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00:00:30.660 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:00:41.780 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Monday.

00:00:46.200 Big tech, big pharma, and a big show for you today.

00:00:50.380 A little later, we're going to dive into a difficult question

00:00:52.900 we got from a caller last week.

00:00:54.940 Remember Amy in our interview with Dr. Sachs?

00:00:58.760 She was concerned.

00:01:01.620 She was torn.

00:01:02.760 She had a daughter who was 23 who was questioning her gender.

00:01:08.620 And Dr. Sachs basically said,

00:01:10.820 that's outside my area of expertise once I get to that age

00:01:13.220 and couldn't help her.

00:01:14.400 But we have Dr. Debra So here today

00:01:18.240 who has got a real answer for Amy.

00:01:20.740 And we are looking forward to bringing that to you.

00:01:22.640 First, however, there's a lot of news to get to

00:01:24.220 from a busy weekend.

00:01:26.000 Happy to welcome back today, stand-up comedian Dave Smith,

00:01:29.300 who is the host of the Part of the Problem podcast.

00:01:33.420 Love that name.

00:01:34.220 Dave, welcome back.

00:01:34.880 How you doing?

00:01:36.200 What's up, Megyn?

00:01:36.840 Good to be back with you.

00:01:38.260 All is well.

00:01:39.420 So, except if you're Joe Biden,

00:01:40.740 in which case there are documents coming out of your ears

00:01:43.080 that say classified.

00:01:44.140 They're coming out there.

00:01:44.820 It's like, man, there's not Reese.

00:01:46.560 And it's not like, oh, I went home

00:01:47.680 because I'm president to Delaware for the weekend.

00:01:49.580 I left one behind.

00:01:50.840 Now they're finding stuff back from his time in the Senate.

00:01:53.460 How long does that mean he became vice president in 08?

00:01:56.400 So we're talking, you know, what?

00:01:57.820 What's that?

00:01:58.240 Let me do my math.

00:01:59.360 12 plus another three.

00:02:01.100 15 years old?

00:02:02.200 Stuff's been sitting there.

00:02:03.840 And yet another disclosure that they found

00:02:06.160 yet another tranche of documents at his home.

00:02:08.640 This is the fifth tranche.

00:02:10.340 We don't know exactly how many

00:02:11.640 because they're just saying they found six items

00:02:14.620 that have classified documents in them.

00:02:17.080 I don't know what that means.

00:02:18.520 What is that?

00:02:18.800 Is that like file cabinet,

00:02:20.620 six file cabinets full of classified documents?

00:02:23.360 Worse than Trump.

00:02:23.980 Same as Trump.

00:02:24.400 We have no idea

00:02:25.060 because they're getting intentionally cagey.

00:02:28.640 Last we heard from Biden before this fifth tranche

00:02:31.280 was no regrets.

00:02:32.400 I'm good, Mr. Cooperation.

00:02:34.840 I'm not like Trump.

00:02:35.920 That's really kind of how they're choosing to handle this.

00:02:39.220 Latest polls show the American public,

00:02:41.020 they do care.

00:02:41.880 Something like 64% say he's been irresponsible.

00:02:44.880 People are not happy about it.

00:02:46.080 But is it a political problem for him

00:02:49.320 or just potentially a legal one?

00:02:52.580 How do you see it?

00:02:54.300 Well, it's I mean, it's just really hilarious

00:02:56.720 that they went all in on this is the worst crime

00:02:59.160 ever committed when it was on Donald Trump's watch.

00:03:01.900 And now the same exact pundits are telling you like,

00:03:04.740 oh, there's really no big deal here.

00:03:06.740 I think it's it's politically damaging

00:03:10.540 because it's the same thing that they use to justify,

00:03:13.780 you know, raiding Donald Trump's home.

00:03:16.900 I think that legally speaking,

00:03:20.320 these are, you know,

00:03:21.740 we kind of live under a system

00:03:23.500 that's been described as anarcho-tyranny

00:03:26.280 where there are there is the rule of law.

00:03:29.180 But let's just say the Justice Department

00:03:32.020 is very selective

00:03:32.840 on when they're going to enforce it.

00:03:35.700 I mean, you think about examples

00:03:37.160 such as, say, James Clapper

00:03:39.460 testifying before Congress

00:03:41.380 that there is no program at the NSA

00:03:44.640 to collect your your data.

00:03:46.960 Just said it with a straight face,

00:03:48.740 bold face lie,

00:03:49.760 as clear cut a case

00:03:50.880 as as long to Congress

00:03:52.260 as you could imagine.

00:03:53.080 Now, had he been one of Trump's lawyers,

00:03:55.380 I guarantee you

00:03:56.380 he'd be doing jail time for that.

00:03:57.700 Yes, I guarantee you

00:03:58.980 he never will do jail time for that

00:04:00.600 because he's part of the establishment.

00:04:02.400 So it's it's the choice

00:04:04.020 is up to the powers that be

00:04:05.560 whether they would ever prosecute

00:04:06.840 Joe Biden for it.

00:04:08.340 I'm not completely convinced they wouldn't.

00:04:09.720 I think a lot of people

00:04:10.420 don't want him to seek reelection.

00:04:12.540 I think the bigger lesson

00:04:14.520 from all of this

00:04:15.680 is that it's insane

00:04:17.620 how much classified material there is.

00:04:20.860 It's, you know,

00:04:21.800 you could kind of understand

00:04:22.940 a justification for classifying

00:04:24.880 some material in a very narrow,

00:04:26.800 you know,

00:04:27.740 in a very narrow scope,

00:04:29.100 like there's, you know,

00:04:30.320 sources and methods

00:04:31.140 or an issue of national security.

00:04:33.340 But we've learned over and over

00:04:35.300 when we see declassified information

00:04:37.780 that there was never any need

00:04:39.320 to classify it.

00:04:40.160 Yes.

00:04:40.760 And I think probably

00:04:41.780 almost every president

00:04:42.940 and vice president

00:04:44.160 could could get in trouble for this.

00:04:46.720 It's like there's

00:04:47.940 there's millions of documents

00:04:49.800 that are labeled classified.

00:04:51.140 It's really an outrage

00:04:52.620 if you think about it,

00:04:53.460 that we tolerate

00:04:54.280 in a supposed democracy

00:04:56.080 that the government's

00:04:57.280 just allowed to operate in secret.

00:04:58.980 I think back to things like

00:05:00.340 I remember when David Nunes

00:05:01.560 got that FBI memo declassified

00:05:05.220 that all it showed

00:05:06.600 was that they used

00:05:07.460 the Steele dossier

00:05:08.300 to obtain the FISA warrants

00:05:09.940 on Carter Page.

00:05:11.080 But they classified that

00:05:12.380 because they just thought

00:05:13.360 it might embarrass the FBI.

00:05:14.820 Yeah.

00:05:14.980 You know, there's lots

00:05:16.120 of stuff like that.

00:05:17.400 It's a great system, right?

00:05:18.540 I wish I had a system like that

00:05:19.860 where whenever I wrote

00:05:20.860 something stupid

00:05:21.540 or that made me look bad,

00:05:22.880 I could just mark classified on it

00:05:24.580 and no one could ever

00:05:25.400 show it to anybody

00:05:26.020 no matter what happened.

00:05:27.880 That's basically how

00:05:28.600 they're using this.

00:05:30.000 Like my wife was like,

00:05:30.960 what did you eat

00:05:31.500 while you were on the road?

00:05:32.440 And I was like, sweetheart,

00:05:33.240 that's classified material.

00:05:34.700 I can't just can't divulge.

00:05:37.320 Honestly, it is.

00:05:38.240 They look at this point.

00:05:39.980 You'd like to think,

00:05:40.980 can we just move on?

00:05:42.120 Like we actually have real problems.

00:05:44.420 Just move on from Trump.

00:05:45.860 Move on from Biden.

00:05:46.820 We get it.

00:05:47.520 They did bad things

00:05:48.220 with the documents

00:05:48.780 that they arguably

00:05:49.700 weren't supposed to do.

00:05:51.420 But we can't

00:05:52.340 because you got civilians

00:05:53.480 who are being prosecuted

00:05:54.620 by this government right now

00:05:55.940 by the DOJ.

00:05:56.980 There's one woman,

00:05:57.920 Andy McCarthy's been pointing out,

00:05:58.960 facing 10 years in prison right now.

00:06:00.900 They haven't yet sentenced her,

00:06:01.860 but she's been found guilty

00:06:02.700 for what appears to be

00:06:04.480 a lesser offense

00:06:05.140 than either one of these guys

00:06:06.140 has even allegedly committed.

00:06:07.840 So there's two

00:06:08.840 talk about two tiered systems

00:06:10.180 of justice.

00:06:12.240 Yeah, and it makes you wonder

00:06:13.740 how these things like,

00:06:14.640 I don't know that specific case,

00:06:15.840 but it makes you wonder

00:06:16.600 how these things actually work.

00:06:18.440 You know,

00:06:18.660 is it that there were people

00:06:20.460 pissed off at this woman?

00:06:22.400 And so that's why

00:06:23.420 they use this as an excuse

00:06:25.220 to like prosecute her

00:06:26.240 because there does seem

00:06:27.240 to be just like

00:06:27.860 an appalling double standard

00:06:29.720 almost at every level

00:06:31.180 of justice in this country

00:06:32.560 where some certain groups,

00:06:35.280 certain classes

00:06:36.360 just do not fit.

00:06:37.780 It can violate the law

00:06:38.660 and face no repercussions.

00:06:39.760 And then other people,

00:06:41.100 you know,

00:06:41.260 it's like we have

00:06:41.780 so many laws on the books.

00:06:43.560 There's I think

00:06:44.220 there was something

00:06:44.860 someone wrote a book

00:06:45.600 about how the average person

00:06:46.860 is like a felon

00:06:49.060 four times over

00:06:49.960 because there's just

00:06:50.520 so many laws on the books.

00:06:52.280 And so then

00:06:52.860 you kind of get this,

00:06:54.260 you know,

00:06:54.940 this selective justice

00:06:55.920 where they can decide

00:06:57.400 who their enemies are

00:06:58.380 and go after them.

00:06:59.940 I mean,

00:07:00.640 there's no better example

00:07:01.600 than Trump

00:07:02.440 and all the people

00:07:03.060 who were who were

00:07:04.200 on his campaign

00:07:05.000 and on his cabinet.

00:07:05.840 I mean,

00:07:06.400 they could,

00:07:07.000 you know,

00:07:07.140 they'd go 15 years back

00:07:09.480 and find some violation

00:07:10.640 about not registering

00:07:11.780 as a foreign lobbyist

00:07:13.000 or something like this.

00:07:13.640 You could do this

00:07:14.400 to any administration

00:07:15.340 if you wanted to,

00:07:16.640 but they don't usually want to.

00:07:18.940 Well,

00:07:19.000 Trump's been saying

00:07:20.040 from the beginning,

00:07:20.760 like everybody does this,

00:07:22.540 you know,

00:07:22.740 like what?

00:07:23.640 Why?

00:07:24.120 Why are they coming after me?

00:07:25.080 Every president takes documents

00:07:26.340 after his time in office

00:07:27.620 and everybody's like,

00:07:28.740 no,

00:07:28.880 they don't.

00:07:29.500 No,

00:07:29.620 they don't.

00:07:30.060 He's the only rule breaker

00:07:31.320 who refuses to comply with order.

00:07:34.140 You know,

00:07:34.260 it's all about the spoils for himself.

00:07:35.700 And now here's Joe Biden.

00:07:36.680 Like I say,

00:07:37.220 15 years worth of documents

00:07:39.380 sitting in his home,

00:07:41.000 in his office,

00:07:41.780 in his garage.

00:07:42.860 Oh,

00:07:43.560 and by the way,

00:07:44.180 finally,

00:07:44.900 finally,

00:07:45.620 the DOJ came over,

00:07:47.160 the FBI came over

00:07:48.200 and conducted this search.

00:07:49.500 But the first four tranches

00:07:51.040 were found by his personal lawyers

00:07:53.260 or his White House counsel lawyers,

00:07:55.020 which are really his lawyers,

00:07:56.640 without the eye of the FBI

00:07:58.800 watching over

00:07:59.640 to make sure it was done correctly.

00:08:01.520 So we don't know

00:08:02.580 really what's there

00:08:04.480 or what's been turned over,

00:08:06.460 what hasn't been turned over,

00:08:08.060 right?

00:08:08.300 It's like honor system

00:08:09.800 from a man

00:08:10.580 who clearly has not proven

00:08:12.260 he has honor

00:08:13.080 when it comes to protecting

00:08:14.480 the nation's documents.

00:08:15.900 They're,

00:08:16.180 you know,

00:08:16.420 the country's secrets.

00:08:18.420 Right.

00:08:18.740 Well,

00:08:19.040 I mean,

00:08:19.300 to me,

00:08:19.880 I just look at it

00:08:20.640 and I go,

00:08:21.140 if you think about

00:08:22.140 the egregious crimes

00:08:24.420 that have been committed

00:08:25.280 by presidents

00:08:26.140 over the years,

00:08:27.700 including the ones

00:08:28.840 that we're discussing,

00:08:29.900 I mean,

00:08:30.100 if you think about,

00:08:31.380 you know,

00:08:31.900 George W. Bush

00:08:32.920 and Dick Cheney

00:08:34.160 instituting torture,

00:08:35.640 Barack Obama

00:08:36.740 knowingly armed Al-Qaeda

00:08:38.900 in Syria.

00:08:40.200 It's like literal treason

00:08:41.500 with a capital T

00:08:42.660 and they openly talked about it.

00:08:45.240 He also supported Al-Qaeda

00:08:46.640 in the war in Yemen

00:08:47.880 that's continued

00:08:49.060 through all four years

00:08:50.000 of Trump's presidency

00:08:52.500 and is continuing

00:08:53.980 into Biden's presidency.

00:08:55.280 Bernie Sanders

00:08:55.720 just pulled back

00:08:56.500 his war powers resolution recently.

00:08:58.660 But these egregious crimes

00:09:00.200 just ripping off

00:09:01.800 the American people,

00:09:03.320 robbing them

00:09:03.940 to give handouts

00:09:05.820 to giant corporations.

00:09:07.360 I mean,

00:09:07.580 just the level

00:09:09.620 is so,

00:09:10.660 so grave.

00:09:13.040 And then to think

00:09:13.840 that these are the crimes

00:09:15.100 that will actually

00:09:16.480 be discussed,

00:09:17.680 you know,

00:09:18.080 and that this is

00:09:18.980 what was worth

00:09:19.740 raiding Donald Trump's

00:09:21.340 home for.

00:09:22.020 I mean,

00:09:22.160 just think about

00:09:22.880 just the wars

00:09:24.360 that we've waged

00:09:26.160 in the last 60 years.

00:09:28.200 You know,

00:09:28.380 basically say

00:09:28.860 everything since World War II.

00:09:30.520 Just think about

00:09:31.200 all of them.

00:09:31.960 How many innocent people

00:09:32.900 have died?

00:09:34.320 None of this

00:09:35.100 ever seems to like

00:09:36.480 be viewed as a scandal.

00:09:38.920 You know,

00:09:39.260 there's on the way

00:09:39.920 out of Afghanistan,

00:09:41.760 Joe Biden

00:09:42.420 had a drone strike

00:09:44.100 that killed like

00:09:44.780 four babies

00:09:45.560 or something like that.

00:09:46.680 And they said

00:09:47.200 it's because

00:09:47.600 they suspected

00:09:48.280 there was

00:09:49.520 an ISIS-K leader there.

00:09:50.920 It turned out

00:09:51.360 they were wrong.

00:09:52.600 I should point out

00:09:53.440 I should point out

00:09:54.580 to our listening audience

00:09:55.700 who they're not familiar

00:09:56.560 with, Dave.

00:09:56.900 He's a libertarian

00:09:57.660 and he's not real

00:09:59.180 pro-government

00:09:59.960 interventions

00:10:00.500 in wars that we may

00:10:01.400 or may not need

00:10:01.880 to be fighting

00:10:02.480 and so on.

00:10:02.980 So kind of put

00:10:03.800 some of those

00:10:04.180 treason comments

00:10:05.440 in context.

00:10:07.100 But you're right.

00:10:07.640 I'm just telling you,

00:10:08.400 but Barack Obama

00:10:09.540 actually,

00:10:11.120 because he wanted

00:10:11.960 to overthrow Assad,

00:10:13.680 started a program,

00:10:14.480 Operation Timber Sycamore.

00:10:15.820 You can go look

00:10:16.580 into it

00:10:17.060 and they were

00:10:17.600 arming Al-Qaeda

00:10:18.640 and ISIS

00:10:19.320 in Syria.

00:10:20.800 And this is the same

00:10:21.380 guys we had been

00:10:21.980 fighting against

00:10:22.780 in the Iraq war

00:10:23.660 under George W. Bush.

00:10:24.860 He sent them weapons.

00:10:26.040 There's a leaked

00:10:27.160 audio tape of John Kerry

00:10:28.340 talking about it.

00:10:29.180 I mean,

00:10:29.320 even if you don't

00:10:29.840 agree with me

00:10:30.340 and you think

00:10:30.740 maybe some of these

00:10:31.620 wars were justified,

00:10:33.000 tell me how you

00:10:34.180 justify that one.

00:10:35.980 Well, I mean,

00:10:36.200 I was focused more

00:10:37.120 on your comment

00:10:38.720 about the war on terror

00:10:40.220 and the torture

00:10:41.060 and all that,

00:10:41.520 which was justified

00:10:42.260 by DOJ lawyers.

00:10:43.540 I mean,

00:10:43.680 that wasn't,

00:10:44.600 yes,

00:10:44.840 you can certainly

00:10:45.420 go back and say

00:10:46.040 that was the wrong

00:10:46.540 decision or whatever,

00:10:47.320 but at least

00:10:47.940 President Bush

00:10:48.760 had a permission slip

00:10:50.580 from the lawyers

00:10:51.160 who were supposed

00:10:51.620 to be looking

00:10:52.120 after this.

00:10:53.140 And everybody knows

00:10:53.880 why that happened.

00:10:54.580 It was 9-11.

00:10:55.260 We were scared.

00:10:56.000 We bent over backwards

00:10:57.060 to bend civil liberties

00:10:58.320 without much caring

00:11:00.140 about whether or not

00:11:01.440 it was true

00:11:02.480 that these were legal

00:11:04.060 and constitutional.

00:11:06.380 We were scared,

00:11:07.080 right?

00:11:07.240 It's like 3,000 Americans

00:11:08.120 got killed.

00:11:08.900 In any event,

00:11:09.280 all that is stuff

00:11:09.980 from which we should learn.

00:11:11.480 And I don't know

00:11:12.280 that the answer

00:11:12.800 is to start

00:11:13.360 overly prosecuting

00:11:15.860 these issues.

00:11:17.320 Like,

00:11:17.600 it's serious.

00:11:18.260 You shouldn't have

00:11:18.760 top-secret documents

00:11:19.760 sitting in your garage

00:11:20.980 or sitting at Mar-a-Lago.

00:11:22.600 Though in President Trump's case,

00:11:23.720 at least there's a question

00:11:24.540 since he was president

00:11:25.560 about whether he declassified them.

00:11:28.080 You shouldn't be,

00:11:28.660 but let's not treat this.

00:11:30.080 I mean,

00:11:30.500 good God,

00:11:31.240 the amount of press,

00:11:33.260 ink,

00:11:34.000 time we've had to devote

00:11:35.300 to this

00:11:35.740 because they threw

00:11:37.040 the book at Trump.

00:11:39.540 Yeah,

00:11:39.740 I think that's basically it.

00:11:41.240 I mean,

00:11:41.460 I think that

00:11:41.920 their number one,

00:11:43.800 the number one goal

00:11:45.100 of the establishment

00:11:46.860 right now

00:11:47.340 seems to be preventing

00:11:48.260 Donald Trump

00:11:49.020 from running again

00:11:50.200 and humiliating them again

00:11:51.620 as he did in 2016.

00:11:53.720 And so this seemed

00:11:54.620 to be their way

00:11:55.360 to get him.

00:11:56.700 And I gotta say,

00:11:57.900 not that I know this,

00:11:59.080 I'm just speculating,

00:12:00.340 but it does,

00:12:01.500 I do wonder

00:12:02.620 if this isn't

00:12:03.920 kind of an inside job

00:12:05.400 to try to bring

00:12:06.060 Joe Biden down.

00:12:06.880 I think there's a lot

00:12:07.580 of very powerful people

00:12:08.680 in the Democratic machine

00:12:10.260 who are very concerned

00:12:12.020 about this guy

00:12:12.900 being the nominee

00:12:14.540 in 2024

00:12:15.540 for,

00:12:16.100 you know,

00:12:16.420 fairly obvious reasons.

00:12:17.780 In the year 2020,

00:12:19.640 Joe Biden was,

00:12:20.900 he was almost gifted

00:12:22.300 an out

00:12:23.140 where he was able

00:12:24.280 to stay in his basement

00:12:26.080 for the whole campaign,

00:12:27.460 do almost no public events.

00:12:29.160 I mean,

00:12:29.280 this is unheard of

00:12:30.320 in modern presidential campaigning,

00:12:32.740 but he was able to do it

00:12:33.940 because it was 2020

00:12:34.940 and he could kind of spin it

00:12:36.680 and say,

00:12:37.660 well,

00:12:37.860 I'm being the responsible

00:12:38.660 one.

00:12:39.460 I'm not going out

00:12:40.160 and spreading COVID.

00:12:40.900 I'm doing what you're

00:12:41.440 supposed to be doing.

00:12:42.360 You're not going to be able

00:12:43.140 to do that

00:12:43.740 in this next campaign.

00:12:45.600 And I think a lot of people

00:12:47.280 are waking up to that.

00:12:48.620 He was able to get them

00:12:50.040 through the midterms

00:12:50.900 without having the huge losses

00:12:52.540 that many thought

00:12:53.380 they would have.

00:12:54.200 But I think a lot of them

00:12:55.120 realize now

00:12:55.800 he wants to run

00:12:57.560 for re-election

00:12:58.260 and I think there's some people

00:12:59.440 who are pretty desperate

00:13:00.240 to try to get him out of there

00:13:01.520 and next they have to find

00:13:02.820 an excuse why it can't

00:13:03.660 be Kamala Harris either.

00:13:04.520 If so,

00:13:05.420 this is the lamest

00:13:06.600 attempt at a takedown

00:13:08.120 ever.

00:13:09.140 I mean,

00:13:09.340 they're going to try

00:13:09.880 to get him out of the

00:13:10.920 political race by saying

00:13:11.800 he also had classified

00:13:12.960 documents.

00:13:13.640 That is such a one

00:13:15.260 small lane issue.

00:13:18.240 Like,

00:13:18.660 that Trump

00:13:19.720 did this thing

00:13:21.080 and may or may not

00:13:21.920 face prosecution.

00:13:23.480 Putting Biden

00:13:24.180 in the same lane

00:13:25.940 doesn't mean he can't run

00:13:27.840 for political office again.

00:13:29.020 First of all,

00:13:29.280 the DOJ doesn't prosecute

00:13:30.380 a sitting president,

00:13:30.960 so he's not getting

00:13:31.580 prosecuted.

00:13:32.100 Period.

00:13:32.580 He's not getting

00:13:33.300 prosecuted.

00:13:34.180 Joe Biden,

00:13:34.940 that is.

00:13:35.980 And at worst,

00:13:37.500 this situation

00:13:38.300 makes it impossible

00:13:39.440 to prosecute Trump.

00:13:40.880 But I don't see in any way

00:13:42.120 how it stops

00:13:42.760 Biden's ability

00:13:44.180 to run

00:13:45.340 or get re-elected.

00:13:46.380 I genuinely don't.

00:13:47.240 I understand

00:13:47.800 there's a huge

00:13:48.560 faction on the left

00:13:49.460 that would like to see

00:13:50.640 Gavin Newsom run

00:13:51.500 or somebody other than Biden.

00:13:53.300 But this is the left.

00:13:54.380 Then get Biden on tape

00:13:55.720 in his quiet moments

00:13:57.240 where he's,

00:13:57.520 oh,

00:13:57.640 where's my pudding?

00:13:59.820 Then get that.

00:14:01.040 That's that's the way

00:14:01.860 to stop Biden.

00:14:02.840 Not this lame legal.

00:14:05.080 Well,

00:14:05.220 he did it,

00:14:05.760 but then he kind of did it.

00:14:06.760 And then the Presidential

00:14:07.660 Records Act

00:14:08.480 and the class.

00:14:09.060 Nobody understands that.

00:14:11.200 Well,

00:14:11.680 there's we'll find out

00:14:13.440 what comes of this,

00:14:14.840 what the extent of it is.

00:14:16.020 I I do agree with you,

00:14:17.280 though,

00:14:17.360 that that tape must exist.

00:14:19.580 Yes,

00:14:20.080 right.

00:14:20.840 It must.

00:14:21.580 If you really wanted

00:14:22.460 to hurt him,

00:14:23.140 that's what you would do.

00:14:24.200 All right.

00:14:24.540 Speaking of hurt,

00:14:25.580 let's take a hard turn here

00:14:26.660 to our friends on the right

00:14:28.120 who are fighting.

00:14:29.680 This was painful for me,

00:14:31.040 Dave,

00:14:31.240 because I feel like

00:14:31.760 it's my two brothers.

00:14:33.220 I feel like it's two brothers

00:14:34.140 who are in a nasty argument

00:14:35.380 with one another.

00:14:35.920 And I'm like,

00:14:36.420 oh,

00:14:36.540 no,

00:14:36.840 please get along.

00:14:39.320 Stephen Crowder

00:14:40.120 and The Daily Wire

00:14:41.000 are at odds right now.

