The Megyn Kelly Show - Dems Try Scare Tactics as Closing Message, and Why Trump is Dominating, with James Woods, Steve Hilton, and Shooter Jennings ｜ Ep. 926

00:00:00.680 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:11.740 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live in Los Angeles today,

00:00:16.340 back at the Sirius XM studios here. Tonight I'm going to be on with Bill Maher. So I made

00:00:20.500 the track cross-country. Man, that is a long flight, isn't it? That's a long flight. And

00:00:25.600 by the way, I'm sitting here with James Woods. I'm very excited that James is here with me.

00:00:29.220 Uh, we got 11 days to go before the 2020 election comes to a close. And, uh, the final New York

00:00:34.220 Times poll of likely voters has the race tied at 48 to 48, which is just, that's not good news for

00:00:40.620 her. The final New York Times poll in 2020 had Joe Biden up nine points, had Hillary up, I think,

00:00:47.040 six. Uh, and now it's tied between the two of them. We've got a lot to get to. James Woods is here

00:00:52.780 along with, do you guys remember the last time he came on in July? He teased a special surprise that

00:00:57.320 he'd been working on. What was it? We didn't know. Well, today we're going to find out because

00:01:02.040 he's here alone first. And then with musician shooter Jennings, who we'll be bringing on soon

00:01:08.260 to discuss James's new album, hear the thunder crack more on that soon. There's a lot of stake

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00:02:14.280 protect your savings and text MK to the number 989898 today. James, welcome back. Great to see you.

00:02:20.880 Well, I'm so happy to be here. You have no idea. Really. You know, I usually don't, as you know,

00:02:26.300 do publicity. And people say, well, you're doing Megyn Kelly. I said, for the second time.

00:02:30.260 Because here's why. That's really important to me. You tell it straight. And I don't know why

00:02:38.520 there's one half of this political divide that simply can't tell it straight. You know,

00:02:45.580 I have a cardinal rule. When they start using euphemisms, you know you're in trouble. Why

00:02:49.960 can't you just say it? You know, someone said the other day, for example, and it's a hot-button issue,

00:02:54.960 so I'm not going to, I'm going to just slide over it. I said, you know, can we use another word besides

00:02:59.600 abortion? And it's like, well, you could if it were something else. Right. But that's what we're

00:03:05.540 talking about. Self-care. Yeah. Well, when they talk about reproductive rights, the one thing about 0.86

00:03:09.920 abortion that is not involved is reproduction. It's like anti-reproduction. And by the way,

00:03:16.120 that's somebody else's opinion. They're entitled to it. I understand it. I get it. Why many feminist 1.00

00:03:22.260 women and men believe in abortion. I'm a Roman Catholic, so of course I don't. But, you know,

00:03:29.420 people are allowed to have opinions in America. But you got to tell it straight. I mean, you know,

00:03:34.480 child-affirming, you know, gender-affirming child care. Let me tell you, in past times in the world,

00:03:41.340 and I believe in the future, and in certain countries, they not only don't call that health

00:03:46.660 care, they try and execute the people who do that to five and seven and 10 and 14-year-old children.

00:03:54.680 We did so many stories back in the day on Fox on genital mutilation that they do in portions of

00:04:00.600 Islam to young girls. Yeah. Female genital mutilation. Yeah. And they never get, they will 1.00

00:04:06.020 never have sexual pleasure. Obviously, that's the point. And it was horrific. We all recoiled in

00:04:11.280 horror. And now it's like, yeah, sure. We'll make sure that these children can never have any sexual

00:04:15.900 pleasure without even thinking about it. We'll just have Rachel Levine stand up there saying,

00:04:19.220 it's fine. You know, we had on Rokani yesterday, a Democrat from the San Francisco region. And he seemed

00:04:24.440 like a very sweet guy. But James, I swear, I don't think he knows this stuff. I don't think a lot

00:04:28.660 of the people know what they're even supporting. Well, also, they don't realize the fact that

00:04:32.440 statistics are, and I didn't look this up, but I, but my wife, Sarah is a brilliant woman and she's

00:04:38.640 well-read and so on. She said, you know, the statistics on transgender, transvite, whatever,

00:04:43.560 whatever, whatever, whatever the chance, whatever, trans, I'll just use their euphemism, trans children, 1.00

00:04:49.960 trans children is 41% of suicide attempts. 41% of people have suicide attempts. And when they use this 1.00

00:04:57.840 gender affirming care, okay, and then they recover from the surgery and so on, or they use the puberty 0.54

00:05:04.480 blockers and so on, the numbers are exactly the same. Nothing changes. That's right. Because, you

00:05:10.460 know, look, we know that there are people who are, who have, are at the far end of the bell curve,

00:05:18.040 if you will, about their sexuality. And people are entitled to feel differently or do whatever they

00:05:25.140 want in their own bedrooms and so on. But when children are involved, I think you really have

00:05:29.460 to go out of your way to make sure you aren't taking what is a natural childhood inclination to

00:05:36.540 be rebellious or to be curious or to act differently than you might, uh, act if you're an adult. You can't

00:05:43.280 encourage it to the point where there is irreversible damage involved. And a lot of the times it's

00:05:49.780 literally munch housing by proxy with troubled parents who behave horribly with their children's

00:05:56.520 welfare. And I have to say, I, I always, I think I mentioned this to you last time, I always imagine

00:06:02.360 what would be like if my dad was a war hero, my mom, who was a teacher, my brother, who was involved

00:06:09.180 in politics and was a Democrat, by the way. And I went out and supported him. He was my brother. And I

00:06:14.100 believed in, you know, a lot of the things he believed in, some not. I can't imagine, God rest our

00:06:18.840 souls, all of them. If they were ever back for one hour, I said, let me show you the world we have

00:06:22.700 today. Yeah. What they would think they go, well, this can't be happening. Okay. Which one of you

00:06:27.900 of these things do you think is happening today? And that's the problem. So I know one of the things

00:06:32.460 that, you know, I love when they send, well, here's some of the topics that could just ask me

00:06:35.600 anything. And Lauren, one of your staff said, you know, we were all laughing when you said, here are

00:06:41.280 the topics. I said, ask me anything. I'm not a Democrat. I'm happy to answer. We like to give you a

00:06:46.060 little heads up just so you, if you want to read in on it, you can. But of course, everybody wants

00:06:50.040 to hear me, you know, you know, just rip the ass off the enemy, you know, so to speak. And that's 0.99

00:06:54.520 not how I think about it. They're not the enemy. Okay. The people who are voting for Kamala Harris,

00:07:00.440 even though I'm not going to vote for her, are not my enemy. They are American citizens who've made

00:07:06.300 some decisions and some choices. Thank God they're able to do that. I disagree with their choices

00:07:12.720 because I disagree with her vision for America. Well, I disagree with the fact that she doesn't

00:07:17.320 have a vision, first of all, and she's afraid to talk about it too cowardly to go on the press.

00:07:22.440 You weren't moved by what you heard on CNN the other night?

00:07:26.040 It's just shocking. I mean, it's just shocking, but they're entitled to what they think. So I

00:07:32.280 thought, yes, I'm going to say to me, the only thing I thought about was I would say to you this,

00:07:36.200 let's forget, you know, they expect me to come out here and go, you know, Kamala Harris slept

00:07:40.220 her way to the middle and check boxes to the top and she never got a single vote. She doesn't know 0.94

00:07:44.320 what she's talking about and blah, blah, blah. I'm not going to say horrible things like that

00:07:48.160 about Kamala Harris because it's unbecoming of me as a gentleman. So let's just throw it back in

00:07:53.900 the box. Sorry. I didn't mean for that to slip out. How am I doing? How am I doing so far?

00:07:58.600 But let's just say this. Let's talk about the America she wants and let's talk about the America

00:08:05.580 that Donald Trump wants. So it's this simple. If you want another 20 million illegal aliens to

00:08:11.040 come across the border unvetted, okay, unvaccinated, unaccounted for, if you love fentanyl, if you love 0.71

00:08:18.800 tuberculosis, if you love cartel crime, if you love sex trafficking of children and so on, then vote for

00:08:25.140 her again. You know, if you want to secure a border, you want to secure a military, then there's somebody

00:08:30.200 else you can vote for. Don't you, aren't you moved by, he's a fascist. He's threatening to unleash 0.96

00:08:35.300 the military. Yeah. You know why I'm moved by it? Here's why. The man almost had his head blown off

00:08:41.960 by a Democrat assassin. He was, there was a second opportunity for it to happen. And here's what I

00:08:48.900 can tell you. In a political election, when you say somebody's Hitler, yet another trans killer or some 0.98

00:08:57.700 other demented Democrat killer is going to say, oh, I've got my walking papers. Because let me tell 0.99

00:09:04.420 you something. Someone said, I can take you on a time machine and I can put you back in Nazi Germany

00:09:09.180 and here's a gun and you can kill Hitler and save millions of lives. I think it's a moral obligation 0.99

00:09:15.740 to do it. And there's some crazy Democrat in some mother's basement somewhere wearing a tutu, 1.00

00:09:21.340 loading up a rifle saying, you know what? This guy's Hitler. Kamala Harris just told me that. 0.99

00:09:25.400 I can't say it's not possible. We've seen it too many times now. They're engineering it. They're

00:09:30.560 engineering another assassination and it's absolutely reprehensible. They've completely

00:09:35.300 abandoned all the, well, we really need to tone down the rhetoric after Trump nearly got his head

00:09:39.060 blown off. Listen to Hillary Clinton. You know, Trump is making a speech next week at Madison Square

00:09:43.640 Garden. That's his closing argument. Oh yeah, she's already called it the Nazi rally. Yeah, take a listen

00:09:47.260 to Hillary Clinton. And you know, one other thing that you'll see next week, Caitlin, is Trump actually

00:09:56.120 reenacting the Madison Square Garden rally in 1939. I write about this in my book. President Franklin

00:10:07.000 Roosevelt was appalled that neo-Nazis, fascists in America were lining up to essentially pledge

00:10:17.120 their support for the kind of government that they were seeing in Germany. So I don't think we can

00:10:24.480 ignore it. And they won't. I'll give you one more. Steve Colbert doubling down on the same messaging.

00:10:32.480 It's just a coincidence. I'm sure it's just a coincidence that in 1939, they held a pro-Nazi rally

00:10:40.020 there. Yeah. It was, it was a stain on MSG's history. Last night, Anderson Cooper asked Kamala Harris point blank

00:10:47.220 what she thought. Do you think Donald Trump is a fascist? Yes, I do. Bam. Thank you. Kamala Harris is not afraid.

00:10:56.660 No hesitation. Okay. That last guy literally said, and I'm quoting him, literally called Donald Trump

00:11:05.860 Putin's cock holster. Okay. So after two years of a complete and utter hoax, wasting America's time 0.99

00:11:15.840 and tax money. Trying to ruin his first administration. And did, went a long way to do it.

00:11:23.060 People like this spew the mantra of the DNC. They all say the same thing. They don't even bother to change

00:11:28.860 the words. And they're trying to destroy it again. They're so desperate now. They're going to start

00:11:34.460 talking about Nazi rallies and they all say the same thing. It's embarrassing. They were wrong then.

00:11:39.340 Five people have been censured in the House of Representatives. One of them was the officially

00:11:43.960 censured, censured liar, Adam Schiff, who promoted the hoax along with his fluffers, like these two 0.99

00:11:52.360 clowns that you just showed us. And they are, they're just acting like clowns in a Nazi rally and so on. 0.99

00:11:57.420 Let's talk about those visions that these people have. Okay. You want to talk about, 0.97

00:12:04.620 you want to talk about a threat to democracy. Let's get a candidate who's never had a single vote.

00:12:10.860 Let's just perform a coup d'etat on a walking corpse who spends his time on the Delaware beach,

00:12:17.940 but is nonetheless still the rightfully elected, possibly president of the United States.

00:12:23.860 And we'll just throw him under the bus and we'll stick, we'll shoehorn in a completely unqualified, 0.92

00:12:30.800 unelected, unnominated candidate. I suppose they use lawfare somehow to squeeze around the edges of

00:12:38.740 the reality. Who's talking about, well, let's have reparations, for example, coming from a family of

00:12:44.560 slave owners. Yeah. And I can, and I say this coming from a family that fought in the American

00:12:49.480 revolution. Okay. So I think I have probably a pretty good, um, uh, uh, valid position to be able to say

00:12:58.080 that, you know, uh, a person descended from a family of slave owners really doesn't need to tell me that

00:13:03.480 I owe reparations to people who were in fact, never slaves. Uh, and I certainly never owned them

00:13:08.920 myself. So, I mean, so here's what they do. It's the Saul Alinsky trick, trick, whatever it is you're

00:13:15.060 guilty of, we're going to blame you. Yeah. I mean, and you can see, feel it coming when they came out

00:13:19.960 and they said, Oh, you know, JD Vance, Pulitzer prize winner, Yale graduate, United States Senator,

00:13:25.260 army hero. Well, that guy's weird. I don't know what's weird about that, but okay. Weird, weird,

00:13:30.260 weird. The same, same collection of clowns pontificating the same talking points. I went, 0.98

00:13:36.060 why are they saying this? And boom, up pops Tim Walsh, the weirdest candidate that has ever run for

00:13:42.500 any office ever. He was ripping on, um, I get, was it Trump or JD for, uh, dancing around the stage

00:13:49.760 the other night? This mincing muppet, this mincing meat puppet, Tim Walsh, tampon Tim. Come on, 0.86

00:13:55.700 are you crazy? Who is it Steve? Musk. It was Elon Musk. Thank you, Steve Krakauer. It was Elon Musk. 0.99

00:14:02.500 He was like, he's Tim Walsh is saying Elon Musk is weird because of the way he dances around on the

00:14:07.500 stage. Oh my gosh. I mean, Elon Musk literally, you know, sent a rocket into space and was able

00:14:14.860 to retrieve it. I've spent probably, uh, we've all collectively have spent billions and billions

00:14:20.120 and billions of dollars in NASA and they weren't able to do that. And meanwhile, Tim Walsh says he doesn't

00:14:24.120 know what a venture capitalist does. So it's like the, there's a gap there, but can I just say

00:14:28.320 something on the Madison square garden thing? So Madison, Trump is from New York. Trump grew up

00:14:33.340 in New York. It's his hometown. Madison, you know, like they're acting like appearing at Madison

00:14:37.700 square garden has never been done from the Nazi rally for, I, I've been there many times to watch

00:14:43.740 Knicks games. It's very fun. You know that Hitler was man of the year for time magazine, right? 0.99

00:14:47.480 Right. Okay. Hitler, Adolf Hitler, the real Adolf Hitler was man of the year for time 0.79

00:14:53.840 magazine. Now time magazine is always, you know, degrading Trump and so on. Look, here's the problem.

