The Megyn Kelly Show - Does Nikki Haley Have a Shot, and Parenting and Friendship Tips, with David Sacks, and Megyn's Friends

00:00:00.600 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.080 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. We are live today from

00:00:16.700 Las Vegas, Nevada. How fun. And we're going to get personal. Two of my best friends in life

00:00:22.600 are going to join me. I'm here with a group of women, two of whom are the brave souls willing

00:00:26.860 to come on camera. Not everybody likes this, as it turns out. They're going to join me in just a

00:00:31.660 bit, and we'll talk about our lives, our friendship, our marriages, our parenting skills, and yours as

00:00:37.460 well, and some of the news relating to all these things. Perhaps a few secrets will be revealed.

00:00:41.660 You'll have to stay tuned to find out. I'm also going to reveal something about Jane Fonda,

00:00:45.640 something positive that might shock you. But first, we begin today with the 2024 race

00:00:51.040 heating up on the GOP side. This, as Kareem Jean-Pierre calls President Biden,

00:00:56.600 the best communicator in the White House, which is like being the thinnest kid at fat camp.

00:01:03.920 Joining me now, one of the most brilliant minds in Silicon Valley, David Sachs. David's a venture

00:01:08.740 capitalist who now runs Craft Ventures. He's also a co-host of the All In podcast. David,

00:01:14.920 great to have you back. How are you doing?

00:01:16.640 Good. Good to be back, Megan.

00:01:17.840 I love Vegas. Have you ever been in Vegas recently?

00:01:22.120 It's been a little while for me, but yeah, I go there for poker sometimes.

00:01:26.960 You do your own kind of professional gambling for a living.

00:01:30.220 Right. Yeah, it's kind of redundant when you're in the venture capital business.

00:01:34.140 Yeah. Well, we got to go. We're going to go gamble a little bit later today. I will say,

00:01:37.760 just walking around some of the nicer casinos at night, it's all $100 minimum. I'm like,

00:01:42.360 who the hell bets $100 minimum just to sit down and play some blackjack? I got to get over to the

00:01:46.960 golden nugget. There's like a $5 minimum. That's more my speed.

00:01:51.020 Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, you need to play with some of us poker degenerates from Silicon Valley.

00:01:59.680 Isn't that like one of the things of the All In podcast? Aren't you guys like all poker

00:02:03.660 aficionados?

00:02:04.240 Yeah, that's where the name came from. All In is a poker expression. The original idea for

00:02:09.980 our podcast, the podcast is me and three friends from Silicon Valley who are long-time investors

00:02:15.580 here, is that we were going to simply record our conversations at the poker table and put it out

00:02:21.080 as a podcast. That's where the name came from. We didn't exactly do that, but what you hear on

00:02:26.880 the All In pod are the types of conversations that you would hear if you were to be a guest at our

00:02:32.380 poker table and hear the four of us talking about different issues.

00:02:35.760 Oh, so I'm kind of taking a page out of your book today and tomorrow. Okay, so let's talk 2024.

00:02:41.600 I have to tell you, I definitely want to talk about Nikki Haley and so on, but the most interesting

00:02:44.920 thing that I think has happened this week is Vivek Ramaswamy saying he might be all in. I've

00:02:51.540 interviewed him many times. You know him. The author of Woke Inc. and a very successful investor.

00:02:57.920 He went to Yale Law School. He's in his 30s saying he might run, and he's been in Iowa.

00:03:04.920 So we'll get to Nikki Haley in a second, but what do you think? Vivek is very exciting to me.

00:03:09.680 He's been as aggressive as Ron DeSantis in fighting the woke wars, but he also knows business

00:03:16.220 better than virtually anybody I've seen throw their hat into the ring so far or even talk about it.

00:03:21.220 And the thing is, he's kind of like a Trump in that he's a businessman. He knows how to run a

00:03:28.860 successful business. He's done it. He's made, I think, over a billion dollars just in his first

00:03:33.760 10 to 15 years out of law school. He's a person of color because there are certain boxes that are

00:03:39.500 exciting to check as presidential candidacies go. What do you make of Vivek saying, I'm thinking

00:03:44.440 about doing this very seriously? Well, I mean, I love the guy and his critique of woke capitalism,

00:03:50.360 but I don't think he has a realistic shot. And his entering the race really only, I think,

00:03:56.940 ultimately accrues to the benefit of Donald Trump because I think the only way to take down Trump

00:04:02.600 is for one candidate, namely DeSantis, to have a clean shot at him. And if there's all these other

00:04:08.340 candidates in the race, you're going to replicate a situation like you had in 2016 where Trump's going

00:04:14.080 to get his solid sort of core 35 to 40 percent base, they're going to stick with him no matter

00:04:20.700 what. And then all the other candidates will split the rest. I think if you want to take Trump down as

00:04:26.480 the nominee, you really need, again, another candidate to kind of congeal the other, you know,

00:04:32.780 55, 60 percent of the votes. And the more candidates that are in the race, the harder that's going to be

00:04:37.380 to do. So I don't I don't know what Vivek brings that DeSantis doesn't already have covered.

00:04:44.300 DeSantis has declared that Florida is a place that woke goes to die. He's he's basically attacked

00:04:49.780 woke in the classrooms. He's taken on the college board with the AP courses. He took on the trans

00:04:54.840 issue in classrooms with the, you know, so-called don't say gay bill. He's taking on Blackrock and

00:05:00.000 ESG. I don't know that you can get a better carrier of the banner on sort of against woke

00:05:07.420 capitalism than DeSantis. So I don't know what Vivek, I don't know what his joining the race

00:05:13.540 does other than peel away a few votes from from DeSantis. Interesting. Well, yeah, certainly when

00:05:20.080 it comes to fighting, you know, the woke nonsense, they're both great. But, you know, Vivek's got a

00:05:25.040 billion dollars and Ron DeSantis doesn't. He earned it himself, you know, completely on his own. So

00:05:29.720 yeah, no one admires that more than me. Yeah, no one admires that more than me, Megan. But but no,

00:05:37.140 DeSantis is going to be the most well-funded candidate probably in history. He's going to have

00:05:41.400 huge amounts of money behind him. And I think the sort of the main question, you know, that that's

00:05:47.960 going to affect this this primary race for 24 is, again, just whether DeSantis can get a clean shot

00:05:54.200 at Trump or not. I think if he can, then I think he's got a good chance of being the nominee. I

00:06:00.180 think that if the race has a dozen different candidates, they're all peeling away one or

00:06:04.120 two percent of the vote. Again, I think that's to Trump's benefit. I would put Haley sort of in the

00:06:10.080 same camp. I don't think she's got a serious path to the nomination. I think she's sort of a Bush

00:06:17.500 Republican who's too out of touch with the base. You know, her, you know, her main issue that she

00:06:23.760 stressed in her announcement was this hawkishness towards Russia and China. Her most memorable

00:06:29.220 line was about applying her stiletto heels to stomping on those countries. I don't think that's

00:06:35.420 what the base is interested in right now. I think the base wants to hear how we're going to get out

00:06:39.400 of this escalatory spiral that we're in with Russia. You know, I think similarly, I think she's

00:06:45.540 out of step with the base on corporate interests. She's not really comfortable at being a culture

00:06:50.800 warrior on on cultural issues. She's not really threatening to corporate interests. I think the

00:06:56.760 base really wants a candidate who, like we talked about with DeSantis or like Vivek, is willing to

00:07:03.080 take on those issues. So I don't think she has a serious path to nomination, but I do think she

00:07:07.840 creates more of this sort of clutter in the race that makes it harder for DeSantis to get a clean shot.

00:07:14.580 And I think that's exactly why Trump was perfectly willing to bless her running when she called him

00:07:21.820 seeking his permission. So I think Trump wants as many of these establishment candidates in the race

00:07:29.040 as possible. You know, he'd love to have Pompeo in there, Pence in there, you know, and others

00:07:35.780 taking away establishment votes from DeSantis.

00:07:38.760 Yeah, Trump's got to gripe a little, you know, like he said, oh, she Nikki Haley has to follow her heart,

00:07:43.860 if not her honor, because she said she would not run if Trump were running. And now, of course, she is.

00:07:49.220 But we both know it's better for Trump to have her in. It's better for Trump to have as many in this race

00:07:55.000 as possible. So he'd love DeSantis to back out, but he loves the Tim Scotts, the Nikki Haley's, the Vivek

00:08:00.940 Ramaswamy's, the Mike Pence's. All of that is good for him. The thing about Nikki Haley's announcement,

00:08:05.740 you mentioned the stiletto. That jumped out at me, too. And let's talk about it. Here's the sound

00:08:10.340 in part, stop one.

00:08:12.780 Some people look at America and see vulnerability. The socialist left sees an opportunity to rewrite

00:08:20.440 history. China and Russia are on the march. They all think we can be bullied, kicked around. You

00:08:28.260 should know this about me. I don't put up with bullies. And when you kick back, it hurts them more

00:08:34.820 if you're wearing heels.

00:08:37.420 Oh, my God. I'm sorry. That was cringy. I like Nikki Haley. I'm cringing. First of all,

00:08:42.880 know what party you're running for. You're not a Democrat. The Republican Party is not about

00:08:47.580 identity politics. You go, girl. That's not our thing. Those of us who are on the right or center

00:08:53.500 right like me, we're sick of that nonsense. And she should know better. So why is she doing that?

00:08:58.320 Yeah. Maybe she can resurrect the catchphrase. I'm with her. Nikki Haley is the Republican that my

00:09:08.200 liberal Democrat friends on the all in pod wish the Republicans would nominate. They claim that if

00:09:14.360 only the crazy Republicans would nominate a sane Republican like Nikki Haley, that they would finally

00:09:21.940 be enticed to vote Republican. Like John McCain? Yeah. I have serious doubts about whether they

00:09:28.520 would actually do that. I remember that when the Republicans nominated, you know, a supposedly sane

00:09:33.540 respectable candidate like McCain, like Romney, the media still portrayed them as, you know, as a

00:09:39.520 Nazi. And the base stayed home. And the base stayed home. Exactly. So, you know, I have my doubts about

00:09:47.200 that. I think that, you know, what you're seeing in that video is sort of the traditional neocon

00:09:52.720 hawkishness where every bad thing that happens in the world is the result of America's failure to

00:09:59.640 project strength and power. That is their narrative. And I just think it's false. I mean, the American

00:10:07.040 military is the most lethal military force that the world's ever created. The United States is the most

00:10:13.480 powerful nation in the world by far. You know, we don't have a failure to project strength. I think

00:10:19.980 that conflict happens for other reasons. Certainly, it can happen because we fail to project deterrence,

00:10:26.800 but it's not the only reason it happens. It happens because of misunderstandings. It happens because

00:10:31.960 other nations have their own vital interests that they're willing to pursue. And it happens because

00:10:38.340 we are sometimes not willing to engage in negotiation over those vital interests. And I think

00:10:44.180 that that has a lot to do with the current conflict in Ukraine. I think the base of the party is very

00:10:50.180 concerned that we are escalating a conflict that Russia sees as existential for itself into a larger

00:10:57.120 war. We have no vital interest in who rules the Donbass, the sort of eastern portion of Ukraine. And yet,

00:11:04.360 we are continuing to get more and more involved in that war. And I think that the eventual Republican

00:11:11.680 nominee is going to speak to that. And you see, I think Trump is already wisely positioning himself

00:11:17.400 on that issue as more of a dove, which is why I think he's perfectly happy for Haley to come in

00:11:23.760 to the race as a hawk. He knows that's a loser.

00:11:26.100 Can I say, I think it's, it's, there's another piece to it as she talks, you know, so hawkishly

00:11:33.680 about Bella with such bellicosity about our, our military power and so on.

00:11:41.060 Her affect, her voice, her body language projects exactly the opposite. And this is a problem for her.

00:11:49.100 She reminds me in this announcement of Dr. Oz in Pennsylvania and some of the problems he had

00:11:55.260 not connecting. She, she's got a tiny little voice. I'm sorry. Again, I feel bad because Nikki

00:12:01.720 Haley is a nice person and I, she'd probably be a great leader, but we have to talk politics,

00:12:06.300 honestly, and how they work. And she's got a mousy little voice. She wasn't being authentic in that

00:12:13.160 tape. She sounded, she was obviously reading a script and she's not very good at it. You know,

00:12:18.040 there's nothing, it's not like the Trump, you know, coming down the escalator with a,

00:12:21.980 you know, off cuff, the stuff that you're like, what's happening. You can't take your eyes off

00:12:25.800 the screen. You can 100% take your eyes off the screen in that Nikki Haley announcement video.

00:12:30.280 And this is a problem for her as a politician. You know, I realized she rose to the top level in

00:12:35.060 South Carolina. And once you spend time with her, you really like her, but in a way she's

00:12:40.080 introducing herself to a national audience. And she, while she's speaking strong about strength,

00:12:45.160 she's projecting weakness.

00:12:48.040 Well, I think, I think you, you raise a great point that it feels rehearsed. It feels canned

00:12:53.140 and it's, it's kind of a throwback to that sort of Bush era Republicanism, the sort of

00:12:58.460 supposed compassionate conservatism. I think what the base wants is a combative conservatism. I think

00:13:04.660 they want a standard bearer to take on a corporate interest to take on the military industrial complex,

00:13:12.300 to take on wokeism in the schools, you know, in corporations, wherever they find it. And the only two candidates that I see that embody that are Trump and DeSantis, which is why I think those are the only two with a serious shot to get the nomination.

00:13:28.880 So I've, I'm feeling you on this, that it's now is not the time. The base doesn't, the Republican party, forget the base, is not really looking for genteel. Given the challenges ahead, they're not looking for genteel. They want a fighter, maybe even a bully on some levels.