00:14:42.840 Stephen Crowder.

00:14:43.960 And I think our audience

00:14:45.140 knows him.

00:14:45.600 He's been on this show

00:14:46.760 many times.

00:14:48.020 He's hilarious.

00:14:49.940 He's brilliant.

00:14:51.600 And he's been

00:14:52.860 he's been doing

00:14:54.060 his own independent thing,

00:14:54.820 but he's been working

00:14:55.380 for The Blaze.

00:14:55.880 So he's got sort of

00:14:56.580 his own show

00:14:57.280 that he built,

00:14:57.940 but it was under

00:14:58.640 the auspices of The Blaze

00:14:59.980 up until December.

00:15:01.180 And then he became

00:15:01.940 a free agent

00:15:02.720 and turned a lot of heads

00:15:04.960 like a week or so ago

00:15:06.260 by coming out

00:15:06.780 with this 30-minute video

00:15:07.860 where he was upset.

00:15:09.360 Like,

00:15:09.500 you could see,

00:15:10.340 I know Stephen,

00:15:11.140 and I could,

00:15:11.660 like,

00:15:11.880 a couple times

00:15:12.400 he almost seemed

00:15:12.800 like he's holding back tears.

00:15:13.800 Like,

00:15:13.940 he was emotional.

00:15:16.060 Like,

00:15:16.420 I don't understand

00:15:17.140 what's happening

00:15:18.100 on the right.

00:15:18.920 And I feel like

00:15:19.820 Big Con

00:15:21.100 is basically doing

00:15:22.640 the bidding of big tech,

00:15:23.840 meaning big conservatism.

00:15:25.900 And he didn't name

00:15:27.380 who he was referring to,

00:15:29.620 but he said,

00:15:30.040 I'm a free agent

00:15:30.660 and I've been in negotiations.

00:15:32.480 And people have to understand,

00:15:33.420 Crowder is huge.

00:15:35.100 He's got almost

00:15:35.500 7 million followers

00:15:36.540 on YouTube.

00:15:37.440 He's got this thing

00:15:38.020 called Mug Club.

00:15:38.740 He's got subscribers.

00:15:39.680 He was demonetized by YouTube,

00:15:40.820 but he's still making

00:15:41.560 a ton of money

00:15:42.280 because he's so popular.

00:15:43.520 He's been in this business

00:15:44.200 a long time.

00:15:45.720 So to get him

00:15:46.680 would be a real coup

00:15:47.420 for anybody.

00:15:48.060 But of course,

00:15:50.700 controversial

00:15:51.160 because he says

00:15:52.400 whatever the hell

00:15:52.940 he wants to say

00:15:53.640 and he couldn't care less

00:15:54.740 if you're offended.

00:15:55.540 So he's not for everybody.

00:15:57.340 You couldn't certainly

00:15:57.980 pick him up

00:15:58.440 and put him on at CNN.

00:16:00.620 In any event,

00:16:01.400 here he is talking about

00:16:02.460 how he was very upset

00:16:03.500 at Sop 14.

00:16:05.840 Big tech is in bed

00:16:06.980 with Big Con.

00:16:09.300 The people you thought,

00:16:11.260 the people I thought

00:16:12.440 were fighting for you,

00:16:14.040 a lot of it has been

00:16:16.140 a big con.

00:16:18.460 Now, I'm specifically avoiding

00:16:19.820 naming names

00:16:21.280 or going after individuals

00:16:22.460 in this video

00:16:23.460 because I genuinely hope

00:16:25.660 that those I'm addressing,

00:16:26.900 and you know who you are,

00:16:28.320 have a change of heart.

00:16:29.340 Don't sign these contracts.

00:16:32.620 I now know

00:16:34.300 what you are signing out there.

00:16:35.380 I have the luxury

00:16:35.880 of not having to.

00:16:37.000 Let me go through this.

00:16:38.120 If any of the major platforms

00:16:39.500 issues a content strike

00:16:40.780 such that Crowder

00:16:41.820 cannot be monetized

00:16:43.040 on such platform,

00:16:44.400 the fee will be reduced

00:16:46.160 by 25%.

00:16:47.960 And then another 20%

00:16:49.200 of it happens on Apple.

00:16:50.060 And then another 10%

00:16:51.040 of it happens on Facebook.

00:16:51.860 And then another 10%

00:16:52.820 of it happens on Spotify.

00:16:54.300 Okay, so he's upset

00:16:55.500 about the contract.

00:16:56.600 Now we know it's

00:16:57.340 the Daily Wire.

00:16:58.000 He didn't say it was

00:16:58.560 the Daily Wire,

00:16:59.640 Ben Shapiro's organization.

00:17:01.200 But now we know.

00:17:01.860 And what he's mad about

00:17:02.920 is that they offered him

00:17:04.640 a $50 million deal

00:17:05.900 over four years,

00:17:07.040 but there was a lot

00:17:07.880 in that $50 million.

00:17:08.700 He was going to have

00:17:09.220 to produce the shows.

00:17:10.100 He was going to have

00:17:10.560 to employ the staff.

00:17:11.540 It's not like Daily Wire

00:17:12.160 was taking that on

00:17:13.060 from what I understand.

00:17:14.460 Steven was still

00:17:14.960 going to have to pay

00:17:15.620 all those bills.

00:17:17.200 Daily Wire is going

00:17:17.780 to own the content.

00:17:20.120 And he was going

00:17:21.840 to get demonetized

00:17:22.860 if he got demonetized.

00:17:24.180 So in other words,

00:17:24.760 if videos got

00:17:26.020 bounced off of YouTube

00:17:27.260 or bounced off

00:17:28.060 of Facebook or so on

00:17:29.160 and Daily Wire

00:17:29.780 couldn't monetize it,

00:17:30.720 they're going to make

00:17:31.120 Steven pay the price.

00:17:32.840 So Steven apparently

00:17:33.720 said no,

00:17:34.780 and I think this is

00:17:35.440 exploitative.

00:17:36.020 And what is this?

00:17:36.960 This looks like a contract

00:17:37.820 I would get from

00:17:38.720 Pod Save America,

00:17:41.120 you know,

00:17:41.340 the lefties who work

00:17:42.260 for Obama

00:17:42.720 who've got a podcast,

00:17:43.820 not something from

00:17:44.600 the Daily Wire

00:17:45.260 which understands

00:17:46.060 conservatives get targeted

00:17:47.160 regularly for demonetization.

00:17:50.060 So that's what he said.

00:17:52.220 Then Jeremy Boring,

00:17:53.740 our friend,

00:17:54.260 he runs Daily Wire

00:17:55.000 with Ben,

00:17:56.460 goes out and outs

00:17:57.760 the Daily Wire

00:17:58.440 as the offeror

00:17:59.720 behind that offer

00:18:00.980 and tries to explain

00:18:03.220 that he's good friends

00:18:05.100 with Steven,

00:18:05.720 that Steven reached out

00:18:06.640 to the Daily Wire

00:18:07.360 and asked for an offer,

00:18:09.340 that the Daily Wire

00:18:09.940 thought the offer

00:18:10.600 of $50 million

00:18:11.180 over four years

00:18:11.900 even though it included

00:18:12.620 all the stuff

00:18:13.180 that Steven would have

00:18:14.460 to pay for

00:18:14.960 was pretty generous

00:18:15.980 and it was just an opener

00:18:17.460 just to debate

00:18:18.820 and all those terms

00:18:20.160 that Steven was up,

00:18:20.820 that's just to debate.

00:18:22.720 And here's a little bit

00:18:24.020 of Jeremy,

00:18:26.320 I'll play SOT 16 here.

00:18:29.300 Steven, again,

00:18:30.300 I think the most entertaining

00:18:32.160 talented person

00:18:33.340 in the conservative movement,

00:18:34.340 I think one of the most

00:18:35.040 entertaining

00:18:35.480 and talented people

00:18:36.640 in entertainment

00:18:37.360 generally in the country today,

00:18:40.020 but Steven's never

00:18:40.840 had to create

00:18:41.620 the company

00:18:42.760 that actually

00:18:44.280 distributes markets

00:18:46.300 and monetizes

00:18:47.220 all of that content.

00:18:49.140 You know,

00:18:49.360 he talks in his video

00:18:50.120 about being

00:18:50.640 one of the only

00:18:51.280 true independent

00:18:51.980 conservative voices

00:18:52.940 and I find that

00:18:54.320 incredibly offensive.

00:18:55.660 You know,

00:18:56.140 Steven,

00:18:56.700 the whole time

00:18:57.140 I've known him

00:18:57.640 has worked

00:18:58.380 for someone else.

00:18:59.200 All right,

00:19:00.400 so now it's on

00:19:01.520 and I'll get to

00:19:02.120 the next part

00:19:02.760 in a second.

00:19:03.460 You know where

00:19:03.780 this is going.

00:19:04.900 But so far

00:19:05.440 we have

00:19:06.060 one of the biggest

00:19:07.140 voices in the

00:19:07.760 conservative media

00:19:08.480 saying

00:19:08.960 your contract,

00:19:10.380 your terms

00:19:10.920 are so

00:19:12.340 draconian

00:19:13.460 that not only

00:19:14.520 would they make

00:19:14.920 it impossible

00:19:15.280 for me to do business,

00:19:16.460 they will make it

00:19:17.240 impossible

00:19:17.800 for any young

00:19:18.920 guy or gal

00:19:20.180 coming up

00:19:20.720 the ladder

00:19:21.500 to effectively

00:19:22.560 do business.

00:19:24.140 And they have

00:19:24.500 Jeremy and Daily Wire

00:19:25.700 saying,

00:19:26.380 dude,

00:19:27.120 that's business,

00:19:28.000 that's life.

00:19:29.240 So far,

00:19:29.600 where do you stand?

00:19:31.340 Well,

00:19:31.840 I got to say,

00:19:33.140 and I kind of

00:19:34.040 just hate this

00:19:34.580 whole thing.

00:19:35.420 I mean,

00:19:35.580 I just did an episode

00:19:36.540 on my podcast

00:19:37.240 about it.

00:19:37.620 It's obviously

00:19:37.980 one of those things

00:19:38.460 you kind of have

00:19:38.960 to talk about

00:19:39.700 because it's just

00:19:40.640 so many people

00:19:41.200 are talking about it.

00:19:41.980 But I hate it all.

00:19:42.940 It's ugly

00:19:43.480 and I don't think

00:19:44.600 any of this

00:19:45.060 should be out

00:19:45.760 in the public.

00:19:46.840 But I just,

00:19:48.140 I got to say,

00:19:49.720 this is,

00:19:50.340 it just comes off

00:19:51.140 bad from Steven Crowder's

00:19:52.500 position as far

00:19:53.180 as I'm concerned.

00:19:54.160 I thought it was,

00:19:55.360 it was,

00:19:55.800 I don't know

00:19:56.180 that he did this

00:19:56.760 intentionally,

00:19:57.480 but I think

00:19:57.780 it was really

00:19:58.300 dishonest

00:19:59.180 to not disclose

00:20:02.080 the fee

00:20:02.740 while disclosing

00:20:04.260 all of the other

00:20:05.020 information

00:20:05.620 or some of the

00:20:06.540 other information

00:20:07.260 in this agreement,

00:20:08.780 which was also

00:20:09.440 not a contract

00:20:10.500 that he kept

00:20:11.500 insisting it was.

00:20:12.380 It was a non-binding

00:20:13.580 kind of like,

00:20:14.480 I forget what they call it,

00:20:15.600 like a term sheet

00:20:16.440 or something like that.

00:20:17.220 It was basically

00:20:17.880 a starting point

00:20:18.960 for negotiations.

00:20:20.440 I also am

00:20:21.800 kind of surprised,

00:20:23.140 you know,

00:20:23.360 he's kind of

00:20:24.840 making the argument

00:20:25.420 as you said,

00:20:26.140 that oh,

00:20:26.660 this is,

00:20:27.240 you know,

00:20:27.540 this is the type

00:20:28.100 of contract

00:20:28.540 that you would think

00:20:29.340 the lefties

00:20:30.540 would give you.

00:20:31.480 But I just feel

00:20:32.340 like his attitude

00:20:33.560 and a lot of his

00:20:34.140 supporters' attitude,

00:20:34.980 it's almost like

00:20:35.500 they're treating this

00:20:37.000 like,

00:20:37.420 they're acting

00:20:38.080 like a bunch

00:20:38.600 of lefties

00:20:39.160 when it comes

00:20:39.980 to the nature

00:20:40.540 of business

00:20:41.320 and how things work.

00:20:44.260 I mean,

00:20:44.580 like,

00:20:44.880 what are we all,

00:20:46.000 a bunch of socialists

00:20:47.660 here who are like,

00:20:48.420 you should get paid

00:20:49.320 the exact same

00:20:50.640 whether you're bringing

00:20:51.420 in as much money

00:20:52.340 or not?

00:20:53.040 This is how business works.

00:20:55.700 I mean,

00:20:55.920 what you're going

00:20:56.580 to get compensated

00:20:57.480 is going to be

00:20:58.540 a reflection

00:20:59.080 of how much money

00:20:59.880 you're bringing in.

00:21:00.620 Now,

00:21:00.740 I think it's horrible

00:21:01.580 that YouTube

00:21:02.820 will censor people

00:21:05.420 for having,

00:21:06.380 you know,

00:21:06.680 unpopular opinions.

00:21:08.060 I wish we didn't live

00:21:09.220 under this kind of,

00:21:10.840 this regime

00:21:12.640 of tech censorship,

00:21:14.060 but that's the reality.

00:21:15.520 And if you're independent

00:21:16.480 and you get booted

00:21:17.680 off of Apple

00:21:18.360 or YouTube,

00:21:19.100 you're going

00:21:19.320 to lose money.

00:21:20.280 And if you're with,

00:21:21.000 uh,

00:21:21.600 the,

00:21:21.840 if you're with,

00:21:22.600 um,

00:21:23.040 you know,

00:21:23.420 another company,

00:21:24.400 they're going

00:21:25.140 to lose money.

00:21:25.780 And of course they,

00:21:26.920 especially when you're

00:21:27.760 talking about such

00:21:28.480 huge sums of money,

00:21:29.800 but of course

00:21:30.500 they can't pay.

00:21:31.280 I mean,

00:21:31.460 like it seemed to me

00:21:32.160 like the stipulations

00:21:32.920 in the deal were,

00:21:33.780 well,

00:21:34.440 we'll pay you

00:21:35.000 this much money,

00:21:35.740 but you have to do

00:21:36.680 the show.

00:21:37.300 We're not going

00:21:37.920 to pay you for shows

00:21:38.620 you're not doing.

00:21:39.500 And also if something

00:21:40.880 happens where you're

00:21:41.620 bringing in drastically

00:21:42.580 less money,

00:21:43.200 that's going to be

00:21:43.940 affected.

00:21:45.080 Um,

00:21:45.520 I,

00:21:46.180 none of that seems

00:21:47.180 unreasonable to me.

00:21:48.520 I kind of want to side

00:21:50.260 with Steven Crowder

00:21:51.320 in a way on this issue,

00:21:52.460 but I'm just looking

00:21:53.400 at his actual argument

00:21:54.400 and going,

00:21:54.940 I just don't see it.

00:21:56.440 And I,

00:21:56.680 and I think that

00:21:57.400 the guys at the daily

00:21:58.460 wire came off

00:21:59.340 pretty good on this.

00:22:00.260 I mean,

00:22:00.380 they outed themselves

00:22:01.420 and then,

00:22:02.380 uh,

00:22:02.760 gave you the entire

00:22:03.760 term sheet.

00:22:04.620 They were like,

00:22:04.840 they always lift the

00:22:08.000 dress up,

00:22:08.500 so to speak.

00:22:09.060 They,

00:22:09.500 they really do.

00:22:10.160 They,

00:22:10.300 they,

00:22:10.860 they'll,

00:22:11.140 they're very transparent

00:22:11.920 about anything happening.

00:22:12.940 They have their,

00:22:13.480 uh,

00:22:13.880 staff meetings.

00:22:14.660 They broadcast them

00:22:15.840 publicly when

00:22:17.080 they had their fight

00:22:17.880 with between Ben

00:22:18.820 and Candace

00:22:19.580 over Kanye.

00:22:21.160 Jeremy came on here.

00:22:22.160 We talked about

00:22:22.520 the whole thing.

00:22:23.360 I mean,

00:22:23.540 they,

00:22:24.140 they are transparent

00:22:25.120 and they're a really

00:22:26.580 important force

00:22:28.080 for good

00:22:29.100 in America.

00:22:30.620 They're,

00:22:31.100 they're,

00:22:31.360 they're not,

00:22:32.000 you know,

00:22:32.880 big con.

00:22:33.480 They're,

00:22:33.640 they're not big tech.

00:22:34.540 They're not on the side

00:22:35.280 of big tech.

00:22:36.500 However,

00:22:37.020 I'll take Steven's side

00:22:38.060 just for the purposes

00:22:38.640 of this argument

00:22:39.300 because,

00:22:40.000 you know,

00:22:40.160 we want them both

00:22:40.900 represented.

00:22:42.100 He's,

00:22:42.580 his point is

00:22:43.700 there are other ways

00:22:45.780 to make sure

00:22:47.320 you get paid

00:22:48.060 and I get paid

00:22:49.200 as opposed to

00:22:50.400 bending the knee

00:22:51.000 to big tech

00:22:51.560 to,

00:22:52.220 to docking me

00:22:53.200 if YouTube

00:22:54.200 docks me

00:22:55.340 is,

00:22:55.740 that's the Steven's

00:22:56.420 argument.

00:22:56.680 And I will say

00:22:58.720 a subscription model

00:23:00.000 is really the way

00:23:01.240 around that.

00:23:01.800 And the Daily Wire

00:23:02.420 is trying to build both.

00:23:03.600 They have a subscription

00:23:04.220 piece and they have

00:23:05.860 advertising.

00:23:06.460 It's belts and suspenders,

00:23:07.820 which makes sense.

00:23:08.860 I get it.

00:23:09.580 But,

00:23:10.120 you know,

00:23:10.360 I will say here

00:23:11.580 at Sirius,

00:23:12.500 no one's ever said

00:23:13.360 to me

00:23:13.740 if you're,

00:23:14.560 if you get,

00:23:15.160 you know,

00:23:15.940 pinged on YouTube

00:23:16.600 or a show doesn't,

00:23:17.820 if it gets demonetized

00:23:18.900 because you've talked

00:23:19.380 about a third real issue,

00:23:20.820 we're going to dock

00:23:21.660 your pay.

00:23:22.220 Like,

00:23:22.760 no one's ever said

00:23:23.500 that to me

00:23:23.840 and I wouldn't

00:23:24.480 agree to that.

00:23:25.580 So,

00:23:26.480 you know,

00:23:27.000 I see his point too.

00:23:28.240 It's,

00:23:28.340 it's not all like,

00:23:29.840 oh,

00:23:29.920 it's capitalism.

00:23:30.740 There's,

00:23:30.980 there is a way

00:23:31.820 to strike a deal

00:23:33.140 where you do get paid

00:23:35.040 even if you get

00:23:35.560 penalized by big tech

00:23:36.840 and the company's

00:23:38.280 got to find a way

00:23:38.860 to make sure

00:23:39.380 their bottom line

00:23:40.260 is still

00:23:40.700 what it needs to be.

00:23:42.720 Right.

00:23:43.240 So,

00:23:43.660 I don't,

00:23:43.980 I don't necessarily

00:23:44.640 disagree with any of that

00:23:46.080 but I think that

00:23:46.860 this is why,

00:23:47.720 you know,

00:23:48.120 he,

00:23:48.420 he really,

00:23:49.540 he let everyone know

00:23:50.640 what the penalties were

00:23:52.040 but he didn't let anyone

00:23:53.340 know what the number was

00:23:55.100 and this is the point

00:23:56.440 is that it's like,

00:23:57.000 yeah,

00:23:57.120 if you're gonna,

00:23:57.960 like,

00:23:58.160 yeah,

00:23:58.240 there could be other models

00:23:59.260 like that

00:23:59.680 in which case

00:24:00.160 you would probably

00:24:00.640 get a percentage

00:24:01.220 of the subscriptions

00:24:02.000 that you generate

00:24:02.840 and that's,

00:24:03.520 that's fine.

00:24:04.120 I mean,

00:24:04.360 if like,

00:24:05.180 there was an issue

00:24:05.780 where all of a sudden

00:24:07.080 your subscriptions

00:24:07.700 were cut in half

00:24:08.620 then that would have

00:24:09.580 to be reflected

00:24:10.500 in your compensation

00:24:11.800 as well

00:24:12.280 but the point is that

00:24:13.000 they're shelling out

00:24:14.040 50 million bucks

00:24:15.320 on their bet

00:24:17.380 is like,

00:24:17.740 well,

00:24:17.780 here's how we can

00:24:18.400 make money

00:24:18.860 because you got

00:24:19.360 whatever,

00:24:19.720 he's got like

00:24:20.140 7 million YouTube

00:24:21.340 subscribers

00:24:22.360 or something like that.

00:24:23.220 if you lose that,

00:24:24.440 that's going to affect

00:24:25.440 the bottom line.

00:24:26.300 I think no matter

00:24:26.840 what deal you structure,

00:24:29.620 there's just no way

00:24:30.840 where,

00:24:31.620 like,

00:24:32.340 if LeBron,

00:24:34.060 if 70% of the people

00:24:36.000 who watch the NBA

00:24:36.760 stop watching the NBA,

00:24:38.660 LeBron James makes less money.

00:24:40.420 So no matter how

00:24:41.260 you structure that deal.

00:24:41.960 then LeBron James

00:24:42.880 may get fired.

00:24:43.640 I mean,

00:24:43.780 I think,

00:24:44.200 see,

00:24:44.400 I sort of come to this

00:24:45.740 from a different angle

00:24:46.460 because I come to it

00:24:47.620 from cable

00:24:48.220 and broadcast television

00:24:50.380 where they would never

00:24:52.120 dock your pay

00:24:53.240 because your show

00:24:55.140 lost advertisers.

00:24:56.240 Look at Tucker.

00:24:57.240 You know how many

00:24:57.720 advertisers he's lost?

00:24:59.360 They don't dock his pay

00:25:00.500 at Fox

00:25:01.320 and I'm sure

00:25:02.480 his show

00:25:03.320 is not the best

00:25:04.340 earning show

00:25:05.500 when it comes to

00:25:06.200 advertiser money

00:25:07.540 on Fox

00:25:08.500 but Fox too

00:25:09.500 has sort of

00:25:11.200 a dual model.

00:25:12.300 You know,

00:25:12.480 I mean,

00:25:12.780 you have to pay

00:25:13.540 to get Fox News

00:25:14.300 on your cable

00:25:15.320 and that's where

00:25:17.080 they make most

00:25:17.660 of their money

00:25:18.120 like these cable

00:25:18.780 subscription fees

00:25:19.380 and then they get

00:25:20.220 an additional,

00:25:20.940 you know,

00:25:21.300 couple hundred million dollars

00:25:22.300 and who knows

00:25:22.860 per show

00:25:24.160 or whatever

00:25:24.560 in the advertisement fees

00:25:26.520 but like they're never,

00:25:28.180 they're not going to let go

00:25:28.840 of Tucker

00:25:29.320 just because he's getting

00:25:30.600 boycotted.

00:25:32.240 No,

00:25:32.400 that's true.

00:25:33.980 And they're not going

00:25:34.300 to charge him

00:25:35.120 or dock him.

00:25:36.720 Well,

00:25:36.920 but the difference there

00:25:38.020 is that Tucker

00:25:38.700 is still

00:25:39.600 the biggest thing

00:25:41.040 in cable news

00:25:42.120 and he's on Fox News

00:25:43.620 so he still is generating

00:25:45.420 a lot of money

00:25:45.920 with like,

00:25:46.460 you know,

00:25:46.700 the 17 MyPillow commercials

00:25:48.340 or whoever will

00:25:49.120 like advertise

00:25:49.820 during Tucker Carlson's show.

00:25:51.500 Why is that

00:25:52.200 not the same

00:25:52.960 for Crowder

00:25:53.500 at the Daily Wire?

00:25:54.660 Because they're

00:25:55.380 Crowder's huge.

00:25:56.540 Crowder would be

00:25:57.680 by far the biggest thing

00:25:58.740 that they had

00:25:59.280 in terms of YouTube

00:26:00.020 and followers.

00:26:01.360 I mean,

00:26:01.520 Ben's huge too

00:26:02.240 but like Crowder's

00:26:03.240 sort of,

00:26:04.100 it's like Rogan,

00:26:05.340 Crowder,

00:26:06.180 you know,

00:26:06.420 it's huge.

00:26:07.040 He's in a class

00:26:08.040 of maybe one or two.

00:26:09.640 Yeah,

00:26:09.920 absolutely.

00:26:10.660 But the difference here

00:26:11.860 is like if you can get

00:26:12.880 kicked off of YouTube

00:26:14.040 or you can get kicked off

00:26:15.740 even of Apple Pay

00:26:17.900 or whatever,

00:26:18.560 that would almost be

00:26:19.520 like Fox News

00:26:20.260 is in the position

00:26:22.080 where they don't control

00:26:23.140 if Tucker's show

00:26:24.020 is canceled or not.

00:26:25.380 And they're like,

00:26:25.740 oh,

00:26:25.860 if you're canceled

00:26:26.620 and all of a sudden

00:26:27.200 the four million people

00:26:28.080 who are watching you

00:26:28.720 can't watch you anymore,

00:26:30.080 you know what I mean?

00:26:30.580 So there's just like,

00:26:31.280 it's a little bit

00:26:31.880 of an apples to orange

00:26:33.420 in the different models.

