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00:01:01.340 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:01:13.000 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Legacy media and Democrats continue to go

00:01:18.520 in full panic mode over President Trump wanting to reduce crime in Washington, D.C. That's, yes,

00:01:25.360 that's a headline. In the same way they wouldn't stand for kids who are suffering with cancer at the

00:01:32.220 State of the Union, they feel the need to condemn President Trump's desire to reduce crime and save

00:01:39.040 lives in the nation's capital. Okay. And this whole story followed a typical Democratic cycle. First,

00:01:46.180 they said crime is non-existent. Crime is not a thing there. Then when challenged with the facts,

00:01:51.420 they bring up January 6th and racism. He's just doing this to black-run cities. Okay. Because,

00:01:58.160 you know, D.C. has a black mayor, who, by the way, has been working with Trump up until now. They've

00:02:02.020 been getting along kind of okay. And he mentioned potentially Chicago, New York. Yes, they both

00:02:07.640 happen to have black mayors. Does anybody think that Trump is biased against the New York City black

00:02:11.360 mayor who he just made sure federal criminal charges were dropped against? This is a race thing?

00:02:17.060 You absolute morons. Andrew Klavan is going to be here soon on all of that and more. But we begin

00:02:22.600 today with a bombshell. FBI Director Cash Patel has released new documents on how classified

00:02:30.220 information was leaked to the media and weaponized against Donald Trump during his first term as

00:02:35.720 president. Now, you remember for the past month plus, we've been discussing the Tulsi Gabbard releases

00:02:40.320 and how she is proving bit by bit that we had an intel community that was about to report to Barack

00:02:48.120 Obama, right, as he was leaving office and Trump was about to take office, that the Russians interfered

00:02:56.440 in that November 16 election, kind of the way they always do, like some social media BS. But there was

00:03:03.780 no hacking involved in, you know, election voting machines and so on. And that they stopped the

00:03:09.820 presses. Barack Obama held a meeting with his top staffer. His top staffer brought in all the intel

00:03:16.160 heads, gave directions from the president. And the very next day, they began on a new assignment,

00:03:22.160 which was to up play Russia's role in the election. And that was the official kickoff of

00:03:28.780 Russiagate. Russia, Russia, Russia, Russia. As they were doing this, they had been told months

00:03:35.920 earlier that they had seen an intel leaked to us by the Dutch that Hillary Clinton had been planning

00:03:43.040 to accuse Donald Trump of colluding with Russia. This is before she knew she was going to lose. She

00:03:49.220 just wanted like an insurance policy to distract from her email scandal. So this same administration,

00:03:55.240 the Obama administration knew that Hillary Clinton was planning on concocting this hoax.

00:04:00.380 And Barack Obama appears to have been 100 percent complicit and on board because he appears to have

00:04:06.660 been the one who gave the order. The notes say per the president's directive, they reversed what they

00:04:12.780 were going to do. The intel community on Russia, they changed it to Russia interference, collusion.

00:04:18.140 It's an 11. All hands on deck. Trump's a Russian asset. After that meeting between Obama's chief

00:04:24.860 of staff and top intel heads. And what was really interesting about this story was the December 8th

00:04:30.320 briefing looked like Russia, not really. And then as of December 9th, there was a new assignment per

00:04:36.960 the president's instructions. And that instruction was clearly to redo it in a way that would up play

00:04:43.500 Russia. And that official homework assignment got handed in in the beginning of January 2017 before

00:04:49.960 Trump was sworn in. So and you'll be surprised to hear that the homework assignment came out exactly

00:04:56.620 the way that Barack Obama wanted it to and Hillary Clinton wanted it to. Russia, Russia, Russia interfered

00:05:01.780 to help Trump, to help Donald Trump. That was the goal. All that was made up. There was absolutely no

00:05:06.680 intelligence support for it. All they had was the Steele dossier, which was a Hillary generated

00:05:10.900 document. And they knew that. So all of this has come out and been confirmed in the last month.

00:05:17.100 Bits and pieces have been coming out for years. But one of the interesting things about the story

00:05:21.060 has been before the homework assignment was completed on December 9th, OK, a month before the

00:05:26.960 official intelligence community assessment would hit, doing what Obama wanted it to do.

00:05:31.440 All the media had the story. Russia, they interfered. They did it to help Trump. Well, how'd they know that?

00:05:37.620 How'd they know that? Because the intel community only got its assignment like that day. And 24 hours

00:05:43.660 earlier, they were going to say something else. Boy, they really have their finger on the pulse,

00:05:46.580 don't they? How did the media know all this? Well, they were leaked, the story, very, very clearly.

00:05:53.540 They were leaked, the story and the question all along, ever since that day to this has been,

00:05:57.900 who leaked? There was a leak. There were multiple leaks. By whom? We have our suspicions.

00:06:04.220 We've we've always had our suspicions. We believe it was some top Democrats

00:06:08.340 or intel officials themselves. Who knows? But now we're getting actual possible answers.

00:06:16.240 And if what we're about to report to you is true, someone should be going to jail.

00:06:21.320 The only the only thing that would save this person from going to jail is if this whistleblower who's

00:06:25.780 just come forward is bullshit or if the statute of limitations has run. And given the fact that

00:06:32.120 we're being told the Trump administration and the DOJ is now kicking around more conspiracy type

00:06:36.780 claims, which have longer reaches. So in other words, in a conspiracy, you could reach back to

00:06:42.560 acts for which if brought as an individual crime, the statute of limitations would have expired.

00:06:47.280 But when part of the conspiracy, it can be raised again. I'm not sure whether those statute of

00:06:53.000 limitations expiring will save the people, will save the leakers. We'll have to see.

00:06:56.760 So what's happened over the past 24 hours is Kash Patel has leaked documents that he has found

00:07:04.200 FBI interviews of a whistleblower who has identified himself as a longtime Democratic staffer.

00:07:12.460 It's not a Republican operative, a Democratic staffer who was working

00:07:17.420 in Democratic offices at the time of the alleged leaking in 1617.

00:07:26.760 This staffer was interviewed by FBI agents on several occasions and told those agents

00:07:31.200 that then Congressman Adam Schiff was the one who approved the leaks to the media.

00:07:39.440 That it was Adam Schiff who approved the leaks to the media. And Eric Swalwell's name is going

00:07:44.480 to come up to in a minute. Now, this staff member began talking to the FBI in 2017 because he said he

00:07:50.840 considered the leaks to be, quote, unethical, illegal and treasonous. This is a Democrat staffer.

00:07:56.400 Who is saying to the FBI he had a holy shit moment when he heard Adam Schiff give the order.

00:08:04.660 These documents that outline the FBI's interview like they the FBI doesn't tape its interviews.

00:08:11.360 They go back and they report what they heard in in their interviews. And this is what they did.

00:08:20.580 And in these documents, they're called 302 interviews. They outline exactly what the

00:08:25.000 whistleblower said. Those 302 documents, write ups were released by the FBI and given to reporter

00:08:31.960 John Solomon. Now, John is the founder of Just the News, and he joins me right now to walk us through

00:08:37.560 why he believes, and so do I, that this is a bombshell.

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00:09:46.780 first subscription order. John, thank you so much for making the time for us this morning.

00:09:52.440 Yeah, good to be with you. So walk us through what the 302 reports that the FBI wrote up after their

00:09:58.440 interviews with this whistleblower say. Yeah, so let's give you a sense of who this person is. We

00:10:03.120 don't know their name because the name is redacted, but we know their career. They're a career

00:10:06.800 intelligence officer. So they started in the executive branch as an intelligence officer,

00:10:11.360 and then they get detailed to the Democratic side of the House Intelligence Committee. Eventually,

00:10:17.840 this person inherits as his boss, Adam Schiff, when Adam Schiff takes over as the Democrat minority

00:10:24.720 ranking member on House Intelligence in 2016. And they're working for Adam Schiff. And somewhere

00:10:31.440 in the beginning of the Russia collusion, false narrative building in America, he attends a

00:10:36.900 meeting where Adam Schiff says, we're going to leak this classified information. He raises some

00:10:41.580 objections. The staff said, don't worry about it. You'll never get prosecuted because we'll just claim

00:10:45.820 the speech and debate clause. That's the independent clause that keeps the executive and congressional

00:10:50.900 branches separate. And so let's just leak. And he doesn't think that's right because he knows

00:10:56.440 this is not Congress's intelligence to leak. He's a trained intelligence officer. These are equities

00:11:01.820 or intercepts and other information gathered by the CIA, by the FBI, by the NSA. Congress is allowed

00:11:09.120 to see them by virtue of their legislative authority, but it's not their products to leak. And so he comes

00:11:15.080 forward in interviews with the FBI on four occasions, twice in 2017, once in 2018, and again in 2022.

00:11:23.140 And each time, his story is very consistent. I witnessed a member of Congress authorizing the

00:11:29.920 leak of classified information. I think it's treasonous. I think it's illegal. I think it's

00:11:34.820 unethical. And the FBI ends up doing very little with it. They don't ever try to interview Adam Schiff.

00:11:40.420 They do interview one other staffer who is corroborating of this whistleblower's claims. And

00:11:46.760 then they take it over to the U.S. Attorney's Office. And the U.S. Attorney's Office in Washington,

00:11:50.900 D.C. says, eh, let's not bother with it. Let's not even tackle that one. And Adam Schiff walks

00:11:56.760 without any consequence or any further investigation. Now, if you go back at the time, you can see Jeff

00:12:02.080 Sessions and Rod Rosenstein and Chris Wray saying, we're taking these leaks very seriously. We don't

00:12:07.960 like these leaks. We're going to go after them. It turns out they didn't do very much seriously

00:12:11.960 at all. They swept it under the rug. And Adam Schiff is one of many people that the FBI had strong

00:12:17.840 reasons to believe was leaking the nation's most valuable secrets. And they didn't have any

00:12:23.020 consequence. I think tonight you'll see from me, Megan, another senior well-known name in American

00:12:28.680 history inside the FBI, who the FBI's own people were able to determine the most likely leak classified

00:12:36.180 information or authorize the leak of classified information. Again, no consequence. And so if you

00:12:42.160 want to protect the nation's secrets, this is not the way to do it. If you let people leak and there's

00:12:46.480 no penalty for it, you're going to have more leaks in the future. There's no deterrence.

00:12:50.620 I mean, didn't we just have a whole criminal investigation of Donald Trump for having

00:12:57.460 documents at Mar-a-Lago that might have classified information in them? And we just can't have that.

00:13:03.880 We can't have classified information running around out there in the hands of people who

00:13:07.620 aren't authorized. Meanwhile, this is the former president of the United States who can declassify

00:13:11.160 everything. We were told that for two years straight, the past two years by Democrats. And now

00:13:15.560 what you're saying is that one of the most vocal about that, Adam Schiff, had been at the helm of

00:13:21.100 releasing classified information to reporters. But that was different, you see, because that hurt

00:13:26.260 Donald Trump.

00:13:26.860 Yeah. Yeah, I think you have your finger on the bigger issue for the American public. And it's at

00:13:32.000 the heart of that grand conspiracy case that Kash Patel's team opened up in March of this year,

00:13:37.200 March and April of this year. It's a wash, rinse, and repeat cycle of protecting a Democrat and then

00:13:43.200 projecting some sort of criminal behavior on the Republican to protect the Democrat further. So

00:13:48.400 Hillary Clinton's got a classified email scandal. James Comey waves his magic wand, even though that's not

00:13:54.140 his call. He's not the attorney general, and says, I'm going to absolve her. And then immediately they

00:13:58.860 start Russia collusion. We get Hunter Biden's information in early 2019. When I'm at the Hill,

00:14:03.680 I write the first stories about the billion dollars being withheld and a threat to fire the prosecutor

00:14:09.080 investigating Hunter Biden. And then Donald Trump faces the impeachment inquiry from a whistleblower

00:14:14.820 whose information now looks to be pretty shaky, if not outright inaccurate. And then in 2021,

00:14:21.160 the Biden administration discovers Joe Biden's got classified documents in his garage and in his old

00:14:26.640 office at the University of Pennsylvania in Washington, D.C. And they project that crime on

00:14:31.260 Donald Trump, even though Donald Trump's in a very different legal situation. He's allowed to

00:14:35.800 declassify his documents and take them with him. The vice president isn't. That wash, rinse,

00:14:40.500 rinse cycle looks like you're constantly protecting the Democrats or their friends who do something wrong.

