The Megyn Kelly Show - Dems Try To Buy a New Joe Rogan, and Deadly Anti-Israel Terror Attack in D.C, with Michael Knowles and Ana Kasparian ｜ Ep. 1078

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.860 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.260 Two young Israeli embassy staffers murdered by an anti-Israel man yelling a chant heard for years now on liberal college campuses and streets of major cities.

00:00:26.380 Free, free Palestine.

00:00:27.460 Also, there is only one solution, Intifada Revolution.

00:00:32.900 It happened last night around 9 p.m. outside the Jewish Museum in Washington, D.C.

00:00:37.460 According to eyewitnesses, the alleged gunman, Elias Rodriguez, was seen sitting calmly on a bench outside of the event and then pacing back and forth.

00:00:47.520 He approached a group of people leaving the museum and shot two of them at close range.

00:00:53.280 Rodriguez then calmly walked back inside the museum.

00:00:58.000 And in the chaos of the scene, people initially thought he was a victim.

00:01:03.040 One witness saying the shooter said, I did it.

00:01:06.060 I did it for Gaza. 0.65

00:01:07.640 Free, free Palestine.

00:01:08.720 Another witness described those moments to Fox 5 local in D.C.

00:01:13.160 You know, I did see somebody run in.

00:01:16.520 The security guard happened to let this guy in.

00:01:18.540 I guess they were thinking that he was a victim.

00:01:20.800 And he was covered in rain.

00:01:22.880 He was clearly in trauma.

00:01:24.200 He was in shock.

00:01:25.600 And, you know, some of the people at the event brought him water.

00:01:28.100 They sat him down.

00:01:28.760 Are you OK?

00:01:29.380 Were you shot?

00:01:30.460 What happened?

00:01:31.180 And he's like, he's like, somebody call the cops, bring the cops in.

00:01:35.360 So about 10 minutes later, when the cops actually came in, he put his hands up.

00:01:40.040 He grabbed a red coffee out of his pocket and started the free Palestine chants.

00:01:44.260 You know, there's only one solution, Intifada revolution. 0.80

00:01:46.940 And he was being dragged out of the building as he was yelling, free Palestine.

00:01:51.640 While he was being arrested, the shooter could again be heard screaming, free Palestine. 0.78

00:01:58.200 And it was caught on tape.

00:01:59.400 No, no, no.

00:02:09.160 Free, free Palestine.

00:02:12.440 Free, free Palestine.

00:02:16.280 Free, free Palestine.

00:02:21.640 That video there from Yuval David.

00:02:25.740 The victims were 28-year-old Jeroen Lashinsky and his girlfriend, Sarah Milgram.

00:02:31.400 Jeroen reportedly had apparently planned to propose to Sarah next week during a trip to Jerusalem.

00:02:38.660 Oh, it's awful.

00:02:40.420 Here's what we know about the suspect.

00:02:42.460 He's 30 years old.

00:02:43.940 He's got an online biography that says he was born and raised in Chicago.

00:02:49.600 His LinkedIn profile says he graduated from the University of Illinois, Chicago.

00:02:54.500 The Daily Mail and New York Post report that in the past, Rodriguez was involved in activism with the Party for Socialism and Liberation, not to mention Black Lives Matter.

00:03:04.000 The Party for Socialism is a far-left group that regularly posts anti-Israel rhetoric.

00:03:10.780 The group confirmed Rodriguez's membership online but distanced itself from the shooting, stating,

00:03:15.080 we have nothing to do with the shooting and do not support it.

00:03:17.760 Cool.

00:03:18.940 However, a few hours earlier, the group had tweeted, the world will not forget the crimes of the U.S. and Israel. 0.83

00:03:24.980 In 2017, this guy participated in a BLM-led protest regarding the 2014 police-involved shooting of Laquan McDonald

00:03:32.480 and Chicago's efforts to bring Amazon's headquarters to the city.

00:03:35.820 The sign Rodriguez held up said, red, money for people's needs, not Amazon.

00:03:42.540 In an interview, Rodriguez said, whitening of Seattle is structurally racist and a direct danger to all workers who live in that city.

00:03:54.460 Wow.

00:03:54.740 According to the Jerusalem Post, Rodriguez made a political donation to the Joe Biden campaign in 2020.

00:04:01.640 A short time ago, Ken Klippenstein, an independent journalist who used to work for The Intercept, posted to his own website, Rodriguez's alleged manifesto.

00:04:10.840 Please understand, these sometimes turn out to be not the manifesto, but in it, Klippenstein writes, quote,

00:04:20.320 I am publishing it here not to glorify the violence, but so the public can better understand the truth of what happened.

00:04:26.540 I believe that sunlight is the best disinfectant, especially when politics is involved, as the document makes clear is the case here.

00:04:32.400 That's Klippenstein.

00:04:33.180 But the alleged manifesto, again, heavy caveat here. 0.98

00:04:38.660 I've covered so many of these damn fucking shootings, and we often turn out to have what's allegedly a manifesto, and it's not the manifesto. 0.98

00:04:47.240 In any event, this one reads, take it for what it's worth, public opinion has shifted against the genocidal apartheid state, and the American government has simply shrugged. 0.99

00:04:55.340 They'll do without public opinion then, criminalize it where they can, suffocate it with bland reassurances, blah, blah, blah, blah.

00:05:02.620 I'm not reading more of this.

00:05:03.800 You get the idea.

00:05:04.640 He was very anti-Israel, and his own statements on site made that pretty clear.

00:05:11.600 Before we welcome our guest, Michael Knowles, to talk about this story, there was an extraordinary moment on CNN this morning.

00:05:18.040 Another eyewitness to the shooting went on to describe what he saw, and he had a blunt take on the shooting and how it ties into what we've seen on so many of these college campuses.

00:05:28.820 And would you just watch the anchor revolt?

00:05:32.720 You can see she's very uncomfortable with him making this tie.

00:05:37.020 What a shock.

00:05:38.760 Watch this.

00:05:39.320 As you go forward, as you go forward with what you have seen, can you give us any sense, because you said you looked the shooter in the eyes, can you give us any sense of what you saw in him as he was sort of getting help, and people were tending to him as if he too was a victim of seeing this?

00:05:58.640 Yeah, to be clear, I, like, heard about that part, because we were in a secure room when he initially walked in.

00:06:04.340 I just saw him screaming and then being handcuffed.

00:06:07.580 But what I saw in his eyes, I mean, I went to Columbia for grad school, and I saw the same thing in his eyes as I saw in the eyes of all the protesters at Columbia.

00:06:15.620 Nothing different between him and them.

00:06:17.020 But they did not create this horrific shooting.

00:06:23.900 They did not, you know, sort of, they didn't shoot.

00:06:27.800 They created, they gave permission.

00:06:30.300 They gave the permission.

00:06:31.920 And they have called for this.

00:06:33.160 They have called for intifada revolution, which is the same thing he yelled last night.

00:06:37.220 Do you worry that there will be a conflation, though, of the two, those people who are speaking their mind, who really care about what is happening in Gaza, and those people who are like this person, who did this horrific shooting, who intend to do harm?

00:06:56.680 A conflation.

00:06:57.880 I mean, they are calling for intifada.

00:07:00.100 At Columbia University, they call for intifada constantly.

00:07:03.460 They're not quietly.

00:07:04.200 They're loud.

00:07:05.000 They're loud.

00:07:05.500 You can hear it.

00:07:06.120 They make recordings of themselves.

00:07:07.500 So what's the difference?

00:07:08.980 Are you afraid?

00:07:11.480 Yes. 1.00

00:07:13.320 You're an idiot. 1.00

00:07:15.140 That is not what you ask the fucking eyewitness. 1.00

00:07:17.400 Oh, she's so worried about the tie he's making to the violence that was just unleashed against two people walking out of this Israel event. 0.98

00:07:26.240 And what we're hearing on college campuses, literally calling for an intifada against anybody who's pro-Israel.

00:07:33.200 So heaven forbid you make that connection.

00:07:35.480 Sorry, it's obvious.

00:07:38.120 No one's saying, Sarah Sider, that they caused it, that they made this guy do it.

00:07:46.220 But it's exactly the same rhetoric.

00:07:47.980 And, you know, Jewish people are getting a little sick of college campuses allowing these people to run around calling for their murder. 0.55

00:07:56.040 It's kind of upsetting.

00:07:57.300 But she's so, she recoils at him making the connection. 1.00

00:08:02.180 Fuck off. 1.00

00:08:02.800 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:08:03.220 That's so fucking annoying. 0.74

00:08:05.340 Joining me now, Michael Knowles. 0.98

00:08:06.600 He's hosted the Michael Knowles Show for The Daily Wire.

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00:09:12.480 That's so annoying to me.

00:09:14.080 No one's saying that the people on the College of Columbia directly caused that guy to unleash this violence.

00:09:21.000 But it would be asinine to not note this is exactly the same rhetoric we're hearing on these far-left college campuses from coast to coast.

00:09:32.240 Obviously, this guy is rattled.

00:09:34.020 He was an eyewitness to it.

00:09:35.620 But you're not allowed to make that connection on CNN, Michael.

00:09:38.840 You're not allowed to say, gee, I don't really like these chants being allowed everywhere because it's endorsing something that, you know what, kind of feels a little genocide-y, kind of feels a little murder-y.

00:09:53.180 And now we've had two pro-Israel Israeli embassy workers killed.

00:09:58.560 Are you worried about the conflation of these two groups of people?

00:10:02.760 Well, they're saying the same thing and they say that they want the same thing.

00:10:06.660 So, yeah, I think we could probably conflate them.

00:10:09.300 That CNN lady did an earnest performance of a Norm Macdonald comedy bit. 0.98

00:10:15.020 There's a great Norm Macdonald bit where he says, my greatest fear is that Muslim radicals will get a dirty bomb and set it off in a major city and kill tens of millions of people because then the backlash against peaceful Muslims would be terrible. 0.98

00:10:29.260 That was a comedy bit that he did. 0.98

00:10:30.800 And the CNN lady is performing that as though it were earnest. 1.00

00:10:34.300 You know, this is the conclusion of the Free Palestine stuff. 0.83

00:10:39.080 I talked about this on my show yesterday or two days ago.

00:10:42.440 I mean, really spooky timing.

00:10:44.260 I said, I'm sorry.

00:10:45.900 I just can't get on board with the Free Palestine movement because I've yet to hear a coherent argument as to how what they want makes any sense.

00:10:55.680 I've yet to hear a coherent argument that the state of Israel is not justified in going to war in Gaza or even continuing the war because the hostages are still being held.

00:11:04.940 I've yet to hear a coherent argument for bringing this movement into the right wing coalition.

00:11:11.020 And I know that there are some people who are a little more favorable to the Free Palestine thing. 0.82

00:11:16.540 But I said just as a basic matter of political coalitions, the Free Palestine movement is led by frothing leftist lunatics who are inclined toward violence. 0.85

00:11:27.960 The Free Palestine movement is led by Greta Thunberg and the Columbia graduate students and Islamists.

00:11:35.260 Somehow the Islamists are the most sensible people in the movement. 1.00

00:11:38.440 That's not a good sign.

00:11:39.420 And so it just doesn't make any sense.

00:11:42.460 And it doesn't take a genius.

00:11:44.260 It doesn't take a political philosopher to realize that the logical conclusion of revolution, revolution, intifada, from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, blot out the Jews in the Middle East. 1.00

00:11:56.060 It doesn't take a genius to recognize that when people who are already inclined toward violence in politics state those things, you're going to get political violence.

00:12:06.380 Not to mention, you know, CNN, that one reporter, he interviewed Taylor Lorenz.

00:12:12.480 They're laughing about Luigi like he's been lionized over there.

00:12:17.060 Not to mention they had Caitlin Collins out there promoting his crowdfund link.

00:12:21.560 You know, maybe now might be a time to be a little bit more careful in how you handle these stories.

00:12:29.040 It's possible you've been a little too slow to connect these messages to resulting violence, right?

00:12:37.900 You've been a little too quick to fan the flames or to tamp down the flames connecting all this rhetoric and then resulting violence.

00:12:46.820 I just like CNN, I don't know what they're doing over there, but it's not journalism.

00:12:51.620 She immediately pivoted. 0.81

00:12:53.300 Why don't you just get his story?

00:12:55.060 Get his testimonial.

00:12:56.380 This is how he feels. 0.99

00:12:57.700 Shut the fuck up with your justifications of what we're hearing on college campuses. 1.00

00:13:01.260 It's so annoying to me that he just watched two people get shot to death. 1.00

00:13:06.040 He's upset.

00:13:07.220 He's drawing a comparison to the rhetoric he's been hearing for two years now.

00:13:11.940 Let him have his say, Sarah, it's not for you to try to cleanse his opinions.

00:13:19.300 That CNN lady is demonstrating the suicidal impulse within liberalism, which is that whenever they see any political action, they see a clear perpetrator and they see a clear victim and they say, well, it has to be the opposite.