00:26:35.040 Look,

00:26:35.580 I think it would have been

00:26:36.540 completely reasonable

00:26:37.480 for Steven Crowder

00:26:38.680 to respond to them

00:26:39.860 and say,

00:26:40.320 I don't like structuring

00:26:41.380 a deal this way

00:26:42.280 or for him to just do

00:26:43.400 what he did

00:26:43.900 and just not agree

00:26:45.120 to the deal

00:26:45.620 and stay independent.

00:26:47.180 I would probably,

00:26:48.880 if I was like giving him advice,

00:26:50.800 which he's not soliciting

00:26:51.660 my advice,

00:26:52.220 but if he was,

00:26:53.060 I'd say,

00:26:53.460 I think you should

00:26:54.040 keep going independent.

00:26:55.180 I think he's going to make

00:26:55.880 a ton of money either way.

00:26:57.080 Yeah,

00:26:57.100 I think he's going to do it.

00:26:59.180 You know,

00:26:59.480 yes,

00:26:59.840 but,

00:27:00.200 and you know,

00:27:00.520 it's good to get diverse.

00:27:02.780 It's good to get diverse voices

00:27:04.080 out there to have them

00:27:05.120 not join forces

00:27:06.020 to be perfectly honest

00:27:06.980 to have,

00:27:07.380 you know,

00:27:07.960 Crowder create his own

00:27:08.800 independent empire

00:27:09.560 and the Daily Wire

00:27:10.180 continue growing its empire.

00:27:12.040 You know,

00:27:12.160 we need more,

00:27:12.880 not fewer.

00:27:13.900 So it's almost like,

00:27:14.760 you kind of don't want

00:27:15.660 to see him merge in a way,

00:27:16.740 but now here's where

00:27:18.040 things went really south

00:27:19.880 and things got

00:27:20.840 extra controversial.

00:27:22.420 So Jeremy came out

00:27:23.420 with his,

00:27:23.920 his half an hour response

00:27:25.220 saying,

00:27:25.720 and Jeremy's,

00:27:26.820 I love Jeremy Boring

00:27:28.020 and I love Crowder

00:27:29.080 and Ben too,

00:27:29.600 but Jeremy's got like

00:27:30.960 this sort of,

00:27:32.160 I don't know,

00:27:32.800 avuncular style sometimes,

00:27:34.120 you know,

00:27:34.900 like he's just sort of likable.

00:27:36.780 I don't know,

00:27:36.960 the way he presents,

00:27:37.860 he's like,

00:27:38.180 oh,

00:27:38.360 we offered him these terms

00:27:39.440 and he's been my friend

00:27:40.500 for a long time

00:27:41.360 and,

00:27:42.140 you know,

00:27:42.320 they weren't acceptable

00:27:43.140 to him

00:27:43.700 and we said,

00:27:44.340 he said,

00:27:45.460 Stephen's agent countered,

00:27:47.000 no,

00:27:47.160 he wants $30 million a year

00:27:48.740 and unless you offer that,

00:27:50.840 we're not going to talk

00:27:51.760 and that the Daily Wire

00:27:53.660 then responded,

00:27:54.880 yeah,

00:27:55.320 we're not going to be able

00:27:55.820 to do that

00:27:56.420 and the next thing they knew,

00:27:59.100 Crowder had submitted this video

00:28:01.560 and,

00:28:02.240 you know,

00:28:02.400 they were like,

00:28:02.800 hey,

00:28:03.300 this is an opener,

00:28:04.260 like we were ready to talk,

00:28:05.500 we wanted to have a negotiation,

00:28:06.680 we didn't get to have it

00:28:07.560 and then Crowder responded

00:28:09.840 by revealing

00:28:10.740 he had taped Jeremy

00:28:12.600 in a conversation

00:28:14.640 that preceded this back and forth

00:28:16.520 but was,

00:28:17.800 I think,

00:28:18.020 in January.

00:28:18.780 Here is Crowder,

00:28:20.100 Sot 17.

00:28:22.240 Bench talent,

00:28:23.080 young talent,

00:28:23.720 they don't get deals like this.

00:28:25.340 So,

00:28:25.440 they don't get deals that

00:28:27.640 they can be wage slaves

00:28:29.040 for a little bit,

00:28:30.120 come over and make a salary

00:28:32.200 and grow their brand.

00:28:33.020 that you then own.

00:28:37.120 Well,

00:28:37.480 I own parts of it,

00:28:38.240 I don't own it,

00:28:38.880 they can,

00:28:39.440 when their contract's up,

00:28:40.300 they can still go out

00:28:40.940 and they'll still be famous,

00:28:42.280 they can keep doing their show,

00:28:43.460 so go do a show somewhere else,

00:28:45.420 they'll be in a far,

00:28:46.100 far,

00:28:46.300 far better place,

00:28:47.100 you help to make them.

00:28:48.900 No,

00:28:49.260 not this contract,

00:28:50.480 this contract owns it

00:28:51.320 in perpetuity

00:28:51.940 even after the contract,

00:28:53.060 you're paying a lease

00:28:53.800 but getting ownership.

00:28:56.060 That's what this contract is.

00:28:57.980 On the content

00:28:58.580 that we paid to produce,

00:28:59.720 yes.

00:29:01.680 So,

00:29:02.100 a couple of things there,

00:29:02.760 Dave,

00:29:03.020 we'll talk about the fact

00:29:04.560 that he taped Jeremy

00:29:05.680 without Jeremy's knowledge

00:29:06.820 in a sec,

00:29:07.480 but just on the business points.

00:29:10.760 So,

00:29:11.980 I think,

00:29:13.340 here's the thing,

00:29:14.300 like I worked for Fox News

00:29:15.360 for,

00:29:16.300 I don't know,

00:29:16.700 how many years was I,

00:29:17.340 for 13 years,

00:29:18.180 14,

00:29:18.540 I don't know,

00:29:19.340 something like that.

00:29:20.220 And,

00:29:20.500 they own every single show

00:29:22.580 I ever did.

00:29:23.380 They own the interviews I did.

00:29:25.080 You know,

00:29:25.640 I don't have the copyright

00:29:26.980 to those shows

00:29:27.760 because they paid to produce them

00:29:29.580 and they paid me a salary

00:29:30.580 to do them

00:29:31.200 but they own the actual material

00:29:32.760 and I don't have

00:29:34.040 an ongoing right to them.

00:29:38.080 Now I do.

00:29:39.300 Now I negotiated a deal

00:29:40.680 and I've been very open

00:29:42.060 about this before

00:29:42.720 and to Sirius' credit,

00:29:44.220 they don't care.

00:29:46.200 All my content's mine.

00:29:47.600 If Sirius and I break up tomorrow,

00:29:48.920 I take the content with me.

00:29:50.140 It's mine.

00:29:51.480 But the only reason

00:29:52.280 I was able to negotiate that deal

00:29:53.480 is because

00:29:53.900 I had already established

00:29:55.100 a name for myself.

00:29:56.040 I came into the negotiation

00:29:58.040 with Bargaining Power

00:29:58.960 and they recognized that

00:30:00.160 and they were cool with it.

00:30:01.660 So,

00:30:02.200 I understand Crowder's principle

00:30:03.900 of like,

00:30:04.580 they're just working for you

00:30:05.660 and they don't have any spoils

00:30:06.820 at the end.

00:30:07.700 But I understand Jeremy's retort

00:30:09.220 which is,

00:30:10.300 we're going to make them.

00:30:11.620 As for the young people

00:30:12.580 who were talking about it,

00:30:13.480 no one knows them.

00:30:15.160 And in his defense,

00:30:15.900 nobody really knew Matt Walsh

00:30:17.480 or Michael Knowles

00:30:19.040 before the Daily Wire

00:30:20.620 really helped grow them

00:30:22.220 with all due respect

00:30:22.820 to those guys.

00:30:24.140 So,

00:30:24.680 he's got a good business point there,

00:30:26.320 Jeremy does.

00:30:27.740 Yeah,

00:30:27.980 and the reason those guys grew

00:30:30.000 is because they did something

00:30:31.240 with the opportunity

00:30:32.360 that a lot of people

00:30:33.340 wanted to watch

00:30:34.120 and they made compelling content

00:30:35.360 and stuff like that.

00:30:36.360 But of course,

00:30:36.880 yeah,

00:30:37.000 they were given an opportunity.

00:30:39.060 They were given a platform

00:30:40.440 that was pre-existing already.

00:30:41.880 I think the example

00:30:42.860 you used of yourself

00:30:43.720 there is perfect.

00:30:44.560 I mean,

00:30:44.760 the reason why

00:30:46.040 you would be in a position

00:30:47.840 where you could say

00:30:49.280 to a big company,

00:30:50.200 hey,

00:30:50.360 I'm going to own

00:30:50.960 all of my content

00:30:51.820 and they're like,

00:30:52.300 okay,

00:30:52.460 well,

00:30:52.600 we still really want

00:30:53.460 to get Megyn Kelly

00:30:54.260 is at least in part

00:30:55.800 because your show

00:30:56.620 was so huge on Fox News

00:30:57.880 that you have a name

00:30:58.580 that people know you

00:30:59.460 that they'll follow you

00:31:00.340 over here.

00:31:01.040 People who maybe

00:31:01.580 didn't have Sirius

00:31:02.560 will go get Sirius

00:31:03.660 because you're on there.

00:31:05.000 You know what I mean?

00:31:05.540 And so,

00:31:06.100 I just think that a lot of times

00:31:07.760 in a lot of different ways,

00:31:09.660 people really don't,

00:31:11.380 I understand.

00:31:12.320 Look,

00:31:12.800 people always feel like

00:31:14.320 they should be paid more

00:31:15.280 and bosses always feel like

00:31:17.440 they should be paying less.

00:31:19.080 Everyone's incentivized

00:31:20.260 to feel that way.

00:31:21.480 But a lot of times,

00:31:23.100 these deals

00:31:23.800 where they may not be perfect,

00:31:25.740 they might be an opportunity.

00:31:27.080 I mean,

00:31:27.280 like,

00:31:27.460 for example,

00:31:28.480 you just use Matt Walsh.

00:31:30.200 If Matt Walsh were to leave

00:31:31.580 now,

00:31:33.680 he's huge.

00:31:35.180 He can go do

00:31:35.800 whatever he wants to do next.

00:31:37.340 He'll have a big audience

00:31:38.340 that will come with him.

00:31:39.380 But that's in part

00:31:40.920 because of working

00:31:42.340 with this company.

00:31:43.640 And in part because

00:31:44.800 he made content

00:31:46.580 that people enjoy.

00:31:47.920 But so I think

00:31:48.440 there's just a lot of

00:31:49.400 stuff to that.

00:31:51.200 You know,

00:31:51.420 I mean,

00:31:52.320 Stephen Crowder has worked for,

00:31:54.240 he worked for Fox News

00:31:55.260 for a while.

00:31:55.920 He worked with The Blaze

00:31:56.780 for a while.

00:31:57.500 I mean,

00:31:57.860 he's benefited

00:31:58.520 from all of that stuff.

00:31:59.880 He also benefited

00:32:00.580 because he put out

00:32:01.300 content people love.

00:32:02.880 But I just,

00:32:03.960 I don't think,

00:32:05.400 I thought,

00:32:06.380 again,

00:32:06.620 it was just really dishonest

00:32:07.740 of Stephen Crowder,

00:32:08.540 especially,

00:32:09.140 he played that,

00:32:09.920 the wage slavery line.

00:32:12.680 And he played it

00:32:13.760 like over and over again.

00:32:15.020 But I thought

00:32:15.640 that was pretty clearly

00:32:16.660 a joke.

00:32:18.520 He was even laughing

00:32:19.840 as he was saying it

00:32:21.120 because I thought,

00:32:22.720 like,

00:32:22.940 I was under the impression

00:32:23.660 that we didn't believe

00:32:24.440 in that term,

00:32:25.360 wage slave.

00:32:28.160 You know,

00:32:28.700 like,

00:32:28.900 I thought that was

00:32:29.880 a dumb lefty term.

00:32:31.660 Well,

00:32:31.700 people were mad

00:32:32.260 that he was saying that

00:32:33.860 and then it came out

00:32:35.080 that he was offered

00:32:35.820 a $50 million deal,

00:32:37.000 which,

00:32:37.520 you know,

00:32:38.020 again,

00:32:38.620 I agree.

00:32:39.780 I recognize

00:32:40.360 it wasn't exactly $50 million

00:32:41.660 because he would have

00:32:42.120 had a lot to pay

00:32:42.920 and he would have had

00:32:43.580 a lot of risk in there.

00:32:45.600 And listen,

00:32:46.240 he's worth that.

00:32:47.340 I mean,

00:32:47.520 he's definitely worth that.

00:32:48.680 I think he's worth

00:32:50.020 more than that.

00:32:50.960 But again,

00:32:51.420 Jeremy was saying

00:32:51.920 it's just a starter.

00:32:53.500 By the way,

00:32:54.000 it's a great thing overall.

00:32:55.280 And I wish he hadn't

00:32:56.040 taped Jeremy.

00:32:56.720 I really wish he hadn't

00:32:57.400 taped Jeremy.

00:32:57.840 Jeremy,

00:32:58.100 I really think he's

00:32:59.300 such a straight shooter.

00:33:00.440 He would have totally

00:33:01.140 listened to Stephen

00:33:01.780 if Stephen had called him

00:33:02.600 back and been like,

00:33:03.420 this is a douchebag offer

00:33:04.580 and here are all the reasons

00:33:05.400 why.

00:33:06.140 I feel like they would

00:33:06.840 have had a good talk.

00:33:07.500 They could have landed

00:33:08.020 something really great.

00:33:09.580 But I also believe,

00:33:11.020 Dave,

00:33:11.240 everything works out

00:33:11.940 the way it should.

00:33:12.880 You know,

00:33:13.940 Crowder should build

00:33:14.980 his own empire

00:33:15.660 and he should hire

00:33:17.000 young talent

00:33:17.720 and he should give them

00:33:18.920 the terms that he's

00:33:19.760 talking about

00:33:20.160 and see if we could

00:33:20.900 create an ecosphere

00:33:22.240 where that happens.

00:33:23.800 You know,

00:33:24.240 where you don't,

00:33:25.240 as the platform,

00:33:26.500 say,

00:33:27.080 I'm going to have

00:33:27.500 certain advantages

00:33:28.180 while I help build you.

00:33:29.540 Let's see what happens there.

00:33:31.100 Let's have lots of options

00:33:32.220 for young conservative voices

00:33:33.660 or just independent voices

00:33:35.460 to go to

00:33:37.380 as opposed to just

00:33:38.340 like one thing

00:33:39.340 like Fox News,

00:33:40.820 Fox Nation.

00:33:41.520 And I love Daily Wire,

00:33:43.040 but we need more

00:33:43.580 than Daily Wire,

00:33:44.300 right?

00:33:44.480 Like we need anyway.

00:33:45.520 So hopefully this is

00:33:46.240 a land where it should.

00:33:47.360 I predict they're going

00:33:48.220 to make up.

00:33:49.040 I think Jeremy's sweet,

00:33:51.440 probably Ben's madder

00:33:52.760 than Jeremy

00:33:53.240 because it's like his friend

00:33:54.340 who got burned

00:33:55.080 and Crowder's sweet too.

00:33:57.700 And so I feel like

00:33:58.320 in the end,

00:33:59.460 it's going to land.

00:34:00.000 I'll,

00:34:00.280 I'm volunteering to moderate.

00:34:02.300 I'll moderate.

00:34:03.040 I'll mediate.

00:34:03.700 I'll do what I have to do.

00:34:05.200 It could,

00:34:05.860 yeah,

00:34:06.060 they can come on the show.

00:34:06.760 We can have a great debate

00:34:08.040 right here.

00:34:08.980 Literally everybody

00:34:09.660 in the conservative ecosphere

00:34:11.020 would watch that.

00:34:12.380 That would be great.

00:34:13.400 That would be great

00:34:14.200 to watch.

00:34:15.820 Well,

00:34:16.360 they'd be hard pressed

00:34:17.260 to find somebody

00:34:17.920 who actually

00:34:18.440 loves them both

00:34:20.160 as much as I do.

00:34:21.400 In any event,

00:34:22.200 look,

00:34:22.660 we'll pick it up

00:34:23.300 after this debate

00:34:23.800 because there's much,

00:34:24.320 much more going on

00:34:24.960 in the media.

00:34:25.580 Most of it not good.

00:34:26.480 And my favorite story

00:34:27.360 of the day yet to come,

00:34:29.040 Hilaria Baldwin

00:34:30.100 is at it again.

00:34:31.940 Yes,

00:34:32.280 the girl from Boston.

00:34:33.660 Is that Spanish?

00:34:34.300 Am I trying to,

00:34:34.980 am I,

00:34:35.180 do I sound Spanish?

00:34:35.800 I'm trying to imitate Hilaria

00:34:37.240 doing her Spanish accent.

00:34:38.880 You see,

00:34:39.720 that's more Italian.

00:34:40.720 Stand by.

00:34:41.520 I'll explain what's happening.

00:34:46.240 So Dave,

00:34:47.240 this is my favorite story.

00:34:48.920 It's as if

00:34:49.720 if you wish

00:34:50.440 for something

00:34:50.860 to come back

00:34:51.440 in the news cycle

00:34:52.240 hard enough,

00:34:53.040 you get it.

00:34:54.060 It'll happen.

00:34:56.900 So I understand

00:34:58.660 that the Alec Baldwin

00:34:59.760 family is going

00:35:00.760 through a lot

00:35:01.300 right now.

00:35:02.120 Okay,

00:35:02.760 I got it.

00:35:03.820 And his wife,

00:35:05.540 she didn't

00:35:06.520 shoot anybody.

00:35:07.580 So it's always hard

00:35:08.640 when you're the spouse

00:35:09.500 and your public figure spouse

00:35:11.820 is going through

00:35:12.360 something rough.

00:35:13.120 And I also

00:35:14.300 very much sympathize

00:35:16.000 with

00:35:16.420 not wanting

00:35:17.940 paparazzi there

00:35:19.140 following you

00:35:20.440 as you drop

00:35:21.040 your kids off

00:35:21.600 at school.

00:35:23.080 That too

00:35:23.880 has angered me

00:35:24.800 and I'm

00:35:25.380 pretty much

00:35:25.980 very defensive

00:35:27.180 of like

00:35:27.700 the media's right

00:35:28.340 to take pictures

00:35:28.940 and write negative

00:35:29.720 things about you.

00:35:30.720 But following

00:35:32.080 a young mother

00:35:32.960 dropping off

00:35:33.680 kids at school

00:35:34.400 is bullshit.

00:35:35.800 All right,

00:35:35.980 that should not happen.

00:35:37.040 It's confusing

00:35:37.700 for the kids.

00:35:38.260 You can get them

00:35:38.560 on camera.

00:35:39.220 It's confusing

00:35:39.860 for the other kids

00:35:40.540 they go to school

00:35:41.040 with.

00:35:41.380 They don't deserve

00:35:42.240 to be on camera.

00:35:43.120 All that.

00:35:44.260 However,

00:35:44.620 that's not what

00:35:45.140 this story is about.

00:35:46.440 It is about

00:35:47.240 Hillary.

00:35:49.520 Hillary,

00:35:50.200 Hillary.

00:35:50.760 Wait,

00:35:50.960 let me find her

00:35:51.540 actual what pages

00:35:52.680 of this on

00:35:53.220 to my team

00:35:53.960 because it's about

00:35:55.500 this woman

00:35:55.980 who is not

00:35:56.640 actually named

00:35:57.540 Hilaria.

00:35:59.240 It is about

00:35:59.860 a woman

00:36:00.160 whose name

00:36:00.540 is Hillary

00:36:01.000 Lynn Hayward

00:36:02.420 Thomas

00:36:03.140 masquerading

00:36:04.760 as Hilaria

00:36:05.980 once again

00:36:07.340 pretending

00:36:08.180 to be from

00:36:09.280 Spain,

00:36:09.780 which she's not

00:36:11.320 and she's

00:36:12.040 already gotten

00:36:12.960 in trouble

00:36:13.380 for doing this.

00:36:14.400 You tell me

00:36:14.940 why this girl

00:36:15.540 from Boston,

00:36:16.480 Mass,

00:36:16.980 who went to

00:36:17.760 a Tony private

00:36:18.680 school in

00:36:19.220 Weston,

00:36:19.740 Massachusetts,

00:36:20.480 which literally

00:36:21.500 is one of the

00:36:22.060 nicest suburbs

00:36:22.660 you've ever seen

00:36:23.520 in your life.

00:36:24.280 the daughter

00:36:25.540 of I think

00:36:25.960 a chiropractor

00:36:26.900 and somebody

00:36:27.820 is pretending

00:36:29.440 to be from

00:36:30.820 Spain.

00:36:31.500 Here she is

00:36:31.960 again.

00:36:32.500 Listen to the

00:36:33.020 accent all the

00:36:33.640 way through.

00:36:33.960 I want you guys

00:36:36.500 to realize

00:36:37.400 that we have

00:36:37.860 seven kids

00:36:38.360 and you

00:36:39.680 being here

00:36:40.640 to escort

00:36:43.060 them to school

00:36:43.660 and to be there

00:36:45.180 when they come

00:36:45.560 home is not

00:36:46.580 good.

00:36:47.620 So on a human

00:36:48.320 level,

00:36:48.860 you guys know

00:36:49.560 I'm not going

00:36:50.580 to say anything

00:36:51.120 to you.

00:36:51.900 You know

00:36:52.360 that.

00:36:53.200 So please

00:36:54.140 leave my family

00:36:56.100 in peace

00:36:56.800 and let this

00:36:57.980 all play out.

00:36:58.700 OK,

00:36:59.800 so let my

00:37:01.260 kids come

00:37:01.740 home and you

00:37:03.060 stay away from

00:37:03.660 them because

00:37:04.400 they asked me

00:37:05.240 mommy,

00:37:06.260 what like

00:37:07.720 what are these

00:37:08.620 people doing?

00:37:09.900 And it's a very

00:37:10.760 hard thing as a

00:37:11.440 mom to try to

00:37:12.040 explain.

00:37:12.720 So please

00:37:13.360 go home

00:37:14.560 because I'm not

00:37:15.540 going to say

00:37:15.920 anything and

00:37:16.760 Alec is not

00:37:17.280 going to say

00:37:17.680 anything.

00:37:18.680 Oh my God,

00:37:19.640 Dave.

00:37:21.340 Why?

00:37:22.740 I mean,

00:37:23.180 I'll tell you,

00:37:23.900 I would have

00:37:24.780 bought it.

00:37:25.700 I'm not real

00:37:26.100 great at recognizing

00:37:26.920 accents.

00:37:27.700 So I would have

00:37:28.100 just been like,

00:37:28.560 clearly there's a

00:37:29.300 Spanish woman

00:37:29.880 right here.

00:37:30.480 I don't know

00:37:30.920 what that meant.

00:37:32.200 I suppose this

00:37:33.240 is her.

00:37:34.000 This is her

00:37:34.680 identity.

00:37:35.300 Who are we to

00:37:35.840 say that she

00:37:36.280 can't identify

00:37:36.900 as a as a

00:37:38.040 person born

00:37:38.680 and raised in

00:37:39.260 Spain?

00:37:40.080 She cannot.

00:37:40.920 I am the

00:37:41.700 person.

00:37:42.220 I am.

00:37:42.740 I am the

00:37:43.240 person.

00:37:43.620 I am somebody

00:37:44.220 to say it.

00:37:45.000 It, of course,

00:37:45.740 reminds us all

00:37:46.360 of when she

00:37:46.680 originally got in

00:37:47.220 trouble for this

00:37:47.900 back.

00:37:49.440 People resurfaced

00:37:50.420 this clip from

00:37:51.120 the Today Show

00:37:51.680 circa 2015

00:37:52.860 where she

00:37:53.620 leaned all in.

00:37:55.440 This is

00:37:55.640 SOT 11.

00:37:56.060 We have

00:37:57.880 very few

00:37:58.480 ingredients.

00:37:59.080 We have

00:37:59.300 tomatoes.

00:38:00.540 We have

00:38:01.020 cucumbers.

00:38:05.380 How do you

00:38:06.340 say it?

00:38:07.860 Dave, she is

00:38:09.680 as American as

00:38:10.880 we are.

00:38:12.020 They don't get a

00:38:12.840 lot of cucumbers

00:38:13.420 in Boston.

00:38:14.220 She probably

00:38:14.580 just isn't sure

00:38:15.260 what she's like.

00:38:16.060 I don't know

00:38:16.360 what this thing

00:38:16.900 is.

00:38:17.860 How you say

00:38:18.300 how you say

00:38:18.740 now it is a

00:38:19.600 lie that she

00:38:20.260 not only

00:38:20.660 perpetrated,

00:38:21.260 but Alec Baldwin

00:38:21.920 perpetrated as

00:38:22.680 well.

00:38:22.840 Here he was

00:38:23.640 a couple

00:38:24.140 years before

00:38:24.700 that last

00:38:25.220 clip I played

00:38:25.880 on with

00:38:26.700 Letterman

00:38:27.600 talking about

00:38:29.020 Hilaria.

00:38:30.380 I mean,

00:38:30.940 Hillary Lynn

00:38:31.660 Hayward Thomas.

00:38:32.840 Listen.

00:38:34.560 My wife's on

00:38:35.160 the phone with

00:38:35.540 her hairdresser

00:38:36.360 or a friend.

00:38:36.900 She's like,

00:38:37.160 really?

00:38:37.800 OK, I can't

00:38:38.520 wait to see you.

00:38:39.020 That's going

00:38:39.260 to be great.

00:38:39.840 Fantastic.

00:38:40.280 What time?

00:38:40.700 12 o'clock?

