The Megyn Kelly Show - DOJ Targets Religious Americans, and NYC Paying BLM Protesters, with Sen. Josh Hawley, Karol Markowicz, and Bethany Mandel ｜ Ep. 504

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.680 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:46.140 The U.S. Senate voting unanimously last night.

00:00:49.860 How often do you hear that?

00:00:52.020 To declassify information on the origins of COVID-19.

00:00:56.920 Praise Jesus.

00:00:58.720 Is it so hard?

00:01:00.640 They've been trying to get this through.

00:01:02.220 Josh Hawley, U.S. Senator, has been trying to get this through for a while now.

00:01:06.100 It finally happened unanimously.

00:01:09.080 They did it once before, believe it or not, in the U.S. Senate.

00:01:11.760 And the Democrat-controlled House at the time wouldn't do anything about it.

00:01:14.440 Well, now it's a Republican-controlled House.

00:01:16.740 So will they?

00:01:18.040 Will Joe Biden approve this?

00:01:20.220 Isn't it about time?

00:01:21.980 That plus Attorney General Merrick Garland takes the hot seat, answering questions on

00:01:26.060 a number of topics, including about what Republicans view as the weaponization of the Justice Department

00:01:32.380 under his control.

00:01:34.140 My first guest is the man I just mentioned.

00:01:36.360 He's at the center of both of those stories.

00:01:38.220 Joining me now, Missouri Senator Josh Hawley, U.S. Senator from the great state of Missouri.

00:01:43.640 Great to see you, sir.

00:01:44.280 Thanks for coming on.

00:01:44.920 Thank you for having me, Megan.

00:01:47.700 Let's start in reverse order, because what happened with Merrick Garland yesterday before

00:01:51.580 the U.S. Senate was really extraordinary on a number of topics.

00:01:55.680 You, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, as I saw leading the way, on really trying to hold him to account.

00:02:00.560 So for the viewers who didn't get to watch it, what was the main goal in having him there?

00:02:05.300 And what was the main thing you were interested in?

00:02:07.980 Well, the main thing I'm interested in was, how about the fact that we have people being

00:02:12.500 executed on the streets of our cities, Megan, gang style, and that includes in my home state

00:02:16.880 of Missouri in St. Louis, there's video that I bet many of your audience have seen from

00:02:21.020 earlier this week, where you have a homeless man who has a gun put to his head, to the back

00:02:25.980 of his head, and he is executed on live camera.

00:02:29.620 People buy, passers buy on the street, film it, and here's a criminal, broad daylight. 0.99

00:02:34.760 You know, it's like noon, broad daylight, the criminal puts the gun to his head, shoots him.

00:02:38.580 That's what's happening on the streets of St. Louis and Kansas City.

00:02:41.060 We had more cops assaulted this week. 1.00

00:02:43.000 What is the Justice Department doing about the crime wave all across our country, in

00:02:47.920 our schools, in our neighborhoods?

00:02:50.200 The answer is nothing.

00:02:51.380 What are their priorities instead?

00:02:53.340 Their priorities appear to be going after pro-life demonstrators, sending SWAT teams to

00:02:58.540 their homes, and oh yeah, sending informants, recruiting informants in our churches, Catholic 0.87

00:03:03.800 parishes and other churches across the country.

00:03:05.960 I asked Garland about all of this.

00:03:07.480 The bottom line is, this is a Justice Department that views criminals as people to be coddled,

00:03:13.220 that views churchgoers as people to be spied upon.

00:03:16.380 You talk about having your priorities backwards.

00:03:18.280 They've got them totally upside down.

00:03:21.540 A little later in the show, we're going to get to the fact that New York City has just

00:03:24.480 decided to pay out, with taxpayer funding, millions of dollars to BLM protesters who tore

00:03:30.960 apart our city a couple of years ago.

00:03:32.720 Now we're going to pay them.

00:03:33.700 They went out there trying to instigate trouble, trouble came their way, and now we, the law-abiding

00:03:40.300 citizens, are going to have to pay out to them. 0.92

00:03:43.020 I mean, that's absolute lunacy.

00:03:44.580 And you've got, at the same time, our mayor, Scott Adams, finally going up to Albany and

00:03:50.100 saying, sorry, Eric Adams, and saying, we need to fund the police.

00:03:56.180 We need to take crime seriously.

00:03:58.140 And when we don't, you know who suffers?

00:04:00.620 Poor people.

00:04:01.520 Poor people suffer.

00:04:02.640 Suffer.

00:04:03.000 And just saying the poor commit crimes and we shouldn't prosecute crimes hurts the poor.

00:04:08.100 A, it's a lie.

00:04:09.040 The poor don't commit crimes.

00:04:10.700 And B, it hurts the poor.

00:04:12.520 That is in the wake of Lori Lightfoot getting fired. 0.98

00:04:15.300 Lori Lightfoot, the mayor of Chicago.

00:04:16.340 So it's all connected, Senator, on the crime issue, right?

00:04:19.240 We reward the BLM protesters.

00:04:21.820 Finally, the New York City mayor, who's a former cop, is saying, we've been doing this

00:04:25.540 wrong.

00:04:26.160 I'm sure he's seen what happened to Lori Lightfoot.

00:04:28.800 And so the question is, will the Democrats listen?

00:04:31.400 Because the Republicans have been turned on to this for a while.

00:04:33.300 Will the Democrats listen?

00:04:35.740 I don't know that they will.

00:04:37.200 I will say that Merrick Garland tried to insist yesterday, Megan, that he's doing everything

00:04:41.300 he can to combat crime.

00:04:42.560 This is simply not true, though.

00:04:43.900 And to your point about the BLM protesters, look at what the Justice Department has done.

00:04:47.680 The Justice Department has gone into court and has filed motions asking for lenient sentences

00:04:53.740 or no sentences for rioters who torched buildings, who assaulted cops.

00:04:59.640 I mean, you talk about, again, misplaced priorities.

00:05:01.940 They're asking for those folks to get off easy or not to be charged at all, not to be sentenced

00:05:06.540 at all.

00:05:07.040 Meanwhile, they're out here knocking down the door, beating down the door of pro-life

00:05:11.760 demonstrators.

00:05:12.600 And I'm not making this up.

00:05:13.560 Yesterday, I asked Garland about the 25 to 30 SWAT agents, FBI SWAT agents, who were sent

00:05:20.320 to the home of this gentleman.

00:05:22.140 Let me interrupt you, Senator, so we can play it.

00:05:24.140 I'll show the audience the moment you're referring to, and then you can pick it up on the back

00:05:26.720 side.

00:05:27.540 Stop four. 0.70

00:05:28.220 Are you telling me that, in your opinion as Attorney General, it was objectively necessary

00:05:33.820 to use 20 or 30 SWAT-style agents with long guns and ballistic shields for these people?

00:05:40.100 What I'm saying is that decisions about how to go about this were made on the ground by

00:05:45.220 FBI agents.

00:05:45.860 So you're saying you don't know?

00:05:47.460 I'm saying what I just said.

00:05:50.220 Which is that you're abdicating responsibility?

00:05:52.200 I'm not abdicating responsibility.

00:05:53.300 Then give me the answer.

00:05:54.580 Philadelphia District Attorney declines to prosecute.

00:05:56.860 The private suit's dismissed.

00:05:58.540 You use an unbelievable show of force.

00:06:01.180 With guns that I just note liberals usually decry.

00:06:04.420 We're supposed to hate long guns and assault-style weapons.

00:06:06.760 You're happy to deploy them against Catholics and innocent children. 1.00

00:06:09.760 Happy to.

00:06:10.880 And then you haul them into court and a jury acquits them in one hour.

00:06:16.580 That was a pro-life protester that he threw the book at after the Philadelphia authorities

00:06:20.660 decided he didn't do anything.

00:06:21.900 Let's move on.

00:06:22.500 It was like some minor altercation outside of an abortion clinic.

00:06:26.760 This guy was a pro-life protester.

00:06:29.460 And his son had been harassed by a 72-year-old guy.

00:06:31.800 They got into a scuffle.

00:06:33.000 And again, the Philadelphia authorities were like, this is a nothing.

00:06:35.120 No one was hurt.

00:06:35.880 Move on.

00:06:36.680 And then Merrick Garland said, oh no, 30 SWAT officers or some sort of officers at that

00:06:41.320 guy's door.

00:06:42.620 And this is after Megan, the same protester, Mark Houck, after he said, listen, if you're

00:06:47.780 going to arrest me, which is outrageous, but if you're going to arrest me, I'll turn myself

00:06:50.940 in.

00:06:51.540 He offered to turn himself in.

00:06:53.080 And what did the Justice Department do?

00:06:54.480 They sent to his home in the early morning hours.

00:06:56.800 He has seven children.

00:06:57.600 In the early morning hours when the kids are not yet at school, they're still all in the

00:07:02.140 house, he sends 30 SWAT officers there with their guns, pounding on the doors, demanding

00:07:07.760 it to come out.

00:07:08.220 The mother has talked about this.

00:07:09.340 His wife, Mrs. Houck, has said the children were, of course, terrified.

00:07:12.660 And Megan, that's the point.

00:07:14.180 It was meant to be terrifying.

00:07:16.140 It was meant to strike fear into the hearts of pro-life demonstrators, of conservatives,

00:07:21.700 of Catholics, of Christians everywhere.

00:07:23.300 They're trying to send a message, which is don't cross the government.

00:07:27.500 Don't cross the Biden administration. 0.71

00:07:29.220 If you disagree with us, you keep your mouth shut.

00:07:32.200 Contrast that to what they're doing with the BLM and Antifa protesters. 0.81

00:07:36.180 It's just sickening, Megan, and it's got to stop.

00:07:38.200 And that's why there needs to be accountability.

00:07:40.000 It's so true. 0.84

00:07:41.000 I mean, what kind of a world is it in which the BLM protesters are collecting millions as 0.98

00:07:46.020 the one pro-life protester gets the book thrown at him with 30 federal officers, guns drawn,

00:07:52.740 entering his home with, as he put it, my seven babies are right here.

00:07:56.380 And the wife, too, saying I'm right.

00:07:57.820 They had guns drawn on me for a man who would have surrendered himself, who was found not

00:08:02.080 guilty in the end anyway.

00:08:03.160 So it's like you had the right guy in the hot seat.

00:08:05.800 You were asking all the right questions.

00:08:07.480 And you mentioned the Catholic thing.

00:08:09.200 Now, I am a Catholic and I objected to this whole thing.

00:08:12.860 And at first I was like, that can't be.

00:08:14.720 Come on, that's some that's nonsense, right?

00:08:17.520 It's not nonsense.

00:08:18.540 It actually was brought to the attention of the public by a whistleblower who was inside

00:08:25.080 the FBI who saw this memo, I think, out of Virginia that that actually called for the

00:08:30.340 targeting of Catholic churches, in particular, the ones where they say the Latin mass as like

00:08:35.860 the new radicalized mosque kind of place.

00:08:40.220 Like this is where we need to go to find homegrown extremists.

00:08:45.000 Of the white supremacist type.

00:08:47.760 So you got a chance to ask Merrick Garland about this yesterday.

00:08:51.500 Here's a little bit.

00:08:52.240 I have a couple of them.

00:08:53.200 Here's soundbite three.

00:08:55.280 How many informants do you have in Catholic churches across America?

00:08:58.820 I don't know.

00:08:59.460 And I don't believe we have any informants aimed at Catholic churches.

00:09:02.800 We have a rule against investigations based on First Amendment activity and Catholic churches 0.97

00:09:11.140 are obviously First Amendment.

00:09:13.360 Well, I don't know the specific answer.

00:09:15.760 You don't know the specifics of anything, it seems.

00:09:18.740 But apparently on your watch, this Justice Department is targeting Catholics, targeting

00:09:23.420 people of faith specifically for their faith views.

00:09:27.140 And Mr. Attorney General, I'll just say to you, it's a disgrace.

00:09:30.760 Well, Senator, he has a rule.

00:09:32.620 I mean, are you not satisfied?

00:09:33.920 He has a rule against doing that.

00:09:35.220 That's right.

00:09:35.800 That's right.

00:09:36.360 Just take him at his word.

00:09:37.780 Megan, here's the deal.

00:09:38.660 Here are the facts.

00:09:39.420 It's an FBI memo written on the 23rd of January of this year.

00:09:42.980 We're not talking about years ago or in some land far, far away.

00:09:45.720 We're talking about right here, 23rd of January, the FBI recommends recruiting informants in

00:09:53.800 Catholic parishes that they, the FBI, designate as traditionalists.

00:09:58.560 Now, whatever that means, I mean, they're making up the terms as they go along.

00:10:01.580 So whatever they consider to be a traditional Catholic parish, they say it is a recruiting

00:10:06.800 opportunity for observation, that means spying, and for informants.

00:10:11.280 This is the most unbelievable document to be written in the United States of America.

00:10:17.460 And the fact that Merrick Garland brushed it off and says he doesn't really know the

00:10:20.560 details.

00:10:20.940 Did you notice, though, when I asked him, how many informants do you have?

00:10:23.000 He said he didn't know.

00:10:23.900 He didn't say they didn't have any.

00:10:25.260 He just said he didn't know.

00:10:26.900 I mean, this, again, the priorities here, if you're a churchgoer, you're a religious believer,

00:10:31.500 then they think you're the problem.

00:10:33.620 But if you're a rioter and you want to go burn down some buildings, assault cops, hey, go 0.52

00:10:36.580 for it.

00:10:37.000 You know, that's social justice. 1.00

00:10:38.540 Oh, my gosh.

00:10:39.320 I mean, it does make you look around.

