The Megyn Kelly Show - Disaster Polls For Biden, and Overcoming This Economy With Smart Investing, with Sen. Ted Cruz and Jordan Belfort ｜ Ep. 663

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.860 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:15.080 The political world shaken this weekend by a new poll showing former President Donald Trump leading President Biden in nearly every single battleground state.

00:00:24.700 Trump plus 10 in Nevada, which Joe Biden won the last time, plus six in Georgia, which Joe Biden won the last time, plus five in Michigan and Arizona, both of which Biden won the last time, plus two over Biden in Pennsylvania, which Joe Biden won the last time.

00:00:41.860 The tide is turning and it's turning massively.

00:00:44.380 The Wall Street Journal calling this a five alarm fire for the Democratic Party.

00:00:48.500 The poll leading top Democratic strategist David Axelrod to ask whether it is wise for the president to remain in this race, questioning whether he is doing this for his own ego over what is best for the country.

00:01:02.580 That's David Axelrod, the man who got Obama elected twice, as close as you're going to get to an open call for Joe Biden to step aside.

00:01:10.240 Despite the fact that we are nearly a decade into Donald Trump being part of the political world, some political pundits still think Mr. Trump is leading just because the voters, they just don't understand.

00:01:24.920 Watch.

00:01:26.560 Look, this is a wake up call.

00:01:28.620 This is frightening for not just the Biden White House.

00:01:31.920 I mean, the idea of voting for somebody that's under investigation, even somebody who's been indicted is one thing.

00:01:36.540 Voting for a convicted felon is another thing entirely.

00:01:40.240 This would be a very radical Trump presidency, much more so than even the first one.

00:01:44.960 He's not going to break the law.

00:01:46.660 He's not going to storm the Capitol.

00:01:48.960 And does that sound like we're lowering the bar?

00:01:51.120 Maybe.

00:01:51.980 I find it very, very, very hard to believe that voters will not vote for a president who didn't start an insurrection.

00:01:59.540 77 million people voted for that guy.

00:02:02.100 And if he gets elected in 24, it will only be worse.

00:02:07.300 Joining me now, someone who knows firsthand about running for the White House, including against Donald Trump, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas.

00:02:14.900 He is the author of a perfectly timed new book that we'll dive into in a bit called Unwoke, How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America.

00:02:23.980 Something we're seeing on the streets of America and on college campuses daily these days.

00:02:29.740 Senator Cruz, what a guest for today's topics.

00:02:32.740 Thank you so much for being here.

00:02:34.500 Megan, great to be with you.

00:02:35.400 Thanks for having me.

00:02:36.820 No, no place to start other than that New York Times Siena poll.

00:02:39.780 My God.

00:02:40.260 Thank you so much for having me.

00:03:10.260 That's almost exactly the same message from David Axelrod.

00:03:17.220 Overall numbers here.

00:03:19.480 There are enormous doubts about the president's age.

00:03:22.400 He turns 81 later this month.

00:03:23.820 He's the oldest president in American history.

00:03:26.240 71 percent of the electorate believes he is too old to be an effective president.

00:03:30.100 An opinion shared across every demographic and geographic group, including 54 percent of his own supporters.

00:03:38.160 Only 39 percent believe that about Trump, who's three years younger than Biden.

00:03:42.160 Only 19 percent of Trump supporters think that's true.

00:03:45.900 There is deep dissatisfaction over Biden's handling of the economy and a host of other issues.

00:03:51.400 The economy is by far driving these numbers, but the other issues aren't helping him, like immigration and national security.

00:03:57.740 A majority of the American public says Mr.

00:04:00.140 Biden's policies have personally hurt them, personally hurt them, whereas Trump's helped them.

00:04:06.340 Quote from the Times, the multiracial and multigenerational coalition that elected Joe Biden is fraying seriously.

00:04:15.940 Democratic demographic groups that backed Joe Biden by landslide margins in 2020 now are far more closely contested.

00:04:24.300 Two thirds of the electorate say the United States is going in the wrong direction.

00:04:29.340 Wow. Your thoughts on it?

00:04:31.680 Well, Megan, I think these poll numbers are a manifestation of of the reality of of the Biden record, that the last three years under Joe Biden have been an absolute train wreck.

00:04:41.740 You know, most elections are decided on the classic question, are you better off now than you've been for than you were four years ago?

00:04:48.120 And for virtually any voter in America, the answer is hell no.

00:04:52.460 I mean, I mean, it's not a close question for most voters, unless you happen to be a Mexican drug cartel kingpin, in which case you probably should vote for Joe Biden because your life has gotten much better under Biden.

00:05:05.940 But if you're a young person, your life has gotten much worse, which is why in this poll it shows young people shifting dramatically towards Trump.

00:05:13.760 Or if you're Hispanic or African-American, this poll shows 22 percent of black voters voting Republican, which would be a landmark high water mark. 0.99

00:05:24.260 This shows suburban women coming back to Republicans. 0.90

00:05:27.240 And you look at the record across the board.

00:05:30.100 I mean, I mean, imagine for a second, Megan, you woke up tomorrow and you'd been given the job of being Joe Biden's campaign manager.

00:05:36.720 You can't run on the record.

00:05:38.320 You can't run on the economy because the economy is a mess.

00:05:41.040 We've got record high inflation.

00:05:43.720 Everyone living, the cost of putting food on your table has gone way up.

00:05:47.660 The cost of paying your bills has gone way up.

00:05:50.820 Rent, mortgages, like if you want to buy a new home, forget about it.

00:05:53.780 You've got an 8 percent mortgage instead of a 2 percent mortgage.

00:05:57.080 And that doesn't even begin to cover the cost of things like filling the tank on your car or truck.

00:06:03.680 You put on top of that safety and security.

00:06:06.340 Crime is out of control across this country.

00:06:08.320 8 million people crossing the southern border.

00:06:11.140 People are afraid.

00:06:12.300 They're afraid for the safety of their family.

00:06:14.860 And then on top of all of that, overlay the absolute disaster that is foreign policy.

00:06:21.040 Biden came in and he inherited peace and prosperity.

00:06:24.280 We right now have the largest land war in Europe since World War II.

00:06:29.560 And Israel faced the most significant attack in 50 years.

00:06:34.440 We have war in the Middle East and every region of the world has gotten worse.

00:06:38.400 And so if it were straight up based on the merits, I think the numbers would be an even bigger landslide than that because the Biden record is terrible.

00:06:47.240 It's why the Biden and the Democrats, their strategy is simple.

00:06:50.860 Attack Trump, attack Trump, attack Trump.

00:06:53.420 Trump is the devil is their entire campaign message.

00:06:56.100 And at least these poll numbers show that people are focused on their lives, their families, their kids.

00:07:02.000 And Biden and the Democrats have screwed up the policies concerning all of those.

00:07:06.920 Biden is actually out there saying Bidenomics equals the American dream.

00:07:11.260 It's the American.

00:07:12.380 And no one is buying it.

00:07:14.940 Let me read what David Axelrod tweeted out or posted on X in greater detail.

00:07:19.100 And then I want to give you some of the economic numbers because you tell me how one overcomes these.

00:07:24.620 Axelrod, it's very late to change horses.

00:07:27.000 A lot will happen in the next year that no one can predict, and Biden's team says his resolve to run is firm.

00:07:33.200 He's defied conventional wisdom before, but this will send tremors of doubt through the party.

00:07:38.360 Not bedwetting, but legitimate concern.

00:07:41.320 The greatest concern is that his biggest liability is the one thing he cannot change.

00:07:45.100 Among all the unpredictables, there is one thing that is sure.

00:07:48.040 The age arrow only points in one direction.

00:07:51.640 Goes on to say the stakes of miscalculation here are too dramatic to ignore.

00:07:55.440 Only Joe Biden can make this decision.

00:07:58.100 If he continues to run, he will be the nominee.

00:08:01.140 What he needs to decide is whether that is wise, whether it is in his best interest or the country's.

00:08:07.540 Yes, there's risk associated with changing course now, as there is little time left for a primary campaign.

00:08:14.820 But a lot is a lot.

00:08:16.360 There is a lot of leadership talent in the Democratic Party poised to emerge.

00:08:20.300 No leader can emerge from the Democratic Party, Senator, who's going to change this economy.

00:08:26.600 The money was already spent recklessly and despite many warnings that we couldn't afford it.

00:08:32.680 That's in large part what drove these inflation numbers, opening up drilling from this point to next year is not going to materially change the economic numbers either.

00:08:43.280 The other thing that Joe Biden did, his over-reliance on renewables, which is a failing industry with a refusal to allow drill, the influx of immigration across the southern border. 1.00

00:08:53.000 No Democrat is going to be able to somehow become the nominee and overcome all that.

00:08:59.460 And I will say one more thing before I give you the floor.

00:09:01.260 The economy by a margin of 59 to 37, 59 to 37 voters trust Trump over Biden on the economy.

00:09:08.700 The largest gap of any issue.

00:09:11.160 The gap, the preference for Trump spanned the electorate among men and women, both of them, among those with a college degree and those without every single age range and every single income level.

00:09:25.260 Nearly two times as many voters said economic issues will determine their vote in 2024, as will social issues.

00:09:33.860 And these economic voters favor Trump by, quote, a landslide, that's the Times' word, 60 percent to 32 percent.

00:09:43.240 He's winning over Joe Biden by nearly 30 percentage points on those who say economic issues will determine their vote.

00:09:50.380 And there are way more of those than there are any other kind of voters, Senator.

00:09:54.720 This is just this is devastating.

00:09:57.740 Well, it is.

00:09:58.280 And let me make two observations on that.

00:09:59.880 Number one, you can see Axelrod saying, well, Biden's biggest liability is his age.

00:10:05.720 Well, that's actually not correct.

00:10:06.980 Look, is Joe Biden too old?

00:10:08.580 Absolutely.

00:10:09.160 Is he too mentally diminished to do the job?

00:10:10.960 Absolutely.

00:10:12.000 But that's not why his numbers are as bad as they are.

00:10:14.300 If Kamala Harris were the nominee, her numbers would be worse. 1.00

00:10:18.360 His biggest liability is that his agenda has failed.

00:10:21.420 But look, Axelrod can't say that because that criticism is true of Chuck Schumer and every other Democrat senator that voted party line in favor of the disastrous Biden agenda.

00:10:32.380 So they've got to say it's about his being too old.

00:10:34.980 But look, as you noted, the poll numbers, you have a majority of voters who say their life is worse off because of Biden.

00:10:42.080 That's not his age.

00:10:42.900 That's failed policies.

00:10:44.040 And the economic voters, you know, you remember James Carville famously said, it's the economy, stupid.

00:10:50.200 Well, life has gotten much harder for virtually every American across the country other than tech billionaires and those in positions of power.

00:11:01.120 Lobbyists in Washington are doing great, but working men and women are hurting.

00:11:04.920 Second observation.

00:11:05.720 The fact that it's Axelrod saying this is a big deal.

00:11:09.840 Listen, I'm asked all the time in Texas and all across the country, who's really running things in the White House?

00:11:15.780 Obviously, it's not Biden.

00:11:17.020 I agree with it that it's not Biden.

00:11:19.020 I think at this point, the most likely candidate is Barack Obama, that I think Barack Obama is pulling the strings, has been making the decision, has been behind this huge lurch to the left.

00:11:29.280 And Axelrod is basically Obama's right hand.

00:11:32.740 And what I see this Axelrod tweet as is manifesting that Democrats are getting scared.

00:11:38.460 And something, Megan, that I predicted three months ago on my podcast, as you know, I do a podcast three days a week, Verdict with Ted Cruz.

00:11:45.420 I enjoy it.

00:11:46.440 It's a lot of fun.

00:11:47.840 And we the podcast format, as you know, well, it's a great format because you can really talk about what's happening.

00:11:53.880 Three months ago on the Verdict podcast.

00:11:56.020 And by the way, you ought to subscribe to the Verdict podcast and subscribe to Megan.

00:11:59.380 Listen to us both.

00:12:00.140 But on the on the Verdict podcast, I predicted three months ago, I said the chances are rising dramatically that the Democrats at their convention next summer will dump Joe Biden and parachute in Michelle Obama as the nominee.

00:12:16.240 And I think that would be incredibly dangerous.

00:12:18.720 I don't want to see that happen, but I don't want people to be caught by surprise if and when they do that.

00:12:23.940 And I think Axelrod's step today has just increased the chances of that significantly.

00:12:28.960 OK, that's very interesting, because amazingly, according to the this poll and the New York Times own analysis of its poll, a generic Democrat and Kamala Harris, even Kamala Harris, both fare better than Joe Biden does overall, particularly with black and Hispanic voters.

00:12:49.340 They they made the point, I think, on today's New York Times podcast, The Daily.

00:12:53.540 If Joe Biden simply won over the voters who currently support Kamala Harris over Donald Trump, but who do not support Joe Biden over Donald Trump, all of his problems with young black and Latino voters would go away.

00:13:06.440 Quote, this is a Joe Biden problem.

00:13:08.500 That's at least how the left is looking at it based on this poll.

00:13:12.340 And Michelle Obama is certainly more popular than Kamala Harris.

00:13:16.580 And certainly with those groups that I just was ticking off.

00:13:20.260 So she could be a solution.

00:13:22.420 But you and I both know she hates politics.

00:13:24.620 I mean, the odds of Michelle Obama at this point in her career wanting to get in and save the country from Donald Trump, which, you know, so far she's shown no desire to do, are pretty slim.

00:13:35.560 Am I wrong?

00:13:36.380 Look, I pray you're right.