00:38:41.360 My wife is

00:38:41.720 from Spain.

00:38:42.520 And she said,

00:38:43.280 no,

00:38:43.940 I don't mean

00:38:45.540 to be racist

00:38:45.980 when I put

00:38:46.360 that accent

00:38:46.740 on there,

00:38:46.980 by the way.

00:38:48.880 No, she's

00:38:49.660 not from Spain.

00:38:50.460 Is she racist

00:38:51.160 when she puts

00:38:51.660 that accent

00:38:52.060 on there?

00:38:52.420 Because she

00:38:52.700 also is not

00:38:53.260 from Spain.

00:38:54.500 The thing

00:38:55.020 about it is

00:38:55.460 it's just

00:38:55.760 so bizarre.

00:38:57.240 Even with

00:38:58.240 that Rachel

00:38:59.300 Dolezal

00:38:59.960 lady,

00:39:00.720 you could

00:39:01.000 kind of

00:39:01.640 understand.

00:39:02.680 There are

00:39:03.080 affirmative action

00:39:03.860 programs and

00:39:04.540 things like that.

00:39:05.280 You could

00:39:05.540 understand,

00:39:05.980 OK, maybe

00:39:06.400 she's trying

00:39:07.020 to get

00:39:07.520 something out

00:39:08.440 of this.

00:39:09.100 But what

00:39:09.520 would the

00:39:10.680 benefit of

00:39:11.360 this be?

00:39:12.860 Oh, come

00:39:13.860 on.

00:39:14.220 You're exotic.

00:39:14.800 It's not

00:39:16.120 cool to be

00:39:17.180 just like

00:39:17.660 the boring

00:39:18.260 white girl

00:39:18.980 from the

00:39:19.480 rich suburb

00:39:20.200 of Boston.

00:39:21.440 It's much

00:39:21.800 cooler to be

00:39:22.660 like exotic.

00:39:23.620 I'm from Spain.

00:39:24.480 I have the

00:39:25.500 fire of somebody

00:39:26.460 who is a

00:39:26.860 Spaniard.

00:39:27.580 I bring the

00:39:28.360 heat to

00:39:28.760 every conversation.

00:39:29.840 I cannot

00:39:30.140 say cucumber.

00:39:31.400 Right?

00:39:31.580 Like that.

00:39:32.120 That is more

00:39:33.120 exciting.

00:39:33.440 OK, fine.

00:39:34.160 Fine.

00:39:34.520 You're right.

00:39:35.120 That is

00:39:35.700 cooler than

00:39:36.580 being the

00:39:37.220 rich white girl

00:39:37.740 from the

00:39:38.120 suburbs.

00:39:38.580 But what's

00:39:38.920 less cool

00:39:39.640 than being

00:39:40.160 the rich white

00:39:40.800 girl from the

00:39:41.440 suburbs is being

00:39:42.220 the rich white

00:39:42.780 girl from the

00:39:43.320 suburbs pretending

00:39:44.300 to be a

00:39:45.320 Spanish woman

00:39:46.260 when everyone

00:39:46.980 knows she's

00:39:47.640 not.

00:39:48.420 That's the

00:39:48.820 least cool

00:39:49.360 option you

00:39:49.980 have.

00:39:51.660 She didn't

00:39:52.460 know.

00:39:52.920 See, that's

00:39:53.300 why you could

00:39:53.640 excuse the

00:39:54.280 first attempts,

00:39:55.160 the one

00:39:55.440 cucumber.

00:39:56.080 You could

00:39:56.300 excuse that.

00:39:57.160 It was still

00:39:57.740 a fraud.

00:39:58.820 You know, she

00:39:59.060 was perpetrating

00:39:59.760 it.

00:40:00.360 Alec was going

00:40:00.980 along with it.

00:40:01.620 We were all

00:40:02.020 buying into

00:40:02.560 the, oh, he

00:40:03.040 married some

00:40:03.420 girl from

00:40:03.780 Spain.

00:40:04.320 Now she's

00:40:04.940 been outed.

00:40:05.720 Now they had

00:40:06.340 interviews after

00:40:07.060 that whole

00:40:07.400 scandal a couple

00:40:07.980 years ago with

00:40:08.880 her high school

00:40:09.780 friends.

00:40:10.500 Like, what do you

00:40:10.800 believe she was

00:40:11.160 like played the

00:40:11.660 clarinet here at

00:40:12.960 Western high

00:40:13.820 school, whatever

00:40:14.220 it was.

00:40:14.900 And she's still

00:40:16.280 doing it.

00:40:16.940 My only

00:40:17.440 conclusion was, is

00:40:18.700 it like a

00:40:19.180 nervous tick?

00:40:20.280 You know, like

00:40:20.640 she did it for

00:40:21.380 so long that

00:40:22.100 now when she's

00:40:23.060 in front of the

00:40:23.460 cameras and

00:40:24.020 like something

00:40:24.500 bad's happening,

00:40:25.500 she's got to

00:40:26.040 go back to her

00:40:26.640 native tongue.

00:40:27.460 The thing that

00:40:28.220 makes her feel

00:40:28.680 better about her

00:40:29.980 the stress in

00:40:30.660 her life.

00:40:31.660 Maybe she's

00:40:32.420 just she's

00:40:33.320 like become

00:40:34.200 the lie.

00:40:35.000 Like maybe

00:40:35.620 she's just been

00:40:36.180 doing it so

00:40:36.740 long that now

00:40:37.200 she really

00:40:37.600 believes she's

00:40:38.360 from Spain.

00:40:38.940 Like she doesn't

00:40:39.700 even know what's

00:40:40.620 what anymore.

00:40:42.100 Yes.

00:40:43.000 Oh, wait.

00:40:43.620 OK, so that I'm

00:40:44.380 going to parlay that

00:40:44.900 in a minute into

00:40:45.420 something good.

00:40:46.080 But before we

00:40:47.000 leave in the area,

00:40:48.560 one of the great

00:40:50.180 things about this

00:40:50.880 story and stories

00:40:51.860 like it is they

00:40:52.500 always produce

00:40:53.340 wonderful memes

00:40:55.000 and like

00:40:56.660 tick tock videos

00:40:57.820 tick tock.

00:40:58.680 We always rip on

00:40:59.260 tick tock because,

00:41:00.200 you know, for all

00:41:00.560 the obvious reasons,

00:41:01.180 but it does have a

00:41:02.120 lot of great videos

00:41:03.280 and funny moments

00:41:04.220 on it.

00:41:04.540 And that leads

00:41:06.280 me to this.

00:41:07.880 My team is going

00:41:08.640 to tell me who

00:41:09.160 did this because I

00:41:09.920 fell in love with

00:41:10.520 her when I saw it.

00:41:11.940 And I'll tell you

00:41:12.960 on the outs on the

00:41:13.600 other side of this

00:41:14.160 clip.

00:41:14.540 Here's fake

00:41:15.380 Hilaria in a little

00:41:17.640 comedy bit we found.

00:41:18.480 I grew up in Spain.

00:41:21.720 OK.

00:41:24.240 OK.

00:41:27.400 Hey, Bob.

00:41:30.120 Anyways, my

00:41:31.860 children, they are

00:41:33.160 not OK.

00:41:34.260 OK.

00:41:34.880 You guys here.

00:41:35.840 You be here.

00:41:36.460 You always here.

00:41:37.500 Oh, yeah.

00:41:38.100 Santa Maria.

00:41:39.640 OK.

00:41:40.200 Hey, John.

00:41:44.160 It's not OK.

00:41:46.160 OK.

00:41:47.020 How you say

00:41:48.180 cucumber.

00:41:49.760 OK.

00:41:50.980 Now, you don't be

00:41:51.880 here.

00:41:52.340 You go home to

00:41:53.020 your families.

00:41:54.540 OK.

00:41:55.880 Good day, mate.

00:42:00.200 The marvelous

00:42:01.280 Miss Chanel.

00:42:02.700 I think that's what

00:42:03.280 they said.

00:42:03.680 She's very talented.

00:42:05.280 Sasha Stone.

00:42:05.920 Thank you for that.

00:42:06.980 Heads up on Twitter.

00:42:08.120 So great.

00:42:09.220 As a comedian,

00:42:09.880 you got to appreciate

00:42:10.540 that.

00:42:11.840 Yeah, it's yeah.

00:42:13.060 The Internet.

00:42:13.880 The Internet is

00:42:14.500 really just for

00:42:15.840 the like memes

00:42:17.200 and stuff like

00:42:18.160 that.

00:42:18.480 The genius of the

00:42:19.440 Internet is never

00:42:20.160 paralleled.

00:42:21.720 Well, you know, it's

00:42:22.060 also just I mean, the

00:42:22.940 way great comedians

00:42:23.840 do.

00:42:24.900 It's pointing out

00:42:25.700 something you've

00:42:26.300 recognized in your

00:42:27.120 own head, but you

00:42:27.840 haven't been able to

00:42:28.540 really put a voice

00:42:29.400 to, which is

00:42:30.340 Hilaria does not

00:42:31.680 always sound like

00:42:32.360 that.

00:42:32.940 Hilaria has given

00:42:33.740 plenty of interviews

00:42:34.860 where she sounds just

00:42:35.760 like I sound right

00:42:36.660 now.

00:42:37.160 And then every once in

00:42:38.200 a while she slips

00:42:38.920 into her fake Spanish

00:42:40.080 accent.

00:42:40.640 So like she's doing

00:42:41.480 the Aussie accent,

00:42:42.980 whatever.

00:42:44.260 That's exactly what

00:42:45.120 this woman's doing.

00:42:46.420 So I don't know what

00:42:46.980 kind of attempted

00:42:47.560 fraud it is or if

00:42:48.680 it's just like a

00:42:50.220 not well person.

00:42:51.780 Did you ever see,

00:42:52.680 by the way, another

00:42:53.360 Hillary, but you

00:42:54.180 ever see like those

00:42:54.900 video compilations of

00:42:55.900 the different voices

00:42:56.680 Hillary Clinton's had

00:42:57.720 through the years at

00:42:58.540 like different campaign

00:42:59.520 stops and different

00:43:00.380 periods in her life?

00:43:01.360 Like when she was

00:43:02.160 first lady, she was

00:43:03.200 like a Southern

00:43:03.800 bell.

00:43:04.460 And then when she

00:43:05.080 was a New York

00:43:05.640 senator, she's like

00:43:06.560 talking like a New

00:43:07.420 Yorker.

00:43:08.060 And then she goes to

00:43:08.560 like a black Baptist

00:43:09.480 church or something.

00:43:10.420 And she's all

00:43:11.020 like, y'all know

00:43:11.880 me.

00:43:13.260 It's like, what

00:43:14.360 has happened?

00:43:15.200 How do these people

00:43:15.840 do this?

00:43:16.360 How do you like, how

00:43:17.380 do you, how do you

00:43:17.820 constantly perform?

00:43:19.280 It's so bizarre.

00:43:21.120 Well, remember when

00:43:21.700 Madonna moved to

00:43:23.020 England when she

00:43:23.940 married, I can't

00:43:25.320 remember his name,

00:43:26.140 the British guy, the

00:43:27.400 filmmaker, Guy

00:43:28.320 Richie.

00:43:28.920 And for like three

00:43:30.300 years and she came

00:43:31.360 back with a British

00:43:32.200 accent as if moving

00:43:34.260 to England as an

00:43:35.520 adult gives you a

00:43:36.920 British accent after

00:43:37.740 three years.

00:43:38.520 What a lie.

00:43:39.080 Yeah, so weird.

00:43:41.240 So weird.

00:43:41.860 I don't understand

00:43:42.520 how these people

00:43:43.480 like what the

00:43:44.960 thought process is.

00:43:46.160 It's embarrassing.

00:43:47.260 I again, it goes

00:43:48.340 back to wanting to

00:43:49.220 seem cooler than you

00:43:50.060 are.

00:43:50.440 It's like Hilaria.

00:43:52.220 I guess she really

00:43:53.140 wants a career as

00:43:54.500 something more than a

00:43:55.240 yoga instructor and

00:43:56.800 feels the need to

00:43:57.480 glom on to something

00:43:58.480 exciting, exotic,

00:43:59.520 whatever.

00:44:00.320 I mean, we saw it

00:44:00.980 like Gwen Stefani

00:44:02.200 got ripped last week

00:44:03.180 because she said, I'm

00:44:04.000 really I'm Japanese.

00:44:05.200 She wasn't trying to

00:44:05.840 say she's actually

00:44:06.680 Japanese, but like it's

00:44:08.280 boring to just be

00:44:09.180 like this girl from

00:44:10.180 America who's got,

00:44:11.420 you know, I guess

00:44:12.040 nothing going on other

00:44:13.640 than you're a

00:44:14.020 multimillionaire and

00:44:14.760 you make hugely

00:44:15.360 famous songs and

00:44:16.660 perfumes.

00:44:17.160 I guess even in her

00:44:18.120 situation, you need to

00:44:19.400 make yourself more

00:44:20.100 interesting.

00:44:22.120 Yeah, you'd think

00:44:22.680 that would be enough,

00:44:23.480 but I imagine maybe

00:44:26.000 the part of the

00:44:27.340 attraction of being

00:44:28.360 married to Alec Baldwin

00:44:30.200 was like, well, I'll be

00:44:31.360 kind of in the public

00:44:32.320 eye now.

00:44:33.560 And that's and she's

00:44:34.420 kind of like, you

00:44:35.380 know, just enjoying

00:44:36.120 this moment of

00:44:37.180 getting extra

00:44:37.900 attention.

00:44:38.220 So why not play

00:44:39.140 it up and do a

00:44:39.880 whole cool thing?

00:44:41.540 I there's just it's

00:44:43.060 not I can understand

00:44:44.380 wanting to be cool.

00:44:46.100 I can understand

00:44:46.540 wanting the attention,

00:44:47.640 but there's a real

00:44:48.800 like soci like

00:44:50.660 sociopathic tendency

00:44:52.220 to just be willing to

00:44:53.920 be so dishonest in

00:44:56.020 order to get that.

00:44:58.020 And honestly, to

00:44:59.800 know that society will

00:45:00.980 allow it for the most

00:45:01.880 part, like they'll

00:45:02.420 cooperate, that they

00:45:03.360 also like those kinds

00:45:04.360 of things like I

00:45:05.360 don't know how Larry

00:45:06.340 got got caught the

00:45:08.120 first time.

00:45:08.520 I can't remember how

00:45:09.380 again, Hillary Lynn

00:45:10.800 Hayward Thomas managed

00:45:11.900 to fool us for so many

00:45:12.900 years that she was

00:45:13.600 in Larry.

00:45:15.160 But normally society

00:45:16.800 kind of plays along,

00:45:17.840 you know, like I I

00:45:18.680 don't know.

00:45:19.640 They're willing to let

00:45:20.640 you lean into your

00:45:21.880 claimed identity in

00:45:23.600 certain lanes.

00:45:24.220 You can't pretend

00:45:24.700 you're black.

00:45:25.540 You can certainly

00:45:25.960 pretend you're a man

00:45:26.680 or a woman when

00:45:27.260 you're not.

00:45:28.480 And I don't just

00:45:29.800 like some Bridget

00:45:31.640 Phetasy came on once

00:45:32.500 and said, hate the

00:45:33.140 game, not the player.

00:45:34.460 And I was reminded

00:45:35.440 of it, you know,

00:45:36.380 when I look back at

00:45:37.140 the origins of

00:45:38.000 Hilaria and also

00:45:39.020 when I looked at the

00:45:39.620 fact that Kim

00:45:40.040 Kardashian spoke at

00:45:40.940 Harvard Business

00:45:41.420 School this weekend.

00:45:43.100 Yeah, there you go.

00:45:44.740 Well, it's there.

00:45:46.580 Look, by the I

00:45:48.520 mean, I know this

00:45:49.000 just becomes like a

00:45:49.740 silly joke like I

00:45:50.600 was making at the

00:45:51.200 at the beginning,

00:45:51.880 like, oh, she can

00:45:52.400 identify this.

00:45:53.180 But by the logic

00:45:54.520 of the trans

00:45:56.820 argument, it

00:45:58.280 doesn't seem

00:45:59.280 obvious to me

00:46:00.900 why you

00:46:02.500 shouldn't just be

00:46:03.300 able to identify

00:46:04.200 as whatever you

00:46:05.080 want to.

00:46:06.180 Like why if we're

00:46:07.520 just saying that

00:46:08.300 biological constraints

00:46:09.660 don't matter and

00:46:11.380 objective reality

00:46:12.420 doesn't matter and

00:46:13.220 whatever you feel is

00:46:15.000 now somehow the

00:46:16.240 arbiter of truth,

00:46:17.420 then why can't you

00:46:19.420 identify as a

00:46:21.060 different race, a

00:46:21.760 different species, a

00:46:22.760 different nationality,

00:46:24.820 an inanimate object?

00:46:26.320 I mean, I don't know.

00:46:27.840 It's weird.

00:46:28.660 We've come to such a

00:46:29.740 weird point already

00:46:31.000 as a society and

00:46:32.160 what we accept that

00:46:33.280 it's almost like,

00:46:33.880 well, why wouldn't we

00:46:34.740 accept all of this?

00:46:37.000 And honestly, it's

00:46:37.560 like, well, is it

00:46:38.280 maybe because you're

00:46:39.900 allowed to do it as

00:46:40.700 long as you're not

00:46:41.180 co-opting somebody or

00:46:43.080 something that's in a

00:46:43.760 protected class?

00:46:44.660 Well, that can't be

00:46:45.520 true because women are

00:46:46.420 in a protected class,

00:46:47.460 but you can't say you

00:46:49.380 identify as black if

00:46:50.300 you're not.

00:46:50.660 You can't say I

00:46:51.420 identify as disabled

00:46:52.680 if you're not.

00:46:54.600 Nobody that I know of

00:46:55.680 would say I identify

00:46:56.800 as an elderly person,

00:46:58.300 you know, a senior

00:46:59.540 with special rights

00:47:00.620 when you're not.

00:47:01.800 Like, there are

00:47:02.200 certain things you

00:47:02.760 can't touch.

00:47:03.760 But sure, women, I

00:47:04.700 mean, we're always

00:47:05.580 fair game.

00:47:06.160 You can come over

00:47:07.180 in our lane, you

00:47:07.680 can co-opt our

00:47:08.500 personal spaces, and

00:47:09.960 boy, do we have an

00:47:10.540 update for you on

00:47:11.620 that and what, I

00:47:12.740 mean, that YMCA case,

00:47:14.140 which we'll get to

00:47:14.560 in just a little bit.

00:47:15.580 All right, now I'm

00:47:16.040 going to tie in this

00:47:16.820 voice conversation with

00:47:18.360 the news that broke

00:47:19.860 over the weekend

00:47:20.340 about Elizabeth Holmes.

00:47:22.720 Do not trust women

00:47:24.160 who falsely

00:47:25.360 manipulate their

00:47:26.200 voice, either to

00:47:27.040 create a fake

00:47:27.640 accent or a fake

00:47:29.140 deep, deep timber.

00:47:31.340 She's heading for

00:47:32.180 jail, but boy,

00:47:33.080 guess what, Dave?

00:47:33.940 She tried not to,

00:47:35.120 according to the

00:47:36.340 prosecutors.

00:47:36.960 Stand by for that.

00:47:38.640 Now streaming on

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00:47:41.320 Someone is trying to

00:47:42.440 frame us.

00:47:43.740 Until our names are

00:47:44.740 cleared.

00:47:46.180 We're fugitives

00:47:46.880 from interval.

00:47:47.960 Like Bonnie and

00:47:48.680 Clyde with better

00:47:49.540 snacks.

00:47:51.380 Espionage?

00:47:52.000 You still as good

00:47:52.680 a shot as you used

00:47:53.520 to be?

00:47:55.360 Better.

00:47:55.820 Is there love

00:47:56.620 language?

00:47:57.300 We like to walk

00:47:57.900 that fine line

00:47:58.620 between techno

00:47:59.360 thriller and

00:48:01.180 romantic comedy.

00:48:02.580 We make up our

00:48:03.260 own rules.

00:48:04.380 NCIS Tony and

00:48:05.480 Ziva, now

00:48:06.380 streaming on

00:48:06.980 Paramount Plus.

00:48:11.880 Speaking of women

00:48:12.760 who do fake voices,

00:48:14.420 Elizabeth Holmes,

00:48:15.420 we would be remiss

00:48:16.260 if we did not

00:48:16.860 mention her in a

00:48:17.560 context like that.

00:48:19.880 News that jumped

00:48:20.820 out at me this

00:48:21.380 weekend that I

00:48:21.940 couldn't believe

00:48:22.720 but kind of can

00:48:23.380 believe, but

00:48:23.980 wow, court

00:48:25.560 documents filed

00:48:26.520 last week,

00:48:27.780 Thursday, reveal

00:48:29.320 that prosecutors

00:48:30.120 say she tried

00:48:31.760 to flee after

00:48:33.260 she got convicted

00:48:34.240 of fraud.

00:48:35.700 She tried, she

00:48:36.500 got herself a

00:48:37.300 one-way ticket

00:48:38.080 down to Mexico.

00:48:39.880 It's unbelievable

00:48:41.100 but totally

00:48:41.760 believable.

00:48:42.680 By the way, just

00:48:43.300 for those who are

00:48:43.780 not familiar,

00:48:44.380 Elizabeth Holmes

00:48:44.940 ran Theranos,

00:48:45.900 this company that

00:48:46.580 said that they

00:48:46.900 were going to be

00:48:47.180 able to prick

00:48:47.540 your finger and

00:48:48.500 take a single

00:48:49.000 drop of blood and

00:48:49.760 be able to run

00:48:50.160 all sorts of

00:48:50.600 blood tests on

00:48:51.260 it and they

00:48:51.620 could not.

00:48:52.140 It was a lie.

00:48:53.140 They never were

00:48:53.660 able to do it

00:48:54.500 and she led a

00:48:55.860 lot of very

00:48:56.300 important people

00:48:56.780 to think they

00:48:57.220 had done it to

00:48:57.980 the point where

00:48:58.380 it got offered

00:48:58.960 in Walgreens and

00:48:59.880 she said it was

00:49:00.320 being used by

00:49:00.800 the military.

00:49:01.900 It wasn't and

00:49:03.180 she was convicted

00:49:03.740 of fraud.

00:49:05.020 She had, while

00:49:06.280 she was in

00:49:06.680 trouble, she met

00:49:07.320 a guy, they got

00:49:08.600 married.

00:49:09.200 I think she'd

00:49:09.640 either gone on

00:49:10.300 trial or certainly

00:49:10.960 been outed as

00:49:11.740 having committed

00:49:12.260 fraud.

00:49:13.780 Married, this guy

00:49:14.500 married her, he's a

00:49:15.260 trust fund guy.

00:49:16.280 He doesn't appear

00:49:17.000 to have much of a

00:49:17.520 career himself but

00:49:18.260 he, at least

00:49:19.500 that's how it

00:49:20.160 is based on

00:49:20.600 what I read, but

00:49:21.680 he's got family

00:49:22.260 dough.

00:49:22.720 They get married.

00:49:23.360 She has no

00:49:23.740 dough now.

00:49:25.040 So she marries a

00:49:25.860 rich guy thanks to

00:49:26.720 his family dough and

00:49:27.320 he marries her.

00:49:28.300 I don't know why

00:49:28.980 exactly, but they

00:49:30.100 had a kid and she

00:49:31.160 was pregnant with

00:49:31.620 her second kid when

00:49:33.400 she got convicted

00:49:34.380 and the baby's not

00:49:35.980 born.

00:49:36.460 The baby's due in

00:49:37.660 April and a lot of

00:49:38.660 people thought this

00:49:39.180 is a sympathy play.

00:49:40.360 You know, she was

00:49:40.660 trying to convict,

00:49:41.300 like no jury would

00:49:42.120 convict a young

00:49:42.860 mother pregnant with

00:49:43.720 a baby.

00:49:44.200 Wrong.

00:49:45.020 She got sentenced

00:49:45.660 to 11 years in

00:49:47.580 prison and what

00:49:49.680 the prosecutors

00:49:50.340 allege is that she

00:49:52.200 was going to

00:49:52.520 Mexico, booked a

00:49:54.400 trip January 26,

00:49:55.820 2022 without a

00:49:57.900 return ticket.

00:49:59.240 It wasn't until the

00:50:01.200 prosecutors alerted

00:50:02.620 her legal team three

00:50:03.760 days before she was

00:50:04.700 about to go that she

00:50:06.320 was doing this.

00:50:07.340 So it was almost

00:50:08.360 exactly a year ago

00:50:09.460 that she then

00:50:11.020 canceled the ticket.

00:50:12.120 Then they took her

00:50:13.120 passport and her

00:50:14.920 team said it was a

00:50:15.900 misunderstanding that

00:50:17.740 the reservation was

00:50:18.460 made before the

00:50:19.100 verdict.

00:50:20.020 She had planned to

00:50:20.600 attend a friend's

00:50:22.100 wedding, which Dave

00:50:23.560 seems a little weird

00:50:24.520 because I've been to

00:50:25.660 friends weddings before

00:50:27.040 and I always get the

00:50:28.100 round trip.

00:50:29.000 I just assume they

00:50:29.620 don't want me to stay

00:50:30.340 with them permanently.

00:50:32.340 You would think she

00:50:33.380 would book the round

00:50:34.440 trip even if she was

00:50:35.900 planning an escape just

00:50:37.600 in the event that you

00:50:38.560 get caught.

00:50:39.600 You'd be like, oh, no,

00:50:40.720 look, I was just going

00:50:41.920 and I was coming right

00:50:42.720 back.