00:13:44.780 And so, but, but the answer to that from some Republicans would be, what about Glenn Youngkin? You know, here's the fear of the fleece, remember with his fleece, little sweater vest thing. And he did win. And he was somebody in a state like Virginia, which is now blue. It's not even purple, uh, who could win with a disaffected Republican women who hated Trump. And they're important. That's an important voting constituency. If you want to win as a Republican in a general.

00:14:10.720 Yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm very impressed with Youngkin. I think he's a tremendous campaigner. I've, you know, I'm not from Virginia, but I've watched him campaign on TV. He has a way of addressing issues like schools in a, uh, more, uh, or, uh, more non-ideological way. He comes at it from the point of view of, we have to be excellent. We have to have opportunity. We need great schools to do that. Uh, and certainly, you know, the phenomenon of Woken schools also involves besides just sort of, um,

00:14:40.720 pumping ideology into young minds. It also involves a degradation of standards. It also involves the, you know, uh, uh, uh, uh, abolition of standardized tests and advanced math and even grades. This is what's happening in California. So I think he's got a compelling message, but, and I think, uh, and I like this sort of nice guy, um, affect that he has. I don't think he should try to be something he's not. Um, and I think it would play very well in a general. I think the guy is, is very electable

00:15:08.720 in a general, but I think the question really comes down to what is the base looking for right now. And I think Youngkin at this point would be more of a VP contender. I don't know that, um, he has a clean shot to get to top two. And I think his presence in the race again, uh, it really only serves, uh, the purpose of creating clutter for that benefits Trump. So, uh, you know, again, I think that for, for 2024, uh, for right now,

00:15:38.320 I think it's, it's a choice between the two more combative candidates that embody, I think the, the, um, the attitude of the Republican base right now. And if that doesn't work, then I think the, the party might turn to more of this, um, nice guy image, but I just don't think it's what it's looking for right now.

00:15:55.780 So David, we're talking about Glenn Youngkin. The thing about Glenn is he can't run for Virginia governor again, um, at least consecutively. So it's, I think it's right. It increases the chances he will throw his hat in the presidential ring.

00:16:13.620 And I know for a fact that a lot of folks connected with the RNC really like him. Um, he doesn't really have any baggage cause he hasn't been beaten up by the national press yet, uh, but they'll find some, you know, they'll get him. So that's, that's Glenn. Um, on that, moving on back to Nikki Haley, she just said this on camera. She, cause when she did her announcement, cause today's her official announcement. Uh, but when she did her little videotape thing that we were just playing, uh, she did not mention Trump,

00:16:39.520 but today she seems to be intimating that we may need, um, some, some competency tests for, uh, certain people of a certain age in presidential politics. And otherwise, listen to what she just said.

00:16:52.240 In the America, I see the permanent politician will finally retire.

00:17:01.220 Is she talking about herself?

00:17:03.260 We'll have term limits for Congress.

00:17:09.520 And mandatory mental competency tests for politicians over 75 years old.

00:17:20.640 So, yeah, obviously she's billing herself as the new generation. I mean, she's, I think 52. So yes, a lot younger. I mean, 30 years younger than Joe Biden and Donald Trump too.

00:17:32.660 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think, so I think she has a point that I think voters are sick of the gerontocracy that, you know, all of our leaders in Washington are, you know, around 80 or so just about, um, I guess there's been a change in the house recently.

00:17:49.660 So with Pelosi being replaced by Kevin McCarthy, but obviously Mitch McConnell, Joe Biden, they're all in the 80 ish range. Trump is getting close.

00:17:59.500 Although he doesn't, Trump doesn't read as, um, as someone much older now than, than he was when he was president.

00:18:06.400 So, but I, you know, I think she has a point there. I think, you know, again, Nikki Haley's problem is that, uh, the generation, uh, that she represents is really Bush era Republicanism.

00:18:17.100 And I think that the party or the base at least has really moved on and is looking for something different.

00:18:22.660 Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, she's 51 just to correct myself. I know when woman wants an extra year at tagged on there. Um, she is already coming under attack by the left.

00:18:33.380 Like to your point earlier, yes, she is the sort of Republican that a Democrat could love because she's a little bit more establishment, more quote mainstream.

00:18:42.120 Um, she's definitely not a bull in a China shop like Trump. Um, but they won't love her. The left never does.

00:18:50.620 They love these like sort of softer Republicans to get the nomination. And then as soon as they do like the Mitt Romney, they try to turn them into a white supremacist misogynist incarnate.

00:19:00.840 And here's just a sampling of what the view, the ladies over the view had to say about Nikki Haley, uh, just as a preview of where this is likely to go. Listen.

00:19:08.480 You used to actually have some sanity and knew right from wrong. Yes. And then you lost your mind.

00:19:16.660 She's part of the invasion of the body snatchers. You know, there are these, there are these politicians on the right who now have become like mentally crazy. You know, she's an election denier too, isn't she?

00:19:26.780 But she also backed Herschel Walker. And everyone I've been in with her, she's the smartest in the room.

00:19:30.960 I think she's very much a political grifter and a chameleon. And the bar is very low because it's on the ground.

00:19:40.180 But Nikki hasn't herself cast out on 2020 election.

00:19:43.060 She's not an election denier. She's an election denier adjacent.

00:19:47.040 That was Joy Behar having to read a statement from legal, correcting her own on air statement that she was an election denier.

00:19:55.740 She couldn't even get off the air without having to admit she had misstated the facts.

00:19:59.500 So, yeah, there's not going to be any love for the Republican candidate, no matter who it is.

00:20:03.780 That's right. I mean, the key word there was adjacent.

00:20:07.320 If being even proximate to the Republican cause is unacceptable in their view, they will never go for the, quote, sane Republican choice that they always claimed they would if the Republicans would just nominate that person.

00:20:19.780 You know, but I think, you know, Nikki Hitley's problem, it's not that she's left wing or liberal the way that the view wants her to be.

00:20:28.460 The issue, I think, for her in the Republican primary, she's just too establishment Republican.

00:20:34.140 She only appeals to that wing of the party.

00:20:37.220 Again, she is uncomfortable taking on corporate interests.

00:20:42.060 She's not comfortable taking on these sort of hot button cultural issues.

00:20:46.920 You know, her story about immigration is a personal story that I think is sort of inspiring and heartwarming.

00:20:52.660 But I don't think she's got a lot to say about illegal immigration.

00:20:55.620 And then, of course, on foreign policy, she's very much in line with the military industrial complex and the foreign policy establishment, the so-called blob that I think the Republican base has grown to suspect.

00:21:08.200 So her problem is she only appeals to the establishment wing of the party.

00:21:12.460 I think the nominee, first of all, has to appeal to the sort of more anti-establishment base and hopefully brings together the entire party.

00:21:22.520 In my view, only DeSantis can do that, you know, because I think he can appeal to both both sides of it.

00:21:30.240 But if you only appeal to one side or the other, you have to appeal to the base.

00:21:34.980 I love the view calling her a political grifter because she's waffled from time to time on Trump, things like that.

00:21:40.440 I guess it's no problem if, like, your name's Kamala Harris and you call Joe Biden a racist at a presidential debate and then run as his VP.

00:21:48.400 That's not that's not grifting. That's just good politics.

00:21:51.740 Let's talk about Trump DeSantis, because that's obviously the main fight.

00:21:54.540 And all these other people can throw their hats in the ring as much as they want.

00:21:56.900 But we all know where the main event is.

00:21:58.580 Tim Scott, by the way, also now meeting.

00:22:01.860 He's doing something in South Carolina.

00:22:03.040 And that'll be interesting. Tim Scott versus Nikki Haley on the South Carolina vote.

00:22:06.720 But he's also going to get into this race from the sound of it.

00:22:09.800 So there will be a lot of people, Pompeo, Pence and so on.

00:22:12.000 Trump versus DeSantis is already starting to get ugly.

00:22:15.880 Trump being Trump is taking aim at DeSantis in some weird ways.

00:22:21.700 I have to be honest. I didn't expect this.

00:22:23.880 He shared a post on his Truth Social from somebody that said,

00:22:29.360 Ron DeSantis was having a drink party with his students when he was a high school teacher.

00:22:34.500 Having drinks with underage girls and cuddling with them certainly looks pretty gross.

00:22:40.480 And a long word that I don't know what it means.

00:22:43.420 Effa-Bofilia-esque? Effa-Bofilia-esque?

00:22:46.340 Along with a picture that purports to show DeSantis with blurred out images of young women.

00:22:51.900 Producers telling me these girls reportedly attended Darlington School,

00:22:55.200 where Governor DeSantis previously taught history.

00:22:58.980 Earlier, some publication called The Hill Reporter reported an exclusive story in the photograph.

00:23:04.500 And these allegations in October 2021 saying DeSantis was about five years older than the girls at the time.

00:23:09.740 They were seniors in high school.

00:23:11.200 Trump responded this by saying, no way, with a question mark.

00:23:14.300 And then went on from there.

00:23:15.980 So DeSantis is now having to deal with stuff like this crap.

00:23:19.340 I mean, I have to say, David, it's pretty rich for Trump, given his history with women,

00:23:24.520 to be trying to go here with Ron DeSantis, who this is not,

00:23:28.960 there was no actual whiff of impropriety here.

00:23:31.640 And DeSantis hasn't had a whiff of impropriety when it comes to women.

00:23:35.420 Yeah, I think Trump is struggling to find the right attack vector on DeSantis.

00:23:40.340 You remember he first tried to brand him as Ron DeSantis demonious.

00:23:43.680 That didn't take off.

00:23:44.680 It didn't connect at all.

00:23:45.700 Then he tried to relabel him as shut down Ron,

00:23:49.800 which was laughable in light of the fact that DeSantis is so well known for opposing lockdowns.

00:23:57.060 And then, you know, more recently, he's been calling him meatball Ron.

00:24:01.040 I'm not quite sure what the point of that is.

00:24:02.480 I don't know if that's...

00:24:03.520 He's trying to say he's fat.

00:24:05.420 Yeah, I didn't know if it was that or a dig on his Italian-American ancestry or something like that.

00:24:11.280 Once again, why is Trump calling anybody fat?

00:24:13.500 Like, please, take a seat.

00:24:15.200 Right, exactly.

00:24:15.780 So none of these things have connected.

00:24:18.200 I think this groomer accusation he made is in a similar category.

00:24:22.780 And I think the fundamental problem here is that these are left-wing attacks on DeSantis.

00:24:28.880 It's an attack that a member of the liberal media would make on DeSantis.

00:24:33.640 And for that reason, I think the base has either brushed off these attacks or even, I think, been sympathetic towards DeSantis.

00:24:44.980 I think these attacks have backfired against Trump.

00:24:48.280 And I think DeSantis has handled it really well.

00:24:50.800 What's his response been?

00:24:51.900 He hasn't responded directly.

00:24:53.340 He's kind of shrugged it off and said, look, who has put points on the board?

00:24:57.360 Who's winning his elections by greater margins?

00:25:00.340 Who's having coattails in his state and with congressional districts in his state?

00:25:05.480 And who is actually delivering on legislative victories, not just tweeting about things?

00:25:10.820 So he's indirectly hit at Trump in terms of his effectiveness.

00:25:16.600 So I think that Trump is still struggling to find the right attack on DeSantis.

00:25:22.060 Meatball, Ron.

00:25:23.020 You said also shut down Ron, which is also rich.

00:25:26.120 I mean, you know, given that Trump was president during that whole thing.

00:25:28.540 But DeSantis responded as followed when asked by a reporter about it.

00:25:33.620 Quote, I spend my time delivering results for the people of Florida and fighting against Joe Biden.

00:25:38.400 That's how I spend my time.

00:25:40.080 I don't spend my time trying to smear other Republicans.

00:25:42.980 That's fine.

00:25:43.500 He's going high road.

00:25:44.740 Can't stay there forever.

00:25:46.380 Trump will get you eventually.

00:25:47.660 They will start slinging.

00:25:49.300 Yeah, I think this is the right approach for DeSantis to take right now when he's not officially in the race.

00:25:54.120 He's a sitting governor.

00:25:55.000 He should focus on governing and delivering these legislative victories the way that he did with schools, the way that he's doing with ESG, the way that he did with Disney.

00:26:04.720 I think that's a smart play from right now.

00:26:06.180 But I agree with you that at some point they're going to get on a debate stage.

00:26:10.600 Hopefully it's a one on one race by that point.

00:26:13.340 And I think at that point it's going to be unavoidable that DeSantis will have to take on Trump and attack him the way that Trump is trying to attack DeSantis.

00:26:23.500 And I guess my view on how DeSantis can do that effectively is this.

00:26:29.400 I think that DeSantis must attack Trump from the right, not from the left.

00:26:35.000 I think there are many ways to do that.

00:26:37.560 I think first and foremost, he can point out that the main reason Trump lost re-election is he listened to Fauci on COVID and he endorsed the shutdown, the lockdowns of our entire economy, which tanked the economy.

00:26:51.480 And I think that was the primary reason why he lost his re-election is that he basically got euchred by Fauci.

00:26:58.620 I think he can also go there with vaccines.

00:27:00.560 I mean, Trump endorsed the vaccines.

00:27:03.300 He made it a central talking point.

00:27:05.500 He made Operation Warp Speed a huge priority of his administration.

00:27:10.640 I think you could say at this point that the vaccines, at this point no one really believes in their efficacy.

00:27:17.640 The safety data is mixed.

00:27:19.360 It resulted in billions of dollars going to big pharma.

