The Megyn Kelly Show - DeSantis' False Start and Missed Opportunity, and Body Image in Our Culture, with Josh Holmes, Kash Patel, and Jillian Michaels ｜ Ep. 558

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.680 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, coming to you live from SiriusXM in New York City today.

00:00:19.520 Looking forward to a great in-person discussion today with outspoken fitness guru Jillian Michaels.

00:00:25.080 I've never met her. Looking forward to talking about all things fitness-related, including Ozempic, when she joins me in a little bit.

00:00:32.980 I'm saying the magic buzzwords. Everybody wants to hear about that drug.

00:00:36.300 But first, Ron DeSantis launched his presidential campaign last night in what the kids might call an epic fail.

00:00:44.820 It was embarrassing and awkward and had the bewildering, unsteadying feel of a disaster unfolding before your very eyes.

00:00:52.620 You can't look away, and yet you're viscerally uncomfortable watching it, too.

00:00:58.040 He made the announcement on Twitter Spaces with Elon Musk and our pal David Sachs from the All In podcast.

00:01:04.340 Kudos to all involved for choosing a different medium and bypassing the mainstream media, which hates DeSantis and which is hated by most Republican voters.

00:01:13.500 I support that mission, but its execution here, to put it kindly, did not work.

00:01:18.600 How on earth were the kinks not worked out beforehand? 1.00

00:01:24.900 Some 600,000 people tried logging on to watch, a considerable feat given that most of us had never been on Twitter Spaces, including journalists like me,

00:01:34.740 only to be met with messages like,

00:01:37.240 This space is not available, and this space has ended, all before it had even begun.

00:01:45.120 Not a good omen, and certainly not the messaging a campaign wants on launch night.

00:01:50.240 Not available. This is over.

00:01:52.880 It was indeed a failure to launch, and it is dominating the news coverage today,

00:01:57.920 the result of an unnecessary, unforced error on DeSantis' part.

00:02:03.420 Almost as bad was when you did enter the space, but got the weird elevator music, only to then be kicked off.

00:02:10.820 Never thought I would be subjected to Muzak when turning in for a presidential announcement from the guy they say is the future of the Republican Party. 0.99

00:02:18.640 Finally, they got it going, but not before losing some 300,000 frustrated viewers.

00:02:23.480 The glitches were on Elon and his platform, to be sure, but how on earth did DeSantis' team not make absolutely sure Elon and co. were ready,

00:02:34.420 and their candidates was protected from this?

00:02:38.780 Let's hope, by the way, they work out these kinks before Tucker starts posting over there, 1.00

00:02:41.900 because crashing with 600,000 viewers ain't going to work with him.

00:02:46.500 Today, Team DeSantis is trying to turn it all into a win by saying,

00:02:50.020 We broke the Internet. What else can we break?

00:02:52.500 In other words, we are so popular, we broke Twitter.

00:02:55.900 Well, kind of.

00:02:58.080 600,000 people may be a record for Twitter spaces,

00:03:00.720 but it is about half of what Fox News gets on any one of its even post-Tucker struggling primetime shows,

00:03:08.300 which don't glitch and have discovered the magic of video.

00:03:13.900 Video.

00:03:14.860 How do you launch a presidential campaign without video?

00:03:18.120 No clips to be played over and over by all the media the next day,

00:03:22.520 or photos for the papers to put above the fold?

00:03:26.120 Why?

00:03:26.940 Why?

00:03:27.760 Why?

00:03:28.700 Even the prepackaged video DeSantis put out,

00:03:32.160 concurrent with the Twitter spaces event,

00:03:34.420 did not have a shot of the candidate with adoring crowds,

00:03:38.760 or his beautiful family.

00:03:39.940 It's just him alone walking through a curtain.

00:03:46.040 Our border is a disaster.

00:03:52.200 Crime infests our cities.

00:03:54.180 The federal government makes it harder for families to make ends meet,

00:03:57.440 and the president flounders.

00:03:59.580 But decline is a choice.

00:04:01.840 Success is attainable,

00:04:03.660 and freedom is worth fighting for.

00:04:07.020 Riding the ship requires restoring sanity to our society,

00:04:10.740 normalcy to our communities,

00:04:13.080 and integrity to our institutions.

00:04:17.700 Truth must be our foundation,

00:04:20.860 and common sense can no longer be an uncommon virtue.

00:04:25.340 In Florida, we proved that it can be done.

00:04:28.760 We chose facts over fear,

00:04:31.040 education over indoctrination,

00:04:33.500 law and order over rioting and disorder.

00:04:36.400 We held the line when freedom hung in the balance.

00:04:40.740 Where is the Freddie Mercury moment on the other side of the curtain,

00:04:46.580 with the fans cheering and smiling and excited to be with him?

00:04:51.700 Or how about just shots of DeSantis connecting with real-life voters,

00:04:56.420 glad-handing with a smile,

00:04:58.000 holding the hand of a concerned voter somewhere?

00:05:00.860 Talk about a missed opportunity,

00:05:03.640 especially for a guy who's already suspected of lacking the personal touch

00:05:07.040 one needs to succeed in presidential politics.

00:05:10.400 You know what they needed?

00:05:11.520 They needed Debbie Murphy.

00:05:13.060 They needed my producer,

00:05:14.420 who's been with me from the beginning for all of my Fox shows.

00:05:17.620 She actually knows how to put something on television and make it look good. 1.00

00:05:20.600 Right?

00:05:21.340 Hello?

00:05:21.960 Well, you can't have her. 0.64

00:05:23.400 What we then got,

00:05:24.700 once the glitches were behind us,

00:05:26.580 was a clearly scripted,

00:05:28.460 uninspiring campaign speech

00:05:30.260 of a few minutes,

00:05:32.120 all audio only,

00:05:34.320 delivered in DeSantis' trademark nasal voice,

00:05:37.400 and then questions to kick it off

00:05:39.960 about whether his policies in Florida are racist

00:05:43.260 and reports of lost jobs in his state.

00:05:45.480 What?

00:05:46.480 You led with questions about your controversies?

00:05:49.740 Out of your pre-scripted remarks?

00:05:51.540 Yes, they are BS controversies,

00:05:54.580 but why go there?

00:05:55.900 Right off the bat,

00:05:56.800 stay on your message.

00:05:58.760 Stay on offense.

00:06:00.520 They went right on defense,

00:06:02.060 and they stayed there for quite some time,

00:06:04.000 getting into negative stories

00:06:05.240 most voters probably had not even heard about.

00:06:09.240 What came next

00:06:10.140 was boring,

00:06:11.820 cringy,

00:06:12.540 and downright uncomfortable.

00:06:14.420 Some diehard DeSantis fans,

00:06:16.680 virtually all of whom I knew and liked,

00:06:18.080 and advisors asking softball questions

00:06:21.460 that felt almost Pravda-esque

00:06:23.900 in their obsequiousness.

00:06:25.820 There was no spice,

00:06:27.300 there was nothing challenging,

00:06:29.000 and there was nothing newsworthy,

00:06:32.080 nothing to grab headlines the next day.

00:06:34.760 I wrote a sentence to my team

00:06:36.220 I didn't think I would ever write.

00:06:38.580 I miss journalists.

00:06:41.540 That's how I felt watching this.

00:06:43.620 Somebody who would challenge him a little,

00:06:45.400 bring the heat a little.

00:06:46.780 Perhaps the worst offense

00:06:49.100 was that through all of this,

00:06:51.020 I didn't laugh or connect

00:06:52.720 with the candidate even once.

00:06:54.800 And this is a guy whose policies,

00:06:56.440 most of them anyway,

00:06:57.200 I support.

00:06:58.720 He didn't crack a joke

00:07:00.120 at his own expense.

00:07:01.520 He didn't say something that touched me

00:07:03.000 about America

00:07:03.940 or the troubles we're going through.

00:07:06.460 He didn't even tap into the righteous anger

00:07:08.660 so many of us are feeling

00:07:09.860 that has inspired many of his policies

00:07:12.340 in Florida.

00:07:15.040 Maybe he doesn't have that gene.

00:07:17.680 Maybe he's just a pen and paper guy

00:07:19.320 who will pass the right legislation,

00:07:21.180 and that's enough of a blessing.

00:07:23.380 But he is up against a man

00:07:24.860 whose voters love him,

00:07:27.960 who is up over DeSantis right now

00:07:30.260 by anywhere from 30 to 45 points,

00:07:33.840 and who has the advantage of already

00:07:35.760 having been a sitting president.

00:07:37.700 It is true adoration,

00:07:40.780 loyalty,

00:07:41.180 and love

00:07:42.080 between Donald Trump

00:07:43.280 and his base voters,

00:07:44.840 the ones DeSantis

00:07:45.720 has been trying

00:07:46.920 to woo,

00:07:48.880 tearing them away

00:07:49.600 with

00:07:49.900 nice policy,

00:07:52.240 and Twitter

00:07:52.820 isn't going

00:07:54.440 to work.

00:07:56.520 A little later in the show,

00:07:57.900 we're going to be joined

00:07:58.360 by Cash Patel,

00:07:59.220 former deputy assistant

00:08:00.080 to President Trump,

00:08:00.840 with his thoughts on the matter.

00:08:01.820 But we begin today

00:08:03.360 with Josh Holmes,

00:08:04.300 co-host of The Ruthless Podcast

00:08:06.480 and General Political Operative.

00:08:10.100 Josh,

00:08:10.520 welcome back to the show.

00:08:11.400 How are you doing?

00:08:12.280 Hey, Megan.

00:08:12.760 I'm doing quite well.

00:08:13.500 How are you?

00:08:14.020 All right.

00:08:14.360 So what did you make of it?

00:08:16.100 Oh,

00:08:16.640 well,

00:08:16.860 I think your recap

00:08:17.640 was pretty right on.

00:08:20.060 You know,

00:08:20.180 there's a certain level

00:08:21.240 of gravitas

00:08:22.260 that's associated

00:08:23.160 with the presidential announcement,

00:08:24.840 right?

00:08:25.040 I mean,

00:08:25.220 you remember

00:08:25.620 President Trump

00:08:26.680 coming down

00:08:27.100 the golden escalator

00:08:28.180 or President Obama

00:08:29.680 in Springfield, Illinois.

00:08:32.240 There's a certain

00:08:33.040 timelessness

00:08:34.000 that you seek

00:08:34.880 to capture

00:08:35.620 because it's

00:08:36.680 the only day,

00:08:37.980 literally the only day

00:08:39.600 during a campaign

00:08:40.800 when the corporate media

00:08:42.520 can't actually

00:08:43.580 ruin your story

00:08:44.920 provided

00:08:45.500 you

00:08:46.220 tell it.

00:08:47.720 And I think

00:08:48.600 that's what

00:08:49.240 is frustrating

00:08:50.300 so many supporters

00:08:51.340 of Ron DeSantis

00:08:52.740 and a whole bunch

00:08:53.340 of people

00:08:53.680 who thought,

00:08:54.400 you know,

00:08:54.920 this is going to be

00:08:55.600 a one-on-one race

00:08:56.480 till the end.

00:08:57.240 We're hoping

00:08:57.620 that he would have

00:08:58.340 the kind of bump

00:08:59.140 that he had

00:09:00.240 in Election Day 2022

00:09:01.960 when he came out

00:09:02.940 in primetime,

00:09:03.940 first Republican

00:09:04.580 to speak

00:09:05.180 with this massive election

00:09:07.200 in Florida,

00:09:08.160 huge win

00:09:09.040 and people were

00:09:09.580 expecting great things.

00:09:11.080 I think people

00:09:11.480 were hoping

00:09:11.880 that we would reset that

00:09:13.100 and that certainly

00:09:14.240 did not happen

00:09:15.460 yesterday.

00:09:15.940 I mean,

00:09:17.240 I have to be honest.

00:09:19.400 I am somebody

00:09:20.320 whose vote

00:09:21.080 is available

00:09:21.740 to somebody

00:09:22.560 like Ron DeSantis.

00:09:23.720 He could definitely

00:09:24.340 get me to vote

00:09:24.820 for him.

00:09:26.580 I was asking

00:09:27.840 myself last night,

00:09:28.620 who else is there?

00:09:30.040 Who else?

00:09:31.020 Right?

00:09:31.280 Because you've got

00:09:31.700 Trump who's going

00:09:32.540 to be under

00:09:33.120 four indictments

00:09:33.920 by the time

00:09:34.880 we get to Election Day

00:09:36.360 and this guy

00:09:37.380 does not look

00:09:37.860 like a man

00:09:38.440 who can get it

00:09:38.940 across the finish line.

00:09:39.780 He just doesn't.

00:09:40.320 The closer look

00:09:41.460 you get at him,

00:09:42.640 the less steady

00:09:43.660 he seems

00:09:44.380 and it is

00:09:45.400 unsteadying

00:09:46.340 for people

00:09:46.880 who do not

00:09:47.960 believe in the direction

00:09:48.840 this country's

00:09:49.420 going in right now

00:09:50.260 under Joe Biden.

00:09:51.220 It's scary.

00:09:52.900 Yeah,

00:09:53.100 well,

00:09:53.440 the whole thing

00:09:53.840 has been exacerbated

00:09:54.740 by the fact

00:09:55.240 that he's had

00:09:55.740 six months

00:09:56.360 basically

00:09:56.920 from his peak

00:09:57.860 popularity

00:09:58.580 to the time

00:09:59.920 of this announcement

00:10:00.680 and in the interim

00:10:01.480 you have a whole bunch

00:10:02.820 of other questions.

00:10:03.420 You mentioned

00:10:03.900 what was happening

00:10:04.640 with President Trump,

00:10:05.760 potentially more

00:10:06.760 legal issues

00:10:07.780 and then you have

00:10:08.940 the announcements

00:10:09.480 of other people

00:10:10.180 like Tim Scott

00:10:10.980 or Nikki Haley,

00:10:12.400 people who are,

00:10:13.340 you know,

00:10:13.940 not pulling anywhere

00:10:14.980 near where

00:10:15.920 Ron DeSantis is

00:10:17.120 who would consolidate

00:10:17.960 a lot of people

00:10:19.080 in the conservative movement

00:10:20.600 who basically

00:10:21.320 didn't want to do

00:10:22.760 another round

00:10:23.520 of President Trump

00:10:24.840 but kind of liked

00:10:25.520 the policies

00:10:26.180 that were pursued

00:10:27.160 by the Trump administration

00:10:28.200 and I think,

00:10:29.520 look,

00:10:29.720 I think that

00:10:30.220 it does provide

00:10:31.120 a little bit

00:10:31.560 of an opportunity

00:10:32.180 for other candidates

00:10:33.080 to try to make the case

00:10:34.180 that they would be

00:10:35.220 better suited

00:10:35.800 to consolidate it.

00:10:37.180 All that being said,

00:10:38.440 Megan,

00:10:39.000 I don't think

00:10:39.440 this is fatal

00:10:40.240 by any stretch

00:10:41.000 of the imagination.

00:10:41.960 I mean,

00:10:42.100 if he posts

00:10:42.660 a big fundraising number,

00:10:44.380 which it looks like

00:10:45.080 he probably will

00:10:45.980 in the next couple of days

00:10:47.680 and they go out

00:10:48.340 and they do some

00:10:48.920 real events

00:10:49.840 out around this country,

00:10:51.300 he can get this thing

00:10:52.240 back on track

00:10:52.960 but it's certainly

00:10:53.520 not the way

00:10:54.340 that you want to start

00:10:55.380 because usually

00:10:56.040 it's your announcement

00:10:57.020 that gives you the bump

00:10:58.340 and springboards you

00:10:59.660 back into

00:11:00.320 where they hope

00:11:01.140 this race will go.

00:11:02.760 That event

00:11:03.620 would have been fine

00:11:04.440 on day two.

00:11:05.400 On day two,

00:11:07.500 right?

00:11:07.720 You sit with Elon,

00:11:08.560 sit with David Sachs,

00:11:09.340 have your supporters

00:11:10.100 and people we know

00:11:11.120 call in

00:11:11.620 and ask you these questions,

00:11:12.620 these fawning questions

00:11:13.540 but not on night one.

00:11:16.300 It was boring.

00:11:17.700 The Q&A was a bore.

00:11:20.460 I wrote down,

00:11:21.380 I had this epic text chain

00:11:22.900 going with my team.

00:11:23.760 I'm sure you guys

00:11:24.220 at Ruthless

00:11:24.640 had a similar one

00:11:25.480 which I'd love to see

00:11:26.320 and here one of my producers

00:11:28.960 wrote,

00:11:29.300 this makes CNN's

00:11:30.280 Trump Town Hall

00:11:31.140 look like an Emmy

00:11:31.880 award winning broadcast

00:11:33.320 in comparison.

00:11:36.740 Elon was sort of

00:11:38.040 back to me.

00:11:38.940 He kept bringing it

00:11:39.580 back to him

00:11:40.200 that he and David

00:11:41.300 were having discussions

00:11:42.320 about tech

00:11:43.020 and Twitter.

00:11:44.100 I wrote to my team,

00:11:44.860 is DeSantis still there?

00:11:49.160 This is not,

00:11:50.320 this is not the way

00:11:51.280 it should have gone.

00:11:52.900 Yeah, no, it's not.

00:11:54.040 And you worry a little bit

00:11:55.400 about that

00:11:56.200 because it's not

00:11:57.560 just the platform.

00:11:58.900 I mean,

00:11:59.580 look,

00:11:59.780 there might be

00:12:01.120 a little bit

00:12:01.640 too much

00:12:02.480 too online

00:12:03.440 if that makes

00:12:04.340 any sense.

00:12:06.180 What you want to do

00:12:07.820 with the beginning

00:12:08.380 of a presidential campaign

00:12:09.540 is broaden out

00:12:10.400 as wide as you can

00:12:11.320 to get everybody

00:12:12.080 sort of intrigued by it.

00:12:13.660 And then you can

00:12:14.140 narrow in

00:12:14.820 on different audiences

00:12:15.800 and make sure

00:12:16.400 that they understand

00:12:17.300 you get what

00:12:18.300 they're concerned about.

00:12:19.620 But when you're

00:12:20.020 real narrow

00:12:20.880 like they were

00:12:21.640 with Twitter,

00:12:23.060 you're starting

00:12:23.700 to just convey

00:12:24.800 that maybe

00:12:25.780 this is something

00:12:26.620 that some

00:12:27.520 Silicon Valley guys

00:12:28.720 are some sort

00:12:29.340 of libertarian

00:12:30.140 leaning conservatives

00:12:32.600 are all about.

00:12:33.860 But then the rest

00:12:34.360 of the Republican Party

00:12:35.380 may not quite

00:12:36.760 see eye to eye.

00:12:37.700 Now, I don't know

00:12:38.420 if that's true.

00:12:39.220 And honestly, Megan,

00:12:40.000 you covered it

00:12:40.600 in your recap

00:12:41.120 at the beginning.

00:12:42.080 The policies

00:12:43.080 that Ron DeSantis

00:12:44.200 has been promoting

00:12:45.000 for the last two years

00:12:45.900 tell the story

00:12:46.980 in and of themselves.

00:12:48.080 The problem is

00:12:48.520 that he didn't

00:12:49.040 tell that story.

00:12:50.200 I think he tried

00:12:51.260 a little bit.

00:12:52.460 But when you choose

00:12:53.160 an audio media,

00:12:54.720 I mean, it's not.

00:12:55.520 Look, Twitter

00:12:55.920 could be the best broadcast

00:12:57.260 in the history

00:12:58.000 of the world

00:12:58.500 at some point.

00:12:59.600 It is not today.

00:13:01.240 And what you got

00:13:02.560 was an audio

00:13:03.820 only medium.

00:13:05.460 Then in all honesty,

00:13:06.600 like you'd have been

00:13:07.100 better off on AM radio.

00:13:08.720 Yeah, it just

00:13:09.320 it just didn't

00:13:10.680 convey the sense

00:13:11.900 of gravitas,

00:13:12.960 the sense of importance

00:13:14.160 or the audaciousness

00:13:16.080 of a campaign

00:13:17.260 to run against

00:13:18.220 a former president,

00:13:19.720 which is, of course,

00:13:20.600 what he's up to here.

00:13:21.540 Holmes, they were

00:13:21.960 having conversations

00:13:22.640 about Bitcoin,

00:13:23.860 Bitcoin.

00:13:24.840 All right.

00:13:25.120 Now, I realize

00:13:25.740 some people

00:13:26.540 are interested in that,

00:13:27.400 but on a presidential

00:13:28.360 announcement,

00:13:29.180 all I could think about

00:13:30.380 was my imaginary viewer,

00:13:32.360 Madge,

00:13:33.040 who is in Iowa.

00:13:34.180 She's been my imaginary

00:13:35.060 viewer since this

00:13:35.880 since the beginning

00:13:36.400 of my anchoring career.

00:13:37.980 Madge, first of all,

00:13:38.960 does not know how to use

00:13:39.740 Twitter spaces.

00:13:40.740 She doesn't understand

00:13:41.380 that at all.

00:13:42.320 But maybe she tried 0.93

00:13:43.340 to get on and she listened

00:13:44.280 and lasted for all this.

00:13:46.140 Madge did not need

00:13:47.260 to hear the words

00:13:48.100 central bank cryptocurrency,

00:13:50.800 which were uttered.

00:13:52.040 Last match,

00:13:52.980 couldn't give two shits

00:13:54.040 about that.

00:13:55.800 And they spent

00:13:56.720 long amounts

00:13:57.820 of time on it.

00:13:59.600 I know it.

00:14:00.820 I know it.

00:14:01.180 And look,

00:14:01.480 I love Sachs.

00:14:02.920 And I think what Elon Musk

00:14:04.520 has done for Twitter

00:14:05.760 is the single

00:14:06.860 most patriotic thing

00:14:08.440 I've seen a billionaire

00:14:09.120 do in my lifetime.

00:14:10.360 Same.

00:14:10.820 All that being said,

00:14:12.120 I don't expect

00:14:13.100 Elon and Sachs

00:14:14.600 to have

00:14:15.220 a sort of vision

00:14:16.540 for America

00:14:17.320 that I'm,

00:14:17.860 that I'm,

00:14:18.400 you know,

00:14:19.160 parroting amongst

00:14:20.000 the masses.

00:14:20.720 I mean,

00:14:20.840 we've got a hell

00:14:21.460 of an economy

00:14:22.060 that is really

00:14:23.360 having a tough time

00:14:24.340 for a lot of Americans

00:14:25.160 out there.

00:14:25.900 Why don't we start there?

00:14:27.300 And then you can move

00:14:28.120 in through all of the,

00:14:29.240 you know,

00:14:29.460 the wokeness

00:14:30.080 and the critiques

00:14:30.700 of modern culture

00:14:31.560 that has made DeSantis

00:14:32.980 so popular on the right.

