The Megyn Kelly Show - Dr. Ben Carson on American Exceptionalism, Being Victors Instead of Victims, and Biden and Trump

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:12.340 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show. Today, Dr. Ben Carson,

00:00:17.460 one of my favorite people. I just love him. I love the way he sees America, the world,

00:00:23.020 how smart he is in diagnosing our problems and our solutions. And if you actually want

00:00:28.600 to hear some of his solutions, you can actually go. He's now working as the founder and chairman

00:00:32.440 of American Cornerstone Institute, which is, it's basically a conservative think tank providing

00:00:39.120 common sense solutions to our problems, right? They're centered around things that are important

00:00:43.920 to him, faith, liberty, community, and so on. So you can check that out. But he's going to talk about

00:00:49.800 where we are right now in this country, why we got here, some of the motivations he sees

00:00:53.900 behind some of the shifts that we're dealing with, you know, when it comes to race, when it comes to

00:01:00.500 education, when it comes to the media and so on. And I think he's sort of consistent with his history

00:01:05.620 as a pediatric neurosurgeon who's truly world renowned. He's a great diagnostician. So you'll

00:01:11.620 love this interview. He's his good old self. And he's just a dear man. So Ben Carson in one minute.

00:01:17.900 First, this. It's such a pleasure to talk to you again. What's going on? How's everything?

00:01:29.280 All kinds of things are going on. You know, we've got the American Cornerstone Institute

00:01:33.740 trying to get people to look at the founding principles that really, it was no coincidence

00:01:39.840 that we went from a bunch of ragtag militiamen to the pinnacle of the world record time. And,

00:01:44.820 you know, looking at some of the reasons that that happened, and maybe also trying to get people

00:01:49.720 to recognize that we're not each other's enemies. And if we continue to act like we are,

00:01:54.600 we're going to destroy ourselves.

00:01:56.660 Yeah, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

00:01:59.240 Absolutely.

00:01:59.680 I worry about it too. I thought about it a lot over the July 4th holidays. I know a lot of Americans did.

00:02:05.600 And you see the flags flying everywhere. And that's how we all grew up, where the one thing that would

00:02:09.520 bring us together was whatever our differences. We loved being Americans.

00:02:12.720 We loved the idea behind this country. You know, though it hasn't been executed perfectly,

00:02:18.220 no one ever thought it would be. And that's all changing.

00:02:23.860 Well, you know, that's why Benjamin Franklin said, you know, it was a great republic if we can keep it.

00:02:30.700 Knowing what human nature is and knowing that people have a tendency to want to acquire power

00:02:36.420 onto themselves and to rule other people and understanding that the eight cycles of civilization,

00:02:45.200 how it has worked traditionally, we were right to wonder whether we could keep it.

00:02:52.460 And this is perhaps the most severe challenge we've had to it.

00:02:56.740 So how does that, I mean, like, let's just go with that for a second.

00:02:59.000 What happens if the country continues in this direction?

00:03:02.100 I mean, how would it effectively end? I saw a poll the other day saying something like two out of

00:03:07.000 three Southern state Republicans actually do want secession. I don't know. How does the experiment end

00:03:13.700 if it ends?

00:03:14.680 Well, I think it would end with a terrible war because, you know, people, there was a time when

00:03:22.960 it was Democrats and Republicans. And, you know, they both wanted the same thing, but they had very

00:03:29.420 different approaches to getting it. Now it's different. Now we have people who love the

00:03:37.060 principles that established our nation and love the benefits of our nation versus people who don't

00:03:45.320 love our nation and really would like to fundamentally change it to something else. And, you know, the first

00:03:51.780 group really feels that the country is, you know, upformed by the people. And the second group feels

00:03:58.880 that, you know, the government can handle things much better than individuals can. So it's really

00:04:05.320 a severe dichotomy. But even that can be cured if people were willing to sit down and talk to each

00:04:13.560 other rather than get in their respective corners and throw hand grenades. And, you know, that's what I'm

00:04:19.900 dedicating my life to. That's what ACI is dedicating our lives to, is trying to get people to

00:04:26.240 actually sit down, understand what's going on. For instance, you know, when we talk about liberty,

00:04:34.020 you know, America was the bastion of liberty, the representation of liberty. And some people say,

00:04:40.900 well, we still have all of our liberties. But do we, in fact, just because the government,

00:04:45.820 for instance, doesn't limit our freedom of speech, if it allows big tech and media to do it,

00:04:53.700 it's the same deleterious effect. And that's what we have got to be able to understand.

00:05:02.280 And even corporate America now cracking down by firing people for saying the wrong thing,

00:05:07.880 having the wrong beliefs. Yeah, it's great that you can utter the words you want from your mouth,

00:05:14.100 you can have whatever ideas in your head, but any expression of them really could lead to

00:05:18.660 catastrophic events in your life for thought crimes, really. That's what it is.

00:05:23.980 No, no question. And the media, I'm very surprised that they go along with this, because

00:05:29.800 if they know anything about history, they recognize that the first thing communist regimes do is control

00:05:37.020 the media. Well, that over, they've, they've won that battle, they have overtaken the media,

00:05:43.960 you know, the far left, and not the reasonable left at all. It's the far left who controls the

00:05:48.400 people in those anchor chairs, and who run those corporations. And I've seen that firsthand,

00:05:53.860 not at Fox, obviously, but that Fox is the antidote. But I think I've been thinking about it lately,

00:05:59.580 because you've seen, it's very in vogue now to just bash America as a unit, you know, just the idea

00:06:07.920 of America is disgusting to some people now. And we saw it just this month, last week, when BLM in Utah

00:06:14.440 issued this hateful Facebook post, all right, the BLM, this is the same group that our State Department

00:06:20.460 has its flag flying the BLM flag at our embassies worldwide. Okay, there's, they're flying the BLM flag.

00:06:26.200 Unbelievable. And this group comes out and says, our flag is a symbol of hate. They said,

00:06:32.560 when we Black Americans see this flag, we know the person flying it is not safe to be around.

00:06:37.180 When we see this flag, we know the person flying it is a racist. When we see this flag,

00:06:41.380 we question your intelligence, we know to avoid you. It is a symbol of hatred. So basically,

00:06:48.020 anybody flying the American flag is, is a stupid, dangerous, racist, says the group whose letters

00:06:54.980 were painting on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan and flying at our embassies across the world.

00:07:01.520 Well, I'm going to say something that will sound very strange. But in a way, it's a good thing that

00:07:08.280 these far left groups are being so aggressive, because I think it's waking people up. We were

00:07:15.960 sort of like the frog in a saucepan being slowly cooked. And now they've turned the heat all the way

00:07:21.680 up and the frogs are jumping out. And that's a good thing. That's going to save us. I really do

00:07:26.880 believe that the overriding enthusiasm of the left to try to do everything that they can do very

00:07:36.040 quickly is going to hurt them in the long run. Hmm. I hope you're right. I mean, we're seeing it on the,

00:07:41.960 on the defunding of police from city to city. Extraordinary developments out of Minneapolis.

00:07:51.040 All right. So I just looked up these stats because I thought this lawsuit was really interesting.

00:07:55.220 As you know, after George Floyd, killings surged in American cities, cops pulled back. They were

00:08:00.900 being called racists. They pulled back. The murder rate in Milwaukee nearly doubled. DC saw a 64%

00:08:07.560 increase in homicides. Philly hit a 30 year high. And then there's Minneapolis, the city in which

00:08:12.640 George Floyd was killed last year after Floyd was the second deadliest year in Minneapolis history.

00:08:22.200 Number one, apparently it was 1995 when it was dubbed murderopolis. Okay. None of those people's

00:08:27.520 pictures are going to wind up on TV. No one's getting a statue like George Floyd is getting. Um,

00:08:32.940 but they all died, uh, in the wake of this narrative about police, that they're awful,

00:08:38.820 terrible people and the, the defunding of the cops. Okay. So it, in 2021 from January to July,

00:08:45.860 just, just that timeframe, homicides are up 34% compared to the year earlier. Several children

00:08:50.900 have been killed by gunfire just in recent weeks. Six-year-old girl riding in a car,

00:08:55.320 nine-year-old girl on a trampoline at a birthday party, another six-year-old girl having a happy meal

00:09:00.200 in her mom's car. That's three kids just in the past few weeks. So what happens there? Plaintiffs

00:09:05.620 got together, city residents, and they filed a lawsuit. Just eight, eight people. That's all it

00:09:11.800 took. Filed the lawsuit. And they said the city council and the mayor are not protecting us. And

00:09:18.460 they cited this huge increase in shootings and homicides, as well as by the way, the destruction of

00:09:22.620 the fifth, fifth, uh, police precinct during the Floyd protests. And guess what happened? A judge

00:09:28.420 ordered Minneapolis to hire more police. The, one of the plaintiffs said that the courts have decided

00:09:34.780 that our lives are in danger. The judge heard there are bullets coming through our homes, through our

00:09:38.920 cars, through our children. And it turns out Minneapolis city, city charter requires a certain

00:09:45.200 number of cops per resident. And that equals about 730 officers in the city force. And they had cut back

00:09:52.500 too much. They were projected to have about 669. And so they won. And the Minneapolis city council,

00:09:59.140 which voted to divert 8 million from cops in December of 2020, um, just voted unanimously in

00:10:06.080 February to spend 6.4 million to rehire the police. That wasn't good enough. Now they're going to have

00:10:11.480 spend more because the court intervened thanks to these eight plaintiffs who made a difference. So you,

00:10:16.540 to your point, people are finding ways. Well, the interesting thing is we've always had these far

00:10:24.700 left, uh, illogical people who don't do things based on facts. It's all ideology. The difference is

00:10:34.300 we now have media that supports them and that, uh, rebroadcast everything that they say so that it gets

00:10:43.060 people to thinking that maybe this is the norm and this is the way that people should be thinking.