00:50:43.120 It seems like that at

00:50:44.540 least I mean, if her

00:50:45.160 husband's got the money

00:50:45.980 now, it will it seems

00:50:47.540 like a good idea.

00:50:48.360 The whole story was so

00:50:49.680 amazing for people who

00:50:50.660 don't know.

00:50:51.060 They made a really great

00:50:51.800 documentary on it that

00:50:53.480 she really did you ever

00:50:54.520 see on the office when

00:50:57.280 Will Arnett was was on

00:50:59.940 it.

00:51:00.520 Anyway, they had this part

00:51:01.620 where he was interviewing

00:51:02.320 for a job and he was

00:51:04.200 interviewing for the job

00:51:05.680 and he was like, he

00:51:06.560 goes, I have a plan that

00:51:08.020 I can guarantee will

00:51:09.080 double your profits.

00:51:10.840 And they were like, wow,

00:51:11.960 that's that's amazing.

00:51:12.980 What's your plan?

00:51:14.020 And he was like, well, no,

00:51:14.920 I can't give you the

00:51:15.540 plan, but like if you

00:51:17.040 give me the job, then

00:51:17.960 I'll give you the plan.

00:51:18.980 And this is literally

00:51:20.060 what this woman did

00:51:21.320 successfully.

00:51:22.900 Got had like meetings

00:51:23.920 with Henry Kissinger and

00:51:25.140 Bill Clinton and had all

00:51:26.220 of these incredibly, you

00:51:28.000 know, unimpressive elites

00:51:29.840 buying into her thing that

00:51:31.880 she said she could prick

00:51:32.800 your finger and do full

00:51:34.720 detailed blood work on

00:51:36.260 you and never had to

00:51:37.840 explain how because she

00:51:39.400 was like, well, I can't if

00:51:40.260 I gave away that secret,

00:51:41.200 then everyone would just

00:51:42.000 take it and they could

00:51:42.880 use it.

00:51:43.280 And that actually

00:51:44.780 worked for a very long

00:51:46.400 time.

00:51:47.220 So exactly right.

00:51:48.000 I don't know.

00:51:49.060 I guess she probably is

00:51:50.560 under the belief that she

00:51:51.520 can get away with a lot

00:51:52.680 after that.

00:51:53.780 And she just thought like,

00:51:55.260 I'll figure it out.

00:51:56.040 I'll get away with this

00:51:56.780 one, too.

00:51:57.800 It's it wasn't until

00:51:58.680 Wall Street Journal, John

00:51:59.700 Carey, a reporter

00:52:00.780 got onto her and wrote

00:52:02.520 this in-depth piece that

00:52:03.600 her fraud blew up in

00:52:05.400 her face.

00:52:06.100 Her partner in crime

00:52:07.360 alleged Sonny Balwani

00:52:08.860 still awaits his trial.

00:52:10.240 Um, but it does, you

00:52:13.020 know, I've said this

00:52:13.700 before, but, um, crossing

00:52:16.340 the first ethical line

00:52:17.300 matters.

00:52:17.880 It matters more than

00:52:18.820 crossing the 10th or 12th

00:52:20.040 or 400th ethical line.

00:52:21.640 Crossing the first ethical

00:52:22.860 line is big and it's bad

00:52:25.000 and it's where character is

00:52:27.120 sorted in that moment.

00:52:29.060 And look, this isn't the

00:52:30.280 be all end all, but it

00:52:31.220 is there is something to

00:52:32.360 the fact that she changed

00:52:34.040 the voice.

00:52:34.640 Her voice was not this

00:52:36.080 deep voice.

00:52:37.500 It was a normal woman's

00:52:39.620 voice.

00:52:40.480 We've actually butted it

00:52:41.560 together.

00:52:41.800 One of the many podcasts

00:52:42.880 who took a deep dive into

00:52:43.780 Elizabeth Holmes after all

00:52:44.840 this found some tape of

00:52:45.940 her talking like she used

00:52:47.680 to and we butted it

00:52:49.160 together with a fake voice.

00:52:50.160 Here's just a sample.

00:52:51.660 No, it hasn't.

00:52:52.620 Well, if I use traditional

00:52:54.620 words to describe what

00:52:55.640 we're doing, it's hard.

00:52:56.860 And we've made it possible

00:52:57.920 to eliminate the tubes and

00:53:00.760 tubes of blood that

00:53:02.800 traditionally have to be

00:53:04.000 drawn from an arm.

00:53:05.080 And replaced it with the

00:53:09.380 nanotainer.

00:53:10.940 I guess you could say she

00:53:12.960 wanted to be taken more

00:53:13.620 seriously.

00:53:14.200 I would say it's all part

00:53:15.220 of her fraud.

00:53:16.480 Yeah, I think I think

00:53:17.180 there's really something to

00:53:18.380 your point about kind of

00:53:19.680 that first line, that

00:53:21.100 first line that you cross.

00:53:22.420 And once you're OK

00:53:23.080 crossing that, it kind of

00:53:24.580 justifies the next and the

00:53:26.100 next and the next.

00:53:27.200 And there, you know, it's

00:53:28.900 almost like I think that

00:53:30.680 this is how predatory

00:53:32.400 people take they're

00:53:35.040 able to be successful

00:53:36.160 is that the vast

00:53:37.680 majority of us are not

00:53:39.000 predators and we tend

00:53:40.560 to project ourselves

00:53:41.780 onto others.

00:53:43.200 And, you know, you

00:53:44.660 would just never think

00:53:45.980 that someone would be

00:53:47.600 so brazen.

00:53:48.640 I mean, even just seeing

00:53:49.700 her up there, like, I

00:53:50.540 mean, as she's holding

00:53:51.300 up this little vial and

00:53:52.480 announcing we've been

00:53:53.440 able to figure this out,

00:53:54.580 you would just never

00:53:55.420 imagine.

00:53:55.860 I mean, no one's going

00:53:56.420 to get up there and say

00:53:57.420 that when they just have

00:53:58.860 nothing.

00:53:59.460 They have not figured

00:54:01.040 this out at all.

00:54:01.920 Most of us just would

00:54:03.040 never have the would

00:54:04.940 never even think to do

00:54:06.020 that.

00:54:06.560 Not even just for ethical

00:54:07.620 giving results to sick

00:54:09.440 people.

00:54:10.140 She was telling people

00:54:11.300 with cancer that this

00:54:13.020 was going to work.

00:54:13.680 I mean, like who

00:54:14.480 manipulates the ill?

00:54:17.200 Yeah.

00:54:17.660 Yeah.

00:54:18.100 And so it's like most

00:54:19.820 of us work within the

00:54:21.400 confines of these kind of

00:54:22.940 ethical frameworks.

00:54:24.820 And when someone's just

00:54:25.420 completely, you know,

00:54:26.560 like those constraints

00:54:28.440 just aren't on them,

00:54:30.160 it doesn't dawn on most

00:54:31.900 of us that that would

00:54:32.560 even be possible.

00:54:33.780 So again, and there's

00:54:35.220 something similar with

00:54:35.940 faking your voice.

00:54:36.960 I mean, most of us just

00:54:37.840 couldn't even imagine.

00:54:38.920 We couldn't even wrap our

00:54:39.620 heads around the idea of

00:54:40.940 just just I'm speaking to

00:54:42.660 you in a fake voice right

00:54:44.000 now.

00:54:44.220 I'm just going to assume

00:54:45.200 the way you're talking to

00:54:46.000 me.

00:54:46.100 This is actually your

00:54:46.980 voice.

00:54:47.780 And but yeah, there is

00:54:48.980 there's a connection there.

00:54:50.040 There's something that is

00:54:51.340 really sociopathic about

00:54:53.100 doing that.

00:54:54.560 There is.

00:54:54.980 You're exactly right.

00:54:56.060 And she, you know, I

00:54:57.660 was thinking about this

00:54:58.480 husband because I'm OK.

00:54:59.780 If you read further in the

00:55:00.880 reports, they say, oh,

00:55:02.520 well, because I said to

00:55:03.640 my husband, Doug, I'm

00:55:04.220 like, well, was there a

00:55:06.080 wedding in Mexico?

00:55:06.820 Because that's knowable.

00:55:08.400 You know, like you could

00:55:09.080 figure that out.

00:55:09.860 And then they said, well,

00:55:10.740 you know what?

00:55:11.120 The husband actually did

00:55:12.280 go to Mexico right

00:55:14.180 around this time.

00:55:14.960 I'm like, oh, well,

00:55:15.580 maybe there was.

00:55:16.560 But no.

00:55:17.220 Then, Dave, the husband

00:55:18.720 went to Mexico right

00:55:20.060 around that time and

00:55:21.180 then stayed gone for

00:55:23.240 six weeks going to

00:55:25.020 all over the Australia

00:55:26.320 and hell and gone

00:55:27.100 as as his wife

00:55:29.780 is like about

00:55:31.400 to go to prison

00:55:32.440 potentially for

00:55:33.600 11 years.

00:55:35.400 Like what kind

00:55:36.640 of a husband

00:55:37.280 does that?

00:55:40.280 Yeah, that's

00:55:40.960 that's different

00:55:42.120 than my marriage.

00:55:43.160 I think if my wife

00:55:44.080 was going away, she'd

00:55:45.040 really insist that I

00:55:46.020 come spend those

00:55:46.760 those few days with

00:55:48.020 her.

00:55:48.260 Luckily, she has not

00:55:48.980 defrauded anyone yet

00:55:50.000 that I know of.

00:55:51.040 But it's there are

00:55:52.140 there are very, very

00:55:53.560 weird people who are

00:55:54.700 very different from

00:55:55.620 you and I in the

00:55:56.560 world.

00:55:57.020 And it's, you know,

00:55:58.400 I know as a lawyer,

00:55:59.580 you kind of like see

00:56:00.820 people like that.

00:56:02.680 But it's it's really

00:56:04.140 something to to watch

00:56:05.920 it.

00:56:06.080 And then, of course,

00:56:06.600 as I mentioned before,

00:56:07.520 just the other thing

00:56:08.060 that's just so interesting

00:56:08.980 about this woman's

00:56:09.900 story was just how

00:56:11.580 easily she was able

00:56:12.780 to sucker so many

00:56:13.900 people into this who

00:56:15.380 you would think would

00:56:16.580 know better or would

00:56:18.480 at least be doing some

00:56:19.680 vetting of this

00:56:20.900 situation, whereas like

00:56:21.960 basically any nurse

00:56:23.640 could have looked at

00:56:24.800 this and gone, wait,

00:56:25.920 but this is impossible.

00:56:26.800 Like you you must have

00:56:27.780 some groundbreaking

00:56:28.660 technology here.

00:56:30.000 Like there's no

00:56:30.680 conceivable way that

00:56:32.060 this could be done.

00:56:33.280 And somehow it right.

00:56:35.400 Like you said, until the

00:56:36.460 whistle was finally

00:56:37.180 blown.

00:56:38.220 There's a tinge of

00:56:39.000 woke ism and there's a

00:56:40.300 tinge of good old

00:56:42.680 fashioned sex appeal

00:56:43.600 involved in this, I

00:56:44.720 think, because look who

00:56:46.080 was on her board.

00:56:46.920 You mentioned

00:56:47.580 mentioned Kissinger,

00:56:49.040 Mad Dog Mattis.

00:56:50.080 He was on the George

00:56:51.060 Schultz, former

00:56:52.480 secretary of state.

00:56:53.320 He was the big guy who

00:56:54.240 like backed her to the

00:56:55.080 end, notwithstanding his

00:56:55.880 grandson, Tyler, being

00:56:57.360 like, granddad, it's a

00:56:58.800 fraud.

00:56:59.380 He wound up being the

00:57:00.040 whistleblower who made a

00:57:00.780 big difference.

00:57:02.120 All these older.

00:57:04.540 Yeah, I'm just saying like

00:57:05.640 these guys are probably

00:57:06.440 like, hey, yes, it's

00:57:07.900 wonderful.

00:57:08.540 A woman making it in

00:57:10.040 Silicon Valley.

00:57:11.060 She's the new Steve

00:57:12.240 Jobs.

00:57:12.640 She dresses like Steve

00:57:13.620 Jobs.

00:57:14.040 And there's a piece of

00:57:15.320 like, yes, I'm going to

00:57:16.240 support the woman, check a

00:57:18.120 box, and then there's

00:57:19.300 probably a piece of

00:57:20.180 like, check her out.

00:57:22.300 She pays me a lot of

00:57:23.060 attention.

00:57:23.620 She's very nice.

00:57:24.380 I mean, listen, I'm

00:57:25.160 going to say the truth.

00:57:25.900 I don't find Elizabeth

00:57:26.680 Holmes all that

00:57:27.640 attractive, but I'm

00:57:29.280 going to guess if I were

00:57:30.020 90, I probably feel

00:57:32.460 differently and a guy

00:57:33.520 probably feel

00:57:34.160 differently about it.

00:57:36.220 Yeah, I mean, I

00:57:36.960 don't know.

00:57:37.540 I don't know what

00:57:38.000 Henry Kissinger is

00:57:38.920 pulling these days, but

00:57:40.600 from what I from what I

00:57:42.120 heard, he was doing

00:57:43.180 quite well in his time.

00:57:45.180 So I think you're

00:57:46.520 right about all of that,

00:57:47.540 though.

00:57:47.740 I do think that

00:57:48.440 there's real, you

00:57:51.500 know, it's a real

00:57:52.480 poisonous thing that's

00:57:54.400 just been completely

00:57:55.100 accepted by our

00:57:55.880 society, that merit is

00:57:59.020 not the most important

00:58:00.000 metric, and that

00:58:01.180 rather we're checking

00:58:01.980 boxes, which is

00:58:03.080 like horrible and is

00:58:04.880 completely against, I

00:58:05.940 think, the spirit, at

00:58:07.160 least traditionally the

00:58:08.880 spirit of being against

00:58:09.900 prejudice.

00:58:10.680 The whole point of

00:58:11.500 being against prejudice

00:58:12.360 was that you didn't

00:58:13.200 want to keep people who

00:58:15.600 deserved to be there

00:58:16.980 out.

00:58:17.540 Based on silly, you

00:58:19.220 know, things like, you

00:58:20.680 know, based on not

00:58:21.780 that that, you know,

00:58:23.240 gender is silly, but

00:58:24.240 that, you know, it's a

00:58:25.200 it's a silly reason to

00:58:26.360 not hire someone or not

00:58:27.600 give someone an

00:58:28.140 opportunity.

00:58:28.560 And now we've

00:58:29.220 completely flipped that

00:58:30.220 and we're just doing

00:58:30.880 that on the same, you

00:58:32.920 know, metric, just in

00:58:33.560 the reverse direction.

00:58:34.560 And like in the name of

00:58:35.680 female empowerment, we're

00:58:37.240 just we're we're emboldening

00:58:38.760 fraudsters, you know,

00:58:39.780 like we're not kicking

00:58:40.720 the tires.

00:58:41.260 We're not making sure

00:58:42.040 that like that story in

00:58:43.180 the Biden administration

00:58:43.800 about the non-binary guy

00:58:45.940 who was like bald with a

00:58:47.540 full face of makeup and

00:58:48.800 a dress who was stealing

00:58:49.880 all the luggage at the

00:58:50.960 airports like identity

00:58:53.080 trumps all, which which

00:58:54.380 leads me to M&Ms.

00:58:56.540 All right.

00:58:56.800 So yet another ridiculous

00:58:58.980 attempt to empower women,

00:59:01.080 Dave, by taking the

00:59:02.840 stiletto heels off of the

00:59:04.940 girl M&Ms.

00:59:06.160 This happened about a

00:59:06.800 year ago.

00:59:07.240 We did a long piece on it

00:59:08.340 because they thought

00:59:09.120 somehow this is going to

00:59:09.860 help.

00:59:10.220 I don't know what some

00:59:11.140 moron.

00:59:11.720 I guarantee you it's like

00:59:12.660 some ridiculous guy or

00:59:15.160 unattractive woman making

00:59:16.360 these decisions.

00:59:17.540 And so that was a year

00:59:18.640 ago.

00:59:19.520 And then they came out

00:59:20.760 with like, I don't know,

00:59:21.860 they identified which

00:59:22.760 which M&Ms are female.

00:59:24.340 It's been ridiculous.

00:59:25.500 It's been one thing after

00:59:26.300 another.

00:59:26.580 And then today we get a

00:59:28.560 statement just as we go to

00:59:29.420 air from M&Ms, a statement

00:59:32.020 from M&Ms, Mars company.

00:59:33.360 And here it is.

00:59:34.720 America, let's talk.

00:59:37.140 Why am I talking to my

00:59:38.280 M&M?

00:59:39.300 In the last year, we've

00:59:40.520 made some changes to our

00:59:41.620 beloved spokes candies.

00:59:43.660 We weren't sure if anyone

00:59:44.620 would even notice.

00:59:45.660 And we definitely didn't

00:59:46.680 think it would break the

00:59:47.360 Internet.

00:59:47.840 But now we get it.

00:59:49.520 Even a candy shoes can be

00:59:50.880 polarizing, which was the

00:59:52.260 last thing M&Ms wanted

00:59:53.480 since we're all about

00:59:54.600 bringing people together.

00:59:55.960 Therefore, we have decided

00:59:58.080 to take an indefinite

00:59:59.340 pause from the spokes

01:00:01.640 candies, Dave.

01:00:02.520 In their place, we are

01:00:03.920 proud to introduce a

01:00:05.040 spokesperson America can

01:00:06.440 agree on, the beloved

01:00:08.100 Maya Rudolph.

01:00:09.900 We are confident Miss

01:00:10.640 Rudolph will champion the

01:00:11.740 power of fun to create a

01:00:13.640 world where everyone feels

01:00:15.560 they belong.

01:00:16.840 No acknowledgment explicit, but

01:00:19.960 implicitly there, as to what a

01:00:22.200 disaster their attempted walk

01:00:24.820 down the lane of wokeness was

01:00:27.080 for their company.

01:00:29.120 Yeah.

01:00:29.540 Yeah.

01:00:30.040 God, it's just modern

01:00:31.440 wokeism.

01:00:32.220 One of the things that's so

01:00:33.980 infuriating about it is that

01:00:36.060 they're almost, there is a

01:00:38.720 legitimate need to have kind of

01:00:42.040 like, what is the left wing

01:00:44.300 impulse to care about

01:00:46.840 marginalized people and to

01:00:48.600 care about people who are

01:00:49.640 victimized and to say, hey,

01:00:52.540 there are, you know, you

01:00:53.780 almost need this kind of like

01:00:54.940 you have a right wing that

01:00:56.240 defends hierarchies because

01:00:57.940 hierarchies are necessary and

01:00:59.480 are natural.

01:01:00.540 And then you have a left wing

01:01:01.440 that's like, okay, but

01:01:02.240 sometimes there's people at the

01:01:03.180 bottom of these hierarchies who

01:01:04.340 are mistreated.

01:01:05.040 And that's also kind of needed.

01:01:06.480 Like you need both of those in a

01:01:07.840 healthy society.

01:01:08.600 But like we have actual

01:01:10.660 marginalized people in, in the

01:01:13.420 world, in our country who

01:01:15.400 could use help and could use

01:01:17.820 someone to advocate for them.

01:01:19.100 And modern wokeism is just

01:01:20.780 completely overtaken by these

01:01:22.720 dumb, empty gestures that are

01:01:25.320 really targeted toward making

01:01:27.720 the kind of elite class feel

01:01:29.800 better about themselves and

01:01:31.560 making sure that they're never

01:01:32.860 uncomfortable.

01:01:33.600 That does absolutely nothing for

01:01:35.740 anybody who really needs it.

01:01:37.460 You know, if you want like, like

01:01:38.920 there are like if you look at the

01:01:40.580 rate of like abuse that women

01:01:43.340 suffer through like people who are

01:01:46.060 like taking these journeys through

01:01:47.700 South America to America who are

01:01:49.980 immigrating here, it's like

01:01:51.160 horrific.

01:01:51.720 Like the the rape stats are like

01:01:53.740 horrific.

01:01:54.280 But where does the outrage about

01:01:56.180 rape culture always come from?

01:01:57.940 It's like college campuses.

01:01:59.900 Like, oh, yes, upper middle class

01:02:01.840 girls in college.

01:02:03.180 That's what we're focused on.

01:02:04.480 And, you know, even like the, you

01:02:07.080 know, Black Lives Matter and stuff

01:02:09.000 are they're talking about, like

01:02:09.820 tearing down statues or you hear

01:02:12.420 about like something offensive that

01:02:14.120 a professor said to a college

01:02:15.720 student.

01:02:16.420 Meanwhile, you know, you get on get

01:02:18.840 on Amtrak from New York to

01:02:20.860 Washington, D.C.

01:02:21.700 and look out your window as you go

01:02:23.640 through Baltimore.

01:02:24.780 You know, like look out your window

01:02:26.020 and see what like this this

01:02:27.780 neighborhood, which is like ninety

01:02:29.760 nine percent black kids walking

01:02:31.900 around without shoes and condemned

01:02:33.780 buildings and like no one's ever

01:02:35.780 sticking up for them.

01:02:37.260 No one's ever saying like, hey,

01:02:38.200 let's actually think about what

01:02:39.440 could make these people's lives a

01:02:41.360 little better because it's really

01:02:42.740 messed up what's happening to people

01:02:43.940 here instead of it's like

01:02:45.020 conversations about, you know,

01:02:47.500 this like kind of corporatized

01:02:49.460 nonsense about what character

01:02:51.960 Mr.

01:02:52.440 Potato Head or the stilettish shoes on

01:02:54.660 an M&M.

01:02:55.360 It's just so it's like how it's

01:02:57.100 unbelievable that we can be this

01:02:58.700 mind numbingly stupid and

01:03:01.460 the lights still turn on when I

01:03:02.980 flick a light switch.

01:03:04.240 How do we have a functioning

01:03:06.240 society and

01:03:07.680 and we're actually having

01:03:08.800 conversations this dumb?

01:03:10.820 Yes, my God, you're so right.

01:03:12.680 You know, of course, Baltimore

01:03:13.920 long run by Democrats is a long

01:03:16.720 term like deep, deep blue city as

01:03:18.540 so many of these cities are that

01:03:19.820 are that are hurting

01:03:20.940 financially and hurting black and

01:03:23.520 brown communities and the crime

01:03:24.700 rates are rising.

01:03:25.940 But yeah, they won't look at that.

01:03:27.300 They'll only look at, quote,

01:03:28.700 whiteness, that whiteness is what

01:03:31.340 they blame it on.

01:03:32.300 These woke activists.

01:03:34.100 There was an example of this,

01:03:35.100 which is absolutely disgusting

01:03:36.520 out of Michigan

01:03:38.380 just a couple of days ago.

01:03:40.020 Jackson School Board member.

01:03:41.640 OK, this is Jackson, Michigan.

01:03:44.820 Her name is Kesha Hamilton

01:03:46.520 and Kesha thought she was going

01:03:49.140 to get right to the bottom of

01:03:50.060 these Keisha.

01:03:50.920 All right, whatever.

01:03:51.940 She thought she was going to get

01:03:53.140 right to the bottom of these

01:03:53.860 problems by posting the

01:03:55.700 following comments.

01:03:56.520 Here's just a couple.

01:03:57.440 December 18th.

01:03:58.700 Whiteness is so evil.

01:04:00.900 How'd you like this from your

01:04:01.900 school board member where your

01:04:02.840 kid goes to school?

01:04:03.660 Whiteness is so evil.

01:04:05.600 It manipulates, then says, I won't

01:04:07.400 apologize for my dishonesty and

01:04:09.240 trauma inducing practices and

01:04:11.420 thinks you should applaud it for

01:04:12.980 being honest about its ability to

01:04:14.520 manipulate and be dishonest.

01:04:16.200 Hashtag deceitful.

01:04:17.440 Hashtag perfidious.

01:04:20.060 Which means lying.

01:04:21.680 So a couple of people responded.

01:04:24.380 Here's one who wrote a much nicer

01:04:26.780 response than I would have saying,

01:04:28.780 this is so disheartening.

01:04:30.440 Weren't you elected to represent

01:04:31.520 the entire student body within our

01:04:33.360 racially diverse student population?

01:04:34.960 In response to which she says, what's

01:04:37.500 disheartening, calling out whiteness

01:04:39.300 or whiteness being evil?

01:04:40.760 Well, so they go, they have a board

01:04:45.740 meeting and the Jackson community

01:04:48.200 members were a little upset about what

01:04:51.940 she had written.

01:04:53.580 And I want you to keep in mind as you

01:04:55.000 listen to some of this.

01:04:56.500 Here's another post that she had.

01:04:58.220 OK, because she's about to claim that

01:05:00.040 this is all attacking that this thing of

01:05:02.240 whiteness as opposed to white people.

01:05:03.780 But here's another response she had on

01:05:06.140 December 3rd.

01:05:08.260 A man named Glenn Martin posted the

01:05:10.340 following black male, alone, raining,

01:05:12.820 foggy, hiking.

01:05:14.160 You write the rest of the script.

01:05:15.560 Her response.

01:05:17.080 The last thing you have to worry about

01:05:18.220 is an animal, though that could be a

01:05:20.040 very real threat.

01:05:21.440 More dangerous are any white folks you

01:05:23.740 may see on the trail.

01:05:25.340 Be safe.

01:05:26.560 Now this woman wants us to believe she

01:05:27.860 has nothing against white people, just

01:05:29.600 whiteness as if that's OK.

01:05:31.460 Here's first a sampling of the school

01:05:34.800 board meeting and the community

01:05:36.040 members at it.

01:05:38.600 Our skin color is apparently evil and

01:05:41.540 dangerous, according to one board

01:05:43.360 member, perhaps more than one board

01:05:45.620 member.

