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00:00:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:00:42.380 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.020 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.500 We have a great program for you today.

00:00:47.360 Later, we're going to speak about the latest on January 6th

00:00:51.900 and the criminal cases brought and conspicuously not brought

00:00:55.800 when Julie Kelly joins us.

00:00:58.040 She has a new book on the events of last year.

00:00:59.660 She has been following this case more closely than anyone.

00:01:03.480 But first, a border crisis is made glaringly obvious in disturbing, shocking new videos.

00:01:11.140 We'll show them to you and get into it.

00:01:13.160 Plus, what happens next at the U.S. Supreme Court?

00:01:17.180 Will Vice President Kamala Harris become Justice Harris?

00:01:22.360 Joining me now to talk about it all, plus his recent dust-up on The Dr. Phil Show,

00:01:27.180 is Matt Walsh, host of The Matt Walsh Show on The Daily Wire,

00:01:31.500 and general, you-know-what stirrer, which is one of the things we love about you, Matt.

00:01:35.860 Welcome back.

00:01:36.580 Hey, thanks for having me again.

00:01:37.360 I appreciate it.

00:01:38.360 Okay, so let's just start with, I want to get to Kamala in one second,

00:01:41.140 but can we just talk about this video that has now been released?

00:01:45.460 It's been leaked.

00:01:46.220 Okay, and it shows, it sort of shows what the Biden administration is doing

00:01:49.900 when it comes to our southern border and illegal immigrants in this country.

00:01:53.600 Two million came into the country last year under Biden's watch,

00:01:56.520 and he's breaking records month after month in terms of our southern border.

00:02:00.800 The mainstream press won't cover it.

00:02:03.080 And it came out in October, thanks to the New York Post,

00:02:07.720 that they were, the Biden administration,

00:02:09.880 putting a bunch of illegal immigrants on charter flights down from,

00:02:15.740 I think it's Texas, Fort Bliss, Texas, if I'm not mistaken,

00:02:19.300 and putting them all over the country in the dead of night,

00:02:22.780 including practically my backyard here, Westchester County Airport.

00:02:28.780 And they got caught.

00:02:30.580 And now what's happened just this week is 51 minutes of footage was obtained

00:02:36.680 under a Freedom of Information Act request by former Westchester County Executive Rob Astorino.

00:02:42.520 This is a Republican who's running for governor in 2020.

00:02:46.840 So he gets his hands on the footage.

00:02:48.540 And I just want to play it because what you're going to hear is a conversation between

00:02:52.660 Sergeant Michael Hamborski, who's expressing his frustration.

00:02:59.140 I'm quoting from a Miranda Devine piece in the Post that local police have been giving no information

00:03:03.620 about these flights arising, arriving after curfew at the airport in breach of security protocols.

00:03:08.760 And one in a federal contractor who's kind of saying, man, you know, I'm not in charge here.

00:03:15.060 I'm just doing what I was told to do.

00:03:16.380 So watch this and listen.

00:03:46.380 You know what I mean?

00:03:48.740 And why?

00:03:50.400 You know, why?

00:03:51.000 You know why.

00:03:51.720 Yeah, I know.

00:03:52.240 But why?

00:03:52.960 Why?

00:03:53.820 Yeah.

00:03:54.960 No, but what's what's the big secret?

00:03:58.100 Everybody knows it's happening.

00:03:59.220 You know why?

00:04:00.640 So if this gets out, the government is betraying the American people.

00:04:05.200 If this gets out, the government is betraying the American people, says the contractor to

00:04:12.720 the police officer on there.

00:04:14.040 They they know they know these flights were occurring nightly from August until they were

00:04:19.980 busted by the post in October.

00:04:22.380 And the guys on board are saying we don't even know the bus driver said to the I think

00:04:26.940 was the cop.

00:04:27.540 We don't even know where we're taking them.

00:04:29.300 But they have these shepherds, these chaperones.

00:04:31.960 They get on the bus and tell us when they're on with this is insane, Matt.

00:04:37.480 Yeah, I mean, it is.

00:04:38.800 It's also on one hand, I want to say it's amazing.

00:04:41.420 On the other hand, I'm not amazed at all because I know that the government, our government

00:04:46.260 has no respect for our national sovereignty at all.

00:04:49.460 And there's a certain futility that I feel when I, you know, when I when I listen to

00:04:53.280 to footage like that, because on one hand, they're caught red handed.

00:04:58.520 You have them saying on the footage that we're betraying the American people.

00:05:02.700 And but then I also know that nothing will come of it.

00:05:06.500 No one's going to be held accountable.

00:05:07.820 There's no accountability whatsoever.

00:05:09.800 This is something that they can do.

00:05:11.920 And just it's like when when virus labs, you know, leak viruses that kill five million

00:05:18.140 people and it's just, well, they did it and nothing happens.

00:05:20.440 There's no accountability and something similar here.

00:05:22.700 So there's also a kind of futility to it.

00:05:24.160 I don't know.

00:05:24.880 It's we as the American people, what are we supposed to do now with this and with this

00:05:29.200 information?

00:05:30.220 I suppose that's something to keep in mind when we get to the midterm elections.

00:05:32.880 That's one thing we can do.

00:05:33.840 But there's still there's still that kind of futility to it.

00:05:36.080 But it's it's infuriating, isn't it?

00:05:37.620 It's like Mr. Unity and transparency, who is going to have a different kind of presidency.

00:05:43.300 And here in exchange on the tape between these guys, the officer says, well, the contractor

00:05:48.960 says we're he says, we're not allowed to have our picture taken when we get on base.

00:05:54.300 The guy's sort of handling the immigrants and the cop says, un effing believable.

00:06:00.140 Who's by that?

00:06:01.120 DHS.

00:06:01.980 And the guy says, yeah.

00:06:03.000 And the U.S.

00:06:03.540 Army, you're on a federal installation, but DHS wants everything on the down low.

00:06:09.660 And then the sergeant asks another contractor, why do you come to a small airport like this

00:06:13.500 one, Westchester?

00:06:14.360 And the response is, you don't want to be somewhere the spotlight is.

00:06:17.300 You want to try and be as down low as possible.

00:06:19.980 A lot of this is just down low stuff that we don't tell people because we don't what we

00:06:24.200 don't want to do is attract attention.

00:06:25.820 We don't want the media like we don't even know where we're going when they tell us and

00:06:30.660 goes on to.

00:06:31.200 I mean, this is like they're so determined to get these illegal immigrants into American

00:06:38.460 communities with impunity.

00:06:41.160 It suggests they really are up to something nefarious, like trying to change the voter

00:06:46.940 rolls or who knows what else.

00:06:49.300 But there is absolutely zero chance any of these people is going to go back for an asylum

00:06:54.420 hearing or any other sort of protocol at the southern border which would be handling

00:06:58.860 them.

00:07:00.060 Right, right.

00:07:00.760 And it is infuriating.

00:07:01.940 I think it's important for us to still you kind of become numb to it after a while, which

00:07:05.440 I guess is what I was saying before, that you're so used to being betrayed by the government,

00:07:10.080 by the Biden administration that after a while you get kind of numb to it.

00:07:13.280 But this actually we should be outraged by this is the kind of thing that should provoke

00:07:17.280 outrage.

00:07:17.820 And is it a coincidence that, well, let's just think about it.

00:07:21.100 Let's try to connect the dots.

00:07:22.080 You have the Biden administration literally flying illegal immigrants in the dead of night,

00:07:28.700 under the cover of night and darkness into American neighborhoods.

00:07:31.560 And at the same time, they're launching this full on assault against voter ID and claiming

00:07:37.920 that it's the you know, it's the the worst assault on American democracy voter ideas in

00:07:43.360 history.

00:07:43.860 So the fact that these two things are happening at the same time, bringing in the illegal immigrants,

00:07:48.080 also coming out strong against voter ID, if you're in favor of voter ID, then you're you

00:07:53.240 know, you're as worried, you're you're as bad as the segregationists and all the rest of it.

00:07:56.620 I don't think that's that's a that's a coincidence at all.

00:07:59.700 Call me a conspiracy theorist.

00:08:00.740 And here in New York City, they're they're just pushing now so that unlawful immigrants

00:08:06.140 can vote, that they can vote in the local elections.

00:08:08.720 Great.

00:08:09.180 I mean, they're literally flying them in and then bussing them in.

00:08:12.580 I mean, they're coming into New York State and New York City is changing the rules so that

00:08:16.780 they can vote.

00:08:17.260 I mean, this is look, I I know people make fun of sort of the hard right when it comes

00:08:22.740 to its immigration conspiracy theories.

00:08:24.940 This is no conspiracy theory.

00:08:26.240 You can look at your very eyes and there's been no explanation and there's been no accountability.

00:08:31.240 And all we continue to have is more and more open borders and complaints when they continue

00:08:36.440 to lose court hearings trying to undo the Trump immigration protocols like remain in

00:08:41.520 Mexico.

00:08:41.840 Like, OK, you want you want to come in here?

00:08:43.900 You want asylum?

00:08:44.400 You can wait in this Mexico city until that's resolved.

00:08:48.100 You don't get to sit in the United States where we know you're going to roam and you're

00:08:51.180 never going to show up for your hearings and de facto become a part of this country because

00:08:56.900 nobody's going to pursue it after this point.

00:08:58.680 So the only reason remain in Mexico has been put back in place is because Biden lost in

00:09:02.820 the courts, but he wants to undo it.

00:09:04.300 He wants to undo all these things.

00:09:06.120 And that this is what people care about.

00:09:07.540 When you look at the polls, there was a recent poll saying they put the American people, but

00:09:11.300 immigration number one, number one is their most important concern.

00:09:15.600 It's always, at least in the top three, inflation, economy.

00:09:18.340 This covid's moving down and down.

00:09:20.280 Um, this is the kind of thing that can drive elections.

00:09:23.240 And I just wonder whether they're cognizant of that.

00:09:27.820 Just the politicians in them should say, yo, this isn't a good idea.

00:09:33.120 Well, they're cognizant enough to say they don't want the media to find out about it,

00:09:35.780 although even there, it's like they don't actually you don't need to worry about the

00:09:39.180 media because most of the media isn't going to talk about this anyway.

00:09:41.800 It's just only it's only it's very particular media outlets and people in the media that would

00:09:45.240 talk about it.

00:09:45.760 But it is a it's it's a conspiracy.

00:09:48.300 It is a conspiracy, but it's not a theory.

00:09:49.600 We know that it's happening.

00:09:50.360 As you point out, there is a there is an open effort to make it possible for illegal immigrants

00:09:55.560 to vote.

00:09:56.180 So it's it's really it's really simple.

00:09:57.700 It is a conspiracy, but it's very simple.

00:09:59.380 You just you bring them in and then they can vote and they're going to vote for you.

00:10:01.980 It's a really simple kind of connection.

00:10:03.760 And, you know, the American people do care about the sovereignty of their country.

00:10:08.300 Imagine that because we live here and we care about the United States continuing to

00:10:13.120 exist in any kind of discernible way, because if you open the borders and you get rid of

00:10:17.060 them, then what what even is the United States anymore?

00:10:20.640 They care about that.

00:10:21.780 And I would dare say that that most Americans care much more about the sovereignty of their

00:10:28.000 own country and the borders of their own country than the sovereignty and the borders

00:10:31.720 of countries six thousand miles away.

00:10:33.880 So I can't help but, you know, compare this to, say, all of the fretting over Ukraine and

00:10:40.300 we're being told by some people in the government that, you know, we need to be very concerned

00:10:45.280 about this and we need to help Ukrainians protect their border and all that sort of

00:10:48.400 thing.

00:10:49.000 Well, what about what about ours?

00:10:50.360 I mean, what about protecting the sovereignty of this of this country that we live in?

00:10:53.340 I think that's what most people in this country care about.

00:10:55.200 Yeah, there was actually some being considered a plan that might see as many as 50,000 American

00:11:00.620 troops go to Ukraine.

00:11:01.660 Why don't we send some to the southern border and preserve our own country's borders and

00:11:07.000 security down south?

00:11:07.840 Because there's zero interest in doing that.

00:11:10.120 You know, I heard a report recently about Australia.

00:11:11.720 It was in the wake of the Novak Djokovic thing where they kicked him out and they wouldn't

00:11:15.000 let him play in the U.S.

00:11:16.120 Open because he hadn't been vaccinated.

00:11:18.000 And he said he had a medical exemption because he'd had covid the month before.

00:11:21.920 And he was indeed granted one by one of the sort of the local communities.

00:11:24.940 But then the border patrol at the sort of more federal level when he got there said, no,

00:11:30.000 that's not going to fly.

00:11:30.740 And they they wound up kicking him out.

00:11:32.780 He didn't play in the open.

00:11:34.720 Australia's border policies.

00:11:36.880 It's ours are a joke compared to theirs.

00:11:39.640 You you try to go into Australia and they catch you and they do catch you and you go into basically

00:11:45.960 jail and you stay in jail and good luck getting out.

00:11:49.720 And the and the conditions are terrible.

00:11:51.760 And why do they do that to deter other people from trying it?

00:11:55.740 And fewer and fewer people do try it because the word gets out that even if you're Novak

00:12:00.740 Djokovic and you break their rules, they don't bend them.

00:12:05.480 You know, like they're hard liners when it comes to immigration.

00:12:08.220 And look at us.

00:12:10.460 It's really like the door is open.

00:12:12.960 They come here.

00:12:13.880 And then before you know it, we're paying for their kids education.

00:12:16.820 We're paying for the health care.

00:12:18.000 And then we're allowing them to vote.

00:12:20.240 Because why?

00:12:21.460 Why?

00:12:22.200 Politics.

00:12:22.760 That's why.

00:12:23.200 Yeah, I mean, well, look at Australia.

00:12:25.700 Look at look at Mexico's southern border.