00:14:45.700 And then you tried to project a fake scandal on the Republicans to erase the conversation in

00:14:51.060 America. And I think that's why you're looking at a grand conspiracy case right now. It's in Pam

00:14:55.620 Bondi's hands to now decide whether she proceeds forward with it. Okay, going a little bit more from

00:15:00.980 these documents that you got your hands on. This is exclusively at Just the News. Thank you.

00:15:07.100 So the whistleblower was reportedly very specific on the details. Like this doesn't sound like a lie

00:15:15.280 because this person had a lot of details when speaking to the FBI. Quote, when working in this

00:15:19.400 capacity, this whistleblower was called to an all staff meeting by Schiff. In this meeting,

00:15:25.040 Schiff stated the group would leak classified information, which was derogatory to the president

00:15:30.220 of the United States, Donald J. Trump. Schiff stated the information would be used to indict

00:15:35.300 President Trump. The whistleblower stated this would be illegal. And upon hearing his concerns,

00:15:41.540 unnamed members of the meeting reassured that they would not be caught leaking classified

00:15:46.200 information. Now, this is the kind of thing that could potentially be confirmed by other staffers who

00:15:53.700 were present. This would they would also be Democrats. So what do we think the likelihood is that

00:15:59.460 someone's going to get subpoenaed and tell the truth about this?

00:16:02.880 That is a great question. I just asked that to Jim Jordan a few seconds ago. And we got it. We're

00:16:08.620 going to look at it and get back to you. So we'll see what happens. What's described in that meeting is

00:16:14.520 very important for one other reason, because it could affect the statute of limitations. Now,

00:16:18.900 the easiest way to overcome statute of limitations is to charge a grand conspiracy. And that allows you

00:16:23.720 to go back outside and take overt acts and roll them into things that are inside the statute of

00:16:29.100 limitations right now. So if the mob has been skimming money at casinos in Las Vegas, like the

00:16:35.220 famous movie Casino showed, and that was based on a real story, you can go back years and charge things

00:16:40.180 outside of statute of limitations because the skimming was still occurring in the time frame when the

00:16:45.620 charges are brought. That's one way to do it. But the Espionage Act has a unique provision. And the Espionage

00:16:51.520 Act is one of the laws that you could potentially apply to these leaks. It says if someone does it

00:16:56.980 knowing and willfully, the statute is extended to 10 years. That means things that were leaked in 17

00:17:03.480 are still within the statute of limitations. What this staffer describes at that meeting is a

00:17:08.740 conscious decision by Adam Schiff to authorize the leak of information. And then people are offering

00:17:14.760 excuses as to why it's okay to do it, even though your instinct, your training as that career intelligence

00:17:20.600 official tells you what you're about to do is illegal. That could very well be very strong

00:17:25.620 prima facie proof of knowing and willful violations. It could mean that Adam Schiff's team could be in

00:17:31.540 jeopardy right now. Now, the way you roll it up is the same way you're going to roll it up if you're

00:17:35.260 a mob prosecutor. You start with the little guys and the little gals, and you work your way up the

00:17:39.220 chain until you get to the top fish. So the first question for Pam Bondi is, will she look at this as

00:17:45.720 a 10-year statute of limitations case? Will she assign a prosecutor to it? The evidence is now out there,

00:17:51.280 and I think so much of the questions that you and I and everybody else have, they rest with Pam

00:17:56.800 Bondi. What will this attorney general do? Will it be the same as what happened under Jeff Sessions

00:18:01.580 and Merrick Garland and Rod Rosenstein and Bill Barr? Or will she break the cycle of no consequences

00:18:08.240 and actually start to create consequences? I think that's the moment we're at. The next few weeks,

00:18:12.520 we're going to find out if Pam Bondi is going to move in the direction of consequences or the

00:18:17.820 traditional Washington game of, well, it's terrible, and let's sweep it under the rug.

00:18:22.660 Here's Jonathan Turley writing up your scoop. He says,

00:18:28.860 Schiff has previously been accused of politicization of intelligence, including his claims after the

00:18:33.880 special counsel rejected the Russia collusion claims as unsupported, that he had secret evidence

00:18:38.340 in the committee proving such collusion. Remember, this is after the Mueller investigation fell apart.

00:18:41.820 I do.

00:18:42.240 And he wouldn't let go of it. He was like a dog with a bone, like, no, I've got secret evidence.

00:18:46.380 I'm going to bring forth the double secret probation evidence that shows there really

00:18:50.480 was collusion. He never produced that evidence, writes Turley, and it is widely believed that it

00:18:55.340 did not exist. And he goes on to say the following, this is different. This would be a premeditated

00:19:00.380 criminal act. It is hard to believe that a player like Schiff would be stupid enough to openly discuss

00:19:06.760 such a criminal act in a staff meeting. However, the fact that the whistleblower made this allegation

00:19:12.800 in a report to the FBI is equally probative. It's a crime to lie to federal investigators too.

00:19:20.880 And so, I mean, what he's saying is that either Adam Schiff or the whistleblower has committed a

00:19:28.180 crime from the look of this. One of those two has allegedly committed a crime. And why would this

00:19:33.620 whistleblower time and time again commit this crime over and over and over again just to get Adam Schiff

00:19:40.360 when repeatedly no prosecutor was doing anything about it? Boy, I mean, he was like a dog with a

00:19:45.320 bone himself trying to say, I'm telling you, my fellow party person, a Democrat, Adam Schiff,

00:19:52.220 has committed a crime and someone needs to pay attention to it. And he couldn't get any attention

00:19:56.120 under a Republican president or a Democrat president. Because if he came forward in 17 and 18,

00:20:02.580 John, that was the Trump DOJ. And if he came forward in 22, that was the Biden DOJ.

00:20:08.880 Yeah, you have it exactly right. Two presidents, same outcome. And I think that that's why so many

00:20:12.980 people talk about a unit party in the deep state, which is they make decisions and they exonerate the

00:20:19.800 elites. And then, you know, someone downstream, a National Guard guy that leaks some documents,

00:20:24.020 he'll get charged under the Espionage Act. But will a lawmaker, will an FBI director,

00:20:28.300 will someone else who there was potentially strong evidence of leaks, will they get prosecuted? And

00:20:34.260 the answer time and again is it doesn't seem to be ever, it ever seems to happen. There's a

00:20:39.640 natural dynamic here in Washington that the power brokers and elites, no matter what they do,

00:20:45.300 get swept under the rug. You're right. Listen, we're going to do something Adam Schiff almost never

00:20:48.720 does for the people he accuses. And that is, he deserves the benefit of the doubt. We should get

00:20:53.160 to the bottom of this. That getting to the bottom of it depends on the current Attorney General,

00:20:58.560 Pam Bondi, breaking the tradition of the last three attorneys generals who didn't bring many

00:21:03.580 consequences and seeing if we can get to the answer. There is a easy way to determine if this

00:21:09.540 happened. First of, we can go back and look at classified leaks in the New York Times. There are

00:21:14.520 no doubt that classified information that was in the privy of the House Intelligence Committee

00:21:20.080 was leaked to the news media, including in the New York Times. James Comey said so during testimony

00:21:25.480 in May of 2017. The OIG has found evidence of classified leaks that was in Congress. And I want to

00:21:32.140 remind people of a story we broke back a couple of years ago that there's a development on today.

00:21:38.680 The Justice Department had no problem looking at the phone records of members of Congress's staff

00:21:44.380 on the Republican side. Cash Patel was one of them. So was Jason Foster, the former chief investigator

00:21:51.340 for Chuck Grassi. So you've got Cash Patel, his phone records are taken when he's working for Devin

00:21:57.860 Nunes on the House Intelligence Committee side. And you've got Jason Foster. And now we found out there

00:22:02.920 were dozens of members of Congress whose phone records were taken to see if they could, if they were

00:22:08.240 involved in leaks. So we know Congress has been looked at for leaks in the past. The real question

00:22:13.540 is, why wasn't Adam Schiff? Was Adam Schiff's phone records taken? Was he ever interrogated? Was he ever

00:22:19.100 put before a grand jury the way a National Guardsman or a Pentagon soldier would have been put before a

00:22:25.780 grand jury if they thought they leaked information? I think that's the double standard that we're going

00:22:30.240 to be looking at, which is Adam Schiff, perhaps James Comey and others were given a different standard

00:22:36.680 than other leakers in the traditional history of prosecution on these issues.

00:22:41.240 John, let me remind me. So what was Cash doing and who was president when Cash's records were

00:22:47.540 subpoenaed? So Cash was the chief investigative counsel for the House Intelligence Committee

00:22:52.800 under Devin Nunes. And Devin Nunes, Cash Patel, and a team of other great investigators were the team

00:22:58.500 that was able to help America understand, even though they were ridiculed by the traditional media at the

00:23:03.260 time, that Russia collusion was a giant delusion. There was no there there, just like...

00:23:08.040 That was under the first Trump administration that he was conducting that investigation.

00:23:12.060 Trump won. 2018 is when their first report came out. And you mentioned Tulsi Gabbard's

00:23:16.780 declassifications in your opening. One of those declassifications was a 2020 report that went back

00:23:22.840 and said the CIA made up the entire intelligence assessment that Putin was trying to do.

00:23:27.420 That House intel report that got buried in a safe at Langley up until now. But wait, so whose DOJ was

00:23:34.520 investigating Cash's emails? Was it Trump's DOJ or Biden's DOJ?

00:23:39.580 2017 is when the subpoena comes in. So it is the Trump Justice Department looking at a Republican

00:23:45.380 and then not looking so aggressively at Adam Schiff when they have a whistleblower that come in that

00:23:49.900 fingers him.

00:23:51.000 But wait, so this is where it gets confusing for me, too. I want to keep it simple for the audience.

00:23:54.780 Because I know what happened under Donald Trump. He won. He was accused of the Russia collusion,

00:24:00.580 Robert Mueller, all that. But Trump, at some point during 1.0, and via his Attorney General,

00:24:07.340 Bill Barr, opened up a leak investigation to figure out who did leak that information to the media.

00:24:12.840 That's right.

00:24:13.380 And as far as I can tell, Bill Barr started to investigate it during Trump, like as at least

00:24:18.840 as of 2019, he was doing that. I'm not sure if it went back further.

00:24:22.120 And then it doesn't seem like he made that much progress, but then it seems he bounced past that

00:24:27.740 to John Durham, a special counsel who Trump appointed to take a deeper, wider look into

00:24:34.120 the whole Russiagate nonsense. And Durham seemed to be focused primarily on figuring out

00:24:38.940 who came up with the Russiagate nonsense. You know, Trump with the alleged server and Trump Tower

00:24:45.280 linked to Alpha Bank and all the nonsense. Like that was the main, and by the way, it was Hillary and

00:24:49.640 her campaign. But the secondary thing was, who was leaking this nonsense to the media?

00:24:54.800 And as far as I can tell, John, neither the Bill Barr initial investigation nor the John Durham bounce

00:24:59.960 pass that he received ever really went anywhere.

00:25:04.060 I think that's exactly right. As far as we can tell, it didn't go anywhere. And it's possible,

00:25:08.860 based on what I've learned in the last couple of days in reporting on this and looking for these

00:25:12.520 documents and getting them, that career people, the deep staters, the permanent administrative state,

00:25:17.900 may have made these decisions without alerting their bosses up the chain, and then they buried

00:25:22.640 it. So I think that's one of the things that we have to find out. Did the U.S. attorney appointed by

00:25:28.120 President Trump in Washington, D.C.? Did Jeff Sessions or Rod Rosenstein, remember Jeff Sessions is

00:25:33.980 conflicted out of the Russiagate question, so this could have gone to Rod Rosenstein.

00:25:38.300 Were they ever aware of the Adam Schiff whistleblower? If not, and was Bill Barr and was John Durham?

00:25:46.860 I don't see any reference to this in the Durham report. Durham was pretty thorough and methodical in his report.

00:25:52.180 Maybe not a great writer, not a great storyteller, but he got a lot of evidence in that report.

00:25:57.140 I don't think—it's very possible that a bureaucratic hand grabbed this at the assistant U.S.

00:26:02.360 attorney's level or somewhere in the Justice Department bureaucracy and made a decision to say,

00:26:07.500 we're done with this, we're not going to look at it, and it never rises to the top of the department,

00:26:11.820 which is a dynamic we saw consistently during the Trump first administration, where the deep state

00:26:17.800 didn't do what the president of the United States needed them to do.

