The Megyn Kelly Show - Elite Establishment's Ties to Big Pharma, and Keys to Avoiding Ultra-Processed Food, with Dr. Casey Means ｜ Ep. 887

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00:00:30.700 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.540 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.240 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:44.020 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.340 It may be Friday the 13th, but it is in fact your lucky day

00:00:48.660 because we have one of the most fascinating guests in America.

00:00:53.040 I'm so excited to talk to Dr. Casey Means.

00:00:56.380 Now, this book has been out for a couple of months.

00:01:00.000 But I confess, I had not heard about it until my pal Tucker Carlson had Casey Means on his show.

00:01:06.380 And then I listened almost with bated breath to the interview.

00:01:11.040 I could not believe some of the things I was hearing.

00:01:13.700 Some I had heard before, but they were expanded on in very easy to digest ways.

00:01:17.320 And by the way, speaking of Tucker Carlson, I was with him last night in Kansas City, Missouri,

00:01:21.960 and we had just a chat on this sort of open tour he's doing with a bunch of folks across several cities.

00:01:28.620 And it was super fun.

00:01:30.120 And I think he'll be dropping that as a podcast today, if memory serves.

00:01:34.040 But I'll just want to say before we get started, what a great way for two, like, ex-cable newsers, right?

00:01:41.780 Ex-TV newsers to get back together on our own terms as independent broadcasters and be able to talk about anything.

00:01:52.000 Totally liberating.

00:01:54.420 It's just more validation that I'm in the right lane, and I think you guys know that.

00:01:59.520 And to those of you who actually spent money and got in cars and got in planes and got yourselves to Kansas City last night to listen,

00:02:07.360 thank you so much.

00:02:08.600 I just, that takes a lot of effort.

00:02:10.560 And I was very touched by the big turnout.

00:02:12.500 It was wonderful to meet some of the people who listen and watch, listen to and watch this show every day in person

00:02:18.620 and hug you and to hold each other, depending on the level of emotionality.

00:02:24.580 And it did vary.

00:02:26.040 And shake hands and hear what motivates you in your own life, what you care about.

00:02:29.920 So thank you.

00:02:31.440 Thanks to all of you, whether you were there or not.

00:02:33.100 I appreciate you listening to the show.

00:02:34.940 Okay, so I love you so much that I'm going to extend your life today.

00:02:39.020 I literally feel like Casey Means has extended my life.

00:02:43.860 This book, Good Energy, you can see it's got all my highlights on it.

00:02:47.460 It's pretty, isn't it?

00:02:48.200 It's got a nice cover.

00:02:49.360 Good Energy.

00:02:50.500 And I also listen to the audio book because, you know, that's how I consume most of my books these days.

00:02:56.600 And that other interview with Tucker that I just mentioned, and now today we're going to expand on some of the things I learned,

00:03:02.740 which I will help short form so we can move things along and get to some very practical advice.

00:03:08.020 That's my hope, that you can walk away today saying, maybe I can't do all 20 things, right?

00:03:13.180 But maybe I can do five.

00:03:15.600 And these small changes can make all the difference in your life.

00:03:19.620 And five is a start.

00:03:20.920 You know, in a year, maybe you will have done 10.

00:03:24.180 And in two years, maybe you will have done 20.

00:03:27.060 But let's get it started.

00:03:28.860 Because Casey Means, along with her brother Callie, have been sounding the alarm for us all about America's health crisis.

00:03:36.240 And they're really kind of responsible for the Make America Healthy Again movement, spearheaded by RFKJ.

00:03:41.980 Callie has been advising RFKJ.

00:03:44.620 And Casey is his brilliant surgeon sister who is author of this New York Times bestseller, Good Energy.

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00:05:14.340 Casey, welcome to the show.

00:05:16.260 Megan, thank you.

00:05:17.700 Oh, the pleasure is mine.

00:05:18.460 I'm so excited to be here.

00:05:19.780 Yeah, me too.

00:05:20.680 I have so much I want to ask you.

00:05:22.520 So let's get folks up to speed who haven't heard the interview that I refer to or haven't read the book because, you know, good energy, they may be like, what is that, like vibes?

00:05:32.620 Because they're sick of vibes at this point in this election cycle.

00:05:35.300 It's not vibes.

00:05:36.660 So when we're talking about good energy, we are talking about the very foundational way that our bodies work.

00:05:42.520 We're talking about metabolic health, a word that fortunately we're hearing more about these days.

00:05:46.900 But we're talking about how our cells power themselves, which might be something that people have never thought about before.

00:05:53.780 And yet, metabolic dysfunction is the root cause of nearly every chronic disease torturing American lives today from childhood all the way into our elderly years.

00:06:04.880 So it's a term we've got to get familiar with.

00:06:07.000 And the reason I wrote this book is because I had trained in the conventional health care system.

00:06:11.400 I'd done what every good medical student does, rise the ranks of that academic ladder, went to Stanford Medical School, did five years of head and neck surgery training.

00:06:19.660 And at the end of that training, before launching out into being a, you know, private practice or academic attending physician, I looked around me at what was happening in American health more broadly and realized that even though, you know, I'm working hard in my lane as an ear, nose and throat surgeon, more broadly, American health is just getting destroyed.

00:06:42.640 It's getting destroyed.

00:06:44.260 Chronic illness is exploding across the lifespan.

00:06:47.180 And that's not something that I really learned about in medical school.

00:06:51.000 I didn't learn about, you know, why are these diseases going up?

00:06:54.280 What are the factors that have changed recently in human history that are making us have this explosion of chronic disease?

00:07:00.740 And that's a journey that I needed to go on before really launching out.

00:07:04.760 And when I did that, what I found was that when you look at the science through the lens of root causes, not just the symptoms we're treating, not just the drugs that we need, you know, to prescribe to all of these different ailments that we have.

00:07:16.020 When we look at root causes, what we find is that nearly every chronic disease torturing American lives today is rooted in metabolic dysfunction.

00:07:23.400 And that is an issue with how our bodies literally power themselves.

00:07:26.740 So that's what I'm talking about with good energy.

00:07:28.780 When our cells make good energy, i.e. have good metabolic health, so many of the conditions that are plaguing us can improve.

00:07:36.500 And so that needs to be the central focus of our American health care system.

00:07:39.260 And right now it is the intentional blind spot of the American health care system.

00:07:44.000 And so that's what this book is all about.

00:07:47.460 And so it covers a lot.

00:07:48.880 It covers the biggest thing is food and what we're, you know, and that seems to be the biggest driver of cellular health.

00:07:54.640 But it covers some exercise, too, and it covers environmental toxins and things that we may be putting on our bodies and so on.

00:08:00.620 So it's got the full panoply of things that will affect your cells and how you can improve.

00:08:05.860 That's why I say if people, you know, feel overwhelmed, they can pick and choose and just get started.

00:08:11.000 But I think the food being such a huge influencer is empowering because if you're not yet an exerciser, just start thinking about the food.

00:08:22.180 If you don't want to think about your shampoo and your makeup and your carpet and all, then just start with the thing that you're most actively involved in because everybody's putting food in their mouth every day.

00:08:33.520 And these critical changes can genuinely extend lifespan and improve health along the way.

00:08:41.860 That's exactly right.

00:08:43.520 The unique thing about this moment in time that we're living right now is that our world has radically changed, just exponential rate of change over the past hundred or so years with industrialization and urbanization and technological advancement.

00:08:59.580 But from a cell's perspective, we have, you know, 40 trillion cells in our body.

00:09:04.900 The world is very different than what it's been expecting through all of human history.

00:09:10.100 And so what's really happening with our health being destroyed right now in our country is that there is a severe mismatch between what our cells need to thrive and work properly and what our environment looks like right now.

00:09:22.680 And that's across lots of different domains.

00:09:24.820 It's across, of course, food, which I believe is really that that number one domain that we've got to, you know, get back to the basics, because that that's really the that's the two to three pounds of molecular information that we put in our mouth every day to tell ourselves basically what to be built from and how to function.

00:09:42.780 But we're also talking about sleep habits.

00:09:45.400 We're talking about the fact that we are sleeping 20 percent less than we were 100 years ago, our emotional health, the fact that we have low grade chronic stress all the time now from these devices in our hands 24 hours a day that, you know, are streaming fear inducing sensationalist, you know, news stories from all around the world straight to our eyeballs when we're at the dinner table.

00:10:06.100 And when we're in our beds, we're talking about the sedentary behavior, the fact that Americans are literally sitting 80 percent of the day.

00:10:14.220 We're the only bipedal upright mammals, and yet we choose to lock ourselves in a chair for 80 percent of the day, just squandering the miraculous gift of being able to move.

00:10:21.340 We're talking about the environmental toxins.

00:10:23.260 We're talking about the 80,000 plus synthetic toxins that have entered our food, water, air and homes over the past hundred years by industry virtually unregulated, many of which are destroying our cellular health.

00:10:32.920 We're talking about our relationship with light, the fact that we for ever since the incandescent light bulb was invented just a couple hundred years ago.

00:10:40.360 And now at the advent of blue light emitting technology, we're literally blasting our retinas with artificial light all the time.

00:10:46.660 And this is totally destroying our circadian biology and our core foundational cellular health.

00:10:51.040 So these are some of the things that we're we're dealing with as a body, as a group of cells that make up our body that's looking for information from the environment and not getting the signal needs to function.

00:11:02.920 So what the chronic disease epidemic really represents is this just sheer and utter confusion of our bodies with the signals that it's getting from all around us.

00:11:13.040 And getting back to food, this is the one that I mean, each of these pillars that I'm speaking about has a profound impact on our core cellular health and metabolic health.

00:11:23.440 But food, we have to realize we eat somewhere between 40 and 70 metric tons of food in our lifetime.

00:11:31.040 And this is not just calories. This is not just energy. This is the building blocks, the atomic molecular building blocks of our cells.

00:11:38.780 And what people don't really realize is that our cells are actually constantly turning over throughout our lifetime, even though, you know, I kind of we kind of look the same day to day.

00:11:48.520 You know, I'm kind of going to look pretty similar tomorrow that I do today.

00:11:51.920 Actually, hundreds of billions of cells are dying and being reborn and they are re 3D printing themselves out of food.

00:11:57.800 Isn't that incredible? We don't we don't think about the body that way as a process.

00:12:01.300 So we've got to give the body good information every single day and pay that bill of healthy, good food every day because we're constantly, constantly changing over our body.

00:12:14.440 Our gut lining, our entire skin cells completely turns over every few weeks.

00:12:19.280 So we've got to constantly be feeding the body with good information right now.

00:12:23.200 So 70% of our calories are coming from ultra processed, industrially manufactured, frankenfood, ultra processed foods, devoid of nutrients, filled with toxic additives, a modern invention created by food scientists in the past 50 years that now make up the majority of our calories.

00:12:40.220 Of course, we're sick. We are eating 70% of that molecular information that builds our body from essentially garbage that does not have what our cells need to function.

00:12:48.800 So that's why food is so important. But the second piece is also that food is what tells our genes and our cell signaling pathways what to do.

00:12:57.220 We think of our genes as our destiny. It's not true. Our genes are a blueprint and how those genes interact with the environment is what our outcomes are.

00:13:05.560 And food is one of those key things that changes our genetic expression.

00:13:09.360 I'll give you a simple example that I talk about in the book. You look at a herb like turmeric.

00:13:13.740 It has thousands of molecular compounds in it that the earth and that the soil has made for us to help our genes and our cell signaling function properly.

00:13:23.320 And one of those is curcumin. Curcumin actually goes into our cells.

00:13:26.780 It binds to proteins within the cells and changes the expression, decreases the expression of our key inflammatory pathway, which is called NF kappa B.

00:13:35.440 So you're eating this food and you're actually turning the knob down on inflammatory pathway that drives disease.

00:13:41.720 And we could talk about any natural food in this way filled with thousands of chemical compounds natural from the earth, from God to help us live our highest purpose life.

00:13:51.320 And we, instead of using that precious gift with real unprocessed food from good soil that's filled with nutrients, we have decided that food is nothing more than calories.

00:14:02.400 And it doesn't matter if we eat nutrient-avoid ultra-processed food from a factory for 70% of our calories.

00:14:08.740 Well, this is a science experiment that has failed.

