The Megyn Kelly Show - DeSantis Endorses Trump, Trump's VP Test, and Man Swimming Against Girls, with Emily Jashinsky, Eliana Johnson, and David Menzies

00:00:00.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:16.860 We've got to say it because it is Monday. It's tough to make it happy, right?

00:00:21.920 So much of the week's still ahead. And I don't know what it's like where you are,

00:00:25.560 but here in Connecticut, it's like 16 degrees and has been for days. It's very hard to go outside,

00:00:31.800 so it's a good day to stay inside together and listen to the news. And let's do that.

00:00:35.760 There's a lot to get to today. The big news over the weekend, the 2024 GOP presidential primary is

00:00:42.220 officially now a two-person race, sort of. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis announcing yesterday

00:00:50.660 afternoon he's out. He is officially out of this race, endorsing former President Donald Trump,

00:00:55.560 Mr. Trump in a change of tone, saying he's officially retiring the name DeSanctimonious.

00:01:01.280 Aw, aw, group hug. But what effect will any of this have in New Hampshire?

00:01:07.000 The primary state, Nikki Haley, is hoping to upset Donald Trump in. We find out tomorrow.

00:01:15.540 Joining us now to discuss all the news, the EJs are back. Emily Jashinsky, who is the culture editor

00:01:22.260 for The Federalist and host of The Federalist Radio Hour, and Eliana Johnson, who is editor of

00:01:27.480 The Washington Free Beacon and co-host of the podcast Ink Stained Wretches, and was, of course,

00:01:34.560 my co-moderator in the last GOP debate, the last one that involved Vivek and Christy and Nikki and Ron.

00:01:42.780 Welcome back to the show. So on that note, Eliana, I'll start with you.

00:01:46.060 I wouldn't say Ron DeSantis had much more momentum at that debate on December 6th than he did the day

00:01:53.140 he dropped out. But after Iowa, it didn't seem much of a mystery that there was no path for him.

00:01:59.300 He said he earned his ticket out of Iowa. There really was no ticket to be earned with a 30-point

00:02:04.640 second place deficit. And I think he did the right thing. I don't see any point in him having stayed

00:02:11.220 longer than this. What do you think? I agree with you, Megan. And I thought that his video

00:02:16.160 statement that he put out on Twitter over the weekend was dignified. And, you know, he ran

00:02:24.120 as long as he could, longer probably than many people thought he would stay in the race. But look,

00:02:31.900 the results in Iowa, DeSantis' results, if you add his together with Nikki Haley's,

00:02:39.480 they still didn't add up to Trump's. And while I think it's good that Republican voters got a

00:02:45.560 choice, they showed that they didn't actually want this choice. Trump won every county in Iowa

00:02:52.660 minus one, and that one county went to Nikki Haley by a single vote. But DeSantis' campaign was

00:02:59.040 premised on winning Iowa. And when he came out of Iowa without winning a single county, I think it

00:03:06.060 showed it was time for him to get out of the race. Then he did so. He took a little shot at Trump in

00:03:11.220 that video statement saying that he has differences with Trump on elevating Anthony Fauci and on COVID.

00:03:17.320 So he took one shot at Trump, and he took another shot at Nikki Haley by endorsing Trump before the

00:03:22.240 New Hampshire primary. I think his voters are likely to go to Trump tomorrow night in New Hampshire.

00:03:27.580 And but overall, that video was about five minutes long, was quite a dignified exit from the race.

00:03:34.580 Let me show that in part to the audience. I mean, it's funny, when he said, I earned my ticket out

00:03:39.300 of Iowa, all I could think, I love the talking heads. All I could think of was that song,

00:03:43.820 a ticket to where? A road to nowhere? We're on the road to nowhere. Anyway, it is a sad day. I feel bad

00:03:52.640 for him. And I feel bad for all the people who really loved him and wanted him. And I myself have

00:03:56.740 serious questions about whether Trump, I get it, sledgehammer, huge personality, very strong guy.

00:04:03.280 Is he really the best? Is he the best? Is he the one who can take down Biden? I hope so. I've been

00:04:08.720 open about that. I can't vote for a man who's in support of transing children, sterilizing them,

00:04:14.180 making them infertile and unable to achieve any sexual enjoyment for the rest of their lives. Oh,

00:04:19.080 sure. Let's do that to a 14 year old. That makes sense. Fucking no. Sorry. I just, it's like such

00:04:23.920 a hard no. Who could vote for that? Who could vote for that? Okay. Anyway, I diverge. Here's a bit of

00:04:29.600 Ron DeSantis in his announcement yesterday. If there was anything I could do to produce a favorable

00:04:36.260 outcome, more campaign stops, more interviews, I would do it. It's clear to me that a majority of

00:04:42.500 Republican primary voters want to give Donald Trump another chance. I've had disagreements with

00:04:47.300 Donald Trump, such as on the coronavirus pandemic and his elevation of Anthony Fauci. Trump is

00:04:53.060 superior to the current incumbent, Joe Biden. That is clear. I signed a pledge to support the

00:04:58.960 Republican nominee, and I will honor that pledge. He has my endorsement because we can't go back to

00:05:04.580 the old Republican guard of yesteryear, a repackage formed of warmed over corporatism that Nikki Haley

00:05:11.020 represents. The days of putting Americans last, of kowtowing to large corporations, of caving to woke

00:05:17.760 ideology are over. Down here in Florida, we will continue to show the country how to lead. Thank you

00:05:26.180 and God bless. Emily, as I watch that, I can't help. I don't want to kick the man when he's down,

00:05:35.160 but I also can't help but be reminded of the reasons why he didn't connect. It may be if Ron

00:05:40.640 DeSantis had thrown out the teleprompter and just done that last bit from the heart, it would have

00:05:44.260 resonated more. I've spoken to him personally, like one-on-one, and he actually can be warm and

00:05:51.080 he can be very funny. I would love to just hear him, just him, without anybody else having

00:05:56.780 interfered, without like a teleprompter speech, just him saying, this is why I'm getting out now.

00:06:04.400 He didn't. He didn't do it on the launch, really. He didn't do it on the exit, really. He did both

00:06:10.400 on X, which is a very online thing, which his campaign was criticized for being from the start

00:06:15.580 to the middle to the finish. I hope the guy's got a future. I don't know. What do you make of it?

00:06:21.420 I think actually, in a weird way, it's sort of a bright day for Ron DeSantis because where he first

00:06:26.240 was thrust into the national spotlight was as a governor of Florida. People felt, and even,

00:06:32.040 by the way, non-Republicans, I mean, his approval ratings in Florida before he launched his presidential

00:06:36.920 campaign were super high. I mean, we're talking over 50% easily. He was supported by a lot of

00:06:42.340 independents. Even Democrats were okay with Ron DeSantis. Not all of them, but there were some

00:06:47.260 who said, all right, this guy's doing a decent job in my state. So he's going back to that now,

00:06:51.520 kind of back to basics. And to your point, Megan, about the video, I wrote this for the Federalists

00:06:55.760 this morning, but I was thinking about something a very smart consultant friend of mine who worked on

00:07:01.080 one of the other actually failed Republican presidential primary campaigns said about Ron DeSantis.

00:07:06.380 He said, people vote differently for governor than they do for president. When you're voting

00:07:12.200 for governor, you're voting pragmatically. You want someone to get things done. When you're

00:07:15.740 voting for president, you tend to vote inspirationally. Somebody who inspires you,

00:07:20.000 who moves you, who can do well in those sort of big abstract questions about the direction of the

00:07:24.440 country that so often are focused on in the media circus over presidential politics. And so I thought

00:07:31.780 when you look at Ron DeSantis, not being in that space anymore, going back to this very innovative

00:07:37.660 legislative campaign that he's leading Florida to kind of take on radicalism and in ways that, you know,

00:07:42.380 people can have disagreements about at times. But if you're conservative, the thrust of what Ron DeSantis

00:07:47.680 has done legislatively and some very interesting ways in Florida is good. And so I think now that he can

00:07:54.300 be back in that space, the sort of laboratories of democracy on the state level where he really excels

00:07:59.840 and where voters seem to respond to him because they see the results in their own state and their own

00:08:05.580 like laboratory that they exist in kind of thing. That's good for Ron DeSantis and an opportunity

00:08:10.300 for him to maybe rework the national stuff. Maybe he can get better coaching or less coaching to your

00:08:16.220 point and just be himself and be comfortable and come back in 2028. But he definitely made a classy

00:08:21.160 exit yesterday. Mm hmm. I would love to talk to him right now. I would love to interview him. I would

00:08:27.660 love I would like to go sit down across from him. You know what I mean? And just do a face to face.

00:08:32.820 I won't prepare any questions at all. You know, like that's the kind of conversation I want to

00:08:37.340 have with him now. Like, what happened? What did you learn? Could it ever, ever have been done if

00:08:42.080 you had redone the launch, if you had redone your media strategy, which he was self-critical of

00:08:46.980 recently saying, I should have gotten out there more. I shouldn't have just limited myself to

00:08:50.180 conservative media in the beginning. Could any of it made a difference in the face of the gorilla?

00:08:56.000 Right. Like, it's just how could you get around him? The criticism of, oh, he should have been more

00:09:02.340 critical of Trump. Well, how would that have worked? Ask Chris Christie. How did that work out?

00:09:06.540 You know, like so many armchair quarterbacks with all their thoughts. Meantime, the gorilla

00:09:11.580 did have some thoughts on DeSantis bailing. It wasn't like the most full throated endorsement that

00:09:18.520 DeSantis did of Trump. You know, he kind of said, I signed the pledge to endorse. And so I will.

00:09:23.260 And I'm going to endorse Donald Trump. But it was an endorsement. It counted. And it's still very

00:09:27.740 soon. You know, I'm sure he's still stinging a bit from the loss. Here's what Trump said

00:09:31.420 in part in response. Saw three. Before we begin, I'd like to take time to congratulate

00:09:39.260 Ron DeSantis, a really terrific person who had gotten to know his wife, Casey, for having run a

00:09:47.120 great campaign for president. He did. He ran a really good campaign. I will tell you, it's not easy.

00:09:53.260 They think it's easy doing this stuff, right? It's not easy. But as you know, he left the

00:09:58.200 campaign trail today at 3 p.m. And in so doing, he was very gracious and he endorsed me. So

00:10:04.380 I appreciate it. I appreciate that. And I also look forward to working with Ron and everybody

00:10:11.260 else to defeat crooked Joe Biden. We will have to get him out. So I just want to thank Ron

00:10:16.020 and congratulate him on doing a very good job. It's a tough situation. It's a tough thing to do.

00:10:23.460 Good for Trump. I mean, they've been slinging the mud a bit. You know, as the campaign got more into

00:10:28.920 the voting phase, DeSantis got a little bit more pointed. Nikki Haley certainly has as well. Trump

00:10:34.060 in reverse kind of has always been rough on these two. Meatball. Remember that. But I do think,

00:10:40.260 don't you think, Eliana, the Republican Party would love to see, even if it's not their preferred

00:10:44.460 candidate, they would love to see the party come behind somebody and get on with the fight against

00:10:48.520 Joe Biden, like turn all of their ire, all of their money, all their efforts against the person with

00:10:54.880 whom they really have the most ideological and other differences. That is what voters seem to be

00:11:01.140 saying. And in fact, that's what DeSantis said, where he didn't say, I think Trump is the best

00:11:07.560 nominee. He said, I'm, I'm hearing, I'm picking up what the voters are putting down. I'm hearing what

00:11:13.260 the voters are saying. And the voters seem to want Trump. And I'm going to listen to that and get

00:11:18.080 behind Trump. Voters were presented with a choice. There were, you know, there were seven candidates on

00:11:25.160 that first debate stage or more. I can't even recall now. And they, they represented from the left of

00:11:32.960 the Republican Party, Asa Hutchinson and Chris Christie, people very, very critical of Donald

00:11:37.800 Trump, um, all the way to Trump fans. Um, you know, DeSantis, uh, campaigned as a Trump, as Trump

00:11:45.800 light, or as an alternative to Trump, Trump with competence. But I do think one of the problems of

00:11:51.320 DeSantis' campaign, um, was if you were going to say vote for Ron DeSantis, because blank, you know,

00:11:58.340 Nikki Haley, she, her message has been pretty consistent. It's been Trump is too much chaos.

00:12:03.860 Biden's too much chaos. Vote for Nikki Haley. If you want to end the chaos. I don't think DeSantis

00:12:08.120 was ever able to quite settle on a message that people, you know, what, what was the message?

00:12:14.820 And I do think maybe he wouldn't have beat Trump, but certainly he could have run a better campaign

00:12:21.080 that wouldn't have left people saying, Oh man, that campaign was a disaster. There were six months,

00:12:26.220 about a year ago, right after he won in Florida. And before the indictments came down on Trump,

00:12:31.920 um, when Trump's approval ratings went up, when there was a moment for DeSantis to jump into the

00:12:36.800 race and capitalize on the energy behind him, by the time he jumped in that energy, that window

00:12:41.960 had closed a little bit. So while I'm not sure there was room for a Trump alternative or that

00:12:47.640 voters were really looking for that, I certainly think there's room to criticize the campaign that

00:12:52.040 DeSantis ran. Yes. There was some piece, um, today saying, um, Scott Walker can relax. Tim

00:13:00.140 Paul Lenti can relax. Ron DeSantis is officially taken over as having run the worst presidential

00:13:05.580 campaign in history. I don't know if that's true or not, Emily, it wasn't a good one. I mean,

00:13:11.460 I think we can agree on that. Um, he had an extremely competent person working for him who is now

00:13:17.800 Trump's campaign manager and she knows what she's doing. She does not like the DeSantis. That's what

00:13:24.260 the Casey's and Ron's detractors call them together. Um, so I don't know whether he was trusting the

00:13:31.000 wrong people or just making the wrong calls himself, but it seemed to be, they spent a lot

00:13:34.720 of money early on so much so that they then had to out farm most of the campaign funding to this

00:13:40.420 super PAC, which was full of palace intrigue and infighting. And it just didn't seem like there was

00:13:47.440 ever a clear strategy on Trump. You know, we need the Trump voters so much so that we can't go after

00:13:52.780 Trump, but if we never go after Trump, we're not going to win away any of the voters. And then of

00:13:58.260 course the most influential thing of all, which was the indictments. And that, that was a total game

00:14:02.400 changer for everyone, not named Trump. I went back and looked at the numbers on real clear politics

00:14:07.640 average over the last year or so, actually longer than a year, uh, the entire race last night after

00:14:12.840 DeSantis announced he dropped out. And one really interesting thing is that to Eliana's point,

00:14:17.440 there is this, this, uh, especially this point in time between November and around April of last

00:14:23.180 year, where in the RCP average Trump's lead over DeSantis nationally, and this is before DeSantis

00:14:28.700 entered the race is about 12 points. So that was, it actually had narrowed quite a bit during that

00:14:34.520 time period. And now, you know, the golf is massive. It's much bigger than that. But when the golf started

00:14:40.100 to widen, it's actually before DeSantis ever announced his campaign. It's exactly when the grand jury

00:14:47.180 in Manhattan, that Alvin Bragg convened, started to weigh the charges against Donald Trump. That's

00:14:52.940 where he took off. And again, that's before Ron DeSantis even entered the race. So I don't know if

00:14:57.960 we'll ever have...