00:26:21.900 Okay, but then—now here's another wrinkle.

00:26:24.400 So then Biden wins, and Merrick Garland takes over as attorney general, and they decide that the leak

00:26:34.220 investigations that were started under Trump 1.0 were probably allegedly inappropriate. They cast

00:26:41.460 too wide a net in going after too many congressional staffers and, you know, I guess potentially

00:26:47.600 intel heads and so on, and journalists. And so they come up with like a new protocol on like,

00:26:53.980 we're really going to dial it back and going after journalists. I mean, I'm sure, right? Because

00:26:57.820 the Biden administration knows probably full well what the Obama administration was doing and all

00:27:03.740 their favorites, like Adam Schiff. This is my supposition here. And so they pulled the horse back

00:27:08.620 by the bit and said, we're not that interested in leak investigations. And you know what? We actually

00:27:16.600 think we're going to have an inspector general of the DOJ start investigating the investigators that

00:27:23.320 Trump unleashed who were looking into who did the leak. And the DOJ's inspector general comes back

00:27:31.880 saying they went too far, like it was too aggressive. But he seems to say in a report that he finally

00:27:40.040 issued, Trump had already won again. It was issued on December 10th, 2024. And he, you know, pressed print

00:27:47.160 before Trump was actually sworn in. But he seems to say that there was some whistleblower. He makes a

00:27:53.780 mention of a whistleblower who they spoke to about the leaks and suggests that they did not deem this

00:28:01.980 guy to be credible. Do we know whether that's the guy you're looking at? And do we have reason to doubt

00:28:08.520 this whistleblower's credibility? Well, we don't know much about him yet, right? It's hard. We don't know

00:28:13.620 the name yet because the name was redacted when it was sent to Congress. So we don't know much more

00:28:17.880 than that. If you interview him four times over four years, you clearly have some belief that he

00:28:25.100 has credibility or you wouldn't keep going to him and asking the question, right? You say, yeah, we

00:28:29.180 don't deem him credible. They interviewed him again in 2023. I think that that is a very important moment

00:28:34.380 in the investigation. The other important moment of the investigation is the moments when he says leaks

00:28:39.880 occurred are moments where you can see those leaks in the public. There are classified leaks that

00:28:45.140 occurred in the February, March, April 2017 timeframe, right around the time that briefings

00:28:51.060 occurred to the House Intelligence Committee. So when you look at that pattern, there's some

00:28:56.200 prima facie proof that suggests, hey, this guy seems to be talking about something that looks on the face

00:29:01.040 of it to be relevant. And I think at the end of the day, we're not enough meaningful investigation

00:29:08.540 has been done to really resolve who's telling the truth. Either Adam Schiff is telling the truth

00:29:14.340 or this whistleblower is. That's the travesty of what happened the last six and seven years.

00:29:21.340 We didn't do thorough investigations to resolve things that are pretty easy to resolve. We had no

00:29:27.060 problem figuring out the National Guardsmen leaking documents. We could easily have figured out who

00:29:32.720 leaked information. In some cases, as you'll see tonight, Megan, in my next story, there are senior

00:29:37.920 government officials who step up to the plate and say, yes, I leaked that information and I did it

00:29:43.820 at the instruction of my boss. You're going to see that tonight in a different case. And again,

00:29:49.620 there's still no consequence. So the real pattern, the most obvious pattern is we seem to be outraged

00:29:56.360 by leaks, but we seldom seem to be able to hold elites who are behind the leaks accountable.

00:30:01.880 And just to amend what I said, the report was that the inspector general revealed that there were two

00:30:11.140 lawmakers targeted by the DOJ when trying to figure out who the leakers were. They say because a

00:30:18.560 Democratic staffer, quote, identified them to investigators as potential leakers, but without

00:30:24.980 providing any evidentiary support for the claim. So it's not necessarily not credible. It's without

00:30:31.480 providing any evidentiary support for the claim. Although that's odd too, because it's an odd

00:30:36.920 language, isn't it? Verbal testimony is evidentiary support. And it sounds like he gave that three

00:30:42.340 times to the, or at least once in writing to the FBI, no, three times to the FBI because we have the

00:30:47.160 302 reports. That's right. And he's an eyewitness. He's not a hearsay, right? Isn't it like, I heard

00:30:52.660 this when I was in the coffee clutch at the, at the house office building, he attends the meeting where

00:30:57.920 the instructions are given. He heard the order be given. That's right. And that is called eyewitness

00:31:02.900 testimony. It's often considered credible testimony if you're an eyewitness. And as I said, one of the

00:31:08.200 things that we do know that the FBI did early on was they went to see, did leaks like this occur,

00:31:14.120 right? Was this guy clairvoyant and knew leaks were going to occur and making it up? Or did the leaks

00:31:18.620 actually occur? And they do see those leaks occurring. And I think that when you, yeah, that's the,

00:31:24.360 I think that's what's so troubling here, which is there's a moment where Adam Schiff, you mentioned

00:31:29.080 the famous moment where after Russia collusion has been completely destroyed, he goes, I'm willing

00:31:34.860 to see Russia collusion. You just got to be willing to see it, right? It's there. You got to be willing

00:31:38.340 to see it. In this case, the justice department is there's leaks here, but we're not willing to see

00:31:42.800 the leaks. I think that that's the mentality. And that's what gives so many people the belief that

00:31:47.320 we have a dual system of justice. You can take the same type of evidence and look at it two different

00:31:51.800 ways, depending on which way the political winds are blowing. And that's not blind justice. And I

00:31:56.740 think that's what troubles so many people in our system today. Your reporting gives a little bit

00:32:02.500 more color, thanks to this whistleblower, on why Adam Schiff was so ticked off and why he was really

00:32:11.920 thrilled, reportedly, or according to the whistleblower, allegedly, to leak this stuff about

00:32:18.080 Trump to the media. And that was, you report based on the August 2017 whistleblower interview with the

00:32:24.880 FBI, that Schiff believed he was going to be CIA director if Hillary had won. And he really wanted

00:32:33.520 that job. So he had, he was sour grapes, basically. He was ticked off that she didn't win and he didn't

00:32:40.140 get this cush cool job. Yeah. So what you see in, when you take the four interviews together,

00:32:47.180 is that Schiff didn't get the CIA job. By the way, you can go back in history and look at open media,

00:32:53.360 open source media reports in 16. And Schiff was mentioned as being on the shortlist for

00:32:57.420 a senior intelligence post. So this guy's story has got corroborability just in the open record

00:33:02.920 source of the time. And then Schiff wants vengeance, right? He wants either a criminal indictment of

00:33:09.220 President Trump or a select committee, something like the Watergate Committee or the 9-11 Committee

00:33:14.060 that he can be a part of. And so the motive is even ascribed to the account based on the

00:33:19.720 conversations he had. Those are troubling things. And, you know, I've said often, when I was a young

00:33:26.100 journalist and I was finishing up my degree at Marquette University, I was lucky enough

00:33:30.300 to study Senator Joe McCarthy. And I've often said what I learned by going through those documents

00:33:36.620 and writing my thesis in my senior year is that the parallels between Joe McCarthy and his Red

00:33:41.460 Scare in the 1950s and what Adam Schiff did 40 years later, or 50 years later, very similar.

00:33:49.180 You create the illusion of things without knowing whether they're true or not. You use leaks,

00:33:54.300 you use rhetoric, and you fool the American people into believing something that may not be there.

00:33:59.660 Now, in the case of Joe McCarthy, there was some actual communist infiltration of government.

00:34:03.580 So he may have had a little bit more in his trickery to corroborate what he was saying. But

00:34:09.160 when you get to Adam Schiff, he is selling a sizzle of nothing. There is no stake on the grill

00:34:14.540 behind his sizzle. We know that now. And yet he has paid no consequence for taking this country through

00:34:21.980 three and four years of torment. None. He's been elevated to Senator. That's what his party does when

00:34:27.420 you behave like he did. You fail up. Okay. You fail up.

00:34:29.420 And now I correct myself again, because the report, the IG report does question this whistleblowers.

00:34:35.100 I don't know if it's your whistleblower, but it does say something about credit.

00:34:37.900 We don't know. Yeah, it sounds like it could be.

00:34:39.500 For the two members of Congress, the one additional piece of information was that a Congressional

00:34:43.220 Committee employee, later determined by the Department of Justice to have little support for

00:34:48.100 their contentions and to be of uncertain credibility, had identified them to investigators as

00:34:53.960 potential leakers, but without providing any evidentiary support for the claim. Now, we don't know what that

00:34:58.280 means. We don't know whether it's the same guy and we don't know what they mean to be of uncertain

00:35:02.260 credibility. All of that needs to be investigated and fleshed out. And, you know, it's very simple.

00:35:07.520 Go to the other people on the committee and ask whether they were there. I mean, ask him who was

00:35:11.860 present when the order was given and then go to the other members of the committee and ask that.

00:35:15.880 It doesn't seem like that was done because that would have been in the inspector general's report.

00:35:19.980 That's a very simple thing. The question is, why wouldn't they have done it? And this whistleblower's

00:35:24.400 allegations are so detailed. He goes on, he's got the thing about how Schiff would have been offered

00:35:29.760 the position of CIA. He talks about a February 13th, 2017 meeting with the House Select Committee

00:35:36.100 on Intelligence where the staff director and general counsel advised the minority staff, which would

00:35:41.640 have been the Dems, that he wanted to drive the Russian involvement issue into a joint inquiry similar

00:35:48.860 to the 9-11 commission. This is before we had Mueller, right? This is like, okay, you know,

00:35:54.140 this is Trump's taking office and we got to drive this into the news. We got to make this such a big

00:35:58.560 deal that the FBI writes that they wanted to make the information public and use the media to compel

00:36:04.800 public opinion to bring about the joint inquiry and went on to say that they were so ticked off,

00:36:12.000 they couldn't believe that Trump won. They viewed it as a constitutional crisis and that by February of 17,

00:36:17.740 quote, all hell broke loose. So all of that is from the whistleblower. Yeah, you go.

00:36:24.560 Let me tell you what the inspector general could have done rather than put that pithy little thing

00:36:29.180 that he was of uncertain reliability. He talks about the February 13th meeting, right? On February 15th,

00:36:35.860 Adam Schiff tweets out about Mike Flynn. You can go back and look at this tweet. So exactly what

00:36:40.580 this guy says is happening in the meeting starts to play out in public. Adam Schiff tweets out about

00:36:46.020 Flynn. On the 16th, the Washington Post writes a story about Mike Flynn off of classified intercepts

00:36:51.640 about saying that Mike Flynn may have lied about his contacts with the Russian ambassador. By the way,

00:36:59.580 when that was finally investigated, it turns out he didn't lie about it. But those things are being

00:37:04.280 leaked exactly in the public realm right after this whistleblower says, disguise what happens in the

00:37:10.040 meeting. That looks like pretty credible information. What's really disturbing? Now,

00:37:14.700 we don't know. That's one thing I don't know, because we don't know names. We don't know if

00:37:18.700 the IG whistleblower and this whistleblower are the same or different. But when you take a look at

00:37:23.640 what's in the public record, there is the meeting on the 13th. There's a tweet from Schiff that seems

00:37:28.700 to propel the Flynn thing. There's a leak to the Washington Post the next day. And then it carries

00:37:34.980 on from there. Fan the flames. Fan the flames. Let's get a 9-11 type inquiry into Russia, Russia,

00:37:41.480 Russia. This is all part of the plot to ruin Trump's first term.

00:37:45.640 Yeah. Yeah. And Adam Schiff clearly does a lot of the things that this

00:37:48.780 whistleblower was projecting. So we don't know yet. But some basic reporting, just looking at the

00:37:55.920 timetable like I did this morning as I continue working on this, you can see these things happening

00:38:01.120 just as he predicted. So there is some credence to what he has. And when you say he had no evidence

00:38:06.120 to back it up, if he's in the witness, if he witnesses as an eyewitness what happened,

00:38:11.520 that's often considered prima facie evidence of the Justice Department rules of evidence.

00:38:15.500 So that's an odd description. It's an odd description for the IG to use if he's referring

00:38:19.780 to the same guy. And we don't know that.

