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00:01:00.780 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:01:06.300 I'm so grateful to you all truly for coming out and spending this night with us.

00:01:16.420 I really genuinely feel like it's more important right now than ever, you know, for all the reasons.

00:01:22.000 And it took courage for all of you to come.

00:01:24.920 So I'm really grateful.

00:01:26.220 I'm grateful that you listen to the show or watch it and that we have a relationship that feels totally intimate and authentic in a weird, unusual, but authentic way.

00:01:35.300 It's funny because I don't get out enough.

00:01:40.760 You know, I say this on the show, but I spend most of my time in my studio and with my family.

00:01:45.460 I'm not doing a ton of red carpet events, but I feel like God lets you know every once in a while what you need.

00:01:51.020 You know, like God tells you, that little voice tells you to get out there because you need something.

00:01:57.200 Like when I went and I spoke for Trump the night before the vote.

00:02:00.960 I knew I needed to do it.

00:02:02.780 And then when I went and I spoke for Trump the day before he was inaugurated in Washington, D.C., that was crazy.

00:02:10.580 It was such an honor.

00:02:12.220 And I remember we pulled up to the auditorium and it was just this huge arena.

00:02:16.080 And this one guy came over to me and he's like, oh, my God, I'm such a huge fan.

00:02:20.340 I love you.

00:02:21.240 My mom loves you.

00:02:23.260 And I'm like, oh, thank you, thank you, thank you.

00:02:24.800 And he's like, seriously, I'm your number one fan.

00:02:27.020 Would you mind giving me an autograph and a picture?

00:02:28.760 I'm like, sure, sure, sure.

00:02:29.860 And he's going on and on.

00:02:30.880 And I'm like, I still got it.

00:02:33.100 This is amazing.

00:02:35.580 And he walks away and my head has grown two sizes and he goes, I can't believe I just met Carrie Underwood.

00:02:45.580 What the?

00:02:47.580 What?

00:02:49.140 So what God thought I needed was a little humble pie.

00:02:52.280 Okay, message received.

00:02:54.020 I got it.

00:02:55.600 Anyway, I'm so happy to be together tonight because I am feeling super optimistic right now.

00:03:00.600 I was thinking about this time last year.

00:03:02.860 Okay, so what are we in?

00:03:04.820 October?

00:03:05.380 Yes, we're still in October.

00:03:06.720 We hadn't yet had the vote.

00:03:08.320 We didn't know how it was going to turn out.

00:03:10.560 You know, it was like now it seems so obvious that Trump was going to beat that Nimrod.

00:03:14.600 But at the time, the polls were like tight.

00:03:17.980 You know, we had a lot to worry about.

00:03:20.200 And right now I just feel so enthusiastic about where the country's going.

00:03:24.900 Aren't you so...

00:03:25.960 Like, thank God Donald Trump is in office.

00:03:31.060 Yes.

00:03:33.980 Honestly, I am down on my knees thanking God for that fact every day.

00:03:38.720 And it's not just Trump.

00:03:40.280 You know, look at the dream team around him, right?

00:03:43.220 Like, I know Trump hasn't even been in office for a year, but we're already starting to think

00:03:46.920 a little bit about J.D., right?

00:03:50.740 Are we good enough people to have those eight years follow these four years?

00:03:55.660 I think we might be.

00:03:57.400 I think we deserve it.

00:03:59.240 We've earned it.

00:04:01.180 Marco, amazing too.

00:04:02.880 What about that ticket?

00:04:04.880 I'd vote for that in a New York minute.

00:04:07.340 And it's not just those two, right?

00:04:08.860 We've got Tulsi.

00:04:09.840 We've got RFKJ.

00:04:11.700 Like, making a real difference.

00:04:13.080 Poor RFKJ gets such terrible press no matter where you turn.

00:04:16.000 But do you know that he's the most popular cabinet member?

00:04:19.240 Isn't that crazy?

00:04:20.300 So, like, universally bad press.

00:04:22.580 Like, Elon-level press.

00:04:24.220 But he's the most popular cabinet member.

00:04:26.540 And that's because no one's listening to the mainstream media anymore.

00:04:34.140 That's it.

00:04:36.900 So, thank God people are waking up and starting to pay attention to what's really going on

00:04:41.420 in this country.

00:04:41.920 Because the left is more unhinged than ever.

00:04:46.000 All right?

00:04:46.420 We know that.

00:04:47.440 That's obvious.

00:04:48.380 They've gone from, like, back when I was on Fox, we used to talk about political correctness.

00:04:52.340 Now it's insane wokeness, which is way more pernicious.

00:04:56.720 Like, way more dangerous.

00:04:58.420 And, like, a new cult religion that's, like, satanic.

00:05:02.580 They used to call John McCain a racist.

00:05:06.800 Okay.

00:05:07.840 Mitt Romney a sexist.

00:05:09.980 Sure, Jan.

00:05:11.440 Right?

00:05:11.980 And now we've graduated to Hitler with Trump.

00:05:15.140 Like, they're just doubling and tripling and quadrupling down on all this crazy messaging.

00:05:19.880 We went from a left that wanted to take away our guns to a left that is now cheering for

00:05:25.560 guns when they're used against conservatives.

00:05:28.880 I mean, that is sick.

00:05:31.640 That's fucking sick.

00:05:32.840 Like, and it's real.

00:05:36.080 Like, I couldn't believe, could not believe the number of people who cheered when Trump

00:05:41.540 got shot.

00:05:42.780 The number of people at these No Kings rallies who were saying, oh, we need better assassins.

00:05:47.840 You know, wish he hadn't turned his head.

00:05:49.320 Or cholesterol, do your job.

00:05:51.760 And then, of course, is what happened to poor Charlie.

00:05:54.900 I love all you people wearing the Freedom shirts out there tonight.

00:05:58.420 Thank you for representing.

00:06:03.040 I know everybody is still hurting about Charlie.

00:06:06.000 And I know so many people here tonight went through that with me.

00:06:10.620 Like, we went through that together.

00:06:13.200 You know, the day Charlie was shot, we had gone off the air.

00:06:16.560 You know, we do this show live on SiriusXM.

00:06:18.580 So we were live those two hours.

00:06:20.160 And then I went back to my desk and my team said, oh, my God.

00:06:24.980 Charlie, there's a shooting at a Charlie Kirk event.

00:06:28.040 And, you know, you hear that in today's day and age and you think, oh, it's like, sadly,

00:06:32.000 it's kind of commonplace.

00:06:33.420 We didn't think anybody had been shot.

00:06:35.800 And then the next report was, no, someone was shot.

00:06:38.140 And it was Charlie.

00:06:39.940 And we were like, we got to go back in the air immediately.

00:06:43.560 And it wasn't because we wanted downloads or in any way to exploit what was happening.

00:06:48.440 It was because I felt really strongly that you needed me and I needed you.

00:06:55.420 Thank you.

00:06:55.860 Thank you.

00:06:56.420 Thank you.

00:06:58.660 I just knew if we're going to have to get through this, if something's happened, we're

00:07:03.860 going to want to do it together.

00:07:04.700 And I knew there wasn't a single viewer of our show who was going to want to take that

00:07:09.720 news from CNN or MSNBC.

00:07:16.800 Charlie's death has been so rattling to all of us.

00:07:19.360 That's me on a personal level, and I'm sure all of you guys who felt like you knew him

00:07:23.460 because he came on the show once a month, sometimes more, and I went on his show.

00:07:27.780 And there is a way of genuinely getting to know somebody in that way.

00:07:32.620 You know?

00:07:32.940 It's like, it's a real friendship.

00:07:36.360 The only thing that's made me feel better since he passed was the news this week that

00:07:40.140 Bible sales have gone up 37%.

00:07:42.900 And you've seen the revival of faith in churches across this country.

00:07:50.940 Charlie would be so proud of that.

00:07:53.360 And I, too.

00:07:55.300 You know, you guys, I've had my struggle with faith because I believe, but I have been trying

00:08:00.960 to get this annulment of my first marriage.

00:08:03.600 It's very strange to say to a perfect stranger why your first marriage failed and get him to

00:08:07.780 say you can undo it.

00:08:09.100 It's like, what am I?

00:08:09.880 I don't understand.

00:08:10.780 Maybe I'm really an evangelical, not a Catholic.

00:08:12.920 I don't know.

00:08:13.400 So, I've been going through it.

00:08:16.680 But I will say, Charlie's passing has renewed even my commitment.

00:08:20.880 And you guys have been so great.

00:08:22.000 You sent me all these suggested books and so on, and I bought them all.

00:08:26.060 I just finished Lee Strobel's The Case for Christ.

00:08:29.200 Thank you.

00:08:30.180 I got that from you guys.

00:08:32.900 And now I'm reading the whole series.

00:08:34.880 And actually, somebody, one of the audience, recommended that Charlie had been reading.

00:08:41.160 I'm reading it right now.

00:08:42.140 It's like one of the most famous books on earth, like Man for Meaning.

00:08:46.160 What is it?

00:08:48.400 The Man's Search for Meaning.

00:08:49.600 Thank you very much, by Viktor Frankl.

00:08:52.000 So, I'm reading that now.

00:08:53.100 So, thanks to all of you.

00:08:54.940 In any event, look, we've got to find our faith.

00:08:58.080 If there's no faith, that's how you wind up with the woke mind virus, right?

00:09:02.320 That was an antidote to people who needed something in their hearts and their heads after they shut

00:09:06.840 out God.

00:09:07.980 But I feel like our side, the side of reason, still has God, and we need him now more than ever.

00:09:12.680 And we need to stay awake.

00:09:14.060 Not woke.

00:09:15.020 Not like Kamala said.

00:09:15.980 But awake because we slept a little too long while they were passing laws to make sure

00:09:21.500 teachers could trans our kids without involving us.

00:09:25.240 You know, we slept a little too long when we let the left take over race messaging and

00:09:30.700 telling our kids they were bad because they were white or less than because they were black

00:09:34.200 and it was never overcomable.

00:09:35.500 Like, we were a little asleep at the switch, but we're back now.

00:09:38.580 And we're going to need every single one of you to fight the good fight as we go forward

00:09:43.860 because it's not over.

00:09:45.720 It's not over by a long shot.

00:09:47.760 But looking at you, I know we got it.

00:09:50.000 So, thank you for being here.

00:09:51.460 Now, we're going to do a little something fun.

00:09:52.880 We're going to do some Q&A.

00:09:54.000 Do you want to do some Q&A?

00:09:54.880 We have a couple minutes before we're going to bring out Jesse and Don Jr.

00:10:01.060 But let's take a little question from the audience.

00:10:03.520 Yes, sit in the front row of your life.

00:10:05.160 Go ahead.

00:10:05.620 Come on up here.

00:10:06.480 Fire one at me.

00:10:12.960 Hi, Megan.

00:10:14.260 Hi.

00:10:14.940 Love you.

00:10:15.860 Love you.

00:10:16.420 Listen every day.

00:10:17.420 Thank you.

00:10:18.020 Big fan.

00:10:19.300 Lived in Connecticut.

00:10:20.520 Moved to Texas.

00:10:22.140 Right on.

00:10:22.820 Maybe you should follow.

00:10:24.960 If you're considering it.

00:10:28.140 I guess my question is, I have a seventh grader and a sixth grader.

00:10:33.700 And how do we direct our younger children into their high school, maybe college years?

00:10:43.640 How do we steer them in the right direction?

00:10:46.980 Well, I mean, there's a lot there.

00:10:49.280 Of course, the number one thing is just love on them.

00:10:51.620 Love and love and love.

00:10:52.500 And that will solve most of the problems.

00:10:54.720 I do think go to church every week.

00:10:57.340 Make sure you don't leave that void unfulfilled because somebody else will fill it.

00:11:03.600 And I do think now, you know, my kids now, our kids are 16, 14, and 12.

00:11:08.420 Boy, girl, boy.

00:11:09.800 And the boys are at a great school that's not woke and wonderful.

00:11:13.800 But our daughter's at a school that's more woke than we would like.

00:11:16.380 And while we do get involved when they veer too far left, there are some advantages to sending your child to a somewhat woke school.

00:11:25.220 Not super woke because that's abusive, but somewhat woke because they're still in your house.

00:11:29.880 And you can work with them to counter-program.

00:11:33.360 So it's almost like inoculating them before the lunatics on college campuses get a hold of them.

00:11:39.380 You know?

00:11:39.760 I don't think you should send them off there without any basic, you know, skills to recognize the woke mind virus when they're exposed to it and to understand indoctrination and how it works.

00:11:50.840 So that's my basic thought on it.

00:11:53.440 Yeah.

00:11:53.840 But love is number one.

00:11:56.780 Hi there.

00:11:57.460 Yes.

00:11:57.840 How are you?

00:12:01.600 Hi.

00:12:02.340 Hi.

00:12:02.920 So I had heard at Fox News the management and producers had caused tension between a lot of the hosts.

00:12:09.780 Is that true?

00:12:10.440 Like intentionally to cause them to be separate?

00:12:13.900 Well, I can only speak to the Roger Ailes era because, you know, he was gone basically when I left.

00:12:19.520 And Roger never tried to cause friction between the talent, but he definitely caused friction between the executives.

00:12:25.220 He wanted them to stay off balance.

00:12:27.520 And I think it's in part because he didn't want a clear successor to himself.

00:12:30.840 It was like a power, you know, move.

00:12:32.880 But I don't think he really pitted the talent against each other.

00:12:35.780 And there's maybe some here and there, but for the most part, he was more focused on the dynamics with the executives.

00:12:41.320 And I would say in general at Fox, the talent was very supportive of one another and really quite lovely.

00:12:46.240 NBC, not exactly the same?

00:12:50.080 Yeah.

00:12:51.740 Hi.

00:12:52.260 How are you?

00:12:53.300 Hi.

00:12:54.180 So I'm a high schooler and I will be a first-time voter at the next presidential election.

00:13:01.540 Yes, they're all with you.

00:13:03.360 And I was wondering how I could become like an educated voter with such a biased media.

00:13:08.600 And how would you suggest handling that kind of stuff?

00:13:10.880 Well, obviously, obviously, you should be listening to The Megyn Kelly Show and AM Update every day.

00:13:17.380 That's number one.

00:13:18.440 Now, you're busier in high school, so at least just take an AM Update, which is usually about 16 minutes long.

00:13:22.940 And we'll give you the day's headlines without leftist spin.

00:13:26.260 I do think it's important to take in some news from the left just so you can hear how crazy they are because you need to make decisions in your life.

00:13:33.840 And it's good to see, like, what the other side is offering.

00:13:36.040 You know, it's like that juicy steak is going to look a lot better to you than when you see, like, some disgusting rotted fish on the other plate.

00:13:43.940 So maybe sample some NPR.

00:13:45.800 I don't know.

00:13:46.380 The New York Times, The Daily, whatever.

00:13:48.020 What's the opposite of me?

00:13:49.500 Both of those.

00:13:50.100 But, yeah, keep taking in lots of information, and definitely, if you want to branch out beyond The Megyn Kelly Show, go to PragerU.

00:13:58.140 They've got a lot of short little videos that are, like, quick hits, quick educators for somebody like you who just wants to bone up on the day's, like, issues.

00:14:08.260 Good luck.

00:14:10.800 Love your hat.

00:14:12.200 Thank you.

00:14:13.540 Hi, Megan.

00:14:14.240 It is an honor to have you here in Houston.

00:14:16.760 Truly, we are all blessed.

00:14:18.120 Thank you.

00:14:20.100 Megan, my name is Will Moray.

00:14:23.560 I'm the treasurer here at our TPUSA chapter at University of Houston.

00:14:29.100 Go, Turning Point.

00:14:32.760 Megan, from the university staff, we are facing issues when it comes to getting certain rooms.

00:14:39.280 We had issues with our bank.

00:14:42.320 And as treasurer, as one of our officers, I'm up here to ask for your advice.

00:14:46.840 We're facing some other issues as well.

00:14:48.900 And to cut to it, how should we handle what essentially feels like bullying from Renu Couture, our president, and the staff beneath here at University of Houston?

00:14:59.280 Okay.

00:14:59.680 So here's the first thing you should do every time that happens to you.

00:15:03.880 Say, thank you.

00:15:06.120 Thank you.

00:15:07.120 This is why we're so much stronger than the other side.

00:15:09.420 Everyone here has had this happen to them, right?

00:15:12.240 In one way, shape, or form.

00:15:13.600 It's not okay to be a conservative.

00:15:15.160 It's not okay to say your true views.

00:15:16.520 You can't be affiliated with Turning Point.

00:15:17.900 You can't like Charlie Kirk.

00:15:19.400 Your group can't form here.

00:15:21.300 There's more red tape for you than there.

00:15:23.060 Say, thank you.

00:15:24.440 This is how you're going to be stronger than everyone who you oppose on these issues.

00:15:28.680 We can't get superhero muscles without going through this shit.

00:15:31.600 It's unfortunate.

00:15:32.240 But it's the only way we can do it.

00:15:34.560 And let me give you an example of what I'm talking about.

00:15:36.680 Do you remember that?

00:15:37.700 Of course you remember the Katie Porter interview last month.

00:15:41.280 She's an angry, angry woman.

00:15:43.680 Shoot it into my veins.

00:15:46.440 You wind up a Katie Porter if you don't have that stuff happen to you, right?

00:15:50.120 When you sit down and you finally like get some mild follow-ups and you're like, I'm out.

00:15:54.620 I'm calling it.

00:15:56.560 Right?

00:15:56.960 Like you can't even sit for a 10-minute interview where the questions were provided in advance.

