The Megyn Kelly Show - Disaffected Young Men, Michelle Obama's Hair Complaints, and Embracing the Right - Charlie Sheen, VDH, and Jack Posobiec at MK Live ｜ Ep. 1199

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00:01:00.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:02.620 Live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.520 Hello, beautiful people.

00:01:15.280 Oh, it's so good to be with you.

00:01:17.540 Oh, I love you.

00:01:21.560 Oh, my gosh.

00:01:22.580 It's so good.

00:01:23.540 I love you guys so much.

00:01:25.500 Thank you for standing out in the rain and the kind of cold for California weather to come and be with me.

00:01:32.120 Sit down.

00:01:32.520 Sit down.

00:01:32.840 Please enjoy.

00:01:34.620 We love you.

00:01:35.680 Oh, my gosh.

00:01:39.880 Let me tell you something.

00:01:40.860 Everybody's been asking me, like, so how are you feeling on the tour?

00:01:43.480 Like, how's it going?

00:01:44.300 And I keep saying the same thing.

00:01:46.040 I'm enjoying it so much more than I even thought I would.

00:01:49.980 Seeing you guys connecting with you here like this, it does feel like church to me, only better.

00:01:56.480 You know?

00:01:57.580 I love my priest, but we've got to work on the homilies a little.

00:01:59.960 Well, it's just so uplifting.

00:02:02.720 And you know what?

00:02:03.560 Maybe you guys can feel it.

00:02:05.500 Watching that video kind of reminds me.

00:02:07.580 It was so much more fun when we were running to be in power, wasn't it?

00:02:13.940 Now that, like, Trump's a year into governing and the right is fracturing, it's kind of like, I don't feel so good.

00:02:21.540 Right?

00:02:22.320 Do you know what I mean?

00:02:23.680 Like, I love that Trump is president.

00:02:25.840 I love what he's doing.

00:02:27.040 But we're starting to get, like, a little divided.

00:02:29.500 The Republicans always turn on each other, right?

00:02:31.560 Always.

00:02:32.120 You can take it to the bank. 0.99

00:02:33.460 Someone always does something stupid, and then we're like, why does he have our team jersey? 0.99

00:02:37.960 Anyway, it happens every single time. 0.98

00:02:40.260 It's almost more fun to be running to get into power than to actually have the power, which will necessarily start dividing people.

00:02:47.480 And I think a lot of us are feeling that right now.

00:02:49.880 And there's sort of internal wars going on within the Republican Party on, you know, things like Israel and so on.

00:02:54.880 It's just, it's like a little stressful.

00:02:56.660 But I think we need to remember it's a blessing to have this problem, right?

00:03:02.040 I mean, we could be looking at a Kamala Harris president right now and think of how depressed we'd be then.

00:03:10.860 That would not be a fun four years in the opposition kind of thing.

00:03:14.700 Like, Joe Biden was so absurd with his comatose presidency that he kind of laughed a little.

00:03:20.560 I mean, it was like a laugh or cry.

00:03:22.120 With her, I think we'd just be in full tears all the time.

00:03:25.180 So, in any event, let's keep that in mind.

00:03:27.840 Let's understand, like, I'm going to be asking Victor Davis Hanson about this tonight.

00:03:31.220 Love, VDH.

00:03:35.120 Mark Halpern was sounding the alarm on, like, if we don't get these numbers up for Trump,

00:03:39.700 especially when it comes to his economy and the approval rating on that, it's going to be a bloodbath.

00:03:44.620 So, we have time.

00:03:46.120 So, we'll ask VDH, who's one of the most brilliant people I've ever met, exactly how the president should do that.

00:03:51.640 And the president does listen to VDH.

00:03:53.560 We know this because he's made it very clear time and time again.

00:03:56.140 So, maybe we'll make a difference tonight in the fate of our country.

00:04:00.100 In a minute, we're going to do some Q&A.

00:04:01.820 But I just wanted to start with this, you guys.

00:04:03.860 As I think you know, we have an amazing lineup.

00:04:08.280 We have Jack Posobiec, who I just adore.

00:04:11.060 We have VDH.

00:04:12.660 We have Charlie Sheen.

00:04:15.640 What a gentleman.

00:04:16.780 Honestly, he was so wonderful meeting a lot of you guys backstage.

00:04:20.500 But as you know, we were supposed to be here tonight with a different Charlie.

00:04:27.700 This was the stop that Charlie Kirk was supposed to join me on.

00:04:31.060 And I'm, like, getting emotional just thinking about it.

00:04:35.980 It's only been two months since we lost him.

00:04:39.540 And he wanted to come here.

00:04:41.500 We would have taken Charlie anywhere, of course.

00:04:43.900 And he said, I'd love to come to Bakersfield.

00:04:47.000 He felt a connection with you guys.

00:04:48.700 He specifically asked for this stop.

00:04:50.680 We said, of course, you know, we'd love to have you.

00:04:54.560 And as you know, we wound up booking Erica Kirk, who's going to come on Saturday.

00:05:00.580 Because she needs to be by her babes. 1.00

00:05:02.520 So we're going to interview her in Glendale.

00:05:04.500 But I can't help, like, every second since we landed in Bakersfield, thinking about Charlie.

00:05:10.140 I know.

00:05:11.000 Yes, he's here.

00:05:12.300 That's right.

00:05:13.900 He's here.

00:05:14.580 And Jake Whitman, who's our great producer, he puts together these amazing, like, long montages for us.

00:05:21.920 Like, he did the With Love, Megan.

00:05:23.600 He did the, he did our trips to space.

00:05:26.860 He's a very talented producer.

00:05:28.740 And he put together just a short tribute to Charlie.

00:05:31.860 So let's watch.

00:05:32.340 This is not just a flash in the pan movement.

00:05:37.140 We're going to become an institution to give them the power and the confidence to stand up and let their voice be heard.

00:05:42.700 You started this when you were 18?

00:05:44.600 Yeah.

00:05:45.020 I had plans to go to college.

00:05:46.900 And instead, I took a gap year.

00:05:49.440 And it's been a gap decade.

00:05:51.440 And it's been the most amazing journey.

00:05:52.920 We, as Christians, are called to go into the public arena to correct error with truth.

00:06:04.220 If someone from the left comes up to the mic, let's treat them with respect.

00:06:07.040 Let's not interrupt or scowl or boo them.

00:06:09.260 Show the left the respect that we don't get on these college campuses.

00:06:12.340 You're making a huge difference, not just in today's voters, but in the next up-and-coming ones.

00:06:17.800 I do feel there's something divine going on.

00:06:20.000 You were chosen for some reason.

00:06:21.220 Well, I'm humbled.

00:06:23.820 I'm far more interested in what God wants of me than what I want from God.

00:06:28.960 They just called it for Pennsylvania, Charlie.

00:06:31.480 Fox just called.

00:06:33.020 This is worth playing.

00:06:34.220 The moment that it was announced that Trump won.

00:06:37.180 Oh, my gosh.

00:06:38.120 I'm getting emotional thinking about it.

00:06:39.960 The media said the turning point could never run a ground game.

00:06:43.640 They weren't experienced.

00:06:44.880 They didn't know Charlie, right?

00:06:46.720 This is the greatest generational realignment since Woodstock.

00:06:50.960 This generation is the most conservative generation that we have seen in well over 50 years.

00:06:56.960 What young people especially are screaming at is they say, give me a structure that I can live my life by.

00:07:05.080 What can I do to save the country?

00:07:07.700 You answer that question every single day because you are doing the work to save this beautiful republic.

00:07:14.460 You are doing something that is bigger than you.

00:07:17.080 If everything completely goes away, how do you want to be remembered?

00:07:23.580 I want to be remembered for courage, for my faith.

00:07:27.540 That would be the most important thing.

00:07:29.040 The most important thing is my faith.

00:07:30.160 God bless you, Charlie.

00:07:44.120 God bless him.

00:07:46.100 Really, God bless him.

00:07:47.180 And God bless all of you for being here tonight in honor of him and to carry forth what was clearly his mission,

00:07:54.420 which was to say the things, to say them no matter how many people object to them,

00:07:59.200 and ideally to say them to those very people.

00:08:02.240 That's going to be all of our mission.

00:08:03.620 There's probably not a lot of people who can't stand the Megyn Kelly show here tonight, right?

00:08:07.260 That this tour is not set up the way the Turning Point tours were,

00:08:10.980 but we all know people who don't feel as we do about these important issues.

00:08:15.420 And it's up to all of us to continue Charlie's legacy of spreading the good word

00:08:19.760 and arguing our points respectfully and lovingly, but forcefully and unapologetically.

00:08:26.460 Anyway, let's kick it off with some Q&A with you guys,

00:08:29.200 and then I'll do some Q&A with our guests on this stage.

00:08:32.760 I'm so happy to be with you.

00:08:34.140 Get on up there.

00:08:37.560 Sit in the front row of your life.

00:08:39.040 It's fine.

00:08:43.020 Oh, thank you.

00:08:44.760 Yeah, it was my birthday two days ago.

00:08:47.060 Happy birthday, Megan.

00:08:47.640 Thank you.

00:08:48.560 My name's Heather.

00:08:49.580 I'm here with my husband, Mike, tonight.

00:08:51.680 Hi.

00:08:53.080 Thank you to you and all of your guests that are regularly on your show

00:08:57.520 for showing us what it's like the difference between a mediocre American citizen

00:09:03.580 and an exceptional American citizen.

00:09:06.580 You are that by far.

00:09:09.980 Thank you.

00:09:11.460 I wanted to give you a hypothetical.

00:09:14.960 J.D. Vance might be our nominee in 2028.

00:09:19.520 And I'm guessing that others are thinking what I'm thinking,

00:09:26.400 but what if he calls you and he says,

00:09:29.540 Megyn Kelly.

00:09:31.740 That's funny.

00:09:32.420 I want you to be my running mate.

00:09:34.480 Heather, you're funny.

00:09:36.740 So I got enough problems in my life.

00:09:39.060 I'll tell you, I always joke that I see myself more like the Queen of England

00:09:47.420 in that, you know how like all these prime ministers, they came and they went.

00:09:52.740 And the Queen was always still there.

00:09:55.000 She had total job security.

00:09:57.020 That's kind of how I see my role.

00:09:59.340 They come and they go.

00:10:00.620 You know, Barack Obama, he used to be kind of a big deal.

00:10:03.060 Now I think I have more people coming on my tour than he could ever get on his.

00:10:06.000 So I like where I am.

00:10:10.080 Hi.

00:10:11.800 Hi, Megyn.

00:10:13.260 Thanks for putting this together.

00:10:15.020 My question relates to something Walter Kern, your friend Walter,

00:10:19.940 and Matt Taibbi recently said,

00:10:22.100 which is that Trump's first administration was essentially curtailed

00:10:29.640 or the left tried to ruin it with this Russia, Russia, Russia,

00:10:34.980 with this idea that the president of the United States, Trump,

00:10:39.460 was subject to a foreign power without any evidence.

00:10:43.940 And their position is that this administration is facing the same thing

00:10:48.800 with Israel, Israel, Israel, subject to a foreign power

00:10:52.880 with really no evidence and fill in the blank with the antisemitism.

00:10:56.840 What do you have to say about that?

00:10:57.940 Well, I mean, I see Trump's 2.0 being clouded by, you know,

00:11:05.740 attempted lawfare for sure when he was running

00:11:08.140 and now by nonstop lawfare challenging every single thing he does.

00:11:14.460 And Epstein is just the latest example of it.

00:11:16.460 You know, this like Epstein, I'm all for like getting the Epstein files out,

00:11:20.760 but it's just taking over now.

00:11:22.220 And it's like, just look what happened these past two weeks.

00:11:24.180 Trump's right when he said it's completely smothered the narrative

00:11:26.860 of how badly the Democrats did in the shutdown.

00:11:29.060 They totally folded.

00:11:30.500 And then what happened like the next day?

00:11:32.120 They switched the story to Epstein as a distraction.

00:11:35.020 And every day Trump's, he gets sued by yet another, you know,

00:11:38.820 Democrat group or Democrat lawmaker to try to stop his agenda.

00:11:43.140 And we have now all these judges at the district court level

00:11:45.620 who are activists and trying to stop his agenda with their robes on.

00:11:50.300 No one elected them to anything.

00:11:51.520 So this is his new battle.

00:11:53.640 And I do see this as sort of Russia 2.0, what's happening at the courts.

00:11:56.260 And that's why I'm like on my knees every morning

00:11:58.200 thanking God for this U.S. Supreme Court.

00:12:00.980 Yeah.

00:12:03.740 Hello.

00:12:05.620 Hi, Megan.

00:12:06.700 We love you so much, first of all.

00:12:09.480 And, you know, we really love you, Candace, Tucker.

00:12:12.840 I feel like I can truly trust you guys.

00:12:15.020 Thank you.

00:12:15.620 And I just wanted to know your opinion

00:12:17.340 on what Candace is saying about the Israeli planes following Erica around.

00:12:23.200 I don't know what that is.

00:12:24.780 I heard something about an Egyptian plane.

00:12:26.600 I didn't hear about an Israeli plane.

00:12:27.980 Yeah.

00:12:28.280 I only saw the headline.

00:12:29.920 And while, you know, I,

00:12:32.040 obviously I know that Candace makes a ton of news. 0.97

00:12:33.960 I confess I don't actually get time to watch her show

00:12:36.300 because I've got my own show and I've got my life and my kids.

00:12:39.800 So forgive me.

00:12:40.580 I don't, I don't know the answer to that.

00:12:42.080 But thank you for asking for the kind words.

00:12:45.700 Terry Maxwell from KNZR.

00:12:47.600 We did an interview a little while ago.

00:12:49.700 Nice.

00:12:49.740 Hi.

00:12:50.120 Yes.

00:12:50.580 Hi.

00:12:51.540 Love your shirt.

00:12:52.700 I got a question about Arctic Frost.

00:12:54.440 And we've had the six people who have come out

00:12:56.560 and really instigated an insurrection with our military.

00:13:01.620 Put your lawyer's hat on.

00:13:02.840 Give us an input as to whether you think anything's going to happen

00:13:05.380 with those two issues.

00:13:07.220 Yeah.

00:13:07.400 Um, you saw these lawmakers, like trying to tell the troops

00:13:11.820 to disobey some random illegal order that hasn't been given.

00:13:15.440 Right.

00:13:15.560 It's like, what, what?

00:13:16.620 I mean, the biggest thing I thought about that was it was an utter fail

00:13:19.200 because I had no idea what they were telling them to disobey.

00:13:21.160 Did you?

00:13:22.040 Like, is it Venezuelan drug, drug boats?

00:13:24.760 Is it like really have no clue?

00:13:27.020 So it was a fail.

00:13:28.480 Um, I don't know that it's going to go any place legally, 0.99

00:13:31.220 but I think everybody should recognize that they're being governed by fools. 1.00

00:13:35.260 Those absolute fools, drama-hungry, drama-queen fools, 1.00

00:13:40.960 especially the horrible Alyssa Slotkin, 1.00

00:13:43.920 who should not be re-elected by the Trump voters who put her in office.

00:13:47.520 She's so proud of herself because she's in Michigan.

00:13:49.680 She's like the same guys who put Trump in office,

00:13:51.440 elected me as a U.S. senator.

00:13:52.920 That was a fail.

00:13:54.000 It's a rare MAGA fail.

00:13:55.760 She needs to be voted out of office as soon as humanly possible, 1.00

00:13:58.420 which unfortunately is not going to be for another few years

00:14:00.180 because she's relatively new.

00:14:01.200 But that's my quick thought on it.

00:14:02.300 Go ahead, sir.

00:14:02.820 Hi.

00:14:03.520 Hi, Megan.

00:14:04.200 I'm Jim.

00:14:05.380 Your best interviews are the ones where you're taking the left on head-to-head.

00:14:09.040 And I'm thinking Jake Tapper.

00:14:10.500 I'm thinking Bill Maher.

00:14:12.020 We love that because you're speaking for us,

00:14:15.040 and we imagine ourselves finally getting to hit the other side

00:14:18.980 right where it hits, and you don't back down.

00:14:21.220 Can you have more interviews like that on your show?

00:14:24.340 Yes, sure.

00:14:24.920 And if they don't go, if the A-listers won't show up,

00:14:27.460 I recommend go to the B-list, go to the C-list,

00:14:29.640 go to a college student who wants to get famous.

00:14:32.220 It's just we want to see the ideas defeated,

00:14:34.840 and you're the one to do it.

00:14:35.820 Oh, I love that.

00:14:36.620 Thank you.

00:14:37.160 You know, I don't do enough of that.

00:14:38.560 You're right.

00:14:39.680 Whenever I have somebody on and we get into it, you know, like whatever.

00:14:42.440 There was a clip of, I think it was Scott Gottlieb on there.

00:14:45.400 Remember him during the COVID lockdowns?

00:14:47.660 He had been in the Trump administration,

00:14:49.520 and he was trying to run around and tell us,

00:14:50.680 as a former Republican, we could trust him when he said masks had to be on our toddlers.

00:14:55.220 Like, that was a fun one.