00:14:59.600 Here's the problem with having Trump as a candidate for these people. They're all pigs at the same 1.00

00:15:05.140 trough. One wears a red tie. One wears a blue tie. We have a problem in this country and you know what 1.00

00:15:10.760 it is? We need term limits and we need to have a law that you cannot invest in any stock while you are

00:15:17.560 a member of the United States government. And we need Elon Musk to go in there as a cabinet member

00:15:24.740 for Donald Trump and gut this federal bloated hog of a bureaucracy by 75%. When I was going through

00:15:33.700 TSA, all I could think was we need Elon Musk. We need him to cut down the size of government in

00:15:38.500 every department. Like he was saying at an event, I was out here the last time and he was saying,

00:15:43.080 have you ever been in the post office? Think of that at scale. That's the U.S. government.

00:15:48.260 That's what the Democrats want more of. That's what Trump and Elon are going to do to try to

00:15:52.840 reduce the size of that behemoth. We want less of those bureaucrats who really don't know what 1.00

00:15:57.800 they're doing. Except that's one thing about the post office because I think that the people

00:16:02.840 who work the ground level, and I say that as a compliment because I worked in a factory when I was a

00:16:08.740 kid, my mom worked in a munitions factory during World War II, so on. I love them. I love my postman,

00:16:15.280 happens to be a postman, and my postwoman when she shows up. Even my post-transgender wherever he or

00:16:20.620 she is, okay? You know, it's the bureaucrats who run these places. Rachel Levine. We actually were,

00:16:27.700 we had people wagging their fingers at us during the COVID epidemic. I'm sorry, it's some fat guy. 0.97

00:16:33.240 He's a villain. In a dress, masquerading as an admiral with his nuts hanging down below his 1.00

00:16:37.360 hem, telling me about, you know, proper health. I'm sorry, you're lecturing me on health? Get a

00:16:43.400 jockstrap. I promised I wouldn't do this. I promised my wife I wouldn't do this. I take it all back.

00:16:49.120 Sorry, Richard. Rachel. Sorry, Richard. Rachel. Sorry, admiral. And then he wants to tell us how

00:16:53.580 he's the first female this, and he's the first female that. You know, when I was climbing the female 0.98

00:16:58.040 mountain, I looked over, you weren't on it. You were on the next mountain. You're a woman. And by the way,

00:17:02.080 I have to compliment you on something. Man, I'll never forget that first debate. And you

00:17:09.000 ripped Donald Trump's ass in half, man. Oh, boy. And rightfully so, because I've talked to him. 1.00

00:17:16.680 He knows it was a mistake, the way he talked in that trailer. And I'm, see, I'm able to do this.

00:17:22.480 Same with anything that's wrong with Kamala. I love Donald Trump, man. I'm voting for this guy.

00:17:27.180 I just think we need him. I don't want to even make America great again. I just want to

00:17:32.060 make America America again, please. That is so true. Just make America America again, please. 0.96

00:17:38.980 It's not MAGA. It's MAGA. Yeah, please. But, you know, you did it. And now I understand you're

00:17:45.160 supporting Trump because nobody's perfect. I voted for him this week. You know,

00:17:48.960 the spray tan and the hair and all that stuff. But let me tell you something. The Abraham Accords, 0.96

00:17:53.520 changing, you know, standing for Israel, standing up against Islamic terrorism.

00:17:59.160 We are keeping us out of war. Listen, we are literally standing on the edge of our toes,

00:18:06.880 on the abyss, looking into the bowels of hell in this election. This woman gets elected and we are 0.97

00:18:14.120 going to be in a nuclear war. I've literally heard some of these liberal college, well, you know,

00:18:20.900 limited nuclear war. It's like, do you know anything about nuclear war? They know nothing about

00:18:25.720 limited nuclear war. My stepfather, believe it or not, I had the strangest background. My father

00:18:31.540 was on Okinawa in the Seabees, okay, had fought, had two Purple Hearts, about to go into the invasion

00:18:36.760 of Japan. My stepfather, my father died when I was 12, God rest his soul. Eight years later, my mom

00:18:42.460 married Tom, my stepfather. And he was one of the first army photographers into Hiroshima.

00:18:48.060 And he had some film that he had that I saw. You cannot imagine what nuclear war is like.

00:18:55.820 Yeah.

00:18:56.140 You can't imagine what nuclear war is like.

00:18:58.940 And you know how it starts. Somebody like Putin smells weakness. And like an animal,

00:19:01.340 they can smell it from afar.

00:19:02.480 Of course.

00:19:02.920 You don't have to be a genius.

00:19:03.800 He was the head of the KGB. He can figure out weakness.

00:19:06.500 Right.

00:19:06.760 Let me tell you something. This, let's just, I'm already off the edge of the cliff.

00:19:11.560 That's right. Sarah will forgive you.

00:19:12.940 I haven't seen this cackling nincompoop sitting down with Putin. I mean, and you know, Tim 0.59

00:19:17.540 Waltz prancing around in the background.

00:19:20.320 No, it's terrifying. 0.95

00:19:21.100 I mean, it's just, it's, it's, it's so ludicrous. You don't know what's ludicrous? 0.94

00:19:24.940 I have sat across from Vladimir Putin multiple times, many times. 1.00

00:19:28.880 This guy's a killer, man. But, but by the way, he's. 0.99

00:19:31.780 But let me tell you something. Like he will eat her alive. He will have seen through her a mile 0.97

00:19:38.240 coming there. Her little cackle and her weird word salads to buy time with him. There's only

00:19:43.580 so much she can script out a meeting like that.

00:19:46.140 It's really frightening. And, and I'm, I'm afraid that, that, you know, there's an old 0.81

00:19:51.680 expression. Once you, once you squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube, it's hard to get

00:19:55.380 it back in. And it's interesting. Have you ever been to Las Vegas?

00:20:00.180 Of course. Yeah.

00:20:00.980 Okay. Las Vegas was built on a 1% edge, basically. Those casinos.

00:20:05.940 1% edge.

00:20:06.680 In other words, if you play blackjack and you play it perfectly, I don't mean count

00:20:10.320 or do anything else. I think their edge is something like 0.68%. That's the house's

00:20:18.680 edge. In fact, they dropped 32%, which is almost, you know, it's about, you know, it's

00:20:27.660 an astonishingly bigger number than what the odds really are because people just play

00:20:33.940 badly. But the bottom line is the biggest decision they made in Las Vegas when the mob

00:20:38.300 took over Vegas and so on. And then they said, look, the smart thing is let's not cheat because

00:20:44.300 if you cheat, if people go in and they get cheated, they're just not going to go back.

00:20:48.620 We already have the edge. They built that entire city on an edge, mathematical edge of all the

00:20:55.940 games that they spread of basically less than 1% on the average. It only needs 1% to tip it.

00:21:03.940 Donald Trump won the 2016 election by 10,000 votes in Wisconsin. All they got to do is have a car show

00:21:11.220 up with a trunk full of ballots. And I'm not saying that they cheated in the election. I'm not saying

00:21:15.660 that you're scared about this time. That's a separate issue. Let me just say this.

00:21:21.740 Only 25%, I think it is, membership of the NRA is registered to vote.

00:21:28.520 You're worried about gun rights, get out and vote.

00:21:30.620 No, what about Catholics? 0.85

00:21:31.840 Catholics, get out and vote.

00:21:33.080 There are some 30 million Catholics who are not registered to vote who could tip this thing 0.59

00:21:37.480 in an instant. They just get out there and go to their principals.

00:21:40.740 If you get over the edge, look at California. I said, don't we have the death penalty in California?

00:21:46.720 We have the death penalty. Yeah, but Gavin Newsom is not going to support it. He has a mandate.

00:21:52.040 I'm sorry. We voted for that. That is the law of the state. How does he just get to cherry pick

00:22:00.080 which laws he wants to enforce? How is that even possible? You don't get to pick,

00:22:06.200 you know, pick. Okay, great. Then I'm not going to, you know, I guess I'll just carry a

00:22:11.300 bazooka around in Chicago. I mean, of course, I'm not going to do that.

00:22:14.940 No, but this is how we wound up with...

00:22:16.440 I mean, how do you get to pick and choose what the laws are?

00:22:18.000 That's why we have over 10 million illegals under Joe Biden. He just chose not to enforce

00:22:21.560 the border laws.

00:22:22.340 Yeah, 10 million. I'm sorry. Let me correct you. 10 million that we know of.

00:22:25.480 I mean, quote documented that the Border Patrol has counted 10.4 million.

00:22:29.480 Wait, I just want to bring you this breaking news. Okay. Is this,

00:22:33.560 this is coming to me as we're sitting here. Am I reading this correctly? Because I'm reading

00:22:37.620 my producer's note that the Washington Post has chosen not to endorse a candidate.

00:22:41.940 Yes.

00:22:42.280 Yes. Wow. Yeah. WAPO publisher William Lewis and chief executive officer of the Washington

00:22:46.140 Post. The Washington Post will not be making an endorsement of a presidential candidate in

00:22:49.480 this election, following on the heels of the LA Times doing the same, nor in any future

00:22:53.140 presidential election. We're returning to our roots of not endorsing presidential candidates.

00:22:57.280 Just in the nick of time. Wow. Wow. What a shocker.

00:23:01.360 Of course they've been endorsing, I mean, all Democrats, just looking back, of course it

00:23:06.340 was Biden, Clinton, Obama, Obama, Kerry, Al Gore. They've endorsed every Democrat for president

00:23:10.960 of the last 50 years, except Dukakis in 1988. So Stephen L. Miller, he comes on the show, he

00:23:20.780 tweets out Kamala Harris, he's Hitler. Washington Post. Yeah, we've thought about it. No, we're

00:23:26.760 still not going to endorse you over Hitler. Sorry. So this is actually really interesting. 0.91

00:23:32.240 Because they're... We're not going to endorse you over Hitler. 0.93

00:23:34.880 Yeah, we're not. But we totally believe you. He's definitely Hitler. He's Hitler, sure, but no. 0.90

00:23:40.660 But this same thing is happening right now where we are in LA. The LA Times, for the first time in

00:23:44.660 years, did not endorse a candidate. And it was because the owner, who seems to be a more middle

00:23:50.440 of the road guy, said, we're not doing that. And now you've had like the top person in the

00:23:54.880 editorial board resign saying, it's too important. Yeah. As if the people in California don't

00:24:01.560 understand how the LA Times editorial board feels about Donald Trump. Yeah, it was either

00:24:04.780 that or his butt club plug fell out. I mean, I'm sorry. You know, these guys, I'm so sick 0.98

00:24:09.160 of them. Oh, I'm going to go off in a hissy fit. Great. Halloween's coming up. Get ready 0.94

00:24:12.660 to put on your Tina Turner outfit and go down to Santa Monica Boulevard. Well, let me tell you

00:24:15.600 something. Who's going to hire this woman? Because newspapers are dying. She should have been 1.00

00:24:18.900 happy to have a job. She's been working there for the past 10 years or so. It's ridiculous.

00:24:21.880 Good luck finding another job. Yeah. So she left in a hussy. And now we'll see what happens 1.00

00:24:26.100 at the Washington Post. When the rats start deserting the sinking ship, you know you're

00:24:31.400 in trouble. They're deserting. It's happening. I mean, they're really, because they don't

00:24:34.400 want to be like, oh my God. I mean, they don't want to have to, they don't want to have for

00:24:40.060 their historical posterity, the fact that they literally endorsed this clown show. It's 0.89

00:24:47.420 a clown show. You can tell. I mean, by the way, you have a right to vote. 0.98

00:24:51.860 Vote for whomever you want. Thank God. We're in America. And there may be, look, I know

00:24:57.240 that, you know, women have a very, very strong feeling about certain issues. I'm not going 1.00

00:25:05.800 to call them reproductive rights because that's not what we're talking about. We're talking

00:25:08.340 about abortion, you know, and so on. Abortion is legal in California, so I don't know what

00:25:12.380 they're upset about. It's a state's right issue in many states, surprisingly, even Ohio,

00:25:16.660 you know, say, yes, we're going to have abortion. Kamala Harris cannot help you. If you are 1.00

00:25:21.280 an abortion voter, she cannot help you. It is now back in the states. You need to think 0.95

00:25:24.360 about who you vote in, in your state legislature and your state gubernatorial races. She cannot

00:25:29.220 help you any longer. That's that fight is done at the federal government. But if you have

00:25:32.100 a daughter who wants to cut her breasts off at 14 years old because somebody in her class 0.94

00:25:36.620 told her that, you know, she really is a boy and so on, Kamala Harris will be right there 0.99

00:25:41.260 and hands you the scalpel. One hundred percent. One thousand percent. So I like your attitude.

00:25:45.940 I feel the same as you do. I don't totally understand why you'd vote for Kamala Harris.

00:25:49.340 I really don't quite get it. I don't think the Americans who do it are evil. I do have

00:25:53.000 a real problem with a lot of our leaders who pass these insane policies and then we have

00:25:57.020 to live with them and they don't fully research what they're doing to us or they do and they

00:25:59.900 don't care. But I don't feel the way John Meacham feels. John Meacham, who is this famed

00:26:05.600 writer and historian who goes on Morning Joe every day, every other day, MSNBC, who's

00:26:11.040 supposed to be like sort of one of those big, you know, godfathers of voices in America

00:26:15.400 who's going to like set us straight when we're going astray. Oh, thank God. Thank you.

00:26:19.660 Listen to his his take on what America is about to do. Even he could see it coming.

00:26:25.280 The American people are on trial. And if we choose if a sufficient number of us and a sufficient

00:26:31.540 number of states choose to ignore the evidence that, as the Bible says, those with eyes to see 0.81

00:26:39.340 and ears to hear can detect, then there's no, we have no excuse.

