The Megyn Kelly Show - Dr. Jill's Taco Gaffe, and Narrative vs. Truth, with Kmele Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welch ｜ Ep. 355

00:00:00.440 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:11.400 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.840 We begin today with air travel and automation annoyance.

00:00:19.980 One family's story.

00:00:22.080 Perhaps you decided to travel this summer after two summers of COVID restrictions

00:00:25.740 that made it seem more trouble than it was worth.

00:00:27.760 Our family's right there with you.

00:00:30.000 With our kids now 8, 11, and 12, this summer seemed like the perfect time

00:00:34.140 to take them on their first big trip overseas.

00:00:36.700 After comparing airfares and schedules, we decided to fly Air France to Italy.

00:00:42.020 And despite all sorts of airline troubles in the news,

00:00:44.660 from a pilot shortage to high gas prices to a passenger surge,

00:00:49.140 we got to Florence with virtually no problems.

00:00:52.140 Had a great time.

00:00:53.380 Kids got some culture, amazing food, educational sites,

00:00:56.400 and we got to experience the joy of the Italian people, towns, and seaside.

00:01:00.700 So far, that and a thousand.

00:01:03.100 Then came the trip home.

00:01:05.260 I will spare you the details of Air France's disorganization,

00:01:09.200 lack of communication, long delays, and so on.

00:01:13.000 The good news is we landed safely at JFK and were grateful for our safe return.

00:01:17.980 By the way, the Air France airport and airplane staff were all lovely.

00:01:21.300 Then, we went to baggage claim.

00:01:25.440 For the first time, we had traveled with five bags.

00:01:28.820 Normally, we do three.

00:01:30.280 One for me, one for Doug, and one for the kids.

00:01:32.700 But they're getting older, and so we got them each their own little roller bag

00:01:36.140 so they could pack their own things and be responsible for their own stuff.

00:01:39.780 Seemed like a good idea at the time.

00:01:42.080 Thus, we checked five bags.

00:01:43.800 At JFK that Saturday evening, we waited at the baggage carousel.

00:01:49.520 You know that feeling when the bags finally start pouring out of the feeder,

00:01:53.200 down onto the conveyor belt.

00:01:55.800 Anticipation, trepidation, some pressure to get a good spot on the receiving line,

00:02:00.900 testing your reflexes in order to ensure that you can get in and get out

00:02:03.880 when your treasure rolls by.

00:02:06.140 We waited patiently as time and our bags, we hoped, would pass.

00:02:11.400 And bit by bit, our discouragement swelled.

00:02:16.200 We waited and we waited.

00:02:18.040 And can I tell you, not a single one of our five bags appeared.

00:02:22.680 Not one.

00:02:24.100 I mean, you have to hand it to Air France.

00:02:25.700 It's not like they failed on one tiny kid's roller.

00:02:28.160 All five bags, nary a trace.

00:02:31.700 We obsequiously approached the baggage claim agent.

00:02:34.920 If we kill him with kindness, it will surely improve our chances of recovery, right?

00:02:38.600 He was a nice enough guy, but it turns out he did not work for Air France.

00:02:43.520 He worked for JFK Baggage Services.

00:02:46.960 He told us we needed to fill out a claim for each bag and that JFK would deliver them to us once they arrive.

00:02:53.460 Good news.

00:02:54.360 The team there told us it looks like your bags are on Air France 8.

00:02:58.240 That's the very next flight.

00:03:00.260 They'll be here in three hours.

00:03:01.760 Great.

00:03:02.700 Phew.

00:03:03.800 What's more, JFK Baggage Services said that they would deliver the bags right to our home once they arrive.

00:03:08.040 You will?

00:03:08.960 Really?

00:03:09.580 That's awesome.

00:03:10.380 Thank you so much.

00:03:12.160 We left the airport feeling confident we would be reunited with the bags shortly.

00:03:15.880 JFK Baggage told us exactly that.

00:03:18.040 I mean, why wouldn't we be confident?

00:03:19.900 All in all, a great trip and a safe ride home.

00:03:23.700 And we knew our bags would be home shortly.

00:03:26.140 Woke up the next morning and like a kid looking for the first winter snow, I anxiously peered out the window.

00:03:31.680 Sure, I would see our five old banged up friends sitting at our front door.

00:03:36.260 No worse for the wear.

00:03:38.300 Not one, as it turned out, not even one bag was out there.

00:03:43.240 So much for Air France 8.

00:03:44.640 I tried calling the JFK Baggage Services, got the number they had given me, ready with my claim and my baggage numbers, and no one picked up.

00:03:53.780 Got voicemail.

00:03:54.880 Left one with all the relevant details.

00:03:56.840 No one called me back.

00:03:58.240 Couple of hours later, left another voicemail.

00:04:00.420 And then another.

00:04:01.660 And then another.

00:04:02.980 And then I stopped leaving voicemails and just kept calling, hoping a human would eventually pick up.

00:04:08.760 And calling and calling.

00:04:11.840 Guess how many times I called?

00:04:13.700 83 times.

00:04:15.300 After nearly 100 calls, someone finally picked up and had absolutely no idea where our bags were.

00:04:24.700 There was no record of them in the system at all.

00:04:27.920 Only Air France knew you're going to have to call them.

00:04:30.340 Click.

00:04:31.740 Okay.

00:04:32.660 Air France.

00:04:33.520 How exactly does one call Air France Lost Baggage Services?

00:04:37.340 We Googled it and found there is no calling them.

00:04:40.940 There is only their online baggage search tool.

00:04:44.700 Okay.

00:04:45.520 We'll do that.

00:04:46.520 And we'll keep calling JFK Baggage Services just in case something shows up there.

00:04:51.340 My call list of that number, by the way, at JFK looks like something out of a criminal stalker file.

00:04:55.660 I'm not proud.

00:04:56.820 It would not pick up.

00:04:58.660 Now, it's not like we had the Mona Lisa in our bags.

00:05:02.560 But we were sad at the thought of losing them.

00:05:05.500 There were lots of mementos in there from the trip.

00:05:07.620 The kids' travel journals with their little handwritten notes and memories.

00:05:11.280 Got a caricature of the three kids in Rome.

00:05:13.860 My little guy's mini statue of the David.

00:05:16.300 There were Father's Day presents that the kids cobbled together, which were super fun because we realized too late that Italy doesn't celebrate Father's Day in June.

00:05:23.720 It was stupid stuff, really, right?

00:05:25.140 But also kind of sentimental and obviously plenty of clothes and jewelry and so on.

00:05:30.220 Day after day, we waited, waited for word.

00:05:33.700 I called the JFK Baggage Services relentlessly, only to get the answering machine each time and waited and waited for word on our Air France claim.

00:05:43.300 Our travel agent friend tried to contact Air France for us, too, with absolutely zero luck.

00:05:47.560 No one could break through their fortress of non-humans. 1.00

00:05:51.560 On the bright side, one bag did arrive at JFK.

00:05:54.960 Hooray! 0.97

00:05:55.960 On the dark side, the JFK folks still had zero record of our other bags and had no idea where they might be.

00:06:04.020 Finally, I did something I have only done one other time in the 14 plus years I have been on Twitter.

00:06:09.940 I tweet shamed a company.

00:06:12.180 On Tuesday, June 28th, I tweeted the following at Air France.

00:06:16.320 Me, hey, at Air France, you managed to lose all of our bags.

00:06:20.740 Of course, it is impossible to get a human being to help us.

00:06:23.780 I realize you're busy disappointing, well, everyone, but how about some assistance?

00:06:28.920 I checked and checked my replies.

00:06:31.920 Nothing.

00:06:32.940 Like my teenage years all over again.

00:06:35.280 Finally, as the day ended, a response.

00:06:38.880 Someone from Air France.

00:06:40.100 A guy named Guillaume.

00:06:42.180 He told me how sorry Air France was to read my tweet.

00:06:45.280 And then, an offer to help.

00:06:47.760 Can you please send us a DM with as much information as possible and include your reference number and full contact details?

00:06:55.060 We will do our best to solve this.

00:06:57.200 Signed, Guillaume.

00:06:58.840 Nice.

00:06:59.900 Now we're getting somewhere.

00:07:01.220 The personal touch.

00:07:02.760 Just Guillaume.

00:07:04.080 Just Guillaume.

00:07:05.520 And me.

00:07:06.200 Like we're on a first name basis now.

00:07:07.620 But wait.

00:07:08.560 How could I DM Guillaume without his last name?

00:07:11.440 Hmm.

00:07:12.260 That's a problem.

00:07:13.300 Oh, wait.

00:07:13.680 He wants me to DM Air France.

00:07:15.300 Well, that's not as good.

00:07:16.600 Well, maybe he checks their Twitter account.

00:07:18.300 And maybe he's promising to personally follow up somehow.

00:07:20.820 Now that Guillaume and I are first name basis friends, I do feel better.

00:07:24.620 I do as instructed.

00:07:25.780 I send him everything.

00:07:26.760 The whole story.

00:07:27.700 The claim number.

00:07:28.520 The baggage numbers.

00:07:29.440 All of it.

00:07:30.200 A response pops up immediately.

00:07:32.200 Guillaume?

00:07:32.560 Guillaume?

00:07:33.420 Hello.

00:07:33.900 Hello.

00:07:34.560 I'm Louis, your Air France virtual assistant.

00:07:37.540 And I'm here to guide you.

00:07:38.860 Smiley face.

00:07:39.860 What can I help you with today?

00:07:41.720 Me.

00:07:42.300 Where is Guillaume?

00:07:43.680 He asks that we contact him directly.

00:07:46.020 Air France.

00:07:46.540 Do you have a question about an existing booking?

00:07:49.780 Me.

00:07:50.420 Did you read our earlier DM?

00:07:52.660 Air France.

00:07:53.380 You can talk to one of our assistants who will do their best to answer you as soon as possible.

00:07:58.040 Waiting time may vary.

00:07:59.440 For an immediate and personalized answer, you can also chat with me, Louis, Air France virtual

00:08:04.940 assistant.

00:08:05.880 Chat with...

00:08:07.180 And then the message ends.

00:08:09.180 Chat with whom?

00:08:10.200 What's my other option?

00:08:11.740 There's no knowing because it's blank.

00:08:13.660 Just chat with...

00:08:15.420 Me.

00:08:17.600 How can we reach Guillaume?

00:08:20.380 Air France.

00:08:21.840 Okay.

00:08:22.760 Let me pass you over to one of our agents who will get back to you as soon as possible.

00:08:27.500 I'm thinking, okay.

00:08:29.460 Maybe we're getting somewhere.

00:08:30.980 It's not exactly Guillaume, but they are passing me on to one of our agents.

00:08:35.260 That's something, right?

00:08:36.640 One of our agents is something.

00:08:38.760 More from Air France.

00:08:39.760 They write, please note.

00:08:41.400 That due to a large number of requests, we are unable to respond to you within a satisfactory

00:08:46.000 time frame.

00:08:47.500 I mean, on some level, you have to respect their honesty.

00:08:50.560 We are unable to respond to you within a satisfactory time frame.

00:08:53.540 Not like we might be unable.

00:08:55.880 You know, we hope we're able.

00:08:57.740 Just, we can't do it.

00:08:59.760 A point for candor, though, it does also look a little bit like a typo, so I can't be sure.

00:09:04.680 Anyway, back to the good news.

00:09:05.740 I have a new and promising relationship with, quote, one of our agents, who will be getting

00:09:10.780 back to me as soon as possible, albeit not within a satisfactory time frame.

00:09:14.500 I'll take it.

00:09:15.520 Wait.

00:09:16.080 More comes in from Air France.

00:09:17.180 If you wish to modify, cancel your trip, or request a refund, you can do so on our website

00:09:22.860 in the My Booking section.

00:09:24.660 Me.

00:09:25.200 Wait, what?

00:09:26.500 Air France.

00:09:27.160 For all other questions related to COVID-19, click here.

00:09:30.600 Me.

00:09:30.980 COVID?

00:09:31.660 What?

00:09:32.580 Air France.

00:09:33.100 For any other subject, please renew your request here.

00:09:36.680 And then?

00:09:38.140 Absolutely nothing follows.

00:09:39.960 No link.

00:09:40.780 Just more blank space.

00:09:43.020 Nothing.

00:09:44.280 Me.

00:09:44.780 What happened to one of our agents?

00:09:46.960 Where is he or she or they or they?

00:09:49.560 I'll take any one of them.

00:09:51.560 Shockingly, no one contacted us.

00:09:54.280 Back onto public Twitter, I go.

00:09:56.980 Me.

00:09:57.560 Guillaume of Air France sent me this message below to make it look like they were helping.

00:10:01.640 I DM'd him and got their terrible AI, which just keeps asking me if I want to make a reservation.

00:10:07.320 Um, no, I want my four lost bags.

00:10:10.700 Incompetent.

00:10:11.620 Where is a human to help us?

00:10:14.940 I'm starting to get annoyed by this point in the process.

00:10:17.860 Back onto DM as well, restating the back and forth that we had had with fake news Guillaume

00:10:22.000 and fake human Lewis.

00:10:23.940 And Air France reply pops up.

00:10:25.740 Surely this is, quote, one of our agents.

00:10:28.020 It's a personalized response, letting me know that they're on the case.

00:10:31.940 I click on the message, the message.

00:10:34.600 All of our assistants are very busy at the moment.

00:10:36.880 If you want to keep waiting, we'll keep your spot in the queue.

00:10:39.700 Do you still need assistance?

00:10:40.980 Please note, if you do not respond to this message within 24 hours, we will end the conversation.

00:10:46.740 What?

00:10:47.700 It turns out one of our agents is rude.

00:10:50.480 I do still need assistance.

00:10:52.200 I am responding to the messages.

00:10:54.320 What do you mean you'll end the conversation?

00:10:55.700 Like, this conversation is not working for me.

00:10:58.680 Where are our bags?

00:11:00.420 Where is a human?