00:13:34.740 They always have to immediately take the side of the perpetrator and always immediately neglect the victim, even when the political action is so clear as a murderer murders a young couple, a young couple of civilians.

00:13:48.000 You know, this is not to say that the Israel-Palestine issue is without nuance and complexity and totally clear cut.

00:13:55.720 I recognize there's been a lot of nuance and complexity to this issue, not only for about 100 years, but really for centuries and even millennia.

00:14:04.060 However, I want nothing to do with the free Palestine movement. 0.51

00:14:08.340 And I think that people need to have some moral clarity here.

00:14:11.500 Okay.

00:14:12.040 Just as a rule of thumb, you don't need to understand all of the complexity to realize that when the worst people on earth are all supporting one side, one political movement,

00:14:22.000 you, if you're, if you're, if you are a sensible, reasonable person should say, wow, I don't agree with these people on anything on basically any other issue.

00:14:31.480 So no, I, I probably shouldn't be on their side when it comes to this issue.

00:14:36.820 Yeah, same.

00:14:37.920 I just, I've said before, it's totally fine to criticize Israel. 1.00

00:14:41.360 It is fine to think that they've over responded to the horrific attack that they suffered on 10 seven,

00:14:47.920 but you don't run around chanting, globalize the intifada and from the river to the sea, all of the, like, these are violent.

00:14:57.160 These are calling for violence.

00:14:58.800 That's really what they are.

00:15:00.020 It's, it's different.

00:15:01.400 Free Palestine.

00:15:02.340 Okay.

00:15:02.820 That one.

00:15:03.460 Yeah, I understand.

00:15:04.200 That's less, less controversial, but these chants that we've been hearing on college campuses,

00:15:08.320 as these activists harass Jewish students, in some cases, assault Jewish students.

00:15:14.620 And then if I hear one more person try to tell me that, oh no, these are Jewish students doing the violence on college campuses, like, um, Jewish voices for peace. 0.87

00:15:24.520 It's such a joke that they're the, this is not a pro Israel group.

00:15:29.920 This is not even really a pro Jewish group.

00:15:32.020 This is a group of radicals who are pro Hamas, who are masquerading as Jewish people who speak for Jewish people.

00:15:39.600 And they're not in any event, it's, it's infuriating.

00:15:43.180 And now two people are dead.

00:15:44.420 And my understanding is, yeah, go ahead.

00:15:47.560 I'll go even further.

00:15:48.820 You know, this is not even to say that there's never a role for violence in public life.

00:15:53.600 Of course there is.

00:15:54.360 There is such a thing as just wars.

00:15:56.180 There is justified violence in self-defense.

00:15:58.740 For instance, there's justified violence after due process when the civil authority punishes criminals.

00:16:04.020 It's not even to say that violence in itself is always terrible and evil, but in this case, listen to the arguments that these people are making.

00:16:11.380 The, the free, free Palestine from the river to the sea, Israel or Palestine will be free is a call at the very least for ethnic cleansing. 0.97

00:16:18.220 If not genocide, doesn't take a genius political philosopher to understand that these kinds of arguments that the people are making are arguments, not only against the state of Israel or not even arguments against Jews or Zionism.

00:16:29.240 Their arguments against imperialism, their arguments in favor of radical liberation, their arguments in some cases in, in favor of Islamism, Islamic government.

00:16:41.540 These are arguments that we would not accept on any other front that we, that we disagree with at a fundamental philosophical level.

00:16:49.000 And so if there's been ambiguity, if there's been some lack of clarity up until now, well, now you're seeing the logical conclusion of those arguments made by the people who favor unjust political violence in many other circumstances and with which we have basically nothing in common.

00:17:06.120 That's right.

00:17:06.880 That's why Marco Rubio is ejecting these people from college campuses.

00:17:10.340 I mean, truly, they're, you're here on a student visa. 0.60

00:17:12.860 Sorry, it's a privilege.

00:17:14.740 You come over to my house for dinner and you behave badly.

00:17:17.100 I can throw you out.

00:17:17.760 It doesn't matter.

00:17:18.440 I don't care whether you're here on a visa or you're not here.

00:17:20.820 It's you're here by invitation and you can be ejected by, uh, by my whim there.

00:17:26.440 You have no right to be in my home.

00:17:27.800 And that's how Marco Rubio is treating these student visas on college campuses.

00:17:31.500 He got into this.

00:17:32.660 I'll show you, um, I'm going to get to something else that happened on, on the murders, but he got into this with representative Jayapal, the squad member, um, on Wednesday at a hearing of the house foreign affairs committee,

00:17:45.620 because he tried, is trying to eject this Tufts PhD student who wrote this op-ed in the student paper, um, that was basically aligning with the free Palestine crowd.

00:17:59.040 And he suggested he has more than that.

00:18:02.100 Two courts have looked at it and said he doesn't have more than that and that this is a matter of free speech.

00:18:06.300 I'm, I, it doesn't matter.

00:18:07.900 He, she has the right to say whatever she wants.

00:18:10.500 Sure.

00:18:10.640 While she's here in America. 0.90

00:18:11.400 And he has the right to say, I've heard enough.

00:18:14.100 You're out of here.

00:18:15.420 She has no right based on a student visa to stay.

00:18:19.320 He can say, I don't agree with those views.

00:18:22.200 They don't align with the foreign policy of this administration.

00:18:25.560 Go home.

00:18:26.660 But watch this exchange between Rubio and Jayapal.

00:18:31.000 That law student was a guest in the United States on a student visa.

00:18:34.440 No one's entitled to a student visa.

00:18:35.840 So you revoked her student visa on, based on an op-ed, which trumps the Supreme law of the land, which is the Constitution.

00:18:43.600 Someone's coming up here to stir up problems on our campus.

00:18:45.560 We're going to revoke their visa. 0.78

00:18:46.300 She didn't do any of that. 0.78

00:18:47.300 She wrote an op-ed.

00:18:48.500 She wrote an op-ed.

00:18:49.580 And I'm talking to you about her particular case.

00:18:52.060 That's her lawyer's claims and your claims.

00:18:52.760 Those are not the facts.

00:18:54.220 Reclaiming my time, you revoked her student visa because she wrote an op-ed.

00:18:59.080 And we'll do more.

00:18:59.720 We're going to do more.

00:19:00.440 Totally different process.

00:19:01.520 Student visas are a privilege. 0.95

00:19:03.620 Secretary Rubio.

00:19:04.060 We deny them all the time and we'll revoke them.

00:19:05.740 You revoked a visa based on an op-ed.

00:19:08.880 And then you allowed for masked men to snatch somebody off the street.

00:19:13.780 That's your claim.

00:19:14.680 That's your claim.

00:19:15.560 That's not accurate.

00:19:16.120 Recognize ranking.

00:19:16.800 I mean, Michael, honestly, even if it is accurate, like, okay, you know, she's made a position

00:19:24.200 clear.

00:19:24.620 He's the Secretary of State.

00:19:25.820 He's not real pro on the, you know, divest from Israel or else crowd.

00:19:31.980 And we've seen what they do.

00:19:34.240 We watched what happened on Columbia University's campus with that same crowd.

00:19:38.800 You may not like it, but that is consistent with the president's policy when it comes to supporting

00:19:44.580 Israel.

00:19:45.080 So, sorry.

00:19:46.100 The only problem with the president's policy, as far as I can tell, is that it's not broad

00:19:52.560 enough.

00:19:53.080 I also want some of these foreigners ejected for being anti-Christian, for being anti-American, 1.00

00:19:58.520 for being, because, you know, Pramila Jayapal, again, I have to ask, if you're a little confused

00:20:04.160 on this issue, do you think you're on the side of Pramila Jayapal?

00:20:07.340 Do you generally side with her on political issues?

00:20:09.820 If you don't, chances are you're probably not on her side when it comes to this issue

00:20:13.860 either.

00:20:14.660 But what is she saying?

00:20:16.820 She's saying that people have some kind of right.

00:20:19.380 Foreign nationals have some right to be here and use our resources and benefit from our country's 0.90

00:20:24.580 generosity.

00:20:25.380 Why?

00:20:26.040 Well, when you really dig down deep in this leftist ideology, it gets down to the notion

00:20:30.940 that America is bad and we owe something to everyone else and we have no right to this

00:20:36.140 land.

00:20:36.380 We have no right to our own country.

00:20:37.720 We have no right to sovereignty.

00:20:39.120 We have no right to decide who comes in and who goes.

00:20:41.620 And that's just not true.

00:20:43.360 The question that we should ask when it comes to immigration fundamentally is, do the people

00:20:47.840 who are coming here benefit our country or not?

00:20:50.780 When it comes to Columbia graduate students flying around from all over the world, most of

00:20:55.120 the time the answer is no.

00:20:57.160 And so we don't need to get much deeper than that.

00:21:00.260 Do they benefit our country?

00:21:01.520 No.

00:21:02.220 Get them out.

00:21:03.420 Get out.

00:21:04.080 Right.

00:21:04.420 We just haven't been doing it.

00:21:05.440 So now we're going to start doing it.

00:21:06.820 Good.

00:21:07.160 I stand by Marco Rubio when he says he's going to do more.

00:21:10.500 Here's representative Ilhan Omar, who hasn't posted a single thing on X.

00:21:18.400 She's very active on X.

00:21:19.740 Suddenly she's gone dark, totally quiet, even though she did post something about the big

00:21:26.180 beautiful budget bill, which happened.

00:21:28.460 And she posted that after this attack.

00:21:31.740 And then Fox News caught up with her this morning to see if she would comment and watch

00:21:36.900 what happened.

00:21:37.300 Congresswoman Omar, can I get your reaction to the shooting that happened in D.C. last

00:21:43.100 night?

00:21:43.620 I'm going to go for now.

00:21:46.440 I'm going to go for now.

00:21:48.960 She says, I'm going to go.

00:21:49.880 I'm going to go for now.

00:21:51.860 Can we play it again?

00:21:53.020 Just play it one more time.

00:21:55.680 Congresswoman Omar, can I get your reaction to the shooting that happened in D.C. last night?

00:22:00.120 I'm going to go for now. Wow. That's it. It wasn't a provocative question at all. It was

00:22:05.740 as neutral and vanilla as you could possibly ask. She couldn't muster. I condemn it. And I'm so

00:22:12.180 sorry for the two victims. She couldn't even muster that. This woman needs to be voted out 1.00

00:22:18.540 of office immediately. I cannot believe that she actually is a sitting US representative in the 0.99

00:22:25.060 House of Representatives. No comment from Ilhan Omar is probably the best thing she could have

00:22:30.100 said here, because we all know what she really thinks. I mean, this is the woman who on video

00:22:33.860 was laughing about people speaking negatively of Al Qaeda. You remember that video? They say Al

00:22:39.660 Qaeda. You know, this is a woman who has extremely radical views and obvious sympathy with Islamists 0.99

00:22:46.240 and the Free Palestine movement and the Intifada broadly. So that we know what she believes that

00:22:52.420 she's not even just some fringe radical. As you point out, Megan, this is a sitting member of

00:22:56.820 Congress. And I want nothing to do with her views. I really want nothing to do with her.

00:23:00.960 And while while we're booting radical grad students out of the country, we should probably

00:23:05.440 boot these radicals out of Congress. You know, the left for a long time has been telling us that it's

00:23:13.980 it's white men and it's the right that perpetrates violence in the United States. Somebody on Twitter 0.63

00:23:19.760 on X, um, pulled this old sod of Nicole Wallace making this point, uh, a couple of years ago.

00:23:26.340 Here she is. Oh no, we don't have it. Okay. We'll get it. We'll get it and we'll drop it in. Okay.

00:23:32.500 In any event, you know, I'm right. The left has been making this point for a long time about how

00:23:36.980 it's white men that we need to fear. It's right wing conservatism. That's the biggest danger to us in

00:23:42.280 the United States. Like, okay, now we've had Luigi. Now we've had this guy. Um, how many more

00:23:50.560 do we have to have before they actually start paying attention to their rhetoric, their messaging

00:23:55.960 and their lionization of guys like Luigi, right? Which leads to other people thinking,

00:24:03.460 maybe I'll be lionized too. Maybe I'll have a fan club. Maybe I'll have a GoFundMe and I'll bet

00:24:07.980 you dollars to donuts. This guy's going to get a GoFundMe to support him probably tomorrow.

00:24:13.700 That's probably why Ilhan Omar withheld comment. She's busy setting it up for him.

00:24:17.700 Of course, you know, it, I'm glad actually, I think that was a gift you gave to me that we don't

00:24:22.000 need to listen to Nicole Wallace right now, Megan, because you, you, you don't need to go very far 0.97

00:24:26.300 to disprove her claim that, you know, white men are the great violent threat in the country.