00:26:47.960 And we deserve what we get. We're on trial, you see, in this election. And presumably we

00:26:53.260 are guilty if we vote the wrong way.

00:26:55.300 Well, here's what he said. If the Bible gives us the eyes to see and ears to hear, as we used

00:26:59.720 to say at MIT, these things are blatantly obvious to the most casual observer. Okay.

00:27:06.040 I have ears to hear. I can hear her cackle her way through an answer. What do you think

00:27:10.960 about X, Y, or Z? Well, a reason I don't have a position on that is I like to analyze

00:27:15.720 things. I'm quoting Kamala Harris. I like to analyze things. I like to take time and like

00:27:20.060 to research the fact. I'm not going to give a clear answer. First of all, she's not going

00:27:23.440 to give a clear answer. She doesn't have a clear answer. She's woefully unprepared.

00:27:26.860 And as my beloved brilliant wife always said, she is also willfully ignorant. You have two 1.00

00:27:32.580 choices. You're voting for Kamala Harris. Okay. You're either genuinely stupid. I'm sorry,

00:27:37.140 but it's true. Or you are willfully ignorant. You cannot listen to this person who doesn't 1.00

00:27:43.500 have the courage to go before the press. Donald Trump goes before the press a thousand hours

00:27:48.220 a week and lets them eviscerate him and comes back with an answer and goes to McDonald's and

00:27:53.260 serves and just kills him with a meme. You know, she doesn't do it. What are we going

00:27:58.500 to do when Putin's ballistic missiles are coming over the North Pole and Kamala Harris is in

00:28:04.560 the White House going, ha ha ha, cackle, cackle. Let me look up the research on this and I'll

00:28:09.160 get back to you. The audience. Come on. They know. I mean, they know. They can tell. There

00:28:14.520 is, um, here's, okay, here to Steve Krakauer pulled this, this morning about, um, women in

00:28:22.140 the final New York times, well, as I've told you, it's tied 48, 48, which is bad for her because

00:28:26.300 Biden was ahead of Trump by nine points when he beat him last time, which was only by about 70,000

00:28:31.180 votes. And he was pulling up nine points over her. So she's tied right now. What does that tell

00:28:36.360 you? So Trump's up 12 points with men. He was up six in the 2020 poll. So that's better for him. 0.97

00:28:42.140 Kamala's up 14 points with women in 2020. Biden was up 23 points with women. Uh, and there's an

00:28:49.460 interesting interview with a woman 27 years old in Georgia who voted for Biden in 2020,

00:28:53.680 but she's going for Trump this time in the times quote, I was very extremely disappointed in her

00:28:58.980 response to the immigration issue. And when she was first elected, that was one of the things that

00:29:04.320 she was tasked with handling and she accepted the responsibility. And then every time she's been

00:29:09.120 asked about it or pressed about it, it's just attitude giving in return. Well, here's what she says

00:29:15.520 about it. Basically when on day one, I'm going to close that border. And I want to say, sweetie,

00:29:23.500 you've been the de facto president of the United States for the past four years. Well, the husk

00:29:29.780 is out there at the beach, sitting in the sunshine, talking about the glory days with corn pop. I'm

00:29:35.380 sorry. You are, you know, been president. So see, you know, we've had 1400 day ones. I got a great

00:29:44.400 idea for you, Kamala. Madam vice president, since you're in charge right now, it's day one right 0.89

00:29:50.160 now. It's Hey, it's nine 28 on the East coast. Get down there and do your job and close the border.

00:29:56.260 Do it. Oh, I can't. I got to think about it a little more. I got to have a policy meeting.

00:30:00.700 Yeah. I got to have a nerd. Oh yeah. Let's do that. I'm a nerd. Okay. She's had day one

00:30:05.380 for 1400 miserable days. Here's the good news. Here's the good news. Both these candidates

00:30:13.080 have shown us their stuff. Donald Trump was president of the United States for four years.

00:30:19.400 Kamala Harris has been our de facto leader for four years. She's certainly been the borders are 0.82

00:30:25.000 for the entire four years. Which way do you like it? An actual border like other countries have,

00:30:31.700 or this slop basin that the bottom half of our country has become, you know, the only time the

00:30:40.240 Democrats finally woke up when Greg Abbott, God bless him said, you know what, let's let you guys

00:30:46.920 see what it's actually like. Cause your sanctuary city, Martha's Vineyard, Jesus Christ. I'm surprised

00:30:51.720 they didn't have machine gun. They swept their asses right off that island. They were like, 0.99

00:30:57.880 let me introduce you to the glories of Greyhound. Yeah. I think you're going to love it. It's

00:31:02.160 beautiful. You get to change the seasons up there. Oh my God. Can I do this show just every day?

00:31:07.460 Every single day. Can I come back? Come co-host it with me. All right. Stand by.

00:31:12.360 I am going to take a break because we have Shooter Jennings here too. Oh yeah. The best.

00:31:16.840 You may not, you're here to promote something. You know, I appreciate you just talking news.

00:31:21.580 Well, I think I'm hoping what you're going to do is, is, uh, uh, listen to what we did with this

00:31:26.560 album a little bit and, um, and just let us talk authentically about what we've done.

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00:32:47.080 Back to the Megan Kelly show. James Woods is back with me now and also musician

00:32:54.420 shooter. Jennings is here as well. These guys have been working together on the autobiographical album.

00:33:00.300 Hear the thundercrack. All right. So I love how you met. And first of all,

00:33:04.540 thank you for the restaurant recommendation on where this all went down. So explain how it happened.

00:33:08.920 You never been to Dantana's? How could you not have been to Dantana's? I'm not cool. I don't,

00:33:13.260 I basically stay at home. Oh my God, you're the most uncool person on the face of the earth. 0.99

00:33:16.720 I'm sorry, but it's true. You should have gotten the main nanny. But anyway, 0.98

00:33:19.300 that's a reference we'll have to explain later. Commercial discussion. Yeah. I mean, look,

00:33:24.620 we talk about it on YouTube. Basically, Sarah and I, we're just totally worried. We go to Dantana's

00:33:31.040 the minute it opens. First of all, Dan and I have been friends for a million years. We used to play

00:33:36.460 golf every day. He's the sweetest guy. He went back to Serbia now to, to retire. Sonia took it over

00:33:41.260 and every day I go at five o'clock with Sarah because nobody's there. It's just, I'm packed later.

00:33:46.700 So I love it. Doug and I would have dinner with you guys at five o'clock. Totally. We would totally do

00:33:49.940 it. Anybody with kids is on board with this plan. It's perfect. We go there, sit in there,

00:33:54.340 my picture's on the wall. I'm a menu item. It's pathetic. I'm like, I'm like, you know,

00:33:58.840 Don Rickles or Joey Bishop. I'm veal Florentina. It's absurd. It's almost embarrassing. I love that 1.00

00:34:05.700 you are the politically incorrect meat. It's perfect. I'm perfect. Yeah. Oh yeah. Of course,

00:34:09.560 veal. And we're sitting there one day, we look over and speaking of hot blondes, there's this 1.00

00:34:14.740 ridiculously hot blonde. And this, I see from the back, this like guy, cool guy, cool, obviously cool

00:34:21.280 like he is now, uber cool. And we're, you know, checking them out and doing what you do at five o'clock.

00:34:26.920 And I'm thinking, okay, the question was, are they just getting up and coming for breakfast?

00:34:33.780 And while we're looking, Misty, as it turns out, jumps up, comes over. She goes,

00:34:42.300 my husband loves you. Shooter. And he's shy. He comes over. Hey, how are you doing? I go, hi. I said,

00:34:49.740 I'm sorry we were staring. I mean, I'll be honest. We were staring because Misty's really a package.

00:34:55.060 And Sarah and I will look and say, look, man, she is like, she's like Anna Nicole Smith. By the way,

00:35:00.600 they're one of their dogs is named Anna Nicole. We've since become incredibly close friends,

00:35:06.100 the four of us. We're the Columbo four. Another thing we have to explain. At any rate, they come 0.98

00:35:11.020 over, we start talking and I, cause I'm an idiot. So we were trying to figure out like music or, 0.98

00:35:16.460 you know, movies, you know, music. And I, he said, my wife, Misty, Swain, Misty Jennings and I'm

00:35:22.860 Shooter Jennings. I go, oh yeah, music. Uh, I said, rock and roller. He said, well, you know,

00:35:27.500 more, more country-ish, but everything I produce. I said, oh, I said, oh yeah, country Jennings.

00:35:32.700 You know, there was a, there was a whale in Jennings. He goes, yeah, my father. I go, yeah,

00:35:38.600 I knew that. Uh, you know, so, you know, I mean, here's his heritage. Why is he called

00:35:45.360 Shooter Jennings? Because? I peed on the nurse. No, really? Yeah. Yeah. But wait a minute.

00:35:51.880 Peed on the nurse. His father, who were the two guys when his mother, Jesse Coulter,

00:35:56.600 country outlaw, had him. Who were the two guys in the room? Waylon Jennings and Johnny Cash.

00:36:01.780 So he leaves that word out. And then he pees on the nurse. Was it Johnny? No, Johnny wasn't there

00:36:06.820 when I was born. That was later. But, but, but he, it was my dad.

00:36:09.900 Then he said, oh, the kids are Shooter. That's spectacular. So everybody thinks I'm like a tough

00:36:14.660 guy. So you start talking to James Woods in this restaurant, Dantana's, right? Okay. I'll get

00:36:18.520 cooler. Um, and if they don't buy me a free meal after all these flights, we should never

00:36:23.980 sign a check again. Um, and you start to talk about like then and there, the possibility of

00:36:29.520 a collaboration. No, you know what? That's for Shooter. Let him talk.

00:36:33.220 You listen to him. I like, yeah, that's right. No, no. You know, like, uh, they didn't start

00:36:40.880 immediately. I, I, first of all, like growing up, like I, you know, I loved every movie that

00:36:45.520 he was in. Right. I mean, I remember the hard way was like one of the first R rated movies

00:36:49.300 I saw when I was young, you know, sorry. Hey, there's the, you know, the age gap gets smaller

00:36:54.780 when you get older, but, um, but, but he, you know, when I was young, it was just like Videodrome

00:36:59.720 and these movies like that were just massive for me, you know? So I was always just a follower

00:37:03.720 of his, I loved his films, you know? So, so here we are meeting and we just started talking

00:37:08.160 about, uh, all kinds of stuff. Like I'm, I'm a nut for old Hollywood. I'm not for like

00:37:12.620 Charles Bukowski. I'm not for all this kind of like Hollywood stories in the thirties and

00:37:17.200 all this. And we just kind of instantly fell into these conversations. And then it was just

00:37:21.680 pretty quick that he just revealed that he played guitar and that he was playing around

00:37:25.200 with the guitar. And, and by this time he had told us like 50,000 amazing stories by

00:37:30.280 the third or fourth time we'd been to dinner. And there, and I was like, you got to write

00:37:33.500 this down somehow. You know, that's what, that was what my initial thought was. But then

00:37:37.200 he started writing these, these, these like long poet, poetic pieces. And then I just started

00:37:42.960 playing around with them and turning them into music and then it just kept working.

00:37:48.100 Okay. Cause I like this part of the story. So then he says to you, why don't you, maybe

00:37:52.060 you could shoot me some lyrics. Like you write something down and shoot it to me and you're,

00:37:57.080 you're excited. You're like, Oh my God. Okay. Shooters Jennings is asking me to write some

00:38:00.680 music. Wow. But so I go home and I don't know why, but his wife's name is Misty and it was

00:38:07.300 just in my mind. And I lived in Laurel Canyon when I was young, young actor. And you know,

00:38:12.640 it was back then before the internet, before any of this stuff, people just hung out. And

00:38:16.080 Laurel Canyon was this kind of cool place, you know, I mean, it was right after the

00:38:21.240 Manson killing. So there was also kind of creepy and all this stuff. And I remember one day I got

00:38:26.480 up on my little deck of my little house and it was very foggy. And I thought, Oh man,

00:38:32.640 just don't let the sun break through yet. You know, just, you know, just let me take a breather

00:38:38.360 before the day starts. And so I thought the first word I ever wrote as a musician was Misty

00:38:43.860 and Misty Morning, you know, when the sun in early morning dies in sorrow and quietly fades

00:38:50.140 before they once more own us before the world invades. And then I just kept writing and I sent it to

00:38:56.600 him and didn't hear anything for like a month. I said, sir, I sent lyrics to Shooter Jennings. He's got

00:39:07.180 three Grammys. I am such a jerk. I'm just, I'm just honest to God. I was like, literally had my tail 1.00

00:39:15.400 between my legs. And then I'm walking one day in the living room and it was like an MP3. Yeah. And I touch it

00:39:25.280 and they go, all right, I've been smoking all day and my voice is shit, but I'm just going to tinkle this 0.99

00:39:32.460 here on the piano. It's kind of a stream of consciousness, James. I hope you, I hope you 0.98

00:39:35.980 don't mind, but just, you know, just like a little demo here. Uh, I don't know, man. I hope you like

00:39:41.040 it. Boom. Now, David Foster said this guy's an unbelievable composer and he wanted to buy the

00:39:48.860 song for Chuck Groban right away. Wow. And I said, well, you know, I'm never leaving Shooter, but for

00:39:54.580 those four minutes, it was literally the turning point of my life. And in the intro of our album,

00:40:02.400 I talk about F. Scott Fitzgerald saying that there are no second acts in American lives.

00:40:07.920 But at that moment was when the second act of my life changed. Well, the real second act was when

00:40:13.100 I found Sarah and Sarah and I got married and in Arizona. I love your love for her. Yeah. And you

00:40:19.720 know who our officiant was? Who? I married him. What? He married us legally. He married us. Wait,

00:40:25.960 when? He became a minister to marry us. Recently? Yeah. We all have this column. Were you not married

00:40:30.880 to Sarah when I saw you in July? Wait, when did you get married? Yeah, we've been married for a couple

00:40:35.280 years ago. Oh, okay. It's a couple years ago. Okay. And we all have this Columbus session and he wrote

00:40:40.000 the most wonderful vows. And at the end of it, she was dressed as Priscilla Presley. She played,

00:40:46.320 you know, God only knows, was her wedding. And we were out there with the cactus. It was so

00:40:51.400 beautiful. And he did this whole thing and it was great. And, you know, I've now pronounced

00:40:56.740 you man and wife. And so we started to walk away and he said, oh, one more thing. You may kiss the bride.

