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00:01:00.820 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:02.620 Live on SiriusXM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.720 Hello, beautiful Atlanta!

00:01:15.140 Oh my God, it's incredible here!

00:01:17.900 Look at this crowd!

00:01:19.100 I'm honored to have you with me tonight.

00:01:22.300 You guys, thank you so much for being here.

00:01:23.880 Sit, sit, enjoy yourself.

00:01:27.700 Okay.

00:01:28.860 This one is super special to me for many reasons.

00:01:32.680 I've got my kids backstage.

00:01:34.620 Two out of three.

00:01:36.860 And I've got my brother Pete out there with you.

00:01:40.040 Pete, are you in the front?

00:01:40.840 Can I...

00:01:41.180 Where are you?

00:01:41.580 Stand up, Peter Kelly.

00:01:43.380 Where is he?

00:01:44.380 Here, right here.

00:01:45.200 That's my big brother.

00:01:50.540 Pete's five years older than I am.

00:01:52.760 And we're a family of three.

00:01:55.200 We lost my sister a couple years ago.

00:01:56.920 But she was the oldest.

00:01:57.940 And then came Pete.

00:01:58.820 And then came me.

00:01:59.860 And he absolutely tortured me as a child.

00:02:05.040 He looked out for me, but he tortured me.

00:02:06.700 But it was a good kind of torture, right?

00:02:08.180 It was the 70s.

00:02:09.300 So we were raised right.

00:02:10.640 Our parents ignored us.

00:02:11.960 Our older siblings bullied us.

00:02:13.260 And we wound up having a thick skin that we would very much need later in life.

00:02:18.440 Right?

00:02:22.320 We're too complimentary these days.

00:02:24.240 I was talking to Tucker the other night.

00:02:25.880 And he was saying his parents literally never paid him a compliment.

00:02:28.880 Like, they never.

00:02:29.640 They were not into compliments at all.

00:02:31.680 And he was saying how his dad would look over his shoulder when he was writing his thank you notes.

00:02:35.100 And if the dad ever saw the word I, he'd say, oh, it's all about you.

00:02:39.280 Right?

00:02:39.740 Now that's exactly the opposite of the message most of us are sending our kids.

00:02:42.760 It's like, it is all about you.

00:02:44.140 You're so smart and sweet and special, Junior.

00:02:47.200 We're overcompensating, I think, for being ignored for the first 30 years of our lives.

00:02:51.500 But I do believe that Gen X is the greatest generation.

00:02:56.060 I know I'm biased.

00:02:58.160 It's the greatest generation.

00:02:59.140 But I did just read today that there, do you believe, guess what generation is considered the most conservative now?

00:03:06.980 Right now.

00:03:07.480 Do you know?

00:03:08.880 They're saying Gen Z.

00:03:09.860 I do think that the back end of Gen Z, like our kids, they are going to be the most conservative.

00:03:14.660 But right now, you're not going to believe this.

00:03:16.740 It's millennials.

00:03:19.080 I know.

00:03:21.080 Millennials are actually the most conservative right now.

00:03:23.380 And you know what?

00:03:24.000 That is such a hopeful sign because they were lunatics like 15 years ago.

00:03:28.080 So maybe there's hope for the next Gen coming up.

00:03:31.920 I'm feeling very, very positive about it.

00:03:35.220 In that sizzle reel we did, we love the sizzle reels.

00:03:37.660 We have a great producer, Jake Whitman, who puts those together.

00:03:39.840 They're so fun.

00:03:40.980 You saw a clip of Jimmy Kimmel in his blackface, right?

00:03:44.160 That guy wore blackface more times than he could count.

00:03:46.520 He didn't get canceled.

00:03:47.860 But not only was he in blackface, he was like speaking in Ebonics doing Carl Malone.

00:03:52.500 Fine, no problem.

00:03:53.460 You can be a big host of ABC News.

00:03:54.960 We don't care.

00:03:56.200 So there was a soundbite that was circulating today of Jimmy Kimmel and his wife.

00:04:01.420 And you know, I really do believe this.

00:04:02.900 You show me the wife and I'll tell you about the husband, right, when it comes to politics.

00:04:05.860 It's very rare that there'd be a huge gulf between them, right?

00:04:09.580 It just doesn't tend to work, notwithstanding James Carville and Mary Matlin.

00:04:13.380 So Jimmy and his wife gave an interview together in which the wife says she was raised by a conservative

00:04:20.900 family and is talking about, in the Midwest, I think she's in Missouri, and the, yeah, right.

00:04:27.700 You'd think she'd stay normal.

00:04:29.420 That's not what happened.

00:04:30.660 All right, just watch this.

00:04:31.460 It hurts me so much because of the personal relationship I now have where my husband is out there fighting this man.

00:04:42.280 And to me, them voting for Trump is them not voting for my husband and me and our family.

00:04:49.300 And I, I, I unfortunately have kind of lost relationships with people in my family because of it.

00:04:56.180 I, it's, it's like, it, this is not just Republican versus Democrat for me anymore.

00:05:00.660 It is, to me, it's family values.

00:05:03.500 But I, like, personalize everything now.

00:05:06.460 When I see these terrible stories every day, I'm immediately mad at certain aunts, uncles, cousins who put him in power.

00:05:13.720 And it's really hard in my, it's, I wish I could, like, deprogram myself in some way.

00:05:20.480 But I, I, I get really angry.

00:05:22.600 And I sent, I've sent many emails to family, like, right before the election saying, I'm begging you.

00:05:26.660 Here's the 10 reasons not to vote for this guy.

00:05:28.860 Please don't.

00:05:30.040 And I either got ignored by 90% of them or got truly insane responses from a few.

00:05:37.380 Unbelievable, right?

00:05:38.300 I, I gave them the 10 reasons not to vote for this guy, but they're just too stupid to understand how right I am.

00:05:44.960 Raise your hand if you lost a friend or a family member because you're a Trump supporter.

00:05:49.800 Yeah, most of the people here.

00:05:51.700 And I just wanted to close my opening remarks with, fuck them.

00:05:58.080 They're not worth our time.

00:06:00.220 Life's too short.

00:06:01.340 We have to move on without them.

00:06:02.860 All right, let's get some questions going from the audience, and then we'll start the party.

00:06:08.300 I'm so happy to be here with you guys.

00:06:10.920 Let's go.

00:06:11.880 So happy.

00:06:13.820 Love you guys so much.

00:06:20.340 Yes.

00:06:21.480 I've been honing my question all week.

00:06:23.340 Great.

00:06:24.020 Hi.

00:06:24.540 This is actually more directed to MTG.

00:06:27.000 Okay.

00:06:27.180 So maybe you can attack her.

00:06:28.560 It's about immigration.

00:06:29.920 Okay.

00:06:30.460 All right.

00:06:31.600 I teach in her district.

00:06:33.440 I live in Chattanooga.

00:06:34.760 One of my students made national news about a year ago.

00:06:42.320 She turned illegally right, was arrested, and put in a detention camp.

00:06:47.300 She is one of thousands in my district.

00:06:51.320 I know your stance on immigration is get them all out.

00:06:54.700 I have former students that have been here 20 years.

00:06:57.380 They came across the border when they were six months old.

00:07:01.060 There is no pathway for them.

00:07:03.500 What is Congress doing to give them a pathway?

00:07:07.120 I'll run that by her, but I think the answer is nothing because they need to go.

00:07:12.740 I'm sorry.

00:07:13.640 I'm not heartless.

00:07:14.840 But they did nothing wrong.

00:07:15.140 We have enough of our own problems.

00:07:16.660 We can barely take care of our own citizens.

00:07:19.440 Like, I'm sorry.

00:07:20.420 It's not that I have no empathy for them.

00:07:21.980 It's just there has to be a priority of taking care of Americans first.

00:07:24.360 And if they leave now, Trump is saying, leave now, tell us that you left, and then we can

00:07:28.300 maybe get you back in and do this the right way.

00:07:30.480 But you came in the wrong way, and you're going to have to leave.

00:07:33.080 I'm sorry.

00:07:34.520 Next up.

00:07:37.640 Hey, Megan.

00:07:38.520 Love your hat and shirt.

00:07:39.500 Thank you.

00:07:40.260 I'm Reagan Atkins, and I go to Auburn University.

00:07:43.620 Awesome.

00:07:44.240 Yeah.

00:07:45.220 And I recently just went to the Turning Point event and got this free hat.

00:07:48.700 I just wanted to mention that.

00:07:49.860 That's beautiful.

00:07:50.280 But my question is for you is, as someone who, like, after college, I want to start a

00:07:55.560 family, how do you, like, recommend for me, like, how to do it all, like you're doing

00:08:00.600 right now?

00:08:00.880 Oh, that's a good question.

00:08:02.360 So, I'm a big fan, if you can do it, of finding your husband, like, soon.

00:08:07.220 Right?

00:08:07.940 I do.

00:08:08.580 I think, like, college, I would love, Yates and Yards, if you're listening, I would love

00:08:12.140 for you to find somebody in college and get married before you're 25 or 6.

00:08:15.780 Really, it's about me, because I'm old, and I want to know my grandchildren.

00:08:20.800 But honestly, it is kind of about me, the reason I'm giving this answer, because I didn't

00:08:24.180 meet my husband, Doug, until I was 35, and then we got married very soon, and we had kids

00:08:28.960 at 38, 40, and 42, which is like, I'm like Methuselah having children out here.

00:08:34.420 And while I wouldn't change a thing about it, if I could move it back 10 years, I 100% would,

00:08:39.660 because I want all the time I can get with my kids and then with my grandkids.

00:08:43.440 And I think young women aren't told that.

00:08:45.040 If you wait too long, you know, we do have a window of opportunity.

00:08:48.280 And while I was lucky that the fertility didn't turn off, a lot of women aren't that lucky.

00:08:53.040 So I really would prioritize first finding a mate, finding a husband, and building a family.

00:08:58.460 And the career will always be there to build.

00:09:00.400 And you can do building blocks along the way while you're doing that for the career.

00:09:03.240 Like, you can slowly get your degree or an advanced degree, what have you.

00:09:06.600 But I think meeting a spouse and having your children first should be first in line.

00:09:12.200 I am, I do have a boyfriend of four years.

00:09:15.780 Nice.

00:09:16.080 So I'm hoping.

00:09:16.740 Good.

00:09:17.760 What's his name?

00:09:18.920 His name's Garrison.

00:09:20.280 Garrison, do the right thing.

00:09:24.200 Hi, Megan.

00:09:25.220 Hi.

00:09:25.760 My name is Joshua.

00:09:26.500 My question is, during a recent stop, you had Ben Shapiro as a guest.

00:09:31.780 And he had made some claims about Candace saying that she had said certain things online.

00:09:37.380 And when he made those claims, you looked visibly uncomfortable because, you know, you hadn't heard that and couldn't verify that.

00:09:44.500 So my question is, why did you look so uncomfortable in that moment?

00:09:48.620 And have you researched the claims that he made since?

00:09:51.500 Thank you for that.

00:09:52.680 Yeah, no, he said that Candace has been claiming Erica Kirk was behind the murder of Charlie, which I had not heard.

00:10:00.240 And I was taken aback because that seems like something I would have heard.

00:10:03.720 It's so crazy.

00:10:04.700 And I have since learned it is not true.

00:10:07.940 Candace has not made that claim.

00:10:09.680 And in fact, I've now seen several clips of Candace specifically defending Erica Kirk and saying she would never make a claim like that about Erica.

00:10:17.960 And that she, you know, she is open-minded to other people at Turning Point.

00:10:22.100 That's obvious.

00:10:23.140 She's been making that point.

00:10:24.100 I had heard that point.

00:10:26.060 But she's specifically been defending Erica Kirk.

00:10:29.600 And she's been saying she does not think that of Erica.

00:10:31.760 And in fact, if you read her comments, she's under pressure to make comments about Erica.

00:10:35.240 And so far, what I've seen, she hasn't.

00:10:37.760 So thank you for that question.

00:10:43.700 Hi, Megan.

00:10:44.660 Hi.

00:10:45.340 Carrie Preston, love you.

00:10:46.900 You're the light of my day.

00:10:48.260 Oh, thank you.

00:10:49.620 Firstly, I'm from Virginia, so pray for me.

00:10:52.000 Oh, God.

00:10:53.580 Do not violate a law for the love of God.

00:10:56.200 I don't understand.

00:10:57.260 Do not want that man predicting your future.

00:10:59.120 No, I don't understand.

00:11:00.480 Secondly, I just sent you a resume.

00:11:02.780 Please look at it.

00:11:03.780 Aw.

00:11:04.840 Awesome.

00:11:06.080 You know we're doing well.

00:11:06.980 We are hiring.

00:11:07.700 I know.

00:11:08.500 I saw.

00:11:09.260 All right.

00:11:09.700 Thirdly, my question is, my biggest fear, and there's a lot of fears, but my biggest one

00:11:14.340 is the Islamic takeover of the Western civilization.

00:11:17.940 Who feels that way?

00:11:19.620 Yes.

00:11:20.260 Right.

00:11:20.860 We're not alone.

00:11:22.260 And so when I say this to certain people, they look at me like I have three heads.

00:11:28.740 I have a tinfoil hat on.

00:11:30.460 And so how do we get this message across?

00:11:33.140 Because it does sound a little conspiratorial.

00:11:36.960 So how do we make it sound like it's an actual real threat?

00:11:40.140 Well, that's a good point.

00:11:41.300 I mean, it's hard for you to play soundbites for your friends, right?

00:11:44.260 But you should.

00:11:46.400 Like, I'm going to play you some tonight that you could play, like, out of Minneapolis

00:11:50.200 and Dearborn, which are gone.

00:11:53.740 I mean, really, they're under Islamic control.

00:11:57.060 Dearborn in particular, but Minneapolis, close second.

00:11:59.180 And then there's New York City, which, you know, 20-plus years after being bombed by

00:12:05.780 radical Muslims, elects a guy who seems to love radical Muslims.

00:12:10.320 Whether he's one of them, we're about to find out.

00:12:12.420 He is Muslim.

00:12:13.600 But I mean, like, as soon as he got in the mayor's office, the mayoral post, he seems

00:12:19.560 to have dropped the mask.

00:12:20.700 First thing was he went to a mosque with a very controversial imam, which is the last thing

00:12:25.160 he did before he got elected mayor to.

00:12:27.120 I got my eye on this guy.

00:12:28.880 And I'm sorry to say, I think he's going to make your point rather clear for your friend

00:12:32.780 very soon.

00:12:34.520 All right.

00:12:34.860 Carrie Preston, I sent you my president.

00:12:36.320 Thank you.

00:12:36.340 Got it.

00:12:37.940 Good evening, Megan.

00:12:39.140 Hi.

00:12:39.440 It's wonderful to meet you.

00:12:40.660 Oh, it's so nice to see you.

00:12:41.560 This comment is actually more for Congresswoman Green.

00:12:44.900 Okay.

00:12:45.120 I am one of her constituents.

00:12:46.940 I live in Paulding County.

00:12:48.680 And I am here to beg her, beg her, do not cave to the Democrats on health insurance.

00:12:56.540 Okay.

00:12:56.720 My son works.

00:12:58.720 Sorry.

00:12:59.760 My son works for the Department of War.

00:13:03.480 And he has not been paid.

00:13:05.560 And even he says, do not cave to the Democrats.

00:13:10.120 Wow.

00:13:10.380 No matter what.

00:13:12.520 We're going to talk about it.

00:13:13.400 Thank you for teeing it up for me.

00:13:17.120 Hi, Megan.

00:13:18.020 Hi, sir.

00:13:18.280 I'm Brooks.

00:13:18.980 Hi.

00:13:19.240 I've been watching you since I was 16 on the Kelly file.

00:13:22.340 And now I'm 25.

00:13:23.820 Oh, wow.

00:13:24.320 Oh, wow.

00:13:25.040 I'm honored.

00:13:25.640 My question is, we just had this moment of unity among conservatives with the assassination

00:13:31.840 of Charlie Kirk.

00:13:34.200 And then we get to the election.

00:13:36.760 Such a short window of time.

00:13:38.520 How do we screw that up?

00:13:39.860 Oh, God.

00:13:42.060 Smarter people than yours truly are going to be answering that for us in about a minute.

00:13:45.680 Right?

00:13:45.880 We've got Rich Valerie and Charles C.W. Cook.

00:13:48.260 I'm really looking forward to their analysis on it.

00:13:50.520 And I'll ask MTG, too.

00:13:52.660 There's no question we're seeing a Trump backlash.

00:13:55.100 I mean, there's just, like, what has changed from last November to this one?

00:13:57.860 The biggest thing is Republicans are in power.

00:13:59.940 And in some places, but quite a few of them, we're seeing a backlash.

00:14:04.640 And what exactly it is that they're backlashing to?

00:14:07.720 Ask a different person, you'll get a different answer.

00:14:09.740 My own belief is that President Trump, while he's accomplished a number of amazing things,

00:14:14.400 has not been laser focused on the economy.

00:14:17.060 And that's the number one issue.

00:14:18.560 And they're feeling it.

00:14:19.580 Thank you.

00:14:21.720 Hi, Megan.

00:14:22.600 Hi.

00:14:22.780 My name is Jenna.

00:14:23.860 My daughter says that we are best friends.

00:14:26.320 You just don't know it yet.

00:14:27.640 I love that.

00:14:29.260 I am basically a brunette, less attractive version of you.

00:14:34.760 And so we need to be friends.

00:14:36.860 I am also a brunette.

00:14:37.920 My question is, my daughter is here with me today.

00:14:42.840 And she's 25, and we're a little at odds for the first time in our lives, because I've

00:14:48.720 raised three adult, wonderful conservative children over the Israel issue.

00:14:54.140 So I'm wondering how you think we should be navigating that with the younger generation.

00:14:59.300 Well, that's such a good question.

00:15:01.440 You're not alone.

00:15:03.120 You know, it's so upsetting to me that this thing is dividing the conservative movement

00:15:07.020 right now, you know, that our team is splitting in two over this issue, because we need our

00:15:11.740 team to be unified.

00:15:12.940 You know, we have some truly demonic people on the other side that truly want us dead.

00:15:18.180 So our side needs to stand together.

00:15:20.500 My own take on it is, whatever your views on Israel, you should not let it divide us as

00:15:24.800 Americans.

00:15:25.260 Like, we have to prioritize our country, and we have to have each other's back when it

00:15:28.760 comes to fighting the lunatic left that wants us dead.

00:15:31.620 So that's number one.

00:15:33.160 But I think there's room for good faith disagreements on this issue.

00:15:36.240 You know, the younger generation, I assume she's more opposed to Israel or having questions

00:15:40.560 about Israel, because there are literally no young people left who are backing Israel.

00:15:44.300 I mean, it's truly, it's like, you look at the polls, there are none.