00:24:31.560 You can look at crime statistics and you can listen to what other people are saying, 0.95

00:24:35.840 but this has been true for a long time that the left made much hay over January 6th,

00:24:40.300 the worst day in the history of this or any Republic. But of course, not only was that not

00:24:43.920 the worst attack ever on the Capitol, it's probably not even in the top three. And when you look at

00:24:49.260 violent attacks on the Capitol, including Congressman being shot, they were almost always perpetrated

00:24:53.940 by radical leftists. The radical left has embraced political violence going back at least

00:24:58.540 to the French revolution, uh, when the term left in a political sense was first invented.

00:25:04.700 So this is a longstanding problem. And, uh, there's, there's no surprise whatsoever.

00:25:10.100 You have to ask yourself on this particular issue, the Intifada and the free, free Palestine

00:25:15.900 movement, what are they really saying? They're, they're saying that we need to get rid of the

00:25:21.580 state of Israel because even if you say, okay, hold on, you don't think that the state of Israel

00:25:24.840 was justified in going to war against Gaza after the Gazans attacked them on October 7th,

00:25:29.920 a couple of years ago, they would say, well, it didn't start then, you know, actually some of them

00:25:34.480 would even defend October 7th as a justified response to Israeli oppression. And if you keep

00:25:39.180 scratching that deep enough, you get down to their ultimate claim, which is that the state of

00:25:43.720 Israel has no right to exist. They shouldn't have been there in the first place. And I say, okay, 1.00

00:25:47.620 I'll keep an open mind. What's the argument for that? Because when I look at the foundation of the

00:25:52.360 state of Israel, I see the Balfour declaration. So the empire that controlled the land, the British 0.71

00:25:57.660 empire said the Jews can have a territory in this land. Then I see the UN establishing the state of

00:26:03.580 Israel. So if you believe in international law at all, I guess you'd have to recognize that. 0.57

00:26:07.680 And then the Israelis fought a war in 1948 to take the land. So even by the law of conquest, 0.75

00:26:12.320 you see the establishment. And so you might say, well, I don't like how that war turned out or the

00:26:17.520 subsequent wars. You might say, I don't like the UN. You might say, I don't like the British empire.

00:26:21.360 But if you accept the most basic premises of our international system, going back to the peace of

00:26:26.900 Westphalia, it's really hard to make a coherent argument for the ethnic cleansing that the free, 0.99

00:26:32.120 free Palestine movement wants to, to effect. So then at that point with logic gone totally out

00:26:38.100 the window, all that the political movement can come down to is a kind of senseless violence where

00:26:44.840 they're going to start murdering civilians to affect political ends, which is the basic definition of

00:26:49.880 terrorism that was always built in. And if you've fallen for, for this kind of rhetoric up until this

00:26:55.620 point, I think at this moment you have to say, all right, this is a bridge too far. And as is often

00:27:02.000 the case in politics, you kind of have to pick a side. Yeah. Okay. So she must be watching because

00:27:07.880 Ilan Omar literally just dropped the following statement on X. Megan Kelly show and Michael

00:27:16.740 Knowles fan. She writes, I am appalled by the deadly shooting at the Capitol Jewish museum last night,

00:27:21.240 holding the victims, their families and loved ones in my thoughts and prayers. Violence should have no

00:27:25.040 place in our country. I don't believe her. I don't believe her at all. Otherwise she wouldn't have

00:27:29.720 paused before turning to that Fox news reporter saying, I'm going to go now. It wasn't a tough

00:27:34.280 question. It's so easy. It wasn't. Even if you are the most pro free, free Palestine person in

00:27:41.180 Congress, and she might actually hold that title. She's definitely up there. Yeah. At the very least,

00:27:45.240 you're asking, couldn't you just say, oh yes, we're, we're praying for the victims. Rick,

00:27:48.040 we asked Scott and Pache, you know, I'll say a prayer and move on. If you can't muster even that

00:27:52.500 most base, I mean, look, when, uh, any political opponent gets sick, Joe Biden just got, he just

00:27:59.140 announced he had, he had cancer. Every single Republican I saw, no matter how much they despise

00:28:03.280 Joe Biden, they said, okay, well, we say prayer. It's cancer's awful. You know, he's a fellow human

00:28:07.120 being. Uh, you know, I, I, uh, I, I'll raise him up in prayer. That's the most basic thing you could

00:28:12.440 possibly say. She couldn't muster that. It just shows the level of contempt with which she holds her

00:28:17.440 opponents. Yeah, no, it's obvious. And it's been obvious to us for a while, for a while. She's, um,

00:28:23.280 there was, um, the moment when Fox reporter Hillary Vaughn, do you remember this caught up with her

00:28:28.920 asking about Hamas terrorists? This was from 2023. She was all over the internet and all over our show 0.75

00:28:36.520 just for her insensitivity to what had been done to the Israelis, what was being done to Jews on college

00:28:42.360 campuses here. Here was this moment.

00:28:44.200 Do you think that Israel should just lay down their arms and not try to get the hostages out 0.86

00:28:57.120 of Gaza? How can Israel have a ceasefire with terrorists whose entire mission is to wipe out

00:29:04.720 their existence? How can they have a ceasefire if they're trying to wipe out this crazy lady? 1.00

00:29:11.860 Don't worry about her. Ignore this crazy lady. Don't worry about her. That's what Ilhan Omar finally 1.00

00:29:17.340 said. I can't, I mean, like, it's really kind of scary that this woman is in the U S Congress. I 0.99

00:29:21.280 realize the bar is kind of low, but it's, she's as low as they come. I mean, truly, we have a true

00:29:27.700 anti-Semite sitting there voting on legislation as we speak. Well, ironically, Ilhan's point of view is

00:29:35.520 actually the way that I view Ilhan Omar. I said, don't worry about this crazy lady. Forget about her. 1.00

00:29:39.380 Ignore her. Maybe, maybe boot her out of Congress when you have the chance. 1.00

00:29:43.300 Isn't she the one who put up the Somalian flag outside of her office? Like, cool. Okay, great.

00:29:48.980 All right. So that's her. And honestly, I mean, our prayers, not just to the families of these

00:29:55.560 victims who had everything in front of them, everything in front of them, they, by all accounts,

00:30:00.160 especially I've been hearing so many testimonials to him. Um, what they're saying

00:30:03.780 online is that his mother was Christian. His father was Jewish. Um, and he was, um, he, he was

00:30:11.220 Israeli, I think a dual citizen. And, um, she was Jewish, the girl, but they were about to get 0.95

00:30:17.160 engaged that he was reportedly just such a sweet guy. And somebody posted the last posts online of

00:30:25.040 this guy and the suspected shooter. And his last post was so sweet. It was like completely pro

00:30:32.380 America, very different from the guy who shot him. Hold on a second. Let me just see if I can find it.

00:30:38.760 It was disturbing. Yeah, here it is. Um, Marina Medvin posted this on X the tweet of this Elias

00:30:47.460 Rodriguez was the last one. Um, Oh no, not the last one, but one, a recent one death to America

00:30:55.140 with KKK, uh, in the America spelling. And here's Yaron Lashinsky, the victim, uh, from May 10th.

00:31:04.340 We are deeply grateful for the historic Alliance with our steadfast partner, the United States

00:31:08.740 and the great American people who have stood by our side. I look forward to working with this

00:31:13.640 administration to bring up about more security, freedom and peace with an Israeli flag and American

00:31:19.820 flag and two hands holding and shaking each other. I mean, just such a different mentality,

00:31:24.720 Michael, to your point. As you describe what side of the victims, Megan, I mean, this, this to me,

00:31:30.540 maybe it's just that I'm not ideological enough. I don't, maybe I'm not smart enough to figure it out.

00:31:34.700 But when I look at politics, I think very practically, I think very in a prudential way. And you see the,

00:31:41.620 the alleged perpetrator and you see the victim and you got to ask yourself, I don't care if you're

00:31:49.480 Jewish. I don't care if you believe in Zionism. If you accept the religious and historical premises

00:31:54.820 of Zionism, many people don't remember. Most people don't, uh, especially if you're Christian,

00:31:59.000 but just did a practical matter. Who do you have more in common with, but even beyond questions of

00:32:04.940 justice, who do you have more in common with? Who do you think is more on your side? The, the lunatic

00:32:09.480 shouting free, free Palestine, murdering a young, innocent couple that probably despises America. 0.97

00:32:14.740 In fact, we know he despises America because he sided with the socialists and the communists and BLM. 0.94

00:32:19.080 That person makes it pretty clear. The tweet makes it pretty clear. He says it himself,

00:32:23.260 that person or the victims. Who do, who do you think you have more? Who do you think's more on

00:32:28.240 your side? Which side do you think you should be on? That's exactly, exactly right. Um, okay,

00:32:34.280 let's keep going while we're on the subject of CNN failures, uh, Tapper and Thompson out there

00:32:40.720 pushing this book. They were on the program on Tuesday and, um, notwithstanding the fact that

00:32:45.700 we gave Jake Tapper a very hard time for not being the right person to author this book.

00:32:50.140 Alex Thompson is fine. He, he actually can author this book. He did not only try to cover some of the

00:32:55.960 Biden decline, but did better than anyone in the so-called mainstream, uh, in trying to hold Kamala

00:33:01.820 Harris's many flip-flops to account by going to her campaign over and over and saying,

00:33:07.100 do you still stand by taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners? And she would blow them off. But 0.82

00:33:12.440 Axios had an article from him virtually every day on that stuff. Okay. So he is continuing and Jake

00:33:17.420 is continuing the press tour and he went to Alex Thompson on news nation and spoke with our pal Leland

00:33:22.780 Vittert on Tuesday. And this, this is so right on, this is so right on watch this clip and stop five

00:33:30.340 15, sorry. Stop 15. When you were reporting this, did people in his inner circle, did those that you

00:33:36.820 talked to acknowledge that the media, were they surprised by how complicit the media was?

00:33:42.480 It was interesting. I had one conversation with someone, this was after the election while we were

00:33:46.100 reporting this book. Um, and, uh, this person said, listen, yes, we deserve blame for X, Y, Z. We

00:33:54.760 were hiding him. We were, but this person also sort of got in my face and they said, listen, the media

00:34:00.180 deserves some blame too. Like we were sort of amazed at some of the stuff we were able to spin

00:34:06.980 and get away with on. They, they, in some ways, the bank robber complaining that safe wasn't locked.

00:34:12.000 Yeah. They're just like, you guys, you guys should not have believed us so easily. And I thought that

00:34:16.900 was like a really interesting, but I also think that's true. I think, I think the media, um,

00:34:22.340 in a lot of ways just was not skeptical enough and did not remember the lesson that they do it to

00:34:29.520 different degrees, but every white house lies. Pretty amazing. Even the Democrats in the white

00:34:35.560 house were astonished at how compliant the media was in spreading their lies about Joe Biden.

00:34:42.000 I love seeing the media reactions to Tapper's book at which, which is golly, can you believe now

00:34:50.680 we're discovering, I mean, I guess this is actually the point of the book. We're discovering all these

00:34:54.900 things. The white house told us that Biden was perfectly fine. I mean, I know we saw him drooling

00:34:59.660 on himself in the oval office, but, but they told us, they promised us that we didn't actually see

00:35:04.780 and to pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. And these are not the droids you're looking

00:35:08.720 for. So don't blame us. We're the intrepid fourth estate that has to speak truth to power.

00:35:13.180 But, but we were told by the propagandists of the white house to stop looking. And we did don't,

00:35:18.100 don't blame, blame them. Don't blame us. Hey buddy, I thought your job,

00:35:21.480 the whole reason we have to defend the wonderful, brilliant journalists is you're going to ask the

00:35:26.120 questions. If, if all you're going to do is take the propaganda line from Democrat white house,

00:35:30.600 hook, line and sinker. Why am I even going to tune into you? I'll just watch the white house.

00:35:34.320 Uh, there's not going to be any difference in messaging. That's exactly right. Just turn on C

00:35:38.460 span. Uh, you know, you can, you can get some direct messages from Democrats without any media

00:35:42.680 filter and make up your own mind, but they acted, they really, they, they really, they helped spread

00:35:49.600 the lies and launder the lies. And now they're using this Tapper Thompson book to launder their own

00:35:57.740 cover up into a, gee, we're just now learning about this from this book. This is horrifying

00:36:04.440 information. Can't believe that this happened to us. The, these white house people are really

00:36:09.160 terrible. Meanwhile, you've got, I'm, I am going to make you look at Nicole Wallace. Cause we had 1.00

00:36:13.340 two sound bites from her today. Um, here she is. This is by somebody on X, uh, who goes by Mays Moore.

00:36:19.780 This is her, the first one under Trump calling for polygraphs of his inner circle on his fitness for

00:36:31.320 office versus under the Joe Biden regime. When those so-called cheap fake videos showing actual

00:36:40.040 Joe Biden freeze ups came out. Watch. John Kelly, we need people to Kelly and Conway. Absolutely.