00:38:21.680 And where does Swalwell come in? Because his name gets mentioned here, but the focus seems to be

00:38:28.560 mostly on Adam Schiff. But we also know that when the Justice Department was looking into who the

00:38:34.980 leakers were, they subpoenaed Apple for data from the accounts of Adam Schiff and Eric Swalwell of

00:38:41.560 California while investigating the classified leaks. So clearly, GOJ was looking at those two.

00:38:47.560 No doubt, probably because of what this gentleman said. So if it is the same whistleblower as the IG

00:38:52.840 is referring to, the information on Eric Swalwell is much more secondhand, which is staffers

00:38:59.560 basically told him that Swalwell was known to be a leaker of classified information. In fairness to

00:39:04.760 the congressman, that's not proof, right? That's called hearsay evidence. It wouldn't make it into

00:39:08.580 court. But it's part of the reason. But one of the interesting things when you subpoena Adam Schiff

00:39:13.820 or Swalwell's records is, the whistleblower is very clear that Schiff himself doesn't do the

00:39:21.020 leaking. He instructs the staffers downstream from him to do that. And he says he himself was

00:39:26.460 specifically asked to leak information, which he was uncomfortable about. So it is odd. You look at

00:39:30.780 the lawmaker and say, well, they didn't talk to the reporters, okay. But that's not what the

00:39:34.160 allegation is, right? The allegation is they had a meeting and they had people downstream from them do

00:39:38.220 the deeds. And I think that that's something again. Which is how it would work. I mean,

00:39:42.400 I can speak to that personally as a reporter who receives leaks. It's very rare you get the actual

00:39:46.880 principal calling you to leak something dirty. They have their chief of staff do it or they have

00:39:51.420 their comms person do it. All right. Last question. President Biden pardoned Adam Schiff at the end of

00:39:57.400 his term. But unlike the one he gave to Hunter, it was a limited pardon. And it only spoke to J6 and his

00:40:06.240 work on the January 6th select committee. So it would not immunize him from any of the claims you

00:40:12.640 and I are discussing right now, right? That's correct. At least according to the legal experts

00:40:17.940 I've talked to, he's only immunized for what he did related from January 6th forward of 2021.

00:40:23.580 So these things occurred in 17 and 18. You've got the mortgage issue, which is also based on our

00:40:27.860 reporting, a story we broke last October on the accounting two houses as his primary residence to get

00:40:33.100 better mortgage deals. Those would fall outside of the pardon, according to the legal experts who've

00:40:38.340 looked at it. And I suspect if those get to the case of criminality at some point, that there may

00:40:43.980 be some legal challenges trying to test that pardon's longevity or breath. And I think that is, you know,

00:40:49.640 one of the many fights that might be ahead if the Justice Department does something here.

00:40:54.600 John Solomon, Just the News, you're crushing it. We will be refreshing all day to see your next

00:40:59.440 report today. Thank you so much. Thanks, Megan. Appreciate you. Okay. When we come back,

00:41:04.140 Andrew Klavan is here and I'm going to play you a soundbite of what the vice president is saying now

00:41:08.280 about retribution when it comes to the lawfare. It's as explicit as I've heard from him and we'll

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00:42:32.880 Walmart, CVS, and Walgreens. Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show. Joining me now, Andrew Klavan. He is

00:42:41.400 the host of The Andrew Klavan Show on The Daily Wire and author of After That, The Dark, the latest of

00:42:48.760 his Cameron Winter mystery series. Andrew says this is the best one yet, and he doesn't say that about

00:42:53.760 every single one, so buy this one for sure. Welcome back to the show, Andrew. Great to have you. So I

00:42:58.860 know you've been listening to this extraordinary news. The summary of it is that we now have whistleblower

00:43:06.360 interview transcripts from the FBI. They're not exactly transcripts. They're FBI write-ups of the

00:43:13.600 interviews that they conducted with a whistleblower who's a self-described Democrat working for the

00:43:19.320 Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee, who worked for them, by the way, for 10 years,

00:43:25.220 who says that he was there in 17 when he heard Adam Schiff say, we are going to leak classified

00:43:34.780 documents and intel to the media with the hopes of getting Donald Trump indicted for his alleged

00:43:43.280 collusion with Russia, that this man went over and over. And as Jonathan Turley put it in his write-up,

00:43:49.820 while this is only the unverified allegation of a single former staffer, the alleged conduct would

00:43:56.120 involve criminal and unethical conduct of the highest order, if proven. Your reaction to this news?

00:44:03.400 Well, in keeping with my opinion of Adam Schiff, I've been calling him McCarthyite ever since he

00:44:10.300 started in on Trump. And as John pointed out, McCarthy at least had some communists in the

00:44:15.260 government that he was talking about, although he was irresponsible. Adam Schiff repeatedly came out

00:44:20.140 and said, I have seen documents that indict, that link Trump to Russia, but oh, I can't reveal them to

00:44:26.160 you now, but just you wait, I'm going to reveal them. And of course, we know they weren't there.

00:44:30.220 We know there was nothing there. Now we have this information from the whistleblower. My favorite

00:44:34.000 part of which is when the whistleblower says he objected to the illegality of this, they assured

00:44:39.320 him, well, we're not going to get caught. They didn't assure him, well, we're not going to do it

00:44:42.960 because it's illegal. They assured him they were not going to get caught. So this is, to me, Adam Schiff

00:44:47.620 has been one of the most dishonest actors out there. He was absolutely a spearhead in this hoax that

00:44:55.040 Trump had somehow colluded with Russia spearhead to legitimize a steel dossier that was completely

00:45:00.600 ridiculous. And, and I think, you know, I I'm kind of the last person to feel that we should be

00:45:06.180 looking backward, the last person to feel that we should be throwing people in government in jail

00:45:10.640 for things that they did. But this is, this is a situation where somebody should definitely be held

00:45:16.420 accountable. This really did. Hold that thought. Cause that's my next question. I'm going to tee it up

00:45:22.940 with this soundbite from the vice president who gave an interview to the gateway pundit and said

00:45:27.700 as follows. So 15. Well, I think the only thing the far left really responds to is power. The thing

00:45:33.580 that they're actually going to be responsive to is the recognition that there are consequences on

00:45:37.680 the other side. If they get off scot-free, if they're never investigated, if they're never

00:45:41.940 prosecuted when they violated the law, then they're just going to come back and do the exact same thing

00:45:46.240 again. And there are a few different ways, of course. So it's the big tech companies that were

00:45:49.720 censoring conservatives. They've got to know that's not going to be allowed and there are

00:45:53.220 going to be consequences for it. The banks, the president is really preoccupied with this

00:45:57.240 and rightfully so. And of course you've got to pay the lawfare back in kind. You've got to say to

00:46:02.680 the Comeys and the Brennans of the world, of course, you've got to follow the law.

00:46:06.300 You can only prosecute people when they actually broke the law, but we know that a lot of people

00:46:10.280 broke the law in the last administration and they've got to face real justice, not just words,

00:46:15.660 not just getting hauled before a committee in Capitol Hill. If people broke the law,

00:46:20.160 they have to actually be prosecuted for it. Because I think that if they do that,

00:46:23.420 if they know that the consequence for breaking the law is go to jail, then the next generation

00:46:28.320 of Democrats, they're not going to be, they're not going to try the same thing.

00:46:32.920 There it is in that last line, Andrew.

00:46:36.120 Yeah. Yeah. And look, to some degree, this is just simply one of the biggest dirty tricks in

00:46:42.060 American politics. I mean, it always bothers me when people use words like treason or even

00:46:47.000 John Robertson was using espionage. I don't think that's what this was, but I do think it was a

00:46:50.880 dirty trickery. People in the Watergate investigation, which was nothing near this,

00:46:56.540 did go to jail, did do time. And there's no reason that can't happen now.

00:47:01.020 One of the things I find most frustrating is the way that Trump is covered without context

00:47:06.320 again and again. They talk about him looking for retribution, but really it's only justice.

00:47:12.560 You know, it's, it's not retribution. If it's justice, the things that were done to Donald Trump,

00:47:17.180 who remember was Joe Biden's chief political opponent were inexcusable and were reported as

00:47:24.120 if they were legitimate. When he was prosecuted in New York for putting the wrong notation on a check

00:47:30.140 to his lawyer in order to pay off Stormy Daniels, this was turned into a felony because it was

00:47:36.300 somehow, it was somehow election fraud, but it was never stated to, in the, uh, indictment to the

00:47:42.740 jury, how this election fraud was different than just simply running for election.

00:47:47.700 And just if I could just quickly interject about, but it's fine for Letitia James to allegedly

00:47:52.820 incorrectly, it just made a mistake when she applied for her mortgage by saying that her principal

00:47:57.760 residence was down in the South, as opposed to in New York where she's attorney general.

00:48:01.400 That was a mistake. You see that, and we should be forgiving her for that and not prosecuting her.

00:48:07.120 Where was that grace on the Donald Trump documentation of the Stormy Daniels payments?

00:48:12.320 And, and we know that with Donald Trump's crowds at his rallies saying, lock her up,

00:48:17.540 lock her up before he was elected the first time when he was elected, he said, no, we're not going to

00:48:22.060 lock her up because that would be divisive. That was Donald Trump. He showed mercy.

00:48:26.400 He did. He did. He showed, you know, talk about grace. He showed mercy and he showed grace.

00:48:30.460 And he showed an understanding that this is not the way we want our politics to run.

00:48:34.020 Even when it's frustrating, we really do not want former presidents and former, you know,

00:48:39.300 senators being thrown in jail on a regular basis. However, however, at some point,

00:48:44.660 the vice president is right. At some point, these guys respond to nothing but power.

00:48:49.480 They abused the legal system to try and get a Trump. They abused the press to get a Trump.

00:48:55.160 And of course, for me, the greatest villains of all are our media. I mean, this is one of the most,

00:49:03.020 you know, a dirty trick would just be a dirty trick if it weren't for the fact that the media

00:49:07.780 was willing to blow it up and turn it into basically a stated fact. The New York Times gave

00:49:13.480 itself Pulitzer prizes for covering a phantom, for covering something that wasn't there. And when they

00:49:20.460 found out it wasn't there, they had to hold a meeting at the New York Times and say to the young

00:49:24.900 staff there, say, don't worry, we'll get them on racism next time. You know, that is the way the

00:49:29.740 New York Times came to operate it by basically telling the story they wanted to tell regardless

00:49:35.020 of the facts and feeling that the facts were secondary to the story that they wanted to tell

00:49:39.100 openly saying that. So this is dirty trickery, but it's also just a, just a hint of how corrupt

00:49:45.700 our news media has become and what damage it's done to our country. Some of the places,

00:49:51.140 the Washington Post, for instance, are kind of looking at themselves in the mirror and saying,

00:49:55.160 we got to reform a little bit. That would be nice. Some places like the Wall Street Journal,

00:49:59.120 I feel are going further down the wrong road. But ultimately, ultimately, you know, we,

00:50:04.980 when Trump won the election the second time, what you were seeing was the vanquishing of that media.

00:50:10.980 Still, we need a news media and we need a news media that doesn't take sides, that basically

00:50:15.600 reports the news. So I'm in favor of prosecuting certainly a guy like Adam Schiff, who really,

00:50:21.300 really stretched, you know, the boundaries of what he was doing. And if he was leaking classified

00:50:27.000 information to get at Trump, I don't see how that's not a crime. I don't see how he doesn't

00:50:31.780 get prosecuted for that, at least dragged through the mud where he belongs. Yes. And honestly, like I,

00:50:37.240 Swalwell too, I've read enough in these documents to make me very concerned about him.

00:50:40.520 These things are very detailed. You got to go back and read the Just the News reports

00:50:44.120 to the audience members because they're worth your time. Here's one example. So the FBI interviewed

00:50:49.000 the guy in December 2017. And he said that during a September 16 staff meeting, other Democratic

00:50:55.980 staffers revealed they had provided on background information to journalists about their impressions

00:51:01.420 of Russian activity. September 2016, it's already starting. This is right in line with Hillary

00:51:06.420 Clinton's campaign against Trump. They said the mood within the House Select Committee on Intelligence

00:51:12.840 was indescribable after Trump's win. Schiff was particularly upset, as I mentioned, he thought he was

00:51:18.840 going to be Hillary's director of the CIA. They said that the House Select Committee on Intelligence,

00:51:25.020 the minority view, this is again the Dems, that the Democrats viewed the 2016 election

00:51:29.120 as a constitutional crisis, and then talked about a particular leak from the summer of 2017.

