Dr. Marty Makary and Dr. Mark Hyman - Megyn Kelly's "Double Feature" of Fascinating Interviews
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Dr. Marty McCary, former head of the FDA and co-founder of Function Health, Mark Hyman, talks with Megyn Kelly about his first day as FDA Commissioner and how he s going to deal with the people who can t stand any of the men in charge, not to mention President Trump.
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All right, full-time thoughts. Craig, who stood out?
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Brazil's lime cheesecakes started bright, didn't let up.
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Nah, for me, Italian cappuccino was the standout in the box.
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But if we're talking decadent performance, that's all France.
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Chocolate creme brulee had the richest finishes.
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We are, of course, talking about Tim's taste of the globe lineup.
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New globally inspired Timbits and ice cap flavors,
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Pick some up today, and while you're at it, check out Footy Prime Daily.
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Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.
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Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's double feature
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special episode. Today, two health and wellness conversations. First, with Dr. Marty McCary,
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back when he was the head of the FDA on the Maha priorities of the administration.
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And then functional medicine doctor Mark Hyman, co-founder of Function Health, a really important conversation here in the studio.
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We are at the FDA today speaking with the new commissioner, Dr. Marty McCary.
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I got to tell you, it was freaky walking into this building because they've been so demonized.
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They've demonized themselves over the whole COVID regime and the craziness of the past five years.
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To walk in here and look around, these are some of the people who participated in this, is sort of eerie.
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But the good news is there's a new sheriff in town, and Dr. Marty McCary is the real deal.
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He's a surgeon, scientist, has devoted his life to public health.
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He's the son of a doctor. He's a doctor. He's at the Johns Hopkins Hospital.
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He was performing surgery right up to the day he went in and started this job the day before.
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So he's had a lifelong interest in medicine and in public health more generally,
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and has been very honest about things that are controversial, like COVID,
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and was an early seer on the things that the medical establishment was doing wrong
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and was totally fearless in speaking out against it with absolutely nothing to gain and actually a lot to lose.
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And that is how he became one of the trusted voices, along with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford, who's running NIH.
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And, of course, then there's Bobby Kennedy, not a doctor but a lawyer, who is atop them all as he runs HHS.
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So this is Dr. McCary's first interview as FDA commissioner.
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Like, how is he going to deal with the people here who can't stand any of the men I just mentioned, not to mention President Trump?
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and how are we going to actually start enacting the Maha agenda that Kennedy and Trump and others
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have been pushing and talking about for so long when it comes to our food, never mind our drugs.
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There's a lot to go over, including the corruption that has gone on here for a long time
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with the revolving door of people working here, approving drugs, and then immediately going to
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work at those drug companies. Working here and working with Big Pharma as they together decide
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whether the latest drug should be approved. He's all over it. We get into all of it. Enjoy.
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Commissioner. Megan Kelly, great to see you. I mean, you were just on my set and you were just
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doctor. And now look at you. You could have stayed in the private sector, kept rolling in
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pretty good money, and you decided to take this job, which is an amazing thing for America. But
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why? Well, welcome to the FDA, Megan. It's great to have you out here. You know, we are not on a
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good path as a country in terms of the health outcomes of the population. We do great with
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sophisticated operations and amazing drugs that can treat certain kinds of lymphoma and other
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types of cures. But when it comes to the health of the population right now, we have had this
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massive area that we're not talking about that we need to be talking about. And that is the rise of
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all these chronic diseases. We've got one in six women now affected with autoimmune diseases.
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70% of kids are not qualifying for the military.
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So we've got to start talking about our problems and not just keep throwing medications at them.
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Causes and not just possible cures, which often don't turn out to be anything of the sort.
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So what are the biggest things that you've learned so far?
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What's jumped out at you as a civilian who now suddenly is in government service?
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I had a lot of emotions the last day I was in the operating room the day before my Senate confirmation hearing.
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We're trying to make sure they have all the resources they need to do their job well.
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We're trying to change the culture here to make it more of a teamwork culture.
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Each of the centers has developed their own fiefdom with their own communications department and lawyers and lobbyists for Congress and IT departments.
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So that's why you have VAERS and FAERS and CARES and 10 different adverse event reporting systems.
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So I'm doing an inventory right now, trying to assess the lay of the land, and then we're
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also trying to change the culture to a culture of teamwork, the scientific gold standard,
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and common sense working together, and that is our goal right now.
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In medicine in general, there's this divide, a push-pull right now between sort of the
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old school doctors and the new functional medicine doctors, the new Maha push, and there's
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Do you think the folks here are open-minded to Maha and functional medicine and doing things a different way?
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We need, you know, as somebody who is a highly subspecialized pancreatic specialist,
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we need people who think broadly and think functionally and think about the fact that 90% of type 2 diabetes is curable by changing what you eat.
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changing what you eat can actually take care of a certain type of rash that somebody develops,
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almost as good as some of these expensive biologics in certain circumstances. So we need
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people who think differently. We need fresh new ideas. We need the old guard to ensure that we
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hold to rigorous scientific methodology, and we need fresh new ideas at the same time. So we're
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trying to bring all of that together now. And people have forgotten that the FDA stands for
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food. And so that is a major focus with Secretary Kennedy in this administration.
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Right. We're always so focused on the D, especially on the heels of COVID. And we think of the FDA,
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most of us, especially on the right, poorly, because we feel like we were railroaded and
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doing things we didn't want to do. And especially, you know, before COVID, there was the opioid
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crisis and the FDA's role in that. So it has a bad rap, I think, generally, with many in the
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country. So how do you turn that around? Well, I mean, we're still reeling back from some of the
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disastrous health care corruption that the government was involved in. The food pyramid,
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one of the greatest pieces of misinformation put out there that has informed school lunch programs,
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that has informed what people define as healthy. And so we now have a group that's re-evaluating
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the nutrition guidance. We have a Maha Commission that is going to be putting out a massive report
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that doesn't just talk about calories in, calories out.
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It talks about food ingredients and chemicals that don't appear in nature
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that are going down the GI tracts of our nation's children every day, nonstop.
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And it may not be one ingredient that is driving some of these chronic diseases.
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It may not be one ingredient involved in attention deficit disorder.
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That probably is the quintessential example of what's wrong with a cozy relationship
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when the regulator agency is captured by the industry.
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The person who literally authorized OxyContin then went to work for Purdue Pharma.
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He approved a label that suggested it wasn't really that addictive, if at all.
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And then after he left here, he went to work for Purdue Pharma, the very company he helped.
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Sweetheart deal. And that label was illegal, in my opinion. It was an indication for chronic pain
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for round-the-clock, long-term use, and it was based on a 14-day study. And so that kind of
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mistake can result in a million Americans losing their lives. And when you don't have good post
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approval monitoring as this agency has not had, you discover things decades later. We discovered
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Vioxx killed maybe 38,000 plus Americans years after it was approved. We discovered a million
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Americans died of opioids and overdoses over a decade after the OxyContin label was given.
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Why weren't we monitoring in real time people who were getting it immediately after approval?
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in part, the answer to that question is we couldn't do it. We didn't have the data. It was
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too sophisticated. You'd have to have everybody registered in a study. Now we have giant big data
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from electronic health records nationally. Now we can have our researchers and universities go in
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there and look at everyone who's taken a new medication matched to somebody who's similar
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who is not taking that medication and look at the adverse event rate and ask, is it working?
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And they are suspicious about the cozy relationship sometimes that results in approvals.
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And they're also suspicious when they hear stories and they don't have hard data.
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You don't have great rates about certain complications when you just have self-reported data.
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Like, how do you know if my sleepless night was due to the COVID vaccine or I'm stressed out?
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And in the void of good scientific data, every opinion fills that void.
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And if we have good post-approval monitoring of drugs and devices, then we can also tell companies,
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hey, instead of doing two randomized control trials to get your drug on the market, how about one?
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And we'll take a close look in the post-approval monitoring how the drug is doing in real time immediately after it's approved.
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And that's particularly important when you're talking about rare diseases, when you talk about a genetic issue that affects 52 kids in the world.
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There is a condition that affects 50 or 15 kids.
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You can't expect the companies to do a randomized control trial.
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You'll kill investment in those innovative ideas.
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You've got to say, hey, this is a very difficult condition.
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We're going to customize the approval process to the condition.
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And so we're going to be rolling out a new pathway for drugs, which is a pathway based on a plausible mechanism.
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If there's a rare condition or a condition that's incurable, that affects a small number of people,
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we may be approving drugs based on a plausible mechanism on sort of a conditional basis.
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Let's say there's a condition that affects 75 people in the world, and there's a new treatment that makes sense physiologically.
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The mechanism is scientifically plausible that this treatment would help these individuals.
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No one's forcing these medications on these individuals.
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If they want to try these new medications, even though we don't have a randomized controlled trial because it's not feasible,
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We will allow that and at the same time monitor everybody who gets it so that we can make
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inferences as soon as the data speaks with a signal in the data.
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One of the questions I had when you were going over like VAERS, which is the vaccine website
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where you go to upload your negative consequences, people know it from COVID, is aren't those
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things only as good as the people who monitor them?
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Because you and I have talked before, we talked throughout COVID with doctors like Bnei Prasad, who's a big fan of yours,
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about the myocarditis that we were seeing, especially in young teenage boys, as a result of the vaccine, especially the second shot, and then the boosters.
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And those things were being uploaded to VAERS, but we weren't getting red alert warnings from the FDA.
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And so this is one of the reasons people don't trust the FDA.
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Like, there's an agenda. They don't want to tell us about this negative side effect because they're much more concerned with forcing us to take the shot.
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There's been, look, let's be honest, there's been an epidemic of distrust, and part of it is warranted.
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And when you don't want to look at complications, the complication rate looks lower than it really is, and it makes products look safer than they really are.
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And so in the case of VAERS, you have something that could suggest it's a screening tool.
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It could suggest that there's an issue, but you have to do a rigorous evaluation.
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If you don't follow up with a rigorous evaluation, that screening tool is not very useful.
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But aren't the same people all here who didn't want to know when it was your predecessor and it was the Biden administration?
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We're going to do intense, comprehensive research, and that's why if we have massive electronic health record data, which we now have through something called the Health Information Exchange, we can have researchers go into there and look at real-world complication rates.
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So we're not relying on self-reported data from which you can make no inferences about rates.
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That's just a basic scientific methodologic principle.
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when you have a couple people saying, hey, I had this or I had this, you can't infer what the rate
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is, that is the frequency per unit time. But when you have comprehensive data, which we only have
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now because of cloud storage ability, we couldn't do this 10 years ago. We have now tremendous big
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data where we can go in there and look at, here's 100,000 people who took this product. Let's follow
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them in the data, de-identified to protect privacy, and look at how many people came back to the
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hospital. Not just came back to the hospital with myocarditis coded, but who came into a clinic and
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said, my chest hurts. Once you have good methodologic capture of outcomes, now you're
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looking at real rates. Will that happen? Because since Kennedy took over, and FDA is under Kennedy
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at HHS, people should know. When he took over, a guy named Peter Marks, who was here, it's FDA's
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former top vaccine regulator, well, he was forced out, reportedly, that you approved it, and then
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Kennedy said, okay, good, I'm fine, get rid of him. And in his resignation letters, his forced
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resignation, reportedly, he said, it's become clear that truth and transparency are not desired
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by the secretary, but rather he wishes subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies.
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He accused Secretary Kennedy of undermining confidence in well-established vaccines.
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And then he accused Secretary Kennedy of wanting to access and directly edit VAERS,
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which the FDA oversees, saying, we don't trust them.
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They would write over the data or erase the whole database.
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So I don't know what he's suggesting here, that Secretary Kennedy would go into VAERS.
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It seems to me it would be more like the people who are pushing the vaccines on us
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who would go into the VAERS database and erase things.
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But you tell me whether Secretary Kennedy and you should have access to VAERS
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and actually start figuring out whether, I mean, there's still parents who are getting their teenage boys
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the third, the fourth shot of the COVID vax, not knowing about the myocarditis.
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Yeah, I mean, if you follow the guidelines as they've been written to the exact letter,
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A 12-year-old healthy, thin girl should be on her eighth COVID vaccine mRNA booster shot.
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And so Secretary Kennedy has called for gold standard science.
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And I can tell you, and Dr. Bhattacharya will tell you the same thing at the NIH, is he has posed questions,
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but he is not engaging in the details of how rigorous scientific methodology should be conducted.
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He's posing questions, as is most of America right now.
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Again, I don't think VAERS is a good database because it is self-reported and not rates.
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On Peter Marks, I can tell you that I never knew the guy.
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Some people liked some of the things he did, and some people had concerns with some of the things he did.
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One of the biggest concerns, of course, was that he pushed out the two top scientific vaccine experts here at the FDA.
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And this all came out in a House Judiciary hearing last summer.
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The two top vaccine experts at the FDA were pushed out by Peter Marks.
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And as I recall, they were objecting to certain things that seemed arbitrary, like mandates for children, vaccines for six-year-olds, that kind of thing.
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they had concerns, according to their testimony, they had concerns over the COVID mRNA booster
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repeat strategy as a mandate in children. And as you know, some people have said it makes no sense,
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we don't have good data on the risk-benefit profile. The two top vaccine career scientists
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at the FDA, Dr. Gruber and Dr. Krauss, head director and deputy director of the Vaccine
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Research Center here at the FDA were forced out by Dr. Marks. So, you know, sometimes you have to
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block out some of the noise where now he's taking a, you know, a different view. I never met the
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guy, but that's, those are the different ideas people have on Peter Marks. There's a lot of
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talented people who can do that job well. A lot of very smart people who are right now who are
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applying for that job. My guess in knowing you is you want people who welcome that kind of
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questioning. Let's have more questions. Let's search that up. Let's run that down. Not somebody
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who, like we've had, shuts down any questioning that doesn't toe the party line. We are not going
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to be shutting down ideas, ideas that may be different from my ideas. We should welcome that.