00:15:47.020 And the older generation tends to understand Israel's importance as a strategic ally in the

00:15:51.660 Middle East.

00:15:51.980 So I think just room for grace, because as this conflict has gone on for two years, there

00:15:57.860 are a lot of people who have started to have questions about Israel's behavior.

00:16:01.320 And I think, even for those of us who are questioning it now, it'll dissipate once Israel's off the

00:16:06.580 front pages, and we're focused more on our own issues here in America.

00:16:09.580 And I think maybe not talking about it every day, all day, will help you too, and will help

00:16:14.280 all of us too.

00:16:15.540 It's my thought.

00:16:18.800 Hi there.

00:16:19.840 Hey, Megan, how are you?

00:16:21.000 Great.

00:16:21.340 I'm Vernon Jones.

00:16:22.520 Obviously, I'm here from the good side.

00:16:23.600 Hi there.

00:16:24.520 Thank you all.

00:16:28.560 I just want you to know, I believe that you're as solid as Stone Mountain.

00:16:32.320 We love you.

00:16:33.800 I know Stone Mountain.

00:16:35.080 I've been there.

00:16:35.660 I love it.

00:16:36.600 Well, I just want you to know that your message of faith-based, hard work, getting a good education,

00:16:42.700 that resonates in many communities, not just a white community, a black community, brown

00:16:47.700 community, every community.

00:16:48.880 But the liberal media want to silence you.

00:16:51.120 And I just ask of you, don't back down, don't back off, and don't back away.

00:16:55.020 Fight, fight, fight.

00:16:56.060 Fight, fight, fight.

00:16:57.140 Right on, Vernon.

00:16:58.700 And so I appreciate it.

00:17:00.000 And I'm here tonight because I'm one of those, not only lost a friend, I lost a relative,

00:17:03.660 I lost colleagues, but it doesn't matter.

00:17:07.540 One courageous man in the crowd is the majority, or one courageous person in the crowd is the

00:17:11.460 majority.

00:17:11.920 Yes.

00:17:12.300 So I just want to ask you, will you continue to carry that message and bring more like

00:17:16.760 me and others who feel the way you feel on your show so we can resonate throughout, not

00:17:22.000 only our community, but throughout the state of Georgia and this country.

00:17:24.860 Amen.

00:17:24.940 One hundred percent.

00:17:25.880 I absolutely will.

00:17:26.800 And isn't it great to be together?

00:17:28.580 Isn't it great to know that even though these people have ostracized you, look at all your

00:17:32.860 fellow community members who love you and feel as you do.

00:17:35.500 You're not alone.

00:17:36.200 It's only the liberal media and the haters who want you to think that so they can guilt you

00:17:40.060 into over joining the other side.

00:17:42.080 Don't do it.

00:17:43.120 There are millions.

00:17:44.120 We're in the majority right now.

00:17:45.600 We are in the majority in this country.

00:17:46.880 Hello.

00:17:47.220 Go ahead.

00:17:47.700 Hi.

00:17:47.860 Hi, Megan.

00:17:48.500 I'm Erica from the Palmetto State, South Carolina.

00:17:52.080 Very nice.

00:17:54.440 Your interviews are phenomenal.

00:17:56.860 I love watching them.

00:17:58.140 And I'm just wondering, is there anybody your team hasn't been able to get in that seat

00:18:02.320 to interview?

00:18:03.060 Is there someone on your bucket list that either you're excited about or someone you just want

00:18:08.120 to sink your nails into?

00:18:10.100 Yes.

00:18:10.200 Like who do you want to get a hold of, Megan?

00:18:12.140 Yes, there is 100% a person.

00:18:14.580 And she just produced a TV special that goes by With Love, Megan.

00:18:20.100 Yes.

00:18:21.760 I think we can put it on pay-per-view and I could probably pay off the national debt.

00:18:27.940 Am I wrong?

00:18:29.420 All right, we'll take one more and then we got to wrap it up.

00:18:31.900 Hi, I have a question and then a follow-up question.

00:18:34.760 You got one.

00:18:35.240 My question is, from zero to 100%, if you were to die tonight, do you know that you would

00:18:41.400 go to heaven?

00:18:42.640 Oh, wow.

00:18:43.660 I like to think I would.

00:18:45.260 I've been thinking about it a lot over the past couple of years, not just since Charlie

00:18:48.700 died, but before that, because I had on Father Mike Schmitz on the show and he talked

00:18:54.660 to me about how getting to heaven may not be as easy as we'd like to think.

00:18:57.780 You know, I used to think if you're just a good person, you'll go.

00:19:03.400 I think the truth is, if you are a person of faith, if you believe in Jesus, you're going.

00:19:09.660 But he did talk about how you actually do need to live the faith.

00:19:14.380 You actually do need to focus on doing good deeds and trying to minimize the sin in your

00:19:18.900 life.

00:19:19.280 And when you sin, because we are all sinners, making sure you get in there and make it clean

00:19:22.560 with God.

00:19:23.440 However you need to do it in my church and the Catholic church, you got to go in.

00:19:26.860 And you got to face up to the priest and you got to say all the bad shit you did.

00:19:29.780 It's very awkward.

00:19:32.920 But thank God for the evangelicals and Protestants.

00:19:35.360 They don't have to do that, which is reason enough to join those denominations.

00:19:40.380 But get right with God and do the good deeds.

00:19:42.880 And above all, truly, and I think many people have been having this feeling since Charlie,

00:19:47.160 welcome Jesus into your life.

00:19:48.660 And if you're not feeling it, read up, go to church, be open to it, and ask God for a

00:19:53.820 message that speaks to you as he will deliver.

00:19:56.860 Thank you.

00:19:58.260 Thank you all so much.

00:19:59.780 All right.

00:20:00.060 We're going to get the show started because that's what you're here for.

00:20:03.660 I mentioned the sizzle reels by Jake Whitman.

00:20:06.200 And it's so funny because going through like some of the highlights of the shows with the

00:20:10.640 people who come on often have had us in stitches all along.

00:20:13.760 And we were laughing coming up with the one for Charlie and Rich because they're not stand-up

00:20:18.540 comedians, right?

00:20:19.820 These guys are like policy wonks who can talk about anything.

00:20:22.920 And I said to Jake, just get Charlie talking about anything regarding Kamala Harris.

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00:21:40.560 Please give a warm welcome to one of the rising stars of the conservative movement, Rich Lowry.

00:21:45.280 From Washington, the McLaughlin Group.

00:21:47.660 What do you think of that, Rich Lowry?

00:21:49.320 With all due respect, Eleanor, you're talking about both sides of your mind.

00:21:51.440 It's a fighting operation, no serious healthcare economist would say Medicare is efficient.

00:21:56.040 Rich Lowry is a busy man.

00:21:58.100 You've seen others try to frontly confront Trump and not having it work.

00:22:02.320 Is it just me or is that term, I don't like that term, frontly confront, just take me places

00:22:06.520 I don't want a picture.

00:22:07.320 We'll never make an inappropriate reference like that.

00:22:09.220 Yeah, I know, right, I know, never, never.

00:22:11.180 Tim Walz, to portray himself as this great champion of freedom, reminded me, Bill Buckley

00:22:16.140 had this old line that liberals don't care what you do so long as it's mandatory.

00:22:20.700 And that's how Tim Walz goes.

00:22:22.980 There is breaking news.

00:22:24.720 I want to weep for my country.

00:22:26.760 What a sense of the moment.

00:22:28.160 To know that what that moment called for was strength.

00:22:31.560 One of the things that I like about National Review is that we weren't just there to go

00:22:37.660 off to the left, but we were also there to police our own side.

00:22:40.980 And I've tried to keep that up.

00:22:42.960 It's hard for Barack and I to just be in the world unobserved.

00:22:46.800 She just seems wildly ungrateful that she has lived this extraordinary American life.

00:22:53.000 The Democratic Party is crazy.

00:22:54.740 And they have adopted crazy positions that people, when they learn about them, just recoil

00:23:01.000 from.

00:23:01.680 Stand by.

00:23:02.960 Fox News just called Pennsylvania for Trump.

00:23:05.020 Whoa.

00:23:06.040 Holy cow, you guys.

00:23:08.060 He's the next president of the United States.

00:23:09.460 Wow.

00:23:09.900 Look what happened.

00:23:11.160 Is this crazy?

00:23:16.440 Rich Lally and Charles C.W. Cook, everybody.

00:23:23.500 Woo!

00:23:24.860 Fire!

00:23:31.000 Don't you love the fire?

00:23:40.460 Love the fire.

00:23:42.140 You don't get to walk out to fire every day.

00:23:44.860 So it's amazing, because that clip ended with us on set on my show the night Trump was elected,

00:23:51.200 which was almost exactly a year ago.

00:23:53.300 And now we have some very different news on elections.

00:23:56.720 What happened?

00:23:59.540 Yeah, so first of all, point of personal privilege.

00:24:02.720 Some people who looked quickly through the agenda tonight might have gotten the idea that

00:24:07.440 Rich was singing songs.

00:24:09.080 That's not me, just to be clear.

00:24:11.400 That's the other Rich.

00:24:12.820 Well, I think, Megan, on that night, when you were drinking champagne out of joy and Charlie

00:24:17.940 was drinking champagne on principle, if you had asked us, okay, does this mean Republicans

00:24:24.500 are going to lose Virginia and New Jersey?

00:24:27.280 Of course.

00:24:28.180 Of course.

00:24:28.680 If you win the White House, you always lose those off-year elections.

00:24:33.140 So that wasn't surprising.

00:24:34.180 The margins are a little concerning, though.

00:24:36.820 And what happened, I think initially, we all talked about the vibe shift.

00:24:40.560 There has been a vibe shift.

00:24:41.900 And part of it, there was an instant protest.

00:24:44.480 The Democrats were on their back foot.

00:24:45.940 They didn't seem energized.

00:24:47.640 The party's image is still in the toilet.

00:24:50.300 But they've shown once again, they fear and loathe the president so much.

00:24:55.560 Their people are showing up no matter what.

00:24:57.640 And this wasn't a matter of other Republicans not turning out the Trump vote.

00:25:01.600 Jason Maioris, who unbelievably and stunningly lost to Jay Jones, the guy who muses about murdering

00:25:07.500 Republicans, he matched Youngkin's vote total when Youngkin won the governorship race.

00:25:12.460 It was enough.

00:25:12.900 Siderelli did better in New Jersey than he did four years earlier when he got surprisingly

00:25:18.040 close to Phil Murphy and got wiped out by double digits.

00:25:21.740 So a Democratic wave is coming up here one way or the other next year.

00:25:25.500 What is it in response to, Charlie?

00:25:27.220 Do we know?

00:25:28.320 Like, is it the economy?

00:25:29.240 What would you guess it is?

00:25:32.180 Yeah.

00:25:32.580 I think it's the economy.

00:25:34.380 I think that those elections tend to go the other way.

00:25:38.960 Always.

00:25:40.120 I think that the shutdown, especially in Virginia, hurt the candidates there.

00:25:47.760 I think that Republicans haven't done a particularly good job in explaining the shutdown.

00:25:51.840 I mean, the Republican position on this is actually very simple.

00:25:54.340 Do you think the sombrero meme got it done?

00:25:56.500 Well, actually, I love the sombrero meme, as you know.

00:25:58.360 I did too.

00:25:58.980 I did think that was very funny.

00:26:00.540 But the Republicans have a much better argument, which is we have agreed to the status quo.

00:26:06.060 They're not asking for anything.

00:26:07.200 There's no extortion there.

00:26:08.320 They said, we'll continue as we are, and then we can debate once the government's open.

00:26:12.900 But they haven't stuck to that line particularly well, and I wonder if that's hurt.

00:26:16.040 So now we have Trump talking about the nuclear option, getting rid of the filibuster.

00:26:21.900 Have you guys been hearing about this?

00:26:23.900 Trump wants to do it.

00:26:25.480 He says, Trump wants them to get rid of it once and for all so that minority rights in

00:26:31.300 the Senate would be severely compromised.

00:26:32.740 Not gone.

00:26:33.400 I mean, you still have to get a 51% majority to get legislation through, but we no longer

00:26:36.720 would have to have 60 votes to get a vote on the legislation.

00:26:40.880 This has been bandied about for quite some time now.

00:26:43.720 I know you're against it.

00:26:44.960 There's no way you're in favor of this.

00:26:46.380 You're a strict constitutionalist.

00:26:47.920 But this wasn't in the Constitution.

00:26:49.480 This came about in the 1800s, and it didn't really become standard practice until the

00:26:53.580 early 1900s, this 60-vote thing.

00:26:56.720 And the argument by Trump and others is, if we don't do it now, the Democrats are 100%

00:27:02.000 going to do it just as soon as they get back in power and pass all their stuff with just

00:27:05.580 a 51 majority.

00:27:06.680 So why not?

00:27:08.820 Yeah, I think this would be a mistake.

00:27:10.020 One, the shutdown is going to end, I think, probably within the next week or two.

00:27:13.740 Democrats already climbed down.

00:27:15.380 The initial demand was extend these Obamacare subsidies forever.

00:27:19.920 Now it's extend them for one year.

00:27:21.940 I think there'll be a deal around, we'll guarantee you there'll be a vote on the Obamacare subsidies,

00:27:26.900 a vote that may or may not happen.

00:27:28.580 But otherwise, what big things does Trump want legislatively?

00:27:33.440 What he really wanted was the one big, beautiful bill, and he got it.

00:27:37.060 And most of the other stuff that he wants to do, he can do unilaterally, right?

00:27:41.520 Whether it's tariffs or blowing up drug boats off the coast of Venezuela.

00:27:46.940 And there you go.

00:27:48.800 We're in the South now.

00:27:49.640 So even Republicans will eliminate it and still lose the House next year, which means it doesn't

00:27:56.900 matter what the vote threshold is in the Senate.

00:27:58.920 And then, God forbid, if you get unified control by Democrats in 2028, you've taken out the

00:28:06.340 one check to them adding D.C. as a state, packing the Supreme Court.

00:28:11.480 And yes, the left will be desperate to eliminate the filibuster, but it doesn't mean they'll be

00:28:15.200 able to do it.

00:28:16.140 There are probably about 10 Democrats who think this is a bad idea and don't want to

00:28:21.760 do it in the Senate.

00:28:22.960 So I just think that the upside is very small as a practical matter.

00:28:27.300 The downside could be huge.

00:28:29.460 And then there's a deeper argument about how our government should work that maybe Charlie

00:28:32.560 can take on.

00:28:33.280 It's supposed to be the, what is it, on the teacup, it's supposed to be like the saucer

00:28:37.340 or whatever.

00:28:37.740 I don't remember the analogy, but the Senate is supposed to be the more somber body where

00:28:41.240 things are supposed to be really hard to get through because they have six years in office

00:28:45.580 and they don't really have to respond to the constituents right away.

00:28:48.260 And if we're kind of taking that away, if we change it.

00:28:50.580 Yeah.

00:28:50.760 And also the practical point is that anything that the Republicans did now with an abolished

00:28:55.500 filibuster, the Democrats can reverse.

00:28:58.200 So there's a lot of things I would like to see.

00:29:00.000 For example, you do election integrity and then in three years time, it gets reversed the

00:29:06.480 other way.

00:29:06.820 And they say, actually, you're not allowed voter ID.

00:29:08.660 And then you've set that precedent.

00:29:10.040 But to me, the biggest reason not to do it is the Constitution is supposed to allow a

00:29:15.320 lot of room for the states.

00:29:16.900 Now, we're in Georgia.

00:29:18.100 I think Georgia is a very well-run state.

00:29:20.480 I think Georgia is a much better run state than, say, California.

00:29:23.780 Well, exactly right.

00:29:28.180 Except that the guy who runs California right now, everyone's favorite, Gavin Newsom, wants

00:29:32.760 to be president.

00:29:33.980 So let's assume Gavin Newsom becomes president and then everyone's other favorite, Alexandria

00:29:38.920 Ocasio-Cortez, becomes a senator.

00:29:42.540 What they want to do more than anything is essentially litigate Georgia out of existence

00:29:46.780 with federal law.

00:29:47.840 And one of the things that stops that, having lost a lot of the constitutional protections

00:29:52.580 in the New Deal is the filibuster.

00:29:54.340 The filibuster has proven very good at preventing the federal government from taking too much

00:29:59.760 power.

00:30:00.140 I know it's done it anyway.

00:30:01.340 But too much power that you would really, really notice.

00:30:05.340 And I don't want to lose that.

00:30:07.500 Here's what I worry about.

00:30:08.900 Let's say they did it.

00:30:10.260 They don't have the votes right now.

00:30:11.720 The Republicans don't have the votes.

00:30:12.960 But let's say they did it, like, soon.

00:30:15.300 And Trump started pushing through legislation.

00:30:17.220 Boom, boom, boom.

00:30:18.260 There is no chance there wouldn't be a bloodbath in the midterms.

00:30:21.900 I mean, Americans tend to like divided government.

00:30:24.800 They don't want any one branch or one party to have too much power.

00:30:28.520 And I think the Republicans would definitely lose the House and the Senate if they pushed

00:30:32.440 it through.

00:30:33.140 And so it'd be a very short joyride for not that much return.

00:30:37.820 And I mean, the loss of the Senate seats could go dangerously high.

00:30:42.400 People are going to want to send a message that they do like minority rights.

00:30:45.600 So I just think it's, you're playing with fire.

00:30:47.520 So I'm not in favor of it personally.

00:30:48.780 Not yet.

00:30:49.100 I haven't seen a case.

00:30:50.680 Okay, let's keep going because there's more to talk about.

00:30:52.620 One question I forgot to ask you on the elections.

00:30:55.360 One of the problems that the Republicans seem to have is they can't win without Trump.

00:31:00.820 And, you know, Trump remade the party in his image and people will get off of their couch

00:31:04.720 to go vote for Trump.

00:31:05.800 He got the low propensity voters to get up and do something they didn't usually do,

00:31:09.720 which is vote for him.

00:31:10.880 And when Big Daddy's not on the ticket, people are like, those people are boring and I don't

00:31:14.840 have any connection to them.

00:31:16.560 So how do they solve for that in the next year?

00:31:20.660 They don't.

00:31:22.100 This is a huge problem.

00:31:24.020 And Trump posted on Truth Social immediately, I wasn't on the ballot and that's why we lost.

00:31:28.240 And that's a huge element.

00:31:28.900 And he loves that.

00:31:30.160 Unfortunately, he enjoys that.

00:31:31.500 But the problem is, unless he's going to be run for, you know, Senate from Florida,

00:31:36.600 whatever it is, he's not going to be on a ballot ever again.

00:31:39.240 So this is a huge issue.

00:31:40.720 And it came up in the 2024 campaign.

00:31:42.560 There's something he said that I didn't think that was that great.

00:31:45.440 I was talking to some shrewd political observer.

