The Megyn Kelly Show - Ending Chronic Disease, Forces Fighting RFK and MAHA, and Power of Functional Medicine, with Dr. Mark Hyman

00:00:00.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:12.120 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

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00:00:24.420 Today let's talk about the fact that we all have nothing if we don't have our health.

00:00:28.480 And we have the perfect guest to discuss how you can take control of your wellness and life.

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00:00:38.820 Dr. Mark Hyman is a practicing family physician and a leader in functional medicine.

00:00:43.180 We'll talk about what that means. He is a 15-time New York Times bestselling author,

00:00:47.360 the host of The Dr. Hyman Show podcast, and the founder of Function Health,

00:00:51.640 a resource that gives you the tools to own your own health.

00:00:55.180 Dr. Hyman was on with us back in February 2023 on episode 498.

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00:02:04.640 Okay. Can we just start with that? What is functional medicine? Because it's not the same

00:02:08.260 as like traditional medicine.

00:02:09.280 No. You know, traditional medicine is really about sick care. It's diagnosing and treating

00:02:12.780 disease as opposed to the science of creating health. That's what functional medicine is.

00:02:17.020 Instead, it reframes our whole perspective to get to root causes rather than just downstream

00:02:20.940 symptoms. So medicine is sort of divided into specialties and different organs and different parts,

00:02:25.760 but your body's one whole ecosystem. And now we begin to understand that and how things like

00:02:31.300 environmental factors, toxins, our diet, stress, allergens, and so forth, interrupt our biology

00:02:39.500 or lack of certain things we need, like the right food, nutrients, amounts of hormones, light, air,

00:02:45.120 water, sleep, connection, movement. All these things are ingredients for health. So functional

00:02:49.300 medicine is about identifying the root causes, which are the lack of things you need to thrive and too much

00:02:55.760 that doesn't, your body doesn't like, whether it's heavy metals or whatever it is, and taking those

00:02:59.840 away. And then your body has this natural intelligence and healing system that allows

00:03:03.300 your body to repair, heal, and renew. And when you create health, disease goes away as a side effect.

00:03:08.760 So functional medicine is really about this new paradigm of dealing with the body as an ecosystem

00:03:12.620 rather than going to a different doctor for every inch of your body.

00:03:16.100 It should just be medicine.

00:03:17.220 Yeah. It just makes sense.

00:03:18.180 But it's not.

00:03:18.900 It's not. It will be. It will be. It's coming. It's like, it's where the science is. It's where we're

00:03:22.480 headed. It takes a generation or two to change science.

00:03:25.040 I was doing some of these things like a year ago. I was getting my life in order physically

00:03:29.320 and in every way. And the woman who was advising me was like, we should get you a test for the

00:03:35.060 heavy metals in your body. And my doctor was like, no, he refused. It was actually something he would

00:03:40.280 have had to order, I guess. And he's like, we're not doing that. And he was not open-minded to it at

00:03:46.260 all. Some of the other stuff, he was like, okay, because I had mold in my apartment or my house at the

00:03:50.820 beach. And he's like, I guess you can get tested for mold. But then he's like, do you really think

00:03:54.900 it's an issue? He was like, if mold were killing people, everybody who lived in the jungle would be

00:04:00.240 dead a lot sooner than people who live in the desert. And they're not. So I've been like pulled

00:04:05.040 between these two, you know, because functional medicine makes so much sense to me. And yet my

00:04:10.220 very no-nonsense traditional doctor is like, no!

00:04:14.560 Yeah, no. I mean, the two things that make us sick are our diet and environmental toxins. And those

00:04:18.640 things are ignored by traditional medicine. My daughter just graduated medical school. I mean,

00:04:22.440 she learned nothing about these things. And yet every day in my practice, I see people with chronic

00:04:25.980 illness, whether it's autoimmune diseases or whether it's metabolic diseases or whether it's

00:04:30.840 digestive diseases or neurodegenerative things like Alzheimer's. And they're all things that we now

00:04:35.140 begin to understand the root causes. And we can actually change those and reverse those chronic

00:04:39.220 illnesses. Like nobody ever heard of reversing diabetes before. Nobody ever heard of reversing

00:04:43.920 Alzheimer's or reversing autoimmune diseases. And you can. And that's the beauty of what this

00:04:47.880 approach does. It's really where medicine's headed. It's where major sort of academic

00:04:53.120 institutions are researching. But it takes a couple of decades for science to become practice.

00:04:59.080 With RFKJ, who I know is a personal friend, Callie and Casey Means, Callie in particular,

00:05:03.500 like a big advisor to him. That's great. He's totally on board with all this. And then you mentioned

00:05:08.640 Dr. Bredesen. He's the Alzheimer's doctor. I mean, he's an expert in Alzheimer's and dementia. He's

00:05:13.480 been on the show a couple of times. And he's been saying, you don't have to get Alzheimer's.

00:05:18.040 You can do things in your life to prevent Alzheimer's. But the so-called traditional

00:05:23.460 community looks at him as like, oh, you know, not, I won't say snake oily, but like, yeah,

00:05:29.560 exactly. Fringe. And like, you can't listen to him. I first got introduced to him by Maria Shriver,

00:05:34.720 who was having fun when she was on the Today Show. She's very into Alzheimer's.

00:05:37.960 Absolutely. Anyway. Well, she's into stopping it. Yeah, yeah. She loves Alzheimer's. Yeah. But

00:05:43.280 so, but that's what's happening right now. In the same way we saw, you know, doctors who were like,

00:05:48.300 you might not want to get your seventh COVID vaccine booster, who got dismissed by people

00:05:52.840 like Fauci as fringe, Jay Bhattacharya as focus protection. That's fringe. Now we're having

00:05:58.500 functional medicine doctors looked at as fringe. But I think there's a different F word and it's

00:06:03.480 future. That's right. It's future. That's changing. I mean, Toby Cosgrove, who's one of the most

00:06:06.740 visionary leaders in healthcare, was the CEO of Cleveland Clinic for many years. And he invited

00:06:10.620 me to come to Cleveland Clinic to establish the Center for Functional Medicine because he realized

00:06:14.520 that the future is going to have to look different when it comes to chronic disease, that the old

00:06:17.900 model of looking for a drug for every disease or a pill for every ill is not going to solve the

00:06:23.060 problem. We saw this massive failure with Alzheimer's. We saw billions of dollars of money,

00:06:27.260 federal money and private money and pharma money going to researching the drugs that they thought

00:06:32.980 would cure Alzheimer's. And none of them have worked. Billions of dollars, hundreds and hundreds

00:06:37.080 of studies. Why? Because they weren't looking in the right place to solve the problem. They were

00:06:40.580 looking at the pathology downstream, not at the upstream causes. And so the causes are not that

00:06:46.160 hard to understand. It's our metabolic crisis. Pre-diabetes are calling Alzheimer's type three

00:06:50.900 diabetes, which is because of the sugar and metabolic issues in the brain. That's why keto diets

00:06:54.880 work so well for Alzheimer's. They're looking at environmental toxins and how they play a role.

00:06:59.460 Whether it's heavy metals or petrochemicals or other toxins, mold may be a factor. Tick

00:07:03.480 infections may be a factor. Nutrition deficiencies might be a factor. I had a patient who was diagnosed

00:07:08.380 with early dementia and she was an older woman who had absorption issues of B12 and also some

00:07:13.560 genetics around vitamin B6 and folic or folic acid. I gave her like vitamin B12 such and high doses of

00:07:20.360 B12 and B6 and folate and her dementia went away. Now that's not saying all causes, all diseases with

00:07:26.780 people with dementia have that as their cause, but you have to personalize medicine. And where

00:07:30.420 everything is going is personalized medicine. And this is just where we're headed. Leroy Hood,

00:07:34.820 who's the father of systems biology, which is how everything is connected and works together as

00:07:39.080 the body's a network, he called it P4 medicine. It's preventive. It's predictive. So you can identify

00:07:46.060 biomarkers or things along the continuum of disease, not wait till you get something. Say, well, you know,

00:07:50.480 I have this problem and I don't feel good or my tests are abnormal. Well, you don't really quite have a

00:07:53.720 disease yet. So come back when you have a really have a disease, then I'll give you a drug. It's not

00:07:56.720 how we should be doing it. So it should be predictive. I see this, I call it like the queen's

00:07:59.760 medicine. You know, how did the queen live to be, you know, her mid nineties, how did the queen mom

00:08:03.340 live to be 101 or two? Like that, because they had personal care that was looking at them all the

00:08:09.040 time on this level, you know, not just like an annual, but, and, and honestly, having known some

00:08:14.240 super rich, like mega billionaires in my media career, they all have somebody who's looking at this

00:08:20.500 stuff all the time. I saw this one guy, super billionaire at this event. I went to it two

00:08:25.240 years ago. And, uh, this is a swanky event. We were there for a few days put on by, you know,

00:08:30.640 another billionaire, but notwithstanding billionaire number one had brought all of his food with him.

00:08:36.700 Yeah. You know, like he was at that level where he was being advised at that level on his health.

00:08:41.720 And the reason I'm mentioning this is because all these people who have money or royalty or whatever,

00:08:45.860 they're invested in making sure it's one-on-one care. Someone's looking at their markers,

00:08:49.840 advising them on what they're putting in their body. It's not just like, try to eat better,

00:08:54.600 get a little exercise, don't smoke or drink so much, right? It's much more great, much more

00:08:58.980 creative. So that's, but you're like with functional medicine and with your program too,

00:09:04.000 you can get this without being a billionaire, without being royalty. That's right. It's basically

00:09:08.220 500 bucks a year. That's right. So function health is, you know, I'm one doctor and it's going

00:09:13.400 to take a generation to change medicine or two maybe. So how do we leapfrog over that? We need to have

00:09:18.320 business innovation. And that's where we created function health, which is a health platform that's

00:09:21.940 personalized, allows you to understand your own biology, be proactive, be the CEO of your own

00:09:25.960 health. And we're learning so much about what's going on underneath the hood for the population

00:09:29.860 that never had been done before. We now have over, I think, 180,000 members. We have over 20 million

00:09:35.300 data points on these people. We can see trends like the severe metabolic crisis we're having in

00:09:40.200 America with high levels of insulin and blood sugar and A1C. And also there are lipids, which we do in a

00:09:45.320 very deep way to look at the cardiovascular risk that traditional doctors don't do. Less than 1%

00:09:49.640 of all tests are for this special new advanced lipid profile. And less than 1% of all doctors

00:09:55.100 measure insulin, which is the most important test you want to know if you're going to live a long

00:09:59.000 time and be healthy. It's the underlying problem. That's the pre-diabetes thing.

00:10:01.140 Yeah, pre-diabetes. But it's not just pre-diabetes. It causes heart attacks, strokes, cancer,

00:10:06.400 dementia. These are all diseases of insulin resistance. When your body doesn't like sugar and it keeps

00:10:11.780 blocking the effects of insulin, you need more and more insulin. And then insulin causes

00:10:15.700 storage of belly fat. It causes inflammation. It makes you hungry. It just creates this whole

00:10:19.660 cascade. And so we're seeing all these amazing things that people didn't know they have. Like

00:10:24.780 inflammation is a big driver of disease. 46% of our population has inflammation. 33% have an

00:10:29.940 autoimmune biomarker, which is sort of amazing to uncover because I don't know what it's causing.

00:10:35.560 Is it our load of environmental toxins? Is it our leaky gut? Is it the COVID, post-COVID

00:10:40.600 phenomena? Well, the vaccine and even just COVID has led to this long COVID phenomena,

00:10:45.260 which is often driving autoimmune disease. And we're also seeing nutritional deficiencies.

00:10:49.040 About 70% of our population has deficiencies in nutrients at the minimum level to prevent a

00:10:55.360 deficiency disease. So how much vitamin C do you get scurvy? Very little.

00:10:59.160 That happened to my husband's good friend on Wall Street when he first started in investment banking.

00:11:03.800 He was eating so poorly. He went to the doctor. This is a guy working in Manhattan. He went to the

00:11:08.380 doc. They're like, you have scurvy. Have you been on a ship for six months? He's like, no, I've just

00:11:14.600 been at my desk. But you know, I've heard you discuss this on your show where we have what

00:11:19.420 percentage of the population now that's obese? Yeah, it's scary. And yet you're saying they're

00:11:23.680 malnourished. Yeah. People are overfed and undernourished. So we see this double burden of

00:11:28.960 obesity and malnutrition at the same time, especially in kids who are eating junk food.

00:11:32.800 But they're tremendous. We're seeing zinc deficiencies, you know, folate deficiencies,

00:11:37.420 iron deficiencies, deficiencies in vitamin D. These are omega-3 deficiencies. These are rampant

00:11:42.560 in our population. And what people don't realize is that these nutrients are the basic lubricants

00:11:47.080 that oil the wheels of your metabolic machinery. So every chemical reaction in your body, and

00:11:51.760 there's 37 billion trillion every second, has to be facilitated by a helper, which is usually

00:11:56.940 a vitamin or mineral. And we're deficient. And it's because we're eating 60% of our diet is

00:12:01.940 ultra-processed food. It's 67% of kids' diet. For every 10% of your diet that's ultra-processed

00:12:07.100 food, your risk of death goes up by 14%. So you do the math. I'm not good at math, but

00:12:10.860 it's a lot of increase in mortality. Those omega-3s you mentioned, so you can get those

00:12:15.040 in something like fish. Fish, yeah. And then the bad omegas are the 6s, which you can get

00:12:18.840 in like vegetable oil. Yeah. And unfortunately, the average kid has a ton of omega-6s in their

00:12:23.780 potato chips and all this. Yeah. They're not really necessarily balancing them out. And then if you

00:12:27.260 do try to balance them out with seafood or fish, the odds are, if you just get it from the

00:12:31.500 grocery store, it's riddled with mercury. That's right. And it may not even be worth

00:12:34.860 the time. You have to get like wild-caught salmon or like a herring. It's the smash fish.

00:12:41.660 Yeah, that's right. Salmon, mackerel, anchovies.

00:12:43.540 But not just any salmon. It has to be wild-caught Alaskan salmon, mackerel, anchovies, herring.

00:12:48.700 Anchovies and sardines. Sardines, right? Yeah. I love those. I'm Jewish. I like all that.

