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00:01:00.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.500 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly.

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00:01:15.620 Hunter Biden is in a face-off with the first lady of the United States, Melania Trump.

00:01:23.220 She is demanding that he apologize for saying that it was Jeffrey Epstein who introduced her to Donald Trump

00:01:31.600 and suggesting she's going to sue him if he doesn't back down on that claim that he made in that very public YouTube interview with the show that calls itself Channel 5,

00:01:43.420 I think, or Channel 4, whatever channel.

00:01:46.600 And Hunter Biden's refusing.

00:01:49.220 So we could see very soon a lawsuit by Melania Trump against Hunter Biden.

00:01:54.640 We'll show you exactly what he said and then what he said in response to her legal threat.

00:01:59.140 Also, there was a big arrest in D.C. amid President Trump's crime crackdown involving a Subway sandwich.

00:02:07.740 And according to A.G. Pam Bondi, the man who threw that sandwich at a cop worked at her Department of Justice.

00:02:15.940 She says he's now been fired.

00:02:17.840 We'll show you the tape and Judge Jeanine's comments because she's the prosecutor who's going to have to handle this in response.

00:02:26.820 And we'll get to what's going to happen to this guy who apparently worked at the Department of Justice.

00:02:33.180 This is unbelievable.

00:02:34.400 I mean, this is Pam Bondi saying this is what we're up against, trying to clean up, you know, departments like this.

00:02:39.840 Stubergeer will be here in a moment to break it all down.

00:02:41.700 But we are starting today with another stunning revelation about Barack Obama's Justice Department and FBI.

00:02:47.980 Can I just tell you something?

00:02:48.780 I want you to listen to the story today.

00:02:50.040 OK, we're going to go through this with John Sullivan.

00:02:51.460 I want you to go through the story, listening and remembering all the reporting we've done here on this show that you guys were with us for on.

00:03:01.600 The IRS and how their investigation into Hunter Biden was slow rolled to the point that most of the statutes of limitation expired.

00:03:11.700 Remember, we found that out from those two whistleblowers.

00:03:14.980 It was, I think, two years ago I was down here at the Jersey Shore and we were talking to those two whistleblowers who gave us their first interview and told us all about how the DOJ had slow rolled their investigation to the point where they all they all expired.

00:03:34.080 The statutes of limitation against Hunter Biden for his tax evasion and his sketchy scheme overseas, taking all this money from, you know, Burisma and Ukraine and elsewhere.

00:03:45.640 Well, guess what?

00:03:48.000 What Solomon is revealing today is the same story, different players.

00:03:52.920 He's reporting now that the FBI director, Kash Patel, has just uncovered a memo that appears to show top DOJ and FBI officials obstructing an investigation into allegations of corruption against Bill and Hillary Clinton's family foundation, known as the Clinton Foundation.

00:04:12.280 That back in 15 and 16, the FBI was actually interested in the Peter Schweitzer book, Clinton Cash, and actually said, you know what?

00:04:24.320 There's something there there and we better start looking into it and have no less than three different field agents, agencies, part of the FBI looking into it.

00:04:33.140 But they got shut down by Andrew McCabe, deputy director of the FBI under Obama.

00:04:40.820 And Sally Yates, deputy AG under Loretta Lynch, Obama's top people at DOJ and FBI said, no, no, it's Hillary Clinton.

00:04:52.040 We're not doing that.

00:04:53.640 We're not doing that.

00:04:54.520 Same way they said, no, no, it's Hillary Clinton. 0.99

00:04:57.640 We're not doing that when it comes to investigating or seeing through the investigation on her homebrew server and the email scandal.

00:05:07.820 Remember, we've been talking about the documents that showed Loretta Lynch allegedly saying she would make sure it didn't go too far.

00:05:13.820 So Hillary Clinton twice protected, according to these documents, for her utter corruption, her criminal corruption. 1.00

00:05:23.120 That's how it looks in these papers.

00:05:24.540 Meanwhile, Donald Trump gets indicted twice, twice by Joe Biden's DOJ, special counsel, counsel Jack Smith, for allegedly having classified documents at Mar-a-Lago that he as president had the right to have.

00:05:42.760 And for the January 6th nonsense on the Capitol.

00:05:48.920 OK, he gets indicted twice.

00:05:50.740 They rushed to throw the legal system at Donald Trump.

00:05:56.440 And with Hillary Clinton time and time again, just like with Hunter Biden, those in power work together to protect their favorite Democrats. 0.91

00:06:06.340 It's disgusting.

00:06:07.640 And now we're really getting the details of a general foundational story we did know.

00:06:16.180 But as with so many of these reveals lately, we're getting names, we're getting specific titles and we're finding out exactly who was standing in the way of the wheels of justice turning against a dem.

00:06:29.560 Now, former President Obama's deputy attorney general, Sally Yates, is even quoted in the Solomon release now as saying, shut it down. 0.90

00:06:38.940 Sally Yates is a name we've heard many times over the years.

00:06:41.720 She's a party loyalist.

00:06:43.260 She's been painted by the left as some sort of a heroine for standing up against Donald Trump.

00:06:49.960 She's a partisan hack. 0.98

00:06:51.360 And I'm embarrassed she shares my son's name here to explain it.

00:06:55.360 Right now, John Solomon, the founder of Just the News.

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00:08:09.260 John, welcome back.

00:08:11.280 Yeah, good to be with you, Megan.

00:08:12.600 You laid it out perfectly.

00:08:13.740 That's the dual system of justice we just lived under for the last 10 years.

00:08:17.960 It's shocking.

00:08:19.520 So take us through the latest reveal.

00:08:22.560 So people, I think, will become more familiar over the next few weeks as we continue to dig through what we now know and what we're about to learn,

00:08:31.820 that March of 2016 is a moment of great peril for the Democratic Party.

00:08:37.460 Donald Trump's essentially secured the nomination.

00:08:40.220 They have a populist that looks like the Brexit movement in America, and they're mortified.

00:08:45.880 Hillary Clinton is still trying to crank down her email scandal. 0.99

00:08:49.400 And the Justice Department now knows two things have happened simultaneously.

00:08:54.460 One, that three separate FBI offices, New York, Little Rock, and Washington Field Office, so two powerhouses and then Little Rock,

00:09:04.740 have all predicated investigations looking at pay-to-play allegations against Hillary Clinton.

00:09:10.740 Some of that predication was based on Peter Schweitzer's great book, Clinton Cash.

00:09:14.960 Some of that predication was based on a couple of stories I wrote back in 2015 for the Washington Times.

00:09:22.200 And so they have a confidential human source in one of those cases.

00:09:25.300 They have multiple documents.

00:09:27.000 They have some video and audio footage.

00:09:29.160 And they believe they have a true predicated investigation looking at criminal pay-to-play.

00:09:34.400 Basically, you pay the foundation, you get something from Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State.

00:09:39.300 It's a mortal threat, way more mortal than the complicated email scandal, which you can always blame on negligence.

00:09:47.060 And at the same time that's happening, it's very important to remember, and I'm going to show people these emails soon.

00:09:52.300 These are emails that the Justice Department's had for a long time.

00:09:54.760 Hunter Biden's emails and his records of his business partners have been subpoenaed, and Hunter Biden and his lawyers are panicked.

00:10:06.480 They're going to discover that Hunter Biden was welching on his taxes.

00:10:09.500 He was not paying taxes on Burisma, the money he had gotten in Ukraine.

00:10:14.480 So I want to set that stage because March of 16 is a moment of calamity.

00:10:18.160 March through May, there are multiple Democratic scandals that potentially put Donald Trump in a much better position to win the nomination because the Democratic Party is going to look like the party of corruption.

00:10:31.720 And it's in that moment that Sally Yates steps into the void and says, shut it down.

00:10:38.700 And think about this.

00:10:39.320 Donald Trump's on the campaign, Joe, chanting, lock her up. 1.00

00:10:43.900 It turns out the FBI has some evidence that might lock her up if they can get through the official prosecution.

00:10:50.140 And the answer back from Barack Obama's Justice Department is, shut it down.

00:10:55.860 They form a protection racket around Hillary Clinton.

00:10:59.640 And as we know from the IRS whistleblowers, eventually a protection racket around Hunter Biden.

00:11:05.620 And then they pivot and they start to legitimize a false investigation against Donald Trump.

00:11:11.480 That is the spring and summer of 2016.

00:11:14.800 And there are just some remarkable dates that we all need to remember because they are going to be seminal to the conspiracy.

00:11:22.380 The first is January 6, 2016, four years, or excuse me, January 6, 2017, four years before the January 6th that Democrats like to talk about.

00:11:32.780 It's on that day that the Intelligence Committee assessments released, and it's the day before when Sally Yates is in a meeting with the president and the vice president, Barack Obama, Joe Biden, concocting how they can keep pursuing former National Security Advisor Mike Flynn when the FBI has just cleared him of any criminal wrongdoing.

00:11:52.500 It is that January 5th and 6th that create the distrust that ultimately boils over on January 6, 2021.

00:11:59.920 And then on July 5, 2016, the day that James Comey walks out and waves a magic wand without the legal authority to do so, and clears Hillary Clinton in the email scandal, that same day, Christopher Steele walks into the FBI with information that ultimately becomes the Steele dossier.

00:12:20.080 Those two dates are not just symbolic.

00:12:22.940 They are meaningful dates in the conspiracy.

00:12:25.820 And in between those two dates, the FBI is pressing to open up a very serious criminal investigation.

00:12:32.800 And that's when the Obama Justice Department decides we're going to shut it down.

00:12:38.800 So this would have been James Comey at the top of that FBI whose three field offices were looking into Hillary Clinton.

00:12:47.020 So, I mean, he presumably knew about it.

00:12:50.620 And I guess at this point was OK with it, because according to this report, he was not the one to shut it down.

00:12:56.960 It was his boss, Sally Yates, is effectively over him as the deputy attorney general.

00:13:03.120 Yeah, let's keep in mind how these two departments work.

00:13:06.040 The dirty work always falls down to the deputy, right?

00:13:08.440 You never have the attorney general put her hands on it.

00:13:10.820 You never have the FBI director with rear exception.

00:13:13.460 And Comey actually violated that role.

00:13:14.980 But that's what deputies exist for in these departments, to carry out the will of the boss and to have their fingerprints on the decision.

00:13:21.780 So it's not an accident that it's Sally Yates and the deputy director at the time, Andrew McCabe, that are doing this.

00:13:30.240 There's no chance, zero chance, that the attorney general and FBI director don't know of something this high.

00:13:37.060 These are what are called politically sensitive investigations.

00:13:39.660 The director always gets, as does the attorney general, they get advised when there's a politically sensitive figure who's now under criminal investigation.

00:13:47.040 Now, we've got to go get that evidence still.

00:13:49.220 That's part of the paper trail.

00:13:51.180 But the deputies are simply carrying out the duties.

00:13:54.260 But there's very little chance that the principals don't already know.

00:13:58.620 OK, so we're not ready to give James Comey any credit whatsoever for the three field offices digging into Hillary Clinton.

00:14:06.340 More than likely, he was in on the plan to kill it.

00:14:09.320 We don't have the evidence of it yet.

00:14:10.700 We're just supposing at this point.

00:14:12.160 But we do have the evidence that Sally Yates killed it.

00:14:15.240 And the report seems to suggest, because this is a memo.

00:14:18.840 This is a memo, John, that was written by a DOJ lawyer.

00:14:23.500 And this lawyer seems to be whistleblowing on exactly how this went down, saying like the FBI was was looking into this.

00:14:32.540 And Sally Yates at DOJ, where this whistleblower or this lawyer works, shut it down. 1.00

00:14:38.620 Yeah, I'm not sure he's whistleblowing.

00:14:40.760 This might actually have been an exercise of CYA, right, covering a little bit of a tale here.

00:14:45.460 Because the lawyer is a DOJ lawyer who's been detailed to the FBI.

00:14:49.920 So that happens a lot.

00:14:51.500 Agency people get moved between agencies.

00:14:53.260 So he comes from the Justice Department.

00:14:55.180 He's working for the FBI, and he writes this memo down so that everybody has their story straight about why the FBI took a dive on Hillary Clinton.

00:15:04.960 And the goal here is to show, hey, the agents in the field were doing their job, but political pressure on top was coming in.

00:15:11.960 But he says in writing the memo, this is where I was trying to take it, but he says in writing the memo that they've been told to shut it down by Sally Yates.

00:15:18.700 But he seems to say without explanation, like she didn't say, here's why.

00:15:23.620 So, yeah, I think when we get to the bottom of this, the goal here was to say the FBI was a victim here.

00:15:30.060 The mean old Justice Department kept us from doing this.

00:15:32.820 And so when you read it, you see what needed to be chronicled, which is, you know, normally when an FBI agent has a criminal predicated investigation, you go to your local U.S. attorney, you get a grand jury started, you get subpoenas or search warrants, and you start finding out whether a crime should be prosecuted.

00:15:47.760 What happens after the order from Sally Yates shut it down is the FBI goes and tries to get that normal cooperation.

00:15:55.880 It happens every day, 30, 40 times a week between FBI agents and their affiliated U.S. attorney's office, and they find a common refrain.

00:16:05.020 We can't help you.

00:16:06.300 You have to go alone on this.

00:16:07.620 Well, you can't go alone.

00:16:08.460 An FBI agent can't get a grand jury subpoena.

00:16:11.600 Every U.S. attorney's office is following the direction of Sally Yates and saying, we just can't help you.

00:16:16.640 Sorry, we don't want to go there.

00:16:17.940 Not going to happen.

00:16:19.020 And then on top of that, their own boss, Andy McCabe, the number two official, is saying, no overt action unless I approve it.

00:16:26.340 And that was very troubling to the FBI agents on the front lines.

