00:19:47.320 That is fancy looking.

00:19:49.540 Cool.

00:19:50.240 The bottom is from Thailand.

00:19:51.840 Coconut bread from Thailand.

00:19:53.300 Yes, sir.

00:19:53.640 Cool.

00:19:54.100 Oh, ma'am.

00:19:54.660 Yeah, ma'am.

00:19:55.220 Sorry, my bad sir.

00:19:56.320 It just like totally sucks the joy out of this bread tower.

00:19:59.220 Makes me want to immediately like leave because I no longer feel like safe here.

00:20:04.040 It's like, oh, my guard now has to be up.

00:20:05.740 I'm not going to enjoy this bread as much because my guard is up.

00:20:07.840 We should be able to go places and not have to worry.

00:20:10.500 I don't think I really want this bread tower, actually.

00:20:12.640 I think I'd rather have to check if that's okay.

00:20:14.280 I think that's the training.

00:20:15.500 They're supposed to say friend or just not use gendered language.

00:20:18.420 It's like a pretty big thing that Disney has done.

00:20:20.880 Nothing was wrong with bread.

00:20:21.820 I just don't want it anymore.

00:20:23.060 Just because they apologize doesn't mean she doesn't feel sad or offended.

00:20:26.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:20:27.360 Right.

00:20:27.620 Like, if you've accidentally ever hurt someone and say, I'm so sorry, it was an accident.

00:20:31.280 Do you expect them to be like, oh, it was an accident?

00:20:33.580 Of course.

00:20:34.300 No problem whatsoever.

00:20:35.340 All of that hurt is now undone.

00:20:36.860 That's not how it works.

00:20:37.760 Sorry about it.

00:20:38.160 Okay, we heard enough from this guy.

00:20:39.580 I would love to pay for the drink, please.

00:20:41.300 We get it.

00:20:41.800 This is a freak.

00:20:43.480 I'm sorry.

00:20:44.040 This is a man wearing a woman's like little Disney costume with little blue straps, spaghetti

00:20:50.780 straps almost for the listening audience with a bare arms and sort of a chest exposed and

00:20:56.520 I guess fake boobs and like a mini mouse ear situation via a headband up above him.

00:21:03.360 And that was his voice.

00:21:04.860 You're hearing his voice.

00:21:05.940 And he's upset that somebody misgendered him.

00:21:08.600 Literally nobody in this listening audience thinks they just heard a woman speaking.

00:21:12.620 But when your natural instincts, pronouns are rehypnol, pronouns are rehypnol, they want

00:21:18.000 us to dull them.

00:21:18.620 They want us to give our natural instincts rehypnol, the date rape drug, which dulls our

00:21:23.400 senses so that we won't act on all of our instincts telling us this is a man and say,

00:21:29.540 sir, that we will dull them.

00:21:31.000 We will go along with a lie and we will say ma'am and she and play along to the point where

00:21:37.340 there is no much more women.

00:21:39.420 There's no such thing as women anymore.

00:21:42.680 I'm sorry, but these two issues go hand in hand.

00:21:44.440 You can, you know, not you, Batia, but like others can try to make it just about female

00:21:48.320 sports as much as they want, which is a huge issue.

00:21:50.460 But it goes well beyond female sports.

00:21:52.280 It speaks to the erasure of women and men who want to cosplay as women, which is not

00:22:00.200 possible.

00:22:00.840 You may be unwell, but putting on a dress does not make you a woman.

00:22:06.800 I am not a dress.

00:22:09.620 You, Batia, are not a dress or a bunch of fake inserts in a bra.

00:22:14.720 And it is demeaning to us as a sex to pretend otherwise.

00:22:21.940 I think what bothers me the most about that clip is that in a healthy society, that clip

00:22:28.980 would be recognized as a person with a lot of mental health issues, bullying a waiter,

00:22:37.460 bullying a working class person who really needs that job and is now going to get written

00:22:45.340 up because they were being polite to a mentally unwell person.

00:22:52.140 That is how a healthy society that cares about the vulnerable would have read that scene.

00:23:00.800 And anybody who sees in that the opposite is participating in this mass psychosis, this

00:23:08.640 mass delusion.

00:23:10.360 If you are trying to get a waiter fired at Disney, you've lost the plot.

00:23:18.140 And yet there are many people in power in the Democratic Party who you're right, Megan, they

00:23:22.420 don't really believe this, but they will act like that mentally ill person in that video

00:23:28.300 trying to get a waiter fired who needs that job is the victim there.

00:23:33.420 And I got to say on Gavin Newsom, this is what bothers me the most.

00:23:37.720 He will actually go out there and say, oh, yeah, we went too far on the trans thing or

00:23:43.600 like, oh, yeah, he'll go on to Carly Kirk.

00:23:45.840 Exactly.

00:23:46.340 It'll go on and he'll say the right things.

00:23:48.420 But then when it comes to the actual power he wields, he will do nothing.

00:23:53.940 So he wants the plaudits from the right.

00:23:56.060 He wants to be seen as the moderate, but at zero cost to himself and in a way that only

00:24:01.840 helps him and doesn't help any of the actual women or waiters who are being bullied and

00:24:08.620 abused in this manner.

00:24:10.080 And I think that fundamentally is the problem at the core of the Democratic Party right now

00:24:14.380 is they desperately want power back, but they have no idea what they want to do with

00:24:20.280 it.

00:24:20.740 They have nothing to offer the American people.

00:24:23.520 They don't want the power back to make the country better because they have no theory

00:24:28.320 of the case of how to do that.

00:24:30.260 They don't know what they seem to be kicking around is like, how can we hide our real instincts

00:24:35.260 long enough to get into power and unleash our full freak flag selves?

00:24:40.880 So the Democrats want to look at that man and say it's a woman, not even just a trans woman,

00:24:47.400 a woman.

00:24:48.560 Trans women are women.

00:24:50.260 That's it.

00:24:50.920 That's the tweet.

00:24:52.020 We've seen that a million times from these lefties.

00:24:54.340 It's a lie.

00:24:55.180 Every word of it is a lie.

00:24:56.300 But they want to look at that man and say that's a woman and that that woman, quote unquote,

00:25:01.000 can can chest feed her baby, which she will adopt.

00:25:09.000 And then this innocent child will come from an actual woman and be handed over to a man

00:25:14.280 like that.

00:25:15.020 A very ill, sick man, obviously.

00:25:17.880 And that if we don't like it, we're bigots.

00:25:20.480 And then that man, if he wants to run in our daughter's race or swim in her pool and, you

00:25:25.360 know, see her in the locker room, totally undressed.

00:25:28.380 That's fine.

00:25:29.020 And we need to like it or something.

00:25:31.200 There's something wrong with us.

00:25:32.120 And then that those same Democrats who are going to endorse all of that are going to

00:25:37.160 spend $20 million to figure out why men don't like them, why men won't vote Democrat anymore.

00:25:43.240 This is just one of the many issues, but it's it's an utter waste of money.

00:25:48.100 So before I get to that, though, let's just talk about what you're saying about Trump and

00:25:51.540 how the Democrat Party has lost working, working class voters entirely.

00:25:56.800 Very interesting piece in The New York Times by Shane Goldmacher over the weekend was on

00:26:01.380 Sunday, how Donald Trump has remade America's political landscape and here are a couple

00:26:05.860 highlights from it.

00:26:07.180 One of the clearest way to see how he's transformed the political landscape is to look at what

00:26:10.240 we're calling the triple trending counties in America, those that have steadily marched

00:26:14.600 in each party's direction in the Trump era.

00:26:17.280 The results are stark.

00:26:19.540 All told, Trump has improved every single election in 1433 of the nation's 3,100 counties.

00:26:26.280 Even as he lost in 2020, he was improving his margin in these 1,400 counties, almost half

00:26:33.020 of the counties.

00:26:34.000 Democrats have expanded their vote share continuously in 57 counties.

00:26:38.780 So Trump has done steadily better in 1433, the Democrats in 57.

00:26:45.620 Look at all this red for the listening audience.

00:26:47.420 It's a map of the United States covered in red.

00:26:50.840 Just you take a red can of paint and you throw it at an empty map of the U.S.

00:26:55.080 and you'll see that the blue looks like a couple of chicken scratches that like, if you gave

00:27:00.060 a rodent and told it to run across the United States and make a mark wherever it could, you

00:27:03.980 might, you might get the same result.

00:27:05.700 Like I can count the number of blues I'm looking at.

00:27:08.600 And it's just a couple, um, of the 1,433 triple trending Trump counties.

00:27:13.500 Only three had a median household income above 100,000.

00:27:22.080 Only three.

00:27:24.400 It was the opposite for the Democrats.

00:27:26.720 18 of the 57 triple trending Dem counties had an income over 100,000.

00:27:32.760 And in not one of the triple trending Trump counties did a majority of adults have a college

00:27:39.760 degree.

00:27:41.160 The opposite is the truth for truth for the Democrats.

00:27:44.060 Trump has entirely remade the Republican Party into the party of the working class.

00:27:51.740 And the Democrats are throwing money at how to speak to men.

00:27:55.360 It's so amazing.

00:27:58.280 Um, and not just because a lot of the journalists sharing this article were the people who tried

00:28:03.020 to cancel me for saying this exact thing in 2020.

00:28:05.760 So if you knew this five years ago, it was a cancelable offense.

00:28:10.020 Now they're finally coming around and admitting it.

00:28:12.320 And the maps there, I really encourage people to look at them.

00:28:16.200 The three categories that were most represented in these triple counties that have been moving

00:28:21.660 towards the right, towards the Republican Party under Trump are Blacks, Hispanics, and as you

00:28:26.960 said, Megan, people making under $100,000 a year.

00:28:30.680 This used to be the Democrats' stronghold because that is the working class right there.

00:28:36.440 And when Trump first won in 2016, they said, oh, he won the white working class.

00:28:40.780 But the trend had already started.

00:28:43.260 Donald Trump, they call him divisive.

00:28:46.160 But what he actually did was reveal the division between the elites and the multiracial American

00:28:53.820 working class who are very united around the things that Donald Trump is offering, which

00:29:00.140 is socially moderate positions on social issues, anti-war on foreign policy, and protectionism

00:29:07.760 when it comes to economic policy.

00:29:09.660 A real idea, a theory of the case for how to actually improve the lots of the working

00:29:16.700 class, not the elites.

00:29:19.020 And this is the real reason that I believe the Democrats hate him with so much gusto, is

00:29:25.260 because he was the first president in 60 years to improve the lot of the working class more

00:29:30.880 than he improved the lot of the elites.

00:29:32.820 And in the last 100 days, you have seen that on steroids.

00:29:36.460 This man is laser focused on how to improve the lot of the working class.

00:29:42.620 And this is why I think it's really important that they take seriously this idea that the

00:29:47.580 president has floated to raise taxes on the rich, not just because this is wildly popular

00:29:54.040 with the working class.

00:29:55.100 It's also very popular with Republican voters.

00:29:58.500 And my God, Megan, can you imagine making every single Democratic politician vote against

00:30:04.760 raising taxes on the rich because it was Donald Trump who proposed it?

00:30:09.500 This would help balance the budget and it would signal the truth.

00:30:13.080 I don't agree with that.

00:30:14.400 Which I don't know.

00:30:14.960 I don't think it would help balance the budget.

00:30:16.680 I really don't.

00:30:17.180 I'm like, I'm old school Republican on this issue.

00:30:19.920 The so-called rich are the job creators and the small businesses who file and look like

00:30:26.160 individuals in their filing and they get pinched.

00:30:28.420 I mean, I'm one of them.

00:30:29.200 I have a small business and if my taxes get raised by 5% on top of what they already are,

00:30:35.420 somebody's probably going to lose a job or somebody's not going to get hired for a job.

00:30:39.000 And I'm just one small business owner.

00:30:40.440 But my brother, he runs a, like a, he just sold it, but he had an engine company down

00:30:45.180 in Atlanta and he got hit repeatedly.

00:30:47.440 And every time, you know, the business owner is not going to take it on the bottom line.

00:30:51.520 They're going to lay people off or they're not going to hire.

00:30:54.600 And we've seen that time and time again.

00:30:55.820 That's why these Republicans are giving Trump a hard.

00:30:57.640 I know it sounds good on paper.

00:30:59.380 I know tax the rich is favorable, but what you're really talking about is taxing the job

00:31:03.680 creators and they will, they will not be the ones to bear the cost.

00:31:07.800 Well, I think they should keep lowering the corporate tax rate.

00:31:10.760 So for businesses, the business itself, which is hiring people and giving people jobs, that

00:31:16.580 should be, I think, as Trump was saying, anybody who's doing that, creating jobs within

00:31:21.360 America, yeah, that should be totally slashed to incentivize that.

00:31:25.520 But I think when you talk to regular people and you tell them, well, people in the top

00:31:29.320 tax bracket, you know, the idea would be to raise their taxes from 37% to 39%.

00:31:34.280 You know, the idea that this is not something that a party devoted to the well-being of the

00:31:38.880 working class should consider seriously.

00:31:41.620 I think it doesn't really, it's not the kind of, it's the kind of thing that maybe, it gives

00:31:45.680 Democrats certainly ammunition to further the lie that Trump and the GOP are not serious

00:31:52.200 about this as an agenda.

00:31:53.440 I mean, I agree with that.

00:31:54.420 Politically, it sounds great to tax the rich, but it's just not, I mean, the rich already

00:31:57.760 pay the vast majority of taxes.

00:31:59.480 They pay the, the 1% pays almost the vast, almost all taxes in this country.

00:32:04.940 The top 10% do pay all of the taxes.

00:32:07.060 And it's like, okay, this sounds like 37 to 39, but really on top of that, plus your

00:32:12.440 state taxes, you're pushing over up to 55% potentially of your, of your income.

00:32:17.220 And the people who get pinched are the people who generally have a, like a, a salary paid

00:32:22.640 to them.

00:32:23.440 People like Trump who are real estate barons who know how to hide money and claim losses

00:32:27.780 that may or may not exist.

00:32:28.980 They don't pay it.

00:32:30.000 I spoke with this big real estate baron in New York city a couple of years ago, not Trump,

00:32:33.420 uh, who said he's never paid taxes in his life.

00:32:35.760 He's never had to, because they have these portfolios that can move it around these alleged

00:32:39.720 losses.

00:32:40.460 So it looks like they didn't earn anything when they did, but it's people who get a hefty

00:32:45.400 paycheck through their own hard work who have to pay up, you know, upwards of 55% in taxes

00:32:50.720 who get pinched when you do that.

