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00:01:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.280 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.040 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:01:16.800 Hope you're hunkering down in anticipation of the big storm.

00:01:20.080 If you are anywhere on the right half of the country, physical right.

00:01:24.160 We have so much goodness in store for you today before the weekend.

00:01:27.300 But first, Don Lemon taunting the Department of Justice to come after him again.

00:01:33.800 Oh, he's such a tough guy.

00:01:35.220 After a federal magistrate judge refused to sign off on criminal charges against him

00:01:42.000 for his role in last weekend's church protest, in quotes, in Minnesota.

00:01:49.540 Lemon is loving every minute of this.

00:01:53.000 He's never had so much attention because no one cares about him.

00:01:56.660 Last night, likening himself to Jimmy Kimmel.

00:02:02.040 Look, I stand proud and I stand tall.

00:02:04.480 This is not a victory lap for me because it's not over.

00:02:06.800 They're going to try again and they're going to try again.

00:02:08.840 And guess what?

00:02:09.500 Here I am.

00:02:11.160 Keep trying.

00:02:11.880 That's not going to stop me from being a journalist.

00:02:15.040 You're not going to diminish my voice.

00:02:16.760 Go ahead.

00:02:17.240 Make me into the new Jimmy Kimmel if you want.

00:02:22.000 Just do it.

00:02:24.300 Because I'm not going anywhere and I'm going to believe the same things,

00:02:27.800 whether you want to, whatever.

00:02:31.120 Yes, please do it.

00:02:32.920 And the person who could do it is with me now.

00:02:35.560 She is Harmeet Dillon.

00:02:37.100 She is the Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights at the DOJ.

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00:03:09.620 Harmeet, great to see you again.

00:03:12.960 So are we going to do it?

00:03:15.360 Well, we are going to do it because that's what is required for justice here.

00:03:20.740 And from Sunday when I first saw the video that Don Lemon himself put out about his conduct that day,

00:03:27.920 it was clear to me that we had the predicates for pursuing FACE Act and conspiracy.

00:03:33.800 We did our homework, sent prosecutors there to the ground, took affidavits, took evidence.

00:03:39.220 They buttressed the case that we could witness from Lemon's own testimony and statements and admissions against interest in his own videos.

00:03:48.080 And we have aggressively and very rapidly sought legal process.

00:03:52.520 Now, I will say it's been a little frustrating because for 48 hours between the time that we sought these arrest warrants

00:03:59.720 and the time that we were able to make arrests and say what the judge did in refusing to sign off on lemons,

00:04:08.060 you know, it had to stay silent.

00:04:09.140 We have certain protocols here at the Department of Justice, but he is not out of legal jeopardy and he has lawyered up.

00:04:17.400 He has a prominent lawyer and, you know, we're going to pursue this to the ends of the earth.

00:04:24.300 Good.

00:04:25.060 So it's not over.

00:04:26.000 He's not out of the woods just because this one magistrate judge decided not to sign off on the warrant.

00:04:31.960 This judge, this magistrate judge we now know, is married to somebody who works for Keith Ellison, the attorney general of the state of Minnesota.

00:04:44.800 The judge's name is Douglas Mikko, M-I-C-K-O, magistrate judge who refused to sign the warrant.

00:04:50.640 And we found out that his wife, Caitlin Mikko, who works for Keith Ellison in the AG's office, recently reposted first a happy holidays photo of her with the judge.

00:05:04.860 So that's why we know they're married.

00:05:06.960 But separately on LinkedIn, Harmeet, this woman, okay, again, she's married to the judge who denied the warrant.

00:05:12.840 She recently loved this message from the solicitor general in AG Ellison's office.

00:05:17.660 Quote, I'm proud to help AG Ellison and the mayors protect the equal sovereignty of Minnesota and the safety of our residents by suing ICE, Homeland Security today.

00:05:28.260 So she's liking the lawsuit against ICE.

00:05:31.900 She's clearly anti-ICE. 0.58

00:05:33.300 And this is the magistrate judge's wife. 1.00

00:05:36.820 Yes.

00:05:37.240 Should he have recused himself from this?

00:05:38.640 So let me add, there's a couple of additional elements, which is Keith Ellison ignorantly went out there and said that the FACE Act doesn't apply to attacks on houses of worship, which, as you know, Megan, it obviously does.

00:05:51.960 It's right there in the statute.

00:05:53.280 And I've actually used it in court already.

00:05:55.020 This is the second time the United States Department of Justice has gone into court to use the FACE Act with respect to houses of worship.

00:06:03.140 So he's blatantly wrong.

00:06:05.180 And that's her boss.

00:06:07.120 And it's a conflict of interest, in my opinion.

00:06:09.500 And, you know, he absolutely has fallen short of the standards here.

00:06:15.880 And there's more that I can say about the magistrate.

00:06:19.140 I don't even want to say judge because magistrate is an inferior officer, not an Article III judge.

00:06:26.220 The back and forth with us is something else.

00:06:29.940 But this magistrate clearly exhibited bias, I think, in his rulings, and they're very disappointing.

00:06:39.680 And so there are more chapters to come in this dispute, for sure.

00:06:44.860 So normally you could bring it before a grand jury, right, to get an indictment.

00:06:49.640 Can you go, Harmeet, to a different magistrate?

00:06:52.400 I don't want to telegraph exactly what we're going to do next in court, but there are next moves in court in multiple directions, up and sideways and otherwise.

00:07:01.000 But you have to understand that this was a holiday weekend.

00:07:03.840 And, unfortunately, grand juries don't run every day of the week.

00:07:07.380 I know there's a lot of ignorant commentary out there on social media about this.

00:07:10.220 They simply don't know.

00:07:11.620 The next sitting of the grand jury in Minnesota, in Minneapolis, is next week.

00:07:17.340 And so, you know, that's an option.

00:07:19.340 There are other options.

00:07:20.320 So I will just leave it at that.

00:07:21.880 But you know that the attorney general herself was there on the ground and managing this process with my principal deputy, a brilliant young lawyer.

00:07:31.540 And so, you know, we are not giving up the fight here at all.

00:07:35.580 And, in fact, we only identified rapidly, I think, a handful of people who were in this mob.

00:07:42.180 I intend to go after every single one of them.

00:07:44.380 None of the people who invaded this house of God and harassed and frightened children and families is going to go unpunished.

00:07:53.060 Great. That's great news.

00:07:55.620 So you're going after all of them.

00:07:57.400 It's just you haven't identified every single person yet.

00:08:00.420 But the ones you've identified, the process is happening.

00:08:04.140 Well, that's right.

00:08:04.740 I mean, and the other thing is, look, you know, people are doing their social media identifications.

00:08:08.700 I'm looking at those and I'm forwarding them to the investigative team.

00:08:12.500 And we have to do our due diligence.

00:08:13.860 We don't want to be out there.

00:08:14.800 I mean, I'm a longtime civil rights lawyer from the against the government side.

00:08:19.380 And so I have tremendous respect for the rights of the individual.

00:08:22.360 So we're doing our due diligence.

00:08:23.660 That's required by justice.

00:08:25.080 I'm sure people out there would agree that they would not want to be wrongfully arrested or otherwise misidentified.

00:08:30.840 And so we're doing our homework.

00:08:32.960 But a lot of these people self-identified on social media, including the three who were arrested.

00:08:38.140 They were, you know, posting their own commentary out there repeatedly, as was Don Lemon.

00:08:42.740 Don Lemon's associates and others.

00:08:47.020 So eventually we will expect to get all of these people.

00:08:50.660 And, you know, then we're going to have more questions about how this was organized, who organized it, who funded it, and what else is being done by this group of people invading churches.

00:09:03.100 And why we move so quickly, Megan, is as a person of faith, it just outrages me to see this happening.

00:09:10.720 And I didn't want churchgoers to feel that if they went to church in Minneapolis, St. Paul, this coming Sunday or the synagogue or any house of worship, that they might face the same kind of mob harassment.

00:09:26.760 It's just not, it's off limits in America.

00:09:30.020 And so I hope this gives assurances.

00:09:33.440 The three arrests are, they're not low-level people.

00:09:36.660 One of them is an elected official school board member.

00:09:39.340 One of them is a serial free-range, you know, domestic terrorist, in my opinion, terrorizing people in multiple jurisdictions.

00:09:46.300 And one is a paid organizer who is a lawyer who had access to statute books and should have known better about the FACE Act.

00:09:57.120 And, you know, we were trying to arrest them for 48 hours.

00:10:03.080 Had eyes on them.

00:10:04.280 You know, it wasn't easy.

00:10:05.380 And everyone who is in the food chain of helping us get the information needed didn't necessarily cooperate quickly, but we got it done very quickly.

00:10:13.280 There was a report yesterday on the one arrest of Chantel Allen, she's the one who's on the school board, that she had allegedly rented out three separate hotel rooms and that the hotel manager helped to get her down to the lobby to be arrested.

00:10:27.840 Is that true?

00:10:29.040 I'm not going to comment on the exact circumstances, but the privilege that some of these folks exhibit can get tiresome to the general public.

00:10:40.020 And hotels don't want fugitives in their premises for obvious reasons.

00:10:47.460 So I'll just leave it at that.

00:10:49.460 Yeah, makes sense to me.

00:10:51.320 Back to Don Lemon for a second.

00:10:53.040 He doubled down on the inanity in the following comment.

00:10:57.720 I have got to run this by you.

00:10:59.080 You may have heard it.

00:10:59.820 Here it is, Sat 5, last night.

00:11:03.200 It's not about justice.

00:11:04.720 You know how I know it's not about justice?

00:11:06.340 Because I have the best attorney in the country, I believe, to deal with this, who takes on this administration without fear at all.

00:11:18.980 And this attorney has worked with some of the worst accused criminals in history.

00:11:27.120 And even those people, just like Donald Trump, who is a 34-time convicted felon, are always allowed usually to self-report.

00:11:36.000 In these situations, why you see the activists in Minneapolis or Minnesota, why you see a perp walk, which they were supposed to get rid of that, right, because they said they were unconstitutional.

00:11:50.380 Why you see that?

00:11:50.900 Because they want those images out there.

00:11:52.500 They want to embarrass people.

00:11:54.500 Same situation.

00:11:55.360 If they had come here to do that, they wouldn't let me self-report.

00:11:58.800 And so when I asked counsel and people, well, why is this happening?

00:12:06.860 And one person who I respect the most, this doesn't come from my counsel, who I really respect said, because they're giving you the N-word treatment.

00:12:15.220 Okay.

00:12:15.860 Thoughts on that, Harmeet?

00:12:16.360 I mean, who thinks Don Lemon is a victim?

00:12:20.540 Who thinks that we're giving him the N-word treatment?

00:12:22.920 That's really offensive to me as a person who grew up in the Deep South and saw the Klan in my town when I was growing up.

00:12:31.980 Like Don Lemon living in the Hamptons or whatever, you are not ever being subjected to that kind of treatment.

00:12:37.660 That's absurd.

00:12:38.780 Secondly, thank you for, you know, continuing to talk and reveal attorney-client privilege communications.

00:12:43.740 That's super helpful.

00:12:44.740 I really appreciate it.

00:12:45.740 I really appreciate it.

00:13:15.720 It's so unusual for a magistrate to not sign off on there being probable cause and issue the warrant.

00:13:41.980 I mean, every lawyer, every lawyer that we've talked to, and we have a lot of them in our MK Media Network, former prosecutors, former defense and current defense attorneys saying this is unheard of virtually.

00:13:53.400 I mean, unless like there's absolutely no case.

00:13:55.600 And there is, there is obviously probable cause for both FACE Act and the Conspiracy Against Rights charges for Lemon.

00:14:03.980 So, I mean, was it nakedly partisan, Harmeet?

00:14:06.940 I mean, I know you're limited somewhat in what you want to say, but like, was it obviously a partisan thing?

00:14:11.580 Well, let me state with regard to the FACE Act.

00:14:13.400 First of all, like Attorney General Keith Ellison, many lawyers and even apparently now magistrates and judges are entirely ignorant of the second half of the FACE Act, which is protecting houses of worship.

00:14:26.380 Why is that because all they've ever heard of is Obama and Biden, DOJ, going after pro-life protesters, using that law, praying outside abortion clinics and abuse of the FACE Act.

00:14:38.520 That's the, those are the headlines.

00:14:40.320 And frankly, on the right, Republican attorneys general and prosecutors didn't bring these claims.

00:14:46.580 That's also a fail.

00:14:47.460 Okay, so now we're using it the way it's supposed to have been used. 0.98

00:14:51.320 And so to a degree, they're ignorant.

00:14:54.100 On the Klan Act, it is a venerable statute with a long and storied and very important history.

00:15:00.880 I, I, I really respect this law.

00:15:02.980 It is one of our oldest, perhaps the oldest civil rights law that I am charged with administering here at the United States Department of Justice.

00:15:10.920 And it dates back to an era where local law enforcement and state law enforcement was weaponized against people of color in this country after the emancipation of the slaves.

00:15:24.720 And so, you know, it is, this is exactly the purpose for which it was intended to be used.

00:15:29.420 Conspiracy to violate somebody else's civil rights.

00:15:32.440 Is there any more fundamental civil right, Megan, than the right to pray to God peacefully in a house of worship?

00:15:38.380 It is the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

00:15:41.200 It is the basis on which this country was founded.

00:15:44.260 And so I look forward to getting convictions under both of these statutes eventually against all the people charged.

00:15:53.420 Let me read you what Matt Murphy said to us.

00:15:56.060 He's part of our MK True Crime Network, and he's a lifetime prosecutor out in Orange County.

00:16:01.840 And he, he said the following.

00:16:03.180 He said, in 26 years as a prosecutor, I never saw a judge actually reject an arrest warrant.

00:16:08.780 This will be an Obama, Biden, Clinton, Clinton appointee.

00:16:12.060 This is before we knew.

00:16:13.440 Two-tiered justice activist judge, guaranteed. 0.99

00:16:16.620 And then he said, terrifying children like this is ghoulish.

00:16:20.560 It's clearly a federal crime.

00:16:22.340 The guy filmed himself in the parking lot.

00:16:24.180 And he said, these are, well, sanctimonious lefty blank holes.

00:16:27.400 I think you would agree with all of that.

00:16:31.220 Do we know, because you point out, like, the magistrate is not, like, a nominated judge by a sitting president.

00:16:39.680 So was it a Democrat who put, who chose this magistrate judge and put him on the bench?

00:16:44.780 So let me explain to your audience how magistrate judges work.

00:16:48.140 I've gone before many of them, and often we lawyers who are looking for a speedy resolution of our cases, we stipulate to magistrates actually trying cases where there's a bench trial situation.

00:16:59.080 So I respect the role of the magistrate judge.

00:17:01.260 But the magistrate judge is an employee of the federal court.

00:17:05.560 They have tenure appointments.

00:17:07.200 They are selected by the district court article three judges.

00:17:10.820 So the life-tenured judges in the district court, they put out a posting.

00:17:16.560 People apply for the job.

00:17:19.080 They go through an interview process.

00:17:20.980 They get selected.

00:17:21.680 So they're hired by the court.

00:17:23.000 So if you have a certain bias in who gets appointed to the court because of the notorious blue-slip process,

00:17:30.600 who can get through the archaic and, frankly, needs-to-go blue-slip process in 2026,

00:17:38.520 then you're going to have a biased selection panel, and you're going to have an outcome of this type of person.

00:17:47.540 And even so, I don't presume any person who administers justice is biased.

00:17:53.840 I deeply respect judges, and I think many of them try to do the right thing no matter whether they're Democrat or Republican.

00:17:59.120 I've gotten good outcomes from Democrat-appointed judges, particularly in constitutional issues.

00:18:03.840 So, but when you have a conflict of interest issue, which emerged after this ruling, you know, that's a concern.

00:18:12.480 Every person, every officer of the court, including myself, I've recused myself from cases here at the Department of Justice

00:18:18.880 where I have a bias or a perceived bias.

00:18:21.360 It's actually not just a bias.

00:18:22.880 It is avoiding the appearance of impropriety.

00:18:26.000 And where your wife works for a guy who has prejudged the outcome of the issue, the FACE Act doesn't apply, you know, ICE is bad. 0.99

00:18:35.060 We're going to get them.

00:18:35.760 We're going to sue them, which, by the way, they've lost now at the Eighth Circuit.

00:18:38.780 We obtained an administrative stay from the Eighth Circuit against that silly lawsuit that they filed to enjoin and endanger ICE officers.

00:18:45.700 That's a significant conflict.

