The Megyn Kelly Show - Epstein Files Debacle, and Trump Spars with Zelensky in Oval Office, with Emily Jashinsky and Red Scare Hosts

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.960 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:47.200 It's a busy end to the week today with Ukrainian President Zelensky at the White House this morning

00:00:52.680 in a meeting with President Trump that could be the first real step toward peace in Ukraine.

00:00:57.360 Plus, Andrew Tate back in America. Oh joy.

00:01:03.320 The Epstein files were a total bust and I have a lot to say about my day in Washington, D.C. yesterday

00:01:10.840 in front of all the media head honchos.

00:01:14.520 Joining me later in the studio today, the ladies of Red Scare.

00:01:17.380 But first, Emily Jaschinski, D.C. correspondent for UnHerd and host of Undercurrents.

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00:02:49.400 All right, let's start with the absolute bust of Epstein. This was such a joke. So I'm not,

00:02:56.580 everything about this was poorly handled. Like I'm a big Pam Bondi fan. I love that she's running DOJ.

00:03:03.680 One of the things she's doing right now, which I greatly appreciate, is she's dropping all the

00:03:07.760 bullshit Biden DOJ investigations into various police and fire forces across the country for not

00:03:14.620 lowering their test standards so that more women could get involved or changing the test so that

00:03:20.380 more African-Americans qualified than actually passed the test. They were getting sued by Biden's

00:03:25.780 DOJ left and right. Today, she's dropping them all. Great. She's doing a great job.

00:03:30.320 But the Epstein file thing was a disaster. They embarrassed themselves. And it seems like a

00:03:36.680 totally unnecessary thing. Like they stepped on a rake for no apparent reason. What happened yesterday

00:03:44.320 was a bunch of right-wing influencers were invited to the White House and they were given binders that

00:03:50.480 said like Epstein phase one, like the phase one release. Okay. That was interesting.

00:03:56.500 You know, it was, I'm not going to lie. This was a little awkward because it was very celebratory

00:04:02.580 and the Epstein story is about his alleged molestation and inappropriate behavior with very

00:04:09.500 young girls. So it's just one of those things you got to be careful because you don't want to look

00:04:14.540 like you're celebrating anything having to do with that. But I understand that the celebration was

00:04:19.980 around the fact that finally we might be getting the full story on Epstein. So they got those files,

00:04:25.260 those folders from Pam Bondi. They had sat in a meeting, according to them, with Pam Bondi,

00:04:29.760 who gave him the files. Like, here they are. Here's tranche one. And absolutely nothing was in

00:04:34.360 them. It came out later from those influencers, among others, who I think were also disappointed.

00:04:40.820 Nothing else, absolutely everything in there was already known. Not a single new thing was printed or

00:04:46.060 offered. And this whole thing had been some sort of a rope-a-dope. I don't think it was designed

00:04:51.260 to make any of the right-wing influencers look dumb, but they were not well-served by the DOJ

00:04:57.680 yesterday. The DOJ should have been more careful before they did that to some of the most ardent

00:05:02.520 allies to the Trump administration. It was kind of bullshit. I was pissed on their behalf.

00:05:08.420 And then by the end of the day, what you had was Pam Bondi firing off a nasty missive to Kash

00:05:13.360 Patel saying, where are my files? I demanded from the FBI that they all be given to me. They weren't.

00:05:19.300 I've been told by a whistleblower the FBI withheld certain critical Epstein documents. When I spoke

00:05:25.140 to you earlier, you were as surprised by this as I was. So then why did they go through the exercise of

00:05:30.480 doing this with the influencers? Because it looks like the timing on that was she knew before she

00:05:38.160 gave them those binders that she had been strong-armed or stiff-armed by the FBI. And so the whole thing

00:05:45.640 wound up being somewhat embarrassing unnecessarily for, I think, the well-meaning right-wing influencers

00:05:51.920 that showed up there willing to report on whatever news was given to them. P.S. It was nothing.

00:05:57.300 On Pam, on Kash Patel. And for what? Why? I don't, why did this have to happen?

00:06:05.320 I think you just hit on the crux of the problem for them, which is they were, on the one hand,

00:06:10.480 they're trying to have it both ways. On the one hand, they were saying this was a big document dump,

00:06:14.360 the first step towards total transparency. They're about to purge the deep state and expose names.

00:06:20.440 And that's basically what Pam Bondi said on Jesse Waters' show the other night, the night before all

00:06:25.220 of this happened. And then they want to have it the other way too, which is that, well, we always knew

00:06:30.440 this was going to be underwhelming because we were being thwarted by, as they're saying, SDNY,

00:06:35.720 the Southern District of New York. So it doesn't make sense that they actually went public and said,

00:06:40.420 this is a huge step towards transparency. And then at the same time also said, actually,

00:06:45.860 it's nothing because we're being thwarted by the deep state. Those two things can't be true at the

00:06:50.440 same time. And it seems like they were in a rush to get documents out because they're under a lot of

00:06:56.080 pressure. This was a huge Trump pledge to actually release all kinds of information, whether it's JFK

00:07:01.560 files, MLK files, Epstein files. This is going to be a really big problem for Pam Bondi. And Megan,

00:07:07.960 I don't know if you've sensed this. I've sensed the White House is really upset with the Department

00:07:12.140 of Justice over this, just talking to people in the last 24 hours. They feel this was a huge error

00:07:18.120 because the optics were so bad, because it turned so many people in MAGA world against each other so

00:07:24.420 early in the administration. It may seem like a silly sideshow thing, but I actually think it was

00:07:29.260 a pretty significant blunder that's going to have ripple effects in the days and weeks to come.

00:07:33.760 I felt bad for those influencers. I mean, many of whom I know and think a lot of who got, I'm sure,

00:07:40.840 very excited by the call to go meet with the attorney general of the United States. This is not like

00:07:45.780 somebody punked me who I'd never heard of before, who claimed he had Epstein documents. It's the

00:07:51.040 sitting attorney general. And they went, they're at the White House. Like, this is a big deal. I think

00:07:57.900 they went there totally in good faith and earnestly and trusted her and got humiliated by

00:08:05.540 this document dump that was a nothing. They, why would you take people who absolutely love you and

00:08:11.980 have been very good to you and embarrass them like this? I don't get it. I'm sure it wasn't intentional.

00:08:17.280 I think it was just incompetence, I guess. I don't, I'm not sure exactly how this went down,

00:08:21.520 but if I were any one of those people, I would be demanding an actual explanation of what was done

00:08:28.160 to me and the real information be given to me ASAP, right? Like now I've stuck my neck out for you.

00:08:34.620 You've humiliated me. I better be getting whatever the FBI and or SDNY, the Southern District of New

00:08:40.960 York has some of the documents, um, since they were the ones going after Epstein, I better be the

00:08:46.200 first one to receive this stuff, right? Like instead yesterday, we just seem to have the nasty

00:08:50.940 letter from Pam Bondi to cash Patel, like, gee, everyone's been duped. But again, the timeline

00:08:59.140 appears to be, she knew that before she gave out these documents. Then on top of it, they gave all

00:09:04.380 the right wing influencers talking points that, um, sort of explain what happened and like how great

00:09:11.600 this whole sequence of events was. And I guess they didn't tell them this, this is just guidance

00:09:18.040 for you. Um, and a couple of them tweeted out the exact same message afterward that reads as follows

00:09:25.340 today. I met with president Trump. Yeah. So it's not just Bondi it's Trump, president Trump, vice

00:09:30.560 president, JD Vance, AG Pam Bondi and FBI director cash Patel in the oval. They handed me a binder copy of

00:09:36.440 the Epstein files, the most transparent administration in American history. The best part, this is just

00:09:41.400 the start. A.G. Bondi confirmed there are thousands more Epstein file documents being secretly held in

00:09:46.580 the SDNY and they will be delivered to the DOJ in DC by February 28th, which is today. People will be

00:09:52.440 going to jail for what they've done. So she gave them this guidance to like tweet out, oh, this is

00:09:58.780 just the first tranche, but more is coming, which was an attempt, a nod at her knowledge that she didn't

00:10:04.200 have anything in there that was new, but that wasn't transparent, right? That wasn't actually made

00:10:09.680 clear. And then these guys are tweeting out the exact same tweet, right? Like they just,

00:10:18.360 and the way that's avoided is you say, this is a guide. This is guidance. This is like a suggested

00:10:23.440 tweet. I obviously I wouldn't send out this exact thing. We're, we're giving this to everybody.

00:10:27.460 These are kind of the points that'd be great if you could hit. Now, if you're a journalist,

00:10:31.420 you don't take that at all. You say, thank you for your tweet. Goodbye. But these aren't,

00:10:35.580 I don't think they would call themselves exactly journalists in the traditional sense,

00:10:39.460 which is one of the things we love about them. Um, but I just feel like the, if you wanted to

00:10:43.800 embarrass these, you know, 10 people, this is exactly how you would have run this whole thing.

00:10:49.140 You couldn't have scripted it better. No, I mean, it was incredibly humiliating. It makes them end up

00:10:54.160 looking like Pravda, like they're taking talking points and being the useful idiots for the

00:10:59.000 administration's complete blunder, um, on, you know, promising over promising and wildly under

00:11:05.180 delivering. So I actually think this is going to be a problem. I'm, I'm with you, Megan. Like I have

00:11:09.840 pretty high hopes for Pam Bondi and definitely for Kash Patel as well. But this to me, uh, feels like

00:11:15.720 it'll be a big problem going forward for Pam Bondi because people like, in fact, some of these

00:11:20.080 influencers, some of their staunchest allies on social media are not going to give up on looking for

00:11:26.580 these files and trying to get these files. Pam Bondi was the attorney general in the state of

00:11:30.560 Florida, uh, an attorney general in the state of Florida, uh, over the time period in which she was

00:11:34.940 there would know a lot of stuff about, uh, what was happening with the Jeffrey Epstein case,

00:11:38.700 presumably. Um, and so there's just going to be a lot of questions. Remember Alex Acosta,

00:11:42.940 Trump's first labor secretary, uh, was really involved in the sweetheart deal. Like this is,

00:11:48.320 this is the Florida connections aren't great here. Um, so I think this is going to follow Pam

00:11:53.460 Bondi unfortunately. I mean, everybody's still interested in Epstein. I think I heard some

00:11:58.260 people being like, who cares? I'm like, no, I care. I actually really would like to see what's

00:12:01.800 in the files. If, if look, I'm not expecting it to be like appointment Bill Clinton to see 13 year

00:12:08.780 old on Epstein Island, you know, June, 2006. I that's not going to be in there. That's, that's just a

00:12:14.900 joke. Um, but there could be a client list right now. It's just his contact list, which we've already

00:12:21.680 seen. And by the way, being a in Jeffrey Epstein's contact book does not mean anything. It really

00:12:26.820 doesn't mean anything. Like I have tons of people in my phone's contacts with whom I actually have

00:12:30.920 almost nothing to do, whatever. They, they like contact you one time. You exchange info. It doesn't

00:12:35.860 mean anything. What we need is more like who actually was a frequent, uh, repeat visitor on

00:12:42.460 Epstein Island, right? That would be good to know. We have some names. Um, but what's being

00:12:48.980 promises like there's more and it's juicy. And that's why it's been withheld by these people

00:12:54.440 and maybe something about his death. Like people have genuine natural questions about that. Do you

00:13:00.380 think we'll get any answers? I think it's gonna be really difficult for them to not provide answers.

00:13:06.860 And the question for me is, do the answers they provide continue to sort of look like what yesterday

00:13:12.100 looked like? And I mean that when it comes to JFK, MLK, and all of that, because Trump was on Joe

00:13:17.120 Rogan, um, as he was courting young men, uh, a very important, you know, demographic for him in

00:13:22.960 this last election, talking about how this stuff was all going to come out. And so is it just going

00:13:27.920 to be an underwhelming drip, drip, drip as a lot of cynics always predicted, or is there going to be

00:13:33.720 substantial information release? I have a really hard time seeing them politically getting away with

00:13:39.040 not infuriating all of the, like, again, some of the same people that were at the white house

00:13:43.220 yesterday. If, um, all this time goes by and they never produce anything, I think the hope

00:13:48.960 is that what they don't keep trying to do is manipulating the public by tossing scraps and

00:13:53.540 acting like it's a really big deal. Um, there are potential loopholes in the JFK EO. I actually

00:13:59.400 sent a comment request to the CIA a couple of weeks ago about whether they're planning to use some of

00:14:03.340 those loopholes and they gave me a non-response, but this stuff is going to build. We're a month into

00:14:07.960 office. So I don't really think they have a choice. One thing we know quickly that the FBI has

00:14:13.440 is discs that were confiscated from Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse that have a blank name plus

00:14:20.180 a blank name on these discs. They said that these are things that they took from the Epstein townhouse

00:14:26.480 in New York. So there really are specific, tangible records. We know they have. And as those questions

00:14:33.540 keep building and building, good luck if you're going to continue ignoring that after promising

00:14:37.920 so much. I mean, it's, it's, um, I think it was Elon who tweeted out today, like things don't change

00:14:45.800 on a dime. And I think he was suggesting Pam Bondi's there, Kash Patel's there, but the whole staff hasn't

00:14:52.420 changed at DOJ or FBI and certainly not at SDNY. And so I think he was telegraphing, like, give him a

00:14:59.620 minute to try to get the troops in line. I agree with all of that. Yes. But then don't overpromise.