00:10:48.260 That's, that's a huge problem. And, you know, I am hopeful that at some point, uh, our mainstream media

00:10:56.680 recognizes that there is a reason that the press is the only business protected by our constitution.

00:11:03.140 And that is because they're supposed to disseminate unbiased information to the populace

00:11:08.900 so that the people can make decisions about what their will is because the country is supposed to be

00:11:14.820 run on the will of the people. But if that will is manipulated intentionally by press with their

00:11:22.360 thumb on the scale, it distorts the whole system. Yeah. And they, the press controls the narrative

00:11:29.120 and they have their favorites and certainly no one on the right is in that group, uh, unless you're

00:11:36.060 like a never Trumper, you know, they'll, they'll give the microphone people they think hate Trump

00:11:39.940 or sort of have meandered over on one big cause they love or another. Oh, you can become a celebrity

00:11:45.080 quickly by doing that. That's right. Look at these guys at the Lincoln project. These never Trumpers

00:11:50.280 claim to be Republicans though. They're clearly not, um, that they've been associating with a,

00:11:55.300 and protecting a pedophile whose behavior had been called to their attention repeatedly.

00:12:00.560 And they're still allowed on MSNBC to comment on our daily lives. Like why am I listening to Steve

00:12:06.820 Schmidt talk about anything? I don't want to hear from him. Tom Nichols, big, big opinion in the

00:12:11.220 Atlantic this week. Why do I have to listen to this man? Get back to me when you don't cover up for

00:12:15.780 criminals, then we'll chat. Well, it's, it's pretty incredible. I mean, you look at, you know,

00:12:21.580 the Hunter Biden situation and, you know, if they can control the media and they can control the

00:12:28.680 dissemination of information and they can blank out what they don't want people to see or hear,

00:12:35.920 um, that is an incredibly powerful tool. And that's exactly what's going on. And it's, it's,

00:12:42.180 it is perhaps one of the most dangerous things that's happening to our country. And the question

00:12:47.860 really is, are people going to be smart enough to figure out that they're being manipulated?

00:12:54.680 I personally think that they are smart enough to figure it out. And I'd say that based on the fact

00:13:01.920 that I do a lot of traveling, I run into a lot of people, both Democrats and Republicans and

00:13:09.100 independents. And, uh, what I'm hearing is that people are waking up. Hmm. I certainly hope you're

00:13:17.640 right. I mean, I, the selective outrage machine has come for you many times. I've watched it over

00:13:23.460 the years. Um, and I feel like the one I could cite many examples, but the one that, that you've

00:13:29.580 spoken about before that I really think brings it home is the comments you made in referencing this

00:13:35.040 a few years ago, um, referring to slaves as immigrants. Can you just tell us that story and what

00:13:41.140 happened? Yeah. Well, I was, I was talking about, you know, the United States of America and how all

00:13:50.120 of us have come here, you know, in different ways, uh, many voluntarily, some involuntarily in the bottom

00:13:58.240 of slave ships, they're all still immigrants. They still have a desire to be successful. And, uh,

00:14:06.200 this is a place that allowed all of those people from all of those different places to become

00:14:12.400 successful. Uh, no different than the things that Obama said, but when he says them, they're great.

00:14:20.580 And when I say them, it's horrible. Right. Did you know that when they came for you, because

00:14:27.360 I can't believe I'm about to cite this person on my show. I, my audience knows I have real issues with

00:14:34.220 this, this moron and her ongoing commentary, but Chelsea Clinton came out and says, this can't be

00:14:40.240 real. Your comments, slaves were not, and are not immigrants. And you've got star Jones who called you

00:14:47.540 an uncle Tom called you ignorant. Samuel L Jackson called you a mother, you know what? And, um, went on.

00:14:55.100 Right. So these are, you know, this is the brain trust, uh, responding to your comments. Meanwhile,

00:14:59.840 Obama likened, likened slaves to immigrants on at least 11 different occasions, at least 11 and in

00:15:06.260 far more controversial terms than you did. So did you know that at the time? Uh, no, I just,

00:15:13.040 you know, same thing that I've been saying for, for years that, uh, you know, we all come from

00:15:19.400 different places, but now we have the opportunity to unite under the same flag, under the same belief

00:15:27.260 system and, uh, make our country strong. We do that best when we work together. That was the whole

00:15:34.840 purpose of the comment. And, uh, it has, it has been understood by audiences across the nation for

00:15:42.340 years, but all of a sudden it's a horrible thing. Did you learn a lesson there, which is we cannot

00:15:49.140 unite. That's not happening. You do not have honest brokers listening to you on the other side.

00:15:54.100 Well, I, uh, absolutely refuse, uh, as I said, in the, uh, national prayer breakfast, I'm not

00:16:02.980 politically correct. And, uh, I never will be politically correct. I'm not going to sit around

00:16:08.260 and censor what I have to say based on them. I'm going to say what I have to say. And, uh, you know,

00:16:15.520 for that reason, there are many who, uh, see me as the enemy, but by the same token, there are many

00:16:23.580 who don't. And there are many who are encouraged by that because, you know, the fact of the matter

00:16:28.740 is, as I say all the time, you cannot be the land of the free if you're not the home of the brave.

00:16:35.120 And if you're going to sit in the corner and cower and, uh, restrict what you have to say

00:16:41.540 and what you think, uh, because of others, you, I'm not sure you deserve to be in the land of the free.

00:16:49.080 That's really good. You're right. I mean, courage is what's required right now. It's just so hard

00:16:53.480 when people's jobs are on the line and there's their kids, school education, a relationship with

00:16:58.340 teachers who will pave the way for junior to get into the right college. You know, I understand why

00:17:03.140 the parents of the kids don't want to pick the fight necessarily. And why people who have jobs,

00:17:08.820 they've worked very hard to get and understand, Oh no, I'm looking around. I just happen to find

00:17:13.480 myself working at Nike or Coke. And I understand very well if I say anything, you know, uh, against

00:17:19.860 BLM or one of these groups, there's going to be a push for me to get fired and no one will have my

00:17:24.500 back. I get, I get the fear. And, uh, you know, there, there comes a time when you go along to get

00:17:31.860 along, but there also comes a time when if you continue to go along to get along, you won't exist

00:17:38.240 anymore. And you have to recognize the difference. Hmm. How do you, I mean, how, like, how do you,

00:17:45.740 how do we tell the guy, you know, working for one of those companies or I don't want to pick

00:17:50.340 Facebook or Google. Those are so left, you just, you know, what you're getting into when you go

00:17:53.820 there. But I think a lot of people genuinely didn't understand when they took a job with Coca-Cola

00:17:57.660 that they were signing up or ESPN necessarily, they were signed up to work for, you know, Black Lives

00:18:02.780 Matter alternate. Um, how do you tell them to say what they want to say?

00:18:07.260 I tell them to educate yourself, to read, to learn, to observe. Now, you don't even have

00:18:16.160 to go back that far in history. You look at a place like Venezuela. You know, I had a chance

00:18:21.840 to visit there a number of times, you know, before they turned and it was, they were wonderful

00:18:27.320 visits, uh, you know, beautiful resorts and hotels and museums and shopping areas. And, uh,

00:18:34.760 the biggest controversy that people had was whether or not they were the most beautiful

00:18:38.980 people in the world. That was their issue. And, and, and, and look where they've gone

00:18:44.080 in a very short period of time. And, uh, that has happened in place after place around the

00:18:51.300 world. Uh, there are no good examples of success from a system that is completely dominated by

00:19:00.060 the government. And, uh, uh, I think we would be very smart to learn those lessons, to read

00:19:06.000 about, to read about the cycles of civilization and, uh, how you finally reach a point where

00:19:13.300 you're under the thumb once again, after going through freedom and prosperity. And just before

00:19:20.960 that stage of domination again, is apathy and dependence. Now, isn't that, isn't that what

00:19:28.840 was going on in our country? Apathy. And, uh, you know, it seems like right now the government's

00:19:34.800 doing everything it can possibly do to make people dependent. And it was, uh, Khrushchev who

00:19:40.780 said in the late fifties to Eisenhower, your grandchildren's children will live under communism

00:19:46.840 and we won't have to fire a shot. What was he talking about? He recognized that there

00:19:52.920 were certain things that had to be done like controlling the education system so that you

00:19:58.800 could indoctrinate the kids that's going on and has been going on for many years. They've

00:20:04.340 accelerated it now, uh, control the media so that you could spoon feed the people only what

00:20:10.920 you wanted them to know and control them in that way. Remove God and replace the government

00:20:18.540 dependence and raise the national debt to enormous levels so that you could justify massive taxation,

00:20:28.060 redistribution of wealth and complete control. All of those are the things that are going on

00:20:33.580 right now. The question is, can we stop them? And I think we can.