00:14:58.440 Alvin Bragg was March. The documents case was June. Keep going.

00:15:01.640 Right. Right. Yeah, exactly. So late March, when the announcement came that a grand jury would be

00:15:06.040 reviewing these charges, uh, that's when Trump's approval, not approval rating, but that's when Trump's

00:15:10.620 support in the Republican presidential primary starts to tick up. And, uh, it just kept going

00:15:15.820 that way as the indictments kept coming. And so, again, I don't know if we'll ever know the

00:15:19.740 answer to the question whether Ron DeSantis could have run a campaign that would have beat Donald

00:15:24.040 Trump. I do think, again, Eliana's point that that window in time after DeSantis won re-election

00:15:29.420 so powerfully in a bad year for Republicans or relatively bad year, uh, was a huge window because

00:15:35.840 at the time he got re-elected on the basis of his COVID policies. He got re-elected on the basis of,

00:15:42.180 uh, his anti-woke policies. And then as the indictments came, people stopped wanting to, you know,

00:15:48.180 hear as much about that. Uh, they were really interested in the lawfare. They were really,

00:15:52.800 really interested in the lawfare and those other things sort of, I think they're still extremely

00:15:56.500 important to voters in ways that the consultant class doesn't understand. Also partially why I think

00:16:01.500 they didn't know what to do with Ron DeSantis because the DC consultant class, especially that was

00:16:05.720 on his super PAC, they don't know what to do with those policies. They don't love them themselves.

00:16:10.000 So they don't know how to sell them to voters. I think that was another problem for his campaign.

00:16:14.480 Mm-hmm. I totally agree with that. It's actually kind of frustrating to listen to these,

00:16:17.860 you know, know-it-all pundits be like, you know, the woke stuff, that's really what did him in. He

00:16:23.760 never should have gone for that. Like that's Republican voters don't respond to that and they never

00:16:28.620 have. Well, what about George W. Bush? That's how he got elected twice, twice. It wasn't called woke back

00:16:33.940 then, but he wouldn't have won re-election had it not been for his stance against gay marriage.

00:16:38.340 Now today, the Republican party has moved past that, but they have a bunch of other issues,

00:16:43.080 not to, including the trans issue that I mentioned, but not, not only, not limited to,

00:16:48.200 that they absolutely can run on. Abortion is in a class of its own. That's extremely dicey right now

00:16:53.520 in the wake of Dobbs. But I, I agree with you that the Republican voters for the most part are on the

00:16:59.280 same page as Ron DeSantis when it comes to the fights that he was picking. Um, it, that's not

00:17:04.480 why he didn't win. You know, and I think back on it, Eliana, you know, it was, I had Dave Rubin on

00:17:09.160 last week and it was October of 2022, right before DeSantis, uh, won re-election and the Republicans

00:17:16.360 did terribly in the midterms. And Trump was not exactly riding a wave that looked successful.

00:17:23.180 And he had, you know, he just didn't have the air, the aura of success around him, but DeSantis did

00:17:28.300 that Dave and I had this debate on whether DeSantis could do it. And he's a huge DeSantis

00:17:34.320 supporter. And I said, I just don't think it's going to happen. I just, I just don't think

00:17:38.500 the Trump voters, because I do think an advantage I have here on this desk is I talk to the SiriusXM

00:17:43.860 audience often, and we take calls and I take emails from everybody. And so my audience,

00:17:49.240 it's not all Republican. It actually is a fair amount of Democrats who are in the center as well.

00:17:54.380 And I just kept hearing from everybody that like, it's not his time. It's not his time. It's not his

00:17:58.140 time. I like him, but it's not his time. Trump got screwed out of his first presidency. Now they're

00:18:02.700 trying to screw him again. So I just knew, I just did not believe the Trump base was going to leave

00:18:07.120 him. And even though DeSantis then fired up, you know, after his win and Trump fell in the midterms,

00:18:12.040 it just, the Trump base, they really are too loyal. And while you, you peeled off some,

00:18:17.340 some were peelable, not enough to make a difference. And then came the lawfare.

00:18:24.400 And how many Republicans do you know, Eliana, who were like, that's it. I'm, I am going team Trump,

00:18:32.060 even if I don't like Trump, just so I can send a message to these assholes that you can't do this

00:18:39.140 to the United States. You can't do this with our DOJ, with our legal system. It was the one thing

00:18:44.400 that used to be considered untouchable. And now you're corrupting even that. So that's why we're

00:18:49.020 team Trump.

00:18:51.340 The other effect it had was putting Trump back in the news. It was wall to wall media coverage of

00:18:58.480 Trump, his travails, every development in these trials. And it made it really difficult for

00:19:06.580 his challengers, Ron DeSantis, Nikki Haley, all of the others to get coverage of their campaigns.

00:19:13.840 And if you didn't, if you didn't think that this is a strategy of the Democratic Party,

00:19:19.600 the Democrats in the Department of Justice, to put Trump back in the news, to elevate him again in

00:19:24.560 the eyes of voters, and to make him the Republican Party's nominee, and then to tie him up in court once

00:19:30.060 the general election begins, you're sorely mistaken. I absolutely think that this is playing

00:19:36.840 out exactly the way the Democrats wanted it to. Right. They think he's the most beatable.

00:19:42.200 And he has the highest negatives of any candidate who is running on the GOP side. But I agree with

00:19:48.380 what you said 100 percent about Trump in the media. In 1516, he'd send out a tweet. He'd say a

00:19:54.780 controversial thing. Pick your target. He was making fun of gold star families. He was attacking

00:19:59.500 gold star families. I mean, who does that? The family of fallen soldiers he was picking fights

00:20:05.240 with. So it didn't matter how controversial or outrageous. He dominated the news. Now contrast

00:20:12.100 that with even present day. You know, he said that thing the other day, tweeted it out or truth social

00:20:17.240 about how a president should have total immunity no matter what he does. I mean, truly saying even if

00:20:23.300 it crosses lines or it's out of bounds, even if it's truly like the murdering somebody on Fifth Avenue

00:20:28.660 while president should have total immunity. And no court has ever suggested that in any way,

00:20:34.320 shape or form. And that really would be an extreme finding. He got some coverage. You know,

00:20:40.400 he keeps calling Elaine Chao like what's he calling her like Chao Chao. I know something that's not good.

00:20:46.820 Little things like that happen every other day with Trump. They never get a mention anymore. Barely.

00:20:51.520 He the outrage factor has kind of fizzled and it's like the fighter pilot whose adrenaline no longer

00:20:59.000 surges. You know, like it takes a lot like the free solo climbers. It takes a lot to drive the

00:21:05.760 adrenaline junkies, you know, blood or surge when it comes to Trump. But the indictments fired it up

00:21:15.180 again. So now he's got a new lane and a new way to dominate all media coverage, which was a gift to

00:21:21.220 him. Emily, I just heard Ted Cruz talking about how when he was running against Trump in 16,

00:21:25.460 the calculation was that Trump got three billion dollars in earned media coverage, meaning the

00:21:30.580 media just talks about you don't pay for an advertisement because of something you've done.

00:21:34.380 Three billion. And Ted Cruz was saying I had 100 million, which was a record breaking sum that I had

00:21:39.860 won. But it was nothing to buy ads to get myself out there versus three billion. And the indictments

00:21:46.440 are filling that billion dollar pot up again for Trump.

00:21:49.100 Well, and think about that, too, because the media coverage is going to be of that three billion

00:21:54.840 dollars in earned media coverage. So much of it is adversarial. And for the average Republican

00:21:59.580 voter, they look at adversarial media coverage and they did before Trump realized this. I mean,

00:22:04.800 Trump tapped into something in ways that no other Republican candidate ever realized, which is that

00:22:08.940 the average Republican voter sees adversarial coverage of you as a good thing. So in a Republican

00:22:14.900 presidential primary to get that much unearned to just get that much three billion dollars,

00:22:20.400 I mean, that's incredible to 100 million to your competitor. That's putting Trump pitting him

00:22:26.120 against like the most distrusted entity institution in the country among Republican voters, which is the

00:22:35.080 media. And he understood that. And this happened again for Ron DeSantis in that. And this is where

00:22:40.960 DeSantis said on Hugh Hewitt show last week that he should have been doing more corporate media

00:22:44.760 last when he announced last year. That's probably true. But even so, you can simply not compete

00:22:51.600 with how often Trump is put one on one with the, you know, the most hated institution in America for

00:22:59.020 Republican voters. And so sometimes, you know, Trump does crazy stuff that it warrants extremely

00:23:05.740 scrutiny, warrants the extreme scrutiny that he gets from the media. A lot of times, as we all know,

00:23:13.140 that is not the case. And so the average Republican voter sees that over and over and over again with

00:23:18.080 Donald Trump every single day. So there's no oxygen for anybody else. And that's where Nikki Haley's

00:23:24.200 lane. It's just, it's really, really, really hard to do that math. When, you know, nationally,

00:23:30.020 we're heading into South Carolina state, she's down double digits. And then Nevada,

00:23:34.500 let's, let's pause the Nikki Haley discussion. Cause I will, well, for sure we're getting,

00:23:38.740 we're getting to that. Um, the you're, you're right about what you're saying. And it does

00:23:43.620 remind me one of the things they obsess over Trump on is his criticisms, right? Like what he says about

00:23:51.560 people. And when we were first getting to know Trump in a, in a political way, I understood that.

00:23:57.580 I mean, you have, as, as you know, I asked him a tough debate question about things he said about

00:24:01.080 women in particular. And, um, I mean, now I just think we're used to it. This is what Trump does.

00:24:06.360 He, he, he, he talks like that. He means to offend, incite, and not in a legal sense, but like sort of,

00:24:15.300 you know, get people talking about him. And especially if you're an enemy, a political enemy and media

00:24:20.220 enemy, he, he doesn't pussyfoot around, like he'll come after you, but he is very quick to bury the

00:24:26.700 hatchet too. As you saw in those remarks, we just heard him from him, right? Like immediately when

00:24:33.640 DeSantis endorsed him, he stood down on DeSantis and, you know, it might fire up again. If DeSantis

00:24:40.060 says something mean like you can, you can take it to the bank, Trump say something about him that he

00:24:44.860 doesn't like, he hits you, but he, then he's quick to turn the page. Like that is to his credit,

00:24:48.940 but you're only allowed to get away with that kind of behavior. If you're a Democrat, you see,

00:24:53.980 because what we're getting now is takes like this hot takes like this one from this MSNBC executive

00:24:59.500 producer, Ron DeSantis just endorsed the man who mocked, attacked, and belittled him for months

00:25:05.500 on end. Okay. I, it wasn't so long ago that I remember the now sitting vice president doing

00:25:16.040 her own bit of a 180 MSNBC watch. I'm going to now direct this at vice president Biden.

00:25:24.920 I do not believe you are a racist, but I also believe, and it's personal and I was actually

00:25:30.520 very, it was hurtful to hear you talk about the reputations of two United States senators who built

00:25:39.240 their reputations and career on the segregation of race in this country. And it was not only that,

00:25:47.640 but you also worked with them to oppose busing. And, you know, there was a little girl in California

00:25:56.200 who was part of the second class to integrate her public schools. And she was bused to school every

00:26:02.440 day. And that little girl was me. I want Joe Biden to be the next president of the United States.

00:26:11.320 I believe in Joe Biden. I believe in his perspective. We did it. We did it, Joe.

00:26:18.440 You're going to be the next president of the United States.

00:26:21.480 That's brutal. Whoever edited that and adding, we did it, Joe. Oh, that is beautiful.

00:26:33.000 That was Eduardo, part of our team. I love it. It's so it's absurd. Look, the point is, this is what

00:26:38.880 they do. They do. They always reverse themselves. They get behind the party because they hate the real

00:26:45.720 enemy, politically speaking, more than they hate the primary enemy. Right. The guy they got to beat

00:26:51.320 to get the nomination. It's just like it's the pretend shock and disgust at DeSantis now endorsing

00:26:59.480 the man who ridiculed him is so phony. Think about what Hillary Clinton said about Bernie Sanders.

00:27:06.600 I mean, it's it's such an obvious, easy example. Kamala Harris, such an obvious, easy example. It

00:27:12.200 just doesn't even register because history before Trump is wiped clean in their minds. He is the

00:27:17.640 the worst ever, most unprecedented. So everything around him has to be unprecedented. It's just

00:27:22.840 ridiculous. Yeah. They just can't. They'll hold on to every last word he ever said and use it against

00:27:29.160 anybody who says something nice about him. I mean, I can speak to this personally. I get some morons

00:27:33.320 on Twitter who are like, he said terrible things about you. How can you cover him this way? It's like,

00:27:37.320 hello, I don't because news note to journalists. I don't make my coverage about myself when I'm trying to

00:27:43.640 cover the presidential race. I try not to make it all about me and my interactions or my personal

00:27:50.040 feelings about the candidate. Stop being such an idiot. And maybe your coverage would get better,

00:27:55.480 too. Go ahead, Eliana. Yeah, it's it's called professionalism. You know, one minor point about

00:28:02.840 Trump and the primary and voters interest in an alternative. I think part of the disappearing

00:28:09.880 interest in an alternative to Trump had to do with Joe Biden's increasing weakness in the polls.

00:28:17.720 I think part of the argument that the Trump challengers had were the general election polls

00:28:23.640 that showed Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley beating Biden and Trump losing. But as Biden got weaker,

00:28:31.800 all of the Republican challenger challengers were showed to be able to beat Joe Biden by differing

00:28:37.480 margins. And as a result, the Ron DeSantis is of the world, the Nikki Haley's of the world were not

00:28:42.520 able to go out on the campaign trail and say, you're going to risk losing to Joe Biden because

00:28:48.760 Trump was showing Trump was running ahead of Biden as well. And I think that was really damaging to the

00:28:55.640 challengers campaigns as Biden got weaker and weaker in the polls.

00:29:01.320 I that's such a good point. I completely agree with that. And Biden just kept start spiraling the

00:29:05.800 drain, which he continues to do. And I think about, you know, yes, Trump has said nasty things about

00:29:10.440 people. He's not a particularly nice enemy right to have. Try being on the opposite side of Joe Biden.

00:29:18.760 You get audited. Right. I mean, I'm sorry. There's no proof that he's auditing Clay Travis

00:29:24.200 because Clay is like apparently a recent Republican. I didn't know that Clay used to be a Democrat and is

00:29:28.920 voted Democrat for almost every but he says this himself. Now, suddenly, like the first couple cycles

00:29:33.960 where he's a Republican, he's getting audited. Matt Taibbi, suddenly the IRS is coming after him,

00:29:39.240 knocking on his front door. James O'Keefe does a story or considers doing a story on the Ashley

00:29:44.520 Biden diary. The FBI is at his front door, not to mention the silencing that the Biden administration

00:29:49.560 has done of people like Dr. Jay Bhattacharya and Alex Berenson working with X, try to silence critics

00:29:56.920 who push back on COVID vaccines. Like, I'd rather be called a nasty name. You know what? I'd rather be

00:30:02.600 called a meatball, whatever he was calling Ron DeSantis. That's the thing, Emily. It's like it's

00:30:08.360 one thing to use rhetoric. It's quite another to actually hurt and punish your opponents.