00:14:57.620 I don't miss him, but I do miss those exchanges.

00:14:59.880 Hello, sir.

00:15:00.740 Hi.

00:15:02.120 Love the jacket.

00:15:03.340 Thank you.

00:15:03.800 It loves you back.

00:15:04.520 It's amazing what you can get at Walmart these days.

00:15:08.500 One serious, one light.

00:15:10.360 How do we stop puberty blockers in kids who are only seven years old?

00:15:14.000 Yeah, right on.

00:15:16.160 We're winning.

00:15:18.040 We're winning, right?

00:15:19.100 I know I'm in the People's Republic of California.

00:15:22.960 But in the other world, we're winning that fight.

00:15:27.000 And I think eventually it's going to have to be handled by the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:15:30.300 It cannot be a state-by-state thing.

00:15:31.900 It's literal child abuse.

00:15:34.080 They're literally sterilizing minors without any possible informed consent.

00:15:40.020 It's barbaric.

00:15:41.000 It's the new lobotomy.

00:15:42.600 And we will look back at this day with shame. 0.98

00:15:45.680 California needs to get on its act because you cannot have these far-left lunatics. 1.00

00:15:51.440 You need Steve Hilton. 0.93

00:15:53.140 That's what you need.

00:15:54.680 And he will help save this state and the children in it.

00:15:57.160 But in the meantime, this is not an issue that we can be silent on.

00:16:00.100 Our children are literally being sterilized.

00:16:02.680 If you cannot speak up for that, you are failing in your responsibility as an American citizen,

00:16:07.560 as our first questioner said.

00:16:09.200 So, your second one, quickly.

00:16:11.180 What's your favorite Elvis song?

00:16:13.120 Oh.

00:16:14.140 Hound Dog?

00:16:15.820 Which I think was one of his first.

00:16:17.780 Thank you.

00:16:20.940 Hi, Megan.

00:16:21.700 I'm Connor.

00:16:22.580 I'm Chloe.

00:16:23.460 Hi.

00:16:23.800 And I've heard you speak about the Epstein Files.

00:16:26.600 And there's a lot of young people talking about it.

00:16:29.200 And I kind of wanted to see how you or what you would say for the young people

00:16:33.260 and trying to bring them in.

00:16:35.500 On Epstein Files?

00:16:36.620 Like to follow the coverage?

00:16:38.800 Yeah.

00:16:39.060 Yes, ma'am.

00:16:40.560 Well, I mean, I think it's very interesting for young people and old,

00:16:43.300 but especially for young people,

00:16:44.400 because I think what's really interesting about the Epstein story for a lot of people is

00:16:48.020 how does our system, those in power, work to protect one another, irrespective of party?

00:16:55.780 How does money and connections and fame and power all work together to get this web of protection across party lines?

00:17:05.680 And who gets screwed over?

00:17:07.860 Right? 0.95

00:17:08.180 Like, because that same web that will work together to protect some very bad guys will work to screw you

00:17:14.020 when it comes to property taxes and other taxes and the way government works and, you know, insider trading in Congress.

00:17:21.540 You know, there are certain things that are so corrupt and disgusting, they cross party lines that leave young people feeling like they can't trust anybody.

00:17:27.620 Which is one of the reasons why Trump came under such pressure to just release the files and sort of did.

00:17:34.360 I mean, I wouldn't put too much stock in what we're about to get from these files,

00:17:40.200 because there's, like, enough exceptions to what Pam Bondi has to produce that you could drive a truck through.

00:17:44.720 So just keep your expectations moderate.

00:17:48.480 And then my last question was, what's, like, one piece of advice that you can give to young conservatives like ourselves

00:17:53.800 to keep bringing more people in?

00:17:55.460 Don't be shy about your values.

00:17:58.700 Don't hide it.

00:18:00.100 You especially need that out here in California.

00:18:02.660 Do not hide it now thinking that, you know, when you graduate high school, when you graduate college,

00:18:06.920 when you get your first job and then leave that first job,

00:18:09.220 then you'll finally be able to tell people about your conservative principles.

00:18:12.020 No.

00:18:12.580 You're seeding the fight.

00:18:13.480 That's exactly what Charlie knew that the rest of us had been missing.

00:18:16.620 Don't seed the fight for young people in particular.

00:18:18.960 Get in there.

00:18:20.060 You can do it better than I can.

00:18:21.180 They'll listen to you more than they'll listen to me.

00:18:23.240 Become an effective messenger.

00:18:24.480 Listen to people who are effective messengers.

00:18:26.800 And learn the arguments so well that you can rattle it off the top of your head with ease.

00:18:31.220 You know, we always said, like, in the law, if I had a longer time, I would have written a shorter brief.

00:18:35.240 And the same thing applies to rhetorical skills.

00:18:38.220 Like, study a lot.

00:18:39.940 Talk a lot.

00:18:40.900 Listen to people who argue well a lot.

00:18:42.920 And then your arguing will get better and more succinct,

00:18:45.080 and you'll be able to do it more effectively with the people who really matter.

00:18:48.300 Thank you.

00:18:51.980 Hi.

00:18:52.460 Hi, Megan.

00:18:53.440 Love you.

00:18:54.080 Love you.

00:18:54.720 Love you.

00:18:54.980 Okay.

00:18:56.080 How do we feel about Tucker having Nick Fuentes on his show?

00:19:01.400 A lot of people want to know that.

00:19:02.640 Did you hear what she said?

00:19:03.680 How do we feel about Tucker having Nick Fuentes on his show?

00:19:07.020 You know, I asked Tucker about it, and my own belief is the reason he did it.

00:19:11.020 This is not from him, but my belief is that the reason he did it was because he wanted to convey to him

00:19:16.880 that it is not conservative to apply collective judgment or punishment to any group of people.

00:19:22.740 And Nick Fuentes does that not only with Jews, but he does it with blacks, he does it with women, he does it with Indians. 0.98

00:19:28.840 I mean, like, there's a whole host of groups that he does it with.

00:19:31.320 And my own belief is that Tucker thought, given Tucker, who's more of an elder statesman now in the party, that he had a shot at reaching Nick Fuentes.

00:19:40.220 And my own belief is that that's also why Tucker did not emerge with Nick Fuentes' jugular, that he thought that would defeat the point, right?

00:19:48.940 Like, if you're trying to reach somebody, how are you going to do that if you put them on the defensive right away?

00:19:52.880 Like, here are all the terrible things you said.

00:19:55.040 And so if you look at it from that standpoint, I think you understand it.

00:19:58.120 Now, do I want to interview Nick?

00:19:59.660 I don't.

00:20:00.760 Not at all.

00:20:01.200 Because if you watch Nick Fuentes, you will hear a lot of really horrible things.

00:20:04.040 And it's very jarring.

00:20:05.160 Like, he's smart.

00:20:06.680 I don't take that away from him.

00:20:07.900 He's got a very compelling way of speaking and, like, delivery.

00:20:11.100 And he's actually made a lot of predictions about what's going to happen in the country politically that are correct.

00:20:15.560 And I don't dismiss the fact that he's very popular, especially with young, disaffected men who we need to be talking to and understanding as opposed to just judging.

00:20:23.800 But if you spend enough time listening to him, you will hear things that will make your eyelids peel back from your...

00:20:29.440 I mean, it's, like, really jarring, upsetting characterizations of Jews and blacks and women and all the things.

00:20:35.520 Not to mention his hatred for Charlie.

00:20:37.900 So, go ahead.

00:20:38.620 But was Tucker a little easy on him?

00:20:41.540 No, I don't think he was.

00:20:42.620 I think he had a different goal than to, like, beat up on him.

00:20:45.140 So, if that were his goal, he'd know how to do it.

00:20:47.280 We saw him do that with Ted Cruz.

00:20:49.140 Yeah.

00:20:50.160 Hi.

00:20:52.100 Hi there.

00:20:52.800 Thank you for being part of the revival and modeling how to share our voices.

00:20:56.920 I really appreciate it.

00:20:58.760 Two things.

00:20:59.940 Three things, sorry.

00:21:00.580 First question is, when you were a child, what was your favorite name?

00:21:04.160 Maybe just pick one, because the line is long.

00:21:05.700 Okay.

00:21:05.720 Second one is really big to me.

00:21:07.480 Okay.

00:21:07.800 I'm starting to see Islamic coming into California, and I see these girls and women being covered. 0.99

00:21:15.140 How do we legally fight their invasion?

00:21:18.040 And then...

00:21:18.300 That's a good question.

00:21:19.360 Please come to us.

00:21:19.760 Apologies.

00:21:20.300 There's so many people standing behind you.

00:21:22.060 That is a good question.

00:21:23.520 I think the first thing is, we have to be real honest about what we want in our country.

00:21:29.300 And I just think it's fine to say, to be honest about the fact that I don't think Islamic leaders 1.00

00:21:34.860 are appropriate for American cities.

00:21:38.820 Islam is not consistent with the values of the West. 1.00

00:21:41.540 It's just not.

00:21:43.220 Above all, it's a political doctrine.

00:21:45.180 It's not just a religion.

00:21:46.320 It's a political doctrine.

00:21:47.660 And there's no separation of church and state in Islam.

00:21:50.720 They don't respect women's rights in Islam. 0.99

00:21:52.520 They don't respect free speech in Islam. 1.00

00:21:54.900 And while, you know, if that's your thing and you happen to be a Muslim, okay, fine. 0.99

00:21:58.520 But I just don't think this is the place for you to actually obtain a position of political

00:22:02.560 power.

00:22:03.100 And I think we need to be honest about that.

00:22:06.300 Go ahead, ma'am.

00:22:07.620 Hi, I'm Vicky.

00:22:08.660 Hi.

00:22:09.080 There seems to be a lot of concern in the country now about income inequality.

00:22:14.560 I was wondering if you thought there should be any restraints on unfettered capitalism,

00:22:19.420 and if so, what should they be?

00:22:21.720 Thank you for that.

00:22:22.680 I don't think there should be restraints on unfettered capitalism, really.

00:22:25.640 I mean, I think capitalism is the way, and I'm really not pro the communist movement that's

00:22:30.440 taking over places like New York.

00:22:32.960 I don't believe with Zoran Mamdani that we shouldn't have billionaires. 1.00

00:22:36.060 This is the United fucking States of America. 0.99

00:22:38.840 You can come with nothing, and you can wind up a billionaire. 1.00

00:22:43.060 Only here.

00:22:44.380 Only here.

00:22:45.620 It's one of the majesties that is, you know, this country, that there is still, I know

00:22:50.640 a lot of people don't feel it, but there is still the possibility of the American dream.

00:22:54.240 And it's what gives people hope.

00:22:55.660 It's why we have amazing inventors.

00:22:57.360 It's why we invent everything.

00:22:59.060 Like, I went over to Scandinavia a couple years ago.

00:23:00.820 What did they invent?

00:23:01.940 Like, Ozempic.

00:23:02.800 That was good.

00:23:04.180 What else?

00:23:05.200 Right?

00:23:05.480 We do it all because of capitalism and the promise of changing your life.

00:23:09.160 So, I don't think, I understand income inequality, and a whole lot needs to be done to help the

00:23:13.500 bottom up.

00:23:14.660 And I don't mean government handouts, but I mean, like, just the way we're educating people

00:23:17.720 right now in general for one thing.

00:23:19.340 But the answer is not to hurt the people who have made it at the top.

00:23:22.520 All right.

00:23:22.760 We'll take one more, and then we've got to get the show on the road.

00:23:25.380 Hi, Megan.

00:23:26.220 Hi.

00:23:26.460 I am wondering if you've ever taken your kids to see Mount Rushmore in South Dakota.

00:23:31.220 Oh, we have.

00:23:31.860 Yes.

00:23:32.320 Oh, yeah, yeah.

00:23:33.020 We're so glad you can make it.

00:23:33.940 Are you from South Dakota?

00:23:34.640 I am.

00:23:35.260 I drove here all the way from Rapid City to see you.

00:23:37.840 You did?

00:23:38.120 And my favorite cousin, Tammy.

00:23:42.380 I came to see her, too, here in Bakersfield.

00:23:44.720 Nice, Tammy.

00:23:45.440 Thank you for helping get this wonderful lady to us.

00:23:47.620 It's a pleasure to talk to you.

00:23:48.320 We did go to Mount Rushmore, and we saw Crazy Horse, too, which we had never seen.

00:23:52.460 Have you seen the Crazy Horse monument?

00:23:54.760 It's way bigger than Mount Rushmore.

00:23:57.320 It's got this Native American. 0.99

00:23:58.340 It's like, it's stunning display.

00:23:59.900 And we do try to take our kids to places other than the Northeast.

00:24:05.060 You know, we have a place in Montana.

00:24:06.520 We go there many, many weeks a year.

00:24:08.700 We have a little place in the New Jersey Shore where we go in the summer.

00:24:12.200 We're surrounded by firefighters and school teachers.

00:24:15.080 What we really don't want is our kids to grow up spoiled brats who think, you know, everybody's 0.84

00:24:20.160 got a private jet, which, you know, in our town in Connecticut, some people do.

00:24:26.400 And it's very, very important to us that they try to grow up as normal as possible.

00:24:29.680 But I love this story.

00:24:30.520 I've told this before.

00:24:31.060 But we were out in Montana.

00:24:32.280 We were at a rodeo one time.

00:24:34.880 And our little guy, who's 12 now, was probably six.

00:24:38.120 And we're sitting there.

00:24:39.280 And at the beginning of the rodeo in Montana, you know they're going to sing the national

00:24:42.100 anthem.

00:24:43.160 And Thatcher was a little slow to his feet. 0.99

00:24:47.800 And I didn't have to say one word.

00:24:50.360 There was a real cowboy with the hat and the shirt and the jeans.

00:24:55.000 He was like, you better get up, boy.

00:24:58.320 I mean, oh, immediately, I was like, I could do no better.

00:25:01.780 This is my village, right?

00:25:04.320 Anyway, so it is important.

00:25:05.680 We loved Mount Rushmore.

00:25:07.420 It's so worth your time.

00:25:08.420 I love it so much.

00:25:09.160 I'll tell you, there's one thing, and then we'll go.

00:25:11.460 We're having a big Fourth of July celebration this year, as we always do.

00:25:14.320 You know, we bring out our colonial costumes.

00:25:16.300 We reenact the Declaration of Independence.

00:25:18.000 We go full bore.

00:25:18.800 And Abby knows, my assistant knows, the one thing I've always wanted for this celebration

00:25:23.240 but I've never been able to get is a huge paper mache of Mount Rushmore.

00:25:27.820 I want to stuff it in the back of my lawn.

00:25:29.860 You know, how cool would that be to walk around?

00:25:31.840 And then she got back to me.

00:25:33.340 She said, I finally found somebody who can do it.

00:25:34.960 I'm like, great, this is the year.

00:25:36.880 And she shot me an email yesterday saying it will cost $18,000.

00:25:41.000 And I said, it's a no.

00:25:44.200 We'll hire a guy to walk around in like a Lincoln costume.

00:25:47.220 That's the closest we're going to get.

00:25:48.780 Okay, let's go.

00:25:49.620 We want to get on with the show.

00:25:52.300 Thank you, guys.

00:25:53.120 Thanks so much for those great questions.

00:25:55.480 So, my first guest and I actually have a very interesting back history.

00:25:59.320 We used to hate each other.

00:26:01.700 I thought he was crazy.

00:26:03.280 He thought I was crazy.

00:26:04.680 We sniped at each other on Twitter.

00:26:06.820 We did not like each other.

00:26:07.840 We had like surrogates who would snipe at each other about how terrible I was or how terrible he was.

00:26:13.460 And so, the love I have for Jax Posobiec grew naturally, if somewhat slowly, over the years.

00:26:20.240 And you won't be surprised at all to learn the person who ultimately brought us together was Charlie Kirk.

00:26:26.420 So, what happened was, as we got closer to the Trump era, and I became sane again after that ridiculous stint at NBC. 0.91

00:26:34.380 And I started to realize, like, how crazy the left was. 0.56

00:26:38.200 I completely started to understand Trump much better and became a true Trump fan.

00:26:43.480 We kind of started to appreciate each other's Twitter game.

00:26:47.260 You know, I was liking a lot of his stuff.

00:26:48.700 He started to like some of my stuff, too.

00:26:50.120 I thought, oh, my God, we actually might be able to connect this guy and I.

00:26:53.360 We actually might be able to be friends.

00:26:55.500 And then it happened, as it does with so many, that we met backstage at a Turning Point event.

00:27:01.040 And we hugged.

00:27:03.420 And Charlie was right there, and I knew that a friendship had been born.

00:27:06.820 And now he has my back all the time on X, and I have his, too.

00:27:09.600 And I follow him religiously because he posts so many pearls of wisdom that I learn from all the time,

00:27:14.700 which doesn't surprise me because he was in the Navy, he served his country with honor,

00:27:19.800 and he's been fighting for his country in a different way ever since.

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00:28:41.780 We're not at a good time in this country.

00:28:44.040 You need to take a stand and you need to pick a side now.

00:28:46.940 Doing the normie thing of sitting around and thinking things are going to get better, they're not.