00:36:47.280 Steve Bannon, Jared Kushner. Let's hook them up to a polygraph. You know what? It's a serious

00:36:53.020 offer. If you're willing, any one of you hook up to a polygraph, we'll put it on TV. You can have my

00:36:58.020 hour. We'll do one a day. Is Donald Trump fit for the presidency? Is he capable of carrying out

00:37:02.760 the responsibilities? There's a growing and insidious trend in right-wing media broadcast print and social

00:37:09.040 media. It is to take highly misleading and selectively edited videos of president Biden directly from

00:37:16.480 Republican national committee, social media accounts, and then use those videos to spread

00:37:22.340 messages virally to cast doubt on president Biden's fitness for office, cheap fakes videos of real events

00:37:28.940 that are intentionally manipulated to full viewers. Can you imagine the humiliation that she would feel

00:37:38.760 right now if she actually had an honest bone in her body? Well, fortunately she'll never have

00:37:45.280 to worry about that. The irony of her claim, they often use this, the highly, highly edited,

00:37:51.420 selected video. Yeah, they're selected to show Joe Biden speaking on the rare occasions that you'd

00:37:55.500 actually cover it. Heavily edited. What are you talking about heavily edited? We just play the

00:37:58.460 videos of him. The irony is her claim really applies to them. And I'm not even saying it applies

00:38:04.800 to the Democrat committees and the Democrat activists. I'm talking about when Kamala Harris sits 0.97

00:38:10.040 down for a 60 minutes interview and the editors have to go in there and chop it up with extreme

00:38:14.660 precision to make it sound like that woman is not babbling nonsense. And by the way, she is supposedly 0.90

00:38:20.440 in her right mind. She wasn't even suffering from dementia as Joe Biden obviously was. So now you're

00:38:25.760 going to see this quasi mea culpa. It's not even really a mea culpa. It's pointing the culpa at the

00:38:31.780 White House and saying, wow, you know, golly, I guess he really was in decline. It reminds me of

00:38:36.220 John McCain after the 2008 presidential election. Shortly afterward, when it became clear that Obama

00:38:42.820 was a complete disaster, John McCain was asked a question by a reporter. He said, there's a survey

00:38:48.100 out that shows that if the election were held today, you would have won, that most people wish that you

00:38:52.260 had won. What's your reaction to that, Senator McCain? And his answer was perfect. He said, I guess my

00:38:57.460 answer is, where were you when I needed you? That's how I feel about the media. Oh, great. You're

00:39:03.380 covering Joe Biden's decline many months now after he's left office, many, many months after the 2024

00:39:09.560 election. Hey, where were you when I needed you? You know, it's this kind of dishonesty that has

00:39:17.700 completely sunk the corporate media. I mean, it's just completely sunk them, that among many other

00:39:23.380 things. But they're, you know, they're not truth tellers. They're just not truth tellers. They are

00:39:28.160 Democrat soldiers who they're the same in their marching as the North Korean army is when we see

00:39:36.380 them falling over Kim Jong-un. They have the same loyalty to the Democrat party and are marching in

00:39:42.640 their own way. Right. So now there's an article out today in the New York Times talking about how

00:39:50.580 there there's big money over on the left wing going into fund the quote, the next Joe Rogan,

00:39:57.220 like the Democrats are serious about this. Now they've decided they have to compete in our world,

00:40:02.440 in the digital world. And they've got to find again, quote, the next Joe Rogan. And it starts

00:40:07.500 with money. They're taking all their money. They have way more money in terms of these dark donors 0.99

00:40:11.200 than the Republicans do. They've got to channel it into certain talent to try to create strong voices

00:40:17.680 in the digital lane. And I got strong feelings about whether this is going to work, Michael, but I,

00:40:23.660 I don't think, and then my top line in tossing it to you is I don't think it's going to work

00:40:28.360 among many other reasons. The Democrats aren't authentic and honest. They are the North Korean 0.98

00:40:35.580 soldiers. And anybody who would be backed by one of these dark money groups to launch his or her

00:40:41.980 podcast will necessarily be owned by them and therefore will be ineffective.

00:40:46.840 It also just can't work because Joe Rogan is a response to them. And Joe is obviously the biggest

00:40:53.680 podcaster in the world, but that's true of all the rest of us too, all the rest of us with pretty

00:40:58.580 sizable platforms. We are a response to them. We exist in this space because they failed. So they

00:41:06.300 say, well, when are the Democrats going to get our Joe Rogan? You have him. He's called NBC News or any of

00:41:12.700 the other news networks or CNN or the New York Times or the Washington Post. You have it. You

00:41:17.660 cannot complain if you're a Democrat that you have lack of exposure in the media. Okay. We have a

00:41:23.740 handful of people continually suppressed by social media platforms. And the reason that we are eating

00:41:29.460 these people's lunch is because they lie. So when CNN complains that their ratings are down after the

00:41:35.620 2024 election, don't blame me. And don't blame you, Megan. And don't blame Joe Rogan. We're not the

00:41:41.680 people watching CNN. I watch more CNN when I'm on your show because we're reacting to clips of these

00:41:46.380 people saying crazy things than I ever would on my own TV. But we're not the people who tuned out

00:41:51.020 CNN. We tuned out CNN many, many, many years ago. The people who tuned out CNN and MSNBC and all the

00:41:56.940 rest of these networks after the election were the liberal viewers who felt jilted and lied to

00:42:02.300 because they were lied to. And then they look for alternatives. And now what? You're going to try to

00:42:06.220 be the alternative to the alternative? I don't think it's going to work. It's not going to work.

00:42:10.060 This is so true. And by the way, you're like, I've heard you and I've certainly on this show

00:42:14.440 too, have been very critical of Republican leadership, depending on what they're doing.

00:42:19.700 The right doesn't tend to have those same rules as the left does. The right is constantly infighting

00:42:26.340 over who's the right candidate? What's the right approach? Which side of the MAGA wing should win?

00:42:30.860 What's the approach on foreign policy? They're not pro-censorship and pro, you know,

00:42:37.280 the duck march that we see with these weirdos on the left. It's just not the way it's not in the

00:42:42.760 right wing bloodstream. So I just don't think it's going to work. And, you know, not for nothing,

00:42:48.080 but Joe Rogan was a Bernie Sanders voter in 2020, 2020. OK, so you had Joe Rogan, you ran him out of

00:42:57.280 your party by your extremity. You know, you're you're just too far out of the mainstream. They're

00:43:02.940 too radical, Michael. You know, I heard it once described as a distinction between Bill Clinton

00:43:08.340 and Rudy Giuliani, archetypal Democrat, archetypal Republican. You can send Bill Clinton into a room

00:43:13.740 and he would find the one issue that 100 people in the room all agreed on. And you send Rudy

00:43:19.140 Giuliani into a room full of conservatives, they'd find the one issue on which they all disagreed.

00:43:23.300 There's nothing conservatives love more than disagreeing with each other. This is why on the

00:43:27.120 left you have progressives, basically only progressives left in the Democrat Party.

00:43:30.920 On the right, you have the paleocons and the neocons and the libertarians and the traditionalists and

00:43:37.560 the this and the that and the neopaleo. And I heard it described that the obscure political

00:43:43.240 monikers are the right wing version of gender pronouns. You know, we just all have to fight on

00:43:47.320 every single issue. OK, well, that creates some problems in forming political coalitions that work.

00:43:53.280 That's why what Trump was able to do in 2016 and 2024 was so impressive. He brought in all these

00:43:58.300 disparate groups who don't seem to get along, but they all voted and actually did something

00:44:02.240 together. But the advantage of having all that disagreement on the right is the truth tends to

00:44:07.080 get out a little bit. We're not so in lockstep. We're not so married to a single ideology that you

00:44:12.400 could see a political event occur right before your eyes and deny it and be and have that denial

00:44:17.800 enforced by all the powerful institutions that the Democrats have taken over.

00:44:21.860 And not only does the left control the media, I mean, everything except the digital lane and Fox,

00:44:26.960 but they control all of the media. But of course, they control so many of our cultural institutions

00:44:31.860 like Hollywood, not to mention our financial institutions, which largely lean very, very

00:44:37.760 left. We've seen that with all the woke investing. That's been a disaster over the past five years.

00:44:43.580 Sports, universities and and music, music, which is something we don't talk about that often.

00:44:49.900 I don't know if you saw this Bruce Springsteen rant against the president. He's as far left as

00:44:56.280 they come. And by the way, he has really lost his talent. I'm not saying it just to be mean.

00:45:00.880 It's true. He can't sing anymore. Someone needs to give him the gentle tap on the shoulder and tell

00:45:06.360 him it's time to exit screen stage left. Here he is in just a bit clip from Manchester, England on May

00:45:13.260 14th at a concert. People are trying to hear Bruce Springsteen music who gives two dams what he thinks

00:45:21.480 about President Trump. But he's got to launch into it. Watch.

00:45:24.760 In my home, the America I love, the America I've written about, that has been a beacon of hope 0.96

00:45:34.860 that liberty for 250 years is currently in the hands of a corrupt, incompetent, and treasonous

00:45:42.700 administration.

00:45:47.700 We ask all who believe in democracy and the best of our American experience to rise with us,

00:45:55.920 raise your voices against authoritarianism, and let freedom ring.

00:46:00.940 Okay. First of all, you're in England, so get a grip. They're not rising up against us at all.

00:46:08.600 We rose up against them and found our independence, Bruce. I got to show you the Trump response,

00:46:13.300 which is just perfect. It's a little AI manipulated video. Let's roll it.

00:46:18.900 I'll just grab it for the listening audience. It's Trump swinging his golf club, like at the

00:46:23.820 beginning of a, and then Bruce Springsteen, he trips walking upstairs and he makes it look like

00:46:30.660 his golf ball hit Bruce Springsteen. So my point, my largest, larger point is just like this. Yes,

00:46:37.840 we're, we are a reaction to this too. We are a reaction to their control of virtually every

00:46:43.680 institution in America.

00:46:46.820 Listen, I, I'm not going to pretend like I've never listened to a Bruce Springsteen song.

00:46:51.100 I was raised in New York. This is a little TMI, probably Megan. I was conceived in New Jersey. Okay.

00:46:56.620 So I've listened to plenty, uh, Love Thunder Road. Atlantic City is great, even though the band's

00:47:01.480 version of Atlantic City is better than Bruce Springsteen's version. But the reason that Trump

00:47:05.860 can get away with this right now, taking a big prominent rock star, even if he's a little past

00:47:11.080 his prime or taking a big pop star like Taylor Swift or taking any of these celebrities that

00:47:15.400 Trump takes on. The reason that Trump can get away with this in a way that no other Republican has

00:47:19.600 been able to is that Trump is a bigger pop star than they are. This is the first time Republicans have

00:47:25.220 ever had this. We came pretty close with Ronald Reagan. He was a Hollywood star. Trump is even

00:47:29.700 bigger. Trump has dominated the popular culture. Network TV was top of the ratings. Uh, he's been

00:47:36.580 in tabloids my entire life, major, uh, not only businessman, but major pop culture figure. And the

00:47:44.100 left is so off-footed by this. They've always relied on all of their favorite people. Uh, not just

00:47:50.400 Bruce Springsteen and Taylor Swift, but, uh, P Diddy. Remember that? Remember the voter die campaign?

00:47:54.640 And that one's probably coming back to bite the Democrats a little bit right now, though it's

00:47:57.340 par for the course. They would rely on the pop culture figures to drown out the voices of

00:48:02.680 conservative politicians until you get a bigger pop star, even than the ones that Democrats have.

00:48:09.160 And that's Trump and he's using it. I love that he's, he's engaging in fights with these pop

00:48:13.760 stars. Some people think it's a distraction from the real serious policy. You know, we need to just

00:48:17.720 wear all of our neckties and have white papers at the think tanks in DC. No, man, there's a,

00:48:22.420 there's a place for that. But if you want to speak to a huge portion of voters who are not

00:48:27.160 plugged into all that wonkery, who really do kind of just pay attention to like pop culture and this

00:48:32.260 stuff that's on TV, you finally have a guy in Donald Trump who can do that, who can do it very

00:48:37.080 effectively. And that golf ball just takes Bruce Springsteen right down. All right. Now in the minute

00:48:42.020 we have left, are you excited for pride month? Michael Knowles, we are just days away now from your

00:48:46.860 favorite time of year. It's very bigoted of you to even suggest Megan, that pride is limited to a

00:48:53.140 single month. You know, it began as a day, then it was a week, then it became a month. Now there's

00:48:58.180 another month. October is also another kind of LGBT month. So we are very close to pride year. 0.99

00:49:03.640 However, it's losing its corporate sponsorship. We might have reached peak pride.

