The Megyn Kelly Show - Dr. Marty Makary and Dr. Mark Hyman - Megyn Kelly's ＂Double Feature＂ of Fascinating Interviews

00:00:00.400 All right, full-time thoughts. Craig, who stood out?

00:00:02.880 Brazil's lime cheesecakes started bright, didn't let up.

00:00:05.400 Nah, for me, Italian cappuccino was the standout in the box.

00:00:08.480 But if we're talking decadent performance, that's all France.

00:00:11.300 Chocolate creme brulee had the richest finishes.

00:00:13.680 Canadian fireworks really showed up big too.

00:00:15.700 And Mexico's caramel churro ice cap.

00:00:18.080 Gave me chills.

00:00:19.200 We are, of course, talking about Tim's taste of the globe lineup.

00:00:22.080 New globally inspired Timbits and ice cap flavors,

00:00:24.640 available at Tim Hortons for a limited time.

00:00:26.460 Pick some up today, and while you're at it, check out Footy Prime Daily.

00:00:30.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:41.980 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and today's double feature

00:00:46.280 special episode. Today, two health and wellness conversations. First, with Dr. Marty McCary,

00:00:52.300 back when he was the head of the FDA on the Maha priorities of the administration.

00:00:57.320 And then functional medicine doctor Mark Hyman, co-founder of Function Health, a really important conversation here in the studio.

00:01:06.300 Enjoy, and we'll see you Monday.

00:01:08.840 We are at the FDA today speaking with the new commissioner, Dr. Marty McCary.

00:01:16.400 I got to tell you, it was freaky walking into this building because they've been so demonized.

00:01:20.660 They've demonized themselves over the whole COVID regime and the craziness of the past five years.

00:01:26.060 To walk in here and look around, these are some of the people who participated in this, is sort of eerie.

00:01:32.880 But the good news is there's a new sheriff in town, and Dr. Marty McCary is the real deal.

00:01:39.800 He's a surgeon, scientist, has devoted his life to public health.

00:01:44.500 He's the son of a doctor. He's a doctor. He's at the Johns Hopkins Hospital.

00:01:48.420 He was performing surgery right up to the day he went in and started this job the day before.

00:01:54.780 So he's had a lifelong interest in medicine and in public health more generally,

00:01:59.820 and has been very honest about things that are controversial, like COVID,

00:02:05.340 and was an early seer on the things that the medical establishment was doing wrong

00:02:09.820 and was totally fearless in speaking out against it with absolutely nothing to gain and actually a lot to lose.

00:02:15.780 And that is how he became one of the trusted voices, along with Dr. Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford, who's running NIH.

00:02:24.220 And, of course, then there's Bobby Kennedy, not a doctor but a lawyer, who is atop them all as he runs HHS.

00:02:29.680 So this is Dr. McCary's first interview as FDA commissioner.

00:02:34.280 And there was a lot to cover.

00:02:36.560 Like, how is he going to deal with the people here who can't stand any of the men I just mentioned, not to mention President Trump?

00:02:45.060 and how are we going to actually start enacting the Maha agenda that Kennedy and Trump and others

00:02:51.820 have been pushing and talking about for so long when it comes to our food, never mind our drugs.

00:02:58.400 There's a lot to go over, including the corruption that has gone on here for a long time

00:03:03.140 with the revolving door of people working here, approving drugs, and then immediately going to

00:03:09.120 work at those drug companies. Working here and working with Big Pharma as they together decide

00:03:14.960 whether the latest drug should be approved. He's all over it. We get into all of it. Enjoy.

00:03:21.800 Commissioner. Megan Kelly, great to see you. I mean, you were just on my set and you were just

00:03:26.140 doctor. And now look at you. You could have stayed in the private sector, kept rolling in

00:03:31.100 pretty good money, and you decided to take this job, which is an amazing thing for America. But

00:03:37.760 why? Well, welcome to the FDA, Megan. It's great to have you out here. You know, we are not on a 0.78

00:03:44.440 good path as a country in terms of the health outcomes of the population. We do great with

00:03:49.760 sophisticated operations and amazing drugs that can treat certain kinds of lymphoma and other

00:03:55.940 types of cures. But when it comes to the health of the population right now, we have had this

00:04:02.400 massive area that we're not talking about that we need to be talking about. And that is the rise of

00:04:07.780 all these chronic diseases. We've got one in six women now affected with autoimmune diseases.

00:04:13.440 Half of kids are sick.

00:04:15.140 Pre-diabetes affects about 20% of teens.

00:04:18.400 70% of kids are not qualifying for the military.

00:04:20.640 So we've got to start talking about our problems and not just keep throwing medications at them.

00:04:26.780 Causes and not just possible cures, which often don't turn out to be anything of the sort.

00:04:33.080 So let me start here.

00:04:35.140 You've been here 17 days?

00:04:36.760 Day 17 today.

00:04:37.980 All right.

00:04:38.220 So what are the biggest things that you've learned so far?

00:04:40.540 What's jumped out at you as a civilian who now suddenly is in government service?

00:04:44.300 Well, I got to be honest with you.

00:04:45.280 I had a lot of emotions the last day I was in the operating room the day before my Senate confirmation hearing.

00:04:51.440 And so it's an entirely different world here.

00:04:54.640 I am on a listening tour.

00:04:56.160 We're talking to the career scientists.

00:04:57.880 We're trying to make sure they have all the resources they need to do their job well.

00:05:02.100 We're trying to change the culture here to make it more of a teamwork culture.

00:05:06.380 It's been very siloed.

00:05:08.040 Each of the centers has developed their own fiefdom with their own communications department and lawyers and lobbyists for Congress and IT departments.

00:05:20.740 And the IT systems don't talk.

00:05:23.400 They're on different systems.

00:05:24.900 So that's why you have VAERS and FAERS and CARES and 10 different adverse event reporting systems.

00:05:31.860 We probably need one really good one.

00:05:34.580 So I'm doing an inventory right now, trying to assess the lay of the land, and then we're

00:05:39.260 also trying to change the culture to a culture of teamwork, the scientific gold standard,

00:05:44.720 and common sense working together, and that is our goal right now.

00:05:47.840 In medicine in general, there's this divide, a push-pull right now between sort of the

00:05:53.760 old school doctors and the new functional medicine doctors, the new Maha push, and there's

00:05:59.740 some resistance between the two.

00:06:01.160 I don't have to tell you that.

00:06:03.100 Are you seeing any of that reflected here?

00:06:04.820 Do you think the folks here are open-minded to Maha and functional medicine and doing things a different way?

00:06:11.060 We need both.

00:06:11.740 We need, you know, as somebody who is a highly subspecialized pancreatic specialist,

00:06:19.440 we need people who think broadly and think functionally and think about the fact that 90% of type 2 diabetes is curable by changing what you eat.

00:06:28.780 changing what you eat can actually take care of a certain type of rash that somebody develops,

00:06:36.060 almost as good as some of these expensive biologics in certain circumstances. So we need

00:06:42.000 people who think differently. We need fresh new ideas. We need the old guard to ensure that we

00:06:48.300 hold to rigorous scientific methodology, and we need fresh new ideas at the same time. So we're

00:06:53.180 trying to bring all of that together now. And people have forgotten that the FDA stands for

00:06:59.060 food. And so that is a major focus with Secretary Kennedy in this administration.

00:07:03.720 Right. We're always so focused on the D, especially on the heels of COVID. And we think of the FDA,

00:07:08.340 most of us, especially on the right, poorly, because we feel like we were railroaded and

00:07:12.340 doing things we didn't want to do. And especially, you know, before COVID, there was the opioid

00:07:16.940 crisis and the FDA's role in that. So it has a bad rap, I think, generally, with many in the

00:07:23.080 country. So how do you turn that around? Well, I mean, we're still reeling back from some of the

00:07:27.920 disastrous health care corruption that the government was involved in. The food pyramid,

00:07:33.060 one of the greatest pieces of misinformation put out there that has informed school lunch programs,

00:07:38.660 that has informed what people define as healthy. And so we now have a group that's re-evaluating

00:07:45.720 the nutrition guidance. We have a Maha Commission that is going to be putting out a massive report

00:07:51.740 that doesn't just talk about calories in, calories out.

00:07:54.720 It talks about food ingredients and chemicals that don't appear in nature

00:07:58.680 that are going down the GI tracts of our nation's children every day, nonstop.

00:08:03.500 And it may not be one ingredient that is driving some of these chronic diseases.

00:08:08.440 It may not be one ingredient involved in attention deficit disorder.

00:08:12.560 It may be the cumulative burden of all of it.

00:08:15.080 So we are now taking a much wider view.

00:08:18.280 And you mentioned the opioid issue.

00:08:21.740 That probably is the quintessential example of what's wrong with a cozy relationship

00:08:26.940 when the regulator agency is captured by the industry.

00:08:31.580 The person who literally authorized OxyContin then went to work for Purdue Pharma.

00:08:38.620 Curtis Wright.

00:08:39.900 Exactly.

00:08:40.680 He worked here.

00:08:41.720 He authorized OxyContin.

00:08:43.340 He approved a label that suggested it wasn't really that addictive, if at all.

00:08:47.140 And then after he left here, he went to work for Purdue Pharma, the very company he helped.

00:08:51.040 Sweetheart deal. And that label was illegal, in my opinion. It was an indication for chronic pain

00:08:59.540 for round-the-clock, long-term use, and it was based on a 14-day study. And so that kind of

00:09:08.100 mistake can result in a million Americans losing their lives. And when you don't have good post

00:09:14.000 approval monitoring as this agency has not had, you discover things decades later. We discovered

00:09:22.220 Vioxx killed maybe 38,000 plus Americans years after it was approved. We discovered a million

00:09:29.980 Americans died of opioids and overdoses over a decade after the OxyContin label was given.

00:09:37.300 Why weren't we monitoring in real time people who were getting it immediately after approval?

00:09:41.780 in part, the answer to that question is we couldn't do it. We didn't have the data. It was

00:09:46.120 too sophisticated. You'd have to have everybody registered in a study. Now we have giant big data

00:09:52.180 from electronic health records nationally. Now we can have our researchers and universities go in

00:09:58.180 there and look at everyone who's taken a new medication matched to somebody who's similar

00:10:04.140 who is not taking that medication and look at the adverse event rate and ask, is it working?

00:10:11.780 Is there a safety signal?

00:10:13.760 When you don't do that, people get suspicious.

00:10:17.080 And they are suspicious about the cozy relationship sometimes that results in approvals.

00:10:24.300 And they're also suspicious when they hear stories and they don't have hard data.

00:10:28.060 You don't have great rates about certain complications when you just have self-reported data.

00:10:33.780 Self-reported data is terrible data.

00:10:35.220 Yeah, it could be any.

00:10:36.080 Like, how do you know if my sleepless night was due to the COVID vaccine or I'm stressed out?

00:10:40.440 That's right.

00:10:41.040 And in the void of good scientific data, every opinion fills that void.

00:10:46.060 So we can do a better job.

00:10:48.140 And if we have good post-approval monitoring of drugs and devices, then we can also tell companies,

00:10:57.220 hey, instead of doing two randomized control trials to get your drug on the market, how about one?

00:11:02.760 And we'll take a close look in the post-approval monitoring how the drug is doing in real time immediately after it's approved.

00:11:09.000 And that's particularly important when you're talking about rare diseases, when you talk about a genetic issue that affects 52 kids in the world.

00:11:19.160 And that's a real thing.

00:11:20.020 There is a condition that affects 50 or 15 kids.

00:11:22.760 That's also a real thing.

00:11:24.380 You can't expect the companies to do a randomized control trial.

00:11:28.400 You'll kill innovation.

00:11:29.500 You'll kill investment in those innovative ideas.

00:11:32.920 You've got to say, hey, this is a very difficult condition.

00:11:37.940 It's incurable.

00:11:39.460 It's fatal.

00:11:40.740 It's a permanent disability.

00:11:42.880 We're going to customize the approval process to the condition.

00:11:47.120 And so we're going to be rolling out a new pathway for drugs, which is a pathway based on a plausible mechanism.

00:11:54.560 If there's a rare condition or a condition that's incurable, that affects a small number of people,

00:12:00.220 we may be approving drugs based on a plausible mechanism on sort of a conditional basis.

00:12:06.080 What does that mean?

00:12:06.520 Put that in normal speak.

00:12:07.600 Let's say there's a condition that affects 75 people in the world, and there's a new treatment that makes sense physiologically.

00:12:15.740 The mechanism is scientifically plausible that this treatment would help these individuals.

00:12:22.620 No one's forcing these medications on these individuals.

00:12:25.160 If they want to try these new medications, even though we don't have a randomized controlled trial because it's not feasible,

00:12:32.280 We will allow that and at the same time monitor everybody who gets it so that we can make

00:12:37.940 inferences as soon as the data speaks with a signal in the data.

00:12:41.860 Wow, I like the sound of that.

00:12:44.340 One of the questions I had when you were going over like VAERS, which is the vaccine website

00:12:49.560 where you go to upload your negative consequences, people know it from COVID, is aren't those

00:12:54.980 things only as good as the people who monitor them?

00:12:57.420 Because you and I have talked before, we talked throughout COVID with doctors like Bnei Prasad, who's a big fan of yours,

00:13:03.740 about the myocarditis that we were seeing, especially in young teenage boys, as a result of the vaccine, especially the second shot, and then the boosters.

00:13:13.320 And those things were being uploaded to VAERS, but we weren't getting red alert warnings from the FDA.

00:13:19.920 And so this is one of the reasons people don't trust the FDA.

00:13:22.300 Like, there's an agenda. They don't want to tell us about this negative side effect because they're much more concerned with forcing us to take the shot.

00:13:29.900 There's been, look, let's be honest, there's been an epidemic of distrust, and part of it is warranted.

00:13:35.840 And when you don't want to look at complications, the complication rate looks lower than it really is, and it makes products look safer than they really are.

00:13:45.500 And so in the case of VAERS, you have something that could suggest it's a screening tool.

00:13:55.060 It could suggest that there's an issue, but you have to do a rigorous evaluation.

00:13:59.440 If you don't follow up with a rigorous evaluation, that screening tool is not very useful.

00:14:05.700 Or if you don't want to know.

00:14:07.360 Exactly.

00:14:08.040 But aren't the same people all here who didn't want to know when it was your predecessor and it was the Biden administration?

00:14:13.760 We're going to know.

00:14:14.300 We're going to do intense, comprehensive research, and that's why if we have massive electronic health record data, which we now have through something called the Health Information Exchange, we can have researchers go into there and look at real-world complication rates.

00:14:30.320 So we're not relying on self-reported data from which you can make no inferences about rates.

00:14:35.940 That's just a basic scientific methodologic principle.

00:14:38.340 when you have a couple people saying, hey, I had this or I had this, you can't infer what the rate

00:14:43.860 is, that is the frequency per unit time. But when you have comprehensive data, which we only have

00:14:50.020 now because of cloud storage ability, we couldn't do this 10 years ago. We have now tremendous big

00:14:56.160 data where we can go in there and look at, here's 100,000 people who took this product. Let's follow

00:15:02.680 them in the data, de-identified to protect privacy, and look at how many people came back to the

00:15:08.760 hospital. Not just came back to the hospital with myocarditis coded, but who came into a clinic and

00:15:14.860 said, my chest hurts. Once you have good methodologic capture of outcomes, now you're

00:15:20.720 looking at real rates. Will that happen? Because since Kennedy took over, and FDA is under Kennedy

00:15:26.980 at HHS, people should know. When he took over, a guy named Peter Marks, who was here, it's FDA's

00:15:34.560 former top vaccine regulator, well, he was forced out, reportedly, that you approved it, and then

00:15:39.180 Kennedy said, okay, good, I'm fine, get rid of him. And in his resignation letters, his forced

00:15:44.720 resignation, reportedly, he said, it's become clear that truth and transparency are not desired

00:15:49.260 by the secretary, but rather he wishes subservient confirmation of his misinformation and lies.

00:15:54.900 He accused Secretary Kennedy of undermining confidence in well-established vaccines.

00:15:58.500 And then he accused Secretary Kennedy of wanting to access and directly edit VAERS,

00:16:05.240 which the FDA oversees, saying, we don't trust them.

00:16:09.260 He used an expletive.

00:16:10.640 They would write over the data or erase the whole database.

00:16:14.080 So I don't know what he's suggesting here, that Secretary Kennedy would go into VAERS.

00:16:18.380 It seems to me it would be more like the people who are pushing the vaccines on us

00:16:21.600 who would go into the VAERS database and erase things.

00:16:24.720 But you tell me whether Secretary Kennedy and you should have access to VAERS

00:16:30.380 and actually start figuring out whether, I mean, there's still parents who are getting their teenage boys

00:16:35.340 the third, the fourth shot of the COVID vax, not knowing about the myocarditis.

00:16:41.820 Yeah, I mean, if you follow the guidelines as they've been written to the exact letter,

00:16:48.260 A 12-year-old healthy, thin girl should be on her eighth COVID vaccine mRNA booster shot.

00:16:55.300 And so Secretary Kennedy has called for gold standard science.

00:16:58.140 And I can tell you, and Dr. Bhattacharya will tell you the same thing at the NIH, is he has posed questions,

00:17:04.780 but he is not engaging in the details of how rigorous scientific methodology should be conducted.

00:17:11.020 He's posing questions, as is most of America right now.

00:17:14.660 Again, I don't think VAERS is a good database because it is self-reported and not rates.

00:17:20.340 On Peter Marks, I can tell you that I never knew the guy.

00:17:25.040 I never met him.

00:17:26.180 He resigned before I came to office.

00:17:30.120 Some people liked some of the things he did, and some people had concerns with some of the things he did.

00:17:36.240 One of the biggest concerns, of course, was that he pushed out the two top scientific vaccine experts here at the FDA.

00:17:44.220 And this all came out in a House Judiciary hearing last summer.

00:17:48.800 The two top vaccine experts at the FDA were pushed out by Peter Marks.

00:17:54.700 It's not an opinion.

00:17:55.640 It's in the congressional hearing.

00:17:57.220 And as I recall, they were objecting to certain things that seemed arbitrary, like mandates for children, vaccines for six-year-olds, that kind of thing.

00:18:05.780 Exactly.

00:18:06.240 they had concerns, according to their testimony, they had concerns over the COVID mRNA booster

00:18:13.320 repeat strategy as a mandate in children. And as you know, some people have said it makes no sense,

00:18:21.180 we don't have good data on the risk-benefit profile. The two top vaccine career scientists

00:18:27.420 at the FDA, Dr. Gruber and Dr. Krauss, head director and deputy director of the Vaccine

00:18:32.740 Research Center here at the FDA were forced out by Dr. Marks. So, you know, sometimes you have to

00:18:39.360 block out some of the noise where now he's taking a, you know, a different view. I never met the

00:18:45.240 guy, but that's, those are the different ideas people have on Peter Marks. There's a lot of

00:18:49.740 talented people who can do that job well. A lot of very smart people who are right now who are

00:18:56.140 applying for that job. My guess in knowing you is you want people who welcome that kind of

00:19:00.380 questioning. Let's have more questions. Let's search that up. Let's run that down. Not somebody

00:19:05.820 who, like we've had, shuts down any questioning that doesn't toe the party line. We are not going

00:19:11.920 to be shutting down ideas, ideas that may be different from my ideas. We should welcome that.

00:19:17.460 Science is based on challenging deeply held assumptions where there's no good evidence,

00:19:23.120 what we call medical dogma. That is the scientific process. And so we shouldn't be shutting down

00:19:29.100 other ideas, we should be inviting them. And that's why we're going to be having roundtable

00:19:33.880 expert panels, FDA expert panels on menopause and hormone replacement therapy on a whole host of

00:19:40.520 topics. All right, full-time thoughts. Craig, who stood out? Brazil's lime cheesecake started

00:19:47.020 bright, didn't let up. Nah, for me, Italian cappuccino was the standout in the box. But if

00:19:51.340 we're talking decadent performance, that's all France. Chocolate creme brulee had the richest

00:19:55.520 finishes. Canadian fireworks really showed up big too. And Mexico's caramel churro ice cap gave me

00:20:01.100 chills. We are, of course, talking about Tim's taste of the globe lineup. New globally inspired

00:20:05.660 Timbits and ice cap flavors available at Tim Hortons for a limited time. Picks them up today

00:20:09.940 and while you're at it, check out Footy Prime Daily. I'm queuing up a clip because I want to

00:20:16.260 jump back to some reforms you're starting with. And one of the big issues we touched on a minute

00:20:21.420 ago, people like Curtis Wright. He's not the only one to leave the FDA and go right into big pharma.

00:20:26.180 Almost every commissioner does. Scott Gottlieb, he was under Trump. He was the FDA commissioner,

00:20:31.660 went right off to Pfizer. He came on my show and tried to tell me nothing to worry about with any

00:20:36.720 side effects as he's working for Pfizer. It's like, we know we can't trust these people. So

00:20:41.960 A, what are we going to do about those people? And B, is there anything else we need to worry

00:20:48.740 about, because it's not just people who are at FDA and leave. It's also panels of big pharma

00:20:56.680 representatives who oversee the process as a drug gets approved here at FDA.

00:21:03.220 When Curtis Wright approved the original FDA label, was there internal pushback?

00:21:07.340 Oh, yeah. Diane Snitchler emailed him that produced less addictive claims sounded like

00:21:11.880 bullshit. What was Mr. Wright's response? He said, actually, Diane, this is literally true. 0.98

00:21:18.120 So, Curtis Wright is the FDA medical review officer who approves an unprecedented label for Purdue,

00:21:25.360 and then he goes and works for Purdue.

00:21:28.380 So, do you think there's quid pro quo with Purdue to grant such generous wording?

00:21:33.700 Yeah, well, I get that it has the appearance of eruption, but it's possible there wasn't.

00:21:41.160 What Curtis Wright did is the way the industry works.

00:21:46.580 It's a revolving door, where as soon as people leave the government,

00:21:50.180 they go and work for the exact people they were regulating for five times the money.

00:21:55.520 And it's all legal.

00:21:57.160 What appears to be corruption is simply how the system works.

00:22:00.400 What, if anything, is being done about that?

00:22:04.180 Well, we have to do two things.

00:22:06.280 Number one is we have to partner with industry and pharma to facilitate the process

00:22:11.100 to make it user-friendly and expeditious.

00:22:14.100 We shouldn't be in a receive-only mode.

00:22:15.740 We want American pharma companies to do well and companies that do business in the United States to do well.

00:22:20.600 But the scientific evaluation needs to be independent.

00:22:24.520 And that's why today we're announcing we are removing industry members, pharma members, from FDA advisory committees.

00:22:31.880 I was shocked when I learned that employees of big pharma companies sit on FDA advisory committees as members of those committees.

00:22:41.140 So we're going to be replacing them whenever statutorily possible with patients and family

00:22:46.960 givers, family caregivers.

00:22:48.800 We are going to be inviting pharma companies to send representatives to the advisory committees,

00:22:54.160 but they can sit with the rest of the public and watch and pose questions as the rest of

00:22:59.600 the American public can.