01:05:46.020 We would all like to find out who else

01:05:47.540 defines my family and ancestors as

01:05:50.660 evil and dangerous.

01:05:52.620 How can children with white heritage

01:05:54.300 feel safe when a board member posts

01:05:56.420 racist statements against whiteness and

01:05:59.240 white folks?

01:06:00.000 These posts were made to incite and

01:06:03.080 divide with no explanation of her

01:06:05.580 supposed intention until after she

01:06:08.980 incited all this anger.

01:06:10.760 She knows exactly what she's doing.

01:06:14.340 Look how nice those ladies are.

01:06:15.740 Yeah, I imagine you would not be that

01:06:17.120 nice and I certainly would not be that

01:06:18.820 nice.

01:06:19.500 So but she was not without her

01:06:20.800 defenders.

01:06:21.740 A couple people stood up and defended

01:06:23.280 her.

01:06:23.500 But here's the board member, Keisha

01:06:25.060 Hamilton herself, trying to explain.

01:06:26.960 What I expect and hope that we as

01:06:31.880 individuals who respect the

01:06:33.500 Constitution and each other's rights

01:06:35.560 under it would do is to one, learn to

01:06:39.500 ignore tweets that are disagreeable to

01:06:41.540 you.

01:06:42.540 Two, fully read the tweet and attempt to

01:06:46.000 understand it.

01:06:47.160 Three, choose to be a part of the solution

01:06:49.880 so that in time the tweet could no longer

01:06:53.460 be factually true.

01:06:55.260 We have to ask ourselves, what are we

01:06:57.960 angered over?

01:06:59.000 The fact that it was said or the fact

01:07:01.540 that it is true.

01:07:03.740 My God.

01:07:04.740 And she's not yet booted off of the

01:07:07.540 board.

01:07:08.120 I don't know that she will be.

01:07:09.340 She's completely doubling down, saying

01:07:10.760 this is her constitutional right and she

01:07:12.720 will not be gaslit by people telling her

01:07:15.380 it's other than as she said.

01:07:18.860 Yeah, I mean, it's I could almost kind

01:07:21.660 of, you know, get behind the idea that

01:07:24.420 like, hey, we have freedom of speech and we

01:07:26.080 can tweet anything we want to.

01:07:27.720 But I mean, just imagine I'm sure she

01:07:30.300 would be making that same defense if

01:07:32.280 somebody on the school board was tweeting

01:07:34.080 out how great whiteness is, you know, like

01:07:36.980 I'm sure I'm sure that would be her exact

01:07:38.900 take.

01:07:39.220 Well, you have a right.

01:07:39.940 Hey, we can disagree.

01:07:40.800 It's look, I mean, the real problem that

01:07:45.040 we have with in in these cases is public

01:07:47.860 sector unions, which are just

01:07:49.800 monstrosity and should never exist.

01:07:53.600 There should never be such thing as a

01:07:55.400 public sector union.

01:07:56.460 The basic idea of unions is like so

01:08:00.220 there's an employer who wants to pay his

01:08:02.820 workers as little as he can pay them.

01:08:04.620 And there's workers who want to get paid

01:08:06.360 as much as they can.

01:08:07.300 But if one worker stands up to negotiate

01:08:09.860 the boss's money or his salary, he's kind

01:08:12.520 of disposable.

01:08:13.160 But if we all get together, we can we can

01:08:15.160 negotiate from a stronger position.

01:08:16.860 That's all fine and good.

01:08:18.320 But when you have public sector unions, you

01:08:20.360 have basically a politician using taxpayer

01:08:24.000 money who is not incentivized at all to

01:08:27.160 to pay you less.

01:08:28.700 It's not his money.

01:08:29.680 It's like, whatever, I don't care.

01:08:30.800 He's just incentivized to give you more

01:08:32.180 money.

01:08:32.480 So he has a voting block buying for him

01:08:34.060 and then a bunch of government workers all

01:08:36.860 pooling together to argue for more.

01:08:38.240 So it's it's basically impossible to fire

01:08:40.700 these people.

01:08:41.780 And it makes it very, very difficult to

01:08:44.280 to get people out of of the system who

01:08:46.960 are really awful.

01:08:48.440 On the school board, they need to boot her

01:08:50.640 by vote.

01:08:51.340 And I imagine she'll she will be booted by

01:08:53.380 by vote the next time.

01:08:55.260 But this is horrific.

01:08:56.260 I mean, think about it.

01:08:57.200 You raise a good point.

01:08:58.580 Imagine if this were a white person saying

01:09:01.340 how terrible and evil blackness is.

01:09:04.440 I mean, they'd find a way to boot that

01:09:05.820 person immediately.

01:09:06.700 They'd be fired on the spot.

01:09:08.000 But because she's saying, oh, no, it's

01:09:11.280 you know, whiteness really is the problem.

01:09:13.280 And if you don't get it, you're part of the

01:09:15.860 problem.

01:09:16.660 It's OK.

01:09:18.540 Yeah.

01:09:18.880 And it's it's kind of like we all have this.

01:09:21.860 I think decent people all almost have this

01:09:25.260 this individualist agreement that we make

01:09:28.900 that it's unfair to lump people into these

01:09:33.140 collective racial categories because

01:09:36.080 individuals aren't responsible for what

01:09:38.060 everybody in their racial group does.

01:09:40.120 You know, if I if I get mugged in a bad part

01:09:42.880 of town by a group of black kids, I can't

01:09:47.060 just say, oh, this is blackness or these are

01:09:49.000 black people's fault because that's pretty

01:09:50.660 unfair to like my neighbor who's a black

01:09:52.820 dentist, you know, who like he's like, I don't

01:09:54.780 know, I didn't mug anybody.

01:09:55.780 What do you mean?

01:09:56.640 And so we kind of all decent people accept

01:09:58.380 that.

01:09:59.180 But this is now become like the collective

01:10:01.860 guilt of white people has become so

01:10:05.200 dominant in academia, on school boards, in

01:10:09.360 in corporate media, in politics in general

01:10:13.600 that they they really are.

01:10:16.600 It's the second worst thing about it.

01:10:18.520 The first worst thing is this is just

01:10:19.700 horrible.

01:10:20.580 The second worst thing is that they are

01:10:22.660 actually creating the far right reaction

01:10:26.500 to this that they've always claimed was

01:10:28.200 there.

01:10:28.480 The whole rise of like the alt right and

01:10:31.820 the kind of white nationalist movement.

01:10:33.580 This is was all in response to the rise

01:10:36.340 of woke ism.

01:10:37.180 And it's you can understand where it pushes

01:10:39.640 young white kids, particularly young

01:10:43.380 white straight men who are like constantly

01:10:45.860 told that they're the only group that it's

01:10:47.600 OK to demonize like this to kind of say, hey,

01:10:50.320 F you, I'm fine.

01:10:52.440 If you're playing this game, then I'm

01:10:53.740 playing the same game here.

01:10:55.000 And it's almost like the responses that

01:10:57.900 they they write themselves.

01:10:59.700 It's like, oh, everything whiteness is

01:11:01.360 toxic.

01:11:01.720 It's like, OK, so then why do you want to

01:11:03.280 live in the United States of America?

01:11:05.600 Why don't you get as far away from

01:11:06.940 whiteness as you can?

01:11:08.700 Like, why do you you know what I mean?

01:11:10.100 Like, you know, they're playing a dangerous

01:11:11.600 game.

01:11:12.340 This is a very dangerous game and it's

01:11:15.600 highly consequential.

01:11:16.700 Like we mock the M&M's thing because it's

01:11:18.840 absurd.

01:11:19.820 But this whole era, like this whole

01:11:22.780 category of argument is dangerous when

01:11:26.480 looked at writ large woke ism like that

01:11:28.600 woman is creating more racists by the

01:11:31.220 minute.

01:11:31.980 Imagine having a child in that school

01:11:33.540 district and understanding this is the

01:11:35.420 woman who's helping to set policy about

01:11:37.900 what my kid's going to read, what the

01:11:39.720 teachers have to read, what the lesson

01:11:41.620 plan looks like.

01:11:43.080 I mean, it's easy to say I'd get the hell

01:11:44.740 out of there, but it's not that easy for

01:11:46.280 most people.

01:11:48.000 Yeah, I think that me and you are probably

01:11:50.800 fortunate enough that we can get our

01:11:53.740 kids out of environments like that.

01:11:55.460 I know last time I was on the show, we

01:11:56.980 were talking about you pulling your kids

01:11:58.640 out of out of the school they were in in

01:12:00.400 New York and stuff because of this.

01:12:01.720 Like, yeah, yeah.

01:12:03.240 And but a lot of these people just simply

01:12:06.420 don't have the option.

01:12:08.180 I mean, a lot a lot of these guys, I mean,

01:12:09.760 right now, you know, if you're if you're

01:12:11.640 making I don't know exactly off the top

01:12:13.920 of my head what the average

01:12:14.800 household like the median income

01:12:18.820 is, I think it's something between like

01:12:20.460 sixty six, seventy grand a year or

01:12:22.680 something in that in that area.

01:12:23.940 I mean, with today's inflation, you know,

01:12:26.180 imagine, you know, you're a family of

01:12:27.620 four and you got an income of seventy

01:12:29.860 grand for your family

01:12:31.980 and you're paying property taxes

01:12:34.460 for your your local public school.

01:12:36.960 I mean, you can't afford to pay

01:12:38.820 for double schooling.

01:12:40.880 You can't you know, you don't have the

01:12:41.720 option to pull your kids out and put

01:12:43.600 them into private school.

01:12:44.660 If you're both working jobs, you don't

01:12:46.140 really have the option to

01:12:47.460 to homeschool.

01:12:48.520 I mean, a lot of these people are stuck

01:12:50.100 and there's nothing else they can do

01:12:51.640 than show up at these these meetings

01:12:53.600 and try to speak their piece.

01:12:55.680 And so it's a it

01:12:57.600 it's just I can't imagine what

01:12:59.820 what it would be like to be in that

01:13:00.920 situation and know that these are the

01:13:02.380 people in authority positions

01:13:04.560 in educating your children.

01:13:07.680 And then you find out you've got a

01:13:09.140 rabid racist sitting on your school

01:13:11.340 board who hates white people.

01:13:13.660 And and by the way, she's not the only

01:13:14.940 one. Here's a fellow board member,

01:13:17.240 Myesha Jones, defending

01:13:20.180 Keisha Hamilton.

01:13:22.660 And Jones is also.

01:13:24.920 Oh, she's just she's OK.

01:13:26.640 Hello. My team's clarifying.

01:13:27.760 She's defending the school board member,

01:13:29.480 but she's they are defending this

01:13:31.320 because she as well thinks

01:13:33.300 there's no problem in it here.

01:13:34.260 Listen, she's going to educate

01:13:39.780 where a piece of post didn't say

01:13:42.000 anything about white people.

01:13:44.880 Not your white mother, not your white

01:13:47.020 self, not your white daughter and not

01:13:49.660 your white son.

01:13:51.180 We're not talking about a person.

01:13:54.380 Whiteness.

01:13:55.640 OK, listen closely.

01:13:58.040 Whiteness is the system,

01:14:00.600 the ideology, the belief,

01:14:03.660 the thought that because

01:14:04.980 your skin is white,

01:14:06.580 you are superior to

01:14:08.340 black people.

01:14:10.120 What you educated me on there,

01:14:12.280 madam, was your ignorance

01:14:14.280 of the facts and your racism,

01:14:16.700 because if you look at

01:14:18.900 Keisha Hamilton's posts,

01:14:21.040 as I pointed out earlier,

01:14:21.940 they explicitly do call out

01:14:23.520 white people.

01:14:24.020 Not that's necessary.

01:14:24.940 The attacked on quote

01:14:26.560 whiteness is plenty.

01:14:28.240 All right.

01:14:28.780 We're there, despite the window

01:14:30.460 dressing you now want to put on it.

01:14:32.080 But secondly, as I just pointed out,

01:14:33.520 Dave, Keisha's posts

01:14:35.500 say to the black man

01:14:37.120 who's going hiking alone,

01:14:38.820 more dangerous are any white folks

01:14:40.860 you may see on the trail.

01:14:42.680 Be safe.

01:14:43.460 How is that not calling out

01:14:44.880 white people?

01:14:45.840 Because she used the term folks.

01:14:47.800 Do your homework,

01:14:49.500 madam, before you get up

01:14:50.620 to the microphone and try to

01:14:51.680 lecture the community

01:14:52.500 on what kind of a threat

01:14:53.740 this board member does

01:14:54.680 or does not pose.

01:14:56.060 And good for those women

01:14:57.240 who had the nerve to stand up

01:14:58.540 in the face of that

01:14:59.340 kind of thinking

01:15:00.040 and say the truth,

01:15:01.400 which is this is an outrage

01:15:03.060 and that board member

01:15:04.200 should be fired yesterday.

01:15:06.920 Yeah, I mean,

01:15:07.640 it's just so ridiculous.

01:15:09.040 Anyway, even if she hadn't

01:15:10.140 said white folks

01:15:11.100 and at the idea of,

01:15:12.040 you know,

01:15:12.400 if I was describing

01:15:13.440 how evil blackness is,

01:15:16.220 I go, what?

01:15:16.980 I never said anything

01:15:17.620 about black people.

01:15:18.760 Just blackness.

01:15:20.020 You know, that's

01:15:20.580 that totally fine.

01:15:21.840 It's just so absurd.

01:15:23.380 It's like you can't even believe

01:15:24.660 they would use this defense.

01:15:26.540 And, you know, again,

01:15:28.240 the problem with this,

01:15:31.200 like, collectivizing

01:15:33.220 of an entire racial group

01:15:35.260 of people,

01:15:35.960 it's just as I was saying before,

01:15:37.460 you know,

01:15:37.660 like if you get mugged

01:15:38.520 by a black guy

01:15:39.160 blaming all black people for it.

01:15:40.560 Well, the problem with that

01:15:42.540 is, number one,

01:15:43.420 you're blaming

01:15:43.860 a whole bunch of people unfairly.

01:15:46.400 Number two,

01:15:46.740 you're not being specific

01:15:47.860 about what actually

01:15:49.220 caused the problem.

01:15:50.080 And then we don't know

01:15:50.740 who to punish

01:15:51.380 and how to solve the problem.

01:15:52.740 So if you want to tell me

01:15:53.880 that there are systems

01:15:55.080 in America

01:15:56.500 that oppress black people,

01:15:58.600 I don't disagree with that.

01:16:00.980 I would argue

01:16:01.720 that probably

01:16:02.800 one of the primary ones

01:16:04.200 is the public school system

01:16:05.740 where you have

01:16:06.480 these kids graduating

01:16:07.720 and they can't read

01:16:08.680 at a third grade level.

01:16:10.700 I, you know,

01:16:11.200 you can make lots of arguments

01:16:12.720 about what systems

01:16:14.000 there are that

01:16:14.720 hurt black people.

01:16:16.220 I would, by the way,

01:16:16.760 also argue

01:16:17.500 that gun control

01:16:19.460 really oppresses

01:16:20.540 people who live

01:16:21.760 in high-crime neighborhoods.

01:16:23.040 The criminals all have guns

01:16:24.420 and now they're

01:16:25.160 completely disarmed

01:16:26.280 and they can't defend themselves

01:16:27.580 and they have to rely

01:16:29.540 on police for that

01:16:31.860 and the power

01:16:32.480 is completely taken

01:16:33.160 out of their hands.

01:16:34.180 I'd also argue

01:16:34.800 that, like,

01:16:35.480 welfare has really destroyed

01:16:37.780 the black community

01:16:39.120 as well as many

01:16:40.320 poor white communities.

01:16:41.560 But to just label

01:16:42.940 that system as whiteness

01:16:44.800 and then what do we even mean

01:16:45.860 by the system?

01:16:46.840 The system,

01:16:47.960 do we,

01:16:48.580 what do we mean?

01:16:48.980 Our entire society?

01:16:50.440 Do we mean our government?

01:16:51.700 Do we mean specific

01:16:52.500 government policies

01:16:53.380 and not other ones?

01:16:54.740 It's just that

01:16:55.360 this is the problem

01:16:56.120 where you're so vague

01:16:57.140 that you're not even

01:16:57.780 saying anything

01:16:58.660 and you're just blaming

01:16:59.780 an entire racial category

01:17:01.880 for it.

01:17:02.720 I don't know.

01:17:03.440 If we're just describing

01:17:04.420 the system so broadly

01:17:05.820 as meaning everything,

01:17:07.620 then yes,

01:17:08.660 the system has done

01:17:10.440 some things

01:17:11.120 to oppress groups of people.

01:17:13.140 It's also given a lot

01:17:15.780 to those groups of people.

01:17:17.020 You also are way better off

01:17:19.380 living in a first world country

01:17:20.740 in 2023

01:17:22.040 than about 99.9%

01:17:24.620 of humans

01:17:25.140 who have ever existed.

01:17:27.120 Yeah, well said.

01:17:28.480 The whole thing is so fiery.

01:17:29.900 My God,

01:17:30.120 I've had a lot of emotions

01:17:30.960 in this segment.

01:17:31.740 We've laughed.

01:17:32.740 We didn't cry,

01:17:33.720 but there was near tears

01:17:34.960 maybe by Stephen.

01:17:36.060 We've had anger.

01:17:37.160 We've had it all, Dave Smith.

01:17:38.960 It's always a pleasure

01:17:39.840 and it's always interesting.

01:17:41.160 That's what I love about you.

01:17:42.180 Thanks for being here.

01:17:43.600 Thank you so much.

01:17:44.580 I was glad to be back.

01:17:45.780 I really enjoyed it.

01:17:46.980 All right, we'll do it again.

01:17:48.240 Coming up next,

01:17:49.080 Dr. Deborah So comes on

01:17:50.700 to respond to Amy.

01:17:52.920 Our viewer,

01:17:53.580 our listener, Amy,

01:17:54.340 who called in

01:17:54.960 will get you up to speed next

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01:18:04.860 She's gotten away from you

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01:18:40.080 Our next guest is here

01:18:44.660 to address a question

01:18:45.540 we got from a caller last week

01:18:47.100 asking for advice

01:18:49.060 on issues

01:18:49.860 her 23-year-old daughter

01:18:51.380 is facing.

01:18:52.560 Dr. Debra So

01:18:53.300 is a neuroscientist

01:18:54.600 who specializes

01:18:55.360 in gender, sex,

01:18:56.520 and sexual orientation.

01:18:58.000 And she is the author

01:18:58.940 of the must-read

01:19:00.680 The End of Gender,

01:19:03.220 debunking the myths

01:19:04.340 about sex

01:19:05.220 and identity

01:19:06.300 in our society.

01:19:07.760 Welcome back to the show, Debra.

01:19:09.160 Great to have you.

01:19:10.400 Hi, Megan.

01:19:10.960 Thank you so much

01:19:11.540 for having me back.

01:19:12.240 I'm so excited

01:19:12.740 to talk to you.

01:19:13.960 Oh, likewise.

01:19:14.840 You're so smart

01:19:16.940 on all of these issues

01:19:18.080 and have such good

01:19:19.000 practical information.

01:19:19.900 We knew where to turn.

01:19:21.060 So just background

01:19:21.660 for the viewers

01:19:22.220 who were not with us

01:19:23.220 when this happened last week.

01:19:24.380 Dr. Leonard Sachs came out.

01:19:25.820 He has written

01:19:26.880 Why Gender Matters

01:19:28.220 and all sorts of books

01:19:28.900 on gender

01:19:29.320 and, like you,

01:19:30.380 believes there are two genders

01:19:31.940 and they're not easily

01:19:33.700 exchanged,

01:19:35.420 forgotten,

01:19:36.700 dismissed,

01:19:37.100 and so on.

01:19:37.580 And he's written

01:19:38.040 a lot on it.

01:19:39.040 And we took calls

01:19:39.920 from the audience members

01:19:40.760 at the end of his interview

01:19:41.660 and one of our listeners

01:19:43.520 named Amy

01:19:44.520 called in

01:19:45.900 with a heartbreaking question

01:19:48.480 and Dr. Sachs,

01:19:49.900 who's great,

01:19:50.560 we love him,

01:19:51.720 gave an honest answer

01:19:52.960 for him.

01:19:53.400 He wasn't able

01:19:54.220 to help her.

01:19:54.880 It was beyond

01:19:55.260 his area of expertise.

01:19:56.700 It was a sad moment,

01:19:57.900 but we knew

01:19:58.800 we could find somebody

01:19:59.580 who could answer it

01:20:00.400 and hence you're on.

01:20:01.200 But here is that exchange

01:20:03.040 for listeners

01:20:03.880 who missed it.

01:20:05.240 My child's 23.

01:20:07.340 I had a lot of stuff

01:20:08.520 going on 10 years ago.

01:20:10.740 Tried to be the best mom,

01:20:12.080 but now

01:20:13.320 I'm

01:20:15.060 the mom

01:20:17.100 of one of those kids

01:20:18.160 that's having

01:20:18.600 a lot of these issues.

01:20:19.500 Too much Instagram

01:20:20.220 at the time

01:20:21.340 for her.

01:20:23.500 Overweight,

01:20:24.400 depressed.

01:20:25.380 Three years ago,

01:20:26.140 she came to me

01:20:26.700 and said she's gay.

01:20:28.200 Her girlfriend now

01:20:29.180 went through

01:20:30.420 a bunch of

01:20:31.060 anorexia stuff

01:20:32.120 in high school

01:20:34.080 is now

01:20:35.280 even thinking

01:20:36.000 of

01:20:36.740 affirming

01:20:38.560 to being a male

01:20:40.040 and

01:20:41.020 I support my child.

01:20:44.140 I love my child.

01:20:45.200 I will do anything

01:20:46.140 for her

01:20:46.640 and I just

01:20:47.440 want to know

01:20:48.080 is there anything

01:20:48.540 I can do now

01:20:49.340 10 years after the fact.

01:20:52.860 That is my

01:20:54.100 most feared question.

01:20:56.480 I have

01:20:57.400 a lot

01:20:58.080 of strategies

01:20:59.000 that I can share

01:20:59.840 with confidence

01:21:00.500 if the child

01:21:01.500 is 10,

01:21:02.520 12,

01:21:02.880 14,

01:21:03.700 16

01:21:04.080 years of age.

01:21:07.240 And I share

01:21:08.060 them with confidence

01:21:08.760 because I've seen

01:21:09.340 them work.

01:21:10.540 At age

01:21:11.480 23

01:21:12.400 or

01:21:14.240 a

01:21:14.980 young woman

01:21:15.800 I'm

01:21:20.400 at a loss.

01:21:22.360 I'm not

01:21:22.800 the best person

01:21:23.560 for you to ask.

01:21:24.800 I have very little

01:21:25.580 to offer

01:21:26.100 that I'm confident

01:21:27.440 will be effective

01:21:28.180 and

01:21:29.000 and

01:21:30.740 by the way

01:21:31.140 Dr.