00:18:49.620 And so I see some commentary out there. 0.99

00:18:51.980 Why is the DOJ so dumb? 0.98

00:18:53.440 Why did you present your arrest warrants to this judge? 1.00

00:18:56.880 We do not judge shop.

00:18:58.680 I don't know if the other side may do that.

00:19:00.380 That's actually illegal and unethical.

00:19:02.300 We cannot judge shop.

00:19:03.820 We do not judge shop.

00:19:05.940 This was the randomly assigned magistrate.

00:19:09.060 I don't know if we would have gotten a different outcome from another, but, you know, this one should have recused himself, in my opinion.

00:19:14.440 That's just my opinion.

00:19:16.820 But that's why you have that.

00:19:18.500 Now, typically, you go up the food chain.

00:19:21.480 You don't like the outcome of the magistrate judge.

00:19:23.560 You know, you get a chance to ask a district court judge.

00:19:26.360 And so I'll just leave it at that.

00:19:28.500 And then there are other moves we can make.

00:19:30.260 We are literally not even a week away from this invasion of this church occurring.

00:19:36.520 These arrests are rapid within the scope of how the DOJ normally operates, I can assure you.

00:19:42.500 And so, you know, there will be more to come in this case.

00:19:46.300 I hope to identify, with the help of the public, video evidence and other data that we have at our disposal, which the FBI is working on, every single person who came uninvited into that house of God and get them.

00:19:59.940 How soon do you think we'll see more arrests?

00:20:01.860 Arrest warrants have to be signed off, you know, by this process.

00:20:08.060 So I, it hopefully will be days, but I can't give any promises.

00:20:13.420 Yep, we're somewhat beholden to the judiciary.

00:20:17.680 We're totally beholden to them.

00:20:19.060 Can I ask you about some elements on the FACE Act?

00:20:21.180 So to prove a violation under the FACE Act, you have to prove that by force, threats, or physical obstruction, they've interfered with religious observance.

00:20:30.540 And Dave Ehrenberg, who we love, he's a former Palm Beach County attorney, he's a Democrat, he says he's a centrist, but he said on the show the other day in a debate with Mike Davis that he doesn't think you guys are going to pass the force, threats, or physical obstruction piece of the act.

00:20:47.320 Because he's looked at the case law and said, in his interpretation, typically force or physical obstruction would suggest preventing exit from the church.

00:20:59.500 Like in the abortion clinic cases, it was people blocking women from trying to get into the clinic. 0.99

00:21:05.600 And I took issue with that, Harmeet, because there was a famous case just over the past couple of years under the Biden DOJ where they went after abortion.

00:21:14.620 It was an abortion clinic. 1.00

00:21:15.620 There was actually two people who went after one of these pregnancy counseling centers with negative spray paint on the outside of it. 0.99

00:21:23.620 And it said something like, this isn't exact, but it was something to the effect of either you'll support abortion or you're going to get it.

00:21:31.080 You know, it was a threatening kind of spray paint.

00:21:34.000 But there was no blocking of anything.

00:21:35.440 But it was a threat, so it might have been considered, quote, threatening.

00:21:38.760 You tell me whether those people were physically obstructing or using force, I don't know.

00:21:43.800 But in that church, the behavior was threatening, Harmeet.

00:21:48.000 I just don't think there's any argument that they were not threatening the people, saying, hands up, don't shoot.

00:21:55.520 Kids don't know what that means.

00:21:56.880 Right.

00:21:57.140 They don't know it's a reference to Ferguson.

00:21:59.480 They hear hands up and they hear people talking about shooting.

00:22:02.720 They have the aggressive William Kelly shouting in their faces with, I mean, explicit, like, anger and challenges and insults.

00:22:12.180 They have kids running out of the church, getting in the van, slamming the doors to get away from people screaming in their faces.

00:22:18.320 They have kids cowering.

00:22:19.840 They have kids crying.

00:22:21.620 You tell me how you make the forced threats or physical obstruction piece of the statute.

00:22:27.280 Okay, absolutely.

00:22:28.040 So, first of all, we've had the FACE Act since 1994.

00:22:30.740 There have been many prosecutions under the FACE Act, almost all of them against pro-life protesters or silent objectors.

00:22:38.440 And you can't just look at the words of the statute.

00:22:41.120 You have to look at how the courts have interpreted it and what convictions have been had and upheld on appeal.

00:22:46.040 And so, for example, there have been numerous convictions by the Biden DOJ, I think I can count of three cases off the top of my head, where people were convicted for silently praying outside an abortion clinic, not chaining themselves to the doors or blocking the entrance, and certainly not going inside and creating a ruckus and shouting at people on an operating table.

00:23:09.820 So that's not the standard.

00:23:13.040 The case you mentioned is Oropesa v. United States, which I personally argued and defended the conviction of in the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals just three or four months ago.

00:23:22.620 And I went into court and defended the Klan Act application to this particular fact pattern.

00:23:27.860 And some people who are charged with FACE Act violations in that case, some of the conspirators, pled guilty.

00:23:35.020 And so you're correct.

00:23:36.560 In fact, this was spray painting.

00:23:39.200 This was aggressive threats, kind of violent threats.

00:23:42.600 And in response to those threats, each of these clinics, which were religiously based clinics, had to hire additional security.

00:23:51.140 They had to not allow walk-ins to their clinics.

00:23:54.620 So they weren't able to serve some women in crisis.

00:23:57.320 They required appointments only.

00:23:59.640 They had to, you know, the workers there were in fear.

00:24:02.220 Some people called out sick because they were afraid.

00:24:04.200 And this organization was called Jane's Revenge.

00:24:07.540 It's kind of a, you know, I would call it quasi-terrorist organization designed to terrorize people of faith. 0.98

00:24:16.900 And this was in the wake of the Dobbs decision.

00:24:21.580 So when you look at the case law, people have been convicted under the FACE Act for much, much less than exactly what happened here.

00:24:29.740 But let's look at the words of the protesters themselves.

00:24:32.040 First of all, William Kelly shouted racial, racially charged language within this church and also outside the church.

00:24:40.240 He made it clear that the white and Christian nature of these people was part of the motivation of harassing them.

00:24:47.220 Don Lemon himself stated before and after that the purpose of this so-called protest obstruction was to put people in fear and make them uncomfortable and make them traumatize them.

00:25:02.960 And then we have photographs of children crying and their mothers hugging them and moms ushering children out the back and strong Christian men standing up to defend their families.

00:25:14.880 That is in response to putting them in fear.

00:25:18.140 And you're absolutely correct.

00:25:19.000 You're using the word shoot and hands up in a house of God.

00:25:22.440 You're shouting out and obstructing the purpose for which people are there.

00:25:25.200 If this isn't a violation of the FACE Act, I don't know what is.

00:25:29.220 And I think I think the law is very clear.

00:25:31.700 We all feel strongly about it.

00:25:33.160 I have career prosecutors, nonpartisan prosecutors working on this case.

00:25:37.340 And by the time we gathered this video evidence and interviewed some witnesses on Sunday and Monday, we had no question that this is a violation of both the FACE Act and for the organizers and people who planned it, the Klan Act as well.

00:25:51.440 Mm hmm.

00:25:52.380 Abby Lowell, who we've discussed, is representing Lemon, put out a statement that reads as follows in part.

00:25:58.080 The magistrate's reported actions denying the probable cause existed for the warrant confirmed the nature of Don's First Amendment protected work.

00:26:07.840 It was no different than what he has done for more than 30 years reporting and covering newsworthy events.

00:26:12.840 What's your response to that, Harmeet, the First Amendment argument being made by Abby Lowell and Lemon?

00:26:17.140 So let me first of all, let me step back for a second.

00:26:19.900 I am a First Amendment activist and lawyer for more than three decades.

00:26:24.660 I have litigated numerous First Amendment cases, including to the United States Supreme Court, and won many on behalf of journalists.

00:26:31.720 I usually represent the journalists in my private practice.

00:26:34.200 I've been a journalist.

00:26:35.380 I have deep respect for the First Amendment.

00:26:36.780 I've even been on the board of the American Civil Liberties Union many years ago after the Patriot Act.

00:26:41.260 So no one cares about the First Amendment more than I do.

00:26:44.220 And we checked our boxes and did our homework before we applied for this arrest warrant.

00:26:48.980 Now, Abby Lowell, I respect him as a lawyer.

00:26:51.340 He's a successful and smart lawyer.

00:26:52.980 He's talking out of his, you know, he's talking out of, he is, he's fabricating.

00:27:01.600 I'm trying to be.

00:27:02.240 His ear.

00:27:02.540 I'm trying to be.

00:27:03.560 Out of his ear.

00:27:04.120 I'm trying to be decorous here as a DOJ official.

00:27:07.580 So he is making things up.

00:27:11.140 There is no basis for him to say that the magistrate judge's decision is just because Don Lemon was a so-called journalist.

00:27:19.620 That is, I think, inaccurate and it is a fantasy.

00:27:25.000 Now, ultimately, at trial, that would be a defense I would expect Abby Lowell or whoever Don Lemon gets at that point.

00:27:33.640 Because, you know, people change lawyers sometimes.

00:27:36.700 Who knows what happens?

00:27:37.300 But whoever the lawyer is, I expect them to make a journalism argument.

00:27:40.720 There were a couple of other journalists.

00:27:42.660 William Kelly is described as a journalist.

00:27:47.080 In fact, he is thanked by the first person arrested that 501c3, I'm forgetting her name.

00:27:54.380 Nakima Armstrong.

00:27:55.500 Armstrong.

00:27:56.080 Nakima Armstrong tagged and thanked him as an embedded journalist.

00:28:00.280 Does anyone think that guy's a journalist?

00:28:02.520 I don't think he's a journalist.

00:28:03.500 But he was thanked as a journalist.

00:28:06.120 And he has a blog or some kind of following that he shouts into the camera.

00:28:10.700 Not a journalist.

00:28:11.520 Sorry.

00:28:12.020 When you are, and by the way, let me also add, you can be a journalist.

00:28:15.280 But when a journalist is also committing a crime, it's black letter law that they're not cloaked from prosecution.

00:28:22.300 It's not like a magic invisibility cloak from Harry Potter where you can put it on and not be a criminal because you're a journalist.

00:28:29.440 That's not how it works.

00:28:30.400 Journalists can and have been convicted of crimes in our country where they break the law.

00:28:35.420 And let me give you some examples of the prior administration going after journalists.

00:28:41.520 So January 6th, there was a Blaze reporter who was in the crowd who was prosecuted and convicted in the January 6th situation.

00:28:52.760 Steve Baker.

00:28:53.220 Correct.

00:28:53.480 I have represented Project Veritas and the journalists at Project Veritas who did not publish Ashley Biden's diary.

00:29:01.300 And yet they had to expend hundreds of thousands of dollars defending the First Amendment in the Southern District of New York where the weaponized DOJ went after.

00:29:09.960 And Harmeet, we had James O'Keefe on our show after that happened.

00:29:13.480 And they raided James O'Keefe's home at five in the morning with The New York Times.

00:29:19.420 Oh, suddenly just somehow aware of it simultaneously.

00:29:23.600 They tried to humiliate him.

00:29:26.140 And there was there was as far as I know, there's been no FBI raid at Don Lemon's home yet.

00:29:30.460 But so this is this is recent history where Biden's DOJ went after a journalist for not even publishing a story, not actually doing what Don Lemon did, which was join the mob committing the crime.

00:29:42.280 Not just James, but two other journalists employed by Project Veritas were all subjected to this organized theater.

00:29:49.020 And think about it.

00:29:52.120 That was the flimsiest case I ever saw.

00:29:54.680 It's really, truly outrageous abuse of power by the prior administration.

00:30:00.100 And yet they had no problem getting search warrants.

00:30:03.660 And they had no problem then forcing and dragging Project Veritas and its lawyers.

00:30:09.040 I was one of the lawyers, full disclosure, through the mud and trying to pierce and invade attorney-client privilege as well as the First Amendment.

00:30:17.100 And there have been other cases.

00:30:19.900 Let me give you a state court example.

00:30:22.200 Kamala Harris did the one and only prosecution of any journalist in California history under California's wiretapping statute because David Daleiden, again, my client, was an undercover journalist who exposed Planned Parenthood and National Abortion Federation's lucrative fetal part trafficking business.

00:30:42.780 He audiotaped and videotaped them in public places, in restaurants, in bars, in hotel lobbies, clearly not covered by the wiretapping statute.

00:30:52.880 The process is the punishment on the left.

00:30:54.920 So you will notice that although we had choreographed arrests here, did it carefully so that no one got hurt, we didn't have Fox News or News Nation or Newsmax over there or any other journalism outlet with cameras videotaping that.

00:31:12.300 That's not appropriate.

00:31:14.400 We didn't do that.

00:31:15.060 I mean, I know there's some folks on my side who would love to see, quote unquote, that kind of theater.

00:31:21.240 But most importantly, we want our officers who are making these arrests to be safe and we want the public to be safe.

00:31:27.040 And I do not think that's an appropriate behavior by the Department of Justice.

00:31:31.320 Yet they did that repeatedly.

00:31:32.860 They did that to Roger Stone.

00:31:34.380 They did that to so many others.

00:31:35.740 They did that to Steve Bannon.

00:31:36.720 So I learned as a small child, two wrongs don't make a right.

00:31:42.960 So we are going to go about our business here at the DOJ methodically, carefully.

00:31:47.960 The attorney general is a very serious person.

00:31:51.140 She was an attorney general before in Florida. 0.98

00:31:53.520 And she has the utmost respect for judges and for equal protection and due process.

00:31:58.760 And that's how we're going to operate here.

00:32:00.460 But we're going to operate with aggressiveness and zeal.

00:32:02.980 And I think in Minnesota, we're absolutely demonstrating that.

00:32:06.300 And this is just a tiny sliver of what's going on in that corrupt jurisdiction.

00:32:11.240 We are going after the same week.

00:32:13.580 Last week, we went after the governor and the mayor there, Jacob Fry, and others.

00:32:20.420 And so we intend to hold these people accountable.

00:32:22.380 And I think we're just scratching the surface of what's happening here.

00:32:26.780 But people need to have some patience.

00:32:28.500 You know, Megan, as an attorney yourself, that this isn't law and order where everything gets

00:32:33.580 wrapped up nicely from beginning to end in 46 minutes with commercial breaks.

00:32:36.960 That's just not how it works.

00:32:38.900 And, you know, we want prosecutions that stick.

00:32:41.720 And people need to understand, sometimes we're facing a biased process.

00:32:46.400 And that's what's happening to us so far.

00:32:49.880 But we don't let it rest.

00:32:51.100 That's why we have appeals courts. 1.00

00:32:52.320 That's how we have the Supreme Court. 1.00

00:32:53.700 And we're 100% dedicated to holding every single person in this instance and many others.

00:32:59.520 I mean, I have several other FACE Act cases and investigations open with respect to synagogues. 1.00

00:33:05.080 We've obtained convictions in several cases of attacks on churches in the last nine months

00:33:11.180 under my civil rights division because we take that very seriously.

00:33:17.500 I didn't know that.

00:33:18.780 That's actually good news.

00:33:19.840 I've watched it.

00:33:20.620 I mean, I've watched some of these cases played out, play out.

00:33:23.180 I was just there at the Supreme Court a week and a half ago watching your deputy out there

00:33:29.020 arguing the case on whether boys' bans against boys and girls sports were appropriate and

00:33:34.620 constitutional.

00:33:35.340 I think it's going to go your way.

00:33:36.400 But the Trump administration is Trump passes an executive order or he gets behind a state

00:33:41.140 law in his rhetoric that's doing the right thing.

00:33:44.900 And then you get a legal challenge.

00:33:46.140 And then bit by bit, it works its way up to the Supreme Court, to the Supreme Court.

00:33:49.920 And you guys get in there and argue it.

00:33:51.160 And you're amassing a very solid win record.

00:33:54.180 You can't win them all, but you're amassing a very solid win record.

00:33:57.120 It doesn't happen in 42 minutes without commercial breaks.

00:34:00.080 That's not, sadly, that's not how real life works when it comes to the law.

00:34:03.940 I admire you.

00:34:04.660 And I'm really grateful for you to be on, Harmeet.

00:34:06.900 Thank you.

00:34:07.400 Good luck with it.

00:34:07.980 And we'll stay in touch.

00:34:08.920 Thanks for having us, Megan.

00:34:09.980 I appreciate it.

00:34:11.680 Yeah, we are so lucky to have her.