00:14:10.840 Americans are just absolutely getting astronomically ill, and food is a key piece of that. 1.00

00:14:15.960 And, you know, unfortunately, there's a lot of systems issues that lead to why we have become enamored with ultra-processed foods because of so many incentives at the level of the farm bill and at the level of how media is funded that essentially make us believe that ultra-processed foods are fine and normal when, in fact, they are not.

00:14:35.280 Well, we, I am old enough to have lived through the moment in time when the messaging changed from what's bad for you is sugary foods and fatty foods are fine to fat is the problem, sugar is the solution.

00:14:51.920 They took all the fat out of the foods.

00:14:53.300 To make them taste better, they put all the sugar in.

00:14:55.380 And then we got hooked on this.

00:14:56.640 We got hooked on these sugary foods.

00:14:58.160 I mean, I, it wasn't that long ago, I guess 20 years ago, that I actually thought a healthy snack would be one of those packs of snack-well cookies.

00:15:08.360 My God, the shame, the shame.

00:15:10.840 But I'm not alone.

00:15:14.180 This I know.

00:15:15.540 And, but one of the illuminating points of the book is that I thought that, and many others think this way,

00:15:21.500 because we've been led to believe, we've been defrauded by virtually every person in charge of every industry that touches the food that arrives in our kitchen.

00:15:34.440 Yeah.

00:15:35.520 Yeah, this is the unfortunate part that I think people really do need to understand, because people do actually listen to the science.

00:15:43.460 You know, we do listen to doctors in this country.

00:15:45.800 When the USDA food pyramid said, eat six to 11 servings of grains and cereals per day, we did it.

00:15:52.020 We got very sick, but we did it.

00:15:53.820 When the, when Fauci said, get the jab, the majority of Americans did it.

00:15:58.560 You know, we, we do listen to doctors, but unfortunately at the highest level of our medical institutions,

00:16:04.960 there are conflicts of interest and corruption that are actually making the science that we're getting not as accurate, not as clean as we'd want it to be.

00:16:13.780 So you look at some examples, NIH tax funder, taxpayer funded institution that we would ostensibly believe is its sole interest is to keep Americans healthy.

00:16:23.740 But 80% of NIH researchers are, have a conflict of interest with, with, with industry.

00:16:31.120 So are getting paid also by processed food industry, pharmaceutical industry.

00:16:35.800 There was a report that came out that 8,000 NIH funded researchers have a major conflict of interest, a conflict of interest with industry.

00:16:44.980 So we would assume that would just be clean, clean money from the NIH, from taxpayers with a singular goal of American health.

00:16:52.400 But in fact, it becomes, it ends up becoming a PR arm to do scientific research.

00:16:57.740 Um, that's mostly focused on pharmaceutical interventions and our standard conventional, uh, model of care, which is very reactive and very sick care and not focused on root causes.

00:17:07.700 Then you go to the USDA, which they jump in on that case.

00:17:10.240 Yeah.

00:17:10.380 Just to jump in on that.

00:17:11.100 So basically you're saying with the, like the FDA or the NIH, the people who are looking at our food and what's okay and what's not okay.

00:17:17.900 Suffer from the same conflict as, uh, the FDA did on in dope sick as, as evidenced by that movie where the opioid industry got going because the people who are deciding whether that could be safe and marketed as non-addictive or, you know, whatever the initial disclaimers were there on the take.

00:17:35.520 They either are getting money from these drug companies or in the case of the food industry, these, these big food manufacturers, um, or they're banking on joining those companies immediately after their government stint is over.

00:17:47.900 Right. Right. Right. I mean, you see this all the time with the revolving door between, you know, FDA commissioner and then pharmaceutical company right after they, they finished got Gottlieb FDA straight to Pfizer.

00:18:00.160 It's just back and forth, but it's, it's across every single industry. So NIH, we've got 8,000 major conflicts of interest in researchers, FDA. We've got 75% of the FDA's drug budget coming from pharma, not taxpayers, USDA.

00:18:14.540 We've got 95% of the people who made the USDA food guidelines for America, which come out every five years. So from 2000 to 2025 had major conflicts of interest with the processed food industry. You look at medical schools, you've got medical schools receiving huge multimillion dollar grants from, uh, from pharmaceutical companies.

00:18:34.900 When I was at Stanford medical school, Stanford medical school received a $3 million grant from Pfizer for curriculum reform. So we've got NIH, USDA, FDA, medical schools, all taking money.

00:18:47.300 And then you add on the professional organizations like the American Academy of Pediatrics or the American diabetes association, which work to create the guidelines that doctors practice by and that doctors actually, if they step out of line of what the clinical practice guidelines are, they're at risk for liability.

00:19:03.740 And then these professional organizations are getting a majority of their budget from industry. You've got the American Academy of Pediatrics getting money from Abbott and from me Johnson and from vaccine manufacturers. These are the organizations that write the guidelines.

00:19:17.540 So then it's no surprise that you look at the recent American Academy of Pediatrics guidelines for treatment of childhood obesity. And all of a sudden what crops up is that they're recommending as first line treatment for childhood obesity, uh, GLP one agonist injections, weekly injections for kids. Oh, Zempic.

00:19:34.880 And so you, you just look at every single layer of our government agencies, how doctors are taught and who's making the guidelines and the money is astronomical. What's going in from industry. And that's of course going to cloud the way research is done and how we even think about health in the body.

00:19:53.920 So I, as a medical student and all my peers who go into medical school to with this very noble intent to help people and to improve children's health, improve American health. We go to these elite institutions with just wanting to work our butts off. What happens? You, you, you enter a curriculum where the science is conflicted.

00:20:16.320 The science that you're seeing at its most foundational level has conflict of interest where the school has been funded by pharmaceutical industry. You know, the medical school is not getting funded by big kale or big exercise. They're being funded by big pharma and where the guidelines that you have to learn and memorize and practice by also have a conflict of interest.

00:20:36.300 So what you get is all these doctors who, you know, we start, you start medical school around age 21, 22, you're young and you know, you're, you're, you're deeply, um, deeply trusting of this system. Right. But what you see is that the body is a hundred separate parts. You see that what your path is going to be is to go through four years of medical school and then pick one of a hundred different surgical or medical subspecialties that you're going to focus on just one little part of the body.

00:21:03.960 You see that really what a disease is is a collection of, you know, uh, symptoms and signs. And you don't really think about disease until it gets to that place. And then you just need to, you know, figure out what the symptoms are, label the disease and prescribe a medication or do a surgery. You don't think about proactive health. You don't think about root cause health. You don't think about environmental factors because that's not what being taught. And then you go into your practice and you're getting pressure from everyone around you, from the administrative staff, the bureaucrats and the billers to basically

00:21:33.720 see as many patients as you possibly can because you are paid by volume, which further, uh, insidiously pushes you to, to not think about root causes, how to really reverse or prevent disease. Cause that takes a long time, right? That takes long conversations with the patient. What's easier. What's faster is to see the patient label their signs and symptoms as a disease and then give them a drug or send them for surgery. That's what's fast. And since we have this system, this incentive structure in American healthcare,

00:22:03.720 volume, how many patients, how many patients can I see per week, the outcomes is not really the thing that we're focused on. So you're taking these incredible, great, bright, young minds and putting them into a system that at every level has conflicts. That's pushing us to see the body as a collection of separate parts. That's inevitable to get disease. And that your job as a doctor is to label that disease and give it a pill or a surgery. And that, that unfortunately is where we're at.

00:22:33.660 And why doctors, um, even with the best intentions are not focused on root causes. There's no incentive to do so. And there's little education.

00:22:41.640 I think about it sometimes with respect to the very, very wealthy people. I know I'm talking billionaire wealthy. I don't know that many of them, but I know some, and they all live into their nineties. Now, how do they do that? It's because they have an individual doctor who's on staff or constantly available to them. I mean, take the most extreme case, Queen Elizabeth, right? How did she live in, you know,

00:23:03.540 to 93 and her entire life? She was probably eating clean. She had people around her monitoring things like her blood glucose, just to make sure she was where she needed to be on all these things. Full-time attention and care. I think about my old boss at Fox news, Rupert Murdoch, same thing. He's like in his mid nineties, he's had falls and things like that, but onward he trudges.

00:23:21.640 And then I've known younger people who are with the B on the money front and they've got, they travel for business and I I'll see them on a business trip and they'll have their own food that they've brought with them. And I've asked more than one of these guys, like, why are you bringing your own food? We're at this beautiful event. Like I'm sure, I'm sure they're going to feed us. No, because they know if they put themselves in the care of just some random chef in some random place, they're not going to get the right beef. One guy I knew multi multi-billionaire, one of the richest Americans we have has his own cows.

00:23:51.640 That are butchered on his own ranch. And that's the beef he travels. It's just like, there is a level of eating and wellness that the average person has no idea about, but it's, you don't actually have to be a billionaire to get it. You just have to have the information truly in this book, good energy by Dr. Casey means, and listen to the life changes you can bring on for yourself.

00:24:15.300 You know, Megan, it's true. I also, I see this as well in a community of people who are, who have awoken to this idea that the reasons we're sick in America, the reasons that life expectancy right now is going down in America.

00:24:33.740 And a child born today is on track to live 600 days less than someone who is age 40 right now. Like this is astronomical. We spend almost two X more than any other high income country in the world on healthcare.

00:24:50.740 We also spend 23% of the largest GDP in the world on quote unquote healthcare. And we're not even able to keep life expectancy stable. It's going down in our country.

00:25:02.920 If, if, if that doesn't kind of rip you out of your slumber, I don't know what will. And, and, and so it's not for a lack of medication, right? We're, we're prescribing medications just more and more. The more statins we prescribe, the more heart disease we're getting, the more ozempic we're prescribing, the more obesity rates are going up. The more SSRIs we're prescribing, the more people have depression, you know, the, the it's, it's not correlating with the amount of drugs.

00:25:30.860 So there's something else going on. That's insidious. That's environmental. And like you say, people who are aware of what's going on are doing essentially everything they can to protect their bodies from the normal inputs that you are going to be exposed to. If you're just living in America day today, all of these invisible threats around us annoyed listening to this, because I know you guys are tight with RFKJ and I know Callie, this is an interesting piece of your story.

00:25:58.200 Callie's your brother. And I've been following him for years on Twitter and watching him and listening to his expertise as well. But I know he's connected with RFKJ and helped him come up with Maha and that, you know, you guys have been doing some input there. But here's what's so infuriating. RFKJ has been raising some of these issues for a long time. He's an environmental lawyer. He's an environmental lawyer at heart. That's how he actually made his living.

00:26:20.540 And Casey, no sooner did he pop up and say, like, I don't know about these vaccines. Forget COVID vaccine long before that. Like, we're pumping these babies through a lot with a lot of shots at a very early age and they don't really need this stuff.

00:26:34.140 And then his warnings went well beyond vaccines. He came on this show a couple of years ago and said, you know, why, where do all the ticks come from? Why is autism shooting up? Like all these things. And nobody would platform him at all.

00:26:48.120 They decided he was part of the so-called disinformation dozen. That was the Biden White House. He was totally silenced on raising the alarm on a lot of these same issues because there really are. And you sound like a conspiracy theorist when you're like the powerful forces are silencing him.

00:27:06.260 No, they actually were. Because they really do have financial skin in keeping him and probably you and Callie quiet.

00:27:17.060 Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it really, this all comes back to money, unfortunately. And when you realize that around 60% of mainstream media's advertising funding is coming from the pharmaceutical industry.

00:27:31.360 I mean, you can't watch five minutes of commercial on TV without seeing a medication commercial. And you realize that the funny thing is that these companies that are paying that much to have the ad spots on mainstream media, they're not actually really trying to advertise to you, the consumer.

00:27:50.640 They're trying to get a direct line of communication to the media companies so that they can have an impact on the message that goes out that makes our news.

00:27:59.800 That's a key point is that it's not about getting you to talk to your doctor about Ozempic. It's about having a direct line of communication to the to the media network so they can have more control over what is said and who is platformed.

00:28:12.080 And this is why the emergence of independent media is one of the most disruptive and exactly what you're doing, right?

00:28:19.000 It's the most disruptive and powerful force right now in the world, because what you see is that when you look at independent media that are getting hundreds of millions of downloads per month, what are they talking about?

00:28:34.900 Root cause health, the dietary and lifestyle factors like getting sunshine and taking supplements and eating real food and regenerative agriculture.

