The Megyn Kelly Show - Dems Try to Smear Trump with Epstein Emails, and Culture Shift Right, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Barry Morgenstein ｜ Ep. 1192

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00:00:30.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.260 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.020 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, a big day of news.

00:00:46.600 The Democrats are releasing more Jeffrey Epstein documents,

00:00:50.340 trying to tie the disgraced former financier to President Trump,

00:00:54.220 but there are already signs it's not going to work.

00:00:57.900 We'll tell you exactly what's in the emails.

00:00:59.480 Plus, the woman kicked out of Gold's Gym for confronting a man pretending to be a woman in the woman's locker room 1.00

00:01:06.240 is now making her case to a far-left, disgusting, gross, horrific politician named Scott Wiener in San Francisco. 1.00

00:01:16.800 That's going about as you would expect it to, but it's on tape and we'll show it to you.

00:01:21.080 Joining me now to react to all of this is Batya Angarsargan.

00:01:23.960 She's host of Batya over on News Nation now.

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00:02:26.600 Batya, great to see you.

00:02:28.320 Thanks so much for having me, Megan.

00:02:29.740 It is such an honor to be here with you.

00:02:31.920 Oh, I love when you come on.

00:02:33.420 Okay, so there's a lot finally to get to because it's been kind of a slow news time,

00:02:36.420 but it's not today.

00:02:38.300 The Epstein documents have been subpoenaed by the House Oversight Committee,

00:02:43.860 and this is basically kind of a middle finger to, you know, Trump and Pam Bondi,

00:02:49.120 who didn't want anything more released,

00:02:50.720 but there was enough Republican and Democrat pushback 0.80

00:02:53.740 that they did issue subpoenas on the Epstein estate

00:02:58.980 and on the DOJ as well.

00:03:01.400 But most of the documents that we're talking about today have come from the Epstein estate,

00:03:07.160 some 33,000 of them.

00:03:09.680 And the Democrats are now salivating over the latest releases.

00:03:14.600 And I'll read what they say, but my overall take on this, Batya, is,

00:03:18.180 why didn't Trump just release these?

00:03:21.800 Just release them.

00:03:22.680 Just release them, right?

00:03:24.080 Like, now he's in the position of being, like, singled out as the only one, allegedly,

00:03:29.000 as opposed to one of a slew of names.

00:03:31.000 The Democrats, of course, are going to make a ton of hay over it. 0.98

00:03:33.440 And I don't know that there's any there there whatsoever, but I concede that they sound bad.

00:03:40.200 They don't sound good.

00:03:41.440 If I were a Democrat, I could easily make some hay with these, which they will.

00:03:45.740 They won't be doing fair and balanced reporting on these over on MS or CNN, etc.

00:03:51.200 Right?

00:03:51.420 So it's like, to me, this is a self-inflicted wound by the Trump administration, and it was unnecessary.

00:03:57.460 Okay, so here's where things stand.

00:04:00.160 There are three emails that are getting a lot of attention.

00:04:04.080 Hold on.

00:04:05.480 The teeniest, tiny, little font.

00:04:09.500 It's a very small font.

00:04:12.660 Look at it.

00:04:13.520 Look at the report.

00:04:14.480 It has nice, big font up here.

00:04:15.960 And then the teeny, tiny font.

00:04:17.340 Like, honestly, even when I was 20, I'm not sure I could have read that without my readers.

00:04:21.420 Okay, here we go.

00:04:22.960 There's one.

00:04:24.360 This one's from Ghislaine Maxwell, sorry, from Jeffrey Epstein to Ghislaine Maxwell, his right-hand woman and sometimes affair partner.

00:04:33.740 Dated Saturday, April 2nd, 2011.

00:04:37.600 And he writes to her, I want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked is Trump.

00:04:46.460 Insert name of victim that's been redacted.

00:04:48.780 That'll come back in our discussion.

00:04:50.680 So, just victim.

00:04:52.820 Spent hours at my house with him.

00:04:55.300 He has never once been mentioned.

00:04:57.380 Police chief, et cetera.

00:04:59.300 I'm 75% there.

00:05:01.460 Now, I don't know what I'm 75% there means other than possibly he's 75% ready to tell authorities about Trump or something.

00:05:08.640 But this is before Trump was running for office.

00:05:10.840 He was just a businessman and a celebrity apprentice host back then, an apprentice host.

00:05:14.440 And this is post Jeffrey Epstein's sweetheart deal, you know, that he cut with the Trump administration a couple years later.

00:05:26.320 And, but the trouble had arisen back in 2008, 2009, originally.

00:05:32.540 So, I'm just trying to get my facts, like, straight of when the actual deal was cut under the Trump administration, Alex Acosta.

00:05:39.420 But the trouble started back in 2008 and 2009 when he first got arrested.

00:05:44.360 So, there's been, like, a sequence of events.

00:05:46.200 In any event, this is him saying that, allegedly, this is the dog that won't hunt, that some victims spent hours at Epstein's house with Trump, and Trump has never once been mentioned by anyone, including the police chief.

00:05:59.940 That's one.

00:06:01.160 I guess we can just start there.

00:06:02.340 The fact that the word victim is redacted is quite telling, Bhatia.

00:06:08.620 And what we're seeing from House Republicans who are responding to the Democrats' immediate attempt to try to play this up is the following.

00:06:17.600 House Oversight Committee tweets out the following, or at least the GOP.

00:06:21.460 Why did Democrats cover up the name of the alleged victim when the estate, Jeffrey Epstein's estate, which produced this document, did not redact it in the redacted documents provided to the committee?

00:06:34.100 So, this is a Democrat redaction, not an Epstein estate redaction.

00:06:38.540 And they wrote, it's because this victim, Virginia Giuffre, they out, publicly said she never witnessed wrongdoing by President Trump.

00:06:46.760 Democrats are trying to create a fake narrative to slander President Trump.

00:06:51.680 Shame on them.

00:06:53.740 Just for context, Julie K. Brown, the Miami Herald reporter who's broken tons of stories about Epstein, says the three emails were written during critical times in Epstein's life.

00:07:00.800 We'll get to the other two.

00:07:01.880 But as for this one, in 2011, she says it was written when the FBI was beginning to suspect that the crimes Epstein committed in Florida in the early 2000s went beyond those he committed in Palm Beach.

00:07:13.660 So, that's where it stands now, because they were sniffing around him in 2008.

00:07:21.060 I believe he signed that sweetheart deal in 2009, and then it all came back again in like 2015 leading into 16.

00:07:31.140 I'm trying to remember when he was first added as having done much, much more.

00:07:34.200 But in any event, the original trouble was 08, 09, and she's pointing out he's cut this deal in Palm Beach, and the FBI by 2011 was starting to suspect that those crimes were just the tip of the iceberg.

00:07:47.260 So, what do you make of the redaction of the alleged victim from this very, very damning email, Batya?

00:07:54.360 It's so hilarious to me, because they knew if they left her name in, this would be totally dismissed, because she has been revealed to be a serial fabricator who had to literally recant her testimony against Alan Dershowitz.

00:08:12.560 It's, she's made up so many things.

00:08:15.260 Her book was initially supposed to be a novel, because so much of it was just absolute fabrications.

00:08:21.420 Unfortunately, she took her own life.

00:08:22.920 It's very sad, obviously very troubled. 0.94

00:08:25.160 But the idea that this is somehow like a smoking gun for Trump, I think is so utterly ridiculous to see the Democrats racing to take the word of an actual pedophile, Jeffrey Epstein, just so they can smear Donald Trump. 0.97

00:08:42.100 It's just so gross. 0.90

00:08:42.980 It's like when they went to the trough of Michael Cohen and elevated him as some sort of truth teller because they thought it would hurt Donald Trump.

00:08:49.980 I just think if this is all they could find in there on Donald Trump and Epstein, Trump is in a really good place.

00:08:56.240 We know that he kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago because he thought he was a creep. 0.97

00:09:02.240 So the idea that it's somehow some smoking gun, you know, that he thought he was a creep, I think is so totally ridiculous.

00:09:09.000 The replacement of her name with the word victim tells you everything you need to know.

00:09:13.080 So much of this story is just classic Me Too overreach.

00:09:16.700 There was that ridiculous press conference where they had woman after woman after woman come up and say, I was a Jeffrey Epstein victim.

00:09:23.620 Half of them, Megan, met Jeffrey Epstein after they were already adults.

00:09:28.360 You know, the idea that they are the victims of pedophilia.

00:09:31.540 It's just everyone should read Michael Tracy's reporting on this.

00:09:34.160 He's just been absolutely, absolutely great just holding their feet to the fire.

00:09:38.660 And it's just so funny to see the right running with what is a classic Me Too overreach story because they thought the Democrats were sort of holding back on them.

00:09:48.120 It turns out they are now.

00:09:49.500 That redaction tells you everything you need to know.

00:09:52.360 The Virginia Dufresne thing is amazing. 1.00

00:09:54.940 The fact that they redacted that is just incredible to me.

00:09:57.900 First of all, she outed herself as an Epstein victim.

00:10:00.940 Like, you don't have to protect the identity of a victim when she's outed herself as a victim.

00:10:05.480 Like, and they know this rule because I hate to bring her up, but let's just take Gretchen Carlson, who claims she was a victim of Roger Ailes. 0.99

00:10:15.360 And CNN and the Democrats, they had her testify before Congress. 0.87

00:10:20.300 They didn't say, oh, witness in shadow because she outed herself as an alleged victim.

00:10:25.200 And Virginia Dufresne has been, before she died, all over the news.

00:10:31.180 She wrote a memoir.

00:10:32.500 Like, she gave tons of interviews.

00:10:34.540 Why would they redact her name if that is, in fact, the name, as the GOP members of the House Oversight Committee are saying, given the fact that she'd already been outed? 0.75

00:10:44.540 So this is ridiculous.

00:10:45.960 And it does suggest there was an ulterior motive.

00:10:49.200 Here's the thing about Virginia Dufresne, and I've said this every time her name has come up since we launched this show in 2020.

00:10:54.060 In 2020, I had on Alan Dershowitz right after we launched.

00:10:57.360 He's a longtime friend, and I saw him come under fire by Virginia Dufresne, and I knew it was a lie about you.

00:11:02.200 I've known him a long time.

00:11:03.620 And when you hear a denial that you know is true, it sounds very different from a denial that you think is not true.

00:11:09.620 Just by case in point, we did a thing, a report yesterday morning on AM Update about those two baseball players who were accused of throwing balls instead of strikes in certain innings to let people bet on the pitch.

00:11:22.300 And the MLB, to its credit, saw that certain betting would go up in a certain inning on this one closer and this one starter for this team.

00:11:30.720 And they conducted an investigation to see if there was some funny business going on.

00:11:33.740 And sure enough, they concluded there was.

00:11:35.760 They brought in—they referred it to law enforcement.

00:11:37.980 Now these two guys have been charged.

00:11:39.600 Their denials are both like, he is innocent.

00:11:43.000 He would never do anything to undermine his chances in a game.

00:11:48.600 That is not what a truth-teller sounds like.

00:11:50.720 A truth-teller says, I never threw a pitch in coordination with any bet anywhere.

00:11:58.320 I always threw my best pitch and the appropriate one for the moment and never reaped any or sought any reward there for.

00:12:05.620 That—okay.

00:12:06.340 The denials that Alan Dershowitz issued to Virginia Dufresne sounded like this.

00:12:12.940 I never slept with her ever anywhere.

00:12:15.840 I never slept with any woman other than my wife ever anywhere.

00:12:19.820 And there will never be a recording or any proof whatsoever that I did because I didn't.

00:12:26.340 I am factually innocent of the charges against me.

00:12:29.280 And I demand that she come forward with proof that I was where she says I was on these dates.

00:12:34.360 When she didn't, he produced his own date books showing he couldn't have been in the places she was alleging.

00:12:40.780 And here is how the Virginia Dufresne allegation—keep in mind, we're talking about this because now it appears she's being used by the Democrats as Trump's alleged accuser—

00:12:49.560 that this is how Virginia Dufresne decided to ruin Alan Dershowitz's life. 0.82

00:12:55.620 The first email between Dufresne and a journalist named Sharon Churcher happened in May of 2011, okay?

00:13:05.480 Right around the time this email between Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell happened, by the way.

00:13:09.620 And this journalist was trying to help Virginia Dufresne sell a book that she was writing then about her experiences with Epstein.

00:13:18.680 Dufresne writes the following email to Sharon Churcher.

00:13:20.720 Hi, Sharon. We're drawing up a contract through her agent right now and getting busy to meet my deadline—I don't know who her agent is—and getting busy to meet my deadline.

00:13:31.280 Just wondering if you have information on you from when you and I were doing interviews about the J.E. story.

00:13:36.760 I wanted to put the names of some of the assholes—I mean, oops, I mean to say pedos—that Jeffrey Epstein sent me to. 0.99

00:13:44.120 With everything going on, my brain feels like mush, and it would be a great deal of help. 0.99

00:13:47.960 Churcher responded, don't forget Alan Dershowitz.

00:13:51.840 We all suspect Alan is a pedo, and though no proof of that, you probably met him when he was hanging out with J.E.

00:14:04.200 That is what was behind the Jufre accusation that ruined Alan's life. 0.94

00:14:11.920 People still think he was an Epstein sex trafficker. 0.99

00:14:15.520 It's a fucking lie, and while I don't doubt Virginia Jufre that she fell within the crosshairs of Jeffrey Epstein and was used and abused by him because he was a serial user and abuser, 0.99

00:14:26.740 I don't believe one word she said about Alan Dershowitz, and she lied repeatedly about the age she was when she had encounters with the Epstein connections and so on. 1.00

00:14:39.420 That's all been caught.