00:14:34.720 You don't really need

00:14:35.520 to get into niche stuff

00:14:36.500 on day one.

00:14:37.360 And I don't know

00:14:38.600 if they didn't

00:14:39.800 see that coming

00:14:40.920 or if this just wasn't

00:14:42.520 overly scripted.

00:14:44.240 Look,

00:14:44.760 you know they want

00:14:45.520 to do this again.

00:14:47.200 Yeah.

00:14:47.420 I mean,

00:14:47.680 that I think

00:14:48.740 is the takeaway

00:14:49.340 that there's just

00:14:49.900 no chance

00:14:50.580 this is ultimately

00:14:51.700 what they wanted

00:14:52.460 to convey on day one.

00:14:53.800 Let me tell you

00:14:54.220 why I wrote those

00:14:54.860 sentences.

00:14:55.260 I miss journalists.

00:14:56.340 You know,

00:14:56.520 the shocking sentence

00:14:57.440 I miss journalists

00:14:58.160 because I was thinking

00:14:59.660 about my old pal

00:15:00.660 Brett Baer.

00:15:01.300 I was thinking

00:15:01.700 about the way

00:15:02.180 I would have done

00:15:02.740 an interview

00:15:03.080 with this guy

00:15:03.620 right after this.

00:15:04.860 And there's an arc

00:15:05.680 to telling somebody's story.

00:15:08.460 And yes,

00:15:09.300 there should,

00:15:09.720 there should have been

00:15:10.240 some spice in there.

00:15:11.180 Something that would make news,

00:15:12.460 which is good for him,

00:15:13.540 right?

00:15:13.780 To have some,

00:15:14.500 some sort of contentious

00:15:15.680 dust up with a reporter.

00:15:16.860 That's good.

00:15:17.360 That's good for him.

00:15:18.040 Just ask Trump.

00:15:18.760 He understands that implicitly.

00:15:20.580 But also,

00:15:21.460 there should have been

00:15:22.540 some questions

00:15:23.060 that got to,

00:15:24.960 for lack of a better term,

00:15:26.060 the heart of the matter.

00:15:27.580 You know,

00:15:27.880 people are really hurting

00:15:29.100 right now.

00:15:29.860 Or the Democrats'

00:15:31.680 messaging has been

00:15:32.320 so divisive.

00:15:33.600 You know,

00:15:33.760 this is what they're

00:15:34.360 actually telling little kids

00:15:35.580 that they're less than

00:15:36.280 because they were born

00:15:37.000 into a certain race.

00:15:38.400 Right?

00:15:39.320 Like,

00:15:39.860 what about that

00:15:40.900 upsets you so much?

00:15:42.180 Why have you spent

00:15:42.800 so much of your time

00:15:44.100 in the governor's mansion

00:15:45.000 focused on that stuff,

00:15:46.500 which,

00:15:46.700 you know,

00:15:46.980 the left dismisses

00:15:47.680 as insignificant culture wars?

00:15:49.460 Let him speak

00:15:50.820 from the heart

00:15:51.640 about why that stuff

00:15:52.880 is important to him

00:15:53.920 as opposed to just like

00:15:55.600 this random cast

00:15:56.980 of characters

00:15:57.760 on like,

00:15:59.160 even Chris Ruffo,

00:16:00.380 who I love,

00:16:01.040 but it was like,

00:16:02.040 CRT and DEI.

00:16:03.400 Like,

00:16:03.780 Madge doesn't know 1.00

00:16:04.480 what the hell that is.

00:16:05.520 Like,

00:16:05.700 it was just a miss

00:16:07.180 from,

00:16:08.340 I don't know who orchestrated

00:16:09.440 the whole thing.

00:16:09.940 I assume it was

00:16:10.500 Team DeSantis,

00:16:11.360 but they don't understand

00:16:12.640 how to storytell.

00:16:13.700 Yeah,

00:16:15.200 look,

00:16:15.920 if you just back up

00:16:16.960 to what you want

00:16:18.800 conveyed

00:16:19.400 to the entire country,

00:16:21.000 because again,

00:16:21.440 you get one day,

00:16:22.500 your announcement day,

00:16:23.500 when everybody's forced

00:16:24.800 to cover you.

00:16:26.520 And as long as you're

00:16:27.300 scripted on that one day

00:16:28.400 and you have the right images,

00:16:30.040 the media doesn't have

00:16:31.020 any choice

00:16:31.640 but to cover you.

00:16:33.420 Sure,

00:16:33.520 they can put some

00:16:34.220 shitty narration

00:16:34.900 over the top of it

00:16:35.800 or try to,

00:16:36.540 you know,

00:16:37.060 talk about where you're at

00:16:38.260 in polls,

00:16:38.740 but for the most part,

00:16:39.640 the images that you convey

00:16:40.900 and the sentences

00:16:41.920 that you write

00:16:43.680 to say

00:16:44.700 are going to be

00:16:45.580 the only things

00:16:46.580 that are conveyed

00:16:47.180 to a larger audience.

00:16:48.880 And then,

00:16:49.960 every other standard,

00:16:52.060 you have Wednesday,

00:16:53.440 Thursday,

00:16:53.940 Friday,

00:16:54.420 Saturday,

00:16:54.900 Sunday,

00:16:55.200 you go do a tour

00:16:56.080 of the country

00:16:56.600 and you sit down

00:16:57.320 and do those interviews

00:16:58.180 that you were talking about,

00:16:59.900 Megan,

00:17:00.120 and you start putting

00:17:00.740 some meat on the bones.

00:17:02.040 And hell,

00:17:02.400 if you get into a conversation

00:17:03.560 about Bitcoin

00:17:04.400 or cryptocurrency

00:17:05.400 at some point

00:17:06.280 down the road,

00:17:07.200 terrific.

00:17:07.960 But what you lead with

00:17:09.040 is not that.

00:17:10.620 You've got to have

00:17:11.440 a much broader,

00:17:12.480 much more significant

00:17:14.200 announcement

00:17:15.700 that stands the test of time.

00:17:17.400 And, you know,

00:17:17.840 again,

00:17:18.160 this was a miss.

00:17:19.560 I don't think it's fatal.

00:17:21.240 I think they can figure out

00:17:22.220 how to get back

00:17:22.720 on their feet here,

00:17:23.640 but it is not good.

00:17:25.920 The other piece of it is

00:17:27.100 if you're making

00:17:27.980 a presidential announcement,

00:17:29.720 don't sit next to Beyonce

00:17:31.660 while doing it.

00:17:34.880 You should be

00:17:35.820 the biggest star

00:17:36.780 in the room.

00:17:38.300 You should be

00:17:38.700 the most interesting person

00:17:40.040 in the room.

00:17:40.780 And he wasn't.

00:17:42.360 He wasn't.

00:17:44.020 Yeah,

00:17:44.380 I don't know.

00:17:46.480 Look,

00:17:46.860 we will maybe never know

00:17:48.640 how all this came about,

00:17:50.460 whose idea it was.

00:17:52.240 You know,

00:17:52.500 obviously,

00:17:53.040 there's been a huge revolution

00:17:54.220 on the right

00:17:54.740 as it comes to Twitter

00:17:55.840 and Elon

00:17:56.400 and, you know,

00:17:57.480 the interest in Tucker Carlson

00:17:58.940 now after he leaves Fox.

00:18:00.400 And so you understand

00:18:01.440 the niche marketplace.

00:18:02.320 And I get sort of

00:18:03.520 toying around

00:18:04.300 with doing an idea

00:18:05.360 to make that central

00:18:07.020 to an announcement.

00:18:08.160 You just don't make it

00:18:09.320 the announcement.

00:18:11.180 And again,

00:18:12.140 everyone's interested in Elon

00:18:13.500 and you're right.

00:18:14.800 You never want to sit

00:18:15.980 next to Beyonce. 0.64

00:18:16.980 That's such a good way

00:18:17.720 of putting it.

00:18:19.420 You know,

00:18:19.660 when I heard they were

00:18:20.720 doing this event yesterday,

00:18:21.620 I thought this is great.

00:18:23.020 You know,

00:18:23.180 they're bypassing

00:18:23.960 traditional media.

00:18:25.240 It's kind of an FU

00:18:26.140 to Fox News, too,

00:18:27.320 which isn't the monopoly

00:18:28.480 it used to be

00:18:29.500 and is kind of in trouble

00:18:30.740 with its viewers right now

00:18:31.900 in the wake of Tucker.

00:18:33.100 So it seems savvy to me.

00:18:34.200 I did not realize

00:18:35.100 that Elon was going

00:18:35.980 to be kind of co-hosting it.

00:18:37.460 I thought it was going

00:18:38.080 to be like,

00:18:38.520 hey, welcome to Twitter.

00:18:39.640 Here's David Sachs,

00:18:40.640 you know,

00:18:41.260 tossing to Ron DeSantis.

00:18:42.640 And maybe they have

00:18:43.420 a few questions

00:18:44.280 and DeSantis is off

00:18:45.700 to the races.

00:18:46.240 Did not realize

00:18:46.980 that the star,

00:18:47.740 the true star,

00:18:48.760 was going to be staying there.

00:18:51.520 He was staying in the room.

00:18:53.340 Well,

00:18:53.720 and again,

00:18:54.540 just go back.

00:18:55.740 There are plenty of spots

00:18:57.160 in conservative media

00:18:58.560 that you can go

00:18:59.560 get what you're looking for.

00:19:01.280 If you decided

00:19:01.860 you wanted to bypass

00:19:02.620 all of it,

00:19:03.220 it's a statement.

00:19:03.780 Go on the Variety Program.

00:19:05.580 Come on the Variety Program.

00:19:06.560 Go on Megyn Kelly.

00:19:07.680 Go on Ben Shapiro.

00:19:08.900 Go.

00:19:09.240 There's a lot of places

00:19:10.120 that have millions of people

00:19:11.500 in their audience

00:19:12.480 that you can go talk to

00:19:14.060 that they can actually

00:19:15.200 see your face

00:19:16.240 at the same time.

00:19:18.820 I just,

00:19:19.760 you know,

00:19:20.080 it's disappointing.

00:19:20.940 And it's disappointing

00:19:21.500 for a lot of us,

00:19:22.280 I think,

00:19:22.980 that had put a ton of stock

00:19:24.640 into what he has been selling

00:19:27.000 over the last couple of years

00:19:28.260 and think that

00:19:28.880 now may be the perfect time

00:19:30.420 for Ron DeSantis.

00:19:31.060 It still may be,

00:19:32.220 Megan.

00:19:32.740 It really still may be.

00:19:34.200 But I do think

00:19:34.860 he's given the opportunity

00:19:35.820 for other candidates

00:19:36.660 not named Trump

00:19:37.540 to make a case

00:19:38.680 which was not the case

00:19:39.940 four or five months ago.

00:19:42.260 Now we've got this

00:19:43.640 Ron DeSantis video

00:19:44.980 that's been put out

00:19:46.100 featuring Beyonce.

00:19:48.780 I mean,

00:19:49.500 Elon.

00:19:49.800 Here it is.

00:19:51.280 I don't know what this is about,

00:19:52.360 but it's thought seven.

00:19:53.040 Well,

00:19:55.200 I am running

00:19:56.060 for president

00:19:56.740 of the United States

00:19:57.740 to lead

00:19:58.420 our great

00:19:59.300 American comeback.

00:20:00.800 Look,

00:20:01.240 we know our country's

00:20:02.160 going in the wrong direction.

00:20:03.400 We see it with our eyes

00:20:04.600 and we feel it

00:20:05.760 in our bones.

00:20:06.860 Our southern borders

00:20:07.740 collapse.

00:20:08.580 Drugs are pouring

00:20:09.300 into the country.

00:20:10.540 Our cities are being

00:20:11.420 hollowed out

00:20:12.020 by spiking crime.

00:20:13.700 The federal government's

00:20:14.520 making it harder

00:20:15.160 for the average family

00:20:16.160 to make ends meet

00:20:17.100 and to attain

00:20:17.800 and maintain

00:20:18.580 a middle-class lifestyle.

00:20:20.440 And our president,

00:20:21.620 well,

00:20:21.880 he lacks vigor,

00:20:22.620 flounders in the face

00:20:23.760 of our nation's challenges

00:20:24.940 and he takes his cues

00:20:26.360 from the woke mob.

00:20:28.080 Okay.

00:20:28.540 This was put out

00:20:29.280 by Team DeSantis today.

00:20:30.780 For the listening audience,

00:20:32.120 it is literally 50-50

00:20:33.260 DeSantis and Elon.

00:20:34.340 Video clips of Elon

00:20:35.560 at Tesla,

00:20:36.720 at the rocket launch.

00:20:37.740 What,

00:20:38.040 is Elon running

00:20:38.880 for vice president?

00:20:39.720 Is he running

00:20:40.060 for president?

00:20:40.740 Is DeSantis in the...

00:20:41.580 What is this?

00:20:43.280 I wonder if Elon

00:20:44.300 knew he was going

00:20:45.020 to be so prominently

00:20:45.880 featured in the

00:20:46.720 rollout video.

00:20:48.080 I mean,

00:20:48.340 as far as I know,

00:20:49.360 I don't think he's

00:20:49.880 made an endorsement here.

00:20:51.120 He's certainly happy

00:20:51.800 to host the platform.

00:20:53.220 But, I mean,

00:20:54.160 also,

00:20:55.000 just the audio overlay

00:20:56.760 there, Megan,

00:20:57.920 doesn't exactly

00:20:59.700 make you want

00:21:00.380 to do the Kool-Aid man

00:21:01.440 through the brick wall,

00:21:02.620 does it?

00:21:03.400 It doesn't.

00:21:04.380 They need,

00:21:04.940 desperately,

00:21:05.680 Debbie Murphy.

00:21:06.320 But again,

00:21:06.660 they cannot have her.

00:21:08.080 They cannot have her.

00:21:08.700 But they need

00:21:09.220 somebody talented

00:21:10.180 to show them

00:21:10.960 how to paper

00:21:12.580 a campaign,

00:21:13.660 to produce it

00:21:15.440 and present it

00:21:16.440 in a way that resonates,

00:21:17.580 especially when

00:21:18.980 you've got a guy

00:21:19.860 for whom none

00:21:20.880 of that comes naturally.

00:21:22.620 He is stiff

00:21:23.820 as a board,

00:21:24.680 Holmes.

00:21:24.960 He is.

00:21:25.440 He's not warm

00:21:27.780 and fuzzy.

00:21:28.660 You know,

00:21:28.860 there is a charm

00:21:29.940 problem.

00:21:30.720 And I,

00:21:31.320 as a voter,

00:21:31.740 could get right past

00:21:33.000 that,

00:21:33.440 right past that.

00:21:35.040 But it has to be

00:21:36.380 addressed and managed

00:21:37.460 in some way.

00:21:38.320 You do this kind

00:21:39.320 of thing for a living,

00:21:40.320 right?

00:21:40.920 What would you do?

00:21:42.000 What would you say?

00:21:43.280 Well,

00:21:43.480 to be honest with you,

00:21:44.400 Megan,

00:21:44.520 they did it in 2022.

00:21:46.560 I mean,

00:21:46.700 if you look at the campaign

00:21:47.580 that he ran for re-election

00:21:48.960 of governor

00:21:49.540 when he set up a record

00:21:50.980 for the margin

00:21:52.820 that he put up

00:21:53.540 in his victory,

00:21:54.540 that's what he did.

00:21:55.900 It was very well stagecrafted.

00:21:57.700 He had messages

00:21:58.460 where he just controlled

00:21:59.960 every single week,

00:22:01.660 put against a backdrop

00:22:02.960 of exactly where

00:22:04.020 he wanted to be

00:22:04.900 and hit the cadences

00:22:06.200 along the way

00:22:07.260 that needed to be done

00:22:08.060 throughout the campaign.

00:22:09.500 Somewhere along the way,

00:22:10.720 post-election,

00:22:11.640 and by the way,

00:22:12.500 election night 2022.

00:22:13.620 I don't think

00:22:14.940 I've ever seen

00:22:16.080 better visuals

00:22:17.620 and audio conveyed

00:22:19.700 from a re-election

00:22:21.300 of a governor

00:22:22.040 than Ron DeSantis

00:22:23.160 had on election night 2022.

00:22:25.740 He looked like a winner.

00:22:26.720 He looked like a winner.

00:22:27.960 He looked great.

00:22:28.560 His wife looked great.

00:22:29.820 Everything was just,

00:22:30.900 you know,

00:22:31.520 through the moon.

00:22:32.700 But then now,

00:22:33.520 somewhere along the way

00:22:34.440 in the last six months

00:22:35.320 as this thing

00:22:35.740 has gotten organized,

00:22:37.340 they've had to rely

00:22:38.280 on a whole bunch of stuff

00:22:39.340 from a super PAC,

00:22:40.620 which, as you know,

00:22:41.380 has to be sort of disconnected

00:22:42.760 from the campaign itself.

00:22:44.500 I don't know

00:22:45.040 if that caused

00:22:45.800 some confusion here

00:22:47.040 or if somewhere wires

00:22:49.720 got crossed

00:22:50.440 because what they were doing

00:22:52.220 was working.

00:22:54.160 This is not.

00:22:55.280 Now he's going on

00:22:56.400 a media tour

00:22:57.180 and I like all these people,

00:22:59.560 so I say this respectfully,

00:23:00.800 but he's going back

00:23:01.460 on the Dana Lash program.

00:23:03.160 He's going on

00:23:04.040 with Eric Erickson,

00:23:05.320 who's a regional radio host

00:23:06.740 in Georgia.

00:23:08.380 I don't get it, Holmes.

00:23:10.700 Once again,

00:23:12.100 bypassing the Megyn Kelly show,

00:23:13.740 which is insane.

00:23:15.100 I mean, honestly,

00:23:15.980 we have 10 times

00:23:17.140 the viewers and audience.

00:23:18.860 But so, okay.

00:23:20.140 He's afraid of tough questions.

00:23:21.480 That's what that tells me.

00:23:22.440 Honestly,

00:23:22.900 it's not about my offense.

00:23:25.840 He doesn't,

00:23:26.280 Trump hasn't come on either,

00:23:27.220 though I haven't yet asked Trump.

00:23:28.440 We've had a long history

00:23:29.300 of interviewing.

00:23:30.420 As it turns out.

00:23:31.440 And we'll go back to it.

00:23:32.220 We'll go back to it.

00:23:32.680 But my point is,

00:23:33.700 there's a reason

00:23:34.380 he's doing what he's doing

00:23:35.760 and I don't get it.

00:23:37.240 Like,

00:23:38.040 being subjected

00:23:38.900 to adversarial questions

00:23:39.980 is a good thing,

00:23:41.020 especially for Ron DeSantis.

00:23:42.440 Whenever he's taken on

00:23:43.420 media reporters,

00:23:44.440 his numbers went through the roof.

00:23:45.640 He could take a lesson

00:23:46.300 from Carrie Lake.

00:23:47.440 How did she become

00:23:48.100 a household name?

00:23:49.200 It wasn't because

00:23:49.820 she was pushing 0.97

00:23:50.340 the right policies

00:23:51.180 for Arizona.

00:23:52.180 It was because

00:23:52.900 of those viral dust-ups

00:23:54.240 she had with reporters

00:23:55.600 and she'd get right back

00:23:56.780 up in their grills

00:23:58.080 and Republican audiences

00:23:59.760 freaking love that stuff.

00:24:01.340 Yeah.

00:24:01.760 Yeah.

00:24:02.260 It just, again,

00:24:03.000 it feels very online.

00:24:04.320 It feels very niche.

00:24:06.580 The most active

00:24:08.960 of the activist online crowd

00:24:11.300 seems like this message

00:24:13.460 is being tailored to right now.

00:24:15.400 And I agree.

00:24:16.700 First of all,

00:24:17.640 Ron DeSantis

00:24:18.180 is perfectly well-equipped

00:24:20.100 as a candidate

00:24:20.840 to handle

00:24:21.740 just about anything

00:24:23.040 you throw in front of him.

00:24:24.260 Yes.

00:24:24.360 Remember him bulldozing

00:24:25.820 those reporters down there 0.98

00:24:26.940 trying to blame him

00:24:27.700 for hurricane preparedness

00:24:29.420 and everything else?

00:24:30.300 I mean,

00:24:30.440 he just absolutely crushed it.

00:24:31.900 His COVID interactions

00:24:33.060 with those press conferences

00:24:34.160 on our week-by-week faces

00:24:35.780 were perfect.

00:24:37.640 He's perfectly capable

00:24:39.180 of doing all of that.

00:24:40.700 Maybe there is a method

00:24:41.920 to the madness.

00:24:42.780 It is not evident

00:24:43.760 to me right now.

00:24:45.720 They've got to broaden

00:24:46.720 the aperture here.

00:24:48.560 And if it's not

00:24:49.400 Megyn Kelly's show

00:24:50.980 and it's not

00:24:51.640 Ben Shapiro's show

00:24:53.000 and it's not

00:24:53.480 these larger audiences,

00:24:55.480 not to mention,

00:24:56.240 you're going to go

00:24:56.840 do the cable news stuff too,

00:24:59.420 then I don't know

00:25:00.000 who you're talking to ultimately

00:25:01.440 because this is about

00:25:02.640 if he's got to win,

00:25:04.060 by the way,

00:25:04.820 if he's going to win,

00:25:06.260 he can't have

00:25:07.200 the same primary turnout

00:25:08.740 that we had

00:25:09.540 in 2020

00:25:10.560 and 2016.

00:25:12.400 He needs to broaden

00:25:13.440 the aperture.

00:25:14.440 You need to get people

00:25:15.100 who were active

00:25:16.260 primary voters

00:25:17.180 in 2014 and 2016

00:25:18.680 that have since left

00:25:20.400 or become frustrated

00:25:21.480 with Trump

00:25:22.060 or what have you

00:25:22.960 to begin

00:25:24.020 to push back

00:25:24.920 on that already

00:25:25.540 locked in 35%

00:25:27.220 of the current

00:25:28.220 primary electorate

00:25:29.100 that the former president

00:25:30.540 already has

00:25:31.620 in the bank,

00:25:32.400 right?

00:25:33.020 So with that in mind,

00:25:34.680 knowing that you've

00:25:35.400 got to go get out,

00:25:36.340 get those voters anyway,

00:25:38.120 when do you start

00:25:38.760 talking to them?

00:25:40.120 Right, right.

00:25:40.880 You can't,

00:25:41.720 you've got to reach out

00:25:43.600 beyond just your favorite,

00:25:45.340 you know,

00:25:46.080 people who are asking you

00:25:47.480 the questions

00:25:48.060 that make you feel

00:25:48.880 all warm and fuzzy inside.

00:25:50.220 You just have to.

00:25:51.540 There's only one road

00:25:52.740 to the presidency

00:25:53.540 and that's something

00:25:54.480 Donald Trump

00:25:54.940 was very good at.

