The Megyn Kelly Show - Disastrous Biden Poll Numbers, Don Lemon's New Meltdown, and Armie Hammer Context, with The Fifth Columns Hosts

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00:00:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show,

00:00:32.520 your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:41.760 Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.400 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.320 President Biden will deliver his State of the Union tonight.

00:00:48.020 Are you excited?

00:00:49.180 No one is.

00:00:50.340 They're always boring,

00:00:51.200 and they're going to be extra boring under this president.

00:00:54.040 That's just the way it is.

00:00:55.480 Some of his invited guests include

00:00:57.240 the parents of Tyree Nichols,

00:00:59.040 Paul Pelosi and Bono,

00:01:03.140 and a bunch of people who have been dealing with cancer,

00:01:06.480 which, if memory serves,

00:01:08.200 Joe Biden was supposed to have solved by now.

00:01:10.800 Remember when President Obama put him in charge of the cancer moonshot?

00:01:15.340 Uh, this is some new poll numbers are not looking so good for President Biden.

00:01:20.600 I mean, not at all.

00:01:22.060 Uh, and this is the fallout from the Chinese spy balloon continues.

00:01:26.260 Wait until you hear how our trusty press secretary tries to explain this.

00:01:29.520 Oh, my God.

00:01:29.960 It's the best soundbite of the day.

00:01:32.060 Joining me now are friends from the Fifth Column podcast,

00:01:34.560 which is available at wethefifth.substack.com.

00:01:39.420 Michael Moynihan, Matt Welsh, and Camille Foster.

00:01:42.540 Welcome back to the show, guys.

00:01:44.420 Hi, Megyn.

00:01:44.900 Thank you for having us.

00:01:45.720 State of the Union.

00:01:47.760 So, the Daily Mail put together a little,

00:01:50.060 a helpful little, um, list of the words,

00:01:53.360 like the bingo that we should be playing tonight,

00:01:55.640 as we listen.

00:01:57.200 And, uh, here's just a couple of the,

00:01:59.560 the things that you have to drink,

00:02:02.000 uh, or put down on your bingo card.

00:02:04.120 January 6th, um,

00:02:06.500 as my mother would say,

00:02:08.000 Chinese spy balloon,

00:02:09.260 balloon, a gaffe,

00:02:10.620 the Amtrak story.

00:02:12.200 I love that.

00:02:14.820 Malarkey.

00:02:15.760 Whispers into the microphone.

00:02:17.900 Shouts.

00:02:18.620 Coughs.

00:02:19.380 Putin.

00:02:20.380 Come on, man.

00:02:21.160 Yes, that was one of them.

00:02:22.560 Um, my predecessor,

00:02:24.760 meaning Trump, of course.

00:02:25.720 Extreme MAGA Republicans.

00:02:27.060 My son, Beau.

00:02:28.400 Uh, Ukraine.

00:02:29.860 When in God's name.

00:02:31.580 Jill.

00:02:32.020 Or, I married a teacher.

00:02:33.880 Infrastructure.

00:02:34.500 Classified documents.

00:02:35.800 Uh, and so on.

00:02:36.740 I love this.

00:02:37.500 We're going to be hammered,

00:02:38.360 but before, like, the first 20 minutes

00:02:39.600 if we drink every time we hear that stuff.

00:02:41.020 We're leaving some,

00:02:41.840 we're leaving some out, though, right?

00:02:43.980 He's going to build the economy.

00:02:45.280 Uh, from the,

00:02:46.900 from the middle out or the ground up.

00:02:48.740 He's always,

00:02:49.400 he's always directionalizing the economy

00:02:51.140 in some,

00:02:51.640 uh, very,

00:02:52.080 uh,

00:02:52.780 helpful way.

00:02:53.360 Because trickle down doesn't work.

00:02:54.680 He will probably remind us again.

00:02:56.140 I like come on, man, a lot.

00:02:57.220 That one, I,

00:02:57.940 you can take that one from the bank.

00:02:59.560 Come on.

00:03:00.840 Do they have,

00:03:01.960 I'm not kidding around?

00:03:03.180 That one's,

00:03:03.560 that's a,

00:03:04.080 yeah.

00:03:04.200 That's gotta be.

00:03:05.780 I'm not kidding around.

00:03:06.920 I don't know about you.

00:03:08.900 Like,

00:03:09.100 I have the same president,

00:03:10.180 the same feeling with this president

00:03:11.280 as I had with the last one,

00:03:12.360 which was whenever you can tell

00:03:13.380 they're going off prompter,

00:03:14.740 you're like,

00:03:15.340 yes,

00:03:17.400 it's a white man experience.

00:03:19.000 Yeah.

00:03:19.400 You're,

00:03:19.780 you're more likely to laugh,

00:03:21.300 um,

00:03:22.100 uh,

00:03:22.360 when the previous guy,

00:03:23.420 um,

00:03:24.020 who I wasn't the world's biggest fan of,

00:03:25.600 but like when he goes off script,

00:03:27.260 you're like,

00:03:27.560 okay,

00:03:28.680 you know,

00:03:29.100 put on a seatbelt.

00:03:30.120 Here we go.

00:03:31.100 Whereas Biden,

00:03:31.900 if he goes off,

00:03:32.560 you're like,

00:03:32.840 oh no,

00:03:33.540 you have this sort of,

00:03:34.300 it's like watching your,

00:03:35.300 your,

00:03:35.580 your six-year-old play cello at the school recital.

00:03:38.340 It's just like,

00:03:38.900 please.

00:03:39.580 And you just like keep the,

00:03:40.920 the bow off the string.

00:03:43.020 Does your six-year-old play the cello,

00:03:44.640 Matt?

00:03:45.060 No,

00:03:45.500 it's just theoretical.

00:03:46.180 Yeah.

00:03:46.780 No,

00:03:47.060 it's,

00:03:47.340 it's true.

00:03:48.060 Like when you see your kid run down the hill

00:03:49.820 when he's like three and he's running

00:03:52.140 and you're running downhill and you're like,

00:03:53.460 oh,

00:03:53.840 is he going to make it?

00:03:56.520 Joe Biden is like a child running down a hill.

00:03:58.980 I think that's probably a good place to start.

00:04:02.500 I did.

00:04:03.340 I had this great benefit,

00:04:05.900 Megan,

00:04:06.560 that I don't watch cable news,

00:04:08.420 not because I had a protest against it

00:04:10.280 or anything like that.

00:04:10.880 I just don't have it.

00:04:11.640 So I don't watch it.

00:04:12.520 But when I travel and I'm currently in a hotel now,

00:04:15.200 I do watch it.

00:04:16.380 I watch it at night.

00:04:17.240 I watch it in the morning when I wake up

00:04:18.640 and I was watching MSNBC,

00:04:20.520 which is a,

00:04:21.420 one of the most hilarious channels.

00:04:23.060 I don't know if you've ever seen this channel.

00:04:24.620 It's great.

00:04:25.400 They just make up the weirdest stuff.

00:04:27.460 And they're still on the,

00:04:29.120 everything was about Trump,

00:04:30.160 by the way.

00:04:30.640 I thought Trump was still the president

00:04:32.200 when I was watching this

00:04:33.180 because like the chyrons at night,

00:04:35.380 the chyrons at morning is all about Trump.

00:04:36.720 But when they got to the thing about Joe Biden,

00:04:38.900 it was just,

00:04:40.020 and Jen Psaki was there

00:04:41.020 and it's like,

00:04:41.380 what does Joe Biden have to do

00:04:43.140 to correct the opinions of stupid Americans?

00:04:46.160 Because there's some kind of,

00:04:48.260 you know,

00:04:48.500 the poll numbers aren't great.

00:04:49.800 People don't have the most confidence

00:04:51.820 in this president,

00:04:52.680 most confidence in the economy,

00:04:53.820 et cetera,

00:04:54.160 but they're all wrong.

00:04:55.760 So why are these stupid Americans

00:04:57.280 not getting it?

00:04:58.200 And what does Joe Biden have to do

00:04:59.520 to make them get it?

00:05:00.700 Which I found to be

00:05:01.880 one of the most condescending

00:05:02.860 and stupid things

00:05:03.600 I've heard in a long time.

00:05:04.720 So that's the report

00:05:06.160 from the MSNBC world.

00:05:08.200 By the way,

00:05:08.580 are you in Florida

00:05:09.520 doing something with Ron DeSantis?

00:05:11.380 That is none of your business,

00:05:12.720 Megyn Kelly.

00:05:13.320 I don't know.

00:05:13.720 I promoted it on Twitter.

00:05:14.900 That is a lie.

00:05:16.280 Did you get some press release?

00:05:17.780 Because-

00:05:18.200 It's all over Twitter.

00:05:19.080 I'm like,

00:05:19.620 is that our Michael Moynihan?

00:05:21.460 Oh, is it on Twitter?

00:05:22.360 Oh, good God.

00:05:22.880 Yes.

00:05:24.960 Yeah, you know, look,

00:05:26.020 they asked me to come down

00:05:27.060 and talk about media stuff

00:05:28.800 and I will never say no

00:05:31.200 for a free trip to Miami.

00:05:33.120 And yeah,

00:05:33.900 it was a very nice,

00:05:35.560 interesting experience.

00:05:36.860 Awesome.

00:05:37.500 I just finished.

00:05:38.140 I just got back.

00:05:39.480 How did it go?

00:05:40.260 Are you ready to vote for him?

00:05:41.140 Well, I mean,

00:05:43.900 if he runs for president,

00:05:46.180 I don't know.

00:05:46.820 He dodges that even in private.

00:05:49.260 But I find him to be

00:05:51.520 an impressive guy.

00:05:53.300 And, you know,

00:05:54.340 I don't have any sense

00:05:55.740 of who I'd be voting for in 2024.

00:05:58.100 But it would be great

00:05:59.320 to have a Republican

00:06:00.220 who is as bright as he is.

00:06:03.140 I mean,

00:06:03.340 regardless of what you think of him,

00:06:04.960 you know,

00:06:05.320 with degrees,

00:06:06.040 I think from Yale and Harvard,

00:06:07.300 but he,

00:06:08.740 even when he's wrong about things,

00:06:10.220 or I think he's wrong about things,

00:06:11.080 he actually has a pretty good

00:06:12.000 handle on the issue.

00:06:12.880 And I can't imagine

00:06:13.800 that being the case

00:06:14.500 if I was sitting down

00:06:15.240 at a round table with Donald Trump.

00:06:17.220 And who is a Gen Xer?

00:06:18.720 I'm pro Gen Xers.

00:06:20.740 I think he's younger than me.

00:06:22.640 I think that's terrifying.

00:06:23.960 Yeah.

00:06:24.260 Yeah.

00:06:24.860 I think he is too.

00:06:26.200 But I just feel like,

00:06:27.440 I love Gen X.

00:06:28.660 Of course,

00:06:29.000 I'm part of Gen X,

00:06:29.920 but I just feel like,

00:06:30.600 we're sort of the

00:06:31.480 no bullshit generation.

00:06:32.740 We're like,

00:06:32.900 just stop the nonsense.

00:06:34.080 Just stop.

00:06:34.600 Stop being a snowflake.

00:06:35.940 Stop complaining about shit

00:06:36.780 that doesn't matter.

00:06:38.260 And yet we haven't crossed over

00:06:40.220 to sort of,

00:06:41.080 you know,

00:06:41.680 true boomer territory

00:06:42.780 where it's like,

00:06:43.420 huh?

00:06:44.000 Where's my pudding?

00:06:45.100 Where's my Matlock?

00:06:45.780 If you want to hear

00:06:46.520 a great defense of Gen X,

00:06:48.040 I just went online

00:06:48.860 a couple of days ago.

00:06:50.560 Brett Easton Ellis,

00:06:51.800 the author of American Psycho,

00:06:53.740 in an interview

00:06:54.580 in which he was saying

00:06:55.580 why Gen X

00:06:56.260 was the greatest generation

00:06:57.720 in these more recent generations

00:06:59.860 have ruined America.

00:07:02.040 It's really,

00:07:02.600 really funny

00:07:02.940 and very,

00:07:03.280 very good.

00:07:04.260 I do want to hear that.

00:07:05.600 And Ron DeSantis is 44.

00:07:07.340 Just to really scare you.

00:07:08.660 That's rude.

00:07:09.420 So he is older than me.

00:07:11.680 Yeah.

00:07:12.020 It's the way I feel

00:07:12.660 when I watch NFL football.

00:07:13.880 I'm like,

00:07:14.620 oh my God,

00:07:15.080 every single one of these men

00:07:16.000 is younger than I am

00:07:16.920 by a lot.

00:07:17.700 Like I could be their mommy

00:07:18.580 at this point.

00:07:19.200 That's terrifying to me.

00:07:21.180 They just always seem

00:07:22.180 like such manly men,

00:07:23.420 like those are the big men.

00:07:24.520 And now it's like,

00:07:25.120 oh my God,

00:07:25.480 there's like my little boys.

00:07:27.240 Is this a transition

00:07:29.360 to an Armie Hammer story?

00:07:31.560 I know you're desperate

00:07:33.940 to get there.

00:07:35.060 We will get to Armie Hammer.

00:07:37.340 But first I want to say

00:07:37.980 on State of the Union.

00:07:38.800 Okay,

00:07:38.940 I don't know why Bono's going.

00:07:40.980 There will be a Dreamer going.

00:07:43.860 Like if he's going

00:07:44.520 to highlight immigration,

00:07:45.900 and I know you guys

00:07:46.520 are libertarians,

00:07:47.200 so you're pro,

00:07:48.000 you're more pro immigration.

00:07:50.240 He's going to go

00:07:50.900 to the Dreamer,

00:07:51.840 right?

00:07:52.160 Really?

00:07:52.620 And ignore what's

00:07:53.680 happening right now

00:07:54.500 at our southern border.

00:07:55.740 I mean,

00:07:56.160 this will be really interesting

00:07:57.220 to listen to how he handles.

00:07:59.140 This is a crisis

00:08:00.040 in his administration.

00:08:01.860 It's a true crisis.

00:08:03.940 And was he going to spend time

00:08:05.180 highlighting the Dreamers?

00:08:06.960 He came to New York City,

00:08:09.080 where I live,

00:08:10.740 and Moynihan sometimes

00:08:12.020 lives close to,

00:08:12.840 and Megan,

00:08:13.140 you're not that far,

00:08:14.160 recently.

00:08:15.440 And he didn't visit

00:08:17.000 any of the migrant centers

00:08:19.100 where there's,

00:08:19.880 I mean,

00:08:20.040 there's a lot of chaos

00:08:20.780 in New York City,

00:08:21.720 and there's a lot of tumult

00:08:23.060 and upset,

00:08:23.640 and Eric Adams

00:08:24.080 is making points at it.

00:08:25.180 He didn't visit that

00:08:26.560 and see what's going on.

00:08:27.600 It would seem to be

00:08:28.700 a thing that a president

00:08:29.940 of the United States

00:08:30.580 might want to do.

00:08:32.360 So it's to bring a Dreamer,

00:08:34.020 and I don't like

00:08:35.640 the branding of Dreamer

00:08:36.900 because it just feels

00:08:37.900 so cloying and manipulative.

00:08:39.620 I'm in favor of

00:08:40.460 legalizing more people

00:08:41.460 and having more

00:08:42.060 of a legal pathway.

00:08:43.640 But having a Dreamer

00:08:45.140 at the State of the Union

00:08:45.780 is a pretty 2013 move,

00:08:48.880 2011 move.

00:08:50.180 Yes.

00:08:50.500 And also,

00:08:52.360 it points to

00:08:53.620 the uncomfortable fact

00:08:54.640 that the Democrats

00:08:55.400 had majorities

00:08:56.700 in both houses

00:08:57.240 and the presidency

00:08:58.260 the last two years.

00:09:00.480 What were they doing

00:09:01.240 for the Dreamers then?

00:09:03.540 You know,

00:09:04.060 was there some legislation

00:09:05.340 that I missed

00:09:05.980 about that?

00:09:07.140 So it's a really odd thing

00:09:08.320 to do

00:09:08.860 when border crossings

00:09:10.440 are at an all-time high

00:09:11.920 and the communities

00:09:13.100 on the border

00:09:13.580 are really,

00:09:14.180 really severely impacted,

00:09:15.480 and the people there

00:09:16.540 are changing their politics

00:09:17.900 because of it,

00:09:18.980 as Moynihan has found out

00:09:20.680 traveling down

00:09:21.340 to southern Texas.

00:09:22.700 So yeah,

00:09:23.080 that's a pretty odd play

00:09:24.240 for him to do

00:09:24.940 even if I'm more

00:09:27.040 in favor of

00:09:27.760 liberalized immigration.

00:09:29.100 Let me give you the numbers

00:09:29.800 and then you take it,

00:09:31.940 Camille.

00:09:32.160 The latest numbers,

00:09:33.220 fiscal year 2022,

00:09:35.000 more than 2.3 million

00:09:37.800 encounters along

00:09:39.160 the southern border.

00:09:39.880 I mean,

00:09:40.060 I remember when we used

00:09:40.920 to freak out

00:09:41.400 at the prospect

00:09:41.980 of 1 million.

00:09:43.400 That was like

00:09:43.960 five-alarm fire territory

00:09:45.960 when we talked about it

00:09:46.700 on Fox.

00:09:47.100 More than 2.3 million

00:09:49.060 last year alone.

00:09:51.420 December numbers

00:09:52.260 were 251,000 and change.

00:09:54.040 November,

00:09:54.780 233,000 and change.

00:09:56.520 Again,

00:09:56.860 it wasn't so long ago

00:09:58.000 that if it got to 100,000,

00:09:59.360 we were like,

00:09:59.800 oh my God.

00:10:00.660 And even Obama

00:10:01.420 administration officials

00:10:02.360 were saying true crisis

00:10:03.440 at those numbers.

00:10:04.920 And now we're double.

00:10:06.340 And he's going to

00:10:06.920 talk about a dreamer?

00:10:09.360 Well,

00:10:09.820 I mean,

00:10:10.000 at this point

00:10:10.500 in the Biden presidency,

00:10:11.760 you would expect

00:10:12.560 the State of the Union

00:10:13.340 to focus on

00:10:14.040 all of his various

00:10:14.740 legislative accomplishments,

00:10:15.860 all the things

00:10:16.540 he's getting done

00:10:17.200 for the American people.

00:10:18.280 And the reality is

00:10:18.980 that talking about

00:10:19.640 the immigration issue

00:10:20.860 and the situation

00:10:22.200 at the border,

00:10:22.760 which is untenable,

00:10:23.940 I mean,

00:10:24.140 even for people

00:10:24.700 who are generally

00:10:25.580 in favor of less restrictions,

00:10:27.000 who want to see

00:10:27.800 the immigration system

00:10:28.960 improved in ways

00:10:29.900 that make it easier

00:10:30.660 for people to come here,

00:10:32.000 we have not done

00:10:32.980 a great job of that.

00:10:33.760 I just met someone

00:10:34.480 who was a Ukrainian refugee

00:10:36.380 who's been in the country

00:10:37.520 for a little over a year

00:10:38.560 who was desperately

00:10:39.600 trying to get legal

00:10:40.980 so that she could work

00:10:42.020 in this country

00:10:42.680 because she's been stranded here.

00:10:44.060 She was here at the time

00:10:44.840 the war started,

00:10:46.000 could not go home

00:10:46.840 for obvious reasons.

00:10:48.440 And knowing people,

00:10:49.700 being relatively well-connected,

00:10:51.120 it still took about a year

00:10:52.340 for that to be straightened out.

00:10:54.400 It seems like

00:10:54.960 the sort of situation

00:10:55.660 where we're committing

00:10:56.200 so many resources,

00:10:57.460 you would expect

00:10:58.040 that to be fixed,

00:10:58.680 but that doesn't work well.