00:28:44.500 This is what's being talked about on independent media when we're not in a chokehold from the advertisers to talk about a specific dogmatic narrative about that pharmaceuticals are the only way to be healthy.

00:28:55.780 And so I think that's very, very heartening. And, you know, I think we're in a really interesting moment right now where post covid, which was just the the probably the worst public policy disaster in in human history, where covid was really fundamentally a metabolic disease.

00:29:15.260 People we died at much higher rates than other countries that had better metabolic health.

00:29:19.440 This virus went after people who were immunocompromised because of metabolic disease is why people with comorbidities were dying of covid and people who were otherwise healthy really weren't and children were dying at much lower rates.

00:29:33.200 And people saw that despite knowing that from month to month three of the pandemic, that this was a virus that went after people who were compromised from lifestyle related and food related diseases, metabolic disease,

00:29:43.780 that zero airtime and zero information coming from our federal agencies in charge for health had anything to do with improving our metabolic health.

00:29:52.040 I think it created a crack where people realize that there's a bigger problem here.

00:29:56.300 So just to get back to what you were saying about RFK, you know, I think there's a moment right now where there's been some distrust that has been bred in the agencies and the health care system.

00:30:06.560 Also, costs are going up for everything with inflation.

00:30:09.480 And right now, our health care costs, our premiums in the United States are astronomical.

00:30:13.960 The number one cause of bankruptcy in the United States is medical costs.

00:30:17.240 So people are feeling it in a new, different and poignant way.

00:30:20.700 And I think we're also seeing this inflection point with how health even got worse after covid to the lockdowns and other factors.

00:30:28.400 Kids are really suffering.

00:30:29.980 We've got 34 percent of kids with a behavioral, mental or emotional disorder.

00:30:33.160 We've got one in 36 kids in the United States with autism, one in 22 in California.

00:30:37.140 We've got ADHD skyrocketing.

00:30:38.980 We've got young adult cancer skyrocketing.

00:30:40.720 We've got prediabetes and teens reaching 30 percent.

00:30:43.800 We've got 52 percent of children overweight or obese.

00:30:48.220 So there's a confluence of factors, I think, that are happening that are making this the moment where this is finally making it to the mainstream, which is which is really, really exciting.

00:30:58.160 But this is why the concept of freedom of speech and what Elon's talking about and what RFK is talking about and the this idea of all the gaslighting that's happening around misinformation from the social media companies, X excluded and and mainstream media.

00:31:18.800 This is why that issue is actually so important and why that issue needs to be thought about in lockstep with the health care crisis, because if we start silencing the people who are able to use the disruption of independent media to get these messages out, that's when we're screwed.

00:31:37.740 People say, are you hopeful?

00:31:38.940 And I say, I am hopeful because this is able to be talked about in our beautiful country where we can have discourse.

00:31:45.140 But if that gets threatened, then I think it becomes a much scarier place.

00:31:51.500 To me, it's not totally dissimilar from just to bring it to the current news cycle.

00:31:55.580 What's happened in the past few days after the debate?

00:31:58.020 It was placed in the hands of the mainstream media.

00:32:00.620 We had fake news fact checks on statements that were absolutely true by Donald Trump.

00:32:05.900 Well, Kamala Harris was allowed to get away with lie after lie with no fact checks, no interruptions, no follow ups. 1.00

00:32:11.200 And the Internet melted down after watching it because we knew in our guts it was wrong.

00:32:15.560 It was unfair.

00:32:16.320 We knew.

00:32:17.580 And so we've had three days now of fact checkers all over the Internet.

00:32:21.620 Citizen journalists, you know, independent journalists firing off tweet after tweet on X, you know, showing the video of Kamala Harris's positions, which she denied.

00:32:31.760 Showing the FBI stats on crime are false that were cited by David Muir, things like that.

00:32:38.940 And so this independent voice, this collective of the voices to make one strong counterbalance voice is correcting the record and changing the national conversation and the national knowledge and maybe even the national vote.

00:32:52.200 And the same thing is now happening in health care, which is far more important.

00:32:57.100 This is about whether we live or die.

00:32:58.460 This is about whether our children live or die for how long and how well.

00:33:02.160 And you you really are at the pointy head of the spear on this issue.

00:33:07.900 And thank God now your message is getting out.

00:33:09.980 And I know Tucker talked to you about this.

00:33:11.380 And you mentioned at the top of like your credentials could not be any more stellar that Casey, our audience already knows this.

00:33:18.160 But I mean, to say she's not fringy is just an insult.

00:33:21.400 Even say that anybody might consider that about you.

00:33:23.640 You were at the top of every single medical thing you ever touched until you grew really disillusioned with the system and walked away voluntarily.

00:33:30.760 Stanford, top of your class, top resident on your way.

00:33:35.740 What?

00:33:36.200 You were a fifth year of residency.

00:33:37.420 They begged you not to leave.

00:33:38.820 You didn't want to go.

00:33:39.460 You had done everything right, everything right.

00:33:41.740 And then you realized you'd been sold a bag of goods.

00:33:44.960 Yeah.

00:33:46.240 Well, thank you.

00:33:47.140 And I think, you know, it doesn't take a rocket science scientist to see what's going on here.

00:33:51.960 It really doesn't.

00:33:52.960 And I appreciate that.

00:33:54.500 But I mean, it's it's really just about looking at the completely unemotional facts and stepping back for one second to ask why.

00:34:06.460 I think that's what Americans are doing right now.

00:34:08.280 And, you know, just to list just to list a little bit about what I'm talking about here.

00:34:13.700 You know, is that I you know, we obviously talked about this on Tucker, but I think it's worth just zeroing in on what I mean by American health getting destroyed because then it becomes more like why isn't every doctor stopping and truly like pausing their practice to get together to figure this out.

00:34:31.100 We've got 74 for we have 74 percent of American adults with overweight or obesity, 74 percent, three quarters of Americans have overweight or obesity.

00:34:41.020 We've got 40 percent of children with obesity or overweight.

00:34:46.440 We've got 52 percent of American adults with prediabetes or type two diabetes.

00:34:50.980 This should be close to zero.

00:34:52.480 It's 52 percent with an overt metabolic disorder.

00:34:56.360 Thirty percent of teens now have prediabetes.

00:34:58.640 You know, 50 years ago, a pediatrician might have gone their entire career without seeing a single case of prediabetes in a teen.

00:35:07.420 Now it's 30 percent.

00:35:08.660 We've got, again, one in 22 kids in California with autism.

00:35:13.000 This is astronomically higher than it was 20, 30 years ago when it was one in one 50 and then one in fifteen hundred farther back.

00:35:20.420 We have, again, 34 percent of young adults with a mental health or emotional health issue.

00:35:25.800 Young adult cancers are up seventy nine percent.

00:35:30.000 We are on track to have two million new cases of cancer in the United States this year.

00:35:34.620 Highest, highest absolute number ever recorded in human history.

00:35:40.080 Autoimmune diseases are skyrocketing, especially in women of middle age, by some reports going up three to 12 percent per year.

00:35:47.900 Infertility is going up one percent per year.

00:35:51.240 Sperm counts are going down one percent per year at a sustained rate since the 1970s.

00:35:56.500 Seventy seven percent of American young adults are not fit to serve in the military because of these chronic health issues.

00:36:05.420 We've got 18 percent of teens with fatty liver disease.

00:36:07.880 Again, pediatricians would have never seen this 50 years ago.

00:36:11.280 And as I mentioned, life expectancy is actually going down in the wealthiest country in the world.

00:36:17.120 So. Ignore credentials, ignore Stanford, ignore all of it.

00:36:21.480 Look at those facts, all of which are referenced on my website for all the people who want to know.

00:36:30.340 Our health is getting destroyed and at the best institutions in America, the hospitals, the medical schools, we're not talking about why we're talking about how to medicate these conditions.

00:36:42.280 We're talking about how to operate more on these conditions.

00:36:44.840 We're talking about how to increase access to the health care system that is not improving these.

00:36:49.580 We've got to be talking about these.

00:36:50.720 The fact that this was not a topic on the debate stage is an abomination of our media.

00:36:57.180 Why is this not the first order thing being talked about that we are that children have close to 50 percent of children in America have a chronic disease?

00:37:08.460 What is going on? We should be outraged.

00:37:12.200 We are spending more on this problem in a way that is not fixing the problem than almost any other line item in the American budget.

00:37:22.160 Taxpayers are paying for it and it's not being talked about.

00:37:26.240 So everyone really needs to realize that this is this is not a fringe issue.

00:37:31.660 It is not something that, you know, it's just an accident that we're ignoring.

00:37:35.200 We are actively ignoring this at every level of our government agencies and media and that that needs to stop immediately.

00:37:44.840 OK, so the first thing we're going to take up, I'll take a quick break, but we're going to talk about three of the demons, sugar, ultra processed foods and foods that you think are healthy, but which are covered in pesticides.

00:37:58.840 You get your big leafy lettuce salad and you dive right in without worrying about whether it's organic or not.

00:38:04.580 And you may be doing far more harm than good.

00:38:07.840 We're going to pick it up with a specific food discussion and then we'll move on to some of the other toxins that are around us and ways to clean our bodies and our lives right after this.

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00:39:13.680 Okay, so Casey, I did the tease before the break.

00:39:21.320 That's a very short form summary of what you're recommending on the health front.

00:39:25.180 But put in your own words in terms of the massive overhauls to eating that are required.

00:39:30.460 At the highest level, we need to move away from ultra processed foods and start eating real foods.

00:39:35.340 It's unprocessed foods that are grown in good soil, ideally local and not covered in the toxic invisible pesticides that are literally covering 99% of the foods we're eating in the United States.

00:39:49.000 So it's a move away from this factory made food back to natural food.

00:39:52.740 That's number one.

00:39:53.660 I mean, when we get more specific in there, we want to be eating foods that actually support our cellular and our metabolic health so that allow ourselves to have the molecules they need to function properly.

00:40:04.220 Because right now, all the chronic diseases that I talked about, they are all rooted in the exact same thing, which is dysfunctional cellular biology, largely rooted in this issue of metabolic dysfunction that can be very much improved by giving cells the nutrients they need from food to function properly.

00:40:21.040 So in the book, I talk about really five things that we should try to look for in food and include in almost every meal.

00:40:31.820 And I call them the five elements of good energy eating.

00:40:34.660 And this is making sure that in most of our meals, we have a fiber source.

00:40:38.000 We have an omega-3 source.

00:40:40.000 We have a probiotic source, a really healthy protein source, and some source of really good antioxidants and micronutrients.

00:40:47.520 So what this does is it boils.

00:40:50.840 There are a lot of components of food that we want to get.

00:40:52.620 But if you are focusing on getting those five things in most meals and knowing a few foods in each of those categories that you like and stocking your kitchen with them, you can put together a meal that is going to have a really good chance of supporting your cellular biology.

00:41:06.540 So for me, what I do is I just have my mental checklist of foods that are rich in fiber that I can keep in my house.

00:41:13.960 So this would be like black beans and chickpeas and legumes and hemp seeds.

00:41:19.540 If I'm thinking about omega-3s, I'm going to always have some wild-caught salmon in my fridge, maybe some canned sardines, canned mackerel, things like that.

00:41:31.140 For healthy protein, I've got a freezer full of game meats and grass-fed meats that I can just defrost and easily make a meal with.

00:41:39.060 And then for probiotics, I've got my sauerkraut and my kimchi and my beet kvass and my Greek yogurt and things like that.

00:41:45.460 So if you just have a mental checklist of a few things from each category that you enjoy, eating for health becomes as simple as kind of piecing together a meal that has these components.

00:41:57.980 So that's just sort of really high level.

00:42:00.580 When we think about grocery store shopping, you know, I'm not going to say that every packaged food in the grocery store is a problem because everything exists on a continuum of processing.

00:42:10.560 You know, one of my favorite foods is like flax crackers, flackers, something like that.

00:42:14.360 And that's just literally organic flax seeds, apple cider vinegar, and spices.

00:42:18.420 It comes in a bag.

00:42:19.680 It was made in a factory, but it's really a simple, whole organic food in that bag.

00:42:24.880 Compare that to something like a Twinkie or a Pop-Tart where there is a list of 40 ingredients, things that, you know, you've never heard of before.