00:28:53.060 They're not going to get better on their own.

00:28:55.500 To the world, Charlie Kirk was conservative firebrand, hero, cultural icon.

00:29:02.020 But to me, he was my friend.

00:29:03.500 For Charlie's sacrifice for all of us, we will overcome their evil.

00:29:11.000 The bullets are only going in one direction in this country.

00:29:14.940 You know what you didn't see?

00:29:16.060 You didn't see violence.

00:29:17.140 You didn't see a single person raise a fist in anger.

00:29:19.560 You didn't see a single person on the right come out and say,

00:29:21.900 I'm going to go do something violent in retaliation for Charlie Kirk.

00:29:24.580 It just didn't happen because we are not those people.

00:29:28.240 Stop being the silent majority.

00:29:30.820 You've got to speak out now.

00:29:32.580 And we will never, ever let them forget the name Charlie Kirk.

00:29:47.000 Yay! 0.99

00:29:47.520 I think it's a fun story because we overcame it, you know?

00:30:05.200 We did overcome it.

00:30:06.140 Thanks to Charlie.

00:30:06.800 She had to tell the story.

00:30:07.800 She had to put me on blast, didn't she?

00:30:09.180 But, I mean, maybe you have a relationship like that in your life where you feel like,

00:30:13.580 oh, no, no, we don't like each other.

00:30:14.660 There's no way forward.

00:30:15.600 Maybe there is.

00:30:16.320 Maybe you can find just a couple of lily pads, as I like to say, where you can jump on together.

00:30:19.880 And then before you know it, you're swimming in the pond.

00:30:22.200 But you know what?

00:30:22.720 That was what, that's what Charlie did.

00:30:25.200 And Charlie did that all throughout the movement.

00:30:27.580 And we see so much, even right now, there's a lot of dissension, there's a lot of infighting

00:30:34.160 that's going on.

00:30:35.120 And you realize that Charlie would always try to find a way to take people who may be on

00:30:39.700 different sides of an issue or maybe just had some, you know, some bad interaction, and

00:30:44.640 he would find a way to build that bridge.

00:30:46.680 Because Charlie understood that it was about all of us fighting together.

00:30:52.060 And we are up against billionaires.

00:30:54.660 We are up against psychopaths.

00:30:56.880 And I'm not just talking about Gavin Newsom.

00:30:59.700 But he understood, he understood that if we were ever going to succeed, we had to do so

00:31:08.460 together.

00:31:10.200 And I appreciate you having me here, Megan, because, and I don't know if everyone, I'm

00:31:14.340 sure most people realize this, I'm not supposed to be sitting on the stage right now.

00:31:19.120 Charlie Kirk is supposed to be sitting on this stage right now.

00:31:22.720 And he's not here because of them.

00:31:25.240 Yeah.

00:31:25.940 And we are not going to ever rest, and we are not going to ever stop, and we are not

00:31:33.020 going to ever let them forget the name of Charlie Kirk.

00:31:35.880 That's right.

00:31:36.320 Or Briss Merchant.

00:31:38.380 Right?

00:31:39.060 The war to define his legacy is on.

00:31:44.700 And they try to smear him every day on the left in the New York Times and MSNBC and beyond.

00:31:49.980 And his friends, his true friends, have all been out there fighting back against it.

00:31:54.940 But I don't know, Jack.

00:31:56.460 I've told others this.

00:31:57.680 I think I've told you this.

00:31:58.940 When you stood up at Charlie's funeral with the rosary beads in your hand like that, just

00:32:03.780 it was like a Malcolm X, almost like Pose, with the rosary beads, I felt better. 0.96

00:32:09.700 And when I talked to you and Benny Johnson backstage that day of Charlie's memorial, you

00:32:14.680 guys said something that actually made me feel comforted for the first time.

00:32:18.440 And this may sound kind of weird, because everyone knows I'm not a shrinking violet, and I'm not

00:32:24.440 afraid of a fight, but I felt so much better, because we were having a debate right then about

00:32:28.920 whether we should reach out to the left, we needed to reach across the aisle, and like

00:32:33.900 extend the hand, or whether it was a time to fight, because they were literally murdering

00:32:38.240 us now, and you guys said, and you were pissed, you guys were angry at the loss of Charlie,

00:32:44.940 and you guys said, you know, no offense, but it's time to let the men handle things right

00:32:51.760 now.

00:32:52.520 And I loved it.

00:32:53.900 I loved it.

00:32:55.360 It wasn't actually about men.

00:32:57.360 It was about fighters.

00:32:59.120 It was about, this is a time for fighting.

00:33:01.400 Look, you come to situations, and you hope that you can solve things with words, and Charlie

00:33:09.800 tried to do that.

00:33:10.860 You hope you can solve things with debate, and that's what our great country is all about.

00:33:16.480 But when someone decides to stop using the ballot box, and then what do we see in this

00:33:22.800 country?

00:33:23.180 They went to the jury box with President Trump, and the law fair, and hundreds of thousands,

00:33:29.860 really, of patriots.

00:33:32.020 And then when that still didn't work, and they continued to lose power, they switched

00:33:36.300 to the bullet box.

00:33:38.640 And you had this guy climb up on a roof, and take a shot, and kill Charlie Kirk.

00:33:44.820 And when I see something like that happen, I say, look, and CNN asked me about this, and

00:33:50.260 they're probably not going to invite me back on anytime soon.

00:33:52.840 That's okay.

00:33:53.820 You're good.

00:33:54.460 And yeah, I'll be all right.

00:33:55.540 I'm not going to lose sleep.

00:33:56.240 And I said, look, I'm more than happy to unite with anyone who wants to have a conversation,

00:34:03.360 but if you support that, like the thousands of people that we saw laughing about it and

00:34:09.580 cheering about it, then I am not interested in uniting with you.

00:34:13.040 I am only interested in defeating you.

00:34:16.560 Right?

00:34:17.080 I have felt since that day, not accidentally, that there's like, I don't know, there's an

00:34:28.560 evil in the air.

00:34:30.640 Like there, do you guys, have you felt it at all?

00:34:35.040 Like there's something, there's sort of a pall that's been cast over us since then.

00:34:40.320 As I, I think we're actively fighting demons that are, that are struggling for the souls

00:34:47.260 of our fellow Americans and, and that are getting some of them.

00:34:51.160 That's why you have that woman doing the, right? 1.00

00:34:55.780 Like that woman, I, I really feel like a demon is involved there.

00:34:59.300 A teacher.

00:34:59.800 Right.

00:35:00.100 Who's got little children in her classroom all day. 1.00

00:35:02.360 What, talk about those rosary beads. 1.00

00:35:04.240 Like how do we protect ourselves?

00:35:06.100 How do we fight that?

00:35:06.960 And you mentioned, you mentioned the rosary beads, so I had to, I had to get them here

00:35:11.280 tonight and bring them.

00:35:13.160 And Megan, because I, you said something so nice on your show the other day about them,

00:35:17.700 I figured why not bring an extra set that I could give to you.

00:35:22.980 Oh my God, thank you.

00:35:24.360 Oh, they're so beautiful.

00:35:25.400 Thank you.

00:35:26.960 Oh, they're so beautiful.

00:35:28.080 They just feel empowering.

00:35:29.820 This has, right in the center there, that has St. Michael the Archangel right there.

00:35:34.240 Defend us in battle.

00:35:35.240 And for folks who know the St. Michael prayer, it's, it's St. Michael the Archangel, defend

00:35:41.780 us in battle.

00:35:42.940 Be our protection against the wickedness and snares of the devil.

00:35:46.200 May God rebuke him, we humbly pray.

00:35:48.260 And do thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, that the power of God cast into hell Satan

00:35:53.300 and all the evil spirits who wander about the world seeking the ruin of souls.

00:35:59.060 Amen.

00:35:59.320 And that's, that's it.

00:36:05.240 Thank you.

00:36:06.960 This means so much to me.

00:36:08.280 Of course.

00:36:08.900 Thank you.

00:36:10.640 You joined Turning Point.

00:36:13.760 What year was it?

00:36:15.160 2021?

00:36:16.400 It was, yeah.

00:36:17.240 So I was doing events back to 2018 and then, but I didn't formally join until 2021.

00:36:23.100 And that's when we started the show Human Events Daily and Charlie and Tyler came and said,

00:36:27.460 hey, we want to do this, this idea.

00:36:29.920 We want to expand it to media and do news.

00:36:32.340 And we want you to be, want you to be that guy.

00:36:34.920 And I said, I'd be honored to do it.

00:36:36.960 Yeah.

00:36:37.040 I don't know if anyone's going to watch, but I'm, you know, I'm happy to do it and let's

00:36:40.320 keep going.

00:36:40.840 And then Charlie had his show and I had my show and it just grew and grew.

00:36:45.200 So one of the things you've clearly figured out in your time with Turning Point, with Charlie

00:36:49.600 out on the road with Turning Point is maybe what's going on with young men in America.

00:36:56.000 And you actually had a really interesting piece this week talking about that and also talking

00:37:02.340 about the trans furry thing that we keep seeing, right? 1.00

00:37:07.700 We saw it.

00:37:08.400 We know that Charlie's accused assassin was dating a man who was both a trans and an alleged

00:37:15.100 furry, you know, I mean, alleged because that's not a thing.

00:37:18.060 Neither is trans. 1.00

00:37:18.760 And now we hear that, yes, and now we hear the same about the butler shooter who himself

00:37:25.220 was they, them, and into furry culture.

00:37:29.000 And you're the first person I heard really talk about those two strains in a way that

00:37:32.100 might actually explain why some of these men, these disaffected young white men are falling

00:37:38.760 prey to that insanity, which then leads to violence.

00:37:42.220 Yeah, so, and this is, you know, like you're close to these stories and you try to analyze

00:37:50.980 it objectively and it's tough.

00:37:53.040 But at the same time, you have to look at the facts and follow the facts where they lead.

00:37:56.360 And we know on the face of it that this furry culture and more of this transgender culture 1.00

00:38:02.600 comes up in both cases.

00:38:04.320 And what's interesting is it's also, I think, an aspect of transhumanism.

00:38:09.620 And transhumanism is, of course, this idea that we can transcend our human bodies.

00:38:16.160 And Yuval Harari talks about this and he goes over to the World Economic Forum a lot.

00:38:20.740 And what it means is that they sell this idea that you can become something which you are

00:38:27.660 not.

00:38:28.420 And that's really what it comes down to.

00:38:30.460 And it's a break with reality.

00:38:31.980 And a break with reality, if you go to the classic textbook definition psychologically,

00:38:36.820 is psychosis.

00:38:37.860 That is the definition of what a psychotic break with reality is, a rejection of reality.

00:38:44.640 A man cannot become a woman. 1.00

00:38:46.960 A woman cannot become a man. 1.00

00:38:48.520 It's physically impossible.

00:38:49.900 Word.

00:38:50.180 A human being cannot.

00:38:51.540 Yes.

00:38:51.640 This is true.

00:38:52.100 This is true.

00:38:53.000 And I know to say that in a California is a revolutionary act, I suppose.

00:38:57.500 Gavin, I'm here, by the way.

00:38:58.620 I promised I'd come by.

00:38:59.840 And to attempt to turn yourself into an animal is also impossible.

00:39:07.520 And yet, there's this kind of toxic situation where young men, particularly young white men,

00:39:14.960 have been so completely dispossessed in our society, totally disenfranchised.

00:39:18.860 You see this with Tyler Robinson, his trans boyfriend, Lance Twiggs.

00:39:23.320 These downwardly mobile young white males who are castigated by society are told that

00:39:28.780 everything that is wrong with society is their fault.

00:39:31.680 They see program after program set up for every other race and ethnicity and gender other

00:39:36.880 than them.

00:39:37.700 And they start to disconnect from reality.

00:39:41.260 They see the economic situation not being good for Gen Z and for young people.

00:39:45.220 So they disconnect with reality.

00:39:47.620 And you look at what do all of them have in common?

00:39:50.620 Think about this.

00:39:51.940 And I mentioned this in the piece for Human Events.

00:39:54.720 Luigi Maggioni, Thomas Matthew Crooks, and Tyler Robinson.

00:40:00.120 They were all in high school during COVID.

00:40:02.680 They were all in, so imagine you're in that situation.

00:40:07.540 Now, you can't leave your home.

00:40:09.760 You're locked in.

00:40:11.280 You've got your cell phone.

00:40:13.300 You've got that little piece of glass right in front of you.

00:40:15.460 So if you can't go into the outside world, what do you do?

00:40:18.640 You go into the virtual world.

00:40:20.680 And you're then inundated, and Charlie spoke about this, you're inundated with pornography.

00:40:25.860 And the pornography becomes more and more extreme.

00:40:28.220 We know that Tyler Robinson was looking at pornography, which involved furries and drawings,

00:40:35.240 which involved young animals, human animal creatures, almost like a form of child pornography.

00:40:42.540 And at some point, you start to blend your vision of what's reality and what is false reality.

00:40:51.380 And because of the cognitive dissonance of not being able to actually achieve that in reality,

00:40:56.220 it expresses itself in violence.

00:40:59.100 So how do we even begin to go about finding those guys and helping them?

00:41:05.420 Well, I think you have to put it in different buckets.

00:41:08.800 This country used to have a problem with serial killers.

00:41:11.440 We set up units at the FBI.

00:41:13.960 We set up units at Quantico.

00:41:15.160 There's movies about this.

00:41:16.640 You can go watch them.

00:41:18.000 And we understood and unpacked what it was that made the serial killer tick.

00:41:22.420 And we went after them.

00:41:23.880 We set up behavioral sciences to get them off the streets.

00:41:27.440 So for the ones that are becoming incredibly and more increasingly violent, you have to get them off.

00:41:33.220 Look, the New York Post, Miranda Devine, had the story this week.

00:41:36.120 Thomas Matthew Crooks was conducting Google searches in his true name,

00:41:40.800 asking about how to kill Donald Trump, how to look up the distance from Butler,

00:41:45.420 what type of shot was JFK, and how far, the Oswald, and all this other stuff. 0.91

00:41:49.740 It's all out there.

00:41:51.340 And yet the FBI was more interested in going after parents who were at school boards that didn't want trans in the classroom

00:41:59.360 and Catholics who were praying the rosary a little bit too hard.

00:42:02.960 That's what our FBI was doing.

00:42:04.720 And if our FBI had actually been focused on this threat the way it was,

00:42:08.980 then Donald Trump would not have been shot in Butler,

00:42:11.420 and Charlie Kirk would be sitting right here and not me.

00:42:13.780 Yes.

00:42:15.940 That's absolutely right.

00:42:17.580 And I would say, and just in addition to that, though, in addition to that, you also,

00:42:21.740 so get the ones off the street that are too far gone, lock them up, don't just medicate them,

00:42:25.900 they actually need to be under intensive care, rebuild the mental institutions, of course.

00:42:29.940 Yes.

00:42:30.260 And yes, and you in California know that better than others.

00:42:33.760 Yes.

00:42:34.040 And then you don't want people getting lost in our false reality,

00:42:41.640 so that means we have to make actual reality better for young people, for Gen Z.

00:42:46.700 You have to have a pathway to ownership, to equity, to being able to get on your feet in society today.

00:42:52.860 And that means making the economy better.

00:42:55.580 That means getting rid of the 30 million illegal aliens that are probably just here in California 1.00

00:43:00.200 and, you know, across the entire country,

00:43:03.060 because how can we possibly expect people to go into a society that is so messed up? 0.97

00:43:08.620 And I would add one other thing to that, which is wokeism must die.

00:43:13.060 Of course. 0.98

00:43:14.200 Of course.

00:43:14.720 These young men cannot hear one more day of they have some original sin

00:43:19.600 as a result of what happened in this country 200 years ago

00:43:22.340 that they must bear that will not get them into a good college program

00:43:25.440 or get them into a good trade or get them a wife

00:43:28.140 because they've been dubbed toxically masculine.

00:43:30.640 All of that must stop, has to stop,

00:43:33.540 if we want to rescue an entire generation of young men.

00:43:35.940 Thank God it started with President Trump getting re-elected.

00:43:39.820 I wanted to show you something that made the news today.

00:43:42.180 This is Sam Harris.

00:43:43.720 Do you guys know who that is?

00:43:45.220 Sam Harris?

00:43:45.980 Yeah, so you do.

00:43:47.820 Sam's a big fan of mine.

00:43:49.220 He loves me.

00:43:50.380 So Sam Harris considers himself an intellectual type.

00:43:54.160 He's an atheist.

00:43:55.180 He's big into meditation.

00:43:56.240 He's the son of the woman who created the Golden Girls.

00:43:59.240 Yes.

00:43:59.820 Yeah, so, and he's very good on certain things.

00:44:03.280 Like, if you ever look at the old clips of Sam Harris on Belmar

00:44:05.760 talking about the problem of Islam, he will tell it like it is. 1.00

00:44:09.080 Yes.

00:44:10.100 However, he's got a serious case of TDS.

00:44:13.560 And he's apparently also got some Charlie Kirk derangement syndrome

00:44:17.140 that affected his commentary today on this soundbite.