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Science is based on challenging deeply held assumptions where there's no good evidence,
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what we call medical dogma. That is the scientific process. And so we shouldn't be shutting down
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other ideas, we should be inviting them. And that's why we're going to be having roundtable
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expert panels, FDA expert panels on menopause and hormone replacement therapy on a whole host of
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topics. All right, full-time thoughts. Craig, who stood out? Brazil's lime cheesecake started
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bright, didn't let up. Nah, for me, Italian cappuccino was the standout in the box. But if
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we're talking decadent performance, that's all France. Chocolate creme brulee had the richest
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finishes. Canadian fireworks really showed up big too. And Mexico's caramel churro ice cap gave me
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chills. We are, of course, talking about Tim's taste of the globe lineup. New globally inspired
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Timbits and ice cap flavors available at Tim Hortons for a limited time. Picks them up today
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and while you're at it, check out Footy Prime Daily. I'm queuing up a clip because I want to
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jump back to some reforms you're starting with. And one of the big issues we touched on a minute
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ago, people like Curtis Wright. He's not the only one to leave the FDA and go right into big pharma.
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Almost every commissioner does. Scott Gottlieb, he was under Trump. He was the FDA commissioner,
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went right off to Pfizer. He came on my show and tried to tell me nothing to worry about with any
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side effects as he's working for Pfizer. It's like, we know we can't trust these people. So
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A, what are we going to do about those people? And B, is there anything else we need to worry
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about, because it's not just people who are at FDA and leave. It's also panels of big pharma
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representatives who oversee the process as a drug gets approved here at FDA.
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When Curtis Wright approved the original FDA label, was there internal pushback?
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Oh, yeah. Diane Snitchler emailed him that produced less addictive claims sounded like
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bullshit. What was Mr. Wright's response? He said, actually, Diane, this is literally true.
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So, Curtis Wright is the FDA medical review officer who approves an unprecedented label for Purdue,
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So, do you think there's quid pro quo with Purdue to grant such generous wording?
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Yeah, well, I get that it has the appearance of eruption, but it's possible there wasn't.
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What Curtis Wright did is the way the industry works.
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It's a revolving door, where as soon as people leave the government,
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they go and work for the exact people they were regulating for five times the money.
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What appears to be corruption is simply how the system works.
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Number one is we have to partner with industry and pharma to facilitate the process
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We want American pharma companies to do well and companies that do business in the United States to do well.
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But the scientific evaluation needs to be independent.
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And that's why today we're announcing we are removing industry members, pharma members, from FDA advisory committees.
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I was shocked when I learned that employees of big pharma companies sit on FDA advisory committees as members of those committees.
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So we're going to be replacing them whenever statutorily possible with patients and family
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We are going to be inviting pharma companies to send representatives to the advisory committees,
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but they can sit with the rest of the public and watch and pose questions as the rest of
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So that speaks to, it doesn't stop at FDAers leaving and going directly to Big Pharma to
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work pushing the drugs they just approved while government employees. It's also while the FDA is
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approving those drugs, big pharma right now has a role in pushing for it, in advising the people
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who are the decision makers. And so on that second piece of it, at least right now, you're stopping
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that. We're stopping that in for every committee where we can by statute. And we're replacing them
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And the idea is that there should not be a cozy relationship.
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There should be a user-friendly process for industry,
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Because let's be honest, a lot of people in the United States
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A lot of people feel that the relationship is too cozy
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And so this is an agency that belongs to the American people.
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And so we can work with pharma and at the same time ensure that scientific evaluation process is totally independent.
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And on those advisory committees, the pharma and device members of those advisory committees will say that they're non-voting members.
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But that is a sort of a close club of individuals that has a running dialogue and they meet and they become friendly.
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And it's okay to be friendly, but we need the scientific evaluation, the voting, to be totally independent.
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And so people ask, are you anti-pharma or pro-pharma?
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And the reality is we're pro-pharma, but our evaluation has to be independent.
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And we cannot have any more indications for chronic pain written for a drug based on a 14-day study where the regulator then goes immediately and works for the company.
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That's the kind of thing that breeds distrust, and that's why people perceive that this agency,
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the FDA, has been captured by industry, and it is not captured by industry.
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How do we stop the first problem with all the FDA commissioners and the top head honchos
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doing their stint in government service and then going out to work for Big Pharma like
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they did in the Purdue Pharma case with Curtis Wright and making five times more?
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I don't know. We live in a free country. I do know some of these individuals, and they are good people, and they're all God's children.
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They're doing what the market incentivizes. But when it comes to their influence on the operations of the FDA, that is something that we cannot tolerate.
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We cannot have people who leave as regulators, go to the industry, and we've thought about an ethics pledge.
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We've thought about all kinds of things. It's non-binding because we live in a free country.
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You can't control someone after they leave an employer.
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But what we can do is create a culture here where people want to stay.
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We can ensure that people who leave don't have undue influence.
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If somebody leaves the FDA and goes to work for one of the drug companies,
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then you should look back to see whether they were involved in approving any of that company's drugs
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during their tenure over the previous five years.
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And it should kick in an automatic review on that drug and the approval.
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When I got this nomination for the job, I cannot tell you how many lobbyists, former members of Congress, the swamp, reached out to me.
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I mean, I was in the operating room, and the next day I discovered what the swamp was.
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You were swampy, surrounded by the swamp creatures.
00:26:48.360
By the swamp creatures. And immediately, this is how it happens. We want to help you with your confirmation. We want to write a letter on behalf of our company to the senators on your committee. We know these senators. We're going to talk to them if it's OK with you. And you know what I said? Don't talk to the senators. I don't want your letters. They're not for free. Those are obligations that then you feel indebted to return once you're in office.
00:27:14.940
And I'd rather not get confirmed into this job than have those obligations.
00:27:21.100
You're the only Trump nominee that's had as many Democrats cross over to support you.
00:27:28.460
It literally should be nothing political about the FDA.
00:27:33.160
Look, Republican, Democrat, independent moms came out and voted for President Trump.
00:27:38.640
And they believed in Secretary Kennedy's maha mission.
00:27:41.020
There's literally nothing political about looking at the influence of food colors and ingredients and evaluating the grass standard and getting infant formula without seed oil and added sugar and rewriting our nutrition guidelines, which we're doing right now.
00:27:56.560
These are the most apolitical things in society.
00:27:59.820
Of course, you're going to have media try to spin things, of course.
00:28:04.800
On the food, my daughter turned 14 this past Monday, and I was baking her a cake, and I went,
00:28:12.660
I mean, I just got the Duncan Hines. I'm not going to lie. I can't do anything from scratch.
00:28:16.300
But then I just took a moment to look at what was in the icing, you know, with which you would use
00:28:22.040
to write happy birthday. Everything in there was red dye number this, yellow dye number that,
00:28:28.040
Green dye number this. And I thought, this could alternatively read carcinogen X, carcinogen Y.
00:28:38.220
And that's where I drew the line. I'm sure there were tons of seed oils and so on in the cake
00:28:42.980
itself. But my point is, how does that even make its way onto the shelf where the vast majority of
00:28:49.080
people have no idea that all those dyes that are in our food, but not in the Europeans,
00:28:53.880
can cause cancer. And so I'm giving my child cancer for her 14th birthday, which is a no.
00:29:00.760
What I don't understand is if there's enough preliminary data to suggest that there may be
00:29:05.600
carcinogenic effects or genomic disruption or associations with attention deficit disorder,
00:29:11.000
or a whole plethora of families that are saying, hey, once we started eliminating these petrochemical
00:29:19.440
food colorings from the food of my child, their behavior improved. When you have enough of that,
00:29:26.140
it's not, look, they're not giant randomized control studies over 10 years for each food
00:29:31.320
dye. We're not going to get that. But when you have enough preliminary data to suggest
00:29:35.060
these petrochemical food dyes are concerning, who then would conclude, you know what,
00:29:41.760
let's just risk it. It's fine. We'll wing it. We'll be, you know, the kids will maybe fine.
00:29:48.980
When we have all of these chronic diseases increasing right in front of our eyes that were rare a generation ago.
00:29:59.880
I mean, when you have to see these statistics, who says, you know what, it might be some of these ingredients have been suggested.
00:30:08.820
The food prices are not higher because they use beet juice and carrot juice and watermelon juice.
00:30:16.680
We're taking a close look at this, and I think you're going to hear some action in the coming weeks on this.
00:30:20.800
Before we go to the autism thing, because Kennedy made news on that, too.
00:30:24.440
On the drugs, it's fun to demonize drug companies because we're all kind of ticked off, I think, about the COVID vaccines and so on.
00:30:35.780
They do make some drugs that have helped a lot of people.
00:30:41.400
But, I mean, there are some actual serious drugs that can help people.
00:30:46.140
And so one of the concerns behind people who back big pharma is how much is all of this, some of the stuff we're talking about, going to slow down the approval process for new drugs or drugs and testing?
00:31:00.480
We made an announcement last week that we are reducing the requirements for some perfunctory things like animal testing.
00:31:07.580
Why are we testing every single drug in chimpanzees and dogs, usually beagles, because they're obedient?
00:31:18.400
Some of these drugs are already proved in other countries, in humans.
00:31:21.280
So you have a drug already in use in humans in other countries,
00:31:27.160
So we've put out a release that we are now taking steps to reduce the animal testing requirement.
00:31:37.340
And we live in a modern world where we have computational modeling using AI
00:31:41.540
that can evaluate a molecule and predict its toxicity in humans better than the animal testing.
00:31:48.440
We also have something called organ-on-a-chip technology, where, say, liver cells are grown in the lab.
00:31:56.280
Yeah, I personally cannot eat liver. I've operated on the liver too much.
00:32:04.660
So in the lab, they grow these cells, and then they introduce the drug.
00:32:09.580
And you can actually see whether or not it injures the cells better than if you inject some bunny rabbit that is not going to talk to you and say, my liver hurts.
00:32:19.440
So these new technologies have the promise of replacing some of this routine animal testing.
00:32:25.820
You would cut six months out of that approval process.
00:32:29.920
You lower R&D costs for pharma companies and inventors, which could lower drug prices for everyday Americans.
00:32:38.520
there's too much animal use. Are there any other areas where AI can come and help as we move into
00:32:44.840
the 21st century? Yeah, we're bringing in a team that is really exciting. They're going to use,
00:32:51.300
introduce AI into the review process to help the reviewer, to make the reviewer's
00:32:56.280
work stream much more streamlined and summarize things. There are parts of the drug application
00:33:04.020
that are so perfunctory, that are outdated, that could be streamlined, that could be abstracted
00:33:09.100
with AI to help the reviewer. So here, like all other aspects of government that Trump is taking
00:33:14.480
on, you're saying there's actually too much red tape that we're and we're red taping the wrong
00:33:19.580
things. It sounds like you're saying. Why does it take 10 years to bring a drug to market in
00:33:24.600
the United States? Because the regulatory steps. I mean, people are dying. People need
00:33:30.400
cures and meaningful treatments. And my predecessor in this role was focused,
00:33:37.420
as he stated, his number one goal was fighting misinformation. Well, our number one goal
00:33:43.840
is delivering cures and meaningful treatments and healthier foods for Americans. That is our
00:33:51.060
focus. And so you've heard about consolidation or changes or cuts at the FDA. Those were not
00:33:57.100
cuts to scientists or reviewers or inspectors? Absolutely none. They were cuts to communications
00:34:03.520
staff, FDA's lobbyists to Congress, and to the IT systems here where there's a lot of opportunity
00:34:09.960
for efficiencies. Yes, there's been, definitely there's been pushback on the number of people
00:34:15.920
who were ousted. I think it was your predecessor who said the FDA, as we know, is gone, that the
00:34:23.920
People with decades of institutional knowledge have been turfed, suggesting there might now
00:34:29.840
There is a massive growth of FDA employees under the Biden administration.
00:34:35.180
And when the media reports that there were cuts, which many were early retirements, people
00:34:42.380
took early retirement, none were to scientific reviewers or inspectors or law enforcement
00:34:49.780
They were to IT communications, legislative affairs.
00:34:53.320
And so what you're not hearing in the mainstream media is that there was a 100% increase in the number of FDA employees since 2006.
00:35:01.600
You have about 18,000, and it's been cut about 3,500 since you and Kennedy got here.
00:35:17.380
and you don't report that there was a hundred percent increase in employees in the preceding
00:35:22.940
years, that the number of employees doubled in the preceding years, that is misleading.
00:35:29.840
And the people who we've gotten rid of, losing them is not going to slow down drug approval
00:35:34.880
or safety procedures because they were, sounds like more administrative people.
00:35:40.200
There were no cuts to scientists, reviewers, or inspectors or law enforcement. And my goal
00:35:45.220
is to make sure that every one of those people has all the resources they need to do their job
00:35:49.940
well. Now, cuts are never perfect. And so we have done an assessment and there are
00:35:56.580
some individuals that we have invited back. There were a couple of people who were taking the early
00:36:03.860
retirement and we were told of their sort of how well they performed here and we encouraged them
00:36:10.300
to stay. But to not report that the agency has doubled since 2006 before this cut, in my opinion,
00:36:19.080
is not telling the whole story. No, it's dishonest. It's dishonest. Is it swampy here? And by that I
00:36:25.100
mean we had a report that when Secretary Kennedy came over and addressed the troops last Friday,
00:36:30.380
some people got up and walked out. They were disgusted by him, which seems like a bad sign.