00:32:52.860 And it's just like, do you want to talk about fairness?

00:32:54.800 It's like, those people tend to be very hardworking people.

00:32:57.160 They, why should they have to pay another two to 3% of their income to support people like

00:33:02.900 the Medicaid guy you just mentioned, who is just sucking up the government dole, not

00:33:08.040 fucking working like, no, you know?

00:33:10.580 So I will make the defense of the so-called rich because they already pay so much and not

00:33:17.640 one of us wants to entrust government with more of our money.

00:33:20.360 And I don't care whether it's Trump, Biden, J.D. Vance, or Rahm Emanuel.

00:33:25.400 That's how I feel.

00:33:27.320 I hear that.

00:33:28.580 Um, I, I have been talking to a lot of people and I think this has really influenced my thinking

00:33:33.060 on it.

00:33:33.900 Working class people like truck drivers and janitors and people who stock shelves for a

00:33:40.300 living who have been very supportive of the president's tariffs agenda.

00:33:44.280 And when I say that, well, what if it raises prices?

00:33:47.420 What they'll say to me is this one truck driver said so, so, so eloquently, he said, wait,

00:33:52.020 so you're telling me that, um, I'll pay a little bit more for things now, but my children will

00:33:57.920 have a better future, better job options, be able to achieve the American dream in a way

00:34:03.380 that I couldn't.

00:34:04.320 And you think I'm going to turn that down.

00:34:06.360 My whole life is about sacrificing for my children.

00:34:09.180 And I hear this so often from people who have so little.

00:34:13.080 And so I think this is really what Trump is pushing is this idea that we're kind of all

00:34:17.400 in this together.

00:34:18.700 And I just feel that often the people with the least are asked to sacrifice the most.

00:34:24.360 And I hear you, but my own take on it is yes, we are all in this together.

00:34:28.440 And, you know, I didn't do a Dave Portnoy, but if you look at my stock portfolio and saw

00:34:33.640 what I lost when Trump did the tariffs, your jaw would drop.

00:34:37.420 I mean, it was millions, millions, millions of dollars.

00:34:39.340 But I said on the air then, and I say again, now, like, I, I just don't look at it.

00:34:44.220 I try not to look at it.

00:34:45.180 My husband looks at it.

00:34:45.960 He knows what the numbers are.

00:34:47.460 Um, and if you don't sell that, you haven't lost anything.

00:34:50.620 Right.

00:34:50.920 But I'm just saying like those people will lose a lot.

00:34:54.460 Um, and they'll lose less than somebody who's working class will lose.

00:34:58.960 But we do have to find a way that all of this is not a way of saying we don't have to help

00:35:02.940 the working class.

00:35:03.600 We do.

00:35:04.100 That's why I'm in favor of things like no taxes on tips.

00:35:06.700 And I'm actually pretty warm to the tariff idea too.

00:35:10.240 And I understand that can come back as a tax.

00:35:12.240 Most Americans oppose a sales tax.

00:35:14.300 This can in effect be a sales tax, but it's up at least the consumer about whether he or

00:35:18.580 she wants to consume, uh, with prices potentially elevated for the good of the long haul.

00:35:23.220 So in any event, um, I didn't mean for this to side rail into a tax discussion.

00:35:26.440 I just, it's been, it's in the news, so it's on my mind.

00:35:29.060 Um, but I do want to get to the, the, uh, what the Democrats are doing now because they

00:35:34.280 really have no idea.

00:35:35.420 They don't understand any of this.

00:35:37.820 They don't get why they've lost the working class.

00:35:40.020 They just think it's a guy, a guy thing, by the way, they've lost working class women

00:35:43.840 too, that no one in the working class is voting Democrat anymore.

00:35:47.760 So yes, they have a male issue, but it's, it's separate and apart from their working

00:35:52.580 class issue because rich men don't like them.

00:35:55.540 Poor men don't like them.

00:35:56.860 Middle class men don't like them.

00:35:58.900 Uh, only the super high educated rich men are voting Democrat.

00:36:03.260 Uh, okay.

00:36:04.400 So here's their, their handbook on men, same reporter, Shane Goldmecker.

00:36:09.880 Um, the headline six months later, Democrats are still searching for the path forward.

00:36:16.600 They start off with this opening.

00:36:21.040 One longtime Democratic researcher has a technique she leans on when nudging voters to share their

00:36:25.360 deepest, darkest feelings about politics.

00:36:27.280 She asked them to compare America's two major parties to animals.

00:36:31.380 After around 250 focus groups of swing voters, a few patterns have emerged.

00:36:35.900 Republicans are seen as apex predators like lions, tigers, sharks, beasts that take what

00:36:41.820 they want and when they want it.

00:36:43.600 Democrats are typically tagged as tortoises, slugs or sloths, slow plotting, passive.

00:36:50.680 One guy said a deer in headlights, you stand there and you see the car coming, but you're

00:36:56.680 going to keep standing there and get hit with it anyway.

00:36:59.680 Um, okay.

00:37:00.140 They go on to talk about what the Dems are now doing.

00:37:03.580 They've gathered at luxury hotels, Batya, to discuss how to win back the working class voters,

00:37:09.000 commissioning new projects that can, that can read like anthropological studies of people

00:37:12.940 from far away places.

00:37:14.320 The luxury hotel they recently gathered at in February was the lands down resort in

00:37:20.200 Leesburg, Virginia.

00:37:20.900 It's nestled into 500 acres overlooking the picturesque Potomac river, uh, 45 holes of

00:37:26.020 championship golf, water sports, tennis, and the 12,000 square foot spa mineral, which

00:37:29.900 offers an enriching restorative environment that emphasizes wellness and a deep connection

00:37:32.980 to nature.

00:37:33.560 That's how they're going to try to win back the working class by their, their luxury retreat.

00:37:39.000 With their enriching restorative environment, emphasizing wellness and a deep connection

00:37:43.140 to nature.

00:37:44.060 Um, the prospectus for one new $20 million effort obtained by the times aims to reverse

00:37:50.540 the erosion of Democrat support among young men, especially online code name, Sam short

00:37:55.080 for speaking with American men, a strategic plan.

00:37:57.260 It promises investment to quote, study the syntax language and content that gains attention

00:38:04.880 and virality in these spaces.

00:38:07.740 They're going to study the syntax, Vatia and Bob's your uncle in the midterms in 2028.

00:38:14.400 What do you make of it?

00:38:16.040 It's just too good to be true.

00:38:18.660 It reminds me of the DNC where you literally had millionaires sitting in like the box seats,

00:38:25.840 looking down on, you know, the regular people.

00:38:29.520 And then of course the stage was just a parade of multimillionaire after multimillionaire after

00:38:35.780 multimillionaire talking about their joy.

00:38:38.660 And it was like, let them eat the joy of Oprah Winfrey, right?

00:38:42.940 Like this is what working class people are supposed to put in their chicken pot at the end of the

00:38:47.320 day.

00:38:48.300 Um, these people have no idea what regular people sound like, no idea what their concerns are.

00:38:54.880 And I just keep coming back to, it stems from contempt.

00:38:59.240 They do not love the American people, but they believe they have the right to rule over them

00:39:04.800 because they have fancy degrees and they're very rich.

00:39:07.860 And so they want the power and they're willing to say whatever they can to get the power.

00:39:13.340 But the power is very self-serving.

00:39:15.740 It's just because they believe they should be in that position.

00:39:18.740 They have no idea what to do with it.

00:39:21.700 And so they have no idea what to offer the American people to get elected.

00:39:25.400 And honestly, it is very, very simple.

00:39:28.260 It doesn't cost $20 million.

00:39:29.780 I'll tell it to them for free.

00:39:31.500 Like if you moderate on immigration, you moderate on trans issues, you just get back to the center.

00:39:38.140 You embrace tariffs because that is what working people like because it reshores manufacturing.

00:39:43.700 You will be, you know, cooking again.

00:39:46.100 It's so obvious.

00:39:47.420 But their donor class and their activist class, who they are all terrified of, are on the totally wrong side of all of this stuff.

00:39:57.120 They support open borders, environmental extremism, trans extremism.

00:40:02.460 And so because they cannot bear to say no to the people they're terrified of, they end up wanting to trick working class people or men into giving them power again so they can keep pleasing the elites in the donor class and in the activist class rather than loving the American people, which is honestly, that is Donald Trump's secret sauce.

00:40:23.960 He loves the people and he wants to give them what they want.

00:40:27.060 Yeah, and he's been a player in this rigged system for a long time when he knows exactly how it's done, which is why people trust him.

00:40:34.580 He owned that both times, all three times he ran and seemed to have an authentic message around it, which is like, I've paid them all.

00:40:42.800 I know how this works, but I'll be in there beholden to no one.

00:40:47.700 Chris Arnott, who's been on this show, he worked on Wall Street for 20 years and then he decided to kind of chuck it and begin traveling and to try to better understand the country.

00:40:55.840 It's a great story.

00:40:57.100 He reacted to this story online with a great post saying, like in the first person, heading to the local Twin Peaks, going to ask around of the men, what syntax, language and content gets your attention until I get punched out?

00:41:13.900 What syntax gets your attention?

00:41:16.260 Here he was when he came on the show, just just by way of, you know, context on somebody who actually has made the effort to understand the working class like yourself, who's written a whole book about it and what his messaging was.

00:41:30.900 They should spend some time with you.

00:41:32.760 They should spend some time with Chris Arnott.

00:41:35.440 Here he is.

00:41:35.880 Listen.

00:41:36.020 The only answer they ever have is the old, you know, learn to code or move.

00:41:43.140 We've destroyed your community.

00:41:44.760 We shipped your jobs overseas.

00:41:46.480 Then we tell them, oh, I'm sorry.

00:41:47.880 I guess just now that your drug town is filling up with drugs and in despair, I guess just move or learn to code.

00:41:54.260 And that's extraordinarily offensive.

00:41:55.880 Place matters to people.

00:41:56.920 It's some of the few things they have that really, you know, it's meaningful to them in a way that's not meaningful to the front row.

00:42:04.540 Forcing people to become economic migrants in their own country because the policies that benefit the wealthy, that's just offensive.

00:42:12.740 And so, you know, the other solution is, you know, just get more education.

00:42:16.480 And, you know, not everybody wants to just get more education.

00:42:19.660 It's not how everybody thinks is that we should just, you know, be careerists running around building resumes.

00:42:26.120 Some people just want to live life and, you know, and define themselves through things like family, faith, and nation.

00:42:34.080 It's so refreshing to hear it said so clearly.

00:42:37.160 I don't know that the Democrat Party can get back to that.

00:42:39.680 They've run so far afield.

00:42:43.400 Yeah.

00:42:43.920 And if somebody was going to pick up the mantle, now would be the moment.

00:42:47.880 Chris Arnotti is amazing.

00:42:49.660 I call him the Rebbe, which in Hebrew means, like, you know, the one who influences in a positive way, who you look up to as a teacher.

00:42:57.920 And he's so incredible.

00:42:59.760 And his book, Dignity, is so beautiful.

00:43:02.120 And he really got there even before I did and was canceled for it even before I was.

00:43:07.720 There's a lot of people like him and me who were trying very lovingly from within the left to say, guys, you're missing the real story.

00:43:14.740 Like, this country is not a white supremacy anymore.

00:43:17.440 It's a country with a huge class divide between the elites and the working class.

00:43:21.820 And we shouldn't be talking about working class people with contempt.

00:43:24.660 We should be talking about them with respect and gratitude and making sure that they can achieve the most modest version of the American dream, stuff that we take for granted in the elites.

00:43:33.560 And they just did not want to hear it.

00:43:36.240 And it's a really good question.

00:43:38.240 Can they pull it back?

00:43:40.340 And I think even someone like Ro Khanna, for example, who will often say really smart things about economic populism from the left, like he's given Trump like a fair shot.

00:43:50.320 He's less aggressive.

00:43:51.260 And then he'll turn around and on trans be completely insane.

00:43:54.580 Or you'll have other.

00:43:55.180 What happened to Seth Moulton?

00:43:56.800 Seth Moulton came out.

00:43:57.940 Exactly.

00:43:58.900 It's not fair what's happening to the girls from Massachusetts.

00:44:01.460 I know I don't want my daughters playing against boys.

00:44:03.140 Then he got rained down on by the left and quickly changed.

00:44:06.380 Never mind.

00:44:07.160 That's not my issue anymore.

00:44:08.180 Forget it.

00:44:08.520 Just kidding.

00:44:09.100 Just kidding.

00:44:09.720 Right.

00:44:09.980 And, you know, on the men thing, it's like when I first read this story, you know, my first instinct was you mean to tell me that calling young men rapists for 10 years didn't drive them into your arms and into your party?

00:44:21.960 Or I'm just going to say it.

00:44:24.280 Putting like enormously obese women on the cover of Sports Illustrated or men posing as women on the cover of Sports Illustrated or 80 year old women.

00:44:34.420 I'm sorry, like there's just like an attempt to denormalize being a red blooded American male.

00:44:42.620 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:43.580 And of course, you can't have a functioning society without a healthy respect for masculinity.

00:44:48.280 I mean, it's like, what are women supposed to do?

00:44:51.500 Like women also want men to be like that.

00:44:54.240 And I think that's where you're seeing the sort of the normie, the erosion of normie support, like normal ideas.

00:45:00.860 Like that, you know, the ideal for a man is to be a defender and a protector and strong and strong in his family and that none of that is violent or vile or disrespectful to women.

00:45:13.840 But this is actually something that women themselves want and crave and respect and love.

00:45:18.900 And, you know, the idea that somehow that is evil or bad, this idea of toxic masculinity is very tied to the economy that the Democrats built, first with Bill Clinton and NAFTA shipping all of these jobs that require physicality and masculinity and brawn overseas.

00:45:38.120 And then with President Obama, who defunded vocational training, and then with Joe Biden, who opened the border, suddenly you have 5 million, 10 million illegals competing in construction work and devaluing the wages in those jobs.

00:45:52.980 The language of toxic masculinity was an alibi for the dispossession of the working class American male.

00:46:01.400 It justified it. It allowed Democrats to say they don't deserve good jobs because masculinity itself is poisonous.

00:46:09.960 And of course, nothing could be further from the truth.

00:46:12.780 John Hassan online, he's written for the Daily Caller, for The Spectator.

00:46:17.360 Very clever. He put it as follows as the Dems try to figure out how they lost men.

00:46:22.500 Um, working out is right wing. And then he offers the MSNBC headline.

00:46:28.060 The far right's obsession with fitness is going digital.

