The Megyn Kelly Show - Dennis Prager on the Leftward Drift in Schools, Secular Extremism, and American Exceptionalism

00:00:00.500 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.360 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today, Dennis Prager,

00:00:17.920 one of my all-time favorites. It's like listening in a way to the voice of God.

00:00:22.900 Not quite as authoritative, but so wise. Big picture, has studied everything from geography

00:00:31.460 to history to politics to religion. He's writing a tome on interpreting the Bible,

00:00:36.620 so not that far away from voice of God. And just a great perspective setter. I love Dennis Prager.

00:00:41.780 I love Prager U, their five-minute videos. If you just want to get up to speed on something that's

00:00:45.680 in the news quickly, especially cultural issues, invaluable. And really, the guy needs no introduction.

00:00:52.740 So, we'll get to Dennis in one second, and you'll thank me. But first, this.

00:01:02.520 Let's get right into it, and let's start with the patron saint of COVID, Dr. Fauci.

00:01:08.160 All over the news right now, his emails had been subject to a FOIA request by BuzzFeed,

00:01:14.520 and the Washington Post got some too. Some people are jumping up and down, saying he's a criminal.

00:01:18.820 Some people are saying, there's really no, they're there. I think they're mildly interesting.

00:01:23.540 I don't think there's exactly a smoking gun, but they certainly seem to show he knew that

00:01:28.880 Wuhan Lab was doing gain-of-function research, where you take the virus and you try to make it

00:01:34.040 more dangerous, at least back in 2014. And he seemed to be in a bit of a panic when emails got

00:01:43.240 circulated about it closer in time to the pandemic breaking. And there's a bunch of stuff in there

00:01:48.720 about him downplaying masks and saying they don't work, which is sort of what he said publicly as

00:01:54.200 well. But he really seemed to think that these paper masks were performance-based, which he denied.

00:01:59.880 All of these things he denied to Rand Paul in particular, that masks are performance-based,

00:02:03.960 that we never did gain-of-function research in that Wuhan lab with American money and so on,

00:02:07.940 seemed to be belied by his emails. And where does that leave us on the patron saint of COVID?

00:02:15.780 My preoccupation in this matter is the media. I am very rarely preoccupied with whether an individual

00:02:24.900 is honest, dishonest, nice, not nice, etc. The culprit in these matters is overwhelmingly the media.

00:02:35.820 That they dismissed oral talk of the Wuhan lab being the source and not some cockamamie bat or some animal

00:02:48.160 I never heard of prior to this, let alone ever ate. That is what is frightening. That so-called fact-checkers,

00:02:58.960 most of whom are liars, most of whom are liars, who care about facts like I care about the Ugandan

00:03:06.400 currency, that these people dismissed all talk of the Wuhan lab as the source of the virus,

00:03:15.840 as conspiratorial and unallowable on the internet, that they were taken down. This, to me,

00:03:24.120 is more frightening than whether Fauci is a fraud or an upright man. It's a much larger issue. If Dr. Fauci

00:03:33.480 retired tomorrow, everything would be the same. Everything. And the loss, the other issue is not only that,

00:03:44.280 again, the media have come to be Soviet-like. And I say this with unbelievable sadness.

00:03:50.600 This is a kid who, growing up in New York, reading the New York Times and the New York Herald Tribune,

00:03:56.200 even in elementary school, I loved papers. Loved them. I subscribed to the New York Times when I

00:04:03.080 came to California in 1976. And it used to come four days late, wrapped up in brown paper.

00:04:11.320 Uh, uh, uh, so it took a long time for me to have contempt for the New York Times and the Washington

00:04:18.440 Post and the LA Times and CNN and the whole gang. And the other is the loss of, of any believability

00:04:26.440 for the CDC and, and NIH. I just, uh, Megan, this, this is all new for me. And I feel actually, uh,

00:04:37.640 guilty of something I don't ever excuse adults of, and that is naivete. I believe there was integrity

00:04:45.080 at the CIA, at the FBI, at the Department of State, and at NIH and CDC. They're all corrupt.

00:04:54.200 They've been all poisoned by the great poisoner, leftism. And as I have said for many years of my

00:05:01.240 life, I've studied it since I was at Columbia, the left. I was at the Russian Institute at the

00:05:06.680 School of International Affairs. My field was communism. I read Pravda every day in Russian,

00:05:14.280 and I never thought that all of the lessons I learned there would ever be applied to America.

00:05:20.840 Everything the left touches, it destroys. And, uh, that is true for the medical community as well.

00:05:27.800 But explain why. What, what, what is why? Like, well, how is leftism,

00:05:32.920 and I, and we've talked about this before, it doesn't sweep up all liberals, but it's sort of

00:05:36.600 capital L and those who are pushing agendas as opposed to might lean, you know, more liberal on

00:05:41.960 certain social issues. But what, what is, how has it infected the NIH, Fauci's organization as well,

00:05:48.440 or the WHO? How? Well, first, I'm very glad that you raised it. I almost, uh, pablovianly

00:05:57.560 state whenever I talk about the left that I'm talking about the left, not liberals.

00:06:02.600 Liberalism has nothing in common with leftism. And the, the tragedy, capital T-H-E tragedy of our time

00:06:11.640 is that liberals think that their enemy is conservatives and not leftists. This is the

00:06:18.440 great tragedy. I have far more in common with a liberal. Liberals believe, and then I'll get back

00:06:25.240 to the NIH. Liberals believe that racial integration is a moral ideal. The left believes, like the Ku Klux

00:06:35.080 Klan in black dormitories and black graduation exercises. Why the, why liberals vote left,

00:06:44.280 it will all, will be seen by future historians as the issue that enabled America to perhaps

00:06:52.040 lose its freedom. So the, uh, this is a very important question. Why did the CDC and NIH become

00:07:00.360 corrupted or how the left did it? That, that is not fully answerable, but I will say,

00:07:06.360 I will offer you two thoughts. One is money. I did not know that, uh, pharmaceutical companies give

00:07:14.280 money to the CDC. So there's clearly a monetary issue here of some, of some significance in, uh,

00:07:25.080 determining their attitudes, whether it is toward ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine,

00:07:32.440 which in my opinion would have prevented hundreds of thousands of people from dying. I have been

00:07:38.440 taking both the entire time. I have been around infected people, unvaccinated, uh, all the entire

00:07:46.600 time. I, I have hugged strangers at rallies throughout the lockdown and I have not had a sniffle.

00:07:55.800 And I believe it is as my wife as well, as I, on ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and zinc and

00:08:01.800 vitamin D that the medical community did not advocate therapeutics, all of which have been

00:08:09.000 proven over a half century to be thoroughly safe and went with a vaccine that has not been proven to

00:08:15.960 be safe. I'm not saying the vaccine isn't, I'm simply saying the truth. It has not been proven to be.

00:08:21.880 It is corrupt. It is, it is a corruption on the level of, uh, uh, mass homicide. I can't believe

00:08:32.520 I'm saying any of this. Uh, I, I, I have been known my whole life as a, as a guy who speaks calmly

00:08:39.160 and, uh, uh, uh, without, without exaggeration, but money is one of the reasons and ideology.

00:08:48.680 Yes. Uh, uh, why did, why did embassies around the world show the BLM banner? The BLM

00:08:56.760 is a hate group. Why did, why did embassies show the BLM flag? It's right. It's astonishing. So I

00:09:06.440 looked up, you'll find this fascinating. I looked up the, the heads of the embassies,

00:09:11.400 in most cases, ambassadors, in a few cases, chargé d'affaires, there's no ambassador.

00:09:16.120 So the biggest U S embassy in the world is in London. And I looked up who was the head of

00:09:24.920 the UK embassy, our embassy in the UK. And can I learn anything about this person? It turns out to

00:09:32.840 be a woman. And in the bio, it notes that her mother is on the board of directors of the New

00:09:39.800 York civil liberties union. Oh Lord. That's the one who decided to put the BLM flag out in London.

00:09:48.200 It's so crazy. I mean, when you think about what BLM, what we saw over the summer with this

00:09:52.040 organization, getting in people's faces, harassing them, overturning their dinner tables, making black

00:09:58.040 motorists stop and raise a fist under threat of harm. If they didn't say they supported this group,

00:10:05.080 the calling for the, uh, destruction basically of the nuclear family that they, they want it replaced

00:10:11.640 and our embassies on order of our federal government flat fly this flag. Like it's only about a movement.

00:10:19.680 Like it's only about pushing back against police brutality. When I mean, five minutes of research

00:10:25.020 would tell you this group was about far more than that. Well, look, in my opinion, if you can't call

00:10:31.020 BLM a hate group, it means you don't take the term seriously. Well, ideology has infected. You've

00:10:37.420 certainly a lot of what we've seen here and we've seen it in just the New York times reporter who

00:10:44.860 tweeted that. Sure. We can reevaluate whether this came from a Wuhan lab as opposed to some wet market

00:10:49.900 directly from an animal to a human, but it's racist that let's just be clear that that is your racism

00:10:56.700 speaking against, I guess, Asian people. Um, I'm not sure exactly why, because the, the, the Wuhan lab

00:11:05.020 was funded in part by the United States and many others. Um, but yeah, that's her ideology stopping

00:11:11.740 her from acknowledging what appears to be fact. The New York. Well, I didn't know about that tweet.

00:11:18.380 I thank you for citing it. It furthers, gives more evidence, furthers the argument that the New York

00:11:25.260 times is a left wing, uh, sheet. It's very sad. Uh, but that's the idea that blaming the Wuhan lab

00:11:36.700 is racist is so, is so preposterous that it is now on the level of men give birth.

00:11:42.940 We are, we are expected to believe drivel nonsense. This is what goes, uh, for, uh, truth, uh, on the

00:11:53.820 left. I mean, and, and if you don't say it, that's what the totalitarianism is. If you don't say it,

00:11:59.740 you, you are, and of course the R word is simply used. Do you know that there is a professor? I

00:12:07.260 reported this on my radio show. I'm only laughing because I prefer to laugh than to cry. A professor

00:12:14.460 said that, uh, the reason, and most Americans of course don't know this, that the, the group that

00:12:22.460 has been attacking Asian Americans in the streets, uh, the, the largest single number is black

00:12:29.580 Americans. More black Americans have attacked Asian Americans than any other group has. And

00:12:35.420 given that black Americans comprise 12% of the population, but, uh, comprise over 50% of the

00:12:41.980 attacks, the disproportionality is extreme. So you are far more likely to be attacked if you're

00:12:48.940 Asian American by a black. So a professor, I don't remember what university, they're all

00:12:53.580 interchangeable. It's irrelevant. A, a professor at some university said this was a function of

00:13:01.180 white supremacy that blacks are attacking Asian Americans. Right. There you go. It's not just her.