00:13:37.740 And I think that's the one thing that might save us from that scenario is maybe Michelle says, no, she won't do it.

00:13:43.680 I will note it is a different proposition.

00:13:46.300 She obviously didn't run for president this time around. 0.88

00:13:48.320 I don't think she has any desire to spend two years campaigning for president. 0.99

00:13:51.920 It's a different proposition if you're looking at a convention in the summer that the Democrats are going to hand you the nomination.

00:13:57.860 You've got just a couple of months of campaigning and then the general election and suddenly you wake up and you're president.

00:14:03.200 I don't know that she'll say no to that.

00:14:05.460 There are very few people I think that would say no to that.

00:14:09.080 Maybe she will.

00:14:10.100 I hope she does.

00:14:11.140 And let me give you my reasoning why I think Michelle is the greatest threat. 0.90

00:14:15.500 I think most Democrats recognize that Kamala Harris is a deeply flawed candidate, that she's her her numbers nationally. 0.90

00:14:22.880 She's very unpopular.

00:14:24.480 She she's managed to screw up just about every issue that's given to her, including like Biden named her the border czar, which was not a favor to her.

00:14:32.820 He was not doing it because he liked her.

00:14:34.520 And and she's completely made a mess of our southern border. 1.00

00:14:37.580 I think a lot of Democrats recognize, OK, Kamala would be a really problematic nominee.

00:14:42.900 Now, here's the challenge.

00:14:43.740 If you're a Democrat, if you push Kamala aside for somebody else, and in particular, if you push Kamala aside for a white guy like like Gavin Newsom, I think the Democrats in their party would face a revolt from their party.

00:14:57.280 That would be utterly destructive.

00:14:58.880 I don't think they are physically capable of doing that.

00:15:04.340 And it's why Michelle Obama has such such a powerful appeal, because she's the one Democrat who could push Kamala Harris aside and not cause a civil war within the Democrat Party.

00:15:16.300 And she also, as first lady, has a degree of Teflon where she's got very high positives.

00:15:22.760 She largely stayed out of partisan fights as first lady.

00:15:26.780 Now, listen, I think she's to the left of Obama and she's to the left of Biden, but she's got got much more of a shield of being seen with with with the the favorable views most first ladies are seen as. 0.99

00:15:41.380 And so I think if I were a Democrat strategist, I'd be all over this that this approach if she's willing to do it.

00:15:48.580 And I think I guarantee you there are there are hundreds of top Democrats having this conversation today as they're looking at these poll numbers.

00:15:58.020 They're on their hands and knees begging her right now as as we speak.

00:16:02.660 A couple more pieces from The Times.

00:16:06.300 Two percent of voters in these critical swing states, two percent believe the economy is excellent.

00:16:13.320 Voters under 30, a group that strongly supported Biden in 2020, said they trusted Trump more on the economy.

00:16:18.580 By an extraordinary twenty eight percentage points.

00:16:22.420 My God, voters under 30, Senator, unbelievable.

00:16:25.680 Less than one percent of poll respondents under 30 said the economy is excellent.

00:16:30.180 Zero percentage in Arizona, Nevada and Wisconsin.

00:16:33.880 Believe that zero.

00:16:35.200 Believe that.

00:16:35.680 Here's a couple more voters under 30 favor Joe Biden by one percentage point.

00:16:40.740 Oh, OK, well, it's he's winning.

00:16:42.580 He was winning by more than 20 points in 2020.

00:16:46.420 He's lost 20 percent with the young.

00:16:47.900 Women still favor Joe Biden, but barely that huge that suburban contingent you just referred to has evaporated.

00:16:54.960 Yeah.

00:16:55.280 Men prefer Trump by two times as large a margin.

00:16:58.780 So even if there is a tiny margin with the women, the men's preference for Trump is crushing it.

00:17:03.320 It wipes it entirely out.

00:17:04.820 But it's it's barely there to begin with with the women. 1.00

00:17:07.020 Hispanic voters.

00:17:08.240 Joe Biden's lead is down to single digits in 2020.

00:17:10.420 He won with more than 60 percent, 60 percent.

00:17:14.800 Now, as it leads down to single digits, black voters.

00:17:18.040 Joe Biden won 90 percent of the black vote in 2020.

00:17:20.740 Now Trump is registering 22 percent support, 22 percent, quote, a level unseen in presidential politics for a Republican in modern time.

00:17:31.540 So that means what, 78 percent for supporting Joe Biden down from 90.

00:17:38.180 In fact, they go on to say the more diverse the swing state, the farther Mr.

00:17:41.600 Biden was behind.

00:17:42.380 He led only in the whitest of the six swing states, quote, a remarkable sign of a gradual racial realignment between the two parties.

00:17:51.200 It's so interesting, Senator, because what is Joe Biden done other than obsess over identity politics and race for the past three years?

00:18:00.860 And the answer from Hispanic and black voters is we don't care. 0.99

00:18:05.520 We want the economy to improve.

00:18:07.740 We want you to do better at the border.

00:18:09.020 We want you to actually lead and not focus on our skin color.

00:18:13.000 Well, I think there are at least two things going on there.

00:18:15.460 One for young people. 0.94

00:18:16.580 Look, a lot of young people, most young people have never seen inflation.

00:18:20.360 Inflation hadn't existed for the last 20 years.

00:18:22.580 They didn't know what it was like to see the cost of everything go up.

00:18:25.620 They assumed that inflation stayed at one and two percent forever.

00:18:29.500 They assumed mortgage rates were normal at two and a half percent.

00:18:33.520 You suddenly have, let's say you've got a 25, 30 year old.

00:18:36.900 Maybe they're buying their first house.

00:18:38.320 The house you can buy is about half as big as the house you could have bought four years ago.

00:18:44.040 That's the difference between a two point six percent mortgage and an eight percent mortgage.

00:18:47.920 And they're getting hit in the face with that.

00:18:49.700 They're getting hit in the face.

00:18:51.100 If you're out working and you're having a hard time filling your gas tank, you're having a hard time paying bills, that that is a reality that young people have never confronted before.

00:19:01.000 You know, when you talk about the African-American vote and the Hispanic vote, there is a major political realignment that's been happening for the past 10 years.

00:19:10.480 And there are two demographic trends that are cross-cutting.

00:19:13.920 One is blue collar voters are moving to the right.

00:19:16.800 That's moving Midwest Western states much more Republican.

00:19:20.180 The other is that suburban women have been moving to the left. 1.00

00:19:24.600 That's been moving big suburban states in a more Democrat direction.

00:19:28.860 What you're seeing with many of the African-American and Hispanic voters is they're getting killed economically.

00:19:35.180 And for example, eight million illegal immigrants in this country, a record high that Joe Biden has let in, in addition to all of the safety issues, all of the crime issues which impact low income neighborhoods more, those illegal immigrants are also competing for jobs with legal immigrants, with many people in the Hispanic community, many people in the African-American community who are finding their lives made significantly worse.

00:20:01.900 And the Democrat Party no longer cares, I believe, about blue collar workers.

00:20:07.560 I think with Barack Obama, they made a conscious decision.

00:20:10.820 There were two traditional favored children of the Democrat Party.

00:20:15.560 There were union workers on one hand, and there were California environmentalist billionaires on the other.

00:20:23.980 And Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and now Joe Biden made the decision to go with the California environmentalist billionaires.

00:20:30.860 They wanted the money more and basically screw the union workers, that they trusted the union bosses would deliver their votes.

00:20:38.380 And so to heck with their jobs.

00:20:40.560 And I got to say, I think the single best thing about the Trump presidency, which I enthusiastically supported, is that the Republican Party is becoming more and more a blue collar party.

00:20:51.760 And that's manifested with working people, that's manifested with Hispanics and African-Americans.

00:20:56.700 And it is a generational shift in our political world.

00:21:01.420 Mm hmm.

00:21:01.980 The numbers are Joe Biden's advantage in urban areas is only one half of Trump's advantage in rural areas.

00:21:11.740 So those city blocks that Joe Biden so depends on for his electoral hopes, it is shrinking.

00:21:18.340 The support for him there is shrinking.

00:21:20.640 And Trump's advantage in the rural areas of America is only growing.

00:21:24.460 He's amassing more and more, not to mention suburban areas, college educated and non-college educated voters across all income levels.

00:21:32.480 Say Joe Biden's policies have hurt them personally.

00:21:35.760 As I said, Trump's have helped them.

00:21:37.620 And it's by almost exactly reciprocal numbers.

00:21:40.100 They gave Trump a 17 point advantage for having helped them.

00:21:42.960 They gave Biden an 18 point disadvantage for having hurt them.

00:21:46.740 This is truly disastrous.

00:21:48.960 I mean, this that this is what makes David Axelrod tweet the way he did.

00:21:52.320 Yeah.

00:21:52.480 Other issues.

00:21:53.520 Immigration, Trump over Biden by 12 points.

00:21:56.360 National security, Trump over Biden by 12 points.

00:22:00.760 Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

00:22:02.520 And this poll was taken after it started.

00:22:04.280 It was taken between October 22nd and November 3rd.

00:22:07.580 Trump over Biden by 11 points.

00:22:10.640 Abortion and democracy are the only two issues on which Joe Biden leads.

00:22:14.420 Abortion by nine points.

00:22:15.680 Democracy, you know, whatever that means, by three points.

00:22:18.980 Even Senator Cruz on temperament.

00:22:22.000 Right.

00:22:22.280 This has been Trump's biggest Achilles heel all along.

00:22:26.240 Forty six percent of voters say Joe Biden has the proper temperament.

00:22:29.060 Just forty six.

00:22:29.840 Not even half the electorate believes it.

00:22:31.680 That's barely higher than the forty three percent who say Trump has the proper temperament.

00:22:36.960 They're almost tied on temperament.

00:22:39.920 This is what the Dems are now saying that I saw it on Morning Joe.

00:22:43.800 I saw it in The New York Times.

00:22:45.440 I heard it on The Daily.

00:22:47.360 It's a long way off.

00:22:48.900 It's a year away.

00:22:50.680 And Joe Biden had terrible approval numbers when they went into the midterms in 2022.

00:22:54.940 And the Dems still won bigger than had been expected.

00:22:59.420 And by the time we get to November 2024, Trump will have had four, you know, three or four

00:23:05.100 of the criminal trials will have been completed or will be underway.

00:23:08.340 And at that point, he's going to be a convicted felon.

00:23:11.880 Mark our words.

00:23:12.580 He's going to be a convicted felon.

00:23:14.080 And the American people will not vote for a convicted felon, which, I mean, frankly,

00:23:18.520 could be true.

00:23:19.380 But here's some here's some data.

00:23:21.780 The New York Times, Jonathan Swan and Maggie Hammerman have a piece saying if the former

00:23:26.100 president is convicted and sentenced around six percent of voters across Arizona, Georgia,

00:23:31.260 Michigan, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, those same swing swing states say they would

00:23:35.380 switch their votes to Mr.

00:23:36.600 Biden.

00:23:37.240 So there it is.

00:23:38.340 In black and white, the electoral strategy back to Trump's claims of electoral interference.

00:23:43.180 It's right there.

00:23:44.160 Black and white.

00:23:44.960 They're ace in the hole.

00:23:46.520 Well, it is naked what the Democrats are doing, which is they're abusing the justice

00:23:50.780 system to try to try to defeat their principal political opponent.

00:23:54.500 And I think these indictments are garbage.

00:23:57.800 I think they're going to be overturned on appeal.

00:23:59.400 But I agree with you.

00:24:00.200 There's a very significant risk of jury convictions.

00:24:03.180 And I think the appeal won't happen until after Election Day.

00:24:05.840 And the Democrats are doing this.

00:24:08.180 Number one, I think they recognize that the indictments help Trump in the primary.

00:24:11.960 His numbers go up every time he's indicted.

00:24:13.760 His numbers in the primary go up.

00:24:15.660 But I think the Democrats believe that these indictments, when they become convictions, will

00:24:20.520 hurt him in the general.

00:24:21.700 Now, I don't know if that's true or not.

00:24:23.500 This is unprecedented.

00:24:24.520 We've never seen anything like this.

00:24:26.300 Now, this is the kind of weaponization of the justice system that we see in banana republics. 0.99

00:24:31.680 I think a lot of people understand that they're trying to destroy their political opponents

00:24:35.960 instead of beating them at the polls.

00:24:37.480 And ironically, why are the Democrats doing this?

00:24:40.520 Because they don't trust democracy.

00:24:42.420 You know, you mentioned those democracy numbers, which has become a talking point for woke lefties

00:24:47.740 about we defend democracy, except when it comes to the presidential election, where they

00:24:52.600 don't trust the voters and they want to try to put the other candidate in jail in order

00:24:56.880 to stop the voters from not voting for their guy.

00:25:00.120 I mean, it really is contempt for democracy that characterizes this Biden Justice Department.

00:25:07.160 And I'll tell you, Megan, all of this is discussed in my new book, which is coming

00:25:10.860 out tomorrow. As you noted, the book is entitled Unwoke, How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America.

00:25:18.040 And it describes how the radical left has seized every major institution of our nation and is

00:25:25.420 weaponizing it. And the book explains why it happened, how it happened. But critically,

00:25:30.080 it also lays out common sense steps we can take to fight back and take our institutions back.

00:25:36.140 I mean, it's the only glimmer of hope in the Israeli situation that people here are waking 0.99

00:25:44.820 up to the dangers of this woke agenda being pushed at colleges and beyond. Let's face it,

00:25:51.200 the DEI programs in corporate America and beyond, too. They're pernicious and they have real world

00:25:56.700 effects that we're seeing with our own eyes, Senator. It's it's manifesting on the streets

00:26:02.280 of America. We I'll show you this. I mentioned in the intro. This is a montage of protests at the

00:26:08.780 White House over the weekend, Saturday night, where they're yelling Allahu Akbar as they try

00:26:14.940 to scale the White House fence. Watch this.