00:16:30.460 Here's why.

00:16:31.240 Everybody knew by that time that Andy McCabe's wife had run as a Democrat for a Virginia State Senate seat and had solicited financial help from Terry McAuliffe, the Virginia governor,

00:16:45.400 and the longtime protege of the Clintons, the former chief fundraiser of the Clintons.

00:16:49.420 He's the guy that presided over the 1990s Asia fundraising scandal that left such a dark mark over the Clinton presidency.

00:16:57.260 So they know this guy's conflicted.

00:16:59.480 His wife is beholden to the Democrats and to somebody that Hillary Clinton relies on to raise money. 0.98

00:17:07.180 And more so, at the time Andy McCabe did that, it turns out the FBI had an open investigation against Terry McAuliffe.

00:17:14.040 So the agents now are very suspicious.

00:17:17.420 Why is Andy McCabe allowed to ride herd on this when he has a conflict of interest?

00:17:21.580 And why is the Justice Department not helping us when every time we go for a grand jury, we know we get our help?

00:17:27.080 They knew the fix was in it.

00:17:28.600 At some point, this lawyer is asked to put together a chronology so that there is a record of exactly who said what when.

00:17:36.060 And that's what this document represents.

00:17:37.620 The interesting chronology shows that in March of 2016, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Arkansas informed the FBI's Little Rock investigators.

00:17:51.660 Again, as you point out, there are FBI investigations in Washington, D.C., and New York, and in Little Rock, which is where the Clintons, of course, live for many years.

00:17:58.440 So it shows that in March of 2016, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Eastern District of Arkansas informed the FBI's Little Rock investigators that then Deputy Attorney General Sally Yates ordered the federal prosecutors to shut it down, to, quote, shut it down.

00:18:14.860 This is new per your reporting in the Cash Patel release.

00:18:18.940 So that's March of 2016, Little Rock FBI is being told to shut it down.

00:18:24.000 Then we get to August of 2016, federal prosecutors in the Southern District of New York and the Eastern District of New York purportedly said that they would not support the investigation into the Clinton Foundation, according to this timeline.

00:18:40.740 No explanation was given.

00:18:42.460 That's August of 2016.

00:18:44.220 In June of 2016, so in between the bad news to the Little Rock investigators that came in March, and the bad news unleashed by SDNY and EDNY in August of 2016, so in June of 2016 was the Bill Clinton-Loretta Lynch meeting on the tarmac.

00:19:06.020 We covered that on Fox News.

00:19:07.980 It was such a big deal.

00:19:09.280 Everyone knew something happened on board that airplane where they just happened to meet.

00:19:16.500 That was the story they wanted us to believe, that the planes just happened to land at the same place at the same time in Phoenix, and they claimed they did not discuss anything.

00:19:27.820 They didn't discuss any DOJ investigation, nothing.

00:19:30.600 But they never had problems again after that, according to this timeline, John, with the Clinton Foundation investigation.

00:19:40.260 Yeah, you got it right.

00:19:41.380 And listen, this is something I've been saying for a long time.

00:19:45.060 And if you remember, four years ago, five years ago, I was on Fox and helping people understand the Uranium One investigation.

00:19:52.620 The Uranium One investigation was one of the allegations that this set of corruption probes were predicated on, that a transaction was allowed to go, American and North American-owned uranium was allowed to go to Rosatom and Vladimir Putin's uranium agency around the time that large transfers of money went to the Clinton Foundation.

00:20:17.780 And Hillary Clinton's State Department is one of the approval points in that thing. 1.00

00:20:21.680 That's one of the predications that they were looking at at the time.

00:20:25.220 That detail was in the FBI's hands, but it wasn't in the public's hands yet.

00:20:30.440 And there's a confidential human source that is assisting that part of the investigation.

00:20:34.580 You'll see in the timeline, there's a mention of a CHS, confidential human source.

00:20:38.720 So that's going on, and it's heating up.

00:20:41.720 And I've always argued that I don't believe the TARMAC meeting could have been about the email investigation because Hillary Clinton's lawyers knew by mid-June that the FBI was shutting down the email case, that it was going to be a recommendation of no prosecution.

00:20:58.340 And they weren't worried about it anymore.

00:20:59.820 I know that for certain as a reporter who was talking to Hillary Clinton's legal team.

00:21:04.500 They knew in mid to late June that they were out of peril.

00:21:07.880 We didn't know yet.

00:21:08.740 We didn't know until July 5th.

00:21:10.160 But they knew.

00:21:11.360 They also knew that Little Rock was bubbling up on a corruption investigation.

00:21:17.000 And I think the more likely thing that we all ought to be focusing on is, did that come up in the meeting?

00:21:24.240 Was there any mention of the foundation?

00:21:25.680 And two, was some of the concern about the emails on Hillary Clinton's servers not the classified information, but what might have been chronicled about what the secretary was dealing with that had relationships

00:21:37.380 to donors at the Clinton Foundation?

00:21:39.660 I think that that is a very significant question that the FBI was trying to get to the bottom of and didn't.

00:21:46.140 And I'm going to remind you of one thing we learned from Tulsi.

00:21:48.380 A few weeks ago, we learned that there are five thumb drives of evidence in the Hillary Clinton email investigation that were never looked at.

00:21:58.080 That is the explosive annex that got released with the help of Chuck Grassley, with the help of the president.

00:22:02.980 At my request, I made the request to the president.

00:22:06.020 No one has ever exploited what is on those five thumb drives.

00:22:09.100 And we ought to now all be pressing to get that information.

00:22:12.440 I've already filed a Freedom of Information Act request.

00:22:15.040 Five thumb drives.

00:22:16.440 Maybe there's some evidence on those thumb drives that would relate either to classified documents or to the Clinton Foundation case.

00:22:24.760 And I think that is a place now that if the Justice Department revives all of this information, that's a strong place that they're likely to start.

00:22:32.720 I just can't get over the contrast.

00:22:34.940 They raided Melania Trump's underwear drawer.

00:22:38.040 They searched Barron Trump's personals down at Mar-a-Lago.

00:22:42.360 They uncovered every stone in an effort to get Trump, this FBI, Biden's FBI and DOJ, and actually did bring criminal charges against him.

00:22:51.640 The Democrats did in four different jurisdictions.

00:22:54.780 But with this, at every turn, John, they worked to dismiss evidence to when they found it, simply look the other way.

00:23:01.640 When they might have been getting close to indicting, been told no by the deputy attorney general or the attorney general herself, not interested.

00:23:10.040 It won't go, quote, too far.

00:23:11.480 I mean, the double standard when it comes to a Clinton and a Biden on the one hand versus a man named Donald Trump on the other is shocking.

00:23:20.380 And the dismissal of any evidence that downplayed their narrative on Putin's trying to help Trump.

00:23:28.340 Right. 1.00

00:23:28.420 Like they they had so much telling them that that is bullshit. 0.99

00:23:31.780 He actually didn't care who won the election. 0.98

00:23:34.480 They worked so hard to dismiss the evidence that helped Trump and to play up the obvious false evidence like Christopher Steele dossier that would impugn Trump.

00:23:44.360 But meanwhile, you've got three different FBI agents all driving toward the same conclusion, which is the sitting secretary of state is corrupt.

00:23:53.060 She is doing pay to play. You can only get access to her as the secretary of state if you donate to her corrupt Clinton foundation and it gets shut down. 1.00

00:24:04.700 It's the opposite. It's literally a 180 from what they did to Donald Trump.

00:24:09.620 Yeah. Listen, the way you opened your show, there's no better description of what the conspiracy is.

00:24:14.340 It's a conspiracy to protect potential Democrats from potential criminal prosecution and then to violate the civil liberties and privacy and reputations of innocent Republicans to create an alternate story to protect political interests, meaning what's going to happen in the election.

00:24:31.500 That's what it is. It's not it's not more complicated.

00:24:34.340 And I know people say, oh, a conspiracy case is going to be complicated.

00:24:36.860 No, it's really not.

00:24:37.900 We protected Democrats. And the cycle is Hillary has two problems. 1.00

00:24:42.720 Email, now corruption. We can prove that was active at the time.

00:24:46.600 Hunter Biden's got corruption and taxes.

00:24:48.880 And by the way, the first evidence of that comes in in March and March through May of 2016.

00:24:54.400 And then 2019, it's Hunter Biden a lot more.

00:24:58.640 And so we impeached the president and we have the government actually creating stories that I think we will prove were false.

00:25:03.720 And then in 21, they find Joe Biden's classified documents at UPenn office in Washington and his garage.

00:25:10.320 And they got to make Donald Trump look like he's the classified guy first before they can let the cat out of the bag that Joe Biden has the same problem.

00:25:17.560 It's a wash, rinse and repeat cycle.

00:25:19.920 And in the course of that, two potential crimes are occurring.

00:25:22.840 Obstruction of legitimate investigations.

00:25:25.700 Those are overt acts of a conspiracy.

00:25:27.220 And then the violation of innocent people's civil liberties to create a political ruse.

00:25:32.820 That is where I believe the grand conspiracy case is headed.

00:25:36.020 I now believe that there are multiple grand juries that have begun work around this country in multiple jurisdictions outside of Washington where evidence is now being gathered.

00:25:45.420 You do?

00:25:46.380 I do.

00:25:47.440 You can report that or you have reason to believe that?

00:25:50.120 Nope.

00:25:50.440 I have confirmed witnesses who've had contact with the grand jury.

00:25:53.580 So there are grand juries in multiple locations.

00:25:55.820 Some of those are in Virginia.

00:25:57.100 I believe one is going to begin based on early discussions in Pennsylvania.

00:26:00.700 There may be one in New York.

00:26:02.380 And so the activity has begun.

00:26:05.600 And the question now is, and those are probably not going to be the indicting locations.

00:26:09.600 I think the more likely thing is you use multiple grand juries just to make it easy to gather lots of information quickly.

00:26:15.380 That's the way strike forces work. 0.99

00:26:17.320 And then you keep working from there.

00:26:18.620 But there are multiple locations where pieces of this are being looked at.

00:26:22.180 And maybe the grand jurors don't even know it's a grand conspiracy, just looking at some of the overt acts in one of these chapters of this sad story.

00:26:30.780 But that is going on.

00:26:32.420 And I think it's going to be a process, right?

00:26:34.620 It's going to be a six-month process.

00:26:35.520 Why Pennsylvania?

00:26:36.120 Very.

00:26:37.160 I don't know the reason yet.

00:26:38.460 I wish I knew.

00:26:39.200 I don't know the reason.

00:26:40.200 I mean, there's lots.

00:26:41.120 It could be related to the 2020 election.

00:26:43.840 Yeah, that's where my mind went.

00:26:44.920 Yeah, yeah.

00:26:46.120 So we don't know yet.

00:26:47.560 I just know that certain witnesses have been contacted about acceptance of grand jury subpoenas, and they're in different locations.

00:26:53.860 So the process is beginning.

00:26:56.260 But it's a long process.

00:26:57.700 And, you know, we won't know a lot about if the Justice Department does the right thing, unlike the Obama and Biden Justice Departments that leaked anything, the grand jury process will be unbelievably secret and will be masked from it because that's the way the process is supposed to work.

00:27:12.100 In the meantime, we have an opportunity through the Freedom of Information Act and through our purchase as reporters to go out and try to get the story for the American people so they can understand why this is going on.

00:27:24.080 The Democrats, who didn't care about going after a president when it was the Republican, are going to start crying, this is payback, this is retribution.

00:27:32.140 We need Americans to understand it's not payback and retribution.

00:27:35.580 There are legitimate legal questions here. 0.99

00:27:37.800 I mean, all that comes to mind in response to that is, you know, as Socrates or Aristotle might have put it, suck it. 0.98

00:27:46.820 I couldn't care less. 0.99

00:27:47.760 Like, too bad.

00:27:49.220 What they have done, truly, they must be punished.

00:27:53.900 They must have skin in the game, real skin in the game, or they really will, A, just have gotten away with it, and B, do it again.

00:28:00.320 Again, a couple of questions here.

00:28:02.560 What, I agree with you that if there's a grand conspiracy case brought, it's not going to be in Pennsylvania.

00:28:06.920 It's probably going to be down in Florida, which, you know, we've had a lot of people kind of kick around and raise over and over in this context.

00:28:13.440 The raid on Mar-a-Lago is part of this, which would give them jurisdiction down there.

00:28:16.540 The odds of getting a better judge and a better jury much higher for Team Trump.

00:28:20.640 But what are you hearing when it comes to the possible, possible names who might potentially be looking at an indictment here?

00:28:31.080 Yeah, the only thing I know for sure is that there are multiple referrals.

00:28:34.600 The first referrals came from the House Intelligence Committee in 19 and 20.

00:28:38.180 They've been secret all this time, but I have confirmed as many as a dozen people referred at that moment in 19 and 20 in the aftermath of the Ukraine impeachment show and the Russia collusion unraveling.

00:28:52.240 Then there are the ones from John Ratcliffe, and there are the ones from Tulsi Gabbard.

00:28:56.220 We kind of know some of those names.

00:28:58.020 John, Brennan, James, too many people like that.

00:28:59.940 Yeah, those are there.

00:29:00.880 And I wouldn't be surprised based on yesterday's release of some information, which was incremental but important.

00:29:06.700 You've got James Clapper.

00:29:09.060 So it wouldn't be surprising if those names are there.

00:29:11.400 They have said on television they expect to be encountering the criminal justice system in some way, and they're lawyering up.

00:29:17.140 So I think those are reasonable things.

00:29:19.500 I think this starts much lower than the big names.

00:29:22.080 And when you're rolling up the mob, you start with the capos and the street lieutenants.

00:29:25.860 You don't go right to the Godfather, right?

00:29:27.340 You don't go to John Gotti right away.