00:16:01.720 So it's like a mild follow-up.

00:16:03.720 No conservative would ever be in that position.

00:16:05.900 We're used to having our ideas tested and new roadblocks put down for us.

00:16:10.180 Find a way over them.

00:16:12.000 Keep fighting.

00:16:13.220 Don't give up.

00:16:14.500 Keep going.

00:16:18.020 Hi, Megan.

00:16:19.000 Hi.

00:16:20.100 Lifelong fan.

00:16:21.300 Thank you.

00:16:21.680 I grew up saying I wanted to be you when I grew up.

00:16:24.460 So this is very crazy.

00:16:26.400 I wrote down my question because I knew I was going to be nervous.

00:16:29.060 But when so much of what's labeled as news today is really just opinion or spin, how do

00:16:35.140 you personally separate fact from narrative?

00:16:38.260 And for those of us trying to speak up and get it right, especially after Charlie's assassination,

00:16:43.900 what sources or strategies would you recommend?

00:16:46.220 I ask because when I reference people that I trust like you or my fiancé always likes to

00:16:54.260 quote Rush Limbaugh, I always get the same feedback that you're biased.

00:16:59.380 I don't trust her.

00:17:00.640 And it feels like a losing battle.

00:17:03.680 First, you need better friends.

00:17:06.680 I have a couple thousand I can recommend to you.

00:17:09.480 So one thing I personally do, and I find it very helpful, is every morning I go to realclearpolitics.com.

00:17:19.540 I love those guys.

00:17:20.620 And they take editorials from the left and the right.

00:17:23.100 And if you read on any given issue, they'll have both sides represented.

00:17:27.060 And if you read an editorial from the left and the right on any given issue, you will

00:17:31.080 see a set of facts emerge.

00:17:32.300 One common fact pattern, if you squint, will emerge, and then you'll start to recognize

00:17:38.560 the spin around those facts from the left and the right.

00:17:42.080 And that's very useful.

00:17:43.360 And I would say on our show, we'll give you the facts, and then I'll make clear what my

00:17:46.840 opinion is, because the number one thing I don't want is to mislead my audience.

00:17:50.980 My audience is very smart.

00:17:52.480 I mean, I know this.

00:17:53.160 Like, we have an unusually smart audience.

00:17:55.320 And the last thing I would do, because my show would collapse, is if I started spewing nonsense

00:18:00.640 facts, those people would get embarrassed by repeating them, and then they would stop

00:18:03.300 listening.

00:18:04.940 Not everybody's like that, but I do think RealClearPolitics is a place to go for actual facts

00:18:09.440 in their firsthand reporting, and then with that editorial trick.

00:18:13.120 Yeah.

00:18:13.540 Thank you.

00:18:15.720 Hi.

00:18:16.440 Hi.

00:18:16.880 Hi, Megan.

00:18:17.480 So I have a question about immigration.

00:18:19.940 Okay.

00:18:20.760 Everybody, I think, agrees illegal immigration is a massive issue.

00:18:24.200 That's why, you know, a lot of the border counties here in Texas went for Trump, because

00:18:27.980 of mass illegal immigration.

00:18:29.600 But a lot of Republicans have come out and said, well, we'll replace it by making it easier

00:18:34.280 to become legal.

00:18:36.320 And the problem is, especially for young people, a lot of the problem we have with immigration

00:18:40.600 isn't that they're illegal, it's that they're changing the fabric of our culture and the

00:18:44.780 fabric of our country, and legal immigration is just going to make that just as bad as illegal

00:18:49.300 immigration is.

00:18:50.040 What's your stance on kind of, not just the mass deportations, but dealing with not so many

00:18:56.880 legal immigrants as well?

00:18:58.220 So thank you for that.

00:18:59.540 How do you like your border now?

00:19:03.440 Right?

00:19:04.260 It's amazing.

00:19:05.680 What a difference a year can make.

00:19:07.740 My God.

00:19:09.760 So I take your point.

00:19:11.160 I do think there's a room for some legal immigration in our country.

00:19:15.360 There always has been.

00:19:16.240 You know, I mean, if you want to come here and you want to assimilate and you want to

00:19:19.380 fold into our culture, as some do, and you have skills and they're useful to us, sure,

00:19:25.760 okay.

00:19:26.180 There's always been a place for that.

00:19:27.480 There's still a place for that.

00:19:28.780 But that's not what's happening, as you know.

00:19:32.000 And even under the Biden administration, it was just like the magic wand was waved to let

00:19:35.540 people come in legally, migrants from, you know, places like Haiti.

00:19:39.880 And then the next thing you know, you had Ohio overrun with people who were killing people

00:19:44.620 in DWIs who couldn't drive.

00:19:46.600 They weren't assimilating.

00:19:47.620 They couldn't speak the language.

00:19:48.620 You've got New York City, which is full of not only illegal, but legal migrants who don't

00:19:53.640 learn to speak the language.

00:19:54.820 Now every school's got to have a translator on every language that these kids speak, and

00:19:59.380 it's not tenable.

00:20:00.480 So I think legal immigration is fine, but it needs to be pulled way back, and Trump's

00:20:06.000 done that.

00:20:07.000 And Republicans who are out there saying, like, okay, but our hotel workers and our farm workers,

00:20:12.500 they all also need a pass.

00:20:14.680 Look, realistically, Trump's not going to get to those people, because do you know how many

00:20:18.740 illegals we've deported in the first nine months of the Trump administration?

00:20:21.920 Do you guys know?

00:20:23.760 A million?

00:20:24.580 That's a guess.

00:20:25.120 Okay, what else?

00:20:27.600 Two twenty-six?

00:20:28.800 Two point six million?

00:20:31.020 It's five hundred and fifteen thousand.

00:20:34.040 Yeah.

00:20:35.020 Yeah.

00:20:35.360 She said, what?

00:20:37.140 He's doing his best.

00:20:38.240 God bless Tom Homan.

00:20:40.100 But you may have seen the left is not making it so easy for them.

00:20:44.320 So realistically, we're not going to get that level of illegal migrant out of the country,

00:20:50.580 and so we've got to just root for Tom Homan on the worst first strategy.

00:20:54.340 Thank you.

00:20:55.000 Hi, Megan.

00:20:59.120 Hi.

00:21:00.240 Thank you so much for coming to Sugar Land.

00:21:02.760 We're so happy to have you.

00:21:04.460 Thank you for having me.

00:21:06.100 Now, let's talk about the Candace Owens of it all.

00:21:10.420 Okay.

00:21:10.600 I love her, and I really do feel like there's potentially truth to what she's saying.

00:21:20.480 What do you think?

00:21:22.500 Is there something nefarious going on?

00:21:26.460 Are you talking about Charlie's murder?

00:21:29.240 So, I don't listen to Candace's show, but I am one hundred percent convinced that Charlie

00:21:36.820 was killed by Tyler Robinson, a crazed leftist who murdered him because he didn't like Charlie's

00:21:44.640 messaging on the trans issue.

00:21:45.960 That is my firm belief after having talked to the people at Turning Point, the FBI, the

00:21:52.600 security team that was on the ground, and many others.

00:21:56.060 And I've come to that with a good faith basis, and I have nothing that would shake me from

00:22:02.920 it.

00:22:03.780 I don't begrudge anybody asking questions, and I understand the controversy around where she's

00:22:09.300 gone with it, but I think it's really kind of like a matter of your preference for your

00:22:15.060 broadcaster.

00:22:16.460 And, you know, Candace is many, many people's cup of tea, and she's not other people's, and

00:22:22.020 I'm the same.

00:22:23.360 And I haven't responded well to people demanding that I try to police her speech because that's

00:22:28.940 a leftist thing.

00:22:30.100 It's not a right thing.

00:22:32.160 So, if she's not for you, that's fine, but if she is, that's fine too.

00:22:35.320 And what she says about this particular matter, look, I give her, I just give her a lot of

00:22:40.800 grace because I know she's suffering.

00:22:42.900 I know she really loved him, and I think this has been very hard on people who actually knew

00:22:46.840 Charlie and really loved him.

00:22:48.820 Oh, thank you.

00:22:51.600 Okay.

00:22:52.940 Hi.

00:22:53.620 Hi.

00:22:54.420 I'm about to graduate high school in May, and I want to pursue a major in government and

00:23:00.400 politics, but I want, I don't really know, I don't know where to go in my career in politics

00:23:06.780 because I don't know if I want to go to law school or just go into like a tournament going

00:23:11.280 USA chapter.

00:23:12.720 So, what would be your suggestion?

00:23:14.760 Well, I'm biased on the law school front because I did go to law school, and I practiced law

00:23:18.100 for nine and a half years.

00:23:19.940 And I have to tell you, I recommend law school.

00:23:23.120 I love law school.

00:23:24.960 It really teaches you how to think.

00:23:27.060 The best law schools do not teach you what the law is.

00:23:29.820 They teach you how to think like a lawyer, and that is a useful skill.

00:23:33.600 However, it's about $300,000 now, so you kind of have to be rich to do it.

00:23:40.700 I wasn't rich when I went.

00:23:42.020 I took it all out on loans, and then I wound up paying it back over many years and didn't

00:23:46.100 expect the government to pay it for me.

00:23:49.500 So, unfortunately, I think if your parents have some dough and they want to fund this

00:23:53.460 venture for you, or if you have a long-term plan of acing all your exams and signing up

00:23:57.800 with a big firm for a few years to try to pay off those loans, that could work because

00:24:01.240 learning how to think like a lawyer is very useful.

00:24:03.900 Short of that, Turning Point would be a great way to go because you can educate yourself.

00:24:08.860 Charlie Kirk didn't go to law school.

00:24:10.600 Charlie didn't go to college.

00:24:12.340 Charlie taught himself by nonstop reading and online courses.

00:24:16.060 And honestly, if you go to Hillsdale College online, you can educate yourself without any

00:24:21.200 of the BS.

00:24:21.700 So, it's really financial.

00:24:24.900 Thank you.

00:24:25.840 All right, so I guess we have to start now.

00:24:27.820 We got to get started with our actual program, which is great because you're going to love

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00:24:44.440 He served his country honorably in the Marine Corps, went and deployed after 9-11.

00:24:50.280 It was a very brave thing to do.

00:24:52.060 And then when he came back, he ran for office.

00:24:54.940 He was a no-name guy, like nobody had ever heard of him.

00:24:58.660 And he almost beat Gabby Giffords for her Arizona seat at the time.

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00:25:14.380 a following.

00:25:14.880 And now he hosts the show, I'm Right, on the first TV and the nationally syndicated

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00:26:25.220 Jesse Kelly, everybody.

00:26:31.020 You finally had complete power.

00:26:34.240 I got dad's Corvette.

00:26:35.780 I got dad's keys.

00:26:37.380 And there's nothing stopping me now.

00:26:39.520 And so you sent the FBI after school board, Mom.

00:26:42.760 You told Facebook to delete people's accounts for questioning the COVID vaccine.

00:26:48.440 You sicked the FBI on pro-life pastors.

00:26:52.400 For these people, America is the enemy.

00:26:57.020 They are at war with our own country.

00:27:00.120 Are they afraid?

00:27:01.220 Is this why the violence is happening?

00:27:03.280 Is this why there's a clear uptick in violence?

00:27:05.160 Do they feel like they're losing?

00:27:06.500 Shoot, we'll try to kill him.

00:27:07.880 Throw him in prison.

00:27:09.140 We'll throw a thousand January Sixers in prison.

00:27:11.860 We're living high on the hog, baby.

00:27:13.980 We're always going to have power.

00:27:16.220 But you screwed up.

00:27:17.760 They tell people, Hitler's coming, Hitler's coming.

00:27:19.960 And you have all these single women on anti-anxiety meds freaking out.

00:27:23.840 Oh my gosh, the world's going to end.

00:27:25.800 These people get lied to repeatedly.

00:27:28.200 And all they do, maybe it's a Democrat thing, is bend over it and say, thank you, sir.

00:27:32.380 May I have another?

00:27:33.100 Yeah.

00:27:37.980 Woo-hoo!

00:27:41.860 Jessie!

00:27:44.980 Jessie!

00:27:56.060 Yeah!

00:27:58.820 Jessie's in the house.

00:28:00.840 Woo-hoo!

00:28:01.200 Woo-hoo!

00:28:02.680 I can't wait until the morning...

00:28:04.920 Oh, it's so good to be here.

00:28:06.700 Woo!

00:28:06.940 I thought I'd kick it off with family.

00:28:09.760 It feels like family.

00:28:11.680 Well, we've been talking for how many years now?

00:28:13.860 I know.

00:28:14.000 It does feel like family.

00:28:15.040 This is just a normal routine for us.

00:28:17.040 And with the last name Kelly, I mean, it's got to go back to some common person, doesn't

00:28:21.840 it?

00:28:22.000 I just learned this week that Irish women are known not only for being boozers, but for

00:28:26.900 being sluts.

00:28:30.020 Well, I'm not sure what that says about my mom, but look, I think we kind of went different

00:28:36.120 ways.

00:28:36.640 Megan, you went to law school and I went to Pima Community College, so at some point when

00:28:40.800 we got off the boat, we definitely diverged.

00:28:42.620 All right, I have my notes here because there was something I wanted to remember to ask you,

00:28:49.200 okay?

00:28:50.180 Please tell us who Big Chungus is.

00:28:55.340 Okay.

00:28:56.560 All right, so I'm sure you saw the video.

00:28:59.060 Everybody here has probably seen the video of the stupid No Kings protests and everyone

00:29:03.600 saw that gigantic monster of a woman making fun of Charlie Kirk's assassination, doing the

00:29:09.760 this and that and this and that thing, just, you know, sticking her fingers in her fat rolls

00:29:14.560 and being terrible about the whole thing.

00:29:17.440 And so I went off on it on my radio show one day, and I don't even know where I heard it,

00:29:21.500 probably from my two meathead sons who were actually in the audience, the name Chungus,

00:29:25.700 and it just seemed like it fit.

00:29:27.120 I said, that's Big Chungus.

00:29:28.580 And I knew, you know what's sad, Megan, is I knew as soon as I saw her, I said, that's

00:29:32.940 a teacher, that's a nurse, or a social worker, because it is every single time in one

00:29:36.620 of these blue areas.

00:29:37.440 I knew it.

00:29:37.820 It's a fact.

00:29:38.300 Yeah, you knew it.

00:29:38.900 I, you know, feel a little bad making fun of most people's physical being, but not in

00:29:45.500 her case, not at all.

00:29:47.680 What a horrible person.

00:29:49.040 I mean, that was a horrifying video.

00:29:50.360 You guys saw it, right?

00:29:52.100 She was enjoying it, and the Chicago School District has done nothing.

00:29:56.480 They're worried about the alleged threats she received for that bad behavior.

00:30:01.940 I think it's really hard for normal, decent people to understand that there are people,

00:30:07.140 obviously there are legions of wonderful teachers, but there are a lot of people who go into their

00:30:12.120 chosen profession because they intend to carry a sick religion into that profession and put

00:30:18.420 it into our children.

00:30:19.300 There are a lot of school teachers in this country, especially in two districts.

00:30:23.080 They didn't take it so they can read your son or your daughter, you know, English, math,

00:30:29.040 arithmetic.

00:30:29.800 These things don't ever cross their mind.

00:30:31.800 They did it so they could tell your son to chop his penis off.

00:30:34.660 They did it so they could teach you that your country sucks and there is no God.

00:30:38.140 And they believe it all the way.

00:30:39.940 And when they're not doing that, they waddle out to a protest and make fun of Charlie Kirk's

00:30:43.620 assassination.

00:30:44.400 Frickin' terrible.

00:30:45.560 Well, that's what Jesse always calls the left communists.

00:30:48.240 They're communists.

00:30:49.260 Explain that.

00:30:50.540 Well, they are communists, and we've been too hesitant to do that for so long.

00:30:56.420 We try to act as if they're naive.

00:30:59.660 They just don't get it.

00:31:00.760 We try to make every excuse in the world for them.

00:31:03.080 Well, I guess they just don't understand.

00:31:04.740 No, they do understand.

00:31:05.800 We're the ones who have lacked understanding.

00:31:08.180 They understand full well that they are at war from within with this country.

00:31:12.760 They are fighting a communist revolution.

00:31:14.640 It's not an accident they're doing it.

00:31:16.420 It's not an accident they're going after kids.

00:31:18.520 They decided long ago they couldn't use the workers because American workers were, by

00:31:22.580 and large, happy and prosperous.

00:31:24.340 So they had to find a different group of malcontents.

00:31:27.100 And now it's every feminist in a Subaru, and it's all this LGBTQ stuff, and they go find all

00:31:34.180 the miserable freaks in society, and they recruit them as an internal army to constantly attack

00:31:39.940 us from within.

00:31:41.280 And they are communists.

00:31:42.220 And I fully admit, there are so many Democrats today who don't have any idea that's actually

00:31:46.140 what they are, because they're a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy.

00:31:49.680 But in the end, I mean, you don't listen to any one of their speeches.

00:31:52.640 You notice they're never, ever, ever actually selling a solution.

00:31:56.180 They don't even really pretend.

00:31:57.260 They're always selling revenge.

00:31:58.980 Always.

00:31:59.620 Elect me, and I'll get them.

00:32:01.160 Elect me, and I'll get that guy.

00:32:03.000 Elect me, and I'll take what's his.

00:32:04.780 Because they're filthy communists, but they're losing, so screw them.

00:32:11.960 There is something about the fact that they're all so unattractive.

00:32:17.020 I know I'm being a very looksist person tonight, but there's something to it.