00:51:35.540 All right. So this is when summer of 2017, Trump is now in, he's been sworn in, that caused this

00:51:40.560 whistleblower to confront the House Committee on Select Intelligence on this issue. He said that a

00:51:45.940 particularly sensitive document was viewed by a small contingent of staff, as well as Schiff and

00:51:50.660 Swalwell. Within 24 hours, he said the information appeared in the news almost verbatim.

00:51:55.620 The staffer told the FBI it was suspected that Swalwell played a role in the leak. He noted Swalwell

00:52:01.020 previously had been warned to be careful because he had a reputation for leaking. He said the

00:52:05.120 sensitive document was read by the staffers on that committee and by members of Congress in June or early

00:52:10.460 July. Its contents immediately leaked. The staffer told the bureau, the general counsel for some spy

00:52:15.540 agency, then read them the riot act about disclosure. All this behind the scenes with zero consequences.

00:52:22.440 More to come on the opposite side of this break. Andrew Klavan stays with us for the show.

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00:53:30.560 Welcome back to The Megan Kelly Show. Today's show is brought to you by Grand Canyon University.

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00:53:46.840 Show over on The Daily Wire. Andrew, the federal takeover of the D.C. law enforcement was met with

00:53:55.680 applause from the D.C. law enforcement, from the police union, which said things are out of control

00:54:03.960 and we can't handle it by ourselves any longer. Thank you. They're thrilled. But you would not know

00:54:10.000 that if you listened to The New York Times The Daily podcast today, which got into the reaction

00:54:17.760 of local officials to Trump's announcement that he was sending in the National Guard and some federal

00:54:22.960 help. And somehow it escaped their notice that the entire police force is saying we welcome you with

00:54:31.400 open arms. Take a listen here in SOT 6. The president describes the problem that he says he

00:54:38.080 will fix in pretty apocalyptic terms, which is that supposedly street crime and particularly crimes

00:54:45.340 by juveniles is basically making it unsafe for law-abiding citizens to leave their houses.

00:54:53.260 Do we have any sense of how local law enforcement in D.C. has reacted to all of this?

00:54:57.220 Local officials have reacted very negatively to this decision. The mayor of the city has called

00:55:05.720 it unsettling and unprecedented. You know, there's a real resistance and dislike of this approach.

00:55:14.200 You know, the mayor also said military should not be used against our citizens. That is an argument

00:55:19.220 that has existed in American politics since the founding of this country. But obviously she can't

00:55:24.780 stop them from doing it. No mention whatsoever of the police union. Same on NPR, which only casts

00:55:33.280 this in a negative light. Here's a little sampling of how their report sounded this morning, SOT 5.

00:55:38.800 Let's break down that list of people that Trump mentioned. Tell us more about who he seems to be

00:55:43.920 talking about. Well, first, Trump is talking about criminals. And in this case, that often means

00:55:48.580 teenagers, many of them black. Washington has struggled at times with violence caused by young men

00:55:53.400 and boys and some girls riding ATVs, motorcycles and four wheelers. Trump spoke about them at length

00:55:59.180 yesterday. The city's Metropolitan Police Chief, Pamela Smith, was asked about this issue at a

00:56:04.500 separate press conference yesterday. We want young people to be safe in our city. We want them to be

00:56:08.920 able to enjoy the activities of our city. But we're not going to tolerate that kind of criminal activity

00:56:14.020 that we've seen in the past. Now, Michelle Smith says before yesterday's federal takeover of

00:56:18.520 Metropolitan Police by Trump, the city had juvenile curfews and other policies that were working.

00:56:23.860 Again, crime is down here. Experts I've been speaking to says if Trump does as he's threatened

00:56:29.280 here, forcing unhoused people out of Washington, away from families and support networks and their

00:56:34.620 health care, it really could be devastating. And Michelle, that question, where are these people

00:56:38.900 supposed to go? Trump hasn't answered that. He spoke yesterday not just of purging homeless people

00:56:44.000 from Washington. He also said he plans to clear out what he described as the city's slums.

00:56:49.700 I don't know where to begin. Okay, so it's just a bunch of young people on ATVs having a good time.

00:56:56.020 Utter bullshit. The juvenile offenders in crimes against persons over the past four years, fiscal

00:57:03.480 year 2020, this is in D.C. between 100 and 200,000. Fiscal year 2021, up over 200,000.

00:57:13.160 Fiscal year 2022, now we're getting up to almost 400,000. Fiscal year 2023, now we're up over 400,000.

00:57:22.740 Fiscal year 2024, now we're up at almost 500,000. I could go on, right? The capital homicide rate

00:57:30.400 in D.C. is 41 per 100,000. That beats Lima, Peru, Havana, Cuba, Nairobi, Brazil, Lagos, Bogota,

00:57:45.320 Mexico City. I could keep going. And yet these people want to tell us that there's no problem

00:57:51.720 there. It's just a bunch of juveniles riding their ATVs. So fun. Okay, those were crimes against

00:57:57.320 persons I was reading. And secondly, the lamentations over the homeless people. What?

00:58:02.400 They're being separated from their health care? What? And their families? Where are their families?

00:58:07.800 Why are they homeless if they have such great families that they cannot be separated from, Andrew?

00:58:12.780 You know, when you say that you don't know where to begin, that's exactly my feeling, too. Because

00:58:16.520 whether you take the open borders, whether you take the homeless encampments, whether you take the

00:58:20.860 crime, nobody ever seems to ask, what good is this for ordinary, hardworking Americans? People who do

00:58:26.620 the things that are Americans supposed to do, who go to jobs, keep homes, who have children and raise

00:58:31.400 their children. How is this helping those Americans? That to me seems the only question. That to me seems

00:58:37.100 government's primary job is protecting the productive, decent, law-abiding people of their country.

00:58:44.060 So when it comes to crime, most frustrating about this is the reports that crime is dropping. Well,

00:58:50.300 crime is dropping from its pandemic heights. There's no question about that. But last year,

00:58:55.880 the murder rate in D.C. I think was the fourth highest in the nation. And so they're saying,

00:59:01.140 well, this year it's on pace to be less, but that doesn't mean it will be less. And it'll still be

00:59:06.380 three times. If it keeps on pace, it'll still be three times higher than New York. I don't understand

00:59:11.740 why, you know, the fact that people do not feel safe in the city and they do not feel safe in

00:59:17.280 Washington, D.C. Tom Homan, one of the toughest guys on earth, says he won't go out at night in D.C.

00:59:22.360 without a gun. So that's not the way a city should behave. I do not see why an effort to clean this

00:59:28.380 place up is somehow a bad thing. And it's like when there was inflation and the press was telling people

00:59:34.500 there was not inflation. Inflation is not so bad as if people didn't know whether they could put food

00:59:39.320 on their table or take their kids on vacation as if somehow they were, you know, deluded about what

00:59:45.260 was happening in their own home. People are deluded. People are not deluded about being afraid to walk

00:59:50.220 in the streets of Washington, D.C. So exactly like that. And they were saying the same thing about

00:59:55.700 the crime rate. Remember, Rachel Maddow was like after the State of the Union or whatever we call

00:59:59.260 that first address by Trump. She was like, oh, crime is down. It's the FBI saying it's down at record

01:00:05.200 levels. And meanwhile, people are like, no, we don't feel that. And that turned out to be bullshit

01:00:09.000 anyway. But this is like a Democrat thing now. Like, don't believe your lying eyes. Believe me.

01:00:15.520 Believe what I am telling you is real. And meanwhile, you've got all these D.C. people coming forward.

01:00:19.880 The police union says they're happy. Even the mayor has who's getting along with Trump. Those two get

01:00:25.940 along. She said, you know what, we could kind of use the help. She is so far refusing to go along

01:00:31.980 with her party's claims of this is a catastrophe, saying this actually isn't so bad. She said,

01:00:38.140 you know, a lot of people don't feel safe. She says, it doesn't matter if crime has gone down,

01:00:43.780 if you were a victim. The fact that we have more law enforcement and presence in neighborhoods,

01:00:47.860 that may be positive. That's the D.C. mayor. So she's not going along with this nonsense.

01:00:53.320 Here, this is one of my favorite soundbites. She's a friend of mine, Kira Phillips. She works for ABC

01:00:58.680 and she's married to John Roberts over at Fox. And listen to what she said on the air yesterday.

01:01:05.300 SOT 11. We've been talking so much about the numbers and yeah, usually that's how you play

01:01:10.780 devil's advocate as you talk about, oh, well, stats say crime is down. However, I can tell you

01:01:15.780 firsthand here in downtown D.C. where we work right here around our bureau, just in the past six months,

01:01:22.620 you know, there were two people shot. One person died literally two blocks down here from the bureau.

01:01:27.080 Uh, it was within the last two years that I actually was jumped walking just two blocks down

01:01:33.320 from here. And then just this morning, one of my coworkers said her car was stolen, uh, a block

01:01:39.760 away from the bureau. So we can talk about the numbers, uh, going down, but crime is happening

01:01:46.920 every single day because we're all experiencing it firsthand while working and living down here.

01:01:52.760 Good for her. She's a straight shooter and always has been your thoughts on it.

01:01:58.140 Yeah. Well, they're always dismissing things like that as anecdotal evidence, but the

01:02:01.320 choice is between the evidence that is being given to you by ordinary people and the evidence given to

01:02:07.380 you by a corrupt media. That that's, that's our choice. And I'm going to take the people every

01:02:11.700 single time. I mean, I, I cannot believe, I cannot believe that nobody ever stops and says, well,

01:02:17.400 how is it good to let a guy out on bail, uh, without cash bail? If he's a criminal, how is

01:02:23.080 that good for ordinary people? How does that improve the safety of the city? Why are these

01:02:28.360 people, the ordinary people who do the working and living and paying and dying as, as George Bailey

01:02:33.860 once said, how are they not the priority of government? The reason, the reason, the reason you

01:02:39.680 have a government, the reason you cede power over your life to a government is so they will protect

01:02:45.560 the peace. So they will keep the peace because otherwise it becomes an endless stream of revenge

01:02:51.280 killings, right? You kill somebody in my family, my, my family, kill somebody in yours. That's the

01:02:55.640 reason you impose government. You can go back to the ancient Greek literature. It will tell you that

01:02:59.900 is why you have a government. And when the government says, yeah, we're not going to do that anymore.

01:03:04.300 We're not going to protect you anymore. It essentially loses its legitimacy. The stuff that Trump

01:03:09.360 is saying is so basic. It's such common sense that the fact that they somehow try to make it about

01:03:15.180 Trump, about his personality, about some kind of evil plan he has to dominate the world is, is just

01:03:20.800 absurd. It is absurd. Somehow you literally have people like he's managed to get the Democrats to

01:03:26.540 run around saying we like crime. Crime's good. We're against cleaning it up. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

01:03:32.960 they they're doing all of the stuff they do is like this. We're against men being men and women

01:03:37.520 being women. We're against working people. We're against everything. They have become this little

01:03:42.000 coterie of very elite people. Yeah. We're against the capitalism that has made the world richer and

01:03:47.860 less hungry all over. They're against everything that is has shown itself to be decent. And one of

01:03:53.280 the things that they're constantly doing is telling you that these things don't work. It doesn't work

01:03:57.220 to enforce the law. You know, that doesn't bring down crime. Well, it has. It has ever since Giuliani

01:04:02.140 took over New York in the 90s and brought crime down from a city where I could not walk outside

01:04:08.080 after dark to a city where anybody could stroll around on the streets. The New York Times specifically

01:04:13.460 has been working to unravel the things that Giuliani did. And it has brought crime back.

01:04:20.520 And where does this crime go first? It goes to our most vulnerable people. It goes to the people who

01:04:25.060 have less money. It goes to the people who are in less nice neighborhoods. And then it starts spilling

01:04:29.040 out into the wealthier neighborhoods. And that's when people react. And that's what's happening in

01:04:32.800 Washington, D.C. It's spilling out into neighborhoods where the people, the productive

01:04:36.960 people and the wealthier people go. And so the Democrats are really have gotten themselves into

01:04:43.640 a fascinating situation. The only thing they can do is campaign against Trump. The only thing they

01:04:50.160 can do is say, oh, he's loud. He's big. He's evil. Well, and here they're saying he's lying here.

01:04:55.660 Here it's like there's no there's no crime problem or the crime's gone down. It's gone

01:05:00.040 down without acknowledging how high it was. It was at record levels. So, yeah, maybe it's

01:05:04.580 gone down a little. But there's a real question about whether it actually has gone down a little.