00:31:47.280 I was like, I don't know how this is going to affect fence sitters.

00:31:50.120 And this guy said, Rich, there are no fence sitters.

00:31:53.100 What there are are couch sitters, right?

00:31:55.220 This is a young guy who is playing video games all day long on his couch, probably has a bong

00:32:01.520 on the coffee table, and maybe an OnlyFans account.

00:32:04.580 And that's the guy that Trump has to turn out.

00:32:07.380 I was like, oh, hell.

00:32:08.520 But you know what?

00:32:09.480 You know who helped turn him out?

00:32:11.020 It's Charlie Kirk, right?

00:32:12.140 And Charlie had a deeper mission, by the way, to save that guy, right?

00:32:16.520 And to show him that there's a higher purpose to life than just doing that, just getting

00:32:21.360 married, having faith in God.

00:32:23.520 But who else can reach and motivate that kind of young man?

00:32:28.000 I'm not sure who it is.

00:32:29.540 So this is a huge issue for the party going forward.

00:32:32.220 We need better candidates.

00:32:34.060 All right, I want to keep going.

00:32:35.100 Supreme Court got a question last night, and it was a good one, about whether Republicans

00:32:41.760 need to worry about being in an RBG situation with our own aging conservatives on the court,

00:32:47.160 in particular Alito and Thomas.

00:32:49.580 And, you know, you say to, like, true conservatives, what do you think about kind of nudging Alito

00:32:53.900 and Thomas out?

00:32:54.640 And you get a sick feeling in the pit of your stomach, like, no, but much rather have Trump

00:32:59.740 replace them than a Kamala Harris or a President Ocasio-Cortez or Newsom.

00:33:05.860 My God, my stomach just turned again.

00:33:08.060 So what are your thoughts on the Supreme Court and the seats?

00:33:12.040 Yeah, I worry about this.

00:33:13.400 I mean, I think Clarence Thomas is one of the greatest Americans in the history of the

00:33:17.120 United States.

00:33:18.060 Yes.

00:33:20.100 And I also understand if Clarence Thomas doesn't want to voluntarily give up his role,

00:33:26.480 given what they did to him when he was getting it.

00:33:29.080 Yeah.

00:33:29.720 I also think to replace Clarence Thomas with a Ketanji Brown Jackson or a Sonia Sotomayor

00:33:35.680 would be a disaster.

00:33:37.620 And this is one of the things, if you look at the first Trump election, that swayed a lot

00:33:41.320 of people, Justice Scalia died, and they looked at who Barack Obama had put on the court before,

00:33:46.800 and they said, absolutely not.

00:33:48.900 So I don't want to see that.

00:33:50.140 But at the same time, I mean, the idea of telling the guy, you need to retire now is

00:33:54.220 obviously grotesque.

00:33:55.220 Maybe he will sense this himself.

00:33:57.760 I do think there's a greater chance Republicans will lose the Senate now than I did before the

00:34:01.620 elections this week.

00:34:02.540 So I hope it doesn't happen.

00:34:03.980 It's terrifying.

00:34:04.840 So what do you think?

00:34:05.320 I mean, do you think if, you know, people around Thomas and maybe even Alito should be saying

00:34:09.860 better now than later?

00:34:11.800 I think Clarence, it was such a scarring experience for him, that confirmation battle.

00:34:17.900 But by the way, these kind of confirmation battles are sort of a good thing because it

00:34:21.860 ensures once someone's through that, they are not bending a knee ever, right?

00:34:26.580 And Clarence never will.

00:34:28.100 But the more he hears from outsiders that he should retire, I think the less inclined

00:34:32.400 he would be to do it.

00:34:34.120 But we can't have the RBG thing, which is so perverse for their side because she was

00:34:38.500 clearly failing, right?

00:34:39.900 They're in danger of losing the presidency.

00:34:42.080 And the whole left was like, you go, girl, you know, stay there until you're age 105.

00:34:46.660 And then she, you know, unfortunately passes away.

00:34:49.160 Like, now what?

00:34:50.060 Right?

00:34:50.420 So we didn't want to do that to ourselves.

00:34:51.840 No, I was covering the high court many times and she was there and Alito had just been elevated

00:34:56.060 to the bench.

00:34:56.740 And as the new guy, he was seated next to RBG for a while.

00:34:59.560 And she was falling asleep in the middle of the, it was very Joe Biden-esque, in the

00:35:04.300 middle of the arguments.

00:35:05.360 And you could see Alito like, what do I do?

00:35:09.160 Do I nudge her?

00:35:10.380 Like, I'm the new guy.

00:35:11.120 I'm not sure I'm allowed to nudge her.

00:35:12.600 And she stayed too long, you know, like so many of them, like Nancy Pelosi, who finally

00:35:17.100 appears to be ready to hang up her congressional hat at age 85.

00:35:22.000 But as you guys pointed out in National Review, the person we appear to be getting instead

00:35:26.840 of Pelosi is a complete and total lunatic.

00:35:31.400 His name is Scott Wiener.

00:35:33.220 And just as bad as he sounds, he's worse than that.

00:35:38.060 Yeah, I mean, lunatic is one word.

00:35:40.060 Creep is another.

00:35:41.640 And look, I have lots of friends who disagree with me on politics.

00:35:45.480 I think it's important to know people who disagree with us on politics.

00:35:48.700 But this guy's politics are really weird.

00:35:50.660 He has pushed through in California a whole bunch of bills to do with changing the crimes

00:35:57.860 that people are charged with if they commit, you know, sex crimes with minors.

00:36:03.640 This is his obsession.

00:36:04.960 This is his obsession.

00:36:07.240 He is, if you were to sort of put up on a pedestal the worst side of the Democratic Party,

00:36:13.340 the weirdest side of the Democratic Party is this guy.

00:36:15.460 So actually, we might look back fondly on Nancy Pelosi and her hedge fund trading.

00:36:21.200 That's a great moment, American.

00:36:22.120 Think of how radical you have to be in order to make Nancy look good.

00:36:24.980 Let me show you.

00:36:25.400 I pulled a little soundbite of him because most people don't know him.

00:36:27.840 I don't know if you guys remember early in the show, we used to have Britt Mayer and

00:36:30.940 Carrie Prejean come on together, like the most beautiful and attractive panel known to man.

00:36:35.700 They're both former beauty queens and also very smart, and they're Californians.

00:36:38.380 And this guy was right in their crosshairs as mama warriors because he's very, very pro-transing your child.

00:36:46.700 And they would follow him around with their iPhones, like, Representative Wiener, what are you doing?

00:36:50.900 Why are you doing this?

00:36:51.560 And he's just an aggressive, bad guy, in my opinion.

00:36:54.440 But here's just a little taste of what he sounds like at SOT 1.

00:36:57.960 What SB 107 says is that if you have a family, parents and children that are in a state like Texas, and they feel unsafe because they feel like they're going to be criminalized and attacked, and they need to leave that state,

00:37:12.640 they can come to California, and we will protect them, that we will do everything in our power not to send them back to Texas or Alabama or any of these other states for criminal prosecution,

00:37:25.100 that we're not going to honor subpoenas from those states for medical records, and that these parents and these kids, these families can be safe here.

00:37:33.740 But the opponents who are trying to attack trans kids, trying to drive them to suicide, pretend they don't exist,

00:37:41.580 and then criminalize the parents who are supporting their trans kids, these opponents are lying about the bill and claiming that it somehow undermines parental rights.

00:37:50.660 It's the exact opposite. It supports parents.

00:37:54.440 Every single piece of legislation, every other one is about trans kids.

00:37:58.060 And by the way, you heard the lies in there, right?

00:37:59.720 Like, the trans kids who are just going to commit suicide unless they come to California where he's creating a haven, a safe haven for them.

00:38:06.520 Like, he follows all the tropes that have been pushed, even at the Supreme Court, falsely.

00:38:10.160 And I do think this guy is a dangerous dude.

00:38:12.880 Yeah, this idea of the sanctuary, you're encouraging runaways from the rest of the country, these troubled kids.

00:38:18.220 So I think this is a key prism through which you can understand the last 20 years of cultural politics in America, right?

00:38:24.340 They thought they could just add letters to the amalgamation of letters and always inevitably win.

00:38:28.940 So LGB, they won on that, right?

00:38:32.260 They're not going to bother you.

00:38:33.460 They're going to get married.

00:38:34.000 It's not going to be a problem.

00:38:34.700 It's kind of a libertarian argument.

00:38:35.740 They added Q, and no one had a problem with Q because no one knows what Q is, right?

00:38:40.580 Literally no.

00:38:41.020 The whole point of being Q, I think, is that you don't know what you are.

00:38:44.280 So that was fine.

00:38:45.500 But then it was the T.

00:38:46.980 And they thought T is inevitable, the next great moral struggle and civil rights struggle over time.

00:38:53.200 But the insanity and imposition that have come with the letter T have caused a backlash, not just among everyone in this room, but 70, 80% of the American public.

00:39:03.960 And we're winning this issue, not just in transports and the medical procedures, but fewer young people are embracing non-traditional sexual identity.

00:39:13.840 Yes.

00:39:14.480 And that's the core issue.

00:39:15.880 Because all of you found your voice and started talking about it.

00:39:18.020 Yeah, this is an infernal trend.

00:39:20.640 And, you know, women, especially young girls, are very suggestible.

00:39:24.480 Jonathan Haidt, the great social scientist, points out if you have a group of friends who are girls and one of them gets anxious and depressed, all of them tend to get anxious and depressed.

00:39:33.100 Now, guys, if one of their guy friends gets anxious and depressed, they don't care.

00:39:36.220 But the girls are very suggestible.

00:39:37.800 So what we've done, we've encouraged this identity, and then you encourage it on one marginal person, and then it spreads among everyone else.

00:39:47.020 That is finally being reversed.

00:39:48.840 But we won't win a final victory until we crush guys like that.

00:39:52.240 Absolutely right.

00:39:53.160 All right, let's end it on a nice note.

00:39:55.200 Charles, how many years have you been an American citizen now?

00:39:58.760 I became an American citizen in 2018.

00:40:01.620 So that's seven.

00:40:03.100 Thank you.

00:40:03.480 And I love the story of how you realized that you loved America, wanted to live in America, and needed to move here ASAP.

00:40:14.660 Can you talk about that?

00:40:15.900 Well, which one is it?

00:40:16.780 I have so many stories.

00:40:18.440 I was three when I first realized.

00:40:20.260 Well, you were over at Oxford, and you were reading about the founders.

00:40:24.140 Oh, yes.

00:40:24.360 Well, that was, yeah.

00:40:25.220 So I studied American history in college because I found it more interesting than my own history.

00:40:30.600 And, but it is, it is.

00:40:34.040 If you look at those ideas, and you look at those people, and you look at the story of your revolution, it's extraordinarily inspiring.

00:40:40.960 I mean, these are great ideas.

00:40:42.380 These are ideas you don't find anywhere else.

00:40:44.140 And once you've looked at them, and once you've embraced them, everywhere else seems quite boring, to be honest with you.

00:40:51.500 And so you decided you, too, wanted to be a revolutionary.

00:40:54.540 Yeah, I wanted to be a revolutionary.

00:40:55.940 I mean, I didn't tell the immigration services that, because I think it would have sounded pretty bad on my application.

00:41:00.500 But I wanted to embrace the existing revolutionaries, put it that way.

00:41:03.960 And how did you wind up in the South?

00:41:06.800 Yeah, well, my wife and I, we lived in New York and then in Connecticut.

00:41:11.360 And when we were having our second child, we started looking around for houses that could fit the growing family.

00:41:17.220 And that just wasn't an option.

00:41:18.500 And then we looked down in, am I allowed to say Florida in Georgia?

00:41:21.880 We're great rivals, aren't we?

00:41:23.580 Georgia was full.

00:41:24.480 That's the only reason he didn't come here.

00:41:26.040 We looked down in Florida, and we moved down.

00:41:28.360 We've never looked back.

00:41:29.020 Best decision we ever made.

00:41:30.440 Awesome.

00:41:31.720 Guys, I love you so much.

00:41:33.140 Thanks so much for all you do for the show.

00:41:34.980 Love your smart sound analysis and your great senses of humor.

00:41:38.060 Thank you, Megan.

00:41:38.700 Yeah, we appreciate it.

00:41:40.080 Rich Lowry and Charles C.W. Cook, everybody.

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00:42:57.660 Our next guest is so popular here in Georgia that she got several questions when she wasn't even standing on the stage.

00:43:03.140 I don't think Marjorie Taylor Greene needs much of an introduction here, but I think, remember how John McCain used to call himself Maverick?

00:43:13.540 I think she's a true Maverick.

00:43:16.100 Hugely popular, self-made, comes from a family that worked construction.

00:43:20.780 All she wanted to do is actually help American citizens in her hometown.

00:43:24.700 She's exactly the idea that the founders had when they thought about citizen congressmen and women to go to Congress and actually do something.

00:43:31.600 She doesn't spend her time in Washington, D.C.

00:43:33.320 She's not at all the Georgia, Georgetown cocktail parties.

00:43:36.460 She's down here at the Georgia cocktail parties where she belongs.

00:43:39.420 And she does not care whom she offends, what party line she bucks.

00:43:44.640 She cares about you guys.

00:43:46.740 Watch this.

00:43:47.200 If you had all the death threats I have, you could, you can understand why I feel that way sometimes.

00:43:55.160 Oh, you do.

00:43:55.780 I get them from both sides.

00:43:57.100 Oh, yeah.

00:43:57.640 Me too, lately.

00:43:58.760 Oh, yeah.

00:43:59.260 Lately.

00:43:59.740 Yeah, yeah.

00:44:01.720 People say you are Trump in high heels.

00:44:05.320 Why don't you fuck off?

00:44:06.340 How about that?

00:44:06.980 I think our government deserves it.

00:44:08.660 Here you are, without your mask, and everyone else was forced to stay home.

00:44:14.240 You belong in prison.

00:44:15.920 This whole city sucks.

00:44:17.160 And I say, enough.

00:44:18.840 I mean, I want to say the F word.

00:44:20.440 You can on this podcast.

00:44:21.520 Oh, good.

00:44:21.660 I was like, fuck it.

00:44:22.640 I'm running for Congress.

00:44:23.780 The first reaction is, Marjorie's crazy.

00:44:27.400 Marjorie's extreme.

00:44:28.620 And then they find out, oh, maybe she's not crazy.

00:44:31.760 Let me tell you what AOC has never done.

00:44:34.500 She's never created one job.

00:44:36.500 Are your feelings hurt?

00:44:37.700 Move her words down.

00:44:38.860 Aw.

00:44:39.280 Oh, oh, girl.

00:44:40.400 Baby girl.

00:44:41.400 Oh, really?

00:44:42.180 I'm dying to ask you about Jasmine Crockett.

00:44:44.120 Oh, boy.

00:44:44.720 I think your fake eyelashes are messing up.

00:44:46.940 Total explosion.

00:44:48.560 Beach blonde, bad-built Bush body.

00:44:50.860 She's nasty, too.

00:44:52.220 She's nasty.

00:44:52.880 She's as fake as her eyelashes.

00:44:54.880 She's as fake as her hair.

00:44:56.320 There's a reporting that President Trump called to ask, what's going on with Marjorie?

00:45:00.300 He knows how to call me, and he can ask me himself.

00:45:02.580 I got elected on my own.

00:45:04.320 I didn't get elected with a Trump endorsement.

00:45:06.420 I'm not afraid to name names.

00:45:07.860 I will walk in that Capitol on the House floor, and I'll say every damn name that abused these women.

00:45:14.900 He's going to get mad at you for saying that thing about the Epstein file.

00:45:19.560 I'm a mom.

00:45:20.420 I'm going to be 1,000% fighting for them over any politician in any party.

00:45:27.280 So cool.

00:45:51.480 Absolutely.

00:45:52.040 There's no cooler Congresswoman than you.

00:45:54.400 Thank you.

00:45:56.000 My mom's out there somewhere, and she's probably like, golly, that was a lot of cuss words.

00:46:00.880 Sorry, Mom.

00:46:02.140 Same.

00:46:02.720 My mom feels the same.

00:46:03.880 It's not her favorite part of the show.

00:46:06.460 All right.

00:46:07.240 So the view.

00:46:09.500 Why on earth would you go into that snake pit?

00:46:14.520 They invited me.

00:46:16.880 Seriously.

00:46:18.240 So this is interesting.

00:46:20.800 There's a group of hardcore America First people like me that are blacklisted on Fox News.

00:46:28.320 They fired Tucker Carlson, and pretty much ever since that.

00:46:31.800 Tucker used to have me on when he was on Fox News.

00:46:34.220 Yep.

00:46:34.560 And ever since then, I'm pretty much blacklisted.

00:46:37.680 They'll talk about me on Fox News.

00:46:39.500 They'll show videos of me and things that I said, but they never have me on.

00:46:43.460 And so I've done mostly conservative podcasts and so forth, did your show, which is amazing.

00:46:51.100 I do Tucker's show, Steve Bannon, different shows like that.

00:46:55.180 But they actually invited, and I thought to myself, you know what?

00:46:59.340 I definitely would like to talk to them and talk to their audience.

00:47:02.660 And so I decided that our country is so toxic, politically toxic, and it really bothers me

00:47:11.660 because ever since Charlie was assassinated, I'm concerned of where that's going, especially

00:47:17.740 for our kids' generation and on.

00:47:21.200 And I'm a Christian, and I pray the Lord's Prayer every day.

00:47:25.240 And here lately, I've been thinking a lot about Charlie Kirk and what Erica said.

00:47:31.100 She forgave the man that killed her husband, which is unbelievable.

00:47:37.520 But I've been thinking a lot about how we say, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those

00:47:43.200 who trespass against us.

00:47:45.480 And we can say those words, but if we're not willing to live them in action, then we're not

00:47:51.420 doing what we're supposed to do.

00:47:53.100 So I've kind of changed my outlook.

00:47:57.280 Thank you.

00:47:59.040 And so I went on, and I decided I would like to have a nice conversation with these women,

00:48:04.760 share my views with them and their audience, and try to put those words into action.

00:48:11.160 Okay, here's my question for you, though, because it's no accident they invited you on now.

00:48:17.100 Because you've been saying some things critical of Speaker Johnson, had some criticism of Trump,

00:48:23.100 critical on the Epstein files, as we saw there.

00:48:25.820 And it did remind me a little bit of what Roger Ailes once told me.

00:48:29.520 He said, when the left-wing blogs start praising you, that's when you have to worry.

00:48:36.080 So do your constituents need to worry that you're moderating over to the left side?

00:48:43.220 No, that's impossible, everybody.

00:48:48.120 No, here's where I'm at.

00:48:52.340 I'm so America first, I'm America only.

00:48:57.000 Yep.