00:14:40.880 Like, ages she would know that were—she was off by several years that would have made the difference between whether she was a minor or an adult and so on.

00:14:48.260 And that's the woman who now the Democrats want to use as, I guess, their smoking gun against Trump. 1.00

00:14:54.280 And here's just one more piece.

00:14:55.800 Okay, one more thing about Jufre.

00:14:59.820 She published a posthumous memoir.

00:15:02.960 She killed herself.

00:15:03.720 She took her—died by suicide last year.

00:15:06.140 And she was working on a memoir at the time, and she had a co-writer who was ghostwriting it for her, Amy Wallace.

00:15:13.140 And here is what her posthumous memoir, titled Nobody's Girl, says about Trump, writes about Trump.

00:15:19.180 She describes meeting Trump once at Mar-a-Lago, where her father worked, but does not accuse Trump of wrongdoing.

00:15:25.100 Trump, quote, could not have been friendlier, Jufre said, adding that he offered to help her find babysitting work.

00:15:31.480 Then the co-author, Amy Wallace, who finished the book off, was asked whether Jufre ever accused Trump of wrongdoing during their private conversations.

00:15:40.300 Wallace answered, quote, she, Virginia, never talked about him in any sense that he was involved in any of this, end quote.

00:15:47.900 Then she goes on to say, quote, as far as she knew—and again, she was there for two-plus years, meaning Virginia—

00:15:54.760 But as far as she, Virginia, knew, Trump was not involved in the ring of trafficking that Epstein was working.

00:16:02.300 That is why the Democrats redacted the name Virginia Jufre from this alleged smoking gun email. 1.00

00:16:09.720 A hundred percent.

00:16:10.980 And all of this is why I am against the release of the full Epstein files.

00:16:17.340 I understand the arguments for it.

00:16:18.860 Don't give the Democrats the power to make these ridiculous redactions.

00:16:21.860 But at the same time, Megan, as you point out, Alan Dershowitz did not recover from that fully. 0.76

00:16:29.180 There are still people out there who think he is a pedophile, despite the fact that she was forced by court to recant that.

00:16:36.680 And so how many other names are in there of people who are completely innocent, but whose lives will be destroyed when this tranche of documents,

00:16:47.200 some of them written by Epstein himself, a serial pedophile, a terrible person whose word should not be trusted or worth anything.

00:16:58.400 When that gets out there, I just feel that in the court of public opinion, there are people who will be judged and will never be able to defend themselves,

00:17:06.840 despite being totally innocent, kind of in the way that Trump is now being smeared.

00:17:11.360 Now, we can say, look, this is all like obvious nonsense.

00:17:14.800 He obviously didn't do anything.

00:17:16.060 There's no evidence there.

00:17:17.360 But there will always be people who believe that he did do something because of all of this,

00:17:23.160 just like there are still people who watch the mainstream media.

00:17:26.800 Just yesterday, Megan, someone said to me, well, he did say find people on both sides about neo-Nazis.

00:17:31.660 Oh, Lord.

00:17:32.240 It's 2025, and they still believe that this is like a mainstream person, a person who actually is, you know, in the political world who, honest to God, was not lying to me.

00:17:44.060 Like, honest to God still believes that.

00:17:45.800 And I just feel that it is unfair to people to do that to them because they will not recover, just like Alan Dershowitz's reputation never fully recovered.

00:17:55.520 If you're going to do it, you're going to have to release the victims' names.

00:17:58.540 I've said this before. 0.84

00:17:59.780 This is utter bullshit, but speaking of Gretchen Carlson, when the Fox News investigation went down around Roger Ailes, I remember asking, is he going to know the names of the people who came forward? 0.97

00:18:10.460 And my lawyer said to me, yes, he has the right to know to defend himself. 0.98

00:18:15.640 And I said, that's fair.

00:18:17.340 You know, and I was totally like, I didn't want to blow up my relationship with him.

00:18:21.400 I got sucked into that whole thing.

00:18:22.440 But I understood fully he had the right to defend himself and that all of us were going to have our names on the line if, in fact, we came forward.

00:18:30.520 That is part of the deal.

00:18:31.820 It's like they – it's all – it's kind of bizarre.

00:18:35.600 I understand protecting children.

00:18:37.240 I totally understand protecting the identities of children.

00:18:40.140 But, like, honestly, even just the whole wide net that prevents sexual assault accusers from being named is strange to me.

00:18:48.300 I'm sorry, I definitely don't want them re-victimized, I've talked to countless numbers of women who are in this boat, but these guys have the right to confront their accuser.

00:18:58.160 And in today's day and age where we do trial by media, they have the right to have the name out there so people can assess a person's credibility.

00:19:06.940 It's just a question of basic fairness.

00:19:08.560 Let's keep going on the two other emails.

00:19:10.600 Let me get my – let's go back to a little tiny little Lilliputian font. 0.72

00:19:14.460 I'll just say very quickly, Megan, some of the victims, according to Michael Tracy's reporting, don't want their names out there because they settled for millions of dollars, okay?

00:19:25.440 Right.

00:19:25.720 So, you know, there's another piece of this as well.

00:19:28.860 Right.

00:19:29.380 All right.

00:19:29.600 The Jeffrey Epstein money train was no question an allure to many women who may or may not have been caught up in his disgusting behavior.

00:19:40.580 I mean, we'll never know, but there was a period there where they were doling out money like it was candy to any woman who came forward and could prove that she had some relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.

00:19:50.480 That doesn't mean they were all victims.

00:19:52.560 Okay.

00:19:53.200 So here's another one.

00:19:55.400 This is December 16th, 2015.

00:19:59.500 I think that says – so, wait, we'll start with – no, yeah, December 15th.

00:20:03.160 Tuesday, December 15th at 8 p.m.

00:20:05.500 And this is from Michael Wolff, the author.

00:20:09.700 He wrote to Epstein.

00:20:12.360 This is when Trump was running for the nomination in December 15th of – December 15th of 2015.

00:20:19.560 He writes,

00:20:19.840 I hear CNN planning to ask Trump tonight about his relationship with you, either on air or in the scrum afterward.

00:20:28.200 And then Epstein responds a couple hours later,

00:20:30.820 if we were able to craft an answer for him, what do you think it should be?

00:20:35.680 And then Michael Wolff responds to him on 12-16, the next day. 0.99

00:20:40.520 I think you should let him hang himself.

00:20:43.120 If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable PR and political currency. 0.99

00:20:50.600 You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you.

00:20:55.160 Or, if it really looks like he could win, you could save him, generating a debt.

00:21:01.380 Of course, it is possible that when asked, he'll say Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal

00:21:06.280 and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime.

00:21:11.680 Okay, so what does that mean?

00:21:14.800 What – my conclusion from this is Michael Wolff is gross.

00:21:19.060 We knew that yesterday.

00:21:20.500 We'll know it tomorrow.

00:21:21.600 And by the way, we'll know it especially tomorrow, and that's all I'm going to say.

00:21:24.120 We have a bit of a tease for what's coming up on this show, making good on a promise I made to the audience long ago on Epstein.

00:21:31.240 But in any event, here he is giving PR advice.

00:21:34.120 I mean, whatever.

00:21:35.060 He's not a good guy.

00:21:36.520 I'm sure Jeffrey Epstein needed PR advice by this point in his life, and I'm sure somebody was going to provide it to him.

00:21:41.700 But that's what Wolff was doing, trying to get leverage over the possible next president of the United States.

00:21:48.620 It all came to nothing, but this has got Trump's critics salivating.

00:21:54.120 And then I'll just read you the last one, which is the most recent exchange.

00:21:59.420 This is now from 2019, which is when Epstein got arrested.

00:22:02.940 This is from Epstein to Michael Wolff, January 31st, 2019.

00:22:11.360 Victim, redacted, Mar-a-Lago.

00:22:15.200 Redact, redact, redact.

00:22:16.440 I don't know what's in there.

00:22:17.320 It doesn't say victim, so he's saying something else.

00:22:20.060 Comma or period.

00:22:21.640 No idea what was redacted.

00:22:23.060 Then he writes, Trump said he asked me to resign.

00:22:27.240 Never a member, ever.

00:22:29.360 So he's trying to say, Trump wanted me to resign from Mar-a-Lago, but I was never a member of Mar-a-Lago.

00:22:33.660 Of course, he knew about the girls as he asked Ghislaine to stop.

00:22:39.480 Now, that's the most incriminating thing that's in any of these emails, but we have no idea what it means.

00:22:45.240 Of course, he knew about the girls.

00:22:47.680 He asked Ghislaine to stop.

00:22:50.280 Stop what?

00:22:51.420 Is this Trump found out that Epstein liked him young?

00:22:54.420 Something Trump has said himself on camera.

00:22:56.580 And he went to Ghislaine to say, whatever you're doing, stop.

00:22:59.580 Because that doesn't make Trump look bad.

00:23:02.840 Though it may be inconsistent with Trump's denials of knowing, you know, much at all about what Epstein was doing.

00:23:08.640 I don't know.

00:23:09.060 I haven't poured through Trump's specifics on that.

00:23:11.600 But this is ambiguous.

00:23:12.720 However, this is kind of what made me say, wouldn't it be better for Trump if he just said, release it all?

00:23:19.260 I'm not worried about any of this.

00:23:20.500 Rather than letting it come out piecemeal, they discovered it from the Epstein estate.

00:23:24.980 And Trump had clearly directed Bondi not to produce anything.

00:23:28.080 Like, if I were a Democrat, to be honest, Patia, I'd be blowing this up and asking over and over again what it means.

00:23:34.520 It's so interesting because, to me, that sounds exactly like something we already knew, which is it's been reported that the reason he asked Epstein to stop coming to Mar-a-Lago was because he would hit on the daughters of the members.

00:23:47.060 Like, that was, like, out there reported.

00:23:49.600 So I don't see how this is incriminating at all.

00:23:52.700 It suggests that Trump, like you said, knew that Jeffrey Epstein liked them young and didn't approve of it.

00:23:57.540 So we don't know when Jeffrey was talking about in that moment.

00:24:02.200 So I don't really see this.

00:24:03.400 And honestly, I think Trump's instincts are so spot on about this because, to me, it seems like all of the energy around the Jeffrey Epstein files is really coming from Democrats who hate Trump and hate Trump voters.

00:24:18.960 And then people who are in the content business for whom, before Trump was elected, this was a really big topic.

00:24:27.520 This generated a lot of interest from people.

00:24:30.000 But now that Trump is the president, if you look at public opinion polling of Republicans, they're just not that interested in this.

00:24:38.040 And I think Trump just feels like he can ride this out.

00:24:41.360 And why feed it?

00:24:42.980 Because it's only his enemies making hay out of it.

00:24:46.120 And the mainstream media just does not have that same power that it used to have.

00:24:51.420 Megan, you have all that power now to set the agenda.

00:24:54.520 So I think that's kind of maybe how he's seeing it.

00:24:57.620 Yep.

00:24:57.960 I mean, I understand that rationale.

00:25:01.040 Just for the record, Trump has said he stopped speaking to Epstein because Epstein stole workers from Mar-a-Lago's spa.

00:25:12.020 Now, that is what happened with Virginia Giuffre. 1.00

00:25:14.720 Virginia was a worker in the Mar-a-Lago spa, and Jeffrey Epstein did steal her to go work for him.

00:25:21.620 So Trump is saying that's why.

00:25:23.220 He's not leaning into the he was sniffing around young girls, and so I told him he had to leave Mar-a-Lago story.

00:25:30.280 There's another story that he broke up with Epstein because they were buds.

00:25:33.860 There's no question they were very close for more than 10 years, which is what makes me believe Trump was on the Epstein plane and at Epstein's house.

00:25:40.740 Of course, they were very good friends, but there's another story that Epstein took Trump to go see a property with him that Epstein was thinking of buying out of bankruptcy, and he wanted Trump to advise him on the property.

00:25:55.040 And instead of advising him, Trump bought it.

00:25:57.200 He bought it out from under Epstein.

00:25:59.220 So I don't know why they broke up, but, you know, we're having to relive all of this nonsense because the whole—there's a number of reasons why.

00:26:07.660 Because Trump and several Trump accolades or accolites have made a very big deal out of Jeffrey Epstein.

00:26:15.880 I mean, I don't think you can absolve Trump of that at all, Batya. 0.75

00:26:19.220 It's like Dan Bongino and Kash Patel were the two top Epstein, you know, theory pushers.

00:26:26.000 I don't call it a conspiracy theory because I actually—they might have very well been on to something, you know, that there was a cover-up of Epstein.

00:26:31.640 And then that's why it was so shocking when Trump got into power and then said, what story?

00:26:35.580 What are you talking about?

00:26:36.100 This is a nothing burger.

00:26:37.360 Trump had not been out in front on it as the people he hired to run, like the FBI, you know?

00:26:43.180 It's not like we put them in charge of HHS, you know, like the FBI.

00:26:48.100 So that's how Republicans got into this because it was buried under Biden.

00:26:54.500 They didn't understand why we didn't get any answers, and then they thought when Trump took over, we would.

00:26:58.700 And instead, Trump did what Biden had done, which was there's no there, there.

00:27:01.800 I'm not releasing anything on this.

00:27:03.660 And some Republicans are still burned by it.

00:27:05.420 You know, MTG spoke with her last week.

00:27:07.920 She's still out there saying, I demand answers on this.

00:27:10.820 I want to see all the files.

00:27:12.220 A couple of other Republicans are with her, like Massey and some others.

00:27:15.860 But you're right.

00:27:16.720 The reason that Republicans have lost interest for the most part in this is because the Democrats took it as their own, like they do with everything, went too far.