00:27:22.140 It was less good for, I think, the people of the country.

00:27:25.220 I think there's other ways to attack him.

00:27:26.760 I think DeSantis can say that the wall was a great idea, but Trump didn't get it done.

00:27:32.660 And as a result of that, Biden was able to stop the construction and millions of migrants have flowed through.

00:27:38.880 I think on Afghanistan, DeSantis can point out that Trump had four years to get us out of Afghanistan.

00:27:46.380 And he waited until literally the last few months of his office, where it was like this afterthought.

00:27:51.440 Oh, wait, maybe I should get us out, thereby leaving for the issue for Biden, who did get us out, but in a very messy way.

00:27:58.800 And I think even on Ukraine, I think that DeSantis can point out that Trump perpetuated the Obama-Biden policy of wanting to bring Ukraine into NATO.

00:28:10.820 And Trump went further and flooded the zone with weapons, and both of those things helped precipitate this war.

00:28:19.200 I think that we could have easily avoided this war if we had simply taken NATO expansion off the table.

00:28:24.420 That was the Russians' central demand.

00:28:26.400 So I think there are vectors of attack here that would be popular with the base.

00:28:31.900 And that is the way to basically dethrone Trump, is not to make left-wing attacks on him.

00:28:38.260 It's to make right-wing attacks on him.

00:28:40.660 And let's face it, the Republican establishment has nowhere else to go.

00:28:45.360 So DeSantis does not have to worry about losing them.

00:28:48.380 And I think that is the path for DeSantis here.

00:28:52.680 I just, I mean, experience with Trump tells me that you can try not to get personal with him.

00:28:58.520 Not me, personally. I never did.

00:29:00.100 But I watched Ted Cruz. I watched Marco Rubio. I watched them all.

00:29:03.800 He will pinch one nerve that gets you.

00:29:07.840 I will predict right now with Ron DeSantis, it'll be something about his wife.

00:29:11.540 Because he will protect his wife.

00:29:13.440 And Trump knows it.

00:29:14.940 And that's how he baits you into saying something.

00:29:17.040 And it starts, like, Trump revels in the mudslinging.

00:29:20.380 You know, it's the old, don't get in a fight with the pig, right?

00:29:23.200 Because the pig, you get dirty and the pig enjoys it.

00:29:25.600 And that's kind of, that's the way Trump fights.

00:29:28.720 It's one of the reasons the base loves him, because he fights that way when he's taken on people like Merrick Garland, too.

00:29:33.980 When he's taken on the FBI, when he's, like, they love that about him.

00:29:37.260 He'll get DeSantis eventually.

00:29:38.600 They will be slinging the mud.

00:29:40.040 They'll both be in the sty, rolling around in it.

00:29:43.220 If DeSantis is the one who finds a way to avoid that, he'll be the very first one ever.

00:29:46.900 Well, I think DeSantis should point out that, you know, that on the issues, I think that there may not be a huge amount of difference in terms of the issues.

00:29:59.900 I think both of them do a good job channeling the instincts of the base.

00:30:04.560 The issue, I think, is effectiveness.

00:30:06.920 Who actually is delivering victories?

00:30:09.240 Who's actually growing their margins of victories?

00:30:12.420 Who actually is winning elections and has coattails?

00:30:15.020 Remember, Trump basically has – we've now had three losing elections, two midterms and then 2020, with Trump at the head of the ticket.

00:30:25.360 So I think DeSantis can make a case here that, A, he's more electable, and, B, he has a history of getting more done, delivering more victories.

00:30:35.540 And I think the reason for that –

00:30:36.780 I don't know. I mean, Trump got a lot done when he was in the White House.

00:30:39.320 A lot – he just – he's out of office right now.

00:30:41.000 What could he possibly be achieving at the moment?

00:30:42.760 And the thing is, like DeSantis, he hasn't been tested by the media the way Trump has, not even close.

00:30:50.720 Yeah, I mean, so I think that Trump in his first two years got some things done.

00:30:56.140 Remember, he passed that big tax cut and so on.

00:30:58.720 But that was more of Mitch McConnell and the establishment of the party.

00:31:03.700 He started to build the wall, didn't complete it.

00:31:06.840 He ran on a campaign –

00:31:07.040 He got three Supreme Court justices confirmed.

00:31:09.020 Yes, he did, but that was, again –

00:31:11.880 Under very contentious circumstances where any other president would have been weak-kneed and caved on somebody like a Kavanaugh.

00:31:18.200 That is what made a lot of Republicans love Trump and realize his kind of fighting works.

00:31:23.520 Fair enough. I mean, look, fair enough, Megan.

00:31:25.820 But do you really doubt that DeSantis would choose from a different list of nominees?

00:31:33.200 It's not about choosing. No, it's not about choosing. It's about buckling when the serious pressure comes.

00:31:39.020 And DeSantis has a good history on this.

00:31:40.440 I'm just saying, to suggest that Trump didn't accomplish a lot in the office is not true.

00:31:44.760 He did.

00:31:45.540 And actually, some bipartisan things that a lot of Republicans may not like.

00:31:49.020 But Trump was an effective legislator if you look at what he did policy-wise.

00:31:53.420 I mean, I could go down the list, right?

00:31:54.620 The Anti-Sex Trafficking Act, the prison reform that he did.

00:31:58.620 These are things that the left loved.

00:32:00.500 Tax reform for the Republicans, the Supreme Court, as I mentioned.

00:32:03.780 I mean, there's a lot that left Republicans really have.

00:32:06.680 Not to mention the rollback of regulations, which fired up the economy and business in a way we hadn't seen in a long time.

00:32:12.760 So Trump, his weakness is his mouth.

00:32:17.500 It's his thumbs.

00:32:18.840 It's his tweeting.

00:32:19.840 It's not his policy.

00:32:20.900 Yeah, I mean, I agree with that.

00:32:24.360 I think it's a lack of personal and message discipline.

00:32:26.860 I mean, that's basically his problem.

00:32:28.180 And that's the big contrast with DeSantis.

00:32:29.980 I agree it's less about issues and more about personal style.

00:32:34.320 And that was another thing, by the way, restoring due process for young men accused on college campuses while maintaining a fair procedure for the women accusing them.

00:32:41.920 Can we do Dianne Feinstein for a minute?

00:32:44.000 Because since Nikki Haley is bringing up competency tests for people over 75, wish somebody would give one of those to Dianne Feinstein right now.

00:32:51.600 So you're in California.

00:32:52.660 She was a mayor of San Francisco.

00:32:54.300 Now she's a U.S. senator and has been for a long, long time announcing her retirement.

00:32:58.620 It's embarrassing.

00:32:59.380 So she's 89, which, by the way, is I think what Joe Biden would be at the end of a second term, right?

00:33:04.300 He'd be closer at least to 86 or 80 or up there.

00:33:08.660 He would be 86.

00:33:11.680 She she made it at the announcement yesterday and didn't seem to be aware that she had made the announcement.

00:33:17.540 Here's the audio of her being confused about whether she had, in fact, announced her retirement or not.

00:33:24.660 Well, I haven't made that decision.

00:33:26.860 I haven't released anything.

00:33:29.160 It will be my plan.

00:33:30.780 You put out the statement.

00:33:33.240 Oh, my God.

00:33:33.960 I didn't know they put it out.

00:33:37.600 So it is what it is.

00:33:40.540 I think the time has come.

00:33:42.180 I have a whole other year.

00:33:45.220 This is so it's upsetting that she has a whole other year, but she doesn't even know whether she's announcing her retirement or not.

00:33:50.540 And this is on the heels of a San Francisco Chronicle, I think it was, report with a top Democrat who sat with her and was horrified that in the course of 15 minutes she forgot his name something like six times.

00:34:01.240 They were sounding the alarm behind the scenes saying she needs to be forced out.

00:34:04.260 Like, this is not a competent person.

00:34:05.560 As wonderful as her history of serving the country has been, regardless of your politics, she should not be in office.

00:34:12.220 But she's not leaving right now.

00:34:42.220 We have another year plus with her and with John Fetterman, who the hell knows what he's understanding and not understanding.

00:34:49.520 Just got out of the hospital.

00:34:50.300 Like, these are our leaders, David.

00:34:52.520 It's quite disconcerting.

00:34:53.860 Yeah, I agree.

00:34:57.500 I mean, look, in California, it's a one party state.

00:35:03.520 And so the party effectively decides within itself who the who the candidate is going to be.

00:35:11.160 And incumbency is a very, very powerful force, especially in Senate elections.

00:35:15.040 I don't think one incumbent lost in the in the Senate races of 22.

00:35:21.520 Maybe you feel better if you look at the top dog over on the Democratic side, Joe Biden himself, because rest assured, notwithstanding your lying eyes and ears over the past few years, Joe Biden is an effective communicator.

00:35:33.980 Just ask the other effective communicator in the White House, Kareen Jean-Pierre in a soundbite.

00:35:40.120 You really have to hear to believe.

00:35:41.360 Here it is.

00:35:42.440 KJP on Tuesday.

00:35:43.280 I will tell you this.

00:35:45.600 The president is the best communicator that we have in the White House.

00:35:48.380 Bridge over the of the of the Holly River.

00:35:52.560 Look, and Warshaw or excuse me, Washoe County in Nevada.

00:35:59.940 Yeah, that was her touting him as the great communicator and an example of him, I guess, doing that.

00:36:07.820 Yeah, I mean, yeah.

00:36:10.180 What can you say there?

00:36:11.700 I think that they're starting to tee up Biden, though, for 24.

00:36:16.460 I think the main theme that you saw in State of the Union is two things.

00:36:20.780 One is they're taking a page out of Bill Clinton's playbook, and they seem to be emphasizing small ball issues, kind of like Bill Clinton focused on school uniforms.

00:36:29.880 Biden is focusing on things like ticket master fees and red light signals.

00:36:34.860 And then the other thing they're doing is portraying Biden as the protector of middle class entitlements.

00:36:40.920 It's like Social Security and Medicare against these Republicans who want to cut them.

00:36:45.280 So I think that's what they're teeing up for 24.

00:36:48.400 And they're trying to now pretend after Biden has really spent two years governing like Elizabeth Warren.

00:36:55.020 They're trying to pretend that he's Bill Clinton.

00:36:57.640 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:58.780 Which absolutely nobody is going to buy.

00:37:00.420 I mean, I just like it's very sad to me that that this is what we're stuck with.

00:37:05.320 Karine Jean-Pierre, who can't get two sentences out and doesn't even understand NORAD or that Canada is called Canada and not Canadia.

00:37:13.380 And her boss, who's not much better than she is.

00:37:16.200 David Sachs, always a pleasure, my friend.

00:37:17.820 Thank you for being here.

00:37:19.480 Absolutely.

00:37:20.440 Good to see you, Megan.

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00:38:06.080 Two of my best friends in the world are joining me now right here on set in Las Vegas, Nevada.

00:38:11.720 Yael Denbo and Joelle Cosentino for a chat on friendship, parenting, and some of the craziest celeb news that we are looking at right now.

00:38:19.520 Ladies, thanks for being here.

00:38:20.740 Hi, Lani.

00:38:21.140 Thank you.

00:38:22.140 The Blanc Garage descended on Las Vegas.

00:38:26.380 Thank you for having us.

00:38:27.540 This is so fun and so cool to be here.

00:38:30.260 It's my pleasure.

00:38:31.220 So this is, just so the audience understands, these are two of the ladies I met in New York.

00:38:36.200 And I'm always telling everybody how all my New York friends are liberals, but it's a little more complicated in New York cases.

00:38:42.820 But we met back when our daughters, how old were our daughters when we first met?

00:38:46.480 Two and three.

00:38:47.140 They were in the polar bear room with Miss Brenna.

00:38:50.280 Shout out, Miss Brenna.

00:38:51.320 That's right.

00:38:52.240 So we met just as like harried, young-ish, in my case, or you were actually young, Joelle, New York moms trying to like get our kids to school and manage strollers in the New York City subway and the Montclair school system, which is up and down.

00:39:06.380 It had its challenges.

00:39:08.160 It was awesome.

00:39:09.160 It was a really great time and tough years.

00:39:13.540 Yeah.

00:39:13.840 And we all banded together so quickly.

00:39:15.840 And you were, and to some extent remain, a single mom, Joelle.

00:39:21.340 And such a scrapper.

00:39:23.200 Like, you had Barlow.

00:39:25.660 You didn't have much support.

00:39:27.840 You were in New York trying to build your dance company and make it on your own, living in a studio apartment, like hustling, just trying to pay the bills.

00:39:35.420 I love this about her.

00:39:36.360 She's just like, never say die.

00:39:38.300 Thank you.

00:39:38.800 Yeah.

00:39:39.020 Those were tough times, but you guys made it a lot easier.

00:39:42.240 I mean, you guys were at every show.

00:39:44.500 Even when Trump was coming after you, you'd be sitting front row at my show, like the next day.

00:39:48.440 Loved it.

00:39:48.860 Well, you know what's so great?

00:39:49.740 Because you, this microphone's kind of giving me problems.

00:39:53.200 I'm trying to fix it.

00:39:55.280 During that whole time, and it was so crazy with Trump and the election and all that, I remember many times where something else would blow up.

00:40:01.880 Like, he'd do some attack on me, and we'd have to have a meeting at Fox.

00:40:04.600 And I would literally just drop Yardley off to wherever you were, and you'd be like, we got her, and she'd be with your girls.

00:40:10.300 And that's one of the reasons, like, and all the other women who are out here are also from the same group of moms who had kids at this school.

00:40:17.560 And all these moms would just help each other, right?

00:40:19.660 Like, the daughters would help each other.