00:10:40.980 And I don't go to a church, or at least I don't go to the mass where they say the traditional

00:10:43.760 Latin mass.

00:10:44.640 But it does make you kind of look around the church a little differently.

00:10:47.720 Like, who could it be?

00:10:49.800 People are probably looking at me, wondering whether I could be the person, too.

00:10:53.160 It's just so sick.

00:10:54.560 It's like, you don't, I mean, if you've got to scrounge the pews of Catholic churches 0.75

00:10:59.540 to find extremists, then we're doing pretty well right now in this country.

00:11:03.640 We're doing pretty well in fighting these radical ideologies.

00:11:06.960 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:11:08.040 And again, to think of people of faith as the problem here with what we're facing.

00:11:13.100 People of faith are the solution.

00:11:15.200 You know, I would just venture to say that those who are going to, and I'm not Catholic

00:11:18.300 myself, but I am a Christian, and those who are going to mass or those who are going to

00:11:21.760 church and are doing so faithfully, they're probably the answer to a lot of the problems

00:11:25.620 we have.

00:11:26.020 Certainly good neighbors.

00:11:27.460 I mean, the folks who are the bedrock of our communities.

00:11:29.300 And to treat them as if they are terrorists or potential terrorists need to be spied

00:11:34.220 upon tells you everything you need to know about this administration's priorities.

00:11:39.280 It's no wonder that they want to erase our history.

00:11:41.800 They want to say this is a systemically racist nation and all the rest.

00:11:45.580 They want to turn everything upside down and go send SWAT teams to believers' homes.

00:11:50.160 I mean, it is truly insane.

00:11:51.920 But Megan, I really do believe that sunshine is a great disinfectant.

00:11:55.820 This is why these hearings are important.

00:11:57.600 You've got to bring this out to the light, because as you pointed out, we only know about

00:12:01.120 this memo because of a whistleblower.

00:12:03.300 If it weren't for him or her, we would never know.

00:12:05.220 You've got to bring this out into the public so people can see what these folks are actually

00:12:09.400 doing, so they can see what Merrick Garland is actually doing.

00:12:13.440 And when you see it, it's indefensible.

00:12:15.940 And just to correct myself, it was a former FBI agent turned whistleblower who published

00:12:20.660 the document on UncoverDC.com.

00:12:22.600 That's how he first found out.

00:12:23.500 So Merrick Garland told you that he did see this document that was leaked by the whistleblower,

00:12:28.500 and he called it appalling and said the FBI is looking into how this happened, targeting

00:12:34.460 Catholics as a potential threat. 1.00

00:12:36.320 Are you satisfied by that?

00:12:38.380 No, of course not.

00:12:39.200 That's classic bureaucratic brush off.

00:12:41.200 You know, oh, how did this happen?

00:12:43.400 I don't know.

00:12:44.100 As I told him, I know exactly how it happened, because the memo says that they used a far left

00:12:49.420 wing group, a left wing advocacy group that has targeted Christians of all kinds of backgrounds,

00:12:54.380 Catholics, evangelicals, and has said that they are hate groups, that they are terrorist 0.92

00:12:58.720 groups. 0.54

00:12:59.160 This far left wing liberal group is who the person who wrote this, the Southern Poverty

00:13:03.660 Law Center.

00:13:04.660 They're in the memo.

00:13:05.640 They're cited in the memo as an authority.

00:13:08.320 This is a leftist group.

00:13:09.780 I mean, think about this for a second.

00:13:10.840 The FBI, who's supposed to be keeping us safe, is out there busy writing memos, advocating

00:13:17.080 for spying on churches based on what some lefty advocacy group is saying.

00:13:21.420 I mean, this is where we are in Joe Biden's Justice Department and Joe Biden's FBI.

00:13:26.500 It is insane.

00:13:28.140 And we've got to make all this up.

00:13:28.680 As I understand it, it wasn't just Southern Poverty Law Center, which I have to say, that

00:13:32.200 is an agenda-driven group.

00:13:35.280 They used to be kind of, people used to cite them as, they'll tell you what's racist, what's

00:13:39.120 bigoted, what's sex, whatever, no longer.

00:13:41.240 This is a far left, unreliable group that has an agenda that's not truth and fairness.

00:13:47.060 But it wasn't just Southern Poverty Law Center.

00:13:48.740 It was also Salon.

00:13:50.660 They were relying on an article published by Salon.

00:13:54.020 You can't get any further left than Salon and The Atlantic.

00:13:58.420 And you know what this reminded me of, Senator, was the same justification for labeling parents

00:14:03.940 domestic terrorists at the school board meetings.

00:14:06.420 It was exactly this.

00:14:07.500 Remember, their documentation was newspaper articles from sites exactly like this.

00:14:14.240 Yes, yes, exactly.

00:14:15.480 And we now know, of course, about that infamous letter, Megan, that the White House essentially

00:14:19.480 wrote it to begin with.

00:14:20.980 Something else Merrick Garland has lied about, essentially, to Congress.

00:14:24.160 You know, he said that, oh, well, the school boards wrote to us, the school board association,

00:14:27.820 they asked us to take action.

00:14:29.460 Well, we now know that's not true.

00:14:30.820 The White House wrote the letter, went to the school board association, said, will you sign

00:14:35.580 off on it?

00:14:37.580 They did, foolishly, later retracted it.

00:14:38.560 And Merrick Garland used that as an excuse to activate the FBI counterterrorism division

00:14:44.020 against parents going to school board meetings.

00:14:46.320 So you're right.

00:14:47.080 It's a pattern here. 0.95

00:14:47.880 If you're a parent who wants to speak up at your kid's school, you're a terrorist. 0.95

00:14:50.920 If you want to go to mass, you're a terrorist. 0.98

00:14:52.980 If you are pro-life, you're a terrorist. 1.00

00:14:54.480 If you're a Christian, you're a terrorist. 1.00

00:14:56.440 I mean, it is crazy stuff. 0.99

00:14:58.320 And the common threat is, if you have your own viewpoint and disagree with this administration,

00:15:03.820 they will use law enforcement against you.

00:15:05.800 There is nothing more antithetical to the First Amendment than that.

00:15:09.220 And the thing, the protest thing is interesting.

00:15:11.280 Obviously, that's a protected activity under our Bill of Rights, to go out there and protest.

00:15:15.740 It's as American as apple pie when done respectfully and within the bounds of the law.

00:15:19.960 That's it, right?

00:15:20.680 You can't terrorize somebody.

00:15:22.480 You can't throw rocks at their home.

00:15:24.320 You can't get within certain feet of certain properties and so on.

00:15:27.080 Time, place, and manner can always be restricted.

00:15:30.240 But you don't reward protesters like the BLM protesters who are looking for fights with

00:15:35.700 cops by paying them out like we are in New York City.

00:15:38.440 And you don't only target the people who are protesting outside of the abortion clinic

00:15:43.580 and ignore those who are protesting outside of Brett Kavanaugh's house or Amy Coney Barrett's

00:15:49.940 House or any of the other Supreme Court justices who are trying to decide in good faith how

00:15:56.880 to adjudicate the challenge to Roe versus Wade, which is what happened last year.

00:16:01.720 Your colleague, Senator Ted Cruz, pressed Merrick Garland on his refusal to go after the protesters

00:16:09.420 outside of the justices' homes who were violating local law and federal law.

00:16:15.380 Federal law would be Merrick's jurisdiction.

00:16:17.140 And he didn't much seem to care.

00:16:19.520 Here's how some of that went.

00:16:21.820 Is it a federal crime to protest outside of a judge's home with the intent of influencing

00:16:26.780 that judge as to a pending case?

00:16:28.980 The answer to that is yes.

00:16:30.880 But in the wake of the leak of the Dobbs decision, when rioters descended at the homes of six

00:16:38.120 Supreme Court justices, night after night after night, you did nothing.

00:16:44.260 I did something no attorney general in the history of the department had ever done before.

00:16:48.760 For the first time in history, I ordered United States marshals 24-7 to defend every

00:16:56.880 residence of every justice.

00:16:59.340 Have you brought a single case against any of these protesters threatening the justices?

00:17:06.500 The job of the United States marshals is to defend the lives of the justices, and that's

00:17:13.580 their number one priority.

00:17:14.800 Why are you unwilling to say no?

00:17:16.460 The answer is no.

00:17:17.320 You know it's no.

00:17:18.040 I know it's no.

00:17:18.740 Everyone in this hearing room knows it's no.

00:17:20.660 How do you decide which statutes you enforce and which ones you don't?

00:17:24.460 But marshals on scene make that determination in light of the priority of the marshals do

00:17:30.340 not make a determination over whether to prosecute you, the attorney general, make a determination.

00:17:34.620 And you spent 20 years as a judge, and you're perfectly content with justices being afraid

00:17:39.840 for their children's lives, and you did nothing to prosecute.

00:17:45.660 Well done by Senator Cruz.

00:17:47.300 What are your thoughts on that exchange?

00:17:48.360 Well, again, this goes, I think, to show you that when it comes to left-wing protesters,

00:17:53.560 if he likes the protest, if Merrick Garland agrees with it, if he likes the justices being

00:17:57.100 harassed, then he's not going to lift a finger.

00:17:58.680 You could say the same thing, Megan, about the firebombings at pregnancy care centers.

00:18:03.060 How many of those has he prosecuted?

00:18:04.660 He said yesterday that, well, it was kind of hard to prosecute people who firebombed those

00:18:09.440 clinics because they did it at night.

00:18:11.280 Literally, that was his answer.

00:18:12.800 Well, they did it at night.

00:18:13.280 That was unbelievable.

00:18:14.280 That happened.

00:18:14.860 He said that.

00:18:15.440 That's incredible.

00:18:16.780 Yes, yes.

00:18:17.580 So on the other hand, to your point, if you are a right-winger perceived, well, then my

00:18:23.840 gosh, even when you didn't commit a crime, as in the instance of this gentleman, Mark

00:18:27.360 Howe, we'll send the SWAT team after you.

00:18:29.280 We'll haul you into court and we'll put you through all of that hell only to be acquitted 0.58

00:18:33.340 in the end.

00:18:34.040 So this just shows you it is an assault on the First Amendment.

00:18:37.500 It is a deliberate attempt by this administration, not in the last month, not in the last year,

00:18:41.500 but since they have taken office, to use the powers and instrumentalities of government

00:18:46.720 to try and shut down speech they don't like, whether it's on social media, whether it's

00:18:51.160 out in public, whether it is at a clinic or anywhere else.

00:18:55.000 And Megan, you know, because you're a former First Amendment lawyer, it is dangerous and

00:18:59.640 we've got to expose it.

00:19:00.600 Mm hmm.

00:19:01.700 The I don't know if I believe Merrick Garland either when he says the FBI's actions in Virginia

00:19:06.740 with respect to the Catholic churches was inadvertent and that he's going to crack down.

00:19:10.740 He does it.

00:19:11.060 He found it appalling because if you look back at that parents and school boards thing,

00:19:16.020 he was completely behind that.

00:19:18.120 And the only reason he backed off is because it became such a huge scandal.

00:19:22.260 And America basically made him stand down.

00:19:25.080 But he was perfectly willing to sick the FBI on parents in their private spaces for a political

00:19:31.320 agenda back then.

00:19:32.540 So why would we question whether he'd be willing to do it to families in their pews on Sunday

00:19:39.040 to further his same political agenda when you hear him there?

00:19:43.480 Clearly not a nonpartisan guy like it was such a dodge, Senator, you know, as well as I do

00:19:49.040 use practice law clerk for the Supreme Court.

00:19:51.080 You were the AG of Missouri.

00:19:52.080 Um, it was such a dodge to keep mentioning.

00:19:55.180 I dispatched the marshals.

00:19:56.440 I dispatched the marshals.

00:19:58.040 That's not what Senator Cruz was asking him.

00:20:01.480 No, that's right.

00:20:02.320 The key question which Senator Cruz posed to him over and over is how many prosecutions

00:20:07.060 have you brought?

00:20:07.560 Because just to be clear, Megan, federal law prohibits, it prohibits demonstrating in front

00:20:14.260 of a justice's home.

00:20:15.840 That is outlawed.

00:20:16.700 And this gets to the point you were talking about earlier.

00:20:18.240 Listen, I'm pro First Amendment.

00:20:19.500 I'm pro demonstrator.

00:20:20.660 And that doesn't mean that's whether I agree with you or not.

00:20:23.320 You want to demonstrate?

00:20:24.140 That's fine.

00:20:24.500 You want to pick at me?

00:20:25.700 That's fine.

00:20:26.140 There are, you can do that.

00:20:27.220 You can come to my office.

00:20:28.340 If you want to pick at the justices, go right ahead.

00:20:31.140 But we recognize in the law for whether it's justices or others, all kinds of restrictions

00:20:36.160 where we say, well, not where it's going to threaten their personal safety.

00:20:38.540 I mean, you want to go do it in a public space?

00:20:39.940 Go for it.

00:20:41.000 But in front of their homes at night?

00:20:42.660 No, federal law prohibits that.

00:20:44.300 These people are doing it.

00:20:45.820 They're at the justices' homes trying to terrorize them because they know it will terrorize them,

00:20:50.940 because they know it will make them fear for their safety.

00:20:53.080 And by the way, let's not forget, a wacko showed up at Justice Kavanaugh's home and tried 0.63

00:20:58.120 to assassinate him. 0.84

00:20:59.480 That actually happened.

00:21:01.120 Why?

00:21:01.980 Because Merrick Garland let the situation get totally out of control.

00:21:06.000 Zero prosecutions of the folks who've been doing this.

00:21:08.800 It's unconscionable.