00:26:21.440 White House, White House, White House.

00:26:25.440 Black woman. 0.99

00:26:27.240 Black man. Black man. Black man. 0.97

00:26:32.660 Gynaissance is going on! Gynaissance are going on! 1.00

00:26:40.120 Wow alright!

00:26:42.820 Cro único, Mensch, Howard.

00:26:47.900 Cover apart us ourselves,

00:26:50.360 I'm sorry, but there's something chilling about hearing that call, which the 9-11 terrorists

00:27:11.820 are screaming as they flew those planes into the Trade Center right outside of our White

00:27:16.220 House, seeing our White House within steps of these fanatics who invariably have come

00:27:21.960 out of these college campus indoctrination programs.

00:27:26.660 Well, look, that is exactly right.

00:27:28.940 And this is a manifestation of the radicalism that has seized our institutions.

00:27:34.960 The reason I wrote the book Unwoke is many of us look at the country and we're wondering

00:27:39.080 what the hell happened?

00:27:40.040 We look at these images.

00:27:40.900 We're like, how did we get to this point?

00:27:42.820 And in the book, I wanted to explain it.

00:27:45.720 And it starts with chapter one is universities, which I call the Wuhan lab of the woke virus. 0.98

00:27:54.100 It's where the virus was created.

00:27:57.100 It's where it mutated.

00:27:58.760 It's where it spread.

00:28:00.720 And what happened starting in the 1960s and 70s is that Marxists took over our college faculties,

00:28:07.320 took over our college administrations.

00:28:09.500 And Marxism, Karl Marx laid out a fundamental conflict that we are irredeemably in a conflict

00:28:16.660 between oppressors and victims.

00:28:18.420 And he based it on socioeconomic divides.

00:28:21.180 So the oppressors were the owners of capital and the victims were the workers, the proletariat. 0.73

00:28:26.480 And Marx's solution, what Marxists call for, is the violent revolution by the proletariat

00:28:32.620 to overthrow their oppressors and use government to forcibly redistribute to the victims.

00:28:38.840 And what I then describe is how it began in universities and it spread to take over just

00:28:44.060 about every other major institution in America.

00:28:46.300 So it went from universities to the next chapter is K through 12 elementary and high school education.

00:28:52.860 From there, it went to journalism.

00:28:55.060 From there to big business, to big tech, to entertainment, to Hollywood, movies, TV, sports,

00:29:01.560 music, to science.

00:29:04.280 And if you look at what cultural Marxists do is they use the Marxist lens and they apply

00:29:12.300 it to cultural factors.

00:29:13.860 So instead of looking at socioeconomic divides, they use race.

00:29:18.780 And that's where you get critical race theory, that the answer is to tear down the oppressors

00:29:22.840 and forcibly redistribute to the victims.

00:29:25.440 When it comes to gender and gender ideology, again, they apply it to those issues and the

00:29:31.620 radical transgender agenda.

00:29:33.720 And a couple of weeks ago, I was sitting down with a very successful tech entrepreneur in

00:29:39.120 Silicon Valley who leans quite left.

00:29:41.700 And he was expressing befuddlement, bewilderment at the radical anti-Semitism and blatant hatred

00:29:50.680 of Israel we're seeing in the Democrat Party and the squad we're seeing on college campuses

00:29:55.780 and universities.

00:29:56.480 And he said he didn't understand where this came from.

00:29:59.600 And my response is, this is the direct result of the cultural Marxists because for the cultural

00:30:07.300 Marxists, they have coded Jews as oppressors and they have coded the Palestinians as victims.

00:30:16.240 And so their solution is the violent revolutionary overthrow of the oppressors and government

00:30:23.460 redistributing.

00:30:24.980 And that's why you see now in the White House, they're chanting from the river to the sea,

00:30:30.800 which is what Hamas chants.

00:30:32.340 That means from the Jordan River to the ocean.

00:30:34.480 That is a call for eliminating the state of Israel, for killing every one of the Jews. 0.96

00:30:41.420 No, no, according to Rashida Tlaib, that's just an aspirational call.

00:30:44.900 It's just a little inspo.

00:30:46.680 I think we have it.

00:30:47.560 Do we not?

00:30:48.060 Do we have Rashida Tlaib on here? 0.82

00:30:49.960 In any event, she was out there saying it's just aspirational.

00:30:53.180 That's all it is.

00:30:53.900 If we have it, let's play it.

00:30:56.700 We stand with Israel.

00:31:02.480 This is the video she posted with it.

00:31:04.220 Stand by.

00:31:05.800 Mr. President, the American people are not with you on this one.

00:31:08.700 Innocent civilians are going to be hurt going forward.

00:31:16.440 I wish I could tell you something different.

00:31:18.340 I wish that that wasn't going to happen.

00:31:20.740 But it is going to happen.

00:31:23.360 I want to thank President Biden for his unequivocal support.

00:31:26.660 We will remember in 2024.

00:31:28.860 And then it reads Joe Biden supported the genocide of the of the Palestinian people.

00:31:36.100 The American people won't forget.

00:31:37.360 This is her Biden support a ceasefire.

00:31:39.160 Now this is her video or don't count us in 2024.

00:31:42.680 And then she tweeted, Senator, from the river to the sea is an aspirational call for freedom,

00:31:48.240 human rights and peaceful coexistence, not death, destruction or hate.

00:31:52.780 It's strange because I heard it being used by Hamas as they were murdering children.

00:31:56.500 So it didn't really seem like a peaceful call to me.

00:31:58.880 But, you know, she might know better than I.

00:32:01.120 Well, look, Megan, you're exactly right.

00:32:02.800 And you've also seen the video right after the October 7th massacre,

00:32:06.300 where Rashida Tlaib was walking down the hallway in the Capitol.

00:32:10.480 And a reporter asked, what are your views on Hamas targeting innocent civilians,

00:32:16.940 raping and murdering women and little girls, murdering infants, burning them alive?

00:32:22.780 And she refused to answer.

00:32:24.480 And understand, for the cultural Marxist and Rashida Tlaib is the embodiment of cultural Marxism,

00:32:31.580 violent revolution is what they support.

00:32:34.620 She refused to condemn.

00:32:36.180 It ought to be real simple to say, do not target civilians.

00:32:39.660 This is grotesque.

00:32:40.920 This is evil.

00:32:41.820 This is wrong.

00:32:42.900 But she won't do that.

00:32:44.740 And for the left, the people on college campuses, look at Harvard, my alma mater,

00:32:50.400 35 student groups signed a statement saying all of the violence is 100 percent Israel's fault.

00:32:57.180 They have been brainwashed.

00:32:59.220 They have been indoctrinated.

00:33:00.980 And so the book Unwoke is designed, number one, to explain what happened and how it happened.

00:33:09.020 But number two, to lay out concrete steps to fight back, to take our institutions back.

00:33:15.620 So, for example, there's a chapter on big business.

00:33:19.320 And a decade ago, it would have been unimaginable that the Fortune 100 was operating as the economic

00:33:26.300 enforcement arm for the radical left.

00:33:28.880 That's what we have been seeing now as big business cancels people, fires people, censors

00:33:33.940 people, has gone fully woke.

00:33:37.620 And yet, in the chapter on big business, I do a deep dive into what happened with Bud Light

00:33:43.680 and what happened with Target.

00:33:45.740 And you look at Bud Light.

00:33:47.060 I don't think there's been a brand in modern times that has lit itself on fire as much as

00:33:52.240 Bud Light, where you had these woke left wing marketing executives who looked down on their

00:33:57.820 customers.

00:33:58.280 They thought their customers were ignorant rubes and they ridiculed and insulted them.

00:34:05.220 And Bud Light was the number one selling beer in America.

00:34:08.040 It dropped out of the top 10.

00:34:10.060 They lost nearly 30 billion dollars in market value.

00:34:14.320 And what's interesting, right after Bud Light happened, Target occurred.

00:34:17.220 And you look at Target, which lots of people go to buy inexpensive quality goods.

00:34:22.940 And Target decided that wasn't their mission.

00:34:24.880 Their mission was to become the front line of the transgender culture wars. 1.00

00:34:30.940 And so they had huge displays in the front of the store pushing LGBT items on young people, 0.86

00:34:37.380 on kids.

00:34:38.340 Tuck it bathing suits.

00:34:39.360 Tuck it bathing suits.

00:34:40.440 Women's bathing suits where you could tuck a penis into them, which is unnecessary for any 1.00

00:34:44.320 woman.

00:34:44.560 And by the way, those bathing suits were marketed to two and three-year-olds.

00:34:48.460 It's literally a three-year-old boy to tuck your genitals in. 0.99

00:34:52.020 They deny it, but it's true. 1.00

00:34:53.240 We just documented it on Friday with the swim skirt that is being pushed on boys who want

00:34:58.480 to dress like girls at the pool.

00:34:59.900 And what happened so powerfully is millions of moms came in and saw this and got pissed 0.99

00:35:07.220 off.

00:35:08.540 And Target, likewise, lost tens of billions of dollars.

00:35:11.580 Now, here's what's really encouraging.

00:35:12.720 If you look at the conversations of the Target executives, what they were saying right at

00:35:18.380 the outset of this scandal is, oh, dear God, we don't want to become like Bud Light.

00:35:22.940 That is a powerful indication.

00:35:25.200 Look, the problem, why did corporate America go woke?

00:35:28.880 Because the cost and benefit was imbalanced.

00:35:32.560 That a rational CEO, it was easier to give in to the woke mob than to try to resist them.

00:35:39.080 And so they did that over and over again.

00:35:41.100 And I think what we are seeing is changing the cost and benefits.

00:35:45.340 I don't want corporations getting involved in politics on my side.

00:35:48.860 I want them to stay the hell out and sell their widgets. 0.79

00:35:52.840 Like, you know, when you go to Target, you want to get cheap, decent goods for your house.

00:35:58.820 You want to buy a big box of detergent.

00:36:00.340 You don't want their politics jammed down on your children.

00:36:03.560 And I do think the more we can change the cost benefit analysis, the more we can take

00:36:09.100 these institutions back.

00:36:11.920 I swear it's so offensive to have to see that sort of male attempt at co-opting womanhood

00:36:19.820 in your face as you walk into Target to get art supplies.

00:36:24.200 It's no wonder that there was backlash to that group.

00:36:27.000 And the CEO was on CNBC on Friday trying to downplay it.

00:36:30.700 Wrong.

00:36:31.400 He lied even there trying to.

00:36:33.140 But it's to your point.

00:36:34.380 Maybe it's good.

00:36:35.040 He feels the need to lie because he realized he stepped in it.

00:36:38.660 Senator Cruz stays with us by his book on woke.

00:36:42.000 Very few have the power with the word things the way Ted Cruz does.

00:36:45.500 I think you'll really enjoy it because he knows how to tell a story.

00:36:48.100 Talks about his dad in Cuba and some mistakes he made when he came here to the United States

00:36:52.120 about believing in Fidel Castro, only to learn the hard way that he wasn't as great as he thought.

00:36:56.840 But some very really revealing anecdotes in there.

00:37:00.060 And Senator Cruz stays with us after this break.

00:37:02.280 So don't go away.

00:37:06.540 Back with me now, Texas Senator Ted Cruz.

00:37:09.620 Well, technically, he's a U.S. senator from Texas.

00:37:11.980 Ted Cruz, his new book is out tomorrow.

00:37:13.840 It's called Unwoke, How to Defeat Cultural Marxism in America.

00:37:19.500 You've heard that term bandied about.

00:37:20.860 This book defines it, contextualizes it, explains it, and shows you how it's infested the United States in a way only Ted Cruz could do.

00:37:29.500 I mean, not only is he an expert on this, but he used to be the Solicitor General.

00:37:32.960 He's argued all sorts of cases before the Supreme Court.

00:37:35.420 He's become a U.S. senator.

00:37:37.000 He's got a top podcast.

00:37:38.340 He's a busy man.

00:37:39.140 But he wants you to understand this message because it's an important one.

00:37:42.020 One of the problems in creating the spread of this problem, this pernicious virus that created in the college campuses, as you say, like like the virus in Wuhan, is the media and its assistance on these messages.

00:37:55.500 And there's no better example of that today than ABC News and its chief White House correspondent.

00:38:02.380 You're not going to believe this.

00:38:03.880 Called to my attention on Twitter by Molly Hemingway of The Federalist.

00:38:07.500 And this is how Molly put it when she retweeted this picture.

00:38:10.160 Molly says, if you're trained to notice subtleties, you can detect an ever so slight difference in how corporate media talk about left wing protests versus right wing ones.

00:38:20.660 And this from Mary Bruce, again, chief White House correspondent for ABC, reads the White House gates this morning after passionate protests over the weekend, showing the gates leading under the White House grounds covered in what we know is fake blood.

00:38:36.400 And the handprints of those rowdy, obnoxious pro-Palestinian protesters who were trying to scale the White House fence with their Palestinian flags.

00:38:47.160 They're very passionate, Senator, very passionate.

00:38:49.800 I mean, I guess they're not going to have the FBI showing up at their houses or wind up on a no fly list like some of the passionate insurrectionists, according to ABC, who participated on January 6th.

00:39:01.400 Well, you know, there is one of the most important chapters in the book on woke is the chapter on journalism, because I think journalism has been fundamentally destroyed.

00:39:13.740 I think Donald Trump broke the media and and, you know, you know, go back a decade ago.

