A major moment in the 2024 race for the White House! Florida Governor Ron DeSantis will officially announce he is entering the race, and the way he s doing it is absolutely fascinating. He s going to have a live Twitter conversation with Elon Musk, and that conversation will be moderated by friend of The Megyn Kelly Show, David Sachs.
00:12:23.860Marco Rubio sent a letter saying this is really offensive.
00:12:26.900He wrote the sisters, quote unquote, are men who dress in lewd imitations of Roman Catholic nuns.
00:12:32.280The group's motto, go and sin some more, is a perversion of Jesus's command to go and sin no more.
00:12:37.720The group's Easter ceremony features children's programming, followed by a drag show where adult performers dress in blasphemous imitations of Jesus and Mary.
00:12:46.060The group hosts pub crawls, mocking the Stations of the Cross, even the Eucharist, the sacrament that unites more than one billion Catholics around the world.
00:12:55.480America, you can mock religion if you want to.
00:12:57.380Bill Maher did a whole movie doing exactly that.
00:12:59.480But to be honored at Pride Night by a mainstream group like the L.A. Dodgers with the accompanying statement, mission statement of the night to which is we want to be as inclusive and welcoming to everyone as we can, is extremely controversial.
00:13:20.360So Marco Rubio sent a letter and the Dodgers back down and said, hey, we didn't mean to cause controversy.
00:14:00.260And again, I think they're going to have a bud effect because that community, anybody goes down to Los Angeles the last 20 years, it's one of the largest Mexican communities in the world.
00:14:14.380And they've already expressed outrage when trans activists broke into, and abortion activists have broken into masses in Los Angeles.
00:14:22.420People, Mexican-American people in attendance forcibly removed them.
00:14:28.100And I can tell you, that's one issue here where I live in a community that's 95% Mexican-American.
00:14:35.260And I have siblings that have been married to Mexican-American women.
00:14:38.160And I can tell you that is an issue that does not resonate with the Mexican-American community, the Latino community, radical transgender activism.
00:14:46.120The other thing about it is they're not just asking them, Megan, to perform.
00:14:52.440As you said, they're rewarding and honoring them as if they're valuable social activists in the sense of equity, inclusion.
00:16:05.980They don't have any idea what those people think.
00:16:08.120So I think it's going to be a disastrous turn of events for the Dodgers.
00:16:12.040And the fact that they caved and looked very weak.
00:16:14.940I mean, everything they said initially by revoking that invitation, what does that mean now?
00:16:23.040Does that mean they weren't sincere the first time?
00:16:24.840Or they put their finger in the wind and just decide where the perceived money and influence was?
00:16:29.900Yeah, well, so we'll get back to the other controversies that you ticked off because there are updates on all of them, Bud Light and Fox News and so on.
00:16:37.340But I want to stay on DeSantis for a minute.
00:16:40.760The reaction to him, I mean, just for the people who think he's Trump without the baggage.
00:16:44.900OK, he will be Trump without the tweets.
00:16:46.700I think, you know, to some extent that may be true.
00:16:49.080You know, some people think he's going to be more like a Paul Ryan type Republican.
00:16:52.820I don't know about that, but I don't think he's going to have the errant tweets.
00:16:56.540But, Victor, you tell me, I don't think it matters because the left will paint him as just as erratic and incendiary and racist and sexist and all the ists as Trump.
00:18:49.280But it's not dangerous, apparently, for me to live here.
00:18:51.280And you know what, it's this jumping the shark on all of these issues that people are starting to say, you know what, this is surrealistic.
00:19:00.320This is pushing the envelope so far that we're in a cultural malice revolution, whether it's the Dodgers and the transgender or Bud Light or the NAACP or what we saw on the subway.
00:19:13.020And the common denominator on all of these themes is it's absolutely absurd.
00:19:17.560And people are saying, you know what, what can't go on won't go on.
00:19:20.780Here in California, Megan, we had the $800 billion reparations and we're $32 billion in debt on our annual deficit.
00:19:31.780Nobody knows where the money comes from.
00:19:33.460Nobody knows after eight generation who's a victim and who's a victimizer.
00:19:55.980And then it was just announced that it's lost millions of dollars because of rampant indiscriminate spending, mansions for the former leadership and crony hiring of their own siblings.
00:20:06.960And it can't leverage corporations anymore about guilt or protection money after the riots.
00:20:26.300And they're pushing these cultural, social, revolutionary changes that it's Maoist.
00:20:35.060And they're not going to get away with it because now people see that if you were to enact what they're doing on energy and the border, on race, you wouldn't have a country left.
00:20:42.580So I think we're on the verge of a great revival or something or a correction.
00:20:49.560The constant messaging on race, as we saw there.
00:20:52.600OK, black people, it's not safe for them to go to Florida anymore.
00:21:04.520But this was her reaction to Tim Scott entering the race as well, suggesting he really just doesn't understand what it's like to be a black man in America.
00:21:18.580And he's one of these guys who, you know, he's like Clarence Thomas, black Republican who believes in pulling yourself by your bootstraps, rather than to me, understanding the systemic racism that African-Americans face in this country and other minorities.