00:27:22.940 It changed from like a genuine search for truth, which I think Republicans really wanted, into just a political weapon to try to bring Trump down, which is what they do with everything. 0.97

00:27:32.540 And Republicans are fucking over that game. 0.98

00:27:35.540 Yeah, definitely. 0.99

00:27:36.960 And I think that that press conference, was it two months ago, three months ago, where you had the alleged victims?

00:27:42.640 Yeah, and Thomas Massey with this parade of, it was just, it was so sordid and, you know, the promise of salacious details and then the women saying, actually, we're going to make our own list. 1.00

00:27:56.200 You know, like the whole thing was so.

00:27:58.480 Where's that?

00:27:58.820 Exactly.

00:28:00.420 And it just seemed like, you know, there was a lot like obvious, obvious money grubbing, obvious, you know, coming together of the two sides, because both sides are, see themselves as Trump's political opponents and enemies.

00:28:15.360 The politicization, the money aspect of it.

00:28:19.320 These women who were grownups when they met Jeffrey Epstein talking about themselves like they were children at the time.

00:28:26.460 To me, that's really off-putting.

00:28:28.960 It's kind of a slap in the face to the actual victims.

00:28:32.260 The Virginia Giuffre aspect where there was just lie upon lie upon lie.

00:28:37.120 Like the idea that this is kind of something that's going to bring Trump down with his own base, with the other side, I just find it to be all so sordid.

00:28:47.440 And moreover, you know, Jeffrey Epstein, there are countless, countless numbers of women, young women, who were brought into his houses and to his island and paid for, quote, a massage with a happy ending, for lack of a better term.

00:29:04.120 I mean, countless numbers of women. 1.00

00:29:05.840 And he did like them young.

00:29:07.280 And there were several young women who he did this to who were minors, who were underage.

00:29:10.980 There's just no question about that.

00:29:12.220 That is a true fact about Jeffrey Epstein.

00:29:15.300 But that is not a true fact about Donald Trump.

00:29:18.860 And if Donald Trump allegedly liked the barely legal type, we would know, Batya. 0.99

00:29:25.280 We would know.

00:29:26.500 We know virtually everything about the man's sex life, unfortunately.

00:29:30.920 And we would know if he had a penchant for the super young girls at this point.

00:29:35.680 Like, he ran the Miss Universe contest.

00:29:37.920 Like, yes, we heard a story about him possibly going backstage into the dressing room at least once.

00:29:45.400 Not great.

00:29:46.600 Not particularly shocking, given how Trump was when he was younger.

00:29:50.040 But we have not seen some slew of young women come forward to say, me too, on Donald Trump molesting them or having paid for sex with them when they were barely legal or otherwise.

00:30:03.520 It just hasn't happened. 0.96

00:30:04.620 Yeah, in fact, at that same press conference, the lawyer for a group of the women actually said Jeffrey Epstein would prey upon women when they were underage, true and disgusting and horrible.

00:30:18.980 And then the lawyer said, and when they came of age and he was no longer interested in them, he would then pass them on.

00:30:25.580 So there was no pedophilia ring.

00:30:28.620 There was a pedophile who did unspeakable things to vulnerable girls.

00:30:33.100 And then they would age out of Jeffrey Epstein's pedophilic interests, at which point he would then start to pass them around to his friends, meaning that there were not actual crimes committed by anybody beyond.

00:30:45.780 There's no pedophile ring.

00:30:46.880 There's a pedophile and then a bunch of friends who were getting massages at that point from women who were no longer underage.

00:30:53.560 This is from the lawyer at that press conference.

00:30:55.860 So I think that that kind of dispels a lot of the like salaciousness of the story.

00:31:00.380 People are like, where is the justice for the victims?

00:31:02.560 The justices, one of the person, the people who did unspeakable things to them, died in prison and the other one is still in prison.

00:31:10.980 So like they got their justice.

00:31:12.740 And the whole ring idea, I think, has been wildly blown out of proportion for these political reasons.

00:31:17.340 I don't know about ring, but there are definitely a couple of very well-connected people who have not been brought to justice.

00:31:23.900 I'm not going to repeat the names here, but one of them is a very, very successful business owner.

00:31:29.020 No, it's, I'm not, I'm just, I don't want to get sued, but one of them is a hugely successful business owner who seems to be a bit of a pervert.

00:31:36.420 And his name is all over the papers.

00:31:37.920 His connections to Epstein are very, very well-known.

00:31:40.140 They were connected financially.

00:31:41.700 They were connected as friends.

00:31:43.340 And like, I want to know more about him.

00:31:46.000 There's plenty who I want to know more about who have been publicly linked to Epstein and seem to have dodged responsibility.

00:31:52.420 That's my own take on it.

00:31:53.440 It's not that I'm not referring to secret names only I know.

00:31:56.060 I'm talking about names that are in the paper.

00:31:57.240 But again, like without hardcore proof, you shouldn't say their names because you don't know what they're true.

00:32:03.300 But, you know, I mean, people know the names.

00:32:04.620 We've heard them many, many times.

00:32:06.440 Anyway, I do think there are some who are so well-connected or did such a good job of hiding their tracks that they'll never be facing real charges.

00:32:13.600 As for Epstein, I've said this before, but just as a reminder, I do know somebody very, very close to this case who is in a position to know virtually everything.

00:32:21.740 Not everything, but virtually everything.

00:32:23.320 And this person has told me from the start, years and years ago, that Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile.

00:32:32.760 This is this person's view who was there for a lot of this, but that he was into the barely legal type.

00:32:37.620 Like he liked 15-year-old girls. 0.79

00:32:40.280 And I realize this is disgusting.

00:32:42.820 I'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for this.

00:32:44.480 I'm just giving you facts.

00:32:46.700 That he wasn't into like eight-year-olds, but he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were, but would look legal to a passerby.

00:33:00.140 And that is what I believed, and that was what I reliably was told for many years.

00:33:04.580 And it wasn't until we heard from Pam Bondi that they had tens of thousands of videos of alleged, forgive me, they used to call it kiddie porn.

00:33:14.740 Now they call it child sexual abuse material. 0.94

00:33:16.700 Pedophile on his computer that for the first time I thought, oh, no, he was an actual pedophile. 0.86

00:33:23.020 I mean, only a pedophile gets off on young children abuse videos.

00:33:27.580 She's never clarified it.

00:33:29.180 I don't know whether it's true.

00:33:30.660 I have to be honest.

00:33:31.540 I don't really trust Pam Bondi's word on the Epstein matters anymore.

00:33:35.680 Or anything else.

00:33:36.480 Yeah, so I don't know what's true about him, but we have yet to see anybody come forward and say, I was under 10.

00:33:48.500 I was under 14 when I first came within his purview.

00:33:53.560 Look, you can say that's a distinction without a difference.

00:33:57.620 I think there is a difference.

00:33:58.820 There's a difference between a 15-year-old and a 5-year-old.

00:34:02.160 You know, it's just whatever. 0.94

00:34:03.180 It's sick.

00:34:03.620 Every time we start talking about Epstein, it makes your skin crawl, right? 0.94

00:34:06.480 The whole thing is just disgusting. 0.60

00:34:08.660 Totally.

00:34:10.900 Anyway, well, what do you think?

00:34:12.700 Does this stay in the news around Trump?

00:34:14.640 Because I'll give you a couple of reactions here.

00:34:17.160 You got Alex Berenson, who's a straight shooter, great reporter, writing,

00:34:23.280 so at Real Donald Trump, quote, knew about the girls, quoting Epstein, 0.99

00:34:26.740 and at Michael Wolff is an even bigger scumbag than any of us knew. 1.00

00:34:30.800 And we all knew, he writes, that he was an enormous scumbag. 1.00

00:34:34.400 Trump cannot bluster his way out of this. 0.99

00:34:36.100 He better accept that whatever is in the files is coming out good, he writes.

00:34:41.440 And then there's more.

00:34:43.940 Mike Cernovich on X, who's a great follow, writes,

00:34:46.840 Trump broke everyone's heart with this line about—oh, sorry, that's a different one.

00:34:50.940 That's different criticism on Trump on his H-1B visas, which we'll get to.

00:34:55.040 Confused my two stories.

00:34:56.580 But there was more on Trump, just some pushback on whether this is his own fault.

00:35:03.380 So, I don't know.

00:35:04.100 Does this go away in a day, or is this with us for a while?

00:35:06.780 Well, honestly, I have to say, it's funny you brought up the H-1B visas. 0.93

00:35:09.680 Like, it's not necessarily terrible for Trump for the next 24 hours to be an Epstein news

00:35:15.560 cycle, because the news cycle was really bad this morning before this broke.

00:35:19.460 He had this disastrous interview with Laura Ingraham in which he really, really went against

00:35:25.680 what MAGA wants on the Chinese students and universities and then the H-1B visas.

00:35:29.720 There's the affordability crisis, which he's not doing a great job of responding to and showing

00:35:34.640 empathy for.

00:35:35.380 So, you know, it's—in my view, you know, the news cycle was actually a lot worse for him

00:35:39.600 before this broke, because he knows how to get through a Jeffrey Epstein news cycle, okay?

00:35:44.820 Can you imagine if it shifts now, if Pam Bondi's like,

00:35:47.560 I'm going to release it all.

00:35:49.300 I'd change my mind.

00:35:53.060 Exactly.

00:35:53.460 You raise a very good point.

00:35:55.120 Doesn't have to worry about the midterms for 48 hours, right?

00:35:57.820 It's like—

00:35:59.660 This is a very good point.

00:36:01.200 Like, maybe Trump told the House Oversight Committee to just release it.

00:36:04.200 Do it.

00:36:04.680 Go ahead.

00:36:05.660 Do me a solid, too, and redact the name Virginia Giuffre.

00:36:08.040 That'll give him a lot to chew on.

00:36:10.240 Okay.

00:36:10.860 Let's keep going.

00:36:11.720 Let's do H-1Bs and the Ingraham interview, because she did make a lot of news with him.

00:36:16.500 So you mentioned the Chinese students.

00:36:18.040 Take a look at this, thought three.

00:36:19.800 You've said as many as 600,000 Chinese students could come to the United States.

00:36:24.280 Why, sir, is that a pro-MAGA position?

00:36:26.660 When so many American kids want to go to school, and there are places not for them, 0.96

00:36:31.760 and these universities are getting rich off Chinese money.

00:36:34.740 Sure.

00:36:35.540 Never said about China, but we do have a lot of people coming in from China.

00:36:39.480 We always have, China and other countries.

00:36:42.740 We also have a massive system of colleges and universities.

00:36:47.100 And if we were to cut that in half, which perhaps makes some people happy,

00:36:51.240 you would have half the colleges in the United States go out of business.

00:36:54.660 So what?

00:36:54.800 Well, I think that's a big deal.

00:36:56.580 But you would have, as you know, historically, black colleges and universities would all be out of business.

00:37:02.800 You would have a system of colleges and universities.

00:37:07.620 So we're dependent on China to keep our university system going?

00:37:10.480 But I think it's good to have, I actually think it's good to have outside countries.

00:37:15.120 Look, I want to be able to get along with the world.

00:37:17.220 And it's not that I want them, but I view it as a business.

00:37:20.460 You don't want to cut half of the people, half of the students from all over the world that are coming into our country,

00:37:26.880 destroy our entire university and college system.

00:37:30.320 I don't want to do that.

00:37:31.320 I wouldn't lose any.

00:37:31.940 And don't forget, MAGA was my idea.

00:37:34.000 MAGA was nobody else's idea.

00:37:35.440 I know what MAGA wants better than anybody else.

00:37:38.620 That is so Trump.

00:37:40.200 He said that to me, too.

00:37:41.900 After my interview with him in 23, he said, MAGA's not going to like that interview.

00:37:46.760 And then I actually said back to him, MAGA will feel about it however you tell them to.

00:37:52.400 You know, it's like if you telegraph you had a good interview, they'll like it.

00:37:55.960 If you say it sucked, they'll go a different way.

00:37:58.420 But he clearly does believe that. 0.84

00:38:00.240 Like, MAGA will do whatever he says.

00:38:03.780 I think there are two areas where he is vulnerable to his own base.

00:38:10.000 And it's because their love and attachment to him is based on these two things.

00:38:15.000 It's the fighting of China and the American elites that support them, like our university 1.00

00:38:19.440 system and then the immigration front.

00:38:22.200 And he does not have a lot of wiggle room there.

00:38:24.680 It's funny.

00:38:25.640 Mark Halperin, who's in your network on the Megyn Kelly Network, he asked me once on one

00:38:31.220 of his shows, what's the correct number of Chinese or foreign students we should have

00:38:35.580 in American universities?

00:38:36.700 And my answer was zero.

00:38:39.460 Yes, zero.

00:38:40.620 I'm with you.

00:38:41.780 Batya for president.

00:38:43.120 Zero.

00:38:43.640 Zero. 0.99

00:38:44.240 Every one of those spots should go to a black kid or a kid from Appalachia. 0.84

00:38:48.220 It is such an absolute chutzpah to be giving the greatest privilege in American education 0.78

00:38:55.100 to our enemies and not going and recruiting that talent here at home.

00:39:00.980 And it's the exact same thing with the H-1B visas.

00:39:03.720 Donald Trump was not elected because he tweets mean things.

00:39:08.100 He was elected to put Americans first.

00:39:10.880 And that is what it looks like.

00:39:13.240 It says, you know what, if you're a university that, by the way, is spouting anti-American

00:39:18.240 rhetoric day in and day out, teaching young people both on the right and the left to hate

00:39:22.960 America and hate the values this nation was founded on, and you're only able to stay in

00:39:27.460 business because of Chinese Communist Party apparatchiks flooding our system, go out of business. 0.99

00:39:35.300 This would be so great for America.