00:10:59.920 The Inflation Reduction Act

00:11:02.040 hasn't been terribly successful

00:11:03.540 in some important respects.

00:11:05.020 You can't say it

00:11:05.680 with a straight face.

00:11:06.780 You have to do

00:11:07.080 it using the air quotes.

00:11:08.100 That's true.

00:11:08.920 I mean,

00:11:09.100 you're supposed to be talking

00:11:10.060 about achievements here.

00:11:11.180 And I just think that

00:11:12.340 apart from some kind of

00:11:14.820 like Jedi mind tricks,

00:11:16.340 like the president

00:11:16.900 is going to have to try

00:11:18.480 and frame things

00:11:19.440 in as affirmative

00:11:20.420 and positive a way

00:11:21.440 as possible.

00:11:21.960 And that probably means

00:11:23.140 ignoring certain things

00:11:24.460 that are inconvenient

00:11:25.640 because they are still

00:11:26.980 conspicuously wrong

00:11:28.520 and broken,

00:11:29.100 especially things

00:11:29.700 that he was denying

00:11:30.500 for the longest time,

00:11:31.720 like immigration.

00:11:33.400 There's no crisis

00:11:34.240 at the border.

00:11:35.120 Like inflation,

00:11:35.860 there's no inflation.

00:11:36.700 It's just, you know,

00:11:37.300 transit.

00:11:37.760 It'll be fine.

00:11:38.580 It'll be fine.

00:11:39.200 Toughen up.

00:11:39.820 Until it's not.

00:11:41.180 You're so right.

00:11:42.160 God, that's such

00:11:42.700 an interesting point.

00:11:43.400 Like immigration

00:11:44.680 will be on the list

00:11:45.500 of ignore

00:11:46.200 for the love of God.

00:11:47.500 Ignore.

00:11:48.020 There's no good news

00:11:49.060 there for us

00:11:49.740 if you're one

00:11:50.440 of his advisors.

00:11:51.140 And yet he appears

00:11:52.840 to be getting ready

00:11:53.560 to go there.

00:11:54.220 Why else is a dreamer coming?

00:11:55.540 You use the people

00:11:56.340 in the audience

00:11:56.780 that you brought

00:11:57.340 to make a point.

00:11:58.280 So if he tries

00:11:59.260 to take something

00:11:59.840 close to a victory

00:12:00.620 left on immigration,

00:12:01.540 it's going to be

00:12:02.160 a massive story tomorrow.

00:12:03.400 It will be one

00:12:03.940 of the headlines

00:12:04.480 just to offer this

00:12:06.380 because we talked

00:12:06.840 about New York City

00:12:07.540 and how these

00:12:08.940 border state governors

00:12:09.940 are sending

00:12:10.420 these migrants

00:12:11.040 up to the northeast

00:12:12.360 and, you know,

00:12:13.220 these northernmost states,

00:12:14.700 which is not great

00:12:16.240 for us since we live here,

00:12:17.300 but I support it

00:12:18.060 because why should

00:12:19.100 the southern border folks

00:12:20.220 have to deal

00:12:20.700 with all of these consequences?

00:12:22.200 You know,

00:12:22.360 it's like they're trying

00:12:22.840 to let everybody else

00:12:23.980 feel what they feel

00:12:24.820 and what they're going through.

00:12:26.340 But this incredible report

00:12:28.960 out of the New York Post

00:12:30.240 talking about now

00:12:31.840 how these migrants

00:12:33.860 who have been brought

00:12:34.580 to New York City

00:12:35.260 and around

00:12:35.720 are now fleeing,

00:12:37.700 that's the word used,

00:12:39.460 to Canada.

00:12:40.440 They are fleeing

00:12:41.340 to Canada

00:12:42.320 and we are helping them.

00:12:44.940 National Guard soldiers

00:12:45.800 have been helping

00:12:46.500 distribute tickets

00:12:47.320 at the Port Authority

00:12:48.060 bus terminal

00:12:48.600 in Manhattan

00:12:49.160 to migrants

00:12:52.700 who want to head

00:12:53.440 farther upstate

00:12:54.840 before crossing

00:12:55.640 into Canada,

00:12:56.980 according to several

00:12:57.720 migrants interviewed.

00:12:59.580 And then the piece

00:13:00.740 is incredible

00:13:01.260 because it goes through

00:13:02.220 the interviews

00:13:03.420 that The Post did

00:13:04.260 with migrants

00:13:05.180 sitting at Penn,

00:13:06.400 not Penn Station,

00:13:07.580 at Port Authority.

00:13:09.580 That's the bus station.

00:13:11.360 There's one guy,

00:13:12.600 one gal,

00:13:13.320 Peruvian native

00:13:14.200 Susie Sanchez Solzarno.

00:13:16.240 She's 33.

00:13:17.700 She had been put up

00:13:19.860 at the Marriott Hotel

00:13:20.800 in Queens.

00:13:21.420 It's amazing how,

00:13:22.580 I mean,

00:13:22.720 like we take such good care

00:13:23.780 of these folks.

00:13:24.260 Like they come into

00:13:24.740 the country illegally

00:13:25.300 because she's in a Marriott

00:13:26.320 that's been using

00:13:27.580 as an emergency shelter.

00:13:29.740 But then she's head north

00:13:31.120 for Greener Pastures

00:13:32.120 saying, quote,

00:13:32.900 I wanted to live in New York

00:13:34.740 because I thought

00:13:35.260 it would be a better future

00:13:36.040 for my daughters.

00:13:37.180 But as the days went by,

00:13:38.780 I saw insecurity,

00:13:40.300 many homeless people,

00:13:41.680 many people who shout

00:13:42.660 and are disrespectful

00:13:43.580 and many people on drugs.

00:13:45.460 I am going to Canada

00:13:46.580 for the safety

00:13:47.200 and future of my girls.

00:13:48.880 I only ask God

00:13:49.880 that everything goes well

00:13:50.780 and that Canada

00:13:51.480 is not like the United States.

00:13:54.100 Wow.

00:13:54.980 Yeah.

00:13:55.520 Yes.

00:13:56.160 Depends on where you go,

00:13:57.240 I guess, in Canada.

00:13:58.600 No, I mean,

00:13:59.040 she's not wrong.

00:13:59.780 It's a pretty trenchant

00:14:00.620 criticism of New York

00:14:02.360 these days.

00:14:03.360 And, you know,

00:14:03.900 I have to say

00:14:05.320 that I have a lot of respect

00:14:06.580 for people who,

00:14:07.980 I mean,

00:14:08.220 it's not them

00:14:09.080 that are making the decision

00:14:09.940 to rack up

00:14:11.320 the Hilton honors points

00:14:12.980 for, you know,

00:14:13.960 six months straight

00:14:14.740 in a hotel,

00:14:15.360 which I find incredibly bizarre.

00:14:17.280 But the thing about it

00:14:18.100 is that, like,

00:14:18.600 when she comes here

00:14:19.640 and says,

00:14:19.900 I expect things to be better.

00:14:21.680 I mean,

00:14:22.200 the people that really

00:14:23.420 have a hold America

00:14:24.500 and a high esteem

00:14:25.300 are often the ones

00:14:26.460 that are showing up

00:14:27.580 at, you know,

00:14:28.540 the border

00:14:28.920 or people that are coming

00:14:29.720 to New York.

00:14:30.320 I mean, obviously,

00:14:31.120 a lot of these people

00:14:31.620 that came to New York

00:14:32.140 actually wanted to come to New York.

00:14:33.300 And that was an interaction

00:14:34.520 for people

00:14:35.580 on the southern border

00:14:36.480 that either had relatives here

00:14:37.600 or actually saw

00:14:38.400 a better future in New York

00:14:39.340 and come here

00:14:40.380 and see the absolute chaos.

00:14:41.700 But as far as politically,

00:14:44.020 you know,

00:14:44.500 I,

00:14:45.280 like you pointed out,

00:14:46.280 Megan,

00:14:46.440 I think it's pretty uniform

00:14:47.940 with the three of us,

00:14:49.300 don't like chaos

00:14:51.240 on the border,

00:14:52.440 don't think the right

00:14:53.440 solution to this

00:14:54.320 is everybody run across

00:14:56.020 at the same time,

00:14:56.880 but more of a process

00:14:58.040 that allows

00:14:58.740 more people

00:14:59.880 to work legally.

00:15:01.420 But, you know,

00:15:02.260 it's not going to be good

00:15:03.200 for anyone.

00:15:04.020 When you see these stories

00:15:05.200 in the New York Post,

00:15:06.040 you see these stories

00:15:06.780 in New York media

00:15:07.540 where people are

00:15:09.640 pulled out of hotels,

00:15:12.920 shockingly,

00:15:13.840 and put into

00:15:15.140 other sort of centers

00:15:16.480 around like the ports

00:15:17.560 in New York.

00:15:18.540 And they say,

00:15:19.280 we don't want to go.

00:15:20.400 We want to stay in the hotel

00:15:21.480 and we're going to go outside

00:15:22.260 and protest this.

00:15:23.440 And the interview

00:15:24.460 that I saw

00:15:24.960 with the person

00:15:25.380 leading the protest

00:15:26.220 was so stunning to me

00:15:28.040 that it's like,

00:15:28.740 this is,

00:15:29.980 I thought he might have

00:15:30.860 been a Republican operative.

00:15:32.400 He must have been,

00:15:33.520 must have been like,

00:15:34.500 because he was saying

00:15:35.060 that, you know,

00:15:35.500 look, I really,

00:15:37.040 it was really comfortable

00:15:37.720 in the hotel

00:15:38.200 and this just isn't

00:15:39.060 as comfortable,

00:15:39.860 so we don't want to go

00:15:40.940 and we're going to protest it.

00:15:42.160 And that kind of thing

00:15:43.180 is really shocking to people.

00:15:44.560 I've seen,

00:15:44.880 it's been sent around

00:15:45.660 with a bunch of people

00:15:46.340 that I've seen on Facebook

00:15:47.520 and other things

00:15:48.400 amongst sort of

00:15:49.140 average Americans

00:15:49.780 who don't think

00:15:50.340 about immigration policy,

00:15:51.920 but they're like,

00:15:52.620 really?

00:15:53.500 I mean,

00:15:53.780 you came in here illegally,

00:15:54.720 you're transited

00:15:56.060 to New York

00:15:56.780 by the government

00:15:58.260 who in most other countries

00:16:00.120 in the world

00:16:00.520 would transit you

00:16:01.200 right back over the border

00:16:02.080 and then put up

00:16:03.020 on accommodations

00:16:03.700 and then says,

00:16:04.560 you know,

00:16:04.680 this is not sustainable,

00:16:05.440 we're going to move you

00:16:06.000 somewhere else.

00:16:06.780 And there's a protest

00:16:08.040 that the conditions

00:16:09.460 that you're being put in

00:16:11.060 are not nice enough.

00:16:13.060 Yeah.

00:16:13.180 That is really,

00:16:14.280 really bad

00:16:14.880 for Democrats,

00:16:16.880 I think,

00:16:17.260 those kind of images.

00:16:18.820 And if Republicans

00:16:19.420 were smart,

00:16:19.920 they would actually

00:16:20.620 exploit that

00:16:21.220 and say that

00:16:21.760 this is not sustainable

00:16:23.620 and people are getting

00:16:24.620 very comfortable

00:16:25.320 with the current regime,

00:16:26.760 which is no longer sustainable.

00:16:28.440 Did you see that

00:16:28.860 one of the reasons why,

00:16:30.540 go ahead,

00:16:31.040 make it sorry.

00:16:31.760 I was just going to say

00:16:32.340 a friend of mine

00:16:32.740 who's an MSNBC lover

00:16:33.940 who I saw in Manhattan

00:16:35.780 not long ago

00:16:36.460 was outraged about this.

00:16:38.200 But they were saying,

00:16:38.740 can you believe

00:16:39.320 these migrants

00:16:40.680 who are protesting

00:16:41.380 the fact that we're

00:16:42.000 putting them up

00:16:42.520 on our dollar

00:16:43.100 at these three-star hotels?

00:16:44.780 I mean,

00:16:44.880 these are nice hotels

00:16:45.620 that they're at

00:16:46.040 in Hell's Kitchen

00:16:46.580 and elsewhere.

00:16:47.440 It's not like luxury,

00:16:48.500 they're not at the Ritz,

00:16:49.240 but they're doing just fine

00:16:50.720 and they're pissed.

00:16:52.000 They don't want to go

00:16:52.400 to the centers.

00:16:53.500 And by the way,

00:16:54.060 who was at the centers

00:16:55.000 before?

00:16:55.560 Abused women.

00:16:56.280 We're throwing the abused women

00:16:57.500 out of the shelters

00:16:58.340 so we can house these people

00:16:59.780 and they're still mad.

00:17:00.760 Go ahead, Matt.

00:17:02.320 One of the reasons

00:17:03.100 why they don't want

00:17:03.760 to go to the centers,

00:17:05.200 specifically in Red Hook,

00:17:06.560 which is not far

00:17:07.280 from where I live,

00:17:07.980 yet it's not where I live.

00:17:09.800 Red Hook is famously

00:17:10.960 isolated.

00:17:14.100 It's famously isolated.

00:17:15.300 It's kind of hard

00:17:15.760 to get to Manhattan

00:17:16.960 from Red Hook

00:17:17.740 unless you take

00:17:18.480 a weird Ikea ferry.

00:17:20.500 And they don't want

00:17:21.300 to do it

00:17:21.740 because they work

00:17:22.840 illegally as bicycle messengers

00:17:24.800 on those little

00:17:25.340 electric e-bikes

00:17:26.500 delivering crap

00:17:27.720 to, you know,

00:17:28.620 Cat Timp

00:17:29.120 at all hours of the day.

00:17:32.160 And they don't want

00:17:33.420 to have the extra

00:17:34.140 commute hassle.

00:17:35.860 Yeah, that's not going

00:17:36.500 to be a good advertisement

00:17:37.380 for anybody.

00:17:39.220 It's not a great look

00:17:40.600 to have a bunch

00:17:41.280 of usually working age males

00:17:45.220 alone,

00:17:45.880 in often cases,

00:17:47.360 congregated at places

00:17:48.820 and then not either

00:17:50.400 allowed to work

00:17:51.460 or not allowed

00:17:52.760 to work legally.

00:17:53.520 It's just a recipe

00:17:54.280 for disaster.

00:17:55.200 And yeah,

00:17:55.680 I mean,

00:17:56.460 if I came to Port Authority

00:17:58.120 as my first look

00:17:59.120 in America,

00:17:59.940 I think I'd go to,

00:18:01.100 I might go to Venezuela

00:18:01.900 after that.

00:18:02.740 It is,

00:18:02.940 it's pretty grim right now.

00:18:05.820 It is America's Venezuela

00:18:07.160 at the moment.

00:18:07.900 It's not like seeing

00:18:08.900 Lady Liberty

00:18:09.840 as you come across

00:18:10.720 the ocean.

00:18:11.180 That is like,

00:18:11.960 that's a beautiful moment

00:18:12.960 that people can remember

00:18:14.120 forever.

00:18:14.940 Port Authority's like,

00:18:15.960 oh my God,

00:18:17.240 help me.

00:18:19.040 Just to put some numbers

00:18:20.060 on it again,

00:18:21.480 as of Wednesday,

00:18:22.520 there were an estimated

00:18:23.500 almost 44,000 plus migrants

00:18:26.200 had flooded into New York City

00:18:27.640 since the spring

00:18:28.780 with more than 28,000

00:18:30.820 living in 83 hotels

00:18:32.580 and five humanitarian

00:18:34.720 emergency response

00:18:35.960 and relief centers,

00:18:36.960 which are basically hotels,

00:18:38.700 along with the Brooklyn

00:18:39.700 Cruise Terminal.

00:18:40.940 I mean,

00:18:41.060 it's bad

00:18:41.620 and it's getting worse.

00:18:42.580 So we'll see

00:18:43.140 what the president

00:18:44.180 has to say about that.

00:18:45.060 Okay,

00:18:45.180 a couple other notations

00:18:46.660 on the guest list

00:18:48.180 for tonight.

00:18:50.460 Paul Pelosi,

00:18:51.380 we all know why he's there.

00:18:52.460 Republican right wing rhetoric

00:18:54.360 leads to danger.

00:18:56.240 That's,

00:18:56.540 that's what it's going to be.

00:18:57.280 The guy who loved BLM

00:18:58.640 and he loved LGBTQ

00:18:59.540 and he was a nudist

00:19:00.840 all over San Francisco,

00:19:02.580 ultimately found his way

00:19:03.440 to QAnon

00:19:04.000 and that therefore

00:19:04.680 it's all the right wing's fault.

00:19:06.480 The right wing needs

00:19:07.000 to be silenced

00:19:07.560 or we're going to have

00:19:08.300 more Paul Pelosi's,

00:19:09.400 something like that.

00:19:10.000 But then here's this one.

00:19:12.720 The mother and stepfather

00:19:14.020 of Tyree Nichols,

00:19:15.360 the 29 year old

00:19:16.100 unarmed black man

00:19:16.840 who died in Memphis

00:19:18.140 at the hands

00:19:18.640 of those five cops.

00:19:19.760 Here's what I will say.

00:19:21.060 Everybody was outraged

00:19:22.000 about that video.

00:19:22.680 It was disgusting.

00:19:23.820 But when I saw

00:19:25.520 that his parents

00:19:26.180 were being invited

00:19:27.560 to the State of the Union,

00:19:29.100 I thought,

00:19:29.600 that's not a good idea.

00:19:31.460 You know why?

00:19:32.080 Because it's still

00:19:32.660 the United States of America

00:19:33.760 and those cops are on trial.

00:19:35.280 They're facing

00:19:35.620 second degree murder charges

00:19:36.780 and it's just,

00:19:37.800 it's not time yet.

00:19:38.580 Let's wait until

00:19:39.380 we have a conviction

00:19:40.040 until they've been given

00:19:41.300 due process

00:19:42.000 and we've had the jury system.

00:19:43.840 Like, look what happened

00:19:44.400 in Kyle Rittenhouse.

00:19:45.640 You had Joe Biden

00:19:46.560 running around

00:19:47.020 calling him a white supremacist.

00:19:49.080 That specific charge

00:19:50.120 was never sustained

00:19:51.700 against Kyle Rittenhouse,

00:19:53.200 nor were the criminal charges

00:19:54.820 against him sustained.

00:19:56.520 He rushed to judgment

00:19:57.960 and convicted this guy

00:19:58.940 in the court of public opinion

00:20:00.080 before his trial.

00:20:01.340 And I agree,

00:20:02.320 what we saw on that tape

00:20:03.020 was horrible.

00:20:03.600 And these guys

00:20:03.940 have been disciplined

00:20:04.820 already by their department.

00:20:05.840 They've been fired.

00:20:07.240 But,

00:20:07.700 and if that's all

00:20:09.060 that had happened,

00:20:09.720 I think we'd be

00:20:10.420 on safer ground.

00:20:11.000 But the fact that

00:20:11.560 they're facing criminal charges

00:20:13.740 says to me,

00:20:15.400 the parents should not go

00:20:17.080 to the State of the Union.

00:20:17.920 They should not be held up

00:20:18.820 in this way.

00:20:19.640 We should let that play out

00:20:20.740 to preserve the integrity

00:20:21.720 of the process.

00:20:23.260 Am I wrong?

00:20:25.480 I mean,

00:20:25.900 it certainly feels like,

00:20:26.860 it feels like an odd choice,

00:20:28.380 especially considering

00:20:30.020 the circumstances.

00:20:30.800 I mean,

00:20:31.400 one,

00:20:31.760 in the president's defense,

00:20:32.840 I suppose,

00:20:33.760 you know,

00:20:33.940 Terry Nichols is dead.

00:20:35.380 He was killed.

00:20:36.280 And the circumstances

00:20:37.400 seem disconcerting.