00:42:35.820 I mean, you see on these packaged foods things like polysorbate 80 and maltodextrin and red 40.

00:42:41.800 We don't know where those things come from.

00:42:43.100 We can't visualize them.

00:42:44.240 Those are things that we should avoid.

00:42:45.620 So just really being clear about, you know, what is going into my body.

00:42:49.660 And I think at the highest level, this just comes down to backing up and building a new relationship with food and really not just really understanding it for what it actually is,

00:43:02.700 which is this miraculous substance that comes from the ground, by the ground interacting with sunlight through plants and through photosynthesis,

00:43:13.480 and that we get to take into our body to really determine our mental health, our physical health, our longevity, our mood, our thoughts.

00:43:23.280 I mean, food is making really everything.

00:43:25.060 And so we should both be, I think, in awe of what food can do for us.

00:43:29.940 We should really respect that it is just this incredible process that happens on Earth as really a gift for us to be able to use to reach our highest purpose.

00:43:40.820 And we should invest a lot more time and money in our lives and our families in prioritizing the highest quality food we can because high quality food will lead to a high quality life.

00:43:51.320 And Americans spend a fraction of a percentage of their total income on food as compared to European families who are much healthier than us.

00:43:58.980 And so it's just I think a lot of it, a mindset shift towards remembering what food is and that there's an alchemy reaction between ourselves and food that really determines our health outcomes.

00:44:09.580 And having more respect for the whole process and having more respect for our bodies, you know, realizing that our bodies are truly miracles.

00:44:19.120 Each of our lives is a miracle.

00:44:20.840 And one of the ways that we can honor this incredible experience of being able to have this life and be here in this on this beautiful planet for, you know, no discernible reason.

00:44:31.640 Like, it's just such a such a gift and a joy that we get to be here.

00:44:34.320 One of the ways we can honor that miracle and this opportunity of life is to eat, you know, unpoisoned, unprocessed, fresh food from farmers that we know.

00:44:45.960 And so I just tell people, like, if there's an opportunity to get your family out to the farmer's market once a week, talk to farmers, look people in the eye who are growing the food because that food is going to become your body.

00:44:55.880 It's going to become your thoughts.

00:44:57.060 It's going to become who you are that food is going to become your body.

00:45:01.460 Oh, my gosh.

00:45:02.180 That's so well put that that brings it home.

00:45:04.400 Keep going.

00:45:05.120 Yeah.

00:45:05.400 No.

00:45:05.720 Yeah.

00:45:05.880 I mean, I think it's just it's we need to just wake up from the slumber that has been indoctrinated to us that that that, you know, these these foods that are so devoid of life.

00:45:16.720 You know, you think about there's some really interesting actually studies on this where if you take food straight out of your garden or food that was picked by a farmer that day and so it's farm fresh and you eat it, it's filled with things like vitamin C and antioxidants and polyphenols and all these things that are going to support our health.

00:45:34.880 But the average piece of food travels 1500 miles now from the soil to our plate.

00:45:39.440 And every day that food is out of the soil, it is one more day that it has been dead.

00:45:47.100 And as something is more dead, so more disconnected from the life source, which is the soil and the water and the sunlight that kept it alive, there's going to be a degradation of nutrients.

00:45:58.520 So food.

00:45:59.160 It's like your Christmas tree.

00:46:00.100 Think about what happens to your Christmas tree over the 10 days standing there dying.

00:46:04.280 So we are eating not only in the grocery store, food that's in the grocery store may have been out of the soil for two, three, four weeks.

00:46:12.580 It's traveled in a refrigerated van, you know, or a truck hundreds, if not thousands of miles or flown from Chile or Mexico to your plate, just dying, losing nutrients.

00:46:23.480 How do we expect to be vital and to have longevity?

00:46:27.700 If the food we are eating is more dead than it has ever been in history, then you take that fresh food.

00:46:34.280 And you put it in a factory and you process it and you strip it of all of its helpful nutrients.

00:46:40.360 And then you put chemical preservatives in it to make it essentially be shelf stable.

00:46:45.240 What do we think that's going to do to our biology when we are eating something that is so devoid of life?

00:46:51.580 So these types of reframes I mentioned, just because we are so disconnected from nature.

00:46:57.300 150 years ago, 97% of Americans grew some of their own food.

00:47:02.500 Now it's less than 3%.

00:47:03.940 So we are just so disconnected from this miracle.

00:47:06.740 And I think part of the reckoning and the awakening to reverse the chronic disease epidemic and also get back on top of, I think, this darkness that a lot of us feel in culture and society today.

00:47:17.680 This just sense of emptiness and darkness that's kind of taking over.

00:47:21.200 I think part of it is going to actually just be getting closer in touch with our food and with the soil and with this beautiful, miraculous dance that happens between the environment and our bodies every day to create the lives that we want and investing more in that.

00:47:34.560 We're, we'll take a break in two minutes.

00:47:37.500 So this is, I'm going to start a discussion that we won't possibly finish before the break, but this is where organic comes in, right?

00:47:45.000 Because I had friends 15 years ago and they actually ghost wrote a book on what an organic foods.

00:47:54.240 And their conclusion was the only thing that you really need to make sure is organic when you do your grocery shopping is strawberries.

00:48:00.940 Other than that, it's not really worth it.

00:48:02.760 This is not good information and you're sounding a very different alarm.

00:48:07.960 So is the, would you say that if it's a fruit or a vegetable, you know, if it comes out of the earth, either from, you know, the actual earth or from a tree, et cetera, it has to be organic.

00:48:18.160 The organ, I know we have to go to break, but I think my short answer would be, it is absolutely beneficial for it to be organic.

00:48:25.520 And we need to be implementing the precautionary principle when we think about organic or non-organic food.

00:48:31.860 Which is that even though the data may be muddied in large part because the industries that make these pesticides like Bayer Monsanto have a huge interest in making us confused about whether they're safe.

00:48:45.540 We know that a lot of these pesticides are linked to cancer, autoimmune disease, behavioral issues, endocrine disruption and hormone disruption.

00:48:55.180 And so for me, thinking about the fact that 6 billion pounds of synthetic pesticides are sprayed in our food system every year and chronic disease rates are skyrocketing and there's mechanistic evidence of why.

00:49:09.580 I certainly feel that it is important to choose foods that don't have that, that, that, that, that, those toxic substances on them.

00:49:19.080 Yeah. And then when you get those foods home, those organic foods, do you have some special washing technique for them?

00:49:26.580 You know, I personally, I just do a quick rinse of my food, but that's because I'm actually now buying food from all farmers that I know.

00:49:37.580 So when I go to the farmer's market, you know, I am getting it from the Apricot Lane farm stand.

00:49:44.500 I have been to Apricot Lane farms.

00:49:46.260 I know Molly Chester who runs that farm. 1.00

00:49:49.360 I get my meat from White Oak Pastures.

00:49:51.040 I know Will Harris who owns White Oak Pastures in Bluffton, Georgia.

00:49:55.040 I get my meat from Primal Pastures.

00:49:57.020 See, this is so easier if you, yeah.

00:49:58.020 Oh, wait, no.

00:49:58.760 So he's in Georgia because you're in Oregon, aren't you?

00:50:01.100 I'm in California, but you can get these things shipped now.

00:50:05.160 And, um, you know, that's a good tease.

00:50:07.320 I'm going to take my break.

00:50:08.320 We're picking it up right there.

00:50:09.420 This is, we're getting down to brass tacks.

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00:52:25.320 Casey, we were talking about what specifically, like how do you get your beef?

00:52:28.940 Because I will tell you, like a frustration of mine here in Connecticut, you would think

00:52:32.080 in Connecticut, there'd be farms everywhere.

00:52:34.500 There really aren't.

00:52:35.340 It's very hard to find a farmer's market or actually glad hand with an actual farmer.

00:52:41.020 So you're limited to the whole foods, but the whole foods is really not that great.

00:52:46.140 It's not exactly whole.

00:52:47.880 So you were giving us some options for people like me who don't have a farmer down the road.

00:52:56.020 Yeah.

00:52:56.300 So I think when it comes to meat, there are some great frozen options today.

00:53:00.120 Freezing is actually a great way to preserve nutrients in both fresh produce and also in

00:53:06.160 meats.

00:53:07.160 If foods are frozen right at the time of harvesting or slaughter, they retain more nutrients than

00:53:14.560 if they are just left at ambient temperature.

00:53:17.160 So now there's a lot of great services that you can order regenerative, grass-fed, organic

00:53:22.240 meat from around the country and have it shipped to you.

00:53:24.760 Force of Nature is a great brand that is in Whole Foods.

00:53:27.500 And like I mentioned, ordering from a regenerative farm like White Oak Pastures and many others,

00:53:35.720 it's a great option today now that we're able to ship.

00:53:39.800 And then I would say for people who are trying to find organic produce, if you don't have anything

00:53:46.080 fresh near you, that's where I think getting a lot of frozen produce like from Costco or

00:53:51.080 places like that, or even Walmart has quite a bit of organic selection today.

00:53:55.540 Those are good options.

00:53:56.680 Farmer's market is ideal because if you're speaking to the farmer and you know that food

00:54:01.100 was harvested recently, it's likely going to have the highest nutrient composition because

00:54:06.020 it's traveled less.

00:54:07.640 And so that's ideal if you can.

00:54:09.520 And, you know, really just making it a family event.

00:54:11.520 You know, this should be something we do with our families.

00:54:13.360 We should get kids talking to farmers interested in food early.

00:54:17.100 And so, you know, Googling, trying to find a farmer's market near you and then walking around

00:54:20.940 and just speaking to the people growing your food and learn how it's done.

00:54:23.520 I mean, this is, this is really something we need to get back in touch with.

00:54:26.900 Yeah.

00:54:27.840 Um, fortunately I live in Southern California, so we have some great produce year round,

00:54:32.520 but yeah.

00:54:34.000 Yeah.

00:54:34.460 So, um, well, there's a few options.

00:54:36.780 I mean, certainly again, frozen food, um, you know, buying some of the dry staples in,

00:54:42.400 in bulk, like something like beans and legumes and, and, you know, nuts and seeds and those

00:54:47.020 things, um, are less perishable.

00:54:49.540 Um, there's, and, and then I think, you know, frozen companies, there's like daily harvest,

00:54:55.380 which can get you organic frozen food direct to your home.

00:54:58.780 Um, and then I would also say there's actually some really unique options you can do, like

00:55:02.300 growing your own food indoors.

00:55:03.940 I have a product called a lettuce grow in my house, which is a vertical indoor farming system.

00:55:09.020 Yeah.

00:55:09.420 And, and we're growing food all the time in our kitchen.

00:55:12.060 Um, there's how, how, how much room does this take?

00:55:15.120 I want, tell me everything.

00:55:15.940 I did once interview Elon Musk's brother who is doing this kind of, he's big into indoor

00:55:20.740 farming.

00:55:21.140 So I've, I know a little bit, but keep going to explain this.

00:55:24.200 Yeah.

00:55:24.700 You know, I mean, compared to like regenerative agriculture in the soil, it's, it's, it's

00:55:29.640 different, you know, because you're, you're not growing it in like the ground you're going

00:55:32.960 in a vertical farming towel, so tower.

00:55:35.000 So mine has 36 slots and you stick a little sprout in each slot.

00:55:40.340 And over the course of one to two months, you get a gigantic head of lettuce, a gigantic

00:55:44.360 head of, um, cauliflower, broccoli, tomatoes, herbs.

00:55:49.320 And so you can actually grow these indoor year round.

00:55:51.820 So when I lived in Bend, Oregon, and it was snowy for four or five months a year, I was

00:55:55.880 actually growing all sorts of produce in my kitchen and in my office.

00:55:59.680 And it basically cycles water through a tower, um, and can grow it with very, very little

00:56:04.840 energy.

00:56:05.240 So unfortunately the price point of these are still a little bit high, but you know,

00:56:09.140 I think it's, it's amazing how much it gets you back in touch with the miracle of how food

00:56:14.040 is grown.

00:56:14.700 And, and it's kind of like a, a gateway growing a little bit of your own food, even if it's

00:56:18.660 herbs is almost like a gateway drug to getting to be more, um, inspired by sourcing a food.

00:56:25.720 100%.