00:48:58.780 And Megan, to be honest with you, I campaigned all over the country for five years for President

00:49:05.540 Trump.

00:49:06.240 Did that.

00:49:07.140 He didn't ask me to.

00:49:07.980 I did it on my own.

00:49:09.020 Loved the man.

00:49:10.260 Spent millions of dollars.

00:49:11.640 I don't even know how many rallies I've been to.

00:49:14.740 I totally lost count, went to so many states.

00:49:17.580 I can't even remember how many I went to.

00:49:20.580 I want our agenda passed into law.

00:49:25.600 That's what I want.

00:49:27.120 And I am very upset as a member of Congress that we are not passing our bills that are the

00:49:34.020 agenda that the people voted for.

00:49:35.660 How?

00:49:36.040 How can you?

00:49:36.540 Not our executive orders, his executive orders.

00:49:40.740 We all have bills that reflect them.

00:49:42.520 I mean, you could get them through the House potentially, but you're not going to get them

00:49:44.860 through the Senate unless they get rid of that filibuster.

00:49:46.900 Well, it doesn't matter, though.

00:49:48.880 Here's the thing.

00:49:49.760 I serve in the House.

00:49:51.300 We should get our job done.

00:49:53.140 It's not about we should get our job done and then let the Senate do their job.

00:49:57.880 And as a member of Congress, I believe in transparency for all the people here.

00:50:02.640 They need to see our voting records.

00:50:05.020 And they need to see these out.

00:50:06.740 You were just showing Scott Wiener.

00:50:09.340 I have a bill called Protect Children's Innocence Act that makes it a felony to perform gender

00:50:15.180 affirming care on any minor.

00:50:17.980 Makes it a felony.

00:50:19.880 Great.

00:50:20.760 That bill needs a vote.

00:50:22.420 That bill needs a vote.

00:50:24.220 And honestly, Californians, you need to defeat the wiener.

00:50:29.940 You have to do it.

00:50:31.380 You may love it.

00:50:32.520 It's got to go.

00:50:34.180 I agree.

00:50:34.860 He's super dangerous.

00:50:35.920 I wanted to show you.

00:50:36.540 That's the only one we'll cut off.

00:50:43.260 I wanted to show you one thing.

00:50:44.900 I know you know how ridiculous and awful the left can be.

00:50:50.460 You definitely know this.

00:50:51.540 But Sonny Hostin, and if she has you on over there, she is Sonny Hostel.

00:50:57.100 She really is.

00:50:59.020 No sooner did you leave, and you did them a favor.

00:51:01.200 You spiked their ratings.

00:51:02.400 You let them sort of telegraph to the United States that, okay, we'd entertain a conservative

00:51:06.900 here.

00:51:07.660 And no sooner had you left than she went out there and started ripping on her.

00:51:12.200 Here's a little bit of what that sounded like.

00:51:14.500 I don't think she's changed.

00:51:15.980 I did ask her, are we seeing an evolution?

00:51:18.080 And she specifically, I think, responded, no, I'm the same person.

00:51:21.760 So, you know, she's a big age.

00:51:23.340 She's in her 50s.

00:51:24.140 And so I think at a big age, in my experience, people don't change, but they may behave differently

00:51:28.740 because they want something.

00:51:32.120 And I think she aspires to hire office.

00:51:34.660 Perhaps it's the Senate.

00:51:35.900 Perhaps it's even the presidency.

00:51:37.580 I don't know.

00:51:38.580 But I don't know that we saw a different Marjorie Taylor Greene.

00:51:43.540 I thought that we, you know, saw just someone behaving differently.

00:51:48.400 Behaving differently.

00:51:49.560 So she questions your sincerity.

00:51:51.100 You're after something.

00:51:52.100 So you're acting.

00:51:53.080 Right.

00:51:53.440 I've been dealing with this for weeks.

00:51:55.560 So here's the only thing that I know to be true.

00:51:59.120 The only person I can control is myself.

00:52:01.720 I can't affect anyone else's words or opinions of me, but I very much know who I am as a person.

00:52:08.680 She's right.

00:52:09.100 I am at a big age.

00:52:10.440 I am.

00:52:11.200 And when you get to be in your 50s, you know who you are.

00:52:15.860 I call them your fucking 50s.

00:52:17.400 Yes.

00:52:19.940 This is who I am.

00:52:21.440 That's right.

00:52:22.180 Exactly.

00:52:23.040 And here's the deal.

00:52:24.700 I ran for Congress in 2020 extremely angry at Democrats and Republicans.

00:52:30.620 And I was mad at Republicans because they never follow through and put into action the things they promise.

00:52:37.460 And I'm sick of it.

00:52:38.560 I really am.

00:52:40.320 And so for me, this is our one-time opportunity, Megan.

00:52:46.160 We got this one shot.

00:52:48.000 And I feel like our majority is being ruined.

00:52:50.620 I really do.

00:52:51.580 By what exactly?

00:52:53.200 In action.

00:52:54.760 I voted to fund the government on September 18th.

00:52:58.740 And then guess what?

00:52:59.780 We haven't been to work since.

00:53:01.800 But whose fault is that?

00:53:02.820 Mike Johnson's.

00:53:04.020 Why?

00:53:05.080 He's told us not to come back.

00:53:08.040 He's keeping the House out of session.

00:53:10.440 All the American people are working every single day.

00:53:13.700 Chuck Schumer.

00:53:14.380 You don't think it's related to the shutdown?

00:53:15.520 Chuck Schumer's in the Senate, everybody.

00:53:17.480 Mike Johnson is in the House.

00:53:19.100 He's the Speaker of the House.

00:53:20.480 And he can bring us into session where we can be passing our bills.

00:53:27.220 We can have our committees at work.

00:53:29.480 We can be working on getting rid of Obamacare and saving the health insurance crisis that we have in this country.

00:53:35.560 Let me ask you about that.

00:53:36.440 Let me ask you about that.

00:53:36.980 Because some people have said, okay, it sounds great.

00:53:40.160 Get rid of Obamacare.

00:53:41.040 Most people hate it.

00:53:42.060 But have you proposed anything specifically to replace it?

00:53:45.660 So here, let's talk about Obamacare.

00:53:47.740 It was passed in 2010.

00:53:49.620 Yeah.

00:53:50.080 And then it went into effect in 2014.

00:53:52.780 2014, my family's health insurance policy went from $800 a month to over $2,400 a month.

00:54:00.260 Destroyed our health insurance.

00:54:02.720 Destroyed the industry.

00:54:03.640 Many companies went out of the market.

00:54:06.760 There hasn't been competition in the market since.

00:54:09.760 And then we saw in 2021, the Democrats passed the ACA tax credits.

00:54:14.980 What did that do?

00:54:16.040 That has skyrocketed costs.

00:54:17.700 And they expire this year.

00:54:18.880 The Democrats did that.

00:54:20.680 Everyone needs to understand that.

00:54:22.060 They basically artificially lowered the cost of Obamacare.

00:54:25.420 Okay, hold on over there.

00:54:26.620 We can't hear you.

00:54:27.140 I'm doing this interview.

00:54:28.360 They lowered the cost of Obamacare with these subsidies to try to make you think it's less expensive

00:54:33.600 than it is.

00:54:34.420 And those are about to expire.

00:54:35.920 They pay the insurance companies directly.

00:54:38.880 So the tax credits, they don't go to the people.

00:54:41.420 They go directly to the insurance companies.

00:54:43.860 But you see, Trump today was suggesting we should change that and that he should give

00:54:48.160 the money right directly to the people and not to the insurance companies.

00:54:50.440 I think we have to do more.

00:54:52.440 I think we have got to do more.

00:54:53.220 What specifically?

00:54:54.120 Well, we need to build the off-ramp off of Obamacare and off of the tax credits.

00:54:58.840 Do we need a new health care plan entirely?

00:55:00.180 Do we need Trump care?

00:55:01.280 What do we need?

00:55:01.680 We need to empower HSAs.

00:55:03.780 We need to empower associations where groups can join together and get lower costs.

00:55:09.420 Companies like Costco, Amazon, they could mass sell health insurance plans and that would

00:55:15.280 lower the cost.

00:55:16.960 PBMs, we've got to cut out the middleman and we really need price transparency.

00:55:21.860 People, you need to know how much it costs when you go to the hospital for a surgery.

00:55:26.400 When you, any procedure you have, you shouldn't go in and have that and then have bills just

00:55:32.580 keep coming for months and months and on end if you don't know.

00:55:37.400 We need competition.

00:55:38.780 So what about Epstein?

00:55:42.000 What's going on?

00:55:43.060 Because the left, if you tune in to CNN or MSNBC any day right now, they think the whole

00:55:48.680 government shutdown on the Republican side is because they don't want to do any work because

00:55:53.140 they don't want to have any votes on Epstein.

00:55:54.740 Right.

00:55:55.060 What do you think?

00:55:56.300 I tell you what, I've started to question, is this why we're not in session?

00:56:01.540 Really?

00:56:02.080 Yeah.

00:56:03.040 This is that the discharge petition is sitting there.

00:56:06.480 Explain that.

00:56:07.160 So, everyone, for how many years now, all of us have been calling to release the Epstein files.

00:56:15.360 And Thomas Massey entered a resolution to release, yeah.

00:56:21.760 And I'm a co-sponsor.

00:56:23.780 I want to release the Epstein files.

00:56:26.740 And it's been blocked over and over, unfortunately.

00:56:31.360 And so there's a discharge petition.

00:56:33.180 So just so you know, as a member of Congress, I cannot force my bills to the floor for a vote.

00:56:40.180 Only the Speaker can decide to bring a bill to the floor for a vote.

00:56:45.140 And so when the Speaker is refusing to bring a bill forward, if 218 members of Congress

00:56:51.800 get together and all sign a discharge petition and we put our name on there, it overrides the

00:56:58.280 Speaker and it's forced to the floor for a vote.

00:57:00.640 So right now, there's 217 signatures.

00:57:07.340 And there is one…

00:57:08.460 Mostly Dems.

00:57:09.300 Yeah, mostly Dems.

00:57:10.400 There's only four Republicans, Thomas Massey, myself, Nancy Mace, and Lauren Boebert.

00:57:18.740 We're the only Republicans on the discharge petition.

00:57:22.060 Why are they so averse to it?

00:57:24.560 Well, there's a lot of information that's coming out of our oversight investigation.

00:57:31.320 I also serve on the Oversight Committee.

00:57:33.460 So I'm involved in that investigation.

00:57:36.120 And there was a batch of emails released just recently that showed that Jeffrey Epstein worked

00:57:42.900 closely with Israel on different military contracts, their intel agencies, Mossad and so forth.

00:57:51.600 I've been reliably told you're anti-Semitic if you say that.

00:57:55.140 Yeah, that's like the thing.

00:57:56.560 But MIGA cannot override MAGA.

00:58:02.120 And I can criticize any foreign country that I want to because I'm an American and I have

00:58:07.460 free speech.

00:58:08.240 MIGA being make Israel great again.

00:58:10.080 Yes.

00:58:10.320 And it's not anti-Semitic to criticize a government.

00:58:18.000 It's not.

00:58:19.060 And it's not anti-Semitic to talk about Jeffrey Epstein and his ties with any foreign country,

00:58:25.320 whether it was Israel or the UK or the United States.

00:58:30.020 That's not anti-Semitic.

00:58:32.320 And it's not hating on anyone.

00:58:35.140 I certainly don't hate anyone, but I definitely am concerned about any foreign country's influence

00:58:42.700 on our own, especially when it comes to members of Congress.

00:58:48.700 You got some agreement out there.

00:58:50.940 What's the number one thing you'd like to see change in the House right now?

00:58:54.160 You'd like to get back to work.

00:58:55.480 I want to get back to work.

00:58:56.780 I want to pass the agenda that we campaigned on.

00:59:00.780 I desperately want to do that.

00:59:02.480 That's the only thing I want to do.

00:59:03.720 Everybody's talking about Marjorie Taylor Greene wants to do this.

00:59:06.480 Marjorie Taylor Greene wants to do that.

00:59:08.180 The only thing I want to do is get to work and pass the agenda that everybody voted for.

00:59:13.340 And that's America first.

00:59:15.760 And that is what we should be doing.

00:59:20.460 No more foreign aid.

00:59:21.860 No more foreign wars.

00:59:23.560 No more sending your monies overseas.

00:59:26.000 We need to fix our health insurance.

00:59:28.320 We need to work on the cost of living.

00:59:31.000 It is extremely expensive.

00:59:32.760 Yep.

00:59:33.720 And the most important thing we can do is continue to create a future for our children.

00:59:39.860 Now, not everybody believes that these are earnest goals.

00:59:43.600 Your good friend, AOC, oh, baby girl.

00:59:47.400 Oh, yeah.

00:59:48.360 She has a theory about why you're pushing in this way to improve people's lives with specific agenda items, whether they're good for everybody or just the right or just the left, what have you.

00:59:58.140 So here it is in SOT 10.

01:00:00.340 Here's some tea for you.

01:00:02.240 Marjorie Taylor Greene wanted to run for Senate.

01:00:05.460 She was gearing up for that statewide race.

01:00:09.600 And Trump told her, the White House and Trump land shut down Marjorie Taylor Greene's personal ambitions to run for Senate.

01:00:19.340 And she has been on a revenge tour ever since.

01:00:24.080 Confirm or deny?

01:00:25.540 Confirm or deny?

01:00:27.280 Completely deny.

01:00:28.140 So earlier this summer, I put out a very lengthy post on my own personal social media of the reasons why I do not want to run for Senate.

01:00:37.380 And you're seeing it in real action today.

01:00:40.940 Look at the Senate.

01:00:41.880 It's an absolute, utter chaos.

01:00:44.920 We can't even fund the government because of the Senate right now.

01:00:48.300 And because of the filibuster, the 60-vote threshold, nothing can get passed.

01:00:53.440 And it's uniparty control for forever.

01:00:56.840 And that is seriously—

01:00:57.780 Are you in favor of abolishing it?

01:00:59.000 I told President Trump several months ago on a phone call that the senators, the Republicans, we have 53 seats in the Senate.

01:01:07.620 53.

01:01:08.640 They can do anything they want if they abolish the filibuster.

01:01:11.860 And let me tell you why.

01:01:12.760 In 2022, the Democrats, they—Chuck Schumer led them to abolish the filibuster.

01:01:18.120 They tried to do it.

01:01:18.840 Do you guys remember that?

01:01:19.440 They tried to do it when they were in power.

01:01:20.360 To pass their Voting Rights Act, which, by the way, we would have never won another election if they had passed that.

01:01:26.140 The only reason they didn't get through it was Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin.

01:01:31.260 Guess what?

01:01:31.980 Kyrsten Sinema and Joe Manchin aren't there anymore, Megan.

01:01:34.540 So it doesn't matter if we're, like, holier than thou and we don't abolish the filibuster.

01:01:39.500 They're still going to do it when they get the opportunity.

01:01:42.920 So I told the president several months ago, I said,

01:01:45.320 I said, President Trump, we can pass your full agenda if the Republicans in the Senate grow a spine, blow through the filibuster, and we pass election reform.

01:01:57.360 I have a bill that calls for a census immediately, and it only counts American citizens.

01:02:05.160 Yeah.

01:02:06.020 Shouldn't be controversial.

01:02:07.300 It should be done.

01:02:07.980 And it redraws district lines all over the country with only American citizen count.

01:02:15.540 You talk about doing something for America, that would save our elections.

01:02:20.080 There's so many bills so many good Republicans have, and if we would blow through that filibuster, we can literally save this country.

01:02:27.720 But I don't think they're going to do it.

01:02:29.440 I don't think they have the votes.

01:02:31.080 Right now, they definitely do.

01:02:31.680 No, there's about 20 Republicans that won't do it.

01:02:34.040 Yeah, and you're going to need all of them.

01:02:35.800 Well, you're going to need at least 50, and then J.D. Vance could break the tie.

01:02:38.940 And speaking of J.D. Vance, he's America first.

01:02:44.060 Would you say he's first in line for 48?

01:02:46.140 Let me tell you, I was the first member of Congress to endorse J.D. Vance when he ran for Senate.

01:02:52.340 I was first before Donald Trump.

01:02:54.540 I endorsed him.

01:02:55.960 I love J.D.

01:02:57.120 I definitely think he's got a great shot.

01:02:59.140 I hope so.

01:02:59.920 And who do you think he'd be running against?

01:03:02.560 Oh, and the Dems?

01:03:04.400 Do you think your friend Sandy Cortez?

01:03:08.100 Maybe.

01:03:08.680 She might jump out there.

01:03:10.080 Could she do it?

01:03:10.660 Are we underestimating her?

01:03:11.620 Some people say we are.

01:03:13.060 Well, let me tell you, I don't have a lot of respect for AOC.

01:03:18.580 I mean, think about it.

01:03:20.580 Would anybody in this country, and I don't know, maybe I'm underestimating her, she's

01:03:25.480 never accomplished anything.

01:03:26.880 She was a bartender, and then they made her a member of Congress.

01:03:31.040 It was a big, she had a massive machine behind her.

01:03:34.520 She's never been married.

01:03:36.760 She doesn't have children.

01:03:38.860 She's never run a company.

01:03:40.960 Like, is that someone that belongs in the White House?

01:03:43.740 She's just good at social media.

01:03:45.340 Yeah.

01:03:45.920 I don't know.

01:03:46.740 If you had to back one, would it be AOC or Jasmine Crockett?

01:03:51.160 Oh, my Lord.

01:03:54.380 You have to choose.

01:03:55.820 You know what?

01:03:56.320 I'm a little concerned that we might could see, like, Mom Donnie, maybe.

01:04:00.300 Oh, God.

01:04:00.840 He wasn't born here.

01:04:01.780 It can't be him.

01:04:02.540 Well, that's true.

01:04:03.280 Yeah.

01:04:04.880 I don't know.

01:04:05.580 I don't know who it's going to be.

01:04:06.660 There's going to be a whole slew of them.

01:04:08.660 Same on our side.

01:04:09.840 There's going to be a ton of Democrats run.

01:04:11.340 There'll be a ton of Republicans run.

01:04:12.700 So, why do we have these congressional Kardashians like AOC, like Jasmine Crockett?

01:04:18.840 What is it about our system that keeps attracting these people who just want cliques?

01:04:23.120 I don't know.

01:04:24.280 It's a—you know what it is?

01:04:25.760 Let's talk about it.

01:04:26.660 Like, look, Maxine Waters is, like, 82 or something.

01:04:30.400 It's just a perpetual paycheck.

01:04:32.140 Nancy Pelosi—

01:04:33.140 She's only 82?

01:04:34.200 My God.

01:04:36.440 Maybe she's more.

01:04:38.180 She seems like 102 at least.

01:04:42.280 She could be.

01:04:43.240 Do you all see that CNN appearance she did, that hit?