00:21:10.180 And all he would have to do is prosecute one or two.

00:21:12.660 It's not like you have to arrest them all.

00:21:14.420 Just pick one or two.

00:21:15.700 Make an example out of them.

00:21:17.000 And you know what?

00:21:17.540 The others will go home really quickly because they don't want to be in jail.

00:21:20.000 They like being on camera.

00:21:21.700 And speaking of being on camera, his, you know, I just rely on the marshal.

00:21:26.360 Like I do what the marshals tell me falls on deaf ears as well.

00:21:30.140 Like they can't prosecute anybody based on the videotapes.

00:21:34.440 I mean, refresh me if I'm, if I'm like wrong, but wasn't there a really well-known group

00:21:39.640 of people who went on the Capitol grounds on January 6th who are getting prosecuted by

00:21:44.020 the dozen right now based on videotape?

00:21:47.640 Indeed.

00:21:48.500 And there's another striking contrast.

00:21:50.420 It seems that when this Justice Department wants to prosecute people, even for misdemeanor

00:21:54.840 offenses, they're more than capable of doing so.

00:21:57.340 But again, when they like the protest, we all know it's political.

00:22:00.700 I mean, it's clearly political.

00:22:02.240 The truth is Merrick Garland doesn't have the guts to stand up to the White House and

00:22:06.340 he doesn't have the guts to stand up to the far left.

00:22:08.260 And so when these people who want to terrorize the justices over the Roe decision, the Dobbs

00:22:13.420 decision about Roe v. Wade, when they go to their homes, he's not going to lift a finger

00:22:16.560 because he doesn't have the guts to do it.

00:22:17.940 And he probably agrees with them.

00:22:19.360 He probably likes the justices getting harassed.

00:22:22.040 So he just lets them do it.

00:22:23.540 That's, but Megan, that's not the rule of law.

00:22:25.500 As you very well know, the rule of law is impartial.

00:22:27.940 And that's why I say that my view has always been, as a constitutional lawyer, if you want

00:22:32.820 to protest, I will defend your right to protest peacefully and within the bounds of the law.

00:22:37.500 And it doesn't depend on whether I agree with you.

00:22:38.940 You want to protest about how the BLM, you were a member of that, and you want to protest?

00:22:44.080 Fine, but it's got to be peaceful within the bounds of the law.

00:22:48.340 But that's not Merrick Garland's view.

00:22:49.520 And how about, you know, even if he doesn't give a damn about Justice Alito or Justice

00:22:54.420 Kavanaugh, what about Amy Coney Barrett's 10-year-old child with Down syndrome?

00:22:58.360 You care about that kid sitting inside the home, having to look at these protesters out

00:23:02.480 there with these terrible signs about her and her colleagues threatening them?

00:23:06.360 Like, there are real reasons why we have these very few, very few in America restrictions

00:23:12.140 on where you can protest.

00:23:13.900 And when we do restrict your rights, it's actually, in this department, it historically

00:23:18.640 tends to be for really good reasons.

00:23:20.760 And I think the best argument I've heard, it was by John Pedoretz over on Commentary, for

00:23:25.180 why we do this for the justices.

00:23:26.620 Yes, of course, we don't want an obstruction of justice.

00:23:29.000 We don't want them feeling intimidated out of actually casting the vote we saw in the draft

00:23:34.120 opinion on Dobbs.

00:23:35.860 But it's also, it's important that these guys be able to be like, you know, you're here,

00:23:41.340 you're Senator Josh Hawley, but it's important for you, too, to have a moment as just Josh,

00:23:45.960 like to go home to your wife and kids and like go to your neighborhood barbecue and not

00:23:51.260 be this politician for a time to like see how your neighbors are living and just be a

00:23:55.340 normal person and relate to your constituents and the citizenry in that way.

00:24:01.140 That's good for the country to have guys like you and Kavanaugh and Alito and all of

00:24:05.220 doing that without having to worry about these loons showing up with placards and threats

00:24:10.900 and lining up outside of your house.

00:24:13.500 And you do think about it differently as a parent.

00:24:15.660 I mean, you're a mother, Megan.

00:24:16.740 I'm a father.

00:24:17.480 I mean, I've got three kids at home, little kids.

00:24:19.840 My youngest is now two.

00:24:21.080 And, you know, I just, my heart goes out to these justices.

00:24:23.740 We've had people come to our house, as famously been reported, harass my wife and my baby.

00:24:29.000 And, you know, listen, I mean, as a parent, it's just like, if you want to come, if you

00:24:32.720 disagree with me, that's fine.

00:24:33.960 That goes to the territory.

00:24:35.560 You want to protest me, that is your right.

00:24:37.120 If you want to yell at me, fine, that's your right.

00:24:39.560 But you don't need to go to the justices' homes and yell at them and intimidate their

00:24:45.080 kids and get up on their lawn.

00:24:46.740 You don't need to do that to make your point.

00:24:48.480 Go to the Supreme Court building.

00:24:49.860 Pick it all you want.

00:24:51.020 Yeah, I mean, do it as long as you want, as much as you want.

00:24:53.880 Yell as loud as you want to.

00:24:55.140 That's fine.

00:24:55.700 That's protected speech.

00:24:57.460 But to try and have it both ways and do what the Justice Department's doing, which is

00:25:01.620 you treat somebody who's doing it legitimately, like these pro-life demonstrators who were

00:25:05.360 following the law, who are in their restricted space, who were not intimidating people, they

00:25:10.960 get prosecuted.

00:25:12.060 But folks who are blatantly violating the law, they get coddled.

00:25:16.140 That's really, really wrong.

00:25:18.040 I was really glad to see all of you guys drawing attention to this, because what happened to

00:25:22.160 the Supreme Court justices was deeply wrong.

00:25:23.860 And the fact that he didn't do anything about it means we're going to get more of it.

00:25:27.400 You got a Supreme Court that basically faked, I believe, its investigation into who the

00:25:32.420 leaker was.

00:25:32.960 So the person got away with it.

00:25:34.880 It was a fig leaf investigation that went nowhere, I believe, intentionally.

00:25:38.920 And then you have an attorney general who had absolutely no interest in going after the

00:25:43.300 people who tried to torture the justices out of the opinion.

00:25:45.600 So we're going to get a lot more of it, especially because we've got a 6-3 court in favor of the

00:25:50.080 conservatives.

00:25:51.720 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:25:53.060 And the leaker, I'm glad you brought up the leaker, Megan, because I just say that, you

00:25:56.420 know, if you don't punish that, if you can, that was an intentional attempt to change the

00:26:03.120 outcome of a case.

00:26:04.680 And if that isn't in violation, by the way, of all the court's rules, of all the court's

00:26:08.460 ethics standards, of our ethical duties as lawyers, maybe also illegal, but at the very

00:26:12.480 least, it's against all of our duties as lawyers.

00:26:14.880 That person should be disbarred.

00:26:16.180 And nothing, I mean, no penalty whatsoever.

00:26:18.260 And so you're exactly right.

00:26:19.080 What's going to happen is that's going to happen again.

00:26:21.620 There's going to be more of it.

00:26:22.640 And these protesters, I believe they're still protesting at Amy Barrett's home.

00:26:27.680 They're still protesting at Brett Kavanaugh's home at night.

00:26:31.840 And that will go on and on and on.

00:26:34.320 And for those who say, hey, the court ought to stay out of politics and just decide the

00:26:37.940 law, well, the way you make that a reality is you enforce the law.

00:26:42.660 You do it in an even-handed manner.

00:26:44.280 You don't weaponize the law the way Merrick Garland and Joe Biden have done.

00:26:47.900 And if you're smart, you don't personalize, deeply personalize the attacks on these justices

00:26:53.680 because they're humans and it's only going to make them loathe you.

00:26:58.760 I mean, they're not totally immune from hating the people who are doing this to their children

00:27:05.020 or in Brett Kavanaugh's case, continuing to make movies about the many alleged unproven

00:27:11.580 sexual assaults or rapes or gang rapes.

00:27:14.100 I mean, go as extraordinary as you want because they have with him at the Sundance Film Festival 0.74

00:27:18.880 night.

00:27:19.200 It's like you should be tactical, right, about this person has a lifetime appointment.

00:27:24.960 Why would I do everything in my power to hurt him or her personally where it hurts with their

00:27:29.940 kids, with their, you know, their integrity when it comes to their relationship with their

00:27:35.280 spouse, et cetera?

00:27:36.220 You know, I think that's a really interesting point, Megan.

00:27:39.820 I think part of the answer that goes to is it gets to a feature of the modern left, which

00:27:43.900 is they want to delegitimize and completely deplatform anybody they disagree with.

00:27:49.720 You know, so it really gets, it's almost a religious fervor to this.

00:27:52.860 If you hold opinions they find objectionable, it's not enough to say, you're wrong, I disagree.

00:27:58.580 They actually want to silence you and to shame you.

00:28:02.180 And this is why they want people thrown off of social media.

00:28:04.560 This is why the Biden administration, same folks, made a list of people that they wanted

00:28:09.740 kicked off social media, including just normal, everyday people.

00:28:13.400 Oh, we don't like that.

00:28:14.180 Please, here, Twitter, kick them off.

00:28:15.800 Facebook, kick them off.

00:28:16.980 They want you shamed.

00:28:18.460 They want you ostracized.

00:28:20.180 They want to control the debate.

00:28:21.920 And they also want to use social sanctions.

00:28:23.960 I mean, they want people to be shunned.

00:28:26.400 And that's really, it's extraordinary.

00:28:28.100 We haven't really seen this in American history.

00:28:30.320 It's an extraordinary moment when you have a president and you have an administration that

00:28:34.420 says, we're going to try to get you kicked out of polite society if you dare to disagree

00:28:39.840 with us.

00:28:40.380 But it really, it shows you the authoritarian mindset right now for much of the left.

00:28:45.900 It's another reason why the politicization of every office is really troubling because

00:28:51.900 it's not just like, oh, it's Biden.

00:28:54.160 He's a lefty.

00:28:54.980 He put a lefty in this office.

00:28:56.560 Predictable.

00:28:57.560 It's like, well, certain of the committed left, what they're committed to is the ruination

00:29:03.760 of anybody who's not a committed leftist.

00:29:06.100 And so like people like you need to need to fight not just for Republicans, but for people

00:29:10.700 in the moderate middle who don't want to be targeted by some extremist with an agenda

00:29:15.560 that doesn't match up to most Americans.

00:29:17.660 This leads me to, believe it or not, audience, believe it or not, the National Archivist.

00:29:22.860 So you have the National Archivist in front of you and this person, she wants to be, she's

00:29:28.140 not yet, she wants to be, this person tried to hide her Twitter account from you, her

00:29:34.440 personal Twitter account from you and the other lawmakers.

00:29:36.800 And she had previously justified it by saying, there's nothing political on there, nothing

00:29:40.980 at all.

00:29:41.620 It's only about dogs and other sort of boring stuff.

00:29:45.140 So you actually were able to find out what was on that Twitter account.

00:29:48.580 And surprise, surprise, it just was, it wasn't just about her dog.

00:29:51.840 Here's you pressing this woman, um, about that non-disclosure on Tuesday.

00:29:59.240 On February 18th, 2022, you posted bemoaning the fact that mask requirements for children

00:30:05.900 under the age of five, one of whom I happen to have, by the way, had been dropped.

00:30:10.080 Is that a post about your dog or sports teams?

00:30:14.060 My social media is in my personal capacity.

00:30:17.480 Answer my question, please.

00:30:18.380 It's because you've testified under oath that you only posted about your dog and sports

00:30:23.020 teams and novels.

00:30:23.880 And you also said you wouldn't give this committee any of your public posts.

00:30:27.260 Is that a post about your dog or sports teams?

00:30:31.260 Yes or no?

00:30:32.180 My social media is in my personal capacity, Senator.

00:30:34.580 Yes or no, Ms. Shogan.

00:30:36.160 You are under oath.

00:30:37.240 My social media is in my personal capacity, Senator.

00:30:39.620 I have never seen a witness blatantly lie under oath like Dr. Shogan has just done to this

00:30:44.420 committee, stonewalled this committee, and just repeatedly refused to answer my questions

00:30:48.800 about her own posts that are in public.

00:30:52.920 It's extraordinary.

00:30:53.960 The person in that role now is effectively the person who got the whole ball rolling against

00:30:57.280 President Trump at Mar-a-Lago and the raid, what ultimately wound up being the raid.

00:31:01.640 And so how do we feel about this woman taking over that post? 1.00

00:31:05.680 Well, here's the thing, Megan, is that the National Archivist is somebody who ought to

00:31:09.140 be, there is a reason we don't know anything about it, right?

00:31:10.900 There's a reason most people are like, what, who?

00:31:12.820 That's because it's supposed to be a non-political post.

00:31:15.680 This is a person who like curates our national documents, the Declaration of Independence, you

00:31:20.080 know, like that's what they're supposed to do.

00:31:22.180 And so what we have is Joe Biden has nominated somebody who is a rabid partisan, and she's out

00:31:27.000 there on social media posting about how Republicans are evil.

00:31:30.520 She wrote an entire article, I kid you not, an entire article about how Republicans are

00:31:34.860 responsible for all of the anti-intellectualism, that's her word, in politics today. 1.00

00:31:40.700 She talked about how Ronald Reagan is an idiot, and how Christian conservatives are idiots. 1.00

00:31:46.020 I mean, you can read her article. 1.00

00:31:47.720 And then when we started to ask her about it, she tried to hide all of the documents,

00:31:51.960 and then she lied to us about it. 0.96

00:31:53.120 And my view is, listen, these are your views, you said this, defend them, explain to me why 1.00

00:31:58.040 it is you want to be in a non-partisan post, but yet you say Republicans are idiots, you 0.99

00:32:03.520 say that kids ought to be masked under the age of five, and anybody who disagrees ought 1.00

00:32:07.580 to be shamed.