00:23:01.540 So that speaks to, it doesn't stop at FDAers leaving and going directly to Big Pharma to

00:23:09.760 work pushing the drugs they just approved while government employees. It's also while the FDA is

00:23:17.000 approving those drugs, big pharma right now has a role in pushing for it, in advising the people

00:23:24.180 who are the decision makers. And so on that second piece of it, at least right now, you're stopping

00:23:29.740 that. We're stopping that in for every committee where we can by statute. And we're replacing them

00:23:36.900 with patients and family caregivers.

00:23:39.180 And the idea is that there should not be a cozy relationship.

00:23:45.040 There should be a user-friendly process for industry,

00:23:48.620 but not a cozy relationship.

00:23:50.080 Because let's be honest, a lot of people in the United States

00:23:53.700 feel that the system is rigged.

00:23:55.300 A lot of people feel that the relationship is too cozy

00:23:59.420 between pharma and regulators.

00:24:02.140 And so this is an agency that belongs to the American people.

00:24:06.900 And so we can work with pharma and at the same time ensure that scientific evaluation process is totally independent.

00:24:14.700 And on those advisory committees, the pharma and device members of those advisory committees will say that they're non-voting members.

00:24:23.100 But that is a sort of a close club of individuals that has a running dialogue and they meet and they become friendly.

00:24:31.760 And it's okay to be friendly, but we need the scientific evaluation, the voting, to be totally independent.

00:24:39.480 And so people ask, are you anti-pharma or pro-pharma?

00:24:43.940 And the reality is we're pro-pharma, but our evaluation has to be independent.

00:24:49.480 And we cannot have any more indications for chronic pain written for a drug based on a 14-day study where the regulator then goes immediately and works for the company.

00:24:59.540 That's the kind of thing that breeds distrust, and that's why people perceive that this agency,

00:25:06.540 the FDA, has been captured by industry, and it is not captured by industry.

00:25:11.320 It is owned by the American people right now.

00:25:13.340 How do we stop the first problem with all the FDA commissioners and the top head honchos

00:25:18.080 doing their stint in government service and then going out to work for Big Pharma like

00:25:22.820 they did in the Purdue Pharma case with Curtis Wright and making five times more?

00:25:28.180 I don't know. We live in a free country. I do know some of these individuals, and they are good people, and they're all God's children.

00:25:35.740 They're doing what the market incentivizes. But when it comes to their influence on the operations of the FDA, that is something that we cannot tolerate.

00:25:46.040 We cannot have people who leave as regulators, go to the industry, and we've thought about an ethics pledge.

00:25:52.040 We've thought about all kinds of things. It's non-binding because we live in a free country.

00:25:56.380 You can't control someone after they leave an employer.

00:25:59.800 But what we can do is create a culture here where people want to stay.

00:26:03.360 We can ensure that people who leave don't have undue influence.

00:26:08.220 And so many of the former...

00:26:11.060 I have a suggestion for you.

00:26:12.060 Yeah.

00:26:12.560 If somebody leaves the FDA and goes to work for one of the drug companies,

00:26:16.620 then you should look back to see whether they were involved in approving any of that company's drugs

00:26:20.260 during their tenure over the previous five years.

00:26:22.820 And it should kick in an automatic review on that drug and the approval.

00:26:28.520 When I got this nomination for the job, I cannot tell you how many lobbyists, former members of Congress, the swamp, reached out to me.

00:26:40.820 This is the swamp.

00:26:41.660 I mean, I was in the operating room, and the next day I discovered what the swamp was.

00:26:45.780 You were swampy, surrounded by the swamp creatures.

00:26:48.360 By the swamp creatures. And immediately, this is how it happens. We want to help you with your confirmation. We want to write a letter on behalf of our company to the senators on your committee. We know these senators. We're going to talk to them if it's OK with you. And you know what I said? Don't talk to the senators. I don't want your letters. They're not for free. Those are obligations that then you feel indebted to return once you're in office.

00:27:14.940 And I'd rather not get confirmed into this job than have those obligations.

00:27:19.400 Right on.

00:27:19.840 And you were confirmed.

00:27:21.100 You're the only Trump nominee that's had as many Democrats cross over to support you.

00:27:25.380 You've gotten more than anybody, I think.

00:27:26.680 Was it 56-44?

00:27:28.060 Yes.

00:27:28.460 It literally should be nothing political about the FDA.

00:27:31.320 We're talking about values.

00:27:33.160 Look, Republican, Democrat, independent moms came out and voted for President Trump.

00:27:38.640 And they believed in Secretary Kennedy's maha mission.

00:27:41.020 There's literally nothing political about looking at the influence of food colors and ingredients and evaluating the grass standard and getting infant formula without seed oil and added sugar and rewriting our nutrition guidelines, which we're doing right now.

00:27:56.560 These are the most apolitical things in society.

00:27:59.820 Of course, you're going to have media try to spin things, of course.

00:28:03.540 But I think people see through that.

00:28:04.800 On the food, my daughter turned 14 this past Monday, and I was baking her a cake, and I went,

00:28:12.660 I mean, I just got the Duncan Hines. I'm not going to lie. I can't do anything from scratch.

00:28:16.300 But then I just took a moment to look at what was in the icing, you know, with which you would use

00:28:22.040 to write happy birthday. Everything in there was red dye number this, yellow dye number that,

00:28:28.040 Green dye number this. And I thought, this could alternatively read carcinogen X, carcinogen Y.

00:28:38.220 And that's where I drew the line. I'm sure there were tons of seed oils and so on in the cake

00:28:42.980 itself. But my point is, how does that even make its way onto the shelf where the vast majority of

00:28:49.080 people have no idea that all those dyes that are in our food, but not in the Europeans,

00:28:53.880 can cause cancer. And so I'm giving my child cancer for her 14th birthday, which is a no.

00:29:00.760 What I don't understand is if there's enough preliminary data to suggest that there may be

00:29:05.600 carcinogenic effects or genomic disruption or associations with attention deficit disorder,

00:29:11.000 or a whole plethora of families that are saying, hey, once we started eliminating these petrochemical

00:29:19.440 food colorings from the food of my child, their behavior improved. When you have enough of that,

00:29:26.140 it's not, look, they're not giant randomized control studies over 10 years for each food

00:29:31.320 dye. We're not going to get that. But when you have enough preliminary data to suggest

00:29:35.060 these petrochemical food dyes are concerning, who then would conclude, you know what,

00:29:41.760 let's just risk it. It's fine. We'll wing it. We'll be, you know, the kids will maybe fine.

00:29:47.020 And why do that?

00:29:48.980 When we have all of these chronic diseases increasing right in front of our eyes that were rare a generation ago.

00:29:55.480 One in 22 boys in California now has autism.

00:29:59.880 I mean, when you have to see these statistics, who says, you know what, it might be some of these ingredients have been suggested.

00:30:07.000 Europe doesn't have them.

00:30:08.220 They don't need them.

00:30:08.820 The food prices are not higher because they use beet juice and carrot juice and watermelon juice.

00:30:13.920 I know you had Vani Hari on.

00:30:15.580 She's a great champion for that.

00:30:16.680 We're taking a close look at this, and I think you're going to hear some action in the coming weeks on this.

00:30:20.800 Before we go to the autism thing, because Kennedy made news on that, too.

00:30:24.440 On the drugs, it's fun to demonize drug companies because we're all kind of ticked off, I think, about the COVID vaccines and so on.

00:30:31.420 Not all, but many of us.

00:30:33.180 However, they're not all bad.

00:30:35.780 They do make some drugs that have helped a lot of people.

00:30:38.800 America's drunk on Ozempic.

00:30:41.400 But, I mean, there are some actual serious drugs that can help people.

00:30:46.140 And so one of the concerns behind people who back big pharma is how much is all of this, some of the stuff we're talking about, going to slow down the approval process for new drugs or drugs and testing?

00:30:58.460 We're speeding up the approval process.

00:31:00.480 We made an announcement last week that we are reducing the requirements for some perfunctory things like animal testing.

00:31:07.580 Why are we testing every single drug in chimpanzees and dogs, usually beagles, because they're obedient?

00:31:15.520 Oh, that's so sad.

00:31:16.400 It's sad, and it's unnecessary.

00:31:18.400 Some of these drugs are already proved in other countries, in humans.

00:31:21.280 So you have a drug already in use in humans in other countries,

00:31:24.500 and we're requiring animal testing before.

00:31:27.160 So we've put out a release that we are now taking steps to reduce the animal testing requirement.

00:31:34.560 It's cruel to the animals sometimes.

00:31:35.980 It's unnecessary.

00:31:37.340 And we live in a modern world where we have computational modeling using AI

00:31:41.540 that can evaluate a molecule and predict its toxicity in humans better than the animal testing.

00:31:48.440 We also have something called organ-on-a-chip technology, where, say, liver cells are grown in the lab.

00:31:53.620 Sounds like a terrible appetizer.

00:31:56.280 Yeah, I personally cannot eat liver. I've operated on the liver too much.

00:32:00.080 Oh, God.

00:32:00.700 That's one food I cannot do.

00:32:02.460 No one wants organ-on-a-chip.

00:32:03.640 Yeah, organ-on-a-chip.

00:32:04.660 So in the lab, they grow these cells, and then they introduce the drug.

00:32:09.580 And you can actually see whether or not it injures the cells better than if you inject some bunny rabbit that is not going to talk to you and say, my liver hurts.

00:32:19.440 So these new technologies have the promise of replacing some of this routine animal testing.

00:32:25.820 You would cut six months out of that approval process.

00:32:29.920 You lower R&D costs for pharma companies and inventors, which could lower drug prices for everyday Americans.

00:32:36.720 And it reduces animal use.

00:32:38.520 there's too much animal use. Are there any other areas where AI can come and help as we move into

00:32:44.840 the 21st century? Yeah, we're bringing in a team that is really exciting. They're going to use,

00:32:51.300 introduce AI into the review process to help the reviewer, to make the reviewer's

00:32:56.280 work stream much more streamlined and summarize things. There are parts of the drug application

00:33:04.020 that are so perfunctory, that are outdated, that could be streamlined, that could be abstracted

00:33:09.100 with AI to help the reviewer. So here, like all other aspects of government that Trump is taking

00:33:14.480 on, you're saying there's actually too much red tape that we're and we're red taping the wrong

00:33:19.580 things. It sounds like you're saying. Why does it take 10 years to bring a drug to market in

00:33:24.600 the United States? Because the regulatory steps. I mean, people are dying. People need

00:33:30.400 cures and meaningful treatments. And my predecessor in this role was focused,

00:33:37.420 as he stated, his number one goal was fighting misinformation. Well, our number one goal

00:33:43.840 is delivering cures and meaningful treatments and healthier foods for Americans. That is our

00:33:51.060 focus. And so you've heard about consolidation or changes or cuts at the FDA. Those were not

00:33:57.100 cuts to scientists or reviewers or inspectors? Absolutely none. They were cuts to communications

00:34:03.520 staff, FDA's lobbyists to Congress, and to the IT systems here where there's a lot of opportunity

00:34:09.960 for efficiencies. Yes, there's been, definitely there's been pushback on the number of people

00:34:15.920 who were ousted. I think it was your predecessor who said the FDA, as we know, is gone, that the

00:34:22.700 Experts are gone.

00:34:23.920 People with decades of institutional knowledge have been turfed, suggesting there might now

00:34:28.180 be a safety issue here.

00:34:29.840 There is a massive growth of FDA employees under the Biden administration.

00:34:35.180 And when the media reports that there were cuts, which many were early retirements, people

00:34:42.380 took early retirement, none were to scientific reviewers or inspectors or law enforcement

00:34:48.200 at the FDA.

00:34:49.780 They were to IT communications, legislative affairs.

00:34:53.320 And so what you're not hearing in the mainstream media is that there was a 100% increase in the number of FDA employees since 2006.

00:35:01.600 You have about 18,000, and it's been cut about 3,500 since you and Kennedy got here.

00:35:06.020 So you're saying we had more like 9,000?

00:35:09.000 We had 9,500 employees at the FDA in 2006.

00:35:12.600 Oh, wow.

00:35:13.340 And so when you report that there were cuts,

00:35:17.380 and you don't report that there was a hundred percent increase in employees in the preceding

00:35:22.940 years, that the number of employees doubled in the preceding years, that is misleading.

00:35:29.840 And the people who we've gotten rid of, losing them is not going to slow down drug approval

00:35:34.880 or safety procedures because they were, sounds like more administrative people.

00:35:40.200 There were no cuts to scientists, reviewers, or inspectors or law enforcement. And my goal

00:35:45.220 is to make sure that every one of those people has all the resources they need to do their job

00:35:49.940 well. Now, cuts are never perfect. And so we have done an assessment and there are

00:35:56.580 some individuals that we have invited back. There were a couple of people who were taking the early

00:36:03.860 retirement and we were told of their sort of how well they performed here and we encouraged them

00:36:10.300 to stay. But to not report that the agency has doubled since 2006 before this cut, in my opinion,

00:36:19.080 is not telling the whole story. No, it's dishonest. It's dishonest. Is it swampy here? And by that I

00:36:25.100 mean we had a report that when Secretary Kennedy came over and addressed the troops last Friday,

00:36:30.380 some people got up and walked out. They were disgusted by him, which seems like a bad sign.

00:36:35.880 Yeah, I was in that room.

00:36:37.240 Nobody got up and walked out.

00:36:39.320 Now, we did stream it, so if somebody was watching it in their office and got up to

00:36:44.220 go to the bathroom during the speech, maybe that constituted getting up and walking out.

00:36:48.780 I don't know.

00:36:49.180 I was in that room, and there was incredible energy in that room, because he talked about

00:36:52.860 how agencies that are set up to defend public safety sometimes become captured by the organizations

00:37:00.440 that they are set out to regulate.

00:37:02.160 and he talked about the EPA has had a history where they have cycled and at times have been

00:37:06.940 captured by the industry. And he encouraged people at the FDA to speak up, think independently,

00:37:13.340 and that he had his full support behind them. So it was an incredible talk. And of course,

00:37:19.880 you're going to hear a clip or a phrase pulled out out of context. But I was in that room.

00:37:25.820 Nobody walked out. It was incredibly a strong message. The FDA is strong and we're going to

00:37:30.800 continue to be strong. And that's because we believe in the scientists. How's your relationship

00:37:34.500 with Bobby Kennedy? It's good. You know, I got to know him during the nomination process, and I

00:37:40.640 found that he always listens to me. He values scientists on questions where he has, you know,

00:37:48.240 some skepticism or he has some honest questions that he wants to pose. And I think that's what

00:37:54.760 we need? I mean, first of all, he represents America. There are, President Trump and Robert

00:38:01.780 F. Kennedy Jr. are the two most popular political people in the United States right now. That's

00:38:07.780 polling data. That's not my opinion. That's polling data. And he is, he represents the

00:38:12.120 American people. He has questions. He wants the scientific process to run its course. And so he's

00:38:17.820 posing the questions and he values our opinion. Everything I put before him, he has valued my

00:38:24.240 input on. And so we're going to see new studies come out. We're going to talk about chronic

00:38:29.380 diseases. We're going to look at food and food ingredients. And he's provided some really great

00:38:33.540 leadership. Are we redoing the food pyramid? We're redoing the food pyramid. Thank God.

00:38:38.640 And no longer are we going to say you have to have these calories. It doesn't matter how you

00:38:44.400 get them. It doesn't matter if it's all ultra-processed foods. It's just pure calories

00:38:48.480 in, calories out. That dogma, which had no scientific support, was a massively underfunded

00:38:55.340 endeavor. We let the industry tell us as a government what's healthy and what's not healthy.

00:39:01.180 And even with the recent Biden administration suggestion to have front of package labeling,

00:39:08.480 they picked sodium, saturated fat, and added sugar in there. I think they got maybe one thing

00:39:14.720 right out of those four, but they ignored a giant sloth of food ingredients.

00:39:20.080 And so when you ignore a thousand chemicals, some of which are petrochemicals that have

00:39:25.880 been introduced into the food supply simply because the industry has self-deemed them

00:39:30.920 as safe, when you ignore that, then you can't call something healthy just because it has

00:39:37.220 a low amount of saturated fat.

00:39:40.820 That's old dogma.

00:39:44.720 All right, full-time thoughts.

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00:40:15.340 Secretary Kennedy said this week that we are going to know what causes autism by September.

00:40:22.040 Is that crazy talk?

00:40:23.720 No, people want to know.

00:40:24.800 A lot of parents have been dealing with kids with autism.

00:40:28.820 I mean, one in 32 kids in America today have autism.

00:40:33.020 We can't just keep medicating every kid.

00:40:35.400 It was one in 10,000 in the 90s.

00:40:37.080 It was unheard of. The sort of repetitive motions, the tics, the heavy, the complete nonverbal child. Where did you see that in the 1940s and 50s? And so we have to look at everything. And when you do science, you can't say, hey, we're going to do a study of what is causing this epidemic affecting 1 in 32 kids. But you can't look at these potential causes. That's not how science is done.

00:41:04.860 That's what we've been saying.

00:41:05.660 And for the record, you're not saying it, but people are talking in part about vaccines

00:41:08.920 because Kennedy has said it should be on the list of things we look at.

00:41:13.700 Now, his critics will say he's blaming it all on the vaccine.

00:41:16.600 He's blaming autism on the vaccine.

00:41:17.980 I've talked to him personally.

00:41:18.900 That's not what he says.

00:41:19.660 That's not what he's saying at all.

00:41:20.360 He says they're growing up in a toxic stew.

00:41:22.880 That's one of the many things, and in particular, like the aluminum that they put in it as a

00:41:27.060 preservative.

00:41:27.860 Like, we should be looking at everything they're consuming and we're forcing on them.

00:41:30.700 I don't know what causes autism, but I'm deeply concerned about the rise.

00:41:35.880 If I had to make a hypothesis as a scientist, not as a regulator, but as a scientist,

00:41:41.860 and Dr. Bhattacharya is going to be launching a very impressive study

00:41:44.480 using electronic health big data that we're helping curate.

00:41:48.760 I think it is the cumulative burden of all of these exposures,

00:41:52.780 environmental and dietary, that alter the microbiome.

00:41:57.200 Remember, 90% of the serotonin made, which is involved in mood and mental health, is from bacteria in the microbiome.

00:42:06.420 That's where it's produced.

00:42:07.340 And when you mess up the microbiome, when you carpet bomb the microbiome with all of these ingredients that don't appear in nature, these are novel chemicals, what are we doing?

00:42:18.800 So we've known for a long time as a scientific community that kids with autism have different stool composition, different biodiversity.

00:42:27.360 So when you look at the billion different bacteria that live in the microbiome,

00:42:32.640 there may be an association between changes in the microbiome and autism

00:42:36.060 and things that are changing the microbiome that we've not yet fully appreciated.

00:42:41.000 And that could be a whole list of things.

00:42:43.060 I've heard you talk many times with me and others about,

00:42:47.340 and this stuck out to me because I had C-sections,

00:42:49.300 but about how vaginal births are in some ways much better for the baby

00:42:54.720 because it will help their microbiome.

00:42:56.660 Like going through the birth canal

00:42:57.760 is very helpful to a baby's microbiome.

00:43:00.760 But I was thinking about this

00:43:02.120 because what we have now

00:43:03.280 is a scenario in which

00:43:04.800 C-sections are routinely pushed on mothers

00:43:07.040 because it's easier for the OBGYN.

00:43:09.780 They can schedule their life more easily.

00:43:12.200 The nursing staff supports it.

00:43:13.640 They can get a wink or two, 0.70

00:43:14.760 whereas the vaginal birth is a different story, 0.98

00:43:16.760 natural, whatever.

00:43:18.180 So the kid comes out without that advantage.

00:43:20.980 Then we're very quick to prescribe antibiotics

00:43:24.560 for young kids. Carpet bombing the microbiome. Over and over, even when they're little and we're

00:43:29.780 not setting their microbiome up. Then we fill them full of processed foods or maybe we give them

00:43:34.700 infant formula that's riddled with processed or seed oils or added sugars that don't need to be

00:43:39.660 there. And then we, for a long time, didn't expose them to peanuts or other potential allergens,

00:43:46.040 which made them weaker and more susceptible to these allergies. And then, you know, there's all

00:43:51.300 these antibiotics in foods and estrogen altering chemicals in foods. And now the child is basically

00:43:58.800 hobbled in a lot of ways through absolutely no fault of their own. And really the parents either.

00:44:03.660 The parents wouldn't have necessarily known not to do that. Your kid has strep. Your doctor says

00:44:08.540 give him antibiotics. You do it. And then on top of that, we've got all these vaccines and we've

00:44:14.040 got all these processed foods and we've got all this weird stuff and, you know, your cow milk.

00:44:17.820 And it's so much.

00:44:20.660 And so it's almost like the system is set up to get your kids sick.

00:44:24.260 And then we say, why is everybody getting colon cancer before they turn 25?

00:44:28.320 Right?

00:44:29.020 No one's even taking a hard look at that.

00:44:31.500 Now it seems like for the first time we have a team that's saying, no, we're taking a hard

00:44:35.920 look at all of that.

00:44:37.780 All of it.

00:44:38.280 We have to look at all of it.

00:44:39.800 I mean, if you look at how much children are suffering, they're in pain, they're depressed,

00:44:44.660 they're dealing with injecting themselves with insulin, something you would rarely see a kid

00:44:50.460 have type 2 diabetes in their teenage years a generation ago. Now you've got 20% of kids who

00:44:57.060 have diabetes or prediabetes. The vast majority are type 2 diabetes, right? We have only been

00:45:03.440 talking about treating the rise in colon cancer in young people with new chemotherapy. New

00:45:09.320 chemotherapy is not going to address the root causes. We need to do it, and we want to see new

00:45:14.600 drugs come into market quickly. But we've got to talk about what is insulting the microbiome,

00:45:20.580 driving general body inflammation. We've got to talk about the two underlying causes of so many

00:45:25.780 chronic diseases, in my opinion, insulin resistance and general body inflammation.

00:45:32.280 And it's all the stuff that we put down. The body's immune system is reacting and causing

00:45:36.120 some inflammation. So we're not just going to be looking at new chemo for colon cancer.

00:45:42.620 We're going to be focused on healthy food at the FDA. And we're looking at a school lunch

00:45:48.000 grant program for schools that want to convert to healthier foods but don't know how

00:45:54.700 and they need help. We want to help them. Is guidance coming out for parents on how

00:45:59.780 to feed their child in a healthy way? Saying this to you before we got started,

00:46:06.120 the American breakfast right now is, you know, especially for kids, cereal, bagels, English

00:46:10.660 muffins, toast, French toast. It's all carbs, Danish, right? It's all starchy carbs. Then God

00:46:19.120 knows what they get at school for lunch. And even when you make them lunch, it's hard. You don't

00:46:22.520 know what it's like. Chicken fingers, good or bad? Fried, better than, you know, lunch meat,

00:46:27.720 probably. Well, what? Like, people don't know. They don't know. They've had no real guidance.

00:46:32.260 Are they going to get some?

00:46:33.400 So we are redoing the food pyramid.

00:46:35.900 But this is like the number one issue right now in health in America

00:46:40.960 is people don't know how to switch to healthier foods, right?

