The Megyn Kelly Show - Don Lemon Returns to CNN with His “Liberal Privilege,” How We Can Increase Longevity, with Dr. Mark Hyman, Britt Mayer, and Carrie Prejean Boller

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:33.140 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.140 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.780 Lots to get to today as Don Lamont returns to CNN without apologizing on air.

00:00:52.060 That's brave.

00:00:53.180 And the censoring of Willy Wonka. How dare they?

00:00:56.740 How dare they touch that sacred text?

00:01:00.300 We'll get to it all as well as today's headlines in just a bit.

00:01:03.620 But my first guest today says he has unlocked the secret to defying the aging process.

00:01:11.300 How'd you like to be in your 50s, but biologically be more like someone in their 30s?

00:01:18.200 It's possible.

00:01:19.260 Dr. Mark Hyman says that while he is physically 63 years old, biologically, he's only 43.

00:01:27.060 He says he has the blueprint on how we can all feel the same, much, much younger than we are

00:01:32.360 chronologically, and he is here to share that secret.

00:01:36.080 His new book is Young Forever.

00:01:38.600 It's a good title, right?

00:01:39.720 Young Forever, The Secrets to Living Your Longest, Healthiest Life.

00:01:44.980 Welcome to the show, Dr. Mark Hyman.

00:01:47.420 Great to see you again.

00:01:48.780 Good to see you too again, Megan.

00:01:50.520 How's it going?

00:01:51.560 Oh, it's a pleasure.

00:01:52.480 It's going great.

00:01:54.140 All right.

00:01:54.540 So this is Young Forever.

00:01:55.920 I mean, who doesn't want that?

00:01:57.900 Absolutely.

00:01:58.120 And I love listening to your stories because you're not contending that we're not going

00:02:03.120 to age chronologically.

00:02:04.340 That's going to happen.

00:02:05.640 But that not only can we feel younger, that's something we've been told for years.

00:02:09.780 We can not only feel, we can kind of get younger on the inside when it comes to our health and

00:02:16.480 our likely longevity and the wellness that we can expect of ourselves as we age.

00:02:21.540 So explain that.

00:02:23.060 That's right.

00:02:23.480 It's not just about more years to your life.

00:02:25.380 It's more of life in your years.

00:02:26.620 And the key is to understand that for the first time, we have the ability to measure our

00:02:32.200 biological age, which we never had before.

00:02:34.000 So we can see, based on what we're doing, our lifestyle, our habits, whatever we're

00:02:38.920 doing, how that affects our biological age.

00:02:41.280 And the truth is, most of us have come to expect disease, frailty, disability, dysfunction,

00:02:48.180 and decrepitude as sort of the normal consequences of getting older.

00:02:51.960 But they're not.

00:02:53.220 It turns out the science is very clear that there are actually dysfunctions that are a disease

00:02:59.080 process that can be treated, reversed.

00:03:01.460 And that's the whole point of my book, Young Forever, is to unlock this new science of

00:03:05.840 longevity and teach people how, with very simple, affordable practices, they can reverse

00:03:11.020 their biological clock, even as they get chronologically older.

00:03:15.100 All right.

00:03:15.620 And I want to tell people, I should have mentioned this up top, you went to Cornell undergrad,

00:03:20.180 you went to University of Ottawa, faculty of medicine there, you're a practicing family

00:03:24.440 physician, you're MD, 14-time New York-time bestseller, and also the head of strategy and

00:03:28.320 innovation at the Cleveland Clinic Center for Functional Medicine.

00:03:31.100 That's what we're talking about, functional medicine.

00:03:33.060 That's what your specialty is.

00:03:34.420 So you know of what you speak.

00:03:37.100 Decrepitude is a hilarious word for the aging process.

00:03:41.820 Yeah, it kind of gets the point home, you know?

00:03:43.820 I mean, you look around, you go, well, nobody wants to be 100 years old, because by the time

00:03:47.660 you get to be 100, you're like, you know, barely can get out.

00:03:50.020 Maybe you're in a nursing home, you're frail.

00:03:52.340 I saw a guy on a horse who's 100 years old, riding around in Costa Rica.

00:03:56.040 That's impressive, you know, because he's one of the blue zones where they naturally incorporate

00:03:59.520 the habits of how to live a long time just by default.

00:04:02.660 I mean, we need to learn from them, and we need to incorporate some of the more

00:04:06.100 incredible advances in longevity science, but we can actually reverse our biological clock

00:04:11.180 and stay vital and fit as we get older.

00:04:13.360 And I know at 63, I'm way more fit and stronger and capable than I was when I was 30.

00:04:18.620 And it's really remarkable to see how by applying this longevity science, we can literally turn

00:04:23.780 back our clocks and add a lot of value to our lives because most of us walk around feeling

00:04:29.440 like crap.

00:04:30.160 You know, we have retired, we're sluggish, we can't sleep great, we have digestive issues,

00:04:33.820 joint pains, we have headaches, congestion, who knows what.

00:04:36.500 And I call it FLC syndrome.

00:04:37.920 That's when you feel like crap.

00:04:39.340 And we come to expect that as normal.

00:04:41.360 Oh, I used to be able to do this, but I can't do that.

00:04:43.700 Nonsense.

00:04:44.200 We actually know if we know how to regulate our biology, how to turn back the clock and use

00:04:50.200 the advances in longevity science to heal what we call the hallmarks of aging.

00:04:53.700 And we can talk about that.

00:04:54.500 But it's basically all this shit that goes wrong.

00:04:56.560 Can I say that right now?

00:04:58.160 Yeah, you can.

00:04:58.340 All this shit that goes wrong that actually is not a normal part of aging.

00:05:03.380 It's abnormal aging.

00:05:04.820 And we all are going to get older.

00:05:06.460 We're all going to get, you know, progressively older.

00:05:10.240 But we don't have to be in that category of people who end up with the last 20% of their

00:05:15.520 lives in poor health.

00:05:17.080 We can feel good up until the end and then go.

00:05:19.200 Like, you know, I've seen many people with like lift you a hundred and then they just

00:05:22.620 kind of go to bed and that's it.

00:05:23.800 That's kind of how we should go.

00:05:25.500 Yes, that's that's what we all want.

00:05:26.880 That's the dream.

00:05:27.500 We're going to get to the blue zones, too, in a minute.

00:05:29.240 But let's just start with a couple of things that you said.

00:05:32.960 How do we check?

00:05:34.260 So because there is a thing you can check.

00:05:36.300 You said in the book, either a blood test or maybe even a saliva test.

00:05:40.140 Yeah.

00:05:40.480 So that anyone can get to figure out how old you are right now on the inside.

00:05:45.360 That's right.

00:05:45.860 I mean, you know, we have this amazing ability to reprogram our genes.

00:05:52.780 People don't realize that, but we can actually measure the rate at which our genes are aging

00:05:59.000 in a sense.

00:05:59.660 There's this program called the epigenetic program, which is regulating how our genes are

00:06:05.280 expressed or regulated.

00:06:06.660 And so our genes aren't fixed.

00:06:07.960 We can't change those.

00:06:08.900 But the way they're expressed is influenced by what we eat and exercise, how we think,

00:06:13.360 environmental toxins, our nutritional status, our microbiome.

00:06:15.940 All these things wash over our genes and regulate the epigenome, which is modifiable.

00:06:23.440 So the keyboards on a piano are 88 keys.

00:06:27.300 You can't change that.

00:06:28.280 Same thing with your genes.

00:06:29.080 You've got 20,000 genes.

00:06:30.100 You can't change that.

00:06:31.120 But the piano player can play classical, ragtime, jazz, rock, reggae, whatever.

00:06:35.240 And that is the epigenome.

00:06:37.020 The epigenome can be changed.

00:06:39.280 And so the new tests are measuring the rate of your biological aging through your epigenetic

00:06:46.920 marks on your genes.

00:06:49.080 And that changes over time.

00:06:51.260 In one study, they reversed the biological age of the participants by eating a healthy

00:06:55.200 diet and some simple lifestyle practices using a functional medicine framework.

00:06:59.640 In eight weeks, they reversed their biological age by three years using this diagnostic metric.

00:07:04.600 Now, is this telomeres?

00:07:07.660 Is this what they're testing for?

00:07:08.400 No, it's not telomeres.

00:07:09.240 It's called DNA methylation.

00:07:11.000 It's basically, telomeres also are measured, and that's another way of looking at your rate

00:07:15.540 of aging.

00:07:16.240 There are many other ways.

00:07:17.580 But this is a really important way because it's really powerful to see what's happening

00:07:23.080 to the epigenome, which is a regulator of aging.

00:07:25.520 And so it's measuring what we call DNA methylation.

00:07:28.200 It's basically little marks on your DNA with a carbon and three hydrogens that is a signal

00:07:34.060 to turn on or off this gene or regulate this pathway.

00:07:37.880 And that's exactly what we can influence by what we eat, by how we exercise, by our thoughts

00:07:44.260 and belief systems, by our social connections, by reducing our exposure to toxins.

00:07:50.160 All these things help to optimize our epigenome.

00:07:53.400 So do you go to the doctor, your primary care physician, and say, I want to check my epigenome?

00:07:59.640 Or how do you test for this?

00:08:00.940 You could.

00:08:02.000 You could.

00:08:02.440 They might look at you cross-eyed because it takes about 20 years for scientific advances

00:08:06.220 to end up in the clinic.

00:08:07.400 But you can go online, literally order a home test.

00:08:10.640 There's a number of labs out there.

00:08:12.080 I don't have any affiliation with them.

00:08:13.800 But one is called True Diagnostic that provides a whole comprehensive set of age-related tests and

00:08:20.300 diagnostics.

00:08:20.940 There's other labs that do it.

00:08:22.480 And I think there's an emerging science.

00:08:24.480 So we're constantly refining and improving the diagnostics.

00:08:27.060 But it's something you can do.

00:08:28.500 It's not terribly expensive.

00:08:30.260 It's probably $300, $200, between $200 to $500 for the testing.

00:08:34.600 And then you can see, oh, where am I at?

00:08:36.900 And if you're like 60 and it shows up 40, awesome.

00:08:39.860 If you're 60 and it shows up 70, it's time to get to work.

00:08:43.320 Keep reading.

00:08:43.920 Change your lifestyle.

00:08:45.180 Wait, and just to be perfectly clear, so for the audience, what should they Google to find

00:08:49.100 these tests?

00:08:49.520 Should they Google epigenome and then the name of that lab?

00:08:52.240 Yeah, they can go DNA methylation testing.

00:08:54.740 One of the labs is True Diagnostic that I use, but there's others.

00:08:58.180 Yeah.

00:08:58.440 DNA methylation epigenetic testing.

00:09:01.180 I don't know.

00:09:01.580 You'll find it.

00:09:02.240 Biological age testing.

00:09:04.900 If you could reduce your age, your biological age by three years and eight weeks, does that

00:09:10.620 mean in two years of living well?

00:09:13.860 Can you go back to zero?

00:09:15.140 Yeah.

00:09:15.660 Like how?

00:09:16.120 I mean, could I be like sweet 16 again?

00:09:17.860 How low could we go?

00:09:19.420 That's a great question.

00:09:20.400 I don't know.

00:09:21.060 We don't know.

00:09:21.580 We haven't tested and figured it out yet.

00:09:23.520 I think it's very reasonable to expect you can get a 10 or 20 year reversal.

00:09:29.220 You know, obviously you're older.

00:09:30.220 If you're 20, you're not going to get a 20 year reversal.

00:09:32.380 But you can actually start to see these metrics change.

00:09:35.780 And we're learning all the time about how far we can go.

00:09:38.080 So I'm curious if I can get to 25.

00:09:40.440 I'm applying all these new strategies that I wrote about in my book, Young Forever, about

00:09:44.640 how to reverse my biological age.

00:09:46.340 I'm 63, but biologically 43.

00:09:48.540 But I've been living a healthy lifestyle most of my life.

00:09:50.760 So even though I've had some health issues, I've been able to actually keep my body working

00:09:54.900 pretty well.

00:09:55.860 So I think, I don't know is the answer to the question, but I think we'll find out soon

00:10:01.160 enough and I think what's even more kind of sci-fi I talk about in the book is new discoveries

00:10:07.520 that allow us to reprogram our genes and our cells to a younger you.

00:10:14.160 So maybe there's at some point in 10, 15 years where you'll be able to take some factor externally

00:10:20.920 that will reactivate or return on these transcription factors called Yamanaka factors that have been

00:10:28.320 implanted in you externally and they can actually reverse your genes.

00:10:32.500 So let's say you're 50 and you have arthritis, your skin's a little wrinkled, your hair's a

00:10:36.420 little gray, your metabolism's bad, your muscles are kind of wasting.

00:10:40.720 You can turn on this switch and turn back the clock to 25.

00:10:44.540 Now that's kind of happening in animal studies right now.

00:10:47.800 It's not in human studies, but it's really wild.

00:10:50.360 For example, they're taking blind mice and actually programming their cells to a younger

00:10:57.600 version that actually regains their sight.

00:11:00.620 So that kind of is mind-blowing, but that's not available right now, but it's kind of talks

00:11:05.720 about the potential we have to literally turn on these ancient healing systems in our body.

00:11:10.760 See, that's the whole thing, Megan, that's so remarkable about the science.

00:11:14.080 For so many years, we've been treating disease and we're going down the wrong path.

00:11:17.120 We need to be discovering what creates health and the body has its own-

00:11:20.960 Wait, and let me stop you there.

00:11:21.300 Let me stop you there because I love this piece of your book.

00:11:23.060 This was an aha moment for me.

00:11:24.700 And by the way, just to remind people, this guy's at the Cleveland Clinic.

00:11:27.020 This is not some lunatic out there who's like, no, you can reverse aging.

00:11:31.480 This is real.

00:11:32.200 That's what's so exciting.

00:11:32.740 I'm a little bit of a lunatic, but-

00:11:34.260 No, you're not a lunatic.

00:11:35.260 You're a very well-respected doctor, work with the Clinton Foundation, all this stuff.

00:11:38.380 So that's why you're exciting because you're real and this actually could help a lot of

00:11:42.220 people.

00:11:42.820 But when I was listening, because I'd listened to the audio, you talk about, okay, maybe

00:11:49.540 you're not obese.

00:11:51.300 Maybe you don't smoke.

00:11:52.180 You're feeling good about yourself.

00:11:53.380 That's me.

00:11:53.860 I'm like, okay, I'm healthy.

00:11:55.300 I don't smoke and I'm not obese.

00:11:57.040 And I know those are two huge problems when it comes to healthcare.

00:12:00.960 You're aging.

00:12:02.500 Age is like disease.

00:12:04.880 Getting older is your biggest risk factor for cancer, for a heart attack, for all the

00:12:09.900 things.

00:12:10.160 I'm like, oh crap, I'm aging right now.