00:11:01.580 Guillaume?

00:11:02.460 Lewis?

00:11:03.460 Anyone?

00:11:04.760 Me.

00:11:06.320 We want to speak to a human being within the next 24 hours.

00:11:11.520 Air France.

00:11:12.380 You got it.

00:11:13.500 Our assistants are working hard to get back to you as soon as possible.

00:11:16.980 We'll keep your spot in the queue.

00:11:19.040 Our spot in the queue?

00:11:20.420 What queue?

00:11:21.320 The queue is aligned to nowhere.

00:11:23.580 Back to public Twitter I go.

00:11:25.300 Where I tweet about fake news Guillaume, terrible AI Lewis, and the incompetent Air France.

00:11:31.400 Guess what?

00:11:32.600 That finally earned a real response.

00:11:36.660 Only my public shaming of them got me anywhere, which is deeply problematic since most people do not have this ability.

00:11:44.780 Air France on public Twitter.

00:11:46.620 Hello, at Megyn Kelly.

00:11:49.140 Artificial intelligence is only used to start the conversation and respond to the most common requests.

00:11:54.660 A human agent takes over after a few hours to provide more complex answers.

00:12:00.220 Be assured we are doing everything possible to solve your baggage delay.

00:12:04.680 They tell me that they think they found one bag and that JFK will contact us if it arrives.

00:12:12.140 And it does.

00:12:13.300 Two out of five now.

00:12:15.060 Nine days after our arrival back home.

00:12:17.020 But hey, we'll take it.

00:12:18.340 Two is better than none.

00:12:19.640 Then radio silence for over a week.

00:12:25.160 Nothing.

00:12:26.360 I'm over the denial and the anger and the bargaining now.

00:12:30.260 And I'm settling into acceptance.

00:12:32.020 They're lost.

00:12:32.960 They're gone.

00:12:33.900 I get it.

00:12:34.400 It happens.

00:12:35.680 But three lost bags is kind of a lot.

00:12:37.100 And still not a single conversation with a real live person.

00:12:42.540 No one who can answer my questions like, what are the odds the others will show?

00:12:47.020 Is there no way of knowing where they are with the little tags?

00:12:50.800 Like a computer system that could tell you they're sitting in Paris?

00:12:53.660 What's the reimbursement policy?

00:12:55.440 Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

00:12:57.660 Then on Sunday, like a miracle, a text.

00:13:02.160 Yes, a text to my phone.

00:13:04.660 They've had my cell phone all along, those bastards.

00:13:07.940 A text pops up that reads, all three bags will arrive to your house today.

00:13:14.400 It's Christmas in July.

00:13:16.140 Our clothes, our kids' journals, our memories, everything.

00:13:18.860 Three bags.

00:13:19.980 Later that day, sure enough, a delivery.

00:13:22.600 And guess what was there?

00:13:24.680 Two bags.

00:13:26.780 It's not over.

00:13:28.100 It's never going to be over.

00:13:30.420 What if I try texting back on my phone?

00:13:33.080 Okay, sure.

00:13:33.720 Right, yeah, right.

00:13:35.160 I return to my only option, Twitter DMs.

00:13:38.760 There I go again.

00:13:39.820 When I get there, a message is already waiting for me.

00:13:43.780 What's this?

00:13:44.460 Could they possibly be on top of the two out of three bag situation?

00:13:49.060 Air France.

00:13:50.240 We can see that the rest of the bags have been delivered.

00:13:52.940 And then, are you satisfied with our social media service?

00:13:56.240 Me?

00:13:56.840 Are you fucking kidding me?

00:13:58.360 What I actually wrote was, no, we are still missing one bag.

00:14:04.960 A quick response from Air France.

00:14:06.980 And what is it?

00:14:08.640 Hello, I'm Louis, your Air France virtual assistant.

00:14:11.580 And I'm here to guide you, smiley face.

00:14:13.580 What can I help you with today?

00:14:15.160 Me.

00:14:15.680 OMG.

00:14:17.140 Your no-promise three bags were coming.

00:14:19.620 Only two arrived.

00:14:21.240 Air France.

00:14:21.700 Do you have a question about an existing booking?

00:14:24.720 Louis!

00:14:25.680 Louis!

00:14:26.800 I write back, no, no.

00:14:29.620 I want a human to respond.

00:14:32.660 Air France.

00:14:33.780 Hello, Megan.

00:14:34.760 Could you please advise the tag number of the bag which was not delivered?

00:14:37.840 We await your reply.

00:14:39.440 Me.

00:14:39.740 Yes.

00:14:40.160 They use my name.

00:14:41.340 That's progress.

00:14:42.100 That's real progress.

00:14:42.940 Their comment is situation appropriate.

00:14:45.080 A human might be here.

00:14:46.360 We're back on track.

00:14:47.620 I provide the tag number.

00:14:48.720 Maybe they will now tell me where the last bag is or something.

00:14:54.040 A message pops up.

00:14:55.280 Here it is.

00:14:56.020 My answers.

00:14:57.260 Air France.

00:14:58.140 Hello, I'm Louis, your Air France virtual assistant.

00:15:00.960 And I'm here to guide you, smiley face.

00:15:02.820 What can I help you with today?

00:15:05.060 Me.

00:15:06.320 Please see all of my earlier correspondence.

00:15:09.800 Air France.

00:15:10.720 Hello, I'm Louis, your Air France virtual assistant.

00:15:13.520 And I'm here to guide you, smiley face.

00:15:15.460 What can I help you with today?

00:15:16.740 Ah!

00:15:18.720 And that's where things stand as of today.

00:15:23.060 Now, is it a world tragedy that Air France lost our bags?

00:15:26.520 No.

00:15:27.380 The country has bigger problems.

00:15:28.740 I get that.

00:15:29.880 But the reason I am telling you this story is that I know it's happening to millions of

00:15:34.180 people who feel as frustrated as I do.

00:15:37.800 Folks who do not have the ability to publicly shame the airline over and over to get some kind

00:15:42.340 of a response, people who don't have the time to deal with fake agent Louis and his inane

00:15:47.360 requests and incessant smiley faces.

00:15:49.960 We are nearly three weeks out now from our return to the U.S.

00:15:53.220 And would you believe in all of that time, I have never spoken to a single Air France employee, not one for five lost bags, despite the public tweets and all of it.

00:16:06.720 Air travel, as you know, is not cheap, right?

00:16:09.620 Neither is checking bags.

00:16:10.660 The airlines do their level best to make you pay however they can.

00:16:14.160 Half of them charge extra for a snack now, never mind a meal or if your bag is too heavy or if you want the crappy headphones.

00:16:20.240 The CEO of Air France, who took a bailout from the French and Dutch governments during the pandemic and then went on to reportedly pocket over three million bucks in salary and bonuses last year, actually bragged in the press two weeks ago, quote, the ability to pass on higher costs to customers is unbelievable.

00:16:38.500 Really?

00:16:39.840 Maybe you could put some of that money into customer service, into baggage location technology, into Guillaume's pocket.

00:16:47.200 So he's motivated to follow up into your terrible A.I., which gives false hope and then harassment.

00:16:53.680 My point is, I realize the airlines are under a lot of strain, but business is great for them right now.

00:17:01.340 They're on track for record profits.

00:17:03.800 Air France clearly feels zero guilt about charging its customers exorbitant fees and its customers have a right to expect basic services like safety, on time departures and arrivals.

00:17:14.780 And yes, our bags in a timely manner.

00:17:19.380 Air France, you fail.

00:17:21.660 Au revoir, Guillaume.

00:17:23.780 Brownie face, Louis.

00:17:26.380 And that's it.

00:17:32.060 Joining me now, the hosts of the fifth column podcast, Matt Wells.

00:17:35.900 Oh my lord.

00:17:36.660 Gosh.

00:17:37.460 In heaven.

00:17:40.320 Hello, Megan.

00:17:41.800 And I am sorry this is happening to you.

00:17:44.980 Dear lord.

00:17:46.740 That's good.

00:17:47.660 That's like the length of a Ken Burns documentary.

00:17:51.360 All the sadness of the Bataan Death March.

00:17:54.160 That is really terrifying.

00:17:56.000 I just want to give more dating tips from Guillaume.

00:17:58.460 I think that's a lesson for all of us.

00:18:00.140 I think it might have been Robert Guillaume who played Benson.

00:18:03.280 I'm not sure.

00:18:04.020 Who died three years ago.

00:18:05.780 It could be that.

00:18:07.180 Good lord.

00:18:08.320 It's Matt Welsh.

00:18:09.340 It's Michael Moynihan.

00:18:10.180 And it's Camille Foster right there.

00:18:11.600 Okay, the guys who host the fifth column podcast and our friends.

00:18:14.300 I'm sorry.

00:18:15.180 But like only in taking the time to outline it in the detail in which it happened brings

00:18:19.820 home the pain that I know so many of us go through when this kind of stuff happens.

00:18:24.580 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:26.540 No, it's totally it's totally fair.

00:18:28.400 And I share your pain.

00:18:29.980 I actually had a very similar situation going to Rome, but I lost our bags at the beginning

00:18:35.240 of the trip and only ended up recovering them because I insisted on going back to the

00:18:40.560 airport for consecutive days in a row to search for the bag myself and found it on the

00:18:45.920 fourth and final day in Rome.

00:18:47.300 So I didn't have that option because I believe they were lost in Paris.

00:18:50.960 We flew out of Naples.

00:18:52.400 We had a like a layover at Charles de Gaulle Airport in Paris and then we flew to JFK.

00:18:58.080 So I'm pretty sure that's where they lost them in in Paris.

00:19:01.080 But I have no idea since I have never spoken to a human.

00:19:05.320 And Megan, I want to just show my Irish appreciation for somebody named Kelly, who has the same

00:19:12.840 level of rage that all Irish people have. 1.00

00:19:16.500 It produces 83 phone calls, which is illegal in most places.

00:19:21.400 You know, you're a little off, but that's fine.

00:19:23.420 I'm not well.

00:19:23.860 I do the same thing.

00:19:25.120 I do it all the time.

00:19:26.280 And the people around me, from my daughter to everybody else, is like, could you please

00:19:30.180 stop?

00:19:30.540 And I'm like, no, no, this is how you get things done because they're not going to pay

00:19:33.420 attention to me.

00:19:33.800 There's so many things that were surprising about that story.

00:19:36.180 Number one, that you have a travel agent friend.

00:19:38.080 I didn't know that still existed.

00:19:40.420 And I love the fact that we're not going to get back to you in a satisfactory manner.

00:19:45.540 It's like they already know it's so bad that it cannot possibly be satisfactory to you.

00:19:51.380 And then you still don't.

00:19:52.780 So let me be clear.

00:19:53.560 You still don't have the final bag.

00:19:55.720 Is this correct?

00:19:56.340 I am still down the bag and have no idea when, if at all, it will come.

00:20:01.920 Unbelievable.

00:20:02.480 Here's my tip.

00:20:03.280 I'm going to give you a tip on this.

00:20:06.080 Air France is a Delta partner.

00:20:08.080 Call Delta and book with Delta because they have a dedicated number for those who have

00:20:12.620 status, which, you know, you got to have.

00:20:15.040 And you got to push on the phone every time.

00:20:17.440 You're Megyn Kelly.

00:20:18.200 Come on.

00:20:18.500 You have status.

00:20:19.600 You have to.

00:20:20.420 You have some status.

00:20:20.960 But you know what?

00:20:22.240 That's like what's interesting about the story and great about the story.

00:20:25.520 Like, I had no status.

00:20:27.120 They couldn't have given a shit that I was a public figure or not.

00:20:29.620 And that's fine.

00:20:30.140 That's that's actually good, because that's what gave me the window into how they treat

00:20:33.880 everybody and how wrong it is.

00:20:36.060 You know, like normally if this were like a small deal, I would have just pondered off

00:20:39.780 on Abby.

00:20:40.400 My assistant made her do it. 1.00

00:20:41.800 Like, that's why I put her.

00:20:43.400 Poor Abby. 1.00

00:20:44.380 Jeez.

00:20:44.700 I love that she lives for this stuff.

00:20:46.220 Are you kidding?

00:20:46.580 She's so much more efficient than I am.

00:20:48.080 But like this one was mine.

00:20:49.540 It had happened to me.

00:20:50.520 I'm like, I need to handle that.

00:20:51.720 I'm the one who filled out the baggage claims and all that stuff.

00:20:54.340 I'm like, it's just easier if I stay on it.

00:20:56.520 And and it was kind of like it was good in the same way.

00:20:59.100 It was good that I got sued as a result of a fender bender in law school because it gave

00:21:04.000 me the perspective of what it's like to be on the receiving end of the lawsuit.

00:21:07.360 It is good to get into the mud every once in a while on these awful customer service

00:21:12.820 things and not just pawn it off on my assistant so that I can better understand how fucking 0.90

00:21:17.720 annoying all the automation is, how terrible the airlines are and why all these people

00:21:23.000 are are having babies with Elon Musk.

00:21:25.340 They can just fly private.

00:21:27.800 I think his name is Louie and not Lewis.

00:21:31.980 And Louie is somebody in Sri Lanka or Pakistan.

00:21:36.500 Yeah, it's like there's no French people involved in this.

00:21:39.320 Even when I when I finally got through to JFK baggage claim, I believe I was speaking

00:21:42.940 to a woman in India.

00:21:43.960 I do not believe that the woman was actually at JFK.

00:21:46.500 Actually, she could, of course, couldn't answer anything.

00:21:48.560 I'm like, I'm like, I talked to the guy and I chose not to say the guy's name on the air

00:21:51.840 because I don't want to publicly humiliate the JFK baggage guy who was very sweet.

00:21:54.800 But I'm like, he told me the bags would be there three hours later.

00:21:57.320 They're on air for N8.

00:21:58.440 She was like, he's new.

00:21:59.960 He's new.

00:22:01.260 She's made it up.