00:56:26.080 I mean, I know that even from my own lame little garden at the beach where we just did the typical

00:56:30.880 cucumbers and tomatoes, but suddenly it was like, Oh wow.

00:56:34.560 Our own food.

00:56:35.620 It had no pesticides on it.

00:56:37.000 It was grown right outside of our home.

00:56:38.860 It tasted delicious.

00:56:40.120 And we did notice the difference, the pesticides, you know, I, you know, Dr. Mark Sisson, not,

00:56:44.700 he's not a doctor.

00:56:45.580 Mark Sisson.

00:56:46.480 He's behind, um, Primal Kitchen brand, which is amazing.

00:56:48.940 And I know you must love, um, he, he said on the show, he's very leery now of fruits and

00:56:56.620 vegetables.

00:56:57.000 He, it just, he's very worried about the, the number of pesticides on your average fruit

00:57:02.340 and vegetable.

00:57:02.860 And he's, he's very, I don't know if he's full paleo on, uh, you know, all the meats and so

00:57:07.300 on, but he was leaning that direction more and more.

00:57:10.220 What are your thoughts on that?

00:57:11.460 Cause I, you do have some interesting conclusions on diet and like the various diets that are

00:57:15.860 out there and so on.

00:57:17.260 Yeah.

00:57:17.840 You know, I think that we do need to have a bigger conversation about pesticides in this

00:57:23.600 country because it's, it's, it's just so unchecked.

00:57:26.420 Uh, when we think about the companies that are making pesticides in the U S we are buying

00:57:31.880 a lot of these chemicals straight from China and straight from Germany and two American

00:57:37.020 companies, one of the largest merger, uh, ever in Germany was the merger of Bayer Monsanto.

00:57:42.020 So a pharmaceutical company and agrochemical company, um, that are now teaming up and what's

00:57:46.820 so devastatingly, I don't even want to use that word ironic cause it trivialize trivializes

00:57:51.820 how serious this is, but you know, Bayer Monsanto, Bayer makes pharmaceuticals to treat non-Hodg's

00:57:58.820 lymphoma and glyphosate, which is made, uh, by Monsanto, um, has strong links and mechanistic

00:58:06.720 links to the development of non-Hodg's lymphoma.

00:58:09.020 So you think about how dark that is, that it's almost like a revolving door between a 0.98

00:58:12.120 merger of a company that creates a product that's virtually unregulated in our country,

00:58:16.600 uh, that leads to cancer and then has merged with a company that creates a treatment for that

00:58:20.440 cancer. So that's the type of darkness that we're seeing in the pesticide industry. And,

00:58:23.840 you know, chem China that makes a huge amount of pesticides we buy, we're just funneling 0.90

00:58:28.160 billions of dollars towards China to basically sell us chemicals that are invisibly poisoning

00:58:32.360 our food. And these pesticides, if you look at the scientific links to diseases, we know

00:58:38.340 that pesticides are linked to ADHD, to thyroid disease, to sperm dysfunction, female infertility,

00:58:43.320 male infertility, cancer, autism, liver disease, the list goes on, on, and on, and that they

00:58:48.180 actually poison the part of our cell that does mitochondrial or metabolic activity, which is

00:58:52.180 the mitochondria. People remember from high school biology, the mitochondria is the powerhouse of

00:58:55.920 the cell. It's the key part of the cell that's involved in metabolic health. And it is damaged

00:59:00.420 by pesticides of which, uh, 99% of American foods, um, are grown non-organically. So we're using these

00:59:06.600 synthetic pesticides, which have a link wildly to Nazi Germany who was developing organophosphate

00:59:14.780 pesticides as part of their war effort to increase yields, to feed German soldiers. And so it's just

00:59:20.600 a very, very dark link. There's been a lot of corruption in that data. The Monsanto papers was this

00:59:25.960 scandal that came out years ago about Monsanto essentially, um, you know, working to silence the,

00:59:33.240 the data and massage the data that said that pesticides are safe. Um, and then you look at how this sort

00:59:39.080 of, you know, how this is happening on the systemic level. Well, we have a farm bill that's renewed every

00:59:45.380 five years. And if this is a 500 billion plus dollar bill that, um, is used to help support

00:59:53.360 farmers with crop insurance and, um, subsidies for commodity crop growth. But unfortunately what

00:59:58.860 this $500 billion bill does is it funds the commodity crops that are turned to ultra processed

01:00:06.160 foods. So corn, wheat, soy, sugar beets, things like that, which then become the cheapest possible

01:00:12.480 commodities on the market because taxpayers have funded the subsidies, which then gives a cheap,

01:00:20.080 basically raw material to all the ultra processed food companies to then turn into these ultra processed

01:00:27.320 garbage foods that are built on the backbone of commodity crops. Then they add in toxic colorings and natural 0.53

01:00:33.940 flavors and dough conditioners and preservatives to make it taste like food, but really it's built

01:00:40.660 on this bland taxpayer funded pesticide covered commodity crop through our farm bill. So at the

01:00:46.080 policy level, this is how it gets on our plates. And this is why the unhealthy food is cheaper because

01:00:51.180 taxpayers are paying for it to be subsidized to be cheaper. And then taxpayers are paying for the

01:00:56.700 environmental externalities from this destructive type of agriculture and for the healthcare costs of

01:01:01.680 Americans who are getting sick because of this food. So we're paying, we're paying four times over

01:01:05.860 for the unhealthy food that is making us sick. And the, the devastating part, you know, cause it's,

01:01:11.340 it's not necessarily, you know, the farmers who are responsible for our health. It's, it's the doctors

01:01:15.860 who are there to help us on our health. But this is the part that's devastating is that there's a devil's

01:01:20.140 bargain that exists right now between ultra processed food, who wants to make food as cheap and

01:01:24.340 addictive as possible. So we'll buy more and the healthcare industry that benefits off of financially

01:01:29.880 benefits off more patients being sick with chronic illnesses and needing treatment over longer

01:01:34.260 periods of time. You would think that doctors would be in the front of the line to be studying

01:01:38.840 what pesticides and plastics and microplastics and artificial colorings and preservatives in our food

01:01:44.560 are doing to our chronic illness. But have you ever heard, you know, so someone in the Fauci realm

01:01:49.720 getting up and talking about these things on a microphone saying, we have to investigate our food

01:01:53.400 supply. No, it's someone like RFKJ, who's then being silenced for talking about these things and,

01:01:58.400 you know, being called a fringe lunatic for bringing these things up. And so there's something

01:02:03.940 very dark and backwards around the incentives between these two of the largest industries in

01:02:08.340 the country that unfortunately, and this is an unemotional statement of fact, benefit from more

01:02:13.760 Americans being addicted to taxpayer subsidized ultra processed foods filled with toxic additives and a

01:02:19.660 healthcare industry that benefits from more patients having chronic disease over a longer period of

01:02:22.860 time. I, that brings me to seed oils, which I really want to discuss. But before I get there,

01:02:27.820 I want to just say the conclusion that I reached from reading the book on the number of diets,

01:02:31.720 the kinds of diets, whether it's keto or paleo or Mediterranean. And what I think you correct me

01:02:37.820 if I'm wrong about your conclusion. So I've been reading a lot of you, so I may have confused it,

01:02:41.120 but I think you reached basically the same conclusion that Peter Atiyah reached and that he espoused on our

01:02:46.860 show, which was, he said, he's come to the conclusion that it doesn't really matter which one of those

01:02:52.180 you choose that you shouldn't be too rigid. But what does matter is the things you're talking about

01:02:56.620 eating real whole foods, no sugar, no added sugar. Uh, we're not talking about the sugar that

01:03:02.340 naturally occurs in like a raspberry, but like the added sugar, avoiding seed oils, trying to

01:03:07.480 at least limit, ideally eliminate alcohol, those kinds of things. But do you have the same conclusion

01:03:13.260 just on, you know, eat kind of the general plan you want, but make sure you follow these guidelines.

01:03:17.980 Yeah. We have to realize that the diet wars are a charade diet controversy is intended to confuse us

01:03:26.680 so that as consumers, we're spinning our wheels and not sure what to eat and grasping for different

01:03:31.680 solutions sold to us by marketers and the food industry. We are being distracted from what matters,

01:03:39.360 which is that the vast majority of American calories and the foods that are being

01:03:43.220 gavage down kids' throats is pesticide covered, plastic filled, chemical laden science experiment 0.84

01:03:52.040 food from a factory that is destroying our cellular health. So step one, two, three, four, five is to get

01:03:58.400 off ultra processed foods before even talking about a dietary philosophy. So that's number one.

01:04:06.500 The second piece, and you know, and you know, just look at the world. There are so many different

01:04:10.860 traditional types of diets all over the world with different macronutrient compositions and

01:04:15.100 different types of foods that people are eating. And we are designed as humans to have all these

01:04:22.600 redundant pathways in our body that can use different types of foods to generate cellular

01:04:26.340 health. But the common denominator between a carnivore diet that leads someone to improve their metabolic

01:04:32.260 health and a vegan diet that leads someone to improve their metabolic health is real, unprocessed,

01:04:37.600 clean food. So there's more commonalities than differences. So I just want to be very clear.

01:04:42.300 The diet wars are a distraction from what matters, which is eating high quality nutrient filled,

01:04:49.520 non-chemically laden food. So we just, that, that, so that, that is the key point is that we,

01:04:56.220 many industries benefit off of our mass confusion about diet. And, you know, there's another piece of

01:05:02.280 the puzzle here, which I think is actually a really beautiful aspect of the world that we're living in

01:05:06.920 right now. And the technological advancements that have happened in science was that we have access

01:05:11.820 to a lot of testing and, you know, biomarker lab work, things like that, that can actually tell us

01:05:18.700 each, if our diet is working for us. So right now, over 50% of Americans, when you survey them,

01:05:24.080 they're completely confused about nutrition. They don't know what to eat and they feel paralyzed by

01:05:27.540 all the choices and the different diet wars. But what people don't understand is that when we

01:05:33.740 understand the basics of our foundational lab work, simple tests that any doctor can order,

01:05:38.480 and we take some ownership and start really being the CEO of our health and not just fully outsourcing

01:05:43.360 our health data to daddy doctor, you know, when we start taking some more ownership over that,

01:05:49.460 which the healthcare system has indoctrinated patients to believe that they are not smart

01:05:53.940 enough to understand their lab work, which is incorrect. I think every fifth grader in America

01:05:57.940 can understand their basic lab work and the physiology behind it. And that's why I laid out in my book,

01:06:02.140 things like triglyceride levels, HGL cholesterol, fasting glucose levels. What does a blood pressure

01:06:07.020 mean? You know, these, these basic lab work, if we track those over time and we understand the basics

01:06:13.220 about them, we can see whether the diet we're eating is generating metabolic health and is generating the

01:06:20.620 conditions in our body that will help us avoid chronic disease. So the two key points here are eat

01:06:26.880 unprocessed real food as local as possible to, you know, ideally connect with farmers. If you can

01:06:32.920 and check your biomarkers every two to three times a year, the basics, you don't need to do any fancy

01:06:37.380 expenses stuff, stuff that's covered by insurance and track whether it's working for you right now.