00:22:14.740But if you look at the way that Joy Behar lives, her income and who she associates with, it's pretty much an apartheid existence as all these people.
00:23:24.240So what they do is they just keep pounding that issue, pounding that issue that without this white, bi-coastal privilege elite, that black Americans would be at the mercy of, I don't know, people in East Palestine, Ohio or something.
00:23:47.680I turned on the television today, Megan, and the uncle of Jordan Neely, the person who was killed on the subway, was lecturing us about Penny.
00:24:06.480And he had two outstanding arrest warrants.
00:24:09.680And he's lecturing us about what Penny did to his nephew.
00:24:15.080And he has trumped his nephew's lawlessness.
00:24:18.000And the idea that the left can make this perpetual criminal into some Christlike figure.
00:24:22.820And Penny, who was a Marine and tried to, I think, perceived he was protecting people who were otherwise vulnerable on the subway into a demon.
00:25:20.740Let me give you a flavor for where we think DeSantis' message will go because they've released a campaign video yesterday called America is Worth the Fight.
00:25:29.100It's a little preview, probably, of what we're going to hear tonight and how he's going to kick off the campaign, the messaging.
00:25:34.080Listen to that and tell you, and then you tell me whether you think he can get past the 800-pound gorilla.
00:25:38.000They call it faith because in the face of darkness, you can see that brighter future, a faith that our best days lay ahead of us.
00:26:37.020But my point in raising that is that I think DeSantis knows that.
00:26:41.000And I don't see why we don't want an open primary.
00:26:44.900I think it would be good for the party.
00:26:46.520The only thing I would advise DeSantis is, I think it would be wise for him to say now, when he's down in the polls, that he will support the nominee.
00:26:58.720And he expects, more importantly, that every candidate will support the nominee and pledge so now.
00:27:05.040Because in 2016, they did that pledge and they all reneged on it.
00:27:09.140Or I shouldn't say all, but many of them did.
00:27:13.200And I think it would be good for Trump to say, and I think he would probably feel no compunction about saying it, that he would support the nominee because he's assured that he thinks it's going to be himself.
00:27:22.440But it would help everybody in the party to just, for DeSantis to say that especially.
00:27:27.580And I think that would, because I think he's going, we're going to see, I think we're going to see a surge.
00:27:33.040We're going to see a surge in his fundraising, and we're going to see a surge as his candidacy continues.
00:27:41.640I'm not sure that it's wise for those, these Trump nightly commercials to attack him from the left almost.
00:27:47.760They're attacking him on Social Security, on budgeting, on attack, and going after Disney.
00:27:52.660And I don't know how you can say that he's not, on one hand, a lot of the operatives are saying he's not a true conservative.
00:28:00.300But when you actually look at, on abortion, and on Disney, and on budgeting, and Social Security, Trump's commercials are attacking him from the left.
00:28:09.740And they're saying he's too much of a right-wing zealot.
00:28:12.260And I think it would be much smarter for Trump to run commercials that don't attack DeSantis personally and just say, we've got a lot of people that want to inherit, you know, the MAGA mantle.
00:28:25.140But it's like having sunshine without the sun.
00:28:32.320But if you're going to, but otherwise, the idea that in that midterm election, that the one bright spot was Florida, and how he changed that state, and everybody agreed with him, left, right, independent, and then to go after him as some, I don't think it's viable.
00:28:50.360I know the, I understand the strategy to strangle the baby in the cradle right away, hit him so quick, so hard, that he implodes, or says something stupid, or, but I don't think, if he survives this initial assault, I think he's going to gain traction.
00:29:05.440And I think, in a strange way, all of these timed, left-wing, unfair, vicious ads against Trump, Bragg hands off to Lutita James, she hands off to Willis, Willis hands off to Smith.
00:29:18.480Thousand cuts, and you're going to see Trump in court, or being sued, or government indictments from now until the election.
00:29:27.660And at some point, if he can't stop that, people are going to say, this is so unfair, but I'm tired, it's monotonous.
00:29:35.440And so, he's got to find a way to circumvent that, and attacking on social media, these particular DAs, rather than, you know, there's a way to defend himself, and gain empathy, without playing into their hands.
00:29:50.260So, you can see what the left is doing, they're going back to 2016, and that is, build Trump up, give him empathy, but at the same time, ensure that if he, when he gets a nominee, he's not going to be a viable candidate.
00:30:03.420Well, and on that front, Victor, we just found out, we just found out that this trial of the Alvin Bragg criminal case against Trump, you know, his bookkeeping, around the stormy Daniels, hush payments, has now been scheduled for March 25th, 2024, which would make it three weeks after Super Tuesday.
00:30:25.640The New York Times reports that Trump, who appeared via video at the hearing, appeared to react angrily when the trial date was announced by the judge, that his microphone was muted, and it was unclear what he was saying to the lawyer seated next to him.
00:30:40.020There's no video of it that we've seen. It's just the Times reporters in the court saw it. That, that's all by design. I mean, this is 100% a political prosecution of Trump.