00:40:20.860 The moms would help each other.

00:40:21.820 It was a crazy time.

00:40:23.080 Get play dates.

00:40:23.740 It was great.

00:40:24.320 We're such a great group.

00:40:25.420 I love our group.

00:40:26.180 Oh.

00:40:26.640 Yeah.

00:40:26.980 One other nice story.

00:40:27.820 So, then I moved to NBC, and one of the first things I did was interview Vladimir Putin.

00:40:34.600 And I did not, like, it was going to air.

00:40:37.800 The big, long interview that I did with him was going to air on a Sunday night, and I didn't talk to the girls about it.

00:40:42.920 They knew from promos and so on.

00:40:44.680 Next thing I know, it's about to air.

00:40:46.100 It's like 30 minutes to air.

00:40:47.920 They all show up at my apartment.

00:40:49.920 They're like, MK, we are watching this together.

00:40:52.700 You are not sitting here in your apartment.

00:40:54.460 Just you and Doug, like, this is a moment.

00:40:56.800 It was just so nice.

00:40:57.760 You guys have always been so sweet and so sweet.

00:40:59.100 Well, first we went to Tessa, and we did shots of vodka, Russian vodka first.

00:41:03.580 I don't know if you remember that.

00:41:04.860 We gave you the bottle of Russian vodka.

00:41:06.660 I mean, how often is your best friend going over to Russia and interviewing Vladimir Putin?

00:41:11.600 No.

00:41:11.920 I mean, it was amazing.

00:41:12.760 Although, in my guess, it happened a few times.

00:41:14.480 Yeah, that's right.

00:41:15.040 Exactly.

00:41:15.540 But, yeah, it's rare.

00:41:17.180 So, and now, Yael, you have been somebody who, we're not going to go political, but we've gotten very close over the past couple of years.

00:41:23.260 The COVID craziness.

00:41:25.040 Oh, wow.

00:41:25.740 And you really have been living it.

00:41:27.320 Joelle moved to Florida.

00:41:28.360 That's right.

00:41:29.040 But you have been in the thick of the COVID craziness with your kids, not going to school, all that BS.

00:41:35.360 And you were there for me when my son was in school for 15 days, literally one year.

00:41:41.080 I mean, you were there for me.

00:41:42.400 It was unbelievable.

00:41:43.700 It was.

00:41:44.480 It's insane.

00:41:45.340 It was insane.

00:41:45.840 People, like, because there's a study in the news just today about the mental health damage that's been caused, in particular, to teenage girls.

00:41:54.100 And while they're not saying, oh, it was due to COVID, it was clearly in large part due to COVID, or the most recent.

00:41:59.220 The COVID policies.

00:42:00.340 Yeah, the COVID policies.

00:42:01.360 Thank you.

00:42:01.880 Good verification.

00:42:03.200 Yeah.

00:42:03.780 Right?

00:42:04.100 And it's like, you became one of those sort of mother warriors trying to fight, like, seeing that coming toward your kids.

00:42:10.220 You have a boy and a girl.

00:42:11.400 And trying to say, like, I want to speak up.

00:42:14.280 Like, I'm not, I'm not naturally inclined to be a confrontational person.

00:42:18.000 Right.

00:42:18.520 But I need to speak up.

00:42:19.900 Yeah.

00:42:20.160 They needed to be in school.

00:42:21.880 They needed to be around friends.

00:42:23.520 They needed to learn.

00:42:24.700 I was really pushing for it.

00:42:25.980 Yeah.

00:42:26.300 Yeah.

00:42:26.680 It was hard.

00:42:27.380 It was tough.

00:42:27.820 Now, do you feel like, have you changed dramatically?

00:42:30.980 Forget politics, but like, just you as a woman, do you feel like these past couple of years have?

00:42:34.960 Yes.

00:42:35.760 Yes.

00:42:36.020 It's been a great growing experience, the whole thing.

00:42:38.500 Yeah.

00:42:38.920 And you too, like, Joelle, you've been out there, like.

00:42:42.820 I'm a Floridian.

00:42:43.700 Well, you're a New Jersey.

00:42:46.020 I'm a Jersey Floridian.

00:42:47.780 You're a Jersey native, which is where you get your fighting spirit.

00:42:50.100 That's right.

00:42:50.560 By way of Los Angeles.

00:42:51.940 So that brings me to today's news, which is, I want to kick it off with a terrible bullying incident.

00:42:57.860 The couple of them, right?

00:42:59.220 There was that hideous bus beat down that we saw out of Florida.

00:43:02.140 And then we just saw this young girl in, in New Jersey, um, beaten in the, in the school, uh, by a girl who they said had been targeting her for a while.

00:43:14.460 And then she took her own life.

00:43:16.160 She, she died by suicide a couple of days later.

00:43:19.260 How old?

00:43:20.000 Uh, 14 years old.

00:43:21.220 Oh my God.

00:43:22.260 And, uh, there's, forgive me, there is video of the, the beating that took place in the school.

00:43:26.240 We'll show it in just a bit.

00:43:27.200 We'll show it in just a bit.

00:43:57.200 So they're beating the hell out of this girl for the listening audience and the girl's down.

00:44:05.660 She's down on the ground and they continue beating.

00:44:08.500 And two days later, she killed herself.

00:44:10.840 She took her own life at 14 years old.

00:44:14.160 So now the superintendent decides it would be a good idea to come out and comment on the fact that that girl's mother supposedly, according to him, took her own life not long before.

00:44:23.860 And he mentions the fact that the dad had an affair and moved his affair partner into the home.

00:44:30.000 Superintendent, shut the F up.

00:44:31.960 Yeah.

00:44:32.240 Just be quiet.

00:44:33.040 All right.

00:44:33.280 The family's going through enough.

00:44:34.560 If he made some marital mistakes, that's, but just be quiet as the girl has just died.

00:44:38.640 Oh my God.

00:44:39.320 And we both have young daughters who are now, right now going into this phase where like bullying.

00:44:44.220 This is when it happens, middle school into young high school.

00:44:47.640 This mean girls stuff is happening.

00:44:49.660 It's just, I see it.

00:44:51.040 It's started.

00:44:51.760 It's sickening.

00:44:52.740 Yeah.

00:44:53.460 What's so alarming about that video though, is most of the time with bullying with young girls, it's covert.

00:44:58.280 They, they don't leave a trace.

00:44:59.840 They know how to do it.

00:45:00.920 It's, it's really underground.

00:45:02.140 But that girl is getting beat up at school and they still blame the girl or the, the girl's family circumstance.

00:45:11.020 I mean, why wasn't something done earlier there?

00:45:13.440 That's insane.

00:45:14.160 That's exactly right.

00:45:14.680 And that's what her dad is asking.

00:45:15.940 Why didn't, why weren't the police called?

00:45:18.000 The dad went to the police after this beating, but the school didn't call the police and other parents at the school are saying, this is a pattern.

00:45:24.660 They never, they never like, you'll get a suspension, but it's a slap on the wrist.

00:45:28.840 So that's, that's a day off as opposed to like real consequences.

00:45:32.420 But it's not just covert because now it's also online.

00:45:34.760 It's the bullying's not happening on Snapchat and Tik TOK.

00:45:37.900 They're also, you can capture these.

00:45:39.600 These are here forever on Instagram.

00:45:41.700 So they're there.

00:45:43.240 They're doing it to each other.

00:45:44.580 I know.

00:45:44.940 In this public forum.

00:45:46.140 That's why if like you let your kid on social media, you have to spy on them.

00:45:50.160 Yes, you do.

00:45:50.960 You've got to take a look at the comments coming in their way.

00:45:53.340 It's like, they say this, the cyber bullying is like the, the most pernicious.

00:45:57.820 Like we've heard testimonials from parents talking about how their kids got cyber bullied and then did something drastic.

00:46:04.860 So what's happening with these girls?

00:46:06.440 What's how many girls are there?

00:46:07.840 Now there's four girls who are in trouble and who are facing criminal charge.

00:46:12.900 Now the cops are involved, accusing them of harassment and assault and conspiracy to commit assault.

00:46:18.240 Um, but that didn't happen until the girl took her own life.

00:46:22.380 And the thing is, if you had taken the suicide out of it, like there is a debate to be had about whether you call the cops every time there's an assault at a school, because sometimes kids fight, especially I'm thinking about boys in particular.

00:46:36.840 You have a boy, I have two boys.

00:46:38.760 Sometimes they, they are more likely to throw a fist.

00:46:41.100 This was girls, but like, do we want to criminalize every?

00:46:46.240 Was there anything up leading, leading up to this?

00:46:48.880 Was just this an isolated incident?

00:46:50.560 Was, was there more?

00:46:51.180 No, they had called the school multiple times.

00:46:52.800 Okay.

00:46:53.020 So this wasn't, so there's been a pattern that's bullying.

00:46:55.820 It's a pattern of, of behavior.

00:46:59.140 So there should have been maybe intervention.

00:47:01.040 They should have called the cops.

00:47:02.440 I mean, she's really getting her butt kicked.

00:47:04.780 That's terrible.

00:47:05.440 Do you think it's situational where it's like, it's got to look like that or anytime hands get laid on it, like a kid punches another kid, the cops are involved.

00:47:12.560 It's a really tough question.

00:47:14.040 It's a really tough question.

00:47:15.460 But if that were my daughter and the cops weren't called, I'd be upset.

00:47:19.940 You, all right.

00:47:20.480 So Joelle, you need to know how true that is.

00:47:23.060 Joelle is from, she is a Jersey girl at heart.

00:47:26.780 So she, back when we were all in New York together, some kid on the school bus made the mistake of messing with Barlow, Joelle's daughter.

00:47:39.540 And again, you got to understand, she's a single mom.

00:47:42.020 You know, we talk about this a lot.

00:47:42.960 She did not have like the partner to help her navigate this.

00:47:46.540 It's, it's hard, so hard, even if you do have that.

00:47:48.820 And if you're on your own, so she's trying to look out for her kid and Barlow's getting bullied on the bus.

00:47:55.120 And what Joelle did reminded me of this classic scene.

00:47:59.660 We've pulled the clip from the movie Hand That Rocks the Cradle, starring Rebecca DeMornay, who, she was the nanny who was getting a little too close to the family and really wanted to sort of replace the wife in this movie and the mother.

00:48:13.080 And she had just been told by her charge, the young daughter, that there was a little boy in a certain shirt who had been bullying her.

00:48:20.000 And this is what happened next.

00:48:21.820 I got a message for you, Roth.

00:48:37.460 Leave Emma alone.

00:48:39.080 Look at me.

00:48:39.420 If you don't, I'm going to rip your fucking head off.

00:48:43.200 Ow!

00:48:44.520 Get it, man!

00:48:45.740 Let me go!

00:48:47.200 Don't forget it.

00:48:48.160 Joelle, does this look familiar?

00:48:53.100 Yeah, well, you know.

00:48:54.360 Is that your inspo for what happened next?

00:48:55.620 Well, I love that clip.

00:48:58.260 I love her, Rebecca DeMornay.

00:48:59.860 I've actually met her.

00:49:00.520 She's very nice.

00:49:02.360 My daughter told me she was getting, Barlow was getting bullied, and I had an out-of-body experience walking to the bus.

00:49:08.280 And then all of a sudden, I was just standing on the bus.

00:49:11.020 Like, I don't have any recollection of how I got there.

00:49:14.380 And then I explained to the kid what I expected to happen from this day forward.

00:49:19.280 And then I think they tried to tell me to get off the bus.

00:49:22.200 I told them, please step away from me.

00:49:24.340 And then I was afraid I was going to, I was afraid the cops were going to come to my house.

00:49:27.820 I called my sister-in-law.

00:49:28.760 So I ended up going to the school, and I tried to work it out there.

00:49:31.700 But I doubled down.

00:49:32.740 I didn't hold back.

00:49:33.600 Our friend Christina, we were reliving this last night at dinner.

00:49:35.920 Our friend Christina is like, good, I'm glad you got yelled at.

00:49:39.020 You were being inappropriate.

00:49:40.280 You should not have been on that bus.

00:49:42.020 She was yelling at me last night to put my shoes back on at the table.

00:49:44.900 Some things don't change.

00:49:45.840 You took your shoes off?

00:49:46.820 Yeah.

00:49:47.960 Why are you always undressing when we're out to dinner?

00:49:50.480 Oh, God.

00:49:50.900 Can I tell a story about Joelle?

00:49:52.160 Oh, no.

00:49:53.160 Okay, my favorite story about you, and I have a photo I sent.

00:49:57.780 Is this Amaranth?

00:49:59.140 Is that the restaurant?

00:50:00.100 Yes.

00:50:00.600 So we were at this restaurant for our birthday, sitting in the back by the kitchen, a big group of us.

00:50:05.060 And it was so hot in the restaurant.

00:50:06.540 I don't know why.

00:50:07.200 Yeah, we were, and she was wearing a turtleneck.

00:50:09.540 You're wearing your, you're in your turtleneck face.

00:50:11.140 Yeah, this is when we were all trying to dress like chivrois.

00:50:14.080 From, okay, okay, yeah.

00:50:15.680 She was wearing turtlenecks like crazy.

00:50:18.600 You're sweating.

00:50:19.620 And you're like, what am I going to do?

00:50:21.100 And I was like, I have a scarf, my Chanel scarf.

00:50:23.360 And I gave it to you.

00:50:24.120 You go into the restroom.

00:50:25.460 You come out and, I don't know, you come out and you made the scarf like a piece of art.

00:50:31.000 Only Joelle can make this scarf look like a piece of art.

00:50:35.320 She looks, I mean, I sent the photo.