01:06:41.980 When we look at basic metabolic lab work, 93% of American adults are not, are not getting a good

01:06:50.140 mark for the basic five metabolic biomarkers, which is glucose, triglycerides, HGL, cholesterol,

01:06:55.280 waist circumference, and blood pressure. 93.2% of Americans are not optimally, um, managed on those,

01:07:02.920 those biomarkers. So each of us needs to know those things for ourself. And then as we,

01:07:07.660 as we engage in dietary strategies and try different things on check routinely, and you can actually be

01:07:14.060 very clear whether it's working for you or not, you don't have to be confused and you don't have to

01:07:17.820 outsource that information completely to your doctor. Um, on top of that, I, I saw recently a card,

01:07:23.360 my cardiologist, I go once a year and we were talking about how to make sure you maintain heart

01:07:28.200 health. And he was saying, make sure you have a low in saturated fat diet, but we did not discuss

01:07:33.840 any of this. Like we did not discuss any of this. None of this was raised by one of the best

01:07:38.540 cardiologists in New York, which is obviously a big city. And what you are saying is it's really not

01:07:45.580 about the amount of saturated fat in your diet. It it's about what kind of foods are you taking in

01:07:52.080 net net on a 24 and seven day a week basis. And if you're eating low in saturated fat,

01:07:58.520 but you're eating high in processed foods and seed oils and a lot of sugar, you're probably still

01:08:04.820 going to have unfavorable heart results. Right. And I think that, you know, we all are

01:08:10.860 biochemically individual. So what really matters is the interaction between the saturated fat and your

01:08:15.260 body, and then how that's actually leading to your health outcomes. And right now we can understand a

01:08:20.100 lot about our health outcomes with the tools available to us. So the biomarker testing,

01:08:24.360 you know, we have all the wearables that we could wear now, like the aura rings, and there's even

01:08:28.180 continuous glucose monitors that can track that. And then there's also studies that we can do to

01:08:32.740 actually see inside things like our heart vessels, like calcium scores, or clearly scans or carotid

01:08:38.620 intimal thickness ultrasounds. There's tests that we can do to truly know what our risk is. Um, and,

01:08:46.380 and, and so I think there's a, there's a huge emergence really outside the healthcare system,

01:08:50.760 more in the entrepreneurial world to democratize access to this testing so that we don't have to

01:08:56.220 walk around feeling confused and we can have some more empowerment about understanding, you know,

01:09:01.240 the, the, the biomarkers that truly tell us about foundational cellular health and how this

01:09:06.380 confluence of factors in our environment is interacting with our own bodies to generate health or,

01:09:11.300 or not. And so what does the aura ring show? You, you held up your, your finger. I've seen people

01:09:16.280 wear this, but I haven't looked into it. The aura ring, um, it's, it's using essentially a light

01:09:22.680 spectroscopy technology to, to understand some factors that are going on in your body. So it

01:09:26.960 tells you about your resting heart rate, tells you about your sleep. So different stages of sleep,

01:09:30.920 um, how much REM deep sleep, light sleep you were getting total time of sleep, total time in bed,

01:09:36.120 which are often very different. Um, it's telling you about your heart rate variability, which is a metric

01:09:41.220 of basically how much time is between each heartbeat. And that's actually an objective measure of how

01:09:46.200 much stress our bodies are under. It also tracks my temperature and pairs with an app called the

01:09:51.320 natural cycles app, which is the only FDA approved, uh, form of birth control. That's essentially a

01:09:57.680 digital app. And so the temperature, I think this is astonishing, Megan. I think most women, 0.91

01:10:02.200 I didn't learn this until I was in my mid thirties, but you can actually track where you are in your

01:10:06.360 hormonal cycle and your monthly cycle by just looking at your basal body temperature, which can be done

01:10:10.360 through the ring. And so I have just learned so much about my own biology and my own cycle,

01:10:15.460 just by wearing an aura ring and then understanding how that relates to my monthly cycle. So I can know

01:10:20.280 the exact day I'm ovulating. I can, it can predict the exact day I'm going to get my period. And I

01:10:25.300 just feel so much more in touch with that beautiful cyclical nature of my female body by having a ring 0.52

01:10:30.360 that's telling me that. So, you know, resting heart rate, that's a really important biomarker

01:10:34.620 because the lower our resting heart rate is, um, sort of the better our cardiac outcomes are be the

01:10:39.600 less stress the heart is under to be, um, you know, pumping blood. So that's it. That's something you

01:10:44.840 can see from the ring. And I really want to see my resting heart rate be in that like high forties,

01:10:48.820 low fifties. You know, the, the, the Mayo clinic says 60 to a hundred is fine, but we actually know

01:10:54.040 that as we get up closer to a resting heart rate of a hundred beats per minute, it, it portends much

01:10:59.700 worse health outcomes than if we're in that lower range. And so it lets you just zoom in on kind of

01:11:04.720 day-to-day what's happening with these inputs, like how much sleep am I getting and how much movement

01:11:10.740 am I getting? It also tracks your steps of course. And so you can stay accountable to the key

01:11:16.900 metabolic input puts that we know, um, have an impact on our health outcomes. So it's,

01:11:23.300 it's accountability continuous glucose monitor too, which you said, I mean, the book goes through

01:11:28.080 in detail how this will help you monitor your life and how well you're doing and the glucose in your

01:11:32.240 body and the insulin and all that. But I don't understand. Is this something like, does it

01:11:35.920 puncture you like how, how does it work? Yeah. So it's a sensor that you wear on the back of your

01:11:42.020 arm and it does have a small little probe. That's four millimeters long. It's like fishing wire. It's

01:11:47.180 very small. You can't feel it. And that does puncture the skin. So this little probe is essentially

01:11:51.960 sitting in the fluid around your cells in your arm. And it's constantly sampling your blood sugar

01:11:56.220 levels and sending affirmation to your smartphone. So you can see in real time, what's happening to your

01:12:00.580 blood sugar levels and your blood sugar levels matter because as we become metabolically

01:12:04.880 dysfunctional, we sort of have this problem in the body with how the body's making energy,

01:12:08.640 how the mitochondria are converting food to energy in our bodies, what's going to happen.

01:12:12.560 And as I mentioned, that problem is happening, not just because of the food we're eating, but also

01:12:16.440 because of the lack of sleep and the lack of movement and the environmental toxins, that's all

01:12:20.980 synergistically destroying our cellular health. What's going to happen when we become metabolically

01:12:24.740 dysfunctional is the cells are actually going to reject glucose sugar from coming into the cells

01:12:29.740 because they can't do a good job of processing it anymore because the cell is essentially

01:12:33.460 metabolically broken. So our blood sugar levels are going to rise in the bloodstream because it's

01:12:38.140 not being able to be taken out of the bloodstream into the cells. So because metabolic dysfunction is

01:12:43.140 affecting 93% of Americans today, tracking your blood sugar can give you this basically constant

01:12:48.800 movie of what's happening with this key metabolic biomarker. So when you have breakfast, you can look

01:12:55.200 and instantly see how did that breakfast affect your blood sugar? And then you might be able to make

01:12:59.480 some tweaks. Okay. Well, I had oatmeal and my blood sugar went up a hundred points, which is very,

01:13:05.000 very high. Maybe tomorrow I'll add a little bit of fiber. I'll add some fat. I'll add some protein.

01:13:09.160 I'll take a walk after breakfast to try and minimize that huge blood sugar rise that I had after that

01:13:15.600 meal. So it lets you have this closed loop feedback between what you're eating, how your sleep is,

01:13:22.420 what exercises you're doing, and what's actually happening with your blood sugar, this key metabolic biomarkers.

01:13:27.340 I want to tell the audience that there are so many helpful tips in the book. Again,

01:13:30.540 it's called good energy by Casey means MD, like take a 15 minute walk after your meals that actually

01:13:36.440 helps with the insulin and the glucose levels. When you're eating a meal, let's face it. People

01:13:40.820 are not going to give up carbs. They're not, they're not going to give up pasta permanently or rice or all

01:13:44.320 that, but there's a way of eating your meal where if you, if you have Casey writes like a handful of

01:13:49.220 almonds, maybe before you go out, have a little, a little bit of fat. And, and maybe when you eat your

01:13:54.940 meal, you have that salad first and then you eat your protein first. And then you finish up maybe 10,

01:14:00.960 12, 15 minutes after that with the starchy thing, like your potato or your pasta, even that can help you

01:14:08.280 keep these glucose and these insulin levels managed. So you're not totally unrealistic. Like we're just

01:14:15.100 never going to have pasta again. You know, we're just, you know, the people realistically won't live like

01:14:19.420 that, but there are these little tips where you can live like a normal person, but minimize the

01:14:24.840 damage that you have been doing. That's exactly, that's exactly right. And I think everyone's had

01:14:30.140 the experience where they've had a post meal crash, you know, where you have a meal and then a little

01:14:34.220 bit later you feel exhausted and you want to take a nap and you know, are feeling tired. And what's so

01:14:39.180 interesting with something like a continuous glucose monitor is you can actually see what's happening in

01:14:42.880 your body when you have that subjective experience of a crash. And often what's happening is that

01:14:47.840 we've, we've skyrocketed our blood sugar levels with probably refined sugars, refined carbs,

01:14:53.340 not a balanced meal. And then the body sees that huge blood sugar spike and wants to lower it.

01:14:59.880 Cause it doesn't like that. Um, big blood sugar spikes can lead to problems like inflammation and

01:15:04.740 sugar sticking to things in the body, which is not good. That's called glycation. So the body releases

01:15:08.900 all this insulin to soak up all that glucose out of the bloodstream into the cells. And sometimes it will

01:15:14.160 overshoot and you will crash and you'll see your blood sugar actually going beneath your baseline

01:15:18.920 pre-meal. That is often when people feel tired, low energy, jittery, have more cravings for

01:15:25.800 carbohydrates because the body really wants to get the blood sugar back up to baseline.

01:15:30.300 And so it drives you to want carbohydrates. So I think for many people, when we're eating the

01:15:35.820 standard American diet, we're on this blood sugar rollercoaster all day long. We're up down and then we

01:15:41.020 have to compensate to get back up. So we eat some carbs and then we're up and down. And what's just

01:15:45.680 amazing when you're using tools like this, um, is that you can really see that as you stabilize your

01:15:50.860 blood sugar with simple tweaks, like what you were just talking about, pairing carbohydrates with protein

01:15:55.500 and fiber, taking walks after meals, getting better sleep, managing your stress better. Our day actually

01:16:00.680 feels a lot more stable, like subjectively, like our mood and our mental health and our, our sense of

01:16:06.920 ability to focus and our energy and things like that. That's not to say that people need this

01:16:11.320 technology to, to reap the benefits of what you can learn from it. Um, there's lots of principles

01:16:15.920 like the ones we just talked about that anyone can apply to the way they craft a meal with or without

01:16:21.260 a sensor, um, and, and still get the benefits of more blood sugar. The information is right there.

01:16:26.800 You don't have to live. You don't have to move into Casey's house. You can have some of this

01:16:31.240 information feedback in your own house for, you know, relatively inexpensive price. All right.

01:16:35.720 There's so much I want to get to in the half an hour we have left. Can you do, can you explain

01:16:40.020 quickly seed oils? Because Dr. Kate Shanahan, she came on the show. Uh, they are the hateful eight 1.00

01:16:45.600 canola, soybean, corn, sunflower, safflower, grapeseed, rice bran, and cottonseed oils. Good

01:16:52.320 oils would include avocado, coconut. What else? Olive oil, coconut, avocado, and then things like

01:17:03.480 ghee and beef tallow, um, you know, duck fat, things like that, things that are much more

01:17:09.400 natural and have been less refined things. These are facts that our bodies have evolved

01:17:14.160 to eat over millennia. The issue with seed oils, um, which is one of the most controversial topics

01:17:19.160 right now in the world, um, for whether they're healthy or not, I think you've got to back up

01:17:24.860 a little bit and, and, and realize a couple of things. One that this is now the predominant

01:17:29.640 source of calories in the American diet is these seed oils that are in everything. They are in

01:17:34.500 every processed food. They're in salad dressing, marinades. You can barely go to whole foods and

01:17:41.440 find a food without seed oils anymore. I mean, last, last Friday I had on Dr. Martin McCary and I was

01:17:47.280 saying, okay, we want to get nuts, just healthy nuts for the kids to snack on. Right. So you go,

01:17:51.800 good luck finding it up. The only ones you can find is maybe pistachios and macadamia nuts

01:17:55.720 that haven't been treated with canola oil. Like, yeah. And you know, the kids, they don't want the

01:18:01.880 raw nuts. They want something that's been like a little like flavored, but I have been able to find

01:18:06.220 macadamia nuts and pistachios that say ingredients, nuts and salt. That's it. But everything else,

01:18:12.500 canola, canola, canola. Always, always. And it's devastating to see like what's even happened to

01:18:17.880 whole foods. You know, the, the, the integrity and the standards of what they used to consider

01:18:22.580 healthy have slipped so much where nine of the 10 things I pick up at a whole foods these days have

01:18:28.300 too much sugar seed oils, or they're not organic. So, um, so it's, it's, it's unfortunate, but so

01:18:35.020 these seed oils have burst onto the scene and many of them were actually created in the wake of

01:18:41.160 Rockefeller's work, um, with oil refining as essentially they needed something to do with

01:18:46.540 some of the by-products of the oil refining. And so in a sense, we're kind of eating like an engine

01:18:50.780 lubricant when we eat these seed oils and they are not foods that we had 150, 200 years ago.