00:22:02.320 We have in the fifth column a phrase that emanates from Camille due to his status issues

00:22:12.900 called a never fly coach, which is his approach to NFC and everything.

00:22:19.780 But from this summer's air travel nightmare, which I've been a participant in as well,

00:22:26.300 I think I'm going to start appending that just never fly.

00:22:30.760 And right now, it's actually literally the case.

00:22:33.020 I took a bunch of airplanes the other week and my ear hemorrhaged.

00:22:37.200 So that wasn't like that.

00:22:39.360 Who's this, Steve Madden?

00:22:41.900 Wait, not Steve Madden.

00:22:43.100 He's the shoe guy.

00:22:44.300 John Madden.

00:22:44.680 The football, John Madden.

00:22:46.220 He hated flying.

00:22:47.420 He would only take the bus.

00:22:48.280 God may he wait.

00:22:50.400 But the it's it is so awful right now.

00:22:53.740 The stories coming out of Heathrow right now are just like it's like the evacuation of

00:22:58.320 Vietnam in 1975 at the U.S.

00:23:00.200 Embassy.

00:23:00.640 It sounds just absolutely.

00:23:01.880 At least they got people out.

00:23:03.980 Exactly.

00:23:04.800 They're just marooned there.

00:23:05.880 It's like the Tom Hanks movie.

00:23:07.220 They couldn't bring their bags, though.

00:23:10.200 Here's some stats for you.

00:23:11.400 In June, there were 3000 cancellations over the July 4th holiday.

00:23:15.180 Airlines canceled twelve hundred flights on Friday, another twelve hundred on Saturday,

00:23:20.520 three hundred and twenty five on Sunday and Monday, July 4th, respectively.

00:23:24.220 Now, don't worry, because Pete Buttigieg is on the case.

00:23:27.220 He told Fox News Sunday that the Department of Transportation has launched about 10 investigations

00:23:31.740 into consumer complaints about airlines not giving the refunds after the canceled flights.

00:23:37.320 There's a pilot shortage because a bunch of them aged out and then over the pandemic weren't

00:23:44.140 used and retired and they didn't backfill them.

00:23:47.660 So I realize the airlines are dealing with a lot.

00:23:49.480 But when you've got the CEO of Air France bragging on how easy it is to pass on their increased

00:23:53.900 cost to the customers like me and then you can't get a human.

00:23:58.360 Screw him.

00:23:59.220 I don't have any sympathy for him.

00:24:01.280 You know, it's like you agreed to run the business.

00:24:03.520 Run it.

00:24:03.880 Well, remember that you pay for bags that you didn't have.

00:24:07.800 You remember, you didn't have to pay for bags in the past.

00:24:09.660 Right.

00:24:09.960 You had to pay for bags because there was a fuel surcharge because the price of a barrel

00:24:15.000 of oil was like one hundred and forty dollars.

00:24:16.940 And they said, you know, because of that, we have to make you pay for the bags.

00:24:20.620 We're losing a lot of money and it'll keep your your base fare lower.

00:24:24.160 They never changed that when oil plummeted.

00:24:26.700 So once they allow once they get that way of ripping you off and they see that you'll pay it,

00:24:30.820 they never take it away.

00:24:31.600 And that's the thing that people forget about the baggage fee, which is ridiculous.

00:24:35.540 And how about the fact that you have to pay for a meal now?

00:24:37.540 Isn't that ridiculous?

00:24:38.760 It's like you're on a flight.

00:24:40.200 It's like six hours long and you don't get a free meal.

00:24:43.000 You got to pay for like the lame little snack pack that the flight attendant is. 1.00

00:24:46.600 It's like my, you know, whatever the price is, it could be domestic.

00:24:50.880 It could be foreign.

00:24:51.860 But they're always expensive.

00:24:53.780 Doesn't even get me like the shitty little sandwich with a fake hammond.

00:24:57.420 Megan, this is also the most Irish thing in the world. 0.97

00:24:59.860 Why are you not flying first class?

00:25:02.520 I don't.

00:25:03.260 Well, it was overseas and we were five of us.

00:25:05.340 It was like, we're not doing that.

00:25:06.380 That's expensive.

00:25:06.900 Oh, my God.

00:25:08.040 No, no, no.

00:25:09.160 That's when you need it most of all.

00:25:10.860 This is why you make the money so you can spend it on air travel.

00:25:14.400 And I don't want my I truly don't.

00:25:17.440 I do have my human rights violation.

00:25:19.880 I have my indulgences like Abby.

00:25:21.760 Right.

00:25:22.060 She's my sister.

00:25:22.720 She takes care of a lot for me.

00:25:23.860 But I don't want my kids growing up being spoiled brats either.

00:25:26.520 So I try to moderate it.

00:25:28.180 You know, I try to moderate it.

00:25:30.240 Make them sit in economy.

00:25:31.700 You sit in first class and check the bags under your name.

00:25:34.700 They put the special tags on them.

00:25:36.140 Exactly.

00:25:36.700 Generally, the classes don't get lost.

00:25:38.600 But I also don't check bags anymore.

00:25:40.860 So sometimes we'll do business class with them.

00:25:42.920 We won't.

00:25:43.600 We don't do first class with our kids.

00:25:44.780 They don't deserve that.

00:25:46.220 Yeah.

00:25:46.580 No, put them in the back.

00:25:47.520 Put them in the back.

00:25:48.620 Yeah.

00:25:48.780 But you can still go.

00:25:50.100 Put them in storage.

00:25:51.000 That's right.

00:25:51.680 I'm still a little young to really separate.

00:25:54.040 Although, can I tell you something on Air France?

00:25:55.720 That was another thing.

00:25:56.940 You're not allowed to separate from your little guy.

00:25:59.560 My little guys, he wants me to tell you he's almost nine.

00:26:02.220 He's not just eight.

00:26:02.880 He's almost nine.

00:26:03.860 He turns nine on the 23rd of this month.

00:26:06.280 But you can't even...

00:26:07.900 I couldn't sit across the aisle from him.

00:26:09.940 I had to be right...

00:26:10.520 I'm like, literally, he's right across the aisle.

00:26:12.620 If something happens, I'll just grab him.

00:26:14.600 They're like, no, you have to be right next...

00:26:15.940 I'm like, this is...

00:26:16.560 Why?

00:26:17.500 These stupid rules.

00:26:18.260 Run away?

00:26:19.540 I mean, that's very straight.

00:26:21.680 He's going to hijack the plane or something?

00:26:23.280 I mean, what could he possibly do?

00:26:25.600 I mean, it might be a pain, but that's a little much.

00:26:28.240 Megan, confess.

00:26:29.480 If the doorbell rang, if the doorman shouted up the elevator shaft towards your penthouse

00:26:36.420 and said, Madame, it's Guillaume.

00:26:39.720 You're going to sprint.

00:26:41.740 You're going to absolutely rush into the arms of Guillaume.

00:26:45.320 I would.

00:26:46.420 He'd be my new French lover.

00:26:48.760 Yes.

00:26:49.640 And by the way, Guillaume doesn't exist, and everyone on Air France is probably on strike,

00:26:53.960 so you're not going to ever talk to anyone.

00:26:56.100 You know, Doug was laughing with me because, wouldn't you know, the very first bag that

00:26:59.260 we got, and we were waiting forever for the others, but the very first one we got was Doug's

00:27:02.960 bag, which you guys can probably relate to, was absolutely the last bag we needed.

00:27:07.800 Doug literally wears one outfit the entire summer.

00:27:10.860 A Mickey Mouse shirt and a pair of shorts.

00:27:13.580 That's it.

00:27:14.120 He literally wears a Mickey Mouse shirt in Europe?

00:27:17.100 Yes.

00:27:17.420 He was literally wearing a Mickey Mouse shirt.

00:27:18.720 Oh, God.

00:27:19.500 Is he flying an American flag, too?

00:27:21.680 He's just not, he's not a thread kind of guy.

00:27:24.700 He just has, you know, he's beautiful, but he doesn't have a huge sense of style, and

00:27:28.980 I've just chosen to live with that.

00:27:31.340 But I'm just, my point is, why couldn't it have been my bag?

00:27:33.860 Why did it have to be Doug's bag?

00:27:35.900 Bet you Guillaume dress is nice.

00:27:36.980 Oh, yeah.

00:27:38.540 In Megan's clothes now.

00:27:39.780 He's going to come back covered in brie with a bunch of wine stands on it.

00:27:48.340 Well, look, here's my promise to America.

00:27:51.340 If you have a problem with Air France or anybody else, and if you want to tweet at me and see

00:27:56.360 if I can help you publicly shame your airline to try to get some results, I will use my Twitter

00:28:00.880 power for good.

00:28:02.380 I understand what you're going through, and I am here for you.

00:28:05.260 That's a good business idea.

00:28:06.720 Wow.

00:28:07.460 I'm just, I'm going to do that.

00:28:11.840 I'm going to rent it out.

00:28:13.120 Wow.

00:28:13.400 Actually, news happening today beyond my bags, and we're going to get to that next as we discuss

00:28:20.800 Dr. Jill Biden and her compliment to the Latinx community, calling them just as unique as a

00:28:27.340 breakfast taco.

00:28:28.900 That happened, and it's next.

00:28:35.260 So, Dr. Jill Biden was apparently sent to the southern border to shore up Joe Biden's

00:28:42.900 poll numbers there, which have been sinking like a stone with the Hispanic population. 1.00

00:28:47.400 So, they send in Dr. Jill, thinking she would be more popular than Joe, and what they sent

00:28:53.520 her to was, quote, the Latinx inclusion, spelled X-I-O-N, get it, it's a play on the X, the

00:29:02.640 Latinx luncheon, the Latinx inclexion luncheon.

00:29:09.480 Keep in mind, literally, the polls showed that 2% of Hispanic voters use or like that

00:29:16.800 term.

00:29:17.200 Okay, two.

00:29:17.920 So, that's who they're appealing to when they say Latinx.

00:29:20.000 She was giving the headline speech at the luncheon, and this is a luncheon at which they provide

00:29:26.580 the opportunity to learn about and collaborate on issues ranging from housing to health, racial

00:29:31.320 equity to education, diversity and inclusion, to owning our narrative as a community.

00:29:38.600 And this is how Dr. Jill Biden thought that the Latinx community could, quote, own their

00:29:44.360 narrative or what she thought their narrative was.

00:29:48.200 She stepped in it.

00:29:49.120 Here it is.

00:29:51.180 But we can't get those things on our own.

00:29:54.760 Raul helped build this organization with the understanding that the diversity of this

00:30:02.100 community, as distinct as the Bogodá's of the Bronx, as beautiful as the blossoms of Miami,

00:30:10.340 and as unique as the breakfast tacos here in San Antonio.

00:30:18.980 Oh, dear.

00:30:20.040 The Bogodá's? 0.90

00:30:20.920 I don't know if she's actually trying to affect, like, a Latinx or Latinx.

00:30:27.420 I actually don't.

00:30:28.140 I have no idea what's going on there.

00:30:29.260 I don't know which one it is.

00:30:29.740 I don't know if she's trying to affect some sort of accent there or if she just has never

00:30:33.160 actually said the word bodega out loud before.

00:30:35.300 Can we pause this broadcast for a special announcement?

00:30:38.220 Could you come over here?

00:30:38.820 I just texted my husband, Doug.

00:30:40.200 He's in the house.

00:30:41.120 He's here.

00:30:41.660 Jersey.

00:30:42.540 Bring him on.

00:30:42.940 I don't know if you can see.

00:30:43.400 Is he wearing a T-shirt?

00:30:44.640 Oh, my God.

00:30:45.160 Can you look at this?

00:30:46.220 Look at him.

00:30:47.440 Oh, my God.

00:30:49.680 He's wearing a Mickey Mouse T-shirt.

00:30:51.400 He's saying, oh, my God.

00:30:54.840 He's wearing a Mickey Mouse T-shirt.

00:30:56.220 It's real.

00:30:56.600 USA.

00:30:57.660 Thank God it's back.

00:30:58.520 USA.

00:30:59.600 I'm taking you shopping, Doug.

00:31:00.780 Thank God it's back.

00:31:01.140 You and me.

00:31:02.760 I'm glad they got it back.

00:31:05.760 Air France got your case of T-shirts back.

00:31:08.420 They're very happy that.

00:31:09.640 No, it's not a case of T-shirts.

00:31:11.060 It's just the one.

00:31:12.740 It's the same.

00:31:13.460 Wow.

00:31:14.080 It's just the one.

00:31:15.700 Yeah.

00:31:16.440 You guys are very frugal.

00:31:19.300 That's great.

00:31:21.400 Well, he's Scottish.

00:31:22.800 You know, he's always pointing out of his Scottish roots.

00:31:24.420 Oh, yeah.

00:31:24.840 Yeah.

00:31:25.100 He's not a spender.

00:31:25.960 He's really not.

00:31:27.180 Yeah.

00:31:27.540 That's good.

00:31:28.020 We're cousins, maybe.

00:31:29.200 He never gives me a hard time for spending.

00:31:31.180 Like, he doesn't care.

00:31:32.000 He's not like a materialistic guy.

00:31:34.260 Okay.

00:31:34.440 So back to Latinks and Bogoda. 1.00

00:31:37.240 Like, Bogoda.

00:31:38.340 Bogoda.

00:31:38.800 She's like Abe Bogoda.

00:31:42.860 And you all being just as unique as a breakfast taco.

00:31:46.160 That's amazing.

00:31:46.700 Oh, my God.

00:31:48.300 That is really.

00:31:49.640 Dr. Jill shouting out the Diggabodas in the Bronx. 0.99

00:31:55.360 I mean, I'd say I'm going to defend Dr. Jill.

00:32:01.220 She's a doctor, right?

00:32:02.300 I mean, she's a chiropractor. 0.94

00:32:04.580 Did we figure that out yet?

00:32:05.580 But she's a doctor.