00:49:09.240 Oh my gosh. I mean, I, hallelujah. I hope you're right. We've got an American Pope

00:49:13.460 and we might've reached peak pride. We'll find out momentarily because it starts in June. As my

00:49:19.400 15 year old very wisely said, why did the LGBTQ people get a whole month and the veterans only 0.99

00:49:26.720 get a day? Very good question. Michael Knowles, always a pleasure, my friend. Thanks for coming on.

00:49:32.720 Great to be with you, Megan. All right. Coming up next, an actual Democrat who does criticize her 0.64

00:49:37.800 own side and they criticize her too, a lot for coming on this show, but she does it,

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00:50:52.820 Democrats continue to spiral and pass the blame on covering up Joe Biden's health and the 2024 loss.

00:50:59.920 So what comes next? Joining me now, someone who has a lot of thoughts, she is the host and executive

00:51:04.740 producer of The Young Turks, Anna Kasparian. Anna, welcome back. So there's some soul searching. I

00:51:13.260 don't know if that's, is it real? Is it real soul searching? Is it like just desperate darts at a

00:51:18.820 board stuff? What's happening right now as the Democrats deal with this Tapper book in addition to

00:51:24.400 the other books that have come out and just the reality of Trump governing? There needs to be some

00:51:29.820 soul searching. I question whether that's really taking place right now within the Democratic

00:51:35.280 establishment. And unfortunately, what I'm seeing in liberal media is this effort to provide cover for

00:51:43.660 what the Democrats did in the last election cycle while simultaneously condemning the authors of any book

00:51:51.000 that sheds a negative light on the Biden administration and the Biden camp. And to be quite

00:51:58.080 frank with you, I'm just tired of political figures, whether we're talking about Democrats or Republicans

00:52:05.060 who are more interested in their own political ambitions, in their own, you know, money making

00:52:11.340 capability, as opposed to serving as public servants to do what's right for their party, for their

00:52:18.000 constituents. I just see this whole situation as one big egotistical mess. And the party will continue

00:52:26.480 losing as long as they fail to take a moment, just a beat to self-reflect and figure out what they need

00:52:33.740 to do to reform, to move forward and be a far more appealing party. Right now, they are not an appealing

00:52:38.980 party. The polls indicate that. You know, it's funny because when we watched the Democrats these past

00:52:43.880 four years and earlier than that, too, we pointed out many times when things weren't going Joe Biden's

00:52:49.140 way in the polls, for example, while while he was just president or while he was running, they would

00:52:55.420 constantly say, we've got to change the message. Like people aren't understanding how great he is.

00:53:01.440 Like it's it's the messaging that's the problem, as opposed to the underlying policies or like the

00:53:07.400 actual choices he was making open borders for one. And now it seems like they're in the same

00:53:12.580 damning cycle where the reports are what we need is more online influencers. You know, we what we need

00:53:21.200 is our own Joe Rogan. So we're going to throw money at developing a Joe Rogan type on the left. And

00:53:28.760 from my perch, all I can think is that's not it. When you get your, you know, well-funded left wing

00:53:37.960 guy who is a man's man, who's into like martial arts and mixed martial arts and is cool and is

00:53:45.140 funny and somebody that other guys can look up to. He cannot then spend the two hours saying

00:53:51.900 you, you can't say that word and you can't say that word. And we have to begin with a land

00:53:57.900 acknowledgement every day. Like, and that's where the Democrat party largely is right now.

00:54:01.820 Well, it's thought of as the party of scolds and they do need to move away from that, especially

00:54:07.580 if they're looking to build a coalition large enough to win critical elections. And really,

00:54:14.340 I think a lot of Americans are fatigued by constantly like looking over their shoulder,

00:54:19.180 worried that they might say the wrong thing, worried that they might be cast off as some

00:54:23.400 sort of bigot or racist because they accidentally used a word that's no longer in vogue with the

00:54:28.320 whole of the democratic party. Look, I think most Americans are good people. And I think,

00:54:33.060 you know, when culture changes, we have to have some grace with individuals to change along with

00:54:38.140 it or to adapt with those changes. I think most Americans are good people who are not bigoted,

00:54:43.120 who are not racist, who are not hateful, but want to live in a pluralistic society that treats

00:54:48.820 all sides and all identities fairly. And what you kind of see with the democratic party right now is just

00:54:56.640 this hyper emphasis on all the things that this country has done wrong in the past, what needs to be

00:55:04.620 done moving forward to right those wrongs. And in the meantime, there's just a lot of hateful rhetoric

00:55:10.440 being spewed at people who might have identified as Democrats their entire lives, might have voted as

00:55:15.940 Democrats their entire lives. But there might be a social issue here or there that they're not

00:55:21.280 comfortable with. Or maybe they're worried about what they're experiencing in the big city that they're

00:55:26.200 living in that's currently being run by Democratic lawmakers, Democratic governor or mayor. And they

00:55:32.300 want to see some changes in reforms. But if they voice their opinion on those reforms, they'll get

00:55:38.580 dogpiled all over the Internet and they'll made to be they'll be out, you know, made out to be like a

00:55:44.720 terrible person. And I just what I'm seeing on the right right now. And again, I don't know if this is

00:55:51.080 just what happens to be part of the culture on the right or if it's a, you know, political strategy,

00:55:57.780 there's less judgment and more openness to absorbing people into their party. And that's how

00:56:05.100 you win. That's how you win. Now, look, I'm not saying, oh, Democrats need to throw their principles

00:56:09.840 out of the window. They should, you know, absorb, you know, a Nazi or a self-described Klansman. No,

00:56:16.500 I'm not saying that. But you and I both know that there are all sorts of people who have lost their

00:56:22.260 jobs, who have been made targets by the left because of the fact that, hey, you know what?

00:56:27.260 I wanted police reform. I didn't want to abolish the police. Hey, you know what? I see a place for

00:56:32.260 prisons in our society. I do want prison reform, but I don't want to abolish prisons. Those are the

00:56:38.200 type of people who tend to get attacked. And I know that because I happen to be one of them.

00:56:43.440 Yeah, exactly. Or on the BLM front, like I'm happy to be more inclusive of people,

00:56:49.060 but don't tell me our goal is to dismantle the nuclear family like it's an evil.

00:56:53.580 Right. And, you know, I would just warn the right about what they're currently seeing on the left,

00:57:00.820 because I do see some pretty prominent figures on the right who have kind of taken on that purity

00:57:06.840 culture where they're looking to do purity tests of people on the right. And if you're not perfectly in

00:57:11.720 line with what the right wants or what the Trump administration wants, well, you're not welcome.

00:57:15.540 You're not wanted. And if that type of culture festers, well, conservatives are going to lose,

00:57:20.680 too. You can't you can't have that. I mean, there are there is there are some people who are diehard

00:57:24.820 MAGA who will still hold it against people who were pro DeSantis. You know, I see that still on

00:57:29.360 Twitter. It's like, what is the point of that? You know, like Trump has won. Take take the W.

00:57:33.860 Run with it. Build the coalition. I mean, who cares what happened during the primaries?

00:57:37.820 But I would say in general, you're right that Republicans are much more accepting of different

00:57:41.840 viewpoints and different political philosophies than I've seen over on Team Blue, who resemble

00:57:46.740 North Korea to me in their efforts to make people toe the party line and, you know, continue the

00:57:52.620 right messaging and get Joe Biden across that finish line. We don't care how infirm he is.

00:57:57.640 This New York Times article from two days ago is titled Democrats throw money at a problem

00:58:02.140 countering GOP clout online. And this is speaking to that effort to find the new Joe Rogan.

00:58:06.900 At donor retreats and in pitch documents seen by the Times, liberal strategists are pushing the

00:58:11.200 party's rich backers to reopen their wallets for a cavalcade of projects to help Dems, as

00:58:17.020 the cliche now goes, find the next Joe Rogan. They're trying to energize glum donors and persuade

00:58:23.560 them that they can compete culturally with President Trump if only they throw enough money at the

00:58:28.160 problem. The quiet effort amounts to an audacious skeptics might say desperate bet that Democrats

00:58:34.300 can buy more cultural relevance online. And it ends with, um, hoping to move away from the current

00:58:40.520 didactic, uh, hall monitor style of democratic politics that turns off young voters. And, uh,

00:58:46.900 they will focus on directly funding influencers and co-producing their content, opening a creator

00:58:51.560 talent agency and starting by inking deals with four flagship creators, according to a business

00:58:57.540 plans to share with the times. Now you were in this space, uh, like one of you, one of the OGs,

00:59:02.620 the young Turks has been around a long time since I was on Fox. And you tell me whether it can be

00:59:07.580 recreated with just a deep pocket and some handpicked selection by some unknown democratic donor group.

00:59:16.820 Megan, if I could be a mouthpiece and rake in the big bucks, I mean, I don't know if I would do it,

00:59:24.880 but I know that I'm not capable of doing it. Right. So part of the reason why I find myself in this

00:59:29.840 terrible situation that I'm in where I'm basically rejected by the left, but I don't fit in with the

00:59:35.060 right really. Like I, you know, so I'm like kind of in no man's land right now and it's not fun.

00:59:41.100 It's pretty awful. But the reason why I'm there is because I have to be authentic. I have to be

00:59:46.440 honest with my audience. It's both selfish because I can't help, but just tell people how I actually feel

00:59:52.880 about the issues we talk about, but it's also because I respect my audience. I want my audience

00:59:58.620 to know the truth. And so if I see the left doing something that's counterproductive, if I see

01:00:03.860 something that I don't like, I'm going to speak out about it. And the reason why I do that is because

01:00:09.440 there's still a little bit of hope that maybe they'll learn some lessons. Maybe they'll heed the

01:00:15.320 advice and, you know, recalibrate some of their behavior and some of their policies so they can,

01:00:22.120 you know, attract a broad coalition of voters to support them. But instead, what I've noticed by

01:00:28.540 the Democratic Party is that rather than self-reflect, they like to lash out. They see

01:00:34.000 us as their public servants instead of them being our public servants. And that is a huge, huge problem.

01:00:41.700 So I want to reiterate, I don't fit in on the right. I have some pretty serious like left-wing

01:00:47.540 policy preferences. But culturally speaking, the left, I find repulsive at times and intentionally

01:00:56.680 so. I mean, they're intentionally behaving that way. And it's totally selfish because it's more

01:01:02.180 about how they feel and how they want to purge certain people out of the party, as opposed to

01:01:07.120 thinking about what they need to do to, again, attract a broad coalition of Americans who are

01:01:13.720 willing to buy in to their agenda and program. Yeah. I mean, I see it now. It's like one of the

01:01:20.040 reasons I'm thrilled that nobody owns one share of my company other than me. I don't have any

01:01:25.760 investors. I'm the only investor. And because then no one owns you. You know, the people who advertise

01:01:32.440 on my show, you know, GenuCell doesn't call me up telling me what to say about presidential

01:01:39.160 politics. They just want the platform to sell their makeup. And it's a great brand and I'm happy

01:01:43.560 to endorse it. But my point is they don't control me and none of them would ever try. They'd be

01:01:48.380 booted off the show immediately. And so it's like, by definition, the way they're going about this will

01:01:53.780 not work. You cannot have like the democratic apparatus create this star who then can somehow

01:02:01.080 become a Joe Rogan because you can't become a Joe Rogan if you're owned by anybody. If you're sent

01:02:05.960 out there with any agenda other than the one you just outlined, which is to tell people your honest

01:02:11.860 opinions and the facts as you know them. Right. And Joe Rogan's popularity is not manufactured.

01:02:19.740 It was organic. And the part of the reason why it's organic growth, organic popularity is because

01:02:25.720 he's willing to sit down and have conversations with almost anyone. I mean, one of my friends,

01:02:30.900 his name is Ben Burgess. He's a self-identified Marxist. Joe Rogan interviewed him. Joe Rogan

01:02:36.320 will interview people from across the political spectrum. He'll interview people who have nothing

01:02:40.260 to do with politics at all, but they're in a field of work that's super fascinating.

01:02:44.200 That's the way that he grew a massive audience, a massive diverse audience. Now, of course,

01:02:49.800 because of the fact that he had endorsed Donald Trump in the last election and prior to that had been

01:02:55.400 critical of some of the transgender policies as it pertains to women's sports and minors,

01:03:02.700 the left had kind of turned on him earlier. However, he still has this massive audience.

01:03:07.900 I'll listen to the podcast when he has a guest that I'm interested in hearing from.

01:03:12.400 And if they think that they're just going to throw money at a problem, the Democrats and

01:03:15.820 manufacture the next Joe Rogan that's going to help them win elections, I think they're just going to be

01:03:21.960 wasting a lot of money. And they're just going back to what I believe is the biggest issue within the

01:03:27.060 Democratic Party at the moment right now, which is the political bribes, right? You're going to raise

01:03:31.900 money. OK, great. But that money comes with strings attached. They know that. And oftentimes those donors

01:03:38.440 want goodies that the voters do not want. And that's why you had Kamala Harris trying to like, 1.00

01:03:45.420 you know, do this ridiculous balancing act where she's trying to appease the donors 1.00

01:03:49.440 without upsetting left wing voters. But the voters weren't buying it because guess what?