00:20:39.160 So expressing publicly

00:20:40.940 your support for the family

00:20:42.500 in this difficult time,

00:20:44.640 okay.

00:20:45.220 But as you pointed out,

00:20:46.800 and I think appropriately,

00:20:48.260 we don't know

00:20:48.980 all of the things

00:20:49.720 that happened here.

00:20:50.520 We don't know

00:20:50.960 what an investigation might yield.

00:20:52.420 My suspicion is

00:20:53.200 that we probably

00:20:53.700 won't learn anything

00:20:54.680 that makes us anything

00:20:55.760 less than sympathetic

00:20:56.580 towards the family.

00:20:58.060 But that said,

00:20:59.040 given what this family

00:21:01.600 has been through

00:21:02.280 and the loss

00:21:03.340 that they've suffered

00:21:04.060 and the fact

00:21:04.500 that there is

00:21:05.120 this massive

00:21:05.860 criminal investigation

00:21:07.060 and prosecution

00:21:07.880 that is about

00:21:08.560 to get underway,

00:21:09.600 I'm not sure

00:21:10.780 I understand

00:21:11.600 why they would want

00:21:12.360 to participate

00:21:12.940 in an explicitly

00:21:14.380 kind of political

00:21:16.260 public event

00:21:17.360 like this.

00:21:18.660 The State of the Union

00:21:19.360 is not kind of

00:21:20.220 neutral grounds.

00:21:21.380 It is the president

00:21:22.240 getting,

00:21:22.940 you know,

00:21:23.640 uproarious applause

00:21:24.620 from his side

00:21:25.540 and taking shots

00:21:26.960 at the other side

00:21:27.740 on occasion.

00:21:29.720 It just seems

00:21:30.320 like a kind of

00:21:30.860 odd fit

00:21:31.540 for an event

00:21:32.200 like this,

00:21:32.720 certainly to me anyways.

00:21:34.380 There used to be

00:21:34.860 a tradition.

00:21:35.700 I spend too much time

00:21:37.160 reading old

00:21:37.820 State of the Union

00:21:38.340 addresses

00:21:38.740 and comparing

00:21:41.060 comps.

00:21:42.440 No, it's fun.

00:21:43.300 Somebody send

00:21:44.100 the flowered bus

00:21:45.120 to go get Matt.

00:21:46.860 It's not fun, Matt.

00:21:48.560 Richard Nixon

00:21:49.140 in 1971

00:21:52.420 promised he was

00:21:53.100 going to cure cancer.

00:21:54.080 I find that fascinating.

00:21:55.440 Joe Biden

00:21:56.980 could just

00:21:57.280 control V

00:21:57.840 some of this stuff

00:21:58.500 and probably

00:21:59.020 will without

00:22:00.120 taking credit

00:22:00.780 for it

00:22:01.180 judging on his

00:22:01.760 past history.

00:22:03.100 But a tradition

00:22:04.800 up until some point

00:22:06.660 kind of recently

00:22:07.540 was always

00:22:08.300 that the president

00:22:09.200 was talking about

00:22:10.420 issues that had

00:22:11.520 something to do

00:22:12.360 with the federal

00:22:12.980 government,

00:22:14.280 including the way

00:22:15.660 it's operated,

00:22:16.780 something to do

00:22:17.260 with the executive

00:22:17.780 branch.

00:22:18.580 He's extolling

00:22:20.640 Congress that maybe

00:22:21.760 the legislative

00:22:22.320 branch should pay

00:22:23.700 attention to these

00:22:24.500 issues that he finds

00:22:25.360 to be a priority

00:22:26.360 and this type of stuff.

00:22:27.460 And also what's

00:22:28.540 the report on

00:22:29.080 foreign policy

00:22:29.760 and the things

00:22:30.180 that the executive

00:22:31.240 chief executive

00:22:32.400 has kind of

00:22:33.300 direct impact over.

00:22:35.540 So what would

00:22:36.280 that look like

00:22:36.920 if he was being

00:22:37.740 serious about

00:22:39.200 being head

00:22:40.540 of the executive

00:22:41.060 branch

00:22:41.560 and the

00:22:42.880 Department of

00:22:43.320 Justice

00:22:43.660 in this case

00:22:44.900 or in other

00:22:45.320 cases?

00:22:45.740 It would be

00:22:46.540 something to do

00:22:47.260 in my civil

00:22:48.400 libertarian heart

00:22:49.240 would be,

00:22:50.660 oh, okay,

00:22:51.260 we just,

00:22:52.160 you know,

00:22:52.640 exonerated or

00:22:53.520 released from jail.

00:22:54.380 Actually,

00:22:54.620 Donald Trump

00:22:55.020 did this,

00:22:55.740 someone who

00:22:56.140 shouldn't be

00:22:56.580 rotting in jail

00:22:57.240 for the rest

00:22:57.700 of her life

00:22:58.220 because she

00:22:58.780 violated a

00:23:00.300 drug policy

00:23:01.900 that we have

00:23:02.780 since a backtrack

00:23:03.560 from.

00:23:03.920 This type of

00:23:04.340 thing,

00:23:04.880 you know,

00:23:05.220 show apology

00:23:07.300 or show

00:23:08.440 kind of empathy

00:23:09.480 for people

00:23:10.120 that the federal

00:23:10.780 government has

00:23:11.560 wronged in the

00:23:12.680 criminal justice

00:23:13.300 system or say

00:23:14.720 something very,

00:23:15.460 very specific

00:23:16.060 about how either

00:23:17.400 the enforcement

00:23:18.080 of laws and the

00:23:19.300 priority of it

00:23:20.200 or possible

00:23:21.260 legislation that

00:23:21.960 you could pass

00:23:22.660 would have some

00:23:24.020 positive impact

00:23:25.200 on the way that

00:23:25.780 the criminal

00:23:26.200 justice system

00:23:26.940 is administered

00:23:28.020 in this country

00:23:28.800 and I'm afraid

00:23:29.540 that none of

00:23:30.400 this is like

00:23:30.840 that anymore.

00:23:31.420 It's just like

00:23:31.880 this generated

00:23:33.000 headlines,

00:23:33.800 I'm going to

00:23:34.400 deliver sympathy

00:23:36.200 for it and

00:23:37.520 make a spectacle

00:23:38.220 of it and

00:23:38.960 that's not really,

00:23:40.040 we should think

00:23:41.160 more about the

00:23:42.060 way governance

00:23:42.860 is done in

00:23:43.940 this country

00:23:44.420 instead of just

00:23:45.440 having this instinct

00:23:46.200 to play politics

00:23:47.060 anytime there's a

00:23:48.040 camera crew

00:23:48.540 somewhere.

00:23:49.300 Although you

00:23:49.720 mentioning that

00:23:50.360 reminds me.

00:23:51.380 Let me jump in

00:23:51.740 first and then

00:23:52.220 I'll give you

00:23:52.520 the final meal.

00:23:53.080 But how about

00:23:53.740 the fact that

00:23:54.300 Cori Bush,

00:23:55.600 Cori Bush is

00:23:56.340 inviting as her

00:23:57.480 guest,

00:23:59.020 she's been over

00:23:59.580 the squad for

00:24:00.200 people not

00:24:00.620 familiar,

00:24:01.580 Democrat.

00:24:03.720 She's inviting

00:24:04.440 as her guest

00:24:05.000 Michael Brown

00:24:05.840 Sr.,

00:24:07.000 the father of

00:24:08.320 Michael Brown

00:24:08.820 saying the

00:24:11.060 police,

00:24:11.980 she said this

00:24:12.540 to playbook,

00:24:13.360 the police

00:24:13.680 killing of

00:24:14.060 Michael Brown

00:24:14.520 in 2014 is

00:24:15.260 what propelled

00:24:15.860 me and many

00:24:16.380 others into

00:24:16.840 lives dedicated

00:24:17.600 to building a

00:24:18.180 world,

00:24:18.540 where Mike

00:24:19.340 would still

00:24:19.800 be here

00:24:20.260 with us,

00:24:21.080 a world

00:24:21.540 where his

00:24:21.960 life could

00:24:22.320 not be

00:24:22.680 taken from

00:24:23.160 him,

00:24:24.060 a world

00:24:24.500 where Tyree

00:24:25.040 Nichols and

00:24:25.520 the thousands

00:24:25.860 of other

00:24:26.220 black people

00:24:26.660 killed by

00:24:27.040 police could

00:24:27.480 live long

00:24:27.900 healthy lives

00:24:28.500 full of

00:24:29.200 joy.

00:24:31.340 And this

00:24:32.280 is such a

00:24:33.620 lie.

00:24:35.020 It's a lie

00:24:35.780 to bring the

00:24:37.360 father of

00:24:38.120 Michael Brown

00:24:38.860 who a

00:24:40.200 black attorney

00:24:40.960 general under

00:24:41.700 a black

00:24:42.220 president

00:24:42.800 concluded

00:24:43.680 had charged

00:24:45.160 at the

00:24:45.680 officer that

00:24:46.860 he was having

00:24:47.260 the confrontation

00:24:47.820 with and

00:24:48.500 that his

00:24:48.820 life was

00:24:49.260 taken sadly

00:24:50.040 but justifiably

00:24:51.040 by that

00:24:51.480 cop who

00:24:52.520 everybody

00:24:52.920 wrongly

00:24:53.620 said had

00:24:54.660 his hands

00:24:55.040 up and

00:24:55.360 was saying

00:24:55.720 don't shoot

00:24:56.220 that was a

00:24:56.660 lie.

00:24:57.920 And even

00:24:58.300 very well

00:24:59.320 known black

00:25:00.040 commentators

00:25:00.660 have come

00:25:01.020 out since

00:25:01.400 Jonathan

00:25:01.720 Capehart

00:25:02.120 saying I'm

00:25:02.560 sorry that

00:25:03.100 was a

00:25:03.360 lie and I

00:25:03.820 shouldn't have

00:25:04.120 pushed it.

00:25:04.620 I should have

00:25:04.820 been more

00:25:05.080 questioning.

00:25:05.980 By the way,

00:25:06.260 Eric Holder's

00:25:06.960 conclusions was

00:25:07.880 based on the

00:25:08.340 testimony.

00:25:08.960 They were

00:25:09.320 based on the

00:25:09.680 testimony of

00:25:10.120 five black

00:25:11.160 witnesses who

00:25:12.140 watched it.

00:25:12.700 What is she

00:25:15.120 doing?

00:25:15.700 She never

00:25:16.480 misses a chance

00:25:17.260 to race bait.

00:25:18.160 Sorry, go

00:25:18.460 ahead, Camille.

00:25:19.680 No, I mean

00:25:20.240 the conflation

00:25:20.940 of all of

00:25:22.080 these victims

00:25:22.880 as if they

00:25:23.560 are one in

00:25:24.040 the same

00:25:24.360 case is

00:25:25.200 old hat at

00:25:26.580 this point.

00:25:27.140 But it is

00:25:27.380 also extremely

00:25:28.020 disappointing and

00:25:29.040 distressing if

00:25:29.600 you're someone

00:25:29.880 who actually

00:25:30.380 wants to see

00:25:31.060 reform happen.

00:25:32.340 It simply

00:25:33.480 isn't the

00:25:34.020 case that

00:25:34.540 doing this

00:25:35.200 has been

00:25:35.520 enormously

00:25:35.940 successful.

00:25:36.700 And as

00:25:37.240 Matt was

00:25:37.580 talking, I

00:25:38.020 remember the

00:25:38.800 George Floyd

00:25:39.600 Policing Act

00:25:44.720 that Joe

00:25:45.400 Biden was

00:25:45.860 pushing during

00:25:46.620 his 2021

00:25:47.500 State of the

00:25:48.340 Union.

00:25:49.080 And at that

00:25:49.660 point, he

00:25:50.020 called for us

00:25:50.600 to pass this

00:25:51.300 next month.

00:25:52.300 And of

00:25:52.480 course, it

00:25:52.760 didn't get

00:25:53.180 passed.

00:25:54.080 And it

00:25:55.140 is back in

00:25:55.900 the news

00:25:56.240 again.

00:25:56.740 So I

00:25:57.300 suspect to

00:25:58.140 the extent

00:25:58.480 there is

00:25:59.100 this kind

00:25:59.740 of activity

00:26:00.160 taking place,

00:26:00.840 it may get

00:26:01.280 another mention

00:26:02.020 in the

00:26:03.160 context of

00:26:03.820 this case.

00:26:04.640 But would

00:26:05.600 it have

00:26:05.920 actually kept

00:26:06.500 Terry Nichols

00:26:07.140 alive?

00:26:07.720 I don't

00:26:08.040 know.

00:26:08.820 Would it

00:26:09.600 have had

00:26:10.280 any impact

00:26:10.900 in the

00:26:11.180 situation

00:26:11.640 involving

00:26:12.040 Mike Brown?

00:26:12.640 I think

00:26:12.900 what probably

00:26:13.640 would have

00:26:13.900 had more

00:26:14.260 of an

00:26:14.440 impact

00:26:14.760 for Mike

00:26:15.240 Brown

00:26:15.580 towards

00:26:16.140 his

00:26:16.460 advantage

00:26:16.840 is not

00:26:18.200 walking in

00:26:18.840 the middle

00:26:19.080 of the

00:26:19.320 street and

00:26:19.740 not slugging

00:26:20.880 a police

00:26:21.340 officer who

00:26:21.900 tries to

00:26:22.260 stop him.

00:26:23.280 That would

00:26:24.300 probably have

00:26:25.040 saved his

00:26:25.520 life.

00:26:26.080 And talking

00:26:26.440 about things

00:26:26.940 honestly and

00:26:27.660 candidly and

00:26:28.360 respecting facts

00:26:29.420 is important.

00:26:31.320 And I

00:26:31.580 certainly think

00:26:32.220 it's incumbent

00:26:32.620 upon lawmakers

00:26:33.300 to do that.

00:26:34.840 Even the

00:26:35.300 funny thing

00:26:35.660 about this

00:26:36.140 is the

00:26:36.520 flattening of

00:26:37.060 all of

00:26:37.340 these into

00:26:37.720 one case

00:26:38.520 is what

00:26:38.820 makes people

00:26:39.320 not trust

00:26:40.060 both the

00:26:40.980 media and

00:26:41.800 the narrative

00:26:42.340 in general

00:26:43.000 about police

00:26:43.720 violence.

00:26:44.060 Because if

00:26:44.500 you flatten

00:26:45.600 the Tyree

00:26:46.760 Nichols

00:26:47.060 thing, which

00:26:47.580 is an

00:26:48.160 absolutely

00:26:48.560 hideous

00:26:48.980 tragedy, and

00:26:50.060 you're right,

00:26:50.420 Megan, that's

00:26:51.180 obviously prejudicial

00:26:52.660 in the way that

00:26:53.260 the president is

00:26:53.960 actually bringing

00:26:54.500 his parents.

00:26:56.000 I understand

00:26:56.560 the instinct,

00:26:57.820 but I don't

00:26:58.260 trust the

00:26:58.660 instinct.

00:26:58.980 I understand

00:26:59.240 the instinct

00:26:59.520 because I feel

00:26:59.960 terrible for

00:27:00.400 these people.

00:27:01.320 But I don't

00:27:01.760 trust the

00:27:02.060 instinct when

00:27:02.440 there's somebody

00:27:02.880 who's there

00:27:03.540 anytime something

00:27:05.680 like this

00:27:05.980 happens to make

00:27:06.740 political hay of

00:27:07.460 it.

00:27:07.680 And one

00:27:07.960 thing we're

00:27:08.260 forgetting

00:27:08.540 about was

00:27:09.600 that in

00:27:09.880 Kenosha, Joe

00:27:10.900 Biden visited

00:27:11.680 the family of

00:27:12.460 Jacob Blake.

00:27:13.580 Jacob Blake was

00:27:14.300 armed.

00:27:14.700 And we don't

00:27:15.440 remember that

00:27:16.040 Jacob Blake was

00:27:16.680 armed.

00:27:17.020 We found out at

00:27:17.660 the beginning

00:27:18.000 that Mike

00:27:18.540 Brown had his

00:27:19.080 hands up.

00:27:19.880 That wasn't

00:27:20.340 true.

00:27:20.560 We found at

00:27:20.920 the beginning

00:27:21.040 of the Jacob

00:27:21.360 Blake thing,

00:27:21.900 he was going

00:27:22.460 to assist

00:27:23.800 somebody.

00:27:24.420 He was literally

00:27:25.340 there to break

00:27:26.000 up a fight.

00:27:26.800 That was the

00:27:27.180 initial story.

00:27:28.540 Turns out that

00:27:29.280 he had a no

00:27:30.740 contact order with

00:27:31.580 a woman that he

00:27:31.980 sexually assaulted,

00:27:33.520 and he was

00:27:34.380 armed with a knife

00:27:35.420 because there was

00:27:35.920 one angle where

00:27:36.540 you actually saw

00:27:37.060 that.

00:27:37.760 But Joe Biden

00:27:38.240 went and visited

00:27:38.800 the police because

00:27:39.340 the narrative was

00:27:40.160 being served,

00:27:40.780 and the narrative

00:27:41.160 is the most

00:27:41.560 important thing.

00:27:42.520 So if you flatten

00:27:43.060 all of these

00:27:43.660 things, and we

00:27:44.080 saw this, and I

00:27:44.820 know that you

00:27:45.180 talked about it,

00:27:45.780 Megan, after the

00:27:46.960 Tyree Nichols

00:27:47.420 thing happened, the

00:27:49.280 number of people, I

00:27:50.680 mean, we shouldn't

00:27:51.060 be surprised after

00:27:52.200 the Atlanta

00:27:53.400 thing, the

00:27:54.140 Colorado shootings,

00:27:55.760 the Atlanta

00:27:56.080 shootings, the

00:27:57.580 Pulse nightclub,

00:27:58.520 that the truth of

00:28:00.480 this doesn't matter

00:28:01.260 provided it serves

00:28:02.200 the narrative.

00:28:03.800 And the Tyree

00:28:04.260 Nichols thing was

00:28:04.880 just, guys, you

00:28:06.320 can allow this to

00:28:07.560 be a hideous

00:28:08.620 miscarriage of

00:28:09.300 justice from what

00:28:10.040 we can see right

00:28:10.640 now.

00:28:10.840 I don't know what

00:28:11.320 happened.

00:28:12.200 And a lot of

00:28:12.860 these facts are

00:28:13.700 not known and

00:28:14.300 things change.

00:28:14.860 But that can

00:28:16.020 be true without

00:28:18.660 race being

00:28:19.660 involved.

00:28:20.680 But that's not

00:28:21.280 what people want

00:28:22.100 in certain

00:28:22.740 segments of the

00:28:23.380 media, is to

00:28:24.660 focus on this.

00:28:25.580 So we have five

00:28:26.700 black cops that

00:28:27.480 are arrested,

00:28:28.460 fired, and the

00:28:29.920 number of stories,

00:28:31.940 tweets, you know,

00:28:33.300 things that I saw

00:28:34.340 on social media

00:28:35.960 recycled from CNN

00:28:37.060 and MSNBC, et

00:28:38.200 cetera, focused on

00:28:39.980 the race of the

00:28:41.400 victim, but not

00:28:42.400 the perpetrator,

00:28:43.140 because that wasn't

00:28:43.780 important because

00:28:44.840 they had inhaled

00:28:46.200 the fumes of

00:28:46.940 white supremacy

00:28:47.480 and had overtaken

00:28:48.400 them.

00:28:49.000 Van Jones openly

00:28:49.900 said that.

00:28:51.040 Van Jones openly

00:28:52.080 saying now, you

00:28:52.980 only look at the

00:28:53.520 race of the

00:28:53.860 victim.

00:28:54.620 That's it, to

00:28:55.220 determine whether

00:28:55.840 it's racism or

00:28:57.180 white supremacy.

00:28:57.820 Like, what?