00:29:28.840 So they're going to roll up people in the deep state and in these nonprofits and in some of these other places and then get them to testify upward.

00:29:36.520 Until they get to the top.

00:29:37.880 So the big guns are probably not going to face much consequence short term other than maybe a subpoena for the records.

00:29:43.740 And I think that's, you know, if it's a traditional conspiracy case, like you pursue the mob and the cartels, that's how they normally work.

00:29:50.240 And I think the Justice Department is going back to the way it used to do things.

00:29:54.280 And that should be comforting to us.

00:29:56.520 Yeah.

00:29:56.960 All right.

00:29:57.360 I have another.

00:29:57.980 It's related, but it's just so the audience can follow us along.

00:30:01.400 It's it's off.

00:30:02.520 It's off the discussion of today's news.

00:30:05.220 You mentioned the House Intelligence Report, this one that was done in 2020 that wound up in a safe at Langley.

00:30:11.400 Now, I'm trying to understand, John, why why it is that we didn't get to see this until just now, until it got declassified.

00:30:20.120 And what what I'm finding, because, you know, you've got to go back and remember who was in charge.

00:30:25.720 So Trump won in 16 and the Republicans won the House.

00:30:29.620 So the Republicans had control of the House from 16.

00:30:32.300 Well, I mean, he took office in 17, but they they get sworn in a little earlier.

00:30:36.320 So the Republicans take office fall of 16 through fall of 18.

00:30:41.420 And then they lost control of the House to the Democrats.

00:30:45.100 So in that two year period, while Trump was president, Devin Nunes was the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee.

00:30:53.540 And he launched an investigation into how the Russiagate nonsense got generated.

00:31:00.580 And he was a real hero.

00:31:02.020 I mean, he's truly like an unsung hero.

00:31:04.020 I mean, he's kind of some some Republicans know, but he really did get to the bottom of a lot of the nonsense.

00:31:08.900 But he didn't release the report that the House Intel report that really the one that we've been discussing that has all these new juicy nuggets in it.

00:31:16.860 He didn't release it.

00:31:18.660 That investigation seems to have continued even once the Democrats took power in the House and Adam Schiff, then a congressman, took over as chairman of the committee.

00:31:29.800 It continued going and it wasn't completed until the fall of 2020 when the Democrats were still in control of the committee.

00:31:39.560 So I don't I don't I don't understand why when it was finally done, it didn't get released.

00:31:45.740 I can see why Adam Schiff didn't necessarily want to release it because it doesn't it wasn't good for his side and the Russiagate stuff.

00:31:51.960 But why wouldn't a Republican have leaked it?

00:31:55.300 Why would why what what I'm reading online is that it's the Republicans who sent it to the CIA and then the CIA didn't want to declassify it.

00:32:03.660 And they put it in this safe at Langley.

00:32:05.820 So why would the Republicans not have made sure this thing got leaked and made public in 2020?

00:32:12.860 Why did it go underground for five years with all these revelations in it?

00:32:17.280 Because Republicans filed the law.

00:32:18.820 This had highly classified information about sources and methods.

00:32:22.360 Some of it is still redacted, even in the version that we got in the last couple of weeks.

00:32:25.880 So they weren't willing to do an Adam Schiff, which is religiously classified information.

00:32:30.040 They followed the law that I think they believe that their Republican president and his administration would get it out there.

00:32:36.380 But the CIA under Gina Haspel often wasn't very friendly to the Republican House Intelligence Oversight Committee. 0.99

00:32:42.040 That's Trump's CIA director.

00:32:43.360 Keep going.

00:32:43.840 Yep.

00:32:44.500 Recommended by Mike Pompeo.

00:32:46.600 And I think when history looks back over time, it is that intelligence apparatus under Gina Haspel that allowed some of the Ukraine things to go on that we now know to be bogus.

00:32:57.160 It's that intelligence apparatus that slowed down Devin Nunes until he was in the minority.

00:33:02.480 And then once you're in the minority, the only way you can force it out is by a vote of the committee.

00:33:06.840 You're going to lose that vote because you don't have enough members.

00:33:09.540 So the system, that steel curtain, I used to cover football and I was a sports writer early in my career.

00:33:15.420 And everybody remembers the great Pittsburgh Steelers defense.

00:33:17.800 No one could get through that line.

00:33:18.960 They were called the steel curtain.

00:33:20.720 Donald Trump faced the steel curtain.

00:33:23.100 It was at the Justice Department.

00:33:24.400 It was at the FBI.

00:33:25.400 It was at the CIA.

00:33:26.380 It was at the ODNI.

00:33:27.300 And the secrets that could have exonerated him or informed the American people got trapped in that steel curtain until just a few short weeks ago.

00:33:36.560 It is remarkable that they were able to keep things a secret for nine, six, seven, six years.

00:33:42.400 And by the way, we're not done seeing some crazy secrets exposed.

00:33:47.440 There's going to be more troubling things ahead than anything we've talked about this week.

00:33:51.200 Oh, my gosh.

00:33:52.120 All right.

00:33:52.280 Well, just just clear your schedule every day at noon until this stops.

00:33:57.080 One one not unrelated question to that.

00:34:00.620 Yeah.

00:34:00.960 To that question.

00:34:01.800 The Senate Intel Committee and its report.

00:34:05.500 This is the Democrats favorite thing to point to.

00:34:08.920 They say there is no scandal here whatsoever.

00:34:11.540 And you need look no further than at Marco Rubio's Senate Intelligence Committee, which they claim verified all the things in that January intelligence community assessment.

00:34:24.140 It's not true.

00:34:24.720 They did not support that.

00:34:26.700 Like the key conclusions on collusion, et cetera, or Putin wanting to help Trump.

00:34:31.660 But it did generally support what the ICA had found.

00:34:37.760 And one thing all along we've been asking is why?

00:34:40.840 And I've heard different answers from different very smart people.

00:34:43.260 What's your answer to that, John?

00:34:45.240 So I saw this split as I was reporting.

00:34:48.960 You know, I was breaking a lot of the early Russia collusion reversal stories even before Devin's story 18 report came out.

00:34:55.820 And I continued to be on Fox for a long time.

00:34:57.540 And kind of every night we'd unravel it on one of the great shows.

00:35:02.000 I met an unusual schism inside the Republican Party.

00:35:05.900 And that schism on one side would be someone like Paul Ryan who wanted to believe that the FBI would never mislead Congress.

00:35:13.040 And so for the longest time, Paul Ryan's like, John, I think you lost your marbles, dude.

00:35:16.880 I think you're over the line here.

00:35:18.440 Trust me, I'm getting the stuff you don't see.

00:35:20.160 And I'm like, Sarah, I'm getting the stuff you aren't seeing.

00:35:22.180 And at some point in the late summer, you could go check this, late summer of 2018, he gave me a statement saying I was wrong.

00:35:30.580 There is a problem here.

00:35:31.660 We were misled and I'm pissed.

00:35:33.140 And that was the first pivot moment.

00:35:35.200 The same sort of mindset, which is, you know, there are Republicans who want to believe that the institutions we used to trust and they could still trust.

00:35:40.760 And so they were believing the briefings they get from an Andy McCabe, a Pete Strzok, and a Bill Priestap inside the FBI.

00:35:46.960 Obviously, those briefings were not nearly as complete as we would later learn.

00:35:52.180 On the other side were the Devin Nuneses, which is, listen, I'm just a common sense guy.

00:35:56.100 None of this makes sense.

00:35:57.400 I know what the FBI tells me in these classified briefings, and it doesn't make sense.

00:36:01.440 And I'm just too curious not to find out the truth.

00:36:03.980 And that schism played out.

00:36:05.380 The largest group of institutionalists, the people who still wanted to believe the institutions would never mislead Congress, were on the Senate Intelligence Committee.

00:36:13.260 Marco Rubio wants to believe in institutions.

00:36:15.580 I think he did.

00:36:16.720 And certainly Bill Burr did.

00:36:18.060 And, you know, the Senator Burr was a huge critic of President Trump from North Carolina.

00:36:24.040 And so he's the chairman for most of the time that report is.

00:36:26.780 Marco gets to release it because Burr leaves.

00:36:28.660 But Marco's at the end of that process.

00:36:31.840 And I think at the end of the day, all of those members look back and say, all right, I know what I wrote then.

00:36:36.640 And I wrote it with what I was being told.

00:36:38.340 But the truth of the matter is we weren't told a lot of things.

00:36:41.340 I'd love to see what Marco Rubio would say about that report today.

00:36:44.800 I think he has been one of the true truth-tellers in the early Trump administration.

00:36:50.080 He's made big things happen.

00:36:51.940 And if he believed in the institutions back then, look at what he's done to the State Department since he got in.

00:36:56.660 He eviscerated an institution that had been completely corrupting the American public's expectations.

00:37:03.160 And the State Department, USID, are a little bit—that tells you something.

00:37:06.480 Marco Rubio finally figured out the institutions were the problem, not the solution.

00:37:10.720 And last question, Michael Schmidt, New York Times reporter, married to Nicole Wallace of MSNBC.

00:37:16.960 He was on her show yesterday.

00:37:19.220 They did not disclose that they're married.

00:37:21.020 I'm sorry.

00:37:21.660 That is a serious problem.

00:37:23.000 Yeah.

00:37:23.280 I mean, I've had my husband, Doug, on this show to promote his books.

00:37:28.720 You know, his latest book was a big—bestseller was nonfiction.

00:37:32.420 Even in that context, I disclosed to the audience, this is my husband.

00:37:35.300 The audience must know if you have a bias toward the person you're bringing on.

00:37:40.100 They must know that it's absolutely irresponsible to have him on to discuss Russiagate, a scandal in which he is caught up and have him opine on the scandal as an objective reporter who's got arm's length from the whole controversy.

00:37:55.160 This is extremely corrupt, but that's not what I might want to ask you.

00:37:58.980 She did ask him some questions about the Senate Intel Committee report, and actually it was the day before on his podcast, The Daily.

00:38:08.200 Podcast, that's right.

00:38:09.020 Yes, his newspaper's podcast, that he tried to dismiss that House Intel Committee report, John, by saying, it's done by a bunch of partisan hacks.

00:38:17.680 It was all these Republican partisan hacks.

00:38:19.780 And, like, they're the outlier.

00:38:21.360 They differed from the Senate Intel Committee report.

00:38:23.600 Kind of, like, dismissing it, like, what do you expect a bunch of MAGA faithful to write in assessing whether Trump was colluding with the Russians?

00:38:32.000 Your thoughts on that?

00:38:34.020 You know, I had a fascinating episode in the summer of 17.

00:38:38.360 My office at that time, I was working at the Hill, and I was right near the New York Times Washington Bureau office.

00:38:44.800 And I was going out to lunch.

00:38:46.160 I was taking a couple interns who had done a good job.

00:38:48.200 We were just going to get a sandwich and shop for a little bit.

00:38:50.560 And I was walking down the street, and one of the New York Times reporters, who I knew for a long time and respected, confronted me on the street and started screaming and yelling at me.

00:38:58.920 He literally was trying to get into fisticuffs with me, screaming that I was ruining his reputation and that I didn't understand who his sources were, and I was wrong about Russia collusion, and I was ruining his reputation.

00:39:10.660 And he literally was almost to the point of punching me.

00:39:13.020 And I told him, I seriously suggest you should just walk away now.

00:39:16.720 Walk away.

00:39:17.260 Calm yourself down. 0.99

00:39:17.980 Don't make a fool of yourself in the middle of the street. 0.99

00:39:19.780 And you're probably not going to hit me in the middle of the street because there's like 9,000 cameras. 1.00

00:39:23.060 And he ran off still screaming at me.

00:39:26.560 That passion I saw that day tells me something about the New York Times team that has done that reporting.

00:39:32.500 And that is they're so emotionally invested in the stories that they wrote, that they won Pulitzer's on, that they can't separate themselves from the job of what the facts are.

00:39:42.120 You just can't fall in love with a story.

00:39:44.220 That's one of the greatest dangers.

00:39:45.980 It's the ultimate blinders that journalists get when they make a mistake.

00:39:49.780 You have to always be a skeptic, even when it's a trusted source.

00:39:53.420 And I think history will look back at the Washington Post and the New York Times, much like Jeff Gerth has already done in the Columbia Journalism Review, and said good reporters, well-intentioned reporters, fell in love with the story and couldn't separate fact from fiction, couldn't see the motives of their sources.

00:40:10.760 We now know the motives of their sources.

00:40:12.920 Why?

00:40:13.340 Because that's what Daniel Richman admitted to.

00:40:15.200 What did he tell the FBI?

00:40:16.400 I was trying to take care of James Comey's image and fix it, and I was trying to set future narratives.

00:40:22.300 He was basically using the New York Times to accomplish the work he was being paid to do.

00:40:27.980 He had a motive.

00:40:28.640 I think history will look back at these teams and say, no matter what the Pulitzer Committee says, because I don't think anyone cares about the Pulitzer Committee anymore, their award system doesn't mean anything to anyone.

00:40:37.980 People say, John, you should get a Pulitzer.

00:40:39.240 No, I don't want it.

00:40:40.120 Don't give it to me.

00:40:41.000 I'll turn it back.

00:40:42.040 I don't want it.

00:40:42.700 But I think investigators, these investigative reporters fell in love with their sources and the storyline and couldn't see the facts from the fiction.

00:40:53.260 And that is a problem that has existed in journalism for 10 or 15 years.

00:40:57.880 Earlier generations of reporters have done great work at these institutions.

00:41:02.660 They did do Pulitzer caliber work in the meeting we mean it by, but they got blinders.

00:41:07.200 And I think when you see these defenses now, I mean, if you're still defending Russia collusion now, you're beyond delusional.

00:41:16.260 And the American public has moved beyond you if you're trying to make some defense of it.