00:12:12.300 I am doing the thing he says I shouldn't be doing right at this second.

00:12:15.620 Oh my God, there I go again.

00:12:16.960 And everybody's doing that.

00:12:18.140 And so that's where your book comes in.

00:12:19.760 What if you didn't have to?

00:12:22.100 What if you could be as aggressive in that lane as you are about not smoking, as you are

00:12:26.460 about not getting overweight?

00:12:29.860 Absolutely.

00:12:30.660 I mean, that's the whole key is that a 35-year-old smoker has a far lower risk of cancer than a

00:12:37.720 seven-year-old non-smoker.

00:12:38.900 And that's because of these hallmarks of aging, these fundamental biological systems that go

00:12:44.940 awry and start to malfunction that we can influence.

00:12:48.720 And for years, we thought that these things that happen to us as we get older, these chronic

00:12:53.280 disease of aging were inevitable, heart disease, diabetes, dementia, cancer.

00:12:57.300 But they're really just downstream from these processes that get screwed up by our lifestyle

00:13:05.140 primarily that we can influence and that will literally reprogram us to a younger you.

00:13:10.040 So the key to understand these hallmarks is that they underlie all disease.

00:13:16.320 So if we cured heart disease and cancer from the face of the planet, we might see seven years

00:13:20.760 of life extension, which is good, but not super impressive.

00:13:24.440 If we fixed all these hallmarks of aging, we might see 30 or 40 years of life extension.

00:13:30.220 That means living to be 120 years old.

00:13:33.140 So that's the key is to work upstream to the diseases and not be playing whack-a-mole and

00:13:38.340 treating all these diseases with drugs or trying to find the cure for Alzheimer's.

00:13:41.540 It's never going to work.

00:13:42.620 You've got to get to these underlying processes that are causing all the diseases.

00:13:46.860 And then you need to figure out what's causing the problem with these processes, which is really

00:13:51.660 where functional medicine comes in.

00:13:53.240 It's the framework of understanding the cause.

00:13:56.260 It's the why medicine.

00:13:58.280 And it's really pretty simple.

00:13:59.880 You're either getting too much of something your body doesn't like or not enough of what

00:14:03.320 your body needs to function properly, too much of the impediments to health and not

00:14:07.220 enough of the ingredients for health.

00:14:08.740 And we know what those are.

00:14:09.800 It's not a long list.

00:14:10.640 The things you want to get rid of are bad diet, too much stress, sedentary lifestyle,

00:14:14.680 toxins, allergens, bugs, microbes, sometimes play a role in your microbiome.

00:14:21.280 And then you want all the things that your body needs to function well.

00:14:23.700 If you want to grow a garden or do anything, you have to know how to grow plants.

00:14:27.580 The same thing with a human.

00:14:28.540 We have to have the right food, the right nutrients, the right balance of hormones, light, air,

00:14:33.080 clean water, rhythm in our lives, rest, exercise, good sleep, connection, community, meaning,

00:14:40.140 purpose, love.

00:14:41.000 These are all just basic ingredients for health.

00:14:43.820 So once you figure that out, we can live a very long time.

00:14:47.520 And that's what these blue zones do.

00:14:48.960 They may automatically have these things.

00:14:51.520 Yeah, let's talk about those.

00:14:52.860 Define blue zone.

00:14:53.800 You know, so blue zone was basically an area where people live very long, like the areas

00:15:00.820 in the world where they have the longest lived people.

00:15:02.960 So for example, they have 20 times the number of people reaching 100 years old than we do

00:15:08.000 in America.

00:15:08.960 And are they genetically different or is something going on in their lifestyle or their environment

00:15:15.140 that's making them live a long time?

00:15:16.840 Turns out when they move to America, they die at the same rate.

00:15:20.200 They have the same longevity as we do.

00:15:22.060 We kill them right off.

00:15:22.740 Yeah, we kill them off.

00:15:24.560 It's true.

00:15:26.000 There's many studies that show that.

00:15:27.860 So in the blue zones, by default, they're doing all the right things.

00:15:31.960 It's sort of automatic.

00:15:33.060 They don't think about it.

00:15:33.940 I think, well, I'm going to go to the gym and I'm going to eat this and I'm going to

00:15:36.340 go to Whole Foods and I'm going to meditate.

00:15:38.560 No, no.

00:15:38.860 They basically have a diet that's super rich in simple, whole, real foods.

00:15:47.120 They eat lots of vegetables.

00:15:48.960 They have lots of beans.

00:15:50.500 If they have animal products, these animals are raised on the local plants grazing around.

00:15:57.220 They have lots of goats and sheep, typically, which are a big staple in their diet.

00:16:02.760 And they're not eating sugar.

00:16:04.780 They're tons of sugar.

00:16:05.640 They're not eating processed food.

00:16:07.000 They're eating lots of good fats.

00:16:08.860 They're having lots of fish.

00:16:09.800 So they're having a really healthy diet.

00:16:12.040 The second is they're moving naturally.

00:16:13.800 It's just they don't exercise, quote, exercise.

00:16:15.940 But this guy Pietro was a guy I met who was 95 years old, bold, upright, clear eyes, booming

00:16:22.500 voice, fit as a fiddle.

00:16:25.120 I mean, 95, right?

00:16:26.120 He would literally just stop being a shepherd the year before where he was walking five miles

00:16:31.660 a day up the Rocky Mountains in Sardinia, you know, herding his sheep.

00:16:35.700 Well, that's just natural exercise.

00:16:37.040 He had to lift and do and move.

00:16:38.640 We just don't use our bodies.

00:16:39.660 So they naturally use their bodies.

00:16:41.020 And they also had very low levels of chronic stress.

00:16:45.200 I mean, they weren't out there, you know, overachieving this and that and doing startups

00:16:50.440 and working, you know, 90 hours a week.

00:16:53.320 They did what they did to survive.

00:16:55.500 And they had this beautiful life of, you know, their local gardening and growing food and their

00:17:01.460 basic kind of keeping their systems going.

00:17:05.200 But they also had this deep sense of connection and community and belonging.

00:17:09.680 And no, there was no nursing homes.

00:17:11.180 I met this woman, Julia, who was 103 months.

00:17:14.280 She's like, I'm 103 months.

00:17:15.640 Like, I'm five and three quarters, you know.

00:17:18.380 And she lived with her niece.

00:17:20.180 She never had kids.

00:17:20.980 She was never married.

00:17:21.560 But she lived with her niece because the family just took them in.

00:17:23.860 And so really, they really had this beautiful sense of community.

00:17:28.960 We met this guy, Carmine.

00:17:30.360 We were driving down this road on the side of this mountain.

00:17:34.200 And this guy pulls in front of us, like blocks our car and then gets out and then sits on this

00:17:39.420 stone wall.

00:17:40.420 And he's like this 86-year-old guy.

00:17:41.980 And he's like, I'm like, what's going on to my guy?

00:17:44.380 And they're like, oh, he just wants to talk.

00:17:45.660 So we just sat and talked for like an hour.

00:17:47.460 And then we showed us where his farm was, where basically he'd been growing food for

00:17:51.800 hours.

00:17:52.020 We had orchards and animals and sheep and growing tons of vegetables.

00:17:56.480 And he tended it all himself at 86 years old.

00:17:59.620 And he just wanted to sit and chat for hours, you know.

00:18:02.080 It was like, who does that in America?

00:18:03.960 So they have a deep sense of connection and community, which is a big thing.

00:18:08.080 If you want to look at, you know, one of the biggest killers, you know, for example, being

00:18:12.220 socially isolated and disconnected is the equivalent of smoking two packs a day in terms

00:18:16.700 of its effect on your health.

00:18:18.300 Oh, my God.

00:18:19.240 I'm thinking about my nana, my mom's mom.

00:18:21.460 Um, she died in, in 2016, October, 2016, and she had just turned 101 and she went against,

00:18:28.880 but so she went against most of your rules, but not until later in life.

00:18:32.740 You know, she was born in 1915.

00:18:34.380 And so she grew up, of course, like anybody who was born in 1915, eating natural foods,

00:18:38.760 not processed foods.

00:18:39.540 But the second half of life, she was pretty sedentary.

00:18:42.280 She was overweight.

00:18:43.540 She ate, she ate nothing but processed food.

00:18:45.560 She loved them.

00:18:46.580 Um, she didn't exercise much.

00:18:48.660 However, however, she had two things.

00:18:51.600 She had a great sense of humor.

00:18:52.960 So she, she, she had some anxiety about like people getting hurt in her family, things like

00:18:56.700 that, but she wasn't a stressed out person, but she was immersed in her community.

00:19:01.340 The Catholic daughters, the senior citizens home.

00:19:04.320 Uh, they used to go on the mystery trips to New York city and go to Broadway together.

00:19:07.960 Even the independent living community that she ultimately moved into, it wasn't a nursing

00:19:11.820 home.

00:19:12.000 It was independent living, but she would walk up and down the halls.

00:19:14.580 They all knew each other.

00:19:15.400 It was like living in a sorority slash fraternity where they all took care of each other.

00:19:19.440 They all had parties together for their birthday.

00:19:21.620 So honestly, like that nurturing of her social needs, I'm convinced that's what kept her alive

00:19:27.500 as long as she did.

00:19:28.740 Totally.

00:19:29.300 Totally.

00:19:29.800 I mean, it, it reminds me of a story of a Rosetta, Pennsylvania, where this group of,

00:19:33.820 uh, Italian community came over almost as a whole community and sort of set up shop in

00:19:39.140 this town.

00:19:39.580 And they, they had, you know, different socioeconomic statuses, but they all knew each other.

00:19:43.900 They all celebrated everything together.

00:19:45.940 Weddings, births, holidays, whatever.

00:19:47.640 We're just a deeply not tight knit community.

00:19:49.800 And they adopted the typical American diet, but they weren't getting sick like the average

00:19:54.340 American.

00:19:55.200 And, and it was fascinating to see how, even despite their crappy lifestyle, they actually,

00:20:00.480 because of this power of connection and belonging community, they actually lived a long,

00:20:04.440 long time.

00:20:05.280 And I think that's a very important message.

00:20:06.820 Oh, can I tell you, I just interviewed Cece Moore.

00:20:09.620 She's this, the famed genealog, genetic genealogist who helps solve crimes.

00:20:13.780 I mean, legitimately has solved a bunch of crimes by studying your genes and figuring out

00:20:17.640 who you might be related to.

00:20:18.500 Like, like the case of Brian Kohlberger out in Idaho, you know, they found some genetic

00:20:22.260 DNA, whatever.

00:20:23.140 She talked to me about some community in Pennsylvania that was largely Italian and they all sort of

00:20:28.280 moved to the same place.

00:20:29.080 And one of them turned out to be a terrible killer, just as a little epilogue to your story.

00:20:33.180 I'm sure it's a different community, different, totally different.

00:20:36.300 More than that.

00:20:39.200 But wait, can you, can I ask you something about the Mediterranean diet?

00:20:41.560 Because this is always very attractive because we, you know, if you, if you go over to Italy,

00:20:45.200 if you go to, you know, to Greece, whatever, you, you may have a pasta dish, but it's smaller.

00:20:49.580 You'd also be having some protein.

00:20:50.880 You would definitely be having some vegetables.

00:20:52.520 You'd be having the olive oil.

00:20:54.140 But can I ask you something?

00:20:55.380 You would also be having the bread.

00:20:56.840 And if you try to have Mediterranean diet for breakfast for yourself or your kids, I think

00:21:01.480 about all the time.

00:21:02.140 Cause I'm always looking for an option to upgrade my children's breakfast.

00:21:05.340 It's bread.

00:21:06.520 It's a croissant.

00:21:07.740 It's toast with jam.

00:21:09.700 It's like, I don't get it.

00:21:11.160 How can we get away with that?

00:21:12.360 Is that really what we're supposed to be doing?

00:21:14.220 No, no, no, no.

00:21:15.520 In fact, the number one killer, uh, and the driver of all these hallmarks of aging and

00:21:20.220 accelerated biological aging is starch and sugar.

00:21:22.820 It is just the number one thing.

00:21:24.300 If you, people want to take home one thing from this conversation is really dramatically

00:21:28.720 cut down or cut out starch and sugar in your diet.

00:21:31.080 That's flour.

00:21:31.720 I gotta, I gotta be honest, doctor.

00:21:33.260 I, this morning I gave my three kids bagels with some protein.

00:21:37.420 I like some peanut butter bagels.

00:21:38.960 Okay.

00:21:39.320 Protein is okay.

00:21:40.740 Chocolate milk.

00:21:41.580 I mean, so sugar.

00:21:42.560 Oh no, chocolate milk.

00:21:43.500 I did, you know, we're trying to get them to drink milk, but we want to drink milk and

00:21:46.420 they won't drink it unless we like make it a little sweeter.

00:21:48.460 It's bad, bad.

00:21:49.320 I violated all the rules.

00:21:50.840 I don't, but I don't, you can't give them eggs every day.

00:21:53.560 No, no, there's other things in eggs, but, but what's interesting is, is, uh, the, the,

00:21:57.860 uh, the amount of, uh, sugar we eat is so enormous and it is, it is driving so much

00:22:02.780 of the problem.

00:22:03.320 And the, you know, the, the bread issue is interesting.

00:22:05.860 Cause I, I was in Icaria and, uh, I had bread and there was this guy who made bread the

00:22:11.380 traditional way.

00:22:12.160 It was Zaya flour or Zaya is a form of ancient wheat.

00:22:16.040 And it's, it's actually a, a wheat that was eaten by Alexander the great that fueled his

00:22:23.120 adventures at conquests.

00:22:25.580 It's super high in protein.

00:22:26.760 It's very low in the glycemic index, very low in gluten, full of minerals.

00:22:31.200 Uh, and it's raised and cooked in rate and it's, it's, it's raised in ways that, you

00:22:36.400 know, keep its integrity in terms of its nutritional density.

00:22:39.340 And when they prepare the bread, it's, it's super dense.

00:22:42.600 So, you know, it's, it's, um, you know, something like that is a very different food than the

00:22:47.680 kind of fluffy white breads we get here that are from dwarf wheat that are super high in

00:22:52.120 starch.

00:22:52.440 I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's really bad.

00:22:54.880 So I think, you know, if you're having traditional foods, a little bit of probably bread and in a

00:22:59.120 traditional way is, is okay, but it's, it's with everything else we're doing, it's, it's

00:23:03.280 60% of our diet is ultra processed food.

00:23:05.800 We eat 152 pounds of sugar and 133 pounds of flour per person a day.

00:23:10.980 That's just an enormous amount.

00:23:12.480 So that's the problem.

00:23:14.320 My God, when you think about, um, like I'm fine, obviously I, I watched my sugar.

00:23:18.080 I don't have a lot of sugar, but with the kids, you know, it's, it's foisted on them

00:23:21.320 all day, every day, right?