00:13:07.820 It's not just her. It's that, that, that idea has spread into mainstream newspapers and publications.

00:13:14.380 We ticked a few of them off, um, as examples just last Friday on our show.

00:13:19.260 Yeah. That even that, because the, the white person has kept all minority groups down for

00:13:23.580 so long that they, that they've now effectively been pitted against one another. Thanks to white

00:13:28.300 supremacy, which we know from Ibram X. Kendi, we know from Robin DiAngelo, we all have, it's inborn

00:13:34.140 in our white babies just by nature of their melanin. So it's an impossible situation to rectify

00:13:40.620 other than through self-flagellation and ongoing racial quotas and so on and so forth, many of which

00:13:47.420 do absolutely nothing to help people of color. But can I, can I pick up on something you just said?

00:13:53.340 Because you're right that it is totalitarian and that's how it feels. And one of the examples of

00:14:00.300 that that came up this week was Chelsea Mitchell, this runner in the state of Connecticut. Now she's

00:14:06.220 in college, but she was in high school. She came on the show not long ago. We had a great debate.

00:14:10.700 Uh, she came on, another runner came on. These are girls who were forced to run against biological

00:14:16.780 males, against trans girls, right? Guys who had been running on the boys track team and not

00:14:22.940 doing very well. And then a semester later started running as girls and killed it. I mean,

00:14:30.300 we're just beating everybody without hormones, without anything to change anything about themselves.

00:14:36.540 And Chelsea Mitchell was not happy. She understandably, uh, her lawyer was here too.

00:14:42.860 And by the way, we had a trans athlete to defend the other side. So it was a very fair debate,

00:14:47.660 but Chelsea, uh, had, had been winning everywhere. And then suddenly these two trans girls come into the

00:14:55.500 races. They took 15 state championship titles. They set 17 new individual meet records and Chelsea lost

00:15:02.060 four state championship titles to these two runners as a result. And the media came out and said,

00:15:09.340 well, you know what? Chelsea also beat each of those trans girls in a race or two. And she,

00:15:14.380 Chelsea came on and she said, you know how that happened? They defaulted. They put,

00:15:17.820 they foot faulted at the beginning of the race. They didn't run. That's the only reason.

00:15:21.420 Oh my God. And the press did not report that.

00:15:24.380 No, no. It was just, oh, she beat them. So they're beatable.

00:15:27.100 Oh, that you see, I knew this whole story. In fact, uh, I don't know if it's Chelsea,

00:15:33.180 but we had the Connecticut girl do a PragerU video last year. Uh, one, we put out a five minute

00:15:39.820 video every week. We have a billion views a year and she was, or she, or, or another runner. I don't

00:15:47.180 remember which did a video on this precise issue. So we've been on top of it, both on my radio show

00:15:53.260 and PragerU. But this, I read, oh, well, what are you complaining about? They, they defeated

00:15:59.340 these biological men, but I was on default. No, no, they didn't run. The guys, yeah,

00:16:06.380 the trans girls did not run. They did. They were never beaten. I could have beaten them in that race.

00:16:11.580 Right. Even I could have done it. So, but here's the point. So Chelsea, who's in the middle of this

00:16:17.740 legal battle, good for her. She just got her case dismissed sadly at the federal trial court level

00:16:21.900 because she had aged out. She had graduated from high school. So the court said, well,

00:16:25.820 your, your, your case is kind of moot now, but it's in the law. There was a, there's an exception

00:16:31.420 for cases like that saying, saying sort of it's untimely, but likely to be repeated. And so they

00:16:35.980 have an appeal to the second circuit saying, you need to hear this. And we're not the only girls

00:16:39.740 that this is going to happen to. Okay. But there's a long windup to saying Chelsea writes a piece in USA

00:16:44.140 today trying to call attention to this issue. And Chelsea is a sweet girl. She's basically just trying to

00:16:49.660 speak up for girls who have been placed in this impossible position. Thanks to ideologues who

00:16:54.220 want to call everybody a transphobe who see a natural problem with this. And by the way, that

00:16:58.540 includes the majority of American people. Gallup just had a poll saying most Americans believe sports

00:17:03.420 should be separated based on biological sex. They went back USA today and edited Chelsea's words without

00:17:12.140 out telling her without getting her permission to take out the terms male or biological male,

00:17:20.540 which she was using to refer to these two runners. Now I understand. I try to be sensitive. I have no

00:17:26.940 desire to unnecessarily hurt feelings. I'm talking to a trans woman, a trans girl. I am happy to refer

00:17:33.020 to them as such, but in this debate, it's so confusing, right? Like it's almost just a short form

00:17:39.900 that it's the biological males running as girls. That is a problem. That's why she's using the

00:17:45.740 terminology. And she's trying to connote the physical advantages that biological males have

00:17:51.020 over biological girls. That's her argument. And USA today goes in there. Not only do they take out

00:17:57.500 that term, they take out a sentence she had about the physical advantages of males all without notifying

00:18:02.620 her. And then USA today apologizes for the use of that hurtful language. Um, the, the, the final piece

00:18:11.100 to the story is Chelsea's attorney, uh, with Alliance Defending Freedom comes out and says, we, we cannot

00:18:16.460 have an honest debate when one side attempts to eliminate biological reality and the words that reflect

00:18:24.460 it. But that's how we all are proceeding into these debates because we get shamed unless we adopt

00:18:30.380 their terminology, say it the way they want and accept certain basic premises that do not match up

00:18:36.220 with science. That's right. By the way, for your, uh, listeners, uh, interest, and they will be

00:18:42.860 interested. The video came out November 16th of last year, the end of women's sports, Selina Sewell or

00:18:50.860 Selina Sewell. Oh yeah. Yep. Uh, is the girl who did the video for us. It's five minutes and it's very

00:18:57.260 powerful at the pranker you.com. It's free. So I don't, I, I don't have any problem pushing it.

00:19:05.180 I just want people to see it and understand that print that, uh, USA today edited her piece without

00:19:13.900 telling her, uh, is astonished. Well, it's not astonishing. That was a foolish comment.

00:19:19.580 But it is, it is, it's another, it's a new line, Dennis, isn't it? It's a new, like that is, that's

00:19:25.820 a new road to cross. Look at, look at what we've come to that we have, we have to say, or you are

00:19:33.780 labeled a hater that if a biological male who says that she is a female, I don't, I'm with you. You,

00:19:40.940 you, you want to be a she and you look like a she and you have a she's name. You're, you're a she to

00:19:45.500 me. That's fine. But, uh, listen, it's going to really, uh, the, uh, the fertilizer will hit the

00:19:52.380 fan. Uh, if, if the Tokyo Olympics takes place, because New Zealand, uh, is apparently set to send

00:19:59.740 a trans female, that is a biological male, uh, in the heavyweight division of weightlifting.

00:20:06.620 And, uh, you, you have to, you have to have gone to a graduate school, uh, cause those are the only

00:20:16.340 people who could think so unclearly, uh, to say that that's fair to female weightlifters to have

00:20:24.220 a biological male competing against them. So by the way, there is an answer. People always say,

00:20:31.180 what are we supposed to do? What are we supposed to do? The answer is for no female weightlifters to

00:20:36.540 go to Tokyo. And that will end this idiocy. There would be no weightlifting. And, and, uh,

00:20:46.620 every girl, uh, in high school, if there is a trans competing against them, they don't race.

00:20:53.980 Let the two trans females be the only people to race. That is the only way this will end.

00:21:01.560 By the way, the only way in which the corruption of our schools will end is for people to withdraw

00:21:06.300 their children from school. Everybody says, what's the solution? That's the solution.

00:21:13.260 It's, but it's so hard. I mean, that's, it's easy for me because, you know, I have the advantage of,

00:21:18.660 of being financially secure, but so many people, they don't, they're in the midst of a public school

00:21:23.540 system that they, that the system has to take their kids because they play, they pay taxes and

00:21:27.660 they can't sell their house in this environment and they can't move and they don't, they have jobs and

00:21:31.640 they can't homeschool. To me, it's so, that's just unworkable. We need the schools to find their

00:21:37.400 sanity. Okay. What we have to do, uh, is states that have, uh, that have sober governors, meaning

00:21:47.040 general Republicans, they will have to finance, help finance people who need help because they

00:21:55.220 have taken their children out of schools because their children have had their souls, their minds,

00:22:01.040 their values corrupted. Uh, the fact is parents now it's between, I agree, a rock and a hard place.

00:22:10.540 It is a tragedy of unspeakable dimensions. Nevertheless, our parents need to understand

00:22:17.440 sending your child to a regular school today and not just public, private. And some of the private

00:22:24.100 are worse means that they will learn to hate America. They will have their, uh, their innocence

00:22:30.780 destroyed by premature sexualization, such as drag queen, a study hour that they will have, uh, bringing

00:22:39.740 in a, uh, a cisgender, as they call it, uh, a, a male identifying as a male, but wearing women's

00:22:46.340 clothing, reading stories to them and shimmying with them in first grade, in first grade, they will

00:22:53.080 learn that America was founded in order to preserve slavery. That was the purpose of the American

00:22:58.720 revolution, uh, because the Brits would outlaw. They didn't outlaw it even at the time. So it's

00:23:05.220 just a gigantic lie. But, uh, and on the other hand is the financial problems. One of the things people

00:23:13.540 could do, a lot of grandparents do have more money than their, than their children. They should finance

00:23:21.180 their children in taking them out of schools. We, we can find money on the state level and, uh, from,

00:23:29.340 uh, uh, grandparents who have it up. This is not a fortune of money. It's not little, uh, but I

00:23:36.060 understand that some people can't do it because they have to have two people working to support their

00:23:40.560 home. But people need to acknowledge the damage done to their children and ultimately to their

00:23:48.200 relationship with their children who are being raised by the, by the elementary schools, high

00:23:55.500 schools, and colleges to have contempt for their parents. Right, right. You pointed out recently

00:24:00.720 in one of your articles, they're not just being raised to have contempt for their parents' values,

00:24:05.480 but for their parents themselves. That's what every cult does. The first thing cults do

00:24:12.580 is sever parental authority. Coming up after the break, we're going to get into what's happening

00:24:18.280 in, uh, our schools and beyond as the new message out of Portland, Oregon, is that if you do not

00:24:24.300 consider yourself a quote, an anti-racist, you're the same as a pedophile. That's next.