00:39:20.740 So a decade ago, you take take a network like CNN.

00:39:26.820 I used to go on CNN all the time.

00:39:28.820 I'd go on CNN about once a week and CNN a decade ago.

00:39:33.160 They wanted to be journalists.

00:39:34.740 If you ask them, they aspire to be journalists and they viewed it as part of their job to present both sides, to be even handed, to cover the news.

00:39:43.220 Now, they were terrible at it.

00:39:44.140 They leaned hard left, but but they that was an objective that that they were legitimately inspiring to.

00:39:51.120 So I would go on literally once a week on CNN.

00:39:54.960 When Trump became president, it shattered the brain of the corporate media.

00:40:00.940 CNN is a garbage network that they are not.

00:40:04.520 They don't aspire to cover both sides.

00:40:06.680 They have a panel of five people.

00:40:08.680 Let's all discuss how Donald Trump is the devil.

00:40:11.280 And that's the only view.

00:40:12.200 They view their role now as propagandists, that they are they're not just advocates and they're not just Democrats.

00:40:20.040 They are the left wing of the Democrat Party.

00:40:22.640 So on my podcast verdict, we did an episode a couple of weeks ago that was entitled CNN is Hamas's Air Force. 0.67

00:40:32.860 So is MSNBC.

00:40:34.700 So is ABC.

00:40:35.660 And we played about a dozen different clips of their coverage.

00:40:39.360 And this is not just incidental.

00:40:41.680 This is actually an integral part of Hamas's strategy. 0.83

00:40:46.240 Hamas knows they're not strong enough to defeat Israel.

00:40:49.200 So, for example, and Rashida Tlaib played the White House saying there will be civilian casualties.

00:40:55.160 Tragically, we know that.

00:40:56.440 Why?

00:40:57.240 Because Hamas wants there to be civilian casualties.

00:41:00.040 They use human shields of Palestinians.

00:41:03.080 They put their headquarters in the basement of a Palestinian hospital.

00:41:07.380 They put rockets and missiles in kindergartens in Gaza because they know Israel only targets military targets.

00:41:15.440 They go to extraordinary lengths to avoid civilian casualties more than any military on the face of the planet.

00:41:22.000 But Hamas wants dead Palestinian women, dead Palestinian babies, because they know the corporate media will use those images, amplify them, and use them to demonize Israel.

00:41:35.220 And that's an integral part of their strategy.

00:41:39.780 It is also why, if you look at the Democrats and you say, why did they go so extreme?

00:41:44.520 Why do they embrace things like abolishing the police or open borders or, you know, genital mutilation surgeries for eight-year-olds?

00:41:52.720 I mean, those are really loopy out there positions.

00:41:56.040 They're 90-10 issues where they're on the wrong side.

00:41:59.400 The reason why Democrats embrace them now is because journalism is so broken that they know they'll never be asked about them.

00:42:06.620 They'll never be held to account.

00:42:08.720 And so the politicization and radicalization of the news media has made Democrats captive to the radical left,

00:42:19.820 where Democrats in Congress are much more worried about being primaried from the left than they are about losing in the general election,

00:42:27.260 because the media no longer actually even tries to be journalists.

00:42:32.460 And I think that's terrible.

00:42:33.860 Listen, I have defended many times people who criticize me all the time.

00:42:39.520 You have a right to criticize me.

00:42:40.940 That's free speech.

00:42:41.800 I believe in democracy.

00:42:43.120 I believe in free speech.

00:42:45.200 The left does not anymore.

00:42:46.920 And the consequences, the chapter on journalism, I think, is really significant because it is causing much of the radicalism in so many other institutions.

00:42:57.980 I mean, I was glad to see finally in The New York Times a piece on November 3rd calling attention to the fact that one of the reasons they can't get people out of Gaza, 0.99

00:43:06.180 you know, the the humanitarian exit of, let's say, dual U.S. citizen slash Israeli passport holders who have found themselves over there,

00:43:14.780 is because Hamas keeps trying to put its wounded soldiers on the innocent, injured Palestinian lists.

00:43:23.380 And Israel and international authorities are checking these lists before they let people leave.

00:43:27.660 And they keep trying to put their terrorists on the list.

00:43:30.360 And thankfully, Israel is checking it, saying, no, we have enough intel to know who that guy is and who that guy is.

00:43:36.540 But you don't hear Angelina Jolie tweeting about that.

00:43:40.500 Right.

00:43:40.700 She's only talking about how it's it's you know, we're bombing innocent civilians without any care for life.

00:43:47.000 There needs to be a ceasefire collective punishment.

00:43:49.660 Why don't you put the blame where it belongs?

00:43:51.380 Because she's wrapped up.

00:43:52.820 She's a U.N. 0.92

00:43:53.580 Look, the U.N. hates Israel.

00:43:59.680 They are anti-Semitic.

00:44:00.820 The Hollywood left hates Israel.

00:44:02.700 They're anti-Semitic.

00:44:04.200 My whole chapter in Hollywood talks about the same thing, how they are viciously pushing an agenda, pushing an agenda that that that is Marxism.

00:44:13.660 And some people may think, gosh, Marxism, that that's that seems extreme.

00:44:16.940 It is.

00:44:18.620 Listen, when it comes to for me, Marxism is not something abstract.

00:44:23.000 It is real and personal.

00:44:24.720 You know, you talked about how I opened the book.

00:44:26.380 I opened the book telling my family story that my father fought in the Cuban Revolution.

00:44:32.000 He fought in Cuba when he was 14 and 15 years old.

00:44:34.960 He was fighting alongside Castro and he was imprisoned.

00:44:39.060 He was tortured in Cuba and he fled Cuba.

00:44:41.140 He came to America. 0.63

00:44:41.880 And my dad has said he said the revolution in Cuba, it consisted almost entirely of 14 and 15 year old boys who didn't know any better.

00:44:51.840 And Marxists always start with the children.

00:44:54.820 This is true in Cuba, in Venezuela, in Russia, in China.

00:44:58.800 Everywhere you have Marxists in power, they start with the children because children and teenagers, they're naive, they're idealistic, they're easily deceived.

00:45:06.960 They have no life experience.

00:45:08.760 And a story that I tell right at the outset of the book also is a story my grandmother, my abuela, told me.

00:45:15.600 She was a sixth grade teacher.

00:45:17.420 And she said when Castro took over, very early on, they sent the soldiers into the elementary schools and the soldiers would go into kindergartens and first grades.

00:45:28.880 And they tell all the students, they'd say, close your eyes and pray to God and pray for candy.

00:45:34.500 And the kids all did so and they opened their eyes and there was no candy.

00:45:39.260 Then the soldiers would say, close your eyes and pray to Fidel Castro for candy.

00:45:46.000 And while the kids' eyes were closed, the soldiers quietly slipped a piece of candy on each one of their desks.

00:45:52.720 That is Marxism.

00:45:54.260 That is inherent in Marxism.

00:45:55.740 They want to destroy your allegiance to everything except the state.

00:46:00.900 They want to destroy your allegiance to God.

00:46:02.740 It's why they hate religion so powerfully.

00:46:05.000 They want to destroy your allegiance to family, to your parents, to your kids.

00:46:09.660 It's why they encourage kids to rat out their parents.

00:46:13.040 And if you see that the cultural Marxists today, they are coming after the family unit.

00:46:19.920 And take something like Black Lives Matter.

00:46:21.580 Let's connect it again to what's happening right here today.

00:46:24.120 Black Lives Matter, the institutions.

00:46:27.340 Look, the phrase Black Lives Matter is unequivocally true. 0.87

00:46:30.080 It is a truism.

00:46:30.940 Absolutely.

00:46:31.620 Yes.

00:46:31.920 Period.

00:46:32.280 Full stop.

00:46:33.920 The organization Black Lives Matter, Inc., which is actually an incorporated organization,

00:46:39.940 was founded by avowed Marxists, by trained Marxist organizers.

00:46:45.040 And they're vicious racists, but they're also viciously anti-Semitic.

00:46:50.000 One of the co-founders of Black Lives Matter has called, going back for more than a decade,

00:46:54.920 has called for the destruction of the state of Israel.

00:46:58.140 Now, here's an interesting connection.

00:47:00.580 When we had the Black Lives Matter riots across the country, we saw a bunch of big corporations 0.98

00:47:05.380 give millions and millions of dollars to these Marxists.

00:47:08.800 And so on my podcast verdict, I went through and I listed the corporations, corporations

00:47:13.860 like Apple and Amazon and Coca-Cola.

00:47:16.960 And I said, do you support this anti-Semitic Marxist organization that calls for the destruction

00:47:23.160 of Israel?

00:47:23.760 Now, listen to this, Megan.

00:47:24.620 It's interesting.

00:47:25.940 That podcast episode I released on October 18th.

00:47:28.960 But the next day, Coca-Cola deleted all of the references on its website to the $500,000

00:47:37.200 that it had given to Black Lives Matter because they wanted to escape accountability.

00:47:41.800 Now, that shows the interconnection of all this, but it also shows how we change it and

00:47:46.180 take it back, that when you hold them accountable and shine a light on them, that's how you make

00:47:51.340 it, you increase the costs of going woke.

00:47:54.360 See, what you failed to understand was those two were merely passionate protests.

00:48:02.120 That's what those were.

00:48:02.960 They were passionate.

00:48:04.080 They weren't violent.

00:48:05.640 No one got hurt.

00:48:06.780 Not like the awful J6 riot insurrection. 1.00

00:48:10.000 OK, totally different.

00:48:12.000 Senator Ted Cruz stays with us.

00:48:13.640 We're going to get to a personal story.

00:48:15.500 I've got one that matches his when it comes to the attempts to indoctrinate the children

00:48:19.520 first.

00:48:20.620 It sounds like both of our daughters have gone through something very similar.

00:48:23.740 That's next.

00:48:24.680 More with Senator Ted Cruz in one minute, author of the great new book, Unwoke.

00:48:29.720 Check it out now.

00:48:31.080 Support Senator Ted Cruz.

00:48:32.480 And he's got solutions in there to undo this madness, solutions that are very timely.

00:48:37.540 Don't go away.

00:48:42.000 As we watch the increase in severity of this Mideast conflict, we're watching an increase

00:48:47.260 in the terror warnings to those of us here at home.

00:48:50.060 And a lot of folks missed Christopher Wray, the FBI director's testimony before Congress

00:48:54.040 last week.

00:48:54.560 But Senator Ted Cruz was not one of them.

00:48:56.840 He had some dire warnings.

00:48:59.400 I don't think I'm overstating the case when he was talking about the increase in terrorism

00:49:04.840 threats right here to the homeland.

00:49:07.220 Here's a bit of what he said.

00:49:08.060 The reality is that the terrorism threat has been elevated throughout 2023, but the ongoing

00:49:14.960 war in the Middle East has raised the threat of an attack against Americans in the United

00:49:19.960 States to a whole nother level.

00:49:22.180 We assess that the actions of Hamas and its allies will serve as an inspiration, the likes 1.00

00:49:28.880 of which we haven't seen since ISIS launched its so-called caliphate several years ago.

00:49:34.980 In just the past few weeks, multiple foreign terrorist organizations have called for attacks

00:49:41.200 against Americans and the West.

00:49:43.760 We also cannot and do not discount the possibility that Hamas or another foreign terrorist organization

00:49:51.920 may exploit the current conflict to conduct attacks here on our own soil.

00:49:57.940 So the threat of terrorism here in the United States is at a whole nother level, is how he

00:50:02.440 put it, as a result of this conflict.

00:50:04.460 Maybe that will sink into the head of these people who are out there trying to tear down

00:50:07.920 the posters of the Israeli hostages saying it's all propaganda.

00:50:10.920 It didn't happen.

00:50:11.760 We're pro-Hamas, LGBTQ crowd for Hamas. 1.00

00:50:15.760 They have no clue what they're stirring up.

00:50:19.080 But I know this caught your eye, too, Christopher Wray's warning, which was in rather stark terms

00:50:23.940 for him.

00:50:25.460 Well, it was.

00:50:26.660 And listen, let me just say at the outset here that I think we are at a greater risk today

00:50:31.820 of a major terrorist attack in the United States than we've been at any point since September

00:50:36.500 11th.

00:50:37.880 And tragically, I think we're living on borrowed time.

00:50:41.760 And it's a combination of two things.

00:50:44.000 Number one, the war in the Middle East.

00:50:46.740 And to be clear, Joe Biden has funded this war.

00:50:49.640 He sent over $100 billion to Iran.

00:50:53.120 And Iran is the leading state sponsor of terrorism.

00:50:56.140 Iran is funding Hamas. 0.57

00:50:57.440 Iran funds Hezbollah.

00:50:59.660 And Obama before him sent $100 billion to Iran.

00:51:03.460 They are providing the capital that is funding the death squads, that is funding the rockets.

00:51:09.360 But when you combine that with the utter chaos of our southern border, more than 8 million

00:51:15.920 illegal immigrants.

00:51:16.760 I was down at the southern border two weeks ago.

00:51:18.700 I went out on midnight patrol with the border patrol agents, which I do frequently.

00:51:23.600 Every one of those agents is concerned about terrorists coming across the southern border.

00:51:29.000 And we've seen in the last year, the number of individuals on the terror watch list apprehended

00:51:35.320 at the border is more than the previous six years combined.

00:51:39.640 And it's an order of magnitude.

00:51:40.980 It's much, much, much more.

00:51:42.860 But that's actually not the number that concerns me.

00:51:45.580 The number that concerns me is 2 million.

00:51:48.380 2 million is the number of gotaways.