00:41:05.420 For anyone who knows what Columbo is, that's what he would always say. Oh, that's right. You have to know

00:41:09.580 that. You have to know that he would always say, oh, just one more thing. Yeah. One more thing. And then he'd get you.

00:41:14.440 It is funny. Seems like Columbo's too soon for you, Shooter. Like that seems like it'd be before

00:41:20.080 your time. No, I used to watch it with my dad. He loved it. And we used to watch it whenever it

00:41:22.940 would come on. And so I've, I've watched every episode. I have like many books on it. That guy

00:41:26.400 would never get a TV show today. And like, he's such a weird looking dude, but he was perfect

00:41:30.300 for that role. Yeah, he was so great. But he's such a good actor. He had like the one eye over

00:41:33.680 there. But he was just right for it. Yeah. All right. So when you got the lyrics, were you

00:41:40.020 genuinely impressed? Or were you like, oh, I kind of said I'm going to have to do something

00:41:44.180 now. It's James Woods. No, no, I don't ever usually do that. You know, I know I don't

00:41:48.240 go down the road if it's not something I feel is real, you know, but, but with this, I, I,

00:41:53.820 I just, when I read those, you know, what I noticed is, okay, he's not, there's no choruses

00:41:57.840 or anything to any of this. It's not like a normal song, you know, it's kind of like this,

00:42:00.980 this poetic thing. And, uh, so I just kind of, when I, when I'm reading it to myself,

00:42:08.200 it, it kind of reminded me of the, the cadence and phrasings of like modern Bob Dylan records,

00:42:15.080 like the more modern things, like, like Tempest and all that, you know, well, I mean, it's

00:42:19.120 just like, I could, I could hear the words flowing the way that he, I don't know if you

00:42:23.640 guys have ever listened to like Tempest or, or Rough Ratty Ways. He's got a song called,

00:42:27.840 I can tell you, I contain multitudes, but it's like a really interesting, uh, lyrically

00:42:33.560 the way he kind of weaves things, even that murder most foul, that 16 minute long JFK assassination

00:42:39.320 song. It's like very, very poetic. I mean, he's won a Nobel prize for his writing.

00:42:43.680 And he didn't show up. They couldn't even find him. He didn't show up.

00:42:47.860 Even cooler though. He's like, I barely registered that I won it. So we have a sample. I don't think

00:42:53.680 we have Misty Morning. We have, uh, Hollywood kills everything. Yeah. Where did you hear

00:42:58.140 this, the sax on this? Okay. We got to play that because just the title alone is fantastic.

00:43:02.960 And I feel like I get it. Let's listen to a little of Sot 2.

00:43:18.000 I mean, I'm kind of imitating Dylan there.

00:43:21.860 Yeah, it's working.

00:43:22.960 Oh, such a cool vibe. And by the way, that photograph was taken by Sarah. She did all

00:43:34.180 the photography on the album.

00:43:35.160 Is that right?

00:43:35.740 Of Megan?

00:43:36.960 Yeah. Dare I say, you sound even better than Dylan today.

00:43:41.820 Oh, you can't say that. That's blasphemy.

00:43:44.060 I know it is blasphemy, but it's how I feel. It's a very cool vibe on there. So you guys

00:43:48.360 get in the studio at some point and your heart must've been a flutter, James.

00:43:51.980 Well, first of all, the process is weird. I wrote every word on this album. Shooter

00:43:59.040 composed every note and sings it. You go in the studio and I'm thinking, this is weird.

00:44:05.640 I'm making an album of sort of my life, my words, put to music. Have you ever been in

00:44:11.700 the studio, a professional musician? He plays the demo on the piano.

00:44:15.140 I can't remember.

00:44:15.780 Plays the piano.

00:44:16.640 I don't think I have.

00:44:17.140 They sit there with a piece of paper and they just put numbers down because it's like,

00:44:21.460 you know, the number one chord, the four chord, the five chord diminished, whatever, or flat,

00:44:26.200 whatever. They do all that. And they play the song out of nowhere. They hear it once. It's

00:44:31.380 like, what?

00:44:32.600 Yeah.

00:44:32.900 How do you do that?

00:44:33.560 Well, here's the thing now. I brought all the lyrics, which nobody ever does. They just

00:44:38.140 let these guys play. And I said, here's the story behind this. And the crux of this story,

00:44:45.060 there's a lyric in here where it said, hello, the starlet said with ISO baby blue, give it to me,

00:44:52.500 big boy. You know that I love you. You jump into her cold dead heart. You can hardly wait.

00:44:57.740 Give me all your money, honey. Heartbreak is your personal fate. Okay. So it's really about

00:45:03.380 kind of what our business is. But there was also the story, and I'm going to do the whole lyric,

00:45:08.340 the little girl jumped from the sign. It was like a lighthouse from the shoal and so on. It was the

00:45:13.120 Peg and Whistle story. Peg and Whistle jumped off the Hollywood sign and committed suicide because

00:45:17.820 her career was essentially over and didn't know that there was a telegram at her house. She had just

00:45:22.860 gotten a big role in an MGM movie. And yes, it's a, it's a heartbreaking kind of jazzy story and so on.

00:45:30.020 And I mean, it's, you know, it's what I say. They don't, here they don't, it's a swamp of

00:45:36.400 creatures vile. They don't gut you with a rusty, they don't, they don't gut you with a rusty blade.

00:45:42.340 They do it with a smile and so on. And he. In news, they use the rusty blade. Yeah.

00:45:48.720 But think about what he had to do. He gets these complex, weird lyrics, you know, you know,

00:45:53.860 and it's like, he's now got to fold them into music, right? It's not like they write the music

00:45:59.340 do what I did. Did you have to talk to Jimmy about this? Like what, what, what is the vision?

00:46:03.840 He's a magic box. You just go with it on your own. I send the music and a year later it comes back

00:46:07.260 or two days. One day he wrote three songs. He composed three songs. I wrote 35 songs in three

00:46:12.160 weeks. Oh my goodness. He composed three of them in one day. And it took us four years to do the album.

00:46:16.740 I go, Sarah, the shooter hate me. She goes, no, he's busy. He's a Grammy award. He's on the road

00:46:23.620 with Brandy Carlisle. He's with Manson, Marilyn Manson. You know, come on. He's working. I go,

00:46:28.520 he hates me. No, he doesn't hate you. It's great to know you have these same insecurities that the

00:46:32.520 rest of us have. Yeah. So I wrote a song called Wallum Lake, which was from my father. We used to go

00:46:36.340 fishing in Wallum Lake, which is my, you know, when the world stopped spinning and time at last stands

00:46:44.600 still. When in a moment you are gone, will I hear the whippoorwill? Because he used to,

00:46:53.040 when I was little, we'd go fishing together and he'd whistle like the whippoorwill, whippoorwill,

00:47:00.500 whippoorwill. And the whippoorwill would answer back. I just thought that was like the most amazing

00:47:05.200 thing because I was eight years old, you know. And then I always, when I'd go fishing, always kind

00:47:10.120 of listen for the whippoorwill. And there's a great moment at the end of the story, which now this

00:47:14.160 old man is sitting on the lake and, you know, on a cold gray day and, you know, the light breaks

00:47:20.280 through and I need not ask nor be told, the presence now of you. And from an evening star

00:47:25.620 comes this beautiful whippoorwill and I know he's singing to me. Wow. That is gorgeous. He gave you

00:47:32.080 a lot to work with there, Shooter. Let me get one other track in because I think the audience

00:47:37.040 will enjoy it. Road Back Song. This is Sot 3. Yeah, yeah, baby. Let's listen.

00:47:40.840 Like a diamond bullet to the brain. Great line to start.

00:47:48.760 It's for you, my son. It's for you, my son. I share this refrain. And when you're lost in sorrow,

00:48:02.160 in life, it's wracked with pain. Don't wait until tomorrow to find your peace again. When you're

00:48:18.680 feeling your heart, you're about to cry. Jump on that highway and take the road back.

00:48:32.120 That's good advice in there as well as being catchy. Shooter, was he easy to work with? Did he want the

00:48:37.320 words to remain all the same? Did you say, well, that doesn't rhyme, does it? No, no, I wanted him

00:48:41.820 to stay the same. I made some, you know, I made a lot of edits, like, but not to his words. Like,

00:48:46.720 he would really just give me more material than I needed, really. And I would kind of pick the stuff

00:48:52.280 that spoke to me and really kind of put that together. But I didn't want to change it. You

00:48:57.620 know, I thought this was a really unique project. I don't, I didn't really, I haven't put out a record

00:49:02.700 of my own since 2018. I've moved to fully producing records, you know? So, like, when this came along,

00:49:08.100 like, doing, putting another album out wasn't even really in my, I wasn't even interested in it. But

00:49:12.540 when this, when this started to happen, and then it started to work, and I saw what it was, I go,

00:49:17.720 this is really interesting. Like, this is, I've never heard of anyone actually doing this, where

00:49:21.580 it's really his words and his life story. It's his perspective, you know? And I, and I was kind

00:49:26.200 of explaining to him why his name had to be first on this record to me was because otherwise no one

00:49:31.580 was going to understand what it was. Like, they did, they would have to, like I said, there's a line

00:49:35.640 where he talks about his mom passing away. And it's like, my mom's alive. Like, you know,

00:49:39.780 that was the point where you're like, I can't, this isn't me, this is him, but I'm singing it.

00:49:44.020 You know? So, it was really, really interesting. And it took us a while to figure out how to present

00:49:47.960 it, you know? And it really, the title came from him. He was sitting there in my studio and,

00:49:53.220 and we were trying to think of like, what to call it. And he said, you know, he popped out of his

00:49:56.960 CD, he goes, I got it. He's like, here's the Thundercrack, The Life of James Woods, sung by

00:50:01.000 Shooter Jennings. And I go, well, there you go. Now people understand exactly what it is.

00:50:03.960 What a memoir. What a great memoir. I'm telling you, don't be all modest. In the hands of a

00:50:13.140 musical genius, a musical genius, a wonderful father and husband, a fantastic friend. He has

00:50:22.560 literally, he has literally shown me the road back. I mean, I don't want to overstep my lane,

00:50:28.760 but someone could make a movie out of this friendship relationship. Well, they're working

00:50:34.700 on a Whelan Jennings movie first. Oh, well, this could be part two. You guys, congrats.

00:50:41.820 What a great idea. I love that you did this. Yeah. All right. So wait, say the name again,

00:50:46.400 because it's a long one. Hear the Thundercrack. Hear the Thundercrack. And you can find out where

00:50:51.220 it is on Apple, on Spotify, by going to jameswoods.com. Very important. No space, all lowercase,

00:50:58.460 jameswoods.com. Got it. And you can click. We'll be right back. Thank you guys.

00:51:03.500 All right. First of all, James gave, Jimmy, I'm allowed to call him Jimmy now. I feel very cool.

00:51:07.760 Gave me this jacket, which I have to say is amazing. Look, it says, um, hear the Thundercrack

00:51:12.740 on the front, which is the name of their album. And then you got to see the back. I'm kind of

00:51:16.620 tethered to this seat, but I want to try. Look at the, ah, hold on. I got to untether for a second.

00:51:21.720 Okay. There. Can you see it? What does it say? Read it out loud, Steve Hilton.

00:51:26.580 Here, the Thundercrack, the life of James Woods, sung by Shooter Jennings.

00:51:31.000 Very cool. Fantastic. I mean, I love my new jacket. I didn't expect to get swag,

00:51:34.920 but swag I have. Okay. Hold on. Now I got to plug back in. You guys are going to have to.

00:51:38.860 Yeah. And I'm very jealous. Where's mine? I don't know. I lost my cord. It's somewhere

00:51:43.340 there. It's in my pants. Okay. There. I'm back. Steve Hilton's here. I'm very excited.

00:51:50.360 Yeah, but with no jacket. I'm sorry. You got to know Jimmy.

00:51:53.340 I know I was a little bit late. Sorry. I do know him actually. He's so great. He's the best. We've

00:51:57.180 done a couple of events together here in LA. He's so great, but no jacket. Not everyone gets them.

00:52:04.020 Exactly. Anyway, I'm thrilled to have Steve. We've been talking forever and been trying to get him

00:52:08.600 on. He's a well-known conservative voice trying to fight the good fight here in California.

00:52:14.600 And that is just so hard. So is James. I mean, it's just, it's impossible out here. Every time I come

00:52:18.700 out here, Steve, I'm like, so pretty. I love how everything's sort of got this art deco feel and

00:52:22.980 the weather. And then you see people like two out of three still masked. And you say, I got to get

00:52:28.940 home immediately.

00:52:29.560 That is so insane. On their own, walking down the street, outdoors.

00:52:32.860 Literally.

00:52:33.500 It's unbelievable.

00:52:34.580 Today.

00:52:35.200 It's insane.

00:52:36.260 What? Why?

00:52:37.540 Every time I think that, and I think, you know, I'm kind of, you know, we believe in freedom and

00:52:41.920 people should do their own thing and I don't want to judge, but really.

00:52:44.700 I judge.

00:52:45.120 I mean, what is going on? I truly don't understand. And part of me, I see that and I think, you

00:52:50.400 know, I'm trying to be, you know, kind about it. I mean, maybe this is, you know, they have

00:52:54.220 a cold and they don't give it to others. Like in Japan, that's the tradition.

00:52:57.120 You're walking into a cancer wing of a hospital.

00:52:59.740 Exactly.

00:53:00.200 Sure.

00:53:00.640 It's insane. I mean, I totally. But it's so interesting because it's part of the whole

00:53:04.800 problem here, which is the ideology just takes over any kind of reality or practicality and

00:53:10.780 they hear the stuff and believe it.

00:53:13.680 It's crazy.

00:53:14.320 It's amazing.

00:53:15.100 All right. But California, I mean, I remember the days when we had Republican governors out

00:53:19.760 here.

00:53:20.140 Yes.