00:15:05.440 Don't make a big show of things. Don't embarrass your most loyal supporters by pretending you're

00:15:10.040 giving them some big scoop only to have the internet say there's absolutely nothing here

00:15:14.260 at all. That's new. Like all of this is just, like I say, it's like the procedure around it

00:15:19.900 was so poorly done. And then on top of everything we just discussed, for some reason, the house

00:15:25.100 judiciary committee, which I gather is run by Jim Jordan tweeted out like a joke about it.

00:15:32.980 Um, people expected, like the tease was suggested that they look, it reads a breaking it's at

00:15:40.780 judiciary DOP Epstein files released. And you click on this link and it shows you the, well,

00:15:48.340 here's what it shows you. It's Rick Astley is referred to as being Rick rolled, which is like

00:16:05.780 a punk. So they wound up having to delete that tweet because so many Republicans and conservatives

00:16:13.620 did not find it funny and were just generally pissed off about how the afternoon went yesterday.

00:16:19.140 Well, yeah, and it's totally missing the moment. It's completely tone deaf. And what they were

00:16:23.160 trying to do, I suspect from that was throw SDNY. They were trying to troll SDNY and say, you know,

00:16:29.380 this is what happens when you try to get records from the deep state. Um, you know, you're just

00:16:33.800 going to keep getting Rick rolled. So I think it was intended, uh, to have that target, but it was

00:16:38.960 indicative of how indelicately the situation was handled for a very serious matter to many,

00:16:45.700 many people in the whole country, but especially in the Trump base. Uh, it was just yesterday was a

00:16:50.760 real disaster for them and they kind of knew it. You sensed that they knew it as it was happening,

00:16:55.400 that it was a disaster and we're trying to cover their asses.

00:16:58.440 Here's the other thing that bothered me about it. There were people there like, uh, Chaya from

00:17:02.360 Libs of Tik TOK. Um, even Jack Posobiec who, with whom I have a very checkered past, like we haven't

00:17:08.980 gotten along well, but I have to say he he's, I I've grown to really like him and his Twitter feed

00:17:15.320 is fire. And he actually has had a lot of scoops. Um, he was one of them, Chad Pranther. Uh, he's a

00:17:22.580 good guy down in Texas, a podcaster. So dragging these people to the white house and using them in this

00:17:31.540 way, undermine their credibility to which I object like Libs of Tik TOK has been, she's been a heroine,

00:17:40.200 a heroine in this whole DEI battle in the whole gender madness battle. Like truly this to me almost

00:17:47.040 seems like a Biden psyop to try to undermine the growing credibility of independent people who have

00:17:54.000 been breaking big news and important voices in our country. And it was like, how can we take the legs

00:18:01.320 out from under them? Right. So it's like, look, they'll recover. Nobody's blaming them. I think,

00:18:06.420 you know, people understand this was done to them, not exactly by them. Um, but now you've also put

00:18:11.760 them in a position where they feel like they have to defend the white house because they were given

00:18:15.280 this quote scoop and met with the president. You know, it's like all very fraught and some,

00:18:20.860 I don't know. I'm not sure if somebody's head needs to roll, but like something should be done.

00:18:25.940 If I, if I were Pam Bondi, I'd definitely be giving these people the exclusive of the real information

00:18:29.860 so that you can rehabilitate the people you for some reason hurt.

00:18:34.140 Yeah. And part of what this looks like to me is they, they actually were trying to bring

00:18:37.620 influencers in and, you know, give scoops to people who have cared about the issue and have

00:18:42.620 been supportive of the administration. And when they realized, uh, that this was going to be like,

00:18:48.720 not what they promised, uh, they still tried to go ahead with it. And they laid the spin on extra

00:18:54.400 thick to make up for under delivering, which is a horrible, horrible idea. You can see how when

00:19:01.220 things are happening really quickly, like it's Veep behind closed doors in DC, you would do

00:19:05.800 something like this, but it's, it's really, really stupid. I think probably someone's head should roll

00:19:10.700 because they took a lot of built up credibility with these, uh, online influencers who have been

00:19:16.160 supportive of them have stuck their necks out for them. Uh, and this is a reputation blow. I mean,

00:19:21.160 I agree. I think they'll recover, but for some people they'll probably never have the same level

00:19:26.220 of reputation in a, in one way though, I think this could be a good thing, which is my advice to

00:19:30.920 people who start covering Trump world is that they are really friendly if you're supportive,

00:19:34.860 but if you want them to take you seriously, uh, you, you have to like, kind of be serious and,

00:19:41.600 and be, you know, show that you're willing to be extremely skeptical. The people that they take

00:19:45.960 most seriously are the ones that, um, are willing to like, you play hardball too. And so I think in a

00:19:51.760 sense for the influencers, this could be a good lesson that like you, you can be supportive. Like

00:19:57.480 if you support Donald Trump, great, like go support Donald Trump. But, um, you know, there are some

00:20:01.600 people in his orbit that aren't always going to have your best interests in mind. So be skeptical and

00:20:06.720 be rigorous when you go into situations like these. Well, it is complicated, right? Because there was a

00:20:10.840 report yesterday that Trump had an event, um, at the white house on, um, women in sports boys,

00:20:16.880 you know, playing in girl sports and women in sports and invited a group of outspoken women on

00:20:21.920 this issue to the white house. And online, there were, there were some complaints that some of the

00:20:27.220 women who had been invited to the first signing of the EO, like Riley Gaines and some of the others

00:20:31.920 who've been in commercials with her and so on were not invited back. Oh, this is because I think

00:20:36.620 because yesterday or the day before is about NCAA, the NCAA made a deal of like going along

00:20:43.200 with Trump CEO, like, okay, we're not going to allow boys and women's sports. And it turned out

00:20:47.800 to be full of loopholes. I mean, all of my women who I follow on this issue online have been jumping

00:20:54.720 up and down, very pissed off at the NCAA for trying to make it look like they're on board with the Trump

00:21:00.600 EO, but actually creating a policy through which any truck could be driven. And so they, the NCAA

00:21:07.060 hasn't satisfied team reality when it comes to sex and gender at all. And they've been outspoken about

00:21:14.400 it. And that includes Riley and some pointing out that she was not invited back the white house

00:21:19.680 saying, well, we just wanted to make room for other athletes, but look, let's face it. You know,

00:21:24.820 who among us hasn't been burned by criticizing? It could be the Trump white house could be the

00:21:30.340 Biden, whatever someone in power with whom you were getting along. And then you do something

00:21:35.160 that pisses them off and you get put in the penalty box. I will say my own experience with

00:21:39.400 Trump. And I think I'm a great person to speak to this is you may go into the penalty box for a time,

00:21:45.020 but you will come out of the penalty box. Trump can get mad at you. I'm sure his staff can get mad

00:21:50.000 at you, but they're not real grudge holders. So my advice to all these people is just hold on to

00:21:54.580 your integrity, you know, report it as, as it comes, whatever, whether it makes them look bad or good

00:21:59.640 and both your audience and the man you so admire will get past it.

00:22:06.660 Yeah. And, and, you know, be someone that they respect, not someone, I'm not saying they should

00:22:12.300 treat people flippantly. They shouldn't, especially people who have had their backs, but make them

00:22:16.160 respect you. Um, and, and the, this is a good lesson, I think for people in Trump in this

00:22:20.860 administration, like respect the people who have been loyal to you. Otherwise you end up looking like

00:22:26.720 jackasses. Um, and that's absolutely what happened yesterday. So, I mean, it seems like this was just

00:22:32.540 a, like moving catastrophe because they were rushing to get stuff out. They knew they were

00:22:37.260 under pressure. Um, and there are a million different ways this probably could have been

00:22:40.480 avoided and could have done better. But once the, you know, the wheels get turning in DC, things can

00:22:44.480 get messy really quickly. So maybe it's a lesson, but I also just think this created a problem that's

00:22:49.600 going to follow them. Like this is going to be a hole that they have to dig out of. It makes it the

00:22:54.580 demand on them, uh, to produce real records, like to really unseal things, to really declassify things,

00:23:00.580 to really release things. I think this actually just ratcheted up the pressure on them. They're

00:23:04.860 not gonna be able to get away as easily with not producing documents. I agree. So we've botched

00:23:10.520 round one of the big Epstein file release. Um, and at the same time in the news yesterday

00:23:16.620 was the return of the despicable Tate brothers to the United States. Now I don't know much about

00:23:23.060 the brother Tristan, but I've seen enough about Andrew Tate to realize he's a disgusting pig

00:23:28.580 misogynist and that's fine. You can be a disgusting pig misogynist and live in the United States of

00:23:34.040 America. It's really not much of my business. Um, I, his return to the United States. Okay. I don't

00:23:40.700 really care. I mean, he's an American citizen. He's got dual citizenship, U S and UK. So

00:23:46.040 I guess he's allowed to come back, uh, because supposedly these charges against him for sex

00:23:50.500 trafficking, et cetera, in Romania, some have been dropped due to some prosecutorial negligence in

00:23:56.980 the case and others are remaining. They're supposed to go back to Romania in the next year or so to go

00:24:02.880 answer more. They're also facing potential charges in the UK. Same type of thing. What I care about,

00:24:09.140 cause I don't know the legalities and I haven't looked into them, so I'm not going to, you know,

00:24:12.540 tie him up there. What I know is he's a disgusting, vile creature with whom I want nothing to do.

00:24:18.500 And the more influence he has over the young men of America, the more my stomach turns.

00:24:23.140 And it's because, um, Andrew Tate is not just an alleged criminal, put that to the side.

00:24:28.180 He's just a very bad man. And I'll give you an example in this budded thought that we've pulled,

00:24:32.480 uh, which will give you a feel for why I loathe him.

00:24:36.480 They didn't teach you in self-defense. Here's a little move. When I grab you by your neck and you

00:24:40.920 start annoying me, trying to resist. And I just, and then I grab you by your neck again. Then what

00:24:46.100 the fuck are you going to do when your face is collapsed and your fucking cheekbone's broken?

00:24:49.600 You ain't going to do shit, but cry. I guarantee I changed the way you look at sex forever. You're

00:24:54.000 going to be fucking crying. I won't cry. I bet you cry, bitch. I bet you fucking cry. You're saying

00:24:59.540 I wouldn't cry. You're challenging me to a fight. You're saying I can't hurt you. You're on your

00:25:05.480 fucking mind. I don't even have to fuck you. Forget the sex part. That's a distraction.

00:25:10.920 My dick can stay in my pants. I'll just start beating the shit out of you. How about that?

00:25:13.920 We walk in the bedroom. I start kicking your ass. No sex. No sex involved. But you cry then.

00:25:20.440 Perfected this in pimp school. When I got my PhD, we had to practice. If a girl comes at you,

00:25:25.260 ah, ah, you're cheating. You're cheating. It's bang out the machete, boom in her face,

00:25:30.920 and then grip her up by the neck. Shut up, bitch. Her panties get wet. Machete's on the floor.

00:25:35.840 Her panties are all wet. You go, fuck her. That's how it goes. Slap, slap, grab, choke,

00:25:42.140 shut up, bitch. Sex. These are the basic moves of pimp.

00:25:45.360 Okay. Credit to Milk Bar TV for putting together that montage. We have ones we could go through that

00:25:53.580 would take us all day with young women in tears about what they claim he did to them,

00:25:58.120 about alleged beatings. I mean, videotapes that purport to show that. We haven't been independently

00:26:05.900 able to verify this stuff, so I'm not going to put it on the air. I'm just saying there's a ton.

00:26:10.200 You could swim in an ocean of that stuff around the sky all day long, and for some reason,

00:26:16.500 his status has somewhat divided conservatives. There's a faction of the right that is celebrating

00:26:24.500 him, and I guess his brother too, their return to the United States. There was even a report that

00:26:30.940 Rick Grinnell, who has been getting hostages out of places like Venezuela, was instrumental in

00:26:38.320 orchestrating their return. He's denied it, but it's been admitted that he at least had a

00:26:45.160 conversation, I think, with the Romanian foreign minister about the Tates. Now he's claiming he

00:26:49.860 didn't insist that they be allowed home, but suddenly they got released to come back home.

00:26:55.760 So I don't know what the truth is there either, but I'll tell you what I do know, and that is that

00:26:59.620 there is a group called the Tampa Bay Young Republicans, which is a young Republican group

00:27:05.700 down in Tampa Bay that has decided to invite this guy and his brother to come speak to them.