00:32:06.620 But either way, if you're hurt, she's going to come to your aid.

00:32:09.200 But she said this in a way, in that whole kind of sentence there, because it's the first

00:32:14.660 time I heard it.

00:32:15.460 As I said to your producer, I made sure not to listen to it so I could be completely shocked

00:32:19.620 and horrified in real time.

00:32:20.980 And I was.

00:32:22.260 But at the same time, we allow this for pretty much every other culture.

00:32:26.880 If you look at every comment, speaking of the Irish again, Megan, as a fellow Irishman,

00:32:33.480 every president of the past like 10 have made jokes about the Irish being drunken losers,

00:32:39.560 which is true.

00:32:41.800 That's why it's funny.

00:32:42.660 I mean, it's funny.

00:32:45.380 And, you know, this is like just to say, this is your food.

00:32:49.120 This is your taco.

00:32:50.300 I get it.

00:32:51.140 It's not the worst offense in the world.

00:32:52.820 But I know people really love to get offended.

00:32:55.160 But it is really funny when the people who, you know, are in the kind of ideology or in

00:33:00.240 the party who are always enforcing these really weird dictates get bitten by it.

00:33:05.200 That's why that's why I kind of like it.

00:33:06.720 It is so condescending.

00:33:09.160 Like, you're just as cute as a little taco.

00:33:10.880 No, at least you didn't say like a chalupa, which is like not real and a Taco Bell thing.

00:33:16.960 I should read you the response by the the hold on.

00:33:21.760 Let me find it.

00:33:23.120 Oh, where is it?

00:33:24.720 The National Association of Hispanic Journalists, which responded.

00:33:31.800 Is that in today's update?

00:33:32.900 Why am I not find it?

00:33:33.740 It must be in today's.

00:33:35.040 Yeah, yeah.

00:33:35.320 Here it is.

00:33:35.720 Here it is.

00:33:37.140 OK, they they put out a Twitter statement.

00:33:39.160 Using breakfast tacos to try to demonstrate the uniqueness of Latinos in San Antonio demonstrates

00:33:56.140 a lack of cultural knowledge and sensitivity to the diversity of Latinos in the region.

00:34:00.500 Our group encourages Dr. Biden and her speech writing team to take time to better understand

00:34:05.140 the complexities of our people and communities.

00:34:07.260 We are not tacos.

00:34:11.340 We just eat them.

00:34:14.060 As Latinos is shaped by various diasporas, cultures and food traditions.

00:34:19.020 Do not reduce us to stereotypes.

00:34:21.700 We are not tacos.

00:34:23.640 Dr. Biden.

00:34:24.720 Or finally someone said it.

00:34:27.100 Also not using the word Latinx, though.

00:34:28.980 No, they're not using Latinx.

00:34:30.400 Yeah, they use Latino.

00:34:31.520 She's had to apologize.

00:34:32.620 Now she's sorry for her.

00:34:35.600 Like, you know, she stepped in it.

00:34:36.720 She basically said, I love everybody and I'm sorry that I offended anybody.

00:34:40.740 You know, that kind of thing.

00:34:41.420 But all I could think was, can you imagine if Melania Trump said this?

00:34:45.660 Days of coverage.

00:34:47.140 Well, she probably did.

00:34:51.080 Look at all your tacos out there.

00:34:52.860 I mean, look, I say it's a very good thing in this country that we've progressed so much

00:35:02.900 when the outrage about racism is someone talking to a Latino group and invoking tacos.

00:35:10.400 Yes.

00:35:10.600 It used to be a lot worse than that.

00:35:12.380 We used to say really nasty things.

00:35:14.260 And this is comparatively not bad.

00:35:16.060 I love how Marco Rubio said this is the breakfast taco that I sell.

00:35:22.860 I identify with.

00:35:23.560 And he showed a picture of a hard shell Taco Bell taco.

00:35:27.540 As a Cuban, he's probably never eaten a taco in his damn life.

00:35:31.660 And then does the hard shell taco, which, you know, invented by the great fast food visionary

00:35:37.880 trailblazer, Glenn Bell.

00:35:39.520 Yes.

00:35:40.300 Taco Bell.

00:35:41.680 There's a great book.

00:35:42.520 I can't recommend highly enough by our friend Gustavo Arellano called Taco USA.

00:35:46.800 We ran a Peace and Reason cover story.

00:35:48.360 You've all read it?

00:35:49.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:50.220 The book on the history of Taco Bell?

00:35:52.280 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:52.860 Oh, okay.

00:35:54.060 It posits that the taco has replaced the hamburger as the quintessential American food

00:36:01.340 because it's actually not all that popular necessarily everywhere in Mexico itself.

00:36:06.300 It's become this sort of mongrelized thing.

00:36:07.860 As all great American foods are, it sort of takes a foreign thing and makes it its own.

00:36:12.420 And that's part of why it's great.

00:36:14.100 And all the people who are looking to, as they said in the setup, Megan, this piece, like

00:36:18.160 we're going to control the narrative about our people.

00:36:21.360 It's like, or you're in America and there isn't a single narrative about any single people

00:36:27.040 and it's not yours to control or not.

00:36:29.060 And to say what is the right taco and what is not.

00:36:31.840 But you know when someone's stepped afoul of the narrative, like, you cute little taco,

00:36:38.640 what a cute little taco you are. 1.00

00:36:40.320 Like that, I agree with them in standing up.

00:36:44.480 It's just a stupid line.

00:36:46.340 That's, I'm offended that her writers are so terrible.

00:36:48.840 And by the way, keep it, keep in mind, she was there to, I think, shore up the numbers.

00:36:53.000 As I said, his numbers, he went from a 55% approval rating amongst Hispanics to 26.

00:37:01.180 His approval rating with Hispanics right now is 26.

00:37:05.040 So what does he do?

00:37:05.900 He uses a term, no Latino people like Latinx and sends his wife down there to offend them. 0.90

00:37:12.200 Well, it's funny because the response from the journalist organization does actually weirdly

00:37:16.580 hit on something.

00:37:17.340 The reason his numbers are plummeting and the reason Democratic numbers,

00:37:21.440 Democrats numbers are plummeting amongst Hispanics is because they actually do think of Hispanics

00:37:27.040 or Latinx or Latinx or however you pronounce it as an undifferentiated mass.

00:37:31.800 And so when the journalists respond and say, well, you know, there's a whole, you know,

00:37:35.940 bunch of different Hispanic cultures, it's like, well, yeah, I mean, you're getting wrong at the,

00:37:40.120 you're getting mad at the wrong thing.

00:37:41.400 But the fact that, you know, Cubans and Nicaraguans and Venezuelans were all quite conservative,

00:37:46.400 you know, Mexicans, Hondurans, they're all very different. 1.00

00:37:49.440 There's no commonalities between them except for language.

00:37:52.540 And when you treat them like that, when you treat them as an undifferentiated mass,

00:37:56.100 as a voter block, you start losing them because they don't give a shit about Latinx or Latinx

00:38:00.780 and this nonsense.

00:38:01.820 They care about sort of normal bread and butter issues that Americans care about,

00:38:05.200 which is why his numbers are plummeting with everybody.

00:38:08.040 That's right.

00:38:08.360 Okay. Now, speaking of those numbers, let me give these to you for your reaction that

00:38:11.520 we talked about yesterday, but there were more bad poll numbers today.

00:38:14.440 The New York Times-Siena College poll showed 64% of Democrats, okay, of Democrats do not

00:38:19.060 want Biden to run again.

00:38:20.620 They want a different nominee.

00:38:22.060 If you're under 30 and you're Democrat, 94% want someone else.

00:38:26.180 Virtually every young Democrat in America wants a different Democrat to be on the ticket

00:38:29.760 next time around.

00:38:31.200 The approval rating is at a record low.

00:38:32.980 I think it's record 33% approved.

00:38:35.200 That's incredible.

00:38:36.720 I mean, that is just basement dregs kind of stuff.

00:38:39.580 More than two thirds of independents disapprove, nearly half of them strongly.

00:38:45.400 So he's going down.

00:38:46.620 That's what this is telling us.

00:38:47.580 He's going down in flames.

00:38:49.220 They have to sub out their nominee if they want to maintain the White House second term.

00:38:54.380 By the way, white voters, he tried to make inroads with them, try to get back some of

00:38:57.740 those sort of white, no college degree Democrats who went Trump.

00:39:02.820 How's he doing?

00:39:03.440 20% of them approve of the job he's doing, 20%.

00:39:06.060 And according to that New York Times poll, his base is black voters with whom he has a

00:39:10.800 62% approval rating.

00:39:12.300 But still, more black voters prefer he leave and to sub out somebody, sub in somebody new

00:39:18.020 than to see him run again.

00:39:19.620 So even his base doesn't want him on the ticket next time around.

00:39:24.460 It's a dumpster fire and it's a five alarm dumpster fire that they have to do something

00:39:28.520 about or they're going, he's going to lose.

00:39:31.160 They're going to lose the House, possibly the Senate.

00:39:33.440 And the White House come 2024, unless something massive happens.

00:39:37.200 And think about it.

00:39:37.680 He's unable to do what Bill Clinton did in 1994, which is, or even Barack Obama to a very

00:39:44.380 mild degree did in 2010, which is pivot.

00:39:47.720 Dude's too old to pivot, right?

00:39:49.620 And when he pivots, he falls off a bike.

00:39:51.500 It doesn't really work.

00:39:54.780 He doesn't have another political gear to go towards right now.

00:40:00.740 So it's over.

00:40:01.700 And he's like him, loudly insisting that he's going to run over and over again.

00:40:05.720 As I think there was a progressive caucus just today said, you know, we encourage the

00:40:10.620 creation of other options.

00:40:12.780 The only, I mean, he's got a story that he could tell Democrats, which is, I beat Trump.

00:40:17.720 I did the job you liked me to do, which is to win.

00:40:20.700 And we vanquished, you know, the Wicked Witch.

00:40:24.360 And he could step aside.

00:40:27.080 But the problem is he steps aside and we get word salad, vice president, to come on and talk

00:40:33.800 about the things that we believe in, not the things that are real.

00:40:36.060 Can we just play the soundbite?

00:40:37.800 This is the saving grace.

00:40:39.360 Here she comes. 1.00

00:40:39.980 Don't worry.

00:40:40.460 Fear not.

00:40:40.980 People who are worried about his mental acumen, you got a great second comer right behind him.

00:40:45.660 Here she is in all her glory on Friday talking about abortion. 0.98

00:40:50.400 I do believe that we should have rightly believed, but we certainly believe that certain issues are

00:40:58.040 just settled.

00:40:59.520 Certain issues are just settled.

00:41:01.120 Clearly we're not.

00:41:02.220 No, that's right.

00:41:02.860 And that's why I do believe that we are living, sadly, in real unsettled times.

00:41:09.440 Wow.

00:41:10.320 Amazing.

00:41:11.180 It's lyrical.

00:41:11.900 I believe the children are our future.

00:41:14.440 Yeah.

00:41:15.360 Let them lead the way.

00:41:16.980 In fairness, you get word salad from both of them.

00:41:19.260 It doesn't matter who you actually wheel out there.

00:41:22.900 It's her nodding, though, Camille.

00:41:24.260 Like she's stumbled on profundity as she's saying the word belief 75 times.

00:41:29.660 With respect to the polling, though, like it does sound like Biden is still beating Trump in the polls.

00:41:34.800 So he is at 44 to 41.

00:41:37.120 Grace might be that he matches up with Trump again and manages to to Mr.

00:41:41.380 Bagu his way through that campaign as well.

00:41:43.700 But I don't know how likely that is.

00:41:46.840 Yeah.

00:41:47.160 I don't see that.

00:41:48.440 Yeah.

00:41:48.680 Matt's point, I think, is a good one about the pivot and the, you know, just total inability to pivot.

00:41:55.580 And people kind of didn't appreciate this about Trump.

00:41:59.080 And I used to see this all the time when I would go to Trump rallies and cover them.

00:42:02.180 Is that a man who understood the room so brilliantly and so quickly and knew when a line worked and he would start repeating it in that actual arena.

00:42:12.720 And then it would become a line that he repeated throughout a campaign or throughout his presidency.

00:42:16.880 Biden is just kind of glassy eyed and doesn't know what is going on and can't can't actually pivot this stuff.

00:42:22.540 And the incredible thing about the numbers of black voters at 64 percent, which is wild. 0.53

00:42:27.760 I mean, that's, you know, I mean, usually expect 90 percent.

00:42:31.060 The number of his approval rating with a generic Democrat approval rating is 70 percent.

00:42:36.200 Black voters are below that, which is kind of a unique thing. 1.00

00:42:40.300 And I can't remember the time it has happened.

00:42:42.380 And then, of course, he does have to win over like non-college educated whites, which was the domain of Democratic Party. 0.86

00:42:50.580 And that is one of the great flips in American politics over the past 50 years is that it's become the domain of Republicans.

00:42:56.720 He's doing nothing to to get those people in.

00:42:59.840 And, you know, he's just he doesn't have the phrase.

00:43:01.560 He doesn't have build the wall or any.

00:43:03.600 All he has is MAGA.

00:43:05.640 Super MAGA.

00:43:06.640 Super MAGA.

00:43:07.580 Well, that that is pretty great.

00:43:09.540 End quote.

00:43:10.000 Repeat previous line, which is that resonates with a certain demographic.

00:43:14.640 I'm sure repeat line to the point one of you guys just made about a progressive caucus now pushing for a different nominee next time around.

00:43:26.240 There's this group RootsAction.org.

00:43:28.660 That's a left wing group that worked in 2020 to persuade progressives to support Joe Biden.

00:43:33.360 And now it's preparing to turn on him.

00:43:35.800 According to Politico, they're going to spend six figures on a hashtag.

00:43:40.720 Don't run Joe campaign.

00:43:43.280 She yes.