00:30:14.520 The very thing they want us to believe Trump is going to do that Biden has spent the last four years

00:30:18.600 doing. It's it's almost like projection. I mean, the same thing they said that Donald Trump was doing

00:30:26.200 in terms of colluding with Russia. I mean, it's just they were using the levers of the apparatus,

00:30:32.600 of the intelligence apparatus to spy on him. They have used it now to censor average Americans. So

00:30:39.640 like Taibbi and others. But it's also just random people who are tweeting average Americans who are

00:30:46.360 using this massive platform to express their perspectives. We now know the Biden administration,

00:30:51.080 A, they worked with Twitter to make sure that you couldn't share. The campaign worked with

00:30:55.160 Twitter to make sure that you couldn't share the Hunter Biden story the month before the election.

00:30:59.800 And then on top of that, they have worked since to censor COVID information, vaccine information.

00:31:05.640 They've worked with these massive corporations in Silicon Valley and in the pharmaceutical industry.

00:31:10.200 This stuff has all happened. And journalists are not interested in that at all. They continue

00:31:14.840 only to be interested in it to the extent that there's some possibility Donald Trump may engage

00:31:19.960 in it as well. And again, this is what they don't understand animates voters. If you look at the

00:31:25.480 results from Iowa, Nikki Haley did have people who say they voted for her on the electability question,

00:31:31.480 but she lost big time. Donald Trump won with people who said they voted for him because

00:31:37.480 he cares about people like them. And that might sound crazy to a journalist in a coastal newsroom,

00:31:44.040 but if you're somebody in the middle of the country who sees this stuff happening over and

00:31:47.880 over and over again, and it was happening before Donald Trump, the censorship over and over and

00:31:52.520 over again, you've seen this for years. Then yeah, no matter what mean tweets come out of Donald

00:31:57.720 Trump, you know, this it's baked into the cake. You know, he's a wild man. Some people love that.

00:32:01.960 Some people, you know, don't really like it. They can't stand it, but there's no way that they're

00:32:06.200 going to go vote for Biden or a Democrat over that. And inflation is another part of this that we

00:32:12.040 haven't talked about yet. They remember the Trump economy before COVID and they know the

00:32:16.280 Biden economy. Now they've seen the gas prices over the course of the Biden administration.

00:32:19.800 They've seen the inflation, the grocery prices. There were just 1400 an announcement of 1400 layoffs,

00:32:25.320 EV factory Ford in Dearborn, Michigan last week. Who do you think they're going to vote for? Do you

00:32:31.800 think they're going to vote for Biden? No, absolutely not. They don't think he gives a damn about them,

00:32:36.360 frankly. You know, and it's not just, it's not just the examples I gave Eliana, the ones that

00:32:42.040 Emily just gave you think about, you know, they're running around now because Trump has said a couple

00:32:46.840 of things like, gee, the way they use the justice department against me, gee, you know, if I become

00:32:51.160 president, I could potentially do that against my political opponents. You know, it's Trump saying,

00:32:56.280 careful what you're doing because you're setting a dangerous precedent here. All the newspapers on cue

00:33:01.240 run with, he's threatening to weaponize the department of justice. Hello. He's trying to

00:33:06.920 make a point that that's what you are doing, that you have violated norms, that once that line is

00:33:11.960 crossed, we'll stay crossed. So be careful. I would be so much more persuaded by their horror if they

00:33:18.440 hadn't done what they were doing to Trump, if they hadn't sicked the FBI on parents as domestic terrorists,

00:33:25.000 when the white house coordinated with the DOJ to spy on parents, to call them terrorists,

00:33:30.280 to try to get them in trouble with the law for showing up and speaking over their time limits,

00:33:35.560 when they objected to the COVID mania. That happened. People have a memory, right? It's like,

00:33:42.680 I don't give a shit that Trump has mean nicknames for Ron DeSantis. I don't want the FBI attacking a dad,

00:33:52.600 or the law enforcement attacking a dad who's objecting that his daughter got sexually assaulted

00:33:57.800 by a trans kid or a kid in a skirt in a restroom. Those are the things that are going to motivate

00:34:03.880 people like me, I think, to show up at the polls, who are, I am, I would say, politically more moderate.

00:34:12.280 Right. And one of the things I found so interesting in recent polling, and there are a couple of

00:34:16.360 mainstream voices that have been talking about this, are that the issues that the Biden administration

00:34:22.200 has talked about ad nauseum are simply not the issues that even Democratic voters say are important to

00:34:28.760 them. One is the issue of student loans. It simply does not resonate with center and left of center

00:34:36.040 voters. They don't want to hear about it and they don't really support it. They don't support student

00:34:40.440 loan relief. And the second is Ukraine, another issue that center and left of center voters don't

00:34:46.600 want to hear about as much as they do. They're far more supportive of other Democratic priorities,

00:34:52.840 kitchen table issues. And I think there is an opportunity for Trump and Republicans to hammer

00:34:58.600 Biden and the Democrats on that. But student loans was one that surprised me. And I think the Biden

00:35:03.320 administration thinks this is a giveaway. It's good. We should talk about it. But, you know, Democrats,

00:35:08.680 union members, other people like that, they are not in favor of that sort of a giveaway for

00:35:13.880 for for people who really are majority higher income earners.

00:35:19.640 The Ukraine situation, and this is without respect to the merits of it, because I understand

00:35:24.840 the people that are suffering and for sure they have been have had their country invaded.

00:35:30.920 It reminds me of like a bad renovation in a way you choose. You have to renovate your house. You had

00:35:37.160 termites. You had mold. You had something where you had to do a reno. And it was a good cause,

00:35:41.560 like it required doing. And you spend the money on it. And then it turns into the never ending

00:35:49.000 money suck, time suck, energy suck. You don't trust the people running it. You feel like they're

00:35:54.920 taking advantage of you. You no longer believe in the mission. You know, the termites are kind of gone,

00:36:00.200 but the house is probably too messed up to say, like, I've had these experiences of my own in the past.

00:36:06.120 And I know the feeling where you're like, I got myself involved in something I can't get out of.

00:36:10.440 And I'm so neck deep in it now. I don't even know what to do. And I do think a lot of people are

00:36:15.640 feeling this way about Ukraine. Like it's too much. And they don't want to hear about it. They

00:36:19.160 don't see a clear landing spot, you know, to get out of it, Emily. It's like they have empathy for

00:36:24.280 what's happening in Ukraine. And they get, yes, it is provocative to sort of pull out when we were

00:36:28.840 only half in what messages it's sending to the rest of the world. I get all that. I think a lot

00:36:32.520 of people do, but I, you know, the message of, we have our own problems and maybe we're just

00:36:39.320 throwing good money after bad now is leading a lot of people to be like, I don't, I don't want to hear

00:36:43.720 about that. I do want to talk about inflation, something that affects my own pocketbook at home,

00:36:48.440 my kids, me, right. And on that, that's why you see it to your point. Joe Biden now has 32%

00:36:55.000 approval rating, 33%. And Trump's approval rating now, I think the latest poll was what,

00:37:00.060 like 42, 44, something like that. Like the post look on Trump, he's looking a lot better,

00:37:05.280 even to the voters who didn't want him. Average Americans react to the lawfare and to the kitchen

00:37:11.580 table issues totally differently than the media understands. It's not as though there aren't,

00:37:16.180 super anti-Trump people. Again, his negatives are really bad. That exists. But there are a whole lot

00:37:21.280 of voters, average voters who see what's happening in the world. So we've talked about inflation and

00:37:26.980 the cultural stuff and all of that, but also the more the Biden administration talks about Ukraine,

00:37:32.240 the more voters are reminded that there weren't two hot wars that broke out during Donald Trump's

00:37:37.680 presidency. In fact, a lot of people remember, for example, the Abraham Accords. That is just such a

00:37:42.280 good illustration, Megan, because Zelensky also kind of, when he shows up to the Senate, he kind of

00:37:46.400 looks like a guy who's telling you the termites aren't gone. And you're like, I think they are,

00:37:50.020 because he dresses like a contractor, but when he's addressing Congress. But all that is to say,

00:37:57.120 it's not working for the Biden administration. And it's interesting how they cling to it. I think

00:38:01.560 it speaks to a little bit of their inability to get out of that bubble. It's interesting that they

00:38:06.320 cling to Ukraine, because again, people do, American power resonates with voters. So that does,

00:38:13.580 and Donald Trump talks that way about American power too. We're getting screwed over. We shouldn't

00:38:17.500 be getting screwed over. We're the United States, all of that. But Ukraine is, Ukraine and Israel

00:38:23.420 are two issues that have exploded under the Biden presidency that were totally different under the

00:38:29.020 Trump presidency. And it's not going to hit with voters in the same way that the Beltway thinks

00:38:34.100 it does, that Joe Biden is out there, you know, bravely wrapping himself in the Ukrainian flag.

00:38:39.360 That doesn't work with someone in Kansas who sees their money going to all kinds of different

00:38:45.220 woke stuff in the administrative state, then to Ukraine and gases, you know, maybe three bucks,

00:38:51.140 whatever. It's still very high. And the price of eggs and milk, all of those things are still

00:38:56.000 pretty high. It's not going to hit the way that the Biden administration thinks it is.

00:39:00.660 And they have a former president to look at. You got two former presidents now. I mean,

00:39:04.060 one's current, but could be former soon. You got two resumes to look at. You got two,

00:39:08.600 you know, one four-year term, one almost four-year term. How was your life during each one?

00:39:12.180 It's such a simple, I mean, this is all what Ron DeSantis was up against. He's, he doesn't,

00:39:17.180 he hasn't had four years as president and Nikki Haley's now up against it and has been.

00:39:21.180 They don't have four years to point to as president where their decisions affected the lives of all

00:39:27.420 Americans. And the Trump presidency, well, it ended calamitously because of COVID was for the most part,

00:39:35.140 the vast majority of it, the country was singing, you know, it was doing very well. It's doing much

00:39:39.880 better than it's doing right now. And people know it. All right, standby. I do want to get

00:39:43.320 into Nikki Haley and what this means. Um, and we'll do that right after this quick break as the EJs

00:39:48.420 stay with us. And I want to say to Ron, he ran a great race. He's been a good governor and we wish him

00:39:58.360 well. Having said that it's now one fella and one lady left for now. I'll leave you with this.

00:40:08.580 May the best woman win. God bless you. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly show here with me today.

00:40:15.360 Journalists, Emily Jashinsky and Eliana Johnson, better known here, at least as the EJs. So Eliana,

00:40:22.720 how did it come to be that so much of the Republican party, the Trump wing of the party

00:40:28.940 hates her, right? She's like a one man and a one. It's not just like, Hey, DeSantis is annoying. We

00:40:37.620 don't like his online crowd. They hate her. How? I think part of it is her hawkish foreign policy views,

00:40:46.680 which are a bit to the right of Trump's. And he has characterized them as such, uh, calling her a

00:40:53.560 globalist. And part of it is, um, the embrace of big donors. Big donors have really embraced Nikki

00:41:01.920 Haley and Trump is able to caricature that as well. And both things, big donors have never been a fan

00:41:11.720 of Donald Trump and Trump, um, from the moment he dropped on the campaign trail in 2016 said the

00:41:18.220 Iraq war was a mistake. We're not getting involved in these foreign conflicts. Now what he did in

00:41:23.040 office was slightly different from that, but there's always been a gulf between the rhetorical Trump and

00:41:28.200 the policy Trump. And so I think those two things go a long way toward explaining the animosity towards,

00:41:35.380 um, uh, the animosity towards Nikki Haley from mega world. And I also think they perceive just

00:41:41.040 the sort of Nikki Haley's ambition to, um, be an ally with Trump, um, in order to advance herself

00:41:48.740 and to be an enemy of Trump when it doesn't suit her. And I think it would, you know, there's some

00:41:54.440 talk of Nikki Haley being a professional, uh, a potential vice presidential nominee. And I, I am

00:42:02.000 skeptical that will happen, um, for a couple of reasons, but the main one being that I simply think it

00:42:08.100 would be too tempting for Republicans in Washington to shove Trump aside, um, you know, to impeach him

00:42:14.680 at the first, um, at the first opportunity and embrace Nikki Haley, someone who they'd be much more

00:42:20.460 comfortable with. And I think mega world perceives that as well. I agree. I think I haven't revealed

00:42:26.900 who I think it's going to be, but I have a guess. It's just a guess. That's all. And I think it's

00:42:31.060 Oh, you can't dangle that out there like that. I know I've dangled, but I think it's a woman

00:42:35.220 she's from the South. And I think it's somebody who, um, she could potentially be the future of

00:42:40.200 the party. And I also think it's somebody who would do what he wanted her to do. And someone

00:42:44.480 who would pose no threat along the lines you just said, somebody who would not challenge Trump,

00:42:49.260 who would do what Trump wanted, but would pose zero threat to him along the lines of the ones you

00:42:53.680 just outlined. So there's, and it's not Sarah Huckabee Sanders, which is what a lot of people think

00:42:58.200 based on. So I don't, I don't know why I'm not telling, but I'm not telling. I just, I feel like

00:43:01.380 we're playing guess who like, is she? You're not going to guess it. Her name hasn't been out there

00:43:06.640 as one of the potential picks. I haven't seen it out there. A friend of mine suggested it to me and

00:43:11.080 I started to research her. And the more I researched, the more I was like, this person makes perfect

00:43:15.880 sense. Um, maybe I will tell at some point soon. I don't know why I just feel like, I don't want to

00:43:21.060 upend this woman's life because she hasn't actually been mentioned. And if I say, I think it's just

00:43:26.040 going to cause more and more, whatever for right now, my team knows who I think it is. And they'll

00:43:30.360 keep me honest when I tell you whether I got it right or wrong. Here is the thing. Um,

00:43:35.440 if he were smart, it would be Eliana. Um, DeSantis, Trump has my endorsement because we can't go back

00:43:42.660 to the old Republican guard of yesteryear or repackaged, uh, warmed over corporatism

00:43:50.440 that Nikki Haley represents the repackaged forms of warmed over corporatism. I mean,

00:43:56.420 she hit on it just a second ago, Eliana did Emily, but that's, that is what I hear for a lot of

00:44:01.800 Republicans about Nikki. Yeah. Uh, and I think that is part of the answer to the question about why

00:44:08.740 she so rankles, uh, the MAGA base. And again, um, I do think some people in conservative media

00:44:15.040 are underestimating, uh, how marketable Nikki Haley ism is outside these sort of movement

00:44:22.140 conservative circles. I think there is something, uh, about her that works in a place like New

00:44:27.460 Hampshire. That's not exactly Iowa, uh, with right of center voters who, who may, uh, be

00:44:32.480 disproportionately moderate compared to the overall Republican primary base. That said, um, I do still

00:44:40.160 think people can sniff out that she's a chameleon in the way a lot of politicians are, uh, that makes

00:44:47.700 her sometimes a really good politician, uh, that sort of the art of politics. She's, she's a very

00:44:53.100 good communicator. And sometimes, uh, as is the case with her approach towards, for example, over the

00:44:58.420 course of her career, transgender issues, uh, that's problematic for her. She's not great. She hasn't

00:45:03.860 like really been able to defend that very clearly. And it's actually the same thing with her approach to

00:45:08.160 Donald Trump. And that's a lot of voters remember, uh, that when Nikki Haley in 2016, when everyone

00:45:14.360 was trying to topple Donald Trump, Nikki Haley was a big part of the Marco Rubio campaign in South

00:45:18.920 Carolina. She was very bitterly anti-Trump. She then became very, very pro-Trump served in his

00:45:23.840 administration, defended him aggressively. And then when she started running for president, again,

00:45:29.640 kind of did the opposite, went in on his character flaws, et cetera, et cetera, that in and of itself.

