The Megyn Kelly Show - Eric Bolling on Rush Limbaugh's Legacy, The Lincoln Project's Demise and his Crusade to Honor His Son

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00:00:30.620 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:32.520 Your home for open, honest, and provocative conversations.

00:00:42.160 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:00:43.800 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:45.280 Today on the program, we've got Eric Bolling.

00:00:48.140 A great friend, a great guy,

00:00:50.920 and somebody who's been through a ton,

00:00:53.360 personally, professionally,

00:00:54.760 and has a lot of insight to share,

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00:01:10.640 But Eric is somebody who has been very successful in his life.

00:01:14.500 He came from nothing.

00:01:15.660 I mean, he had no advantages starting out,

00:01:17.980 other than a loving family,

00:01:19.160 which is big,

00:01:19.820 but no financial advantages.

00:01:21.100 And is self-made entirely.

00:01:23.920 Kicked ass on Wall Street,

00:01:25.160 got a job at CNBC,

00:01:26.360 then came over to Fox,

00:01:27.880 and then suffered a terrible,

00:01:30.600 terrible personal tragedy.

00:01:33.020 The very day he left Fox News,

00:01:34.920 when his 19-year-old son died

00:01:36.780 of an accidental overdose.

00:01:39.800 And we'll get into the reporting on it,

00:01:43.080 what actually happened,

00:01:44.760 and how Eric and his beautiful wife,

00:01:47.500 Adrienne,

00:01:47.900 have tried to move on thereafter.

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00:02:04.600 Why is it Favre?

00:02:05.720 Why is the F where it is?

00:02:08.220 Anyway,

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00:02:12.880 We'll talk about Rush Limbaugh,

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00:03:53.800 Eric Bolling,

00:03:55.160 how are you?

00:03:56.620 Megan, I'm doing well.

00:03:57.740 How are you?

00:03:58.420 It's just great to be back

00:04:00.060 in your podcast.

00:04:00.880 Congratulations.

00:04:01.620 Doing terrific.

00:04:02.580 Thank you very much.

00:04:03.500 And I want to get to

00:04:04.220 what's happening

00:04:04.720 with your podcast, too,

00:04:06.400 with Brett Favre.

00:04:11.900 Favre.

00:04:12.700 I know, it's so good.

00:04:14.220 Is it French?

00:04:15.260 I mean, is that a French last name?

00:04:16.900 Yeah, it is.

00:04:17.480 Okay.

00:04:17.780 It is.

00:04:18.380 His mother and father

00:04:20.100 have both French origins,

00:04:21.920 but I call him

00:04:23.840 Hall of Fame quarterback

00:04:24.940 Brett Favre.

00:04:25.940 Right.

00:04:26.400 That'll do it.

00:04:27.360 With respect.

00:04:28.620 Now, speaking of Hall of Famers,

00:04:31.080 Rush Limbaugh died this week,

00:04:33.040 and he, you know,

00:04:35.160 it wasn't unexpected.

00:04:36.620 He was 70 and he had lung cancer

00:04:38.680 and he had been pretty open

00:04:40.280 about how things had been going

00:04:42.180 and, you know,

00:04:42.840 lung cancer is just not a good diagnosis.

00:04:45.200 But I wanted to get your take on it

00:04:46.620 because I knew him personally.

00:04:48.360 I was at his wedding to Catherine,

00:04:50.480 Doug and I were,

00:04:51.540 and I know what people think of Rush

00:04:53.740 who are not on the right, right?

00:04:55.440 People who are on the left

00:04:56.440 can't stand the guy.

00:04:57.440 But what I knew of Rush Limbaugh

00:05:00.180 was incredibly magnanimous,

00:05:02.780 kind, larger than life,

00:05:05.620 caring, lovely friend.

00:05:08.660 And I'm feeling so sad this week

00:05:10.900 that he's gone,

00:05:12.100 that we've lost him as a man,

00:05:13.340 that we've lost him as a broadcaster.

00:05:15.520 And I'm also kind of pissed off

00:05:18.620 about the messaging

00:05:20.440 that, you know,

00:05:21.620 so-called straight bios

00:05:23.580 in papers like the New York Times

00:05:25.700 are putting out there about him.

00:05:27.840 You know, they can't even keep it straight

00:05:30.020 in writing up the man's death.

00:05:32.780 They have to go after him.

00:05:34.380 So let's just start

00:05:35.520 with your impressions of Rush

00:05:37.500 and your thoughts

00:05:38.180 on his impact on media.

00:05:40.080 We've come to a point in America

00:05:41.460 where our media is so bifurcated.

00:05:43.400 It's literally trench warfare.

00:05:45.220 Every topic is a war.

00:05:47.680 Is a mass good?

00:05:48.680 Is it bad?

00:05:49.320 You're evil if you say

00:05:50.340 it's one way or the other.

00:05:51.660 All the way down to someone

00:05:53.760 who is really beloved on one side,

00:05:56.940 he passes and immediately,

00:05:58.780 I mean, it wasn't even within minutes

00:06:01.200 where there were headlines

00:06:02.460 calling him a racist,

00:06:03.760 the misogynist, the homophobic

00:06:05.340 from comments he made in the past.

00:06:07.240 I mean, cancel culture went at it.

00:06:09.940 They canceled.

00:06:10.680 They couldn't cancel him in his life.

00:06:12.540 They're trying to cancel him in his death.

00:06:15.140 That is not to say

00:06:16.400 I defend some of the things he said.

00:06:18.580 I don't.

00:06:19.060 I don't think any one of us do.

00:06:20.200 But we will at least acknowledge

00:06:22.000 that he was a pioneer.

00:06:24.180 He was a larger than life personality.

00:06:26.800 And those two things alone

00:06:28.460 should at least be acknowledged.

00:06:31.120 It would like him, hate him.

00:06:32.440 He was a massive, massive voice

00:06:35.920 and literally a voice

00:06:37.160 in conservative media.