00:27:14.700 This is what they tweeted out. TBYR formally welcomes these two guys to Florida. As free

00:27:19.480 speech absolutists, the Tates haven't been formally convicted of any crimes and are welcome to speak

00:27:24.560 to our group. We're old enough to remember when a convicted felon won the presidency. Like every claim

00:27:31.220 against any Republican is bullshit, Emily. And like all we really need to care about is whether

00:27:36.920 you're facing criminal charges as opposed to whether you're a piece of human excrement.

00:27:43.540 Which, by the way, actually makes it does no favors to Donald Trump to lump him in to let the law fair

00:27:50.300 against Donald Trump in with like extremely serious charges. And I also am not like I haven't gone deep

00:27:56.540 into the weeds on whether or not there's some legitimate law fair weaponization happening

00:28:01.040 against the Tate brothers. And they denied all the charges. I should remind people, but keep going.

00:28:06.260 Right. Yeah. And, you know, that's what the Tampa Bay Young Republicans statement. I actually thought

00:28:12.300 that was really interesting, too, because they are directly drawing this line Trump to Tate, which is,

00:28:18.540 I think, a pretty bad sign for the right. And when I talk to some young men, especially they'll I mean,

00:28:24.740 you could roll that montage for them and they would be like, yeah, we know we're not saying he's a good

00:28:28.440 person. We're saying he's right about masculinity and femininity. And so the argument becomes like,

00:28:34.340 don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Like we know this guy is awful, but he's doing some some

00:28:39.200 good things for young men. He's speaking to us and he's entertaining us and appealing to us for all

00:28:45.740 these reasons, because he's saying something about masculinity that the mainstream doesn't want to

00:28:51.660 hear. Thus, the charges against him are because people in the mainstream are just threatened and

00:28:59.200 they they don't believe in the differences between men and women, et cetera, which is true, by the way.

00:29:05.000 But opposing Andrew Tate is not something that you do just because you are someone who's gatekeeping

00:29:11.600 and are in the mainstream, which means that it ends up pushing people to affiliate with him.

00:29:17.080 And so as as much as I despise gatekeeping on the right and support free speech as the Tampa Bay

00:29:24.160 young Republicans do, there's such a difference between like appreciating the boundaries and

00:29:30.980 understanding that free speech is real and important and like actually then affiliating yourself with this

00:29:38.340 dude. So it's kind of unfortunate that we're just in this situation. And for young people,

00:29:43.240 they're lost. And it's no wonder that they end up going to gravitating towards someone like Andrew

00:29:49.580 Tate, who, by the way, he is so emotional. You think he was a woman, Megan. I mean, the is the least

00:29:56.000 masculine clips that I just saw. He's like running a multi-level marketing scheme, like he's selling

00:30:01.560 leggings on Facebook Marketplace and whining about his significant others.

00:30:08.180 And let's face it, I mean, only a sad little man would be talking about how he's going to beat the

00:30:12.700 hell out of a woman. And I punch her in the face. I punch her. All right. Tough guy. Okay. Right. And

00:30:17.920 no real man would actually behave that way. Nevermind brag about it. That's the thing. So it's like

00:30:22.560 I look at the men I know in the conservative movement and they're absolutely lovely. Most of them tend to be

00:30:28.980 married. They have long-term marriages. They have families that they love and support. And there's

00:30:35.100 there's absolutely nothing even questionable about their romantic choices or their love

00:30:39.720 life. It's not to say nobody's ever made a mistake. I'm just saying that this is not representative at

00:30:43.720 all of the new right. And when we talk about what's been done to men and boys on the right,

00:30:50.000 this is not the antidote. Like this actually is toxic masculinity, people. This is what the real

00:30:58.300 version of it. And in our push to say, stop using that absurd term over anybody who just stands up for

00:31:05.760 himself and man, manliness, masculinity, stop using that term. We're right. But then we too need to be

00:31:12.980 able to look at the Andrew Tates of the world and say, that's what you're looking for right there. And we

00:31:17.660 condemn it too. Yeah, it's so easy. And people like Josh Hawley and Ben Shapiro and you, Megan, have come

00:31:24.420 out and been really clear on this. Like you can be all for free speech and you can be against the

00:31:29.560 left's ridiculous standards about sex and gender. And so say this guy is a piece of garbage. He doesn't

00:31:34.100 need to be listened to. You don't have to pay attention to him. I think the problem is that there

00:31:38.560 are so many young men that have been poorly served by elites and by media that now they're way more

00:31:45.560 susceptible to people like Andrew Tate who come in and offer something that feels sort of

00:31:50.620 intoxicating and it feels like it's appealing to your masculinity. And it's like the problem,

00:31:56.960 it's really, really dangerous then for anybody in, I think, Trump world, the new right to play

00:32:02.540 footsie at all with Tate because it validates that there's something going on there. And with him,

00:32:08.560 there really isn't. I'm sorry that he has like a six pack. I don't think that makes him interesting

00:32:13.800 or compelling as an example of masculinity. At all. I mean, this guy's so vile. I really hope

00:32:20.840 he doesn't get platformed by any group, nevermind a Republican group. Talk about bad for the brand.

00:32:27.500 There is a world of difference between Donald Trump and Andrew Tate. Andrew Tate is what the left

00:32:36.100 thinks Donald Trump is. Okay. Try not to lean in young Republicans. Um, I really hope they reverse

00:32:44.460 their decision. There's been no formal invitation. There's been no acceptance from what I've seen,

00:32:49.420 but they're just proudly waving it around out there. Uh, like they, they think this is a virtuous

00:32:54.180 course. Um, okay. Shifting gears yesterday, I went down to Washington DC after I, I taped the show

00:33:01.600 yesterday early in the morning, which is why it's a little shorter than normal because I had to catch a

00:33:04.700 flight. So I go down because Ben Smith, formerly of the New York times, formerly of Buzzfeed now runs

00:33:10.520 and founded semaphore, which is trying to be a less partisan news outlet. Like they do more than

00:33:15.440 just politics. And he asked me if I would go down and speak at his like kind of conference. And I said,

00:33:21.840 yes, I know him a little bit from the summers. He and I go to the same place on the Jersey shore at

00:33:25.300 times. And, uh, so I said, yes. And well, I like Ben, I have to say my own experience was Ben doesn't

00:33:33.800 understand what we're doing at all. Not here at the Megan Kelly show, not with what you do Emily

00:33:39.020 online. He's still stuck very much still in legacy media. And I would submit to the audience that

00:33:44.480 his questions to me showed that it also showed a lack of familiar familiarity with what we do here

00:33:49.860 on this particular show and what I sound like in anchoring this show. So I put together some of the

00:33:56.540 questions just so you could see what I'm talking about and you'll get, you'll get a feel for his

00:34:01.980 questions here in Sot5. Was appear on stage with president Trump on November 4th, my birthday

00:34:06.860 in Pittsburgh and say, president Trump gets it. The reasons you're voting and list the reasons

00:34:11.960 you're voting for him. A lot to do with masculinity, which I want to ask you about later. Um, and I

00:34:16.540 wonder how you think about that in terms of, does it compromise you as a journalist? Do you benefit

00:34:21.540 from this environment in which people are losing trust in, in everyone else and turning to you?

00:34:26.060 I think that you probably, I think your audience probably, I would guess mostly voted for Trump,

00:34:29.260 but I'm sure I know lots of people who watch you and didn't. Do you worry that they can't trust you

00:34:33.280 that as you cover him going forward, that they'll kind of think you're in the tank?

00:34:36.300 But ultimately you depend for information on the people that you're criticizing, don't you? Do you

00:34:40.460 ever feel like it'd be better if you had a producer occasionally, like in the old days being like

00:34:43.660 Megan, maybe that's too much. I was talking to another broadcaster the other night and she said,

00:34:47.260 you know, one thing Megan does that is most of us don't do is go after other people in media

00:34:52.100 really personally. Like there's sort of a gentleman's agreement in a lot of media to not attack each

00:34:56.560 other personally. You had a very heated riff on, I'm forgetting her name, but the mother of Elon

00:35:00.740 Musk's latest child. The bulk of YouTube is always going to be, here is like an incredible monologue

00:35:05.980 that went viral. Do you feel like you've been shaped by the medium that you've been pushed into

00:35:10.140 these sort of like more heated monologues, these kind of, you know, these maybe more confrontation,

00:35:17.040 I don't know that there's something about that kind of monologue that's about trying to go viral.

00:35:20.280 Wait, what I said about Elon's partner and the baby would have been nothing, but she decided to

00:35:27.280 go public and then to play the victim. And my point was, you went after her. Okay. So perhaps you've

00:35:33.740 gotten a flavor of what Ben Smith thinks of the Megan Kelly show. Um, it does not appear that he is a

00:35:40.000 daily watcher. It feels that he's, it appears he's been consuming his information about us from

00:35:44.020 left-wing blogs, which is, I guess, not a surprise. Um, but I personally felt that that was a really

00:35:50.000 gross, uh, grossly unfair characterization in those questions. And that's, those are the questions he

00:35:55.960 asked. I think there was like, there were two others that weren't about, you know, my particular

00:35:59.120 show, um, that I just thought it was very slanted against what we do here. And he obviously, I think

00:36:05.820 has an upturned nose when it comes to digital media in general. And I'll give you one other, just to kick

00:36:11.040 it off, Emily. And that is, you heard him say there that you spoke for president Trump the night

00:36:16.280 before the election, and you were very focused on masculinity. Like that's why you were voting for

00:36:21.220 Donald Trump masculinity, which is also totally false. And not what I said at that rally, what I

00:36:27.400 said was he's under fire right now for having said he will protect women. And I believe he will protect

00:36:33.980 women. And I welcome that both on behalf of myself, my daughter and other people's daughters,

00:36:39.680 because I think he'll close the border and we won't have more Lake and Riley's. And I think

00:36:45.000 he'll close women's sports to men and boys. And we moat, we won't have more Peyton McNabs,

00:36:50.860 the girl who got hurt in North Carolina, thanks to the spiked volleyball in her face.

00:36:55.620 That's what I said. And I also spoke of the forgotten boys in this country, uh, and what's

00:37:00.620 been done to them as we've demonized boys over the past 10 years, not, it wasn't about

00:37:05.600 fucking masculinity, but that's what a leftist hears when you say that kind of stuff about

00:37:10.760 president Trump. Anyway, your thoughts on it. Well, I mean, it, it would be if, if he had been

00:37:16.120 peppering those questions to you as like a devil's advocate, uh, that may have been different,

00:37:20.500 but that's, I think you're right to say that's how he was actually characterizing the show.

00:37:24.120 And it sounds to me like he's not familiar with like what you do regularly on the program at all.

00:37:29.660 I agree because if you had been listening to or watching the show leading up to the election,

00:37:34.720 you would have had all of the context of how seriously you took those issues, how deeply

00:37:39.680 you covered those issues and how much they mattered to you, whether it was sports, immigration,

00:37:44.260 whatever, and all of that would have made way more sense. But if you're only getting your

00:37:48.400 information sort of dripped out through, you know, the coverage, uh, from liberal bloggers and

00:37:53.700 people on Twitter, then yeah, that sort of sounds exactly like my impression of, uh, the questions.

00:37:59.860 And by the way, another thing it misunderstands, I mean, I think even to ask the question about

00:38:04.200 whether you wish you had a producer, I thought the implication was that, you know, maybe you're,

00:38:09.280 you know, you're, you're going off the rails too much or whatever, but by the way, the reason people

00:38:14.040 like this medium is because of they, they get both the like level of the quality and analysis and

00:38:20.820 sophistication and political commentary, but they trust it more because they see you with no filter.

00:38:26.040 Uh, and that's the whole point. Yeah, exactly. Right. I, it's so funny to me that, you know,

00:38:32.120 here's this man formerly of the times formerly Buzzfeed looking at me, you know, the lady anchor,

00:38:37.900 like, wouldn't it be better for you if somebody were able to control you? So you didn't, you didn't

00:38:42.420 get, you know, go off the rails so much. Like, and I, of course I was like, no, I mean, just the

00:38:47.940 implication of it. Like I'm not responsible for what I say. And I, I wish someone could come in

00:38:52.720 to this show and put the bridle on poor Steve Krakauer just isn't able to do it. It's so

00:38:58.900 ridiculous. It's ridiculous. That's not how it's ever worked, frankly, between me and my producers,

00:39:04.280 though at Fox, I understood there were guardrails in terms of how to behave on cable news. So here he,

00:39:10.640 he pivots from that Trump speech I gave the night before the election into this. This is where he takes

00:39:16.000 it sought to. I mean, I think that you probably, I think your audience probably, I would, I would

00:39:19.640 guess mostly voted for Trump, but I know lots of people who watch you and didn't. Do you worry

00:39:23.640 that they can't trust you that as you cover him going forward, that they'll kind of think you're

00:39:27.040 in the tank? No, not at all. I mean, our numbers are huge. You know, I know you just had CNN on

00:39:32.340 in, in January, uh, last month on their YouTube feed, they got 155 million views and we were 147

00:39:43.140 million. Just me. Is your cost structure slightly lower? Is that what you're? Exactly. Well,

00:39:48.020 I'm just saying that's one show, the Megyn Kelly show, just me and my six producers versus every

00:39:52.400 single show on CNN, every single thing they put on YouTube. I was within six or seven million of

00:39:57.440 them. The month of the election, November, I beat them. I beat all of them. By the way,

00:40:02.340 I beat NBC. I beat CBS, all of them regularly, the Sky News. November, I beat them all, all of them,

00:40:07.560 ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, all of them. So I'm not having a trust issue.