00:32:21.880 Why are they all so homely?

00:32:23.400 Well, you know, a much wiser man than me once said that bitterness is poison, right?

00:32:31.880 Your bitterness is poison.

00:32:33.520 And so it's actually not a physical thing, the reason so many of them appear to be unattractive.

00:32:38.360 Because there are plenty of people, big, small, short, tall, who are wonderful and attractive

00:32:42.860 people to be around, because there's a certain joy inside of them.

00:32:46.420 I mean, how many people have you already met here tonight?

00:32:47.860 Nobody looks the same.

00:32:48.980 There's a joy that comes out of people who are good.

00:32:51.800 But people who are angry, because that's really what they are, broken.

00:32:56.260 Their souls are broken.

00:32:57.320 They're angry.

00:32:57.880 They're bitter.

00:32:58.780 That radiates from them, and they spread it everywhere, and it feels ugly.

00:33:03.120 So even ones that are kind of hot, like AOC, you get around her, and you think,

00:33:08.420 oh, that's gross.

00:33:09.160 I would rather not.

00:33:09.940 Have you seen, now online, she put on a couple of pounds, and now the online commenters are

00:33:19.680 referring to her as abuelita.

00:33:24.960 You can't do it any better than the internet.

00:33:26.780 I'm sorry.

00:33:28.760 What are your thoughts, though?

00:33:29.840 Because I know you've been very outspoken since Charlie died on the need to be here,

00:33:35.800 the need to be speaking out, what the right needs to do.

00:33:39.560 Well, this is, again, a mentality that is changing, so I don't want to act like we're

00:33:43.460 failing.

00:33:44.060 Ten years ago, we were failing.

00:33:45.440 It is changing.

00:33:46.740 And I want to echo what Megan said when she was out here.

00:33:49.360 I do commend you for this.

00:33:50.580 Maybe you don't feel courageous, but it takes guts now, especially with all these violent

00:33:54.380 animals on the other side.

00:33:55.400 It takes guts.

00:33:56.240 Totally.

00:33:56.500 So, for the longest time, because we didn't fully understand what we were dealing with

00:34:03.220 on the left, we thought, you know, we could be hands-off, laissez-faire, they'll wake up,

00:34:08.320 you know, that old conservative way of thinking of, well, they'll come around when they start

00:34:12.100 paying taxes, or they'll wake up one day.

00:34:15.000 But the truth is, when you're dealing with a demonic force like communism, you have to

00:34:19.880 be aggressive with it.

00:34:21.160 And so, the second the communist tells you what he hates or what he fears, you don't shy

00:34:27.160 away from it.

00:34:27.860 You feed it to him.

00:34:29.280 So, the second they tell you they don't want you talking to kids on college campuses, they

00:34:33.040 don't want you doing public events, we'll kill you, we'll do this, we'll do that.

00:34:36.880 No, you double down on them.

00:34:38.240 You do this on everything, you double down on them when they're tearing down statues.

00:34:44.600 And I don't care whose statue it is.

00:34:46.020 I don't care if it's Christopher Columbus or Robert E. Lee or whoever it is.

00:34:49.760 The second they tear one down, you build ten more, right there.

00:34:52.640 And you don't ever let these people destroy the way they want to destroy.

00:34:56.820 They have always, since the Bolshevik Revolution, to where we are in the United States of America

00:35:01.720 today, they have thrived on the naivete and the niceness of their political opposition,

00:35:07.700 and the fact their political opposition never quite understood.

00:35:10.260 Well, they don't mean to do that, right?

00:35:12.300 This is an accident.

00:35:13.420 They don't get it.

00:35:14.040 No, they do get it.

00:35:15.120 We haven't gotten it.

00:35:16.300 We're starting to get it now, and that's why they're so afraid.

00:35:18.900 It is fantastic.

00:35:20.040 Totally agree.

00:35:22.020 Let's talk about the media, because what I said is true.

00:35:26.000 The media is dead.

00:35:27.120 The mainstream media is over, and it's a blessing.

00:35:29.860 And it's because of new media that we are able to tell the truth on things like what's happening

00:35:37.080 at the White House now with the renovations and the number of renovations that have already

00:35:41.040 been done to the White House over all the years.

00:35:42.760 Like, none of the mainstream will tell you that.

00:35:45.140 They wouldn't talk about Barack Obama's $380 million reno he did to the White House, way

00:35:50.440 more than what Trump is doing.

00:35:51.860 They wouldn't tell you what Truman did, completely revamping or taft the entire White House.

00:35:55.560 They wouldn't talk about the pool that FDR put in.

00:35:58.480 That's just one example.

00:35:59.820 But, like, we're able to counter-program now in a way that has them panicked.

00:36:06.380 Well, they have had forever.

00:36:09.180 I mean, when you think about it, you don't even have to go to ancient history.

00:36:11.740 If it's 1990, right?

00:36:13.660 How many channels are on your television in 1990?

00:36:15.820 We had one of the big wooden-cased ones, and it was the little 13-clicker.

00:36:20.400 Everybody knows what I'm talking about.

00:36:21.540 That's what you had.

00:36:22.020 That's not ancient history.

00:36:23.040 That's 1990.

00:36:24.400 So, if you owned NBC, ABC, CBS, the New York Times, the Washington Post, LA Times, and they

00:36:30.780 did back then, if you owned it, the truth was whatever you wanted, and normal people

00:36:35.640 had no option to go seek out the truth because there's no internet, there's no smartphone,

00:36:41.760 there's no Megyn Kelly show, there's no alternate source.

00:36:45.520 Even if I'm trying to be informed, all I have is the newspaper and the news at night,

00:36:49.680 and if they're all telling me the same lies, which we now know they do, they tell the

00:36:53.360 same lies over and over and over again, have you gotten your 12th booster shot yet?

00:36:56.740 But anyway, they all tell the same lies.

00:36:59.720 And so, we, our ancestors in this country, I say ancestors, honestly, our parents, they

00:37:05.440 did not have the same opportunity we did to break out of that bubble the way we've broken

00:37:10.640 out.

00:37:10.860 And now that we've broken out, now that people see the light and they see the evil, the

00:37:15.360 media is being completely stripped of all their power, and it's the greatest thing that

00:37:19.080 could happen in this country.

00:37:19.760 Yes, it's so wonderful.

00:37:21.620 You can see, I think it's part of the leftist panic, though.

00:37:24.180 Like, my own calculation is, one of the reasons we're seeing more violence on the left is they're

00:37:29.380 extremely angry that their universal control over all the institutions, media among them,

00:37:36.560 is really quickly slipping away, and they can feel it.

00:37:39.900 And this is a brand new front.

00:37:41.280 Like, they've never had to deal with this before.

00:37:43.760 Yeah, it's honestly, it's part of the reason I took so much joy in the No Kings protests,

00:37:48.240 actually, if I can get to this in kind of a roundabout way.

00:37:50.680 Even though we all know that you are king of all media.

00:37:53.340 So, I mean, think about where we were, it feels like 15 minutes ago, but just last year,

00:37:59.440 two years ago, I don't know about you, I felt completely culturally surrounded.

00:38:04.140 It was like it happened all of a sudden.

00:38:05.600 And we woke up one day, and wait, they're taking Aunt Jemima off the pancakes, and there

00:38:10.360 are more lesbians in the kids' movies than the WNBA game.

00:38:14.240 Like, I don't know.

00:38:16.020 We woke up and said, how did that happen, right?

00:38:18.500 And so we felt completely surrounded.

00:38:20.660 Our institutions all felt against us.

00:38:22.960 But like all evil, tyrannical, sick religions, like communism is, it's a religion, it's not

00:38:28.080 a political ideology.

00:38:29.560 They couldn't control themselves with power, so they got it, and everywhere they had it,

00:38:34.660 they would abuse it, and abuse you, and abuse you, and abuse you, and abuse you.

00:38:37.640 And just like that, it's disappearing on them right now.

00:38:40.780 And so now, all you have is some lame protest with a bunch of grannies doing these stupid

00:38:45.980 pre-rehearsed dance routines, and big chungus out there making fun of Charlie Kirk, and now

00:38:50.620 you're just screwed.

00:38:51.980 Big chungus.

00:38:53.240 I love it.

00:38:54.460 I can't get enough of it.

00:38:55.520 So how do we sustain what Trump has taught us, right?

00:39:00.620 Trump showed the Republicans how to fight.

00:39:03.320 That will be his lasting legacy.

00:39:05.820 Trump, unfortunately, only gets another three years and change, and then he's going to have

00:39:10.720 to pass the baton.

00:39:12.080 And there are real questions, even though we love the bench, about whether what he's taught

00:39:17.300 us can be sustained post-Trump.

00:39:19.100 Well, this is actually something I talked about on my radio show yesterday, this exact

00:39:23.780 subject of we, because Trump has been the leading figure on the right for 10 years, and

00:39:29.320 as of the year 2025, he's the seminal figure on the planet for the 21st century.

00:39:34.020 That's not even debatable.

00:39:34.900 No one else is close.

00:39:36.380 When you think about Trump being gone in three years, it can be a little, what are we going

00:39:43.780 to do?

00:39:44.000 What are we going to do?

00:39:44.600 But I just want to make sure everyone understands, Trump is not the end.

00:39:48.500 Trump was the beginning.

00:39:49.860 Trump was the beginning, and deserves a lot of credit for that.

00:39:53.380 And that is in no way an insult.

00:39:56.560 It's all the credit in the world.

00:39:57.840 You know, the one who lays the foundation of the family business is always going to be

00:40:01.660 revered, and he deserves to be honored for that forever.

00:40:05.500 But if he's the end, then we're finished anyway.

00:40:08.340 But he won't be.

00:40:09.380 There will be another, and then there will be another, and then there will be another.

00:40:12.140 And when I say another, I'm really talking about everybody.

00:40:15.560 I don't want to sound like one of these dirty hippies, but it really does take all of us.

00:40:19.360 It's your school board.

00:40:20.900 It's your local community.

00:40:22.540 It's about so much more than the White House.

00:40:25.620 Honestly, you're HOA.

00:40:26.940 You have dirt balls in your local community, even here in Red Texas.

00:40:30.400 I have them in mine.

00:40:31.440 And we need to get these people out of office.

00:40:33.180 Yes.

00:40:33.560 Okay.

00:40:33.780 So that's the problem, is that while we've been asleep and they've been passing the laws

00:40:38.520 to make it easy for teachers to trans children without involving the parents and so on, we've

00:40:43.020 been asleep.

00:40:43.880 Now we're waking up, but we're still slow to vote on Team Sanity.

00:40:49.360 And we don't vote in local elections.

00:40:51.300 We don't vote at the school board level.

00:40:53.140 Too often, we're like, we're busy.

00:40:54.900 We're living our lives.

00:40:55.620 Like, we're fulfilled people.

00:40:56.700 That's our problem.

00:40:57.920 If we were, like, more empty inside, we'd probably go out and make sure that we canvassed

00:41:02.160 and voted and make sure that everybody else, but, like, even though we're happy and fulfilled,

00:41:05.780 we're going to need to start to vote now in every single election, up and down the board.

00:41:10.160 So how do we get Republicans to do that?

00:41:12.340 Because in general, it's more the left who's been, like, activated, and they'll make sure

00:41:16.800 that they have their bus with Jane Fonda on it, getting all the people to every vote there is.

00:41:21.940 Well, this is the problem.

00:41:24.900 Proposition 15, she said.

00:41:26.320 This is the problem because it's going to create an extra burden on, honestly, the people

00:41:30.420 in this room, because your friends are, they share your values, you go to church with them,

00:41:36.460 you meet them at t-ball games, but they don't even know there's a local election coming.

00:41:40.140 They don't know they're living their lives.

00:41:42.740 You have to be that point person in your circle.

00:41:46.020 I try to encourage people with this all the time.

00:41:48.360 Five people, tell five of your friends, you're going to be hanging out on Sunday.

00:41:51.740 You're going to be watching a baseball, football game.

00:41:54.380 Hey, did you hear we have an election on Wednesday?

00:41:56.560 Hey, I'll come get you guys.

00:41:57.660 It's important.

00:41:58.280 We need to vote for this guy.

00:41:59.220 Your friends are good people who don't know.

00:42:02.040 You know.

00:42:02.540 They don't know.

00:42:03.260 You listen to Megyn Kelly.

00:42:04.340 You know.

00:42:04.900 They don't know anything, and that's not an insult to them.

00:42:07.620 It's not their interest.

00:42:09.040 They are busy doing other things, but they will do what you tell them to do.

00:42:13.160 I run into this with my neighbors.

00:42:14.480 I don't hang out with political people.

00:42:15.860 I live here in Texas.

00:42:16.880 I live in the Burbs.

00:42:17.660 I'm not in D.C., and all my friends are this way.

00:42:20.420 They share my values.

00:42:21.880 They agree with me, but when there's an election coming, they have no frigging idea, so I have to

00:42:26.020 say, hey, we're going to the polls on Tuesday.

00:42:28.040 We've got to go out.

00:42:28.960 We have to be that activist class because, as a whole, we will never be as committed to

00:42:35.480 tearing down the country as they are, to preserving the country as they are to tearing it down.

00:42:41.640 But we don't have to be because the numbers are actually on our side if we can just get

00:42:45.760 out there.

00:42:46.260 But it's uniquely hard for people in red states to do that because when we look out

00:42:51.160 the window, it's right here in Sugar Land.

00:42:52.880 When you look out the window, the animals aren't burning things down.

00:42:55.720 And you think, you know, women aren't getting thrown in front of subway cars here and things

00:42:59.640 like that.

00:43:00.220 And so you think to yourself, okay, well, it's not that bad.

00:43:03.040 I can skip voting.

00:43:04.020 It's just a Saturday anyway.

00:43:05.400 I'm not feeling that great.

00:43:06.520 No, no.

00:43:07.420 The communist is coming from places like this, and they're already here.

00:43:10.760 Oh, I mean, Texas has been in danger of turning bluer and bluer, thanks to places like Austin

00:43:15.560 and Dallas.

00:43:17.400 So, yeah, you've got to get out.

00:43:18.620 And let me just say something.

00:43:19.640 The fact that you are all here suggests that you are more politically attuned than the average

00:43:24.380 citizen and more into news than the average citizen, which means you probably will have

00:43:28.220 to lead the way on getting people to vote because your neighbors are living their lives

00:43:31.480 and they're definitely not thinking about local elections.

00:43:33.260 So you have to, you be the change.

00:43:36.560 But you do.

00:43:37.460 You have to be.

00:43:38.560 Here's another thing I want to ask you about.

00:43:39.720 There's a debate happening right now on the right about how much time do we give these

00:43:49.080 leftists and the media and even some Republicans who are demanding that we comment on every

00:43:54.540 scandal, like the young Republicans' text chain, right?

00:43:58.360 You know what I'm talking about?

00:43:59.360 These young Republicans who got caught in a text chain in which there were some racist

00:44:02.680 comments, there were some unfortunate comments, and the left ran with this on every media outlet.

00:44:07.240 Like, they'd love to make this the news story because it bumped the Jay Jones, Virginia attorney

00:44:11.180 general candidate story off the front page.

00:44:13.340 It was like, see, we told you all along, Republicans are all racists.

00:44:16.520 And then good people on the right kind of felt the need to say, like, tsk, tsk, I condemn it, because, like, if I'm going to condemn the Jay Jones stuff, I got to condemn this.

00:44:27.080 How do you see it?

00:44:27.720 Yeah, so let's say I'm FDR and it's World War II, and Douglas MacArthur comes to me and he says, hey, I just got word that some Marines are committing some atrocities in the Philippines.

00:44:39.580 They're torturing people.

00:44:40.440 I need you to look into that.

00:44:41.540 Or I want to report this to you.

00:44:43.520 Now that's an action item for me because Douglas MacArthur's on my side.

00:44:46.980 If I'm FDR in World War II and Tojo walks into my office and tells me Marines are doing something in the Philippines, that's not an action item for me.

00:44:55.260 I know he's my mortal enemy.

00:44:56.660 I know the only reason he's bringing me that information is because he wants me to act on the information he just gave me in a way that will be harmful to me.

00:45:03.940 And so we have to be smart enough on the right not to jump on every landmine the left throws out there because, as you just pointed out, anybody with an IQ above a gerbil knows exactly why a disgusting rag like Politico would print it.

00:45:17.700 They printed it because they wanted us to stop talking about that sick freak in Virginia who's talking about killing kids.

00:45:23.700 They wanted us to talk about anything else.

00:45:25.720 They wanted us to change the news cycle.

00:45:27.740 And we can't just be people who chase a headline, chase the spotlight, chase the newest, freshest story.

00:45:34.580 We have to think beyond that and realize we are dealing with an enemy.

00:45:39.820 And that sucks that you have to deal with an enemy.

00:45:42.360 I wish you didn't have to.

00:45:43.260 I wish I didn't have to.

00:45:44.100 I don't want to have enemies here.

00:45:45.420 That's not who I am.

00:45:46.400 I want to eat Red Lobster.

00:45:48.480 That's what I want to do.

00:45:49.220 I want to enjoy, and I want to eat Red Lobster.

00:45:51.440 But that's not the life we've been given.

00:45:53.020 We have enemies here.

00:45:54.140 We have to acknowledge their enemies and act as if they're enemies.

00:45:58.140 I do not now.

00:45:59.460 I never have.

00:46:00.320 I never will.

00:46:01.100 I do not take part in communist operations.

00:46:03.840 I don't care what they are.

00:46:04.740 It doesn't matter whether it involves my friends, my enemy.