00:12:27.160 In fact, look at almost every country on Earth, with the exception of the United States of

00:12:31.900 America and Western European countries.

00:12:35.220 Most countries have actually care about their borders and they they'll they use very stringent

00:12:42.220 methods to to enforce their borders if if they can, if they're able to.

00:12:46.100 It's not it's not a controversy.

00:12:47.600 That's that's the interesting thing.

00:12:48.660 I think if you go to most other countries on the globe, there isn't even really a discussion

00:12:54.500 about whether or not they should protect the border.

00:12:57.720 They would.

00:12:58.020 Oh, no, they're very much in favor.

00:12:59.500 Crazy.

00:12:59.980 If you would.

00:13:00.360 Right.

00:13:00.560 If you even if you even brought it up for debates, like what do you think?

00:13:04.220 Do we think we should we should protect our border?

00:13:06.700 If you brought this up for debate in China, they look at you like, what are you talking about?

00:13:09.340 Of course we do.

00:13:10.180 It's just it's only in America and some other European countries, you know, predominantly white

00:13:15.780 countries where this is where you're not allowed to to to protect your border.

00:13:20.640 And now it becomes an actual subject of debate.

00:13:22.540 It's absurd.

00:13:24.380 Well, if the Democrats have their way, we'll see four more.

00:13:27.740 And then who knows beyond that?

00:13:29.260 Years of these policies, because the White House is underscoring again, Jen Psaki yesterday,

00:13:34.560 that Joe Biden will be running for reelection and will, she said, be running with Kamala Harris

00:13:41.020 as his number two.

00:13:42.920 And this came up in the context of the announcement forced, it would appear, that Justice Breyer

00:13:48.700 is retiring from the U.S. Supreme Court.

00:13:50.860 I don't know what went down.

00:13:52.400 It didn't come from him.

00:13:53.780 It came from Pete Williams of NBC News that Breyer was going to retire at the end of this

00:13:58.300 term, which would be June.

00:14:01.560 And Shannon Bream, Bream of Fox News, reported later that he was upset.

00:14:06.640 Breyer was upset that this was handled in this way.

00:14:08.920 And it's unclear whether he was planning to do it, but he wanted to announce it himself

00:14:13.320 and they got ahead of him or whether they just released that and sort of forcing him.

00:14:18.640 Sounds like maybe he was going to retire, but wanted to handle it in his own way.

00:14:21.580 And somebody decided they wanted to change the narrative this week.

00:14:25.000 I don't know.

00:14:26.160 In any event, he's going and he's not the most liberal guy in the Supreme Court is one

00:14:30.880 of them.

00:14:32.040 And I don't think this is going to be a big shift in ideology on the court, though he's

00:14:35.740 83 and the new person will probably be in their 40s, early 50s at the latest, because

00:14:39.660 that's what they do.

00:14:40.940 But here's the interesting thing.

00:14:44.180 Kamala Harris is a black woman.

00:14:46.460 Now, I say it because Biden has promised and reiterated yesterday he's going to nominate

00:14:50.780 a black woman.

00:14:52.020 There's been speculation for months now that this would be a place to turf her, move her

00:14:57.420 over to the Supreme Court seat, get her confirmed while Democrats still control the Senate.

00:15:03.200 And that opens up the sort of VP slot under Biden for whoever could win 2024 because they

00:15:10.980 don't think the Dems can do it with Biden on the ticket or that he's he can't.

00:15:16.980 Right.

00:15:17.180 I mean, he's sort of becoming more infeeble by the day.

00:15:21.200 What do you make of it?

00:15:22.100 Yeah, well, first of all, it tells you what you need to know about the Democrats and and

00:15:27.380 and what they know is coming in in the midterm elections that they're when you when you start

00:15:32.860 seeing the older liberal justices retiring ahead of time because they know that a new

00:15:37.040 Congress is coming and it's not going to be predominantly Democrat.

00:15:40.180 It is it is interesting to me not to get into more conspiracy theories.

00:15:43.840 But, yeah, the fact that they made this announcement and and as of yesterday, he had not said a word

00:15:50.780 about it, it does it does feel a little bit like a very subtle hint.

00:15:54.580 It's like if you're if you show up to work and they're throwing a retirement party for

00:15:58.140 you and you never said you were retiring, it's maybe them kind of very in a not so subtle

00:16:02.300 way edging out the door.

00:16:04.960 So that's that's interesting.

00:16:06.680 And also this this idea of.

00:16:09.440 Yeah, he could he could nominate Kamala Harris.

00:16:12.500 I kind of think that's too smart for Joe Biden.

00:16:14.500 That would be a smart, very smart thing to do, a smart way to solve his problem, kind of

00:16:17.860 kill two birds with one stone.

00:16:19.040 And he doesn't usually do the smart thing.

00:16:20.740 So that's why I would think he probably won't do that.

00:16:22.500 But this whole idea of announcing ahead of time that you're going to select a black woman

00:16:27.500 for the role, it just first of all, if you want to nominate a black woman, then you could

00:16:35.220 just nominate a black woman.

00:16:36.540 You don't have to say ahead of time that you're going to do it.

00:16:38.080 And if you if you do it without saying it ahead of time, then you can nominate the black

00:16:41.640 woman and you can always claim whether it's true or not that you nominated her because

00:16:45.900 she was the best for the job and she earned the position.

00:16:48.680 But in this case, we know ahead of time, you've already told us that the person you

00:16:52.580 nominate what did not earn that nomination on their merits and they're not necessarily

00:16:58.060 the best for the job that you're looking first and foremost at their sex and their

00:17:02.760 skin pigmentation.

00:17:04.240 So this is there's a lot that gets to be said about it.

00:17:07.160 But the first thing is that this is actually very degrading and dehumanizing to whoever

00:17:12.280 selected. Now, whoever selected, they might not be self-aware enough to realize that they've

00:17:16.900 been degraded and dehumanized.

00:17:18.200 But but you you you have been of course, whoever gets there, whoever's sitting there with these

00:17:25.320 other justices is going they're going to know that this person was effectively an affirmative

00:17:30.320 action pick, that this person is there in large part because of her gender and her skin

00:17:36.040 color. And even if she actually is the best person of the job, she'll always have questions

00:17:41.120 about her intellectual gravitas because Biden's done it this way.

00:17:45.820 I mean, to be to be honest, Trump did it, too, because he said he was going to nominate

00:17:51.520 a woman. Now, I will say, in his case, it was more defensible because a woman had just

00:17:55.980 died. You know, it was Ruth Bader Ginsburg had died.

00:17:58.380 And so people were like, oh, no, you know, the gender balance on the court.

00:18:01.400 But still, even in that case, he shouldn't have done it.

00:18:03.760 You know, just just nominate, like you said, just nominate the person.

00:18:07.080 And you don't have to say that.

00:18:08.180 I will say as an addendum, though, Matt, even if they didn't say it, we'd know it was

00:18:12.320 true or we'd suspect it was true in today's day and age because we're so obsessed with

00:18:16.840 identity politics.

00:18:18.040 So it kind of undermines anybody who happens to be in one of those groups who winds up

00:18:22.440 getting nominated for one of these big positions.

00:18:25.180 Right. We wouldn't know it.

00:18:26.200 But at least at least there's plausible deniability on his side.

00:18:28.980 You can at least say, oh, that's that's ridiculous.

00:18:30.920 And, you know, turn it back around on us.

00:18:32.820 Oh, you're racist for even assuming that.

00:18:34.860 But in this case, you've told us ahead of time and I agree with you what Trump did.

00:18:38.500 You could argue it's a little bit more defensible, but still, it's actually not defensible.

00:18:41.560 I don't think anyone should be doing it on the left or the right, especially on the right.

00:18:44.020 You shouldn't be engaging in this kind of identity politics game because who exactly are you trying

00:18:48.100 to appeal to doing that way?

00:18:49.280 You're not going to appease the left and the right doesn't need this and doesn't want it.

00:18:52.300 So there's no reason to do it.

00:18:53.280 But it just is it's it's degrading.

00:18:56.660 But it's also we also have to mention that the real sort of victims of any kind of policy

00:19:03.580 like this are the people that you're excluding.

00:19:06.040 So this is this is actually anti-white racism, because what the Biden administration is actually

00:19:11.280 saying, they can phrase it however they want.

00:19:13.560 But what they're really saying is we don't want a white male.

00:19:17.260 I mean, it was Kamala Harris.

00:19:18.240 There was a clip of her a couple of days ago.

00:19:20.240 Kamala Harris talking about she was listing.

00:19:21.920 I don't I don't even know the context.

00:19:23.140 It doesn't matter.

00:19:23.520 But she was listing all of the most vulnerable groups in America.

00:19:27.460 Oh, I think we have this.

00:19:29.300 But we have it.

00:19:29.880 OK, wait, let me.

00:19:31.080 I'll play it.

00:19:32.320 So I know where you're going.

00:19:33.820 So I'll play it.

00:19:34.660 And then you can tell us who yours.

00:19:36.160 I saw your response on Twitter.

00:19:37.220 It was great.

00:19:37.640 Here it is.

00:19:38.020 Play it.

00:19:38.380 Sound by four.

00:19:40.540 We are focused on the most vulnerable.

00:19:44.080 And based on my experience, the most vulnerable are women and girls, racial and ethnic minorities,

00:19:50.620 LGBTQI plus people, indigenous people, people with disabilities, migrants and children in

00:20:01.020 the foster care system.

00:20:03.380 People who are left handed.

00:20:05.740 People whose last name starts with an O.

00:20:08.260 People.

00:20:09.580 Go ahead, Matt.

00:20:11.500 Well, she didn't mention pansexuals there.

00:20:14.060 So I thought that was quite offensive for them to be erased and invalidated that way.

00:20:17.820 But yeah, so basically it's everyone, right?

00:20:20.520 She lists every group except white males.

00:20:23.640 And so you could really condense this and make it a lot shorter and get to the point

00:20:27.520 quicker by simply saying everyone but white males are who we like and they're the most

00:20:32.160 honorable.

00:20:33.500 And yet really the reverse is true because white males, that's that's the one group in

00:20:38.700 America that you're allowed to openly discriminate against in a sort of unofficial capacity,

00:20:44.520 but also legally you're allowed to openly discriminate against them.

00:20:47.780 And I guess when we talk legally, also Asians, we would throw in there, you're allowed to legally

00:20:50.980 discriminate against them with affirmative action.

00:20:52.920 So they're one of very few groups that you're allowed to openly discriminate against.

00:20:57.800 And last time I checked also, by the way, I'm pretty sure I'm not a lawyer myself, but

00:21:02.840 I'm pretty sure it's not legal for a government official to declare ahead of time that certain

00:21:08.720 races are excluded from a certain position in government.

00:21:12.280 But it's not legal to do that in the private sector either, but especially not in government.

00:21:16.660 But it doesn't matter.

00:21:17.820 They can do it.

00:21:18.640 And of course, it's like this obsession, right, with with certain races and with women there.

00:21:26.040 I'm trying.

00:21:26.760 I don't want to, like, misspeak because I haven't totally investigated the the ethnicity of every

00:21:32.140 Supreme Court justice.

00:21:32.920 But I don't think we've had an Asian justice.

00:21:35.140 Um, I don't think we've had an an Indian justice.

00:21:41.000 Um, so why?

00:21:42.800 What about that?

00:21:43.340 We've had black justices.

00:21:44.580 We have female justices.

00:21:46.020 What like?

00:21:46.860 Why are we obsessed with a black woman?

00:21:48.500 Right.

00:21:49.020 Like what?

00:21:49.480 What is it?

00:21:50.000 Right.

00:21:50.200 It's a pander.

00:21:51.060 It's a pander to voting blocs that he needs to shore up because his support amongst black

00:21:56.820 voters has fallen by about 20 points, according to the latest Quinnipiac poll.

00:22:01.580 Right.

00:22:03.020 That's exactly what they mean.

00:22:03.960 When you when you hear it's it's it's time for a black woman on the Supreme Court.

00:22:07.740 Ayanna Pressley tweeted something.

00:22:08.960 It's it's time for a black woman or it's a black woman's turn.

00:22:12.360 Yeah.

00:22:12.760 You think, well, what does that even mean?

00:22:14.580 Is there some sort of waiting list ranked by identity?

00:22:18.520 No, it's a black woman's turn.

00:22:19.760 Next, we're going to have a Pacific Islander.

00:22:21.440 And no, what it really what they really mean by that is exactly what you said, that this

00:22:25.140 is.

00:22:25.660 Well, yeah, we haven't had a as far as I know, we haven't had a Pacific Islander Supreme

00:22:29.220 Court justice, but that's not a voting bloc.

00:22:32.000 That's the Democrats are very worried about.

00:22:34.260 Right.

00:22:34.820 Whereas with whereas with black voters, they are.

00:22:37.320 And there's a lot of reasons for that.

00:22:39.260 One of them is that, you know, in a lot of predominantly black communities, you look at

00:22:44.100 what you look at what's what's happening when you go to almost any city, especially Democrat

00:22:47.420 run city in America.

00:22:48.740 And they're these communities are collapsing, plagued by crime and and all of that.

00:22:53.680 And people in these communities are looking and they say, well, look, it just it just so

00:22:57.740 happens.

00:22:58.040 What a coincidence that Democrats are always running the show.

00:23:00.480 And so what what can they do?

00:23:03.980 They're going to the identity politics and pandering.

00:23:06.160 Well, and speaking of identity politics, apparently the squad is busy putting together a list

00:23:11.840 of nominees.

00:23:12.560 They want to see him choose.

00:23:13.900 OK, I mean, I will say Justice Breyer, he is a liberal, but he's a more moderate liberal

00:23:19.340 and they want to get a wokester on the U.S. Supreme Court who will throw out justice and

00:23:23.980 be more focused on social justice.