01:05:08.400 There is a report out now. A former Michigan congressman made this point on CNN on Monday.

01:05:13.780 We checked it out and it's true. I'll let him tee it up. It's Peter Meher. Take a listen to

01:05:19.580 him. My team will find the sod eight. I think Mayor Bowser may also know that there's an

01:05:25.940 ongoing investigation in her police department over the potentially manipulation of those

01:05:31.060 statistics, that there have been a downclassing of some of the crimes. There's been a massaging

01:05:35.540 of the numbers and the reporting in order to fit them more beneficially into the FBI crime stats.

01:05:41.960 So she may know some things that National Democrats are not paying attention to.

01:05:45.380 Sorry, it's not Meher. It's Meher, but it's spelled Meher. In any event, so Peter Meher says

01:05:52.280 that and he's not wrong. We looked it up. There was a D.C. police commander who was suspended

01:05:59.220 just just in July and accused of changing the crime statistics to make things look safer

01:06:06.600 than they are. They confirmed that Michael Pulliam, commander, was placed on paid administrative

01:06:14.620 leave in mid-May. They said that, let's see, happened a week, blah, blah, blah. The union claims

01:06:21.760 police supervisors in the department manipulate crime data to make it appear violent crime has

01:06:28.600 fallen considerably compared to last year. Pulliam was placed on leave with pay and told he was under

01:06:35.800 investigation for questionable changes to crime data, according to five law enforcement sources

01:06:39.720 familiar with the investigation. Speaking to News 4, the NBC affiliate in Washington, D.C.,

01:06:46.600 a union official said there is a larger trend of manipulating crime statistics in these ways and

01:06:52.780 talk about how when our members respond to the scene of a felony offense, they get there's

01:06:58.040 inevitably a lieutenant or a captain that will show up and direct the lower members to take a report for

01:07:04.740 a lesser offense because they're under pressure to get better crime numbers for the city, which is

01:07:12.720 why, Andrew, the people's experience, it would seem, does not match the stats.

01:07:20.200 Well, that's of course, that's true, but it's also true. Let's step back for just a minute and add

01:07:25.760 the homelessness into this because Trump last month, I think it was, signed an executive order trying to

01:07:32.240 make it easier to get the homeless off the streets. Yeah. Why, why should there be a single homeless

01:07:37.340 encampment in Washington, D.C. or any other city? Why should there be one? There's only reason there

01:07:43.020 is. I mean, these are, this is not a housing problem and it's not, it's not at all a housing

01:07:47.120 problem. Although there are housing problems in the country, this isn't one of them. This is a problem

01:07:51.500 of mental illness and drug use. And one of the most heartbreaking things that's happening in this

01:07:57.500 country is if you took these people off the streets and forced them onto medication, you could

01:08:02.020 probably solve a lot of their problems. You could probably, it's not like the old days where if you

01:08:06.060 have enforced, uh, enforced putting people in asylums, they're going to be living in a snake pit.

01:08:11.880 They could now have a medication that would really help them, but you can't take them off the street.

01:08:17.180 And so what happens is when you get a mentally ill person who then commits a crime, who then goes off

01:08:21.820 on somebody and attack somebody, maybe he's on drugs and he's trying to self-medicate and he attacks

01:08:25.980 somebody. He ends up in prison, which is unbelievable cruelty to put a man in a cage because he's

01:08:32.260 mentally ill. Even if he's committed a crime is just torture. It is torturing people where as if

01:08:37.740 you had put that guy in an asylum against his will, you might've medicated him into some semblance of

01:08:43.400 mental health. Again and again, we have let our cities die because of this fake camp compassion for

01:08:50.320 the odd men out, the people who commit the crimes, the people who have the mental problems,

01:08:55.660 the people who have the drug problems. We say, oh, those poor people, but we don't say poor people

01:09:00.160 about the people who go to work, get up in the morning, who raise their children, who are doing

01:09:04.100 all the things that we need people to do to keep a civil society. So why not have ways of...

01:09:09.440 Why doesn't anybody have any empathy for big balls who got the health kicked out of him,

01:09:12.600 but he fought to save his girlfriend. Um, want to correct one thing when I was giving those

01:09:16.620 stats on juveniles and the increase in the juvenile crime rate, that was USA, not DC. In DC,

01:09:24.360 per the DC policy center, uh, the juvenile arrest rate is significantly higher than the national

01:09:29.120 average with an average of 52 arrests per 1000 children and youth age 10 to 17. That is nearly

01:09:35.360 double the national rate. Uh, they write that while over overall juvenile offending has decreased in

01:09:40.900 some areas, violent crimes, particularly those involving firearms have seen an increase specifically

01:09:45.780 among older juveniles, meaning 15 through 17. It's not just good times on the ATVs. Okay.

01:09:52.460 Which by the way are difficult to get around the DC area anyway, given all of the concrete buildings,

01:09:58.600 but here's, here's where the media went. So they went to, uh, the stats show the crime has decreased,

01:10:05.040 which they already got burned on. Uh, like I said, after Trump's first address to the nation as

01:10:10.020 president in February, they tried to say crime is down. They started the cited FBI stats, which turned

01:10:14.900 out to be bullshit, which we all knew those of us have been watching the crime data knew were

01:10:18.400 bullshit. So they got burned. Now here again, they try to say, no crimes down way down. Okay.

01:10:23.660 Forget that we're the number four in the nation when it comes to homicides. Um, and then they hedge

01:10:28.220 their bets with also you're all racists. Trump is a racist and anybody who wants crime to decrease

01:10:34.180 in a black run city like Washington is racist. Here's a couple of examples. The Associated Press,

01:10:40.340 Trump's Washington police takeover echoes history of racist narratives about urban crime.

01:10:46.180 The new Republic. Trump is taking over DC police because he's a racist thug. Well,

01:10:51.840 you don't have to work hard to understand where they're going with that one. The sub headline is

01:10:55.200 Trump doesn't care about crime. He cares about the fight. Sorry. He cares about the right white people

01:11:01.260 being in charge goes on to say, um, Trump warned other very bad cities, Chicago, LA, New York,

01:11:09.280 Baltimore, Baltimore, Oakland, that after DC, that they would be next. All of these cities have black

01:11:15.420 mayors. We're not going to lose our cities over this said Trump. By the way, this is written by

01:11:19.820 Melissa Jira Grant, a white woman who wrote a book in 2014 called playing the whore, the work

01:11:24.820 of sex work. So you get her politics. She's very worried about Trump being a racist pig because he

01:11:30.900 wants to clean up cities that are run by black mayors. Many of these have predominantly black

01:11:37.840 residents and the nerve of wanting it to be safe for them. You should let the Oakland residents get

01:11:43.640 shot. You should let Baltimoreans suffer. Uh, you should let the people of Chicago get shot

01:11:48.700 on the South side. That's what the non-racist humane thing to do is Andrew.

01:11:54.780 I was, I was listening closely as you were reading that. And I didn't once hear her say

01:11:58.800 that any of this was untrue. I heard her use the word narrative, which is a story,

01:12:03.140 but it doesn't mean it's a lie. All of these things are true. Mostly the phenomenon of white flight

01:12:07.960 is a phenomenon of flight from crime. It's not a phenomenon of flight from black people.

01:12:12.760 I'm, I'm a strong believer. Listen, I believe there are racial differences and things in cultural

01:12:18.060 differences, certainly, but I'm a strong believer on in treating everybody the exact same way.

01:12:23.380 And I think if you do that, you, you basically get a just society. You get people treated for what

01:12:29.760 they do and reacted to according to how they behave and what they do. And if it turns out that

01:12:35.020 more black people end up in jail, so be it. I mean, it's not, you're not putting people in jail

01:12:40.060 for the color of their skin. You're putting them in jail for their crimes. And that's where people

01:12:43.660 who commit crimes belong. I think that the right, the conservatives have got to make a much, much

01:12:49.600 stronger pitch for this attitude, have got to reject all racial narratives. I think, look,

01:12:55.200 there's no such thing as a noble lie, but there is such a thing as a workable fiction. And one of the

01:12:59.220 things that we should work with is treating Americans like Americans. That's it. That's it. You're here.

01:13:04.580 You're an American. Great. Now obey the law and try and behave in public and try not to throw litter

01:13:10.460 on the streets and you'll do fine. Go to your job, make your money, raise your kids, and you'll be

01:13:15.240 fine. That should be the only way that we can approach these things. And every time I hear the

01:13:20.220 phrase black or white in a pejorative sense, that this narrative is not a fair narrative because

01:13:25.520 someone is black or because someone is white, I just reject it out of hand. And I think we should do

01:13:30.020 this with crime as well. There is absolutely no reason why people of all colors can't obey the

01:13:35.880 law. And it's infuriating, you know, when you go back for the board for border crossing and people say,

01:13:42.140 oh, these poor immigrants, they're just looking for a better life. I get it. It's not like I don't feel

01:13:46.740 for people. It is simply that the law is the law. If you want to change the laws, change the laws as long

01:13:51.760 as long as they are in place, people should obey them. And it's absolutely infuriating. And it's

01:13:59.020 worse for black people than it is for anybody else to somehow exempt them from the laws that we all

01:14:06.020 have to follow to somehow say, well, yes, you know, you hit a guy over the head and took his watch,

01:14:10.620 but you're black. Therefore, you don't have to have bail. And if you never come back to court,

01:14:14.440 there's nothing we can do about it. These are bad things to do to a society, but they're worse for the

01:14:19.800 lowest people, for the people who are most vulnerable. Whose neighborhood does that crime

01:14:25.140 affect most? It's just amazing how the left's version of compassion is anything but compassionate.

01:14:32.300 I mean, it simply spreads the cruelty. It allows the cruelty to spread. And I just cannot stand,

01:14:37.660 I cannot stand it when we're talking about criminality, when we're talking about people

01:14:41.880 not obeying the law, when either bigots who don't like black people and say, oh, the black people are

01:14:46.500 inherently criminal, which I think is absurd, or on the left saying, well, they're black, so you're

01:14:52.200 not allowed to accuse them of committing crimes. To me, racism just makes people stupid. It makes

01:14:57.400 them say stupid things. Or of being incompetent mayors or governors.

01:15:00.160 Or incompetent mayors or governors. You know, judging people by their race just makes people stupid.

01:15:06.860 It is not, it's not that there aren't different cultures. It's not that there might not be some

01:15:10.800 racial traits, but judging people by their race makes people stupid, makes them say stupid things,

01:15:15.880 and makes for the worst possible policy.

01:15:18.040 Well, it's like New York. I mean, I can speak to this personally as a New Yorker for the past,

01:15:21.600 you know, 14 years, 14 of the past 17. A white man ruined New York. His name was Bill de Blasio.

01:15:29.720 Absolutely ruined it. He's the one who made it unsafe. He is the one who drove all the mom and

01:15:34.880 pa businesses out. He's the one who turned New York into a big Starbucks CVS Citibank,

01:15:41.220 instead of a city with all the charm of local businesses that thrive with, you know, the

01:15:46.760 freshly made baguettes and pizzas and so on, up and down in the small, you know, stores,

01:15:52.000 clothing stores. And so he's the one who ruined it and defunded police and wouldn't back the blue.

01:15:57.920 So that's why we have a terrible city. And we happen to have a black mayor now who used to be

01:16:02.140 a cop, which is one of the reasons he got elected. Any comments Trump has about New York aren't about

01:16:06.540 Eric Adams. It's just lunatic leftists who happen to be, in this case, a white woman who's really

01:16:11.520 worried about the work of sex work, playing the whore. That's who would like to look at his promise

01:16:17.260 to clean up cities like New York next and say it's his racism. And by the way, where has Trump deployed

01:16:23.240 troops prior to Washington, D.C.? The only other city was Los Angeles, which was having,

01:16:29.460 which was launching attacks on ICE agents who were there to arrest people here illegally.

01:16:36.220 And that was a battle, not really between Trump and the mayor, but between Trump and the white

01:16:40.260 male governor lady, Ms. Melissa Jira Grants. So check your weird obsession with race in writing

01:16:52.320 about your story. San Francisco Chronicle saying, by sending troops to D.C. and I in Oakland,

01:16:56.040 Trump continues targeting black-led cities. Author is Sarah Libby, a white woman, and on and on it

01:17:04.180 goes. I'll just give you one other thought on this. Via 7 News D.C., they report that someone put a note

01:17:11.080 on their car window asking for their car not to be broken into a fifth time. The person writes,

01:17:17.480 there is nothing of value in this car, only restaurant supplies and broken dreams. Please don't break the

01:17:23.600 windows for the fifth time. To me, this gets to something bigger that's happening here, Andrew.