00:43:44.440 Prepared a statement that they shared with Politico that reads, unfortunately, President Biden has been neither bold nor inspiring.

00:43:50.480 And his prospects for winning reelection appear to be bleak with so much at stake.

00:43:54.820 Making him the Democratic Party standard bearer in 2024 would be a tragic mistake.

00:43:59.140 So he doesn't have to.

00:44:00.200 I mean, the Republicans would love to see him run again.

00:44:02.200 He's going to have to worry about things like this when it comes to getting back on the ticket.

00:44:05.800 The tragic mistake would be that if he tried to run with these numbers and then listen to these people and decided to become more left wing.

00:44:12.720 I mean, that's not what the American people want.

00:44:14.540 If you look at other polling numbers and also when you're in the grips of of, you know, a recession and like runaway inflation, spending more money from the government is going to make all of that worse.

00:44:25.220 One doesn't need to be an economist to figure this out.

00:44:27.000 This is kind of basic one on one economics.

00:44:28.700 So if the argument is you need to be more like AOC.

00:44:33.700 Well, I mean, you see you saw the White House.

00:44:36.380 I can't remember who the spokesman of the White House is saying, you know, the pro choice people, you know, they got very upset about this of saying, you know, they're doing this wrong.

00:44:44.960 And everyone freaked out and like, well, you know, they're saying that because Roe v.

00:44:49.780 Wade, that decision is people are kind of in the middle about a lot of it.

00:44:54.500 And if you were just to do the activist version of that, you don't make any friends.

00:44:59.240 And, you know, going to the kind of net roots or whatever these people, that's what they used to be called.

00:45:04.200 That that is not a recipe for success for Democrats.

00:45:06.740 And that New York Times poll yesterday showed that literally abortion is the most important issue for one percent of one percent.

00:45:14.680 Yeah, one percent.

00:45:16.480 Now, that's not to say it's not an important issue for more than one percent.

00:45:20.540 But like what's going to drive people at the polls in November on the midterms and beyond?

00:45:24.740 It's the economy.

00:45:25.940 That's what they all say.

00:45:27.240 It's the economy.

00:45:28.000 It's the economy.

00:45:28.760 It's the economy.

00:45:29.600 And he just gets up there and tries to I mean, like his press secretary is out there saying we've got the strongest economy.

00:45:35.480 Did she say that we've ever had we've got a stronger economy than we've had like, well, like when is that the relevant metric?

00:45:44.760 I you know, they're gaslighting.

00:45:46.540 That's that's really their only tool.

00:45:48.180 All right.

00:45:48.720 Standby is there's so much more.

00:45:49.780 I want to talk to you about Elon trying to pull the plug in his Twitter deal and whether or not that's going to work.

00:45:54.420 And a dust up he seems to be having with Trump.

00:45:57.640 So much more to get to with Matt, Michael and Camille right after this.

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00:46:46.860 Finally, they happened in September.

00:46:49.380 Here we are in July.

00:46:50.540 They've come to a conclusion, an official conclusion about those Border Patrol agents accused of whipping migrants down at the southern border when we were dealing with a crisis of an influx of some 15000.

00:47:03.840 Even the Reuters photographer who took the footage said at the time, that is not what I saw.

00:47:09.680 I don't know why people are saying that they saw them whipping migrants.

00:47:12.660 That's not what happened.

00:47:13.640 And and yet the left went with it just as a refresher.

00:47:16.700 Here's a soundbite mashup of how that incident was described.

00:47:21.140 It's soundbite number four at the time to see people treat it like they did.

00:47:26.620 Horses really running them over people being strapped.

00:47:29.780 It's outrageous.

00:47:30.980 I promise you, those people will pay.

00:47:33.200 I was outraged by it.

00:47:35.740 It was horrible.

00:47:37.920 Haitian lives are black lives. 1.00

00:47:40.200 And if we truly believe that black lives matter, the Biden administration must immediately halt all deportations of Haitian migrants.

00:47:49.960 I'm not just unhappy with the cowboys using their reins to whip them.

00:47:54.800 There will be consequences.

00:47:56.800 There will be consequences.

00:47:58.520 It's an embarrassment.

00:47:59.780 Human beings should not be treated that way.

00:48:01.520 And as we all know, it also evoked images of some of the worst moments of our history where that kind of behavior has been used against the indigenous people of our country, has been used against African-Americans during times of slavery.

00:48:18.380 It's dangerous.

00:48:19.200 It's wrong.

00:48:20.300 It sends the wrong message around the world.

00:48:22.660 It sends the wrong message at home.

00:48:24.540 It's simply not who we are.

00:48:27.620 Literally.

00:48:28.920 Literally not who we are.

00:48:30.220 It's literally not right.

00:48:33.240 It's unbelievable that basically the vice president of the United States compared them to slave owners.

00:48:38.520 These Border Patrol guys who are totally outmanned down there were doing the best they could.

00:48:43.140 And then you have the president of the United States.

00:48:44.860 Remember the days when the president didn't weigh in on cases before they'd been investigated and concluded?

00:48:50.980 Those days are gone.

00:48:52.400 But anyway, you have him coming out explicitly and saying it's outrageous.

00:48:56.260 I promise you they will pay.

00:48:57.600 There will be consequences and embarrassment beyond an embarrassment.

00:49:00.880 It's dangerous.

00:49:01.420 It's wrong.

00:49:01.820 It was horrible.

00:49:02.740 The fix was in.

00:49:04.440 And last Friday, a 511 page internal investigation within the Border Patrol, U.S. Customs and Border Patrol's Office of Personal Responsibility concludes.

00:49:14.920 Number one, they were falsely accused.

00:49:18.740 They did not whip anyone with the reins used on their horses.

00:49:24.340 That was fake news.

00:49:26.120 But they've still been for agents have been referred for discipline.

00:49:30.240 They now face punishment, ranging from a letter of reprimand to potential termination for the following two alleged misdeeds.

00:49:40.980 One is poor judgment.

00:49:44.040 Apparently, one or more of the guys allegedly instructed the noncitizens, quote, to go back to Mexico or words to that effect.

00:49:52.760 The second charge is that one of them, it looks like one, committed unsafe conduct by maneuvering that agent's horse in a way that caused a noncitizen to fall backward into the river, thereby compromising the safety of those involved.

00:50:10.080 OK, that's what this wound up being.

00:50:11.840 And Joe Biden gets to say they were bad and he exacted punishment.

00:50:17.560 And this whole whipping slavery narrative, where do you go to get your reputation back?

00:50:22.500 Not to this administration and not to this press.

00:50:25.140 This reminds me of the of the Ferguson case with Michael Brown at the press coverage and treatment and the memory holding into some degree.

00:50:34.680 If you recall, Michael Brown was shot by a police officer and that became that he had said, hands up, don't shoot, which he never said.

00:50:43.640 And the Justice Department, Camila, did at least one, maybe two big, two huge investigations.

00:50:49.980 Yeah, there were two separate reports.

00:50:51.200 Yeah.

00:50:51.320 And that were absolutely conclusive and convincing that the popular narrative about what went down there, which triggered a whole bunch of protests, some of which are, you know, I agreed with the purpose of the protest, not necessarily the underlying cause, talking about over-policing in certain communities or whatever.

00:51:09.580 But the basic narrative was wrong and there wasn't a whole lot of, oh, whoops, kind of self-examination there, just as there wasn't with the Covington kid who was posing out or standing in front of a Native American weirdo.

00:51:25.680 And not because he's Native American, because he's a weirdo out in Washington, D.C. 0.92

00:51:32.660 People went to this rush to judgment.

00:51:34.960 And then when all of the conclusive evidence weighs in, there's a lot of crickets.

00:51:38.660 And I recommend, in addition to watching that clip that you just played, Megan, go on Twitter, follow a guy named Drew Holden360, because he collects receipts for how media commentators, politicians, and blue check marks react in these moments.

00:51:53.860 And what they do is that they immediately presume that the underlying thing is true and then just spread it.

00:51:59.920 And then it's a competition to the highest possible dudgeon about this thing that they never proved.

00:52:04.500 And check back with those people over the next coming days and see which of them, if any of them, say, ah, you know what, I was a little bit too quick.

00:52:13.520 They won't do it.

00:52:14.100 And they never stop.

00:52:15.600 They never stop.

00:52:16.540 In real time, this story was fact-checked, as you pointed out, Megan.

00:52:20.080 And the Biden administration and its various allies in the media and in public policy who are in elected office, we're still having these press conferences.

00:52:31.100 We're still talking about slavery and whipping people, which it's one thing if it's an honest mistake, in which case you ought to wait for the facts to come in.

00:52:39.760 It is another thing entirely when you are making these assertions repeatedly.

00:52:43.460 And it's not just an absence of evidence.

00:52:46.200 There is evidence to the contrary, and you refuse to acknowledge it.

00:52:49.560 And we've actually seen this numerous times.

00:52:51.840 And when it was Trump, people were quick to say, suggested without evidence, or he suggested this, and it's a lie.

00:52:58.680 They would say so, clearly.

00:53:00.400 Now, when NPR runs a story about this report, the headline on the story is,

00:53:05.380 The agents on horseback who chase migrants use unnecessary force, a report finds.

00:53:09.940 That's the headline.

00:53:10.620 And not the fact that the whipping that everyone was so animated by didn't happen.

00:53:16.560 And this use of force appears to be precisely what you described, like using a horse to obstruct someone's passage.

00:53:24.900 But, of course, no one was actually sent back to Mexico, which is what the report also says.

00:53:30.300 And by the way, the whole process is built on when illegal migrants come across the border.

00:53:35.180 The whole process is, should you be sent back to Mexico?

00:53:37.640 That's the big question that they're going to have to wrestle with anyway.

00:53:41.140 Maybe it's not the most sensitive comment to make.

00:53:43.240 But give me a break.

00:53:44.320 I mean, this smacks a political hit job, which is what the head of the Border Patrol said.

00:53:49.320 It's not, you know, maybe it's not the right thing to say, but it is, in fact, their job to make people go back to Mexico and not come to the country illegally.

00:53:58.260 I mean, it's very strange that you, when somebody states what their job is, that that is an offense.

00:54:02.880 But, you know, as you pointed out, and I'm glad you did, Megan, because nobody is pointing this out, is that, as you said, the fix is in.

00:54:09.820 I mean, when the president of the United States says this demands an investigation and they will be punished, that is not an investigation.

00:54:19.000 You are saying what is happening at the beginning, that is not an investigation.

00:54:23.160 When I talk about government wasting money, how long does it take and how many people does it take and what are the resources to produce a 511-page report that was precipitated by bad media coverage?

00:54:35.100 Which, as you point out, Reuters said at the time, we were here, this is not what happened.

00:54:39.720 And then you have someone like the half-witted vice president saying that this evokes times of slavery.

00:54:47.260 Well, Madam Vice President, what is the major difference between times of slavery and this, beyond the fact that nobody was whipped?

00:54:53.960 Well, these are people desperate to get into the country.

00:54:56.640 Black people are trying to get into America versus people who were brought here against their will as chattel slaves. 0.99

00:55:02.500 This is, I mean, the main reason for this happening is people wanting to get to America, and they do so illegally. 0.60

00:55:08.360 And these people are trying to do their job.

00:55:11.040 And, of course, you know, they're handcuffed at every turn.

00:55:15.120 And, you know, the union that is representing Border Patrol is outraged by this.

00:55:20.740 And, you know, it's funny to me because it's not getting a lot of coverage because it's the only fucking union in America that people that, well, the police unions and the Border Patrol unions that people on the left don't care about.

00:55:31.420 They don't like those unions.

00:55:32.700 That's exactly right.

00:55:33.940 And this is, you know, Border Patrol, that's an executive branch agency.

00:55:37.520 I mean, that's I think it's under technically DHS.

00:55:39.660 But my point is their boss, their boss's boss's boss said they will be punished at the outset.

00:55:44.660 So it's like, oh, gee, I wonder what we're supposed to do here.

00:55:48.520 It does feel like a political hit job.

00:55:50.280 But if these guys, if one of these agents, they haven't publicly released the names, I don't believe.

00:55:53.900 But if one of these agents gets fired for improperly maneuvering his horse and they don't even allege any injury or for saying go back to Mexico, which is literally, as you point out, what we're employing him to make sure happens.

00:56:06.440 There's going to be there actually will be national outrage, at least on the right in the middle.

00:56:11.000 There will be.

00:56:11.460 That's that's deeply wrong.

00:56:13.340 And this, of course, comes in the context of record, record numbers coming across the southern border.

00:56:19.400 2021 was already a record at one point seven three million coming across the southern border or trying.

00:56:29.000 And we set another record in May and aren't and aren't track to continue doing so.

00:56:33.040 We don't have June's numbers for some reason yet.

00:56:35.100 In May, it was two hundred and thirty nine thousand plus arrests along the Mexican border, which is an increase from April, which is already a record.

00:56:44.360 And now they're on pace to exceed two million detentions.

00:56:47.140 That's the word between or during fiscal 2022.

00:56:51.180 Two million.

00:56:52.340 OK, up from the record one point seven three million last year.

00:56:55.360 It's like this is these guys are outmanned trying to do a really difficult job.

00:56:59.900 And this is what we do.

00:57:00.660 We publicly attack them, humiliate them, rush to judgment against them.

00:57:03.500 And then even when the evidence doesn't pan out, instead of saying we're sorry, we try to find one bullshit comment or mismaneuvering one's horse that we can hang the whole case on.

00:57:12.940 And I can recall from this thing happened on a weekend.

00:57:16.280 I record the reason podcast on 11 o'clock on Monday morning.

00:57:21.100 And so I referenced it at the time.

00:57:23.640 I didn't say whipping to said disturbing images.

00:57:25.840 Right. Because they were kind of disturbing to look at.

00:57:27.700 It's actually a great news photograph, by the way.

00:57:30.020 It's just like an action photograph.