00:06:40.660 He, I met Rush many, many times

00:06:43.700 when I was at Fox News.

00:06:45.040 And honestly, one of the,

00:06:47.100 one of the things I didn't like

00:06:48.760 that was going on,

00:06:49.640 it was some great tributes on Fox News.

00:06:51.960 The other channels just ran a banner

00:06:54.440 along the bottom,

00:06:55.320 didn't really talk about it.

00:06:56.460 If they did, they talk about it,

00:06:57.980 talked about it briefly.

00:06:59.160 But my problem with Fox

00:07:00.660 is that Rush was a big part of Fox.

00:07:03.820 Rush was, Rush was very close

00:07:06.780 to Roger Ailes.

00:07:08.000 Now I didn't see one picture

00:07:10.020 during hours of coverage on Fox News.

00:07:13.860 I didn't see one of those pictures.

00:07:15.700 I saw pictures with Rush

00:07:16.780 and Sean Hannity,

00:07:18.000 who's my dear friend.

00:07:19.720 I saw pictures with Rush

00:07:20.740 and Levin.

00:07:21.240 I saw pictures with Rush

00:07:22.280 and just about everyone

00:07:23.300 you can think of

00:07:23.940 in conservative on the right,

00:07:25.640 but never once with Roger Ailes.

00:07:27.420 And they were Matt.

00:07:28.020 They were, they were best friends.

00:07:29.540 They were, they would bounce

00:07:32.220 stuff off each other.

00:07:33.160 I would say Rush was instrumental

00:07:34.940 in, in creating Fox News

00:07:37.280 through Roger Ailes.

00:07:38.500 Another, Roger was the creator

00:07:39.860 with Rupert.

00:07:41.020 But Rush had a massive influence

00:07:43.060 on Roger.

00:07:43.700 And, and it was just sad

00:07:44.740 not to see Roger that immediately.

00:07:46.640 By the way, I know there are issues

00:07:49.540 with Roger.

00:07:50.220 I just, I just think we have

00:07:51.580 to acknowledge, report the news,

00:07:54.300 report what it really was.

00:07:55.820 And, and Rush was a big voice

00:07:57.900 in conservative radio.

00:07:59.120 He influenced Sean Hannity

00:08:00.520 and Mark Levin.

00:08:01.520 You know, they, they credit

00:08:02.660 their careers to their relationship

00:08:05.040 and they're, and they're following

00:08:06.340 the path that Rush, uh,

00:08:08.680 kind of blazed that trail

00:08:10.200 through, through, uh, some,

00:08:11.560 some treacherous, some treacherous

00:08:13.220 media.

00:08:14.100 Well, look, I mean, the, the,

00:08:15.420 the Roger Ailes thing, you know,

00:08:17.380 obviously I've got some feelings

00:08:18.780 on that, but the fact that the man

00:08:20.860 had a serious character defect,

00:08:25.160 I guess would be the kindest way

00:08:26.780 of summing it up.

00:08:28.260 Doesn't mean we erase his whole legacy.

00:08:30.940 His pictures can no longer be shown.

00:08:32.620 His place in American society

00:08:34.020 must be ignored, you know, blacklisted

00:08:37.320 that, that that's just silly.

00:08:39.040 And his relationship with Rush

00:08:40.440 was really close.

00:08:42.140 That's how I got to know

00:08:42.960 Rush through Roger.

00:08:43.980 But I was just thinking like,

00:08:45.640 as they went to all the nasty places

00:08:47.600 in any other circumstance,

00:08:49.240 you'd be talking about how this is

00:08:50.940 the guy who created talk radio.

00:08:53.220 Like there, you wouldn't even know

00:08:54.880 who Sean Hannity is.

00:08:55.960 If it hadn't been for Rush Limbaugh,

00:08:57.440 he created a lane that didn't exist.

00:09:01.020 You know, he started off,

00:09:02.460 he was from, he was from Cape Girardeau, Missouri,

00:09:05.560 born in 1951, just for people

00:09:07.240 who don't know anything about him.

00:09:08.720 He started off as like, you know,

00:09:11.380 a little sort of gopher helper

00:09:12.680 in some local radio station,

00:09:15.520 and then found his way out of there

00:09:18.520 to, to report something he called

00:09:20.120 barn news at a, at a,

00:09:22.240 another small station.

00:09:23.560 He found a way to make that fun

00:09:25.440 and then wound up getting

00:09:27.660 a syndicated show,

00:09:29.180 uh, 56 radio stations at first,

00:09:31.080 and it grew to be the most successful,

00:09:33.260 most listened to radio show

00:09:34.360 in the world.

00:09:35.440 600 plus stations,

00:09:36.640 27 million people tuned in

00:09:39.280 to hear what Rush Limbaugh

00:09:40.260 had to say on a weekly basis.

00:09:41.860 27 million, you know,

00:09:43.900 Tucker, our friend,

00:09:45.460 he's pulling in, you know,

00:09:46.960 on a good night for,

00:09:48.400 on a great night,

00:09:49.620 six or seven million people a night.

00:09:51.660 27 million people.

00:09:53.740 I mean, it's just huge.

00:09:54.740 His influence at Radio Hall of Fame,

00:09:57.480 National Association of Broadcasters

00:09:58.720 Hall of Fame,

00:09:59.360 number one,

00:09:59.700 New York times bestseller,

00:10:00.720 10 most fascinating with Barbara Walters,

00:10:02.240 all this stuff,

00:10:02.940 tons of charitable work

00:10:04.040 raised over $50 million

00:10:05.400 for leukemia and lymphoma research.

00:10:08.700 I could go on tons

00:10:10.300 of military support,

00:10:11.180 by the way.

00:10:12.180 And I get,

00:10:13.160 he said controversial things.

00:10:14.520 He's in the business of talk radio.

00:10:16.880 Go find me somebody

00:10:18.180 who's in the business of talk radio,

00:10:19.760 who hasn't said controversial things.