00:28:58.740 How does that

00:28:59.720 work?

00:29:00.960 That's going to

00:29:01.600 be a hard thing

00:29:02.320 to adjudicate in

00:29:03.060 the future, then.

00:29:03.860 I mean, it's

00:29:04.240 everything, then.

00:29:05.240 Wow.

00:29:05.540 Right, it's

00:29:06.160 absurd.

00:29:06.760 I mean, so

00:29:07.020 basically, whenever

00:29:07.860 somebody who is

00:29:08.880 black gets

00:29:09.880 killed at the

00:29:11.060 hands of police, or

00:29:11.860 I suppose anybody

00:29:12.520 else, it's

00:29:13.380 racism.

00:29:13.940 That's it.

00:29:14.260 It's a black

00:29:14.920 person.

00:29:15.480 They died in the

00:29:16.580 hands of police.

00:29:17.240 It's racism.

00:29:18.060 Like, that thinking

00:29:19.380 people understand there

00:29:20.400 is more to the

00:29:20.980 inquiry than that.

00:29:22.820 And this case is a

00:29:23.860 good example of it.

00:29:24.600 You know, we'll find

00:29:25.040 out what was wrong

00:29:25.600 with those cops.

00:29:27.840 I'm going to go

00:29:28.620 ahead and venture it's

00:29:29.320 not the white

00:29:30.160 supremacy built into

00:29:31.340 the system of

00:29:32.060 policing.

00:29:32.660 One of the two of

00:29:33.260 them had only been

00:29:33.640 cops for a couple of

00:29:34.420 years that led to

00:29:36.020 this.

00:29:36.460 Okay, so a lot more

00:29:37.600 to get to.

00:29:38.080 There's so much

00:29:38.580 news.

00:29:39.320 We're going to

00:29:39.780 touch on Chinese

00:29:40.480 spy balloon.

00:29:41.100 We're going to

00:29:41.320 touch on Tom

00:29:41.940 Brady.

00:29:42.220 And I really want

00:29:43.280 to have a moment

00:29:43.760 about what the

00:29:44.340 hell's happening

00:29:44.820 with Madonna.

00:29:46.240 More with the

00:29:46.920 fifth column right

00:29:47.560 after this quick

00:29:48.140 break.

00:29:48.400 All right, guys, so

00:29:52.740 the Chinese spy

00:29:53.640 balloon, it's down.

00:29:55.140 The Chinese are

00:29:55.800 purporting to be very

00:29:56.780 angry that we

00:29:57.820 overreacted and shot

00:29:59.260 down their civilian

00:30:00.360 weather balloon that

00:30:01.400 was not doing

00:30:01.960 anything nefarious

00:30:02.800 whatsoever.

00:30:04.100 Joe Biden looks a

00:30:04.960 little feckless and

00:30:05.760 having said, I told

00:30:06.520 them to shoot it

00:30:06.980 down.

00:30:07.480 And I was told no,

00:30:08.720 not until it gets

00:30:09.240 over the Atlantic

00:30:09.700 Ocean, which, of

00:30:10.440 course, he's the

00:30:11.180 commander in chief.

00:30:11.720 So all these things

00:30:12.300 are percolating.

00:30:13.460 And at the same

00:30:13.920 time, his

00:30:14.820 administration is

00:30:15.420 going, Trump did

00:30:16.320 it.

00:30:16.560 Trump, Trump,

00:30:16.900 Trump.

00:30:17.060 They had three

00:30:17.640 balloons.

00:30:18.020 They had two

00:30:18.340 balloons.

00:30:18.660 They had balloons

00:30:19.260 just like we did.

00:30:20.500 Then the Trump

00:30:21.160 administration

00:30:21.700 officials started

00:30:22.460 denying it.

00:30:23.160 All the intel

00:30:23.620 people were like, I

00:30:24.220 would have known.

00:30:24.640 I would have known.

00:30:25.180 No, no, no, no, no,

00:30:25.760 no, no.

00:30:26.340 Now it looks like

00:30:27.080 maybe there were

00:30:27.820 balloons during

00:30:28.340 Trump, but we just

00:30:29.820 didn't know about it

00:30:30.600 because the guy who

00:30:31.160 runs NORAD, you

00:30:32.160 know, I know NORAD

00:30:32.880 from War Games.

00:30:34.440 Remember?

00:30:35.160 War Games is

00:30:35.760 where the whole thing

00:30:36.280 did.

00:30:37.000 That guy is out

00:30:38.200 there saying,

00:30:39.400 basically, the way I

00:30:40.420 read it is, shit,

00:30:42.740 there were some that

00:30:43.700 we missed.

00:30:44.260 Here's a little of

00:30:44.840 that soundbite, too.

00:30:45.740 Every day as a

00:30:47.180 NORAD commander, it's

00:30:48.860 my responsibility to

00:30:51.280 detect threats to

00:30:53.000 North America.

00:30:54.420 I will tell you that

00:30:55.600 we did not detect

00:30:57.820 those threats, and

00:31:00.080 that's a domain

00:31:00.780 awareness gap that we

00:31:01.960 have to figure out.

00:31:03.740 Wow.

00:31:04.720 Domain awareness

00:31:05.540 gap.

00:31:06.080 That's a good one.

00:31:07.220 That's the most

00:31:07.840 stoned-sounding NORAD

00:31:09.340 director I've heard

00:31:10.120 in a long time.

00:31:11.200 I'm like, every

00:31:12.080 day, it's our

00:31:13.340 duty.

00:31:14.140 Where am I?

00:31:14.660 I'm going to start

00:31:15.160 saying I have a

00:31:15.900 domain awareness

00:31:16.940 gap when I don't

00:31:18.000 know something.

00:31:19.000 Like with your

00:31:19.460 wife.

00:31:19.880 You know, you do

00:31:20.180 it like with your

00:31:20.580 wife.

00:31:20.880 Honey, you said

00:31:22.120 you were going to

00:31:22.440 do the laundry.

00:31:24.560 Domain awareness

00:31:25.300 gap.

00:31:25.480 You could blame me.

00:31:27.820 It was not my

00:31:28.140 fault.

00:31:28.900 So that's

00:31:29.300 disturbing.

00:31:30.840 Yes.

00:31:31.220 Okay.

00:31:31.420 So thank you to

00:31:32.000 the Chinese for

00:31:32.640 helping us become

00:31:33.380 more aware of where

00:31:34.260 we have these gaps.

00:31:35.080 But if you were

00:31:36.580 wondering how it

00:31:37.920 was that the

00:31:39.540 Trump administration

00:31:40.400 didn't know about

00:31:41.280 the balloon and,

00:31:42.400 you know, then the

00:31:43.580 Biden administration

00:31:44.260 found out about it

00:31:45.500 after they took

00:31:46.620 office, look no

00:31:48.180 further.

00:31:48.820 Karine Jean-Pierre

00:31:49.940 has the answer.

00:31:51.620 Listen.

00:31:52.880 How is it possible

00:31:54.220 that this

00:31:55.420 administration

00:31:56.080 discovered at

00:31:58.200 least three previous

00:31:59.220 balloons that flew

00:32:00.400 over the U.S.

00:32:01.420 under the previous

00:32:02.300 administration, but

00:32:03.960 Trump officials

00:32:04.720 didn't know was

00:32:05.940 happening?

00:32:07.220 Yeah.

00:32:07.600 So, look, I think

00:32:09.200 that, and we have

00:32:10.200 talked about this

00:32:10.980 before, about how

00:32:12.640 when the PRC

00:32:17.160 government surveillance

00:32:17.960 balloons transited

00:32:20.800 the continental U.S.

00:32:22.220 briefly at least

00:32:22.960 three times, as you

00:32:23.800 just mentioned, during

00:32:24.480 the president's prior

00:32:25.880 administration, and

00:32:27.160 once that we know

00:32:28.540 of the beginning of

00:32:29.520 this administration,

00:32:30.660 but never for this

00:32:32.400 duration of time, as

00:32:33.460 we know, this

00:32:34.600 information was

00:32:35.200 discovered prior to

00:32:36.360 the administration

00:32:37.520 left, but the

00:32:39.940 intelligence community,

00:32:40.860 as I said, is

00:32:41.420 prepared to give

00:32:42.600 briefings to key

00:32:44.400 officials, but this

00:32:45.840 is something, this

00:32:47.320 is something, sorry,

00:32:48.160 post, but this is

00:32:49.200 something that we,

00:32:50.360 they did not, they

00:32:51.400 were not aware of,

00:32:52.340 as we just laid

00:32:53.380 out.

00:32:55.080 Got it?

00:32:55.980 What?

00:32:56.400 Is that cleared up

00:32:56.880 for you?

00:32:57.140 Has anyone ever seen

00:32:59.100 the great old SNL

00:33:00.440 sketch, the Chris

00:33:01.120 Farley show, where he

00:33:02.220 interviews Paul

00:33:03.040 McCartney?

00:33:03.880 That's what it's like,

00:33:04.780 he's like, um, you

00:33:05.560 know, like, you're like

00:33:06.580 in the Beatles.

00:33:07.420 That was a lot of

00:33:08.460 words, and I literally

00:33:10.140 have no idea what she

00:33:11.300 said.

00:33:11.860 No idea.

00:33:12.380 Has anyone, anyone,

00:33:13.580 Matt, Camille?

00:33:14.720 Any idea?

00:33:15.160 But we've been, we've

00:33:15.980 talked about it before.

00:33:17.140 She always says that at

00:33:18.060 the beginning of her

00:33:18.620 answers when she's

00:33:19.300 panicking.

00:33:19.840 We've talked about

00:33:20.500 this, we've gone over

00:33:21.460 this, we've briefed on

00:33:22.820 this, like that's her

00:33:23.740 placeholder for, I don't

00:33:25.060 know what the hell

00:33:25.520 I'm about to say.

00:33:26.220 I have no idea how

00:33:26.840 to answer this.

00:33:27.560 That was truly

00:33:28.200 incomprehensible.

00:33:29.800 The tell is usually

00:33:30.720 the word look.

00:33:31.900 When you start that

00:33:32.720 way, when you say

00:33:33.200 look, it means you

00:33:34.220 have no idea what

00:33:34.840 you're talking about.

00:33:35.800 But the thing I got

00:33:36.860 is that there were

00:33:37.600 some trans balloons.

00:33:39.420 She said something

00:33:40.160 about trans balloons.

00:33:41.060 That's what I know.

00:33:42.140 Who knows?

00:33:42.620 I don't understand the

00:33:43.220 culture anymore.

00:33:44.160 They transited.

00:33:44.980 She said transited.

00:33:47.700 She held on transfer

00:33:49.020 because she couldn't

00:33:49.560 figure out that word.

00:33:51.160 But I did see her,

00:33:52.420 again, this is my,

00:33:54.260 going back to

00:33:55.040 cable news.

00:33:55.900 I saw her on this

00:33:56.700 morning and I was

00:33:57.320 like, man, this woman,

00:33:58.760 like, it just seems

00:33:59.700 like she's stoned

00:34:00.340 all the time.

00:34:00.920 Like, she has no

00:34:01.380 idea what she's

00:34:01.880 talking about.

00:34:02.540 Like the NORAD guy.

00:34:04.080 The NORAD guy.

00:34:05.320 At least he had some

00:34:06.040 fun little phrase that

00:34:07.160 he introduced to the

00:34:07.800 English language.

00:34:09.180 When I see her on TV,

00:34:10.780 I'm just like, isn't

00:34:11.940 the one thing that you

00:34:12.880 have to do in this job

00:34:13.900 is to lie well?

00:34:15.440 That's the only thing

00:34:16.160 you have to do.

00:34:17.060 You can lie, but you

00:34:17.820 have to do it well.

00:34:18.860 She's in a panic.

00:34:19.880 She didn't know the

00:34:20.540 answer.

00:34:21.000 And whenever she

00:34:21.640 doesn't know the

00:34:22.140 answer and is not in

00:34:23.300 her little note card,

00:34:24.500 you know, binder,

00:34:25.860 she's in a full free

00:34:27.140 fall.

00:34:27.380 And we all have to

00:34:28.260 experience that with

00:34:29.200 her.

00:34:29.420 It's very uncomfortable.

00:34:31.060 But on the subject of

00:34:31.860 Balloon Gate, what do

00:34:34.380 we what do we make of

00:34:35.640 where this is landed?

00:34:36.800 Because, you know, it's

00:34:38.560 not exactly a spike the

00:34:39.760 ball moment for Joe

00:34:40.720 Biden on the day of his

00:34:41.680 State of the Union.

00:34:42.660 Yes, they're like, oh,

00:34:43.680 we I think he's going to

00:34:45.140 spin it.

00:34:45.580 I think it won't go into

00:34:46.640 Camille's ignore ignore

00:34:48.180 column.

00:34:49.240 I think he's probably

00:34:50.660 going to sort of try to

00:34:51.500 take a victory lap on

00:34:52.360 it, like brought it

00:34:53.320 down, kept everybody

00:34:54.940 safe.

00:34:55.700 You're welcome.

00:35:00.120 Joe Joe Biden talking

00:35:01.520 about balloons, though,

00:35:02.580 like brings up to mind

00:35:03.820 that Disney movie with

00:35:04.960 the old guy and the

00:35:05.920 house.

00:35:06.640 Yeah, I don't think

00:35:08.820 that's the comparison

00:35:09.700 that you want.

00:35:10.480 Joe Biden talking about

00:35:11.520 the balloons and

00:35:12.660 that will keep us safe

00:35:13.940 from the balloons.

00:35:14.660 I I tried really hard

00:35:17.560 to care about this

00:35:18.460 because I don't I don't

00:35:19.360 like the CCP.

00:35:20.280 I don't want them to

00:35:20.820 have any victories or

00:35:21.640 anything, but there are

00:35:22.640 satellites and they're

00:35:23.760 up there and they use

00:35:24.860 those to look at us and

00:35:26.100 the balloon floating

00:35:26.920 overhead.

00:35:27.580 I mean, I don't like it.

00:35:28.700 We should do something

00:35:29.380 about it, but I can't

00:35:31.860 get excited about this.

00:35:33.120 If they did ignore it,

00:35:33.920 it wouldn't shock me.

00:35:35.600 I think that what this

00:35:37.040 whole thing proves is

00:35:38.060 that we needed the

00:35:39.840 balloon.

00:35:40.800 America needed.

00:35:41.920 We needed to argue

00:35:43.760 about the balloon.

00:35:44.660 So we need like like

00:35:47.260 the Congress people

00:35:48.660 from North Dakota

00:35:49.480 saying, you know, my

00:35:50.640 my territory is unsafe.

00:35:52.140 We got to shoot down

00:35:52.780 the blue just needed a

00:35:54.300 balloon to get excited

00:35:55.300 about.

00:35:55.820 If we had a really good

00:35:57.480 press secretary, she

00:35:58.720 would be out there

00:35:59.180 saying, look, wasn't

00:36:00.920 that fun?

00:36:01.920 Didn't we have fun?

00:36:03.640 Yeah, that was pretty

00:36:05.040 great.

00:36:05.660 Did you see that picture

00:36:06.460 that looked all weird?

00:36:07.700 That was fun.

00:36:09.660 You're just lying.

00:36:10.440 He's taking the pictures

00:36:11.420 of like the roof of

00:36:12.820 Stucky's.

00:36:13.320 Nobody has.

00:36:14.620 Everything's fine.

00:36:16.480 Honestly, this is the

00:36:17.520 great non-story because

00:36:18.680 it's not Trump's fault

00:36:20.020 and it's not Biden's

00:36:20.820 fault.

00:36:21.380 There are balloons that

00:36:22.500 the Chinese have like

00:36:23.380 they have.

00:36:23.980 Maybe they have great

00:36:24.620 balloon technology and

00:36:26.060 we don't know about it.

00:36:27.440 Okay.

00:36:28.220 We then went down a

00:36:29.280 little low and they

00:36:29.980 shot it down with an F-22,

00:36:31.780 which, by the way, what

00:36:32.880 did that Sidewinder

00:36:33.880 missile cost?

00:36:34.640 What, like 70 million

00:36:35.980 dollars?

00:36:36.900 They couldn't do it.

00:36:37.840 You couldn't go any

00:36:38.780 other way.

00:36:39.220 It was kind of cool

00:36:40.400 because somebody posted

00:36:41.040 a video on Twitter from

00:36:42.200 like Hilton Head in

00:36:43.680 South Carolina of the

00:36:45.820 balloon being shot out

00:36:46.680 of the sky.

00:36:47.580 And that was our first

00:36:48.960 victory since the Korean

00:36:50.000 War, which wasn't even

00:36:50.860 the victory.

00:36:51.420 There's that.

00:36:52.980 The victory is debatable

00:36:54.640 given that we have no

00:36:55.660 idea how much information

00:36:56.560 about us was transmitted

00:36:57.600 back to.

00:36:58.440 Oh, look at that.

00:36:58.920 Oh, there's the balloon

00:36:59.660 blowing up.

00:37:00.300 Oh, that's the balloon.

00:37:01.160 Back to the Chinese.

00:37:02.600 Yeah.

00:37:03.500 Yeah, I don't know.

00:37:04.380 I feel like it is a deal.

00:37:05.820 I really wish they'd

00:37:06.440 taken it down earlier

00:37:07.340 before it got all the

00:37:08.100 information on us.

00:37:08.960 And who knows?

00:37:09.460 There's a reason the

00:37:10.160 Chinese already have the

00:37:10.900 satellite.

00:37:11.280 There's a reason they sent

00:37:12.000 the weather balloon.

00:37:13.060 I think they believe they

00:37:13.740 could have they could

00:37:14.520 obtain more info.

00:37:15.680 And the experts are

00:37:16.260 saying, yes, they could

00:37:17.280 have getting down a little

00:37:18.480 lower is helpful.

00:37:19.960 Meanwhile, you got it like

00:37:20.900 part of me almost admires

00:37:22.440 the damn chutzpah of the

00:37:24.540 Chinese, because not only

00:37:25.920 are they playing the victim

00:37:26.800 here, you know, like, how

00:37:28.340 dare you?

00:37:29.140 How dare you?

00:37:30.540 But there's two.

00:37:31.960 There's another one, one

00:37:33.120 down over Latin America

00:37:34.100 right now.

00:37:34.460 They're like, weather

00:37:35.200 there, too.

00:37:36.400 Weather.

00:37:36.780 The weather.

00:37:37.760 The wind.

00:37:38.880 Like, they just never

00:37:39.960 admit it.

00:37:40.720 Screw you.

00:37:41.460 You don't know anything.

00:37:42.900 That was totally legit

00:37:43.740 civilian aircraft.

00:37:44.480 That's all they had to

00:37:45.260 do.

00:37:45.660 That's all they had to do.

00:37:46.460 Just we don't know what

00:37:47.060 you're talking about.

00:37:47.860 Balloons.

00:37:48.540 We don't know what

00:37:48.900 balloons.

00:37:50.160 That doesn't make any

00:37:50.780 sense.

00:37:51.440 Don't touch it, Nicaraguan

00:37:52.900 Air Force.

00:37:53.560 It's like, yeah, we're not

00:37:54.820 going to do anything.

00:37:55.660 But it is.

00:37:56.360 It is.

00:37:56.840 I thought I saw that again

00:37:58.420 in America's greatest

00:37:59.220 newspaper, the New York

00:38:00.280 Post.

00:38:00.520 I saw that headline that

00:38:02.160 they were mad about this,

00:38:03.280 that we shot down their

00:38:04.220 balloon that was hovering

00:38:05.320 over South Carolina.

00:38:07.020 I'm like, wait, I'm

00:38:07.880 sorry.

00:38:08.080 What do you expect?

00:38:09.140 Like, no, no, that's our

00:38:09.860 balloon.

00:38:10.280 Just don't.

00:38:11.280 That's the air rights.

00:38:12.280 We have the air rights up

00:38:13.400 there.