00:34:13.200 My God, you guys, we don't know how lucky we are to have her.

00:34:15.660 She's been in the trenches for years now working on these cases.

00:34:20.820 I mean, these cases, Harmeet always took on like noble defendants who were being harassed

00:34:29.300 by people like the Biden administration, like the James O'Keefe case, just to take one.

00:34:34.540 There was no glory in that, right?

00:34:37.040 It's not like she knew she was going to get big money out of defending James O'Keefe, but

00:34:41.780 she was like, screw this harassing government. 1.00

00:34:44.780 And now to have her on the other side to be able to exercise the appropriate restraint,

00:34:49.580 she doesn't want to be what she's been arguing against for all these years, but also to know

00:34:54.520 the tricks of the trade and how to use them when you do find actual villains.

00:34:58.860 We're so lucky.

00:35:00.300 And Pam Bondi's been doing the right thing, too.

00:35:02.360 She's leading this.

00:35:03.320 She's on the ground, boots on the ground out in Minneapolis, and they're figuring out

00:35:07.540 what exactly they're up against with these judges.

00:35:09.480 And Harmeet mentioned the subpoenas that were issued to Walls and Jacob Fry and Ellison

00:35:14.300 and another last week, because there's a question about whether they have been obstructing the

00:35:19.780 feds in their effort to enforce federal law. 0.52

00:35:22.880 It's one thing to not cooperate, to stay neutral.

00:35:25.540 It's another to actively obstruct.

00:35:27.860 And so they're going to get to the bottom of that as well.

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00:37:35.260 All right.

00:37:39.720 There's still a lot to go over.

00:37:41.180 And just a bit.

00:37:42.240 We're going to be joined by our Kelly's Court panel.

00:37:45.180 Mark Eiglarsh and Mark Garagos on what's happening in the Blake Lively case.

00:37:51.360 Because yesterday, there was a motion by the defense, Team Baldoni, for summary judgment.

00:38:00.360 They want—it's really just her claims against him now.

00:38:03.440 Baldoni's counterclaims were thrown out in June.

00:38:05.560 So now we have the original claims brought by Blake Lively against Justin Baldoni for sexual harassment, etc.

00:38:13.560 And the defense moved for summary judgment, meaning give us a defense judgment without having to go to trial.

00:38:19.820 And the hearing on it was yesterday.

00:38:21.660 It's fully briefed.

00:38:22.400 And now, in connection with this hearing coming at us, the defense motion has been released.

00:38:28.460 And that's why you've probably seen all these text messages or headlines in the news about text messages that Blake Lively sent between Blake and Taylor Swift, between Blake and Matt Damon and his wife, and Ben Affleck and others.

00:38:40.800 And we're going to talk about all the text messages.

00:38:44.580 I mean, I have stacks on my desk.

00:38:46.740 This stack over here is all Harmeet and Minneapolis and all that.

00:38:51.340 This stack right here, for the listening audience, it's like covers almost the whole desk lengthwise, is all Baldoni and Blake Lively.

00:39:00.080 There's so much in the text messaging.

00:39:02.400 It's very fascinating.

00:39:03.600 I mean, I'm going to start with this.

00:39:05.460 I'll get to this when the lawyers join me next hour.

00:39:07.440 But, like, in the law, we have the concept of the eggshell plaintiff.

00:39:11.360 And it's like there are certain plaintiffs who are, like, the tiniest little thing, and suddenly they have severe and permanent, you know, cervical neck injuries.

00:39:19.740 Right?

00:39:20.040 Like, hmm, do they?

00:39:23.120 She is a total eggshell plaintiff. 1.00

00:39:25.640 My God. 1.00

00:39:26.300 Like, the stuff that she was whining about in these text messages as evidence of Justin Baldoni's just disgusting sexual harassment is so pathetic. 0.99

00:39:38.580 Either she is the thinnest skinned person alive or she was just trying to screw him over, you know, or she just decided that she wanted this movie to be hers. 0.97

00:39:49.380 And in her effort to bully him out, really set him up with her power by going to actresses with less power than she had and so on and trying to gin up a little campaign against him. 1.00

00:40:01.880 And, you know, do you remember when this case first started getting going?

00:40:04.920 It was like he said, she said.

00:40:06.520 He started fighting back.

00:40:07.760 The allegations started to look pretty flimsy on her part.

00:40:11.060 And then Blake's team dropped a bunch of stuff saying, oh, no, no, no, it wasn't just Blake.

00:40:15.600 You'll see.

00:40:16.520 Other women on set also thought he was a creed.

00:40:19.220 And I remember talking to you guys about it saying, all right, well, that's interesting.

00:40:22.380 Like, if there's a parade of female witnesses, we're going to say, oh, no, no, no, like, he me-tooed me or he whatever.

00:40:28.160 All right, now you got my attention.

00:40:30.400 Now we're starting to get a better feel for who they're talking about.

00:40:33.420 There's one woman who they cite in these text messages who is one of the co-hosts or co-stars of the movie. 0.98

00:40:38.840 And it is pathetic. 0.99

00:40:41.060 Like, what she's saying he did is pathetic. 0.99

00:40:44.740 All right, so there's a lot to get into. 0.92

00:40:45.860 Sorry, that's just a long tease for what's coming up in about a half an hour when the lawyers join me.

00:40:49.720 But there's some hard news that I want to get to before we go there.

00:40:53.240 There's a huge story in the news.

00:40:54.580 We covered it on AM Update.

00:40:56.800 And it is yet another attempt to smear ICE.

00:41:00.700 And it's gotten the left frothing at the mouth.

00:41:03.720 They're so excited about this five-year-old boy who was taken with his father to a facility because they are deporting the father.

00:41:15.980 The father is here illegally, as is the mother, is our understanding. 0.94

00:41:20.360 And they swooped in and they tried to remove the guy.

00:41:23.520 They tried to arrest the guy so that they could remove him.

00:41:26.700 And here's what happened.

00:41:27.780 And the left ran with, oh, my God, they used this little kid as bait. 0.70

00:41:33.400 That's what they want us to believe.

00:41:34.540 They used him as bait.

00:41:35.660 They're trying to use children to sort of get their illegal immigrant parents arrested, which is not at all what happened.

00:41:43.920 That's incorrect.

00:41:44.980 And that all came, as far as I can tell, from one person who was at the school district who decided to weigh in and use that term.

00:41:57.740 They used him as bait.

00:42:00.140 And ICE has denied that entirely.

00:42:02.640 And the facts do not support that either.

00:42:05.880 All right.

00:42:06.160 I do want to talk about it.

00:42:07.580 Let's see.

00:42:07.960 It was, yeah, the school board chair for Columbia Heights Public School.

00:42:12.640 She's the one who first got this started.

00:42:14.620 Do we have her soundbite, Deb, where she she says he was used as bait?

00:42:19.580 So I saw 28.

00:42:20.580 Let's listen to it.

00:42:21.640 And as I got out of my car and came around the corner, I heard, what are you doing?

00:42:26.660 Don't take the child.

00:42:28.260 His mom, like there are people here that can take him.

00:42:30.200 There was another adult who lived in the home that was there saying, I will take the child.

00:42:36.280 I will take the child.

00:42:38.700 Somebody else was yelling.

00:42:40.140 They saw that I was there and said school is here.

00:42:42.480 They can take the child.

00:42:43.200 You don't have to take them.

00:42:44.620 Um, and there were, there were, there was ample opportunity, uh, to be able to safely

00:42:51.420 hand that child off to adults.

00:42:54.320 Um, and mom, mom was there.

00:42:56.820 She saw the window and dad was yelling, please do not open the door.

00:43:00.380 Don't open the door.

00:43:01.160 Because of the other picture that I'm sure you've seen where there's a little boy knocking

00:43:06.300 at the door with an ICE agent looming over him.

00:43:09.600 And just one, the second question is, are you accusing ICE of using children as bent?

00:43:17.360 Yes.

00:43:19.280 I mean, that it is very clear from the pictures, from the videos, from firsthand accounts.

00:43:24.040 I was there.

00:43:25.600 Um, this is what happened.

00:43:27.540 Okay.

00:43:29.600 Fed to her, obviously by a reporter.

00:43:31.400 I think that's CNN.

00:43:32.160 We're checking, um, using the child debate.

00:43:34.900 So what happened was ICE went to this home to arrest, to it's for the purposes of deportation,

00:43:42.120 the illegal father and mother.

00:43:44.600 I believe they're both in there and they're both here illegally. 1.00

00:43:47.320 That's what ICE tells us.

00:43:48.940 They have a five-year-old son.

00:43:50.840 And when the dad pulled up in his car, they, they approached the dad and the dad ran.

00:43:58.440 This is all from ICE.

00:43:59.700 The dad ran.

00:44:00.680 He made a run for it.

00:44:01.440 Now, now they want you to believe that the dad has a lawyer and all the leftist media

00:44:05.540 that he was here illegal, that he was here legally because he was seeking asylum.

00:44:09.260 That's not true.

00:44:09.880 I'm going to get into it in a second.

00:44:10.940 But, uh, if he was here legally and there was no problem, why, why did he run?

00:44:16.160 Why did he run?

00:44:17.400 Ask yourself that.

00:44:18.540 It's common sense.

00:44:20.060 Uh, he ran and he left his five-year-old boy behind in the car.

00:44:24.780 Then the ICE agents, some of them ran after the guy and some stayed with the little boy

00:44:31.180 so that he wouldn't be abandoned in the cold weather with no parent there.

00:44:35.800 Meanwhile, they tried to get the mother to come outside of the house. 0.68

00:44:41.120 And the witnesses report that they sent the boy up to the door to knock on the door.

00:44:45.140 The mother wouldn't come out. 0.99

00:44:46.860 She wouldn't come out.

00:44:48.120 So I don't know whether they sent the boy up to go knock on the door or not.

00:44:50.940 I accept that woman's testimonial that that happened.

00:44:53.180 There's nothing wrong with that.

00:44:54.060 That's not bait.

00:44:54.820 They were already on scene.

00:44:56.460 They were focused on the father.

00:44:58.120 And by the way, I'm assuming the mother is here illegally. 0.98

00:45:00.880 She's fair game too.

00:45:01.940 They wanted her to come outside because they wanted to see if she would take her little boy.

00:45:07.680 That's actually why they were trying to get the mother. 0.99

00:45:09.540 And the father's telling her, because they eventually got the dad and brought him back,

00:45:13.160 not to open the door because the father doesn't want the mother to go.

00:45:17.640 ICE then promised the woman she would not be arrested.

00:45:20.580 She was not going to be deported at this point.

00:45:22.720 No, she wouldn't.

00:45:25.120 She wouldn't listen.

00:45:26.380 OK, she doesn't trust ICE.

00:45:27.960 Fine.

00:45:28.680 But at that point, what was ICE supposed to do?

00:45:30.880 This is what J.D. Vance was saying.

00:45:32.340 What do they do?

00:45:33.960 Do they just leave the child?

00:45:37.020 Let him wander?

00:45:38.220 Here's J.D. Vance on that.

00:45:39.380 Well, I'm proud of the fact that we're standing behind law enforcement.

00:45:52.380 And I'm proud of the fact that we're enforcing the country's laws.

00:45:54.800 But, you know, you asked a question about this five-year-old kid.

00:45:57.460 And I see this story.

00:45:58.940 And I'm a father of a five-year-old, actually, a five-year-old little boy.

00:46:01.760 And I think to myself, oh, my God, this is terrible.

00:46:04.380 How did we arrest a five-year-old?

00:46:05.680 Well, I do a little bit more follow-up research.

00:46:07.280 And what I find is that the five-year-old was not arrested, that his dad was an illegal alien.

00:46:13.740 And then when they went to arrest his illegal alien father, the father ran.

00:46:18.560 So the story is that ICE detained a five-year-old.

00:46:22.340 Well, what are they supposed to do?

00:46:23.700 Are they supposed to let a five-year-old child freeze to death?

00:46:26.560 Are they not supposed to arrest an illegal alien in the United States of America?

00:46:32.620 Right.

00:46:34.000 What were they supposed to do?

00:46:35.420 Just, okay, I guess there's no one to take him because we are arresting this dad and can't find another parent willing to claim him.

00:46:45.080 Fox News reports that they did not know whether anyone else was home at the time, that they had the child knock on the door to see if anyone else, family of his, was home and that there wasn't.

00:46:55.540 So we don't know exactly how that went down, but we do believe now that the mother was inside and that she wouldn't come out and that she wouldn't claim the child.

00:47:05.380 And the ICE agents were now in a position of saying, will you take your kid?

00:47:08.620 No.

00:47:08.940 And then you heard the school board lady say, well, they, I was ready to take him.

00:47:15.400 Mary Granlund is her name, school board chair for Columbia Heights Public School.

00:47:19.500 She was talking about how the little boy, Liam's mother, was at the window watching and didn't open the door.

00:47:25.180 She said, I would have taken the child. 1.00

00:47:27.920 You're an idiot. 1.00

00:47:29.320 They can't just give this little boy to anyone. 1.00

00:47:32.940 All right.

00:47:34.060 Like, can you imagine?

00:47:35.680 This is how we got in trouble under the Biden years where he was allowing like some random adults to take custody of the children coming across the border with their families so that he could say that there wasn't separation, but there was separation.

00:47:48.720 And some kids had been getting sent with their families across the border thinking that they'd have a better shot at just being left here, that we wouldn't bother them.

00:47:57.180 And then we were putting them with child molesters.

00:47:59.480 This is a story we covered here on the MK show.

00:48:01.260 So they cannot just give the child, even to a school board member. 0.90

00:48:05.200 By the way, they can be perverts too. 0.88

00:48:08.100 I'm not saying this particular woman. 0.75

00:48:09.700 I'm just saying in general, they don't know.

00:48:11.560 And there are protocols.

00:48:13.220 And by the way, these are the same protocols that were eventually put into place under other previous administrations.

00:48:18.300 So they say you got two options.

00:48:21.460 And we've covered this many times.

00:48:22.680 This is what they do when they deport an illegal who's here. 0.87

00:48:25.200 They say you, the parent, can give me an adult to whom I can give the child, or you can take him with you.

00:48:33.240 Those are your options.

00:48:34.400 And this father, who's now in custody, says, I want to take him with me.

00:48:38.720 They said, fine.

00:48:39.400 That's what happened.

00:48:40.760 Now the father has a lawyer who's saying, no, no, no, no, no.

00:48:43.340 He was an asylum seeker, not an illegal.

00:48:46.060 And technically, if you're here validly claiming asylum, or not validly, they'll determine whether it's valid in a court.

00:48:50.820 But if you get to a point of entry, you have to assert that you're here seeking asylum at a valid point of entry in the United States.

00:48:59.060 And then they give you certain, like, paperwork and so on.

00:49:01.620 And then you can be here for a certain amount of time until you get your asylum hearing.

00:49:04.860 Usually, if it gets, and then it gets denied, you usually have to get out, but they don't leave.

00:49:09.180 Well, under Joe Biden, he issued this new edict, you may remember, right after he took office, saying, now I have something called the CBP1 app.

00:49:18.380 And you can fill out an application under this app if you're an illegal.

00:49:22.700 And you can cross the border, and you can say that you're seeking asylum.

00:49:26.560 And for two years, we won't deport you.

00:49:28.760 We'll treat you as an asylum seeker, and we'll adjudicate your claim.

00:49:33.400 And then technically, you wouldn't be here illegally.

00:49:35.880 Well, that was in 2023, ultimately, when he issued that.

00:49:39.560 It would have expired by its terms in 2025.

00:49:41.840 But when Trump took office in 2024, well, he won in 2024, took office in January 2025, he canceled that order.

00:49:50.700 Trump wiped the whole thing out, saying, nope, we're not doing that anymore.

00:49:55.460 Enjoy your previous claims of asylum, but they're done.

00:49:58.200 It led to an ongoing class action lawsuit, seeking nationwide class action, saying you can't terminate early.

00:50:05.480 By the way, it was about to terminate anyway.

00:50:07.120 It only went for two years, started in 23.

00:50:09.480 And they sought a class certification, these immigrants, saying you can't just terminate it overnight. 1.00

00:50:14.500 And they recently moved for summary judgment in their favor, which was denied.

00:50:19.120 That was denied.

00:50:19.860 So they did not get summary judgment in their favor.

00:50:23.500 So under either the terms of that CBP asylum given by Joe Biden, which would have expired in two years, and certainly by what President Trump did, which was to yank it for everybody as soon as he got into office, these guys are not valid asylum seekers.