00:45:34.660 I mean, that's probably the biggest disagreement between Nikki Haley and Trump. It's not a

00:45:38.080 policy disagreement. It's Trump himself. Uh, that really is something that sticks in voters' minds.

00:45:43.680 It feels like maybe they can't trust her. It feels like maybe she's not being honest, uh, been honest

00:45:48.220 with them along the journey. Uh, and on top of that, she has had problems with some of those policy

00:45:53.240 questions. So I do think that kind of sticks in the craw of a lot of voters. Like it's, it's hard to

00:45:58.220 kind of trust somebody, uh, who's done that on, on one of the big questions, because it's, it's almost

00:46:04.440 like it's coded that if you were ever anti-Trump, it's like you were with the media, you were with

00:46:09.580 the establishment, you were with the elite, uh, unless you can have a really good explanation

00:46:13.800 for it. Like Ron DeSantis, I think in his, his departure yesterday, tried to explain it. He tried

00:46:18.720 to say, I had some substantive disagreements over Fauci and COVID, et cetera, et cetera. But with Nikki Haley,

00:46:23.580 it's more personal. Uh, in the meantime, the Republican party seems to be getting ready

00:46:29.720 to nominate a man who's 77 years old, Eliana. And, um, you know, we've seen how much for three

00:46:38.740 years can change a man of that age. We have a template for that too, in Joe Biden. And Trump

00:46:44.520 was in the news over the weekend for the following gaffe in which he repeatedly referred to Nikki Haley

00:46:51.080 as Nancy Pelosi. Listen to this. By the way, they never report the crowd on January 6th. You know,

00:46:57.900 Nikki Haley, Nikki Haley, Nikki Haley, you know, they, do you know, they destroyed all of the

00:47:03.820 information, all of the evidence, everything deleted and destroyed all of it, all of it because of lots

00:47:10.200 of things like Nikki Haley is in charge of security. We offered her 10,000 people.

00:47:15.260 He does not seem to realize that he, he was doing it. Every single one of those,

00:47:21.300 he meant as a reference to Nancy Pelosi. And here's Nikki Haley responding. Sot nine.

00:47:28.480 It doesn't mean he's mentally incompetent. It means that when you have someone that is at that age,

00:47:34.400 you are going to see that kind of decline. And look at how fast it declined with Biden. He's not,

00:47:39.640 you know, mumbling his words like Biden, but he is still someone who's going to be 80. And I think

00:47:45.060 that that's the part that you have to look at is, I mean, really, is America going to settle for that?

00:47:51.060 Your thoughts?

00:47:53.240 Well, it looks like the answer is yes. And look, Ron DeSantis campaigned on this too. He had a Twitter

00:47:59.380 thread of a hundred tweets. This isn't the first time Trump has confused one person with the other.

00:48:04.500 He confused Obama with Hillary Clinton, with Joe Biden and voters didn't seem to care. And the

00:48:11.300 exact same thing is happening on the democratic side where there are challengers to Biden campaigning

00:48:17.760 on his mental decline and the democratic primary voters don't seem to want an alternative.

00:48:23.600 All right. We'll pick it up right there. After a quick break, there's so much more to get to

00:48:27.500 update on Fannie Willis. Oh, she's in trouble. And the 50 year old guy swimming with 12 year olds in

00:48:33.720 Canada. Don't go away. Let's spend another minute on the VP possibilities because there

00:48:43.140 does seem to be like some angling. Tim Scott, who's 57 years old and never married, just announced that

00:48:53.540 he he's getting engaged. I don't mean to be a total cynic, ladies, but there's a lot of speculation.

00:49:02.080 And the magical announcement came just in time for him to run as Trump's VP, potentially like

00:49:09.280 this is you've gotten very cynical when you when you go here. But I'd be lying if I said I hadn't

00:49:15.080 seen this all over X. So what do you make of it? Because Tim Scott came out not only with that,

00:49:20.880 but also listen to how excited Tim Scott is to endorse Trump. This is in New Hampshire on Friday,

00:49:26.420 way more so than he ever was about his own candidacy. Listen.

00:49:33.620 We need a president who understands the American people are sick and tired of being sick and tired.

00:49:43.720 We see a president who sees Americans as one American family. We need

00:49:50.920 Donald Trump. The next president of these United States.

00:49:59.120 I'm dying. President Donald Trump.

00:50:04.680 He's high on love. What's happening there? Is that like, I can be enthusiastic. I would be a great

00:50:20.800 vice president by campaigning with my, my new wife. You tell me, Emily, who is totally real. And I very

00:50:29.340 much love. Actually, not from Canada. Not from Canada. Nope. She does go to the school. I have

00:50:36.520 heard that that is very much a real and lovely relationship. So I pray for them that that's

00:50:41.760 true. And I do wonder to your point, Megan, listen, I don't think there was a path for anyone really who

00:50:48.660 wasn't Donald Trump in this election. I do wonder how differently Tim Scott's campaign would have been

00:50:53.060 if we had seen that version of Tim Scott. Maybe we'll see that version of Tim Scott in 2028,

00:50:58.160 or maybe he will be the vice president. But I also think he knows that Donald Trump really loves a

00:51:02.520 showman. And to sort of be able to perform like that at a rally is something Donald Trump really

00:51:07.860 values. You kind of play the part. We know from reporting that one thing Donald Trump loved about

00:51:11.720 Mike Pence when he picked a VP back in 2016 is that he looked like somebody who would play a vice

00:51:17.680 president. There was reporting to that extent. Donald Trump actually really valued that Mike Pence

00:51:21.640 had a Hollywood vice president look to him, whatever that means. And so obviously,

00:51:27.360 I think Tim Scott knows that. I think everybody who's auditioning for the VP slot knows that.

00:51:32.820 So that's my best guess as to where this version of Tim Scott came from.

00:51:40.920 He sounds like the let's get ready to rumble guy, doesn't he? Like, yeah.

00:51:46.080 Okay, so maybe it'll be Tim Scott. I don't, I don't know. We have to talk about Nikki because

00:51:53.460 stranger things have happened in politics. You know, we talked about this last week a bit where

00:51:58.480 he does need to win for a variety of reasons. Trump needs to win, Eliana. And if Nikki Haley can help him

00:52:04.340 win, even though Cormaga does not want her, could you see a world in which it happened? He tapped her

00:52:12.280 because she can help him win over those moderate Republicans who are skeptical of him.

00:52:16.920 I can see a world where it happens. Look, with Mike Pence, he brought Mike Pence on because Mike

00:52:22.500 Pence was quote unquote, normal Republican. He brought along evangelicals. This time around,

00:52:28.540 Trump doesn't need to bring along the core evangelicals who have very much become a part

00:52:33.340 of the Trump faithful. He needs to bring along independents, centrists, swing voters,

00:52:39.440 and Nikki Haley would help him do that. So there's an electoral case for doing it.

00:52:43.920 The argument against it is the one that I explained prior, which is that I think Trump would feel

00:52:49.920 uneasy with somebody who is very ambitious underneath him, who has contradicted him and who might elbow

00:52:58.520 him, you know, throw an elbow every once in a while when she was in that vice presidential office,

00:53:05.320 and who lawmakers on the Hill felt very comfortable talking to and might be eager to impeach Trump and

00:53:12.800 see her elevated to the presidency. So part of me thinks Trump will pick someone who is less normal

00:53:19.880 and, you know, even crazier than he is to make him feel secure in that office. Somebody who Republicans

00:53:27.860 on the Hill would not be eager to impeach him for it. They would think, oh, geez, like we don't want

00:53:31.960 that vice president becoming president. We got to protect him at all costs.

00:53:35.800 I've got a twist on your theory. I got a twist on your theory. It's not going to be somebody

00:53:39.260 incompetent or somebody crazy, you know, like these people don't like Vivek, for example. If he went

00:53:44.820 with Vivek, they might be like, oh, we don't want him. He's talking about, you know, every other,

00:53:48.180 every odd social security number gets fired. We're not doing that. But, but I do think if you pick

00:53:55.260 somebody inexperienced, relatively inexperienced and young, it could accomplish the same thing. Oh,

00:54:02.340 there's a little tease on what I'm thinking. Here is Trump talking about whether it's going to be

00:54:07.060 Nikki, thought seven. She was okay, but she was not, she is not presidential timber. Now, when I say

00:54:14.580 that, that probably means that she's not going to be chosen as a vice president. When you say certain

00:54:20.060 things, it sort of takes them out of play, right? I can't say she's not of the timber to be, and then

00:54:26.680 say, ladies and gentlemen, I'm proud to announce that I picked. Do you understand? But that's the way

00:54:31.560 it is. Trump is so funny. I mean, you have to laugh, Emily. He makes you laugh for sure, but he's

00:54:37.120 basically saying it's not Nikki. Who knows whether that's true? They mislead all the time. Ron DeSantis

00:54:41.540 was literally saying, I was, it's Sunday morning, Charles Gasparino at Fox was tweeting out that

00:54:47.160 DeSantis camp says he only canceled these media appearances that he had on Sunday because of the

00:54:51.720 rescheduling and they're still in it and they're in it to South Carolina or whatever it was.

00:54:55.380 And literally within two hours, DeSantis was on X, like I'm out. So anyway, you can't necessarily

00:55:00.840 take a politician's word, but what do you, what do you think of it? Well, no, actually that's kind

00:55:04.520 of interesting because it goes along with a lot of people say one thing that was a problem with the

00:55:07.900 DeSantis campaign is that he was making a lot of big decisions in a very small group of people.

00:55:12.760 So it makes sense that probably his official campaign team wouldn't be on the same page

00:55:16.540 or wouldn't know exactly what was going on in the inner circle and would reassure reporters,

00:55:20.880 oh no, no, no, he's going to South Carolina. But yeah, I think I'm also curious, is Donald Trump in

00:55:26.000 his mind thinking what would Nikki Haley or Tim Scott or Vivek have done on January 6th? Because

00:55:32.600 that came to be the huge rift between Mike Pence and Donald Trump. So does he want someone?

00:55:37.620 Is presidential timber in his mind, somebody who is a total loyalist? And again, that's something he

00:55:44.100 really liked about Nikki Haley when she was at the United Nations. She was very loyal to the Trump

00:55:48.640 foreign policy, even though, by the way, the Trump foreign policy departs from her own in ways that

00:55:52.240 she's campaigning on now. He really obviously values that loyalty. And we know, for example,

00:55:58.620 that Tim Scott, who was very close to people like Trey Gowdy, who was a part of the Tea Party

00:56:03.300 movement, he's got a lot of Pence-like qualities, probably would not have gone along with Donald Trump

00:56:08.920 on January 6th. I think basically everybody knows that. So that's a, Nikki Haley certainly would not

00:56:14.940 have gone along with Donald Trump on January 6th. So is that a litmus test in Trump's mind for who he

00:56:20.180 wants as a vice president? Not because he's anticipating more sort of electoral challenges,

00:56:23.960 but because it's sort of that test of loyalty. When you're looking for somebody who's supposed to be,

00:56:30.880 supposed to have your back in big constitutional questions like that one was, I think we know where

00:56:36.120 most Republicans would fall on that. That's why I think probably looking outside where a lot of

00:56:40.420 other people are looking is more likely where Donald Trump is. All right, left field possibility,

00:56:46.640 left field. Don't forget about our other favorite Doug, Doug Burgum. Yes, he has resurfaced in the

00:56:56.140 sweepstakes in part because of a, I don't know if I'd call it bizarre, it's maybe an utterly,

00:57:03.400 entirely predictable exchange he had with Martha McCallum on Fox news last week where she brought

00:57:09.640 up his past criticism of Trump. And would you look at him dodge and weave all the street shooting Doug

00:57:19.480 Burgum, the North Dakota governor, everybody's favorite guy. Oh, well, dodging and weaving watch

00:57:25.740 at SOT 12. Did you ever do business with Donald Trump? I don't think so. Why?

00:57:35.240 I would, I just think that it's important that you're judged by the company you keep.

00:57:40.520 What do you say about that now, governor? Well, I was just saying, I endorsed President Trump in

00:57:46.680 2016. I endorsed him in 2020. I'm endorsing him now because it's the right decision for our country.

00:57:52.820 But you said you wouldn't want to, you're known by the company you keep and you wouldn't want to do

00:57:56.500 business with him. You know, I'm just giving you a chance to, to comment on that. Six months.

00:58:01.760 I said only positive things about President Trump when this one clip comes up. And it's funny,

00:58:07.420 nobody in the national media has asked me about what I do business with Joe Biden. No one's asked.

00:58:12.280 Also, Megan, you're not allowed to do the Fargo accent, but you're appropriating Eliana and my

00:58:23.880 Midwest, upper Midwestern culture. It's the only we can do it. We're the only ones who can do the

00:58:28.920 Doug Burgum. Let me hear it. Let's hear it. Lean in. I don't want to do it again, Megan.

00:58:34.100 I'm going to sound like I'm auditioning for, for Fargo. That is how we talk in Wisconsin though.

00:58:42.160 I mean, listen, um, there's a reason he won't go back over it. He wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot

00:58:47.900 pole. I don't think he's going to be vice president Eliana, but stranger things have happened. He was

00:58:54.460 very beloved by the donor class, you know, not in a way that Nikki Haley is, but like a lot of

00:59:00.660 billionaires, like apparently, um, there were reports. Rupert Murdoch was in love with the guy.

00:59:05.460 That's the reason he made it on the Fox news stage, or they kind of helped him make it on

00:59:09.020 the Fox news stage. Allegedly, who knows? There's all sorts of rumors out there. Anyway,

00:59:12.440 what do you make of Doug Burgum? I think Doug Burgum wants to get out of North Dakota and has his eye on

00:59:20.160 a cabinet slot, uh, secretary of energy. I think he might be a nice fit there and certainly is gunning for

00:59:28.020 one of those posts. And you know what? I think he'd be a great pick.

00:59:31.760 Yeah, he actually would be good. Uh, I don't know about VP, but he would be great.