01:21:31.740 Sachs

01:21:32.000 in that

01:21:32.340 interview

01:21:32.660 does lay out

01:21:33.460 some of

01:21:33.700 those strategies

01:21:34.240 for the

01:21:35.120 younger ages

01:21:35.840 if you

01:21:36.360 start to see

01:21:37.220 somebody

01:21:37.620 getting pulled

01:21:38.560 into this

01:21:38.980 as does

01:21:39.460 Debra

01:21:39.680 So

01:21:40.020 in her

01:21:40.780 book

01:21:41.120 Abigail

01:21:41.540 Schrier

01:21:41.960 does as well

01:21:42.960 but

01:21:43.180 what

01:21:44.380 about

01:21:45.060 this

01:21:45.320 situation

01:21:45.860 Debra

01:21:46.240 like

01:21:46.560 the

01:21:47.140 23

01:21:47.580 year

01:21:47.800 old

01:21:47.980 they're

01:21:48.300 almost

01:21:48.760 fully

01:21:49.120 cooked

01:21:49.480 they've

01:21:50.300 flown

01:21:50.680 the coop

01:21:51.180 they're

01:21:52.240 no longer

01:21:52.620 in your

01:21:52.900 house

01:21:53.180 every day

01:21:53.680 and now

01:21:54.380 in this

01:21:55.160 woman's

01:21:55.580 case

01:21:55.820 the daughter

01:21:56.200 is trying

01:21:56.520 to say

01:21:56.840 that she

01:21:57.340 thinks

01:21:57.580 she's

01:21:57.840 a boy

01:21:58.220 she's

01:21:58.560 a man

01:21:59.040 and the

01:21:59.900 mother

01:22:00.200 isn't

01:22:01.180 exactly

01:22:01.600 buying

01:22:01.960 it

01:22:02.240 yeah

01:22:04.140 it's

01:22:04.280 such a

01:22:04.580 heartbreaking

01:22:05.020 call

01:22:05.920 and it's

01:22:07.420 so typical

01:22:08.940 I would

01:22:09.260 say

01:22:09.520 in terms

01:22:09.920 of

01:22:10.260 what

01:22:10.660 I have

01:22:11.120 been

01:22:11.240 hearing

01:22:11.460 from

01:22:11.780 families

01:22:12.160 who

01:22:12.300 are

01:22:12.380 going

01:22:12.580 through

01:22:12.800 this

01:22:13.080 in

01:22:13.260 terms

01:22:13.520 of

01:22:13.820 things

01:22:14.780 that

01:22:15.180 the

01:22:15.360 child

01:22:15.560 is

01:22:15.740 presenting

01:22:16.120 with

01:22:16.340 so

01:22:16.640 I

01:22:16.760 want

01:22:16.920 to

01:22:17.000 start

01:22:17.180 by

01:22:17.360 saying

01:22:17.700 that

01:22:18.060 I

01:22:18.220 don't

01:22:18.380 do

01:22:18.520 clinical

01:22:18.760 work

01:22:19.040 anymore

01:22:19.400 I'm

01:22:20.080 basing

01:22:20.380 my

01:22:20.640 opinions

01:22:21.100 on

01:22:21.360 the

01:22:21.480 scientific

01:22:21.760 research

01:22:22.400 on

01:22:22.900 conversations

01:22:23.440 I've

01:22:23.740 had

01:22:23.940 with

01:22:24.220 my

01:22:24.460 colleagues

01:22:24.760 who

01:22:24.960 do

01:22:25.180 work

01:22:25.500 with

01:22:25.840 these

01:22:26.320 patients

01:22:26.760 who

01:22:26.940 have

01:22:27.100 gender

01:22:27.340 dysphoria

01:22:27.780 also

01:22:28.680 conversations

01:22:29.280 I've

01:22:29.760 had

01:22:29.920 with

01:22:30.060 families

01:22:30.380 who

01:22:30.560 are

01:22:30.600 going

01:22:30.760 through

01:22:30.940 this

01:22:31.200 and

01:22:31.520 discussions

01:22:32.160 I've

01:22:32.440 had

01:22:32.620 with

01:22:32.760 detransitioners

01:22:33.460 so

01:22:33.700 people

01:22:33.940 who

01:22:34.140 have

01:22:34.480 socially

01:22:35.240 and in

01:22:35.660 many

01:22:36.080 cases

01:22:36.320 medically

01:22:36.700 transitioned

01:22:37.280 and then

01:22:38.660 realized

01:22:39.200 that that

01:22:39.580 decision

01:22:39.940 was not

01:22:40.300 actually

01:22:40.580 right

01:22:40.840 for

01:22:41.000 them

01:22:41.200 and

01:22:41.720 they've

01:22:42.160 since

01:22:42.360 detransitioned

01:22:43.200 and returned

01:22:43.700 to living

01:22:44.420 as the

01:22:45.000 sex

01:22:45.260 they were

01:22:45.480 born

01:22:45.680 as

01:22:45.960 so

01:22:46.880 I

01:22:48.180 mean

01:22:48.360 once

01:22:49.120 the

01:22:49.560 child

01:22:49.860 is

01:22:50.240 adult

01:22:51.000 age

01:22:51.180 like

01:22:51.340 you

01:22:51.520 said

01:22:51.800 the

01:22:52.360 parents

01:22:52.700 are

01:22:52.940 really

01:22:53.280 their

01:22:54.680 hands

01:22:54.880 are tied

01:22:55.220 there's

01:22:55.460 not

01:22:55.640 anything

01:22:55.980 they

01:22:56.120 can

01:22:56.240 do

01:22:56.360 and

01:23:00.060 help

01:23:03.140 to

01:23:03.320 facilitate

01:23:03.720 a

01:23:03.920 transition

01:23:04.260 even

01:23:04.820 if

01:23:04.980 the

01:23:05.140 parents

01:23:05.380 are

01:23:05.500 not

01:23:05.680 on

01:23:05.880 board

01:23:06.060 with

01:23:06.220 that

01:23:06.400 and

01:23:06.580 you

01:23:06.660 have

01:23:06.860 things

01:23:07.200 like

01:23:07.400 sanctuary

01:23:08.000 states

01:23:08.400 becoming

01:23:08.780 more

01:23:09.840 prominent

01:23:10.800 in which

01:23:11.440 a child

01:23:12.060 can

01:23:12.300 actually

01:23:12.540 be

01:23:12.700 taken

01:23:12.940 by

01:23:13.180 an

01:23:13.400 adult

01:23:13.700 to

01:23:14.200 that

01:23:14.420 sanctuary

01:23:14.800 states

01:23:15.320 such

01:23:15.660 as

01:23:15.820 California

01:23:16.220 and

01:23:17.200 if

01:23:17.760 they

01:23:17.980 decide

01:23:18.280 to

01:23:18.400 transition

01:23:18.820 even

01:23:19.160 if

01:23:19.400 transition

01:23:20.020 is

01:23:20.340 not

01:23:20.680 supported

01:23:21.220 in

01:23:21.480 the

01:23:21.560 home

01:23:21.720 state

01:23:22.000 the

01:23:22.760 authorities

01:23:23.600 cannot

01:23:23.880 go

01:23:24.100 after

01:23:24.240 them

01:23:24.420 and

01:23:24.680 California

01:23:25.240 will

01:23:25.420 not

01:23:25.560 prosecute

01:23:26.020 either

01:23:26.280 so

01:23:26.880 in

01:23:27.380 terms

01:23:27.620 of

01:23:30.060 color

01:23:30.180 Amy

01:23:30.460 so

01:23:31.400 I

01:23:31.500 can't

01:23:31.680 speak

01:23:32.160 to

01:23:32.360 the

01:23:32.580 specifics

01:23:32.960 of

01:23:33.220 her

01:23:33.520 case

01:23:34.360 but

01:23:34.640 what

01:23:34.800 I

01:23:34.920 would

01:23:35.100 say

01:23:35.440 is

01:23:36.000 so

01:23:37.340 for

01:23:37.460 your

01:23:37.560 audience

01:23:37.760 I'm

01:23:37.900 sure

01:23:38.000 they

01:23:38.140 know

01:23:38.380 they've

01:23:38.860 heard us

01:23:40.020 talk

01:23:40.200 about

01:23:40.400 this

01:23:40.600 last

01:23:40.820 time

01:23:40.940 I was

01:23:41.060 on

01:23:41.160 your

01:23:41.280 show

01:23:41.500 but

01:23:42.140 rapid

01:23:42.380 onset

01:23:42.600 gender

01:23:42.900 dysphoria

01:23:43.280 this

01:23:43.760 is

01:23:44.080 a

01:23:44.560 phenomenon

01:23:45.260 in

01:23:45.600 which

01:23:45.960 young

01:23:46.580 people

01:23:46.900 predominantly

01:23:47.660 girls

01:23:48.540 and

01:23:48.740 young

01:23:48.900 women

01:23:49.160 are

01:23:49.880 coming

01:23:50.140 out

01:23:50.280 as

01:23:50.400 transgender

01:23:50.820 often

01:23:51.340 very

01:23:51.860 much

01:23:52.020 out

01:23:52.200 of

01:23:52.300 the

01:23:52.420 blue

01:23:52.680 no

01:23:53.380 previous

01:23:53.760 history

01:23:54.180 of

01:23:54.500 gender

01:24:00.060 sexism

01:24:07.660 history

01:24:08.440 of

01:24:08.580 sexual

01:24:08.860 trauma

01:24:09.360 if

01:24:10.300 they

01:24:10.420 are

01:24:10.520 on

01:24:10.660 the

01:24:10.760 autism

01:24:11.140 spectrum

01:24:11.680 if

01:24:12.280 they

01:24:12.440 are

01:24:12.700 lesbian

01:24:13.360 and

01:24:13.960 not

01:24:14.140 quite

01:24:14.360 comfortable

01:24:14.680 with

01:24:14.940 their

01:24:15.100 sexual

01:24:15.520 orientation

01:24:16.160 eating

01:24:17.140 disorders

01:24:17.720 other

01:24:18.100 mental

01:24:18.340 health

01:24:18.640 issues

01:24:19.180 personality

01:24:19.920 disorders

01:24:20.660 anxiety

01:24:21.860 depression

01:24:22.400 so

01:24:22.920 all of

01:24:23.600 these

01:24:23.840 things

01:24:24.340 or

01:24:25.360 even

01:24:25.660 I

01:24:25.860 would

01:24:25.980 say

01:24:26.160 just

01:24:26.440 not

01:24:27.200 really

01:24:27.560 feeling

01:24:27.920 like

01:24:28.140 they

01:24:28.300 are

01:24:28.440 a

01:24:28.580 typical

01:24:28.900 girly

01:24:29.320 girl

01:24:29.580 being

01:24:30.040 gender

01:24:30.300 non

01:24:30.500 conforming

01:24:31.060 they

01:24:31.560 think

01:24:31.920 that

01:24:32.160 life

01:24:32.400 would

01:24:32.560 be

01:24:32.680 better

01:24:32.900 for

01:24:33.120 them

01:24:33.320 as

01:24:33.620 male

01:24:33.900 or

01:24:34.200 as

01:24:34.400 a

01:24:34.520 third

01:24:34.680 gender

01:24:34.960 and

01:24:35.240 as

01:24:35.380 you

01:24:35.500 said

01:24:35.720 I

01:24:35.940 am

01:24:36.080 firmly

01:24:36.400 of

01:24:36.620 the

01:24:36.740 belief

01:24:37.160 based

01:24:37.840 on

01:24:37.940 the

01:24:38.080 scientific

01:24:38.380 research

01:24:38.900 there

01:24:39.120 are

01:24:39.260 two

01:24:39.380 genders

01:24:39.720 there's

01:24:40.040 no

01:24:40.140 such

01:24:40.360 thing

01:24:40.580 as

01:24:40.720 being

01:24:40.920 a

01:24:41.060 third

01:24:41.200 gender

01:24:41.480 or

01:24:41.620 non

01:24:41.780 binary

01:24:42.040 so

01:24:42.960 what

01:24:44.140 I

01:24:44.280 would

01:24:44.440 say

01:24:44.800 is

01:24:45.920 I

01:24:46.760 think

01:24:46.920 therapy

01:24:47.260 can

01:24:47.660 be

01:24:47.840 very

01:24:48.100 helpful

01:24:48.440 I

01:24:49.360 would

01:24:49.560 say

01:24:50.040 if

01:24:50.380 a

01:24:51.120 parent

01:24:51.460 is

01:24:51.680 in

01:24:51.800 this

01:24:59.580 to

01:24:59.680 be

01:24:59.780 strained

01:25:00.200 and

01:25:00.760 so

01:25:00.920 that's

01:25:01.220 why

01:25:01.340 the

01:25:01.500 child

01:25:01.700 initially

01:25:02.040 will

01:25:02.240 go

01:25:02.540 on

01:25:02.840 to

01:25:02.960 social

01:25:03.260 media

01:25:03.660 go

01:25:03.960 on

01:25:04.160 to

01:25:04.240 the

01:25:04.340 internet

01:25:04.620 trying

01:25:04.920 to

01:25:05.080 make

01:25:05.220 sense

01:25:05.520 of

01:25:05.680 the

01:25:05.780 way

01:25:05.880 that

01:25:06.120 they're

01:25:06.760 feeling

01:25:07.220 and

01:25:08.100 they

01:25:08.220 don't

01:25:08.420 necessarily

01:25:08.760 have

01:25:09.020 that

01:25:09.460 support

01:25:10.320 where

01:25:10.640 they

01:25:10.740 can

01:25:10.900 go

01:25:11.120 to

01:25:11.420 a

01:25:11.600 trusted

01:25:11.920 adult

01:25:12.380 so

01:25:12.780 what

01:25:12.920 happens

01:25:13.280 instead

01:25:13.600 is

01:25:13.780 they

01:25:13.880 come

01:25:14.140 across

01:25:14.400 gender

01:25:14.700 ideology

01:25:15.240 on

01:25:15.480 the

01:25:15.580 internet

01:25:15.820 that

01:25:16.020 tells

01:25:16.360 them

01:25:16.600 basically

01:25:17.240 for

01:25:17.540 anyone

01:25:17.840 who

01:25:18.020 is

01:25:18.120 uncomfortable

01:25:18.480 with

01:25:18.820 in

01:25:19.000 their

01:25:19.120 body

01:25:19.460 which

01:25:19.960 is

01:25:20.120 very

01:25:20.380 common

01:25:20.740 especially

01:25:21.080 for

01:25:21.360 young

01:25:21.560 women

01:25:21.780 or

01:25:21.940 maybe

01:25:22.100 they

01:25:22.240 don't

01:25:22.440 like

01:25:22.600 being

01:25:22.760 sexualized

01:25:23.280 by

01:25:23.520 society

01:25:23.960 they

01:25:24.560 see

01:25:24.720 these

01:25:24.920 images

01:25:25.160 on

01:25:25.400 social

01:25:25.680 media

01:25:25.940 and

01:25:26.060 they

01:25:26.160 think

01:25:26.360 that's

01:25:26.960 what

01:25:27.040 I'm

01:25:27.180 supposed

01:25:27.340 to

01:25:27.500 look

01:25:27.700 like

01:25:27.900 that's

01:25:28.180 how

01:25:28.280 I'm

01:25:28.400 supposed

01:25:28.560 to

01:25:28.700 behave

01:25:29.020 I'm

01:25:29.220 supposed

01:25:29.340 to

01:25:29.400 be

01:25:29.500 very

01:25:29.760 sexual

01:25:30.240 and

01:25:30.520 enjoy

01:25:31.160 that

01:25:31.380 sexualization

01:25:32.180 if

01:25:32.700 they

01:25:32.880 don't

01:25:33.300 they

01:25:33.460 think

01:25:33.660 I

01:25:33.920 must

01:25:34.140 not

01:25:34.300 be

01:25:34.480 female

01:25:34.920 and

01:25:35.960 so

01:25:36.160 I

01:25:36.640 would

01:25:36.780 say

01:25:36.960 for

01:25:37.220 say

01:25:37.820 a

01:25:37.940 child

01:25:38.180 who

01:25:38.340 has

01:25:49.460 process

01:25:49.880 myself

01:25:50.360 and

01:25:51.160 you

01:25:51.400 know

01:25:51.520 it's

01:25:52.060 not

01:25:52.620 only

01:25:52.820 is

01:25:52.920 your

01:25:53.040 body

01:25:53.260 changing

01:25:53.740 you

01:25:54.120 know

01:25:54.220 the

01:25:54.360 way

01:25:54.560 society

01:25:55.000 looks

01:25:55.280 at

01:25:55.460 you

01:25:55.580 is

01:25:55.700 changing

01:25:56.140 and

01:25:57.200 these

01:25:58.240 are

01:25:58.340 all

01:25:58.440 very

01:25:58.600 normal

01:25:58.900 feelings

01:25:59.340 to

01:25:59.480 have

01:25:59.700 I

01:25:59.860 would

01:25:59.980 also

01:26:00.200 say

01:26:00.400 menstruation

01:26:01.120 is

01:26:02.560 again

01:26:03.120 not

01:26:03.460 the

01:26:03.680 greatest

01:26:04.000 funnest

01:26:04.600 thing

01:26:04.780 to be

01:26:05.020 going

01:26:05.280 through

01:26:05.600 but

01:26:06.260 that's

01:26:06.640 just

01:26:06.880 a

01:26:07.020 part

01:26:07.160 of

01:26:07.280 womanhood

01:26:07.660 and

01:26:07.800 I

01:26:07.900 would

01:26:08.020 say

01:26:08.140 it's

01:26:08.220 something

01:26:08.400 that

01:26:08.620 we

01:26:08.780 as

01:26:08.940 women

01:26:09.080 should

01:26:09.240 be

01:26:09.620 proud

01:26:09.840 of

01:26:09.940 that

01:26:10.040 we

01:26:10.180 have

01:26:10.520 the

01:26:11.200 capability

01:26:11.680 to

01:26:12.240 carry

01:26:13.040 children

01:26:13.420 and

01:26:14.060 so

01:26:14.400 all

01:26:15.960 that

01:26:16.180 is

01:26:16.320 to

01:26:16.460 say

01:26:16.720 I

01:26:17.520 think

01:26:17.820 therapy

01:26:18.520 with

01:26:19.160 the

01:26:19.820 parent

01:26:20.240 and

01:26:20.460 the

01:26:20.580 child

01:26:20.780 together

01:26:21.320 will

01:26:22.620 be

01:26:22.720 helpful

01:26:22.920 I'll

01:26:23.100 go

01:26:23.240 into

01:26:23.460 my

01:26:23.980 suggestions

01:26:24.380 in terms

01:26:24.740 of how

01:26:24.900 to

01:26:25.020 find

01:26:25.240 a

01:26:25.380 good

01:26:25.480 therapist

01:26:25.760 but

01:26:26.400 I

01:26:26.480 would

01:26:26.580 say

01:26:26.780 therapy

01:26:27.520 together

01:26:27.900 would

01:26:28.120 be

01:26:28.220 quite

01:26:28.440 helpful

01:26:28.740 and

01:26:29.180 then

01:26:29.300 I

01:26:29.420 would

01:26:29.580 also

01:26:29.820 say

01:26:30.060 therapy

01:26:30.400 for

01:26:30.840 the

01:26:31.220 child

01:26:31.600 with

01:26:32.020 the

01:26:32.180 therapist

01:26:32.560 alone

01:26:32.960 like

01:26:33.260 one

01:26:33.460 on

01:26:33.560 one

01:26:33.720 therapy

01:26:33.960 would

01:26:34.140 probably

01:26:34.360 also

01:26:34.620 be

01:26:34.820 helpful

01:26:35.100 if

01:26:35.820 possible

01:26:36.220 because

01:26:41.200 you

01:26:43.000 want

01:26:43.260 to

01:26:43.380 mend

01:26:43.680 that

01:26:43.900 relationship

01:26:44.360 as

01:26:44.560 much

01:26:44.720 as

01:26:44.860 possible

01:26:45.340 and

01:26:45.880 also

01:26:46.260 for

01:26:46.480 the

01:26:46.640 child

01:26:46.960 if

01:26:47.180 they

01:26:47.420 are

01:26:47.680 struggling

01:26:48.020 with

01:26:48.260 their

01:26:48.460 sexual

01:26:48.760 orientation

01:26:49.300 or

01:26:49.900 other

01:26:50.100 mental

01:26:50.300 health

01:26:50.580 issues

01:26:50.960 they're

01:26:51.440 probably

01:26:51.640 things

01:26:51.900 that

01:26:52.000 they

01:26:52.120 want

01:26:52.440 to

01:26:52.640 or

01:26:52.800 would

01:26:52.920 benefit

01:26:53.240 from

01:26:53.720 talking

01:26:54.040 about

01:26:54.240 with

01:26:54.420 a

01:26:54.600 therapist

01:26:54.920 that

01:26:55.480 they

01:26:55.620 don't

01:26:55.880 necessarily

01:26:56.220 want

01:26:56.440 their

01:26:56.560 parents

01:26:56.860 in

01:26:56.980 the

01:26:57.080 room

01:26:57.320 listening

01:26:58.180 to

01:26:58.360 them

01:26:58.480 talk

01:26:58.680 about

01:26:58.880 these

01:26:59.060 issues

01:26:59.320 at

01:26:59.500 the

01:26:59.640 same

01:26:59.800 time

01:27:00.180 so

01:27:00.660 that

01:27:00.800 would

01:27:00.900 be

01:27:01.000 my

01:27:01.160 suggestion

01:27:01.620 in

01:27:02.660 terms

01:27:02.840 of

01:27:03.000 finding

01:27:03.260 a

01:27:03.420 good

01:27:03.620 clinician

01:27:04.240 that

01:27:05.060 is

01:27:05.180 going

01:27:05.300 to

01:27:05.360 be

01:27:05.460 another

01:27:05.700 challenge

01:27:06.620 unfortunately

01:27:07.400 because

01:27:09.660 of

01:27:10.660 so-called

01:27:11.760 conversion

01:27:12.180 therapy

01:27:12.740 bans

01:27:13.340 so

01:27:14.120 in

01:27:14.460 the

01:27:14.620 US

01:27:14.900 you guys

01:27:15.240 have

01:27:15.380 this

01:27:15.540 in

01:27:15.700 25

01:27:16.000 states

01:27:16.400 where

01:27:16.780 activists

01:27:18.040 have

01:27:18.360 been

01:27:18.460 very

01:27:18.680 smart

01:27:18.940 to

01:27:19.100 conflate

01:27:19.500 gender

01:27:19.780 identity

01:27:20.160 with

01:27:20.660 sexual

01:27:21.200 orientation

01:27:21.680 so

01:27:22.740 sexual

01:27:23.600 orientation

01:27:24.340 cannot be

01:27:24.980 changed

01:27:25.400 so

01:27:25.640 if

01:27:26.080 someone

01:27:26.300 is

01:27:26.520 gay

01:27:26.920 or

01:27:27.420 bisexual

01:27:27.920 they

01:27:28.240 can't

01:27:28.460 be

01:27:28.540 made

01:27:28.660 to

01:27:28.800 be

01:27:28.940 straight

01:27:29.300 but

01:27:29.860 gender

01:27:30.060 identity

01:27:30.420 is

01:27:30.620 different

01:27:30.900 it

01:27:31.180 can

01:27:31.320 change

01:27:31.600 over

01:27:31.740 the

01:27:31.880 life span

01:27:32.300 especially

01:27:32.620 in

01:27:32.780 children

01:27:32.980 and

01:27:33.880 so

01:27:34.080 what

01:27:34.220 happens

01:27:34.460 now

01:27:34.740 is

01:27:34.860 clinicians

01:27:35.200 are

01:27:35.620 terrified

01:27:35.940 to

01:27:36.400 question

01:27:36.940 anyone

01:27:37.240 who

01:27:37.420 comes

01:27:37.720 in

01:27:37.940 saying

01:27:38.140 they

01:27:38.260 have

01:27:38.380 issues

01:27:38.640 with

01:27:38.860 their

01:27:39.000 gender

01:27:39.260 or

01:27:39.860 that

01:27:40.020 they're

01:27:40.180 experiencing

01:27:40.560 gender

01:27:40.860 dysphoria

01:27:41.280 because

01:27:41.680 they can

01:27:42.080 potentially

01:27:42.380 have

01:27:42.540 their

01:27:42.680 license

01:27:43.200 taken

01:27:44.420 away

01:27:44.740 you know

01:27:45.860 in

01:27:46.360 Canada

01:27:46.620 we have

01:27:47.220 now

01:27:47.580 a new

01:27:47.840 law

01:27:48.100 where

01:27:48.560 a

01:27:49.300 clinician

01:27:49.560 can

01:27:50.020 be

01:27:50.340 imprisoned

01:27:50.700 potentially

01:27:51.200 for up

01:27:51.620 to

01:27:51.720 five

01:27:51.940 years

01:27:52.320 if

01:27:52.620 they

01:27:52.880 do

01:27:53.140 not

01:27:53.360 affirm

01:27:53.740 so

01:27:54.820 you

01:27:54.960 have

01:27:55.080 clinicians

01:27:55.380 who

01:27:55.620 are

01:27:55.720 understandably

01:27:56.300 intimidated

01:28:01.880 will go

01:28:02.140 after

01:28:02.320 this

01:28:02.500 person

01:28:02.800 and

01:28:02.980 try

01:28:03.120 to

01:28:03.280 ruin

01:28:03.460 them

01:28:03.600 both

01:28:03.940 professionally

01:28:04.580 and

01:28:05.040 in

01:28:05.180 terms

01:28:05.340 of

01:28:05.460 their

01:28:05.580 personal

01:28:05.880 reputation

01:28:06.380 so

01:28:07.480 you

01:28:08.300 have

01:28:08.500 that

01:28:08.900 and

01:28:09.520 then

01:28:09.660 also

01:28:10.020 I

01:28:10.300 would

01:28:10.460 say

01:28:10.860 if

01:28:12.060 you

01:28:12.300 can

01:28:12.520 be

01:28:12.880 open

01:28:13.240 to

01:28:13.680 telehealth

01:28:14.320 so

01:28:14.740 just

01:28:14.920 because

01:28:15.300 a

01:28:15.560 clinician

01:28:15.820 is

01:28:16.000 not

01:28:16.140 necessarily

01:28:16.540 operating

01:28:17.040 in

01:28:17.940 your

01:28:18.680 state

01:28:19.060 or

01:28:19.220 your

01:28:19.360 country

01:28:19.800 doesn't

01:28:20.460 mean

01:28:20.580 you

01:28:20.740 aren't

01:28:20.880 able

01:28:21.040 to

01:28:21.220 find

01:28:21.460 good

01:28:21.900 help

01:28:22.220 I

01:28:23.320 would

01:28:23.480 say

01:28:23.780 look

01:28:24.180 at

01:28:24.960 a

01:28:25.760 prospective

01:28:26.320 clinician's

01:28:27.180 social

01:28:27.540 media

01:28:27.860 look at

01:28:28.320 their

01:28:28.480 publications

01:28:31.880 it's

01:28:32.180 often

01:28:32.380 behind

01:28:32.540 a

01:28:32.660 paywall

01:28:32.900 but

01:28:33.040 if

01:28:33.180 you

01:28:33.300 can

01:28:33.540 it's

01:28:33.760 helpful