00:44:21.200 Take a listen to this.

00:44:21.900 There's no party left of center, real party, for political assassination.

00:44:28.280 And yet, right of center, very prominent people, from the president and Elon on down,

00:44:35.560 treated it like the first shot fired in the Civil War.

00:44:38.360 Totally irresponsible, totally dishonest.

00:44:42.300 I mean, these people were arsonists pretending to be firefighters.

00:44:46.340 I mean, Elon jumped on X within minutes before, I think before Kirk was declared dead.

00:44:53.000 Certainly before his killer was caught and said, the left is the party of murder.

00:45:00.540 It's beyond reckless. 0.75

00:45:01.840 I mean, it's just sociopathic.

00:45:03.460 It's just, he is just flinging matches into a landscape that has been just soaked in gasoline.

00:45:11.540 And the soaking has been done mostly by Trump and Trumpism.

00:45:16.220 So discussing the actual murder of Charlie Kirk, you heard he was full of blame for whom?

00:45:25.560 Not the left.

00:45:26.500 He excused them for Elon and Trump, who he said were arsonists disguising themselves as firemen.

00:45:33.820 Your thoughts on it?

00:45:34.760 Well, what he's doing here is a very clear example of victim blaming.

00:45:39.120 And he's also, I love this, because who is the real victim in the murder of Charlie Kirk?

00:45:44.940 Is it Charlie?

00:45:45.920 No.

00:45:46.300 Is it Erica?

00:45:47.100 No.

00:45:47.760 Is it the children?

00:45:48.780 No.

00:45:49.240 It's Sam Harris.

00:45:50.420 Sam Harris thinks that he's the one who's the victim, the same way the leftists always

00:45:54.340 play the victim card every single time, no matter what has happened.

00:45:58.560 And what he's using here is a technique which is known as DARVO.

00:46:01.660 And DARVO is something that narcissists and leftists, I know, I repeat myself, are you all the time.

00:46:08.320 It's simple.

00:46:09.480 It's called deny, attack, and then reverse victim and offender.

00:46:13.820 So deny, say that that didn't happen.

00:46:16.160 You attack back, so you counterpunch, and then you reverse victim and offender.

00:46:21.160 Once you see this tactic, you will see the left use it over and over again.

00:46:25.580 And that's always what Sam Harris does.

00:46:27.680 Now, I could show you videos, by the way.

00:46:30.340 We all could.

00:46:31.360 If you don't believe me, go look at my friend Libs of TikTok and Haya Rychik,

00:46:35.620 and she'll show you the thousands of people who were celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.

00:46:40.780 Olivia Kralchuk was, I think, calling a lot of employers, 0.94

00:46:44.200 and Rudy Giuliani was calling a lot of employers.

00:46:48.120 And yet they will still sit there and look you square in the face and lie to you

00:46:53.160 and say none of that ever happened.

00:46:55.320 None of those people exist.

00:46:56.600 Well, ladies and gentlemen, 1.7 million people in Virginia just voted for Jay Jones

00:47:03.100 after he had text messages saying that all of our children should be made to die

00:47:08.780 so that we will feel pain and that we then may change our stance on policy.

00:47:14.460 We have a huge problem in this country, and the bullets are only flying one way.

00:47:19.680 That's right.

00:47:20.400 And what did Elon say that wasn't true?

00:47:22.940 What did he say?

00:47:23.620 He blamed the left, and he was exactly right.

00:47:25.540 Charlie's shooter, accused shooter, is of the left, and that's very clear,

00:47:29.760 no matter what the left now tries to say.

00:47:31.500 The bullet casing said, hey, fascist catch,

00:47:33.840 and the other casing said, Bella Chow on it.

00:47:36.880 And Bella Chow is the international anthem of Antifa.

00:47:41.800 God bless you.

00:47:42.900 Thank you for leading with faith, with love, but with toughness.

00:47:46.460 That's exactly what we need.

00:47:47.320 Thank you.

00:47:47.580 And Megan, if you would indulge me,

00:47:49.980 today's actually, and I know you're going to see her on Saturday,

00:47:52.360 but today's actually Erica Kirk's birthday.

00:47:55.280 And I was wondering if you guys could all join me in saying happy birthday to Erica.

00:47:59.700 Oh, I love that.

00:48:01.380 All right, sing it loud, because I'm not a good singer.

00:48:03.340 Happy birthday to you.

00:48:09.480 Happy birthday to you.

00:48:13.560 Happy birthday, dear Erica.

00:48:18.740 Happy birthday to you.

00:48:23.480 That was beautiful.

00:48:25.220 Thank you.

00:48:26.300 Awesome, right?

00:48:40.660 Sorry, but that's what we need.

00:48:42.020 Like, I see Jack as like the red meat of our party. 0.99

00:48:47.640 You know, you need red meat.

00:48:50.180 You know, I guess somebody has to be the broccoli, too.

00:48:55.020 Somebody's got to be the martini.

00:48:56.260 I'll do that.

00:48:58.060 You need the red meat, too.

00:48:59.540 And that, of course, leads me to Victor Davis Hanson.

00:49:03.460 I know.

00:49:04.340 He's so great.

00:49:06.600 If you know somebody more brilliant than Victor Davis Hanson,

00:49:09.820 then you know better people than I do.

00:49:11.220 Because honestly, like, there are a lot of great guests that we have on the MK Show,

00:49:14.480 but there is not a single guest who is smarter than VDH.

00:49:17.860 You know he's a professor at Stanford University.

00:49:22.060 It's amazing they still have him.

00:49:24.560 He's got tenure for life.

00:49:25.740 That's the problem.

00:49:27.100 He's the fellow at the Hoover Institution.

00:49:29.680 He's a professor of the classics, which he had to explain to me the first time he came

00:49:33.940 on to my show.

00:49:34.500 What the hell that is?

00:49:35.260 I didn't even know.

00:49:35.700 I went to public school, as you know.

00:49:37.980 And he's been educating us all ever since.

00:49:41.140 He is beloved by Donald Trump and I think by all of us.

00:49:45.580 Take a look at VDH.

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00:52:46.220 I'm holding here my formerly nicotine-stained fingers, a column written today by Victor

00:52:59.140 Davis Hanson.

00:53:00.300 I want to just read you a quote by Victor Davis Hanson.

00:53:02.520 Victor Davis Hanson at the National Review.

00:53:04.900 Victor Davis Hanson writes of the president today.

00:53:07.380 A great gentleman, Victor Davis Hanson.

00:53:10.180 You were one of the first intellectuals to support Donald Trump.

00:53:13.940 You just spoke to the people.

00:53:16.160 We had to fight back and not be worried what people said.

00:53:19.780 Dr. Fauci, he's told us masks are essential.

00:53:23.120 They're not essential.

00:53:24.600 One mask is okay.

00:53:25.860 No, two is better.

00:53:26.960 I just lied because it was for your own good. 0.98

00:53:29.240 I like to torture you, VDH. 0.98

00:53:30.840 Look at this.

00:53:32.120 It's kind of like an athlete that never lifts weights or never runs.

00:53:36.280 Unburdened by what has been. 0.83

00:53:38.060 She just is intellectually lazy. 1.00

00:53:40.380 Letitia James' grandniece.

00:53:41.840 Here she is, Victor.

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00:53:48.800 No, I have not.

00:53:50.400 Okay.

00:53:51.600 During the Reagan years, that was a very liberating period.

00:53:55.160 Make America great again.

00:53:57.300 With all due respect to his memory and legacy, I don't think he did as much in eight years

00:54:02.140 as Donald Trump has done it.

00:54:03.520 We're going to win so much, you may even get tired of winning.

00:54:07.340 He's not done yet.

00:54:08.780 He's indestructible.

00:54:10.040 One, the only, Victor Davis Hanson.

00:54:19.160 Woo! 0.99

00:54:25.880 Thank you.

00:54:27.320 So fun.

00:54:29.900 Yes, the legend.

00:54:31.820 Look at this.

00:54:32.860 Look at that.

00:54:33.520 Aw, they love you, Victor.

00:54:38.360 Aw, you guys are so sweet.

00:54:41.380 Look at that welcome.

00:54:42.480 They love you.

00:54:43.360 I have a confession to make.

00:54:44.820 Tell me.

00:54:45.720 I've always lived in Fresno County.

00:54:47.460 I was born in the same house.

00:54:51.280 But I've always preferred Bakersfield to Fresno.

00:54:53.760 Oh, and there it is.

00:55:00.180 Victor, let me pick up with you where I left off with Jack.

00:55:03.340 What do you make of that Sam Harris coming out and saying that the issue with respect

00:55:08.320 to Charlie's death is that Elon sent out a tweet blaming the left and that Trump was

00:55:15.960 too incendiary around it and that these were arsonists pretending to be firemen, that that's

00:55:21.180 really the issue.

00:55:22.180 I didn't hear that last part.

00:55:23.800 That they were arsonists pretending to be firemen, Trump and Elon, after Charlie Kirk died.

00:55:29.580 And really the issue was their rhetoric, their rhetoric around Charlie's murder, not the

00:55:34.800 leftist rhetoric that got him killed.

00:55:37.340 Yeah.

00:55:40.040 I don't really pay attention to any of that, not to sound sanctimonious, but Charlie Kirk,

00:55:46.740 if I could just say something about him, he did two things that nobody else will ever

00:55:52.080 do in my lifetime.

00:55:54.500 And the first was, he told left-wing, he said to people all over campuses in America, 18

00:56:02.240 to 30, he said, you have a natural rebellious nature and I want you to encourage that because

00:56:08.640 the establishment is not the conservative establishment.

00:56:11.560 The left is the establishment, so it's natural to rebel, not just because you're young, but because 0.99

00:56:17.280 you're illogical and these people are crazy. 0.96

00:56:19.580 And that was very unique. 0.96

00:56:21.080 The other thing is, he didn't go to college and graduate, and yet he goes to the Oxford

00:56:27.000 debate union and he takes on supposedly the most sophisticated people in the English-speaking

00:56:32.620 world.

00:56:33.520 And he shows that you don't have to go to college to show how uneducated a lot of people

00:56:39.380 in college are.

00:56:40.280 And it's like, I've spent 50 years in academia with PhDs, and then I was given a great gift

00:56:48.260 to live on a farm.

00:56:50.380 And that schizophrenia, I would come from the academic world, and I was told how smart they 1.00

00:56:55.020 were, and then I saw what farmers did, and I knew how stupid they were. 1.00

00:56:58.840 Because there's nobody smarter than a farmer. 1.00

00:57:00.820 He's a mechanic, he's a genius, he does everything, but not academic.

00:57:04.020 And Charlie knew that.

00:57:06.680 And yet you spent a lifetime in this crazy environment.

00:57:10.860 So how did they never pull you leftward?

00:57:15.640 I have a twin brother that doesn't speak to me, so it pulled everybody in my generation and

00:57:24.920 my family.

00:57:25.500 I had a great gift when I was 17, my parents were very practical, and they said, there's

00:57:32.320 a new campus, it's called UC Santa Cruz, and it's the closest one, all three of you guys

00:57:37.200 can go there, and you'll save money.

00:57:38.680 So I went there, and it was a communist crazy place, and so you either had two choices, to

00:57:44.740 join them, or to rebel against them.

00:57:47.200 And I rebelled against them, and I came home.

00:57:49.940 But how did you withstand it, right?

00:57:51.720 Because you look at, you know, these judges who go on to the Supreme Court, and they get

00:57:55.560 sucked into the Georgetown Party circuit, and then suddenly they need to be loved by the

00:58:00.240 leftist Washington Post.

00:58:02.220 And certainly a professor, like on a university campus, like Stanford, a lesser man would have

00:58:08.740 submitted to the leftist dogma long ago.

00:58:12.000 So I don't get it.

00:58:13.320 Like, how did you do it?

00:58:14.040 I was a great, I wish I could take credit, but I can't.

00:58:17.820 Because the first thing I did when I got to the Hoover Institution, I taught 21 great

00:58:23.240 years at Cal State Fresno.

00:58:24.540 I loved it there, but I was burned out.

00:58:27.880 So I got to Hoover, and this strange guy called me up, and he said, I like what you write.

00:58:35.680 We're going to have lunch twice a month for the next 15 years.

00:58:39.840 It was Tom Sowell.

00:58:41.260 Tom is Sowell.

00:58:42.100 And I never met a more brilliant guy.

00:58:46.100 And so, and then the next guy I met was Shelby Steele.

00:58:50.640 Wow.

00:58:51.380 And the third guy I met was Scott Atlas.

00:58:53.520 Oh my gosh.

00:58:54.260 And I said, these people are so much brighter than the entire Stanford faculty.

00:58:59.040 So I never had a doubt.

00:59:01.160 And then when people said, well, this person says you're crazy, or this person says you're

00:59:06.000 a farmer hick, or this person says you belong back at Fresno State, I would say, Tom, 0.79

00:59:12.360 Scott, what's the reality?

00:59:13.640 So I had a group of people who I admired, and they were brilliant.

00:59:17.640 Some smart mentors.

00:59:18.040 So I was very lucky.

00:59:19.360 Very, very lucky.

00:59:20.640 I had wonderful parents.

00:59:22.300 My parents, my grandfather lived on a farm for four generations, and he had three daughters.

00:59:29.880 And he mortgaged this little farm and sent them to Stanford University.

00:59:34.640 And so my mom, 1942, had two degrees from Stanford, and then she went to law school there. 1.00

00:59:43.760 And then she went back and became a mom with three kids and worked on the farm. 0.90

00:59:48.040 Yeah.

00:59:48.420 And then she became the first.

00:59:49.260 And you still have the farm, the raising farm.

00:59:50.560 So she was, I got a good, the good thing about that was, because they had gone to college

00:59:56.000 the first in generation, they kept saying, don't be warped by college.

01:00:01.480 Don't not, you have to work.

01:00:02.720 I came home the first semester.

01:00:04.080 I said, hey, I know, hey, I'm going to take Latin.

01:00:08.360 And my father said, do you know how to weld?

01:00:11.520 Do you know how to wire the dehydrator?

01:00:15.200 And when I graduated with a PhD.

01:00:16.700 Maybe a little more practical.

01:00:18.000 Yeah, I graduated with a PhD at 25.

01:00:20.100 And I came home, and I said, I didn't even go to the graduation.

01:00:22.340 I had to work at a farm.

01:00:23.820 And my dad said, my brother was kind of a smart, very bright guy, very smart, but kind

01:00:29.660 of smart-alecky.

01:00:30.460 So I came back and said, I have a PhD in classics from Stanford.

01:00:33.040 And he said to my dad, he's like a dog that can dance on two legs.

01:00:38.060 It's really impressive, but nobody knows what it's for.

01:00:40.420 All right, let's talk a little politics, because I promised the audience earlier I was going

01:00:48.240 to ask you this question.

01:00:49.720 I heard my pal Mark Halperin on Next Up with Mark Halperin on the MK Media Podcast Network

01:00:55.100 talking this morning about the latest Fox News poll that shows only 15, 1.5% of the American

01:01:05.400 population says that their financial situation has improved as a result of Trump.

01:01:11.860 And he said if the numbers stay like this on Trump's economic approval, it's going to

01:01:17.500 be a bloodbath in November.

01:01:20.040 That not only could Republicans, they will lose the House, but they could lose the Senate

01:01:24.440 too.

01:01:25.940 So your thoughts on how Trump turns that around?

01:01:28.520 Well, no president has ever been as wonderful as Trump has done overseas.

01:01:37.060 No president has ever been re-elected on foreign policy.

01:01:42.120 George H.W. Bush had that fantastic first Gulf War, 1991.

01:01:49.000 Four days, he destroys Saddam's land army.

01:01:51.660 He's polling at 90%, and he loses to Bill Clinton because Clinton says we're...

01:01:55.520 And we weren't, we were in a mild recession in 92, but he said it's the Great Depression.

01:02:01.120 And for all of that...

01:02:02.400 So if you actually look at the statistics, over four years, Joe Biden averaged 5.2% inflation

01:02:10.460 every year.

01:02:12.440 Trump came in, it was 3.0.

01:02:14.640 This month, it was 3.0.

01:02:16.440 They think the economy may grow at 4% GDP.

01:02:20.280 He came in at 2.

01:02:21.280 He's got a very good inflation rate comparative, but what the left is saying is, we were in

01:02:30.320 power for four years and we raised prices by 21.5%, and you've been in office 10 months

01:02:37.400 and you haven't reduced them, it's your fault.

01:02:39.920 And he can't get that message out. 1.00

01:02:42.020 So what he needs to remember what James Carville, it's the economy is stupid. 0.98

01:02:46.520 The Epstein files, all that matters is to try to remind everybody what he's done, what 0.91

01:02:54.040 he did in the first term, but more importantly, what he's doing next year.

01:02:58.520 What he's doing right now has long-term implication.

01:03:02.160 I'll just get very quickly.

01:03:04.460 He's already pumping 1 million barrels of oil.

01:03:07.640 We'll never pump more than 14 million.

01:03:09.600 He's going to go to 16.

01:03:10.700 He's never done more natural gas.