00:39:37.660 All of those billions of dollars that the taxpayer gives to higher ed, we'll give it to vocational

00:39:42.020 training.

00:39:42.940 Let's start building, you know, training centers in AI in the South and in the Midwest.

00:39:48.520 And let's give Americans a fair shot at the American dream.

00:39:52.100 That is why Donald Trump was elected.

00:39:53.840 And so to see him now, honestly, I think this is actually about tariffs.

00:39:58.820 I think that he realized in the fight with Xi Jinping that this was a huge bargaining chip

00:40:05.980 for Xi, that Xi would actually back down on the economic fight if Trump would promise

00:40:11.280 him those 600,000 spots for these, you know, CCP future apparatchiks.

00:40:15.540 It's extremely important.

00:40:17.640 It's infuriating.

00:40:18.640 But I think in Trump's mind, I don't think he's betraying America.

00:40:21.720 I think in his mind, he made a calculation that his tariff program falls or rises with

00:40:28.000 whether he can get a deal with China.

00:40:30.000 This is extremely important for reshoring manufacturing.

00:40:32.280 And if this is what Xi wants, he's willing to give it to him.

00:40:35.280 But I do think that clips like that just make the base feel like this is not what I voted

00:40:40.100 for.

00:40:41.360 Definitely not.

00:40:42.340 All right.

00:40:42.560 The H-1B visas, which are typically given.

00:40:46.060 I mean, they're the vast majority of them are given to people from India and they come and

00:40:51.320 they work in tech for the most part, which is why people like Elon Musk very much support

00:40:54.420 them.

00:40:54.720 Elon says he came on an H-1B visa initially and that it helped him.

00:40:58.560 But a couple of examples of how those visas are typically given.

00:41:03.000 Software engineers, IT specialists, scientists, researchers, accountants, architects, engineers,

00:41:08.440 medical professionals, and so on have to be like specialized.

00:41:11.600 That's generally how you get when you have like special skills.

00:41:14.740 That's what they say.

00:41:15.800 Then you can get an H-1B visa to come over to the United States and work here.

00:41:22.080 And there is a real debate between especially the techies and the Trumpies on whether these

00:41:28.320 are good.

00:41:28.900 So Laura asked him about the H-1B visas.

00:41:31.480 Here's how that went.

00:41:32.060 There's never going to be a country like what we have right now.

00:41:37.560 And does that mean the Republicans have to talk about it?

00:41:39.800 And does that mean the H-1B visa thing will not be a big priority for your administration?

00:41:44.760 Because if you want to raise wages for American workers, you can't flood the country with with 1.00

00:41:49.120 tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of foreign workers.

00:41:51.360 You also do have to bring in talent when we have plenty of talented people.

00:41:55.840 No, you don't.

00:41:56.140 No, you don't.

00:41:56.560 We don't have talented people.

00:41:57.920 No, you don't have you don't have certain talents and you have to people have to learn.

00:42:02.100 You can't take people off an unemployment like an unemployment line and say, I'm going

00:42:06.580 to put you into a factory.

00:42:07.720 We're going to make missiles.

00:42:10.200 Does he have a point or how do you see it?

00:42:13.840 Just so, so bad.

00:42:15.320 This is exactly what Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy were saying at that big blow up over Christmas

00:42:20.440 where they were saying, I'm sorry, we just don't have the talent here.

00:42:24.460 It's such a slap in the face to the American worker.

00:42:27.660 Train them.

00:42:28.500 Train everyone.

00:42:29.320 The H-1B visa holders who come in here, they are not specialized.

00:42:33.860 They have no talent.

00:42:34.780 You know what their talent is, Megan?

00:42:36.220 They're willing to work for $50,000 a year.

00:42:38.680 Exactly.

00:42:39.380 They have driven down the wages in STEM, which means that our brightest kids are not going

00:42:45.880 into STEM because what are you going to do?

00:42:47.500 Like graduate after four years with student loans and take a job where you're making 50K?

00:42:51.440 You're not going to do that.

00:42:52.540 So we're actually driving our brilliant Americans out of STEM because we're importing Indians 1.00

00:42:59.880 to do those jobs.

00:43:01.160 It is so atrocious and terrible.

00:43:04.100 And it is such a betrayal of the American worker.

00:43:07.160 And this is a fight we absolutely have to have right now because Trump has done an amazing

00:43:13.160 job of attracting, I think the number at this point is about $15 trillion in manufacturing

00:43:19.220 here.

00:43:20.180 And everything around that, so much of that is going to be AI training and AI work.

00:43:25.300 And we need to insist that every one of those jobs goes to an American. 0.98

00:43:30.540 You know, again, like people ask me a lot, what is the correct number of immigrants into

00:43:34.220 America right now?

00:43:35.220 And my answer is kind of the same, Megan.

00:43:37.520 It's somewhere close to zero.

00:43:39.020 Like it might not be zero.

00:43:40.680 There maybe is another Elon Musk out there who really wants to come here.

00:43:44.120 But right now we're just bringing in, you know, bargain basement programmers when those

00:43:50.000 could be middle-class jobs for American workers.

00:43:52.620 Americans who are struggling right now, why are so many people on food stamps?

00:43:58.780 Why is healthcare so expensive?

00:44:02.420 I mean, these are the questions we have to be having.

00:44:04.300 And the affordability question is totally, totally inseparable from this question of immigration.

00:44:12.540 The fact that we have so many immigrants in this country is a huge reason why Americans 1.00

00:44:17.260 make so little and are struggling with basics like food.

00:44:20.320 If you think about it, Megan, every illegal immigrant in America is either working, meaning 0.99

00:44:26.280 they're driving down the wages in that industry, or they're living off the government, meaning

00:44:31.000 the American taxpayer is subsidizing them.

00:44:33.580 There's no in between, right?

00:44:35.060 They're not being funded by somebody in their home country to live here in America.

00:44:39.900 Both of those options are utterly, utterly unacceptable, which is why in every single poll, the vast

00:44:45.760 majority of Americans, 56%, okay, a solid majority, supports deporting every single illegal immigrant.

00:44:54.200 And it seems now like what the Trump administration is saying is, okay, we're going to counteract the

00:44:58.760 deportation program with expanding the legal immigrants program.

00:45:04.940 Oh, yeah.

00:45:05.300 What is the administration's position on these visas?

00:45:18.220 No, we're going to keep using our visa programs.

00:45:20.820 We're just going to make sure that they have integrity, that we're actually doing the vetting

00:45:24.320 of the individuals who come into this country, that they want to be here for the right reasons,

00:45:28.280 that they're not supporters of terrorists and organizations that hate America.

00:45:32.340 And that's what I think is so remarkable is under the Trump administration, we've sped

00:45:36.540 up our process and added integrity to the visa programs, to green cards, to all of that.

00:45:41.720 But also, more people are becoming naturalized under this administration than ever before.

00:45:46.940 More people are becoming citizens because we're not just streamlining and building some processes

00:45:53.280 back into our immigration policies.

00:45:55.080 We're also making sure that these individuals that are coming into our country and get that

00:45:59.780 privilege, that they actually are here for the right reasons.

00:46:03.420 That was in defense of H-1 visas saying, you know, we're coming, but we're getting the best.

00:46:09.200 We're not getting people who hate America anymore.

00:46:11.600 And then that's the second point about more becoming naturalized.

00:46:14.540 I was like, oh, she thinks she's on CNN.

00:46:17.240 That's definitely not what the Fox viewers want to hear.

00:46:20.260 It's funny because, you know, Trump won because he cobbled together an unbelievably diverse coalition.

00:46:28.980 He brought in record numbers of Jewish Americans and Black Americans and Hispanic Americans into

00:46:34.160 the Republican Party and also these sort of tech bro oligarchs.

00:46:38.820 And the thing that the tech bro oligarchs want is access to cheap labor because, of course, 1.00

00:46:43.880 they want these visas.

00:46:45.280 Exactly.

00:46:45.860 They want these visas.

00:46:46.720 Elon Musk said, this is the hill I will die on.

00:46:50.260 You can go F yourself in the face if you're, this is literally what he tweeted, if you're 0.99

00:46:53.800 going to fight me on this. 0.72

00:46:55.480 Now, people like that who are very, very, very wealthy and want this like limitless stream

00:46:59.860 of low wage labor, their problem is very symbolic.

00:47:03.820 They really don't like seeing people like Mahmoud Khalil, a person who got the greatest privilege

00:47:09.180 on earth, an American green card, and used it to attack America and to support Hamas and 0.95

00:47:15.840 support terrorism.

00:47:17.160 You know, they don't like that.

00:47:18.420 Of course, I obviously don't like that either.

00:47:20.460 But that is not the number one problem we're facing with mass immigration.

00:47:23.880 The number one problem we're facing is that people who are not our neighbors are being

00:47:27.920 subsidized by our poor neighbor's taxpayer dollars to live here, to live in homes so that there's

00:47:34.500 a housing crisis, to work in their industries and drive down the wages and to basically immiserate

00:47:39.760 the working class.

00:47:41.580 They're being forced to pay for their competition, their replacements in the labor force.

00:47:48.820 So it's not like one here or there.

00:47:51.620 It'd be one thing they really were bringing specialized people, but it's like hundreds of

00:47:56.280 these visas for like one tech company, all from India, all low wage.

00:48:01.280 If they're so special, why aren't they getting higher wage, right?

00:48:04.480 Like if they actually have special skills that we can't get here, you would imagine they

00:48:07.620 would get the top of the pay scale, not the bottom.

00:48:10.960 Yeah, it's like about 500,000 of them over, I don't remember the exact period of time, but

00:48:16.120 already when you're talking about 500,000 people, it's not specialized, right?

00:48:20.480 It's an entire wage sector. 0.60

00:48:23.060 It's an entire sector of the economy.

00:48:25.340 So you have illegals competing with working class people. 0.96

00:48:28.640 You now have the H-1Bs competing with what would have been middle-class jobs. 0.96

00:48:32.840 Of course, $50,000 a year now is not a middle-class job anymore, right?

00:48:36.680 So you're just dragging everybody down with this.

00:48:40.360 So back in the 70s, which was the high watermark for working class wages, where they could afford

00:48:46.240 the American dream on a single income, buy a home, et cetera, the kind of ideal that we

00:48:50.660 look back to, the percentage of Americans living on American soil, people living on American

00:48:56.480 soil who were not born here was 4%.

00:49:00.080 It was a historic low.

00:49:02.160 Today, Megan, it's 15% or 16%.

00:49:04.640 It's never been this high in American history.

00:49:07.980 That is why young people can't afford to buy homes. 0.99

00:49:10.740 That is why people can't afford health care. 0.93

00:49:13.140 That is why 42 million people are on food stamps, because they cannot command the wages

00:49:18.900 that would give them a middle-class standard of living, because they are competing with

00:49:23.600 16% of the people here who were not born in the United States.

00:49:28.320 That is a, that's the number one problem for the working class.

00:49:31.400 And that should be the number one issue for Republicans going forward.

00:49:35.180 Wow.

00:49:35.780 Here is the Mike Cernovich tweet.

00:49:38.380 Trump broke everyone's heart with this line about the American workforce and H-1Bs, suggesting

00:49:44.140 we don't have workers who can do it. 0.95

00:49:46.800 Then there's Anthony Sabatini.

00:49:48.640 He's a vocal pro-Trump Lake County commissioner in Florida who wrote, this is insane.

00:49:53.180 We're going to lose the midterms so badly.

00:49:56.420 We've never seen an administration crash and burn in its first year so badly for no reason

00:50:00.800 other than to appease donors and special interests.

00:50:03.240 I think that overstates it by far.

00:50:05.340 He's, he's not crashing and burning so badly, but this was a, this was a

00:50:08.360 misstep this morning, uh, that those clips from Laura, they're not going to help, but

00:50:12.700 you know, look, Trump, as you point out, has his reasons and he's playing like a master

00:50:17.060 game when it, when it comes to like his policy balancing, as you point out the foreign policy

00:50:20.740 with the domestic and is asking us to trust him.

00:50:24.060 That's eroding even among his base with comments like that.

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00:53:46.440 All right.

00:53:46.660 So there is a hero in the news.

00:53:49.840 She's been amazing, this gal.

00:53:52.280 And she is not effing around. 1.00

00:53:53.640 Her name is Tish Hyman. 0.97

00:53:55.160 And she is an out lesbian. 0.97

00:53:58.240 She is a black woman. 0.68

00:54:00.880 She lives in California.

00:54:02.000 And she is the one who got kicked out of Gold's gym, her gym, last week because she objected to a very problematic male pretending to be a woman in her locker room.

00:54:15.000 Gold's handled it all the wrong way.

00:54:18.400 Unfortunately for all of us, they handled it because California state law requires any establishment to allow someone to use the locker room or bathroom that aligns with their gender identity.

00:54:31.740 So Gold's was not above board in the way they dealt with this.

00:54:35.520 But unfortunately for Gold's and every other business in California, they really don't have a lot of choice. 0.98

00:54:40.740 They have to let these losers hang out in female spaces. 1.00

00:54:44.300 Great job, Californians. 1.00

00:54:45.780 Great job.

00:54:46.400 Anyway, Tish is just amazing. 0.98

00:54:49.680 And she is now a woman on a mission.

00:54:52.780 She's a total ball buster. 1.00

00:54:54.500 I'm in love with this gal. 0.99

00:54:55.620 She's just so fierce. 0.93

00:54:57.440 So she decides to show up to the first public campaign interview given by the disgusting, horrific, awful Scott Wiener. 0.97

00:55:09.220 Don't vote for him. 0.94

00:55:11.640 I'm begging you.