00:53:21.400 Schwarzenegger, among others. It's gone far left. I mean, every, literally every elected

00:53:26.460 position is held by a Democrat now. But I, am I crazy to think there's a little hope?

00:53:32.020 I'm thinking about how they kicked out those school board members in San Francisco. 0.63

00:53:36.320 They kicked out that lunatic DA, Chesa Boudin. They now have this ballot proposition here, 1.00

00:53:43.760 Prop 36.

00:53:44.660 36, yeah.

00:53:45.400 Which is something you and I like, yes?

00:53:47.600 Very much.

00:53:48.240 It's saying, let's make crime, let's make crime, crime again.

00:53:51.160 Yeah. And not just you and I. Latest poll, 73% yes on that.

00:53:55.460 So it's saying it's going to allow felony charges and prison sentences for certain drug and retail

00:54:02.720 crimes that were dismissed down to misdemeanors under previous regimes.

00:54:07.120 It's really reversing a lot of the real damage that was done by the notorious Prop 47.

00:54:13.560 Okay.

00:54:13.840 That was 2014. Kamala Harris was the state AG. And that's the one that basically legalized

00:54:19.800 theft up to $950 per day, every single day.

00:54:24.040 Every day.

00:54:24.600 It's amazing.

00:54:25.280 Still a misdemeanor.

00:54:26.280 And so, and not, that wasn't the only thing, but that was the heart of it. So that drove all

00:54:31.700 of what you see in the explosion of retail theft and then the associated drug crime and all

00:54:36.760 the rest of it, right? The chaos on the streets. And so this is not totally reversing it, but

00:54:41.580 doing a lot to rein in. But the new thing it's adding is tough penalties for fentanyl,

00:54:47.840 including a murder charge for dealers of fentanyl. So I was just talking to a DA, a Democrat

00:54:53.620 DA in Ventura County, just up the road. And he was saying that their fentanyl arrests have

00:54:58.600 gone up in just in the last five years, 4,000%. It's gone from basically nothing to a huge

00:55:03.920 part of the crime problem. And so finally, they're going to get the chance to charge

00:55:07.900 that accordingly.

00:55:08.740 That's horrifying.

00:55:09.480 But it's amazing that you've got this overwhelming support. So to me, that is a sign that things

00:55:12.980 are changing.

00:55:13.540 Yes.

00:55:13.780 The other big one.

00:55:14.520 Even these mask wearers must be in favor of it.

00:55:16.640 Right. And here in LA, in a way, the bigger one, because it's such a, if you just look at

00:55:22.460 the voting numbers, it's a very Democrat county. George Gascon, the DA, obviously in the news

00:55:27.080 for the Menendez thing, he's going down. I mean, he's down by 30 points in the latest

00:55:32.200 poll. By the way, I want to tell the audience, we have Mark Garagos coming on after Steve.

00:55:35.880 It's not going to be in this show that's airing right now. We're going to drop it. I don't

00:55:38.680 know, later today or tomorrow morning, but he's, he'll be here tomorrow morning. He's

00:55:42.980 the Menendez lawyer.

00:55:44.180 Right.

00:55:44.500 And so we'll be getting deep into that, but that's a crazy case. I'm very into it. But

00:55:48.560 wait, I want to tell you something about the Prop 36. So Kamala Harris was asked about 0.96

00:55:51.680 this and it took long enough, right? They, they pummeled Trump over the head with that

00:55:55.840 abortion measure in Florida early on. Like, do you support it? Six weeks. Is it too long? Is it

00:56:01.000 too short? Finally, somebody got around to asking Kamala Harris, are you going to, you're

00:56:04.560 a Californian, you get to vote. Are you going to vote? Yes. On this Prop 36 that has the

00:56:08.980 support of over 70% of Californians. And as usual, she, she took a really strong stance

00:56:13.860 and she was totally, perfectly articulate with it. Watch.

00:56:18.280 For the voters vote on Prop 36 in California, you are a California voter. Do California and

00:56:23.060 other states need to punish drug and theft crimes more harshly?

00:56:26.080 So I have not yet voted and I have not yet had the chance to read through the ballot.

00:56:30.920 I will keep you posted on that.

00:56:33.060 I'm inspired. That's real leadership.

00:56:35.540 Absolutely stunning. So first of all, of course she knows.

00:56:38.820 She knows.

00:56:39.340 Of course she knows. This is right in her wheelhouse. She, she constantly brags about the fact

00:56:44.320 she was a tough prosecutor, she was state AG, the biggest department other than the Department

00:56:49.360 of Justice federally, et cetera. Right. So she totally knows what's going on here. She also

00:56:53.940 knows that is aimed directly at the proposition that she presided over as AG. That's what it's

00:56:59.660 doing is reversing the worst effects of that. Of course she knows. Why won't she say? Because

00:57:04.520 just on, just like on every other issue, she is terrified of angering and provoking the far

00:57:10.560 left base of her party and the activists. That's why she can't give a straight answer 1.00

00:57:14.060 on a whole bunch of these questions.

00:57:15.060 I wonder how she actually feels because if she was wanting the penalties reduced, she

00:57:20.620 must not be in favor of this, but she's now tried to act like she's John Wayne and she 0.92

00:57:26.100 prosecuted transnational criminals who crossed that there border. And so like the new Kamala

00:57:31.740 Harris should say, yeah, let's go for it. Prop 36 has cracked down on those criminals. But

00:57:36.040 like everything else in this race, she, she's trying to keep her left flank. 1.00

00:57:39.180 Exactly right.

00:57:39.960 And not show them like, I'm with you, but I'm not allowed to say I'm with you.

00:57:44.980 This is the fundamental reason why she's such a disaster as a candidate, because she's just 1.00

00:57:49.860 not comfortable being who she doesn't really know who she is. She's a transactional machine

00:57:54.680 politician. She's going whichever way the wind blows, whatever's politically expedient. 1.00

00:57:59.180 And so she can't say because she's nervous about being herself or telling the truth. I actually

00:58:04.360 think like you, that in her heart, she is pretty tough on this stuff. I think that's

00:58:09.060 really, she grew up a DA and she wasn't known for being one of these left way. We didn't

00:58:13.120 really have the George Gascon's or the Alvin Braggs who didn't want to prosecute crime

00:58:17.100 when she was coming up the ranks. So, I mean, well, I don't really give her necessarily credit

00:58:21.300 for that. Doing the job of being a DA or a prosecutor is to put criminals in jail. So

00:58:26.740 she was doing what these guys should be doing. So I, you would think she, you'd look at her

00:58:31.260 and say, yeah, you understand that crime, crime is crime and it needs to be enforced.

00:58:34.880 And yes, but she also was running for vice president and became vice president during 1.00

00:58:39.600 the whole, you know, racial reckoning. And then George Floyd happened. And so I don't

00:58:45.740 know, cause I think Kamala Harris is woke. I mean, who else would stand with these trannies 1.00

00:58:50.260 with the beard and a dress on showing their breasts in front of the white house and think 0.99

00:58:54.260 it's fine other than a woke person.

00:58:55.920 So there's a couple of things. So first of all, I think that, um, she's definitely

00:59:01.100 in, when you look at the, the, there's a really interesting thing. If you watch all these clips

00:59:06.120 now, these disastrous performances, one of the things that you, that is really striking

00:59:10.740 is how she's just tongue tied. She can barely speak incoherent, unclear, inarticulate. And 1.00

00:59:16.820 that CNN town hall, all these interviews, she's looking around, doesn't know how to answer 0.92

00:59:20.160 the question. You compare that to some of the clips that I've seen being put out there

00:59:24.880 from 2019, when she was running, when she's taking the left position, for example, on

00:59:29.960 immigration, I just saw one the other day when she's defending her position that, um, 1.00

00:59:34.560 illegal immigration isn't a crime. And she was, she's on Pod Save America. So clear, so

00:59:39.860 articulate, passionate.

00:59:41.360 She is better on abortion. 1.00

00:59:43.140 So when, when it's a position that's on that, she is more articulate. So that tells you a

00:59:47.200 little bit about who she is, but on the crime issue, there's another side to it. When we

00:59:51.880 first moved here 2012, I was teaching at Stanford at the time and someone there, she just moved,

00:59:57.580 um, she just becomes state AG. She'd been DA in San Francisco, a mutual friend introduced

01:00:02.160 us and said, I think you'd get along with this person. Who's our state AG. We had dinner.

01:00:06.640 It's the only time I've ever met her 2012, the first year we were here. And the reason

01:00:10.560 that they thought we would get along, I just come out of the British government working for

01:00:14.300 David Cameron, senior advisor in 10 Downing street and Kamala Harris as this DA of San

01:00:19.240 Francisco, she'd just implemented a policy of prosecuting parents who let their kids 0.79

01:00:24.880 persistently be true. And her argument was, if you're letting your, if you're not making

01:00:30.180 your kids go to school, you are destroying their life and I'm going to hold you accountable

01:00:34.120 and I'm going to prosecute you. And it was mainly black parents that actually, so she 0.99

01:00:39.500 wasn't afraid to haunt her. Although not as it would, if she were a Republican. 0.88

01:00:42.620 The thing is that she took a position there, which you would say is the opposite of woke.

01:00:46.780 She was, so I think there's, there's a real complexity there. And the truth is she just

01:00:52.620 can't be herself because she's constantly calculating.

01:00:56.140 Well, that's where Tulsi was coming at her from that debate. She was coming at her from 0.97

01:01:00.260 the left saying you were too zealous as a prosecutor. You were putting truant parents

01:01:04.380 in jail.

01:01:05.120 Well, the parents is one thing, but the really despicable thing was on the drug crimes where

01:01:10.100 she would punish the low level, the users, but, but actually failed to hold accountable 0.83

01:01:15.980 the dealers and the big drug gangs.

01:01:17.220 The worst though is that case of the one, now he's an elderly man, black man, who was 1.00

01:01:24.400 accused by his stepdaughter of molesting her. And that went up the ranks and it became very

01:01:31.120 clear that the daughter's testimony had been very inconsistent about what he had or hadn't

01:01:37.020 done to her. And the lawyers in the case of the DA's office misrepresented that to the

01:01:42.020 court. Court after court has found a problem with the misrepresentations. And yet she refused 0.74

01:01:47.740 to do anything for this man to take her office off of the case, to allow the appeal to expire,

01:01:53.400 to let the man get his day in court so that he could actually, you know, take on this evidence.

01:01:57.580 She didn't care about it. And he sits in prison today. Forgive me because I don't have his name

01:02:00.960 at the ready, but George Gage, that's what it is. George Gage. Anyway, she's got like,

01:02:06.580 if this had been, trust me, this had been a Republican candidate with her prosecutorial, 0.89

01:02:10.900 can you imagine? We'd know everything. George Gage would be a daily household name.

01:02:14.300 I mean, we could be here for the whole hour talking about these, these instances. I mean,

01:02:16.920 you know, the, the, the, the child sex abuse. I mean, she goes on about how it was sexual abuse

01:02:22.260 of her friend that prompted her to become a prosecutor. That was the thing that made her

01:02:27.000 become a prosecutor. When she's DA in San Francisco, she took the side of the perpetrators

01:02:32.960 of child sexual abuse against the victims. There was this case. It wasn't when she was there,

01:02:37.420 it was a long running case. It's the Catholic church. And the, her predecessor was going to

01:02:42.460 release that. They, they, they, they, they took it. I think it was a Supreme court decision.

01:02:45.840 They lost the criminal and then they wanted a civil process, the victims and her predecessor

01:02:51.240 was in the process of giving them all the information for them to take that to trial.

01:02:55.760 She stopped it. She stopped it. And we don't know why she's never explained why,

01:03:01.180 but the argument in San Francisco was she was doing it in order to protect her political interests

01:03:06.740 with a very powerful political lobby in San Francisco, the Catholic church. And you've

01:03:10.760 got testimony from the victims. They begged with her, they pleaded with her to let this

01:03:15.420 go ahead. And she said, no. So she touts her record on child sex, sexual abuse cases. She

01:03:20.880 also touts her record on domestic violence and, um, uh, you know, prosecuting the, um,

01:03:26.020 the offenders and standing up for the victims of it, except if they happen to be the victims

01:03:31.320 at the hand of her own husband.

01:03:32.600 I mean, this story is unbelievable.

01:03:34.600 And it's, it's growing now. Okay. Because the accuser, the woman who says she was slapped

01:03:39.860 in the face by Kamala's husband a year before they got married. I mean, this isn't ancient

01:03:44.920 history. This happened in 2012. They, they were married, I think, um, in 14 or 13. So

01:03:50.440 yeah, here's a picture. She's blurred out because she's maintaining her anonymity right

01:03:53.960 now. She doesn't want her life to be ruined. She's a successful attorney. She's married 0.97

01:03:58.060 now. She's got a great life and you know, she's going to have a shit storm rain down on 1.00

01:04:01.540 her if she attaches her name to these allegations. But I believe this woman entirely. She's putting 0.99

01:04:07.280 the story out there. First person with the daily mail. She's a lawyer. She knows very

01:04:11.160 well. She's going to get sued for defamation. If this is not true, no lawsuit has been forthcoming

01:04:16.300 Steve. And the first person testimonial has got some disturbing things in it. A couple of

01:04:21.940 points that I just wanted to, uh, raise. So she talks about how she met him the first date

01:04:28.600 he brings his son in who is older, uh, at the time, like a teenager, the first date he brings

01:04:34.780 his son to meet her. Now who does that? Everybody knows you don't bring the children in to meet

01:04:38.820 like the new potential stepmother until that is weird. I hadn't heard that till just now.