00:41:20.300 The great journalists sometimes get it wrong.

00:41:22.620 It's not a perfect profession.

00:41:24.060 When you get it wrong, say so and move on.

00:41:26.680 The other piece of it is, and I watched this happen to you, and I knew you back on the Fox News days and knew you to be a man of integrity and you're reporting to be very solid.

00:41:35.440 But they tried and still try to paint you as a right wing lunatic, some sort of a nut job, far right, unreliable guy, because they have to.

00:41:45.960 Because either they're right or you're right. 0.60

00:41:48.880 Both cannot be true.

00:41:51.000 And so they engage in the politics of personal destruction. 0.98

00:41:54.600 You know, it has to be some fringy right wing lunatic. 1.00

00:41:57.460 Right. And you've told us the other day about your, you know, long background at the AP and the Washington Times and other respectable, well, previously at least, respectable outlets. 0.89

00:42:06.980 Yeah.

00:42:07.900 And it didn't matter because your narrative had to be squashed, and so did you.

00:42:14.020 Yeah, I definitely encountered that.

00:42:16.220 And, you know, to me, it turned out to be a blessing because I left a fractured industry that was misleading the public, and I tried to go do something that maybe would help fix it.

00:42:23.660 And I hope before I hang up my spurs one day, people say, hey, people like Megan and John and all the others who went out on their own and started things, they helped fix the problem.

00:42:31.980 They got the American people informed again.

00:42:34.820 You said something, and I think you nailed it.

00:42:38.260 The dynamic is either you're right or I'm right, and that's the personal nature of it that these reporters have looked at.

00:42:44.600 And I've always asked, are the facts right?

00:42:47.280 That's all I care about.

00:42:48.220 I don't care if I'm right or wrong.

00:42:49.300 I just want to get the facts right.

00:42:50.980 And I know that's what you do.

00:42:52.240 I look at how you prep for your show.

00:42:53.960 I've seen it the last couple days.

00:42:55.580 You are a quintessential reporter.

00:42:57.560 You care about the facts.

00:42:58.760 You want to know what's new, what's old, and the way you've interviewed me, that's just about being about the facts.

00:43:04.260 Too many of these reporters have gotten invested in their personality.

00:43:08.520 When I grew up in the AP, you didn't get a byline, right?

00:43:10.820 You were just by the Associated Press.

00:43:12.760 So your personality didn't matter.

00:43:14.400 Your work is what mattered, and that was a great culture to grow up in.

00:43:17.640 I think reporters have to stop worrying about their personalities and their social media followings and their stardom and who's going to assign them to the next book.

00:43:25.060 Prizes.

00:43:25.340 And get back to, yeah, prizes, yeah, exactly, prizes particularly, and just get back to the facts.

00:43:31.260 Am I right?

00:43:32.200 Just the facts, ma'am, like they used to say on Dragnet.

00:43:34.520 Let's get back to facts.

00:43:35.840 Facts matter.

00:43:36.720 And I'm so appreciative.

00:43:38.940 I listen to your podcast a lot, and you just focus on the facts.

00:43:41.640 And I think journalism is best when it does that.

00:43:44.580 And it's not about me and you, names and stardom.

00:43:47.860 It's about what the story told the American public and was it right. 1.00

00:43:51.300 We've got to get back to it.

00:43:52.100 That's the ultimate panacea.

00:43:53.120 I'm not sure we can, but I'm sure it's all going to try before I retire.

00:43:57.380 Yeah, amen to that.

00:43:58.680 No, my team will tell you.

00:43:59.940 I'm constantly saying, because obviously I'm a Trump supporter and they know that.

00:44:03.580 But I'm constantly saying when we do our editorial for this show, for AM Update, we are not in the business of running cover for Donald Trump.

00:44:10.100 If the facts are bad for Trump, that's going into our report.

00:44:12.760 That's coming into my research.

00:44:13.760 We are not in the business of running cover for him or any Republican or anyone whatsoever.

00:44:18.900 We're in the fact business.

00:44:20.280 And then I'll offer my own particular take on the news, which I think the audience understands the difference between.

00:44:26.880 But I would never sacrifice my credibility for him or any other politician.

00:44:30.320 And when you go down that line, there's no coming back from it, John, as you know.

00:44:33.900 Well, listen, I'm so grateful for your reporting, your honesty, and your commitment to truly intellectually stimulating, interesting reporting, no matter where it falls.

00:44:44.180 God bless you.

00:44:45.060 Back at you.

00:44:45.800 Thanks.

00:44:46.880 Thank you.

00:44:47.420 All right.

00:44:47.680 Well, I think we're going to see you soon.

00:44:50.300 Based on how things are going, John Solomon, get used to him.

00:44:52.520 You're going to see him a lot here on the MK Show.

00:44:54.720 All right.

00:44:54.840 We're back next with Stu Bergeer, who is here for the remainder of the show.

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00:45:56.000 Amid President Trump's D.C. crime crackdown, an incident involving a Subway sandwich is making news and has led to the arrest of a DOJ employee who's now been fired.

00:46:07.820 Joining me now is Stu Bergeer.

00:46:08.900 He's host of Blaze TV's Stu Does America.

00:46:11.360 Stu, welcome back.

00:46:12.100 Great to have you.

00:46:13.320 Thank you, Megan.

00:46:14.000 It's great to be here.

00:46:15.000 I appreciate it. 0.91

00:46:16.060 First of all, can you believe this crap with Solomon, what he's reporting, and like the day-to-day? 0.91

00:46:20.040 I mean, the cover-up, we knew, of course, that the Obama administration and the Biden administration ran cover for Hillary Clinton and had no interest in Clinton Foundation corruption, which has been, yeah, the whole books have been written about it. 0.96

00:46:35.160 But now we're getting really the details, like three FBI field offices had investigations into it, was shut down by the Deputy Attorney General, Sally Yates, under Loretta Lynch.

00:46:45.340 I mean, the Andrew McCabe, too.

00:46:48.020 Like, the number of people who are running cover for this woman we knew was corrupt.

00:46:54.020 It's stomach-turning.

00:46:55.160 It really is.

00:46:57.680 And I, you know, thank God we have people like John Solomon to sort through it.

00:47:01.900 I mean, I think it's tough for people to—

00:47:04.080 And Kash Patel and Tulsi to release it.

00:47:06.580 To release it, you know.

00:47:07.620 Yeah, and that's a huge piece of this, as you covered toward the end of the interview there, that, you know, having people who—and I think a lot of times we talk about, you know, people like me who just, you know, run my mouth on my opinions every single day.

00:47:19.220 I try to do the best to bring out the truth, of course, but, like, I'm not a reporter like John is.

00:47:22.740 I think at times conservatives have sort of abandoned that world thinking, well, you know, all these big institutional, you know, places like the New York Times and the Washington Post and the LA Times, they don't even hire conservatives.

00:47:33.280 They find out that you are even going to entertain the conservative perspective.

00:47:37.100 You're going to lose your job.

00:47:38.280 You're not going to get any of your Pulitzers. 1.00

00:47:39.700 You're not going to get any of those awards.

00:47:41.480 And so we sort of have almost, for a while, it felt like almost abandoned that space.

00:47:46.020 And I think John and several others, Peter Schweizer, I think, does a lot of this.

00:47:49.560 I know you do it as well.

00:47:50.360 People who actually care about journalism, people who care about the facts, going into that space and saying, no, we're just going to be – we're just going to be like dogs, attack dogs, going after this information and trying to find the truth and presenting it in a way, as John does.

00:48:04.220 He's not a hype machine.

00:48:06.480 You know, I don't know what John's – his social media following is probably pretty good considering all the hard work he does.

00:48:11.920 But he's not – you know, he's not trying to be explosive.

00:48:14.240 He's not trying to set off fireworks.

00:48:15.240 He's not doing engagement farming.

00:48:17.600 Exactly.

00:48:18.280 He's trying to give you – I mean, just the news is his website.

00:48:20.800 He's trying to give you the actual news.

00:48:22.880 And it's incredibly valuable to have people like that on our side because, you know, I think, you know, for the most part, the people who have those jobs at these big institutions are on the left.

00:48:34.500 Occasionally we'll see little blips of good reporting from those places.

00:48:38.560 But to have somebody who's looking at this on the daily basis.

00:48:40.260 Not on something like this.

00:48:42.540 They run from it.

00:48:43.100 Not on Russiagate.

00:48:44.080 This is not something they would touch.

00:48:45.660 And it really did cause serious damage.

00:48:47.640 I mean, all this that was done to President Trump, Russia, Russia, Russia, the fake collusion stuff, really damaged his first term and undermined our entire foreign policy with and toward Russia.

00:48:58.620 Trump commented on that yesterday when he was at the Kennedy Center, which he is now calling the Trump-Kennedy Center.

00:49:05.380 Here he is on what Russiagate did to his first term.

00:49:10.380 Satwan.

00:49:10.900 I had to go through the Russia-Russia hoax. 0.57

00:49:14.580 And it was actually it's it was a strain on the relationship.

00:49:18.200 I actually would told him I said, you know, they got this phony investigation going on.

00:49:23.460 Russia, Russia, Russia, totally phony, created by Adam Schiff, Shifty Schiff and Hillary Clinton and the whole group of them.

00:49:31.360 And it made it very dangerous for our country because I was unable to really deal with Russia the way we should have been. 1.00

00:49:37.380 I'm looking at Pam because I hope something's going to be done about it.

00:49:40.540 These people put our country at great danger.

00:49:42.940 It was all made up.

00:49:43.880 It was a hoax.

00:49:44.600 The Mueller report came out.

00:49:45.780 They all hated me.

00:49:46.660 They had 18 Trump haters.

00:49:49.600 And they said, I did nothing wrong.

00:49:51.240 They were they couldn't they couldn't believe they couldn't find anything after years of investigation.

00:49:56.720 It was all a hoax.

00:49:57.600 It was a hoax created by the Democrats, but in particular Schiff and Crooked Hillary, the whole group.

00:50:05.040 And now we've learned all the stuff that's come out over the last two months is incredible through intelligence.

00:50:11.620 And hopefully something's going to happen where that these are people that put our country in danger, in real danger.

00:50:19.400 Good point.

00:50:20.320 Right.

00:50:20.600 It's true.

00:50:21.140 Danger.

00:50:23.040 Yeah, I really did it.

00:50:24.300 I mean, threw off our entire country's foreign policies.

00:50:27.800 He outlined.

00:50:28.360 I mean, and Adam Schiff is legitimately one of the worst people that we are aware of in public life. 0.94

00:50:32.880 He he is just he's, you know, a cretin of a sort that is, you know, you don't normally I don't know. 0.91

00:50:39.180 I don't know anybody like him in my life. 0.95

00:50:41.340 I mean, I know a lot of people.

00:50:42.520 Some people I like.

00:50:43.220 Some people I don't.

00:50:43.840 I don't know anyone who acts like him who would do the types of things that he does.

00:50:47.880 Yeah, it's it's borderline psychotic.

00:50:51.500 And, you know, I look at the stuff and I don't know.

00:50:53.940 I'm not as optimistic maybe as John is that we get to the end of this with the rest.

00:50:58.640 I hope we do.

00:50:59.480 I hope this stuff does get to the end.

00:51:01.200 I know that it is a long process.

00:51:02.860 I'm actually very optimistic that people are going to be arrested now.

00:51:05.700 Convicted.

00:51:06.820 I don't know.

00:51:07.620 Convicted, I guess.

00:51:08.280 Yeah.

00:51:08.960 Yeah.

00:51:09.360 But I do see that there is a there's a bit of a charm when you go after somebody like this.

00:51:12.920 You know, they went after Trump all these times.

00:51:15.240 I was thinking about this the other day.

00:51:16.880 One of the ways they went after him after all these investigations was to go after him

00:51:20.280 in the document scandal.

00:51:21.860 That document scandal led to Biden also being asked questions by Robert Herr, which wound

00:51:27.180 up revealing to America he was an elderly man with a poor memory, as if we didn't know

00:51:32.780 it ourselves.

00:51:33.200 But many needed a little bit more on that front, which leads to him dropping out of the race

00:51:38.580 and the 2024 election going the way it does.

00:51:41.780 I don't know.

00:51:42.240 Maybe there's a way that this all comes together and justice is finally done.

00:51:46.020 I hope it's done through the legal system.

00:51:47.840 But either way, they've certainly paid a price politically and I think reputationally.

00:51:53.560 And they also say the process is the punishment, which was something we lamented when it was

00:51:57.580 being done to Trump because there was nothing to punish him for.

00:52:00.460 There is something to punish them for.

00:52:02.360 And so if the process is as much punishment as we can get, I'll take it.

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00:55:54.640 Back with me now, Stu Bergeer, host of Stu Does America.

00:55:58.920 In a little bit, Stu, we are going to be talking about Jussie Smollett,

00:56:02.440 who is back in the news, more details for you and some sound from him.

00:56:09.020 He is trying to re-litigate whether he perpetuated a hate crime hoax against himself.

00:56:17.640 That case involved him claiming that he went to Subway in the middle of the night

00:56:22.540 and was attacked while holding his Subway sandwich by two white guys wearing MAGA hats

00:56:28.540 who called him racial epithets and then put a noose around his neck.

00:56:32.680 That didn't happen.

00:56:34.360 But there was an attack with a Subway sandwich last night in D.C.

00:56:40.700 And it was a white guy, we're now told, who worked at the Department of Justice until this morning

00:56:48.840 when he was fired by Pam Bondi, per Pam Bondi.

00:56:52.920 She's told us that piece of it. 0.99

00:56:54.560 But we saw this tape go viral on X with this guy behaving like a complete ass 0.98

00:57:01.100 in the face of the federal law enforcement officers who are standing there minding their own business, 0.98

00:57:05.460 just keeping an eye on things to make sure things are safe.