00:10:22.320 Rush was a controversial figure,

00:10:23.760 but I don't think he deserved

00:10:26.420 the headlines I'm reading today.

00:10:29.180 Like,

00:10:30.180 I'll give you a couple.

00:10:31.740 New York Magazine,

00:10:32.860 Rush Limbaugh taught Republicans

00:10:34.140 to love an angry racist bully.

00:10:37.040 Okay,

00:10:37.220 because of course,

00:10:37.820 Republicans have to get swept up in it too.

00:10:40.040 New Republic,

00:10:41.300 Rush Limbaugh made America worse.

00:10:43.320 The racist,

00:10:43.880 sexist radio host

00:10:44.580 played a pivotal role

00:10:45.440 in injecting cruelty

00:10:46.320 and conspiracy

00:10:47.040 into conservative mass media.

00:10:49.160 Rolling Stone,

00:10:50.020 Rush Limbaugh did his best

00:10:51.180 to ruin America.

00:10:52.740 New York Times,

00:10:54.400 Rush Limbaugh's legacy of venom,

00:10:56.720 weaponizing conspiracy theories

00:10:58.140 and bigotry

00:10:58.780 long before Trump's assent,

00:11:00.140 the radio giant helped usher

00:11:01.400 in the political style

00:11:02.140 that came to dominate

00:11:02.920 the Republican Party again.

00:11:05.000 This is how

00:11:05.760 they see

00:11:07.180 not just Rush Limbaugh, Eric,

00:11:09.000 but Republicans.

00:11:10.560 And there's no accident

00:11:12.100 they tried to tie,

00:11:13.200 you know,

00:11:14.060 him and his most,

00:11:15.060 sort of his worst moments

00:11:16.460 to an entire half

00:11:18.160 of the country.

00:11:19.760 I think we're bound

00:11:20.460 by the words we speak,

00:11:22.340 Megan.

00:11:22.560 You and I have been on

00:11:23.420 various forms of media

00:11:24.940 for many, many years,

00:11:26.180 decades,

00:11:26.760 and we're held

00:11:28.160 to some of the things,

00:11:29.840 all the things,

00:11:30.520 I guess we've said,

00:11:31.300 unless there's some sort of change,

00:11:33.240 you know,

00:11:33.680 that we decide to make

00:11:34.780 or want to make,

00:11:36.260 have remorse.

00:11:37.780 My issue is Rush,

00:11:39.060 Rush was that.

00:11:40.120 He was a provocateur.

00:11:41.580 He was paid very well,

00:11:43.240 by the way,

00:11:43.960 to be that,

00:11:44.660 to be the provocateur,

00:11:45.640 to say the,

00:11:46.080 he never claimed

00:11:47.120 to be a journalist.

00:11:48.460 He always said he was,

00:11:49.520 he was in the infotainment business,

00:11:51.680 so a little bit of information

00:11:52.960 and a lot of entertainment.

00:11:54.040 I think that's what he was.

00:11:55.540 But the,

00:11:55.940 the left

00:11:57.220 is trying to paint him

00:11:59.660 as some sort of,

00:12:01.200 that's all people

00:12:02.540 on the right

00:12:03.780 are like Rush.

00:12:04.620 If you,

00:12:05.100 if you

00:12:05.620 accept Rush

00:12:07.960 as a,

00:12:08.500 as an entity,

00:12:09.540 you automatically,

00:12:10.220 you believe everything

00:12:11.200 he says,

00:12:11.640 and you,

00:12:12.000 you,

00:12:12.820 you agree with everything

00:12:14.320 he says,

00:12:14.640 and you're in that same world.

00:12:15.800 I don't believe in that.

00:12:17.200 I think there are a lot of people

00:12:18.340 who I like,

00:12:19.840 who I don't agree with,

00:12:21.760 but I like to listen to.

00:12:22.900 I,

00:12:23.320 guess what?

00:12:24.460 I listen to CNN

00:12:26.540 all day long,

00:12:27.420 and then I turn on

00:12:28.740 MSNBC

00:12:29.840 during primetime.

00:12:30.800 I don't listen to Fox anymore

00:12:31.920 for obvious reasons.

00:12:32.800 I just don't like them anymore,

00:12:34.000 but,

00:12:34.320 but I,

00:12:35.120 but it doesn't mean I agree with them.

00:12:36.260 I'm entertained by them.

00:12:37.540 I listen to what they have to say.

00:12:39.060 Let me give you another example.

00:12:40.180 Okay,

00:12:40.540 let's take Bill Maher,

00:12:41.880 who I like,

00:12:42.520 and on whose show I'm going soon,

00:12:43.840 and I've been on it before.

00:12:44.820 I have mixed feelings about him,

00:12:46.500 right?

00:12:46.620 Because sometimes he says things

00:12:47.580 that drive me insane,

00:12:48.520 but sometimes he says things

00:12:50.440 that I love,

00:12:51.180 but overall,

00:12:52.060 I find him entertaining,

00:12:52.960 and he,

00:12:54.960 Bill Maher has referred to women

00:12:56.600 by the C word publicly,

00:12:58.180 like,

00:12:58.700 well-known women

00:12:59.260 as the C word.

00:13:00.220 Now,

00:13:00.640 you could put that in his,

00:13:02.040 in his obit.

00:13:03.780 You could call him

00:13:05.440 a misogynist,

00:13:06.480 whatever you,

00:13:06.980 however you want to do it,

00:13:07.880 if you really wanted

00:13:08.660 to go after him.

00:13:09.840 I don't think that's okay.