00:24:33.380 You look around at the messages coming out from the teachers, you know, yes, you get the occasional

00:24:38.080 Paul Rossi. God love him from Grace Church here in New York who came out and said, I'm not, I can't

00:24:42.880 countenance this. This, this, this, what's happening here is wrong. A math teacher saying,

00:24:47.260 why is everything in my math class suddenly about quote, anti-racism, which of course is, is really

00:24:52.000 just code for racism. Um, you've got him, but there for every Paul Rossi, I feel like there are 10,

00:24:58.700 uh, Catherine Watkinses. This is an eighth grade teacher in Portland, Oregon, who is in the news

00:25:07.920 this week for comparing people who push back on this anti-racist term and critical race theory,

00:25:15.460 which is incredibly divisive, comparing them to pedophiles. Listen to her, Dennis.

00:25:21.840 Catherine Watkins, eighth grade humanities teacher at Cedar Park Middle School. And my pronouns are she,

00:25:27.120 her, we, and us. Um, I'm going to say something that's not nice and not sweet, but it's true.

00:25:33.420 If you're not evolving into an anti-racist educator, you're making yourself obsolete in this field of

00:25:43.420 profession. Um, our district is only getting browner and browner with our children. And so if, you know,

00:25:51.060 obviously you can't change your melanin, all right, but you can change your mind so that you can actually

00:25:57.220 function in a district that is full of BIPOC children. So if you're being resistant, I understand

00:26:06.400 that, but you're going to have to eventually come to the light because if you're going to keep with

00:26:11.620 those old views of, um, colonialism, um, it's going to lead to being fired because you're going to be

00:26:18.800 doing damage to our children, um, trauma. And so as we fire the teachers who sexually abuse our

00:26:24.840 children, we will be firing the teachers who do racist things to our children and traumatize them.

00:26:32.620 Well, there is a very important point to be made here. This is 100% consistent with all leftist

00:26:41.860 attacks. They're never precise. What colonial racist thing is she in fact attacking? Right.

00:26:51.520 If you hear her, you have no idea what it is that people in her view say or think that is

00:27:01.780 reprehensible. So I have no idea that, but it is done all the time, all the time. I'm all I do is I

00:27:09.840 ask, please give me an example. I've been broadcasting 35 years. This is the exact method in which I write

00:27:17.120 and speak. I make a generalization and then I give examples. Generalizations are fine, but only if you

00:27:26.200 could provide examples to support your generalization. They never do. Is the belief that Beethoven wrote

00:27:35.380 the greatest music, is that racist? Is the belief that there are objective and only one right answer

00:27:43.860 to a mathematical question? Is that racist? Tell me what is racist is saying that it is a bad thing to

00:27:52.000 have a dormitory of only one race. Is that racist? Tell me exactly what it is that is rendering your

00:28:02.020 colleagues obsolete. You have to be quote, anti-racist. Uh, even if you can't change the color of your skin,

00:28:09.760 she says, otherwise you're going to get fired and you'll be treated like a pedophile. So what is that?

00:28:14.860 What does it mean to be anti-racist? You know, it makes me think of the Smithsonian's National Museum

00:28:20.200 of African-American History and Culture defining whiteness, right? This is what we're supposed to be

00:28:25.440 getting away from our whiteness as, and I quote, self-reliance. This is what you need to get away

00:28:30.580 from. Otherwise you're a pedophile. Self-reliance, the nuclear family, the scientific method,

00:28:35.940 objectivity, hard work, Christianity, delayed gratification, and respect for authority.

00:28:44.020 Totally insulting to black Americans from coast to coast to suggest they don't share those values.

00:28:50.940 They get away with it, right? Because it's the National Museum of African-American History. So I

00:28:55.040 guess they can say what they want, but that's really what they're talking about. You're right. They don't

00:28:59.380 give examples because the examples would completely undermine her point. That's exactly right.

00:29:05.940 That list of irreprehensible things to the left is why the left is the enemy of civilization.

00:29:16.080 Every one of those things, unless I missed something, is a wonderful thing. Objectivity,

00:29:23.340 the nuclear family, Christianity. I'm a Jew. I'm in fact a religious Jew. And I fear the demise of

00:29:33.940 Christianity as much as any Christian in this country. Do you know that in the 19th century,

00:29:42.080 the greatest German poet who ever lived, Heinrich Heine, who was ethnically a Jew, he was not

00:29:49.580 religiously a Jew, but he was born a Jew, wrote, and I quote him, if people put in Dennis Prager,

00:29:56.480 Heinrich Heine, H-E-I-N-E, they'll get the exact quote, but he wrote basically this.

00:30:02.740 The only thing that is stopping the Germans from unleashing their viciousness is the cross.

00:30:10.700 And if that fails, we will see evil the likes of which humanity has never seen. He predicted World

00:30:18.200 War II and the Holocaust 100 years before it arose. When Christianity died in Europe, just to take one

00:30:25.160 of the things that the Museum of Black History hates, Christianity. When Christianity died in

00:30:34.900 Europe, we got fascism, Nazism, and communism. What will we get in America when Christianity dies?

00:30:43.320 That's the biggest single question Americans should be asking.

00:30:47.100 Mm-hmm. Well, you had a piece recently talking about this, where you wrote about how affluence plus

00:30:55.600 secularism, you know, the eschewing of religion, leads to leftism. How is, expand on that.

00:31:05.560 Yes. If I may be personal for a moment, my listeners of decades know that every so often,

00:31:15.200 I will simply state that the essence of everything I have talked about for 35 years

00:31:22.320 is what are the consequences of secularism. See, everybody knows that there's such a thing

00:31:31.220 as too much religion or religious extremism, which I agree, there is religious extremism.

00:31:36.880 But you've never heard in your life the term secular extremism. You can't be too secular.

00:31:41.960 You can only be too religious. That's good. You're right.

00:31:45.980 Which is absurd. So we are secular extremists. And the consequences have been the following.

00:31:57.800 The human being wants meaning more than anything except food. This is Viktor Frankl's brilliance. It

00:32:03.960 was one of the books that most influenced my life after the Bible. Viktor Frankl, psychoanalyst,

00:32:09.900 went through the Holocaust, wrote Man's Search for Meaning. It is still a bestseller.

00:32:14.520 I don't know, 40 years after it was written. He is no longer with us. And it changed my life. I read

00:32:23.000 it in high school. It's quite brief. And he made it clear that Freud was not right. The ultimate,

00:32:29.540 the great urge is not sexual, as powerful as the sexual drive is. The great urge is not what Marx

00:32:37.800 said it was, economic, as powerful as that drive is. The most powerful drive is the yearning for

00:32:44.260 meaning. People can live without sex, and they can live without, not without any, but without much

00:32:51.800 money. But they can't live without meaning. That nobody is capable of doing that. And so we have,

00:33:01.480 or not we, the left has taken away meaning, the traditional sources of meaning. What were they?

00:33:10.180 For example, God and country, which is, of course, held in contempt, that phrase. God is for morons.

00:33:16.900 The Bible is for fanatics. And country means you're a nationalist, and therefore a chauvinist,

00:33:23.860 and therefore a fascist. So what is left? No God, no country to believe in. Well, then you will need

00:33:30.920 secular religions. And that's what we have been having since Marx for the people who have left

00:33:37.660 religion. They have secular religions. Marxism, communism, socialism, environmentalism, feminism,

00:33:44.420 you name the ism, it is, it serves as a secular substitute for religion. So when you, now, why did

00:33:54.040 I mention boredom and affluence? That's the other factor. Poverty gives you meaning. No poor people

00:34:02.620 have no meaning. They all have meaning. I have to get lunch. I have to get dinner. I have to feed my

00:34:09.100 family and myself. Such a good point. Can I just say this? It's such a good point. I constantly say

00:34:14.120 when people are going off about these irrelevant, mundane things that really don't amount to what

00:34:19.480 they say they amount to, that they have too much time on their hands. They need a busier,

00:34:24.080 more fulfilled life, whether it's the mean suburban housewife who's just hassling you for no particular

00:34:29.140 reason, or it's a leftist trying to tell you that your unwillingness to say two plus two equals

00:34:35.820 anything other than four is racist. They have too much time on their hands.

00:34:40.180 That's exactly right. Boredom is one of the great animators. And when it's combined with secularism,

00:34:47.580 you get leftism. It's a formula like E equals MC squared. Why are religious Americans overwhelmingly

00:34:56.740 not on the left? They get their meaning from religion. Marx knew this. That's why Marx hated

00:35:01.320 religion. He called it the opiate of the masses. It did not enable them to make revolutions because it

00:35:09.120 gave them meaning. The revolution should give them meaning, but damn it, their religion gives them

00:35:15.780 meaning. So we have to get rid of this alternate meaning called religion. It's happening. It's

00:35:22.260 happening. That is correct. More and more people are running from it and demonized for it. And this

00:35:28.680 getting religion out of the public square has, it just seems to have spread to getting it out of the

00:35:33.780 private square as well. I think it's interesting. You know, we did this long debate recently and it

00:35:39.820 was a great debate on what's happening in Israel. And we had Alan Dershowitz and we had both sides

00:35:45.380 represented. But one thing we did not get to that you've been making a point of is that the whole

00:35:52.120 dispute that we're watching over there is actually about religion. And, you know, perhaps it was a failing

00:35:58.820 of me in moderating the debate that we didn't really get to that because it's an important

00:36:04.160 piece of why Israel, Israel, unlike any other country, winds up in the news for the way it

00:36:13.700 treats the Palestinians as opposed to look at the neighboring countries, you know, look at how other

00:36:18.780 countries treat Muslims. And you've been making this point.

00:36:23.140 Well, there are two separate issues and I'm very delighted and actually honored that you read my

00:36:29.820 pieces. Always. Thank you. It means a lot. Yes, I said this on Fox News and it sort of went viral

00:36:39.780 because people just, if someone of your depth also thought it was about land, it shows how necessary

00:36:48.000 corrective what I'm saying is. It has almost nothing to do with land. If Israel were the size

00:36:56.720 of the Bronx, they would want to destroy it. They don't want a Jewish state in the middle of the

00:37:04.560 Middle East. Period. That's all it is about. That is why the Palestinians never, almost never refer

00:37:12.400 to the Israelis as Israelis. They call them the Jews. That is why Jews are attacked by Muslim

00:37:19.120 extremists in the United States and Britain and Germany and elsewhere. Jews. Kill the Jews. They

00:37:25.440 don't say kill the Israelis. They say kill the Jews. That's their motto. It's about Judaism and Islam.