00:12:52.860 Wait a minute. So have you actually opened up a tin of sardines?

00:12:54.620 Have you been to Russ and Daughters in New York? Come on. No, no. Have you ever like opened up a

00:12:57.980 tin of sardines and actually eaten fish? 100%. Every day. Is it the whole body? Like the little

00:13:03.000 bones? Yeah, the bones. The bones are great because sardines are one of the superfoods out

00:13:06.520 there. Did you throw up my mouth? No, come on. It's a superfood. You've got an incredible amount

00:13:10.040 of protein. You've got calcium from the bones, which is highly absorbable. Is it crunchy?

00:13:14.560 Yeah, a little bit. And you've got a rich source of omega-3s that are great for your brain health and

00:13:20.920 many other things. And you've got choline, which is also critically important for your brain. So it's an

00:13:24.960 incredible food. Is this available to me via supplement? Yeah, you can say sardine supplements

00:13:30.200 for sure. Well, actually, I just heard something interesting because I was taking fish oil capsules

00:13:35.460 for a while since I eat no fish. But then somebody's like, you know, you've got to watch that too

00:13:38.540 because be careful who you buy it from. Yeah, you need a reputable source. Right? Because they too

00:13:43.540 could just be getting it from mercury infested fish. So you're basically taking two mercury capsules

00:13:48.660 every night. Yeah. Most of them don't have that, but they filter it, they purify it, and you can

00:13:52.960 look at the before and after testing and see if it's, you know, got- Okay, that's good to hear.

00:13:58.040 Yeah. So- But anyway, so that's just one of the many lists that you gave that like your kids are

00:14:02.600 doing. And I do worry about the kids a lot because you said something that I was like, oh my God,

00:14:08.160 that makes so much sense. Bobby Kennedy's been talking about this too. I cross-examined him for

00:14:13.160 four hours over vaccines. That's how, that's part of his resurrection story. Yeah. And it was great.

00:14:17.880 He was very strong. He had answers for all of his critics' questions about him, which is what I was

00:14:22.920 fronting. And the, the, one of the things he was saying was, no, I, I have not maintained that

00:14:29.820 vaccines cause autism, but I think that we need to look at the toxic stew the children are growing up

00:14:35.080 in as a cause of potential, a potential cause of autism. And, and what's in the vaccines, like the

00:14:39.800 extras and the vaccines like mercury or aluminum should also be factored into that discussion.

00:14:44.000 Made perfect sense to me, but he's, he listed it for me in this discussion saying, look at all the

00:14:49.960 things that kids are going through that were not present when I was a kid. He was talking about like

00:14:54.080 ticks and H ADHD, like everywhere, autism spectrum diagnoses all over the place. And so that made

00:15:02.220 perfect sense to me. And then I listen more to you and you're, you're even next level with it. I think

00:15:07.180 because you're like part of the toxic stew is those potato chips and the soda and the, the absence of

00:15:16.360 cauliflower and broccoli and kale or any of the cruciferous vegetables that might help absorb some of

00:15:23.380 the terrible shit we're putting in our bodies, the kids and we're allowing it. I mean, I I'm guilty of this

00:15:28.680 too. In, in part, we're allowing the kids to treat their bodies like dumpster fires. Yeah, that's

00:15:34.360 absolutely true. I mean, you know, when you look at what happened from when I was born in 1959, it was a

00:15:39.180 long time ago to, to now the change in our chronic disease epidemic is staggering. The change in

00:15:46.360 autism rates have gone from one in 10,000 to one in 30 something kids, depending on where you look at

00:15:51.020 the data, the, the rate of neurodevelopmental issues is now affecting one in six children. We have, we have

00:15:57.460 rising rates of autoimmune disease and allergies and kids. We're seeing obviously obesity in kids,

00:16:02.480 which never saw before. I mean, when I was in medical school, there was no type two or type

00:16:06.860 one diabetes. It was juvenile onset or adult onset. Then kids started getting it. Now 30 plus percent

00:16:11.860 of teenage teenagers have pre-diabetes or type two diabetes. It's staggering. And so the question is

00:16:17.000 why, why has this happened? What's changed in our culture and our environment and in the food? Well,

00:16:21.580 we've industrialized our food system. We've made convenience King. We've food industry has basically

00:16:26.300 taken over. And I, when I say food, I mean the food and ag industry have taken over our society in ways

00:16:31.720 that are pervasive, pervasive and, and actually measurable. They fund academic centers, which to

00:16:37.180 do research, they fund 12 times as much quote, nutrition research as the federal government.

00:16:41.180 They fund academic associations like the American Heart Association, which gets $192 million from the

00:16:47.760 food and the, in the pharma industry. They fund the Academy Nutrition Dietetics, which 40% of their

00:16:52.740 revenue comes from the food companies. And when you go to their meetings and I've been to there

00:16:56.640 and I've spoken there, there's like big exhibit halls that say no pictures allowed. Why? Because

00:17:01.780 it's full of junk food and these, they're promoting to the nutritionists as sort of healthy alternatives,

00:17:06.480 you know? And, and so, uh, you've got them creating front groups like the American Council on Science

00:17:11.060 and Health that is, is actually some of those guys have been in jail for Medicare fraud. And they're a

00:17:15.580 bunch of quacks who are funded by big tobacco, big food, big ag and say they pesticides, trans fats,

00:17:20.160 and high fructose corn syrup are all healthy for you. And then they fund social groups like NAACP and

00:17:25.700 Hispanic Federation to get them to oppose things like soda taxes, which we can argue is good or bad,

00:17:30.000 but they, they, they want to lie themselves so they don't push back on them. And they target those

00:17:34.300 groups more directly than, than other groups. By the way, remiss if we didn't mention, they also

00:17:39.320 fund our lawmakers. Yeah. Well, I was about to say that. And they are the biggest, they're their biggest

00:17:43.340 lobby group. So they fund huge amounts of miseducation and misinformation on both sides.

00:17:48.300 Neither party is immune from this. The Republicans are just as corrupt as the Democrats are and taking

00:17:52.600 money from these groups and voting accordingly. A hundred percent. I mean, I, I, Roger Marshall,

00:17:56.300 who's now the head of the Maha caucus in the Senate. Uh, I called them out in my book, Food Fixed. I

00:18:00.960 said, you know, there was a, uh, a panel on chronic disease and a hearing in Congress. And he was

00:18:06.140 emphasizing, it was just exercise. That was the issue. It wasn't diet at all. And he was, you know,

00:18:10.280 funded by the Confectious Association of the show. And I, and I, and now we become friends. And I said,

00:18:15.560 listen, Roger, I called you out in that book. Just hope you don't mind. He says, don't worry.

00:18:19.640 He's seen the lights. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, people have changed.

00:18:22.580 No, there was an update today. Hold on before it came to air. Um, this just happened. Yeah. We're

00:18:28.480 trying to get Cali means and RFKJ are trying to get, um, to make it such that people cannot use food

00:18:34.580 stamps to buy soda, you know, to try to encourage our, our poorest Americans when they need food stamps,

00:18:41.600 to use them for high nutrition foods and not the worst of the worst. And tooth and nail,

00:18:46.640 the soda companies are fighting this. It's worth something like $60 billion a year to them.

00:18:51.120 And this just happened in Arizona where, um, there was a bill to remove soda from the things you could

00:18:57.660 buy with food stamps with snap. And, um, they wrote it against it. And, and the bill failed to make it

00:19:04.280 out of the health and human services committee in the allergy, uh, Arizona, uh, legislature by a vote of

00:19:09.080 six, six, and who cast the deciding vote against it? A Republican Ralph heap voted against it alongside

00:19:14.900 the Democrats, by the way, not for nothing, but here is, um, I think we have Cali means. Yeah.

00:19:19.660 Here's Cali means reacting to that. It's not one. So there's no correlation or causation between soda

00:19:25.460 and obesity rates. If your concern is obesity, then we should be talking about obesity. We shouldn't

00:19:31.560 be talking about obesity for snap recipients who have social determinants of health beyond just what

00:19:36.640 they eat. I think is that the general public would consider unhealthy. I mean, who knows what the

00:19:40.520 general public considers unhealthy? If the government tries to define in state statute, what's a good

00:19:46.200 food and what's a bad food, it's very, very complicated. We are not going to subsidize sugary

00:19:51.440 drinks for our kids. It's criminal. And this is a no brainer situation. And frankly,

00:19:56.920 these two speakers before me should be ashamed of themselves.

00:20:00.140 Oh, you're crossing a line right there. God bless him. Good. It's hard to, it's hard to imagine how

00:20:07.040 those guys go to sleep at night, uh, saying what they say. No, I mean, it's to say there's no

00:20:12.200 connection. It's social factors that's causing all the obesity amongst it's not. Yeah. It's not just

00:20:16.240 poverty. And by the way, it's affecting all sectors of society, not just the poor, but I, last I checked,

00:20:20.940 JB Pritzker is pretty rich and he's morbidly by obese by anyone's standards. That's true. But when you,

00:20:25.900 when you look at SNAP or food stamps, it's called supplemental nutrition assistance program,

00:20:31.560 but it's really about food security, which means you get enough calories. So you can eat

00:20:35.100 2,500 calories of soda a day, and that's enough to, to fuel your metabolism, but it's going to

00:20:42.000 kill you. And, and it's not nutrition security, which is what we need in America, which is providing

00:20:47.580 enough nutrients to people who have, have also food insecurity. And when you, and you look at SNAP,

00:20:52.880 20, 20% of Coca-Cola's U.S. profits come from food stamps. It's a big chunk of Walmart's profits.

00:20:59.620 And, and the, the people don't realize that we pay for the, the problem multiple times. The, the,

00:21:06.740 there's a, a new kind of concept called the commercial determinants of health, which is how

00:21:11.300 multinational and transnational corporations privatize profits and socialize the costs of

00:21:15.860 suburb public health. And so we, we, the taxpayer is paying the bill. We pay like probably four times,

00:21:21.240 for example, for the food. We pay to buy that soda. That's right. We pay for the farmers to grow

00:21:25.700 the corn that makes the high fructose corn syrup that goes in the soda. Then we pay for the soda

00:21:30.800 with SNAP. And then we pay for Medicare and Medicaid on the backend to deal with the chronic

00:21:35.820 diseases like diabetes that result from it. And who's paying for the environmental consequences of

00:21:40.180 how we grow the food using methods that disrupt our soil, the loss of soil organic matter. We've lost

00:21:45.920 a third of all our topsoil as soon as we're going to lose all of it. The amount of water resources we

00:21:51.120 use to, to, to irrigate, which are, which are because the farming methods don't retain water

00:21:55.300 in the soil. For every 1% organic matter, you retain 25,000 gallons of water per acre. So we're

00:22:01.040 losing huge amounts of our, of our water infrastructure. And we're also poising the rivers and lakes

00:22:05.980 because all the neuroelectrician fertilizer flows down to them and causes the overgrowth of algae,

00:22:10.360 which sucks all the oxygen out and kills the fish. And so we have dead zones the size of New Jersey

00:22:14.440 in the Gulf of Mexico or America, whatever I call it now. And there's 400 of those around the world

00:22:18.580 to feed half a billion people. And then we lose biodiversity. 75% of pollinators are gone. So

00:22:23.320 the, the, the list goes on. Who's paying for all that? Who's paying for the bees being destroyed?

00:22:26.620 Who's paying for the water being destroyed? Who's paying for the fish being destroyed?

00:22:29.000 So basically it's us. It's, this is the part of conversation where I just want to open up a bag

00:22:33.240 of Doritos. I give up. I give up. I can't like, there's no winning, right? There's, we're probably

00:22:38.620 inhaling enough microplastics to kill us right now. You know, it's like, by the way, that was another thing I

00:22:42.800 learned in preparation for today. The average person, is it here? The average person now today

00:22:47.500 has, this is from a, it was on the, it was in the New York times today on micro, microplastics.

00:22:53.720 The human brain samples from 2024 had nearly 50, 50% more microplastics than brain samples from 2016.

00:23:00.660 They estimate there are five bottle caps worth of plastic in the average.

00:23:06.760 Can't be good. Can't be good.

00:23:08.080 Five bottle caps. Can't spare it. And it was, so, so it's overwhelming. Like the farming that

00:23:13.860 let's just start there. You know, that's what like Casey and Callie have been saying, we need

00:23:17.120 regenerative farming, which I don't really totally understand, but it seems like it, it's going to

00:23:22.200 be really hard to make the farmers do that and really expensive. And when I sat in on those RFKJ

00:23:27.780 confirmation hearings, even the Republican senators seem to be like a little like, I'm cholly for you,

00:23:33.000 except when it comes to the farmers.

00:23:34.380 Yeah. Well, the thing is the farmers are big voting base. And so you don't want to lose them,

00:23:38.480 but you also want to take care of them. Cause when you look at farmers in this country,

00:23:42.000 suicide rates are higher than almost any population, chronic disease rates, Parkinson's,

00:23:46.560 cancer, because of how they're farming. They're, they're not able to make significant profits.

00:23:50.540 They're, they're really marginalized in terms of their, their way they're stuck between the

00:23:54.260 bank loans, the crop insurance and the seed and chemical companies that they have to buy the

00:23:58.440 seeds and the chemicals from. So they're kind of the stuck in the middle and there is a way out.

00:24:02.980 And it's been demonstrated. The science is there, the economics are there to convert farms that are

00:24:09.420 industrial farms to regenerative farms. And that can be done at scale. And this has been well shown

00:24:12.960 in a movie coming up called Common Ground. I think it's going to be released in about a week on Amazon.

00:24:18.180 A regenerative farm.

00:24:19.060 Yeah. And it shows how, you know, like these big, you know, corn farmers can actually do this and

00:24:22.620 and they make more money. They restore the ecosystem. And what is regenerative farming?