00:20:37.460 Up next, we're going to get into the Biden administration bringing back welfare. What

00:20:42.700 does Ben Carson think of that given the way he grew up? And, um, and what does he think

00:20:47.140 when it comes to these government programs? Do they work? He's got a really interesting

00:20:50.160 thought on what makes one a victor versus a victim. That's next.

00:20:59.540 Welfare is back. The government, meaning the taxpayers, are, are farming out subsidies

00:21:06.960 child subsidies of up to $300 per kid for 90% of American families. You get 250 per kid. If

00:21:15.340 your kid is between the ages of seven and 17, who's eligible single parents with incomes under

00:21:19.780 $112,000 bucks. That's a pretty big number. Married couples with incomes up to $150,000 a year

00:21:28.900 qualify. Cost of the American people is $105 billion. And this, this breaks with a quarter

00:21:38.060 century of policy, right? Bill Clinton signed the bill to end welfare. And now we're reversing that

00:21:44.680 Marco Rubio came out and said that this is no work is required. And this resurrects the welfare system

00:21:51.940 that failed first time around. You know, it's quote free money, he says for criminals and addicts,

00:21:56.600 but it is definitely an anti-work welfare check. Um, which is something that we eschewed because

00:22:02.960 it had failed to help the very families it was most directed at. Well, it's not free money. So for one

00:22:10.000 thing, and for another thing, I can guarantee you, they have plenty of social scientists, political

00:22:15.520 scientists and statisticians sitting around saying, what number do we have to put it at? So that we get

00:22:21.740 the most people to think that they benefit from it so that they will be on our side. Uh, you know,

00:22:28.380 they, they care nothing about, you know, what really happens to those individuals. What they care about

00:22:35.220 is putting out a carrot that is so tempting to millions of people that they will forego any thought

00:22:43.480 about what happens for the good of the nation and just think about what's good for them.

00:22:48.460 Uh, in the short run, uh, in the short run, not even thinking about what's good for their children

00:22:53.240 and their grandchildren and the long run, because they're the ones who are going to have to pay the

00:22:58.340 burden. Why would the politicians do that? Uh, short-term power. It's totally about power, uh, particularly for

00:23:08.740 the far left. And it leaves a lot of very good Democrats in a real quandary because I think they

00:23:17.400 don't really want any part of that. And yet, you know, the, the Republican party, the alternative has

00:23:25.100 been demonized to the point where they said, well, we certainly can't be with those people.

00:23:29.200 Uh, so I guess by default, we have to stay here. Uh, it's a, it's a, it's a very bad place for a lot

00:23:37.560 of people to be, but at some point, someone is going to have to be the adult, uh, in the room

00:23:44.460 and stop doing things that are just politically motivated and start doing.

00:23:50.400 You don't think it's, you don't think it's bleeding heart, right? You think it's politically

00:23:54.260 motivated power. It gets votes. That's for sure. But you don't think it's bleeding heart. Cause what

00:23:59.620 we see, like the New York times, it's article said, Hey, look at Columbia university center on

00:24:04.540 poverty and social policy. They say it's going to cut child poverty by 45%. That's a reduction four

00:24:10.340 times greater than ever achieved in a single year. We're going to help poor kids. That's what they,

00:24:15.340 that's, that's why they say this is necessary.

00:24:17.580 Yeah. If you really want to help poor kids, give them the right kind of education. Why is it that

00:24:25.260 in cities like Baltimore, you have so few people who graduate who actually have proficiency in math

00:24:33.560 or even in the English language when expressing themselves? Uh, why don't they spend the necessary

00:24:40.540 resources in order to alleviate that situation? You can take anyone from the

00:24:47.560 worst economic situations. There are, and you can give them a good education and they will

00:24:54.420 achieve, they will do well. And just look at the Nigerians in this country. That demographic

00:25:03.120 is either number one or very close to number one in terms of per capita income.

00:25:09.080 Now, why is that? Well, if you know any Nigerians, you know that for them, the baseline is a bachelor's

00:25:16.360 degree. They really concentrate on education. And that also gives lie to whether this is a systemically

00:25:25.300 racist country, because how could one of the groups with the highest income be black in a systemically

00:25:32.900 racist country doesn't make any sense? Now you'll, you'll hear a rebuttal to that from some to the

00:25:39.680 effect of it's different. You can't compare black immigrants to black Americans who are, who are born

00:25:46.220 with the weight of American history on race baked into their family experience and their, the way they

00:25:54.140 perceive the world and the way the world perceives them, right? Like they are the descendants or some are

00:25:59.060 the descendants of slaves. That legacy is, you know, around their necks, like an albatross in a way it's

00:26:04.960 not for the Nigerian immigrant. Well, you know, the, the whole purpose of, of some of their teachings,

00:26:11.000 like the 1619 project is to make whites feel guilty and to make blacks feel like victims. Uh,

00:26:20.140 you're a victim, uh, no matter what, and no matter what you do. And of course, you know, my mother

00:26:27.720 totally rejected that. My mother's probably the wisest person that I've ever met. And she had

00:26:34.580 less than a third grade education, but she refused to be a victim and she wouldn't let us be a victim.

00:26:40.700 And she would say, yeah, there may be some racist people. There may be some obstacles,

00:26:45.140 but you don't have to let that stop you. Only if you want to let it stop you, it'll stop you.

00:26:51.080 Um, and, uh, you find ways to get over those hurdles or under them or around them or through

00:26:56.820 them. And each hurdle strengthens you for the next one. Um, if you take somebody who has a victor's

00:27:03.480 attitude and you take everything from them and you put them on the street, they'll find a way back up

00:27:09.100 to the top. You take somebody who has a victim's mentality and you put them on the top and they'll

00:27:14.520 find their way to the bottom. You know, it's the attitude. And, you know, I just find it so

00:27:21.980 discouraging to see people putting everything on race, on external characteristics that people

00:27:32.240 cannot change. You know, the Bible says in, uh, first Samuel 16, seven for man looketh on the outward

00:27:40.600 appearance, but the Lord looketh on the heart. And what is that saying? It's saying exactly the same

00:27:47.500 thing that Dr. King dreamed about that people would be judged on the content of their character

00:27:55.080 and not the color of their skin. Hmm. Can we talk about your mom? Because people may not know that

00:28:02.200 mentioned it the other day, but you launched your, your presidential campaign really on the Kelly

00:28:09.600 file. Like we did that long bio on you. We had an exclusive with you then it was great. It was a

00:28:15.060 huge night. We loved it. And our audience loved it. The ratings completely spiked every day. They

00:28:21.040 were hugely in your corner and your backstory is it's amazing on many levels, just objectively,

00:28:28.380 but also because it really puts the lie to some of the things that the left says about America and the

00:28:33.780 impossibility of succeeding. And they would absolutely love to take away from you the struggles that you

00:28:38.960 had, but they can't, they can't. Um, so you grew up in the inner city, Detroit and, and, uh, went to

00:28:47.200 Boston for a bit, but let's talk about your background. Go ahead and say what you're going to say.

00:28:50.960 Well, it's, it's interesting that, uh, before the left realized that I was conservative,

00:28:58.420 they loved the story. It was great. And they told it.

00:29:02.840 Yeah. Uh, but when saying exactly the same things, it became clear that I was conservative.

00:29:12.700 Oh, he's horrible. He's an uncle Tom. How could he say such horrible things? It was incredible.

00:29:19.920 Um, but the hypocrisy on that side is amazing, but you know, my wife and I, you know, we thank God all

00:29:27.900 the time that we were born in this country and I've visited 68 countries. We lived overseas and what an

00:29:36.260 amazing place this is. Doesn't mean that everybody's born under good circumstances. We're not. And, uh,

00:29:43.100 after my parents were divorced, uh, you know, things were pretty rough for us because my mother had

00:29:49.800 very little in the way of education and skills. Uh, we didn't even have a place to live. And some

00:29:55.280 relatives in Boston took us there. And it wasn't a pleasant place by any stretch of the imagination,

00:30:01.660 uh, large multifamily dwellings were boarded up windows and doors and sirens and gangs,

00:30:09.200 murders. Both of my older cousins were killed. I saw that kind of stuff as a youngster, uh, growing up.

00:30:17.540 And, uh, I remember as a nine-year-old sitting on the, on the ghetto stairs, looking through the

00:30:24.940 building across the street through which a light beam was shining because all the windows were

00:30:29.820 broken out. It was an abandoned building. And that light beam made me think about my future.