00:37:33.280 That's what it is about. And I was at the Middle East Institute of Columbia. I was at the Russian

00:37:38.260 Institute of Middle East Institute. I did Hebrew, Arabic, and Russian. And even then I knew my

00:37:46.080 professors all got it wrong. All these brilliant professors of the Middle East at Columbia University

00:37:52.700 in the 1970s. It's about land. It's about land. It's about land. They bought the lie. And you know

00:37:58.320 why? Because they're all secular. So they can't imagine that religion animates people. That's what it's

00:38:03.720 really about. I'm secular. So the battle must be secular. But it isn't. It's kill the Jews. It's

00:38:09.840 we, you can't, you can have 22 Arab states in the Middle East, but not one Jewish state the size of

00:38:15.340 New Jersey. That's what it amounts to. And that is why anti-Zionism, not criticism of Israel, no one

00:38:21.720 ever said criticism of Israel is anti-Semitic. Anti-Zionism is anti-Semitic because Zionism is the

00:38:27.860 movement to establish a Jewish national homeland where it already existed twice in

00:38:33.480 history. There was never a country named Palestine. There was never an Arab country in

00:38:37.820 that area. There was never a Muslim country in that area. The only two countries that ever existed

00:38:42.500 as sovereign states were Jewish country number one, destroyed in 586 BC, and Jewish country number

00:38:48.660 two, destroyed in 70 AD, and Jewish country number three, established in 1948. And how many people know

00:38:56.700 this? You know, it's, it's a great point. And we're seeing it spill over onto the streets of New

00:39:05.160 York, California, in Europe, these attacks on people for being Jewish. It's not because they

00:39:13.200 support Israel. There's no statement on whether they support Israel or not prior to the attacks on

00:39:18.900 them. It's the site, they see a yarmulke, and they go after them. That's right. And a Jewish writer,

00:39:29.460 I don't remember in what, on what website, but a Jewish writer made a brilliant point about how people

00:39:37.260 speak about the Israel lobby, and they always associate it with Jews. He said, in fact, the Israel

00:39:43.180 lobby is overwhelmingly non-Jews, and the anti-Israel lobby is overwhelmingly composed of Jews.

00:39:51.660 Wow.

00:39:54.420 That's nuts.

00:39:55.740 It's so sick.

00:39:57.140 Well, that's what Dershowitz was saying about Bernie Sanders.

00:39:59.420 Yes, Bernie, of course.

00:40:00.420 Why, why is his rhetoric so anti-Jewish and anti-Israel? You know, he thinks he's a, he's a

00:40:07.000 self-hater, but I don't know whether that's true or whether it's just his leftist ideology,

00:40:12.060 because he's about as far left as you can go around the bend.

00:40:14.920 Well, it is a statement about the left that, once again, I wrote, I guess you saw it.

00:40:22.020 I'm delighted, as I said earlier. I wrote a piece, and if I remember the title correctly,

00:40:28.560 let's see, it was Men Give Birth. I forgot the second absurdity, and Israel, or Hamas,

00:40:39.000 is the victim. In other words, for the left, everything is wrong. Men don't give birth. Israel

00:40:48.640 is not the aggressor, et cetera, et cetera. This, you're expected to believe that north is south

00:40:57.400 and east is west. I wrote another column last year. It's not even that the, the left's moral

00:41:05.880 compass is broken. They don't have one. It's stuck at north is south and east is west.

00:41:14.740 And two plus two does not equal four.

00:41:16.540 That's right.

00:41:16.940 You've also said that you think many of the factors behind hatred of Jewish people

00:41:26.500 are the same factors that are behind hatred of America. Why is that?

00:41:32.820 Yes. And I wrote this decades ago. People can see it in my book, Why the Jews, the Reason for

00:41:40.120 Anti-Semitism. And I wrote, then, Anti-Americanism is a modern version of anti-Semitism. America and

00:41:51.040 the Jews, and certainly American Israel, have so much in common. One of them being that they're

00:41:58.980 extremely successful. People hate successful people. And successful people who have an ideology

00:42:11.280 that includes religiosity is particularly lamentable. America was founded to have a secular government

00:42:21.580 and a religious people. One of our mottos is, in God we trust. That is up there. You never see it

00:42:28.060 at a State of the Union address because they never take a wide angle shot. It's fascinating.

00:42:34.500 I am certain it's deliberate. Yep. The only time I knew that in God we trust in giant letters is

00:42:42.780 chiseled into the wall above the speaker and the vice president is when I went to Congress for a State

00:42:49.980 of the Union address. And I was stunned to see in God we trust chiseled onto the wall behind the speaker.

00:42:57.280 But you never see it on television because they never do a wide pan. But America was founded on

00:43:06.200 the belief that it is an exceptional people. The Jews believe they're an exceptional people. Doesn't

00:43:11.720 mean better. There is no doctrine. I know Judaism very well. I've written books on it. I've taught it

00:43:17.080 on college level. And I'm writing a Bible commentary now up to volume number three. So I know my Judaism

00:43:25.160 real well. And there was never a doctrine that Jews were better than anybody else. And the Bible

00:43:31.700 itself says, I didn't choose you because you're better. I choose you because you're so tiny.

00:43:37.260 But the fact is, Jewish chosenness is a source of anti-Semitism. And American exceptionalism

00:43:43.360 is a source of anti-Americanism. America was founded. Most people don't know this.

00:43:48.660 The founders said, we are the second chosen people. First is the Jews and then us. They

00:43:55.780 chose a verse from the Torah to be on the Liberty Bell. Most of the founders studied Hebrew.

00:44:03.240 I mean, the connection between the United States, it's unique. America is the Judeo-Christian

00:44:09.920 country. And so the Judeo and the Christian are hated by the left. And again, back to the success

00:44:18.840 that the most capitalist and most religious industrialized democracy is the most successful

00:44:24.800 rank, rankles the, the, the left and always has. We are a living refutation of leftism,

00:44:32.460 the success of capitalism, the success of individualism, the success of Judeo-Christian values.

00:44:38.880 It must be torn down.

00:44:41.920 Coming up next, President Biden spoke in Tulsa, Oklahoma this week. Why Dennis says it was the

00:44:47.680 most anti-American speech he has ever heard. But first, before we get to that, we're going to

00:44:53.200 bring you a feature we have on the MK show called Asked and Answered, where we get to some of our

00:44:58.000 listeners questions about the show, about life, about anything. And for that, we bring in our executive

00:45:02.900 producer, Steve Krakauer, who's been combing through the questions on our social media and at

00:45:08.520 Yes. Questions at devilmaycaremedia.com, which is where we got this one today. Another one,

00:45:14.440 I'm really excited to hear the answer to. So this is from-

00:45:16.920 I don't know this question today. Sometimes I know what the questions are today. I do not know.

00:45:20.460 I think we emailed about it. Okay. Anyway, well, this will be good.

00:45:23.320 I don't read all those emails, Steve.

00:45:24.520 This is going to be right off the cuff here. This is from Jeremy Apfel, who wants to know,

00:45:29.680 did you make a conscious decision to start cursing more often on the podcast? If so,

00:45:34.420 how did you come to that decision? And he wants to say, for what it's worth, I like it raw and

00:45:38.440 unfiltered.

00:45:40.300 Jeremy, is that his name?

00:45:41.960 That's Jeremy Apfel. Yes.

00:45:43.460 Jeremy, thank you for that. That's funny. There was no conscious decision. This is just me.

00:45:47.960 I really do have a mouth like a sailor. People have mixed feelings about it, but

00:45:54.640 I come by it honestly. My mom's not a big swearer, but my nana was. My nana,

00:45:59.960 she loved to drop a few four-letter words. And I'll tell you what really got me swearing was my

00:46:04.800 time in the law. I practiced law for almost a decade, and lawyers swear a lot. They do it in

00:46:11.180 anger. They do it in humor. They do it in storytelling. And it was just part of the culture.

00:46:16.780 And I just got used to it. And it can be so effective. You know, a properly used F-bomb can

00:46:22.400 just be so effective. Not that I've perfected that, but I try. And I never was able to shake

00:46:29.940 it. While on television, you cannot. And that was easy to abide by. But in my real life, I am

00:46:36.300 definitely a swearer. And I try not to swear too much on the program because I do still want to be

00:46:41.440 a professional with you guys. But one of the things I love about this format is you can't

00:46:46.760 let your freak flag fly. You know, if you happen to like cursing, you can do it. People who don't

00:46:51.980 want to hear that won't listen. Or maybe they'll tolerate a bit and forgive you. But I think for

00:46:58.200 the most part, people are okay with the occasional curse. You know, I try not to do it too much.

00:47:04.360 But sometimes you really need it. You know what I mean? Sometimes there's really no substitute.

00:47:09.820 And overall, I'd say the program is enhanced by it more than it is undermined by it. Though I understand

00:47:15.300 some people listen with their kids, and they would like that to stop. For you folks,

00:47:20.260 I apologize. Maybe in our advanced version of the MK show, we will find the clean version. We'll

00:47:24.840 offer a beeped version. So I can continue being me and you can continue listening with your six-year-old

00:47:30.120 in the car. But until then, bear with me. I promise to be at least judicious in my approach to those

00:47:36.460 four-letter little darlings. Steve?

00:47:39.680 I love it. I love it. I have to say, I'm a fan of the cursing. I think that was one of the first

00:47:45.320 conversations we had early on before we launched the show was like, the reason it will be the most

00:47:52.100 you of any show is because you couldn't, you know, fully be your full personality on NBC or Fox. So

00:47:59.120 I just wanted to say, I think that we are capturing that now in its full.

00:48:02.680 We certainly are. And we also had a discussion about it because if you swear,

00:48:08.760 you have to slap an explicit notice on your show, right? Don't we have to have explicit?

00:48:14.260 We do.

00:48:14.540 Like if somebody has a non-explicit ban on their podcast availability,

00:48:19.840 then we won't come up, right?

00:48:22.160 Yeah. No, no. We've got a little, we've got our little E next to it. So we're, you know,

00:48:26.060 it's your warning. You know, you know, you're coming, you know what you're getting into.

00:48:29.160 Proceed at your own risk. The very same thing I say to all of my guests.

00:48:32.920 Steve. Thank you, sir. Again, it's questions, plural, at devilmaycaremedia.com. Or you can hit

00:48:39.500 us up on, uh, on Facebook, on Insta, on Twitter, uh, with a question that you may have and with a

00:48:44.960 thought about the show and with guest suggestions and anything else you might like to share.

00:48:48.980 And now back to Dennis in one second, but first this.