00:32:08.280 And this is stuff she's saying in public.

00:32:10.440 And yet she lies to the committee, tried to hide it.

00:32:13.420 And then when she got caught hiding it, she lied more.

00:32:16.280 So, Megan, this is a classic example of this administration's determination to put rabid

00:32:23.780 partisans in every piece of government, every corner, every nook and cranny of government,

00:32:29.200 and to try again and shame anybody who disagrees with them.

00:32:32.780 And we've just got to expose it.

00:32:34.340 You got to go for a vote.

00:32:35.680 But quick last question, you managed to get it passed unanimously in the Senate, this bill

00:32:39.800 to declassify the intelligence behind how the COVID virus started, right, the intel we

00:32:45.260 have on, whether this was a lab leak, et cetera, which the FBI says it was, and now Department

00:32:49.240 of Energy, too.

00:32:50.160 Last time, the Democrats in the House didn't fail to do anything with it.

00:32:53.640 What's going to happen this time in the House now that the GOP is in control?

00:32:56.240 Boy, I sure hope that the House, the Republican House, will pass this thing.

00:32:59.320 This is simple, Megan.

00:33:00.260 It's basic.

00:33:01.440 Let the American people decide.

00:33:03.400 Let them see it.

00:33:04.020 Let everybody read the intelligence that we have, that we have gathered, our government, over

00:33:08.880 the last few years about COVID.

00:33:10.220 Let's stop this shell game.

00:33:11.320 Let's not forget, people were kicked off of social media.

00:33:14.580 People were silenced in public places when they said just two years ago, maybe this was

00:33:18.240 a lab leak.

00:33:18.940 We were told we couldn't say that.

00:33:20.400 We couldn't think it.

00:33:21.220 But all along, our government has had information that it was a lab leak.

00:33:26.020 So let the American people see it, publish it.

00:33:28.460 That's what this bill would do.

00:33:30.060 I have every confidence the House will soon pass it, and we'll send it to Joe Biden's desk.

00:33:33.640 And then we'll find out, does he actually believe in transparency?

00:33:36.840 Does he actually trust the people?

00:33:38.160 Or is he going to keep the lies and the shadows and the secrecy going?

00:33:41.880 We'll find out.

00:33:42.960 Right on.

00:33:43.840 Senator, thank you.

00:33:44.660 Great to see you.

00:33:45.860 Thank you so much.

00:33:47.400 That'll be really interesting to follow.

00:33:48.440 Gosh, can you imagine Joe Biden faced with this bill, passed unanimously?

00:33:51.860 Every Democrat in the Senate backed it.

00:33:54.480 How is he just going to veto that?

00:33:55.820 How is he just going to say, no, I won't, right?

00:33:57.720 That'll be, it's really raising some interesting questions.

00:34:00.260 So we'll continue to follow that.

00:34:01.260 I'd love to see that declassified information myself.

00:34:03.840 All right, we're going to be right back with Carol Markowitz and Bethany Mandel on a whole

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00:34:45.040 The kids are not all right.

00:34:47.820 Every day we are being bombarded with stories of children being exposed to highly inappropriate

00:34:52.420 content at places we once thought were safe, like schools, libraries, community centers,

00:34:59.600 you name it.

00:35:00.800 Carol Markowitz is a columnist for the New York Post.

00:35:02.920 Bethany Mandel is a contributing writer for Deseret News, and these two journalists have

00:35:07.340 been unrelenting in the best sense in covering these stories and offering up ways to fight

00:35:12.900 against the woke agenda that is targeting and truly harming our children and our country.

00:35:18.880 Carol, Bethany, welcome back.

00:35:20.360 Great to see you.

00:35:21.800 Thank you so much for having us.

00:35:24.040 All right.

00:35:24.240 I have to start with this, Carol.

00:35:26.340 I have to start with this.

00:35:28.480 About three months ago, because you fled New York, you went down to Florida.

00:35:32.920 And you sent out some tweet like, look, it's 72 degrees.

00:35:35.960 It's amazing.

00:35:37.060 And I was like, no, I'd rather be in New York with the fires burning, right?

00:35:41.160 And the leaves churning.

00:35:42.540 And I was like, I really mean this.

00:35:45.440 And I shot off my big mouth without thinking about February and March.

00:35:51.460 And now here we are, snow.

00:35:54.580 It's freezing outside.

00:35:56.820 It's gray every day. 1.00

00:35:58.680 And I thought, that bitch, Carol, is down there. 1.00

00:36:02.580 I owe her an apology. 0.99

00:36:05.240 So what I wanted to tell you about that, and I almost wrote to you, but I didn't want to

00:36:09.340 like, you know, I didn't want to disturb the peace any further.

00:36:12.020 But Florida actually gets fall.

00:36:14.040 We had like three days of like 62 to 65 degree weather where we all like bundled up in sweatshirts

00:36:20.960 and drank hot chocolate.

00:36:22.240 So you get to have that for just like a few days and then you get back to normal.

00:36:26.500 And so, you know, the offer still stands.

00:36:28.580 You want to come to Florida?

00:36:29.680 We're very happy to have you.

00:36:31.600 Well, I still maintain you can't beat New York in autumn in New York.

00:36:34.500 There's a reason there are movies named after it and songs named after it.

00:36:38.080 But it's all downhill from there.

00:36:40.780 I mean, let's face it, autumn ends like mid-November and you're stuck in winter till mid-May.

00:36:46.540 That's where we are right now.

00:36:47.800 So now's the time for me to visit you and see if it's true with all the things you say

00:36:51.820 about Florida.

00:36:52.620 I'd like to see it in person.

00:36:53.900 I'll do some on the ground reporting.

00:36:55.940 And speaking of being happy, you left New York.

00:36:59.640 You left New York.

00:37:00.920 I left New York.

00:37:02.260 Thank God, because one of the things that we would be doing right now is paying our taxpayer

00:37:06.340 dollars, would be paying the BLM protesters who tore apart our city after George Floyd. 0.95

00:37:14.880 This is from the New York Post.

00:37:16.100 I'll just show the audience.

00:37:17.540 Cashing in on mayhem is the title.

00:37:20.840 That's exactly right.

00:37:22.000 And there's a piece by the editorial board talking about how if you're if you're in favor

00:37:27.120 of this, what you don't understand is that the protesters went out there looking for problematic

00:37:32.360 interactions with the cops.

00:37:33.700 They were not innocent victims, mindless or minding their own business, protesting lawfully

00:37:38.340 within the bounds of the written code.

00:37:41.000 No, they were. 0.97

00:37:42.040 They were shitsters, professional shitsters who went out there looking for trouble, Carol. 0.99

00:37:46.560 They got it. 0.96

00:37:47.700 And now we're paying them six million dollars.

00:37:51.820 Yeah.

00:37:52.360 Yeah.

00:37:52.800 I was living in New York during those protests, what I call like the social justice at Prada

00:37:56.960 protests of 2020.

00:37:58.240 And it was really a terrifying time to be there.

00:38:02.520 It was just mayhem.

00:38:03.960 Like you said, they were destroying property, breaking windows.

00:38:08.800 And all the people around them were kind of like, yeah, this is what they have to do because

00:38:13.660 this happened.

00:38:14.760 And this is, you know, this kind of destruction is just sort of what we should be expecting.

00:38:18.820 And the thing is that nobody talks about how hard those days were for cops.

00:38:22.960 It was still, you know, at the height of COVID where we didn't know what was going on

00:38:27.260 with that.

00:38:27.700 It wasn't such a clear cut, like this isn't that big a threat to us.

00:38:31.220 And they had to be out there policing and fighting back against this with very minimal

00:38:37.740 community support from New Yorkers.

00:38:40.740 It was just an extremely tough time.

00:38:43.100 You know, BLM signs were everywhere.

00:38:45.160 Defund police signs were everywhere.

00:38:46.740 Obviously, in all the like four million dollar brownstones in my neighborhood all had the 1.00

00:38:50.840 defund police signs.

00:38:51.820 And it was just a really trying time for police, most of whom or many of whom have left New

00:38:57.760 York and gone elsewhere since then.

00:39:00.100 This is from the article.

00:39:01.140 New York protesters were called to action this day is right after George Floyd.

00:39:05.200 It was early June of 2020 by two activist groups who taunted the NYPD with a flyer of

00:39:11.700 a burning cop van and incendiary phrases that encouraged demonstrators to break the APM curfew

00:39:17.000 that had been imposed in the city in the days prior because of what had been going on with

00:39:21.640 these protests.

00:39:22.320 It was no mystery.

00:39:23.780 They went out there, Bethany, wanting trouble.

00:39:26.680 And what happened to them?

00:39:27.600 Was it some awful, you know, all these terrible beat down by the cops?

00:39:32.160 Here's the description.

00:39:33.940 The city's agreed to shell out twenty one thousand five hundred dollars to each of the

00:39:37.740 more than 300 protesters who were confined and some hit by batons or pepper sprayed by the

00:39:44.220 NYPD officers in the Bronx during the George Floyd demonstrations.

00:39:48.600 So, by the way, it's like you were confined by officers for maybe 10 minutes in some cases,

00:39:54.200 like some of these were short.

00:39:55.960 And if you were unlawfully charged with a crime after being confined, you're going to get an

00:40:00.040 additional twenty five hundred dollars.

00:40:01.680 You know what that means?

00:40:02.360 We're going to get an additional set of protesters looking to stir things up with the cops, 0.79

00:40:06.440 endangering the cops, endangering the communities the cops protect on the next

00:40:10.720 incident.

00:40:11.380 You name it.

00:40:11.920 Doesn't have to be as big as George Floyd.

00:40:14.220 Yeah, absolutely.

00:40:15.280 I mean, the message should be F around and find out.

00:40:18.300 And instead, it's F around and get a payout.

00:40:21.500 I mean, I would love to sign up for twenty one K to have a zip tie around my my wrists 0.97

00:40:26.520 for twenty minutes.

00:40:28.360 And I think most people would sign up for twenty K for twenty minutes.

00:40:31.780 And so this really incentivizes absolute anarchy the next time and the next time and the next

00:40:37.340 time.

00:40:37.920 And, you know, price of inflation, maybe it'll be thirty K next time.

00:40:41.380 There is absolutely no reason not to go for broke.

00:40:44.400 And this is a really, really bad message that all of these professional protesters, you're

00:40:49.240 absolutely right.

00:40:50.380 Like if you've been to a New York protest when I was when I was in my teens, I was on the

00:40:55.440 other side of it.

00:40:56.280 And these are literally professional protesters.

00:40:58.520 These are kids who live in those four million dollar brownstones and then go out and protest 1.00

00:41:03.480 against whatever the cause du jour is, whether it's George Floyd or Palestine or the Iraq

00:41:10.580 war.

00:41:11.260 It all sort of it all blends together.

00:41:13.800 And I mean, if you harken back to the Occupy Wall Street days, I mean, it's all the same

00:41:18.680 stuff.

00:41:19.100 But the post goes on.

00:41:22.360 The police vehicles were burned.

00:41:24.880 A couple of lawyers were caught with Molotov cocktails. 0.99

00:41:28.240 Cops were spat upon, slurred as pigs. 0.99

00:41:31.160 Here's your money here. 1.00

00:41:32.540 You get twenty grand for lighting a cop car on fire and calling the cop a pig. 0.74

00:41:37.600 Welcome to New York, the big city of dreams. 0.80

00:41:40.720 And the thing is, you're right.

00:41:41.720 Yes, so many are professional protesters there.

00:41:44.460 They loved being in the news.

00:41:45.500 They loved sowing chaos.

00:41:46.700 Just as an aside, I'll tell you something funny.

00:41:48.820 My mom, when I was on Fox, she's like not a big news person, but she would always watch

00:41:52.680 my show.

00:41:53.600 She's not like a big news consumer.

00:41:55.700 She's recently been turned on to Tucker Carlson. 0.58

00:41:58.080 She knows we're friends.

00:41:59.580 She's recently been turned on to Tucker.

00:42:00.800 She's like, I really think he's interesting.

00:42:03.260 You know, he's I find his reports about FIFA really interesting.

00:42:07.700 I'm like, FIFA, like the soccer group.

00:42:10.760 She's like, they're very troubling.

00:42:12.500 Like the side.

00:42:13.300 I mean, they are kind of troubling.

00:42:14.220 But when was Tucker?

00:42:15.200 She was like, oh, they go to all the protests and they infiltrate and they cause a lot of

00:42:19.960 damage to that.

00:42:20.640 I'm like, do you mean Antifa?

00:42:25.200 Anyway, FIFA was probably at this at these protests, too, and they're probably getting

00:42:30.320 $20,000 payouts, ladies. 0.99

00:42:32.600 I just I'm just I've had it.

00:42:33.820 I would just have to talk with Senator Hawley about nothing for the Supreme Court protesters

00:42:37.980 who nearly got a justice killed.

00:42:40.160 No problem.

00:42:41.020 The pro-life guy, he gets 20 to 30 FBI agents, the people who bomb the pro-life clinics who

00:42:48.660 don't.

00:42:49.520 Yes, they're anti-abortion, but they're what they're really doing is just helping moms who

00:42:53.180 choose to have their babies.

00:42:54.020 That's all they're doing.

00:42:54.900 They get firebombed.

00:42:56.040 No prosecutions.

00:42:56.960 And Merrick Garland tells him, well, they did it at night.