00:25:55.860 I mean,

00:25:56.000 he would take questions

00:25:56.740 from anybody

00:25:57.580 and still will.

00:25:58.840 Haters,

00:25:59.300 non-haters,

00:26:00.380 there's only one road there.

00:26:01.900 So now Trump responding

00:26:03.180 in a number of ways.

00:26:04.440 We'll get into some of this

00:26:05.300 in a minute with Cash,

00:26:06.780 but I want to show you

00:26:08.020 this new Trump ad

00:26:09.500 just dropped by his team.

00:26:11.780 Watch this.

00:26:14.420 The Washington established

00:26:16.180 politicians like to talk

00:26:18.060 about how they can be

00:26:19.620 just like Donald Trump.

00:26:21.620 The truth?

00:26:23.660 There's only one

00:26:24.900 Donald Trump.

00:26:26.120 Only one

00:26:28.180 who gave us

00:26:28.940 the largest tax cuts

00:26:30.100 in history,

00:26:30.960 who gave vets

00:26:32.080 the health care

00:26:32.740 they deserve

00:26:33.420 and stood up to China 0.88

00:26:35.480 and protected your job.

00:26:38.320 Only one

00:26:39.060 who kept us

00:26:40.000 out of endless wars

00:26:41.160 while destroying

00:26:42.520 our terrorist enemies.

00:26:44.760 Only one

00:26:45.600 who fundamentally

00:26:46.780 changed the Supreme Court,

00:26:49.080 was called

00:26:49.540 the most pro-life

00:26:50.460 president in history

00:26:51.620 and relentlessly

00:26:53.040 protected our

00:26:53.960 Second Amendment rights

00:26:55.160 and our borders.

00:26:57.420 Why would we ever

00:26:58.200 settle for Trump

00:26:59.540 imposters?

00:27:01.040 Make America

00:27:02.180 great again.

00:27:03.620 When there's only one

00:27:05.180 starting day one

00:27:07.220 who can make

00:27:08.560 America great

00:27:09.800 again.

00:27:11.500 I'm Donald J. Trump

00:27:12.560 and I approve

00:27:13.120 this message.

00:27:13.800 It's good.

00:27:18.840 It's good.

00:27:19.320 It's really good.

00:27:21.440 I mean, look,

00:27:22.440 Donald Trump

00:27:23.120 is running

00:27:23.700 a very good

00:27:25.160 campaign.

00:27:26.360 But part of

00:27:27.500 why he can

00:27:28.360 run a very

00:27:29.160 good campaign

00:27:30.020 is because

00:27:31.100 as of right

00:27:32.500 now,

00:27:33.140 he has no

00:27:33.920 challengers

00:27:34.460 who have challenged

00:27:35.200 him on any

00:27:36.000 of the issues,

00:27:36.960 his record,

00:27:38.120 his moral

00:27:39.820 responsibilities,

00:27:41.460 anything.

00:27:41.860 Basically,

00:27:43.280 everybody's been

00:27:43.740 trying to play

00:27:44.320 for Trump life.

00:27:45.520 And I'm just

00:27:46.560 not sure how

00:27:47.060 that works.

00:27:48.000 That video

00:27:48.560 for the listening

00:27:49.180 audience ended

00:27:49.940 with you heard

00:27:50.820 somebody say,

00:27:51.580 make America

00:27:52.140 great again.

00:27:52.980 And that man

00:27:53.620 was Ron DeSantis

00:27:54.940 holding up

00:27:56.060 those words

00:27:56.660 in front of

00:27:57.840 children back,

00:27:59.600 obviously,

00:27:59.860 when he was

00:28:00.260 running for governor

00:28:00.960 and Trump

00:28:01.360 was supporting him.

00:28:02.160 But pretty

00:28:03.140 powerful and

00:28:04.140 savvy.

00:28:05.760 I want to just

00:28:06.720 give you a flavor

00:28:07.440 for the way

00:28:08.040 this is being

00:28:08.640 covered now,

00:28:09.760 the DeSantis

00:28:10.360 launch by

00:28:11.780 the media.

00:28:12.460 Of course,

00:28:12.840 it's terrible.

00:28:14.000 But for once,

00:28:14.720 it's justified,

00:28:15.460 in my view.

00:28:16.200 You've got

00:28:16.680 New York Times

00:28:18.360 calls it a fiasco.

00:28:19.880 NBC News

00:28:20.460 calls it a meltdown.

00:28:21.440 Washington Post,

00:28:22.440 awkward.

00:28:23.240 Politico calls

00:28:23.880 it horrendous.

00:28:26.300 Everyone is

00:28:27.140 calling it

00:28:27.800 a disaster,

00:28:29.620 D-E-S-A-S-T-E-R, 1.00

00:28:32.980 which is the

00:28:33.900 last moniker

00:28:34.540 they want to

00:28:35.000 have stick,

00:28:36.320 right?

00:28:36.620 Ron's disaster,

00:28:37.680 courtesy here

00:28:38.260 of the Daily Mail.

00:28:39.080 debacle,

00:28:41.640 Breitbart called

00:28:42.540 it,

00:28:42.900 Ron's debacle.

00:28:45.220 On and on

00:28:45.900 it could go.

00:28:47.300 So,

00:28:48.320 he's hurt.

00:28:49.280 He did not

00:28:50.120 advance the ball

00:28:50.920 last night.

00:28:51.420 He hurt himself.

00:28:52.600 But does it

00:28:53.120 last?

00:28:53.580 Does it matter?

00:28:55.060 You know,

00:28:55.280 again,

00:28:55.740 I don't know

00:28:56.040 if it does.

00:28:57.100 Look,

00:28:57.600 you can't take

00:28:58.220 it back and

00:28:58.720 everybody will

00:28:59.340 remember this

00:29:00.640 and his

00:29:01.360 detractors use

00:29:02.380 it as a reason

00:29:02.980 to never

00:29:03.300 consider him

00:29:04.040 and this,

00:29:04.920 that,

00:29:05.100 and the other

00:29:05.340 thing.

00:29:05.640 And of course,

00:29:05.940 the left

00:29:06.320 will help

00:29:06.660 amplify all

00:29:07.420 of that

00:29:07.740 and try to

00:29:08.080 make it as

00:29:08.420 difficult on

00:29:09.000 him as

00:29:09.240 possible.

00:29:10.000 Because I

00:29:10.320 do think a

00:29:10.800 lot within

00:29:11.300 the progressive

00:29:11.860 movement,

00:29:12.420 the Democratic

00:29:12.860 Party,

00:29:13.720 see Ron DeSantis

00:29:14.460 as a much

00:29:15.160 more formidable

00:29:15.920 general election

00:29:16.720 candidate than

00:29:17.780 President Trump.

00:29:18.460 So they'll hang

00:29:18.840 that around his

00:29:19.360 neck.

00:29:19.640 But that being

00:29:20.040 said,

00:29:20.260 if he raises

00:29:20.780 the money,

00:29:21.640 if he gets

00:29:22.180 out there

00:29:22.640 and campaigns

00:29:23.280 hard,

00:29:24.040 if he starts

00:29:24.540 showing us

00:29:24.960 a little bit

00:29:25.340 of a different

00:29:26.040 side of Ron

00:29:26.660 DeSantis,

00:29:27.120 some of the

00:29:27.460 stuff that we

00:29:27.920 saw in 22

00:29:28.780 and before,

00:29:30.320 he can get

00:29:30.940 this back.

00:29:31.640 I think the

00:29:31.980 most important

00:29:32.520 part is

00:29:33.240 you've got to

00:29:34.220 have some

00:29:34.640 audacity here.

00:29:35.680 You've got to

00:29:36.180 shoot from the

00:29:36.720 hip.

00:29:37.100 You've got to

00:29:37.500 have some

00:29:39.200 just genuine

00:29:40.500 belief in

00:29:41.700 yourself and

00:29:42.160 not be afraid

00:29:42.780 to make

00:29:43.200 mistakes,

00:29:43.980 even though

00:29:44.940 this one was

00:29:45.560 a big one.

00:29:46.340 He's going to

00:29:46.820 have to just

00:29:47.300 go out and

00:29:47.900 try to get

00:29:48.420 it.

00:29:48.920 And there

00:29:49.120 is a point

00:29:49.980 in every

00:29:50.500 campaign,

00:29:51.180 Megan,

00:29:51.720 whether you're

00:29:52.340 running for

00:29:52.860 Senate,

00:29:53.260 you're running

00:29:53.560 for president,

00:29:54.400 there is a

00:29:55.000 point in

00:29:55.540 every campaign

00:29:56.400 where the

00:29:57.080 candidate needs

00:29:58.140 to deliver.

00:30:00.300 This,

00:30:00.960 unfortunately,

00:30:01.720 for the DeSantis

00:30:02.140 campaign,

00:30:02.700 is coming much

00:30:03.220 earlier than

00:30:04.300 they want.

00:30:04.920 Typically,

00:30:05.260 that's in a

00:30:05.800 debate setting

00:30:06.940 or in a big

00:30:07.720 rally setting

00:30:08.440 down the road

00:30:09.160 close to an

00:30:09.820 Iowa caucus.

00:30:10.740 It's happening

00:30:11.580 day two of

00:30:12.780 the DeSantis

00:30:13.260 campaign,

00:30:14.440 but it's

00:30:14.780 unmistakable

00:30:15.540 and it needs

00:30:15.960 to happen.

00:30:16.960 I've told

00:30:17.200 the story

00:30:17.480 before,

00:30:17.960 but it's

00:30:18.260 all I can

00:30:18.680 think about

00:30:19.100 today.

00:30:19.840 There was

00:30:20.400 an event

00:30:20.760 years ago

00:30:21.260 that I

00:30:21.600 co-anchored,

00:30:22.600 co-hosted

00:30:23.240 with Bob

00:30:24.080 Costas in

00:30:25.160 front of all

00:30:25.500 these media

00:30:26.040 types.

00:30:27.220 And I was

00:30:29.540 trying to be

00:30:30.240 funny,

00:30:30.880 Holmes.

00:30:31.120 It wasn't

00:30:33.160 going well.

00:30:34.320 I needed

00:30:34.960 my friends

00:30:35.480 for ruthless.

00:30:36.580 It wasn't

00:30:37.120 going well.

00:30:37.940 Literally,

00:30:38.400 nobody clapped

00:30:39.400 or even

00:30:40.000 bothered to

00:30:40.480 do the

00:30:40.720 fake,

00:30:41.160 polite laugh.

00:30:42.400 But I

00:30:42.980 kept trying

00:30:43.600 because I'm

00:30:44.140 a glutton

00:30:44.520 for self-punishment.

00:30:45.960 And at the

00:30:46.660 end,

00:30:46.980 I saw my

00:30:47.520 then agent.

00:30:48.500 She came

00:30:48.840 over and

00:30:49.940 I was like,

00:30:50.860 it didn't seem

00:30:51.620 to go very

00:30:52.180 well.

00:30:52.840 And she

00:30:53.020 looked at me

00:30:54.460 and she

00:30:54.700 said,

00:30:55.660 onward.

00:30:58.260 Onward.

00:30:59.840 Onward.

00:31:00.760 I mean,

00:31:01.440 that's a

00:31:02.000 perfect bit

00:31:02.660 of advice,

00:31:03.420 Megan.

00:31:03.680 First of all,

00:31:04.100 I find it

00:31:04.500 impossible to

00:31:05.080 believe that

00:31:05.440 you weren't

00:31:05.760 charming and

00:31:06.320 funny.

00:31:06.660 It must have

00:31:06.960 been a

00:31:07.180 terrible

00:31:07.400 audience.

00:31:08.560 But secondly,

00:31:10.160 that's a

00:31:10.480 perfect way

00:31:11.020 of looking

00:31:11.360 at it.

00:31:11.800 I mean,

00:31:11.960 you're never

00:31:12.460 going to

00:31:12.840 have every

00:31:14.260 good day.

00:31:15.020 You'd like

00:31:15.400 your first

00:31:15.920 day to be

00:31:16.420 better than

00:31:16.840 most because

00:31:17.560 generally it's

00:31:18.460 the best day

00:31:19.040 that you have

00:31:19.420 in a campaign,

00:31:20.320 but it's not

00:31:21.200 and it wasn't.

00:31:22.040 And the only

00:31:22.440 way to get

00:31:22.900 through that is

00:31:23.420 to put it

00:31:23.760 behind you

00:31:24.220 and start

00:31:24.740 trying to

00:31:25.300 make progress

00:31:26.200 through everything

00:31:26.720 else.

00:31:27.020 He's got all

00:31:27.400 the tools in

00:31:27.900 the toolbox

00:31:28.240 in order to

00:31:28.880 do it.

00:31:29.500 They just

00:31:29.820 can't get

00:31:30.160 hung up on

00:31:30.720 this.

00:31:32.160 Josh Holmes,

00:31:32.960 what a pleasure.

00:31:33.660 Thank you for

00:31:34.020 coming on,

00:31:34.380 my friend.

00:31:35.320 Thank you,

00:31:35.740 Megan.

00:31:36.140 Onward.

00:31:37.060 Coming up,

00:31:37.820 Cash Patel

00:31:38.360 joins us.

00:31:39.180 And then later,

00:31:39.900 Jillian Michaels

00:31:40.500 is here and

00:31:41.140 we're going to

00:31:41.380 talk all things

00:31:42.160 fitness.

00:31:42.800 How'd she get

00:31:43.180 that beautiful

00:31:43.560 body?

00:31:44.080 And how can

00:31:44.340 the rest of

00:31:44.660 us have it

00:31:45.000 too?

00:31:47.900 Now it's

00:31:48.440 quiet.

00:31:49.120 We want to

00:31:49.580 welcome you to

00:31:50.120 this historic

00:31:50.820 Twitter Spaces

00:31:51.380 event and

00:31:52.040 tonight I'm

00:31:52.460 pleased to

00:31:52.760 introduce two

00:31:53.180 individuals who

00:31:53.780 have done

00:31:54.020 more to

00:31:54.480 loosen the

00:31:54.880 group.

00:31:57.880 Sorry about

00:31:58.500 that.

00:31:59.300 We've got so

00:32:00.100 many people

00:32:00.480 here.

00:32:00.920 I think we've

00:32:01.360 got just a

00:32:03.760 massive number

00:32:04.240 of people

00:32:04.600 online, so

00:32:05.620 it's

00:32:06.220 surface

00:32:07.460 restraining

00:32:07.860 somewhat.

00:32:08.440 All right,

00:32:08.640 well, it's

00:32:08.920 certainly an

00:32:09.940 incredible

00:32:10.200 honor to

00:32:10.920 have Governor

00:32:11.920 DeSantis make

00:32:13.120 this stark

00:32:13.880 announcement.

00:32:16.200 Oh, God.

00:32:21.380 Yeah, you

00:32:23.000 get the hint.

00:32:23.900 You get the

00:32:24.420 picture.

00:32:24.920 You get the

00:32:25.420 picture of how

00:32:25.920 it went last

00:32:26.460 night as they

00:32:27.420 tried to launch

00:32:27.980 this event on

00:32:28.660 Twitter Spaces.

00:32:29.360 Welcome back to

00:32:29.860 The Megyn Kelly

00:32:30.380 Show.

00:32:31.040 That was some

00:32:31.900 highlights of

00:32:32.620 the tech

00:32:33.160 meltdowns last

00:32:33.880 night during

00:32:34.380 Governor DeSantis'

00:32:35.420 announcement for

00:32:36.000 president.

00:32:36.900 Now for some

00:32:37.720 reaction from

00:32:38.300 someone close to

00:32:39.020 former President

00:32:39.600 Trump, Cash

00:32:40.500 Patel.

00:32:41.360 Cash served as

00:32:42.000 Trump's deputy

00:32:42.560 assistant and as

00:32:43.660 chief of staff to

00:32:44.740 the Secretary of

00:32:45.320 Defense.

00:32:46.140 He was also a

00:32:46.680 member of Truth

00:32:47.420 Social's board of

00:32:48.580 directors.

00:32:49.080 Cash, welcome

00:32:49.960 back.

00:32:50.600 Great to have

00:32:51.000 you.

00:32:52.340 Hey, Megan.

00:32:53.040 Great to be back

00:32:53.620 with you on the

00:32:53.980 show.

00:32:54.200 Thanks.

00:32:54.540 All right.

00:32:54.820 So what was your

00:32:55.500 reaction watching

00:32:56.320 all of this?

00:32:58.180 Well, it seems

00:32:59.080 fitting that Ron

00:33:00.100 DeSantis goes on

00:33:01.260 Twitter to announce

00:33:02.280 that he's going to

00:33:02.980 decapitate the FBI

00:33:04.200 and anyone that

00:33:05.020 colluded with big

00:33:06.220 tech when FBI and

00:33:07.900 Twitter were the two

00:33:09.040 biggest collaborators

00:33:10.140 in conspiring to

00:33:11.840 rig a presidential

00:33:12.420 election and

00:33:13.500 censor free speech.

00:33:14.520 So I found it

00:33:15.060 ironic that he

00:33:16.060 chose that platform.

00:33:18.260 And that was

00:33:18.860 pre-Elon, but I

00:33:19.800 found it ironic that

00:33:20.640 he chose that

00:33:21.200 platform and I

00:33:22.520 found it ironic that

00:33:23.480 it didn't really

00:33:24.200 work out the way

00:33:24.960 he wanted to on

00:33:26.120 the launch thing.

00:33:27.260 But I'm glad he's

00:33:28.700 in the fight because

00:33:29.580 for me as a Trump

00:33:30.640 advisor, it shows me

00:33:32.300 all the former

00:33:33.000 quote-unquote Trump

00:33:33.820 advisors that are

00:33:34.680 over there that

00:33:35.980 have shifted sides

00:33:37.860 and that's the

00:33:38.380 right to do so.

00:33:39.160 But now the lines

00:33:40.000 are drawn and we

00:33:41.140 don't have to guess

00:33:42.480 about it anymore.

00:33:43.200 Trump responded with

00:33:45.560 a few different

00:33:46.260 videos, one which

00:33:48.740 kind of captured

00:33:50.380 the moment.

00:33:50.940 It's only four

00:33:51.380 seconds long for the

00:33:52.340 listening audience.

00:33:53.140 It shows a rocket

00:33:54.980 failing to launch

00:33:57.320 and exploding.

00:33:58.220 We'll show it for

00:33:58.780 the YouTube audience.

00:34:00.220 Watch.

00:34:03.140 It says, Ron, and

00:34:05.180 down goes the rocket.

00:34:07.040 It's just video and

00:34:07.960 then explodes.

00:34:09.560 You know, pretty

00:34:10.320 apt.

00:34:10.820 It was not a great

00:34:11.740 launch.

00:34:12.280 What was the reaction

00:34:12.980 as far as you know

00:34:13.600 inside Trump world?

00:34:16.040 Well, I think you

00:34:17.240 saw it with President

00:34:18.080 Trump's multiple

00:34:18.800 truths and videos

00:34:19.660 that he put out

00:34:20.240 there.

00:34:20.720 He summarized it as

00:34:22.020 best as he could in

00:34:23.040 that four-second span.

00:34:24.260 It was a failure to

00:34:25.200 launch.

00:34:26.240 And when you go out

00:34:27.680 there and analyze

00:34:28.760 what Ron DeSantis

00:34:30.040 said, I didn't find

00:34:31.820 anything of

00:34:32.560 substantive value

00:34:33.660 that he would do

00:34:35.060 differently than

00:34:35.780 Donald Trump did

00:34:36.940 when he was

00:34:37.660 president and what

00:34:38.560 he's outlined in

00:34:39.360 his Agenda 47.

00:34:40.580 I'm sure there's

00:34:41.000 some minor issues

00:34:42.100 I didn't pick up

00:34:42.780 on.

00:34:43.400 But to me, as a

00:34:44.560 senior advisor to

00:34:45.280 President Trump, I'm

00:34:46.800 looking to see what

00:34:47.860 is the monumental

00:34:48.520 difference.

00:34:49.360 Why would people

00:34:50.000 want to go with

00:34:50.680 Ron DeSantis if

00:34:52.160 President Trump has

00:34:53.060 ran and done it

00:34:54.100 successfully as

00:34:54.860 president before?

00:34:55.880 I just didn't see

00:34:56.620 anything big in

00:34:57.880 terms of policy.

00:34:59.180 He made the point

00:34:59.880 that he is going to

00:35:00.640 build the wall that

00:35:01.500 Trump did not wind

00:35:02.760 up building.

00:35:03.560 I mean, that's one

00:35:04.140 thing.

00:35:04.560 He seems to be

00:35:05.260 getting to the right

00:35:05.960 of Trump on this

00:35:08.000 gender nonsense 1.00

00:35:08.800 that we're seeing

00:35:09.540 out there, saying

00:35:10.360 a man cannot become 1.00

00:35:11.280 a woman, period. 0.99

00:35:12.380 I haven't heard

00:35:12.800 Trump go that far,

00:35:13.720 though I haven't

00:35:14.120 heard him asked

00:35:14.520 about this issue

00:35:15.240 lately, and things

00:35:16.720 have changed since

00:35:17.700 when he ran.

00:35:18.860 Do you see

00:35:19.420 differences on

00:35:19.960 those two points

00:35:20.480 between the two

00:35:20.940 men?

00:35:22.100 Well, I think

00:35:22.800 President Trump

00:35:23.940 did start to

00:35:24.600 build the wall.

00:35:25.340 You're right,

00:35:25.740 he didn't get to

00:35:26.820 finish it, so I'm

00:35:28.140 not sure that Ron

00:35:29.160 saying he's going

00:35:29.840 to, Governor

00:35:30.800 Sance is saying

00:35:31.440 he's going to

00:35:31.920 actually build or

00:35:32.780 complete it is a

00:35:33.560 monumental

00:35:34.140 difference in

00:35:34.900 policy.

00:35:35.320 President Trump

00:35:35.800 has said since

00:35:37.080 he launched his

00:35:37.700 campaign, he's

00:35:38.320 going to complete

00:35:39.040 finish building

00:35:39.700 that wall in

00:35:40.420 year one.

00:35:41.480 And on the

00:35:41.800 gender sort

00:35:43.420 of comments,

00:35:44.960 you know, he's

00:35:45.380 had individuals

00:35:46.300 like Riley

00:35:46.880 Gaines, and I've

00:35:47.520 been there at

00:35:48.440 events where

00:35:48.860 President Trump

00:35:49.460 has spoken, and

00:35:50.680 she's highlighted

00:35:51.660 the position that

00:35:53.460 basically he's

00:35:54.220 taken that men

00:35:55.560 do not belong in

00:35:56.480 women's sports,

00:35:57.220 period.