00:50:36.900 She looks beautiful.

00:50:38.480 She, this is a pattern because when we did our Victorian lady tea.

00:50:43.340 Wait, did you strip them too?

00:50:45.360 She did.

00:50:46.160 I had them to my house at the Jersey Shore one year.

00:50:50.420 It was a birthday, it was a birthday party.

00:50:52.160 And I rented these fun Victorian lady costumes.

00:50:55.240 And we had a Victorian tea and we had a horse drawn buggy take us to dinner.

00:51:00.400 And we had a string quartet.

00:51:02.820 It was actually really fun.

00:51:04.140 And we went out to dinner at this place that kind of has that vibe of like, you know, time travel.

00:51:09.000 And you took off your dress there too.

00:51:11.020 I don't remember that.

00:51:12.100 At the restaurant?

00:51:12.760 Yes.

00:51:12.940 I, I'm, I'm sensitive with temperatures and I got really hot.

00:51:16.440 So I just took it off.

00:51:17.540 So yes, you are so artistic.

00:51:19.860 I love that so much about you.

00:51:21.440 And that birthday, that weekend, that Victorian weekend, what I love so much about you.

00:51:25.940 You're so thoughtful.

00:51:26.720 It was your birthday and you put together an epic weekend.

00:51:30.340 And when we arrive and you have costumes, the quartet, the table was set up with pastries.

00:51:39.880 Do you remember that?

00:51:40.780 It was amazing.

00:51:41.700 Abby was there.

00:51:42.940 And then we're, okay, we're going to go out to dinner.

00:51:44.520 Okay, let's get in your car.

00:51:45.980 No, we go outside.

00:51:47.220 There is a carriage.

00:51:48.760 It's freezing and horse and carriage.

00:51:50.740 We go outside.

00:51:51.240 And remember the police escort home?

00:51:53.260 Yes.

00:51:53.800 We got pulled over three times.

00:51:55.300 Yeah.

00:51:55.560 The place was like a mile away.

00:51:56.920 We got pulled over three times because we were going too slow.

00:51:58.920 It's like, dude, it's winter.

00:52:00.660 No one is here.

00:52:01.660 Get off of our case.

00:52:02.680 Yeah, literally.

00:52:03.360 It was police harassment.

00:52:04.740 Yeah, it was.

00:52:06.160 It was so.

00:52:06.580 But they saw you and you were waving.

00:52:07.680 They were like, oh, okay, no problem.

00:52:09.600 You were so thoughtful.

00:52:10.780 I mean, that was such you that you're, you love costumes and it's so fun and everyone

00:52:15.800 knows you as serious, but you have this whole fun side with your costumes.

00:52:19.260 I do.

00:52:19.900 And karaoke.

00:52:21.500 What about, what about the night in Paris when we all came back and Megan was like,

00:52:26.380 everybody has to come to my room because we have to play murder in the dark.

00:52:30.740 That was one year ago.

00:52:31.920 Exactly.

00:52:32.320 That was March of last year.

00:52:33.600 I love murders in the dark.

00:52:34.600 Oh, so I got that.

00:52:37.100 That was a woman who came on my show this time last year.

00:52:40.180 I'm blanking on her name, but she was talking about keeping like love alive and injecting

00:52:44.640 novelty in your relationship.

00:52:45.820 She was saying long-term relationships need novelty, novelty, novelty.

00:52:48.800 That's what she said.

00:52:49.400 And she was talking about that game, murder in the dark as one way of keeping novelty

00:52:54.480 going.

00:52:55.060 And we played it all, all of our friends.

00:52:57.540 It is the funniest game.

00:52:59.240 So you have to, I'm trying to remember exactly how to explain.

00:53:03.060 Yeah.

00:53:04.020 You PR didn't tell.

00:53:06.240 Yeah.

00:53:06.420 He didn't really, you're, you're a fiance.

00:53:08.420 My fiance didn't really understand the rules.

00:53:10.660 And this is after like a couple of nights out of like, we were having fun and you know,

00:53:14.700 we were drinking, everybody was having fun.

00:53:16.120 And so we get to Megan's room, we explained the game and he wasn't really listening, but

00:53:20.260 he was supposed to be the murderer.

00:53:21.360 You're supposed to murder one person.

00:53:22.720 Just tap on them.

00:53:23.560 The lights are out.

00:53:24.720 It's dark.

00:53:25.340 Right.

00:53:25.600 Hence the name.

00:53:26.040 And he ended up touching every single person.

00:53:28.500 So when the lights came back on, everybody in the room was dead.

00:53:31.380 We were hysterically laughing.

00:53:33.560 It was a mass murder.

00:53:35.000 It was really fun.

00:53:36.020 It was such a fun trip.

00:53:37.760 Our trips are so fun.

00:53:39.400 You know what?

00:53:39.940 They're important.

00:53:40.720 That's, that's one of the reasons we're all together out here.

00:53:42.700 I'm actually doing an event in Vegas later today.

00:53:45.200 And we use it as an excuse to say, let's get the gang back together.

00:53:48.800 We call our little group of gals, Joe Palooza.

00:53:51.900 It's after Joelle, because when Joelle turned 40, we went on this big trip together and there

00:53:57.100 were seven of us.

00:53:58.480 And, uh, and we've sort of sounded off by number wherever we went to make sure everyone

00:54:02.080 was there.

00:54:02.580 And Abby got the lead.

00:54:03.740 I was number one.

00:54:04.500 So Abby was one a because she was planning everything and corralling the group.

00:54:08.180 That's that.

00:54:08.800 And Joe Palooza has been doing, trying to do annual girls trips here, there, wherever

00:54:13.940 we can.

00:54:14.420 It's, it's hard with seven working moms and active moms and people with busy lives, but

00:54:20.020 we've done a pretty good job.

00:54:21.780 Yeah.

00:54:22.160 It's great.

00:54:22.560 I'm so glad we're here.

00:54:23.660 Yeah.

00:54:23.960 So fun.

00:54:24.640 And we don't really have anything crazy planned.

00:54:26.200 Are we doing the magic show today?

00:54:27.360 Let's go.

00:54:28.180 Yeah.

00:54:28.340 Yeah.

00:54:28.520 I really want to go.

00:54:29.240 It's so fun.

00:54:29.860 So I'm going to.

00:54:30.600 And are we going to gamble?

00:54:31.980 Are we factoring in any game?

00:54:33.280 You already lost a little money.

00:54:34.940 Last night was crazy.

00:54:36.340 It was a bad wave.

00:54:38.860 You can tell.

00:54:40.000 It was too expensive.

00:54:40.780 Gotta get up.

00:54:41.300 Yes.

00:54:41.740 I couldn't find any good tables.

00:54:43.480 I am prepared to lose like a few hundred bucks.

00:54:46.200 Okay.

00:54:46.600 A gambling.

00:54:47.320 But I don't want to lose it in two minutes.

00:54:49.320 I agree.

00:54:49.980 I don't want a hundred dollar table.

00:54:51.740 Yeah.

00:54:51.860 So we'll find a $25 table.

00:54:53.700 We got to go to the golden nugget.

00:54:55.540 Okay.

00:54:56.080 That's where you can find.

00:54:57.380 Oh God.

00:54:57.480 Let's go to the nugget.

00:54:59.320 $5 table.

00:55:00.340 Let's go.

00:55:00.880 $15 tables.

00:55:01.920 The drinks are delicious.

00:55:03.660 Those are my people.

00:55:04.880 Okay.

00:55:05.240 We'll go.

00:55:05.580 I'll go.

00:55:06.960 Let's see what happens.

00:55:08.280 All right.

00:55:08.440 Let's talk about some of the fun things that are in the news right now.

00:55:10.420 Because I know, Joelle, you became famous on this show, whether you know it or not.

00:55:13.740 When I read a series of your texts to me.

00:55:16.740 That's right.

00:55:17.200 Over Meghan Markle.

00:55:18.900 Yes.

00:55:19.440 Just to refresh the audience's mind.

00:55:21.460 This is when she had given her.

00:55:23.900 It was after the Netflix documentary hit.

00:55:26.060 And Joelle went off in this text thread to me.

00:55:28.080 That was so epic.

00:55:28.760 I read it to you guys.

00:55:29.520 It was about how, MK, if Harry married me, I would have made use of the platform.

00:55:35.880 I'd be helping those children in Africa, not ripping on people for paying attention

00:55:40.120 to them instead of me.

00:55:41.560 You went on this epic rant.

00:55:43.100 There is Meghan Markle news today.

00:55:44.620 According to the UK papers, they're going, they are definitely being invited to the coronation.

00:55:50.820 They are expected, they think, to appear.

00:55:53.380 They're not going to be invited up on the balcony.

00:55:55.020 That's like for the working royals.

00:55:56.780 But what do you make of the decision of King Charles to let these two whiners, backstabbers,

00:56:03.600 go to the coronation?

00:56:05.820 It shows me that he's a classy guy.

00:56:08.080 Oh, yeah, Elle.

00:56:09.680 That is not the lesson here.

00:56:11.760 Sorry, go ahead.

00:56:12.400 About him, I think, you know how I feel about them, but he is doing, he won't die with regret.

00:56:19.720 Really?

00:56:22.420 When is enough enough?

00:56:24.540 I mean, look at what she has done to this family.

00:56:27.360 I mean, it's not the royal family to her.

00:56:30.300 Those are her in-laws.

00:56:31.720 Those are your in-laws.

00:56:32.680 That's your family.

00:56:34.320 I mean, in my opinion, I get that and I understand that.

00:56:38.500 Prince William is also his son, who has been backstabbed by the mean, scheming brother

00:56:43.660 for the better part of a year plus now.

00:56:46.140 So where's his obligation to protect him?

00:56:49.000 If you want to take a step back, take a step back.

00:56:51.440 But really take a step back.

00:56:53.060 Well, no, they haven't.

00:56:53.900 And then they just complain about the press, even though they're in the press.

00:56:56.600 It's just that they seek the publicity and then they complain about the press following them.

00:57:01.180 Yes, I do not think that they should be invited.

00:57:04.120 Okay.

00:57:04.560 And I promise you, if they go, I will be booing them.

00:57:07.560 Every time they're on camera.

00:57:08.440 I don't care if I'm alone in my living room.

00:57:09.840 You guys can come over again with a vodka from Tessa.

00:57:12.220 Do you think they'll go, though?

00:57:13.740 Do you think they'll go?

00:57:15.040 Well, when have you ever missed an opportunity to be on camera?

00:57:18.960 They'll bash them and then show up and wave.

00:57:20.880 But he would have looked worse if he didn't invite them.

00:57:23.300 I do think he looks better in the end.

00:57:26.560 Okay, let me think about that.

00:57:27.920 That could be true, but I don't, no, no, it isn't.

00:57:30.700 Because he has an obligation, not just as a father, but as a monarch.

00:57:36.480 And these two are trying to undermine the whole monarchy.

00:57:40.000 They've called half of the British population racist because of Brexit.

00:57:44.040 That was all over their dumb documentary on Netflix.

00:57:46.720 And now they're being rewarded.

00:57:48.340 If I were a Brit who voted for Brexit, I would be really rip-roaring mad over this.

00:57:54.420 Yeah, I agree.

00:57:54.920 Come on back.

00:57:57.120 It's like an abusive relationship.

00:57:58.780 Yes, yeah.

00:57:59.340 And they get themselves out of it.

00:58:00.840 That's right.

00:58:02.060 Now, speaking of abuse, all of us are Real Housewives fans.

00:58:06.180 Oh, God.

00:58:06.720 So I have recently fallen in love with the Real Housewives of Miami.

00:58:09.760 I've heard.

00:58:10.160 These two, these guys are like, MK, step away.

00:58:13.000 No, I need to start again.

00:58:14.940 I'm feeling a little jealous.

00:58:16.260 I was just writing it last night to our friends.

00:58:17.320 It's like, to me, it's almost like a cocktail.

00:58:19.760 It's just like a frivolous thing that you know isn't really good for you, but it feels good in the moment.

00:58:24.060 But it's not that bad for you.

00:58:26.080 It's just like a getaway.

00:58:27.660 And my hairstylist, Sarah, was saying, you've got to try Miami.

00:58:31.820 Not the first version, which happened 10 years ago, but the current version, which is only two seasons in.

00:58:36.820 It's delicious.

00:58:38.460 I'm really enjoying it.

00:58:39.820 Your favorite.

00:58:40.960 Who likes New Jersey and who likes Beverly Hills or New York?

00:58:44.000 I like them all.

00:58:45.700 I like Jersey.

00:58:47.380 Oh, I even like Orange County.

00:58:48.720 No, no.

00:58:48.900 I watched them all.

00:58:49.900 I think I watched everything except early on, though.

00:58:52.660 I stopped.

00:58:53.220 I've had a little bit of a break.

00:58:54.700 I watched them all except Salt Lake.

00:58:57.480 And then there was they did Potomac.

00:59:00.600 Didn't they did Real Housewives of Potomac?

00:59:02.800 Didn't you describe yourself as Orange County?

00:59:05.080 Don't you say I'm Orange County?

00:59:06.960 Yes.

00:59:07.240 That's your look.

00:59:07.900 I embrace it.

00:59:10.080 I like that.

00:59:10.980 Even though I'm born and bred New York City.

00:59:13.120 I embrace it.

00:59:14.480 Yeah.

00:59:14.800 I love that.

00:59:15.460 You know who you are.

00:59:16.100 I do.

00:59:16.740 All right.

00:59:16.980 Now, and what's your fave?

00:59:18.720 I like Jersey because it's all about family and they speak my language.

00:59:24.100 But I love Beverly.