01:03:14.800 We are the largest natural gas and oil producer in the world.

01:03:19.920 Second, I don't know if he's out of the deal exaggerating when he says he has $20 trillion

01:03:26.440 in foreign investment.

01:03:27.980 Let's say it's half, 10.

01:03:29.740 Last year, Biden, he had $79 billion.

01:03:33.380 So we've never had that before.

01:03:35.440 We've never had that.

01:03:36.460 You guys know that Trump is using the tariffs to negotiate deals in which these countries,

01:03:40.880 he jacks up the tariffs, then he says, I'll lower them by half, but you have to invest

01:03:45.380 a bunch of money in American manufacturing, create jobs here. 0.98

01:03:48.480 So he's gotten somewhere between $10 and $20 trillion of investment in America, whereas

01:03:53.280 Joe Biden never even got $1 trillion.

01:03:55.200 So what I'm getting at is, and then he's going to have this continuation of the big, beautiful

01:04:02.060 tax cut and the deregulation.

01:04:04.440 You deregulate the economy.

01:04:06.480 You give tax cuts.

01:04:07.620 You've got all of this, not just the oil revenue and the export, and he's dealing with

01:04:12.620 the tariff income, as you said, and gas energy prices are already going out.

01:04:17.220 There were $3.48 a gallon during the four years of Biden.

01:04:20.900 They're already at $298, not here, but nationwide.

01:04:25.160 So what I'm getting at is, if he can survive and get that message out, and you're going

01:04:29.860 to have a lot of psychological lift with the World Cup and the 250th anniversary, it's going

01:04:35.520 to be a nice year.

01:04:37.000 And I think these things will kick in in June or July, and he'll be fine if they stick to

01:04:43.760 the message.

01:04:44.720 And that is, the economy was terrible when we came in.

01:04:48.300 We made it better, and now it's getting good, and get the message out.

01:04:53.560 I feel like the message is not Epstein-related, but we're in that morass now.

01:05:00.460 So how does that play out?

01:05:02.100 Because the Democrats, they're loving swimming in that pool.

01:05:05.640 They're loving it a little bit less now that Larry Summers has been outed as the chief friend

01:05:09.760 of Jeffrey Epstein.

01:05:11.220 You guys saw this.

01:05:12.140 Former president of Harvard, former treasury secretary under Bill Clinton, also worked for Barack

01:05:16.860 Obama, and the first real name to come out, not as somebody who was receiving trafficked

01:05:21.720 girls, but who was BFFs with Jeffrey Epstein long past the time when we knew what a disgusting 1.00

01:05:27.160 scumbag he was. 0.99

01:05:28.960 The Miami Herald piece broke in November of 2018, and he's sending Jeffrey Epstein messages 0.99

01:05:33.640 like a small schoolgirl asking for his hair to be braided.

01:05:36.200 Two months later, all the way up to the day before Jeffrey got arrested, now he's stepped

01:05:41.600 down from all of his duties at Harvard.

01:05:43.360 He's not teaching his classes anymore.

01:05:44.920 So we'll see whether the left continues to love the Epstein story as much as they currently

01:05:48.860 do.

01:05:49.720 But how do you see that playing out over the next year or so?

01:05:53.060 I don't know if people were accurate when they said Trump was playing five-dimensional

01:05:58.660 chess or whatever they claimed.

01:06:00.160 But he did have a big noose, and they put their neck in it.

01:06:03.760 What I meant is he communicated with Jeffrey Epstein before he was a convicted sexual assaulter,

01:06:12.980 and then he broke it off before he was convicted.

01:06:17.060 These people, and 80% of the textual trove has references in a case of political affiliation

01:06:24.500 with Democrats.

01:06:25.300 But most of them, if you look at what the news says, most of them are after he was convicted.

01:06:31.600 So basically they said... 0.87

01:06:33.000 And convicted, like he pleaded guilty to solicitation of sex with a minor prostitute, which as you 0.96

01:06:40.960 always know, what do I say? 0.94

01:06:43.740 That is not a thing. 0.93

01:06:45.260 A minor cannot be a prostitute. 0.99

01:06:46.840 That's child rape. 1.00

01:06:48.260 So he pleaded guilty to that.

01:06:49.760 In 2008, they all knew it.

01:06:51.180 Katie Couric, she knew it.

01:06:52.520 Now she's trying to say, oh, I didn't know when I went to his townhouse for dinner that

01:06:56.220 time.

01:06:56.780 George Stephanopoulos knew.

01:06:58.720 They all knew.

01:07:00.060 They just decided to overlook it because he was rich as F.

01:07:03.420 Yeah, I don't get it.

01:07:04.920 They have control of the files, so-called files, for four years under Biden.

01:07:10.680 And they know, because they have access to them, that most of the people who are mentioned

01:07:15.900 are Democrats.

01:07:16.580 And they know that most of the people who are Democrats are mentioned after they knew

01:07:21.700 that he was a convicted felon.

01:07:25.060 And so they didn't release them.

01:07:27.120 And yet, when Trump comes in, they said, because you don't release them, you must be implicated.

01:07:33.560 When they know, after they raided his home, they de-balloted him, they had lawfare, they

01:07:38.500 would do anything to destroy him.

01:07:40.620 So they would have leaked something if there was anything to be leaked.

01:07:43.440 So then, what were they thinking?

01:07:46.000 So now Trump has control over them.

01:07:48.680 And all he has to do is say, I really didn't want to release them.

01:07:52.960 And he probably didn't because there's probably a few Republican grandee donors.

01:07:58.560 So he probably was worried.

01:07:59.880 He's getting calls.

01:08:00.720 Please don't do that.

01:08:01.660 It's not, there's not enough context.

01:08:03.660 But that being said, you know what's going to happen.

01:08:07.440 Every two weeks or something, a name is going to come out.

01:08:10.160 And it's going to be a Democrat, and it's going to be a Larry Summers, or a chief counsel

01:08:15.440 person, or somebody, and he's just going to let it keep going.

01:08:19.140 Yes.

01:08:19.600 And I don't know why they walked into this minefield.

01:08:22.040 Think about that.

01:08:22.900 What if this whole story gets turned so that every other week we find out a new Democrat

01:08:27.060 who is in the Epstein files, and we've already heard everything there is to hear about Trump.

01:08:32.040 I mean, think of that, if that's actually how this story lands.

01:08:35.780 These Democrats and the media will run from this story so fast, it'll blow that hat right

01:08:40.360 off your head. 0.51

01:08:41.800 Yes, they will.

01:08:45.060 But the only rational explanation is they are so obsessed.

01:08:50.580 I've never, we've all tried to figure out why they hate him so much.

01:08:54.800 Maybe it's his queen's accent.

01:08:56.400 Maybe it's his orange color.

01:08:57.860 Maybe it's comb over.

01:08:58.820 I don't know, but maybe he had no political experience.

01:09:03.160 But they are so obsessed with him that they do the, I mean, Jasmine Crockett talking about

01:09:08.660 Lee Zeldin and this other Dr. Epstein.

01:09:11.200 It was amazing.

01:09:12.080 And it's every day.

01:09:14.060 And so their only strategy now is to make these videos with the S word, the F word, the

01:09:22.500 screaming yell, kickbox, say Trump is this and that.

01:09:26.260 And they want us as the American people collectively to get in a fetal position, put our hands over

01:09:32.880 there and just make it go away.

01:09:34.200 I don't care.

01:09:35.180 That's not going to work.

01:09:36.240 That's not happening.

01:09:37.140 But that's their strategy, a total chaos.

01:09:39.840 And then the other thing very quickly is we had a civil war and the civil war was fought over the

01:09:46.820 nullification of federal law and disloyalty of the union.

01:09:54.000 All of a sudden we find out that, you know, the mayor of Chicago says if ICE comes on our

01:09:59.620 territory, we're going to resist them.

01:10:00.980 What does that mean? 0.97

01:10:01.580 They're going to pull out guns and they're going to shoot each other north and south.

01:10:04.600 Nancy Pelosi says we're going to arrest a, she's never read the constitution. 0.99

01:10:08.740 It says federal law is supreme to local and state law in matters of federal jurisdiction.

01:10:14.380 And then we have these 600 jurisdictions that are nullificate.

01:10:18.260 They're like South Carolina in 1850.

01:10:20.920 We're not going to obey federal law.

01:10:22.860 And you can see where this is going.

01:10:25.420 So then now they're issuing a video where they're telling 1.3 million people in the military,

01:10:31.620 if you get an order and you've disguised because you're all legal scholars and you decide that

01:10:36.980 if you don't want to obey it, just don't obey it.

01:10:39.440 So they're basically calling for an insurrection.

01:10:43.220 And then they have all these ex-generals and admirals who in the past have said Donald Trump 0.99

01:10:47.380 was a fascist, Muslim. 1.00

01:10:49.780 So almost what's eerie is almost every aspect of what caused the civil war, these very liberal 0.96

01:10:57.300 progressive people are emulating as if they're Jeff Davis or, I don't know, Stonewall Jackson.

01:11:03.340 So how does that end?

01:11:04.680 Yes.

01:11:05.560 It's, they're headed toward a situation, if they don't stop, that they're going to have

01:11:12.700 a local, and we almost had it in Chicago when they wouldn't come to the help of ICE that

01:11:17.340 was trapped.

01:11:17.920 But Karen Bass says we're using L.A. officials to try to thwart ICE and help illegal aliens

01:11:25.580 who are in the street waving the flag of the country under no circumstances they want to

01:11:30.580 return to and burning the flag of the country they want to stay in. 0.92

01:11:34.180 That's so true.

01:11:35.220 So.

01:11:35.820 So well said.

01:11:36.920 I don't, I don't get it, but I'm afraid that if somebody doesn't stop it, you're going

01:11:41.820 to get a situation where a local police force on the orders of a blue state mayor is going

01:11:46.660 to say, stop them, and we're going to get a gunfight.

01:11:49.400 And then we're at Fort Sumter territory.

01:11:51.720 And so it's scary.

01:11:52.920 And they've got us, they're really calling for insurrection.

01:11:55.700 And meanwhile, the American people continue to support the deportation of all illegal immigrants

01:12:00.320 in the country right now.

01:12:01.440 All of them.

01:12:02.480 Not just the ones who have committed additional crimes.

01:12:05.340 Absolutely.

01:12:06.400 So.

01:12:07.640 All right.

01:12:08.000 So now we need to take a moment to talk about Michelle Obama's hair.

01:12:12.500 I've been told by her many times this is very important.

01:12:15.160 What are you laughing at?

01:12:17.360 Racists. 0.87

01:12:19.940 We're all racists because she had to iron her hair. 1.00

01:12:24.220 She talks about it on every tour stop.

01:12:26.400 She's promoting her book.

01:12:27.420 Hold on.

01:12:27.700 I want to see which one it is.

01:12:28.660 Okay.

01:12:29.760 There's so many to choose from.

01:12:31.700 But here's the latest.

01:12:33.120 This is sought for.

01:12:34.400 Let's take a look.

01:12:35.240 A lot of people want to know, well, what do braids mean?

01:12:38.160 What does she mean?

01:12:39.000 Look, y'all.

01:12:43.040 What does she mean?

01:12:44.280 You know, I mean, that's what white folks are. 0.87

01:12:46.580 It's like, what does that mean?

01:12:48.040 What are you saying?

01:12:49.200 We're saying nothing.

01:12:50.660 Let me explain something to white people. 0.70

01:12:53.000 Our hair comes out of our head naturally in a curly pattern.

01:12:58.300 So when we're straightening it to follow your beauty standards, we are trapped by the straightness.

01:13:05.260 It is exhausting and it's so expensive and it takes up so much time.

01:13:10.400 Braids are for y'all so we can work harder and focus on the works.

01:13:17.620 Don't touch it.

01:13:20.160 Just don't.

01:13:21.540 She's sitting there with the straight hair telling the people not to. 0.99

01:13:28.680 And can I just say for the record, it is not just black people who have to deal with their hair a lot in the morning.

01:13:35.080 All right.

01:13:35.900 Now, people, I have something to tell you.

01:13:38.600 This is not all mine.

01:13:40.560 I mentioned a lot of the show.

01:13:42.400 But if you could see the number of little hell things in there that Sarah's got to deal with every day to try to cover them up so you guys think this looks natural.

01:13:49.320 It is not just a black thing, Michelle.

01:13:51.180 Sorry, Victor.

01:13:51.840 Go ahead.

01:13:52.220 Well, when I get up in the morning, I wish I had hair.

01:14:03.220 I wish I had Michelle's hair other than this.

01:14:05.580 But my point is this, I understand that she's insecure and she has four mansions.

01:14:14.500 So when she's talking, I can't figure out whether she flew in from Martha's Vineyard, the Washington mansion, the Chicago mansion, or the beachfront mansion in Hawaii.

01:14:24.860 And then she says this, and I was listening to the radio when this was on the story the other day.

01:14:31.260 So I get, I walk to my office, the first person I see is a beautiful Asian woman with straight hair. 1.00

01:14:38.820 The next person I see is a beautiful Mexican-American woman with straight hair. 1.00

01:14:44.140 The third person I meet is a guy that I knew who has very kinky white, he's white and he has curly hair. 0.94

01:14:50.980 And I thought, well, white people, I don't have a monopoly on straight hair.

01:14:56.140 So why are you saying this unless you have some problem?

01:15:01.020 And the problem, I think, is my entire life, whether it was getting into Princeton or Harvard or getting the Niki account or something at my law firm or getting this huge job at the University of Chicago,

01:15:15.480 I always, it was always predicated on I could make white people feel guilty and that I was a victim even though I grew up as middle class and I was given every opportunity.

01:15:24.900 And so when you look at this scenario and you think of, just to take an example, Salma, California, East Palestine, Ohio, where you have very poor people who happen to be white.

01:15:38.780 And so what I'm getting at is when we obsess on race and not class, which the Democratic Party does, it's absurd.

01:15:48.660 It's like Mondami saying, I'm going to go after white affluent neighborhoods. 0.93

01:15:53.980 And then you say, well, let me do a Google search for two seconds and see which is the most affluent ethnic minority in the United States.

01:16:01.180 Indian Americans.

01:16:02.060 That's right.

01:16:03.020 40% more income than the average white family.

01:16:06.540 So the whole racial thing has sort of jumped the shark now. 0.98

01:16:10.360 It's just ridiculous. 0.71

01:16:11.420 Forgive me, but I do have one more.

01:16:13.300 This one's not about the hair, but this falls into the Stephen L. Miller, the Red Stee's on Twitter category of, I regret to inform you, we've disappointed the Obamas again.

01:16:25.820 Here she is. 0.98

01:16:26.760 We've got to play it on how confining the damn role of First Lady was. 1.00

01:16:32.820 Let's watch. 0.99

01:16:33.440 That little eight-year stint as First Lady tends to be a bit confining, right? 0.99

01:16:42.200 Because the role, the job was not to just represent me, but to represent the nation.

01:16:49.880 And as the first Black family in that house, just like, you know, Black folks feel in all the first positions, that we're the, you know, we're carrying the torch, we're lighting the way, which means that we've got to do it really, really well so that the next folks will have a chance.

01:17:10.600 You know, when you're the only, you know, you feel like if you don't get it right, nobody will ever get this position.

01:17:17.680 Women, people of color, people of different ethnicities, of different genders and sexual orientation, we all feel that.

01:17:28.560 So, poor Michelle, it was especially confining for her to be First Lady because she's black. 1.00

01:17:36.540 Yeah.

01:17:36.960 And I'm sure every other First Lady before and after Michelle Obama felt totally free with the role and, like, lifted the dress up and said, hey, take a look at me. 1.00

01:17:44.920 It didn't feel confined at all being First Lady of the United States.

01:17:48.080 Just the black one. 0.99

01:17:48.920 Michelle, people were so discriminatory against her, they put her on Vogue magazine about four times and no offense to Michelle, it has nothing to do with race, but Melania, Trump is beautiful.

01:18:05.980 She didn't, they wouldn't put her on one time, it would be like her saying, well, you know, they hate Eastern Europeans, so I never got on Vogue.

01:18:15.000 It's crazy, and then in 2004, the so-called white vote for John Kerry was less than the white vote for Barack Obama four years later.

01:18:27.880 In other words, Barack Obama won and he beat John McCain not because of the black vote, it was a sure thing, 96%, is because a huge number of white people decided to vote for him, a black man, more than they did the prior white Democratic candidate.

01:18:44.820 Notwithstanding Michelle's hair.

01:18:45.560 That doesn't happen in a racist society.

01:18:47.260 It's amazing.

01:18:48.340 It doesn't.

01:18:48.960 How they found, honestly, though, have you ever seen, like, a First Lady in particular who is so racist? 0.99

01:18:56.640 She hates white people. 1.00

01:18:58.860 Her image of white people is the most negative, judgmental, nasty thing I've ever heard. 1.00

01:19:04.480 She thinks all we do is look at black people with negative judgments about their hair and their dress and the way they behave. 0.98

01:19:11.400 Meanwhile, it's really a case-by-case situation with blacks and whites, and she's failing it. 0.93

01:19:16.760 Yeah, I think the problem is that her audience is the same group of white people I see every week at Stanford, but it's not the people at Bakersfield.