00:24:27.000 It's basically mimicking nature. You know, Gabe Brown was a farmer in North Dakota and conventional

00:24:31.800 farmer. And he, his farm was destroyed by drought, hail and all kinds of things. And he was like,

00:24:36.620 what am I going to do? And he started reading Thomas Jefferson's journals. And in the journals,

00:24:40.380 it explained how he used methods to restore the ecosystem, to use natural pest control methods,

00:24:46.880 to actually use methods that actually restore soil, to retain water, that do all the things we want

00:24:51.840 to do. And Gabe Brown has demonstrated this on his 5,000 acre farm in North Dakota. And has actually

00:24:57.080 makes 20 times as much money, restored the soil, doesn't use irrigation, doesn't need to use

00:25:02.560 chemicals. It produced much more food, much more nutrient dense food. And it's all been well

00:25:07.200 documented through science. So it's possible. It's just a matter of how do we transition farmers?

00:25:12.500 How do we support them to do that? And private equity is investing in this. I mean, private

00:25:16.280 equity is in paying farmers to convert because they know they're going to get a return on the

00:25:20.360 back end. To regenerative. Yeah. They know it's, it's a, it's a profit center and they're going to

00:25:24.360 make more money than, than industrial. I was just thinking about, um, wind turbines, which many of

00:25:28.980 us absolutely hate. Yeah. And most environmentalists kill the birds. Yeah. They kill the birds. They kill

00:25:35.780 the land. It's like, they're full of toxins. The, the, um, the blades are as long as a football field.

00:25:41.460 Each blade is as long as a football field and several tons. And they're like, just, and you get

00:25:46.240 up to hundreds of them in a wind farm. Anyway, I, we have a summer home along the Jersey shore and

00:25:53.040 they're about to get pummeled by one of these wind farms. And it's just so disgusting. Thank God for

00:25:57.060 Trump for stopping most of them in progress. I don't think he's that order was going to help us,

00:26:01.440 but in any event, um, all the money that Obama and Joe Biden have been funneling into wind and solar

00:26:09.380 energy, which is very inefficient. It costs so much. It requires so much land, um, and toxins

00:26:14.860 and reliance on the Chinese and so on. Um, why don't, why don't we funnel that into American

00:26:19.720 farmers to help them switch over to regenerative? A hundred percent. It's, it's, it's one of the

00:26:23.800 best things we can do for the environment, for the climate, for, for energy. I mean, the, the,

00:26:29.280 there's so much oil used in farming. People don't realize it's, it's a huge amount of the inputs

00:26:34.300 are all oil-based. So fertilizers, the pesticides, the, the amount of oil usage, or I have the big,

00:26:39.420 you know, machinery, all that is, you know, enormous amount of oil that we use just to grow

00:26:43.220 vegetables and grow corn and grow soy and wheat. So that, that can be changed.

00:26:47.940 By the way, my husband wrote a book on Rudolph diesel who invented the diesel engine. They should

00:26:51.880 be using diesel engines and powering them with corn. That's a place we could use good corn oil

00:26:56.240 or vegetable oil. They can power the engines of the tractors.

00:26:59.220 Better to use it in the engines than in our bodies.

00:27:01.460 That's how the diesel engine was born. Okay. So regenerative farming is definitely one of the

00:27:06.660 things. Now, what happens when the average patient comes in to see you? Like you do the blood tests

00:27:11.920 and where do you start? Like what, for the average listener, like what are the top five? Cause they

00:27:15.780 don't know how to read their blood tests. You know, I am consider myself a relatively sophisticated

00:27:21.640 consumer in this department. I don't know how to read my blood tests. I know you're supposed to look

00:27:25.580 at the HDL and the LDL and beyond that, I don't really know. Right, right, right. So what,

00:27:29.380 what should the average person be looking at? What's one of the most important things?

00:27:33.340 Well, I, you know, I think we've had this edifice in medicine where the doctor is the gatekeeper and

00:27:38.500 the healthcare system is the gatekeeper between you and your own biology. And I believe that needs

00:27:41.960 to be changed and people should be empowered to know what's going on in their bodies and to have

00:27:46.020 the information to interpret it. And that's really why we co-founded Functional Health was to allow

00:27:50.360 us to break down that barrier, to allow a personalized health platform, to allow you access to your data

00:27:55.720 and then to know what to do about it. What does it mean? Yeah. And, and do you give them a code?

00:28:00.860 A code? I mean, like you have all the numbers now after your blood tested through function,

00:28:04.480 but like now what do you do? Yeah. How do they figure out what it means?

00:28:07.520 Essentially we're, we're building the engine and we have tens of thousands of pages of content that

00:28:12.220 educates people about what it means, what to do about it, what the root causes are. So let's say you

00:28:16.760 have a positive autoimmune antibody in a traditional healthcare system. You say, okay, you're going to go to

00:28:20.780 the rheumatologist. They're going to see if they can diagnose you with some autoimmune disease. And then

00:28:24.260 they're going to give you an anti-inflammatory drug that's going to suppress your immune system,

00:28:27.600 whether it's a steroid or a biologic that costs 50,000 dollars a year. They're not going to go,

00:28:31.680 why is this abnormal? So we guide you through an understanding of what it means and why is this

00:28:36.920 potentially an issue? Is it because you're, you have a leaky gut and your microbiome is messed up?

00:28:41.920 Is it because you're eating gluten and it's driving that autoimmune biochemistry? Or is it because

00:28:45.880 you're exposed to environmental toxins that are immunotoxic that affect you? So we begin to sort of

00:28:51.360 sift through, or is it because you had COVID or because you have Lyme disease or whatever. And

00:28:55.620 then you can sort of sift through and say, oh, gee, this is why I may be sick. And then we say,

00:28:59.900 here's how you further investigate. And here's the kinds of doctor you want to see. And here's the

00:29:03.360 next steps, or here's things you can do on your own. So it's really about self-empowerment.

00:29:07.320 By the way, this is all the stuff that Dr. Bredesen says about preventing Alzheimer's.

00:29:10.960 This is so worth it for everybody's time.

00:29:12.600 100%. It's preventing everything. Cause it's like, you know, there are a few common causes

00:29:17.180 that drive all the chronic disease we're seeing. And it's not that hard. It's the too much of the

00:29:21.800 bad stuff and not enough of the good stuff that our bodies need. And when you take out the bad stuff,

00:29:25.380 you put in the good stuff, which is essentially what functional medicine is, the body knows what

00:29:29.640 to do. So I'll give you an example. So I had a patient come in and she had psoriatic arthritis.

00:29:33.560 She had terrible inflammation of her skin and joints were swollen, you know, the heartbreak of psoriasis,

00:29:38.420 but she also had terrible heartburn and reflux. She had terrible irritable bowel syndrome.

00:29:43.040 She had migraines, she had depression, she had prediabetes, she was overweight. And she was,

00:29:48.020 you know, 50 issue business coach. And I said, gee, you know, what are all these things?

00:29:54.340 How are all these things related instead of, you know, seeing the best doctors,

00:29:57.860 which she did at Cleveland Clinic, the best doctors, rheumatology, the best migraine doctor,

00:30:01.060 the best GI doctor, the best depression psychiatrist. And she was seeing the best of every class

00:30:06.080 and got the best of the state of the art current model of treatment, which was just

00:30:09.620 pharmaceutical drugs. Nobody said, why is she having these problems? It's the medicine of why,

00:30:15.140 not what, why do you have this? Not what disease do you have? Not what drug do I give, but why?

00:30:19.200 And then we investigated because she had all these gut issues. A lot of your immune system is in your gut.

00:30:24.020 And so I cleaned up her gut. I got rid of the bad bugs. I gave her an antibiotic and any fungal,

00:30:28.060 restored her microbiome with probiotics, gave her some fish oil and vitamin D,

00:30:31.200 came back six weeks later. And she's like, doc, everything's gone. I lost 20 pounds.

00:30:35.720 My psoriasis is gone. My arthritis is gone. My migraines are gone. My depression is gone.

00:30:39.820 I feel great. My irritable bowel reflux are gone. And I stopped all my medications. I'm like,

00:30:43.620 I didn't tell you to do that. She was like, no, I just was feeling so good. I stopped them.

00:30:46.780 And so once you understand how to unlock someone's health and give them the roadmap,

00:30:51.920 they can do it. Have you seen this in children too?

00:30:55.680 Yes, of course. I mean, I'm a family doctor and I've treated, you know, thousands and thousands of kids.

00:30:59.660 And it's just so disturbing to me when I see the kinds of things that really are affecting these

00:31:05.560 kids. I mean, I had one little girl who was 10 years old and she had this horrible autoimmune

00:31:10.260 condition that was triggered by her eating crappy sugary diet that was causing tons of yeast overgrowth

00:31:16.000 in her gut. She also had gluten antibodies that were causing some injury to her gut lining that

00:31:21.020 can trigger autoimmunity. She also loves sushi, which was weird for a kid, but she left a lot of

00:31:25.260 mercury laden too. Now she was eating a lot of that. She was, she had mercury toxicity and we

00:31:29.240 basically reset her gut. We put an elimination diet. I gave her some things to get rid of the,

00:31:32.920 the overgrowth of yeast in her gut. And I gave her chelation to get rid of the mercury.

00:31:37.140 And she had something that was, she was on like 1200 milligrams of solumedrol, which is like a

00:31:42.120 horse dose of steroids every three weeks intravenously. She was on chemo drug called

00:31:46.520 methotrexate. She was on like drugs to help with her rain nose and other than her gut issues.

00:31:51.660 So calcium channel blockers. She was on a whole list of things. Aspen because she had more

00:31:54.800 blood clotting, she was on a pile of drugs and, and she really couldn't function really very well.

00:32:00.020 And she completely fixed it. She was a hundred percent better. And, you know, I checked with

00:32:04.460 her 10 years later, she's doing great. You know, she's gone to college and is really healthy. And so

00:32:08.540 we see that if we started to dig into the root causes and help people understand how their body

00:32:13.000 is actually organized, not how medicine currently organizes it, we can do tremendous amounts.

00:32:17.620 And that's really why I think function health is so important because it helps us leaf frog over the

00:32:21.640 current medicine, empowers people with their data and, and, and helps them understand what to do

00:32:25.520 about it. I, I heard you talking with someone and forgive me if you weren't the one with this story,

00:32:30.200 but I think it was you talking about a kid's handwriting. Oh yeah, that was me. Yeah. Yeah.

00:32:34.240 So, so, I mean, we hopefully can show this on the show, but I, there's a kid I had who had ADD and this

00:32:38.560 is what first got me to realize that what was happening in the body affected the brain in a very

00:32:44.160 profound way. It wasn't just the mind body effect, but the body mind effect. Many of our psychiatric

00:32:48.080 illnesses are caused by dysfunctions that we can treat, not with ADD medication, which is now

00:32:53.540 prescribed. We are going to definitely spend time on this. This is interesting. Yeah. I mean,

00:32:57.080 and, and this kid had ADD, but he had also all these other issues. He had asthma and he had allergies

00:33:03.140 and he had stomach aches and he had headaches and he had, you know, a whole list of stuff. And he was

00:33:07.080 seeing seven different doctors, about seven different prescriptions. And he was on Ritalin. He'd been

00:33:11.520 kicked out of kindergarten. He was that bad. Oh boy. And his writing was terrible. He had,

00:33:16.080 these kids often have what we call dysgraphia. It means that you can't read their writing,

00:33:19.600 really poor handwriting. But like at 12 years old, you couldn't even read it. And his mother

00:33:24.760 came to see me. We put him on a clean diet. He was only eating processed food. We did a nutritional

00:33:29.360 testing and it was, it was like so malnourished. I mean, he wasn't really overweight, but he was

00:33:33.180 really malnourished. I don't know. Is it so strange that a mother who would be like taking all those

00:33:37.860 doctors and like having. Well, she finally got to me. She didn't like it, but she's like doing the best she

00:33:42.080 could as a mother. You don't know. And then she heard. It doesn't even occur to you that maybe it's

00:33:45.740 nutrition. I think for a lot of people doesn't even occur to you because you, especially with

00:33:48.800 a child who you think can process anything. It's true. And the two months later, the mother

00:33:52.860 brings him back and he's doing better at every level and he's off all the medications. But what

00:33:58.280 was so striking to me was his handwriting before and after she showed me his handwriting from his

00:34:02.360 homework and it was like a different kid. And it was at that moment I go, wow, how did his brain

00:34:06.840 going from being chaotic and dysfunctional and not synchronizing properly to being kind of

00:34:12.500 functioning and organized and structured so that he can actually function in the world

00:34:17.960 and not have ADD and his handwriting go back to normal. Cause it wasn't like I gave him a

00:34:21.780 handwriting class, you know? And I was like, wow, this is crazy. And that led to me writing

00:34:26.060 this book called the ultra mind solution, which is how to fix your broken brain by fixing your body

00:34:29.540 first. And this was like 15 plus years ago. And now there's departments of metabolic psychiatry

00:34:34.060 at Stanford, nutritional psychiatry at Harvard. You guys, Chris Palmer is a Harvard professor,

00:34:38.840 a psychiatrist discovered accidentally, you could cure schizophrenia on a ketogenic diet. And now,

00:34:44.680 you know, there's $3 million grant that just got given to Mayo to study ketogenic diets and

00:34:49.300 severe mental illness, like bipolar disease and schizophrenia. And we had such a stigma against

00:34:53.440 this instead of understanding that this is something that actually is because our biology is just

00:34:56.620 not functioning properly.

00:34:58.300 You know what I'm thinking about right now? After we had, um, you know, did you watch that round table

00:35:01.600 that they had in the U S Senate with, um, uh, Ron Johnson and Callie and Casey were there and,

00:35:07.580 and the Atlantic did a big writeup of it after and called it the woo woo caucus. Yeah. Yeah.

00:35:13.380 They were so dismissive and disgusting about these ideas being discussed in a serious way. And that's

00:35:19.680 what we're up against is that, you know, you start to say like, maybe we can head off schizophrenia

00:35:25.260 with diet and they say, I'm out. You're crazy. Yeah. But this is actually looking at academic

00:35:32.160 medical centers. This is what they're studying. Like they're looking at these things seriously

00:35:36.300 because the data is there. And so, you know, Max Planck, who was a physicist said, you know,

00:35:41.440 scientist doesn't advance by convincing your opponents and helping them see the light. But

00:35:44.880 because a new generation grows up, that's familiar with it. In other words,

00:35:47.760 medicine advances one funeral at a time. And so it's unfortunate people get very ossified in their

00:35:53.960 ideas. And Thomas Kuhn wrote about this in the structure of scientific revolutions, how

00:35:57.460 it's very difficult to convert people who believe a certain thing like the earth is flat or the

00:36:02.140 earth is the center of the universe or that species arise in their fixed state, you know,

00:36:05.900 basically that it was an insurrection, whatever. Yeah. Like people basically just have this

00:36:10.980 very fixed view of the way things are. And it's very hard to change that. Paradigms are really hard

00:36:16.460 to change. We just think autism was caused by refrigerator mothers that ulcers are caused by stress.