00:50:36.960 He said to all of you, that's done.

00:50:38.580 I'm not honoring that.

00:50:39.960 Get out.

00:50:40.420 He said, you can use the CBP app.

00:50:43.840 We will give you a plane ticket for you and your family to go back to your country of origin, and we'll also give you $2,600. 0.99

00:50:49.500 And on top of that, if you go through this app to depart and take this deal, we will treat you as though you've never done anything unlawful or you've never even tried to get here the next time you properly attempt.

00:51:01.180 All of that has been offered to this man and his son. 0.96

00:51:04.540 But Trump somehow is the demon. 1.00

00:51:06.920 Homan is the demon. 1.00

00:51:07.920 ICE is the demon. 1.00

00:51:09.000 It's a lie.

00:51:09.680 It's a manipulation.

00:51:11.600 And we'll be right back with more.

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00:52:18.180 Okay, so don't believe the lies about the five-year-old boy.

00:52:26.460 He is with his father in a facility, and they're going to be deported together.

00:52:31.820 The father was not here lawfully from the look of it, even if he had used the CPP app as his lawyer claims and asked for asylum.

00:52:38.800 That's over.

00:52:39.680 Trump terminated it, and also it's been two years anyway, and he got here long before.

00:52:44.660 In any event, that's the end of that.

00:52:46.860 Don't believe the lies from Kamala Harris or Hillary Clinton or others.

00:52:50.900 J.D. Vance was on fire yesterday when he went to Minneapolis to try to, like, calm the waters.

00:52:56.180 Like, he was very reasonable.

00:52:57.580 He was giving points where he needed to, but he was trying to remind people of what the true narrative here,

00:53:02.360 that they're trying to get rid of very, very bad guys.

00:53:04.620 And here was a direct message he had for Governor Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Frey.

00:53:09.440 It's not 22.

00:53:10.580 Minneapolis Police Department, my understanding is that the actual beat cops on the ground,

00:53:15.300 they would love to help out, but they're being told by somebody.

00:53:18.060 I don't know if it's Mayor Frey.

00:53:19.260 They're being told by somebody not to cooperate at all.

00:53:22.440 Sex offenders who were trying to get off the streets,

00:53:25.560 who the local officials won't tell us their last known address.

00:53:29.440 So then the local officials say, oh, my God,

00:53:32.260 these guys are doing widespread targeted enforcement operations,

00:53:35.660 when in reality, we would love to just go to one house.

00:53:38.460 The local officials won't tell us which one house to go to.

00:53:42.060 There's been this weird reaction, again, unique to this city.

00:53:46.640 This is not a common thing across the United States of America.

00:53:49.560 There's been a very unique, very Minneapolis-specific reaction to our enforcement of federal immigration laws.

00:53:55.240 What I'm trying to do here today is understand why that is.

00:53:58.280 What is it about Minneapolis that has become so chaotic?

00:54:01.360 Look, I don't need Tim Walz or Jacob Frey or anybody else to come out and say

00:54:04.620 that they agree with J.D. Vance or Donald Trump on immigration.

00:54:07.180 I just don't need that.

00:54:08.660 What I do need them to do is empower their local officials to help our local or help our federal officials out

00:54:15.960 in a way where this can be a little bit less chaotic and it can be a little bit more targeted.

00:54:20.740 Like if we're trying to find a sex offender, tell us where the guy lives.

00:54:25.320 Right. Seems to make perfect sense, does it not?

00:54:28.340 But they won't.

00:54:29.440 They're much more focused on their little theatrics and their walkout.

00:54:33.620 They're doing a walkout today at 2 p.m., I think, Minnesota time, out of school, out of work.

00:54:38.500 Didn't we just try that on Tuesday?

00:54:40.180 I guess it didn't get enough attention.

00:54:42.120 Jane Fonda is going to be on site because, yeah, she's never seen a leftist cause.

00:54:46.600 She doesn't want to join.

00:54:47.940 So we'll report on how that goes to you when we come back on Monday.

00:54:51.400 In the meantime, we've got antics like this from college kids from the University of Minnesota in Sot 41A,

00:54:58.260 protesting outside of a hotel late at night, making all sorts of noise,

00:55:02.140 trying to keep the vice president awake, believing that he was inside trying to get some sleep for the night.

00:55:10.420 Okay, this comes from Jess Palmadessa on TikTok.

00:55:24.800 She got this.

00:55:26.300 And the problem for these protesters is that J.D. Vance had left Minnesota five hours before that happened.

00:55:34.120 And so, you know, like a little bit of homework could really save you a lot of time.

00:55:39.300 Instead, though, the hotel and more importantly, the local police appear to have let these protesters

00:55:45.500 disturb the peace for every other person staying in that hotel, not to mention the surrounding area,

00:55:53.720 for who knows how long.

00:55:56.500 I guess they considered it worth it because they thought they might be upsetting J.D. Vance,

00:56:01.680 who was long gone and probably by this point asleep at the vice president's residence in Washington, D.C.

00:56:07.760 Can you imagine if you were in that hotel how angry you would be? 1.00

00:56:11.040 What kind of bullshit is that? 1.00

00:56:13.280 Okay, these people are nuts. 1.00

00:56:15.440 I think we know that. 1.00

00:56:17.220 And that's why they protested at that church, because they're truly nuts. 0.99

00:56:20.640 By the way, J.D. had a message for them, too. 0.99

00:56:22.680 And this was where he was much more firm.

00:56:26.400 You know, he gave them points where he could like, okay, we're going to look into that.

00:56:30.620 We definitely don't want what racial profiling said.

00:56:33.360 You know, we will look into that.

00:56:34.720 But on some things you could tell he knew he was on terra firma and he acted like it.

00:56:39.100 SOT 21.

00:56:40.180 It's very simple.

00:56:41.000 And most of these protesters, as much as I may disagree with their politics, most of them have been peaceful,

00:56:46.680 but a lot of them have not been peaceful.

00:56:48.520 And if you go and storm a church, if you go and insult a federal law enforcement officer, we're going to try very hard.

00:56:55.440 We're going to use every resource of the federal government to put you in prison.

00:56:58.400 Respect people's rights. 0.90

00:56:59.900 Respect people's rights to worship. 0.95

00:57:01.780 Respect people's rights to do their job without being assaulted.

00:57:04.560 If you follow that basic principle, the Trump administration is going to do everything that we can to protect your rights.

00:57:09.760 But if you go after somebody, if you assault somebody, if you make a nine-year-old girl cry because you walked into a church and harassed her,

00:57:17.220 we're going to go after you with every single tool.

00:57:20.640 Great.

00:57:21.300 That's exactly right.

00:57:22.760 And that's what we heard, of course, from Harmeet Dillon, too, that they made sure these charges were brought before this Sunday

00:57:27.880 so that people could go to service in peace and not have to worry about being harassed. 0.99

00:57:33.760 So good for him, and he made that unambiguous, and I think everybody there has gotten the message that you try this shit, you're going to have handcuffs on you. 0.99

00:57:41.980 And I don't give two shits what Don Lemon thinks. 0.99

00:57:44.700 Good for them for slapping the cuffs on and doing a perp walk. 0.99

00:57:48.620 That was the point.

00:57:50.900 It was necessary to send a message that we are not going to tolerate this nonsense at all.

00:57:57.520 You comply or you get the handcuffs and the perp walk.

00:58:00.820 Got it?

00:58:01.960 Very simple. 1.00

00:58:02.780 Even these dumbasses should be able to follow it. 1.00

00:58:06.020 And I do mean dumbasses. 0.99

00:58:07.260 I've been trying to find a place to show you this. 0.99

00:58:09.600 Our whole team has been laughing about this all week.

00:58:12.720 You know, they've gotten really nutty out there.

00:58:14.940 We showed you that, I think it was a trans person. 0.60

00:58:17.740 She was bald with the nose ring.

00:58:20.300 They all have the nose ring.

00:58:22.120 Heavy, kind of sweaty.

00:58:24.640 Was singing some sort of operatic about how much she hated ice.

00:58:29.980 There's been some charmers here.

00:58:31.460 By the way, it's not going well for Lizzie, who's looking for a date desperately.

00:58:35.920 Very, very sad update in the Lizzie case, which we'll get to at some point.

00:58:39.460 But let me bring you here to this lady who decided to make use of the anti-ice version of the battle hymn of the Republic for the listening audience. 0.96

00:58:48.380 Because she has an entire basket on her face. 1.00

00:58:53.120 There's a whole basket on her face here. 1.00

00:58:55.800 Instead of a basket case, she's a basket face. 1.00

00:58:58.840 Sop 41B.

00:58:59.660 Glory, glory, hallelujah.

00:59:04.460 You will get what's coming to ya.

00:59:08.420 It looks like a KKK hat.

00:59:09.920 Glory, glory, hallelujah.

00:59:11.620 With like the top of a wicker laundry basket on the front. 0.95

00:59:13.940 As the mask.

00:59:15.120 Let the children come to me.

00:59:18.680 The son of God has said. 1.00

00:59:21.360 Ice agents would rather put a bullet in their head. 0.99

00:59:25.080 Where will you be going when you wind up good and dead? 1.00

00:59:31.960 Your soul will rot in hell. 0.99

00:59:36.700 Oh, I mean, she's got the tune. 0.87

00:59:39.080 I mean, she can carry a tune. 1.00

00:59:40.860 I mean, I suppose it's just for attention, right?

00:59:42.840 And she got on the Megyn Kelly show, so good for her.

00:59:45.160 But these are not well people.

00:59:47.160 Like, who would look at that and say, that's my team.

00:59:49.500 Yeah, I want to sign up to be part of that.

00:59:51.900 And like, all I can think is that line from Joey Tribbiani in Friends,

00:59:56.580 how he's lamenting his life, how he thought he'd be a movie star.

00:59:59.340 But now I find myself teaching acting to young people, 0.85

01:00:03.280 most of whom are too ugly to ever be on TV.

01:00:05.900 That's, I think, probably what that girl's problem is. 1.00

01:00:08.320 So she went with the laundry basket,

01:00:11.060 wicker approach to her mask problem, to her face. 0.97

01:00:15.900 Okay, speaking of nutcases,

01:00:18.040 here, there's a couple of them here.

01:00:20.200 Now, this person, you know how Jesse Kelly,

01:00:24.280 like, takes bets on what the likely professions are of these people?

01:00:27.960 And he, I think he usually,

01:00:29.700 one of the things he definitely always picks is school teacher and possible nurse.

01:00:35.080 Yeah, here we go.

01:00:36.720 So there's a registered nurse here from Ohio

01:00:39.700 who posts a video about Caroline Leavitt,

01:00:44.680 who you may know is pregnant with her second baby.

01:00:48.120 She's expecting a baby girl who will have a big brother

01:00:51.460 who's only about a year and a half older than she is.

01:00:54.260 And, you know, that's the kind of thing you can put partisan politics aside on

01:00:58.080 and say, congrats.

01:00:58.860 It's wonderful.

01:00:59.460 The continuation of the human race, sweet babies being born.

01:01:03.380 Love it.

01:01:04.720 Not so much for certain leftists.

01:01:07.360 Take a look at this lady in Stop 42. 1.00

01:01:09.380 My wish for Caroline Lovett.

01:01:11.880 She is pregnant with a baby girl.

01:01:14.900 And I truly do hope that baby is so healthy.

01:01:20.080 I hope she's healthy and headstrong. 0.57

01:01:23.640 So headstrong, in fact,

01:01:25.460 that as she is emerging into this world

01:01:28.640 through Caroline's geriatric deck garage, 0.99

01:01:34.180 that she tears her from bow to fucking stern. 0.99

01:01:39.820 Grade four tear. 0.99

01:01:41.860 Like, so big that when she gets out of the shower naked

01:01:45.860 and walks across the room,

01:01:47.100 like, she accidentally picks up dog toys.

01:01:51.720 Yeah.

01:01:53.160 That's my wish for you, Caroline. 1.00

01:01:55.660 What a pig. 1.00

01:02:00.000 I mean, truly, what a disgusting, foul pig. 1.00

01:02:04.980 That person is closer to swine than she is to anything I know 1.00

01:02:09.240 as, like, a decent human. 0.88

01:02:12.260 I like, I don't get that.

01:02:13.820 That's, it's so, it's so on brand for the same team

01:02:17.380 that's been imitating the Charlie Kirk assassination gleefully.

01:02:22.060 You know, the people with the shooting in the neck,

01:02:24.040 like it's something we should make fun of.

01:02:26.180 Like that Lucy Garcia. 1.00

01:02:28.800 As far as I know, still with the teachers union in Chicago.

01:02:32.340 And now here's this nurse who has taken down her account. 1.00

01:02:35.800 So right on, MAGA.

01:02:37.280 Because you sent her a message about decency. 1.00

01:02:40.200 And how we're not going to tolerate that shit. 1.00

01:02:42.820 She will be shamed. 1.00

01:02:44.340 We're not going to hurt her,

01:02:45.640 but she's going to be shamed.

01:02:47.260 And her employer should be told

01:02:48.400 that this is what she wishes for Republican women. 0.91

01:02:52.660 Caroline Levitt hasn't done anything.

01:02:53.780 She doesn't set policy. 1.00

01:02:55.060 She's a spokesperson for President Trump.

01:02:56.740 So really her sin is that she's pro-Trump

01:02:59.140 and she's a Republican woman. 0.95

01:03:00.480 And that woman should come nowhere near 1.00

01:03:03.360 right-leaning women in a hospital. 1.00

01:03:06.020 Nowhere near.

01:03:08.200 Is she a labor and delivery nurse?

01:03:10.740 Is she hoping for a grade four tear, 1.00

01:03:13.740 you disgusting, filthy pig, 1.00

01:03:15.300 for any right-leaning woman? 1.00

01:03:16.980 Um, this is sick. 1.00

01:03:19.700 This is actual mental illness.

01:03:21.520 And I'm sorry to tell you,

01:03:22.940 she's not alone.

01:03:24.380 Here's another leftist woman on TikTok

01:03:26.540 talking about the newly pregnant,

01:03:30.200 or at least it's been newly announced.

01:03:31.940 The baby's due in July.

01:03:33.760 Usha Vance, our second lady.

01:03:35.920 Sop 40. 0.91

01:03:37.320 Usha Vance, that is gross.

01:03:39.440 See y'all, that's why it is so important

01:03:40.960 that we teach our daughters

01:03:42.100 to have self-love and self-respect.

01:03:45.240 There is no amount of proximity to power or money.

01:03:49.860 The quickness with which I would be in my closet

01:03:52.940 looking for a hanger.

01:03:54.560 The amount of penny royalty I would be drinking.

01:03:58.640 The size of the staircase.

01:04:01.660 Okay?

01:04:03.200 Does Erica know?

01:04:05.440 Did y'all like text her personally?

01:04:07.340 Or does she find out on the interwebs

01:04:09.440 like the rest of us? 0.96

01:04:11.380 Gross. 0.99

01:04:12.100 Here she's pretending to throw up. 1.00

01:04:19.040 So she wants Usha to kill JD's baby 1.00

01:04:21.640 with a coat hanger. 1.00

01:04:23.680 That's her advice.

01:04:25.800 That she should do anything.

01:04:27.660 Drink copious amounts of alcohol.

01:04:29.920 Throw herself down a flight of stairs, etc. 1.00

01:04:31.940 To kill her child, her baby boy, 1.00

01:04:36.580 that she shares with the sitting vice president. 1.00

01:04:38.920 Because of politics.

01:04:39.920 Usha Vance, again, what has she done?

01:04:43.400 She married someone she fell in love with at Yale Law School.

01:04:45.820 She went on to become a successful lawyer.

01:04:47.380 Like, really successful.

01:04:48.400 You know, clerk for Chief Justice John Roberts 0.95

01:04:50.500 if you're not really damn smart. 0.92

01:04:53.260 Practice law. 0.95

01:04:54.480 Was a supporting, loving wife and mother.

01:04:57.280 Has three kids already.

01:04:58.820 Two boys and a girl.

01:04:59.600 And now another boy on the way.

01:05:00.820 And this woman wants her to throw herself down a flight of stairs 1.00

01:05:03.120 or stick a coat hanger in her uterus 1.00

01:05:05.620 so that the child can be killed. 1.00

01:05:07.960 I mean, the level of depravity here is beyond.

01:05:11.040 Not to mention the gratuitous reference to Erica,

01:05:13.760 a leftist fantasy that JD and Erica are having an affair

01:05:16.400 because Erica gave him one of Erica's great hugs,

01:05:19.140 as you guys saw her do to me on the tour. 0.99

01:05:22.780 It's not sexual.