00:51:50.920 Those are the people that the border patrol knows about, but they didn't apprehend.

00:51:54.840 And the reason is the people who turn themselves into the border patrol agents.

00:51:58.760 Those are the main apprehensions Biden has.

00:52:01.220 The gotaways tend to be criminals.

00:52:03.500 They're murderers.

00:52:04.140 They're rapists.

00:52:04.740 They're child molesters.

00:52:05.900 They tend to be gang members affiliated with MS-13 or other gangs.

00:52:09.640 Or terrorists.

00:52:11.740 And I'll tell you, the Customs and Border Patrol in San Diego informed its agents in writing

00:52:17.520 to be on guard for terrorists from Hamas, from Hezbollah, and from Palestinian Islamic Jihad,

00:52:24.020 crossing our southern border and pretending they're not from those terrorist organizations.

00:52:28.900 And I think Joe Biden has essentially issued an invitation for these terrorists to come to America.

00:52:35.560 And I think every American, our lives and safety are seriously compromised.

00:52:42.580 I pray we do not see the kind of violence Israel has experienced, that horrific terrorist violence.

00:52:48.640 I pray we do not see it in America.

00:52:50.940 But every day Biden leaves the southern border open is a day the chances increase more and more.

00:52:57.340 That's not just us.

00:52:58.660 France and Belgium have both raised their terror alert levels.

00:53:03.080 Europe's looking at this problem, maybe even more so than the United States, given the number of Muslims 1.00

00:53:08.580 that have immigrated to those countries over the past 10 plus years as they've had an open border situation

00:53:13.260 in places like Germany, too.

00:53:15.360 It's something a lot of countries are going to need to take a look at.

00:53:19.060 And we've seen attacks in France of a woman in her home.

00:53:22.200 There's been a rising list of Jews who've gotten attached, innocent people sitting in their homes.

00:53:27.940 It's dark.

00:53:28.940 You mentioned Obama.

00:53:31.100 Unbelievably, he chose not just to weigh in via tweet and then statement the other day,

00:53:36.600 but he went on Pod Save America, which is his old buddies who helped work on his in his White House,

00:53:43.060 their podcast and actually tried to blame what's happening in the Middle East.

00:53:47.500 Not not not on himself, that would be totally appropriate, but on all of us, we're all complicit.

00:53:53.180 Listen to this, Senator.

00:53:55.580 If there's any chance of us being able to act constructively to do something.

00:54:03.820 It will require an admission of complexity.

00:54:07.360 And maintaining what on the surface may seem contradictory ideas.

00:54:15.340 That what Hamas did was horrific and there's no justification for it. 0.98

00:54:21.560 And what is also true is that the occupation and what's happening to Palestinians is unbearable.

00:54:38.260 That all of us are complicit to some degree.

00:54:44.680 I look at this and I think back, what could I have done during my presidency to move this forward as hard as I tried?

00:54:53.900 I've got the scars to prove it.

00:54:55.940 But there's a part of me that's still saying, well, was there something else I could have done?

00:55:02.480 Gee, Senator, could you help him out?

00:55:04.960 What utter and complete bullshit.

00:55:07.480 Was there something else you could have done?

00:55:09.360 And here's an idea.

00:55:10.720 Don't give $100 billion to the monsters who are committing these massacres.

00:55:16.900 Barack Obama led the effort to flood cash into Iran.

00:55:21.360 The Ayatollah in Iran leads mobs chanting death to America and death to Israel.

00:55:27.960 They want to commit mass murder.

00:55:30.060 They want to eliminate the state of Israel.

00:55:33.100 They want to murder every Jew. 0.98

00:55:36.100 Hamas, more than 90% of the funding of Hamas comes from Iran.

00:55:39.660 Hezbollah, more than 90% of the funding from Hezbollah comes from Iran.

00:55:43.980 Barack Obama funded them.

00:55:46.220 And then you listen.

00:55:47.000 He says, well, what Hamas did was indefensible and there's no justification for it. 0.94

00:55:51.120 But let me give a justification for it.

00:55:54.260 And he then says, he actually uses the same line that the radicals at Harvard did.

00:55:59.520 And of course, Barack Obama is a graduate of the Harvard Law School just a few years ahead of me.

00:56:03.840 And his justification, he says, the occupation is unbearable.

00:56:09.340 What occupation?

00:56:10.520 This is a lie.

00:56:11.320 And it's a lie the radical left pushes.

00:56:13.940 Gaza is not occupied.

00:56:16.820 Israel left Gaza.

00:56:18.620 Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians, said it's all yours. 0.99

00:56:22.540 Israel doesn't govern Gaza.

00:56:23.860 Israel doesn't control Gaza.

00:56:25.720 Gaza is run by Hamas.

00:56:28.260 Hamas is in charge of Gaza.

00:56:29.680 There is zero occupation in Gaza of anyone other than the Palestinians.

00:56:36.900 And why is Hamas, why is Gaza such a miserable place with so much poverty?

00:56:42.820 Because all they care about is their vicious, racist hatred of Jews.

00:56:49.080 And so internationally, billions of dollars have flooded into Gaza.

00:56:53.100 And what happens?

00:56:53.680 Hamas takes that money, the money that could go to building schools, to building hospitals, 0.80

00:56:57.820 and they use it to build weapons of war to attack and kill Jews. 0.62

00:57:02.600 They get money for water pipes to have clean water for Palestinian children.

00:57:09.440 What do they do instead?

00:57:10.240 They cut the water pipes into rockets, and they fill them with explosives to murder Jews. 0.99

00:57:18.620 And go back a couple of weeks ago.

00:57:20.480 Do you remember the story that the corporate media broadcast all over the world, which is

00:57:24.740 that Israel bombs a Palestinian hospital, murders 500 Palestinians?

00:57:30.860 We now know that was an utter and complete lie.

00:57:34.440 It was a lie that was spread by Hamas. 0.88

00:57:37.340 And there are a couple of things going on.

00:57:39.340 Number one, Israel uses precision-guided munitions.

00:57:43.000 They hit what they aim at.

00:57:44.500 They do not target hospitals.

00:57:46.860 They target military targets.

00:57:50.180 Hamas and the terrorists, they don't have guidance on their rockets. 0.92

00:57:53.740 Their rockets are basically a metal tube with some propellant, an explosive, and a bunch of

00:57:58.420 shrapnel, nails and ball bearings.

00:58:00.000 And they fire them in the general direction of Israel and hope they explode and kill some 1.00

00:58:04.880 Jews.

00:58:05.160 And about 20% of the rockets that Hamas fires never make it out of Gaza.

00:58:10.640 They end up exploding in Gaza and hurting Palestinians. 0.98

00:58:13.380 In this instance, it was a rocket fired by Palestinian Islamic Jihad that had no guidance system.

00:58:19.840 So it ended up crashing in Gaza.

00:58:21.640 It didn't actually hit the hospital.

00:58:23.360 Turns out the hospital wasn't hit.

00:58:24.800 It exploded in the parking lot outside the hospital.

00:58:28.400 So it was a lie that Israel bombed it.

00:58:30.980 It was a lie that the hospital was hit.

00:58:33.260 And it was a lie that 500 Palestinians were killed.

00:58:36.460 And yet the New York Times, CNN, the AP, Reuters, they all went with Hamas's lie. 0.74

00:58:41.620 By the way, Rashida Tlaib continued repeating the lie after it had been disproven because the

00:58:47.680 propaganda was part of the attack.

00:58:49.780 And Barack Obama repeats those lies.

00:58:53.900 Let me say it again.

00:58:55.660 The Gaza Strip is not occupied.

00:58:58.360 When he says the occupation is unbearable, he is repeating an anti-Semitic lie because the

00:59:06.500 radical left hates Israel.

00:59:10.000 Barack Obama loathes Benjamin Netanyahu.

00:59:13.920 He spent eight years undermining the government of Israel.

00:59:17.540 And now Joe Biden has spent the last three years undermining the government of Israel because

00:59:22.660 in in their cultural Marxist worldview, the Israelis, the Jews are the oppressors and 0.95

00:59:29.220 they want to topple the oppressors.

00:59:30.820 And they stand with the victims even as they're murdering women and children.

00:59:35.420 It is amazing to look at his struggle session.

00:59:39.100 Gee, is there anything I could have done differently?

00:59:42.640 Anything you funded Iran?

00:59:44.640 You tried to normalize Iran. 0.98

00:59:47.240 They're the ones funding this entire thing, that entire attack against the Israelis. 0.94

00:59:52.220 No responsibility whatsoever.

00:59:54.020 Gee, I'll have to kick it around.

00:59:55.600 Maybe if Michelle runs for president, this will come up. 1.00

00:59:58.720 I want to round back to the book and the cultural Marxism because I know you raised a story about

01:00:04.700 your daughter and Columbus Day, which we just celebrated.

01:00:08.500 And I was surprised to see that you down in Texas had a similar issue to what we up here in

01:00:14.560 Connecticut experienced too, which is this questioning about whether this holiday is really

01:00:20.520 appropriate.

01:00:22.260 At my daughter's school, she was asked by her history teacher, the entire class was, to take

01:00:27.960 a position on whether Columbus Day should still be recognized or whether we should change it to

01:00:32.660 Indigenous People's Day.

01:00:35.660 And I'm happy to tell you that my daughter defended Columbus Day.

01:00:39.280 Good for her.

01:00:39.700 I'm unhappy to tell you she was literally the only girl in the entire class that did it.

01:00:43.940 The only one.

01:00:45.020 And the teacher was very much on the other side.

01:00:47.960 You would think if there were only one person in the class who was taking a position, you might

01:00:51.420 like get excited.

01:00:52.680 This is a chance to foster debate.

01:00:53.860 Let's go have at it and throw our bone. 1.00

01:00:55.200 It's not how it went down.

01:00:56.720 So what happened in your child's class?

01:00:59.120 Well, and I described this in my chapter on K through 12 education, how my daughter, when

01:01:04.000 she was in elementary school, came back right after Columbus Day and she was talking about

01:01:08.580 Columbus and she and her friend were both saying, oh, we hate Christopher Columbus.

01:01:12.800 He's evil and a racist and committed genocide.

01:01:15.180 He's terrible.

01:01:16.760 And look, I'm not deeply invested in defending Christopher Columbus as a hero or anything, but

01:01:22.720 I did want to have a conversation with her and I said, well, you know,

01:01:25.200 you know, we do have a federal holiday that's actually in the statute books named Columbus

01:01:31.440 Day.

01:01:32.520 Do we typically have federal holidays celebrating people that are evil, genocidal maniacs?

01:01:38.480 I mean, might there be anything good about Columbus?

01:01:43.880 And she was like, no, no, no, there can't be.

01:01:45.900 And I said, well, look, the argument about genocide is that he came over in the 15th century

01:01:51.220 and that he and the other people on the ships with them carried with them germs that ended

01:01:57.080 up spreading to Native American people and killing them. 0.99

01:01:59.540 And I understand that argument.

01:02:01.300 Is it relevant in the 15th century?

01:02:03.460 Nobody knew what a germ was, so he didn't know he was carrying those germs and nobody else

01:02:07.220 did.

01:02:07.640 I mean, you're accusing him of genocide.

01:02:11.020 That suggests culpability, wanting to kill people.

01:02:13.840 Is that relevant at all?

01:02:15.780 Now, I also described moving forward a little bit later in the year at Thanksgiving, my daughter

01:02:22.520 and her friends were talking and they said, oh, Thanksgiving is all about the pilgrims

01:02:28.300 oppressing the Native Americans and celebrating the stolen land. 0.99

01:02:34.620 And I was like, well, look, the settlers came to America and there was conquest.

01:02:40.360 And if you look at the history of mankind, just about every nation has been one series

01:02:45.000 of conquest over the others.

01:02:46.260 And by the way, the Native Americans, one tribe conquered another and one tribe conquered 0.88

01:02:49.780 another.

01:02:50.240 And inevitably, when you have war and you have conquest, there are stories and tragedies.

01:02:55.760 And so were there tragedies, were there atrocities carried out against Native Americans?

01:02:59.440 Of course.

01:03:00.720 But there were atrocities on both sides of that.

01:03:02.760 You know, I asked, I said, from where do you think the verb to scalp came from?

01:03:08.800 Um, you know, it's not like these were just noble savages who were oppressed, that they

01:03:15.020 were murdering on both sides and it was war and conquest.

01:03:18.500 And a point that I made to my daughter, I said, look, this discussion and the Columbus Day

01:03:25.220 discussion are interconnected.

01:03:26.940 And it comes down to really one fundamental question.

01:03:30.660 Do you view the Western settlement of America as a good thing or a bad thing?

01:03:37.900 And today's left, the cultural Marxists view the formation of America, view the Constitution,

01:03:43.740 view the Bill of Rights as fundamentally evil and illegitimate.

01:03:47.640 Now, I think America has been the greatest force for good the world has ever seen, has

01:03:52.980 produced more freedom, more prosperity, more opportunity, has liberated more captives and

01:03:57.680 lifted more people out of poverty than any nation in the history of the world.

01:04:01.700 Do we have our flaws?

01:04:02.480 Sure.

01:04:03.560 Have we done things wrong?

01:04:05.120 Of course.

01:04:06.400 But I agree with Dr. Martin Luther King that the arc of justice is long and that it arcs

01:04:10.580 towards justice.

01:04:11.700 That is a fundamentally different view.

01:04:14.460 And what I talk about in the book Unwoke is engage with your kids, have those conversations

01:04:19.200 with them.