00:36:39.320
Now, we did stream it, so if somebody was watching it in their office and got up to
00:36:44.220
go to the bathroom during the speech, maybe that constituted getting up and walking out.
00:36:49.180
I was in that room, and there was incredible energy in that room, because he talked about
00:36:52.860
how agencies that are set up to defend public safety sometimes become captured by the organizations
00:37:02.160
and he talked about the EPA has had a history where they have cycled and at times have been
00:37:06.940
captured by the industry. And he encouraged people at the FDA to speak up, think independently,
00:37:13.340
and that he had his full support behind them. So it was an incredible talk. And of course,
00:37:19.880
you're going to hear a clip or a phrase pulled out out of context. But I was in that room.
00:37:25.820
Nobody walked out. It was incredibly a strong message. The FDA is strong and we're going to
00:37:30.800
continue to be strong. And that's because we believe in the scientists. How's your relationship
00:37:34.500
with Bobby Kennedy? It's good. You know, I got to know him during the nomination process, and I
00:37:40.640
found that he always listens to me. He values scientists on questions where he has, you know,
00:37:48.240
some skepticism or he has some honest questions that he wants to pose. And I think that's what
00:37:54.760
we need? I mean, first of all, he represents America. There are, President Trump and Robert
00:38:01.780
F. Kennedy Jr. are the two most popular political people in the United States right now. That's
00:38:07.780
polling data. That's not my opinion. That's polling data. And he is, he represents the
00:38:12.120
American people. He has questions. He wants the scientific process to run its course. And so he's
00:38:17.820
posing the questions and he values our opinion. Everything I put before him, he has valued my
00:38:24.240
input on. And so we're going to see new studies come out. We're going to talk about chronic
00:38:29.380
diseases. We're going to look at food and food ingredients. And he's provided some really great
00:38:33.540
leadership. Are we redoing the food pyramid? We're redoing the food pyramid. Thank God.
00:38:38.640
And no longer are we going to say you have to have these calories. It doesn't matter how you
00:38:44.400
get them. It doesn't matter if it's all ultra-processed foods. It's just pure calories
00:38:48.480
in, calories out. That dogma, which had no scientific support, was a massively underfunded
00:38:55.340
endeavor. We let the industry tell us as a government what's healthy and what's not healthy.
00:39:01.180
And even with the recent Biden administration suggestion to have front of package labeling,
00:39:08.480
they picked sodium, saturated fat, and added sugar in there. I think they got maybe one thing
00:39:14.720
right out of those four, but they ignored a giant sloth of food ingredients.
00:39:20.080
And so when you ignore a thousand chemicals, some of which are petrochemicals that have
00:39:25.880
been introduced into the food supply simply because the industry has self-deemed them
00:39:30.920
as safe, when you ignore that, then you can't call something healthy just because it has
00:39:48.040
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Secretary Kennedy said this week that we are going to know what causes autism by September.
00:40:24.800
A lot of parents have been dealing with kids with autism.
00:40:28.820
I mean, one in 32 kids in America today have autism.
00:40:37.080
It was unheard of. The sort of repetitive motions, the tics, the heavy, the complete nonverbal child. Where did you see that in the 1940s and 50s? And so we have to look at everything. And when you do science, you can't say, hey, we're going to do a study of what is causing this epidemic affecting 1 in 32 kids. But you can't look at these potential causes. That's not how science is done.
00:41:05.660
And for the record, you're not saying it, but people are talking in part about vaccines
00:41:08.920
because Kennedy has said it should be on the list of things we look at.
00:41:13.700
Now, his critics will say he's blaming it all on the vaccine.
00:41:22.880
That's one of the many things, and in particular, like the aluminum that they put in it as a
00:41:27.860
Like, we should be looking at everything they're consuming and we're forcing on them.
00:41:30.700
I don't know what causes autism, but I'm deeply concerned about the rise.
00:41:35.880
If I had to make a hypothesis as a scientist, not as a regulator, but as a scientist,
00:41:41.860
and Dr. Bhattacharya is going to be launching a very impressive study
00:41:44.480
using electronic health big data that we're helping curate.
00:41:48.760
I think it is the cumulative burden of all of these exposures,
00:41:52.780
environmental and dietary, that alter the microbiome.
00:41:57.200
Remember, 90% of the serotonin made, which is involved in mood and mental health, is from bacteria in the microbiome.
00:42:07.340
And when you mess up the microbiome, when you carpet bomb the microbiome with all of these ingredients that don't appear in nature, these are novel chemicals, what are we doing?
00:42:18.800
So we've known for a long time as a scientific community that kids with autism have different stool composition, different biodiversity.
00:42:27.360
So when you look at the billion different bacteria that live in the microbiome,
00:42:32.640
there may be an association between changes in the microbiome and autism
00:42:36.060
and things that are changing the microbiome that we've not yet fully appreciated.
00:42:43.060
I've heard you talk many times with me and others about,
00:42:47.340
and this stuck out to me because I had C-sections,
00:42:49.300
but about how vaginal births are in some ways much better for the baby
00:43:14.760
whereas the vaginal birth is a different story,
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00:43:24.560
for young kids. Carpet bombing the microbiome. Over and over, even when they're little and we're
00:43:29.780
not setting their microbiome up. Then we fill them full of processed foods or maybe we give them
00:43:34.700
infant formula that's riddled with processed or seed oils or added sugars that don't need to be
00:43:39.660
there. And then we, for a long time, didn't expose them to peanuts or other potential allergens,
00:43:46.040
which made them weaker and more susceptible to these allergies. And then, you know, there's all
00:43:51.300
these antibiotics in foods and estrogen altering chemicals in foods. And now the child is basically
00:43:58.800
hobbled in a lot of ways through absolutely no fault of their own. And really the parents either.
00:44:03.660
The parents wouldn't have necessarily known not to do that. Your kid has strep. Your doctor says
00:44:08.540
give him antibiotics. You do it. And then on top of that, we've got all these vaccines and we've
00:44:14.040
got all these processed foods and we've got all this weird stuff and, you know, your cow milk.
00:44:20.660
And so it's almost like the system is set up to get your kids sick.
00:44:24.260
And then we say, why is everybody getting colon cancer before they turn 25?
00:44:31.500
Now it seems like for the first time we have a team that's saying, no, we're taking a hard
00:44:39.800
I mean, if you look at how much children are suffering, they're in pain, they're depressed,
00:44:44.660
they're dealing with injecting themselves with insulin, something you would rarely see a kid
00:44:50.460
have type 2 diabetes in their teenage years a generation ago. Now you've got 20% of kids who
00:44:57.060
have diabetes or prediabetes. The vast majority are type 2 diabetes, right? We have only been
00:45:03.440
talking about treating the rise in colon cancer in young people with new chemotherapy. New
00:45:09.320
chemotherapy is not going to address the root causes. We need to do it, and we want to see new
00:45:14.600
drugs come into market quickly. But we've got to talk about what is insulting the microbiome,
00:45:20.580
driving general body inflammation. We've got to talk about the two underlying causes of so many
00:45:25.780
chronic diseases, in my opinion, insulin resistance and general body inflammation.
00:45:32.280
And it's all the stuff that we put down. The body's immune system is reacting and causing
00:45:36.120
some inflammation. So we're not just going to be looking at new chemo for colon cancer.
00:45:42.620
We're going to be focused on healthy food at the FDA. And we're looking at a school lunch
00:45:48.000
grant program for schools that want to convert to healthier foods but don't know how
00:45:54.700
and they need help. We want to help them. Is guidance coming out for parents on how
00:45:59.780
to feed their child in a healthy way? Saying this to you before we got started,
00:46:06.120
the American breakfast right now is, you know, especially for kids, cereal, bagels, English
00:46:10.660
muffins, toast, French toast. It's all carbs, Danish, right? It's all starchy carbs. Then God
00:46:19.120
knows what they get at school for lunch. And even when you make them lunch, it's hard. You don't
00:46:22.520
know what it's like. Chicken fingers, good or bad? Fried, better than, you know, lunch meat,
00:46:27.720
probably. Well, what? Like, people don't know. They don't know. They've had no real guidance.
00:46:35.900
But this is like the number one issue right now in health in America
00:46:40.960
is people don't know how to switch to healthier foods, right?
00:46:45.600
And I wish, you know, there's zealots in every aspect of health care.
00:46:49.420
And you hear them, you know, the media gives them a lot of airtime,
00:46:58.500
I wish you would take 10% of your enthusiasm over this little issue in health care
00:47:04.540
and actually talk about school lunches and healthy foods
00:47:08.580
and educating parents on what to feed their children
00:47:15.360
and microplastics and seed oils and chemicals in the grass
00:47:21.380
So we're going to see some guidance come out that I think is going to be helpful.
00:47:24.740
schools that want to convert to healthier more organic more local when possible foods
00:47:31.860
don't know how and they got limited budgets that's where we can provide some assistance
00:47:36.380
so on a pilot basis for schools that want to convert and don't know how we're going to help
00:47:42.040
them get off the cupcakes i didn't realize how many schools feed breakfast to children
00:47:48.520
Donuts, cupcakes, ding-dongs, French toast, as if, you know, it alludes to the French healthy living.
00:48:00.680
So this is where the entire medical establishment can pivot and focus on.
00:48:08.280
And you're going to see grants coming out of the NIH.
00:48:10.940
We're working in coordination with the NIH to make sure there's research in this area.
00:48:15.640
You know, the NIH has really focused on genetics and the entire culture of the NIH and thus the entire academic medical community in the United States has been a culture focused on the genome based on the Francis Collins era that the gene is responsible for most of our health problems and the gene can solve most of our health problems.
00:48:40.560
And you look at the NIH, individual institutes within the National Institutes of Health, and it's geneticists all over the place.
00:48:48.860
You look at the Institute for Child Health at the NIH, and it's run by a geneticist who parades around finding a gene involved in some ultra-rare gene disorder.
00:49:01.040
That's good, and it's important, but nobody is talking about the food our kids are eating.
00:49:05.260
By the way, there's not much we can do about our genes.
00:49:07.440
The genes are not the cause of our chronic disease epidemic.
00:49:12.160
It's what we're doing or what is being done to children by adults today.
00:49:16.160
Unknowingly, with good intentions sometimes, you go to the National Institute of Environmental Health at the NIH.
00:49:21.900
Go to the website, and you'll see the director has on there that they were involved in identifying a gene that may be associated with obesity.
00:49:34.520
How about the ding-dongs and cupcakes and donuts and French toast that the kids are eating
00:49:40.080
with government tax dollars every morning at school and nobody seems to be paying attention?
00:49:45.080
And I've heard you say before, if you fix your microbiome, you actually might be less hungry,
00:49:50.260
less prone to obesity. Like the things you were talking about are all to set people up for a
00:49:55.100
healthier lifestyle that's a little easier. You know, that they may be victims to cravings that
00:50:01.100
were created by this terrible food pyramid and them following the American diet that's
00:50:07.180
Yeah, as a surgeon, I've had patients that would do everything to lose weight.
00:50:12.380
They switched to better foods, and they would exercise.
00:50:19.680
Maybe the microbiome was altered in a way that is not easy to fix by just switching back.
00:50:25.860
Maybe all of those years, the cumulative insult to the microbiome was altered.
00:50:32.200
I met the microbiome researcher at the NIH, and it's like a tiny shop.
00:50:39.880
You know, the NIH has collected DNA, all the DNA information on 1.2 million Americans.
00:50:51.100
They have been doing it for the last six or seven years in search of a genetic basis for health disparities.
00:51:02.320
It means they want to understand why certain populations have more chronic diseases than others.
00:51:09.120
And so they collected this giant genetic library.
00:51:14.920
80% are African American, Latino, or transgender because they want to unlock why they have different rates of chronic diseases.
00:51:27.180
When Jay Bhattacharya came into office, the previous director moved that entire database project to another office outside of the director's office.
00:51:41.760
I'm not saying there's no value in that, but you can't even tell us how to lose weight.
00:51:47.780
You can't even tell us what foods are healthy for children.
00:51:51.040
You can't even tell us about seed oils or food dyes or ingredients that are added just for shelf life.
00:51:58.680
And so that has been the entire culture of the medical establishment.
00:52:03.380
And when they launched that project, they went to the oldest African-American church in Harlem.
00:52:08.720
They went to Atlanta, Detroit, and they recruited people from minority communities.
00:52:14.460
And they told them, no longer is our medical recommendations going to be blanket.
00:52:21.360
They're going to be custom-tailored to your population.
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00:52:32.600
One of your predecessors here has said you're going to have to expect massive pushback on all of this.
00:52:38.240
like it might be too pie in the sky that, for example, if we remove all ultra processed foods
00:52:43.880
from school lunch programs, we might bankrupt a bunch of farmers. Like, are we too optimistic?
00:52:51.860
You know, is it is the moonshot not possible? I think people are now discovering that they've
00:52:59.480
been duped with an industry that has told them, don't worry, all this food is healthy for kids.
00:53:13.580
And I think they're very suspicious and they want to find an ingredient that accounts for
00:53:21.960
I think it's the entire gamut of less exercise, food chemicals, not eating the right foods,
00:53:30.240
We have foods now in the United States that are basically grown with caffeine, potassium, phosphorus, nitrogen in the roots.
00:53:45.380
And so you get micronutrient deficient food, and you can eat a lot.
00:53:49.500
But your satiety, that is your sense of feeling full, is not triggered because you're not getting those nutrients.
00:54:00.240
And so what you do is you have this weird feeling after you eat where you're kind of full and bloated, but you're still hungry.
00:54:08.360
And some of those chemicals make you more hungry.
00:54:14.220
They've done what we as a society have asked them to do, and that is focus on food insecurity and mass production.