01:04:47.180 Where, like, the wig is off.

01:04:48.680 It's, like, crooked.

01:04:49.960 She can see herself in the monitor.

01:04:51.860 She's kind of moving it.

01:04:52.880 You're like, oh, God.

01:04:54.340 No.

01:04:55.380 Pat the weave.

01:04:58.840 Anyway, keep going.

01:05:00.680 Jasmine, your friend Jasmine.

01:05:02.220 Jasmine.

01:05:03.220 Jasmine's—she's something else.

01:05:04.660 She's your least favorite in the house?

01:05:05.840 She serves on the Oversight Committee with me,

01:05:07.960 and she serves on my Doge subcommittee.

01:05:10.380 Like, when you pass her in the halls, what's that like?

01:05:12.140 Actually, I let her talk.

01:05:13.920 I think she is—the more she talks, the better it is for us, let me tell you.

01:05:19.380 Yes.

01:05:19.560 Just let her cook.

01:05:21.640 Let her go.

01:05:22.300 I hear she's very good to her staff.

01:05:24.340 Oh, yeah.

01:05:25.000 There's a lot of rumors about that.

01:05:26.360 Tell us about the pillow.

01:05:27.420 Well, okay.

01:05:28.920 So, we were having one of our hearings,

01:05:31.360 and she was demanding her staff come over,

01:05:35.720 give her attention right away.

01:05:37.060 Katie Porter-esque.

01:05:38.280 Yeah, very.

01:05:39.340 She tells them something.

01:05:41.000 They go running off.

01:05:42.300 A few minutes later, they come back with a pillow.

01:05:46.720 But it's not a pillow like this.

01:05:48.960 It is a big, square, fluffy, very nice pillow,

01:05:53.300 and they tuck it behind her back for her.

01:05:56.940 And I was sitting there, and I'm looking at it,

01:05:59.300 and I'm going, what is—what am I looking at?

01:06:02.760 So, I took a picture of it.

01:06:03.940 I actually have a picture of it.

01:06:05.720 But one of the things she does is she always has one of her male staffers

01:06:09.700 carrying around her giant handbag.

01:06:12.400 And there's rumors that they have to fetch her dry cleaning and all kinds of stuff.

01:06:16.900 Is she in her 30s?

01:06:18.200 Why do you need the big pillow and you can't carry your own bag in your 30s?

01:06:21.680 I don't know.

01:06:22.240 I think she's in her 40s, upper 40s, I think.

01:06:24.700 Okay.

01:06:25.020 All right.

01:06:25.360 Well, she just acts like she's very, very immature.

01:06:28.640 Yeah.

01:06:28.980 Well, I don't know.

01:06:29.920 Maybe perimenopause.

01:06:31.640 Yeah.

01:06:33.160 All right.

01:06:33.720 So, you're saying not now.

01:06:35.060 You're not aspiring to a higher office right now, but not ever?

01:06:39.220 Because I think you actually would make a great president.

01:06:43.020 Well, thank you, Megan.

01:06:44.460 That's very sweet.

01:06:46.660 I think your I don't give an F attitude is exactly what we need.

01:06:51.580 Well, I appreciate that.

01:06:53.380 I do.

01:06:54.560 But let's think about what does this look like for fundraising?

01:06:57.640 I've burned down the military industrial complex.

01:07:00.480 I've burned down big pharma.

01:07:02.240 I'm burning down the health insurance companies.

01:07:05.060 I mean, if I can get like what?

01:07:07.260 How many?

01:07:07.940 10 million Americans to throw in like 100 bucks.

01:07:11.120 Maybe I have a shot.

01:07:12.240 It sounds like Trump to me.

01:07:13.660 That's what it sounds like.

01:07:14.900 Same model, right?

01:07:16.820 No one controls you.

01:07:18.720 You'll get there your own way.

01:07:20.040 Whatever happens, you have a very bright political career ahead of you.

01:07:23.540 Marjorie, thank you.

01:07:24.600 Thank you.

01:07:24.700 Thanks for everything.

01:07:25.340 Thanks for being on a straight shooter.

01:07:26.640 Thank you.

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01:09:59.240 All right, so my next guest is somebody I met back when I was at Fox News, and I was hosting the midday show, America Live.

01:10:06.440 It was around, it must have been 2012, because I think I was at the Republican National Convention backstage.

01:10:13.940 And I think it was 2012, could have been 2008, whatever.

01:10:17.320 And this guy comes backstage with the handlebar mustache and the black cowboy hat, which he's never without.

01:10:25.400 And I knew this guy because I was a fan of his, but I couldn't believe he was actually backstage, wanting to talk to me.

01:10:30.120 And from that moment forward, a beautiful friendship was born between yours truly and John Rich.

01:10:37.440 He made it huge in the country music industry as part of Big and Rich.

01:10:43.120 And then a couple of years back said, you know what, I'm not doing the record label thing anymore.

01:10:48.180 I'm not going to be controlled by a group of people that's gone woke and has rejected the traditional values that made country what it is.

01:10:56.120 And decided to launch an independent music label and get his music out direct to the consumers.

01:11:02.200 And that has been a hit.

01:11:05.180 Now John Rich is free to go on Fox News or Fox Nation or do whatever shows he wants, including yours truly's,

01:11:10.280 and say whatever he wants, which is the principle by which he lives as the son of a preacher man.

01:11:17.320 Here's a little introduction, and then you will have the pleasure of hearing him not only speak, but play.

01:11:22.100 If you're wondering why there's no Johnny Cash's or Waylon Jennings or Loretta Lynn's, well, there's a good reason for that.

01:11:33.020 Because none of those people would have been allowed to exist today.

01:11:35.980 Stick your progress where the sun don't shine.

01:11:40.660 I just decided my freedom of speech was more important to me than the approval of the music industry.

01:11:46.580 Are you a conservative?

01:11:48.000 Yes, I'm a conservative.

01:11:48.920 You are a lover of America, a lover of the Constitution.

01:11:53.120 Of course, yeah.

01:11:54.300 A lover of President Trump.

01:11:55.640 I don't think there's any downside to getting your job back or keeping more of your money.

01:11:59.080 My good friend John Rich of Big and Rich, he happened to win The Apprentice, but we won't even get into that.

01:12:05.220 The winner, week after week, it was John Rich you're going to make.

01:12:09.220 They said you fired to everybody but John Rich, right?

01:12:12.000 Yes, sir.

01:12:12.520 Thank you.

01:12:13.000 Great job.

01:12:13.420 The wave of wokeism that's hit this country and especially the entertainment business, that made its way to Nashville.

01:12:20.760 Recently, I put out a post calling out conservative country artists that have yet to come forward and support President Trump.

01:12:29.120 I mean, Trump won the popular vote in a landslide victory.

01:12:33.280 Every swing state went to Trump.

01:12:35.500 What are you guys afraid of?

01:12:37.080 Now, grow a pair.

01:12:38.160 If they made me CEO of Cracker Barrel, we would start doing the Pledge of Allegiance every morning when we opened at breakfast and we do the national anthem at lunch.

01:12:46.960 I pray to God, you think that's odd.

01:12:50.620 I've got two kids and I didn't want to be the dad that yells at the TV at home and then goes out in the world and plays patty cake with this nonsense.

01:12:59.420 Be the same guy all the time.

01:13:00.960 I didn't want them seeing dad being a hypocrite.

01:13:03.380 The thing I love the most about this country is I wake up every day and I go, as long as I'm still breathing, the game ain't over.

01:13:15.120 Woo!

01:13:15.520 Woo!

01:13:15.580 Woo!

01:13:15.640 Woo!

01:13:15.700 Woo!

01:13:15.740 Woo!

01:13:15.780 Woo!

01:13:15.800 Woo!

01:13:15.820 Woo!

01:13:16.940 Woo!

01:13:27.200 Woo!

01:13:32.260 Literally the coolest man I know.

01:13:35.080 There was a picture up there of yours truly at a John Rich concert, a big and rich concert,

01:13:39.620 and that was after John gave me a beautiful Gibson guitar with my name stenciled in mother of

01:13:46.920 Pearl on the neck.

01:13:47.920 And I almost brought that guitar here just to show you that I still have it and it's rather

01:13:54.300 unused.

01:13:57.200 And I should have, John.

01:13:58.840 Tell them what happened.

01:14:00.240 Okay, so first of all, how are y'all doing down in Georgia tonight?

01:14:03.740 Y'all feeling good?

01:14:06.380 Country music territory.

01:14:07.700 Yeah, so Megan, I was trotting up onto the stage to do a sound check.

01:14:14.340 I had a Gibson J-45, I had a Gibson J-45, it was the music mafia edition covered in rhinestones,

01:14:22.520 the entire thing, brought it from Nashville, and the last step right over there, the very

01:14:30.980 end of my boot caught that last step and I fell flat on my face and that guitar slammed

01:14:38.560 down on the stage and the headstock broke.

01:14:41.340 We have a picture.

01:14:42.340 Off of my Gibson.

01:14:43.560 I mean, it smashed my guitar.

01:14:45.240 Oh, look how sad that is.

01:14:47.200 It broke it in half and I said, well, I guess I'll sing acapella tonight.

01:14:53.920 We would have gladly taken that.

01:14:55.480 Which I would have done that.

01:14:56.300 Yeah, you could do that.

01:14:57.460 But your crew was so good that they actually rounded up a guitar within about an hour.

01:15:03.240 I had another guitar in my hands and it's right here.

01:15:06.300 And here she is and I don't know her very well.

01:15:09.680 I feel like I'm cheating.

01:15:11.240 But thank you for pinch hitting.

01:15:13.540 Yeah, absolutely.

01:15:14.480 It does have some Chinese tuner keys up here, but it's okay.

01:15:21.580 We're going to bend this guitar's will to Americanism tonight.

01:15:26.060 Yeah.

01:15:26.440 We're going to bend its will.

01:15:27.620 Do you think it was the traditional country music labels that foiled your trip up those stairs?

01:15:33.880 Because I don't think they're too happy that you've managed to make it without them.

01:15:37.160 Oh, man.

01:15:37.660 They hate me and I hate them too.

01:15:40.020 Yeah.

01:15:40.400 It's crazy.

01:15:41.140 How did country go woke?

01:15:43.300 Country went woke when Nashville started firing the original guys that built and ladies that built our music.

01:15:55.420 And they started hiring people from California and New York.

01:16:00.500 That's what happened.

01:16:01.580 We ruined everything.

01:16:03.120 Well.

01:16:03.720 Ruined Florida.

01:16:05.120 But you're from upstate New York.

01:16:06.640 Yes, actually.

01:16:07.440 We're normal.

01:16:08.300 Much different.

01:16:08.700 Upstate New Yorkers speak sense.

01:16:09.800 Well, people don't know this, but there's more white-tailed deer in upstate New York than there is in Tennessee.

01:16:16.340 No one's ever called me that before.

01:16:20.360 Well, I'm glad to be the first.

01:16:22.120 No, they replaced people in Nashville with people from the coasts, and they started to change the dynamic and the narrative and really the livelihood of those companies from the top down.

01:16:45.360 And what happened was it not only affected the artists, but it also affected the songwriters.

01:16:51.060 And I'll tell you this.

01:16:53.040 Songwriters, in my opinion, are some of the most powerful people in the world because they take blank sheets of paper and they can write anything they want to on that blank sheet of paper.

01:17:08.700 Yeah.

01:17:08.760 And most of the time, it means nothing.

01:17:12.180 I've written over 2,000 songs in my life, and most of them you'll never hear.

01:17:17.260 But a few of them you will hear.

01:17:21.000 If you look back at the Vietnam War, you think about even guys that are, you know, guys that I go, well, I don't agree with them at all.

01:17:28.980 But I will tell you, back in the Vietnam War, they helped to shut it down.

01:17:34.060 It was guys like Bob Dylan.

01:17:36.100 It was guys like Creedence Clearwater Revival, John Fogerty.

01:17:42.120 American songwriters that tap into the populist sentiment can put it on a page, sing it into a microphone, and project it through radio.

01:17:56.340 They shut down the Vietnam War.

01:18:00.940 Powerful what that is.

01:18:05.100 Today, it's a little bit different because the industry is completely overrun with whack job communists.

01:18:15.320 Big time.

01:18:16.320 But there's a few of us still out there that will write what we think, and we will not apologize when we sing it, and we'll stick it right in your face and make you deal with it.

01:18:29.920 Yes.

01:18:30.620 That's music.

01:18:32.480 That's what it means to be an American artist.

01:18:35.640 An American artist does not kowtow to the company.

01:18:39.620 An American artist writes what they feel, and they sing it with conviction, and they make sure that you damn well hear it.

01:18:48.240 Can I get a hell yeah out of Georgia one time?

01:18:50.460 Hell yeah.

01:18:51.640 That's what it is.

01:18:52.940 Yes, right on.

01:18:54.060 You know, you don't think about artists in music being affected by the same censorship everybody's felt.

01:19:00.440 I can't say it because I'll get in trouble.

01:19:02.440 I can't write it because I'll get fired.

01:19:04.100 And to think that of all industries, country music, which is right at the heartland, it comes right from the beating heart of America.

01:19:10.740 It's beloved, mostly by conservatives who tend to vote red, that that industry could be corrupted by these people and still manage to sell any records is baffling to me.

01:19:22.460 Did it hurt sales?

01:19:23.680 Did the industry suffer?

01:19:24.900 Well, so, I can tell you when I made the move, I lost country radio, and I lost the record industry because they're conglomerates now.

01:19:40.280 So when I showed up on the scene, you had all these record labels that were independent, still big companies, but independent.

01:19:49.860 And then here comes Sony, Universal, and Warner Brothers.

01:19:53.780 So between Sony, Universal, and Warner Brothers, 95% of all record labels are owned by those three companies.

01:20:02.880 And they are run by people who were woke ideologists who understand who the audience is.

01:20:11.040 Oh, they get it.

01:20:12.020 They know who it is.

01:20:14.040 And so they sign artists that they think will speak to that audience.

01:20:18.660 But they put guardrails around them and go, you can only go so far with what you're going to say.

01:20:26.020 For instance, Megan, you would never hear, I got a shotgun, a rifle, and a four-wheel drive, and a country boy can survive.

01:20:35.820 You're not going to hear that on country radio today.

01:20:38.500 You're not going to hear, I shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

01:20:44.660 No, you're not going to hear that either.

01:20:47.100 You're not going to hear those kind of lyrics on country radio because country radio is owned and operated by woke, liberal, crazy people.

01:20:56.980 That's amazing.

01:20:58.260 So it comes incumbent upon us, the ones of us that don't have contracts.

01:21:03.560 I got no contract in the world with anybody.

01:21:06.900 Can I get a hell yeah one time out of Georgia?

01:21:09.060 Oh, yeah.

01:21:09.600 Hell, yeah.

01:21:10.600 So it comes down to us.

01:21:14.140 We got to be the ones that say it, that can cut through the creases in between the pages and get our message out and let folks out here who are all feeling like they're isolated.

01:21:26.620 You know, the main thing they've done to us, Megan, is they have made us feel like I'm the only one that's thinking that way.

01:21:33.740 But then that song comes out, that song comes out, and everybody says, yes, I feel like that.

01:21:43.000 That's when you see some unity starting to happen in our country.

01:21:46.580 What does that feel like, John?

01:21:47.480 You pick up that guitar, you get your six string.

01:21:50.480 It's my borrowed.

01:21:51.280 And you sing, I say and you sing all the things that they don't want you singing, and you project that message out into the world, and you know it's resonating.

01:22:00.840 You know they're listening, and you're touching something deep inside of them.

01:22:03.400 What is that like?

01:22:04.040 It's a responsibility is the way I look at it.

01:22:10.080 You know, I have a high school diploma.

01:22:13.640 Grew up in a double wide in Amarillo, Texas, up in the panhandle of Texas.

01:22:19.200 My dad's been preaching since he was 19 years old.

01:22:23.260 My dad's 73 now, and he is just nasty in the way he comes at it.

01:22:30.300 I mean, he'll tell you straight up what the Bible has to say about it.

01:22:37.000 That's really all you should be concerned about is what the Bible has to say about it, not what Trump or anybody else has to say about it.

01:22:44.440 I support Trump, but what God has to say about it overrides him all day long.

01:22:52.140 That's the way I look at it.

01:22:53.540 I think it's a very important time in our country, Megan, because a lot of people are feeling that press.

01:23:03.060 They're feeling that anxiety.

01:23:06.760 What's going to happen next?

01:23:09.760 Yeah.

01:23:10.040 There's a lot of bad people in our country right now, a lot, a whole bunch of them.

01:23:14.960 And you wonder, when are they going to show up and what are they going to do when they do show up?

01:23:21.980 I was told about three or four days after Charlie Kirk was assassinated, I was told by a couple of three-letter agencies called me up.

01:23:31.960 And they said, John, make sure you wear body armor when you go out to play any publicly promoted events.

01:23:39.580 I said, me?

01:23:45.120 Yeah.

01:23:46.640 And I said, why is that?

01:23:49.340 They said, because you're outspoken.

01:23:51.300 Because you talk about things that they hate.

01:23:54.520 And they, just be careful.

01:23:59.060 That's what they basically told me was that.

01:24:01.940 So there's been a shift in the dynamics since Charlie Kirk's assassination.

01:24:06.260 I'm sure you felt it as well.

01:24:08.340 Honestly, I know that's real.

01:24:11.460 And it's something that's been like an unspoken thing underneath the tour the whole time.

01:24:16.540 But thank you for doing this, notwithstanding the threat.

01:24:21.820 Of course.

01:24:23.460 And thanks to you guys for being here, notwithstanding the threat.

01:24:28.740 It's balls to the wall time.

01:24:31.360 Like, we are all citizen soldiers right now.

01:24:34.240 Even just in showing up here, it took a lot of guts.

01:24:37.300 Because it is a highly threatening environment.

01:24:40.680 And not for one second did you consider canceling.

01:24:43.260 Because I know you.

01:24:45.000 And that's the way we fight back.

01:24:47.640 We show up.

01:24:48.620 We do our thing.

01:24:49.440 We sing the songs.

01:24:51.120 We stand tall.

01:24:52.740 There's risk involved.

01:24:53.940 But there's risk involved in everything.

01:24:55.740 There's risk involved in driving to the airport.

01:24:57.440 There's risk involved in everything we do.

01:24:59.620 This risk actually matters.

01:25:01.200 This risk actually drives us to something that is unifying.

01:25:04.020 Right?

01:25:04.200 Just sitting here with each other.

01:25:05.860 It's like church.

01:25:07.080 All these like-minded people who have the same mission generally in life.

01:25:10.720 And we all have each other's backs.

01:25:12.260 And you know that.

01:25:12.920 You don't feel isolated.

01:25:14.380 You feel that unity.

01:25:15.920 That is like uplifting.