00:46:31.840 Then he says, liking hot girls is right wing. A Newsweek headline.

00:46:35.900 How hot girls became the right's new obsession.

00:46:39.060 Eating red meat is right wing. The nation headline.

00:46:42.080 How red meat became the red pill for the alt-right.

00:46:45.620 Then Dems today. We need 20 million dollars to understand why young men hate us.

00:46:49.480 And I thought, you can't, you can't. Working out, liking hot girls, eating red meat, that's all Republican stuff.

00:46:57.600 I mean, so now, okay, we need more money to figure out the syntax of these beings we used to call men and figure out how to talk to them.

00:47:06.820 Okay, there is an interesting wrinkle, though, having said all that.

00:47:10.440 Rahm Emanuel is coming into focus as a possibility for the left.

00:47:17.200 Um, and gave an interview and basically didn't deny it.

00:47:21.280 Now, I actually find this very interesting.

00:47:23.860 And I realize he's very establishment.

00:47:26.860 He worked for the Clintons.

00:47:28.480 He worked for Obama.

00:47:30.120 He was there when we bailed out Wall Street under Obama and was his chief of staff, uh, under Obama.

00:47:35.740 Um, so he is like as establishment Dem as they come.

00:47:38.940 But he, and he was mayor of Chicago back when it was still a city and not just an absolute nightmare like it is now.

00:47:44.340 I totally resent the current governance, um, but he has swagger.

00:47:50.440 He's a fighter.

00:47:51.980 He's a ball buster.

00:47:53.680 He doesn't take shit from anybody.

00:47:55.620 And I, so I have to say, like, he's definitely not going to get my vote, but he's interesting.

00:48:00.900 If I were a Democrat, I would definitely be spending some time hovering over that target because he's not the weak, you know, sad little soy boy type that Trump or his successor could run roughshod over.

00:48:15.540 He's also loathed by the left.

00:48:19.320 So he is very much, as you point out, an establishment centrist Democrat who the left absolutely hates.

00:48:25.040 So we're going to see whether a Democrat who can truly sideline that left wing, the activist wing and the donor wing, who are all very radical on the social issues, whether somebody like that has a shot.

00:48:36.600 What I predict is he will be very centrist on social policy, but when it comes to foreign policy and economic policy, he's going to sound a lot like a Republican from before Trump.

00:48:50.800 Then he will like what that sort of consensus in the in the middle wants, which is protectionist economic policy and more isolationist.

00:49:01.300 It's not really isolationist, but a more America first foreign policy.

00:49:05.240 He probably will do that sort of handshake agreement that they had between the rhino version of the Republican Party and the Democrats under Clinton and Obama, where it was very aggressive in terms of foreign policy,

00:49:17.800 but then actually quite free market, free trade in terms of economic policy.

00:49:23.900 And I think that would be sort of the kiss of death for him.

00:49:27.680 That's an interesting point.

00:49:28.920 Yes, because he's going to be much more, you know, the 2010 Democrat Party and Republican Party.

00:49:35.860 You know, when the Republicans went through the same same soul searching effort after they lost the 2012 election, their big solve was to push for amnesty.

00:49:46.320 That there had to be comprehensive immigration reform, which meant amnesty or they'd never get another Hispanic vote.

00:49:52.780 And they completely misread the message that was given to them.

00:49:57.100 You know, they had the wrong man running for office with all due respect to Mitt Romney.

00:50:01.340 They needed a warrior like Trump, a fighter for the people, not an elite Bain Capital type, you know, sort of more effete white shoe, you know, chamber of commerce Republican.

00:50:13.220 And the Democrats could take a lesson, but they're in serious chaos right now.

00:50:18.140 And oh, well, your life is the way it is because you set it up that way.

00:50:23.380 Baja, love talking to you.

00:50:24.680 Thank you so much for being here.

00:50:26.340 God bless.

00:50:26.840 Thank you so much for everything you do.

00:50:29.640 Ah, talk to you soon.

00:50:30.920 OK, up next, Kelly's court.

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00:52:16.960 Just wanted to give you a little update on my tax numbers.

00:52:23.980 I did look it up.

00:52:25.080 The bottom half, in terms of earnings, pay 2.3% of federal taxes.

00:52:29.460 The top 1% pay about 50%, 45.8% in federal taxes, even though they earned 22% of the revenue, but paid more than double that.

00:52:42.420 The top 10% pay 72% of all federal taxes.

00:52:45.920 In 2021, it was closer to 76% of all federal taxes.

00:52:49.180 And the problem with just lowering the corporate tax is it doesn't help individuals who file as S corporations.

00:52:57.080 Like a big corporation, you know, like a Google, that's a C corporation.

00:53:00.040 But the smaller businesses tend to file as S corporations, in which case the income passes through to the individual.

00:53:05.440 Then you have to pay individual taxes.

00:53:07.120 So that is who the Republicans raise every time somebody tries to increase taxes and just says tax the rich.

00:53:15.480 I can speak to this as a business owner.

00:53:17.660 That's how I do it, too.

00:53:19.280 And it's not that I want to punish anybody working for me.

00:53:21.760 But when you're running a business, you don't make your bottom line take the hit.

00:53:25.720 You decide to scale up your efficiencies, and that either means not hiring a new person that you were going to hire or, in the worst case scenario, firing somebody who's already on board because you have a budget to make.

00:53:37.780 And you don't alter your budget by just saying, oh, we'll make, you know, less profit.

00:53:42.040 We'll get a narrower margin.

00:53:43.300 You tend to figure out, how can I lower my expenses?

00:53:46.640 And that would include staff.

00:53:48.080 And it's not just for, you know, my company.

00:53:50.300 It's for every company that's a smaller company.

00:53:53.840 So in any event, that's the argument.

00:53:55.700 I get that it works the other way.

00:53:57.600 And, you know, people love to say tax the rich is a very popular thing to do.

00:54:00.620 And I understand why so many Democrats and now Republicans and Trump have held it out there.

00:54:06.720 But I don't think it's going to happen because there's too many Republicans who feel about it the way I do.

00:54:10.280 I don't think he has the votes to push that through.

00:54:12.360 In any event, OK, she's not wrong.

00:54:13.560 That is a very politically savvy thing to say.

00:54:16.000 OK, we got to do Kelly's court because there's unbelievable stuff going on.

00:54:20.180 So we're going to start with Diddy.

00:54:23.120 And I'm going to give you the latest.

00:54:24.480 But I'm going to bring in my legal panel so they can listen to the latest, too.

00:54:27.720 Former litigator and Rumble creator Viva Frye is here.

00:54:31.020 And legal analyst and host of Inside the Law on YouTube, Phil Holloway.

00:54:36.780 Guys, great to see you.

00:54:37.920 Thanks for coming back on.

00:54:40.200 All right, I'm going to bring the audience up to speed on what's happening in the Diddy trial.

00:54:43.700 And then I'll get you guys to weigh in on the significance to this.

00:54:47.620 I won't list it all, but I'll just give an update perhaps on Capricorn Clark, who took the stand today.

00:54:53.360 She was Diddy's assistant for several years from 2004 through 2012.

00:55:01.480 So I think she's probably the most significant assistant that he's had over the years.

00:55:05.960 We've heard her name a lot from Cassie Ventura, the star witness and from others.

00:55:09.580 And so she takes the stand for the prosecution today.

00:55:13.000 And I was telling my team, all I can think of when I hear that name is from trading places,

00:55:16.900 Billy Ray Valentine, Capricorn.

00:55:18.780 But this woman's name is Capricorn.

00:55:22.080 I don't know whether she is also a Capricorn in the astrological world.

00:55:26.860 And she heard him for sure.

00:55:29.260 She hurt Diddy, in my opinion.

00:55:31.620 But the cross is just beginning.

00:55:34.000 So open mind.

00:55:35.560 Here are some of the things that she said.

00:55:38.120 Uh, okay.

00:55:42.180 That he told me he was going to kill Kid Cudi over Kid Cudi's affair with Cassie.

00:55:48.040 He came to my apartment livid with a gun.

00:55:50.920 He said, get dressed, quote, we're going to kill this N-word.

00:55:54.700 That's pretty on the nose.

00:55:56.820 He, um, hold on, let me get more of it.

00:55:59.820 Uh, okay.

00:56:03.620 He allegedly broke into Kid Cudi's home in December of 2011.

00:56:07.600 We had Kid Cudi testifying that somebody broke in and did some weird things.

00:56:11.580 And now we have Capricorn saying it was Diddy.

00:56:16.840 And I was there.

00:56:17.840 And I know he did it.

00:56:19.100 And it was exactly the time that Kid Cudi said somebody broke into his home.

00:56:23.120 And she described what was done inside, and it perfectly aligns with what Kid Cudi said

00:56:27.840 he came home to, um, that he, uh, opened up the presents that were there.

00:56:34.920 Uh, his Christmas presents were there.

00:56:36.600 He opened them up, that he locked the dog in the, uh, closet or some, some small room.

00:56:42.740 Um, and, um, that he, he moved cameras.

00:56:46.980 Okay.

00:56:47.360 So he's, that testimony lines up.

00:56:50.080 Then she talked about how, um, after he broke into Kid Cudi's home, uh, she, uh, Diddy.

00:57:01.100 I wouldn't want to get my facts straight.

00:57:02.980 Hold on.

00:57:04.400 Capricorn Clark and Ventura, Cassie Ventura, went to see Sean Holmes in, at his Los Angeles

00:57:10.960 homes.

00:57:11.380 Combs, this is after he had broken into, into Kid Cudi's.

00:57:15.080 Combs was in a robe and underwear and immediately began kicking Cassie.

00:57:18.740 This is right when he's finding out that she'd been allegedly having an affair with Kid Cudi.

00:57:23.440 Not allegedly.

00:57:24.820 Cassie says it's so, and so did Kid Cudi.

00:57:26.880 And he's immediately began kissing, kicking, kicking Cassie.

00:57:31.200 Capricorn Clark says she and a security guard stood by as Combs repeatedly kicked Cassie Ventura.

00:57:37.240 Uh, Capricorn said Combs threatened to hurt her too.

00:57:40.260 If she tried to stop him, uh, Capricorn Clark said she left after the security guard told her

00:57:45.480 to leave and Cassie Ventura was still on the ground while Combs continued to kick her.

00:57:50.540 Capricorn said she called Cassie Ventura's mom, Regina, as she left saying, quote,

00:57:54.980 please help her.

00:57:55.840 I can't call the police, but you can.

00:57:58.120 Uh, Regina Ventura said she would handle it and hung up.

00:58:01.360 All right, let's just start there.

00:58:03.920 So you've got corroborating testimony to what we've heard earlier in the case.

00:58:08.560 And now you have, because, you know, this conspiracy, racketeering conspiracy,

00:58:13.760 they need to show it was more than just ditty.

00:58:15.460 And the prosecution had alleged in its opening, he had staffers who helped him commit crimes,

00:58:20.420 crimes that aren't necessarily charged, statute of limitations expired, et cetera,

00:58:24.240 but that he committed as part of this overall criminal enterprise.

00:58:28.320 Phil, let me start with you on whether the prosecution is making its case.

00:58:32.380 Well, it sounds like, Megan, they're finally getting into

00:58:35.060 some of the meat of the matter, because up until now,

00:58:39.520 we've heard a lot of emotionally charged testimony.

00:58:42.580 We've heard about domestic violence.

00:58:44.200 We've heard about, you know, third rate burglaries and things like that,

00:58:47.960 like you were just discussing, but we haven't heard much about how this was some type of

00:58:53.080 criminal enterprise, uh, related to, you know, sex trafficking.

00:58:57.980 Um, we're starting to hear now that, uh, who these people are that are the other racketeers.

00:59:03.900 You've got other employees, security personnel.

00:59:06.640 And so the, the government is starting to make its case.

00:59:10.240 They've got a long way to go, but until today, I had a lot of reasonable doubt that things

00:59:15.860 that I was thinking about, because these witnesses all seem to have, um, some degree of kind of

00:59:21.680 affection for Combs or maybe, uh, had affection in the past.

00:59:26.300 Um, and it may be that they all had some kind of an angle, some incentive to testify against

00:59:31.840 him, maybe sour grapes.

00:59:33.080 So the defense has been doing a pretty good job on cross-examination, but let's see if they

00:59:37.900 can sustain that momentum now that the prosecution is really getting into the heart of the matter.

00:59:43.400 Well, exactly.

00:59:45.140 So what's happened so far on cross, well, I'm going to pause there because we're still

00:59:50.860 talking about the direct and I want to get Viva to weigh in on what we've heard there.

00:59:54.780 And then I've got more from the direct.

00:59:56.100 Go ahead.

00:59:57.320 Megan, my, I'm starting off this entire process with the premise that once you view this

01:00:03.140 prosecution as the coverup and this trial as the coverup, the entire trial takes on a

01:00:08.000 whole different meaning.

01:00:09.660 Diddy is a criminal.

01:00:10.860 I mean, I say this by the evidence, by what we know by the video of him beating, uh, Cassie

01:00:16.400 and we know he's a criminal, which is undisputed.

01:00:19.320 He does not dispute that that was him in the video beating her.

01:00:21.780 We know it.

01:00:22.640 We know that this is abject degeneracy of the highest order that has spanned decades.

01:00:27.000 You go back and watch, get him to the Greek again.

01:00:28.860 And you see Pitt did his character in that movie.

01:00:30.440 And you understand it was based on reality and not comedic writing.

01:00:34.180 It takes on a whole new meaning.

01:00:35.140 But once you look at this and say, this is supposed to be a trial about criminal sex

01:00:39.300 trafficking, Rico, as in there's an infrastructure.

01:00:42.800 There were cameras all over P Diddy's apartment.

01:00:44.800 He was running effectively a blackmail extortion ring.

01:00:48.100 And this entire prosecution has been reduced now to two witnesses, Cassie and Jane Doe.

01:00:52.240 Once you start viewing this prosecution as the cover up and not the exposing of the criminality,

01:00:57.720 it'll take on a whole new meaning.

01:00:59.380 Covering up what though?

01:01:00.400 What do you, what do you mean?

01:01:01.260 Yeah, you're going to, you're going to explain.

01:01:02.700 There's an extortion, there is an extortion ring that involves other people that is not

01:01:06.140 being fleshed out here.

01:01:07.860 And it's sort of like the movie, the Titanic, where you have this entire backdrop of the

01:01:11.120 crisis of the Titanic and it is reduced to Billy Zane chasing the woman.

01:01:15.120 I forget her name around the boat.

01:01:16.900 Like Rose.

01:01:18.140 Well, I figured her name, Kate Blanchett.