00:54:21.700
Now, however, seeing that these chronic diseases have skyrocketed in our country, in our generation,
00:54:29.820
we've got to take a step back and ask, how can we get healthier foods out there?
00:54:33.180
And I wanted to go back to the animal testing, because this is something near and dear to my
00:54:36.580
heart. I'm a big animal rights person. I do eat meat and animal products, and I get letters from
00:54:42.080
PETA all the time. But the animal testing is a heartbreaker, and what Fauci was doing to the
00:54:48.360
beagles is really deeply disturbing. And what I never realized until you just said it right now,
00:54:53.680
it's because they're compliant, which is just so sad. It's sad. So how do you stop that? Can we,
00:54:58.880
as humans stay safe in the drugs we consume and the products we consume without torturing
00:55:04.780
sweet little beagles, and I will throw in a word for the bunnies, and even the little lab rats,
00:55:10.540
which, you know, animal torture just seems beneath us at this point in our evolution, but you tell me.
00:55:15.400
God did not make these animals on planet Earth for us to do cruel things to them and subjugate them.
00:55:25.940
And so we are doing everything we can, and we're taking a lot of steps to reduce animal testing requirements and to stop unnecessary animal testing.
00:55:35.020
A single monoclonal antibody that was developed for approval used 144 chimpanzees in the animal testing requirement.
00:55:47.840
And these chimpanzees are not, you know, living with great sunlight and eating bananas.
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And when you realize that the computational models can do as good or better of a job in predicting,
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when the lab-based organ cells tested, or something called organoids,
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where you can actually grow an organ in a lab, and it's not a functional organ,
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but it has the properties of those cells, and you can test liver toxicity.
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or heart toxicity or myocarditis, those models should be replacing animal testing.
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So the first announcement we had when I came in as commissioner
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was to take steps to reduce unnecessary animal testing.
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I'd like to see as much reduction of unnecessary animal testing as humanly possible.
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where the students and residents would learn how to do surgery on the pigs.
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I personally believed it had no impact on learning.
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They could have learned from simulations, computerized simulations.
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They can learn from watching us in the operating room.
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It provided no edits because they were unnecessary.
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And every week or so, they would have pigs anesthetized in this big production.
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So last but not least, 3,500 gone in cooperation with Doge.
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Now, if somebody has not logged on to their VPN in two years, we don't want them working.
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If somebody's doing an incredible job, and we measure performance down to 15-minute increments
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with reviewers that are doing scientific reviews.
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And so if somebody's doing a good job doing that review,
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And so we want to do other things here at the FDA
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We want to encourage them to spend some of their time
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and less of an individual siloed culture that is the culture that I walked into.
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It feels like you really want to make this a better place for people to work,
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more collegial, more of a feeling of camaraderie, a shared mission.
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There are certain government agencies, I'm just going to say it,
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where they're hard left, they can't stand Trump,
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and there will be a natural resistance to his appointees trying to do anything to their agency.
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There are some of those folks here, but, you know, they're all God's children, and I hope to work with all of them. So, you know, that's my job as a leader to try to win their confidence, and I hope to do it by upholding my mission to put out their gold standard science and common sense together.
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Healthier food for children, rebuilding the public trust, and focusing not on the peripheral distractions, but focusing on cures and meaningful treatments for Americans.
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And when this is done, is there a chance you're going to a drug company?
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In terms of if there's an inventor that I might have the chance to work with, I have no idea.
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When it comes to the large pharmaceutical companies, I'm not auditioning for a job with them.
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And I hope we can work with them to create a great user-friendly process to chop down that 10-year time frame to an approval to a much shorter time frame.
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And I'm committed to work with them to get that down.
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He's got his work cut out for him, and we'll stay tuned.
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We'll keep you updated on what happens over here.
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Today, let's talk about the fact that we all have nothing if we don't have our health.
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And we have the perfect guest to discuss how you can take control of your wellness and life.
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If you're into living, this is the show for you.
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Dr. Mark Hyman is a practicing family physician
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He is a 15-time New York Times bestselling author,
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a resource that gives you the tools to own your own health.
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Dr. Hyman was on with us back in February, 2023
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on episode 498, and I'm super excited to dive into him,
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Because it's not the same as like traditional medicine.
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No, you know, traditional medicine is really about sick care.
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to get to root causes rather than just downstream symptoms.
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So medicine is sort of divided into specialties
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toxins, our diet, stress, allergens, and so forth, interrupt our biology or lack of certain
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things we need, like the right food, nutrients, amounts of hormones, light, air, water, sleep,
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connection, movement. All these things are ingredients for health. So functional medicine
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is about identifying the root causes, which are the lack of things you need to thrive and too
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much of the stuff that your body doesn't like, whether it's heavy metals or whatever it is,
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and taking those away. And then your body has this natural intelligence and healing system
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that allows your body to repair, heal, and renew.
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So functional medicine is really about this new paradigm
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It takes a generation or two to change science.
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I was doing some of these things like a year ago.
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I was getting my life in order physically and in every way.
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And the woman who was advising me was like, we should, we should get you a test for the
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Like he, it was actually something he would have had to order, I guess.
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Some of the other stuff he was like, okay, because I had mold in my apartment or my house
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And he's like, I guess, you know, you can get tested for mold.
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But then he's like, do you really think it's an issue?
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He was like, if, if mold were killing people, everybody who lived in the jungle would be
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dead a lot sooner than people who live in the desert and they're not so i've been like pulled
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between these two you know because i functional medicine makes so much sense to me and yet my
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like very like no nonsense traditional doctor is like no yeah no i mean the two things that make
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us sick are diet and environmental toxins and those things are ignored by traditional medicine
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my daughter just graduated medical school i mean she learned nothing about these things and yet
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every day in my practice i see people with chronic illness whether it's autoimmune diseases or
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whether it's metabolic diseases or whether it's digestive diseases or neurodegenerative things
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like Alzheimer's. And they're all things that we now begin to understand the root causes. And we
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can actually change those and reverse those chronic illnesses. Like nobody ever heard of reversing
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diabetes before. Nobody ever heard of reversing Alzheimer's or reversing autoimmune diseases. And
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you can. And that's the beauty of what this approach does. It's really where medicine's
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headed. It's where major sort of academic institutions are researching. But it takes
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couple of decades for science to become practice. With RFKJ, who I know is a personal friend,
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Callie and Casey Means, Callie in particular, like a big advisor to him. That's great. He's
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totally on board with all this. And then you mentioned Dr. Bredesen. He's the Alzheimer's
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doctor. I mean, he's an expert in Alzheimer's and dementia. He's been on the show a couple of times
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and he's been saying, you don't have to get Alzheimer's. You can do things in your life
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But the so-called traditional community looks at him
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as like, oh, you know, not, I won't say snake-roily,
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I first got introduced to him by Maria Shriver,
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who was having fun when she was on the Today Show.
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Yeah, but so, but that's what's happening right now.
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In the same way we saw, you know, doctors who were like,
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you might not want to get your seventh COVID vaccine booster, who got dismissed by people
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like Fauci as fringe, Jay Bhattacharya as focus protection, that's fringe. Now we're having
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functional medicine doctors looked as fringe, but I think there's a different F word and it's future.
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That's right. It's future. That's changing. I mean, Toby Cosgrove, who's one of the most
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visionary leaders in healthcare, was the CEO of Cleveland Clinic for many years. And he invited
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me to come to Cleveland Clinic to establish the Center for Functional Medicine because he realized
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that the future is going to look different when it comes to chronic disease, that the old model
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federal money and private money and pharma money,
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Because they weren't looking in the right place
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And so the causes are not that hard to understand.
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it's our metabolic crisis pre-diabetes are calling alzheimer's type 3 diabetes which is
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because of the sugar and metabolic issues in the brain that's why keto diets work so well for
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alzheimer's they're looking at environmental toxins and they how they play a role there's
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heavy metals or petrochemicals or other toxins mold may be a factor tick infections may be a factor
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nutrition deficiencies might be a factor i had a patient who was diagnosed with early dementia and
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she was an older woman who had absorption issues of b12 and also some genetics around vitamin b6
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and folic or folic acid i gave her like vitamin p12 such and high doses of b12 and uh and b6 and
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folate and her dementia went away now that's not saying all causes all diseases with people with
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dementia have that as their cause but you have to personalize medicine and where everything is going
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is personalized medicine this is just where where we're headed um leroy hood who's the father of
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systems biology which is how everything is connected and works together as the body's a
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network he called it p4 medicine it's preventive it's predictive so you can identify biomarkers
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or things along the continuum disease not wait till you get something say well you know i have
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this problem i don't feel good or my tests are abnormal well you don't really quite have a
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disease yet so come back when you have a really have a disease then i'll give you a drug it's not
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how we should be doing it so it should be i see this i call it like the queen's medicine you know
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how did the queen live to be you know or mid-90s queen mom lived to be 101 or two yeah like that
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because they had personal care that was looking at them all the time on this level, you know,
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not just like an annual, but, and, and honestly, having known some super rich, like mega billionaires
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in my media career, they all have somebody who's looking at this stuff all the time.
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I saw this one guy, super billionaire at this event I went to two years ago. And, uh, this is
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a swanky event. We were there for a few days put on by, you know, another billionaire, but not
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notwithstanding billionaire number one had brought all of his food with him yeah you know
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like he was at that level where he was being advised at that level on his health and the
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reason i'm mentioning this is because all these people who have money or royalty or whatever
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they're invested in making sure it's one-on-one care someone's looking at their markers advising
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them on what they're putting in their body it's not just like try to eat better get a little
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exercise don't smoke or drink so much right it's much more great much more creative yeah so that's
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But you're like with functional medicine and with your program too, you can get this without being a billionaire, without being royalty.
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So Function Health, you know, I'm one doctor and it's going to take a generation to change medicine or two maybe.
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And that's where we created Function Health, which is a health platform that's personalized, allows you to understand your own biology, be proactive, be the seal of your own health.
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and we're learning so much about what's going on underneath the hood for the population that
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never had been done before we now have over i think 180 000 members or have over 20 million
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data points on these people we can see trends like the severe metabolic crisis we're having
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in america with high levels of insulin and blood sugar and a1c and also their lipids which which
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we do in a very deep way to look at their cardiovascular risk that traditional doctors
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don't do less than one percent of all tests or for this special new advanced lipid profile
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and less than 1% of all doctors measure insulin,
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which is the most important test you want to know
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if you're going to live a long time and be healthy.
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Yeah, pre-diabetes, but it's not just pre-diabetes.
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It causes heart attacks, strokes, cancer, dementia.
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And so we're seeing all these amazing things that people didn't know they have,
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33% have an autoimmune biomarker, which is sort of amazing to uncover
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Well, the vaccine and even just COVID has led to this long COVID phenomena,
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And we're also seeing nutritional deficiencies.
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Over 70% of our population has deficiencies in nutrients
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at the minimum level to prevent a deficiency disease.
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No, that happened to my husband's good friend on Wall Street
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Went to the doctor, they're like, you have scurvy.
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where we have what percentage of the population now that's obese?
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So we see this double burden of obesity and malnutrition at the same time,
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We're seeing zinc deficiencies, folate deficiencies, iron deficiencies,
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And what people don't realize is that these nutrients are the basic lubricants
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that oil the wheels of your metabolic machinery.
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For every 10% of your diet that's ultra-processed food,
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And then the bad omegas are the sixes, which you can get in like vegetable oil.
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And unfortunately, the average kid has a ton of omega sixes in their potato chips and all this.
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They're not really necessarily balancing them out.
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And then if you do try to balance them out with seafood or fish, the odds are, if you just get it from the grocery store, it's riddled with mercury.
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You have to get like wild caught salmon or like herring.
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But not just any salmon, it has to be wild-caught Alaskan salmon, mackerel, anchovies, and sardines.
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Have you been to Russ and Daughters in New York?
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Have you ever opened up a tin of sardines and actually eaten fish right out there?
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Yeah, the bones are great because sardines are one of the superfoods out there.
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You've got calcium from the bones, which is highly absorbable.
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You've got a rich source of omega-3s that are great for your brain health and many other things.
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And you've got choline, which is also critically important for your brain.
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Yeah, you can say sardine supplements for sure.
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Well, actually, I just heard something interesting because I was taking fish oil capsules for a while since I eat no fish.
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But then somebody's like, you know, you got to watch that too because be careful who you buy it from.
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Right, because they too could just be getting it from mercury-infested fish.
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So you're basically taking two mercury capsules every night.
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But they filter it, they purify it, and you can look at the before and after testing and see if it's got mercury.
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But anyway, so that's just one of the many lists that you gave that your kids are doing.
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I cross-examined him for four hours over vaccines.
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That's how, that's part of his resurrection story.
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He had answers for all of his critics' questions about him,
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no, I have not maintained that vaccines cause autism,
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But I think that we need to look at the toxic stew the children are growing up in as a potential cause of autism.
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And what's in the vaccines, like the extras in the vaccines, like mercury or aluminum, should also be factored into that discussion.
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But he listed it for me in this discussion saying, look at all the things that kids are going through that were not present when I was a kid.
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He was talking about like tics and ADHD, like everywhere, autism spectrum diagnoses all over the place.
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and the absence of cauliflower and broccoli and kale
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that might help absorb some of the terrible shit
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we're allowing the kids to treat their bodies like dumpster fires yeah it's absolutely true i mean
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you know when you look at what happened from when i was born in 1959 it was a long time ago
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not that long to to now the change in our chronic disease epidemic is staggering the change in
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autism rates have gone from one in 10 000 to one in 30 something kids depending on where you look
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at the data the the rate of neurodevelopmental issues has gone and now affecting one in six
01:14:41.360
children we have we have rising rates of autoimmune disease and allergies and kids we're
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seeing obviously obesity in kids which never saw before i mean when i was in medical school there
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was no type 2 or type 1 diabetes it was juvenile onset or adult onset then kids started getting
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it now 30 plus percent of teenage teenagers have pre-diabetes or type 2 diabetes it's staggering
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and so the question is why why has this happened what's changed in our culture and our environment
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and in the food well we've industrialized our food system we've made convenience king we've
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The food industry has basically taken over, and when I say food, I mean the food and ag
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industry have taken over our society in ways that are pervasive and actually measurable.