00:42:59.560 Those crimes are a lot harder to prosecute because it happened at night.

00:43:01.680 Oh, my God.

00:43:02.200 People wonder why we're so lawless in these major cities and the people are now rising

00:43:08.480 up.

00:43:09.000 Lori Lightfoot is out.

00:43:10.340 And for very good reason, Bethany.

00:43:12.300 Yep.

00:43:12.960 Yeah.

00:43:13.200 No, I mean, that was so thrilling to see. 0.72

00:43:16.020 And so much of it was also her covid hypocrisy, which, you know, was on full display during the 0.89

00:43:21.920 George Floyd protests in New York as well. 0.90

00:43:24.280 People have completely had it with authority of any kind.

00:43:28.980 And I signed my daughter up for summer camp this summer.

00:43:32.400 And on the on the application, it said, you know, the last two years have been very trying

00:43:37.200 for children.

00:43:38.060 How has your child fared?

00:43:39.720 We've been seeing a lot of mental health issues.

00:43:41.860 And I wrote in that section, she has developed a very healthy trust of distrust of authority.

00:43:46.740 And that's I mean, that's the lesson of the last three years is, you know, let's send

00:43:51.800 these folks packing.

00:43:52.980 And Lori Lightfoot's out.

00:43:54.120 And I'd love to see, you know, the same thing happen in New York.

00:43:56.800 I I'm also born and raised in New York.

00:43:58.960 And I left when Bill de Blasio came in because it was obvious it was going to go this way.

00:44:04.040 I want to just add what she did to Chicago actually thought that the police behaved

00:44:09.320 appropriately during those protests.

00:44:11.860 He actually had defended the police actions during that time.

00:44:15.580 So there's some level of irony that the most like far left mayor of New York didn't see

00:44:20.000 a problem.

00:44:20.480 But somehow they still got paid all these protesters.

00:44:23.260 I mean, I guess a federal judge still has to sign off on it, but they're going to.

00:44:27.860 I mean, they're going to.

00:44:29.360 And and the citizens of New York are going to be stuck dealing with it.

00:44:32.240 You know, I feel like New York is going the way of San Francisco.

00:44:35.600 And, you know, we're maybe a year or two behind what's happening there.

00:44:39.780 This mayor, you know, he has not turned out to be the hopeful, you know, reform candidate.

00:44:45.480 We thought, you know, potentially he could be because he was a cop, former cop.

00:44:48.780 And he's been a big disappointment, even to my liberal friends, even my liberal friends

00:44:52.440 in the city, because all my doctors, those are all liberals.

00:44:54.780 And I talk to them all the time.

00:44:56.140 You know, they're not happy with him.

00:44:57.940 They see the quality of life issues.

00:44:59.820 And it's happening in all of our major cities.

00:45:01.940 You know, it's like whatever.

00:45:03.680 You know how it goes.

00:45:04.420 They're not arresting the criminals.

00:45:05.600 They're not prosecuting the criminals.

00:45:06.840 They're not sentencing the criminals to any real sentences.

00:45:09.720 They're letting them out, giving everybody to get out of jail free card, which is the BLM 1.00

00:45:13.640 dream.

00:45:14.960 How's that going in Florida?

00:45:16.240 That's not happening in Florida, is it, Carol?

00:45:17.880 So what I wanted to, you know, again, I don't want to push any buttons, but it's not because

00:45:23.360 of, you know, the weather is a nice, like, side advantage.

00:45:27.800 What I really love here is the normalcy.

00:45:30.100 You mentioned the two lawyers who firebombed the police cars in New York during those protests.

00:45:35.520 I read earlier today that one of those lawyers only got a year.

00:45:38.680 I mean, how do you get a year for firebombing a police car?

00:45:42.280 It just, it shows the level of insanity there.

00:45:45.280 And so what I really love about Florida, it's just not perfect.

00:45:48.500 It's going to have issues.

00:45:49.620 And it's not like I just don't worry about anything here, but there's a level of normalcy

00:45:54.260 that I have never in my entire life experienced because my entire life has been spent in blue

00:45:59.240 places.

00:45:59.660 So I had a very low expectation for things being sane.

00:46:03.480 And now I really get to luxuriate in normalcy like I never have before.

00:46:08.940 That was amazing.

00:46:10.440 Bethany, what are we doing?

00:46:11.960 What are you guys doing?

00:46:14.540 I lock my kids in the car when I, like, run into my house real quick because there's been

00:46:18.800 carjackers all over my neighborhood the past week.

00:46:21.340 Like, that's, I live in Montgomery County, Maryland, where they also don't prosecute people.

00:46:25.860 They let everybody go.

00:46:27.140 If you're under 18, oh, well, your frontal cortex might not be developed enough for you not

00:46:31.100 to know that hijacking is bad, so they just let them out. 1.00

00:46:34.140 But it's developed enough for you to chop off your penis and or your breasts. 1.00

00:46:38.520 That's fine. 1.00

00:46:39.240 That piece of your brain is just right up right where we wanted it to be.

00:46:43.180 All right, stand by, because I do want to get to some of the insanity with kids in the

00:46:45.940 schools.

00:46:46.820 And we talk about the trans stuff a lot, and there's actually a couple of interesting

00:46:49.540 updates on the transport stuff.

00:46:51.500 But the sexualization of the children is, I mean, I don't want to put a value on it, but

00:46:57.080 it's at least equally problematic. 0.98

00:46:58.780 Could be more so what they're doing to these children and like the weird gay sex demonstrations 1.00

00:47:04.440 in these books that are being made available to young teens. 0.85

00:47:07.640 Like, what's happening?

00:47:08.940 Carol and Bethany are the perfect people to ask, and we'll do that next.

00:47:12.200 Don't forget, you can find the show, Megyn Kelly, live on SiriusXM Triumph Channel 111 every

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00:47:33.100 On the subject of what's happening in schools, and this is why Bethany homeschools, right?

00:47:38.520 This is why a lot of people choose not to put their children in public schools or even the

00:47:42.380 private schools, which, I mean, that's what I fled from in New York.

00:47:45.700 The private schools, they're horrible.

00:47:47.040 An 11-year-old at a school in Maine, Maine, decided he needed to speak out about something

00:47:56.700 he found in the library, all right?

00:47:59.560 In his school's library.

00:48:00.580 He's a sixth grader, just like I have an 11-year-old who's a sixth grader.

00:48:04.540 Um, his name is, uh, Knox Zajac, and he went to his school board meeting to talk about a

00:48:13.180 book that he found in his library.

00:48:16.260 Now, the age advisor in this book is 14 years or older.

00:48:18.880 He's 11, but of course, it's there accessible to the middle schoolers, and there he was in

00:48:22.180 sixth grade.

00:48:23.120 I am going to warn our listening audience that it's graphic what you're about to hear, and

00:48:29.880 you should be shocked and somewhat appalled to hear an 11-year-old talking about this.

00:48:35.000 But the biggest sin is that it was forced in front of his face by his school.

00:48:38.240 That's what we're talking about here.

00:48:39.620 Take a listen to Knox.

00:48:41.780 I was in the library, and this book was on a stand.

00:48:45.720 I'd like to read you a page.

00:48:47.840 My back over my hips as I ask if we should take off, take our clothes off, and he's saying

00:48:54.140 yes before I finish my sentence.

00:48:55.880 He's pulling off my t-shirt, laughing when I can't undo his shirt buttons.

00:49:00.340 He's undoing my belt.

00:49:01.600 I'm reaching into his bedside drawer for a condom. 0.67

00:49:04.460 We're kissing again.

00:49:06.240 We're rolling over.

00:49:07.080 Obviously, you can see where this is going. 0.73

00:49:09.140 But this reminds me so much of the first time we had sex. 0.97

00:49:12.120 We were both fucking terrified, and the whole thing was kind of terrible because we didn't 0.97

00:49:16.760 know what we were doing. 0.95

00:49:18.880 But it was good too.

00:49:20.520 So good.

00:49:21.560 Now, this book was at my middle school, and it was on a stand.

00:49:24.020 When I rented it out to show my dad it, the librarian asked if I wanted more and if I

00:49:29.800 wanted a graphic novel version.

00:49:33.380 God bless this sweet boy for having the guts to bring this to everyone's attention. 0.56

00:49:38.780 That is absolutely disgusting.

00:49:40.920 It's deeply immoral. 0.94

00:49:42.420 It's wrong.

00:49:43.520 And it's not just happening in his middle school, Carol.

00:49:47.020 Yeah, it's so shocking to hear the words.

00:49:51.520 And I hope that this shocks people out of their just, you know, compliance with this

00:49:56.320 sort of thing.

00:49:57.280 In Florida, Governor DeSantis has made it a sort of a priority to root this kind of material

00:50:02.600 out of schools.

00:50:03.800 And he's gotten so much pushback from the left saying like, oh, you're banning books.

00:50:07.740 You're banning books.

00:50:08.380 Well, no, you're not banning books.

00:50:09.720 You're asking nicely for the pornography to not be available to your middle schooler.

00:50:15.220 And, you know, I want to say also that I think a lot of people are saying, oh, this

00:50:18.920 kid, his parents probably put him up to it.

00:50:21.260 But I have one of these kids who would stand up and read something like this at a meeting.

00:50:25.620 In fact, my middle son, today is a read aloud day at his school.

00:50:29.640 And he brought in.

00:50:30.720 And again, I had zero to do with this.

00:50:32.640 But what I saw on Mulberry Street by Dr.

00:50:35.340 Seuss, which, of course, has been canceled and rewritten and whatever.

00:50:38.160 And he's like, no, I love this book.

00:50:40.280 I'm bringing it in.

00:50:41.060 So there is a segment of kids who have recognized how insane things have gotten, and they're

00:50:46.200 not standing for it anymore.

00:50:47.720 And it's really happening organically and on their own.

00:50:51.100 You know, Bethany, there's a story in the news today about how they're re-releasing Disney

00:50:55.220 as Peter Pan, and they're bringing in the sensitivity experts to sensitize it.

00:51:01.640 And apparently we stepped on the toes of some Native Americans in the first version, like 1.00

00:51:07.080 their language wasn't perfect.

00:51:08.480 There's a Native American who had broken English.

00:51:11.680 So that needs to be fixed, right?

00:51:14.800 And also, the lost boys now have girls in them, because you can't have any single sex 0.91

00:51:19.300 group that doesn't include girl power.

00:51:21.080 I'm sure you can have all girls.

00:51:22.320 They wouldn't be infiltrating boys into the all girls groups.

00:51:24.900 But you can't have lost boys.

00:51:26.260 Now you have to have boys and girls, whatever, right? 0.82

00:51:28.580 Who knows?

00:51:28.880 Um, so there, this is the left.

00:51:31.580 The woke left needs to make sure no one's sensibilities or sensitivities get offended

00:51:36.680 by the Native American in the old 1954 Peter Pan movie having some broken English.

00:51:42.580 That would be horrible for the kids to see. 0.96

00:51:44.800 But you can have the little boy, the 11-year-old, reading about effing and gay sex between two 1.00

00:51:51.380 boys. 1.00

00:51:51.960 No problem.

00:51:52.700 Who else would like access to it?

00:51:53.940 Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, it perfectly encapsulates the modern American woke left, that we all

00:52:00.680 need to be protected from, you know, different stereotypes that were prevalent 70 years ago,

00:52:07.660 but that we are all, even our eight-year-olds, are fully ready to experience a graphic novel

00:52:13.380 in which there is a graphic sex scene between two of the children characters.

00:52:17.820 Um, you know, that's how you can be enlightened.

00:52:19.800 And I, I had, uh, one of my, one of my kids, my oldest daughter picked up a graphic novel

00:52:25.280 at our local library.

00:52:27.140 And over the course of talking to other moms about, you know, what was going on in, in

00:52:33.220 their school libraries, they both brought up a book and it sounded familiar.

00:52:36.800 And I realized, oh, wait a second, that's the book my daughter just took out of the library.

00:52:41.040 And thankfully I hadn't brought the library bag in from my trunk yet, but I went out my driveway

00:52:46.020 and I looked in my trunk and there it was. And it was a lesbian sex scene between two girls 1.00

00:52:51.000 at a sleepover. And, and they think that, you know, it's okay to sexualize children if they, 0.99

00:52:56.800 if they make it LGBT in any way. And I'm sorry, it's not, it doesn't make me a bigot. I'm not

00:53:02.580 interested in introducing to my children sexualized content, gay or straight. It's just not appropriate, 0.52

00:53:08.160 but they think that it's a get out of jail free card to make it LGBT.

00:53:11.280 That's so true. I never actually put my finger on that distinction. That's, that's their escape

00:53:16.180 patch. You're exactly right. If you make them same sex, you can get as graphic and pornographic 1.00

00:53:20.820 as you want. No problem because you're whatever pro LGBT. The dad of little Knox Zajac, his dad

00:53:29.780 got up there too. And he's rip roaring mad in front of this main school board and told another story

00:53:35.760 about his other kid who's in the high school. And again, this is graphic. The languages are rated as

00:53:42.200 you know, that deeply offends me. Um, and, uh, but you'll hear him tell it, uh, straight to this board

00:53:47.840 as well. Take a listen.