00:46:45.600 And I wish, you know, there's zealots in every aspect of health care.

00:46:49.420 And you hear them, you know, the media gives them a lot of airtime,

00:46:52.740 and their issues are legitimate oftentimes.

00:46:55.500 But I often look at these zealots and I say,

00:46:58.500 I wish you would take 10% of your enthusiasm over this little issue in health care

00:47:04.540 and actually talk about school lunches and healthy foods

00:47:08.580 and educating parents on what to feed their children

00:47:12.380 and sugary drinks that are ubiquitous

00:47:15.360 and microplastics and seed oils and chemicals in the grass

00:47:19.020 and all of it, all of it.

00:47:21.380 So we're going to see some guidance come out that I think is going to be helpful.

00:47:24.740 schools that want to convert to healthier more organic more local when possible foods

00:47:31.860 don't know how and they got limited budgets that's where we can provide some assistance

00:47:36.380 so on a pilot basis for schools that want to convert and don't know how we're going to help

00:47:42.040 them get off the cupcakes i didn't realize how many schools feed breakfast to children

00:47:48.520 Donuts, cupcakes, ding-dongs, French toast, as if, you know, it alludes to the French healthy living.

00:47:57.280 Right, so it's more sophisticated.

00:47:58.500 Right, more sophisticated, right.

00:48:00.680 So this is where the entire medical establishment can pivot and focus on.

00:48:08.280 And you're going to see grants coming out of the NIH.

00:48:10.940 We're working in coordination with the NIH to make sure there's research in this area.

00:48:15.640 You know, the NIH has really focused on genetics and the entire culture of the NIH and thus the entire academic medical community in the United States has been a culture focused on the genome based on the Francis Collins era that the gene is responsible for most of our health problems and the gene can solve most of our health problems.

00:48:40.560 And you look at the NIH, individual institutes within the National Institutes of Health, and it's geneticists all over the place.

00:48:48.860 You look at the Institute for Child Health at the NIH, and it's run by a geneticist who parades around finding a gene involved in some ultra-rare gene disorder.

00:49:01.040 That's good, and it's important, but nobody is talking about the food our kids are eating.

00:49:05.260 By the way, there's not much we can do about our genes.

00:49:07.440 The genes are not the cause of our chronic disease epidemic.

00:49:12.160 It's what we're doing or what is being done to children by adults today.

00:49:16.160 Unknowingly, with good intentions sometimes, you go to the National Institute of Environmental Health at the NIH.

00:49:21.900 Go to the website, and you'll see the director has on there that they were involved in identifying a gene that may be associated with obesity.

00:49:30.980 What are you doing?

00:49:32.040 I mean, there's value in that research.

00:49:34.520 How about the ding-dongs and cupcakes and donuts and French toast that the kids are eating

00:49:40.080 with government tax dollars every morning at school and nobody seems to be paying attention?

00:49:45.080 And I've heard you say before, if you fix your microbiome, you actually might be less hungry,

00:49:50.260 less prone to obesity. Like the things you were talking about are all to set people up for a

00:49:55.100 healthier lifestyle that's a little easier. You know, that they may be victims to cravings that

00:50:01.100 were created by this terrible food pyramid and them following the American diet that's

00:50:06.620 shoved down our throats.

00:50:07.180 Yeah, as a surgeon, I've had patients that would do everything to lose weight.

00:50:11.060 They did all the right things.

00:50:12.380 They switched to better foods, and they would exercise.

00:50:14.620 They couldn't lose weight.

00:50:15.520 What was happening there?

00:50:16.700 Can we learn from those individual patients?

00:50:19.680 Maybe the microbiome was altered in a way that is not easy to fix by just switching back.

00:50:25.860 Maybe all of those years, the cumulative insult to the microbiome was altered.

00:50:29.500 Now, there are some researchers doing this.

00:50:32.200 I met the microbiome researcher at the NIH, and it's like a tiny shop.

00:50:37.080 Like, this should be the main focus.

00:50:39.480 Yes.

00:50:39.880 You know, the NIH has collected DNA, all the DNA information on 1.2 million Americans.

00:50:46.620 And you'll say, I didn't know about this.

00:50:48.080 What, you know, what, why?

00:50:51.100 They have been doing it for the last six or seven years in search of a genetic basis for health disparities.

00:50:59.500 What does that mean?

00:51:02.320 It means they want to understand why certain populations have more chronic diseases than others.

00:51:07.100 And they believe that it's in the genome.

00:51:09.120 And so they collected this giant genetic library.

00:51:12.260 They would pay Americans, say, $25.

00:51:14.920 80% are African American, Latino, or transgender because they want to unlock why they have different rates of chronic diseases.

00:51:24.480 They have this massive library.

00:51:27.180 When Jay Bhattacharya came into office, the previous director moved that entire database project to another office outside of the director's office.

00:51:37.340 Maybe so he wouldn't touch it.

00:51:38.740 Interesting.

00:51:39.600 And what are they doing?

00:51:41.760 I'm not saying there's no value in that, but you can't even tell us how to lose weight.

00:51:47.780 You can't even tell us what foods are healthy for children.

00:51:51.040 You can't even tell us about seed oils or food dyes or ingredients that are added just for shelf life.

00:51:58.680 And so that has been the entire culture of the medical establishment.

00:52:03.380 And when they launched that project, they went to the oldest African-American church in Harlem.

00:52:08.720 They went to Atlanta, Detroit, and they recruited people from minority communities.

00:52:14.460 And they told them, no longer is our medical recommendations going to be blanket.

00:52:21.360 They're going to be custom-tailored to your population. 1.00

00:52:27.460 Good luck doing that with trans people. 1.00

00:52:30.240 Okay, a couple quick things. 1.00

00:52:32.600 One of your predecessors here has said you're going to have to expect massive pushback on all of this.

00:52:38.240 like it might be too pie in the sky that, for example, if we remove all ultra processed foods

00:52:43.880 from school lunch programs, we might bankrupt a bunch of farmers. Like, are we too optimistic?

00:52:51.860 You know, is it is the moonshot not possible? I think people are now discovering that they've

00:52:59.480 been duped with an industry that has told them, don't worry, all this food is healthy for kids.

00:53:05.040 It's low in calories.

00:53:06.440 It has low fat.

00:53:08.140 So, you know, go ahead and it's fine.

00:53:11.180 That's sort of the between the lines message.

00:53:13.580 And I think they're very suspicious and they want to find an ingredient that accounts for

00:53:18.160 the chronic disease epidemic.

00:53:19.640 I don't believe there's any single ingredient.

00:53:21.960 I think it's the entire gamut of less exercise, food chemicals, not eating the right foods,

00:53:28.380 micronutrient poor foods.

00:53:30.240 We have foods now in the United States that are basically grown with caffeine, potassium, phosphorus, nitrogen in the roots.

00:53:40.760 And there's no nutrients.

00:53:42.720 There's a deficiency of good soil.

00:53:45.380 And so you get micronutrient deficient food, and you can eat a lot.

00:53:49.500 But your satiety, that is your sense of feeling full, is not triggered because you're not getting those nutrients.

00:54:00.240 And so what you do is you have this weird feeling after you eat where you're kind of full and bloated, but you're still hungry.

00:54:08.360 And some of those chemicals make you more hungry.

00:54:11.340 The food industry, they're not bad people.

00:54:13.280 They're actually good people.

00:54:14.220 They've done what we as a society have asked them to do, and that is focus on food insecurity and mass production.

00:54:21.700 Now, however, seeing that these chronic diseases have skyrocketed in our country, in our generation,

00:54:29.820 we've got to take a step back and ask, how can we get healthier foods out there?

00:54:33.180 And I wanted to go back to the animal testing, because this is something near and dear to my

00:54:36.580 heart. I'm a big animal rights person. I do eat meat and animal products, and I get letters from

00:54:42.080 PETA all the time. But the animal testing is a heartbreaker, and what Fauci was doing to the

00:54:48.360 beagles is really deeply disturbing. And what I never realized until you just said it right now,

00:54:53.680 it's because they're compliant, which is just so sad. It's sad. So how do you stop that? Can we,

00:54:58.880 as humans stay safe in the drugs we consume and the products we consume without torturing

00:55:04.780 sweet little beagles, and I will throw in a word for the bunnies, and even the little lab rats,

00:55:10.540 which, you know, animal torture just seems beneath us at this point in our evolution, but you tell me.

00:55:15.400 God did not make these animals on planet Earth for us to do cruel things to them and subjugate them.

00:55:23.140 It does not seem right.

00:55:25.940 And so we are doing everything we can, and we're taking a lot of steps to reduce animal testing requirements and to stop unnecessary animal testing.

00:55:35.020 A single monoclonal antibody that was developed for approval used 144 chimpanzees in the animal testing requirement.

00:55:46.600 What are we doing?

00:55:47.840 And these chimpanzees are not, you know, living with great sunlight and eating bananas.

00:55:52.480 It's not, you know, there is a problem here.

00:55:57.720 And when you realize that the computational models can do as good or better of a job in predicting,

00:56:04.280 when the lab-based organ cells tested, or something called organoids,

00:56:08.660 where you can actually grow an organ in a lab, and it's not a functional organ,

00:56:12.760 but it has the properties of those cells, and you can test liver toxicity.

00:56:17.280 or heart toxicity or myocarditis, those models should be replacing animal testing.

00:56:22.180 So the first announcement we had when I came in as commissioner

00:56:25.000 was to take steps to reduce unnecessary animal testing.

00:56:28.700 Reduced by a lot?

00:56:29.960 Almost entirely?

00:56:31.200 With a goal toward hitting entirely or what?

00:56:34.580 I'd like to see as much reduction of unnecessary animal testing as humanly possible.

00:56:39.060 As a surgeon, we had pig labs at Johns Hopkins

00:56:44.060 where the students and residents would learn how to do surgery on the pigs.

00:56:50.500 I personally believed it had no impact on learning.

00:56:55.160 They could have learned from simulations, computerized simulations.

00:57:00.360 They can learn from watching us in the operating room.

00:57:03.080 It provided no edits because they were unnecessary.

00:57:06.280 And every week or so, they would have pigs anesthetized in this big production.

00:57:11.480 It was expensive.

00:57:12.640 And in my opinion, it was unnecessary.

00:57:14.860 We've got to modernize.

00:57:17.140 Okay.

00:57:17.980 So last but not least, 3,500 gone in cooperation with Doge.

00:57:23.100 Will there be more cuts?

00:57:24.700 There are no plans for any mass cuts.

00:57:27.940 Now, if somebody has not logged on to their VPN in two years, we don't want them working.

00:57:33.820 If somebody's doing an incredible job, and we measure performance down to 15-minute increments

00:57:39.320 with reviewers that are doing scientific reviews.

00:57:42.760 The reviews are highly tracked.

00:57:46.280 And so if somebody's doing a good job doing that review,

00:57:48.600 we want to encourage them and support.

00:57:50.100 It's hard work.

00:57:51.040 Doing the reviews is hard work.

00:57:52.520 And so we want to do other things here at the FDA

00:57:55.380 to support a great culture.

00:57:58.340 Scientific forums, speakers, roundtables.

00:58:01.500 We want to encourage them to spend some of their time

00:58:03.400 doing creative work.

00:58:05.040 And so we're doing a lot right now

00:58:07.080 to create more of a teamwork culture

00:58:08.760 and less of an individual siloed culture that is the culture that I walked into.

00:58:15.300 It feels like you really want to make this a better place for people to work,

00:58:18.840 more collegial, more of a feeling of camaraderie, a shared mission.

00:58:24.440 Is it possible?

00:58:25.520 There are certain government agencies, I'm just going to say it,

00:58:28.480 where they're hard left, they can't stand Trump,

00:58:31.560 and there will be a natural resistance to his appointees trying to do anything to their agency.

00:58:36.000 There are some of those folks here, but, you know, they're all God's children, and I hope to work with all of them. So, you know, that's my job as a leader to try to win their confidence, and I hope to do it by upholding my mission to put out their gold standard science and common sense together.

00:58:55.800 We can do both.

00:58:57.880 Healthier food for children, rebuilding the public trust, and focusing not on the peripheral distractions, but focusing on cures and meaningful treatments for Americans.

00:59:07.980 And when this is done, is there a chance you're going to a drug company?

00:59:13.040 Zero chance.

00:59:14.420 In terms of if there's an inventor that I might have the chance to work with, I have no idea.

00:59:20.120 When it comes to the large pharmaceutical companies, I'm not auditioning for a job with them.

00:59:27.080 At the same time, I love them.

00:59:28.800 I believe in love thy neighbor.

00:59:31.020 And I hope we can work with them to create a great user-friendly process to chop down that 10-year time frame to an approval to a much shorter time frame.

00:59:41.860 And I'm committed to work with them to get that down.

00:59:44.420 I can't wait to see what you do.

00:59:46.220 Thank you so much.

00:59:47.160 Thank you, Megan.

00:59:47.780 Thanks for being willing to do the job.

00:59:49.240 Thanks for being a champion for Maha Moms.

00:59:51.720 My pleasure.

00:59:52.640 Ah, so interesting.

00:59:54.120 I love him.

00:59:54.760 I feel so much better that he's here, right?

00:59:56.880 I feel like we're in good hands.

00:59:58.580 He's got his work cut out for him, and we'll stay tuned.

01:00:01.760 We'll keep you updated on what happens over here.

01:00:07.660 Today, let's talk about the fact that we all have nothing if we don't have our health.

01:00:11.700 And we have the perfect guest to discuss how you can take control of your wellness and life.

01:00:16.960 If you're into Maha, this is the show for you.

01:00:19.240 If you're into living, this is the show for you.

01:00:22.340 Dr. Mark Hyman is a practicing family physician

01:00:24.720 and a leader in functional medicine.

01:00:26.740 We'll talk about what that means.

01:00:28.020 He is a 15-time New York Times bestselling author,

01:00:30.920 the host of The Dr. Hyman Show podcast,

01:00:33.280 and the founder of Function Health,

01:00:35.120 a resource that gives you the tools to own your own health.

01:00:39.400 Dr. Hyman was on with us back in February, 2023

01:00:41.800 on episode 498, and I'm super excited to dive into him,

01:00:46.200 with him for the full show today.

01:00:48.420 Great to have you.

01:00:48.980 Good to be here, Megan.

01:00:50.520 Okay, can we just start with that?

01:00:52.000 What is functional medicine?

01:00:53.280 Because it's not the same as like traditional medicine.

01:00:55.080 No, you know, traditional medicine is really about sick care.

01:00:57.500 It's diagnosing and treating disease

01:00:59.420 as opposed to the science of creating health.

01:01:01.760 That's what functional medicine is.

01:01:02.780 It sort of reframes our whole perspective

01:01:04.320 to get to root causes rather than just downstream symptoms.

01:01:07.860 So medicine is sort of divided into specialties

01:01:10.080 and different organs and different parts,

01:01:11.640 but your body's one whole ecosystem.

01:01:13.940 And now we begin to understand that

01:01:15.320 and how things like environmental factors,

01:01:18.980 toxins, our diet, stress, allergens, and so forth, interrupt our biology or lack of certain

01:01:26.280 things we need, like the right food, nutrients, amounts of hormones, light, air, water, sleep,

01:01:31.660 connection, movement. All these things are ingredients for health. So functional medicine

01:01:35.320 is about identifying the root causes, which are the lack of things you need to thrive and too

01:01:41.020 much of the stuff that your body doesn't like, whether it's heavy metals or whatever it is,

01:01:44.880 and taking those away. And then your body has this natural intelligence and healing system

01:01:48.640 that allows your body to repair, heal, and renew.

01:01:51.360 And when you create health,

01:01:53.320 disease goes away as a side effect.

01:01:54.580 So functional medicine is really about this new paradigm

01:01:56.780 of dealing with the body as an ecosystem

01:01:58.420 rather than going to a different doctor

01:02:00.900 for every inch of your body.

01:02:01.920 It should just be medicine.

01:02:03.020 Yeah, it just makes sense.

01:02:04.000 But it's not.

01:02:04.700 It's not.

01:02:05.120 It will be.

01:02:05.600 It will be.

01:02:06.040 It's coming.

01:02:06.580 It's like, it's where the science is.

01:02:07.900 It's where we're headed.

01:02:08.540 It takes a generation or two to change science.

01:02:10.840 I was doing some of these things like a year ago.

01:02:13.140 I was getting my life in order physically and in every way.

01:02:16.320 And the woman who was advising me was like, we should, we should get you a test for the 0.95

01:02:20.860 heavy metals in your body.

01:02:21.980 And my doctor was like, no, he refused.

01:02:24.800 Like he, it was actually something he would have had to order, I guess.

01:02:27.380 And he's like, we're not doing that.

01:02:29.120 And like, he was not open-minded to it at all.

01:02:32.740 Some of the other stuff he was like, okay, because I had mold in my apartment or my house

01:02:36.400 at the beach.

01:02:36.820 And he's like, I guess, you know, you can get tested for mold.

01:02:39.000 But then he's like, do you really think it's an issue?

01:02:41.140 He was like, if, if mold were killing people, everybody who lived in the jungle would be

01:02:46.040 dead a lot sooner than people who live in the desert and they're not so i've been like pulled

01:02:50.860 between these two you know because i functional medicine makes so much sense to me and yet my

01:02:56.000 like very like no nonsense traditional doctor is like no yeah no i mean the two things that make

01:03:01.960 us sick are diet and environmental toxins and those things are ignored by traditional medicine

01:03:06.280 my daughter just graduated medical school i mean she learned nothing about these things and yet

01:03:09.900 every day in my practice i see people with chronic illness whether it's autoimmune diseases or

01:03:14.140 whether it's metabolic diseases or whether it's digestive diseases or neurodegenerative things

01:03:18.840 like Alzheimer's. And they're all things that we now begin to understand the root causes. And we

01:03:22.480 can actually change those and reverse those chronic illnesses. Like nobody ever heard of reversing

01:03:27.620 diabetes before. Nobody ever heard of reversing Alzheimer's or reversing autoimmune diseases. And

01:03:31.660 you can. And that's the beauty of what this approach does. It's really where medicine's

01:03:36.140 headed. It's where major sort of academic institutions are researching. But it takes

01:03:41.080 couple of decades for science to become practice. With RFKJ, who I know is a personal friend,

01:03:47.200 Callie and Casey Means, Callie in particular, like a big advisor to him. That's great. He's

01:03:51.240 totally on board with all this. And then you mentioned Dr. Bredesen. He's the Alzheimer's

01:03:56.480 doctor. I mean, he's an expert in Alzheimer's and dementia. He's been on the show a couple of times

01:04:00.200 and he's been saying, you don't have to get Alzheimer's. You can do things in your life

01:04:05.920 to prevent Alzheimer's.

01:04:07.780 But the so-called traditional community looks at him

01:04:10.540 as like, oh, you know, not, I won't say snake-roily,

01:04:14.440 but like, yeah, exactly, fringe.

01:04:16.400 And like, you can't listen to him.

01:04:17.840 I first got introduced to him by Maria Shriver,

01:04:20.520 who was having fun when she was on the Today Show.

01:04:22.440 She's very into Alzheimer's.

01:04:23.820 Absolutely.

01:04:24.540 Anyway. 0.85

01:04:24.860 Well, she's not, she's into stopping.

01:04:26.360 Yeah, yeah, right.

01:04:27.320 She loves Alzheimer's.

01:04:28.680 Yeah, but so, but that's what's happening right now.

01:04:31.500 In the same way we saw, you know, doctors who were like,

01:04:34.020 you might not want to get your seventh COVID vaccine booster, who got dismissed by people

01:04:38.660 like Fauci as fringe, Jay Bhattacharya as focus protection, that's fringe. Now we're having

01:04:44.300 functional medicine doctors looked as fringe, but I think there's a different F word and it's future.

01:04:49.880 That's right. It's future. That's changing. I mean, Toby Cosgrove, who's one of the most

01:04:52.540 visionary leaders in healthcare, was the CEO of Cleveland Clinic for many years. And he invited

01:04:56.420 me to come to Cleveland Clinic to establish the Center for Functional Medicine because he realized

01:05:00.340 that the future is going to look different when it comes to chronic disease, that the old model

01:05:04.000 of looking for a drug for every disease

01:05:06.860 or a pill for every ill

01:05:07.920 is not going to solve the problem.

01:05:09.080 We saw this massive failure with Alzheimer's.

01:05:10.900 We saw billions of dollars of money,

01:05:13.040 federal money and private money and pharma money,

01:05:15.780 going to researching the drugs

01:05:18.380 that they thought would cure Alzheimer's.

01:05:19.880 And none of them have worked.

01:05:21.160 Billions of dollars,

01:05:22.340 hundreds and hundreds of studies.

01:05:23.840 Why?

01:05:24.100 Because they weren't looking in the right place

01:05:25.620 to solve the problem.

01:05:26.280 They were looking at the pathology downstream,

01:05:29.100 not at the upstream causes.

01:05:30.340 And so the causes are not that hard to understand.

01:05:32.600 it's our metabolic crisis pre-diabetes are calling alzheimer's type 3 diabetes which is

01:05:37.780 because of the sugar and metabolic issues in the brain that's why keto diets work so well for

01:05:41.440 alzheimer's they're looking at environmental toxins and they how they play a role there's

01:05:45.520 heavy metals or petrochemicals or other toxins mold may be a factor tick infections may be a factor

01:05:50.400 nutrition deficiencies might be a factor i had a patient who was diagnosed with early dementia and

01:05:55.560 she was an older woman who had absorption issues of b12 and also some genetics around vitamin b6

01:06:01.760 and folic or folic acid i gave her like vitamin p12 such and high doses of b12 and uh and b6 and

01:06:08.020 folate and her dementia went away now that's not saying all causes all diseases with people with

01:06:13.000 dementia have that as their cause but you have to personalize medicine and where everything is going

01:06:16.860 is personalized medicine this is just where where we're headed um leroy hood who's the father of

01:06:21.840 systems biology which is how everything is connected and works together as the body's a

01:06:25.320 network he called it p4 medicine it's preventive it's predictive so you can identify biomarkers

01:06:32.440 or things along the continuum disease not wait till you get something say well you know i have

01:06:36.680 this problem i don't feel good or my tests are abnormal well you don't really quite have a

01:06:39.520 disease yet so come back when you have a really have a disease then i'll give you a drug it's not

01:06:42.520 how we should be doing it so it should be i see this i call it like the queen's medicine you know

01:06:46.140 how did the queen live to be you know or mid-90s queen mom lived to be 101 or two yeah like that

01:06:51.420 because they had personal care that was looking at them all the time on this level, you know,

01:06:56.880 not just like an annual, but, and, and honestly, having known some super rich, like mega billionaires

01:07:02.080 in my media career, they all have somebody who's looking at this stuff all the time.