00:57:08.020 For the listening audience, we're going to play it.

00:57:09.880 You see the man jumping up, like just jumping, like he's on a pogo stick in front of these cops.

00:57:13.780 And then out of nowhere, he takes his Subway sandwich and whips it at one of the officers.

00:57:19.480 The man is wearing a pink polo shirt and tight little gray shorts.

00:57:25.080 He whips it at the officer and then takes off.

00:57:27.060 And now the officers chase him.

00:57:28.840 And they did get him.

00:57:31.400 And then we heard from Janine Pirro, who is, look at the slow-mo now.

00:57:36.900 We've slow-moed the, he really whips it at him.

00:57:39.720 It hits him in like the collarbone on the left side.

00:57:42.140 And immediately they give chase.

00:57:44.440 So then we hear from Janine Pirro, who's honestly, there's a new sheriff in town down there.

00:57:50.380 Do not F with Judge Janine.

00:57:52.720 Here's Janine weighing in on this. 0.95

00:57:55.800 And the president's message to the criminals was, if you spit, we hit.

00:58:01.900 Well, we didn't quite do that the other night when an individual went up to one of the federal law

00:58:07.520 enforcement officers and started jumping up and down, screaming at him, berating him, yelling at him.

00:58:14.760 And then he took a Subway sandwich about this big and took it and threw it at the officer.

00:58:20.860 He thought it was funny.

00:58:22.560 Well, he doesn't think it's funny today because we charged him with a felony.

00:58:25.820 Assault on a police officer.

00:58:27.600 And we're going to back the police to the hilt.

00:58:30.680 So there, stick your Subway sandwich somewhere else.

00:58:37.520 By the way, not for nothing, but here's sound from the Subway sandwich attack incident.

00:58:43.080 You can hear the man calling the cops a fascist.

00:58:46.700 He's calling them fascists.

00:58:48.280 Listen.

00:58:49.680 Fascists in our city.

00:58:51.160 They're what? 0.96

00:58:52.000 You see these fascists right here in our city? 0.85

00:58:54.720 Fascists? 1.00

00:58:55.720 Fuck you. 1.00

00:58:57.540 Fuck you, fascists. 1.00

00:59:01.260 Fuck you, why? 1.00

00:59:04.140 You bitch! 1.00

00:59:05.380 I believe you. 1.00

00:59:07.520 I love the guy videotaping.

00:59:20.700 All right.

00:59:25.360 I'm just going to go ahead and say it.

00:59:26.600 The guy whipping the Subway sandwich appears to me like he is on something.

00:59:30.800 I like he's too animated.

00:59:32.980 He's got too much energy.

00:59:34.440 He's doing the whole knee bend, Stu.

00:59:36.240 I mean, when you do the knee bend when you are genuinely mad, like you're bending the 0.98

00:59:41.880 knees like you're fascist, you fascist, the knee bend, you mean business. 0.91

00:59:48.060 And now, unfortunately for him, so does Judge Jeanine. 0.99

00:59:51.780 Yeah.

00:59:52.180 I have to say, look, of course what he did is awful and wrong.

00:59:59.420 I mean, the whole video is hilarious to watch, though.

01:00:02.440 I have to admit, it's just an amazing video.

01:00:05.620 So, no one was hurt.

01:00:07.580 And this, you know, luckily, this guy in his career is hurt and his reputation is hurt as

01:00:13.960 well.

01:00:14.320 And he may be going to prison for a while.

01:00:16.820 And that's all really, really positive.

01:00:18.620 Because when you act that way, that's exactly what should happen to you.

01:00:21.680 That's a terrible way to act. 1.00

01:00:23.680 And a ridiculous, ridiculous thing. 0.99

01:00:25.300 The way he ran away, too, was very, he was really pacing himself as if he was going to 0.97

01:00:30.160 run for like four or five miles there.

01:00:32.180 I don't understand the approach.

01:00:34.300 I don't understand the approach of these people, though.

01:00:36.480 You know, these are law enforcement officials.

01:00:38.860 And, you know, they're doing their job.

01:00:40.860 Whether you like the job or not, they're doing it.

01:00:42.600 They're doing it to the best of their ability.

01:00:44.020 And they're trying to protect you in a city that is a horror show, frankly, and has been

01:00:49.720 for a really long time.

01:00:51.220 You know, they tried this whole thing of saying, oh, well, it's down by crime is down by 35%.

01:00:55.760 There's all sorts of problems with those numbers.

01:00:58.100 I'm sure you covered all that.

01:00:59.240 But like, down to what?

01:01:01.980 You know, I think what Trump has tried to say here is that what you're trying to tell

01:01:06.260 me is acceptable is not acceptable.

01:01:09.080 This is an emergency situation.

01:01:10.960 It's just been a long brewing one.

01:01:12.900 And despite the fact that it might be slightly better than 2023, the peak of the last 30

01:01:18.320 years, does not make me feel any better about it.

01:01:21.240 And having someone like Jeanine Pirro in charge is going to make a big difference.

01:01:25.020 You know, when she was talking about in this role.

01:01:28.020 Yeah, yeah.

01:01:28.900 When she was talking about in this role, the media kept saying, like, the same thing they

01:01:32.560 did, you know, with Pete Hegseth and Dan Bongino and so many others.

01:01:35.740 Oh, well, Fox News personality gets this job.

01:01:38.260 How could they give this job to Fox News personality?

01:01:40.480 Jeanine Pirro is not just a Fox News personality.

01:01:44.060 She became a Fox News personality because of her background in law enforcement.

01:01:49.500 My uncle was a homicide detective who in Westchester County worked under Jeanine Pirro long before

01:01:54.900 I had any idea who she was. 0.94

01:01:57.000 He would praise her like nobody's business because of how what a great job she did, how

01:02:03.380 tough she was on the job, how she didn't put up with nonsense.

01:02:05.860 She cared about protecting the people of her community.

01:02:10.580 And that is a is something that I feel like we have lost in Washington, D.C.

01:02:16.320 You know, I think we all realize that if you put enough police officers in these areas,

01:02:20.600 you know, something like 14 percent of the murders happens in a 10 block radius in Washington,

01:02:25.760 D.C.

01:02:26.680 You put a bunch of officers in that area, you're going to be able to stop a lot of that crime.

01:02:31.000 What our government has been saying for a very long time about D.C. is we don't care

01:02:35.420 enough.

01:02:36.180 We don't care enough to do anything about it.

01:02:38.060 And Donald Trump is stepping in and doing something.

01:02:40.320 Jeanine Pirro is doing something.

01:02:41.820 And whether that's just, you know, whether it's taking care of something really serious

01:02:45.160 like like, you know, a murder or an attempted murder with a Subway sandwich with a with

01:02:50.780 a, you know, with a tuna delight, there has to be a line there.

01:02:55.720 And I suppose a foot long is where that line is being drawn.

01:03:00.520 She she's one of the first people I interviewed as an anchor.

01:03:04.040 I was substitute anchor at Fox News.

01:03:06.760 They hired me in 2004 and I didn't get to substitute anchor, I think, for another couple

01:03:10.980 of years.

01:03:11.480 And I went up to New York and she was running for New York State Attorney General.

01:03:15.700 And she came on and I interviewed her.

01:03:18.180 She's just a badass. 1.00

01:03:19.400 I mean, like back then we talked about all the stuff she had done as Westchester County

01:03:23.120 D.A.

01:03:23.820 It's just ridiculous that they want to diminish her.

01:03:25.860 I mean, there's nothing wrong with being a Fox News host.

01:03:27.420 Obviously, that's what I believe.

01:03:29.560 But it's it's she's so much more than that.

01:03:32.520 I mean, truly, like I was a Fox News host anchor for many, many years, 14 plus years.

01:03:37.900 And you know what?

01:03:38.720 I had a career as a lawyer for almost 10 years prior to that.

01:03:41.660 So many of us bring different things into our backgrounds from our backgrounds into our

01:03:46.740 hosting or anchoring abilities.

01:03:49.300 Hegseth, Bongino, Pirro and yours truly among them.

01:03:53.660 Um, here's what Pam Bondi wrote. 0.97

01:03:56.660 If you touch any law enforcement officer, we will come after you.

01:04:00.340 I just learned that this defendant worked at the DOJ no longer.

01:04:04.560 Not only is he fired, he's been charged with a felony.

01:04:07.360 This is an example of the deep state we have been up against for seven months as we work

01:04:11.260 to refocus DOJ.

01:04:13.040 You will not work in this administration while disrespecting our government and law enforcement.

01:04:17.220 I think she's really onto something there.

01:04:18.900 This is an example of the deep state we've been up against for seven months as we work

01:04:22.780 to refocus DOJ.

01:04:24.300 I know this is happening at FBI, at the Pentagon and elsewhere in the government.

01:04:30.260 They really are working against some of the leaders.

01:04:34.420 I think it's happening at FDA.

01:04:36.240 Like the the Trump administration is real and he's assigned really nominated and had confirmed

01:04:43.780 really important department heads.

01:04:45.160 But that doesn't mean that they can, with a magic wand, change these organizations, which

01:04:50.960 in large part, and by the way, DNI, which in large part, not only don't support them, but

01:04:58.500 actively oppose them and are working against them.

01:05:01.440 How do you think that guy was handling any directive whatsoever issued by Pam Bondi or Todd Blanche,

01:05:07.860 that DOJ employee?

01:05:09.520 Yeah, and we absolutely with certainty know that a lot of people inside of these organizations are

01:05:16.440 working against Donald Trump, at least in the first term, mainly because they bragged about

01:05:20.480 it to author after author after author in their tell-all books afterwards.

01:05:23.960 They wanted credit for it.

01:05:25.020 They wanted to be greeted as heroes and liberators from Donald Trump.

01:05:29.460 And, you know, this, I think really, it's a bizarre incident.

01:05:32.760 And you're watching a guy throw a sandwich at another human being and then try to run away

01:05:36.300 at medium pace.

01:05:38.620 It's a fascinating thing.

01:05:40.180 But what it really highlights when you think about it is how deep this issue is.

01:05:45.420 It's not like they didn't come into office thinking about getting rid of people like

01:05:49.800 this guy, right?

01:05:50.980 The Trump administration ran on saying, what we're going to do is drain the swamp.

01:05:55.440 That was the first term.

01:05:56.760 And I think he's a lot more serious about it here in the second term.

01:05:59.940 He really wanted to make sure they got rid of those people.

01:06:02.500 He put people in charge who were, you know, attack dogs to make sure that they could go

01:06:07.780 after the people who were doing this type of thing.

01:06:10.720 And now we've gone through a whole period of doge.

01:06:13.300 We've gone through a whole period of widespread firing.

01:06:16.820 Yeah.

01:06:17.280 They got rid of a lot of these people.

01:06:19.360 And yet a guy who is so psychotic that he will bend his knees as he's screaming as hard

01:06:26.560 as he can into the face of an officer and then, you know, throw a sandwich at his chest.

01:06:31.220 That guy was still employed as of yesterday.

01:06:35.100 Like he was still there.

01:06:36.720 Have you ever thrown a sandwich in anger, Stu Breguier?

01:06:39.680 Ever?

01:06:40.040 I never.

01:06:41.280 Only into my mouth, Megan.

01:06:42.840 And that usually is more hunger than anything else.

01:06:45.900 Or like it's just depression or anxiety.

01:06:49.200 You know, sometimes when my kids are playing tennis, like in a match, I stress eat.

01:06:52.720 You know, I've got to have like a bag of potato chips.

01:06:54.960 I don't know.

01:06:55.520 I've stress eaten with a sandwich before.

01:06:57.500 I don't think I've ever stress felonized anyone.

01:07:01.240 No, no.

01:07:02.400 First of all, don't attack people with sandwiches.

01:07:04.300 Secondly, they're sandwiches.

01:07:05.460 They're delicious.

01:07:06.380 You don't want to get rid of them.

01:07:07.660 You shouldn't waste them.

01:07:08.500 Such a waste.

01:07:09.560 Don't.

01:07:10.140 I mean, they have poor sandwiches now sitting on the ground.

01:07:12.120 Luckily, it's DC.

01:07:13.520 About 400 rats ate it about 10 seconds after that video ended.

01:07:17.540 So at least someone was there.

01:07:18.520 Maybe is it just me?

01:07:19.520 I love the color commentary. 1.00

01:07:21.240 I kind of love the guy who's like, motherfucker! 1.00

01:07:24.200 Yeah. 1.00

01:07:27.160 It is amazing.

01:07:28.960 I kind of want him to, I don't know, is there an opening at the NFL to just kind of call

01:07:33.140 games on the sidelines?

01:07:34.340 I kind of want to get his commentary on everything I want.

01:07:36.260 I want him to walk us through.

01:07:38.160 Exactly.

01:07:38.540 Play by play.

01:07:39.240 Like, how did you know something was going down?

01:07:42.200 What was your reaction inside when you saw the subway get thrown?

01:07:46.180 Anyway, it was all great.

01:07:47.260 It's a great story.

01:07:48.340 This just in on the guy.

01:07:50.200 His name, let's see.

01:07:52.520 I can't see his name, but his last name is Dunn, D-U-N-N.

01:07:55.720 Sean.

01:07:56.120 Sean Dunn.

01:07:56.680 He is.

01:07:57.140 He is Dunn.

01:07:58.900 Yeah, he is Dunn.

01:08:00.300 He was an international affairs specialist with the Office of International Affairs within

01:08:05.600 the DOJ's criminal division.

01:08:07.800 According to a Justice Department official, the office handles international extraditions,

01:08:12.120 prisoner swaps, and other overseas operations.

01:08:15.800 Well, he should be happy then because President Trump has been doing a really great job getting

01:08:20.580 not necessarily our prisoners back, but people being held hostage back.