00:30:52.160And it's, as you point out, you listed the names of the prosecutors sniffing around him as well. Um, the one in Atlanta, the, the special counsel, they are going to come for him. Those other two cases, if anything, are stronger. This New York case is a joke.
00:31:04.780I don't believe in the other two cases either. But if you had to stack them, you'd say the other ones have a better shot, um, legally, just on the papers. And so they are going to come for him. And you're right. This is going to be the albatross around. I mean, maybe that's what DeSantis is thinking too, that I don't need to take down the gorilla. You know, Alan Bragg's going to do it.
00:31:22.760No, I think that's, I've looked through all of what he's said, and I think I can, I think you and I can see a pattern with DeSantis and it's sort of, I get, even he gets mad.
00:31:34.360That are more like, this is horrible what they're doing to Donald Trump, but they're doing it to you as well as to Donald Trump. He is the avatar, but they're going after you. And at this late date in this Republic, we have no margin of error. We can't afford to give them any ammunition. So I can tell you that while they'll go after me, I'm not going to have the same exposure as Donald Trump. There's not going to be a stripper in my past or any woman that comes forward, et cetera, et cetera.
00:32:03.020In other words, he's, he's going to have to thread that needle to show empathy for the horrendous things they're doing to Donald Trump. But at the same time, suggesting that it's really, it's not all about Donald Trump as Donald Trump, as he will say, is making it.
00:32:21.180It's about an attack on traditional America and any resistance against this progressive project. And more importantly, I'm not going to give him the exposure and endanger you guys.
00:32:31.400So that's the messaging. But also for DeSantis, it's a waiting game. Just wait, you know, while the little boat is bobbing next to you in the water and some third party just keeps loading it up with heavy weights. All you have to do is wait long enough for the boat to go down and then you're still there.
00:32:50.400I mean, that's got to be part of his strategy because Trump's biggest threat is most likely these Democrat prosecutors and Ron DeSantis can count on them.
00:32:58.780He can condemn them. He can say they're terrible. But as a political matter, let's face it, he's probably rooting for it.
00:33:04.320You know, as we find out tonight at 6 p.m., he wants the same job Trump has.
00:33:08.440All right. Stand by, Victor. There's so much more to get to. We're going to squeeze in a quick break.
00:33:11.700Much, much more with VDH on the opposite side of this.
00:33:14.200So a couple of updates for you. Victor Bud Light remains, as you point out, down 25 percent in its sales.
00:33:23.700That was as of the May 13th week ending, which is the most recent data we have.
00:33:27.420Meanwhile, the Human Rights Campaign, which is the group that gives these corporate equality index scores, and it's an absurd thing.
00:33:35.660They used to be sort of a normal gay rights group. Now they've gone completely over the line when it comes to trans issues.
00:33:43.340And unless you believe a man can become a woman and has access to all women's spaces, they're going to downgrade your score.
00:33:48.940They're threatening Bud Light. They're now threatening Anheuser-Busch, saying we have suspended your corporate equality index score.
00:33:54.360Well, while while you consider your behavior in not more vocally supporting the Dylan Mulvaney campaign, no response as far as we can find yet from Bud Light to that.
00:34:09.780The woman who runs Human Rights Campaign, by the way, is named Kelly Robinson.
00:34:13.140She worked as a political organizer organizer for Obama's campaign in 08.
00:34:17.080She recently tweeted trans women are women. That's it. That's the tweet.
00:34:23.220So what do you think Bud Light is likely to do now while under threat on its corporate equality index from the Human Rights Quick campaign, understanding that its sales are evaporating?
00:34:37.800Yeah, I think they're going to run an internal survey or they're going to conduct, I should say, an external survey and find out who is the more responsible for the drop off, whether it's the trans community or middle America.
00:34:51.900And then they're going to make the necessary adjustments. And they should understand they should learn from history about the wages of appeasement.
00:34:58.520You can't appease these people. The more that you appease them, the more they look at that weakness to be exploited rather than to be returned with magnanimity.
00:35:06.100They don't look at that way. It's for them. It's power.
00:35:08.520People who are weak deserve to be exploited. And same thing with the Dodgers. Once you give in to them, and you know that, Megan, when they come after you or me or anybody, that when you start to apologize, if you try to contextualize it, you're just asking for more.
00:35:25.040And anybody who does, you lose your supporters. And I think, why should I support him or this company when they won't support themselves?
00:35:32.900And so they've crossed the Rubicon. And whether they like it or not, their constituency is middle America and they've got to have to win it back or they're going to go and they're going to have to, they're going to be in big trouble.
00:35:42.780So Target is dealing with a similar incident right now because Target decided it would be a great idea to partner with a company that, as far as I can tell, one of its main lines seems to be some sort of pro-Satan line of clothing.
00:35:56.400They decided to willingly partner with this clothing manufacturer to make Pride Month gear that includes bathing suits that are, quote, tuck friendly, that have extra material around the crotch, which no woman needs because we don't have penises down south in Rio.