00:59:36.760 Who would not be great. You know, I mean, he, there is a question about whether he's looking

00:59:40.780 for diversity. So maybe he doesn't want a white guy from North Dakota. Maybe he prefers somebody

00:59:45.900 like Tim Scott or Vivek or Nikki or my secret candidate, but one person he should not consider,

00:59:52.640 not even a little is Fannie Willis. Number one, she's trying to put him in jail. So it's a no.

00:59:57.060 Number two, she's a Democrat. And number three, her own legal problems grow by the day. Okay. So

01:00:04.780 here's the latest courtesy of the Washington free beacon. We've got some news on Fannie Willis to

01:00:10.940 share today. Some unbelievable sound you guys dug up. Love the free beacon. Everybody should be

01:00:15.800 subscribing. Um, so here's the story. Just a quick refresher for people not following it. She's

01:00:21.060 the DA going after Trump in Atlanta. She wants to put him in jail. She has a very large

01:00:25.320 complex Rico case against Trump and 18 others. And one of his co-defendants in that case found

01:00:31.920 out that Fannie is allegedly sleeping with her co-prosecutor, a special prosecutor she brought

01:00:36.900 in by the name of Nathan Wade. Apparently this lawyer representing this other defendant got a

01:00:42.460 hold of Nathan Wade's divorce proceeding papers, which are ongoing right now and found out that

01:00:47.480 Fannie Willis is his alleged quote paramour. And that not only are they alleging having an affair for

01:00:53.240 months now, I think the entire time he's been a special prosecutor on this case, but he's been

01:00:57.860 paying for her to go all over the world to see the world, Royal Caribbean and other cruise lines and

01:01:04.140 Aruba and Napa. This woman's got an amazing social life when she's not trying to put Trump in jail

01:01:10.000 and he's been paying for it. This is what the latest shows is that actually we've now got receipts

01:01:15.800 showing he actually did pay. We don't know whether she reimbursed him. I don't know why you would do

01:01:23.080 it that way, but in any event, she hasn't alleged it. She hasn't denied any of this, nor has he.

01:01:29.760 And, um, while she keeps trying to say this all bullshit, it's a political hit. She said it at a

01:01:35.920 church. She won't say it to reporters or she hasn't yet filed a legal pleading. She's going to get

01:01:41.080 dragged in there, in there for a subpoena in this divorce under a subpoena to give a deposition in

01:01:45.480 this divorce case. And now the media is onto the story and they are breathing down this couple's

01:01:50.840 necks, trying to get those divorce files. Cause the one lawyer who saw them saw them before they

01:01:56.560 were sealed. Well, now they've been sealed. No one can see them. This one lawyer, she's in the

01:02:01.700 catbird seat. She's seen it all. And she filed that motion to get Fannie booted off the case saying,

01:02:07.360 this is totally inappropriate for a prosecutor. You don't boink your special prosecutor as you're

01:02:12.900 going after a man trying to put them away for years. And you certainly don't do it when the

01:02:19.120 taxpayers are paying that guy's salary as a special prosecutor. And now you've created a legal incentive

01:02:23.600 for you and for him to keep this case going as long as possible. As the DA, you're supposed to be

01:02:28.140 above it. You're supposed to be pursuing the interests of justice, not the interests of yourself down

01:02:32.840 south in Rio. That was a double entendre because they kind of did go down south in Rio, but that

01:02:38.220 also means something else. Okay. Now I'm rambling. Here's the update. Here's the update. The judge

01:02:44.800 in the divorce proceeding just granted the motion to unseal the divorce documents. We're all going to

01:02:50.880 see it all. I know her deposition. Um, it's not going to go forward tomorrow. It's supposed to go

01:02:59.100 forward tomorrow. He issued a stay. Um, but not, it doesn't seem like the judge is opposed to,

01:03:04.320 I don't know if it's a year, she actually, they don't seem to be opposed to deposing Fannie Willis.

01:03:09.880 It's just that Nathan Wade, the, the, the dad, the husband has not yet been deposed. And so the judge

01:03:17.160 felt that we got to go, we got to hear from Nathan Wade before we can determine whether Fannie Willis

01:03:22.980 has quote, unique knowledge in the case. One other interesting tidbit, Fannie Willis is arguing that

01:03:28.440 she, this is an attempt to quote, oppress her. Okay. And ruin her reputation in this divorce case.

01:03:37.120 And you know, the, the attempt to depose her it's and so on, um, the, the proceeding there,

01:03:44.660 uh, in which she's, they're trying to depose her is likely to go forward, but there is a question

01:03:51.240 because Georgia has no fault divorce. So the wife of Nathan Wade does not have to prove he cheated

01:03:58.280 on her to get a divorce. And that's one of the things that Fannie Willis said. She said, it's,

01:04:04.380 it's a no fault state. So there'd be no relevance to me testifying in this divorce proceeding,

01:04:09.780 which, you know, she's basically saying, all right, even if we had an affair, it's not relevant

01:04:15.020 because he doesn't, the ex-wife doesn't have to prove he had an affair to get a better divorce

01:04:19.640 settlement. So, so the ex-wife Jocelyn, I've, I've heard it pronounced Joy, Joycelin by local

01:04:26.440 reporters is saying it's, I don't, I'm not trying to prove an affair. I'm trying to prove he spent a

01:04:32.660 shit ton of money on you and it relates to his ability to pay support to me. So I get to see all

01:04:37.960 the receipts and all the monies and boy, oh boy, are they ever. So let me see what page is this on in

01:04:43.840 my packet. So I can talk to you about a couple of the numbers. Oh, there goes my. Can I just add

01:04:50.420 another wrinkle to this scandal, Megan? Please wrinkle, wrinkle away. The other wrinkle is that

01:04:56.140 Fannie Willis and the taxpayers are paying Nathan Wade, who she brought in as a special prosecutor

01:05:02.400 way above the market rate here. So I believe she's paid him upwards of $650,000. Taxpayers have

01:05:09.880 paid him. That is far more than somebody working for the DA's office in Atlanta would be making.

01:05:16.060 And that's the money that has funded these vacations. And we have the credit card receipts.

01:05:22.100 They're out in public and you can see that he has purchased her plane tickets and cruise vacations

01:05:28.720 and this, that, and the other. Some of them are already out there. And even if they are not,

01:05:33.500 they don't, if the whole record doesn't end up in the court proceeding, Joycelyn or Jocelyn,

01:05:40.400 she is free to leak those to the Washington Free Beacon. We are highly interested in seeing all of

01:05:45.720 them. But I think the real scandal here is the misuse of taxpayer dollars for her own benefit.

01:05:51.740 Yeah. 100% agree. That's a lot. I mean, this woman, she's a world traveler. She loves her

01:05:58.080 Caribbean vacations. Here is the report in a filing by Nathan Wade's estranged wife, Joycelyn.

01:06:06.340 On October 4th, 2022, Nathan Wade purchased American airline tickets to Miami for himself,

01:06:12.320 Fannie Willis, and Clara Bowman, who's believed to be his mother. The mother came along for it.

01:06:17.480 The three tickets cost a combined $1,300 plus. That same day, he paid more than $2,600 to Royal

01:06:24.940 Caribbean Cruises. Good times. In October, no, the next day, October 5th, he spent $3,800

01:06:33.080 with Vacation Express, a company that offers vacation packages and tours. And then later that month,

01:06:41.160 Nathan Wade, Fannie Willis, and the mother-in-law arrived in Miami on October 28th. They traveled,

01:06:45.720 at least the two of them did, Nathan and Fannie, from Miami to Aruba. Good times. Aruba, Jamaica,

01:06:52.800 ooh, I want to take ya. They weren't done. I spent $370, he did, at the Hyatt Regency in Aruba.

01:07:01.280 Then, the very next month, who does this? He spent another $3,200 on Norwegian cruise lines. My God,

01:07:07.560 they love to cruise. They're, like, retired. They're retired.

01:07:14.040 When have they had time to look into the Trump allegations?

01:07:18.380 Okay, we don't know exactly when or if they took whatever cruise that was. But then, in April,

01:07:24.640 all they do is vacation. In April, he bought another $817 worth of Delta Airlines tickets,

01:07:32.340 this one to San Francisco, in both his and Fannie Willis' names. We don't know exactly when the

01:07:39.880 flight was taken, but they stayed at the Doubletree Hotel in Napa Valley. It's a whirlwind romance. I

01:07:46.220 mean, they're really, it's obvious. Do we really need to see the unsealed records to know what's going

01:07:51.540 on her? They don't show whether they stayed in the same room. Okay. Or whether she reimbursed him.

01:08:00.260 Right. Okay. And it was in October of 2023 that Trump was charged. So, maybe, Eliana,

01:08:08.100 she's just going to argue, you know, it's just an affair. It's not about, I paid him back.

01:08:13.220 That wasn't, she's already said, I paid him the same as the other special prosecutors.

01:08:16.820 Real questions about that, as outlined in a report by the Daily Caller last week.

01:08:20.000 Not sure we believe that one bit, but let's say she paid him the same. Let's say it wasn't on the

01:08:26.580 taxpayer's dime that they traveled because she reimbursed everything I just said. Maybe it's

01:08:31.720 just an extramarital, it's an affair of the heart, you judgmental ladies. Stop, get off of Fannie's

01:08:36.800 back. What's wrong with that? Oh, enter the free beacon. Digging up a quote from Fannie Willis in April

01:08:44.500 of 2021 and 2020, when she was running for DA, she went on a little show called the Patricia

01:08:50.940 Creighton show and listened to what she said. I certainly will not be choosing people to date

01:08:57.240 that work under me. Let me just say that. I think that what citizens are really, really concerned

01:09:02.800 about is if you chose to have inappropriate contact with employees. I mean, there's nothing

01:09:08.500 that I can say on it other than it is distracting. It is certainly inappropriate for the number one

01:09:13.320 law enforcement officer in this state. And it just, it really, really saddens me.

01:09:19.120 It's, it is sad.

01:09:20.740 Har har.

01:09:21.380 Eliana, Eliana thoughts on Fannie's 180.

01:09:25.060 How quickly things change, you know, and what is noteworthy, I think about what we've seen in the

01:09:33.100 past three weeks or so that these allegations have been out there. A couple of things. One,

01:09:38.660 the, um, the person whose attorneys, um, brought this, these allegations out is a guy by the name

01:09:46.680 of Michael Roman. And I believe that prosecutors actually did not recommend. He was like one of the,

01:09:53.800 one of the 17 or so defendants that they did not recommend bringing charges against jury did not

01:09:59.920 indict. The grand jury did not. Right. He was the one they did not recommend. She brought the charges

01:10:04.320 anyway. Yep. And she is reaping the whirlwind for that. And number two, she has not denied this. So

01:10:12.600 she's gone, um, cause she's gone around the state complaining about this publicly. She's a victim.

01:10:17.800 She has not denied publicly any of these allegations.

01:10:20.940 No, what we saw from her at church last Sunday was they're accusing me of playing the race card.

01:10:27.960 Isn't it them? I think should be they who played the race card. They they're the ones who played

01:10:33.100 the race card against your daughter, me, your daughter of Christ. You're the one Fannie who's

01:10:38.460 been out there telling everybody you will not. The one thing you will not do because the citizens are

01:10:43.240 really, really concerned about it is choosing to have inappropriate contact with employees.

01:10:47.100 It's distracting. It's certainly inappropriate for the number one law officer in the state.

01:10:52.420 It really, really saddens me. Um, she went on as I played there. I will not be choosing people to

01:10:59.140 date that work under me. Let's just say that maybe what she meant is he'll, he'll work over me.

01:11:04.220 You know what I'm saying, Emily?

01:11:05.500 Sorry. Wait till you get to the section about the strap on dildos that comes when we talk about Joy

01:11:13.640 Reed. Yeah, you're really covering it all today, Megan. It's literally in the news. My team was

01:11:23.280 just joking. If you could see their Google searches, the poor advertisers, my poor staff,

01:11:29.360 like the ads that they're going to get served now because of Googling these disgusting politicians and

01:11:33.540 what they do. My show prep was not safe for work. No. And literally it's in the news. It was debated

01:11:41.180 on MSNBC primetime last night. We'll get to it. But anyway, what do you think, Emily, of Fannie Willis?

01:11:45.900 Because this whole thing matters because this Mike Roman is moving to kick Fannie Willis and her entire

01:11:51.820 office off of the case for a gross conflict of interest and misbehavior. It's a corruption case.

01:11:58.840 And there's very clear evidence here of corruption on her behalf. I mean, you lose the moral high

01:12:04.400 ground that you want to have, whether or not she has it, it's a different question, but you're an

01:12:08.860 agent of the state. So you want to have the moral high ground here if you're prosecuting a corruption

01:12:13.180 case and you lose all of that if you are very clearly corrupt. I'm not saying it's apples to apples

01:12:19.060 or on the same scale. People can have that debate, but this is such a, I'm not even trying to use this

01:12:24.720 as a pun, but I was going to say this is such a naked case of corruption from the evidence that

01:12:29.220 we have so far. Excuse me if that conjures any unwelcome images. But I also could never get over

01:12:34.940 how cynical it is for people to play the race card in cases where there's really serious evidence.

01:12:40.880 And the media takes that bait from Fannie Willis when, in fact, again, this is something the media

01:12:45.700 should be all over. I mean, it's a clear case of corruption. The evidence is there. It's an affair.

01:12:51.040 It's like textbook journalism that the Free Beacon is doing in this case. But also it's just like,

01:12:57.300 come on. I was having a very normal Sunday and I was actually going through the RICO case yesterday.

01:13:02.840 I don't even remember why, but it's such a ridiculous, ridiculous case. And even people

01:13:08.800 who are RICO experts are looking at it and saying, what you're doing here is novel. Then on top of that,

01:13:15.180 Fannie Willis has to wade through the muck while she is facing credible allegations of corruption on her

01:13:21.020 own behalf. Taxpayer money, going to someone with whom she's carrying out an affair and traveling

01:13:25.720 all over the world with. It's a bad look all around. And you can bet Trump and his legal teams

01:13:31.440 are going to be all legal team is going to be all over it. Yeah. So Fannie Willis is done. I'm just

01:13:37.760 going to go out on a limb and say she's done. She, you know, like the butterball turkeys you cook at

01:13:41.220 Thanksgiving. They've got a little white thing that pops out when they're done. That's her. She's our

01:13:44.900 little butterball at this point. She's done. This is so unethical. Everything she's doing,

01:13:48.720 you have to be above, above any appearance of impropriety as the elected DA. That's what

01:13:53.060 the law requires. It requires it of lawyers. Nevermind an elected DA. She is so far below

01:13:58.160 that standard. I don't see how she stays on this case. I, she, she very well could be and should

01:14:04.560 be in trouble with the bar. They're actually suggesting she may have crossed, as you just

01:14:08.100 alluded to a legal line where she could get charged criminally herself. That will require much more

01:14:13.840 an investigation to satisfy at least my standard, but she's crossed ethical lines that will, I believe

01:14:18.420 get her booted off of this case. She is as done as the Purdue chicken. I myself prepared and handled

01:14:26.040 for the first time in my life, following a recipe from our pal, Emily Zanotti last night,

01:14:32.260 my husband took a little video here. It's disgusting. Look, look, look how gross it is.