00:36:20.980 And the guy who actually was a gastroenterologist would notice in the biopsy, so the stomach that

00:36:25.920 there was this bacteria hanging around. He's like, what is this? Maybe this is the cause.

00:36:29.140 And everybody laughed at him. The whole gastroenterology field just made him a joke.

00:36:32.680 And he said, well, I'm going to prove it. He's drank a beaker of this bacteria.

00:36:35.760 He got his partner to like, he got an ulcer. He got his partner to scope him before and after.

00:36:40.220 He took antibiotics, cured the ulcer and then proved it. And he won the Nobel prize for it.

00:36:44.220 Oh, wow.

00:36:44.900 So, you know, what, what one day seems like a quack and the next day is actually standard of

00:36:50.320 care. To me, it just doesn't seem quacky at all. It seems like absolutely logical and sensible.

00:36:55.100 People won't accept it. And I think part of it is it's so much easier to take a pill. You much

00:37:00.100 rather be told, just take this drug and you're good as opposed to completely change the way you

00:37:03.960 eat. And by the way, you need to move more. I mean, it's so hard to do Megan in our environment

00:37:08.100 because everything is set up for us to fail. We have a toxic wasteland of nutrition that we live in.

00:37:12.780 Our body, we don't need to move our bodies at all if we don't want to. We don't get outside very

00:37:17.100 much. You know, we have so much stress. We have high levels of stress. We don't sleep well. These

00:37:21.400 are just fundamental things that the human organism needs to have in order to thrive. And, you know,

00:37:26.420 we, we, we take care of our dogs and our animals and our horse racehorses in ways that we, you know,

00:37:31.280 in ways that are, are so much better than we take care of ourselves. Like we wouldn't feed our,

00:37:35.620 our million dollar racehorse, McDonald's, big fries and a Coke. We'd feed it to our kids.

00:37:39.080 Right. Right. Well, I was thinking about what you just said, uh, about how we're just not set

00:37:42.760 up, you know, for success here. And the family went to Scandinavia in June. We did a Sweden,

00:37:49.340 Norway, and Denmark, and they're all basically the same country, but in terms of their approach

00:37:54.080 to lifestyle and so on. But in Denmark, they have it set up there. There's, there's some waterways

00:38:00.400 there and they have it set up so that almost every office building has a stairway down to the water.

00:38:04.320 Yeah. And it's encouraged that on your lunch break, you would go take a swim. Yeah. You would

00:38:10.340 go downstairs, you'd eat outside and it's cold there. They know that, but they all bike to work.

00:38:15.620 First of all, everybody bikes, even the royalty in Denmark and Sweden, they bike around a very sort

00:38:21.840 of mobile culture. And then think about it. If you went to the office and the office culture

00:38:26.520 was during lunch, we eat healthy. We go outside, we swim in the water. And then there are showers

00:38:33.520 to shower off. When you get back into the office, you have a 90 minute break where you can do all

00:38:37.520 of that. Yeah. And then back to work. Yeah. We're the opposite. We're like, what the hell are you

00:38:42.260 doing away from your desk for 90 minutes? 90 seconds. You know, Scandinavia? No, we're the USA. We

00:38:48.200 produce, you know, we're the envy of the world in terms of our production and so on. That's our mindset.

00:38:52.320 There are some benefits to it, but in the health department, not really. No, no, it's very

00:38:57.920 disturbing. I mean, when you look at us compared to every other country, we spend more than twice

00:39:02.180 any other nation on healthcare, which is almost $5 trillion, $1 in $5 of our economy. The federal

00:39:08.040 government pays for 40% of that and it's $1 in $3 federal dollars. So we're footing the bill and

00:39:14.080 we're 48th in life expectancy. I think Cuba and Albania are better than us. Oh my God. Albania?

00:39:19.460 I think so. Maybe they don't have good records, but like when you look at the list, like what are

00:39:24.380 we doing here at the bottom of the list? And I mean, Trump on Joe Rogan, he showed this graph.

00:39:28.720 What's the number one reason for that? What's the number, if you had to pick one?

00:39:31.340 I think it's, it's, it's our, it's our diet. Ultra processed foods? Yeah. It's, it's the,

00:39:36.180 it's the takeover of the American food supply by the industrial food system. Yeah. And

00:39:41.380 chemicals everywhere. I mean, like within that, what's the number one culprit? Ultra processed

00:39:45.520 chemicals. I think it's sugar and starch, sugar and starch. And then you can add in the chemicals

00:39:49.760 and all the rest of it. And by the way, is, is, is bread, um, it's bread bad. It's bread basically

00:39:56.040 sugar. Yeah. Well, actually the glycemic, something called the glycemic index, which is how much a given

00:40:00.620 food raises your blood sugar is based on white bread. So that's a hundred. So that's the highest

00:40:05.560 sugar is actually 80 because it's made up of fructose and glucose, but it's a little bit trick

00:40:11.400 because fructose doesn't raise your blood sugar, but they both have the same. Yeah. Below the neck

00:40:15.780 of your body cannot tell the difference between a bowl of cereal or a bowl of sugar. Wow. Or a loaf

00:40:21.600 of bread or a loaf of bread. You keep, it's just the same thing. So when you eat white bread, you're

00:40:26.120 basically eating sugar and, and the American population consumes 152 pounds of sugar and 133

00:40:33.060 pounds of flour per person per year. That's almost three quarters of a pound per day. You know, I mean,

00:40:39.740 the, the, the dietary guidelines, which need to be fixed. And I'm working on that with a non-profit

00:40:44.600 that 10% of our diet, they say can be sugar. That's 12 teaspoons in an average 2000 calorie diet

00:40:50.280 for a kid. The average kid's eating 36 teaspoons of sugar a day. Well, that, and that's a pharmacologic

00:40:54.760 dose. I feel like it might've been Callie or Casey. One of them was saying at the turn of the 20th

00:40:59.300 century, you know, the 1900 or so, the average, you know, recommended daily or, you know, the average

00:41:05.180 intake of sugar amongst American children was zero. Yeah. Zero on a day-to-day basis. Now they

00:41:11.660 say you can have like 28 grams. Yeah. It's crazy. It was zero. Yeah. Well, you know, when, when the

00:41:15.840 World Health Organization, um, tried to reduce the recommended amount of sugar to 5% of your diet

00:41:21.760 from 10% in the recommendations, Donald Rumsfeld, when he was under Bush too, flew, flew to Geneva and

00:41:29.260 said, we're going to pull our $400 million of funding from you. If you do that, it's crazy.

00:41:35.740 Yeah. I mean, that's how powerful the food industry is. They have infiltrated every aspect

00:41:39.000 of our society. Oh, and, and not to mention that they're basically accounted for most of the

00:41:43.700 marketing and TV besides pharma. It's all junk food. I mean, I watched the Superbowl last year.

00:41:47.480 It was 11 junk food ads in the first half. They're pushers. Yeah. They're pushers. If they were doing

00:41:51.820 this with, you know, heroin, we would see the danger, but it's addictive. I mean, the science is so

00:41:55.960 clear in this, Megan, 14% of adults and kids are biologically addicted to food. This is according

00:42:01.300 to the Yale food addiction scale. It's a scientifically evaluated metric for looking at

00:42:04.600 food addiction. And I'm not talking about just like, Oh, I love, I love cookies because I love

00:42:07.520 cookies, but like people who really can't stop like an alcoholic that's staggering. And in, and these,

00:42:12.880 these companies know this, they've designed the food to be like this. They, the tobacco companies

00:42:17.180 bought in the seventies, a lot of the food companies like RG and Abisco and, um, Philip Morris

00:42:21.440 Kraft, right? Yes. And then they got out of cigarettes and into crackers and they

00:42:25.720 engineered these foods with taste institutes where they had craving experts to create the bliss point

00:42:30.440 of food, to create heavy users. These are their own internal terms they use. And in fact, they,

00:42:34.640 they actually have take little two-year-olds and put them in MRI scanners to see which images will

00:42:38.620 light up their brain in their pleasure center. So they'll see their mommy when they go to the

00:42:41.580 grocery stores, buy this, buy that, you know, give me the cocoa pebbles or whatever it is.

00:42:44.840 Right. That is so dark. I was just thinking about my little guy today at breakfast who was like,

00:42:49.000 mom, there's this meal service that will deliver the meals pre-made if you want to, you know,

00:42:52.340 sign on to that. And I was like, well, they did a good job if they got to my 11 year old who brought

00:42:57.320 it to me at the breakfast table, right? Like they're definitely marketing to the right people.

00:43:00.520 That's right. Um, but there's so much to go over. I wanted to say something about the food. Oh,

00:43:06.900 is it true that bear bought Monsanto? Yeah. So one of the biggest drug companies in the world,

00:43:13.680 but one of the biggest chemical companies in the world that's spraying our food with everything,

00:43:17.700 getting us sick by the day. And then where do we go back to the medical companies?

00:43:25.240 That's right. Well, it's actually, actually there who makes some of the drugs for non-Hodgkin's

00:43:29.800 lymphoma. And there's been multiple lawsuits that have been won. Yeah. Wasn't there just one?

00:43:35.580 Yeah. $2.1 billion settlement for glyphosate, which is roundup or basically an herbicide that is

00:43:42.320 sprayed on 70% of crops, um, that is in most of our bodies and most of our urine. When I tested

00:43:48.360 this and now you can see it, it's pretty scary. And they basically on one hand caused the disease

00:43:54.420 and then they, on the other hand, treat it with the drugs. It's a good business model.

00:43:58.940 Glyphosate really scares me because one of the things you don't think about, even if you try to

00:44:02.660 eat healthy back to that guy who's carrying around his food everywhere, that billionaire is what

00:44:08.900 about when you go out to eat? You don't know. What about when your kids go to school?

00:44:11.640 You don't know. I mean, it's true. I mean, you can, you know, have your own garden in the

00:44:14.480 backyard, but if you want to eat, if you're out on the road, I mean, like you and I are

00:44:17.060 out there and doing stuff, you can't always control where your food's coming from unless

00:44:20.560 you're a billionaire with your own private chef in your kitchen that flies around with you on your

00:44:23.240 jet. Then I met with a super billionaire who had his own cows. He got his own meat from his own

00:44:29.700 cows that were like, I mean, like there are so many levels of this, but keep going. You don't know

00:44:33.760 because like in the restaurant, those vegetables are probably treated with roundup. You're not getting

00:44:37.800 organic vegetables in the restaurant. You're probably not getting grass-fed beef. You're not getting

00:44:41.620 pastured chicken. So it's like, you need to eat at home. That's expensive. It's harder. People are

00:44:49.020 busy. It's to the point of it's also overwhelming. Yeah. But you know, Megan, it's not an accident

00:44:56.360 that Americans have been disenfranchised from their own kitchens. This is a deliberate plan

00:45:00.680 by the Food in the Street to make Convenience King. Happened in the early 60s. They were worried about

00:45:04.900 the advent of this woman named Betty, who was a home ec teacher, was teaching about families how

00:45:10.180 to cook and grow gardens. Miss Crocker? No. I'll get to that. I'll get to that. But you know,

00:45:15.760 there was federal extension workers that were teaching young families how to take care of

00:45:18.480 themselves and actually do the things that are not that hard if you know what to do. And so the

00:45:22.800 food industry freaked out about this and they invented Betty Crocker, who was not a real person.

00:45:27.380 I thought she was a real person. I didn't know that. Yeah, she was not a real person.

00:45:30.840 Actually, you're telling me Aunt Jemima's not real. She's not real.

00:45:34.920 But Betty Crocker cookbook, if you remember it, because you probably had it in your mom's kitchen.

00:45:39.100 Yeah, I remember. Add one can of Campbell's cream of mushroom soup to your casserole. Add one roll

00:45:43.820 of Ritz crackers. They insinuated processes. It was delicious though. Okay. All right. But it was

00:45:48.300 like they insinuated all this crap into our diet. And then they, and then they got TV dinners. And then,

00:45:53.840 you know, we got, you know, you deserve a break today. We got Fleischman's margarine and tang and

00:45:59.120 all these foods that were. Twinkies. Right. Twinkies. Like I grew up on that stuff, you know,

00:46:03.460 and it turns out that this was not an accident. This was a deliberate attempt to, to sort of,

00:46:09.120 you deserve a break today. It was sort of the classic thing where, and women's lib also kind

00:46:13.520 of facilitated that because I get women out of the kitchen and women's liberation. And then no one was

00:46:17.160 in the kitchen at all. Right. That's right. And so we had now have generations of Americans who don't

00:46:21.100 know how to cook, who don't know basic life skills. Um, I was, I was, did a movie with, with, um,

00:46:26.040 um, years ago called fed up, which was, I think it's on Netflix. It was about childhood obesity.