00:46:07.380 When there is a communist operation, I recognize it for what it is, and I just ignore it and move on.

00:46:12.060 So wise.

00:46:13.460 And here's a tip.

00:46:15.100 I think people on the right are decent, and they want to express their decency, and so they feel like an obligation.

00:46:20.480 I'm a decent person.

00:46:21.500 I'm against the easy text.

00:46:22.420 I would never text like this, so I feel like it doesn't matter how many times you prove your decency to these people.

00:46:28.620 They will always dismiss you as indecent.

00:46:30.460 They will attack you as racist, as misogynist, as bigoted.

00:46:33.360 They'll use every term in the book.

00:46:34.600 They don't really think Donald Trump is Hitler.

00:46:36.460 Not at all.

00:46:37.540 They don't think J.D. Vance is Hitler.

00:46:39.280 They're using those terms to silence their enemies.

00:46:41.960 It's a leftist tactic.

00:46:43.360 And no matter how good you are, you could be Jesus Christ incarnate.

00:46:46.320 They will call you all the names and never acknowledge your decency.

00:46:49.360 So why bother?

00:46:50.080 Yeah, there's a clip that's going around now, but it's actually a little bit old, of Catherine Mayer, head of NPR, don't get me started, talking about, I think our reverence for the truth is, you know, we focus on that too much.

00:47:02.660 We just need to focus on getting things done and building a consensus.

00:47:05.320 But what I tell people all the time, over and over and over again, is communists lie about everything all the time.

00:47:11.440 The way you feel about telling the truth, that's how communists think about lying.

00:47:15.700 And I know that's hard for good people to understand, but they might tell the truth occasionally if they feel forced to, like when your wife comes out and says, does this dress make me look fat?

00:47:25.400 And you've got to kind of weasel one in there if maybe it's not the most flattering thing in the world.

00:47:30.980 But that's how the communists feels about telling the truth.

00:47:33.540 It's not just that they lie or they're okay with lying.

00:47:36.860 They demand lies.

00:47:38.500 They will demand it of each other.

00:47:40.220 They strictly police each other.

00:47:42.140 Remember when Joe Biden accidentally called an illegal during the State of the Union?

00:47:46.420 He had to do a press tour the next day apologizing for it.

00:47:49.940 They strictly police each other to make sure the lie is consistent, building the world of make-believe, which radicalizes these people who are broken out there, turning them violent, and soon you have big chungus.

00:48:03.320 Don't play that game.

00:48:04.980 Jesse, thank you.

00:48:06.100 Love you so much.

00:48:07.140 Thank you so much for doing this.

00:48:08.460 Thank you.

00:48:19.940 Isn't he so great?

00:48:28.060 Can I tell you, like, the show is doing really well.

00:48:31.900 The Megyn Kelly show is doing really well.

00:48:33.280 It's because of guys like that.

00:48:35.160 Honestly, we have just the best guests.

00:48:37.200 And while I'd love to say it's all me, it's not all me, it's because I get guys like that to talk to me.

00:48:41.780 And they're so interesting, right?

00:48:43.680 Isn't your life just better for knowing Jesse Kelly?

00:48:46.180 It just is.

00:48:47.200 You hear all of your own views espoused in a way that is, like, super smart and entertaining and fun and funny, and you go home thinking, I am not alone.

00:48:56.260 That's one of the many things I love about him.

00:48:57.660 Anyway, thank you, Jesse.

00:48:59.140 Love you, too, so much.

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00:51:43.560 Without further ado, my next guest and I go back years, years and years and years.

00:51:56.620 So even when our current president and I were on the outs a little bit, you may recall this

00:52:04.240 period back in 2015-16, Rosie O'Donnell, correct.

00:52:09.920 In fact, I never lost touch with his family.

00:52:14.220 They were always so sweet to me.

00:52:16.780 Don Jr., Eric, and Ivanka, all of whom I got to know, especially the boys, very well.

00:52:22.080 Ivanka's just a picture of class, too.

00:52:23.560 I just don't know her quite as well as their brothers.

00:52:26.340 They were always kind to me.

00:52:28.200 They were always happy to come on my show.

00:52:30.680 Even when their dad and I were brawling, they'd come on.

00:52:33.560 We'd talk about issues.

00:52:35.140 They never shied away.

00:52:36.080 They were always perfectly gracious.

00:52:38.740 And Don Jr. is such a star in his own right.

00:52:43.460 In any world, the name Donald Trump would be associated with him instead of his dad if

00:52:49.360 he didn't happen to be the son of such a powerhouse.

00:52:51.860 Because, listen, in his own right, not only has he become a massive and important executive

00:52:56.140 with the Trump Organization, International Real Estate and Business, and could run any company

00:53:01.040 in this world, but he has become so integral, not only to getting his dad elected twice,

00:53:06.420 but to choosing the top operators of the Trump administration.

00:53:11.020 And Don Jr. took all the information that they learned in Trump 1.0 and made sure that

00:53:16.980 they didn't make the same mistakes in 2.0.

00:53:20.700 Truly, he was at the helm of the staffing decisions.

00:53:25.260 He's too modest to come out here and brag about it, but I'm telling you, it's so.

00:53:28.140 And he's done it with class, J.D. Vance, you got it.

00:53:32.060 And guess who else?

00:53:33.260 Guess who else became a star because of Don Jr.?

00:53:36.140 Charlie Kirk, you know.

00:53:39.560 So he's not afraid to spot young talent and groom them into great things.

00:53:43.860 Anyway, love this guy.

00:53:45.780 He could do anything.

00:53:46.780 He's done anything.

00:53:47.540 But the thing we all, I think, love about Don Jr. more than anything is he's a fighter.

00:53:52.720 Watch this.

00:53:53.220 We are in a fight for the future of our country, for our very existence.

00:54:03.880 There's a true seismic shift going on right now.

00:54:06.880 Watching the Democrats, it's amazing that they're so far out of touch.

00:54:10.140 The Democratic Party has left the working class that they used to represent.

00:54:14.120 That's not true.

00:54:14.860 I'm watching this thing today, and I'm like, why?

00:54:18.180 You know what?

00:54:18.580 Every once in a while, you get a try.

00:54:19.960 I mean, if we're talking about bringing a discourse down, Joy, you've worn blackface.

00:54:24.740 Whoopi.

00:54:25.220 No, I'm sorry.

00:54:26.100 You said that won't apply.

00:54:27.340 I'm sorry.

00:54:28.040 There'd be a second family separation policy.

00:54:30.320 It's MSDNC, so I expect nothing less from you clans.

00:54:33.200 Let's be clear, folks.

00:54:34.760 This is, like, communist-level shit.

00:54:39.700 I've even gotten the call from that guy a couple times.

00:54:41.680 You know, Don, Don, you're getting a little aggressive on social media, Don.

00:54:49.560 Relax.

00:54:53.060 You know, I get a call.

00:54:54.320 Your dad's been shot.

00:54:55.780 Any other information?

00:54:56.920 No, we don't know anything.

00:54:58.280 Finally, you know, I got a hold of my father and, you know, surprisingly calm in the hospital.

00:55:04.320 So, me, I'm usually the inappropriate guy, so I was like, how's the hair?

00:55:08.660 How's the hair?

00:55:10.100 The hair's fine, but it's a little bloody.

00:55:11.940 In that moment, my father didn't just show his character.

00:55:16.620 He showed America's character.

00:55:19.560 When he stood up with blood on his face and the flag at his back, the world saw a spirit that could never be broken.

00:55:32.920 Donald Trump Jr., everyone.

00:55:34.320 Thank you, guys.

00:55:55.920 Good to be here.

00:55:56.700 So sweet.

00:55:59.200 Thank you so much for being here.

00:56:00.940 Great to be here.

00:56:01.960 Those are some fun highlights.

00:56:03.140 Before you go, you have to do your best Donald Trump.

00:56:07.640 We're going to have to do some Donald Trump, guys.

00:56:12.500 All right, let's talk about why we're here, right?

00:56:16.480 I mean, we were going to do this tour.

00:56:17.800 We announced this tour two days before Charlie was killed, and then the question was raised by basically everybody.

00:56:23.680 Do we still do this tour?

00:56:24.980 And I know how I felt, and I know how you felt.

00:56:28.840 It's not exactly how my husband felt.

00:56:32.980 But we're here, and it's more important right now to be here than ever.

00:56:37.400 A hundred percent.

00:56:38.120 I mean, the best way to honor Charlie's legacy is to actually be out here, to doing this, to be unafraid, to not back down.

00:56:46.760 I think.

00:56:48.200 Yeah.

00:56:49.280 Thank you.

00:56:49.760 I know I was supposed to do something with him literally the week after that, and as you mentioned sort of in the intro, you know, I met Charlie.

00:56:59.100 I think he was 19 or just turned 20.

00:57:01.520 And it was 2015 at the beginning of that cycle.

00:57:04.400 And a couple friends of mine actually from Texas were like, you know, you have to meet this guy.

00:57:08.780 He's great.

00:57:09.420 He's charismatic, and he knows everything about politics.

00:57:13.120 I'm like, wow, that sounds great, because no one here knows anything.

00:57:18.000 I've told you this before, but it was like when they were like, you're colluding with Russia.

00:57:21.540 I'm like, guys, if you knew what was going on in that campaign, like, we couldn't collude to order a cheeseburger.

00:57:25.740 Okay?

00:57:25.920 So, like, relax.

00:57:28.680 Slow your roll.

00:57:29.400 Relax, Adam Schiff.

00:57:30.400 Like, give me a break.

00:57:31.260 But, you know, they're going on and on about how great this guy is, and they're like, okay, well, he's, you know, he just turned 20.

00:57:39.160 I'm like, just, okay, enough.

00:57:41.580 Like, stop.

00:57:42.600 We're good.

00:57:42.860 You know, if there's one thing we had no shortage of, it was guys that didn't know what the hell they were doing.

00:57:48.120 We didn't need someone else who also didn't know what the hell they were doing.

00:57:52.320 But these guys were persuasive, and I sat down, and in five minutes, I was like, oh.

00:57:57.900 Oh.

00:57:58.680 Describe that Charlie versus the Charlie.

00:58:01.260 We knew before he was taken from us.

00:58:03.960 Honestly, it was the same.

00:58:04.960 You just knew it was a generational talent.

00:58:07.460 You know, I don't know much, but I think, you know, if there's one thing I've probably proven to be fairly decent at in the last decade or so is sort of just understanding talent.

00:58:17.640 And I recognized it in an instant.

00:58:19.240 I mean, it was literally five minutes.

00:58:20.740 I'm like, okay, interview's over.

00:58:22.240 Like, you're traveling with me.

00:58:24.600 And, you know, he spent the next, you know, six, seven months.

00:58:27.800 It was everything.

00:58:28.380 I mean, he'd be making calls.

00:58:30.900 I mean, I have great pictures of Election Day 16.

00:58:33.600 And I think I did, it was close to like 75 radio interviews.

00:58:37.920 We were just sort of moving east to west as the polls were shutting down.

00:58:40.880 I'm, you know, screaming at Sean Hannity, be like, just get me on in western Florida because there's a time difference there, and I can still get a couple people to the polls because, you know, whatever wasn't showing up.

00:58:49.860 And, you know, Charlie was basically just in the background operating, you know, by Twitter and other social media handles from my desk in my office as I'm going through this.

00:58:58.860 And it was just such an amazing experience.

00:59:01.580 But, again, you know, he perhaps got better, but he was always so good.

00:59:06.420 He was just going to be better than everyone else anyway.

00:59:08.560 It didn't take much maturation.

00:59:11.400 He just always had it.

00:59:12.360 In the past couple of years, Don, you've been subpoenaed and investigated more than any human on earth.

00:59:20.360 So is your family.

00:59:21.760 So is your dad.

00:59:23.420 Your dad, they tried to throw him in prison, not to mention the impeachments and all the investigations and the civil lawsuits.

00:59:30.440 And then on top of that, they actually tried to kill him repeatedly.

00:59:34.440 Twice, yeah.

00:59:35.140 Yeah.

00:59:36.280 You saw your dad get shot in the ear.

00:59:38.240 You saw three of his supporters get shot, one of whom died, two others of whom got shot as well.

00:59:45.000 And then Charlie got shot and killed and taken from us.

00:59:47.780 This is your life over the past couple of years.

00:59:50.760 How has that changed you?

00:59:54.000 Honestly, it's hard.

00:59:55.020 I mean, there's an element, I guess, you know, I got some of that Trump gene that it just makes you sort of go harder.

01:00:01.380 It's not normal.

01:00:02.380 It's not always.

01:00:02.900 It's not normal.

01:00:03.640 It's not normal.

01:00:04.300 It's not always good.

01:00:05.100 I have that for better or worse.

01:00:06.520 I think, you know, yeah, I've been more subpoenaed than probably just about any human being, and our family certainly has.

01:00:13.720 I think I've done more hours of congressional testimony, you know, for treason, right?

01:00:19.000 I mean, you know, a crime punishable by death.

01:00:20.820 That became, like, my average Tuesday.

01:00:23.780 You know, it was like, oh, they're going to try to kill you again, Don.

01:00:26.800 I'm like, it's fine.

01:00:29.200 Can I catch lunch first?

01:00:31.780 Most of us are like, I've got to get those Halloween decorations up.

01:00:34.600 It's coming.

01:00:35.240 I'm on deadline.

01:00:36.480 Yeah, no, it was, my lawyer was like, you're the greatest witness ever.

01:00:39.060 It's like, it's not because I'm actually good at it.

01:00:40.840 I've just done it so much.

01:00:42.060 Eventually, you're going to develop some sort of talent for it.

01:00:44.220 I mean, it's, you know.

01:00:46.660 Do you miss it a little?

01:00:49.040 You know, not that so much.

01:00:51.680 No, but, you know, not that, but it was interesting, right?

01:00:56.020 I think, you know, at the end of each one of these election cycles and now, you know, three

01:01:01.380 presidential cycles and then, you know, six midterm cycles, you combine them all or whatever

01:01:06.160 it may have been.

01:01:06.720 And there was a time sort of at the end of 16, especially, and at the end of 20, you're in

01:01:14.240 the throes of it.

01:01:15.340 And I think it was October 2020.

01:01:17.560 I think I did 104 rallies that month.

01:01:21.920 So that's four a day.

01:01:23.080 And I don't mean like, you know, a lunch or a breakfast.

01:01:25.260 I mean like, you know, 300 to 10,000 people in a room four times a day, 31 days straight.

01:01:33.080 And it's sort of brutal.

01:01:34.220 And at the end of it, you're like, I just sort of want to be done with it.

01:01:37.540 16, especially, right?

01:01:38.540 Because I got sucked out of like the world in which I lived, you know, real estate.

01:01:43.000 I was, you know, behind a desk or on a job site.

01:01:45.600 And I was like, sort of want to go back to that.

01:01:48.900 And for about a week, it was great.

01:01:51.360 And you were non-controversial before all this too.

01:01:53.780 Yeah, no, I mean, not the same level.

01:01:56.620 Yeah.

01:01:56.860 Before that, no, it was, it was awesome.

01:01:58.500 I could live in New York city.

01:01:59.440 I got invited to the cool person parties that all went away.

01:02:02.440 But no, honestly, but there was a component of that that was also cathartic, right?

01:02:08.260 It was, you know, that obligatory lunch you all do with some friend you haven't seen in

01:02:12.560 10 years, but you do it once every other year.

01:02:14.920 You go and you're like, why am I here?

01:02:17.100 You know, we don't really stay in touch.

01:02:18.380 And it's like, you'd see all these people and they'd text you like, I love what you're

01:02:22.920 doing.

01:02:23.220 And you're like, oh, wow, that's great.

01:02:24.060 And you like, look on their Facebook page and you're like, Trump's a terrorist.

01:02:27.340 He's a Nazi.

01:02:28.260 So I'm like, I hate these people so much.

01:02:30.440 I'm like, well, which one is it?

01:02:31.580 Because you can't be my friend and also do that.

01:02:34.880 Like you can disagree with me politically.

01:02:36.600 I mean, I had friends that didn't agree with a lot of what we were doing, but it's still

01:02:39.680 like, I'm writing a check to your campaign because I just believe in you.

01:02:42.740 And even if we don't agree on much politically, like you're still a friend.

01:02:45.320 And like, those guys are great.

01:02:47.140 Those guys were.

01:02:48.100 You can handle the honesty.

01:02:49.040 Yeah.

01:02:49.360 That, that I can deal with.

01:02:50.580 It was the guys like clout chasing on one side and then kissing your ass on the other.

01:02:55.400 That I didn't appreciate.

01:02:56.820 But do you, I wonder, because you talk about the gene, you've got the gene and it is a

01:03:00.800 crazy gene.

01:03:01.320 It's a great gene.

01:03:02.660 And I really have been thinking about this a lot because I, now at this point in my life,

01:03:06.820 I think a lot about how do we handle trauma?

01:03:09.140 Like what's the best way of handling trauma?

01:03:10.980 And I really have come over to my husband's Presbyterian way of just shoving it down.

01:03:15.800 I really do believe, honestly, like leaning into your traumas and they call it ruminating

01:03:22.020 is very bad for you.

01:03:23.860 We've really, we were raised by Oprah and we were raised by wolves.

01:03:28.780 She misled us.

01:03:30.220 The Trump gene is the way.

01:03:32.340 Well, yes and no.

01:03:33.500 Right.

01:03:33.680 I was sort of getting there before and it, you know, I sort of ramble, but, um, you know,

01:03:38.980 you, you get there and it, it feels wrong, but you also then suppress all of it.