01:04:19.780 And that doesn't mean you have to reflexively argue the other side, but at least try to teach

01:04:25.260 them to question and have some balance and have a little bit of historical understanding

01:04:30.560 rather than just being drowned by the indoctrination that so many of the kids are getting.

01:04:37.920 Yeah.

01:04:38.560 And you know who shares virtually all those same values with us?

01:04:41.440 Israel.

01:04:42.240 Yes.

01:04:42.460 You know who doesn't?

01:04:43.660 Hamas. 0.73

01:04:44.300 Exactly right.

01:04:44.960 And frankly, most of the Palestinians, they don't share those values who are out there 1.00

01:04:48.700 getting the support of those protesters at the White House.

01:04:51.240 How do you think LGBTQ rights are going to go with most of that crowd?

01:04:54.480 Not particularly well.

01:04:55.320 How about women? 1.00

01:04:56.260 How do they fare?

01:04:56.940 Not particularly well.

01:04:58.260 How about rule of law?

01:04:59.640 How about freedom of speech?

01:05:00.880 How about freedom of religion?

01:05:02.100 OK, good luck.

01:05:02.800 Go check it out.

01:05:03.600 Get back to me.

01:05:04.640 Senator Cruz, it's always a pleasure.

01:05:06.380 The book is Unwoke.

01:05:07.840 I think you'll really enjoy it.

01:05:08.940 You'll get to know the senator and get to know his family better.

01:05:10.700 You get to understand this issue, which we hear discussed so much in our society now,

01:05:16.480 discussed in great detail.

01:05:18.240 And you'll learn how to fight.

01:05:18.940 And Megan, I'll tell you, the book will be on sale in bookstores starting tomorrow.

01:05:24.080 But it is right now today on Amazon.

01:05:26.620 It is number one, number two, and number three simultaneously on the bestseller list for politics.

01:05:32.000 So I would encourage you, go to Amazon right now.

01:05:34.920 You can buy it today on Amazon.

01:05:36.920 And it's designed to give you the tools to fight back.

01:05:42.380 And it's also, as you noted, it's interesting.

01:05:44.780 It's fun.

01:05:45.240 It tells stories.

01:05:46.120 It's not a dry academic book.

01:05:47.600 It's designed to help you understand and equip you to fight back.

01:05:51.260 But here's the number one reason we should buy it and make it go to number one,

01:05:54.880 because it's really going to irritate the New York Times.

01:05:58.940 Amen.

01:05:59.560 Let's get them up there to number one. 1.00

01:06:01.220 They're going to have to suck it. 0.99

01:06:03.440 Great to see you, Senator.

01:06:04.820 Thanks, Megan.

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01:07:04.080 Oh, we have a sad update for you today.

01:07:11.560 Way back in episode 483 in January of this year, we brought you an entire show on a topic

01:07:18.220 I admittedly knew next to nothing about, the use of psychedelic drugs and psilocybin research

01:07:24.500 to help treat depression, addiction, and other medical conditions.

01:07:27.760 Our guest for the full show that day was Dr. Roland Griffiths, who was the expert on

01:07:33.560 the topic as the director of the Center for Psychedelic and Consciousness Research at Johns

01:07:38.700 Hopkins University School of Medicine.

01:07:40.780 We talked about the history of his research, the various uses, even how cancer patients had

01:07:47.700 used psychedelics as therapeutics, research he pioneered.

01:07:52.000 At the end of the interview, we got to the sad reveal of Roland's very personal connection to

01:08:00.020 this topic.

01:08:00.980 He told us that he himself had terminal colon cancer.

01:08:05.720 Here's a bit of our conversation on appreciating life and practicing gratitude.

01:08:10.980 Watch.

01:08:12.520 I went in for a routine screening colonoscopy, believing myself to be completely healthy.

01:08:19.480 I take care of myself.

01:08:20.680 I watch my diet.

01:08:21.640 I exercise and came out with, in short order, a stage four cancer diagnosis that's been resistant

01:08:33.100 to treatment.

01:08:34.120 But Megan, the astonishing thing about this is that it's, rather than being depressed and

01:08:41.180 anxious for me, it's, I consider the whole thing to be a blessing.

01:08:46.620 And it's been this just remarkable experience of joy and gratitude.

01:08:54.520 I thought I was pretty awake to the joy and miracle of life before this, but it's much more

01:09:03.380 so now.

01:09:04.920 And so I'm moved to talk about it just because I think in principle, we can all wake up much

01:09:15.200 more than we are.

01:09:16.520 And I want to encourage people to do that absent a terminal diagnosis.

01:09:23.100 Roland, thank you for sharing that.

01:09:25.140 My God, I'm definitely, I feel more emotional about it than you do.

01:09:28.520 We knew Roland did not have long when we brought you his story back in January.

01:09:36.560 On October 16th, he passed away at his home in Baltimore at the age of 77.

01:09:42.120 I'm getting emotional again.

01:09:43.400 There's something about this man that was so touching.

01:09:46.200 He devoted himself to this line of research, which was always considered controversial and

01:09:50.860 almost taboo until Roland.

01:09:53.820 And he did it at the Johns Hopkins School of all places.

01:09:57.120 And he created a place for this research, which has now helped so many.

01:10:03.060 According to the New York Times, Roland was working on a paper about a study he conducted

01:10:07.200 in which clergy from various faiths took psilocybin to see how would it affect their life and work.

01:10:13.980 Roland took psychedelics himself shortly after his diagnosis to investigate his own condition.

01:10:18.640 What did he learn?

01:10:20.840 You will die, he said, but everything is absolutely perfect.

01:10:26.360 He said this to the New York Times at the time.

01:10:28.200 There's meaning and purpose to this that goes beyond your understanding.

01:10:32.800 But how you're managing that is exactly how you should manage it.

01:10:37.640 Roland now gone from this physical world, but his important work and legacy live on.

01:10:42.840 You can find more information and donate if you'd like to at Griffiths.

01:10:47.220 That's with a T-H at the end, GriffithsFund.org.

01:10:51.460 Joining me now is someone who knows a thing or two about what psychedelics can do to improve

01:10:57.520 and even save your life.

01:10:59.060 We're going to get to that.

01:11:00.380 Jordan Belfort.

01:11:01.720 Jordan is a former stockbroker, entrepreneur, speaker, author, and most famously, the wolf

01:11:06.300 of Wall Street.

01:11:07.960 Jordan was last on the show in 2021 in episode 182.

01:11:10.700 We're so happy to have him back.

01:11:11.780 He has a new book out called The Wolf of Investing, My Insider's Playbook for Making

01:11:18.280 a Fortune on Wall Street, which he did very well.

01:11:22.480 Jordan, great to have you back.

01:11:24.520 Oh, I'm so sad that we lost this great man.

01:11:28.460 But I know I just thought it would be a good way to get into you because you you you've been

01:11:33.440 very open about, you know, you had to go to jail.

01:11:36.600 You served time.

01:11:38.800 We talked all about it in your last time in the show, but you also were an addict and

01:11:44.460 found yourselves yourself using Suboxone, which so many addicts use to get off of opioids.

01:11:51.380 It's like a light opioid, but it's it's not as catastrophic for your life as these others.

01:11:56.180 And it's helped a lot of people in their addiction, but you couldn't get off of Suboxone.

01:11:59.840 And then you discovered the world of psychedelics.

01:12:04.560 And this is Roland would be sure to tell everybody you should do this at a clinic under the care

01:12:08.340 of a physician.

01:12:09.120 This isn't something like you go pick a mushroom in your backyard and give it a try.

01:12:12.940 Right.

01:12:13.260 But I know you've said they really helped you.

01:12:16.100 Yeah.

01:12:16.280 Well, I mean, I went to Mexico.

01:12:18.460 It's not legal here still.

01:12:19.840 Hopefully it's on the cusp of their start into certain states.

01:12:22.440 You can use it.

01:12:22.960 But I went to Mexico, to Cancun, and I took a medicine called Ibogaine, which is like the

01:12:28.560 granddaddy of hallucinogens.

01:12:30.880 And it's a tough experience.

01:12:33.480 It's long.

01:12:34.180 It's about 12 hours, but it completely broke any dependency I had on opioids and just shocks

01:12:41.860 me that it's not available in the U.S.

01:12:43.620 I mean, this massive problem here, this massive disaster that was precipitated by the pharmaceutical

01:12:49.520 industry, and their cure is Suboxone, which is, as you said, it's another opioid.

01:12:54.420 It's basically a life sentence.

01:12:55.880 And yes, you could live with it.

01:12:56.760 I lived with it for many years.

01:12:58.460 And, you know, I function well.

01:12:59.660 But still, you're on opioids, and there's a lot of side effects.

01:13:03.520 And yet there's a cure.

01:13:05.380 There's actually a cure out there.

01:13:07.740 And if it's administered carefully by doctors, it's very safe.

01:13:10.760 And, you know, it boggles my mind.

01:13:13.120 It's another example of just, you know, what's going wrong with this country with the lobbies

01:13:16.960 and certain, you know, industries that just simply have laws passed to feed their own

01:13:21.240 profits every single year.

01:13:22.420 And this is a perfect example.

01:13:23.760 I also take mushrooms by the low dose.

01:13:25.500 I do a microdosing of mushrooms as well.

01:13:28.380 And it's been great for me, too.

01:13:30.360 So I think psychedelics are really the next forefront for mental health.

01:13:33.900 And it's really sad this guy passed away, but he left behind an incredible legacy for

01:13:37.240 sure.

01:13:38.000 Yes.

01:13:38.360 Honestly, the reason that they're getting any sort of mainstream play is because of

01:13:41.380 Roland.

01:13:41.760 He is the guy.

01:13:43.760 And he is such a sweet, mild-mannered, intellectual guy.

01:13:46.960 Like he had really made his bones in studying addiction and people understood he was legit.

01:13:50.980 He wasn't just, he wasn't, you know, just looking for a high off of a bunch of patients

01:13:55.000 he was going to have in for a study.

01:13:56.300 He saw.

01:13:57.360 And every person I know who's tried this, I have not tried this, but every person I know

01:14:00.760 who's tried this to treat depression, including in Roland's case, he was treating cancer patients

01:14:04.680 dealing with depression, describes the use of this in a clinical setting as a before

01:14:09.200 and after moment in dealing with their depression, whether it's caused by a terminal illness

01:14:13.740 or anything else.

01:14:14.520 I mean, I, we're so, I, I'm, I'm as anti-drug as they come.

01:14:20.020 I mean, I've never done a drug.

01:14:21.240 I've told you this the last time.

01:14:22.300 I was like, Miss Goody Two Shoes, Jordan.

01:14:24.400 Right.

01:14:24.740 But I would try this in a clinical setting if I were dealing with serious depression.

01:14:29.800 It's just, it seems like a game changer.

01:14:32.760 Listen, there's, there's also ketamine that's being used now, which is a hallucinogen and

01:14:37.180 very effective for depression.

01:14:39.380 Very effective.

01:14:40.120 And the weird thing to me is that they've known this for a really long time.

01:14:44.880 The doctor is the pharmaceutical industry, but the reason they suppress it is because

01:14:48.700 they can't patent it.

01:14:49.900 And since they can't patent it, they can't make money with it.

01:14:52.480 And so they, you know, have this PR campaign that it's dangerous.

01:14:55.780 It's terrible.

01:14:56.400 You take one, one dose of a hallucinogen, you'll jump off a building.

01:14:59.360 That's what I grew up with.

01:15:00.400 I grew up in that, in that era where hallucinogens were like, you'll lose your mind and you'll never

01:15:04.420 come back.

01:15:05.000 So I had a negative anchor against it.

01:15:07.360 Yeah, exactly.

01:15:08.440 And it's anything but that.

01:15:10.020 So I think thankfully the trend is going in the right direction now, but I assure you the

01:15:14.360 pharmaceutical industry will not go down without a fight.

01:15:17.100 So we'll see what happens.

01:15:18.740 So once you tried it and you did the 12 hour thing, was that it for you and Suboxone?

01:15:23.060 You didn't need it anymore?

01:15:24.420 Never again.

01:15:25.840 No, never again.

01:15:26.700 And now when I got off of it, the physical withdrawals were gone, but it took me about

01:15:32.140 45 to six days to really feel like my good again.

01:15:35.520 You know, I was sleeping again and didn't have any anxiety.

01:15:39.240 But I've also, I've been very frank.

01:15:41.340 I've lived with anxiety my whole life.

01:15:42.960 I mean, anxiety has been a demon sitting on my shoulders since I'm six years old.

01:15:46.920 You should have had anxiety.

01:15:48.500 What you were doing on Wall Street, that would cause any human anxiety.

01:15:51.640 That's real fear.

01:15:52.380 That's real fear.

01:15:53.340 It's like, are you paranoid?

01:15:54.500 If they're really chasing you, it's not paranoid.

01:15:56.260 It's real fear, right?

01:15:57.140 But I mean, even before that, and I, for example, like in the last, when I first, after I got

01:16:01.960 off all the Suboxone, I was having anxiety for no reason.

01:16:05.100 Like my life is beautiful.

01:16:06.460 Great business, great wife, great family.

01:16:08.860 I'm still having anxiety and it's very debilitating.

01:16:12.120 And, and, you know, and Xanax, I assure you, was not the solution, by the way.

01:16:15.520 That's just like a trap that you fall into and incredibly addictive.

01:16:18.460 So, you know, I roughed it out.

01:16:19.700 Thankfully now I'm on anything except lots and lots of supplements for longevity.

01:16:23.260 That's my, my new addiction is cold plunges in the morning.

01:16:25.940 I do about six to eight minutes at, at 35 degrees, which is awesome.

01:16:29.400 You should try it, but I, I strongly recommend it.