00:59:25.500 I like the old Beverly Hills when it was actually like real money, decadence.

00:59:31.120 It's a Vanderpump.

00:59:31.680 Yeah.

00:59:31.920 Now it's a bunch of now it's really actually sad.

00:59:35.640 It's very thirsty.

00:59:36.500 We saw a Real Housewife here in Vegas last night.

00:59:40.060 Yes.

00:59:40.560 Dorit.

00:59:41.160 Dorit.

00:59:41.460 I don't know who she is because it must be a newer one, right?

00:59:43.840 She's from Beverly Hills.

00:59:44.960 I don't think she's that new.

00:59:46.000 She's been around for a while.

00:59:47.680 I have to say Dorit has some of the nicest fashion of any of the Real Housewives.

00:59:51.100 Yeah.

00:59:51.360 She looks great.

00:59:52.020 Whatever she was wearing.

00:59:53.260 I wanted to.

00:59:53.620 She looks great.

00:59:54.180 I went through this.

00:59:54.800 I was like, oh, it's a Real Housewife.

00:59:56.260 But oh my God, she looks amazing.

00:59:57.660 What is she wearing?

00:59:58.160 I want to know her.

00:59:58.760 Wait.

00:59:58.900 No, I don't.

01:00:00.000 I know.

01:00:00.420 So I'm on a tear right now about the Real Housewives of Miami.

01:00:05.040 Her name is Larsa Pippin and she was married to Scotty Pippin.

01:00:10.980 And so I made the mistake, even though my hairstylist told me, don't pay any attention to the 2010 and 2011 version.

01:00:17.500 She's like, it's a waste of your time.

01:00:18.620 But I got confused.

01:00:20.100 Then I started there.

01:00:21.180 And Larsa Pippin was part of the original crew.

01:00:23.780 And can I just show you, this is what Larsa Pippin looked like back then.

01:00:26.760 We'll put it on the board and you can check it out on YouTube.

01:00:28.860 She looked like a beautiful woman who had married Scotty Pippin, right?

01:00:32.860 On the right is how she looks now.

01:00:35.340 Ten years later, I tune back in.

01:00:36.620 I'm like, who is this person?

01:00:38.520 What has happened to the original Larsa Pippin?

01:00:40.580 She looks completely different.

01:00:42.120 She's had a ton of filler.

01:00:43.700 She admits to having had her nose done and her lips done.

01:00:46.820 Look at the lips now.

01:00:47.660 Would you look at this?

01:00:48.360 And if you're thinking those lips look familiar, they look like Kardashian lips.

01:00:52.620 You ain't seen nothing yet.

01:00:54.480 When she turns around, she's all Kardashian.

01:00:57.640 And I find out from the tabloids, it's because she's been Kim Kardashian's best friend.

01:01:02.600 So she comes back.

01:01:03.820 Look at this.

01:01:04.620 That was her before.

01:01:05.620 This is her after.

01:01:07.200 Her aster.

01:01:08.580 Her aster.

01:01:10.060 Look at this.

01:01:11.480 This is what happens when you spend time with Kim Kardashian.

01:01:15.400 She corrupts everything she touches.

01:01:17.740 She didn't need it.

01:01:19.040 She didn't need it.

01:01:19.860 This woman is beautiful.

01:01:21.000 Oh, my God.

01:01:21.340 She did not need it.

01:01:22.240 This is why you really have to be careful who you hang out with.

01:01:25.500 Yeah.

01:01:25.840 It's contagious.

01:01:26.380 Thank God.

01:01:27.440 You guys.

01:01:28.060 I hang out with you guys.

01:01:28.800 Who knew that bottom was contagious?

01:01:31.240 It's absurd.

01:01:32.500 Wow.

01:01:32.960 Yes.

01:01:33.580 So I'm sorry, but I object to the whole Kardashianization of our nation.

01:01:37.740 And as three women with young girls, I will say again, I am developing a deep loathing

01:01:43.360 for that entire family and what they're doing to our daughters.

01:01:47.020 Yeah.

01:01:48.040 It's pretty crazy, their influence, how vast their influence is.

01:01:53.220 Their reach is wide.

01:01:55.260 It doesn't matter.

01:01:56.920 It does not matter the entity.

01:01:58.960 They can touch it.

01:01:59.860 They can reach it.

01:02:00.540 And they can influence it.

01:02:01.740 And they drive clicks.

01:02:02.860 That's right.

01:02:03.260 I will say some of the supermodels of like our era, you know, the 90s, whatever, they

01:02:11.080 are speaking out saying they are not supermodels like Kendall Jenner, the Hadid daughters.

01:02:16.680 They're not.

01:02:17.100 These are Instagram famous people who just get clicks.

01:02:20.920 These are not actual models who have made it, you know, in a field of millions.

01:02:26.440 Right.

01:02:26.800 To their beauty and their talent.

01:02:28.020 There are people whose parents put them on TV and who had millions of dollars to make

01:02:33.540 them in our face.

01:02:34.600 Right.

01:02:34.880 Right.

01:02:35.200 Not like the George Michael video women who are in that gorgeous, the gorgeous set of

01:02:39.240 the supermodels.

01:02:39.900 Think about like Cindy Crawford.

01:02:41.320 She like, yes, she took some provocative pictures as a model, but I wasn't looking at

01:02:45.100 Cindy Crawford's boobs and her ass at every turn.

01:02:48.300 Like she earned it based on her talent and her face and her style and her just her presence.

01:02:53.680 Right.

01:02:53.860 Not an easy industry.

01:02:55.040 No, no.

01:02:55.680 And by the way, she looks so good right now.

01:02:58.620 Cindy Crawford.

01:02:59.240 Yes.

01:02:59.700 She's somebody who's had like very little work done.

01:03:02.480 She just is aging beautifully.

01:03:04.680 Yeah.

01:03:04.960 Not like.

01:03:05.920 Oh, God.

01:03:06.480 Sorry.

01:03:07.360 Yeah.

01:03:07.720 That brings me to Madonna.

01:03:09.000 Wow.

01:03:09.880 Wow.

01:03:10.460 Did you see her?

01:03:11.220 Yes.

01:03:12.500 Okay.

01:03:12.960 So now she is saying that the critiques on her face at the Grammys, which we'll show

01:03:17.740 you the face, are misogynistic and ageist.

01:03:22.260 Oh, that she is sick.

01:03:23.580 Like she, first of all, she says the only reason she looked like this is because the photographer

01:03:26.400 who shot her used a long, some sort of a lens.

01:03:30.560 I'm like, well, why didn't everybody look like that then?

01:03:34.300 Why didn't the photographer work?

01:03:35.880 You're taking one of the most iconic faces of all time.

01:03:39.400 And this is what you're doing to it.

01:03:40.980 I mean, she's obviously not injecting herself.

01:03:43.220 Right.

01:03:43.600 Whoever is doing that, that's a problem.

01:03:46.140 She's getting Michael Jackson-esque at the moment.

01:03:48.440 But is she asking for it and someone's just obliging or are they guiding her to like that?

01:03:52.700 No.

01:03:53.860 You've gone too far.

01:03:54.880 Yeah.

01:03:55.200 This is, I, I'm the professional here.

01:03:57.980 I'm the one with the needle.

01:03:59.520 No.

01:04:00.020 Yeah.

01:04:00.560 You don't need that.

01:04:01.820 No.

01:04:02.020 And she's really crossing over into like looking somewhat deformed.

01:04:05.800 Right.

01:04:06.000 She doesn't need it.

01:04:07.080 I mean, you're talking about someone who has, I mean, this is a huge mega superstar.

01:04:12.000 Just, just age gracefully.

01:04:13.480 You're okay.

01:04:14.180 What do you, and I'm, look, I'm fine if she doesn't want to age gracefully.

01:04:16.720 If she wants to get a nip and a tuck and a needle, but like this is crossed over.

01:04:21.100 It's extreme.

01:04:21.380 That's, it's like the facial version of body dysmorphia.

01:04:24.340 Yeah.

01:04:24.620 Yes.

01:04:24.960 Right.

01:04:25.280 Right.

01:04:25.500 Like we would no sooner celebrate the end stages of Karen Carpenter's look than we should

01:04:30.380 celebrate this, which is true.

01:04:31.820 Like deformity.

01:04:33.020 Now it's crossed over to a very unhealthy place.

01:04:35.340 Yeah.

01:04:35.540 And it's not misogyny or ageism.

01:04:39.000 She's the one who's ageist.

01:04:40.860 She's refusing to accept what a 64 year old person actually looks like.

01:04:44.300 That's right.

01:04:45.060 Right.

01:04:45.560 So it's like, that's right.

01:04:46.560 You, you can't in any event, I will say this.

01:04:49.040 She made another comment about how the American media has tried to tear her down for years.

01:04:53.200 Okay.

01:04:53.540 Maybe that's true.

01:04:54.200 I don't know.

01:04:54.560 I feel like this country has only built her up and made her a billionaire.

01:04:57.040 Right.

01:04:57.260 Okay.

01:04:57.980 But I will say there is something about America and older women that it's like not allowed.

01:05:06.220 You're not allowed to age on camera in America in a graceful way.

01:05:09.220 I do these weekly hits on GB news.

01:05:11.340 It's a great Britain news.

01:05:12.740 And the women who go on there, they're allowed to age.

01:05:16.200 I see women who look their age and they're embraced by the British public.

01:05:20.240 And it's like, you're allowed to age in Great Britain.

01:05:22.760 And over here, there's an expectation that when you get to a certain age, you're just going

01:05:26.940 to keep holding on to your youthful glow or else.

01:05:30.860 Yeah.

01:05:30.960 I think that's true.

01:05:33.420 Except if you're on Broadway.

01:05:36.240 Why?

01:05:37.740 I mean, so, you know, I had a career in Los Angeles.

01:05:40.660 I had a career in New York.

01:05:41.680 In Los Angeles, you really can't age.

01:05:43.720 I mean, age 30, you're old.

01:05:45.460 Cannot.

01:05:45.740 You cannot.

01:05:46.160 You cannot age.

01:05:47.580 But in New York, you can sort of age on Broadway.

01:05:52.140 It's okay.

01:05:53.140 It's just different.

01:05:54.520 I wonder why that is.

01:05:55.600 But I don't even just mean.

01:05:56.800 Not on camera.

01:05:57.140 I don't even mean on camera.

01:05:58.320 Okay.

01:05:59.060 Don't you think in your daily life, we're running out of faces that look their age.

01:06:03.560 Like, I remember this woman who worked for the Hillary Clinton campaign once came on

01:06:08.080 my NBC show, Jen Palmieri.

01:06:10.240 And she was saying she takes comfort in seeing wrinkles on women's faces.

01:06:14.960 You know, like, she takes comfort in looking at her own face and seeing lines and remembering,

01:06:21.000 like, you know what this means?

01:06:22.100 It means I'm a child of the 70s.

01:06:23.480 And I grew up in the Carter era and the, you know, when gas lines were long and Reagan

01:06:30.380 came in and I was there for the Cold War.

01:06:32.660 And like, that's what my lines say.

01:06:34.840 And we've gone just to a place.

01:06:36.900 And I know we're all conscious of our appearance.

01:06:39.100 We all do what we can to keep ourselves looking good.

01:06:40.760 So I'm not saying I'm above this.

01:06:41.920 I'm definitely in this.

01:06:43.840 But wouldn't it be nice, like, if it was still okay to just age and not have to feel

01:06:49.160 self-conscious about it?

01:06:50.100 Because I see it with my friends who are not on camera and with just other women who are

01:06:54.340 going about living their regular lives.

01:06:57.240 It's a challenge.

01:06:58.260 It's a challenge.

01:06:59.100 Right.

01:06:59.320 We all want to look good.

01:07:00.980 We want to feel good and look young.

01:07:04.980 Right.

01:07:05.540 I'm vain.

01:07:06.700 Yes.

01:07:07.120 Right.

01:07:07.520 I'm vain.

01:07:08.540 Me too.

01:07:08.920 That, I mean, I can't, that's, was just my career in the performing arts.

01:07:13.360 It's like, if you're, if you don't look a certain way, if you're not a certain way,

01:07:16.220 it's really hard to get the job.

01:07:18.000 But that's just, you know, that really is ingrained in our American culture.

01:07:22.680 See, you have this amazing friend who is like a one woman wellness.

01:07:27.560 Unbelievable.

01:07:28.460 Brooke Barlow.

01:07:29.180 And what's crazy?

01:07:30.220 Brooke Barlow, Nickel.

01:07:30.900 So what's so crazy about Brooke Barlow?

01:07:33.420 She brings you these latest things.

01:07:35.540 And didn't you tell me there's some nose spray that makes you tan?

01:07:39.340 No, a pill.

01:07:40.000 I just vacationed with Brooke actually a few times this year.

01:07:44.160 And she had like an energy droplet.

01:07:47.500 She had an all natural anxiety medication.

01:07:50.880 She was, I'm like, why are you tan?

01:07:52.480 She's like, I have a nose spray that makes me tan.

01:07:55.040 I'm like, oh, your hair came back after COVID because she lost all of her hair.

01:07:58.200 She's like, oh, I do this for hair.

01:08:00.080 She's a one-stop shop.

01:08:01.420 She's in Austin, Texas.

01:08:02.840 And she is on the cusp of everything.

01:08:06.380 How can a nose spray make you tan?

01:08:09.340 This should not be going into your lungs.

01:08:11.380 Research that.

01:08:11.900 I don't know.

01:08:12.720 But she's doing it and it's working.

01:08:14.860 I need no more.

01:08:16.500 Yeah.

01:08:16.900 I mean, but I also want to feel good.