00:38:14.140 It's expected if there was a

00:38:15.460 balloon hovering over

00:38:16.440 Beijing, they'd probably

00:38:17.820 shoot it down, too.

00:38:18.720 So come on, guys.

00:38:20.040 I like Matt's idea of like

00:38:21.300 Korean jump here just

00:38:22.100 bringing us all together on

00:38:23.000 the balloon somehow.

00:38:23.960 If I had been her

00:38:24.700 advisor, I would have been

00:38:25.260 like, here's your first

00:38:25.900 line.

00:38:26.140 Go out there and be like,

00:38:27.340 F the balloon.

00:38:28.060 We won.

00:38:30.520 We won.

00:38:31.320 Like the newspaper article,

00:38:32.600 we won.

00:38:34.780 He would finally bring Joe

00:38:36.220 Biden's approval rating

00:38:37.100 above 50 percent, you

00:38:38.260 know?

00:38:39.520 He got the balloon.

00:38:40.260 Oh, my God.

00:38:40.360 Can we spend one second on

00:38:41.880 that?

00:38:42.140 I just actually had my team

00:38:43.100 pull the polling because

00:38:44.180 the polling this week and

00:38:45.140 lately.

00:38:45.580 Oh, my God.

00:38:46.260 It's you would have thought

00:38:47.540 after the midterms, things

00:38:49.240 would have gone up for him.

00:38:50.660 You would have thought that,

00:38:51.780 you know, in terms of do they

00:38:53.560 want him to run again?

00:38:54.300 Do Democrats want him to run

00:38:55.580 again?

00:38:56.460 No, you would have been

00:38:57.600 wrong.

00:38:58.880 Washington Post, ABC News

00:39:00.120 poll.

00:39:02.260 Sixty two percent of all

00:39:03.520 Americans say they would be

00:39:05.060 disappointed or angry if Biden

00:39:07.160 were to be reelected.

00:39:08.540 Not just as angry, angry.

00:39:12.700 Forty two percent approval

00:39:13.700 rating.

00:39:14.040 Terrible.

00:39:15.860 Fifty eight percent of Democrats

00:39:17.940 want to nominate someone else.

00:39:20.900 I mean, that's that's a big

00:39:22.820 number, a big, big number.

00:39:24.800 Fifty eight percent.

00:39:25.580 It comes on the heels of

00:39:26.340 another poll in which that was

00:39:28.840 this is AP polls that said.

00:39:32.540 Twenty two percent of adults say

00:39:34.640 he should run again.

00:39:35.720 That's down from twenty nine

00:39:37.040 before the midterms, 37 percent

00:39:39.660 of Democrats.

00:39:40.880 So it kind of mirrors this poll

00:39:41.840 I just said, want him to seek

00:39:44.760 a second term.

00:39:45.660 Right.

00:39:46.120 And all the rest do not.

00:39:47.160 So you got thirty seven percent

00:39:47.980 who wanted to seek a second term.

00:39:49.080 And this one says fifty eight

00:39:49.920 percent of Democrats want

00:39:51.180 somebody else to run.

00:39:51.920 And so those those dovetail

00:39:52.920 nicely.

00:39:53.580 They don't want him.

00:39:54.460 The Dems don't want him.

00:39:55.600 The country doesn't want him.

00:39:56.980 Oh, and by the way, that

00:39:57.920 Washington Post poll shows him

00:39:59.560 losing to Trump, both with

00:40:01.180 likely voters and with

00:40:02.840 registered voters.

00:40:04.220 Wow.

00:40:05.040 What do you think?

00:40:06.900 It's surprising.

00:40:08.140 I mean, it's surprising,

00:40:09.100 especially because I

00:40:10.860 mean, it's the person of Joe

00:40:12.020 Biden is what it is.

00:40:13.280 I mean, we elect presidents

00:40:14.840 on personality so much.

00:40:16.280 And the fact that Joe Biden

00:40:17.680 and the media didn't want

00:40:19.060 to touch this and didn't

00:40:19.880 want to talk about, you

00:40:20.960 know, the cognitive question.

00:40:22.440 But it's apparent to

00:40:23.520 everybody that I talk to and

00:40:24.600 everybody I know, people who

00:40:25.520 aren't interested in politics,

00:40:26.420 they make jokes about it.

00:40:27.660 Right.

00:40:28.140 But you have a president

00:40:29.560 here who can plausibly

00:40:31.240 say we just got through a

00:40:32.520 pandemic.

00:40:33.220 And let's be totally honest.

00:40:34.760 And I'm not saying the

00:40:35.760 president's saying this.

00:40:36.340 I'm saying this.

00:40:37.560 The job numbers are very

00:40:38.700 good.

00:40:39.280 These are good job numbers.

00:40:40.400 And, you know, he was being

00:40:41.760 saddled with very high gas

00:40:43.700 prices.

00:40:44.260 Again, this is not his doing,

00:40:45.440 but the gas prices are

00:40:46.740 down.

00:40:47.160 One would imagine that

00:40:48.200 there would be some good

00:40:49.260 will that voters would

00:40:50.640 extend to him because of

00:40:52.060 those two numbers.

00:40:53.080 Right.

00:40:53.340 I mean, the feelings of

00:40:54.380 insecurity are still quite

00:40:55.460 high.

00:40:55.980 And that's again, it's a

00:40:57.320 perception thing that that

00:40:58.620 he's losing on that front.

00:40:59.960 But you would expect at

00:41:01.600 least a little bounce.

00:41:02.520 But it's not only not a

00:41:03.520 little bounce when you

00:41:04.700 have people in your own

00:41:05.580 party who don't want you

00:41:07.660 to run for re-election.

00:41:09.940 Good Lord.

00:41:10.780 I mean, I'm thinking, you

00:41:12.480 know, LBJ in 1968.

00:41:14.140 I mean, I won't accept

00:41:17.060 the nomination, but I

00:41:18.900 mean, it's absolutely

00:41:20.460 baffling to me that it's

00:41:21.320 that bad.

00:41:22.840 I think it's just a tool to

00:41:24.120 defeat Donald Trump.

00:41:25.500 Right.

00:41:25.700 He was the normie Democrat

00:41:27.060 who wasn't talking the

00:41:28.980 usual at this point, really

00:41:30.480 crazy crap of whatever

00:41:31.700 Beto O'Rourke was talking

00:41:32.780 about.

00:41:34.420 And some of the other

00:41:35.820 candidates on the trail,

00:41:37.840 he seemed like he was more

00:41:38.960 centristy and kind of we

00:41:40.700 know, Joe, he's full of

00:41:41.780 malarkey, but that's what he

00:41:42.680 does.

00:41:43.480 He's a he's a stock

00:41:44.620 character.

00:41:45.660 Once you don't worry about

00:41:47.020 Trump winning again, he

00:41:49.100 his utility vanishes and

00:41:51.320 you notice that he's old

00:41:52.280 and out of touch and

00:41:53.440 repeats the same stories

00:41:54.300 over and over again.

00:41:55.460 The only way I think that

00:41:57.760 and of course you should

00:41:58.560 never make predictions

00:41:59.240 politics, but I'm going to

00:42:00.280 anyways.

00:42:01.020 The I think the only chance

00:42:02.340 that Biden would have to

00:42:03.300 win re-election is if the

00:42:05.300 Republican Party was

00:42:06.320 stupid enough to appoint

00:42:08.740 or to to nominate Donald

00:42:10.740 Trump.

00:42:11.400 So I think that means

00:42:12.220 they're going to because

00:42:13.740 if Republicans have a

00:42:15.120 chance to be really

00:42:16.100 stupid, they're like, I

00:42:17.340 can you mean, I can be

00:42:18.500 really stupid.

00:42:19.500 Let's do it.

00:42:20.800 Take it.

00:42:22.000 Well, the lack of the

00:42:23.380 lack of actual Republican

00:42:24.960 candidates who've already

00:42:26.000 declared their intention to

00:42:27.360 run at this stage is

00:42:28.300 actually a little bit weird.

00:42:29.380 Like I would expect there

00:42:30.740 to be slightly more action.

00:42:32.220 You have Nikki Haley, who

00:42:33.240 it sounds like is planning

00:42:34.180 to announce formally very

00:42:36.040 soon.

00:42:36.500 But the only person who

00:42:38.580 has taken to the field

00:42:39.480 and say, yeah, I'm going

00:42:40.280 to be the guy is Donald

00:42:41.680 Trump at this point.

00:42:42.940 No, no.

00:42:43.460 Remember John Bolton?

00:42:44.820 Remember Moinhan?

00:42:45.760 Oh, John Bolton.

00:42:46.900 That's right.

00:42:47.240 We talked about it.

00:42:47.960 How could I forget?

00:42:49.420 Good afternoon.

00:42:50.300 Bangkok is where he

00:42:51.280 announced it.

00:42:51.900 Yes.

00:42:52.340 He was he was like in a

00:42:53.580 library in Scotland and

00:42:55.000 he's like, I think I'm

00:42:55.580 running.

00:42:56.160 It's like four people.

00:42:57.260 They're like, what in for

00:42:58.440 what?

00:42:59.340 But yeah, that was that

00:43:03.920 was.

00:43:04.420 Is that official?

00:43:05.260 Has he made that

00:43:06.000 official?

00:43:06.400 Yes, it's official.

00:43:07.520 My God.

00:43:07.960 Oh, wow.

00:43:09.300 Oh, God.

00:43:10.400 I don't know why I'm not

00:43:11.080 getting those.

00:43:11.980 We've got two.

00:43:14.320 We've got those two.

00:43:15.440 And you would think

00:43:15.920 there'd be more.

00:43:16.680 But you're but what?

00:43:17.460 Trump is just taking up

00:43:18.520 all the all the room.

00:43:20.120 It's not clear either

00:43:21.080 that or Republicans just

00:43:22.300 don't want to be

00:43:23.320 president.

00:43:23.900 I mean, you've got a

00:43:25.100 incumbent president who

00:43:27.180 is vulnerable, at least

00:43:28.820 with respect to the

00:43:29.600 perception of him, who

00:43:31.000 doesn't really seem to be

00:43:31.800 able to move the needle

00:43:32.680 in his direction.

00:43:33.340 And where are the

00:43:34.520 Republicans eager to

00:43:35.500 take advantage of this

00:43:36.520 and run and sort of

00:43:37.880 seize the mantle of the

00:43:38.920 party?

00:43:39.420 It's just not clear.

00:43:40.420 I mean, the only guys

00:43:41.460 there's some guy down in

00:43:42.580 Florida who, as of right

00:43:44.440 now, has yet to declare

00:43:45.820 his intention to run,

00:43:47.520 although everyone kind of

00:43:48.540 wants him to.

00:43:50.060 But I think also,

00:43:50.780 Camille, that it's a

00:43:51.500 it's a function of they

00:43:52.860 don't want to make this

00:43:53.480 same mistake as last

00:43:54.540 time against Trump.

00:43:55.660 Trump won because the

00:43:56.840 field was crowded last

00:43:58.220 time, among other

00:43:59.080 reasons.

00:43:59.400 But it definitely

00:44:00.760 contributed to it.

00:44:02.900 You kind of want to

00:44:04.020 consolidate around one or

00:44:05.280 two people and give it a

00:44:07.340 good run.

00:44:07.900 And DeSantis looks strong.

00:44:09.500 He's doing a lot of stuff

00:44:10.240 I don't agree with, but he

00:44:11.420 looks strong and he's

00:44:13.200 making he's doing the

00:44:14.400 things that you would

00:44:14.920 expect someone would do

00:44:16.620 to try to compete in a

00:44:18.100 Republican presidential

00:44:19.040 primary.

00:44:19.740 Let's put it that way.

00:44:20.980 And has a pretty good

00:44:22.000 record on COVID and the

00:44:22.980 economy and down in

00:44:23.860 Florida that I think has

00:44:25.040 and on education as well

00:44:26.800 that has a chance to

00:44:27.540 resonate with people.

00:44:28.220 So I would suspect that

00:44:30.420 outside your odd John

00:44:31.620 Bolton, Nikki Haley and

00:44:33.140 Mike Pompeo's or whoever

00:44:34.460 that people are expecting

00:44:36.220 DeSantis to run and

00:44:38.240 they're hoping that he

00:44:39.700 beats Trump so that they

00:44:41.020 don't have to.

00:44:42.860 Yeah, exactly.

00:44:43.820 They all want to be the

00:44:44.340 last man standing because

00:44:45.060 you can win against him in

00:44:45.900 a two way race, but not

00:44:47.580 in a multiple candidate

00:44:49.340 field.

00:44:51.040 By the way, Biden would be

00:44:52.300 86 if he were to win a

00:44:53.780 second term at the end of

00:44:54.620 that second term.

00:44:55.220 He would be 86.

00:44:56.160 He's already the oldest

00:44:56.920 president to hold on to

00:44:58.200 office.

00:44:59.660 Most Americans, according

00:45:00.780 to these polls, believe

00:45:01.760 Biden has not created

00:45:02.720 more jobs, not improved

00:45:04.580 roads and bridges, not

00:45:06.040 made electric cars, more

00:45:07.100 cars, more affordable.

00:45:08.940 Forty one percent of those

00:45:11.000 polled by Washington Post

00:45:13.020 ABC News say they are not

00:45:14.840 as well off financially

00:45:15.900 since Biden became

00:45:17.480 president.

00:45:18.160 That is the highest

00:45:19.320 percentage to report such

00:45:20.980 a sentiment under any

00:45:22.580 president since ABC

00:45:25.220 news began polling this in

00:45:27.460 1986.

00:45:29.280 So, yes, he had a good

00:45:30.400 jobs report this week, but

00:45:31.700 the bottom line is people

00:45:32.760 aren't feeling it and he can

00:45:34.440 get up there and spin all he

00:45:35.580 wants tonight.

00:45:36.600 But either you feel it or

00:45:39.040 you don't.

00:45:39.620 And the words spoken from a

00:45:41.340 lectern by a president in a

00:45:44.100 whisper, in a shout,

00:45:45.920 shaming you or not,

00:45:47.740 aren't going to change it.

00:45:48.780 They're not going to move those

00:45:49.520 poll numbers either.

00:45:50.220 Yeah, and I mean, inflation

00:45:52.780 is the issue that I think

00:45:53.900 that Democrats would be

00:45:56.800 very silly to say, well,

00:45:58.620 and I've seen this quite

00:45:59.340 frequently, where they're

00:46:00.900 saying, you know, the rate

00:46:02.260 of inflation has slowed.

00:46:04.740 That's not, inflation has

00:46:05.900 been reversed in any way.

00:46:07.200 The rate of inflation is

00:46:08.880 slowing.

00:46:09.640 If you go to the grocery

00:46:10.680 store, you're still seeing a

00:46:12.520 visual and it is very, very

00:46:14.140 clear that things are more

00:46:15.620 expensive than they were 20

00:46:17.280 years ago.

00:46:17.640 And someone asked you that

00:46:18.420 poll question, not 20 years

00:46:19.580 ago, two years ago.

00:46:20.700 When they ask you that

00:46:21.480 question, they, it's in

00:46:22.640 everybody's mind that, like

00:46:24.520 meat, for instance, is

00:46:25.820 outrageously expensive.

00:46:27.740 Eggs.

00:46:28.360 And now, I mean, there's

00:46:29.280 avian flu, there's the war

00:46:30.700 in Ukraine, there's all

00:46:31.340 these factors, and I'm not

00:46:32.460 blaming anyone or anything,

00:46:33.780 but I'm just saying,

00:46:35.040 visually, when you see

00:46:36.460 that stuff, that's when you

00:46:38.020 answer that question, I

00:46:38.860 think, that, you know,

00:46:40.680 life is not as easy as it

00:46:42.800 was in sort of Trump times

00:46:44.920 or even before that.

00:46:46.600 It reminds me of, like,

00:46:48.080 somebody, your boss says

00:46:49.200 to you, I'm going to dock

00:46:49.800 your pay.

00:46:50.220 I'm going to start docking

00:46:51.060 your pay by, you know,

00:46:52.640 15%.

00:46:53.380 And then, six months into

00:46:55.620 it, he says, I'm going to

00:46:56.880 dock it by 12%.

00:46:57.900 Don't you feel happy?

00:46:59.340 You're like, no, I'm still

00:47:01.380 upset.

00:47:02.020 I want my full paycheck.

00:47:03.640 I'm having difficulty making

00:47:05.080 ends meet.

00:47:06.020 In any event, we'll see and

00:47:07.660 hear how he spins

00:47:08.880 tonight.

00:47:09.480 Somebody joked online that

00:47:10.620 maybe when Nancy Pelosi was

00:47:12.660 behind Donald Trump for that

00:47:13.760 one State of the Union and

00:47:15.440 tearing up documents, it was

00:47:16.760 actually Joe Biden's classified

00:47:18.260 documents from his earlier

00:47:19.380 time as vice president.

00:47:20.820 We'll see whether Kevin

00:47:22.300 McCarthy has any antics

00:47:23.480 tonight behind Joe Biden or

00:47:25.020 whether he's just a polite,

00:47:26.760 classy guy.

00:47:28.540 I have my own guess on how

00:47:30.420 that's going to go.

00:47:31.100 Stand by, because we've got to

00:47:32.200 get to Tom Brady in his

00:47:33.740 underwear, Madonna's face, and

00:47:36.000 they mention Armie Hammer.

00:47:37.960 This is a fascinating case,

00:47:39.580 legally and otherwise.

00:47:40.820 We'll get into it.

00:47:44.640 Okay, so big dust up in

00:47:46.600 Oklahoma.

00:47:48.140 Yesterday, these videos are all

00:47:49.660 over Twitter and elsewhere

00:47:50.440 today as protesters.

00:47:52.560 Did you know that there's now

00:47:53.800 Trans Lives Matters?

00:47:55.240 We had Black Lives Matters for

00:47:56.860 a while, BLM.

00:47:58.140 Now there's TLM, Trans Lives

00:48:00.040 Matter.

00:48:01.180 They are protesting on

00:48:02.700 Oklahoma State Capitol as of

00:48:05.080 yesterday because they went

00:48:06.640 into the interior rotunda and

00:48:08.320 got, it reminded me of those

00:48:09.540 Wisconsin Union protests back

00:48:11.940 in like 2011.

00:48:13.520 It's kind of like scenes, those

00:48:15.140 scenes reminded me of that.

00:48:16.800 Inside, very upset about a,

00:48:19.260 there's a couple of new bills

00:48:20.840 that are being proposed by the

00:48:23.060 Republican governor there, Kevin

00:48:24.340 Stitt, as well as others in

00:48:27.340 Oklahoma.

00:48:27.940 So there's a bunch on the table,

00:48:30.100 all of which these protesters

00:48:31.640 object to.

00:48:32.600 I'll give you a little flavor.

00:48:33.800 Can we turn the sound on on

00:48:34.900 these tapes or no?

00:48:35.680 But, uh, you can see what's

00:48:37.020 happening.

00:48:41.560 And for the listening audience,

00:48:47.060 I mean, it is wall to wall

00:48:48.540 people inside of the Oklahoma

00:48:50.260 State Capitol building, standing

00:48:52.640 room only crowd on the balconies

00:48:54.300 and elsewhere chanting of the

00:48:56.160 lawmakers.

00:48:56.700 Here are the things.

00:48:57.520 All right, that's enough of

00:48:58.220 that.

00:48:59.540 Here are the things that they are.

00:49:01.380 Okay.

00:49:01.800 I can kill the sound.

00:49:02.560 Hello, my people, um, that they

00:49:05.080 are protesting.

00:49:06.200 There's one proposal to ban state

00:49:09.120 funds from being used for any sort

00:49:12.100 of gender reassignment care or

00:49:14.060 surgery for kids under 18.

00:49:16.200 I'm, I'm, I'm totally in favor of that.