00:46:30.340 And it was talking about these issues. And it's part of the movie. I went down to South Carolina

00:46:34.180 into one of the worst food deserts in America in easily South Carolina. I worked with a family of

00:46:38.380 five who lived in a trailer on food stamps and disability. So I had very limited resources

00:46:42.480 and very limited access to good food. And the mother was massively white. The father was already

00:46:47.940 at 42 on dialysis for kidney failure from type two diabetes. The son was like 50% body fat. A kid

00:46:54.960 should be 10%. He was big guy. He's like, Dr. Ryman, am I going to be a hundred percent body fat? I'm

00:46:59.560 like, no, you're not. And I said, I'm not going to give them a lecture. I'm going to go to their

00:47:04.420 kitchen and I'm going to show them what's in their, their pantry. I'm going to show them what's in

00:47:08.580 their freezer and in their fridge. And I'm going to help them understand the things that are harming

00:47:11.980 them because they're thinking they're trying to do the right thing because they want the father to lose

00:47:15.040 weight or they can't get a new kidney. So rather than give them a lecture, I taught them how to

00:47:18.400 cook a simple meal called, and it was from a little guidebook called good food on a tight

00:47:22.260 budget. Food that's good for you, good for your wallet, good for the planet. And it was like cheaper

00:47:26.660 cuts of meat, cheaper vegetables. I mean, you know, stuff that, you know, would be considered

00:47:30.320 sometimes peasant food that my family grew up on. And I did it with them and I didn't know it was

00:47:36.520 going to happen. And the mother texted me a week later. She says, we lost 18 pounds as a family in a

00:47:40.940 year. They lost 200 pounds. You know, they didn't even have cutting boards and knives. Everything was,

00:47:44.480 you know, microwaved or whatever. And, and they did it and they learned how to cook. And they,

00:47:49.000 I gave them a cookbook and was just, it was like, I was like, wow, we're one meal away from

00:47:52.580 transforming society. And I realized I had a bias. I had a judgment. I thought people who are overweight

00:47:56.880 and I bought the implicit bias in medicine, which is eat less and exercise more, meaning it's your

00:48:01.320 fault. You're fat, you're a lazy glutton and it's your fault. So get your shit together. But that's not

00:48:05.320 true because people are hijacked. Their biochemistry is hijacked. Their brains can't hijack their

00:48:09.300 metabolism hijack their hormones are hijacked their immune system hijacked their microbiome is hijacked.

00:48:13.160 And that drives you into this disease state that we have in America today. And so in,

00:48:17.720 in this kid was a 16 year old, he lost 50 pounds, had to go get a job. And there was no place to get

00:48:23.080 a job except fast food places on there. He gained 50 pounds back. He says like putting an alcoholic

00:48:26.960 to work in a bar. Yeah, totally. And then he, he, he texted me later. He's like, Hey, would you help

00:48:31.700 me? And I helped him. He lost 132 pounds. First kid in his family to go to college, finished college,

00:48:37.420 email me and say, Hey, Dr. Hyman, would you write me a letter of recommendation for medical school? And now

00:48:41.220 he's a doctor. Oh my God. So chills. And I, yeah, that's to me, that story is, is, is,

00:48:46.300 is a emblematic of the fact that we're literally one meal away from transforming the health of

00:48:51.480 America. If we can go in and, and, and Paul Farmer did this with TB and AIDS in Haiti,

00:48:55.900 it was an intractable problem that, you know, they didn't have clean water. They didn't have

00:48:59.280 sanitation and watches. And these drugs are complicated to take back then. And for multi-drug

00:49:03.820 resistant TB and AIDS. And he was like, we can fix this. And he was community health workers,

00:49:07.980 neighbors, helping neighbors. And so we, we like, imagine if we created a workforce of,

00:49:13.140 of community health workers to go out there and go into people's homes and show them how to do this.

00:49:17.080 And we did this at Cleveland clinic. We, we did this with, honestly, we, I have the idea. We

00:49:21.100 should take all the DEI instructors who are about to lose their jobs and train them in nutrition and

00:49:26.180 send them into all communities and, and educate people. It's true. I mean, I'm shocked. I was at

00:49:30.880 Cleveland clinic and, and we, there was a hospital there that takes care of a big African-American

00:49:35.620 community. That's very underserved. And we had a cooking class and I thought a few people would

00:49:39.620 show up 300 women showed up and we, we had this big cooking class. That's what I need too. I need

00:49:45.080 it just for just to make food period. Nevermind healthy food. All right. We're going to take a

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00:54:11.080 You're not dispensing medical advice there, but you are giving people tools to go.

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00:54:24.020 important question, which is how do people find a functional medicine doctor?

00:54:28.020 Good question. We need more of them. But I think part of the reason I co-founded Function was that

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00:54:41.900 having functional medicine being accessible to everybody or having their, their own health data

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00:54:50.520 the infrastructure yet. And we will, I promise you, we will. Megan, have the future of medicine

00:54:55.300 come to pass as the way it should be. Just as we now don't any longer do blood leeches or

00:55:01.300 all we do for some wound healing, or we don't have like drill holes in people's skulls to let

00:55:06.100 out the bad, evil humors. I mean, we, we advance in medicine. And I think, you know, this new

00:55:10.700 generation of the network systems, medicine, it's going to the scientific paradigm, it's going

00:55:14.680 to come to pass.

00:55:15.360 This makes it exciting to go to med school in today's day. It's like, this is, this is a way of

00:55:20.680 truly healing people and helping people get better as opposed to just, you're going in,

00:55:25.380 you're going to be governed by the insurance companies. You've been upper limited on how

00:55:28.660 much you can make and how much you can help.

00:55:30.560 Yeah. And doctors need to learn about, like, I mean, food is the biggest cause of disease

00:55:34.740 and the biggest cure and doctors learn nothing about it. And in Texas, nothing in Texas, I was,

00:55:39.860 I was testifying in front of the health and human services committee about a bill that was to

00:55:45.120 actually start to educate doctors about nutrition and to mandate it in medical schools and a graduate

00:55:49.560 medical education and residencies. I'm so excited about that because that'll be a domino effect.

00:55:54.240 Once, once state starts to do it, it'll sort of be a trend. And, and then we can actually start to

00:55:58.800 train the new generation of doctors that is in the right paradigm.

00:56:01.460 And nurses too. I mean, there's so many people who can do this who, you know, short of getting an MD,

00:56:06.800 which would be like more accessible and more affordable for a lot of people too. So you've

00:56:12.960 mentioned it several times, the keto diet. I've had it mentioned to me many, I don't understand it

00:56:17.720 still. No, I, I've, I think I've looked it up and it says it's more like fat.

00:56:21.140 Well, it's pretty easy to understand. So your body is like a hybrid car. You can run an electric or

00:56:26.180 in gas. Gas is dirty burning, electric's clean burning. Gas is carbohydrates. So your body runs

00:56:33.260 very well in carbohydrates, but there's a lot of downstream consequences of having a high starch

00:56:38.200 carbohydrate diet. For certain conditions, and this was first discovered in medicine with epilepsy,

00:56:42.760 we found that, that if you took away all the sugar and starch and you increase fat to like 75%,

00:56:48.120 you could actually stop seizures that no medications would touch. If you look back at

00:56:52.500 the history of medicine and diabetes, treatment of type one diabetes, where your pancreas just shuts

00:56:57.140 down, all these kids would die. And the way they would treat them would be putting them on a

00:57:01.680 75% fat diet. Jocelyn. Saturated or unsaturated? Everything. You know, lard, butter, everything.

00:57:09.180 Oh. And I mean, by the way, Megan, 25% of breast milk is saturated fat. Yeah. It's gotten a bad

00:57:15.860 rap. It's gotten a bad rap. I mean, we can go into that too if you want. But what was fascinating

00:57:19.680 back in the teens and 20s was medicine was actually prescribing ketogenic diets for type

00:57:25.920 one diabetics to save their lives. And now we see that we can actually reverse what is predominantly

00:57:32.840 a carbohydrate intolerant society where we have 75% overweight, 93% metabolically broken, meaning they

00:57:39.800 have some problem with regulating blood sugar and insulin. 93% of us, I mean, 6% of us aren't.

00:57:45.020 Probably you and me are part of that 6%, but it's not a lot of people. And when you restrict

00:57:50.960 carbohydrates and you increase fat, you actually switch basically from a gas burning car to a

00:57:58.980 electric burning car and it's clean burning. But now we're finding it's effective for reversing

00:58:03.140 type two diabetes, for treatment of Alzheimer's, for cancer. Siddhartha Mukherjee, you may have heard

00:58:09.140 of him. He's a famous oncologist from Columbia, written a book called The Emperor of All Maladies

00:58:13.540 on the Pulitzer Prize. He's now doing research on ketogenic diets for end-stage cancer like melanoma

00:58:18.820 and pancreatic cancer and seeing complete reversals.

00:58:20.880 What?

00:58:21.360 Because, yeah, because basically cancer runs on sugar, but it's not like a hybrid engine. It

00:58:25.960 can only run on carbs. It can't run on fat. So you starve it of this carbs and cancer cells die.

00:58:32.020 It's pretty remarkable. So across the spectrum, whether it's autism or Alzheimer's or cancer or

00:58:36.600 type 2 diabetes or schizophrenia or depression or bipolar disease.

00:58:41.900 How does this jive with the old eat food, mostly plants, not too much?

00:58:49.260 Yeah. I think you can do it on a plant-rich diet and you can do it in a way that doesn't include a lot

00:58:56.880 of junk. And so-

00:58:58.520 Just put a lot of olive oil over your salads.

00:58:59.900 Olive oil, avocados, yeah, nuts and seeds. And even, you know, people do well. I mean, I think,

00:59:05.160 you know, you have to understand that there are certain people who do better or do worse

00:59:07.880 depending on their genetics. And so I had a patient who was overweight, who was struggling

00:59:11.900 with lots of inflammation, who was pre-diabetic, whose cholesterol was like 300,

00:59:15.720 it should be 200. Her triglycerides were 300, it should be 100 or less. Her good cholesterol,

00:59:20.880 we don't really like to call it good or bad, but the HDL was low, which is a sign of this

00:59:25.040 metabolic dysfunction. And she was desperate to try to do something. This is in the pre-Ozempic era.

00:59:30.160 Yeah, right.

00:59:30.580 I said, listen, why don't you try a ketogenic diet, see what happens. And let's follow your

00:59:33.580 numbers and see how you do. Everything corrected. Her cholesterol dropped 100 points. Her triglycerides

00:59:38.060 dropped 200 points. Her HDL went up 30 points. She lost, you know, 25 pounds and she felt great.

00:59:43.240 And so, and her pre-diabetes went away. So depending on the person, it can be a very

00:59:47.720 effective tool, but it's not like a one size fits all.

00:59:50.240 Why? Is that much fat bad for like somebody who has heart disease in the family or something?

00:59:54.700 There may be, but there's actually a paper coming out soon, which looks at what we call

00:59:58.680 lean mass hyper-responders. There are certain people who, when you have a perfect sort of metabolic

01:00:04.220 health, in other words, you have no pre-diabetes or insulin resistance and no inflammation,

01:00:07.740 and you're a fit athlete and you have basically a lot of lean mass and not a lot of fat on your

01:00:13.440 body. When they consume high saturated fat or ketogenic diets, they'll have a really dramatic

01:00:18.820 increase in their LDL cholesterol. Now, this is something that doctors have been trained as bad

01:00:24.040 and that you immediately have a knee-jerk reaction to prescribe a statin drug, which is the number one

01:00:28.800 class of drugs sold in the world. Now, some of these people have LDLs not under 70, which cardiologists

01:00:35.180 would like, or even under 100, which is their lab reference range, but they have LDLs of 200,

01:00:39.380 300, 400, 500, 700, and they have no heart disease through imaging tests.

01:00:45.180 Right, because like the calcium score.

01:00:46.420 Calcium score. And so this is like a revolutionary new bit of data that's now emerging from the

01:00:50.600 scientific literature, like what is going on here? How does this work? Well, when you don't eat

01:00:55.380 sugar, you have to transport energy around the body. And how do you do it? Through fat, right?

01:00:59.440 And what is the biggest fat carrier? It's your lipoproteins, which are because fat and water don't

01:01:05.960 mix, right? So you can't just put fat in your blood. You have to connect it to proteins. So what

01:01:09.500 is LDL? It means low density lipoprotein. It's a lipo means fat protein. So you put a fat and protein

01:01:14.560 together, it can be transported through your body for energy and other sources. So it's really, it's

01:01:19.100 fascinating. The science is constantly evolving. And I think for certain people, ketogenic diets can be

01:01:23.680 life-changing, like life-changing. I've treated schizophrenia with it, treated Alzheimer's with it,

01:01:28.460 autism with it, depression with it, obviously type 2 diabetes with it. And you can reverse up to 60

01:01:33.440 to 70% of type 2 diabetes. That's very advanced where people are on insulin. When I was in medical

01:01:39.040 school, chronic diseases were chronic. They never went away to reverse heart failure, to reverse

01:01:44.480 diabetes, to reverse kidney issues, to reverse hypertension. These things don't happen in

01:01:49.640 traditional medicine. What about the thought of mixing the keto diet with Mediterranean? Because that's

01:01:55.060 the other one that everybody loves Mediterranean. Yeah, yeah. Well, you can eat a Mediterranean diet,

01:01:58.820 but that's not necessarily a ketogenic diet. Ketogenic is a very specific thing that happens

01:02:02.820 in your body. Do you go on keto like forever? I eat keto now. Some people do, and they thrive on it.

01:02:09.640 Other people don't do well on it. So I think it's very- Like try it for a month and get your

01:02:13.880 inflammation under control. You need about, you know, usually six weeks to adapt to become fat adapted

01:02:17.700 to your metabolism shifts over. And then you can see where you're at and then check your numbers. But

01:02:21.680 you know, there's a company called Virta Health that's reversing type 2 diabetes with an online

01:02:25.620 program of ketogenic diets. And not only have they seen 60% reversal, not only they've seen 12%

01:02:31.740 weight loss, which is massive. It's as good as any of these drugs that are out there now that

01:02:36.360 actually they've done a parallel study like comparing just, you know, their program to Ozempic and those

01:02:42.220 drugs. And they were equally effective in the outcome. So it's not something magic about Ozempic.

01:02:47.100 It's the weight loss, you know, and it's the change in metabolic health. And so you can do it

01:02:53.160 through various ways, whether it's a drug or whether it's a ketogenic diet. And they found their lipid

01:02:57.880 biomarkers, over 20 different cholesterol and heart disease risk factors, all got better by eating a

01:03:03.740 super high fat diet, right? So-

01:03:05.560 And again, so you're saying, but also saturated fat. So like, well, that would be like red meat,

01:03:09.620 like the fat that you get. I'm trying to think, what's good for you saturated fat? I know bad for you

01:03:14.720 saturated fat is in the ultra processed foods. Well, trans fat is basically the worst.

01:03:20.340 That's the worst you can do. And that's basically vegetable oil shortening. And they call it

01:03:24.260 shortening because it shortens your life. You know how many things call for that, by the way,

01:03:27.640 having like a daughter who's in eighth grade, every time she has to make brownies or cookies for the

01:03:31.940 school, you know, all of it wants actual vegetable oil. And like, she's, I don't know if you can use

01:03:36.680 olive oil. I'm like, you're using it. It's olive oil cake. I mean, yeah, it's fine. Actually,

01:03:41.580 it tastes a little different, I confess, but it's healthier, I think.