01:03:55.000 Voters are way smarter than our politicians know. What do you make of that on that front? Because

01:04:01.240 you were the first person I thought of when Trump announced his executive order on negotiating on

01:04:05.660 drug prices. And you had said your last appearance here like, hello, why is nobody focusing on that?

01:04:11.680 It was a Bernie issue. Trump's trying to take it on. Trump did try to take it on once before,

01:04:16.700 and it got struck down legally. And this may too, as an executive order, it really has to be done

01:04:21.220 legislatively. But yes, he's probably, you know, this is the time right now with the big, beautiful

01:04:27.280 bill. But what did you make of what Trump did? Well, first off, you know, if he's genuine and

01:04:33.940 sincere about wanting to lower pharmaceutical drug prices, obviously, I commend him. You're absolutely

01:04:38.460 right in that he wouldn't be able to do this unilaterally. He would need Congress to act.

01:04:43.040 I think one of the biggest issues right now is that you have Republican lawmakers in Congress

01:04:48.920 who are bribed, bought by the pharmaceutical industry. And they essentially said immediately

01:04:54.220 after Trump on, I believe it was on May 11th, when he had hinted that he was going to sign this

01:05:01.300 executive order, you heard from Republican lawmakers who essentially said, no, this is dead on arrival.

01:05:07.080 We're not going to include this in our budget bill. There's no way we're going to do it.

01:05:09.840 Even though negotiating for lower pharmaceutical drug prices or implementing a policy, the most

01:05:16.200 favored nation policy that would cap pharmaceutical drug prices in America to that of the country that's

01:05:23.080 paying the least amount, you know, that would save the most amount of money in taxpayer money when it

01:05:28.780 comes to our Medicare system. But yeah, all these fiscal hawks, right, the so-called fiscal hawks

01:05:35.220 who wanted to torpedo Trump's agenda didn't propose that. And I wonder why, why aren't you proposing

01:05:41.320 for the Medicare system to be able-

01:05:43.580 The big pharma money. It's so annoying. Yes. The Republicans are not above that sort of grift

01:05:48.940 either. They, both sides love it. If you are lining their pockets, their political future is more

01:05:54.220 important to them than doing the right thing. And so that's the problem. But look, I like that he's

01:06:00.600 trying. And if he doesn't try to get it into this big, beautiful bill, it's not going to happen

01:06:05.060 because that EO will probably meet the same fate as the earlier one did. On the subject of the Dems,

01:06:13.160 Bernie, the Medicare prices and the prescription drugs, he went on the flagrant podcast recently

01:06:20.900 with our pal Andrew Schultz, and they had a really interesting discussion. Here's a bit where he's

01:06:26.900 talking about the problem within the Democrat party. It's not 19. The problem I think a lot 0.93

01:06:31.860 of voters had is like, they didn't even know if it was her. We didn't even know if Biden was

01:06:35.340 president. We didn't even know if these were her talking points. And we felt that over the last

01:06:39.600 four elections, Democrats, we felt that we didn't have a say on who could be president. We talk a lot

01:06:47.800 about the Republicans being autocrats and oligarchs and taking over democracy. But from the Democrat

01:06:53.460 perspective, and I'm a lifelong Democrat, I felt like the Democratic Party completely removed the

01:06:59.320 democratic process from its constituents. And I think they need to have some accountability of that.

01:07:05.080 No argument here.

01:07:05.800 But then could we not also say, ostensibly, there hasn't been a fair primary for the Democrats since

01:07:10.860 2008. Are they not also a threat to democracy? We often hear...

01:07:14.560 Fair enough. That is, yeah, I'm not going to argue with that point.

01:07:19.100 I love the way he talks. The accent is just so great to listen to. He's not wrong, right? I mean,

01:07:25.700 he of all people has standing to say that because it happened to him twice.

01:07:33.340 Yep. Yeah. I mean, Bernie's back. And what I mean by that is he's realized that you can't really play

01:07:40.940 nice with the Democratic establishment and expect to get your policy priorities passed,

01:07:46.640 expect them to help you out in whatever your agenda might be. And, you know, 2015-2016 Bernie,

01:07:54.760 when he was running in the 2016 race, was a little different from 2020 Bernie. And what I mean by that

01:08:01.280 is as soon as the Democratic establishment saw an economic populace like Bernie Sanders gain the kind

01:08:09.480 momentum he did, they cynically used identity politics to crush him. Oh, you're not addressing

01:08:17.440 BLM. I mean, I remember during one of his campaign rallies, two people from BLM just jumped on stage, 0.57

01:08:26.160 interrupted the entire event, you know, called him out for allegedly not caring about Black bodies or 0.57

01:08:31.100 Black lives. And it was just utter, ridiculous, cynical use of identity politics to crush someone. 1.00

01:08:38.620 And in the end, I mean, what did the party get? In the end, Trump got elected in 2016, of course. 0.79

01:08:45.560 Then in 2020, you have Joe Biden, who was able to run from his basement because of COVID. But the only

01:08:52.200 reason why I think Biden won in that election or in that race is because of the fact that, you know,

01:08:56.720 many Americans didn't like the way Trump handled the coronavirus. So I think by the time you get to

01:09:03.380 2024, people were just done with Democrats because they're sick. Honestly, people are sick of the

01:09:09.660 identity politics. That doesn't mean that you shouldn't fight for a just cause. If you see

01:09:15.500 instances of discrimination, obviously something should be done about it. But it wasn't really about

01:09:22.200 doing something about discrimination or doing something about our broken, broken law enforcement

01:09:28.240 system or anything like that. It was used cynically to crush economic populace within the Democratic

01:09:33.800 Party. But now what I'm noticing with Bernie and AOC, by the way, is they've kind of shed a lot of that

01:09:41.580 rhetoric because they realize pronouns. She did. Exactly. And I mean, it's look, if AOC is willing to

01:09:49.040 self-reflect and realize, OK, I was pushing for things that most Americans, including Democrats,

01:09:54.740 weren't into. And I need to go back to the bread and butter issues. Great. I think that's a good way

01:10:00.020 to kind of move forward for Democrats. But I mean, she needs a long runway to kind of rebrand herself 1.00

01:10:06.640 as an economic populace, similar to who Bernie Sanders is. Here he is speaking to some of these

01:10:11.920 issues that you just outlined. Here's that 20. You have a question we want to ask about what

01:10:16.980 happened to you in 2016 with this Bernie bros movement where your your followers are seeing

01:10:22.840 they have a racism problem, a misogyny problem. Do you think that's a super PAC thing behind that?

01:10:26.920 No, it was the Democratic establishment. That was the. Oh, wow. OK. You know, that was just they

01:10:31.680 were sitting there. We had a lot of young people. We had people of color and and, you know, they create

01:10:36.540 this kind of myth with the help of the corporate media and all that stuff. You know, it's kind of

01:10:40.100 interesting to that note is during this election, the podcast space, which the Democrats largely avoided,

01:10:46.740 they feel had some influence in the election. And they started to label us the podcast bros

01:10:55.260 and said that we were sexist and we were racist and bigoted. It's almost like it's the exact same

01:11:01.200 strategy to get you out of there. Yeah, that's what the liberal elite China does. 1.00

01:11:07.180 And then I'll give you one more because he followed up on no one wants to keep doing this

01:11:12.700 identity politics thing anymore. It's not 21. And then you got to what we call identity politics.

01:11:19.000 You're black. You're wonderful. You're tremendous. You're gay. You're the greatest human being on 0.88

01:11:22.700 earth. Yeah. And rather than say, what do you what do you stand for? Exactly. Gay, that's fine. Who 0.97

01:11:29.680 cares? Yeah. What do you stand for? Yeah. You know, is every gay person brilliant and wonderful and

01:11:34.920 great? No, of course not. Everybody's a human being. Yeah. So the issue is what you stand for,

01:11:39.680 which gets you back to what we discussed earlier, class politics, in the sense of which side are you

01:11:45.360 on? Are you going to stand with working families? Are you going to raise the minimum wage to a living

01:11:51.820 wage or not? Are you going to guarantee fight to guarantee health care to all people or not?

01:11:58.100 Are you going to demand that the wealthiest people start paying their fair share of taxes or not? 0.60

01:12:03.260 Those are the issues. And no one cares what color you are, what your gender is, et cetera, et cetera. 0.99

01:12:07.340 Go ahead, Anna. No, well said. Well said. That's the Bernie Sanders that I

01:12:12.100 supported in 2015 and 2016. I also voted for him in the primaries in 2020. But by then he had allowed

01:12:20.100 the Democratic establishment to essentially tinker with his campaign. So he was kind of paying lip

01:12:27.100 service to the culture warriors who really, in my opinion, don't really give a damn about the causes

01:12:33.260 that they allegedly fight for. They're more interested in having an excuse to go around

01:12:37.400 scolding people and destroying campaigns of politicians that actually want to be public

01:12:41.780 servants who actually care about working class families in this country. And that was absolutely 0.98

01:12:46.040 disgusting that that happened to Bernie in 2016 and to some extent in 2020 as well.

01:12:51.140 But what you heard from Bernie right there, in my opinion, is a winning brand of politics.

01:12:58.640 Americans want to be left alone when it comes to their personal lives. OK, they don't want 1.00

01:13:02.780 to be judged because they're living in a traditional conservative household. They don't want to be

01:13:10.120 judged if they happen to be gay and want to marry a partner of the same sex. They just want the 1.00

01:13:15.580 government out of their personal lives entirely. But there is a role for the government. The role

01:13:20.780 for the government is to protect the American people, not only from criminals, not only from foreign

01:13:26.280 threats, but also from corporate greed. And that was the message of Bernie Sanders's campaigns and

01:13:32.960 the corporate Democrats loathed him. And so they used identity politics cynically to destroy his

01:13:39.020 campaigns, his possibilities. Why? Why did they loathe him? But like, why? You should ask their

01:13:44.320 corporate donors. You should ask Third Way, Third Way, a think tank that essentially helps to aid and

01:13:51.440 abet the neoliberalism brain rot that has infected the Democratic Party. Hmm. They're big and their

01:13:58.300 build is more moderate. That's what you always hear about Third Way. They're the more moderate

01:14:01.760 Democrats. They're just pro-corporate. They're just pro-corporate. Mm hmm. And it happens on both

01:14:07.160 sides. OK, I want to keep going. The Tapper Thompson book, the Democrats using it. I said this in the last

01:14:14.820 hour to sort of whitewash their own complicity, the media is. I didn't know. Oh, my God, is so much

01:14:21.560 new information in here. Now I finally know. And I'm angry that it was hidden from me. Very, very

01:14:27.020 angry. And, you know, we're all sitting over here like, who do you think you're kidding? This was

01:14:31.360 no better exemplified anywhere than when Tapper went on and sat across from Morning Joe and tried to

01:14:38.480 absolve Morning Joe of his best Biden ever rant in the following exchange. Watch.

01:14:45.820 Now, one thing in your specific case, Joe, our reporting indicates that Joe Biden, who, as you

01:14:53.000 know, is a frequent viewer of the show, saw when David Ignatius wrote that column in, I think, August

01:14:59.760 2023, saying that Joe Biden should not run for reelection because of what he had been hearing

01:15:04.460 about this. You largely agreed that you'd been hearing things about this, but that there was

01:15:08.680 really no alternative, that Kamala Harris was not up to the job. That's what Democrats were telling 1.00

01:15:12.540 you behind the scenes. Joe Biden saw that. Joe Biden said to staffers that he wanted to convince

01:15:19.320 you that you were wrong. And he focused on you like you were a constituency, like you were farmers in

01:15:26.280 Iowa, like you were the Kiwanis Club in New Hampshire. And he made sure that you thought

01:15:30.600 former Joe. He made sure that you thought differently. I think he did this with a couple

01:15:34.740 people. I think he did it with Meechum. He might have done it with Evan Osnos. He knew that there

01:15:39.800 were people that had to be convinced that he was fine. And he and he tried to prove that to you.

01:15:46.400 Oh, your thoughts on this is I think this is pathetic. It really is. I mean, it's just it's not even 0.99

01:15:54.120 difficult to figure this out. It's journalism 101. You can't just take what any politician says at

01:16:01.380 face value. So if a politician tells you they're passing this incredible bill and it's full of all

01:16:09.060 these wonderful provisions that are going to improve the lives of Americans, should a journalist

01:16:13.540 serve as a stenographer and simply jot down the quote without fact checking it? I mean, look,

01:16:20.120 I get what Jake Tapper is trying to get at here. No, no. But the Biden camp was telling us X, Y and Z.