01:01:19.980 You have Kate, Kate, um, what, what, Winslet.

01:01:25.580 So you have this entire blackmail extortion ring.

01:01:29.100 They went and raided Diddy's house.

01:01:30.740 There were cameras there.

01:01:31.660 We know that it involves, you know, the higher ups in the entertainment industry, if not the

01:01:35.780 world of politics as well.

01:01:37.160 And this entire prosecution is reduced to P Diddy and what we know of his abuse of Cassie

01:01:42.240 and potentially Jane.

01:01:43.400 And then once you flesh out the fact that for whatever the reason, Maureen Comey, James Comey's

01:01:47.720 daughter is still involved as one of them, this trial, this trial is a show trial because

01:01:52.480 we're, they're going to get them on something.

01:01:53.680 It might just be the, you know, trafficking for prostitution purposes, which seems undeniable.

01:01:58.280 Send him away for 10 years.

01:01:59.480 Maybe he gets out after eight.

01:02:00.680 And then you've successfully covered up the entire extortion ring that P Diddy was running

01:02:03.980 much like what they did with Epstein.

01:02:05.320 Oh, that's very interesting because where are all the tapes showing these well-known

01:02:11.060 celebrities allegedly at these parties, you know, who knows doing, who knows what that's

01:02:15.800 speculation on our part.

01:02:17.060 But I've, I have yet to hear anybody put it that way.

01:02:19.360 Viva, one of the many reasons we love hearing your legal perspective.

01:02:22.520 All right.

01:02:23.000 Let me continue going with the direct testimony of Capricorn, Billy Ray Valentine.

01:02:29.660 Ain't cool being no turkey so close to Thanksgiving.

01:02:32.280 Okay.

01:02:32.460 Sorry.

01:02:32.880 I love that movie.

01:02:34.120 Um, she goes on.

01:02:36.020 So let's just go back to December, 2011.

01:02:37.960 Okay.

01:02:38.180 So December of 2011 is when she says, um, he learned about this relationship between Kid

01:02:46.240 Cudi and Cassie.

01:02:47.500 And, um, he, he went, he showed up at Capricorn Clark's home with a gun, threatened to go kill

01:02:54.680 Kid Cudi.

01:02:55.540 I read you the quote, get dressed.

01:02:57.140 We're going to kill this N word.

01:02:59.420 She said, she put a lot of detail around it saying when he showed up.

01:03:02.760 At my house, Capricorn did.

01:03:04.620 Cause I, for some reason he wanted his assistant to go with him for his hit, Abigail, fine.

01:03:08.360 And how good do you have it?

01:03:09.860 I'm sorry.

01:03:10.360 But like when I do my own hits, I leave my assistant at home.

01:03:12.860 I do not show up at her home and insist she come with me.

01:03:17.120 Um, he said, she said she looked through the people.

01:03:20.720 She could see his pants were split up the inseam from the knee upward, exposing his underwear.

01:03:27.120 Uh, when she opened the door, he was holding a gun.

01:03:29.100 He was furious.

01:03:30.060 Why didn't you tell me?

01:03:31.260 He said, and asked her about Kid Cudi.

01:03:33.700 Clark testified that Sean Combs still holding the gun said, get dressed.

01:03:36.640 Yeah.

01:03:37.060 We're going to go kill him.

01:03:38.360 The New York post reporting that he used the N word.

01:03:40.600 When she tried to protest, Combs said, I don't give an F what you want to do.

01:03:46.280 Go get dressed.

01:03:47.980 Clark said Combs was livid, furious, mad at me.

01:03:50.620 I had never seen him with a weapon.

01:03:51.920 I had never seen him making me do something like this.

01:03:53.780 She said she called Cassie to tell her Diddy was in Kid Cudi's home, which is where she and Diddy went next.

01:03:59.740 They drove to his home.

01:04:01.100 Combs and his security guard entered the home.

01:04:03.900 She was still out in the car.

01:04:05.360 She stayed in the car.

01:04:06.140 She called Cassie Ventura on a burner phone.

01:04:07.840 She testified she told Ventura that Combs had come to her house with a gun and then they'd gone to Kid Cudi's home to kill him.

01:04:14.840 Just a day in the life as Diddy's assistant.

01:04:16.960 She said she changed Ventura's contact name in the phone to the name Stormy so that Combs would not know that she had just called Ventura.

01:04:26.020 Clark said she could hear someone yelling in the background of her call with Cassie Ventura.

01:04:30.680 He's in my house.

01:04:32.340 And that was Kid Cudi, according to Cassie.

01:04:35.040 This all dovetails with Kid Cudi's testimony.

01:04:37.060 When Combs got back into the car, he asked who Clark had been talking to.

01:04:39.520 He called Ventura's burner phone, which was the last recorded call in Capricorn's call log.

01:04:44.680 Combs Furious said, bitch, what the F is this number?

01:04:47.780 A short time later, Kid Cudi pulled up next to Combs' Escalator outside of his home and then accelerated away.

01:04:52.780 Good call, Kid Cudi.

01:04:54.080 Good call.

01:04:55.820 Combs' vehicle followed in pursuit.

01:04:58.980 Capricorn testified it felt like forever, but couldn't have been longer than a minute that they followed.

01:05:04.880 She goes on.

01:05:05.980 Hold on.

01:05:07.060 That he once ran at her.

01:05:09.740 However, he was very angry because he heard that she said she didn't like working for him.

01:05:15.400 Another thing she testified to was he kept her like slave wages.

01:05:19.560 She made 65 grand a year, but that was supposed to be for a normal eight-hour shift.

01:05:25.740 And she said he had her working literally 9 a.m. to 4 a.m.

01:05:29.360 that if she had a four-hour overnight rest, it was a lot.

01:05:34.020 So she was complaining about the job, and one of his other staffers told Diddy she was complaining.

01:05:40.460 And she testified he once ran at me after that, shoving me 25 to 30 yards.

01:05:48.200 Now, I don't know if that's an exaggeration, but if that's true, think about a football field.

01:05:51.500 I mean, that's a third of the way down the field.

01:05:53.480 My God, that would be some shove.

01:05:57.320 After I said I hated working for him, he ran at me, hands open.

01:06:01.460 He charged at my shoulders.

01:06:03.320 If you hate it here, get the F out of my house, he said.

01:06:06.740 Security intervened and told me to leave.

01:06:09.720 I quit after that.

01:06:11.700 She testified she helped with the freak-offs, providing the baby oil, a camera bag, clothes,

01:06:19.800 lube, drugs like ecstasy.

01:06:22.080 She testified she saw Diddy doing drugs, ecstasy, and Molly among them, also prescription drugs.

01:06:28.420 She also offered this, Phil.

01:06:30.680 She was once forced—I think this is her first—no, no, this is—I'm conflating two things.

01:06:36.740 This is—I don't know when this happened in the employment.

01:06:38.720 But she was once forced to take a polygraph after Combs' diamond jewelry disappeared.

01:06:45.540 She was told she would be thrown in the East River if she failed.

01:06:49.500 His bodyguard, Uncle Pauly—I can't make it up.

01:06:55.460 I'm sorry.

01:06:56.380 Uncle Pauly came to her, to her home, and forced her to go with him to an abandoned skyscraper

01:07:02.640 at 1710 Broadway.

01:07:04.120 These are all important details to be believed by a jury.

01:07:06.380 After diamond necklaces, bracelets, and watches, or perhaps it was in the singular, went missing

01:07:15.420 while she was transporting them, she said for five full days she was interrogated and given

01:07:24.420 a polygraph, which I suppose she passed because she was not thrown into the East River and was

01:07:31.340 allowed to continue working for Diddy.

01:07:35.960 Okay.

01:07:37.000 Phil?

01:07:39.400 What are they proving with this?

01:07:41.120 What is the prosecution trying to show us?

01:07:43.800 Well, you know, this whole testimony from this particular witness is a head-scratcher.

01:07:49.840 I mean, first off, who lives like this?

01:07:51.960 You know, I'm a former police officer, prosecutor, criminal lawyer, and I can tell you that when

01:07:56.640 people are aware of a burglary in progress or when they get physically assaulted and thrown

01:08:02.600 yards and yards down a football field or that length, anyway, people call the police.

01:08:07.680 People complain in real time, and there's other things that a jury could look at to corroborate

01:08:13.300 their testimony.

01:08:14.620 This whole business about working 20 hours a day straight with maybe four hours of sleep

01:08:21.280 day in and day out without meal breaks or restroom breaks, that's just not the kind of thing

01:08:27.380 that's really believable in my view, and it strains credibility to believe that this has

01:08:33.460 actually happened.

01:08:34.100 So what it looks to me like is that she's exaggerating a little bit, maybe because she's

01:08:39.860 got some kind of sour grapes, maybe because she is some victim in some capacity.

01:08:45.260 I don't know, but when she's seen to be stretching some of it, a jury can disregard the entirety

01:08:52.840 of her testimony.

01:08:53.800 Let me just say that she did testify that she went to the head of HR while she was working

01:09:00.200 for Diddy and complained about not getting paid for the many hours she was putting in,

01:09:04.960 and that the head of HR allegedly told Diddy, you owe her $80,000 with a written notification,

01:09:12.520 and that Diddy ripped it up.

01:09:14.240 Yeah, well, again, how are we going to corroborate and prove that other than accepting her and

01:09:21.000 her work?

01:09:21.360 If we have the paper.

01:09:22.640 If they have the paper and they can produce it, great.

01:09:25.040 But if not, it's just another in the whole laundry list of things that just makes me

01:09:29.880 wonder that if she's not just exaggerating a little bit.

01:09:32.740 I don't know if I agree with you.

01:09:33.340 Because we've had two other assistants take the stand.

01:09:35.260 They were both males, and they testified to hours like this, too.

01:09:38.160 I mean, that working for him was around the clock thing.

01:09:40.660 One of them complained of being tired, and the bodyguard in the car with him said, what

01:09:47.760 rhymes with tired?

01:09:50.820 Well, I mean, look, I mean, it's obvious this was an abnormal workplace.

01:09:55.520 I mean, this is not the kind of way that normal people live.

01:09:58.540 And so I'm sure that where there's smoke, there's fire.

01:10:02.620 I'm sure they did work long hours.

01:10:04.520 But when you say that you only got four hours of sleep just all the time and that you never

01:10:09.660 took a restroom break, I mean, come on.

01:10:11.960 That's just the kind of thing that makes it look to me like she's stretching the truth

01:10:16.500 just a little bit.

01:10:17.380 And what the problem is, if a jury thinks that she's stretching the truth about one thing,

01:10:22.640 the judge is going to tell them at the end of the trial they can be free to disregard

01:10:25.920 the entirety of the testimony.

01:10:27.720 Yes, true.

01:10:27.980 I agree with all of that.

01:10:29.400 But Kid Cudi had no reason to lie about what happened to him.

01:10:35.840 Well, he certainly has a beef with Combs.

01:10:40.880 That's the problem.

01:10:41.820 None of these witnesses are exactly unbiased.

01:10:44.980 They made up.

01:10:45.920 Well, you don't need an unbiased witness in order to win a case.

01:10:48.880 There's very rarely that you have a witness who has absolutely no bias whatsoever.

01:10:52.140 I mean, there was, but Kid Cudi has, he was open about the fact he wasn't happy that Diddy

01:10:57.400 was dating Cassie when he was dating Cassie, but he didn't blame Diddy for that.

01:11:02.040 He blamed Cassie.

01:11:03.160 He said she played me.

01:11:04.500 She told me they had broken up.

01:11:05.800 So his beef wasn't with Diddy.

01:11:07.800 But he was upset that his car was bombed, he believes, by Diddy.

01:11:12.520 And there's the beef.

01:11:13.920 There's the beef right there.

01:11:14.940 Oh, come on, Phil.

01:11:16.060 That's like, he tried to murder me.

01:11:18.140 Well, you can't believe the word she says because he tried to murder her.

01:11:20.980 Of course, she's out to get him.

01:11:22.060 I mean, come on.

01:11:23.260 If Viva tried to burn my car down or let my car blow me up, I'd probably have a little

01:11:27.800 bit of a heartburn that might linger through the years as well.

01:11:31.940 So, I mean, I just question whether or not there's really bias.

01:11:34.760 Not everybody who comes on the stand is a little Mother Teresa type with absolutely no

01:11:39.220 negative experiences with the defendant.

01:11:41.300 This guy's being called because the prosecution says Diddy firebombed his home.

01:11:47.320 And now you have a second witness coming forward to say, yes, he hated Kid Cudi.

01:11:53.960 And I was with him in the car as he went over on a separate visit to try to kill him with

01:12:01.560 an announcement, quote, we're get dressed.

01:12:04.640 We're going to kill that N-word.

01:12:06.300 Go ahead, Viva.

01:12:07.460 Well, I was going to say, first of all, if precedent means anything, Megan, you can use

01:12:11.080 the N-word and then rake in three quarters of a million dollars by way of give, send,

01:12:14.600 go on social media, haha jokes aside, can we say that they have an HR department at

01:12:20.560 P. Diddy's place of employment where they have drug fuel pre-cost?

01:12:25.820 I'm sort of with Phil on this in that it sounds so absurd.

01:12:29.040 Fine.

01:12:29.480 What's the prosecution trying to portray here?

01:12:31.320 That he was a bad boss?

01:12:32.740 That he was doing no good gangsta things?

01:12:35.340 No, I'll explain it to you.

01:12:36.760 I'll tell you.

01:12:37.400 And then I'll give you the field.

01:12:38.640 They're saying there are multiple crimes as part of this criminal enterprise and violating

01:12:44.160 labor laws is one of them.

01:12:45.520 That's just they're just ticking, ticking, ticking, ticking, ticking down the crimes that

01:12:50.640 there was kidnapping.

01:12:52.000 There was assault and battery.

01:12:53.560 There was arson.

01:12:54.960 There were labor law violations.

01:12:58.060 There were drug violations.

01:12:59.680 There were prostitution violations.

01:13:01.260 This is all part of the criminal enterprise.

01:13:03.720 This is just as much, if not more, than you'd see in a mob case, Viva.

01:13:08.920 But that's the reason they're bringing all this in.

01:13:11.700 Yeah, I mean, potentially.

01:13:12.920 I mean, the RICO violations of labor laws, I think when it's in the context of alleged

01:13:17.440 sex trafficking, you know, you almost weaken the case by diluting it down to say, yeah,

01:13:22.060 the RICO enterprise involved.

01:13:23.180 I don't think so.