01:07:07.040 I saw this one guy, super billionaire at this event I went to two years ago. And, uh, this is

01:07:12.840 a swanky event. We were there for a few days put on by, you know, another billionaire, but not

01:07:18.240 notwithstanding billionaire number one had brought all of his food with him yeah you know

01:07:23.380 like he was at that level where he was being advised at that level on his health and the

01:07:27.740 reason i'm mentioning this is because all these people who have money or royalty or whatever

01:07:31.560 they're invested in making sure it's one-on-one care someone's looking at their markers advising

01:07:36.080 them on what they're putting in their body it's not just like try to eat better get a little

01:07:40.920 exercise don't smoke or drink so much right it's much more great much more creative yeah so that's

01:07:45.920 But you're like with functional medicine and with your program too, you can get this without being a billionaire, without being royalty.

01:07:53.320 That's right.

01:07:53.560 It's basically 500 bucks a year.

01:07:55.160 That's right.

01:07:55.620 So Function Health, you know, I'm one doctor and it's going to take a generation to change medicine or two maybe.

01:08:01.960 So how do we leapfrog over that?

01:08:03.500 We need to have business innovation.

01:08:04.900 And that's where we created Function Health, which is a health platform that's personalized, allows you to understand your own biology, be proactive, be the seal of your own health.

01:08:12.080 and we're learning so much about what's going on underneath the hood for the population that

01:08:15.940 never had been done before we now have over i think 180 000 members or have over 20 million

01:08:21.100 data points on these people we can see trends like the severe metabolic crisis we're having

01:08:25.860 in america with high levels of insulin and blood sugar and a1c and also their lipids which which

01:08:30.700 we do in a very deep way to look at their cardiovascular risk that traditional doctors

01:08:34.380 don't do less than one percent of all tests or for this special new advanced lipid profile

01:08:38.600 and less than 1% of all doctors measure insulin,

01:08:42.100 which is the most important test you want to know

01:08:43.860 if you're going to live a long time and be healthy.

01:08:45.620 It's the underlying problem.

01:08:46.420 That's the pre-diabetes thing.

01:08:46.960 Yeah, pre-diabetes, but it's not just pre-diabetes.

01:08:48.760 It causes heart attacks, strokes, cancer, dementia.

01:08:52.520 These are all diseases of insulin resistance.

01:08:55.340 When your body doesn't like sugar

01:08:56.900 and it keeps blocking the effects of insulin,

01:08:59.780 you need more and more insulin

01:09:00.600 and then insulin causes storage of belly fat,

01:09:03.020 it causes inflammation, it makes you hungry,

01:09:04.740 it just creates this whole cascade.

01:09:05.840 And so we're seeing all these amazing things that people didn't know they have,

01:09:10.480 like inflammation is a big driver of disease.

01:09:12.400 46% of our population has inflammation.

01:09:14.840 33% have an autoimmune biomarker, which is sort of amazing to uncover

01:09:19.320 because I don't know what's causing it.

01:09:21.420 Is it our load of environmental toxins?

01:09:22.780 Is it our leaky gut?

01:09:23.640 Is it the COVID, post-COVID phenomena?

01:09:27.180 Well, the vaccine and even just COVID has led to this long COVID phenomena,

01:09:31.060 which is often driving autoimmune disease.

01:09:33.080 And we're also seeing nutritional deficiencies.

01:09:34.840 Over 70% of our population has deficiencies in nutrients

01:09:39.120 at the minimum level to prevent a deficiency disease.

01:09:42.040 So how much vitamin C do you get scurvy?

01:09:44.280 Very little.

01:09:44.960 No, that happened to my husband's good friend on Wall Street

01:09:47.640 when he first started in investment banking.

01:09:49.600 He was eating so poorly.

01:09:51.060 He went to the doctor.

01:09:52.280 This is a guy working in Manhattan.

01:09:53.740 Went to the doctor, they're like, you have scurvy.

01:09:56.700 Have you been on a ship for six months?

01:09:59.160 He's like, no, I've just been at my desk.

01:10:01.860 But I've heard you discuss this on your show

01:10:03.720 where we have what percentage of the population now that's obese?

01:10:07.520 Yeah, it's scary.

01:10:08.500 And yet you're saying they're malnourished.

01:10:10.360 Yeah.

01:10:11.120 People are overfed and undernourished.

01:10:13.280 So we see this double burden of obesity and malnutrition at the same time,

01:10:17.180 especially in kids who are eating junk food.

01:10:18.900 They have tremendous.

01:10:19.900 We're seeing zinc deficiencies, folate deficiencies, iron deficiencies,

01:10:24.560 deficiencies in vitamin D.

01:10:25.900 These are omega-3 deficiencies.

01:10:27.740 These are rampant in our population.

01:10:29.580 And what people don't realize is that these nutrients are the basic lubricants

01:10:32.880 that oil the wheels of your metabolic machinery.

01:10:35.820 So every chemical reaction in your body,

01:10:37.500 and there's 37 billion trillion every second,

01:10:40.280 has to be facilitated by a helper,

01:10:42.100 which is usually a vitamin or mineral.

01:10:44.180 And we're deficient.

01:10:45.640 And it's because we're eating 60% of our diet

01:10:47.620 is ultra-processed food.

01:10:48.920 It's 67% of kids' diet.

01:10:50.940 For every 10% of your diet that's ultra-processed food,

01:10:53.020 your risk of death goes up by 14%.

01:10:54.760 So you do the math.

01:10:55.920 I'm not good at math,

01:10:56.600 but it's a lot of increase in mortality.

01:10:58.860 Those omega-3s you mentioned,

01:11:00.040 so you can get those in something like fish.

01:11:01.780 Fish, yeah.

01:11:02.140 And then the bad omegas are the sixes, which you can get in like vegetable oil.

01:11:05.980 Yeah.

01:11:06.280 And unfortunately, the average kid has a ton of omega sixes in their potato chips and all this.

01:11:10.780 They're not really necessarily balancing them out.

01:11:12.660 And then if you do try to balance them out with seafood or fish, the odds are, if you just get it from the grocery store, it's riddled with mercury.

01:11:19.080 That's right.

01:11:19.620 And it may not even be worth the time.

01:11:20.980 You have to get like wild caught salmon or like herring.

01:11:25.920 It's the smash fish.

01:11:27.440 Yeah, that's right.

01:11:28.480 Salmon, mackerel.

01:11:29.340 But not just any salmon, it has to be wild-caught Alaskan salmon, mackerel, anchovies, and sardines.

01:11:35.940 Sardines, right?

01:11:36.640 Yeah, I love those.

01:11:37.580 I'm Jewish.

01:11:38.120 I like all that.

01:11:38.600 Wait a minute.

01:11:39.280 Have you actually opened up a tin of sardines?

01:11:40.440 Have you been to Russ and Daughters in New York?

01:11:42.240 No, no.

01:11:42.800 Have you ever opened up a tin of sardines and actually eaten fish right out there?

01:11:46.500 100%.

01:11:46.980 Every day.

01:11:47.640 Is it the whole body?

01:11:48.440 Like the little bones or anything?

01:11:49.140 Yeah, the bones are great because sardines are one of the superfoods out there.

01:11:52.780 I just threw up in my mouth.

01:11:53.460 No, come on.

01:11:54.180 It's a superfood.

01:11:55.060 You've got an incredible amount of protein.

01:11:56.580 You've got calcium from the bones, which is highly absorbable.

01:11:59.700 Is it crunchy?

01:12:00.360 Yeah, a little bit.

01:12:01.300 You've got a rich source of omega-3s that are great for your brain health and many other things.

01:12:07.720 And you've got choline, which is also critically important for your brain.

01:12:10.420 So it's an incredible food.

01:12:12.060 Is this available to me via supplement?

01:12:14.180 Yeah, you can say sardine supplements for sure.

01:12:17.800 Well, actually, I just heard something interesting because I was taking fish oil capsules for a while since I eat no fish.

01:12:22.720 But then somebody's like, you know, you got to watch that too because be careful who you buy it from.

01:12:26.860 Yeah, you need a reputable source.

01:12:28.500 Right, because they too could just be getting it from mercury-infested fish.

01:12:32.180 So you're basically taking two mercury capsules every night.

01:12:35.000 Yeah, most of them don't have that.

01:12:36.380 But they filter it, they purify it, and you can look at the before and after testing and see if it's got mercury.

01:12:42.520 Okay, that's good to hear.

01:12:44.180 But anyway, so that's just one of the many lists that you gave that your kids are doing.

01:12:48.560 And I do worry about the kids a lot

01:12:50.200 because you said something that I was like,

01:12:53.580 oh my God, that makes so much sense.

01:12:54.960 Bobby Kennedy's been talking about this too.

01:12:57.880 I cross-examined him for four hours over vaccines.

01:13:00.380 That's how, that's part of his resurrection story.

01:13:02.840 And it was great.

01:13:04.080 He was very strong.

01:13:05.420 He had answers for all of his critics' questions about him,

01:13:08.120 which is what I was fronting.

01:13:09.860 And one of the things he was saying was,

01:13:14.100 no, I have not maintained that vaccines cause autism,

01:13:16.860 But I think that we need to look at the toxic stew the children are growing up in as a potential cause of autism.

01:13:24.180 And what's in the vaccines, like the extras in the vaccines, like mercury or aluminum, should also be factored into that discussion.

01:13:29.980 Made perfect sense to me.

01:13:32.300 But he listed it for me in this discussion saying, look at all the things that kids are going through that were not present when I was a kid.

01:13:38.660 He was talking about like tics and ADHD, like everywhere, autism spectrum diagnoses all over the place.

01:13:46.060 Exploded, yeah.

01:13:46.860 And so that made perfect sense to me.

01:13:48.820 And then I listen more to you

01:13:50.040 and you're even next level with it, I think,

01:13:52.980 because you're like, part of the toxic stew

01:13:55.620 is those potato chips and the soda

01:13:59.360 and the absence of cauliflower and broccoli and kale

01:14:05.120 or any of the cruciferous vegetables 0.99

01:14:07.560 that might help absorb some of the terrible shit 0.99

01:14:10.100 we're putting in our bodies. 0.99

01:14:11.080 They help you detoxify.

01:14:12.260 The kids, and we're allowing it.

01:14:13.380 I mean, I'm guilty of this too, in part.

01:14:15.440 we're allowing the kids to treat their bodies like dumpster fires yeah it's absolutely true i mean

01:14:20.860 you know when you look at what happened from when i was born in 1959 it was a long time ago

01:14:25.640 not that long to to now the change in our chronic disease epidemic is staggering the change in

01:14:32.180 autism rates have gone from one in 10 000 to one in 30 something kids depending on where you look

01:14:36.760 at the data the the rate of neurodevelopmental issues has gone and now affecting one in six

01:14:41.360 children we have we have rising rates of autoimmune disease and allergies and kids we're

01:14:46.520 seeing obviously obesity in kids which never saw before i mean when i was in medical school there

01:14:51.300 was no type 2 or type 1 diabetes it was juvenile onset or adult onset then kids started getting

01:14:56.240 it now 30 plus percent of teenage teenagers have pre-diabetes or type 2 diabetes it's staggering

01:15:01.440 and so the question is why why has this happened what's changed in our culture and our environment

01:15:06.060 and in the food well we've industrialized our food system we've made convenience king we've

01:15:10.920 The food industry has basically taken over, and when I say food, I mean the food and ag

01:15:15.040 industry have taken over our society in ways that are pervasive and actually measurable.

01:15:20.640 They fund academic centers to do research.

01:15:23.500 They fund 12 times as much, quote, nutrition research as the federal government.

01:15:27.100 They fund academic associations like the American Heart Association, which gets $192 million

01:15:32.500 from the food and the pharma industry.

01:15:35.400 They fund the Academy of Nutrition Dietetics, which 40% of their revenue comes from the

01:15:40.340 food companies and when you go to their meetings and i've been there i've spoken there there's like

01:15:43.880 big exhibit halls that say no pictures allowed why because it's full of junk food and they're

01:15:50.000 promoting to the nutritionist as sort of healthy alternatives you know and and so uh you've got

01:15:54.560 them creating front groups like the american council on science and health that is is actually 0.99

01:15:58.940 some of those guys have been in jail for medicare fraud and they're a bunch of quacks who are funded 0.93

01:16:02.620 by big tobacco big food big ag and say they pesticides trans fats and africanous corn syrup 0.99

01:16:07.400 are all healthy for you and then they fund social groups like NAACP and Hispanic Federation to get

01:16:12.540 them to oppose things like soda taxes which we can argue is good or bad but they they want to

01:16:16.920 lie themselves so they don't push back on them and they target those groups more directly than

01:16:21.600 than other groups in society by the way remiss if we didn't mention they also fund our lawmakers

01:16:26.000 yeah well I was about to say that and they're the biggest they're their biggest lobbying group so

01:16:30.000 they fund huge amounts of miseducation and misinformation on both sides neither party 0.97

01:16:34.880 isn't immune from this the republicans are just as corrupt as the democrats are and taking money

01:16:38.680 from these groups and voting according 100 i mean i i roger marshall who's now the head of

01:16:42.780 maha caucus in the senate uh i called him out in my book food text i said you know there was a

01:16:47.580 a panel on chronic disease and a hearing in congress and he was emphasizing it was just

01:16:52.860 exercise that was the issue it wasn't diet at all and he was you know funded by the

01:16:56.780 confectioner association of the show and i and i and now we become friends and i said listen roger

01:17:01.960 I called you out in that book.

01:17:03.460 Just hope you don't mind.

01:17:04.460 Just don't worry.

01:17:05.400 He's seen the lights in.

01:17:06.400 Yeah, yeah.

01:17:06.980 So, you know, people have changed.

01:17:08.400 No, there was an update today.

01:17:09.640 Hold on, before it came to air.

01:17:11.540 This just happened.

01:17:13.640 Yeah, we're trying to get Cali Means and RFKJ

01:17:15.860 are trying to make it such that people cannot use food stamps to buy soda.

01:17:21.860 Yeah, that's a big one.

01:17:22.560 You know, to try to encourage our poorest Americans

01:17:25.940 when they need food stamps to use them for high-nutrition foods

01:17:29.200 and not the worst of the worst.

01:17:31.300 And tooth and nail, the soda companies are fighting this.

01:17:33.860 It's worth something like $60 billion a year to them.

01:17:36.780 And this just happened in Arizona where there was a bill to remove soda from the things you could buy with food stamps, with SNAP.

01:17:45.720 And they voted against it.

01:17:48.640 And the bill failed to make it out of the Health and Human Services Committee in the Arizona legislature by a vote of 6-6.

01:17:55.440 And who cast the deciding vote against it?

01:17:57.840 a Republican, Ralph Heap, voted

01:17:59.900 against it alongside the Democrats. By the

01:18:01.940 way, not for nothing, but here is

01:18:03.460 I think we have Cali Means. Yeah, here's Cali

01:18:05.940 Means reacting to that in South 1.

01:18:08.500 So there's no correlation or causation

01:18:10.040 between soda and obesity rates?

01:18:12.040 If your concern is obesity,

01:18:13.520 then we should be talking about obesity.

01:18:16.440 We shouldn't be talking about obesity

01:18:17.840 for SNAP recipients who have social determinants

01:18:20.280 of health beyond just what they

01:18:22.020 eat. The thing is that the general public would consider

01:18:24.080 unhealthy. I mean, who knows what the general

01:18:25.960 public considers unhealthy?

01:18:27.220 If the government tries to define in state statute what's a good food and what's a bad food, it's very, very complicated.

01:18:34.840 We are not going to subsidize sugary drinks and candy for our kids.

01:18:39.140 It's criminal.

01:18:40.140 This is a no-brainer situation.

01:18:41.660 And frankly, these two speakers before me should be ashamed of themselves.

01:18:45.340 You're crossing a line right there.

01:18:46.840 You're crossing a line.

01:18:49.300 God bless him.

01:18:50.820 Good.

01:18:51.360 It's hard to imagine how those guys go to sleep at night saying what they say.

01:18:55.460 Right?

01:18:55.700 I mean, it's, to say there's no connection between sugar and-

01:18:59.440 It's social factors that's causing all the obesity amongst the people.

01:19:01.100 Yeah, it's not just poverty.

01:19:02.460 And by the way, it's affecting all sectors of society, not just the poor, but-

01:19:05.760 Last I checked, J.B. Pritzker is pretty rich, and he's morbidly obese by anyone's standards.

01:19:10.680 That's true.

01:19:11.300 But when you look at SNAP or food stamps, it's called Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program,

01:19:17.440 but it's really about food security, which means you can have calories.

01:19:20.380 So you can eat 2,500 calories of soda a day, and that's enough to fuel your metabolism.

01:19:26.820 To keep you alive.

01:19:27.400 But it's going to kill you. 0.70

01:19:28.240 Yeah, for some extent.

01:19:29.440 And it's not nutrition security, which is what we need in America, which is providing enough nutrients to people who have also food insecurity.

01:19:37.420 And when you look at SNAP, 20% of Coca-Cola's U.S. profits come from food stamps.

01:19:43.300 It's a big chunk of Walmart's profits.

01:19:44.620 It's huge.

01:19:45.060 And the people don't realize that we pay for the problem multiple times.

01:19:52.380 There's a new kind of concept called the commercial determinants of health,

01:19:56.600 which is how multinational and transnational corporations privatize profits

01:20:00.500 and socialize the cost of suburb public health.

01:20:03.080 And so the taxpayer is paying the bill.

01:20:05.260 We pay like probably four times, for example, for the food.

01:20:08.960 We pay to buy that soda.

01:20:09.840 That's right.

01:20:10.080 We pay for the farmers to grow the corn that makes the high-fructose corn syrup

01:20:14.180 that goes in the soda then we pay for the soda but snap and then we pay for medicare medicaid on

01:20:19.560 the back end to deal with the chronic diseases like diabetes that result from it and who's paying

01:20:24.600 for the environmental consequences of how we grow the food using uh methods that disrupt our soil

01:20:29.520 the loss of soil organic matter we've lost a third of all our topsoil soon we're going to lose all of

01:20:34.140 it the amount of water resources we use to to irrigate which are which are because the farming

01:20:39.960 methods don't retain water in the soil for every one percent organic matter you retain 25 000

01:20:44.440 gallons of water per acre so we're losing huge amounts of our of our water infrastructure and

01:20:49.660 we're also poisoning the rivers and lakes because all the neuroelectrician fertilizer flows down to

01:20:54.360 them and causes the overgrowth of algae which sucks all the oxygen out and kills the fish and

01:20:58.240 so we have dead zones the size of new jersey in the gulf of mexico or america whatever i call it

01:21:02.520 now and there's 400 of those around the world that feed half a billion people and then we lose

01:21:06.520 biodiversity. 75% of pollinators are gone. So the list goes on. Who's paying for all that? Who's

01:21:11.260 paying for the bees being destroyed? Who's paying for the water being destroyed? Who's paying for

01:21:13.820 the fish being destroyed? So basically it's us. This is the part of the conversation where I just

01:21:18.260 want to open up a bag of Doritos. I give up. I give up. I can't. There's no winning. We're

01:21:24.060 probably inhaling enough microplastics to kill us right now. It's like, by the way, that was

01:21:28.120 another thing I learned in preparation for today. The average person, is it here? The average person

01:21:32.680 now today um has this is from uh it was on the it was in the new york times today on micro

01:21:38.520 microplastics the human brain samples from 2024 had nearly 50 50 percent more microplastics than

01:21:44.940 brain samples from 2016 they estimate there are five bottle caps worth of plastic in the average

01:21:52.540 can't be good can't be good five bottle caps can't spare it no and it was so so it's overwhelming

01:21:57.980 like the farming that let's just start there you know that's what like casey and cali have been

01:22:02.500 saying we need regenerative farming, which I don't really totally understand. But it seems like it's

01:22:07.840 going to be really hard to make the farmers do that and really expensive. And when I sat in on

01:22:12.780 those RFKJ confirmation hearings, even the Republican senators seemed to be like a little

01:22:17.100 like, I'm totally for you, except when it comes to the farmers. Yeah. Well, the thing is the farmers

01:22:21.780 are a big voting base. And so you don't want to lose them. But you also want to take care of them

01:22:25.740 because when you look at farmers in this country, suicide rates are higher than almost any population,

01:22:30.680 chronic disease rates, Parkinson's, cancer because of how they're farming.

01:22:34.420 They're not able to make significant profits.

01:22:36.580 They're really marginalized in terms of their way they're stuck between the bank loans,

01:22:40.960 the crop insurance, and the seed and chemical companies that they have to buy the seeds and the chemicals from.

01:22:45.680 So they're kind of stuck in the middle.

01:22:47.680 And there is a way out.

01:22:48.800 And it's been demonstrated.

01:22:50.460 The science is there.

01:22:51.780 The economics are there to convert farms that are industrial farms to regenerative farms.

01:22:56.880 And that can be done at scale.

01:22:57.820 and this has been well shown in a movie coming up

01:22:59.540 called Common Ground.

01:23:00.480 I think it's going to be released in about a week on Amazon.

01:23:04.020 On regenerative farming.

01:23:04.900 Yeah, and it shows how these big corn farmers

01:23:07.480 can actually do this. 0.95

01:23:08.460 And they make more money.

01:23:10.660 They restore the ecosystem.

01:23:11.720 And what is regenerative farming?

01:23:12.800 It's basically mimicking nature.

01:23:14.640 Gabe Brown was a farmer in North Dakota,

01:23:17.080 a conventional farmer.

01:23:18.560 And his farm was destroyed by drought and hail

01:23:20.940 and all kinds of things.

01:23:21.820 And he was like, what am I going to do?

01:23:23.080 And he started reading Thomas Jefferson's journals.

01:23:25.100 And in the journals, it explained how he used methods to restore the ecosystem, to use natural pest control methods, to actually use methods that actually restore soil, that retain water, that do all the things we want to do.

01:23:38.100 And Gabe Brown has demonstrated this on his 5,000-acre farm in North Dakota and has actually makes 20 times as much money, restored the soil, doesn't use irrigation, doesn't need to use chemicals, produced much more food, much more nutrient-dense food.

01:23:52.400 And it's all been well-documented through science.

01:23:54.240 So it's possible.

01:23:55.880 It's just a matter of how do we transition farmers?

01:23:58.420 How do we support them to do that?

01:23:59.760 And private equity is investing in this.

01:24:01.560 I mean, private equity is in paying farmers to convert

01:24:04.560 because they know they're going to get a return on the back end.

01:24:06.680 To regenerate it.

01:24:07.200 Yeah, they know it's a profit center

01:24:09.640 and they're going to make more money than industrial farmers.

01:24:11.660 I was just thinking about wind turbines,

01:24:13.680 which many of us absolutely hate.

01:24:16.560 Yeah, they're kind of ugly. 0.93

01:24:18.720 Most environmentalists hate them. 1.00

01:24:20.260 Kill the birds, yeah. 0.96

01:24:20.700 Yeah, they kill the birds, they kill the land.

01:24:21.920 It's like they're full of toxins.

01:24:23.300 The blades are as long as a football field.

01:24:27.460 Each blade is as long as a football field and several tons.

01:24:30.700 And you get up to hundreds of them in a wind farm.

01:24:35.060 Anyway, we have a summer home along the Jersey Shore,

01:24:38.760 and they're about to get pummeled by one of these wind farms,

01:24:41.080 and it's just so disgusting.

01:24:42.380 Thank God for Trump for stopping most of them in progress.