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They fund 12 times as much, quote, nutrition research as the federal government.
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They fund academic associations like the American Heart Association, which gets $192 million
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They fund the Academy of Nutrition Dietetics, which 40% of their revenue comes from the
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food companies and when you go to their meetings and i've been there i've spoken there there's like
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big exhibit halls that say no pictures allowed why because it's full of junk food and they're
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promoting to the nutritionist as sort of healthy alternatives you know and and so uh you've got
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them creating front groups like the american council on science and health that is is actually
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some of those guys have been in jail for medicare fraud and they're a bunch of quacks who are funded
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by big tobacco big food big ag and say they pesticides trans fats and africanous corn syrup
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are all healthy for you and then they fund social groups like NAACP and Hispanic Federation to get
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them to oppose things like soda taxes which we can argue is good or bad but they they want to
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lie themselves so they don't push back on them and they target those groups more directly than
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than other groups in society by the way remiss if we didn't mention they also fund our lawmakers
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yeah well I was about to say that and they're the biggest they're their biggest lobbying group so
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they fund huge amounts of miseducation and misinformation on both sides neither party
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isn't immune from this the republicans are just as corrupt as the democrats are and taking money
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from these groups and voting according 100 i mean i i roger marshall who's now the head of
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maha caucus in the senate uh i called him out in my book food text i said you know there was a
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a panel on chronic disease and a hearing in congress and he was emphasizing it was just
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exercise that was the issue it wasn't diet at all and he was you know funded by the
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confectioner association of the show and i and i and now we become friends and i said listen roger
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are trying to make it such that people cannot use food stamps to buy soda.
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You know, to try to encourage our poorest Americans
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when they need food stamps to use them for high-nutrition foods
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And tooth and nail, the soda companies are fighting this.
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It's worth something like $60 billion a year to them.
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And this just happened in Arizona where there was a bill to remove soda from the things you could buy with food stamps, with SNAP.
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And the bill failed to make it out of the Health and Human Services Committee in the Arizona legislature by a vote of 6-6.
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for SNAP recipients who have social determinants
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eat. The thing is that the general public would consider
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If the government tries to define in state statute what's a good food and what's a bad food, it's very, very complicated.
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We are not going to subsidize sugary drinks and candy for our kids.
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And frankly, these two speakers before me should be ashamed of themselves.
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It's hard to imagine how those guys go to sleep at night saying what they say.
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I mean, it's, to say there's no connection between sugar and-
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It's social factors that's causing all the obesity amongst the people.
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And by the way, it's affecting all sectors of society, not just the poor, but-
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Last I checked, J.B. Pritzker is pretty rich, and he's morbidly obese by anyone's standards.
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But when you look at SNAP or food stamps, it's called Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program,
01:19:17.440
but it's really about food security, which means you can have calories.
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So you can eat 2,500 calories of soda a day, and that's enough to fuel your metabolism.
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And it's not nutrition security, which is what we need in America, which is providing enough nutrients to people who have also food insecurity.
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And when you look at SNAP, 20% of Coca-Cola's U.S. profits come from food stamps.
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And the people don't realize that we pay for the problem multiple times.
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There's a new kind of concept called the commercial determinants of health,
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which is how multinational and transnational corporations privatize profits
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and socialize the cost of suburb public health.
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We pay like probably four times, for example, for the food.
01:20:10.080
We pay for the farmers to grow the corn that makes the high-fructose corn syrup
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that goes in the soda then we pay for the soda but snap and then we pay for medicare medicaid on
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the back end to deal with the chronic diseases like diabetes that result from it and who's paying
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for the environmental consequences of how we grow the food using uh methods that disrupt our soil
01:20:29.520
the loss of soil organic matter we've lost a third of all our topsoil soon we're going to lose all of
01:20:34.140
it the amount of water resources we use to to irrigate which are which are because the farming
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methods don't retain water in the soil for every one percent organic matter you retain 25 000
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gallons of water per acre so we're losing huge amounts of our of our water infrastructure and
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we're also poisoning the rivers and lakes because all the neuroelectrician fertilizer flows down to
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them and causes the overgrowth of algae which sucks all the oxygen out and kills the fish and
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so we have dead zones the size of new jersey in the gulf of mexico or america whatever i call it
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now and there's 400 of those around the world that feed half a billion people and then we lose
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biodiversity. 75% of pollinators are gone. So the list goes on. Who's paying for all that? Who's
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paying for the bees being destroyed? Who's paying for the water being destroyed? Who's paying for
01:21:13.820
the fish being destroyed? So basically it's us. This is the part of the conversation where I just
01:21:18.260
want to open up a bag of Doritos. I give up. I give up. I can't. There's no winning. We're
01:21:24.060
probably inhaling enough microplastics to kill us right now. It's like, by the way, that was
01:21:28.120
another thing I learned in preparation for today. The average person, is it here? The average person
01:21:32.680
now today um has this is from uh it was on the it was in the new york times today on micro
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microplastics the human brain samples from 2024 had nearly 50 50 percent more microplastics than
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brain samples from 2016 they estimate there are five bottle caps worth of plastic in the average
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can't be good can't be good five bottle caps can't spare it no and it was so so it's overwhelming
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like the farming that let's just start there you know that's what like casey and cali have been
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saying we need regenerative farming, which I don't really totally understand. But it seems like it's
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going to be really hard to make the farmers do that and really expensive. And when I sat in on
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those RFKJ confirmation hearings, even the Republican senators seemed to be like a little
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like, I'm totally for you, except when it comes to the farmers. Yeah. Well, the thing is the farmers
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are a big voting base. And so you don't want to lose them. But you also want to take care of them
01:22:25.740
because when you look at farmers in this country, suicide rates are higher than almost any population,
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chronic disease rates, Parkinson's, cancer because of how they're farming.
01:22:36.580
They're really marginalized in terms of their way they're stuck between the bank loans,
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the crop insurance, and the seed and chemical companies that they have to buy the seeds and the chemicals from.
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The economics are there to convert farms that are industrial farms to regenerative farms.
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and this has been well shown in a movie coming up
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I think it's going to be released in about a week on Amazon.
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And he started reading Thomas Jefferson's journals.
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And in the journals, it explained how he used methods to restore the ecosystem, to use natural pest control methods, to actually use methods that actually restore soil, that retain water, that do all the things we want to do.
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And Gabe Brown has demonstrated this on his 5,000-acre farm in North Dakota and has actually makes 20 times as much money, restored the soil, doesn't use irrigation, doesn't need to use chemicals, produced much more food, much more nutrient-dense food.
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And it's all been well-documented through science.
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It's just a matter of how do we transition farmers?
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I mean, private equity is in paying farmers to convert
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because they know they're going to get a return on the back end.
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and they're going to make more money than industrial farmers.
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Each blade is as long as a football field and several tons.
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And you get up to hundreds of them in a wind farm.
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Anyway, we have a summer home along the Jersey Shore,
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and they're about to get pummeled by one of these wind farms,
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Thank God for Trump for stopping most of them in progress.
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But in any event, all the money that Obama and Joe Biden
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have been funneling into wind and solar energy,
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Why don't we funnel that into American farmers
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to help them switch over to regenerative farming?
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for the environment, for the climate, for energy.
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People don't realize it's a huge amount of the inputs
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okay so regenerative farming is definitely one of the things now what happens when the average
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patient comes in to see you like you do the blood tests and where do you start like what for the
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average listener like what are the top five because they don't know how to read their blood tests
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you know i i am consider myself a relatively sophisticated consumer in this department i
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don't know how to read my blood tests i know you're supposed to look at the hdl and the ldl
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and beyond that i don't really know right right right so what what should the average person be
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looking at what's one of the most important things well i you know i think we've had this
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edifice in medicine where the doctor is the gatekeeper and the healthcare system is the
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gatekeeper between you and your own biology and i believe that needs to be changed and people
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should be empowered to know what's going on in their bodies and to have the information to
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interpret it and that's really why we co-founded functional health was to allow us to break down
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that barrier to allow a personalized health platform to allow you access to your data and
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then to know what to do about it what does it mean yeah and and do you give them a code a code i mean
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like you have all the numbers now after your blood tested through function but like now what do you
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do yeah how do you figure out what it means essentially we're we're building the engine and
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we have tens of thousands of pages of content that educates people about what it means what to do
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about it what the root cause or so let's say you have a positive autoimmune antibody in a traditional
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healthcare system you say okay you're going to go to the rheumatologist they're going to see if they
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can diagnose you with some autoimmune disease and then they're going to give you an anti-inflammatory
01:27:13.640
drug that's going to suppress your immune system whether it's a steroid or a biologic that costs
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50,000 dollars a year they're not going to go why is this abnormal so we guide you through an
01:27:21.880
understanding of what it means and why is this potentially an issue is it because you're you
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have a leaky gut and your microbiome is messed up is it because you're eating gluten and it's
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driving that autoimmune biochemistry or is it because you're exposed to environmental toxins
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And then we say, here's how you further investigate.
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And here's the kinds of doctor you want to see.
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that Dr. Bredesen says about preventing Alzheimer's.
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that drive all the chronic disease we're seeing.
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and not enough of the good stuff that our bodies need.
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which is essentially what functional medicine is,
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So I had a patient come in and she had psoriatic arthritis.
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and joints were swollen, you know, the heartbreak of psoriasis.
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But she also had terrible heartburn and reflux.
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And she was, you know, 50-issue business coach.
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And I said, gee, you know, what are all these things, how are all these things related?
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Instead of, you know, seeing the best doctors, which she did at Cleveland Clinic, the best doctors in rheumatology, the best migraine doctor, the best GI doctor, the best depression psychiatrist.
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And she was seeing the best of every class and got the best of the state-of-the-art current model of treatment, which was just pharmaceutical drugs.
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why do you have this not what disease do you have not what drug do i give but why and then we
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investigated because she had all these gut issues a lot of your immune system is in your gut and so
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i cleaned up her gut i got rid of the bad bugs i gave her an antibiotic and antifungal restored
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her microbiome with probiotics gave her some fish oil and vitamin d came back six weeks later and
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she's like doc everything's gone well i lost 20 pounds my psoriasis gone my arthritis is gone
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my migraines are gone my depression is gone i feel great my irritable bowel reflux are gone
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and i stopped all my medications i'm like i didn't tell you to do that she's like no i just was
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feeling so good i stopped them and so once you understand how to unlock someone's health and give
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them the roadmap they can do it have you seen this in children too yes of course i mean i'm a family
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doctor and i've treated you know thousands and thousands of kids and and it's just so disturbing
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to me when i see the kinds of things that really are affecting these kids i mean i had one little
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girl who was uh 10 years old and she had this horrible autoimmune condition that was triggered
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by her eating crappy sugary diet that was causing tons of yeast overgrowth in her gut she also had
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gluten antibodies that were causing some injury to her gut lining that can trigger autoimmunity
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she also loved sushi which was weird for a kid but she left a lot of mercury laden tuna she was
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eating a lot of that so she had mercury toxicity and we basically reset her gut we put on elimination
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diet i gave her some things to get rid of the the overgrowth of yeast in her gut and i gave her
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chelation to get rid of the mercury and she had something that was she was on like 1200 milligrams
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of solumedrol which is like a horse dose of steroids well every three weeks intravenously
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she was on chemo drug called methotrexate she was on like drugs to help with her rain nose and other
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their gut issues so calcium channel blockers she was on a whole list of things aspen because she
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had more blood clotting she's on a pile of drugs and and she really couldn't function really very
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well and she completely fixed it she's 100 better and you know i checked with her 10 years later
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she's doing great you know she's gone to college and is really healthy and so we we see that if
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because it helps us leaf frog over the current medicine,
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and forgive me if you weren't the one with this story,
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So, I mean, we hopefully can show this on the show,
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And this is what first got me to realize that what was happening in the body
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It wasn't just the mind-body effect, but the body-mind effect.
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And many of our psychiatric illnesses are caused by dysfunctions that we can treat,
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not with ADD medication, which is now prescribed.
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Yeah, I mean, and this kid had ADD, but he had also all these other issues.
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He had asthma, and he had allergies, and he had stomach aches,
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and he had headaches, and a whole list of stuff.
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But at 12 years old, you couldn't even read it.
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Is it so strange that a mother who would be like taking all those doctors and like having.
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She didn't like it, but she's like doing the best she could.
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It doesn't even occur to you that maybe it's nutrition.
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I think for a lot of people, it doesn't even occur to you.
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Especially with a child who you think can process anything no matter what you do.
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And two months later, the mother brings him back and he's doing better at every level.
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But what was so striking to me was his handwriting before and after.
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She showed me his handwriting from his homework.
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And it was at that moment I go, wow, how did his brain go from being chaotic and dysfunctional and not synchronizing properly to being kind of functioning and organized and structured so that he can actually function in the world and not have ADD and his handwriting go back to normal?
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Because it wasn't like I gave him a handwriting class.
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And that led to me writing this book called The Ultra Mind Solution, which is how to fix your broken brain by fixing your body first.
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And now there's departments of metabolic psychiatry at Stanford,
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You guys, Chris Palmer, who's a Harvard professor,
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you could cure schizophrenia on a ketogenic diet.
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And now there's a $3 million grant that just got given to Mayo
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to study ketogenic diets and severe mental illness
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Instead of understanding that this is something that actually
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is because our biology is just not functioning properly.