00:30:37.380 And I remember thinking that I would probably not live to be more than 20, 25 at the most,

00:30:43.480 because that's what I saw around me. And you always had people talking about the system and how it was

00:30:52.440 against you. And, and in those days it probably really was, but, uh, you know, my, my mother never

00:30:59.740 joined into those conversations. She was always talking about what you could do. And, uh, she wanted

00:31:06.320 to get back on her own feet. And after a couple of years, we were able to go back to Detroit, still in a

00:31:12.080 multi-family dwelling, uh, still with, uh, significant poverty. But, uh, the interesting thing is I was, uh,

00:31:23.240 we lived right at the railroad tracks and railroad tracks divided blacks from the whites. Uh, but we live

00:31:32.440 on the white side of the railroad tracks. So I went to a white, uh, elementary school and, uh, it was very

00:31:40.900 interesting because I was a terrible student. I mean, I was the worst student of everything,

00:31:46.560 but it was sort of like the teachers expected that. And, uh, I remember when I finally got glasses,

00:31:56.160 they were doing, you know, visual checks on everybody. I didn't know that anybody could see,

00:32:00.760 but, uh, once I got glasses, I could actually see the board. It's like a revelation.

00:32:05.760 And, uh, you know, and I went from an F student to a D student and I was, I was thrilled. My mother

00:32:13.280 was terrified. I was, uh, but, uh, but then she made us start reading books and that just really

00:32:22.520 changed our lives. I didn't like reading books. I just didn't like reading books. I wanted to watch

00:32:27.940 TV. But I love this part of the story. I love this, but before we get to it, I just want to set one

00:32:33.600 thing up about your mom. Cause what an extraordinary figure. Um, so your mom married your dad when she

00:32:38.940 was just 13 and he was 28. So, you know, that's not going to wind up particularly well, right? It's

00:32:44.640 not going to work out very well. You just know it. But what she couldn't have predicted was that she

00:32:48.940 was going to find out when you were a little boy that he was a bigamist. He had a whole other family

00:32:53.760 that she didn't know about. Where were they? Were they in the same town? Uh, they were in Detroit.

00:33:00.260 Right. So they were. So how did you, how did you, how were they discovered? How were they not

00:33:05.040 discovered? I guess for, for all that, all those years? Well, uh, you know, occasionally when I was

00:33:10.940 a kid, I remember, you know, we would drive over to another side of the town and he would visit

00:33:17.080 people. I didn't know at that point that that was his other family. Um, Oh, so you met your half

00:33:24.080 siblings, not knowing that you were related to them. Correct. Correct. Um, but you know,

00:33:31.340 stranger things have been known to happen, but obviously, you know, when my mother discovered

00:33:36.180 that that was just devastating to her, if you can imagine. And, uh, you know, she had some severe

00:33:42.860 bouts of, of depression, even trying to commit suicide. You know, it's hard to even think about

00:33:49.620 what she had to go through, but, you know, she can understand how she might be bitter. Uh,

00:33:55.640 yeah. Particularly because he wouldn't pay child support and, uh, you know, she's trying

00:34:00.680 with everything she's got to, to keep us afloat. But, uh, at any rate, when we moved back to Detroit,

00:34:08.260 uh, the thing that really she remembered was that all these homes that she cleaned as a domestic,

00:34:16.680 beautiful homes and gross point and, and places where people had a lot of money,

00:34:22.880 that they did a lot of reading. And she said, you know, I think that has something to do with

00:34:29.700 their success. And she made us start reading books and we hated it in the beginning, but it didn't take

00:34:36.780 long before we began to really love reading books, because what do you have to do when you're

00:34:40.780 reading? You have to take those letters and you have to make them into words. So you learn how to

00:34:47.080 spell. You can always tell somebody who reads because they know how to spell. And then you have

00:34:51.800 to take those words and make them into sentences. So they learn grammar and syntax. You have to take

00:34:58.120 those sentences and you have to make them into ideas. So you learn how to use your imagination.

00:35:06.820 People who read a lot tend to be a lot more creative and imaginative than people who just sit

00:35:11.940 around and look at what somebody else has done. And, uh, that made an enormous difference. I went from a,

00:35:18.840 a failing student to the top of the class over the course of a year and a half.

00:35:24.960 And, um, you know, to, to tell you how much things have changed. Now, I remember when I was in the

00:35:32.840 eighth grade at Wilson junior high school, uh, still one of the very few black students there.

00:35:41.140 Um, they would give an award for the highest academic achievement. And I was taking my report

00:35:47.720 card around to all the teachers. I got a on everything. I was, I was going to be it. I got to the last class

00:35:54.280 and it was band and I was really good in band. So I knew that was going to be an A, but the guy gave

00:36:00.900 me a C. He wanted to ruin my report card, make sure I didn't become the, the awardee. But, uh, it turns

00:36:09.240 out that band didn't count. So I got the award. But at the student assembly, all the parents and

00:36:19.200 everybody there, when I was getting the award, one of the teachers got up and chewed out all the white

00:36:25.940 kids and said, you should be ashamed of yourself. How could you let this boy be better than you are

00:36:35.080 academically? You're not trying hard enough, but you know, back in those days, people actually

00:36:41.200 believed stuff like that. Yeah. And they, they, how infuriating that must have been.

00:36:48.580 Well, you know, it just made me determined. I said, I'll show her. Uh, my mother was very

00:36:55.860 disgruntled as you might imagine, but, uh, the other kids, they were all looking at me and they're

00:37:03.300 rolling her eyes and making the crazy sign and pointing to that teacher because, you know, these,

00:37:08.780 these kids all knew me. They knew me from the fifth grade when I was the dumbest. They saw the rise.

00:37:15.660 They respected what I had done. They, they knew it was legit. And, uh, and can you, can you tell us,

00:37:22.440 cause I love that she made you read two books a week, you and your brother, and she made you write

00:37:27.460 book reports, but what you didn't know back then about your mom would, it's just one of the sweetest

00:37:33.640 part of the stories. Can you tell us? Yeah. Yeah. Well, we didn't know that she couldn't read the

00:37:38.020 real words. And, uh, but, but she would take her markers and she would put little check marks and

00:37:44.780 other lines and make that we make us think that she was reading them, but she really wasn't. Uh,

00:37:50.780 but interestingly enough, you know, my mother did go back to school and she got her GED, uh,

00:37:58.620 the same year that I graduated from high school. And then, uh, she subsequently, uh, went on to college.

00:38:05.880 And in 1994, she got an honorary doctorate degree. So she was Dr. Carson too.

00:38:12.900 That's awesome. And people didn't know whether, you know, what, what's she doing with you? Is she

00:38:17.720 sending you to the right school? Is she doing the right thing with you and your brother?

00:38:20.820 And why, I mean, we haven't gotten into your background or your brother, but can you tell us

00:38:25.320 how that worked out? Uh, well, he, he did very well. Uh, he, you know, we had the lottery at that

00:38:32.280 time for military service. I got a very high number. I was like 333. So I would say, but he

00:38:38.740 got a real low number, like 14. So he said, well, I'm obviously going to get, going to have

00:38:45.160 to go. So I'll choose the area I want to go into. So he chose the Navy and he was on the

00:38:52.120 track to become a nuclear atomic submarine operator. But he subsequently changed his mind,

00:38:58.800 decided he wanted to be an engineer. And, uh, when he came out, went to the university

00:39:04.100 in Michigan, uh, got his engineering degree, uh, did some subsequent degree work and became

00:39:12.160 a mechanical and aeronautical engineer. Uh, and, uh, so he became the rocket scientist and

00:39:19.320 I became the brain surgeon. And, uh, you know, my, my mother's friends were always criticizing

00:39:26.740 her and telling her that her boys would grow up and hate her because she made them, you know,

00:39:32.800 read and study. But I think she got the last laugh. It's so great. I know. And back when

00:39:40.420 everybody loved you on the, on the left and the people who make movies, your historic career as a

00:39:44.800 pediatric neurosurgeon at Johns Hopkins of all places, you were the youngest. I was actually just

00:39:48.580 looking at this. I didn't realize this piece of it. You were the youngest, um, ever chief of

00:39:55.380 pediatric surgery in the United States, States, age 33. Uh, you were a professor at the Johns Hopkins

00:40:02.240 School of Medicine in neurosurgery, in oncology, in plastic surgery, and pediatrics. And in 1987,

00:40:08.760 you participated in the first reported separation of conjoined twins, joined at the back of the head,

00:40:13.920 took 22 hours, 70 member surgical team, and on it goes. And that is what led to gifted hands,

00:40:20.640 right? The Ben Carson story, which so Cuba, Cuba Gooding played you in the movie years later in

00:40:27.940 2009, I guess it was, but that was before you came out as conservative and completely ruined

00:40:33.800 your relationship with the people who make movies. Dr. Carson clearly did not wind up being important

00:40:40.140 to you. So one of the things I wondered about you, Oh wait, no, before we get to that, I cannot leave

00:40:45.460 your background without talking about the poem. We talked about the Kelly file many times. I've already

00:40:49.420 read it on the show. Just FYI, that's how much your mom's favorite poem impacted me. But this,

00:40:55.180 this is the difference. It's this attitude that you're talking about. It's by Mimi White Miller.