01:24:45.080 I don't think that order was going to help us.

01:24:47.640 But in any event, all the money that Obama and Joe Biden

01:24:52.100 have been funneling into wind and solar energy,

01:24:55.900 which is very inefficient.

01:24:57.380 It costs so much.

01:24:58.220 It requires so much land and toxins 1.00

01:25:00.640 and reliance on the Chinese and so on. 1.00

01:25:03.620 Why don't we funnel that into American farmers 0.99

01:25:05.920 to help them switch over to regenerative farming? 0.98

01:25:08.180 100%.

01:25:08.660 It's one of the best things we can do

01:25:10.500 for the environment, for the climate, for energy.

01:25:13.580 I mean, there's so much oil used in farming.

01:25:17.420 People don't realize it's a huge amount of the inputs

01:25:20.060 are all oil-based,

01:25:21.220 the fertilizers,

01:25:21.980 the pesticides,

01:25:22.880 the amount of oil usage,

01:25:24.720 the big machinery.

01:25:25.940 All that is an enormous amount of oil

01:25:27.960 that we use just to grow vegetables

01:25:29.440 and grow corn and grow soy and wheat.

01:25:31.880 So that can be changed.

01:25:33.740 By the way,

01:25:34.360 my husband wrote a book on Rudolph Diesel

01:25:35.820 who invented the diesel engine.

01:25:37.260 They should be using diesel engines

01:25:38.640 and powering them with corn.

01:25:40.280 That's a place we could use good corn oil

01:25:42.020 or vegetable oil.

01:25:43.440 They can power the engines of the tractors.

01:25:44.980 Better to use it in the engines

01:25:46.440 than in their bodies.

01:25:47.400 That's how the diesel engine was born.

01:25:50.060 okay so regenerative farming is definitely one of the things now what happens when the average

01:25:56.500 patient comes in to see you like you do the blood tests and where do you start like what for the

01:26:01.580 average listener like what are the top five because they don't know how to read their blood tests

01:26:04.580 you know i i am consider myself a relatively sophisticated consumer in this department i

01:26:10.960 don't know how to read my blood tests i know you're supposed to look at the hdl and the ldl

01:26:14.360 and beyond that i don't really know right right right so what what should the average person be

01:26:18.200 looking at what's one of the most important things well i you know i think we've had this

01:26:23.460 edifice in medicine where the doctor is the gatekeeper and the healthcare system is the

01:26:26.980 gatekeeper between you and your own biology and i believe that needs to be changed and people

01:26:30.540 should be empowered to know what's going on in their bodies and to have the information to

01:26:34.400 interpret it and that's really why we co-founded functional health was to allow us to break down

01:26:39.260 that barrier to allow a personalized health platform to allow you access to your data and

01:26:43.520 then to know what to do about it what does it mean yeah and and do you give them a code a code i mean

01:26:49.520 like you have all the numbers now after your blood tested through function but like now what do you

01:26:53.860 do yeah how do you figure out what it means essentially we're we're building the engine and

01:26:57.280 we have tens of thousands of pages of content that educates people about what it means what to do

01:27:01.860 about it what the root cause or so let's say you have a positive autoimmune antibody in a traditional

01:27:06.900 healthcare system you say okay you're going to go to the rheumatologist they're going to see if they

01:27:10.020 can diagnose you with some autoimmune disease and then they're going to give you an anti-inflammatory

01:27:13.640 drug that's going to suppress your immune system whether it's a steroid or a biologic that costs

01:27:17.000 50,000 dollars a year they're not going to go why is this abnormal so we guide you through an

01:27:21.880 understanding of what it means and why is this potentially an issue is it because you're you

01:27:27.220 have a leaky gut and your microbiome is messed up is it because you're eating gluten and it's

01:27:30.700 driving that autoimmune biochemistry or is it because you're exposed to environmental toxins

01:27:34.840 that are immunotoxic that affect you.

01:27:37.540 So we begin to sort of sift through,

01:27:39.660 or is it because you had COVID

01:27:40.680 or because you have Lyme disease or whatever?

01:27:43.160 And then you can sort of sift through and say,

01:27:44.920 oh, gee, this is why I may be sick.

01:27:46.880 And then we say, here's how you further investigate.

01:27:48.700 And here's the kinds of doctor you want to see.

01:27:50.600 And here's the next steps.

01:27:51.520 Or here's things you can do on your own.

01:27:52.960 So it's really about self-empowerment.

01:27:54.980 By the way, this is all the stuff

01:27:56.020 that Dr. Bredesen says about preventing Alzheimer's.

01:27:58.600 This is so worth it for everybody's time.

01:28:00.240 100%.

01:28:00.560 It's preventing everything.

01:28:01.960 Because it's like, you know,

01:28:03.440 there are a few common causes.

01:28:04.840 that drive all the chronic disease we're seeing.

01:28:07.680 And it's not that hard.

01:28:08.580 It's too much of the bad stuff

01:28:09.900 and not enough of the good stuff that our bodies need.

01:28:11.900 And when you take out the bad stuff,

01:28:13.020 you put in the good stuff,

01:28:14.140 which is essentially what functional medicine is,

01:28:16.400 the body knows what to do.

01:28:18.200 So I'll give you an example. 0.93

01:28:19.300 So I had a patient come in and she had psoriatic arthritis.

01:28:21.420 She had terrible inflammation of her skin

01:28:23.580 and joints were swollen, you know, the heartbreak of psoriasis.

01:28:26.520 But she also had terrible heartburn and reflux.

01:28:29.080 She had terrible irritable bowel syndrome.

01:28:30.760 She had migraines.

01:28:31.700 She had depression.

01:28:32.780 She had prediabetes.

01:28:33.840 She was overweight. 0.99

01:28:34.840 And she was, you know, 50-issue business coach.

01:28:38.400 And I said, gee, you know, what are all these things, how are all these things related?

01:28:43.600 Instead of, you know, seeing the best doctors, which she did at Cleveland Clinic, the best doctors in rheumatology, the best migraine doctor, the best GI doctor, the best depression psychiatrist.

01:28:52.140 And she was seeing the best of every class and got the best of the state-of-the-art current model of treatment, which was just pharmaceutical drugs.

01:28:59.080 Nobody said, why is she having these problems?

01:29:01.660 It's the medicine of why, not what.

01:29:03.160 why do you have this not what disease do you have not what drug do i give but why and then we

01:29:07.240 investigated because she had all these gut issues a lot of your immune system is in your gut and so 1.00

01:29:11.860 i cleaned up her gut i got rid of the bad bugs i gave her an antibiotic and antifungal restored

01:29:16.020 her microbiome with probiotics gave her some fish oil and vitamin d came back six weeks later and

01:29:20.180 she's like doc everything's gone well i lost 20 pounds my psoriasis gone my arthritis is gone

01:29:25.120 my migraines are gone my depression is gone i feel great my irritable bowel reflux are gone

01:29:29.740 and i stopped all my medications i'm like i didn't tell you to do that she's like no i just was

01:29:32.760 feeling so good i stopped them and so once you understand how to unlock someone's health and give

01:29:38.560 them the roadmap they can do it have you seen this in children too yes of course i mean i'm a family

01:29:44.580 doctor and i've treated you know thousands and thousands of kids and and it's just so disturbing

01:29:49.840 to me when i see the kinds of things that really are affecting these kids i mean i had one little

01:29:54.200 girl who was uh 10 years old and she had this horrible autoimmune condition that was triggered

01:29:59.500 by her eating crappy sugary diet that was causing tons of yeast overgrowth in her gut she also had

01:30:05.480 gluten antibodies that were causing some injury to her gut lining that can trigger autoimmunity

01:30:09.440 she also loved sushi which was weird for a kid but she left a lot of mercury laden tuna she was

01:30:14.420 eating a lot of that so she had mercury toxicity and we basically reset her gut we put on elimination

01:30:18.600 diet i gave her some things to get rid of the the overgrowth of yeast in her gut and i gave her

01:30:22.920 chelation to get rid of the mercury and she had something that was she was on like 1200 milligrams 0.93

01:30:28.500 of solumedrol which is like a horse dose of steroids well every three weeks intravenously

01:30:32.900 she was on chemo drug called methotrexate she was on like drugs to help with her rain nose and other 0.99

01:30:38.240 their gut issues so calcium channel blockers she was on a whole list of things aspen because she 0.98

01:30:42.140 had more blood clotting she's on a pile of drugs and and she really couldn't function really very 0.98

01:30:47.260 well and she completely fixed it she's 100 better and you know i checked with her 10 years later

01:30:52.660 she's doing great you know she's gone to college and is really healthy and so we we see that if

01:30:57.460 we started to dig into the root causes

01:30:59.160 and help people understand

01:31:00.140 how their body is actually organized,

01:31:01.780 not how medicine currently organizes it. 0.60

01:31:04.100 We can do tremendous amounts.

01:31:05.260 And that's really why I think function health

01:31:06.640 is so important

01:31:07.380 because it helps us leaf frog over the current medicine,

01:31:10.060 empowers people with their data

01:31:11.000 and helps them understand what to do about it.

01:31:13.760 I heard you talking with someone,

01:31:16.120 and forgive me if you weren't the one with this story,

01:31:17.840 but I think it was you,

01:31:18.680 talking about a kid's handwriting.

01:31:20.580 Oh yeah, that was me.

01:31:21.220 Yeah.

01:31:21.620 Yeah.

01:31:21.920 So, I mean, we hopefully can show this on the show,

01:31:24.240 but there's a kid I had who had ADD.

01:31:26.000 And this is what first got me to realize that what was happening in the body

01:31:30.040 affected the brain in a very profound way.

01:31:32.460 It wasn't just the mind-body effect, but the body-mind effect.

01:31:34.880 And many of our psychiatric illnesses are caused by dysfunctions that we can treat,

01:31:38.820 not with ADD medication, which is now prescribed.

01:31:42.140 We are going to definitely spend time on this.

01:31:43.520 This is interesting.

01:31:44.020 Yeah, I mean, and this kid had ADD, but he had also all these other issues.

01:31:49.020 He had asthma, and he had allergies, and he had stomach aches,

01:31:51.980 and he had headaches, and a whole list of stuff.

01:31:54.400 and he was seeing seven different doctors.

01:31:56.200 It's about seven different prescriptions.

01:31:58.080 And he was on Ritalin.

01:31:59.040 He'd been kicked out of kindergarten.

01:32:00.440 He was that bad.

01:32:01.040 Oh, boy.

01:32:01.780 And his writing was terrible.

01:32:03.700 These kids often have what we call dysgraphia.

01:32:05.800 It means you can't read their writing,

01:32:07.240 a really poor handwriting.

01:32:08.340 But at 12 years old, you couldn't even read it.

01:32:11.260 And his mother came to see me.

01:32:13.540 We put him on a clean diet.

01:32:14.800 He was only eating processed food.

01:32:16.300 We did a nutritional testing.

01:32:17.640 And it was so malnourished.

01:32:19.620 He wasn't really overweight,

01:32:20.600 but he was really malnourished.

01:32:21.660 I don't know.

01:32:22.320 Is it so strange that a mother who would be like taking all those doctors and like having.

01:32:26.840 Well, she finally got to me.

01:32:27.920 She didn't like it, but she's like doing the best she could.

01:32:30.120 As a mother, you don't know.

01:32:31.600 And then she heard it.

01:32:32.200 It doesn't even occur to you that maybe it's nutrition.

01:32:33.840 I think for a lot of people, it doesn't even occur to you.

01:32:35.920 Especially with a child who you think can process anything no matter what you do.

01:32:39.100 And two months later, the mother brings him back and he's doing better at every level.

01:32:44.160 And he's off all the medications.

01:32:45.700 But what was so striking to me was his handwriting before and after.

01:32:48.760 She showed me his handwriting from his homework.

01:32:50.880 And it was like a different kid.

01:32:52.320 And it was at that moment I go, wow, how did his brain go from being chaotic and dysfunctional and not synchronizing properly to being kind of functioning and organized and structured so that he can actually function in the world and not have ADD and his handwriting go back to normal?

01:33:08.180 Because it wasn't like I gave him a handwriting class.

01:33:10.740 And I was like, wow, this is crazy.

01:33:12.960 And that led to me writing this book called The Ultra Mind Solution, which is how to fix your broken brain by fixing your body first.

01:33:17.440 And this was like 15 plus years ago.

01:33:19.320 And now there's departments of metabolic psychiatry at Stanford,

01:33:22.280 nutritional psychiatry at Harvard.

01:33:24.040 You guys, Chris Palmer, who's a Harvard professor,

01:33:26.940 is a psychiatrist who discovered accidentally

01:33:29.360 you could cure schizophrenia on a ketogenic diet.

01:33:31.720 And now there's a $3 million grant that just got given to Mayo

01:33:34.640 to study ketogenic diets and severe mental illness

01:33:37.720 like bipolar disease and schizophrenia.

01:33:39.620 And we had such a stigma against this.

01:33:41.320 Instead of understanding that this is something that actually

01:33:43.120 is because our biology is just not functioning properly.

01:33:46.040 You know what I'm thinking about right now?

01:33:46.860 After we had, you know, did you watch that round table that they had in the U.S. Senate with Ron Johnson and Callie and Casey were there?

01:33:55.260 And the Atlantic did a big write-up of it after and called it the Woo-Woo Caucus.

01:34:00.600 Yeah, yeah.

01:34:00.960 They were so dismissive and disgusting about these ideas being discussed in a serious way.

01:34:06.500 And that's what we're up against is that, you know, you start to say, like, maybe we can head off schizophrenia with diet.

01:34:14.740 Yeah.

01:34:14.980 And they say, I'm out. 1.00

01:34:16.260 You're crazy. 0.82

01:34:16.860 Yeah, but this is actually looking at academic medical centers. 0.96

01:34:20.880 This is what they're studying.

01:34:22.060 Like they're looking at these things seriously because the data is there.

01:34:26.040 And so, you know, Max Planck, who was a physicist, said, you know,

01:34:29.060 scientists doesn't advance by convincing your opponents and helping them see the light,

01:34:32.420 but because a new generation grows up that's familiar with it.

01:34:34.520 In other words, medicine advances one funeral at a time.

01:34:37.480 Yes, right.

01:34:38.380 And so it's unfortunate.

01:34:40.140 People get very ossified in their ideas.

01:34:42.140 And Thomas Kuhn wrote about this in The Structure of Scientific Revolutions,

01:34:44.780 how it's very difficult to convert people

01:34:47.440 who believe a certain thing,

01:34:48.600 like the earth is flat

01:34:49.420 or the earth is the center of the universe

01:34:51.280 or that species arise in their fixed state.

01:34:53.620 Or that it was an insurrection.

01:34:55.480 Whatever, yeah.

01:34:56.880 People basically just have this very fixed view

01:35:00.200 of the way things are

01:35:01.120 and it's very hard to change that.

01:35:03.240 Paradigms are really hard to change. 0.78

01:35:04.440 We just think autism was caused by refrigerator mothers, 0.86

01:35:06.920 that ulcers are caused by stress. 0.55

01:35:09.080 And the guy who actually was a gastroenterologist

01:35:11.760 would notice in the biopsy,

01:35:12.860 He's in the stomach that there was this bacteria hanging around.

01:35:14.840 He's like, what is this?

01:35:15.560 Maybe this is the cause.

01:35:16.720 And everybody laughed at him.

01:35:17.840 The whole gastroenterology field just made him a joke.

01:35:20.460 And he said, well, I'm going to prove it.

01:35:21.400 He's drank a beaker of this bacteria.

01:35:23.460 He got his partner to, like, he got an ulcer.

01:35:25.980 He got his partner to scope him before and after.

01:35:27.860 He took antibiotics, cured the ulcer, and then proved it.

01:35:30.640 And he won the Nobel Prize for it.

01:35:31.860 Oh, wow.

01:35:32.540 So, you know, what one day seems like a quack, the next day is actually standard of care.

01:35:38.140 To me, it just doesn't seem quacky at all.

01:35:39.680 it seems like absolutely logical and sensible.

01:35:42.720 It's just people won't accept it.

01:35:44.140 And I think part of it is,

01:35:45.740 it's so much easier to take a pill.

01:35:47.280 You much rather be told,

01:35:48.580 just take this drug and you're good.

01:35:49.840 As opposed to completely change the way you eat

01:35:51.800 and by the way, you need to move more.

01:35:53.200 I mean, it's so hard to do, Megan, in our environment

01:35:55.720 because everything is set up for us to fail.

01:35:57.960 We have a toxic wasteland of nutrition that we live in.

01:36:01.040 We don't need to move our bodies at all if we don't want to.

01:36:03.400 We don't get outside very much.

01:36:05.360 We have so much stress.

01:36:06.460 We have high levels of stress.

01:36:07.900 We don't sleep well.

01:36:08.580 these are just fundamental things that the human organism needs to have in order to thrive and

01:36:13.440 you know we we take care of our dogs and our animals and our horse race horses in ways that

01:36:18.100 we you know in ways that are are so much better than we take care of ourselves like we wouldn't

01:36:22.600 feed our our million dollar racehorse a mcdonald big fries and a coke we'd feed it to our kids

01:36:26.580 right right well i was thinking about what you just said uh about how we're just not set up

01:36:30.640 you know for success here and the family went to scandinavia in june we did sweden norway and

01:36:37.360 denmark and they're all basically the same country but in terms of their approach to lifestyle and so

01:36:42.640 on but in denmark they have it set up there there's there's some waterways there and they

01:36:48.380 have it set up so that almost every office building has a stairway down to the water

01:36:51.940 yeah and it's encouraged that on your lunch break you walk in you would go take a swim yeah you

01:36:57.820 would go downstairs you'd eat outside and it's cold there they know that but they all bike to

01:37:03.060 work. First of all, everybody bikes, even the royalty in Denmark and Sweden, they bike around

01:37:08.120 a very sort of mobile culture. And then think about it. If you went to the office and the

01:37:13.220 office culture was during lunch, we eat healthy. We go outside, we swim in the water. And then

01:37:20.440 there are showers to shower off. When you get back into the office, you have a 90 minute break

01:37:24.500 where you can do all of that. And then back to work. We're the opposite. We're like, what the

01:37:29.480 hell were you doing away from your desk for 90 minutes for 90 seconds you know scandinavia no

01:37:34.960 we're the usa we produce you know we're the envy of the world in terms of our production and so on

01:37:38.760 that's our mindset there are some benefits to it but in the health department not not really no no

01:37:44.560 it's it's uh it's very disturbing i mean when you look at it as compared to every other country

01:37:48.280 we're we spend more than twice any other nation on health care which is almost five trillion dollars

01:37:52.960 one in five dollars of our economy it's the federal government pays for 40 of that and it's

01:37:58.540 one in three federal dollars so we're footing the bill and and we have we're 48th in life expectancy

01:38:03.860 i think cuba and albania are better than us oh my god albania i think so maybe they don't have

01:38:09.300 good records but like that when you look at the list like what are we doing here at the bottom

01:38:12.980 of the list and i mean trump on joe rogan he showed the number one reason for that what's

01:38:17.400 the number if you had to pick one i think it's it's it's our it's our uh diet ultra processed

01:38:22.440 foods yeah it's it's the it's the uh takeover of the american food supply by the industrial food

01:38:28.000 system yeah and chemicals everywhere i mean like within that what's the number one culprit ultra

01:38:32.620 process i think chemicals i think it's sugar and starch sugar and starch and then you can add in

01:38:36.940 the chemicals and all the rest of it and by the way is is is bread um it's bread bad is bread

01:38:43.320 basically sugar yeah well actually the glycemic something called the glycemic index which is how

01:38:47.680 much a given food raises your blood sugar is based on white bread so that's a hundred so that's the

01:38:52.860 highest sugar is actually 80 because it's made up of fructose and glucose but it's a little bit

01:38:58.880 trick because fructose doesn't raise your blood sugar but but they both have the same yeah below

01:39:03.020 the neck your body cannot tell the difference between a bowl of cereal or a bowl of sugar

01:39:07.420 wow no or a loaf of bread or a loaf of bread you keep it's just the same thing so when you eat

01:39:12.580 white bread you're basically eating sugar and and the american population consumes 152 pounds of

01:39:18.780 sugar and 133 pounds of flour per person per year that's almost three quarters of a pound

01:39:25.060 per day you know i mean the the diet carry guidelines which need to be fixed and i'm

01:39:31.100 working on that with a non-profit good that 10 of our diet they say can be sugar that's 12

01:39:36.340 teaspoons in an average 2,000 calorie diet for a kid the average kid's eating 36 teaspoons of

01:39:40.320 sugar a day well that and that's a pharmacologic dose cali or casey one of them was saying at the

01:39:46.100 the turn of the 20th century, you know, the 1900 or so,

01:39:49.960 the average, you know, recommended daily,

01:39:52.040 or no, the average intake of sugar

01:39:53.680 amongst American children was zero.

01:39:56.680 Yeah.

01:39:57.560 Zero on a day-to-day basis.

01:39:59.020 Now they say you can have like 28 grams.

01:40:00.680 Yeah, it's crazy.

01:40:01.300 It was zero.

01:40:02.060 Yeah.

01:40:02.380 Well, you know, when the World Health Organization

01:40:04.420 tried to reduce the recommended amount of sugar

01:40:08.300 to 5% of your diet from 10% in the recommendations,

01:40:11.740 Donald Rumsfeld, when he was under Bush too,

01:40:13.880 flew to Geneva and said,

01:40:17.580 we're going to pull our $400 million of funding from you

01:40:19.640 if you do that.

01:40:22.160 What?

01:40:22.600 It's crazy, yeah.

01:40:23.580 I mean, that's how powerful the food industry is.

01:40:25.180 They have infiltrated every aspect of our society.

01:40:27.780 Oh, and, and.

01:40:28.920 Not to mention that they're basically accounted

01:40:30.680 for most of the marketing and TV besides pharma. 0.96

01:40:33.020 It's all junk food.

01:40:33.900 I mean, I watched the Super Bowl last year.

01:40:35.100 It was 11 junk food ads in the first half.

01:40:37.320 They're pushers. 0.93

01:40:38.060 Yeah. 1.00

01:40:38.480 They're pushers.

01:40:38.980 If they were doing this with heroin,

01:40:40.760 we would see the danger.

01:40:41.780 Well, it's addictive.

01:40:42.440 I mean, the science is so clear

01:40:43.820 in this, Megan, 14% of adults and kids are biologically addicted to food. This is according

01:40:48.940 to the Yale Food Addiction Scale. It's a scientifically evaluated metric for looking

01:40:52.120 at food addiction. And I'm not talking about just like, oh, I love cookies because I love

01:40:55.160 cookies, but like people who really can't stop, like an alcoholic. That's staggering.

01:40:59.800 And these companies know this. They've designed the food to be like this. The tobacco companies

01:41:04.820 bought in the 70s a lot of the food companies like RJ and Hrabisco and Philip Morris Craft,

01:41:09.540 right? Yes. They got out of cigarettes and into crackers.

01:41:12.960 And they engineered these foods with taste institutes where they hired craving experts to create the bliss point of food, to create heavy users.

01:41:19.920 These are their own internal terms they use.