00:13:11.220 I don't think that's going to be

00:13:12.720 the guy's legacy,

00:13:13.900 and I don't think that's

00:13:14.700 Rush's legacy either,

00:13:15.900 and I do think

00:13:16.500 professional talkers,

00:13:18.260 professional opinion makers,

00:13:19.440 like those two guys,

00:13:21.000 who are successful,

00:13:22.380 are never going to stay

00:13:23.400 between the rails at all time,

00:13:25.400 and I,

00:13:26.080 I'll bet you dollars to donuts

00:13:28.160 when they,

00:13:28.620 when they write up,

00:13:29.540 may it be many,

00:13:30.240 many years from now,

00:13:31.460 the obit for somebody

00:13:32.220 like Bill Maher,

00:13:32.940 who's more of the left,

00:13:34.380 they're going to be a lot

00:13:35.220 more generous

00:13:36.220 than they were to Rush.

00:13:39.100 So,

00:13:39.720 years ago at Fox,

00:13:41.040 and again,

00:13:41.680 I was a provocateur at Fox,

00:13:43.020 I'll be honest with you,

00:13:43.860 that was,

00:13:44.520 I would drop lines

00:13:46.200 that were,

00:13:46.680 I knew were going

00:13:47.160 to get attention,

00:13:47.940 and one time,

00:13:48.600 I dropped a line

00:13:49.180 about Bill Maher,

00:13:50.140 he had sent something

00:13:51.100 misogynistic,

00:13:52.500 and I was,

00:13:53.180 and there was this whole

00:13:54.020 right versus left,

00:13:54.960 and he's perceived as left,

00:13:56.240 and we were on the right,

00:13:57.500 or I was on the right,

00:13:58.320 and I called him something,

00:13:59.740 I said,

00:14:00.340 oh,

00:14:00.820 he's such a pig

00:14:01.380 for saying that,

00:14:02.100 right?

00:14:02.920 It got written up,

00:14:04.020 it went everywhere.

00:14:05.740 This is 10 years ago,

00:14:07.380 maybe 12 years ago,

00:14:08.840 Megan,

00:14:09.380 it was on the five,

00:14:10.820 and recently,

00:14:12.300 we reached out

00:14:13.280 to Bill Maher,

00:14:14.460 you know,

00:14:14.940 I was being booked

00:14:15.760 on all these different shows,

00:14:17.140 and my people reached out

00:14:18.480 to Bill Maher,

00:14:18.960 like,

00:14:19.140 yeah,

00:14:19.220 he wants to have you on,

00:14:20.540 but the booker

00:14:21.420 wouldn't even put it through,

00:14:22.460 because she remembered

00:14:23.480 from 12 years ago,

00:14:24.660 I said he was a pig

00:14:25.760 for saying,

00:14:26.500 it may have been

00:14:27.440 what you just said,

00:14:28.320 calling women a C word,

00:14:29.920 and it's,

00:14:31.780 and I just thought,

00:14:32.440 like,

00:14:32.580 wow,

00:14:33.300 is there no way

00:14:34.720 to,

00:14:36.360 I don't know,

00:14:36.980 get out,

00:14:37.600 do we,

00:14:38.280 are we going to be held

00:14:39.380 by every single comment

00:14:40.740 we've ever made

00:14:41.540 for the rest of our lives,

00:14:43.020 even if now,

00:14:44.220 10,

00:14:44.520 12 years later,

00:14:45.580 I can,

00:14:46.020 I could sit across the table

00:14:47.380 with you,

00:14:48.300 Megan,

00:14:48.500 or with Bill,

00:14:49.220 or whomever,

00:14:50.140 and have a respectful conversation

00:14:52.400 about what's going on

00:14:53.720 in the world of politics,

00:14:54.620 or what is Joe Biden doing

00:14:56.280 that Trump didn't do,

00:14:57.300 or Trump doing now,

00:14:58.680 or what's his next step,

00:14:59.860 but I'm,

00:15:00.480 I'm still,

00:15:01.120 I'm still not going to get booked

00:15:02.640 on Bill Maher

00:15:03.380 over a comment

00:15:04.220 from 12 years ago

00:15:05.140 that,

00:15:05.720 frankly,

00:15:07.060 you know what,

00:15:07.680 I've been called

00:15:08.300 a thousand times worse

00:15:10.000 than I still have

00:15:10.860 a conversation with someone.

00:15:11.880 That cannot be him.

00:15:13.480 You can't be in our business

00:15:15.560 and hold grudges.

00:15:17.860 You just,

00:15:18.160 there's too many people

00:15:19.060 taking shots at you

00:15:20.060 on too frequent a basis

00:15:21.680 to hold grudges.

00:15:23.260 You'd never,

00:15:24.420 you know,

00:15:24.700 you'd never be able

00:15:26.400 to move forward

00:15:27.120 and have any relationships

00:15:28.280 whatsoever.

00:15:29.080 So,

00:15:29.560 all right,

00:15:29.760 I'm going to mention it

00:15:30.400 when I go out there.

00:15:31.080 I'm going to say,

00:15:31.460 you got to have Eric Bolling on

00:15:32.340 because some bookers

00:15:33.120 mad at him on your behalf.

00:15:35.040 Thank you.

00:15:36.160 I hope so.

00:15:37.520 All right.

00:15:37.720 Now,

00:15:37.900 speaking of unforgiving people,

00:15:40.780 can we talk about

00:15:41.560 the Lincoln Project

00:15:42.260 and their total implosion?

00:15:45.760 Now,

00:15:45.960 probably most people

00:15:46.940 listening to this show

00:15:47.580 know what this group is,

00:15:48.560 but just for those who don't,

00:15:50.460 it was this group

00:15:51.180 of basically political operatives,

00:15:54.100 never Trumpers,

00:15:54.820 who got together

00:15:55.580 and using the name

00:15:57.840 of our 16th president,

00:15:59.240 wrapping themselves

00:16:00.000 in sort of this,

00:16:00.820 this cloak

00:16:01.860 of indignant behavior

00:16:04.640 in response

00:16:05.280 to everything

00:16:05.780 Trump did and said,

00:16:07.900 started casting aspersions

00:16:09.400 on him

00:16:09.740 and all of his followers.