01:08:25.480 And if he's into prisoner swaps, he should be applauding him. 0.98

01:08:27.960 Why is he so angry?

01:08:28.840 I don't know.

01:08:29.840 We'll surely find out why he thinks they're all fascists.

01:08:32.660 Okay, let's move on.

01:08:34.200 Hunter Biden may be soon in a litigation with Melania Trump.

01:08:38.740 How's that for a headline?

01:08:40.460 Hunter Biden gave this interview to this Channel 5 YouTuber, and in it, he claimed as follows

01:08:48.000 on August 5th, Sot 8.

01:08:51.480 Epstein introduced Melania to Trump.

01:08:54.940 The connections are like so wide and deep.

01:08:58.680 They knew each other well.

01:09:00.220 They spent an enormous time together.

01:09:01.960 According to his biographer, it is that Jeffrey Epstein introduced Melania.

01:09:06.180 That's how Melania and the First Lady and the President met. 0.98

01:09:09.160 Really?

01:09:09.740 Epstein made the intro.

01:09:11.180 Yeah, according to Michael Wolff.

01:09:12.920 And so I only can go by what people are saying, and I don't know.

01:09:17.020 Okay, so he cites Epstein's biographer, who is Michael Wolff, for his information.

01:09:24.840 And sure enough, Michael Wolff, the month before, it was July, went on the Daily Beast podcast

01:09:30.760 and said the following, Sot 9.

01:09:32.460 You know, she was very involved in the Epstein, in this Epstein relationship.

01:09:39.500 I mean, there is this model thing.

01:09:41.220 But, you know, and Epstein talks about, you know, and she's introduced by a model agent,

01:09:48.680 both of whom Trump and Epstein are involved with.

01:09:53.740 She's introduced to Trump that way.

01:09:57.820 Epstein knows her well.

01:09:59.420 The first time, Epstein says, the first time Donald Trump and Melania have sex is on his airplane. 0.97

01:10:08.680 So Melania Trump, through her lawyer, wrote Hunter Biden a nasty gram, a legal nasty gram 0.83

01:10:15.900 that says, I'm going to sue you for a billion dollars unless you apologize for that.

01:10:21.640 And it's retracted and removed and that the error is acknowledged in as public a way as

01:10:29.660 the offense was committed to begin with, saying your source for your false statements was serial

01:10:36.120 fabulist Michael Wolff, whose lies were published by the Daily Beast in an article titled Melania

01:10:41.200 Trump, very involved in an Epstein scandal.

01:10:43.540 The Daily Beast, unfortunately for Hunter Biden, issued an apology to Melania Trump and retracted

01:10:50.260 the false and defamatory statements immediately thereafter, that because clearly Melania's

01:10:56.740 people had contacted them, too.

01:10:58.460 And so they did pull it, said they were sorry and issued a retraction because they'd heard

01:11:03.280 from Melania directly.

01:11:04.160 It's not true.

01:11:04.800 And this is made up like a lot of things are by Michael Wolff.

01:11:09.460 So now Hunter Biden's twisting in the wind because he's repeated the defamatory statement

01:11:14.400 in a very public way on this YouTube show.

01:11:18.320 And the ball's in his court.

01:11:22.240 Well, he has responded, went back to the same place.

01:11:26.420 And this interview was posted today.

01:11:29.300 It was posted today.

01:11:30.800 And here's what he said in Sot 7. 1.00

01:11:33.800 Fuck that. 1.00

01:11:34.900 That's not going to happen. 1.00

01:11:36.520 I think they're trying to use other things to distract.

01:11:39.940 And I also think they're bullies.

01:11:41.200 And they think that a billion dollars is going to scare me.

01:11:45.880 Look at him.

01:11:46.520 He's got all the confidence of a man who's been repeatedly protected by law enforcement

01:11:51.000 his entire life. 1.00

01:11:51.860 He's like, fuck that. 1.00

01:11:53.060 No one can ever get me. 1.00

01:11:54.260 I'm Hunter Biden.

01:11:55.380 I get pardoned. 0.95

01:11:56.820 I get DOJs running interference for me when the IRS has got me by the balls. 0.98

01:12:01.480 I'm good. 0.99

01:12:02.400 She can F off.

01:12:03.580 So should she actually go ahead and file her lawsuit?

01:12:07.760 I know I'm not asking you as a you're not a lawyer, but do you think it would be smart

01:12:11.840 for her to get involved in what will essentially be a political battle as well as a legal one? 0.98

01:12:15.680 Uh, yes, I guess I will go to, uh, uh, to your punishment is the, uh, is the process

01:12:25.780 argument from before process of the punishment.

01:12:28.860 Um, uh, I do think that it is worth it.

01:12:30.860 I mean, look, you know, nobody wants their name in a headline with Jeffrey Epstein.

01:12:35.220 It's not a good thing.

01:12:36.060 So, I mean, it's a legitimately serious thing when you're, you're taking somebody's, you're

01:12:40.700 making an argument that I don't even think Michael Wolff actually made, by the way.

01:12:44.020 I mean, Wolff did say, again, Wolff has his own, uh, battles with, uh, with the truth,

01:12:49.660 uh, as it has been well covered.

01:12:52.040 Uh, but like even his claim was that they first had sex on the plane.

01:12:56.140 It wasn't even that they were introduced, uh, by Epstein.

01:12:59.160 He even said in the podcast, he just said that, you know, they were all in a kind of a,

01:13:03.540 um, an area where they were, you know, they were all running in those circles with models

01:13:07.300 and he was introduced to Melania through a modeling agency.

01:13:10.380 So it's not even clear that he, that Hunter Biden's claim was accurate, even to what Michael

01:13:14.460 Wolff said, uh, beyond that it was broadcast on the Daily Beast.

01:13:19.820 The fact that they retracted and apologized for something is maybe the biggest part of the

01:13:24.720 story.

01:13:25.120 Those people have absolutely no standards at all.

01:13:27.540 I don't know that they've ever cared about a journalistic standard in their entire life.

01:13:31.600 They must be scared of that lawsuit.

01:13:33.600 I'll tell you that.

01:13:34.360 No kidding.

01:13:35.440 Uh, it's a fascinating thing to watch and to watch Hunter Biden come out.

01:13:39.180 You're right.

01:13:39.520 He's an entitled person.

01:13:40.580 He believes he's going to be, I mean, look, he was actually pardoned by the president of

01:13:43.960 the United States.

01:13:44.480 He has some reason to believe he's going to survive every single thing that comes his

01:13:47.700 way, but he's not no longer future crimes.

01:13:51.120 Exactly.

01:13:51.720 Not pardoned for future crimes and not pardoned for civil lawsuits.

01:13:54.760 There's all sorts of ways that this could wind up burning him.

01:13:57.300 And I think what's central to, uh, the Hunter Biden thing, look, Hunter Biden gone through

01:14:01.340 some tough years.

01:14:02.220 Okay.

01:14:02.640 We all kind of are aware of this, but the past 10 to 15 years have not been exactly a fun

01:14:07.660 time to be Hunter Biden, though he's had many, many parties in that time.

01:14:11.160 They're not always resulting in fun.

01:14:13.440 Uh, the one thing he has been praised for over the past 10 years has been this interview,

01:14:20.280 uh, with, uh, this guy from channel five, Andrew Callahan.

01:14:24.500 And he was praised by the left, the people that he wants to be praised by.

01:14:29.240 He's, he's could be the new Joe Rogan, Megan.

01:14:31.580 He look at how he's just such a plain talker.

01:14:34.160 He'll say anything.

01:14:35.380 I really do think this type of that reaction has incentivized him to go even farther.

01:14:40.420 And you think, and you think about the way that, you know, the, the internet works and

01:14:44.000 clicks work and money works and donations work and attention works.

01:14:48.700 All those incentives point one direction.

01:14:50.700 Keep saying it, go farther. 0.99

01:14:52.460 You know, it's the Jasmine Crockett theory, the dumber and louder you are, the more attention 1.00

01:14:57.480 that you get. 0.99

01:14:58.460 And I think Hunter's falling into this.

01:15:00.640 And, and when Donald Trump's on the other side of that and, you know, his wife who he's

01:15:05.240 going to defend, uh, and a billion dollar lawsuit, I think this is a terrible mistake

01:15:11.400 from a guy who's made many of them.

01:15:13.860 And it's knowable how they met.

01:15:16.100 I mean, Melania Trump wrote a memoir, uh, in her self-titled book back in 2024.

01:15:20.720 And she wrote as follows, uh, that she met Trump at a September, 1998 fashion week party

01:15:26.120 at the Kit Kat club in New York city.

01:15:28.080 Quote, I saw my friend wave at someone behind me.

01:15:30.540 When I turned around, I noticed a man and an attractive blonde woman approaching us.

01:15:35.380 Hi, I'm Donald Trump.

01:15:36.640 The man said, when he reached my table from the moment, our conversation began, I was

01:15:40.460 captivated by his charm and easygoing nature.

01:15:42.540 She wrote, noting that their back and forth was a quote, refreshing departure from the

01:15:47.620 usual superficial small talk and made her feel like quote, the center of his world.

01:15:52.400 I found myself drawn to his magnetic energy.

01:15:55.160 And then he called me a 10.

01:15:57.840 No, I made up that last line.

01:16:01.140 That didn't happen.

01:16:02.380 I would have totally believed that.

01:16:03.800 I will say, I would have believed it, but that's the story.

01:16:07.360 It's not Epstein introduced them.

01:16:09.280 It's not Epstein, whatever.

01:16:10.680 So, um, we'll see balls in her court now. 1.00

01:16:13.180 And it's very, very hard for a public figure to recover for defamation, which is not a crime.

01:16:18.020 It's a civil, uh, tour that you would sue for, but we'll see because public figures,

01:16:22.600 if they sue for defamation have to be subjected to a deposition themselves.

01:16:26.440 She will be cross-examined by Hunter Biden's lawyers, but she may be prepared to do all of

01:16:31.380 that because just to make a point that you can't lie about her with impunity.

01:16:35.300 And you certainly can't bring Jeffrey Epstein anywhere close to somebody like that and not

01:16:41.020 expect them to rattle your cage a bit.

01:16:42.960 So we shall see.

01:16:45.500 I'm interested to see how it goes.

01:16:47.720 Now, Hunter Biden, in his first interview with this guy, um, on channel five, he sold

01:16:54.540 the use of crack so ardently and in such a heartfelt way that, um, it actually helped

01:17:03.360 me understand how he got his dead brother's widow hooked on crack.

01:17:08.060 This man is a true believer in crack.

01:17:10.280 He loves crack.

01:17:11.140 He loves it.

01:17:11.980 Like a person loves their children.

01:17:13.560 He's a huge believer in crack, almost as big a believer as Donald Trump is in grass,

01:17:20.080 not that kind of grass, actual green grass, like you might find on a golf course.

01:17:25.280 And here's why I say that.

01:17:29.100 We're going to be redoing the parks, redoing the grass, you know, grass is a lifetime.

01:17:32.940 Like people have a lifetime and the lifetime of this grass has long been gone.

01:17:39.020 When you look at the parks where the grass is, uh, uh, all tired, exhausted, we're going

01:17:45.880 to redo the grass with the finest grasses.

01:17:48.960 I know a lot about grass because I own a lot of golf courses.

01:17:52.240 And if you don't have good grass, you're not in business very long.

01:17:57.100 Talk about attention to detail.

01:18:02.360 Stu Berger, he's, he's worried about the grass in the nation's capital in the parks

01:18:08.880 because it doesn't look good.

01:18:10.760 And our national capital doesn't look good.

01:18:13.100 And it's all part of his re beautification project, getting rid of the homeless, doing

01:18:19.240 something about the sanitation issues, cleaning up the crime and right down to the blades of

01:18:24.380 grass looking past their time.

01:18:26.920 And Donald Trump, the sitting president of the United States doing something about it.

01:18:30.100 I applaud it all.

01:18:32.380 Yeah.

01:18:32.900 You know, I mean, it's funny because people will mock him on this.

01:18:35.560 They're they go after him for all sorts of these types of efforts.

01:18:38.400 This ties directly into what he's doing in DC, right?

01:18:40.860 This is not just because, you know, there were some violent attacks.

01:18:44.120 He looks at DC as an embarrassment.

01:18:46.840 You know, he's the leader of the free world here.

01:18:48.640 He's got world leaders coming in from all over the place and they're coming to this, to

01:18:52.180 this town and none of them are allowed to walk around in, in the middle of, of the night.

01:18:57.580 And I mean, honestly, past dusk, it gets a little risky in a lot of areas.

01:19:02.200 This is part of his, you know, beautification, I think is part of it, but like it is.

01:19:06.520 And that's the way he talks about it.

01:19:07.580 Of course, he's talking about, you know, things being beautiful, the most beautiful things

01:19:10.460 you've ever seen.

01:19:11.360 But it also ties into what he's doing with this ball, the best grass.

01:19:14.340 We've got the best grass.

01:19:15.860 It goes into what he's doing with the ballroom inside the White House as well.

01:19:20.480 This is something he is looking at this, not from his own perspective.

01:19:24.960 Yes.

01:19:25.260 Donald Trump loves gold things.

01:19:26.820 Yes, Donald Trump, I'm sure loves, you know, nice green grass at his golf resorts.

01:19:30.760 But he's thinking about this is when he's got foreign dignitaries coming in and he needs

01:19:37.540 to be able to present something from the United States that is, is a position of power.

01:19:43.520 It is a position of negotiation.

01:19:45.820 He knows those things matter, not to him, but to the people he's talking to.

01:19:50.160 He knows those things matter.