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After we had, you know, did you watch that round table that they had in the U.S. Senate with Ron Johnson and Callie and Casey were there?
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And the Atlantic did a big write-up of it after and called it the Woo-Woo Caucus.
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They were so dismissive and disgusting about these ideas being discussed in a serious way.
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And that's what we're up against is that, you know, you start to say, like, maybe we can head off schizophrenia with diet.
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Yeah, but this is actually looking at academic medical centers.
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Like they're looking at these things seriously because the data is there.
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And so, you know, Max Planck, who was a physicist, said, you know,
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scientists doesn't advance by convincing your opponents and helping them see the light,
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but because a new generation grows up that's familiar with it.
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In other words, medicine advances one funeral at a time.
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And Thomas Kuhn wrote about this in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions,
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People basically just have this very fixed view
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We just think autism was caused by refrigerator mothers,
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And the guy who actually was a gastroenterologist
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He's in the stomach that there was this bacteria hanging around.
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The whole gastroenterology field just made him a joke.
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He got his partner to scope him before and after.
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He took antibiotics, cured the ulcer, and then proved it.
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So, you know, what one day seems like a quack, the next day is actually standard of care.
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As opposed to completely change the way you eat
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I mean, it's so hard to do, Megan, in our environment
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We have a toxic wasteland of nutrition that we live in.
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We don't need to move our bodies at all if we don't want to.
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these are just fundamental things that the human organism needs to have in order to thrive and
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you know we we take care of our dogs and our animals and our horse race horses in ways that
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we you know in ways that are are so much better than we take care of ourselves like we wouldn't
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feed our our million dollar racehorse a mcdonald big fries and a coke we'd feed it to our kids
01:36:26.580
right right well i was thinking about what you just said uh about how we're just not set up
01:36:30.640
you know for success here and the family went to scandinavia in june we did sweden norway and
01:36:37.360
denmark and they're all basically the same country but in terms of their approach to lifestyle and so
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on but in denmark they have it set up there there's there's some waterways there and they
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have it set up so that almost every office building has a stairway down to the water
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yeah and it's encouraged that on your lunch break you walk in you would go take a swim yeah you
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would go downstairs you'd eat outside and it's cold there they know that but they all bike to
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work. First of all, everybody bikes, even the royalty in Denmark and Sweden, they bike around
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a very sort of mobile culture. And then think about it. If you went to the office and the
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office culture was during lunch, we eat healthy. We go outside, we swim in the water. And then
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there are showers to shower off. When you get back into the office, you have a 90 minute break
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where you can do all of that. And then back to work. We're the opposite. We're like, what the
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hell were you doing away from your desk for 90 minutes for 90 seconds you know scandinavia no
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we're the usa we produce you know we're the envy of the world in terms of our production and so on
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that's our mindset there are some benefits to it but in the health department not not really no no
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it's it's uh it's very disturbing i mean when you look at it as compared to every other country
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we're we spend more than twice any other nation on health care which is almost five trillion dollars
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one in five dollars of our economy it's the federal government pays for 40 of that and it's
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one in three federal dollars so we're footing the bill and and we have we're 48th in life expectancy
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i think cuba and albania are better than us oh my god albania i think so maybe they don't have
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good records but like that when you look at the list like what are we doing here at the bottom
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of the list and i mean trump on joe rogan he showed the number one reason for that what's
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the number if you had to pick one i think it's it's it's our it's our uh diet ultra processed
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foods yeah it's it's the it's the uh takeover of the american food supply by the industrial food
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system yeah and chemicals everywhere i mean like within that what's the number one culprit ultra
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process i think chemicals i think it's sugar and starch sugar and starch and then you can add in
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the chemicals and all the rest of it and by the way is is is bread um it's bread bad is bread
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basically sugar yeah well actually the glycemic something called the glycemic index which is how
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much a given food raises your blood sugar is based on white bread so that's a hundred so that's the
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highest sugar is actually 80 because it's made up of fructose and glucose but it's a little bit
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trick because fructose doesn't raise your blood sugar but but they both have the same yeah below
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the neck your body cannot tell the difference between a bowl of cereal or a bowl of sugar
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wow no or a loaf of bread or a loaf of bread you keep it's just the same thing so when you eat
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white bread you're basically eating sugar and and the american population consumes 152 pounds of
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sugar and 133 pounds of flour per person per year that's almost three quarters of a pound
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per day you know i mean the the diet carry guidelines which need to be fixed and i'm
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working on that with a non-profit good that 10 of our diet they say can be sugar that's 12
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teaspoons in an average 2,000 calorie diet for a kid the average kid's eating 36 teaspoons of
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sugar a day well that and that's a pharmacologic dose cali or casey one of them was saying at the
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the turn of the 20th century, you know, the 1900 or so,
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Well, you know, when the World Health Organization
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tried to reduce the recommended amount of sugar
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to 5% of your diet from 10% in the recommendations,
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we're going to pull our $400 million of funding from you
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I mean, that's how powerful the food industry is.
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They have infiltrated every aspect of our society.
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Not to mention that they're basically accounted
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for most of the marketing and TV besides pharma.
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in this, Megan, 14% of adults and kids are biologically addicted to food. This is according
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to the Yale Food Addiction Scale. It's a scientifically evaluated metric for looking
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at food addiction. And I'm not talking about just like, oh, I love cookies because I love
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cookies, but like people who really can't stop, like an alcoholic. That's staggering.
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And these companies know this. They've designed the food to be like this. The tobacco companies
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bought in the 70s a lot of the food companies like RJ and Hrabisco and Philip Morris Craft,
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right? Yes. They got out of cigarettes and into crackers.
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And they engineered these foods with taste institutes where they hired craving experts to create the bliss point of food, to create heavy users.
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And in fact, they actually take little two-year-olds and put them in MRI scanners to see which images will light up their brain in their pleasure center.
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So they'll say to their mommy when they go to the grocery stores, buy this, buy that, give me the cocoa pebbles or whatever it is.
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I was just thinking about my little guy today at breakfast who was like, mom, there's this meal service that will deliver the meals pre-made if you want to sign on to that.
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who brought it to me at the breakfast table, right?
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Like they're definitely marketing to the right people.
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So one of the biggest drug companies in the world
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bought one of the biggest chemical companies in the world
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and they basically on one hand caused the disease and then they on the other hand treat it with the
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drugs it's a good business model it's a great really scares me because one of the things you
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don't think about even if you try to eat healthy back to that guy who's carrying around his food
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everywhere that billionaire yeah is what about when you go out to eat you don't know what about
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when your kids go to school you don't know i mean it's true i mean you can you know have your own
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garden in the backyard but you want to eat if you're out on the road i mean like you and i are
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yeah it's harder people are busy yeah it's it to the point of it's it's also overwhelming yeah it's
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all but you know megan there's not an act it's not an accident that americans have been
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disenfranchised from their own kitchens this is a deliberate plan by the food industry to make
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convenience king happened in the early 60s they were worried about the advent of this woman named
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betty who was a home ec teacher was teaching about families how to cook and grow gardens
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and actually do the things that are not that hard
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And so the food industry freaked out about this
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Next year you tell me Aunt Shemima's not real.
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But Betty Crocker cookbook, if you remember it,
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because you probably had it in your mom's kitchen.
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Add one can of Campbell's cream of mushroom soup to your casserole.
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But it was like they insinuated all this crap into our diet.
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We got Fleischman's margarine and Tang and all these foods that were.
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And it turns out that this was not an accident.
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This was a deliberate attempt to sort of, you deserve a break today.
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And women's lib also kind of facilitated that because I'd get women out of the kitchen and women's liberation.
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And then no one was in the kitchen at all.
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And so we now have generations of Americans who don't know how to cook, who don't know basic life skills.
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I did a movie years ago called Fed Up, which was, I think it's on Netflix.
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It was about childhood obesity, and it was talking about these issues.
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And as part of the movie, I went down to South Carolina into one of the worst food deserts in America.
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In Easley, South Carolina, I worked with a family of five who lived in a trailer on food stamps and disability.
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So I had very limited resources and very limited access to good food.
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The father was already at 42 on dialysis for kidney failure from type 2 diabetes.
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He's like, Dr. Ryman, am I going to be 100% body fat?
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And I said, I'm not going to give them a lecture.
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i'm going to go to their kitchen and i'm going to show them what's in their their pantry i'm going
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to show them what's in their freezer and in their fridge and i'm going to help them understand the
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things that are harming them because they're thinking they're trying to do the right thing
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because they want the father to lose weight or they can't get a new kidney so rather than give
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them a lecture i taught them how to cook a simple meal called and it was from a little guidebook
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called good food on a tight budget food that's good for you good for your wallet good for the
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planet and it was like cheaper cuts of meat cheaper vegetables i mean you know stuff that
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you know would be considered sometimes peasant food that my family grew up on and i i did it
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with them and i didn't know it was going to happen and the mother texted me a week later she says we
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lost 18 pounds as a family in a year they lost 200 pounds you know they didn't even have cutting
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boards and knives everything was you know microwaved or whatever and and they did it and
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they learned how to cook and they i gave them a cookbook and was just it was like i was like wow
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we're one meal away from transforming society i realized i had a bias i had a judgment i thought
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people who are overweight and i bought the implicit bias in medicine which is eat less and
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exercise more meaning it's your fault you're fat you're a lazy glutton and it's your fault so get
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your shit together yeah but that's not true because people are hijacked their biochemistry
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is hijacked their brains can't hijack their metabolism hijack their hormones are hijacked
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their immune system hijacked their microbiome is hijacked and that drives you into this disease
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state that we have in america today and so in this kid was a 16 year old he lost 50 pounds had to go
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get a job and there was no place to get a job except fast food places on there he gained 50
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pounds back no he's just like putting an alcoholic to work in a bar yeah you know totally and then
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he he he texted me later he's like hey would you help me and i helped him he lost 132 pounds
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first kid in his family to go to college finished college email me say hey dr hyman would you write
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me a letter of recommendation for medical school and now he's a doctor oh my god so chills and i
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yeah that's to me that story is is is uh emblematic of the fact that we're literally one meal away
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and Paul Farmer did this with TB and AIDS in Haiti.
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and these drugs are complicated to take back then
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I have the idea we should take all the DEI instructors who are about to lose their jobs and train them in nutrition and send them into all communities and educate people on how to eat well.
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I was at Cleveland Clinic, and there was a hospital there that takes care of a big African-American community that's very underserved.
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And we had a cooking class, and I thought a few people would show up.
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I need it just to make food, period, never mind healthy food.
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All right, we're going to take a quick break, and we will be back with Dr. Mark Hyman after this, plus a special function health discount for our audience.
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And for $1.37 a day and less with your discount, you get deep insights about what's going on with your biology from your metabolic health and how your blood sugar regulation is to your cardiovascular health, your hormones, to environmental toxins like lead and mercury, to deep analysis of your nutritional status.
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just things that you're, I mean, we literally work with Quest
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and we broke their testing for essential fatty acids
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for omega-3 machines because we were doing such a volume.
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which is quite amazing to look at cancer detection.
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We found one in 180 of our members who's tested
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And it's more accurate than many other screening tests we have.
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And it's something that should be available to everybody.
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but you get deep insights about what they mean.
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digital it's not visual visually like presented in a graphic way that helps you understand where
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your trend lines are and function has all that but more importantly it really has the deep insights
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that are formed by all the scientific literature in the world i mean imagine your dr miller read
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every scientific paper that was ever published right right now technology can do that right
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imagine having the knowledge experts informing what things mean from all domains and imagine
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it being formed by your data your personalized data so you actually can understand what it means
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for you and then what to do about it and how to act on it to up level your health what happens if
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i have a question like who do i call well we're still building the platform because we literally
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launched two years ago we have a success that we never quite imagined but we're building a chat
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where you can interact with your own data and ask questions but but um you can go to your family
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doctor you can you know go on on to learn more from the platform itself because there's so much
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you're not dispensing medical advice there but you are giving people tools to go well we're
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our own deep insights about what things mean and there are there are medical insights but we're
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not telling you what to do or not to do but but well this leads me to my other important question
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which is how do people find a functional medicine doctor good question we need more of them but i
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think part of the reason i co-founded function was that there aren't enough there's you know
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thousands there should be hundreds of thousands of practitioners so that millions and millions
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of people can access this but before i die i didn't want to die not having functional medicine
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And so it's a way of leapfrogging over a period
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just as we now don't any longer do blood leeches
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or we don't have like drill holes in people's skulls
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And it's going to, the scientific paradigm, it's going to come to pass.
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This makes it exciting to go to med school in today's day.
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This is a way of truly healing people and helping people get better as opposed to just you're going in, you're going to be governed by the insurance companies.
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You've been upper limited on how much you can make and how much you can help.
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And doctors need to learn about, like, I mean, food is the biggest cause of disease and the biggest cure.
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In Texas, I was testifying in front of the Health and Human Services Committee about a bill that was to actually start to educate doctors about nutrition and to mandate it in medical schools and in graduate medical education residencies.
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I'm so excited about that because that'll be a domino effect.
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Once state starts to do it, it'll sort of be a trend.
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And then we can actually start to train the new generation of doctors that is in the right paradigm.
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Because there's so many people who can do this short of getting an MD, which would be more accessible and more affordable for a lot of people, too.
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So you've mentioned it several times, the keto diet.
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No, I think I've looked it up, and it says it's more like fat.
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and this was first discovered in medicine with epilepsy,
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we found that if you took away all the sugar and starch
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If you look back at the history of medicine and diabetes,
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Everything, you know, lard, butter, everything.