00:35:57.920 And I think if

00:35:58.520 someone in the

00:35:59.260 media were to

00:35:59.720 ask him with

00:36:00.380 more fidelity, you

00:36:01.360 would get an

00:36:01.800 answer that provides

00:36:04.340 a little sharper

00:36:04.980 contrast to what

00:36:06.700 Governor DeSantis

00:36:07.300 is saying.

00:36:07.800 But I don't think

00:36:08.240 there's any great

00:36:09.300 distinction there.

00:36:10.500 What do you make

00:36:10.920 hash of the

00:36:11.380 argument that he's

00:36:12.100 Trump without the

00:36:12.640 baggage, that we'll

00:36:13.760 get Trump, Trump

00:36:15.160 policies without the

00:36:16.760 tweets and

00:36:17.440 controversy?

00:36:18.700 I think that's

00:36:19.680 political rhetoric

00:36:20.580 they want out

00:36:21.480 there.

00:36:22.300 People have, you

00:36:23.020 know, I got to

00:36:23.380 remind people

00:36:23.900 sometimes that

00:36:24.680 President Trump

00:36:25.420 was president, and

00:36:26.840 Ron DeSantis

00:36:27.440 has not been

00:36:28.240 president.

00:36:28.780 And it's a unique

00:36:29.340 period in history

00:36:30.360 for America because

00:36:31.340 I think the last

00:36:31.980 time that happened

00:36:32.600 was Grover

00:36:33.760 Cleveland in

00:36:34.360 like the

00:36:34.660 1800s.

00:36:35.660 And so

00:36:36.060 President Trump

00:36:36.940 can run and

00:36:37.560 say, I did

00:36:38.240 this, and you

00:36:39.020 see that I did

00:36:39.880 this in national

00:36:40.980 security, in

00:36:41.600 economy, the

00:36:42.180 border, health

00:36:42.700 care, what have

00:36:43.280 you.

00:36:43.820 And Governor

00:36:44.280 DeSantis can say

00:36:45.240 that about what

00:36:45.980 he's done

00:36:46.400 successfully in the

00:36:48.140 state of Florida.

00:36:49.180 And the numbers

00:36:50.320 just don't lie at

00:36:51.160 the end of the

00:36:51.580 day.

00:36:52.080 President Trump

00:36:52.740 received 5 million

00:36:53.760 votes in the

00:36:54.340 state of Florida

00:36:54.820 in 2020, and

00:36:56.320 Governor DeSantis

00:36:56.840 received 4 million

00:36:57.760 votes in the

00:36:58.380 state of Florida

00:36:58.860 when he ran for

00:36:59.620 early election in

00:37:00.240 2022.

00:37:00.740 The message

00:37:03.840 from DeSantis

00:37:04.420 wasn't directly

00:37:05.140 anti-Trump.

00:37:06.120 He's smart

00:37:06.560 enough, I think,

00:37:08.240 to be careful

00:37:09.340 around that

00:37:09.820 issue, though

00:37:10.320 there's an

00:37:10.920 argument that he

00:37:11.400 should just

00:37:11.680 punch him in 0.99

00:37:12.020 the face because

00:37:12.480 it's on.

00:37:13.100 It's like,

00:37:13.620 Trump's going

00:37:14.100 to punch him

00:37:14.800 in the face

00:37:15.120 and has been,

00:37:15.780 so whatever,

00:37:17.160 politicos will

00:37:17.740 decide that.

00:37:19.140 But he made

00:37:20.020 a couple of

00:37:20.400 comments like

00:37:20.960 entertainment is

00:37:23.320 not governing,

00:37:24.140 or governing is

00:37:25.120 not about

00:37:25.400 entertainment,

00:37:25.980 something to that

00:37:26.400 effect, and

00:37:27.520 that we have to

00:37:28.180 get past what

00:37:29.240 the Republican

00:37:29.820 Party has been

00:37:30.360 suffering from

00:37:31.060 these past few

00:37:31.740 cycles, which is

00:37:32.460 a culture of

00:37:33.500 losing, a culture

00:37:35.140 of losing, which

00:37:36.840 clearly is a

00:37:38.020 reference to

00:37:38.720 Trump.

00:37:39.900 So what do you

00:37:40.420 make of those

00:37:40.720 two points?

00:37:42.540 Well, I think

00:37:43.340 on the culture

00:37:44.200 of losing, yeah,

00:37:45.140 it's tough to not

00:37:46.860 succeed in a

00:37:47.520 presidential election,

00:37:48.500 but I think also

00:37:49.400 there have been

00:37:49.920 valid arguments

00:37:50.740 made, especially

00:37:52.300 with the

00:37:52.640 highlighting of the

00:37:53.160 Durham report

00:37:53.700 and what Governor

00:37:54.220 DeSantis said

00:37:54.900 about himself

00:37:55.440 about censorship

00:37:56.220 and big tech

00:37:56.860 and the FBI

00:37:57.440 and other

00:37:58.420 government agents.

00:37:59.240 So when it

00:38:00.140 comes down to

00:38:00.880 whether it's a

00:38:01.420 failure of the

00:38:01.920 R&Cs, and I'm

00:38:02.820 a big critic of

00:38:03.540 them at often

00:38:04.680 points, the

00:38:06.100 Republican National

00:38:06.740 Committee and the

00:38:07.360 party, I don't

00:38:08.300 know that you can

00:38:08.800 just put that all

00:38:09.700 squarely on

00:38:10.300 President Trump,

00:38:11.580 given the history

00:38:12.400 of what's just

00:38:12.900 come out recently

00:38:13.580 in the Durham

00:38:14.020 report.

00:38:15.020 But it's the

00:38:16.000 separation that I

00:38:17.120 guess Governor

00:38:17.520 DeSantis is looking

00:38:18.380 for to see that

00:38:19.780 while you can't

00:38:20.480 go out there and

00:38:21.020 be Hollywood and

00:38:21.740 entertaining, the

00:38:22.460 unfortunate reality,

00:38:23.400 Megan, is we live

00:38:24.120 in a 24-7 news

00:38:25.200 cycle where if news

00:38:26.600 isn't breaking

00:38:27.120 every hour on the

00:38:28.100 hour, then

00:38:28.920 something's going

00:38:29.520 wrong in the

00:38:30.100 media, and that

00:38:30.840 is the definition

00:38:32.180 of having

00:38:32.720 entertainment enter

00:38:33.760 into the political

00:38:34.380 stream.

00:38:34.880 So I just don't

00:38:35.640 see how you do

00:38:36.240 it elsewise, and I

00:38:37.580 don't see anyone

00:38:38.080 who's better in the

00:38:38.720 media than President

00:38:39.480 Trump.

00:38:40.240 I pointed out

00:38:41.160 before some of the

00:38:42.260 headlines, Daily

00:38:43.440 Mail disaster, Fox

00:38:44.760 News called it a

00:38:45.420 disaster, Breitbart

00:38:46.300 News called it a

00:38:47.260 debacle, and you

00:38:49.320 could go on.

00:38:49.880 I mean, once you get

00:38:50.320 to the left-wing

00:38:50.800 media, it gets even

00:38:51.640 uglier than that.

00:38:52.560 Do you think, what

00:38:55.180 do you think it

00:38:55.680 says, if anything,

00:38:56.840 about DeSantis and

00:38:58.280 his candidacy?

00:38:59.820 I mean, is it more

00:39:00.680 than just a false

00:39:01.620 start?

00:39:03.560 Well, I think that's

00:39:04.500 a great point.

00:39:05.240 He could have

00:39:05.600 chosen to do this in

00:39:06.680 a live setting, at a

00:39:08.020 big audience, or at

00:39:10.020 multiple different

00:39:10.860 styles, go on a bus

00:39:12.820 tour, what have you,

00:39:14.020 but this is the

00:39:14.880 launch that he

00:39:15.860 engineered with Elon

00:39:17.320 Musk to do it in a 1.00

00:39:18.380 specific way at

00:39:19.220 Twitter, because to me,

00:39:20.760 I take it as that's

00:39:21.760 the style campaign he

00:39:22.780 wants to run.

00:39:23.840 He wants to be on

00:39:24.820 social media, which

00:39:26.320 is ironic when he

00:39:27.020 talks about he wants

00:39:27.720 to be less

00:39:28.580 entertaining.

00:39:29.860 And to me, President

00:39:31.240 Trump's style has

00:39:31.980 always been, I'm

00:39:32.780 going to be more in

00:39:33.380 person, and that's a

00:39:34.680 striking difference,

00:39:35.620 and the tone has now

00:39:36.560 been set, and we'll

00:39:37.660 see how they

00:39:38.140 recuperate or recover

00:39:39.580 from this sort of

00:39:40.460 failure to launch or

00:39:41.400 however you want to

00:39:42.080 style it, but I think

00:39:43.280 it's a great point

00:39:43.980 that you're making,

00:39:44.700 that the stylistic

00:39:45.780 differences right off

00:39:46.980 the bat are, I'm

00:39:48.700 going to launch on

00:39:49.300 Twitter and go,

00:39:50.760 100 miles an hour,

00:39:52.020 and President Trump

00:39:52.700 is going to continue

00:39:53.440 to do in-person

00:39:54.200 events and show up

00:39:55.180 in places like East

00:39:55.820 Palestine and do 0.89

00:39:56.580 rallies, and you're

00:39:58.460 going to see him

00:39:58.780 crisscross the country.

00:39:59.640 I'm sure Ron DeSantis

00:40:00.820 is going to start

00:40:01.380 doing that, but he

00:40:02.480 didn't do it from

00:40:03.260 the inception.

00:40:04.580 Trump sent out a

00:40:05.500 video, a montage,

00:40:06.980 trying to show the

00:40:07.540 differences between

00:40:08.240 his launch and

00:40:09.380 DeSantis' launch.

00:40:10.480 I want to take a

00:40:10.880 look at that for a

00:40:11.780 minute.

00:40:12.040 It's side 11.

00:40:12.580 We are kind of

00:40:27.340 melting the

00:40:27.760 servers.

00:40:28.160 And I'm proud to be

00:40:30.800 an American, where

00:40:32.760 at least I know I'm

00:40:34.700 free.

00:40:35.840 It's a freedom, and

00:40:36.760 his money has put

00:40:37.380 his money where his

00:40:38.280 mouth is.

00:40:38.740 Upset the narrative

00:40:39.980 is going to be

00:40:40.620 imposed on us by our

00:40:41.480 government.

00:40:42.100 Oh, God.

00:40:43.740 You get the feel.

00:40:46.460 So juxtaposing, two

00:40:48.640 very different looking

00:40:49.540 events.

00:40:51.320 But look, first of all,

00:40:52.840 my first impression

00:40:53.880 looking at that cash is

00:40:54.820 the cell phone ruins

00:40:55.840 everything, right?

00:40:56.840 Everybody, I see it at

00:40:57.820 my kids' recitals or

00:40:58.800 whatever.

00:40:59.320 It's like people don't

00:41:00.580 clap anymore.

00:41:01.600 They don't actually look

00:41:02.480 with their eyes anymore.

00:41:03.340 They only look through

00:41:03.980 their iPhone.

00:41:05.120 You know, in a normal

00:41:06.220 Trump rally, people would

00:41:07.440 be clapping, they'd be

00:41:08.640 cheering for him.

00:41:09.760 Instead, what are they

00:41:10.300 doing?

00:41:10.500 They're just holding up

00:41:11.100 their phone to capture

00:41:11.900 the moment.

00:41:13.360 But Trump had actual

00:41:14.940 humans in the room,

00:41:17.520 which, I mean, who knew

00:41:18.720 that simple move would

00:41:20.040 give him a considerable

00:41:21.160 advantage over DeSantis?

00:41:24.500 Yeah, I think, well, I

00:41:25.680 was there, you know,

00:41:27.120 front and center.

00:41:27.920 And I agree with you

00:41:29.080 that the telephone has

00:41:30.520 sort of hurt how we do

00:41:32.060 some of these things.

00:41:32.640 But everybody wants to

00:41:33.400 capture the moment and

00:41:34.300 post about it.

00:41:34.940 But that's another

00:41:35.520 conversation.

00:41:36.560 But the room was packed

00:41:37.640 and maybe Governor DeSantis

00:41:38.940 didn't think he could

00:41:39.960 pack a stadium like that.

00:41:41.920 I'm sure that the idea

00:41:43.420 crossed the campaign's

00:41:44.940 minds.

00:41:45.800 I know some of the people

00:41:46.620 over there, they're not

00:41:47.300 stupid. 0.90

00:41:48.320 Governor DeSantis

00:41:48.820 certainly isn't an idiot.

00:41:50.440 And so that was an

00:41:51.320 intentional decision to

00:41:52.640 set a separating space

00:41:54.640 in not just venue,

00:41:56.520 but style on how he's

00:41:57.820 going to run his

00:41:58.320 campaign, at least out

00:41:59.180 of the jump, out of the

00:42:00.300 gate.

00:42:00.640 And so I think it speaks

00:42:02.600 volumes to their

00:42:04.280 decision not to do it

00:42:05.500 in the stadium.

00:42:06.100 If Governor DeSantis is

00:42:07.040 as popular as everyone

00:42:08.700 is making him out to be

00:42:10.220 in some of the

00:42:11.060 mainstream media, then

00:42:12.080 he could go fill out

00:42:13.100 Allegiant Stadium here in

00:42:14.400 Las Vegas, in my hometown.

00:42:15.880 No problem.

00:42:16.520 But he chose not to do

00:42:17.320 that.

00:42:17.420 That is very interesting.

00:42:18.560 I'm trying to find the

00:42:19.220 tweet.

00:42:19.580 But there was somebody

00:42:20.200 who tweeted out something

00:42:21.180 right along these lines

00:42:22.940 talking about why

00:42:24.720 wasn't he in a stadium?

00:42:26.640 Why didn't he go in

00:42:28.320 Florida?

00:42:29.040 I can't find it, but in

00:42:30.040 any event, she was

00:42:31.620 saying, why, if you're

00:42:32.760 the governor of Florida

00:42:33.700 who is so popular in

00:42:34.860 Florida, and I think we

00:42:35.620 can agree he's very

00:42:36.460 popular in Florida, why

00:42:37.860 wouldn't you go into one

00:42:38.900 of the many football

00:42:39.620 stadiums that are in

00:42:40.800 Florida, fill it up with 0.68

00:42:42.020 your fans, and have the

00:42:43.920 cheering crowds?

00:42:45.520 Yes!

00:42:46.020 As opposed to, we're

00:42:47.560 melting down, we're

00:42:48.460 glitching.

00:42:48.980 Like, he couldn't have

00:42:50.160 foreseen the glitches

00:42:51.220 necessarily, though he

00:42:52.720 should have kicked those

00:42:53.320 tires before agreeing to

00:42:54.460 this, but he could have

00:42:56.480 foreseen the lack of

00:42:57.380 cheering crowds and the

00:42:59.080 unavailability of the

00:43:00.660 opportunity to show off his

00:43:01.880 beautiful family and create

00:43:03.920 this sort of loving Camelot

00:43:05.240 2.0 imagery.

00:43:07.060 All of that was not used.

00:43:10.260 Yeah, it sounds like you

00:43:11.600 need to be advising him on

00:43:12.740 how to do this better.

00:43:13.660 I mean, you're right.

00:43:14.700 They should listen to me.

00:43:15.640 The pageantry of it all was

00:43:18.740 missing, but you hit on some

00:43:20.420 critical points.

00:43:21.400 In Florida, from where

00:43:22.460 Governor DeSantis' hometown

00:43:23.520 is, in the Panhandle, you

00:43:25.040 know, you have Florida State

00:43:25.840 University.

00:43:26.500 That's a 70,000-person

00:43:27.700 stadium.

00:43:28.600 That's a no-brainer for the

00:43:30.040 governor of Florida to go

00:43:31.260 there, or go to Orlando, or

00:43:33.220 go to Miami.

00:43:33.920 They all have huge football

00:43:35.200 stadiums and arenas that they

00:43:37.300 could have done, but they

00:43:38.240 didn't do that.

00:43:39.160 You're right.

00:43:39.520 I think if he's styling a

00:43:40.740 campaign after talking about

00:43:43.060 being big on family and being

00:43:45.020 less on entertainment, he went

00:43:46.880 to the entertainment capital

00:43:48.020 of the world right now, which

00:43:49.400 is Twitter, because that's

00:43:51.020 where most people get their

00:43:52.080 news, their media, their

00:43:53.600 videos, their sports, and

00:43:54.900 everywhere else, but it's not

00:43:56.400 in person.

00:43:57.380 And I just think you see that

00:43:58.760 Donald Trump has made a

00:43:59.820 distinction from way back that

00:44:01.960 he's going to do this in

00:44:03.420 person, along with social

00:44:04.760 media, of course, but he's

00:44:05.960 out there on the streets of

00:44:06.920 East Palestine.

00:44:08.100 He's not just doing rallies.

00:44:09.320 He's doing town halls.

00:44:10.180 He went over on CNN and did

00:44:11.960 that town hall for the first

00:44:13.060 time in, I think, like six

00:44:14.520 years.

00:44:14.820 So it's a very different

00:44:16.240 approach.

00:44:17.000 I know Governor DeSantis just

00:44:18.040 started, but the start was not

00:44:20.540 the one he was looking for.

00:44:22.300 And he's got a lot of smart

00:44:23.460 people who should be asking

00:44:24.960 themselves, why do we get this

00:44:26.640 so wrong?

00:44:27.320 Right.

00:44:27.480 Why are the headlines so

00:44:28.400 uniformly bad for us today when

00:44:29.820 it should just be Ron DeSantis

00:44:31.360 is in and then a discussion of

00:44:33.420 the policy differences or the

00:44:34.620 chances or what have you.

00:44:35.580 This is all about his

00:44:36.320 disastrous launch.

00:44:37.840 I'll say this.

00:44:38.660 Dana Lash, who I mentioned

00:44:40.120 before, she's a radio host.

00:44:41.040 She's going to have him on her

00:44:41.720 show today.

00:44:42.680 She wrote, tweeted out,

00:44:44.060 DeSantis broke the Internet.

00:44:45.280 I think it's cool that someone

00:44:46.320 tried something new and

00:44:47.400 circumvented legacy press.

00:44:49.440 It's the maiden voyage for this

00:44:51.180 for this many years.

00:44:54.100 And it won't be the last time for

00:44:55.460 a candidate conversation.

00:44:56.560 Not going to have a meltdown

00:44:57.620 over it.

00:44:58.120 I mean, what about that?

00:44:58.840 It's cool that someone tried

00:45:00.420 something new and circumvented

00:45:02.100 the legacy press.

00:45:03.220 Republicans hate the press.

00:45:04.460 So does she have a point?

00:45:07.140 In part, yeah, if that was their

00:45:08.260 intention to get around the

00:45:09.580 legacy press.

00:45:10.260 But here's the reality of it.

00:45:12.140 All of the press covered it

00:45:13.460 anyway.

00:45:14.580 And if he had done it in a

00:45:15.720 stadium or arena, even more

00:45:17.280 of the press would have been

00:45:18.180 there in person to give it

00:45:19.820 even more coverage.

00:45:20.940 I mean, I'm not the political

00:45:22.020 genius.

00:45:22.740 I'm not the campaign guy.

00:45:24.020 I'm the, you know, national

00:45:24.760 security defense, intel

00:45:25.760 advisor, you know, and law

00:45:27.840 enforcement stuff.

00:45:28.700 And even I can see the glaring

00:45:30.880 failures of that.

00:45:31.620 If she's writing that, I think

00:45:32.780 she's just fishing and trying to

00:45:34.420 throw him a lifeline to say,

00:45:36.180 OK, thanks for trying something

00:45:37.340 new.

00:45:38.140 Nobody patted Donald Trump on the

00:45:39.400 back every time he tried

00:45:40.320 something new.

00:45:40.780 And he basically tries something

00:45:41.720 new every other week.

00:45:42.940 It's if it's new, it's got to

00:45:44.500 succeed.

00:45:45.120 And I think that's the message

00:45:46.280 that Donald Trump's going to put

00:45:47.320 for it.

00:45:47.860 No problem trying something new,

00:45:49.560 but you can't crash and fail,

00:45:51.360 especially on your one yard line

00:45:52.940 when you just got the football.

00:45:54.740 And that's what you saw.

00:45:55.420 Ben Chiguro tweeted out tonight was a

00:45:57.420 perfect encapsulation of the campaign.

00:45:59.380 If you're obsessed with the optics

00:46:00.440 of the Twitter space glitch, then

00:46:02.300 you're probably not going to vote

00:46:03.760 DeSantis.

00:46:04.480 If you're interested in political

00:46:05.700 substance, DeSantis is likely your

00:46:08.260 candidate.

00:46:09.680 That does not describe me because I

00:46:13.080 could vote for DeSantis.

00:46:14.420 I could vote for Trump.

00:46:15.660 I could, you know, I but I can also

00:46:17.880 see these were absolutely terrible

00:46:19.740 glitches that really undermined the

00:46:21.980 man's message in a way that really

00:46:24.680 does lead you to question, is he as

00:46:27.520 on top of everything as he wants us

00:46:29.160 to believe?

00:46:29.840 And are they doing this to cover up a

00:46:31.700 weakness of his when it comes to

00:46:33.160 connecting with people that we're

00:46:34.920 already wondering whether he has?

00:46:38.040 What do you make of that?

00:46:39.060 Because, you know, you Trump doesn't

00:46:40.620 really have the support of the sort of

00:46:41.920 Daily Wire guys or, you know, a lot

00:46:44.000 of people within the Republican Party

00:46:45.220 who think it's time for a change.

00:46:47.460 Yeah, look, it speaks to whether or not

00:46:49.700 Governor DeSantis has a social

00:46:50.900 stamina to go out there and do that in

00:46:52.420 the public forum and take the heat and

00:46:53.980 the questions.

00:46:54.940 It also asks the question, this is the

00:46:57.020 most important one to me, is this the

00:46:58.860 guy that can handle protecting our

00:47:01.060 border, safeguarding us from the CCP and

00:47:03.120 Chinese fentanyl, taking on Russia and 0.64

00:47:05.160 China, getting us out of World War 1.00

00:47:06.760 Three or that we're on the verge thereof

00:47:08.700 and taking on the swamp?

00:47:09.960 These are the questions that are now up

00:47:11.780 there.

00:47:12.400 If all of his advisors should have warned

00:47:14.020 him about a performance that a new game,

00:47:16.080 he failed to do so.

00:47:18.220 Well, as we said in the last segment,

00:47:19.900 onward for Team DeSantis and Team Trump

00:47:22.400 probably can't wait.

00:47:24.200 Kash Patel, thanks for coming on and

00:47:25.640 weighing in on it.

00:47:26.360 We appreciate it.

00:47:27.660 Thanks so much, Megan.

00:47:28.940 Coming up, Jillian Michaels is here.

00:47:31.760 We're looking forward to meeting her.

00:47:33.140 I have so many questions.