01:19:51.800 When, when foreign, you know, presidents come in and foreign leaders come in and they see

01:19:56.060 D.C. as, as a, you know, the cesspool in certain areas that it is, it's not only embarrassing,

01:20:02.900 but it's also something that makes us look weak.

01:20:05.500 And Donald Trump, I think, correctly identifies the fact that you have to be able to present

01:20:10.460 American power in these arrangements.

01:20:12.880 You have to, you know, having the gold, you know, palaces is, yes, it's, you know, for

01:20:19.980 a foreign, you know, king or something is, is something that certainly coddles their life 0.97

01:20:24.360 very nicely.

01:20:24.960 But it's more than that.

01:20:26.340 It sends a signal of power.

01:20:29.000 And it is something that you need.

01:20:31.460 It's not, you know, I, I, I, as an American, I love the charm that we are led by citizens.

01:20:37.980 I love the charm of, of us being, you know, having a president that has real limited limits

01:20:44.500 in his power.

01:20:45.080 I mean, I remember Trump talking about this earlier in his first term, when people would

01:20:48.620 be like, well, why don't you just do that?

01:20:50.500 And our constitution says he can't, right?

01:20:52.500 That, that, that we have those limitations.

01:20:54.180 And as American, I really, really respect them and love that we have always had those

01:20:58.840 traditions.

01:20:59.880 But when you're talking to a foreign leader, you have to be able to communicate in their

01:21:02.800 language.

01:21:03.280 He did that with Kim Jong-un.

01:21:04.760 He's done that all over the world.

01:21:06.780 That's an important thing that he takes seriously.

01:21:08.920 And part of that is making DC seem like a place that anyone on earth would want to visit

01:21:13.680 outside of the mall during the day.

01:21:16.280 That's so true.

01:21:17.200 I think back to when I was at Jones Day, a big law firm practicing law, and I was in their

01:21:21.960 Chicago office and for a time in their DC office.

01:21:24.940 And, um, you'd walk into that office, both of them, both of the, and I was in the New

01:21:29.000 York office too.

01:21:29.580 I was all over with for them, but you walk into their offices and like, it's like marble

01:21:34.820 and glass and like the, the, the big thing, like on the floor showing where all their offices

01:21:40.060 are across the world, you know, London and Riyadh and wherever.

01:21:44.700 And it's just a whole, and there's Warhols hanging on the, the, the office walls and the

01:21:49.560 lobby and it's all part of a presentation to welcome clients.

01:21:53.260 Like this is the level of service you're going to get here.

01:21:56.560 Nothing will be phoned in.

01:21:57.820 It will be first class beginning to end.

01:22:01.080 And, and Trump's trying to do that to the nation's Capitol as the seat of power, as where

01:22:05.920 all these other foreign officials come and meet with him.

01:22:09.060 He wants it.

01:22:09.600 I mean, he wants it to be like a Trump golf course.

01:22:12.960 He wants it to look, be like Mar-a-Lago where it's extravagant and luxurious and at

01:22:18.300 a minimum, absolutely beautiful and pristine and clean.

01:22:21.740 So I applaud it.

01:22:23.340 I think it makes perfect sense.

01:22:25.580 He's still taking a lot of flack for it.

01:22:27.500 My only question is, and my husband and I were talking about this this morning, who's

01:22:30.560 next?

01:22:31.120 Let's do New York next.

01:22:32.660 We certainly aren't going to get it cleaned up under mom, Donnie. 0.99

01:22:35.480 Let's do Chicago, which used to be so clean and now is disgusting.

01:22:39.640 Let's do Oakland.

01:22:40.960 Let's do Baltimore. 0.84

01:22:42.380 Let's do any, but you know, you're not allowed to do it to any other city that has a black 1.00

01:22:45.660 mayor because the left has said, oh, these are all towns run by black mayors. 0.97

01:22:49.940 And that's racist to try to stop them from getting killed. 0.99

01:22:55.100 Towns that have a heavy black population or a black mayor, they should suffer the crime. 1.00

01:23:00.120 That's what's not racist. 1.00

01:23:01.700 Let them get killed. 1.00

01:23:02.820 Let them get robbed. 1.00

01:23:03.720 If you say anything about their mayor, allowing them to be killed and robbed, it's racist. 1.00

01:23:09.900 So the Chicago mayor, Brandon Johnson, who's an absolute incompetent fool, weighs in on 0.99

01:23:17.840 Tuesday on whether Trump's cleanup squad is coming soon to him. 0.98

01:23:22.920 And here's what he said.

01:23:24.780 What do you say to Donald Trump?

01:23:26.340 How did you feel when Donald Trump called you a accountant?

01:23:29.060 What did you feel?

01:23:29.760 He just addressed this.

01:23:31.200 Thanks.

01:23:31.480 Please answer that question.

01:23:32.980 Okay, fine.

01:23:34.180 Since you are begging, I do believe that Donald Trump is intimidated.

01:23:38.600 I know.

01:23:38.940 I think you're begging.

01:23:39.520 No interruption.

01:23:40.200 So let me just answer that.

01:23:41.260 I do appreciate you begging.

01:23:42.840 So I would just say it like this, that the president has always been intimidated by the

01:23:48.720 intellectual prowess of black men. 0.82

01:23:51.780 And so, of course, he would speak in those petite and puerile terms because he's small. 0.99

01:24:02.980 Got it. 0.98

01:24:03.720 He is intimidated by the intellectual prowess of black men. 1.00

01:24:10.100 That's why he wants to stop crime in cities like D.C. and Chicago and why he called Brandon

01:24:17.680 Johnson incompetent, Stu. 0.97

01:24:19.500 I mean, it's just so absolutely ridiculous. 1.00

01:24:24.460 And we know it's ridiculous. 0.96

01:24:26.480 It's been like if you go back to pre-apprentice, right?

01:24:32.240 You go back to the days when Donald Trump was just a really famous real estate developer

01:24:37.040 in New York.

01:24:38.840 Go back to those days and see what his comments were about New York City back then.

01:24:43.000 He was worried about these things way back then and has been consistently worried about

01:24:49.200 crime in cities his entire public life.

01:24:51.920 This is not a person who came in like Mom Donnie, who nobody had heard of, you know,

01:24:56.080 six months ago.

01:24:57.300 This is someone who has been one of the most famous people in the United States for half

01:25:00.900 a century.

01:25:01.720 We get really, really aware of what the guy has said on record.

01:25:04.940 And he has been focused on crime in the city for a really long time.

01:25:09.560 And the fact that it's treated as racism to try to implement some sort of order in a majority

01:25:17.460 African-American city is one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard in my life. 1.00

01:25:22.540 I mean, one of the things we all have to admit about what's happened over the past week or

01:25:26.680 so here with the D.C. situation is that Donald Trump seems to be the first person in a long

01:25:31.700 time who's really cared about any of these people in the city.

01:25:35.800 Like, we've had a lot of people who have, there have been a lot of mayors, a lot of,

01:25:40.220 I mean, a lot of, I mean, I don't know, maybe Marion Barry was the person who initially introduced

01:25:45.540 Hunter Biden to crack, I'm not sure, but people who really, really enjoyed substances.

01:25:50.360 He cared about crime, doing it, committing it.

01:25:51.260 He cared about crime, committing it often in hotel rooms.

01:25:55.080 But like, you know, that stat that I was talking about before really hit me this week

01:25:59.520 as it was going through all this D.C. stuff.

01:26:01.700 A 10-block area is responsible for 14% of the murders in that city.

01:26:08.760 It's impossible to understand how this has not been addressed before, right?

01:26:13.680 What happens is the cops just stop going there.

01:26:16.340 That's what happened in Chicago.

01:26:17.780 The cops do not go in the south side of Chicago.

01:26:20.540 They let the gang members kill each other.

01:26:23.240 And if you're not a gang member, you're exposed, right?

01:26:26.200 You have no posse to have your back.

01:26:27.920 And kids get killed, drive-by shootings on their porches, in their homes, at the community

01:26:33.360 center, those who help them get shot.

01:26:35.700 It's like most cops in these terrible, terrible areas have washed their hands of it.

01:26:40.500 And Trump is actually looking at it saying, no, I'm actually going to send somebody in

01:26:44.200 there.

01:26:44.320 And by the way, what we're hearing from black business owners in D.C. and elsewhere is,

01:26:49.320 right on, do this.

01:26:50.520 Here's one black business owner who reacted to this narrative from the media.

01:26:55.740 Crime is down.

01:26:56.500 Crime is down.

01:26:57.340 D.C. is, you know, some sort of Eden.

01:26:59.640 Saffor.

01:27:01.600 And the city keeps saying crime is down.

01:27:03.320 But do you feel safe?

01:27:04.380 No, I don't think so.

01:27:05.460 Crime is down.

01:27:06.240 Crime is off.

01:27:07.400 In D.C.?

01:27:08.320 I don't know a lie.

01:27:11.400 Total lie. 0.95

01:27:12.240 So you have an Indian person and a black person saying total lie. 0.99

01:27:16.860 Everybody knows it.

01:27:18.240 This is what's so, one of the really fascinating things about this back and forth is the media

01:27:23.760 and the left have a certain, I believe they think it's a constitutional duty to just say

01:27:29.540 the opposite of whatever Donald Trump is saying.

01:27:31.580 So they are reactionary in that way.

01:27:34.240 And in this particular situation, what Donald Trump is saying is that crime is bad in D.C.

01:27:39.260 So they're forced to come up with some justification to say, no, it's not.

01:27:43.060 Actually, this is Disneyland.

01:27:45.340 And that is, Donald Trump is really good at this.

01:27:49.060 He's really good at putting people in positions that they should not be defending.

01:27:54.100 Right?

01:27:54.340 Yes.

01:27:54.800 There's no, any person with eyes or nostrils for that example, because a lot of the city

01:27:59.920 smells too.

01:28:00.980 Anybody who goes into Washington, D.C. knows that with the exception of very public areas

01:28:07.900 where a bunch of our representatives live and the mall and certain monuments, it is a

01:28:14.800 really tough city.

01:28:15.840 A lot of bad things happen.

01:28:17.640 Everybody with eyes knows it.

01:28:19.880 And he's put them in a position to say, you know, the exact opposite of what everyone

01:28:23.820 sees and knows. 1.00

01:28:25.540 And they are just dumb enough to do it. 1.00

01:28:27.960 Right? 1.00

01:28:28.120 They're just dumb enough to come out there and say, actually, everything's great here. 1.00

01:28:31.540 And he's the one that's lying. 0.99

01:28:33.780 So now here is the related controversy.

01:28:37.740 We announced this when he did it back in, it was at the end of March, I think, where Trump

01:28:43.420 issued an executive order saying, we are going to take a hard look at the Smithsonian, which

01:28:50.380 is several different museums and several different buildings and the museums in Washington, D.C.

01:28:56.260 And we are going to cleanse them of their obsession with hatred for America.

01:29:04.520 That doesn't mean we're getting rid of anything that speaks to some of the stains on our history,

01:29:10.240 like the museums that were the pieces of the museums that talk about slavery or the civil

01:29:15.600 rights movement and the conditions that led to it.

01:29:18.240 But that doesn't mean that at all.

01:29:20.200 It's if you go into these museums, there is a general infection by DEI.

01:29:25.320 And I can speak to this personally because I went with my family in April of 2023 and came

01:29:30.480 back on the air and talked about it as soon as it happened.

01:29:32.660 Like, what's going on?

01:29:33.860 This was right around the time where they added the trigger warning.

01:29:36.720 If you wanted to look at the National Archive documents like our Declaration and our Constitution,

01:29:42.560 you had to get a trigger warning because, you know, they're obviously in the Constitution.

01:29:47.720 We didn't treat blacks as full citizens when we first were born.

01:29:51.700 And that was rectified later.

01:29:53.080 Anyway, so during that madness that the country was suffering, it infected our museums and Trump

01:30:01.560 issued this executive order, and they're now getting around to actually doing it, to going

01:30:05.180 into the museums, taking a look at these exhibits and trying to clean them up.

01:30:08.020 And there's going to be interviews by Trump administration officials with all the curators

01:30:12.660 of these museums.

01:30:13.280 And they don't like it, Stu.

01:30:14.920 They don't like that he took over the Kennedy Center and tried to de-woke-ify it.

01:30:18.860 The awards that are now being given there, you cannot get if you're woke. 0.99

01:30:22.400 Trump said that personally.

01:30:23.360 And at the Smithsonian and the other museums, we are not going to let you DEI our history

01:30:29.320 and re-examine every bit of it through your woke lens.

01:30:32.880 It's just not going to happen.

01:30:34.240 So there was an extraordinary exchange on CNN last night where Abby Phillip, who never

01:30:38.520 misses a chance to bash the country's race relations and is part of the problem in creating 0.81

01:30:44.300 bad ones, had she jumped all over Jillian Michaels, who it's been fun to watch. 1.00

01:30:51.720 I love Jillian.

01:30:52.300 She's coming out of her like liberal bubble and her journey is not yet complete, but

01:30:56.880 she's kind of she's over the past few years, she's really started to get it like, wait

01:31:00.340 a minute, I think I've been really misled by my side and she's getting red pilled like 0.94

01:31:04.280 by the day.

01:31:05.540 She's awesome. 0.83

01:31:06.320 I love her.

01:31:06.660 But so she's on CNN on that panel and she tries to defend what Trump's doing at the

01:31:11.260 Smithsonian.

01:31:11.840 And she's noticed, too, what I was just saying.

01:31:13.900 And here's how that went.

01:31:16.000 We're now literally reviewing parts of American history and parts of American culture to make

01:31:20.860 sure it comports with dear leader.

01:31:23.140 Julie Rigginske.

01:31:23.840 Can we address some of those things that are in there?

01:31:26.320 Because have you looked at some of the things that are being reviewed?

01:31:28.700 Yeah, slavery was a bad thing that was to talk about.