01:19:26.920 Amen.

01:19:27.400 Because, believe me, if people try that stuff to working-class people, whether they're Mexican-American or white or even black, they don't listen to it. 0.99

01:19:38.600 They said, you're a spoiled brat. 1.00

01:19:40.120 I don't want to hear it. 0.90

01:19:41.180 I've got to get up at 5.

01:19:42.400 I've got to go to work.

01:19:43.360 I don't get home.

01:19:44.000 I don't have anything.

01:19:44.760 You have four mansions.

01:19:46.180 You're worth $100 million. 0.97

01:19:48.060 You're a spoiled brat. 0.99

01:19:49.360 I don't want to hear it. 0.99

01:19:50.220 But not those people.

01:19:51.480 Yes.

01:19:51.880 They hang on every word she says because they're just like her.

01:19:56.080 We're going to do Michelle Obama a favor, and we're going to send that clip to her to make sure she gets a hefty dose of reality before she goes on her next tour stop. 0.99

01:20:05.400 Have you ever met Michelle?

01:20:06.300 I met her one time at the White House Christmas party.

01:20:10.100 Yeah.

01:20:10.600 She was perfectly pleasant.

01:20:12.300 She was probably like, why are you looking at my hair like that?

01:20:14.360 Yeah.

01:20:16.780 Victor, love you.

01:20:18.420 Thank you so much for all of your pulls of wisdom.

01:20:21.880 It's a pleasure.

01:20:25.240 VDH.

01:20:27.920 He's a treasure.

01:20:37.120 All right, Sarah, how's my hair?

01:20:39.320 Good?

01:20:40.360 Fine.

01:20:40.980 She's dying to come up here and fix it. 1.00

01:20:42.420 I guarantee you.

01:20:44.440 It's wonderful to have somebody who's paid actually just to do your hair.

01:20:47.200 It's wonderful.

01:20:47.960 It's like a true gift.

01:20:48.980 I do my own makeup, but Sarah does my hair.

01:20:51.200 I never learned over all the years how to do my hair.

01:20:54.140 You know, you never, like, watch it.

01:20:55.420 And also, if you do watch it, ladies, you know how, like, the brush, the round brush, my God, it's so much work. 0.53

01:21:00.880 But the makeup I learned to slap on the face paint by following some twit online. 0.69

01:21:06.160 Okay.

01:21:06.520 My next guest is somebody I did not meet up until a couple months ago, but like you, I was a lifelong fan.

01:21:14.820 And I've seen, I think, most of Charlie Sheen's movies, but I have never seen somebody so skilled and so compelling as when I was young and saw Charlie Sheen on screen in Wall Street.

01:21:28.780 He played the simmering, angry, ambitious, tortured soul on Wall Street better than anybody I've seen live it in real life, and I lived in Manhattan for 20 years.

01:21:43.420 And the fact that his dad was involved in the movie, too, and that scene in the elevator with the two of them with the tensions burning, saying all the things, what I would later find out have some parallels to his real life.

01:21:56.960 He told me when we met via satellite, for the release of his book and his documentary, that he had fallen to fame so quickly and early on got the same lesson taught to him over and over again, which was, you can get away with anything.

01:22:16.740 With that face and that talent and that personality, we'll overlook anything.

01:22:22.140 And that would wind up being somewhat of a curse for Charlie Sheen, as well as a blessing.

01:22:28.520 He's really profoundly interesting, and he's come a long way through the tiger blood by winning years to really settle in a place of wisdom and reflection.

01:22:42.040 And I think you'll soon hear Republicanism.

01:22:46.040 Check it out.

01:22:48.020 Do doctors have Black Friday sales? 0.88

01:22:51.040 Do they?

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01:26:39.280 I am on a drug.

01:26:40.380 It's called Charlie Sheen.

01:26:41.500 Charlie Sheen's life has been a wild ride.

01:26:43.800 I was really hard to control.

01:26:46.560 I'm by winning.

01:26:48.200 I win here and I win there.

01:26:49.640 That one.

01:26:49.980 I had found some different level of I don't know what.

01:26:54.740 A Hollywood legend.

01:26:56.180 For so long I was Martin Sheen's son and Emilio Estavis' brother.

01:27:01.720 What do you care if your brother ditches school?

01:27:03.560 This cameo just falls out of the sky into my lap.

01:27:08.460 I think I made a big mistake coming here.

01:27:10.540 Films like Platoon, Wall Street, and The Rookie.

01:27:13.980 You want to do over?

01:27:14.920 No, I don't want to do over.

01:27:16.500 The highest paid actor in television history.

01:27:19.540 As a star on the beloved sitcom Two and a Half Men.

01:27:22.480 Men, men, men, men, men, men.

01:27:24.080 But all of that success came with challenges, addiction.

01:27:28.040 You know, I got tiger blood, man.

01:27:29.420 You don't worry that you're going to die when you take that many drugs. 1.00

01:27:32.280 Dying's for fools. 1.00

01:27:33.380 Drugs are undefeated. 1.00

01:27:35.420 It's like 20 million to zero.

01:27:37.800 He started experimenting with everything.

01:27:41.160 To get through that, you know, several times.

01:27:45.920 If this is prison, the only thing that's missing is the bars and the guards.

01:27:49.540 Now Charlie Sheen is eight years sober and back to tell his story his own way.

01:27:55.000 Oh, we're ready to go. 1.00

01:27:56.520 You've already proven you can do all this shit to your body and still stay standing. 1.00

01:28:00.640 I'm the guy that lived it and survived it and I still don't completely know how. 0.99

01:28:08.920 Please help me welcome Charlie Sheen.

01:28:10.900 Thank you.

01:28:24.660 Thank you.

01:28:25.400 The one and only.

01:28:27.000 Is this on?

01:28:27.700 Yeah, it's on.

01:28:28.420 We're good.

01:28:31.360 Thank you.

01:28:32.600 It's so great to have you.

01:28:34.020 Thank you.

01:28:34.080 How does it feel to be back out here in front of the masses and feel all the love?

01:28:50.980 It's got to be better than crack cocaine.

01:28:53.400 It's a different kind of better than crack cocaine. 0.98

01:28:58.500 No, it feels fucking awesome. 0.99

01:29:05.620 And wow.

01:29:07.460 Thank you.

01:29:08.840 Thank you.

01:29:10.460 We were talking backstage.

01:29:12.720 We're both getting older.

01:29:15.520 I just had a birthday.

01:29:16.900 You got a few years on me.

01:29:18.980 Turned 60.

01:29:19.840 I turned 60.

01:29:20.960 Yeah.

01:29:22.360 At 60, where are you?

01:29:25.320 Happy, well, struggling, working on it?

01:29:29.020 Where?

01:29:32.320 Yeah, that just described an entire week, pretty much.

01:29:38.360 Monday.

01:29:40.780 No, I think I'm happy most of the time.

01:29:45.240 You know, I think I'm not looking for, like, you know, insane events or circumstance to generate happiness.

01:29:58.360 I think I'm finding, and, you know, when I say happy, it's like I'm not, like, walking around, like, you know, cackling with laughter.

01:30:09.080 That's not normal.

01:30:10.700 I'm sorry?

01:30:11.200 That's not normal.

01:30:12.020 I never trust the people who are like that.

01:30:13.460 Yeah, no, and I'm not, I don't have a perma-smile.

01:30:16.200 Yeah.

01:30:16.580 You can't trust those people.

01:30:17.940 No, it reminds me of my time on the Today Show.

01:30:20.140 Very jarring.

01:30:20.960 Very fake.

01:30:22.080 Right.

01:30:22.260 Those are not happy or good people.

01:30:24.620 But it's the littler things that start to matter a lot more, you know, as I go further down the road on the journey.

01:30:34.840 But the 60 thing was, it was messing with my head.

01:30:40.660 Why? 1.00

01:30:40.940 Because it was like, shit, man. 0.99

01:30:45.400 I spent most of my 50s, like, apologizing to people. 0.99

01:30:50.400 And that's fine, because I needed basically a decade to get through all of those apologies.

01:30:59.460 And it was also part of the reason that, you know, that really drove me to find the passion to do the book, to do the doc,

01:31:13.040 and really create a moment, not really so much of a comeback, and I think we spoke about this the last time, but just more of a reset.

01:31:24.840 And I wanted to just put all that shit behind me, but do it properly and do it in a way that was honest and noble and thorough. 0.94

01:31:35.140 Yep. 0.98

01:31:35.320 And, oh, thank you.

01:31:37.400 Thank you.

01:31:38.040 I mean, it was thorough, all right.

01:31:39.780 It was really thorough.

01:31:43.200 You did lay it all out there.

01:31:45.040 Very bare.

01:31:46.480 We talked about it when you came on, but there was the incident, which you've since clarified a little, of the crossover tour when it comes to the sexuality.

01:31:54.180 It wasn't like the full crossover.

01:31:55.800 It was more like playing in the sandbox as opposed to, like, rolling around in the sand and rolling over in the sand.

01:32:03.020 Do you follow?

01:32:03.760 So the sandbox, not like an entire beach.

01:32:07.880 Right, right, right.

01:32:08.920 Got it.

01:32:09.720 Got it.

01:32:10.280 Not like my own tropical island.

01:32:12.960 Yes.

01:32:13.840 So, like, does that make it hard for you now?

01:32:16.220 Like, you've come out with that, that happened, which probably isn't that unusual for people who are super famous and super rich and have had a drug thing.

01:32:23.280 But if that wasn't a part of my story with how far I took it and the amount of cocaine I ingested in any means available, if that wasn't part of my story, I think people would be like, hey, wait a minute.

01:32:41.680 We've, you know, in other, I can't say similar stories, but other examples, that's usually been one of the consistent ingredients in that recipe. 0.79

01:32:58.240 Well, last time we were together, I asked you whether you're getting hit on nonstop now by gay men. 0.93

01:33:03.740 And the answer was yes. 0.98

01:33:05.120 They're all like, oh, I got a shot.

01:33:06.580 But I forgot to ask you whether.

01:33:09.560 That was a funny moment in the interview, because that came early.

01:33:14.400 That was like in the first five minutes, right?

01:33:16.080 Yeah, yeah.

01:33:16.600 And that told me, like, okay, all right, this is cool.

01:33:21.080 This is, it's on.

01:33:22.980 We're going there. 0.99

01:33:23.560 We're fucking doing this. 0.99

01:33:24.980 Yeah. 0.99

01:33:25.400 And I'm like, well, why the hell not?

01:33:27.580 And I'm sorry I cut you off.

01:33:28.940 No, no, no.

01:33:29.720 But I forgot to ask you the other half of that, which is, you know, we saw Sean Penn in the clip.

01:33:34.120 Sure.

01:33:34.340 Nick Cage was one of your best friends.

01:33:35.720 Did those guys come back to you and say, could you clarify that it was not, you know, your best friends who did the tour with you?

01:33:45.260 Oh, oh.

01:33:46.980 Yeah, no, no, no, no.

01:33:48.280 It's nobody anybody recognizes.

01:33:52.420 Yeah, Jesus, man.

01:33:54.700 No.

01:33:57.020 All of your favorite, most of them, TV and film stars that I know are off the hook.

01:34:05.720 So, yeah, I'll just, you know, I'll just own it. 0.99

01:34:09.760 But another thing that we did discuss was that I knew for so long how it felt to keep all that shit in. 0.99

01:34:18.540 Yeah. 0.99

01:34:18.700 And also, you know, a lot of the consequences that it brought or the target I still presented myself as, you know, to some very nefarious types.

01:34:33.200 Like you were actually being blackmailed.

01:34:34.800 I was being blackmailed, being extorted, shaken down.

01:34:37.740 Yeah.

01:34:37.960 And so there was a strategic opponent to unloading a lot of this to where I just wanted to be un-extortable.

01:34:53.980 You know, I think I, thank you.

01:34:56.800 Yeah.

01:34:57.360 Thank you.

01:34:58.820 And thank you.

01:35:01.100 And Megan, I thought it would be a much bigger price to pay than what it's revealed itself to be.

01:35:09.500 Wow.

01:35:09.760 And that's like, that's so encouraging because that's really a leap of faith.

01:35:15.220 That's like saying, all right, you know, I'm going to talk about all this stuff and, you know, I don't.

01:35:22.920 Will you still love me?

01:35:23.880 Yeah.

01:35:24.460 Will you still love me?

01:35:25.460 Yeah.

01:35:25.560 Yeah.

01:35:25.920 They do.

01:35:26.460 I mean, those kinds of things can really restore your faith in humanity.

01:35:30.400 Right?

01:35:30.920 Like you could have named your book, This Is Me Now, and I think people would have received it just the same.

01:35:37.580 Like I think people are mature enough.

01:35:39.580 And even this is like a right-leaning audience.

01:35:41.460 A lot of people have faith.

01:35:42.680 Sure.

01:35:43.100 You know, they may not love all the drugs and the crossover tour, though I think we're fine with that now.

01:35:47.780 We're kind of fine with it.

01:35:48.900 Yeah, we're evolved.

01:35:50.880 But I think they understand and love redemption.

01:35:55.960 Right on.

01:35:56.720 Right on.

01:35:57.140 Thank you.

01:35:58.100 Thank you.

01:35:59.780 Thank you.

01:36:00.800 But before we get to the redemption, just go back a little.

01:36:07.120 Okay.

01:36:07.680 We're going to skip all the fun stuff.

01:36:09.160 Good.

01:36:09.920 So it seems to me in watching the doc and reading the book that the craziest pal you had was Nicolas Cage.

01:36:15.500 Am I wrong?

01:36:17.540 You are not wrong. 0.81

01:36:21.700 Different kind of crazy. 0.80

01:36:24.900 Go on.

01:36:25.680 Other, like extra galactically so.

01:36:30.020 Oh.

01:36:31.400 But with a wisdom and a sense of humor and a devil-may-care just air about him that was just, it was like poetic lava.

01:36:47.660 Wow.

01:36:48.880 Wow.

01:36:49.280 I think he would appreciate being described as poetic lava.

01:36:53.480 Yes, who wouldn't?

01:36:54.500 Yeah, because lava, you know, you see it coming, you can get away, right?

01:36:59.720 It moves pretty slow, but God, it burns everything to the ground.

01:37:04.020 And you're sure as heck don't forget that it was there.

01:37:11.260 You know, even decades later.

01:37:13.460 What am I even talking about?

01:37:15.680 No, we're following.

01:37:16.420 What am I talking about?

01:37:18.060 I'm talking about Nick Cage.

01:37:20.120 Yes, we're still on Nick.

01:37:21.620 Can you bring us aboard the airplane with the walkie-talkie thing that the pilot...

01:37:27.460 Oh, with the intercom?

01:37:29.240 Yeah, can we talk about how the hell that happened?

01:37:32.060 It started out just as a friendly game, like a performance exercise game interaction with just the rest of the plane.

01:37:46.280 And because there was still, you know, the curtain that separates the front from the back, you know?

01:37:55.340 And so we've been up for a few days at that point.

01:38:02.180 Sure.

01:38:03.100 And just kind of made the decision, we're going to Vegas.

01:38:06.780 And, you know, I buy this, like, $9, like, Dick Tracy hat in the airport.

01:38:13.040 And so there's five of us.

01:38:17.000 That's how we became the Jackson Five.

01:38:20.460 I mean, right?

01:38:22.880 And that wasn't about music.

01:38:24.320 That was just about numbers, because five.

01:38:28.000 And so, no, we're on the plane.

01:38:31.040 And so we were kind of using that curtain to do, like, a 10-second bit and just try to get a reaction.

01:38:37.140 The plane was loving this.

01:38:38.180 It's Charlie Sheen and Nick Cage and others who were notable.

01:38:41.920 Yes.

01:38:42.420 And you're just entertaining the plane.

01:38:43.780 Can you imagine this?

01:38:45.620 But it was all in just fun, you know, friendly spirit.

01:38:50.060 And, you know, Eddie would point out, you know, the Grand Canyon on the left side of the airplane and the Eiffel Tower on the right.

01:38:57.420 I mean, it was just silly, you know?

01:38:58.760 Right, right. 0.79

01:38:59.940 So.

01:39:00.540 That's not in Las Vegas.

01:39:02.720 What's that?

01:39:03.360 That's not in Las Vegas.

01:39:04.800 It's really not.

01:39:05.680 I know.

01:39:06.240 Well, there's a little version of it, right?

01:39:08.680 There is, actually.

01:39:09.500 Yeah.

01:39:10.320 Yeah.

01:39:10.560 But things like that.

01:39:12.120 Yeah.

01:39:12.240 And so Nick went last.

01:39:16.500 And I don't know if he just, he didn't understand the theme of what we were going for.

01:39:25.840 Light-hearted fun.

01:39:27.520 Yeah, he took it to a place where he grabbed the intercom and he says, ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking.

01:39:41.960 I'm not feeling well.

01:39:47.740 And you can hear the plane just kind of get whisper quiet, right?

01:39:51.540 And people are kind of looking at each other.

01:39:53.540 Is this really the captain?