00:23:22.240 You go to school, it's like the snack is some sort of cookie and then it's somebody's birthday.

00:23:26.360 So everybody has a cupcake and you're not going to be the mom who's like, don't

00:23:28.920 touch that cupcake.

00:23:29.720 Don't have that cookie.

00:23:30.560 And then they come home and they want, they want a snack.

00:23:32.480 And it's like, Oh, one of those like little snack packs that has a little, a few M&Ms in

00:23:37.240 it.

00:23:37.440 And if you like, just, it's everywhere.

00:23:38.940 And then they always want dessert, right?

00:23:40.360 So it's like, it's just foisted on them.

00:23:43.000 And if you look at what's actually recommended for the children in terms of sugar grams versus

00:23:46.520 what they take in, it's horrifying.

00:23:49.380 I know, I know it's pretty, it's pretty bad.

00:23:52.400 It's pretty bad.

00:23:53.460 I think, you know, we're, we're, we're, we really have to sort of reset what we think of as

00:23:58.160 okay.

00:23:58.820 And I think we're, we're 93% of us, a little more than 93% of us in America are metabolically

00:24:05.480 unhealthy.

00:24:05.960 What that means is we have some form of prediabetes balances and imbalances in our blood sugar and

00:24:12.100 insulin, which is driving aging.

00:24:13.380 And that manifests as high blood sugar, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, uh, being

00:24:18.960 overweight or having had a heart attack or stroke.

00:24:21.060 And those are not things that we should be thinking about as normal.

00:24:25.400 And it's just because 93% of us are having it.

00:24:28.400 It doesn't mean that it's okay.

00:24:30.000 It means it's because our diet in America is, is so deadly and costly.

00:24:34.520 Hmm.

00:24:35.060 All right.

00:24:35.360 So by the way, could you list a couple of the blue zones for us?

00:24:38.080 Where, where are these?

00:24:38.760 Yes.

00:24:39.160 So I, I went to a, I went to a three, I was in, in Sardinia and in, uh, in where they

00:24:44.200 had the longest of males in the world.

00:24:45.540 There was a couple of there that was collectively 210 years old.

00:24:49.380 It was very impressive.

00:24:50.800 There was, uh, Ikaria, which is in Greece, uh, Okinawa in Japan, uh, uh, and the Koya

00:24:57.980 peninsula in Costa Rica, which I've been at.

00:25:00.200 And then Loma Linda in California where the seventh day Adventists live.

00:25:04.440 Like you mentioned, Oh, that's what, uh, Dr. Ben Carson is.

00:25:07.700 Uh, you mentioned, you mentioned fish.

00:25:10.420 Okay.

00:25:10.760 Now fish has a sketchy record, at least here in America.

00:25:14.020 Right.

00:25:14.360 And if you read, I love Dr.

00:25:15.760 Marxist and I read his book, you know, fish, it's got all this mercury in it.

00:25:19.740 I do wonder, and I don't eat fish to be perfectly honest, but I'm trying to eat more of it because

00:25:24.160 I know it has some benefits and yet I don't know what kind of fish to eat.

00:25:27.340 Cause I don't want all that mercury in me.

00:25:29.080 You know?

00:25:29.700 So what do you do about fish?

00:25:31.200 You're right.

00:25:31.520 I mean, the fish doesn't have mercury originally.

00:25:35.320 It's because we polluted the earth with coal burning, uh, plants that spew out mercury and

00:25:43.120 lead in the atmosphere that goes in the oceans that then the little fish eat the algae that

00:25:47.300 take up the mercury.

00:25:48.140 Then it goes up the food chain.

00:25:49.740 So we're eating big fish like tuna, swordfish, halibut, Chilean sea bass.

00:25:53.760 These are just full of mercury and there are guides on how to choose fish that are lower

00:25:57.680 and mercury like sardines, herring, mackerel, anchovies, some small wild salmon.

00:26:02.640 Um, and it's, it's a problem.

00:26:04.320 So fish as a protein is great absent the mercury.

00:26:07.520 So I agree.

00:26:08.200 It's really a big issue.

00:26:09.380 I think most people don't understand how bad these toxins are for them and how much they

00:26:13.060 accumulate over time.

00:26:14.200 And, and I personally had mercury poisoning.

00:26:16.160 That's how I kind of figured a lot of this out, but, but there are actually, uh, it's

00:26:20.280 interesting new companies out there.

00:26:21.820 One of them is called C-topia dot fish that actually sources regenerately raised aquaculture

00:26:28.780 of fish.

00:26:29.280 It's low in toxins that taste delicious.

00:26:32.360 It's raised in sustainable regenerative ways.

00:26:35.660 So I think there are pockets of where you can find it, but it's, it's not easy.

00:26:40.000 Is it better to just have chicken?

00:26:41.780 Just to have beef?

00:26:43.560 It's not that hard to find those?

00:26:44.900 I mean, ideally, ideally, and this is not affordable for everybody, but I think ideally

00:26:49.060 having, uh, animals that are properly raised in ways that are good for them, good for the

00:26:53.720 planet and produce animal protein that's better for us, uh, is ideal.

00:26:59.660 So, uh, pasture raised chicken, regeneratively raised beef or bison or lamb, uh, all, all fine.

00:27:07.280 I think, I think we don't, um, have easy access to that.

00:27:10.480 And I think there's more and more, uh, investment in this, the $20 billion out of the IRA bill

00:27:15.320 went towards, uh, increasing regenerative agriculture and farmers.

00:27:18.800 So we're seeing kind of a movement towards this.

00:27:20.940 It's just, it's going to take a little while until it becomes affordable.

00:27:23.620 But I think that's, that's much healthier than eating, uh, starch and sugar for sure.

00:27:28.300 Can you expand on what you just said about the beef?

00:27:30.280 I mean, what we, what we've been told is get the grass fed beef, get the organic beef

00:27:34.060 if you can.

00:27:34.700 You're saying a different word.

00:27:35.920 Yeah.

00:27:37.100 Regenative, right?

00:27:37.920 So regenerative is like next step than grass fed.

00:27:40.380 So I can eat grass.

00:27:41.900 If it's only eating like one kind of grass, that's one thing.

00:27:44.660 But if it's helping to restore a whole ecosystem by grazing on many, many hundred different

00:27:50.320 plants and being left to graze in ways that restore the soil by moving the animals around

00:27:55.240 a particular way, it actually helps to draw carbon out of the environment.

00:27:59.260 It helps to restore, uh, the diverse biodiversity, uh, in farms, which we've lost because of all

00:28:05.580 the chemical agriculture.

00:28:06.660 And it produces food that's way more nutrient dense and produces animal food.

00:28:10.740 That's much higher in omega-3 fats, much higher in minerals, antioxidants, and, and much

00:28:15.580 less inflammatory and probably anti-inflammatory compared to traditional meat.

00:28:20.300 So where do you get that?

00:28:21.800 You can get it through online places now a lot like butcher box, uh, force of nature.

00:28:27.280 You can, uh, North star bison.

00:28:29.260 You can get, you know, for example, I have elk and bison and venison and, uh, in regeneratively

00:28:33.680 raised beef and, and it's really, uh, more and more widely available and you can buy it

00:28:38.340 without going through the middleman.

00:28:39.980 So it's a little cheaper directly from the ranches, which I like.

00:28:43.640 Mm-hmm.

00:28:44.220 I know that you, uh, believe in the theory of, it's not your, your, uh, phrase, but you

00:28:50.100 believe in the, the theory of eat, eat, uh, fresh food, uh, not too much of it, mostly

00:28:56.780 plants.

00:28:57.600 I can't remember who coined that phrase.

00:28:59.220 Michael Pollan, eat food, not too much, mostly plants.

00:29:01.760 I, yes, basically I agree.

00:29:03.740 I think food, but you're not, you're not a vegan person.

00:29:06.660 You're not, you're not pushing veganism.

00:29:08.660 No, I think in the longevity field, there's a lot of people who are, you know, advocating

00:29:12.720 for a vegan diet because they believe it's going to extend their life.

00:29:16.020 But the problem with that is, is if you're only vegan and don't eat any meat, then you're

00:29:22.040 not actually building muscle the way you need to, as you get older.

00:29:25.240 And one of the things that happens is we start to lose muscle in our thirties and forties

00:29:29.040 and we become, even if we don't become overweight, we become over fat and our muscle becomes marbled

00:29:33.820 and then it's turns into a metabolic chaos.

00:29:36.840 So it slows our metabolism, makes us pre-diabetic, it causes inflammation, it lowers our sex hormones,

00:29:41.880 it lowers our growth hormone, increases stress hormones.

00:29:44.340 So your muscle becomes really a source of aging.

00:29:47.220 Healthy muscle and enough muscle is the key to longevity.

00:29:50.680 And the way to get that is by having the right kinds of protein at the right time.

00:29:53.800 And also by strength training or resistance training could be bands, could be weights,

00:29:58.100 could be body weight, but it's super important to do that.

00:30:01.600 Yeah.

00:30:02.140 So we got to get into what should we do?

00:30:04.660 What should we eat?

00:30:05.580 How often should we exercise?

00:30:06.900 How should we exercise?

00:30:08.000 And is there any magic supplement?

00:30:09.780 Is it collagen?

00:30:11.000 Is it, is there some pill?

00:30:12.140 Is there something else we should be doing to update our routine so that we can work on our

00:30:16.200 internal longevity and wellness?

00:30:18.140 I'll pause it there.

00:30:19.360 We'll take a quick break and we will come back with more with the great Dr.

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00:30:59.080 One of the things I was asking myself as I listened was you were talking about the

00:31:02.720 panoply of, you know, color that we get from the rainbow and we should look for in our veggies

00:31:06.920 and our fruits.

00:31:07.620 And all I could think of was Tom Brady who avoids the root vegetables.

00:31:11.080 I guess I'm whenever I have like an eggplant or a tomato, I'm like, oh God, Tom Brady would

00:31:14.540 tell me I shouldn't be having this and he looks young forever.

00:31:16.680 Is it true?

00:31:17.640 What's the story on vegetables and fruits?

00:31:19.480 Oh boy.

00:31:20.900 Okay.

00:31:21.360 So this is a really interesting conversation and there's, there are some people who are

00:31:25.580 sensitive to certain components in foods like lectins and things, which are found in the

00:31:31.140 nightshade vegetables, eggplant, tomatoes, peppers, potatoes.

00:31:35.280 Those, those are the things that Tom Brady was talking about and they, they can be inflammatory.

00:31:39.460 And so the only way to know is eliminate, eliminate them and see how you do.

00:31:42.620 But the truth is plants are full of these powerful compounds called phytochemicals.

00:31:49.460 Now the plant is not making them for us.

00:31:53.060 They're the plant's own defense systems, their own immune system, their own deterrence.

00:31:57.580 They're like little poisons really.

00:31:59.620 But what's happened is we've co-evolved with these plants.

00:32:02.560 And so when we eat them in the right amounts, it actually is like a mini stress to our body,

00:32:06.660 but it activates these healing systems.

00:32:09.100 So, you know, we, we sort of touched on the hallmarks of aging, but the body has these

00:32:13.680 incredible systems, these longevity pathways, these longevity switches that if you stimulate

00:32:19.620 them in the right way with some of these plant compounds, these phytonutrients, it actually

00:32:24.200 extends your life.

00:32:25.560 It reverses aging and actually reverses disease and reduces things like inflammation and so

00:32:30.860 forth.

00:32:31.060 So for example, uh, phycetin is a compound in strawberries that activates, uh, a pathway that

00:32:38.740 kills the zombie cells in our body, zombie cells are cells that should die, but don't

00:32:43.180 die.

00:32:43.480 And then they go around spewing inflammation, causing havoc and creating a mess for you

00:32:48.040 and accelerating aging.

00:32:49.300 Or for example, uh, compounds like a green tea, the catechins in green tea stimulate other

00:32:57.760 longevity switches that reduce inflammation and help DNA repair and do all kinds of amazing

00:33:02.920 things.

00:33:03.180 So we can start to include things like curcumin, the broccoli family and quercetin, which is

00:33:08.400 in onions and, and, and garlic and, and apples.

00:33:12.920 And, uh, these bare powerful plant compounds are available to us in what we're eating that

00:33:18.300 can transform our health in a positive way.

00:33:20.180 So, you know, we do, we do, you know, we don't want to eat, uh, certain foods that are

00:33:25.080 potentially inflammatory for us, but most, most of the people do great with all the vegetables.

00:33:30.680 And I, and I think we don't need enough of them and we don't need enough of them.

00:33:35.160 This is the mercury fish question on the vegetables.

00:33:37.700 What about the pesticides?

00:33:39.140 Cause I know, and this is back to Mark Sisson.

00:33:41.760 He said, okay, be careful.

00:33:43.080 Cause like all the pesticides on the vegetables, you know, they could be a problem.

00:33:46.280 So he's like, you know, buy local.

00:33:47.940 Well, I'm in Connecticut.

00:33:48.780 You would think it'd be easy to find a farm.

00:33:50.920 I went all over.

00:33:52.180 I looked high and low for like an actual farm that I could buy, you know, unpesticided vegetables

00:33:59.260 from one.

00:34:01.000 So finally, like in the nicer months, you can go to the farmer's market.

00:34:03.940 Let's be honest.

00:34:04.680 I've been going to whole foods.

00:34:05.940 You have to pay an arm and a leg and you get the stuff that they say is organic, but it's

00:34:09.260 not, it's not from the farm.

00:34:10.700 And I'm telling you, getting the stuff from the farmer is a lot harder than, than they

00:34:13.660 make it out to be.

00:34:14.580 So what, what about the pesticides?

00:34:16.500 There's actually some great resource online for community supported agriculture and, and

00:34:20.600 ways to sort of get inexpensive organic vegetables.

00:34:22.760 There's, there's a great companies that are now offering kind of ugly vegetables that,

00:34:29.140 that people throw out because the farmers throw out because people want perfectly shaped

00:34:32.740 vegetables, but that are organic and are cheaper.

00:34:34.520 So there's ways to do it.

00:34:36.540 But the truth is that, that yes, the way we grow our food is terrible and it's destroying

00:34:41.920 us, the planet, the soil, biodiversity.

00:34:46.480 There are, there are guides to eating foods with less pesticides or no pesticides.

00:34:51.320 So I'm on the board of the environmental working group and they have a guide called a dirty

00:34:57.000 dozen and the clean 15, the dirty dozen are the 12 most contaminated fruits and vegetables

00:35:03.660 that you should never consume unless they're organic.

00:35:06.440 The dirty, the clean 15 are things like, oh, well, if I eat avocados or bananas or whatever,

00:35:12.080 not so bad.

00:35:12.920 So I don't have to buy organic of those, but I can buy organic strawberries if I want to

00:35:16.560 eat strawberries.