01:41:21.580 And in fact, they actually take little two-year-olds and put them in MRI scanners to see which images will light up their brain in their pleasure center.

01:41:27.720 So they'll say to their mommy when they go to the grocery stores, buy this, buy that, give me the cocoa pebbles or whatever it is.

01:41:33.380 That is so dark.

01:41:34.280 I was just thinking about my little guy today at breakfast who was like, mom, there's this meal service that will deliver the meals pre-made if you want to sign on to that.

01:41:40.840 And I was like, well, they did a good job

01:41:42.780 if they got to my 11-year-old

01:41:44.300 who brought it to me at the breakfast table, right?

01:41:46.280 Like they're definitely marketing to the right people.

01:41:48.920 But there's so much to go over.

01:41:51.680 I wanted to say something about the food.

01:41:53.360 Oh, is it true that Bayer bought Monsanto?

01:41:58.760 So one of the biggest drug companies in the world

01:42:00.980 bought one of the biggest chemical companies in the world

01:42:03.440 that's spraying our food with everything,

01:42:06.020 getting us sick by the day.

01:42:09.260 And then where do we go?

01:42:10.840 back to the medical companies.

01:42:12.920 That's right.

01:42:13.260 Well, it's actually there

01:42:14.900 who makes some of the drugs

01:42:16.640 for non-Hodgkin's lymphoma.

01:42:18.040 Oh, wow.

01:42:18.480 And there's been multiple lawsuits

01:42:21.560 that have been won.

01:42:22.020 Yeah, wasn't there just one?

01:42:23.220 Yeah, $2.1 billion settlement

01:42:24.800 for glyphosate,

01:42:26.200 which is Roundup

01:42:26.860 or basically an herbicide

01:42:29.200 that is sprayed on 70% of crops

01:42:31.560 that is in most of our bodies

01:42:34.480 and most of our urine.

01:42:35.480 I mean, I tested this

01:42:36.260 and you can see it.

01:42:36.980 It's pretty scary.

01:42:37.840 and they basically on one hand caused the disease and then they on the other hand treat it with the

01:42:44.140 drugs it's a good business model it's a great really scares me because one of the things you

01:42:49.260 don't think about even if you try to eat healthy back to that guy who's carrying around his food

01:42:53.900 everywhere that billionaire yeah is what about when you go out to eat you don't know what about

01:42:58.440 when your kids go to school you don't know i mean it's true i mean you can you know have your own

01:43:01.720 garden in the backyard but you want to eat if you're out on the road i mean like you and i are

01:43:04.700 out there and doing stuff,

01:43:06.480 you can't always control

01:43:07.280 where your food's coming from

01:43:08.060 unless you're a billionaire

01:43:08.600 with your own private chef

01:43:09.400 and in your kitchen

01:43:09.960 that flies around with you

01:43:10.680 on your jet.

01:43:12.020 Then I met with a super billionaire 0.69

01:43:14.020 who had his own cows.

01:43:15.860 He got his own meat

01:43:16.800 from his own cows

01:43:17.640 that were like,

01:43:18.040 I mean,

01:43:18.200 there are so many levels

01:43:19.600 of this,

01:43:20.320 but keep going.

01:43:21.120 You don't know

01:43:21.420 because in the restaurant,

01:43:22.300 those vegetables

01:43:23.100 are probably treated

01:43:24.060 with Roundup.

01:43:24.820 You're not getting

01:43:25.440 organic vegetables

01:43:26.480 in the restaurant.

01:43:27.000 You're probably not getting

01:43:27.680 grass-fed beef.

01:43:28.900 You're not getting

01:43:29.300 pastured chicken.

01:43:31.180 So it's like,

01:43:32.660 you need to eat at home.

01:43:33.900 That's expensive.

01:43:34.700 yeah it's harder people are busy yeah it's it to the point of it's it's also overwhelming yeah it's

01:43:40.960 all but you know megan there's not an act it's not an accident that americans have been

01:43:45.080 disenfranchised from their own kitchens this is a deliberate plan by the food industry to make

01:43:49.580 convenience king happened in the early 60s they were worried about the advent of this woman named

01:43:54.660 betty who was a home ec teacher was teaching about families how to cook and grow gardens 0.99

01:43:59.560 Ms. Crocker? 1.00

01:44:00.540 No, I'll get to that.

01:44:01.980 I'll get to that.

01:44:02.980 But there was federal extension workers

01:44:04.520 that were teaching young families

01:44:05.560 how to take care of themselves

01:44:06.320 and actually do the things that are not that hard

01:44:08.560 if you know what to do.

01:44:09.800 And so the food industry freaked out about this

01:44:12.060 and they invented Betty Crocker,

01:44:13.880 who was not a real person.

01:44:15.660 I thought she was a real person.

01:44:16.920 I didn't know that.

01:44:17.360 Yeah, she was not a real person.

01:44:18.520 Next year you tell me Aunt Shemima's not real. 0.95

01:44:20.020 She's not real.

01:44:22.560 But Betty Crocker cookbook, if you remember it,

01:44:25.100 because you probably had it in your mom's kitchen.

01:44:26.540 Yeah, I remember.

01:44:27.080 I don't remember.

01:44:27.900 Add one can of Campbell's cream of mushroom soup to your casserole.

01:44:30.960 Add one roll of Ritz crackers.

01:44:32.340 They insinuated processed foods.

01:44:33.620 It was delicious, though.

01:44:34.920 Okay, all right. 0.99

01:44:35.660 But it was like they insinuated all this crap into our diet. 0.99

01:44:38.620 And then they got TV dinners. 0.97

01:44:41.280 And then we got, you deserve a break today.

01:44:44.720 We got Fleischman's margarine and Tang and all these foods that were.

01:44:48.440 Twinkies.

01:44:48.780 Right, Twinkies.

01:44:49.660 I grew up on that stuff.

01:44:51.100 And it turns out that this was not an accident.

01:44:54.120 This was a deliberate attempt to sort of, you deserve a break today.

01:44:57.700 It was sort of the classic thing. 1.00

01:44:59.680 And women's lib also kind of facilitated that because I'd get women out of the kitchen and women's liberation. 1.00

01:45:04.240 And then no one was in the kitchen at all. 1.00

01:45:05.580 Right.

01:45:06.040 That's right.

01:45:06.460 And so we now have generations of Americans who don't know how to cook, who don't know basic life skills.

01:45:11.380 I did a movie years ago called Fed Up, which was, I think it's on Netflix.

01:45:17.000 It was about childhood obesity, and it was talking about these issues.

01:45:19.840 And as part of the movie, I went down to South Carolina into one of the worst food deserts in America.

01:45:24.120 In Easley, South Carolina, I worked with a family of five who lived in a trailer on food stamps and disability.

01:45:29.080 So I had very limited resources and very limited access to good food. 0.99

01:45:33.040 And the mother was massively white. 0.91

01:45:34.660 The father was already at 42 on dialysis for kidney failure from type 2 diabetes.

01:45:40.380 The son was like 50% body fat.

01:45:42.360 A kid should be 10%.

01:45:43.360 He was a big guy.

01:45:44.900 He's like, Dr. Ryman, am I going to be 100% body fat?

01:45:47.140 I'm like, no, you're not.

01:45:48.280 He was so sad.

01:45:49.280 And I said, I'm not going to give them a lecture.

01:45:51.220 i'm going to go to their kitchen and i'm going to show them what's in their their pantry i'm going

01:45:55.640 to show them what's in their freezer and in their fridge and i'm going to help them understand the

01:45:58.980 things that are harming them because they're thinking they're trying to do the right thing

01:46:01.500 because they want the father to lose weight or they can't get a new kidney so rather than give

01:46:05.020 them a lecture i taught them how to cook a simple meal called and it was from a little guidebook

01:46:08.900 called good food on a tight budget food that's good for you good for your wallet good for the

01:46:12.660 planet and it was like cheaper cuts of meat cheaper vegetables i mean you know stuff that

01:46:16.860 you know would be considered sometimes peasant food that my family grew up on and i i did it

01:46:23.460 with them and i didn't know it was going to happen and the mother texted me a week later she says we

01:46:27.280 lost 18 pounds as a family in a year they lost 200 pounds you know they didn't even have cutting

01:46:30.900 boards and knives everything was you know microwaved or whatever and and they did it and

01:46:35.140 they learned how to cook and they i gave them a cookbook and was just it was like i was like wow

01:46:39.220 we're one meal away from transforming society i realized i had a bias i had a judgment i thought

01:46:43.580 people who are overweight and i bought the implicit bias in medicine which is eat less and 0.92

01:46:47.640 exercise more meaning it's your fault you're fat you're a lazy glutton and it's your fault so get 1.00

01:46:51.440 your shit together yeah but that's not true because people are hijacked their biochemistry 1.00

01:46:55.140 is hijacked their brains can't hijack their metabolism hijack their hormones are hijacked 1.00

01:46:58.720 their immune system hijacked their microbiome is hijacked and that drives you into this disease

01:47:02.740 state that we have in america today and so in this kid was a 16 year old he lost 50 pounds had to go

01:47:09.220 get a job and there was no place to get a job except fast food places on there he gained 50

01:47:12.740 pounds back no he's just like putting an alcoholic to work in a bar yeah you know totally and then

01:47:16.800 he he he texted me later he's like hey would you help me and i helped him he lost 132 pounds

01:47:21.640 first kid in his family to go to college finished college email me say hey dr hyman would you write

01:47:26.860 me a letter of recommendation for medical school and now he's a doctor oh my god so chills and i

01:47:31.300 yeah that's to me that story is is is uh emblematic of the fact that we're literally one meal away

01:47:37.760 from transforming the health of America.

01:47:39.480 If we can go in,

01:47:41.200 and Paul Farmer did this with TB and AIDS in Haiti.

01:47:43.620 It was an intractable problem.

01:47:45.560 They didn't have clean water,

01:47:46.760 they didn't have sanitation,

01:47:47.440 they didn't have watches,

01:47:48.060 and these drugs are complicated to take back then

01:47:49.940 for multi-drug resistant TB and AIDS.

01:47:52.660 And he was like, we can fix this.

01:47:54.320 And he used community health workers,

01:47:55.840 neighbors, helping neighbors.

01:47:57.680 And so imagine if we created a workforce 0.92

01:48:00.440 of community health workers to go out there

01:48:02.760 and go into people's homes

01:48:03.960 and show them how to do this.

01:48:04.720 And we did this at Cleveland Clinic.

01:48:06.040 We did this with groups there.

01:48:07.540 I have the idea we should take all the DEI instructors who are about to lose their jobs and train them in nutrition and send them into all communities and educate people on how to eat well.

01:48:17.100 It's true.

01:48:17.300 I mean, I was shocked.

01:48:18.200 I was at Cleveland Clinic, and there was a hospital there that takes care of a big African-American community that's very underserved.

01:48:25.140 And we had a cooking class, and I thought a few people would show up. 0.66

01:48:27.780 300 women showed up. 1.00

01:48:29.180 Oh, God bless them. 1.00

01:48:29.720 And we had this big cooking class.

01:48:31.420 That's what I need, too.

01:48:32.400 I need it just to make food, period, never mind healthy food.

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01:51:17.440 Well, it's a beautiful dashboard

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01:52:02.160 i have a question like who do i call well we're still building the platform because we literally

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01:52:20.600 you're not dispensing medical advice there but you are giving people tools to go well we're

01:52:25.040 our own deep insights about what things mean and there are there are medical insights but we're

01:52:30.120 not telling you what to do or not to do but but well this leads me to my other important question

01:52:34.180 which is how do people find a functional medicine doctor good question we need more of them but i

01:52:40.100 think part of the reason i co-founded function was that there aren't enough there's you know

01:52:43.520 thousands there should be hundreds of thousands of practitioners so that millions and millions

01:52:47.660 of people can access this but before i die i didn't want to die not having functional medicine

01:52:52.500 being accessible to everybody

01:52:53.660 or having their own health data

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01:52:56.440 And so it's a way of leapfrogging over a period

01:52:59.360 where we don't have the infrastructure yet.

01:53:01.200 And we will, I promise you, we will.

01:53:03.320 Megan, have the future of medicine

01:53:04.880 come to pass as the way it should be,

01:53:06.720 just as we now don't any longer do blood leeches

01:53:10.480 or all we do for some wound healing

01:53:12.580 or we don't have like drill holes in people's skulls 1.00

01:53:15.440 to let out the bad, evil humors.

01:53:17.220 I mean, we advance in medicine.

01:53:18.820 And I think this new generation

01:53:20.720 of the network systems medicine,

01:53:22.020 And it's going to, the scientific paradigm, it's going to come to pass.

01:53:24.960 This makes it exciting to go to med school in today's day.

01:53:28.000 For sure.

01:53:28.660 This is a way of truly healing people and helping people get better as opposed to just you're going in, you're going to be governed by the insurance companies.

01:53:37.040 You've been upper limited on how much you can make and how much you can help.

01:53:40.160 Yeah.

01:53:40.540 And doctors need to learn about, like, I mean, food is the biggest cause of disease and the biggest cure.

01:53:45.100 And doctors learn nothing about it.

01:53:47.540 Nothing.

01:53:48.180 Nothing.

01:53:48.380 In Texas, I was testifying in front of the Health and Human Services Committee about a bill that was to actually start to educate doctors about nutrition and to mandate it in medical schools and in graduate medical education residencies.

01:54:00.800 I'm so excited about that because that'll be a domino effect.

01:54:03.860 Once state starts to do it, it'll sort of be a trend.

01:54:06.760 And then we can actually start to train the new generation of doctors that is in the right paradigm.

01:54:11.040 And nurses, too. 0.83

01:54:12.080 I mean, nurses can do this.

01:54:13.500 Because there's so many people who can do this short of getting an MD, which would be more accessible and more affordable for a lot of people, too.

01:54:21.520 So you've mentioned it several times, the keto diet.

01:54:24.720 I've had it mentioned to me many times.

01:54:26.220 I don't understand this still.

01:54:27.480 What is it?

01:54:27.640 No, I think I've looked it up, and it says it's more like fat.

01:54:30.700 Well, it's pretty easy to understand.

01:54:31.800 So your body is like a hybrid car.

01:54:34.560 You can run on electric or on gas.

01:54:37.060 Gas is dirty burning.

01:54:38.280 Electric is clean burning.

01:54:40.060 Gas is carbohydrates.

01:54:41.900 So your body runs very well on carbohydrates,

01:54:43.960 but there's a lot of downstream consequences

01:54:46.340 of having a high-starch carbohydrate diet.

01:54:49.340 For certain conditions,

01:54:50.580 and this was first discovered in medicine with epilepsy,

01:54:52.940 we found that if you took away all the sugar and starch

01:54:55.600 and you increased fat to like 75%,

01:54:57.700 you could actually stop seizures

01:54:59.700 that no medications would touch.

01:55:01.500 If you look back at the history of medicine and diabetes,

01:55:04.200 treatment of type 1 diabetes,

01:55:05.620 where your pancreas just shuts down,

01:55:07.760 all these kids would die. 1.00

01:55:09.240 And the way they would treat them 0.93

01:55:10.140 would be putting him on a 75% fat diet.

01:55:13.740 Jocelyn, Dr.

01:55:14.580 Saturated or unsaturated?

01:55:16.200 Everything, you know, lard, butter, everything.

01:55:18.760 Wow.

01:55:19.520 And I mean, by the way, Megan,

01:55:20.920 25% of breast milk is saturated fat.

01:55:23.480 Yeah, it's gotten a bad rap.

01:55:25.760 It's gotten a bad rap.

01:55:26.620 I mean, we can go into that too if you want.

01:55:27.860 But what was fascinating back in the teens and 20s

01:55:31.680 was medicine was actually prescribing ketogenic diets

01:55:35.140 for type 1 diabetics to save their lives.

01:55:36.980 and now we see that we can actually

01:55:40.020 reverse what is

01:55:41.860 predominantly a carbohydrate intolerant

01:55:43.860 society where we have

01:55:45.740 75% overweight, 93%

01:55:47.980 metabolically broken meaning they have

01:55:49.560 some problem with regulating blood sugar and insulin

01:55:51.760 93% of us, I mean 6%

01:55:53.940 of us aren't, probably you and me are part of that 6%

01:55:56.240 but it's not a lot of people

01:55:57.600 and when you

01:55:59.760 restrict carbohydrates and you increase

01:56:01.980 fat you actually switch

01:56:03.740 basically from

01:56:04.900 a gas burning car to a electric burning car and it's clean burning but now we're finding it's

01:56:11.700 effective for reversing type 2 diabetes for treatment of alzheimer's for cancer uh siddhartha

01:56:17.760 mukhaji may have heard of him he's a famous oncologist from columbia written a book called

01:56:21.900 the emperor of all maladies when the pulitzer prize he's now doing research on ketogenic diets

01:56:26.720 for end-stage cancer like melanoma and pancreatic cancer and seeing complete reversals what because

01:56:31.220 Yeah, because basically cancer runs on sugar, but it's not like a hybrid engine.

01:56:35.360 It can only run on carbs. 0.91

01:56:36.520 It can't run on fat.

01:56:37.840 So you starve it of this carbs and cancer cells die.

01:56:41.620 It's pretty remarkable.

01:56:42.600 So across the spectrum, whether it's autism or Alzheimer's or cancer or type 2 diabetes

01:56:46.740 or schizophrenia or depression or bipolar disease. 0.97

01:56:51.480 How does this jive with the old eat food, mostly plants, not too much? 1.00

01:56:59.040 Yeah.

01:56:59.100 I think you can do it on a plant-rich diet, and you can do it in a way that doesn't include a lot of junk.

01:57:07.920 Just put a lot of olive oil over your salads.

01:57:09.480 Olive oil, avocados, yeah, nuts and seeds.

01:57:12.660 And even, you know, people do well.

01:57:13.940 I mean, I think, you know, you have to understand that there are certain people who do better or do worse depending on their genetics.

01:57:18.840 And so I had a patient who was overweight, who was struggling with lots of inflammation, who was pre-diabetic, whose cholesterol was like 300, which should be 200.

01:57:26.100 Her triglycerides were 300, should be 100 or less.

01:57:29.100 Her good cholesterol, we don't really like to call it good or bad,

01:57:31.820 but the HDL was low, which is a sign of this metabolic dysfunction,

01:57:36.040 and she was desperate to try to do something.

01:57:37.920 This is in the pre-Ozempic era. 0.75

01:57:39.760 I said, listen, why don't you try ketogenic diet, see what happens,

01:57:42.460 and let's follow your numbers and see how you do.

01:57:44.740 Everything corrected. 0.99

01:57:45.580 Her cholesterol dropped 100 points.

01:57:47.120 Her triglycerides dropped 200 points.

01:57:48.980 HDL went up 30 points.

01:57:50.180 She lost 25 pounds, and she felt great.

01:57:53.680 And her prediabetes went away.

01:57:55.460 So depending on the person, it can be a very effective tool,

01:57:58.040 But it's not like a one-size-fits-all.

01:57:59.820 Why?

01:58:00.740 Is that much fat bad for somebody who has heart disease in the family or something?

01:58:04.280 There may be, but there's actually a paper coming out soon

01:58:06.960 which looks at what we call lean mass hyper-responders.

01:58:09.980 There are certain people who, when you have perfect metabolic health,

01:58:14.280 in other words, you have no prediabetes or insulin resistance and no inflammation,

01:58:18.140 and you're a fit athlete and you have basically a lot of lean mass

01:58:21.880 and not a lot of fat on your body,

01:58:23.820 when they consume high-saturated fat or ketogenic diets,

01:58:27.120 they'll have a really dramatic increase in their ldl cholesterol now this is something that

01:58:31.860 doctors have been trained is bad and that you immediately have a knee-jerk reaction to

01:58:35.980 prescribe a statin drug which is the number one class of drugs sold in the world now some of

01:58:41.580 these people have ldls not under 70 which cardiologists would like or even under 100

01:58:45.840 which is their lab reference range but they have ldls of two three hundred four hundred five hundred

01:58:50.120 seven hundred and they have no heart disease through imaging tests right because like the

01:58:55.360 Calcium score.

01:58:56.040 Calcium score.

01:58:56.660 And so this is like a revolutionary new bit of data

01:58:59.120 that's now emerging from the scientific literature.

01:59:01.000 Like, what is going on here?

01:59:02.580 How does this work?

01:59:03.680 Well, when you don't eat sugar,

01:59:05.300 you have to transport energy around the body.

01:59:07.080 And how do you do it?

01:59:08.020 Through fat, right?

01:59:09.300 And what is the biggest fat carrier?

01:59:10.720 It's your lipoproteins,

01:59:12.760 which is fat and water don't mix, right?

01:59:15.980 So you can't just put fat in your blood.

01:59:17.340 You have to connect it to proteins.

01:59:18.860 So what is LDL?

01:59:19.560 It means low-density lipoprotein.

01:59:21.140 It's a lipo means fat, protein.

01:59:23.160 So you put fat and protein together.

01:59:24.500 it can be transported through your body for energy and other sources so it's really it's

01:59:28.700 fascinating the science is constantly evolving and i think for certain people ketogenic diets

01:59:32.920 can be life-changing like life-changing i've treated schizophrenia with it alzheimer's with

01:59:37.940 it autism with it depression with it obviously type 2 diabetes with it and you can reverse up

01:59:42.640 to 60 to 70 percent of type 2 diabetes that's very advanced where people are on insulin

01:59:46.680 when i was in medical school chronic diseases were chronic they never went away to reverse

01:59:52.940 heart failure to reverse diabetes to reverse kidney issues to reverse hypertension these

01:59:57.740 things don't happen in traditional medicine what about the thought of mixing the keto diet with

02:00:03.600 mediterranean because that's the other one that everybody loves mediterranean well you can eat

02:00:07.880 a mediterranean diet but that's not necessarily a ketogenic diet ketogenic is a very specific

02:00:11.580 thing that happens in your body do you go on keto like forever i just some people do some people do

02:00:17.380 um and they thrive on it other people don't do well on it so i think it's very like try it for

02:00:22.580 a month and get your inflammation you need about you know usually six weeks to adapt to become fat

02:00:26.900 adapted to your metabolism shifts over and then you can see where you're at and then check your

02:00:30.660 numbers but you know there's a company called virta health that's reversing type 2 diabetes

02:00:34.560 with an online program of ketogenic diets and not only have they seen 60 reversal not only

02:00:40.080 they've seen 12 weight loss which is massive it's as good as any of these drugs that are out there

02:00:44.860 now that men actually they've done a parallel study like comparing just you know their program

02:00:50.140 to Ozempic and those drugs,

02:00:52.220 and they're equally effective in the outcome.

02:00:54.800 So it's not something magic about Ozempic.

02:00:57.000 It's the weight loss, you know,

02:00:58.560 and it's the change in metabolic health.

02:01:01.400 And so you can do it through various ways,

02:01:03.960 whether it's a drug or whether it's a ketogenic diet.

02:01:06.500 And they found their lipid biomarkers,

02:01:07.960 over 20 different cholesterol and heart disease risk factors,

02:01:11.260 all got better by eating a super high fat diet, right?