00:57:31.900 But by that afternoon, by the time we released it, it was already like, oh, OK, enough doubt has crept in to this.

00:57:41.560 So it was in the first 24 hours that we had enough to know that you can't say X or that there's no evidence for X.

00:57:48.480 And that didn't stop anybody from the top, from the media, from the politicians, from from so on.

00:57:56.240 We have this culture of where there isn't a built in sanction for saying or spreading something that isn't true, including the most vile of all possible accusations that someone is acting in a violently racist way and abusing their power.

00:58:10.300 That is an accusation that is so freely available to people.

00:58:14.760 And there isn't a lot of pushback, legal or societal or cultural journalistic against people who do it.

00:58:21.600 And it's a it's a real problem that we face right now.

00:58:24.300 That's such a good point.

00:58:25.320 It's like you got Jill Biden out there apologizing for saying you're as unique as a breakfast taco.

00:58:30.160 But where's Joe Biden apologizing for, you know, this is this is this will be punished.

00:58:37.060 This is terrible.

00:58:38.160 It's an embarrassment.

00:58:38.940 It's outrageous.

00:58:39.500 And the vice president saying it's just like slavery.

00:58:42.980 Like, where is it?

00:58:43.840 Why aren't they apologizing?

00:58:46.700 You know, just this just this week, I think there was a story in The Washington Post about this account of a 10 year old girl who had reportedly been raped and told in Ohio that she could not have an abortion.

00:58:59.620 And was going to be forced to have this child.

00:59:02.060 And this Washington Post story is a fact check.

00:59:04.880 And it is all about how this story, which could only be sourced to one party and had only been reported in one paper and then was kind of regurgitated by everyone else, ended up being something that the president references during some official remarks about Roe versus Wade.

00:59:20.400 And it is interesting that the conclusion of this fact check is something along the lines of with news reports around the globe and now presidential and presidential support.

00:59:33.160 However, the story has acquired the status of fact, no matter its province.

00:59:37.840 If a rapist is ever charged, the facts finally would have more solid grounding.

00:59:42.720 That's the conclusion of this fact check.

00:59:46.260 Acquired the status?

00:59:47.460 It's absolutely crazy.

00:59:48.880 And of course, it's in quotes, facts is in quotes there.

00:59:51.740 But that's astonishing.

00:59:53.440 It isn't a fact.

00:59:54.700 This is unsubstantiated.

00:59:56.660 And when they tried to substantiate it, when this journalist tries to substantiate it, they can't figure it out.

01:00:02.460 No, it's it really does put the point to how little they fact check before they send the president out there to make comments on very sensitive issues, whether it's something in the national news that has tempers flaring or.

01:00:16.360 Well, I mean, both of these are instances of that with the alleged whipping and this alleged case of a 10 year old who needed an abortion, which may be a big lie.

01:00:25.640 We don't know, but it's certainly not reportable and it certainly shouldn't have wound up in a presidential address.

01:00:33.020 Yeah.

01:00:33.600 And follow up not into the Washington Post credit.

01:00:36.140 They were the first to note that there was only one source for the story.

01:00:39.340 Then Jesse Waters had somebody on.

01:00:41.380 It was a top law.

01:00:42.620 It was the attorney general of Ohio and asked him, has there been any report?

01:00:49.480 Because it was Ohio in which the 10 year old allegedly lived and couldn't get an abortion, who then had to allegedly cross state lines to Indiana. 1.00

01:00:56.460 And he and again, if this is a 10 year old is pregnant, they're alleging this is a rape victim. 0.99

01:01:01.560 And he said, has there been any sort of reporting about this?

01:01:05.520 And the AG said, we have regular contact with prosecutors and local police and sheriffs.

01:01:10.480 There's not a whisper anywhere about any of this.

01:01:14.340 Now, it doesn't that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

01:01:17.260 Again, sometimes the caregivers to a 10 year old, I don't know, might not go to the law enforcement.

01:01:22.740 I'd love to know why not.

01:01:24.600 There's a duty to report most circumstances.

01:01:27.920 But all the more reason to check it out, like your spidey senses should be going up, certainly as a reporter, never mind as a politician who doesn't want to get too far out.

01:01:36.940 And nobody did because it's bits the narrative.

01:01:39.100 It's a it's an almost perfect story, too, because you can say as this woman who was the one source who is apparently quite quite an activist, too, which I think that was making people's spidey senses tingle a little bit, too.

01:01:53.020 And again, like like you, Megan, I don't know if this story is true or not, but it's one that's very difficult to shoot down.

01:01:58.920 So why I mean, if you're going to make something up, this is a perfect one to do because, you know, you can't you know, there's HIPAA, you can't betray, you know, a 10 year old who's reporting something like this and which is understandable.

01:02:10.220 But in such a front political environment, I mean, we've mentioned how many cases here, you know, between all of us, Covington Catholic, Michael Brown, you know, this this the horse story, all of these things.

01:02:22.820 The reason that Jill Biden is going to apologize for something like that, because it's a learning experience that talks about how good you're trying to be good, you're trying to get better on these issues of race and you can get some credit for it.

01:02:35.500 These ones you don't apologize for because it fits the narrative that the point that everyone should always keep in their mind when they're looking at news coverage, seeing these stories that might not add up or something.

01:02:46.340 And it's not that people are necessarily coming out and lying about news stories.

01:02:52.580 They just aren't going to check these things out because narrative matters a lot more than truth to most people in this business.

01:02:58.760 And that is just a fact that I've seen in this business for years.

01:03:02.600 It depresses me.

01:03:04.140 And I think that, you know, on our podcast, we were pretty schizophrenic when when it comes and that may be offensive to schizophrenic people.

01:03:10.620 I apologize.

01:03:10.900 We're very schizophrenic about ideology because we don't really subscribe to I mean, we just kind of are always investigating what the media is saying about certain things.

01:03:19.420 And sometimes it's on the right, sometimes it's on the left.

01:03:21.020 But there's always this overwhelming instinct to feed a narrative and then later see if it's true, if it and you're not going to be the one to investigate, but if it isn't true, you just shut your mouth and you, you know, the damage has been done.

01:03:33.620 That's what you said and what Matt said just reminded me of something on the Michael Brown thing.

01:03:37.660 So I was on the air covering that when it happened and, you know, had been questioning the story and, you know, raising issues all along.

01:03:45.140 And there were in the end, there were five black witnesses who told Eric Holder's DOJ the guy did not have his hands up saying don't shoot.

01:03:54.420 He charged at the officer and that's when he got shot.

01:03:57.300 Michael Brown did.

01:03:58.480 Anyway, one of those remember the CNN panel that then they they put their hands up or they held little signs that read hands up.

01:04:06.600 Don't shoot.

01:04:07.600 One of them was Sonny Hostin, who is with CNN at the time and now is one of the hosts of The View.

01:04:14.480 And I listened to her a couple weeks ago say, I don't get facts wrong.

01:04:21.660 I don't enjoy.

01:04:22.800 Beharp chummed in going. 1.00

01:04:24.020 She's she's Sonny Hostin. 0.98

01:04:26.220 She doesn't get facts wrong.

01:04:28.120 And all I could think of was that stupid ass hands up, don't shoot. 1.00

01:04:34.540 I mean, please, we could go through all day her facts and her errors and her facts.

01:04:38.980 But that one's so egregious.

01:04:40.520 You know, I don't remember the big apology on that.

01:04:43.240 I really don't because it didn't happen.

01:04:44.900 And not just that, we're living through a presidency right now, a Democratic presidency, right after a whole bunch of mainstream elite journalistic outlets went through this kind of spasm of saying we need more moral clarity.

01:04:59.240 We need to call a lie by its name there.

01:05:02.600 And so now we have Joe Biden.

01:05:03.940 What's Joe Biden doing?

01:05:04.840 Joe Biden is saying, I'm going to the Middle East.

01:05:06.700 It's the first time we haven't had active combat troops in the Middle East and since 9-11.

01:05:10.800 Well, that's not true.

01:05:11.540 OK, he just said that thing.

01:05:13.940 It's not true.

01:05:14.640 He's saying that all of inflation is because of Vladimir Putin.

01:05:18.280 That's not true.

01:05:19.500 He says things that aren't true every day or at least every week.

01:05:24.040 But I'm guessing every day.

01:05:25.520 And it is not treated with anything like the same level of scrutiny and dudgeon and chyrons at the bottom of your screen unless you're watching cable news as Donald Trump.

01:05:36.580 Now, I think Donald Trump lies more than probably any politician I can think of in the last 25 years.

01:05:45.360 But that's also my memory starting to fog up with age.

01:05:48.660 And so he's a special case.

01:05:50.520 He treats things a little bit differently.

01:05:52.260 But as we had frequently said during the Trump administration, like, OK, we're glad the people are really on high alert to call out Donald Trump's lies.

01:06:01.840 We hope that they're accurate when they do that.

01:06:03.440 And they're very frequently not.

01:06:04.980 They're so ready to believe every single thing is a lie that their reporting standards stumble.

01:06:10.900 But the most important thing that we wished for, knowing that it would never happen, is that that same level of scrutiny would survive the change of team in the White House.

01:06:20.480 And it has not.

01:06:22.300 The next few years are going to be interesting.

01:06:24.600 The next few years will be interesting because they're turning on him.

01:06:26.860 They don't want him anymore.

01:06:28.220 They want younger, fresher blood.

01:06:30.580 They want Newsom or Buttigieg.

01:06:33.000 Which, OK, so it'll be that this will be interesting, especially with CNN saying that it's going to go back to, you know, straight news now.

01:06:41.560 It's going to take its foot off the partisan pedal.

01:06:44.340 Will they to cover their asses and to get rid of this guy they've turned on, try to act like they're now truly, you know, objective reporters?

01:06:52.820 Well, it's an it's an interesting thing.

01:06:53.940 And a quick point to what Matt was saying.

01:06:55.280 I mean, I made this prediction while Donald Trump is still in office.

01:06:58.340 It was a pretty obvious one.

01:06:59.420 I'm not Nostradamus or Rasputin here.

01:07:01.360 The phrase that you saw in every news story was without evidence.

01:07:06.420 Donald Trump said, comma, without evidence.

01:07:09.140 Right.

01:07:09.400 And that was like, this is our moral clarity, as Matt was talking about, is that what we discovered very quickly, and anyone who was paying attention knew this, is that the moral clarity was political clarity.

01:07:20.620 Nobody who said that this was actually a thing that we had to do in the service of truth can actually defend it now and say that we believe in the supreme truth.

01:07:30.040 The only thing that they were doing was making a political point, but they were, you know, couching it in this language of we care about truth.

01:07:37.360 Because all of that language is gone.

01:07:39.500 And I mean, I don't expect, even when they want somebody else, they will not do it with Biden.

01:07:44.000 They will do it in a slightly, you know, more kind of subtle or underhanded way to kind of push him aside.

01:07:48.700 But all of that stuff, democracy dies in darkness, et cetera, et cetera.

01:07:52.760 Trump to them was so uniquely, and I think that he was a uniquely dishonest person.

01:07:58.120 But at the same time, to be a politician is to be a uniquely dishonest person.

01:08:02.560 It kind of comes with the territory.

01:08:04.020 And as a journalist, one should be checking that stuff.

01:08:06.260 So they made such a kind of show of it in saying every, like, we never saw this before.

01:08:11.360 The chyrons on CNN, that lower thirds there, would always say, Donald Trump says this lie, this without evidence.

01:08:17.720 And as Matt points out, Biden does this all the time, and it's just disappeared.

01:08:22.260 Remember when they used to pull the pressers?

01:08:24.380 CNN, just in the middle of Donald Trump's pressers, used to just say, we're done.

01:08:28.600 We're cutting away.

01:08:29.960 The president of the United States, this is too full of lies.

01:08:32.340 It's like, why don't you either just fact check him at the end of it or, like, just shut up?

01:08:38.400 Like, either way, not putting the president on while he's having a presser on COVID is not for you to do.

01:08:45.840 Like, one thing when he's a candidate running against 10 other candidates, now he's the sitting U.S. president, and you're not going to let us hear from him?

01:08:52.500 I thought that was really wrong.

01:08:54.220 Well, it shows you what journalists think of the American people.

01:08:56.780 We have to ban words.

01:08:58.160 We have to ban books.

01:08:59.280 We have to ban, you know, speech, because if it hits the ears of certain American people, they will believe it.

01:09:05.420 You have to take Alex Jones off, who's a complete lunatic.

01:09:08.160 But you know what?

01:09:08.800 I mean, both you and I, Megan, have been to his studio and interviewed him.

01:09:13.020 It's like I sat down with him, and I challenged him, and it was a good, robust interview.

01:09:17.780 And no one said at the time, because that was actually 2016, no one said at the time, you were doing a great disservice to this nation.

01:09:24.480 When Donald Trump became president, you couldn't talk to these people, because if people heard from them, they might be convinced of their ideas.

01:09:32.520 Now, how much contempt do you have to have for the American people to believe something like that?

01:09:35.700 And that can't be the standard.

01:09:37.500 That can't be the standard, because when Joe Biden is making claims about inflation and doing the kind of typical spinning that you would expect to get from any number of politicians, do you then cut them off as well?

01:09:48.800 Do you insist that they don't have an opportunity to say anything?

01:09:51.860 If this person is going to lie publicly and say things that are provably false, it is your job as a journalist to demonstrate the degree to which that is true or not true.

01:10:00.880 And give the American people an opportunity to be able to make up their mind on the basis of the actual evidence, not to insist that they can't hear things because this is beyond the pale.

01:10:10.600 This is too false for anyone to hear.

01:10:13.020 You just can't do that.

01:10:13.820 Too false.

01:10:14.320 Yeah.

01:10:14.800 By the way, it reminds me of, Hannity once said to me, Donald Trump's problem is not that he doesn't, that he lies.

01:10:20.560 Donald Trump's problem is that he tells the truth.

01:10:23.200 Uh-huh.