00:41:01.520 And you're the one who introduced this to me. And now it's introduced to my kids too. We've got it

00:41:06.900 hanging on our wall at our home. Oh, thanks to you. Thanks to you. I love everything about it. So I've

00:41:13.320 got it in front of me. I'll read it. If things go bad for you and make you a bit ashamed,

00:41:18.260 often you will find out you have yourself to blame. Swiftly, we ran to mischief. And then

00:41:24.640 the bad luck came. Why do we fault others? We have ourselves to blame. Whatever happens to us,

00:41:31.020 here are the words we say. Had it not been for so-and-so, things wouldn't have gone that way.

00:41:36.060 And if you are short of friends, I'll tell you what to do. Make an examination. You'll find the

00:41:42.280 faults in you. You're the captain of your ship. So agree with the same. If you travel downward,

00:41:50.080 you have yourself to blame. I'd love it. Absolutely. It's so wonderful. And,

00:41:56.240 you know, we were so tired of hearing that poem because it would come out of my mouth,

00:42:00.260 my mother's mouth. Every time we made an excuse, we just stopped making excuses.

00:42:04.480 I just love it. You're the captain of your ship. It's just empowering, right? It's another way of

00:42:11.820 saying, you know, you have yourself to blame is you are empowered to make your life amazing. No

00:42:16.780 matter what you were born into, no matter what the systems are, no matter how imperfect the union,

00:42:23.420 you're the captain of your ship. And it's so different than what we're telling so many

00:42:29.120 young people today. Somebody else is in control of your life. Somebody else is creating your

00:42:36.880 problems. Somebody else can give you success. And the fact of the matter is, the person who has the

00:42:45.400 most to do with what happens to you is you and the attitude that you have. And, you know, the can-do

00:42:52.120 attitude is one of the things that made America great. The what can you do for me attitude

00:42:58.360 is the thing that made a lot of nations fall. And we're in the process of switching one for the

00:43:07.580 other. And we have to resist that with everything we have. There is truth to American exceptionalism.

00:43:17.220 And, you know, it saved the world during World War II. Think about it.

00:43:23.260 But, you know, it's such a different message. You were so lucky to be born to that mom.

00:43:29.260 Because I've been following this guy, Elie Mistel. He's the justice correspondent for The Nation,

00:43:34.500 which is, you know, far left magazine. But this is a guy, Victor Davis Hanson was on the show not

00:43:38.840 long ago, pointing out that this guy has written, he envisions his life someday, he hopes, as, quote,

00:43:44.460 whiteness free. So Elie Mistel, this is what he wrote. This is just this week. It was in

00:43:50.380 RealClearPolitics.com a couple of days ago, highlighted there. They link editorials,

00:43:54.200 as you know, from the left and the right. And the premise of his piece is blacks are losing

00:43:59.040 the fight against white rage. And just listen to the way he sees America. OK, and the difference

00:44:05.460 that his kid in messaging that his kids getting versus to what your mom gave you. He writes,

00:44:10.280 my black generation is doing everything we can think of to stop this onslaught of white rage.

00:44:17.080 He's upset about the voting laws being passed in places like Texas. But we are losing,

00:44:21.780 primarily because of the mass of white Americans has become inured to shame. White people still

00:44:28.900 have a stranglehold on national political power in this country. Despite all the protest and

00:44:33.460 activism my generation can muster, there is no bevy of new civil rights legislation. And he goes on

00:44:38.520 to say this. My eight year old told me he wants to be a scientist. I told him that Albert Einstein's

00:44:45.420 greatest insight was recognizing when to get out of Nazi Germany before the fascists could kill him

00:44:52.360 and that he might have to flee America one day, too. Half of the time, I feel like my parenting

00:44:58.300 inspiration is Sarah Connor in Terminator 2. I'm training my kids to survive post-democracy

00:45:05.540 and post-climate disaster America.

00:45:09.600 Oh, my God.

00:45:11.880 I mean, these people, I don't know where they come up with all this stuff. But, you know,

00:45:18.880 they want to concentrate on anything that's negative and bad and that's scary rather than

00:45:26.540 all the positive things. You know, you go back to how they want to revolve everything in this nation

00:45:34.740 around slavery and say that, you know, we're the most evil empire ever because of slavery.

00:45:42.760 But why not tell the truth? The truth is that slavery has been a part of human society since

00:45:49.540 there have been human societies. That there are actually more slaves in the world today than there

00:45:56.740 were in 1863 when the Emancipation Proclamation was put forth and that we are the nation that

00:46:04.800 actually fought a civil war at great personal cost to get rid of slavery. So you can look at it that

00:46:13.300 way or you can say we had slavery and we're the worst people that ever existed. And, you know,

00:46:18.800 they just go on and on with this absolute absurdity. And it's very necessary that those of us who know

00:46:29.240 better don't remain silent. We have to talk about it. We have to make sure that people know what the

00:46:35.840 real facts are. And then let's debate it. You know, very seldom have I been able to engage in a debate

00:46:43.540 with someone from the far left before they quickly degenerate into calling you names because they

00:46:50.080 don't have very good arguments. Well, you've pointed out that we're so focused in this country

00:46:57.060 right now on whether we should give reparations to black Americans who may or may not have any

00:47:02.440 connection to slaves paid for by all Americans who may or may not have any connection to people who

00:47:08.440 supported slavery that we're we pay zero attention to the countries where slavery is ongoing. I mean,

00:47:14.360 if everybody here cares so much about slavery, why don't we do something about it in present day

00:47:17.820 America? This is a point you were making recently. Absolutely. I mean, we have so many young people

00:47:24.560 now who are being trapped into sex slavery, who are coming across our southern border. I mean,

00:47:30.400 they're sitting ducks and they're just picking them off. And the lives that they put them through,

00:47:36.700 it is just horrible. There's a movie that's coming out in January called The Sound of Freedom.

00:47:44.280 Jim Caviezel is the starring role. It's, it's outstanding. And I hope it gets very wide play

00:47:53.420 so that people really understand what's going on in many cases right under our noses. And it couldn't

00:47:59.720 happen all this sexual slavery, if there weren't an appetite for it. And the place where it

00:48:06.680 seems to be having the biggest effect is right here in the United States. Why do we have so many

00:48:12.800 people with an appetite for abusing sexually innocent little children? What is happening to us? What's,

00:48:22.980 what's happening to our faith? You know, and, and that Judeo Christian value system that taught us

00:48:30.260 love and respect for those around us. And as we are throwing away our faith and we're becoming

00:48:39.240 very coarse and cruel individuals. Our new faith is in the Kardashians and ourselves,

00:48:46.880 right? That's really what it is, the selfie generation and that, you know, just more posts

00:48:52.820 about yourself. And no matter how good you have it, you could, you could become a princess

00:48:56.260 in a castle, literally, and still feel that you are a victim. Exactly. Very sad, but true.

00:49:06.280 So Dr. Carson came under attack by Charlemagne recently, and it was because of his comments on,

00:49:13.100 it was actually at CPAC on welfare and sort of how it hasn't been particularly helpful to the black

00:49:18.420 family and how it was faith and strong family that got black Americans through a lot of their past

00:49:24.840 problems from Jim Crow and segregation to even slavery. Well, that set off some criticism and

00:49:32.580 we'll get into that in one second. But before we get to that, we want to bring you a feature that we

00:49:36.960 have here on the MK show called thanks, but no thanks. Today we are saying thanks, but no thanks to

00:49:42.500 our old friend, Dr. Anthony Fauci. What is the COVID doctor up to these days? Well, earlier this week,

00:49:48.060 he was on MSNBC, where he was asked about the Delta variant. Delta. If I had music, I would add in

00:49:55.960 dun, dun, dun, right? Because now they just try to scare us to death with every new variant as though

00:50:01.120 it's the end times when each one pops up. So he was asked about the Delta variant, dun, dun, dun,

00:50:07.800 and children. Listen. You know that children under the age of 12 who are not eligible for the vaccines

00:50:13.820 generally do not get sick, don't get COVID or don't get as ill with it. But what does this spread

00:50:20.400 of the Delta variant mean for them, for the children under the age of 12? And what's the timeline for

00:50:26.180 when they might become eligible? Well, a couple of questions and the answers are the children who are

00:50:34.660 not able to get vaccinated because of their age should follow, their parents should follow with them

00:50:40.720 the guidelines of the CDC that unvaccinated children of a certain age greater than two years

00:50:47.420 old should be wearing masks. No doubt about that. That's the way to protect them from getting infected

00:50:52.960 because if they do, they can then spread the infection to someone else. Children older than two

00:51:01.220 should be wearing masks until you can force upon them a vaccine that doesn't have long-term FDA approval.