01:25:16.860 Gives you the power to do the next thing.

01:25:18.940 And then on top of that, you get a John Rich song.

01:25:21.080 What the, what blessings are we having here tonight?

01:25:24.700 You and I have been friends a long time.

01:25:26.460 Would you like to hear the story of the first time I met Megyn Kelly?

01:25:29.960 You want to hear that?

01:25:31.900 Can I tell them?

01:25:32.720 Yeah.

01:25:33.780 So I was watching Fox News and there's Megyn Kelly and Bill Hammer.

01:25:38.780 What year was that, by the way?

01:25:40.220 2007.

01:25:41.200 We launched that show.

01:25:42.440 And it lasted until 2009.

01:25:43.920 And then I went to the afternoon.

01:25:45.260 Okay.

01:25:45.720 I thought it was about 07, 08.

01:25:47.680 So I was right about that.

01:25:49.280 Thank God.

01:25:49.900 So Megyn was up there killing it with Bill and, you know, doing her thing every day.

01:25:56.940 And I remember hearing you say that, yeah, Bill, I'm taking guitar lessons.

01:26:04.300 And I went, oh, what?

01:26:05.880 What did she just say?

01:26:07.620 Oh, she wants to play a guitar, does she?

01:26:10.860 And then I get a call from Fox News and they say, yeah, we'd like you to come on with Megyn and Bill

01:26:17.600 and talk about whatever the subject was.

01:26:19.540 I said, yeah, the answer is yes.

01:26:22.360 And then I immediately called Gibson Guitars.

01:26:25.340 And I said, hello, Gibson Guitars.

01:26:28.020 I would like to have a Gibson J45 made with the name Megan, M-E-G-Y-N, right down the neck and mother of pearl,

01:26:38.080 because I want to give it to her.

01:26:39.120 And they said, okay, how much time do we have?

01:26:43.140 I said, two weeks.

01:26:45.460 They said, I'm not sure we can do that.

01:26:48.180 I said, well, you're going to have to get her done because I'm going to New York.

01:26:52.240 They said, all right, we'll get it done.

01:26:53.880 We'll get it done.

01:26:54.440 It's so beautiful.

01:26:55.400 So I handed you that guitar live on television.

01:26:58.700 So my question is, if I handed you this guitar, could you play a G chord on it right now?

01:27:03.760 I could play a G chord.

01:27:04.660 Yes, I could.

01:27:05.180 Can you play a G chord?

01:27:05.300 Yes, I can.

01:27:05.920 What do you got?

01:27:07.680 Let's see if she can play a G chord.

01:27:09.220 I prefer to have the K chord.

01:27:12.420 Yes.

01:27:13.480 Yes.

01:27:14.440 Oh, she got it.

01:27:17.540 That was it.

01:27:18.860 Yes.

01:27:19.620 I got an E.

01:27:20.500 You got an E minor.

01:27:22.260 Yeah, minor.

01:27:23.100 There we go.

01:27:23.540 You got an E minor.

01:27:24.500 And you got a D.

01:27:25.620 Yep.

01:27:26.580 Okay, so you can play 90% of all catchy music if you know those three chords.

01:27:32.020 A round of applause for Megan Kelly, guitar picker, honky-tonker.

01:27:37.800 Here's some happy news.

01:27:39.220 While I have not been practicing my Gibson guitar in quite some time, though I did spend

01:27:43.360 a lot of time practicing it when I first got it, my son, who is backstage, has picked

01:27:47.440 it up, John Rich.

01:27:48.720 Wonderful.

01:27:49.240 And he is now practicing on the Gibson guitar.

01:27:51.420 Well, I'm happy and sorry for you at the same time, because Lord knows what happens next.

01:27:57.180 Maybe you could do us the honor of showing him what that practice could turn into.

01:28:01.480 I would love to show you some a couple of chords.

01:28:02.140 Would you like to hear some John Rich music?

01:28:04.480 I would love to do that.

01:28:05.600 I would love to hear something.

01:28:06.500 Whatever you want to play.

01:28:07.340 What do you want to play?

01:28:08.360 You want me to play?

01:28:09.220 Could you?

01:28:09.740 Okay.

01:28:10.800 All right.

01:28:11.300 So I busted my guitar.

01:28:14.080 This is the backup.

01:28:15.840 Thanks to your team for bringing me one.

01:28:18.840 There are Chinese parts on this guitar, so it doesn't work as good as the American version.

01:28:26.360 Can I get a hell yeah one time?

01:28:30.120 Let's see what you can do with the Chinese version.

01:28:31.920 So being that today is the 60th anniversary of November 8th, 1965, I just want to sing this song.

01:28:41.600 Me and my friend Big Kenny of Big and Rich, we wrote this song after we met this man in the great state of South Dakota, Deadwood, South Dakota.

01:28:52.700 We went all the way back to Vietnam with him.

01:28:57.120 The only thing he had from that battle was he still had the boots that were on his feet.

01:29:02.580 They cut the boots off before they put him in the hospital, and somehow or another, he wound up with them.

01:29:09.980 They were covered in mud, covered in blood.

01:29:12.320 But he was one of three that survived that day.

01:29:18.140 And there's a big song in the big and rich world called the 8th of November.

01:29:23.240 And so I wanted to sing this song and dedicate it to all of our veterans tonight, all of our active duty, all the boys and girls overseas in harm's way.

01:29:32.780 And the 13 plus that never came back from Afghanistan, and we know that is total horseshit, we will never get over it.

01:29:43.460 We will never forgive you for that, ever.

01:29:47.080 I want our veterans to know that the civilians feel your pain.

01:29:51.780 We appreciate you.

01:29:53.720 We appreciate you.

01:29:55.740 Your sacrifice means something to us.

01:29:57.940 So I'm going to sing this song on nothing but a microphone, not my backup Chinese guitar.

01:30:08.260 I'll leave that for Save a Horse Ride a Cowboy here in a minute.

01:30:16.920 Said goodbye to his mama as he left South Dakota to fight for the red, white, and blue.

01:30:25.920 He was 19 and green, with a new M-16, just doing what he had to do.

01:30:36.680 He was dropped in the jungle, where the choppers would rumble with the smell of napalm in the air.

01:30:46.840 And then the sergeant said, look up ahead.

01:30:53.060 Like a dark, evil cloud, 1,200 came down on him and 29 more.

01:31:04.620 Well, they fought for their lives, but most of them died in the 173rd Airborne.

01:31:13.380 On the 8th of November, the angels were crying as he carried his brothers away.

01:31:24.020 With the fire raining down and the hail all around, there were few men left standing that day.

01:31:32.520 Saw the eagle flying through a clear blue sky in 1965 on the 8th of November.

01:31:44.860 Now he's 78, and his ponytail's gray, but the battle still plays in his head.

01:31:56.360 And he limps when he walks, but he's strong when he talks, about the shrapnel they left in his leg.

01:32:06.580 He puts on a gray suit, over his airborne tattoo, as he ties it on one time a year.

01:32:15.880 And remembers the fallen, as he orders the tall one, and swallows it down with his tears.

01:32:26.100 On the 8th of November, the angels were crying as he carried his brothers away.

01:32:35.220 With the fire raining down and the hail all around, there were few men left standing that day.

01:32:45.840 Saw the eagle flying through a clear blue sky in 1965 on the 8th of November.

01:32:57.920 Said goodbye to his mama, as he left South Dakota, to fight for the red, white, and blue.

01:33:11.880 He was 19 and green, with a new M16, just doing what he had to do.

01:33:23.980 Wow.

01:33:28.860 Woo!

01:33:30.660 Woo!

01:33:32.300 Wow.

01:33:38.120 So beautiful.

01:33:39.260 God bless our veterans in active duty.

01:33:41.020 God bless y'all.

01:33:41.860 Amen.

01:33:43.220 Wow.

01:33:45.760 That was incredible.

01:33:49.000 What a tribute.

01:33:49.520 We got to go, because we got to bring on Adam Carolla.

01:33:54.460 But we are not letting you out of here without a little, I don't know, anybody in the mood

01:33:58.200 to save a horse, ride a cowboy?

01:34:01.160 A little song you may have heard of?

01:34:06.660 You know, Megan, when I sing this song, Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy.

01:34:12.980 Let me play this for a minute, make sure the sound man's got it.

01:34:16.500 Does this thing even work?

01:34:17.700 It's no Gibson.

01:34:21.960 You getting it out there?

01:34:23.860 Oh, there it is.

01:34:24.700 There we go.

01:34:27.220 I will admit, I used to have a crush on Megyn Kelly, big time.

01:34:31.420 Oh.

01:34:31.960 Go on.

01:34:32.660 Guys, guys.

01:34:35.420 All the men in the crowd tonight, if you're being honest, at one point or another, did you

01:34:41.320 have a total crush on Megyn Kelly, raise your hand?

01:34:44.080 Yeah.

01:34:46.340 Big time in the front row.

01:34:47.980 You better watch it.

01:34:48.640 My big brother's here.

01:34:50.020 Give me some more guitar.

01:34:51.060 I'm going to tear the strings off this Chinese sucker.

01:34:55.420 This might be the greatest thing the Chinese ever gave us, a guitar to sing on Megyn Kelly's

01:35:00.020 show tonight.

01:35:00.780 Here we go.

01:35:05.740 This is one of the dumbest songs ever written in country music.

01:35:12.240 But it caused a small baby boom in the early 2000s.

01:35:16.280 Can I get a hell yeah?

01:35:17.680 Hell yeah.

01:35:18.620 And it goes like this.

01:35:29.280 Yeah, when I walk into the room, passing out hundred dollar bills and a gills and a thrill

01:35:35.680 like a horn's on my Silverado grill.

01:35:39.300 High by the bar, triple round of crown.

01:35:42.360 Everybody's getting down to this town.

01:35:45.180 It ain't never going to be the same.

01:35:47.040 Y'all sing it.

01:35:48.620 Cause I love my horse and I ride into the city.

01:35:53.460 I make a lot of noise cause the girls are so pretty.

01:35:58.280 Riding up and down by way.

01:36:00.480 My horse suddenly walks.

01:36:02.240 And the girls say, save us, ride a cowboy.

01:36:06.720 Everybody say, save us, ride a cowboy.

01:36:11.480 Yeah, well I don't give a damn about nothing.

01:36:15.080 And I'm singing and bling, bling.

01:36:17.540 And while the girls sing it, girls.

01:36:19.600 Long decks down.

01:36:21.420 And I work great old Leroy.

01:36:23.780 My Chevrolet for your Escalade or your Freak Parade.

01:36:27.360 I'm the only John Wayne left in this town.

01:36:30.840 And I start to love my horse.

01:36:33.280 I ride into the city.

01:36:35.600 I make a lot of noise.

01:36:37.720 Cause the girls are so pretty.

01:36:39.660 Say, be riding up and down by way.

01:36:42.700 My old stubby run.

01:36:44.440 And the girls say, save us, ride a cowboy.

01:36:49.080 Everybody say, save us, ride a cowboy.

01:36:52.880 Are you having a good time with Megyn Kelly tonight?

01:36:55.320 Come on.

01:36:56.280 All right.

01:37:01.220 This is the audience participation part.

01:37:04.080 Well, I'm a thoroughbred.

01:37:05.460 That's what she said.

01:37:06.680 In the back of my truck bed as we was getting buzzed.

01:37:10.100 Don't suck.

01:37:11.020 Got on some backcountry road.

01:37:13.580 We were flying high.

01:37:15.200 Flying as wine.

01:37:16.360 Having ourselves a Megyn Kelly kind of time.

01:37:18.860 I was going about as far as she let me go.

01:37:21.700 Yo, get your hands up.

01:37:23.620 But her evaluation of my cowboy reputation

01:37:27.720 Had me begging for salvation all night long.

01:37:31.900 There you go.

01:37:33.100 I took her out digging frogs.

01:37:35.700 Introduced her to my old bird dog.

01:37:38.240 Sing every Gretchen Wilson song.

01:37:40.280 I could think of we made love.

01:37:42.840 And I start to love my horse.

01:37:45.200 I ride into the city.

01:37:47.520 I make a lot of noise.

01:37:49.520 Because the girls, they are so pretty.

01:37:52.260 Be riding up and down right away.

01:37:54.540 My old said Leroy.

01:37:56.300 And the girls say,

01:37:57.780 Save us, ride a cowboy.

01:38:00.840 Everybody say,

01:38:02.520 Save us, ride a cowboy.

01:38:05.620 What?

01:38:06.300 What?

01:38:07.200 Save us, ride a cowboy.

01:38:09.400 Come on, Georgia.

01:38:10.460 Everybody sing it.

01:38:12.000 Save us.

01:38:13.800 Put your hands together for Miss Megyn Kelly one time.

01:38:16.900 Rocking the great state of Georgia.

01:38:18.300 You're the best.

01:38:22.780 John Rich, everybody.

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01:41:09.340 Love John.

01:41:15.120 Honestly, just to follow up to that guitar story he told you, there was one day I was sitting

01:41:19.040 there in America's Newsroom with Bill Hemmer, and we were doing a story about a fire that

01:41:23.260 had taken over somebody's whole block.

01:41:25.160 And, uh, like, it was one of those things where, like, the people had, like, two seconds to

01:41:30.140 grab one thing and run, and Hemmer asked me, like, if you had two seconds to grab something

01:41:34.960 out of your house, one thing and run, what would it be?

01:41:36.580 And I said, I think it would be my John Rich Gibson guitar.

01:41:40.720 And John was watching, and he sent me a note immediately saying, darling, if your house

01:41:44.020 catches on fire, you just run.

01:41:45.500 I'll get you another guitar.

01:41:47.280 Don't worry about that.

01:41:48.740 Such a good guy.

01:41:50.540 Okay.

01:41:52.540 We have our final act.

01:41:53.640 Love you, too.

01:41:55.160 This is a great show.

01:41:56.220 Are you guys having fun?

01:41:58.440 I feel like tonight's is really good.

01:42:00.580 Yes.

01:42:02.380 My next guest may be the funniest, most entertaining person I've ever met.

01:42:07.500 I love his dry, sarcastic, don't-give-an-F sense of humor.

01:42:12.760 All you have to do with Adam Carolla is really toss out any topic and then be quiet if you want

01:42:17.260 to be entertained.

01:42:18.320 And I will say, though we don't really love Jimmy Kimmel, there is something I love about

01:42:24.140 his friendship with Jimmy Kimmel, right?

01:42:26.360 It's just kind of good to remember that you can have diametrically opposed politics with

01:42:31.860 somebody and still love them and hold on to the friendship, like those two have somehow

01:42:36.460 managed to do all these years after starring in The Man Show and being on radio together.

01:42:41.160 So, uh, we have a little sizzle for you for Adam Carolla and then we will bring the man

01:42:45.700 himself out to meet you.

01:42:47.080 You can't cancel me.

01:42:51.300 I've already- I'm already canceled.

01:42:52.900 I'm not fucking apologizing to any of you assholes.

01:42:55.380 And by the way-

01:42:55.940 Oh, no, babe.

01:42:56.880 You don't accept apologies.

01:42:58.640 That's what I figured out from these people.

01:43:00.480 You're like the one person I know who seems totally uninterested in what the woke people

01:43:04.160 say and totally unbothered by their attacks.

01:43:06.280 There's a sort of freedom in not caring.

01:43:08.880 There's a real freedom in not caring.

01:43:10.700 The only thing in California that's not on fire are the homeless.

01:43:16.280 That's all there is.

01:43:17.680 I got yelled at.

01:43:18.840 Somebody asked me about AOC and I said, listen, if AOC was fat and in her 60s, would anyone

01:43:26.720 listen to another thing she ever said?

01:43:29.720 Oh, boy.

01:43:30.500 You're going to step in that one.

01:43:31.800 And everyone is like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

01:43:33.940 And it's, whoa, what?

01:43:35.600 I do have a way to get Biden out of there.

01:43:38.160 When he says, I'm running for a second term, you say, but this is your second term.

01:43:46.240 I wrote a tweet.

01:43:52.720 It said COVID kills old people and it kills sick people and the rest of you just got played.

01:43:59.860 And who's getting played next time?

01:44:01.680 You got to take that tweet down.

01:44:03.000 I was like, can't do it.

01:44:05.100 I'm talking about this fucking hysteria.

01:44:08.160 It's not going to work.

01:44:09.440 It scares the shit out of the kids.

01:44:11.500 Governor, why did you shut the beaches in California during COVID and you arrested a

01:44:16.720 guy who was paddle boarding in the bay?

01:44:18.760 Keep in mind, Newsom is a narcissistic sociopath douchebag.

01:44:25.360 All progressive guys cross their legs like women.

01:44:28.320 Davin Newsom, watch them all.

01:44:30.040 Watch them how they cross their legs and then watch how Trump crosses his legs.

01:44:33.040 puts a diamond in front of his testicles.

01:44:35.440 Right.

01:44:35.800 So there's Trump with the diamond.

01:44:38.100 His diamond, which accentuates his nutsack.

01:44:41.500 And then you have Justin Trudeau signaling, I have no ball.

01:44:47.640 Adam Carolla, everyone.

01:44:49.100 It's so funny.

01:45:09.060 Oh, insider joke.

01:45:12.920 Take a look at how he's sitting.

01:45:14.000 Oh, yeah.

01:45:17.560 Now you could get Justin Trudeau and Obama's nutsack in between these thighs.

01:45:27.100 It is crazy.

01:45:29.080 I've been studying the deep leg cross and it's all progressive men do that.

01:45:37.480 One, Trudeau does it to expose his colorful sock.

01:45:42.500 Says a lot.

01:45:42.920 That's how you know he's on the right team.

01:45:46.600 And then he does this deep thing.

01:45:49.220 I can't.

01:45:49.720 I wish I could.

01:45:50.620 I can't.

01:45:54.600 And I also can't scratch the back of my head because of my biceps.

01:45:59.320 They're so...

01:46:00.520 I actually travel with a guy in case the back of my head itches.

01:46:04.720 Because of the guns.

01:46:06.040 I'm checking my sought list because there was one that I wanted to kick it off with.

01:46:09.820 I can't find the number.

01:46:11.040 But my team knows which one it is.

01:46:13.000 Okay?

01:46:13.280 I wanted to get Adam Carolla's reaction to Zoran Mamdani the other night.

01:46:20.780 I can't find it, but my team's better than I am.

01:46:23.280 He was out there the other night.

01:46:25.140 He was saying thank you to everybody who put him in office.

01:46:28.800 And it was like listening to somebody at the UN translate every single speaker who was coming up next.

01:46:37.220 Yes.

01:46:37.460 It was literally everyone in New York who was foreign-born and not a single American that he wanted to thank.

01:46:44.100 Do we have it?

01:46:44.620 Let's find out together.

01:46:45.280 Thank you to those so often forgotten by the politics of our city who made this movement their own.