00:36:15.300We don't need extra material and we don't need tuck friendly. But the Target CEO is out there defending this, saying, look, the extra crotch wear and the tuck friendly bathing suits are important.
00:36:30.460That this whole line in the Pride department is a good business decision. It's the right thing for society. That's why they decided to do it.
00:36:38.640But if you look at the individual targets across America, they're feeling the wrath of the consumer, so much so that Fox News reported yesterday that states like South Carolina, Georgia, the more southern, more conservative states are now having to move the entire display into the back corners because they've had so many irate customers.
00:36:57.840I'm sure it includes a lot of parents going in there saying, get this out of here. I don't want to look at it. I don't want my kid to look at it. And I don't want to shop here if you're promoting it.
00:37:07.260Yeah. So, Megan, the question is, then, why did they do these things? And I think part of it is the vast transformation in corporate culture.
00:37:16.140It used to be that if you made it to an ad executive or a corporate, you were a guy who started delivering Coca-Cola, maybe.
00:37:23.520And then you worked up, you were a salesman, you were in delivery, you were in ads.
00:37:28.160But now what they're doing is they're bringing right out of the schools of business on the two coasts.
00:37:33.000And we saw that, as you remember, with the person who dreamed up the Mulvaney commercial.
00:37:38.060She had no experience in the actual working or the clientele of the corporation.
00:37:43.420But if you look at the schools of business, and I can tell you of being on the Stanford campus, it's a good example.
00:37:48.720They are bringing very young people that are woke and they're letting in people who are woke and their curriculum is woke.
00:37:56.340And then these corporations are hiring them at very high levels.
00:37:59.760And these people have never worked their way up.
00:38:02.100They have no affinity or contact with middle America or working class America.
00:38:06.480And they've made, they've almost ensured that these corporations are out of touch with anybody other than their own class and income.
00:38:15.040And so then they, what sounds really brilliant and, you know, I'm going to outwoke you in a board meeting and we're going to have a brainstorming and I'm more left-wing than he is.
00:38:24.580And I might get a, that's a prescription for suicide because they have no idea how they sound to normal people outside their small, their small little groups.
00:38:34.040And even the, you know, the, the partnering with this group that makes satanic clothing.
00:38:39.040I mean, it's reminding me of what's happening with the Dodgers.
00:38:41.020Like who cares if it offends Christians, not us.
00:38:43.640This group, these were not sold at Target, but this group, Ab Pralin, that they partnered with, has made products like a pin with the following statements.
00:38:59.440All right, so Target turned to them to make their new line of clothing, including baby onesies with rainbow patterns.
00:39:06.440And at one point selling their pride-related merch that read things like, we belong everywhere across the trans flag, too queer for here, cure transphobia, not trans people, and so on.
00:39:18.420And now they are having to have emergency meetings, according to this Fox report, because the customer base is so upset.
00:39:25.720And here's Gavin Newsom's response, all right, lest you're governor, lest he miss the opportunity to weigh in on something like this.
00:39:32.900He writes, CEO of Target, Brian Cornell, selling out, selling out the LGBTQ community to extremists is a real profile in courage.
00:39:43.320This isn't just a couple stores in the South.
00:39:45.080There's a systematic attack on the gay community happening across the country.
00:39:55.700So conflating the gay community with the trans community, whereas he knows very well those two happen to diverge dramatically.
00:40:01.960Just read the Andrew Sullivan piece that was posted this week.
00:40:04.220So, yeah, him trying to take issue with the fact that these stores are having to have emergency meetings because it's getting so dicey and so hostile thanks to this boneheaded decision in stores in the South in particular.
00:40:19.660Yeah, you know, Gavin Newsom is the political counterpart to what we were just talking about with this corporate culture related by marriage to Nancy Pelosi.
00:40:29.180They gave him all of these companies, corporations, starts.
00:40:33.800He's been a corporate left-wing artifact his entire life.
00:40:38.460He's never been outside of that small Pelosi, Feinstein, Barbara Boxer circle.
00:40:44.580It's very closely allied with Silicon Valley money now, Stanford University.
00:40:50.560And it's a very arrogant, insular group of people.
00:40:54.140And so when he weighs in on this, he has no idea about the trans, as you said, the tensions between working class gay people and this trans movement, nor does he understand how the trans people affect women's sports and how they've destroyed the aspirations of thousands of young girls that are competing from high school on the way up to college.
00:41:14.660Nor does he have any idea how average people, nor does he have any idea how average people feel about it.
00:41:18.380And so they're getting very, I guess I'm trying to get back to that theme.
00:41:24.260They're getting very risky because they're pushing a lot of these constituencies, African-American, adult males, Latino groups, working class whites that had voted for Biden.
00:41:37.440And they're pushing them and pushing them and pushing them as if their loyalty is guaranteed no matter what they do.
00:41:44.960And I think there are as many revolutionary groups is that their attitude is yesterday's, today's revolutionary is tomorrow's sellout.
00:41:54.060They just keep getting more and more radical each iteration.
00:41:57.780Okay, so we got to talk, on the subject of radical, and you pointed out, you mentioned Stanford, obviously not the only university to embrace the woke left.