00:23:26.060 And that is something to be alarmed about.

00:23:28.020 I mean, that is something that the Republicans on the Senate committee and in the Senate writ

00:23:32.640 large are going to have to pay attention to.

00:23:34.220 I'm going to tell you one other thing that I'll squeeze in a break.

00:23:36.940 I I wanted to know this morning if they do do the Kamala Harris turf thing, what happens

00:23:42.200 if it's a 50 50 vote in the Senate?

00:23:44.320 Because she casts the deciding vote right now as the vice president when there's a split.

00:23:47.740 You know, we got 50 Dems, 50 Republicans.

00:23:50.260 So if she's the nominee and they they go 50 50 on her and the Republicans could fight,

00:23:56.120 they could fight that if they if they want to keep her in the vice presidential role because

00:23:59.680 they think it'll help with 2024, they could say no to her.

00:24:04.860 What would happen?

00:24:05.860 Would she still get to cast the deciding vote for herself and did some looking online today

00:24:12.200 and some of the best legal minds in the country are saying, I think she can do it.

00:24:17.100 I actually think there's not there's no prohibition against the sitting vice president

00:24:21.740 voting for herself to get on the Supreme Court.

00:24:25.320 And this has never happened before.

00:24:26.900 But so far, the people I respect online legal minds are saying there could be a scenario in

00:24:32.480 which Vice President Kamala Harris cast the deciding vote that transforms her into Supreme

00:24:39.260 Court Justice Kamala Harris.

00:24:40.820 And then whoever Biden would want to be vice president would have to be confirmed by the

00:24:45.900 House and the Senate.

00:24:48.040 And so we'd have to do it all chippy quick while they were still in control of those bodies.

00:24:52.900 It's so confusing, but it's it could be make for an amazing year of politics.

00:24:56.780 Matt Walsh.

00:24:57.560 Stand by more with Matt, including.

00:25:00.400 Did you see his appearance on Dr.

00:25:01.720 Phil?

00:25:02.120 He is a blank stirrer and took a lot of fallout in the aftermath.

00:25:06.540 But he's used to that.

00:25:07.400 We'll show it to you.

00:25:08.040 Don't go away.

00:25:08.540 Matt, one of the things that you are known for is you believe that gender is not a social

00:25:22.020 construct.

00:25:22.460 You believe in biological sex and you're not really willing to do the whole pronoun thing

00:25:28.120 as dictated to you by the woke crowd that says, you know, you sort of have to speak about

00:25:32.980 transgender people and issues in the way they want.

00:25:35.840 So you got asked to go on the Dr.

00:25:38.380 Phil show for sort of a fair and balanced debate discussion of this.

00:25:43.040 He had on two people who call themselves non-binary.

00:25:47.360 One is apparently a biological woman who appears as a man and one is a biological man who appears

00:25:52.340 as a woman.

00:25:53.000 That's my own take on what I saw.

00:25:55.820 And you had a back and forth with them about these issues.

00:26:00.120 We have a little bit of a clip.

00:26:01.360 Here's soundbite one.

00:26:02.120 Can you tell me what a woman is?

00:26:05.340 No, I can't because it's not for me to say.

00:26:09.260 Womanhood looks different for everybody.

00:26:11.240 What do you define a woman as?

00:26:12.960 An adult human female.

00:26:14.500 And what does a female mean?

00:26:16.800 How do you define a female?

00:26:17.900 Someone with female reproductive organs.

00:26:20.320 I have answered the question.

00:26:22.340 You stood up here and said trans women are women.

00:26:24.980 Yes.

00:26:25.320 Tell me what you mean.

00:26:26.440 What is a woman?

00:26:27.140 Womanhood is something that, just as Ethan explained, I cannot define because I am not myself.

00:26:31.220 Use the word.

00:26:31.860 So what did you mean when you said trans women are women if you don't know what it means?

00:26:34.540 Right.

00:26:35.020 So here's the thing.

00:26:36.020 So I do not define what a woman is because I do not identify as a woman.

00:26:40.300 Womanhood is something that is an umbrella term.

00:26:43.240 It includes people who...

00:26:44.380 That describes what?

00:26:46.480 People who identify as a woman.

00:26:49.420 Identify as what?

00:26:50.800 As a woman.

00:26:51.700 What is that?

00:26:52.900 What's to each their own.

00:26:54.280 Each woman, each man, each person is going to have a different relation with their own gender

00:26:58.640 identity and define it differently.

00:26:59.900 And so trans women are women too.

00:27:03.220 Okay.

00:27:04.560 And you want to...

00:27:05.500 Hold on.

00:27:05.820 Hold on.

00:27:06.120 You want to reduce...

00:27:07.380 You won't even tell me what the word means though.

00:27:09.720 So that's the problem.

00:27:09.840 You want to reduce women.

00:27:10.780 You want to reduce men down to maybe just their genetics, our genitals, our chromosomes,

00:27:15.220 right?

00:27:15.420 That's what you're saying.

00:27:16.020 What you want to do is appropriate women.

00:27:19.540 You want to appropriate womanhood and turn it into basically a costume that could be worn.

00:27:25.300 So fascinating.

00:27:26.220 So that was Addison.

00:27:29.160 The other person was Ethan.

00:27:31.440 Addison, as I understand it, is a biological male who now goes by they and doesn't choose

00:27:38.960 a gender.

00:27:39.920 And then Ethan is a biological female who presents more like a male but goes by they.

00:27:45.220 So forgive me.

00:27:46.000 I don't totally...

00:27:46.880 I didn't get it.

00:27:47.800 I'm sure I didn't get it perfectly right.

00:27:49.020 But they are now saying that they were traumatized by that exchange with you and that they were

00:27:54.820 set up by the Dr. Phil show.

00:27:56.480 They're angry that they were sort of triggered and that they thought it was going to be a

00:28:00.700 different kind of exchange.

00:28:02.140 I thought it was actually very respectful back and forth.

00:28:04.200 You have your positions.

00:28:05.040 They have theirs.

00:28:06.160 Fine.

00:28:06.980 This is the kind of discussion and debate that's going on in America.

00:28:11.680 What do you make of the blowback that you've gotten?

00:28:14.540 And do you think it's fair to say that they were set up?

00:28:19.220 Oh, absolutely not.

00:28:20.320 I mean, that's completely absurd.

00:28:21.640 It's...

00:28:22.240 They also said that they had nightmares because of that exchange and they're spiraling into

00:28:27.260 depression and all this kind of stuff.

00:28:28.960 What I can tell you is that, you know, going...

00:28:31.160 This is my first time appearing on any show like Dr. Phil before.

00:28:34.580 And I didn't know exactly what to expect walking into it.

00:28:38.760 But we all had the exact same information going in, which is just kind of like a rough outline

00:28:43.960 of what the show will probably be like and just kind of who...

00:28:48.220 Basic information about each person that's going to be on the panel.

00:28:51.040 They had that information too.

00:28:53.120 And then I...

00:28:54.240 So I walked into it knowing that I was going to be outnumbered for at least a good portion

00:28:58.300 of the show on the stage.

00:28:59.560 And I was.

00:28:59.960 I came out.

00:29:01.000 By the way, those two...

00:29:02.140 The two, quote unquote, non-binary people, they had one whole segment to themselves before

00:29:08.640 I even took the stage.

00:29:09.780 I was pacing around backstage, listening to them drone on nonsensically for like 12 minutes

00:29:15.840 before I even got out there.

00:29:17.960 And then I came out and it was me versus the two of them.

00:29:20.980 And then they brought a woke professor in who's a communications professor, but somehow

00:29:24.720 she's their gender expert.

00:29:25.760 They brought her in.

00:29:26.500 And so it's three against one.

00:29:27.880 And I had the entire audience that was against me, which may seem like that doesn't matter.

00:29:32.480 But actually optically, like that's a challenge.

00:29:34.660 Because as we saw in the clip there, you heard in the clip, if someone says something and it's

00:29:40.260 totally inane and ridiculous, but they get applause in the crowd, it makes it sound like

00:29:44.240 they're right.

00:29:44.800 And so that's another hurdle you have to get over in a debate.

00:29:48.640 And so it's amazing to me that in spite of all of that, they are the ones who go home

00:29:53.560 claiming that they were set up and that they were bullied when it was like 70 against

00:29:58.140 one.

00:29:59.460 It's completely ridiculous.

00:30:00.620 But when they say that it's not what they expected, here's what they mean by that.

00:30:05.400 They knew that someone like me would be out there.

00:30:08.640 I don't know if they knew it was me.

00:30:09.620 And they might have known it was me.

00:30:10.440 They just didn't know who I was.

00:30:13.460 So they knew that there'd be someone supposedly on the other side.

00:30:17.000 And they've probably had discussions like this in the past with somebody, quote unquote,

00:30:20.200 on the other side.

00:30:22.120 But what they're used to and what they expect is that they're not actually going to be challenged.

00:30:27.200 They're used to being cuddled.

00:30:29.060 Right.

00:30:29.280 They thought I'd have a few basic talking points and that I wouldn't really challenge

00:30:34.020 them.

00:30:34.560 And what you know about most of the people that espouse gender ideology in general is

00:30:37.820 that they just simply have never actually been challenged on any of this stuff.

00:30:41.940 And all you have to do is pull one little thread and the entire thing comes unraveled.

00:30:47.300 All you have to do is you listen to all the stuff you heard there.

00:30:50.760 All you have to do is ask, like, what do you even mean by what you're saying?

00:30:54.460 And that is enough to make not only make their argument fall apart, but they'll spiral

00:30:58.700 into depression.

00:30:59.960 So it's really quite amazing.

00:31:01.440 But it was interesting where they where they took it.

00:31:03.940 Right.

00:31:04.080 Like a woman is whatever, whatever any individual wants to say it is.

00:31:07.700 And this is one of the frustrations of this whole thing.

00:31:10.180 You know, it's like, I think a trans woman is a trans woman.

00:31:14.240 I don't think a trans woman is a woman.

00:31:15.900 A woman is something else.

00:31:18.180 A woman is somebody who is born with certain gamites.

00:31:21.460 This is how it was explained to me by Deborah So and so on.

00:31:24.300 Like, it is determinable.

00:31:25.420 And there's a clip of you as well talking about that, how it's in your DNA.

00:31:28.620 And you can tell from a, you know, a skeleton that's 2000 years old what what its gender

00:31:34.080 was.

00:31:35.400 But it's also just growing up as a woman, having the experiences of a woman and, you

00:31:39.360 know, all the stuff that comes with the first of being a woman and so on.

00:31:42.740 And I don't I'm not in the same place as you are.

00:31:45.220 I will absolutely use somebody's preferred pronouns.

00:31:48.360 It doesn't bother me.

00:31:49.200 I don't want my kid being asked for his pronouns, though.

00:31:51.340 You know, I don't want to be asked for my pronouns.

00:31:53.200 Um, so I don't mind referring to them as whatever she he whatever it is, but that doesn't I

00:32:02.280 don't have to give up what a woman is, which is special to me and to most women in order

00:32:07.980 to be inclusive of and respectful toward them.

00:32:12.100 Yeah, you shouldn't have to give it up.

00:32:13.400 I mean, you're that's that's that's who you are to be asked to give up the definition

00:32:17.920 of who you are as a person is that's much more than a bridge too far.

00:32:22.200 You know, the other thing that they said there when they're dancing around it is and

00:32:25.520 I've heard this before, this response of, well, I can't define it because I'm not a

00:32:30.220 woman.

00:32:31.340 Well, first of all, how do you know you're not one if you don't know what it is?

00:32:34.500 Second, I mean, you're not a table, but you can probably tell me what a table is.

00:32:37.880 You can probably tell me what an apple and a bird are.

00:32:41.160 I mean, you can tell me about a lot of what a lot of things are, even though you're not

00:32:43.380 those things.

00:32:43.980 So, again, just that doesn't make any sense at all.

00:32:48.060 And but they people like this, they walk around their whole lives.

00:32:51.640 And say things that make no sense.

00:32:53.140 And no one ever calls them on it.

00:32:55.120 And that's what's so frustrating for me.

00:32:56.600 And when it comes to the pronoun thing, by the way, you know, most of the time, it really

00:33:01.180 should be kind of a non-issue, because when you're talking to someone directly, you're

00:33:04.740 not using their pronouns.

00:33:05.760 You're using their name or you're just you're not using anything.

00:33:08.260 You're just speaking to them.

00:33:09.240 Right.

00:33:09.720 The pronouns only come up when you're most of the time when they're not in the room with

00:33:14.560 you and you're referring to them.

00:33:17.020 And this idea that someone can tell you how to refer to them when they're not even in

00:33:23.340 the room is is narcissistic in the extreme.

00:33:27.960 I use an example on Dr.

00:33:28.900 Phil about it's like if I assigned you preferred adjectives and you can only use those adjectives

00:33:33.780 to describe me when you're talking about me.

00:33:35.780 That's that's not up for me to decide, because when someone uses an adjective about me, it's

00:33:39.960 about their perception of who I am.

00:33:41.860 And that's what they're trying to convey, but not trying to convey what I think I am.

00:33:44.960 OK, but let me ask you.

00:33:45.760 Let me ask you about that.

00:33:46.540 So, I mean, there is a scenario in which you use somebody's pronouns.

00:33:48.880 Like I'm sitting here with Abby, you know, I could say, well, Abby, you know, she's a

00:33:52.540 mother of two, right?

00:33:53.340 Like she's she's here.

00:33:54.600 She's hearing me use the pronoun.

00:33:57.000 So, yes, of course, there would be a scenario in which you say it and they're there.

00:34:01.500 But what does it because I get this back from my own viewers all the time.

00:34:05.020 And they say, like, you don't you don't have to play that game.

00:34:07.120 You know, don't that's a biological man.

00:34:08.980 You know, you just call him a man if it's somebody who's a trans woman.