01:39:55.320 And he says, and I feel like I'm losing control of the airplane. 0.98

01:40:01.640 And now, you know, whatever level of high or drunkenness or any of us were, we suddenly were laser focused on the amount of the shit that we were in because of that. 0.90

01:40:18.740 And he didn't even do the bit at the curtain. 0.96

01:40:23.760 Oh.

01:40:24.680 So they were buying it that it actually might be.

01:40:27.460 They didn't see him doing it.

01:40:29.040 Oh, no.

01:40:29.600 That's, thinking back, I think that was part of it.

01:40:34.140 That's where we went wrong.

01:40:35.620 Yes.

01:40:36.820 Yeah, because had he done that holding the mic, it's in poor taste, but they know it's a performance piece.

01:40:44.360 Maybe in bounds.

01:40:45.380 Yeah, but all they did was hear it.

01:40:49.220 And you could see the flight crew, like, launch into panic mode.

01:40:53.680 And one of the stewards, like, walked right up to Nick.

01:40:58.620 And he just goes, not cool, buddy.

01:41:01.440 Not cool.

01:41:02.320 Yeah, and then, you know, Nick didn't, I think I talk about this in the doc, right?

01:41:09.940 And in the book, Nick didn't know that I was basically the dope mule for that trip, for the Jackson 5.

01:41:20.980 Really did not want to get pulled over by the cops.

01:41:24.400 No, no.

01:41:26.080 And I was rolling with such a fat bag of cocaine that it wouldn't fit in any of my pockets, right?

01:41:39.220 So I taped it to the inside of my thigh.

01:41:42.700 Oh, my God.

01:41:43.300 And tried to wear a baggier pant. 0.96

01:41:45.880 And so I'm, like, you know, like, right in my crotch. 0.92

01:41:54.140 Oh, God. 0.97

01:41:54.780 I'm rolling with, like, 5 to 10 for distribution.

01:42:00.440 And so when we landed, we were met with the feds, with local authorities, with just a bunch of frowns and ire.

01:42:11.900 And, yeah, it was, luckily, though, this is that thing that you talked about, about consequences to a point. 0.99

01:42:21.060 Yes, because they're like, this is such bullshit. 0.99

01:42:23.860 This can never, oh, oh, hello, Mr. Sheen. 1.00

01:42:27.400 Hello, Mr. Cage.

01:42:28.760 Yeah.

01:42:29.420 And the turn of fortune comes to save you.

01:42:32.400 Exactly.

01:42:33.020 Again.

01:42:33.620 Yeah.

01:42:34.100 Or did it?

01:42:34.620 You know, like, if you had just gotten in, like, serious trouble early on.

01:42:41.200 Right.

01:42:41.780 I don't know.

01:42:42.580 Would you have gone through everything you went through?

01:42:46.700 If, if, if, if, the middle word in life, right?

01:42:49.960 Um, I, yeah, probably.

01:42:54.000 Probably.

01:42:55.360 You were resilient.

01:42:56.760 I think so.

01:42:57.580 You were really committed. 0.81

01:42:59.400 Can we spend a minute talking about the prostitutes? 0.98

01:43:02.000 Because you. 0.99

01:43:03.720 Wow. 1.00

01:43:04.620 You, you have, like, this iconic line about calling up a prostitute. 0.84

01:43:12.080 And I, I confess, my husband, Doug, is the one who told me about it.

01:43:16.000 And I love it.

01:43:16.860 It's very funny.

01:43:18.200 Um, when somebody asked you, you know, you're Charlie Sheen. 0.96

01:43:22.060 Why would you feel the need to pay for sex?

01:43:26.480 And do you remember what you said? 0.90

01:43:28.300 I, I, I do.

01:43:30.680 And what I should have said.

01:43:32.360 No, that's a terrible response.

01:43:36.360 I'm not even going to, no, I'm going to let that one just keep drifting away.

01:43:39.480 Um, I, I, I, I said, I'm not, I'm not, um, I'm not paying them to, to, to show up.

01:43:46.680 Is that what I said?

01:43:47.340 Uh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm paying them to leave.

01:43:49.680 Right?

01:43:50.520 And see, that's.

01:43:51.240 Not paying for the sex. 0.83

01:43:52.740 That's crass.

01:43:54.220 That is crass.

01:43:55.440 Um, and disrespectful.

01:43:57.140 But, but illuminating.

01:43:58.520 For those of us not in the trade.

01:44:02.300 The trade.

01:44:03.980 Amazing.

01:44:04.420 Um, no, but I, I, I, I wish I could claim ownership of, of that quote.

01:44:11.540 Because that was borrowed.

01:44:13.380 Oh, from whom?

01:44:14.200 I, I, I've heard different versions of it, uh, as, as far as, uh, the, the, the genesis of it.

01:44:20.940 I, I'm pretty sure it's a, it's a, it's a Cary Grant quote.

01:44:25.600 Oh, oh.

01:44:26.320 Yeah.

01:44:26.880 It's probably one of those quotes that nobody really wants the credit for.

01:44:30.120 Right.

01:44:30.580 Yeah.

01:44:31.020 So.

01:44:31.440 Right.

01:44:31.800 I see your point.

01:44:33.080 Um. 0.91

01:44:33.280 Now, because we eventually kind of went, we went, we did the prostitute circuit, and then 0.99

01:44:36.960 there was a pornography, like a, a porn actress. 0.97

01:44:40.460 And we're not even, we don't even mean a Kardashian. 0.75

01:44:42.780 Like, actual.

01:44:45.100 So.

01:44:46.320 Oh, you know it, and I know it.

01:44:49.440 She's, she's famous because of that sex tape, and it's never going to happen on the bar exam. 1.00

01:44:54.980 I, I've, uh.

01:44:55.880 Okay.

01:44:56.600 I've never seen that tape.

01:44:59.700 Kim Kardashian.

01:45:00.480 I've never seen that tape.

01:45:01.360 Oh, you've never seen that.

01:45:02.040 But I know, I know what it is.

01:45:03.080 Okay, yeah.

01:45:03.240 Yeah, yeah. 0.85

01:45:03.860 Have you guys seen the Kim Kardashian sex tape? 0.96

01:45:07.340 Everybody's like, ew. 0.75

01:45:09.340 Right?

01:45:09.840 What do I say?

01:45:10.960 But there's no proper answer to that.

01:45:13.400 So when you think about, like, that stint, because you kind of graduated, I mean, by today's

01:45:17.380 standards, that's all tame, by the way.

01:45:19.160 You know, like, what these young men are into on the internet today is like, that blows doors

01:45:22.380 on any of that stuff.

01:45:23.700 Wow.

01:45:24.320 Like, how do you see that?

01:45:25.400 Because you also had real love in your life.

01:45:27.520 You had three marriages.

01:45:29.160 I had three marriages.

01:45:29.780 Three marriages.

01:45:30.300 Denise and you seem to really love each other.

01:45:33.080 Denise Richards, of course.

01:45:34.020 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:45:34.520 Of course.

01:45:35.080 Yeah.

01:45:35.180 And so, like, you kind of had two lanes of, like, real love and a real partner and mothers

01:45:40.280 to your children.

01:45:40.920 And then you had this other low lane.

01:45:43.140 Sure.

01:45:43.400 So when you think on, like, the love and the sexual experiences of your life, do they seem

01:45:48.860 dramatically far apart?

01:45:50.100 Like, there were the women I loved and then there was this other, like, really unfortunate

01:45:54.360 thing, or how do you see it?

01:45:58.680 I mean, I mean, yeah, I don't know if I can add to that.

01:46:07.160 No, no, I will.

01:46:08.300 I was never a cheater.

01:46:14.100 Like, I never strayed from, you know, any moment that I was actually married.

01:46:20.840 That's awesome.

01:46:21.620 Thank you.

01:46:22.520 Thank you.

01:46:23.380 Especially while on drugs and all that, like, that says something about your character.

01:46:26.260 Thank you.

01:46:26.740 Yeah.

01:46:27.080 So I didn't, I mean, during the legal separations, that was, then I knew I was kind of off the

01:46:35.680 hook with that whole vow thing, right?

01:46:39.640 Right.

01:46:40.320 You were on a break.

01:46:41.460 Yes.

01:46:43.640 No, and I went into those marriages with the best intentions and the best hope for some

01:46:51.100 kind of a future together.

01:46:53.820 But the other thing, it just, at the time, I mean, you know, I was younger and a lot of

01:47:03.140 different, other things going on, it was, it was, it was, it was more exciting.

01:47:10.380 It was more exciting.

01:47:12.100 I don't know that I can present it any more insightful than that or, or like, drill down

01:47:16.660 to the, like, the core issue behind it or what it might be connected to.

01:47:20.380 It was, it was the thrill of, you know, at times, sometimes not knowing if I was going

01:47:29.420 to open the door to, to, to, to a lovely gal or, or to cops.

01:47:37.760 Okay.

01:47:38.480 You know what I'm saying?

01:47:39.240 I don't, but it sounds fascinating.

01:47:41.440 So it was like that roll of the dice, but sorry.

01:47:43.440 Yeah.

01:47:44.280 Well, I, I feel like, cause I know, are you dating Dolly again?

01:47:48.640 Is this true?

01:47:49.260 No, no, not dating Dolly.

01:47:51.320 If you guys read the book, Dolly is the young woman he was dating when he went to visit then

01:47:57.440 governor Bill Clinton in the Arkansas state house.

01:48:00.860 And would you, and what did Bill Clinton do?

01:48:04.740 He took one look at her and, and whispered to an aide, um, uh, find out what you can about

01:48:11.540 the brunette. 1.00

01:48:12.600 Yeah.

01:48:13.440 Like zeroed in on it, you know?

01:48:15.280 And it was kind of like, not cool, but he, he, like, we have the same taste. 0.93

01:48:21.920 I don't fucking know.

01:48:22.920 Um, it was kind of flattering for her. 0.98

01:48:29.000 Not cool to me.

01:48:31.200 You know, it's a weird place to be, you know?

01:48:34.080 Did you ever feel that special something looking at Hillary?

01:48:36.460 Uh, I, I told no one, find out what you can.

01:48:52.700 It's a no.

01:49:01.600 About the blonde.

01:49:04.700 Um, so.

01:49:06.280 Well, the reason I asked is because I read that you and Dolly had either renewed your

01:49:11.560 friendship or possibly your relationship today.

01:49:14.360 Right.

01:49:14.820 And I thought it would be very hard to be your, like, partner in today's day and age,

01:49:21.500 given the history.

01:49:24.000 I feel like the performance bar would be very high.

01:49:27.660 Right?

01:49:28.100 Like, ladies, you know what I'm saying? 1.00

01:49:29.940 Like, I'd be, like, Googling the videos to be like, what's my next move?

01:49:33.960 I don't, like, what if.

01:49:36.700 Oh, gosh.

01:49:37.820 Um, wow.

01:49:40.080 I mean, I, wouldn't the bar be high for me also?

01:49:45.300 I don't, I think for women, they just want somebody who will listen to them. 0.99

01:49:48.600 Okay.

01:49:49.240 I don't, I don't, I'm not sure the bar is particularly high for.

01:49:52.600 I'm a pretty good listener.

01:49:53.740 There you go.

01:49:54.440 Yeah.

01:49:55.100 Yeah.

01:49:56.100 No, Dolly and I reconnected because, um, she, she read the book and, and thought it was fabulous.

01:50:03.260 And, and was really flattered and really touched by how, you know, the stories that

01:50:09.020 I, that I told about us in the book and, and how I told them, um, and I, in fact, there

01:50:14.860 were a couple things I thought she was going to be upset with and, and she wasn't, she was

01:50:18.120 just so excited to be a part of it, you know?

01:50:20.740 And I was like, how could you not have been a part of it?

01:50:22.900 Um, and then, um, we, we, we just reconnected, um, and then just as, as old lovers, but new

01:50:37.620 friends.

01:50:38.340 Yeah.

01:50:38.860 Yeah.

01:50:39.060 I mean, that's got potential, Charlie.

01:50:40.820 I don't know.

01:50:41.500 That's the title of my next book.

01:50:42.840 Yeah.

01:50:43.740 Old lovers, new friends. 1.00

01:50:45.020 That's, that sucks. 0.98

01:50:46.560 No, it doesn't. 0.90

01:50:47.540 I'm not, I'm not buying that book.

01:50:48.700 It does.

01:50:49.040 It definitely does not suck as a, as a life theme.

01:50:51.260 I don't know.

01:50:51.680 We'll get back to, he'll get back to us on Dolly at our next tour and see how that goes

01:50:55.200 or on somebody.

01:50:55.840 Cause I feel like that's the next step for you.

01:50:57.760 Now that you're, you've been in recovery for eight years, your kids are getting older.

01:51:01.860 Sure.

01:51:02.240 Your back, life is back on track.

01:51:03.980 Thank you.

01:51:04.800 Thank you.

01:51:04.940 I don't know.

01:51:05.380 I'd love to see you well settled.

01:51:07.340 Yeah, no, I, I, thank you.

01:51:09.480 I, I would like to see me settled too.

01:51:13.180 Um, but there's no, I haven't been in a relationship for a long time.

01:51:18.120 Yeah.

01:51:18.700 Uh, not since like 2018.

01:51:21.480 I mean, Denise is in the news a lot.

01:51:25.060 Your ex-wife.

01:51:26.260 She is.

01:51:26.860 She moved on to and got remarried and she's the mother of two of your kids, your daughters.

01:51:31.940 Yeah.

01:51:32.180 Do you guys still maintain a relationship or you're still friends?

01:51:35.180 Oh, of course.

01:51:35.920 Oh, that's good.

01:51:36.480 Oh yeah.

01:51:37.500 Yeah.

01:51:37.840 No, she's, uh, it's, it's, you know, we, thank you. 0.84

01:51:41.080 Um, you know, it started out hot and heavy and then a bunch of shit happened and then it 0.93

01:51:46.120 got, you know, just kind of icky and whatever. 0.97

01:51:48.840 But today it's just like, we don't really, we don't really care about any of that other 0.97

01:51:55.580 shit because it's not who we are today, you know? 0.96

01:51:58.140 And I feel terrible what she's going through with, with the current divorce stuff. 0.99

01:52:05.480 It's just like, whoa.

01:52:06.700 For those of you not paying attention, she was on Real Housewives. 0.99

01:52:08.880 She married another man.

01:52:10.680 She has alleged that he has been physically abusive to her.

01:52:14.480 He has denied it.

01:52:15.400 He accuses her, accuses her of being a hoarder.

01:52:18.200 It's gotten very, very ugly between the two of them.

01:52:21.040 Um, I know her just a little and she seems like such a sweet gal. 0.99

01:52:24.360 I have to say, like, I've only been really favorably impressed by her, but of course I

01:52:29.160 wasn't married to her.

01:52:30.580 No, she is.

01:52:31.500 I mean, um, she's a, she's a Midwestern girl, you know, uh, we're raised in a, in a, in

01:52:38.620 a Christian household, you know?

01:52:41.000 Um, so are you.

01:52:43.480 This is true.

01:52:45.400 This is true.

01:52:47.120 Martin Sheen is a devout Catholic.

01:52:49.620 Yeah.

01:52:49.960 Or a, uh, as I call him in the book, a, uh, a cathaholic.

01:52:53.500 Yeah.

01:52:54.460 Um.

01:52:55.240 So what, like, apple tree.

01:52:59.240 Like what, what happened there?

01:53:02.200 Oh, oh, the, the distance from it?

01:53:04.240 Yeah.

01:53:04.820 Malibu, China.

01:53:06.340 Um, yeah.

01:53:08.400 Uh.

01:53:09.200 Because he was an actor, is an actor, but he was in the business.

01:53:12.060 Sure.

01:53:12.380 He had all the same temptations.

01:53:13.740 And really, really, really tried to help shepherd you back onto the, you know, the, the, the good

01:53:20.220 path.

01:53:20.740 Sure.

01:53:21.400 But did the Catholicism not really speak to you?

01:53:24.080 Or what happened with you when, and when it comes to faith and religion?

01:53:26.360 Um, I don't, I don't, I don't reject any religion per se.

01:53:32.240 I just, I, um, uh, you know, I, I, I, I, there's just some days when, you know, I spend more time

01:53:42.160 looking up curiously.

01:53:45.100 Um, um, I spend more time looking up these days than I do looking down.

01:53:51.020 Does that make sense?

01:53:51.760 Yes.

01:53:52.120 Thank God.

01:53:53.000 Yeah.

01:53:54.140 And, um, and people are like, well, well, do you believe in God?

01:53:57.500 And I'm like, well, yeah, the things I believe in, I don't, I don't have a better word to,

01:54:02.680 to, to, to attach to those feelings and those beliefs and, and just that, that, that, that hope.

01:54:08.020 I don't have a better word than God.

01:54:10.740 You know, I, I'm not, you know, mother universe.

01:54:15.100 I'm, I'm, I can't, I can't do that stuff, you know?

01:54:17.580 Um, so yeah, I, I, um, that, but that's just the part that I've kind of never, it's not like,

01:54:24.920 I don't want to talk about that.