00:47:34.500 I recently resumed working out and

00:47:37.800 then I was preparing for this interview

00:47:39.100 and it turns out I think I'm doing it

00:47:40.360 all wrong.

00:47:41.020 Are you looking to get in shape for the

00:47:42.440 summer?

00:47:42.820 Well, Jillian's got thoughts on that

00:47:44.280 and the latest craze about pushing

00:47:45.680 obesity as gorgeous.

00:47:47.300 Does she think so?

00:47:48.900 We'll see.

00:47:50.000 We'll talk about it all as well as

00:47:51.740 Ozempic and whether you should be

00:47:53.740 taking it.

00:47:54.820 Remember, you can find the Megan Kelly

00:47:56.480 show live on Sirius XM Triumph Channel

00:47:58.880 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:48:01.080 And you can find us on YouTube dot com

00:48:03.080 slash Megan Kelly as well.

00:48:04.860 Joining me now in person here at the

00:48:11.060 Sirius XM studios in Manhattan is

00:48:13.400 health and wellness expert Jillian

00:48:15.840 Michaels.

00:48:16.720 Yay.

00:48:17.220 She has inspired millions to make

00:48:18.980 health a priority since gracing our

00:48:21.180 television screens starring in 2004,

00:48:23.900 starting in 2004 with the NBC series

00:48:25.900 The Biggest Loser and has always spoken

00:48:28.260 her mind even in the face of criticism

00:48:30.160 and backlash.

00:48:31.320 I love that about her.

00:48:32.680 She's here today to share her own

00:48:34.560 fitness journey and tell us how we can

00:48:36.560 increase ours and improve ours.

00:48:38.800 Her app is the fitness app.

00:48:41.260 It's like the number one fitness app

00:48:43.200 that's available.

00:48:44.260 So go ahead and download it.

00:48:45.440 And her podcast is keeping it real.

00:48:48.160 Welcome to the show.

00:48:49.080 Great to have you.

00:48:49.860 Thank you so much for having me.

00:48:51.100 Yeah.

00:48:51.380 Thanks for coming on.

00:48:52.860 So I was just asking during the break,

00:48:54.580 did you go on the Twitter spaces last

00:48:56.580 night?

00:48:57.000 Did you?

00:48:57.360 I'm so embarrassed to say I have no

00:48:59.480 idea what you're talking about.

00:49:00.420 Have you ever heard of Twitter spaces?

00:49:03.640 I have not.

00:49:05.180 Am I dating myself?

00:49:06.980 Is this a new thing?

00:49:08.200 No.

00:49:08.560 Literally nobody was on that call other

00:49:10.080 than journalists.

00:49:10.900 I'm convinced of it.

00:49:12.240 I mean, I like the idea of Twitter just in

00:49:13.940 general.

00:49:14.300 A lot of us are on Twitter.

00:49:15.360 Right.

00:49:15.740 But Twitter spaces, normally I get some

00:49:17.500 notification at the top of my phone like

00:49:18.720 so-and-so is speaking.

00:49:19.860 I'm like, where?

00:49:21.300 How?

00:49:21.880 I don't get it.

00:49:22.780 I don't.

00:49:23.040 Oh, I get it.

00:49:23.880 But it's kind of like that app that came

00:49:26.680 out, Club Something.

00:49:27.760 Yes.

00:49:28.000 You can just pop into somebody's convo.

00:49:29.380 And listen to somebody intelligent speak

00:49:32.920 on something interesting.

00:49:33.940 Maybe.

00:49:34.940 Or you can just get screamed at.

00:49:36.220 So if I want that, I'll just take a walk

00:49:38.000 on the Upper West Side.

00:49:38.720 I don't need to log on to any spaces for

00:49:40.900 that.

00:49:41.160 All right.

00:49:41.720 So in reading up on you before this

00:49:43.520 interview, we have a lot in common,

00:49:45.020 including something I don't talk about

00:49:47.880 just because it hasn't come up.

00:49:49.640 But I, like you, was a little hefty gal

00:49:53.520 when I was 13.

00:49:54.880 Were you really?

00:49:55.720 Yes.

00:49:56.200 And I know you've written about that.

00:49:57.340 Like we were both heavy girls.

00:49:59.960 And I remember being specifically called

00:50:01.720 out on how chunky I was.

00:50:02.840 And it was news to me.

00:50:04.420 I remember being like, oh, I am?

00:50:06.040 Because my family hadn't really told me

00:50:08.460 that or prioritized fitness in any way,

00:50:11.120 which was lovely.

00:50:12.320 But I found out the hard way from the

00:50:13.840 fellow kids at school.

00:50:15.140 Kids will always make you wear.

00:50:17.520 And you had the same.

00:50:18.620 Like you were bullied and it got pretty

00:50:20.580 bad.

00:50:21.080 I was bullied.

00:50:21.720 I was bullied, I think, for a host of

00:50:24.660 reasons.

00:50:26.160 I was gay and didn't know I was gay.

00:50:28.740 That's got to be a tough period.

00:50:30.080 It was it was not like, oh, it was not

00:50:33.540 the time where queer was cool.

00:50:35.280 No.

00:50:35.700 Not at all.

00:50:38.260 And I think other kids picked it up and

00:50:40.840 they're like, that kid, she's off.

00:50:44.280 It was the 80s, 90s.

00:50:46.260 Well, boys don't tend to respond well to

00:50:48.320 repeated rejection.

00:50:50.020 I don't even know that I was getting

00:50:51.500 hit on by boys, though, because I was

00:50:53.360 heavier and I had a huge nose and

00:50:55.920 terrible skin and braces.

00:50:57.700 And it was without a question, not a

00:51:01.560 glamorous period in my life.

00:51:03.220 And so kids, you know, they pick up on

00:51:04.560 that and they pick you apart.

00:51:05.580 Kids are mean.

00:51:06.260 And contrary to popular belief, they're

00:51:08.700 still mean.

00:51:09.940 And I hear about it every day from my

00:51:11.500 13 year old, my 11 year old.

00:51:13.160 Oh, mom, they did this to this kid.

00:51:14.540 And I'm like, can you dare do that to

00:51:15.940 that kid?

00:51:16.700 Yeah.

00:51:17.160 Stay in that conversation.

00:51:18.640 They are.

00:51:19.000 They're nasty.

00:51:19.500 They can be.

00:51:20.200 Yeah.

00:51:20.320 Kids can be mean.

00:51:21.500 To me, I think it's interesting that

00:51:22.940 your root out of that was eventually

00:51:24.880 fitness.

00:51:25.340 Like you found fitness as a way of

00:51:27.680 slimming down and empowering

00:51:29.600 yourself.

00:51:30.720 This, too, I could relate to to some

00:51:32.460 extent, because while I was kind of

00:51:34.640 chubby when I was 12, 13, by the time

00:51:37.860 I was 15, I had become an aerobics

00:51:39.500 instructor.

00:51:40.100 Oh, my gosh.

00:51:40.540 Which I did religiously.

00:51:42.080 And I did that all the way through law

00:51:43.500 school and into the early practice of

00:51:44.900 law.

00:51:45.600 Their fitness can be used as a tool to

00:51:47.940 improve your life in many ways.

00:51:49.880 Oh, absolutely.

00:51:50.800 It's transcendent because when somebody

00:51:53.320 feels stronger physically, they feel

00:51:55.920 stronger in every facet of their lives.

00:51:58.280 But most importantly, and this is how I

00:52:00.940 would always use it in extreme

00:52:02.860 situations.

00:52:03.800 If a person is struggling with food as

00:52:07.620 an addiction, a coping mechanism, a

00:52:09.120 defense structure, they have a host of

00:52:11.200 other beliefs about themselves and

00:52:12.980 their capabilities that are untrue.

00:52:15.480 Oh, I'm the funny fat guy.

00:52:16.960 Oh, I was picked last in PE.

00:52:19.200 Oh, you know, what they believe their

00:52:20.960 limitations to be.

00:52:22.620 And if you bring somebody into the gym,

00:52:24.580 right, that was never fit and never

00:52:26.260 thought of themselves as being

00:52:27.280 athletic, and they run that first mile

00:52:29.740 or they do that first push up on their

00:52:31.480 hands and feet or they do the first

00:52:33.260 pull up they never thought they could do.

00:52:35.540 Essentially, you're opening up an

00:52:37.420 infinity of other possibilities because

00:52:40.220 you're shattering this notion of this

00:52:43.060 is my story and these are my

00:52:44.200 limitations.

00:52:45.460 So it can be used in many ways, as you

00:52:48.360 said, but empowerment is top of the 0.89

00:52:50.040 list.

00:52:50.560 Why do so many people have such food

00:52:53.160 issues?

00:52:53.900 I was I was talking to my team about

00:52:55.140 this recently because if you read the

00:52:57.160 Daily Mail, which I love every other

00:52:59.220 day, they will have somebody who used to

00:53:01.240 be a bikini model whose name we know

00:53:04.180 from the 80s or 90s or what have you

00:53:06.400 who is now morbidly obese.

00:53:08.600 And of course, they get this poor soul

00:53:10.080 walking down the street just trying to

00:53:11.260 get their groceries at age 70.

00:53:13.140 But there is there's always a huge

00:53:15.220 juxtaposition between like this bone

00:53:17.920 thin, like too thin, to be honest,

00:53:20.100 bikini model and then this morbidly

00:53:22.440 obese older version of them.

00:53:23.960 And I always believe, Jillian, those two

00:53:26.880 people are struggling with the same

00:53:29.220 issue.

00:53:29.740 Flip sides of the same coin.

00:53:30.820 You're absolutely right, actually.

00:53:32.320 Look, you have the person that has the

00:53:35.920 dad bod, right?

00:53:36.920 The guy that had two kids and then the

00:53:38.300 desk job.

00:53:38.940 And all of a sudden you can't drink

00:53:41.200 beers with your buddies on Saturday

00:53:42.540 without it packing on slowly over the

00:53:44.200 years.

00:53:44.480 You have a midlife crisis.

00:53:45.440 You take off 25 pounds.

00:53:47.060 It's a great thing.

00:53:48.740 Then you have the individual or, you

00:53:50.800 know, the mom that had two kids and has 0.94

00:53:52.480 a job and she's like, oh, you know 0.96

00:53:54.140 what?

00:53:54.320 I somehow have managed to put on 15

00:53:55.980 pounds over the past decade.

00:53:58.080 Let me take that off.

00:53:59.600 Fine.

00:53:59.960 With that said, you now have the

00:54:03.360 individual that is, let's say, 50

00:54:06.040 pounds overweight, 75, 100 plus.

00:54:09.400 This is a very different beast.

00:54:10.700 This is not a person that likes pizza.

00:54:12.600 This is not a person that's lazy.

00:54:14.160 This is not a person that's lifestyle

00:54:16.080 has caught up to them.

00:54:17.740 This is an individual that is using

00:54:19.840 food because it is providing them with

00:54:24.380 something so significant that at one

00:54:26.660 time in their lives or another, I'm

00:54:28.240 willing to bet you it meant their

00:54:30.000 psychological survival.

00:54:31.980 We use it in so many ways, whether

00:54:34.420 it's control, like you don't control

00:54:36.060 me.

00:54:36.560 I control my body or a defense

00:54:39.560 structure of an individual who may

00:54:41.400 have been incested or molested.

00:54:42.720 And it's like if I desexualize myself,

00:54:44.700 am I protecting myself?

00:54:46.060 I'm just giving you a handful of

00:54:48.140 reasons.

00:54:48.660 A lot of people who wind up with

00:54:49.920 eating disorders say that they were

00:54:51.060 molested or sexually.

00:54:52.060 I deal with it all the time.

00:54:52.660 Or, you know, there was a young boy

00:54:54.420 I worked with whose mother was also

00:54:56.940 morbidly obese, young, 18, young.

00:54:59.520 And we took 100 pounds off of him.

00:55:02.160 He goes back home to his environment.

00:55:04.240 And within the first week, put seven

00:55:05.680 pounds on because his mom sees him and

00:55:09.280 immediately feels like he's going to

00:55:10.600 outgrow her, emotionally withdraws from

00:55:13.000 him.

00:55:13.260 So what does the weight provide?

00:55:14.780 An emotional connection with his

00:55:16.080 mother.

00:55:16.340 And I could go on and on and on.

00:55:18.080 But the the reality is that this is a

00:55:20.140 very complex issue.

00:55:22.180 It's not black and white.

00:55:23.900 It's not healthy at any size.

00:55:25.980 It's not about fat shaming.

00:55:28.180 It's none of the above.

00:55:29.040 But it is rooted firmly in mental

00:55:31.900 health that plays out in your physical

00:55:34.360 health.

00:55:35.260 You mentioned control.

00:55:36.520 So I have a couple of friends, two of

00:55:39.040 my dear, dear friends had I mean,

00:55:41.980 their daughters are still around, but

00:55:43.320 they've aged up now, but had daughters

00:55:45.520 at the age of like 14, 15.

00:55:48.600 Develop an eating disorder.

00:55:49.980 And in both cases, it started with

00:55:51.820 extreme veganism.

00:55:53.920 And that so I think there are signs on

00:55:56.220 these things, right?

00:55:56.780 When it comes to control, it's like

00:55:58.720 it's not about being a vegan.

00:56:00.420 It's not about saving animals.

00:56:01.760 It's about that extreme control, which

00:56:04.280 is like red flag all over it.

00:56:07.680 It's a very difficult position to be in

00:56:10.220 as a parent.

00:56:11.380 And the tremendous irony of this is

00:56:13.880 that my daughter struggles with food

00:56:17.400 addiction, meaning not bulimia, not

00:56:20.660 anorexia, but food obsessed, could eat 0.83

00:56:23.100 and eat and eat to the point that, you

00:56:26.160 know, as her mother, I think to myself,

00:56:29.120 OK, she she is adopted.

00:56:30.700 So there's that component of feeding this

00:56:32.620 pit inside from the first two years of

00:56:35.660 her life, which she can share when she's

00:56:37.280 older, but we're without question,

00:56:39.420 extraordinarily traumatic.

00:56:41.200 And then you've got me as her mom.

00:56:42.700 So you have to wonder if there's an element

00:56:44.420 of rebellion in the teenage years.

00:56:46.500 What I would tell any friend going through

00:56:48.740 this, right, I'd be like, listen, role

00:56:51.460 model wellness, you know, be supportive in

00:56:54.720 every way you can.

00:56:56.340 Don't make an issue of their weight or their

00:56:57.960 health ever at all.

00:56:59.380 Or they will interpret it as you don't love

00:57:01.240 them.

00:57:01.620 And you keep the child active and be active

00:57:04.380 with them.

00:57:04.840 I did all of that with my daughter and none

00:57:07.600 of it worked.

00:57:08.380 And we finally got to the point where I was

00:57:10.220 like, baby, you know, she would go into

00:57:12.960 town, get bags of candy.

00:57:14.340 She's fit.

00:57:15.240 She pulls it off.

00:57:16.420 That's not what I'm worried about.

00:57:17.540 I'm worried about the fact that this is so,

00:57:19.860 so bad for her developing body. 1.00

00:57:21.420 I get bags of Halloween candy.

00:57:23.080 And I was like, honey, listen to me as your

00:57:25.200 mother.

00:57:25.540 I'm dying inside and I feel like I'm failing

00:57:27.160 you and I need to do something.

00:57:28.460 But on the same hand, I don't want you to

00:57:30.160 think like you don't love me.

00:57:31.620 You're trying to control me.

00:57:32.700 You want to change me.

00:57:34.080 And I finally was like, what do you need

00:57:35.280 from me?

00:57:35.580 You're just going to have to tell me what you

00:57:36.880 need me to do right now.

00:57:37.840 Do you need me to leave you alone?

00:57:39.220 Like, would you need me to help?

00:57:40.660 And she actually finally was like, I want

00:57:43.020 you to help me.

00:57:44.320 And I was like, OK, but if I do, I swear

00:57:46.720 to God, don't come back and tell me I love

00:57:48.600 you the way you were.

00:57:49.340 Don't tell your therapist.

00:57:50.700 She started laughing. 0.97

00:57:52.140 So we've been going to the gym together.

00:57:53.940 We're running sprints together.

00:57:55.180 But as a parent, it's very muddy.

00:57:58.200 From the outside, you know, looking in, you

00:57:59.980 can give tremendous advice.

00:58:01.160 But from the inside, you can't see the

00:58:03.620 forest through the trees and you're not

00:58:05.420 quite sure where to intervene or how to

00:58:07.120 intervene or if you're going to mess them

00:58:08.320 up by intervening.

00:58:09.980 We've been just honest with our kids.

00:58:11.940 I mean, I'm slim.

00:58:13.180 My husband's thin.

00:58:14.580 I mean, he's muscular, but he's a trim

00:58:16.320 guy.

00:58:17.140 And our approach has just been to be

00:58:19.060 honest.

00:58:19.580 You know, you don't you don't want to be

00:58:20.860 too heavy.

00:58:21.400 That's not healthy.

00:58:22.040 And you don't want to be too thin.

00:58:23.100 That's not healthy.

00:58:23.740 Right.

00:58:24.020 And we'll tell you if you're getting one way

00:58:26.280 or the other.

00:58:26.880 Yeah.

00:58:27.460 And sometimes they'll ask and be like,

00:58:28.660 absolutely not.

00:58:29.120 You're good.

00:58:29.400 Our kids are thin.

00:58:30.540 You know, they they they eat like we eat.

00:58:32.480 So they're not really going to have a fast

00:58:34.780 metabolism.

00:58:35.480 So they don't have to worry about their

00:58:36.780 snacks yet.

00:58:37.980 Lucky.

00:58:38.480 But my son's been OK.

00:58:39.660 You know, like they it's the daughters that 1.00

00:58:41.600 you really have to worry about it in there.

00:58:43.160 And men do get eating disorders, but usually

00:58:45.300 it's the daughters. 1.00

00:58:46.820 And I do already see she's only 12.

00:58:48.880 And I do already see this athletic, beautiful

00:58:50.720 girl being like, where are my legs fat? 1.00

00:58:52.500 I'm like, that's where we carry our fat, honey.

00:58:54.160 Like, that's where we like, look, mom's got

00:58:55.740 it, too.

00:58:56.020 Like, it's just society starts planting this

00:58:58.940 stuff.

00:58:59.840 Wow.

00:59:00.500 That she's interpreting her legs as being fat.

00:59:03.200 That's where we are.

00:59:04.020 She's, of course, a thin girl.

00:59:05.060 But like, that's America.

00:59:06.600 Like fat on one's body is like assessed as

00:59:10.240 is that a negative?

00:59:11.260 Are we can we have fat on our bodies? 0.85

00:59:12.940 This is why we shouldn't be looking at it

00:59:16.180 from a literal perspective of, OK, you

00:59:19.700 appear this way.

00:59:21.620 This is something that belongs literally in

00:59:24.140 a doctor's office.

00:59:24.960 They will tell you, hey, your cholesterol is

00:59:28.120 high, your blood pressure is high, your

00:59:30.440 X, Y, Z, P, D, Q, the biomarkers are off.

00:59:33.900 There's cause for concern.

00:59:36.320 And this is when you have concern.

00:59:37.660 And a pediatrician will tell you.

00:59:39.020 They said to me, they're like, her blood

00:59:40.300 pressure is high.

00:59:40.800 She's 12.

00:59:41.660 I was like, OK, OK, this is, you know,

00:59:45.480 time to intervene.

00:59:46.900 And that's when I was like, honey, because

00:59:48.460 it has nothing to do with the way she looks.

00:59:50.320 You'd see her and be like, wow.

00:59:51.680 And I'd be like, I know she gets away with

00:59:52.800 murder.

00:59:53.120 You have no idea.

00:59:54.500 And you're setting them up like that's the

00:59:56.100 real concern is like, of course, they're not

00:59:57.500 like you're setting them up for a lifetime.

01:00:00.380 Once they're no idea.

01:00:01.920 Right.

01:00:02.140 Like I cannot even tell you.

01:00:04.620 I all I do all day long is talk to some

01:00:07.220 of the world's best doctors and they will

01:00:09.600 tell you if a child is not consuming

01:00:11.980 vegetables between the ages of 13

01:00:14.180 and 17, their chances

01:00:15.980 of breast cancer.

01:00:17.760 A girl, obviously, child in this case

01:00:19.860 is 50 percent higher

01:00:22.420 in their 50s.

01:00:23.560 It has to do with microbiome

01:00:25.860 and the role it plays with immunity.

01:00:27.500 But I'm like, oh, my God,

01:00:30.020 honey, please.

01:00:31.240 Right.

01:00:31.740 One.

01:00:32.940 You're going to blink your eyes.

01:00:34.100 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:00:36.420 When you know too much, it starts to get

01:00:38.600 even scarier.

01:00:39.700 Well, that's the same in my business,

01:00:41.040 but it's like sharks and lightning strikes

01:00:44.240 and all sorts of stuff.

01:00:45.460 And my kids are like, what?

01:00:46.420 I mean, my kid, my 13 year old went

01:00:48.480 on a school camping trip recently.

01:00:50.980 It was like his entire grade.

01:00:52.560 And they went to this lovely sort of

01:00:54.420 camp in the woods where they had cabins

01:00:56.060 and all that.

01:00:56.680 And all the other mothers are like, have a 1.00

01:00:58.240 great time, sweetheart.

01:00:59.220 Love you.

01:00:59.500 And I was like, watch out for the

01:01:00.700 molesters.

01:01:05.140 For Yeats was like, wow, mom.

01:01:10.840 The world is full of sickos.

01:01:12.380 You have no idea.

01:01:13.520 You are not safe.

01:01:14.700 Bye bye.

01:01:15.200 I love you.

01:01:18.380 Oh, my God.

01:01:20.260 OK.

01:01:21.060 We all have it.

01:01:21.800 It depends on our industry.

01:01:22.960 That makes perfect sense.

01:01:23.960 I feel a little better now.

01:01:25.260 That makes me feel a little better.

01:01:27.000 All right.

01:01:27.240 So let's go to the opposite end of that.

01:01:28.920 There's the children on the one hand

01:01:30.440 and then there is the absolute

01:01:32.040 celebration of obesity amongst adults

01:01:34.500 that our society is going through.

01:01:37.180 I've heard you speak out about it

01:01:38.660 and you got backlash.

01:01:39.800 I mean, you would get even more backlash

01:01:40.980 just because of your position in the

01:01:42.500 fitness and wellness world.

01:01:43.820 Which is absurd because this is what I do.

01:01:45.880 It's my job to talk about it.

01:01:48.100 People like me can say it without much

01:01:49.420 blowback, but I agree with everything

01:01:50.940 you say.

01:01:52.420 Obesity should not be glorified.

01:01:54.120 Being body positive should not include

01:01:57.340 celebration of obesity.