00:42:07.640And that brings me to Hunter College in New York and this lunatic who just got fired, thank goodness, for holding a machete up to the neck of a New York Post reporter.
00:42:18.920Now, what was the New York Post reporter doing at this person's house?
00:42:21.760He went there because she was in the news yesterday for having, it happened earlier this month that the video just went public thanks to the student group.
00:42:28.500A pro-life group had a table on a display at Hunter College.
00:42:36.540We have that sound, but I think we're that original confrontation where she was very angry at the pro-life students just for saying, hey, consider pro-life.
00:43:15.780Look at this angry, angry, disrespectful person.
00:43:19.000Her name is Chalene Rodriguez, professor, again, at Hunter College, adjunct professor in the School of Visual Arts, who decides the students for life may not have a display.
00:43:28.520She says it's triggering and that it's violent.
00:44:47.320And then that's an illegal weapon in the state of New York.
00:44:50.680What's in her mind that thinks it's OK?
00:44:52.880And the answer is she looks at prosecutors throughout the United States and they feel that if you're of a protected, marginalized group status, you're going to be exempt.
00:45:04.060So she's criminally, she thinks she can do whatever she wants.
00:45:07.900And then, you know, I've been in academia for 50 years and they always prided themselves on something they call retention, promotion, tenure.
00:45:17.000This was a very exhaustive process where they went through your teaching, your scholarship, your behavior to audit you continually.
00:45:26.060And the same thing was true of admissions to go in, test scores, GPA, the ranking of your high school, you know, the whole drill.
00:45:34.340And we have destroyed all of that under the guise of diversity, equity and inclusion.
00:45:39.600And the result is that all these people are coming out of the woodwork and saying, you know what, it worked.
00:45:45.880All we have to do is call people racist and be in passive aggressive fashion.
00:45:55.780And when you destroy all sense of standards, criteria, meritocracy, and the criminal justice system follows suit, then you have, we're going to, we see this almost daily.
00:46:06.960And they made a mockery of the university.
00:46:08.800At Stanford University, it's the same thing.
00:46:12.420And it was, again, that thing was triggered, triggered, to use her term, by transgendered students.
00:46:17.620So that's, these are the wages of what happens when you destroy institutions and then you need them in extremists.
00:46:24.600I mean, now we need them, they're gone.
00:46:41.440Five years ago, she would have, she not only would have been fired for doing what she did at the table, but she would have been unhireable.
00:46:48.020Now, if she had not done the machete incident, she not only would have been lauded, but she probably would have got job offers or a promotion for what she did.
00:46:58.420Yeah, this, this just in, apparently she's, she's going to be honored by the LA Dodgers at their net.
00:47:56.180I want to start with an update on Tucker Carlson, the Daily Mail reporting based on these pictures that he is rebuilding the studio in his main home that Fox dismantled after booting him off the air.
00:48:13.260Good for him because Fox would have taken its camera and its lighting and its other equipment and they've got pictures of Tucker and his family trying to change it up.
00:48:22.020That's good news for those of us who would like to see him back on the air and using his voice.
00:48:26.080And he seems to be getting his act in order.
00:48:29.720Meantime, I had some thoughts on the Elon Musk, Ron DeSantis thing and how it relates to Fox News.
00:48:34.920Axios had a very interesting article today, and I agreed with a lot of what was in there.
00:48:39.220The headline is Musk moves in on Murdoch.
00:48:42.660Elon Musk has displaced Rupert Murdoch and Fox News as the king of conservative media in recent weeks.
00:48:50.560Fox News used to be the place where conservatives went to break news.
00:48:53.280But the right wing ecosystem has turned on the network, leaving Twitter as the center of media gravity for the Republican Party, just as the 2024 election heats up.
00:49:03.780Their examples of this are the fact that Tucker's ratings have cratered in the APM since he left, that Tucker's bringing a new version of his old Fox News show to Twitter.
00:49:15.220It's really it's it's going to be a subscription model, but he's going to post it via Twitter.
00:49:19.120And Ben Shapiro just announced that all of the Daily Wire podcasts are also going to be posted on Twitter beginning at the end of this month.
00:49:27.700And then on top of it all, you have Ron DeSantis.
00:49:30.800Now, he is going to sit for an interview with Trey Gowdy over on Fox News, but he's making the announcement on Twitter.
00:49:36.840He's not making the announcement on Fox News.
00:49:38.560That is a sea change for these Republican candidates.
00:49:42.280Trust me, I was the one in the anchor chair when a lot of these people came on to announce their candidacy back when I was still at Fox in the twenty twenty sixteen race.
00:49:50.880I mean, I could go down the list for you of the candidates who announced on our show and who we did in-depth profiles on sort of bringing their backstory to the viewers.
00:50:32.200They understand that it's not just Rupert's show anymore.
00:50:35.980We brought this to you yesterday after after that Harvard Harris poll that showed more independence now.
00:50:41.440Are turning to alternative alternative media sites for their news than any other news site than ABC, NBC, CBS, any of these Fox News.
