00:05:08.040Each of the centers has developed their own fiefdom with their own communications department and lawyers and lobbyists for Congress and IT departments.
00:06:11.740We need, you know, as somebody who is a highly subspecialized pancreatic specialist,
00:06:19.440we need people who think broadly and think functionally and think about the fact that 90% of type 2 diabetes is curable by changing what you eat.
00:06:28.780changing what you eat can actually take care of a certain type of rash that somebody develops,
00:06:36.060almost as good as some of these expensive biologics in certain circumstances. So we need
00:06:42.000people who think differently. We need fresh new ideas. We need the old guard to ensure that we
00:06:48.300hold to rigorous scientific methodology, and we need fresh new ideas at the same time. So we're
00:06:53.180trying to bring all of that together now. And people have forgotten that the FDA stands for
00:06:59.060food. And so that is a major focus with Secretary Kennedy in this administration.
00:07:03.720Right. We're always so focused on the D, especially on the heels of COVID. And we think of the FDA,
00:07:08.340most of us, especially on the right, poorly, because we feel like we were railroaded and
00:07:12.340doing things we didn't want to do. And especially, you know, before COVID, there was the opioid
00:07:16.940crisis and the FDA's role in that. So it has a bad rap, I think, generally, with many in the
00:07:23.080country. So how do you turn that around? Well, I mean, we're still reeling back from some of the
00:07:27.920disastrous health care corruption that the government was involved in. The food pyramid,
00:07:33.060one of the greatest pieces of misinformation put out there that has informed school lunch programs,
00:07:38.660that has informed what people define as healthy. And so we now have a group that's re-evaluating
00:07:45.720the nutrition guidance. We have a Maha Commission that is going to be putting out a massive report
00:07:51.740that doesn't just talk about calories in, calories out.
00:07:54.720It talks about food ingredients and chemicals that don't appear in nature
00:07:58.680that are going down the GI tracts of our nation's children every day, nonstop.
00:08:03.500And it may not be one ingredient that is driving some of these chronic diseases.
00:08:08.440It may not be one ingredient involved in attention deficit disorder.
00:08:12.560It may be the cumulative burden of all of it.
00:08:15.080So we are now taking a much wider view.
00:10:48.140And if we have good post-approval monitoring of drugs and devices, then we can also tell companies,
00:10:57.220hey, instead of doing two randomized control trials to get your drug on the market, how about one?
00:11:02.760And we'll take a close look in the post-approval monitoring how the drug is doing in real time immediately after it's approved.
00:11:09.000And that's particularly important when you're talking about rare diseases, when you talk about a genetic issue that affects 52 kids in the world.
00:12:44.340One of the questions I had when you were going over like VAERS, which is the vaccine website
00:12:49.560where you go to upload your negative consequences, people know it from COVID, is aren't those
00:12:54.980things only as good as the people who monitor them?
00:12:57.420Because you and I have talked before, we talked throughout COVID with doctors like Bnei Prasad, who's a big fan of yours,
00:13:03.740about the myocarditis that we were seeing, especially in young teenage boys, as a result of the vaccine, especially the second shot, and then the boosters.
00:13:13.320And those things were being uploaded to VAERS, but we weren't getting red alert warnings from the FDA.
00:13:19.920And so this is one of the reasons people don't trust the FDA.
00:13:22.300Like, there's an agenda. They don't want to tell us about this negative side effect because they're much more concerned with forcing us to take the shot.
00:13:29.900There's been, look, let's be honest, there's been an epidemic of distrust, and part of it is warranted.
00:13:35.840And when you don't want to look at complications, the complication rate looks lower than it really is, and it makes products look safer than they really are.
00:13:45.500And so in the case of VAERS, you have something that could suggest it's a screening tool.
00:13:55.060It could suggest that there's an issue, but you have to do a rigorous evaluation.
00:13:59.440If you don't follow up with a rigorous evaluation, that screening tool is not very useful.
00:14:14.300We're going to do intense, comprehensive research, and that's why if we have massive electronic health record data, which we now have through something called the Health Information Exchange, we can have researchers go into there and look at real-world complication rates.
00:14:30.320So we're not relying on self-reported data from which you can make no inferences about rates.
00:14:35.940That's just a basic scientific methodologic principle.