01:10:23.820 Yes.

01:10:25.680 Are we the football, Sean?

01:10:27.080 Oh, Sean.

01:10:27.660 No, wait, that, gosh, that reminded me of something.

01:10:31.640 What was it?

01:10:32.040 Oh, yeah, the January 6th committee.

01:10:34.680 Okay, so they're having another meeting today.

01:10:37.180 And that's another, right now, actually, just started.

01:10:40.720 That is another group that wants to look us in the face and say, we are the standard bearers for truth.

01:10:46.000 We are about truth, justice, and the American way you can trust us.

01:10:49.040 Like, we just want to get to the bottom of how January 6th happened.

01:10:52.420 Trust us, not biased.

01:10:54.060 Yes, we're Democrats.

01:10:55.280 We've got a couple of Republicans.

01:10:56.200 We know they're anti-Trump, but truly, we're after facts.

01:11:00.000 Okay, this is a little convoluted, so stay with me because I'll bring you there.

01:11:03.420 But what they're doing with this Pat Cipollone testimony, the White House counsel under Trump, who they are on January 6th, puts the lie, like so many things do, to that claim.

01:11:13.440 So Pat Cipollone gave an informal interview to the committee prior to the testimony of their star witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, the other week.

01:11:21.520 And my understanding is they had that before she took the stand.

01:11:25.240 But then they rushed to get Pat Cipollone back under oath this past Friday, and they did.

01:11:30.080 So this guy testifies to them, not in front of the cameras, but to all of them, under oath.

01:11:35.880 And the rush was because they wanted, ostensibly, to get confirmation of what Cassidy Hutchinson had said about what Pat Cipollone had told her.

01:11:46.800 Namely, oh, my God, if he goes down to the Capitol, we are going to be hosting or facing a host of legal problems like you've never seen before.

01:11:56.440 And that he begged her to make sure that Donald Trump didn't go to the Capitol.

01:12:00.160 I remember making fun of it the next day because it was like, where are her notes?

01:12:03.820 Because you're 23, 24 years old and the White House counsel comes to you as the 23 year old.

01:12:08.260 You're like, don't let him go down to the Capitol.

01:12:10.400 You're like, it's my job.

01:12:11.520 Right. So Pat Cipollone is brought in to confirm Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony.

01:12:20.040 Did he or didn't he?

01:12:22.080 The New York Times does the write up.

01:12:25.780 And Andy McCarthy had a great piece talking about what gamesmanship is in this piece and for a reason.

01:12:31.220 So did Pat Cipollone corroborate Hutchinson's account?

01:12:33.940 The Times says the panel did not press Cipollone to either corroborate or contradict.

01:12:41.520 Cassidy Hutchinson said, what? 0.60

01:12:43.520 Well, why not?

01:12:44.700 Isn't the whole point of bringing him in what she said and then to ask her whether, in fact, Pat Cipollone did those things?

01:12:51.840 Well, they say no.

01:12:53.060 They've focused mainly on Mr. Cipollone's views on the events of January 6th and did not ask about his views of other witnesses accounts.

01:13:00.760 OK, so I get it.

01:13:02.760 So you could just say to Pat, did you say if he goes down to the Capitol, we're going to be facing more legal charges than we've ever seen before?

01:13:09.960 Or did you ask Cassidy Hutchinson not to let that like you could do it that way as opposed to saying she said this true or false?

01:13:16.540 OK, so I can I can give him that so far.

01:13:19.300 But then you find out that the committee had reportedly been told in advance that if he were to be asked whether he could corroborate what she said, i.e.

01:13:36.640 that we would get charged with every crime imaginable if they went to the U.S. Capitol, he told them in advance he would not confirm that particular statement.

01:13:44.160 All right. So basically, they had a heads up, according to these reports, that he wasn't going to go there and he was getting ready to disagree with her.

01:13:51.580 So rather than ask him the specifics that would have shown a divergence in their views, they just stuck to what happened on January 6th?

01:14:00.220 What did you do? What did you say? And they didn't go there.

01:14:03.880 Right. This is how they cover their asses. 0.76

01:14:05.620 And then they come out. Here's another piece of it, a little bit more color, an excerpt from The Times report.

01:14:10.420 Two people familiar with Mr. Cipollone's actions that day, Cipollone, say he did not recall making that comment to Cassidy Hutchinson.

01:14:17.820 Those people said the committee was made aware before the interview that Mr. Cipollone would not confirm that conversation were he to be asked.

01:14:25.400 He was not asked about that specific statement on Friday, according to the people with the questions.

01:14:30.560 This group is so biased. They didn't ask him because they knew he would contradict her.

01:14:36.360 And they wanted Zoe Lofgren to be able to go on CNN and say he didn't contradict anybody.

01:14:42.140 Nothing. He said he did not contradict Cassidy Hutchinson. It's a lie.

01:14:46.300 They're they're biased. They're there. These people should not be treated as objective fact finders.

01:14:51.240 And I'd really you can watch this for entertainment and pull and call whatever you may find mildly interesting.

01:14:56.400 But you must remember, none of it's been cross examined. None of it's been challenged.

01:15:00.220 This is not an adversarial proceeding. And the fix is in there, too, with the so-called finders of fact.

01:15:07.140 It's it's a very difficult situation because I think the investigating January 6th is important and worthwhile.

01:15:13.920 I think that President Trump's behavior around the election is his narrative about a stolen election is fraudulent and awful.

01:15:24.520 It is one of the most despicable things that an outgoing president has done in my lifetime and perhaps before that.

01:15:34.780 And then the January 6th committee, in terms of the way that it's conducting this investigation, is simply not covering themselves in glory.

01:15:41.480 And so many of these things seem like obvious cell phones.

01:15:45.360 I know, Megan, you know, a little bit about how these things work.

01:15:49.200 I'm trying to imagine a judicial proceeding that has all of the interrogation of witnesses or the interviews with witnesses happening behind closed doors.

01:15:59.740 And then the presentation of the facts for, in this particular case, the public, the jury, is only these manicured or select interviews in public or manicured presentations of clips from those conversations.

01:16:14.980 It is really a rather bizarre and obviously theatrical exercise, and it can't be construed with an actual presentation of the evidence, an actual, as you mentioned, adversarial process wherein someone gets to interrogate what's being said here.

01:16:32.420 And I think the material things that people ought to know, the real conversations that we should be having about the state of the polity, about what happened, about what's led to the profound distrust that so many Americans have in the electoral process, we're not having those conversations at all.

01:16:48.120 And instead, we get this political theater.

01:16:50.580 And really, very similar in terms of the last conversation we were just having, the way that the press responds to this in many instances is also very, very disconcerting.

01:17:00.600 Yeah. No, the headline is, oh, Pat Cipollone doesn't contradict Cassidy Hutchinson.

01:17:05.540 It's like, that's not correct.

01:17:07.040 Which is a statement from someone who is on the committee.

01:17:10.720 Right.

01:17:11.500 Which, by the way, is-

01:17:12.440 And today, they're going to be releasing little snippets of Pat Cipollone and the testimony that we didn't get to actually witness live in full on Friday that, of course, once again, went uncross-examined by anybody.

01:17:23.960 Which is, you know, technically true, because if they don't ask him about it, he didn't contradict it, right?

01:17:28.740 But, so, I mean, that's to your point, how it's constructed.

01:17:33.160 And, you know, I agree.

01:17:34.960 Which part of it?

01:17:36.360 Yeah, the Watergate story is like, he would have confirmed if only they'd asked him.

01:17:39.980 They forgot that.

01:17:40.640 Then nobody asked him.

01:17:42.020 Hold on a minute.

01:17:42.640 Sorry, go ahead.

01:17:43.000 I mean, this is, I mean, the Watergate committee is actually, if you go back and look at after Jaworski's fired and look all those, watch all that stuff, it's like pretty fascinating because you actually have Republicans turning on Nixon.

01:17:55.860 And, of course, famously, Barry Goldwater walks over to the White House and says it's time to go because they actually had a process.

01:18:01.420 And, look, I get that Republicans should share a huge amount of responsibility for this for not participating, but, of course, that's a complicated issue, too.

01:18:09.820 But what we're seeing here, and I think that there's some useful stuff that comes out of this, but it's in the same way that if you're a historian and you look at a series of documents that come from one side of an issue or another historian who's biased in a particular way, you can find interesting things, but you have to kind of cross-check it and make sure that it's real.

01:18:27.620 And what you have now is essentially a real-time documentary because what documentaries do, I mean, people tend to think documentaries, well, that's the truth.

01:18:35.040 Well, no, think of Michael Moore and think of people who are ideological and have a direction they want to take with Al Gore.

01:18:42.700 We're supposed to be dead already according to Al Gore.

01:18:45.380 Yeah, I think it was a thing about mules.

01:18:48.960 I got thoughts on that, though.

01:18:51.000 We took a hard look at that.

01:18:52.140 That's not all bullshit.

01:18:53.100 That's not to say that it proves a stolen election, but it did raise some interesting questions about videos on these Dropbox situations.

01:18:59.740 But anyway, I get you.

01:19:00.860 I'm skeptical of Dinesh.

01:19:02.480 I've interviewed him.

01:19:04.640 That's a different show.

01:19:06.320 But, you know, the thing about this is, I mean, you're making a documentary in real time means that you interview people.

01:19:11.900 And what happens when you interview people for a documentary?

01:19:14.020 I mean, I usually do this and they take about two hours.

01:19:16.580 The people get maybe 60 seconds, if that, sometimes 20 seconds.

01:19:19.780 And you actually have somebody who's a television producer producing this.

01:19:24.320 I mean, it's more of a documentary than it's not even just kind of an analogous situation.

01:19:29.200 It actually is that situation when you have a television producer doing this and they're plugging things in for political purposes.

01:19:34.820 Now, I get the fact that these things are always going to be a political show trial in some ways.

01:19:41.600 And I mean, show trial is the wrong thing because that sounds, you know, too negative.

01:19:44.780 But yeah, well, yeah, it's not Stalinist.

01:19:48.040 But if you look at, you know, what happened in in 73, 74 with Watergate, obviously Democrats have a very specific goal here.

01:19:57.080 But, you know, they get the truth at the same time.

01:19:59.460 When you see this documentary production and my concern is not that we're not going to get anything truthful or anything interesting because we are getting those things.

01:20:07.500 It's the fact that the no interrogation allows people in the media to present a very specific narrative that came out of this august institution in Congress and they're investigating this stuff.

01:20:19.760 It's like, yeah, but most people don't know that there is nobody actually saying because I saw you, Megan, with Cassidy's testimony had a had a pretty viral clip of going through all the things.

01:20:32.120 And because I was thinking the same thing listening to it, I was like, some of this doesn't make a ton of sense, but it shouldn't take you to do that.

01:20:38.540 And it shouldn't take every someone looking on Twitter and seeing this because most people don't consume news that way.

01:20:43.980 Most people in my life don't.

01:20:45.400 And they hear this stuff as a headline.

01:20:46.540 They say, oh, you know, Trump throttled a guy.

01:20:48.580 And then I tried to drive the SUV himself to the Capitol.

01:20:51.620 And it's like, well, I don't know about that.

01:20:53.980 It might be some complicating things there.

01:20:55.940 So that was the best part of all.

01:20:57.540 All right.

01:20:57.700 We let me stand you guys by because we have one more segment.

01:20:59.760 And there's so much more that I want to get to.

01:21:01.300 I've been teasing Elon Musk and I really do want to go there.

01:21:04.080 Could he possibly be going to jail?

01:21:05.540 I'll tell you what I think.

01:21:06.780 And then much more to get to with the guys from the fifth column right after this quick, quick break.

01:21:14.960 So Elon Musk is now not buying Twitter, though it could still change.

01:21:20.120 It could all be like the attempt to renegotiate a better price on the deal because the stock market and Twitter stock has fallen precipitously.

01:21:28.640 Since he agreed, since he made his offer and they accepted it, he says it's because they failed to provide accurate information about the number of bots on Twitter.

01:21:40.080 See, I, too, I am upset about the bots at Air France and he is upset about the bots.

01:21:46.860 Case closed.

01:21:48.240 Case closed.

01:21:50.060 Hanako.

01:21:51.600 Lewis.

01:21:52.900 Anyway, so he Twitter's board has said it's going to sue him.

01:21:57.300 They've already lawyered up.

01:21:58.380 They want this deal to close at the original fifty four point twenty per share sale price.

01:22:04.360 I think their share right now is that yesterday closed at thirty two bucks and sixty five cents.

01:22:09.240 So it's like way down.

01:22:10.940 My God, that's more than twenty dollars down.

01:22:13.020 That hurts.

01:22:13.940 So you can see why he wants to get out of it.

01:22:15.880 He says because of the bots.

01:22:17.340 But really, the only issue is legally will that hold up?

01:22:21.540 Twitter says he made them a promise of, quote, specific performance, which in the law means you you promised not not just that you'd pay us the billion dollar fee if this falls apart.

01:22:31.380 You promised that if you pulled this deal for a bullshit reason, we could take you to court and make you actually buy us specific performance.

01:22:39.600 You you we we can make you buy us.

01:22:42.960 And the only way you can just get out of it for that billion dollar penalty is if financing falls through.

01:22:48.760 So one wonders whether Elon Musk is fiercely calling all of his financiers being like, oh, no, it doesn't look so good.

01:22:55.460 Right.

01:22:55.700 You're probably thinking about pulling the deal, which wouldn't be proper.

01:22:58.240 But anyway, so they're about to go into a massive lawsuit.

01:23:01.540 And that is what led CNBC's David Faber to say the following.

01:23:08.600 Then the question is, well, OK, you're forcing Mr.

01:23:11.460 Musk to buy the company.

01:23:12.440 Does he actually agree to do it?

01:23:13.680 There's this argument that being said lately that, well, maybe he won't comply with that.

01:23:18.380 Right.