00:40:11.780 Right. He's, he's suggesting people aren't going to trust you. They're going to think you're in the

00:40:17.440 tank. Like, aren't you a hack now because you spoke for Trump. And again, this is why I say,

00:40:22.040 like, he, he doesn't watch the show. He doesn't understand what we do. Everybody listening to the

00:40:25.940 show right now knows I do criticize Trump and his administration plenty. I mean, just look at our

00:40:32.540 show yesterday where we opened up is before I sat with him talking about how I, I did not agree with

00:40:38.080 what they were doing on the press pool, right? Like Trump didn't speak to me for the better part

00:40:42.300 of late 23, early 24, because he was angry about that interview he gave me where I pressed him on,

00:40:47.780 on some of the law fair questions. It's not pleasant. It's not pleasant to be on the wrong

00:40:52.320 side of the president. I like him. So I, I want him to like me, but my job and my integrity is more

00:40:57.000 important to me. But all of these questions were geared toward you've sold your soul. You've become

00:41:01.780 a hack. You just do things to get patted on the head by the president and YouTube views.

00:41:07.960 Yeah. And that's a, that's the other thing I thought was interesting from that question is

00:41:11.740 that again, like we spent the first part of the show talking about how the white house screwed

00:41:15.680 up yesterday. I mean, you don't need to, it's not like you, you have to like miss one episode and

00:41:20.360 then you're out of the loop. Like you do this all the time. That's why people like you and trust you.

00:41:24.160 So it's actually part of the trust. Part of the trust is built into you being like,

00:41:29.020 yeah, I think people should vote for Donald Trump. Here is why. And then you can assess

00:41:34.520 my coverage of Trump's policies. You can assess my coverage of Kamala Harris's proposals

00:41:39.100 through that lens. It's actually like the, his question is completely missing the point.

00:41:44.480 It's a difference between owning your bias and then proceeding, you know, accordingly,

00:41:48.900 trying to do the best you can as a fair commentator and journalist, or just pretending it doesn't

00:41:52.980 exist. And then leaning into your bias because you want to express it through the news coverage,

00:41:56.980 which you are pretending is fair and objective, right? It's like this way I tell you what I'm

00:42:02.240 rooting for. Then I try to give you fair coverage. And anything I say that's opinion, you know, is from

00:42:07.340 that perspective. What the mainstream does so-called is they don't own any of their bias. They claim they

00:42:12.080 have none and they just manifest it through their alleged fact reporting, which is just so pernicious.

00:42:18.560 I mean, that's why they're failing. Here was the capper, right? So we get to the question

00:42:25.460 about Tucker Carlson. Years ago, Tucker was doxed. These hateful leftist groups showed up at his home

00:42:31.960 in Washington, DC, where his wife was alone. One of his children may have been home as well. I can't

00:42:39.120 remember right now, but for sure, Tucker wasn't there and his wife was in there and scared.

00:42:43.140 They were angry and they were chanting and they were getting all in his lawn. He had been doxed

00:42:48.540 and now his wife was threatened. And Ben Smith actually tried to compare my comments the other

00:42:55.480 day about Rachel Maddow's sanctimony to that. Watch this. Years ago, protesters went to Tucker Carlson's

00:43:05.020 home. I think you probably both remember very vividly. You called it at the time stomach turning

00:43:09.180 and said it has to stop. But it's funny. I was talking to another broadcaster the other night

00:43:13.840 and she said, you know, one thing Megan does that is most of us don't do is go after other people in

00:43:18.880 media really personally. Like there's sort of a gentleman's agreement in a lot of media to not

00:43:23.000 attack each other personally. And that, um, I don't know if, I don't know if you think that's true

00:43:26.580 as a broadcast person. Why don't you do it? Google Megan Kelly NBC and tell me whether the journalists

00:43:32.840 don't go after each other personally. You recently talked about Maddow's public complaints and sort

00:43:36.020 of said, you know, said that she should put up or shut up basically, but also about her expensive

00:43:41.000 real estate, about her homes. And I'm curious, like, do you have any compunction by getting that

00:43:45.660 personal? No. I would never give out her address. That would be a bridge too far and it doesn't

00:43:51.080 compare to what happened to Tucker in any way, shape or form. But Rachel Maddow got out there and

00:43:55.720 tried to act like, oh, I'm, I'm a woman of the working class. I'm here to represent the poor

00:44:00.700 staffers who could lose their jobs now as a result of Joy Reid biting it. And meanwhile,

00:44:05.020 she's collecting $25 million a year. She's got multiple homes worth millions. You know what?

00:44:09.560 Why don't you take a $2 million pay cut and save 10 of those jobs? If you feel that said,

00:44:13.280 you don't even have to pay it out of your bank account. Just tell them, pay me $23 million next

00:44:18.720 year instead of $25. She won't do it. She wants to seem virtuous and sanctimonious, but in fact,

00:44:24.340 she's only the latter because she won't actually put any money on the line. And an example of the

00:44:28.480 exorbitant life she leads while she's trying to remind us, oh, I've worked so many jobs,

00:44:32.720 the jobs I've worked, puts to the point her hypocrisy.

00:44:37.820 What'd you make of that one, Emily?

00:44:39.840 That's incredible. I mean, the way that Tucker ended up getting all of these insane protests

00:44:45.220 is that people were actually doxing him and they were encouraging protests outside of his home to

00:44:50.400 make him uncomfortable. It was the point of the protest. So it was, I mean, that question is

00:44:54.600 grossly, grossly unfair. And also I think baked into it was that hilarious assertion laundered

00:45:00.100 through this broadcast person that apparently said, you know, it's just very unusual to go after

00:45:04.840 people. It's like, no, no, it's unusual for libs to go after other libs. Like, yes, the rich liberals

00:45:11.000 do not go after the rich liberals, but they will absolutely take shots at people that are not, you

00:45:15.840 know, couth in their like book club circles on the Upper East Side. Like, give me a freaking break.

00:45:21.220 That's right. They don't go after each other. If it's another liberal, that's exactly right.

00:45:25.100 But if you're a conservative, you've been fair game for a long time, which again,

00:45:28.440 Ben Smith does not understand. But just as a refresher, my team did put together a few examples

00:45:35.060 of people violating the gentleman's agreement about which we know nothing. And I've been in

00:45:40.700 cable news for 20 years. Here it is. Black Santa truther, Megyn Kelly. Of course,

00:45:45.940 there's more from Megyn Kelly who seems to be sometimes the world's angriest multimillionaire.

00:45:50.300 I mean, look, it works for her podcast, you know, magnifying minorities, picking up on fringe

00:45:56.520 issues. Megyn Kelly, the blackface expert, the Jesus and Santa, our white lady is not going to

00:46:01.740 crawl her way back to social relevance. She owes a bigger apology to folks of color around the

00:46:08.280 country. That's silly. And it's disingenuous. And it's just as ignorant and racist as the

00:46:13.500 statement itself. She said something stupid. She said something indefensible.

00:46:16.660 Those Kremlin propagandist, Tucker Carlson. The image he was portraying on Fox, it's,

00:46:21.060 I would actually argue it's un-American. It's a darkened heart. That's right.

00:46:26.140 That comes from a darkened heart. The idea of Tucker Carlson being in that mob that day

00:46:33.120 and not wetting his pants is hard to imagine. I think Tucker Carlson gives a lot of air time to

00:46:39.040 hate for the LGBTQ community. He is heinous. He is vulgar. He's atrocious.

00:46:44.260 Tucker and Laura Ingraham say every night, it could be written by white supremacists. And there

00:46:49.520 is a section of this manifesto where the shooter starts talking about people always say diversity

00:46:53.780 is strength. I can hear it in Tucker's voice. He says this all the time, right? But the Ben Shapiros

00:46:58.820 of the world say this. To our most prominent white nationalists, he arguably has done more on cable

00:47:04.040 television to spread the gospel of hate, fear, and paranoia than anyone since radio propagandist

00:47:10.660 father Coughlin in the Nazi era of the 1930s. The first thing about it is that Tucker to me

00:47:16.200 was always a dumb person's idea of what a smart bigot sounded like. The most racist show in the

00:47:22.680 history of cable news. It's weird how I didn't get the memo on the gentleman's agreement that Ben

00:47:29.500 Smith and his anonymous broadcast source received. Hello, wake up. As they say in that one of my favorite

00:47:36.600 movies, get in the game. These people have been slinging it at us for years. And if they can't

00:47:42.100 take some mild, hey, she's rich and sanctimonious pushback, what, I mean, there's, what more can we

00:47:48.740 say? No, I mean, the time they'll do it when somebody like transgresses the boundaries of their

00:47:53.960 ideological comfort zone. So that's the only way that you can break the gentleman's agreement

00:47:58.360 is just being like outside of what's like considered polite society and these like awful,

00:48:04.480 corrupt media circles. So, I mean, just, you're like the worst person to ask that question

00:48:10.880 because it's so obvious that the question is premised on something insane.

00:48:16.900 Well, it's funny because he said, you know, she said there's this gentleman's agreement and I

00:48:20.920 laughed and said, why don't you try Googling Megyn Kelly at NBC and say, and he had no interest in

00:48:24.980 following up. And the other thing was he said, I said, the relationship between me and my audience

00:48:29.640 is authentic and it's tight. We're close. And they've got my back in part, because if I do make

00:48:35.700 a mistake, I will correct myself. And he said, well, have you like what? And I said, well, like I

00:48:40.320 was way too, uh, believing of the COVID vaccines and the manufacturers that if something went wrong

00:48:45.980 or people had serious side effects, that they would do something about it. They would own it and do

00:48:49.180 something about it. And I was dead wrong. And I've owned that with my, and he moved on.

00:48:53.720 You couldn't have gotten off of that faster. He was like, oh shit, that's not what I was hoping

00:48:58.800 you were going to say. He was like, I was really hoping you'd say something that would be pleasing

00:49:02.600 to me and not this in my audience here. No, that's annoying. Cause like I, Ben is,

00:49:07.900 I think one of the smarter people in media and he can be really interesting. Semaphore can be really

00:49:12.100 interesting. So that's an unfortunate series of questions and tally perhaps. Well, I, I still like

00:49:19.260 Ben Smith. And I believe that if I were to sit with him again, he would do a better job of

00:49:23.360 trying to understand what it is we do here at the MK show. But as it was, it was kind of fun

00:49:27.560 being on the opposite end of adversarial media media always is Emily. Great to see you up next

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00:51:07.400 The Red Scare Podcast. We love it when they swing by the Red Studio. Anna Kachiyun. Well, I screwed it up.

00:51:14.180 Kachiyun. Kachiyun. Kachiyun. You got it. I always screwed it up, Anna. Sorry. Kachiyun. No bit. And Dasha

00:51:19.500 Nekrasova. Ladies, welcome back. Thank you. Thanks for having me. It's great to have you. Great to be here.

00:51:24.080 And we've got our martinis made by Doug Brunt. So here's to Doug. Cheers, Doug. Love Doug Brunt.

00:51:30.360 Great to have you back. Great to be here. And perhaps appropriate for our Russian vodka. That's

00:51:36.900 nice. Or not, given the circumstances. President Zelensky is sitting in the Oval Office right now,

00:51:43.260 and it's not going well. This is just coming across the wires. We've got a soundbite. Apparently,

00:51:50.000 what teed this particular exchange you're about to hear off is Zelensky was maintaining that Trump,

00:51:56.300 he's sitting there with Trump and J.D., that Trump cannot trust Vladimir Putin.

00:52:01.280 And things went downhill from there. Watch. I'm talking about the kind of diplomacy that's

00:52:07.180 going to end the destruction of your country. Yes. But Mr. President, with respect, I think it's

00:52:11.920 disrespectful for you to come into the Oval Office and try to litigate this in front of the American

00:52:15.460 media. Right now, you guys are going around and forcing conscripts to the front lines because you

00:52:20.940 have manpower problems. You should be thanking the president for trying to bring it into this

00:52:25.480 conflict. Have you ever been to Ukraine that you say what problems we have?

00:52:28.960 I have been to... Come once. I've actually watched and seen the stories, and I know what happens is

00:52:36.040 you bring people, you bring them on a propaganda tour, Mr. President. Do you disagree that you've

00:52:41.300 had problems bringing people into your military? And do you think that it's respectful to come to

00:52:46.780 the Oval Office of the United States of America and attack the administration that is trying to

00:52:51.120 prevent the destruction of your country? We're trying to solve a problem. Don't tell us what

00:52:56.360 we're going to feel. I'm not telling you. Because you're in no position to dictate that. Remember this.