00:14:38.340when you have a couple people saying, hey, I had this or I had this, you can't infer what the rate
00:14:43.860is, that is the frequency per unit time. But when you have comprehensive data, which we only have
00:14:50.020now because of cloud storage ability, we couldn't do this 10 years ago. We have now tremendous big
00:14:56.160data where we can go in there and look at, here's 100,000 people who took this product. Let's follow
00:15:02.680them in the data, de-identified to protect privacy, and look at how many people came back to the
00:15:08.760hospital. Not just came back to the hospital with myocarditis coded, but who came into a clinic and
00:15:14.860said, my chest hurts. Once you have good methodologic capture of outcomes, now you're
00:15:20.720looking at real rates. Will that happen? Because since Kennedy took over, and FDA is under Kennedy
00:15:26.980at HHS, people should know. When he took over, a guy named Peter Marks, who was here, it's FDA's
00:15:34.560former top vaccine regulator, well, he was forced out, reportedly, that you approved it, and then
00:15:39.180Kennedy said, okay, good, I'm fine, get rid of him. And in his resignation letters, his forced
00:15:44.720resignation, reportedly, he said, it's become clear that truth and transparency are not desired
00:15:49.260by the secretary, but rather he wishes subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies.
00:15:54.900He accused Secretary Kennedy of undermining confidence in well-established vaccines.
00:15:58.500And then he accused Secretary Kennedy of wanting to access and directly edit VAERS,
00:16:05.240which the FDA oversees, saying, we don't trust them.
00:17:57.220And as I recall, they were objecting to certain things that seemed arbitrary, like mandates for children, vaccines for six-year-olds, that kind of thing.
00:24:02.140And so this is an agency that belongs to the American people.
00:24:06.900And so we can work with pharma and at the same time ensure that scientific evaluation process is totally independent.
00:24:14.700And on those advisory committees, the pharma and device members of those advisory committees will say that they're non-voting members.
00:24:23.100But that is a sort of a close club of individuals that has a running dialogue and they meet and they become friendly.
00:24:31.760And it's okay to be friendly, but we need the scientific evaluation, the voting, to be totally independent.
00:24:39.480And so people ask, are you anti-pharma or pro-pharma?
00:24:43.940And the reality is we're pro-pharma, but our evaluation has to be independent.
00:24:49.480And we cannot have any more indications for chronic pain written for a drug based on a 14-day study where the regulator then goes immediately and works for the company.
00:24:59.540That's the kind of thing that breeds distrust, and that's why people perceive that this agency,
00:25:06.540the FDA, has been captured by industry, and it is not captured by industry.
00:25:11.320It is owned by the American people right now.
00:25:13.340How do we stop the first problem with all the FDA commissioners and the top head honchos
00:25:18.080doing their stint in government service and then going out to work for Big Pharma like
00:25:22.820they did in the Purdue Pharma case with Curtis Wright and making five times more?
00:25:28.180I don't know. We live in a free country. I do know some of these individuals, and they are good people, and they're all God's children.
00:25:35.740They're doing what the market incentivizes. But when it comes to their influence on the operations of the FDA, that is something that we cannot tolerate.
00:25:46.040We cannot have people who leave as regulators, go to the industry, and we've thought about an ethics pledge.
00:25:52.040We've thought about all kinds of things. It's non-binding because we live in a free country.
00:25:56.380You can't control someone after they leave an employer.
00:25:59.800But what we can do is create a culture here where people want to stay.
00:26:03.360We can ensure that people who leave don't have undue influence.
00:26:41.660I mean, I was in the operating room, and the next day I discovered what the swamp was.
00:26:45.780You were swampy, surrounded by the swamp creatures.
00:26:48.360By the swamp creatures. And immediately, this is how it happens. We want to help you with your confirmation. We want to write a letter on behalf of our company to the senators on your committee. We know these senators. We're going to talk to them if it's OK with you. And you know what I said? Don't talk to the senators. I don't want your letters. They're not for free. Those are obligations that then you feel indebted to return once you're in office.
00:27:14.940And I'd rather not get confirmed into this job than have those obligations.
00:27:33.160Look, Republican, Democrat, independent moms came out and voted for President Trump.