01:31:30.920 Okay.

01:31:31.420 Like, forgive me for saying I'm washing slavery.

01:31:33.880 He's not?

01:31:34.440 He's not.

01:31:34.960 No.

01:31:35.240 Okay.

01:31:35.620 He's not.

01:31:36.540 And you cannot tie imperialism and racism and slavery to just one race, which is pretty

01:31:43.340 much what every single exhibit does.

01:31:45.400 Do you realize that only less than 2% of white Americans own slaves?

01:31:49.020 But it was a system of white supremacy.

01:31:50.520 Do you realize that slavery is thousands of years old?

01:31:53.080 White people were the slave owners. 0.99

01:31:54.240 Do you know who was the first race to try to end slavery?

01:31:56.840 What are you saying is incorrect by saying that it was white people oppressing black people?

01:32:01.860 Every single thing is like, oh, no, no, no. 0.99

01:32:04.760 This is all because white people bad. 0.99

01:32:07.160 And that's just not the truth. 0.97

01:32:10.100 There's one called Change Your Game has been an installation there.

01:32:13.680 Is gender testing fair in sports? 0.70

01:32:16.860 Does that?

01:32:17.620 And then it goes on to talk about how it's complex to do gender testing in sports.

01:32:22.440 It's not complex.

01:32:23.700 It's basic science.

01:32:25.100 Look, it's been completely captured.

01:32:28.040 First of all, I don't think we-

01:32:28.960 And it's totally partisan.

01:32:29.680 First of all, we don't have time to litigate all of this.

01:32:32.040 Of course we don't because then you're going to lose the argument.

01:32:34.680 And everything is racialized just like you're trying to do to me now.

01:32:39.680 Good for her.

01:32:40.840 Thoughts on it?

01:32:41.600 Yes.

01:32:42.460 That was awesome.

01:32:43.680 Yeah, I mean, it's a complicated picture when it comes to trying to just blame slavery on one race.

01:32:51.420 It's just not true.

01:32:52.460 I mean, like, slavery has existed since the beginning of man, and it's a really terrible thing.

01:32:57.600 We all recognize it's a real stain on our history, and it is something that we should cover.

01:33:02.560 That's a really, really important thing that people understand about our country, largely because, number one, we were one of the very first.

01:33:11.300 To rip ourselves out of that whole situation, thankfully, you know, we helped to lead the world out of that.

01:33:16.960 The only country that's fought a war to end slavery.

01:33:18.840 Yeah, right.

01:33:48.840 And there was a majority of Thomas Jefferson, of people who, at the very beginning of our nation, look to try to end it.

01:33:55.700 There was some opposition.

01:33:56.800 They wound up going in this situation to keep the original colonies together, you know, and eventually with a real, by the way, line to end it as soon as possible, which they eventually did.

01:34:09.180 You know, I think it is, you don't look at slavery and say, oh, well, we should justify it.

01:34:14.960 It wasn't that bad.

01:34:15.720 It was horrible.

01:34:16.820 It's one of the worst things that people do to other people, and they continue to do it to other people all over the world right now.

01:34:24.200 It's ongoing.

01:34:24.660 It's still occurring.

01:34:25.640 So this museum has become exactly what she was describing there.

01:34:32.240 It becomes this bizarre sort of woke left-wing self-punishment where you go in there and just think about how bad you are when in reality we are the greatest nation that's ever been.

01:34:46.060 There's no apology for that.

01:34:47.860 The same thing that happens with capitalism where we sit here and we say, oh, well, there's this problem with capitalism and there's this problem.

01:34:52.700 Of course there are problems with everything.

01:34:55.840 We can sit here and look at the problems of capitalism and try to make it better, but we should also acknowledge it's ripped billions of people out of poverty around the world.

01:35:04.620 It's one of the greatest things that humans have ever accomplished.

01:35:08.060 It's happened within our lifetime, and nobody notices because we're complaining about, you know, what statue is in some park in Alabama.

01:35:17.760 None of this – it doesn't make any sense the way that we handle these things, and I think what we should do is look at them with perspective, recognize that we've made mistakes, try to use those as examples of things to avoid forever, and learn the lesson of those things.

01:35:33.920 And, Megan, one of the central lessons of slavery is we shouldn't judge people by the color of their skin.

01:35:39.480 And for the last, you know, certainly since the George Floyd situation in prominence, the left has tried to recreate a situation in which that's the way we run our society.

01:35:49.480 Everybody looks at each other and says, what skin color are you?

01:35:51.840 Okay, now we can judge what you can do, what colleges you can get into, what jobs you can get.

01:35:56.000 That was the sort of thing we were supposed to be running away from.

01:35:58.540 They're trying to push us back, and I do think, at least since, I don't know, 2023 or so, we've made great progress moving the opposite direction, but there is still a lot of work to do, as that clip shows.

01:36:08.620 No, it's amazing.

01:36:09.900 Like, we went down, as I said, and we went to a bunch of the museums, and what you get over and over again is like, okay, you know, they lean in.

01:36:19.380 They want to spend all the time on slavery and Jim Crow. 0.95

01:36:23.980 Like, it's, there's an emphasis on the worst pieces of our past.

01:36:29.240 It's like they get off on it.

01:36:30.860 And then, conversely, you see, like, a huge celebration everywhere you go of, like, women who did this.

01:36:38.400 You know, like, women, women who flew. 1.00

01:36:40.600 Women, it's like, okay, we get it. 1.00

01:36:43.900 There were some women who did some great things, and that's awesome. 1.00

01:36:46.000 I have nothing against women. 1.00

01:36:47.380 But let's be honest, that's not the dominant story when we're talking about our country's history in flight.

01:36:52.200 You know, there are a couple who stood out.

01:36:54.360 We get it.

01:36:54.880 Amelia Earhart and some others.

01:36:56.460 But, like, that's not the story.

01:36:58.040 But you wouldn't know that.

01:36:59.320 You know, like, you go down and, like, you've always got to be told, what black person did something?

01:37:03.580 What woman did something? 1.00

01:37:04.860 What gay person did something? 0.54

01:37:06.220 It's like, can we just know what, can we have the bigger picture, please?

01:37:09.640 Can we have, like, the story?

01:37:11.580 And maybe, like, a corner is devoted to what some minority participated in or how they contributed.

01:37:17.740 And try not to make the whole story about that because you feel the need to elevate or to center the conversation around some oppressed group.

01:37:25.260 That's what the Smithsonian has done.

01:37:27.120 And I really hope that Trump and his team take a hard look at it and do what they say they're going to do because it's unnecessary.

01:37:32.240 And it's pandering and it feels cheap and false.

01:37:36.440 All right.

01:37:37.640 Let's keep going.

01:37:38.780 Well, let's keep going.

01:37:40.300 I want to talk about Jussie Smollett because I said I would and it's such a good story.

01:37:43.680 So he is resurfacing, Stu.

01:37:45.700 Not content to have suffered utter humiliation on a national scale.

01:37:49.720 And I told the audience this a week ago when we did Along Kelly's Court on what's about to happen.

01:37:55.220 Netflix is coming out with a new, quote, documentary, which is more like a mockumentary.

01:38:00.140 It's not a documentary. 0.81

01:38:00.860 I know this sounds like utter bullshit, what they're about to do, trying to rehabilitate Jussie Smollett. 0.81

01:38:06.320 They say they're just going to reframe the story in a way that you can decide what's real. 0.98

01:38:10.340 OK, we've decided.

01:38:11.360 We know he was prosecuted criminally.

01:38:14.400 What he claims is that there's a videotape we've never seen before, Stu, that's going to show that he was telling the truth all along.

01:38:22.400 And that he actually discussed said videotape on the eve of his trial with his lawyers.

01:38:27.400 But his lawyer said, oh, you know, we've kind of already settled on our defense.

01:38:32.060 We're not going to use that videotape.

01:38:33.980 OK, so they let him be tried and convicted, even though they had a silver bullet of a videotape showing he was telling the truth.

01:38:42.540 So now he's out there again and he's making these claims publicly.

01:38:48.400 Hold on.

01:38:48.820 Let me just pull what he is saying so you can have the very, very latest.

01:38:54.640 This is the headline of Variety.

01:38:56.380 He slams Chicago PD, Rahm Emanuel, who was the mayor of Chicago at the time, as villains while denying his hate that he committed a hate crime hoax and mounting a comeback.

01:39:08.600 My story, he says, has never changed.

01:39:11.500 Smollett names his, quote, villains as the two people who assaulted me.

01:39:16.960 Do you mean the two men you paid to assault you?

01:39:19.640 The Osandario brothers, Jussie, the Chicago Police Department.

01:39:24.300 And if I may be so brave, the mayor, he says.

01:39:29.620 He goes on to say, standby, flipping the page here.

01:39:36.000 OK, this is from the Netflix documentary.

01:39:39.960 He, when asked why potentially this potentially exculpatory evidence did not surface earlier, quote, to be honest with you, I don't really know.

01:39:48.660 I'm not an investigative reporter or a detective.

01:39:50.920 I can't sit and tell you exactly beat by beat what happened.

01:39:54.560 I can only tell you what did not happen.

01:39:56.760 And what did not happen is the story that's been out there for almost seven years.

01:40:00.360 That somehow I would have even a reason to do something as egregious as this.

01:40:06.260 Now, here is what actually happened per the two brothers who have gone on record with law enforcement and with the rest of the world as having been paid thirty five hundred dollars by Jussie Smollett to attack him in this hoax.

01:40:24.220 They're on record.

01:40:25.100 Here they are in a Fox Nation documentary, which is a true documentary and literally one of the greatest things to ever hit the screen.

01:40:33.840 Here here it is.

01:40:34.880 We made sure we got there at 2 a.m.

01:40:38.780 Sharp.

01:40:39.420 On the dot.

01:40:40.040 On the dot.

01:40:40.860 We had no phones because he did not want us to bring any phones.

01:40:44.800 He said, so we don't lose them.

01:40:46.840 I don't know if that's really the reason.

01:40:48.780 We waited here for about, what, four minutes?

01:40:51.460 It was about four minutes.

01:40:52.520 Roughly four minutes.

01:40:53.080 But it felt like forever.

01:40:54.660 Because it was cold as balls.

01:40:56.500 As we crossed the street, we said, hey, to get his attention. 1.00

01:41:01.120 Hey, n****. 0.99

01:41:02.360 Hey. 0.99

01:41:03.040 He turned around, looked at us.

01:41:05.620 And that's when we started yelling the famous slurs he wanted us to yell.

01:41:11.040 Hey. 0.96

01:41:11.720 Aren't you that empire ****? 0.92

01:41:13.280 It's MAGA country. 0.68

01:41:15.020 And then he said, what did you say to me?

01:41:17.380 And then that's when I threw the first punch at him.

01:41:20.920 I held the blow because I didn't want to hurt him, of course.

01:41:24.060 So I made it look real, but I held it.

01:41:27.560 Then we started tussling, moving around.

01:41:30.620 And then I threw him to the ground.

01:41:32.460 He wanted it to look like he fought back.

01:41:34.940 That was very important for him. 1.00

01:41:37.080 Because he said, hey, don't just beat my ass. 0.99

01:41:39.820 Make it look like I'm fighting back and whatnot. 0.99

01:41:41.980 So we did that.

01:41:43.560 And then I threw him to the ground.

01:41:43.840 Long conversations.

01:41:45.080 And while, after I threw him to the ground, he had no bruise.

01:41:48.780 I wanted it to look more real.

01:41:50.900 So then I threw him to the ground.

01:41:52.600 After I threw him to the ground.

01:41:54.060 I used my knuckle and gave him a noogie.

01:41:56.880 That's where I came around with the bleach.

01:41:59.220 The infamous bleach in the hot sauce bottle.

01:42:02.320 Poured it on his shirt.

01:42:04.140 Then I finally put the rope around his face.

01:42:06.660 I did not put it around his neck.

01:42:08.220 I just placed it on his face.

01:42:10.020 And that's when we...

01:42:10.720 So, Stu Braguier, why is Netflix allowing this nonsense?

01:42:15.400 I don't know.

01:42:16.200 First of all, how have I never seen that special before?

01:42:18.400 I have to go back and watch this.

01:42:21.080 It's incredible.

01:42:22.780 Yeah.

01:42:22.940 I mean, look, it wasn't just these guys' word, too, right?

01:42:25.880 Like, there was a lot of evidence in this case that showed this is what happened.

01:42:29.500 Yeah.

01:42:29.800 Like, why is he...

01:42:31.000 Why would he be writing a check to his own attackers?

01:42:34.060 It's very, very strange.

01:42:35.160 And why would he be out having a Subway sandwich in the middle of the very cold night at two in the morning?

01:42:39.800 Who knows?

01:42:40.340 I suppose Subway, you know, they've got an attack on an officer.

01:42:43.480 They've got the Jussie Salant thing coming back.

01:42:45.520 I suppose Subway is saying, at least they're not talking about Jared anymore.

01:42:49.260 We at least have that going for us.

01:42:51.080 Let's not forget the most infamous crime associated with anybody touching Subway.

01:42:54.960 We don't even want to go there.

01:42:56.080 Stu Braguier, I can't wait for the documentary to come out because I'm sure we're going to have a lot to say, as we have with you today.

01:43:01.360 Thank you, my friend, for being here.

01:43:03.180 Thank you so much, Megan.

01:43:04.820 All right.

01:43:05.260 We're back tomorrow with a deep dive on the truth on Russiagate.

01:43:08.120 We are taking on The New York Times directly.

01:43:10.100 See you then.

01:43:12.400 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

01:43:14.460 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - August 14, 2025

DOJ Employee Throws Sandwich at Fed Officer, and New Info About Clinton Investigation, with Stu Burguiere and John Solomon

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