01:13:23.980 They're just trying to show he was he was disrespectful of the law of the law at every

01:13:27.460 turn.

01:13:27.780 There wasn't anything he respected.

01:13:29.080 He was told there's been witness testimony that their assistants were told your your work.

01:13:34.200 This is Diddy's kingdom.

01:13:36.240 And our job is just to make him happy that somebody called him like he's a true icon.

01:13:41.600 Like it was like a cult around Diddy.

01:13:44.420 They were all expected to do what he asked, whether it was legal or not.

01:13:48.820 Well, that much is true.

01:13:51.160 My problem is that if we're going to expand the RICO to this type of criminality, like when

01:13:55.840 you're talking about the mobsters, you're talking about an organization that operates in

01:13:58.900 the criminality.

01:13:59.920 This is a music industry which has what we know of the music industry, levels of violence,

01:14:06.180 intimidation.

01:14:06.840 But yeah, I don't know that this is what the rap industry.

01:14:09.840 I think you should be more.

01:14:10.520 I don't like as much as I dislike Taylor Swift.

01:14:12.940 Nobody thinks Taylor Swift is running an operation like this.

01:14:16.380 It's him and it's the rap world, but it's him in particular.

01:14:20.660 I mean, there's some reason like all these people he know got killed, got shot, got murdered

01:14:24.720 in his industry.

01:14:25.620 And there are questions about what, if anything, Diddy knew about all of that.

01:14:29.620 He was accused of shooting a woman in the face.

01:14:32.040 He's a thug.

01:14:33.140 So let's not pretend, oh, you know, it's impossible.

01:14:36.680 He could be running a criminal enterprise because I beg to differ, gentlemen.

01:14:40.000 It appears very much to me.

01:14:41.620 That's exactly what he was doing.

01:14:43.440 Go ahead, Viva.

01:14:44.560 That there's criminality within the industry.

01:14:46.420 I don't know that that is what people understand when you talk about RICO sex trafficking criminal

01:14:50.660 enterprise.

01:14:51.580 And again, like when I say I'm viewing this through the eyes that what they want to do

01:14:54.900 is muddy this entire thing to get away from the actual to not to bury the lead, to hide

01:14:59.320 the lead.

01:14:59.900 OK, they were involved in every I would say not every rapper, but within a certain industry,

01:15:05.220 everyone's going to be involved in criminality.

01:15:06.520 If that's what's going to be now RICO for the purposes of criminal prosecution.

01:15:09.640 I just don't agree with that.

01:15:10.560 I don't agree.

01:15:10.960 This is extreme.

01:15:11.800 This is extreme behavior.

01:15:13.000 I mean, I would give you that most bands, if you really like looked under the hood, would

01:15:18.660 have a long list of Me Too problems.

01:15:20.820 I'd give you that one and probably drug problems, too.

01:15:23.760 But this is something like threatening murder.

01:15:27.600 Again, allegedly shooting a woman in the face, though that's not coming in.

01:15:30.240 That's separate.

01:15:30.740 That's the whole J-Lo thing back in 2000 that somebody else took the rap for.

01:15:33.660 But the victim says it was Diddy.

01:15:35.600 But he's just got that there's a lot of smoke around Diddy, which can lead a jury to find

01:15:42.700 a fire.

01:15:43.040 And there's actual hardcore proof of criminal acts.

01:15:48.140 Like, there's no question about the prostitutions.

01:15:51.460 There's no question that he beat Cassie Ventura.

01:15:55.200 And not just that once.

01:15:56.620 The evidence is overwhelming of serial beatings of this woman.

01:16:00.100 Um, and not surprisingly now, the supporting cast, the assistants, the sex workers, you know,

01:16:09.060 we're going to have others who are supporting this field of criminality like this act and

01:16:14.140 that act and the other are not the most upstanding people.

01:16:17.600 Go ahead.

01:16:18.980 Well, I'm viewing it again through what they are not disclosing or what is not coming up

01:16:23.860 by way of the RICO sex trafficking.

01:16:25.900 Yes, this is a it's an organization that involves criminality.

01:16:28.920 I think many people would understand that's what the rap industry is.

01:16:32.020 That's how they market it.

01:16:32.880 That's how they label it.

01:16:33.720 If you're going to expand RICO prosecutions to within the music industry, there's criminality.

01:16:38.680 Then, yeah, you're not far off from going to drug addiction and telling people to shut

01:16:42.340 up and don't talk about this or whatever.

01:16:44.280 You're going to prosecute them for RICO.

01:16:45.880 This was sold as Diddy's Mansion being raided because of a network of cameras that rivaled

01:16:51.040 Epstein's blackmail extortion in terms of that.

01:16:54.360 And now it's been reduced to, OK, gangsters acting like gangsters.

01:16:57.860 He's going to get convicted.

01:16:59.200 I mean, my prediction was when the defense starts off with, yeah, he gets violent when

01:17:06.160 he gets jealous, but he's not a sex trafficker.

01:17:08.820 All right.

01:17:09.080 Good.

01:17:09.340 Good luck with that.

01:17:10.580 He's going to get convicted on.

01:17:12.180 But it's my virtue of what he's convicted on.

01:17:14.420 Yeah, I agree with you.

01:17:16.140 I agree with you.

01:17:16.680 And I will also add to that by saying I have been so far underwhelmed with what they found

01:17:22.080 in these raids, which means they either didn't find a lot or we're not seeing all of what

01:17:28.120 they found, to your point, because it's mostly lube and baby oil and some guns, which this

01:17:36.220 is America.

01:17:36.660 You're allowed to have guns.

01:17:37.760 I don't know if these were illegal guns.

01:17:39.280 There was some testimony that some had the serial numbers shaved off of them.

01:17:44.080 That could be potentially problematic.

01:17:45.340 So all of that is allegedly part of it.

01:17:47.820 But it's not the Epstein tapes by far.

01:17:51.660 All right, Phil, let me give you this.

01:17:53.780 There was Cross Has Begun of Capricorn.

01:17:57.400 And it's going pretty well for Diddy, the cross.

01:18:03.060 Now, from this, I don't know whether it wipes out all of the directs.

01:18:06.300 But let me read you what happened so far on Cross.

01:18:09.580 This is via CNN.

01:18:10.920 Defense attorney Mark Agnifolo began by confirming with Capricorn Clark that they had met before

01:18:17.180 Agnifolo, Tenny Garagos.

01:18:20.520 That's another player.

01:18:21.380 So on the prosecution side, you've got James Comey's daughter and then Garagos.

01:18:26.820 Sorry, she's on the defense side.

01:18:29.180 Tenny Garagos is the daughter of Mark Garagos.

01:18:30.900 It's like these legal giants offspring, squaring off against each other.

01:18:34.880 So anyway, defense attorney Agnifolo, defense attorney Tenny Garagos, and another attorney

01:18:40.440 for Sean Combs met with Capricorn Clark on April 10th of 2024.

01:18:48.580 Agnifolo asked Clark to confirm that she told them at that meeting that Combs, quote, wouldn't

01:18:56.140 be in this mess if he had kept her around.

01:18:58.680 And she acknowledged that she did probably say something like that as they discussed

01:19:04.200 the possibility of her returning to work for him as his chief of staff.

01:19:10.980 She also told the lawyers at the meeting Cassie Ventura was not good for Combs.

01:19:17.080 By the way, not for nothing, but the attorney who accompanied Clark to that meeting was the

01:19:21.800 Waldo now of high powered cases.

01:19:23.640 My own lawyer, Brian Friedman, he's everywhere.

01:19:26.640 He's got Baldoni.

01:19:27.880 He had me.

01:19:29.020 He had Gabrielle Union, Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon.

01:19:32.260 He had to he had to do that one.

01:19:34.640 And now, yeah, now he's in the Menendez case and he was with Capricorn Clark at this meeting.

01:19:40.420 But you see what they're going for, Phil, that she appears to as of April of last year

01:19:45.240 been angling to get rehired by this terrible, terrible man who almost committed a murder in

01:19:50.000 her presence.

01:19:50.380 Yeah, and this is why I was saying earlier that, you know, the jury has plenty of reason

01:19:56.100 not to believe this woman.

01:19:57.780 Look, she's saying that Cassie was not good for Combs.

01:20:01.920 I mean, my God, it's Combs that was not good for Cassie or anybody else, apparently.

01:20:07.240 And yet she's saying that she would be, I guess, willing to go back to work as the chief

01:20:12.800 of staff for for this rapper.

01:20:14.800 I don't understand how the prosecution is expecting the jury to even take this woman

01:20:21.140 seriously.

01:20:22.040 My hope is that they're going to strengthen their case with some witnesses in the following

01:20:27.600 days and maybe weeks that you cannot impeach in this way, because clearly this witness has

01:20:35.580 some reason to have some kind of an emotional investment in Combs himself or in the overall

01:20:42.700 enterprise or maybe even in her testimony.

01:20:45.820 And so the jury has plenty of reasons to question it.

01:20:49.080 So I really think that, yeah, like you said, there's plenty of smoke and maybe the jury can

01:20:53.680 find a fire.

01:20:54.520 But the prosecution, if they must clean this up, they must get into some more hard.

01:21:01.300 And I hate to even say this.

01:21:02.400 Hardcore criminal proof of, you know, of crimes, because otherwise the jury.

01:21:08.940 Why do you say that?

01:21:09.700 What about the multiple beatings that he that he gave to Cassie?

01:21:13.720 And you don't you don't think the jury has enough to credit Kid Cudi's suspicion that

01:21:18.100 Diddy dropped a Molotov cocktail in his car.

01:21:21.140 Now it's been backed up by her and by Cassie and by Kid Cudi himself.

01:21:25.160 That alone, seeing the beating with your own eyes, hearing from Cassie's mother, his assistants,

01:21:30.900 security.

01:21:31.860 Now this witness and Kid Cudi, too, about the abuse that Cassie endured over the years.

01:21:36.940 Like there's been multiple, multiple submissions of proof on repeated criminal acts.

01:21:43.560 Yeah, look, I tend to agree that that he probably is guilty of all things, all these things.

01:21:48.260 But my point simply is that from a trial tactics perspective, I think it's bad form for prosecutors

01:21:55.100 to muddy up their case with witnesses that can be impeached this easily.

01:22:00.340 And one thing that a good lawyer can do is at the end of the trial, they can go through

01:22:04.960 this and they can say, look.

01:22:06.300 They needed her because of the December of 2011 day.

01:22:08.960 She both went in the car to Kid Cudi's house and saw Diddy go in there and said and can testify

01:22:15.760 he said he was going to kill him and she could testify about the beatings that she saw of

01:22:22.840 Cassie, which she also supported, and that he attacked her.

01:22:25.260 So I think they needed her and they figured it was worth it to take that hit on her wanting

01:22:30.640 to go back to him.

01:22:32.080 And I don't know how they're going to handle that on Redirect.

01:22:34.100 Go ahead, Viva.

01:22:35.100 I'll just add this as a Canadian attorney who never practiced criminal law.

01:22:38.520 But, you know, when you think of criminal organizations, we are seeing evidence of criminality

01:22:42.240 and cover ups. And there's already laws dealing with that conspiracy, aiding and abetting,

01:22:46.180 whatever. When you're when we're visualizing criminal organizations, what we are visualizing

01:22:51.100 is mob organizations who's true.

01:22:53.720 But the law is as an American lawyer who did practice law for nine years, the law is you

01:22:58.520 only need to predicate acts. That's it. You just need to two acts of illegality and

01:23:02.300 they don't have to be within the statute of limitations. And they've got it. They've got

01:23:05.900 it. You may not like the law, but that's a law. And you do have to have a conspiracy,

01:23:08.880 however. So they have to show that he had an agreement with other people to do some of

01:23:12.360 these criminal acts, which is why the staff now taking the stand and saying, I had to

01:23:16.520 clean. I gave the drugs. I stood by while she was beaten. I went with him to kill Kid

01:23:23.400 Cudi. It's crazy, crazy testimony. Go ahead, Viva.

01:23:27.660 I just want to know, they're reducing these freak offs or these sex things to just P Diddy

01:23:32.900 getting his rocks off, pun intended. Like that's what they've reduced these things down

01:23:36.800 to when they were so much more than that. I know that they started naming some names

01:23:40.300 or some celebrities, but you know, like when Diddy got arrested and people started going

01:23:43.760 back in the internet time and pulling up videos that now in retrospect look highly suspect.

01:23:49.520 The idea that they're reducing these sex parties to Diddy's own personal satisfaction

01:23:54.000 is laughable. And I think it's not realistic that what they're not revealing or what they're

01:23:59.600 covering up is much more sinister and much more wide reaching than just Diddy looking

01:24:04.840 to get his own. Let me ask you this, Viva. I wouldn't be shocked by a verdict that finds

01:24:12.220 him guilty of the RICO count, the racketeering conspiracy, and guilty of transportation of

01:24:19.060 a prostitute and not guilty of sex trafficking because they amassed enough evidence, the defense

01:24:26.320 did, that Cassie kind of went along with the freak offs, at times said at least she wanted

01:24:32.300 the freak offs, or at least, because let's not forget that the sex trafficking by force

01:24:37.000 count requires not only that he forced her by coercion or fraud, it also requires that

01:24:43.980 he knew she didn't want it, that he knew she was being forced. And so the defense is introducing

01:24:50.880 like emails from her, like, I can't wait to freak off again. You know, when do you want

01:24:55.860 it? And that she was the one who called all the sex trafficking, all the sex workers and paid

01:24:59.640 all the sex workers, and that she testified she stayed because she loved the lifestyle.

01:25:04.980 You know, so the defense has got, I don't know, I could see that that count not going their way. But

01:25:09.460 the whole RICO count is kind of like he built this criminal enterprise and did all these terrible

01:25:14.060 things in order to enable the freak offs. So could you have a conviction on RICO and not on

01:25:20.960 sex trafficking? Would that make sense?

01:25:23.980 I wouldn't venture any sort of professional opinion there. But my prediction would be the

01:25:28.940 exact inverse that he's going to get convicted on the transportation for prostitution, maybe on the

01:25:34.300 because I think it's very easy. It will be not very easy. But the evidence is there now to

01:25:38.960 lend credibility to the argument that Cassie was definitely physically beaten, extorted into it and

01:25:44.720 coerced into it. So I think that's there. Then I think, you know, you get an acquittal or a non-conviction

01:25:50.260 on the RICO, but he still goes to jail for 10, 20 years. I don't know if they run them

01:25:53.960 concurrent or or or or what's the the other one consecutive consecutive. But no, I think they get

01:25:59.960 them on the easiest one right off the bat. The evidence is there. And I think it's not hard to

01:26:03.800 show the coercion. Nobody wants to have a freak off when they're having a urinary tract infection.