00:35:17.040 Cause those are the worst, for example.

00:35:18.520 Yes.

00:35:18.900 So no, it's just about.

00:35:21.660 Making sure you either don't eat the ones that are the most contaminated, or if you

00:35:25.400 can buy organic and focus on the ones that are the least contaminated.

00:35:29.500 I would like it noted for the record that I did provide the children with strawberries.

00:35:32.620 Everybody also had that this morning, just for the record.

00:35:35.000 Okay, got it, got it.

00:35:37.380 Can we spend a minute on breakfast though?

00:35:39.340 Cause I find incorporating protein into lunch and dinner, cause I know you, as we discussed,

00:35:43.500 you're pro-protein.

00:35:45.060 That's very easy.

00:35:46.500 Breakfast.

00:35:46.900 Breakfast, it's not as easy.

00:35:48.620 You've got the eggs.

00:35:49.800 Yes.

00:35:50.220 You've got potentially the yogurt.

00:35:52.780 What else?

00:35:53.580 What else?

00:35:54.240 What are we supposed to be eating for breakfast?

00:35:55.520 Yeah.

00:35:55.840 Great, great question.

00:35:56.600 So let me talk about why, because I think, you know, we basically eat sugar for breakfast

00:36:01.360 in America.

00:36:01.920 We have cereals, muffins, bagels, croissants.

00:36:06.320 We have French toast, pancakes.

00:36:08.120 I mean, the list goes on and on.

00:36:09.320 Oatmeal, we basically eat sugar for breakfast.

00:36:12.240 And this is the absolute worst thing you do for your health because it activates high

00:36:17.320 levels of insulin.

00:36:18.420 Insulin makes you store belly fat.

00:36:20.180 It makes you hungry.

00:36:21.740 It causes diabetes, fatty liver, screws up your cholesterol, makes you age faster, lowers

00:36:27.980 your sex drive, all kinds of stuff, right?

00:36:30.400 Makes you lose your hair.

00:36:32.100 It's terrible.

00:36:32.720 And the key to longevity is to eat after a 12 to ideally 14 hour overnight fast, meaning

00:36:42.420 you eat dinner at six, breakfast at eight.

00:36:44.520 That's 14 hours of not eating.

00:36:46.580 That's really important to let your body do a self-cleaning and repair system, which is

00:36:50.640 called autophagy.

00:36:51.560 That's a key part of the longevity strategy we talked about in the book.

00:36:55.680 Then when you're in that fasted state in the morning, you want to have a good load of

00:36:59.660 protein.

00:37:00.040 And the reason is you want to activate muscle synthesis because having the right protein

00:37:05.380 in the morning is the best way to actually trigger your body to make more muscle and

00:37:11.020 to improve your metabolism.

00:37:12.200 So what should you eat?

00:37:13.100 Well, like you said, you can have eggs and omelet.

00:37:15.740 You can have, for example, maybe Greek yogurt, which is maybe higher in protein.

00:37:20.100 You can add nuts in there.

00:37:21.340 You can add seeds in there.

00:37:23.320 There's ways you can even mix in a little protein powder in some of that.

00:37:26.580 I like to have a shake.

00:37:28.300 Your kids would probably love this for breakfast.

00:37:29.680 It's like almost like a milkshake, but it's made with the whey protein.

00:37:33.120 So you can get, I like to use goat whey because it's less inflammatory and you can get regeneratively

00:37:37.560 raised goat whey.

00:37:38.460 You can buy a big container of it and it lasts a long time.

00:37:42.600 And that you can mix in berries.

00:37:46.040 You can mix in nut butters.

00:37:47.020 You can mix in other things to enhance it as well.

00:37:50.800 And that actually is a great way to put in some like nut milk, like cashew milk or macadamia

00:37:55.900 milk or almond milk, but unsweetened.

00:37:58.580 Not oat milk because oat milk is very sugary.

00:38:01.800 Macadamia is probably the lowest.

00:38:03.120 And then you can just have that for a great shake.

00:38:05.640 That's what I do.

00:38:06.240 It's called my healthy aging shake.

00:38:07.520 I have it in the book, the recipe.

00:38:08.620 I had a few extra things in there, but it's a great way to start the day and breakfast.

00:38:13.060 Sometimes, you know, like in other countries, they have fish for breakfast, like lox, right?

00:38:17.320 Sorry, herring, you know, like kippers, you know, so I can have that for breakfast, you

00:38:24.080 know, that's why I do it.

00:38:25.460 Like I'll have for breakfast, like a can of kippers with tomatoes and avocado and some,

00:38:31.580 you know, just some lemon juice on it.

00:38:33.540 And it's delicious.

00:38:34.180 Okay.

00:38:34.780 All right.

00:38:35.120 So that we like protein, we like vegetables, we are pro fruit too.

00:38:39.800 I mean, fruit sometimes gets a bad name, right?

00:38:41.380 Because of the sugar, but are you pro fruit?

00:38:43.560 I'm definitely pro fruit.

00:38:44.780 I think, I think it should not be like the staple of your diet, because if you pick, if

00:38:49.080 you're, if you look at America, like I said, 93% of us are in some range of pre-diabetes

00:38:53.520 to diabetes or poor metabolic health.

00:38:55.800 And, and that is made worse by sugar.

00:38:58.400 So if you have an empty stomach, not great.

00:39:00.080 So having it with food, like if you're having yogurt and you want to put nuts in there and

00:39:04.860 you want to add some fruit, great.

00:39:06.380 If you want to have a smoothie with whey protein, maybe a little avocado in there and you throw

00:39:11.320 in and some nuts for fat, and then you put in some fruit, no problem.

00:39:15.960 I think you want to enjoy fruit and have low glycemic fruit, like berries, but if you're

00:39:20.500 having a ton of grapes or, you know, a ton of pineapple or, you know, that can actually

00:39:25.740 be pretty sugary.

00:39:26.500 So, you know, now we actually have the ability to do glucose monitoring.

00:39:30.340 We can take a little device, put it on our arm and we can measure what happens.

00:39:34.740 So everybody's different.

00:39:35.720 Like people, I'm going to eat pineapple and they're fine.

00:39:37.520 I'm going to eat pineapple and their sugar will go through the roof.

00:39:39.760 So it's about identifying what works for you and what doesn't work for you.

00:39:43.440 So Dr.

00:39:43.920 Peter Atiyah was big on this, on this glucose monitoring thing, but I, I remain unclear on

00:39:47.920 how regular gen pop people can get this.

00:39:49.960 Like, do I, do we need a, you, do we need a Dr.

00:39:51.880 Atiyah?

00:39:52.320 No, no, no, no, no, no, no.

00:39:54.000 No, no, you can get it.

00:39:54.780 There's actually a company I'm a advisor for called Levels Health and you can go to, I

00:40:00.680 think, Levels, just Google Levels Health and you'll find the link and you can sign up and

00:40:06.220 get the device delivered to you.

00:40:08.100 It's a little device you apply.

00:40:09.340 It's very easy to apply.

00:40:10.460 It hooks up to your phone and you can follow your app and you can track your sugars and

00:40:14.180 you can see what's happening.

00:40:15.500 And it's fascinating.

00:40:16.180 I actually learned a lot.

00:40:17.420 I mean, I, I eat pretty healthy, but sometimes I overeat.

00:40:20.320 Like, like I was at a friend's house and, and, uh, in the summer and they ordered this

00:40:24.720 incredible spread from this, you know, organic, like restaurant, farm to table, and like this

00:40:30.720 huge lamb and tons of veggies.

00:40:32.960 And they had some, you know, sweet potatoes, lots of stuff.

00:40:36.820 And I ate way too much food.

00:40:39.480 And both of us had the monodrome.

00:40:41.400 We literally just put it on.

00:40:42.260 Our sugars went like to 150.

00:40:43.920 Like, what is going on?

00:40:45.240 So it's not just the kind of food, it's the amount of food.

00:40:48.760 So if you overeat, it also can cause a problem.

00:40:51.620 Yes.

00:40:51.940 Remember that, that piece of the principle, eat food, not too much, not too much.

00:40:55.660 You really have to reign it in.

00:40:56.560 We don't need nearly as much as we tend to eat.

00:40:58.620 All right.

00:40:58.840 So exercise, this is the sad part of the MK story.

00:41:02.240 You need to exercise.

00:41:04.300 You need weight resistance.

00:41:05.820 You said, right.

00:41:06.580 So to build up your muscle, but like, what's the bare minimum we need to be doing?

00:41:10.300 We have to do it.

00:41:11.440 We must do it starting today, this week.

00:41:13.240 No, no longer postponing.

00:41:14.620 What do we have to do?

00:41:15.900 You know, it doesn't have to be that much.

00:41:17.520 It turns out, um, it, it's about 30 minutes, three times a week.

00:41:22.740 And if you can do, um, strength training, it can be body weight.

00:41:27.080 It can be bands, which I do.

00:41:28.340 It can be weights.

00:41:29.620 There's lots of ways to do it, but it's one of those things that we all kind of try to

00:41:35.760 avoid, but actually turns out is, is the most important thing to maintain muscle and to build

00:41:41.400 muscle as we get older, because the thing that keeps us, you know, not being at our full

00:41:46.780 sort of speed as we get older is we've just become weaker.

00:41:50.420 We can't open jars.

00:41:51.860 We can't get up out of a chair.

00:41:53.120 We can't kind of do the normal functional things we want to do.

00:41:56.720 So think about like, how would you train to be a hundred year old, uh, that's able to

00:42:02.240 do all these things.

00:42:02.980 Well, you have to keep and build your muscle.

00:42:05.000 Like my father was in his seventies was, you know, we went skiing, he fell and he couldn't

00:42:09.880 get up, you know, that's not a good thing.

00:42:13.260 So I, you know, in his eighties, he was kind of even dwindling more in his kind of mid to

00:42:17.240 late eighties.

00:42:17.660 I said, dad, you know, how about we get you a trainer?

00:42:20.420 And so it was my birthday present.

00:42:21.960 He got a trainer and at 88 years old, he was in the gym lifting weights with the trainer.

00:42:26.760 And then he was able to play tennis with me at 89.

00:42:29.220 And it was like, wow, it was, it was pretty impressive to see.

00:42:32.180 So it's never too late.

00:42:33.520 No.

00:42:34.680 All right.

00:42:35.180 So what, now what else, is there something else we should be thinking of?

00:42:37.940 Is there some pill we need to take a supplement in addition to all this stuff?

00:42:41.100 Yeah, there is, there is some other cool stuff that I write about in the book.

00:42:45.060 Um, that it's accessible and affordable to all of us.

00:42:48.040 And, and that's called hormesis.

00:42:49.920 Now, hormesis is a big word.

00:42:52.100 It's a stress that doesn't kill us.

00:42:53.680 It makes us stronger.

00:42:54.420 It's not eating overnight, which is a form of starvation.

00:42:57.380 It's using your body and exercising and build resistance where you carry your muscle fibers,

00:43:02.300 but they come back stronger.

00:43:03.240 It's doing hot and cold therapy, like a sauna or a hot bath or a cold shower or a cold plunge.

00:43:08.220 They activate these ancient healing systems in our body that are so necessary.

00:43:12.040 So those are really cool things we can all do every day.

00:43:14.540 And then, you know, there's some other things that, you know, we can take as supplements,

00:43:17.660 which are these little stressors we talked about.

00:43:19.560 And I, I take a, a, a basic routine of supplements that I talked about in my book,

00:43:24.340 Young Forever, a multivitamin, fish oil, vitamin D.

00:43:27.280 And then I add some other things like NMN, which people might've heard about, or NAD,

00:43:31.340 which helps activate some of these longevity pathways.

00:43:34.360 I take a bunch of phytochemicals like green tea, quercetin.

00:43:37.720 I take extract from strawberry called ficeat, and I take a derivative from pomegranate.

00:43:41.540 And these are things that helped from the science actually change our biology to make us younger.

00:43:48.080 Can I ask you something?

00:43:49.000 I just recently started taking some of these supplements.

00:43:50.880 I had to take calcium because I, you know, my old lady bones and, uh, fish oils,

00:43:54.520 because I don't eat fish, that kind of, but I'm starting already to look like my,

00:43:57.480 you know, 82 year old mother with my pills set up.

00:43:59.720 I was like, I got to bake in an extra 10 minutes for your pill cycle at the end of the day.

00:44:03.440 Are you doing that?

00:44:04.340 Is there some short form way of getting all this stuff?

00:44:06.340 I mean, you can, there's powders, you can mix it in smoothies, but you know, at the end of the day,

00:44:10.880 you got to take a few things.

00:44:11.960 And the reason is we live in a, in an environment that was very unlike the one we evolved in and

00:44:16.280 our nutrients and our food are much more depleted.

00:44:19.240 We're not getting all the nutrients we need.

00:44:21.120 Nutritional deficiencies like vitamin D, omega threes, some of the B vitamins, magnesium, zinc,

00:44:26.980 iron, we're so deficient in these across our, across our population and they're necessary

00:44:32.100 for all the functions in our body.

00:44:33.500 So we have to take them.

00:44:35.960 Okay.

00:44:36.440 So we have to do that.

00:44:37.640 All of this is in your book.

00:44:39.040 So if people want to know exactly what are the supplements that you take, what are some

00:44:42.680 good recipes that they're in here, they're, they're in young forever.

00:44:45.800 You don't have to squeeze it all in, in this hour.

00:44:47.380 These are just sort of tips for you on the things you need to be thinking about.

00:44:50.820 And then the specifics on how to actually execute are all in the book.

00:44:54.680 So for people who are sitting there right now saying, I'm going to change one thing.

00:44:58.300 That's all I'm changing.

00:44:59.400 I'm, you know, I'm setting my ways.

00:45:00.660 I like my lifestyle.

00:45:01.540 I'm going to be realistic.

00:45:02.400 What is the one thing they need to do?

00:45:04.820 Well, I'm going to cheat and give you a, like a very condensed version of the two most important

00:45:09.880 things.

00:45:10.220 One is cut out ultra processed foods and refined sugars and starches.

00:45:14.520 And two, add protein in the morning and do a little resistance training three times a

00:45:18.460 week.

00:45:18.680 And if you do that, you're like 80% of the way there.

00:45:22.040 My God.

00:45:23.020 And then you also say in the book that even just a 20 minute walk a few times a week can

00:45:27.260 make a real difference.

00:45:28.160 Well, that's the thing.

00:45:29.580 If you're sedentary, the biggest gains in terms of health benefits are from doing nothing

00:45:34.860 to walking 20 to 30 minutes a day.

00:45:37.240 Like that adds so much in terms of longevity, health, disease, dementia, heart disease, cancer,

00:45:43.160 diabetes.

00:45:43.620 It's really impressive.

00:45:44.580 So you don't have to kill yourself.

00:45:46.080 Just do something.