00:27:38.640And they believed in Secretary Kennedy's maha mission.
00:27:41.020There's literally nothing political about looking at the influence of food colors and ingredients and evaluating the grass standard and getting infant formula without seed oil and added sugar and rewriting our nutrition guidelines, which we're doing right now.
00:27:56.560These are the most apolitical things in society.
00:27:59.820Of course, you're going to have media try to spin things, of course.
00:30:41.400But, I mean, there are some actual serious drugs that can help people.
00:30:46.140And so one of the concerns behind people who back big pharma is how much is all of this, some of the stuff we're talking about, going to slow down the approval process for new drugs or drugs and testing?
00:30:58.460We're speeding up the approval process.
00:31:00.480We made an announcement last week that we are reducing the requirements for some perfunctory things like animal testing.
00:31:07.580Why are we testing every single drug in chimpanzees and dogs, usually beagles, because they're obedient?
00:32:04.660So in the lab, they grow these cells, and then they introduce the drug.
00:32:09.580And you can actually see whether or not it injures the cells better than if you inject some bunny rabbit that is not going to talk to you and say, my liver hurts.
00:32:19.440So these new technologies have the promise of replacing some of this routine animal testing.
00:32:25.820You would cut six months out of that approval process.
00:32:29.920You lower R&D costs for pharma companies and inventors, which could lower drug prices for everyday Americans.
00:40:37.080It was unheard of. The sort of repetitive motions, the tics, the heavy, the complete nonverbal child. Where did you see that in the 1940s and 50s? And so we have to look at everything. And when you do science, you can't say, hey, we're going to do a study of what is causing this epidemic affecting 1 in 32 kids. But you can't look at these potential causes. That's not how science is done.
00:42:07.340And when you mess up the microbiome, when you carpet bomb the microbiome with all of these ingredients that don't appear in nature, these are novel chemicals, what are we doing?
00:42:18.800So we've known for a long time as a scientific community that kids with autism have different stool composition, different biodiversity.
00:42:27.360So when you look at the billion different bacteria that live in the microbiome,
00:42:32.640there may be an association between changes in the microbiome and autism
00:42:36.060and things that are changing the microbiome that we've not yet fully appreciated.
00:42:41.000And that could be a whole list of things.
00:42:43.060I've heard you talk many times with me and others about,
00:42:47.340and this stuck out to me because I had C-sections,
00:42:49.300but about how vaginal births are in some ways much better for the baby
00:42:54.720because it will help their microbiome.
00:48:00.680So this is where the entire medical establishment can pivot and focus on.
00:48:08.280And you're going to see grants coming out of the NIH.
00:48:10.940We're working in coordination with the NIH to make sure there's research in this area.
00:48:15.640You know, the NIH has really focused on genetics and the entire culture of the NIH and thus the entire academic medical community in the United States has been a culture focused on the genome based on the Francis Collins era that the gene is responsible for most of our health problems and the gene can solve most of our health problems.
00:48:40.560And you look at the NIH, individual institutes within the National Institutes of Health, and it's geneticists all over the place.
00:48:48.860You look at the Institute for Child Health at the NIH, and it's run by a geneticist who parades around finding a gene involved in some ultra-rare gene disorder.
00:49:01.040That's good, and it's important, but nobody is talking about the food our kids are eating.
00:49:05.260By the way, there's not much we can do about our genes.
00:49:07.440The genes are not the cause of our chronic disease epidemic.
00:49:12.160It's what we're doing or what is being done to children by adults today.
00:49:16.160Unknowingly, with good intentions sometimes, you go to the National Institute of Environmental Health at the NIH.
00:49:21.900Go to the website, and you'll see the director has on there that they were involved in identifying a gene that may be associated with obesity.
00:51:27.180When Jay Bhattacharya came into office, the previous director moved that entire database project to another office outside of the director's office.
00:55:25.940And so we are doing everything we can, and we're taking a lot of steps to reduce animal testing requirements and to stop unnecessary animal testing.
00:55:35.020A single monoclonal antibody that was developed for approval used 144 chimpanzees in the animal testing requirement.
00:58:25.520There are certain government agencies, I'm just going to say it,
00:58:28.480where they're hard left, they can't stand Trump,
00:58:31.560and there will be a natural resistance to his appointees trying to do anything to their agency.