00:34:12.380 And I just don't agree with that.

00:34:14.340 I feel like, you know, life is short.

00:34:16.440 Be more loving.

00:34:17.340 They this is how they want to be referred to.

00:34:20.500 It doesn't hurt me.

00:34:22.200 I don't think it really hurts anybody to go with that.

00:34:24.000 I understand it's not it doesn't make them an actual biological woman to call.

00:34:28.580 Like, I just feel like to be loving and kind.

00:34:31.760 Why wouldn't I do that?

00:34:33.080 What's the answer to that?

00:34:33.940 Well, the answer is the first and most basic answer is that it's just not it's just not true.

00:34:40.980 And they're trying to impose on you something that is not true.

00:34:46.020 And they are they're trying to force you, compel you through emotional blackmail and sometimes through other means as well to participate in in untruth.

00:34:56.200 You know, and and maybe if this was happening in a very isolated way, you know, it's just one person that that is confused and they try to tell you that they're trying to get you to play along.

00:35:08.140 And and so you do.

00:35:09.440 And maybe in that isolated scenario, you could argue that it doesn't really hurt anything.

00:35:14.680 I still wouldn't do it personally, but you could argue.

00:35:17.040 But we're not in an isolated scenario.

00:35:19.140 I mean, this is part of an overall campaign to change language, to change how reality is perceived.

00:35:27.380 I mean, you can't separate the pronoun question from that overall bigger issue of are we going to retain, you know, a semblance of truth and reality in our culture or not?

00:35:39.200 And and the the manipulation of language is a big part of that.

00:35:42.780 So I don't think you could separate it.

00:35:44.440 Let me stay on my devil's advocate lane here.

00:35:47.000 So, right, because I know you debate this stuff all the time.

00:35:49.140 So and I don't really give that much thought to it.

00:35:51.820 But what how is it different from let's say I dye my hair black tomorrow and I want you and you're referring to me.

00:35:59.920 You're if you're going to talk about me, you're going to say she's got black hair from this point forward.

00:36:04.760 You're going to because it will be black, but it's not naturally black.

00:36:08.040 And, you know, it's not actually black.

00:36:10.120 It's been dyed.

00:36:10.760 So, like, how is it different from that?

00:36:13.160 Like, you know what the truth is, you know what it actually is, but I've changed it.

00:36:18.000 And now you're just going to go with that.

00:36:20.700 Well, first of all, I think hair color doesn't get down to a person's identity in nearly the same kind of way.

00:36:24.580 But also, if you dye your hair black, then even if you dyed it, it's it is a factual statement to say your hair is black.

00:36:30.740 But I mean, we don't usually when you're referring to someone's hair color, you're not getting into the all the particulars and how it ended up that color.

00:36:37.400 Or it's just like that. You haven't spent enough time in circles of women because, yes, we do that all the time.

00:36:42.220 And then I'll step back because I'm not a woman myself.

00:36:45.160 Right. So because I know what that word means.

00:36:46.660 But but it is still a factual statement.

00:36:49.480 Right. To say if someone dyes their hair black, like it is factually true that right now their hair is black.

00:36:54.380 Whereas if someone says, call me a woman and they're not, it's just not factually true.

00:37:00.140 I think the better the better analogy here for using hair color would be if someone if someone had blonde actually had blonde hair and didn't dye it, but demanded that when you refer to their hair, you call it black.

00:37:09.640 Now, you might, again, in an isolated environment, maybe just to kind of just to satiate this weird person, you might do it.

00:37:16.820 But I still wouldn't because I would say, what do you know, it's not black.

00:37:20.980 And who are you to demand that I just say something that's not true?

00:37:24.660 Well, you know, their responses, their response, what she said to you or what they said to you on the on the show is that it basically comes down to this.

00:37:31.700 Sex is what's between your legs and gender is what you think between your ears.

00:37:35.580 It's what you how you perceive of yourself. And so whenever discussing someone's gender, what they think about where they fall on the spectrum is the only thing that matters.

00:37:49.860 Well, there are a couple of problems that first of all, they they draw this distinction between sex and gender, which is an entirely invented art, artificial, incoherent distinction that was, you know, for most of human history, we just we talked about males and females, men and women.

00:38:02.500 And it was the exact same thing. And then, you know, the 1950s and 60s, guys like John Money, who came along and said, oh, you know what?

00:38:08.060 Actually, humans have a gender also. When before that language words had gender, there's masculine and feminine words.

00:38:15.020 And then people have a sex. And so got someone like John Money said, oh, no, people have both a sex and a gender.

00:38:20.900 And it never never was quite clear, like what exactly the distinction is supposed to accomplish.

00:38:25.140 But then they made this distinction, but then they have also collapsed the distinction.

00:38:29.300 They're the ones who conflated. In fact, in that same episode, the Dr. Phillips, they brought a woman on who's raising a genderless baby, quote unquote, because the baby can choose right and choose their own gender.

00:38:38.640 But she said that, oh, on on the baby's birth certificate, there's an X there. Right.

00:38:43.300 It doesn't list male or female so he can choose it. Well, hold on a second.

00:38:46.340 But the birth certificate lists sex, not gender. So I thought you just said they're two different things.

00:38:50.520 So this is the game that they can play. It's a sleight of hand where they can kind of they can change it no matter just whatever they need.

00:38:57.180 Well, and also to take it one step further, you know, you'll have trans people.

00:39:01.500 I've had trans people on the show who try to correct me and saying, like, you were born you're you're born a male.

00:39:06.580 You're a biological male who identifies now as female. And I got corrected on even that.

00:39:11.540 You can't even say biological male or born a male because they're like, that's not true.

00:39:16.360 You know, I was actually a female even in the womb.

00:39:19.000 It's just my genitals didn't reflect it. And my gametes and my chromosomes didn't reflect it.

00:39:23.700 And it wasn't until I sort of came into my own that I could tell the world I was actually a woman and that and I was always a woman.

00:39:29.080 And there's nothing about me that's not a woman. It's like, well, now you really are asking me to play make believe.

00:39:34.940 Right. Exactly. And that's and that's that's what I'm talking about.

00:39:36.660 They conflate the two. They say sex and gender are different. But then they say trans women are women.

00:39:39.880 Well, hold on a second. But but now now you're complete. You're saying that they're you're saying that a trans woman because because that person identifies as a woman is exactly the same as you, Megan, or, you know, a biological woman.

00:39:51.440 So you're conflating it. But also, even on this notion of gender is about their self-perception.

00:39:55.800 Once again, that's your self-perception. That's not my project. It's not my it's not society's project to affirm you in your self-perception.

00:40:05.080 That's that might be how you see yourself and how you see reality. But that's not how I see it.

00:40:10.980 And so this idea that I have to now affirm that your self-perception is something that I have to validate.

00:40:17.560 It's it's it's up to me to do it. I just absolutely reject that.

00:40:21.100 And I would also say one other thing about this pronoun thing, because you might, you know, and I've heard this from plenty of people just want to be polite and say, well, I'll just use the pronouns.

00:40:28.240 OK, well, now these days we're in a brave new world and things are changing very fast.

00:40:31.760 Because now they have things like neo pronouns. And they talked about that in the Dr. Phil episode, too, before I was up there.

00:40:36.580 No, I'm not doing it. Right. Z, Zer, Zem. Well, that's it. Someone says I identify as a Zem.

00:40:43.360 You know, what does that mean? It doesn't mean anything. There's tree gender. There's tree gender. There's moon gender.

00:40:48.140 You only know your gender when the moon comes out. So that with that person, we're just going to be like over there.

00:40:53.080 That one. Well, I'll let you know it like midnight. No, it's absurd.

00:40:57.260 Now you really do. And I'm like that. It is it is morphing past the point of absurdity.

00:41:02.680 And I don't it's like I want to be loving and I want to be accommodating.

00:41:06.380 I don't want to be unnecessarily provocative or divisive.

00:41:09.140 But I also want reality to be acknowledged.

00:41:11.820 You know, there is biological sex and some of us don't believe gender is a social construct.

00:41:15.980 And if you want to live your life as the opposite sex and be referred to by certain pronouns like the ones that we all know, I'm cool with that.

00:41:23.800 But even I've got my limits. I don't know, Matt.

00:41:26.540 It all this sort of shows the sticky wicket that this issue is and the morass in which we find ourselves when something that we thought was settled just suddenly in the course of a couple of years becomes completely unsettled.

00:41:38.220 And actually, they've flipped it so much now that even saying something like like you, you were saying you said, what was the tweet you sent out where you got?

00:41:46.340 I think they took your tweet down. It was like the best female swimmer in America is a man.

00:41:53.180 The top public health official in the Biden administration, a female is a man or something like that.

00:42:00.780 And it got taken down because you're referring to the biological sex.

00:42:03.840 But even to say that, you know, taken down. So we're on we're on shaky ground.

00:42:10.440 Yes, it was hate speech, I was told. And and then how do they define hate speech?

00:42:14.460 It's if if you say something that harasses or threatens somebody else.

00:42:18.360 Well, hold a second. By saying, of course, it's not a threat. And how is it even harassment?

00:42:23.200 I didn't I didn't I wasn't speaking directly to the people. I didn't even say their names.

00:42:27.660 I just referred to them. And that somehow qualifies as harassment.

00:42:30.940 And that's that's really that's kind of what's at stake here, because we go along with it for a little bit.

00:42:36.300 And then they just keep going and, you know, give them an inch to take a mile kind of thing.

00:42:39.820 And I kind of resent it because what they're doing is they're exploiting.

00:42:44.240 You know, most people are they don't like confrontation. That's just that's just most people.

00:42:48.000 And most people want to be polite. And and that's in a vacuum.

00:42:52.280 That's those that's it's good to kind of be that way. And I realize I kind of had to have an advantage because I like confrontation and I don't care what anyone thinks.

00:42:59.440 So and you're just stir. Right. So it's like that comes in handy here.

00:43:03.620 But normally it's good to be a polite person. And so they're kind of exploiting that.

00:43:06.760 And they're they're so if you want to be polite, then just go along with it.

00:43:09.240 But and then you do and then you go a little bit and then they say, OK, well, you still want to be polite. Right.

00:43:14.380 Well, OK, now you got to go a little bit further, a little bit further.

00:43:16.940 And before and long, you've just you've plunged off the edge of the cliff into total incoherence and insanity.

00:43:22.700 And that's kind of where we are now. Some of these some of these demands butt up right against one's deeply held religious beliefs or one's deeply held scientific beliefs.

00:43:32.680 And you can't just tell that person, well, you must abandon those.

00:43:36.620 Otherwise, it's hateful. And you're off YouTube or you're off Twitter or you're out of polite society.

00:43:42.100 The whole world was in this other camp up until a couple of years ago.

00:43:46.700 So it's it's really it's it's not OK what they're doing. And I don't even see it necessarily as the gay marriage issue where I felt like I was in support of gay marriage before it was legal.

00:43:56.240 And I thought I said to my gay friends, people will come along. They will just give society time. It's going to come along.

00:44:02.020 I don't know about this one. I just I'm not sure that I'm not sure that I don't see us getting to a place where we're talking about people's moon gender like it's a normal thing.

00:44:10.380 Those people are glommers anyway. I don't believe they have gender dysphoria. They're glomming on. They just want to sound special.

00:44:16.700 So, Matt, Biden just came out with Justice Breyer and made it official. Justice Breyer is going to retire.

00:44:30.820 President Biden says he will shoot for the end of February before the end of February to name a to nominate a replacement.

00:44:38.700 He doesn't get to just appoint. He has to nominate and they have to be confirmed by the Senate.

00:44:42.200 It used to be that they would require over 60 votes. And now that's been well, it was always a majority vote on the final vote.

00:44:49.700 But, you know, the filibuster has been removed at the U.S. Supreme Court on all other judges as well.

00:44:55.140 So Biden's 79 now and Breyer's retiring because he's 83.

00:45:00.300 And Nancy Pelosi, one of our other big leaders, is 81.

00:45:03.380 So they're getting they're getting kind of long in the truth, Matt, to be running the country, but they're doing it.

00:45:06.680 And Nancy Pelosi, who had promised she was going to retire after this term, has apparently done a 180.

00:45:11.760 And you know why? It's for the children. Listen.

00:45:16.580 When people ask me what are the three most important issues facing the Congress, I always say the same thing.

00:45:23.540 Our children, our children, our children.

00:45:26.380 That is my why. Why I am in Congress. For the children.

00:45:30.420 This is my story. And this is my song.

00:45:33.740 As you hear me say, when you're in the arena, you have to be able to take a punch or throw a punch for the children.

00:45:43.540 Oh, my God. It's a miracle. She's been elected as many times as she has.

00:45:48.220 How cringy is that?

00:45:51.160 It's a miracle. It's also another way of looking at it is it's a terrible indictment on at least her voters that keep putting her in office.

00:45:57.300 I would like for her to it tells you something that she can't she can say for the children because she realizes that, generally speaking, as a politician, you're supposed to pretend to care about kids.

00:46:06.780 But she can't say anything more than that because she doesn't know.

00:46:10.040 It's like, well, what what about children are you concerned about or what are the great threats facing children?

00:46:14.480 Can you talk a little bit more about because I actually I I really do believe that that our our most solemn responsibility in any civilization is to protect your children.

00:46:24.760 Right. But she can't talk more about it because all of the things that really threaten children, beginning in the womb and going up from there are all things that she supports, including, by the way, you know,

00:46:35.840 I just saw a report. So local, I think it was an ABC affiliate, did a report about all the speech delays that children are suffering right now.

00:46:43.600 I mean, an exponential surge in speech delays because the kids are being forced to wear masks, which is something that Nancy Pelosi and pretty much the entire Democrat Party supports, you know, the psychological damage that's being done to kids and more than psychological damage.