01:28:34.060 to

01:28:34.540 get

01:28:34.660 a

01:28:34.760 sense

01:28:34.940 of

01:28:35.100 what

01:28:35.340 is

01:28:35.640 their

01:28:36.080 approach

01:28:37.300 are

01:28:37.780 they

01:28:38.040 woke

01:28:38.480 are

01:28:38.780 they

01:28:38.960 buying

01:28:39.420 all

01:28:39.640 this

01:28:39.820 gender

01:28:40.060 ideology

01:28:40.680 it's

01:28:41.800 difficult

01:28:42.160 for

01:28:42.380 parents

01:28:42.620 to

01:28:42.780 really

01:28:42.920 know

01:28:43.080 what

01:28:43.340 goes

01:28:43.640 on

01:28:44.120 in

01:28:44.940 the

01:28:45.380 room

01:28:45.980 during

01:28:46.240 therapy

01:28:46.600 because

01:28:47.080 clinicians

01:28:47.600 the

01:28:48.040 woke

01:28:48.240 ones

01:28:48.660 will

01:28:49.800 lie

01:28:50.220 they

01:28:50.440 will

01:28:50.600 outright

01:28:51.000 lie

01:28:51.340 to

01:28:51.520 parents

01:28:51.900 and

01:28:52.200 say

01:28:52.460 oh

01:28:52.720 we

01:28:52.960 I'm

01:28:53.280 definitely

01:28:53.540 going

01:28:53.760 to

01:28:53.960 address

01:28:54.300 your

01:28:54.520 concerns

01:28:55.060 and

01:28:55.360 all

01:28:55.480 this

01:28:55.780 comorbidity

01:28:56.920 and

01:28:57.320 the

01:28:57.440 minute

01:28:57.560 the

01:28:57.720 parent

01:28:57.900 is

01:28:58.020 not

01:28:58.180 there

01:28:58.360 then

01:28:58.580 they

01:28:58.760 turn

01:28:59.200 around

01:28:59.400 and

01:28:59.560 they

01:28:59.660 affirm

01:28:59.900 the

01:29:00.060 child

01:29:00.300 they'll

01:29:00.760 say

01:29:00.880 to

01:29:00.980 the

01:29:01.100 child

01:29:01.300 right

01:29:01.580 okay

01:29:01.860 now

01:29:02.040 that

01:29:02.160 your

01:29:02.280 parent

01:29:02.480 is

01:29:02.620 gone

01:29:02.840 we're

01:29:03.720 going

01:29:03.820 to

01:29:03.920 talk

01:29:04.160 about

01:29:04.420 what

01:29:04.800 you

01:29:04.920 want

01:29:05.060 to

01:29:05.140 talk

01:29:05.320 about

01:29:05.620 um

01:29:07.040 when

01:29:07.740 you

01:29:07.860 say

01:29:08.040 what

01:29:08.620 what

01:29:08.960 country

01:29:09.680 could

01:29:09.940 they

01:29:10.160 go

01:29:10.780 to

01:29:11.000 I

01:29:11.140 mean

01:29:11.240 Canada

01:29:11.520 is

01:29:11.640 no

01:29:11.780 better

01:29:11.960 than

01:29:12.160 the

01:29:12.280 United

01:29:12.460 States

01:29:12.800 like

01:29:13.040 you

01:29:13.720 don't

01:29:13.840 want

01:29:13.960 to

01:29:14.080 go

01:29:14.340 to

01:29:14.460 Iran

01:29:15.100 you

01:29:16.080 know

01:29:16.240 we

01:29:16.820 don't

01:29:17.420 want

01:29:17.520 to

01:29:17.560 over

01:29:17.740 correct

01:29:18.080 but

01:29:18.360 what

01:29:18.540 are

01:29:18.640 the

01:29:18.740 countries

01:29:19.060 where

01:29:19.360 the

01:29:20.020 standard

01:29:20.320 is

01:29:20.500 not

01:29:20.700 to

01:29:20.840 just

01:29:21.120 affirm

01:29:21.540 affirm

01:29:21.840 affirm

01:29:22.160 where

01:29:22.340 you

01:29:22.440 might

01:29:22.600 get

01:29:22.800 actual

01:29:23.560 measured

01:29:25.540 caring

01:29:26.640 smart

01:29:27.560 advice

01:29:28.120 I

01:29:29.880 would

01:29:30.060 say

01:29:30.240 it's

01:29:30.400 about

01:29:30.580 the

01:29:30.720 individual

01:29:31.080 clinician

01:29:31.520 more

01:29:31.780 so

01:29:32.000 than

01:29:32.160 the

01:29:32.300 country

01:29:32.660 and

01:29:32.920 you

01:29:33.080 want

01:29:33.340 to

01:29:33.540 try

01:29:34.000 and

01:29:34.380 find

01:29:34.560 a

01:29:34.640 clinician

01:29:34.900 who's

01:29:35.240 more

01:29:35.420 experienced

01:29:36.020 probably

01:29:36.980 closer

01:29:37.400 to

01:29:37.640 retirement

01:29:38.120 so

01:29:38.680 they

01:29:38.860 are

01:29:39.560 less

01:29:40.360 they

01:29:40.840 are

01:29:41.140 not

01:29:41.280 buying

01:29:41.580 into

01:29:41.760 the

01:29:41.880 woke

01:29:42.020 ideology

01:29:42.520 they're

01:29:43.080 more

01:29:43.220 confident

01:29:43.620 in

01:29:43.960 their

01:29:44.080 practice

01:29:44.480 and

01:29:45.340 they

01:29:45.520 also

01:29:45.740 don't

01:29:45.920 care

01:29:46.120 if

01:29:46.240 they

01:29:46.340 get

01:29:46.460 fired

01:29:46.680 because

01:29:46.880 they're

01:29:47.060 close

01:29:47.240 to

01:29:47.340 retirement

01:29:47.740 and

01:29:48.060 that's

01:29:48.500 just

01:29:48.660 the

01:29:48.920 unfortunate

01:29:49.980 reality

01:29:50.540 about

01:29:51.100 it

01:29:51.320 so

01:29:52.100 I

01:29:52.400 would

01:29:52.520 also

01:29:52.700 say

01:29:52.880 because

01:29:53.160 younger

01:29:53.440 clinicians

01:29:53.820 because

01:29:54.180 they

01:29:54.360 are

01:29:54.460 less

01:29:54.660 experienced

01:29:55.260 if

01:29:55.740 they're

01:29:55.860 newly

01:29:56.100 licensed

01:29:56.640 they're

01:29:56.980 more

01:29:57.180 afraid

01:29:57.420 of

01:29:57.740 losing

01:29:58.060 their

01:29:58.240 license

01:29:58.600 and

01:29:58.760 all

01:29:58.860 that

01:29:58.960 they

01:29:59.040 worked

01:29:59.340 for

01:29:59.580 they've

01:30:00.220 gone

01:30:00.660 through

01:30:01.060 grad

01:30:01.400 school

01:30:01.560 they

01:30:01.680 probably

01:30:01.880 have

01:30:02.000 lots

01:30:02.160 of

01:30:02.320 debt

01:30:02.560 they

01:30:02.740 just

01:30:03.200 want

01:30:03.360 to

01:30:03.460 be

01:30:03.560 working

01:30:03.860 and

01:30:04.420 they

01:30:04.540 probably

01:30:04.820 also

01:30:05.220 are

01:30:05.400 not

01:30:05.680 as

01:30:06.060 sure

01:30:06.760 what

01:30:07.740 the

01:30:07.880 right

01:30:08.060 thing

01:30:08.220 to

01:30:08.360 do

01:30:08.540 is

01:30:08.760 with

01:30:08.980 their

01:30:09.160 patients

01:30:09.600 in

01:30:09.800 terms

01:30:10.000 of

01:30:10.140 is

01:30:10.380 it

01:30:10.520 actually

01:30:10.860 okay

01:30:11.160 to

01:30:11.340 question

01:30:11.700 because

01:30:12.200 what

01:30:12.380 they're

01:30:12.540 being

01:30:12.720 told

01:30:13.180 from

01:30:13.700 pretty

01:30:13.920 much

01:30:14.140 everybody

01:30:14.780 except

01:30:15.380 for

01:30:15.580 bigots

01:30:15.880 like

01:30:16.060 me

01:30:16.340 is

01:30:17.200 that

01:30:17.500 unless

01:30:18.140 you

01:30:18.300 affirm

01:30:18.680 a

01:30:19.240 person

01:30:19.640 a

01:30:19.840 child

01:30:20.080 or

01:30:20.240 an

01:30:20.620 adult

01:30:20.880 is

01:30:21.080 at

01:30:21.220 a

01:30:21.300 high

01:30:21.480 risk

01:30:21.840 of

01:30:22.640 dying

01:30:23.740 by

01:30:23.920 suicide

01:30:24.220 so

01:30:24.960 they're

01:30:25.240 very

01:30:25.480 scared

01:30:25.860 and

01:30:26.280 I've

01:30:26.480 had

01:30:26.600 many

01:30:26.760 conversations

01:30:27.280 with

01:30:27.600 them

01:30:27.780 they

01:30:28.020 actually

01:30:28.320 don't

01:30:28.600 know

01:30:28.800 even

01:30:28.960 if

01:30:29.080 they

01:30:29.180 read

01:30:29.420 the

01:30:29.560 scientific

01:30:29.900 research

01:30:30.380 they

01:30:30.580 say

01:30:30.780 well

01:30:30.900 I

01:30:31.000 don't

01:30:31.100 know

01:30:31.260 is

01:30:31.620 this

01:30:31.860 outdated

01:30:32.320 and

01:30:33.080 when

01:30:33.320 you

01:30:33.420 have

01:30:33.620 all

01:30:33.740 the

01:30:33.880 professional

01:30:34.300 bodies

01:30:34.840 and

01:30:35.620 scientific

01:30:36.120 papers

01:30:36.600 telling

01:30:37.080 you

01:30:37.400 that

01:30:37.960 that

01:30:38.240 research

01:30:38.500 is

01:30:38.720 outdated

01:30:39.060 and

01:30:39.440 you

01:30:39.600 shouldn't

01:30:39.820 listen

01:30:40.040 to

01:30:40.300 it

01:30:40.480 it

01:30:41.000 can

01:30:41.260 be

01:30:41.380 very

01:30:41.540 confusing

01:30:41.920 I

01:30:42.100 would

01:30:42.200 say

01:30:42.340 even

01:30:42.560 for

01:30:42.760 professionals

01:30:43.240 in

01:30:43.480 the

01:30:43.600 field

01:30:43.860 so

01:30:44.660 I

01:30:45.720 would

01:30:45.840 say

01:30:46.020 you

01:30:46.160 can

01:30:46.480 also

01:30:46.820 most

01:30:47.620 clinicians

01:30:47.980 will

01:30:56.480 most

01:30:58.520 will

01:30:58.680 be

01:30:58.800 open

01:30:59.000 to

01:30:59.120 having

01:30:59.380 a

01:30:59.660 phone

01:31:00.040 call

01:31:00.280 so

01:31:00.440 you

01:31:00.580 can

01:31:00.800 as

01:31:01.320 a

01:31:01.420 parent

01:31:01.600 call

01:31:01.940 and

01:31:02.500 try

01:31:02.660 to

01:31:02.800 get

01:31:02.920 a

01:31:03.060 sense

01:31:03.300 of

01:31:03.420 what

01:31:03.560 that

01:31:03.720 person

01:31:04.020 is

01:31:04.220 like

01:31:04.560 what

01:31:04.940 type

01:31:05.200 of

01:31:05.380 approaches

01:31:05.780 do

01:31:06.000 they

01:31:06.160 use

01:31:06.520 but

01:31:07.240 it

01:31:07.500 can

01:31:07.820 be

01:31:07.960 tricky

01:31:08.260 I

01:31:08.580 would

01:31:08.900 just

01:31:09.060 say

01:31:09.260 definitely

01:31:10.060 if

01:31:10.880 they're

01:31:11.100 not

01:31:11.340 openly

01:31:11.960 screaming

01:31:12.700 about

01:31:12.960 wokeness

01:31:13.420 and

01:31:13.560 affirmation

01:31:14.420 probably

01:31:16.100 more

01:31:16.800 likely

01:31:17.160 that

01:31:17.360 they're

01:31:17.560 politically

01:31:17.960 neutral

01:31:18.340 a little

01:31:18.720 bit

01:31:19.020 more

01:31:19.220 reasonable

01:31:19.700 not

01:31:20.100 always

01:31:20.440 so

01:31:20.800 crazy

01:31:21.360 that

01:31:22.580 we

01:31:22.680 have

01:31:26.480 good

01:31:27.040 medical

01:31:27.380 care

01:31:27.740 thank

01:31:29.400 you

01:31:29.560 for

01:31:29.720 that

01:31:29.920 I

01:31:30.100 hope

01:31:30.280 that's

01:31:30.500 helpful

01:31:30.720 to

01:31:30.880 Amy

01:31:31.120 I

01:31:31.280 hope

01:31:31.420 you're

01:31:31.560 listening

01:31:31.920 and

01:31:32.280 I

01:31:32.380 hope

01:31:32.500 that's

01:31:32.740 helpful

01:31:32.980 to

01:31:33.180 you

01:31:33.420 the

01:31:33.720 joint

01:31:34.020 therapy

01:31:34.360 sounds

01:31:34.620 like

01:31:34.760 a

01:31:34.880 wonderful

01:31:35.200 start

01:31:35.640 the

01:31:35.900 rebuild

01:31:36.240 trust

01:31:36.560 between

01:31:36.860 the

01:31:37.120 two

01:31:37.300 of

01:31:37.460 you

01:31:37.720 maybe

01:31:38.660 she'll

01:31:38.880 start

01:31:39.080 listening

01:31:39.420 to

01:31:39.640 you

01:31:39.940 and

01:31:40.400 individual

01:31:41.120 therapy

01:31:41.520 for

01:31:41.840 you

01:31:42.060 too

01:31:42.340 girl

01:31:43.140 like

01:31:43.600 me

01:31:43.860 I've

01:31:44.380 been

01:31:44.520 going

01:31:44.660 for

01:31:44.800 years

01:31:45.020 and I

01:31:45.240 highly

01:31:45.460 recommend

01:31:45.860 it

01:31:46.080 it

01:31:46.380 it

01:31:46.540 to

01:31:46.600 give

01:31:46.760 to

01:31:47.140 yourself

01:31:47.540 while

01:31:49.060 I

01:31:56.480 such

01:31:56.740 an

01:31:56.880 eye

01:31:57.100 opener

01:31:57.380 for

01:31:57.860 me

01:31:58.040 we

01:31:58.380 had

01:31:58.540 covered

01:31:58.780 that

01:31:59.120 17

01:31:59.680 year

01:31:59.860 old

01:32:00.140 girl

01:32:00.820 at

01:32:01.160 the

01:32:01.280 YMCA

01:32:01.760 in

01:32:01.960 California

01:32:02.380 who

01:32:02.580 was

01:32:02.720 horrified

01:32:03.120 to

01:32:03.300 see

01:32:03.420 a

01:32:03.540 male

01:32:03.700 penis

01:32:04.020 whipping

01:32:04.320 by

01:32:04.580 her

01:32:04.820 as

01:32:05.520 she

01:32:05.680 tried

01:32:05.880 to

01:32:05.980 get

01:32:06.100 changed

01:32:06.520 in

01:32:06.820 the

01:32:07.000 women's

01:32:07.560 locker

01:32:07.840 room

01:32:08.360 and

01:32:08.580 the

01:32:08.900 YMCA

01:32:09.400 said

01:32:09.640 well

01:32:09.800 too

01:32:09.960 bad

01:32:10.140 it's

01:32:10.280 a

01:32:10.380 trans

01:32:10.640 woman

01:32:10.900 and

01:32:11.340 you're

01:32:11.460 going

01:32:11.520 to

01:32:11.640 deal

01:32:11.880 with

01:32:12.040 it

01:32:12.220 and

01:32:13.080 eventually

01:32:13.640 was

01:32:13.920 shamed

01:32:14.420 into

01:32:14.700 kind

01:32:15.180 of

01:32:15.260 giving

01:32:15.400 the

01:32:15.600 17

01:32:15.920 year

01:32:16.080 old

01:32:26.480 it

01:32:27.240 is

01:32:27.380 important

01:32:27.840 to

01:32:28.400 mention

01:32:28.760 that

01:32:29.440 transgender

01:32:30.000 women

01:32:30.460 typically

01:32:31.420 go to

01:32:31.900 great

01:32:32.180 lengths

01:32:32.580 to

01:32:33.260 look

01:32:33.600 like

01:32:34.220 women

01:32:34.660 they

01:32:35.500 would

01:32:35.860 not

01:32:36.120 feel

01:32:36.380 comfortable

01:32:36.980 displaying

01:32:37.700 a nude

01:32:38.360 preoperative

01:32:39.180 body

01:32:39.620 or male

01:32:40.500 genitalia

01:32:41.280 in public

01:32:41.960 because

01:32:42.560 doing so

01:32:43.220 would be

01:32:43.740 dysphoria

01:32:44.620 inducing

01:32:45.480 you're

01:32:46.480 trying to

01:32:46.940 raise the

01:32:47.240 point

01:32:47.520 that

01:32:48.440 most of

01:32:49.200 the

01:32:49.280 people

01:32:49.460 who

01:32:49.600 want

01:32:49.780 to

01:32:49.840 be

01:32:49.960 seen

01:32:50.160 like

01:32:50.360 that

01:32:50.540 or

01:32:50.700 would

01:32:50.840 allow

01:32:51.040 themselves

01:32:51.380 to

01:32:51.520 be

01:32:51.640 seen

01:32:51.780 like

01:32:51.940 that

01:32:52.060 in

01:32:52.140 the

01:32:52.180 women's

01:32:52.440 locker

01:32:52.640 room

01:32:52.820 with

01:32:52.920 a

01:32:53.040 penis

01:32:53.400 are

01:32:54.260 not

01:32:54.800 legitimate

01:32:55.320 trans

01:32:55.760 people

01:32:56.140 who

01:32:56.340 we

01:32:56.500 should

01:32:56.620 be

01:32:56.760 supporting

01:32:57.220 and

01:32:57.860 sort

01:32:59.060 of

01:32:59.900 they

01:33:00.400 are

01:33:00.660 people

01:33:00.980 who

01:33:01.160 we

01:33:01.320 should

01:33:01.480 be

01:33:01.680 somewhat

01:33:01.980 suspicious

01:33:02.420 of

01:33:02.760 yes

01:33:04.700 and

01:33:04.960 just

01:33:05.160 I

01:33:05.440 want

01:33:05.560 to

01:33:05.640 follow

01:33:05.900 up

01:33:06.040 with

01:33:06.160 one

01:33:06.340 final

01:33:06.520 thing

01:33:06.740 for

01:33:06.900 parents

01:33:07.220 listening

01:33:07.660 regarding

01:33:08.260 what

01:33:08.420 we were

01:33:08.580 just

01:33:08.720 talking

01:33:09.000 about

01:33:09.280 be

01:33:10.160 there

01:33:10.320 for

01:33:10.420 your

01:33:10.540 child

01:33:10.780 even

01:33:10.980 if

01:33:11.140 the

01:33:11.240 child

01:33:11.420 wants

01:33:11.620 nothing

01:33:11.840 to

01:33:12.020 do

01:33:12.180 with

01:33:12.340 you

01:33:12.480 because

01:33:12.800 at

01:33:13.020 some

01:33:13.360 point

01:33:13.680 if

01:33:14.200 this

01:33:14.380 was

01:33:14.500 not

01:33:14.620 the

01:33:14.740 right

01:33:14.860 choice

01:33:15.080 for

01:33:15.260 them

01:33:15.480 they

01:33:15.840 will

01:33:16.260 decide

01:33:17.140 to

01:33:17.300 de-transition

01:33:17.860 they

01:33:18.060 need

01:33:18.260 all

01:33:18.520 the

01:33:18.680 support

01:33:18.920 they

01:33:19.060 can

01:33:19.200 get

01:33:19.380 because

01:33:19.660 all

01:33:19.920 of

01:33:20.080 their

01:33:20.340 friends

01:33:20.980 so-called

01:33:21.380 friends

01:33:21.820 all the

01:33:22.560 professional

01:33:23.000 support

01:33:23.320 that they

01:33:23.560 had

01:33:23.880 while they

01:33:24.200 were

01:33:24.320 trans

01:33:24.680 they

01:33:24.860 will

01:33:25.000 lose

01:33:25.320 and so

01:33:25.920 if you

01:33:26.120 are there

01:33:26.380 they don't

01:33:27.600 want

01:33:27.800 anything

01:33:28.060 to do

01:33:28.300 with

01:33:28.400 you

01:33:28.560 yeah

01:33:29.520 I think

01:33:29.820 that's

01:33:30.060 important

01:33:30.360 but with

01:33:30.780 regard to

01:33:31.280 my piece

01:33:31.640 on the

01:33:31.820 Washington

01:33:32.080 examiner

01:33:32.600 definitely

01:33:33.120 I mean

01:33:33.420 I was so

01:33:34.240 horrified

01:33:34.500 because I

01:33:34.900 was thinking

01:33:35.400 this is

01:33:36.080 doing such

01:33:36.520 a disservice

01:33:37.160 to women

01:33:38.000 and girls

01:33:38.620 in terms

01:33:39.120 of their

01:33:40.120 physical

01:33:40.520 safety

01:33:40.940 but also

01:33:47.300 your

01:33:47.860 genitalia

01:33:48.820 in a

01:33:49.520 public

01:33:49.680 place

01:33:50.060 knowing

01:33:50.400 that you

01:33:50.740 are in

01:33:51.020 a space

01:33:51.380 that is

01:33:51.680 designated

01:33:52.140 for the

01:33:53.240 opposite

01:33:53.520 sex

01:33:53.920 I just

01:33:55.260 don't see

01:33:55.540 a transgender

01:33:56.000 person

01:33:56.400 doing that

01:33:56.780 because

01:33:57.020 that's

01:33:57.400 highly

01:33:57.700 disrespectful

01:33:58.120 and it's

01:33:58.580 also

01:33:58.820 gender

01:33:59.160 dysphoria

01:34:00.000 inducing

01:34:00.460 in them

01:34:00.880 I think

01:34:01.380 this is

01:34:01.660 something

01:34:01.880 that

01:34:02.260 exhibitionists

01:34:03.800 would do

01:34:04.060 someone

01:34:04.260 who finds

01:34:04.740 it sexually

01:34:05.180 arousing

01:34:05.480 to expose

01:34:06.360 themselves

01:34:06.720 to unsuspecting

01:34:07.420 people

01:34:07.740 this is

01:34:08.460 something

01:34:08.640 that voyeurs

01:34:09.200 would do

01:34:10.060 rapists

01:34:11.080 and pedophiles

01:34:11.700 I mean

01:34:12.240 it's

01:34:12.460 actually

01:34:13.280 it boils

01:34:13.900 my blood

01:34:14.380 to think

01:34:14.860 about the

01:34:15.300 fact that

01:34:15.700 a minor

01:34:16.400 had to

01:34:16.880 experience

01:34:17.400 something

01:34:17.720 like this

01:34:18.220 and so

01:34:18.780 definitely

01:34:19.080 if you

01:34:19.700 are in

01:34:20.140 I'm just

01:34:20.680 saying

01:34:20.800 for people

01:34:21.160 listening

01:34:21.660 if you

01:34:22.300 are in

01:34:22.480 a space

01:34:22.800 and you

01:34:23.080 see someone

01:34:23.520 who looks

01:34:24.280 very much

01:34:25.040 like a

01:34:26.380 man

01:34:26.760 and especially

01:34:27.620 if they're

01:34:27.940 showing male

01:34:28.580 genitalia

01:34:29.240 that is not

01:34:30.140 a transgender

01:34:30.540 person

01:34:31.000 this is

01:34:31.380 probably

01:34:31.700 someone who

01:34:32.360 has a

01:34:33.680 course of

01:34:34.080 sexual

01:34:34.340 interest

01:34:34.740 someone who

01:34:35.420 is a

01:34:35.660 predator

01:34:35.920 and they

01:34:36.900 should not

01:34:37.240 be allowed

01:34:37.560 in women's

01:34:38.160 spaces

01:34:38.400 and they

01:34:38.720 should

01:34:38.840 definitely

01:34:39.080 not be

01:34:39.340 allowed

01:34:39.560 around

01:34:40.000 vulnerable

01:34:40.480 girls

01:34:41.020 oh that

01:34:42.500 is such

01:34:43.460 important

01:34:44.480 advice

01:34:45.040 and I

01:34:45.360 know you

01:34:45.620 go on

01:34:46.020 to write

01:34:46.260 imagine

01:34:46.640 the

01:34:46.800 delight

01:34:47.080 of

01:34:47.200 any

01:34:47.380 man

01:34:47.700 with

01:34:48.440 antisocial

01:34:49.240 or coercive

01:34:50.120 sexual

01:34:50.480 tendencies

01:34:50.960 around the

01:34:51.640 world

01:34:51.960 exhibitionist

01:34:53.100 voyeurs

01:34:53.480 and child

01:34:53.880 predators

01:34:54.200 are being

01:34:54.580 handed

01:34:54.960 a ticket

01:34:55.660 to paradise

01:34:56.480 talking about

01:34:57.420 your field

01:34:58.300 of expertise

01:34:58.840 and how

01:34:59.540 so many

01:35:00.520 of

01:35:01.560 sex offenders

01:35:02.680 are never

01:35:03.360 arrested

01:35:03.820 they get

01:35:04.720 away with

01:35:05.160 it

01:35:05.380 and we

01:35:06.500 need to

01:35:06.760 be aware

01:35:07.240 that they're

01:35:07.640 out there

01:35:08.060 and that

01:35:08.560 a lot

01:35:08.860 of them

01:35:09.080 will take

01:35:09.380 advantage

01:35:09.820 of this

01:35:10.320 sort of

01:35:10.720 woke

01:35:11.240 be tolerant

01:35:12.220 of everybody

01:35:12.780 to take

01:35:13.560 advantage

01:35:13.880 of your

01:35:14.120 child

01:35:14.380 we have

01:35:15.300 to be

01:35:15.540 vigilant

01:35:15.880 I'm sorry

01:35:16.620 but we

01:35:17.260 do

01:35:17.520 Debra

01:35:18.240 so we

01:35:19.020 need a

01:35:19.280 longer

01:35:19.480 conversation

01:35:19.980 would you

01:35:20.280 come back

01:35:20.720 again soon

01:35:21.380 so we can

01:35:21.740 talk more

01:35:22.180 love to

01:35:22.940 anytime

01:35:23.320 Megan

01:35:23.600 great to

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01:35:29.140 thanks for

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 23, 2023

DOJ Finds More Biden Docs, Crowder vs. Daily Wire, and Gender Identity and Kids, with Dave Smith and Dr. Debra Soh ｜ Ep. 477

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