00:48:52.280 You don't have to go down the food chain to pundits like Kendi to get this. Just, just this week,

00:49:07.220 President Biden was making statements about our country that made it sound like we were still

00:49:14.600 back in the Tulsa, Oklahoma of 100 years ago, uh, when he went there to mark the anniversary of this

00:49:22.100 race riot that, that destroyed a very well-off black community. And it's estimated to have left

00:49:26.880 hundreds of people dead. So he goes to Tulsa and he makes a speech talking about America. I mean,

00:49:34.340 it reminded me frankly of Barack Obama when he did his apology tour, couldn't find anything good to say

00:49:38.940 about our country. And to hear Joe Biden talk about America and, and the racial progress made,

00:49:45.260 you'd think there'd been none. We have a little bit of that. Listen, listen here.

00:49:49.400 We've allowed a narrowed cramped view of the promise of this nation to fester.

00:49:56.840 The view that America is a zero sum game where there's only one winner. If you succeed,

00:50:05.140 I fail. If you get ahead, I'm fall behind. If you get a job, I lose mine. And maybe worst of all,

00:50:17.320 if I hold you down, I lift myself up. Millions of white Americans belong to the Klan and that hate

00:50:26.180 became embedded systematically and systemically in our laws and our culture. We do ourselves no favors

00:50:36.980 by pretending none of this ever happened or doesn't impact us today because it does still impact us

00:50:43.700 today. I didn't realize hate's never defeated. It only hides. It hides. And given a little bit of

00:50:54.240 oxygen, it's a little bit of oxygen by his leaders, it comes out of there from under the rock, like it

00:51:01.360 was happening again, as if it never went away. It's the most anti-American speech ever given by an

00:51:09.840 American president. As I said on my show, I loathe Joe Biden as much as the anti-Trumpers loved Donald

00:51:17.300 Trump. This man is so reprehensible that this speech will go down as one of the most mendacious.

00:51:32.420 That means lying for those who went to college and didn't study vocabulary.

00:51:36.340 Appreciate that. We always love the translations of any terms.

00:51:40.180 Yes. Uh, the mendacity of this speech is only rivaled by its, the lying is only rivaled by its

00:51:50.100 antipathy. That a president of the United States could say, first of all, what does this mean? We

00:51:57.460 pretend this didn't happen. Who pretends this didn't happen?

00:52:00.560 I know that was my, that exact, who is doing that?

00:52:04.820 Yes. No, nobody. They, they make charges. The, uh, one writer in the wall street journal in the

00:52:11.620 middle of one of the terms of Barack Obama wrote the most important article on, on Barack Obama that

00:52:18.200 I read in the eight years, in the eight years of his presidency. All he does is attack straw men.

00:52:24.540 Hmm. That's what the speech is about. Straw men who denies this happened. And what is he talking

00:52:32.080 about? Hate never dies. What does it mean? Hate never dies. It's an absurdity. Hate never dies.

00:52:43.980 I mean, as a Jew, let me tell you, uh, it, it certainly did for all intents and purposes in

00:52:48.980 America compared to Europe. That's why Jews flocked here in the millions. By the way, it, it,

00:52:54.540 it's died here immensely. Here's a, here's a question. No leftist ever, ever, ever confronts.

00:53:01.120 Why have millions of blacks moved to the United States from Africa? Did any Jews move to Germany

00:53:06.760 in the 1930s? Germany was systemically anti-Semitic. Any Jews move there? Hey,

00:53:12.380 there's the land of opportunity. Let's go to Germany. No, zero. Why have millions of blacks moved

00:53:19.320 to America? Because they haven't bought the lie that America is racist.

00:53:24.540 That's why. It's a living refutation of the entire claim of the, of the Kendi's and the others

00:53:30.780 that this country is systemically racist. They must think that blacks in Africa who come here

00:53:36.300 are morons, true morons. Why would you come to a place that hates you?

00:53:41.040 You know, speaking of a wall street journal columnist, Jason Riley, who I love had a response

00:53:48.640 to this, which everybody should read in the wall street journal. And he's the guy who wrote that

00:53:53.580 book. Please stop helping us, which really puts a lot of this in perspective if you want a longer

00:53:57.340 read, but he, this is what he said in response to the Tulsa speech. He said, properly understood

00:54:03.760 what happened a hundred years ago to now demonstrates how much racial progress has been

00:54:10.320 made in this country in a relatively short time. He says yet for progressives in the media, it's an

00:54:15.040 opportunity to push for racial preferences and bigger government, government, et cetera. He says,

00:54:19.900 the goal is to link today's racial disparities to past wrongs and to play down or ignore the far more

00:54:26.880 significant role contemporary black behavior plays in social inequality. And he points out how the

00:54:34.100 press went to the Tulsa mayor and kept trying to get the Tulsa mayor who's, or sorry, I think it was, maybe

00:54:41.920 it was the Selma mayor during Barack Obama's speech. It was, it was one of those two because Barack Obama

00:54:46.100 did the same thing. Trying to get him to say, oh, you know, it's, it's racial disparities. It's racism in

00:54:52.380 America. This is what's causing all the problems in the black community. And, and the guy kept

00:54:56.540 saying, well, we have a lot more crime today than we had in 1965. Well, we had segregation back then,

00:55:02.020 but we didn't have this crime rate. And Jason Riley has been doing a really good job of sort of taking

00:55:07.180 a hard look at this and pointing out that in the first half of the 20th century, long before big

00:55:13.880 government decided to help the black community, expand the welfare state, incomes were rising for

00:55:19.280 blacks. Poverty was falling dramatically for them. Education gaps were narrowing. Blacks were entering

00:55:24.420 the skilled professions law and so on at faster rates than in the years after the civil rights

00:55:30.080 period. And, and yet black crime rate, the black crime rate continues to go up. And, and he, he

00:55:37.340 points out how, you know, the more big government gets involved, the worse the situation for black

00:55:42.820 Americans gets, but the more the Democrats in charge keep blaming events of 150, 100 years ago,

00:55:51.160 50 years ago for all the problems of today without getting honest about maybe it is some of this big

00:55:56.640 government interference. Maybe it is the absence of faith in the public square, the absence of,

00:56:01.560 of mother, father, family. Why can't we speak honestly about this rather than pretending there's no

00:56:07.760 difference between Tulsa of a hundred years ago and today? Your, uh, excellent summary gave the answer.

00:56:16.280 The entire narrative turns out to be a lie if they hear what we have to say. Tom Sowell, one of the

00:56:23.840 greatest thinkers of the, of the, of the century and 20th, who would be a household name if it were not

00:56:33.320 for the fact that he is a black conservative and not a black leftist. So true. Black, uh, black

00:56:40.800 family integrity. In other words, intact husband, wife was higher in the 1930s than whites.

00:56:51.800 Why did it go from overwhelming majority of blacks were born to a married mother and father

00:56:59.720 to the, to nearly 80% of blacks are raised without a father in their home. Government, government,

00:57:09.900 the left, remember the left ruins everything it touches. That is the most important rule of life

00:57:13.980 other than gravity. And it is as true as gravity. And nowhere is it more obvious than with regard to

00:57:23.240 blacks. The damage that the left has done to black America is, uh, should elicit such rage to be told

00:57:32.560 that you are so pathetic that we will change the rules of, of grammar for you. We will change the

00:57:41.760 grading system for you. We will change the rules of math for you. The contempt of blacks that is

00:57:49.240 inherent. I do believe there is systemic racism on the left that I do believe the only place in America

00:57:56.420 I know of where there's systemic racism. You are inferior. We believe you're inferior. We will not

00:58:03.200 make the same moral demands on you as we make on any other group. That is Ku Klux Klan racism.

00:58:11.400 It's true. Riley points out in the piece, he says, by the way, progress of black Americans is not

00:58:18.440 conditioned on racial tolerance. He says, look at the Asians, look at the anti-Asian sentiment that

00:58:22.960 was in this country, going back to Japanese internment camps and beyond. And the progress

00:58:27.780 that American Asians have made, Asian Americans have made, notwithstanding a fair amount of prejudice

00:58:33.400 against them. You know, it, it, all the messaging toward black America from people like Joe Biden

00:58:38.920 is about disempower, empowerment. And by the way, another thing he said in that speech,

00:58:43.720 which was just ridiculous was, you know, black people, he said, they don't have accountants.

00:58:48.840 They don't have lawyers. You had people like Leo Terrell on Twitter going, Hey, Joe Biden,

00:58:52.840 I am a lawyer. Look at me. I'm all grown up and I actually got a JD. So dismissive. Can you imagine

00:58:59.260 if Trump said that black people, they don't have accountants. They don't have lawyers.

00:59:02.440 Groups are used. Feminists use women. If feminists cared about women, they would be the first group to

00:59:07.780 oppose biological men in sports and women's sports. Feminists care about women. Like I care again

00:59:15.780 about the Ugandan currency. No offense to Uganda. I've been to 20 African countries, a big affection

00:59:20.920 for Africa, but, uh, it's not, uh, it's not on my radar, the Ugandan currency, and it is not on the

00:59:28.400 feminist radar helping women. Uh, all left-wing groups have a left-wing ideology and use the group

00:59:35.680 environmentalists use global warming to change the entire economy. It's a use of it. If they

00:59:43.540 believe this proof, the environmentalists, the vast majority don't give a damn about global warming

00:59:50.320 and carbon dioxide because there is such a perfect answer. Nuclear power. Why aren't they for it?

00:59:57.840 Well, this is what Riley says. Why this focus on white criminal behavior in Tulsa 100 years ago,

01:00:03.700 rather than say black criminality in places like Chicago, Baltimore, St. Louis, because it helps

01:00:09.300 Democrats get elected. That's, that's what it's about. That's what's so cynical about the whole

01:00:15.100 speech and the approach here. It's a huge manipulation of people to tell them that they're

01:00:21.920 downtrodden at that and that there's this boogeyman they can blame as opposed to you. You can pick

01:00:28.400 yourself up. It's not the system. There are plenty, plenty of affluent black people in this country,

01:00:33.720 affluent Asian Americans and so on who overcame whatever systemic problems still remain. It's not

01:00:39.040 to say anything's perfect, but the disempowerment helps get votes. Yeah. And apparently it works though.

01:00:47.940 It's working less. There are more blacks voting Republican and there are young blacks. Candace Owens,

01:00:56.460 most well known. Uh, and, uh, we, we have a young woman named Amalia at PragerU. She's just 21 years old.

01:01:04.920 She, she has a, uh, an African father and a white leftist mother. And she has simply

01:01:12.780 gotten rid of the chains of leftism. One of the brightest, uh, young people I've ever met.

01:01:20.460 She regularly does, uh, work for PragerU. She's on, on, on, has hundreds of thousands,

01:01:27.300 if not millions of followers. The, these, these are rays of hope, uh, today. But of course,

01:01:33.600 these are the people most hated. The most hated group in America is, is white Christians. The second

01:01:38.640 most hated is black conservatives. Third most hated is my group. I'm hated on two levels. I'm hated for

01:01:45.620 being white and conservative and I'm hated for being a Jewish conservative. And you're a guy.