01:04:43.740 And she knew it was weird too. She felt bad for him because she didn't want him to just

01:04:47.160 wander New York city without her. She was living in New York and he was living in, um, on the

01:04:51.280 West coast in San Fran. So fine. But it was a little red flag for her that, that he brings

01:04:56.700 his, um, son in. The two of them met on match.com. She says, uh, the relationship consisted

01:05:01.640 of an intense few months with Emhoff discussing marriage and children after just weeks. He starts

01:05:07.940 love bombing her, Steve, which is what, I mean, I'm not saying Doug Emhoff is a stalker, but

01:05:13.540 that's what a stalker and a controlling man will do. They don't come on like, Hey, I'm

01:05:19.000 going to beat you or Hey, I want to control every facet of your life and separate you from 1.00

01:05:23.260 your family. They come on like, Oh my God, you're so beautiful. Here's the roses. Let's

01:05:26.460 take amazing trips together. Come buy a house with me. And that was the next thing he brought

01:05:30.300 her out to LA or whatever. I can't remember San Fran or LA and, um, says, I really want

01:05:35.820 you to look around this house with me. And, um, he's talking immediately about, uh, marriage

01:05:41.720 and children, marriage and children with her, like within the first couple of days, he grabs

01:05:47.060 her around the stomach saying, I want more babies. I mean, this is, they're not even dating

01:05:51.380 for a long time at this point. And, uh, really wanted to leave his family behind then when she

01:05:58.040 got an opportunity in the UK to move there. And he was like, what family? My, my wife's

01:06:02.440 got this and wanted to move to the UK with this woman who was a high powered. I mean,

01:06:06.580 it sounds like a climber, right? He's a climber. So then they go to this event. I think the people

01:06:11.460 know the situation where he smacked her. It was brutal. But then she talks about how he

01:06:15.920 told her about the nanny and the affair with the nanny. And he, she says as follows, we were

01:06:23.340 in Santa Monica, he was driving his fancy car. And so I just straight out asked him,

01:06:27.180 I feel like you're on the back foot in the divorce. Like you're trying to make up for

01:06:31.040 something. All I did was ask him one question. And he told me the whole story without skipping

01:06:35.400 a beat, staring straight ahead of the road. He tells me he had an affair with his daughter's

01:06:39.440 teacher. She was the teacher and the nanny, I guess. And that subsequently she claimed 0.97

01:06:43.360 she was pregnant. He's telling me this very casually, like it's no big deal. He yelled at

01:06:48.680 her. This is his account that he yelled at the nanny. He never said that he hit her,

01:06:53.300 but he said he got really angry with her and that she subsequently called, um, she subsequently

01:06:59.980 claimed that whatever he did caused her to lose the pregnancy. He said she got a lawyer and was

01:07:07.320 threatening litigation. I was flabbergasted and I was taken aback by how matter of fact he could talk

01:07:12.580 about it. Now we know from the Daily Mail, they went and pulled the police records around. They found

01:07:16.260 out where the nanny lived and that they had a level three alert on this woman's house at the

01:07:20.340 time that she would have been pregnant, potentially having this conversation, which involves sirens

01:07:24.500 and lights and an emergency response. I didn't know any of this. Yeah. To, to the house. So, I mean,

01:07:29.900 there's a real, I mean, look, I don't know this. He denies hitting this woman. He admits having an

01:07:36.720 affair with the nanny, whether she actually was pregnant, what happened there, he doesn't admit. Um,

01:07:42.000 but I think there's a pattern with these guys. You tell me because there's, I've never met a man

01:07:46.660 who hits just the one woman, just the one time thing that people point out. And what, you know,

01:07:51.520 we don't know. And, and all of this stuff is complicated in the sense that it's human

01:07:56.580 relationships. But as you say, there's, if there's a pattern, the point is that the lack

01:08:01.000 of curiosity about this from the media, generally speaking, the fact that the champions of women's

01:08:07.720 rights and all of that stuff are just so casual about this and, and recoil when anyone even kind

01:08:13.600 of tries to bring it up. You saw that the other night on CNN, they tried to shut it down. Imagine

01:08:18.200 if this was the other way around. So did, uh, CNN's, um, they had a correspondent on Bill Maher

01:08:24.800 a week or two ago and she, Laura Coates, she shut it down too. Bill Maher raised it. Well, I haven't

01:08:29.080 researched, I haven't looked into it. I don't know much about it. Why not? Why don't you? And then we

01:08:33.500 have to be really careful about going out there with allegations before we verified them. When have you

01:08:37.460 ever exercised that in the past on CNN? I know, but just look what they've done with, with CBS just

01:08:42.000 this week on some of the Trump stuff. I mean, it's just completely so glaring, the double standard and

01:08:48.460 the lack of curiosity and the fact that they, and it just reminds me of the stuff with Clinton. It's

01:08:52.880 just the same, isn't it? Going back all those years to Clinton, when it's our guy, it's fine.

01:08:57.420 I think they, they agreed that those were quote, bimbo eruptions under Bill Clinton. I think they were 1.00

01:09:02.920 very happy to dismiss those women. It's just trailer trash. Yeah. We don't need to pay attention 1.00

01:09:07.180 to them. And so it's kind of interesting because I think that is the media's general attitude,

01:09:11.280 but this, this woman is nobody's. Yes, exactly. I mean, it's interesting. I hadn't read all those

01:09:17.620 details. I read the story yet. She's a sophisticated party and for her, and she's a lawyer, trust me, 0.72

01:09:22.900 no lawyer would be putting this out in writing that we would all know we'd get sued to the nth degree.

01:09:27.840 And I guarantee you, this woman will stand by the daily mail if they get sued and that she'll give them 0.99

01:09:32.660 a sworn declaration. I mean, I think she's ready to fight if he picks it with her, but he's trying

01:09:38.600 to run from her. They hope it'll go away and they can just get through the election and it'll go

01:09:42.520 away. It will. I know. I don't think it's going to actually have much traction if she doesn't come

01:09:46.960 out and put her name to it. I think that's just a reality. If she, if she, if you know her name and

01:09:51.620 you see her testimonial, it's very hard to just dismiss it, but because she's anonymous and it's with

01:09:56.420 the daily mail who I love, but you know, the mainstream can just say, Oh, whatever. Yeah. To me,

01:10:00.300 it's very disturbing. And yet they're running with these, these claims that have been made against

01:10:03.400 Trump. Um, which I, as far as I can understand, there is a woman who claims she dated Jeffrey

01:10:10.260 Epstein in 1992, 1992. And that one time he brought her by Trump tower and that she opened the door to

01:10:19.600 greet Donald Trump. And before she knew it, he was quote, groping her. She said he, um, kissed her.

01:10:25.600 He grabbed her breasts, touched her waist and grabbed her behind. And that, that was kind of 0.85

01:10:32.240 over after that. It was like a chit chat. They went on to talk like Jeffrey and Trump and this

01:10:36.660 woman. And then she left with Jeffrey and he was angry because he didn't like how that went. But he

01:10:42.680 and Trump remained friends. I think she says she continued dating Jeffrey Epstein for months.

01:10:46.860 Anybody who dated Jeffrey Epstein for months.

01:10:48.820 Which is hope it's so like hilariously predictable, you know, like, Oh, suddenly it shows up,

01:10:54.500 you know, a couple of weeks before the election. I mean, just like Trump denies it, by the way,

01:10:58.120 written it, you know, something like what you've seen, not necessarily all these media companies.

01:11:03.000 Like I haven't seen CNN cover that, but I think it was in variety. Uh, it was in the daily beast.

01:11:08.260 It was in a lot of these publications that have absolutely no interest in, in this woman's story.

01:11:14.180 This, you know, high powered attorney who's doing a first person testimonial in detail with

01:11:18.340 witnesses, with receipts, totally different treatment. It's very annoying. And I mean, look,

01:11:24.080 we're talking this other woman's 1992 with no contemporaneous witnesses whatsoever, no proof

01:11:29.860 whatsoever. It's just, it's infuriating. All right. So I want to talk about the meltdown because it

01:11:34.400 seems to me, um, the, one of the lead, the lead piece in Axios this morning is about how

01:11:39.620 Democrats are now admitting she's going to lose. We realize she might not lose because there's a tie,

01:11:46.340 but she's blown it. And they're all feeling it where I sit. I'm feeling it too, but I also see

01:11:56.740 that the polls are tight enough and her get out the vote effort is good enough. Yeah. I feel kind

01:12:03.440 of nervous about Republicans getting really complacent. You know, like you can't be

01:12:06.800 complacent, but I think that there's a couple of things. First of all, you know, I mean, these,

01:12:10.560 these kinds of stories, you know, that the October surprise, that phrase we all know,

01:12:14.000 it seems to me that the real October surprise is just how bad she is. Like even those of us who

01:12:18.720 thought she was pretty. That is so true. That's so good. It's unbelievable. Like it's genuinely

01:12:23.220 unbelievable. She spoke and we realized. That it's this bad. And it's just now in October when she's

01:12:29.120 suddenly out there because they realized they, for whatever reason, the previous strategy of keeping

01:12:33.380 her, just doing their allies wasn't working. Okay. Let's get her out there. Now we know why they 0.99

01:12:37.240 didn't want her to do interviews, but the scale of the collapse in these situations and the fact

01:12:42.420 that still she can't answer these questions. I mean, the one about your failings or whatever.

01:12:47.420 I mean, I don't want to get into whether she did work at McDonald's or not. That's the kind of

01:12:51.560 question you literally get at your McDonald's interview. Like she would have failed. You know

01:12:56.060 what I mean? And it's just extraordinary to me how bad she is that even, even to someone who,

01:13:01.340 you know, who's a critic, it's amazing. Well, you know, it's interesting. She's not raising

01:13:05.660 the McDonald's story anymore. I mean, it's just a joke on the trail, though. Barack Obama did.

01:13:10.380 He's been out. He went out and stumped for her. Um, she's going, Kamala's going down to,

01:13:16.280 um, Texas with Beyonce to Houston, which is actually kind of funny because I think that's

01:13:22.840 where Beyonce is from. And, um, she, she made Kamala come to her because Texas is not a swing 1.00

01:13:27.800 state. I know the Democrats want it to be, but it's not going to get Cruz out, but I mean,

01:13:30.920 come on. I know, but there's no reason to do this in Houston other than Beyonce didn't want to put

01:13:34.780 her, you know, any elbow grease into this. He's like, eh, I'll do it. If you come here.

01:13:39.160 Yeah. Um, cause you, otherwise you'd be doing this in Pennsylvania to try to get everybody,

01:13:43.540 you know, so Beyonce's out, Obama's out. Bruce Springsteen goes out on the trail,

01:13:50.260 almost brought Wolf Blitzer to tears. I'm going to say he's seen better days. I'm not going to,

01:13:56.160 I'm just going to put it out there. Do we have a clip? Let's do we have a side of Bruce

01:13:59.720 Springsteen? Yeah, let's, let's, oh, just talking here. Let's watch.

01:14:05.600 She's running to be the 47th president of the United States. Donald Trump is running to be an

01:14:12.880 American tyrant. He does not understand this country, its history, or what it means to be 0.71

01:14:22.220 deeply American. And that's why November 5th, I'm casting my vote for Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.

01:14:32.200 I'd almost forgotten about Tim Walz. I can't believe they're bringing him back.

01:14:35.160 That's what they want. I know. To your point though, about the complacency,

01:14:37.840 I completely agree about that. Cause there's two ways of looking at it, which is okay. It's a dead

01:14:41.780 heat. The poll, you know, the New York times poll today, 48, 48 nationally, very close in all the

01:14:46.680 swing states, all really close. That's one way of looking at it. And therefore absolutely no room for

01:14:51.860 complacency. Another way of looking at it is that compared to previous results, Trump's way ahead

01:14:57.380 of where he used to be. And in every single equivalent poll in 2016, I'm afraid of looking

01:15:02.460 at it like that. So we don't know whether the pollsters are more accurate. What if they fixed

01:15:06.980 it? What if they fixed it? That's exactly right. So there's really no, this is what I'm, I'm on the

01:15:10.900 road the whole time in California trying to support candidates for Congress here. We've got a lot of

01:15:15.180 house races, also the assembly and Senate for California's legislature. And there's a simple

01:15:20.360 message. You just got to get everyone out there. There's no room for any kind of complacency.

01:15:25.060 The good news this time is that the GOP really has understood the importance of, you know, how much,

01:15:30.320 we don't like the rules and ballot harvesting and early voting and all this kind of stuff doesn't

01:15:35.100 matter. Those are the rules. You got to work with those rules. That's really happening this time.

01:15:39.680 You're seeing Republicans actually getting the message, Trump saying it, everyone's getting the

01:15:44.460 point that we have to really, you can't leave it all till election day. So I think in that sense,

01:15:48.900 it's, you know, it's a better machine. It's a better operation. You've also got people like

01:15:54.120 my friend, Charlie Kirk, who's doing a great job in with, with his get out the vote operation,

01:15:58.420 chase the vote. There's a, there's a lot of effort going into it. We hear that the Democrat machine

01:16:03.720 is bigger, better, more, more money behind it in terms of turning out voters. But again,

01:16:10.060 it's not like the Republicans have just been sitting around doing nothing.

01:16:12.580 And you know, we heard that, we've been hearing that ever since Obama, but you know what happened

01:16:17.520 after Obama? Trump. Yes. Trump happened in 16, right after Obama and he still won. And what they,

01:16:24.260 they believe is with all respect to Charlie, who is great and has been doing yeoman's work on it,

01:16:29.220 and not just him, but other groups, Elon Musk's PAC has been getting people registered and getting

01:16:33.920 out to a, Trump is a turnout machine. Trump is the one man turnout machine. That is the belief

01:16:40.680 by, I think, team Trump. And that's what happened in 16. Now it would be nice to have help.

01:16:45.580 And that's why, and that also gets you over the kind of 2022, the red wave that never happened.

01:16:51.100 He wasn't on the ballot. He wasn't on the ballot. So that's a...

01:16:53.380 I mean, the Republicans are going to have to fix that problem.

01:16:55.780 Yeah, good point.

01:16:56.560 Soon. Because Trump is not going to be able to...

01:16:58.820 The other thing I think it's interesting in the context of Beyonce and the Trump point is,

01:17:03.440 it's just interesting where you have Beyonce's outfit. Of course she is. It's totally

01:17:06.720 predictable. Of course these Springsteen and whatever, Oprah, you know,

01:17:09.860 it's totally predictable. That's the way it's always been.

01:17:13.420 They did it for Hillary Clinton too.

01:17:14.600 It's all the same.

01:17:15.200 All these same people were out for Hillary Clinton.

01:17:16.660 But what's interesting in terms of the culture is that Trump has actually become

01:17:21.220 the kind of anti-establishment guy. And so he's attracting a lot of support in parts of the

01:17:27.160 culture that no Republican ever has before. And the kind of stuff he's doing this time in terms of

01:17:31.960 the podcast and reaching out to people, the previous Republican candidates would have no chance

01:17:37.980 of getting that kind of support because they think he's cool because he is anti-establishment.