00:49:19.840 Uh, one would ban anyone under 18 from

00:49:22.660 receiving gender reassignment surgery,

00:49:25.300 or I think hormone treatment.

00:49:27.760 Uh, one would raise that age to 26 saying

00:49:31.580 you shouldn't be doing either of those

00:49:32.720 things on kids until they're basically

00:49:34.620 fully cooked till their brains are fully,

00:49:36.460 you know, have reached adulthood.

00:49:38.760 Uh, and a doctor who does it would face

00:49:40.580 criminal prosecution and lose his license

00:49:42.740 or her license.

00:49:44.120 Uh, and then they're kind of all over

00:49:45.680 the board.

00:49:45.980 One would lower the age to 21.

00:49:47.300 So it's either at 18 at 21 or 26.

00:49:49.560 Let's ban kids from receiving hormones

00:49:51.900 and or surgeries and so on.

00:49:55.060 Um, this is obviously one of the most

00:49:56.560 conservative states in the union, but

00:49:58.340 it's not the only state pushing

00:49:59.540 legislation like this.

00:50:00.720 And I got to tell you just yesterday

00:50:01.900 on this show, we had a D

00:50:02.900 transitioner, Chloe, who thought she

00:50:07.180 was trans as of around 11 or 12.

00:50:09.440 Uh, by age 15, a doctor performed a

00:50:12.240 double mastectomy on this girl.

00:50:14.340 She was put on hormones, of course,

00:50:15.980 cross-gender hormones and, and so on.

00:50:18.420 And by 16, she realized, oh my God,

00:50:20.780 wait, I'm a girl.

00:50:21.660 I'm never going to be able to breastfeed

00:50:22.820 my future child.

00:50:24.420 What have I done to myself?

00:50:25.520 Why didn't anybody stop me?

00:50:26.760 Why didn't my doctor say, wait,

00:50:28.220 could be something else?

00:50:28.960 She was on the spectrum, is on the

00:50:30.340 spectrum.

00:50:31.460 Um, and had signals from that

00:50:34.800 misinterpreted.

00:50:36.480 Um, and now she's angry.

00:50:38.960 She's upset.

00:50:39.920 She's only 18 years old.

00:50:41.480 And she was saying, I firmly believe

00:50:44.120 that these things, the hormones and

00:50:47.220 the surgeries should not be made

00:50:48.880 available to minors who are not in a

00:50:51.540 position to really understand what

00:50:53.600 they're doing to themselves.

00:50:54.920 What do you guys make of it?

00:50:57.440 I want to congratulate you, Megan.

00:50:59.240 We've tried, uh, as a podcast, as

00:51:01.440 individuals to not talk about this for

00:51:04.320 six and a half years.

00:51:05.580 So you finally succeeded in making us

00:51:09.220 this, but Camille, I think you're

00:51:10.440 about to say something.

00:51:11.180 So what were you going to say?

00:51:12.120 Yeah.

00:51:13.440 Thank you.

00:51:14.080 And it's not entirely true that we

00:51:15.460 haven't talked about this.

00:51:16.280 We've had Jesse on the podcast and we

00:51:18.300 talked about this.

00:51:19.040 Jesse's single.

00:51:20.100 Yeah.

00:51:21.240 He's great.

00:51:22.000 You know, I know.

00:51:22.560 And it was uncomfortable then too.

00:51:25.480 You guys know me.

00:51:26.480 I like to go to the place that hurts.

00:51:28.260 Yeah.

00:51:28.600 But this is, this is, this is the

00:51:29.940 thing.

00:51:30.220 I mean, it seems to me that, that it

00:51:31.660 probably shouldn't be so

00:51:32.840 uncomfortable.

00:51:33.340 I mean, what makes it uncomfortable is

00:51:35.140 the, the rather insane culture that we

00:51:37.360 live in at the moment.

00:51:38.920 Everyone, everyone I've ever talked to

00:51:41.480 like has sympathy for people with

00:51:43.420 gender dysphoria.

00:51:44.380 They're, they're compassionate towards

00:51:45.900 them.

00:51:46.120 They're concerned about it.

00:51:47.080 In general, the people who I talk to

00:51:49.060 who are thoughtful and who are

00:51:50.940 concerned about young people receiving

00:51:52.880 medical treatment in these contexts, um,

00:51:55.660 are generally worried that young people

00:51:57.540 will be forced into or pressured into, or

00:52:00.800 even in general with a bunch of good

00:52:02.800 people surround them, make a decision

00:52:04.260 that they might come to regret years

00:52:05.740 later.

00:52:06.100 There are all sorts of prohibitions on

00:52:07.940 things that children can do.

00:52:09.540 You can't, I'm not even sure if it's

00:52:10.940 a 13 or 14 year old, if you can go get

00:52:12.580 your ears pierced on your own, maybe

00:52:14.340 at 16, you're not able to do that.

00:52:16.400 Um, you're certainly not able to drink

00:52:17.600 or buy cigarettes.

00:52:18.760 Um, so to the extent that there's some

00:52:21.260 conversation about whether or not, you

00:52:23.740 know, to limit, um, state funds that

00:52:25.840 are being directed towards this or

00:52:27.520 something else, there are genuinely

00:52:29.880 thoughtful conversations that could be

00:52:31.380 had about the risks and the benefit and

00:52:33.400 the concerns that one might have.

00:52:35.600 And we forego all of that in service of

00:52:39.600 kind of the, the kind of activists

00:52:42.560 insisting that anyone who is expressing

00:52:44.600 concern about this or asking questions

00:52:46.400 is by definition transphobic.

00:52:48.640 And I think that is incredibly

00:52:50.340 unhelpful.

00:52:51.260 Um, and I think blanket prohibitions are

00:52:53.460 almost certainly unhelpful too, depending

00:52:56.240 on the specific things that we're talking

00:52:58.000 about, but again, it's just, there, there

00:53:00.520 seems to be no, uh, willingness to allow

00:53:03.420 people to try and have careful, thoughtful

00:53:05.640 conversations about this, appreciate that

00:53:07.840 in general, we all want the best for one

00:53:11.000 another and want the best for young people.

00:53:13.140 Um, and that's where I think most of these

00:53:15.320 conversations are coming from.

00:53:16.440 I think there are very few people who are

00:53:18.380 genuinely bigoted and who just don't, don't

00:53:21.160 care about trans people or don't want to

00:53:22.600 believe that trans people exist or some, one of

00:53:24.880 those other absurd mischaracterizations of

00:53:28.340 the, the position that I think a lot of

00:53:31.020 sensible and reasonable people have, um, where

00:53:33.560 they're just uncertain about some of these

00:53:35.640 practices.

00:53:36.520 I gotta say as a parent of a four, a 14

00:53:39.900 year old girl, the idea that she would have

00:53:42.180 any idea about making a life decision that

00:53:46.200 major is just ridiculous, just ridiculous.

00:53:49.440 Is she like roll down here and say, yeah, I'm

00:53:51.680 gonna, can you chop these off and call me

00:53:54.440 Dale from now on?

00:53:55.680 Uh, I would laugh at her.

00:53:57.020 Like that's a horse.

00:53:58.140 Of course not.

00:53:59.000 Dale's a good name to choose.

00:54:01.400 Dale, I mean, Dale, that's where we draw the

00:54:04.380 line for, that's my new pseudonym.

00:54:07.380 Uh, no, I, I don't believe in any of these.

00:54:10.240 I used to be open-minded to this and, and

00:54:12.420 having done a lot of shows on this now, I

00:54:14.600 am 100% against cross gender hormones and

00:54:18.900 surgical treatments for minors.

00:54:20.560 It's, they are too young.

00:54:22.100 There is no such thing as informed consent and

00:54:24.680 disturbingly nine times out of 10, you have an

00:54:28.080 activist or ideological parent or doctor, either

00:54:32.940 the surgeon or the psychiatrist or both slash

00:54:36.480 therapist who are pushing it on them as opposed to

00:54:40.260 digging deeper to find out, are there other root

00:54:42.600 causes that have led you to feel like you're in quote,

00:54:46.200 the wrong body it's the system is not trustworthy and

00:54:50.380 therefore it, no, I don't trust it to handle any

00:54:54.080 children, any child whatsoever that 18 is the

00:54:57.520 minimum.

00:54:57.780 I mean, I, I could be persuaded on the 26 year old

00:55:00.160 thing, but for sure 18.

00:55:02.580 Well, you can talk about this and have an opinion on

00:55:04.440 it because you have done a number of shows and devoted

00:55:08.160 a lot of attention to it.

00:55:09.320 The thing about it is I hear people talking about it.

00:55:11.680 And one of the reasons that I refrain from talking

00:55:13.460 about it is actually not because, uh, well, I

00:55:16.380 shouldn't say not only because I'm terrified of some

00:55:19.240 of the people in the activist class there.

00:55:21.260 It's a much more, shall we say, vigorous, uh, activist

00:55:24.340 class for that particular issue.

00:55:25.720 If you can look at people like, uh, JK Rowling, who

00:55:28.640 from the perspective of.

00:55:29.440 I know, but we need to fight them, Moynihan.

00:55:30.920 We need to fight them.

00:55:31.600 No, I understand.

00:55:31.960 They don't speak for trans people.

00:55:33.240 Like your trans viewer that you told me about last

00:55:35.420 time.

00:55:35.880 That's a great person.

00:55:36.780 I'm sure that's a lovely person.

00:55:38.280 I just made that up.

00:55:38.520 This person is not represented by those lunatics.

00:55:42.280 Um, no, I mean, I understand that, but for me, when

00:55:45.920 it comes to the specific things about it and, you

00:55:48.320 know, look, maybe you're right, maybe I should get

00:55:49.780 educated on this, but you know, you have a lot of

00:55:51.580 stuff to pay attention to is that it is actually a

00:55:54.120 scientific and a medical question too.

00:55:56.140 I mean, the instinct that one has is that as somebody

00:55:58.880 with an 11 year old daughter, um, you know, much

00:56:01.620 like Matt, I mean, I, she can't, she can't make any

00:56:04.300 decisions about anything, uh, much less something

00:56:06.900 that would be, uh, something that you'd carry with

00:56:09.560 her for the rest of her life and such serious as

00:56:11.800 like, I'm changing my gender.

00:56:13.400 That seems wild to me, but you know, when somebody

00:56:16.800 says, let's ban X, Y, and Z there, there is, and as

00:56:19.280 you, as you pointed out, Megan, there are medical

00:56:22.140 issues here when you're talking about hormones and

00:56:24.360 the rest of what the, the, the, um, side effects of

00:56:27.820 these hormones are and everything.

00:56:29.160 So, so yeah, that's, I'm, that's the thing that one

00:56:31.860 has to kind of know about it before they start talking

00:56:33.860 about it.

00:56:34.080 And people tend not to, but I saw an interesting

00:56:35.800 study the other day and I can't remember who tweeted

00:56:37.520 it, but it was about college campuses and whether

00:56:40.000 people felt free about discussing certain issues on

00:56:42.600 campus.

00:56:43.080 And some of them were fine.

00:56:44.440 And the one that people felt, you know, the least

00:56:47.260 free to discuss was trans issues by a lot, by a big

00:56:51.000 amount.

00:56:51.320 Because of those lunatic activists.

00:56:53.140 It's, it's very successful.

00:56:54.480 It's very successful.

00:56:55.320 I mean, you've seen what I thought was a campaign.

00:56:57.280 It's wonderful to be on the other side.

00:56:59.080 I want you guys to know, and I want the world, it's

00:57:01.320 wonderful to not be afraid of those people, to not

00:57:04.080 be afraid of those people.

00:57:05.080 We've had trans people on this show, absolutely lovely

00:57:08.060 people who do not feel that those people represent

00:57:11.500 them, who feel that those people are giving trans

00:57:13.160 people a bad name.

00:57:13.960 So screw the activists.

00:57:15.440 I don't listen to them and neither should you.

00:57:17.280 Sorry.

00:57:17.480 Okay.

00:57:17.740 Go ahead.

00:57:18.160 Go ahead.

00:57:18.440 Yeah.

00:57:18.800 I just, I just lost my job, Megan.

00:57:22.280 I'm kind of, I'm kind of rough.

00:57:23.960 I don't know if I need more money.

00:57:25.440 Yeah.

00:57:25.960 No, I mean, honestly though, this is the thing.

00:57:28.100 I mean, I'm talking, the activists in this particular

00:57:30.960 issue are so deranged in the way they treat people

00:57:34.540 and the way they try to destroy people's lives that

00:57:36.760 when I first saw the JK Rowling thing, I thought this

00:57:40.960 was going to be pretty fringe.

00:57:42.380 And then when I saw everybody who's doing, I think it

00:57:46.080 was HBO that had some, you know, Harry Potter anniversary

00:57:49.860 thing and didn't invite her to the round table.

00:57:52.340 Yeah.

00:57:52.640 If you had asked any people and like ask everybody in

00:57:55.500 America, do a poll of Americans, people over the age of

00:57:58.180 18, actually try it would be the age of 30 would be

00:58:01.800 interesting.

00:58:02.320 If the, her initial tweet about what it is to be a

00:58:05.620 woman is true or false, you would get a 94% hit rate.

00:58:09.960 So in that sense, Megan, you're right.

00:58:11.400 I mean, I mean, everyone except for this very vocal and

00:58:14.100 very loud minority has a kind of uniform opinion about

00:58:17.900 this and there's nuances to it all.

00:58:19.640 Right.

00:58:19.980 But it is, it is terrifying the way people who, I mean,

00:58:25.300 particularly in England where you can get arrested for the,

00:58:27.140 for an errant tweet.

00:58:28.240 So that stuff is kind of scary too.

00:58:30.560 Well, I'll tell you this.

00:58:31.340 If you wait, I mean, the, the, the people who advocate,

00:58:34.120 oh, you know, they say they have to have it right now.

00:58:36.540 Of course they always drop the, or they'll commit suicide

00:58:38.500 line on you.

00:58:39.180 And Chloe yesterday was saying that was used on her

00:58:41.020 parents too.

00:58:41.480 And it was BS.

00:58:42.440 And she objected to that language.

00:58:44.400 And so did the others in this new daily caller documentary

00:58:47.400 called damaged, which is worth your time.

00:58:49.680 It's only an hour and it highlights five detransitioners.

00:58:52.240 Um, but in any event, if you wait past 18, no,

00:58:56.700 you can't forego puberty.

00:58:58.660 If you wait, of course you're going to hit puberty before 18.

00:59:01.440 However, I'm sorry, but they're the most famous trans person

00:59:05.680 in America after probably Laverne Cox and, um,

00:59:09.580 Caitlyn Jenner is this Dylan Mulvaney, who is everywhere,

00:59:13.640 who was a biological man up until I think less than two years ago.

00:59:18.460 And then decided that Dylan was going to be a girl.

00:59:22.160 Oh, in Dylan's words.

00:59:23.960 And this is Dylan at the Grammys because Dylan interviewed Joe Biden.

00:59:29.040 Look now, this is a biological man right here who just had the facial

00:59:33.420 feminization surgery.

00:59:35.520 I don't know what else Dylan has done, but this person did not have

00:59:38.440 hormones before 18.

00:59:40.500 They did not have sex reassignment surgery before age 18.

00:59:44.280 And so the whole argument of like, you've got to get into the body.

00:59:47.920 You've got to forestall male puberty and all that.

00:59:50.860 No, you actually don't.

00:59:52.620 Modern medicine has come so far that you can do that to a biological man.

00:59:56.680 Most people wouldn't even know that that's a biological man.

00:59:59.080 Um, so you don't have to get it while the kid is still a minor.

01:00:03.200 And as you point out, you know, can't make any decisions on their own.

01:00:05.880 I see the theory when this was kids in the single digits,

01:00:08.420 they're now putting them who face early puberty on hormone blockers

01:00:11.780 or your puberty blockers so that they can, I mean, I was thinking about this

01:00:15.680 guys, just as a transition, we were playing the game five seconds.

01:00:18.720 Do you know that game?

01:00:19.300 Five seconds is a board game.

01:00:20.440 It's very fun.

01:00:21.040 If you have kids and basically the way it works is you've got five seconds

01:00:24.280 to pull the card.

01:00:25.000 I think it's a British game.

01:00:26.200 We might've gotten it overseas.

01:00:27.100 Cause it's got a bunch of London references in there.

01:00:29.200 UK references that none of us knows.

01:00:31.360 And, uh, you got five seconds to name three things.

01:00:33.980 Like name five, five things you see in the daytime sky, right?

01:00:37.460 And you're like, Oh, a bird, whatever.

01:00:38.900 My kids had a dispute over whether the moon was there anyway.

01:00:42.600 Uh, so I said to my nine-year-old, he got the question,

01:00:44.440 name three things with a tail, which is pretty easy.

01:00:46.700 But in five seconds, the pressure's on.

01:00:48.520 And my nine-year-old who could be transitioned in half the States in our union

01:00:53.020 said bunny rabbit snake.

01:00:57.280 Now my point is

01:00:58.600 they cannot be trusted and they're not good decision makers.

01:01:05.180 And we've lost our minds as a society and even talking about this at those ages.

01:01:11.000 You know, I seem to remember that there was a time not so long ago where the, the national

01:01:15.800 trans conversation, when someone would suggest, well, you know, children are being in transition.

01:01:21.280 There are some of these hospitals that are performing these procedures on children where

01:01:24.580 someone would say, no, no, that isn't happening in any place.

01:01:26.700 Yeah.

01:01:26.980 That's not a thing.

01:01:27.600 And seamlessly, like we've become, we were at the place where, okay, well, they're going

01:01:31.620 to prohibit it for children.

01:01:33.000 And it's like, no, no, no.

01:01:34.120 Oh my God.

01:01:34.500 It's an outrage.

01:01:35.200 This can't possibly happen.

01:01:36.480 And I've seen this happen in a couple of places where the public debate and the public

01:01:41.820 rhetoric seems to suggest one thing.

01:01:43.580 And you're assured that this thing isn't happening ever anywhere.

01:01:46.700 But then it seems that no, it is in fact happening.

01:01:51.060 Again, I, I, I feel, I feel torn about this probably because I just don't read about it

01:01:58.700 a great deal.

01:01:59.420 I'm maybe less nervous about this sort of topic than I ought to be.

01:02:03.540 But it's just really hard for me not to get to a place where we can, to want to get to

01:02:08.360 a place where we can talk about this thoughtfully, like got kids, it, they could have any number

01:02:13.360 of problems if they had body integrity disorder and they believe that their left arm didn't

01:02:17.380 belong to them.

01:02:18.220 I, as their father probably would not advise searching a surgical, searching for a surgical

01:02:23.900 remedy for that surgery can always carry all manner of horrendous.

01:02:28.700 risks, um, and a gender reassignment surgery, one that includes hormones, um, that you're

01:02:34.700 may have to take for the rest of your life.

01:02:36.780 That is a profoundly huge decision, um, for any adult to make, let alone a parent to make

01:02:43.840 on behalf of their children.

01:02:45.500 We should all be thoughtful about this kind of thing.

01:02:48.500 Um, and I, I just hope that we can get to a place where we can be sane, um, about these

01:02:53.220 issues again.

01:02:53.860 Me too.

01:02:54.460 Like the Europeans are now.

01:02:55.560 There's start these, some of these Scandinavian company, uh, countries, they're all coming

01:02:58.780 around to like, Whoa, hit the brakes.

01:03:00.160 This is, wait a minute.

01:03:01.340 We, we, we've lost our minds.

01:03:02.880 All right.

01:03:03.340 So to me, there's cause in that fight to push back.

01:03:08.460 I don't care if people are offended.

01:03:10.260 I, you know, like I'm beyond caring about their offense.

01:03:12.460 We have to fight to protect children.

01:03:13.900 And I think that some of the pushback we've seen in response to another movement, like

01:03:19.820 the me too movement has been very valid and worthwhile too.