01:01:52.460 Yeah. And male, of course, this is, and by cisgender male, we must add, I actually identify

01:01:57.480 with my biology. My preferred pronouns are he and, uh, uh, and him. My preferred pronouns are figure it

01:02:05.220 out. Yes. Well, that's good. That's actually good. I think that's what everybody should have,

01:02:13.080 figure it out. Because if you really do look like a woman, act like a woman, talk like a woman,

01:02:21.220 dress like a woman and have a woman's name, I don't care what you started out as.

01:02:26.100 Right. The, the only people who care about that are those who are intimate with you.

01:02:30.060 I don't. So that's fine. I want, I want a trans woman to look like a woman, take a woman's name,

01:02:38.300 et cetera. I, I, I, I don't know if you know this. There was no reason that you should, but I, I,

01:02:44.080 I have an avocation of conducting orchestras. I'm very involved. I do know this. Of course. Okay.

01:02:48.840 Yes. So one of my many years ago, I, I, at a rehearsal of, of, of symphony I was conducting,

01:02:56.020 I mentioned to the permanent conductor that, wow, I have never seen a woman timpanist before.

01:03:02.960 There was a young woman who was the timpanist. Timpanist for those who don't know orchestras,

01:03:08.200 the timpani are the drums. And it's very rare to see a female timpanist. And certainly it was 25

01:03:14.800 years ago. So he said, well, actually she started out as a man. So I thought, fine,

01:03:21.940 to actually look like an attractive woman. And I didn't have any thoughts. Oh, well, it's really not,

01:03:28.040 I don't know, Lydia or whatever her name was. Of course it's Lydia. That's fine. It's a non-issue.

01:03:34.180 We're, we conservatives are not against the, the trans. This is, this is a gigantic lie. It's as

01:03:39.860 big a lie as we're against blacks, but, uh, we are for the fairness. It's unfair. Why isn't that obvious?

01:03:52.020 How can a, can a biological male compete against women in weightlifting?

01:03:58.160 And you know what? And not only that, just the debate on the, on the terminology,

01:04:01.160 I don't want to call myself cisgender. I'm just a woman. I am a woman. That's what I am. I,

01:04:07.160 I don't want to say people who menstruate. I don't. I, if you want to come on over and,

01:04:12.860 and you want to live your life as a woman and you, or you don't want to, and you still menstruate,

01:04:16.660 even though you look like a man, you can figure that out. But a woman menstruates.

01:04:20.980 I am a woman. If I'll use the term cisgendered, if I have to, in order to make distinctions when

01:04:26.840 having a debate about the trans community, but the attempt to control language is suffocating,

01:04:32.720 isn't it? It's just suffocating. And I'm sick of being called names when you're just trying to

01:04:36.580 use terms like woman, like breastfeeding that are not offensive.

01:04:41.640 They use names because they don't debate issues. Do you know, I did, I do a week

01:04:50.960 fireside chat on YouTube and at PragerU. And my bulldog is sitting next to me and I talk into the

01:05:00.020 camera from my own study in my own house. Got a lot of views each, each week. And I did

01:05:06.260 something I had never done before a couple of weeks ago. John Oliver broadcast this hate-filled

01:05:13.580 lying rant against Israel. He did. And I actually played it and responded. And what I said was,

01:05:20.940 I will go anywhere in America and he can pick the moderator. Let's debate the Middle East.

01:05:27.700 Oh, he could never. Of course not. This is a rule of the left. They don't debate. They can't debate.

01:05:36.580 They lose every debate. Why won't Kendi sit with, with Coleman Hughes? Why won't D'Angelo sit with

01:05:42.800 Ayan Hirsi Ali? That's right. These are black commentators who are asking to take on these

01:05:47.820 ideas. That's right. We gladly debate them. We glad, they don't come on our shows. I will go on any

01:05:54.680 left-wing show at any time of day, any time. They don't want correctly. Deep down, they know there is

01:06:03.860 no intellectual or factual substance to anything the left says. Anything.

01:06:09.060 Well, and they don't have to. They don't. Tactically, as a lawyer, I say, yeah, I see your

01:06:13.640 point. You're making tons of money. You don't really have to defend the ideas. You prepare your

01:06:17.420 speech. You say it into a camera, if you're John Oliver, into your book, if you're Kendi. And you

01:06:22.960 don't really have to defend it. And the checks keep coming. So why take the risk?

01:06:27.980 Yes. By the way, it's worse than that, in my opinion. I don't even think money is the primary

01:06:33.480 issue. I think it's a big factor. But I think the primary issue is power. They want and belief.

01:06:42.220 I think this has been one of the few questions about the left that I have not been able to answer

01:06:49.420 for myself. Do they believe their lies? And I'll give you an example. It is a gigantic lie that

01:06:58.160 President Trump ever said there were good Nazis. He never said that. He said there were good people

01:07:03.460 and bad people about the people pro and anti-statues. There were two different demonstrations.

01:07:10.120 After he condemned white supremacists. I'm sorry?

01:07:13.300 After he condemned explicitly the white supremacists on site. Yes, exactly. We have a video on that too,

01:07:18.380 the Charlottesville lie, which Steve Cortez gives it also at PragerU. People told these are all five

01:07:24.180 minutes. People should all see them and show them to friends if the friends will devote five minutes

01:07:28.940 to something they differ with. It's a gigantic lie that the President said they were good Nazis.

01:07:34.780 It's absurd on prima facie because the man has a Jewish daughter and Jewish grandchildren. So he

01:07:41.960 thinks there are fine people who want to murder his children. I mean, even the biggest Trump hater

01:07:48.620 has to enter the twilight zone to believe that. So the question is, do they really believe it? And

01:07:54.820 yes, a lot of them do really believe what they say. When they say America is systemically racist,

01:08:01.740 I think a lot of them believe it. I don't think it's money. It's ideology. The Bolsheviks in Russia

01:08:07.360 were not animated by money. These are true believers. One must understand that leftists are,

01:08:13.700 to leftism, what an evangelical Christian is to Christianity. They're not in it for the money,

01:08:19.420 evangelical Christians. They're in it for the belief system. Leftism gives these empty souls,

01:08:26.400 and every leftist has an empty soul. They're devoid of significant meaning. So they have grasped onto

01:08:33.400 this nihilistic venture called leftism. Do you know there's so little racism in America? I have a

01:08:39.140 proof for it. The number of race hoaxes in this country is greater than the number of actual

01:08:45.060 racial incidents. Jussie Smollett was the best known, but not the only. Well, I mean, there's no

01:08:50.960 question that there have been more and more race hoaxes. And what's always heartening when you see

01:08:54.900 them is members of the Black community speak out against them and say, this is absurd, right? Like,

01:09:00.000 we don't need this and it's not helpful. But it doesn't help to have somebody at the top like Joe

01:09:05.840 Biden fanning these flames. You know, Trump fanned flames in another way. You know, his rhetoric

01:09:11.380 wasn't helpful. And Biden's doing his own thing. And so I want to ask you, you know, you say you

01:09:17.760 loathe him with the amount of fervor that the Trump fans loved Trump. No, no, with the amount of

01:09:24.400 fervor that the anti-Trumpers hated Trump. Okay, hated Trump. Okay. So where do you think Biden goes

01:09:31.620 from here? It seems to me the bluster is leaving his overall policy approach and the way he speaks

01:09:39.420 about himself. Transformational, transformational. That's what everybody said about him. And then I

01:09:43.400 heard him saying the other day, and I'm quoting here, I hear all the folks on TV saying, why doesn't

01:09:48.280 Biden get this done or that done? Well, because Biden only has a majority of effectively four votes

01:09:53.760 in the House and a tie in the Senate with two members of the Senate who vote more with my Republican

01:09:58.080 friends, which isn't true. He's talking about Manchin and Sinema. Not true. But that's a far

01:10:03.240 different cry from transformational. You know, he got his $1.9 trillion COVID relief through with all

01:10:10.160 these liberal wishlist items on it. But it is now looking like he is not going to get his two other

01:10:17.500 big proposals through for a total of $4.1 trillion. His infrastructure bill and his big family plan,

01:10:25.060 there's money for climate change items, free community college, universal pre-K, subsidized

01:10:31.160 child care, housing, paid leave, blah, blah. You list it. It's all, you know, liberal wishlist of

01:10:34.680 things. But he's not getting the votes. It doesn't look like he's going to get this through. And so

01:10:39.560 I'm starting to wonder whether he came in with a bang. You know, he's like, what is it? Like the

01:10:45.820 opposite of March comes in with like a lion, goes out with a lamb, like a lamb. He might be the opposite,

01:10:50.120 right? Or no, no, he might be March, came in with like a lion and went out like a lamb.

01:10:53.700 I don't know whether or not he can put anything through the Senate. It's because of the two people

01:11:01.020 you mentioned, mentioned in cinema. I don't know. The pressure on these people to stay with the

01:11:07.740 Democrats, big votes is so enormous. We can only imagine it. Look, yes, he is transformational

01:11:17.160 because Barack Obama said it. I played this on my radio show every month probably for eight years

01:11:25.740 when Barack Obama yelled into a microphone, we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the

01:11:36.040 United States of America. This was 2008. That's right. I said at the time, I don't want to

01:11:43.060 fundamentally transform the United States of America. The left does. And everything it

01:11:49.580 fundamentally transforms, it ruins. It's fundamentally transformed our universities, our high

01:11:54.660 schools and elementary schools. It's fundamentally transformed our arts institutions. Do you know

01:12:01.380 that because of my involvement in classical music, I follow the subject a great deal? New York Times

01:12:09.460 chief musical critic Anthony Tomasini wrote this past year that the New York Philharmonic should drop blind

01:12:21.140 auditions. For those of your listeners not aware, orchestras, in order not to be racist, in order not to be

01:12:31.420 sexist, created auditions where you didn't see the performer, the musician. They just played their

01:12:42.100 instrument. And so we've had blind auditions for decades now. Just to be utterly fair, we're not going to

01:12:51.620 take somebody we know, not a friend, not prefer a male, not prefer a white, not prefer a good-looking

01:13:00.320 person to a mediocre-looking person. How do you play the oboe? Period. It is as pure a merit choice as

01:13:11.880 exists, I think, in society. And the New York Times came out against it. You should take the black

01:13:19.720 oboist in any event. I mean, I'm not surprised because that's what we're seeing everywhere. You

01:13:26.900 know, the effort in California to write discrimination back into the law. Right. So you know what happens?