00:45:47.700 Good.

00:45:48.220 And that gets you outside and maybe makes you more social.

00:45:50.640 That's one of the benefits of having a dog or two in my case is they make you get a little

00:45:54.300 bit more social, which is also good for you back to the Nana story.

00:45:57.420 All of this is in Mark's book, who's doing great, great work on keeping us all living

00:46:01.160 to 120 and living well all the way there.

00:46:04.440 Thank you so much.

00:46:05.100 It's great to see you.

00:46:06.460 Good to see you.

00:46:07.800 All right.

00:46:08.340 And don't forget, the book is called Young Forever.

00:46:10.360 The Secrets to Living Your Longest, Healthiest Life.

00:46:14.720 We're going to be right back with our culture warriors, and you're going to love seeing Carrie

00:46:18.700 and Britt again.

00:46:19.760 Don't go away.

00:46:24.300 Today, we have an all-star culture panel with two former pageant queens and moms who are

00:46:30.000 working to create a more sane country for our children.

00:46:33.640 Carrie Prejean and Britt Mayer recently launched a new project called The Battle Cry to further

00:46:40.060 their efforts.

00:46:41.340 You've been listening to them come on our show for a while.

00:46:43.460 Now they are actually making something official to try to give other people a way of speaking

00:46:47.640 out to join them in their fight for sanity.

00:46:50.720 And they join us today to discuss some of their biggest issues.

00:46:53.280 Welcome back to the show, ladies.

00:46:55.500 Thank you for having me.

00:46:57.200 It's great to have you.

00:46:58.280 Okay.

00:46:58.540 So there's so much to go over, and I'm excited about your...

00:47:01.360 I like the battle cry.

00:47:02.720 That's good.

00:47:03.360 That works for both of you.

00:47:04.960 And I like that you're giving other people a place to go who are moms or dads or anybody

00:47:09.080 who wants to sort of pitch in but has no idea where to start.

00:47:11.360 So we'll talk about that in one second.

00:47:12.900 We got to begin with Don Lemon.

00:47:14.820 We got to start with him because he's back on the air today.

00:47:17.880 You women are women who fight for other women, biological women, actual women.

00:47:23.020 And women's spaces and so on.

00:47:25.000 So this is why Don Lemon's in the news this week and last, because he took a shot at Nikki

00:47:29.020 Haley, suggesting women are past their prime once they're over age 40.

00:47:33.440 It was not the first, and I guarantee you it won't be the last, of his sexist comments.

00:47:37.560 And this is why it became such a big deal.

00:47:40.120 Nobody who's sane or on the right or opposed to cancel culture gets all up in somebody's

00:47:46.200 grill over one comment in our country.

00:47:48.880 That's something the left does.

00:47:50.460 But when there is a repeated pattern and it's very clear a guy's a sexist and he has a national

00:47:55.020 post and he's in the midst of bullying his co-hosts who are female and younger, he deserves to

00:47:59.780 have it shoved down his throat.

00:48:01.180 So that's where we come in.

00:48:02.940 So he he comes on the air today.

00:48:05.940 He made the comments about Nikki Haley on the air last week, last Wednesday, I think it

00:48:10.460 was.

00:48:11.100 He doesn't have the balls to issue an on air apology.

00:48:15.820 He's got to issue a tweet before he goes on the set because he's a coward and can't issue

00:48:22.760 the apology.

00:48:23.360 The rule in journalism typically is you issue the apology in the same format and with the

00:48:28.340 same audience in which you delivered the sin and let you in which you committed the

00:48:32.880 sin.

00:48:33.240 Right.

00:48:33.440 If you set it on the air, that's where the apology goes.

00:48:35.780 Nope.

00:48:36.520 It was a Twitter apology that reads as follows before he hit the air.

00:48:42.360 I appreciate the opportunity to be back on CNN this morning today.

00:48:45.820 To my network, my colleagues in our incredible audience, I'm sorry.

00:48:49.420 I've heard you.

00:48:50.500 I'm learning from you and I'm committed to doing better.

00:48:54.480 See you soon.

00:48:55.560 This is we hear that his boss, Chris Licht, has decided on a quote.

00:48:59.480 I think it's formal training that's now going to like deprogram him as a sexist because it

00:49:06.540 works so well for like Jeff Zucker and Chris Cuomo and Jeffrey Toobin.

00:49:11.420 I don't know what kind of program they have over there, but it hasn't done such a bang up

00:49:14.800 job on their on air or behind the scenes male personalities.

00:49:18.260 So what do you ladies make of the CNN decision to tweet the apology, put him right back on

00:49:23.920 the air and off he goes covering Nikki Haley and other women?

00:49:28.460 Yeah, that's called liberal privilege right there.

00:49:30.860 I mean, if it was any conservative, could you imagine if Sean Hannity said that, Megan?

00:49:34.900 Oh, my God.

00:49:35.880 I mean, about Kamala Harris.

00:49:37.380 Tucker, Tucker, I mean, it's it's ridiculous.

00:49:40.340 And to point out his apology, he starts with saying to my network, why didn't he start with

00:49:46.940 two women everywhere who I and Nikki Haley?

00:49:50.460 Yeah.

00:49:51.060 To Nikki Haley, you know.

00:49:52.900 And so he he he deserves, you know, to be let go.

00:49:56.900 I mean, I'm sorry.

00:49:57.520 I'm not about cancel culture.

00:49:58.860 I was canceled.

00:49:59.740 But in this situation, we'd like to invite him over to battle cry and we'd like to have

00:50:04.780 him do some training with us.

00:50:06.120 We'll we'll put him in the shape.

00:50:08.980 I love that idea.

00:50:10.720 Yes.

00:50:11.160 That's that training.

00:50:12.420 I would trust, Carrie.

00:50:13.680 Yeah, that I could get behind.

00:50:15.560 But what do you make of it?

00:50:17.220 Well, what I notice is that my mama always taught me that when we apologize, we had to

00:50:23.020 explicitly apologize for what?

00:50:25.420 Like, what are you sorry for?

00:50:26.800 So if you slug your brother, you can't just say, I'm sorry.

00:50:29.720 Like you had to say, I'm sorry, I hit you.

00:50:32.660 I won't do it again.

00:50:33.800 And then you do something kind in to counterbalance what you did.

00:50:38.020 That was mean.

00:50:39.280 So my first reaction is like, you're sorry for what, Dawn?

00:50:42.680 Like you you didn't even explain what you did.

00:50:45.940 It was just a one off like, sorry, I have to say this just so that I can get back to my

00:50:50.920 job.

00:50:51.340 So it reads totally insincere.

00:50:53.700 And like Carrie said, it wasn't directed at the person that he initially directed his

00:50:59.560 comment to.

00:51:00.700 So it's just it's it read extremely insincere.

00:51:04.380 And it's not surprising.

00:51:05.600 I think it's interesting.

00:51:07.080 I didn't know until this morning because I was like, you know, how old is Don Lemon?

00:51:10.420 Um, so he's fifty six.

00:51:13.580 Nikki is fifty one.

00:51:15.860 And then you have Biden, who is eighty.

00:51:18.060 So.

00:51:19.380 Yeah.

00:51:20.020 You know, even Whoopi Goldberg was out there saying she's not a new generation.

00:51:24.040 It's like, well, she is compared to Biden and Trump.

00:51:26.780 That's that's the point that she was saying people over seventy five in politics should take

00:51:30.940 a mental competency exam.

00:51:32.300 That's why this whole topic got injected into the national conversation.

00:51:36.160 She is a new generation.

00:51:37.600 She's literally a different generation than Biden and Trump.

00:51:41.120 Um, so here's the thing.

00:51:42.480 Can I can I tell you this?

00:51:43.900 The thing about Don Lemon that has been bothering me, among others, his repeated sexism, number

00:51:49.140 one.

00:51:49.500 But number two is this guy has pretended to be the moral arbiter of us all for the past

00:51:57.340 five years.

00:51:58.840 And I remembered this one particular example in particular that I want to show you.

00:52:04.120 And then I have some others.

00:52:05.440 Um, but do you remember when Chris Harrison, longtime host of The Bachelor, got fired over

00:52:11.300 this bullshit incident where a contestant on The Bachelor or The Bachelorette, whatever,

00:52:18.300 had been outed as having a few years earlier in twenty eighteen gone to an antebellum party

00:52:25.240 celebrating Deep South.

00:52:26.800 I remember that.

00:52:27.900 Yeah.

00:52:28.080 OK, so it came out like she this was like five years earlier, four years earlier, whatever

00:52:32.020 it was, a couple of years earlier.

00:52:33.660 But it was twenty eighteen that she was that the pictures were taken and she was apologizing.

00:52:39.700 I'm sorry.

00:52:40.620 You're not allowed to celebrate the South, you know, given its history.

00:52:44.000 And Chris Harrison, it wasn't his controversy.

00:52:46.600 He didn't he didn't go to the party, but he said something about cancel culture because

00:52:50.760 she was having the wolves come down on her and saying she said she's sorry, you know,

00:52:55.300 it's a few years ago, like can't show her any grace, cancel culture, you know, it's kind

00:52:59.760 of getting out of hand.

00:53:01.020 He was canceled.

00:53:02.140 The everybody loved that him loved it.

00:53:04.240 He's like totally vanilla.

00:53:05.840 This guy is not controversial.

00:53:08.040 And so, like, if you're going to get mad about anybody, you're going to get mad at Chris

00:53:13.600 Harrison.

00:53:14.000 Like, he doesn't inspire the ire of most normal people.

00:53:18.240 And Don Lemon gave him absolutely no grace.

00:53:24.040 We pulled the interview from the night Don Lemon covered this with a contestant who was

00:53:30.020 on the forgive me.

00:53:31.380 I actually don't know the other woman.

00:53:32.500 She was either a journalist or contestant, but he's doing an interview with somebody about

00:53:36.320 the issue.

00:53:38.060 And here he is talking about Chris Harrison and his apology.

00:53:42.680 Why do you think Chris Harrison was willing to give Rachel Kirkconnell so much room for

00:53:49.340 her hurtful actions yet couldn't muster an empathy towards communities of color?

00:53:54.940 I don't know if these apologies are sincere or what have you.

00:53:57.740 Chris has been on this earth for five decades.

00:53:59.920 He hasn't had to deal with these issues.

00:54:03.020 He hasn't taken the opportunity or the chance in almost 50 years, especially doing what

00:54:09.480 he does in the history of this show, to learn about racism and America.

00:54:15.200 That's actually the definition of privilege, because he kept talking about the woke police

00:54:20.060 and all of this.

00:54:21.500 And we know that terminology is used by people who want to be able to say and do racist things.

00:54:30.160 My God.

00:54:31.220 Does he even hear like, I wonder if he would even hear himself if he listened to that clip

00:54:38.720 you just played, which I hope you are, Don.

00:54:40.580 I know.

00:54:41.200 Oh, he'll hear it.

00:54:43.600 What we just saw.

00:54:44.680 Or is he so narcissistic that it would be way over his head?

00:54:49.320 Can you I mean, it's dead on if you just substitute in women and sexism for the racism.

00:54:55.760 Right.

00:54:56.860 Where's your empathy?

00:54:57.880 Where's your empathy, Don, for women?

00:55:00.040 Where's your empathy for us?

00:55:01.900 You've been on this earth for five decades.

00:55:04.600 Haven't you learned by this point what makes a sexist and what doesn't?

00:55:09.940 I, too, question the sincerity of your apology.

00:55:13.500 Right.

00:55:13.660 Like all the things.

00:55:15.540 This is how Don Lemon reacts when somebody comes under fire, whenever it comes to race.

00:55:20.540 Right.

00:55:20.960 That's his now.

00:55:21.880 That's his new issue.

00:55:22.800 He stumbled on it within the past five years.

00:55:24.320 He used to sound more like Bill Cosby.

00:55:26.660 Pull your pants up.

00:55:27.520 Stop it.

00:55:27.940 Now he went totally woke.

00:55:29.960 And now he's got to be the moral arbiter on race, on many things, in fact.

00:55:34.280 And here, if you don't believe the Chris Harrison example, is a little montage of how he has

00:55:39.660 sounded about our country and prominent figures in it over the past five years.

00:55:44.140 And it's yet another example of why he doesn't deserve the grace of anybody right now.

00:55:50.300 He's never afforded it to anyone.

00:55:53.220 Here he is.

00:55:54.780 This is CNN Tonight.

00:55:56.540 I'm Don Lemon.

00:55:57.840 The president of the United States is racist.

00:56:01.880 His supporters made excuses, continue to make excuses for him.

00:56:07.140 What does it say about you that no matter what, no matter what, you continue to make excuses for

00:56:15.340 this man, for his vile behavior, this sort of vile behavior?

00:56:19.400 I want to hear now, to the co-workers, to the people of color you work with on this

00:56:23.740 network every single day, who are offended by your remark.

00:56:27.200 You're not listening to us.

00:56:28.780 Sharon Osbourne, having it out with her co-host following Piers Morgan's attacks on the Duchess

00:56:34.500 of Sussex.

00:56:35.360 If she apologized, I'm sorry, whatever, that's fine.

00:56:38.100 I didn't see a, hey, Sheryl Underwood, I'm sorry for the way I treated you, how I spoke

00:56:44.200 to you, that I disrespected you on national television.

00:56:47.460 I didn't see that at all.

00:56:49.380 You know when an apology is sincere, right?

00:56:52.740 That was not sincere.

00:56:54.580 And she didn't apologize to the right people.

00:56:58.080 Oh my gosh.

00:56:59.620 Oh my gosh.

00:57:01.680 It's unbelievable.

00:57:03.300 What a hypocrite.

00:57:05.160 Oh my goodness.

00:57:06.640 And you know what?

00:57:07.320 I think this is what bothers me, Megan, is where is Nikki Haley right now?

00:57:11.800 Like, why isn't Nikki Haley punching back for all women saying, absolutely not.

00:57:17.160 Will you disrespect me like this?

00:57:19.220 Why aren't you talking about Joe Biden's prime?

00:57:23.380 Yeah, right.

00:57:24.040 Exactly.

00:57:24.700 Or John's prime.

00:57:25.440 When was he in his prime?

00:57:26.580 I don't even think he ever had a prime.

00:57:28.220 There was no prime.

00:57:29.220 There was a brief time in the prime time and it ended quickly.

00:57:32.360 Yeah.

00:57:32.460 No, no, it's unbelievable.

00:57:34.140 Like all the things, including what you just said, Carrie, where he, you know, there was

00:57:38.680 no specific apology, right?

00:57:40.240 He didn't get, and what you said, Britt, right?

00:57:42.260 Like he didn't apologize to any specific group.

00:57:44.620 That's what he's mad about.

00:57:45.700 He's teaching us how to do the apology.

00:57:47.440 Why didn't we hear that, Don, in your stupid, feckless tweet?