01:03:23.860 It's one of the reasons why time's up collapsed because they decided to go political and they

01:03:28.500 only believed all women who were accusing Republicans.

01:03:32.280 That was their secret slogan at times up.

01:03:35.240 And they imploded because they wouldn't help people like, uh, Andrew Cuomo's accuser or, uh,

01:03:40.740 Joe Biden's accuser.

01:03:42.060 Uh, and that brings me to the case of army hammer.

01:03:44.820 So army hammer, I don't know if he was like a list, but he was getting there star in Hollywood.

01:03:51.560 Very good looking guy actually descended from the arm and hammer family.

01:03:56.540 That was kind of crazy.

01:03:58.220 Um, and he got me to right out of the industry in 2021.

01:04:04.160 And it happened because this one woman with whom he did have an affair, he was married,

01:04:09.080 came forward to say that she had been assaulted by him and raped by him.

01:04:16.580 And then there was a cascade of women who came forward saying not that they'd been raped by him,

01:04:22.380 but that he was a disturbed guy, that he was into cannibalism is what they were saying.

01:04:27.480 No one alleged that he ate them, but he certainly made a lot of very weird, disturbing comments about wanting to.

01:04:35.580 Like there was a thing with wanting to eat all these women's ribs, like actually put barbecue sauce on their ribs and eat it.

01:04:41.820 Like really weird, not normal stuff.

01:04:44.360 And, um, the one woman came out and of course we had, you know, Q, Gloria Allred, who came in to save the day.

01:04:54.200 Do we have that? You guys, my team, uh, we don't have it yet.

01:04:57.800 Okay. Well, in any event, Gloria Allred came out with the accuser, you know, sad, sad accuser who was raped by Armie Hammer.

01:05:04.900 Well, long story short, he has now, this is Armie and the accuser.

01:05:09.400 Uh, he's now given an interview to airmail, which is fair.

01:05:13.100 And I don't, are you guys following airmail? It's interesting.

01:05:15.220 Yeah.

01:05:15.640 Into it.

01:05:16.060 It is very interesting.

01:05:17.020 It's by, uh, Graydon Carter and, uh, Alessandra.

01:05:21.220 Really?

01:05:21.840 Yeah.

01:05:22.180 Remember the name.

01:05:22.740 It's real.

01:05:24.300 I just paid 80 bucks to subscribe to this thing for, on an annual basis.

01:05:26.880 Cause it's good.

01:05:27.600 They're doing good reporting on Idaho too.

01:05:29.520 He gave an interview to them and it turns out this woman who upon whose allegation, you know,

01:05:35.500 all the rest came forward to him and like his ruination in Hollywood was based is extremely

01:05:39.780 sketchy to be charitable.

01:05:42.700 And guess what?

01:05:44.120 Gloria Allred dumped her.

01:05:45.540 And when Gloria Allred won't represent you, you got no case.

01:05:49.260 Um, and has that the media hasn't covered.

01:05:52.840 And this woman has refused to sign a statement under penalties of perjury, uh, an affidavit

01:05:58.780 or a declaration backing up the claim she's making online against Armie Hammer.

01:06:02.660 So when the, you know, whatever, when it, when push came to shove, she wasn't willing to

01:06:06.860 put it under oath.

01:06:09.020 And, um, there's a real question about he, his point is we did have sort of rough sex,

01:06:13.080 but it was all by design.

01:06:14.580 We'd been together for four years having an affair and he's got all these texts of her

01:06:19.260 texts to him are so filthy and vulgar and seeking out, I mean, despicable treatment from

01:06:26.660 him that I can't, I mean, I've got a potty mouth and even I cannot read these on the air.

01:06:31.220 So I know you guys have been, are up to speed on the airmail reporting, the Armie Hammer thing.

01:06:34.780 So what do you make of all of this?

01:06:37.540 Because they exposed some things about the other accusers too, that the media has been

01:06:41.700 very loathe to even touch.

01:06:43.360 And this guy's career is completely in ruins.

01:06:45.400 It reminded me of a couple of, the first thing I would say is that you said jokingly that,

01:06:51.620 you know, he didn't actually, no one accused them of actually cannibalism.

01:06:56.300 Actually not true.

01:06:57.260 In the piece, his wife, his ex-wife picks up on internet rumors that there was a remains

01:07:03.260 of, uh, someone found in California that was close to where his friend had a house.

01:07:08.340 And in this, um, report that she, you know, made people in the Cayman Islands, uh, produce

01:07:14.200 about his mental state, she said that there were multiple murder investigations possibly.

01:07:19.460 I mean, this is how far and crazy this went.

01:07:21.340 And of course his wife is colluding with the, the accuser because she wants custody of the

01:07:27.360 kids.

01:07:27.660 And it's just in black and white, by the way, people, if you're doing this, why are you

01:07:30.180 texting it?

01:07:30.640 Don't ever text it.

01:07:31.540 If you're trying to get away with this stuff, it exists on two computers and two phones.

01:07:35.380 So that is interesting to me, but what I found really fascinating about it is that I said

01:07:41.020 this to Matt the other day, who was on the Bill Maher show when this kind of came out

01:07:46.220 and I think Bill kind of defended him and I thought there was something a bit fishy about

01:07:51.280 it and didn't know exactly what, but there was something a bit off about it.

01:07:55.120 And the, the act of, you know, not defending somebody, but doing investigative journalism on

01:08:02.340 this topic has been so foreboding that Jamie Kerchick, who deserves a ton of credit for

01:08:08.200 doing a 9,000 word piece, Jamie's a brilliant guy, he's a friend of ours.

01:08:12.120 But, you know, Jamie doing that, it took somebody, I like Jamie, by the way, who just doesn't

01:08:15.800 really care and is a real tough, hard-nosed journalist.

01:08:19.180 God bless.

01:08:20.100 When you look at what happened to Dan Abrams, nothing happened to Dan Abrams, but Dan Abrams

01:08:24.460 published.

01:08:25.860 Yeah.

01:08:26.040 Well, I, I'm going somewhere interesting.

01:08:27.820 Is he accused of cannibalism?

01:08:29.660 He's a friend.

01:08:30.180 No, he wasn't accused, he's guilty of it, but he, I'm just joking, Dan, I know you're

01:08:34.420 a lawyer, don't sue me.

01:08:34.980 Just kidding, Dan, we're just kidding.

01:08:36.980 No, his, his website, Mediaite, published Matt Lauer's defense of himself.

01:08:43.680 And that was considered, no one read it, because when you read it, it's actually kind of interesting.

01:08:48.320 You're like, oh, there's some nuances to this, there's some wrinkles to it, there's

01:08:50.620 two sides to it.

01:08:51.480 The button thing that everyone knows about this, everybody knows one thing about the Matt

01:08:55.020 Lauer story, is that he has a button in the inside of his desk that locks people in.

01:08:58.500 That's not true.

01:09:00.180 But yet everybody knows it.

01:09:01.460 And he discusses that and other things.

01:09:03.820 And he got, you know, Abrams got a ton of crap for this, just for allowing him a platform

01:09:08.660 to say, here's my side of the story.

01:09:11.140 There shouldn't be his side.

01:09:12.420 And then there's the guy from, I think it was Ian Baruma, who was the editor of the New

01:09:17.160 York Review of Books, who published this guy's Canadian guy, Janesh, something other, a Canadian

01:09:22.720 media figure who had been accused of all sorts of sexual assaults and crimes.

01:09:27.200 And he got fired for publishing that piece.

01:09:29.360 Was the piece good?

01:09:30.220 I don't know.

01:09:30.460 I didn't read it.

01:09:31.040 But he was fired for publishing it.

01:09:33.560 So the fact that this happened so many years later, it's sensed to me is that the kind of

01:09:39.580 fog is lifting a little bit.

01:09:41.020 But there was nobody, if you said, I have a defense, not even a defense, but I have the

01:09:46.060 other side, I have Armie Hammer's side.

01:09:48.200 Not a lot of people are going to publish that when it happened in 2000, 2001.

01:09:52.200 And now it seems slightly different because that piece is really interesting.

01:09:56.740 And you can think, as you said, Megan, that, you know, it's kind of weird, the stuff that

01:10:01.620 he's texting, right?

01:10:02.540 It's not my cup of tea.

01:10:04.060 It's 100% weird.

01:10:05.180 Yeah, it's like BDSM stuff.

01:10:06.820 But as somebody in the piece said, some Hollywood producer is like, you hear this word in other

01:10:10.520 places, kink shaming, you know, this phrase, right?

01:10:13.760 Apparently that's, that's, you know, what we're doing here, kink shaming.

01:10:17.780 But that is not okay in other contexts, but it was here because it's just, you know,

01:10:22.200 it's a weird fact.

01:10:22.880 Well, because he also comes out and says that he was the victim of child sex abuse when he

01:10:27.440 was younger and that, and it went on for a year and it was, I think, a member of the

01:10:30.960 clergy and that that's what led to his need for domination and control in sexual encounters.

01:10:37.140 Like it was a defense, but he's not, he seems to be taking responsibility for much of his

01:10:41.660 bad behavior.

01:10:42.460 But again, it's sort of a, not an excuse, but an explanation for some of these very bizarre

01:10:48.100 practices he's into.

01:10:49.380 But I mean, I will say, cause we talk about this on the college campus situation all the

01:10:53.300 time, how these guys get tried in these kangaroo courts that are run by quote, victims advocates.

01:10:58.840 Oh, what a shock.

01:10:59.720 It doesn't come out their way.

01:11:00.780 Um, and then when they, and they don't even have a right to full discovery, thanks Joe

01:11:05.780 Biden, cause he's re-implementing the Obama policies right now.

01:11:10.200 Um, and then when, when they get their hands on a text message from the girl or a letter

01:11:16.240 she's written to somebody else that the colleges don't even care.

01:11:20.320 They're like, Oh, you were found guilty.

01:11:21.940 This, this actually happened with a guy at Amherst, I think, who came out with text messages

01:11:26.240 with the girl showing like, Oh, I totally did him.

01:11:28.840 I loved it.

01:11:29.460 You know, I brought him over.

01:11:30.580 Nope.

01:11:30.960 They didn't care too bad.

01:11:32.140 You already been found convicted, you know, move on your sex offender.

01:11:35.240 And in this case, airmail lays out how this alleged accuser, the Gloria all red client

01:11:41.280 sent hammer, uh, after the alleged rape, and I'm not going to read this, but I'll just give

01:11:47.980 you a flavor.

01:11:48.500 Cause I know people are like, read it.

01:11:50.400 Um, the following text as she writes helplessly horny, this is after her alleged rape.

01:11:56.240 And I just need to tell you, cause it's been so long since last time I've been blanking

01:11:59.920 more so hard and screaming.

01:12:02.060 My legs going to be effed in ballet.

01:12:04.780 I'm dying to send you pics of just disgusting things and hear you breathing in my ear and

01:12:09.940 I can't say the rest, but it's filthy.

01:12:13.560 This is a filthy, filthy text by any standard.

01:12:16.680 This is after her alleged rape.

01:12:17.780 This would have been really useful to see this.

01:12:20.100 This is why I'm guessing that in her refusal to sign this warrant statement, the, uh, police

01:12:25.660 in LA moved right on.

01:12:27.480 There's no charges against army hammer and there won't be.

01:12:29.740 And, but the sad thing is the media moves right on too.

01:12:31.940 And there's a difference between having a fetish and having some issues in the bedroom

01:12:35.220 and being a rapist.

01:12:38.360 Yeah.

01:12:38.880 It's, you know, reading, uh, Jamie's piece, which is, which is very good.

01:12:42.740 I mean, Jamie, he's good at his job.

01:12:44.080 So I'm not surprised, but it did remind me a lot of the Amy Cooper situation that I did

01:12:48.660 some recording on and the, the difficulty of being a person who has your back against

01:12:53.980 the wall, who's facing this wall of indictments.

01:12:57.080 And in his particular case, there are all of these women coming out of the woodwork, um,

01:13:01.420 kind of pointing an accusatory finger at him.

01:13:03.640 They're not all saying the same thing, which is very important, but in a moment like that,

01:13:07.800 there's no interest in differentiating.

01:13:10.440 And I could only imagine that even if he had brought these text messages forward to show

01:13:14.920 them to a journalist that they, in some instances, and I could tell you that this certainly happened

01:13:20.660 with the Amy Cooper thing.

01:13:22.040 They're not even interested in publishing material that conflicts with the dominant narrative that

01:13:28.000 is out there right now.

01:13:29.440 Um, and you know, apart from finding someone like Jamie, um, a year removed from the original

01:13:35.820 drama, you might not really have an opportunity to tell your own story.

01:13:39.520 And this is a guy who had some resources, who had some means, who had a profile, um, and wasn't,

01:13:44.220 wasn't able to do that.

01:13:45.900 Um, these things, not only does it happen as you were just pointing out, um, Megan to,

01:13:50.300 to celebrities, it can happen to kids who are in college.

01:13:53.060 It can happen to anonymous individuals.

01:13:55.640 And it's the reason why we ought to always reserve a bit of judgment, exercise some skepticism

01:14:00.740 and ask thoughtful questions here.

01:14:02.520 I mean, the fact that this woman would not swear to an affidavit, um, is, is a massive deal.

01:14:08.080 And the fact that no journalist reported on this at all at the time, um, is, is horrendous.

01:14:14.220 Um, and it, it says a great deal about the state, the horrible, um, state of the, the

01:14:19.520 national prestige, um, news media.

01:14:22.740 It's so many me too victims or accusers, right?

01:14:28.140 There's a distinction there.

01:14:29.420 So many.

01:14:30.180 And I'm, I am happy to let them tell their stories.

01:14:33.240 If I think that if I have reason to believe that they're in good faith, right.

01:14:35.800 Which is sort of the standard as a journalist, but I would put any guy accused of me too behavior

01:14:40.320 in front of me, just like that.

01:14:41.920 And I, I mean, I could, if I could go down the list and tell you all the ones I've tried

01:14:45.100 to get, you know, please, please come talk to me.

01:14:48.220 They're terrified.

01:14:49.620 It's not just of me.

01:14:50.940 It's of putting their story out there because it's just going to result in a whole other

01:14:55.580 wave of backlash.

01:14:56.880 And I'm sure some of them are innocent, you know, not all of them, but some of them are,

01:15:01.660 but we've gotten to the point now where it's just better just to go under a rock and

01:15:06.660 never reemerge.

01:15:07.440 Go ahead, Matt Walsh, the due process is not just a legal concept.

01:15:12.140 It's a way of thinking, just like free speech is not just about what the government does

01:15:16.900 vis-a-vis the first amendment.

01:15:17.840 It's a cultural ethic and ethos.

01:15:19.740 And it's one that we should always have in journalism.

01:15:23.960 And we should also always have in society is as we're about ready to pass judgment or,

01:15:29.620 or say something about someone that has that, do you know enough about the facts of the

01:15:34.860 case to say with confidence?

01:15:38.380 You don't have to try it in a court of law necessarily, but are you just generally being

01:15:41.620 fair?

01:15:42.180 That used to be a journalistic, basic kind of one-on-one situation.

01:15:47.260 But I think really starting with the Me Too movement and then going into the racial reckoning

01:15:51.860 after George Floyd killing, then that went away in a hurry.

01:15:56.600 We know, I mean, between the three or four of us, how many people do we know who have

01:16:01.940 had their lives at least temporarily, if not in a significant way, derailed by false accusations

01:16:08.440 having to do with just those two events?

01:16:11.860 The shitty media men list.

01:16:13.800 I know people who are on that list.

01:16:16.240 And I mean, it's shocking that Moynihan wasn't on that list.

01:16:18.700 I tried to put myself on it, but all four of us tried.

01:16:23.580 Can't volunteer yourself.

01:16:25.120 I was like, why?

01:16:26.680 Unfair.

01:16:27.800 There are people whose lives were absolutely ruined by being on a completely anonymous,

01:16:33.560 like no consequences to add someone's name on public list that shot through the internet

01:16:40.460 like out of a cannon a few years back.

01:16:43.780 That's horrible.

01:16:44.440 That is just absolutely in violation of any kind of concept of due process.

01:16:49.640 And I think we're going to look back on these little spasms and go, what the hell?

01:16:53.900 It's going to be Salem witch trial situation.

01:16:56.080 It's going to be satanic panic in the 80s and early 90s.

01:16:59.060 People are going to say, what?

01:17:00.300 We lost control of our faculties at that moment.

01:17:03.040 And we did.

01:17:03.920 And thankfully, there's been a pretty good rash of recent journalism.

01:17:07.840 And it is interesting that this is an airmail, right?

01:17:10.260 This is Graydon Carter, longtime New York editor, excellence, the former editor of Vanity Fair.

01:17:16.880 Who comes into a little bit of side eye in this piece?

01:17:20.760 Vanity Fair.

01:17:21.520 Their biggest article from 2021 was a pylon on Armie Hammer.

01:17:25.740 So it's kind of significant that you see these people who are independent journalists.

01:17:29.920 They're podcasters, they're on Substack, who maintain these traditions of due process and

01:17:36.180 kind of fairness and intellectual curiosity.

01:17:39.000 And increasingly, they're not welcome at the traditional centers of so-called journalistic

01:17:45.720 excellence.

01:17:46.880 I'm glad to see this piece out by Jamin now.

01:17:48.920 And hopefully we'll see a lot more.

01:17:50.580 Oh, it's so true, Matt.

01:17:51.700 It's so delightful to be released from those chains.

01:17:55.200 It's like, I love the society that is getting built outside of the traditional media channels.

01:18:01.340 It's got so many great people.

01:18:03.340 And they have such different characteristics.

01:18:05.020 Like this airmail is this in-depth, really interesting print reporting.

01:18:08.940 But by the way, so far, what I've seen on there is excellent writers, too.

01:18:12.600 It's not just enough to report.

01:18:14.660 Like the spin, like turning a phrase and really bringing you there, it's sort of an act of beauty

01:18:19.660 when you read some of these pieces.

01:18:21.160 So I love that.

01:18:22.260 Love what Barry's doing, the Free Press, what you guys are doing.

01:18:24.540 Love what we're doing here.

01:18:26.180 It's like, I find it so enriching and more meaningful and more truthful, more uplifting,

01:18:31.320 more just it makes you a smarter person, makes you a happier person, makes you a better person.

01:18:36.020 Who thought we could get that out of any sort of media entity, right?

01:18:40.740 It's just something's collapsing and something else is rising.

01:18:44.100 And all hail the Phoenix because things are getting better in the media world.

01:18:48.480 Fifth Column is part of that.

01:18:49.840 And they stick around for probably the most fun block of the show when we get to.

01:18:54.300 So I got a lot on my list.

01:18:55.500 I want to get to Tom Brady in his underwear.

01:18:57.720 I want to get to J-Lo and that moment she had with Ben Affleck.

01:19:00.920 Leonardo DiCaprio is dating like, I don't know.

01:19:03.660 I don't even know if she has numbers on her age.

01:19:06.320 She's so young.

01:19:06.880 I'm going to try to get to all of it.

01:19:09.200 Stand by.

01:19:09.620 Guys, I'm just getting word from my producers that there has been yet another Don Lemon

01:19:18.220 meltdown over on CNN just now, apparently like openly berating.

01:19:25.000 Yeah, on air openly.

01:19:26.360 We're cutting it.

01:19:27.320 We'll have it for you in two minutes.

01:19:28.940 Oh, man.

01:19:30.420 His co-host, Caitlin Collins.

01:19:31.560 My God, it's getting like he's starting to lose it.

01:19:33.040 All right.

01:19:33.220 Put a pin in that because I'm coming back to it just as soon as we have the tape for you.

01:19:35.840 But before we get to that, I don't know if you watch the Grammys.

01:19:39.720 I know there are a lot of headlines.

01:19:40.960 You mentioned Satanic Panic, Matt Walsh.