01:14:49.420 That's how done she is. Done. My chicken too. Had the little thing pop out. I knew it was ready,

01:15:07.300 though. Emily told me to leave it in the oven for 15 more minutes. Um, don't try that at home

01:15:12.240 because you do have to prepare and handle raw poultry. And, um, even though the end result was

01:15:17.460 absolutely delicious, I have to say it was slightly traumatic. All right. Stand by. Speaking of

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01:16:45.480 We will be back with the EJs in just a minute. They're watching and listening to this,

01:16:50.400 but there's new info on the 50 year old man in Canada who enjoys competing in the pool

01:16:56.900 against and changing in the same dressing room as young teenage and prepubescent girls.

01:17:05.240 There was another swim meet this weekend. This time, Nicholas Cepeda, who goes by the name

01:17:11.460 Melody Wisehart, competed against girls between the ages of 13 and 16. Again, he's 50 and claims that

01:17:23.360 he's a woman. Rebel news reporter, my hero, David Menzies tried to get inside the meet to report on

01:17:31.140 what is happening, but he was stopped by police. David, it's an honor to meet you. Huge fan of your

01:17:39.300 work. Thank you for being here. Oh, Megan, you're too kind. And thank you for those kind words. And

01:17:45.500 believe me, the feeling is mutual. I'm a huge fan of yours and you're doing great work. And yes,

01:17:51.960 to your point, we have been chasing Nicholas Cepeda to get him on record regarding how it is

01:17:59.420 a 50 year old man can identify as a 13 year old girl, or should I be calling him under his alias

01:18:07.180 Melody Wisehart? I mean, don't ask me how I know this, Megan, but that name sounds like a porn actress's

01:18:14.620 name to me. But there is a pornographic element to this story, is there not? And that is,

01:18:21.360 he not only gets to swim with the 13 year old girls, but he also gets to change and shower with

01:18:28.940 them. Now, what happened on Saturday, my super producer Efren and I, we got up super early to get

01:18:36.860 there before six in the morning to see if we could scrum him coming in to the Pan Am Centre.

01:18:42.540 And I found out from sources inside the centre that Swim Ontario, which is the provincial regulatory

01:18:50.000 body, is doing everything they can to aid and abet him and beginning with sneaking him in a side

01:18:57.920 entrance that we were not aware of. The Pan Am Centre in Toronto is a huge recreational and swimming

01:19:04.640 facility facility, Megan. But worse than that is the fact that the Toronto Police Service

01:19:12.340 was on hand. They ramped up security, they had something like four police SUVs. I mean, in a part of

01:19:19.640 town, Scarborough, that you've got murder, assault, rape, carjacking, but suddenly all these police officers

01:19:27.760 are taking in a swim meet. And why? Well, Megan, the reason is to basically read us the riot act.

01:19:37.940 The police came out at one point with a, they were delivering something to me from the Pan Am Centre,

01:19:45.560 which was a trespass notice. Now, I guess in Toronto, it looks like the cops are not only giving free coffee

01:19:52.020 and doughnuts to the pro-Hamas demonstrators on cold days. I guess they're doing the courier work

01:19:57.340 for the Pan Am Centre.

01:19:59.900 This is unbelievable. And basically...

01:20:01.280 We have a little bit of this, David. I want to show it because you caught this on camera.

01:20:05.100 Let's watch a little bit in SOT 30.

01:20:07.640 And so we're going to be issuing you a trespass notice.

01:20:10.540 But I'm on a public sidewalk, sir.

01:20:13.000 The Pan Am Centre has designated this. It's their property. They want you to move out to the street.

01:20:18.080 I am not on their property. I'm on the sidewalk. And that's a road. That's the King's Highway.

01:20:22.780 So I have not gone in there. And I'm not trespassing.

01:20:26.140 We know there's a 50-year-old man going into the change room. Hold on. No, no. Officer, excuse me.

01:20:32.180 As far as you guys know, this is public property here. And so he's going to be allowed to stay here.

01:20:36.680 There's a 50-year-old man going into the change room. No, no, no. Wait a minute. No, no. Not comment.

01:20:41.580 Officer, I'm asking you to uphold your oath. This is a crime against Section 173.1 and 173.2 of the criminal code officer.

01:20:53.280 What are you going to do about the pervert? What are you going to do about a 50-year-old man?

01:20:57.380 Thank you. Take care of yourself. Are you serious? Are you serious?

01:21:01.480 Oh, my gosh. And they are. What criminal violation is there?

01:21:08.320 Yes. I'll read it verbatim, Megan. 173.1 states, quote,

01:21:13.760 And Megan, Section 173.2 states, quote,

01:21:38.100 Here's the thing, Megan.

01:22:01.660 The athletic bodies, at least in Canada, they're saying we have no choice but to cater to these transgender activists

01:22:12.340 because the Human Rights Commissions and the Human Rights Tribunals have told us to do that.

01:22:18.720 But these are non-elected, unaccountable, bureaucratic, woke bodies, Megan.

01:22:24.700 They do not trump the law of the land.

01:22:27.720 They do not trump the criminal code of Canada.

01:22:30.240 But as you saw, it looks like, according to those police,

01:22:34.020 not only are we not going to arrest someone who might be a sexual pervert,

01:22:39.820 but we're going to try to shut down journalism and lie about public property being private property.

01:22:48.160 This is an outrage.

01:22:49.440 My goodness, if this happened in your country with the First Amendment,

01:22:52.840 I think we're talking about a major lawsuit.

01:22:54.760 Yes. I mean, the problem with that criminal statute is if you have to prove that Melody has, quote,

01:23:02.180 an intent to offend, you may not get there.

01:23:06.140 However, this is the problem with so many of these men posing as women, that there is a huge proportion that actually it's not that they're trying to offend anybody.

01:23:16.060 It's that they're trying to get off on the situation, that they find it sexually gratifying to be parading around naked or in the presence of women while dressed as a woman or purporting to be a woman.

01:23:30.320 And it's even worse when, for some reason, this person is intentionally choosing very young, underaged girls.

01:23:39.040 This is not these are not girls on the brink of womanhood.

01:23:41.600 These are 12 and 13 year olds.

01:23:43.840 Not that it would be any better if they were all 17, but it's this is ridiculous.

01:23:47.760 So my question to you is, I like what how is it that the parents and I understand Canada's more liberal than we are, but how are the parents not literally jumping in the pool and stopping Melody, jumping into the locker room?

01:24:04.440 Throw. Why aren't they out there with you saying this is an outrage?

01:24:08.000 Thank you. Thank God you showed up, David.

01:24:09.780 Thank you, David.

01:24:39.780 Thank you, David.

01:25:09.780 Thank you.

01:25:11.780 Thank you.

01:25:39.760 hero. That's right. Not a single one. So I'm beginning to think, Megan, to your point earlier,

01:25:46.100 is there more to this than just getting in the pool? Is it about changing in a female change

01:25:51.820 room, invading a female safe space, showing your junk, showering with them? People say this is

01:25:58.840 diversity, equity, and inclusion. This is a fully grown man who's about to jump into this pool or

01:26:03.920 just did with 13-year-olds. Yes. No, these are all important questions to ask. And the fact that

01:26:09.500 there's no age limit, because we looked that up too. There is no age limit. The athletes are

01:26:13.460 seated by entry time, regardless of their age. I am praying. I am begging right now. I am publicly

01:26:19.640 begging. Riley Gaines, who's been so amazing on this issue, who is an NCAA championship swimmer,

01:26:28.280 please go to Canada. Please race in one of these places. Oh, wouldn't that be great? And I would

01:26:32.660 love the opportunity to... Try to make the point. Just try to make... If there's no limitation,

01:26:36.060 if you can... It doesn't matter how old, she can get in. And she will crush every girl there and

01:26:42.200 maybe get a conversation about fairness started, because they won't allow the weigh-in to be the

01:26:47.780 fact that it's a 50-year-old man pretending to be a woman. Maybe they'll get upset when an NCAA

01:26:54.100 championship swimmer, who's 29 or whatever she is, 27, gets out there and starts swimming. I love...

01:26:59.780 Like, this is insane to me. I do want to show this too, David. You did catch up or didn't... You chased

01:27:05.200 down Melody Wisehart in the following video, which we have, Stop 31.

01:27:10.880 Finally have a definitive answer to where Nicholas Cepeda changes and showers. It is in the girl's

01:27:21.200 dressing room. I saw it myself in my own eyes. He didn't go into the male dressing room. He didn't

01:27:27.000 go into the family dressing room. Mr. Cepeda, what is your deal? Why are you swimming with

01:27:35.760 13-year-olds? Why are you breaking world aquatic rules? Why are you a coward? Do you have a...

01:27:42.780 Do you have a record of sexual perversion? Protect me from these people. Protect us from what?

01:27:48.100 Where are you going?

01:27:59.240 Here's the crazy thing, David. No one would be bothering, quote, Melody. If Melody decided that

01:28:05.780 he was a she, which isn't really a thing, but whatever, you do you. There's a lot of mental

01:28:09.820 illness out there. Nobody would have bothered him. That's what it is. He is injecting himself into a

01:28:15.020 little girl's sacred space. That they need protection from him. He doesn't need protection

01:28:19.800 from you. You know what? You're right. I call it trans sanity. It's the intersection where

01:28:26.660 transgenderism and insanity collide, Megan. But you notice that quote, the only quote he's ever given

01:28:33.700 us was that one. It's very telling, isn't it? Somebody protect me from these people, right?

01:28:39.680 We meant him no harm, unless you consider, I don't know, impolite or insensitive questions

01:28:45.380 a weaponized thing. But that tells me all his life he has been protected. You know what? I'm a girl.

01:28:53.600 I'm going to wear a dress. Hey, you go, Nicholas. You know what? I'm going to swim with 13-year-old

01:28:59.460 athletes, female athletes, that is, because I identify as a 13-year-old girl. Oh, good for you.

01:29:05.720 You go, girl. All his life, it seems to me this guy has been mollycoddled into believing that he is

01:29:13.880 a legit 13-year-old girl. And when somebody gives him a little blowback, protect me. Protect me from

01:29:22.020 these people. Unbelievable. And Megan, if I may. Shame on you, the Orangeville Otters, for allowing this.

01:29:29.680 Shame on you, Swim Ontario, for allowing this. You're facilitating a dangerous situation for

01:29:37.100 minors. Everybody here ought to be brought up on charges. This is outrageous. This is, if God

01:29:41.960 forbid, God forbid, this turned into something where he took advantage of the situation, they'd all get

01:29:47.940 sued. And there would be a legit lawsuit. I'm not suggesting that's where this is going. But how do

01:29:53.100 we know? We don't know anything about him. And there's a reason that we have women's-only spaces and

01:29:57.880 girls-only swimming and girls' locker rooms and girls' sports. And this just makes a mockery of

01:30:03.380 it all. I'll give you the last word, David. Yeah. One of my last words is, first of all,

01:30:09.120 Orangeville Otters, their swim club, if you can imagine, and I welcome your viewers to go onto

01:30:13.260 their website, they actually have a so-called swimmer's bill of rights. And codified in that,

01:30:17.900 maybe because of Nicholas Cepeda, is the right for an adult to identify as a child. I'm not making this

01:30:23.940 up. And, you know, Megan, please give me insight, given that you are a woman. I know there's some

01:30:30.320 U.S. Supreme Court justices that have difficulty defining a woman. But nevertheless, where in blue

01:30:37.480 hell is the feminist movement? Because if you believe this accommodation of a 50-year-old man as

01:30:44.080 a 13-year-old girl is an example of diversity, equity, and inclusion, you're dead wrong. This is

01:30:51.040 garden variety misogyny. This is an indirect way of violence against women and girls. It is about

01:30:58.540 invading women's safe spaces. I'm not a parent. I'm not a feminist. I should have no skin in the game.

01:31:04.960 We are doing all we can, including phoning 911 to report that. And when we go back to the police to

01:31:11.660 say, what's the status of the investigation? You know what they say to us, Megan? File a freedom

01:31:16.700 of information request. They won't even be transparent about a 911 call that I myself made.

01:31:24.580 What a horrible state of affairs. Oh, my God. Riley, her fiancé, I think,

01:31:31.980 is also a championship swimmer. It's a guy. And she said, as talented as Riley was, that her fiancé

01:31:39.680 can crush her in the pool. I mean, it's just, you know, it's the male advantage. The same way the

01:31:44.200 1,000th-ranked tennis player could absolutely crush and did Serena and Venus Williams, number one in

01:31:51.560 the world at the time. So we need Riley and her husband to go up there, say that they want to

01:31:57.620 swim with the otters, that they both identify as 13-year-old. Like, let's make this so absurd

01:32:02.760 that even the Canadians are going to have to see reason and protect these little girls. I just want

01:32:09.420 to tell the audience before I let you go, David is the same guy. We have time. I'm going to steal an

01:32:13.420 extra 30 seconds. Who is responsible for this amazing clip? I mean, he's spending a long time

01:32:17.420 trying to stand up for young Canadian children, being exploited by this woke ideology. Do you

01:32:22.420 remember when he confronted Kayla Lemieux, who was actually a guy wearing these enormous breasts?

01:32:29.500 And he caught, quote, Kayla, without the breasts that Kayla was telling the New York Post.

01:32:34.880 He grew naturally because of his gynomastia. We've got to play the clip. It's Hot 33.

01:32:39.720 I thought your breasts were real. Where are your breasts? Why are you dressing inappropriately

01:32:50.840 in front of children? Can you believe it, folks? Like a cornered rat, he ran for the hills. He didn't

01:32:57.840 even have the guts to come back to his car. He's abandoned it here. He called an Uber. But did you

01:33:04.580 notice? No breasts. But Lemieux, I thought you told the world via the New York Post and the Toronto Sun

01:33:12.380 that those were real mammary glands.

01:33:17.620 God bless you. Thank you for doing this and putting the lie to what these kids are doing,

01:33:23.680 what these people are doing to our kids. All the best to you and Rebel News and Ezra. See you, David.

01:33:27.920 Megan, can I add one last point? I know you're pressed for time. You know, during the miserable

01:33:34.080 COVID years, we kept hearing from the woke left, follow the science, follow the science,

01:33:38.740 get vaccines, get booster shots, socially distance, wear your face diaper. What happened to the science

01:33:44.300 called biology? Was ever thus male and female sports were divided by the sexes with the exception

01:33:50.720 of equestrian and auto racing? For obvious biological reasons. What happened to the science

01:33:58.160 there? Because right now, if you are transgender, you don't have equal rights. You have special rights

01:34:05.140 and women around the world are suffering from it. It is a disgrace.