00:51:09.180 This is obscene. Fauci says there's no doubt about it. That's what you need to be doing if you want

00:51:16.160 to be a good parent to keep your child safe. Well, thankfully, there is some sanity out there in the

00:51:20.260 world like Martin Koldorf. Do you remember him? He was one of the great Barrington Declaration doctors

00:51:25.340 who came on this very show a few months ago to warn about the dangers of lockdowns and other measures

00:51:30.000 that he and his co-authors have been exactly right about. Well, he fact-checked Fauci on Twitter this week

00:51:36.960 writing, there is, quote, no scientific evidence that masking children is effective. May I repeat,

00:51:44.100 there is, quote, no scientific evidence that masking children is effective. Quote, that children have low

00:51:53.020 disease risk, minuscule mortality risk. And he went on to say they do not transmit much and that when

00:52:01.060 adults are vaccinated, there is no, no reason to put masks on children. Okay. With the fall fast

00:52:08.220 approaching now, there's going to be another showdown with the teachers unions and with COVID

00:52:12.000 extremists like Fauci over all of this in our schools. You know, your head of school, your

00:52:16.380 principal, they're coming for your kid. They're going to have to mask him up to do everything,

00:52:21.080 or they're going to force you to stick a needle in his arm if he's age eligible, which they may be by

00:52:25.640 the fall because they're testing these vaccines on babies, babies through 12-year-olds right now.

00:52:30.560 They're really trying to make it for September. Thanks, but no thanks to that too. And for now,

00:52:35.460 Fauci, who's saying we have to mask our three-year-olds, he can take our thanks, but no thanks.

00:52:39.640 And now back to a real doctor, Dr. Ben Carson, after this.

00:52:43.900 You went to CPAC in July and you made a comment that you referenced slavery and you referenced

00:52:54.460 the problem with welfare. You know, we've had many guests on this show talking about how the

00:52:58.480 welfare, the big welfare programs of the great society really hurt black families. It really

00:53:03.980 set black families on a path that was doing, it was on the right trajectory to where we are now with

00:53:11.100 fatherless homes and lack of home ownership and dependence on big government that will not take

00:53:17.080 care of them. Anyway, so you make comments to that effect and you know Charlemagne, have you heard of

00:53:22.640 Charlemagne the God? That's how he calls it. So he came for you and he's a big figure within the black

00:53:29.840 community and very popular, his show is, and he had a few choice words for you. So I would love to get

00:53:36.300 your thoughts on what, on his reaction to your comments, if you don't mind, I'll cut about a minute soundbite.

00:53:41.100 Here he is.

00:53:42.040 I just hear things like this and say to myself, why do people always try to find a bright side

00:53:46.960 to slavery? What's the point? Okay, family, you say, Dr. Ben Carson? Family? Dr. Ben Carson,

00:53:53.900 do you know that slave labor for a slave owner took precedence over an enslaved person's personal

00:54:00.840 needs, including family? Enslaved people worked all day early in the morning until late at night.

00:54:06.960 A father most times lives several miles away on a whole other plantation than his family and probably

00:54:12.820 only got to see his family a couple times a week. And that is only if he was close enough to see his

00:54:17.260 family. Yes. This is why I don't care if it's critical race theory, the 1619 project, whatever.

00:54:23.960 The history of black people in this country has to be taught and it has to be taught honestly,

00:54:27.900 because you have guys like Dr. Ben Carson out here attempting to revise history and I don't understand

00:54:32.120 why. Tell the truth, shame the white devil. Stop trying to make America something it's not. We can't

00:54:37.240 hear what we don't reveal. We keep trying to come up with solutions for America's sins, but we won't

00:54:42.600 ever get there if we don't acknowledge the problems. Please let Remy Ma give Dr. Ben Carson the biggest

00:54:49.600 hee-haw. Hee-haw, hee-haw, you stupid mother-f***er, you dumb.

00:54:56.060 That's not nice. That's what they do. It's like apparently an ongoing gig, Donkey of the Day Award.

00:55:02.580 The sad part is that they completely missed what I was saying. What I was saying was that the black

00:55:09.180 families were able to survive all of this horrible thing because they had strong family units,

00:55:16.040 because they had faith in God. And that was during slavery. That was during the Jim Crow era. That was

00:55:24.700 during segregation and discrimination. But what's happened now is we've put policies in place that have

00:55:34.340 broken up the family and that have moved fathers out of the picture. And as a result of that, along with

00:55:44.680 moving away from our faith base, we've become much more vulnerable. They completely miss what I was saying

00:55:52.520 because they're so anxious.

00:55:54.260 He went on in the long version. He was like, don't you know that enslaved mothers and fathers were in constant

00:56:01.800 fear their children might be sold away and that, you know, people went to slave auctions, said that you'd see

00:56:07.620 babies, you know, ripped from their screaming mothers and sold off. And don't talk to me about the value of family

00:56:13.860 during slavery. That's what he was saying.

00:56:16.320 Yeah, well, again, completely missing it. Intentionally wanting to miss it, I think, because,

00:56:23.040 you know, if they actually listen to what I'm saying. And also look at the statistics of what happens

00:56:31.780 when you don't have a father in the home, when you have broken families, when you don't have the kind

00:56:37.180 of relationships that give you an anchor. And, you know, look at the Brookings Institute study on

00:56:43.780 poverty, which said there are a few things that you can do that will reduce your likelihood of living

00:56:49.480 in poverty to two to three percent or less. Number one, finish high school, the importance of education,

00:56:57.460 which we've talked about already. Number two, get married. Again, establishing that family.

00:57:05.160 Number three, wait until you're married to have children. Do that planning. Have that financial

00:57:13.560 background and get a job. Just do those things. Less than a two to three percent chance of living in

00:57:24.020 poverty in this country.

00:57:26.580 What do you think on the Biden policy of 300 bucks per kid, at least zero through six,

00:57:33.080 250 for seven through 17? You know, do you think there's a risk that that's going to lead to people

00:57:39.440 actually being more careless about birth control, about maybe even having children? Because if you

00:57:46.560 have, you know, if you've got three kids, that's 800. Well, wait, I'm going to do my math. That's

00:57:53.020 $900 a month from the government. That's pretty good. If you've got five kids and on it goes,

00:58:00.300 like you can actually run those numbers up per child in a way that's creates potentially a

00:58:06.980 disincentive even to work in a in a country in which we already have that thanks to those extended

00:58:12.240 unemployment benefits that are already keeping people home. I mean, I don't I can't imagine you'd

00:58:16.960 have a child just to get the money. But I've read the studies that said that did happen when we were doing

00:58:21.580 this before. Well, what we saw during the previous administration, removing a lot of the regulatory

00:58:29.280 barriers, appropriate tax incentives, so that people were incentivized to create jobs to create

00:58:37.220 new businesses. We saw the lowest unemployment numbers for blacks in history, for Hispanics as well,

00:58:46.460 for Asian Americans, record loads for women. The point being, if you have a rising tide,

00:58:57.600 it floats all boats. You have to have the right kinds of policies. And just giving money to people

00:59:04.980 is not the right kind of policy, particularly if it's money that you don't have, because all that does

00:59:11.300 is raise the federal debt even higher, which creates a more significant problem in the future.

00:59:19.580 You know, these are not hard economic issues. You don't have to be super smart to figure this out.

00:59:27.200 And you don't have to be super smart to look back historically and see what the effects of just

00:59:33.600 giving away money has been. You know, since Johnson's Great Society program, look what's happened.

00:59:41.300 And, you know, I used to think LBJ was a pretty terrific person before I really looked into the

00:59:50.940 background. And now, particularly when he said, if you give these folks referring to black people,

01:00:00.640 you know, certain things, you'll have their vote for the next 200 years. Just total direct

01:00:08.300 manipulation. And it's still going on.

01:00:11.240 I appreciate the honesty, you know. I appreciate them lifting the dress up and just being honest

01:00:15.880 about what the goal is, because you're right. It gives you a totally different look on him.

01:00:20.660 You know, I have to ask you, though, talking about the debt, Republicans, conservatives,

01:00:26.180 during my entire time on Fox News were railing about it and didn't want big government spending.

01:00:31.240 And then they kind of lost their voice when Trump took over. And he ranks as the third biggest

01:00:38.900 increaser relative to the size of the economy of any U.S. presidential administration when it comes

01:00:44.700 to the debt that we had. He rose it by almost $7.8 trillion. It was almost a 40% jump from when he

01:00:52.660 came in, where it was about $20 trillion to when he left, which is almost $28 trillion.

01:00:57.180 So what about Trump's spending?

01:01:00.780 Well, it was necessary in order to beef up the military. But I always felt that, yes,

01:01:09.700 we needed to beef up the military, but you had to take it from somewhere else,

01:01:14.180 not just keep increasing the number. And, you know, there is plenty of waste in government.

01:01:21.180 It's, you know, as a cabinet secretary, I was able to see it not only in my agency, but in multiple

01:01:29.480 agencies and various entities across government. And if we really want to be smart, we'll get serious

01:01:40.060 about cutting down on those wastes because that costs the taxpayers. And it's just simply not

01:01:48.740 necessary. And you probably remember when I was running for president, you know, I had some things that

01:01:56.400 people thought were pretty radical. But, you know, it always meant that there was give and take and you

01:02:05.900 never increase what you were spending. You always shifted something around. You decided what was

01:02:13.660 important. And, you know, I said, I like the whole idea of tithing. You know, God said, give me a 10.