01:26:07.520 She was physically all they need to know. And if it happened once, it happened more than once

01:26:11.760 to say that she freely did anything. I don't think any reasonable jury members.

01:26:15.320 And the other thing that we're not accounting for here, Phil, is by this point in the trial,

01:26:20.540 the jury hates him, hates him. Look, I think they've done. Look, whether or not they've proven

01:26:28.820 each of these counts beyond a reasonable doubt, time will tell. I think they're going to have

01:26:32.820 some chances to clean it up. I think that two or three weeks from now, not only will the jury hate

01:26:37.440 him, but I imagine they will have heard from some witnesses that don't have this this type of let's

01:26:43.220 just call it colorful cross-examination that the defense can get into. And two weeks from now,

01:26:49.400 if we come back and do this again, I think we're going to look at this trial in a completely

01:26:53.100 different light. But it's absolutely possible you could have inconsistent verdicts. It's impossible.

01:26:59.120 It's possible you could have a mixed verdict. I don't think it's likely that he would walk on

01:27:03.600 all counts, but it's certainly going to be interesting to do a retrospective look at what

01:27:08.380 this jury was thinking about at each step of this particular trial.

01:27:13.340 I'll give you guys one more thing and then we'll take a break. The superseding indictment,

01:27:18.680 the most recent indictment, alleges there are three victims of his in this sort of sex trafficking

01:27:23.320 lane, and then we believe the jury would hear from them. Now we understand only two will be heard

01:27:31.660 from. We've been reporting this, but now it's confirmed that victim three is not expected to

01:27:37.360 testify. She's been identified as victim three. Three sources familiar with the case told CNN

01:27:41.840 this is the woman who's been referred to as Gina throughout the trial. She's an ex-girlfriend of

01:27:47.040 Combs. The defense's theory is that he was cheating on Cassie with Gina and possibly others,

01:27:52.340 and that Cassie was blind with jealousy. And most of her complaints about him related to the fact

01:27:58.680 that he was with Gina and she was very angry and yelling at him. In any event, what we believed

01:28:06.420 was that Gina was going to take the stand. Now we think she's not because the source is saying to CNN,

01:28:13.340 she just didn't want to do it, did not want to take the stand. But she was referenced in the indictment

01:28:17.780 as part of the raconteering conspiracy count. It says that Combs and his associates wielded his power

01:28:23.720 through his business empire to intimidate, threaten, and lure at least three female victims,

01:28:27.640 one, two, and three under the pretense of a romantic relationship and coerced them into engaging in

01:28:34.460 commercial sex acts. Prosecutors allege some of these sex acts known as freak offs involve male

01:28:40.680 sex workers who were transported across city or state lines. Here is that woman. Now there is a belief

01:28:48.120 that they can still get some of this in this testimony. I don't know how, because you have a right to

01:28:53.040 confront your accuser and to cross examine. So I'm not sure if they can get this in or not,

01:28:56.820 but I did read somewhere that the prosecution aims to get some of her allegations in there,

01:29:02.400 even if she doesn't take the stand. Here she is. She gave an interview on a show called Unwind

01:29:08.320 with Tasha Kaye on June 14th of 2019. And, um, let's play SOT 31 first.

01:29:18.140 He had caught me texting another man. We was in Miami and, um,

01:29:24.680 it got really crazy at that time. Uh, um, we was upstairs and he, he had like, we were in his

01:29:40.260 closet and he like pushed me and I fell to the ground and, um, and then he got, he like stood over

01:29:47.240 me. So I was like laying on my back and he stood over me and he started like punching me like this.

01:29:54.980 Like he avoided my face, but he like started punching me like on the side of my head and I

01:30:00.120 was just like covering my face. And, um, he did that. He did that. And then, and then after he got

01:30:08.300 done doing that, he like, cause he was standing, his legs were like staying in between me. So he like,

01:30:14.720 he like stomped on my stomach like really hard. And I like took the wind out of my breath. I

01:30:22.860 couldn't even, I couldn't breathe. And he kept, but he kept hitting me. And I was like pleading to him.

01:30:27.820 Like, can you just, can you stop? To the point we just made, like if the jury gets wind of that,

01:30:38.260 like, it's just, it's a pattern. First of all, she looks eerily similar to Cassie Ventura does. And

01:30:44.600 she, obviously he had a type and like, I don't know if they get that in any way, Phil, I don't

01:30:49.940 think there's any way of getting that, that, that tape in. Right. But if the jury hears any of that,

01:30:54.780 it's going to be tough to discard. Well, if you look at what she's saying, I mean,

01:30:58.640 there's evidence and testimony that, you know, he punched, you know, Cassie in the stump. This seems

01:31:04.260 like a pattern, a specific pattern of, of behavior. It's almost like his criminal signature. And there

01:31:10.040 are ways under the rules of evidence to get in hearsay. If the declarant is unavailable,

01:31:15.560 if there is like sufficient indications of, uh, believability and truthfulness and veracity,

01:31:21.880 when, when the hearsay declarant is unavailable and unavailability might mean a refusal to testify

01:31:29.080 or a, uh, the fact that she's under subpoena and she's just not corrupt, corrupt, cooperating and

01:31:35.160 showing up to court. So what we don't know is strategically how they're going to offer this

01:31:40.080 evidence, what specific evidence they're going to offer it. And then under what theory of the,

01:31:45.440 the federal rules of evidence they're going to offer it. So it's possible the jury could still

01:31:50.000 hear some of that, but it's, we just have to wait and see how they do it. I'll give you one more of

01:31:54.020 Eva. Uh, here, she's talking about, well, let's just play it. It's not 30. Well, I told him and he was

01:32:01.560 like, he was like, you're going to get an abortion. Right. And then I was like, um, I don't know.

01:32:09.880 Uh, I don't know yet. And then, and then he offered me 50,000 to get rid of it, but I turned

01:32:17.900 it down because, um, I just, I just loved him. And I just, uh, and I wanted, I wanted to, I was like

01:32:27.200 trying to prove that I wasn't the girl

01:32:30.920 that was wanting him for money. When I, um, had the second abortion, he, um,

01:32:41.280 I had to go home like the next, I had to go home two days later cause he had to, um, go on a trip

01:32:50.020 to Burning Man. To Burning Man? To Burning Man, which is in Nevada. It's like a, a festival in

01:32:57.340 the desert. Okay. So I had to go through that and then he went to Burning Man and just, he just

01:33:07.740 left me like fucked up. Oh, just, just want to make clear. We believe that's Gina and it's victim

01:33:15.860 number three. The New York Times says victim number three, um, is shown there. And we believe

01:33:21.640 that's Gina. So just to be clear on where we got that information from, go ahead, Viva.

01:33:25.160 The state, the, the obvious abject degeneracy, but, but set that aside. And again, Canadian lawyer

01:33:30.580 never practiced criminal law, but we know the standard. Very smart man.

01:33:34.800 Robative value needs to outweigh the prejudicial nature or the unduly prejudicial nature of the

01:33:38.920 evidence. Uh, one would argue what's unduly prejudicial about another woman explaining exactly

01:33:44.820 what we already see on camera of him doing to Cassie. And I would also imagine maybe there's

01:33:48.820 a way of subpoenaing the podcaster to have it admitted as evidence, not as the truthfulness

01:33:53.040 of the statements made, but rather just that it happened. This is what she said and you can

01:33:56.840 take it at its face value or not. But it's, uh, again, uh, I would argue what would, if you

01:34:02.640 want to get this in as admissible hearsay and the argument is going to be, does the probative

01:34:07.440 value outweigh the unduly prejudicial nature of it? It's on video. We, we know that this

01:34:12.200 is his MO. It's part of his defense. He gets angry and violent when he gets jealous.

01:34:16.640 Okay. Maybe the defense will submit it as an exhibit because it supports their evidence.

01:34:20.400 He gets violent and angry when he gets jealous, but he's not a Rico sex trafficker. Good luck

01:34:24.860 with that defense.

01:34:26.200 I, I hear those testimonials and I want someone in prison to do that to him. I really do. I,

01:34:33.740 what kind of a man beats a woman like that. And she beats any woman, but these women are

01:34:41.800 half his size. I mean, he actually has himself convinced if this is true, he's some sort of a

01:34:48.880 tough guy. He's going to put them in their place. They couldn't have defended themselves

01:34:54.980 unless they had a gun. Literally. These are very thin, gorgeous, young, obviously not physically

01:35:03.080 strong and frankly, maybe not mentally strong women whom he clearly exploited and got off on

01:35:11.680 torturing. I mean, they are painting the picture of a sadist sitting there at defense table with his

01:35:19.820 little gray hair now and his reading glasses and his Bible and his little sweater with his crew neck.

01:35:25.580 It's a lie the way he he's being presented by the defense. And I have heard enough to never want to

01:35:32.520 see this man run free again. That's my own opinion on it. All right, guys, stand by. We're

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01:38:50.360 Let's talk about Kohlberger, Brian Kohlberger, because the shit hit the fan in that case after that

01:38:56.160 Dateline episode. So we talked about the Dateline episode on this show after it hit, which was two

01:39:01.920 weeks ago now, and they had all sorts of amazing scoops. And I mean, I've told the audience, which

01:39:09.140 is to let you guys know, it's fine to like Dateline. You cannot watch the Today Show. I forbid it. You

01:39:14.540 cannot both watch the Today Show and this show, but you're allowed to like Dateline because those are

01:39:19.100 good people. Um, and they got amazing scoops, amazing scoops, including videotape of his, well,

01:39:27.320 well, of a white Hyundai Elantra on the night of the murders of those four Idaho college students,

01:39:33.660 Brian Kohlberger, who was getting his PhD at nearby Washington state university as the suspect

01:39:38.560 and had a white Hyundai Elantra. And the, you know, the belief is that the prosecution will argue

01:39:44.520 that's his, but Dateline got the tapes of the white Hyundai Elantra going past their house,

01:39:50.600 like over and over and over. It looks like he was casing the joint just moments before

01:39:54.840 the murders were committed. It, one could presume he was waiting for all the lights to be turned off

01:39:59.700 because it was like in the 3am hour, but these are college students. So they're out late and the

01:40:04.380 lights were on. And we believe at least two of them were still up even when he entered the house.

01:40:08.740 Anyway, they got, hold on, there's so much more. I'm just going to give you a couple of lists.

01:40:14.520 Standby. Search history on the internet, looking up porn. Search history. Look at that. Viva knows

01:40:22.340 he checked out. He had to look up those same searches for research. The funny thing is,

01:40:28.140 I, you know, I didn't see the Dateline. I don't watch TV anymore, but I read what they had.

01:40:31.960 They've convinced me that he's guilty. And I say that cynically. Yes. Like they convinced me

01:40:36.260 because it's a one-sided expose of leaked information. And then the flip side, I'm getting

01:40:40.860 cynical. All right. So the dude's looking up porn, add him to the list of 90,

01:40:44.520 88% of men out there. He's looking up Ted Bundy. He's studying criminology at university.

01:40:49.460 They have some footage of a vehicle. That's, that's getting there. But the, the, the, the,

01:40:54.060 the, the, I would say the killer evidence, the, the best piece of evidence is that speck of DNA on a,

01:40:58.340 on a knife holster. That's all they got. It was an evening of a struggle.

01:41:02.300 That's all they got. The guy was shoving his trash into little plastic baggies to be disposed of in

01:41:08.100 the neighbor's trash fell when the cops burst into his parents' home and raided it.

01:41:13.560 Yeah, sure. There's a lot of, you know, and circumstantial evidence has put a lot of people

01:41:17.580 in prison in the United States, uh, over the years and it will continue to do so. So you put all this

01:41:23.140 together and it does paint a very damning picture, but here's my concern. If, if somebody violated the

01:41:29.000 gag order, what if this judge says, okay, we're not going to let the jury hear this because that's

01:41:34.340 going to be my remedy for violating my gag order. It could very well happen that because of this leak,

01:41:40.820 somebody who's a, a guilty murderer walks free. That's exactly right. That's why we can hate

01:41:49.420 Dateline. No, it's not the reporter's fault. It's the, it's whoever leaked. It's that person's fault.

01:41:54.080 It's not up to Dateline to protect the integrity of the prosecution. It, we, we in the press have no

01:41:58.560 obligation to do that. If we get a scoop and if somebody had given me the scoop, I would have run with

01:42:02.700 it too. Um, it's, it's up to the leaker to protect the investigation. And there's far more that they

01:42:09.580 revealed. And Ann Taylor, the name of his Brian Colbert defense lawyer is saying that she wants,

01:42:16.740 um, remedies. She wants, uh, they say, she says the violations could warrant remedies more serious

01:42:24.620 than delay because what's, I kind of bury the lead. She's, this has come up because she's pushed for

01:42:30.600 a delay of the trial, which is set for this August. And she's saying, we can't do it. This is too much

01:42:37.460 was revealed in too high profile a manner for us to a, just run to trial. It's still in people's

01:42:44.480 heads and it shouldn't be the court ruled that it shouldn't be. The court put a gag order on this

01:42:49.180 case, including the evidence. And there's a reason for that. He didn't want to prejudice the

01:42:54.040 defendant before trial. It's a death penalty case. And yet somebody violated it. So it would appear

01:42:59.020 and he is prejudiced. So we do not agree to this August trial and you should, you should bounce it.

01:43:05.400 She says to the judge. And then she says that line in her motion saying violate these violations could

01:43:11.500 warrant remedies more serious than delay. And that's teeing up what Phil just said, which is

01:43:18.320 maybe the prosecution should not be allowed to use these things. Like if, if they find out that a law

01:43:23.720 enforcement officer or somebody in the prosecution's office, my money would be on the four, on the

01:43:27.940 former. I just don't think the prosecution would do it, but I law enforcement is tend to be, they tend

01:43:32.560 to be kind of leaky, um, that you should punish the prosecution. Like don't let them introduce, for

01:43:38.360 example, the videotape of the white Hyundai Elantra circling the murder house over and over and over in the

01:43:45.000 hours immediately leading up to the murder. And here is not for nothing, but, um, Keith Morrison on the

01:43:53.760 new card car footage. And that now problematic dateline that aired May 9th, listen to SOT 33.

01:43:59.260 Or is this just, yeah, is this a SOT you guys, or is this video?