01:02:00.540 Here's what's happening culturally

01:02:03.020 is that for years

01:02:05.760 we have marginalized

01:02:07.020 individuals who were

01:02:09.860 quote obese, overweight.

01:02:12.160 Now what happens is

01:02:13.880 society is like,

01:02:15.060 this is wrong.

01:02:15.560 We have to stop doing this.

01:02:17.180 Excellent.

01:02:17.760 So step out of the equation

01:02:19.260 if you're not an expert.

01:02:20.500 Don't shame somebody.

01:02:21.720 That makes you an asshole.

01:02:23.040 Don't do that.

01:02:24.040 Just step out.

01:02:25.820 You're not an expert.

01:02:26.820 Be a good guy.

01:02:27.480 I see this person as a person

01:02:30.000 and that's all you need to do.

01:02:32.060 But then there's the overcompensation

01:02:34.260 and arguably we shift into the virtue signaling

01:02:38.080 of like, no, no, girl, you're good

01:02:41.340 says the person who's doing Ozembek

01:02:43.080 you know, on the side.

01:02:44.380 And the reality is that the individual

01:02:47.940 who is obese or overweight

01:02:49.480 has felt so hurt and so wounded

01:02:51.240 that it then becomes

01:02:53.160 about rejecting that entire concept of

01:02:56.420 you can't hurt me with this.

01:02:58.420 I love this.

01:03:00.180 This is great.

01:03:01.100 And I liken it to

01:03:02.520 you know, in the gay community

01:03:04.300 we throw around

01:03:06.360 gay slurs all the time.

01:03:09.120 All my gay guy friends say fag.

01:03:10.880 You know, I've been guilty of saying dyke 1.00

01:03:13.760 and I'm like, I carry a card

01:03:15.700 like I'm allowed.

01:03:17.120 But my daughter the other day was like

01:03:18.480 mom, I hate when you do that. 1.00

01:03:20.340 And I was like, why?

01:03:21.340 I'm allowed.

01:03:21.800 And she goes, but it's just gross. 0.99

01:03:24.300 And I was like, but it's

01:03:25.500 she's like, it's

01:03:27.260 and I was like, why am I doing this?

01:03:29.440 And you do do it

01:03:30.860 because you're like, I own this word

01:03:32.080 and it doesn't bother me

01:03:33.440 and you can't hurt me with it

01:03:34.800 because it was hurtful growing up.

01:03:37.060 And I believe it's the same thing

01:03:39.540 where it's like, I own this

01:03:40.380 and I love this

01:03:40.900 and you can't hurt me with this.

01:03:42.280 But you can't die

01:03:43.140 from calling yourself a dyke. 0.94

01:03:45.760 Maybe not.

01:03:46.760 I hope not.

01:03:47.560 Because God knows

01:03:48.200 it's happened a few times.

01:03:50.780 But no, you can't.

01:03:52.300 Leaning into obesity.

01:03:53.540 Well, leaning into obesity is deadly.

01:03:55.560 Obviously.

01:03:56.280 The point is why

01:03:57.160 I'm trying to explain

01:03:57.900 why they're doing it

01:03:59.040 because it's been so hurtful.

01:04:00.700 The reality, though,

01:04:02.480 is we're likely going to die

01:04:04.580 of three things.

01:04:05.360 We can stretch it to four.

01:04:07.860 But it would be

01:04:09.220 heart disease, cancer

01:04:10.840 and cognitive decline.

01:04:13.080 Metabolic disease

01:04:14.080 contributes to all three

01:04:15.720 of those things.

01:04:16.420 So to call it four is strange

01:04:18.360 because it contributes to all three,

01:04:19.540 but sure, why not?

01:04:21.180 So what is going to be

01:04:23.300 the top contributing factor

01:04:25.380 to those three things

01:04:26.680 is obesity.

01:04:28.400 And what people don't understand

01:04:30.240 is that, yes,

01:04:31.580 you can be unhealthy

01:04:32.800 at any size without question.

01:04:34.140 Heart disease, cancer,

01:04:34.940 all the things.

01:04:35.500 You can be skinny fat, for sure.

01:04:36.520 100% and eat garbage

01:04:38.120 and get sick from it. 0.76

01:04:39.560 However, when a person

01:04:41.160 is carrying excess body fat,

01:04:43.500 it is an indicator

01:04:44.720 of specific habits

01:04:46.460 that we know are unhealthy.

01:04:48.180 And then we get into

01:04:48.880 the biochemistry of it.

01:04:50.100 And it's everything from

01:04:51.080 vitamin D gets

01:04:52.480 is in your fat stores

01:04:53.640 and you don't have enough

01:04:54.260 circulating vitamin D

01:04:55.180 and it impacts your immunity.

01:04:56.180 It disrupts your microbiome

01:04:57.320 and makes you less resilient

01:04:58.620 to disease.

01:04:59.720 It we see people

01:05:01.000 that have more methylated DNA

01:05:02.740 that are obese.

01:05:03.960 I could go on and on

01:05:05.400 and on and on.

01:05:06.300 The bottom line is

01:05:07.300 this is not a question.

01:05:08.800 The earth is not flat.

01:05:09.980 Obesity kills people.

01:05:11.120 Period.

01:05:11.440 I went for my annual physical.

01:05:15.260 My doctor is fattest.

01:05:17.400 He is hardcore anti-obesity.

01:05:20.100 I mean, you gain weight.

01:05:21.240 He's like, no.

01:05:22.820 Yeah, but I like it

01:05:24.020 because whenever I have

01:05:24.920 my annual physical,

01:05:25.640 I'm like, holy shit,

01:05:26.220 I got to lose some weight.

01:05:27.080 I'm going to go see him.

01:05:28.900 And he'll be like,

01:05:30.060 doc, I'm up two pounds

01:05:31.080 year over year.

01:05:31.660 He's like, you know what

01:05:32.400 two pounds is over 10 years?

01:05:33.580 It's 20 pounds.

01:05:34.220 You'll never get it off.

01:05:34.960 I'm like, okay, I'm on it.

01:05:36.380 Oh my gosh.

01:05:37.020 But it's helpful to me

01:05:38.860 so our styles align.

01:05:40.740 Of course.

01:05:41.100 But when you go into his office

01:05:42.640 and you sit there

01:05:43.440 and you're sitting

01:05:43.920 on the little table

01:05:44.560 and he's going to take your

01:05:45.460 heart rate and listen

01:05:46.860 to your heart and all that,

01:05:47.760 there's a chart right there

01:05:48.980 and it shows that

01:05:50.640 the hockey stick

01:05:51.920 of all the diseases

01:05:53.940 and what's making them

01:05:55.360 go like that

01:05:55.980 and it's obesity.

01:05:57.040 He's like, he doesn't

01:05:58.480 care how you look.

01:05:59.720 He cares that you're

01:06:01.160 going to take up

01:06:01.660 his entire practice

01:06:02.780 if you overeat

01:06:04.280 because obesity causes

01:06:05.620 all the things you just said.

01:06:07.020 It does.

01:06:08.860 Without question.

01:06:10.700 And we understand

01:06:11.660 all the mechanisms

01:06:12.900 of how it impacts

01:06:14.260 all of those different

01:06:15.860 obesity-related diseases,

01:06:17.760 170 comorbidities.

01:06:19.420 COVID alone

01:06:20.280 was a once-in-a-generation

01:06:23.000 opportunity

01:06:23.780 to really grab

01:06:25.260 this bull by the horns

01:06:26.380 and help people

01:06:27.920 get healthier

01:06:29.260 and inspire them

01:06:30.320 to find a reason.

01:06:32.280 And I kind of think

01:06:33.160 we blew it.

01:06:34.360 You know,

01:06:34.580 the CDC even came out

01:06:36.380 and I can't remember

01:06:37.360 the statistic

01:06:38.200 exactly

01:06:39.020 because this was,

01:06:40.340 oh my gosh,

01:06:41.260 came out,

01:06:41.560 I want to say,

01:06:41.960 two years ago,

01:06:42.700 but something like

01:06:43.760 80% of the individuals

01:06:45.780 that died from COVID

01:06:48.340 or had a very severe

01:06:49.780 case of COVID

01:06:50.540 or were hospitalized

01:06:51.420 with COVID

01:06:52.020 were overweight

01:06:53.400 or obese.

01:06:54.020 And they know why.

01:06:55.940 They understand

01:06:56.380 the mechanisms of that.

01:06:57.380 Speak to any endocrinologist

01:07:00.300 and they'll walk you through

01:07:01.380 why.

01:07:02.560 It's simple science.

01:07:04.440 It actually really is

01:07:05.900 simple science.

01:07:06.920 Okay, so now

01:07:07.400 all of this leads me

01:07:08.720 to why

01:07:09.740 don't you like

01:07:10.860 Ozempic? 0.79

01:07:11.680 Because

01:07:11.960 Oh my God.

01:07:14.140 Ozempic helps

01:07:15.040 with weight loss.

01:07:16.340 And then I just read

01:07:17.260 something in the paper

01:07:17.940 this week saying

01:07:18.820 they're finding

01:07:20.240 a new side effect

01:07:21.320 of it

01:07:21.640 is reducing

01:07:22.460 addictions.

01:07:23.720 Like

01:07:23.840 it's reducing

01:07:25.240 cravings for alcohol,

01:07:26.960 for drugs,

01:07:28.740 for, you know,

01:07:29.900 things that are bad for you.

01:07:31.000 Is that anecdotal?

01:07:32.020 There's no clinical trial.

01:07:33.400 Yeah, I think it's anecdotal.

01:07:34.460 Right.

01:07:35.400 So, you know,

01:07:36.620 so you can no longer

01:07:37.900 be obese

01:07:38.540 and you could curb

01:07:39.640 your cravings

01:07:40.760 and your, you know,

01:07:41.900 emotional food dependence

01:07:42.960 from childhood

01:07:43.540 is no longer

01:07:44.260 ruling your life

01:07:45.260 thanks to the miracle

01:07:46.760 of Ozempic

01:07:48.120 or Wegovy

01:07:49.280 or the other ones.

01:07:50.060 Wegovy, yeah. 1.00

01:07:51.320 Ribelsis,

01:07:52.340 yeah, all the things.

01:07:53.480 There's another one

01:07:53.960 that starts with an

01:07:54.500 Emma, I just can't,

01:07:55.440 I can't even remember

01:07:56.060 the name.

01:07:56.300 Monjaro.

01:07:57.040 Monjaro, that's right.

01:07:58.500 Yes, it's a bird

01:07:59.920 of the exact same feather.

01:08:02.280 Okay, so first

01:08:04.000 let's address the following.

01:08:06.040 People often think

01:08:07.320 that Ozempic 0.85

01:08:09.080 is being prescribed

01:08:10.160 off-label

01:08:10.980 for obesity.

01:08:12.600 Ozempic is semaglutide.

01:08:14.300 Wegovy is semaglutide.

01:08:16.140 Wegovy is, 0.76

01:08:18.280 oh my gosh,

01:08:19.560 forgive me.

01:08:19.940 The FDA has approved

01:08:21.480 Wegovy 0.99

01:08:22.160 as an anti-obesity drug.

01:08:24.620 It's not off-label.

01:08:25.520 It's simply a higher dose

01:08:26.720 of semaglutide.

01:08:28.300 Now, it's more,

01:08:29.540 it's a higher dose

01:08:30.140 than Ozempic.

01:08:31.160 Yep.

01:08:31.580 Okay.

01:08:32.320 Yeah.

01:08:33.120 So, with that said,

01:08:35.000 okay,

01:08:35.440 I don't actually like this

01:08:36.940 for people

01:08:37.280 with type 2 diabetes.

01:08:39.140 There are other options

01:08:40.760 that have less side effects

01:08:42.140 like Jardine,

01:08:42.920 Smetformin.

01:08:43.540 There must be

01:08:44.900 because these drugs

01:08:46.080 are new

01:08:46.520 and people have had diabetes

01:08:47.760 for many, many years.

01:08:48.820 So, there's got to be

01:08:49.400 some other diabetic drugs.

01:08:50.460 Let's go a step further,

01:08:51.640 though.

01:08:51.900 This isn't type 1 diabetes.

01:08:53.880 It's type 2 diabetes,

01:08:56.020 which means

01:08:56.800 we bring it on

01:08:58.500 by eating too much

01:09:00.960 garbage food

01:09:01.900 and we develop

01:09:03.580 a resistance to insulin.

01:09:05.100 You can resensitize

01:09:07.040 the body to insulin

01:09:07.980 because the most effective

01:09:09.340 drug for doing that

01:09:10.740 is exercise.

01:09:12.840 It's not obviously a drug.

01:09:14.640 Point being

01:09:15.000 that you can reverse

01:09:17.320 type 2 diabetes

01:09:18.340 with no side effects

01:09:20.780 that are negative,

01:09:21.800 only upside

01:09:22.840 by changing what you eat

01:09:24.660 and exercising.

01:09:25.960 And now,

01:09:26.840 let's say you turned around

01:09:28.080 and you were like,

01:09:28.620 but Jill,

01:09:29.980 the emotional side

01:09:31.440 is beating me down.

01:09:33.000 It's hard

01:09:33.540 and it's getting the best

01:09:34.560 of me every time

01:09:35.240 and I'd be the first

01:09:35.940 to say I've seen it,

01:09:36.860 I know it,

01:09:37.400 I understand it

01:09:38.260 and there's a reason

01:09:39.460 that 95% of the people

01:09:40.880 who lose weight

01:09:41.380 put it back on

01:09:42.080 and this is the reason

01:09:42.980 because whatever

01:09:44.820 the food is providing them,

01:09:46.800 they're unconsciously

01:09:47.940 not ready to let go of.

01:09:50.180 Okay.

01:09:51.000 So, we think

01:09:51.540 this is a workaround

01:09:52.580 but the reality

01:09:53.740 is that

01:09:54.600 you can only be on it

01:09:56.100 for, what was it,

01:09:56.980 60 weeks,

01:09:57.880 a year and a half,

01:09:58.640 roughly?

01:09:59.800 On one of these drugs?

01:10:00.800 Yep.

01:10:01.160 Okay.

01:10:01.640 And then

01:10:02.220 the clinical trials

01:10:03.700 have shown

01:10:04.180 that within the first year

01:10:05.320 people put two-thirds

01:10:06.360 of their weight

01:10:06.800 back on.

01:10:07.540 It's not a permanent fix.

01:10:08.760 Even while they're

01:10:09.460 still on it?

01:10:10.040 No, once they get off of it.

01:10:11.640 So, after a year and a half.

01:10:13.300 Why can they only stay on it

01:10:14.180 for the 60 weeks?

01:10:15.760 This is how long

01:10:16.620 they've studied it for.

01:10:17.600 That is the full duration

01:10:19.700 of the treatment

01:10:20.720 with that drug

01:10:21.380 and I would imagine

01:10:22.280 because of the extensive

01:10:24.500 side effects

01:10:25.100 and if you go

01:10:25.800 to the website,

01:10:26.800 you will see

01:10:27.280 everything from

01:10:28.080 kidney failure

01:10:29.160 to thyroid cancer

01:10:30.620 to nausea

01:10:31.800 and vomiting.

01:10:33.640 It's right there.

01:10:34.020 There was an article

01:10:34.480 this week about

01:10:35.160 crapping the bed.

01:10:36.420 Oh, lovely.

01:10:37.520 Yeah.

01:10:38.020 About how

01:10:38.500 it makes you constipated

01:10:40.620 and then these people

01:10:41.380 are taking, you know,

01:10:42.520 laxatives

01:10:43.140 and overcorrecting,

01:10:44.680 shall we say?

01:10:45.240 Yeah.

01:10:45.520 So, that could

01:10:46.760 impact your

01:10:47.800 sex life as well.

01:10:49.920 Tremendously.

01:10:50.580 Yes.

01:10:51.140 That's a very good one.

01:10:51.720 I haven't brought

01:10:52.280 that one up yet

01:10:52.860 but I'm going to use it

01:10:53.600 from now on.

01:10:54.080 I'm skinny.

01:10:54.560 I will credit you.

01:10:55.520 It's hot but I crapped

01:10:56.400 the bed.

01:10:57.080 Perfect.

01:10:59.000 Oh, my gosh.

01:10:59.980 Go away.

01:11:00.420 Yeah.

01:11:01.300 So, that's what,

01:11:02.280 it anecdotally also

01:11:04.120 causes facial aging,

01:11:06.940 ozempic phase,

01:11:08.220 sarcopenia.

01:11:08.880 You lose all this weight.

01:11:09.760 I don't buy that.

01:11:10.880 I'm not buying that one.

01:11:12.300 I've taken a lot of weight

01:11:13.480 off of a lot of people

01:11:14.340 that look better,

01:11:14.980 not worse.

01:11:16.500 I'm small.

01:11:17.400 You're small.

01:11:18.180 You look great.

01:11:18.780 I don't see any

01:11:21.040 facial aging.

01:11:21.220 But if I had 50 pounds,

01:11:23.020 you know,

01:11:23.720 two months ago

01:11:24.600 and then lost

01:11:25.980 to this weight,

01:11:26.740 I'd probably be saggy.

01:11:27.900 I'm going to say no.

01:11:28.740 No.

01:11:28.880 I've done it a million times

01:11:30.460 and they look fantastic.

01:11:32.360 So,

01:11:33.000 I think there's something

01:11:33.920 else going on

01:11:34.960 with how it's affecting

01:11:36.300 us on a cellular level

01:11:37.460 that's creating

01:11:38.420 this accelerated aging.

01:11:39.680 Personally,

01:11:40.300 this is,

01:11:40.840 I have no data

01:11:41.640 to back it up.

01:11:42.320 If I had to guess

01:11:43.040 at what's going on,

01:11:44.160 that would be my guess.

01:11:47.220 It's not a permanent fix.

01:11:49.060 The side effects

01:11:49.740 are extreme.

01:11:51.200 I would say

01:11:51.520 get a therapist.

01:11:52.640 Honestly,

01:11:53.120 get a therapist,

01:11:53.680 get into counseling

01:11:55.080 and pursue this

01:11:57.380 with safer drugs

01:11:58.940 if you need help

01:12:00.620 in that area

01:12:01.240 while you're in this

01:12:02.320 transition process

01:12:03.520 of dealing with

01:12:04.660 the emotional.

01:12:04.980 Are there safer drugs?

01:12:05.560 Metformin is safer.

01:12:06.580 There is no question.

01:12:07.420 What is that?

01:12:08.000 What's metformin?

01:12:09.140 Metformin is another

01:12:11.360 medication developed

01:12:12.560 for diabetes,

01:12:13.940 but you see

01:12:14.900 doctors who specialize

01:12:17.060 in longevity,

01:12:18.420 like Dr. David Sinclair,

01:12:20.120 he's a Harvard geneticist,

01:12:21.260 one of the most

01:12:22.900 impressive individuals

01:12:24.160 in the space

01:12:25.400 of longevity

01:12:26.060 globally,

01:12:27.840 and he takes metformin.

01:12:29.900 It has to do

01:12:30.680 with insulin resistance

01:12:33.120 and glucose

01:12:33.520 and all this,

01:12:34.400 long story short,

01:12:35.360 without,

01:12:36.020 I'll let you interview him

01:12:36.980 about that

01:12:37.360 because he can explain it

01:12:38.340 better than me,

01:12:39.340 but the side effects

01:12:41.440 are significantly less,

01:12:42.820 and in many cases,

01:12:44.200 a lot of people

01:12:45.080 who work in that field

01:12:47.080 are taking it

01:12:48.420 for longevity.

01:12:49.280 It's always thrown me

01:12:50.500 off a bit.

01:12:52.120 Does it have an

01:12:53.020 appetite suppressant

01:12:54.400 side effect?

01:12:55.240 It doesn't.

01:12:56.060 They're not obese.

01:12:58.460 It's utilized

01:12:59.580 to resensitize people.

01:13:01.780 Well, here's how,

01:13:02.520 first, hold on,

01:13:03.100 let me back up my apologies.

01:13:04.380 Let me explain

01:13:04.840 how Ozempic works

01:13:06.120 for weight loss.

01:13:07.500 The mechanism

01:13:08.220 of Ozempic

01:13:09.660 with regard to

01:13:10.700 why slash

01:13:11.700 how you lose weight,

01:13:13.320 two things.

01:13:13.900 Number one

01:13:14.320 is that it delays

01:13:15.920 gastric emptying,

01:13:16.860 so it makes you feel

01:13:17.540 fuller for longer,

01:13:18.580 so you

01:13:19.480 eat less.

01:13:21.700 It makes you

01:13:22.120 actually full.

01:13:23.540 It's keeping the food

01:13:24.620 in your stomach.

01:13:25.560 It impacts

01:13:28.560 your endocrine system

01:13:29.660 and the appetite

01:13:30.820 center in your brain

01:13:32.220 to help manage cravings

01:13:33.820 to make you

01:13:34.400 less hungry

01:13:35.240 and to literally

01:13:36.780 delay gastric emptying

01:13:38.000 and allow you

01:13:38.480 to feel fuller

01:13:39.400 for longer.

01:13:41.000 What does this do?

01:13:41.840 It makes you eat less.

01:13:43.440 So we're still back

01:13:44.200 to calories in,

01:13:45.000 calories out.

01:13:45.820 It just helps facilitate.

01:13:46.960 This is your big thing.

01:13:48.280 One must do

01:13:49.740 some calorie restriction

01:13:50.900 if one would...

01:13:52.040 Here's the bad news.

01:13:53.980 One must lower

01:13:55.460 one's calorie consumption

01:13:56.620 to lose weight.

01:13:58.020 That is it.

01:13:58.960 You know,

01:13:59.220 unfortunately,

01:14:00.140 we can talk about health.

01:14:01.460 Health is a different

01:14:03.200 animal in some cases.

01:14:04.580 There we go.

01:14:04.900 This is what Peter Atiyah

01:14:06.220 was saying, too.

01:14:07.040 That, like,

01:14:08.140 you know,

01:14:08.780 you can't be so focused

01:14:10.060 on getting thin

01:14:11.160 that you forget about

01:14:12.080 your health.

01:14:13.540 What is healthy?

01:14:14.800 Yeah.

01:14:15.280 Like, what are you eating

01:14:16.320 in a day?

01:14:16.960 How many grams of protein?

01:14:18.220 How, like,

01:14:18.980 do you want to get down

01:14:20.080 to where you're eating

01:14:20.620 absolutely nothing?

01:14:21.560 Right?

01:14:21.800 Like, that makes sense to me.

01:14:22.960 That's not safe.

01:14:24.280 That's not healthy.

01:14:24.920 No, not at all.

01:14:26.240 But there's a diet

01:14:28.840 called the Twinkie Diet.

01:14:29.900 And it was done,

01:14:31.940 I'd say,

01:14:32.260 a decade ago.

01:14:32.940 I was on that

01:14:33.700 when I was 13 and chunky.