00:50:51.200All of them more conservatives now than ever before are turning to alternative news sites like us, like digital media, not just us, but places like The Daily Wire and Glenn Beck and so on.
00:51:08.580He said you can't claim you've got a democracy if all the information voters receive before a presidential election has been curated by the people already in charge.
00:51:17.720And the Axios piece goes on to point out, look, on Monday, I mentioned this report to you.
00:51:23.560The Daily Signal had a really good, really good report about how Fox has gone super woke on all the trans ideology.
00:51:30.720I mean, not just their employee handbook, which they say, well, we have to comply with the laws in New York and California where we do business.
00:51:37.220But you don't have to crack down on Tucker's producers who want to refer to Dylan Mulvaney as a he, which the reporting in The Daily Signal says you did.
00:51:45.860You don't have to demand certain of the things that are in that report of all employees.
00:51:49.920You don't have to use words like gender affirming care, which plays into the left's narrative.
00:51:55.260You don't have to air reports talking about how if you don't let your daughter transition to a boy, you're going to wind up with a dead daughter instead of a live son.
00:52:03.640Those are left wing lies about the trans situation.
00:52:07.820And look, in 2022, when that report aired, we knew that we knew that by that point.
00:52:15.220And that's why The Daily Signal, which is owned by the Conservative Heritage Foundation, took a shot, a major shot at Fox News with that good reporting that I just mentioned.
00:52:24.900Then you've got Daily Wire's Matt Walsh reacting to that report, saying Fox News is fully woke on trans ideology and saying now that Tucker's gone, there's no stopping Fox's march leftward.
00:52:36.280They also point out that Carlson is preparing to unleash attacks on Fox News.
00:52:40.360We saw that report in an earlier piece by The Daily Beast, where Fox, Tucker was threatening that he's got a very large oppo research file on Fox News and is not afraid to use it if this thing gets even uglier.
00:52:56.800Now, I think it was a clever move by DeSantis.
00:52:58.640Yes, he'll go on Fox, but it's different.
00:53:00.220And had he just done this on, you know, the old APM time slot without fronting it first with Elon, it would be sending a message I don't think he wants to send, right, to the Tucker core viewership, which, once again, has not watched Fox.
00:53:15.960Just the latest update on the ratings, because I always bring them to you.
00:53:19.580Last night or Monday night is the most recent data we had.
00:53:22.260Terrible night up and down the channel.
00:54:11.780It's good for our ecosphere and our reporting.
00:54:14.700And I told you this long ago that the future of media is going to be the relationship between the audience and individual personalities.
00:54:21.120You cannot trust these large corporations that have an agenda.
00:54:25.900They have too much control over what you see and what you do not see.
00:54:29.380You need to figure out who you trust and who you don't trust, who will be honest with you, even when the facts are not pleasant for your side, but who will understand what's important to you, the consumer.
00:54:42.120In actually choosing stories and reporting on them.
00:54:51.060And the days of Rupert Murdoch having a monopoly on the conservative right are over.
00:54:57.640OK, we move on now to Kelly's court with an excellent legal panel today.
00:55:02.880There is tons of legal news to get to, including the latest in the Brian Kohlberger murder case, an unbelievable lawsuit by a trans woman challenge out of New York.
00:55:14.260More details on the city bike Karen case we brought to you yesterday and also E.
00:55:20.260Jean Carroll trying to take another shot at Trump based on that CNN town hall.
00:55:26.600Joining me now to discuss Peter Tragos, managing partner at the law offices of Tragos, Sartes and Tragos and host of The Lawyer You Know on YouTube and Beth Karras, former prosecutor and legal analyst.
00:56:29.820The the defendant was said to have sneaked into their house in the middle of the night with a knife, a K-bar knife, and have he sliced them to death.
00:56:43.260There were two other roommates inside the house, one of whom we believe slept through the whole thing, one of whom has told the police she woke up at some point and saw him leave the house.
00:56:53.420She had heard some sort of oral exchange, we believe, between the defendant and one of the victims where he said something to the effect of it's OK.
00:57:00.820You know, I'll keep you safe or I'll protect you or something to that effect.
00:57:04.760And now he faces the court to figure out what's what they were going to have a preliminary hearing where the prosecution was going to have to show all of its cards.
00:57:13.700They just got a grand jury indictment, which prevents the prosecution from having to put witness after witness on the stand and allowing the defense to cross examine them.
00:57:54.580Well, I mean, it is seven months before, so I suppose the defense will say that's too attenuated.
00:57:59.300But it is good evidence that they can now place a knife in his possession, something that if he bought, presumably he was possessing, not giving away.
00:58:07.180And consistent with what they believe to be the murder weapon, although the actual knife has never been recovered.
00:58:15.580And another detail that came out, if I can, if I may, is that he apparently burglarized another home in the past and sort of switched things around to just kind of play psychological games with the owners, not really stealing anything.
00:58:32.460And when I was reading about that and hearing about it, it immediately made me think about the Pettit family that was killed in 2007 in Cheshire, Connecticut.