00:53:49.920 So that's my son, 11 years old and went to his library and found that by the entry door

00:53:58.660 of our library, this is the smut that he is finding. And then as far as gender queer, 0.95

00:54:06.640 I've got a son in the high school as well. And this is bullshit. We know it. All right. We do not 1.00

00:54:13.760 need to be having literature that's showing boys how to suck dick. All right. This is a very, 1.00

00:54:21.540 very frustrated about it. Okay. And you may think that schools know the best for our children. You know

00:54:27.300 who know the best for our children? The parents. God love that man in his red and black lumberjack

00:54:33.640 shirt saying it straight, you know, just not mincing words. We need, we need millions more

00:54:39.660 just like him. I know you guys were calling attention to this just came out. Was it the

00:54:43.660 Manhattan Institute? Was it city journal that just published the data on like how yeah, Manhattan

00:54:49.200 Institute. And, uh, that just published the data on the number of 18 to 20 year olds in America

00:54:53.340 who can name like one of the key CRT concepts, right? And it's like 93%, 93% have been exposed

00:55:01.120 to critical race theory, which is the sister to all this radical trans ideology stuff,

00:55:05.760 radical gender stuff. Like this is the new woke left and it's working for them. They're getting

00:55:10.680 to 93% of our kids. Yeah. And the other 7% are homeschooled. So you're welcome. Everyone

00:55:17.620 holding up the rear here, so to speak. Yeah, they, they absolutely have infiltrated our schools

00:55:26.360 and all of our institutions with this nonsense and they're jamming it down our throats because

00:55:31.380 it's not popular. It's not popular at all. 7% of Americans consider themselves very liberal. And I

00:55:37.320 bet it's even a smaller number that really considers themselves themselves woke. Um, so they're doing it

00:55:43.040 without our consent and they're doing it without being the majority opinion. Uh, but people are

00:55:48.060 not fighting back. And I think what this dad and his son have shown is you have to do it. You have

00:55:52.680 to get up at those school board meetings. You have to show people what's going on in your library. You

00:55:57.400 have to show them that this is really not being exaggerated. This is a really bad thing that is

00:56:02.200 being aimed at children. It's really scary what you just said, Bethany, because think how busy

00:56:07.560 you are. Carol is. I am. Our listeners are, you don't have time to read every book that their kid

00:56:13.160 brings home. Who the hell's got time for that? I can barely look at like the syllabus, the outline

00:56:17.980 for the class and whatever I like the stuff I'm supposed to look at it and like sign off on. I can

00:56:22.060 barely make time for that. Nevermind to read all of their books in advance and make sure this stuff

00:56:26.540 isn't in there. And you know, lest anybody think it was just like a well-meaning librarian who's not

00:56:31.880 actively working against parents like us. There's too many examples to conclude that. There's too

00:56:37.680 many teachers who are now on the receiving end of lawsuits for deciding the little girl should

00:56:44.420 actually go by the boy name and not telling the parents. And then there was a case just out of New

00:56:49.000 York, just out of New York. Oh, this is for the Daily Mail. Two days ago, New York teacher manipulated

00:56:54.140 fifth grade student into changing gender without parents' consent. And you know what? They decided to

00:56:59.420 start calling this fifth grader Leo. It was a little girl and using he, him pronouns in October,

00:57:04.600 2021. This is the teacher, but the little girl, the girl is nine, nine years old. The teacher,

00:57:11.600 they name her Deborah Rosenquist at Terryville Road Elementary School on Long Island. So the girl's a

00:57:17.140 girl, but I guess maybe had some confusion. It's unclear how the discussion started. And unbeknownst to

00:57:23.840 this little girl's parents, they start using he, him pronouns for a nine-year-old calling the little

00:57:28.660 girl Leo. And it was only months later, quoting now from the Daily Mail in January, 2022, when the

00:57:33.840 girl was caught drawing a picture of a suicidal girl with the words, I want to kill myself, that

00:57:39.620 her parents were informed she was being called male pronouns in the school. This woman Rosenquist 0.95

00:57:46.980 still in the classroom. Carol, I like, I would not leave the outside of that school. I would be there

00:57:54.560 every day protesting. I would get every single person. I know that person needs to be fired. 0.99

00:57:59.180 But the problem is at least we're in New York city. The rule is you don't tell. That's right.

00:58:05.520 The rule is absolutely absurd. But what I want to say about this story in particular is it didn't

00:58:10.140 happen in New York city. It happened on long Island. It happened in Jefferson station,

00:58:13.980 a conservative Hamlet in a conservative County Suffolk, um, you know, on long Island,

00:58:18.800 which has been really trending red over the last decade or so. Um, and the idea that this is

00:58:25.360 happening there is really what should alarm people because I think a lot of people believe like, Oh,

00:58:30.260 this is stuff that happens in San Francisco or like New York city. But look, they targeted this kid

00:58:35.080 at a suburban conservative school. And yeah, I, I, I think the parents need to be beyond outrage. I think

00:58:42.500 they need to sue the school district. I think they need to take the next steps. Um, but what the

00:58:47.540 larger message is if you think your kids are protected because you've managed to raise them

00:58:52.740 in a conservative community and send them to a school that you think is going to, you know,

00:58:57.580 reflect your values, just know that this happened somewhere that they thought they were doing that

00:59:02.540 too. Hmm. My gosh. And it's, it's often a law in these places. Yeah. Like it was in New York. That

00:59:10.340 was policy. Like the teacher would be breaking policy if she told, but how young do we go? Second

00:59:15.760 grader can switch identity, gender identity. You don't tell the parents, the kindergartners.

00:59:20.960 Yeah. I mean, like it can truly get to the point of abuse, just like that. What, what lies ahead for

00:59:28.540 these kids. If they stay in the gender transition line, um, Elaine also offers abuse, right? Like 1.00

00:59:34.380 the system is abusing them. The American system in particular, by the way, because now our friends

00:59:39.700 over in Europe, same way they got more reasonable about, about COVID before we did that. Now they're

00:59:44.860 getting more reasonable about cross gender hormones and surgeries for kids who are minors. And we are

00:59:52.140 still dug in over here. Like we don't, we didn't hear, we didn't see, we don't know anything about

00:59:57.140 the new information. Nope. Didn't don't know anything about it. Yeah. When my middle son was

01:00:03.560 like three or four, he was positive. He was Batman. And then, um, he demanded to be called Batman. He also

01:00:09.760 went through a Kylo Ren phase, but then we went to, uh, Mount Vernon and he became George Washington.

01:00:14.540 So I just wonder how much of this, like he should have pushed on his teachers. Like he knew we'd call

01:00:19.640 him George Washington at home, but he never actually took it to school. So I would have loved

01:00:24.040 to see if they would have, Mr. Washington, it's time for lunch. You know, um, I, it's crazy that

01:00:29.780 they're taking the words of a nine year old, um, and saying like, Oh, you, you think you might be a

01:00:34.760 girl or a boy and not, not the gender you were born with. Okay. Let's just run with that. Um, 0.95

01:00:39.420 it's a lot of power for a kid. I think that they don't seem to realize that there is going to be

01:00:45.140 advantage taking. I always say this, but if I were a teenager right now, I know I would make my teachers

01:00:50.640 call me jet or G or whatever. I would, I would go with whatever the latest pronoun was or make my

01:00:56.060 own up. Cause why not? I, I have that power of my teacher and I enjoy that. Yeah. Yeah. Just to

01:01:01.060 mess with them. Um, there is a little glimmer of hope here, Bethany out of Canada of all places,

01:01:06.280 Canada, which, um, is not like Europe. It does not precede us in its reforms of its weird progressive,

01:01:11.940 uh, ideals. Um, but it was forced to, in this case, the infamous Canadian shop teacher, Kayla

01:01:20.260 Lemieux with the clearly fake enormous breasts with the clearly fake prosthetic nipples, which are bigger 1.00

01:01:28.300 than any normal nipples. Any woman has ever had, um, endangering said breasts right there with the 1.00

01:01:34.080 saw inside the shop class and the fake wig. I mean, this person is an absurdity, um, has now been placed

01:01:41.140 on paid leave. Thank God it's about time because the New York post, my God, thank God they did this

01:01:48.820 reporting. They tracked down Kayla Lemieux. It was, it's an incredible piece. If you just Google it,

01:01:53.980 Kayla Lemieux near post, you'll find it. They tracked down Kayla. Kayla says Kayla's not trans.

01:01:59.820 Kayla says I'm intersex. That's when you have both organs, you know, that can happen. We used to call

01:02:04.480 it hermaphrodite. Now it's inter intersex. Kayla says those boobs are real. They're not real. Kayla 1.00

01:02:13.540 snap out of it, sister. I have always wondered if this was just a giant side. No, it's not a troll.

01:02:20.540 I, I've, I, a lot of people have asked that it were to, we're past the point of her being able

01:02:25.880 to do that big reveal. I really, at this point, I'm going to have a middle finger for Kayla. If

01:02:29.500 this is all a big troll, because it should have been revealed a long time. But now he gets paid

01:02:34.040 leave. So maybe this is brilliant. Oh, so I see. It's like a long game to get like fired and you

01:02:39.800 can sue or whatever. Okay. Well that could be, that could be, but here's the story. So Kayla tells

01:02:44.540 the post, these boobs are real. Kayla claims that, um, they are the product of something called 0.88

01:02:50.240 gigantomastia, which in case you're wondering is a rare condition. Very rare, very, uh, that involves

01:02:58.860 developing extremely large breasts due to excessive breast tissue growth. Boy, Kayla's got a lot of 1.00

01:03:04.180 issues, both sex organs and gigantomastia. I mean, what are the odds? And, uh, though Kayla admits to the

01:03:10.440 New York post, she's never been officially diagnosed. It's just like her back of the

01:03:14.660 envelope thing probably came about right after she got her surgery, inserting them. Um, that's my

01:03:20.340 opinion. She, uh, went on to deny that the posts pictures of a man who looks exactly like Kayla

01:03:27.020 without the blonde wig and without those breasts showing it to the, watching it to the audience here. 1.00

01:03:33.220 You can look at it on YouTube later. She went on to deny that that was her. She said, it's not me,

01:03:37.520 but she also said she can't prove that either. And, um, the neighbor said it's 100% Kayla. Kayla

01:03:44.140 does that all the time. It's very rare that you see Kayla in the wig and the breast. So Kayla's got

01:03:48.420 a mental disorder and Kayla's working it on our kids and Kayla should be on paid leave. And so 0.94

01:03:53.500 should the others who are, let's face it, like some of these people, some are some people who

01:03:57.460 genuinely have gender dysphoria. They have it from very young age. They deal with it their whole life.

01:04:01.180 They tend to like transition and they stay in the newly transitioned role. And then there's all

01:04:05.420 these other weird glommers, many of whom have severe mental issues who want access to our children 0.98

01:04:10.200 all day. Yeah. And that's really what it comes down to is that the, there are a lot of mental health 0.98

01:04:16.900 issues at play for the children that are doing this and for the adults that are doing this. And there's

01:04:23.060 a reason why it was in the DSM it's because it's meant it's a mental health crisis. And, you know,

01:04:28.740 with the kid, with the nine-year-old who was presenting, I mean, there was so much other stuff

01:04:33.520 going on before this decision that she became a he. And when they glam on to just the, just the 0.85

01:04:42.560 transgender ideology and they don't treat the underlying mental health issues, kids are done 1.00

01:04:47.500 such a disservice. And so is this adult and it's become a, just a sideshow. And we're all expected

01:04:52.840 to like, it's like an emperor's new clothes moment. We're all expected to pretend to understand that.

01:04:59.040 Oh yeah. Isolated thing with the gender. Like, no, there's, there's a lot of other stuff at play

01:05:07.040 here. So Rosenquist gets to abuse our kids, Carol, in the fifth grade, Rosenquist gets to tell the

01:05:14.180 nine-year-olds that they actually are a Leo when they're a Leah, right? That's fine without telling

01:05:19.140 the parents. And the main teachers can abuse that little boy by shoving literature about gay sex 0.99

01:05:25.500 in front of him at a totally inappropriate, uh, age. Then Kayla can go into the classroom and shove 0.99

01:05:31.580 her obviously fake tits, excuse me, in the face of these young kids who are just trying to learn 1.00

01:05:37.000 damn shop. It's traumatic enough without having those things in your face. Uh, and that's no problem 1.00

01:05:42.560 either. And then it progresses, right? And this is where it goes. Now you got, um, a situation where

01:05:48.940 the, the trans women, um, can take the women's medals. All right. They can take the actual bio 0.99

01:05:56.880 biological women's medals and college scholarships. And like, it's sort of, it's like a cycle of abuse

01:06:04.700 in the name of promoting and being tolerant of LGBTQ, whatever.

01:06:09.220 Yeah. The Kayla story, actually two things that really stick out to me is one that person still

01:06:16.540 had a job because there were still students in that class. What parents is letting their kids 0.99

01:06:21.500 go into that class? Like what parent is like, yeah, my kid takes shop with Kayla. Um, I just don't get

01:06:26.380 it. I don't understand how that class wasn't empty all along. Um, and the other thing is, look, I love

01:06:31.420 the New York post. I'm really glad they got the story, but how did no Canadian paper do this over this

01:06:37.240 whole length of time and go investigate her, you know, and say that, um, this is, this is how this

01:06:43.740 person looks during the day. Um, the fact is that they are so ideologically locked in that no paper

01:06:51.640 would risk doing that. They wouldn't risk challenging this person, this obviously insane person. If it's

01:06:57.980 not a troll, um, you know, they're obviously insane and they don't, they don't want to risk 0.97

01:07:03.380 challenging their gender identity. That's crazy. But that is really what the problem is. This forced 0.98

01:07:08.700 conformity all around us that does not allow pointing out that the emperor has no clothes.

01:07:14.680 Oh my God. The emperor has clothes in Canada, but they're far too tight and they reveal way too much.