01:19:43.780 That's what a lot of people are having as a result of Sam Smith.

01:19:46.180 But I don't care about that.

01:19:47.180 I don't want to talk about that.

01:19:48.080 I want to talk about what happened to Madonna's face.

01:19:50.500 What happened to Madonna's face?

01:19:52.560 I'm sorry.

01:19:53.160 I don't mean to be ungenerous to Madonna, whose music I liked for many, many years.

01:19:58.340 But this to me is a sickness that she's gone this far.

01:20:02.320 We're going to put it on the board any second now that she has gone this far

01:20:05.420 in her what?

01:20:07.100 In her desire to stay youthful, to hold on to youth, to stay provocative.

01:20:13.100 Megan, can you tell your producers that they put up a picture of W.C. Fields

01:20:17.080 and not Madonna?

01:20:18.740 I thought it was Marilyn Manson.

01:20:21.080 Is that who that is?

01:20:22.720 It's Marilyn Manson.

01:20:23.700 Oh, my goodness.

01:20:24.140 I'm sorry.

01:20:24.780 But this is a sickness.

01:20:26.980 Is that Madonna?

01:20:27.220 This is an unwell person who we featured at the Grammys the other night.

01:20:30.240 And I don't know if it says more about her, about our society, about celebrity, but it's

01:20:36.140 disturbing me at the core because I really hoped she's about I don't I don't know how old she

01:20:42.140 is.

01:20:42.260 She's in her 60s.

01:20:42.920 So I'm going to say she's 10, 12 years older than I am.

01:20:45.160 But I would be in a better place when I got to my 60s than Madonna is.

01:20:49.840 She's 64.

01:20:50.560 Yeah.

01:20:50.680 So she's 12 years older than I am.

01:20:51.720 And I really hope that I would be in a better place.

01:20:54.380 You know, like I'd like to think when I'm 64, I'm not going to give a shit what people

01:20:58.360 think about the way I look or my age.

01:21:00.600 I'm just going to be like full fledged effing me.

01:21:04.360 You know, this tells me she's a sick person who needs some help.

01:21:09.880 What do you guys think?

01:21:11.460 How do you even walk out of the house looking like that?

01:21:13.800 I mean, the whole purpose of the surgery is to look better and younger in that.

01:21:17.900 I don't even know what that is.

01:21:19.960 You know what happens, you put some of that filler in there and then you need more.

01:21:23.660 Then you're like, I need more, more, more, more, more, more.

01:21:26.240 I mean, I get the fact that Madonna made her career on.

01:21:30.440 I mean, remember, one of the biggest things for her was always to be the provocateur.

01:21:34.260 And she had the sex book.

01:21:35.380 Do you remember that book?

01:21:36.240 Yeah, I do.

01:21:36.780 It came in like, you know, it was like a metal book and it cost $50 because you couldn't

01:21:40.480 reproduce it on the internet at the time.

01:21:42.280 And it was in this Mylar wrapping and it sold a ton, a ton.

01:21:47.380 She made a fortune off of that.

01:21:48.780 And their entire career has been, you know, utilizing that.

01:21:53.940 And it's kind of sad that one thinks that they have to try to, but there's no, I'm trying

01:21:59.700 to find somebody of that age who was very famous for being beautiful, who's had a ton

01:22:04.700 of work and still looks amazing.

01:22:06.680 It just never works.

01:22:07.840 I don't know why people keep doing it.

01:22:09.060 Jane Fonda, with whom I had my famous dust up over plastic surgery, because she's talked

01:22:13.720 about it a million times.

01:22:14.520 That's why I thought it was okay to ask her.

01:22:15.780 Um, but she does look awesome.

01:22:18.000 Her plastic surgery.

01:22:19.000 I actually interviewed her a year ago.

01:22:20.320 She looked amazing.

01:22:21.100 Yeah, she does.

01:22:22.120 I forgave her for the Vietnam thing.

01:22:24.320 I was like, fine, you look great.

01:22:25.900 It's forgotten.

01:22:27.500 No, you don't.

01:22:28.640 This is a sickness.

01:22:29.580 This is not about plastic surgery.

01:22:31.000 There are, there are tons of Hollywood's Hollywood celebrities who do plastic surgery who look

01:22:34.600 awesome.

01:22:34.980 This is something else.

01:22:36.780 Um, you got to work on yourself on like who you are inside.

01:22:40.120 No amount of filler or eyebrow shaving or lip plumping is going to do it.

01:22:45.940 And I, I just, you can see the illness on the outside now with her.

01:22:50.340 And I'm sad because I hope she gets it under control.

01:22:52.400 Okay.

01:22:53.000 Um, let's move on to Tom Brady, who seems a little list list to me since his retirement

01:22:58.940 announcement two minutes ago.

01:23:01.360 Um, why did he post this on the internet?

01:23:04.980 It's him.

01:23:06.280 You know, we had Giselle in her bathing suit.

01:23:08.140 Oh, this looks like something you'd yell at your teenage son for sending around to

01:23:12.320 his girlfriend.

01:23:13.060 Like, why is he posting pictures of himself in his little tiny underwear?

01:23:17.140 Somebody said he lost a bet.

01:23:19.120 Somebody said he was promoting this underwear.

01:23:20.900 I don't know, but Tom Brady doesn't need to promote underwear.

01:23:25.260 He's worth billions of dollars, hundreds of millions, at least.

01:23:28.020 Like what's why anyone thoughts?

01:23:30.880 Didn't his divorce situation just get like resolved or something like that?

01:23:35.660 Yeah, they're done.

01:23:36.340 Is this not him advertising?

01:23:37.800 I mean, some people can go on Tinder or whatever else.

01:23:40.880 Tom Brady perhaps doesn't want to do that.

01:23:42.620 He just wants to make it clear.

01:23:43.580 Hey, still looking great.

01:23:45.180 I may have retired, but I got it.

01:23:46.440 I got the thing.

01:23:46.880 Just in case you were wondering.

01:23:48.100 I am going to, yeah, I'm going to accuse you.

01:23:50.340 I mean, I'm very married and happily married, but I'm going to try a picture like that and see

01:23:53.700 what happens.

01:23:54.480 My Instagram will pop.

01:23:56.100 Yeah, I'm unfollowing you, but that's fine.

01:23:59.320 Number one, you're one less follower.

01:24:01.740 But I do want to call out the host of this great program, Megyn Kelly, for being a sexist.

01:24:08.620 Because, you know, women do this all the time.

01:24:10.660 Come on.

01:24:11.460 Emily Ratatouille or whatever.

01:24:12.840 I do want everything, everything.

01:24:14.840 So when Tom Brady does, I say, I say, fantastic.

01:24:18.720 But yeah, but you know what?

01:24:19.580 If I look like that, I'd never put a shirt on.

01:24:21.880 I don't look like that.

01:24:22.860 And I wear parkas in the summer.

01:24:25.620 But like, if I look like that, oh my God, you would be so many.

01:24:29.700 You have a good point.

01:24:30.500 I support him.

01:24:31.580 I salute him.

01:24:32.560 I salute Tom Brady.

01:24:33.060 I think maybe this is a midlife crisis.

01:24:34.340 I'm sensing midlife crisis.

01:24:35.480 But look, at least he tried the marriage thing.

01:24:37.960 He was married to Giselle from 2008 to this year.

01:24:40.600 They had kids.

01:24:41.520 They seem like loving parents.

01:24:43.840 Contrast that with another heartthrob, Leonardo DiCaprio, who is now 48 years old.

01:24:51.320 He looks almost as bad as Madonna.

01:24:52.960 He is bloated.

01:24:54.760 I mean, you could tell this guy's like partied a little bit too much.

01:24:57.660 He's got like a big bloated look, like step away from the booze.

01:25:02.060 And he is now dating a teenager, literally a teenager.

01:25:08.200 She's 19.

01:25:09.000 He's in the news every week for how he won't date anybody past age 25.

01:25:13.580 If he does, it makes news.

01:25:15.380 And now he's actually gone down to a teenager.

01:25:17.840 She could literally be his daughter.

01:25:19.940 And I don't know.

01:25:21.420 She's gorgeous.

01:25:22.280 And it's OK, great.

01:25:23.300 She's a model.

01:25:23.860 Of course, they all are.

01:25:25.260 To me, this is also sad.

01:25:26.420 I feel like this guy, from the rate of things, is never going to know the joy of like meeting somebody who he can fall in deep love with and build a family with.

01:25:35.400 He's just going to keep banging teenagers for the rest of his life.

01:25:38.160 I don't know.

01:25:38.480 Maybe there's some version of God.

01:25:39.640 Yeah.

01:25:39.840 More hands.

01:25:40.680 More power to him.

01:25:42.040 You make it sound so horrible.

01:25:44.060 I mean, it doesn't strike me as something to emulate.

01:25:49.000 I'm a French rule adherence, right?

01:25:52.120 Like the proper lane is, or at least the no-fly zone for me personally, is divide your age in half and add seven years.

01:26:01.480 And so for me, my God, that's 34 because I'm an old person now.

01:26:05.100 But I think that's a wise course of action towards happiness.

01:26:11.320 But at the same time, if you heard Leonardo DiCaprio talk about climate change and stuff, he's got the mind of a 19-year-old.

01:26:17.220 He's a terrific actor, and he's really good at playing drunk actors, as he did in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, smashing his face in a bowl full of ice.

01:26:28.980 He understands the actor's hangover in a really visceral sense.

01:26:33.960 So he's great at what he does, but he's not a smart person, evidently.

01:26:36.420 So maybe that's the level of conversation that he wants to have with a 19-year-old hot girl who's never had to challenge anybody with her wit.

01:26:47.840 Right, who's never had it.

01:26:48.820 So now that I've ripped on Madonna's looks and Leonardo DiCaprio's looks, I'm going to rip on my own.

01:26:53.980 I got my color done yesterday, so I'm extra blonde today.

01:26:57.360 Oh, nice.

01:26:57.740 This little piece of hair has been bothering me all show.

01:27:00.940 It's been getting in my eye, and I keep trying to swish it out of my eye.

01:27:03.500 But I don't want to swish it too far away.

01:27:05.640 I don't want it to go out like this, which would really get it out of my eye.

01:27:08.400 You want to know why?

01:27:09.500 Because I'm very worried that I will look like this guy.

01:27:12.580 Team, you may now put up the full screen I asked you to make, and you didn't understand.

01:27:15.780 Oh, yeah.

01:27:17.180 Yes.

01:27:19.560 For the listening audience, it's Hermie the Dentist from Rudolph.

01:27:23.760 Yeah.

01:27:24.660 Look at us together.

01:27:25.520 That's not a great look.

01:27:26.720 Look, it's really uncanny.

01:27:28.880 It is uncanny.

01:27:30.160 All I need is that little hat with the blue and red on it and the little reindeer next to me.

01:27:34.500 And again, Kelly dolls.

01:27:36.500 Megan, you're just a misfit.

01:27:38.100 You just don't fit in.

01:27:39.680 I'm very concerned.

01:27:40.540 I'm really...

01:27:41.380 You wore it better, though.

01:27:42.720 You wore it better.

01:27:43.440 I should not be casting stones.

01:27:44.340 I suppose there's some consolation in that.

01:27:46.160 Against anybody, Madonna or otherwise.

01:27:49.140 Okay, but I will.

01:27:50.240 And that brings us to Don Lemon.

01:27:51.800 We have the soundbite.

01:27:52.880 For the people who haven't been paying attention, he's already in the news for having had a meltdown

01:27:56.620 against Caitlin Collins.

01:27:57.980 There's three anchors, Poppy Harlow, Caitlin Collins, and Don on this morning show.

01:28:01.900 It was a promotion.

01:28:03.340 It was a promotion from his solo primetime show.

01:28:06.080 Don't get fooled.

01:28:06.680 He had a meltdown because he said Caitlin Collins was interrupting him.

01:28:10.960 However, there's now a videotape on the internet that's showing he was all over her.

01:28:14.520 He was interrupting her way more.

01:28:17.400 He apparently, according to the New York Post and exclusive reporting, screamed at her to

01:28:20.360 the point where she ran out of the studio upset and the staffers around them were upset.

01:28:26.220 CNN kind of denied it, but then said, well, it happened two months ago.

01:28:29.360 So it seems like something definitely did happen.

01:28:31.400 And now this is, and by the way, they haven't been anchoring in the same city.

01:28:35.300 They've separated them, which is also a tell.

01:28:38.200 Like you're supposed to be in the same studio generally with your co-anchors.

01:28:41.560 And that isn't solving it because this just happened.

01:28:46.120 Citing the New York Post as a credible source and saying that facts are, it's just, I can't

01:28:52.080 believe that we're here.

01:28:52.940 Caitlin, that was a great interview.

01:28:54.480 All right, moving on.

01:28:55.360 Um, anyway, well, now moving on because that's, listen, that's a big issue when it comes to

01:29:02.080 the American, hold on, please with the music.

01:29:03.520 That's a big issue when it comes to the American people.

01:29:05.600 American people are going to have to suffer through all of this stuff from election deniers

01:29:11.360 to people who don't believe in facts.

01:29:13.560 We don't have a shared reality.

01:29:15.260 And now it's taken center stage to people like Marjorie Taylor Greene, a, an election

01:29:20.400 denier, a conspiracy theorist, a QAnon sort of influencer or supporter.

01:29:25.040 We're presiding over the House of Representatives.

01:29:27.500 It's a sad day for America when that happens.

01:29:29.560 And it's a sad time for us when we have to deal with it.

01:29:32.240 Okay.

01:29:32.460 So here's the context you need to understand what just happened there.

01:29:35.600 Caitlin Collins is interviewing James Comer, head of oversight now, who's doing all the

01:29:39.240 investigations.

01:29:40.560 And in that interview, he, he mentioned something about the New York Post cited something referred

01:29:45.680 to the New York Post.

01:29:47.200 And then they wrapped.

01:29:48.320 And when they tossed back to the studio, Don Lemon was chastising her in that clip for

01:29:54.080 not challenging him on referencing the New York Post.

01:29:57.360 Like, how could you know this is a big deal?

01:29:59.020 The nation relies on, you know, whatever reporting, good reporting.

01:30:02.720 And then starts talking about other people who we shouldn't be giving platforms to and so

01:30:07.200 on.

01:30:07.340 So he's clearly got an issue with how she did the interview and chose to raise it on the

01:30:12.320 air.

01:30:13.420 And then so much so that he staved off the commercial break so he could finish making

01:30:18.180 his point about how she should have handled that.

01:30:21.100 Let me tell you, as somebody who has co-anchored with a lot of great co-anchors, no, no guy has

01:30:26.580 ever done that to me.

01:30:27.380 No guy has even ever come close to doing that to me.

01:30:29.500 And that's not to say that I've never had a disagreement with a co-host on how an interview

01:30:33.360 went or how the rhythm went on the air.

01:30:36.020 That is totally disrespectful and out of line.

01:30:38.440 What do you guys think?

01:30:40.160 My God, like staving off the commercial break, too.

01:30:43.280 I mean, just that alone.

01:30:44.880 I have lived in terror of of like getting the producer and you're like, got to rap now.

01:30:49.820 It's going to happen here in like eight minutes.

01:30:52.480 I'm going to see the clock and I'm going to start freaking out.

01:30:55.300 Um, but staving that off, staving off the music so you can make your flatulent little

01:31:00.140 point about the New York post.

01:31:01.660 Uh, it's, uh, it's very embarrassing.

01:31:03.560 Um, you know, uh, like, uh, you, you can't, it'd be similar to me to say that about like

01:31:09.480 Fox news.

01:31:09.940 I can't believe that you are citing Fox news.

01:31:12.400 Well, it's Fox news does journalism every day.

01:31:14.140 It's a news organization, regardless of what you think about it.

01:31:16.640 Um, what kind of, what kind of curious, uh, person are you, a kind of journalist are you

01:31:21.760 to did absolutely, uh, denounce an entire news organization that does journalism every

01:31:27.620 single day.

01:31:28.300 It's, uh, Oh, and he's so mad about the New York post, Matt.

01:31:31.040 I mean, first of all, the New York post is a great, a great publication.

01:31:33.620 It's highly entertaining and informative.

01:31:35.760 And secondly, they're the ones who broke the Hunter Biden story that people on Don Lemon

01:31:40.280 show and CNN told us was disinformation.

01:31:42.340 Don Lemon probably said it too.

01:31:43.300 I haven't gone back to check, but he's mad at the New York post.

01:31:46.220 Cause they broke the story that makes him look very silly, small, petty, and unprofessional.

01:31:52.380 And so this is him trying to disparage them and his co-anchor in one fell swoop.

01:31:57.560 If it is true that Chris Licht, the new head of CNN wants to take CNN away from the kind

01:32:05.080 of, you know, tumult of Trump coverage, which is very partisan.

01:32:10.380 Let's get more to the center.

01:32:11.440 I mean, it used to be, you can, well, if you had to watch news, there was Fox on the

01:32:14.480 right, there's MSNBC on the left.

01:32:15.860 If you want the news, you go in the middle, you go CNN.

01:32:17.720 Once they get back to that, Don Lemon is in that clip yelling at a journalist, a fellow

01:32:24.340 journalist, because the person wasn't ideological enough.

01:32:29.560 You didn't say that Marjorie Taylor Greene was an election denier.

01:32:32.660 How many times does Don Lemon think someone has to say that?

01:32:35.960 You have to do the throat clearing in front of every person who has questions, you know,

01:32:40.480 stupidly, in my opinion, questions the results of the election.

01:32:44.640 I mean, every single time.

01:32:46.520 When is Don Lemon going to be satisfied?

01:32:48.640 He's taken that eight o'clock thing that, you know, yelling, shouting show that he wants

01:32:53.760 to add.

01:32:54.260 And he's trying to do it on a morning show.

01:32:56.520 But the other thing is that I've been doing interviews for a very, very long time.

01:33:00.260 And it is the lowest form of criticism for someone to say, you should have said this.

01:33:07.020 You should have taken this off ramp.

01:33:08.740 There's about a thousand off ramps you can take in any given interview.

01:33:11.940 There's about a thousand things you can say in any given interview.

01:33:14.920 To say to somebody, why didn't you do this?

01:33:17.680 There's like these book reviews that you read.

01:33:19.060 Say, why didn't the author write the book that I wanted to read?

01:33:21.300 You're so right.

01:33:22.340 How how dare he mansplain to her how to conduct an interview on the air in front of the audience?

01:33:30.660 It's like how, you know, a husband and wife are never supposed to divide and argue in front

01:33:35.380 of the children.

01:33:36.080 As co-anchors, you don't argue in front of the audience.

01:33:38.760 They don't want to see that.

01:33:40.200 They want to see a united front.

01:33:41.500 They want to see people who get along, who like each other.

01:33:43.840 These people clearly can't stand each other.

01:33:45.860 And I got news for you, Chris Licht.

01:33:47.800 You're going to have to break up the band.

01:33:49.080 I realize you were finding a soft spot to land for Don Lemon, who you were demoting,

01:33:53.620 in fact, from the primetime.

01:33:55.440 This ain't it.

01:33:56.420 You got to try again.

01:33:57.720 And my suggestion would be to send him right out the door, because not only has he had a

01:34:01.260 long history of disinformation and dishonesty, I guarantee you, Caitlin Collins is not the

01:34:07.500 first colleague he has sat across from who he's treated this way.

01:34:11.180 The media should do its homework.

01:34:12.940 OK, I'm going to steal the last word on that, you guys.

01:34:16.220 This has been a great two hours.

01:34:17.640 I really, really enjoyed every conversation we had.

01:34:20.900 Thank you, Megan.

01:34:21.780 You too.

01:34:22.480 Fantastic.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 07, 2023

Disastrous Biden Poll Numbers, Don Lemon's New Meltdown, and Armie Hammer Context, with The Fifth Columns Hosts ｜ Ep. 488

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