01:14:34.800 Me too.

01:14:35.380 Yeah.

01:14:35.620 Courtesy of my nana.

01:14:37.960 She loved me.

01:14:40.760 This was restricted Twinkies.

01:14:43.800 And a professor of nutrition,

01:14:45.820 I believe his name is Mark Haub,

01:14:47.760 to illustrate the point

01:14:49.980 that it is calories in,

01:14:51.280 calories out

01:14:51.780 to facilitate weight loss,

01:14:54.440 ate garbage,

01:14:55.520 but less of it,

01:14:56.820 and lost 27 pounds.

01:14:58.540 I can't remember the time frame.

01:14:59.600 It was like two or three months.

01:15:01.340 And he did lower his triglycerides,

01:15:04.020 lower his LDL,

01:15:05.400 lower his blood pressure.

01:15:08.380 Obviously,

01:15:09.000 we would want those calories

01:15:10.180 to be great.

01:15:11.280 And now we're getting blueberries

01:15:12.300 and, you know,

01:15:13.520 wild-caught salmon.

01:15:15.180 But if people have a hard time

01:15:17.780 giving those things up,

01:15:18.980 I try to just,

01:15:19.740 I'm like, listen,

01:15:20.360 just let's start with

01:15:22.000 eating less of them.

01:15:23.240 Let's get you out walking.

01:15:25.480 It's just the basics.

01:15:27.100 I keep it as simple as possible

01:15:28.580 for people who struggle

01:15:30.040 where Ozempic becomes an option.

01:15:33.180 And I'm not expecting

01:15:34.140 that person to go to the gym

01:15:35.140 and do HIIT training

01:15:35.880 four to five times a week.

01:15:37.200 Oh, I know.

01:15:37.520 I'm glad you mentioned that.

01:15:38.420 Yeah.

01:15:38.800 Because I do believe,

01:15:40.620 talking to Peter,

01:15:41.360 Atiyah,

01:15:41.680 and others.

01:15:42.420 He's impressive.

01:15:43.320 Very impressive.

01:15:43.660 Yeah, got to exercise.

01:15:44.580 So he actually got me

01:15:45.400 off my couch.

01:15:46.320 I did it.

01:15:47.060 I did teach aerobics

01:15:48.740 for a long time

01:15:49.240 and I was into fitness

01:15:50.040 and I have had personal trainers

01:15:51.440 over the years.

01:15:52.200 But a couple years ago,

01:15:53.260 I've told the viewers about this,

01:15:54.440 I hurt my shoulder.

01:15:55.900 I had to have a surgery

01:15:56.880 and I just got me out of it.

01:15:59.340 It's a brutal recovery.

01:16:00.600 It was painful.

01:16:01.960 And I really couldn't,

01:16:02.680 like number one thing

01:16:03.360 you can't do is down dog.

01:16:04.760 And I'd been doing some yoga

01:16:06.780 and I'd been doing this thing

01:16:07.680 called The Class,

01:16:08.580 which I actually really like.

01:16:10.120 It's,

01:16:10.400 I do it now via video.

01:16:11.840 I have,

01:16:12.280 I'd like download the app

01:16:13.100 and you can mirror it

01:16:13.860 on your screen.

01:16:14.860 But it's hit training

01:16:15.900 and I just got back into it.

01:16:18.500 And I love it.

01:16:19.780 I have to tell you,

01:16:20.720 it's,

01:16:21.620 it is transforming my body.

01:16:23.720 Like your body kind of remembers.

01:16:25.680 It knows what to do.

01:16:26.760 You start off,

01:16:27.620 you're seeing yourself

01:16:28.160 in the full length mirror

01:16:28.860 and you're like,

01:16:29.360 oh my God,

01:16:29.820 it's depressing.

01:16:30.560 It's depressing.

01:16:31.340 And then just like a few weeks

01:16:32.640 into it,

01:16:32.900 you're like,

01:16:33.600 I'm starting to look good.

01:16:35.140 I'm starting to see

01:16:35.940 some muscle definition.

01:16:37.200 So I was starting

01:16:37.800 to feel good about it.

01:16:38.420 I'm like,

01:16:38.620 I could do this forever.

01:16:39.380 I could just keep doing this class.

01:16:40.780 I love it.

01:16:41.180 Then I get to the prep for Jillian

01:16:42.620 and I read,

01:16:43.860 you have to switch it up.

01:16:45.440 Otherwise it's going to stop working.

01:16:47.240 I'm like,

01:16:47.500 oh shit,

01:16:48.340 you do.

01:16:49.040 You do have to switch it up,

01:16:50.560 but you don't necessarily,

01:16:52.640 you don't give up hit training.

01:16:53.980 You incorporate

01:16:54.600 other modalities of fitness.

01:16:57.080 So I would have you doing

01:16:58.380 endurance training

01:16:59.260 and strength training

01:17:01.140 and hit training

01:17:02.260 and they all facilitate

01:17:04.420 different benefits.

01:17:06.040 So endurance training

01:17:07.240 is great for mitochondrial biogenesis,

01:17:09.540 which is the fancy way of saying

01:17:11.140 the battery packs on your cells

01:17:13.040 keeps them healthy

01:17:14.460 and vital

01:17:15.340 and helps create new ones.

01:17:17.440 You get into

01:17:18.280 hit training

01:17:19.140 and it's not only great

01:17:20.720 for your hormone balance

01:17:22.200 and your metabolism

01:17:23.280 because of something called EPOC,

01:17:24.980 which is also

01:17:25.480 a fancy way of saying

01:17:26.560 your body

01:17:27.740 utilizes more energy,

01:17:29.600 it burns more calories

01:17:30.700 to return itself

01:17:32.500 to the state

01:17:33.020 it was in before the workout.

01:17:34.200 Oh, so interesting.

01:17:35.700 Excess post-exercise

01:17:38.200 oxygen consumption,

01:17:39.640 which I've been doing

01:17:40.300 this 30 years

01:17:40.860 and I still can never remember

01:17:41.800 what this stands for.

01:17:42.520 I did not know that.

01:17:43.400 It's afterburn.

01:17:43.640 You burn more calories

01:17:44.240 while you're doing it

01:17:45.020 and after the workout's over.

01:17:47.300 And it's also

01:17:48.780 highly stressful.

01:17:50.340 So when we stress the body,

01:17:52.220 Yes, true.

01:17:52.800 the body adapts

01:17:53.780 to the stress

01:17:54.480 more quickly

01:17:55.220 and becomes fitter faster.

01:17:56.800 So it has a ton of benefits.

01:17:58.580 All of these different things.

01:17:59.860 Strength training

01:18:00.540 is going to help

01:18:01.380 maintain muscle,

01:18:03.060 bone density,

01:18:04.240 help to keep your HGH levels high

01:18:06.400 and your testosterone levels solid,

01:18:08.320 which as a woman, 0.99

01:18:09.060 we actually have

01:18:09.520 more testosterone than estrogen.

01:18:11.400 We just don't realize it

01:18:12.400 because men have

01:18:13.320 more testosterone than us,

01:18:14.860 but we need healthy levels

01:18:16.560 of testosterone too.

01:18:18.460 So it's great for you.

01:18:20.400 You do want to mix it up

01:18:21.340 and not get caught

01:18:22.080 doing one thing

01:18:23.540 for all those reasons.

01:18:24.100 I have a couple things to say.

01:18:24.900 So first of all,

01:18:25.340 people are wanting to know

01:18:26.360 the name of that thing again.

01:18:27.220 It's called The Class.

01:18:28.320 I have no financial stake

01:18:29.560 in this company whatsoever,

01:18:31.240 but it's very good.

01:18:32.240 I really like it

01:18:32.840 and I really love JC.

01:18:34.000 If you want to go online,

01:18:34.800 you have to register

01:18:35.400 and you can do it by instructor.

01:18:37.000 She's amazing.

01:18:39.260 Testosterone.

01:18:39.660 Now, I'm getting to be an old lady.

01:18:40.880 I'm 52 now,

01:18:41.700 so I got to think about these things.

01:18:42.940 Hormone replacement therapy

01:18:43.860 and all that stuff.

01:18:44.740 Okay, yeah.

01:18:45.200 Pre-menopausal, 0.51

01:18:45.980 or I have no idea

01:18:46.820 whether I'm menopausal

01:18:47.520 or not to be perfectly honest with you

01:18:48.900 because I've been on the pill

01:18:49.500 for so long,

01:18:50.200 you know,

01:18:50.980 but I did find out.

01:18:52.420 They should be checking your blood though.

01:18:52.900 Yes, I'm doing the process

01:18:53.780 of doing all this.

01:18:53.880 I was going to say,

01:18:53.900 Peter Atiyah can speak to you

01:18:55.180 in depth about that, actually.

01:18:57.020 I'm going to do a big show

01:18:57.560 on the whole thing

01:18:58.160 because I feel like women

01:18:59.180 don't talk about this enough,

01:19:00.560 but I wanted to say this.

01:19:01.740 I did learn something interesting,

01:19:02.940 which is if you're like me

01:19:03.820 and you've been on the pill

01:19:04.660 for a long time,

01:19:06.040 and then if you just go off the pill,

01:19:08.120 your testosterone goes up.

01:19:10.080 So, like,

01:19:10.780 a lot of women 1.00

01:19:11.660 are, like,

01:19:12.420 turning to testosterone now.

01:19:13.800 It's like the new sexy thing

01:19:14.840 to do in your 50s,

01:19:15.880 and if you just go off

01:19:17.780 the birth control pill,

01:19:18.660 you have a natural resurgence

01:19:19.920 of your normal testosterone.

01:19:21.740 I hate to tell you,

01:19:22.640 I can't speak to this

01:19:23.840 because I've never been

01:19:24.640 on the pill.

01:19:25.500 No?

01:19:25.880 Oh.

01:19:25.980 Never risked being pregnant. 0.87

01:19:27.080 Oh, this is the benefit

01:19:27.740 of being a lesbian.

01:19:29.880 You have a way lower risk

01:19:31.660 of STDs,

01:19:32.620 and you don't have to worry

01:19:34.140 about getting pregnant.

01:19:35.680 That's amazing.

01:19:36.380 Yeah, now I just worry about it

01:19:37.360 when my daughter

01:19:37.820 gets a little older.

01:19:38.760 It's like,

01:19:39.020 can we get into the 20s,

01:19:40.820 please?

01:19:41.340 Just let me get there.

01:19:43.020 But yeah,

01:19:43.600 I haven't done my homework

01:19:45.240 on this per se,

01:19:46.980 but I do know

01:19:48.180 a few great doctors.

01:19:49.460 Yeah, no,

01:19:49.920 I'm going to do a whole show on this.

01:19:51.100 Peter is one.

01:19:52.640 Sarah Goffried is great.

01:19:53.960 She's another great one.

01:19:55.220 But I have a question for you

01:19:56.280 on the types of exercise

01:19:57.860 you were just listing.

01:19:58.800 Yeah.

01:19:59.040 So I don't know

01:20:00.500 how to do those,

01:20:01.240 and I don't know

01:20:01.820 how to find out about those.

01:20:03.080 So how do I start

01:20:04.720 doing endurance training?

01:20:05.960 How do I start doing stuff

01:20:07.040 other than HIIT

01:20:08.140 and find a different class?

01:20:09.820 Right.

01:20:10.180 I don't have time

01:20:10.840 to go to the gym.

01:20:12.080 I could buy some equipment,

01:20:13.380 I guess,

01:20:13.620 for my house.

01:20:14.360 I don't even know what to,

01:20:15.240 I don't know where to begin.

01:20:16.220 Right, okay.

01:20:17.440 The first thing is,

01:20:18.480 I would say,

01:20:19.180 pick a few different workouts

01:20:20.300 that you like.

01:20:21.300 So for example,

01:20:21.900 if you like spinning,

01:20:23.280 that's going to be different

01:20:24.000 than yoga.

01:20:24.840 Yoga is going to be different

01:20:25.620 than HIIT training.

01:20:26.580 And that's good.

01:20:27.240 And strength training

01:20:28.020 is going to be,

01:20:28.500 yes.

01:20:28.760 If I wanted to dial this in

01:20:30.600 and go crazy, 0.66

01:20:32.360 which I do,

01:20:33.280 which I love to do,

01:20:36.880 and that is the benefit

01:20:38.320 of having a program

01:20:39.220 to a certain extent

01:20:39.940 is a trainer knows

01:20:41.160 how to create muscle splits

01:20:42.720 and program active recovery

01:20:44.000 and get just the right amount

01:20:45.220 of stress

01:20:45.700 and hit all different modalities.

01:20:47.500 You can go down that path

01:20:49.020 with some,

01:20:49.620 that's what I do

01:20:50.600 in the fitness app.

01:20:51.160 That's my job.

01:20:52.040 All the programs I create

01:20:53.360 are created

01:20:54.260 with all that in mind.

01:20:55.600 You don't think about it.

01:20:56.420 I can do it on the app.

01:20:57.000 But the person

01:20:58.440 who does not sign up

01:20:59.280 for the app,

01:20:59.680 and again,

01:21:00.200 no problem,

01:21:01.180 pick,

01:21:02.200 if you like yoga,

01:21:03.260 it's great for mobility,

01:21:05.160 calisthenic body weight conditioning,

01:21:07.540 do a HIIT workout

01:21:08.440 a couple times a week,

01:21:10.000 get into an endurance-based

01:21:11.680 form of training

01:21:12.520 like cycling

01:21:13.340 or swimming

01:21:14.040 or jogging

01:21:15.320 or incline walking.

01:21:18.440 Pick different things,

01:21:19.760 just a handful,

01:21:21.380 and mix it up.

01:21:22.360 And every couple of weeks,

01:21:25.420 change the stimulus.

01:21:26.440 So, for example,

01:21:27.940 if you're going into the gym

01:21:29.180 and you're doing

01:21:30.600 a chest press,

01:21:32.020 instead,

01:21:32.660 do push-ups in two weeks.

01:21:34.240 If you've been doing

01:21:35.220 the chest press

01:21:35.760 with 20 pounds,

01:21:37.760 10 reps,

01:21:38.600 do 10 pounds,

01:21:39.540 20 reps.

01:21:40.240 This is so disheartening

01:21:41.000 because after having done this

01:21:42.480 now for weeks,

01:21:43.240 I'm getting really good

01:21:44.560 and it's getting so much easier

01:21:45.920 and I'm loving this phase.

01:21:47.680 Now my whole bubble

01:21:48.560 has been burst.

01:21:49.480 No!

01:21:49.780 This is bad

01:21:50.420 that it's getting easier.

01:21:51.220 No, it's excellent!

01:21:51.720 I have to make it harder.

01:21:52.240 You don't even necessarily

01:21:54.180 need to make it harder,

01:21:55.200 you make it different.

01:21:56.320 Yeah.

01:21:56.840 You make it a little bit different

01:21:57.920 because,

01:21:59.460 okay,

01:22:00.600 you haven't worked out in a while,

01:22:01.620 you go to the gym,

01:22:02.300 you do 10 push-ups,

01:22:03.020 you're so sore.

01:22:04.120 Do 10 push-ups for 10 days,

01:22:05.540 by the 10th day,

01:22:06.200 you're like,

01:22:06.660 what is the benefit of exercise?

01:22:10.040 Why,

01:22:10.700 actually,

01:22:11.160 is the question,

01:22:12.140 is exercise beneficial?

01:22:13.280 And the answer

01:22:13.860 is because exercise is stress.

01:22:16.780 We love to talk about

01:22:17.620 cold exposure

01:22:18.300 and heat exposure

01:22:19.300 and micro-dosing mushroom.

01:22:21.300 Everybody's doing

01:22:21.700 all this crazy shit.

01:22:22.920 People are freaking doing that.

01:22:25.020 Listen,

01:22:25.600 I've been guilty of all of it.

01:22:26.800 I'm always exploring all of it,

01:22:28.460 but the number one thing

01:22:31.260 is right in front of us

01:22:32.460 and it's exercise.

01:22:34.020 So,

01:22:34.840 when you are training your body,

01:22:36.360 you're stressing the body.

01:22:38.020 Stressing the body

01:22:38.600 in different ways

01:22:39.900 creates different

01:22:41.340 stress adaptation responses.

01:22:43.700 So,

01:22:44.000 some condition

01:22:44.460 your cardiovascular system

01:22:45.760 and some help to maintain

01:22:47.000 muscle and bone density.

01:22:49.300 Plus,

01:22:49.840 you're not going to adapt.

01:22:51.280 You adapt,

01:22:52.540 but then you change it up again

01:22:53.780 so you get more benefit

01:22:54.920 because once you have adapted,

01:22:56.960 now you've adapted

01:22:57.660 and there's no more stress.

01:22:59.540 So,

01:23:00.080 I can relate to this

01:23:00.840 from an emotional standpoint

01:23:01.980 because I do welcome

01:23:03.740 danger

01:23:04.760 and risk-taking

01:23:06.040 100%.

01:23:06.700 And even,

01:23:07.800 this sounds weird,

01:23:08.760 but like attacks

01:23:09.640 on me.

01:23:11.020 I do,

01:23:11.500 not physical,

01:23:12.100 but like,

01:23:12.580 I don't mind when somebody

01:23:13.700 pummels me in the press

01:23:14.580 because I do feel like

01:23:16.060 it's just a little bit more fuel

01:23:17.800 to make me stronger.

01:23:18.700 I always get stronger

01:23:19.580 when people attack me.

01:23:21.080 So,

01:23:21.360 that's,

01:23:21.780 I think most people

01:23:22.420 go the opposite way.

01:23:23.280 They use their physical building,

01:23:25.600 you know,

01:23:25.780 like their muscle building

01:23:26.680 to call on that

01:23:27.820 when things get tough emotionally.

01:23:29.960 I think I need to go

01:23:30.720 in the opposite direction

01:23:31.660 and call on my emotional experience

01:23:33.820 to inspire me

01:23:35.380 to try harder physically,

01:23:36.940 to mix it up,

01:23:37.800 to take in new stressors.

01:23:38.880 You have healthy ego strength though.

01:23:40.820 Yeah,

01:23:41.180 that's true.

01:23:41.660 You do.

01:23:42.040 And not everyone has that

01:23:45.060 for different reasons

01:23:46.160 and it can absolutely be developed

01:23:47.740 just like physical strength.

01:23:49.640 But I would not say

01:23:51.060 you're the norm.

01:23:52.280 It's impressive.

01:23:53.020 That's why you're,

01:23:53.580 that's why you're so inspirational.

01:23:55.020 This is,

01:23:55.620 this is interesting.

01:23:56.620 I'm into this

01:23:57.280 because I know somebody

01:23:59.280 who I want desperately

01:24:00.880 to make different decisions.

01:24:02.980 Desperately.

01:24:03.980 And I confess to you,

01:24:05.700 I've been saying like,

01:24:06.580 why,

01:24:06.880 why can't I get this person

01:24:07.740 to make different decisions?

01:24:08.680 And my other friend is saying,

01:24:09.880 you can't like,

01:24:11.800 this is,

01:24:12.200 this person's different than you are.

01:24:13.660 Horse to water.

01:24:14.840 Right.

01:24:15.340 They gotta want to drink.

01:24:16.480 And you,

01:24:16.840 I am guilty,

01:24:18.080 I think too often

01:24:18.760 of coming from it

01:24:19.560 just from my background

01:24:20.420 and my judgments,

01:24:21.380 my character

01:24:21.920 and saying,

01:24:22.900 do it this way.

01:24:23.820 Yeah.

01:24:24.280 And not everybody,

01:24:25.420 as you point out,

01:24:25.960 has the same background.

01:24:27.100 No,

01:24:27.480 my therapist helps me

01:24:28.700 with that all the time.

01:24:30.800 Especially with my kids.

01:24:32.380 He's like,

01:24:33.140 they're not you.

01:24:34.160 I'm like,

01:24:34.520 but when I look at

01:24:36.480 why I feel the need,

01:24:38.840 it's usually coming

01:24:39.720 from my own fear

01:24:40.940 of something.

01:24:41.580 Whether it's fear

01:24:42.240 of them being around

01:24:43.240 for you

01:24:44.320 or fear

01:24:45.340 that you might be

01:24:46.040 failing them

01:24:46.680 in some way

01:24:47.440 or something

01:24:48.760 you're projecting

01:24:49.420 about when maybe

01:24:50.220 you didn't feel

01:24:51.060 strong enough

01:24:51.620 to do it.

01:24:52.540 But the reality is,

01:24:54.180 we can impact

01:24:55.020 loved ones

01:24:55.680 three ways.

01:24:56.940 One is

01:24:57.580 asking them

01:24:59.280 aspirational questions.

01:25:01.700 What do you want

01:25:02.120 for yourself?

01:25:02.740 Where do you see yourself?

01:25:03.580 Helping them identify

01:25:04.440 the why.

01:25:05.520 Right?

01:25:06.120 Nietzsche.

01:25:07.020 If you have the why

01:25:07.760 to live for,

01:25:08.220 you can tolerate

01:25:08.720 the how.

01:25:09.540 I like to quote Nietzsche.

01:25:10.440 I feel like it makes

01:25:11.000 me look very erudite.

01:25:11.940 It does.

01:25:12.220 I like it.

01:25:12.560 Thank you.

01:25:14.460 Comes from my mom

01:25:15.520 who taught me

01:25:16.220 I was a good 20.

01:25:18.360 Yeah,

01:25:18.620 but I take

01:25:19.380 credit for knowing

01:25:20.300 the quote all on my own

01:25:21.100 and pretending

01:25:21.540 to read Nietzsche.

01:25:22.200 Anyway,

01:25:23.040 circling back.

01:25:24.400 If they have the why

01:25:25.280 to live for,

01:25:25.800 hopefully they can tolerate

01:25:26.640 the how,

01:25:27.180 the how being the work

01:25:27.940 associated with the goal.

01:25:29.940 Often that isn't enough

01:25:31.920 on its own

01:25:32.640 because of whatever

01:25:33.940 the habits

01:25:35.300 are providing them,

01:25:36.840 those habits

01:25:37.780 are more valuable

01:25:38.620 than the why.

01:25:39.360 They just don't realize it

01:25:40.900 because they're not

01:25:41.420 conscious necessarily

01:25:42.520 about why they're engaging

01:25:43.580 in destructive behaviors.

01:25:45.900 So,

01:25:46.400 you can then try,

01:25:48.840 you can try to scare them,

01:25:50.420 you can try to facilitate

01:25:51.380 a rock bottom moment

01:25:52.400 and this is something

01:25:53.220 that I would do

01:25:54.000 on Biggest Loser

01:25:54.720 where it's like,

01:25:55.600 okay,

01:25:56.160 I want you to feel

01:25:57.480 the pain

01:25:58.100 of where you've been living

01:25:59.140 because it's,

01:26:00.440 if it's more painful

01:26:01.420 to continue doing

01:26:02.440 what you're doing,

01:26:04.100 hopefully,

01:26:05.040 then the work,

01:26:07.320 if it's more painful

01:26:08.020 to continue doing

01:26:08.900 what you're doing

01:26:09.360 than the pain

01:26:09.920 and the work

01:26:10.260 associated with

01:26:10.840 making the change,

01:26:12.300 you'll move,

01:26:13.480 right?