01:07:20.320 Uh, but speaking of Canada and transgender athletes, um, here's the latest. So this happened in the field

01:07:29.120 of running. There's certain sports that get targeted by the trans community where the biological women 1.00

01:07:33.940 just have to suck it up. That's what they're told. Swimming, running. We've seen it in weightlifting,

01:07:41.500 um, volleyball, a couple of other, like there's a couple of favorite sports. You see, I I've said all

01:07:47.300 along, you know, what needs to happen? Some trans woman, that means biological man who's sort of 0.98

01:07:52.920 acting like a woman posing as a woman needs to enter USTA sports. They, they need to get into 1.00

01:08:00.000 women's professional tennis. They need to crush people like Serena Williams or Coco golf or, you 1.00

01:08:06.420 know, what Naomi Osaka, which they would easily do if they were actually not even pros. You don't even

01:08:12.400 need to be a pro. You could be like the worst guy, uh, trying to get into the pros like at that level

01:08:17.260 and beat any one of those women. That's the advantage men have over women tennis. That's what needs to 1.00

01:08:20.740 happen. Then we'll see where their woke credentials really are. Okay. So anyway,

01:08:24.000 as an aside, so Canadian transgender runner named Tiffany Newell, um, has just one. I want to make

01:08:32.640 sure. Okay. Has just won the 2023 Canadian masters indoor championships in Toronto placed first in the

01:08:40.080 1500 meter in the event for women aged 50 to 54. And this is not Tiffany's first said victory. Look at

01:08:48.760 this. Look at, look at Tiffany's legs. Look at those. Would you look at those quads? I mean, 0.99

01:08:53.460 it's like, that looks like the quads of a professional football player. And they think,

01:08:57.820 honestly, I mean, it's ridiculous. Their defense is, well, her testosterone levels match world 0.93

01:09:04.560 athletics, current transgender athletes policies of being below five, whatever it is, um, her leader.

01:09:12.260 I can't have five M O L, uh, continuously for a period of at least 12 months. And so she, 0.86

01:09:18.240 whatever, Tiffany Newell managed to do that. And Tiffany has repeatedly placed first in women's 1.00

01:09:22.860 events, setting global records for women in her age category in response to calls that they just

01:09:33.220 create an open racing category, you know, where Tiffany could race against trans people or whoever 0.83

01:09:39.060 wants to enter. Tiffany refused. Cause a man could enter away. You know why Tiffany refused?

01:09:44.540 You're not going to believe this quote. I don't feel comfortable racing against men.

01:09:51.900 Hello. Don't say Tiff.

01:09:55.720 Tell us more. You can't make it up. You can't make it up, Bethany.

01:09:58.680 I, this is, I, have you seen Hershey, the latest troll from Hershey, by the way,

01:10:06.040 Hershey chocolate. It's her Hershey. And it's, it's a female, it's a, you know, it's, 1.00

01:10:11.840 it's a transgender male. It's a biological male for women's history or whatever women's month.

01:10:17.600 I mean, this is, this is all it is, is they've decided that the feelings of biological men

01:10:24.200 take precedence over every possible concern that women might have concerns about representation, 0.97

01:10:30.480 concerns about safety, concerns about success. Everything takes precedence. I mean, this is true

01:10:37.440 misogyny that men, the feelings of men are of the utmost importance and, you know, good luck to you,

01:10:46.460 Tiffany, in all of your races. You won't need it. Yeah. I mean, that's it. And if he did compete

01:10:53.380 against other biological men, you would see that he would be like 14th. And that's, I mean, if you

01:10:59.500 look at the times of Leah Thomas, the swimmer, the transgender swimmer, the times that in all of

01:11:06.220 the competitions that he's winning or close to winning, if you then transpose those times into

01:11:12.280 men's swim meets, he doesn't rank. And that's all it comes down to. He gets the fame. He gets the

01:11:17.920 rankings. He gets all the proceeds and all the fame and all the acolytes, not just of winning,

01:11:22.940 but also, you know, being this transgender hero. Why would he compete with men? Yeah.

01:11:29.180 What's the incentive? The Daily Wire has a deeply disturbing report on Leah Thomas's online habits. 0.65

01:11:33.040 Oh my God. Yes. Right. I mean, deeply. This is not, if that's actually the person and they stand by

01:11:37.580 their reporting, Leah Thomas is deeply troubled in ways that we had, we didn't even know. I will say

01:11:43.920 this, Carol, you know, the Vermont Christian school, there's a Vermont Christian school in White

01:11:49.860 River Junction that is fighting back in a way that I think sets a good example. They,

01:11:55.380 their high school basketball team was going into the state tournament. They were the 12th seed.

01:12:01.040 They forfeited their game against the number fifth, number five seed, Long Trail, because they,

01:12:05.720 the Christian school, did not believe that it was fair or safe to force their players to place,

01:12:10.900 to play against a team, against this basketball that had biological boys on it,

01:12:15.860 that had biological, saying that they were trans girls and they did nothing that was safe or

01:12:21.020 appropriate or fair for their girls. So they pulled their team this, despite Vermont law that allows

01:12:28.080 trans students to play. It's always the boys who want to play on the girls team. It's never the girls 1.00

01:12:32.800 who want to play on the boys team. Right. So that, that allows it under law. So good for this Christian 0.99

01:12:37.040 school for just saying, you know what? Well, they didn't say that because they're Christian,

01:12:40.640 but they're out. That's the way to handle it. Yes. Yeah. No, absolutely. Nobody should be

01:12:45.740 competing against biological males. If they're a female, it is just, it's an obvious risk to the 1.00

01:12:51.460 woman. Um, and it's just, it's just wrong. It doesn't matter how much testosterone you have.

01:12:56.380 Your body is built a certain way. If you're a man and it's built a certain way, if you're a woman 0.99

01:13:00.520 and it doesn't, nobody cares what you consider yourself. It's irrelevant here. Your body forms the way

01:13:05.940 it forms, despite how you consider yourself. And you know, what I always like to say about this is

01:13:10.600 the patriarchy always wins. It's like right now, women's sports is like going to be eradicated 1.00

01:13:15.000 because this is how it goes, right? Patriarchy always wins. Yeah. And guess what? Tiffany Newell, 1.00

01:13:21.000 Tiffany Newell, just to add, did not begin Tiffany's transition from, from male to female

01:13:26.740 until 2017. And Tiffany's 50 now. So Tiffany was in Tiffany's late forties. That's why the legs look

01:13:34.720 like the legs of a football player that absolutely none of the genetic advantages other than the

01:13:40.920 testosterone, which is not the be all end all have been undone. Absolutely none. So Tiffany's going to

01:13:46.360 go on breaking all the records in every sport. Uh, and there are other Tiffany's like in the

01:13:51.220 basketball game that would actually pose a potential physical risk for the biological girls playing 1.00

01:13:57.300 against her, Bethany. Yeah, no, absolutely. This, when I was in middle school, um, we scrimmaged against

01:14:04.040 the boys soccer team that were several years younger than us. And I got a soccer ball to the

01:14:09.240 face and I went down, I was unconscious. I had a full concussion. I wasn't allowed to play soccer

01:14:14.320 ever again. And my school made a policy that the girls and boys teams, no matter if there was an age

01:14:19.240 differential or not, we're never allowed to scrimmage together again, because that happened to me.

01:14:23.520 And now kind of wondering, and anyone from my hometown state, New York, you know where you are.

01:14:28.240 I'm curious what the policy is now, if it's changed, uh, to say, you know, whoever wants to

01:14:33.940 play on the girls team, whoever wants to play on the boy team, I didn't grow up in a blue area,

01:14:38.360 but I grew up in New York state. Um, and they have to follow these laws. But I mean, I think a lot of,

01:14:44.640 a lot of the conversation rightfully is about fairness when it comes to women's sports. Um, but

01:14:50.020 there's this whole other aspect of just pure safety, um, that, you know, in so many ways in the

01:14:56.700 locker room, you know, the Leah Thomas stuff, obviously people should go look up the daily

01:15:01.180 wire story. Cause it is very shocking. Um, there is a safety element in these locker rooms. Um,

01:15:07.580 but there's a safety element on the field as well, uh, that people just, you know, in, in the service

01:15:13.920 of this transgender ideology and this sort of radical woke re-imagining of what it means to be a

01:15:19.860 woman, we are endangering women in so many different ways. Um, and I know, I'm not sure we're going to

01:15:26.160 see the results of how we're endangering women until girls now sort of start to grow up and,

01:15:31.820 you know, we'll see the results to speak out because you've got, if Leah Thomas of the daily

01:15:37.360 wires reporting on Leah Thomas is true, she's into, I think it's auto-gynophilia where,

01:15:41.720 where Leah gets off on wearing women's clothing. Like it's a sexual stimulant to Leah. And so they've

01:15:48.660 taken this person and popped him into a women's locker room and all the other women who feel odd. 0.91

01:15:55.040 Gee, I wonder what vibe Leah's giving off that makes them feel a little uncomfortable have been

01:16:00.240 told to go get therapy. If they can't deal with it, you must lose your metal and say, thank you.

01:16:05.640 And if Leah's given off a weird sexual vibe or like some sort of enjoyment in the locker room,

01:16:10.980 which no straight non-trans woman ever feels from another woman. Uh, if you're feeling that as a

01:16:16.620 biological woman, shut up, shut up and get therapy. Okay. So that's, so this leads me to on the, 1.00

01:16:22.060 on the violence front though. Remember this story from October, 2022, where the volleyball player,

01:16:26.460 they did not do what the Christian school just did in Vermont. They let their volleyball team,

01:16:32.680 um, from, okay. The, the, it was the, there was the one team from Hawassi Dam high school

01:16:38.760 in North Carolina, and it was playing the Highlands high school in North Carolina. And there was a

01:16:45.480 transgender athlete, transgender girl on the Highlands high school team who spiked the ball

01:16:52.420 in the face of a girl from Hawassi. And the girl from Hawassi Dam high school reportedly suffered

01:16:59.100 head and neck injuries in what was clearly a brutal situation. If you can watch it, the girls on the,

01:17:05.840 yeah. Okay. Watch. We highlighted it. Watch. She's going to spike it. 0.99

01:17:08.140 Oh my God. The girl goes down. It goes right in her face and she suffered head and neck injuries. 0.99

01:17:19.020 That's not like, Oh, I hurt an ankle, which would be bad enough.

01:17:23.600 Yeah. Why should women hurt anything? Yeah. No, I mean the concussion that I got as a result of that 1.00

01:17:29.200 soccer team, that's Bokker game. I was told I can never play soccer again. That was it was,

01:17:34.180 I was unconscious and they were, I woke up and they were deciding if they should call an ambulance or

01:17:39.280 if it would be faster to bring me in like literally the flatbed of somebody's truck.

01:17:44.140 It's dangerous. There's a reason why we've made girls sports. It's not safe. And, you know, 1.00

01:17:52.320 physically when it comes to this, but also, you know, sexuality, one of the things that we never

01:17:56.920 talk about, and I think I've talked about it on your show also, is that we're telling girls to

01:18:00.740 silence this internal alarm when they're in a sock, when they're in a locker room with a biological

01:18:05.960 male. And we're teaching girls with developing brains that got internal alarm, that it's faulty 0.85

01:18:11.580 and it makes them into a bigot. Um, but I mean, I remember when I scrimmaged against the team and

01:18:17.780 they all lined up and they're these like big guys, even though they're, they were technically younger

01:18:22.340 than us. I was scared. And I kind of felt like I was a wimp in that moment. And then when I woke up

01:18:27.840 after being rendered unconscious, I was like, Oh, maybe that was so empty.

01:18:31.960 I should have listened to that. We were, we were allowed to look at the men's big biceps and big

01:18:36.520 quads and big shoulders and feel a sexual attraction and a desire to be desired by them

01:18:42.500 and not have to worry about them taking our medals and competing against us in our sport. What

01:18:46.960 yeah, right. Totally different story. Carol, I'll give you the last word.

01:18:54.780 Yeah. I think that the, you know, the message always has to be, you have to stand up against

01:18:59.540 this kind of thing. You cannot roll over and let these people win. This is not a popular thing.

01:19:04.700 Nobody thinks that biological men should be playing with women. I mean, a very small percentage think

01:19:09.400 that, um, it's undoing, you know, decades of feminism and, and, and all the work that the 1.00

01:19:15.980 people on the left said that they wanted to see happen. Um, you know, if you're a woman's studies

01:19:20.840 major and you're not sure what a woman is, that's woke and we need to fight that. 1.00

01:19:26.060 Carol Markowitz, Bethany Mandel. Thank you for fighting the good fight. Always great to talk to you.

01:19:30.840 Thank you so much. Thank you. And the audience should know they have a book out next week

01:19:34.960 on this topic. It's called stolen youth, how radicals are erasing innocence and indoctrinating

01:19:42.140 a generation. Oh, it's so true. You know, it's true. Uh, so they've done the research,

01:19:47.500 they've done the investigation and they've got a lot of thoughts to get you up to speed

01:19:50.100 on what's happening. Coming up, we're going to bring you the latest developments in the Murdoch trial.

01:19:55.780 The defense gave its closing argument this morning. That's just ended. And now the prosecution

01:20:01.980 is doing its rebuttal. And guess what? A juror got bounced. That's next.

01:20:10.980 Alec Murdoch's lawyers made their closing argument today to the jury who will soon have to decide

01:20:17.780 Murdoch's fate. They should, they're probably going to get the case today and begin deliberations.

01:20:21.940 Uh, prosecution now doing its rebuttal. The prosecution always gets the last bite at the

01:20:25.760 apple usually, uh, because they have the burden of proof. And so that's fair in his closing argument,

01:20:31.120 defense attorney, Jim Griffin, who's been with Murdoch for years questioned whether prosecutors

01:20:36.620 have proven beyond a reasonable doubt, the highest possible standard why we have in our criminal cases,

01:20:41.720 we're talking about a man's freedom that Murdoch quote, butchered his wife, Maggie and his 22 year

01:20:47.260 old son, Paul, without leaving behind a trace of his own DNA evidence all within a matter of minutes.