01:18:57.200 They're brand new and they're highly concentrated and rich for omega-6 fats, which are pro-inflammatory.

01:19:02.440 They get incorporated rapidly through our cell membranes and have an impact on our, how our

01:19:06.960 cells function. Um, they outcompete other healthier forms of fat for places in our cell membrane. So

01:19:13.080 they're actually changing really the structural integrity of our body. And I think, you know, we have

01:19:18.360 to take into account the fact that these are generally stored in clear plastic bottles that

01:19:23.120 plastic can, you know, anything that's stored in a thin plastic bottle, like a vegetable oil or canola

01:19:27.840 oil can have those microplastics leaching into it. You know, you often see avocado oil or olive oil in

01:19:33.900 a glass bottle, but these seed oils are almost always in a plastic bottle, clear plastic bottles that

01:19:39.100 light is getting in. It's oxidizing the oils that can make them more damaging. Um, and, and they're,

01:19:44.700 they're just the majority of fats we're eating and they're devoid of really any nutritional value.

01:19:48.360 I think if you really want to lose your lunch, you should Google a video of how canola oil is made.

01:19:53.360 You know, how is olive oil or avocado? We did it because I heard you say that. And so we have at

01:19:58.540 least one. Here is a little look at how they make you, the very natural canola oil. Watch.

01:20:06.000 It's the flakes into a screw press. It has a large revolving screw shaped shaft enclosed within a

01:20:12.220 slotted cage. As the shaft turns, its threads squeeze the flakes with high pressure,

01:20:17.560 forcing out the oil, which then drains out through the slots. A 70 minute wash with a solvent.

01:20:23.740 This chemical extraction process removes all but a trace of oil. So the next step is to cool the

01:20:30.900 oil to five degrees Celsius. This thickens those waxes so they can be filtered out.

01:20:36.560 The waxes don't go to waste either. The factory uses them to produce vegetable shortening. After

01:20:43.460 washing and filtering the oil, they bleach it to lighten the color. Then use a steam injection

01:20:48.920 heating process to remove the canola odor. The oil is now fully refined and ready for bottling.

01:20:56.520 The listening audience, it looks like they put that through a car engine. That's really what it

01:20:59.900 reminded me of. It's putting it through a car engine. I don't want that in my body. You know,

01:21:03.840 and then on top of that, you do have to think about the bigger picture environmental impact because

01:21:07.820 these are, again, taxpayer funded commodity crops that are covered in glyphosate and pesticides,

01:21:13.900 which are hormone disruptors. And so you're essentially by buying that oil and using it,

01:21:20.240 we're also promoting a system that's driving this monoculture that's destroying the soil in 0.95

01:21:24.600 our country and will probably lead to some type of food collapse in the future because of what we're

01:21:29.200 doing to our soil. And so much of that land is being used to grow this stuff that's just going

01:21:34.180 into seed oils. It takes like a ton. I'm just having my aha moment here on how kids are going

01:21:40.080 into early puberty and the sperm count is going down and girls are having PCOS more than ever.

01:21:45.580 Even if you have a household that's feeding them vegetables and fruits, unless you're eliminating

01:21:53.220 seed oils, they're getting the pesticides that you just listed that glucose of fate, whatever it is

01:21:59.420 that way they're coming in through what's in your pantry. And this stuff could be leading to a lot

01:22:06.100 of that. No, there's absolutely. Well, there's three things that we really need to be thinking

01:22:10.080 about when we're talking about hormone disruption that is rampant right now. Like you said, I mean,

01:22:15.080 a devastating statistic is that early onset puberty is now becoming like epidemic in our country.

01:22:21.600 American girls are starting puberty years earlier than any other continent in the world. And it has 1.00

01:22:28.860 declined about six years, the onset of puberty in the past hundred years. And we're also seeing a

01:22:35.840 huge rise in hormone driven cancers like breast cancer, which is an estrogen driven cancer. On top of

01:22:42.160 that, we're seeing a sustained decline in sperm count and a sustained decline in total fertility rate and

01:22:49.040 women's infertility. The leading cause of which is polycystic ovarian syndrome is skyrocketing.

01:22:53.460 So across the hormonal spectrum, we are being destroyed and devastated. I mean, I can't, I'm 36

01:22:59.980 years old. I cannot talk. I cannot have a conversation with friends in my age group without the topic of

01:23:04.960 infertility or IVF or egg freezing coming up. So we have to back up and say, what the hell is going on?

01:23:11.300 Two of the big factors I think we need to be investigating are both pesticides and plastics. So,

01:23:16.600 you know, plastic is everywhere. Plastic is ubiquitous. It's literally in every single thing.

01:23:23.560 It's our sheets are made of polyester. Our clothes are made of polyester. Every bottle in our home is

01:23:27.620 made of plastic. All our food containers are plastic. Plastics are now in our air,

01:23:32.520 nanoparticulized plastics in our air. It's in our water supply. It's on our food. It's in our homes.

01:23:37.660 We're covered in it. And plastics and pesticides can disrupt estrogen receptor signaling,

01:23:45.260 act as xenoestrogens, which essentially create a pro-estrogenic environment in our bodies. And

01:23:52.100 other pesticides like atrazine, which is illegal overseas, but which we use about 70 million pounds

01:23:59.080 of in our country each year can actually convert testosterone to estrogen. And so, you know,

01:24:05.540 just as a real wake-up call to people, we talk about does organic matter? It's like these chemicals

01:24:11.220 that are invisible and are on our food can convert testosterone to estrogen. So why would we not be

01:24:19.400 worried about that when all of these hormone-related issues are skyrocketing in our culture? So one of

01:24:27.460 the easiest things that I think we can do to clean things up is to just, you know, we got to filter our

01:24:31.700 water. We, you know, we should avoid pesticides on our foods and we should really try and minimize

01:24:36.540 the amount of plastic that's in our, you know, in our homes and on our foods and things like that.

01:24:42.340 So what, I have a question for you from Debbie Murphy, who is my executive producer for news.

01:24:47.760 She's been with me forever. And she has a question I think a lot of moms want to know about,

01:24:52.020 which is, okay, you get the, you get the, you know, non-pesticide-laden fruits and veggies

01:24:57.640 into your house. And then you send your kid off to school and you put it in the little plastic baggie

01:25:02.060 and your alternative, you don't want to put in the little plastic baggie to send your kid to school

01:25:05.600 with it is to try to put it in glass, which is heavy. And the little kid could break it and the

01:25:09.940 school doesn't love it. And so I think a lot of us struggle with that. Like you may have this good

01:25:14.720 clean food and then you shove it in plastic or you shove it in Reynolds wrap. And it's like that there,

01:25:19.100 well, that's aluminum. I, you know, same thing with bottled water. You, you have it in plastic or,

01:25:23.120 oh wait, what is the aluminum any healthier? Like, what are your thoughts on that?

01:25:26.140 Yeah. I mean, yeah, we want to avoid the aluminum too. Cause aluminum is, is a neurotoxin. Um, that's,

01:25:32.520 you know, filling the vaccines that we're using and that's in, you know, we're drinking these

01:25:38.420 aluminum cans that are also lined with plastic. So we're getting both plastic and aluminum. I mean,

01:25:42.180 it's everywhere. I think, I think it comes back to, I mean, we don't want to get discouraged. Um,

01:25:46.200 I think one of the things that always keeps me hopeful is realizing that like all of this is just a few

01:25:50.480 decades old. Like we have forgotten that, but we actually got into this mess just over the course of

01:25:55.840 like half a century. So we can absolutely get ourselves out of it, but we do need to wake up

01:26:00.740 and realize what's happening and think about our priorities, right? Like we need to get creative.

01:26:05.480 We'd all hands on deck. We'd are, we need our brains to be functioning properly so that we can

01:26:09.480 address these issues that are, all of this is slipping into culture because of industry interests

01:26:15.800 and we're, we're kind of allowing it to happen, but we have a lot of agency. And I think we need to,

01:26:20.940 like, we really need to, like I talked about earlier, get back in touch before, before solutions,

01:26:27.100 before talking about like, well, what's better than a plastic baggie or a Reynolds wrap. We need

01:26:31.920 to get back to the basics, which is more spiritual. I think, which is the fact that like, what do we

01:26:37.080 want from this lifetime? What do we even think about this lifetime? Are we connecting with our

01:26:41.180 spirituality? And the fact that we are having this like absolutely miraculous cosmic experience as

01:26:47.960 spirits in a body for 70 to 90 years on this planet once in eternity, you know, like what are

01:26:55.160 our priorities, you know? And, and then if we ground in that, whether that's a spiritual belief

01:27:01.300 or religious belief and really invest in that and just kind of unplug a little bit from this

01:27:05.280 distraction, industrial tech complex that wants us to totally forget about the miraculousness of

01:27:10.940 experience of life. Um, once we do unplug from that, then think about, okay, what do I want to do in

01:27:15.900 this lifetime? What do, what is my purpose? You know, where am I trying to get? And I think

01:27:21.260 realizing that the temple of the body, which is impacted by all of these things we're talking

01:27:25.220 about, this is our gateway to reaching our highest purpose to connecting with God during this lifetime.

01:27:32.600 And I say all that not to take us off topic, but because it's, we get really caught up in how

01:27:39.740 difficult all the micro decisions are around our lives and how tough it is with the schools and the

01:27:45.140 school lunches and the baggies and the lotions have artificial fragrances in them and the plastics.

01:27:49.660 But I think we got to ground this in like the real core truth, which is that, you know,

01:27:54.340 we're, we're off course as a culture. Our priorities are misaligned. We're missing what matters. We are

01:28:00.380 totally distracted by tech and by all of this environmental stuff to destroying our biology

01:28:05.000 and making us not think clearly. We got to get back on track from that place. Then we can talk

01:28:10.400 about solutions, which is like, yeah, I, I want to invest my time and in sourcing healthy food and

01:28:18.460 in trying to find alternatives. So that might be a silicone baggie. I don't know. It might be,

01:28:22.420 you know, wrapping your kid's sandwich in butcher paper rather than a plastic baggie. But, um,

01:28:28.580 I think, you know, I'm, you know, there's certainly infinite solutions to kind of like

01:28:34.320 piece through each of these filter our water, you know, this and that, but fundamentally,

01:28:38.420 I just think it needs to be grounded in a sense of like, not overwhelmed, but actually like I'm

01:28:43.140 committed to, um, prioritizing this in my life because I am disgusted by how culture is going.

01:28:50.820 I'm going to get a water water filter on at least my kitchen sink and then you do it. And then you're

01:28:58.380 done with that one. Like some of it is just like, I'm going to do some planning to improve my life.

01:29:02.680 I want to say a couple of things because I just want to get these out because I know our time is short

01:29:07.380 and you have to catch a flight. Okay. So there's, we should spend a minute on sugar. Sugar's the

01:29:12.820 devil. I just did the thing. I, I did a Google search and found out that you're, my kids are

01:29:18.540 allowed to have 25 grams of sugar a day, according to the recommendations. So that's not so bad. You

01:29:24.460 could have like one ice cream a day that your, your position is it's zero. It's zero. Hello. We,

01:29:31.340 the sugar is terrible for us. So I want to go back to that, but just a couple of the things quickly,

01:29:35.120 we do need to be exercising. Walking is great throughout the day. Not one exercise, not one

01:29:41.220 hour, not sit at a desk all day and then do one hour of exercise all day long, little movements,

01:29:46.880 wall sits, mini little squats, even if it's one minute or two minutes, an hour, that's actually

01:29:52.780 better for you than just the one hour and eight hours of sitting. And actually you, um,

01:29:58.600 site somebody in there. I think it, I can't remember who it is, but in any event, um, it's

01:30:03.360 saying, in fact, if you sit all day and then you just do that one hour of exercise, you're

01:30:07.820 probably undoing the effects of all that, of that one hour of exercise by all that sitting

01:30:11.300 sitting is the devil sitting is death. You will die if you sit all day. So that's one

01:30:16.880 thing. And the other weird thing, I'm just jumping around so I can get these things out

01:30:20.100 while you're still here. See what, which one you want to talk about is, um, the hot and cold

01:30:23.840 therapy is good. Uh, like saunas are good. Cold plunges are good. You don't have to

01:30:28.180 have necessarily a cold plunge to do it. You can just turn on the cold, cold shower for

01:30:32.000 two minutes at the end. All that stuff is like testing your body and sleep, sleep, sleep.