01:54:26.000 I just never really explored it, but I, but I, but I can't say, I can say I've been very close

01:54:33.240 to it for a very long time.

01:54:35.080 Yeah.

01:54:35.320 You know, it's like something kept my heart beating.

01:54:39.140 Yes.

01:54:39.540 That's what I was going to say.

01:54:40.140 Something kept my heart beating.

01:54:41.240 There's no way you came through that on your own.

01:54:42.740 It's like, thank you.

01:54:45.440 I don't, I don't run any part of this show.

01:54:50.120 You know what I'm saying?

01:54:50.980 This particular show?

01:54:51.720 No, no, no.

01:54:52.180 Just the overall scheme of life.

01:54:54.560 I don't, I don't.

01:54:54.920 I went too far.

01:54:55.980 I don't, I don't run any part of, of my journey other than the stuff that I, that I navigate

01:55:01.500 that's right in front of me.

01:55:02.540 Other than the stuff that's actually tangible and, and, and requires my involvement and

01:55:07.520 attention and, and input.

01:55:09.720 You know what I'm saying?

01:55:10.200 Yeah.

01:55:10.480 Just as far as the bigger picture, I don't, I don't really, I'm, I'm sure there were times

01:55:15.240 when I thought I was in control of much bigger things, but nope.

01:55:20.600 You've been humbled.

01:55:21.660 No.

01:55:22.020 So, your dad is very outspoken about his politics.

01:55:26.460 He is.

01:55:26.980 Not a Trump fan. 0.98

01:55:28.380 No, but his timing on that thing was really shitty, man.

01:55:33.160 And I, and I, I told him so, but then I had to take a step back and we'd just gone through

01:55:39.920 that whole thing with Kimmel, with the freedom of speech, right?

01:55:43.140 And so, I was like, yeah, yeah, okay, no, own that, you know, because it's the unpleasant

01:55:50.100 things that we have to grant freedom to as well, right?

01:55:52.520 Unless they're threats or like that.

01:55:55.040 But I was like, dad, the timing, the timing, man, you gotta, you gotta read the room, you

01:56:01.140 know?

01:56:01.760 Right.

01:56:02.200 Because he's a, he, you know, he, he, he brokers the peace deal and the entire universe

01:56:08.040 is celebrating and dad's with Nicole Wallace.

01:56:13.160 Oh.

01:56:13.760 Yeah.

01:56:14.040 And I was like.

01:56:14.920 Just threw up in my mouth a little.

01:56:16.540 Again, though, again, you know what I'm saying?

01:56:20.940 Yeah.

01:56:21.620 Free to express.

01:56:23.600 Yes.

01:56:24.080 How he felt, but he could have done that like on Wednesday.

01:56:27.140 Right, right.

01:56:28.300 You know?

01:56:28.680 That when we just created peace in the Middle East.

01:56:31.080 So, how about you?

01:56:32.980 Just that.

01:56:33.760 Are you?

01:56:34.320 Just that.

01:56:35.200 Yeah.

01:56:36.160 Are you getting more comfortable with your politics and expressing them?

01:56:41.500 I, I, I am.

01:56:43.520 And it's, I think I, I talked to you about this early on.

01:56:50.300 It, it just, I, I, I had to feel something different because, you know, I think we all,

01:56:57.980 or a lot of us remain beholden to the structure, you know, the, the, the, the, the structure of

01:57:07.820 the house that, that we were raised in with politics, with religion, with the arts, with

01:57:11.820 culture.

01:57:12.500 It's just that, you know, those are our early influences.

01:57:15.980 And so, I, I, that's just all I knew growing up, you know, and, and it was like the good

01:57:23.060 guys and the bad guys.

01:57:24.340 And, and yeah, okay, for a while. 0.98

01:57:26.920 But then, you know, I, I've, I've paid the most taxes of anybody in my fucking family. 0.97

01:57:35.320 Um, so. 0.98

01:57:37.480 That'll do it.

01:57:38.080 Yeah.

01:57:39.520 Um, what I couldn't do, because I, I, I was about to do the doc and, and start the book

01:57:49.680 while at the same time, um, you know, uh, uh, trying to bring an N.A. beer to, to, to

01:57:56.940 the public, you know, with Wild AF.

01:57:58.900 Um, and, and, and, and we have, it's currently shipping.

01:58:02.300 Um, so, uh, I said, there's no way I can tackle any of this with, with, with the kind 0.98

01:58:09.760 of just focus and, and, and, and, and, and motivation, determination, if I feel like I

01:58:16.000 did during Trump's first term, right?

01:58:20.220 And I thought, okay, okay, how do I, how do I not feel, because I, I was not going to 0.79

01:58:26.540 go to bed every night feeling fucking hopeless.

01:58:28.820 I was not going to go to bed every night being told things were, uh, you know, the. 0.94

01:58:34.900 Catastrophic.

01:58:35.640 Catastrophic.

01:58:36.180 Yeah.

01:58:36.440 The end is nigh.

01:58:37.520 Um, and I thought, all right, I'm going to, I'm going to conduct an experiment.

01:58:41.620 Literally.

01:58:42.540 I'm, I'm going to change the channel.

01:58:45.460 I'm, I'm, I'm going to do my own research like I've done with everything my entire life.

01:58:50.720 I'm going to listen to other voices.

01:58:53.160 I'm, thank you.

01:58:54.400 I'm going to, I'm going to explore. 0.98

01:58:55.780 I, I, I, I'm, I'm going to explore just, uh, just hearing both sides of the goddamn story, 0.84

01:59:07.860 you know, because what I was, you know, so, uh, hypnotized by in, in, in, in, in some ways 0.90

01:59:16.260 can be described as state run media.

01:59:18.960 I'm sorry, but it can legacy media is very much like that.

01:59:23.720 And I said, okay, all right, enough of that, enough of that.

01:59:27.440 I'm going to change the channel.

01:59:29.300 Here's some different voices and do the research.

01:59:32.160 And the, the things that I discovered and the things that I started to really, uh, unearth,

01:59:40.100 um, you know, it was just, it was not just one of those moments.

01:59:44.500 It was like months of those moments of, oh my gosh.

01:59:48.300 Yeah. 0.99

01:59:49.000 And I felt really stupid. 0.88

01:59:50.980 I don't have a fancier way to describe it. 1.00

01:59:53.180 I felt really stupid. 0.98

01:59:54.660 Yeah. 0.81

01:59:54.880 Just some of the stuff I'd bought into and some of the stuff I was worshiping and some

01:59:58.420 of the people I was hating because I was told I was supposed to hate them, you know?

02:00:03.680 Yeah.

02:00:04.440 We've been there.

02:00:05.320 And I'm just like, this doesn't, and I, I wanted to feel better for my health, for my

02:00:14.380 mental health, for my physical health, just for my ability to, you know, interact with my

02:00:18.680 kids, you know, in a, in a healthier capacity.

02:00:22.600 Right. 1.00

02:00:23.060 And so, um, I, I was like, yeah, all right, fuck it. 1.00

02:00:29.640 I'm going to root for this. 0.99

02:00:31.060 I'm going to see how that feels.

02:00:32.900 Right.

02:00:33.780 Yes.

02:00:34.300 And so when you walked into the ballot box and voted for Trump, how did that feel?

02:00:39.520 Well, you see, that's a, that's a detail. 1.00

02:00:42.960 Um, you know, that's another one of those examples where you feel stupid, you know? 0.89

02:00:49.760 Um, no, I was still kind of still in that other side of the thing. 0.91

02:00:54.520 You weren't there yet.

02:00:54.920 Yeah.

02:00:55.520 Um, but you know, it's, it's a, it's a vote I'd like to have back, but that's all right.

02:01:00.060 Did you actually vote for Kamala Harris?

02:01:01.520 Oh my God.

02:01:06.720 And you were, that was in your sober period.

02:01:09.520 Yeah, I know.

02:01:11.020 I know.

02:01:12.340 I know.

02:01:13.900 Um, we forgive you.

02:01:16.320 Thank you.

02:01:17.220 Um, no, there was, again, it's, it's, it's the things you're paying attention to and the

02:01:22.600 people that you respect that you're listening to and it's all kind of turns into this thing.

02:01:26.740 Do you feel, is this risky for you at all?

02:01:28.480 Of course it is.

02:01:29.260 Right?

02:01:29.480 Because you're a very famous actor, but you know, like to get more roles, I think generally

02:01:34.280 you have to be a Democrat.

02:01:37.640 Um, if that's the case, um, I, I, I, I hope this beer is a giant success.

02:01:47.240 Um, yes, no, I, I, I don't think that, um, that represents any, any freedom of expression

02:01:58.220 or freedom of choice or freedom of sanity, freedom of sanity.

02:02:03.320 How about that?

02:02:04.300 Um, no, I, I, uh, you know, and, and, and, and of course, you know, some of the stuff you

02:02:11.660 were talking about earlier about, um, God, this brilliant, this brilliant, this brilliant

02:02:17.240 thing that you discussed about that, that, that, you know, during the, during the run

02:02:21.600 up, during the campaign, during like all this, that it was like, it felt so much more exciting,

02:02:26.220 you know?

02:02:26.760 Um, but I think, I, I think, I think, I think things are still going to be okay.

02:02:32.640 I really do.

02:02:34.040 I really do.

02:02:35.740 Because.

02:02:36.780 Yeah.

02:02:37.200 Why?

02:02:37.720 Because as long as they never look anything like that dumpster fire that, uh, that I was

02:02:46.860 finally able to, to, to kind of, you know, push back down the alley, um, as long as they

02:02:52.960 don't look like that, I, I'm, I'm hopeful, you know?

02:02:56.480 Wait, what do you mean?

02:02:57.000 I'm not following.

02:02:57.740 Are you talking about your own life experience here or are you talking about Kamala Harris?

02:03:01.220 I'm, I'm talking about the party that I'm not, that I had to, I, I, I had to part ways

02:03:07.240 with.

02:03:08.200 Yeah.

02:03:08.640 I, I, I had to, I mean, no, but, but Megan, I, I, I, I, I, I stuck it out as long as I

02:03:17.640 possibly could.

02:03:19.100 Yes.

02:03:19.680 But, you know, now I don't have, you know, a brain full of cocaine and a bedroom full of 1.00

02:03:25.160 prostitutes. 1.00

02:03:26.600 Um. 1.00

02:03:27.940 You see things much more clearly now.

02:03:30.080 Yes.

02:03:30.740 Um.

02:03:30.960 Welcome to the party.

02:03:32.400 Thank you.

02:03:33.580 Thank you.

02:03:34.280 The party of sanity.

02:03:36.860 But that said, that said, um, it's still interesting to now, you know, see some of the stuff that's

02:03:45.180 going on that I think a lot of us are, uh, concerned with.

02:03:50.660 Like what?

02:03:51.140 What's bothering you?

02:03:51.640 Like a lot of the infighting.

02:03:53.560 Yeah.

02:03:53.740 Like, you know, like a lot of the stuff that just doesn't feel unifying.

02:03:57.120 Yeah.

02:03:57.220 In a time when there's so much at stake.

02:03:59.800 Yeah.

02:04:00.100 There is so much at stake.

02:04:02.040 I know.

02:04:02.660 I, I feel it too.

02:04:03.720 And I get drawn into it.

02:04:05.080 And then I try to step back from it.

02:04:06.800 And I get mad.

02:04:08.120 I have fights with people on Twitter.

02:04:10.240 Half the time I'm just like, I'm fighting because I feel like they think I won't fight.

02:04:13.840 So I, I fight because I want to remind them that they can't push me around.

02:04:17.460 Right.

02:04:17.840 Yes.

02:04:18.360 Then the other half I say nothing because I always, my, what I've learned at age 55 is

02:04:22.940 finally I will decide when I'm in a fight.

02:04:25.720 I will decide when I'm in a fight.

02:04:27.040 How about that?

02:04:27.700 The left wing media, the dishonest smear merchants will not decide when I am in a fight or a controversy.

02:04:33.160 I will decide.

02:04:34.700 I love that.

02:04:35.920 I love that.

02:04:38.460 So what about acting again?

02:04:41.660 Because I think we'd love to see you in a major room.

02:04:44.940 Oh, that's so cool.

02:04:45.440 Thank you.

02:04:46.940 Do you feel ready for that?

02:04:48.020 Oh, absolutely.

02:04:48.580 Because what I've kind of been sharing with people is like all this attention and all

02:04:53.340 this, this love and, and, and, and like, you know, welcome back to the, to, to, to life,

02:04:58.420 man.

02:04:59.420 Just to do, you know, just open arms everywhere.

02:05:02.280 Um, and, and, and, and that's, and I haven't even still yet done like my job, like the thing

02:05:11.020 I'm known for.

02:05:11.720 I haven't even done that yet.

02:05:13.360 And, and, and the response I'm getting is, uh, is, is, is, is, is incredible.

02:05:18.680 Well, this is a function of being rich, right?

02:05:22.760 I think most people would have had to go back out and work, uh, already, but you must still

02:05:29.140 have a lot of the money that you earn, no?

02:05:34.300 Um, how much time do we have tonight?

02:05:38.140 Um, no, I don't, I don't, um, uh, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm very fortunate and I, and I remind

02:05:46.520 myself of that every day.

02:05:48.180 It doesn't, you know, maybe I'm not living where I think I deserve to be living or have

02:05:51.940 the, you know, the things I think I deserve.

02:05:53.580 No, but I, I have nothing to complain about, you know?

02:05:56.900 Um, and I just have to remind myself of that.

02:05:59.960 I have no food insecurity.

02:06:01.300 I have no shelter insecurity.

02:06:03.240 You know, I don't, and, um, yeah.

02:06:05.920 And, and that's the reason why I don't offer my opinion about things that, that, that affect

02:06:13.080 people in, in that way.

02:06:14.820 Yeah.

02:06:15.220 Because my opinion is, is useless in, in, in those scenarios.

02:06:20.540 I have to say though, as much as I think we'd all love to see you on the big screen or

02:06:24.660 the little screen, no one wants that to come at the expense of your sobriety.

02:06:30.100 And right.

02:06:30.940 We don't.

02:06:31.500 Yeah, no, of course not.

02:06:32.760 No.

02:06:34.860 Thank you.

02:06:35.760 Um, no.

02:06:37.500 And I, I, I know it was only a couple of months ago, but you like very lovingly and, and, and,

02:06:42.080 and, and compassion really touched me when you, when you're, you're closing message in

02:06:46.780 our satellite, uh, session together, um, was don't die.

02:06:53.940 Yeah.

02:06:54.700 So.

02:06:55.280 No, truly.

02:06:55.780 I don't, I do not want him to be the next Matthew Perry.

02:06:59.620 That's what.

02:07:00.100 And for me to be doing the show and to say, we knew him and we loved him and we had such

02:07:04.000 hope for him and, and adored him. 1.00

02:07:05.640 And we lost him to a fucking drug. 1.00

02:07:08.280 We don't want that. 1.00

02:07:09.320 It was awful.

02:07:10.080 Don't let that happen.

02:07:10.880 Yeah.

02:07:11.600 But, but no.

02:07:12.480 And, and what I was going to say is I know it's only been a couple of months, but so far

02:07:16.180 kept my word.

02:07:17.160 Yes.

02:07:17.540 I believe in you.

02:07:18.980 We all believe in you.

02:07:20.920 But, but, um, but I, but I definitely, um, I want to be back on television.

02:07:26.500 I want to be back on the big screen.

02:07:27.940 I want to be back in people's living rooms.

02:07:29.660 I want to be just engaged in that thing again, because I'm at a place where, um, it's, it's,

02:07:36.900 it's, it's going to matter to me for different reasons and, and, and this time for all the

02:07:44.280 right reasons.

02:07:45.360 Yes.

02:07:46.100 You know, I don't know, Charlie, I feel like you need it and we need it too.

02:07:50.540 Oh, right.

02:07:50.880 I think it's the final piece of the redemption arc that plus the lady, um, plus voting for

02:07:57.960 J.D. Vance and then we can put a bow on it.

02:08:00.360 Right.

02:08:00.780 Right.

02:08:01.280 I mean, I think we're good to go, but listen, we're rooting for you.

02:08:05.200 We love you.

02:08:06.180 Thank you.

02:08:06.580 We're really grateful to you.

02:08:07.380 Thank you so much for being here.

02:08:08.600 Thank you for having me.

02:08:09.880 Oh, I'm honored.

02:08:11.080 Best of luck with everything.

02:08:13.480 Thank you.

02:08:14.120 Oh, my pleasure.

02:08:15.340 Thank you.

02:08:16.600 Charlie Sheen, everybody.

02:08:18.100 Thank you very much.

02:08:20.300 Thank you.

02:08:21.620 Thank you.

02:08:23.080 Don't you love him?

02:08:24.340 And I love you so much.

02:08:26.040 We'll talk to you tomorrow on the show.

02:08:28.220 We'll talk to you on Monday.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 21, 2025

Disaffected Young Men, Michelle Obama's Hair Complaints, and Embracing the Right - Charlie Sheen, VDH, and Jack Posobiec at MK Live ｜ Ep. 1199

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