01:20:54.460 And in another shocking development, another juror has been nixed from the panel today,

01:21:00.960 but for probably the most interesting reasons yet. Joining me now, Peter Tragos, a partner of a law

01:21:05.700 firm in Florida. He's been covering the trial on his YouTube show called the lawyer, you know,

01:21:10.620 so Peter, the, the juror getting bounced is fascinating to me. Turns out we had Eric Blandon,

01:21:16.180 who's representing a party in the case that sued Alec Murdoch successfully for stealing a settlement

01:21:22.100 that he got for their, for his clients. Now we find out that he reported that one of the jurors

01:21:29.340 was likely to be balanced and sure enough, one was. What happened? So yeah, the juror was nixed

01:21:33.320 because she was talking to multiple people about it, even though the judge instructs the jury

01:21:36.900 every day when they show up and before every day when they leave, don't talk to anybody about the

01:21:41.380 case because we have been doing this for now six weeks and we don't want to waste our time and have

01:21:46.660 to do it all over again because jurors are breaking the rules. So I think it's important. I think

01:21:49.700 the judge did the right thing by letting her go. Shame on her. Shame on her. She definitely knew 0.81

01:21:55.020 better and just thought the rules didn't apply to her. And I'm glad she got bounced and it doesn't,

01:21:59.480 it's not because she appears to have been defense oriented. Um, she had no place on that jury if she 0.97

01:22:04.100 was going to be that much of a, of a rule breaker. I think there's a good chance she may go talk to

01:22:09.800 somebody else after this, uh, after she walks out of the courtroom though. Oh God. Oh wait,

01:22:14.400 would there be a prohibition on that? The judge said, um, while we don't encourage you to talk

01:22:19.820 to anybody about the case, it's not prohibited. Oh my, all right. Forget everything I just said.

01:22:24.800 We're going to book her. Um, well, we'll know soon enough from the actual jury. Um, they,

01:22:33.040 they had two alternates. They had to sub one in. So there's one more alternate remaining. They can

01:22:37.500 afford to lose one more of the jurors. Things happen. We don't know how long the deliberations will go

01:22:42.280 on. Um, if they do, if they, if they had to replace yet another juror and now they have no

01:22:49.420 alternates and for some reason they have a problem with somebody on the remaining and last 12, what

01:22:55.500 happens? So if they go below the 12, the only way that they'd be allowed to deliberate and come to a

01:23:02.060 verdict is if both sides agree to it and waive the requirement of 12 jurors. My guess is the defense

01:23:08.640 would not do that. That could be a mistrial. Um, and we'd have to do this thing all over again.

01:23:13.860 If the state wants to bring the trial and try to prove these charges yet again, before a jury of 12.

01:23:19.980 My goodness. All right. So we've pulled a couple of soundbites. We've been playing some of the

01:23:23.380 prosecutions, closing our argument over the past couple of days. Now here's the defense,

01:23:26.580 John Griffith, Griffin, right? Griffin. Um, Jimmy G. Jim. Thank you, Jim. Um, I want the second

01:23:33.780 soundbite team, the one about, uh, there's zero evidence to prove he did it. Listen,

01:23:38.640 ladies and gentlemen, I submit the verdict has to be not guilty because there's no reason for him

01:23:46.780 to do it. No reason whatsoever. Now you've heard a lot of testimony about these financial crimes,

01:23:55.640 misdeeds, and, and he told you he did it. He told you he did it to support a very expensive drug

01:24:02.100 habit and none of that's an excuse, but he is an addict and addiction is real and addicts lie,

01:24:07.840 addicts cheat, addicts, addicts steal to keep getting their drug.

01:24:19.500 The evidence was permitted in this case for you to hear solely to consider

01:24:25.100 did he murder his wife and son because he had this storm of coming that he was going to be exposed?

01:24:37.160 Is that why he murdered? That's what they said. That's why he murdered. And that's why you're

01:24:41.740 allowed to consider that there was no impending financial doom on June 7th. June 7th was a day

01:24:47.240 which frankly was no different than any other day in the frenetic, frenetic lifestyle of Alec Murdoch.

01:24:54.780 Hmm. What'd you make of that, Peter?

01:24:57.400 Yeah. I mean, I think Jim Griffin focused on the why and the how, um, and which was most of their

01:25:04.200 case. You know, they had a great relationship. Paul was the apple of his eye. Maggie and him were in

01:25:07.840 love. Um, and I think that the why, why would he do this to the people he loved the most?

01:25:13.900 Literally the people that if you want to say he was stealing money, he would be stealing money to

01:25:17.820 buy things for, as I think some of the evidence has shown Maggie loved the beach house. He bought

01:25:22.460 the guns for the boys. And I think that to say he committed murder in order to cover up financial

01:25:28.280 crimes or just delay a storm that was coming is pretty hard to believe, especially in the manner

01:25:33.620 that they were murdered. And I think that's where a lot of the defense's focus was, um, as well as

01:25:39.100 how he could possibly have done it and covered it up in just minutes. And then of course they picked

01:25:43.440 sled apart, um, and how horrible the investigation was throughout. But I think this was part of the

01:25:47.940 why, why did he do it? We heard a lot about financial crimes, but we didn't hear much about

01:25:52.600 why they would actually commit the murders in the way that he's accused of doing in this case.

01:25:58.460 Yeah, that's the problem. They did prove he was in a financial meltdown, I think.

01:26:01.840 Oh yeah.

01:26:02.220 And panic. And, you know, Alec tried to rebut that somewhat, but I think they did a great job

01:26:06.060 proving just how, how hot it was getting for him on his financial crimes. But then saying,

01:26:11.340 well, that's the motive to kill your wife and your son who by all accounts you did love. It's not 0.99

01:26:16.720 like they had a terrible family relationship. That's a tough thing to sell to a jury, even though

01:26:22.840 the, the timeline, the GPS, the phone records, Alec Murdoch's lies about where he was on the

01:26:29.240 night in question, including within three or four minutes of the murders taking place. All that I

01:26:33.540 think would lead any reasonable juror to say, yeah, there's enough proof, but here's a little color.

01:26:37.980 So the prosecutor, uh, it's not the lead prosecutor, but, uh, it's John Metters. He did the rebuttal

01:26:43.480 after the defense sat down and said to the jurors, a couple of things that I'm just going to highlight.

01:26:48.580 Uh, lead defense attorney, Dick Harputlian is a smokescreen machine. Then he says to your,

01:26:53.660 your comment about, uh, South Carolina law enforcement. I'm offended. He says that the

01:26:58.360 defense is claiming law enforcement didn't do their job while he, Alec Murdoch is withholding and

01:27:02.540 obstructing justice by not just telling us I was down at the kennels. Yes. I was there within four

01:27:07.780 minutes of the murder, three or four minutes of the murders, something he kept to himself until

01:27:12.280 he got caught until witness after witness said, I hear his voice on that tape, his own son. If he

01:27:16.580 goes down for this, his own son fingered him, his own son caught his own murderer by taking that video,

01:27:24.140 which Alec didn't know. They didn't find out until I think it was October of 22, uh, that the son even

01:27:29.880 had the video on his phone because it was locked. They couldn't get into the phone. Alec told his

01:27:33.980 whole story, not knowing it existed. And it wasn't until he found out it did that he was forced on

01:27:38.960 the stand to change his testimony. Prosecutor again, rebuttal saying this case is about being real,

01:27:45.120 always be real. The case is about that. And the defendant is never real. We don't have to prove

01:27:51.580 motive. I think it's been proven his world was collapsing, but he says, we don't have to prove

01:27:58.060 motive. That's a little weak there, Peter. When the prosecutors up there, like we don't even need

01:28:02.420 to prove motive. Well, I mean, like it's true, but it doesn't really telegraph that you feel

01:28:07.820 strongly about your evidence. I heard way too much. Uh, maybe he did it like this. Maybe he did it

01:28:14.700 like that. I don't know. He was the only one there. Maybe it was when he was putting one gun down and

01:28:18.980 picking another one up. This is possible. It could have been like this. I heard way too much of that for

01:28:23.560 my liking in a prosecution's closing and rebuttal. And what you just said is exactly right. They know

01:28:29.080 that it's a shaky motive. So they want to make sure that if a juror doesn't buy the motive,

01:28:33.040 they can still convict because motive is not a part of the crime that they have to find beyond

01:28:37.740 a reasonable doubt. Even though I think Jim Griffin said that it was, um, and that's a tough line to

01:28:42.500 walk if you're the prosecutor, because you've taken so much time trying to prove motive and now to

01:28:47.460 backtrack a little bit and say, well, you know, we don't have to prove motive. And I think

01:28:52.660 like, what do we spend all those days doing it for? Yeah. I mean, I think that's really

01:28:56.800 important. And jurors usually want a motive. Like all the research shows a jury wants a motive.

01:29:02.900 And Creighton Waters in his prosecution, uh, closing framed it. The whole thing,

01:29:07.800 the outline of the, of the closing was motive means opportunity. And so he spent hours on motive

01:29:15.960 just in the closing. So it's not even like he put it into evidence and then later decided to abandon

01:29:19.780 it. He really wants the jury to believe there was a motive. You can question whether he should

01:29:24.160 have just said who could understand why a double murderer does what he does. Who could possibly get

01:29:29.820 their arms around why a man would murder the wife and son he purportedly loved. We don't have to

01:29:34.640 spend a lot of time on that. How can we know we're rational human beings? That's why we're not on trial

01:29:38.260 for double murder. But what we do need to prove is that he did it. Here we go. Right. And then you,

01:29:43.980 maybe, maybe that would have been a smarter move for him. Here is, um, prosecutor matters

01:29:48.560 on the rebuttal, again, trying to clean up what the defense did and said in their closing moments ago.

01:29:56.600 They're putting these law enforcement on trial, talking about blood evidence,

01:30:01.620 talking about other things that were presented to the brain jury, which

01:30:04.280 that blood evidence was investigated and the state didn't offer it.

01:30:11.780 That's what you do in your prosecution. Didn't try to offer it. Now they're trying to put us on trial

01:30:19.700 for doing our job. Think about that. Blame everybody else. They looked into this and it

01:30:27.280 didn't turn out to be. So now we're gonna blame them. Blame everybody else. He's doing a good job of

01:30:33.820 keeping the jury awake, which apparently yesterday, I don't know about the jurors, but there were reports

01:30:37.780 that counsel at both the prosecution and the defense table were sleeping during the prosecution's

01:30:44.220 original closing argument. But this is the different prosecutor doing the rebuttal and he's fiery.

01:30:50.620 Oh yeah. He's got, he's got a lot more fire to him than, than Jim Griffin or Creighton waters.

01:30:55.620 Really? I mean, I think Harpoulian is the more fiery defense attorney at the table, but he seemed like it

01:31:00.580 was a lot for a guy of his age, maybe to get up there and do this, a long closing argument after six

01:31:05.300 weeks of testimony. He wanted to split it up. Judge didn't let him. But I think Meadows or

01:31:09.520 Meadows' problem is I would look at it and say, as someone who's a lawyer in our country, in this

01:31:15.620 criminal justice system, I am nervous that if they can do this bad of an investigation and law

01:31:20.740 enforcement can do this little gathering and testing of evidence and convict somebody of a

01:31:25.660 double murder. I'm a little bit scared of that as a lawyer who our country is supposed to be

01:31:30.960 protected by laws and our criminal defendants and accused are supposed to be protected by the

01:31:35.560 presumption of innocence. And it is your job as the prosecutor and the investigators to gather the

01:31:40.820 evidence and prove that he did it. So them being offended that somebody is picking apart a terrible

01:31:45.880 investigation is bad lawyering to me. We don't, we don't have much time, but can you just take

01:31:50.320 off a couple of their worst failures? So the audiences, they know what you're talking about.

01:31:54.220 They didn't take fingerprints. They didn't test the footprints. They didn't test the clothes

01:31:58.260 on either of the victims. They never searched the house in Alameda, which he said from the jump

01:32:03.360 was his alibi and where he went. And really the only place he could have hidden the murder weapons

01:32:08.440 or the clothes that now we know he was wearing potentially at the time, because it wasn't the

01:32:12.580 clothes that they did test. They didn't even search the property at Moselle, where he took

01:32:16.340 apparently 280 steps. That's not that big of a radius to search. Where did he hide the clothes and

01:32:22.540 the murder weapons? That's good. I think I appreciate the reminder, you know, because we've had a lot of

01:32:28.260 lawyers on who are more prosecution oriented and, you know, aligned against Alex Murdoch,

01:32:33.140 Alec. And it's good to be reminded that this is not a slam dunk. This case could go either way. So

01:32:38.620 now the rebuttal has ended. That means I think that we're going to get jury instructions and then

01:32:46.360 the jury will be given the case. They'll be given the verdict form. They'll go behind closed doors

01:32:50.280 and just those 12, not the alternate, just those 12 will begin their deliberate, their

01:32:54.660 deliberations in one of the most sacrosanct proceedings we have in American jurisprudence

01:32:59.820 determining the fate of this man and whether he will be put behind bars for the remainder of his

01:33:06.260 life for murdering those reportedly dearest to him. Wow. Peter, thank you. We'll have you back.

01:33:13.240 And we are on verdict watch. Believe me, if we have it between now and tomorrow,

01:33:17.360 we'll cover it for you. We'll see you then. Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. 0.77

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