01:05:24.320 It's loving.

01:05:25.200 She's a spiritual person.

01:05:27.020 I mean, truly, Erica hugs you

01:05:28.180 when you feel like you're closer to God. 0.99

01:05:30.140 But this pig wants to find something nefarious in it 0.99

01:05:34.060 or disloyal in some way 0.98

01:05:36.060 because JD Vance was on the receiving end

01:05:38.080 of an Erica Kirk hug.

01:05:39.460 There's no saving these people.

01:05:40.920 I mean, it's a cult. 0.98

01:05:43.000 It's a bizarre cult of weirdo leftist hate. 0.97

01:05:49.000 That's what we're seeing there. 0.97

01:05:51.040 And I mean, look, we're used to seeing it

01:05:52.860 in so many contexts,

01:05:54.420 but Minnesota has really brought out the crazies, right?

01:05:57.140 There's a lot of these TikTok videos

01:05:59.280 inspired by what we're seeing in Minnesota

01:06:02.200 and the ice crackdowns.

01:06:03.900 One, one actually brought me some joy.

01:06:06.760 I'm not gonna lie.

01:06:07.880 It's from my favorite Patti LuPone and yours too.

01:06:10.640 Come on, yours too by this point.

01:06:13.420 Even if you, I know most of you

01:06:15.400 do not live anywhere near Broadway in New York,

01:06:18.500 but most people at one point or another

01:06:21.080 in their lives have been to Broadway

01:06:22.320 and seen a Broadway show.

01:06:23.360 And this woman is like the queen of Broadway. 1.00

01:06:25.940 And she's so fun in her hate.

01:06:27.920 Like I have to tell you, I adore her meltdowns. 1.00

01:06:31.840 She's like a, she's on the razor's edge. 1.00

01:06:37.380 She's a hair trigger away from losing it at all times.

01:06:41.400 She's like a Katie Porter, this gal. 0.91

01:06:43.660 So before I show you the latest,

01:06:45.960 I'm just gonna walk you down a little memory lane

01:06:47.400 with Patti because, you know, she's so fun.

01:06:49.700 I went to her show.

01:06:51.120 I went to her show company a couple of years ago

01:06:55.280 with two of my priest friends

01:06:56.720 and she behaved herself on stage,

01:06:58.940 but it was during COVID

01:07:00.240 and you still had to have your mask up.

01:07:02.300 And man, if you didn't have that mask

01:07:03.400 all the way up to the nose,

01:07:04.280 those ushers were like, masks up, masks up. 0.63

01:07:06.500 I was like, hello.

01:07:08.080 Okay, but anyway, here she was right around that timeframe.

01:07:11.280 After the fact, they were sitting there

01:07:13.700 having like a Q and A and boy, oh boy,

01:07:16.840 she was not happy that one of the audience members

01:07:19.180 didn't have the mask.

01:07:20.340 Just as Patti likes it here in SOT 48C.

01:07:23.800 Put your mask over your nose.

01:07:25.760 That's why you're in the theater.

01:07:27.660 That is the rule.

01:07:28.800 If you don't want to follow the rule, 1.00

01:07:30.580 get the fuck out. 1.00

01:07:33.860 Okay. 0.99

01:07:36.960 I'm one of your fans.

01:07:38.180 You do not respect the people

01:07:39.920 that are sitting around you.

01:07:43.020 You pay my salary. 1.00

01:07:44.540 Bullshit. 1.00

01:07:45.580 Chris Harper pays my salary. 1.00

01:07:47.860 Who do you think you are?

01:07:50.140 Give me a hundred. 0.98

01:07:52.360 Just put your mask over your nose.

01:07:56.640 Yeah.

01:07:57.420 So she's a really lovely lady. 0.99

01:07:59.900 That's not all.

01:08:01.000 She went on The View in 2023

01:08:02.820 and had this message.

01:08:05.700 SOT 48D.

01:08:06.440 I don't know what the difference

01:08:08.240 between our Christian right

01:08:09.420 and the Taliban is.

01:08:10.960 I have no idea what the difference is.

01:08:12.780 You're not the only person

01:08:13.840 who has said that.

01:08:14.980 I don't.

01:08:15.840 I just don't know what the difference is.

01:08:17.980 What's happening in this country right now

01:08:19.860 in the name of religion

01:08:20.840 is so dangerous.

01:08:23.540 Okay.

01:08:24.000 So she thought it would be a good time

01:08:25.980 to weigh in on Minneapolis.

01:08:27.780 And this time she has some inspiration.

01:08:30.440 It's an inspirational message

01:08:31.960 for the protesters.

01:08:33.700 Take a look at this latest Instagram post.

01:08:37.380 SOT 48B.

01:08:38.160 I'm Patti LuPone.

01:08:39.660 I am standing in solidarity

01:08:40.940 with the brave people of Minnesota

01:08:42.620 who are fighting back

01:08:43.900 against the hostile takeover

01:08:45.300 of their state by ICE

01:08:46.680 and the Trump administration

01:08:48.260 with a day of truth and freedom.

01:08:50.780 January 23rd.

01:08:52.040 Bug ICE.

01:08:52.340 Tomorrow.

01:08:53.760 Minnesotans are coming together

01:08:55.220 to protest ICE

01:08:56.420 with a general strike.

01:08:57.840 That means no work,

01:08:58.560 no school,

01:08:59.760 no shopping.

01:09:01.060 We still have our First Amendment rights

01:09:03.120 to free speech

01:09:03.920 and to protest.

01:09:05.460 And the best way

01:09:06.080 to protect those rights

01:09:07.260 is to use them.

01:09:09.240 How ICE is treating our neighbors

01:09:10.840 is horrifying and wrong.

01:09:13.220 If you'd like to support

01:09:14.300 our Minnesotan brothers and sisters,

01:09:16.400 go to ICEOutMN.com

01:09:19.300 for more information.

01:09:21.060 If you're in Minnesota,

01:09:22.480 join the march tomorrow

01:09:23.520 at 2 p.m.

01:09:24.340 in the Commons downtown.

01:09:26.500 I'm with you, Minnesota.

01:09:27.640 We all are.

01:09:30.200 Oh my gosh.

01:09:31.420 She looks terrifying.

01:09:33.360 For the listening audience,

01:09:34.380 she's got the very short 0.99

01:09:35.680 sort of, you know,

01:09:37.080 I don't know what you,

01:09:37.980 like not even a bob,

01:09:39.000 just like a man's hair.

01:09:40.580 Very, very short.

01:09:41.820 She's got blue glasses on

01:09:44.180 and she looks like a hostage.

01:09:46.640 You gotta go look at this online,

01:09:49.020 please, the listening audience.

01:09:50.360 She looks terrifying

01:09:51.960 and terrified at the same time.

01:09:54.400 And what is with

01:09:56.080 the hard pronunciation

01:09:57.580 of every consonant?

01:10:00.520 Is that her theatrical training?

01:10:03.460 Because to it, I object.

01:10:06.900 We, Steve,

01:10:08.200 you gotta find the number

01:10:08.920 of the episode

01:10:09.480 where we went back

01:10:10.180 and did the long,

01:10:11.500 long Patti LuPone story.

01:10:13.120 It was one of my favorite things ever.

01:10:14.820 You guys remember this?

01:10:15.840 Where she got into this fight

01:10:17.580 with the fellow Broadway actress,

01:10:19.560 a couple of them.

01:10:20.280 But the other actress 0.98

01:10:22.300 who really she got in the fight with 0.94

01:10:24.140 was black. 0.88

01:10:25.280 So, you know,

01:10:26.880 Patti LuPone's

01:10:28.080 side of the aisles rules. 1.00

01:10:29.780 Patti loses, bitch. 1.00

01:10:32.180 Sorry. 1.00

01:10:33.100 The old white lady 0.95

01:10:34.280 never defeats 0.99

01:10:36.120 the younger black lady. 1.00

01:10:37.580 That's the rule

01:10:38.200 on your side, Patti.

01:10:39.500 I didn't make them.

01:10:40.520 You did.

01:10:41.000 And now you're gonna have

01:10:41.520 to listen to it.

01:10:42.520 So what happened there was

01:10:43.720 she was in a show,

01:10:45.340 Patti called The Roommate,

01:10:46.440 which shared a wall,

01:10:47.440 the theater,

01:10:47.780 with actress Keisha Lewis's show,

01:10:50.420 Hell's Kitchen,

01:10:51.120 which is the Alicia Keys musical.

01:10:53.060 And Patti was upset 0.94

01:10:55.340 because it was too loud.

01:10:56.840 She spoke with the head

01:10:57.400 of the other theater.

01:10:57.980 She asked him

01:10:58.360 if he could fix the noise problem

01:10:59.580 because it's a musical.

01:11:00.960 It's Alicia Keys.

01:11:02.080 It's loud.

01:11:02.760 Well,

01:11:03.680 Keisha thought that was racist

01:11:05.140 because she labeled 0.62

01:11:06.520 a black show loud.

01:11:09.600 We actually have it.

01:11:10.940 It's 48E,

01:11:12.660 just for fun.

01:11:13.300 Let's listen to Keisha Lewis.

01:11:14.360 Miss LuPone,

01:11:14.900 these actions,

01:11:16.060 in my opinion,

01:11:16.760 are bullying.

01:11:18.380 They're offensive.

01:11:19.780 They're racially microaggressive.

01:11:21.920 They're rude.

01:11:23.120 They're rooted in privilege.

01:11:24.480 And these actions

01:11:25.500 also lack a sense

01:11:26.560 of community and leadership

01:11:27.900 for someone as yourself

01:11:29.440 who has been in the business

01:11:30.700 as long as you have.

01:11:32.340 I want to explain

01:11:33.120 what a microaggression is.

01:11:35.620 These are subtle,

01:11:36.700 unintentional comments

01:11:37.960 or actions

01:11:38.780 that convey stereotypes,

01:11:40.480 biases,

01:11:41.080 or negative assumptions

01:11:42.320 about someone

01:11:43.520 based on their race.

01:11:44.820 examples include

01:11:46.260 calling a black show

01:11:47.540 loud

01:11:48.140 in a way

01:11:49.440 that dismisses it.

01:11:51.560 Referring to a predominantly

01:11:52.660 black Broadway show

01:11:54.000 as loud

01:11:54.780 can unintentionally

01:11:56.060 reinforce harmful stereotypes.

01:11:58.480 And it also feels

01:11:59.300 dismissive

01:12:00.160 of the artistry

01:12:01.660 and the voices

01:12:02.320 that are being celebrated

01:12:03.440 on stage.

01:12:05.160 Miss LuPone,

01:12:05.720 I respectfully submit to you

01:12:07.040 that you owe us

01:12:07.740 an apology,

01:12:09.240 not flowers.

01:12:09.980 Okay, well,

01:12:12.960 she wasn't ready

01:12:13.660 to apologize

01:12:14.340 because then Patti 0.99

01:12:15.120 sat down with the New Yorker

01:12:16.300 and they talked all about

01:12:17.480 her little controversy.

01:12:19.340 And here's the quote,

01:12:20.380 Oh my God,

01:12:21.500 Patti LuPone said,

01:12:22.760 balking when I brought up

01:12:23.940 the incident.

01:12:24.860 Here's the problem.

01:12:26.100 She's talking here

01:12:26.840 about that actress, 1.00

01:12:29.100 Keisha Lewis.

01:12:30.800 She calls herself

01:12:31.760 a veteran.

01:12:32.700 Let's find out

01:12:33.440 how many Broadway shows

01:12:34.880 Keisha Lewis has done

01:12:36.180 because she doesn't know 0.99

01:12:37.360 what the fuck 1.00

01:12:37.960 she's talking about. 1.00

01:12:38.940 She, she googled

01:12:41.360 how many she had done.

01:12:43.020 She's done seven.

01:12:44.500 I've done 31.

01:12:46.620 Don't call yourself 1.00

01:12:47.740 a vet, bitch. 1.00

01:12:50.080 She's so charming. 1.00

01:12:51.600 But she really, really

01:12:52.880 wants you to go

01:12:53.980 to the Minneapolis protest

01:12:55.180 because she stands

01:12:56.000 in solidarity

01:12:56.780 with Minnesota.

01:12:59.060 Okay, that's your

01:13:00.140 moral leader there.

01:13:01.780 By the way,

01:13:03.320 then there was a pylon

01:13:04.260 of literally

01:13:05.620 600 Broadway stars

01:13:08.500 calling her racist

01:13:10.360 and degrading 0.99

01:13:11.640 and misogynistic. 0.97

01:13:13.520 And then guess what she did?

01:13:14.460 Oh, and then they pulled

01:13:15.420 the real Trump card.

01:13:17.060 They said she should not

01:13:17.680 be welcome to industry events

01:13:18.860 including the Tonys,

01:13:20.200 fundraisers,

01:13:20.740 and public programs.

01:13:21.380 And guess what

01:13:21.840 Patti LuPone did? 0.77

01:13:23.060 Oh, she got down

01:13:24.360 on that knee

01:13:25.260 and bent it.

01:13:26.540 She bent it,

01:13:27.860 my friends.

01:13:29.120 Wasn't so angry

01:13:30.660 in the moment.

01:13:31.500 She used her best

01:13:32.900 theatrical skills

01:13:34.380 to feign empathy

01:13:36.240 for the black community

01:13:37.620 to whom she had 0.55

01:13:38.540 caused such offense.

01:13:40.280 And they forgave her

01:13:41.600 and now she's still 0.59

01:13:42.960 trying to curry favor

01:13:43.900 with them,

01:13:44.900 sending her support

01:13:46.460 to the protesters

01:13:48.080 of Minnesota.

01:13:50.940 So that's Patti LuPone.

01:13:52.420 That was an important one

01:13:53.620 for me to get to.

01:13:54.400 While we're on the subject 0.99

01:13:56.000 of silly women 1.00

01:13:57.560 doing silly things, 1.00

01:13:58.840 yesterday Amy Klobuchar 0.72

01:14:01.460 announced that,

01:14:02.460 well, she didn't announce 0.96

01:14:03.240 that she's running

01:14:03.720 for governor of Minnesota,

01:14:04.520 but she filed the paperwork.

01:14:06.880 So that's the first step.

01:14:07.720 She's got it.

01:14:08.060 She's obviously running.

01:14:09.780 And it made some

01:14:11.900 bring back

01:14:13.040 a very funny clip

01:14:15.300 of Amy Klobuchar

01:14:16.000 because when she decided

01:14:17.020 to run for president

01:14:17.920 in 2020,

01:14:19.460 and you remember

01:14:20.420 Trump was going to be

01:14:21.360 the Republican

01:14:21.760 on the other side,

01:14:23.680 she announced it

01:14:25.420 on a very snowy day

01:14:26.920 in Minnesota.

01:14:27.500 and she was

01:14:30.400 at that presidential

01:14:32.100 announcement

01:14:32.580 reading a pre-written speech

01:14:34.040 that didn't really

01:14:34.640 factor in

01:14:35.400 what it was going

01:14:36.420 to look like.

01:14:36.920 We're showing

01:14:37.240 the visual audience

01:14:38.660 video of her.

01:14:40.160 She's got white hair. 0.82

01:14:41.800 Her hair is brown.

01:14:42.780 Her hair is completely

01:14:43.880 white in this clip.

01:14:45.060 She's in the middle 0.84

01:14:45.580 of a blizzard blowout

01:14:46.900 and the speech

01:14:49.960 is all about climate change

01:14:51.460 and global warming

01:14:53.400 and how it's so warm.

01:14:55.600 Like, literally,

01:14:56.280 she's covered in snow.

01:14:57.700 So Trump made fun of her

01:14:59.520 at the time

01:15:00.080 and said

01:15:00.940 she looked like

01:15:01.940 a snow woman.

01:15:03.300 You know,

01:15:03.460 it's just a whatever,

01:15:04.100 a passing tweet

01:15:04.700 that he did

01:15:05.100 her true social,

01:15:05.840 like she looks

01:15:06.200 like a snow woman.

01:15:07.300 Well,

01:15:08.340 in honor of this

01:15:09.040 weekend storm,

01:15:09.780 I think some people

01:15:10.380 and her, you know,

01:15:11.100 filing the paperwork

01:15:11.800 for governor yesterday,

01:15:13.080 some people decided

01:15:13.880 to dredge up

01:15:14.840 a clip.

01:15:16.680 And let me just

01:15:17.320 show you something.