01:16:26.380 OK, why are you so gullible? Why are you willing to believe what a political campaign that has an

01:16:33.880 interest in lying to you has to say? And you're willing to literally ignore what you see with your

01:16:41.420 own two eyes, what you hear with your own two ears. Come on. That's the thing. It's like it reminds

01:16:46.840 me of the Hitler was always very nice to me. It's like, OK, sure. I'm sure Hitler found a 0.99

01:16:52.220 journalist or two he wanted to manipulate and was totally sweet to. But then your eyes and your 0.93

01:16:56.960 ears, your ability to see and hear other people's stories lead you to understand Hitler's not a good

01:17:03.120 man. OK, I'm not saying Joe Biden is Hitler. I'm just saying like your only evidence of somebody and

01:17:08.060 who and how they are is not just your own one on one interactions with them. It can be a counterpoint.

01:17:13.360 You can say every time I've been with him, he has seemed sharp. But you're you're a hack 0.97

01:17:18.660 if you just go out on the air and demand that they roll the tape and everybody has to believe

01:17:24.260 you because this is the best Biden ever. Notwithstanding what 77 percent of the American

01:17:28.980 people were seeing and saying in the polls, they knew he wasn't up to the job. It's just such

01:17:33.940 hackery. So how do you see the latest revelation about his health announcement? And do you believe

01:17:43.160 him that he didn't have a PSA test since 2014 and that this was all a big surprise to him that came

01:17:49.840 just on the eve of this book hitting and her report coming out? I've listened to now several doctors

01:17:59.520 in various interviews talk about the likelihood that Joe Biden didn't know about his condition until he

01:18:06.400 announced it. And the vast majority of them disagree that he just found out about it.

01:18:13.640 I'm not a medical expert. What I am an expert in is the fact that the Democratic Party has been lying

01:18:20.960 to us. There was a cover up about his cognitive decline. Why am I to just believe at face value

01:18:27.840 that he just found out about this diagnosis when he announced it? He has no credibility.

01:18:33.520 And why aren't the statements signed by a doctor? Why do both of the statements that came out,

01:18:38.300 the first announcement and then the clarification about when he allegedly last had a PSA test come

01:18:42.340 from the office of the Bidens, like the Biden office? No name, no doctor. No one is actually

01:18:49.860 looking us in the eye and saying this is true. That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that,

01:18:55.060 but you're right. I mean, if you wanted to prove it, you could have some sort of evidence,

01:18:58.760 some sort of note indicating that he wasn't given the test to, you know, find or detect.

01:19:05.500 Have Dr. Kevin O'Connor come out and say, let me, let me take all your questions. He,

01:19:09.540 he didn't want it. We figured he was of a certain age. We stopped doing it. I explained to him,

01:19:13.840 these are the risks. He said, it's fine. I, you know, like let's that, we would be able to hear

01:19:17.680 the ring of truth if it were true. There's a reason they're not doing it. On top of all that,

01:19:22.400 Dr. Keith Ablow came out. He was actually did a very interesting show the other day on how

01:19:27.040 he's had prostate cancer and was making a couple of points. First, just FYI, we had Dr. Not Ablow,

01:19:35.360 Dr. Drew, forgive me. Dr. Drew was making the point that he's had prostate cancer and that the first

01:19:42.460 line of defense is this, it's called ADT and that it causes all sorts of side effects that

01:19:48.060 jibe with what looks like cognitive decline. And so from his standpoint, you know, more questions

01:19:54.520 have to be asked. Here's a little bit of that in SOT13. The thing that concerns me is we've seen

01:19:59.300 him decline over the last two years rather significantly. And one of the things that

01:20:02.740 happens with metastatic disease, the first line of treatment is something called androgen deprivation

01:20:06.480 therapy. That is where we block the testosterone essentially. We used to actually castrate men with

01:20:10.900 this, but now we do a androgen deprivation therapy, ADT. Side effect of ADT is cognitive slowing,

01:20:18.060 sometimes frank dementia, falls, muscle wasting. If somebody's Parkinsonian, they're more likely to

01:20:24.020 fall. All the things we have seen over the last couple of years could be explained on the basis of

01:20:30.540 androgen deprivation therapy. By the same token, there's a lot of controversy about the autopan and

01:20:36.240 should he have used it and did he know what was going on? Parkinsonisms makes you lose the ability

01:20:40.860 to write your name very often. They would have a perfect defense there just by saying, you know what,

01:20:45.400 the president no longer could sign his name, so he had to use the autopan. He approved every single

01:20:49.860 one of these pardons, say. We don't know what happened. Okay, so the other thing that's very

01:20:55.000 interesting about that, Anna, is we had a doctor on the program, Samadhi, David Samadhi, who is like

01:21:01.660 the prostate cancer surgeon to go to if you get this. And he said the fact that that initial statement

01:21:08.600 said that the cancer is responsive, it's hormone responsive, means they've tried it. Because he

01:21:15.020 said you don't know that until you've actually given, I think, ADT, the thing that blocks the

01:21:21.120 testosterone. There is no way they could say it's responsive to hormone treatment without having

01:21:26.080 given it to him and seeing the PSA test numbers go down, down, down. So all of that, I think, is

01:21:33.640 actual, like, that's as close as we're gonna get to real evidence that he is still lying to us. And so

01:21:40.420 I love your thoughts on that. And then also on, there's more chatter in the Times about how, sorry,

01:21:46.780 this is from the Bulwark, saying every Democrat from now on is gonna have to be under the age of 70,

01:21:55.900 and they're all gonna have to show, you know, their colonoscopy exams. It's gonna have to be

01:22:00.560 full revelation in order for anybody to become the next nominee.

01:22:06.200 I don't think that's fair. I wouldn't implement a policy like that. But, you know, as I was listening

01:22:12.480 to you talk about the likelihood of Biden having known about his condition, having gone through that

01:22:18.520 treatment, I couldn't help but think about all the enablers around Biden who encouraged him to run

01:22:23.840 for re-election and who kept lying to all of us on television and their interviews. You know, Mike

01:22:29.960 Donilon, his chief strategist, happened to be one of them. And I want to just briefly talk about

01:22:35.100 incentives and disincentives, because Donilon didn't care about the American people. Donilon,

01:22:41.340 I would venture to say, doesn't even give a damn about the Bidens or Joe Biden, with whom he's had a

01:22:46.540 relationship with for a very long time. I would venture to say that Donilon saw his re-election race

01:22:53.080 as a money-making opportunity, because as we've learned from Tapper and Thompson's book,

01:22:58.220 he was paid disproportionately compared to other campaign workers. He was paid, what,

01:23:04.400 $4 million? $4 million. Because, yeah, because Biden told the campaign, pay Donilon whatever he

01:23:10.620 wants. Well, he asked for $4 million and he got it. So if you see a money-making opportunity where

01:23:15.280 you can rake in millions of dollars, would you engage in elder abuse? I would venture to say that

01:23:20.020 most people would be disgusted by that and would not. But Donilon had no problem doing it.

01:23:25.140 Knowing what Biden's condition was, he's very close to Biden. I don't believe for a second that

01:23:30.200 Mike Donilon didn't know what Biden's condition was. No, no. And the reporting in the book is that

01:23:35.000 he fully knew and was actively engaged in trying to cover it up. Here's the other question, though.

01:23:40.720 Does the Democrat Party, you know, keep in mind, we're under the auspices of, oh my God,

01:23:47.900 we're now figuring it out. Oh, it's horrible. That's what, okay, this is the routine we're

01:23:51.920 getting right now. How do they nominate Kamala Harris for anything? How do they nominate Pete

01:23:58.880 Buttigieg or any other Biden cabinet member for anything? Because they all have the stank on them. 0.98

01:24:05.640 Look, I feel the same way when it comes to Morning Joe. How the hell is Mika Brzezinski and 0.98

01:24:12.380 Joe Scarborough still employed at MSNBC? I mean, isn't that a stain on the mark of that cable news

01:24:17.720 network? Like, let's just, I mean, they lied the loudest in the lead up to the election, but okay.

01:24:24.640 The most vigorously. I think that the establishment, the Democratic establishment is going to hope and bank

01:24:33.860 on people having short attention spans and just rally around Kamala Harris or whoever was in on

01:24:41.280 the cover up. I don't know if it's going to work. I would venture to say that it would be far, far

01:24:46.880 better for them to look for new, fresh faces, you know, make room for new leadership. But I mean,

01:24:55.820 it's like Gollum in the ring. It's like, oh, precious, precious. It's power. And they don't want

01:25:01.340 to let it go. And they've got to let it go. If you care about the country, if you care about doing

01:25:07.220 what's best, if you want to, for once in your life, actually serve as a public servant, do the right

01:25:13.260 thing and make room for fresh new leadership. But they're not going to do that. You know, I asked him

01:25:19.720 Tapper when he was here, because he was telling me that these people who are in his book now lied to him

01:25:25.300 when it was pre the election that he tried and they were lying. And I said, you know, what are you

01:25:31.420 going to do with like these cabinet secretaries or, and these other sources too, who now come on your 0.95

01:25:38.040 show and you know, they're liars. You know, they lied to you to protect him and their electoral

01:25:44.460 chances. You know, it's not like you just suspect it. Now you're telling me, you know it. So do you book

01:25:48.900 them again? Do you give them the platform on CNN? And he said, he'd have to think about it. I mean,

01:25:54.800 there's really nothing to think about. The answer is no. According to his theory,

01:25:59.680 they're responsible for his humiliation too. Right. Look, politicians lie, as we know,

01:26:08.960 all politicians lie on both sides of the political aisle. So if you take a pledge to never interview

01:26:14.400 a politician who has lied publicly or lied to you, you're never going to have an interview with a

01:26:18.960 politician again. So I can kind of see where he's coming from. What I would look out for the

01:26:24.780 as anyone watching cable news, I know that that audience is quickly dwindling, but nonetheless,

01:26:30.280 if you still watch cable news and you're still willing to give someone like Jake Tapper a chance,

01:26:34.980 pay close attention to whether he fact checks politicians, whether he asks tough follow-up

01:26:41.520 questions, or whether he's willing to just accept what figures from one political party have to say

01:26:47.640 at face value. Because I think that's what the problem was. You know, he had no problem

01:26:52.220 calling out the lies of Republican lawmakers or members of the Trump camp. But for whatever reason,

01:26:59.040 there seemed to be this favoritism toward the Democratic Party and Democratic figures,

01:27:03.940 and that's where he got himself into a lot of trouble. The other thing I would say,

01:27:07.920 and this isn't just for the media, this is just for voters of all political persuasions.

01:27:13.180 You know, there's a lot of tribalism in the country. I fell in that trap for a long time as

01:27:19.360 well, where I thought, you know, Republicans are lying about everything and I'm not going to believe

01:27:24.340 anything they have to say. They're just making things up. Well, because I had that mindset,

01:27:29.420 I actually missed some of what was going on in the country that they were trying to raise some alarm

01:27:36.320 about. And so don't automatically assume that your political opponents are bringing up issues that

01:27:43.040 don't really exist. They might be exaggerating. There might be some hyperbole, but it's worth

01:27:48.500 digging into to see if there's a legitimate concern. And I say the same for Republican voters as well.

01:27:55.280 Don't just write off Democrats as individuals you shouldn't listen to. And I'm specifically talking

01:28:01.200 about voters here, right? Love your fellow American, regardless of their political affiliation.

01:28:08.080 Okay. Obviously there are exceptions for people who make a point to be hateful, loathsome human 0.93

01:28:12.860 beings, but I don't think the majority of Americans fall in that category when it comes to people in

01:28:18.560 positions of power, whether they be Democrats or Republicans, hold them accountable, fact check them.

01:28:24.360 Don't just believe what they have to say at face value.

01:28:26.600 And happily, our audience is doing that right now as they listen to our guests this hour.

01:28:32.640 Anna Kasparian, stand by. We're going to take a quick break and we will be right back after this.

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01:31:51.620 Anna, we've talked before about men and women's sports, boys and girls sports, and there's another

01:31:56.740 instance of it that caught our attention that I wanted to raise. Out in California, they're still

01:32:03.000 doing this, notwithstanding the Trump executive order. He's fighting the main governor to try to

01:32:07.140 make her stop it, both at the college, which has largely been taken care of, but not entirely,

01:32:12.080 and also the high school, which has not been taken care of level at all. And in California,

01:32:16.760 where Gavin Newsom wants us to believe he thinks this is very unfair, he's completely allowing it

01:32:22.160 with no consequences. So they had a California girls track meet. It was, let's see,

01:32:31.260 the finals, the Southern section of California finals for track and field events on this past

01:32:38.780 Saturday. And there was a girl named Reese Hogan who has been working her butt off for the past 1.00

01:32:48.280 several years doing track since her freshman year. She's a junior now. We found a little background

01:32:54.080 on her. In her sophomore year, she started taking track more seriously. She recently got a private

01:32:59.640 coach. She puts in a ton of hours with that trainer. She also does volleyball, both beach and 0.99

01:33:04.960 club, and has to balance all of that while continually training for track. She trains every single day for 0.99

01:33:10.220 track, and she was on her way toward winning this regional final. So she landed her personal best 0.55

01:33:18.760 in the triple jump and a school record, too, of 37 feet, two inches at the Southern section finals.