01:08:19.140 And I think health, we were talking about this last night, exercise and working out.

01:08:24.960 It's important for everything, for the inner, for the outer.

01:08:27.840 It's all together.

01:08:28.960 You're a big SoulCycle person.

01:08:30.040 I'm a big SoulCycle person.

01:08:31.580 Oh my God.

01:08:31.940 And shout out to them.

01:08:33.000 I love my t-shirts.

01:08:34.780 They keep me sane.

01:08:35.840 Yael.

01:08:36.060 They keep me so I wouldn't go on a bus and do things.

01:08:39.080 Oh my God.

01:08:40.180 Come on.

01:08:41.100 I've been a SoulCycle.

01:08:42.960 I've still the same.

01:08:44.300 Literally never been a SoulCycle.

01:08:45.240 I'm in the cult.

01:08:46.220 So Yael has been trying to get us.

01:08:47.580 I like to do the costume parties for my birthday.

01:08:49.500 She tries to get us to go to SoulCycle.

01:08:51.340 They've all come.

01:08:52.240 I've never gone.

01:08:53.040 They've all come.

01:08:53.720 Not me.

01:08:54.280 Not once.

01:08:55.460 How about if we wear costumes and sing karaoke?

01:08:58.740 No.

01:09:01.060 I'm not doing it.

01:09:02.600 All right.

01:09:02.760 When we come back, a really kind of surprising moment with Jane Fonda.

01:09:07.160 I am going to have something nice to say about Jane Fonda, who offered a pretty good pearl

01:09:15.260 of wisdom recently, right after this break.

01:09:17.300 More with the friends as we take a quick, quick break.

01:09:19.900 Don't go away.

01:09:23.740 Here with me today, two of my greatest friends in the world, Yael and Joelle, pals I met in

01:09:29.380 New York many moons ago when our whole crew had young daughters in preschool together and

01:09:34.900 we bonded like young mothers do to try to help each other get shit done.

01:09:39.220 I was always the one who, whenever we go to the playground or the park, I literally never

01:09:43.960 brought a thing.

01:09:44.720 I never had a bag.

01:09:45.920 I never had a snack.

01:09:47.200 I never had a water.

01:09:48.820 And our friend Christina, she was exactly the opposite.

01:09:52.200 Not only would she have all that stuff, she would have a porta potty so that the girls

01:09:56.080 remember her porta potty?

01:09:57.760 She would travel.

01:09:59.140 You had Christina and I had Ify.

01:10:01.060 And basically we had it all.

01:10:02.340 Ify was this extraordinary, is an extraordinary mother.

01:10:06.220 She's got four kids.

01:10:07.120 Eliza's are also out here with us.

01:10:08.740 She's got five kids.

01:10:09.900 She just had one.

01:10:10.860 She was pregnant with her fifth.

01:10:11.960 She goes, what kind of a person has five children?

01:10:16.560 But you're so self-deprecating.

01:10:18.580 But I want to tell a story about how we met, which you might not remember.

01:10:22.500 Okay.

01:10:23.100 Because I was looking back at emails.

01:10:24.740 And in 2015, when our girls were in the polar bear room, they went to the American Ballet

01:10:31.520 Theater for a workshop.

01:10:32.520 And they each needed a chaperone.

01:10:34.700 So my father, who lives in Manhattan, loves the ballet.

01:10:38.040 So he went as the chaperone.

01:10:40.620 And everyone had a great trip.

01:10:41.900 Do you remember it?

01:10:43.060 I don't think I went.

01:10:43.760 I think I was working.

01:10:44.580 Okay.

01:10:44.900 So you sent probably your mom.

01:10:47.380 And so they had a wonderful day.

01:10:51.500 I get home.

01:10:52.020 It's a great day.

01:10:52.840 My dad was lovely.

01:10:54.600 I'm checking my emails later that night.

01:10:56.440 It was early in the year.

01:10:57.260 So we hadn't even really met.

01:10:58.900 And there's emails from you.

01:11:00.840 And I was like, what?

01:11:02.120 You sent me all these emails of Izzy and Yardley together.

01:11:06.340 But then you sent me a photo of my father reaching down to give Izzy the biggest hug and kiss.

01:11:13.780 And I was like, who is this nice, thoughtful person going out of their way to do something

01:11:18.360 like this?

01:11:18.980 I mean, you talk about how you don't give gifts.

01:11:20.580 But there was such a sweet, thoughtful, generous, spirited action.

01:11:25.540 Yeah.

01:11:25.800 And I was like, wow, who is it?

01:11:28.000 It was so nice of you.

01:11:29.160 Anybody do that?

01:11:30.080 No, no one else did.

01:11:31.420 You're the only person that ever tried to set me up and repeatedly.

01:11:36.260 But then I was insistent.

01:11:38.720 I just want to add with this story.

01:11:40.880 Then later we became friends and I learned that your father passed away when you were

01:11:48.520 younger and that Doug doesn't have a his dad died.

01:11:52.940 Right.

01:11:53.160 So there are no grandfathers in the picture.

01:11:54.940 And I said and I thought to myself, she went out of her way to capture a candid moment that

01:12:00.540 she can never have.

01:12:01.620 Oh, and that was so thoughtful because I, you know, without having my mother and, you

01:12:06.920 know, when I see sometimes grandmothers, I can't always capture that moment for others.

01:12:11.340 And it was double thoughtfulness.

01:12:13.420 So you say you make fun of yourself for not being there.

01:12:16.100 But look at all that.

01:12:17.040 Look at that action you did.

01:12:18.160 You're such a doll.

01:12:19.120 No, it was.

01:12:19.940 I remember that moment.

01:12:21.040 It really was sweet.

01:12:21.820 I still have that photo of my dad.

01:12:24.440 Probably one of the reasons why I recognize how tender it was, you know, how special it

01:12:27.680 was.

01:12:28.860 I always feel that like when you go to weddings and the dad gives the daughter away, it's

01:12:32.200 like, oh, God, you know, it's it's bittersweet.

01:12:34.080 But it does remind you of the value.

01:12:36.300 Like, I thank God I have Doug, you know, for my kids.

01:12:39.160 And I'm so thankful for it.

01:12:41.200 But I will say this, you know, on the value of friendship.

01:12:44.660 You find out, like I mentioned, you guys with the Putin thing, that's just one silly

01:12:48.280 example.

01:12:48.540 I could do a tent, you know, 25 examples of just extraordinary giving.

01:12:52.960 But here's something small.

01:12:54.960 If he's also here and if he and Joelle are like sisters and if he Verano is this just

01:13:01.040 incredibly special person who is you have to know her to meet her because she's great

01:13:06.100 at everything, but you manage to love her anyway.

01:13:07.900 Right.

01:13:08.280 Yeah.

01:13:08.460 It's a very rare combination.

01:13:10.080 Yes.

01:13:10.800 And when I was post NBC licking my wounds, very sad and very down.

01:13:17.700 Um, and kind of like I was referred to myself as on the couch, like I couldn't get off the

01:13:22.780 couch.

01:13:23.040 And that's kind of true.

01:13:24.980 Um, if he Verano and you, you guys said, MK, you're coming with us to yoga and I'm not

01:13:32.640 much of an exerciser.

01:13:33.600 I used to be.

01:13:34.120 I'm like, I'm not doing fucking yoga.

01:13:38.140 You're like, you're coming.

01:13:39.440 Yeah.

01:13:39.600 So I went, it was ridiculous.

01:13:42.100 I broke my nose the first day.

01:13:45.660 Remember?

01:13:46.380 Yeah.

01:13:46.580 In Crow.

01:13:47.180 Were you in Crow?

01:13:48.200 Yes.

01:13:48.480 I tried to do this too.

01:13:49.040 I have a photo of you.

01:13:50.280 I didn't send it though, but I have a photo of you in Crow.

01:13:52.560 You're like, look at it.

01:13:53.380 I'm going to take a photo.

01:13:54.100 Oh, like I can do this.

01:13:55.160 By the way, we regretted that decision shortly thereafter because the paparazzi was following

01:13:59.580 you every day.

01:14:00.960 So there were photos of our asses walking into the yoga place every day on Daily Mail.

01:14:08.080 I thank you.

01:14:08.820 But I was like, who would sign up for this?

01:14:10.820 This is crazy.

01:14:11.500 And remember sometimes when you'd be talking to me, all of a sudden I would turn and want

01:14:15.400 to be shoulder to shoulder with you.

01:14:16.640 And I'd be like, let them get us both from the front because I do not want my butt on the

01:14:20.840 Daily Mail anymore.

01:14:21.740 I can't take it.

01:14:22.680 Yes.

01:14:23.060 But one thing you said, you were not sitting licking your wounds.

01:14:26.480 You do not lean into victimhood.

01:14:28.240 And that's something that bothers me right now about.

01:14:30.960 We were talking about Meghan Markle, going back to that.

01:14:34.080 Sorry, but she, you do not, you did not lean into that.

01:14:37.480 You had a brief period of understandable sadness and then you moved on.

01:14:43.160 Yeah.

01:14:43.680 But you guys helped like just the experience of like getting me to exercise where you go

01:14:48.820 out and you're with other people and then you're doing something that's physically good

01:14:51.520 for yourself.

01:14:52.440 And then you get like, you get stronger in every way, you know?

01:14:55.280 And then I flash forward to, um, there was the day we were going over to yoga and one

01:15:00.800 of you guys sent me, I think it was you, Joelle.

01:15:02.740 I can't remember, but one of you guys sent me, it was the day that the news broke that

01:15:06.540 Justin Trudeau had been in blackface like a thousand times.

01:15:10.680 We, we started a collection of photos of all of these people who were literally slinging

01:15:15.360 mud at you, but they had been in blackface.

01:15:17.300 And I have never worn blackface.

01:15:18.900 I just was talking about how, when we were young, it was the thing that didn't cause the

01:15:22.500 kind of problems for people that it does now.

01:15:24.300 So it was like, I, that was a day where I remember, oh my God, like this is, I knew

01:15:29.040 what I had said was true that back in the seventies, people used to wear this with impunity

01:15:33.760 and not even back in the seventies.

01:15:35.600 But I remember going to sort of coming full circle, being at the yoga class.

01:15:39.600 It was really hard.

01:15:40.720 And for the first time ever and only time while exercising, I cried.

01:15:45.140 It was such a release.

01:15:46.860 It was like a, it was a release of all that shit, you know, one that I really needed, but

01:15:52.940 it started with my friends.

01:15:54.260 It started with friends who were like, MK, you need to move.

01:15:57.780 You need to do something that's good for you.

01:15:59.500 You need to be out with us and you need to be with friends.

01:16:01.260 And it could be something as simple as like going to a stupid yoga class.

01:16:04.960 Anyway.

01:16:05.460 Or we sat and watched that great movie about the twins that were three identical strangers.

01:16:10.760 That I love that.

01:16:12.000 That was stunning.

01:16:12.880 If you haven't seen three identical strangers, you must.

01:16:14.960 Or we'd go for drinks at our favorite place across the street from Ify's house.

01:16:19.200 With our cucumber martinis.

01:16:20.660 Yeah.

01:16:20.840 Garden martinis.

01:16:21.580 I don't think a lot of people realized at that time what you were going through, but

01:16:26.640 like to us, you were, you know, Yardley's mom that had been such a great friend to all

01:16:31.020 of us.

01:16:31.600 We like really got in.

01:16:32.860 I mean, it was such a, it was such a great loving crew.

01:16:36.540 Well, you put yourselves through a lot because you mentioned the paparazzi and there, there

01:16:39.400 was one birthday of mine.

01:16:41.600 Your birthday.

01:16:42.200 We went out to the Hampton's for a wine tasting.

01:16:44.620 Yes.

01:16:45.100 It was really bad.

01:16:45.780 No costumes, no karaoke.

01:16:47.560 It was just.

01:16:48.080 Just alcohol.

01:16:48.760 They slaughtered us.

01:16:50.720 And they, we did not know we were being followed.

01:16:53.320 Well, I think the driver at one point did.

01:16:55.060 Do you remember?

01:16:55.560 Cause at the, at one point he, he started to do some crazy driving and he, he was, Joelle,

01:17:01.640 we went to the beach.

01:17:02.340 You're like, Joelle, the beach is that way.

01:17:03.980 And he wasn't listening to you.

01:17:05.080 And he was doing some fancy driving.

01:17:06.900 It wasn't until like the next day or whatever the pictures hit on the daily mail.

01:17:10.520 Oh no.

01:17:11.180 And Yael, so dumb, decided to read the comments.

01:17:15.400 Oh God.

01:17:16.640 Now you've learned.

01:17:17.600 Yeah.

01:17:17.920 Haven't learned.

01:17:18.580 Don't read the comments.

01:17:19.580 Not read the comments.

01:17:20.340 She was so mad because they were, they were referring to her like, when it was the line.

01:17:25.040 She looked like she, my bag was out of the Sears catalog.

01:17:30.300 Can I, can I say where it was from?

01:17:31.980 It was a Chanel bag.

01:17:33.260 I'm sorry.

01:17:34.160 It was a Chanel bag.

01:17:35.580 It was not from the Sears catalog.

01:17:37.040 I was like, no, no offense to Sears.

01:17:39.820 They're never going to, no offense to Sears, but it's not the Chanel.

01:17:42.120 Even though we'd admit that.

01:17:43.020 No, no.

01:17:43.780 And you put up with this nonsense.

01:17:45.440 But they took a lot of photos of your butt.

01:17:48.900 Yes.

01:17:49.220 Your butt.

01:17:49.540 Yeah.

01:17:49.840 It was every photo.