00:58:39.820One of the two murderers, the house, they were killed and then the house was burned down.
00:58:46.280One of the two, Joshua Komar Sarjevsky, was a cat burglar who used to do just that.
00:58:50.940He would burglarize people's homes, switch their paintings, sometimes steal things, not always, but just mess with people's heads.
00:58:56.520And he perfected the skill of burglarizing and then he committed the ultimate act of raping and killing these two young members and the two young girls and their mother.
00:59:06.780But you got to wonder if Koberger also was sort of perfecting his burglary skills so he could stealthily get in homes without detection.
00:59:17.560I got to tip my hat to the Dateline team that they were my favorite people at NBC for what it's worth.
01:00:40.740So can you imagine how this young woman is feeling now that the reaction she must have had when she realized when we all heard that shocking news that they they arrested a suspect in this case of the four murders?
01:00:52.840And she found out it was this guy who had installed the cameras.
01:01:13.960And this is kind of another aspect of this case that I think is a really big deal.
01:01:16.980And that's the gag order, the nondissemination order, where these leaks are not supposed to happen.
01:01:21.720And sometimes when the leaks are not supposed to happen, sometimes there are reaches and there are stretches.
01:01:26.760And we hear if he's a suspect somewhere else.
01:01:29.600Now it fits into his serial killer profile perfectly.
01:01:33.060And it proves that not only did he commit these crimes, but he committed that crime.
01:01:37.220There is another way to look at it, that he was at least a trustworthy enough for this female student to ask him of all the people she could have asked to put the system in her home.
01:01:46.760It also begs the question that if he already had that access to her home and he had practiced it before and he had set up a security camera and had this information on her, why not choose her as the potential victim?
01:01:57.460I'm not saying he didn't do that, and I'm definitely not saying he didn't do the Idaho murders, because it seems like there is a lot of evidence.
01:02:04.260I just caution everybody to jump, not jump to conclusions, wait till we see what actual evidence comes out, because there is a gag order, and wait to see if those other similar bad acts, like breaking into other young females' apartments, comes into this trial.
01:02:19.120Because I think it would be relevant if they can prove by clear and convincing evidence on the other bad acts that he did, in fact, commit those crimes.
01:02:26.620And then you start piling up evidence that proves his guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.
01:02:30.560I'm just not there yet, piling on with all of these additional things we're hearing.
01:02:36.100Beth, the other piece of new information, this is also interesting, is that, you know, he was this TA at Washington State University where he was getting his graduate degree.
01:02:46.180At the time, he allegedly committed these murders.
01:02:47.940Now we learn, again, via NBC, that he had been fired.
01:02:52.820He'd been fired from that job in December.
01:02:56.100So it would have been right after the murders, they're reporting that he was counseled over a verbal altercation he had with a professor, and his conduct had been investigated with women.
01:03:10.100They were investigating his conduct with women around the time of the killings.
01:03:15.340He was ultimately fired from his job as a teaching assistant in December before his arrest at his parents' home.
01:03:20.820In one of those instances, he was accused of following a female student to her car.
01:03:24.080In the case of the female students, the university's investigation did not find him guilty of any wrongdoing.
01:03:29.360Clearly, they had an investigation open on him.
01:03:32.360They cited the potential unsatisfactory performance as a TA, including his failure to meet the norms of professional behavior in his interactions with the faculty.
01:03:42.320Beth, what we're seeing here, in my view, is a pattern of behavior leading up to these horrendous acts.
01:03:49.620Well, his things seem to be spiraling in his life if he's losing the TA position.
01:04:17.740Generally, we see escalation in crime.
01:04:21.340Certainly, things are not going well, perhaps, in some parts of his life.
01:04:24.980But I don't really have an explanation for why he would kill four people.
01:04:29.940And certainly, we don't know a motive either.
01:04:31.540But we've heard other problems with women, that he didn't do well with women.
01:04:36.120There's been speculation that he might have been a so-called incel, involuntarily celibate man who has never been with a woman, but not because he doesn't want to be.
01:04:44.800Now we see here negative interactions with women at Washington State.
01:04:50.040There was an earlier report that he had negative interactions with women at a bar to the point where the bartender or the guy who runs the bar said, I don't want you coming here anymore.
01:05:33.980I do want to add that, because you do mention this is circumstantial, that most murders don't really happen in front of a lot of witnesses.
01:05:52.700Circumstantial evidence is every bit as good as direct evidence, sometimes even better, because it can be incontrovertible, unlike eyewitnesses, because they can get things wrong.
01:06:00.900Peter, the prosecution is going to say seven months before these murders, where we've got his car circulating right around the house.
01:06:13.060We've got him, which he never did, turning off his phone right before the murders and turning it back on right after the murders.
01:06:19.700And we've got his touch DNA on the knife sheath that was left behind.
01:06:26.140Seven months before all of that, he bought a knife sheath that matches exactly the knife sheath found at the murder scene.
01:06:34.860The weapon itself that was used to kill these four young, promising college students has not been found, but it would match.
01:08:24.580So the jury's going to hear all of this is going to be extraordinarily compelling.