01:03:45.320 Yeah, you can. And so, so, you know, the, there's, there's a tremendous amount of emerging

01:03:49.900 data that saturated fats aren't the boogeyman we thought they were. You know, there was,

01:03:53.600 it was a long history of a scientist named Ansel Keys in the sixties who basically did a study

01:03:58.560 called the seven country study, which show that people who had higher levels of saturated fat had

01:04:03.280 higher LDL and higher heart disease risk, but they left out the other 14 or 15 countries where their

01:04:09.220 data didn't match that like Switzerland or France or right. So, you know, like I was cherry picking

01:04:14.760 a little bit. And then we got into this era of low fat and that led to the food pyramid,

01:04:19.920 which told us to eat six to 11 servings of bread, rice, cereal, and pasta day, which we did

01:04:24.800 like a dutiful population. I mean, that was a nice time. Let's be honest.

01:04:28.640 We did that as dutiful citizens. And what happened to America? We exploded.

01:04:33.280 Give me that sourdough. I need more.

01:04:35.040 That's right. Well, sourdough's not so bad, but, but the diabetes rates explode. I mean,

01:04:38.700 we've tripled the obesity rates and we've tripled the diabetes rates.

01:04:41.800 You can see it.

01:04:42.860 I mean, this is not a genetic problem.

01:04:44.740 Do you see those memes online where they show Americans in the 1900s and they're all,

01:04:48.760 first of all, they're well-dressed and second of all, they're all slim. All of them are slim.

01:04:52.300 It's very rare to see an obese person, even in the United States a hundred years ago.

01:04:56.740 Not even a hundred years ago. I mean, African-Americans in the sixties were

01:05:01.300 healthier than white Americans. They were thinner and they had less disease.

01:05:04.660 Now it's the opposite. You know, when we saw COVID attack certain communities like,

01:05:09.100 like New Orleans or Chicago, and there were 70% of the deaths were for 30% of the population,

01:05:14.740 which was African-American. And, and when you've watched like a, there's a movie called

01:05:18.960 Amazing Grace or the Aretha Franklin was filmed in 1970 in Oakland. There wasn't an overweight

01:05:24.720 black person in the audience and she wasn't overweight. Wow. And, and you go like, Whoa,

01:05:29.800 wow, that's crazy. And now 80% of African women are overweight and obesity rates.

01:05:34.480 And heart disease rates and hypertension rates and kidney failure rates far exceed the-

01:05:38.840 And you can tie this to ultra processed foods and to the demonization of fat and, and elevation of

01:05:45.540 sugar. Yeah. Yeah. And that was the problem. And now we've kind of kind of reversed that trend. And I

01:05:50.340 think, you know, it's, it's a, it's a big sort of tanker ship to move, but we, we have to do it

01:05:55.760 because we're, we're, we're not only threatening our personal health, we're threatening our national

01:06:00.700 security. 70% or 77% of recruits for the military are rejected because they're unfit to fight because

01:06:06.640 they're overweight or other reasons because of their diet. You've got global competitors being

01:06:11.060 challenged. We're like 30 something in math and reading in the world because kids are, can't learn

01:06:15.340 in school because they're all doped up on these drugs and eating sugar and these chemicals in the

01:06:20.040 food that are causing ADD behavior issues and all sorts of things. And depression. And depression.

01:06:24.380 I heard you talk about this too. This is like everybody, you go to a therapist today, whether

01:06:28.500 it's you or a child, the first thing I want to do is prescribe you something. They want to get your

01:06:32.340 college age kid hooked on a drug like that. Yeah. They're like, they've helped a lot of people.

01:06:36.540 There's no explanation of no one would ever ask, what are you eating? No, no one, no one. It's true.

01:06:42.720 It's true. I mean, it's, it's, it's the most amazing thing to me because it's so obvious,

01:06:46.660 but as doctors, we learned that, you know, disease really doesn't have anything to do with nutrition.

01:06:50.960 If you go to your rheumatologist and autoimmune disease, they have something to do with

01:06:53.820 nutrition. If you go to GI doctor, I mean, I'm like, what do you mean? I mean, think about it.

01:06:58.320 You're putting pounds of this foreign stuff in your mouth every day. How does it not impact what's

01:07:01.980 going on in your gut? Right. Right. It's like, it's kind of crazy. So, I mean, if you're feeling

01:07:06.160 depressed, you're feeling anxiety, rule number one should probably be, take a look at what you're

01:07:10.720 eating. What are you eating? Yeah. I mean, I have an incredible approach to one of my patients where I

01:07:15.840 put them on a reset program. It's like hitting your body's factory reset button. So go to back to your

01:07:21.220 original factory settings. And I called the 10 day detox diet. I've written a book about it.

01:07:25.720 And there's a website where you can kind of go and 10 day detox diet.com and actually learn about it

01:07:29.700 and do it if you want to. And what's amazing is that in 10 days, there's a 70% reduction in all

01:07:36.160 symptoms from all diseases, which sounds crazy for me to say it, but I've done this so many times

01:07:40.940 and so many people and track their symptoms and how they feel. And it allows them to see the

01:07:45.440 connection between what they're eating and how they feel. Oh, I didn't know that this constant

01:07:49.280 congestion I had was from when I was eating. I didn't know that this rash that I've got in my

01:07:53.120 body all the time I can't get rid of is from what I mean. I didn't know that my stomach issues are

01:07:56.680 related to my, or my sleep issues or my depression or my migraines or whatever it is. Food is generally

01:08:02.120 the first place to look. And if you can clean the deck and take out the bad stuff and put in the good

01:08:06.060 stuff, you know, take out all the processed foods, all the sugar and starch, put in, you know,

01:08:10.460 lots of vegetables, good, healthy, you know, protein, lots of nuts and seeds and get out all the

01:08:15.900 ultra processed foods. The body is so smart. It's like quickly changes. And I, I'm sort of,

01:08:20.480 I'm sort of shocked when I see it and it's repeatable every single time. Can we talk about

01:08:24.200 red meat? Is there a lot of people who are on this carnivore diet? There's hardcore red meat all

01:08:28.680 the time. Yeah. We've got vegans and the carnivores on one side. No, we've got a good friend who's

01:08:32.600 Argentinian and he's like, every single member of my family had LDLs through the roof and no heart

01:08:37.860 disease. And they lived into their low hundreds. Yeah. And they, all they did was eat steak. Yeah.

01:08:41.800 Well, they had grass-fed steak in Argentina and so there's no industrial. But what's, I mean,

01:08:46.560 when I was growing up in like the eighties, they were like, I remember, cause I was a young aerobics

01:08:50.360 instructor and my fellow aerobics instructors were shaming themselves for having meat more than once

01:08:55.420 a week. And I was like, Oh, I didn't even know that was bad. Well, that was a result of this

01:09:00.040 demonization of saturated fat. The meat has some saturated fat. So if you eat that, you're basically

01:09:05.360 going to kill yourself. So there was a whole era where people were eating very low amounts of meat and

01:09:10.500 our meat consumption has gone down. And it didn't mean that all the disease rates went down. So

01:09:16.660 something didn't kind of line up. And what happened with meat is that we kind of got confused because a

01:09:22.180 lot of the population studies that were done at that time and population studies do not show cause

01:09:27.300 and effect. They just look at trend lines and then it may be a cause or it may be a correlation.

01:09:33.220 And what they found was that people who were meat eaters in those eras actually had more disease.

01:09:37.420 But when you look at the specifics of, of their behaviors, the meat eaters in those studies,

01:09:41.900 they ate 800 calories more a day. They drank more. They didn't eat their fruits and vegetables.

01:09:45.980 They ate more sugar. They didn't exercise. They smoked. That's why they were sicker. It wasn't

01:09:51.020 because of the meat. And when you look at studies, for example, when they've done this with 11,000 people

01:09:55.380 who shopped at health food stores who were either, you know, omnivores and ate meat or vegans or

01:10:00.120 vegetarians, they both had their risk of death reduced in half. It's because they weren't eating all the

01:10:03.980 crap. Right. So it's not the meat. It's what you eat with it. Is it the, is it the burger or is it

01:10:09.460 the bun? And the sugar, you know, I have to, I just noticed this the other day, but for example,

01:10:14.100 my kids love ice cream and I was just looking at those, you can get those, uh, like dark chocolate

01:10:19.480 bars at whole foods. I like the one that's like mint blackout in any event. It's it, if it's over

01:10:25.540 90%, you know, cacao, which is going to mean it has less sugar, you can have four squares of that

01:10:35.320 chocolate, which is a decent size. It's for the, you know, if you're watching this on YouTube,

01:10:39.740 it's like about this big, maybe a little smaller, but about around there. And it's only five grams

01:10:44.360 of sugar. Like if you really have a Jones for something sweet after dinner, you could have that

01:10:49.980 for five grams. We could have a big bowl of ice cream, which might have 30, even more grams of

01:10:55.940 sugar. People don't even know what a gram. And then, I mean, this is an example of how the food

01:10:59.700 industry has taken over our government in, in labeling. And we're trying to change front of

01:11:05.060 package labeling and food labels, but no one knows what a gram of sugar is. If I say four grams is a

01:11:10.800 teaspoon. If I say this soda has 15 teaspoons of sugar, you're going to like blink and look twice.

01:11:16.120 If you say it has 39 grams of sugar or 40 grams, you're not going to know what that means.

01:11:21.780 No. And that's on purpose.

01:11:23.040 So a teaspoon is about four grams?

01:11:24.060 Yeah.

01:11:24.340 Okay.

01:11:24.820 That's on purpose.

01:11:25.960 Right.

01:11:26.360 You know, I mean, you have to have a PhD nutrition to decipher one of those labels.

01:11:30.540 Right. They make it so hard for you.

01:11:31.540 Make it really hard. So, so I think, you know, in other countries they have better front of package

01:11:35.160 labeling, which is either red, this is going to kill you, yellow, eat with caution, green,

01:11:39.680 you can do as much as you want of it. Or, you know, they put warning labels in South America.

01:11:43.260 They have big, like octagon stop signs with this.

01:11:47.200 Scull and crossbones?

01:11:47.960 Yeah. Basically. I mean, I don't even know South America.

01:11:50.200 On your Skittles?

01:11:50.720 If you go on a plane in South America, you get your snacks. It's like you can't eat any

01:11:54.260 of them because they all have like three different stop signs on them with basically warning labels.

01:11:58.580 That's a good idea.

01:11:59.560 Yeah. I mean, on a can of soda, which is a diet soda, they put in warning labels that

01:12:02.960 says, this is going to harm your kid and this can cause neurologic issues and don't

01:12:05.860 drink it. Don't feed it to them.

01:12:06.980 Oh my God.

01:12:07.660 I mean.

01:12:08.080 Great. More like it.

01:12:09.220 Yeah.

01:12:09.420 Um, our executive producer has a third grader. He has two kids, but one of them is in third

01:12:15.440 grade and he has a question I bet a lot of our listeners have, which is what can you pack

01:12:20.880 in a lunch that is healthy for a third grade child? And frankly, for most children, because

01:12:26.480 you try to send, try to send your kid to school with a bag lunch or send your kid on a field

01:12:31.940 trip with a bag lunch.

01:12:32.420 And they'll trade it with the other kid for the junk food.

01:12:33.680 You know, and, and I, I too don't know where to begin. It's so hard. They're not going

01:12:39.240 to eat a salad. First of all, no, you don't need a salad, but you know, it's real. It should

01:12:43.580 be real food. And there's lots of yummy things that kids can eat that they like that aren't

01:12:48.020 bad for them. And what we need to do is stop putting lunch bowls and go-gurts and all these

01:12:52.940 sort of industrially designed foods that aren't technically.

01:12:55.180 As my doctor says, yogurt is a lie.

01:12:57.580 Right.

01:12:57.900 He doesn't mean nonfat Greek yogurt. He's talking about.

01:13:01.140 Or full fat Greek yogurt.

01:13:02.180 No, no, he's not talking about that. He's not talking about, you know, yogurt. That's

01:13:05.940 not sugary.

01:13:07.260 Yeah. I mean, people don't realize that you can get your like, you know, sweetened yogurt

01:13:10.620 that's low fat that has more sugar per ounce than a soda.

01:13:15.140 Yeah. But you can, you know what? I have this almost every day for breakfast. I have, I'll

01:13:19.200 either get nonfat or 2%, uh, the phage, fahe, yogurt, uh, Greek yogurt.

01:13:24.200 You can get the full fat, Megan.

01:13:25.140 Can I get the full fat? I don't know. I, I don't want to, you know, I'm a little worried.

01:13:28.260 You can. Um, and I'll put like blueberries in there and I'll put some chia seeds in there

01:13:33.520 and I'll put some hemp seeds in there. I'm just, I don't even know why I'm just told those

01:13:36.520 are good for you. They're, they're protein, I guess protein and good fat. And sometimes

01:13:39.780 I'll sprinkle just a little low sugar granola in there, which you can get with no seed oils

01:13:44.140 on it. You got to like, you got to look for that, but not too much because you don't want

01:13:48.100 to like completely overload it with, you know, sugary products or whatever, but it's so good.

01:13:52.080 Yeah. It's, it ties me over for hours and I love it. And I know it's good for me.

01:13:55.980 And if you know, if you make your home a safe zone, you teach your kids about food, you cook

01:13:59.520 with them, you show them what food's about. That's what they learn. Okay. But let's give

01:14:03.660 them an actual possibility that could go in there. What could be in their school lunch? Yeah. What

01:14:07.600 could go in there? I mean, you could put, uh, like, uh, I don't know. I mean, like you can

01:14:12.020 make a sandwich out of healthy stuff, right? You could have, uh, I'm just blanking now. Cause

01:14:16.240 I haven't packed my kids lunch. You can't, you can't do chicken nuggets. Can you? Or can

01:14:20.080 you do like the organic ones that you get it? Yeah, you could do that. I mean, you can

01:14:23.060 do that that are, that are not, you know, deep fried in the bedroom. You can't get sliced

01:14:26.780 deli meat, right? No, sliced deli meat is not good. That's the devil. You know, the bologna

01:14:30.060 sandwiches with mayo and bread. I mean, you shouldn't be putting a sandwich in there. I

01:14:33.780 mean, you could, if it's, if it's whole grain bread and you, you know, you know, the source

01:14:36.780 of it, I think the kids need to eat real food. And what's the problem is that they're not

01:14:40.320 eating real food. And there are, there are great guides on how to do this. Um, I'm, I'm like

01:14:44.760 thanking on school lunches. Cause basically I, an apple fruit, cheese, cheese,

01:14:50.080 can be fine with cheese. Yeah. She's going to be fine. I prefer sheep or goat cheese.