00:46:58.620 I mean, it's like the ability to speak, I would think, is pretty important.

00:47:02.980 And that's one of the things that we traded in favor of making them wear masks for no real good.

00:47:09.020 Not to mention the crime in her home district, which is out of control, thanks to their soft on crime, D.A., who she supports.

00:47:16.180 We'll stand by there. We'll do a quick break and much more with Matt Walsh ahead.

00:47:19.780 So speaking of some of the COVID insanity and Nancy Pelosi, again, running for reelection, even though she's 81 and said she wouldn't, the tide seems to me like it's starting to turn on the COVID insanity, Matt.

00:47:37.260 I do think more and more people are joining the fight that people like you, that people like yours truly have been in for a while now trying to get these ridiculous restrictions lifted, in particular off of our children.

00:47:47.680 I know you've got four kids and I've got three. And, you know, it came out this week because Barry Weiss went on Bill Maher.

00:47:55.440 Those are two liberals. They were both sort of done with COVID, according to their discussion.

00:48:00.100 And then the ladies of The View took aim at them, saying that was selfish and, you know, how dare they?

00:48:06.540 And I think this gal, Sarah Haynes, is supposed to be the conservative on The View.

00:48:11.820 And this was her message for America, which I had real problems with.

00:48:17.940 And I know you did, too. And I want to talk about why. Listen to Sarah Haynes.

00:48:20.580 The post-mask part, because I think there's a prudence we've learned with the mask, kind of like 9-11 with flying, is always going to be here now.

00:48:27.620 There's a new normal. I think some of the things we've learned in this pandemic are going to stay the same.

00:48:32.080 I may never ride a subway again without a mask.

00:48:33.940 I may never go indoors to big crowds and ever feel comfortable without a mask.

00:48:37.720 And that's up to me to do that.

00:48:39.640 What do you make of that?

00:48:40.840 Well, I just love how, first of all, these people, they always use the word we, talking about, oh, you know, we, this is what we're all going to do.

00:48:47.820 Speak for yourself. I have not been wearing a mask this entire time. I'm certainly not going to start now.

00:48:53.180 What she's really talking about and kind of bragging about, she seems to be proud that she's been conditioned, you know, that her spirit and will and mind have been broken in a significant way.

00:49:06.620 And she's been conditioned by the government to act this way.

00:49:10.560 And she seems to be proud of that.

00:49:14.560 Like she talks, I think she said in that clip there, or often you hear about how the things that we've learned in this pandemic, right?

00:49:20.580 Because of what we've learned. And that's why, yeah, she did say it there.

00:49:24.380 We've learned certain things. And that's why I'm only going to wear a mask.

00:49:26.560 I'm going to wear a mask on the subway or when I'm in large crowds.

00:49:29.980 Well, what do you think we've learned exactly?

00:49:32.960 What have we learned during the pandemic related to masking that you didn't already know?

00:49:38.060 I haven't learned anything. And it's not because I'm not listening or I'm not open to learning.

00:49:42.080 But what have we learned?

00:49:42.880 We knew that germs existed before this.

00:49:45.540 We knew viruses existed.

00:49:46.740 We knew that medical masks existed.

00:49:50.300 Like you knew about all that stuff.

00:49:51.940 You knew what medical masks were supposed to do, what they were designed to do.

00:49:54.620 And yet, before the pandemic, you would go out in public all the time without a mask.

00:50:00.720 You would never even consider putting a mask on.

00:50:02.520 It's not because you didn't know about any of this stuff.

00:50:04.760 It's just because you had a different set of priorities back then.

00:50:07.000 And you thought that it was worth it to be able to breathe fresh air and to show your face in public

00:50:11.680 and to see other people's faces, that that is worth the minimal risk of catching a virus or coming in contact with germs.

00:50:19.760 And so it's not that you've learned something new.

00:50:21.600 It's just that your priorities have been completely flipped on their head because of this conditioning.

00:50:26.080 She uses the example of the TSA, which I think proves my point, not hers.

00:50:30.680 Because she says, oh, we're all used to the TSA at the airport.

00:50:34.200 Yeah, I'm used to it, but I don't accept that any more than I accept the masking.

00:50:40.580 In fact, every time I fly all the time, every time I go through TSA, every time I think about how utterly stupid all of this is,

00:50:48.540 that it's a bunch of security theater and that's all it is.

00:50:52.580 And I think about that every single time.

00:50:53.960 But she doesn't think about it anymore because the government put it in place and it remained in place for more than five seconds.

00:51:02.020 And so for her, that's enough to never question it again.

00:51:04.980 That's how she operates.

00:51:05.860 That's not how I operate.

00:51:06.640 It's not how a lot of us operate.

00:51:07.920 That's what I responded to her and to Whoopi in a monologue two days ago, I guess it was.

00:51:13.740 It's on YouTube now if you want to see it.

00:51:15.220 But it was basically, that's fine.

00:51:17.200 She can mask till the cows come home.

00:51:18.740 She can mask all the way through to her dying day and may it be many, many, many, many years from now.

00:51:23.000 I choose something else.

00:51:24.660 That is not my new normal.

00:51:25.900 It's not going to be my kid's new normal.

00:51:27.880 No.

00:51:28.860 And attitudes like that of like, oh, well, it's like just this defeatist like, okay, I guess this is like, what are you doing?

00:51:37.020 The subway, by the way, it is dangerous these days because you've got lunatics pushing people onto the tracks because we haven't cracked down on homelessness or crime in the city.

00:51:46.380 In fact, we're going a different direction.

00:51:48.380 But people are coughing less, right?

00:51:50.700 It's like people are, thanks to all the COVID precautions they're taking, it's probably the least germy place that you can go these days.

00:51:58.080 And we used to go on it all the time when it was disgusting and covered in germs, right?

00:52:01.660 It's not like you were making the point in one of your tweets, like, did she not know that the subway was a dirty place?

00:52:06.060 Like, we all kind of knew that.

00:52:08.160 And yet we lived at that risk.

00:52:10.480 I mean, there was a picture online a couple years ago of a woman, a very large woman, wearing very, very tight leggings.

00:52:16.360 And she was holding herself upright on the subway by putting her two cheeks on opposite sides of the pole that we all hang on to.

00:52:23.900 Now, we knew the subway wasn't a clean place.

00:52:26.800 Yeah, and that's why I, you know, I have always spent as little time on subways as I possibly can.

00:52:34.160 I've never been too crazy about holding on to those bars for exactly that kind of reason.

00:52:38.840 But those are all things that I knew before, right?

00:52:40.720 And you want to talk about, like, how about airplanes, okay?

00:52:43.340 Subways are one thing, but airplanes, that's like the only place in my life anymore where I wear a mask.

00:52:49.200 It's the only place I ever really wore a mask was on airplanes, only because I have to fly.

00:52:53.540 And you can't even pull your mask down below your nose without 50 flight attendants.

00:53:00.520 You didn't even think there were 50 flight attendants on the flight, but they all come and descend on you.

00:53:04.680 So that's the one place.

00:53:05.820 But on airplanes, airplanes really are, an airplane at 35,000 feet, it is in pretty much every sense the safest place you could possibly be, including with germs.

00:53:15.660 Because it is, they filter the air so aggressively that there's no germ or virus that can remain lingering in the air for very long because it all gets filtered through and cleaned.

00:53:26.800 So it's like the cleanest place you can be.

00:53:30.740 And yet it's, for a lot of us, the one place where we still have to wear a mask.

00:53:34.420 It just doesn't, it doesn't make any sense.

00:53:36.900 Well, I'll tell you the one blessing of where we are now, as they get, you know, super paranoid about Omicron and they say,

00:53:43.720 Oh my God, now everybody's got to wear a mask all the time.

00:53:45.840 And like, no, we're not taking the mask off.

00:53:47.100 We're going to triple down on the masks.

00:53:48.680 N95s or KN95s.

00:53:50.220 And no, no, no, I won't.

00:53:52.220 However, very smart doctors are coming out all over the place now and saying, you know what?

00:53:57.880 The N95 masks, the KN95 masks, they're actually amazingly effective at protecting you.

00:54:04.920 So you wear one if you don't want to get COVID.

00:54:09.520 The answer is not to then insist everybody else wear one.

00:54:13.280 Your N95 masks, the mask is for you and it will do a really good job of protecting you.

00:54:18.780 So great.

00:54:19.460 We have our solution.

00:54:20.220 You want your kid masked, give him an N95.

00:54:22.880 See if your kid likes that.

00:54:24.000 That's up to you.

00:54:25.080 I'm not doing that.

00:54:26.160 I'm definitely not wearing one myself and we need to be taking reality at its word, right?

00:54:31.120 The virus is diminishing.

00:54:33.140 The pandemic is over.

00:54:34.720 We are in an endemic stage.

00:54:36.220 And now you even have people like Scott Gottlieb, who came on the show, former FDA commissioner.

00:54:40.420 And we had a big fight about masks and I told him none of the studies holds up.

00:54:44.920 And by the way, there's a piece in the Atlantic right now by three doctors that says exactly that.

00:54:49.160 And he gave me a hard time.

00:54:50.740 And even he now is saying no more masks.

00:54:53.140 Like we're there.

00:54:54.620 OK, that's COVID.

00:54:55.920 But I want to talk about something related.

00:54:58.240 So Joe Rogan's been having on heterodox thinkers when it comes to COVID.

00:55:02.620 And that includes Dr. Robert Malone, who is the one of the one of the guys who invented the mRNA technology and he's anti-vax now.

00:55:10.380 And that episode got pulled from YouTube and 240 doctors or allegedly most of them were doctors.

00:55:17.840 I'm not sure.

00:55:18.200 I've seen some questioning.

00:55:20.000 Wrote a letter to Spotify saying you have to pull Joe Rogan's like, please stop him from his misinformation, please.

00:55:24.940 And Neil Young, out of left field comes Neil Young, the singer, who says, Spotify, you have to choose.

00:55:31.960 You choose between me or and Joe Rogan is if you're going to leave him on the air, you have to pull all my music.

00:55:38.080 So Spotify, of course, pulled Neil Young's music.

00:55:42.840 And now there's some guy who's a producer for the Big Bang Theory who's trying to make this a bigger thing, tagging tons of artists, you know, Taylor Swift, you name it.

00:55:54.180 It's like all the names in music saying you should follow suit.

00:55:58.420 Everyone should be cracking down on Spotify, you know, pull your music or make them pull Joe Rogan.

00:56:04.320 What do you make of it?

00:56:04.860 Yeah, well, first of all, I love that Neil Young story is one of my favorite stories of the new year.

00:56:11.260 Just the one of all the guys to try to pull that move.

00:56:15.040 I mean, I don't think anyone can really pull it because Joe Rogan is the most valuable asset that Spotify has.

00:56:21.660 But, you know, for Neil Young to try, it's like I said, it's like if I went, you know, at the Daily Wire, if I went into the offices here and said, hey, guess what, Daily Wire?

00:56:30.540 It's either me or Ben Shapiro.

00:56:31.720 Who are you going to choose?

00:56:32.300 They're going to have to think very hard about it.

00:56:35.040 They're going to say, oh, we'll take Ben there.

00:56:36.160 OK, well, never mind.

00:56:36.940 Forget I said anything.

00:56:37.840 I'll go back to work.

00:56:40.020 But it is it just it blows my mind, really, that we're doing this with Joe Rogan.

00:56:45.460 I mean, when did Joe Rogan become this right wing extremist?

00:56:50.880 He's not even I'm not sure how he exactly would identify himself on the ideological spectrum, but I don't think he calls himself conservative.

00:56:58.520 And I certainly know he was a Bernie guy.

00:57:01.240 Yeah.

00:57:01.800 He's always he's he's basically on the left.

00:57:04.720 But the only difference is that he's willing to talk about things.

00:57:08.120 And very often it's interesting that the things that get the things that get him in trouble.

00:57:11.760 Sometimes it's what he says, but a lot of times it's just what other people say to him.

00:57:17.040 It's the fact that he's allowing people onto his show and he's letting them speak and he's engaging with them.

00:57:23.360 That is what has turned him into not.

00:57:25.960 But he's successful, Matt, that that but but but he's got a big platform, but he's successful.

00:57:31.620 That's when he became problematic to, you know, people like Neil Young.

00:57:35.400 People are actually listening to Joe Rogan.

00:57:36.860 He's got tens of millions of followers.

00:57:39.220 Well, 10 million.

00:57:40.140 I don't know what it is, but he's got a lot of he's got millions.

00:57:43.340 And and yet, despite the fact that he comes out and says, like, don't listen to me, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing.

00:57:48.300 Like, he says that they people do listen to his guests.

00:57:52.640 They do listen to him.

00:57:53.740 He has a huge platform.

00:57:54.880 So does he have a higher sense of responsibility?

00:58:00.580 Well, I think.

00:58:03.140 It depends what we mean by response, but I think your responsibility, if you're doing a show, it depends on how your show is.

00:58:09.920 But if you're doing an interview show, then your responsibility is to bring people on and interview them and let them speak.

00:58:15.380 I think I think that's that's that's the best thing that you can do is to just expose people to different kinds of interesting ideas.

00:58:23.480 And that's what I like about Joe Rogan.

00:58:25.720 It's not even really the political stuff necessarily, but he'll bring people on to talk about all kinds of different things.

00:58:31.600 I think that's what's made Joe Rogan Joe Rogan.

00:58:33.760 That's why people like him is because they're going to be exposed to all kinds of different ideas.

00:58:38.620 And so I think he's very much fulfilling his his responsibility in that regard.

00:58:43.960 He doesn't hold himself out as a journalist.

00:58:46.040 Like if you're looking for journalism where you then confront the person with facts that contradict what they're saying, et cetera, you don't go to Joe Rogan.

00:58:55.840 You shouldn't go to Joe Rogan.