01:44:03.220 This video obtained exclusively by Dateline shows a white car on King road in Moscow, Idaho on November

01:44:09.020 13th, 2022. At the wheel, the state will allege was Brian Kohlberger making repeated passes near a

01:44:15.320 house where minutes later, four students were stabbed to death. Here's a little bit more on his

01:44:22.060 internet searches, which we kind of touched on just a bit, but here's a little bit more on his

01:44:27.460 obsession with Ted Bundy. In late December, six weeks after the murders of Maddie Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves,

01:44:33.300 Zana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin records show Kohlberger, the criminology student was again on his phone

01:44:39.780 playing a clip from a YouTube program called Ted Bundy, the essence of a psychopath. Within 24 hours

01:44:47.940 of that two selfies Kohlberger dressed the same way Bundy is pictured on that program. Exactly, exactly the

01:44:56.100 same, very creepy. And on top of that Dateline revealed we had heard this was possible before the

01:45:02.760 Dateline episode. This is the first I know where it was confirmed, um, by anybody. And it's about

01:45:08.620 that K bar knife. Keep in mind for the listening audience, the murder was committed. Uh, they said

01:45:13.880 with a K bar knife, um, that they never found, but they did find a knife sheath that appears to match

01:45:20.500 the murder weapon on site. That's what Viva referenced. One spot of touch DNA was recovered from the snap

01:45:28.280 on that knife sheath that was ultimately matched directly to Brian Kohlberger, but they never did

01:45:33.400 find the murder weapon. Uh, but they revealed again, we had heard that this may have been the case,

01:45:39.100 but this is the first I heard it actually confirmed and reported that Kohlberger went to buy another

01:45:44.120 K bar knife on Amazon right after the murders. Sot 36. After the murders, investigators discovered a

01:45:52.300 sheath from a K bar knife apparently left by the killer in one of the victim's beds. DNA found on

01:45:57.960 that sheath has been linked to Brian Kohlberger. Dateline was the first to report that Kohlberger bought

01:46:03.340 a K bar knife seven months before the murders. And now we've obtained records showing that after the

01:46:08.980 murders, Kohlberger was back on Amazon looking at K bars. He even clicked buy now and began the

01:46:15.720 checkout process before exiting. Okay. And that was new information guys, because what had been

01:46:21.640 reported earlier was that he may have gone on Amazon and was looking at that. I think that was

01:46:27.780 the term was looking at K bar knives, but, and, and somebody defended him by saying, well, or he,

01:46:35.280 he had reportedly said, or his lawyer had said, um, Amazon serves that stuff up to you, you know,

01:46:41.320 like you don't control. And, and it might've been somebody even in his family account who was

01:46:46.760 looking for knives. And now we hear from the Dateline that he clicked, like that he was going

01:46:53.340 to buy, click to buy. So like, that's, he definitely got this from law enforcement guys who, Phil, who

01:46:58.140 else would have this amount of detail and turned over evidence, gave him surveillance video.

01:47:04.520 Well, my instinct is similar to yours. I don't suspect it was any of the attorneys related to

01:47:11.840 the prosecution team. Law enforcement, as you mentioned, does tend to be leakier, um, as a

01:47:18.400 general rule. Of course, we don't know until the investigation reveals who the leaker is in this case,

01:47:24.020 but my money would be that it's somewhere in the sort of investigative team on the law enforcement

01:47:29.180 side. But here's the problem. The judge is between a rock and a hard place because on the

01:47:34.420 one hand, somebody clearly violated this gag order and there's got to be a penalty for that.

01:47:39.220 On the other hand, if the judge completely guts the prosecution's case and, and excludes all of this

01:47:45.580 very, very powerful evidence, that remedy would be very extreme because it probably would lead to,

01:47:52.680 uh, the acquittal of someone who killed probably four people. So the judge is not going to want to

01:47:58.460 necessarily do that. So he's certainly not going to, the judge is not going to throw out the,

01:48:03.240 the indictment. Uh, that's not going to happen either. I think what's going to happen is they're

01:48:08.360 going to find out who did this and they're going to throw somebody in jail for contempt of court.

01:48:13.600 And there may be other, um, less severe things that are related directly to the prosecution's

01:48:18.560 evidentiary presentation. But if we had to guess, I'm going to say that they're not going to,

01:48:23.140 uh, completely throw this evidence out of the, out of the case. It can be used,

01:48:27.640 but somebody is going to pay a price for this leak. They, they, somebody played with fire Viva,

01:48:33.520 because this is good evidence for the prosecution. And if it's somebody on team prosecute, whether

01:48:39.720 it's cops or investigators or the DA's office, they're playing with fire. This is great stuff

01:48:46.200 that you would never want excluded as the DA. I think Dateline's playing with fire with this. I mean,

01:48:51.500 you know, we refer to it as a leak. This isn't a leak. This is the whole thing. Like someone had

01:48:55.520 access to the file. And I questioned whether or not someone stole the file, forget whether or not

01:48:59.900 it was leaked. And Dateline-

01:49:02.020 Camo? Camo didn't steal the file. He would, he would never.

01:49:06.440 Dateline running this three months before, no, it's two months before jury selection.

01:49:10.780 They have to know what they're going to do to the trial on this. And I'm all for freedom of the

01:49:14.220 press. If there's no but to that, I just say after they've gone after James O'Keefe, you know,

01:49:18.320 probably, you know, investigated him for having accessed Ashley Biden's diary, you know,

01:49:23.000 there's some serious questions as to whether or not journalists might have partaken in criminal

01:49:26.980 activity in order to obtain this entire file and then make a one-sided expose on the eve of the

01:49:33.280 trial. I think this case was one that had a change in jurisdiction as well because of how-

01:49:36.880 Yeah. Yes.

01:49:37.880 So this is like, this is almost sabotage of the trial. Maybe someone's got a crush on Kohlberg,

01:49:42.840 you know, for those who study Ted Bundy, there's a bunch of people who fall in love with serial killers,

01:49:46.440 but I think Dateline is playing with fire by having published this because this,

01:49:51.020 this is the trial before the trial.

01:49:54.480 Very, very attracted to the story that casts NBC in a bad light, but I have to defend them here.

01:50:01.140 I just think it's not their responsibility. If somebody gave me that evidence, I would 100%

01:50:06.020 air it. It's a huge scoop. And it's not the journalist's job to look out for the integrity

01:50:10.640 of the trial. That's the job of the people who have access to the info. Now, I normally would

01:50:14.500 have thought, Viva, that he was a family member, you know, like usually when there's leaks about

01:50:19.120 something like this and because the family's upset about the gag orders, the families are,

01:50:22.920 or at least some of them are, they think they should be able to talk about anything. But there's

01:50:27.960 no way this is a family member. There's, they don't give the surveillance evidence and the search

01:50:32.260 evidence, like in great detail with the exact quotes to the family members. And like the Ted Bundy

01:50:38.460 photograph, it's identical by the way, for listening audience to the one, the selfie he took of himself

01:50:42.640 and the one that appeared in that Ted Bundy documentary he was watching on YouTube.

01:50:45.780 It's like he styled it immediately after. That's him in his dark charcoal gray, it looks like,

01:50:51.460 sweatshirt. He looks so disturbing. I just, I can't get past how scary this guy is.

01:50:59.720 He looks like the Grim Reaper in this picture, like literally.

01:51:01.940 He does.

01:51:02.900 It was so effective because the evidence on the one hand is circumstantial, but also on the other

01:51:07.480 hand, some of that evidence is damning, like damn damning, having bought the knife and then

01:51:11.940 having bought another one after where he presumably disposed of the knife. I mean, that is, that is

01:51:16.580 pretty damning circumstantial evidence to have broadcast this on the eve of jury selection,

01:51:22.020 knowing the nature of the case. It looks like something of overt sabotage or, you know,

01:51:27.000 someone got the scoop.

01:51:28.740 Okay.

01:51:29.780 I like it. Just keep talking. I mean, it's fine if I disagree. I, the, I want the audience to go your

01:51:34.300 way. I have to own my bias. Wait, I just want to tell him a couple, a couple more of the things

01:51:40.760 that were on there. Um, the Dateline episode that resulted in this problem that he, um, not only

01:51:46.680 watched the Ted Bundy, uh, documentary, but you know, research Ted Bundy that he kept bikini pictures

01:51:51.900 of students from, uh, the Idaho, the university of Idaho and Washington state, uh, on his phone.

01:51:59.960 I mean, I don't know. I don't think random, I'm just not sure. Like it's not weird for a college

01:52:05.500 age guy to have bikini photos of girls, I guess, but like, it's a little creepy when, you know,

01:52:09.780 this guy had a lot of trouble with women. A lot of women who were in his class where he was a TA

01:52:15.440 getting his PhD said he was a total misogynist that he definitely had a problem with women.

01:52:21.060 And yet he's on there with like little bikini photos with very large breasted women from his

01:52:25.500 university and the neighboring. And he said, just, he looks like a disgusting pervert. Okay.

01:52:28.640 Going on, um, that in late September, 2022, the murder was in December, sorry, November,

01:52:38.180 2022 in September, he searched terms, including sociopathic traits in college student. Okay.

01:52:45.540 It's not, not great. And porn containing the keywords drugged and sleeping, which is a particular

01:52:55.340 kind of freaky porn where people get off on having sex with people who are incapacitated. Um, in October,

01:53:02.160 the very next month, this now we're one month before the murders, he searched, can psychopaths

01:53:06.860 behave pro socially? In the days following the murders, he searched for university of Idaho

01:53:12.900 murders. Well, so did everyone in the country virtually because we wanted to know. So that's not

01:53:17.760 damning after the murders took that jarring, creepy selfie inspired by the video of Ted Bundy. And

01:53:24.000 Oh, the final one, he searched for the song after the, uh, after the, um, murders and the day before

01:53:30.900 being arrested, he searched for the song criminal by Britney Spears. He wanted like the extra creepy

01:53:37.080 slowed down version. So it's all that plus the Hyundai Elantra tape, plus the details about

01:53:43.580 Ethan Chapin appearing to have been the last of the four targeted. And by the way, the sequence of

01:53:48.960 the killings that was revealed by this dateline episode, um, how they believe Maddie, Maddie

01:53:53.520 Mogan was the primary target and he killed her first. Then he did Kaylee, who was, this is an

01:53:58.520 accusation. He denies all guilt, who was sleeping in the bed with her, then went back down to the

01:54:02.160 second floor where Ethan and Zanna Cronodal were still awake that he killed Zanna. Um, I, I believe

01:54:09.900 they said he chased her down the hall and killed her in the bedroom. And then Ethan was asleep

01:54:15.940 and he, they said he carved his lower legs with a blade, all of that extraordinary fail and brand

01:54:23.460 stinking new. You know, what this looks like to me, uh, is he's, he's maybe becoming, um, maybe by

01:54:32.140 design, maybe he wants to become, uh, the, you know, the next Ted Bundy, because why else would he even

01:54:37.400 consider buying another knife like that? Because is he trying to duplicate? Is he trying to do it

01:54:43.220 again? Uh, that's what makes this whole thing so really, really frightening. It's obvious this man

01:54:49.040 was disturbed. Um, the evidence, if you look at the individual parts, maybe the pictures of the

01:54:55.740 college girls in bikinis, if you just had that in a vacuum, uh, maybe it would not, um, mean much,

01:55:02.400 but when you put all of it together, I think it really paints an overwhelming picture of a,

01:55:09.240 a guilty person, a guilty mind, and quite frankly, a very, very disturbed, deranged mind. Um, this is

01:55:17.800 an individual who, in my opinion, knew what he was. He knew that he had psychiatric issues. He knew he had

01:55:24.260 maybe sociopathic tendencies and he was researching it and ultimately got to the point where he just felt

01:55:30.740 like he was going to have to just act out on these things that may have been fantastical in his brain,

01:55:37.080 but it became to the point where he just needed to go ahead and do it. And that's what's so frightening

01:55:42.320 is that there are people like that out there. Let me ask you this, as somebody who does criminal

01:55:45.600 defense, um, it's very strange to me that in the same person, you could have someone who is so,

01:55:53.600 and I don't mean this in a kind way, but a factual way, so brilliant that he could commit a quadruple

01:56:02.160 murder in 12 minutes without leaving behind one strand of his hair, any of his own skin, apart from

01:56:11.840 that one dot on the knife sheath. I'm going to get to that, that he didn't transfer blood that must have

01:56:19.760 gotten on him out of the house, into his car at all. And they dissected that thing like a seventh

01:56:27.320 grader with a frog in school when the frog was already dead. Anyway, um, they, they poured through

01:56:34.180 that car. They ripped it apart compartment by compartment, not, not a speck of hair evidence,

01:56:38.640 blood evidence, nothing back at his apartment. I mean, the meticulous planning he would have had to

01:56:44.400 engage in to pull that off. And yet if the prosecution's right, and this is our guy,

01:56:50.480 it's the same guy who left behind the knife sheath with his DNA. So clearly he hadn't rubbed it down to

01:56:59.040 the point where he got rid of that. The same guy who turned off his cell phone as he left the

01:57:05.460 Washington state for the university of Idaho, just for those like four hours, it was, it was always on,

01:57:12.140 you know, the nights before it didn't magically go off for four hour periods overnight. Like some

01:57:17.240 of us put it on airplane mode every night we go to bed. No, those patterns are not emerging.

01:57:21.940 Like he, there was an anomaly where he turned off the phone just for the four hours of like

01:57:26.160 around the murder. He drove his own car. He didn't factor in neighboring, you know,

01:57:33.080 surveillance cameras that would show his car circling over and over and over and over and over again.

01:57:37.800 He didn't protect his Amazon search. He did it obviously under his own name.

01:57:42.820 He didn't think that they could find this stuff. They could, they could find that he bought a K-Bar

01:57:46.160 knife before and that he went after or that they would be able to find his searches after the fact.

01:57:51.220 He like, I don't quite understand how you can have that level of brilliance and carelessness in the

01:57:57.340 same criminal. Well, I don't believe that he was brilliant. I think that the things that you just

01:58:02.600 talked about showed mistakes that were honestly very amateurish. I mean, who doesn't know that

01:58:08.620 everybody's got a ring camera and who doesn't know that law enforcement can't see everything that

01:58:14.460 you do on your smartphone, including what you buy and look at on Amazon. So it's like he,

01:58:20.600 he planned this to a point, but he, he was sloppy. He did not plan it as much as maybe the perfect

01:58:28.040 criminal would need to have planned it. I think he was honestly not as smart as he thinks he is.

01:58:32.660 He's not as smart as he would like to others to believe that he is. And he made foolish mistakes.

01:58:39.200 And these are the things that ultimately are going to send him to prison for the rest of his life.