01:16:32.200 Right.

01:16:32.720 I can do one minute.

01:16:33.660 I've done them from like one, six to eight sounds insane.

01:16:36.960 Yeah.

01:16:37.180 I screwed up this morning though.

01:16:38.140 I had a radio interview and I thought it was like 30 minutes later when I got into the

01:16:41.660 cold plunge.

01:16:42.080 I got out, I'm still shivering.

01:16:43.140 It had to go on the radio and I'm like shivering.

01:16:46.000 That was tough.

01:16:47.640 But other than that, it's been amazing.

01:16:49.020 And it also helps you lose weight because it burned, you have to burn calories to get

01:16:53.040 your body temperature back up.

01:16:54.100 But most important for me is anti-inflammatory and a mood enhancer.

01:16:58.000 It's like a legal high.

01:16:59.260 It's like this high that lasts all day long and it's, it's free.

01:17:02.900 There's no downside to it.

01:17:04.000 So, I mean, thankfully, listen, I think that, you know, there's probably many people, no

01:17:08.260 one in this country has a family that has not somehow been touched by addiction and the

01:17:13.300 opioid crisis.

01:17:14.020 I don't care what family or someone in your family extended or otherwise has been touched

01:17:18.200 by this.

01:17:19.000 And there really is a cure, sorry, a cure for this in the form of ibogaine, which is incredibly

01:17:25.160 effective, resets your brain.

01:17:27.300 So I, I'm, I'm a big fan, big fan.

01:17:30.240 Oh, okay.

01:17:31.020 So that this is what inspires Jordan in the morning.

01:17:36.480 He does his cold plunge and he's, he's on the opposite end of the suboxone and the opioid

01:17:40.720 addiction.

01:17:41.160 Um, and now he wants to help you make a lot of money, a lot of money, the wolf of investing.

01:17:46.180 So just as a reminder, a wolf of wall street, um, that's Jordan. 0.76

01:17:49.940 There was a whole movie starring Leonardo, Leonardo DiCaprio, who played Jordan, Margot

01:17:54.320 Robbie played his wife.

01:17:55.960 I mean, it's just like, you couldn't ask for better casting of one's life.

01:17:59.960 And, um, now, and you know, there were some things that weren't necessarily legal as we

01:18:03.900 pointed out, but you served your time and now you're trying to help people understand

01:18:07.220 how to make money legally.

01:18:09.160 And I have to say, it's a very timely offering because we started the show with this New York

01:18:14.420 times, Sienna poll showing how awful people feel about the economy.

01:18:19.580 I mean, they feel awful about it.

01:18:22.760 Virtually no one approves of where we are.

01:18:25.320 And more than two thirds of the country say we are going in the wrong direction economically

01:18:29.720 and otherwise.

01:18:31.320 And so to feel like someone could empower themselves in this terrible economy by something like

01:18:36.220 this book is, is a, is a hopeful thought.

01:18:39.640 You know, everybody would want to do it.

01:18:40.740 So could somebody like I, somebody like me take this book and actually make smart investments?

01:18:46.120 Absolutely.

01:18:46.560 The whole point of writing this book is in the past, I've, you know, I've coached entrepreneurs,

01:18:51.140 I've taught entrepreneurship, sales, marketing.

01:18:54.060 One thing I never really spoke about, which is something that I knew probably as good as

01:18:57.220 anyone out there in the world was how to make money on wall street.

01:19:00.340 Right?

01:19:00.560 So, you know, finally, after many, many years and seeing where the economy was going and

01:19:04.700 actually experiencing it in my own family, my brother-in-law was getting whipsawed, destroyed.

01:19:09.500 He's a very successful guy, very smart.

01:19:11.280 And I watched someone who's very smart, very educated, very sharp, getting obliterated by

01:19:16.200 doing all the wrong things with his investment portfolio.

01:19:19.460 So I coached him through, you know, you know, how to change his portfolio and redo it in a

01:19:23.960 way that would set him up for long-term success.

01:19:26.240 And that's really was the, was the inspiration for writing this book.

01:19:29.560 It took me about 18 months to write it.

01:19:31.560 And not because I didn't know what the strategies were going to be.

01:19:34.340 I knew from the start what I was going to be talking about, but I knew that if I didn't

01:19:37.920 write it in a really kind of laugh out loud, funny, irreverent way, like,

01:19:41.280 people wouldn't really enjoy it or read it as much because, you know, the information

01:19:45.220 for investing is out there, but it's very dry, very boring, very technical.

01:19:48.860 So people don't embrace it.

01:19:50.580 So I, you, I wrote this book in a way that's a very funny, ironic voice, but it gives you

01:19:54.940 like literally the keys to the kingdom for building a world-class portfolio that will

01:19:59.480 allow you to retire extremely wealthy, whether you're wealthy now or not.

01:20:04.280 And that's the beauty of this.

01:20:05.280 You don't need a lot of money.

01:20:06.800 And especially in an economy, as you said, you're a hundred percent, right?

01:20:09.680 You know, there's a lot of problems systemically in the U S economy.

01:20:13.680 There's even more problems politically, which we, I know we agree on that.

01:20:17.080 Right.

01:20:17.360 And what's, you know, when you see what's going on on college campuses, it makes you

01:20:20.520 stand for the whole world.

01:20:21.960 But the fact is, is that the one solution that you can have for yourself and your family

01:20:26.340 is make a lot of money and invest it wisely.

01:20:29.720 So you're set up for the future because you can't count on the government.

01:20:33.120 You can't count on a booming economy when you're retired.

01:20:35.900 So you need to take matters into your own hands.

01:20:38.480 And the way you do it, it's not by hiring a stockbroker, putting your money in a mutual

01:20:42.260 fund or, or like a managed mutual fund or trying to find the next, you know, pipe from a hedge

01:20:47.020 fund or penny stock or crypto coin is a very simple proven way that anybody, anybody can

01:20:54.360 secure their future through proper investing.

01:20:56.580 And that's really what I lay out in the book.

01:20:57.940 It's a turnkey solution for anybody, even if you don't have a lot of money.

01:21:02.180 Um, well, especially because I know we don't like to talk about this as a country, the

01:21:07.540 Republicans want to ignore it.

01:21:09.100 Democrats want to ignore it, but you're probably not going to get your social security.

01:21:12.920 If you're 40 or younger, there's probably not going to be social security for you.

01:21:16.260 We like to lie and say, oh, no, it's like, you know, it's, we're only going to mess with

01:21:19.740 it for like people who are in their twenties.

01:21:21.480 Bullshit.

01:21:21.920 The whole program is going under there.

01:21:23.960 They're really out of money, social security and Medicare Medicaid's also in trouble.

01:21:27.520 So they just keep ignoring all of this.

01:21:29.280 I mean, even the trustees who run the program say at minimum in 10 years, you're going to

01:21:33.640 get 20% less.

01:21:35.260 And so you can't rely on those.

01:21:37.280 Yeah, exactly.

01:21:38.400 You can't rely on those to fund your retirement.

01:21:40.560 Yeah.

01:21:40.960 Well, it might be around when we're old.

01:21:42.300 I think it will be, but it'll be enough to pay for your diapers when you're in a nursing

01:21:45.200 home.

01:21:45.460 That's about it.

01:21:46.020 If you think you're going to rely on that to pay your rent and your expenses, I mean,

01:21:49.840 think again, right?

01:21:50.660 So you're a hundred percent right.

01:21:51.980 And that problem is only getting worse.

01:21:54.080 The political divide is so intense right now that nothing good is getting accomplished

01:21:58.820 in Congress and forget the executive branch where there's a hologram there right now.

01:22:04.100 But still, even when there was a public in there, there's systemic problems.

01:22:07.620 You need to secure your own future.

01:22:09.540 And you know what happens, Megan?

01:22:10.460 It's sad, but who gets squeezed the most?

01:22:12.880 It's the middle class and the lower class.

01:22:14.860 The rich are going to always make money and be very rich.

01:22:17.540 And that top 5%, they're going to be okay.

01:22:21.140 It's everyone else that gets screwed.

01:22:22.960 So, and I think the trap that people fall into when they invest, and this is the essence

01:22:28.120 of the book, is that when you look at how much money you have to invest or what do you

01:22:31.760 have in your savings account or stock account, you say, well, you know, I don't have that

01:22:36.280 much.

01:22:36.640 I have to maybe have five or 10 or $20,000, whatever it might be.

01:22:39.600 That's not enough to build massive wealth because I have to hit a home run.

01:22:44.740 I have to find the next Apple computer.

01:22:47.080 I have to find the next Bitcoin or some penny stock.

01:22:50.300 You start to think you need massive returns to get ahead.

01:22:53.580 And that's the opposite of the truth.

01:22:55.100 You don't.

01:22:56.160 By investing in actually the best stocks in a certain way and relying on long-term compounding,

01:23:02.520 which is, you know, every single year you're compounding the profits from the previous,

01:23:05.840 you could take a very small amount of money and turn it into millions of dollars over time.

01:23:10.660 So how do you figure out, I know you say, you say in the book, you've got to figure out,

01:23:14.440 you've got to sort of see the good news coming on a stock before everybody else sees it.

01:23:18.040 Because otherwise, you know, then, you know, you, you lose the advantage of the stock raise

01:23:21.800 after you bought it a lower number, but that seems easier said than done.

01:23:26.060 Like if we could figure that out, we'd all be, you know, making money on wall street people.

01:23:29.560 How are you supposed to do it?

01:23:30.740 Like the best scheme I ever saw was in trading places where they did it illegally, but it's

01:23:35.420 not easier said than done.

01:23:37.240 Yeah.

01:23:37.660 It's not easier said than done.

01:23:38.960 It's almost impossible.

01:23:40.380 You can't do it.

01:23:41.600 And what I say in the book is that, you know, if you want to speculate, that's fine.

01:23:46.080 So take a small portion of your money, let's say 5% of the money that you have and speculate,

01:23:50.900 try to time the market, pick individual stocks, you know, invest before the news comes out

01:23:55.920 and try to be on the right side of that news.

01:23:57.980 So you make a lot of money really quickly, right?

01:23:59.760 That's a fool's game.

01:24:01.540 That's not how you make money in the stock market.

01:24:03.960 And that's been historically proven by every academic study going back to the early 1900s.

01:24:10.240 And this is not just for average investors, the top investors, the top hedge fund managers,

01:24:15.900 the top mutual fund managers, analysts, they can't pick a stock any better than the average

01:24:20.260 person.

01:24:20.680 And I'm not even kidding with this.

01:24:21.760 Every study has proven this.

01:24:23.320 And especially after you include all the fees and performance bonuses and ticket charges

01:24:28.000 and expenses and everything else that they hit you for.

01:24:30.960 And by the way, in the hedge fund world, it's like if they win, they take 20%.

01:24:34.540 If they lose, you pay all the losses.

01:24:36.300 So it's heads they win, tails you lose, right?

01:24:38.380 So it's a total con job.

01:24:40.160 And the thing is, you don't need to do that.

01:24:42.140 There's a far better way than to invest.

01:24:45.180 And it's not about timing the market.

01:24:46.800 It's not about trying to beat the news cycle.

01:24:49.320 You're going to lose more often than not that way, all right?

01:24:52.200 Look at it this way, right?

01:24:53.200 So when you go into a casino, right, typically the odds are against you, what, by 5%, maybe

01:24:57.560 7% depending on the game, right?

01:24:59.940 So when you go in there, you can expect the overtime most people are going to lose.

01:25:03.780 But then if you walk into a corrupt casino where they have loaded dice or dealing from

01:25:08.320 the bottom of the deck, you're going to lose 50%, 80% of the time, right?

01:25:11.680 You're always going to lose.

01:25:12.900 There's a huge edge, right, to the house.

01:25:15.160 Well, that's Wall Street.

01:25:15.900 You're dealing against the corruption there where they have faster computers than you

01:25:20.160 access to news before you have it, right?

01:25:22.680 They're doing things that are illegal on a daily basis.

01:25:25.680 And we all know that's happening.

01:25:26.840 We all know it's happening at the biggest firms down to the smallest ones.

01:25:29.960 So if you want to play in that corrupt casino, you're going to get slaughtered.

01:25:33.880 So like the old movie War Games, remember War Games with Matthew Broderick?

01:25:37.120 Of course.

01:25:37.400 The only way to win is not to play.

01:25:39.220 You can't play that game.

01:25:40.360 But on the flip side, Wall Street does create massive value for the U.S. and for that matter,

01:25:47.880 the global economy.

01:25:49.000 So Wall Street's a necessary part of the economy for its function.

01:25:52.400 They take companies public.

01:25:53.760 They see which ones are worthy of part of the financing.

01:25:56.760 They secure the credit markers, the debt marks.

01:25:58.680 We need Wall Street.

01:25:59.540 So they have a service mission-critical function on one side, which is the good side.

01:26:03.180 And then the other side, they create bubbles and rip your eyeballs out with extra fees, 0.73

01:26:06.900 commissions, and so forth.

01:26:07.860 So the question really is, how do you extract, as an average person here in America or elsewhere,

01:26:13.160 how do you extract your share, your fair share of the value that Wall Street creates

01:26:18.040 without getting caught up in the corrupt casino and losing it all?

01:26:21.860 That's the strategy that I offer in the book.

01:26:24.280 And by the way, it's the exact strategy that Warren Buffett would give you and any really

01:26:28.360 legitimate top investor would tell you, this is the way you do it.

01:26:31.460 And I'll tell you, the short story is it starts with having the biggest position in

01:26:35.720 a no-commission, ultra-low-expense S&P 500 index fund.