00:58:57.060 Same as you shouldn't go to Jon Stewart, you know, who is a comedian and wasn't in the business of truth telling either.

00:59:01.940 But unlike Joe Rogan, he wanted people to believe he was only when he got in trouble.

00:59:05.460 Would he be like, I'm a comedian?

00:59:06.540 I follow a clown.

00:59:08.140 So it's kind of the opposite.

00:59:09.440 Joe Rogan's out there saying, don't listen to me.

00:59:11.120 Don't do not listen to me.

00:59:13.160 You know, I'm I'm like a talk show host.

00:59:15.120 I'm having fun.

00:59:15.740 Like I'm very popular, but I'm not a journalist.

00:59:19.100 And yet the media continues to treat him as if he is.

00:59:22.680 They want him to behave like Walter Cronkite.

00:59:25.780 And he keeps saying, that's not my business.

00:59:29.020 Anyway, we'll see whether any of these other musicians listens to the guy from the Big Bang Theory.

00:59:35.900 All right.

00:59:36.080 In other weird news that I have a need to talk about.

00:59:39.820 Have you heard about this monkey story?

00:59:42.400 I have.

00:59:43.360 Yeah.

00:59:43.760 So these monkeys happened in Pennsylvania.

00:59:46.380 Happened last Friday for the audience that doesn't know.

00:59:49.100 There was a driver who saw a pickup trailer that had crashed.

00:59:54.560 So she stops to help.

00:59:56.320 Good for her, first of all.

00:59:58.000 And she looked inside of one of the crates because there are all these crates scattered.

01:00:01.700 And a monkey hissed at her.

01:00:04.180 That's not good.

01:00:05.160 That's when you're like, I'm just going to call the authorities.

01:00:07.040 I'm just going to be back in my car on the phone with 911.

01:00:11.140 And now the woman's being treated for rabies.

01:00:14.200 They don't know what she has.

01:00:15.220 But it's very sketchy because the Centers for Disease Control, CDC, is saying in an email,

01:00:22.440 number one, all 100 of the monkeys have been accounted for.

01:00:27.900 Three had to be euthanized.

01:00:29.480 And they are treating this woman like it's a scene straight out of, what's the one with Dustin Hoffman?

01:00:37.020 Outbreak.

01:00:37.640 Yeah.

01:00:38.140 Outbreak.

01:00:38.780 They're treating her like she contacted that monkey.

01:00:42.700 They're like, okay.

01:00:43.460 They sent her a letter saying, if you were within five feet of those crates that had those monkeys

01:00:49.480 and not wearing personal protective equipment, and I'm sure they don't mean just a lame ass

01:00:54.560 cloth mask, right?

01:00:55.820 I'm sure they're like, if you didn't have a hazmat on suit, she should be alert to any illnesses

01:01:01.120 in the next month and requires a minimum quarantine of 31 days for the monkeys after they arrive

01:01:07.460 in the United States.

01:01:08.240 And you tell me what the hell's going on.

01:01:09.880 What's the CDC doing with 100 monkeys in the back of some tractor trailer and then telling

01:01:14.680 people, quarantine, who knows what happened to you?

01:01:18.720 Yeah, that's a good question.

01:01:20.280 I think that one rule of thumb that maybe we never thought we'd really have to talk about

01:01:25.040 is that, and I appreciate she's being a good Samaritan, but maybe just don't try to help

01:01:29.780 clean up spilled monkeys on the highway.

01:01:31.680 No, don't do it.

01:01:32.800 If you see a tractor trailer flipped over and there are ominous cages with sounds coming

01:01:36.840 out of them, just keep driving and let other people handle that.

01:01:40.420 But it does, it's just amazing to me.

01:01:42.940 I think as I mentioned at the top of the show that, so we've got, we know what happened

01:01:47.080 in Wuhan, even if they won't tell us.

01:01:48.640 And then down in South Africa with Omicron, there's really good indication that that might

01:01:53.320 have come out of a lab as well.

01:01:55.080 But of course, they'll never tell us the truth about any of these things.

01:01:56.840 So all we can do is speculate.

01:01:57.680 And now we've got infected monkeys, a whole truck full of virus infected monkeys just being

01:02:04.220 driven down the highway.

01:02:05.440 And I think about, you know, if I want to build a patio in my backyard, I got to get

01:02:10.540 13 different permits to do it.

01:02:12.380 I tried at one of our older houses.

01:02:15.500 We wanted to renovate the inside of the house.

01:02:17.360 We were renovating the inside of the house.

01:02:19.320 And someone from the county showed up in our driveway and said, so what are you guys doing

01:02:23.180 around in here?

01:02:23.820 What's going on?

01:02:24.740 It's the inside of my house is what I'm doing.

01:02:26.420 So get the hell off my property.

01:02:27.540 But that's the that's the kind of red tape that we have to navigate just to do things

01:02:33.260 on our own property.

01:02:33.860 And yet, apparently, these virus labs can deposit pathogens all over the globe and spill virus

01:02:41.580 monkeys on the highway.

01:02:42.760 And there's no accountability.

01:02:44.640 There's no there's no no one is held accountable.

01:02:47.460 There's doesn't appear to be much regulation in place.

01:02:50.060 It's kind of amazing to me.

01:02:51.440 It is amazing to me.

01:02:52.620 It's like, my God, like there's one transport going from the southern border, taking people

01:02:57.200 who are in the country illegally into the dark of night cities across America.

01:03:01.180 And how know who knows how many transports with animals that apparently are being used

01:03:06.080 for experimentation on whom we have no idea what viruses have been released like.

01:03:12.220 OK, because there was a while there where they hadn't all been caught the hundred monkeys.

01:03:16.420 So it was like, well, where are they?

01:03:18.180 Where Pennsylvania is very close to New York.

01:03:20.040 I got an interest in this.

01:03:21.800 I just don't it's like don't trust the government is really kind of what it boils down to.

01:03:25.760 One of the lessons that I think a lot of people have been learning over the past couple of

01:03:29.240 years.

01:03:30.960 Yeah, it's it kind of is it's incredible that you think about anytime something big happens

01:03:36.520 in the news, usually there are legislators that are tripping over themselves to file

01:03:41.780 some kind of bill related to it.

01:03:43.840 And then, you know, because they're trying to capitalize on what just happened.

01:03:47.640 And usually if anything goes wrong, what is the Congress?

01:03:51.120 Their first thought is we have to make a law addressing that.

01:03:53.280 Even if even if there already were 15 laws, we're supposed to prevent whatever it was.

01:03:57.120 Now we need another law.

01:03:57.980 And yet with this, there doesn't have to appear there doesn't happen to there doesn't appear

01:04:01.520 to have been any serious legislative effort to address these virus labs and or anything.

01:04:09.260 I mean, no, we're trying to give them more money conversation about we're trying to give

01:04:13.080 them more money.

01:04:14.580 We not only have we not cracked down on research like the kind the CDC was funding in Wuhan,

01:04:18.800 we're trying to create more of it, fund more of it.

01:04:21.380 And now Fauci wants billions of dollars to come up with vaccines, new vaccines for viruses

01:04:25.560 we don't even have yet.

01:04:27.040 I don't I don't think Fauci should get more money.

01:04:29.360 I don't think Fauci should be in charge of anything having to do with public health from

01:04:33.000 this day forward.

01:04:34.140 But, you know, we'll see.

01:04:35.700 We'll see.

01:04:36.200 Because he's treated like a god by the left and by this administration as well.

01:04:41.140 And, you know, it's disturbing.

01:04:42.460 Or let me end it on a on a happier note.

01:04:44.500 It's controversial, apparently.

01:04:46.000 But I thought it was actually kind of provocative and interesting what you said.

01:04:49.640 You're apparently you said something to the effect of arranged marriages would probably

01:04:53.240 do a damn sight better than the way we find one another in this country and sort of taking

01:04:58.780 aim at the way people date these days and try to find love.

01:05:03.320 And do I have it right?

01:05:04.160 Like, what was your point and why do people not like it?

01:05:07.880 They don't like it because, you know, there are some people that don't like anything I

01:05:10.340 say on any subject whatsoever.

01:05:12.060 But, yeah, we were talking about the modern dating scene.

01:05:15.080 I don't think it's controversial to point out that the modern dating scene is kind of

01:05:18.060 a toxic wasteland.

01:05:19.200 And I am very grateful.

01:05:20.960 I'm grateful for a lot of reasons to be married.

01:05:22.800 But I do feel much like, you know, the guy who escapes a burning building and looks back

01:05:27.380 and it collapses right as he comes out the door.

01:05:29.240 That's kind of how I feel being married, having escaped much of this of the current modern dating

01:05:33.900 scene.

01:05:34.860 And so I think I think everyone kind of especially single people agree that it's it's not an

01:05:38.160 ideal scenario.

01:05:38.760 And so I'm trying to sort through what's going wrong.

01:05:42.240 And there are a lot of things.

01:05:43.320 But I think one of them is that all of the dating has migrated online and not just online,

01:05:48.720 because back when I was single, we had dating sites, which you have a whole long profile and

01:05:54.160 you get a subscription and it was a much more involved process.

01:05:56.680 Now they have just the apps.

01:05:58.460 And really, it's just a picture of someone.

01:06:00.500 You're making decisions based on a profile picture and you're swiping, you know, and

01:06:04.300 that's how you're engaging with people is by swiping them one way or another.

01:06:07.580 And one of the issues with that is that there's just there's so many choices.

01:06:12.740 It's almost like there are too many choices.

01:06:14.360 I think this is a this is a defining feature of modern life.

01:06:18.120 I'm certainly not the first person to notice it, that we have too many choices everywhere.

01:06:22.580 You go to Netflix and, you know, most of us have multiple streaming services.

01:06:25.760 You can watch any movie that's ever been made, any TV show.

01:06:28.740 And yet, how many nights do you flip through kind of looking desperately for something?

01:06:32.420 You can't find anything, even though you have everything.

01:06:34.560 So so oftentimes there can be too many choices.

01:06:36.840 It has this paralysis kind of effect.

01:06:38.960 And I think that's part of the deal with dating where you have there's there's no limitation.

01:06:43.660 It's not like in the old days where the dating pool was confined to your geographic

01:06:48.560 location and that's what you had to choose from.

01:06:50.380 And at least that kind of whittled things down.

01:06:52.580 And now there are no limitations on the extreme opposite end of that would be something like

01:06:59.480 arranged marriage where you have where there are no choices.

01:07:02.420 It's just your family's kind of set this up and say, here you go.

01:07:05.320 Here's who you're marrying.

01:07:06.520 Now, I don't look at that as the ideal scenario.

01:07:09.240 I don't think that's the best way to approach it.

01:07:11.400 But I actually think that that's better than what we do right now.

01:07:14.440 Don't they have a lower divorce rate?

01:07:15.920 Don't don't arrange marriages have a lower divorce rate than our marriages?

01:07:20.160 Much lower.

01:07:20.820 I think it's like something like three or four percent.

01:07:22.640 And a lot of that has to do with the fact that the cultures that have arranged marriages

01:07:25.360 or used to have them, they also frown on divorce quite, quite a bit more than we do.

01:07:30.040 We used to, too.

01:07:31.700 Yeah, we used to also.

01:07:32.880 So it's interesting how cultural attitudes can affect that.

01:07:35.700 But it's not the most ideal, but it's better than what we have.

01:07:38.180 And that only speaks to how bad our current system is.

01:07:40.440 I think the best kind of way of approaching it is more of we put we put dating to the side.

01:07:45.920 Forget about dating.

01:07:46.740 We go back to what they used to call courtship courting.

01:07:49.700 And that's dating with a purpose.

01:07:51.980 That's dating intentionally.

01:07:53.620 And what you're doing there is you're just you know, going in both partners know that they're looking for the person they're going to marry.

01:08:00.600 And so this is kind of an interview process.

01:08:02.600 And that's the end point.

01:08:04.240 And you know that going in.

01:08:05.800 And then that that also tells you if you get to a point in the relationship where, you know, you can't marry this person or you don't want to, then there's no reason to linger on for the five years.

01:08:14.300 You just cut it off there and you go and you try to find someone else.

01:08:16.880 I think that could solve many of the problems.

01:08:19.400 That's so good.

01:08:20.660 I don't disagree with any of that.

01:08:22.560 Um, I know that you and your wife have a great relationship and I love watching some of your fun back and forth online.

01:08:28.740 There was something there's something that she tweeted out something to the effect of, um, I brought Matt dinner when he came home from the Dr. Phil show in response to which he said, when they bring me dinner at the Daily Wire, I usually get two sides and an appetizer or something, something like that.

01:08:42.980 She was like, does anyone have some arsenic or something I can sprinkle on the next serving?

01:08:48.420 So it sounds like she has a healthy sense of humor, which I'm sure both of you need.

01:08:52.840 I appreciate you coming on.

01:08:54.060 I appreciate you talking about this stuff.

01:08:55.220 I know you get a lot of incoming.

01:08:56.600 We need voices like yours.

01:08:57.840 We need people who aren't afraid to take incoming and who are willing to talk about heart issues, whether you agree with them or not.

01:09:03.840 We're getting to a place where it's all about censorship and having the quote proper opinion.

01:09:07.960 And that's bullshit.

01:09:09.480 So love you, Matt.

01:09:10.420 I'm a big fan.

01:09:12.060 Thanks, Megan.

01:09:12.640 Really appreciate it.

01:09:13.360 Thank you.

01:09:13.680 See you soon.

01:09:14.500 Coming up, Julie Kelly is here to talk about January 6th and her new book.

01:09:20.320 This is this is the woman who has been paying attention to every single case that's been brought.

01:09:26.520 I mean, there are hundreds of them.

01:09:27.900 What the government's doing, what it's not doing, who it's not going after and what she's gleaned.