01:03:42.640 And it's just like, it doesn't matter, put it aside, go back and fight.

01:03:46.360 Doesn't matter, put it aside, go fight.

01:03:48.380 Like literally in your dad's case, in the moment where the bullets are still flying.

01:03:51.900 Correct.

01:03:52.340 And, you know, we all sort of did that to some extent, him more than anyone, but then

01:03:56.340 you go back and you're, you know, I have five young kids, you know, and kids, you know,

01:04:00.260 they have some sort of problem.

01:04:01.320 I'm like, well, they're literally trying to jail me.

01:04:03.520 They're trying to shut down our businesses.

01:04:04.760 They just tried to kill grandpa.

01:04:06.360 Like, you know, it's just, you know, whatever they're going through is still a big thing for

01:04:10.940 them, but you can't even think of it as a big thing.

01:04:13.100 Cause it's like, give me a break.

01:04:13.820 It's nothing, but it, but it's big for them.

01:04:15.340 And so, uh, you, you definitely put a lot of that sort of emotion aside.

01:04:19.340 It's like, you've just been a beast in a cage prodded for a while that you'd sort of

01:04:22.540 adjust to that normalcy, but it makes it actually very hard to be sensitive to other people's

01:04:28.120 ideas and emotions.

01:04:29.240 Of that movie free solo.

01:04:30.640 Did you see the movie free solo?

01:04:31.840 A hundred percent.

01:04:32.380 Where the, do you guys see this?

01:04:33.140 I saw it on an airplane once where the guy, I used to do a little bit of free class.

01:04:36.040 So yeah, I have that underdeveloped sense of self-preservation and pretty much, I'm a pilot.

01:04:39.380 I do the trimix diving.

01:04:40.680 So this guy's like climbing mountains, like the most dangerous mountainsides in the world

01:04:43.920 without any suspension, without any rope whatsoever.

01:04:47.400 And it's extremely dangerous.

01:04:48.800 And they talk in the, in that film about how you can kind of burn out your adrenal gland.

01:04:52.960 Yeah.

01:04:53.460 And that's not necessarily a good thing.

01:04:55.320 Or it's already underdeveloped.

01:04:56.500 So it takes that much more stimulus to actually get any sort of excitement out of life.

01:05:00.160 And that's what it was like.

01:05:01.180 So like after 16, you know, you, you, you work so hard, you, you sort of become like, I mean,

01:05:05.660 there's something cool about being pseudo rock star, right?

01:05:08.820 You're on a stage and people are loving it.

01:05:10.520 And you sort of feel like, wow, I'm actually decent at this.

01:05:12.260 This is kind of cool.

01:05:13.580 So, but you get like, I got to go back to my regular life.

01:05:16.400 I'm so over this.

01:05:17.160 And like two weeks back at a desk and I'm like, yeah, no, this isn't going to work for

01:05:20.820 me anymore.

01:05:21.440 No, no, I was, I was, no, no, like, like borderline depressed.

01:05:24.300 Like I was like, this, this sucks.

01:05:26.080 Like I literally just remade my whole life after that and got, stayed more involved in this

01:05:31.080 and just, uh, it was sort of game changing.

01:05:33.760 So what I thought was sort of like going to be my destiny for, you know, the rest of my

01:05:38.840 career, it was like, yeah, no, that's not going to work.

01:05:41.540 Like I literally would not be able to be satisfied sitting at a desk and doing that forever anymore.

01:05:45.160 And so it changed everything.

01:05:46.440 Well, that leads me to my next line of inquiry, which is, is any Trump going to be running

01:05:51.600 for office at any point soon?

01:05:56.180 You know, this is always the trick question, right?

01:05:59.300 Because if you say no and then you decide to do something at another stage in life,

01:06:02.460 I appreciate the applause.

01:06:03.800 And, you know, someone said, you know, a bunch of friends sent me a poll last week.

01:06:08.500 It was, you know, JD and I are the only guys in double digits.

01:06:10.840 I'm like, I haven't really been, you know, out there all that much for it.

01:06:13.940 But you're the heir.

01:06:15.100 But still, well, you know, who knows?

01:06:17.920 You know, honestly, the heir is whoever deserves it, really.

01:06:19.860 You know what I mean?

01:06:20.180 There's not an heir.

01:06:21.740 Contrary to what we've seen, this isn't a monarchy, right?

01:06:24.060 Like, I know, I know they like doing the whole no kings.

01:06:29.300 And dressing up like, you know, Bozo the Clown.

01:06:31.740 And I think that's supposed to be effective.

01:06:33.280 I don't know.

01:06:33.800 It doesn't seem to move the needle much for me.

01:06:36.180 But, you know, it also is sort of ironic that they're talking about not having kings

01:06:41.560 with a president that was elected in a landslide, won the electoral college, won the popular vote,

01:06:50.300 won all seven swing states in a historic fashion.

01:06:55.080 Before that, actually left office.

01:06:59.780 I mean, you know, if you're, he's like a really shitty king, actually.

01:07:02.420 I mean, if he's a king, he's doing a lousy job.

01:07:05.840 Because a king wouldn't have done that.

01:07:08.540 A king wouldn't have allowed himself to be prosecuted and persecuted and almost jailed,

01:07:13.800 almost assassinated.

01:07:15.560 A king probably wouldn't allow those protests to happen.

01:07:18.940 And if he was a king, the government would be open and not shut down by Democrats who

01:07:22.240 want to make sure that we're funding health care for illegals.

01:07:24.860 That's right.

01:07:28.480 But, you know, the narrative, as we all know, the narrative doesn't always have to line up

01:07:33.100 with reality.

01:07:33.660 Was that a long way of saying no?

01:07:35.400 You have to see, you know.

01:07:40.940 So not never.

01:07:42.420 No, not now.

01:07:46.020 Not now, but not never.

01:07:47.140 There may be a time.

01:07:48.000 And if it's required of me and I can do that for my country, it's an honor.

01:07:50.660 The fact that I have this kind of reaction is...

01:07:52.400 Thank you.

01:07:59.640 No, listen, just that kind of reaction, like, that sort of...

01:08:03.300 I mean, that's the greatest honor I could receive, right?

01:08:05.620 So it means a lot to me.

01:08:07.240 And I see that.

01:08:08.560 And it's...

01:08:10.080 I don't know that I have the ego, actually, which is ironic, I understand, coming from

01:08:13.060 a top.

01:08:14.260 You'll get there.

01:08:15.040 There is, like, a level of hubris you actually need to be president, I think, that I'm like,

01:08:18.200 I don't know.

01:08:18.580 You'll get there.

01:08:18.820 I'm a regular guy.

01:08:19.400 I fight to get where we want to go.

01:08:20.760 But after that, I'm okay going in the background.

01:08:22.400 But what was so great about the last four years under Biden was it's actually what we

01:08:31.400 needed as a country for everyone to understand how fragile our democracy is, how fragile the

01:08:40.320 republic really is, how fragile even our economy is, and how the world really needs a strong

01:08:46.740 America.

01:08:47.160 And so it wasn't just the first four years of Trump that showed us that.

01:08:50.660 It was how quickly it all disappeared and went away that woke up so many people.

01:08:55.320 But in that, there was a sort of component of, you know, trial by fire, you know, not

01:09:01.340 just for the American people who got it and experienced it because you saw it with your

01:09:04.940 own eyes every day.

01:09:05.980 But for those in the cabinet now, for those who were able to be fighters and, you know,

01:09:13.200 were subject to the same lawfare and whatever.

01:09:16.640 So now we actually, for the first time in modern history, we have a bench.

01:09:22.060 We have a bench of guys that can do this.

01:09:24.140 And if I'm part of that, that's an honor.

01:09:25.300 But it's not like, you know, even in, you know, after the first term, you're like, well,

01:09:31.600 man, who's next?

01:09:33.660 You know, it wasn't going to be Mike Pence.

01:09:35.900 Mike Pence was perhaps like a necessary thing to sort of consolidate other parts of the Republican

01:09:41.540 base that are like, well, this guy from New York, how do we make this happen?

01:09:45.400 How did, you know, perhaps I don't want to say necessary evil, but like you sort of needed

01:09:50.060 No, he made sense at the time.

01:09:51.380 It made sense at the time, but it was never going to be the future of the party, right?

01:09:54.500 Like that, that was never real.

01:09:57.740 And, you know, now it's great to be like, to see a JD and to see, honestly, you know,

01:10:02.360 Marco's done a great job.

01:10:03.740 He's a star.

01:10:04.220 Marco's a star too.

01:10:05.120 And more importantly, they're guys that aren't just sort of playing a role on TV.

01:10:12.720 They've actually changed their worldview to understand that sort of America first MAGA,

01:10:17.780 however you want to look at it, is actually the future of the Republican party.

01:10:21.800 They're not guys that are dying to go back to the old ways and playing a role.

01:10:25.300 They actually believe it.

01:10:26.560 They get it now.

01:10:27.900 And that's incredible for the future of our country.

01:10:30.440 Okay.

01:10:30.940 Now, since you and your dad are very similar in many ways, what, and you're talking about

01:10:36.600 how you were bored sitting at your desk for two weeks.

01:10:38.360 is what does Donald Trump post-presidency do with his time?

01:10:44.100 Oh, God.

01:10:46.540 I don't know, Megan.

01:10:50.820 Yeah.

01:10:51.420 No.

01:10:52.220 You know, it's an interesting one.

01:10:53.680 It's like, this was always during the campaign.

01:10:55.500 It's like, you know, are we working him too hard?

01:10:58.320 It's like, no, no, no.

01:10:59.100 Keep him going.

01:10:59.860 Because there's nothing sometimes more scary to us that we're having, you know, perhaps

01:11:04.280 clean up some messes, you know, getting the call at like five o'clock in the morning,

01:11:08.380 like, did you see the tweet that went out three hours ago?

01:11:12.100 Like, no, what happened?

01:11:15.060 Don't worry, you're on CNN in a couple hours.

01:11:17.220 What are the talking points?

01:11:18.100 It's like, honestly, we don't know.

01:11:19.620 Figure it out.

01:11:20.760 You know, the scariest Donald Trump is a poor Donald Trump.

01:11:23.960 So we...

01:11:24.860 Real.

01:11:27.000 I got to figure out, we all have to figure out how to keep him busy, but, you know...

01:11:33.360 He could pull the Obama, not leave Washington and be the shadow president for the next day.

01:11:37.140 You know, that would be fun.

01:11:40.660 Listen, I think one way or the other, he's always going to keep busy.

01:11:43.900 I mean, you know, you even see the passion of what he has now as he's, you know, doing

01:11:47.920 additions to the White House.

01:11:48.960 I mean, he's always going to be a builder at heart.

01:11:50.700 And I think because he's a builder, it's why he understands how to do these things.

01:11:54.200 It's also why he's so able to relate to regular people.

01:11:58.460 You know, he still always sort of defaults back to his roots of being, you know, a builder,

01:12:02.200 someone who creates.

01:12:03.940 And so, you know, I imagine he'll always remain politically active because he, too, likes

01:12:08.020 the action and...

01:12:09.680 And the party likes him.

01:12:10.780 They don't want him to go.

01:12:11.720 Yeah, I mean...

01:12:12.280 So it's like, they're going to want him around.

01:12:13.500 He's remade that party and he's always going to have an incredible influence there.

01:12:16.920 And so, it'll be interesting to watch, though.

01:12:20.220 Yes.

01:12:20.480 But we got to keep him busy one way or the other.

01:12:23.000 I'm going to actually take up golf despite all the things that I don't want to do and

01:12:26.700 just be like, I just got to go play golf with him because if he's alone and bored, it's going

01:12:30.780 to be problems.

01:12:31.400 Get him away from the true social.

01:12:36.100 Let's talk about the lawfare that's happening now.

01:12:39.280 What happened to your dad was deeply wrong.

01:12:41.320 It was immoral.

01:12:42.540 It was criminal.

01:12:43.300 It really was criminal what was done to him.

01:12:45.540 And you guys saw that, you know, now, before Trump took office, he filed a couple of complaints

01:12:51.320 with the DOJ seeking to be made whole on all the money he had to spend to defend himself.

01:12:58.800 And the media has gone nuts with it.

01:13:00.260 Oh, my God.

01:13:00.760 It's conflict of interest.

01:13:01.560 How could he?

01:13:02.000 How could he?

01:13:02.700 Do you know, if you listen to AM Update, you do know this, do you know how much those losers,

01:13:07.640 Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, those two FBI lovers who were tweeting, you know how much

01:13:12.500 they got from the DOJ, $2 million.

01:13:16.780 And they-

01:13:17.920 For perjuring themselves.

01:13:19.080 Yes.

01:13:19.540 And setting up a president.

01:13:22.240 I mean, it's a-

01:13:22.800 For plotting actively against him.

01:13:24.880 So they filed a complaint because they were mad their tweets got released.

01:13:27.500 And Merrick Garland's DOJ paid out.

01:13:29.300 So why shouldn't Trump file a complaint and get paid out for all of his heartache?

01:13:34.100 But I'm just speaking of the lawfare and how widespread it was and how bit by bit your

01:13:38.760 dad's trying to make good.

01:13:39.640 But the lawfare that is being unleashed against his enemies, we've had lots of debates about

01:13:45.040 it.

01:13:45.180 I'm totally in favor of it because I really think they deserve it.

01:13:47.840 It's accountability to me.

01:13:49.640 But what's your reaction?

01:13:51.000 Because the argument against it by smart people is two wrongs don't make a right, and it's

01:13:56.480 not going to stop them.

01:13:57.600 You know, when they get back in power, they're going to do it again.

01:14:02.080 It's actually a nuanced sort of answer because, like, you know, I guess the normal Don Jr.

01:14:05.660 response would be, like, just go after him.

01:14:07.360 But these guys did break the law.

01:14:10.640 They actually did.

01:14:11.420 There's a difference between what they did to my father, where they're literally going

01:14:16.080 back and literally changing the statute of limitations for a short period of time to

01:14:21.780 be able to try to get him.

01:14:24.180 When they're venue shopping.

01:14:25.720 You notice he was only sued in Atlanta, New York, D.C.

01:14:29.240 You know, there's a difference between creating a thing, you know, the Steele dossier.

01:14:36.060 Making it up.

01:14:36.480 When it's manufactured to end a result, that's different than John Bolton taking home classified

01:14:44.960 documents and breaking the law and doing that.

01:14:47.240 That's not lawfare.

01:14:48.320 That's actually called enforcing the law.

01:14:50.980 So there's two different things.

01:14:52.580 Now, the corollary to all of that is, generally speaking, there's no one weaker than a Republican

01:15:02.540 in Washington, D.C.

01:15:04.780 No, no, no.

01:15:05.920 You've seen it.

01:15:06.840 You know, you can be the most diehard red meat guy and you get to Washington, D.C.

01:15:12.260 and all of a sudden you're like, wow, I love the perks.

01:15:14.560 I love getting my ass kissed.

01:15:16.140 I love being invited to the cool person party.

01:15:19.300 You know what?

01:15:20.020 But they leave me alone if I'm like 85% Republican.

01:15:25.640 If I fold when it actually matters to my constituents, but can be beneficial to the Democrats, you

01:15:33.840 have an easy existence.

01:15:35.620 The Washington Post isn't doing their hit pieces.

01:15:37.740 I look at those hit pieces as a badge of honor.

01:15:38.680 Chief Justice John Roberts comes to mind.

01:15:40.900 Yeah.

01:15:41.220 Well, no, of course.

01:15:42.080 Robert.

01:15:42.460 But by the way, you know, how many strong Republican senators do we have?

01:15:46.320 Like three?

01:15:46.880 You know, that you'd actually want to be in one of these political fights with that.

01:15:50.660 I mean, it's it's pretty plentiful.

01:15:53.360 And so there's a component of me that believes I'd love none of this to ever happen.

01:15:58.740 I'd love it to actually be fair.

01:16:01.320 That's not ever been the case.

01:16:03.280 And until we actually start fighting the same way the Democrats do, it's never going to

01:16:08.000 stop because they're more than happy to take their wins.

01:16:11.060 You know, they talk about democracy.

01:16:12.460 It's all a soundbite.

01:16:14.160 You know, they talk about all these things.

01:16:16.120 They're so until it happens to them.

01:16:17.600 And it's like, well, this is different.

01:16:18.880 You know, rules for thee, but not for me.

01:16:21.040 Unprecedented.

01:16:21.660 They actually keep using that word as people get indicted on the left.

01:16:25.980 Unprecedented.

01:16:26.460 And I'm like, what were you doing to me, to my father, to half the Republican Party?

01:16:30.880 You know, what did you do to Peter Navarro?

01:16:32.540 What did you do to Steve Bannon?

01:16:34.100 You know, that was unprecedented.

01:16:36.280 Roger Stone.

01:16:37.120 Roger Stone.

01:16:37.720 Now that it's happening back to them, it's unprecedented all of a sudden.

01:16:41.920 You know, they can get away with that.

01:16:43.320 And they've gotten away with it because they also control still the mainstream media narrative.

01:16:47.680 They control a vast majority of tech.

01:16:51.240 You know, I think what Elon's done is great to at least people can finally see like, oh, wait a minute.

01:16:56.220 It's not actually unprecedented.

01:16:58.220 But it's hard to believe there are people that see that and they're like, oh, my God, it's unprecedented.

01:17:02.100 Like, did you not turn on a TV for a solid eight years?

01:17:06.520 You've been asleep.

01:17:07.060 Like, eight years when, you know, Trump, what, 96 indictments?