01:02:24.460 And, you know, that makes you live within your means. But if I can spend whatever I want,

01:02:32.700 with the knowledge that you'll have to pay for it, it changes the way that I do things. And somebody,

01:02:40.720 unfortunately, has a paid attempt. It's so funny because I feel like I'm not very good at budgeting.

01:02:47.040 I never have been. It didn't matter how much money I made, whether I was poor or had money.

01:02:50.920 I was just kind of, I've always been somebody who just kind of spends what I have. Now I don't, but

01:02:55.640 I haven't been very careful on budgeting. And we're buying a new house and we're moving. And the

01:03:02.300 designer, you know, the decorator, whenever he goes over the money that it's going to take to buy this

01:03:07.420 couch or the other thing, he looks at my husband and he stopped and he looked at me and he said,

01:03:11.220 I'm not looking at Doug, just FYI, because he's the man and you're the woman. I'm looking at him

01:03:15.740 because he seems to care about the budget. We all laughed because they're exactly right. My approach

01:03:21.100 to the, to the budget on the house decorating has been YOLO, right? Which stands for you only live once.

01:03:28.200 So I've been removed from the process and I'm sorry to say, I think our, this administration

01:03:34.840 and the last one had a YOLO approach to our country's budget. Well, you know, this, this

01:03:41.040 administration, I think feels it has license because the last administration spent so much

01:03:47.940 that they don't have to have any restraints whatsoever. Yes. And the Republicans can't say

01:03:53.900 anything because they were afraid to criticize Trump. Right. And, uh, you know, Trump is not

01:04:00.420 infallible by any stretch of the imagination. I think he was a terrific, uh, president had some

01:04:07.320 very, very good ideals about how to do things. Uh, personality wise, I think he and I probably

01:04:14.500 polar opposites, uh, but, but, you know, forget about the personnel. There's so many people who get

01:04:23.800 hung up on the personality, but what we really need are the results.

01:04:30.640 That's what Glenn Lowry was on my show. And he's making great points about Trump saying Trump is

01:04:34.120 just an avatar, you know, like you can't, you don't need to get that hung up on the form in which he

01:04:40.700 comes. You can, you can look at the results. You can look at the policies and try your level best to

01:04:45.820 avoid the tweets and so on. I do think, you know, that that became impossible after the actual

01:04:51.900 election, when he continued to say he won, even after all of his election challenges had been

01:04:57.380 denied and, you know, his legal process had run out. And, you know, that's why people got so upset

01:05:02.660 about that. Well, that's one of the reasons about the January 6th riot is like he, he didn't foment

01:05:07.820 it exactly with his words right beforehand, but he'd been fomenting it since the vote in early November.

01:05:14.840 And, you know, that's when he's more than an avatar. That's when he is in it. He is a problem with which

01:05:20.640 you must deal. And you can see the deleterious effects on our society.

01:05:26.840 There's no question that things have deteriorated significantly. Our danger is not as much from China

01:05:34.480 and Russia and Iran and North Korea as it is from ourselves. And the destruction that will come

01:05:42.960 because a house divided against itself cannot stand. And there's plenty of blame to go around

01:05:49.740 on both sides. Yes, 100%. You know, you, you know, we need to learn, for instance, that there were so

01:05:58.580 many irregularities in the 2020 election. We have to fix that. We have to give people confidence

01:06:06.140 confidence in our electoral process. And if we don't, that's going to go a long way toward

01:06:12.920 destroying us. You'll get no pushback from me on that. But, you know, I'm, I'm somebody I didn't

01:06:19.320 work for Trump. I'm a journalist and a pundit. So I can, I can, I think I can see it clearly. I do

01:06:24.280 think he was really irresponsible in his rhetoric. You know, Mike Pence did not have the ability to

01:06:28.520 overturn that election. That was not true. He misled a lot of his earnest followers on it and

01:06:34.340 they got confused. And I do think his messaging is partly to blame for what happened at the Capitol

01:06:41.220 that day. I mean, I didn't, I never really saw what you said about that. I know some people left

01:06:45.740 the cabinet. I don't, I kind of thought that was spineless. It's like, you work for me. You don't,

01:06:49.600 you know who he is. You don't like, come on, don't try to leave him at the last minute. But what did

01:06:53.480 you think about that, about his rhetoric after the November election? Well, you know, I probably

01:06:59.820 would have handled it a little bit differently. I, I simply would have insisted that the data be

01:07:07.180 looked at in an objective and open way, as opposed to saying, if you even talk about this, you're a

01:07:14.780 horrible person. I would have just made that the central theme and left it at that.

01:07:21.900 Um, you know, in terms of whether he incited rioting, um, you know, investigations were

01:07:31.480 demonstrated. I wouldn't use that word and say, I would say, you know, his rhetoric and his messaging

01:07:36.220 were in part to blame for what was in those people's heads that day.

01:07:41.120 But, uh, investigations have shown that there were a number of people and groups that were planning,

01:07:47.780 uh, some pretty horrendous things that day.

01:07:51.900 I don't care what he would have said. I think they would have gone ahead with their plan.

01:07:56.760 And it's also not known by many that, uh, that Trump recommended that they bring in 10,000

01:08:02.800 National Guard troops because he knew how big that crowd was going to be. And, uh, you know,

01:08:09.540 the powers at the house said, no, that won't have the right look. Well, does it have a,

01:08:17.080 does it have a better look at people rioting and tearing the place off? I don't think so.

01:08:21.900 I don't know. It's also unseemly, right? Like the, I've talked about it this week,

01:08:27.960 just what happened on January 6th. And I do not think that the media's handling of that event is

01:08:33.980 anything to be admired. I think they ought to be ashamed of themselves for comparing it to 9-11.

01:08:37.800 And it's, it was nowhere near, nowhere near that. And I was so irresponsible to even say that then

01:08:44.440 they continue to the Huffington post, the Washington post, ABC, NBC, MSNBC. I could go on,

01:08:53.020 have all allowed that kind of statement to be said on their air and in their publications

01:08:58.080 about January 6th, that it's comparing it to 9-11 or saying it's worse than 9-11. And even

01:09:05.120 Joe Biden, even Joe Biden has called January 6th, the worst attack on our democracy since the civil

01:09:15.200 war. So even he is saying worst, worse than 9-11, worse than Pearl Harbor. And, and then he goes out,

01:09:24.440 here's a soundbite just from Tuesday. And I don't think this is true, Ben, I got to tell you,

01:09:30.400 listen to what he said. This is his claim about what world leaders said to him, um, when he was

01:09:36.640 in Europe for the, for the G7 and NATO. Listen. The violence and the deadly insurrection on the

01:09:42.800 Capitol on January 6th. Just got back from Europe, speaking to the G7 and the NATO.

01:09:49.540 Not a joke. They wonder. Not a joke. They wonder, Gov. They ask me, is it going to be okay?

01:10:00.200 The citadel of democracy in the world, is it going to be okay?

01:10:05.000 Who? Who specifically? Name names.

01:10:07.480 It's, it's, it's, it's pretty unbelievable, but that's what I expect now because there are certain

01:10:15.040 agendas and ideological principles that much must be conformed to and everything must be interpreted

01:10:22.800 in light of those ideological constructs. So that's what I expect from most of the mainstream media

01:10:31.100 today. It doesn't surprise me in the slightest. It's unfortunate. Our world leaders are saying,

01:10:37.160 like, is the citadel of democracy going to be? No, they didn't. I don't believe it. It's not like

01:10:41.700 it's hard to believe that maybe like an Angela Merkel might have asked it, but I just don't.

01:10:46.840 This is rhetorical flair. I think that the rest of the world, quite frankly, is probably sitting back

01:10:52.560 and having a good belly laugh right now. Uh, looking at some of the things that we're doing in this

01:10:57.680 country, looking at the fact that we're going through all this stuff, for instance, about,

01:11:02.300 you know, transgender men playing in women's sports, give me a break. I mean, we, it's almost

01:11:10.020 as if we've lost our minds. I'm hopeful that we will regain them shortly, but I want you to think

01:11:16.740 about a child and what would it be like to be a little child growing up in today's society? First of

01:11:24.520 thought, you got to wear a mask. So you don't get a chance to look at people's facial expressions

01:11:28.960 and correlate those with what they're saying. That's a big part of sociological development.

01:11:34.200 And then you're told you may be carrying some deadly disease and you may give it to your grandmother

01:11:38.820 and she may die, even though you may be okay. And unfortunately, a lot of grandmothers do die.

01:11:45.480 And now you're thinking you're guilty. You caused it. And if you're white, you cause all the problems

01:11:51.700 in our society, you and your parents and your grandparents and all of your ancestors. And if

01:11:56.680 you're black or some other minority, somebody else has their foot on your neck and you're just a victim

01:12:02.900 in this society and people owe you all kinds of things. And then if all of that hasn't negatively

01:12:10.880 impacted your self-image, now you're told if you're a boy, you may not really be a boy. If you're a girl,

01:12:17.480 you may not really be a girl. How in the world are they supposed to grow up and be normal

01:12:22.740 individuals? I wonder. It's child abuse. It is child abuse. I've been saying the same thing.