01:30:37.240 This is in your book and we've had other sleep experts on, but it matters. It matters. Get

01:30:41.580 at least seven hours. And here's the weirdest, but most interesting thing that jumped out at

01:30:45.300 me in this whole thing. Do not take your grocery store receipts. Say, I don't want my receipt.

01:30:52.580 Okay. So take your pick out of all those, but those are just quick rules for the audience

01:30:55.900 listening at home. Yeah. Those are the keys. And you know, as you read the book, you realize

01:31:00.400 that all of these things are basically doing the same thing when we sleep and we avoid the

01:31:05.880 toxins and we move more throughout the day. What we're doing is we're giving our body signals

01:31:10.820 to help the mitochondria and ourselves do their best work. So it all funnels through this core

01:31:16.700 foundational, uh, pathway that lets us have just foundational health. And these are, of course,

01:31:22.780 didn't learn any of these things in medical school, had to learn all of this after medical

01:31:25.880 school. Um, and so yes, absolutely. Um, you know, I think that it is helpful to talk a little bit

01:31:33.680 about the walking that you were talking about, because I think this is very free and practical

01:31:37.740 and actionable for people. What the research shows that if, if we're able to move a little bit every

01:31:44.460 hour throughout the day, so just get up and walk around the block or walk around our house,

01:31:48.720 do a few air squats, just move our muscles. What that does is it actually keeps our glucose

01:31:54.320 channels, our blood sugar channels on our cell membrane all throughout the day so that we're

01:31:58.600 constantly able to take blood sugar out of the bloodstream and use it. If we sit all day and

01:32:03.100 just exercise for one hour during the day, we're actually keeping those glucose channels inside the

01:32:08.780 cell for most of the day and keeping that blood sugar floating around the bloodstream. And so it's a

01:32:13.780 very different physiology. If we're just, you know, doing these little micro hits of movement all

01:32:17.760 throughout the day versus sitting all day and then exercising for an hour, of course, that hour has a

01:32:22.440 huge benefit and it's great for your mitochondrial health and your aerobic health. But what we want

01:32:26.960 to do is we want to be exercising, but also sprinkling little two minute bursts of motion throughout the

01:32:32.460 day to keep those cells constantly metabolically active. Um, so that's, this is the simple stuff like

01:32:39.020 park farther away from the store when you're in the, in the parking lot. So you can walk a little bit

01:32:43.820 farther, setting those little alarms on your phone for every 45 minutes or an hour

01:32:47.560 to remind you to get up and move. It actually has a monumental impact on our 24 hour blood sugar

01:32:52.860 levels. One of the things you recommend is the treadmill desk, which I said to the team, I'm

01:32:57.100 like, what is this treadmill desk? Get him. Can you guys get me a videotape of it? And three of the

01:33:01.520 members of my staff said, we all have them. Here's Debbie Murphy. This is Canadian Debbie. For those of

01:33:06.280 you listening at home, you know her well, she's been with me since 2007 at Fox and here she is up in

01:33:11.040 Canada who Canada on her walking on her treadmill under this is Kelly McGuire. Here we go. Another

01:33:19.620 Canadian producer. All my staff is in Canada. I don't know why. Um, okay. This is Natasha. She

01:33:25.300 produced this segment, Casey, there's your book. So she's not in Canada. She's down in Texas. But

01:33:30.940 anyway, three of my staff are actually reading and writing and doing real work on the treadmill desks.

01:33:37.540 Yeah. Pretty much the only thing I do sitting indoors is podcasts because it's a much better

01:33:42.840 environment and I've got the good background, but to my right right now is my treadmill desk. I have

01:33:46.780 a bright pink treadmill desk. This desk will raise after the podcast. And I actually have

01:33:51.500 a standing desk outside. I'm pointing to my glass sliding door right now, just an old desk that I

01:33:57.660 have a little structure on top of so I can stand. And I move my treadmill desk indoors and outdoors

01:34:02.000 throughout the day. And that gets to another point about metabolic health that I think is sort of

01:34:07.100 under, under the radar, which is we need to be spending more time outside astronomically more

01:34:11.300 time outside. Um, the research on this is insane. Humans are spending about 94% of their time

01:34:20.260 in inside a house or inside a car, only about 6% of their time outdoors on this spectacular,

01:34:27.040 beautiful planet that we have this privilege to live on. And this has so, I know, I know. I mean,

01:34:33.600 it's so my, my ask, my invitation for people is try to find things that you are doing right now

01:34:40.600 indoor and seated during the day and just find a way to do some of them outside. And ideally some

01:34:45.520 of them outside and standing. So this could be instead of catching up with your partner on the

01:34:49.460 couch at the end of the day, take a walk around the block together. If you are opening your mail that

01:34:54.300 you just got from your mailbox, instead of bringing it inside and sitting to look at the mail, maybe stand

01:34:59.500 outside at a table and, and do it. The reason for this is multifactorial. The first is that our

01:35:04.940 circadian rhythms are being destroyed in our modern culture where we're being blasted with blue light

01:35:09.020 from the screens. And we're spending 94% of our time indoors separated from sunlight. Sunlight is a

01:35:16.400 form of, um, of, of energy, um, that actually hits ourselves in our retina and on our skin and tells our

01:35:24.360 body what time it is. It tells our body that it's daytime and the absent of light energy. It tells our body

01:35:28.960 it's nighttime. That's important because we're diurnal animals. We do certain biologic activity

01:35:34.460 during the day and we do certain biological activity at night. And in our modern world where

01:35:38.480 we're separated from sunlight all day and we're blasting our retinas with blue light at night,

01:35:42.180 our bodies are completely confused about what to do during different times of the day. And again,

01:35:47.480 the chronic disease epidemic is basically mass confusion of our cells and circadian biology is a

01:35:52.340 big part of that. And the way we can actually fix that is spending more time exposing our retina

01:35:56.600 without sunglasses. You don't want to look straight at the sun, but you want to just be outside with the

01:36:00.940 sunlight. Even if it's cloudy, that's fine. There's still photons coming through and you want

01:36:04.720 your skin and your retina to basically see what time of day it is. So it knows what genetic and

01:36:10.060 cell signaling pathways to do. And then at night, of course, once the sun goes down and different

01:36:15.340 pathways need to be activated in our body for biology, we want to basically separate from all that

01:36:19.580 blasting light. So dim lights, you know, maybe use the blue light blocking glasses, turn your devices onto dark

01:36:25.400 mode or put a red lights, uh, filter on your computer. You're you want to reduce that blue

01:36:30.660 light blasting your retinas. And all of this is to help your body know what time it is. So it can do

01:36:34.800 the biologic alternatives as opposed to. So the second piece, aside from circadian biology about

01:36:39.520 going outdoors, it's so important is that the air is actually cleaner outside than it is inside our

01:36:45.580 homes. Our, our home air is actually usually more polluted than what it would be outside. There's no

01:36:52.800 exceptions to this. Like if you live right next to a big highway, but typically because of all the

01:36:57.220 carpeting and the paint and the plastics and the dust in our homes, it's actually more polluted and

01:37:02.740 air pollution is a huge cause of why we're sick. So just get outside, spend more time breathing fresh

01:37:08.600 air. And of course the third piece gets back to the spiritual. When we go outside, we get away from

01:37:13.960 our myopic tunnel vision that happens when we're locked inside these cages of our four walls of our,

01:37:19.200 you know, offices. And we see that there's a bigger picture. We see that there is beautiful

01:37:24.240 nature doing its thing out there. We see that there's stars and moon and sun in the sky. We see

01:37:29.760 that there are birds flying around and we realize that this is all bigger than us. And we need to

01:37:33.980 actually realize that we're interconnected to everything else on planet earth and in the universe

01:37:37.960 and have more awe for that. And so for multiple, and that actually, and that, that sounds a little bit,

01:37:44.300 you know, woo woo. But in reality, there is research that shows that when you spend time

01:37:48.860 around trees and when you spend time outdoors, it's significantly what lowers our stress hormone

01:37:53.100 levels, which have an impact on our metabolic health. So circadian biology, uh, unpolluted,

01:37:57.900 less polluted air and lowering our cortisol levels are all reasons that just spending more time outdoors

01:38:04.980 can transform our health. And when we sit inside at our desks on our computers, on our phones,

01:38:09.560 we get scared, we get small. We think the world is a terrible place because that's all we're seeing.

01:38:14.560 So that's why it matters. Let me ask you a couple of quick, quick ones. Okay. Cause we only have a

01:38:18.760 couple of minutes less left and I'd love to get these answers. Um, why, why shouldn't we take our

01:38:22.880 grocery store receipt? So the thermal ink on receipts actually is an endocrine disrupting chemical,

01:38:29.120 um, and can actually affect our hormone health. And so we don't want to touch our receipts.

01:38:33.920 Yeah. And, and that thermal ink, we should just not touch. So just decline the receipt

01:38:38.860 or ask for an electronic receipt. Brilliant. Got it. Bottle water.

01:38:45.520 Avoid bottled water from a plastic bottle. Um, the, these are filled with nanoparticles of

01:38:50.980 microplastic, which again can have estrogenic effects. And actually we now know that, uh,

01:38:56.400 plastics in our, you know, that are in these bottled waters and in, they actually can go into

01:39:02.640 our cells, these nanoparticles and disturb our mitochondrial function by actually going inside

01:39:08.300 ourselves. Um, one thing that I think is astonishing that is not being talked about yet by doctors is

01:39:14.480 the fact that the ubiquity of plastic in our air, water, food, and homes, which is an invention that

01:39:21.440 was only created a hundred years ago, brand new. Um, it's changing the way we're going to have to

01:39:26.560 practice medicine because now coronary plaques, like the plaques that block our arteries that go from

01:39:32.160 our heart to our brain, but then we can do a surgery called a carotid endorectomy to take

01:39:36.220 out those plaques. And they're looking at those plaques under a microscope now. And 55% of plaques

01:39:41.900 are now filled with microplastics. So we not only have too much of a bummer because that I feel so

01:39:46.760 powerless over the plastics. Sorry to cut you off, but we have got 60 seconds left and I got to get

01:39:51.100 these out. If you get a filter on your kitchen sink, do you need one on your shower?

01:39:55.940 You know, probably it would be good. I don't have one yet. You know, there's kind of just too many

01:40:00.660 things to do, but there are shower filters now. And you know, I think that that, that might be

01:40:04.960 a beneficial thing to do or a whole house filter. If you, if you are, if you can, but certainly for

01:40:09.320 your drinking water, do you get, what do you buy? You know, if you buy one of those reusable,

01:40:13.140 I take it, you don't get a plastic. What material do you get a bottle of water, you know, like a

01:40:17.220 thermos? And I just, I, I use a stainless steel or a glass water bottle. I carry multiple with me all

01:40:23.400 the time. So I have enough water. Usually I'm carrying two liters at a time and I have reverse

01:40:26.960 osmosis filter that gets re-minimalized and that's under my sink. So, you know, we bring,

01:40:32.260 I even will check bags now instead of taking carry-ons so I can bring three or four liters

01:40:36.600 of water with me on a trip, just so I can like have something to start with when I get there.

01:40:41.240 But otherwise a glass bottle, um, would be your best option, uh, like spring water.

01:40:46.540 Okay. So we ended it on a very small myopic note and we started on big notes, but that's fine.

01:40:51.760 Cause people do need like practical advice for what to do, including yours truly. Please come

01:40:57.380 back. We've only scratched the surface. There's so much goodness in here. Casey. Thank you.

01:41:01.940 Thank you, Megan, so much for being a warrior on this health issue. I so appreciate what you're

01:41:06.220 doing. I am a hundred percent with you. And I should tell the audience, Nicole Shanahan's

01:41:10.160 going to be on the show, this show soon. Here's the book, good energy. Go buy it by Casey means get

01:41:15.480 it now. God bless you, Casey and your brother, Callie as well. Thanks again for being here.

01:41:19.620 We'll be back on Monday with the EJs. We'll see all of you then. 0.99

01:41:26.220 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - September 13, 2024

Elite Establishment's Ties to Big Pharma, and Keys to Avoiding Ultra-Processed Food, with Dr. Casey Means ｜ Ep. 887

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