01:17:43.040 And that's the interesting change in terms of the cultural position of the candidates.

01:17:46.180 So he's also doing an NFL players podcast. But I think part of what Trump is doing and part of

01:17:51.440 the reason we see such a strong gender divide, the women are going to go Kamala for many reasons, 1.00

01:17:57.460 but most of all Dobbs. You know, young women in particular, they want the right to choose

01:18:01.740 and they do not want to vote for Republicans who won't say exactly that. But the reason I think

01:18:07.000 Trump's numbers are going up so high with men, because there are a lot of men who are pro-choice

01:18:10.360 too, is just what we've done to men for the past 15 plus years in this country, but especially the 0.66

01:18:16.260 past like seven, eight, you know, and I don't know exactly when we should peg it, but anecdotally,

01:18:24.540 I feel like it's around seven or eight years where it's, we've just been crapping all over

01:18:29.760 men and little boys in our commercials, in our movies, in our, do you remember the Gillette

01:18:34.440 commercial? Yeah, I remember the Gillette. I feel like that was 2020, maybe 2020, you know,

01:18:38.660 but that really crystallized it in a lot of ways. But I mean, I just think that men and it, you know,

01:18:42.640 this isn't racial, it's white, black, Hispanic, men are sick and tired. It's not just of being kicked 0.95

01:18:50.120 around. Men can take being kicked around of being told you're nothing. Yeah. I think it's really 0.52

01:18:56.300 true. It's more than that. It's worse than that you're evil. It's that you're nothing. We don't

01:19:01.540 care about you. You, you can't have a job. You, you are no longer in the running in, in the American 0.52

01:19:09.280 race to improve your life. You're out. It's the same thing as reparations. You know, that earlier

01:19:16.240 generations committed sins that must be revisited upon the present generation, even if they don't

01:19:21.740 have a racist bone in their body, even if they weren't here to, their families weren't here to

01:19:25.460 support slavery, et cetera. That's what we're doing to men. That's what we've been doing and 0.98

01:19:29.020 truly yanking the American dream away from them. And I really think that's what's baked into those

01:19:33.500 numbers. It's incredibly important. And you know, the thing about it is like, and that's why that's a

01:19:36.900 good comparison. And you can take it to so many different areas when you've got something where

01:19:41.340 there's a kernel of truth that people could get behind and support. And when you take it to the

01:19:46.280 extreme, it just goes off the charts and you get division. So for example, if you go, I don't know,

01:19:51.060 20 years, it's true that there were things that you could do to promote gender equality, to make it

01:19:56.020 easier for women to have careers and so on. I've always been a big supporter of that. That's true.

01:20:00.360 Policies around childcare, whatever it may be, there's a whole range of things and that's great.

01:20:04.900 But when you take it to the extreme and you push it so far, same with, with race, it's true that 0.95

01:20:10.040 there's a racial wealth gap that actually, if you look at home ownership, small business formation,

01:20:14.300 all these things, there's a racial wealth gap. But the idea that then you turn that into reparations

01:20:19.160 instead of sensible policies that just help black people along with everyone else, you know, 0.81

01:20:23.460 get great results at school. Exactly right. Get well-educated, like school choice.

01:20:27.560 So there's good things you can do to promote equality of opportunity in a true American way

01:20:33.820 without going to the extreme of lifting one group up by pushing another group down.

01:20:38.360 That's her whole philosophy. I mean, she's in love with equity. She said it numerous times.

01:20:42.420 She tries not to let it slip out in this campaign. I have to take a break, but I do want to ask you

01:20:45.900 this question. So you're a Brit. When you listen to her talk, I mean, every Brit I know is articulate

01:20:51.280 and well-spoken and can make conversation with ease. It must be particularly jarring to you and your

01:20:56.440 people. Well, I have to tell you, Megyn Kelly, I'm an American. Right. I'm American now.

01:21:00.280 Just to be clear with the audience. With British history.

01:21:02.160 Yeah, absolutely. And Hungarian. I always want to throw that in. My parents are Hungarian.

01:21:05.140 Like a tough guy. Okay. Exactly. I think it's just amazing, actually, when you watch,

01:21:09.920 especially at this level, right? You're trying to be president of the United States and you can't

01:21:14.340 speak properly. It's just really bizarre. I mean, like, what do you think David Cameron

01:21:17.560 would think about? No, it's amazing. You can name the Brit, you know, every single one of them,

01:21:23.800 they're all able to make conversation with ease and with words, with real words.

01:21:27.860 Actual words.

01:21:28.640 That don't get repeated over and over.

01:21:29.920 And sentences that make sense.

01:21:30.080 Right. Like, well, I'm talking about what hasn't been done, what we need to still do

01:21:33.880 because it hasn't yet been done. So we have to do it, but it's not done yet.

01:21:37.160 And it's crazy that you go from Biden. Like, you thought you can't get any worse than that.

01:21:41.520 At least he's got an excuse. Like, he's senile.

01:21:44.020 Right.

01:21:44.380 What's her excuse?

01:21:45.920 I don't know. I mean, that's our debate, right? Is she scared or stupid or both?

01:21:50.640 Okay. Well, I'm not. I think it's I'm leaning into the scared of offending anyone. And the way I 1.00

01:22:00.780 always put it is that is a terrifying characteristic in a president. Imagine that someone who just

01:22:06.900 doesn't is so unsure of themselves, so lacking in conviction that they're constantly calculating.

01:22:13.200 How's this going to go over? Who's going to be offended? It's the opposite of what you need

01:22:17.060 in that incredibly important position. I know. I mean, we're actually finding somebody to put up

01:22:22.000 against Xi Jinping, to put up against Vladimir Putin, you know, to put up against Kim Jong-un.

01:22:27.220 Like, we do need somebody who's strong.

01:22:28.900 One of the things that I really love about how Trump is in this campaign compared to previous

01:22:34.720 ones is he's giving us a bit of an insight into how he did the job. He's telling us little stories

01:22:40.100 about how he dealt with these foreign leaders and these situations. Just the other day,

01:22:44.440 he was talking about moving the embassy and how everyone was lobbying him and all these heads of

01:22:48.280 state and prime ministers were calling him to tell him not to do it, not to do it. He said,

01:22:51.900 tell them I'll call back on Monday. And he made the announcement on Friday, you know,

01:22:55.040 and it's just these little insights. He's not scared of offending people. He'll do what's right.

01:23:00.820 And okay, you can disagree with it or whatever, but that's what you need in a job like that.

01:23:05.300 You cannot have someone who's so calculating all the time.

01:23:08.540 Steve Hilton is my guest today. The moment that really says it all,

01:23:13.500 Andrew Schultz was the one who pointed this out to me and he was so right.

01:23:16.540 It was when Trump was president. It was at one of those like G20 summits.

01:23:20.180 And I believe it was the leader of Montenegro who was in front of him.

01:23:25.640 He shoved him. He was like nicely, but he put his hand on the shoulder and just kind of shoved him

01:23:31.620 back. Hello, we're the United States of America. You're in the back row, Montenegro. Right? Like, 1.00

01:23:38.260 I love that. I, maybe I shouldn't love it, but I love it. So I don't care. I don't,

01:23:42.840 I'm what do you make of like, let me take this break. And then I want to ask you about the

01:23:46.120 fascist thing. Cause it's stepping up. Yes. Mika Brzezinski almost had a melt. I mean,

01:23:49.400 I think she might've cried tears, um, on the morning show about Trump. Like they're really

01:23:54.180 ramping it up. It's not working, but I do want to know your thoughts on it. So quick break.

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01:25:01.140 Back with you now, Steve Hilton. He is host of the Steve Hilton show. He's also founder

01:25:05.800 of golden together, a nonpartisan organization that works to develop and advocate positive

01:25:10.980 practical policy to solve the many problems here in California. I just do want to read

01:25:17.780 this piece. Um, this, this bit of the piece from Axios, uh, by Mike Allen, a growing number

01:25:22.920 of top Democrats tell us privately, they feel vice president Harris will lose, even

01:25:27.920 though polls show in italics, a coin toss finish 11 days from now. Democrats admit

01:25:34.860 they need to be, they tend to be hand wringing bed, wedding doomsdayers. But what's striking

01:25:40.140 is how our private conversations with Democrats inside and outside her campaign, both inside

01:25:44.980 and outside reveal broad concern that little she does says or tries seems to move the needle.

01:25:52.680 The next line is this after Democrats spent $1 billion. I mean, I mean, your heart bleed,

01:26:00.780 the poor thing. It's, it's, it's, there's some justice and karma to this, isn't there? Because

01:26:04.780 of the, you know, the whole coronation thing and the, it was so nauseating that whole period.

01:26:08.920 Um, look, the thing about it is that when you see stories like that, I think the first

01:26:12.980 one that really, um, you know, alerted me to this, I think it was this week, the Politico

01:26:17.280 story, maybe it was last week about the, you know, finger pointing from within the Pennsylvania

01:26:21.660 Democratic Party about the operation there being no good and everyone blaming each other.

01:26:26.560 They're blaming one young woman in particular. It's like, how can it be one young woman's fault?

01:26:29.940 The thing is that I've seen so many campaigns, you know, here in England, across the world.

01:26:35.640 And when you see stuff like that, that is the whiff of death about a political campaign.

01:26:40.400 And this story is just so part of that. And I just think it, and their desperation now.

01:26:45.660 They're starting to stink of it.

01:26:46.900 Yeah, it really is. That is what's going on. Um, as we say, you know, we're talking about

01:26:50.820 it earlier. It's close and no one can be complacent. It's the opposite. Um, Trump's certainly not

01:26:55.640 being complacent. I mean, look at his schedule, look at what he's doing.

01:26:57.840 Non-stop.

01:26:58.140 He's absolutely conveying the right energy and attitude.

01:27:01.800 Now I played the Bruce Springsteen. We also have, um, Mel Gibson going a different way.

01:27:07.120 Should we listen to him?

01:27:08.760 I'm going to guess, uh, Trump.

01:27:13.300 Is that a bad guess?

01:27:16.080 I think it's a pretty good guess.

01:27:18.060 Well, what do you think the world will be like in a second, a second, uh, term with,

01:27:23.680 with president, with the president's second term?

01:27:25.760 I know what it'd be like if we let her in.

01:27:28.500 Yeah.

01:27:28.840 Oh, really?

01:27:29.740 That ain't good.

01:27:30.520 Yeah.

01:27:31.660 Well, this miserable track record, appalling track record, no policies to speak out.

01:27:38.540 And the border, right?

01:27:39.380 And she's got the IQ of a fence post. 1.00

01:27:44.820 She said it like it was.

01:27:46.840 Blunt talk.

01:27:47.940 Yeah.

01:27:48.260 I mean, look, I, I think that, um, the, the fact that it's her performance, just, just,

01:27:56.160 just the fact that she can't speak properly gives rise to that sort of comment.

01:28:01.880 That's what's honest.

01:28:02.920 I mean, that you, all you can think is fence post.

01:28:04.980 By the way, so they seem to be catching him in the airport, which I was just in since I

01:28:08.620 flew out here.

01:28:09.060 I made the mistake that I, I, I don't want you to make.

01:28:12.480 And I don't want any of our audience to make.

01:28:14.320 I was, it was a long flight.

01:28:15.840 It's like almost six hours.

01:28:17.380 I did watch a movie on the plane and I made the mistake of not, I tried to click preview

01:28:23.740 trailer, but I, apparently I just hit play.

01:28:25.940 And before you knew it, I was kind of into it because it was starring, um, Jennifer Lawrence,

01:28:31.480 who I like, you know, she's pretty, she's a good actress, whatever. 1.00

01:28:35.720 Okay.

01:28:36.460 And then said Michelle Pfeiffer too.

01:28:37.880 I'm like, great.

01:28:38.520 Another icon.

01:28:40.240 Uh, Javier Bardem was the male lead.

01:28:43.520 I've, I've been loving him in the Menendez series.

01:28:45.960 He's amazing.

01:28:47.000 It was the worst movie I think I've ever seen.

01:28:49.560 It was called mother with an exclamation point.

01:28:52.460 Good warning.

01:28:53.340 It was horrid.

01:28:55.480 They were great.

01:28:56.500 They were great actors.

01:28:57.380 I don't blame them, but it was so bad.

01:29:00.100 It was so weird.

01:29:01.200 It was violent.

01:29:02.060 It was disturbing.

01:29:02.880 And then I Googled it after the fact too late, too late.

01:29:06.060 It was like, it's all about climate change and how the earth is being killed by the disrespectful. 0.93

01:29:12.680 I'm like, well, no wonder this sucked.

01:29:14.520 Anyway, don't go see it.

01:29:15.740 Don't waste your three hours on the plane, two hours, whatever.

01:29:18.320 I just want to point that out to you.

01:29:19.580 That's a public service.

01:29:20.720 I mean, now that I'm in California, I feel the need to opine on films.

01:29:23.460 I think that's right.

01:29:24.260 That's what you should be doing.

01:29:25.120 Literally no knowledge of any of them other than the one I just watched on the show.

01:29:28.020 Oh, wait, I'll give you one other.

01:29:29.200 Actually, I will give you another.

01:29:30.140 I did watch that new Netflix Amy Winehouse documentary, Back to Black.

01:29:34.900 Oh, a lot of, yeah, a lot of people are talking about that.

01:29:36.900 That was amazing.

01:29:38.060 She's fantastic.

01:29:39.040 She's, I mean, that's an amazing story.

01:29:41.320 The young woman who plays Amy.

01:29:42.840 I feel very connected to her, like in the 90s when she, you know, and I was in London

01:29:45.600 then and really into the music and you'd see her around.

01:29:48.420 Yeah, she was a Brit. 0.84

01:29:49.320 You know, it's really, I feel very connected to her.

01:29:51.740 It's very sad.

01:29:52.800 I mean, it's really tragic.

01:29:54.300 She died at age 27 of alcoholism.

01:29:57.600 So talented.

01:29:58.300 So incredibly talented.

01:29:59.620 Like a once in a lifetime voice.

01:30:01.120 Yeah.