01:17:11.720 They wanted to put my father away for 750 years?

01:17:14.820 I mean, he's a young and vibrant 79.

01:17:19.140 But I think even for a high energy guy like Donald Trump, like, 750 years, maybe a lot.

01:17:28.200 I'm not sure he gets through that.

01:17:29.640 By the way, does he sleep?

01:17:31.100 Because you hear the reporters on Border Air Force One, like, you can't fall asleep because he might come back at any second.

01:17:35.940 He's constantly, like, talking to his cabinet officials.

01:17:38.060 And, like, you don't want to be the reporter who's asleep when he comes back for the fourth time and you miss the big scoop.

01:17:42.180 Honestly, like, I've rarely seen him sleep.

01:17:47.380 If he does, it is, like, three hours a night.

01:17:50.780 But it's been his whole life.

01:17:53.100 Like, so I remember, you know, coming out of, you know, the Wharton School of Finance and starting to work in the business and stuff like that.

01:17:59.400 And, you know, young 20-year-old guy in New York City, I'd go out and I'd be partying with my buddies.

01:18:04.920 I'd probably get home at...

01:18:06.180 12.

01:18:09.260 10.30.

01:18:12.060 10.30.

01:18:13.180 Let's just say that for...

01:18:15.860 And Saturday morning, my phone would ring.

01:18:19.900 You know, Don, why aren't you in the office?

01:18:23.740 I'm like, why aren't you in the office?

01:18:26.880 He's like, I'm in the office.

01:18:28.420 That's why I know you're not in it, Don.

01:18:30.940 I'm like, shit.

01:18:32.280 Nightmare.

01:18:32.640 I'm like, I'm stumbling over their hairs everywhere.

01:18:35.360 I'm hungover as hell.

01:18:36.320 And I'm like, we're going to get to the office.

01:18:38.980 And on a Saturday, sometimes Sunday.

01:18:42.020 He's just built this way.

01:18:42.980 He's just always been that way.

01:18:45.000 I mean, perhaps the most...

01:18:46.900 I've sort of been impressed with his stamina that way for most of my life.

01:18:51.520 But, I mean, even, you know, this last election, the days prior to the election, I mean, I saw him go two all-nighters in a row.

01:18:59.400 Yeah.

01:18:59.620 Like, it was all day, seven events, and I'd speak at some of them, but when he's there, he's speaking for an hour.

01:19:06.300 Yes.

01:19:06.800 I mean, it's slated for an hour, and sometimes it ends up being two and a half.

01:19:10.840 The weave.

01:19:11.840 But, you know, you've got six of them.

01:19:13.760 And we're in Michigan, and it's 2.30 in the morning, and that's 3.30.

01:19:20.300 By the time you've dealt with the time difference or wherever we end up, I think it was Michigan was the last one.

01:19:23.600 And he's still going strong.

01:19:26.500 He had six of these speeches, five of these speeches for two hours apiece.

01:19:30.160 It's 2.30 in the morning.

01:19:30.900 He's going strong.

01:19:31.460 He gets on the plane, and he starts playing music.

01:19:35.040 And I'm like, I just want to go to bed.

01:19:37.400 Like, I literally, for the love of Christ, please just turn off the music.

01:19:40.480 And he's blasting Elton John.

01:19:42.660 It's wild.

01:19:44.940 And then we get there, and it's election day.

01:19:47.080 And I get home.

01:19:48.780 It's 6 a.m.

01:19:51.080 I try to get, like, an hour or two.

01:19:53.280 I get home.

01:19:54.140 I take a shower.

01:19:55.000 I'm about to go to bed.

01:19:56.000 And I turn on the TV quickly, and he's doing interviews.

01:19:58.860 I'm like, no, I felt like I'm not, like, living up to, you know, the stage.

01:20:06.840 I literally had, like, two hours until my next thing.

01:20:09.300 I'm like, I just can't go to bed because I can't let this guy outdo me.

01:20:11.720 And it's like, I just, but all I wanted to do was go to sleep.

01:20:15.420 And he's, so I was like, and then, you know, we go into election night.

01:20:19.380 And he's, this guy still hasn't slept.

01:20:21.040 Still had it.

01:20:21.700 I mean, it was 72 hours.

01:20:23.640 It was crazy.

01:20:25.720 And he's up, and whatever happens, and then we're hanging out until 5 o'clock in the morning the next night.

01:20:30.280 At this point, I just want to shoot myself.

01:20:32.260 Like, no, I was so tired, like, winning was like, eh.

01:20:36.320 You know when you're just so tired, I was like, we have been fighting for this for five years now, right?

01:20:43.320 It was like, okay, we got to get back.

01:20:44.860 It was the ultimate sort of just comeback story.

01:20:47.480 And I'm like, I can't even enjoy it.

01:20:49.660 Like, I just want to go to bed.

01:20:52.080 So you need to catch up on your sleep.

01:20:53.960 But you have talked before about how special the White House has been to you.

01:20:57.900 Like, you and Eric up on the rooftop, smoking cigars, like, taking in the...

01:21:03.300 Unlike other presidential sons who were smoking something a little different.

01:21:08.040 Allegedly.

01:21:08.780 Or snorting, or whatever.

01:21:13.660 Hunter Biden's got me wanting to try crack cocaine.

01:21:16.420 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:21:17.840 He makes a very strong case for it.

01:21:19.640 Yeah.

01:21:20.200 Well, I love when they discovered...

01:21:21.580 I love when they discovered the cocaine at the White House.

01:21:24.280 It was like two years into the Biden administration.

01:21:26.180 They're like, it's Don Jr.'s.

01:21:27.580 So I'm like...

01:21:28.380 Let's start an investigation.

01:21:31.740 I know I'm kind of a hyper guy.

01:21:33.440 But, like, just because I'm hyper, like, they're like, doesn't mean I'm doing this.

01:21:36.720 Like, this is like...

01:21:37.180 Two years later?

01:21:38.200 I don't know.

01:21:38.760 I also feel like if I did those things, I'd probably have the sense to, like, not video all of it.

01:21:44.840 Yeah.

01:21:45.380 Like, was there an enemy of America that didn't have, like, a Hunter Biden laptop somewhere?

01:21:50.720 I was like...

01:21:51.480 Yeah.

01:21:51.720 I don't know.

01:21:52.880 You don't buy the Russian disinformation claim?

01:21:55.440 Yeah, no, I didn't.

01:21:56.420 I never did.

01:21:57.360 And you know how I knew it was actually his laptop?

01:22:00.320 Because not even he came out and denied it.

01:22:02.580 They just had other people doing it.

01:22:04.520 Right?

01:22:04.880 It was like...

01:22:05.420 Like his dad at a presidential debate, along with the help of the moderator.

01:22:08.240 Oh, that was brutal.

01:22:08.960 Yeah.

01:22:09.120 So, what about that, Bill?

01:22:11.340 Like, when you walk through the White House, do you still ever get that thing?

01:22:13.640 Like, do you...

01:22:14.000 Like, will you look where the ballroom's going to go now?

01:22:16.420 Do you get...

01:22:16.820 Look at the views.

01:22:17.800 Does it still ever get to you?

01:22:19.040 Because I asked Eric about this.

01:22:20.100 He's got his book out now, number one, Under Siege.

01:22:22.500 It's great.

01:22:23.860 And he writes about some of that, just like some of the moments you guys have had in this revered home.

01:22:28.140 Yeah, no, it's incredible.

01:22:30.380 It's an amazing place.

01:22:32.080 And, you know, every time you walk in there, you're like, man, it's cool.

01:22:35.140 You know, to be able to do some of those things that...

01:22:37.420 Even you, because you come from a pretty cool house.

01:22:39.000 Yeah, no, listen, we've got some cool houses.

01:22:40.660 We've been, you know, blessed to have some incredible experiences.

01:22:44.180 But, you know, that is different.

01:22:45.720 To be able to even be just sort of a fly on the wall, you know, of American history is truly special.

01:22:51.800 But, honestly, Bettina and I talk about this all the time.

01:22:55.100 Like, every time, like, I've been to the White House to see my father, even him, who's lived, you know, a story like, you know, very few could people...

01:23:05.660 Every single time, the White House, Air Force One, Marine One, Camp David, he'll look at me, not in front of other people, and just go, isn't this so cool?

01:23:18.640 Wow.

01:23:19.120 Like, even a guy like that, he appreciates it so much.

01:23:23.040 Like, I can't imagine Joe Biden appreciating it.

01:23:25.400 It's just, they take it for granted.

01:23:27.220 Totally.

01:23:27.740 Obama, same thing.

01:23:28.720 It's like, I deserve this.

01:23:30.300 Because Donald Trump, each and every day, he walks into the Oval Office, is like, this is the most amazing ride ever.

01:23:39.120 He appreciates it.

01:23:40.780 He understands the history of it all.

01:23:42.700 I mean, there's a level of gratitude that I think most people couldn't possibly fathom, you know, that he has.

01:23:48.540 Because, you know, we all see him off the stage, and there's a component of Trump that is, what you see is what you get.

01:23:54.800 But there is that side of him that, you know, actually has real empathy.

01:23:58.400 There's a reason people work for him for 40 years.

01:24:01.200 He gets that.

01:24:02.040 He doesn't like to show it, because sometimes he looks at it as, well, you know, if I show empathy, that's weakness when I'm dealing with Putin or Xi or whatever it may be.

01:24:12.240 But, you know, it's truly spectacular to see that kind of awe.

01:24:17.520 It's funny you should say that, because I've been, like, studying your dad just as a reporter for many years.

01:24:21.680 And in the beginning, when we had our dust-up, I was like, I don't know if he has empathy.

01:24:25.200 I want to know if he has empathy.

01:24:26.360 And for years, I questioned, does he have empathy?

01:24:28.740 And now, having studied him for a good 10, 11 years, like, closely, it's so clear he does.

01:24:34.940 He just doesn't express it in the way that everybody else might.

01:24:38.780 Like, look what he did with Charlie.

01:24:40.120 Like, we didn't have shots of Trump crying on camera.

01:24:43.560 He's not like that.

01:24:44.680 He's never going to do that.

01:24:45.340 But, I mean, like, immediately reaching out to the family, J.D. gets sent out there to get Charlie.

01:24:50.180 Charlie, your dad was so good with Erica, the Presidential Medal of Freedom, showing up at his memorial.

01:24:56.540 Like, this is how Trump shows his empathy.

01:24:59.720 Yeah, I mean, and he doesn't even, even beyond that.

01:25:02.360 But, again, he doesn't like the show.

01:25:04.180 And I've always told him, I'm like, your greatest political liability, perhaps, is not actually his social media, contrary to popular belief.

01:25:12.660 There were times, I was like, I don't know, maybe, maybe that's it.

01:25:17.020 But it's actually the fact that he's, again, it's just that old school sort of Germanic mentality of, like, you can't show that.

01:25:23.220 I'm like, no, no, show that.

01:25:24.180 He's like, you can't do it.

01:25:25.360 I'm like, he understands he could do that, but he's just not, you're not going to change.

01:25:29.880 I love how he calls you and Eric honey.

01:25:32.160 Honey.

01:25:33.120 That's so sweet.

01:25:34.260 Yeah.

01:25:34.980 Right?

01:25:35.280 It's, like, so endearing.

01:25:36.500 And always.

01:25:37.300 Always, yeah.

01:25:37.900 That's all he calls you.

01:25:39.220 Yeah.

01:25:39.380 All right, let's get back to policy, because something's happening in the Republican Party now that's very interesting.

01:25:46.800 And one of our questioners kind of raised it.

01:25:48.500 But your dad made this a big tent party.

01:25:52.040 I mean, he wrested it over to the MAGA way of looking at life.

01:25:55.760 And the old school Republicans complained.

01:25:58.440 There we go.

01:25:59.100 But they came along.

01:26:00.580 Like, it's his Republican Party now.

01:26:02.040 And they didn't leave that sort of neocon and also National Review, more traditional conservative wing.

01:26:08.040 Is still there, and they're still voting Republican, which was a feat by your dad.

01:26:13.280 But now there's, like, a push within the Republican, I don't know, if it's the party or just the side, the right, to excise certain people, certain thoughts, and for there to be more, quote, policing.

01:26:26.860 What do you make of it?

01:26:27.500 Listen, I actually think, you know, I'm a pretty conservative guy.

01:26:32.160 I always have been.

01:26:33.660 I think the irony, I think I was the only person in our family that was actually able to vote for Trump in 2016 into the New York primary because I was actually registered as a Republican.

01:26:44.440 But, no, listen, I think when I see some of those things, and it doesn't mean I'm not going to have disagreements, and it doesn't mean I'm not willing to have those disagreements publicly.

01:26:55.620 We can argue those things out.

01:26:57.340 But when you try to ostracize, I think that's a disaster.

01:27:00.280 It's like, you know, I think what's unique about the Republican Party, unlike the Democrat Party, who, you know, it's like the Borg, you've seen, you know, they, you must believe 100% of everything that we say.

01:27:12.660 And if you don't do that, you're out.

01:27:14.100 You've seen that.

01:27:14.700 You've seen what they've done to people, you know, across the board who may be with them.

01:27:19.060 I mean, I always remember with, like, the trans women in sports issue, which, you know, they're hill to die on.

01:27:23.860 But, you know, Martina Navratilova, the tennis player, she was really good friends with my mom and, you know, pretty ardent leftist.

01:27:31.060 But she was, like, a gay rights activist in the 80s before it was, like, cool, right?

01:27:38.100 Before that gave you, like, social standing.

01:27:40.380 It was actually a liability, and it was difficult.

01:27:43.020 And she was also one of the best female athletes of all time.

01:27:45.840 And she was like, I don't know, this is pretty ridiculous.

01:27:47.920 And they, like, they threw her out of the LGBT movement.

01:27:51.180 She was the only one that anyone had ever heard of, you know, prior to, again, it being, like, you know, virtue signaling.

01:27:58.640 And it was like she was out.

01:28:00.180 And then she has to try to, like, remake herself and apologize for what everyone understands is abject insanity.

01:28:08.100 And so, you know, our party, we can have differing opinions.

01:28:13.100 We can do those things, and we can bring people together and have a conversation and agree that, hey, we agree on 95% of things.

01:28:18.900 But, like, in the end, those 95% of things is going to move the needle forward for our party, for our country, for our children.

01:28:27.020 And so because you don't buy into each and every one of the soundbites doesn't mean someone needs to be ostracized entirely.

01:28:32.660 I mean, you know, since we sort of opened up talking about Charlie, I've been watching that right now where, you know, sort of the dueling factions of the Israel issue.

01:28:42.040 You know, it's a binary thing, and Charlie believed this, and here's a text message I got proving that it was 100% this.

01:28:50.220 Well, here's one that shows exactly the opposite.

01:28:52.480 I'm like, well, I don't know.

01:28:53.600 I know him pretty well.

01:28:54.160 Like, I think he could be incredibly pro-Israel and for the Israeli people, but doesn't mean that over the last few years that he couldn't have also started getting jaded about their leadership and government.

01:29:10.580 You know, the government of a country is not necessarily indicative of the people or of the nature of that.

01:29:16.060 And so there's nuance, and, you know, watching, you know, people, some of whom were real friends of him, some of whom, you know, were probably embellishing their resume of, you know, their proximity to Charlie for clicks and whatever it may be, you know, taking this binary approach.

01:29:32.460 Like, I know we discussed it sort of offline when we spoke right after that, but, you know, it was sort of disgusting.

01:29:37.760 And yet you see that.

01:29:40.500 And so, you know, you're allowed to have nuance.

01:29:44.360 You're allowed to have some of these disagreements, and I think for the most part, the people are still want a general movement towards X, Y, or Z.

01:29:52.020 But to try to boot people out, like, that's just a win for the Democrats.

01:29:55.520 They'd love us to be fractured that way.

01:29:58.120 By the way, it doesn't work.

01:29:59.500 It doesn't work.

01:30:00.480 I mean, you know, it doesn't work.

01:30:01.100 Not like National Review, you know, 20 years ago.

01:30:03.060 Now, there are people that are so actively opposed to so many of our policies, Republicans that vote against everything Republican.

01:30:11.560 You know, there's a difference.

01:30:12.480 I mean, there is a time for war, you know, with those people.

01:30:15.260 Someone's going to get primaried.

01:30:16.720 Yeah.

01:30:17.180 You know, a Mitt Romney-style Republican today, that's, you know, you might as well have a Democrat.

01:30:22.640 So you try to replace that.

01:30:24.700 That doesn't mean you can't have disagreements with some people on certain things.

01:30:27.940 And, you know, do what Charlie did, which is open up your platform to those who disagree with you, argue it out in public, you know, get to a place.

01:30:38.020 And, yeah, honestly, maybe both minds change a little bit, and you find that common ground to be able to move forward.

01:30:44.420 Yeah, right on.

01:30:45.660 I'm not for deplatforming, really.

01:30:47.380 Only in the most extreme cases where somebody's committed crimes repeatedly would I be in favor of deplatforming.

01:30:52.560 But otherwise, people can have their say, and Americans have a way of figuring it out.

01:30:57.460 Agreed.

01:30:57.880 By the way, I love when they let certain idiots keep talking because it actually, you know, it's the greatest thing in the world.

01:31:03.320 Like, when the Democrats are pushing the trans thing, when they're fighting to make sure that we're giving American taxpayer dollars to illegal immigrants for health care while our own health care system is a disaster and we're trying to fix it.

01:31:18.000 But, no, no, no, we've got billions of dollars for that, but we can't fix our roads, we can't fix our schools, we can't take care of our vets.