02:01:15.360 And again, so you're saying, but also saturated fat.

02:01:17.660 So like, well, that would be like red meat,

02:01:19.080 like the fat that you get.

02:01:20.600 I'm trying to think,

02:01:21.480 what's good for you saturated fat?

02:01:23.620 I know bad for you saturated fat

02:01:24.940 is in the ultra processed foods.

02:01:27.200 Well, trans fat is basically the worst.

02:01:29.920 That's the worst you can do.

02:01:30.520 And that's basically vegetable oil, shortening.

02:01:33.420 And they call it shortening

02:01:34.080 because it shortens your life.

02:01:35.340 You know how many things call for that, by the way?

02:01:37.240 Having like a daughter who's in eighth grade, 0.63

02:01:39.280 every time she has to make brownies

02:01:40.700 or cookies for the school,

02:01:41.920 all of it wants actual vegetable oil.

02:01:44.580 And like, she's like, 0.75

02:01:45.480 I don't know if you can use olive oil.

02:01:46.860 I'm like, you're using it.

02:01:47.960 It's olive oil cake.

02:01:49.080 I mean, yeah, it's fine, actually.

02:01:51.300 It tastes a little different, I confess, but it's healthier, I think.

02:01:54.920 Yeah, you can.

02:01:55.600 And so there's a tremendous amount of emerging data that saturated fats aren't the boogeyman we thought they were.

02:02:02.740 It was a long history of a scientist named Ansel Keys in the 60s who basically did this study called the Seven Country Study,

02:02:09.840 which showed that people who had higher levels of saturated fat had higher LDL and higher heart disease risk.

02:02:14.540 but they left out the other 14 or 15 countries

02:02:18.340 where their data didn't match that,

02:02:20.240 like Switzerland or France or, right?

02:02:22.900 So they were like, I was cherry picking a little bit.

02:02:24.980 And then we got into this era of low fat

02:02:27.660 and that led to the food pyramid,

02:02:29.520 which told us to eat six to 11 servings

02:02:31.600 of bread, rice, cereal, and pasta day,

02:02:33.120 which we did like a dutiful population.

02:02:35.620 I mean, that was a nice time, let's be honest.

02:02:38.020 We did that as dutiful citizens.

02:02:40.220 And what happened to America?

02:02:41.440 We exploded.

02:02:42.700 Hand me that sourdough.

02:02:44.140 I need more.

02:02:44.740 That's right.

02:02:45.140 Well, sourdough's not so bad.

02:02:46.220 But the diabetes rates explode.

02:02:48.160 I mean, we've tripled the obesity rates.

02:02:50.060 We've tripled the diabetes rates.

02:02:51.400 You can see it.

02:02:52.440 I mean, this is not a genetic problem.

02:02:54.340 Do you see those memes online where they show Americans in the 1900s?

02:02:57.680 And they're all, first of all, they're well-dressed.

02:02:59.460 And second of all, they're all slim.

02:03:00.740 All of them are slim.

02:03:01.880 It's very rare to see an obese person, even in the United States 100 years ago.

02:03:06.320 Not even 100 years ago.

02:03:07.360 I mean, African-Americans in the 60s were healthier than white Americans. 0.98

02:03:12.100 they were thinner and they had less disease now it's the opposite you know when we saw covid 0.82

02:03:17.060 attack certain communities like yeah like new orleans or chicago and there were 70 percent of

02:03:21.980 the deaths were from 30 percent of the population which was african-american and and when you've

02:03:27.040 watched like uh there's a movie called amazing grace with the aretha franklin it was filmed in

02:03:31.360 1970 in oakland there wasn't an overweight black person in the audience and she wasn't overweight

02:03:37.160 wow and and you go like oh wow that's crazy and now 80 percent of african women are overweight

02:03:42.640 and obesity rates and heart disease rates and hypertension rates and kidney failure rates

02:03:47.220 far exceed and you can tie this to ultra processed foods and to the demonization of fat and and

02:03:54.180 elevation of sugar yeah yeah and that was the problem and now we've kind of kind of reversed

02:03:59.180 that trend and i think you know it's it's a it's a big uh sort of tanker ship to move but we we have

02:04:04.920 to do it because we're not only threatening our personal health, we're threatening our national

02:04:10.280 security. 70% or 77% of recruits for the military are rejected because they're unfit to fight because

02:04:16.240 they're overweight or other reasons because of their diet. You've got global competitors being

02:04:20.640 challenged. We're like 30 something in math and reading in the world because kids can't learn in

02:04:25.140 school because they're all doped up on these drugs and eating sugar and these chemicals in the food

02:04:29.840 that are causing ADD, behavior issues, and all sorts of things. And depression. I've heard you

02:04:34.200 talk about this too this is like everybody you go to a therapist today whether it's you or a child

02:04:39.180 the first thing i want to do is prescribe you something they want to get your college age kid

02:04:42.860 hooked on a drug like that yeah they're like they've helped a lot of people there's no explanation of

02:04:47.520 no one would ever ask what are you eating no no one no one it's true it's true i mean it's it's

02:04:53.760 it's the most amazing thing to me because it's so obvious but as doctors we learn that you know

02:04:58.480 disease really doesn't have anything to do with nutrition if you go to your rheumatologist

02:05:01.780 of an autoimmune disease, it's nothing to do with nutrition.

02:05:03.840 If you go to a GI doctor, I mean, I'm like, what do you mean?

02:05:06.840 A GI doctor.

02:05:07.240 I mean, think about it. 1.00

02:05:07.900 You're putting pounds of this foreign stuff in your mouth every day.

02:05:10.420 How does it not impact what's going on in your gut?

02:05:12.680 Right.

02:05:13.040 Right?

02:05:13.500 It's like, it's kind of crazy.

02:05:15.040 So, I mean, if you're feeling depressed or you're feeling anxiety,

02:05:17.580 rule number one should probably be take a look at what you're eating.

02:05:20.840 What are you eating?

02:05:21.540 Yeah.

02:05:21.780 I mean, I have an incredible approach to one of my patients

02:05:25.220 where I put them on a reset program.

02:05:26.820 It's like hitting your body's factory reset button.

02:05:29.900 So go back to your original factory settings.

02:05:32.060 And I call it the 10-Day Detox Diet.

02:05:34.120 I've written a book about it.

02:05:35.420 There's a website where you can kind of go

02:05:36.760 into 10daydetoxdiet.com

02:05:38.000 and actually learn about it and do it if you want to.

02:05:40.940 And what's amazing is that in 10 days,

02:05:43.700 there's a 70% reduction in all symptoms from all diseases,

02:05:46.820 which sounds crazy for me to say it,

02:05:49.340 but I've done this so many times with so many people

02:05:51.220 and track their symptoms and how they feel.

02:05:53.340 And it allows them to see the connection

02:05:55.240 between what they're eating and how they feel.

02:05:57.140 Oh, I didn't know that this constant congestion I had

02:05:59.680 was from what I was eating.

02:06:00.440 I didn't know that this rash that I've got in my body

02:06:03.000 all the time I can't get rid of is from what I mean.

02:06:04.780 I didn't know that my stomach issues are related

02:06:06.520 or my sleep issues or my depression

02:06:08.000 or my migraines or whatever it is,

02:06:10.760 food is generally the first place to look.

02:06:12.780 And if you can clean the deck

02:06:13.860 and take out the bad stuff and put in the good stuff,

02:06:16.740 you know, take out all the processed foods,

02:06:17.920 all the sugar and starch,

02:06:18.920 put in, you know, lots of vegetables,

02:06:21.180 good healthy, you know, protein,

02:06:23.280 lots of nuts and seeds

02:06:24.200 and get out all the ultra processed foods.

02:06:26.840 The body is so smart.

02:06:27.940 It's like quickly changes.

02:06:28.980 And I'm sort of shocked when I see it, and it's repeatable every single time.

02:06:33.340 Can we talk about red meat?

02:06:34.400 There's a lot of people who are on this carnivore diet.

02:06:36.700 There's hardcore red meat all the time.

02:06:38.920 Yeah, the vegans and the carnivores on one side.

02:06:40.880 No, we've got a good friend who's Argentinian, and he's like, 0.61

02:06:43.700 every single member of my family had LDLs through the roof.

02:06:46.960 And no heart disease.

02:06:47.760 And they lived into their low hundreds.

02:06:49.420 Yeah.

02:06:49.920 And all they did was eat steak.

02:06:51.200 Yeah, well, they had grass-fed steak in Argentina, and so there's no industrial.

02:06:55.460 But when I was growing up in the 80s, I remember,

02:06:58.740 because I was a young aerobics instructor.

02:07:00.640 And my fellow aerobics instructors were shaming themselves

02:07:03.740 for having meat more than once a week.

02:07:05.440 And I was like, oh, I didn't even know that was bad.

02:07:08.100 Well, that was a result of this demonization of saturated fat.

02:07:11.460 The meat has some saturated fat.

02:07:12.720 So if you eat that, you're basically going to kill yourself.

02:07:15.980 So there's a whole era where people were eating very low amounts of meat

02:07:19.940 and their meat consumption has gone way down.

02:07:22.640 And it didn't mean that all the disease rates went down.

02:07:25.980 So something didn't kind of line up.

02:07:27.520 And what happened with meat is that we kind of got confused

02:07:31.420 because a lot of the population studies that were done at that time,

02:07:34.680 and population studies do not show cause and effect.

02:07:37.340 They just look at trend lines.

02:07:39.000 And then it may be a cause or it may be a correlation.

02:07:42.800 And what they found was that people who were meat eaters in those eras

02:07:45.740 actually had more disease.

02:07:47.320 But when you look at the specifics of their behaviors,

02:07:50.400 the meat eaters in those studies, they ate 800 calories more a day.

02:07:53.480 They drank more.

02:07:54.200 They didn't eat their fruits and vegetables.

02:07:55.640 They didn't eat more sugar.

02:07:56.660 They didn't exercise.

02:07:57.520 They smoked.

02:07:58.040 Yeah, there you go. 0.51

02:07:59.000 That's why they were sicker.

02:08:00.300 It wasn't because of the meat.

02:08:01.680 And when you look at studies, for example, when they've done this with 11,000 people

02:08:04.980 who shopped at health food stores who were either omnivores and ate meat or vegans or

02:08:09.720 vegetarians, they both had their risk of death reduced in half. 0.99

02:08:12.540 It's because they weren't eating all the crap, right? 0.95

02:08:14.840 So it's not the meat. 0.99

02:08:15.940 It's what you eat with it.

02:08:16.940 Is it the burger or is it the bun?

02:08:20.300 And the sugar, you know, I just noticed this the other day, but for example, my kids love

02:08:24.420 ice cream.

02:08:25.460 Who doesn't?

02:08:25.900 I was just looking at those.

02:08:27.260 you can get those uh like dark chocolate bars at whole foods i like the one that's like mint

02:08:32.260 blackout in any event it's it if it's over 90 you know cacao yeah which is gonna mean it has

02:08:40.880 less sugar you can have four squares of that chocolate yeah which is a decent size it's for

02:08:47.380 the you know if you're watching this on youtube it's like about this big yeah maybe a little

02:08:51.260 smaller but about around there and it's only five grams of sugar yeah like if you really have a jones

02:08:56.340 for something sweet after dinner.

02:08:58.680 You could have that for five grams

02:09:00.680 or you could have a big bowl of ice cream

02:09:02.520 which might have 30, even more grams of sugar in there.

02:09:05.820 People don't even know what a gram,

02:09:06.700 I mean, this is an example of how the food industry

02:09:09.480 has taken over our government in labeling.

02:09:13.660 And we're trying to change front of package labeling

02:09:15.260 and food labels,

02:09:16.000 but no one knows what a gram of sugar is.

02:09:18.760 If I say four grams is a teaspoon,

02:09:20.740 if I say this soda has 15 teaspoons of sugar,

02:09:24.320 you're gonna like blink and look twice.

02:09:25.700 if you say it has 39 grams of sugar or 40 grams you're not going to know what that means no and

02:09:32.000 that's on purpose about four grams yeah okay that's on purpose right you know i mean you have

02:09:37.520 to have a phd nutrition to decipher one of those labels right they make it so hard make it really

02:09:41.600 hard so so i think you know in other countries they have better front of package labeling which

02:09:45.420 is either red this is going to kill you yellow eat with caution green you can do as much as you

02:09:49.860 want of it or you know they put warning labels in south america they have big like octagon stop signs

02:09:55.180 with this is called crossbones yeah basically i mean i don't even in south america if you go to

02:10:00.720 on a plane in south america you get your snacks it's like you can't eat any of them because they

02:10:04.180 all have like three different giant stop signs on them with basically warning labels that's a good

02:10:08.660 idea yeah i mean on a can of soda which is a diet soda they put in warning labels that says this is

02:10:13.020 going to harm your kid this can cause neurologic issues and don't drink it don't feed it to them

02:10:16.520 oh my god i mean great more like it yeah um our executive producer has a third grader he has two

02:10:23.940 kids but one of them is in third grade and he has a question i bet a lot of our listeners have

02:10:27.220 yeah which is what can you pack in a lunch that is healthy for a third grade child and frankly

02:10:34.820 for most children because you try to send try to send your kid to school with a bag lunch or

02:10:40.300 send your kid on a field trip with the other kid for the junk food you know and and yeah i i too

02:10:46.520 don't know where to begin it's so hard they're not going to eat a salad first of all no you don't

02:10:50.200 need a salad but they're you know it's real it should be real food and there's lots of yummy

02:10:54.900 things that kids can eat that they like that aren't bad for them and what we need to do is

02:10:59.480 stop putting lunchables and go-gurts and all these sort of industrially designed foods that

02:11:04.080 aren't technically my doctor says yogurt is a lie right he doesn't mean non-fat greek yogurt

02:11:09.660 he's talking about or full fat greek yogurt no no he's not talking about that he's not talking

02:11:13.820 about you know yogurt that's not sugary yeah i mean people don't realize that you can get your

02:11:18.300 like you know sweetened yogurt that's low fat that has more sugar per ounce than a soda yeah

02:11:24.940 but you can you know what i i have this almost every day for breakfast i have i'll either get

02:11:29.140 non-fat or two percent uh the phage fahe yogurt uh greek yogurt full fat megan can i get the full

02:11:35.240 fat i don't know i i don't want to you know i'm a little worried you can um and i'll put like

02:11:40.260 blueberries in there and i'll put some chia seeds in there and i'll put some hemp seeds in there

02:11:44.440 i'm just i don't even know why i'm just told those are good for you they're protein i guess

02:11:47.640 protein and good fats and sometimes i'll sprinkle just a little low sugar granola in there which

02:11:52.340 you can get with no seed oils on it you gotta like granola now you gotta look for that but not

02:11:56.740 too much because you don't want to like completely overload it with you know sugary products or

02:11:59.920 whatever but it's so good yeah it it ties me over for hours and i love it and i know it's good for

02:12:05.300 me and if you know if you make your home a safe zone you teach your kids about food you cook with

02:12:09.280 them you show them what food's about that's what they learn okay but let's give them an actual

02:12:13.880 possibility that could go in there what could be in their school lunch yeah what could go in

02:12:17.540 I mean, you could put, like, I don't know.

02:12:21.000 I mean, like, you can make a sandwich out of healthy stuff, right?

02:12:23.280 You could have, I'm just blanking now because I haven't packed my kids' lunch.

02:12:27.480 You can't do chicken nuggets, can you?

02:12:29.400 Or can you do, like, the organic ones that you get at a...

02:12:31.480 Yeah, you could do that.

02:12:32.280 I mean, you could do that that are not, you know, deep fried in the middle.

02:12:35.040 But you can't get sliced deli meat, right?

02:12:37.260 No, sliced deli meat's not good.

02:12:38.320 That's the devil.

02:12:39.040 You know, the bologna sandwiches with mayo and...

02:12:40.860 Bread?

02:12:41.360 I mean, you shouldn't be putting a sandwich in there?

02:12:43.240 I mean, you could if it's whole grain bread and, you know, you know the source of it.

02:12:46.580 i think the kids need to eat real food and what's the problem is that they're not eating real food

02:12:50.380 and there are there are great guides on how to do this um i'm i'm like blanking on school lunches

02:12:55.680 because basically well an apple fruit cheese cheese can be fine okay with cheese yeah she's

02:13:01.440 gonna be fine i prefer sheep or goat cheese what else steve what else do we need to know

02:13:05.800 hold on see if there's a follow-up what what kind of meat yeah what kind of meat in the sandwich

02:13:12.040 like real turkey sliced turkey roast real real like not deli no not deli turkey because that's

02:13:18.640 like kind of ground up and mixed with all kinds of stuff like a chicken breast that you cooked

02:13:22.720 yourself the night before in avocado oil something like that that's pasture raised yeah okay it's

02:13:28.300 just so much harder than it should be you know it's like well the defaults are the wrong choices

02:13:32.460 how do we make the defaults the easy choices and the right choices yeah i don't know i like even

02:13:37.780 in the summers, I'm sure there are a lot of parents out there who can relate to this.

02:13:41.560 The summers, the family eating goes to hell. The kids daily eating, because they're all over the

02:13:48.020 place. You know, our kids go to this day camp and then they swing by the ice cream place that has a

02:13:52.040 great menu, like a diner kind of place. And they're all eating just terrible food all day long.

02:13:57.700 I don't even know what the alternative is. You know, like without hiring a chef to live in your

02:14:02.280 house and come up with healthy options for all three meals, you know, they're eating bagel with

02:14:07.080 cream cheese in the morning and then they're eating like a cheese steak for for lunch and

02:14:11.260 then you know i'll get them for dinner but it's so hard it is it is and that's that's the whole

02:14:16.260 point of what needs to change in our policies to to change the things from the top down so that

02:14:20.840 we produce food that's healthier that we have clear labeling on foods that people know what

02:14:25.580 they're getting that we have access in a way that we don't have now to healthier options and so

02:14:31.180 those those things will take time and i think that's what the trump administration is trying

02:14:35.360 to do i hope they succeed i think there's a sort of a tension between the usda and hhs because the

02:14:40.460 usda basically is to support farmers and not necessarily support the health of americans

02:14:45.700 and they essentially are creating all the diseases inadvertently that that health and human services

02:14:50.640 and medicare and medicaid are having to take care of swift beware of the usda like the right hand

02:14:54.560 is actually making the left hand jobs a lot harder so what what do you how do you like rfkj's chances

02:14:59.620 of succeeding in this job given all these forces he's got a lot of forces right against him i mean

02:15:03.980 there's a multi-trillion dollar industry that is basically wanting him to fail and that's

02:15:08.300 threatened the food industry you know farming industry you know the pharmaceutical industry

02:15:13.120 it's it's not a small thing and i think you know if president trump gets behind him and supports

02:15:18.520 him i think if he's able to get clear on what his objectives are if he's able to sort of get on the

02:15:22.520 low-hanging fruit and have the win the easy wins i think they'll win so for example getting all the

02:15:26.960 additives and chemicals out of food is starting to happen now there's 30 plus bills around the

02:15:30.940 country in different states some of them 10 of them i think are democrat led some most the rest

02:15:36.140 are republican led and they're they're for example to get rid of the chemicals and dyes and food or

02:15:41.100 to have snap waivers to get rid of soda and snap these things are happening to get nutrition

02:15:45.060 education like in texas for doctors or you know stop punishing kids by restricting recess and

02:15:50.440 jib you know like they need it uh there's things happening that are sort of the maha movement is

02:15:56.160 sort of catalyzed this this groundswell that i i'm sort of shocked i mean i i never thought 0.96

02:16:00.820 it's awesome i hear cali means drop it all the time he's like you're gonna tell the maha moms 0.95

02:16:05.240 out there that you won't take sugar out and they're like it's great he's using it and he should 1.00

02:16:09.300 yeah because the the maha mom thing is real like they're out there and they're pissed off about 0.98

02:16:14.260 what's been done i'm a hundred percent mom happily and proudly because i i'm pissed off about what 0.54

02:16:20.260 the what these industries have done to me to my family how hard they've made it for us all

02:16:25.140 how expensive they've made it for us why and the government's been sort of in collusion a little

02:16:30.140 bit yeah that's the problem why most people can't afford to shop at whole foods it's very expensive

02:16:34.860 walmart is so hard to get a vegetable walmart is the biggest organic grocer in the country it is

02:16:40.840 it is the biggest organic there's not a walmart near me that's why there are walmarts near most

02:16:45.300 of underserved populations so i mean i i shopped at walmart and you know during covid i was helping

02:16:50.920 different people who couldn't get food i would go get food i was like wow i can fill up in a giant

02:16:54.540 like grocery cart full of real food that's good for 500 bucks grass-fed beef like a giant walmart

02:16:59.860 carton like a regular grocery cart yeah not grass-fed necessarily but just like real food okay

02:17:04.320 you know meat vegetables you know how important is the grass-fed thing in the hierarchy of things

02:17:09.740 i think it's less important okay and it's more important to have regenerative agriculture to

02:17:13.320 rebuild our soil and to sort of rebuild farms in terms of your health i think the kind of trade-off

02:17:19.820 between eating real food and eating processed food i would skip the organic and i would skip

02:17:24.600 I mean, this is my selling heresy, but in terms of like having a choice, if you can't afford it, I would always choose the real food versus the processed food.

02:17:34.260 Back to RMKJ, they definitely want to destroy him.

02:17:37.180 And so one of my feelings is for the next four years, hopefully he decides to keep the job that long, we need to be super wary of hit pieces on him because the odds are they've been planted by one of his detractors.

02:17:49.800 Just in the news now, they're trying to blame him for this measles outbreak down in Texas.

02:17:54.600 in a community of Mennonites 0.94

02:17:56.900 who don't take vaccines and never have. 0.97

02:17:59.480 That's right.

02:17:59.820 Long before Bobby Kennedy-

02:18:01.540 Before he came on the scene, right?

02:18:02.360 Yeah, nevermind became HHS secretary.

02:18:04.360 It's like, he went down there out of empathy

02:18:06.900 to this little boy's funeral.

02:18:08.780 And they're like, you're to blame.

02:18:11.580 Yeah.

02:18:12.320 But I do wonder,

02:18:13.420 like that kind of story gets amplified

02:18:15.000 and I don't think it's totally organic.

02:18:17.300 Oh, it's not.

02:18:17.940 I mean, it's really not.

02:18:19.220 I mean, it's sort of insidious.

02:18:20.920 I mean, with Dr. Oz, they did this.

02:18:23.660 The New York Times published a piece on him years ago, taking him down, because this group called the American Council on Science and Health wrote a letter to Columbia to take him off the faculty because he was a quack.

02:18:35.360 And there was, you know, like sort of eight or nine doctors on the letterhead that was from the American Council on Science and Health. 0.82

02:18:40.940 When you look at who that group is, they're funded by the pesticide industry, by the big food manufacturers, by big pharma, by tobacco.

02:18:48.540 Wow.

02:18:48.940 And they basically say that pesticides, cigarettes, and trans fats are fine. 0.99

02:18:53.620 We shouldn't worry about them.

02:18:54.780 I remember this.

02:18:55.540 And they'd come after me.

02:18:56.340 Is it because he was pushing supplements on his show,

02:18:58.520 like as an advertiser?