00:55:13.040 I'm begging you.

00:55:14.220 If you are in California and in Nancy Pelosi's district where he's running for her soon-to-be-vacant seat, please vote for anyone other than Scott Wiener.

00:55:22.980 He is the worst politician in America.

00:55:25.920 He is my number one most loathed politician. 1.00

00:55:30.920 There's no one who's done more to trans children than this man.

00:55:34.020 No one.

00:55:34.940 I'm telling you, he's very strange.

00:55:36.540 He's very creepy.

00:55:37.600 There's something about this guy that really creeps me out.

00:55:40.920 And she, Tish, showed up at his event and decided to ask some questions.

00:55:46.460 We butted a bunch of the exchanges together.

00:55:48.940 Let's watch them.

00:55:49.840 Here they are.

00:55:51.660 As a lesbian woman who was attacked in the woman's locker room at Gold's Gym this week by a self-identifying trans woman with a documented history of domestic violence,

00:56:02.480 I'm deeply concerned about women's safety in the female-only spaces. 0.98

00:56:06.980 What would you say to women who are seeking assurance that their safety will be protected from men who, by California law, can self-ID as women into women-only spaces, sir?

00:56:19.260 Please tell me.

00:56:20.060 Yeah, so we want, I mean, everyone to be safe.

00:56:24.680 And we also know that, you know, we have trans people, both men and women, who are men and women.

00:56:33.320 And so, you know, we, so if you're trans women or women.

00:56:40.020 And I'm telling you as a woman, first and foremost, that this is dangerous. 1.00

00:56:43.920 And we need your help because you're in the office.

00:56:45.720 You're going to go in the Poliski spot. 1.00

00:56:47.300 I want to support you.

00:56:48.460 I have millions of people behind me watching this right now.

00:56:51.560 And we want to know, are you going to protect women, not trans women? 0.81

00:56:55.600 Women. 0.81

00:56:56.120 Women, trans women are a different thing. 1.00

00:56:57.640 Women. 0.81

00:56:58.280 Women. 0.81

00:56:58.840 Listen, we need to protect women's safety. 0.96

00:57:01.280 I was assaulted.

00:57:01.600 Women are women. 1.00

00:57:02.240 I was assaulted.

00:57:03.280 No, they are not.

00:57:04.080 They are men. 0.89

00:57:04.940 I was assaulted by women. 0.98

00:57:07.380 He broke his leg so bad she needed a reconstructive surgery. 0.84

00:57:11.620 I'm a lesbian.

00:57:12.820 I'm not transphobic and I'm black.

00:57:14.640 So if there's another black woman in here who wants to tell me how they feel, please join in.

00:57:19.060 But all of you are not. 0.81

00:57:20.380 And I don't know who you are, what you are, but I'm a lesbian. 0.98

00:57:22.820 And I'm telling you right now, men are harassing women in the locker room. 0.99

00:57:26.020 Let's let him answer the question.

00:57:28.020 I'm just telling you, sis, I want to woo, woo, woo. 0.95

00:57:29.900 No, just let, let's, let's.

00:57:31.300 Now I'm done.

00:57:31.720 And by the way, I respect what you have done.

00:57:33.360 I just want to let you know that.

00:57:34.600 I guess.

00:57:34.940 Let's give this in without fear.

00:57:36.740 I'm done.

00:57:37.080 I'm done.

00:57:37.580 I'm done.

00:57:37.880 I appreciate your point of view.

00:57:39.000 Thank you.

00:57:39.300 I'm so sorry that you were harassed.

00:57:40.880 Multiple times.

00:57:41.840 And I appreciate you talking about it.

00:57:43.700 I think we need to protect the safety of all women.

00:57:47.320 And that, obviously, that's incredibly important.

00:57:51.880 And I also know that trans women are also brutalized in this country.

00:57:58.760 So women and cisgender women are brutalized in this country. 1.00

00:58:02.640 And we have to protect the safety of all women.

00:58:04.660 We have to protect women. 0.69

00:58:06.140 We cannot be raped in the bathrooms by men that want to say they're women. 0.92

00:58:09.180 They're not women. 1.00

00:58:10.060 They're not women. 1.00

00:58:10.960 I'm leaving.

00:58:11.600 It's okay.

00:58:12.220 But I'm not going to take it.

00:58:13.620 I am leaving.

00:58:14.400 Because you know what?

00:58:15.380 You guys are not protecting women.

00:58:16.780 You're doing a lot.

00:58:17.400 The bills that you're passing for the law, I've read a lot of them.

00:58:19.840 They're great.

00:58:20.480 But these things with the trans, it's not right. 1.00

00:58:23.140 Thank you very much.

00:58:24.020 You're welcome.

00:58:26.460 It's like having a view into what's happening on Saturn.

00:58:30.900 I don't understand this community.

00:58:33.300 It's San Francisco.

00:58:34.380 I get it.

00:58:35.140 But how are these LGBs not realizing that the TQs are bizarre, are not part of the same universe, 1.00

00:58:42.720 are undermining their youth. 0.95

00:58:45.240 They're trying to convert little gay boys into girls because they otherize homosexuality 1.00

00:58:52.800 as something that's so disgusting they have to erase it by turning a gay boy into a female. 1.00

00:58:58.220 They're the enemy. 0.99

00:58:59.660 And Scott Wiener is the enemy.

00:59:01.720 He's never seen a child who he wouldn't trans if the kid expresses a modicum of gender confusion.

00:59:07.960 That's clear to me from reading this guy's bills and seeing the way he's behaved in California. 0.99

00:59:13.020 He's disgusting. 0.90

00:59:14.400 And she goes out there to confront him. 0.97

00:59:16.240 And at every turn, Batya, you know, we want everyone to be safe.

00:59:20.360 Everyone.

00:59:21.260 Not women. 1.00

00:59:22.160 That's not the issue.

00:59:23.520 We want everyone to be safe.

00:59:24.980 We have trans men and women who are men and women.

00:59:28.340 And then he doubles down.

00:59:30.080 Trans women are women, he says to her. 0.85

00:59:32.520 No, they're not. 0.90

00:59:34.280 They're men pretending to be us, which he knows but won't admit.

00:59:39.540 Then he goes on.

00:59:40.760 She says, are you going to protect women?

00:59:42.840 He said.

00:59:43.320 And then the crowd starts booing.

00:59:44.420 She said they're different.

00:59:45.440 The crowd starts booing, booing.

00:59:47.720 And once again, women are not the same as trans women, she says.

00:59:51.160 And he rejects that, saying we have to protect the safety of everyone.

00:59:56.280 And then highlights the fact that trans women are brutalized in this country. 0.99

01:00:01.080 That's the issue.

01:00:02.160 It's what's happening to the trans women, not the real women, who actually are being 1.00

01:00:06.980 attacked, harassed, and in some cases sexually assaulted by these perverted men pretending 0.61

01:00:12.720 to be us in order, in many cases, to gain access to us in vulnerable spaces.

01:00:19.100 This clip was so therapeutic to watch because it played out exactly as you would have wanted

01:00:25.740 it to, right?

01:00:26.520 At every step, she just spoke the truth.

01:00:31.500 And everybody around her trying to gaslight her, the way they've tried to gaslight the

01:00:36.840 nation, was totally silenced by just the starkness of the truth that she was speaking.

01:00:43.920 She took on that whole room and silenced them for booing her. 1.00

01:00:47.040 But Megan, I also found it very sad.

01:00:51.020 And I'll tell you why. 0.92

01:00:53.020 A large part of why she was able to do that is because she was a black lesbian who likes 1.00

01:00:59.600 his housing proposals.

01:01:01.000 So what she was basically saying is, I am from an actually marginalized community that you

01:01:09.580 white boomer progressives recognize that I am oppressed and marginalized.

01:01:14.440 So when I tell you that these trans men are attacking me in the bathroom, you have to listen. 1.00

01:01:20.560 And they were forced into submission because of her status as being this like double minority. 1.00

01:01:28.040 And on the one hand, she's obviously right.

01:01:30.940 But on the other hand, Megan, there's something wrong in our nation that if a white man had stood

01:01:36.960 up and said the same thing, he would have been booed out of the room, right?

01:01:41.140 Like nobody would have been able to accept the truth of what he was saying.

01:01:45.600 And I think that there's something about that that's really un-American. 0.58

01:01:49.960 It's sort of like anathema to who we are, to where the left will only accept these truths.

01:01:55.760 Not that anybody there really accepted it, but they felt embarrassed to contradict what she was

01:02:01.620 saying.

01:02:01.800 Because as you could tell in that room, the whole room was white, except for her and a black woman. 0.99

01:02:05.980 They did shut up. 1.00

01:02:06.900 They did shut up. 0.99

01:02:07.580 And when she left, she said to the black woman, don't let them use our race to transition 1.00

01:02:13.660 people, to transition children.

01:02:15.720 She said something along those lines.

01:02:17.740 I do think that the nation was once really sort of enthralled to this view that you can't

01:02:25.220 speak out against the transitioning of children, trans people in women's bathrooms and women's 1.00

01:02:31.860 sports.

01:02:32.080 But now, Megan, I think it's very obvious that this is an 80-20 issue and that the nation

01:02:37.440 is where this woman Tish is at and not where this wiener is. 1.00

01:02:42.220 And I have to say, Megan, a lot of that is because of you, because you really have been

01:02:45.900 such a strong but also intelligent voice on this and doing exactly the thing I'm describing,

01:02:53.280 which is saying, like, it is radicalizing to tell people not to trust what they see with

01:03:00.220 their own eyes.

01:03:01.840 You cannot tell a nation they have to pretend.

01:03:05.300 You cannot tell a nation that they have to force their daughters into this.

01:03:09.300 And I have to say, I had a very similar reaction when the Olympics came out and finally said,

01:03:14.280 no, we're not going to have trans people in women's sports anymore. 1.00

01:03:17.520 My first reaction was relief.

01:03:20.200 And my second was horror and shame that we forced girls, young girls, to fight that fight

01:03:30.040 for us as a civilization, to be at the forefront of that fight until finally they won.

01:03:37.740 That we forced people like Riley Gaines, you know, girls, children in girls' locker rooms 0.98

01:03:43.880 to be the face of that fight.

01:03:45.900 Not you, Megan, because you always had their back.

01:03:48.540 But that a whole, you know, half the country was sort of like, no, actually, like, the trans 0.97

01:03:53.300 women are the women, right? 1.00

01:03:54.600 And I'm glad that it's won.

01:03:56.640 It seems to me kind of like the gay marriage fight.

01:03:58.940 It's won.

01:03:59.340 It's over.

01:03:59.940 You know, like, we don't, we won, right?

01:04:01.740 Like, the right side of those two issues won.

01:04:03.840 Like, the country is very pro-gay and, like, really not into this, you know, trans extremism.

01:04:09.160 But I do feel that this is going to be a kind of enduring stain that for so long, young

01:04:16.140 girls had to fight this fight by themselves. 1.00

01:04:19.240 I totally agree with every word.

01:04:21.280 It's been so upsetting.

01:04:23.440 The IOC definitely floating a trial balloon, at least this week, suggesting it's going to

01:04:27.760 restore sanity.

01:04:29.220 It's not official yet, but it looks good that they're going to stop this as opposed to leaving

01:04:33.500 it up to individual sports, like boxing, which did such a good job of protecting actual women 1.00

01:04:39.000 at the last Olympics.

01:04:40.700 But you're right.

01:04:41.560 Think of all the carnage left in the wake.

01:04:43.760 And I think it's very interesting that that Tish, as she was standing up there, was wearing

01:04:47.260 an XXXY sweatshirt.

01:04:49.360 That's Jennifer Say's brand, S-E-Y, Jennifer Say, former chief, one of the top chief executives

01:04:54.680 at Levi's, who got pushed out because she stood up against the COVID insanity and objected

01:04:59.240 in this same district, I think she was in San Francisco, to the lockdowns that affected

01:05:03.040 children, saying this is very damaging for children and children are not the problem.

01:05:07.080 We should not be locking schools down and keeping the kids out of school.

01:05:10.060 And for that, she lost her whole career.

01:05:12.240 She was a lifelong, very successful, very storied gymnast who participated in the Olympics

01:05:17.940 and all sorts of World Cup games or World Games.

01:05:21.020 And she's made this her mission to try to protect young girls, too.

01:05:23.840 And I love seeing her in Tish, in Jennifer's sweatshirt, standing up there saying, what's real?

01:05:30.660 What's real is there is only XX and XY. 0.97

01:05:34.000 There is no such thing as making an XY and XX. 0.97

01:05:37.140 And everyone knows it.

01:05:39.120 Scott Wiener, I have to look into it because I just heard that he was running.

01:05:42.560 He's been a California state representative for a long time.

01:05:45.340 There's no way a Republican can win in that district.

01:05:47.560 But there's got to be a more reasonable Democrat. 0.96

01:05:49.540 There's got to be an LGB who's going to look out for the LGBs and reject the TQ insanity. 0.84

01:05:54.660 And I might, for the first time in my life, actually make a big donation to such a person,

01:05:58.020 if they exist, who's going to fight Scott Wiener.

01:06:00.160 I'll donate to a Democrat because that seat's going to a Democrat.

01:06:04.520 Anybody who will defeat Scott Wiener.

01:06:06.400 I'm telling you, this is the number one most dangerous lawmaker when it comes to this issue.

01:06:11.040 The number one.

01:06:12.140 We've been following him for years.

01:06:13.680 We can do no worse than Scott Wiener.

01:06:17.400 He must be defeated at the ballot box.

01:06:20.040 He must be.

01:06:21.440 Here's Kerry and Britt. 0.64

01:06:22.600 Kerry and Britt, Kerry Prejean and Britt Mayer, who helped open my eyes on the trans issue.