01:46:53.100 I speak of Yemeni bodega owners and Mexican abuelas.

01:47:00.780 Senegalese taxi drivers and Uzbek nurses.

01:47:03.940 Trinidadian line cooks and Ethiopian aunties.

01:47:11.800 It's all part of this crazy race hustle which we all thought was sort of over like 30 years ago.

01:47:21.080 And then Obama got put into office and it got put on creatine.

01:47:25.620 And they ratcheted it up.

01:47:28.060 A problem that doesn't exist and was gone a long time ago.

01:47:32.700 And it's really weird and it's sad.

01:47:36.640 And it's also super irresponsible to pit cultures against each other.

01:47:42.020 And then you come in as the savior who fights for all the cultures somehow.

01:47:47.660 Just like you fight for the LGBT and the trans and all communities.

01:47:52.120 And it's really grotesque and it's super narcissistic too.

01:47:56.520 Explain that.

01:47:57.240 Explain that.

01:47:57.680 I've heard you say that.

01:47:58.380 Well, I mean, so the plan is, first off, half the time it comes from white women who just go like,

01:48:06.660 I'm just going to swing in and rescue all your cultures and speak for all of you and all your cultures.

01:48:16.200 But it's also, it's a step backwards in terms of what this nation has done and is doing and was about.

01:48:26.080 I mean, this notion that we're living in Alabama in 1953 is really a pathetic notion.

01:48:35.140 And it's also a really dangerous notion for politicians to put out there constantly because it does get people killed.

01:48:42.820 I mean, if you are a black man and a cop pulls you over and you think you have a target on your back,

01:48:50.900 then why not try to attack the cop and get his gun away or take off or never comply?

01:48:57.400 So, and Obama did most of this race hustling.

01:49:01.100 And it's really sad.

01:49:03.260 And I should say the Obamas because we could have, with the Obamas and with the help of Oprah or LeBron James

01:49:13.440 or many of the other luminaries in that community, we could, they could have said, sent a different message.

01:49:20.520 And they did not.

01:49:21.580 They just kept the hustle.

01:49:22.500 Michelle Obama is still sending the message.

01:49:25.520 I know.

01:49:25.820 How grieved she is, how hard it is to be her.

01:49:29.020 And she tells these stories like, well, you don't know what it's like being black because you go in to buy ice cream

01:49:34.600 and people cut in front of you in line, you know?

01:49:36.880 Totally.

01:49:37.420 She just names all the shit that happens to us all the time.

01:49:41.700 That's exactly it.

01:49:42.620 But she thinks it's because she's black.

01:49:44.480 Yes.

01:49:44.740 This week she was railing about how you don't understand black women have to straighten their hair

01:49:48.340 and it takes a long time to straighten their hair.

01:49:49.720 I'm like, do you have any idea how long it takes to get this hair to look like this?

01:49:52.980 I just wake up with toddler hair in the morning.

01:49:55.580 Like every woman spends a long time on her hair.

01:49:58.320 Like, and this week she's bitching about how she has to have a hair and makeup and a wardrobe team

01:50:03.040 and it's not a luxury.

01:50:04.420 It was a necessity, a necessity because what woman buys off the rack?

01:50:09.260 What?

01:50:10.080 Literally all of us.

01:50:12.780 I love women's racks.

01:50:16.780 I think that's what you're saying, right?

01:50:18.780 I kind of tuned out with the hair part, but then when you brought up the rack, I jumped back.

01:50:26.320 I brought it home.

01:50:27.060 Yeah, you brought it home.

01:50:28.060 So now I'm listening.

01:50:29.440 I may even do a song.

01:50:31.100 Where's my guitar?

01:50:32.600 God damn it.

01:50:33.320 Did John take my guitar?

01:50:36.100 I put it out here before the show.

01:50:38.120 I told him, don't touch the guitar.

01:50:39.760 Now he plays my guitar and he strikes it.

01:50:42.200 Speaking of hot, how about your little bit on AOC?

01:50:46.000 Where does she fall on the hotness scale now?

01:50:48.540 Oh, AOC?

01:50:49.900 I mean, it was so funny because I did say that thing about her on Hannity

01:50:54.640 and Hannity had to pretend like he didn't know what I was talking about.

01:50:58.380 It's so funny because after I said that, you know, if she was fat and from Minnesota and middle age,

01:51:06.520 no one would want to hear a word she had to say, right?

01:51:10.060 That was my AOC take.

01:51:11.060 And after that, people would say to me, what did you really mean when you said that?

01:51:17.540 And I said, I think it was pretty evident what I meant.

01:51:20.160 It was pretty clear.

01:51:21.640 We would not listen to her.

01:51:25.080 You, we would listen to.

01:51:27.200 Thank you.

01:51:27.780 Not as much.

01:51:30.300 Well, I mean, come on.

01:51:31.720 The package helps.

01:51:34.560 But we would still listen to you.

01:51:37.220 Just not as frequently.

01:51:38.800 But we would listen because you, no, because you're beautiful, but you have a message, too.

01:51:43.980 That's what I'm saying.

01:51:44.900 Thank you.

01:51:45.540 She's just a look.

01:51:47.320 How about Kamala Harris?

01:51:50.140 Oh, God.

01:51:50.980 I, well, okay, so she, all right, so we, we need to get serious for a second here.

01:51:57.960 There is a problem and people are writing articles on it.

01:52:01.200 And I've been, I've been sort of getting into it lately, which is a thing called gyno fascism.

01:52:08.040 And it's basically too many women with too many women ideas making too many decisions.

01:52:15.380 And, and I don't mean you.

01:52:19.260 No.

01:52:20.000 No.

01:52:20.840 Well, no, here's, but here, here's what I'm saying.

01:52:23.300 You know, people like yourself do not, you have a much more masculine perspective on, on problem solving.

01:52:32.900 But the aforementioned Justin Trudeau.

01:52:38.000 He's a gyno fascist.

01:52:39.640 He is female in his, in his thinking.

01:52:43.680 No, I, Gavin Newsom thinks like a woman and Margaret Thatcher has a male perspective.

01:52:50.580 And so, um, when it comes to like Kamala, that's where all the word salad comes in.

01:52:58.200 That's where all the talk, all the, I mean, Mandami's in office because I don't know, 84% of women under 31 voted for him.

01:53:07.020 He says nothing.

01:53:08.620 It's all pablum.

01:53:09.960 And it's all part of the process talk.

01:53:12.940 She just talks about, you know, a seat at the table where all the children of the world can feel like they're like, you know,

01:53:20.580 and world-class health care and education and no child should ever go to bed hungry and all this kind of stuff.

01:53:27.960 And it's eaten up.

01:53:29.940 And I think women respond much more to that than a guy saying, look, um, we're going to storm Normandy Beach.

01:53:38.520 We're probably going to lose about 8,000 19-year-old dudes, but we'll win the war.

01:53:44.980 Yes.

01:53:46.540 Friends of ours have, uh, like this old Jeep.

01:53:50.100 It like really beat up.

01:53:51.740 I don't know how old it is, but it's beat up.

01:53:53.600 And, uh, it's got a bumper sticker on the back.

01:53:56.740 These are guys.

01:53:57.500 And it reads, no airbags.

01:53:59.900 We die like real men.

01:54:03.880 Yeah.

01:54:04.800 Like I want to be killed by an antler.

01:54:07.000 That's how male I am.

01:54:11.260 I'm not saying how it's going to happen.

01:54:14.040 I could fall asleep under a fireplace drunk and it could fall off the wall.

01:54:19.400 But either way, I'm going by an antler.

01:54:24.040 Or it'll come through the windshield on a country road.

01:54:27.800 An antler.

01:54:28.980 Okay.

01:54:29.380 I talked to John backstage.

01:54:31.080 He says he knows a guy who can see to that.

01:54:33.340 How, what kind of energy does Katie Porter have?

01:54:38.980 Oh, my God.

01:54:40.880 She could be your next governor if you're lucky.

01:54:43.180 Listen, first off, I was early money on hating Katie Porter.

01:54:48.140 You guys, you're all bandwagoners who just, you just jumped on the Katie Porter hate train

01:54:55.000 10 minutes ago.

01:54:56.320 So, there was a thing about five or six years ago that I responded to, which was, I think

01:55:04.900 it was a bank.

01:55:06.400 It was Washington Mutual, B of A. It was one of the big banks, put a thing out and said,

01:55:11.400 like, here's how you can save money.

01:55:13.500 Don't buy coffee at the Starbucks.

01:55:16.220 Make your own coffee.

01:55:17.500 And don't order an Uber.

01:55:19.380 Walk to the place, you know.

01:55:21.080 And stop eating out at restaurants.

01:55:23.220 Make your own food and save money.

01:55:25.240 So, this is a bank telling its clientele, hey, here's a good way to save money.

01:55:31.460 Stop going out and spending it all on sushi and Starbucks and everything else and Ubers.

01:55:37.340 And Katie Porter had to write the bank and write a tweet to basically say, hey, rich elitists,

01:55:46.280 why don't you start paying your employees a living wage and blah, blah, blah.

01:55:50.880 And that was like six years ago.

01:55:52.480 And I was like, all right, I'm done with this cow.

01:55:55.240 I'm done.

01:55:56.900 Because all that was, but it's a bigger problem because it's a war on traditional values.

01:56:04.600 It's a war on what got us here and it's a war on what works.

01:56:09.240 You know what I mean?

01:56:09.700 Like, my thing is just, you want to lose weight?

01:56:12.700 Diet and exercise.

01:56:14.320 Family and education.

01:56:15.540 Like, real basic stuff.

01:56:18.080 And they're constantly attacking what is and what works, you know.

01:56:23.160 And she's attacking Washington Mutual for just saying things your grandfather would have told you to do.

01:56:30.260 Like, if you said, Grandpa, I'm not saving enough money.

01:56:33.860 You go, well, stop spending it at Starbucks and start making your own meals or pack your own lunch or whatever that is.

01:56:38.960 So, she was early money along with Liz Warren on that subject.

01:56:45.300 And that's when I learned to hate her.

01:56:49.180 I have to say, assumes facts, not in evidence, I do not hate her.

01:56:52.320 I actually love her.

01:56:53.620 Oh, you do?

01:56:53.920 I can't get enough of her.

01:56:55.500 I mean, I really hope she gets the nomination.

01:56:57.220 I hope she becomes your next governor.

01:56:58.640 I hope we have her to kick around for many, many years to come.

01:57:01.800 I'll look forward to the next time she's triggered.

01:57:03.840 And I can only hope that a camera will be nearby.

01:57:07.540 Well, her yelling at underlings is the only thing I liked about the woman, I must say.

01:57:13.460 Explain that.

01:57:14.480 Okay.

01:57:15.140 There may be some truth in that.

01:57:16.460 I am here to tell you, as somebody who's been on camera quite a few times, when stuff goes wrong, somewhere at some point you do tend to yell.

01:57:27.980 You know, you go, Bill O'Reilly, do it live!

01:57:30.860 We'll do it live!

01:57:32.660 Fuck it.

01:57:33.680 Yeah.

01:57:35.720 I did hear you doing a bit about how some people who work for you believe there's just no pleasing Adam.

01:57:42.560 There's just no pleasing him.

01:57:43.600 I know.

01:57:44.240 Well, my answer to that is, why don't you try me?

01:57:47.720 Try it.

01:57:48.720 Just let's conduct a wild experiment.

01:57:52.100 You do some of the stuff I ask you to do once in a while.

01:57:55.700 And let's just see how bitter I am.

01:57:58.760 Because I bet it works.

01:58:00.560 There is pleasing me.

01:58:01.320 It's a radical experiment.

01:58:03.340 But we could try it.

01:58:05.640 There is pleasing me.

01:58:07.340 Yes.

01:58:07.960 Yes, I could be pleased.

01:58:09.620 So I mentioned...

01:58:10.480 Not by Katie Porter.

01:58:11.540 I would close my eyes.

01:58:17.500 You'd be with Justin Trudeau's center.

01:58:19.280 Yeah.

01:58:20.760 I mean, on one hand, she would stop talking.

01:58:23.500 I was going to go into a song after that, but...

01:58:38.460 I lost my train of thought entirely.

01:58:45.540 I'm just picturing that.

01:58:47.280 Oh, God.

01:58:47.800 My eyes.

01:58:53.280 I think I was going to ask you about your friendship with Jimmy Kimmel, but let's table that.

01:58:57.600 Let's table that.

01:58:58.520 I want to start with Gavin Newsom.

01:58:59.940 The other...

01:59:00.680 You know, the sitting governor.

01:59:02.220 Yes.

01:59:02.760 Do you recommend him as our next president?

01:59:04.440 The sitting governor.

01:59:07.020 You know, he was born a poor black child.

01:59:09.140 I know.

01:59:09.560 I love his hard scramble.

01:59:12.120 I love his...

01:59:13.040 I love it.

01:59:14.280 Everyone slept in their car.

01:59:16.920 Everyone had it tough.

01:59:18.320 Rich people were, like, lower middle class.

01:59:21.280 You know, I love...

01:59:21.780 He was just like you and your mom.

01:59:23.760 Okay.

01:59:24.400 First off, I'll tell you what poor was like, people.

01:59:27.520 But first off, they always give it away.

01:59:29.380 They always give it away.

01:59:30.060 They go, oh, no, we grew...

01:59:31.020 I was real lower middle class.

01:59:33.060 I had to work for everything I had.

01:59:34.720 No, blue collar all the way.

01:59:36.540 Anyway, my first year at Cambridge...

01:59:38.560 And I'm like, Cambridge?

01:59:42.580 How'd you get there?

01:59:43.940 What are you talking about?

01:59:45.380 Yeah, I grew up poor.

01:59:47.320 You know, food stamps and welfare and blue collar and construction and never went to college

01:59:52.960 and, you know, drove pickup trucks and all that kind of stuff.

01:59:56.700 Which, yeah, I don't know.

01:59:58.400 I don't know when...

01:59:59.640 It became in vogue recently.

02:00:02.000 When I was poor, it wasn't popular to be poor.

02:00:05.000 It was difficult to be poor.

02:00:07.580 But now it's very popular to be poor.

02:00:10.800 And Newsom tries to do it.

02:00:13.540 He did it on my podcast.

02:00:15.140 He did this single mom hardscrabble BS with me.

02:00:19.140 His dad was a judge.

02:00:21.520 And his dad was also, like, head counsel for Getty Oil.

02:00:27.380 I mean, basically, his dad worked with the richest family in America.

02:00:34.340 And Gavin Newsom was buddies with all the Getty's.

02:00:38.740 He was featured in a magazine with the caption,

02:00:41.440 Children of the Rich.

02:00:43.200 Yes.

02:00:43.560 And now he wants us to believe he's a product of Destitution Derby.

02:00:47.280 I was in a magazine called Children of the Corn, which is different.

02:00:52.840 It was very difficult in that field growing up with the poverty.

02:00:58.240 I do remember we had a cat, you know.

02:01:03.000 Poor guy stories.

02:01:04.140 But we had a cat that sort of just adopted us, you know,

02:01:07.520 just sort of showed up at our house one day.

02:01:10.000 And we went to go try to buy cat food at the market.

02:01:15.000 And the lady said, we couldn't use our food stamps to buy cat food.

02:01:21.560 But she did give it to us because my mom promised her we'd be eating the cat food.

02:01:30.360 No, but now everyone's going to, you know, jack in the box and buying, you know,

02:01:35.180 Yoo-Hoo's and everything.

02:01:36.500 Like, what the hell?

02:01:37.300 No.

02:01:37.860 So, like Gavin Newsom, I was also born a poor black child.

02:01:41.620 And I found this out later in life when my mom, who, and my brother's mom,

02:01:46.780 who, she was a big garage sale fan.

02:01:50.300 She still is a big garage sale fan.

02:01:52.580 And she went out, I don't know, she's like 70 years old,

02:01:55.220 and she comes home with her latest purchase from the garage sale.

02:01:58.000 And it's this sweatshirt.

02:01:59.040 And on the front of the sweatshirt reads FUBU.

02:02:04.360 Do you know what that is?

02:02:05.520 For us, by us.

02:02:07.400 It's a black thing.

02:02:08.340 It's an acronym.

02:02:09.100 Well, it's actually a blackronym.

02:02:10.660 Yeah, it's a blackronym.

02:02:12.560 It's not for 70-year-old white women.

02:02:14.620 No, it is not.

02:02:16.020 Yeah.

02:02:17.120 That was the first moment I realized we were black.

02:02:19.260 Yeah.

02:02:20.160 I could have used that.

02:02:21.620 My mom wore a tap-out hoodie for several years.

02:02:26.140 Not even an MMA fan, just garage sale.

02:02:30.520 Yeah.

02:02:31.840 I'll give you a second-hand story.

02:02:35.220 I'll be a one-upper or one-downer.

02:02:38.260 It was all thrift shops.

02:02:41.080 We did a lot of thrift shopping.

02:02:42.600 And everything we bought.

02:02:43.720 You know, and my mom would get sofas off the curb and tuck the sheet in, you know, and the

02:02:48.820 whole nine yards.

02:02:50.020 And my sister had a glass that she got from the thrift shop, and she drank out of it every

02:02:56.320 day for like eight years.

02:02:57.960 And it was a thick, slabbed, weird kind of tall thing, graduated, had like numbers on

02:03:03.400 the side.

02:03:03.780 But it was cute.

02:03:04.600 We got it at the thrift store.

02:03:05.980 And my sister drank out for like eight years.

02:03:07.960 And then one day, a friend of the family came over, and I guess they were a physician or

02:03:12.940 something.

02:03:13.300 And this thing was sitting out, and he walked up to him, and he goes, oh, look at that.

02:03:19.280 It's one of those old-time urine collectors.

02:03:23.120 Oh, no!

02:03:24.580 Yeah, like Civil War veterans with gonorrhea peed into that before my sister got hold of

02:03:33.760 it.

02:03:35.900 Oh, God.

02:03:36.800 And it was interesting, because after she drank from it for a while, I remember I said

02:03:41.340 to her, what's going on?

02:03:42.160 She went, what, tarnation?

02:03:43.880 And I was like...

02:03:45.800 Then she threw her hat on the ground when she was angry.

02:03:49.500 So maybe it got to her.

02:03:51.240 I don't know.

02:03:51.920 You could live forever with those kind of immunities.

02:03:55.460 That's the only upshot when something goes really wrong.

02:03:57.500 We were walking down the street in New York City when my littlest, who's now 12, was

02:04:01.400 like three, four, and he's lagging behind.

02:04:03.720 We're like, where's Thatcher?

02:04:04.520 What happened to Thatcher?

02:04:05.160 We looked back, this is New York.

02:04:06.180 We looked back, he's literally back there licking the scaffolding of a New York City

02:04:12.140 building.

02:04:13.380 The child's going to live to be 200 on the bright side.