01:31:23.360 Like, when Democrats are keeping the government shut down and not funding our military, they voted for it again, right?

01:31:30.920 They're not going to fund our military.

01:31:31.980 When one of the leaders of the party was on, I mean, that news clip, who the hell was it?

01:31:36.600 What was her name?

01:31:38.380 Now, she was, well, people are going to have to feel pain, but that's the only leverage we have.

01:31:44.180 I mean, like, well, like they're saying the quiet parts out loud.

01:31:46.860 Like, please give her the mic.

01:31:49.300 With Kamala Harris, when they were running, I'm like, can we please get her more airtime?

01:31:53.620 Yes.

01:31:53.880 For the love of Christ, take it away from Trump, everyone knows what he wants, everyone knows his message, everyone understands his platform.

01:32:02.160 Give her the mic, because she doesn't have a message, she doesn't have a platform, and if you listen to her long enough, it's clear she really doesn't know anything.

01:32:09.460 So what you're saying is you're hoping for a Kamala resurgence.

01:32:13.880 I mean, aren't we all?

01:32:15.300 We all are.

01:32:16.640 Right?

01:32:17.120 Wouldn't we love to see that?

01:32:18.180 As a guy like me, who, you know, can talk seriously, but also does enjoy a little bit of the trolling and the ribbing, like, is there anything better?

01:32:29.540 Like, I mean, it's material forever.

01:32:31.640 I mean.

01:32:31.700 How do you know decency, man?

01:32:33.380 Yeah.

01:32:34.820 You know, the word salad, it's like, democracy without democracy isn't actually democracy for the sake of democracy.

01:32:42.580 I'm like, what is this?

01:32:44.520 Like, I literally thought, no, there was a while when I'm hearing these speeches, I'm like,

01:32:48.480 well, someone actually prepared this speech.

01:32:50.900 I'm like, it's got to be a Trump guy.

01:32:53.540 Like, no, I'm like, it has to be, like, maybe it was, like, a Trump guy that, like, dyed their hair, like, rainbow colors and, like, fooled them.

01:33:05.740 You went deep.

01:33:06.560 Yeah, and, like, I was like, it's got to be a plant.

01:33:08.580 Like, we got someone in the Kamala Harris campaign because, like, no one in their right mind would write this speech.

01:33:16.000 No, it was all genuine.

01:33:18.500 And then it was better, the speeches for the other people that were endorsing her, you know, some of the great geniuses of Hollywood.

01:33:24.980 Yeah.

01:33:25.400 They'd get up after being paid to be there millions of dollars and the teleprompter would go out and they're like, well, like, well, you're here.

01:33:32.280 Like, you don't really need the, like, it's not like we've been talking for 45 minutes.

01:33:36.840 Like, you don't need a teleprompter to have, like, why are you here?

01:33:39.580 It's like, I don't know.

01:33:40.800 I'm being paid.

01:33:41.520 Like, can you come up with something?

01:33:44.260 They're like, not really.

01:33:46.480 No, no.

01:33:47.180 I got nothing.

01:33:48.060 They did.

01:33:48.620 We had J-Lo with, you matter.

01:33:51.700 You matter.

01:33:52.900 Okay.

01:33:53.780 Yeah.

01:33:54.140 But they all found out the hard way that they don't have power anymore.

01:33:56.740 Michelle Obama.

01:33:58.080 Barack Obama.

01:33:59.380 They couldn't move the needle.

01:34:01.180 Taylor Swift.

01:34:02.400 Sorry.

01:34:03.320 You don't have power in this lane.

01:34:05.520 You mean Big Mike, right?

01:34:07.020 Big Mike.

01:34:07.580 Like, I'm not saying, I'm not saying allegedly, I'm not saying it's 100%.

01:34:19.840 I'm also not saying it's zero, folks, okay?

01:34:23.400 Like, I'm still looking for the photo of her pregnant.

01:34:28.040 Like, I've had five kids.

01:34:29.400 I got pregnant pictures all over, you know, all over the place.

01:34:32.080 I've never seen one, but I don't know.

01:34:34.820 I'm not saying it's true, but, you know.

01:34:36.760 So, there's a chance, folks.

01:34:38.260 My mom, my mom is 84, and she called me up one day, and she goes,

01:34:42.720 how come you never told me that Michelle Obama is a man?

01:34:47.980 I said, Mom, have we been on the internet again?

01:34:52.500 She's gone down the rabbit hole.

01:34:53.980 She said, no, my electrician told me.

01:34:57.680 I said, when?

01:34:59.640 She goes, when he came inside and I gave him a glass of wine.

01:35:02.740 What?

01:35:03.040 But the fact that so many people are not sure, and again, I'm not saying it's real, but there's a chance.

01:35:12.780 There's a chance.

01:35:13.000 She's a very unhappy woman.

01:35:14.480 Deeply unhappy.

01:35:16.320 I've never met somebody who hates her husband this much.

01:35:19.200 No.

01:35:19.600 I mean, you see the podcast.

01:35:20.940 I'm like, man, if I was him, I'd be like, how do you, like?

01:35:22.580 I want to smack him in the mouth when I hear him eating.

01:35:26.620 You also understand, you know, in watching that when she launched her podcast, and you have podcasts, I've got podcasts, and I'm like, you realize it's all a ruse.

01:35:35.780 Yes.

01:35:36.360 The numbers.

01:35:37.120 I'm like, so this is the most powerful.

01:35:39.280 Remember, that was the threat to run against Trump.

01:35:41.940 I'm like, that threat to run against Trump got what's like 4,000 views or something.

01:35:45.540 I'm like.

01:35:45.720 Not even like 1,000 on most of her videos.

01:35:47.900 Insanely.

01:35:48.440 Now, probably got paid 10x whatever you or I were getting for hundreds times the viewers, but, you know, but that's the Hollywood bribe, right?

01:35:55.360 Yeah.

01:35:56.020 But it's like, wow, it was all fake.

01:35:58.980 It's all an act.

01:35:59.860 They're not flocking to it at all.

01:36:00.840 And all of these things are.

01:36:02.300 I always go back sort of to trans women in sports because it does seem to be the hill to die on for the Democrat Party, but I've been complaining about this one as insanity since, like, 16, 15, 16, before it was a real issue.

01:36:14.040 And even then, you know, I remember I tweet about it.

01:36:17.300 I'm like, oh, here are the comments come.

01:36:20.080 And it wasn't what you thought.

01:36:21.520 That was like Twitter 1.0, like 95% left.

01:36:25.320 And, you know, these liberals in the comments are like, oh, I hate Don Jr. so much, but he ain't wrong on this one.

01:36:32.720 Like, it was wild.

01:36:34.820 And then you watch this thing sort of manifest into something where, like, if you were, like, trans insane, like, you were beyond reproach.

01:36:43.840 You could do nothing wrong.

01:36:45.740 You know, if you murder a bunch of Catholic school kids, like, you know, we don't understand the motive, but you're definitely not looking at my diary.

01:36:53.000 And you're like, wow, it's all a creation.

01:36:57.820 They made their own kings.

01:37:01.000 They made and created their own monarchy, but it was always a house of cards.

01:37:05.780 And you see that now, and it's like, it's a big joke.

01:37:08.500 Thank God it's falling apart.

01:37:09.780 You know, the latest poll showing that the college students coming in are far less attracted to this crazy radical ideology than the seniors who are in the colleges.

01:37:17.460 So we're winning on that issue, but it's a fight that we're going to have to stay in.

01:37:20.980 On the subject of Michelle Obama running for office, who do you view as the biggest threat on Team Blue for 2028?

01:37:31.940 Kamala.

01:37:33.080 Yeah.

01:37:33.820 I know.

01:37:34.220 I'm very scared.

01:37:36.600 I don't think our bench can overcome her.

01:37:40.220 Do it.

01:37:41.840 Do it.

01:37:43.060 Send her in.

01:37:45.640 Jasmine Crockett.

01:37:46.940 Oh.

01:37:47.460 What do you mean?

01:37:50.680 She's Texas.

01:37:52.860 She's yours.

01:37:54.340 Oh, no, no, no.

01:37:56.080 You guys own that.

01:37:57.880 You guys own that.

01:37:59.200 That's on you.

01:38:01.140 No, but that's the reality, right?

01:38:04.180 No, hard no.

01:38:05.840 Listen, there's the obvious ones.

01:38:07.700 And like, you know, literally, like the fact that AOC is a contender in the polling.

01:38:11.560 You know, Gavin Newsom, you destroy San Francisco, you destroy California.

01:38:16.020 Now you're totally qualified to destroy America.

01:38:18.740 I mean, that's wonderful.

01:38:19.440 Probably not something people should vote for.

01:38:22.900 Pete Buttigieg?

01:38:24.640 Yeah.

01:38:25.560 They're literally laughing out loud.

01:38:27.760 I like our Pete better than a chest-feeding Pete Buttigieg any day.

01:38:33.820 Like, but, but again, but Pete Buttigieg, last time, he was a real contender.

01:38:39.280 Why?

01:38:39.700 Because he was a mayor of a small town in Indiana that didn't do anything and had no real world

01:38:43.500 qualifications?

01:38:44.440 It was a media creation.

01:38:45.240 It was a media creation.

01:38:46.200 Well, no, but he's LBGTQIA.

01:38:48.580 So it's like, oh, well, that's, that's good enough.

01:38:50.880 Kamala says he can't have that on the ticket with her.

01:38:53.100 Yeah.

01:38:54.460 So, you know, and well, she chose Tim Walsh for his masculinity.

01:38:59.360 Like, I'm like, when, when they started doing the magus afraid of Tim Walsh's masculinity,

01:39:08.620 I'm like, I'm not so sure, but I'm good with it.

01:39:14.200 Keep pushing it.

01:39:15.680 He's a shooter in this.

01:39:17.020 I'm watching him struggle, like loading a, you know, an auto loader shack.

01:39:20.020 I'm like, just send me out of the bag.

01:39:20.920 It's not that hard.

01:39:21.460 They all sort of load the same way, but like, but it goes to show you how unrelatable the

01:39:28.540 Democrat party is to them.

01:39:30.280 That was actually masculine.

01:39:32.240 Get him some camel.

01:39:32.720 What would have been arguably like the most effeminate man I know in politics, that was

01:39:40.300 like the most masculine.

01:39:41.820 And that was to balance out the ticket.

01:39:43.800 And I'm, you know, remember when he came out like with spirit fingers and I'm like,

01:39:48.160 they're like, yeah.

01:39:50.640 And I'm like, what is a guy getting called on the price is right.

01:39:53.540 That's what he looked like.

01:39:54.340 Like down to contestant showdown.

01:39:55.720 I literally, I was like, are they punking?

01:39:58.940 I was, I was waiting for like Ashton Kutcher to jump out of a cake and be like, you're being

01:40:02.000 punked.

01:40:03.140 Obviously this is not it.

01:40:04.860 Like it was, it was wild.

01:40:07.020 And so, you know, I think they're so lost and they buy their own BS so much because it's

01:40:13.960 reinforced by everyone.

01:40:15.340 Right.

01:40:15.740 Yeah.

01:40:16.220 You know, I think there's great American citizens who can be, you know, and are moderate Democrats

01:40:23.740 in the heartland of the country, but they have no actual representation because you can't

01:40:29.560 win, you know, a statewide race without money from California and New York.

01:40:34.040 And if you're taking that money from California, New York, Soros, you know, the other insanos

01:40:39.160 and communists, like you basically have to tow the line for the most radical parts of that

01:40:46.080 agenda.

01:40:46.660 And so it's a rudderless ship.

01:40:48.820 And that's truly scary because they do keep winning.

01:40:52.520 They're, they're able to influence so much.

01:40:54.720 I think, you know, we chipped away so much of that.

01:40:56.880 Charlie was able to do so much of that with, you know, the youth movement where people are

01:41:00.420 like, you know, once he opened up his platform to everyone and, you know, young kids were like

01:41:06.020 watching him argue with some leftist or some, you know, doctor, you know, of, you know,

01:41:12.960 gender studies at a university and, you know, watching this guy that never even went to college

01:41:17.480 just dismantle their arguments one by one.

01:41:19.760 They're like, wait a minute, maybe we've just been misled.

01:41:22.220 And you had, you saw this dynamic shift, you know, the propagandizing of, you know, so much

01:41:28.780 of our children's lives from elementary school onward, you know, it's hard to break through.

01:41:34.000 And so guys like that were able to do it.

01:41:35.440 But once they see that message, you realize like the Democrat party doesn't offer you anything

01:41:40.080 unless you're totally dependent on big government, in which case your voters.

01:41:43.940 And that's why, and that's why rather than actually appeal to reasonable Americans, they

01:41:50.600 have to import a new voter base.

01:41:52.900 It's all very obvious.

01:41:54.760 It's why they're out there literally defending the due process for criminal cartel gang members

01:42:02.560 running go-fast boats out of Venezuela, bringing fentanyl to our country.

01:42:07.700 They're more concerned about the due process of that than they were me, my father, anyone

01:42:16.500 that was within about 500 miles of Washington, D.C. on January 6th.

01:42:21.240 Their due process, screw that.

01:42:24.180 But people who are bringing in fentanyl that kills, by the way, 100,000 Americans a year,

01:42:27.760 two Vietnams a year, they're worried about due process for them?

01:42:33.280 Come on, man.

01:42:34.080 Like, this is not a party that you can stand behind, even if you don't necessarily agree

01:42:39.540 with a lot of conservative principles.

01:42:41.720 They're just lost.

01:42:43.220 I mean, they're voting and they're hoping for America to fail.

01:42:47.020 Have you felt the resurgence of influx, you know, of young conservatives in the wake of

01:42:55.120 Charlie's death?

01:42:55.860 I mean, I feel like we've all felt it on some level, like people migrating to the Republican

01:43:00.200 Party, to your dad, putting on a MAGA hat, putting on a Charlie Kirk or a Turning Point

01:43:04.140 hat.

01:43:05.080 I mean, anecdotally, we've all felt it.

01:43:06.660 But do you think that's real?

01:43:08.720 I think it's very real.

01:43:09.800 I mean, and I saw it, like I said.

01:43:11.040 I think, you know, Charlie would have said I probably did more Turning Point events than

01:43:15.580 anyone other than him.

01:43:17.740 You know, in the last 10 years, it was a big part of what I wanted to do.

01:43:21.880 And maybe just, you know, I'm like the old guy at Turning Point now.

01:43:24.500 So it maybe just makes me feel young.

01:43:26.860 But no, it's amazing going around the country now.

01:43:29.300 I mean, when he came to me in like 15, 16, and he was like, hey, we're going to do these

01:43:34.740 college events.

01:43:35.340 I spoke about it at his, you know, memorial services.

01:43:38.480 I was like, wait, what?

01:43:39.460 Like, we're going to go do an event at Penn State, and we're going to go to, you know,

01:43:43.400 I told the story about being at, I guess it was Michigan State, and we're about to go

01:43:46.920 on there.

01:43:47.280 It's an auditorium, you know, similar to this.

01:43:49.540 And of course, the university, you know, we have 5,000 reservations, and they give you

01:43:54.000 a room that holds 1,000 or whatever it is.

01:43:55.760 And, you know, they wouldn't do that.

01:43:56.860 And then they got to make sure that the leftists get in there.

01:43:58.760 And, you know, the state police came up to us, and we're like, listen, we can't tell

01:44:02.440 you not to go on, but we also can't guarantee your safety at this point.

01:44:05.240 It was that riled up.

01:44:06.180 And we're like, no, both of our mentality was like, hey.

01:44:09.460 I'd rather get my ass kicked than actually give them what they want and fold.

01:44:13.400 And so we went out there and did it anyway.

01:44:14.900 And like, but we won over the crowd that it sort of started out rambunctious.

01:44:19.880 And like, the crowd just shut down because it was just, you know, they weren't exactly

01:44:24.000 sending their finest, no different than the No Kings protests.

01:44:26.580 I'm like, I'm like, you know, every once in a while, it's nice to shoot fish in a barrel.

01:44:30.020 So especially in a place like that.

01:44:31.400 So what's her name again?

01:44:33.440 Big Chungus.

01:44:34.800 Yeah.

01:44:35.100 Yeah.

01:44:35.280 You know, so it was great.

01:44:37.640 And so we did these things.

01:44:38.760 And you saw that movement.

01:44:39.600 And year after year, I watched that organization grow and get bigger.

01:44:43.140 And the first time we did, you know, AmFest, it was like 500 people in a room.

01:44:46.760 And that was huge.

01:44:47.680 Wow.

01:44:48.000 And it was 2,000 and 3,000.

01:44:49.680 It was like 18,000 last year.

01:44:51.540 And I'm like, man, this is.

01:44:52.600 But I also see it when I'm just around and out.

01:44:55.920 And it's not just the young people.

01:44:57.260 It's, you know, Hispanics, you know, and African Americans, people that come up to you that

01:45:01.880 just because you still, you know, like if you watch CNN long enough about yourself, you're

01:45:05.360 like, I must be a terrible person.

01:45:06.580 Like, you still even buy into some of, you know, the narrative.

01:45:10.560 Like, there's, you know, people run up to you and you're like, am I going to get like

01:45:13.960 hit?

01:45:14.640 Or, and it's like, can we take a selfie?

01:45:16.420 I'm like, I didn't see that coming.

01:45:18.840 Yeah.

01:45:19.100 The seismic shift, I saw a little bit during the first term, you know, and then once Biden

01:45:27.140 came in and people were really experiencing that pain, it was just like overwhelming.