01:34:11.360 Oh, amen. Well, stay in touch. Let us know what the next chapter is, David. All the best. And now

01:34:16.880 we bring back the EJs. Ladies, are you as horrified as I am? Yes, absolutely. And I love the point about

01:34:25.300 where the feminists are, where the pro-science left is. This doesn't fit their narrative. So

01:34:30.340 they're incredibly uncomfortable with it. And even when feminists who are appalled by this,

01:34:34.680 because for example, they fought for Title IX bitterly, even when they come out, they're smeared.

01:34:40.280 I mean, there's just, there's like no sense. There's no logic that you can talk into people who are

01:34:45.360 supporting the big-breasted men. It's crazy. Eliana, this is madness.

01:34:51.940 One thing I'm puzzled by is that these are their rules and they are enforcing them. Why not be proud

01:34:59.380 of them and allow the press in to see how this works and to cover it? Why hide it from public view and

01:35:06.080 from public scrutiny and bar any critical coverage of this? That's what troubles me. If they're proud of

01:35:12.720 this, let everybody see it and judge for themselves. The double standard of we're going to do this,

01:35:18.200 but nobody can see how it really works, that is completely unacceptable. People should see the

01:35:23.980 reality that these people have brought and be allowed to decide for themselves if they want to

01:35:28.820 participate in this or if they want to oppose it. But not being able to, but being able to do this and

01:35:35.960 shield it from public view for the public not to know what is happening, that's unacceptable.

01:35:41.660 So let me just mention this trans golfer who won this women's tournament. Haley Davidson is 30.

01:35:48.820 He was James Scott Davidson. He, in 2015, underwent hormone treatments. In 2021, had the SNP,

01:35:58.040 the gender reassignment surgery, had been playing on scholarship for the men's team at Wilmington

01:36:06.400 University. So obviously it was a very talented male golfer who now said he's a woman and is sweeping

01:36:14.660 the titles as a woman. May, 2021 won his first professional title at the National Women's Golf

01:36:22.720 Association Tour. That's a pro tournament. The recent win was on January 17th, won the NXXT Women's

01:36:31.060 Classic near Orlando. And that ensures him access to something called the Epson Tour, which is the

01:36:38.660 qualifying tour for the LPGA to go out on the Women's Professional Golf Tournament Tour. And is winning

01:36:46.760 prize money, is winning titles, has won over almost $6,000 over eight events. And this is all allowed

01:36:55.560 because the LPGA Tour removed its requirement for golfers to be female at birth in 2010. So the women

01:37:02.960 just have to sit back and take it, I guess. Is that pretty much what we're looking at, Eliana, unless

01:37:08.880 there's some sort of, you know, coordinated walkout? It sounds like it. Unless the women

01:37:16.100 participating in these events want to collectively boycott them, it does look like the slow destruction

01:37:23.980 of women's sports one at a time. First, it was swimming and it looks like now it's golf. And

01:37:29.920 just looking at the New York, you know, some of the pictures that you posted, just physically speaking,

01:37:36.980 this does not look like a female golfer to me from afar.

01:37:42.340 Um, not at all. They went through total male puberty. They went through male puberty,

01:37:46.940 did everything as a man. Go ahead. It's just so obvious.

01:37:53.040 Yeah, it's obvious and it's disturbing. Look at this. This is, this is before the transition,

01:37:59.020 obviously, but this is a fully grown man by any standards. And that's why he was doing so well

01:38:04.000 as a male golfer. I mean, there's a reason I'm not a golfer, but I've done it a couple of times.

01:38:08.600 They have the ladies teas and they have the regular teas, which are for men because we don't have the

01:38:13.820 strength that men have. Hello. Everybody knows that we have different upper bodies and it can't be

01:38:18.660 undone. But as far as I know, the surgery only deals with breasts and penises. It doesn't deal

01:38:24.020 with your biceps, your femur, your quads, your hamstrings, your glutes. Hello. He's still got all

01:38:30.780 those advantages. And that brings me to Henry Hanlon, who is in a San Francisco high school

01:38:38.600 and playing for a girl's basketball team. These girls made him their captain. They made him

01:38:46.980 their captain. Riley Gaines, speaking of her, she posted this on X over the weekend.

01:38:52.060 He and his female team played against another team over the weekend, beating them 54 to 22.

01:39:01.920 How many of those points did Henry score? 24, 24 of the 54 came from him. He's been competing in

01:39:12.900 girls sports for the last three years, ranked number four in scoring in the North coast section of

01:39:19.400 California, well beyond this school with an average of 20.8 points per game. Riley said,

01:39:26.960 I think he's averaging, I think, 26 points over the last three games. And he also competes in girls

01:39:32.520 volleyball and in girls soccer. All three of these sports are sports in which a male athlete could

01:39:39.680 seriously hurt another female. This is not poker, right? This is like, look at this, look at him

01:39:45.680 jumping the jump bar. Look at him. This is ridiculous. Ladies, the women obviously cannot

01:39:52.760 compete against him. Is it any wonder he's the dominant scorer? I'm telling you, like we saw

01:39:58.240 volleyball. That's how this young woman in North Carolina got severely injured with permanent damages.

01:40:03.420 Soccer. My daughter plays soccer. One errant, you know, kick of the ball to somebody's head

01:40:08.700 with the strength of a man's leg behind it. This is dangerous. And it's no accident. We're seeing

01:40:15.000 this in San Francisco where I'm sure they did make him their captain. There's zero chance of these

01:40:19.180 women standing up. And so like I played high school basketball, 26 points for a girls high school

01:40:25.840 basketball game. If that's your average, that's what a lot of girls high school basketball games,

01:40:30.160 like total scores are around like 26 points. Like that's a ton of points for a girls high school

01:40:35.420 basketball. And one of the things I find very interesting about this, Megan, is that when

01:40:39.160 these situations kind of go into different niches. So, you know, when people are playing high school

01:40:46.480 sports, it is a huge part of their everyday life. Like they, their families have to commit to these

01:40:52.580 sports. I mean, this is a very high level, LGP, LPGA, which now you have to call like the LGBTQIA plus

01:40:59.900 LPGA. It's pretty hard to keep that straight. But these are lifestyles. I mean, these are things people

01:41:05.260 are dedicating their lives to. And so when this happens, even if it's in San Francisco,

01:41:10.460 you start to reach a new group of people with the severity of the threat. It doesn't really become

01:41:16.960 real to you. I mean, I saw this happen with track in Connecticut. I know we've all followed the case

01:41:20.960 of those young women who were competing in high school track, state matches, losing scholarships,

01:41:27.080 losing their opportunity to get parts of their college paid for, all of that. When that started to

01:41:32.120 happen in a very affluent and liberal blue bubble, you started to see people turn on this. And so as

01:41:37.900 it moves into different sports on the, in these high profile cases, that's where I think a lot of

01:41:43.660 hearts and minds change because it becomes real to you. It's the stakes that you've invested so much

01:41:48.880 for your life in and your child, their health and wellbeing becomes on the line, not so much in golf.

01:41:54.100 It's more of like a different question of fairness and all of that. But in these sports where it's so

01:41:59.680 physical, I mean, basketball, taking an elbow to the face with the velocity that a man is able to

01:42:04.480 give you, it's just different than a woman. Soccer, all of those things. When it, when it really hits

01:42:09.980 home, even in these deep blue pockets, a lot of hearts and minds do change. That's kind of the

01:42:14.400 silver lining. I hope you're right. Cause I mean, of course they made him their captain. So that's one

01:42:19.520 leadership position. No girl is going to get because it's been filled by a man, Eliana, because we all

01:42:25.440 know that the best mess, best women are men. They're the best, the captains, they're the

01:42:29.920 leaders. They're the dominant scorers. It's great. They can dominate their lane and they can dominate

01:42:34.380 our lane to come right in. No problem. It's all it's yours for the taking and we'll support you

01:42:38.140 and we'll clap for you. And we'll say, see how non-hateful we are all the way to the non-scholarship

01:42:42.960 bank, to the non-leadership bank, to the, I feel shitty about myself because I will never be the leading

01:42:47.760 scorer on this team bank. Then when he gets up there and says, thank you so much. Cause now I don't have to

01:42:52.380 deal with the hate. You know, it's so nice to be surrounded in love. These girls have to go.

01:42:57.880 Yeah, I don't, I'm not a hater. I guess I'm full of love. I guess I, I can't speak up for myself

01:43:04.760 because people are going to say I'm hateful. I'm a bigot. I live in San Francisco, so I really can't

01:43:09.800 be labeled any of that. And who is there to stand up for these girls? You know, the thing that saddens

01:43:16.520 me about this beyond the scholarships and the team captains and all of this is that single sex spaces,

01:43:22.380 when kids are in middle school and high school are incredibly valuable. And women's sports have

01:43:27.640 been wonderful for this in providing a space for girls to develop relationship, relationships with

01:43:36.040 each other. They are, it is a social time and learn how to compete against other girls at other schools

01:43:42.100 and to have that ruined and infiltrated with, with men. It's just not the same. And those are valuable,

01:43:51.760 whether you win or lose you know, it's about, it's valuable to participate in them. And that is

01:43:59.860 being destroyed right now. It's so sad to me. It's so sick. Can you, can you imagine like not for

01:44:05.580 nothing, but the two like real fights I ever had in my life, physical fights, both happened in the

01:44:09.500 girl's locker room. It's like something out of a John Hughes film, but yeah, no, I had actually,

01:44:14.400 yeah, I had actual like knock down, drag out fights, like fist fights with two girls over the years.

01:44:18.680 I went to public school. Well, in the second one, the first one, I don't remember. It was actually

01:44:25.860 a friend of mine. It just deteriorated. And before you knew it, we were wailing on each other. But in

01:44:29.740 the second one, it was this woman, her name was Connie. She was older than I was. And she was

01:44:35.200 growling at me, growling at me on the basketball court. And then we went into the back in the locker

01:44:40.440 room. It truly, I had on my cheerleading uniform. It was crazy. And she, she was growling at me. I was

01:44:46.460 looking at her and she's, she said, what are you looking at? Bitch. And I said, don't call me a

01:44:51.160 bitch. And she was like, bitch. And then we started fighting and, uh, it really was. And she,

01:45:01.340 she was like, my school was weird, but she was sort of one of those girls who hung out like with the

01:45:05.680 hacky sacks and they used to call them the dirties. They liked that term. They embraced it. I was a swell.

01:45:10.540 The dirties and the swells did not interact probably for this reason. In any event,

01:45:14.940 she was trying to kick my ass for no reason. I said, to this day, I don't know why she was doing

01:45:18.360 this to me. We fought, we rolled around. I held my own. She did not kick my ass. She never bothered

01:45:23.620 me again because I didn't let her push me around. My point is what if she'd been a dude? Like stuff

01:45:30.780 happens, believe it or not, even between girls in the locker room, tensions run hot, run high.

01:45:36.220 Hormones are flying. If she had been a boy, I would have been beaten and bloody to a pulp.

01:45:44.240 It's not safe for a number of reasons, whether it's the soccer field, the basketball court,

01:45:50.340 the volleyball court, et cetera, or the swimming lanes. It's wrong. It's morally wrong. It's unfair.

01:45:57.020 It's unsafe. And by the way, there was another school out there that refused. It was an Islamic

01:46:02.940 college prep high school that refused to play against this school because they had this boy

01:46:07.740 basketball player posing as a woman. And they said, um, they also were going to decline to share

01:46:13.200 any locker room facilities with this team. Of course, right. There are also potential religious

01:46:19.320 objections to, you know, a 12, 14 year old girl suddenly seeing a penis in the middle of her school

01:46:27.800 day because she wants to play sports. We're feeling it in a basketball game. Someone sets

01:46:34.160 a pick on you. Um, that's wildly inappropriate, especially any parent would be well within their

01:46:40.000 rights to object to that. And the other thing is the least compassionate thing that we can do for

01:46:45.480 children who are suffering from mental illness, whether it's gender dysphoria or something else

01:46:50.580 is indulge these fantasies. So it hurts all the other kids. There's no question about it,

01:46:55.520 but it is also says something so sick about our culture is completely normalized to treat these

01:47:00.760 children, uh, with hormones in, in many cases, or even just psychologically with the idea that they

01:47:07.240 can quote socially transition. Um, it is, it is so dangerous. Uh, what those kids, those young men

01:47:13.980 are putting the girls in danger. There's no question about it, but adults are also putting them in

01:47:18.840 psychological danger, grave psychological danger. And in some cases, grave physical danger because of all

01:47:23.720 of the chemicals they're pumping them with, it's just all around is so sad and such a telling thing

01:47:29.320 about our culture. Yeah. These parents need to stand up. They need to not think about name calling

01:47:35.520 and, but need to think about the safety and wellbeing of their own children. We're not doing

01:47:39.600 these trans kids any favors either way, either. They're not, there's just a thing in my view as a

01:47:43.940 trans kid. It's not a thing. It's, it's kids who have suffered mentally and been lured into this

01:47:49.380 damaging ideology that society is now foisted upon them as a, as a really cool available option.

01:47:55.020 And society doesn't have to have their arms harvested to create a phallus that no one will

01:48:00.380 ever believe is real or create a huge gaping wound in the crotch of a boy after his penis is chopped

01:48:06.420 off, which as my guest, uh, billboard Chris is pointing out is actually just a big wound that has

01:48:11.700 to be kept open for the rest of that boy's life by artificial means it's sick. Okay. Moving on.

01:48:16.600 We mentioned the dildo. Okay. There's a reason we mentioned the D word and that is, it came up

01:48:24.260 on joy reads show when moms for liberties, Tiffany justice to her credit went on with joy read the,

01:48:32.520 the subject was all the evil book banning that they're doing in Florida. Thanks in part to people

01:48:38.600 like Ron DeSantis and people like Tiffany who through moms for Liberty is pushing to get these books,

01:48:43.860 not out of Florida, not out of libraries, not out of Amazon, not out of bookstores,

01:48:48.200 but out of K through 12 school libraries. That's it. And it led to impart the following exchange.

01:48:55.460 Listen to this. What is the expertise that you have and other moms for Liberty advocates have

01:49:02.120 to decide that a book, an award-winning book, like all boys aren't blue, isn't appropriate for

01:49:07.840 students to read? What a tragic story of a young man who's anally raped by his adult family members.

01:49:14.220 So you have incest, rape, pedophilia. In what context is a strap on dildo acceptable for public

01:49:20.180 school? Just let, I mean, that's my question to you as you are not an expert in this book.

01:49:25.100 I don't have to be an expert to know that dildos aren't appropriate for public school.

01:49:28.720 I mean, this book is a full context story, as you said, of the author's experience.

01:49:34.380 What is your right to tell a parent who wants their child, who might feel seen by this story?

01:49:41.420 Why don't they have the right? Why don't they have the right as a parent to say,

01:49:45.820 my child can have access to this book? If a child feels seen by this story,

01:49:49.620 that means that they have been the victim of a predator. That means that they have

01:49:54.600 either been raped by a family member. What's your point for that? If a child feels seen by this story.

01:49:59.820 No, no, no, no, no. You're now making assumptions.

01:50:02.520 No, but if a child has been raped, we should do a lot better than put a book on a library shelf.

01:50:06.820 Now you're literally creating a story behind a child that you don't know.