01:12:29.940 Critical race theory is child abuse. This messaging on the trans stuff,

01:12:33.880 beyond non-bullying and support and kindness, which I support, all this stuff about your gender

01:12:39.200 is fluid and you can decide on Wednesday it may be different than it was on Tuesday is

01:12:42.600 abusive. It isn't true. And it's abusive. I saw a truck last week, Candy and I were driving

01:12:49.080 and it was one of those big muscle trucks with all the big exhaust and the big wheels.

01:12:54.760 And on the back, it said, I identify as a Prius. That was pretty funny.

01:13:05.620 Don't leave me now. We got more coming up in 60 seconds.

01:13:12.600 I'm curious because you say we do need to ensure free and fair elections in the country. Just make

01:13:17.820 sure people have confidence. We loosened the standards in the year of COVID on voting. No

01:13:23.120 question. That's why we did like drive through voting. That's one of the things they're trying

01:13:27.280 to get rid of now in Texas. I mean, we, we made it a lot easier for folks to stay at home and vote,

01:13:31.500 mail in and so on. Now we're going back to normal. And a lot of states are trying to tighten up the

01:13:37.240 voting laws. Well, that's what, that's what led all these Texas state lawmakers, Democrats

01:13:42.660 to flee their own state. They fled because they need to prevent a quorum so that no vote on this

01:13:49.040 law can be held on this bill because they know they're going to lose. So they, they decided to

01:13:53.220 leave. And by the way, nothing says we are fighting for the little people like jetting off on a private

01:13:57.820 jet. Um, and, and by the way, preventing votes, not just on this, but on hikes for teacher salaries and

01:14:03.580 lowering property taxes. I'm sure they're really resonating with the, with the locals in Texas.

01:14:08.260 I'm sure they're not taking their per diem, uh, allocation. Yeah, exactly. Oh, I think they want

01:14:14.400 donations to help them with their, the hotel mini bar. So here they are. This is just take a listen

01:14:19.820 to them. Thank you, Ms. T. Oh boy. I, I, I do.

01:14:49.800 feel for some of them. Uh, I mean, some of them are really sincere people. They just don't realize

01:14:56.040 they're being used. Interesting. It's very sad. By whom? Uh, by those who want to fundamentally

01:15:03.300 change this nation by people who want to fundamentally change our voting laws in order to basically make

01:15:11.220 it a one party country so that they can, uh, carry out all of their ideological, uh, mischievous ideas.

01:15:20.580 You know, Biden said that the January 6th, uh, riot was the worst attack on our democracy since the

01:15:27.140 civil war. Well, that didn't last long because now he says these voting rights laws, these are the most

01:15:33.400 significant test of our democracy. So everything's the most significant since the civil war. Just wait

01:15:37.800 another week and the Republicans will test it worse than they ever have. Here's, this is our first

01:15:42.180 soundbite for our, for Natasha. Um, listen, listen to him on these voting laws. We're facing the most

01:15:48.620 significant test of our democracy since the civil war. That's not hyperbole since the civil war.

01:15:56.800 The Confederates back then never breached the Capitol as insurrectionists did on January the 6th.

01:16:03.800 I'm not saying this to alarm you. I'm saying this because you should be alarmed.

01:16:11.140 I love that last, but I'm not, I'm not trying to alarm you, but you should be alarmed. Be very

01:16:15.440 alarmed. Exactly. I know. But he was talking about the voting laws there. He's tying the voting laws

01:16:20.600 with January 6th and huge assault by undemocracy. Well, it's, it's funny that I didn't hear any of that,

01:16:26.420 uh, kind of rhetoric, uh, last summer when over $2 billion worth of damage was done to people's

01:16:34.280 property and, uh, dozens of lives were lost. Uh, why don't we hear that kind of rhetoric in that

01:16:41.780 situation? Aren't those things just as devastating or is it only when the lawmakers feel threatened

01:16:50.920 that there's a problem? Do they not care about anybody else? Why is it that black lives matter

01:16:58.280 is so concerned when you have a black person who is unarmed, killed by a white policeman,

01:17:06.060 but all of those black lives in Chicago every weekend, they just get passing mention. Why is that?

01:17:15.700 Does, does that really make a lot of sense? I want people to actually start engaging those

01:17:22.820 huge frontal lobes that God gave us and start analyzing these things and seeing what things

01:17:29.100 make sense and what things don't make sense. And in what ways are they being manipulated?

01:17:36.020 And I think if people actually stopped and started thinking about that, most people are smart enough

01:17:41.560 to figure this out, but you know, they just go along with what they hear on, uh, on some of the social

01:17:47.900 media or on some of the cable stations without analyzing it themselves. What you have to recognize

01:17:54.400 is that people are quite different from animals. If you look at an animal's brain, you'll see a very

01:18:02.260 enlarged midbrain. Midbrain is where you do a lot of reacting. And that's why animals are so good at

01:18:10.320 reacting. You know, they, they, they, they observe things and they react to them. People on the other

01:18:17.120 hand have relatively smaller midbrains, but very large frontal lobes. Frontal lobes are where you

01:18:23.940 engage in active processing of information and, and really coming up with solutions. People are supposed

01:18:34.200 to be able to do that. Animals don't do that. So why would people act like animals and just react?

01:18:40.320 To external visual, visualized stimulus, like a person's skin color, as opposed to

01:18:48.180 delving, delving more deeply into how that person is based on their character.

01:18:55.160 It's always fun when I get reminded of your, your history as a brain surgeon and that, and just your,

01:19:01.060 your comment on that reminds me, I I've been dying to ask you this question, having been at the very,

01:19:06.460 very top of medicine. I mean, completely beloved, renowned, just, you know, one of our greatest

01:19:11.660 gifts and then traveled into presidential politics, not just conservatism, but presidential politics,

01:19:17.840 working for Trump, you know, considered the devil by many on the left. Any regrets? You know,

01:19:25.840 is there ever a time where you say, I wish I had stayed just cutting open people's skulls and

01:19:31.480 fixing problems, uh, in that department as opposed to, uh, for the country at large?

01:19:38.360 Uh, not really. Uh, there are those of us who are going to have to fight for this country

01:19:43.980 if we're going to save it. And also, you know, I have deep, deep faith in God. And, uh, Jesus said,

01:19:56.700 you know, if you do things that I do, and if you do what's right, instead of what's popular,

01:20:02.540 you're going to be persecuted. He said that, uh, I knew that when I got into the field, but, you know,

01:20:11.200 against the backdrop of eternity, whatever you suffer in this life is nothing. And you really

01:20:19.300 have to be able to look at the big picture here.

01:20:21.480 Hmm. Well said as usual. It's so good to reconnect with you again. I've missed talking to you.

01:20:29.260 Oh, I've missed talking to you too. It's been a lot of fun and, and I wish you the best in the

01:20:35.280 future. You're still a very young person and you don't know what's going to happen.

01:20:39.820 So are you, you're only 69. Hey, by today's presidential standards, you could run in 2028.

01:20:45.220 Right. No, thank you. Well, I'll continue watching and hoping.

01:20:52.000 I would like to just mention, uh, before we leave that, uh, encourage people to go to

01:20:57.820 americancornerstone.org and, uh, and look at what we're doing. You'll see a lot of conversations

01:21:04.660 that we've had, a lot of information, a lot of op-eds, uh, really talking about the major issues

01:21:11.840 that face us as a society today. I think it's a great idea. And I love your little Patriots

01:21:17.020 project too, trying to get the littles educated on the real history of America and not, not,

01:21:23.720 not indoctrinated by these far left teachers who want them to think it's about, you know,

01:21:28.640 Ibram X. Kendi's view of our past. You're a gift. You're a treasure, Ben Carson. What a pleasure.

01:21:33.960 Thank you. Well, thanks, Megan. Take care.

01:21:36.380 All right, folks, don't miss Monday's show because we have got Allie Beth Stuckey. She's

01:21:46.920 amazing. You know, her podcast, I think, right? She's over on the blaze and she's been killing it.

01:21:52.180 Uh, and this is a traditional Christian, uh, woman who's been totally fearless in her approach

01:21:58.580 to all social issues. And I find her really illuminating when I listen to her on some of

01:22:04.140 the legislation that the Biden administration is pushing through right now. I learn a lot,

01:22:07.920 uh, like the Equality Act. I mean, you should hear her talk about that and you will,

01:22:11.860 you will on Monday when I ask her all about it. Uh, but she's an awesome gal and I'm looking forward

01:22:16.180 to our discussion. And she's, uh, she's one of those tough folks who doesn't really care what

01:22:20.040 you say about her. Cause like Ben Carson was saying, she's got faith in her life. She's got

01:22:23.820 priorities where they matter. And, uh, I'm looking forward to our talk. So that's Monday and the next

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Dr. Ben Carson on American Exceptionalism, Being Victors Instead of Victims, and Biden and Trump ｜ Ep. 129

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