01:26:41.780 That's where it starts.

01:26:42.800 So that's one big position you're going to want to have and your main position.

01:26:46.040 And then you're going to want to have that in certain types of accounts, tax-free accounts

01:26:49.080 when possible.

01:26:49.780 There's a number of those, but also just your general account.

01:26:52.420 And then you want to be adding to that position just a little bit each month, whether it's $50,

01:26:57.720 $100, hopefully a lot more.

01:26:59.200 But whatever you can add to that slowly over time without worrying, saying, oh, I don't

01:27:04.720 know.

01:27:04.880 I think the economy is going to do bad next year.

01:27:06.900 So I'm going to get out of stocks and sit in cash or go into oil.

01:27:10.100 If you listen to Jim Cramer on CNBC, I mean, this guy's like a toxic avenger, this guy.

01:27:14.980 He's telling you to trade this for that and try to time the market.

01:27:18.060 You don't win like that.

01:27:19.320 No one wins that way.

01:27:20.420 He's always wrong.

01:27:20.800 I mean, it's like a joke, but it's like, you know, and his knowledge base is best, but

01:27:26.520 he's giving the worst advice in the world as almost everyone else on CNBC.

01:27:31.520 So that's a real trap.

01:27:32.480 You watch it and you're like, oh, maybe I should be selling my stocks today or selling

01:27:36.440 this sector right now because the economy seems to be slowing down.

01:27:39.140 That's nonsense.

01:27:40.260 That's not how you make money in the stock market.

01:27:42.100 You need to buy and hold for like 20, 30 years.

01:27:46.240 Seriously, they might seem like a long time, but it's actually not.

01:27:49.020 You just because you don't buy individual stocks, you buy the whole index, the S&P 500.

01:27:55.040 Why do you do that?

01:27:55.660 I'll tell you why.

01:27:56.520 Number one, it's the 500 biggest, baddest, most profitable companies in the United States.

01:28:01.680 In addition, about 40% of their business comes from overseas.

01:28:05.360 So you get overseas exposure as well.

01:28:08.120 Number two, all right, they are not the same companies that they were five years ago.

01:28:13.740 Every three months, the S&P meets the index committee and they replace the companies that

01:28:17.920 are not doing as well, becoming less relevant.

01:28:19.820 They also reweight the index to reflect the U.S. economy.

01:28:22.660 So at any given moment, the S&P 500 represents the best companies, the most relevant companies

01:28:28.540 and the weighting of the U.S. economy.

01:28:30.680 So you're buying the U.S. economy.

01:28:33.060 Now, you might say, well, isn't the economy in the shitter?

01:28:35.800 Like, or isn't it going to go bad?

01:28:37.300 Isn't there all these systemic problems?

01:28:38.600 The answer is yes, but it's like the best bad option out there.

01:28:43.480 In other words, the money's got to go somewhere, right?

01:28:46.020 And what happens is, you know, I don't care how bad the world is doing.

01:28:49.480 I think Apple is going to have a bright future, as is Google.

01:28:52.380 Like, you know, these big companies are massive.

01:28:55.220 Their multinationals are very well run.

01:28:57.380 And when they fall from grace, which they do from time to time, they get replaced.

01:29:01.180 So the S&P 500 is this ultra tax efficient, you don't have to keep buying and selling,

01:29:05.220 it's this tax efficient way of having exposure to the very best that American ingenuity,

01:29:10.120 energy that the American capitalist system has to offer.

01:29:13.860 And I don't care what you say, there's no better system out there for creating wealth

01:29:17.200 than the capitalist system that we have here.

01:29:18.820 I've been all over the world.

01:29:20.420 I care what you say.

01:29:21.200 You know, when I was younger, in the 80s, it was Japan's taking over the world. 1.00

01:29:24.720 Remember that?

01:29:25.140 Japan, they're going to own everything. 1.00

01:29:26.760 And then you saw all the systemic problems there.

01:29:29.000 China's now going to take up. 0.98

01:29:30.320 There's problems in China.

01:29:31.480 So at the end of the day, I truly believe that a bet on the U.S. economy is a very, very safe bet.

01:29:38.200 And it's been that way for the last hundred years or so.

01:29:40.840 So that's the first thing you want to know is don't trade in and out.

01:29:44.840 Once again, the name of the book is The Wolf of Investing by Jordan Belfort, the wolf himself.

01:29:51.040 Jordan, let me ask you how you view the finances and whether they're important of the guys running

01:29:57.000 for president right now, and gals, I should say.

01:29:59.540 Most of these guys are public servants and haven't made a ton of dough because they've been in

01:30:03.080 government service.

01:30:03.600 Just like Ron DeSantis, he went to, it was Princeton, I was Harvard undergrad and then

01:30:07.800 Yale Law School, I think it was.

01:30:09.340 And he could have been making a fortune at some law firm, but he's done all public services

01:30:12.660 life, you know, Navy, JAG Corps, and then governor and congressman and so on.

01:30:16.980 Nikki Haley's made some money in the private sector, but has mostly been a government service

01:30:20.420 person.

01:30:20.980 Vivek made a bunch of money in the pharmaceutical industry, sort of big pharma, taking patents

01:30:26.860 that had been rejected by a bunch of companies in big pharma and trying to get them a second

01:30:31.500 life.

01:30:32.560 And then you got Doug Burgum.

01:30:34.960 He's made a ton of money.

01:30:36.100 Like, do you care?

01:30:37.000 Trump, of course, is repeatedly the richest of them all.

01:30:40.520 Do we care whether we have a rich president or not?

01:30:45.200 Well, I mean, I think we see our current president, who was, you know, a public servant, completely

01:30:50.520 corrupted by, you know, through his son and all this other stuff and taking bribes from

01:30:55.320 all.

01:30:55.640 I mean, hello.

01:30:57.000 I mean, if this was, imagine if this was a Republican office, it would be the front

01:30:59.960 page of the New York Times, like literally nonstop to impeach this guy, right?

01:31:04.040 It's like, I can't even believe like what I'm seeing here in our country with the corruption

01:31:08.000 in the White House right now.

01:31:09.300 And it's like this, wait, the other side doesn't think this is relevant to talk about,

01:31:13.440 right?

01:31:13.960 Although I guess people are getting wise to it because like you see the latest polls,

01:31:17.320 right?

01:31:17.660 People are not happy with the person in the White House who's really just a kind of a,

01:31:21.580 you know, a hologram for someone else who's behind the scenes and really running the show.

01:31:26.260 But I think that, listen, I wouldn't say that it matters per se because it's based on the

01:31:31.060 person's character.

01:31:32.100 If someone's got the character, they're going to resist the bribery and resist the, you know,

01:31:36.960 having begun the thumb of lobbyists, right?

01:31:39.880 And I think DeSantis is like that, by the way.

01:31:41.900 Um, and I don't, I don't think he's a, he's a very honest guy, but I think that once they

01:31:46.140 get out of the presidency, they're going to get rich.

01:31:48.380 They'll write their books and do their speaking to us.

01:31:50.140 And that's okay.

01:31:51.020 And that's nothing wrong with that, by the way, for a public servant, if you become president,

01:31:54.060 you get out, you get rich, call the power to you, right?

01:31:56.760 But they shouldn't be, you know, when they're there, you know, engaging in corruption or have

01:32:02.560 gotten corrupt along the way as they're public servants and they're in the White House as

01:32:06.060 it is now.

01:32:06.480 So I don't really care if they're rich or poor.

01:32:07.740 What I do care though, is about experience and do they have the experience and, and,

01:32:12.200 and, and the, and the intellect to do the job.

01:32:14.640 It's a very difficult job.

01:32:16.200 And, you know, right now I, I, I believe that only a handful of the candidates have the experience,

01:32:21.480 you know, or the, the emotional metal to be the president of the United States.

01:32:26.100 It takes a lot of it.

01:32:27.300 Do you, do you have a favorite right now on the, on the GOP side who you're rooting for?

01:32:31.480 You know, um, I loved, I, I loved the Santas I did when he was, you know, and I was really

01:32:38.240 hoping he'd get the traction.

01:32:39.660 I thought he was going to get, um, there's things I love about Trump, things I hate about

01:32:43.800 Trump, you know, um, I think Trump is his own worst enemy, but I look at the world, the

01:32:48.780 way it was under his presidency.

01:32:50.720 It was like, it just seemed like a better, a better world.

01:32:53.360 I mean, for sure.

01:32:54.240 Like, I mean, um, you know, there was no wars per se, a far less conflict in the world.

01:32:59.540 We were energy independent.

01:33:00.920 So what was Biden's first move?

01:33:02.600 Let's just get, give up our energy independence.

01:33:04.460 And that set the stage for so much awful shit that poured in after that.

01:33:08.680 It was like, it was like, let's just Sabbath.

01:33:10.840 Let's just shoot ourselves in the foot here and no longer be energy independent.

01:33:14.560 Let's rely on other people and not be exporters.

01:33:16.960 It's insane.

01:33:17.760 It's insane.

01:33:18.480 So that was his first move.

01:33:19.820 And so I have mixed emotions about Trump.

01:33:22.820 You know, it's like Trump, if you look at what was going on, it was very, it was very

01:33:27.560 good for the country.

01:33:28.600 It really was.

01:33:29.880 Um, but there's also like this divisiveness now granted he was, you know, attacked and

01:33:35.120 he was framed for things he didn't do.

01:33:37.240 So he's on the constant attack.

01:33:39.360 Do I think he's in the nicest guy in the world?

01:33:41.400 No, I don't.

01:33:42.060 And I was hoping for a better version of him, but if it's Trump or Biden, I'll take

01:33:45.540 Trump any day of the weekend, twice on Sundays.

01:33:47.420 I'll tell you that much.

01:33:49.620 You're not alone.

01:33:51.140 I'll put up with the tweets.

01:33:52.340 I'll put up with the bad tweets, you know?

01:33:54.320 Well, now he's on truth social.

01:33:55.820 So you don't even have to look at them if you don't want to join his social media company.

01:33:59.240 You can just ignore.

01:34:00.740 I don't know.

01:34:01.240 The country's in, you know, some, some dire shape.

01:34:03.460 What do you think?

01:34:03.960 Like the people out there who are really worried about the economy, because there are a lot

01:34:06.420 of, a lot of them.

01:34:07.520 And Joe Biden just keeps saying, Bidenomics, Bidenomics, it's working.

01:34:10.580 Trust me, it's working.

01:34:12.100 How is the economy in your view?

01:34:13.680 And how's it likely to go over the next few years?

01:34:15.660 You're feeling bullish or bearish?

01:34:16.800 I'm feeling bearish on the economy overall.

01:34:21.700 The problem is inflation.

01:34:23.840 It's really, it's a major problem.

01:34:25.780 And I think it's much higher.

01:34:27.200 I know it's much higher than they're reporting.

01:34:29.980 And, you know, what is that inflation from?

01:34:31.820 You know, when you pay people to not go to work and you just pump money into the economy,

01:34:36.240 what's going to happen?

01:34:37.120 It's like a guarantee that inflation is going to eventually skyrocket.

01:34:40.560 Right.

01:34:40.760 So, so we're feeling the pains of all this money that was pumped into the economy during

01:34:45.520 the pandemic.

01:34:46.600 And, you know, finally it got to the point where they, you know, inflation saw they had

01:34:50.420 to do something to bring down rates.

01:34:51.780 But I don't think that's necessarily just the whole thing is rates is, you know, rates

01:34:55.620 going up.

01:34:56.140 I don't think that's going to solve it on its own.

01:34:58.140 There's got to be a fundamental shift in America.

01:35:00.280 The way we view ourselves as Americans, getting back to work, not trying to be on the dole

01:35:04.880 and really, you know, every person being part of this sort of renaissance for the country,

01:35:10.300 being a leader that inspires people to go out there and work hard as a country.

01:35:15.080 That's what's missing right now.

01:35:16.000 It's like this, we talk about a divide, but, you know, you look at these marches right

01:35:19.940 now and these people are like, I mean, what the hell?

01:35:22.720 I mean, I don't even recognize, Megan, do you recognize the country right now?

01:35:26.680 I don't recognize it.

01:35:27.580 No, no.

01:35:28.380 All those people waving Palestinian flags in front of the White House, screaming Allahu Akbar.

01:35:32.880 It's a no.

01:35:33.360 I don't understand it because, you know, like all those like woke people, you know,

01:35:38.980 with a gay people, people that, you know, trans, transsexual, they go, go to Gaza and 0.98

01:35:45.120 see what, how tolerant they are in Gaza.

01:35:46.900 They'll murder you.

01:35:48.120 They'll string you up alive.

01:35:49.480 Or if you're a woman, go there and they'll have you wear a burqa. 1.00

01:35:51.780 I mean, or a hijab, whatever.

01:35:53.120 The point is like people don't even know what they're protesting for.

01:35:56.440 They're about.

01:35:57.640 It all comes down to skin color and oppression. 0.99

01:36:00.960 Their view of oppression.

01:36:01.980 They don't even understand oppression.

01:36:03.740 Listen, that's all a big tease for the wolf of investing, because anytime you want to

01:36:08.560 hear what Jordan has to think, it's worth your time.

01:36:10.940 He's entertaining.

01:36:11.880 He's brilliant.

01:36:12.960 And you're going to love the book, The Wolf of Investing.

01:36:15.100 Thank you, my friend.

01:36:15.760 One on Amazon right now.

01:36:16.860 So check it out.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 06, 2023

Disaster Polls For Biden, and Overcoming This Economy With Smart Investing, with Sen. Ted Cruz and Jordan Belfort ｜ Ep. 663

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