00:58:36.000There are some of those folks here, but, you know, they're all God's children, and I hope to work with all of them. So, you know, that's my job as a leader to try to win their confidence, and I hope to do it by upholding my mission to put out their gold standard science and common sense together.
00:58:57.880Healthier food for children, rebuilding the public trust, and focusing not on the peripheral distractions, but focusing on cures and meaningful treatments for Americans.
00:59:07.980And when this is done, is there a chance you're going to a drug company?
00:59:31.020And I hope we can work with them to create a great user-friendly process to chop down that 10-year time frame to an approval to a much shorter time frame.
00:59:41.860And I'm committed to work with them to get that down.
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01:08:12.080and we're learning so much about what's going on underneath the hood for the population that
01:08:15.940never had been done before we now have over i think 180 000 members or have over 20 million
01:08:21.100data points on these people we can see trends like the severe metabolic crisis we're having
01:08:25.860in america with high levels of insulin and blood sugar and a1c and also their lipids which which
01:08:30.700we do in a very deep way to look at their cardiovascular risk that traditional doctors
01:08:34.380don't do less than one percent of all tests or for this special new advanced lipid profile
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01:08:43.860if you're going to live a long time and be healthy.
01:11:06.280And unfortunately, the average kid has a ton of omega sixes in their potato chips and all this.
01:11:10.780They're not really necessarily balancing them out.
01:11:12.660And then if you do try to balance them out with seafood or fish, the odds are, if you just get it from the grocery store, it's riddled with mercury.
01:13:32.300But he listed it for me in this discussion saying, look at all the things that kids are going through that were not present when I was a kid.
01:13:38.660He was talking about like tics and ADHD, like everywhere, autism spectrum diagnoses all over the place.
01:19:29.440And it's not nutrition security, which is what we need in America, which is providing enough nutrients to people who have also food insecurity.
01:19:37.420And when you look at SNAP, 20% of Coca-Cola's U.S. profits come from food stamps.
01:19:43.300It's a big chunk of Walmart's profits.
01:23:21.820And he was like, what am I going to do?
01:23:23.080And he started reading Thomas Jefferson's journals.
01:23:25.100And in the journals, it explained how he used methods to restore the ecosystem, to use natural pest control methods, to actually use methods that actually restore soil, that retain water, that do all the things we want to do.
01:23:38.100And Gabe Brown has demonstrated this on his 5,000-acre farm in North Dakota and has actually makes 20 times as much money, restored the soil, doesn't use irrigation, doesn't need to use chemicals, produced much more food, much more nutrient-dense food.
01:23:52.400And it's all been well-documented through science.
01:28:34.840And she was, you know, 50-issue business coach.
01:28:38.400And I said, gee, you know, what are all these things, how are all these things related?
01:28:43.600Instead of, you know, seeing the best doctors, which she did at Cleveland Clinic, the best doctors in rheumatology, the best migraine doctor, the best GI doctor, the best depression psychiatrist.
01:28:52.140And she was seeing the best of every class and got the best of the state-of-the-art current model of treatment, which was just pharmaceutical drugs.
01:28:59.080Nobody said, why is she having these problems?
01:32:52.320And it was at that moment I go, wow, how did his brain go from being chaotic and dysfunctional and not synchronizing properly to being kind of functioning and organized and structured so that he can actually function in the world and not have ADD and his handwriting go back to normal?
01:33:08.180Because it wasn't like I gave him a handwriting class.
01:40:43.820in this, Megan, 14% of adults and kids are biologically addicted to food. This is according
01:40:48.940to the Yale Food Addiction Scale. It's a scientifically evaluated metric for looking
01:40:52.120at food addiction. And I'm not talking about just like, oh, I love cookies because I love
01:40:55.160cookies, but like people who really can't stop, like an alcoholic. That's staggering.
01:40:59.800And these companies know this. They've designed the food to be like this. The tobacco companies
01:41:04.820bought in the 70s a lot of the food companies like RJ and Hrabisco and Philip Morris Craft,
01:41:09.540right? Yes. They got out of cigarettes and into crackers.
01:41:12.960And they engineered these foods with taste institutes where they hired craving experts to create the bliss point of food, to create heavy users.