01:09:32.220 And she's going to bring us up to date on the very latest next.

01:09:35.100 Joining me now is senior writer at American Greatness and author of the new book, January 6th, how Democrats used the Capitol protest to launch a war on terror against the political right.

01:09:54.240 Julie Kelly.

01:09:55.180 Welcome back, Julie.

01:09:55.760 Good to have you.

01:09:56.600 Hey, Megan.

01:09:57.160 Thanks so much for having me on.

01:09:58.420 OK, so more than anybody I know, you've been following these cases, individual cases, and there's upwards of 700 of them.

01:10:04.960 So it's a lot to keep track of.

01:10:07.220 Give us an update.

01:10:08.080 You last came out in June to tell us the number of people who had been held, who weren't given access to videotapes and other evidence, who basically were wasting away.

01:10:16.040 You had predicted it would be about a year with no charges and no trial.

01:10:19.860 And now we're we're at a year.

01:10:21.900 So give us the landscape, you know, 30,000 foot now and where we are.

01:10:25.360 So there are roughly seven hundred and thirty defendants in the Justice Department's unprecedented probe into the four hour disturbance at the Capitol on January 6th, 2021.

01:10:36.500 And they are arresting new people every single week, mostly charging them with misdemeanor offenses such as disorderly conduct or parading in the Capitol.

01:10:47.000 But to your point, Megan, what is most alarming is the existence of political prisoners in the United States.

01:10:53.760 We now have more than 70 men who are being held, denied bail under pretrial detention orders that have been demanded by this Justice Department, signed off on by federal judges.

01:11:06.180 Nearly probably 40 of them right now are in this D.C.

01:11:09.980 I call the D.C.

01:11:10.980 Gulag that is part of the D.C.

01:11:13.680 prison system that has been set aside specifically for January 6th defendants.

01:11:18.540 There are a few dozen others in prisons across the country.

01:11:21.160 To your point now, they've all been charged, but some of them face nonviolent charges and none of them have been convicted of any crime.

01:11:30.060 Meanwhile, their trials keep getting delayed and you will have some men who will be held behind bars for 18, 19 months at least until they even have a chance to go to trial and defend themselves.

01:11:43.140 This is what's so nuts.

01:11:44.160 You look at the soft on crime D.A.s that have been elected across our country.

01:11:47.280 We just talked about one in Chicago who the sheriff now in Chicago is complaining because he says he's got 100 murderers, people who have been charged with murder, awaiting trial, accused murderers who are on house arrest, awaiting trial with a little anklet.

01:12:03.800 Murderers, including one who's accused of shooting a little seven year old girl outside of McDonald's there.

01:12:08.020 They can sit at home, watch TV, be with their families.

01:12:11.140 Meanwhile, these guys who are looking at it for the most part, trespass charges, misdemeanor charges are sitting in jail because they're treated like they're the worst of the worst, because that's how Democrats see them, given the nature of their alleged crimes.

01:12:27.420 Well, that's what I talk about in my book, Megan, about January 6th.

01:12:33.320 This is the four hour disturbance at the Capitol has been used as a pretext to launch a war on terror against the political right.

01:12:40.740 Well, when we have a war on terror, what do you do?

01:12:43.360 You go outside of your authority, government authority, detain people without representation.

01:12:49.160 In a lot of cases, they can't even access their defense attorneys.

01:12:52.300 Most of them have to rely on public defenders in Washington, D.C.

01:12:55.760 You can only imagine the political views of those lawyers.

01:13:00.680 And so they really are caught up in a rigged system from prosecutors to federal judges to public defenders.

01:13:07.920 And of course, the media were treating them as badly, maybe even worse than Al Qaeda terrorists.

01:13:14.160 At least Guantanamo Bay detainees had some people, you know, some like libertarian groups or civil rights groups who were demanding they were treated humanely.

01:13:23.760 We've had none of that. These guys have you six defendants.

01:13:27.740 This is they have you. No offense to you, but you're a one woman reporter.

01:13:31.720 You know, it's like there's no like massive legal team trying to swoop in and just make sure that their rights are being protected.

01:13:37.660 I thought about it the other day, because when we had that terror attack down in Dallas with that guy who flew in from the UK and held the four people hostage at the synagogue, he wasn't on the no fly list.

01:13:48.600 He wasn't red flagged, even though he had been under terror investigation in the UK.

01:13:52.620 He had a long list of crimes on his record and shouldn't have been allowed into the United States.

01:13:57.100 That guy's not on the no fly list.

01:13:58.460 But half of these guys have been put on the no fly list because of their alleged trespass one day at the Capitol without any proof that most of these guys committed any violence while there.

01:14:08.480 And they are on TSA list.

01:14:10.440 You remember Brandon Strzok, who started the walk away movement.

01:14:14.100 He was a progressive and he started this movement to encourage people to get away from the Democratic Party.

01:14:19.620 He was charged his life basically destroyed.

01:14:22.240 He pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct earlier this week.

01:14:26.420 He has been put on a TSA fly list.

01:14:28.640 You should see what he's had to go through anytime he needs to travel.

01:14:33.400 But yet we have, you know, refugees pouring in from the southern border.

01:14:38.080 You have the FBI and DOJ, National Security Division officials say they have no idea how many people are flooding in from countries of special interest, meaning, you know, harbors of terrorists.

01:14:48.140 But yet Brandon Strzok, who's done nothing wrong, has no criminal record, pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct, never even went into the building, is on a TSA fly list.

01:14:57.940 This is crazy.

01:14:58.740 And this is you and I have talked about this before.

01:15:00.820 No one, not you, not I, is excusing the truly bad actors who were there that day who hurt others, who hurt cops, who hurt others.

01:15:08.120 They can go to jail and good.

01:15:09.700 That's where they should go.

01:15:10.580 But we are treating all 740 plus of these people like they're all the same, like they all committed violence and wanted to engage in a coup.

01:15:20.720 And a lot of them just got swept in.

01:15:22.880 They were kind of like, what are we doing?

01:15:23.920 OK, we're going in.

01:15:24.820 Yeah, no one's stopping us.

01:15:26.040 OK, oh, shit.

01:15:26.880 Wait, what?

01:15:27.860 Right.

01:15:28.040 I mean, not all of them, but a lot.

01:15:29.560 So there's no distinction between the groups by those handling these cases or, for that matter, by the press that covers it.

01:15:37.500 Let's talk about a couple of specific cases because there have been some updates.

01:15:42.120 There's one.

01:15:42.940 All right.

01:15:43.500 Ray Epps.

01:15:45.060 Just for the audience that's not familiar with that name, tell us why he's interesting.

01:15:49.560 He's interesting because he was caught on video numerous times encouraging people to go into the Capitol that day.

01:15:56.980 So he was basically the night before and the day of telling people, go inside the Capitol building, directing people to the building.

01:16:05.220 He was on an area that was allegedly restricted access.

01:16:09.660 Yet he has not been charged with any crime.

01:16:12.380 And no one at DOJ or FBI can explain why.

01:16:15.900 There are suspicions that he was working for the FBI or for some other government agency.

01:16:21.660 The January 6th committee came out and said that they interviewed him.

01:16:24.700 He's not with law enforcement, was never an informant.

01:16:27.360 And then came back two weeks later and said, oh, by the way, we're going to formally interview him.

01:16:31.240 So it just supports suspicions that I believe are true is that he has that there were hundreds, if not thousands of provocateurs or people acting on behalf of various government agencies to provoke a lot of the confrontations and violence we saw that day.

01:16:50.400 Hmm. So there's no evidence of it yet.

01:16:52.960 We're just we're curious.

01:16:54.760 I'm looking at their statement.

01:16:56.120 They say, OK, the House committee says the select committee is aware of unsupported claims that Ray Epps was an FBI informant based on the fact that he was on the FBI wanted list.

01:17:06.100 And then he was removed from that list without being charged.

01:17:07.900 Then it goes on to say the select committee has interviewed Mr. Epps.

01:17:11.900 Mr. Epps informed us that he was not employed by working with or acting at the direction of law enforcement on January 5 or 6 or any other time, and that he's never been an informant for the FBI or any other law enforcement agent.

01:17:23.280 He informed us that.

01:17:25.360 Well, that doesn't really answer the question that Mr. Epps said that to the committee.

01:17:29.940 Mr. Epps may have said a lot of things to the committee.

01:17:32.020 I would really like to know and didn't didn't was a Ted Cruz ask an FBI spokesperson about this and say, was Ray Epps working for the FBI?

01:17:42.440 Now, she she seemed to deny it, but we don't we haven't closed this circle entirely.

01:17:49.340 Well, two things.

01:17:49.860 Representative Tom Massey confronted Attorney General Merrick Garland a few months ago in a hearing and played the recordings of Ray Epps encouraging people to go on the Capitol.

01:17:58.360 Well, Merrick Garland had no idea who he was talking about or who Ray Epps was.

01:18:03.720 But then in a separate what you're referring to Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, Ted Cruz and Tom Cotton confronted Jill Sanborn, who was a top counterterrorism official at the FBI.

01:18:15.280 Ted Cruz asked her twice if there were any FBI agents or informants who either engaged in or incited violence on January 6.

01:18:24.800 Megan, she refused to answer the question.

01:18:27.120 She said, I know there were hundreds.

01:18:29.260 That's right.

01:18:30.020 We know there are hundreds, if not thousands of undercover FBI agents.

01:18:34.140 We know this because DOJ officials and now has been reported in Newsweek a bombshell article earlier this month.

01:18:40.960 It said they hundreds of elite FBI forces agents were deployed to the Capitol that day and later that afternoon.

01:18:49.460 Megan, I've watched as much video of January 6th as anyone photographs.

01:18:52.800 I've never seen anyone identified as an FBI officer walking around trying to, you know, do his job or prevent violence or move the crowd away.

01:19:01.420 None of that.

01:19:02.140 So who were they?

01:19:03.200 What were they doing?

01:19:03.940 So there's plenty of reason, just patient, to suspect that the FBI and other government agencies were deeply involved, not just in what happened that day, but in planning for it ahead of time, which I do talk about in my book.

01:19:16.000 Well, it's relevant.

01:19:16.660 It's relevant.

01:19:17.160 And it's not to say that they caused everything that day, but if they had a hand in it, if they encouraged people, it'll certainly be relevant to the criminal defenses that these men assert while on trial.

01:19:27.240 We're seeing that in the Governor Whitmer case right now.

01:19:29.740 Right. There was this plot to kidnap the governor and it was horrible and she came out and said it's horrible.

01:19:36.180 Then it turns out that like something like half of the guys involved were FBI agents who were stirring it up and encouraging it and saying, you know, like, is everybody on board?

01:19:45.500 We're going to kidnap her.

01:19:46.620 OK, here we go.

01:19:48.060 And the defense is going to be entrapment.

01:19:50.380 We were entrapped by the FBI.

01:19:52.660 They were the ringleaders.

01:19:53.440 They lured us into it.

01:19:54.760 That could work.

01:19:55.680 Might not, but it could.

01:19:56.820 OK, let's talk about Stuart Rhodes, who is the leader of the Oath Keepers.

01:20:03.500 Who is Stuart Rhodes?

01:20:04.680 Who are the Oath Keepers and why are they relevant?

01:20:08.340 So Stuart Rhodes is the founder of the Oath Keepers.

01:20:11.280 He founded it in 2009.

01:20:13.240 It is allegedly a violent armed militia group filled with white supremacists.

01:20:19.180 That's what we've been told.

01:20:20.940 And so the Oath Keepers were involved in the Capitol protest.

01:20:25.260 One group, Megan, walked into the Capitol building in a stack formation.

01:20:29.500 They stayed inside for 20 minutes.

01:20:31.180 They didn't break any windows, destroy any property.

01:20:33.280 They brought no weapons, which is weird for a militia group.

01:20:36.020 Didn't attack anyone.

01:20:37.580 Walked out.

01:20:38.400 Another group of two or three men walked into the Capitol.

01:20:41.940 Had a confrontation with police.

01:20:43.860 I'm told one cop hit one of them.

01:20:46.240 He punched back.

01:20:47.420 They left five minutes later.

01:20:49.200 No weapons.

01:20:50.200 They had no orchestrated plan to overthrow the government, as we've been told.

01:20:53.880 But they started rounding up and arresting people within two weeks of the January 6th

01:21:00.000 protest, including elderly disabled veterans.

01:21:03.580 They were dragging off to secret prisons.

01:21:06.600 But oddly, person one, Stuart Rhodes, who was person one in all of the conspiracy indictments,

01:21:11.880 hadn't been charged.

01:21:13.360 And so some of us started raising this issue.

01:21:15.980 Darren Batey at Revolver.News, who's done extensive detailed investigative work into January

01:21:20.680 6th, really started saying, well, if he's person one, he's responsible for this conspiratorial

01:21:26.060 attack on the Capitol.

01:21:27.140 Why is he still a free man?

01:21:29.100 So lo and behold, January 12th, there is the grand jury indictment against Stuart Rhodes

01:21:34.380 and 10 other oath keepers, many of whom, all of whom had already been charged for seditious

01:21:40.320 conspiracy.

01:21:41.120 And this is the first time we saw.

01:21:43.380 Yes, because up till then, we hadn't seen what we still haven't seen insurrection charged

01:21:47.780 of anybody.

01:21:48.200 Right.

01:21:48.680 And that and that's a crime you can charge.

01:21:50.500 It hasn't happened.

01:21:51.940 But this is the closest thing we've seen to sedition.

01:21:54.700 Seditious conspiracy is something Andy McCarthy said he charged the blind shake with back when

01:21:59.920 that guy orchestrated the first bombing of the World Trade Center.

01:22:02.720 So this is the first time we saw that appear in criminal charges against anybody connected

01:22:06.380 with January 6th when they charged the 11 oath keeper guys with that.

01:22:11.120 That's right.