01:17:28.760 I've been thinking about it lately because you look at like unhappiness in different pockets of the

01:17:36.660 country. And I do think people, I think they're sick of the cities being in the state that they're in.

01:17:42.600 You know, I think Tucker got mocked when he went to Russia and he went through Moscow and he was like

01:17:47.900 in the grocery store and he was showing how beautiful everything was. He was making a different point,

01:17:53.080 he was just making a point that like there is a commitment here to cleanliness that we have lost

01:18:00.180 in our major cities across America. And he is not wrong about that. You know, I lived in New York.

01:18:07.300 The sanitation situation is abhorrent and it happened under Bill de Blasio, white male Democrat. Okay.

01:18:14.620 Not a black man, not a black woman. Chicago, same thing. I lived in Chicago for five years. You could

01:18:21.380 eat off the sidewalks. It was so clean and well-ordered there when I was there, 95 to 2000 around

01:18:27.040 there. Um, no longer now it's not even safe. Nevermind clean. Um, Baltimore, that's always been

01:18:35.200 a mess. I mean, I lived there too. I lived there for a year and we called it Baltaless and more and

01:18:39.380 more people are calling it that not because it's not a great city and it's got a lot of lovely people,

01:18:43.520 but because they don't maintain it. It's, it's disgusting. Same problem with the crime and the

01:18:48.960 trash. I mean, I lived in a beautiful area called Fells Point and I asked a cop when I moved in there

01:18:54.680 the day I moved in, like, I'm going to make it through this year without getting like raped or

01:18:58.540 mugged or attacked. Right. And he goes, you should like, what, what do you mean? Okay. That's just,

01:19:05.660 this is just, I'm listing a couple, but I've always attributed this to Democrat rule to, you know,

01:19:13.500 the big cities tend to be run by Democrats and have mostly Democrats living in them. And it's just

01:19:19.600 a sad thing that you can't fix from the federal level. It doesn't matter if you get a Trump in

01:19:24.120 there. It doesn't really matter. You have to convince the New Yorkers of the world, the Chicagoans,

01:19:29.160 the San Franciscans to change leadership. And Trump, it's like the first president in my lifetime,

01:19:35.700 who's like, eh, maybe I'm going to get involved. I actually, I might get involved. There might be

01:19:42.500 something I can do. That's going to be harder outside of Washington, which has a specific law

01:19:46.320 that allows the president to do this. And New York and Chicago and Oakland, they don't have that law,

01:19:51.060 but Trump doesn't seem bothered by that. He was intimating either you do it or you're going to hear

01:19:55.620 for me in those cities. And I have to say like, what if he did imagine if we actually did deploy

01:20:01.800 federal troops, many of whom we apparently are able to spare to go in there, start clearing out

01:20:09.380 the homeless. Yes. Bring back institutionalization for the ones who are deeply deranged, which Trump

01:20:14.440 says the federal pay for that. They will direct some of our money there. Um, start doing something

01:20:19.300 potentially about sanitation. I mean, he's, he's talking about just urban decay. That's part of it

01:20:24.480 and turned our greatest cities around to something we actually could be proud of again.

01:20:30.080 Yeah. And, and it's totally doable. It's totally doable. Giuliani did it in New York. I lived in New

01:20:35.480 York during the worst, uh, it's worst times in the seventies and eighties. Seriously, you had to tell

01:20:41.120 your friends not to come and visit you. You had to tell them not to go out at night. I, you know,

01:20:44.980 I saw riots. I saw all kinds of terrible crime just happening right in front of me. And the only person I

01:20:49.940 know who worked the hours that I worked, which was like three in the morning, who didn't get mugged

01:20:54.000 because I would use all kinds of strategies to keep myself safe. And Giuliani came in and cleaned

01:20:59.220 it up. And every single day he was in office, the New York times called him a Nazi, called him a

01:21:03.860 fascist, said he was having black people beaten up by the police. It was all lies. He just actually

01:21:09.420 brought law and order to New York and cleaned it up. The best mayor, seriously, the best mayor

01:21:13.340 New York ever had. Yes. And it's, it's totally doable. You just have to turn it around and think

01:21:18.720 alternatively of San Francisco, a city once of heartbreaking beauty that just descended

01:21:24.520 into chaos and filth and people put up with it. Like the frog being boiled in the pan. They put up

01:21:30.600 with it. It comes on them slowly and they never get the idea that it's all about policy. It doesn't

01:21:36.520 matter if you're black or white. It doesn't matter what your story is. It doesn't matter where you

01:21:40.080 came from. It doesn't matter whether your smile is nice. Like Zoram Mandani, if your policies suck,

01:21:45.160 your city will suck. If your policies suck, your country will suck. And that is exactly what has

01:21:50.440 happened in these cities. It's policy that does this to people. And it's policy that is focused

01:21:55.340 on the criminal and not the victim. It's policy that's focused on the crazy homeless person instead

01:22:01.920 of the person who has to walk to walk, walk to work on those sidewalks. It is policy that is focused

01:22:06.640 not on the law abiding citizen, but on all the outsiders. And that's not compassion. That is, you know,

01:22:12.620 that's, that's kindness to the cruel, which is cruelty to the kind. It is not, it is not

01:22:17.920 compassion to make sure that every crazy person and every criminal and every person who cannot

01:22:23.460 behave himself in public is treated in the nicest possible way. It is compassion to make sure you

01:22:29.380 have a city street that is livable for the people who have to live and do the things that make a society

01:22:35.040 work. That's what we're here for. That's what government is here to protect. It is, has totally lost its

01:22:39.900 way. And I would like to see Trump. I mean, listen, Trump, I think this administration has

01:22:44.440 been absolutely fantastic. I think it is one that may be the greatest administration of my lifetime,

01:22:49.440 but I do sometimes wish that Trump could be a little bit more clear in defending his policies

01:22:55.140 and saying what it is his policies are trying to accomplish. That J.D. Vance does a great job of it,

01:22:59.740 but I think it's just about time we just say like, you know, the majority have rights to,

01:23:04.880 you know, the ordinary people. We don't want to live like this. I like what you said. It's kindness

01:23:09.780 to the cruel, which is cruelty to the kind. It reminded me of something I heard once, which is,

01:23:14.380 you've heard, time heals all wounds, but it also wounds all heals, which also makes us feel better.

01:23:21.400 All right, stand by. I'm going to squeeze in a break. We'll come right back with Andrew Klavan.

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01:25:38.500 Welcome back to the Megan Kelly Show. Back with me now is Andrew Klavan. Uh, so this just hit

01:25:44.100 Andrew, uh, very interesting stat here from the latest poll by the economist, YouGov.

01:25:50.960 Just 12% of Americans found the Sydney Sweeney jeans ad offensive. 12. It's the online left

01:26:00.400 that drove the whole thing. They gave themselves an embarrassingly bad black eye by acting like once

01:26:09.440 again, it was racist and evil and upsetting and about eugenics as opposed to a hot girl looking great

01:26:17.080 in jeans and embarrass themselves, which is why conservatives had such considerable pullback

01:26:23.580 because a pushback because they look like morons. And here is the breakdown. They asked whether they

01:26:30.160 found the advertisement more offensive or more clever. 39% said they found the ad clever. 12% said it was

01:26:36.200 offensive. 48% or 40% said neither. 8% were unsure. Men were significantly more likely than women to find

01:26:43.600 the ad clever. 49 to 31. Women were slightly more likely to find a defense of 17 to seven. The ad

01:26:50.360 performed best among Republicans with 57% finding it clever compared to just 22% of Democrats who are

01:26:56.660 just so uptight and such moral prigs. It's, it's no surprise to anyone. And that brings me, you can

01:27:03.840 comment on the Sydney Sweeney ad too, but I've been meaning to get to this soundbite for two days now.

01:27:08.120 By God, I'm going to do it here. Jennifer Welsh is a progressive and she has a podcast called I've

01:27:18.600 had it and it means with Trump. She weighed in on her feelings about Trump and those who voted for him

01:27:25.400 recently. And here's what she said. It's not 21. I've had it with, um, white people that triple

01:27:33.720 Trumped that have the nerve and the audacity to walk into a Mexican restaurant, a Chinese restaurant,

01:27:44.360 an Indian restaurant, go to perhaps their gay hairdresser. I don't think you should be able to

01:27:51.240 enjoy anything but cracker barrel. And if you want to triple Trump and you want to browbeat DEI and you

01:27:57.440 want to browbeat gay people and you want to browbeat black people as you've been doing for 400 years,

01:28:03.180 and you want to browbeat this generation of immigrants that come over here and open up

01:28:08.220 businesses earnestly, pay their taxes. You want to demonize them and call them rapists and felons

01:28:14.580 and all this shit. When the felon is the teeny weeny mushroom cock piece of shit, Kangol's McTaco tits

01:28:21.480 at the top of the ticket. I have fucking had it from top to bottom. White people that triple Trump

01:28:27.140 should be banned, boycotted from enjoying the best thing that America has to offer, which is

01:28:32.800 multiculturalism. Get your fat asses out of the Mexican restaurant. Get your fat asses over to

01:28:38.060 cracker barrel because nobody wants to see your fucking smug ass, teeny weeny, pink arm, big gut

01:28:46.020 around. Nobody wants to see that shit. No one. She seems happy. I mean, I think I can speak on behalf

01:28:54.020 of all Trumpers when I say we're going to all those restaurants and we're fully enjoying them

01:28:58.240 and you're just going to have to put up with it. Ha ha. Too bad. Suck it, Jennifer.

01:29:03.960 Now, see, I was going to say, if that lady says I can't go to a Chinese restaurant, then by God,

01:29:08.800 you know, I'm not going to a Chinese restaurant. You know, this statistic that you put out, this is the

01:29:14.420 distortion field of social media because so few people are actually on social media and so few of

01:29:21.020 the people who are on social media actually speak about things like this and people share their

01:29:25.860 family photos and they're talking to their friends and all that. But as when you're talking about

01:29:29.900 political social media, you are talking about the smallest slice of the smallest slice of the

01:29:36.160 population. And because of that, the hateful, the angry, the enraged, the people with the stupidest

01:29:41.920 opinions have learned to make themselves a massive presence. So I'm constantly railing against the

01:29:48.440 anti-Semitism that has risen up mostly on the left, but now also on the right. And what they do

01:29:54.120 is the minute you say it, they swarm your feed so that it becomes unpleasant to be there. Now,

01:30:00.320 it's probably about 10 people, each one of them with about 100 different bot names that they do,

01:30:05.600 you know, that they put on so they can make it look like they're a massive force. And then the press

01:30:10.240 starts reporting on it or the podcasters start talking about it and begins to seem like it's an actual

01:30:15.240 thing. It's kind of like the Bolsheviks called themselves the Bolsheviks because it meant the

01:30:19.260 majority. They called themselves that because they were in the minority. And it's not that it's not

01:30:24.280 dangerous because a small minority of loudmouths can take over a country. They can actually force

01:30:30.200 the country by making people think that they are the majority. And that's essentially what's been

01:30:34.640 happening for the last 50 years through the press. But we really do have to remember that when somebody

01:30:39.400 sees a pretty girl selling jeans, which by the way, it's never happened before that anybody has used

01:30:44.820 a lovely woman to sell their product. That's an absolutely original thing.

01:30:48.780 Didn't happen with Brooke Shields.

01:30:50.080 Yeah, never, never ever happened before. But when somebody starts talking about that,

01:30:54.220 you have to remember, it's not just 12%. It's 12 people. It's like 12 people with a lot of bots

01:30:59.460 making a lot of noise. And then, you know, it's a good story. So we all jump on the, you know,

01:31:04.680 I'm just as guilty of this as anybody else. We all jump on the bandwagon and say, what a bunch of

01:31:08.720 idiots. But even that gives them more credibility than they deserve. And all of it has become

01:31:14.480 necessary. And I, Megan, I know I hammer at this. I know it's a hobby. Where's mine? All of it's

01:31:19.280 become necessary because the press represents those 12 people. The media represents that small

01:31:25.700 sliver of a small sliver of a percent that actually magnifies the voices of these people and makes you

01:31:32.880 feel like it's a movement. And that's been their purpose. Their purpose has been to convince 90% of

01:31:37.740 the people that 10% of the people are the majority, that their opinions are the majority.