00:57:52.000 We didn't even get an on-air version of your stupid tweet.

00:57:55.220 Never mind a specific, hey, Nikki Haley, I'm sorry, women of the world.

00:57:59.100 I'm sorry, and then going on, talking about, they're making excuses.

00:58:02.520 What does it say?

00:58:03.660 Those who make excuses.

00:58:05.420 Oh, meanwhile, he's going with the, some of my best friends are women defense.

00:58:08.980 That's an excuse, Don.

00:58:10.640 I was inartful.

00:58:11.860 That's an excuse.

00:58:13.020 And talking about what was most important to him.

00:58:15.520 People are offended.

00:58:17.100 They're offended.

00:58:18.200 Speak to their offense.

00:58:19.720 Hello, preacher, heal thyself.

00:58:22.480 You've offended more than half America with your inane, dumbass, sexist comments.

00:58:26.860 Speak to us, and not in a stupid tweet.

00:58:29.780 Oh, never mind, because we won't believe you anyway at this point.

00:58:32.300 Yeah.

00:58:32.600 Yeah, I think he views himself as a protected class, and so he can do no wrong.

00:58:38.060 And that's showing.

00:58:39.020 And honestly, I think that's going to be his downfall.

00:58:41.160 It's his hubris.

00:58:42.100 It makes him so untrustworthy and so duplicitous that it makes him irrelevant.

00:58:48.520 Like, I have no desire, if I ever did, want to watch him.

00:58:50.980 And seeing that that you just showed is so sobering because it shows that he's a hypocrite.

00:58:57.200 And he thinks he's so protected that he is like God.

00:59:00.460 He's a narcissist.

00:59:01.680 And so I think that is what will make him irrelevant.

00:59:05.220 You're right, Britt.

00:59:05.700 And can I tell you, so CNN has supported him all these years.

00:59:08.720 They've allowed him to go on the air and spew that hate and pro-cancel people like Chris

00:59:15.020 Harrison and the ruination of people's careers, the absolutely no quarter for anybody like

00:59:20.440 a Sharon Osbourne.

00:59:21.480 What Sharon Osbourne did?

00:59:22.920 Absolutely nothing.

00:59:24.020 She did absolutely nothing wrong.

00:59:25.640 But he wants to go out there and excoriate her and make her apologize for what?

00:59:29.360 She was attacked by her co-host.

00:59:31.060 That's what happened to her for having the nerve to say, Piers Morgan's allowed to have

00:59:34.640 an opinion about Meghan Markle.

00:59:35.960 By the way, Piers Morgan was 100% right about his opinion on Meghan Markle.

00:59:39.240 So for years now, CNN has been supporting this messaging of his.

00:59:43.520 Absolutely no grace for anybody.

00:59:45.280 And now when he's got his 25th offense, right, if you want to go down the lane of stupidity,

00:59:50.300 we're much higher than that.

00:59:51.160 But on sexist comments, there's a long list.

00:59:53.460 And I don't say everything he said.

00:59:55.320 Like he got in trouble for saying people want to watch men's sports more than they want

00:59:58.160 to watch women's.

00:59:58.800 That's that's why the men get paid.

01:00:00.200 I actually didn't find that particularly sexist.

01:00:01.960 I have to be honest, I don't include that in the list.

01:00:04.300 I've only zeroed in on the ones that are very obvious.

01:00:06.560 They're on the damn nose.

01:00:08.380 And this is why CNN is on the hook.

01:00:11.820 You have him out there with a blowtorch.

01:00:15.020 Every night for five years.

01:00:16.880 And then he steps in it repeatedly.

01:00:19.340 And you want us to forgive him?

01:00:21.900 Why should we?

01:00:24.000 Well, I think it was Charlie Kirk recently.

01:00:26.220 I think it was yesterday where he he he tweeted something that said it was so powerful.

01:00:31.400 It was like, and I'm paraphrasing, but something along the lines of like, are we back to protecting

01:00:36.800 women like or have the feminists completely like disregarded women altogether?

01:00:41.420 Because I feel like that's where we're at.

01:00:43.260 That's why Don got away with this.

01:00:44.920 The feminists, they're not pissed off about this.

01:00:48.680 They're they're oddly silent.

01:00:50.440 You've got like normal liberals.

01:00:52.040 So this the sexist comments, the only people that are offended by it are women.

01:00:56.840 But the women are not speaking out.

01:01:00.040 That's the problem.

01:01:00.820 That's why we have to push back.

01:01:02.740 Like, yeah.

01:01:03.240 So here's the women are the ones now that are the true.

01:01:05.660 Normal, you've got normal liberals who are mad.

01:01:08.420 Like I cited some of them on the air yesterday and they've spoken up to their credit.

01:01:12.500 And then you've got a group like ultraviolet who they're big in the Me Too movement and

01:01:17.220 things like that.

01:01:17.940 They've they've issued some sort of a statement.

01:01:19.740 But then here's what happens, Carrie.

01:01:21.200 But here's what happens.

01:01:21.820 They go totally silent.

01:01:23.100 They don't push it.

01:01:23.960 They don't push it the way they would push it over a Tucker or Sean Hannity or, you know,

01:01:27.600 somebody who was on the right.

01:01:28.740 Because you're right.

01:01:29.440 He is in a protected class.

01:01:30.740 A couple of them.

01:01:32.500 Yeah.

01:01:32.740 Why aren't they showing up at CNN with their pussy wearing hats?

01:01:36.140 You know, chanting women's lives matter.

01:01:38.940 Like, yeah.

01:01:39.840 And you know what I want to know?

01:01:40.860 I want to know if he had made those comments about a trans woman, would he still be sitting

01:01:46.560 there?

01:01:47.360 Yes.

01:01:47.940 Because what it really is revealing is, yes, he is the protected class, but it's showing

01:01:52.860 who is OK to be the punching bag in society as well.

01:01:55.900 Yes.

01:01:56.260 And I can guarantee you if those comments had been directed at a trans woman, there's no

01:02:01.860 way.

01:02:02.280 There is no way because it would have been virtue for CNN to have.

01:02:05.420 Let him go.

01:02:06.580 And they would have made a huge it would have been a huge situation.

01:02:09.340 But because it was about a natural woman, it's very irritating.

01:02:12.960 And it shows you how backwards our society is.

01:02:14.980 And it's really showing you how the power structures are are being played out.

01:02:20.140 Great.

01:02:20.620 Yes.

01:02:20.820 I said this on my show yesterday.

01:02:22.300 Does does our offense matter?

01:02:24.700 And it's not I'm not quick to get offended.

01:02:26.460 Truly.

01:02:26.820 I mean, it takes a lot.

01:02:27.580 Trust me.

01:02:27.880 I'm Irish, but all these people have been canceled because they caused offense.

01:02:33.900 Chris Harrison is canceled because Don Lemon went on the air and excoriated him for causing

01:02:40.980 offense.

01:02:41.760 Actually, his offense was he wasn't offended enough by this woman's, you know, attendance

01:02:47.840 at a party.

01:02:49.300 Right.

01:02:49.780 That was my offense at NBC, too.

01:02:51.180 I wasn't offended enough by the fact that people used to wear blackface costumes, right?

01:02:55.120 Like even the mere lack of offense can get you canceled.

01:02:59.180 But for when it comes to women, you can offend virtually all of us and it's fine.

01:03:05.660 You can keep your job.

01:03:06.460 No problem.

01:03:07.080 You offend Don Lemon.

01:03:08.980 You are fired.

01:03:10.100 Your ass is fired.

01:03:11.220 You offend Dylan Mulvaney, this trans activist.

01:03:14.760 Your ass is fired.

01:03:16.180 You offend women.

01:03:17.180 And I mean, women from the left, women from the right, young women, old women.

01:03:22.520 You're fine.

01:03:23.440 You're good.

01:03:23.880 Why don't you just tweet something out?

01:03:25.360 No problem.

01:03:26.700 Right.

01:03:26.960 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

01:03:30.860 So sad.

01:03:32.380 And it's it's frustrating.

01:03:34.060 This is what you guys have been.

01:03:35.300 There's no consistency.

01:03:36.080 That's the problem is, you know, there's no consistency across the board.

01:03:39.860 If Sean Hannity said that he'd be off the air today.

01:03:43.260 Done.

01:03:44.300 Don Lemon would probably be on the air excoriating him.

01:03:47.000 Yeah.

01:03:47.700 Yeah.

01:03:47.960 But Don, he's got this liberal privilege that he can just offend Nikki Haley.

01:03:52.260 Why doesn't he sit down with Nikki Haley and have a one on one discussion with her?

01:03:56.360 How about that?

01:03:57.560 Yeah.

01:03:57.740 And did you guys catch to like I just to go into it a little bit.

01:04:01.520 But when he said that she was past her prime and, you know, the co-hosts were clearly shocked.

01:04:06.620 And then I think one of them asked, like, well, what?

01:04:09.460 How do you determine the prime?

01:04:10.740 And he cited Google and he was like, well, you know, like Google.

01:04:15.120 And this is like someone we're supposed to trust for our like news and information.

01:04:19.120 No, like he's making himself completely irrelevant.

01:04:22.140 But it is indicative of a cultural problem at large where you have protected classes and

01:04:29.240 you have classes that are no longer protected and are the punching bag that are allowed.

01:04:33.520 And like Kerry just said, it's totally inconsistent.

01:04:35.900 But I just thought it was hilarious that he cited, you know, Google.

01:04:39.720 The Google.

01:04:40.340 The Google.

01:04:41.000 Yeah.

01:04:41.180 Well, that's why now it's gone past Don Lemon.

01:04:43.480 Now this is about CNN.

01:04:44.920 This is about Chris Licht.

01:04:46.080 Yes.

01:04:46.420 And where he stands.

01:04:47.780 This this stank wasn't on him until he decided to handle it this way.

01:04:53.340 And I mean, nobody believes in this fake reeducation camp.

01:04:56.940 He's not going to go be deprogrammed on his sexism.

01:04:59.540 Please spare me.

01:05:00.660 And the same way he didn't believe anybody's apology.

01:05:03.040 We don't believe his.

01:05:04.280 So we'll see.

01:05:05.340 I mean, if I were at CNN right now and I had any power whatsoever, like I did at Fox News,

01:05:09.520 I would be in the boss's office saying this is insane.

01:05:12.600 You can't get away with this.

01:05:13.640 The way you're handling this is an affront to us all.

01:05:17.340 And all the women anchors at CNN should be in the office today demanding action.

01:05:22.640 Right.

01:05:23.280 Shame.

01:05:23.560 Right.

01:05:23.760 Where are they?

01:05:24.660 Why haven't they said anything publicly?

01:05:26.220 Like somebody should say something publicly.

01:05:28.840 They should say, look, I mean, Jake Tapper said something about Chris Cuomo when he crossed

01:05:35.340 that ethical line to his credit.

01:05:37.560 Right.

01:05:38.080 He was like, that was not OK what he did.

01:05:40.460 Um, what where are the where's Dana Bash who Don Lemon cited as a friend?

01:05:45.760 Let's hear you.

01:05:46.460 OK, let's hear what you have to say about your friend.

01:05:48.580 Right.

01:05:49.200 Somebody over there should stand up for his female co-host who he's bullying.

01:05:52.640 They've said absolutely nothing.

01:05:55.080 Absolutely.

01:05:55.560 Or even ad partners like ad partners.

01:05:57.620 Are they walking?

01:05:58.700 Are they over it?

01:06:00.320 Good question.

01:06:00.740 You know, there's there's so much power in supporting the narcissist and he's only as

01:06:06.280 powerful as the support and the protection he gets.

01:06:08.480 So it's on everyone who's supporting this, his co-hosts, the CNN at large, and then any

01:06:15.360 ad partners, too.

01:06:16.800 I mean, they're all complicit.

01:06:18.360 If they're silent in this, their silence is complicit.

01:06:20.860 And yes, it's not didn't do anything violent, but it was extremely offensive.

01:06:25.820 It was uneducated and it was very rude.

01:06:28.220 And he didn't come out with a robust apology that read as he was truly remorseful.

01:06:34.500 And so for all of that mess, like for CNN to not make any sort of a public apology and

01:06:40.840 then take him off of their platform for ad partners to not pull and for the co-hosts

01:06:46.360 to not make public statements.

01:06:47.380 I think it's an indication, again, of just like how backwards our society is.

01:06:52.280 And hopefully, hopefully they'll hear this and they'll make changes.

01:06:55.520 But right now it doesn't look good.

01:06:56.780 It doesn't look good on CNN.

01:06:58.580 It does not at all.

01:06:59.740 No, it's I mean, look, there's they've got a lot of work to do over there with him and

01:07:03.980 it won't be long at all before something else comes out about Don Lemon.

01:07:06.780 That's just who he is.

01:07:08.480 But good luck, CNN.

01:07:09.660 Good luck dealing with that.

01:07:10.980 OK, speaking of trans women, we've got to talk about this shop teacher up in Canada.

01:07:17.600 I'm sorry, but it's getting even more bizarre.

01:07:19.820 You guys know the story.

01:07:21.040 So there's this it's a biological man who goes by Kayla Lemieux and Kayla is up in Canada

01:07:29.440 and Kayla is the one who wears the enormous, fake, clearly prosthetic breasts with the

01:07:36.300 clearly prosthetic, enormous nipples.

01:07:40.440 Kayla looks absurd.

01:07:41.980 No one is fooled that this is a woman.

01:07:43.620 This is a biological man.

01:07:45.660 Kayla became a trans woman, I think, like 10 years ago, late in life and teaches shop

01:07:51.340 up in Canada with those enormous prosthetic breasts inches away from the saw machines.

01:07:56.740 It's from sudden death.

01:07:58.340 It's not safe.

01:07:59.440 It's not safe.

01:08:00.120 And now Kayla is in the news because Kayla gave an interview to The New York Post.

01:08:07.820 They have this exclusive interview with Kayla and Kayla is denying that those are prosthetic

01:08:14.940 breasts.

01:08:15.920 Oh, give me a break.

01:08:17.760 No, no, absolutely not.

01:08:20.960 Quoting, these are real.

01:08:23.860 This condition is classified as gigantamastia.

01:08:29.800 No.

01:08:30.100 So now her now her tits identify as real.

01:08:35.040 You can't make this up.

01:08:37.100 No, it's a hard no on this.

01:08:40.220 Kayla says it's very rare.

01:08:42.840 It's very rare.

01:08:43.880 It affects women on a very rare basis.

01:08:47.340 But in my case, I have now Kayla's claiming to be intersex that Kayla says I have XX chromosomes

01:08:53.880 as well as the XY and hormone sensitivity to estrogen has caused it.

01:09:00.620 I'm just going to go right out and say this is a big lie.

01:09:04.120 This lie is almost as big as those fake big boots.

01:09:06.460 This is not true.