01:41:19.920These are their own internal terms they use.
01:41:21.580And in fact, they actually take little two-year-olds and put them in MRI scanners to see which images will light up their brain in their pleasure center.
01:41:27.720So they'll say to their mommy when they go to the grocery stores, buy this, buy that, give me the cocoa pebbles or whatever it is.
01:41:34.280I was just thinking about my little guy today at breakfast who was like, mom, there's this meal service that will deliver the meals pre-made if you want to sign on to that.
01:41:40.840And I was like, well, they did a good job
01:48:07.540I have the idea we should take all the DEI instructors who are about to lose their jobs and train them in nutrition and send them into all communities and educate people on how to eat well.
01:48:32.400I need it just to make food, period, never mind healthy food.
01:48:35.540All right, we're going to take a quick break, and we will be back with Dr. Mark Hyman after this, plus a special function health discount for our audience.
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01:53:28.660This is a way of truly healing people and helping people get better as opposed to just you're going in, you're going to be governed by the insurance companies.
01:53:37.040You've been upper limited on how much you can make and how much you can help.
01:53:48.380In Texas, I was testifying in front of the Health and Human Services Committee about a bill that was to actually start to educate doctors about nutrition and to mandate it in medical schools and in graduate medical education residencies.
01:54:00.800I'm so excited about that because that'll be a domino effect.
01:54:03.860Once state starts to do it, it'll sort of be a trend.
01:54:06.760And then we can actually start to train the new generation of doctors that is in the right paradigm.
01:54:13.500Because there's so many people who can do this short of getting an MD, which would be more accessible and more affordable for a lot of people, too.
01:54:21.520So you've mentioned it several times, the keto diet.
01:54:24.720I've had it mentioned to me many times.
01:57:13.940I mean, I think, you know, you have to understand that there are certain people who do better or do worse depending on their genetics.
01:57:18.840And so I had a patient who was overweight, who was struggling with lots of inflammation, who was pre-diabetic, whose cholesterol was like 300, which should be 200.
01:57:26.100Her triglycerides were 300, should be 100 or less.
01:57:29.100Her good cholesterol, we don't really like to call it good or bad,
01:57:31.820but the HDL was low, which is a sign of this metabolic dysfunction,
01:57:36.040and she was desperate to try to do something.
02:12:41.360I mean, you shouldn't be putting a sandwich in there?
02:12:43.240I mean, you could if it's whole grain bread and, you know, you know the source of it.
02:12:46.580i think the kids need to eat real food and what's the problem is that they're not eating real food
02:12:50.380and there are there are great guides on how to do this um i'm i'm like blanking on school lunches
02:12:55.680because basically well an apple fruit cheese cheese can be fine okay with cheese yeah she's
02:13:01.440gonna be fine i prefer sheep or goat cheese what else steve what else do we need to know
02:13:05.800hold on see if there's a follow-up what what kind of meat yeah what kind of meat in the sandwich
02:13:12.040like real turkey sliced turkey roast real real like not deli no not deli turkey because that's
02:13:18.640like kind of ground up and mixed with all kinds of stuff like a chicken breast that you cooked
02:13:22.720yourself the night before in avocado oil something like that that's pasture raised yeah okay it's
02:13:28.300just so much harder than it should be you know it's like well the defaults are the wrong choices
02:13:32.460how do we make the defaults the easy choices and the right choices yeah i don't know i like even
02:13:37.780in the summers, I'm sure there are a lot of parents out there who can relate to this.
02:13:41.560The summers, the family eating goes to hell. The kids daily eating, because they're all over the
02:13:48.020place. You know, our kids go to this day camp and then they swing by the ice cream place that has a
02:13:52.040great menu, like a diner kind of place. And they're all eating just terrible food all day long.