01:33:27.540 Personal best, personal best, school record. She did not, however, win first place in the triple jump

01:33:33.920 because a male did. Someone who goes by the name of A.B. Hernandez, who's also a junior. And this boy

01:33:42.660 won the event by over four feet, 41 feet, four inches, which is a mile in the triple jump. He crushed her.

01:33:55.220 We happen to know that she and many of her other female athletes did not know the first year A.B. 0.98

01:34:02.720 started competing that he was actually a biological boy because he didn't tell anybody. But then when

01:34:07.760 they started watching him perform, it became very obvious he was far outmatching these girls.

01:34:14.360 And nonetheless, they allowed this guy to go atop the winner's podium and stand in the first place

01:34:21.780 slot. And everybody cheered for him like he was the legitimate winner. And when he stepped off of

01:34:29.980 that top most elevated post, she, Reese Hogan, got up there and stood. I'm actually kind of emotional

01:34:40.240 about it. She stood atop that podium so she could receive the applause for being the actual winner. 0.74

01:34:50.080 I'm just so tired of this. I'm so tired of this. He also won the long jump title, which he also stole

01:34:57.360 from another girl. What do you make of it? I think there's a reason why 80 percent of Americans 0.91

01:35:04.060 are not in favor of what you just described. 80 percent of Americans, according to polling,

01:35:12.280 find it to be deeply unfair because biology does matter. I don't think that transgender people 1.00

01:35:20.420 should be treated inhumanely, but I also don't think that we should create situations in which

01:35:26.120 women are treated unfairly. And in this case, it's just unfair. It's that simple. And by the way,

01:35:32.620 the governor of California, Gavin Newsom says that it's unfair. And I don't think it makes him look

01:35:39.740 better to on one hand say it's unfair and then on the other hand to just allow it to keep happening

01:35:45.820 in the state of California. But he wants to have his cake and eat it, too. And I don't think it's

01:35:51.740 going to work out that way because simply calling it unfair is enough to get the activists riled up and

01:35:57.500 angry with you. And you've done nothing to protect the fairness of women's sports in the state of 0.86

01:36:03.380 California. So basically, he's made everyone angry. No one's happy. And the unfairness continues.

01:36:09.920 Yep. Here he is, just as a reminder, on his own podcast telling Charlie Kirk how unfair he thinks

01:36:15.720 this would be. Would you do something like that? Would you say no men in female sports? 1.00

01:36:20.780 Well, I think it's an issue of fairness. I completely agree with you on that.

01:36:23.580 But it is an issue of fairness. So it's deeply unfair. Would you speak out against this young

01:36:27.320 man, A.B. Hernandez, who right now is going to win the state championship in the long term?

01:36:31.340 I can see you wrestling with it. No, I'm not wrestling. I'm not wrestling with the fairness

01:36:35.080 issue. I totally agree with you. So that's easy to call out, the unfairness of that.

01:36:39.000 There's also a humility and a grace that these poor people are more likely to commit suicide, 1.00

01:36:44.520 have anxiety and depression. And the way that people talk down to vulnerable communities is an

01:36:49.560 issue that I have a hard time with as well. So both things I can hold in my hand. How can we

01:36:55.400 address this issue with the kind of decency that I think is inherent in you, but not always expressed

01:37:02.120 on the issue?

01:37:04.600 He's done nothing. And Charlie raised this athlete. And let me just give you one other thing.

01:37:11.340 There's another athlete named Katie McGinnis. She's a track and athlete senior in this same region.

01:37:17.460 And last Saturday, Katie's long jump, a leap of 18 feet, 0.95 inches was, um, she was jumped,

01:37:28.820 she had jumped further than any girl across all four divisions that she was competing against.

01:37:34.080 18, 18 feet. That's crazy. Wow.

01:37:37.060 18 feet and nine, nine and a half inches. Um, it was, I think, yeah, it was her,

01:37:44.880 her goal. She accomplished her goal of being a champion, but she was not recognized as such

01:37:52.000 because there was one person who did better. And that was the boy claiming to be a girl,

01:37:58.400 A.B. Hernandez, who not only took the triple jump medal from Reese Hogan, but the long jump medal

01:38:05.260 from Katie McGinnis, who also has been training for years for this. The long jump is her best event.

01:38:13.460 She has the longest long jump in California amongst all high school girls. She trains every day,

01:38:20.240 six days a week, year round. She's been training for four years. She's broken school records up and

01:38:26.620 down the board in track and no girl in all of California can jump farther than Katie. Only this 0.99

01:38:34.420 boy, A.B. Hernandez can do it and did do it. And these Californians still cheered and Gavin Newsom did

01:38:44.280 nothing. Anna. Yeah. I mean, Gavin Newsom is a slimy snake of a politician and I don't really know what

01:38:53.780 he believes. All I know is the person he fights for the hardest is himself. And so he'll say anything

01:39:01.060 to anyone if he thinks it's going to help him politically. And in the meantime, people in his

01:39:06.140 state continue to suffer. I want to just not to deflect because I think this is unfair and it's

01:39:12.100 gross for him to say so, but then do nothing about it. But I just want to give you a sense of how poorly

01:39:19.380 he has governed this state because now California, the highest tax state in this country, is facing a

01:39:28.420 $12 billion deficit. So he put out his budget proposal. He is proposing to make Medicaid

01:39:35.440 recipients, the poorest Americans among us, pay $100 a month in premiums to get Medicaid benefits.

01:39:43.000 So he's essentially punishing the poorest among us for his poor governance. He's a terrible politician,

01:39:50.840 terrible person. Yeah. And meanwhile, these girls continue to suffer. And while he gives lip service 1.00

01:39:56.380 when he's across from Charlie Kirk, including with respect to this particular athlete, this boy

01:40:01.260 posing as a girl, he does nothing to help them, nothing. And by the way, on that subject with Katie

01:40:06.060 McGinnis, who did the 18 foot, nine and a half inch, uh, 18, nine and a half inch, uh, jump. Her dad

01:40:13.600 points out she is, she can jump farther than any girl in the state of California. She's an elite jumper. 0.64

01:40:20.080 On the other hand, there are 780 boys in California this year who have jumped Katie's personal record

01:40:27.940 of 20 feet, four inches or further. It is much easier for the boys. They're taller,

01:40:35.060 they're stronger. They have more musculature. Their bones are longer. There's all sorts of

01:40:40.480 reasons why they beat us. And it's no insult to the girls to acknowledge that it is one to force

01:40:46.960 them to compete under these circumstances. Anna Kasparian, thank you. Thanks so much. It's great

01:40:51.080 to see you. Good to be here. Tomorrow, Maureen Callahan's here. You're going to love it.

01:40:57.040 Before we actually go, I just, I just wanted to continue on with that. I just have a couple of

01:41:01.200 other thoughts. We've talked a lot in this show about the dangers to women, you know, the basketball 1.00

01:41:07.900 players from that school Lowell in Massachusetts who were injured when that trans player, a boy

01:41:14.640 pretending to be a girl hurt them, uh, with the KIPP Academy. Remember that we've talked about the

01:41:19.680 girl, the field hockey player, uh, in Massachusetts who got her teeth knocked out and severe facial

01:41:25.700 injuries from playing against a biological boy. Uh, we've talked at length about Peyton McNabb.

01:41:31.980 There have been many other, many other situations. Um, and that's really, that's reason enough.

01:41:38.800 Just the obvious risk of putting your girl up against a post pubescent boy or even mid pubescent boy.

01:41:46.620 They, they, who, who even has to argue it? I mean, it's obvious. It's obvious what the risks are,

01:41:51.940 but, um, the unfairness is what we saw in this California situation track and field. There was

01:41:58.600 no danger to these girls of AB Hernandez hurting them on the long jump or the high jump. Um,

01:42:04.140 what is so powerful, so powerful about watching Reese Hogan step up on that top platform is the thing

01:42:15.960 I try to always mention when we discuss these stories, which is they're not just stealing medals

01:42:21.700 and potential scholarships. They're stealing the glorious feeling of victory from these girls. 1.00

01:42:30.260 They're stealing the joy and confidence builder of winning, which is something which matters.

01:42:41.160 How do you build a winner? Is it, you just come in second place all the time,

01:42:47.380 just come in second, no matter how hard you work, how hard you train, how many days a week,

01:42:51.740 how much you sacrifice. And they do sacrifice. They sacrifice their physical health. I guarantee you,

01:42:56.400 these girls have had injuries that they've had a nurse back because they trained so hard. 1.00

01:42:59.260 They sacrifice their grades oftentimes, because if you're an elite athlete like this,

01:43:04.100 you don't have time to study the way the girls who aren't doing this do. So you are taking the hit 0.94

01:43:08.860 and you're on the academic front. In all likelihood, you sacrifice time with your friends. You're not

01:43:13.420 going out for the late night parties on Fridays that happen, even when you're in high school that

01:43:18.360 are so fun and can be kind of important to making friends or finding a boyfriend. You're not doing that.

01:43:24.300 You're going to bed early because you have a very early morning track meet. I mean, I know,

01:43:28.580 I know a lot of these girls and they, they are gunners. They want it. They've got ambition. They've 1.00

01:43:36.200 got drive. They've got commitment and they deserve the chance to cross the finish line. First,

01:43:45.900 they deserve the ability to feel the feeling that comes from hearing your name read out as the winner

01:43:56.800 from seeing your personal best high job. Be obviously the winner because it's not just your

01:44:05.400 personal best. You bested every other girl in the state, but yet you still can't win in California. 1.00

01:44:11.880 You don't get the blue ribbon. You don't get the first place trophy. You don't get your name

01:44:18.080 mentioned first in the newspaper articles. It's wrong. It's wrong. I don't give two shits how good

01:44:26.760 it makes a B Hernandez feel. You're a cheater. You're cheating, sir. I'm sorry. Your school doesn't 1.00

01:44:36.700 appear to have an open category. That's not the problem or shouldn't be at least of Katie McGinnis

01:44:42.980 and Reese Hogan. You can still run with the boys, which is where you belong.

01:44:51.800 It's just so wrong. And the fact that this girl, can we just see the video again or she,

01:44:56.560 she gets up. We only have five seconds of it. She gets up on top on the top platform. 0.99

01:45:00.500 She kind of just sneaks up after it's over. Let's watch it. It's awful. It's awful. She's,

01:45:07.120 she's kind of almost embarrassed about it. You can see, and she shouldn't be. She's, there's nothing.

01:45:14.060 She has nothing to be embarrassed about. Gavin Newsom does. A.B. Hernandez does. The school district

01:45:20.540 does. Shame on them. Because even if you could give these girls scholarships, they deserve. And by the 1.00

01:45:28.740 way, don't think it's not happening. Don't think it's not happening that they're recruiting more and

01:45:31.820 more boys to play girls sports because it means you're going to win. It means you're going to win.

01:45:36.560 I mean, I, I told you the story. I, in Westchester County, I was told by a parent at a school,

01:45:41.400 a private school there, they got rid of their athletic director because that athletic director

01:45:46.660 was not recruiting enough boys to play girls hockey, ice hockey. And that's a disadvantage now.

01:45:56.400 So it's, it's, it's just, you're depriving them of something much more fundamental. You are depriving

01:46:03.780 them of confidence builders that girls must have to become their strongest, best selves that girls

01:46:11.040 are entitled to. It's their right. It is literally their right. If they're the best long jumper or high

01:46:19.340 jumper in the state of California, amongst all girls to have the top trophy, the blue ribbon,

01:46:25.540 and the top podium and everyone knows it.

01:46:32.620 I don't know. I mean, we elected Trump, he's fighting the good fight that Cretan Gavin Newsom

01:46:38.140 wants credit for being on our side, but doing fucking nothing, nothing about it. 0.96

01:46:43.980 I'm starting to rethink whether we should go on his show. You know what? Maybe I should make a 0.97

01:46:50.000 lobbying campaign to go on and we can just spend the whole time talking about this. You know, I

01:46:55.360 always say like my goal in an interview, if I'm doing it right, is not to emerge with the person's

01:46:59.780 jugular, figuratively speaking. It just might be if I were to sit across from him. Anyway, I just wanted

01:47:06.260 to add that because I didn't feel like I'd fully expressed what was so horrifying about that

01:47:11.020 situation and why her sneaking that moment on the top platform was so compelling and moved me so much.

01:47:22.060 Hope you feel the same and let's stay fighting the good fight. We're winning, but it's not over.

01:47:28.020 Talk to you tomorrow.

01:47:32.860 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 22, 2025

Dems Try To Buy a New Joe Rogan, and Deadly Anti-Israel Terror Attack in D.C, with Michael Knowles and Ana Kasparian ｜ Ep. 1078

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