02:04:17.420 Kid loves construction.

02:04:19.360 Yeah, he does, just like you.

02:04:20.960 I do.

02:04:21.600 I love construction.

02:04:22.880 You can learn a lot.

02:04:22.960 I mean, I didn't like it when I was building other people's houses, I've got to say.

02:04:28.560 But now that I'm working on my own stuff, I do enjoy it.

02:04:32.660 So what I love about you is notwithstanding your humble beginnings and your construction

02:04:36.780 background, your ability to work with your hands, you have the gift of gab, you have

02:04:41.880 the rhetorical gifts, and you use them to make us laugh.

02:04:45.720 Now, some of your brethren in the comedy field choose to use their gifts, not at all.

02:04:52.860 They've checked all willingness to want to make us laugh and only want to make us think

02:04:57.660 about their opinions, how smart they are, how much better than us they are.

02:05:02.740 And that brings me to Stephen Colbert.

02:05:04.620 I'm going somewhere with this.

02:05:06.940 We have a little soundbite queued up because he's been, I don't know why he's doing promo,

02:05:11.140 probably to save his dying show, which has already been canceled.

02:05:13.600 And for some reason, they let him have some seven-month hiatus where he can stay on the

02:05:17.840 air and just plead victimhood.

02:05:19.380 But here he is explaining why he's so important to you and why you really need him.

02:05:25.680 And this is why you love him.

02:05:27.720 Watch.

02:05:28.440 I'm curious what you feel like the great affirmative case is for a show like yours.

02:05:32.060 Why should shows like mine continue to exist or like Kimmel or Jimmy or whatever?

02:05:36.580 And I said, everyone plays a great affection, which is why I'm saying that.

02:05:38.960 Why?

02:05:39.880 Oh, we're like your friend who at the end of the day paid attention to the news more than

02:05:45.540 you did.

02:05:46.040 And you're aware of it.

02:05:47.140 You just didn't do the detail work that we did.

02:05:49.340 And then we curate that back to you at the end of the day.

02:05:54.240 But it's really more about how we feel about it.

02:05:57.420 I, as the person who met, who like is the vehicle for that.

02:06:00.260 And how we felt about today, all those things that might have made you confused or angry

02:06:07.040 or anxious or happy or surprised or something like that.

02:06:12.880 I feel that way at the camera or to the audience, really.

02:06:16.680 I'm really performing for the audience and the camera captures it.

02:06:21.600 Thank you.

02:06:22.260 Right.

02:06:22.940 His sacrifice.

02:06:25.400 The most amazing thing about that is, first of all, yes, they used to want to make us laugh.

02:06:29.000 But second of all, the number of times with the I, I, I, I, I, I, I, and the dismissiveness.

02:06:34.160 I have actually said to the audience before, I understand you have busy lives.

02:06:37.700 You have jobs.

02:06:38.260 You have families.

02:06:38.980 You definitely probably do not sit there all day looking at every headline and refreshing

02:06:42.320 it.

02:06:42.800 And that's what we in the news business do.

02:06:45.120 But the way he said that was so condescending.

02:06:47.820 Like, I read the news.

02:06:49.380 You don't read.

02:06:50.500 I know more than you do.

02:06:52.060 His arrogance is oozing out of his pores, and he wants to use all of that to educate

02:06:57.980 us because these clearly are better.

02:07:00.800 Yeah.

02:07:01.420 I mean, I think a lot of it goes back to college and the college campus and sort of where a

02:07:08.280 lot of these people come from.

02:07:09.940 Because a lot of these guys are academia-type guys, and Conan O'Brien's like a Harvard guy.

02:07:16.140 There's like a lot of Ivy League sort of elite-ism, and I think somebody said a sense of humor

02:07:24.300 is some sort of marker for intelligence, and they all just jumped on it and held it with

02:07:31.500 both hands.

02:07:32.480 And it can be true sometimes.

02:07:34.400 But these guys, and, you know, I don't want to get in the eye-eye game like Colbert did,

02:07:47.560 but these guys haven't been in the real world for a long time, you know?

02:07:53.600 It's been 30-some-odd, you know, it's basically college.

02:07:57.560 College goes through to, you know, doing the groundlings or improv troops, which are more

02:08:03.860 like-minded people, and then on to The Daily Show, and then, you know, Jon Stewart and

02:08:09.800 everything else.

02:08:10.480 And they've really, they talk about common people or hardworking people or working men

02:08:17.660 or the middle class or anything.

02:08:19.680 They have disdain for those people.

02:08:22.520 And that's why not going to college is like the end of the world for these guys.

02:08:27.740 And I'm always telling people, get a trade, go to trade school.

02:08:30.900 We need, you won't be replaced by AI.

02:08:35.580 If you can, you know, if you can do some, you know, if you can sweat copper pipes and,

02:08:42.080 you know, turn a wrench and, you know, build, use a nail gun, frame a house, like you're not

02:08:48.300 going to get replaced by a robot.

02:08:49.820 So, learn a trade.

02:08:52.560 But these guys are elitists.

02:08:55.900 And co-bearers are elitists.

02:08:57.380 And also, it's why they don't know what they sound like when they talk, because they don't

02:09:02.860 realize they haven't been in that world for a long time.

02:09:07.380 And like I said, they have a certain amount of disdain for those who aren't.

02:09:10.480 Does it also explain why they look at Trump the way they do?

02:09:13.800 Yes.

02:09:15.200 Well, Trump, okay.

02:09:16.460 So, the thing about Trump that you guys may not know is his background is as a commercial

02:09:26.780 builder, right?

02:09:28.040 And commercial builders are always in a hurry because it's always like, well, the foundation's

02:09:34.900 done, but now the framing, but what's holding up the framing?

02:09:38.360 Where are the doors and the windows?

02:09:40.180 Where's the drywall crew?

02:09:41.780 Where's the HVAC crew?

02:09:43.000 Like, where's the pipe fitters?

02:09:44.520 Like, it's always like, who's next?

02:09:45.640 Who's next?

02:09:46.100 Who's next?

02:09:47.100 And they're always in a hurry.

02:09:49.880 And also, you've got to realize, if you're a big-time commercial builder, you need subcontractors,

02:09:58.900 really good subcontractors who work with you all the time and have been there for many

02:10:04.440 years.

02:10:04.680 So, he has to surround himself with people who can get the job done.

02:10:08.600 That's basically Trump is the lead, and these are all his subcontractors.

02:10:13.700 But if you ever see that tape of Trump coming down to Los Angeles after the fires and sitting

02:10:21.420 with Karen Bass, my mayor, who is not a builder, she's more of a destroyer, and who is in no

02:10:30.020 hurry to do anything and may suffer from a little gyno-fascism.

02:10:34.560 And he, Trump is sitting there, and he's going, let's go, let's go.

02:10:39.640 People need to clear their lots.

02:10:41.400 They can start tonight.

02:10:42.540 They should be able to do it themselves.

02:10:43.960 It's their lot.

02:10:44.640 And she's like, slow it down.

02:10:47.160 Take it down.

02:10:48.300 And he's like, no, but hurry.

02:10:50.460 And she's like, no, no, no, no, safety, safety.

02:10:53.860 Just slow it down.

02:10:56.400 And that's kind of the difference with Trump.

02:10:59.180 You can see the sort of commercial builder in him.

02:11:03.840 I mean, he literally is constantly like, hurry, what's next?

02:11:07.860 What do you make of all the gilding at the White House he's doing?

02:11:11.060 The gilding?

02:11:11.920 Yeah, like the gold all over everything.

02:11:15.120 Are we pro or anti?

02:11:16.640 Oh, no, no, I would, look, I've got to be honest.

02:11:19.140 I would make fun of it if someone else was doing it.

02:11:21.760 But that's my job, you know.

02:11:24.280 Yes.

02:11:24.720 That's my job.

02:11:25.440 That's not what you do when you build a house.

02:11:27.820 You know, gold leaf doesn't have a lot of architectural integrity in terms of strength.

02:11:34.300 Like, it doesn't have a good sheer strength.

02:11:37.660 No, it is kind of funny how much gold is in that place.

02:11:43.200 I can make the case for it.

02:11:44.060 Because I'm thinking, like, if you're married to Melania Trump, and you've got to build a

02:11:49.660 house around Melania, there has to be some gilding, does there not?

02:11:54.400 You can't put her in, like, the double wide.

02:11:57.460 No, no.

02:11:59.120 No, she doesn't like bad paneling.

02:12:02.640 She doesn't.

02:12:03.180 No.

02:12:03.360 She won't cook off a George Foreman grill.

02:12:06.700 No, no.

02:12:08.160 I found that out the hard way.

02:12:10.580 Story for another day.

02:12:12.400 A long time ago.

02:12:15.880 Yeah, she needs, like, a refrigerator with a window in it.

02:12:20.520 Yes.

02:12:21.060 Or at least a mirror.

02:12:22.020 That's what I'd do if I were Melania.

02:12:23.760 Now, how about you?

02:12:24.560 Tell me about your love life, because you got a divorce a few years ago.

02:12:27.660 Yes.

02:12:28.000 And I think you got back on that horse, did you not?

02:12:30.900 Yeah, I did.

02:12:32.280 Although she doesn't like it when I call her a horse.

02:12:39.860 Learned that the hard way, too.

02:12:41.520 Yeah, I have a younger girlfriend now, which is nice, you know.

02:12:54.880 But, hoi, hoi, hoi.

02:12:57.400 Yeah, thank you very much.

02:12:59.780 Yeah, it's what happens when you get divorced in Hollywood.

02:13:04.200 You get a younger girlfriend, you know.

02:13:06.520 Was that difficult for you, like, to learn how to date again?

02:13:09.500 Um, no, I actually enjoyed it.

02:13:13.740 But I got to say, I was, I was, it was, it was a, it was a crazy story.

02:13:18.720 I was doing, I was doing a comedy show.

02:13:21.320 And my girlfriend, who's a comedian as well, was putting on the comedy show.

02:13:26.000 Like, it was like a corporate thing.

02:13:27.920 And I saw her there, and she was, like, so beautiful and everything.

02:13:30.960 And when I was talking to her for a while, and at the end, she just said,

02:13:35.300 you know, I got all these beautiful young friends who are single.

02:13:38.780 And I said, oh, good, because I'm getting divorced.

02:13:41.460 So, why don't we try to set up this old guy?

02:13:44.200 Because I need a horse to mount.

02:13:50.500 No wonder that worked.

02:13:51.780 Yeah.

02:13:53.940 And she tried to set me up with her friends, but it didn't work.

02:13:56.520 And I ended up going out with her.

02:13:58.160 You were the consolation prize.

02:13:59.440 That's right.

02:14:00.200 Okay.

02:14:00.480 So, do you think marriage could be in your future again, or are you moving past that?

02:14:06.140 Yeah, I think, I think I can, I can do it now, now that I'm going to die pretty soon.

02:14:11.140 I think, I don't think it's something you want to do in your early 20s, because that's

02:14:15.120 a long time, especially with modern science.

02:14:18.280 But now that I got one foot in the grave, yeah, I could see myself.

02:14:21.680 You're such a romantic at heart.

02:14:26.180 Well, you're the one who called her a horse.

02:14:32.840 Do you guys argue a lot?

02:14:36.040 She's Iraqi, so she has, you know, she's hot-blooded, I guess they call it, a little passionate, you

02:14:42.960 know what I mean?

02:14:43.580 She knows how to argue.

02:14:44.680 When you have a fight, are you, like, my husband needs to make up right away.

02:14:48.080 He can't have me mad at him.

02:14:49.300 Like, he needs to make up.

02:14:50.520 I'm like, you know, I'm half Italian-Irish.

02:14:52.400 I'm like, I need a minute.

02:14:54.600 Yeah, I, you know, it's, it's, there, there, there's a lot that I've learned over the years,

02:15:00.820 and what I've really learned is just because you're right doesn't mean you can argue.

02:15:06.260 And that's basically what I'd like to pass along.

02:15:09.980 You guys know what I'm talking about, right?

02:15:12.120 I, it's, it's, it's, it's still, it's still no, it's still a no-win situation.

02:15:19.500 So, I, I tend to just sort of button my lip, and, and I put my head down, and I just keep

02:15:25.940 walking.

02:15:26.560 You know what I mean?

02:15:27.280 That's good.

02:15:27.900 Yeah.

02:15:28.560 Yeah.

02:15:29.060 Like Dr. Phil says, how can you win when the person you love is losing?

02:15:32.440 Yeah, that's, that's true.

02:15:35.960 And, and I, I do, it is, it is one of those things where I, I really used to just think,

02:15:41.460 well, look, if you're right, then you stand up for what you're right about, and you, you,

02:15:45.380 you, you know, you just make your point, and then you get your hand held in victory, and

02:15:51.020 then you win.

02:15:51.960 But, uh, there are no winners in that, in that arena, is what, what I've figured out.

02:15:58.460 And also, um, I just, I just realized that, you know, uh, I think they call it, uh, I don't

02:16:05.660 know, discretion's the better part of valor, something like it.

02:16:08.100 Just basically shut up and watch TV.

02:16:10.380 Yeah, that's right.

02:16:11.460 That's, that's definitely true, if, if you want any action whatsoever again in your life.

02:16:16.060 Yeah.

02:16:16.700 All right, so let's, let's talk, let's spend a minute on Jimmy Kimmel, because it seems

02:16:20.480 like a modern miracle that the two of you maintained your friendship.

02:16:23.840 We started the night by talking about how many people here have lost a friend, or lost

02:16:27.960 a family member because of their politics, and like, at least 60% of the hands went up.

02:16:32.460 So, how on earth have you guys maintained that friendship?

02:16:37.180 Well, Jimmy, okay, a couple things.

02:16:40.360 Jimmy got me into show business, essentially.

02:16:44.180 He, I was, his boxing coach, and it, it was, you know, sort of a nutty story.

02:16:50.640 I don't know if you know it, or if I've told you this one or not.

02:16:52.800 Yeah, I do, on the radio.

02:16:53.840 Yeah, he was doing a radio, and he was boxing as a morning show stunt, and they needed a

02:17:00.600 trainer, and I, I showed up.

02:17:03.120 And so, he worked very hard to get me out of boxing training, and out of carpentry, and

02:17:11.300 into the radio, which, which he did.

02:17:14.520 So, I have, I've always been indebted to him, because I, I really, I, I cannot, I, I think

02:17:21.600 you'll probably share this, which is, there's nothing worse than an ingrate.

02:17:26.860 Like, when you help somebody, and you take care of someone, and you open a door for that

02:17:30.960 person, you make the introduction, and you do the whatever, and then at some point, down

02:17:35.640 the road, they treat you like shit, or pretend like they don't know you, and it's like, come

02:17:39.240 on, man, I got you into this, you know?

02:17:41.360 And it's such a horrible trait in a person, and I just think, if somebody opened a door

02:17:47.940 for you, and somebody helped you, and somebody really made a difference in your life, you

02:17:55.260 must take that one to the grave.

02:17:57.320 You, you cannot turn your back on that.

02:18:00.120 And so, that, that was like number one for me.

02:18:04.160 Number two, we were always great friends, and politics had nothing to do with our lives.

02:18:09.960 Uh, much like a lot of you, it just, it didn't exist.

02:18:12.720 I don't even know, you know, we're hanging around Los Angeles, it's 1996, we're trying

02:18:17.700 to do comedy.

02:18:18.700 I don't even know who the governor is, and I don't care, and he doesn't either, you know

02:18:23.400 what I mean?

02:18:23.880 And, and it's a neither, it was a neither here nor there kind of thing.

02:18:28.360 And so, it doesn't have to be front and center to any relationship.

02:18:34.920 It's, it's politics.

02:18:36.240 It's sort of, you know, family and friendship and, and faith and other things that start

02:18:42.280 with an F, I guess.

02:18:44.960 You know, all, all above, you know, and then at some point you can talk politics, but we

02:18:50.980 never, we never did.

02:18:52.100 So, and also, I know him as a very good, um, dedicated person, father, friend, you know,

02:19:04.140 treats my kids, you know, I literally, you know, the calm Uncle Jimmy and so on and so

02:19:10.340 forth.

02:19:10.720 So, I, you know, I think there's a thing that happens, which is you guys know the version

02:19:18.500 of him that you see on TV or on your phone or whatever, and I know another version of

02:19:25.120 him, which is a completely different version.

02:19:27.380 Very generous, very magnanimous, um, literally the most gracious person I've ever met, you

02:19:34.120 know, sending gifts for the kid's birthday, you know, every year and so on and so forth.

02:19:39.320 So, I know who he is, politics was never a thing.

02:19:42.600 To be fair to him, he doesn't, he's never done it to me either.

02:19:45.960 It's not, you know, it's, it's kind of a, you know, it's a two-way street.

02:19:49.860 I say things that are horrible according to his constituency all the time and, and, and

02:19:57.360 vice versa.

02:19:58.160 And he never uses it as an example to, you know, disinvite me to any party or, or anything

02:20:05.340 like that.

02:20:05.960 Well, I do think that's the key.

02:20:07.580 Like having friends, I have a lot of friendships with people who are Democrats and liberals and

02:20:10.920 do not share my politics.

02:20:12.280 And I have one friend who's actually woke and was on board with the whole BLM and marching

02:20:16.680 and the whole thing.

02:20:17.380 And we just don't talk about politics.

02:20:19.280 You know, there are so many things you can talk about other than politics.

02:20:22.260 I love her like a sister.

02:20:24.120 There's nothing I wouldn't do for her.

02:20:25.780 We just table all that stuff.

02:20:27.540 And I do think it's important to remind people it's possible.

02:20:30.740 Like, and I think it's the beginning of reconnecting in the wake of Charlie.

02:20:33.800 Now we're not going to be friends with people who want us dead.

02:20:36.340 That's a totally different thing.

02:20:37.520 But people who are normal leftists, well, liberals, I guess I'll say, normal liberals

02:20:42.780 are still worth reaching out to.

02:20:44.520 I think it's the solution.

02:20:45.760 That plus going back to church are the solutions to our problems.

02:20:48.620 Yeah, we don't, we, we'll get together.

02:20:53.080 We don't talk politics.

02:20:54.640 We'll just talk about what a douche Colbert is.

02:20:59.300 That can keep you going all night.

02:21:00.800 Yeah, yeah.

02:21:01.220 And on that note, we got to let you go.

02:21:05.040 Thank you all so much for being here.

02:21:07.920 What a great night, Atlanta.

02:21:09.560 I'm going to miss you when we're gone.

02:21:11.140 Next time I come down to visit Pete, I'm calling you all up.

02:21:15.860 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 10, 2025

Elitist Colbert, Shutdown Politics, and Epstein and Israel - ＂Megyn Kelly Live＂ with Adam Carolla, MTG, John Rich, Lowry and Cooke ｜ Ep. 1190

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