01:15:17.700 So Amy Klobuchar

01:15:18.480 had a comeback to Trump

01:15:19.600 on Twitter

01:15:20.300 at the time.

01:15:22.040 You're going to hear

01:15:22.700 what it was

01:15:23.180 in this clip.

01:15:23.700 And let me just tell you,

01:15:25.820 she was really,

01:15:27.960 really proud

01:15:29.600 of her comeback.

01:15:31.220 Look at this.

01:15:32.560 It was put together

01:15:33.340 by The Daily Show

01:15:35.120 in 2019

01:15:35.840 and resurfaced

01:15:36.640 on X just recently.

01:15:38.700 The president

01:15:39.500 actually sent out

01:15:40.640 a tweet.

01:15:41.180 He made fun of me

01:15:42.080 for talking about

01:15:43.320 climate change

01:15:44.200 in the middle

01:15:44.640 of a blizzard

01:15:45.220 and he called me

01:15:46.620 snow woman.

01:15:49.080 So I wrote back,

01:15:51.020 hey, Donald Trump,

01:15:51.920 the science is on my side

01:15:53.640 and I'd like to see

01:15:54.980 how your hair

01:15:56.000 would fare

01:15:56.680 in a blizzard.

01:15:58.680 So I wrote back,

01:16:00.560 hey, Donald Trump,

01:16:01.520 the science is on my side

01:16:03.180 and I'd like to see

01:16:04.500 how your hair

01:16:05.520 would fare

01:16:06.240 in a blizzard.

01:16:07.960 So I wrote back,

01:16:09.860 Donald Trump,

01:16:11.300 the science

01:16:11.980 is on my side

01:16:13.480 and I'd like to see

01:16:16.000 how your hair

01:16:17.160 would fare

01:16:17.860 in a blizzard.

01:16:18.860 There are 10,000 more examples, literally. I mean, there might actually be 10,000. There are

01:16:25.960 definitely dozens, dozens. She tells it the same way every time. How your hair would fare in a

01:16:31.960 blizzard. All I could think about when I watched it was the amazing Parker Posey and the absurd

01:16:37.460 characters that she plays from Best in Show, which was spectacular. And then most recently,

01:16:42.480 her appearance with that fake Southern accent in The White Lotus. We queued up a little bit

01:16:46.680 of it just so you can see where my mind went. Here it is.

01:16:50.640 He flew over the North Pole. But you're not a Buddhist. She's so gentle, but also firm.

01:16:58.180 You want to live in Taiwan? Because you need your family. You do. Most people don't have good values.

01:17:08.780 You're getting me? Are you picking up what I'm putting down? Like she's giving off Parker Posey

01:17:13.160 vibes. How your hair would look in a blizzard. It's like she's having, you know, some bathroom

01:17:20.640 issues. Okay. Anyway, she could be the next governor of Minnesota. I feel like she's going to fit in just 1.00

01:17:26.080 perfectly out there. She's going to replace tampon, possibly. We'll see. We'll see about that.

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01:19:46.080 It had been fairly quiet in the Justin Baldoni versus Blake Lively legal saga the last few weeks,

01:19:56.540 but that changed days ago. They have a May trial date. Justin Baldoni is trying to get the case

01:20:02.760 tossed before that. He wants judgment in his favor on the papers, summary judgment, saying there's no

01:20:08.440 issue of material fact for a jury to decide on these sexual harassment claims, which is the basis,

01:20:13.160 the basic case and claim against him, and that the judge should end this case in his favor right now.

01:20:19.920 As part of his filings, we saw for the first time yesterday, they argued at the hearing this motion.

01:20:25.900 So this week, his motion was released. It was unsealed. Daily Mail got their hands on it.

01:20:29.920 A number of messages from A-list celebrities, including some very mean girl chats between Lively

01:20:35.160 and none other than Taylor Swift. Here to help us break it all down and tell us what it means

01:20:40.540 legally are two of our favorites and MK True Crime hosts, criminal defense attorneys,

01:20:46.100 Mark Eiglarsh and Mark Garagos. Go and subscribe to MK True Crime now on YouTube and all podcast

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01:20:59.180 can follow them. Big announcements to come, by the way. Mark and Mark, welcome. Boy, oh boy,

01:21:03.820 that May trial is going to keep you guys very, very busy. Okay. But yes. So, so this was the defense

01:21:08.940 Baldoni trying to get the case thrown out. And before we get into the many, many, many texts,

01:21:14.260 which are very interesting, let's face it. How do you think it went for the defense,

01:21:18.780 Mark Eiglarsh, yesterday? Do you think they have a shot?

01:21:21.840 Anyone's got a shot, you know, like dumb and dumber. You know, I think this judge is going to 1.00

01:21:26.680 let a jury decide factually whether there's enough here. You know, if we're talking about the

01:21:32.840 regular workplace, when you ask someone how heavy they are, or if you kiss them a little bit too

01:21:37.900 much when they don't want that, it would seem that's outrageous. That's, you know, that's not

01:21:43.440 good at all for anyone being accused. But when you're making a romantic movie and there's kissing

01:21:49.780 already involved and he needs to lift her, for example, so he needs to know possibly how much she

01:21:55.860 weighs, or that was just an inappropriate comment, you know, right. So, you know, the difficulty is going

01:22:02.740 to be lively being able to prove that this really rose to the level of what she's alleging.

01:22:08.380 My general impression yesterday, Mark Garagos, is that's what the defense was saying. Like,

01:22:14.140 these are petty Annie complaints that cannot possibly rise to the level of, like, serious and

01:22:19.620 pervasive that would be needed to be able to prove a hostile work environment existed on that set,

01:22:25.720 especially considering that it was like this sexy film that involved a lot of very sexually charged

01:22:33.040 scenes. And she knew that going in. But the judge, to the extent he said anything, seems to have kind

01:22:40.420 of not sided with Blake Lively, but kind of been like, eh, all those little things, if you add them

01:22:46.440 all up, can equal a problematic environment. So what was your take on it?

01:22:52.200 So in full disclosure, I think I've told you this before, and you have disclosed as well,

01:22:57.900 Brian Friedman could not be a closer friend. I have not talked to him about this, but somebody else who

01:23:05.240 was in the courtroom said, this judge is so over this case that it's palpable. And I will tell you

01:23:13.480 that if I'm Blake Lively, I don't understand what that AI created lawyer of hers is doing 1.00

01:23:20.460 in this case, because all of the stuff that was revealed in terms of the text, what you labeled

01:23:28.480 mean girl text, which I don't think there's a good way to put a spin on them if you're Lively or

01:23:33.660 Taylor Swift, I think make this look like a pox on both their houses at this point. And I don't know

01:23:41.080 if he's going to kick it, but I've been in a courtroom with federal judges who just can't take

01:23:46.720 another minute of it. And I get the feeling that that's where we're headed in this case.

01:23:52.200 All right. Well, I mean, he only has, the only power he has to get rid of it is to grant the motion

01:23:57.460 for summary judgment that Justin has filed. Short of that, he can encourage settlement talks, but

01:24:02.080 we all know as you guys, current lawyers and yours truly as a recovering one, they can't force us to do

01:24:08.240 that. And we can hold out just as long as we want to. And that's, that's one of the few powers we and

01:24:12.300 our clients actually have over the judge. He cannot tell us when the case must go away unless he

01:24:17.000 actually dismisses it. Um, so here's my overall take on the client on the, on the text. And then

01:24:22.340 we'll read specific ones. I think they make Blake Lively look like she was conniving, um, behind the

01:24:28.580 scenes for the entire time. She was actively working to, to marshal forces against Justin, whether it was

01:24:34.920 her co-stars, her husband, uh, a-list Hollywood talent, Taylor Swift, all of whom she wanted to

01:24:41.660 sort of generate buzz behind her to say her cut of the movie. Cause she, you know, Brian, Brian Friedman

01:24:46.980 is Justin's lawyer along with some others, um, that Brian's claim that she was basically just

01:24:51.980 resting control away from him. And these fake sexual harassment allegations were just part of it.

01:24:57.080 Like she, she was a bitch. She tried to take over the movie. She got a bunch of negative publicity 1.00

01:25:02.740 because she was promoting her hairline products when she's pushing a movie about domestic violence. 1.00

01:25:08.600 And there was a backlash in the press. And then she got her hands on some PR people who work with

01:25:14.980 Justin on their text exchanges about her, just talking about what a nightmare she was and how

01:25:20.420 they were enjoying some of her bad publicity. But she hasn't, as far as I understand, been able to

01:25:25.560 prove that they were the genesis of the bad publicity. That's her theory, but she's going to have to

01:25:30.720 prove that at court. The negative text celebrating her getting bad press doesn't mean that they caused

01:25:35.800 it all. In fact, he says he didn't cause any of it. She caused it. But what you see here is a woman 0.99

01:25:40.880 who is determined to arrest control of the film from him, as Brian's alleging, who is doing her best

01:25:46.740 with her A-list celebrities to push support for her cut of the film, which normally an actress doesn't

01:25:52.520 even get. For her to kind of threaten Justin in some texts about her, you know, her dragons,

01:25:59.160 Ryan Reynolds, her husband, and Taylor Swift, which we've seen before. But then some longer versions

01:26:03.560 of that. And then there are the texts with her co-stars. This guy, Brandon, is it Sklenar?

01:26:11.600 Sklenar? Sklenar. He was in The Housemaid and quite dreamy. I'm just going to note for the record.

01:26:17.400 He was a very good looking guy. Her texts with him and her texts with this other woman,

01:26:24.200 is it Rachel Scott? I have them here someplace. Show a woman who is determined to get bad things 1.00

01:26:32.800 said about Justin Baldoni. Let me start with Taylor Swift because that's what everybody wants to hear.

01:26:38.620 Okay. First, she gets it in the New York Times that she had filed a complaint against him with the

01:26:45.340 California Civil Rights Department saying that he sexually harassed her. And she's thrilled that 1.00

01:26:49.840 she's getting this bad publicity for Justin Baldoni. And Taylor Swift texts her on December 21st after

01:26:56.800 it hits, you won, you did it, you effing, except it's not effing, it's spelled out, helps so many

01:27:02.920 people who won't have to go through this ever again. And then she says, you guys don't understand

01:27:09.700 how rare this is to have proof and to take the perfect steps to bring that truth to light. Lively

01:27:14.820 replied, like, my God. Then I love you so much, she writes to Taylor. I would not be okay through any of

01:27:23.480 this if it weren't for you. And Lively, let's see.

01:27:27.940 By the way, Megan, can I just say one thing? The idea of celebrating filing a complaint with the

01:27:34.940 California Department is, you can be the, we have a code section called 5150, where you're a danger

01:27:42.560 to yourself or others. I've seen so many of these complaints. You can, anybody can file one that it's

01:27:48.900 meaningless. Of course, but it was, we all know this and the New York Times article. And apparently Blake

01:27:56.020 is on record in the case as having denied that she ever discussed the New York Times article with

01:28:02.580 Taylor Swift. But this certainly could be a reference to that. You know, I mean, you did it,

01:28:07.880 you call this attention to it. She's thrilled. And what are the odds that Taylor Swift only knew about

01:28:13.200 the civil rights complaint and completely missed the New York Times article, breaking it, breaking the

01:28:19.760 news of it? She's monitoring the California Civil Rights Administrative Act. Right. But not New York

01:28:29.060 Times. I miss that totally. Exactly. So it seems clear. That's, I think, that the reason it's

01:28:34.960 relevant is it appears that Blake may have misled in saying she never discussed any of that with

01:28:40.080 Taylor Swift. Then there's some earlier texts during the course of the movie where Lively asked

01:28:45.440 Taylor Swift for help. She referred to Baldoni as the doofus director of my movie. She described him

01:28:51.060 as a clown who, quote, thinks he's a writer now. She asked Swift to endorse the revised script she was 0.89

01:28:57.360 proposing. Even though she hadn't read it, she texted to Taylor Swift, you don't have to read,

01:29:04.340 of course. Then Brian alleges Swift agreed to do Lively's bidding, texting Lively, I'll do anything

01:29:11.280 for you. Lively's side disputed that she asked Swift to endorse the script without reading it, only that

01:29:16.220 she, quote, hoped she would. I mean, here's the actual text. It reads, let's see.

01:29:22.320 Okay. I can't find it, but that's an accurate representation of it. Okay. Now there's more.

01:29:30.720 This is, this is Taylor. Oh, sorry. This is Blake texting to Taylor. And the date is May 19th,

01:29:43.280 2024. She's talking about some showing in the film. She writes, by the way, I have so much to tell you.

01:29:47.780 The author, Colleen, she authored the book that the movie was based on, reached out to me

01:29:51.040 because Justin is on an internal smear campaign trying to get his edit through. She was horrified

01:29:56.540 and reached out on her own to talk to me. Turns out he effing lied. She's not Baha'i, 1.00

01:30:02.300 which is his religion. Never has been. She's not friends with him at all. She actually hates him.

01:30:06.740 She was his safety net all along. Meanwhile, he shut her out and wouldn't include her in anything

01:30:10.640 and told her she had no voice or value, yet paraded her around in front of the cameras for goodwill and

01:30:14.760 told us all his decision that he got pushback on were all her ideas. It's wild, she writes.

01:30:21.640 She flew to New York where I screened my cut for the first time yesterday. It killed in the room.

01:30:26.080 Then she says to Taylor, Bradley, I think meaning Cooper, came. He watched it twice. He's been an

01:30:30.940 absolute effing hero. He has made me feel so good about the cut. Matt and Lucy Damon saw it to give

01:30:36.740 notes and instead just wrote Tom Rothman to try to push my edit through without a bake-off with Justin,

01:30:42.700 which is also what Colleen is pushing for. It's wild and crazy times. Taylor responds,

01:30:47.880 no one should ever get into a war of wills with you. And I'm so excited to see it. Then they talk

01:30:55.440 about how Taylor texted that Justin was a dope to allow her song to be used in the trailer for the film 0.67

01:31:07.560 because she's team Blake and the two little mean girls have a giggle about how dopey Justin was to 0.93

01:31:14.240 accept Blake Lively's suggestion that Taylor, like they're just nasty. By the way, I don't disagree

01:31:20.600 with that. He wasn't dope for allowing that because he's, it was a improvised explosive device in his

01:31:27.460 own project. Megan, I don't, I don't know about these texts. I don't, I don't know that I see them

01:31:32.340 the same way you do. Okay. I do welcome that, you know, yeah, she's trying to grab people to be on

01:31:39.000 her team and she's got a meritless argument about things being real tough on set, but she's just

01:31:44.300 looking to create. Yeah, I get all that, but equally possible is that she is going through some real,

01:31:51.180 real challenges and like anybody who goes through challenges. And I think, you know, maybe when you went

01:31:55.560 through challenges at Fox News or whenever we go through challenges, you definitely want to empower

01:32:00.540 your friends to help you to lean on for support. That's, that's what it looks like to me. She's

01:32:05.640 doing. And she's reaching out not only to Taylor Swift to help her, but also to, as the reference

01:32:11.340 made clear, Matt Damon. They, there's a May 2024 text, which I'm just filling out the record, sir,

01:32:19.020 between Lively, her husband, Ryder Reynolds and the Damons. Reynolds asking the Damons,

01:32:24.640 Matt and his wife, Lucy, to watch the film. Lively, then begging them to do so, saying the

01:32:28.180 movie quote, nearly killed me. Matt Damon replies, oh, and she's, then she says, Justin's in a cult.