00:53:00.920 You're in no position to dictate what we're going to feel. We're going to feel very good.

00:53:07.140 We're going to feel very good and very strong. You will feel influence. You're right now not in a

00:53:12.620 very good position. You've allowed yourself to be in a very bad position, and he happens to be right

00:53:17.880 about it. From the very beginning of the war, Mr. President, you're not in a good position. You don't

00:53:21.820 have the cards right now. With us, you start having cards. I'm not playing cards. But right now,

00:53:26.160 you're playing cards. I'm very serious, Mr. President. I'm very serious. You're gambling with the lives of millions

00:53:31.180 of people. You're gambling with World War III. You're gambling with World War III. And what you're

00:53:38.260 doing is very disrespectful to the country, this country. It's back to you.

00:53:45.620 OMG. Zelensky said this right before those exchanges. We signed a deal with Putin. He did

00:53:52.960 not keep it. What kind of diplomacy are you talking about? Saying that, you know, President Trump's

00:53:58.440 attempts to solve this diplomatically aren't going to work. And you can see that did not go over well

00:54:04.660 with either of the two men he really could use on his side. Just so the audience knows, you were born

00:54:13.120 in Russia. Yeah. And you're from Belarus. But it was the Soviet Union. Yeah. Right. So, I mean,

00:54:19.320 you understand this region of the world a bit. What did you see there? I feel like a child of divorce.

00:54:25.860 This brings me right back to, like, my parents' shooting in our living room.

00:54:32.400 I don't really get Zelensky. I don't have a good theory of mind for him outside of him being an

00:54:36.980 actor. And he always acts like he's like in a Liam Neeson or Tom Cruise action film. He seems kind

00:54:43.720 of uppity and entitled when people are trying to extend an olive branch.

00:54:47.660 Mm-hmm. Yeah. I mean, he's been doing his, like, begging for money tour for years. Oh.

00:54:55.580 Oh, no, you're good. You're good. You got it.

00:54:59.280 So, yeah, he seems frustrated.

00:55:01.160 Yeah. But it just, when I look at that, I'm like, why would you do anything other than be

00:55:07.120 magnanimous and, frankly, like, suck up to President Trump, who's got the deepest pockets

00:55:15.540 of anybody who's helped him and could help him and is very interested in striking a deal to wrap

00:55:22.260 this thing up? Now, whether he likes the terms or not, that can all be negotiated. But why put him

00:55:26.860 in an angry mood while you're in the Oval? He hasn't read the art of the deal.

00:55:31.620 No. No. He doesn't know how to strike it. Does he think that the money will dry up if he

00:55:38.960 plays nice with Trump because he's so used to receiving largesse from, like, the Biden

00:55:44.440 administration and establishment Democrats? Like, is that the reasoning there? I have no idea. I

00:55:49.840 assume so. And there's a new sheriff in town. Like, he's got it. This is the man right there.

00:55:53.560 That man with the crazy blonde hair needs to like you, needs to believe in you. And we'll play more

00:56:01.140 as we get it. But this is absolutely foolhardy of Zelensky. You get invited to the Oval Office.

00:56:06.660 There's really only one posture you can take. You maintain your dignity, of course. Yes,

00:56:10.440 as a foreign leader, you're entitled to do that on behalf of your people.

00:56:14.480 Right. He shouldn't be groveling. As Trump says, he's not in a good position. He has a very low

00:56:18.440 approval rating. People are not a fan of this war that, I mean, we've been saying it's obvious,

00:56:24.680 I think, is a proxy war. Right. And he's saying you're going to get us into World War III. You want

00:56:29.620 World War III? Trump's saying that. He's not wrong. I mean, Russia has nukes. This is one of

00:56:33.880 the reasons why people over here have been so concerned about the increasing aid we've been

00:56:39.440 giving, the increasing weaponry we've been giving. We do not want a nuclear war with Russia at all,

00:56:44.560 especially over Ukraine and whether it's going to join NATO or have this slice of territory,

00:56:49.660 it's or Russians. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was surprised by how contentious this exchange is. It

00:56:54.300 almost feels staged or something. I mean, I assume it's not, but I'm sure you guys are familiar with

00:56:58.660 like the Marco Rubio comments recently. He's been doing a pretty good job. And he was talking

00:57:03.480 about how historically when they try to negotiate with Zelensky, he kind of meets them halfway and

00:57:10.800 accepts some of their terms and then goes back and blabs to the media that like, no, I rejected

00:57:15.340 this decision or this treaty unilaterally. Which is what just happened on this minerals deal

00:57:21.220 where Marco, you know, they never have the presidents meet directly before they've had the diplomats

00:57:25.700 meet directly. And the diplomats are supposed to strike the deal. And only when the deal is struck,

00:57:29.060 do you then put the leaders together so they can just look like, yay, we're winners. Look what we

00:57:33.000 did. So Rubio said that he met with his counterpart in Ukraine and that they, they reached a deal on

00:57:37.880 the rare mineral earth materials that they were going to start giving us some portion of them to

00:57:43.340 pay us back for all of our investment there. And also to keep us economically invested in the

00:57:49.120 harvesting of those minerals on a go forward basis, which Trump sees as a security guarantee for Ukraine.

00:57:53.800 If we're over there, our economic interests are over there mining these minerals, Putin,

00:57:58.580 his theory is we'll be less likely to invade again or do anything to upset Ukraine. So that's where

00:58:03.520 they got Marco Rubio said it publicly. Zelensky suddenly said, there's no deal. Rubio comes out

00:58:08.120 and says, this guy constantly does this. You know, like we, we, we did have a deal. Now he's saying no.

00:58:13.780 Then the news came. Yes, there is a deal. And Zelensky comes to the oval and apparently uses it as an

00:58:20.620 opportunity to tell Trump. Once again, he can't trust Putin. I mean, this is just dumb. This is

00:58:26.160 dumb diplomacy on his part, but here's another sound bite. We just got, um, it is Trump telling

00:58:31.040 Zelensky. We gave him $350 billion of our money. Watch your country is in big trouble. Can I, no,

00:58:39.340 no, you've done a lot of talking. Your country is in big trouble. I know you're not winning. You're not

00:58:44.680 winning this. You have a damn good chance of coming out okay because of us. Mr. President,

00:58:49.880 we are staying in our country, staying strong from the very beginning of the war. We've been

00:58:54.300 alone and we are thankful. I said, thanks. You haven't been alone. In this cabinet. You haven't

00:58:58.400 been alone. We gave you through the stupid president, $350 billion. We gave you military

00:59:05.140 equipment and you men are brave, but they had to use our military. If you didn't have our military

00:59:11.100 equipment, if you didn't have our military equipment, this war would have been over in two

00:59:17.160 weeks. He's not wrong. No, this did not go well, ladies. Listen to this. Here's some reaction.

00:59:25.580 Of course, the New York times, Peter Baker, who hates Trump with the passion of 10,000 sons

00:59:29.880 tweets out. Never has an American president lectured the leader of an ally in public like this,

00:59:36.100 much less the leader of a country that is fighting off invaders. Well, what if a leader attacks the

00:59:40.500 president and doesn't appreciate the amount of money that's been invested by his country,

00:59:45.200 Peter? Uh, the New York times reports the Lensky flashed a thumbs up as reporters were escorted out

00:59:51.380 of the oval asking my own team, did they escort reporters out before the meeting was over? Is

00:59:56.620 that what happened? Do we know? All right. That's what we think happened. Perhaps they were continuing

01:00:00.740 the meeting in private. Peter's wife, Susan Glasser of the New Yorker, who is horrid. I can't say

01:00:08.920 enough bad things about this person, uh, tweets out. This is the most shocking behavior by Trump

01:00:13.660 and Vance I've ever seen in the oval and ambush. Well, we'll have to go back and watch it from the

01:00:19.160 beginning. Tommy Victor Vitor, who's a former Obama guy and also a troll. I'm one of the co-hosts of

01:00:25.160 Pod Save America. These fucking assholes lecture and condescend to Zelensky and then fluff Putin at

01:00:32.220 every possible opportunity. Absolutely disgraceful. This is going to be talked about for a very long

01:00:36.540 time. We're witnessing a very important moment right now. What do you make? I mean, I think if

01:00:41.400 Peter Baker is against it, we're for it. Sure. I mean, I want the war to end. That's how I feel.

01:00:46.920 And I don't think it would have started if it had been enough. Okay. Sorry. Say again. Say again, Steve.

01:00:53.300 Oh God. What? There's a press conference that's going to start.

01:00:59.940 Oh wow. I don't like my chances on how well that's going to go. Yeah. Um, I don't know. I'm distressed

01:01:05.900 by this because we were close to getting this thing done. Like nobody else was close to getting it. And

01:01:12.060 it's not going to end in a way that the Ukrainians are going to like. That's just the truth. Yeah.

01:01:15.880 What happened was we were looking at forever stalemate and escalating war

01:01:19.240 for this where at least we stopped the losses. We come to some sort of an agreement in Ukraine

01:01:25.020 where we're at least there economically, which I agree with Trump would be somewhat of a deterrent

01:01:29.620 to Putin. But the other side that wants a better deal is not wrong that it feels like surrender and

01:01:36.660 that Putin is going to get to keep the territory. Well, you lose a war. That's the thing. It's like

01:01:41.760 the terms. Yeah. Didn't work out. It wasn't winnable. Yeah. And Zelensky almost feels like a

01:01:47.320 Patsy who was elected to facilitate a tremendous loss for Ukraine. And he's wildly unpopular.

01:01:54.900 He doesn't want to lose or he doesn't want to stop the war. No, I feel like. Do you guys

01:01:59.980 talk to, you know, people in the Eastern European community? Do you have a feel on how people are

01:02:05.440 taking this whole saga? I mean, I think in New York City, like the Russians and Ukrainians and

01:02:14.000 Belarusians that you meet tend to be on the liberal side. So they're pretty vehemently anti-Putin and

01:02:19.320 pro-Ukraine, whether or not they like Zelensky personally. Yeah. So it's not like an exactly

01:02:25.620 unbiased sample of people. I just don't talk about it. Yeah. With my parents. Are your parents

01:02:31.440 more pro-Zelensky? Oh, yeah. And you guys are not that pro-Zelensky? No. For the same reasons as

01:02:38.320 we've been discussing. Yeah. Yeah. That the war has been, to me, seemed very corrupt.

01:02:44.040 But how do you see through it? How did you manage to like see that as opposed to, you know,

01:02:48.260 it's like with that influence around you with people you love and trust from the region?

01:02:53.480 I mean, I guess I remember obviously like Putin is responsible for his actions. When the war started,

01:03:00.640 there was a whole narrative about whether or not he was crazy. And to me, he didn't, it didn't seem

01:03:05.320 crazy to not want NATO on your border. And that he was sort of provoked into starting the war,

01:03:11.300 which doesn't. Putin's not crazy. I don't think he's crazy. And he's a rational actor.

01:03:15.480 I've said before too, and this is controversial, but I actually don't think he's evil either,

01:03:19.900 which I know is also controversial. Yeah. But I just think if in Putin's head,

01:03:25.680 this is all very rational that he's got to protect mother Russia. He can't have NATO on his borders

01:03:31.040 and he will do what he thinks is necessary to protect his country and its long-term existence.

01:03:36.720 And also the hope of restoring mother Russia to her former glory. Yeah. Um, now I guess you could

01:03:42.300 use that same rationale to say, well, Hitler wasn't evil either because he believed he was doing the

01:03:45.520 right thing. But I just, I do think Putin is a rational actor who can be negotiated when that's

01:03:50.200 kind of what Trump has been saying, which is like this war never should have started. The whole NATO

01:03:54.740 discussion shouldn't have gone on. And frankly, the U S shouldn't have been meddling over there from 2014

01:03:59.940 forward. And I don't think NATO wants Ukraine. Yeah. It's, they certainly don't want to back them

01:04:06.040 now. Yeah. So I guess Zelensky is going to keep forcing the issue. I mean, I think traditionally

01:04:12.480 Russians are, um, who live in the West are like so against the old communist system. And I think maybe

01:04:19.180 they view Putin as an extension of that sort of authoritarianism and they can't kind of, uh,

01:04:26.080 get around that or accept that the world is different now. So that's probably part of their

01:04:31.980 reaction. I would love to go back and we will, you'll see this all weekend and you'll see it here

01:04:36.700 on the show on Monday to the start. Like what, what was the beginning? What set it off? How did

01:04:42.740 things start to unravel and how did it start to go downhill? This is going to dominate. This feels like

01:04:48.860 a very large news event and, uh, more on this as we get it. Um, as we get more sound bites too,

01:04:53.720 I'll play them for you. All right, let's move on to other more lighthearted. Let's get some

01:04:58.540 softballs. Actually, you guys were great people to have here, you know, given everything that's

01:05:04.000 happening. It's not like Israel and Hamas, but like you have some connection. Um, all right. So,

01:05:10.160 but it is a Friday. We do like to discuss some lighter cultural fair on Fridays if we can.