01:08:27.520I want to get to one of the piece of evidence before we talk about what happened at the when he was arraigned the other day, Beth, post the indictment.
01:09:05.280After returning to his family's home, because that's where he went in December after the murders with his daddy, had that cross country trip.
01:09:11.160We got pulled over a couple of times by the cops.
01:09:14.080Kohlberger started wearing latex gloves, even in the home.
01:09:21.000I mean, who wouldn't be looking at him like, holy shit.
01:09:23.340But one of Brian's sisters, who was home for Christmas, noted, yes, his his use of the latex gloves that he and noted that he lived just miles away from the murder scene, only 10 miles away, and that he drove a white Hyundai Elantra, which is what the police were searching for at the time.
01:09:45.080She thought Kohlberger that the Kohlberger family should consider maybe it was Brian.
01:09:55.200Yes, that was really chilling to learn that.
01:09:58.880Now, the fact that he was wearing gloves in the home is a huge red flag.
01:10:03.620But that his sister, who's a little bit of a trained observer, put it together, the car, the make of the car and where he was living together with the gloves.
01:10:13.700Because that alone may, that's great stuff, but there's got to be something more about him.
01:10:21.440She knows other things about his behavior, his interactions or lack of interactions with women.
01:10:26.260Perhaps he's done something inappropriate in the past.
01:10:29.280I'm not saying illegal, just perhaps inappropriate.
01:10:31.180That made her think, wow, maybe he really is.
01:10:34.640Because those three things together are pretty compelling.
01:10:37.400But I think that it's against, you know, just sort of all the knowledge she has about her brother and his psychology.
01:10:45.760You're 100 percent right, Peter, because, you know, I like, you know, the people in your life and think about the people in your life right now.
01:10:54.080If they came home after a murder had happened nearby where they normally live and behaved a little odd, most of us wouldn't be like, he did it.
01:11:03.540Clearly, there was something about this guy that led the sister, you know, his past that led her to say, oh, my God, I think he might have done it.
01:11:10.860Yeah, I mean, I think it indicates that we just don't know so much in this case.
01:11:15.800And what is, like Beth said, the entire context of her statement?
01:11:20.280You know, she's going to be sworn under oath and either giving a deposition or at a trial or wherever it may be and giving an official statement as to what she saw, what she heard post murders, but also maybe throughout his life, as we've heard so many people talking about how there may have been signs or patterns throughout his life.
01:11:36.400And his sister may be able to shed light on that.
01:11:38.640But I also just want to mention real quick at the end, the fact that she lost her job.
01:11:43.040And you're right, Megan, that who wants to go to Koberger as their therapist or somebody that helps them with a problem?
01:11:50.680To me, that is the importance of innocent until proven guilty and why the nation as a whole should wait until we hear things specifically that are going to come in as legitimate and reliable evidence before we condemn the entire family.
01:12:05.980I want to ask you whether this is admissible.
01:12:07.280But yes, I mean, it's like, can you imagine you're going to, you know, Beth Dahmer as your counselor?
01:13:03.520So the sister said to the family, we should consider whether Brian committed these this quadruple homicide.
01:13:08.640The father said, no, I don't believe it.
01:13:11.060The same source told Dateline that several members of the family went outside to look for evidence in Brian's white Elantra and that they did not find any.
01:13:21.700But police by that point had already observed Brian cleaning his car with bleach.
01:13:25.840We knew that the FBI was was watching him at the time that he was at his home in the Poconos.
01:13:30.800They found him when they burst in there to make the arrest at one in the morning, wearing latex gloves, putting his belongings in little Ziploc baggies in a trash bag that he was going to dump as he had the nights before in the neighbor's trash.
01:13:43.820So they had let him get away with a fair amount of stuff because they did.
01:13:46.960They weren't quite ready to make the arrest, including cleaning his car with bleach.
01:13:51.320Is there a way of getting in that the family suspected him to the point where they went out and searched his car?
01:13:57.940Yeah, I would say it's probably going to be admissible, especially when pieces of evidence can be used by both sides.
01:14:03.740It's more likely that they're going to come in a trial.
01:14:05.880And I think the defense would use this to say his family went and looked and there was nothing in the car.
01:14:09.700And the prosecution will use to say even his family thought it was him for all of these reasons.
01:14:14.620And then because there is missing evidence, like a missing murder weapon and depending on exactly what they can find or gather from the car as far as DNA evidence,
01:14:24.180I definitely think that's going to be a topic of conversation throughout the trial.
01:14:27.380The evidence that's missing and why it may be missing in his actions post-crime.
01:14:57.420Okay, so now when he was arraigned, the grand jury indicted him and he had to go and stand and say whether he was guilty or not guilty, Beth.
01:15:06.980And he did something I have not seen before, but I heard our pal Nancy Grace talking about this on her podcast,
01:15:12.780talking about how BTK, the serial killer with whom Brian Kohlberger may or may not have a relationship or may see him as a mentor with speculation.
01:15:20.820He also did the same thing where he refused to say the words, not guilty.