01:50:10.200 The whole thing is so frustrating. Joy Reid, whenever Tiffany scores a point, Joy Reid tries

01:50:15.020 to interrupt her and shut her down. That's her method of arguing. But Tiffany was so, I mean,

01:50:21.020 Eliana, seriously, like, what's your expertise to make the point that a book about strap on dildos

01:50:30.140 or pedophilia or anal rape by a family member doesn't belong in K through 12 libraries and

01:50:35.860 schools? Right. And you don't need expertise to know what's appropriate or not appropriate

01:50:41.060 content for your children to have the stamp of approval of their schools by being in the school

01:50:48.080 library. And the argument about banning books is such a red herring in that if parents proactively

01:50:54.360 want their children exposed to these things, they're within their rights to purchase these

01:50:58.480 books for their kids or to go get them from the public libraries and to talk with their

01:51:03.020 children about these things and to expose their children to these books. But to have them in the

01:51:10.380 school library for perusal of children without the consent of their parents is not OK. And that is

01:51:17.500 what the objection is to by many, many parents. There are tons, tons of academic expert articles

01:51:26.140 and books, Emily, about the damage done to children in being exposed to content like that too soon.

01:51:32.980 And most of us are pretty vigilant, most good parents pretty vigilant about making sure our children

01:51:37.580 don't have access to that kind of thing. We put blocks on their phones if they have phones.

01:51:41.860 You know, we don't whatever. You're making sure the family computer is in a room where

01:51:45.980 the children you can see the child, right? Like all the things. And the last thing you want to

01:51:50.740 think is when you send them to school, that's when they're most dangerous. That's when they're

01:51:55.600 most exposed to stories about anal rape and strap on dildos. And that's another book like what I don't

01:52:03.560 know what Joy Reid is thinking. I don't want to know about Joy Reid's weird sexual predilections or

01:52:08.460 what she thinks is is OK content for minors. But it's not the same as what I think. And if she wants to

01:52:13.580 expose her kid to that stuff, she can go right ahead and do it on her own time and her own dime,

01:52:19.940 not on my taxpayer money when my kid might be sitting right next to her kid reading a nice book

01:52:27.920 about love, about bullies, about history. Right. It's absurd to pretend it's a ban because you can't

01:52:36.860 get it in your school library. But of course, Megan, you're not an expert. I mean, it's just

01:52:43.260 like her, her argument crumbled on her own show. I mean, it was incredible. Tiffany from Moms for

01:52:49.640 Liberty did just an incredibly deft job at knocking everything down while not seeming at all to be

01:52:56.340 unlikable. Like she was sane, rational reason. She didn't seem like a crazy extremist that wanted to

01:53:02.200 ban Harper Lee or anything like that. She did such a great job. And I think also that just speaks to

01:53:08.800 the weakness of Joy Reid's argument that every time she brought up a book ban, Tiffany from Moms for

01:53:13.600 Liberty was like, oh, OK, well, you know, there are some websites that are banned. Are you are you saying

01:53:18.460 that everybody who's banned different websites at public schools is a website banner? No, of course

01:53:23.220 you're not. You don't allow porn websites to be accessible on these computers. It doesn't make you

01:53:27.940 a censor or a website banner. It just makes you somebody who's exercising normal judgment about

01:53:33.540 what's right for children. You don't need to be an expert to say that children should not be exposed

01:53:37.580 to pornography. And when PEN America did their calculations about the most banned book in America,

01:53:43.900 it's actually so it's so funny that they proudly boasted it was genderqueer. It's like you just made

01:53:50.400 the argument for your opponent perfectly. Most of these bands with a strap on. Yeah, most of these bands

01:53:57.780 have been targeting books. The illustrations in that book, I think a lot of parents have seen

01:54:01.920 them by now because it has been a huge topic of conversation. They're outrageous. They're insane.

01:54:07.180 There's no way the vast majority of parents want their kids to have access to that. And so PEN America

01:54:12.760 by acting like these books are such victims of censorship just does the argument for everybody.

01:54:18.380 The vast majority of these bands are targeting obviously inappropriate books that you don't have

01:54:24.600 to have any sort of political allegiance to one side or the other to look at that and say, OK, well,

01:54:29.920 if that's a ban, then us not keeping Hustler in the school library is a ban, too.

01:54:35.980 Right. Why don't we just open up the Internet to porn to, you know, OnlyFans?

01:54:41.380 Someone might feel seen by it.

01:54:42.420 Gang rape. Yeah. Let's show them gang rape.

01:54:45.120 They might feel seen.

01:54:45.740 You never know. Right. Something terrible might have happened to one of these girls. Let's just let's play

01:54:49.560 it up. Let's let let's let all the students see it. This is absurd. I mean, why do we have ratings

01:54:54.040 on movies then? Why don't we just let the kids go see everything? I'm going to take my, you know,

01:54:57.840 my my four year old nephew to the omen. Let's see it. Let's go see all the all the stuff. It.

01:55:04.520 Yeah, sure. Why not? Let's let's show it all. Like it's absurd. We we understand as a society.

01:55:09.060 We have good expertise. Her expertise are the ones. Those are the people who are telling us that we need

01:55:14.360 to have masks on while we're inside our cars by ourselves today. Those are the experts she wants

01:55:19.720 us to listen to. But why why you don't need expertise to understand this is damaging to

01:55:23.700 children. Young children should not have access to this. High school children should not have

01:55:26.920 just be meandering by the bookcase and see some kid looking at strap on dildo into another man's

01:55:32.720 you know what? Like this is absurd. School is not the place for this. Anybody understands that with a

01:55:38.340 brain, which is why Joy doesn't get it. OK, last but certainly not least.

01:55:44.360 There was another person over on MSNBC. She was. She was rather controversial. She was

01:55:51.020 obsessed, just like Joy, with the color of people's skin. Her name was Tiffany Cross and

01:55:58.080 she got the boot. And when she got booted, they said she'd been spending all this money. She'd been

01:56:02.840 making like two hundred thousand dollars a year, but she'd allegedly been racking up hotel bills of

01:56:07.160 like two hundred thousand dollars or one hundred thousand dollars. Anyway, Tiffany is no longer even

01:56:12.360 she was too radical in her race essentialism, even for MSNBC, which still employs Joy Reid and

01:56:19.620 let's Ellie Mistal, who might be the most racist public commentator in any forum on MSNBC all the

01:56:25.860 time. They got rid of Tiffany. Now, Tiffany has launched a podcast and she wanted, I guess,

01:56:33.660 up the quality, the caliber of her commentary. So she partnered with Andrew Gillum,

01:56:37.940 the guy who lost the gubernatorial race to Ron DeSantis in 18 because he was caught in a hotel

01:56:43.760 room with a gay, like paid for lover and was on meth and got charged on a bunch of felony counts.

01:56:53.600 The jury was hung. OK, that's a win. I think you had a copy of Genderqueer in the hotel room.

01:56:58.680 You probably did. So that's her new partner. OK, they're coming back. And apparently this

01:57:04.820 reporter, Angela Rye, who was over on CNN for a time, has also been looped into this nightmare.

01:57:11.540 We pulled just for fun the little pledge that they're all taking at the top of their

01:57:16.880 new podcast. Take a listen to it. It's called Native Land. Is that what it's called?

01:57:22.440 Native Native, which I think which I think is cultural appropriation. I don't think you're

01:57:26.480 allowed to say that. You are not the Natives. But here's how they open this monstrosity.

01:57:33.060 I do solemnly swear. I do solemnly swear a lot. I do solemnly affirm. Really? Already? Swear.

01:57:39.900 Hey, rebels. I do solemnly swear. I do solemnly swear. That I will faithfully execute the role.

01:57:46.120 That I will faithfully execute the role. The responsibility. The role. The role.

01:57:50.980 Well, sorry. I couldn't hear it. I didn't hear it. Of co-host of Native Land Pod. Of co-host of Native

01:57:57.020 Land Pod. And will to the best of my ability. And will to the best of my ability. Preserve.

01:58:03.740 Preserve. Protect. Protect. Protect. And defend. And defend. The truth. The truth. And the safe

01:58:09.960 space the culture deserves. And the safe space the culture deserves.

01:58:13.700 Is it over? They're like the racist goonies.

01:58:20.740 The drivel. It's like so amazing.

01:58:24.520 So rare that people end up in the company they deserve. But I think we can say that

01:58:29.500 with these three. It's a good point. It's a really good one. I was picturing them like in a treehouse.

01:58:35.180 Podcast with Andrew Gillum.

01:58:36.660 Who would listen to this? So I guess what happened, the reason I know that this thing exists

01:58:44.460 is only because one of the co-hosts, Angela Rye, who I guess used to be on CNN. I don't know any of

01:58:51.220 these people. I didn't. I didn't. The Tiffany lady was saying a bunch of crazy racial shit every day

01:58:56.020 on MSNBC. So occasionally we covered her. Angela, I don't know. Gillum. Yeah. He ran for office and

01:59:02.840 was disgraced. But this gal, Angela Rye, comes out with allegations against Chris Cuomo. Now,

01:59:09.340 I'm going to tell you the truth. Like me too type. I'm going to tell you the truth. I'm not a Cuomo

01:59:12.880 fan. It's not personal. I mean, it kind of is personal. It's like he's been attacking my friend

01:59:19.660 Janice Dean for years. Janice Dean's family, they were killed during the COVID thing. I believe as a

01:59:25.500 result of Andrew Cuomo's orders, sending COVID positive patients into nursing homes, both of her in-laws

01:59:30.500 were killed. She's been very, there's been no accountability. And the Cuomo's came for Janice.

01:59:34.800 And there's allegedly a correspondence in which Cuomo refers to her as the weather bitch.

01:59:39.260 And they coordinate how they can take her down. That's just one of the reasons. But Cuomo has

01:59:42.840 been generally insufferable. It's separate and apart from that, we can go down the list. His lies

01:59:46.460 about COVID, his fake acting coming out of the basement, his weird muscle videos. All right,

01:59:51.380 whatever. I mean, it's fine. So I was inclined to listen to Angela. I was like, what do you do?

01:59:57.500 What do you do? I've even had a Cuomo accuser on this show. One of his producers at ABC came on and

02:00:03.640 told a disturbing story about him grabbing her ass in the middle of this, whatever. I've got to tell

02:00:08.640 you, this woman talks about what happened. Like it, it was like a rape. I mean, it, she talks about

02:00:16.320 this. Like it was a 10 out of 10 on the list of sins. And what did he do? You'll hear it. What did he

02:00:23.140 do? She posted on the internet, a crotch shot of herself in a sparkly gold bikini. Look at this.

02:00:32.100 This is not just a bikini shot. It's a crotch shot. And apparently he sent her a text calling her

02:00:38.060 tinsel crotch. That's it. That's what led to this. Listen.

02:00:45.720 It all began on New Year's Day when I posted a picture of myself looking forward to the new year

02:00:51.460 in a gold sequined bikini on Instagram. Cuomo screenshot the image and said, happy new year,

02:00:57.360 tinsel crotch. Stunned, I read and reread the message a dozen times trying to understand.

02:01:04.940 If I somehow brought this on myself, since whatever you post on social is fair game, right?

02:01:10.680 I teared up. Like now, then the tears flowed. I felt like the safest place I had on a show on CNN

02:01:19.300 had been compromised. As I think about this, it feels so fucking small compared to what other women

02:01:25.980 in the workplace experience. But I was afraid to speak up. Between New Year's and my follow-up,

02:01:32.160 an insurrection happened on Capitol Hill where I feared I would lose loved ones. And as someone who

02:01:36.760 was known for being courageous, I cannot begin to tell you how much I felt like we even now feel

02:01:42.340 like a coward. We had a great rapport. And I was worried about damaging a friendship and a working

02:01:48.080 relationship that you actually damaged. I apologize for knowing how to be courageous,

02:01:55.000 courageous, but not acting on it. I know that I'm forever changed, not just by this, by what,

02:02:00.500 by the journey it took me to get here, to be able to speak out and for you all to hold this space.

02:02:06.140 I am so grateful. Thank you.

02:02:11.140 She's forever changed by his one text saying tinsel crotch after she posted a picture of her crotch

02:02:21.360 with what appears to be tinsel on it. I mean, honestly, it's like dangly gold stuff. I'm sorry,

02:02:27.700 but this is, Me Too has jumped the shark. It is just, I never thought I'd say the following words.

02:02:34.140 I'm on Chris Cuomo side. I can't believe the fake drama around this. She actually goes on to suggest

02:02:43.500 he had her fired from CNN when she admits actually a week later, he pitched a prominent regular role

02:02:50.300 for her on his primetime show. CNN let her go within looks like 10 days of him doing that.

02:02:59.260 And somehow that's his fault too. This is ridiculous. And I believe an obvious attempt

02:03:06.220 to just call attention to this podcast from hell. What do you guys think?

02:03:10.560 Oh, completely agree. And it's another example of the cynical weaponization of identity politics

02:03:16.400 that Tiffany Cross did too. Her show just sucked. People didn't like it. That's why her show got

02:03:21.360 kicked off. Because to your point, Megan, they still have Ellie Mistal on. They have Joy Reid on. People

02:03:25.920 who are just as racially radical as Tiffany Cross, but people who, for whatever reason, MSNBC viewers will

02:03:31.800 tune into it. Greater numbers. So weaponizing, I think what is a really serious thing is like,

02:03:38.040 which is sexual abuse in the workplace for a podcast, again, very cynical. And I was going

02:03:43.160 to sarcastically say like, oh, I'm praying for her. But honest to God, if somebody can bring themselves

02:03:48.160 to tears over getting a text message from a guy saying, happy new year, tinsel crotch, even if their

02:03:53.660 boss, even if they're your boss. And if you're the one who posted the damn picture, if you can bring

02:03:59.400 yourself to tears over that, you do need prayers because something is seriously, seriously wrong

02:04:04.480 with you. Yes. She goes on for like 12 minutes, Eliana, if you hear the whole thing. She paints

02:04:10.260 herself like she's Joan of Arc coming forward with this tale of me too. Whoa. I'm like, literally,

02:04:17.900 I'm like, what did he do? I'm open-minded. You know, I've been one of his biggest critics. Bring it.

02:04:22.860 Tell me. I'm open-minded to me too stories too. I'm not one of those knee-jerkers. This is absurd.

02:04:27.620 I say this through gritted teeth, but I'm, I think I'm team Chris on this.

02:04:33.920 Yes. He, he did it. She did the impossible. She got us all siding with Chris. She's performed

02:04:39.520 a miracle. She's performed a miracle. It's a Christmas miracle. Thanks to all the tinsel.

02:04:46.420 Unanimous verdict. Yeah.

02:04:49.080 She was like her role though. Thanks so much. Thanks for sticking around extra long today.

02:04:53.480 It's been a pleasure. Thanks Megan. All right. And thanks to all of you

02:04:58.800 for joining us today and tomorrow. Be sure to tune in because it's

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DeSantis Endorses Trump, Trump's VP Test, and Man Swimming Against Girls, with Emily Jashinsky, Eliana Johnson, and David Menzies ｜ Ep. 707

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