01:06:27.440 They were much more radicalized on it than I was when I first launched this show.

01:06:31.900 And they helped me, among many other women who helped me, who helped open my eyes so profoundly.

01:06:37.080 There's a long list of women to whom I'm very grateful.

01:06:39.200 And they were two of the first.

01:06:41.580 And they have been, they live in California.

01:06:43.800 They've been following this guy around.

01:06:45.520 Normally, I'm not a big fan of like, I've got you on my videotape in your private time and I'm going to harass you.

01:06:50.400 But I'm sorry, this guy is downright dangerous to our children.

01:06:53.140 He's downright dangerous given these policies.

01:06:54.900 And this is, we pulled it up just for old time's sake.

01:06:59.820 This was back in 2023 in SOT 14B.

01:07:24.900 And we're doing an investigation right now on the origins with the Kinsey Institute.

01:07:31.740 Like, what have you still been from?

01:07:34.720 The Kinsey Institute in Indiana?

01:07:38.140 You're not familiar with it?

01:07:39.740 Like, the whole trans movement and all that?

01:07:41.900 Based on pedophilia and child abuse?

01:07:45.540 Are you not familiar with it?

01:07:47.260 You need to understand what you're supporting.

01:07:50.060 The reason why so many of your bills that you propose are based out of the theories that were popularized by Alfred Kuehler.

01:08:01.880 Do you have a statement?

01:08:04.620 Or do you just ignore constituents?

01:08:06.580 Okay, I know that was hard to hear.

01:08:09.780 I had the advantage of being able to turn up the volume in my ear.

01:08:12.340 But I urge you to go back and listen to it and turn up the volume.

01:08:14.460 Because it's these two undercover next to him in a club trying to get up in his face about his agenda.

01:08:20.780 They opened it by making him think that they were fans.

01:08:23.060 He started listening and then they dropped, you know, the truth bombs on him about his latest proposed legislation about transing children and what it would do. 0.63

01:08:31.820 And then asked him about the Kinsey Institute and started to go back into the history of those who started pushing the whole trans movement on us to begin with. 0.95

01:08:40.200 Which includes some very sick, sick people. 0.99

01:08:43.640 He was a coward like all the people pushing this stuff are. 0.99

01:08:47.120 He ran away and now he's running so far away that he's running for office at a higher level, Baccia. 0.95

01:08:53.800 And I'm sorry, like, I don't want anything bad to happen to Scott Wiener, to be clear.

01:08:57.100 But I want this guy to get defeated at the ballot box.

01:09:00.680 This cannot be a San Francisco.

01:09:02.720 San Franciscans, you're famous for gay and lesbian rights. 0.99

01:09:07.620 He wants to take your gay little boys and make them girls. 1.00

01:09:11.420 Because he and others like him seem to think there's something fundamentally wrong with homosexuality. 0.99

01:09:17.240 That cannot be your representative.

01:09:19.260 It cannot.

01:09:20.040 It has to stop.

01:09:21.220 You have to defeat him.

01:09:22.680 And by the way, to fill Nancy Pelosi's shoes, like, she was, say what you will about Pelosi.

01:09:28.420 She's definitely pro-LGB rights. 0.86

01:09:31.240 And, like, this is just insane.

01:09:33.320 So I applaud Tish for showing up in the lion's den and having her say.

01:09:38.300 The whole thing is deeply disturbing, Baccia, deeply. 1.00

01:09:41.520 All right, let me move on, though.

01:09:43.280 You mentioned in the first hour, at the top of the show, people who are still so clueless about the news that they think Trump actually said there are very fine people on both sides about white supremacists at the Charlottesville, whatever it was.

01:09:56.500 Unite the white. 0.89

01:09:57.240 Unite.

01:09:57.500 I don't remember what it was called.

01:09:58.280 Unite the right.

01:09:59.020 Unite the white right. 0.82

01:09:59.880 Whatever it was.

01:10:00.380 Rally.

01:10:02.160 It's a lie.

01:10:03.040 He didn't say that.

01:10:03.900 He was talking about people who don't like to see the statues torn down.

01:10:07.360 And it's been dubbed a lie, even by Snopes, the left-wing so-called fact-checker.

01:10:12.200 But still, they push it.

01:10:13.800 Obama pushed it at the Democratic National Convention.

01:10:17.320 He pushed it.

01:10:18.360 Like, it's a lie that's been peddled by many.

01:10:20.660 And the left loves this lie. 0.85

01:10:22.240 So they choose to believe it or they are just too ignorant of the truth to not believe it, whatever.

01:10:27.020 Enter Abby Phillips, who comments not on this, but on this information vacuum she perceives as existing only on the right.

01:10:36.160 It's the right that has siloed news, whereas the left and everybody else actually understands what's going on in the world.

01:10:43.000 Now, this is somebody who hosts a show on CNN that has absolutely no ratings.

01:10:46.620 You and I and our moms just got more ratings watching this show and doing this show than she has on her CNN show.

01:10:51.940 But it gets clipped and circulated on X.

01:10:55.280 I won't make you say anything negative about it because I know you do her the favor of going on there, but she doesn't deserve you.

01:11:01.460 So she decides to go over to Joy Reid's new show.

01:11:05.040 I guess she's got a show now on some sort of podcast.

01:11:07.820 Good luck with that.

01:11:08.720 And has this description of her own job in that CNN chair. 0.99

01:11:13.320 Take a listen to SOT17.

01:11:16.480 Conservatives are living in a completely different information world than liberals.

01:11:20.500 And breaking that down needs to be done.

01:11:25.620 Because when you don't ever even hear the facts, it's hard to even know that you're wrong.

01:11:32.220 Oh, you're so good to us.

01:11:33.500 And that happens a lot.

01:11:34.380 I mean, half my job sometimes is knowing what the latest conspiracy is.

01:11:39.920 Yeah.

01:11:40.340 So that if it comes up, I'm ready to address it.

01:11:43.460 Because it happens a lot where people don't even know that what they're saying or what they've seen and believe is not true.

01:11:51.480 And so that happens a lot.

01:11:54.580 And I don't come away from that saying, what's the point of this?

01:11:59.380 People are just saying false things.

01:12:00.860 Because I think that one time that that person brings up something that is debunked and false and I debunk it at the table might be the very first time that someone out there has heard an alternative point of view.

01:12:13.500 OK.

01:12:14.380 I just just play SOT20.

01:12:16.540 OK, just play SOT20.

01:12:17.620 Here we go.

01:12:18.020 How do we jump to the conclusion that Joe Biden didn't know who he pardoned?

01:12:25.300 Because when I wrote a book about how out of it that he was.

01:12:29.000 OK, everybody here acknowledges that there have been thousands upon thousands of people, ordinary people who have taken to social media to celebrate this.

01:12:38.460 Yes or no.

01:12:38.880 I don't know about that idea that this was a weaponized celebration.

01:12:43.600 These were all these different prosecutions and all these different jurisdictions were not all directed from one place.

01:12:49.080 There's absolutely no evidence of that.

01:12:50.600 I've never seen it.

01:12:51.560 And I've never heard anybody actually.

01:12:53.320 The Obama and Biden administrations didn't politicize the DOJ.

01:12:56.320 OK, who?

01:12:57.160 I will just tell you.

01:12:58.480 I'm so excited to see the proof of Joe Biden enriching himself.

01:13:01.880 OK, so those are just a number of examples she has totally wrong.

01:13:05.020 She's seen no proof that Joe Biden directed any of the weaponization against Trump.

01:13:08.720 Why don't you go to April 2022 and The New York Times, in which they published his very public demand that Merrick Garland indict Trump, that he wanted him prosecuted?

01:13:17.360 How did that wind up in The New York Times? 0.54

01:13:18.820 Oh, gee, I'm left to wonder, could it possibly have been that Joe Biden wanted it in The New York fucking Times because his private behind the scenes pressure to Merrick Garland was not doing the trick? 0.93

01:13:27.680 Yes, that's exactly what happened. 0.90

01:13:29.400 She, I guess, missed that, even though her colleague Anderson Cooper reported on it at length.

01:13:33.820 She also reported that the videos of Joe Biden falling down were deep fakes.

01:13:38.060 She fell for that, saying they don't show the full context.

01:13:41.400 Right, because if anything, they were too kind to Joe Biden and didn't show him actually dribbling into his pudding.

01:13:46.960 But you ran cover for him, Abby Phillip.

01:13:49.020 And then she has the nerve to go say this stuff about debunking conspiracy theories. 0.99

01:13:54.700 That's her job. 0.97

01:13:55.600 To Joy Reid.

01:13:57.560 Joy Reid.

01:13:58.540 Listen to Joy Reid in SOT 18 after Donald Trump was shot in the head.

01:14:03.800 We still don't know for sure whether Donald Trump was hit by a bullet.

01:14:11.760 We knew almost nothing.

01:14:13.920 Why?

01:14:14.760 Well, that second part is true.

01:14:16.500 That second part is true.

01:14:18.280 She knows nothing.

01:14:19.260 She knows absolutely nothing. 1.00

01:14:20.900 I'm sorry, but I can't take this bullshit. 0.99

01:14:23.620 Abby Phillip actually spins herself as the one who sets situations straight, sets lies straight, puts the truth to the lie. 0.99

01:14:31.400 That in itself is a lie.

01:14:32.920 Her record is long.

01:14:33.980 It speaks for itself.

01:14:35.220 I guess I am going to put you in the awkward position of having to comment on it.

01:14:38.700 Well, I am very grateful to her for having me on.

01:14:40.800 I think all the people who are kind of on the MAGA side who go on the show feel exactly what Abby was saying she feels, which is a great responsibility to inform the CNN audience of all of the things they think are true that are not true.

01:14:53.260 I can't think of a single thing I could point to right now where I could say like, oh, here is like, you know, a big debunked lie that the right has subscribed to whole hog.

01:15:02.700 There's a lot of debate happening, as you know, Megan, on the right about all of the big issues.

01:15:07.920 There's no real like consensus about anything in this moment, which I think is great.

01:15:11.940 Like there's a big, healthy debate happening around all the issues.

01:15:15.460 When she's saying she needs to debunk, what she means is she's not talking about facts.

01:15:19.300 She's talking about opinions that she thinks, you know, are not legitimate.

01:15:22.880 And I can tell you, as somebody who does that show, the interruptions are wildly, wildly disproportionate if you're on the right than if you're on the left.

01:15:33.780 It's challenging.

01:15:34.620 The challenge is how to make you each time you go.

01:15:36.480 You're like, OK, I got to make my point even faster and faster so I can get something out before I get interrupted.

01:15:42.000 But, you know, again, look, at least they have conservatives on the show.

01:15:45.660 Right. Even though the, you know, Abby's obviously like on one side of the issue, like they are exposing the audience to, you know, Scott Jennings, I think, is one of the most brilliant conservative voices out there.

01:15:56.140 And he really makes that show.

01:15:57.740 So he's out there.

01:15:58.980 There are people listening.

01:16:00.420 I'm 100 percent certain that there are CNN viewers who voted for Trump because of Scott Jennings.

01:16:06.020 So overall, I think, you know, the clips do go viral on both sides.

01:16:10.100 Oh, here's another interesting thing. 0.99

01:16:11.500 I will often notice that the same clip that I'm sharing from that show, like, oh, here, I made this point really well, exactly the way that I wanted to, is the same clip that all the leftist people who clip it are sharing to show, like, look how stupid this person is.

01:16:27.600 That, I think, is really interesting because that people say we're in different media bubbles, but it's actually not true. 0.97

01:16:34.280 What we are is looking at the same clip and to the left, this is like the worst thing they've ever heard.

01:16:39.580 And to the right, it's like, finally, somebody represented exactly how we feel about this in a way that jives with how I feel about it.

01:16:47.020 And I think that that is actually very healthy because we are in that moment looking at least at the same piece of information. 0.96

01:16:53.080 I appreciate that, but Abby Phillip is a liar. 1.00

01:16:57.980 What she did in that clip with Jerry Reed is lie from start to finish to paint herself as something better than what she is. 1.00

01:17:06.100 She's a self-aggrandizer, but she is just as biased and full of bullshit as the rest of them over at CNN and MSNBC. 1.00

01:17:13.540 And that's why her show is failing. 1.00

01:17:15.840 Getting a couple of viral clips is not that helpful to CNN.

01:17:19.120 They need actual ratings.

01:17:20.640 She's not the answer.

01:17:21.500 She can't get them because she's not only utterly biased, she's entirely boring. 1.00

01:17:26.980 She's an utter bore. 1.00

01:17:28.140 She cannot anchor a show.

01:17:29.500 That's why she has to have 10 people on a panel because they quickly realized she was too boring to actually drive the news. 1.00

01:17:35.160 I'm sorry, Abby, if no one's told you that, but that's why they gave 10 people on your panel because they realized as soon as you took the seat, you were too boring to solo.

01:17:42.660 That's the truth.

01:17:43.400 I'm going to tell it to you.

01:17:44.180 I was in cable news for a really long time.

01:17:46.080 I know of what I speak.

01:17:47.380 Sorry about you, but that's my take.

01:17:49.200 But you were nice.

01:17:50.460 So she can she can remember that the next time she wants to book you, even though you'd be much better never going on that show again.

01:17:57.360 OK, I have to get to this.

01:17:58.440 Speaking of lunatic Democrats, there's a debate happening right now on the right.

01:18:04.280 I'm going to bring going to get to the Democrats in a second about whether we should eliminate the filibuster in the Senate.

01:18:09.120 Trump really wants the Republicans to do it.

01:18:10.980 John Thune, Senate majority leader, is saying we do not have the votes for that.