02:18:59.520 I mean, maybe.

02:19:00.480 That was their in.

02:19:01.440 Maybe, but he also was challenging things

02:19:03.920 about the food system.

02:19:05.280 Oh, no, I'm just saying that's the excuse

02:19:06.760 they found to come from him.

02:19:07.640 And when you look at who that group was,

02:19:09.760 like one of the guys spent years in jail

02:19:11.820 for Medicare fraud.

02:19:13.720 And I was sort of shocked that the New York Times

02:19:16.060 is an investigative journalist outlet,

02:19:19.240 I thought, and it wasn't.

02:19:21.040 I mean, it took me like 10 minutes

02:19:22.600 to figure out who these people were by Googling them

02:19:24.600 and what their backgrounds were

02:19:26.060 and why they had this opinion

02:19:27.260 and what this group was about.

02:19:28.920 And there's so many of these front groups out there

02:19:30.980 that seem noble and high-minded.

02:19:34.040 The American Council on Science and Health,

02:19:35.720 who would not believe what they have to say, right?

02:19:37.660 Or like in another lane,

02:19:39.140 the American Academy of Pediatrics.

02:19:41.120 Yeah, 100%.

02:19:42.000 We used to trust and now should not.

02:19:44.320 All of the, everything,

02:19:45.240 whether it's American Diabetes Association,

02:19:46.740 American Heart Association,

02:19:47.800 American Academy of Pediatrics,

02:19:48.960 some of them are doing good things.

02:19:50.640 But on the other hand,

02:19:51.560 they're also funded in large part by pharma and food industry well why are why are pediatricians

02:19:57.100 still pushing the flu vaccine on us and grown-up doctors too it's one of those things that i do not

02:20:03.860 understand you know in medicine and science the whole point is to question your assumptions and

02:20:10.140 science is based on hypotheses that challenge given assumptions so it's really about the

02:20:15.960 questions when you start to ask questions about vaccines you're all of a sudden a heretic and

02:20:21.500 Oh, YouTube's labeling our video right now. 0.90

02:20:24.380 For real information about vaccines, go to the CDC.

02:20:26.920 Yeah, you're excommunicated as a scientist, as a doctor.

02:20:30.140 When I was at Cleveland Clinic, I had written an article years before I joined about a kid who had autism that I treated.

02:20:37.260 And in the history, I said, this is the history.

02:20:40.060 And this is the kid had, you know, born by C-section or took antibiotics or had gut issues or had this.

02:20:44.400 And, you know, the mother said, and she was actually a VP at Pfizer, said, you know, by the way, you know, my kid had this MMR vaccine.

02:20:50.880 and after that, he seemed to get regressive autism.

02:20:53.360 And I'm not saying it was a cause.

02:20:54.580 I'm just saying, I wrote about it

02:20:56.220 as part of the medical history.

02:20:57.760 And then even at the beginning of the article,

02:20:59.380 I wrote a disclaimer.

02:21:00.200 I said, I'm not saying vaccines cause autism.

02:21:01.560 I'm just saying like-

02:21:02.180 This is part of the story.

02:21:02.960 Part of the story.

02:21:03.740 And this kind of got up through the drinks

02:21:06.320 at Cleveland Clinic and the pediatric department

02:21:08.220 said, you have to write a letter

02:21:09.220 stating that you are 100% in support of vaccines

02:21:12.160 or you're basically fired.

02:21:13.740 What?

02:21:14.160 Like that's the kind of thinking in medicine.

02:21:17.740 And whether you're Jay Bhattacharya

02:21:18.880 who got kind of blacklisted

02:21:20.620 or you're people who start to question things,

02:21:23.140 we should be asking questions.

02:21:25.380 And when you look at vaccine history,

02:21:27.720 there's great benefit,

02:21:28.820 but also we should be honest.

02:21:30.360 They're like any other medical treatment

02:21:31.980 that has benefits and risks.

02:21:33.300 With the COVID vaccine,

02:21:34.060 we saw myocarditis and other issues.

02:21:35.700 I mean, young adults who got vaccinated more than once

02:21:38.340 had a greater risk of myocarditis from the vaccine

02:21:40.800 than they got from COVID.

02:21:42.340 That's just, that's published in major peer-reviewed journals.

02:21:44.520 This is not a heretic opinion.

02:21:47.640 But what's so annoying about it,

02:21:48.560 so now you can say it because it's been published

02:21:50.280 and so on but at the time when we were first seeing signs of it yeah and you had like pediatric

02:21:54.840 cardiologists coming forward to say hold on i'm seeing this yeah you even then when they knew

02:22:00.240 something might be developing they completely stifled debate or outing of those concerns that's

02:22:04.780 that's when it was most needed yeah and but also most banned you know or like you couldn't talk

02:22:12.640 about yeah it's kind of nuts i mean i i think it's just that we can't trust the american public to

02:22:17.200 deal with a nuanced conversation, to teach them about the benefits and the risk, to help them

02:22:21.200 understand the difference between sterile immunity and disease immunity. Sterile immunity is you get

02:22:24.540 measles vaccine, you never get measles. Disease immunity is you get a vaccine like the flu vaccine

02:22:29.080 or COVID vaccine, you reduce your risk of getting the disease or the severity of disease or

02:22:32.520 hospitalization or death. That's a very different thing. So when they say it's safe and effective,

02:22:37.440 that's a trope that doesn't make any sense. Nothing in medicine is safe and 100% effective

02:22:41.800 or 100% safe. Whether it's getting an injection for a procedure, you can potentially get an

02:22:46.480 infection you can get bleeding i mean i mean i had back surgery and i i you know after you know

02:22:51.600 i had a huge bleed into my spine it was wasn't a doctor didn't do it on purpose but it was a

02:22:56.580 complication that i yeah so there are benefits and risks to anything in medicine to any drug

02:23:00.700 aspirin i mean we used to think aspirin was god's gift to mankind people were taking it every day

02:23:05.660 everybody should take aspirin to prevent heart attacks and then the data started emerging as

02:23:09.600 doctors continue to ask questions we should be asking questions oh let's look at this again so 0.97

02:23:14.740 they looked at it again and they thought oh shit you know like it's actually causing more deaths 0.98

02:23:18.320 in people who were at low risk for heart disease from brain bleeds and gi bleeds stomach bleeds 0.96

02:23:24.100 than from preventing heart attacks so let's let's restrict the use of it to those who are at the

02:23:28.780 highest risk which is what we should be doing in medicine constantly learning evolving growing

02:23:32.440 but when it comes to vaccines you can't even ask the question so you know i i've been vaccinated

02:23:36.860 i have my kids vaccinated i mean like i'm not anti-vaccine i think they're an important part

02:23:40.980 of our medical arsenal but they're not like perfect and they have problems and we should

02:23:45.660 be studying this yeah nothing is above uh questions yeah in medicine or shouldn't be and you know what

02:23:50.340 we're in a new era where when people say it's it's it's it's debunked it's been settled and

02:23:54.740 these are just things that are so anti-science right it's amazing those words should be retired

02:23:59.160 exactly but i mean you look we're now we've got trump we've got bobby we've got jay batachari we

02:24:03.540 got marty mccary like we're we're slowly but surely turning this aircraft carrier around but

02:24:07.540 It's going to require like antenna for the attacks on them and voices.

02:24:13.140 And we're going to have to get pissed off and follow the Cali means method of yelling at everybody.

02:24:19.640 I told him he's got to calm down.

02:24:21.200 He's got to like just chill out.

02:24:23.880 No, never.

02:24:24.800 I disagree, Cali.

02:24:25.580 Don't listen to Mark.

02:24:26.840 All right, Sam, we're going to take a break.

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02:24:59.860 I know you may be thinking, no, I can't.

02:25:02.100 I got, that's like he said, about a dollar a day for your health, like actually to find out

02:25:07.560 potentially if you have cancer, like this seems smart. Now let's talk about the weight loss drugs

02:25:14.040 because it seems like one of the first things that Trump did in the Maha lane was to take them

02:25:19.380 off of the Medicare and Medicaid two options. And, but that seems counterintuitive because

02:25:26.960 being fat causes everything. It's true. It's, it's complicated. I mean, you know,

02:25:31.160 Medicare Part D is the drug benefit for Medicare.

02:25:33.640 It's $145 billion.

02:25:35.580 If you treated all the obese people in Medicare with those MPIC,

02:25:38.960 it would be, I think, $267 billion just for that.

02:25:42.300 But wouldn't it then lower the cost of all the other things they need?

02:25:45.240 It might, it might.

02:25:46.400 But the question is, is there a different way to go about this?

02:25:49.760 And can you get the same benefits?

02:25:51.540 And what is going on with our food system and the causes of this?

02:25:55.140 So it's easy to look for that quick fix or the quick jab that's going to solve all your problems.

02:25:58.420 But it doesn't come without risk.

02:25:59.580 So when you take these drugs, one, you might feel nauseous and not feeling great.

02:26:04.000 So that's probably how it works.

02:26:05.300 It makes you not want to eat because you don't feel good.

02:26:07.700 So who wants to rock around with that?

02:26:09.340 And most people discontinue it after the first year.

02:26:11.680 I mean, it's a big discontinuation rate because of the side effects.

02:26:16.320 Not only that, those are short-term kind of short-lived side effects,

02:26:18.640 but we see a 400% increase in bowel obstruction, which needs surgery.

02:26:22.400 We see a 900% increase in pancreatic injury.

02:26:26.060 We see increases in thyroid cancer.

02:26:27.620 So there may be people debate that whether it's just in animals or not,

02:26:30.080 but it's still a concern.

02:26:31.700 And you see people losing half their weight as muscle.

02:26:37.080 Muscle is where your metabolism is.

02:26:39.300 So here's the problem.

02:26:40.660 You lose, let's say, 50 pounds.

02:26:42.520 Half of that's muscle.

02:26:43.760 You get off the drug because most people stop it.

02:26:45.840 You gain back the weight.

02:26:47.680 Now it's all fat.

02:26:48.640 All fat.

02:26:49.360 So then you could be the same weight you were when you started. 0.86

02:26:51.780 Except a lot flabbier.

02:26:53.020 Your metabolism would be slower because muscle from seven times the calories is fat.

02:26:57.100 So you need to eat less at the same weight just to maintain that weight.

02:27:00.640 So it's a slippery slope unless you are,

02:27:03.580 and I think this is something that we've talked about

02:27:05.560 in some of the policy conversations we have had.

02:27:08.340 If you're going to give this drug,

02:27:09.740 it must be delivered along with a nutrition counseling program

02:27:14.220 that makes you eat at least a gram of protein per ideal body weight.

02:27:18.800 So let's say per pound of ideal body weight.

02:27:20.240 So let's say you're 120 pounds, you need 120 grams of protein.

02:27:23.980 And a strength training program.

02:27:25.580 So you keep your muscle.

02:27:27.100 And if you don't do that,

02:27:28.240 there's a huge risk on the backside of it.

02:27:29.860 You're going to be skinny fat. 0.58

02:27:31.140 Skinny fat, it's great. 0.94

02:27:32.540 I know, it's a terrible situation.

02:27:34.580 Nobody wants to be skinny fat.

02:27:35.520 It's like, you look good in clothes,

02:27:37.060 but then when you take the clothes off,

02:27:38.480 it goes downhill fast.

02:27:39.300 There's another word for it called toffee, not tofu.

02:27:41.260 Thin on the outside, fat on the inside.

02:27:42.780 Oh yeah, nobody wants that.

02:27:44.080 That's fine until you get to beach season.

02:27:45.740 These are an important advance in medicine,

02:27:48.480 but they have to be prescribed intelligently.

02:27:50.460 They have to be done in the right way

02:27:51.440 for the right person.

02:27:52.280 It's not a panacea for everything.

02:27:53.740 And we have to fix our food system.

02:27:55.480 And we have to fix the reason why we're fat.

02:27:57.460 But if you had like a morbidly obese person come in to see you,

02:27:59.900 you wouldn't consider like saying, 1.00

02:28:01.460 you want to check out a Zempick? 1.00

02:28:03.080 Yeah, I think, you know, what did we do before this? 1.00

02:28:06.040 You know, there's a woman working with me 0.61

02:28:07.380 who's been working on my nonprofit for years. 0.92

02:28:10.660 She's now the first lady of West Virginia. 1.00

02:28:12.040 She lost over a hundred pounds 1.00

02:28:13.340 just following some simple guidance 1.00

02:28:14.900 that I gave her about what to do.

02:28:15.920 She's a brilliant woman, 0.98

02:28:17.140 but she didn't ever know about nutrition.

02:28:18.820 I just saw another woman in Cleveland Clinic 0.95

02:28:20.680 who had heart failure, type 2 diabetes, hypertension.

02:28:23.680 tension. She had multiple stents put in. She had fatty livers. Her kidneys were starting to fail.

02:28:27.980 I mean, she was on her way to a kidney and a heart transplant. And within three days,

02:28:31.600 and this sounds crazy, but she was off her insulin by changing her diet. In three months,

02:28:35.280 she reversed her diabetes. Her A1c, which is your average blood sugar, went from 11

02:28:38.920 to 5.5, which is normal. Her heart failure reversed. We call it the injection fracture

02:28:43.420 was how much blood you can pump out per minute. Again, that got back to normal from being low.

02:28:48.040 Her kidneys got better. Her fatty liver went away. She got off her medications. She saved

02:28:51.380 twenty thousand dollars in co-pay i don't know what you medicare was covering for her but that 0.80

02:28:55.080 was her co-pay you save a lot of money and it's just about teaching people the basics of what to

02:29:00.180 do and most people don't know like the family i was talking about this was the pre-ozempic era

02:29:04.200 a lot of people know and they just they some people very hard some people do some people just

02:29:08.120 don't know and i think you know that's what i i i have changed over the years i've i sort of

02:29:12.740 believed like like i said earlier that people who are overweight or who have these conditions they

02:29:17.740 know better but they just don't do it no it's more than that they don't know because the whole

02:29:22.220 society has sort of made it hard for them to know i gotta ask you this is a different category but

02:29:27.640 i gotta get this in emf and rf this is like should we be worried about it like wi-fi and yeah tooth

02:29:35.620 and then and so-called dirty electricity coming out of your outlets yeah how big of an issue is

02:29:41.360 it i don't know i don't think that there's a lot of good data i think there's some data that it

02:29:45.400 There may be some issues in human biology.

02:29:47.360 When you think about it, we're electromagnetic beings.

02:29:49.560 You have your heartbeat, your brain waves.

02:29:51.060 We can see those electrical signals.

02:29:53.760 I mean, you know that if you go into certain areas, there's interference with your phone.

02:29:57.400 So the stuff actually we know impacts our electromagnetic system.

02:30:01.960 How it's linked to disease, how bad it is, I think it's very hard to understand or study

02:30:06.280 because you can't do a randomized controlled trial with this.

02:30:08.720 You can't take part.

02:30:09.380 Wouldn't we all be coming down with cancer if exposure to Wi-Fi caused it?

02:30:14.880 yeah i mean i mean everybody we are the thing is we are seeing increasing cancer rates so people

02:30:20.860 say oh heart disease deaths have gone down yes because we have better treatments but

02:30:24.300 has the incidence gone down no we've seen more people with heart disease more people with cancer

02:30:28.960 more people with every single chronic disease alzheimer's diabetes you name it autoimmune

02:30:33.360 disease it's getting worse across the board and so it's multifactorial it's not just one thing and

02:30:38.480 could it be a factor yeah but i i think you think twice about having wi-fi in your house uh no i do

02:30:43.860 but I turned it off in my bedroom.

02:30:45.220 And I noticed this.

02:30:46.720 I mean, this is totally anecdotal.

02:30:47.800 But when I go camping or I'm sleeping outside,

02:30:49.880 like, I sleep better.

02:30:51.700 My whole well-being changes.

02:30:53.780 And it could be nature.

02:30:54.640 It could be a lot of other things.

02:30:55.800 But I always wonder if that,

02:30:57.200 or sometimes even when the power goes out,

02:30:58.980 because, you know, when the power goes out,

02:31:00.120 sometimes it goes out for three or four days.

02:31:01.400 Like, wow, I feel a lot better.

02:31:02.400 I sleep better.

02:31:03.280 You know, I mean, it's kind of amazing.

02:31:05.000 So that's anecdotal.

02:31:06.340 But I think it's something we should study.

02:31:08.780 What about that?

02:31:09.500 Well, you see a headline every other day

02:31:11.260 that young people, like people in their 20s,

02:31:12.880 are getting colon cancer at really alarming rates.

02:31:16.120 Is that true?

02:31:17.160 And do you know why?

02:31:18.320 Yes, 100% true.

02:31:19.660 I think the why is a question.

02:31:21.500 My view is that it's related to the change

02:31:23.220 in our microbiome from our diet

02:31:25.000 and from the increased load of environmental toxins.

02:31:27.380 And that's probably driving most of it.

02:31:30.120 What about antibiotics? 1.00

02:31:31.600 You were talking about the woman 1.00

02:31:32.460 with the messed up microbiome

02:31:33.880 and you mentioned you gave her antibiotics. 0.81

02:31:35.400 I thought antibiotics caused a bad microbiome.

02:31:37.200 Well, they can be good, they can be bad. 0.53

02:31:38.400 So she had an overgrowth of bacteria called SIBO,

02:31:41.780 which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth.

02:31:43.980 And she also had SIFO,

02:31:45.020 which is small intestinal fungal overgrowth.

02:31:46.820 So sometimes you need to get rid of the bad guys.

02:31:49.100 Like if you have a parasite,

02:31:50.080 you need an antiparasitic medication. 0.85

02:31:52.300 I would love to get a parasite. 1.00

02:31:54.540 Every woman I know dreams of that. 1.00

02:31:56.900 Yeah, worms for weight loss. 1.00

02:31:58.500 Yeah, exactly.

02:31:59.900 It's our new company, worms for weight loss.

02:32:01.940 No, we used to joke,

02:32:02.920 my hairstylist and I were joking

02:32:04.020 during the COVID pandemic.

02:32:04.920 If Dr. Fauci would just say there's some Ozempic

02:32:07.180 in those COVID vaccines,

02:32:08.340 everybody would get them.

02:32:09.220 Everybody would get them. 1.00

02:32:09.640 Every single woman on earth would be like, 1.00

02:32:11.260 i'll take it i want all my boosters it's true but you know antibiotics have a role in medicine but

02:32:15.700 we you know we way overuse them i mean there's 29 million pounds of antibiotics to use an animal feed

02:32:21.100 to prevent infection from overcrowding there's about a couple of million that are used for

02:32:24.520 humans for therapy so that's crazy antibiotic resistance it kills 700 000 people a year

02:32:29.380 it's kind of a big issue and it's a big big problem but you know for certain indications

02:32:34.120 for example like bowel overgrowth there's specific antibiotics are not absorbed that can be taken that

02:32:38.000 are generally well tolerated and that you have to then rebuild the gut after so you know you have

02:32:43.300 to how hard is it to rebuild the gut after an antibiotics course uh it's it's not that hard

02:32:49.460 if you take probiotics if you eat healthy diet if you feed your microbiome phytochemicals and fiber

02:32:54.760 it can come back okay yeah um i've been taking this like shot not not for antibiotics just

02:33:02.360 because I was, I don't know,

02:33:03.460 everybody says it's supposed to be good for you,

02:33:04.620 of raw, it's like honey,

02:33:08.140 what is it, apple cider vinegar and some lemon. 0.57

02:33:10.960 It is the most disgusting.

02:33:13.280 You take it and you're like, oh, is this important?

02:33:17.720 I mean, it can be good to change the pH of your stomach,

02:33:20.580 but I'm not a big subscriber to that.

02:33:22.660 It's so painful.

02:33:24.240 But I don't really like all that fermented stuff

02:33:26.140 they say that you should eat,

02:33:27.060 like sauerkraut and pickled this and pickled that.

02:33:30.080 I don't know.

02:33:30.620 So I don't like this diet.

02:33:32.400 I'm not having sardines, and I don't love my vinegar drink,

02:33:36.100 and I don't want to eat a bunch of sour cream.

02:33:38.100 I do like the yogurt.

02:33:38.800 But yogurt's good too, right?

02:33:40.260 I mean, can I do that instead of the apple cider vinegar?

02:33:42.100 If it's not industrial yogurt, yes.

02:33:44.220 It's industrial.

02:33:45.080 What do you mean?

02:33:45.460 I mean, like factory-farm cows that are pumpable antibiotics, hormones, 0.55

02:33:48.620 and it gets into the milk.

02:33:49.640 I don't even know how I found that out.

02:33:51.160 I hadn't even considered that.

02:33:51.980 Well, you can buy organic yogurt.

02:33:54.180 I don't think mine is organic.

02:33:55.240 I've got to go look at that immediately.

02:33:56.880 I hadn't even considered it.

02:33:58.480 Okay, so in sum, we need to detoxify ourselves.

02:34:04.180 We need to detoxify our environment.

02:34:06.380 You mentioned mold.

02:34:07.300 You mentioned lime, all the ultra-processed foods, bio-organic.

02:34:12.100 Yeah, ultra-processed foods.

02:34:13.100 I mean, if you could get a message out that's simple, it's like if it's a food that you can't recognize

02:34:21.480 or make in your kitchen with the ingredients that you have in your kitchen, you probably shouldn't eat it.

02:34:25.840 Don't eat it.

02:34:26.180 If you don't have butylated hydroxy toluene that you put on your vegetables or you shrink

02:34:30.780 on your steak, don't buy food with it.

02:34:33.040 Yeah.

02:34:33.600 Better safe than sorry.

02:34:34.240 It's almost like you need to get rid of your pantry.

02:34:35.960 I think we need a fridge biopsy for most people, a pantry biopsy, and we need to get rid of

02:34:40.140 the stuff that's harmful.

02:34:41.020 Yeah.

02:34:41.220 And I think that's the thing that most people can do.

02:34:43.360 They can look at their kitchen, go through everything.

02:34:45.660 And I've written a lot about this in my books, but how do you actually have a healthy pantry?

02:34:48.820 How do you get rid of those things that are harmful?

02:34:51.360 And if you go through there and look at the ingredients, if it's stuff you don't recognize,

02:34:54.500 get rid of it.

02:34:54.920 If you can't pronounce it, if it's in Latin, don't eat it.

02:34:57.700 You know, like it has weird ingredients, like multitude.

02:34:59.880 You or your kids.

02:35:01.220 Yeah, or your kids.

02:35:01.840 Yeah, exactly.

02:35:02.700 Yeah.

02:35:02.960 So what you're saying is that my mom serving me Wildberry High C with every meal was not

02:35:08.760 exactly the best choice.

02:35:10.420 No, probably not. 1.00

02:35:11.320 Linda!

02:35:12.100 Probably not.

02:35:13.040 This is where we went wrong.

02:35:14.480 That's right.

02:35:15.280 Dr. Mark Hyman, it's a pleasure.

02:35:17.220 Pleasure.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - July 12, 2026

Dr. Marty Makary and Dr. Mark Hyman - Megyn Kelly's ＂Double Feature＂ of Fascinating Interviews

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