01:30:01.540 Well, the woman who plays her is amazing and apparently did her own singing. 0.99

01:30:07.160 I don't know how they did it because she sounds just like Amy Winehouse and she was incredible. 1.00

01:30:13.360 I don't, I didn't really know her from any other work, but she's, she's been in some other

01:30:16.820 things.

01:30:17.120 Anyway.

01:30:17.320 So there you go.

01:30:18.340 There's a little, call me Siskel.

01:30:20.700 I gave you my, I gave you your thoughts for the day.

01:30:23.700 Okay.

01:30:25.540 The, what is I looking at?

01:30:27.120 Oh, the New York Times poll, Steve, what was it?

01:30:29.360 You all want to talk about the fascist thing.

01:30:30.680 The fascist thing.

01:30:31.460 Sorry.

01:30:31.740 Yeah.

01:30:31.900 I lost my train of thought.

01:30:32.800 Let's get to Hitler. 0.95

01:30:33.840 So I'll get to Mika in a second.

01:30:36.560 I want to do the fascism stuff. 0.84

01:30:38.380 It's amping up and they have decided that this is going to be the theme of her closing message

01:30:42.920 when she speaks at the Ellipse on Tuesday.

01:30:46.280 Um, even though the data coming out right now show that independents who are being asked

01:30:51.020 by this, like the last, not independents, but undecideds are being asked anecdotally

01:30:55.020 by people like the wall street journal or pulling them directly.

01:30:57.940 What, you know, what, what works for you.

01:31:00.220 And they're saying the last thing we want to hear is more divisive messaging about the

01:31:03.040 other candidates.

01:31:03.920 This isn't it, but this is, this is good for the democratic base.

01:31:08.480 So do you think the average American knows what a fascist is?

01:31:13.520 I think they know it's an insult.

01:31:15.220 Yeah.

01:31:15.580 I don't think they process it in terms of anything that affects their life.

01:31:19.080 I don't think so either.

01:31:19.960 That's why it's ineffective.

01:31:20.700 That, that's, it needs to be a word that if you say he's Hitler, we all get it. 1.00

01:31:25.960 If you say fascist, it's like even John Kelly, when he was trying to dump all over Trump to

01:31:30.480 the New York times had to look it up to say whether he was a fascist or not.

01:31:34.360 And it's so, I mean, there's so many layers to it.

01:31:36.260 Like on the one level, it's just preposterous and juvenile.

01:31:38.700 It's like a sort of kid throwing out insults.

01:31:40.920 I remember there's a, there's a, there's a great movie called Life is Sweet from a great

01:31:44.660 British director, Mike Lee, very on the left.

01:31:46.620 Um, and I remember this movie and there's, there's, there's a kid, like a 16 year old

01:31:50.980 girl and she's read all this stuff and she's, and she calls everyone, um, a fascist. 0.98

01:31:55.540 And again, in this very high pitch, you're a fascist, capitalist, you know, just throwing 0.89

01:31:59.020 these insults around, like doesn't really know what to me. 0.72

01:32:01.160 And, um, it's like that it's juvenile and, and, and kind of sad that that's, that's what

01:32:05.440 they're resorting to.

01:32:06.340 But on the other hand, it's also desperate.

01:32:08.160 And so you can see that everything else is failing.

01:32:10.280 Well, but what do you say to your California friends when they say he wants to unleash

01:32:13.660 the military?

01:32:14.800 He's calling people enemy from within.

01:32:17.300 He's saying he wanted to terminate the constitution.

01:32:19.940 By the way, just a fact check on that terminate the constitution thing.

01:32:22.700 It was a tweet or truth social post he posted after the Hunter Biden top, uh, laptop, some

01:32:29.200 of the efforts to keep it, uh, scrapped and off of the, out of the public eye were revealed.

01:32:34.240 And he sent out a truth social post saying we should spend, you should suspend the constitution

01:32:38.660 and I should be reinstated.

01:32:40.440 Well, look, that, that, that's the next layer, which is, okay, let's just give, let's just

01:32:44.660 engage with it on the substance. 0.77

01:32:45.900 It is just completely ridiculous because it was like with so many things, they are guilty

01:32:50.940 of the exact same thing they accuse everyone else of.

01:32:53.340 So they say, you know, going against the constitution, what did Biden do with the student loan stuff

01:32:57.660 when the Supreme court told him it's illegal?

01:32:59.660 He did it anyway.

01:33:00.620 You talk about California.

01:33:01.640 And the red debatement program.

01:33:03.000 Endless examples of them completely ignoring the constitution, the rule of law, whatever.

01:33:07.680 Um, you look at California, they constantly lecture us.

01:33:11.040 And this is part of that whole theme, a threat to democracy and whatever here in California,

01:33:14.920 they've been overturning elections.

01:33:17.360 That is exactly what they've been doing.

01:33:18.940 Huntington beach, not far from us here, where we are today in LA, they passed in March a ballot

01:33:23.780 initiative.

01:33:24.460 The voters passed a voter ID.

01:33:26.180 They voted for it.

01:33:27.120 The next day, Gavin Newsom and Rob Bond to the state attorney general sued them to overturn

01:33:31.220 it.

01:33:31.700 Then they put a law.

01:33:32.480 They got their cronies in the legislature to pass a law banning any other place from voting

01:33:37.020 for something that they wanted.

01:33:38.520 And there's another one.

01:33:39.340 There's a ballot initiative earlier this year called the Taxpayer Protection and Government

01:33:43.120 Accountability Act, which would maintain existing protections and add a few more for tax increases

01:33:48.720 that are unconstitutional.

01:33:50.060 On the California constitution, what do they do?

01:33:52.560 They go to the California Supreme Court and bully them to take it off the ballot before

01:33:57.080 the voters have even voted for it.

01:33:58.960 And these are the people that lecture us about democracy.

01:34:00.980 By the way, they constantly go on about the, you know, the Trump's handpicked justices,

01:34:04.460 the Supreme Court, the conservative Supreme Court here in California.

01:34:07.860 It's not six to three, like you have the federal Supreme Court.

01:34:11.220 There's seven justices here in California, six to one, Democrats, the Republicans.

01:34:15.380 They don't go on about that being some outrageous abuse of power.

01:34:19.020 I mean, the list of things where they're doing the exact stuff that they accuse Trump of,

01:34:23.760 it's just so long.

01:34:24.940 And so even on the substance, it doesn't add up.

01:34:27.380 But the real thing I think is just, it's revealing about, I think something that's really

01:34:31.580 true of the left these days, which is that they really do place more, it's about the words.

01:34:37.520 It's not about the reality or the practicality.

01:34:40.000 As long as you say the right words, that's all that matters.

01:34:42.440 They don't even think about the consequences of words and what they actually mean. 0.98

01:34:47.060 So they say this stuff that's ridiculous. 0.97

01:34:49.060 They're trying to scare people. 0.94

01:34:50.680 They're trying to scare people that they don't know what they're going to get.

01:34:53.240 They're going to get some sort of truly dangerous figure in there.

01:34:55.640 People have experienced it.

01:34:57.600 That's the thing.

01:34:58.100 That's the problem.

01:34:58.460 They had four years of Trump.

01:35:00.280 And actually, it wasn't any of this stuff.

01:35:02.240 It was peace and prosperity.

01:35:04.100 People, it wasn't that long ago, they remember their lives were better.

01:35:07.320 And so they're saying, yeah, let's bring the good times back.

01:35:09.300 So all this stuff, I think, is just going to be completely ineffective, except for people

01:35:12.880 who already believe he's a monster anyway.

01:35:14.860 And we're never going to vote for him.

01:35:16.740 The level of hysteria has gone to an 11.

01:35:20.220 I'll give you Mika Brzezinski, who is talking about the women and how they need to protect 0.84

01:35:25.260 their lives by voting. 0.99

01:35:26.700 Well, he's killing women. 1.00

01:35:27.600 That's exactly it. 1.00

01:35:28.580 Here, watch.

01:35:31.380 As important as Trump's fascism is, and is the lead story every day, his cozying up to

01:35:39.420 dictators, his obsession with Hitler that has now come out, what he has said about our veterans,

01:35:46.660 and what he wants to do with the military against his political adversaries, it's all huge news.

01:35:53.300 This is the future that we're looking at in the next Trump term, if there is one.

01:35:58.480 But this is what voters know right now, that he is killing us and talking about us women.

01:36:06.540 He's killing us.

01:36:08.900 I'm sorry.

01:36:09.940 I know it's like...

01:36:11.000 Not persuaded.

01:36:11.860 It's just so hilarious.

01:36:13.160 It's like you put into chat GPT, you know, like, show me a completely unhinged rant about

01:36:19.200 Trump with all the favorite buzzwords.

01:36:21.100 But it's just incredible.

01:36:22.060 It's laughable.

01:36:22.980 It really is laughable.

01:36:24.120 You can't...

01:36:24.760 I mean, I...

01:36:26.020 Yes, we should engage with it seriously on one level, because again, this is coming from

01:36:29.820 the people.

01:36:30.760 And she says this, like, on the Oprah thing, which was another disaster.

01:36:34.700 But what's the big argument she makes?

01:36:36.400 It's time to bring the country together the last few years.

01:36:39.560 And that's her answer about why, you know, trying to escape accountability for the Biden

01:36:44.180 years.

01:36:44.520 She said, well, since Trump came on the scene, we've been so divided.

01:36:47.420 We need to come together.

01:36:48.660 We're all about unity.

01:36:49.460 And then she comes out with this, and they don't even realize, like, that actually, you

01:36:54.160 can't just separate calling Trump a fascist and Hitler from the fact that half the country's

01:36:58.600 supporting him.

01:36:59.460 No, that's different.

01:36:59.860 What does it say about them?

01:37:00.980 No, that's different, Steve, because what they're saying is real.

01:37:04.160 That's how they think about it.

01:37:06.020 I mean, I'm pretty sure this is how they justify it in their own minds.

01:37:09.340 I do want to show you this one.

01:37:11.440 Harry Enten over at CNN has been, I think he's emerged as the star of this election.

01:37:15.640 I want to know more about him.

01:37:16.720 I'm kind of curious about this guy.

01:37:18.120 I love his accent.

01:37:18.880 Sounds like he's from maybe Long Island.

01:37:21.120 Here he is talking about how Trump could win the popular vote.

01:37:25.820 Listen to this.

01:37:26.920 Stop 15.

01:37:28.040 Donald Trump is very much in a position.

01:37:30.320 He could win the popular vote, which, of course, is something he would absolutely love

01:37:34.300 to do.

01:37:34.720 I went back to the time machine to see where were the past two races at this point in the

01:37:39.820 campaign.

01:37:40.600 Look, Harris in the average poll right now is up by one, well within the margin of error.

01:37:44.980 You go back four years ago, Joe Biden was well ahead of Donald Trump in the national

01:37:49.400 popular vote polls.

01:37:50.340 He was up by nine.

01:37:51.300 Even Hillary Clinton was up by six points.

01:37:53.600 It hasn't happened since 2004 in George W. Bush defeating John Kerry.

01:37:58.740 And that's only the one time that it has happened.

01:38:01.460 In fact, you have to go all the way back, all the way back to 1988 to find another one

01:38:06.820 when it was George W. Bush's father, George H.W. Bush, winning the popular vote over Michael

01:38:11.620 Dukakis. 0.91

01:38:12.420 There are some reasons for this.

01:38:13.900 And I think Democrats' heads are all exploding out there watching this right now.

01:38:17.400 Donald Trump winning the popular vote could absolutely happen.

01:38:20.380 You might as well wrap your minds around it now, folks, if you don't like Donald Trump.

01:38:23.720 Down into the state-level polling.

01:38:25.160 And you can see that Donald Trump is doing particularly well in California, Florida, New York, and Texas.

01:38:30.320 Of course, none of these states are really on the board at this point.

01:38:33.320 So Donald Trump may end up gaining in the national popular vote polls, but actually is wasting

01:38:37.420 votes, which could, in fact, lead to a case where Kamala Harris could sneak by in the Electoral 1.00

01:38:40.880 College by sweeping those Great Lake battleground states, which at this point are way too close

01:38:44.580 to call, John.

01:38:45.520 Oh, my God.

01:38:47.040 Can you imagine that?

01:38:48.380 By the way, does something make you feel a little bit old when you said 1988, as if it's

01:38:52.160 like ancient history?

01:38:52.740 That far ago, where the dinosaurs were still roaming.

01:38:55.940 But that is so brilliant.

01:38:56.920 I mean, imagine that.

01:38:58.580 Maybe that's what he's doing in New York at Madison Square Garden.

01:39:03.420 Maybe that's why she's playing defense with Beyonce in Texas, trying to keep the national 1.00

01:39:08.380 vote numbers down.

01:39:09.200 Not that the national vote will determine who wins the presidency, but it is kind of interesting.

01:39:13.520 This is the thing.

01:39:14.120 I mean, I'm on the road in California the whole time, as I mentioned.

01:39:16.600 You see really strong Trump support everywhere.

01:39:18.380 I mean, yesterday, just in Santa Barbara County, Trump flags everywhere.

01:39:23.100 The day before, Marin County, one of the bluest in the entire state of California, across

01:39:27.620 the 101 freeway.

01:39:28.600 I put it out on my social media.

01:39:29.960 Trump signs, let's go, Brandon, you know.

01:39:31.980 OK, in New York City, where my friend is, she keeps me updated now that I moved out.

01:39:36.700 They've got on the apartments and the townhouses, there are little fake tombstones that read

01:39:41.600 like, reproductive rights, the environment, like all the things that are going to die if

01:39:47.280 Trump wins.

01:39:48.380 So it's different.

01:39:49.840 It's different depending on where you are.

01:39:52.180 I hope those Californians get to the polls and I hope you win in all of the ballot things

01:39:57.360 that you're pushing and fights you're fighting.

01:39:58.660 Thank you, Steve.

01:39:59.280 Thank you, Megan.

01:39:59.860 Great to be with you.

01:40:00.340 Great to see you.

01:40:05.580 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:40:07.440 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 25, 2024

Dems Try Scare Tactics as Closing Message, and Why Trump is Dominating, with James Woods, Steve Hilton, and Shooter Jennings ｜ Ep. 926

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