00:16:10.640 Well,

00:16:10.760 now,

00:16:11.420 it turns out

00:16:12.260 not only have they

00:16:14.320 been linked

00:16:15.580 to one of their founders,

00:16:17.460 John Weaver,

00:16:18.140 who is alleged

00:16:19.040 to have sexually harassed

00:16:20.760 over a dozen young men,

00:16:22.480 including two now minors

00:16:23.840 who have come forward

00:16:24.840 with allegations against him.

00:16:26.480 Now,

00:16:26.560 so not only

00:16:27.040 does it come out

00:16:27.660 that they allegedly

00:16:28.220 knew about this

00:16:28.880 long before

00:16:30.640 they admitted they did.

00:16:32.460 In fact,

00:16:32.660 the reports put it

00:16:33.360 back in March,

00:16:34.380 whereas they said

00:16:34.940 it was just last month,

00:16:36.180 January.

00:16:37.360 But it comes out

00:16:38.660 that they've raised

00:16:39.260 some 90 million bucks

00:16:40.400 from people who wanted

00:16:41.080 to see mean ads

00:16:42.280 about Trump,

00:16:43.040 which,

00:16:43.320 by the way,

00:16:43.860 the analysis show

00:16:45.120 did nothing.

00:16:46.280 They didn't even run

00:16:47.180 them in swing states.

00:16:47.980 It was basically

00:16:48.480 just feel good porn

00:16:49.560 for people who hated Trump.

00:16:51.480 So they raised 90 million bucks,

00:16:53.020 but most of it,

00:16:53.740 according to reports,

00:16:54.440 went into the pockets

00:16:56.100 of firms controlled

00:16:57.520 by the Lincoln Project founders

00:17:00.520 who basically got rich

00:17:02.380 off of people's hatred

00:17:03.800 for Trump.

00:17:04.920 While,

00:17:05.740 Eric,

00:17:06.100 while they were out there

00:17:07.940 preaching louder

00:17:09.320 than anyone

00:17:10.260 about how horrible

00:17:12.160 Trump supporters are,

00:17:13.720 how they needed

00:17:14.560 to be humiliated,

00:17:16.280 they should never

00:17:16.920 be forgiven,

00:17:18.180 and on and on it went.

00:17:19.680 So what's your take?

00:17:20.760 So here is my,

00:17:21.900 and I watched this

00:17:23.160 and they were so venomous

00:17:25.140 and they were just mean

00:17:26.420 and they were just,

00:17:27.540 they would go after,

00:17:28.400 sometimes even bridging,

00:17:30.820 you know,

00:17:31.100 crossing the line

00:17:31.980 into family members

00:17:33.460 and it would,

00:17:34.140 it got scary

00:17:34.820 and the real

00:17:35.740 kind of quirky part

00:17:37.480 of it is George Conway,

00:17:39.100 which is Kellyanne Conway's

00:17:40.520 husband,

00:17:40.960 was one of the founding members

00:17:42.400 of the Lincoln Project.

00:17:44.520 Also,

00:17:45.160 Steve Schmidt,

00:17:46.440 who used to work

00:17:47.000 for the McCains

00:17:47.780 and some other Republicans,

00:17:50.840 by the way,

00:17:51.240 Meghan McCain

00:17:52.120 on Steve Schmidt,

00:17:53.520 who was one of the founders

00:17:54.360 of Lincoln Project,

00:17:55.240 said none of the McCains

00:17:57.140 would spit on Steve Schmidt

00:17:58.460 if he were on fire.

00:17:59.900 So they don't,

00:18:01.020 they didn't have a lot

00:18:02.000 of love going around

00:18:03.420 on the right,

00:18:04.520 meanwhile,

00:18:04.960 they all come from

00:18:05.720 sort of this right place.

00:18:07.260 So I don't begrudge

00:18:08.860 anyone for being provocative

00:18:10.240 and trying to do things

00:18:12.100 and they're very successful

00:18:13.580 with what they did

00:18:14.600 in a very short period

00:18:15.380 of time.

00:18:15.760 They raised a lot of money.

00:18:16.580 $90 million

00:18:17.080 is a lot of money.

00:18:18.360 My problem is now

00:18:20.700 that now that they know,

00:18:22.080 now that we know

00:18:23.040 that they understood

00:18:24.140 that this Weaver guy

00:18:25.460 had had all the sexual

00:18:26.940 harassment issues,

00:18:27.780 they knew about it

00:18:28.880 almost a year ago

00:18:30.240 yet continued

00:18:31.360 to proceed

00:18:32.520 and raise money

00:18:33.420 from donors.

00:18:34.720 And they didn't oust him.

00:18:36.700 They kept him on board.

00:18:38.380 They didn't out him,

00:18:40.160 number one,

00:18:40.760 and oust him.

00:18:41.580 So they were afraid

00:18:42.780 of being canceled.

00:18:43.980 They were trying

00:18:45.180 to cancel the president

00:18:46.180 and anyone close

00:18:47.500 to the president.

00:18:48.400 I remember at one point

00:18:49.140 they said,

00:18:49.720 if you work for the president,

00:18:50.840 you shouldn't be hired either.

00:18:52.200 So anyone,

00:18:53.020 so they were,

00:18:54.080 they were almost

00:18:55.440 a mouthpiece

00:18:56.060 for the cancel culture movement,

00:18:57.780 yet they were

00:18:58.900 sanctimoniously quiet

00:19:01.580 about what was going on

00:19:03.140 within their own ranks

00:19:04.020 so they wouldn't get

00:19:04.880 canceled themselves.

00:19:06.280 The hypocrisy is stunning.

00:19:08.440 It may not get

00:19:09.420 any bigger than that.

00:19:10.560 Now,

00:19:11.300 let's be fair

00:19:12.640 for a second, Megan.

00:19:13.920 Do not forgive Weaver.