01:14:54.320 What else, Steve? What else do we need to know? Hold on. See if there's a followup.

01:14:59.660 What, what kind of meat? Yeah. What kind of meat in the sandwich? Like turkey, sliced

01:15:04.940 turkey, roast beef, not deli. No, not deli turkey. Cause that's like kind of ground up

01:15:10.140 and mixed with all kinds of stuff. Like a chicken breast that you cooked yourself the

01:15:13.720 night before in avocado oil. Something like that. That's, that's pasture raised. Yeah.

01:15:17.660 Okay. It's just so much harder than it should be. You know, it's like, well, the defaults

01:15:21.900 are, are the wrong choices to how do we make the defaults easy choices and the right choices?

01:15:26.300 Yeah. I don't know. I like, even in the summers, I'm sure a lot, there are a lot of parents out

01:15:30.260 there who can relate to this. The summers, the family eating goes to hell. The kids daily

01:15:37.140 eating. Cause they're all over the place. You know, our kids go to this day camp and then

01:15:40.160 they swing by the, the ice cream place that has a great menu, like a diner kind of place.

01:15:43.980 And they're all eating just terrible food all day long. I don't even know what the

01:15:48.980 alternative is, you know, like without hiring a chef to live in your house and come up with

01:15:53.560 healthy options for all three meals, you know, they'll, they're eating bagel with cream cheese

01:15:58.020 in the morning. And then they're eating like a cheese steak for, for lunch. And then, you know,

01:16:02.120 I'll get them for dinner, but it's so hard. It is. It is. And that's, that's the whole point of

01:16:06.920 what needs to change in our policies to, to change the things from the top down so that we produce

01:16:12.060 food that's healthier, that we have clear labeling on foods that people know what they're getting,

01:16:16.520 that we have access in a way that we don't have now to healthier options. And so those,

01:16:22.160 those things will take time. And I think that's what the Trump administration is trying to do.

01:16:26.200 I hope they succeed. I think there's a sort of a tension between the USDA and HHS because the USDA

01:16:31.200 basically is to support farmers and not necessarily support the health of Americans. And they essentially

01:16:36.640 are creating all the diseases inadvertently that, that health and human services and Medicare,

01:16:41.540 and Medicaid are having to take care of. Swift beware of the USDA.

01:16:44.200 Like the right hand is actually making the left hand jobs a lot harder. So what, what do you,

01:16:48.660 how do you like RFKJ's chances of succeeding in this job, given all these forces?

01:16:52.660 He's got a lot of forces right against him. I mean, there's a multi-trillion dollar industry that is

01:16:56.020 basically wanting him to fail. And that's threatened the food industry, you know, farming industry,

01:17:02.320 you know, the pharmaceutical industry. It's, it's not a small thing. And I think, you know,

01:17:07.100 if president Trump gets behind him and supports him, I think if he's able to get clear on what

01:17:11.000 his objectives are, if he's able to sort of get on the low hanging fruit and have the win,

01:17:14.460 the easy wins, I think they'll win. So for example, getting all the adders and chemicals

01:17:18.000 out of food is starting to happen. Now there's 30 plus bills around the country in different states.

01:17:23.120 Some of them, 10 of them, I think are Democrat led, some, most of the rest are Republican led.

01:17:27.940 And they're, they're, for example, to get rid of the chemicals and dyes and food, or to have snap

01:17:32.360 waivers, to get rid of soda and snap. These things are happening to get nutrition education,

01:17:35.940 like in Texas for doctors, or, you know, stop punishing kids by restricting recess and

01:17:40.860 jab, you know, like if they need it. There's things happening that are sort of the Maha movement

01:17:46.420 is sort of catalyzed this groundswell. And I, I'm sort of shocked. I mean, I, I never thought.

01:17:51.220 It's awesome. I hear Callie means drop it all the time. He's like, you're going to tell the Maha

01:17:55.240 moms out there that you won't take sugar out. And they're like, it's great. He's using it and he

01:17:59.440 should because the Maha mom thing is real. Like they're out there and they're pissed off about what's

01:18:04.940 been done. I'm a hundred, a hundred percent mom, happily and proudly because I I'm pissed off about

01:18:10.420 what the, what these industries have done to me, to my family, how hard they've made it for us all,

01:18:15.620 how expensive they've made it for us. Why? And the government's been sort of

01:18:19.300 in collusion a little bit. Yeah. That's the problem. Most people can't afford to shop at Whole Foods.

01:18:24.320 It's very expensive. Walmart is so hard to get organic fruit and vegetable. Walmart is the biggest

01:18:28.900 organic grocer in the country. It is. It is the biggest organic. There's not a Walmart near me. That's why

01:18:33.620 there are Walmarts near most of underserved populations. So, I mean, I shopped at Walmart

01:18:39.440 and, you know, during COVID I was helping different people who couldn't get food. I would go get food.

01:18:43.320 I was like, wow, I can fill up in a giant like grocery cart full of real food. That's good. For

01:18:47.980 500 bucks. Grass-fed beef and all that. Like a giant Walmart cart, not like a regular grocery cart. Yeah.

01:18:52.360 Not grass-fed necessarily, but just like real food. Okay. You know, meat, vegetables, you know. How important is the grass-fed

01:18:58.240 thing? In the hierarchy of things, I think it's less important. Okay. I mean, it's more important to have

01:19:02.700 regenerative agriculture to rebuild our soil and to sort of rebuild farms. In terms of your health,

01:19:08.220 I think the kind of trade-off between eating real food and eating processed food, I would skip the

01:19:14.000 organic and I would skip that. Okay. I mean, this is my selling heresy, but in terms of like having a

01:19:18.600 choice, if you can't afford it, I would always choose the- Their relative sins. Yeah. The real food

01:19:23.760 versus the processed food. Back to RLKJ, they definitely want to destroy him. And so one of my feelings is

01:19:29.420 for the next four years, hopefully he decides to keep the job that long. We need to be super wary

01:19:35.320 of hit pieces on him because the odds are they've been planted by one of his detractors. Just in the

01:19:40.680 news now, they're trying to blame him for this measles outbreak down in Texas in a community of

01:19:46.740 Mennonites who don't take vaccines and never have. That's right. Long before Bobby Kennedy-

01:19:51.940 Never came on the scene, right? Yeah. Nevermind became HHS secretary. It's like,

01:19:55.060 he went down there out of empathy to this little boy's funeral and they're like, you're to blame.

01:20:01.960 Yeah. But I do wonder, like that kind of story gets amplified and I don't think it's totally

01:20:07.140 organic. Oh, it's not. I mean, it's really not. I mean, it's sort of insidious. I mean,

01:20:12.680 with Dr. Oz, they did this. The New York Times published a piece on him years ago, taking him down

01:20:17.060 because this group called the American Council on Science and Health wrote a letter to Columbia to

01:20:23.300 take him off the faculty because he was a quack. And there was, you know, like sort of eight or

01:20:27.420 nine doctors on the letterhead that was from the American Council on Science and Health. When you

01:20:31.560 look at who that group is, they're funded by the pesticide industry, by the big food manufacturers,

01:20:37.160 by big pharma, by tobacco. Wow. And they basically say that pesticides, cigarettes,

01:20:42.800 and trans fats are fine. We shouldn't worry about them. I remember this. And they've come after me.

01:20:46.740 Is it because he was pushing supplements on his show, like as an advertiser? I mean,

01:20:50.200 maybe. That was their in. Maybe. But he, you know, he also was challenging things about the

01:20:54.660 food system. Yeah. Oh, no. I'm just saying that's the excuse they found to come from him. And when

01:20:58.720 you look at who that group was, like one of the guys spent years in jail for Medicare fraud,

01:21:03.420 you know? Oh, my God. And I was sort of shocked that the New York Times is an investigative journalist

01:21:08.020 outlet, I thought. And it wasn't. I mean, it took me like 10 minutes to figure out who these people

01:21:13.840 were by Googling them and what their backgrounds were and why they had this opinion and what this group

01:21:18.680 was about. And there's so many of these front groups out there that seem noble and high-minded.

01:21:24.460 The American Council on Science and Health, who would not believe what they have to say, right?

01:21:28.080 Or like in another lane, the American Academy of Pediatrics. Yeah, 100%.

01:21:32.400 Which we used to trust and now should not.

01:21:34.720 All of the, everything, whether it's American Diabetes Association, American Heart Association,

01:21:38.200 American Academy of Pediatrics, some of them are doing good things. But on the other hand,

01:21:42.000 they're also funded in large part by pharma and food industry.

01:21:44.820 Mm-hmm. Well, why are pediatricians still pushing the flu vaccine on us? And grown-up doctors too.

01:21:52.260 It's one of those things, Megan, that I do not understand. You know, in medicine and science,

01:21:57.120 the whole point is to question your assumptions. And science is based on hypotheses that challenge

01:22:04.020 given assumptions. So it's really about the questions. When you start to ask questions about

01:22:09.020 vaccines, you're all of a sudden a heretic. And you're excommunicated- Oh, YouTube's labeling our

01:22:13.500 video right now. For real information about vaccines, go to the CDC.

01:22:17.340 Yeah, you're excommunicated as a scientist, as a doctor. When I was at Cleveland Clinic,

01:22:22.300 I had written an article years before I joined about a kid who was at autism that I treated.

01:22:27.460 And in the history, I said, this is the history. And this is the kid had, you know,

01:22:31.520 born by C-section or took antibiotics or had gut issues or had this. And, you know,

01:22:35.440 the mother said, and she was actually a VP at Pfizer, said, you know, by the way, you know,

01:22:40.000 my kid had this MMR vaccine. And after that, he seemed to get regressive autism. And I'm not

01:22:44.100 saying it was a cause. I'm just saying, I wrote about it as part of the medical history. And even

01:22:48.480 at the beginning of the article, I wrote a disclaimer. I said, I'm not saying vaccines cause

01:22:51.540 autism. I'm just saying like- This is part of the story.

01:22:53.380 Part of the story. And this kind of got up through the drinks at Cleveland Clinic. And the

01:22:57.860 pediatric department said, you have to write a letter stating that you are 100% in support of

01:23:02.240 vaccines or you're basically fired. Like that's the kind of, that's the kind of thinking in

01:23:07.240 medicine. And whether you're Jay Bhattacharya who got, you know, kind of blacklisted or you're

01:23:11.740 people who start to question things, we should be asking questions. And when you look at vaccine

01:23:16.960 history, there's great benefit, but also we should be honest. There are like any other medical

01:23:22.000 treatment that has benefits and risks. With the COVID vaccine, we saw myocarditis and other issues.

01:23:26.100 I mean, young adults who got vaccinated more than once had a greater risk of myocarditis

01:23:30.320 from the vaccine than they got from COVID. That's just, that's published in major peer-reviewed

01:23:34.600 journals. This is not a heretic, not a heretic opinion.

01:23:38.060 But what's so annoying about it. So now you can say it because it's been published and so on. But

01:23:41.160 at the time when we were first seeing signs of it and you had like pediatric cardiologists coming

01:23:46.120 forward to say, hold on, I'm seeing this. You, even then when they knew something might be

01:23:51.480 developing, they completely stifled debate or outing of those concerns. That's, that's when it was

01:23:55.780 most needed and, but also most banned, you know, or like you couldn't talk about that.

01:24:03.460 Yeah. It's kind of nuts. I mean, I think it's just that we can't trust the American public to deal

01:24:07.740 with a nuanced conversation, to teach them about the benefits and the risks, to help them understand

01:24:12.040 the difference between sterile immunity and disease immunity. Sterile immunity is you get

01:24:14.940 measles vaccine, you never get measles. Disease immunity is you get a vaccine like the flu vaccine

01:24:19.560 or COVID vaccine, you reduce your risk of getting the disease or the severity of disease or

01:24:22.960 hospitalization or death. That's a very different thing. So when they say it's safe and effective,

01:24:27.860 that's a trope that doesn't make any sense. Nothing in medicine is safe and a hundred percent

01:24:31.880 effective or a hundred percent safe, whether it's, you know, getting an injection for a procedure,

01:24:36.100 you can potentially get an infection, you can get bleeding. I mean, I mean, I had back surgery and I,

01:24:40.320 I, you know, after, you know, I had a huge bleed into my spine. It was, it wasn't a doctor

01:24:45.500 didn't do it on purpose, but it was a complication that I, yeah. So there are benefits and risks to

01:24:49.700 anything in medicine, to any drug, aspirin. I mean, we used to think aspirin was God's gift

01:24:54.400 to mankind. People were taking it every day. Everybody should take aspirin to prevent heart

01:24:57.680 attacks. And then the data started emerging as doctors continue to ask questions. We should

01:25:02.300 be asking questions. They go, oh, let's look at this again. So they looked at it again and they

01:25:06.140 kind of, oh shit, you know, like it's actually causing more deaths in people who were at low risk

01:25:10.820 for heart disease from brain bleeds and GI bleeds, stomach bleeds, then from preventing heart attacks.

01:25:16.420 So let's, let's restrict the use of it to those who are at the highest risk, which is what we should

01:25:20.920 be doing in medicine, constantly learning, evolving, growing. But when it comes to vaccines,

01:25:23.960 you can't even ask the question. So, you know, I, I've been vaccinated. I have my kids vaccinated.

01:25:28.360 I mean, like I'm not anti-vaccine. I think they're an important part of our medical arsenal,

01:25:32.420 but they're not like perfect and they have problems and we should be studying this.

01:25:36.800 Yeah. Nothing is above questions in medicine or shouldn't be. And you know what? We're in a new era.