01:05:14.000 And that brings me to, um, Ashley St. Claire. Now I look, that was one of the other things that I had

01:05:21.120 with Ben Smith. When I went to his conference in DC yesterday, he was upset that I quote attacked

01:05:27.160 Ashley St. Claire, that I went after her. That's what he said. And he was acting like I was bullying

01:05:34.200 her in some way. Well, I never would have mentioned the name of Ashley St. Claire. She was not on my

01:05:38.400 radar. I I've never attacked Elon's other baby mamas. I don't care if like these women want to

01:05:44.920 strike that deal with Elon. It's none of my business. I good on him. If it works for everybody,

01:05:48.520 the difference with this woman is she knew completely what she was walking into. And then

01:05:54.840 when the benefit of that bargain came exactly as one could predict it would come, which is no

01:06:01.440 meaningful relationship with him, no Valentine's day together. She got upset, sent out a nasty tweet,

01:06:09.100 claimed a tabloid was doing an in-depth investigation on her, which never broke.

01:06:12.980 The only one who ever reported on this was the New York post because she gave them a photo shoot

01:06:18.620 inside the quote, lavish apartment with feet pics and a incorrectly arranged chess board.

01:06:24.340 Oh, I didn't notice that. Really? Yeah.

01:06:26.120 She is. Oh my God.

01:06:29.820 That's impressive. Yeah. There it is. Yeah. Here are the feet,

01:06:32.620 the naked feet with her Florida ceiling windows in an apartment almost certainly funded by him.

01:06:36.400 Yeah. Um, I think, well, she said that he kept her in isolation. Um, yeah, the knights and the

01:06:43.060 bishops are, need to be swapped, but, um, I'm impressed. Well, that's a true chess player to see

01:06:49.480 that in the photo. So what do you make of the fact that now she, you know, she, she wants us to feel

01:06:55.380 sorry for her. That's, that's what I believe. She's sad about her, the consequences of her own life

01:06:59.060 choices. And she definitely doesn't want publicity. Do not believe the pictures of her in the corset

01:07:04.920 in the New York post or doesn't want it. Yeah. She's wearing like a dark Lauren Sanchez look

01:07:10.000 where it's like the Lauren Sanchez inauguration fit, but all black. Um, no, I said this on our

01:07:16.860 podcast when we covered this topic, like sometimes I feel personally sort of undignified when we like

01:07:23.900 post selfies or shill our meme coin. And then there's like these influencers out there on social

01:07:30.240 media doing like Maury Povich paternity stuff. It's crazy. So now she has sued Elon that's in

01:07:36.360 the news today for paternity and accuses him of going dark on her. And Elon tweeted out something

01:07:43.760 to the effect of, I have taken care of every child I've ever fathered. And generously, if ever there's

01:07:51.520 been a breakdown, it's because the demands have been exorbitant. So he didn't name her,

01:07:56.060 but it seemed to be a clear reference to trust me, I'm going to take care of every child I sire,

01:08:01.660 but I'm not going to be made a fool of and start giving out billions to 26 year olds who I slept

01:08:09.200 with once in St. Bart's, which appears to be what happened here. We were sort of speculating on

01:08:14.460 whether they actually like knocked boots or if it was an IVF baby, because he has a record of that,

01:08:19.640 not really my business and don't care. But, um, yeah, people have dug up like old correspondences,

01:08:24.860 texts of hers or she screencapped. Yeah. Because they were disappearing. She was ready. Um,

01:08:33.000 and I'm to bed him. I'm not, I'm not that scandalized by that because, you know,

01:08:36.860 we women say all sorts of crazy things when we have our eyes on a guy. Yes. Like I wish he would

01:08:41.400 knock me up. That's not that outrageous. I've never said that. Um, but, uh, I think just her

01:08:50.080 conduct leading up to it, that she like leaked this herself on Valentine's day, um, that it was

01:08:56.460 kind of like a pre choreographed, almost Instagram, like post versus a tweet that it had the name and

01:09:03.200 email of her publicist who does crisis management and damage control for celebrities. She claims that

01:09:09.960 she was isolated in her home, that she wasn't able to take a walk with her baby. She, that her five

01:09:15.120 month old baby has never been out for a walk as if someone would recognize Ashley Sinclair at all.

01:09:22.560 Especially prior. Right. Like she was nobody. Right. Why would anybody care? That's what was

01:09:28.040 bothering her. Exactly. That's what, that was the problem. So the tweets to which you refer, um,

01:09:34.020 she had an exchange with another online influencer where she was talking about, um,

01:09:39.420 how she really wanted to have Elon's baby. I need his rocket babies. LOL. He 10,000%

01:09:46.740 saw my moon landing tweet. Then she writes to her friend, look, I'll take one for the team,

01:09:52.360 seduce Elon and get in a rocket to see what's up. Then she also said, I need a caption to seduce Elon

01:09:58.780 Musk. Thinking about the dangers of AI laughing emoji. Um, Elon replied to the thread revealing that

01:10:06.040 because it was the person with whom she was texting posted the private DM exchange on Twitter

01:10:11.540 and made it public. And Elon responded, Whoa, which I don't know what that means. Cause literally

01:10:16.460 Elon, I have news for you. Every woman you're sleeping with is doing it for the same reason

01:10:20.360 baby trapping. Like they're thinking they're going to get a private jet out of it. That's

01:10:25.940 probably a problem for most billionaires in dating newbies. But it sounds like he's on board with

01:10:31.480 that to some, like, I'm sure the Ashley Sinclair is taken care of in every regard besides the amount

01:10:37.160 of attention that she is getting. Which is not really up to him. It's kind of her, um, job in

01:10:43.040 life to make her own opportunities for attention. She can't count on him for that. Um, yeah, I,

01:10:48.480 I also want to point out that like when people say like, well, it's understandable why she entered

01:10:53.620 into this bizarre and unpleasant arrangement because, you know, it's, uh, she's set for life and, um,

01:11:00.960 think of the genes and so on. We were talking about this on the podcast. Like I, I don't think

01:11:06.560 that it, it doesn't seem that like fun or worthwhile or healthy to be chained to the

01:11:11.520 world's richest man financially, especially when you guys don't get along and he doesn't like you.

01:11:17.960 Right. I will punish you because you overstepped. And then the genetic argument is bizarre too,

01:11:24.000 because even if your kid has like the most maximized genes and the highest IQ, he's already

01:11:29.540 kind of screwed because there have been idiots like squabbling on the internet about him since

01:11:34.760 before he gained sentience. Yeah. I must rather have a child with a regular IQ and a father in

01:11:40.100 the picture. Yeah. Um, I, I don't know this person, but my strong belief is this wasn't about having a

01:11:45.840 baby with a high IQ. She wanted to be taken care of for the rest of her life. Yeah. She already had a

01:11:49.420 baby from another man. Then she hooks up with Elon, which was clearly her goal. Okay, fine.

01:11:54.920 Oh, it was fine. I actually know people who are gold diggers and it's like, that's a choice. You

01:12:00.140 know, if you're like a beautiful woman and you have a lot of rich men who want to like,

01:12:04.040 I don't really have a problem with it to be honest with you. I do have a problem with you

01:12:09.500 then playing the victim. Right. And wanting me to feel sorry for you when he's with somebody else

01:12:14.380 on Valentine's day. And when you're, you're lavish New York city apartment, isn't quite lavish

01:12:19.600 enough. Yeah. And I also just feel like I just do desperately want to remind young women,

01:12:25.660 you don't have to go this way. You can make your own money and still wind up with somebody

01:12:32.320 great. It is a possibility. You just have to start a podcast. They say in New York,

01:12:37.060 you can have a good relationship, a livable apartment or a good career, but you can only

01:12:41.800 have two of those three. I deny that. I know you think, yeah, but you're very, we saw your tweet.

01:12:49.040 When I started at Fox, I, I think my first job at Fox was $115,000 a year. I'm trying to remember

01:12:57.120 because we, we negotiated like a, no, no, it was, yeah, they wanted to pay me under a hundred. And

01:13:01.780 I said, I, there's no way I'm taking on under a hundred with 10 years of law practice under my

01:13:05.380 belt. I refuse just on principle. So I got it right over a hundred. It was like 105 or 110. I can't

01:13:10.340 remember. My point is now that's, that's a good salary for sure. But I wasn't rich and I had to live

01:13:16.920 in Manhattan, right? It was like, I had to be at work at five in the morning. Um, first DC and

01:13:21.820 then Manhattan. My point is, yeah, I have money now, but I did not always have money. I really

01:13:25.940 didn't. And my first job in TV only paid 17 grand a year. But if you love what you do, you put in

01:13:32.480 endless hours. It's a labor of love. And usually if you're a hard worker, you will do well in the

01:13:39.140 profession of your choice. She was making it. She had a million followers on X. Well, now I wonder,

01:13:44.100 now you're there, you're both making the same face. I do wonder how she got the followers.

01:13:48.320 I mean, she's like a influencer. Yeah. Right. Sort of already prostitute adjacent.

01:13:56.740 What do you mean? Are there influencers who are not prostitutes? She is not one of them.

01:14:00.940 Yeah. You know, she's in the, she was in that conservative men's calendar a couple years ago.

01:14:07.240 She has like assorted online history as sex laptop. Allegedly. Oh, I don't know. These are

01:14:14.200 things that I like absolutely don't judge her for. I don't care. Okay. Right. Whatever to each

01:14:19.140 his own. As you said, I wouldn't have known again who she was had she not exactly. Yeah. So anyway,

01:14:24.540 okay. That's enough of Ashley saying Claire, I think we're done with her now. Um, the Oscars are this

01:14:29.160 weekend. Are you guys going to watch that? I guess. Yeah. Oh, you're an actress. I mean,

01:14:33.380 I don't always watch the Oscars, but Conan O'Brien's hosting. He's funny. I enjoy him. Um,

01:14:38.780 our viewers may or may not remember that Dasha is a successful actress who started among other

01:14:43.960 things, succession. Yeah. Everybody's favorite. Did you happen to read the profile in New York

01:14:49.740 magazine on the Murdochs? It hit on the, in the paper version this past weekend and hit in the online

01:14:55.660 version a week or so earlier. You might find it interesting. They went back and found all the

01:15:00.180 actual court filings in this hideous fight that's going on between Lachlan and Rupert on the one

01:15:05.700 side and James and Liz and Prudence, uh, Murdoch on the other side. And there was this whole big

01:15:12.880 hearing out in Reno, Nevada on what's going to happen with his trust. And they got all the

01:15:17.240 transcripts. So you're seeing the actual testimony of the actual Murdochs and what's happening. You

01:15:21.920 might find it really starting that series. Um, but okay. So I used to watch the Oscars religiously

01:15:27.240 and I look forward to the fashion and just to see who the winners were. And it was a time when

01:15:31.860 there weren't 15 nominees for best actor and best picture. And when you'd seen all the movies. Yeah.

01:15:38.980 Now I was looking at the list. I think I've seen one, like I saw conclave. That's all I've seen.

01:15:45.800 I don't even recognize the names of the others. Yeah. And the ceremony itself has changed and they're

01:15:50.340 wokeified and they're annoying. And this Amelia Perez seems to be the favorite to win everything,

01:15:54.400 which is about some very manly tranny. Like I, I don't know. What are we rooting for?

01:16:02.680 Have, has anyone seen Amelia Perez? I'm really curious. No. Cause I can't tell if it's like a spoof

01:16:08.580 or what people are mad that it's not like, it doesn't actually offer like a, like a,

01:16:15.160 and not there's not enough woke ideology in it. Okay. That sounds promising. We have a clip. If you,

01:16:20.480 if you haven't seen the clip, you must, I think we may have seen the clip.

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01:17:21.800 Is there something in these martinis?

01:17:23.060 Or did that actually just happen?

01:17:25.220 That's, that's, that was, that's one of the best picture nominees and it's the favorite.

01:17:29.900 Well, it's a musical.

01:17:31.080 I'm willing to give it, you know.

01:17:32.540 I want to give it a shot.

01:17:33.760 I think it could have some merit, you know.

01:17:37.600 Here's why it's not going to win.

01:17:39.480 Mm-hmm.

01:17:40.080 Mm-hmm.

01:17:40.620 The lead trans, trans person is controversial.

01:17:46.260 Uh-huh.

01:17:46.680 Was tweeting out a bunch of stuff that does not make Hollywood happy.

01:17:50.100 No.

01:17:50.360 Um, okay, Carla Sofia Gascon, who is a man pretending to be a woman, um, has got a bunch

01:18:00.540 of tweets out there that criticize, like, George Floyd, um, hold on, let me get it.

01:18:07.320 Yeah, I'm trying to find it.

01:18:09.060 The Oscar ceremony itself.