00:19:15.040 What he did is disgusting

00:19:16.620 and needs to go to jail

00:19:17.660 for what he did

00:19:18.320 if it's true,

00:19:19.080 if the allegations are true.

00:19:20.420 The rest of them,

00:19:21.860 I think they can make amends

00:19:23.580 and we should forgive them

00:19:24.760 on the right

00:19:25.340 as long as they return

00:19:26.920 the money

00:19:27.340 that they were given

00:19:28.400 because they were given

00:19:29.180 money likely

00:19:30.020 under false pretenses.

00:19:31.380 We can't do anything

00:19:32.160 about the Trump presidency

00:19:33.540 that's done

00:19:34.480 in the books,

00:19:36.720 but they should return

00:19:38.220 the money.

00:19:38.740 They should give them

00:19:39.220 the money back

00:19:39.720 to the donors

00:19:40.260 and you know what?

00:19:41.260 Try again, guys.

00:19:42.240 I mean, look,

00:19:43.320 does it sound like me?

00:19:44.540 I think we need

00:19:45.860 to be more forgiving

00:19:46.560 as a society

00:19:47.880 and as media,

00:19:49.140 but I don't want

00:19:50.080 to see Steve Schmidt

00:19:51.000 or George Conway

00:19:52.500 or Rick Wilson.

00:19:54.720 Rick Wilson.

00:19:55.640 Those are the founders.

00:19:56.900 I really don't want

00:19:57.900 to see them telling me

00:19:59.200 what's right

00:20:00.560 or what's wrong anymore.

00:20:01.480 Well, that's

00:20:02.160 what's crazy about it, right?

00:20:03.480 So if the reports are true,

00:20:05.220 we've had a report

00:20:05.880 from the Associated Press

00:20:07.160 and from some other publications

00:20:08.660 detailing some

00:20:10.060 of these allegations,

00:20:11.700 then it was brought

00:20:12.780 to their attention

00:20:13.400 almost a year ago

00:20:14.460 that they had

00:20:14.940 a sexual predator,

00:20:16.000 an alleged sexual predator

00:20:17.020 working for them.

00:20:17.840 And John Weaver

00:20:18.400 is not denying this.

00:20:19.780 John Weaver's only statement

00:20:20.840 thus far has been

00:20:21.880 an apology

00:20:22.620 for the pain

00:20:24.360 he's wrought.

00:20:26.160 I don't know

00:20:26.960 about specific

00:20:27.840 allegation to allegation,

00:20:29.100 but he's owned up

00:20:30.100 to sexually harassing

00:20:31.100 young men

00:20:31.600 and we'll see

00:20:32.540 what happens

00:20:32.960 with the two minors.

00:20:35.220 But anyway,

00:20:35.960 the point is

00:20:36.640 if they knew

00:20:37.620 a year ago

00:20:38.300 that they had

00:20:38.940 a sexual predator

00:20:39.640 in their midst

00:20:40.160 and didn't do

00:20:40.560 anything about it

00:20:41.340 and then to spend

00:20:43.600 the entire fall

00:20:44.660 with their moral righteousness,

00:20:47.800 I mean,

00:20:48.000 and I just pulled up

00:20:48.640 a couple of them

00:20:49.180 because it's really

00:20:51.120 over the top

00:20:51.900 what they were saying

00:20:52.780 about,

00:20:53.180 of course,

00:20:53.600 it's all Trump supporters,

00:20:54.640 right?

00:20:54.760 It's not just Trump.

00:20:55.880 It's all supporters.

00:20:57.100 They're the ones

00:20:58.020 who were,

00:20:58.540 and I quote,

00:20:59.100 building a database

00:20:59.940 of Trump officials

00:21:00.940 and staff saying,

00:21:02.640 quote,

00:21:02.980 they will be held

00:21:03.700 accountable

00:21:04.180 and not allowed

00:21:05.200 to pretend

00:21:05.560 they were not involved.

00:21:06.700 Here's my old pal

00:21:07.420 Tom Nichols.

00:21:08.460 This guy threatened me.

00:21:10.380 Because I said

00:21:11.660 the media should

00:21:12.380 take a hard look

00:21:13.160 at what it did

00:21:14.220 to create the distrust

00:21:15.480 in the people

00:21:16.680 who stormed the Capitol

00:21:17.960 on January 6th,

00:21:19.100 that it really needed

00:21:20.340 to do some self-reflection

00:21:21.500 on how those people

00:21:23.360 didn't trust them

00:21:24.080 and were getting

00:21:24.520 their information

00:21:25.240 from unreliable sources,

00:21:26.680 right?

00:21:27.240 That's all I said.

00:21:28.100 And he threatened me,

00:21:29.000 saying he's going

00:21:29.700 to hold this

00:21:30.160 and use it against me.

00:21:31.240 This guy,

00:21:31.900 he's part of the Lincoln Project.

00:21:33.400 Oh, Tom.

00:21:34.380 Oh, Tom.

00:21:35.900 All right,

00:21:36.260 so this guy tweets out,

00:21:37.640 or it was an article,

00:21:39.620 I think,

00:21:39.840 on January 21st,

00:21:41.060 saying,

00:21:42.400 to hell

00:21:42.940 with moral charlatanism

00:21:44.920 by the Trump supporters.

00:21:46.620 This is a time

00:21:47.980 for moral clarity.

00:21:50.300 Hey, Tom,

00:21:51.100 take a look

00:21:51.580 at your own organization.

00:21:53.160 Then he goes on

00:21:53.700 to say,

00:21:53.940 Trump supporters

00:21:54.580 need to come to terms

00:21:55.480 with what they've done

00:21:56.640 and with what they've

00:21:58.060 allowed to happen.

00:21:59.500 Oh, Tom,

00:22:00.280 you might want to check

00:22:01.260 your own internal

00:22:02.080 problems

00:22:03.160 and come to terms

00:22:04.760 with what you've

00:22:05.900 allowed to happen.

00:22:06.960 That guy,

00:22:07.320 Rick Wilson?