01:13:31.040 I'll tell you, this is so anti-black. So when United Airlines says, like Tomasini in the Times,

01:13:37.400 when they say, we are going to reserve 50% of our aviation schooling to blacks or people of color

01:13:44.160 and women, for the first time in my life, if in a few years I see a woman pilot or a pilot of color,

01:13:53.180 I will wonder, are they as good? I never, ever, I fly constantly. I fly every week of the year and

01:14:00.660 have for 20, 30, 40 years. And I've had women pilots and I've had pilots of color. It never

01:14:08.020 meant a thing to me, nothing. Now it will. Can I tell you something? It meant something to me

01:14:13.980 because I thought they've had to be even better. That's right. That's exactly correct.

01:14:18.380 incredible odds against them. I totally agree with you. Right. And there are certain things

01:14:22.900 where you don't, you don't want affirmative action. And I can say that as a woman, you know,

01:14:26.240 like I want the best flyer to get the job. And there are all sorts of different skill sets. Yes.

01:14:31.440 If there's some historical barrier to entry, I understand that. Take a hard look at whether

01:14:36.040 you're open-minded to skill sets, even if it comes in the form of a woman or if it comes from a black

01:14:40.820 person. Yes. If you feel there's actually a structural barrier, you should take it down.

01:14:45.140 Now, but you know, quotas for jobs like that, that involve public safety are just stupid. It's the

01:14:50.820 same way we shouldn't be opening the door to female firefighters. If they can't pass the test,

01:14:55.060 they got to go in and get bodies and get them out of there. If they're not strong enough to do it,

01:14:59.100 it's not anti-female to say they can't. So that's my wife said all the time. If there's a fire in the

01:15:05.800 house, she hopes men show up. I get that. I mean, listen, it's like if I, if somebody

01:15:14.660 God forbid, I lost somebody or I needed comfort or I, I'd rather have a woman, there are things

01:15:20.360 that we are better at. That's right. And so would I. And it's not sexist to acknowledge that. It's

01:15:25.460 like, I hate that we've got this point where we can't. No, it's beautiful. It's actually beautiful

01:15:28.700 to acknowledge that there are two different sexes. I, I feel so bad for kids today. The left has so

01:15:36.640 screwed them up and screwed up their childhood. For example, one of the glories of my childhood

01:15:44.440 was, was what are girls like? That's the glory of most men's childhood. Yes, exactly. Exactly. I mean,

01:15:54.820 the, the acknowledgement of boy, are they different? And, and the girls about, you know,

01:16:00.320 they go through the boy crazy period of, of their teens and some more than that. And that's good.

01:16:06.100 It's actually a good thing. What is the other sex like? And I'm not the other sex and what therefore

01:16:13.660 am I? This is, this is an, one of the most exciting and, and humanly developing aspects of

01:16:20.500 childhood. And it's been deprived of them. You're all identical. South Carolina, South Carolina

01:16:26.320 Carolina teachers announced years ago that teachers in elementary schools will no longer

01:16:32.620 call their kids, their, their students, boys and girls, but students. I, it makes, it makes me angry.

01:16:39.960 I feel it. I feel the loss of it. And I'll tell you what, my kids now they're, uh, 11, 10 and seven.

01:16:44.820 And when my now eldest was going into school, I read a great book called why gender matters.

01:16:50.920 And this is before, you know, this is not that long ago, right? He's only 11 and he went to school at,

01:16:55.740 we were making the decision around four, what, what K through 12 school he would go through.

01:17:00.640 Um, and this was an accepted book, positively reviewed by the New York times and talked about

01:17:05.100 the importance, uh, of all boy education and all girl education. If that's where you want to go and

01:17:09.980 what you'd get now, the whole world has turned on its head. Now that guy is a transphobe right now.

01:17:15.220 That guy gender doesn't matter at all. It's not a thing as a social construct. We're not allowed to

01:17:19.420 refer to biology or what we know are inherent differences between us. Well, I refuse. I see with

01:17:25.600 my eyes. I, I feel with my brain and my heart and you, you can't be told to abandon that after

01:17:32.360 in my case, 50 years of living it. That's correct. And I mentioned that, uh, what the left has done

01:17:38.620 to childhood. I'll give one more example to be raised, to believe your past is evil. Your present

01:17:46.500 is fraught with danger and your future is an existential threat to existence. This is what the

01:17:53.020 left does to children. As an American, your past is evil. You're present. You may die of a virus.

01:18:00.880 You can't go to school. You can't play with other kids. And if you do the, even outdoors,

01:18:06.260 you have to wear masks and your future is very up in the air, whether you will actually live out a life

01:18:16.320 because of global warming. Right. This is the antithesis of American childhoods all through

01:18:23.680 our life. Pride in America's past while understanding that there were evils that were

01:18:29.140 done. These evils, just for those who went to school and don't think clearly, the evils of America

01:18:36.680 were universal. The goodness of America was unique. That's the point.

01:18:42.020 That's right. That's absolutely right. And that's, and it's up to us to sort of, you know,

01:18:46.980 we talked to Ben Shapiro about this, take your kid to church on Sunday or a synagogue and take

01:18:52.140 your kid to the 4th of July parade. And if you don't have one in your town, create something

01:18:57.600 meaningful. We're doing that right now. I'm, I'm in the process of planning this big blowout 4th of

01:19:02.100 July party about with patriotism and patriotic songs and readings because there isn't actually a 4th of

01:19:08.560 July, July parade in the town where we go in the summer. And we had to start doing it. We did it

01:19:14.340 on Memorial Day. You know, we talk about how great our country is all the time, but these rituals

01:19:18.580 matter. Rituals are everything. Rituals are everything. You can't survive as a people without

01:19:24.600 ritual. The Jews are around for 3,200 years because of ritual. It's one of the great lessons.

01:19:31.200 The Catholics do it well too. I mean, even the, you know, when we had the Latin masses and, you know,

01:19:36.080 you go in there and you don't know really necessarily why you're standing, when you're

01:19:38.820 standing, why you're kneeling, while you're kneeling, why you're, why you're saying what

01:19:41.260 you're saying, but it, the ritual of it is a, it bonds you. And it does give you a back to your

01:19:46.060 original point. Meaning it does give you meaning and takes up your time in a way that actually is

01:19:51.560 useful and positive as opposed to just leading to boredom and false profits, right? False

01:19:57.980 profits. That's what it is. That's so, that's why we're giving them meaning. As I, another piece I

01:20:03.240 wrote a few years ago, uh, uh, on the statue issue, I, the title of the piece pretty much

01:20:08.900 said it all. The left fight statues, the right fights evil.

01:20:16.660 So what, what happens now? What do you think Joe Biden, what is his remaining term look like?

01:20:23.880 And what is his legacy setting up to be given the very real reality that, you know, the first

01:20:29.560 half of his statement was true. He, he, he does only have a small majority in the house

01:20:35.000 and a tie in the Senate. And so, and there, and there's a reason for that. The American people did

01:20:39.840 not vote for big sweeping transformational change. That's right. But it doesn't matter. Do you know,

01:20:47.380 again, this is my field. And so most people have heard of the Bolsheviks that they don't know

01:20:53.620 anything about them, except maybe they know they were the communists run by Lenin, the Russian

01:20:58.800 revolution. So you'll find this fascinating. Bolshevik means majority Nick. Bolshoi in Russian

01:21:05.900 means big. Bolshoi ballet is the big ballet. So they took the name, they were in the minority.

01:21:13.040 The Mensheviks were in the majority. The Mensheviks were not communists. They were more socialist.

01:21:20.180 And the Menshevik, Menshe means less. So it was the majority Nicks versus the minority Nicks.

01:21:27.260 However, the majority was in the minority. They called themselves the majority. That's what,

01:21:34.840 that's what we're told all the time by the left. We represent the American people or, or even,

01:21:41.640 or even liberals. They don't even represent them. They're Bolsheviks. They've taken on this name.

01:21:48.500 One, one further comment, if I may. Yeah. I think Joe Biden or any democratic president is irrelevant.

01:21:59.840 The, the, the issue is leftism, not individuals. If he were not president, what difference would it

01:22:06.360 make? If Buttigieg were president, would anything be different? If Harris were president, would anything

01:22:11.600 be different? If AOC were president, would anything be different? They're interchangeable. Leftism is in

01:22:18.440 charge. Joe Biden is the figurehead of leftist policy. He, he lived his life largely as a liberal,

01:22:27.780 but you can't survive as a liberal in the democratic party. And you can't survive it because you want to

01:22:35.360 be thought well of by the New York times, or as I put it often, there are two groups in America,

01:22:42.100 those who fear the New York times and those who fear God. Thanks for staying with us this far. The end of the

01:22:48.360 episode and who's coming up on our next show is right after this quick break.

01:22:56.520 Joe Biden, you know, he was, he was the moderate and that's what we were told.

01:23:00.760 Yes, exactly. And I knew, I knew he was a fraud. Of course it was. Any democratic,

01:23:05.060 who became, becomes president is the leftist. That's what runs the democratic party. And that's

01:23:11.040 fine. I mean, let's, but it's, it's not fine in the sense that I'm happy with it, but it's fine to,

01:23:15.880 to, to acknowledge truth. Biden is irrelevant to the discussion. The, the issue is leftism. And as I

01:23:23.640 said earlier in our dialogue, the tragedy of our time is that liberals vote for leftists.

01:23:31.560 Right. Well, and that's, you know, what's going to be interesting next time around is

01:23:36.540 who are these disaffected liberals going to gravitate toward? Because we don't have

01:23:42.460 Trump to kick around anymore. And Trump, even though Trump was really kind of nonpartisan

01:23:49.680 coming into the race, you know, he was, he said what he needed to say to shore up some of the

01:23:53.780 religious right. Nobody really believed he'd read the Bible or had strong feelings about

01:23:57.780 the life issue and so on. But he, but he was the most pro-life president we've seen in a

01:24:02.180 generation. But my point is simply, they don't have him. So who, who could they get behind?

01:24:08.500 Could they support a governor, Ron DeSantis? I don't, I don't know. You mean liberals? You're

01:24:13.900 talking about liberals. Yeah. As opposed to leftists. Not leftists. No, liberals. Because the New York

01:24:17.880 Times will attack DeSantis as strongly as it attacked Donald Trump. That's right. So people should

01:24:23.840 be aware of that. It's an excellent question. Look, I'm a Jew from New York. By definition,

01:24:31.360 I was a Democrat. And on my birth certificate, it had gender and party. And according to the

01:24:37.920 left, party is immutable, gender is changeable. So, but I, I, I mutated. And I tell you exactly

01:24:46.080 when it happened. I was a Democrat until Reagan. And Reagan said something which shows you how

01:24:53.100 important. And I, an idea said persuasively and concisely does not necessitate a book.