01:45:32.560 Like all of the demographics that are not supposed to be republic, they can't possibly be, I mean,

01:45:38.980 just wide open.

01:45:40.720 I mean, and, you know, that's continuing to this day.

01:45:44.480 And so I think that's huge.

01:45:45.700 We just got to make sure we keep that going and we don't let that slide.

01:45:49.100 How do you, yeah.

01:45:51.500 How do you feel about the investigation into Charlie's death?

01:45:54.800 Can we have faith in it?

01:45:56.020 Do you feel like it's being well handled?

01:45:59.400 So far, listen, so far, so good.

01:46:01.360 I think, you know, I've had this conversation with a lot of the guys that have been, you

01:46:04.880 know, very involved from the beginning and, you know, others that are a big part of that

01:46:08.740 movement that are, you know, are going to take, you know, more of a role, you know, you

01:46:12.520 know, guys like JD, like, hey, he believes we have to keep this going.

01:46:15.500 People, you know, myself, hey, I got to do, I did a lot of them, but I got to do even

01:46:19.080 more.

01:46:19.460 We got to keep this going.

01:46:20.720 There's not, there's never going to be a replacement for Charlie Crick.

01:46:23.480 You can't plug that in.

01:46:24.520 But if we can find 10 people that can do 10% of what he did and they go all in and do that,

01:46:30.820 we can keep that alive.

01:46:32.040 And honestly, we all owe that to him to do it.

01:46:35.860 And so, you know, we're going to, we're going to make sure that happens.

01:46:40.200 And, you know, again, you know, maybe we're blessed to, again, one day find a generational

01:46:46.280 talent like that that can, you know, take over and step in.

01:46:49.240 But, you know, I think he helped create and foment so many, you know, young people and bring

01:46:56.440 them into the movement where they're able to speak their mind.

01:46:58.980 And now the big part of it is really a critical mass.

01:47:02.240 You know, they used to get the whole, you know, hey, Don, great to see you, like, you

01:47:05.940 know, hiding their support.

01:47:08.220 People have learned that the biggest thing we can do is be unafraid.

01:47:12.180 If we're unafraid, if you're willing to speak your mind, you can do that respectfully.

01:47:15.800 No one's telling you you have to get on a mic and speak in front of thousands of people.

01:47:18.920 But just having the dialogue in and of itself is enough.

01:47:23.540 You know, so many more people than you would ever possibly know believe what you believe.

01:47:30.580 But there's been a social consequence to actually saying it out loud.

01:47:34.280 You know, they've seen that.

01:47:35.100 They've been through cancel culture.

01:47:36.740 They've been to the PTA meetings.

01:47:38.460 They've seen what happens in the Starbucks lines.

01:47:41.080 You open that door for them.

01:47:42.860 Once they realize, you know what, there is kind of a support network here if I figure it

01:47:47.480 out.

01:47:47.600 How liberating it is.

01:47:48.080 Just how liberating it is.

01:47:48.800 It's so cathartic.

01:47:49.880 You can't die in your bed saying, thank God I never offended anyone.

01:47:54.240 That is just no way to go through life.

01:47:56.100 That would be such a sad result.

01:47:57.600 I actually feel like if I haven't offended someone, I've actually accomplished nothing.

01:48:01.100 Yes, I failed.

01:48:02.820 Now, I'm a bit of a masochist when it comes to this crap, but I...

01:48:05.820 So, just to round back, do you have confidence in the investigation?

01:48:10.200 Should we have confidence in this FBI investigating?

01:48:13.280 I do.

01:48:14.000 You know, and I...

01:48:14.880 I mean, I don't know.

01:48:16.500 I don't like it when the people have the private...

01:48:18.740 You know, but I've spoken to everyone, you know, around and, you know, Erica.

01:48:23.280 And, like, I do have confidence in it.

01:48:26.940 You know, when I start seeing some of the other stuff, it's like, man.

01:48:29.540 And, by the way, just so we're clear, as you all probably know, if you're here, you probably

01:48:33.760 follow me a little bit.

01:48:35.000 Like, I'm about as conspiratorial as it gets within the realm of sanity for good cause,

01:48:40.660 right?

01:48:40.840 I think I was the guy that first said, like, the difference between a conspiracy theory and

01:48:43.980 the truth is usually about six months, you know, I was the guy canceled for pushing all

01:48:49.000 of the obvious things that were conspiracy theories that, you know, Wuhan or whatever

01:48:52.300 it may be, you know, lab virus leak.

01:48:54.700 You know, the problem is that there is a cottage industry of just clicks and people that are

01:49:01.320 more than happy to, you know, to profiteer, you know, off of that.

01:49:04.560 Again, I'm not saying that a lot of this stuff isn't real and isn't true, and I've been pushing

01:49:08.860 all of that, but some of the stuff does get a little bit off the rails, and I think, you

01:49:13.020 know, you're really, it's been used even by the other side as a way to distract from the

01:49:19.460 bigger picture of what happened to him, of what the other side has proven that they are

01:49:24.260 actually willing to do.

01:49:25.960 You know, I got in trouble a little bit for saying, you know, people are like, that was

01:49:28.980 so terrible.

01:49:29.500 I go, no, you should watch the video.

01:49:31.580 I go, no, but that's gruesome.

01:49:32.460 Maybe you're a friend.

01:49:32.920 I was like, no, watch the video.

01:49:35.280 It is gruesome.

01:49:36.940 It is sick.

01:49:38.420 It is absolutely disgusting, but it is exactly what they are willing to do to you, okay?

01:49:44.580 Not just this lunatic, the guys that tried to kill my father, the Democratic nominee

01:49:51.060 to be attorney general over in Virginia.

01:49:54.580 I mean, where he's talking about, I hope they kill my opponent, and I hope they kill his

01:49:59.680 fascist child.

01:50:00.380 I mean, this is the guy that could be the leading law enforcement official in the state

01:50:06.120 of Virginia wishing that someone would murder his opponent and his children for having opposing

01:50:14.280 views.

01:50:15.340 We can't just say, okay, well, there's evil in the world.

01:50:18.720 You have to understand how much it is, and this goes back to what we were talking about

01:50:22.580 earlier, but we have to understand that.

01:50:26.020 And I'm not saying, when I say we have to play the same game, resort to violence, but

01:50:30.020 we have to understand what they are willing to do.

01:50:32.280 What they're capable of.

01:50:32.680 And we have to do everything in our minds and everything imaginable to prevent that from

01:50:37.420 ever happening again, because that should never happen in any free nation, certainly

01:50:42.160 not in America in 2025.

01:50:44.280 And we're talking about how, we're talking about the solutions to that.

01:50:47.220 No one on the right side is calling for violence.

01:50:49.340 It is use your voice, speak out, stop being a closet Republican or a closet conservative.

01:50:54.220 Wear it loud and proud, vote, vote in the local school board elections, vote in every

01:50:58.580 election, canvas, get your neighbors there.

01:51:00.380 All of it.

01:51:01.000 I mean, again, it's not just about president.

01:51:03.160 When Trump's not on the ticket, you can't be like, well, I don't have Trump now, so I'm

01:51:05.980 not going to vote.

01:51:06.400 No, you got to vote down the chain.

01:51:08.940 School boards, probably one of the most, hell, there's congressional seats I'd give up to win

01:51:13.280 certain school boards.

01:51:14.160 Right on.

01:51:14.500 Okay.

01:51:15.020 Dog catcher.

01:51:16.320 They will figure out how to weaponize the dog catcher.

01:51:18.900 So run for that too.

01:51:20.320 We have to do a clean sweep.

01:51:23.260 We have to be engaged at all costs.

01:51:27.000 And we can't, again, buy into the narrative where they're, well, the violence is coming

01:51:31.060 from both sides.

01:51:32.020 No, it is not.

01:51:34.500 The violence is coming from one side.

01:51:36.820 Don't let them get away with that.

01:51:38.740 Don't let them sell you that.

01:51:40.460 There's a vast majority of the Democrat left that literally believes it's coming from both

01:51:44.840 sides.

01:51:45.300 Well, point out where the violence is coming from the right.

01:51:47.400 Name one.

01:51:50.000 Yeah, we'll wait.

01:51:51.000 Name one.

01:51:51.960 They can't do it.

01:51:52.660 It's coming from one side.

01:51:55.080 People have to understand that.

01:51:56.520 And it has to stop.

01:51:58.560 The left points to two incidents.

01:52:01.220 They point to the break-in at Nancy Pelosi's house and that Minnesota state lawmaker who

01:52:06.680 was attacked.

01:52:07.740 Neither of those, those are leftist victims, but neither of those was attacked by a conservative

01:52:13.780 or by anybody motivated by conservatism or anything that they've heard from conservatives.

01:52:17.600 Like the narrative that it was.

01:52:18.200 They're like, well, this happened from a conservative.

01:52:19.760 No, it didn't.

01:52:20.460 No, it didn't.

01:52:21.040 They were Democratic lawmakers murdered by a Democrat.

01:52:22.840 That worked for a while.

01:52:23.620 The guy who attacked Paul Pelosi was carrying BLM flags and pride flags and was about as far

01:52:29.060 left as they come.

01:52:29.840 And the guy who attacked the Minnesota state lawmaker said he was motivated by Tim Walss,

01:52:34.000 who he claimed told him to go and kill her.

01:52:36.300 And he worked for that.

01:52:37.360 He was actually an employee of Tim Walss.

01:52:39.000 He had worked for Tim Walss.

01:52:39.900 This wasn't, you know, hiring MAGA Republicans in all fairness, but, but again, but it doesn't

01:52:44.500 prevent them from running that narrative.

01:52:46.040 I see it on social media and it gets thousands.

01:52:48.120 It's a conservative that did it.

01:52:49.360 No, it's not.

01:52:50.860 It's not.

01:52:51.460 But when they, when they lost all their other options, when they can't win with dialogue,

01:52:56.900 when they can't win with facts, when they can no longer jam it through because they're

01:53:01.540 indoctrinating our children in schools, they feel desperate.

01:53:05.680 This is their last line of defense because they've literally lost every other mechanism.

01:53:09.900 to make their points because their points are so bad that it doesn't work.

01:53:14.160 Are open-minded to political violence.

01:53:15.700 One third.

01:53:16.520 I'm actually surprised it's that low based on what I see, based on the narrative I see

01:53:20.120 on social, based on the commentary, based on, you know, what's been sent to me.

01:53:24.920 Do you ever get scared for yourself or your family?

01:53:29.400 I always, you know, think much more about my children.

01:53:32.120 I sort of, you know, I've sort of decided I'm just going to put myself out there and

01:53:35.280 you're not going to, you know, be able to move forward the ball by sitting in a

01:53:38.800 in a back room, right?

01:53:39.800 You know, you're, you just can't do it.

01:53:41.300 And I'm just not going to let them do that.

01:53:43.020 But, but, you know, I, I got the sort of, you know, powder filled, you know, white powder

01:53:50.620 filled envelopes with, you know, the sort of the cutout letters and hate mail.

01:53:53.820 I hope you die.

01:53:54.440 And then, you know, I've had that a couple of times.

01:53:56.180 I've actually one of, one of the last, you know, live events of the 2024 campaign I did

01:54:04.280 with Charlie Kirk.

01:54:05.060 We almost had to stop because there was a guy threatening to kill me or whatever it

01:54:08.360 was.

01:54:08.660 And it was out there.

01:54:09.760 And I think, you know, we were like, well, you can't go.

01:54:12.440 I was like, I'm going.

01:54:14.220 And, you know, actually the cops like got them like before the event happened, but like

01:54:17.880 they were out there doing this.

01:54:18.880 So, you know, for me, it's become almost like just there's, there's an element of that

01:54:25.400 that's there and you just got to, you got to take the chance, but I'm just not willing

01:54:28.160 to put what I believe on hold for that.

01:54:31.280 But it's more scary when, you know, my daughter has a stalker or whatever it may be.

01:54:35.200 Then these things happen as well.

01:54:36.600 And it's, you know, I'm much more fearful of that than I am for myself.

01:54:41.020 Honestly, thank you for being that way and setting that example, Don, because we all have

01:54:45.540 to do it to some extent again, you know, they're resorting to.

01:54:48.880 Violence.

01:54:49.320 Right now.

01:54:50.160 What was Charlie's crime?

01:54:51.480 Charlie wasn't a radical.

01:54:52.440 Charlie literally every day opened up one of the largest platforms in conservatism to

01:54:57.860 people who despised him.

01:55:00.500 He gave them one of the largest platforms in the world every day to try to make their

01:55:05.020 point.

01:55:05.920 The fact that they weren't able to do that and he was effective, that was his crime and

01:55:12.980 they killed him for it.

01:55:13.840 What, why?

01:55:14.980 I've thought a lot about this in the last month.

01:55:17.000 Why was Charlie targeted?

01:55:20.640 Because he was effective.

01:55:22.400 I think he's the most effective messenger we had, especially for, you know, again, perhaps

01:55:28.420 across the board, but certainly for the youth.

01:55:32.620 And I think the Democrat party, it's why they've spent so hard taking over academia.

01:55:38.900 It's why every preschool teacher is indoctrinating children.

01:55:41.660 The stories I hear around the country are, it's mind blowing how bad it is and how infected

01:55:47.240 it is.

01:55:47.560 And the fact that he was able to take them, not like the conservative party.

01:55:51.120 It's like, well, you know, I used to think it when he first proposed to the college campus

01:55:54.560 tours.

01:55:54.900 It was like, well, we'll get them when they're 35 and they start paying taxes.

01:55:57.860 It's like, well, man, but you're missing it.

01:56:00.120 You know, the fact that he was taking them, you know, out of like, you know, graduate level

01:56:06.660 indoctrination and turning them in a, in a couple of weeks and a couple of months and

01:56:12.020 a year or two of college, you know, that was a huge threat to the Democrat party.

01:56:17.340 You know, that was their lock.

01:56:18.660 They had the youth until God knows when.

01:56:21.420 And Charlie flipped those numbers on his head.

01:56:23.200 And, you know, that was the threat.

01:56:26.060 And then he made his speaking ground, one of the most dangerous places in America today,

01:56:32.440 college campuses.

01:56:33.720 Yeah.

01:56:34.040 I mean, but it's a reminder.

01:56:35.280 I take that whole thing as a reminder that we shouldn't cede the youth.

01:56:39.100 We shouldn't cede an entire generation to the left.

01:56:41.840 What if, as we've seen in the recent decades, they do get stuck there?

01:56:45.320 They don't get out of it.

01:56:46.620 And they're gettable.

01:56:47.880 We can't cede anything, but we certainly can't give up on our kids.

01:56:52.360 Right?

01:56:52.840 And I don't mean just picking them up at college level.

01:56:55.240 We have to, that's why the school board stuff is so important, because we got to make sure

01:56:58.200 these radicals aren't having the opportunity to indoctrinate our kids.

01:57:02.660 Where they can't read, they can't do basic math, they don't understand how anything in

01:57:06.600 the real world works, but they do understand there's 4,376 genders.

01:57:10.800 That bullshit has to stop.

01:57:12.760 Right?

01:57:13.140 No.

01:57:13.460 Right on.

01:57:13.820 We can't compete against the world if our kids are being indoctrinated with woke, leftist

01:57:20.880 ideology and nothing that's actually practical.

01:57:24.260 Right?

01:57:24.520 You see it every day.

01:57:25.500 You see it coming out of college campuses.

01:57:27.960 People, they're complaining about the irony of sort of the, you know, paying off the student

01:57:32.940 loans by the Biden administration.

01:57:34.340 It was a bribe to the elite.

01:57:36.580 But, well, guess what, guys?

01:57:38.260 Like, if you're asking a plumber to pay off your student loan because you got a gender

01:57:44.260 studies doctorate, maybe you're not as elite as you think you are.

01:57:49.980 Like, you know, like maybe you're not all that elite.

01:57:53.500 Like, if you can't, if the Democrat Party thinks that a three-year-old should be able

01:57:58.000 to change their gender without parental consent, but an 18-year-old is incapable of signing

01:58:03.520 on the bottom line of a student loan document, Houston, we have a problem.

01:58:08.800 Yeah, right.

01:58:10.240 So, you know, again, the irony and the hypocrisy of the way they look at the world, it's like

01:58:15.600 whatever suits their narrative, they're okay to latch on, but you point out the corollary

01:58:19.280 and it's like, no, no, well, that's different.

01:58:21.520 And so we have to get after that.

01:58:23.600 I mean, the youth in America, that's number one.

01:58:27.080 I'm an old guy.

01:58:28.380 I can stop doing whatever I want to do right now.

01:58:30.380 I can go back to, you know, my fishing cabin and, like Tucker, probably be pretty happy

01:58:35.480 for the rest of my life.

01:58:36.940 It's like, I keep doing this because we're fighting for them.

01:58:42.020 Don Jr., thank you.

01:58:43.660 Thanks for all your family has given and thanks for what you personally have done.

01:58:47.260 Thank you so much, Bagan.

01:58:48.180 Really admire you.

01:58:49.040 Thank you, guys.

01:58:49.980 Isn't he amazing?

01:58:52.660 Aw, thank you.

01:58:56.280 Whatever I can do.

01:58:57.080 Yes, I appreciate it.

01:58:58.580 I trust you at Ampest anyway.

01:59:00.060 Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

01:59:01.020 You will.

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01:59:02.620 Thank you, guys.

01:59:03.420 Thank you for coming.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 24, 2025

Donald Trump Jr. and Jesse Kelly - ＂Megyn Kelly Live＂ From Texas, on Speaking Truth and Staying in the Fight ｜ Ep 1179

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