00:22:08.640 Bless your hearts,

00:22:09.540 GOP.

00:22:10.320 You're not getting out

00:22:11.120 of this with the old

00:22:11.760 run for the tall grass

00:22:12.700 strategy.

00:22:13.280 In the time

00:22:13.780 before social media,

00:22:15.000 you might have slunk

00:22:16.180 into some dark corner

00:22:17.280 for a year or so.

00:22:18.700 But we live in a world

00:22:19.860 where the internet

00:22:20.760 is forever.

00:22:22.420 Yes, it is, Rick.

00:22:23.460 It absolutely is.

00:22:24.600 I'm sure you're learning

00:22:25.280 that firsthand now.

00:22:26.360 Then he goes on to say,

00:22:27.800 this is after Trump's defeat.

00:22:29.740 It's not enough

00:22:30.940 merely to enjoy

00:22:32.420 their agony

00:22:33.180 and humiliation.

00:22:35.000 It's not enough

00:22:35.720 to hope they'll be shamed

00:22:37.000 and correct their behavior.

00:22:38.740 Have you not met

00:22:39.600 these people?

00:22:40.940 That's the same guy

00:22:41.680 who called Trump's audience

00:22:43.020 credulous boom rubes

00:22:45.060 in that infuriating segment

00:22:46.980 with Don Lemon

00:22:47.620 where they were all laughing

00:22:48.700 at Trump supporters

00:22:49.420 like a bunch of hicks.

00:22:50.760 I'm sorry.

00:22:51.540 I'll give you one more.

00:22:52.520 Steve Schmidt,

00:22:53.120 he was the head

00:22:53.580 of the whole thing

00:22:54.280 and he was forced

00:22:55.140 to resign this past Friday.

00:22:56.880 This is a quote from him.

00:22:57.760 All of Trump supporters

00:22:58.880 quote are complicit.

00:23:00.620 None of them

00:23:01.220 should ever be forgiven

00:23:03.000 and all of them

00:23:04.300 should pay a brutal price.

00:23:07.140 This is what's,

00:23:07.840 this is the danger

00:23:08.520 of being such a moral preener,

00:23:10.880 such a universal judger

00:23:12.740 of everyone

00:23:13.620 when of course

00:23:14.660 you have deep sins

00:23:16.100 in your own closet

00:23:17.420 you're trying to hide.

00:23:19.640 Steve Schmidt,

00:23:20.220 I mean,

00:23:20.520 he was also allegedly

00:23:22.340 accused of,

00:23:23.680 of somehow hacking

00:23:25.040 into a female's DM

00:23:27.280 direct messaging

00:23:28.940 on whatever venue

00:23:31.880 they were using

00:23:32.600 and leaking that,

00:23:34.560 publishing it,

00:23:35.240 making her look really bad.

00:23:36.540 And I mean,

00:23:37.260 there,

00:23:37.600 there are a lot of

00:23:38.480 violations

00:23:39.340 of people's privacy,

00:23:40.760 of people's

00:23:42.020 donations even.

00:23:44.620 They,

00:23:45.120 if,

00:23:45.400 if we hold them

00:23:46.440 to the standard

00:23:47.080 that they want to hold

00:23:48.200 Trump,

00:23:49.640 people who work for Trump

00:23:50.720 and Trump supporters,

00:23:51.800 even down to Trump supporters,

00:23:53.200 you're,

00:23:53.460 you're,

00:23:53.760 equally as bad

00:23:55.540 in their eyes

00:23:56.260 as,

00:23:56.540 as,

00:23:57.160 as the man himself

00:23:58.360 if you just support him.

00:23:59.620 And,

00:23:59.800 and I have some issues

00:24:00.860 with that too,

00:24:01.600 with Don Lemon,

00:24:02.380 in fact,

00:24:03.020 calling everyone a racist

00:24:04.000 if he voted for Trump,

00:24:05.120 having nothing to do with,

00:24:06.620 you know,

00:24:07.000 wanting to be like me,

00:24:08.560 looking for smaller government,

00:24:10.040 looking for a conservative

00:24:11.120 Supreme Court,

00:24:12.720 trying to get out of,

00:24:14.680 trying to get out of foreign wars.

00:24:15.980 I'm somehow racist

00:24:16.860 because I don't like foreign wars.

00:24:18.460 Now,

00:24:18.800 I would vote for the guy

00:24:19.860 for that reason.

00:24:20.440 Um,

00:24:21.500 so they,

00:24:22.220 they kind of paint everyone

00:24:23.800 with the same

00:24:24.440 and they want to,

00:24:25.620 I guess,

00:24:26.800 penalize and punish

00:24:27.900 everyone equally

00:24:29.620 on,

00:24:30.080 on the right.

00:24:31.000 Well,

00:24:31.800 now it's time.

00:24:32.840 Now it's time for them to,

00:24:33.940 to,

00:24:34.600 I'm,

00:24:35.000 I'm in favor of them

00:24:35.980 just saying,

00:24:36.520 I'm sorry,

00:24:37.020 we were wrong.

00:24:37.700 We screwed up.

00:24:38.800 We made mistakes

00:24:39.900 and guess what?

00:24:41.560 Hold me accountable.

00:24:42.460 I'll stay off media

00:24:43.480 for a while,

00:24:44.160 but

00:24:44.520 move on

00:24:46.880 down the road.

00:24:47.560 Hopefully they become

00:24:48.340 better people.

00:24:49.580 Steve Schmidt,

00:24:50.440 Rick Wilson

00:24:51.340 became so venomous.

00:24:53.320 It's almost everything

00:24:54.100 out of his mouth

00:24:54.880 was just hate.

00:24:55.900 It was just hate.

00:24:56.700 There was nothing positive.

00:24:57.840 It was condescending.

00:24:59.280 It was laughing

00:25:00.700 at the other side,

00:25:01.600 like some moral high ground.