01:18:14.220 And it would be a massive watershed moment in American politics.

01:18:18.760 We've had the filibuster since the 1800s.

01:18:21.440 It didn't come about really in earnest until the early 1900s.

01:18:24.900 But we've had it for over 100 years as a very important tool for minority rights in the Senate, which is the body where you really are supposed to deliberate.

01:18:31.960 Things are supposed to go slower.

01:18:33.340 They're not supposed to be, you know, snapjack right in response to the constituents desires.

01:18:38.480 That's the House where you have to face the constituents for reelection every two years.

01:18:43.120 That's how the founders designed it.

01:18:45.260 So taking away minority rights and making it easier to pass legislation would not be totally consistent with how the founders envisioned it.

01:18:51.900 Trump's argument is nothing gets passed now.

01:18:54.620 We've gotten so obstinate and obstructionist that nothing can get passed, even with a 53-person majority in the Senate.

01:19:02.960 So drastic change is warranted.

01:19:05.520 And with all due respect, this wasn't in the founding setup of the union.

01:19:10.360 It's not in the Constitution.

01:19:11.740 And it can be done away with just as easily as it was brought into existence.

01:19:15.260 And the Republicans should do it or the Dems will do it when they get in control.

01:19:18.500 And we won't have passed any of our legislation.

01:19:20.260 Then they'll pass all of theirs. 0.60

01:19:21.560 So I understand it's actually a very interesting argument.

01:19:23.980 And we'll see.

01:19:24.840 But right now they say there's not the votes.

01:19:26.820 Enter James Carville, who said all the quiet parts out loud.

01:19:30.960 And I don't think this is particularly helpful to Democrats.

01:19:34.180 But it may also give the Republicans a bit of pause before they do this.

01:19:39.940 You tell me how you see it.

01:19:41.240 Here's SOT 32.

01:19:43.840 I'm going to tell you what's going to happen.

01:19:46.200 A Democrat is going to be elected in 2028.

01:19:48.820 You know that.

01:19:49.680 I know that.

01:19:51.020 It's going to be a Democratic House.

01:19:52.480 It's going to be a Democratic Senate. 0.94

01:19:53.360 The Democratic president is going to announce a special transition advisory committee on the reform of the Supreme Court.

01:20:06.120 And they're going to recommend that the number of Supreme Court justices go from 9 to 13.

01:20:11.640 That's going to happen, people.

01:20:13.500 That's going to happen to you.

01:20:15.400 They're going to win.

01:20:16.640 They're going to do some blue ribbon panel of distinguished jurists.

01:20:22.980 And they are going to recommend 13 and a Democratic Senate in-house.

01:20:29.000 They're going to pass it.

01:20:30.320 And the Democratic president is going to sign it because they have to do an intervention so we can have a Supreme Court that the American people trust again.

01:20:39.140 So just keep that in the bag of your mind.

01:20:41.960 And I would bet a lot of money that that's what's going to happen.

01:20:47.400 A lot.

01:20:50.260 Thoughts?

01:20:52.800 Yeah.

01:20:53.380 I mean, don't get rid of the filibuster.

01:20:55.600 I had Senator Tim Sheehy on my show, and I asked him if he supports it.

01:20:59.420 He said he didn't.

01:21:00.200 I mean, like you said, Megan, it's an extremely important check on the power.

01:21:07.200 And also, it gives more gravitas to the Senate, as you pointed out, and it protects minority rights.

01:21:13.940 And what I hate to see is the right turning into the left.

01:21:19.720 So the left under Obama just got drunk on power.

01:21:23.660 They had political power and they had the cultural power.

01:21:26.220 And they convinced themselves that they were never going to have to compete again.

01:21:29.200 And as a result, they indulged their worst tendencies and called everybody on the other side a Nazi and became extremely far left and radical because they thought that all of the fights for power were over.

01:21:42.820 And obviously, Trump first stole the political power from them.

01:21:46.200 And now it's pretty clear he's stolen the cultural power from them.

01:21:49.440 You know, the right is now the cool side.

01:21:51.540 And the left is like lame and cringe and old and whatever.

01:21:54.040 First time ever.

01:21:54.580 Yeah, first time ever.

01:21:56.640 And I just hate to see the right making the same mistakes, allowing the most radical fringe online element to act as a stand-in for what young people want or becoming drunk on the idea of their success and thinking the Democrats will never be competitive again.

01:22:16.340 They will be.

01:22:17.660 That's how this country works.

01:22:19.740 That's how the founders intended it to work.

01:22:21.500 And so you do have to, you know, I saw Vice President Vance saying we should never not do something because the Democrats are going to do it.

01:22:27.600 They're going to do it anyway.

01:22:28.960 You do have to keep your side of the aisle clean.

01:22:32.040 I do believe that the reason President Trump won was because he had the moral high ground.

01:22:38.140 He grabbed that moderate, good-hearted center where most Americans live.

01:22:45.080 That is the sweet spot.

01:22:47.660 You know, I feel a little bit like the Lorax right now.

01:22:49.700 You know, like, I come to you as a swing voter who loves Donald Trump and loves MAGA.

01:22:55.980 You know, like, this is where elections are won, in that sweet spot in the middle.

01:23:01.640 And so I think it's really important not to look at the mistakes the left made and be like, the mistake wasn't just the trans issue.

01:23:09.700 It's that they allowed the fringe to define the entire party.

01:23:14.300 And I think we have to really keep that in mind.

01:23:16.520 If you want to stay competitive and you want power.

01:23:19.060 I think it was Rich Lowry who said the other night, the left is the one that is constantly swinging for large pieces of federal legislation to take over control of our lives.

01:23:32.180 That's not the rights thing.

01:23:33.800 The right generally wants states to be in control of lawmaking.

01:23:37.480 And they want it to be as little and as non-intrusive as possible.

01:23:41.700 So if we give this power to the Senate by eliminating minority rights, we are the ones who are going to suffer way, way more than the Democrats.

01:23:49.860 And I was also making the point, Ben Shapiro spoke to this too, and Rich too, but like that President Trump, he hasn't even submitted like a bunch of huge bills that he can't get votes on.

01:24:00.240 There's been a couple, like keeping men out of women's sports. 1.00

01:24:02.720 That's one.

01:24:03.600 But there haven't been like a ton that haven't been able to get through because of the Democrats' obstructionism.

01:24:07.660 There's been some. 0.99

01:24:08.940 But like, it's not like my whole agenda has been stymied because of the damn filibuster. 0.99

01:24:13.740 But the Democrats would go in there. 0.98

01:24:15.860 And good God, I mean, like James Carville's saying, before we know it, they're going to be pushing for court changes.

01:24:23.400 They're going to be pushing for state, number of states changes.

01:24:26.280 And this is assuming they have control of all three branches, which they will again someday.

01:24:30.100 Don't kid yourself.

01:24:31.620 This is the glory days right now for MAGA, but it's not going to last.

01:24:34.780 It just never does.

01:24:36.200 It never does.

01:24:37.240 And honestly, it could last no longer than 2027, the way things are going.

01:24:41.640 If we get an election in 2028 that looks anything like last two Tuesdays ago.

01:24:46.100 So in any event, I'm against it.

01:24:48.580 I think right now I feel against it very much so.

01:24:51.180 And I haven't heard anything that is so tempting to me that I would change that position.

01:24:54.960 So anyway, you heard it right from Carville.

01:24:57.320 That's what they'll do when they get power.

01:24:59.680 And, you know, I understand the argument is they'll do that whether we do it or not.

01:25:02.940 But why would we make it easier for them? 0.99

01:25:04.760 Why would we take away at least the PR battle that's on our side where we run around telling the voters these guys are fucking radical. 0.98

01:25:10.540 Look what they just did.

01:25:11.800 All these things without the filibuster, without protecting minority rights.

01:25:15.140 The country's against it.

01:25:15.980 You can make that argument if you stay honorable.

01:25:18.640 But if you get down into the gutter before them, all bets are off.

01:25:22.000 All right, Bacha, it's wonderful seeing you.

01:25:23.840 When can they see the Bacha show?

01:25:26.160 It airs on Saturdays at 4 p.m. and 11 p.m. on News Nation.

01:25:30.060 And then we put clips on YouTube and the whole show goes on YouTube Sunday night or Monday morning.

01:25:35.360 Awesome.

01:25:35.900 I love it.

01:25:36.700 I expect a five-night-per-week expansion soon.

01:25:40.780 Great to see you.

01:25:42.140 Thank you, Megan.

01:25:43.100 God bless you.

01:25:43.760 Thank you so much.

01:25:45.020 You too, my friend.

01:25:46.220 All right, coming up, a fun segment with someone who's had an incredible career and is a dear friend of yours truly as well.

01:25:53.560 I'll explain.

01:25:54.040 If you've ever Googled yourself, you know how many results contain your personal info.

01:25:59.420 It's a horror show.

01:26:00.580 And it's also not by chance.

01:26:01.720 Your info is available, name, address, phone number, financial info, your income, legal and health history.

01:26:08.300 It can all be on there.

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01:30:02.000 Next, we're joined by an extremely talented photographer and personal friend of yours truly, Barry Morgenstein.

01:30:14.760 Barry is a famed portrait photographer.

01:30:16.900 His portfolio of work showcases some of the world's biggest stars from Michael Jackson to Whitney Houston, Donald Trump, and more.

01:30:25.300 He's out with a new book.

01:30:27.600 It's called Rock and Soul Portraits by Barry Morgenstein.

01:30:32.100 In it, he shares his not-so-traditional training in photography and how he was front row, capturing major moments of music history and his most incredible work.

01:30:42.140 Barry, welcome to the show.

01:30:43.960 Hey, thank you so much for having me.

01:30:45.800 It's really an honor.

01:30:46.340 My pleasure.

01:30:47.580 I want everybody to know that in addition to Barry's amazing portraits of all these super famous people,

01:30:52.240 he's done my headshots since I was a young cub reporter at Fox News.

01:30:57.660 And if you're ever going through New York and you need headshots, look up Barry Morgenstein because nobody does it better.

01:31:03.960 Ladies, I'm telling you, I don't know how he does it.

01:31:06.400 It's not retouching.

01:31:07.220 He uses this magic disc underneath you, his magic gold disc, and you lose 15 years off of your face.

01:31:12.920 It's wonderful.

01:31:13.880 You're very talented, Barry.

01:31:14.960 It's wonderful.

01:31:15.360 Thank you.

01:31:15.960 Knowing you.

01:31:16.340 That means a lot.

01:31:16.940 I appreciate it.

01:31:18.360 Sure.

01:31:18.500 Yeah.

01:31:18.680 My pleasure.

01:31:19.240 You come out with this book and it's, so first of all, I wanted to say it's absolutely beautiful and it's cool looking.

01:31:25.000 It's like, I'm holding it up now for the audience to see rock and soul.

01:31:28.060 It's got some of the greats on the front and it's got pictures of the best and biggest names in music throughout large, beautiful, glossy photographs.

01:31:36.320 Listen, if he can make me look good, you can imagine what he can do for like amazing people like Debbie Harry.

01:31:43.020 So there isn't a name that's not in here in the music industry.

01:31:46.160 So I guess I need to start with like, which is, which, which are the ones that are most memorable to you?

01:31:51.980 Because it's like Bono, Dylan, you know, the Rolling Stones, they're all in here.

01:31:58.640 Yeah.

01:31:59.960 It's hard to pick, but I would say McCartney is one.

01:32:02.240 Growing up a big Beatles fan, that's how I got into music in the first place.

01:32:05.240 So McCartney and seeing him backstage at Madison Square Garden was pretty exciting.

01:32:11.260 Yeah.

01:32:11.600 I was kind of like a, he came walking in the room and after idolized him for many years, all I could do is look him in the face and just kind of say, holy blank.

01:32:20.140 That's all I can muster up.

01:32:21.320 I was like kind of a, so pretty starstruck.

01:32:23.460 So it was pretty cool.

01:32:24.380 Well, it's like our friend James Rosen of Fox News, who told me when we were young at Fox together that he, he weeped, he was, he wept at a Beatles concert, like uncontrollably.

01:32:35.080 And I told him, James, never repeat that story publicly or you'll never get laid again.

01:32:39.920 I think he told me the same story.

01:32:41.440 But yeah.

01:32:41.880 Yeah.

01:32:42.460 So who else?

01:32:43.660 Talk to us about some of your most memorable encounters with these guys.

01:32:47.340 Yeah, I've had some great, some funny stories.

01:32:49.840 Elton John stands out.

01:32:50.940 I was Elton's official photographer for two Madison Square Garden concerts in New York City, as we all know, Madison Square Garden.

01:32:59.180 I was his official photographer.

01:33:01.040 No other photographers in the photo pit.

01:33:03.200 It was just me.

01:33:04.160 I was hired by his management company.

01:33:07.000 I had grown up going to Madison Square Garden and seeing concerts there.

01:33:09.720 So it was kind of surreal.

01:33:11.440 Funny story in the book.

01:33:12.920 If you have time, I can tell you that.

01:33:15.220 Basically, I'm standing all the way at the other end of the stage, the left part of the stage.

01:33:20.000 Elton comes to the edge of his stage.

01:33:22.860 A fan comes leaning in to hand him a big bouquet of balloons.

01:33:26.700 He can't quite reach them.

01:33:28.300 So he looks down at me and kind of gives me the nod like, buddy, give me a hand here.

01:33:32.600 I can't reach these. 0.99

01:33:33.900 And another stupid move on my part. 1.00

01:33:36.140 Starstruck. 1.00

01:33:36.660 I just stand there dumbfounded like I'm in Madison Square Garden.

01:33:39.860 Elton John's talking to me.

01:33:41.140 And I'm standing there.