01:25:02.380 And I, and I write books. I think books are critical. Nevertheless, he said, and this transformed

01:25:08.280 me. He said, government is not the solution. It's the problem. Yeah. And that's when I became

01:25:14.100 a Republican. And that was, then I realized, wait a minute, whoa, all the evil, the gigantic

01:25:21.620 evils of the bloodiest century in recorded history, the 20th century, communism and Nazism,

01:25:28.060 they were all done by big governments. Nobody talks about this. Nobody. They're all religion. It's the

01:25:35.620 greatest killer of humans in history. That's, that's, that's, there's such dishonesty. It doesn't

01:25:40.840 compare to communism. It doesn't compare. No century had, had the deaths of, uh, by religion.

01:25:50.240 That was a hundred million people, not combatants were killed by communism and nobody gives a damn.

01:25:55.540 How many kids at Harvard, uh, uh, ever can identify the Gulag archipelago? It's an astonishing thing

01:26:04.560 that a virtually none could. The mass slaughter factory. I don't know how many could identify

01:26:11.660 Auschwitz. You, you wonder, and I'm not kidding. When I meet college kids, I, do you learn anything

01:26:19.640 in high school? Do you learn anything in college? And the answer is they learn very little. They

01:26:26.080 learn that America is systemically racist. What do you want to hear something about? So friends of

01:26:32.180 ours, friends of friends, I should say here in New York had their kids in these very tiny private

01:26:36.900 schools and they moved down to Florida for the pandemic because they wanted a more open and free

01:26:42.220 life and they wanted their kids to actually go to school. So they did that and they put their kids

01:26:46.900 in the Florida public school system. And we're saying recently their kids were way behind their

01:26:54.400 kids knew all there was to know about anti-racism and supportive trans people and the LGBTQ community

01:27:01.020 and you know, all the virtues that you're supposed to learn early on to be a good faithful New York

01:27:05.760 leftist, which is what they're breeding all of our kids debate. But when actually seated next to other

01:27:11.240 children who knew math, who knew reading, who knew literature, who knew social studies, they were

01:27:17.700 flailing. They didn't have the data. And I actually have hope this, I loved that story because when,

01:27:25.280 you know, these parents, the thing they care most about is getting little Johnny into Harvard. And when

01:27:30.900 little Johnny doesn't get into Harvard, because at some point you actually do have to spew forth

01:27:36.200 knowledge on exams and that their kid doesn't measure up, maybe that will be an inflection

01:27:42.160 point. That is a very important story. I think it needs to be publicized. I have kids call my radio

01:27:49.820 show. Often, I wouldn't say regularly, but often. And I know within 30 seconds, I would say my batting

01:28:01.260 average is 950. Identifying whether the kid is homeschooled or not. Oh. The intelligence, the

01:28:12.260 maturity, the non-jadedness. And of course, I will admit there is another giveaway. They call me Mr.

01:28:20.700 Prager. That's exactly right. I hate the trend of kids calling grownups by their first names. I never

01:28:28.820 allow it. Even in communities where they do it, I'll say, I'll let them call me Mrs. Brunt by my

01:28:35.400 husband's last name, even though I go by Megan Kelly. But anyway, I agree with you. It's just a

01:28:39.300 sign of respect. It's old school. You know, but it's good because life consists of distinctions and

01:28:47.140 one of them is adult and child. And children thrive when there are adults. They don't want parents to

01:28:56.400 be pals. They want parents to be figures of authority. It gives them security.

01:29:01.540 So true. That is so true. It's exactly right. We've gotten away from that. And in fact, it is

01:29:06.500 here in New York City that the first name trend is on fire. I remember my own mom saying to me

01:29:12.860 something to the effect of I was complaining because she was disciplining me. And she said,

01:29:18.420 Megan, you're not my friend. I'm not your friend. I have enough friends and so do you. I'm your

01:29:23.460 mother. And I have a different role. And God, that was so true.

01:29:27.820 I have to say that whatever issues you might have had with your mother, and almost everyone

01:29:34.580 has issues with a parent, you were very lucky that you had a mother who said that.

01:29:41.800 You know what, Dennis? I have to say I'm really lucky because I actually don't have very many

01:29:45.420 issues with my mom at all. I had a really practical, down-to-earth, funny mom who was Catholic,

01:29:52.960 very observant, built that into us as well, although I'm less observant, but still a believer,

01:29:59.380 who didn't take herself or this life too seriously and couldn't be swept up in partisanship if her

01:30:05.620 life depended on it. And that was passed down. You know, the ability to laugh, that's what I miss.

01:30:12.520 And these people who are so hard partisans left us as a column.

01:30:15.440 Oh, they don't know. Right?

01:30:16.700 Listen, I've written a book on happiness. I really do know the subject well.

01:30:20.760 I broadcast the Happiness Hour. I have since 1999, every Friday, the second hour of my radio show.

01:30:27.300 I have thought this issue deeply through. And here is something that is critical.

01:30:35.760 Another factor in the leftist, aside from having to find meaning because they have been bereft of it,

01:30:44.520 is they are not happy. There are happy and unhappy liberals, happy and unhappy conservatives. There

01:30:52.380 are no happy leftists.

01:30:54.360 And really, the ability to not take yourself too serious or even just-

01:30:58.340 Oh, God. That's the most absent thing on the left.

01:31:03.000 Right? My mom was just telling me she was, I don't know, she was at the grocery store or something,

01:31:07.180 and there was some guy who was, you know, my mom's going to be 80 in July. He was checking her out.

01:31:11.380 She says to me, I still got it. I never lost it.

01:31:15.540 I love it. You really were lucky. Listen, you know, I have a theory. And I think your listeners

01:31:24.220 will find this interesting. So again, my biggest project now, aside from PragerU, my radio, et cetera,

01:31:30.040 the biggest writing project of my life is my five-volume commentary on the first five books

01:31:36.300 of the Bible. I know biblical Hebrew very well. I've been teaching this my whole life. And I point

01:31:40.400 out that in Genesis, the Bible does people a tremendous favor. Every family in the book of

01:31:50.400 Genesis, from Adam and Eve on, is dysfunctional. And I tell people, this is a favor the Bible is doing

01:31:59.220 to all of us, saying, you know what? If you have dysfunctional elements in your family,

01:32:06.140 welcome to the normal human condition. That's right. Well, can I tell you something else?

01:32:12.440 I think a lot of people labor around worrying that it's only their family that is effed up,

01:32:18.380 right? Like they're thinking, oh my God, nobody else has this dark secret. And exactly, exactly.

01:32:24.780 Everybody does. It's just some people speak more openly about it.

01:32:28.160 Well, let me ask you about your book, because as somebody, I confess, I don't understand the

01:32:32.600 Bible that well. I'm not somebody who's read it forward and backward. I mean, I went through

01:32:36.080 religious education and all that, but how will this work? I will read the Bible, and then I will

01:32:41.440 read book one of yours? Or how is this going to work?

01:32:45.880 Okay. So thus far, Genesis and Exodus, the first two are out. Third volume, which is the fifth book,

01:32:52.720 Deuteronomy, is out in October. It's called The Rational Bible. When I write these books,

01:33:00.720 I am explaining verse by verse what's going on. No one, untutored, can read the Bible and fully

01:33:08.640 understand it. It's just the way it is.

01:33:10.420 Exactly. That's been my experience. Very frustrating.

01:33:12.320 I wrote this for you, but do you know who I have in mind when I'm writing it? A rural Chinese peasant

01:33:19.060 who never heard of Moses, who never heard of Adam and Eve. And I know in my mind, this has to

01:33:28.020 explain these verses to this person. The wisdom of these books has been my secret weapon my whole

01:33:36.460 life. I'll give you one out of thousands of examples. God saves Noah because the world is

01:33:43.480 evil. He destroys it. By the way, I defend God's decision in the Rational Bible. Anyway, because God

01:33:51.600 is preoccupied with good and evil. And if the world screws itself up, he's got to try it again. I'm in

01:33:56.960 favor of what he did. Anyway, and it says he saved one person, Noah. And here is what it says. Noah was a

01:34:04.240 righteous man in his generations. Why does it say in his generations? Why doesn't it just say Noah

01:34:10.440 was a righteous man? And this explains exactly what we should be doing today with Washington,

01:34:17.840 Jefferson, and Madison. You judge people in their generations. Where did I learn this? From the book

01:34:27.200 of Genesis. Hmm. Now, if I read the Dennis Prager Rational Bible, do I have to have the Bible handy?

01:34:34.900 No, because no, no, the text is in it. The text is there. Perfect. Perfect. Because there's only so much

01:34:40.640 time in the day. That's right. I confess I haven't read the first three volumes, but I'm going to get

01:34:45.800 this. Abby's not with me today. Today it's Dani. Hi, Dani. She's normally our booker, but today she's playing

01:34:50.980 Abby. I want that. So let's, I'm going to order and I'm going to start. And should you do that,

01:34:56.660 it would be a highlight in my life to talk about it with you. If people, the atheist will gain wisdom

01:35:04.420 from this. Your faith is irrelevant to my explanations. Well, I mean, as you mentioned before,

01:35:13.520 these religious stories, precepts, ideas, they form the foundation for our society. And the more

01:35:20.820 we distance ourselves from them, the more it reflects, right? The more you can see it reflecting

01:35:27.540 in society. And it concerns me as somebody who isn't as well read on, on this stuff as I should

01:35:32.520 be. It was a long time ago that I had the religious education I had. Right now I'm getting my kids into

01:35:37.540 it, which is important, but it's not the same as actually studying. And I've seen people transformed.

01:35:43.040 You're doing a great favor to them. I have seen alcoholics start to read the Bible and pull

01:35:48.860 themselves out of the depths of that despair. Yes, there is no other method. AA is based on God.

01:35:53.920 That's right. There is no secular substitute for AA. Well, off I go. I got to go. I got to go read

01:36:01.300 your book. Well, bless you. Dennis, it's always such a pleasure. I love speaking with you. It's mutual.

01:36:08.020 Thank you.

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01:36:19.160 it's fair to say is of the left. And I don't know, a few years ago had a bit of an awakening where he

01:36:25.720 started to, he made a conscious decision to take a hard look at the way he was thinking, the way he was

01:36:30.000 being fed information and the way everything is hyper-partisan in today's America. And had the

01:36:36.440 presence of mind to stop, reconsider that, and try to get educated on how to stop it.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - June 04, 2021

Dennis Prager on the Leftward Drift in Schools, Secular Extremism, and American Exceptionalism ｜ Ep. 111

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