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But what was fascinating back in the teens and 20s
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was medicine was actually prescribing ketogenic diets
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some problem with regulating blood sugar and insulin
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of us aren't, probably you and me are part of that 6%
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a gas burning car to a electric burning car and it's clean burning but now we're finding it's
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effective for reversing type 2 diabetes for treatment of alzheimer's for cancer uh siddhartha
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mukhaji may have heard of him he's a famous oncologist from columbia written a book called
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the emperor of all maladies when the pulitzer prize he's now doing research on ketogenic diets
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for end-stage cancer like melanoma and pancreatic cancer and seeing complete reversals what because
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Yeah, because basically cancer runs on sugar, but it's not like a hybrid engine.
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So you starve it of this carbs and cancer cells die.
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So across the spectrum, whether it's autism or Alzheimer's or cancer or type 2 diabetes
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or schizophrenia or depression or bipolar disease.
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How does this jive with the old eat food, mostly plants, not too much?
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I think you can do it on a plant-rich diet, and you can do it in a way that doesn't include a lot of junk.
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I mean, I think, you know, you have to understand that there are certain people who do better or do worse depending on their genetics.
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And so I had a patient who was overweight, who was struggling with lots of inflammation, who was pre-diabetic, whose cholesterol was like 300, which should be 200.
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Her triglycerides were 300, should be 100 or less.
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Her good cholesterol, we don't really like to call it good or bad,
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but the HDL was low, which is a sign of this metabolic dysfunction,
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I said, listen, why don't you try ketogenic diet, see what happens,
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and let's follow your numbers and see how you do.
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So depending on the person, it can be a very effective tool,
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Is that much fat bad for somebody who has heart disease in the family or something?
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There may be, but there's actually a paper coming out soon
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which looks at what we call lean mass hyper-responders.
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There are certain people who, when you have perfect metabolic health,
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in other words, you have no prediabetes or insulin resistance and no inflammation,
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and you're a fit athlete and you have basically a lot of lean mass
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when they consume high-saturated fat or ketogenic diets,
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they'll have a really dramatic increase in their ldl cholesterol now this is something that
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doctors have been trained is bad and that you immediately have a knee-jerk reaction to
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prescribe a statin drug which is the number one class of drugs sold in the world now some of
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these people have ldls not under 70 which cardiologists would like or even under 100
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which is their lab reference range but they have ldls of two three hundred four hundred five hundred
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seven hundred and they have no heart disease through imaging tests right because like the
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And so this is like a revolutionary new bit of data
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that's now emerging from the scientific literature.
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it can be transported through your body for energy and other sources so it's really it's
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fascinating the science is constantly evolving and i think for certain people ketogenic diets
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can be life-changing like life-changing i've treated schizophrenia with it alzheimer's with
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it autism with it depression with it obviously type 2 diabetes with it and you can reverse up
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to 60 to 70 percent of type 2 diabetes that's very advanced where people are on insulin
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when i was in medical school chronic diseases were chronic they never went away to reverse
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heart failure to reverse diabetes to reverse kidney issues to reverse hypertension these
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things don't happen in traditional medicine what about the thought of mixing the keto diet with
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mediterranean because that's the other one that everybody loves mediterranean well you can eat
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a mediterranean diet but that's not necessarily a ketogenic diet ketogenic is a very specific
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thing that happens in your body do you go on keto like forever i just some people do some people do
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um and they thrive on it other people don't do well on it so i think it's very like try it for
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a month and get your inflammation you need about you know usually six weeks to adapt to become fat
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adapted to your metabolism shifts over and then you can see where you're at and then check your
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numbers but you know there's a company called virta health that's reversing type 2 diabetes
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with an online program of ketogenic diets and not only have they seen 60 reversal not only
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they've seen 12 weight loss which is massive it's as good as any of these drugs that are out there
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now that men actually they've done a parallel study like comparing just you know their program
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whether it's a drug or whether it's a ketogenic diet.
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over 20 different cholesterol and heart disease risk factors,
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all got better by eating a super high fat diet, right?
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And again, so you're saying, but also saturated fat.
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And that's basically vegetable oil, shortening.
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You know how many things call for that, by the way?
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Having like a daughter who's in eighth grade,
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It tastes a little different, I confess, but it's healthier, I think.
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And so there's a tremendous amount of emerging data that saturated fats aren't the boogeyman we thought they were.
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It was a long history of a scientist named Ansel Keys in the 60s who basically did this study called the Seven Country Study,
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which showed that people who had higher levels of saturated fat had higher LDL and higher heart disease risk.
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So they were like, I was cherry picking a little bit.
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Do you see those memes online where they show Americans in the 1900s?
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And they're all, first of all, they're well-dressed.
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It's very rare to see an obese person, even in the United States 100 years ago.
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I mean, African-Americans in the 60s were healthier than white Americans.
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they were thinner and they had less disease now it's the opposite you know when we saw covid
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attack certain communities like yeah like new orleans or chicago and there were 70 percent of
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the deaths were from 30 percent of the population which was african-american and and when you've
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watched like uh there's a movie called amazing grace with the aretha franklin it was filmed in
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1970 in oakland there wasn't an overweight black person in the audience and she wasn't overweight
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wow and and you go like oh wow that's crazy and now 80 percent of african women are overweight
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and obesity rates and heart disease rates and hypertension rates and kidney failure rates
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far exceed and you can tie this to ultra processed foods and to the demonization of fat and and
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elevation of sugar yeah yeah and that was the problem and now we've kind of kind of reversed
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that trend and i think you know it's it's a it's a big uh sort of tanker ship to move but we we have
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to do it because we're not only threatening our personal health, we're threatening our national
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security. 70% or 77% of recruits for the military are rejected because they're unfit to fight because
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they're overweight or other reasons because of their diet. You've got global competitors being
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challenged. We're like 30 something in math and reading in the world because kids can't learn in
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school because they're all doped up on these drugs and eating sugar and these chemicals in the food
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that are causing ADD, behavior issues, and all sorts of things. And depression. I've heard you
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talk about this too this is like everybody you go to a therapist today whether it's you or a child
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the first thing i want to do is prescribe you something they want to get your college age kid
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hooked on a drug like that yeah they're like they've helped a lot of people there's no explanation of
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no one would ever ask what are you eating no no one no one it's true it's true i mean it's it's
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it's the most amazing thing to me because it's so obvious but as doctors we learn that you know
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disease really doesn't have anything to do with nutrition if you go to your rheumatologist
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of an autoimmune disease, it's nothing to do with nutrition.
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If you go to a GI doctor, I mean, I'm like, what do you mean?
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You're putting pounds of this foreign stuff in your mouth every day.
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How does it not impact what's going on in your gut?
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So, I mean, if you're feeling depressed or you're feeling anxiety,
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rule number one should probably be take a look at what you're eating.
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I mean, I have an incredible approach to one of my patients
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It's like hitting your body's factory reset button.
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and actually learn about it and do it if you want to.
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there's a 70% reduction in all symptoms from all diseases,
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but I've done this so many times with so many people
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Oh, I didn't know that this constant congestion I had
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I didn't know that this rash that I've got in my body
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all the time I can't get rid of is from what I mean.
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I didn't know that my stomach issues are related
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and take out the bad stuff and put in the good stuff,
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And I'm sort of shocked when I see it, and it's repeatable every single time.
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There's a lot of people who are on this carnivore diet.
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Yeah, the vegans and the carnivores on one side.
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No, we've got a good friend who's Argentinian, and he's like,
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every single member of my family had LDLs through the roof.
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Yeah, well, they had grass-fed steak in Argentina, and so there's no industrial.
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But when I was growing up in the 80s, I remember,
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And my fellow aerobics instructors were shaming themselves
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And I was like, oh, I didn't even know that was bad.
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Well, that was a result of this demonization of saturated fat.
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So if you eat that, you're basically going to kill yourself.
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So there's a whole era where people were eating very low amounts of meat
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And it didn't mean that all the disease rates went down.
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And what happened with meat is that we kind of got confused
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because a lot of the population studies that were done at that time,
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and population studies do not show cause and effect.
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And then it may be a cause or it may be a correlation.
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And what they found was that people who were meat eaters in those eras
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But when you look at the specifics of their behaviors,
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the meat eaters in those studies, they ate 800 calories more a day.
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And when you look at studies, for example, when they've done this with 11,000 people
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who shopped at health food stores who were either omnivores and ate meat or vegans or
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vegetarians, they both had their risk of death reduced in half.
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It's because they weren't eating all the crap, right?
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And the sugar, you know, I just noticed this the other day, but for example, my kids love
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you can get those uh like dark chocolate bars at whole foods i like the one that's like mint
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blackout in any event it's it if it's over 90 you know cacao yeah which is gonna mean it has
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less sugar you can have four squares of that chocolate yeah which is a decent size it's for
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the you know if you're watching this on youtube it's like about this big yeah maybe a little
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smaller but about around there and it's only five grams of sugar yeah like if you really have a jones
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which might have 30, even more grams of sugar in there.
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I mean, this is an example of how the food industry
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And we're trying to change front of package labeling
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if you say it has 39 grams of sugar or 40 grams you're not going to know what that means no and
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that's on purpose about four grams yeah okay that's on purpose right you know i mean you have
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to have a phd nutrition to decipher one of those labels right they make it so hard make it really
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hard so so i think you know in other countries they have better front of package labeling which
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is either red this is going to kill you yellow eat with caution green you can do as much as you
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want of it or you know they put warning labels in south america they have big like octagon stop signs
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with this is called crossbones yeah basically i mean i don't even in south america if you go to
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on a plane in south america you get your snacks it's like you can't eat any of them because they
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all have like three different giant stop signs on them with basically warning labels that's a good
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idea yeah i mean on a can of soda which is a diet soda they put in warning labels that says this is
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going to harm your kid this can cause neurologic issues and don't drink it don't feed it to them
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oh my god i mean great more like it yeah um our executive producer has a third grader he has two
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kids but one of them is in third grade and he has a question i bet a lot of our listeners have
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yeah which is what can you pack in a lunch that is healthy for a third grade child and frankly
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for most children because you try to send try to send your kid to school with a bag lunch or
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send your kid on a field trip with the other kid for the junk food you know and and yeah i i too
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don't know where to begin it's so hard they're not going to eat a salad first of all no you don't
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need a salad but they're you know it's real it should be real food and there's lots of yummy
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things that kids can eat that they like that aren't bad for them and what we need to do is
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stop putting lunchables and go-gurts and all these sort of industrially designed foods that
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aren't technically my doctor says yogurt is a lie right he doesn't mean non-fat greek yogurt
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he's talking about or full fat greek yogurt no no he's not talking about that he's not talking
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about you know yogurt that's not sugary yeah i mean people don't realize that you can get your
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like you know sweetened yogurt that's low fat that has more sugar per ounce than a soda yeah
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but you can you know what i i have this almost every day for breakfast i have i'll either get
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non-fat or two percent uh the phage fahe yogurt uh greek yogurt full fat megan can i get the full
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fat i don't know i i don't want to you know i'm a little worried you can um and i'll put like
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blueberries in there and i'll put some chia seeds in there and i'll put some hemp seeds in there
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i'm just i don't even know why i'm just told those are good for you they're protein i guess
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protein and good fats and sometimes i'll sprinkle just a little low sugar granola in there which
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you can get with no seed oils on it you gotta like granola now you gotta look for that but not
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too much because you don't want to like completely overload it with you know sugary products or
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whatever but it's so good yeah it it ties me over for hours and i love it and i know it's good for
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me and if you know if you make your home a safe zone you teach your kids about food you cook with
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them you show them what food's about that's what they learn okay but let's give them an actual
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possibility that could go in there what could be in their school lunch yeah what could go in
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I mean, like, you can make a sandwich out of healthy stuff, right?
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You could have, I'm just blanking now because I haven't packed my kids' lunch.
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Or can you do, like, the organic ones that you get at a...
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I mean, you could do that that are not, you know, deep fried in the middle.
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You know, the bologna sandwiches with mayo and...
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I mean, you shouldn't be putting a sandwich in there?
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I mean, you could if it's whole grain bread and, you know, you know the source of it.
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i think the kids need to eat real food and what's the problem is that they're not eating real food
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and there are there are great guides on how to do this um i'm i'm like blanking on school lunches
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because basically well an apple fruit cheese cheese can be fine okay with cheese yeah she's
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gonna be fine i prefer sheep or goat cheese what else steve what else do we need to know
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hold on see if there's a follow-up what what kind of meat yeah what kind of meat in the sandwich
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like real turkey sliced turkey roast real real like not deli no not deli turkey because that's
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like kind of ground up and mixed with all kinds of stuff like a chicken breast that you cooked
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yourself the night before in avocado oil something like that that's pasture raised yeah okay it's
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just so much harder than it should be you know it's like well the defaults are the wrong choices
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how do we make the defaults the easy choices and the right choices yeah i don't know i like even
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in the summers, I'm sure there are a lot of parents out there who can relate to this.
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The summers, the family eating goes to hell. The kids daily eating, because they're all over the
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place. You know, our kids go to this day camp and then they swing by the ice cream place that has a
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great menu, like a diner kind of place. And they're all eating just terrible food all day long.