01:18:10.680 Islam is becoming a hotbed of infection for humanity, and that urgently needs to be cured.

01:18:15.820 Then, about Selena Gomez, his co-star, she's a rich rat.

01:18:21.660 He's the poor bastard whenever she can, and will never stop bothering her ex-boyfriend,

01:18:26.340 Justin Bieber, and his wife.

01:18:27.680 Okay.

01:18:28.440 There's more.

01:18:29.040 Um, attached to a photo of a Muslim family he saw at a restaurant, including a woman in

01:18:34.780 a burqa, tweeted, Islam is marvelous.

01:18:38.220 Without any machismo, women are respected.

01:18:40.960 And when they are so respected, they are left with a little squared hole on their faces for

01:18:45.340 their eyes to be visible on their mouths.

01:18:48.320 But only if she behaves.

01:18:50.260 Although they dress this way for their own enjoyment.

01:18:52.080 How deeply disgusting of humanity.

01:18:55.360 And here's the last one.

01:18:56.620 There are more, but the last one I'll read here.

01:18:59.120 I really think that very few people ever cared about George Floyd, a drug-addicted swindler,

01:19:05.080 but his death has served to once again demonstrate that there are people who still consider black

01:19:09.860 people to be monkeys without rights, and consider policemen to be assassins.

01:19:16.260 They're all wrong.

01:19:17.880 And it goes on from there.

01:19:18.960 So, what does that do to Emilia Perez's chances?

01:19:22.560 Uh, well, didn't they kind of, um, drop her from, uh, the press?

01:19:28.280 From the Netflix.

01:19:29.580 Is going to attend the Oscars.

01:19:31.480 Yeah.

01:19:32.140 But I actually think Conclave's going to win because Pope Francis is on his death battle.

01:19:37.020 Yes.

01:19:37.580 So people become more interested in people on claims.

01:19:40.100 Uh, and they, they definitely want to suggest there will be an intersex hope on death in the

01:19:46.220 Catholic Church.

01:19:46.860 That's what we're hoping for, like, a trans black woman for the papacy.

01:19:52.200 It's about time.

01:19:53.040 Sure, sure.

01:19:54.340 I kind of low-key love Carla Sophia Gascon.

01:19:58.420 They're pretty moderate and pretty on point.

01:20:01.320 Welcome to our side.

01:20:03.060 Come on the pod.

01:20:03.760 Uh, no, no disrespect to George Floyd because we have the same music taste and I can relate

01:20:09.460 to him not knowing how to boil water, but she's right that this person was kind of sanctified

01:20:16.420 not for the stated reasons, which is that people were locked down due to COVID and were

01:20:21.080 mourning the loss of their own lives, not his lives.

01:20:23.900 They wanted to get out and protest because they were angry about everything being shut

01:20:27.960 down.

01:20:28.360 Well, it is funny because some of those are more incendiary, but the vast majority suggests

01:20:33.040 that this person is really a conservative and doesn't go along with these identity politics,

01:20:38.100 which makes the whole transition even more bizarre.

01:20:42.040 But I mean, we've got Caitlyn Jenner, who's not into identity politics either and has, you

01:20:47.360 know, done the so-called transition.

01:20:48.920 So I, like, I do think he's being treated the same way anyone who had been outed as a

01:20:54.480 conservative would be treated, which is with horror.

01:20:57.340 Yeah.

01:20:58.100 But it's crazy.

01:21:00.140 Yeah.

01:21:00.480 But he's nominated for best actress.

01:21:02.600 I know.

01:21:03.080 Yeah.

01:21:03.440 Just think about the sentence I just said.

01:21:05.080 I know.

01:21:05.620 I know.

01:21:06.220 I was thinking about this.

01:21:07.680 I want to, I wonder what your guys' take is on this because it's, it doesn't seem to

01:21:12.180 be the same thing as like, um, men competing in women's sports where they have a distinct,

01:21:16.900 like physical biological advantage.

01:21:18.980 This seems kind of more nebulous, but it is also kind of awkward and weird to have

01:21:23.460 a person who was a biological male compete in the best act.

01:21:26.820 I don't think he's got any advantage.

01:21:29.000 It is.

01:21:29.340 That is kind of funny.

01:21:30.260 Like there have been some of the sports where I'm like, where is there a natural male

01:21:33.560 advantage?

01:21:33.940 Like, um, pool billiards.

01:21:37.260 Yeah.

01:21:38.200 Yeah.

01:21:38.440 That was one where the women were like, no, we don't want the men here.

01:21:40.900 And I'm like, is that one where, but I think the, the complaint, what they say, yes,

01:21:46.460 chess.

01:21:48.060 Yeah.

01:21:48.540 Why?

01:21:48.980 Well, why, why is chess separated?

01:21:51.640 Well, men are, you know, smarter, not in like, you know, just in terms of strategic

01:21:57.640 thinking, the kind of thinking that chess is, that there's a reason.

01:22:00.980 Is that true?

01:22:01.660 I mean, there's a reason like all the grandmasters are men.

01:22:05.140 I mean, one does have, there are really good female chess players.

01:22:07.940 Yeah.

01:22:08.100 Like you're not saying net, net, they're smarter.

01:22:10.020 You're saying certain areas of thinking in like the excellent outliers of like competitive

01:22:15.400 sports and when it comes to directions, I guess, yeah, that's definitely another one.

01:22:20.840 And then we have the advantage over them when it comes to certain other things like how to

01:22:24.920 organize one's life and discipline with a soft hand.

01:22:29.660 Exactly.

01:22:31.260 Yeah.

01:22:32.380 But I think I love this story.

01:22:35.000 I just learned about it today and on the way here in the car.

01:22:37.800 And I just, I love when the kind of elites like woke politics come back to bite them in the ass

01:22:46.400 because they'll foreground, like showcase these people with like alternative identities.

01:22:52.900 And then it turns out that they don't always like fall in line or fit the bill.

01:22:56.680 And they claim to like respect identity.

01:22:58.760 But what they really want is to people to, they demand conformity, you know, and you can

01:23:04.320 be like gay, black, trans, disabled, whatever.

01:23:07.760 If you air conservative views, you are suddenly exiled from like the progressive stack.

01:23:15.420 Ask Caitlyn Jenner.

01:23:16.960 Ask Clarence Thomas.

01:23:19.780 Yeah.

01:23:20.400 Carol Swain was on the program last week, professor of all the elite universities.

01:23:24.700 But as soon as she started to think more heterodox, in a more heterodox way, especially on race,

01:23:30.240 she was kicked out of the squad.

01:23:31.660 Yeah.

01:23:31.860 Doesn't matter.

01:23:32.240 Black woman.

01:23:33.520 They loved her.

01:23:34.380 Nope.

01:23:35.220 Tulsi Gabbard.

01:23:36.220 She was like the next rising star on the Democratic Party.

01:23:38.840 She's like, she's non-white.

01:23:41.840 She's like, she's got a lot of firsts behind her.

01:23:44.980 Yeah.

01:23:45.420 When it comes to her religion and so on and a woman.

01:23:47.680 But she backed Bernie instead of Hillary.

01:23:50.620 She had to be taken out.

01:23:51.800 And then she said a bunch of stuff about the Democrat Party not being fair.

01:23:55.660 Her career was over.

01:23:57.220 And with the Academy, I mean, a couple of years ago, I think it was after Ellen DeGeneres was canceled.

01:24:02.060 She got mean-tuned.

01:24:04.260 Mean-tuned.

01:24:05.520 I enjoyed that one.

01:24:06.700 I'm not going to lie.

01:24:06.820 But they couldn't even find someone to host.

01:24:09.000 It was either the Oscars or the Golden Globes.

01:24:11.100 But like there wasn't anyone that they could even find because they couldn't.

01:24:14.240 There wasn't anyone who's never said anything non-problematic.

01:24:17.360 Right.

01:24:18.240 And who wants someone who's never said anything non-problematic?

01:24:21.300 In the arts?

01:24:21.860 I know.

01:24:22.420 Come on.

01:24:22.860 Boring.

01:24:23.440 Yeah.

01:24:24.100 And it stands to reason that if you're the type of person who would change your entire gender identity,

01:24:30.500 you probably have other problematic things going on in your life.

01:24:34.420 Good point.

01:24:35.260 A simple Google search might have served them well prior to that nomination.

01:24:39.900 I don't think that this person is going to win the best actress.

01:24:44.500 And that's a good thing for the other reasons.

01:24:47.200 All right.

01:24:47.380 Now wait.

01:24:47.700 More from the Zelensky meeting.

01:24:48.800 Fox just reported that the Zelensky-Trump presser is now canceled.

01:24:53.960 Oh, wow.

01:24:55.080 What a shock.

01:24:56.440 A statement from President Donald J. Trump.

01:24:58.660 Quote,

01:24:58.880 We had a very meaningful meeting in the White House today.

01:25:01.660 Much was learned that could never be understood without conversation under such fire and pressure.

01:25:06.000 It's amazing what comes out through emotion.

01:25:08.720 And I have determined that President Zelensky is not ready for peace if America is involved.

01:25:13.100 Oh, God.

01:25:14.120 Because he feels our involvement gives him a big advantage in negotiations.

01:25:20.540 I don't want advantage.

01:25:22.360 I want peace.

01:25:23.220 He disrespected the United States of America in its cherished Oval Office.

01:25:28.380 He can come back when he is ready for peace.

01:25:31.200 Oh, my God.

01:25:33.720 Damn.

01:25:34.380 This did not go well.

01:25:35.600 No.

01:25:36.600 I can think of another guy who disrespected the United States of America in the cherished Oval Office.

01:25:43.180 Bill Clinton?

01:25:43.800 Yeah.

01:25:44.360 Yeah.

01:25:44.740 Oh, there we go.

01:25:45.820 Yeah.

01:25:46.280 Well, that's in the news now, too.

01:25:47.920 Which is first a word on that Zelensky thing.

01:25:50.200 He will come back.

01:25:51.000 I predict he will come back to the Oval Office.

01:25:52.860 And he will come back on bended knee because there's no resolving that war without us.

01:25:56.240 I think he's going to grovel?

01:25:56.780 Yes, he will come back and he will grovel.

01:25:59.340 There is no resolving that war without us.

01:26:01.980 No.

01:26:02.300 I mean, we started it.

01:26:03.020 We started it.

01:26:03.840 We're paying for it.

01:26:04.900 If we just pull all of our support, it's over.

01:26:07.620 Russia will take Ukraine.

01:26:09.700 Yeah.

01:26:09.960 Europe can't do it without us.

01:26:10.960 Like Vance said, yeah, they don't even have.

01:26:12.720 I mean, they've lost.

01:26:13.640 They've had so many casualties.

01:26:15.240 They're like inscripting people.

01:26:18.300 Does he want.

01:26:19.120 Is he trying to foster a closeness between Putin and Trump even more so?

01:26:22.720 Like, yeah, as soon as we pull our support, it's over for him.

01:26:26.140 Yeah.

01:26:26.340 And he can't go in there and play tough guy.

01:26:28.560 Zelensky.

01:26:29.120 And of course, this isn't the Oscars.

01:26:30.640 This isn't the Oscars.

01:26:33.560 Because then Russia takes it all.

01:26:35.420 But I, I almost think it would be funny for America to rage quit and pull out.

01:26:39.760 And leave them to their own devices.

01:26:42.000 Right.

01:26:42.660 Well, we'll see.

01:26:44.400 I mean, Trump, he's a very good negotiator.

01:26:46.720 And this is, this feels like negotiating.

01:26:48.680 This is what you do.

01:26:49.480 Yeah.

01:26:49.900 When the other side's totally unreasonable.

01:26:51.180 And we learned this in law school.

01:26:52.720 And they don't have any leverage.

01:26:54.180 Right.

01:26:54.760 And when the other person's just being a douche, you get up and walk out.

01:26:59.060 Like you just, you don't even have to negotiate against that.

01:27:01.440 It's just, okay, bye.

01:27:02.540 Yeah.

01:27:02.720 And you know they'll call you because they need you more than you need them.

01:27:05.240 I don't know whether Zelensky was a douche.

01:27:08.060 I'm just saying if one believes one's negotiating partner is.

01:27:12.260 And he certainly did not sound like he was in the right emotional posture for somebody in his position without the cards.

01:27:20.940 Okay, wait.

01:27:22.100 Where are we just going to go?

01:27:23.140 To Monica Lewinsky, of all people.

01:27:25.160 This is the weirdest hour of news ever.

01:27:27.380 The original Ashley Sinclair.

01:27:28.680 Yeah.

01:27:29.300 All right, we have a break.

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01:30:25.620 This just in, Zelensky just left the White House.

01:30:35.420 Kind of a good observation by Sagar and Jetty, who writes, keep in mind, Zelensky has probably been talking this way to Biden for years.

01:30:41.960 He's not wrong.

01:30:43.300 Yeah.

01:30:43.740 Right?

01:30:44.280 That's true.

01:30:45.100 Good point.