01:23:18.580 Well, then we'd have a situation where they can put him in jail.

01:23:22.220 That's not going to happen.

01:23:24.380 I'm not.

01:23:25.260 I did some M&A when I was a litigator, but he's not going to jail there.

01:23:30.020 They're they're they're going to settle this one way or the other.

01:23:32.660 And it could still wind up with Elon buying Twitter, but at a lower price.

01:23:35.680 It's not going to be fifty four.

01:23:37.000 I don't see him in any world buying this for fifty four dollars a share.

01:23:40.420 But what do you guys make of it?

01:23:42.100 I mean, at this point, I wonder if he even wants Twitter at all at any price.

01:23:46.860 Doesn't really seem that way.

01:23:48.060 I mean, he's he's gotten to prove his point in some respects in that he has been berating

01:23:52.740 Twitter publicly all throughout this this potential transaction and continues to do so.

01:23:59.660 And it sounds as if if they do have some sort of judicial proceeding, they're very likely

01:24:05.540 going to have to disclose things that are likely to be really embarrassing for the company

01:24:09.540 and will probably hurt them pretty substantially.

01:24:11.440 If these bot numbers are are nearly as bad as I suspect they actually are, as opposed to what

01:24:16.940 they've been disclosing, what they've been reporting, then it's going to have a huge impact

01:24:22.680 on their underlying business, which is already severely overvalued, even at the depressed

01:24:27.100 stock price is incredibly overvalued.

01:24:29.820 He tweeted out a meme.

01:24:31.580 The first one, the first picture is him smiling.

01:24:34.040 And it reads, they said I couldn't buy Twitter.

01:24:35.760 The next is then they wouldn't disclose bot info.

01:24:38.360 Then the next one is now they want to force me to buy Twitter in court.

01:24:42.680 And the last one with him hysterical laughing is now they have to disclose bot info in court.

01:24:47.260 So he's going to get his bot info.

01:24:49.460 And even if it's not in the form of papers, he's going to get to take the depositions

01:24:53.120 of all of the Twitter executives and unearth all of the dirty laundry, the shadow banning,

01:24:59.820 the bot info, all of that.

01:25:01.980 And Twitter.

01:25:02.840 So Twitter's got skin in this game, too.

01:25:04.200 Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty interesting play because I don't, like Camille, I don't think

01:25:10.060 he wants this at this point.

01:25:11.840 And, you know, the initial enthusiasm that he showed has waned, if not completely dissipated.

01:25:17.300 But, you know, I mean, obviously there's two issues here.

01:25:19.440 I mean, agreeing to buy this at such a healthy share price, which was overvalued at the beginning

01:25:25.920 before the price crashed, was a way of kind of getting around the fact that nobody wanted

01:25:31.580 him, right?

01:25:32.380 So it made the it made the actual Twitter board say, no, no, we're going to take this

01:25:35.740 deal because it's we're going to make a lot of money.

01:25:37.440 And this is actually a good deal.

01:25:38.700 Because the thing is, and to reiterate Camille's point, it's a bad business.

01:25:43.280 It's not a smart business in any way.

01:25:45.380 I mean, we expect so many of these things that we have used in time, like Facebook is

01:25:50.840 kind of faded out.

01:25:52.360 Snapchat is faded out.

01:25:53.500 These things come and they go.

01:25:55.460 Twitter has a little bit more staying power because of the political class and the media class

01:25:59.600 that use it so much and, you know, Donald Trump and this stuff of like, you know, adjudicating

01:26:04.260 free speech issues via via Twitter and who can be on the platform.

01:26:09.320 And, you know, before this, Musk wasn't a very political guy.

01:26:13.540 And now you see him like endorsing DeSantis and you see him saying about Trump, who had

01:26:18.960 a pretty funny quote.

01:26:20.160 He's like, you know, another bullshit artist, which is like, you know, it takes one to know

01:26:24.320 one.

01:26:24.520 And that thing is like, Musk's response is like, yeah, you know, I don't hate him.

01:26:31.180 Like, I don't have anything against Donald Trump, which is not something that most people

01:26:34.260 in positions like Elon Musk are ever willing to say, even to say something that's even

01:26:39.280 partially sympathetic to Donald Trump.

01:26:41.560 So it's kind of been an interesting time because however it ends, and there's no way

01:26:45.160 of knowing this, it has recast Elon Musk in all of these people who I know, and I was

01:26:51.500 at a dinner party probably a month ago in which somebody erupted in their hatred of Elon Musk.

01:26:57.020 And there was a chorus of people that agreed.

01:26:59.720 And I was kind of sheepishly at the end of the table going, don't make me do this.

01:27:03.360 Don't.

01:27:03.500 And of course, I did it.

01:27:04.380 And I just like put my knives down and I was like, look, you morons.

01:27:07.300 And that was the thing, because we actually had a listener who sent us a great email about

01:27:12.620 why Elon Musk is a great liberal hero, you know, from, you know, fighting climate change

01:27:18.600 with Tesla, you know, going to space, all of these amazing things that he's done.

01:27:23.200 And he's become this villain just because of his political opinions and because when he

01:27:28.920 said, I'll buy Twitter, I will allow like almost unfettered free speech.

01:27:33.400 And, you know, he proved his point.

01:27:35.100 So if he has all the money in the world, either way, I think he's a winner at the end of this.

01:27:39.560 The rest of us are still stuck with these biased losers who'd moderate the Twitter

01:27:43.740 discussion.

01:27:44.300 So we're we're losers.

01:27:45.620 He may be and go to dinner parties with me.

01:27:47.700 Yes.

01:27:48.300 Right.

01:27:48.760 I keep going, Matt.

01:27:49.540 Sorry.

01:27:50.580 Just that one thing that he did demonstrate in addition to this is that and I think he's

01:27:56.240 the only one who's really done this is that after Trump, there still is a possibility

01:28:02.100 to colonize everybody's brain pans for about two months.

01:28:05.900 It was amazing how much everyone needed to have an opinion about Elon Musk during the

01:28:10.920 spring.

01:28:11.820 Didn't really see that one coming.

01:28:14.140 I don't think Trump could do it again.

01:28:15.580 Honestly, even if he runs for president, which I doubt he just did.

01:28:20.480 You know, he's lacking the new factor.

01:28:22.980 Right.

01:28:23.240 Like for someone to come to waltz in and suddenly sees everybody with panic, Max Boot has to

01:28:29.520 wear adult diapers to like try to deal with the idea of Elon Musk owning Twitter and what

01:28:36.080 that means for incipient fascism in America.

01:28:38.460 I mean, people have their brains broken half thinking about that's why it was so great.

01:28:43.240 The accusation on MSNBC of his horrendous, obvious, you know, love for apartheid, the

01:28:52.460 kind of crazy accusation.

01:28:54.460 Yeah.

01:28:54.740 The New York Times gave him that.

01:28:55.760 Wasn't it Joy Reid that said that he's a man who is nostalgic about apartheid just because

01:29:03.140 he was from South Africa and as I pointed out on our show.

01:29:06.300 Because he was like four when he lived over there and wasn't able to stop it.

01:29:08.620 Well, when he left, he actually gave an interview at the time and he said, I'm leaving because

01:29:12.920 I don't want to be drafted into this army of conscripted into this army that I find to

01:29:17.840 be a racist organization. 0.65

01:29:18.940 He literally said that.

01:29:20.700 And then MSNBC goes and calls him a complicit nostalgic.

01:29:25.180 All right.

01:29:25.380 Listen, we got to end with this because you think Max Boot's not the only one who's going

01:29:29.940 to be wearing adult diapers.

01:29:31.660 Now, I know you live in New York.

01:29:34.700 Who else?

01:29:35.060 Which who else lives in New York?

01:29:36.080 I just left New York.

01:29:37.260 Well, I'd love to.

01:29:39.280 Yeah.

01:29:39.580 Let me tell you something around.

01:29:41.000 Roger Ailes, when I first worked at Fox News, this is 2004, so it was not long after 9-11.

01:29:45.460 We all had red fanny packs that read Fox News on them.

01:29:48.480 And inside it was our survival kit.

01:29:50.940 If a dirty bomb or a nuclear bomb were to hit New York City, there were protective glasses.

01:29:56.660 They're all in Roger Ailes once had a staff meeting where he said, all right, you know,

01:29:59.840 whatever this happens, you can use the goggles.

01:30:02.480 This happens.

01:30:03.440 You can use the face mask.

01:30:05.020 This happens.

01:30:05.640 And he said, nuclear bomb comes.

01:30:07.480 You can take those two aspirin and kiss your ass goodbye.

01:30:10.820 That was our fanny pack.

01:30:12.260 And he was 100 percent right.

01:30:14.660 He needs to tell it to the New York City.

01:30:16.880 No, no, that's not even the protocol, Camille.

01:30:19.020 That's why I'm here for you.

01:30:20.500 The New York City officials just released how to survive a nuclear bomb to Manhattan residents,

01:30:27.840 not just Manhattan, the five boroughs.

01:30:29.300 Here's a little bit of how to do it, just in case you weren't aware.

01:30:32.700 Watch.

01:30:34.860 So there's been a nuclear attack.

01:30:37.160 Don't ask me how or why.

01:30:38.840 Just know that the big one has hit.

01:30:40.940 OK, step one, get inside fast.

01:30:44.860 You, your friends, your family, get inside.

01:30:48.780 Step two, stay inside.

01:30:51.780 Shut all doors and windows.

01:30:53.880 Have a basement?

01:30:55.160 Head there.

01:30:56.400 Step three, stay tuned.

01:30:59.220 Follow media for more information.

01:31:01.180 Oh, what?

01:31:01.700 Don't forget to sign up for Notify NYC for official alerts and updates.

01:31:06.140 That'll do it.

01:31:06.820 That'll do it.

01:31:07.240 And don't go outside until officials say it's safe.

01:31:10.600 Yeah.

01:31:10.900 I don't trust it.

01:31:11.600 All right.

01:31:13.760 21.50.

01:31:15.060 Go outside again.

01:31:16.280 Got it.

01:31:17.120 Amazing.

01:31:17.920 It probably cost them half a million dollars to say stay inside.

01:31:23.620 Repeatedly.

01:31:24.180 Don't ask me what happened because I don't know.

01:31:26.540 But just get inside.

01:31:28.120 I live in New York.

01:31:29.120 I'm more worried about going to the fucking bodega than I am a Russian nuclear attack. 0.73

01:31:33.520 Tell me how to survive getting milk or the dobega or whatever it's called.

01:31:39.920 Pagoda.

01:31:40.400 I don't want to hear another word from another official in the city of New York ever again

01:31:48.500 about how they don't have enough money.

01:31:51.040 We just, you know, we've cut down to the bone.

01:31:54.820 We can only spend $500,000 on absolutely useless.

01:31:59.100 I mean, on the bright side, maybe they're focusing on this instead of COVID now.

01:32:03.040 A city official went on 1010 wins.

01:32:05.740 And the question was, what are you doing?

01:32:09.040 What's happening?

01:32:10.260 Like, I realize tensions are rising with Russia and, you know, saber rattling from Putin like

01:32:14.980 months ago.

01:32:15.820 But what's this about?

01:32:16.640 And she said, well, the likelihood is extremely low, but it's very important.

01:32:21.460 And we do a lot of preparedness events.

01:32:24.140 And we really think it's important that this is an event the people of New York feel prepared

01:32:32.080 for because this is the one they feel the least prepared for.

01:32:34.740 That's because it's a nuclear bomb.

01:32:37.780 Yeah, it's also debatable.

01:32:40.060 I mean, I think alien invasion, rogue asteroid impact.

01:32:43.760 These are other possibilities.

01:32:45.700 You know, it's out there.

01:32:47.000 But we should at least be talking about that.

01:32:48.440 I'm not prepared for that.

01:32:49.760 Can I point out that they didn't prepare me?

01:32:52.680 They just told me to go inside?

01:32:54.260 No shit.

01:32:55.420 The bomb went off.

01:32:56.580 What are you thinking?

01:32:57.040 I was fucking staying in the street taking pictures?

01:32:59.280 No, I'm going to go inside.

01:33:00.440 Do you have a basement?

01:33:01.200 No, I live in a four-floor walk-up.

01:33:02.660 What am I supposed to do then?

01:33:04.100 You actually made me more paranoid.

01:33:06.160 Getting into a basement, I don't have the key to that.

01:33:08.220 Yes.

01:33:08.860 Lord.

01:33:10.140 Waste of money and time.

01:33:11.460 I hate all of you.

01:33:13.340 That's so true.

01:33:14.140 There's no basement anywhere.

01:33:15.760 Who has a basement?

01:33:17.980 The wealthy.

01:33:19.480 The wealthy.

01:33:20.080 Westchester wasn't bombed.

01:33:21.580 Then they say you're supposed to go to the middle of the room.

01:33:24.320 You go to the middle of the room, Michael.

01:33:25.840 Good luck.

01:33:27.140 Don't say I never did anything for you.

01:33:29.020 You guys are the greatest.

01:33:30.080 Just so great having you on.

01:33:31.300 Thank you again.

01:33:31.860 Thanks, Megan.

01:33:32.420 Thank you, Mellon.

01:33:33.440 All right.

01:33:33.880 And don't forget, go find them on Substack.

01:33:35.500 And wherever you get your podcasts, they're well, well worth a listen.

01:33:38.760 So what will Elon Musk wind up doing?

01:33:41.160 We're going to ask one of his close pals, David Sachs, who's back with us tomorrow.

01:33:44.500 Don't miss the show.

01:33:45.200 We'll see you then.

01:33:47.720 Thanks for listening to The Megan Kelly Show.

01:33:49.560 No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

01:34:00.080 We'll see you then.

The Megyn Kelly Show - July 12, 2022

Dr. Jill's Taco Gaffe, and Narrative vs. Truth, with Kmele Foster, Michael Moynihan, and Matt Welch ｜ Ep. 355

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