01:58:43.020 But one thing we can tell from all this is that he planned this. He put a lot of thought into it

01:58:48.280 and that shows he's got an abandoned and a malignant heart, one that's not capable of being

01:58:53.300 rehabilitated. And there's nothing else that makes sense other than him, other than for him to never

01:59:00.360 breathe free air again. This was a, this was a pre-planned, premeditated, horrific killing,

01:59:07.260 snuffing out the lives of four young Americans who had everything in their future, just waiting for

01:59:13.700 them. And he stole it from them. Okay. Well, more as we get it on whether the judge does postpone the

01:59:19.800 trial. Um, and, or, you know, God forbid worse, uh, like deprives the prosecution of using some

01:59:26.120 evidence. I think she, I don't know if she'll be able to get to the bottom of who did it. You know,

01:59:29.660 no one's going to admit it. I think the people who leaked it would probably lie under oath too.

01:59:33.380 Um, if given a declaration or an affidavit, they're not just going to roll over. Go ahead,

01:59:36.940 Viva. You wanted to say something. It's going to be some paper trail there to the leak. If it was a

01:59:40.800 leak or to the theft, if it was a theft or someone left a briefcase and it was picked up. Uh, but you know,

01:59:44.800 just to the element of, uh, you know, him being super smart and ingenious or, or, uh, what was

01:59:49.620 the word? Well, intelligence. Oh yeah. Brilliant and careless. Brilliant and careless. You know,

01:59:55.460 to the extent that he has been, I don't know if officially diagnosed as, as on the spectrum,

01:59:59.800 he was, you know, described as being a very bizarre person. You can have lawyers say he is.

02:00:04.860 Yeah. And it makes, it might make a little sense. I'm not trying to write anything off in terms of

02:00:09.560 mental conditions. It could explain the incredible insight or, you know, the, the, the preparation

02:00:14.980 for certain things. And then in so much as he couldn't read social cues, recklessness with

02:00:20.360 respect to other. Oh yeah. Like they're going to search and know that you were on Amazon buying a

02:00:24.220 knife. If indeed this was your plan, maybe he thought he'll leave a signature. If indeed he did it.

02:00:29.360 Um, I'm the only question I have is given now what has been revealed of the extent of the fight,

02:00:35.280 at least chasing down the third victim. And apparently from what the report said, he sat

02:00:39.560 in a chair and there was evidence of that there had been a struggle, you know, to the extent there's

02:00:44.100 not one speck of DNA other than the speck on that sheet, which is also weird to have found at the

02:00:49.360 crime scene to the extent of the other DNA there anywhere in the car. I mean, there's methodical

02:00:56.380 cleaning and then there's impossible to explain levels of cleaning. So that's the, from the defense

02:01:01.420 perspective where I, you know, I have my biggest question, how is it even conceivable that

02:01:05.220 there was no DNA other than that speck on that knife? But, um, you know, someone can be extremely

02:01:10.140 intelligent in certain respects and then absolutely clueless in others. I mean, I think that's what we

02:01:14.800 clearly have here because someone committed those murders and it's not like they found some other

02:01:20.540 guy's DNA all over those bedrooms. And, you know, now the defense is reportedly getting ready to argue

02:01:25.520 that there were two spots of blood. They don't know whose blood it was. And that those are our real

02:01:31.840 killers, but okay. I mean, we'll see what happens with that. I don't believe it, but anyway. Okay.

02:01:36.340 I want to move on before we go to Baldoni and Lively where there is an interesting update. So Baldoni's team

02:01:44.360 subpoenaed Taylor Swift. Um, they wanted Taylor Swift to, uh, I guess, produce documents and release her

02:01:56.960 texts, at least those between Taylor and, uh, Blake Lively and Taylor's team objected. And then some

02:02:06.120 other stuff happened, which I'm going to get to, but the long and the short of it is back to Brian

02:02:10.020 Friedman. He withdrew the subpoena for Taylor Swift and Taylor Swift's lawyers came out. A spokesperson

02:02:16.580 said, Oh, we're pleased that Baldoni's legal team has withdrawn. They're harassing subpoenas to Taylor

02:02:22.180 Swift and her law firm. We supported the efforts of Taylor's team to quash these inappropriate

02:02:29.200 subpoenas directed to her counsel. And we will continue to stand up for any third party who is

02:02:33.420 unjustly harassed or threatened in the process. Uh, let's see. Was that, oh, that was a spokesperson

02:02:40.800 for Lively. Forgive me. That was a spokesperson for Blake Lively. Okay. Now the interesting twist,

02:02:47.760 however, comes from a daily mail report, the worm turns the daily mail reports that the reason the

02:02:59.120 subpoena was withdrawn is that Taylor Swift's own father, Scott Swift reportedly went to Justin's team

02:03:10.720 with the bombshell claim that Blake Lively threatened to leak his daughter's texts.

02:03:18.480 If Taylor Swift did not publicly support her quote, Scott Swift did not want his daughter,

02:03:27.280 Taylor to be dragged into this any further. And he voluntarily gave up this information as part of a

02:03:33.240 deal that would include Baldoni's team withdrawing their subpoena for Taylor and insider alleged to

02:03:42.700 the daily mail on Friday. Baldoni's lawyer, still reading here from the daily mail, Brian Friedman may

02:03:49.120 be alleged threat public in a court filing this month, claiming a source now believed to be Taylor

02:03:56.140 Taylor Swift's father, informed him that Blake Lively's lawyer brought the demand to Taylor Swift's law firm,

02:04:05.520 meaning demanded to Taylor Swift's people that she needed to, um,

02:04:14.600 support Blake Lively or see her texts revealed.

02:04:20.280 Brought Friedman also said the source said that Lively once requested that Taylor Swift delete all

02:04:27.660 of her texts with Lively Lively's attorney denied Friedman's allegation in a statement to the New

02:04:36.360 York post. This is categorically false. We unequivocally deny all of these so-called allegations,

02:04:41.420 which are cowardly sourced cowardly sourced to supposed anonymous sources. They're going to have to

02:04:49.620 work on their statements and completely untethered from reality. Okay. So that's, that's a very

02:04:55.620 interesting story, Viva. And I got to say, very believable. Well, I can say my wife is more interested

02:05:02.840 in this story than I was, and she was more up to speed with the Justin Baldoni thing. Uh, what's,

02:05:08.160 what's very interesting, look, as having been a lawyer for 13 years civil, there's nothing,

02:05:13.260 everybody thinks it's harassing to get a subpoena, but me thinks the lady doth protest too much.

02:05:18.100 These harassing subpoenas and these cowardly deeds, my goodness, uh, the five months of email

02:05:24.940 exchanges between Taylor Swift and Blake Lively could certainly be relevant to the machinations

02:05:31.460 of the manufacturing of the sexual harassment allegations or the threats. You'd better defend

02:05:36.200 me. I, you know, there's something I read these things now. So now I know more than I ever wanted

02:05:39.640 to know that Taylor Swift and, uh, Ryan Reynolds were the dragons of, of, of, of Blake Lively,

02:05:45.620 which means like her guard dogs and that someone would say it's harassing. Blake is the Khaleesi

02:05:50.760 figure. And Taylor is just a mere dragon who has to protect Blake and do what Blake tells her.

02:05:56.220 Never seen any of these. I have no idea what those words mean. I just know what the relevance of the

02:05:59.820 content, the idea that it's a nonsense. Nobody likes getting a subpoena, but my goodness, the fact

02:06:05.200 that they've already gotten the texts that are in the subpoena might lend a little bit more credence

02:06:09.900 to the allegation of the accusation that there were demands made to delete these. What I just

02:06:14.620 don't understand him. Maybe both of you can explain it. The judge really came down hard on the lawyer

02:06:18.980 threatening sanctions. If they abuse of the judicial process again, which I thought was mildly uncalled

02:06:23.820 for. Cause I didn't think everything was abusive in the first place to issue a subpoena just because

02:06:27.680 it's Taylor Swift doesn't mean she doesn't get subpoenaed. Yeah, I agree. I'm not sure why the,

02:06:32.440 the, the lawyer or the judge was so mad. That piece of the story is U S district judge,

02:06:37.600 Lewis Littman granted Blake Lively's motion to strike the letter. And I believe this is Brian

02:06:45.280 Friedman's letter and supporting affidavit, um, that speaks to some of these issues. He said that

02:06:51.920 they were improper and irrelevant to any issue before this court. Counsel's advised that future

02:06:55.740 misuse of the court's docket may be met with sanctions. It transparently invites a press uproar

02:07:00.780 by suggesting that Lively and her counsel attempted to extort a well-known celebrity.

02:07:05.920 Well, if that's what actually happened and I realize we don't know, then it, then it's fine.

02:07:13.740 Then it, then it may be relevant. Uh, and it certainly makes me want to see them even more

02:07:18.360 if they're going through these links to try to hide them. Look, all I know is Taylor was subpoenaed

02:07:24.580 and Brian Friedman withdrew the subpoena and appears to have cooperated, um, here on the record,

02:07:30.620 suggesting that there's been correspondence between Blake Lively and Taylor Swift about possibly

02:07:35.380 deleting all the text messages or making a public statement in support of Blake Lively,

02:07:40.520 which Taylor Swift has not done, Phil. Well, the reason that a lawyer would file something like a

02:07:46.980 letter in the actual record, you know, the court's records in the case is because they want it to

02:07:51.620 become public record. And so at least to that extent, I can kind of see where the judge is coming

02:07:57.580 from, but look, there's only really two main reasons why you would ever withdraw a subpoena

02:08:03.340 and Viva's right. Nobody likes getting these things. And just because you got one doesn't

02:08:07.660 mean you've been harassed or anybody's, anybody's abusing anything, but there's two reasons I can

02:08:12.100 think of two main reasons to withdraw a subpoena. One is you believe that a motion to quash might be

02:08:20.000 successful and you don't want to have egg on your face. Uh, that doesn't seem to be the case. These

02:08:26.360 lawyers have not shied away from contentious litigation. So I doubt that would be the reason.

02:08:31.740 So that we're left with the, the other reason is that they got what they needed or most of it,

02:08:36.820 uh, through some other way. And of course, now we know about Taylor Swift's father. So it all makes

02:08:41.980 perfectly good sense to me now, um, why this subpoena was withdrawn because they've clearly got what

02:08:49.320 they want. Now, whether or not any of that's actually going to be admissible in any trial,

02:08:54.000 well, that remains to be seen because pre-trial subpoenas, this is all discovery. It doesn't have

02:08:59.120 to lead to, um, evidence that's directly admissible, but it can be in the search for

02:09:05.600 evidence that would be admissible at a trial. So the discovery rules are pretty broad. They have the

02:09:11.140 right to go on something of a fishing expedition. And I think they simply got the fish that they were

02:09:16.540 seeking. He has not ruled. No one's ruled out deposing Taylor Swift and Viva that could still

02:09:23.460 be coming. Even if it's true that Taylor Swift's dad intervened here to spare her having to turn

02:09:29.200 over all of her text messages. And I'm sure that would be embarrassing to Taylor Swift. Probably

02:09:33.100 Taylor Swift doesn't want that either, right? Like this is some dispute between these other two.

02:09:37.100 She probably wants no, no part in this. Um, so maybe the dad is trying to save her that embarrassment,

02:09:42.160 but in a litigation, if they get to this point where they need somebody to verify correspondence

02:09:47.540 or that Blake Lively was allegedly putting a pressure campaign on her to either make a public

02:09:52.280 statement and, or to delete all their texts, he has every right to call her. You're right. There's

02:09:58.100 no exception to discovery rules because you're rich and famous. Well, especially if you got the text

02:10:03.820 now, you know, some might say, well, they need Taylor Swift to admit them as evidence, but they

02:10:07.480 wouldn't, if it's between Taylor Swift and Blake Lively, they've got Blake Lively there. So they,

02:10:12.020 if they got the documentation that they wanted, they don't necessarily have it admitted as evidence

02:10:17.400 because Blake Lively was the recipient and the interlocutor. I think. Good point. Okay. So maybe

02:10:24.880 the dad did save Taylor from having to be dragged in for a deposition. And honestly, I'm sure that the

02:10:30.280 dad, if he's trying to spare Taylor is, is looking at, to make it worth Brian Friedman's while to move on

02:10:37.000 from Taylor. Like here are all the texts. Goodbye. Please leave us alone. Go ahead, Viva.

02:10:42.100 So if it indeed is the case that she was asked to delete her text message, you're going to get

02:10:45.960 Taylor Swift involved in destruction of evidence. I mean, the dad might not like, uh, what's her

02:10:51.560 face? Blake Lively. Blake. Taylor might not like Blake Lively because it's one thing to have,

02:10:57.520 from what I understand, Blake Lively is not the innocent one in all of this, and she might be the

02:11:01.580 culprit. So if you have a bad woman who might've been using some form of blackmail over Taylor Swift,

02:11:06.740 or extortion, coercion, whatever, if she's asking Taylor to potentially delete evidence,

02:11:11.200 my goodness, the dad is doing what a good dad would do, protect his daughter. Way more to lose

02:11:15.760 at this point, uh, than Blake Lively. Again, the Lively team says none of this is true. And the

02:11:21.240 judge was unhappy about the letter that was submitted alleging it, but we'll see the proof

02:11:26.940 will be in those text messages. If Brian Friedman hat, if Brian Friedman has them, we're going to find

02:11:31.120 out. So it's not going to stay a mystery for very long. That case continues forward and is set for trial

02:11:35.880 in March of 2026. We'll see whether it ever makes it that far. Viva, Phil, a pleasure, gentlemen.

02:11:42.640 Thanks so much for being here. Thank you very much, friend. It's my pleasure. Always happy to be with

02:11:47.020 both of you guys. Ah, it's great to see you again, Phil. You too, Viva. All right. Uh, we will be back

02:11:52.340 tomorrow. We actually have more legal tomorrow because Alan Dershowitz is here. There's a lot to go over

02:11:59.340 with him. The, his accuser in that whole Epstein thing died. And they're like, they said she died

02:12:09.360 by suicide. Some of our family are saying, we don't accept that. Anyway, uh, I don't know that

02:12:15.340 Dershowitz has spoken to it, but we'll ask him about it and all the legal machinations around Trump

02:12:20.240 right now, including his massive fight with Harvard. It's getting bigger by the day. We'll go deep

02:12:26.560 tomorrow. See you then. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 27, 2025

Dems Struggle to Connect with Men, and Diddy's Former Assistant Speaks, with Batya Ungar-Sargon, Viva Frei, and Phil Holloway ｜ Ep. 1081

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