01:25:41.720 And when people say it's, it's, it's, it's debunked, it's been settled. And these are just

01:25:45.660 things that are so anti-science. It's amazing. Those words should be retired. But I mean,

01:25:50.560 you look, we're now, we've got Trump, we've got Bobby, we've got Jay Bhattacharya, we've got

01:25:54.080 Marty McCary. Like we're, we're slowly but surely turning this aircraft carrier around, but it's going

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01:29:33.680 Now let's talk about the weight loss drugs because it seems like one of the first things that Trump did

01:29:43.780 in the Maha lane was to take them off of the Medicare and Medicaid two options. And, but that

01:29:51.760 seems counterintuitive because being fat causes everything. It's true. It's, it's complicated. I

01:29:56.980 mean, you know, Medicare part D is the drug benefit for Medicare. It's $145 billion. If you treated all the

01:30:03.080 obese people in Medicare with those MPIC, it would be, I think, $267 billion just for that.

01:30:08.760 But wouldn't it then lower the cost of all the other things they need?

01:30:11.700 It might, it might. But, but the question is, is there a different way to go about this? And can

01:30:16.960 you get the same benefits and what is going on with our food system and the causes of this? So it's

01:30:21.900 easy to look for that quick fix or the quick jab that's going to solve all your problems, but it

01:30:25.200 doesn't come without risk. So when you take these drugs, when you might feel nauseous and not feeling

01:30:30.280 right, so that's probably why, how it works. It makes you not want to eat because you don't feel

01:30:33.680 good. So who wants to rock around with that? And most people will discontinue it after the first

01:30:37.840 year. I mean, it's, it's, it's a big discontinuation rate because of the side effects. Not only that,

01:30:43.240 those are short-term kind of short-lived side effects, but we see a 400% increase in bowel

01:30:47.140 obstruction, which needs surgery. We see a 900% increase in pancreatic injury. We see increases in

01:30:53.640 thyroid cancer. Let me be able to debate that whether it's just in animals or not, but it's still a

01:30:57.000 concern. And you see people losing more half their weight as muscle. Muscle is where your metabolism

01:31:04.980 is. So here's the problem. You lose, let's say 50 pounds, half of that's muscle. You get off the

01:31:10.840 drug because most people stop it. You gain back the weight. Then what? Now it's all fat. All fat. So

01:31:15.920 then you could be the same weight you were when you started. Except a lot flabbier. Metabolism will be

01:31:21.280 slower because muscle from seven times the calories is fat. So you need to eat less at the same weight just to

01:31:25.800 maintain that weight. So it's a slippery slope unless you are. And I think this is something

01:31:30.940 that we've talked about in some of the policy conversations we have had. If you're going to

01:31:35.640 give this drug, it must be delivered along with a nutrition counseling program that makes you eat

01:31:41.700 at least a gram of protein per ideal body weight. So let's say per pound of ideal body weight. So

01:31:46.780 let's say you're 120 pounds, you need 120 grams of protein and a strength training program. So you

01:31:52.240 keep your muscle. And if you don't do that, there's a huge risk on the backside. You're going to be

01:31:56.680 skinny fat. Skinny fat. It's right. I know it's a terrible situation. Nobody wants to be skinny fat. It's

01:32:02.060 like you look good in clothes, but then when you take the clothes off, it goes downhill fast. There's

01:32:05.820 another word for it called toffee, not tofu. Thin on the outside, fat on the inside. Oh yeah. Nobody

01:32:09.960 wants that. That's fine until you get to beach season. And then it's, yeah. These are an important

01:32:13.860 advance in medicine, but they have to be prescribed intelligently. They have to be done in the right

01:32:17.700 way for the right person. It's not a panacea for everything. And we have to fix our food system

01:32:21.480 and we have to fix the reason why we're fat. But if you had like a morbidly obese person come

01:32:25.640 in to see you, you wouldn't consider like saying, you want to check out a Zempic? Yeah. I think,

01:32:30.420 you know, what did we do before this? You know, there's a woman working with me who's been working

01:32:35.500 on my nonprofit for years. She's now the first lady of West Virginia. She lost over a hundred pounds,

01:32:39.880 just following some simple guidance that I gave her about what to do. She's a brilliant woman,

01:32:43.240 but she didn't ever know about nutrition. And it's another woman in Cleveland Clinic who had

01:32:47.920 heart failure, type two diabetes, hypertension. She had multiple stents put in. She had fatty

01:32:52.580 livers. Her kidneys were starting to fail. I mean, she was on her way to a kidney and a heart

01:32:55.720 transplant. And within three days, and this sounds crazy, but she was off her insulin by changing her

01:33:00.520 diet. In three months, she reversed her diabetes, her A1C, which is your average blood sugar, went from

01:33:04.980 11 to five and a half, which is normal. Her heart failure reversed. We call it the ejection fracture

01:33:09.860 was how much blood you can pump out per minute. Again, that got back to normal.

01:33:13.240 From being low. Her kidneys got better. Her fatty liver went away. She got off her medications.

01:33:17.480 She saved $20,000 in copay. I don't know what Medicare was covering for her, but that was her

01:33:21.800 copay. You save a lot of money. And it's just about teaching people the basics of what to do.

01:33:26.940 And most people don't know. Like the family I was talking about, this was the pre-Ozempic era.

01:33:30.640 A lot of people know, and they just, it's very hard.

01:33:33.500 Some people do, and some people just don't know. And I think, you know, that's what I have changed over

01:33:38.260 the years. I sort of believe, like I said earlier, that people who are overweight or who have

01:33:43.100 these conditions, they know better, but they just don't do it.

01:33:46.040 No, it's more than that.

01:33:47.320 They don't know because the whole society has sort of made it hard for them to know.

01:33:50.960 I got to ask you, this is a different category, but I got to get this in. EMF and RF.

01:33:58.140 This is like-

01:33:58.960 Should we be worried about it like Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and-

01:34:02.340 Yeah. And so-called dirty electricity coming out of your outlets.

01:34:06.060 Yeah. How big of an issue is it? I don't know. I don't think that there's a lot of good data.

01:34:10.420 I think there's some data that there may be some issues in human biology. When you think

01:34:14.120 about it, we're electromagnetic beings and you have your heartbeat, your brain waves. We can see

01:34:17.840 those electrical signals. You know, I mean, you know that if you go into certain areas,

01:34:22.540 there's interference with your phone. So the stuff actually, we know impacts our

01:34:26.740 electromagnetic system, how it's linked to disease, you know, how bad it is. I think it's

01:34:31.340 very hard to understand or study because you can't do a randomized controlled trial with this.

01:34:34.860 Yeah. You can't like take part.

01:34:35.800 Wouldn't we all be coming down with cancer if exposure to Wi-Fi caused it?

01:34:41.740 Yeah. I mean-

01:34:43.280 I mean, everybody.

01:34:44.060 We are. The thing is we are seeing increasing cancer rates. So people say, oh, heart disease,

01:34:48.220 deaths have gone down. Yes, because we have better treatments, but has the incidence gone down? No,

01:34:52.880 we've seen more people with heart disease, more people with cancer, more people with every

01:34:56.440 single chronic disease, Alzheimer's, diabetes, you name it, autoimmune disease, it's getting worse

01:35:00.820 across the board. And so it's multifactorial. It's not just one thing. And could it be a factor?

01:35:05.760 Yeah. But I think-

01:35:07.040 Do you think twice about having Wi-Fi in your house?

01:35:09.660 No, I do. But I turn it off in my bedroom. And I noticed this, I mean, this is totally anecdotal,

01:35:14.200 but when I go camping or I'm sleeping outside, like I sleep better. My whole well-being changes.

01:35:20.220 And it could be nature. It could be a lot of other things. But I always wonder if the hour,

01:35:23.780 sometimes even when the power goes out, because, you know, when the power goes out, sometimes it goes

01:35:26.960 out for three or four days. Like, wow, I feel a lot better. I sleep better. You know,

01:35:29.900 I mean, it's kind of amazing. So that's anecdotal, but I think, I think it's something we should

01:35:35.280 study. What about that? There's what you see, you see a headline every other day that young

01:35:38.140 people, like people in their twenties are getting colon cancer at really alarming rates. Is that

01:35:43.100 true? And do you know why?

01:35:44.760 Yes, a hundred percent true. I think the why is a question. My view is that it's related to the

01:35:49.420 change in our microbiome from our diet and from the increased load of maternal toxins. And that's

01:35:54.880 probably driving most of it.

01:35:56.540 What about antibiotics? You know, you were talking about the one woman with the messed up

01:35:59.700 microbiome and you mentioned you gave her antibiotics. I thought antibiotics caused a

01:36:03.220 bad microbiome.

01:36:03.720 Well, they can be good. They can be bad. So, so she had an overgrowth of bacteria called SIBO,

01:36:08.200 which is small intestinal bacterial overgrowth. And she also had SIFO, which is small intestinal

01:36:12.260 fungal overgrowth. So sometimes you need to get rid of the bad guys. Like if you have a parasite,

01:36:16.500 you need an antiparasitic medication.

01:36:18.700 If you have-

01:36:18.880 I would love to get a parasite. Every woman I know dreams of that.

01:36:23.320 Yeah. Worms for weight loss. Yeah, exactly. It's our new company, Worms for Weight Loss.

01:36:28.080 No, we used to joke, my hairstylist and I were joking during the COVID pandemic. If Dr. Fauci

01:36:32.320 would just say there's some Ozempic in those COVID vaccines, everybody would get them.

01:36:35.460 Everybody would get them.

01:36:36.060 Every single woman on earth would be like, I'll take it. I want all my boosters.

01:36:39.300 It's true. But you know, antibiotics have a role in medicine, but we, you know, we way overuse them.

01:36:44.600 I mean, there's 29 million pounds of antibiotics to use in animal feed to prevent infection from

01:36:48.860 overcrowding. There's about a couple of million that are used for humans for therapy. So that's crazy.

01:36:53.140 There's antibiotic resistance. It kills 700,000 people a year. It's kind of a big issue and

01:36:57.180 it's a big, big problem. But, you know, for certain indications, for example, like bowel

01:37:01.240 overgrowth, there's specific antibiotics that are not absorbed, that can be taken, that are

01:37:04.900 generally well tolerated, and that you have to then rebuild the gut after. So, you know, you have to-

01:37:09.920 How hard is it to rebuild the gut after an antibiotics course?

01:37:13.440 Uh, it's, it's not that hard. If you take probiotics, if you eat healthy diet, if you

01:37:18.740 feed your microbiome phytochemicals and fiber, it can come back.

01:37:22.600 Okay.

01:37:23.100 Yeah.

01:37:23.680 Um, I've been taking this like shot, not, not for antibiotics, just because I was, I don't

01:37:29.660 know, everybody says it's supposed to be good for you, of, uh, raw, it's like honey.

01:37:34.440 What is it? Apple cider vinegar.

01:37:35.720 Yeah.

01:37:36.340 And some lemon.

01:37:37.160 Yeah.

01:37:37.600 It is the most disgusting. I like you take it and you're like, Oh,

01:37:41.440 Oh, yeah. Should I, is this important? Like, wow.

01:37:44.220 I mean, it can be, it can be good to change the pH of your stomach, but I, I don't, I'm

01:37:47.960 not a big subscriber to that.

01:37:49.080 It's so painful, but I don't really like all that fermented stuff. They say that you should

01:37:53.260 eat like sauerkraut and pickled this and pickled that. I don't know. I like, I don't like this

01:37:58.640 diet. I'm not having sardines and I don't love my vinegar drink and I don't want to eat

01:38:03.620 a bunch of sauerkraut. I do like the, but yogurt's good too. Right. I mean, I, can I do that

01:38:07.440 instead of the apple cider vinegar?

01:38:08.480 If it's not industrial yogurt. Yes.

01:38:10.380 Okay. It's industrial.

01:38:11.520 What do you mean?

01:38:11.860 I mean like factory farm cows that are pumpable antibiotics, hormones, and it gets into the

01:38:15.840 milk.

01:38:16.100 I don't even know how I found that out. I didn't even consider that.

01:38:18.400 Well, you can buy organic, you know, yogurt.

01:38:20.620 I don't think mine is organic. I've got to go look at that immediately.

01:38:23.240 Yeah.

01:38:23.540 I didn't even consider it. Okay. So in sum, we need to detoxify ourselves. We need to detoxify

01:38:31.700 our environment. You mentioned mold. You mentioned lime, all the ultra processed foods,

01:38:37.580 buy organic.

01:38:38.300 Yeah. Ultra processed foods. I mean, if you could get a message out that's simple, it's

01:38:42.560 like, you know, if it's a food that you can't recognize or make in your kitchen with the

01:38:49.640 ingredients that you have in your kitchen, you probably shouldn't eat it. Don't eat it.

01:38:52.660 If you don't have butylated hydroxy toluene that you put on your vegetables or you shrink

01:38:57.280 on your steak, don't buy food with it.

01:38:59.520 Yeah.

01:39:00.080 Better safe than sorry.

01:39:00.920 It's almost like you need to get rid of your pantry.

01:39:02.440 I think we need a fridge biopsy for most people and a pantry biopsy and we need to get rid of the

01:39:06.740 stuff that's harmful. And I think that's the thing that most people can do. They can look at

01:39:10.220 their kitchen, go through everything. And I've written a lot about this in my books, but how do

01:39:14.060 you actually have a healthy pantry? How do you get rid of those things that are harmful? And if

01:39:18.360 you go through there and look at the ingredients, if it's stuff you don't recognize, get rid of it.

01:39:21.440 If you can't pronounce it, if it's in Latin, don't eat it. You know, like it has weird

01:39:25.420 ingredients like maltodextrin.

01:39:26.800 Or your kids.

01:39:27.720 Yeah. Or your kids. Yeah, exactly.

01:39:29.200 Yeah. So what you're saying is that my mom serving me wild berry high C with every meal

01:39:34.820 was not exactly the best choice.

01:39:36.900 No, probably not.

01:39:37.820 Linda!

01:39:38.580 Probably not.

01:39:39.500 This is where we went wrong.

01:39:40.940 That's right.

01:39:41.780 Dr. Mark Hyman, it's a pleasure.

01:39:43.640 Pleasure.

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