01:32:34.060 Matt Damon replies, we'll give you any help we can. And if this experience hasn't totally destroyed

01:32:37.820 your soul, Blake, you should come direct your next movie at Artist's Equity. We're kind of a cult,

01:32:42.580 but a really nice one. Lucy Damon said, it was insane. The power of this guy has with no experience

01:32:48.700 to back him. After being told that Baldoni claimed during filming to have been able to speak to

01:32:53.460 Lively's dead father. Lucy Damon replied, what in the actual F? I'm fascinated by this creep. I think

01:32:59.420 you should do a movie about this guy. Lively replied, I already have the name of my doc,

01:33:03.500 Lights Cult Action. Reynolds chimed in saying he'd never seen anything like it, that Baldoni is a

01:33:08.840 sociopathic faux-manist because Baldoni's got some like feminist blog and podcast. And then we had the 1.00

01:33:17.980 infamous, my dragons are Taylor Swift and Reynolds and they fight for me and, you know, they'll fight

01:33:23.040 for you too, but really they're mine. Part of it is that she's poisoning the well on the set about him,

01:33:31.280 Mark Eragos. She's making sure on the set and off the set, everyone hates this guy and she wants to 0.96

01:33:37.440 make sure he will never work again. And her whole complaint in this lawsuit is that he was super mean

01:33:42.420 by using PR people to protect him. But meanwhile, you see her, her smear campaign against him in 0.92

01:33:48.980 writing black and white to some of the biggest players in Hollywood. So this is a perfect example

01:33:53.780 of the marks. Reasonable minds can differ because I can't, I can't, and I make a living out of trying

01:34:00.640 to see the way the other side. I don't see the other side here. I see these texts. It's obvious,

01:34:06.700 at least to me as to what's happening here. She's, she's marshalling her friends and others to try to

01:34:15.320 lean on him and to take him out. I mean, I, you know, by the way, we're in a civil lawsuit and in

01:34:21.940 a civil lawsuit, the standard is basically just a little bit more on one side or the other. I think

01:34:28.200 you have a really, really uphill battle if you're lively, lively trying to characterize this in any way

01:34:34.020 I don't disagree with the other Mark. There's no question. She's looking to take him out. There's

01:34:39.380 no question. She's not asking people to look at him favorably. The only question is whether she's

01:34:44.860 doing that because she genuinely is going through a horrific experience on the set, like she alleges.

01:34:50.240 And I don't know whether that's true or not, just throwing out the idea and support from others

01:34:58.300 because it really is that horrific. Those text messages, I think could be used in the case to

01:35:03.600 support her claim. The rest are fodder for the court of public opinion. Well, the interesting part

01:35:09.200 about that, though, is if she was in some kind of psychological distress and, you know, that's above

01:35:14.840 my pay grade, but it certainly doesn't come through in this. It come, it reeks of connivance, not of

01:35:21.560 distress to me. It does reek of connivance. Good word. Yes. And the, and part of what's relevant

01:35:27.840 here is he says, I had to hire a PR team to protect me because she and her husband were way bigger stars 1.00

01:35:38.980 than I was. And I was well aware she was trying to ruin me that that's why, because this had been

01:35:45.400 bubbling behind the scenes before the movie ever hit the public eye. And she made a point of keeping him

01:35:52.900 literally in a basement the night of the premiere and of unfollowing him on social and having all

01:35:58.140 the cast unfollow him on social because these cast members are going to do whatever the hell she says. 0.98

01:36:02.660 And so his whole point is I was placed in a position where anything I did was defensive. It was not

01:36:08.680 offensive to ruin her. I was watching my career get destroyed inch by inch. Go ahead, Mark.

01:36:14.860 Yes. No, that's where these text messages are key. On, on her claim that he went to ruin her,

01:36:22.000 he went on an evisceration campaign. Wait a second. You're clearly doing it on your text.

01:36:27.260 There's no question. That's what she's doing. The biggest names in Hollywood are now looking

01:36:31.200 negatively at him because of her. And then secondly, you got this little thing called the

01:36:37.080 first amendment, freedom of speech. He can't then defend himself in the public. I think there's zero

01:36:42.180 merit to that claim that she's making. Yeah. I agree with you, Mark. That's, that's the problem with

01:36:47.580 this. When you take a look at them in context and have to tell a story. And as you know,

01:36:53.660 better than anybody, you know, that's what a trial is. The story that she wants to tell,

01:36:58.880 just, I don't, I don't even know what it is. It just doesn't hang right to me.

01:37:02.800 Because then you get to, because you've made a good point,

01:37:05.540 like it's, it starts off with, I was subjected to a hostile work environment as an actress on this 1.00

01:37:12.700 set that Justin Baldoni and his partner are complete assholes. They behaved inappropriately, 1.00

01:37:17.640 like at every turn to the point where I had to get them in the mid middle of shooting to agree to

01:37:22.880 like a 12 point plan to where they would stop the onset harassment. And then this is her story.

01:37:28.120 Sure. That's right. This is good. Well, this is her story. I'm giving you her story. And then she

01:37:33.240 says in, in retaliation, because they, they knew that they'd behaved badly. Um, they hired this PR,

01:37:40.120 you know, group to try to ruin me. And so all the negative press I started getting about how terrible

01:37:45.580 I was, was generated by them. It was retaliatory for my raising sexual harassment complaints.

01:37:51.360 That's her story. His story is all the stuff you complained about was either made up or totally

01:37:57.480 mild and an absolute nothing burger. Like you said, I walked in on you while you were breastfeeding 1.00

01:38:03.540 your baby in the trailer. And then he produced a text message of her saying, come on over to my

01:38:09.080 trailer. I'm breastfeeding my baby, but you're welcome. Right. He's like, okay. So you, you made

01:38:15.000 up some shit, you left out some stuff and you weren't actually offended by the stuff that you're 0.99

01:38:19.580 complaining about. And so I, the minor player hired a PR firm to defend me. The bad publicity you 0.99

01:38:27.260 are complaining about, however, generated was generated by you by picking on some no-name

01:38:33.880 reporter who saw your baby bump, which was considerable in an interview and said like,

01:38:38.840 love your baby bump. Like how far along are you? And you looked at her like a nasty witch. 1.00

01:38:44.400 And you were like, how far along are you? I mean, she snapped back at this non-pregnant reporter who was 0.98

01:38:49.920 in her, in Blake's world, a nothing, a nobody, which as you guys well know,

01:38:55.000 America does not respond well to. Like the, the beautiful, rich, powerful starlet, 1.00

01:39:02.580 like dumping on this nobody reporter who asked a very normal question anybody would ask.

01:39:09.600 That's not good. The promotion of her flower brand and her, her hair brand while she's talking

01:39:15.880 about women getting the hell beat out of them in this movie was off. People didn't like it. And there

01:39:21.700 was a lot of negative press. So that's his story. Like you have yourself to blame. Anyway, so, so all

01:39:27.360 these texts kind of shed some light on this. Now, what I said, we're going to have to carry this over

01:39:32.160 because we're not done. But what I said about, is there somebody else from the cast who's going to

01:39:38.180 say that Justin was terrible, that he was a harasser, that he was a weirdo, a creep. Now we're talking, 0.89

01:39:44.600 right? Like if, if Blake Lively has that, that's very good for her side. This isn't about what

01:39:51.020 happened. It's about what she can prove. That's really what trials are about. I really think this

01:39:56.260 case is going to come down to, it's kind of a chicken or egg argument. Is, is she basically

01:40:04.460 lively saying all of this was done because he harassed me or is it as Baldoni says, she decided

01:40:16.320 she wanted to rest control of the film and she used the pretext, the pretext of me too. Cause remember

01:40:24.960 when this happened in the continuum and she's using all of that as nothing more than a pretext.

01:40:32.120 Well said, well said. That's it. That's what it comes down to. I agree. That's it.

01:40:37.580 And that's why showing that like this complaint was empty. This was a nothing burger. This whole

01:40:43.020 thing with the 12 point plan was just a setup to get me. Cause she wanted control of the movie. 1.00

01:40:48.580 She wanted the final cut. She, she, there was, there's a clip of her on camera saying like, I,

01:40:53.160 I always want to be the secret director or writer and I just kind of lay my evil plans and I don't

01:40:58.080 say them out loud, but then that's what I do when I take over the movie. And that's what she did to 0.98

01:41:02.840 his movie, but she wasn't the director. She didn't, she wasn't an editor. She didn't have final cut. 0.55

01:41:08.280 And, um, he, he gave her some mild pushback, which she didn't like. So then she tried subterfuge

01:41:13.520 against him. This is part of what he's alleging. Um, so now we're learning a lot more about the other

01:41:19.220 women on the set who allegedly couldn't stand Justin and also thought he was a creepy pervert. 0.74

01:41:24.380 The woman is named Jenny slate. As far as we know, this is the only other one she's got.

01:41:30.880 I'm going to get, we'll have to continue this on the opposite side of this break, but Jenny slate

01:41:34.500 was also in the movie and in court documents per the daily mail, she described the shoot as quote,

01:41:41.320 really gross and disturbing. And she tells Blake lively about what she calls Baldoni's unprofessional

01:41:47.860 behavior and quote, the weird stuff he pulled during the first half of filming. And now we learn

01:41:54.380 exactly what it is she's referring to, which I will tell you about just in a couple of minutes.

01:42:00.680 We're going to take a quick break more with Mark and Mark right after this. Mark squared

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01:42:37.340 We are back with defense attorneys, Mark Eiglarsh and Mark Garagos, hosts of MK True Crime. That's a

01:42:47.420 podcast hits twice a week. Go and subscribe at mktruecrime.com or just type in MK True Crime

01:42:53.360 on your podcast app in the search bar, and that'll take you right to them. Okay. So back when Baldoni

01:43:00.420 first started to fight back, right? Blake dropped her complaint. She went to the New York Times

01:43:05.180 and her California Human Rights Department complaint turned into a legal complaint in

01:43:11.180 court. Then Brian Friedman, on behalf of Baldoni, starts fighting back and getting some of this

01:43:16.600 more exculpatory stuff out into the press. And then her side came out and amended their complaint,

01:43:22.620 alleging that, without naming them, there were two women, two actresses, who also raised concerns

01:43:29.280 with Lively and with the production company over Baldoni's, quote, unwelcome behavior during

01:43:34.840 filming. They say the experiences of Lively and others were documented at the time they occurred

01:43:41.340 starting in May of 2023. He knew that women other than Ms. Lively also were uncomfortable and had 0.72

01:43:46.260 complained about his behavior. And they write, more importantly, defendant's false narrative crumbles

01:43:53.040 under the indisputable truth that Ms. Lively was not alone in complaining about Mr. Baldoni and

01:43:57.720 raised her concerns contemporaneously as they arose in 2023. Okay. So I don't know who the other woman 0.99

01:44:04.460 is, but I know one of them now is Jenny Slate, who played Alyssa in this movie. I haven't seen the

01:44:11.700 movie. But Jenny Slate is in these text messages with Blake Lively. And I'm going to read you what

01:44:20.700 they say. She says that, hold on, it starts on this other article. She described the shoot

01:44:30.820 as really gross and disturbing. This is in a message sent to a confidant, I think, to Jenny's agent.

01:44:37.100 According to court records revealed by the Daily Mail, the 43-year-old actress was questioned about 0.93

01:44:41.380 those texts during her deposition in September. During the deposition, attorneys reviewed messages

01:44:46.060 that Jenny Slate, who played Alyssa, sent to her former agent in which she criticized Baldoni and

01:44:50.540 other producer, Jamie Heath, his partner. In one message, Slate wrote, it's like fascinating and

01:44:55.960 also so shitty. Justin and Jamie are truly unfit. She also referenced Lively repeatedly expressing 0.99

01:45:01.140 concern for her friend and colleague while filming under Baldoni's direction. I'm not scared or anything,

01:45:06.480 just repulsed and deeply irritated. And I know Blake is experiencing it on a much more serious level.

01:45:12.180 He is worse than most of the men, most of the bros I've encountered, she wrote about Baldoni,

01:45:20.840 adding that she viewed him as a false ally and rejected what she described as his male feminist

01:45:25.340 image. She called Heath truly unprofessional. Justin and Jamie freak me out, she added,

01:45:30.200 claiming they totally, they told really weird lies and that Baldoni was astoundingly wrongheaded.

01:45:35.640 Well, I'm very interested to know what the hell happened between Baldoni and Jenny Slate.

01:45:40.380 Daily Mail goes on to report what we think it is. Here it is. Alarming behavior. She texted with

01:45:48.040 Lively about it. Okay. It's Lively and Jenny texting back and forth. And this appears to be Lively

01:45:56.780 texting you, Jenny, were standing there for the thing he said to me when he said, I look hot.

01:46:04.700 I said, that's not what I'm going for. And he said, okay, sexy. Then he made a joke, asked if he

01:46:12.360 crossed a line. And I said, yes, he must've missed the sexual harassment meeting. That's big incident

01:46:19.180 number one. He's a director in a sexy movie. I mean, in some context, that would be not okay.

01:46:27.360 And maybe it was inappropriate. Maybe it had nothing to do with the movie, but they are making

01:46:31.800 a movie where there's love scenes. She has to look sexy. It's not like, you know, you're at,

01:46:37.440 you know, you got to get the smelling salts over to Garagos. Cause he's not, he's not able to handle

01:46:41.440 this level of raciness. Handle this. My God, you look hot. Oh, I may never recover.

01:46:48.240 How dare he say that to her. Right. So now this to me is Blake Lively trying to get,

01:46:54.820 nobody knows who the hell Jenny Slate is, but it would be very good for Jenny Slate to be in good 0.73

01:47:00.000 with Blake and Ryan. So this is her reaching out to a lesser known being like, remember you were there

01:47:06.860 when he said the truly offensive thing to me. And by the way, it sounds like Blake Lively laughed it

01:47:11.980 off. Yeah. You must've missed the sexual harassment training, which is something a woman can do, 1.00

01:47:17.200 but obviously did not put him on notice that he had deeply offended her. Then the text turned to

01:47:22.560 another alleged, alleged exchange per the daily mail where Lively and Slate discuss their admiration

01:47:28.460 for Britney Spears before Baldoni reportedly made what Slate called a quote, disturbing comment.

01:47:36.980 So Jenny Slate is disturbed by what happened here. Okay. My God, what did he say? Walk us through it.

01:47:42.120 What did he say about poor Britney Spears and all her troubles? Okay. Here's Blake.

01:47:46.060 And then later when you said, I think this is Blake saying to Jenny, yeah, yeah, it's Blake. And then

01:47:54.020 later when you said you used to stare at Britney Spears' midsection for hours before you finished

01:48:01.520 and said what an athlete she was and how remarkable she seemed as a young girl, he jumped in and said,

01:48:07.220 same and giggled. But then I ruled when we just looked at him. You need the smelling salts again?

01:48:16.600 Right. Okay. Literally her name is Slate. You want to call her blank slate for a lot of reasons because

01:48:23.540 this is literally maybe the most unhinged kind of misinterpretation I've ever seen or heard. It's

01:48:33.140 really, I don't know how they do it with a straight face. It's possible. It's made up. Hold on. Let me

01:48:40.220 read you this, Eiglarge. And then the floor is yours. I always like to take the other side.

01:48:43.880 I know you do. Just to keep it balanced, folks. I like that. I like that. I'm making it hard for

01:48:49.300 you. But here's how Slate replied to that text from Lively about the deeply offensive Britney Spears' 0.76

01:48:54.380 same comment. And then a giggle. And then an eye roll. My God. Who? This barbarian. 0.96

01:49:00.360 That's a micro. That's a micro aggression. It's a giggle and an eye roll. So Slate replied,

01:49:05.940 yes, exactly. Those are two perfect examples. The first one, which was the alarming behavior about

01:49:15.000 you look hot. Right. The first one, she writes, is an example of a total overstep and unwanted comment.

01:49:23.660 The second, which is the giggle and same about admiring Britney Spears' midsection,

01:49:29.500 is such a great example of how now I just feel inclined to shut down

01:49:34.980 because I don't want to invite any other comments from him. It's just gross and stupid. 1.00

01:49:42.620 I shut down, Mark Eichlarsh, because of the Britney Spears' midsection admiration. 1.00

01:49:48.660 Come on, Eichlarsh.

01:49:49.100 All right. You guys ready for the other side? Listen.

01:49:52.020 Yes.

01:49:52.260 Yes.

01:49:52.500 Listen. Yes.

01:49:53.320 Okay. It's possible, and you would concede, it's possible that she really does find this

01:49:58.560 inappropriate, that it really does genuinely bother her. And then now you've got somebody else

01:50:03.660 corroborating that what he said really was said and that they also found it to be inappropriate,

01:50:09.540 and that's not going to bode well for him. Now, that said, hold on now. Don't you interrupt me.

01:50:16.200 Mark, can I ask you a question? 0.99

01:50:17.060 What I'm saying is that maybe a movie where you're having fake sexual relations with this guy you 0.92

01:50:26.880 disdain may not be the strongest choice for you. Maybe there's some Disney movies you should probably

01:50:31.640 be on the set with where no one's going to say you're hot, you know?

01:50:35.600 Yeah. The remake of Little House on the Prairie, perhaps.

01:50:39.460 Well, that's a different case.

01:50:42.080 Yeah, that's actually gone south too. Yeah, go ahead.