01:31:43.500 And the interesting thing is, it has actually worked on the left so that they feel like it's

01:31:48.620 a crime when a comedian like Stephen Colbert is fired because his ratings are bad. They feel like,

01:31:54.540 no, no, no, we have a right to dominate every single corporate comedy, you know, workplace in the

01:32:01.340 country. There shouldn't be anybody. If Sydney Sweeney, if her relatives wear a MAGA hat, that

01:32:06.420 is somehow shows you that she should not be allowed to be an actress. And by the way, she's not only very

01:32:11.420 lovely, she's actually a very good actress as well, you know. And so this kind of entitlement that you

01:32:16.900 have, if you listen to their podcasts, it's just amazing because I cover the culture. I like to listen

01:32:22.020 to what the left is saying about culture. There are people on the left who know a lot about culture,

01:32:25.300 but the one thing they don't know about the culture is that they're no longer it.

01:32:30.020 They have lost their high ground on the culture. And now there are new voices coming up. And with

01:32:36.520 the internet and with the new AI ways of making movies and making videos, they're going to dominate

01:32:42.180 very quickly the people who basically have ignored them all these years in Hollywood and in the

01:32:47.540 publishing industry. In the publishing industry now, white men have a hard time publishing novels.

01:32:51.980 It's not going to matter because they'll publish them themselves. In the movie industry,

01:32:56.160 the unions have demanded that you-

01:32:57.740 That's what's happening with Joseph Massey, who we love. He's our favorite poet who got

01:33:01.920 canceled over a bullshit Me Too whole thing. And now he's self-publishing and he's more successful

01:33:07.940 than 99% of the poets out there.

01:33:10.820 Yep. They are way behind the times. It's like people can just do this stuff without the gatekeepers

01:33:15.700 and without even the publishing entities. And so these people need to reform or die,

01:33:19.880 you know, and I don't care which they do really. I mean, I actually, look, I know a lot of people

01:33:24.520 in publishing movies. I hope they reform. I hope they live. I hope their movies come back. But right

01:33:29.620 this minute, right this minute, you have seen the absolute destruction of a monoculture and we're

01:33:35.160 waiting to find out-

01:33:35.900 Wait, I want to ask you about that. I want to ask you about that because this is good for you.

01:33:39.320 Before I do that, I just want to say, to me, this is so interesting because that 12% shows the left

01:33:43.900 has lost all its power, as did Trump's reelection in November. I mean, we're seeing more and more

01:33:47.920 signs of it, but I'm just going to give you a couple of, let me list the entities that wrote

01:33:53.340 very disapproving articles and headlines about the Sydney Sweeney ad. MSNBC, unbridled cultural

01:34:01.020 shift towards whiteness. Vox, unsettling legacy of the blonde bombshell. Yahoo, her ad's been slammed

01:34:07.980 as Nazi propaganda, goes on for her tone-deaf messaging are there, American Eagles. BuzzFeed,

01:34:13.460 same. Boston Globe, the ad went all wrong. Slate, of course, it was always going to come

01:34:19.700 to this. Salon, new campaign draws fire for racial undertones and eugenics. USA Today,

01:34:25.900 this talk about being blonde and blue-eyed feels like a reference to eugenics. Vanity Fair,

01:34:31.500 a sinister message lurking beneath the pun. Entertainment Weekly fretted that the commercial

01:34:35.800 promoted an ideology supporting forced sterilization of marginalized groups. We had experts all over

01:34:42.040 the media talking about it. The Washington Post style section writer went, I mean, I could keep

01:34:45.460 going. That's how the Sydney Sweeney ad became controversial. All these left-wing loons wrote

01:34:54.000 articles about it trying to turn the public on it and they failed. And so this is why I defend the

01:35:01.500 right-wing mocking them because otherwise, as it used to be, they would be the only voices out there

01:35:08.480 and they can. They used to be able to shape public opinion, but you had people like you,

01:35:13.420 people like me out there saying, this is utter nonsense. Stop it. Sit down. It's fine to enjoy

01:35:19.200 this ad. And people do. They went with their natural instincts, which were obviously to enjoy it,

01:35:25.980 at least if you're a Republican or an independent. Okay, but I want to ask you about woke Hollywood.

01:35:30.020 I saved this for you from yesterday. Woke Hollywood may be over. New York Times on Saturday,

01:35:36.820 Hollywood is now hot, horny, and white. It's a guest essay by Sharon Waxman, founder and editor-in-chief

01:35:46.980 and CEO of The Wrap. But this is good news. She writes, the progressive snowflake era of Hollywood

01:35:55.780 has officially melted. She points to a recent deal for a new version of Basic Instinct, where the writer

01:36:01.680 Joe Esterhaus received $2 million for what he calls an anti-woke reboot. This is the guy who did Sliver

01:36:09.000 and Showgirls, Basic Instinct, as I mentioned. And she writes about how, let's see, that Sidney Sweeney

01:36:17.020 controversy has not provoked a backlash among the Hollywood elite, and that queer writers of color

01:36:25.260 are no longer in so much demand, and that no longer are preferred pronouns expected on your email

01:36:32.320 signature. She also points to a new series on Netflix called The Hunting Wives, which has Malin

01:36:39.840 Ackerman dressing up as the saucy Texas wife of a rich businessman, complete with big hair and

01:36:44.780 a big rifle, not to mention a Southern twang, and an affair with the teenage son of a pastor. Nearly

01:36:50.520 everyone in the show is hot, horny, and white. I mean, the point is well taken. She's trying to make

01:36:57.800 the point that that couldn't have gotten made five years ago, and I totally agree with that. And is this

01:37:03.000 potentially a harbinger of things to come? And the fact that Sidney Sweeney is not canceled, nor is

01:37:07.680 American Eagle, nor did they offer an apology? Oh, yeah. No, it's definitely a change. I mean, everybody's

01:37:13.880 calling it a vibe shift, and I think that that's a fair way to describe it. I mean, things have

01:37:18.380 definitely changed, but they're not going to continue to change unless the right also acts.

01:37:23.580 I mean, the right also learns to create and make art and not just complain about art and not just

01:37:28.320 complain about the culture. And part of that, you know, Hollywood is not going to reform itself in

01:37:33.280 any real way unless it has competition, unless there are new studios built, unless there are new

01:37:38.740 methods of distributing arts, and unless new publishing companies come into being. They're not

01:37:44.960 going to reform themselves because they're the same people who were there before. They were cowed

01:37:49.280 before, but they were always in sympathy with being cowed. And these are the people who have created

01:37:54.400 the mess in the first place. And all I would like to see is I would like to see more people on the

01:38:00.640 right fulfill Andrew Breitbart's vision of cultural awareness. You know, we have no one who gives awards

01:38:07.900 to artists. We have no one who writes really knowledgeable reviews about the arts. When you

01:38:13.600 listen, I mean, one of the things that's very frustrating to me is when I listen to Slate, I

01:38:17.280 mean, there's a good example. They are the most culturally sequestered group of people I've ever

01:38:21.980 heard. They have no idea that anybody but themselves exists. And yet they do know a lot about the movies.

01:38:27.920 You know, I listen to them and say, yes, this is a knowledgeable person talking about the movies.

01:38:31.360 Whereas when I listen to people, conservatives, they know what makes them angry. They know what makes

01:38:36.380 them happy, but they don't really know anything about what they're talking about. And so we need

01:38:39.820 an infrastructure for the arts. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's really, it really is a tough world.

01:38:45.740 Having seen it from the inside, having been an artist all my life and worked in Hollywood and

01:38:49.700 worked in publishing, I know that you need people to actually step up and not just support you,

01:38:54.840 but to love you. Artists work for love. They want their work to be loved.

01:38:57.080 I'm sure. I think conservatives, I mean, maybe many feel as I do, which is like that whole industry

01:39:01.940 hates me and my belief system. So I'm really not, I don't want to get neck deep in their world.

01:39:06.000 I do watch movies, not so much as, you know, the past few years, but yeah, like growing up,

01:39:10.780 I'm, I, I consider myself an amateur movie aficionado given all the screens that I was

01:39:15.760 in front of growing up, small and large, different kind than we have today. But I, I know, I, I agree

01:39:20.420 with you because I think most conservatives have turned on Hollywood and their product.

01:39:23.920 Yeah. And you know, I was, I was recently at a Broadway play and Pat, the house was packed

01:39:28.760 and there was a line in the play about standing up to fascism. And it was just kind of a throwaway

01:39:33.780 line. And the audience erupted with applause. And I turned to my wife and I said, the reason

01:39:37.800 they're applauding is they think they're living under fascism. They think Trump is a fascist.

01:39:42.060 Every single person, except I saw Jesse Waters was in the audience too. So I'm going to accept him

01:39:47.220 and me. Every single person in that theater thought that they were living under fascism.

01:39:51.480 And until the right shows up for the arts, until they make themselves, not just artists,

01:39:55.940 but also an audience for the arts, you know, it's going to be, it's going to go back to being woke.

01:40:01.360 It's going to go back into the hands, into the monopoly of the left. And it shouldn't,

01:40:05.500 there's nothing inherently leftist about the arts. There's something inherently liberal in

01:40:09.680 the greatest sense of that word in that the arts are sympathetic to all mankind. They accept the

01:40:16.040 other as part of the world. They accept differences and all that stuff, but the art is not, arts are not

01:40:22.160 leftist and they have been dominated by the left and they've been killed by the left. I mean,

01:40:25.920 think about the last five years. Think about how few good movies there have been. Think about how few

01:40:30.400 good television shows. There have been almost no good novels at all. If, if yours truly wasn't

01:40:35.900 writing them. But, but I think that this is something that, that killed the arts, that kind

01:40:42.100 of idea ideological lockstep that you had to say certain things that you couldn't believe other

01:40:47.600 things that you couldn't have a hero who basically stood up against the monoculture that is broken.

01:40:53.860 We've shattered it. There's no question about it. It is lying in dust and rubble on the battlefield.

01:40:58.320 The question now is, will we move in to start to create things? And this is going to take money.

01:41:03.240 It's going to take people who are aware. It's going to take people who are alert. And it's going to

01:41:06.440 take creative people who have been blacklisted from these businesses. You know, when you close the

01:41:12.380 door, when you slam the door on people for 50 years, which is essentially what's happened. And then

01:41:16.940 you open it. It's not like people are going to be waiting outside online, waiting to get in. You've got to

01:41:21.620 nurture them. You've got to bring them back. You know, artists are, are hard to make and they're hard to

01:41:25.920 keep and they're hard to nurture into success. And we've got to start doing that. We've got to start

01:41:31.180 caring about it. I've been making this speech for 20 years. Things have gotten better over that time,

01:41:36.220 but not quite good enough because this is the moment. This is the moment. And the field is open

01:41:40.880 because we've got all these new things, all these new ways of making art in our houses without going to

01:41:46.900 the gatekeepers and without going to the studios and the big manufacturers of art. It's a beautiful

01:41:52.600 moment. I'm really excited about it. I think it's going to go great, but I think we have to be alert

01:41:56.180 to it. We need less Emilia Perez and more porkies. We need a little lowbrow, like red-blooded American

01:42:07.600 male humor. And we need to bring back like the John Hughes type films. That's, that's my pitch for

01:42:12.740 the next gen. Uh, what a pleasure. And everybody needs speaking of improving our culture on the right

01:42:17.380 need to read Andrew's new book. It's called After That, The Dark. There is a reason why he is an

01:42:22.860 award-winning writer, both for the screen and the written page. And he's our friend. So we want to

01:42:27.340 support him because he will not be getting booked on Good Morning America because his views are just

01:42:32.440 too offensive where they're still pretending that over there. So buy the book, both to support Andrew

01:42:36.900 and because it's great. After That, The Dark. Thank you so much for being here, my friend.

01:42:41.440 Thanks a lot, Megan. It's great to see you.

01:42:42.700 All right. We're back tomorrow with NR Day and Steve Hilton will also be here. We'll see you then.

01:42:50.720 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

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Did Schiff Approve Classified Info Leak, and Leftists Melt Down Over Trump's Plan to Fix DC, with Andrew Klavan and John Solomon

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