01:30:45.600 And before we get on to substantive news about Monica Lewinsky, so we're like at the bottom one-fourth, I'd say, of our Doug Brunt made martinis, which are absolutely delicious.

01:30:56.480 He's a good mixologist, no?

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01:31:12.540 Oh, that's so fun.

01:31:13.220 Is it a writerly?

01:31:14.320 He put it on YouTube as well now.

01:31:16.140 Yeah, so he's got a YouTube version, but he does it once a week.

01:31:19.520 We've actually gotten a lot of fun drinks out of that, like ones we never knew about.

01:31:23.880 This is more popular than I knew, but I never knew about the French 75.

01:31:27.680 It's, I don't know if it's half and half, but it's gin and champagne or Prosecco.

01:31:33.200 And like blackberry?

01:31:35.120 Or it's some kind of syrup.

01:31:36.560 I know, I might have forgotten this.

01:31:38.600 Oh, and lemon.

01:31:39.380 Lemon.

01:31:40.320 Well done, though.

01:31:41.500 Look at you.

01:31:42.180 That's a Cure Royale.

01:31:43.200 I used to make that when I was a waitress.

01:31:45.260 That's just the kind of thing you want to order.

01:31:46.760 That just sounds like Cure Royale.

01:31:48.260 It makes you sound cooler.

01:31:49.320 Yeah.

01:31:50.500 Here's what happened after the last time you guys were here.

01:31:54.080 This is, I only drink this when you come.

01:31:55.920 And it didn't go well when I had to read the ads after the show.

01:32:01.880 Here it is.

01:32:04.020 I've never done the ads after a martini.

01:32:06.600 Maybe I have, and I just don't remember, but I'll do my best.

01:32:09.740 Every day, the rhetoric gets more and more divisive.

01:32:12.560 There's panic with some people willing to say or do anything if they think it will help their side win.

01:32:17.160 There's so much uncertainty, which explains why so many people.

01:32:29.480 Designed to be incredibly breathable, it keeps you several degrees cooler for a night of uninterrupted rest with a durable weave.

01:32:37.260 That's so cute.

01:32:46.860 What is a durable weave?

01:32:48.740 Durable weave.

01:32:49.640 I don't know.

01:32:50.240 What were you?

01:32:50.760 I don't remember.

01:32:51.220 Sheet hawking.

01:32:52.120 It was sheets, but like a durable weave.

01:32:56.840 That's funny.

01:32:57.380 That's funny even without a martini.

01:32:59.000 And then ultimately, my husband, Doug, had to step in because he and I drank an eggnog in Christmas.

01:33:06.940 And when I tried to do it, the same thing happened.

01:33:08.520 He had to step in and read the last ad for me.

01:33:13.080 So you're not a big drinker.

01:33:15.840 I mean, I kind of, I guess I'm not.

01:33:18.040 I thought I could hold my liquor, but I don't usually have something like this quite this strong during the day.

01:33:22.920 Yeah, right.

01:33:23.460 This is why we've never gone beyond being an extremely niche cult podcast because we're just wasted all the time.

01:33:34.060 But, you know, I was just saying this to, I think it was my hairstylist today who I love.

01:33:39.320 I was like, this is what I love about these two because you both are so interesting.

01:33:43.140 You have that flat affect.

01:33:44.580 You've got this great sense of style.

01:33:46.380 You obviously love each other.

01:33:47.820 Like, I love your friendship.

01:33:49.080 But you say things that are totally unexpected.

01:33:53.460 There are too many people who say stuff that you've heard everywhere else.

01:33:57.860 And so while, like, you don't deliver it with all sorts of, right, the flair, physically or emotionally, the substantive points are always interesting and they're unexpected.

01:34:10.800 Yeah.

01:34:11.520 Yeah, that's what's special about you.

01:34:13.060 We appreciate it.

01:34:13.920 That's so nice.

01:34:14.480 So I would like you to unleash your specialness.

01:34:18.300 I'm Monica Lewinsky, who went on the sex podcast, Call Her Daddy.

01:34:21.480 And, I mean, I will give credit to the sex podcaster.

01:34:24.940 This is more your realm.

01:34:26.040 This is better.

01:34:26.740 You should stick to this instead of the Kamala Harris.

01:34:28.600 You did better here.

01:34:31.220 And here is, okay, here's, she asked her a good question.

01:34:37.340 What is the name of the sex podcaster?

01:34:39.880 Alex.

01:34:40.420 Cooper.

01:34:40.860 Thank you.

01:34:41.460 Thank you.

01:34:41.960 Forgive me.

01:34:42.380 She asked Monica a question that I don't think she's gotten asked before, and that's saying something about the Clinton scandal, which was, what would you have liked him to do when the whole scandal broke?

01:34:55.220 That is a good question.

01:34:56.400 That is it, right?

01:34:57.140 So I think we have that queued up.

01:34:58.880 Let's watch it.

01:34:59.500 Saw 39.

01:34:59.980 I think that the right way to handle a situation like that would have been to probably say it was, you know, nobody's business and to resign, you know.

01:35:15.040 Or to find a way, to find a way of staying in office that was not lying and not throwing a young person who was just starting out in the world under the bus.

01:35:29.380 And at the same time, I'm hearing myself say that, and it's like, okay, but we're also talking about the most powerful office in the world, you know.

01:35:42.740 So I don't want to be naive either.

01:35:47.580 Interesting.

01:35:48.400 Did they fix up the set to look more presidential?

01:35:51.880 I'm not sure what was going on.

01:35:53.300 Right.

01:35:53.600 Did it cost $100,000?

01:35:55.120 It didn't look like the Kamala.

01:35:56.440 Why didn't the budget go into her pants?

01:35:58.800 I have a real issue with those black and white, black and red checkered trousers.

01:36:04.040 It's an issue.

01:36:05.020 I don't hate them.

01:36:05.860 I think she looks good.

01:36:06.920 You don't hate them?

01:36:07.500 She looks amazing.

01:36:08.300 She looks better than she did, as you pointed out, when the scandal originated.

01:36:12.740 I think we all look better than we looked in the 90s.

01:36:14.360 True.

01:36:15.020 I mean, you know, I have to say, she does too.

01:36:19.760 It's fine.

01:36:20.780 There's zero chance a president would ever resign, you know, in the wake of a scandal.

01:36:25.980 But I am of two minds.

01:36:27.440 Like, I'm really torn about Monica Lewinsky because Clinton is a douchebag in many ways.

01:36:32.500 That's clear.

01:36:33.380 Yeah.

01:36:33.560 He definitely metooed her, you know, with the power imbalance and all that.

01:36:38.060 Sure.

01:36:38.740 She really took a beating in the public eye, a severe beating in the public eye, and she

01:36:42.760 was very young.

01:36:44.480 But on the other hand, she made the choices she made.

01:36:46.800 When you're 22, you have knowledge about the risks.

01:36:50.360 She was young.

01:36:51.160 She wasn't, you know.

01:36:52.380 Yeah.

01:36:52.520 So how do you see it?

01:36:53.380 She was clearly attracted to his power, and she was flattered by the fact that he took

01:36:58.700 a liking to her as the leader of the free world.

01:37:02.840 Like, I guess, who wouldn't be?

01:37:06.320 The one thing I can say that really, I guess, red-pilled me against feminism was the reaction

01:37:11.480 of mainstream establishment feminists to Monica Lewinsky.

01:37:14.580 Like, Gloria Steinem, all the bigwigs, they kind of got in line and were like, she's a

01:37:20.480 slut.

01:37:20.980 She's a whore.

01:37:22.340 Because they had to protect him.

01:37:23.380 Yeah, because they're Democrats before they're feminists.

01:37:26.640 Exactly.

01:37:27.340 And I remember, you know, being like, wait, this isn't right.

01:37:33.460 This doesn't make sense.

01:37:34.460 This isn't consistent with your stated ideology.

01:37:37.280 She, but now she has like a, she's on a kind of redemption.

01:37:41.260 She went on to call her daddy to promote her own podcast, which is called, it's called,

01:37:47.020 what is it called?

01:37:47.680 It's like.

01:37:48.060 Don't worry about it.

01:37:48.880 It's called Reclaiming.

01:37:49.640 There's not a single listener who will be tuning in to this show.

01:37:53.620 But it's called, yeah, I think it's Reclaiming, and she's reclaiming her narrative.

01:37:57.800 But she already did a whole movie about that.

01:37:59.880 Exactly.

01:38:00.620 She's, it's been reclaimed.

01:38:02.940 She's an interesting case study in how things have shifted from, like,

01:38:07.280 nowadays we would never slut shame someone in her position.

01:38:11.840 I mean, I might, I might.

01:38:12.960 You might.

01:38:14.000 I'm not going to lie.

01:38:14.960 I might do it.

01:38:15.340 We might.

01:38:16.040 But the society at large would not.

01:38:18.740 The status would be seen.

01:38:20.100 Those leftist feminists.

01:38:21.140 Like a hallowed victim.

01:38:22.400 Yeah.

01:38:22.700 Yeah.

01:38:23.480 I don't know.

01:38:24.160 Like, I have, I really feel like she needs to move on.

01:38:27.240 Definitely.

01:38:27.980 That's sad.

01:38:28.400 Like, I'm sick and tired of hearing about this.

01:38:30.880 If you're going to launch a podcast, go for it.

01:38:32.320 But it's like, this is her only thing.

01:38:33.520 What has she done since then, other than she writes for Vanity Fair?

01:38:36.320 Great.

01:38:36.820 Okay.

01:38:37.060 That's fine.

01:38:37.840 But then you should be talking about the columns that you write and whatever your accomplishments

01:38:41.060 have been since 1995 when, or whatever it was for when I sat in the Barnes and Noble

01:38:48.980 of the World Trade Center and read the Ken Starr report as a young aspiring lawyer, or I

01:38:56.780 just started practicing law.

01:38:57.780 I can't remember which, but I must've just graduated from law school because I was in

01:39:00.900 law school, whatever.

01:39:02.480 It doesn't matter.

01:39:02.840 The point is, um, that's how long it's been and she's still out there talking about her

01:39:08.480 blow jobs with Bill Clinton.

01:39:09.900 It's too much.

01:39:10.980 It's sad.

01:39:11.840 I mean, but that's the real takeaway from all of these type of me too scandals.

01:39:15.920 I mean, she, when she was going through, it wasn't me two times yet, but there's like

01:39:22.320 a reluctance and inability to just move on, move past and their identities are forever

01:39:27.680 tethered to this traumatic episode.

01:39:29.480 And they have to re-traumatize themselves over and over.

01:39:33.200 And really it's like, it starts to feel after a while kind of cynical because it's clearly

01:39:37.720 like a ploy to promote their own work, their own content.

01:39:40.800 Yes.

01:39:41.420 It's like she, at this point she should be saying, I've said all there is to say on that

01:39:47.000 subject.

01:39:47.340 Like we're good.

01:39:48.140 Let's, let's talk about something else because I'm sure that interview did talk about her

01:39:51.620 new show and whatever.

01:39:53.020 No one cares.

01:39:53.860 The only reason they care about her is because of that scandal, which is why I probably,

01:39:58.280 if I were Monica Lewinsky, would have chosen a life in the private sector.

01:40:01.900 Just make, doing some good.

01:40:03.640 You can do some, you can achieve other things.

01:40:06.240 She could be like Pamela Anderson.

01:40:07.540 She could stop wearing makeup and do a photo shoot.

01:40:10.720 I have mixed feelings on that one too.

01:40:11.720 Me too.

01:40:12.320 I have overwhelmingly negative feelings as a Pam lover, but.

01:40:15.920 How do you feel about Vivek's naked feet in whatever interview he just gave?

01:40:20.040 Oh, don't make me say anything racist on a mainstream media.

01:40:22.940 Why is it racist?

01:40:24.100 You have racist thoughts on it?

01:40:25.500 Kind of a guru look.

01:40:26.660 Yeah.

01:40:27.340 I don't know.

01:40:28.060 Kind of not giving a simulated, you know?

01:40:30.840 He doesn't look very governory.

01:40:32.800 No.

01:40:33.440 No.

01:40:34.040 It makes him look vulnerable.

01:40:35.400 You should never, Achilles heel, you should never show your feet as a man.

01:40:38.780 Or your Achilles heel.

01:40:39.680 And as a woman, you should never show them for free.

01:40:44.660 Never show my feet for free?

01:40:46.340 Only on OnlyFans.

01:40:48.480 Or yeah.

01:40:49.600 You can make a lot of money showing your feet on OnlyFans.

01:40:51.940 A lot of money.

01:40:52.940 I bet people would love to see the souls of your feet.

01:40:55.000 I mean, they'd be horrified.

01:40:56.280 My toes are like my fingers, super long.

01:40:59.580 It's very weird.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 28, 2025

Epstein Files Debacle, and Trump Spars with Zelensky in Oval Office, with Emily Jashinsky and Red Scare Hosts ｜ Ep. 1016

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