01:50:44.300 Yes. But my question for you, Mark Eichlarsh, as you're making this rather heroic defense of the

01:50:51.600 indefensible, is if you're saying that the two people met and they both agree and they're getting

01:50:58.580 some kind of sustenance emotionally from their Venn diagram overlap, basically your argument is

01:51:05.860 unhinged and unhinged equals hinged, because there is no way that in a rational society with

01:51:14.640 rational discourse that that is overstepping the line. You have really kind of, I think,

01:51:20.460 elevated kind of psychosis to be normal.

01:51:23.560 I disagree. And I think Megan would back me up on this. In certain contexts, someone saying you're

01:51:28.140 sexy when you don't want him to say that, or making comments like that, can be very offensive.

01:51:33.140 When it's your boss. Okay, it's weird when you're just, this literally happened to me.

01:51:36.220 Keep going. Have my back on this, Megan. Come on. 0.98

01:51:38.280 Megan, how many times is that?

01:51:39.580 Hold on, Garagos. She's going to help me. Here we go. Oh, here we go, Megan. Let's go.

01:51:44.180 Yes. Let's go.

01:51:45.200 It's already been made public, what happened at Fox News. But Roger Ailes literally did say,

01:51:49.680 I bet you look super sexy in your bra. I was like, okay, that's definitely not an appropriate

01:51:55.700 comment. How did that make you feel? How did that make you feel?

01:51:58.080 Look hot. Awkward AF, as they say. But yeah, no, when it comes from your boss,

01:52:04.380 who's clearly got power over you, he's the most powerful man in the industry,

01:52:07.220 and you're a nobody in the industry, that's all problem.

01:52:09.300 Director. Oh, please. The power.

01:52:13.420 He's the one telling you what to do. The director on the set is not like the boss on the set.

01:52:18.860 Well, you know, I think I have to think about it.

01:52:20.520 She was the producer. And a far bigger star, Garagos. You're a Hollywood man. Explain to

01:52:25.120 Eich Larch how it works.

01:52:26.780 Let me just explain something to you. Because, you know, back when Harvey first started

01:52:32.520 having all of his troubles, Weinstein, Ben Brofman, who's a good friend of mine, once said,

01:52:38.560 you know, for decades in Hollywood, there's been this casting couch, and there is a whole

01:52:44.360 kind of culture, if you will. And it's horrible, but it was condoned. And I understand that,

01:52:51.260 and nobody's defending any of that. But set that aside for a second. If we've reached the point

01:52:56.980 in society where you look hot, has caused you this kind of emotional distress, all I can think of is

01:53:05.380 my grandmother, who fled the genocide, was in a Turkish orphanage, somehow escaped America and

01:53:13.360 had my dad when she was 14. I can't imagine if I told her that if she was here today, that's my

01:53:19.440 dad's birthday, even though he's passed away. She would look at me like I had lost my mind.

01:53:24.900 I would agree with you if that was the only allegation. But you take that coupled with

01:53:29.380 everything else. And I'm not saying it can be proven or it's legitimate. I'm just saying

01:53:32.680 there's more to it. And you now have someone backing her up.

01:53:35.740 There it is. He looked at me. He looked at Britney Spears' midsection, which along with

01:53:40.660 35 million other people. But don't forget, don't forget the eye roll, the giggle in the eye roll,

01:53:46.680 Garagos. Don't straw man it. There was a giggle followed by the eye roll. Okay, here is what an 1.00

01:53:54.560 eggshell plaintiff Blake Lively is. I mean, like just the tap on the head and she's got some sort of a

01:54:01.100 skull fracture. This full message about the dragons has now come out. I don't know that I'd seen the

01:54:06.760 entire thing, but it is the most pathetic little display. I'm going to read you part of it. This is 0.87

01:54:11.800 from her to Justin. As for blank and Ryan and blank for that matter, I think Taylor is one of the

01:54:17.740 people she's referencing here. I'm the luckiest mother blank. I think it's ever on the planet to

01:54:23.180 have them as my dance moms level stage moms. They are embarrassingly effusive. That said, they're also 1.00

01:54:29.140 my most trusted partners and the people I go to first with anything creative I touch. And I'm the

01:54:32.980 person they each go to first. That reciprocal creativity and support has been one of my life's

01:54:37.200 greatest gifts and most fulfilling gifts. When they loved and signed off on the pages that she wrote,

01:54:42.440 she's saying, I felt good to send them to you. They asked what you thought specifically after.

01:54:47.480 They checked in so many times. I told them that you laughed a bunch and said, it's probably a blend,

01:54:54.880 but you appreciate my passion so much, which of course didn't feel great for me or them to have

01:55:05.040 my passion be praised instead of any specific contribution or even just that you didn't like

01:55:11.860 the pages, which was fine also. So this is yet another egregious over egregious barbaric behavior

01:55:18.680 by him. Garrett goes, he, she sent him her rewrites. I can hardly wait for Eiglarsh, Eiglarsh to the

01:55:23.900 rescue. Please. This is, this is not, you look sexy. This is different. Go on. Dance moms didn't like

01:55:30.920 it and neither did Blake. What, what's with the passion? And she goes on. I'm going to give you a

01:55:36.100 little more. So I think they wanted you and me to see how they felt about the work because they've been

01:55:42.360 by my side for far too many experiences where I've been overlooked. I spoke to you about this

01:55:48.640 when we first met, they've watched me hand write scripts because the director is too afraid to send

01:55:55.060 the file yet he scans and he has someone hand type all 120 pages of my pencil rewrites. They've watched

01:56:01.580 me be hired as a writer and paid a significant fee for it. But on the condition that I never asked for

01:56:06.460 credit, which I could give a shit about. I don't care. It's more the principle of the dynamic of play. 0.98

01:56:11.800 They've watched the other side of it too, where I am told at signing that I am wanted as a true

01:56:16.840 collaborator. But once we get to work, I'm really just wanted as a yes man audience and actor. Here

01:56:22.380 we go. Big finish. Both Ryan and something blacked out have established themselves as absolute titans 0.97

01:56:30.380 and writers and storytellers outside of their primary gig, just singing or just acting. Obviously the

01:56:35.900 blacked out name is Taylor, um, or just directing. I'm so lucky to have them as creative barometers.

01:56:41.800 But also to have them as the people who prop me up and make sure I am seen for all I can

01:56:46.780 and all I do offer. Okay. Because they know firsthand all that I contribute. They also know

01:56:53.380 I'm not always as good at making sure that I am seen and utilized for fear of threatening egos or

01:56:59.560 fear of affecting the ease of the process. They don't give a shit about that. And because of that, 0.98

01:57:05.040 everyone listens to them with immense respect and enthusiasm. So I guess I have to stop worrying

01:57:11.900 about people liking me. And then there is the, if you ever get around to watching Game of Thrones,

01:57:19.860 I know. There's more. No, I have a strong feeling about this. Go on. You do? You'll appreciate that.

01:57:27.220 I'm Khaleesi. And like her, I happen to have a few dragons for better or for worse, but usually

01:57:33.380 for better because my dragons also protect those I fight for. So really we all benefit from those

01:57:39.660 gorgeous monsters of mine. You will too. Now there's an English accent here or something. What is it?

01:57:45.700 Yeah. That's everything. This is an absurd person. Absurd person. Go ahead. I have strong feelings.

01:57:52.160 Very strong feelings. It's not going to be what you think. These are very damaging for Lively because

01:57:57.220 if I'm cross-examining her, now you have motive. This isn't about you look sexy, you're uncomfortable

01:58:02.880 on the set. This is I'm pissed off because of other reasons. And now you can easily point to a motive.

01:58:12.100 She's upset about so many other things that she's then picking the lane, the harassment. Again, 0.99

01:58:18.320 this is the argument. I don't know if that's what she's doing, but harassment and his words are so

01:58:22.240 terrible, but it really is about so many other issues, not getting the credit, not getting the

01:58:28.140 ego tapped, all that other stuff. I think it's going to be easy to cross-examine her.

01:58:32.420 Mm-hmm. I think it's going to be super fun. Yeah, exactly. I was going to say, all you got

01:58:38.580 to do is ask a question because this is damaged goods. Well, remember in the complaint, hold on,

01:58:44.240 I want to pull this up because we pulled the seam. We've talked about this, but she has a tendency

01:58:48.700 to overstate things. Okay. From her complaint, she wrote, at one point, Justin leaned forward and

01:58:54.400 slowly dragged his lips from her ear and down her neck. As he said, it smells so good. None of this

01:59:02.240 was remotely in character or based on any dialogue in the script and nothing needed to be said because

01:59:07.360 again, there was no sound. Mr. Baldoni was caressing Ms. Lively with his mouth in a way that had nothing

01:59:13.500 to do with their roles. We have this, right? Do we have this, Robert? We have this video.

01:59:18.800 Weren't the cameras rolling when he was doing this? Yes, the cameras were rolling. Actors

01:59:23.640 improvised. They're encouraged to do so. Here it is. Oh, giggle, eye roll. Quiet, watch.

01:59:32.160 That's harassment you're watching right there. It would be if it wasn't a movie. 0.99

01:59:38.220 Right. I'm probably getting worse than this, too. I mean, you know. Well, it's not bad. It's my body

01:59:45.900 makeup. Garagos wouldn't greet his paralegals that way. He wouldn't do that. Hey, welcome to

01:59:52.140 the firm. Come here. I'm probably, I'm going to start doing that at MK True Crime. Right. Thank

01:59:58.660 you, Megan. She says, I'm probably getting my spray tan on you. He says, it smells good. I mean,

02:00:05.060 like the complaint, right? He slowly dragged his lips from her ear down to her neck as he said,

02:00:11.120 it smells so good. She is a damn liar, Garagos. It's I just don't understand how how this is even 1.00

02:00:20.940 a you know, I often will use the term the majesty of federal court. How is this a federal court case?

02:00:29.360 I'll tell you. I'll tell you how she could have a better case if what she alleges with the tongue 1.00

02:00:35.400 going down the neck happened when he went into her trailer as she's breastfeeding her baby.

02:00:40.480 Totally agree. That would be strong. Right? I'm with you. Yes. I'm with you. Now we're all ears.

02:00:45.140 We found common ground. Yes. Yes. We look forward to that change of her testimony on the stand. So

02:00:52.440 I think the judge is probably going to deny the motion for summary judgment by Baldoni based on how

02:00:58.620 he sounded in court yesterday. Even though I accept your representation, Garagos, that he sounds

02:01:04.020 like he wants nothing more to do with this case. So I think and most of these motions for summary

02:01:08.360 judgment get denied unless it's just like a clear cut agreement on the facts and there isn't here.

02:01:12.720 So I think it will proceed. And I don't know whether it actually gets tried. Actually,

02:01:17.000 Garagos, let me ask you that since you actually are a little closer to the defense counsel and their

02:01:21.580 day to day handling of this. It sounds to me like neither side is in any mindset to try to settle

02:01:28.420 without a trial. Right. I don't think it's going to settle. I really don't. I think if the judge

02:01:33.580 does not stick a fork in this, this goes to trial. And can you imagine I was told about the scene at

02:01:40.420 the courthouse yesterday? I can't even imagine to talk about this. Maybe the though the case that

02:01:46.040 finally breaks the log jam against televised trials in federal court. This needs to settle.

02:01:53.600 It needs to be done. They're both getting bloodied before we even pick a jury. This is horrible for

02:01:59.580 both of them. Both of their careers have stalled. And, you know, there's lots of text messages by

02:02:05.300 her saying his is going to stall it like it's stalling baby. Like you watch, but hers has stalled

02:02:11.520 too. And this really has become a Johnny Depp, Amber Heard situation where he's got just as many,

02:02:17.960 if not more supporters, I think more supporters than she does. She's been made to look very foolish 0.99

02:02:23.360 by her own texts that which, which, you know, her allegations, which don't match up with the 0.95

02:02:28.160 videotape, Gary goes. And she's drawn in Taylor Swift in this too. I mean, Taylor Swift is basically

02:02:35.200 immune from any kind of downside, I suppose, just because of her stature. But this certainly does 0.84

02:02:41.420 not reflect well on her. And how about her calling him a bitch? Taylor, Taylor Swift called him a bitch. 1.00

02:02:47.280 Yeah. Called Baldoni a bitch. I mean, of course, Taylor was only getting one side of the story, 1.00

02:02:52.220 but Taylor and Blake have reportedly broken up their friendship as a result of like all of this.

02:02:57.580 She got to see Blake's texts behind the scenes and she didn't much appreciate, I'm sure, being called

02:03:01.600 one of Blake's dragons. It's like, you're my dragon, bitch. The power imbalance there is not with Taylor 1.00

02:03:09.680 as the subservient. Anyway, it's not going well. I think Blake would like to have that back. And I'll tell

02:03:16.060 you what I think happened here. I think she took such crap in the press for being tone deaf on 1.00

02:03:23.600 promoting a movie about domestic violence with her hair care product and their liquor that they pushed 0.99

02:03:28.020 and all of her weird stuff with the flowers and the floral stuff. And she would, she bullied that 1.00

02:03:32.200 reporter and she's bullied a couple of others too. It was not a one-time gig that she sensed an

02:03:37.640 opportunity, much like Melissa Gilbert, to try to make herself look like they're super caring, 0.73

02:03:45.140 empathetic one who understood Me Too claims, you know, and understood women, even though she'd been

02:03:50.920 totally tone deaf to them in promoting the DV film. And so she was like, not only do I understand 0.88

02:03:57.560 the Me Too world, I am of the Me Too world. And she carried this on at the Time 100 where I saw her

02:04:03.060 last year. She was one and I was one. Hence my comment that not everybody there was a Time 100

02:04:07.860 most powerful person, nor was I one of the people. Let's be honest. It's all made up. It's

02:04:12.980 fucking advertising, whatever. Okay. I digress. So at the Time 100, did she get up there and talk 1.00

02:04:19.180 about something like truly powerful, like about her, her film company, all of her business? No.

02:04:23.960 She talked about her mother's alleged Me Too story. It was Me Too, like stolen, stolen honor by Blake

02:04:30.760 Lively. She's dying, stolen valor. She's trying desperately to be accepted as like a champion

02:04:36.000 of women because that's the exact lane in which she took the hit. So this whole thing has gotten like

02:04:42.380 used against poor Justin Baldoni for saying things like, you look hot. It's just so wrong.

02:04:49.060 And I think ultimately a jury is going to see it Baldoni's way. Does anybody disagree with that

02:04:54.540 this is likely to go his way? Not here, but- Probably not. But it doesn't mean he's poor

02:05:00.120 Baldoni and didn't have dirt on his hands and didn't do certain things that were disturbing.

02:05:04.860 I just don't know that she can prove it and or it rises to the level of her burden. I don't

02:05:10.520 know that she's going to meet him. Yeah. And then look, the other thing is, Gary, because

02:05:13.600 you watched the Heard depth trial. I mean, the, there is no, like Amber Heard's career

02:05:19.860 is over. Yeah. It's, it's over now. Like, does Blake Lively really think she's going to

02:05:26.480 come out the other side of a Brian Friedman cross-examination at trial better off than she

02:05:33.700 is right now? No. No, there's no way. I'm, I'm here. I've been there. I've seen it. And it's,

02:05:39.680 it's like a kamikaze mission for her. I don't understand what she- I think we all agree on that. 0.74

02:05:45.360 She should get out of this. Yeah. Yeah. She, she, she, whatever she thinks about her legal claims, 0.98

02:05:49.540 yeah, she should get out of this because it's, it doesn't get better for her at trial

02:05:52.880 at all. Even if she wins, even if she wins, that cross-examination is going to be the end of her. 0.86

02:05:59.380 By the way, if it's not televised so that people get it unfiltered, there's no way to win. I mean,

02:06:06.620 one of the things that was brilliant in some ways about Depp Heard was at least it was televised so

02:06:13.020 you could see, and you had that kind of unspoken or unarticulated ability to sway public opinion.

02:06:22.140 You can't do that when it's, they'll, they'll take the worst of the worst things that she says.

02:06:26.460 And then everybody gets a bastardized version of what they think took place. You're not going to

02:06:31.720 get justice here. She needs to take her losses and run. You know, I will do the dramatic reenactment 1.00

02:06:38.380 every day at the end of- Yes. You definitely bring it with, oh, the weirdest accent ever. I don't know.

02:06:45.840 What was that? I might do it in the, in the voice of Patti LuPone with her hard consonants.

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02:06:55.060 Same here. Thanks, Megan. Take care, Mark. Be well.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - January 23, 2026

DOJ Promises MORE Arrests Over Church Stunt, with Harmeet Dhillon, and Bombshell New Blake Lively Texts, with Geragos and Eiglarsh ｜ Ep. 1237

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