01:26:13.740 So,

01:26:13.880 it's like your kids

01:26:14.640 are in bed at night

01:26:15.840 afraid you're going

01:26:16.280 to have a heart attack,

01:26:17.060 your wife is afraid 0.77

01:26:18.060 you're going to widow her, 0.79

01:26:19.080 like,

01:26:19.620 can you scare them into,

01:26:21.480 and usually it's the person

01:26:22.360 that has the quadruple bypass

01:26:23.500 that suddenly makes the change,

01:26:25.040 is the rock,

01:26:26.660 rock bottom.

01:26:27.860 J.K. Rowling,

01:26:29.060 rock bottom is a great place

01:26:30.660 to begin rebuilding your life.

01:26:31.880 I didn't quote that exactly.

01:26:33.660 And then the third thing

01:26:34.740 that you do

01:26:35.200 is you lead by example,

01:26:36.800 and that's the one thing

01:26:37.660 you really have.

01:26:39.420 And then sometimes

01:26:40.140 they never get there,

01:26:41.360 sometimes they do,

01:26:42.820 but the deeper question

01:26:44.060 is why are you so compelled?

01:26:45.940 Because often,

01:26:47.380 you know,

01:26:48.000 you're the only thing

01:26:48.680 you can control

01:26:49.640 in that change.

01:26:52.900 Well,

01:26:53.440 I hope that my own

01:26:54.380 exercise journey

01:26:55.260 will make me more

01:26:56.120 empathetic toward people

01:26:57.280 and their emotional struggles

01:26:59.000 as opposed to just

01:27:00.420 bootstrap it up.

01:27:01.420 Come on.

01:27:02.000 Let's go.

01:27:03.500 We want to talk

01:27:04.240 about eating too.

01:27:05.040 I want to find out.

01:27:05.680 Don't you want to know

01:27:06.180 what she eats in a day?

01:27:07.280 I have some answers

01:27:08.240 and we'll get into them

01:27:09.880 right after this.

01:27:10.620 Don't go away.

01:27:14.300 Fitness expert

01:27:15.240 Jillian Michaels

01:27:15.940 is with me

01:27:16.560 in studio today.

01:27:17.660 All right,

01:27:17.980 so let's have it lady.

01:27:18.880 In a day,

01:27:19.460 what's your normal diet?

01:27:20.320 I have grown

01:27:22.280 more stringent

01:27:24.040 with the years.

01:27:26.280 So this is

01:27:27.420 seemingly

01:27:28.940 unrelatable.

01:27:29.600 I used to be able

01:27:30.140 to show up

01:27:30.640 and be far more relatable.

01:27:32.620 I'm no longer relatable.

01:27:33.640 I'm no longer relatable.

01:27:34.820 Are you like Gwyneth Paltrow,

01:27:35.920 like bone broth

01:27:36.540 and that's it?

01:27:37.080 No,

01:27:37.700 not at all,

01:27:38.680 but I am really

01:27:39.980 meticulous with my food.

01:27:42.440 I think the more

01:27:43.040 I've learned...

01:27:43.820 Tell us.

01:27:44.240 We won't look like you,

01:27:45.040 so we'll do it.

01:27:45.840 So I do do

01:27:46.840 the 16-hour fast

01:27:47.820 and I know how to do it

01:27:48.960 and people make

01:27:50.580 a lot of mistakes with it.

01:27:51.600 They do it

01:27:51.920 for the wrong reasons.

01:27:53.300 I do it

01:27:54.020 for two weeks at a time

01:27:55.240 and I'm after

01:27:57.560 something called autophagy,

01:27:58.820 which means

01:27:59.500 I want my body

01:28:00.180 to cull dead

01:28:00.960 and senescent tissue

01:28:01.780 so I don't eat

01:28:03.800 until noon.

01:28:04.460 I give myself

01:28:04.980 that 16 hours.

01:28:06.220 I walk after dinner

01:28:07.020 to really accelerate

01:28:07.980 how quickly.

01:28:08.280 So doing the math,

01:28:08.760 you stop at 6?

01:28:09.680 I stop at 8,

01:28:11.640 by 8 o'clock

01:28:12.220 and eat at noon.

01:28:13.080 Is that 16?

01:28:13.920 Okay,

01:28:14.440 thank you.

01:28:14.760 I do that too.

01:28:16.940 I just didn't realize

01:28:17.740 I was doing 16 hours.

01:28:18.740 Okay,

01:28:18.900 keep going.

01:28:19.280 So stop by 8

01:28:20.060 and start again at noon

01:28:21.260 and then sometimes

01:28:22.500 I feel like breakfast,

01:28:23.460 sometimes I feel like lunch.

01:28:24.500 So it just depends

01:28:25.380 and it could be

01:28:26.420 overnight oats

01:28:28.560 with all kinds

01:28:29.500 of superfoods

01:28:30.300 and seeds

01:28:30.860 and nuts

01:28:31.380 and fruits

01:28:32.220 and things

01:28:33.400 and vitamins

01:28:34.160 and all the crazy stuff

01:28:35.560 that you see

01:28:36.780 in the...

01:28:38.140 Ariana berry,

01:28:39.040 like I get a little

01:28:39.860 out there with it.

01:28:41.960 It could be

01:28:42.360 a yogurt parfait,

01:28:43.240 it could be eggs.

01:28:44.000 Eggs are amazing for you.

01:28:44.980 They have choline,

01:28:45.860 acetyl,

01:28:46.380 all this great stuff.

01:28:47.680 It could be eggs

01:28:48.400 with whole grain toast,

01:28:49.480 it could be wild caught

01:28:50.680 salmon lox

01:28:51.660 on whole grain toast.

01:28:53.880 Both.

01:28:54.340 Whole grain organic.

01:28:55.200 Oh, no, no, no.

01:28:56.420 Carbs are amazing for you.

01:28:57.520 I did hear

01:28:57.980 that you liked

01:28:58.360 a turkey sandwich.

01:28:59.140 I was like,

01:28:59.460 I've got to talk to you.

01:29:00.280 Good.

01:29:00.440 No woman eats 0.99

01:29:01.180 a turkey sandwich

01:29:01.780 who's skinny.

01:29:02.760 Of course.

01:29:03.280 Why?

01:29:03.680 I don't know

01:29:04.040 because bread is the devil.

01:29:05.460 Bread is not the devil.

01:29:07.380 It's not organic whole grain.

01:29:09.540 Bread is not at all the devil.

01:29:11.720 And in fact...

01:29:12.260 Like Ezekiel or what do you...

01:29:13.320 Yeah, Ezekiel or Dave's killer bread.

01:29:15.400 Dave, right.

01:29:16.720 I know Dave.

01:29:17.160 I see Dave in the aisle

01:29:18.600 all the time.

01:29:19.180 Dave's all the time.

01:29:19.860 Dave's is a little less,

01:29:20.960 a little more flavorful,

01:29:22.780 if you will.

01:29:23.360 I think Dave's

01:29:23.900 is a good entry point

01:29:25.120 for organic whole grain bread.

01:29:27.420 Ezekiel's is more of like 0.98

01:29:28.680 seasoned,

01:29:29.800 yeah,

01:29:30.040 the HIIT trainer.

01:29:31.040 With that said,

01:29:33.400 lunch is usually,

01:29:35.240 if I go with lunch instead,

01:29:37.160 like for example,

01:29:37.700 I just had a green salad

01:29:39.400 that I added chicken to

01:29:41.640 with avocado and almonds

01:29:43.280 and dressing on the side,

01:29:44.560 but it's olive oil.

01:29:45.700 Yeah.

01:29:46.380 A little,

01:29:47.380 you know,

01:29:47.860 then I'll have

01:29:49.040 something carbs,

01:29:50.540 protein and fat.

01:29:51.260 It could be

01:29:51.920 back to the yogurt

01:29:53.980 with the fruit

01:29:54.700 or back to

01:29:55.880 some rotisserie chicken

01:29:58.940 with an apple or...

01:30:00.620 Is this a snack or a dinner?

01:30:01.680 This could be snack.

01:30:02.500 Okay.

01:30:02.620 So it's usually 12,

01:30:04.000 then three to four hours later,

01:30:06.160 usually around 3.30.

01:30:08.200 Yeah, that's when it kicks in.

01:30:08.940 Snack and a coffee,

01:30:10.320 my second coffee,

01:30:11.580 and then dinner

01:30:12.900 from seven to eight.

01:30:14.740 And it just depends.

01:30:16.440 My wife cooks.

01:30:17.520 She's an amazing cook, 0.95

01:30:18.360 so she can make anything 0.91

01:30:20.040 that I want literally

01:30:21.260 in a healthy way.

01:30:23.300 One day I'm like,

01:30:24.680 God, I miss Kung Pao chicken.

01:30:26.660 She figured out

01:30:27.400 how to make Kung Pao chicken.

01:30:28.880 I want to marry her.

01:30:30.060 She's amazing.

01:30:30.980 She really is.

01:30:31.740 She's incredible.

01:30:32.440 She can cook. 0.98

01:30:33.280 It's unbelievable.

01:30:34.180 She'll make you 1.00

01:30:34.580 a grass-fed filet

01:30:35.800 that's better than Mastro's.

01:30:37.140 What?

01:30:37.580 Hands down,

01:30:38.420 with like the green beans

01:30:39.960 and the garlic.

01:30:40.900 She's fantastic.

01:30:42.520 So I can eat really well

01:30:43.700 at home

01:30:44.120 and get all the stuff

01:30:46.240 that I like,

01:30:46.780 but we do go out

01:30:47.600 and when we do...

01:30:48.280 Do you ever have dessert?

01:30:49.400 Never.

01:30:50.120 Never.

01:30:50.780 No sugar.

01:30:52.680 But here's why.

01:30:55.480 Remember that,

01:30:56.540 you know,

01:30:56.800 we talked about

01:30:57.260 being overweight as kids.

01:30:58.420 This is an addiction for me.

01:31:00.320 Yeah.

01:31:00.540 And I don't really have an...

01:31:01.960 I don't have this middle

01:31:03.540 of just one.

01:31:05.280 Yeah.

01:31:06.020 It's like the alcoholic, right.

01:31:06.960 I just don't.

01:31:08.360 You just don't go down.

01:31:08.980 I just don't.

01:31:10.000 And if I don't,

01:31:11.480 then I just don't.

01:31:12.560 But if I think,

01:31:13.860 well, just one,

01:31:14.700 then the next day

01:31:15.340 it's just one.

01:31:16.540 And then the next day

01:31:17.120 it's one at lunch

01:31:17.700 and one at dinner.

01:31:18.920 And you know yourself.

01:31:20.040 It is very much...

01:31:21.260 That's why I understand

01:31:22.160 this stuff so much.

01:31:22.940 How about supplements?

01:31:23.980 I know you like supplements.

01:31:25.320 I feel overwhelmed by them.

01:31:26.780 I feel...

01:31:27.080 I understand.

01:31:28.000 Let me give you the five

01:31:28.800 that you should take.

01:31:29.820 Yeah.

01:31:30.560 Arguably.

01:31:31.080 And of course,

01:31:32.000 talk to your doctor.

01:31:32.940 And that really does matter.

01:31:34.260 It really is important

01:31:35.180 that you talk to your doctor

01:31:36.060 because you don't want

01:31:38.520 to supplement something

01:31:39.480 without knowing

01:31:41.440 what your levels are.

01:31:42.840 I know people

01:31:43.180 that take 10,000 milligrams

01:31:44.640 of vitamin D3.

01:31:46.220 I'm like,

01:31:46.580 whoa.

01:31:48.280 I don't even know

01:31:48.880 whether that's good or bad.

01:31:50.100 That's a lot?

01:31:50.560 It depends.

01:31:51.280 It absolutely can be a lot.

01:31:53.020 Yeah.

01:31:53.640 So it depends on

01:31:55.100 are they deficient in vitamin D?

01:31:56.780 Like,

01:31:57.000 what are you doing?

01:31:59.180 So I would say

01:32:00.440 talk to your doctor

01:32:01.600 before you get into things.

01:32:03.200 But some of the most obvious

01:32:04.260 that you could do

01:32:05.060 is an organic greens powder

01:32:07.300 that's whole food based,

01:32:09.500 right?

01:32:09.720 Then hopefully

01:32:10.280 you're getting antioxidants,

01:32:11.900 the green veggies,

01:32:13.400 the adaptogens,

01:32:14.460 a probiotic,

01:32:15.120 a prebiotic.

01:32:16.040 Great.

01:32:16.600 You can't really go on.

01:32:17.640 What's an adaptogen?

01:32:18.740 That is a whole separate show.

01:32:20.420 Is that a pill you can take?

01:32:21.140 No.

01:32:21.460 What is that?

01:32:21.880 You're saying it should be

01:32:22.760 in your powder

01:32:23.300 that you're putting on your food?

01:32:23.840 So adaptogens would be 0.99

01:32:25.220 things like reishi,

01:32:26.640 functional mushrooms,

01:32:27.800 cordyceps.

01:32:27.900 I understand none

01:32:28.820 of the words you're speaking.

01:32:29.800 Okay.

01:32:30.600 Okay.

01:32:31.280 Okay.

01:32:32.320 Ashwagandha.

01:32:32.840 Have you heard of like ashwagandha?

01:32:34.040 I know we advertise

01:32:34.900 for mud water

01:32:35.580 and they've got a lot

01:32:36.240 of this stuff in there.

01:32:36.780 Okay.

01:32:37.520 So these are foods

01:32:39.780 that theoretically

01:32:41.220 there are other health benefits

01:32:43.220 because I've had a hard time

01:32:44.400 buying into this concept

01:32:45.440 no matter how many experts

01:32:46.820 I've spoken to you

01:32:47.480 on the subject matter.

01:32:48.620 Theoretically adapt

01:32:49.780 to your body's unique needs

01:32:51.680 and help stabilize

01:32:53.060 or bring balance

01:32:54.320 to your hormones.

01:32:58.020 Would you go into GNC

01:32:59.760 and say I want

01:33:00.760 an adaptogenic?

01:33:01.860 You could buy

01:33:02.820 yeah adaptogenic herbs.

01:33:04.520 You could.

01:33:05.160 All right.

01:33:05.340 So what have we given permission

01:33:06.580 for one of the five again?

01:33:07.740 I would do an organic

01:33:08.340 greens powder superfood.

01:33:11.500 I'm all transparency.

01:33:12.980 I invested in a company

01:33:14.040 called the Lion Naturals.

01:33:15.680 They have one

01:33:16.440 and it's half the price

01:33:17.540 of the leading brand

01:33:18.320 and all organic

01:33:19.180 and arguably better

01:33:20.080 but there's a bunch out there.

01:33:22.300 Do your homework on it.

01:33:23.680 Food based.

01:33:24.720 I would without question

01:33:26.500 do fish oil.

01:33:28.960 Yes.

01:33:29.580 I take that.

01:33:30.360 Yeah.

01:33:30.700 Fish oil is super important

01:33:32.480 and just make sure

01:33:33.640 that it's third party

01:33:34.760 lab tested

01:33:35.320 so you're not getting

01:33:35.940 heavy metals

01:33:36.600 and all the above.

01:33:37.760 Did we do that?

01:33:38.880 Abby.

01:33:41.240 I don't think

01:33:41.860 we did any testing.

01:33:42.780 No you don't have to.

01:33:43.760 You don't have to.

01:33:44.360 I know but we didn't see.

01:33:45.580 Yeah it needs to say

01:33:46.660 third party lab tested.

01:33:47.840 If the company

01:33:48.260 does not do that

01:33:49.240 do not

01:33:49.920 don't buy from them.

01:33:51.540 You don't know

01:33:51.940 what is in there.

01:33:52.920 Literally I think

01:33:53.560 because they're not regulated.

01:33:54.560 Okay good to know.

01:33:55.320 So this is how

01:33:55.800 they can prove to you

01:33:56.700 that what they claim

01:33:57.420 is in there

01:33:57.800 is in there

01:33:58.300 and none of the stuff

01:33:59.460 that you don't want

01:34:01.200 is not in there.

01:34:03.020 Okay.

01:34:03.220 So fish oil absolutely

01:34:04.900 I would do D3 and K2

01:34:06.580 absolutely

01:34:07.260 and you want to do

01:34:08.080 K2 is really important.

01:34:11.280 It's a vitamin.

01:34:13.620 One of the things it does

01:34:15.120 is it helps you get

01:34:16.600 the calcium

01:34:17.220 where it needs to go

01:34:18.300 into your bones

01:34:19.040 instead of your arteries. 0.71

01:34:20.680 So you want D3

01:34:22.260 with the K2.

01:34:23.540 Okay.

01:34:23.800 It optimizes

01:34:24.600 the way your body

01:34:25.500 utilizes D3.

01:34:28.140 I take collagen

01:34:29.340 but if you do

01:34:31.240 as a pill

01:34:31.940 or you put it

01:34:32.600 in your coffee.

01:34:32.760 I take a powder

01:34:33.560 and I put it in

01:34:34.520 either my coffee

01:34:35.420 or I make this

01:34:36.320 afternoon drink

01:34:37.040 that's kind of crazy.

01:34:38.920 This is where

01:34:39.300 it's completely

01:34:40.140 unrelatable.

01:34:41.000 It's like organic matcha

01:34:43.280 cocoa flavanols.

01:34:45.840 Oh my god.

01:34:46.400 Do you have somebody

01:34:46.920 who works for you

01:34:47.780 who puts it together?

01:34:49.000 Who's got time

01:34:49.740 to make that?

01:34:50.060 She literally

01:34:50.520 makes fun of me.

01:34:51.200 She's like all you do

01:34:52.020 is live at the kitchen counter

01:34:53.400 making this shit

01:34:54.320 all day long.

01:34:55.060 How do you and your wife

01:34:56.360 feel about a thruple?

01:34:57.380 The thing is

01:35:01.520 I'm jealous

01:35:03.120 but if you say that

01:35:04.400 she's got such a crush

01:35:05.680 on you

01:35:05.980 I think we're done.

01:35:07.440 I'm out.

01:35:08.180 It's a deal.

01:35:08.720 I'm getting a divorce.

01:35:09.740 Poor Doug.

01:35:12.020 Alright dude

01:35:12.600 we hit all five?

01:35:13.400 I think we're missing one.

01:35:14.080 The collagen

01:35:14.780 the D3 0.74

01:35:15.720 the omegas

01:35:16.620 the greens

01:35:17.400 and I am an advocate

01:35:19.140 for a probiotic product.

01:35:21.860 I am.

01:35:22.360 But they are not

01:35:23.440 all created equal

01:35:24.280 so I am going to

01:35:25.140 plug Aliyah 0.84

01:35:25.680 one more time

01:35:26.260 but I will tell you

01:35:26.880 to do your own homework

01:35:27.700 Align Naturals

01:35:29.320 is human resident

01:35:30.780 strain probiotics

01:35:32.380 which I believe

01:35:35.100 in my vast experience

01:35:36.800 are the best form

01:35:37.500 to supplement

01:35:37.900 because soil based

01:35:39.100 are better when chewed

01:35:40.620 they should come from 0.94

01:35:41.260 well water

01:35:41.820 or organic vegetables

01:35:42.820 and fermented foods

01:35:46.200 yogurt

01:35:46.960 if we go to your fitness app

01:35:48.300 the fitness app

01:35:49.200 is this stuff on there?

01:35:50.640 That is not

01:35:51.200 but the meal plans are

01:35:52.200 the supplement regimen

01:35:53.080 is not

01:35:53.380 we want the meal plans

01:35:54.500 and we want help

01:35:55.560 diversifying our workouts

01:35:57.100 which for some of us

01:35:58.320 have only just begun

01:35:59.200 but I like it all

01:36:00.900 I love everything

01:36:01.800 about this woman

01:36:02.320 she not only

01:36:03.140 does she stand up

01:36:04.100 for you know

01:36:04.620 wellness

01:36:05.280 and fight back

01:36:06.220 against this crazy

01:36:07.060 overreach

01:36:08.040 on body positivity

01:36:08.840 but she had a

01:36:09.640 fight once

01:36:10.500 with Al Roker

01:36:11.240 so there's no reason

01:36:12.340 not to like her

01:36:13.060 he didn't like me

01:36:14.140 I didn't know

01:36:14.920 he didn't like me

01:36:15.600 either Jillian

01:36:16.140 found out the hard way

01:36:18.120 it's wonderful

01:36:19.760 wonderful wonderful

01:36:20.760 to see you

01:36:21.220 thank you

01:36:21.680 thank you so much

01:36:22.420 it's called

01:36:22.760 the fitness app

01:36:23.720 her podcast is called

01:36:24.720 keeping it real

01:36:25.720 and I hope we get

01:36:26.980 to see each other again

01:36:27.580 thank you so much

01:36:28.380 it's been an absolute pleasure

01:36:29.620 likewise

01:36:30.400 all the best to you

01:36:31.400 alright now don't forget

01:36:32.600 to tune in to the show

01:36:33.320 tomorrow

01:36:33.780 because we've got

01:36:34.400 Dave Rubin

01:36:35.260 he's been globe trotting

01:36:36.720 but he's back

01:36:37.760 he might be

01:36:38.620 Ron DeSantis'

01:36:39.380 number one fan

01:36:40.040 so we will hear

01:36:40.860 sort of the other side

01:36:42.200 of the story

01:36:42.520 I think he really liked

01:36:43.360 what happened last night

01:36:44.160 and we'll ask him why

01:36:44.980 he knows Ron DeSantis

01:36:45.900 very well

01:36:46.500 I think they're sitting

01:36:47.480 down together

01:36:48.200 I don't know

01:36:49.060 very soon

01:36:49.520 but I'll find out

01:36:51.000 and we'll get his take

01:36:52.100 on what happened

01:36:52.820 and what's likely

01:36:53.780 to happen

01:36:54.220 in this race

01:36:55.460 don't miss that

01:36:56.300 thanks for listening

01:36:59.880 to the Megan Kelly show

01:37:00.980 no BS

01:37:01.860 no agenda

01:37:02.620 and no fear

01:37:12.520 we'll see guess

01:37:16.320 go and tror

01:37:17.360 back on

01:37:17.700 and see if we

01:37:17.780 have time

01:37:18.240 in this race

The Megyn Kelly Show - May 25, 2023

DeSantis' False Start and Missed Opportunity, and Body Image in Our Culture, with Josh Holmes, Kash Patel, and Jillian Michaels ｜ Ep. 558

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