01:09:10.020 Oh, my God.

01:09:10.740 That's my opinion.

01:09:11.660 I don't believe you, Kayla.

01:09:14.220 My gosh.

01:09:14.800 Wait, is this serious?

01:09:15.940 Like this, the dude really went on and had this interview and said this?

01:09:19.080 This actually happened.

01:09:20.200 And now there is an allegation that Kayla doesn't even wear her very real boobs when she is outside

01:09:30.800 of the classroom.

01:09:32.300 Oh, I did see that.

01:09:33.360 The Post talks about how there was somebody photographed by the Post just last week driving

01:09:39.920 out of Kayla's apartment building and walking on a sidewalk a short time later.

01:09:43.880 That person who was dressed in men's clothing and did not have breasts, never mind gigantumastia

01:09:50.300 breasts.

01:09:51.200 Look at this.

01:09:51.700 This is the split screen.

01:09:53.120 Oh, my God.

01:09:53.820 There's a lot going on on this screen.

01:09:55.560 People, you need to go to YouTube to look at this later if you're listening.

01:09:58.140 Bore a striking resemblance to Kayla and was identified by a neighbor as Kayla Lemieux.

01:10:04.500 Now, Kayla denies.

01:10:06.300 Kayla is on the left with the enormous pink sweater, breasts and whatever.

01:10:09.800 And then this person on the right, we believe is Kayla, according to the neighbor.

01:10:14.020 But Kayla is denying that Kayla ever takes off the breasts because, again, they are 100%

01:10:18.480 real.

01:10:18.800 And here's where I'm going with this.

01:10:22.920 Oh, my gosh.

01:10:24.260 If this is Kayla, if Kayla is actually a man outside of the classroom and puts on those

01:10:29.180 enormous fake boobs to go into the classroom, Kayla is a sick person.

01:10:32.980 Kayla has a sick sexual fetish.

01:10:35.280 And Kayla should not be working with children.

01:10:37.500 But up in Canada, they're like, to each his own, live and let live.

01:10:41.700 Don't be such a bigot.

01:10:42.840 OK, I have a question.

01:10:46.540 Do you think there's any chance that he is just the master troll and he is trolling everyone

01:10:54.320 with these big old fake boobs and taking these ridiculous interviews and making absurd claims

01:11:00.340 just to troll everyone to show them how ridiculous this ideology is?

01:11:06.360 Is there any chance?

01:11:07.520 I'm praying.

01:11:08.260 I'm hoping if he weren't Canadian, I would say yes.

01:11:12.540 Yes.

01:11:12.840 That sounds like an American thing to do.

01:11:14.720 You know, the Canadians, they're not that way.

01:11:16.640 They're kind of nice.

01:11:17.900 I don't know.

01:11:18.280 They're not trolls.

01:11:20.280 I think this is a sick person.

01:11:21.980 And by the way, I think the jig would have been up by now.

01:11:23.820 I think Kayla already had enough press coverage.

01:11:27.040 You know, the person would have come out.

01:11:29.260 But it's actually I mean, it's like it's it's getting actually insane.

01:11:32.820 And listen to this by The New York Post with an amazing report.

01:11:36.120 Kayla sat down with the post when asked about her prominent nipples, because we all know

01:11:41.920 nipples like that do not exist in real life.

01:11:43.900 They're like Lemieux declined to answer.

01:11:47.820 So this is where Kayla drew the line with the post would not.

01:11:52.200 You know, the breasts, I guess, are real.

01:11:53.700 But the nipples was she Kayla wouldn't go there.

01:11:56.540 And Kayla says this is body shaming.

01:12:02.440 No, you know, I said he said it was body shaming.

01:12:04.920 This is all body shaming.

01:12:06.240 All the coverage.

01:12:06.780 That's what he said.

01:12:07.840 And the coverage of how Kayla dresses in the shop class.

01:12:10.760 This is by bigoted body shamers as opposed to, you know, loving, supportive, open minded

01:12:15.960 people who just have to accept Kayla the way Kayla is.

01:12:19.220 This is what Kayla said.

01:12:20.220 I people are people.

01:12:21.520 It's it's we shouldn't be so focused on how they look.

01:12:24.160 People look the way they look.

01:12:25.640 They can't help it.

01:12:26.900 You should embrace the way you are.

01:12:28.440 You should be confident in the person you are.

01:12:30.520 That's what you kill.

01:12:31.080 You can do whatever the hell you want, but don't dress like that or look like that while

01:12:34.900 you're teaching my child.

01:12:35.960 That's all.

01:12:36.680 Get out.

01:12:37.360 Get out of the school.

01:12:39.100 Very simple.

01:12:40.460 I feel like your post that you did, Megan, about the gynecology and getting your, you

01:12:45.760 know, a pap smear really hit home for so many women.

01:12:48.960 And I feel like they resonated with that.

01:12:52.140 Like being a woman is not just putting on fake breasts and claiming they're real.

01:12:57.620 Like that's you're right.

01:12:58.720 That is he's mentally ill, but it's like this idea that men can just mock women, the most

01:13:05.720 sacred parts of who we are.

01:13:07.940 You know, I had mastitis and I felt like I was going to die when I was pregnant, when

01:13:12.500 I, when I was nursing.

01:13:14.180 And, you know, the fact that he can just make up these false claims about his breasts and

01:13:18.980 his nipples, it is so deeply offensive and we laugh, but it's like, if you really think

01:13:24.360 about it, this is such a war on women.

01:13:26.900 And look, he's protected.

01:13:28.580 He is totally protected.

01:13:30.620 He's the victim.

01:13:31.600 If you try to say you're mentally ill, oh, he'll sue you.

01:13:35.140 That's where we're at in society.

01:13:36.600 And that's why we have to push back against this.

01:13:39.460 I love what you said.

01:13:40.420 And it's like, if you, if you, there was a store on the Upper West Side where I lived

01:13:44.040 when I had my three kids, where if you went in and you asked for, we used to call it a

01:13:48.020 hooter hider, you know, like a modesty shield for when you're nursing your baby, they would

01:13:51.840 charge you a dollar because these are Upper West Side liberals who are like, no, show the

01:13:55.320 breast.

01:13:55.640 The breast is not to be sexualized.

01:13:57.100 The breast is an organ that helps a baby survive.

01:13:59.360 That was a bridge too far for me, but I kind of got a kick out of the whole, you know,

01:14:02.540 messaging.

01:14:02.920 You'd have to put a dollar into their hooter hider jar if you ask for one.

01:14:06.360 But it's kind of, it kind of dovetails on what you're saying.

01:14:08.980 And in this way, you know, women of the right who are standing up for this have become

01:14:13.480 the new feminists.

01:14:14.640 We're there with, with people who are probably in that store feeling very much the same saying,

01:14:19.660 ladies, we need to stick together on this because that's what you're saying, that the

01:14:23.920 breast is not a sexual organ.

01:14:26.300 The breast is there for a real function.

01:14:28.200 It feeds a baby.

01:14:29.180 It's not to have fake nipples put all over it and blown up into these fake enormous sizes

01:14:33.660 shoved in these tight sweaters by a man who teaches children.

01:14:36.960 That's just weird.

01:14:38.280 There's something off about it.

01:14:40.020 And you know, it's funny because when I, when I did that bit, I had just been to the guy

01:14:43.320 gynecologist, which is why the woman, the trans woman saying she'd been to the gynecologist

01:14:47.000 was absurd to me.

01:14:48.140 But on this front, because it's January, I do all my doctor's appointments, you know,

01:14:51.540 annual, I just went and got my annual mammography mammogram.

01:14:56.280 And it is, it's another thing where like the breast can be kind of scary, you know, having

01:15:01.540 breast is a responsibility and a blessing.

01:15:03.260 And it can be kind of scary where you have to sit and you wait and you, you're with the

01:15:06.400 other ladies in the waiting room and you're kind of tense and you're a little nervous

01:15:09.260 and everybody realizes what a bad result could mean.

01:15:12.480 And you know, it's, it hurts and they squeeze the breast and you have to do it.

01:15:16.420 And then the radiologist comes and you have to go down the hall and sit with him or her.

01:15:19.860 And she tells you like, how'd I do on the exam?

01:15:22.780 Like what, what, what bad happened, if any, and do I need a biopsy?

01:15:26.380 All of which I've been through surgical biopsy, very fucking scary.

01:15:30.420 And then a lot of us have dense breasts.

01:15:32.900 If you're young in particular, then you got to go sit for an ultrasound.

01:15:35.240 It's a whole thing.

01:15:36.900 It's a whole thing.

01:15:38.280 And we've also had the blessing of breastfeeding our babies and understanding the beauty and

01:15:41.320 the love and the sustenance that comes from it.

01:15:43.080 And we don't really want to see our breasts mocked and made into some ridiculous parody

01:15:48.960 by someone who clearly is not mentally well.

01:15:52.580 Yes.

01:15:53.660 Yeah.

01:15:53.880 Yeah.

01:15:54.280 And it's like, how dare it's, it's that feeling of how dare you?

01:15:58.900 Like how, how dare you take something that is sacred to us women, claim it for yourself

01:16:05.840 and then make it a mockery, a cartoon, an exaggeration.

01:16:10.320 It's, it's come to the point too.

01:16:12.360 It's so sad that seeing this guy, like with these huge prosthetic boobs and nipples, like

01:16:18.700 that, this is so normal now that we almost don't even like bat an eye, you know, but it's

01:16:24.020 so outrageous and it is extremely offensive.

01:16:26.540 And you said something a minute ago about the blackface, you know, and how that we, we

01:16:31.480 talked, we've talked about that before too, but how is what we're seeing now any different?

01:16:37.880 If anything, it's almost more offensive because it's not being done as an act.

01:16:44.280 It's being done in a way that we're supposed to accept as real life, that this is real and

01:16:51.040 you can't disagree with it because if you do, you're a bigot, it's woman face, but it's

01:16:55.800 a whole body.

01:16:56.940 They are appropriating our gender and the things that make us sacred beings and different

01:17:02.600 than men.

01:17:03.360 And then we're supposed to hush up and not say anything about it.

01:17:07.300 It's, it's extremely disturbing and it's highly offensive.

01:17:12.240 And very sexist, to be honest.

01:17:14.700 But it's so true, especially like the Kayla Lemieux case really brings it home because Kayla's

01:17:20.240 not just some trans person who's got gender dysphoria.

01:17:24.340 I really believe Kayla's working out a sexual fetish on our kids, especially if Kayla runs

01:17:29.680 around looking like a biological man in her downtime.

01:17:31.940 That, then that means Kayla's working out her, she's getting off on in the presence of our

01:17:38.540 children and therefore Kayla shouldn't be there.

01:17:40.840 This is why we actually, they had yet another school board meeting up there about Kayla and

01:17:45.260 whether they should change dress codes to disallow this kind of, you know, wardrobe and behavior

01:17:51.380 in the class.

01:17:52.120 And even in Canada, the parents were mad.

01:17:55.960 We have a small clip of what happened.

01:17:57.760 I think it was just last night.

01:17:58.820 It was just the other night up in Canada about Kayla.

01:18:01.580 Oh, last week.

01:18:02.140 Okay.

01:18:02.280 Watch this.

01:18:02.700 That we want to ensure that all the voices of the community are heard.

01:18:11.480 That's what we want.

01:18:12.440 We want to be able to hear your voices.

01:18:14.520 If there are pieces within that order, please.

01:18:20.520 Order, please.

01:18:21.440 Thank you.

01:18:22.180 I will have to ask you to leave if you're going to continue to disrupt the meeting.

01:18:26.160 I think this is all a waste of time, right?

01:18:28.200 Uh, all that they needed to do was affirm that the values and beliefs that are contained

01:18:33.480 in the student dress code apply to the teachers.

01:18:36.740 That's what they should have done in September.

01:18:40.020 So here's the thing, gals, they're fighting back even in Canada.

01:18:43.240 And we had you on not long ago to talk about the why out in California, that's where you

01:18:47.320 are.

01:18:47.920 And the fact that the 17 year old girl, Rebecca stood up to say, I was subjected to a

01:18:52.160 nude trans person in the women's bathroom and I object.

01:18:55.240 And that's turned into a big thing.

01:18:56.660 And now there's, there's a revolt over that out where you are.

01:19:01.800 We talked about how you gals went to the community meeting to say, this cannot stand.

01:19:07.300 They cannot be having this at the Y and all these trans activists were there.

01:19:11.580 It was so dicey.

01:19:13.380 You had to be escorted out by the sheriff's department because they had all the activists

01:19:17.540 there.

01:19:18.380 Well, isn't it interesting when they had their next meeting, when the activist didn't

01:19:23.320 plural activists did not get on their planes and their trains to drive in.

01:19:28.220 It was just the community.

01:19:29.460 There was almost nobody objecting on the other side.

01:19:32.560 They were all with you.

01:19:33.500 The latest community meeting was 100% your way because the loud, angry activist crowd

01:19:39.460 did not fly in and train in and drive in to try to take over what happens in your town.

01:19:44.840 Yeah, you're absolutely right.

01:19:50.060 I mean, when Britt and I went the first time, literally she and I were the only two that

01:19:54.260 were opposing this tranny in the women's locker room.

01:19:57.600 I mean, you remember it, Britt.

01:19:58.960 It was pretty scary.

01:20:00.860 It was scary.

01:20:01.920 It was one of the, we've done a ton of county meetings and city meetings and because we're

01:20:07.760 passionate and we, that's our role as citizens in society is to be engaged.

01:20:12.180 And this was the first that Carrie and I were genuinely concerned about leaving because the

01:20:19.040 heat was so strong in that room.

01:20:21.620 It was myself and Carrie and the activists showed up and there was no way, knowing Santee

01:20:27.820 and what Santee is like, it's like farm country out there.

01:20:31.880 There is no way that the people who showed up were part of Santee community.

01:20:36.880 But we were called, words like turf, which I had never heard of, but we were called haters.

01:20:42.180 Our unloving, our Christianity was mocked and it was a very dark presence.

01:20:48.480 And honestly, like that goes into like the spiritual warfare aspect of it.

01:20:51.540 Like you don't leave a meeting like that without feeling how dark and demonic this all is rooted

01:20:57.760 in.

01:20:58.600 You have grown men trying to get into little girls locker rooms where you have five-year-olds

01:21:05.160 coming out of ballet and changing.

01:21:08.020 And then there's a grownup 56 year old who is a male right there naked.

01:21:14.300 And one of the things that I heard again and again and again at that meeting from the activists

01:21:19.280 was, well, what if he chopped his penis off?

01:21:22.460 You know, then he's a woman.

01:21:23.640 And it's like, that's even more terrifying.

01:21:26.460 It's even more terrifying that he's cut off a limb.

01:21:29.220 You know, somehow we've made it so that poof magic, if you cut off a limb and give yourself

01:21:35.280 a wound between your thighs, you're a woman.