01:17:51.460 So at the end of, at the end of that trip, we were coming back from the Hamptons and my

01:17:55.600 friend Leslie sent me a text that just said, it's not that bad.

01:17:59.740 That was the text.

01:18:01.100 And I said, what?

01:18:02.460 And she, and then she just sent the picture of my butt going up the step to the restaurant.

01:18:07.420 So wrong.

01:18:08.660 It's not that bad.

01:18:09.680 That was the only text I got.

01:18:11.080 You know, I have since learned that if you cooperate with the paparazzi, when you see

01:18:14.960 the photog there, if you just smile at him and like, let him have a shot, they will make

01:18:19.580 you look so much better there.

01:18:21.140 We didn't have the opportunity because he was in hiding.

01:18:22.980 Yeah.

01:18:23.400 We didn't even know because we were taking photos on the stairs that we were having so

01:18:27.280 much fun that there's such great, terrible pictures of me when I was in Hawaii.

01:18:32.460 Thatcher was like three.

01:18:34.060 So that's, I'm saying that by way of defense for the ass photos that appeared of me at

01:18:37.660 the time.

01:18:38.440 But granted, three years, you should probably have worked something off by that point, but

01:18:41.280 I had been busy and I was dodging and weaving this guy the entire time in Hawaii.

01:18:46.080 I did not wish to have my photo taken.

01:18:47.620 Certainly not with my family on the beach.

01:18:49.640 I was using my children as human shields, like, cause I knew that they wouldn't publish

01:18:53.120 my kids cause I don't put my kids out there.

01:18:54.600 So I'm like, stand in front of mommy coming out of the ocean.

01:18:57.780 And then sure enough, the guy got me and they're the least flattering, most disgusting.

01:19:02.200 But what can you do as part of the, you know, part of life?

01:19:05.160 I don't know how you do it.

01:19:06.180 Yeah.

01:19:06.560 I don't know.

01:19:07.060 This is, yeah.

01:19:08.420 Unpleasant piece of being in the public eye.

01:19:10.020 Okay.

01:19:11.000 Jane Fonda on the subject of friendship.

01:19:13.120 Now, you know, I have a checkered history with Jane, um, yeah, she didn't like when

01:19:18.180 you asked the question about plastic surgery.

01:19:19.860 She's been talking about plastic surgery her whole life.

01:19:22.600 That didn't, that didn't make sense.

01:19:23.800 Remember we actually all went out to dinner that night.

01:19:25.480 We were like, what is going on here?

01:19:26.880 But she does look great.

01:19:27.340 She, well, anyway, sorry, Meg, keep going, keep going.

01:19:29.060 She looks great.

01:19:29.640 How old is she?

01:19:30.360 She looks amazing.

01:19:31.220 She's like, oh, so, so she's an example of someone who America is accepting.

01:19:36.660 She's 85 years old.

01:19:37.840 So she's, she, right.

01:19:39.180 Unlike Madonna, she's done great work.

01:19:41.120 Right.

01:19:41.580 Her work is amazing.

01:19:42.580 But it's, it's appropriate.

01:19:44.220 It's age appropriate.

01:19:45.120 She looks her age.

01:19:46.400 She just looks great for her age.

01:19:47.580 You can tell she's an older woman.

01:19:48.800 You can't tell she's 85.

01:19:49.920 I would love to look like Jane Fonda when I'm 85.

01:19:52.240 Love.

01:19:52.600 Yes.

01:19:52.940 And I realize it's going to require a lot of nipping and tucking and cutting.

01:19:55.820 Maybe I'll work up.

01:19:56.440 And some workout videos.

01:19:57.840 Fine.

01:19:58.040 I'll do it all.

01:19:58.900 Yeah.

01:19:59.140 I used to teach a robot.

01:20:00.260 I used to take my classes.

01:20:01.840 So it was a mixed relationship because she came on my show.

01:20:03.960 And actually, I'll tell you a story that I've never told before about that moment.

01:20:06.820 I'm going to break some news here.

01:20:08.660 Jane Fonda was on the set.

01:20:09.820 So was Robert Redford.

01:20:10.700 You may not remember.

01:20:11.520 He was starring with her in a, in a movie.

01:20:13.720 And they were kind of like these older couple, this older couple that was all over each other.

01:20:17.500 Endless love.

01:20:18.700 Not endless love.

01:20:19.700 What was it?

01:20:20.260 Brooke Shields.

01:20:20.860 Oh, wait.

01:20:21.240 What's the movie then?

01:20:21.860 This is current.

01:20:22.700 Oh, current.

01:20:23.280 When she was doing the NBC show.

01:20:24.840 Oh, but what's the movie?

01:20:26.240 I don't remember the name.

01:20:26.900 Oh, okay.

01:20:27.200 But they were on to promote it.

01:20:28.660 And she had been doing on the publicity tour, all this weird sex talk about him.

01:20:33.060 She kept wanting to talk about being in bed with Robert Redford in the movie.

01:20:36.880 And you could tell he was visibly uncomfortable with it.

01:20:39.280 Oh.

01:20:39.620 And during the commercial break, Robert Redford's publicist specifically asked me if I would try to keep her off of that.

01:20:49.080 Oh.

01:20:49.480 If I would like redirect the conversation to something else.

01:20:52.600 So I'm like, sure, I will.

01:20:54.160 I'll do Robert Redford's favor.

01:20:55.700 And frankly, a favor to Jane Fonda, too, because it was a little awkward.

01:20:59.140 So that's why I thought I'd come back in with something she talked about a million times before, her plastic surgery.

01:21:04.340 And it was relevant because this is a movie about aging.

01:21:06.720 Right.

01:21:07.060 And a woman coming to terms with what that means.

01:21:09.520 Right.

01:21:09.720 So, like, that I thought would be, like, the non-awkward place to go.

01:21:13.500 Wrong.

01:21:13.940 Wrong.

01:21:14.240 Wrong.

01:21:14.460 Okay.

01:21:15.040 She attacked you right away.

01:21:16.360 Is that how it happened?

01:21:17.060 Yeah.

01:21:17.280 She's like, you want to talk about plastic surgery?

01:21:19.220 Yeah.

01:21:19.560 What did she think?

01:21:20.000 She was like, now?

01:21:21.080 That's what you're asking me?

01:21:22.360 Like, she's on a talk show and she's talked about it her whole life.

01:21:25.740 Right.

01:21:26.240 And meanwhile, it's like.

01:21:26.940 And she was a workout icon.

01:21:28.260 I mean, that's.

01:21:28.840 She's really just trying to steer you off of your weird obsession of your sex scenes with Robert Redford, who you're making uncomfortable.

01:21:34.740 I'm doing you a solid.

01:21:35.760 Take the gift I'm giving you.

01:21:37.660 After the show, does she say anything like, I'm sorry, I just have to have you.

01:21:40.260 Have you.

01:21:41.020 No.

01:21:41.380 What was the name of the movie?

01:21:42.340 Now I need to know the name of the movie.

01:21:43.660 She was mad because I was a Fox News anchor and she knew that.

01:21:46.120 She was right.

01:21:46.820 I did not really like her.

01:21:47.820 Her instincts were correct.

01:21:49.820 I was not really her fan at that point.

01:21:51.820 And she'd been so political in the Vietnam ship with the veterans and all that stuff.

01:21:55.900 Anyway, having said all that, this is a nice moment about.

01:22:01.160 She's in some movie with Lily Tomlin and Sally.

01:22:06.260 Oh, yeah.

01:22:06.660 All those ladies.

01:22:07.320 Something about Tom Brady, 80 for Brady.

01:22:09.120 Right.

01:22:09.480 And they did a clip.

01:22:11.640 They went on CBS this morning and she said something great and educational to me about female friendships.

01:22:20.580 Listen to this.

01:22:22.940 Women's friendships are very different than men's friendships.

01:22:25.480 And they're very important to our health.

01:22:27.940 How so do you think?

01:22:28.480 Because you guys, you kind of sit side by side and watch sports or cars or women.

01:22:34.360 Women sit facing each other eye to eye and they say, I'm in trouble.

01:22:39.980 I need you.

01:22:40.560 Can you help me?

01:22:41.280 You know, we're not afraid of being vulnerable.

01:22:43.800 My favorite ex-husband, who's Ted Turner, said to me, you don't make new friends after 60.

01:22:49.220 But I think that he's really wrong.

01:22:52.220 That what you have to do is you have to be intentional.

01:22:54.940 You have to pursue people that you want to be friends with.

01:22:57.540 And you have to say, I'm intentionally wanting to be your friend.

01:23:01.740 And it works.

01:23:03.160 People hear that.

01:23:04.240 And then they stick around.

01:23:05.960 And you develop new friendships.

01:23:07.500 And the longer clip goes on to have all the others say that she did that to them, that

01:23:13.640 Lily and Sally were both like, I don't like people.

01:23:17.080 I don't want to be out there.

01:23:19.260 And the only reason we're friends is because Jane Fonda pursued them.

01:23:22.660 She just didn't let up.

01:23:24.740 I'm like, that is such good advice.

01:23:26.640 Yes.

01:23:26.880 And I love our group of friends.

01:23:28.180 I mean, we've all scattered across the country now.

01:23:31.020 We used to all be together.

01:23:32.520 But we stayed, our friendships have stayed together.

01:23:34.800 You are really good at that.

01:23:36.760 I try, but you are too.

01:23:38.120 We're here because of you.

01:23:39.540 But you're the glue, Yael.

01:23:40.760 I mean, honestly, you're an important piece of like making the contact continue to happen

01:23:44.660 because I try and if you feel rejected, if somebody doesn't get back to my text, I feel

01:23:49.420 rejected and I go away.

01:23:50.540 Let's talk about getting back to text.

01:23:52.260 Right.

01:23:53.660 I'm so bad at it.

01:23:55.080 I have an amazing ratio with her.

01:23:57.540 You and I are good with text.

01:23:58.940 Yeah.

01:23:59.060 Very good.

01:23:59.580 That's true.

01:24:00.040 Maybe immediate.

01:24:01.440 That's true.

01:24:02.100 You know what, though?

01:24:02.620 You never ask anything of me in the text.

01:24:04.320 If people want me to like commit to a date or commit to a, that's when I'm, I go silent

01:24:07.840 because it's like, no, if I want to commit to a date, I go to 1A.

01:24:12.060 You go to 1A.

01:24:12.480 I don't even go to.

01:24:14.840 It's true because she keeps the schedule.

01:24:17.360 Because you'll be, I'll be there.

01:24:18.620 No, you won't.

01:24:19.640 I'm paralyzed with you.

01:24:19.880 You know, you don't know.

01:24:20.900 You don't know.

01:24:21.540 She keeps your schedule.

01:24:22.700 So I know to go to her.

01:24:23.800 Can we say 1A for the first time in like our history together had a fail yesterday?

01:24:29.240 Oh, no.

01:24:29.600 You're going to talk about that.

01:24:30.300 I'm going to tell.

01:24:31.040 We got here to Vegas and 1A went to the wrong terminal to pick up her luggage and we went

01:24:36.680 to the right terminal.

01:24:37.620 Thank God.

01:24:38.020 I kind of followed our friend, Eliza, who was kind of looking up at the signs while I was

01:24:41.240 just talking, talking, talking, talking.

01:24:42.560 She's like, no, this way, this way, this way.

01:24:43.940 I would have gotten lost, too.

01:24:45.500 There was a shuttle and a tram.

01:24:47.460 The point is, Abby screwed something up.

01:24:49.640 Come on.

01:24:49.940 This is a big moment.

01:24:51.380 It doesn't happen that often.

01:24:52.560 Oh, no.

01:24:53.180 It was so fun.

01:24:54.060 She knew I was going to tell us.

01:24:54.980 Okay.

01:24:55.460 She thought I was going to tell us.

01:24:56.480 Anyway, we wind up getting in a car that we had ordered to take us to the hotel.

01:25:01.160 And they wound up giving us a limo because they ran out of regular cars.

01:25:04.900 So we're in the, you, Eliza, and I are in the limo.

01:25:07.560 And tell them what the driver does.

01:25:09.340 She said, do you want to stop at the liquor store?

01:25:11.460 And you said, how far is the drive?

01:25:15.440 10, 15 minutes.

01:25:16.600 And we can last 10, 15 minutes without liquor.

01:25:19.820 We just, we'll be okay.

01:25:22.080 We will be okay.

01:25:23.160 You know you're in Vegas when they're like, you're never going to be able to make it without

01:25:25.500 a trip to the liquor store in these 10 minutes while we made it.

01:25:28.520 And then she's like, you might need it for the hotel.

01:25:29.900 I'm like, what kind of hotel is this?

01:25:31.960 They have liquor everywhere.

01:25:33.860 Although my first drink last night was not good.

01:25:36.260 Yeah.

01:25:36.520 You know what?

01:25:36.860 You got to get the standard martini.

01:25:38.560 If you go to the fruity.

01:25:39.460 But I'm a margarita.

01:25:40.380 I am just lime juice and tequila.

01:25:42.900 You know what?

01:25:43.400 We have another night to make it happen.

01:25:45.000 That's right.

01:25:45.500 Love you ladies so much.

01:25:46.920 Love the rest of Joe Palooza.

01:25:48.240 And let this serve as a reminder to those folks listening, be in touch with your friends.

01:25:51.880 Do better than I do on the texts.

01:25:53.280 It always feels so good to get up off that couch and get together with the people who

01:25:58.180 love you and who you love.

01:25:59.560 And you are two of those for me.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 15, 2023

Does Nikki Haley Have a Shot, and Parenting and Friendship Tips, with David Sacks, and Megyn's Friends ｜ Ep. 494

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