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I don't even know what the alternative is. You know, like without hiring a chef to live in your
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house and come up with healthy options for all three meals, you know, they're eating bagel with
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cream cheese in the morning and then they're eating like a cheese steak for for lunch and
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then you know i'll get them for dinner but it's so hard it is it is and that's that's the whole
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point of what needs to change in our policies to to change the things from the top down so that
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we produce food that's healthier that we have clear labeling on foods that people know what
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they're getting that we have access in a way that we don't have now to healthier options and so
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those those things will take time and i think that's what the trump administration is trying
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to do i hope they succeed i think there's a sort of a tension between the usda and hhs because the
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usda basically is to support farmers and not necessarily support the health of americans
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and they essentially are creating all the diseases inadvertently that that health and human services
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and medicare and medicaid are having to take care of swift beware of the usda like the right hand
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is actually making the left hand jobs a lot harder so what what do you how do you like rfkj's chances
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of succeeding in this job given all these forces he's got a lot of forces right against him i mean
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there's a multi-trillion dollar industry that is basically wanting him to fail and that's
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threatened the food industry you know farming industry you know the pharmaceutical industry
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it's it's not a small thing and i think you know if president trump gets behind him and supports
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him i think if he's able to get clear on what his objectives are if he's able to sort of get on the
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low-hanging fruit and have the win the easy wins i think they'll win so for example getting all the
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additives and chemicals out of food is starting to happen now there's 30 plus bills around the
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country in different states some of them 10 of them i think are democrat led some most the rest
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are republican led and they're they're for example to get rid of the chemicals and dyes and food or
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to have snap waivers to get rid of soda and snap these things are happening to get nutrition
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education like in texas for doctors or you know stop punishing kids by restricting recess and
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jib you know like they need it uh there's things happening that are sort of the maha movement is
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sort of catalyzed this this groundswell that i i'm sort of shocked i mean i i never thought
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it's awesome i hear cali means drop it all the time he's like you're gonna tell the maha moms
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out there that you won't take sugar out and they're like it's great he's using it and he should
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yeah because the the maha mom thing is real like they're out there and they're pissed off about
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what's been done i'm a hundred percent mom happily and proudly because i i'm pissed off about what
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the what these industries have done to me to my family how hard they've made it for us all
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how expensive they've made it for us why and the government's been sort of in collusion a little
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bit yeah that's the problem why most people can't afford to shop at whole foods it's very expensive
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walmart is so hard to get a vegetable walmart is the biggest organic grocer in the country it is
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it is the biggest organic there's not a walmart near me that's why there are walmarts near most
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of underserved populations so i mean i i shopped at walmart and you know during covid i was helping
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different people who couldn't get food i would go get food i was like wow i can fill up in a giant
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like grocery cart full of real food that's good for 500 bucks grass-fed beef like a giant walmart
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carton like a regular grocery cart yeah not grass-fed necessarily but just like real food okay
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you know meat vegetables you know how important is the grass-fed thing in the hierarchy of things
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i think it's less important okay and it's more important to have regenerative agriculture to
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rebuild our soil and to sort of rebuild farms in terms of your health i think the kind of trade-off
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between eating real food and eating processed food i would skip the organic and i would skip
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I mean, this is my selling heresy, but in terms of like having a choice, if you can't afford it, I would always choose the real food versus the processed food.
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Back to RMKJ, they definitely want to destroy him.
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And so one of my feelings is for the next four years, hopefully he decides to keep the job that long, we need to be super wary of hit pieces on him because the odds are they've been planted by one of his detractors.
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Just in the news now, they're trying to blame him for this measles outbreak down in Texas.
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The New York Times published a piece on him years ago, taking him down, because this group called the American Council on Science and Health wrote a letter to Columbia to take him off the faculty because he was a quack.
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And there was, you know, like sort of eight or nine doctors on the letterhead that was from the American Council on Science and Health.
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When you look at who that group is, they're funded by the pesticide industry, by the big food manufacturers, by big pharma, by tobacco.
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And they basically say that pesticides, cigarettes, and trans fats are fine.
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Is it because he was pushing supplements on his show,
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And I was sort of shocked that the New York Times
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to figure out who these people were by Googling them
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And there's so many of these front groups out there
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who would not believe what they have to say, right?
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they're also funded in large part by pharma and food industry well why are why are pediatricians
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still pushing the flu vaccine on us and grown-up doctors too it's one of those things that i do not
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understand you know in medicine and science the whole point is to question your assumptions and
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science is based on hypotheses that challenge given assumptions so it's really about the
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questions when you start to ask questions about vaccines you're all of a sudden a heretic and
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Oh, YouTube's labeling our video right now.
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For real information about vaccines, go to the CDC.
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Yeah, you're excommunicated as a scientist, as a doctor.
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When I was at Cleveland Clinic, I had written an article years before I joined about a kid who had autism that I treated.
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And in the history, I said, this is the history.
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And this is the kid had, you know, born by C-section or took antibiotics or had gut issues or had this.
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And, you know, the mother said, and she was actually a VP at Pfizer, said, you know, by the way, you know, my kid had this MMR vaccine.
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and after that, he seemed to get regressive autism.
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at Cleveland Clinic and the pediatric department
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stating that you are 100% in support of vaccines
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I mean, young adults who got vaccinated more than once
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had a greater risk of myocarditis from the vaccine
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That's just, that's published in major peer-reviewed journals.
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so now you can say it because it's been published
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and so on but at the time when we were first seeing signs of it yeah and you had like pediatric
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cardiologists coming forward to say hold on i'm seeing this yeah you even then when they knew
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something might be developing they completely stifled debate or outing of those concerns that's
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that's when it was most needed yeah and but also most banned you know or like you couldn't talk
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about yeah it's kind of nuts i mean i i think it's just that we can't trust the american public to
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deal with a nuanced conversation, to teach them about the benefits and the risk, to help them
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understand the difference between sterile immunity and disease immunity. Sterile immunity is you get
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measles vaccine, you never get measles. Disease immunity is you get a vaccine like the flu vaccine
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or COVID vaccine, you reduce your risk of getting the disease or the severity of disease or
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hospitalization or death. That's a very different thing. So when they say it's safe and effective,
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that's a trope that doesn't make any sense. Nothing in medicine is safe and 100% effective
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or 100% safe. Whether it's getting an injection for a procedure, you can potentially get an
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infection you can get bleeding i mean i mean i had back surgery and i i you know after you know
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i had a huge bleed into my spine it was wasn't a doctor didn't do it on purpose but it was a
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complication that i yeah so there are benefits and risks to anything in medicine to any drug
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aspirin i mean we used to think aspirin was god's gift to mankind people were taking it every day
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everybody should take aspirin to prevent heart attacks and then the data started emerging as
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doctors continue to ask questions we should be asking questions oh let's look at this again so
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they looked at it again and they thought oh shit you know like it's actually causing more deaths
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in people who were at low risk for heart disease from brain bleeds and gi bleeds stomach bleeds
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than from preventing heart attacks so let's let's restrict the use of it to those who are at the
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highest risk which is what we should be doing in medicine constantly learning evolving growing
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but when it comes to vaccines you can't even ask the question so you know i i've been vaccinated
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i have my kids vaccinated i mean like i'm not anti-vaccine i think they're an important part
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of our medical arsenal but they're not like perfect and they have problems and we should
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be studying this yeah nothing is above uh questions yeah in medicine or shouldn't be and you know what
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we're in a new era where when people say it's it's it's it's debunked it's been settled and
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these are just things that are so anti-science right it's amazing those words should be retired
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exactly but i mean you look we're now we've got trump we've got bobby we've got jay batachari we
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got marty mccary like we're we're slowly but surely turning this aircraft carrier around but
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It's going to require like antenna for the attacks on them and voices.
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And we're going to have to get pissed off and follow the Cali means method of yelling at everybody.
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I got, that's like he said, about a dollar a day for your health, like actually to find out
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potentially if you have cancer, like this seems smart. Now let's talk about the weight loss drugs
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because it seems like one of the first things that Trump did in the Maha lane was to take them
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off of the Medicare and Medicaid two options. And, but that seems counterintuitive because
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being fat causes everything. It's true. It's, it's complicated. I mean, you know,
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Medicare Part D is the drug benefit for Medicare.
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If you treated all the obese people in Medicare with those MPIC,
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it would be, I think, $267 billion just for that.
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But wouldn't it then lower the cost of all the other things they need?
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But the question is, is there a different way to go about this?
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And what is going on with our food system and the causes of this?
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So it's easy to look for that quick fix or the quick jab that's going to solve all your problems.
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So when you take these drugs, one, you might feel nauseous and not feeling great.
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It makes you not want to eat because you don't feel good.
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And most people discontinue it after the first year.
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I mean, it's a big discontinuation rate because of the side effects.
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Not only that, those are short-term kind of short-lived side effects,
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but we see a 400% increase in bowel obstruction, which needs surgery.
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So there may be people debate that whether it's just in animals or not,
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And you see people losing half their weight as muscle.
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You get off the drug because most people stop it.
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So then you could be the same weight you were when you started.
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Your metabolism would be slower because muscle from seven times the calories is fat.
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So you need to eat less at the same weight just to maintain that weight.
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and I think this is something that we've talked about
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in some of the policy conversations we have had.
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it must be delivered along with a nutrition counseling program
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that makes you eat at least a gram of protein per ideal body weight.
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So let's say you're 120 pounds, you need 120 grams of protein.
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There's another word for it called toffee, not tofu.
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But if you had like a morbidly obese person come in to see you,
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Yeah, I think, you know, what did we do before this?
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who's been working on my nonprofit for years.
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She's now the first lady of West Virginia.
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I just saw another woman in Cleveland Clinic
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who had heart failure, type 2 diabetes, hypertension.
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tension. She had multiple stents put in. She had fatty livers. Her kidneys were starting to fail.
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I mean, she was on her way to a kidney and a heart transplant. And within three days,
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and this sounds crazy, but she was off her insulin by changing her diet. In three months,
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she reversed her diabetes. Her A1c, which is your average blood sugar, went from 11
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to 5.5, which is normal. Her heart failure reversed. We call it the injection fracture
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was how much blood you can pump out per minute. Again, that got back to normal from being low.
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Her kidneys got better. Her fatty liver went away. She got off her medications. She saved
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twenty thousand dollars in co-pay i don't know what you medicare was covering for her but that
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was her co-pay you save a lot of money and it's just about teaching people the basics of what to
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do and most people don't know like the family i was talking about this was the pre-ozempic era
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a lot of people know and they just they some people very hard some people do some people just
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don't know and i think you know that's what i i i have changed over the years i've i sort of
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believed like like i said earlier that people who are overweight or who have these conditions they
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know better but they just don't do it no it's more than that they don't know because the whole
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society has sort of made it hard for them to know i gotta ask you this is a different category but
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i gotta get this in emf and rf this is like should we be worried about it like wi-fi and yeah tooth
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and then and so-called dirty electricity coming out of your outlets yeah how big of an issue is
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it i don't know i don't think that there's a lot of good data i think there's some data that it
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When you think about it, we're electromagnetic beings.
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I mean, you know that if you go into certain areas, there's interference with your phone.
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So the stuff actually we know impacts our electromagnetic system.
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How it's linked to disease, how bad it is, I think it's very hard to understand or study
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because you can't do a randomized controlled trial with this.
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Wouldn't we all be coming down with cancer if exposure to Wi-Fi caused it?
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yeah i mean i mean everybody we are the thing is we are seeing increasing cancer rates so people
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say oh heart disease deaths have gone down yes because we have better treatments but
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has the incidence gone down no we've seen more people with heart disease more people with cancer
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more people with every single chronic disease alzheimer's diabetes you name it autoimmune
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disease it's getting worse across the board and so it's multifactorial it's not just one thing and
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could it be a factor yeah but i i think you think twice about having wi-fi in your house uh no i do
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are getting colon cancer at really alarming rates.
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and from the increased load of environmental toxins.
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and you mentioned you gave her antibiotics.
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So she had an overgrowth of bacteria called SIBO,
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which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.
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So sometimes you need to get rid of the bad guys.
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If Dr. Fauci would just say there's some Ozempic
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Every single woman on earth would be like,
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i'll take it i want all my boosters it's true but you know antibiotics have a role in medicine but
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we you know we way overuse them i mean there's 29 million pounds of antibiotics to use an animal feed
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to prevent infection from overcrowding there's about a couple of million that are used for
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humans for therapy so that's crazy antibiotic resistance it kills 700 000 people a year
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it's kind of a big issue and it's a big big problem but you know for certain indications
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for example like bowel overgrowth there's specific antibiotics are not absorbed that can be taken that
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are generally well tolerated and that you have to then rebuild the gut after so you know you have
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to how hard is it to rebuild the gut after an antibiotics course uh it's it's not that hard
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if you take probiotics if you eat healthy diet if you feed your microbiome phytochemicals and fiber
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it can come back okay yeah um i've been taking this like shot not not for antibiotics just
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everybody says it's supposed to be good for you,
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what is it, apple cider vinegar and some lemon.
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You take it and you're like, oh, is this important?
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I mean, it can be good to change the pH of your stomach,
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But I don't really like all that fermented stuff
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like sauerkraut and pickled this and pickled that.
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I'm not having sardines, and I don't love my vinegar drink,
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I mean, can I do that instead of the apple cider vinegar?
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I mean, like factory-farm cows that are pumpable antibiotics, hormones,
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Okay, so in sum, we need to detoxify ourselves.
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You mentioned lime, all the ultra-processed foods, bio-organic.
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I mean, if you could get a message out that's simple, it's like if it's a food that you can't recognize
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or make in your kitchen with the ingredients that you have in your kitchen, you probably shouldn't eat it.
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If you don't have butylated hydroxy toluene that you put on your vegetables or you shrink
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It's almost like you need to get rid of your pantry.
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I think we need a fridge biopsy for most people, a pantry biopsy, and we need to get rid of
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And I think that's the thing that most people can do.
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They can look at their kitchen, go through everything.
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And I've written a lot about this in my books, but how do you actually have a healthy pantry?
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How do you get rid of those things that are harmful?
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And if you go through there and look at the ingredients, if it's stuff you don't recognize,
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If you can't pronounce it, if it's in Latin, don't eat it.
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You know, like it has weird ingredients, like multitude.
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