01:22:11.780 That's the first.

01:22:12.400 There are other conspiracy charges, including the oath keepers.

01:22:14.960 The original indictments were for conspiracy.

01:22:17.680 But this is seditious conspiracy.

01:22:19.520 They are accusing these men of using force to overthrow the government, which is just preposterous,

01:22:24.620 Megan.

01:22:24.760 How do you overthrow the government with, you know, khaki pants and a military helmet and

01:22:29.440 no weapons and go in and take selfies and leave?

01:22:32.500 So this is just more optics, more fabricated drama out of this Justice Department.

01:22:37.580 And the trials are set.

01:22:39.220 First trial is set for April.

01:22:41.120 And then the next trial will be in July.

01:22:44.560 So they're also trying to do we think it answers the question about do we think it answers the

01:22:48.900 question about Stuart Rhodes, right?

01:22:50.180 He it doesn't sound like he's a he's an FBI informant if he's been charged with seditious

01:22:54.420 conspiracy.

01:22:56.780 It it doesn't.

01:22:58.040 But there's still a lot of unanswered questions about him.

01:23:01.460 Now, he will be detained in Texas.

01:23:03.720 So far, I don't know if he'll be moved to the D.C.

01:23:06.880 jail, as others have been.

01:23:09.140 But look, no, he's not going to be convicted of seditious conspiracy, as you know.

01:23:13.500 I mean, the last time anyone in government tried that was in 2010 in Michigan.

01:23:17.280 And the judge threw out the case.

01:23:18.720 It's very difficult to prove.

01:23:20.900 And so we'll see as they put the evidence together exactly what Stuart Rhodes did, because he

01:23:26.300 definitely was the ringleader.

01:23:27.700 He was cultivating these people, visiting them at their places of business when they were

01:23:32.660 some of them were holding anti lockdown rallies.

01:23:35.780 And so he definitely did cultivate a lot of these people.

01:23:39.560 So when you read the documents, you consider that someone who allegedly is so dangerous has

01:23:43.800 been a free man for a year.

01:23:46.140 There are just things that don't add up.

01:23:48.000 And to your point, Megan, the backdrop of the Whitmer kidnapping case should raise a lot

01:23:52.820 of more suspicions about government involvement in January 6th, because those two events not

01:23:58.360 only are tied together timeline wise, but also by the government themselves.

01:24:02.540 They continue to show, look at these dangerous militia people.

01:24:05.980 They were the same ones who were involved in January 6th.

01:24:08.600 And so those two events are tied together.

01:24:11.200 It's almost impossible to think that there weren't operatives like Ray Epps, possibly someone

01:24:16.160 like Stuart Rhodes, considering what exactly did he do?

01:24:19.320 Why did the government wait so long to indict him?

01:24:22.360 So there's so many games out of this DOJ and FBI.

01:24:26.120 Your guess is as good as mine as to what Stuart Rhodes did or put it down.

01:24:30.640 Yeah, well, Stuart Rhodes, I mean, you've you've pointed this out.

01:24:34.180 Our audience should know you're you're not afraid of the facts that make these guys look

01:24:37.960 bad.

01:24:39.200 Stuart had bad, bad messages they've managed to get.

01:24:43.620 I think it's interesting.

01:24:44.320 They apparently got his signal group chat.

01:24:47.320 That's another one of those messaging apps that they tell you is totally stealthy and nobody

01:24:51.360 could ever find your chat on it, that WhatsApp, right?

01:24:54.140 They can find your chats on all this stuff.

01:24:56.300 So this is from an article that you wrote in American Greatness.

01:25:00.640 His communications you read were by far the most inflammatory on November 5th, 2020.

01:25:05.060 In a signal group chat he initiated, Rhodes warned of a civil war and encouraged the participants

01:25:11.480 to, quote, prepare mind, body, spirit.

01:25:14.240 In a December 2020 interview, Rhodes declared, quote, we will have to do a bloody, massively

01:25:18.800 bloody revolution against them if Biden assumed the presidency.

01:25:23.540 And then at 1 30 p.m. on January 6th, he predicted the day would lead to, quote, our Lexington

01:25:28.980 and on and on from there.

01:25:30.800 So, I mean, you would agree, though, if this guy's not an FBI agent, I would say certainly

01:25:35.900 looks like he's not now that he's been arrested.

01:25:38.080 It's not so good for the Oath Keepers.

01:25:39.740 They do look like they were organized in planning something quite nefarious.

01:25:44.540 Well, they were.

01:25:44.920 And here's the difference.

01:25:45.940 But again, the question is, they they've had all those communications since the very beginning.

01:25:51.000 And they have, Stuart Rhodes, on numerous podcasts and interviews saying basically the same thing.

01:25:57.680 They knew he was person one in every indictment.

01:26:01.260 If they had all that information, why did they wait over a year for perhaps, let's just say

01:26:07.200 it's legit, the most dangerous man involved in the Oath Keepers, not a disabled veteran

01:26:12.100 like Thomas Caldwell, or not some of these other people who are charged with nonviolent

01:26:16.740 crimes who've been rotting in this D.C. jail for almost a year?

01:26:19.580 Why is he still out over a year?

01:26:21.780 Was there any question about whether he went into the Capitol?

01:26:24.260 You know, like, was there a question about whether they could actually place him at the

01:26:27.340 Capitol on the day of?

01:26:28.940 He was in the restricted area.

01:26:30.860 He did not go inside the building, but neither did Thomas Caldwell, the disabled veteran who

01:26:36.280 they claim was the ringleader originally.

01:26:38.480 And they had to backtrack.

01:26:39.900 The government had to backtrack on that, too.

01:26:42.120 So it's not even that he didn't go into the building or that Ray Epps didn't go into the

01:26:45.840 building.

01:26:46.040 And Brent, Brandon Strzok never went into the building either.

01:26:48.940 But yet he his life has been destroyed.

01:26:51.120 He has three months home detention, three years probation, five thousand dollar fine.

01:26:55.520 I mean, these things just don't add up.

01:26:57.700 Yeah.

01:26:57.840 And speaking of things that are sort of irritating, like you want to know more, you're just not

01:27:02.720 sure you're getting everything.

01:27:04.100 Tell us about the tapes, because one of the things you were flagging for us back in June

01:27:08.220 was there are thousands and thousands of hours of tapes and the defense haven't been provided

01:27:13.560 with the tapes.

01:27:15.040 You know, government tapes, like what if it's a government building?

01:27:17.740 They got a lot of tape, not to mention just people's cell phone cameras and whatever.

01:27:23.420 And there was a question about whether the government would provide all of it to the defense

01:27:27.080 and to the public.

01:27:28.040 What has happened since then?

01:27:30.300 So this is 14000 hours of surveillance video that was captured by U.S. Capitol Police security

01:27:35.940 cameras on January 6th.

01:27:38.540 It has been designated by DOJ as highly sensitive government material.

01:27:42.940 So basically classified material.

01:27:45.020 Every clip is under a protective order.

01:27:48.640 It's even difficult for defense attorneys to get it.

01:27:51.660 A defendant can only watch any surveillance video evidence against them if they're with

01:27:57.300 another person, either a paralegal or someone from their defense team, which is impossible

01:28:02.280 for these detained, incarcerated defendants.

01:28:06.220 Many of them haven't even seen the video evidence against them almost a year later.

01:28:10.540 So why is the government concealing this video?

01:28:14.020 If, as Liz Cheney in the January 6th committee says, the public should know the full truth

01:28:19.200 about what happened, well, this would be the best way to do it, right?

01:28:22.700 Megan, we could see what happened inside and outside that building from noon until eight

01:28:27.240 o'clock.

01:28:27.980 Who was outside on the Capitol grounds putting up this light fencing?

01:28:32.020 Who put up the gallows?

01:28:33.640 Remember the noose that they said people were going to hang Mike Pence on?

01:28:37.580 Who constructed that?

01:28:38.780 We still don't know.

01:28:40.280 What type of informants or agents or government undercover or plainclothes officers were inside

01:28:46.300 and outside the building before anyone arrived?

01:28:49.340 Why are they hiding this?

01:28:50.540 Well, we know because some of it has been opened up and released to the public.

01:28:56.220 We saw a 40-minute clip that clearly shows Capitol Police allowing hundreds of people into

01:29:00.420 the building near the Senate side.

01:29:02.420 We also saw, and I talk about this in my book, police officers beating, attacking, kicking,

01:29:09.140 punching, dousing protesters with tear gas.

01:29:12.060 These are people who are not doing anything wrong.

01:29:15.220 This is a big reason why they want to keep this under wraps.

01:29:18.200 But they say the reason they're not producing the other half of the tapes is it's just irrelevant

01:29:22.980 stuff.

01:29:23.720 You know, I'm like, it's thousands of stuff of hours to go through.

01:29:26.940 And there's even in the discovery laws, if it's not responsive, right, you don't you

01:29:31.180 don't produce it.

01:29:31.780 And they're basically saying it's not responsive.

01:29:33.020 It's a bunch of irrelevant nonsense.

01:29:37.200 That's right.

01:29:37.740 So they have said of the 14,000 hours, only 7,000 hours are relevant to the investigations.

01:29:43.820 OK, well, let's see them.

01:29:45.120 I mean, even if we just saw between, you know, one noon and say four o'clock or five o'clock

01:29:50.600 that day on the Capitol, we don't have to see what's happening in all the other House

01:29:55.020 and Senate buildings, I mean, certainly that's irrelevant to what was going on inside the

01:29:59.420 U.S. Capitol.

01:30:00.700 But why is the committee, why is the government covering this up?

01:30:04.260 The J6 committee, to my knowledge, hasn't even acknowledged, hasn't even admitted the

01:30:08.060 existence of this trove of footage, which seems a little bit weird for these truth seekers

01:30:13.680 who want to make sure we get to the bottom of January 6th.

01:30:16.980 The truth seekers who want to who want to put the hearings on on in prime time because

01:30:20.180 they're talking about what big ratings it would get.

01:30:22.460 I mean, they want to be admired.

01:30:25.180 That's what they want.

01:30:25.980 They want to be, you know, stars.

01:30:28.180 They want to look like they're doing something that'll gin up Democrats anger and outrage.

01:30:32.720 It's just that it's so wrong.

01:30:35.220 Can we talk for a minute about the bombs at the DNC and the RNC?

01:30:38.440 So that that story hasn't gotten much play at all in the mainstream media.

01:30:41.980 Tell us what happened and why it remains controversial today with insofar as what law enforcement

01:30:48.240 has done.

01:30:48.640 So allegedly, pipe bombs were set outside of the DNC and RNC headquarters on the evening

01:30:56.000 of January 5th.

01:30:57.680 Now, these headquarters are located to the east of the Capitol building.

01:31:02.080 Just so happens, a woman was walking near an alley by the RNC about 10 to 1 on January

01:31:08.420 6th.

01:31:08.860 She saw what she thought was a pipe bomb, a kitchen timer, I think a piece of plastic,

01:31:13.960 some wire.

01:31:14.600 She alerted a security guard at the RNC who notified Capitol Police and that activated their

01:31:20.840 bomb squad.

01:31:22.120 This really started, I think, the whole kind of fear atmosphere that day as people were

01:31:29.460 learning and congressmen were being alerted that there was an alleged bomb threat near the

01:31:34.640 Capitol building.

01:31:35.420 Police then discovered a similar device near the Democratic National Committee, just, you

01:31:40.220 know, a few blocks away from the RNC.

01:31:42.640 So they evacuated a few of the house buildings.

01:31:46.080 The bomb, D.H., D.C. bomb squad was there, U.S. Capitol Police.

01:31:50.140 They took the devices, allegedly detonated them.

01:31:54.020 And that was that.

01:31:55.100 So why now, more than a year later, when we're still tracking down trespassers, have we not

01:32:01.160 found the suspect who allegedly set these explosive devices?

01:32:05.360 Also, Megan, what was just revealed is that Kamala Harris was in the DNC headquarters when

01:32:11.680 the pipe bombs outside of that building were located.

01:32:15.500 Now, wouldn't you think that the FBI would put for all sorts of manpower and resources into

01:32:22.400 tracking down whoever set a bomb outside of a building where a sitting U.S.

01:32:26.380 senator was, an incoming vice president?

01:32:29.360 But to your point, it's been completely memory hold.

01:32:32.060 I mean, the FBI, to my knowledge, they said there's a $100,000 reward.

01:32:36.140 They have some grainy video that we're not even sure if it's the person who actually set them.

01:32:40.740 But there's no urgency in tracking down that suspect or suspects.

01:32:46.480 We have no details about any investigation into the devices.

01:32:49.860 We have no report from the FBI that explained what the device was.

01:32:53.880 So it's just a little odd that something that was so momentous on that day has been completely

01:33:00.420 a memory hold.

01:33:01.460 No one even talks about it.

01:33:02.620 And we have no suspect in custody.

01:33:04.680 That's crazy.

01:33:05.880 I mean, think of January 6th.

01:33:07.160 Hadn't happened.

01:33:08.040 They would have devoted the entire FBI to figuring out who tried to potentially bomb those two

01:33:13.320 places, as you point out, especially with the vice president elect sitting in one of

01:33:17.560 them and nothing.

01:33:19.260 Most people don't even know it happened.

01:33:22.060 Julie Kelly, really, really appreciate you coming on and keeping track of all of this.

01:33:25.920 It's it's not easy.

01:33:26.840 So it's all in her book, January 6th.

01:33:29.160 If you'd like to see it and read it, then get up to date for yourself.

01:33:33.000 Fascinating stuff.

01:33:33.840 All the best to you.

01:33:34.760 You too, Megan.

01:33:35.300 Thanks.

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Disturbing Leaked Illegal Immigration Video and Ray Epps Latest, with Matt Walsh and Julie Kelly ｜ Ep. 249

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