01:21:37.460 How degrading that that's what makes us a woman and that in society now that's the magic.

01:21:45.180 If you cut off a limb and put a wound between your thighs, you're a woman.

01:21:49.340 That's all we're worth.

01:21:50.760 That's our only value.

01:21:52.020 Are you freaking kidding me?

01:21:53.820 And guess what?

01:21:54.400 Yeah, I totally agree with you, Britt.

01:21:57.240 And guess, Megan, I don't know if you've seen the update, but guess what the why decided

01:22:01.220 after that meeting?

01:22:02.860 You're not going to believe it.

01:22:03.660 I saw something absurd about how like you can no longer take off your clothes in the

01:22:07.160 locker room.

01:22:07.980 Yeah.

01:22:08.260 So guess what?

01:22:09.300 Now, now the little girls have to go into a nasty bathroom stall with pee on the ground

01:22:16.180 and change.

01:22:17.140 So now women are now have to suffer because of a dude.

01:22:22.000 I mean, it is so absurd and mind boggling that this is happening in the United States

01:22:28.680 of America.

01:22:29.660 Like, and the way that they keep going for is it's to protect, like, I have it right

01:22:34.200 here, but it's that.

01:22:35.620 And it's what everyone says is it's to protect the mental health of the trans individual.

01:22:42.980 It's like, what about the mental health as a little girl?

01:22:45.480 And the women.

01:22:46.700 Britt, what's scary?

01:22:48.220 What's scary is that the next meeting, is it going to be that they're protecting pedophiles?

01:22:52.600 Like, if you can just say, you know, oh, we're going to protect all.

01:22:56.180 And, you know, that trans, you know, dude, his life matters more than Rebecca's.

01:23:01.780 Like, what happens next?

01:23:03.220 The pedophile gets to go in and watch little girls and like get to masturbate in the locker

01:23:07.900 room.

01:23:08.200 Well, that's what people are worried about.

01:23:09.800 That's what people are worried about is that the pedophiles are going to exploit this exception.

01:23:13.400 And it's not going to be all well-meaning trans people.

01:23:16.760 It's going to be perverts who try to exploit the exception to get in there.

01:23:20.260 I was thinking about this the other day.

01:23:21.400 I went, I went to like a spa before I got my hair done and, you know, could use the sauna.

01:23:27.220 And so you got to change out of your clothes and into your bathrobe, whatever.

01:23:30.820 And even at my age, right, even at my age, you feel a little self-conscious taking off

01:23:35.420 your clothes.

01:23:36.620 And this was definitely an all women's space.

01:23:38.560 You just do, right?

01:23:39.540 You're just not used to taking, to getting nude in front of a bunch of strangers.

01:23:43.180 And these people who write these policies and these laws just have absolutely no sensitivity

01:23:48.100 for, you know, you can times that by a hundred for a teenager or, you know, somebody younger

01:23:53.760 and then multiply by an even greater faction.

01:23:56.960 When you add a biological man into the mix, there's zero sensitivity for that.

01:24:04.980 Isn't what Riley Gaines, I think is her name.

01:24:07.880 She was the one who tied fifth with Leah Thomas and she was, where was it that she was just

01:24:13.740 at on a floor?

01:24:14.800 She was, um, Oh, was it Nebraska maybe, but she was talking about how, um, awful the experience

01:24:22.480 was that she was put in with, um, the other swimmers.

01:24:26.540 And she said, you know, to turn around and see a six foot, whatever man fully intact, disrobing

01:24:35.000 and looking at her while she's trying to take off her swimsuit was the most uncomfortable,

01:24:40.160 uh, vulnerable situation she's ever been put in.

01:24:43.460 And when they complained to their supervisors, um, the swimmer girls were told to go to an LGQB

01:24:51.020 counseling session so that they could learn to be more inclusive.

01:24:54.400 To be more tolerant.

01:24:55.680 Can I tell you something?

01:24:56.180 There's an update on Leah Thomas that is deeply disturbing, deeply disturbing.

01:24:59.840 I don't know if you saw this with the daily wire, um, did some reporting.

01:25:03.120 I'm sourcing them.

01:25:03.920 Not from, not from my own research, but they report that Leah Thomas has two Instagram accounts.

01:25:09.760 One is the public where they like, you know, a small handful of generic photos quoting

01:25:14.480 here from the daily wire, promoting messages like let trans kids play.

01:25:17.860 Then a private account that, that is Leah Thomas, T H I M A S quoting again, in our research,

01:25:26.040 we found, uh, the observant where's wow row who identified multiple Instagram posts about

01:25:33.440 something called auto-gynophilia.

01:25:36.140 Okay.

01:25:36.960 Auto-gynophilia is a male's propensity to be sexually aroused by the thought of himself as

01:25:43.100 a female and this Leah Thomas, who the daily wire reports is the Leah Thomas allegedly engaged

01:25:51.880 with these posts about AGP or, uh, auto-gynophilia positively on a number of occasions here.

01:26:00.200 I'm showing you an image of a, looks like a girl in a dress with a dog nose and an erect

01:26:06.460 penis staring at themselves.

01:26:08.520 There are, um, there are, uh, like very disturbing posts of men dressed as women, like doggy style

01:26:17.380 and other women, uh, of two men with erect penises, like holding each other, but one looks like

01:26:23.480 they're dressed like a woman.

01:26:25.100 Um, this, some of these posts were attributed to someone who is Leah's alleged romantic partner,

01:26:32.020 who is a biological male, trans female who calls Leah, his girlfriend.

01:26:36.520 I can't keep up, uh, that person.

01:26:39.260 I was just trying to keep up.

01:26:41.960 Well, they're fake lesbians because they're not actual women.

01:26:45.460 They're two guys.

01:26:46.560 They're two biological men who are pretending to be lesbians.

01:26:49.160 I guess they're more gay.

01:26:50.380 I don't, I have no idea.

01:26:51.480 We've crossed over.

01:26:52.280 Um, the, this, the girlfriend, Gwen posts and gets likes for posts, bikinis of Gwen with

01:27:02.400 a genital bulge, um, demonic themes on here.

01:27:07.140 And I'm like, there's some disturbing stuff on here by Leah Thomas liking these posts.

01:27:13.560 And this is her, this is Leah's partner in life.

01:27:15.940 Um, I'm just like trans is one thing working out your sexual fetishes in the locker room,

01:27:22.620 in the sweat, in the pool, um, and online while you're promoted by places like ABC and

01:27:28.040 ESPN and so on as the second coming is another.

01:27:33.040 Yeah.

01:27:33.620 I don't know if you, I Googled the world, the word poly cool.

01:27:37.080 I think that's how you say it.

01:27:38.320 Do you guys know what that means?

01:27:39.700 Yeah.

01:27:40.140 Like multiple.

01:27:41.460 Yeah.

01:27:41.860 So it's basically like there, it says, it says non-monogamous relationships, not committed

01:27:47.920 to one person at a time.

01:27:49.420 It could be sexual.

01:27:51.420 It could be, I mean, you could have like, you could be into dudes.

01:27:54.560 You could be into ladies.

01:27:55.500 You could be into, I mean, what's next.

01:27:57.280 Like, I mean, this opens the door and, and like Brit said earlier, it's this protected

01:28:02.100 class.

01:28:02.880 Like Leah Thomas is totally protected, totally protected more than us women are.

01:28:09.020 And Carrie, think about it.

01:28:10.420 Like if Leah Thomas has this, this auto-gynophilia thing that, that, that she's reportedly liking

01:28:15.300 online, again, sourcing the daily wire, um, that means Leah Thomas gets off when Leah Thomas

01:28:22.140 puts on the female bathing suit and gets in the pool with the other females.

01:28:27.340 And then the other females are running around naked because they have to in front of Leah

01:28:31.500 Thomas and something's deeply wrong.

01:28:33.640 Yeah.

01:28:34.120 It's a fetish.

01:28:34.700 Yeah.

01:28:35.320 It is a fetish.

01:28:36.380 And Genevieve Gluck, she's a author, um, one of the authors and investigators at Redux.

01:28:42.680 And I've watched her on countless interviews discussing the trans phenomenon and from a

01:28:48.740 very, um, measured place.

01:28:51.080 You know, she's a feminist.

01:28:51.980 She doesn't agree with everything that I, um, stand for and vice versa, but she is a wealth

01:28:57.520 of information.

01:28:58.340 And one of the things that she has pinpointed is, um, if you look at where trans historically,

01:29:05.260 what we're seeing now, like the Leah Thomas's and everything that daily wire is posting about

01:29:09.660 there, um, there's a connection to the porn industry.

01:29:13.720 And when you go down the rabbit hole, um, even back in the seventies, there was porn.

01:29:18.680 It's called sissy porn.

01:29:19.920 And the whole point of sissy porn was you would have two men and one man had to be humiliated.

01:29:26.140 And the, the humiliation would be that that man had to dress in women's outfits and high heels

01:29:33.360 and women's lingerie and wear lipstick.

01:29:36.300 And it was a part of this fetish.

01:29:39.100 Well, you had from that many men who started doing this in outside of the bedroom and the

01:29:45.500 trans movement back in the seventies, there is a very strong connection to this sissy porn

01:29:50.980 and this humiliation that, um, gave rise to the trans movement.

01:29:55.780 And it's interesting that daily wire is showing a similar connection to this getting off on this

01:30:03.980 autogynophilia, which is connected to that, you know?

01:30:06.860 And I think that overall, there's a concern that we have just, um, glossed over all that

01:30:12.820 and just assumed the best.

01:30:14.800 Yeah.

01:30:15.340 When, as you point out, when the girls objected on the UPenn team, they were the ones sent to

01:30:22.220 therapy, Leah Thomas apparently needs some therapy to get over the need to get off in cross-dressing

01:30:29.440 and possibly more assume that it's totally normal.

01:30:32.180 We're supposed to assume that that's normal and that our reaction is abnormal.

01:30:36.700 So we're the ones that need to be fixed.

01:30:38.700 And again, it goes back to the Don Lemon thing.

01:30:41.020 We are, we are the punching bag.

01:30:43.160 And also when his girlfriend, okay, she's a freaking weirdo.

01:30:47.960 She posted on her, whatever it was, Twitter, whatever, Instagram that Leah is going to bring

01:30:55.580 about the collapse of Western civilization.

01:30:58.180 Yeah.

01:30:58.820 Like totally saying that publicly.

01:31:02.400 It's very, that's exactly what's happening.

01:31:04.480 They're promising something that they're actually doing.

01:31:07.520 Like they're doing it in real time.

01:31:09.000 That's, I mean, that's the reason why it's like there, we deserve to investigate what's

01:31:15.700 actually happening as opposed to the narrative that's being fed to us.

01:31:19.160 Yeah.

01:31:19.580 And you know, I'm in the camp of, look, I know trans people.

01:31:22.240 I have trans people in my family and they are nothing like these people.

01:31:25.460 They're, they're kind and they're loving and they're respectful and they would never

01:31:28.220 want any of this shit.

01:31:29.220 They want to be left alone.

01:31:30.060 They want to lead a quiet life.

01:31:32.380 And they had genuine dysphoria and I, I can get behind their pronouns and being respectful

01:31:37.960 of them.

01:31:38.740 All this other shit needs to be fought.

01:31:40.560 It needs to be broken down.

01:31:41.700 It needs to be investigated.

01:31:42.780 And we need to stand up for the biological women who are forced to deal with this.

01:31:46.200 All right, ladies.

01:31:47.000 So tell me about battle cry.

01:31:49.000 We are so excited about battle cry.

01:31:51.380 You know, it was honestly born out of everything we were just talking about is we realize we're

01:31:55.960 at the tipping point in society and our rights, uh, as women are at stake because we're seeing

01:32:02.320 these new super rights being manufactured and given to men.

01:32:05.980 You know, men can now get into our locker rooms and our bathrooms and take our jobs and win

01:32:11.520 our awards.

01:32:12.800 And we reached a point where we're like, Hey, it's not okay.

01:32:17.340 We're not happy about this anymore.

01:32:19.280 And, um, we're, we're, um, finding the spirit of our grandmothers and our great grandmothers

01:32:24.940 who fought for their rights in society.

01:32:27.600 And so we founded along with our friend, Melissa, um, the battle cry and it's the battle cry.us.

01:32:34.720 And we are, um, we're going to push back against what is coming at women, this war on women

01:32:41.700 to protect our daughters and to stand, um, to stand for our rights.

01:32:46.340 So if people carry are dealing with this issue in their town, can they, can they join the battle

01:32:52.460 cry.us and get help from you guys?

01:32:54.480 Or how does it work?

01:32:56.120 Yes, absolutely.

01:32:56.820 You can head to our Instagram or Twitter.

01:32:58.520 It's the battle cry underscore us.

01:33:01.760 Okay.

01:33:01.960 And we are rallying the troops.

01:33:03.820 I mean, we are declaring that we are at war.

01:33:05.900 Like it is beyond playing nice and we are declaring war, the war on women, the war on men,

01:33:11.540 the war on children and the war on truth, objective truth.

01:33:15.200 If we lose that Megan, we are so screwed as a society.

01:33:18.360 And we're seeing right now the attack on women and that's what we're focusing on.

01:33:23.080 And so we want all women to shout their battle cry to us.

01:33:26.400 What makes you uniquely a woman?

01:33:28.080 Tell us your story.

01:33:29.300 We will share your story.

01:33:30.840 We want to elevate everyday women and say, this is your battle cry.

01:33:34.480 And we're shouting it from the rooftops and we will not be erased.

01:33:37.760 We will not be mocked and we will not be eliminated by men any longer.

01:33:42.640 Yes.

01:33:43.160 Oh, I'm shaking my head.

01:33:44.680 Yes.

01:33:44.920 As you're talking like, yes, I'm signing up.

01:33:47.040 I love it.

01:33:47.960 I'm glad you're getting organized.

01:33:49.320 You're too powerful a force to, you know, stay local.

01:33:51.940 You need to help and spread this message beyond.

01:33:54.660 It's such a pleasure.

01:33:55.680 Ladies, thank you so much as always, Carrie and Britt.

01:33:57.720 See you soon, I hope.

01:33:59.040 We love you.

01:33:59.980 Bye.

01:34:00.360 Love you too.

01:34:01.020 All right.

01:34:01.700 We're going to be back tomorrow with a special guest, Ben Shapiro back on the program.

01:34:05.060 There's so much to go over with him.

01:34:06.320 Oh my God, I can't wait.

01:34:08.100 And we'll also have a deep dive on the Alex Murdoch trial, which is getting intense.

01:34:14.540 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 22, 2023

Don Lemon Returns to CNN with His “Liberal Privilege,” How We Can Increase Longevity, with Dr. Mark Hyman, Britt Mayer, and Carrie Prejean Boller ｜ Ep. 498

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