01:33:41.940 And he's kind of giving me the exaggerated head nudge like, get over here, buddy.

01:33:45.760 And I snap out of it, run over, hand the balloons to Elton John.

01:33:48.740 And I wish somebody had a photo of that to this day.

01:33:51.060 But it was a pretty cool story.

01:33:52.280 Yeah.

01:33:52.660 Now, how did you wind up in Tina Turner's limousine?

01:33:56.920 I was hired by Capitol Records, I think, at the time.

01:34:00.200 And I was just following her around.

01:34:01.980 She was doing radio interviews.

01:34:03.260 And I was covering it, taking pictures of her with the executives.

01:34:07.180 And another funny story. 1.00

01:34:08.140 These are my three favorite me acting like an idiot. 1.00

01:34:11.120 Starstruck story. 1.00

01:34:12.380 So I'm across from her in the limousine.

01:34:15.540 She's sitting next to her manager.

01:34:16.820 Her manager had to get off somewhere at a stop.

01:34:19.560 He gets out of the car.

01:34:21.880 Tina Turner looks at me, pats her seat next to her and says, come sit next to me, baby. 1.00

01:34:26.380 Come sit next to me.

01:34:27.380 And again, what do I do?

01:34:28.740 I freeze.

01:34:29.960 I'm like, this is the beginning of my career.

01:34:33.480 You know, so I grew up.

01:34:36.060 I watched Tina Turner on Give Me Shelter, the film with Mick Jagger.

01:34:40.680 You know, it's Tina Turner. 1.00

01:34:42.060 It's the famous legs right in front of me.

01:34:44.100 You know, right?

01:34:44.600 So I kind of, again, I said, what do I do?

01:34:47.340 I snap out of it.

01:34:47.880 I said, okay.

01:34:48.220 And I sit next to her.

01:34:49.720 That's funny.

01:34:50.280 Luckily, I got a little cooler as time went along.

01:34:53.420 There's a great story in the book about going to shoot Mick Jagger, I think it was.

01:34:58.440 You were going to shoot Mick Jagger.

01:35:01.180 And I don't, or maybe it was, no, it was Tommy Lee.

01:35:03.900 It was Tommy Lee.

01:35:05.480 And let's just say he was classic Tommy Lee.

01:35:08.440 Can you give us a window into that encounter?

01:35:10.860 Yeah.

01:35:11.140 So I had to shoot Tommy Lee and Vince Neil, the singer of Motley Crue, it was nine o'clock

01:35:14.800 in the morning up at Electro Records Studios.

01:35:17.260 Just had to snap some shots while they were being interviewed.

01:35:20.100 Tommy Lee is sitting there with a big bottle of Jack Daniels.

01:35:23.220 And nine o'clock in the morning, it offers me, hey, you want some Jack Daniels?

01:35:27.700 I'm like, no, I'm good.

01:35:28.940 It was a little early for me.

01:35:30.280 The time of Jack Daniels was my drink, but not nine o'clock in the morning.

01:35:33.700 So when he looks at me like I'm crazy, I guess, what's wrong with this guy?

01:35:37.320 He doesn't want Jack Daniels.

01:35:38.560 So, yeah.

01:35:39.780 That's good.

01:35:40.260 He was a good host.

01:35:41.680 Yeah, he was.

01:35:42.520 He was.

01:35:43.560 It was not a clock at night.

01:35:44.600 It actually, but to be honest, it actually does kind of reflect well on him because so

01:35:49.420 many of these guys would pay absolutely no attention to the photog and they might treat

01:35:54.440 you like you were a peon, you were a nothing.

01:35:56.860 And the fact that he offered you some hospitality and thought like you might enjoy some Jack 0.96

01:36:00.720 Daniels, it does speak well of him.

01:36:02.940 Exactly.

01:36:03.420 Exactly.

01:36:03.800 You know, I've been lucky.

01:36:04.660 Most of the people I met over my career have been just really cool, laid back and nice

01:36:08.920 people.

01:36:09.220 Even the superstores like McCarty, Ellen, John, just nice people.

01:36:12.480 It was just really great to see. 0.98

01:36:14.340 Has there been anyone who's a jerk and you remember? 0.99

01:36:19.180 Yes. 0.99

01:36:19.560 And I remember, but should I say his name?

01:36:21.320 He's in the book.

01:36:22.000 Yes.

01:36:22.920 Yes.

01:36:23.280 I wasn't, I mean, I feel bad because we just lost him.

01:36:26.220 I mean, Ace Frehley wasn't so nice.

01:36:28.720 Ace Frehley kissed.

01:36:29.600 He was kind, yeah, I shouldn't say it, but he was not so friendly.

01:36:32.900 And he was quite, and the thing that got me was he was questioning my lighting, which

01:36:36.460 you don't do.

01:36:38.000 So he's questioning my light.

01:36:39.480 Yeah, right.

01:36:40.260 Honestly, you put yourself in Barry's good hands and then you just smile or do what he

01:36:43.540 tells you.

01:36:43.960 Like he's got exactly the angles.

01:36:46.340 He will make you look great no matter who you are.

01:36:47.880 And with these guys are so cool.

01:36:49.300 One of my favorite pictures in the book is between, it's, it's of Bon Jovi and it's them

01:36:56.020 at the Byrne Arena in New Jersey.

01:36:57.980 It says, let's see.

01:36:59.880 Yeah.

01:37:00.460 New York City or the Brendan Byrne Arena in New Jersey.

01:37:03.900 There it's full hairband rocker Bon Jovi.

01:37:08.780 And then on the next page is Bon Jovi with Dee Snider.

01:37:12.220 And I don't even love John Bon Jovi anymore because he's gotten political and he's annoying,

01:37:15.520 but I still have a fond.

01:37:16.500 And yeah, I still have a soft spot in my heart for that version of Bon Jovi, which

01:37:21.700 was just classic 80s hairband.

01:37:25.820 Right.

01:37:26.620 Well, funny story with that is I'm not a big Bon Jovi fan, just musically.

01:37:31.060 And I'm not a big 80s hairband.

01:37:32.860 I'm a classic rock guy, blues guy.

01:37:35.280 So Bon Jovi almost didn't make it into my book.

01:37:38.300 My wife, Shelly said, you got to put Bon Jovi.

01:37:40.820 I'm like, oh, I don't like his music though.

01:37:42.600 He's like pop rock.

01:37:43.460 And she kept pushing me.

01:37:45.020 We had a dear friend, a close friend to Shelly, who passed away about a few years ago and

01:37:50.500 she was a big Bon Jovi fan.

01:37:51.640 So I said, you know what?

01:37:52.640 We're going to put it in for Melissa.

01:37:54.380 So he's in the book.

01:37:55.380 Yes.

01:37:56.020 I appreciate Melissa getting you to do that, even in the way she did it, because a lot of

01:38:00.840 us gals love that band. 1.00

01:38:02.260 I mean, I'm totally team Sambora, 100% team Sambora, who is one of the greatest songwriters

01:38:07.800 ever.

01:38:08.280 But when you pulled it together, how did you decide what was going to make the cut and

01:38:12.260 what wasn't?

01:38:12.780 Because I know you have endless streams of these.

01:38:16.920 Well, so back when I shot, I used to shoot slides, you know, before digital slides, black

01:38:21.900 and white, negative.

01:38:22.460 So I had thousands of images to go through.

01:38:25.240 I had to scan them.

01:38:25.960 It was thousands of dollars, days and weeks, well, actually, I should say months of work

01:38:31.020 just picking out.

01:38:32.140 I got an old light box.

01:38:33.520 I didn't have my light box anymore.

01:38:34.880 So I bought a new light box with my little loop, started picking through photos, and we

01:38:39.260 narrowed down.

01:38:39.800 I think it's 136 pages and might have to do a volume, too, because I left out some great

01:38:44.580 shots that I'm thinking of now that, oh, why didn't I put that in?

01:38:48.720 Ah.

01:38:49.440 Now, you and I, we met together for years doing headshots and so on, but we don't usually

01:38:54.340 talk politics when we're together.

01:38:55.560 However, I saw you at CPAC the last time I was there, so I have a pretty good idea of

01:39:01.700 what your politics are.

01:39:03.160 So I'm just wondering whether your politics have played any role in your efforts to promote

01:39:08.840 your book.

01:39:11.100 Oh, yes.

01:39:12.440 And same goes along with my headshot business, too.

01:39:16.640 I've been canceled.

01:39:18.160 I've been people who won't use me because when they find out that I'm a conservative,

01:39:22.380 pro-Trump guy, MAGA, whatever you want to call it, you know, yeah, I get canceled.

01:39:25.560 I had a best of New Jersey was going to interview me for my book and just a local New Jersey

01:39:32.780 website where I live.

01:39:34.440 Two hours before I'm supposed to drive to their studio, I get a call or an email, this

01:39:38.360 long email saying, you know, our staff has done a deep dive on you and we don't think

01:39:42.900 you'd be a good fit.

01:39:43.660 You're a little too controversial.

01:39:44.740 And, you know, I wrote back to the guy and I basically said, hey, I had no plans, no

01:39:49.620 intention of discussing politics.

01:39:50.960 I was coming to discuss my rock and roll book.

01:39:52.920 I said, I'm allowed to have my opinions.

01:39:54.840 And if you don't like the fact that I speak out pro-military, pro-veterans, anti-Hamas, 0.93

01:40:02.640 that bothers you, anti-men and women's, girls' bathrooms. 1.00

01:40:06.340 And if these things bother you, then I guess I don't belong in your show.

01:40:09.080 But yes, it does happen.

01:40:10.640 I get canceled.

01:40:11.200 It's amazing.

01:40:12.100 Cancel culture comes for us all eventually on the right.

01:40:15.540 And that's why we have to stick together.

01:40:16.860 Honestly, that's why, that's one of the many reasons why people need to write by Rock and

01:40:20.240 Soul by Barry Morgenstein holding up again.

01:40:22.440 It's a beautiful book.

01:40:24.040 I actually think this could do one of two things.

01:40:25.940 Well, one of many things, but I'm just going to name how I am going to use this.

01:40:29.860 This is going to be my gift for, and they listen to the show, so surprise, my girlfriends

01:40:36.080 always come for like a Christmas luncheon every year, and they're all getting a copy

01:40:39.680 of this.

01:40:40.460 So set several aside for me.

01:40:42.600 I also think this will be a great hostess gift.

01:40:45.240 It's right now, it's 69 bucks, but it's going for $59 today on Amazon.

01:40:49.560 So you can get $10 off, which is very reasonable price for this big, beautiful book.

01:40:54.080 And it's so user-friendly, it's effortless for people.

01:40:56.500 So it'd make a great coffee table book for Christmas, for Hanukkah, for any holiday that's

01:41:01.380 coming up that you want to celebrate.

01:41:02.580 Nobody ever gets each other like a nice, pretty book.

01:41:06.040 And it's always something that maybe your decorator would get for you.

01:41:08.740 But like people, if they get a book, they get somebody like a mystery or something, or

01:41:13.480 a biography.

01:41:14.540 This is a great sort of beautiful option for people that will bring people a lot of joy

01:41:19.380 because you're seeing all these great musicians who you grew up loving and listening to.

01:41:23.980 And it's something lovely for people to just thumb through while they're sitting on the

01:41:27.660 couch, having a convo or having a drink with their spouse.

01:41:32.660 Yes.

01:41:33.120 And actually, and if they want to sign a copy, then they go to my website too, which is

01:41:37.060 barrymorgenstein.com.

01:41:38.740 So you have the choice.

01:41:40.060 And morgenstein spelled with S-T-E-I-N.com.

01:41:43.620 So we want to support Barry for a number of reasons, please, because I need him to stay

01:41:47.080 in business for me personally, but also because it's a beautiful book.

01:41:51.880 And like, it's really rare to find a fair and balanced photographer who doesn't recoil

01:41:58.320 when the entire Fox News staff walks through the door needing a headshot.

01:42:02.420 And you're to be credited for that.

01:42:03.980 And we should support you when you're coming out with something like this, especially because

01:42:08.000 you will not be booked on Morning Joe.

01:42:10.440 You will not be booked on Good Morning America.

01:42:12.040 You will not be booked on Good Morning America, even though this would be a great excuse for

01:42:14.620 them to run great pictures and great clips that they all know everybody would enjoy, but

01:42:18.480 they won't do it for reasons discussed.

01:42:20.720 All right.

01:42:20.900 So people go support Barry.

01:42:22.700 Rock and soul.

01:42:24.260 Great name.

01:42:25.140 It's back out now.

01:42:25.760 Can they just get it on Amazon too?

01:42:27.760 Amazon.

01:42:28.240 Yes.

01:42:28.680 That's without the autograph, but yes, on Amazon.

01:42:30.740 Okay.

01:42:30.960 Yeah.

01:42:31.120 But if you want the autograph, go to barrymorgenstein.com.

01:42:34.300 Thank you, my friend.

01:42:35.180 Good luck with it.

01:42:35.920 Thank you.

01:42:36.560 I really appreciate it.

01:42:37.440 Thank you.

01:42:37.980 Oh, the pleasure is mine.

01:42:38.980 It's great.

01:42:39.560 It's great.

01:42:39.900 I genuinely love it.

01:42:40.740 You're going to love it.

01:42:41.380 I'm not doing this just because Barry's a friend.

01:42:43.520 I really believe in the book and trust me, you'll love it too.

01:42:46.560 Back tomorrow with somebody else who you adore, Maureen Callahan in studio, full show.

01:42:54.480 See you then.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 12, 2025

Dems Try to Smear Trump with Epstein Emails, and Culture Shift Right, with Batya Ungar-Sargon and Barry Morgenstein ｜ Ep. 1192

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