02:13:57.700I don't even know what the alternative is. You know, like without hiring a chef to live in your
02:14:02.280house and come up with healthy options for all three meals, you know, they're eating bagel with
02:14:07.080cream cheese in the morning and then they're eating like a cheese steak for for lunch and
02:14:11.260then you know i'll get them for dinner but it's so hard it is it is and that's that's the whole
02:14:16.260point of what needs to change in our policies to to change the things from the top down so that
02:14:20.840we produce food that's healthier that we have clear labeling on foods that people know what
02:14:25.580they're getting that we have access in a way that we don't have now to healthier options and so
02:14:31.180those those things will take time and i think that's what the trump administration is trying
02:14:35.360to do i hope they succeed i think there's a sort of a tension between the usda and hhs because the
02:14:40.460usda basically is to support farmers and not necessarily support the health of americans
02:14:45.700and they essentially are creating all the diseases inadvertently that that health and human services
02:14:50.640and medicare and medicaid are having to take care of swift beware of the usda like the right hand
02:14:54.560is actually making the left hand jobs a lot harder so what what do you how do you like rfkj's chances
02:14:59.620of succeeding in this job given all these forces he's got a lot of forces right against him i mean
02:15:03.980there's a multi-trillion dollar industry that is basically wanting him to fail and that's
02:15:08.300threatened the food industry you know farming industry you know the pharmaceutical industry
02:15:13.120it's it's not a small thing and i think you know if president trump gets behind him and supports
02:15:18.520him i think if he's able to get clear on what his objectives are if he's able to sort of get on the
02:15:22.520low-hanging fruit and have the win the easy wins i think they'll win so for example getting all the
02:15:26.960additives and chemicals out of food is starting to happen now there's 30 plus bills around the
02:15:30.940country in different states some of them 10 of them i think are democrat led some most the rest
02:15:36.140are republican led and they're they're for example to get rid of the chemicals and dyes and food or
02:15:41.100to have snap waivers to get rid of soda and snap these things are happening to get nutrition
02:15:45.060education like in texas for doctors or you know stop punishing kids by restricting recess and
02:15:50.440jib you know like they need it uh there's things happening that are sort of the maha movement is
02:15:56.160sort of catalyzed this this groundswell that i i'm sort of shocked i mean i i never thought
02:16:00.820it's awesome i hear cali means drop it all the time he's like you're gonna tell the maha moms
02:16:05.240out there that you won't take sugar out and they're like it's great he's using it and he should
02:16:09.300yeah because the the maha mom thing is real like they're out there and they're pissed off about
02:16:14.260what's been done i'm a hundred percent mom happily and proudly because i i'm pissed off about what
02:16:20.260the what these industries have done to me to my family how hard they've made it for us all
02:16:25.140how expensive they've made it for us why and the government's been sort of in collusion a little
02:16:30.140bit yeah that's the problem why most people can't afford to shop at whole foods it's very expensive
02:16:34.860walmart is so hard to get a vegetable walmart is the biggest organic grocer in the country it is
02:16:40.840it is the biggest organic there's not a walmart near me that's why there are walmarts near most
02:16:45.300of underserved populations so i mean i i shopped at walmart and you know during covid i was helping
02:16:50.920different people who couldn't get food i would go get food i was like wow i can fill up in a giant
02:16:54.540like grocery cart full of real food that's good for 500 bucks grass-fed beef like a giant walmart
02:16:59.860carton like a regular grocery cart yeah not grass-fed necessarily but just like real food okay
02:17:04.320you know meat vegetables you know how important is the grass-fed thing in the hierarchy of things
02:17:09.740i think it's less important okay and it's more important to have regenerative agriculture to
02:17:13.320rebuild our soil and to sort of rebuild farms in terms of your health i think the kind of trade-off
02:17:19.820between eating real food and eating processed food i would skip the organic and i would skip
02:17:24.600I mean, this is my selling heresy, but in terms of like having a choice, if you can't afford it, I would always choose the real food versus the processed food.
02:17:34.260Back to RMKJ, they definitely want to destroy him.
02:17:37.180And so one of my feelings is for the next four years, hopefully he decides to keep the job that long, we need to be super wary of hit pieces on him because the odds are they've been planted by one of his detractors.
02:17:49.800Just in the news now, they're trying to blame him for this measles outbreak down in Texas.
02:18:23.660The New York Times published a piece on him years ago, taking him down, because this group called the American Council on Science and Health wrote a letter to Columbia to take him off the faculty because he was a quack.
02:18:35.360And there was, you know, like sort of eight or nine doctors on the letterhead that was from the American Council on Science and Health.
02:18:40.940When you look at who that group is, they're funded by the pesticide industry, by the big food manufacturers, by big pharma, by tobacco.