00:25:03.000 He was sitting on some perch

00:25:04.200 down looking over all

00:25:05.560 us little people.

00:25:06.660 Well,

00:25:07.160 just have a little humility,

00:25:09.040 apologize,

00:25:09.680 realize that you screwed up.

00:25:11.400 There are a lot of people

00:25:11.960 who got hurt,

00:25:12.980 especially the people

00:25:14.000 who were harassed

00:25:14.820 by one of their co-founders

00:25:16.280 and then come back

00:25:18.020 and,

00:25:18.420 and guess what?

00:25:19.280 I think the right

00:25:20.220 would be a lot more forgiving

00:25:21.500 maybe than the left

00:25:22.900 has been.

00:25:24.440 I mean,

00:25:24.600 that's a crazy,

00:25:25.200 think about that.

00:25:25.920 Steve Schmidt,

00:25:26.780 who is allegedly

00:25:27.680 protecting a sexual predator.

00:25:29.700 He denies it,

00:25:30.800 but this is what

00:25:31.280 the reports are suggesting

00:25:32.240 by,

00:25:32.600 by his own,

00:25:33.200 his own co-founder.

00:25:34.160 It's not just like the press

00:25:35.740 that's randomly saying this.

00:25:37.520 He's the one who says

00:25:38.780 about the Trump supporters,

00:25:40.900 none of them

00:25:41.860 should ever be forgiven.

00:25:44.180 All should pay a brutal price.

00:25:46.760 It doesn't feel good

00:25:47.800 when you've committed a sin

00:25:50.120 and someone's looking at you

00:25:51.740 that unforgivingly.

00:25:53.260 Does it,

00:25:53.900 Steve?

00:25:54.560 That's why most of us,

00:25:56.000 I would say most Christians

00:25:57.880 and,

00:25:58.380 and others,

00:25:59.340 but I certainly,

00:26:00.140 in my own Catholic faith,

00:26:01.100 and I know you're Catholic too,

00:26:02.700 forgiveness

00:26:03.180 as such an important right,

00:26:05.820 as such an important

00:26:06.720 piece of humanity

00:26:08.240 and when someone is sorry

00:26:09.980 and someone does make a mistake

00:26:11.420 and I don't know

00:26:11.920 what the full story is.

00:26:12.900 Maybe it was brought to them

00:26:13.900 and it didn't look serious enough

00:26:15.500 and they now deeply regret

00:26:17.040 not looking it over.

00:26:18.380 I think the American public

00:26:19.500 would listen to that,

00:26:20.880 but it's this,

00:26:22.340 this whole business of,

00:26:23.820 take the New York Times

00:26:24.760 when it fired Don McNeil

00:26:26.240 for,

00:26:26.660 you know,

00:26:27.460 repeating the N-word

00:26:28.700 in just a story.

00:26:30.400 It wasn't his,

00:26:31.100 word

00:26:31.440 and saying

00:26:33.020 intent doesn't matter.

00:26:34.820 All that matters

00:26:35.300 is impact, right?

00:26:36.360 And now him saying

00:26:37.380 just no forgiveness

00:26:38.660 ever

00:26:39.120 just because you supported Trump.

00:26:40.600 These guys invariably

00:26:41.600 find themselves

00:26:42.160 on the other side

00:26:43.020 one day

00:26:43.580 and it does take

00:26:44.860 those sort of

00:26:45.840 Catholic roots

00:26:46.400 in me

00:26:47.060 to try to muster up

00:26:49.120 forgiveness for them

00:26:50.020 even in those circumstances

00:26:51.220 and remember

00:26:51.860 to be better

00:26:53.740 than that,

00:26:54.420 to be better

00:26:54.920 than the unforgiving

00:26:55.800 scold who just wants

00:26:56.820 to rub their noses in it.

00:26:58.900 We need to be better

00:27:00.120 and we are

00:27:01.420 and we have

00:27:02.240 and I think

00:27:02.620 just think about

00:27:03.140 some of the things

00:27:03.860 you know,

00:27:05.160 the governor

00:27:06.440 of Virginia,

00:27:08.040 some of the things

00:27:08.500 that we found

00:27:09.460 on the left

00:27:11.020 people have done

00:27:11.660 but the politicians

00:27:13.180 or people

00:27:13.660 who are running

00:27:14.000 for office

00:27:14.500 or people in media

00:27:15.540 on the right do

00:27:16.860 and all of a sudden

00:27:17.380 they're done,

00:27:18.000 they're finished,

00:27:18.520 they're canceled,

00:27:19.120 they're out.

00:27:19.360 They cancel,

00:27:20.100 you know,

00:27:21.120 the left is doing

00:27:21.980 something very interesting.

00:27:23.460 They're canceling people

00:27:25.860 that they don't agree with.

00:27:27.260 The people who are doing things

00:27:28.260 and a lot of times

00:27:29.260 they deserve it

00:27:29.860 but sometimes

00:27:30.440 there are things

00:27:30.880 that happened 10,

00:27:31.600 15 years ago

00:27:32.300 and they've changed

00:27:33.220 their lives

00:27:33.720 and they're different people now

00:27:35.100 but they're still getting canceled

00:27:36.160 but they are ignoring it

00:27:37.840 when it happens

00:27:38.480 to people on the left

00:27:39.540 so they're administering

00:27:40.620 the cancel unequivocally.

00:27:43.240 There's no equilibrium there

00:27:44.420 and it really blends itself

00:27:46.100 to being just a political

00:27:47.160 hack movement.

00:27:48.920 Are we going to look back

00:27:50.040 in history,

00:27:51.540 look back at this time

00:27:52.800 going this is really

00:27:54.820 a lot like McCarthyism.

00:27:56.540 Like when those people

00:27:58.180 said that over there

00:27:59.120 they were communists

00:28:00.280 and they were going to go to jail

00:28:01.220 and they were going to get fired

00:28:02.080 and they were going to be ousted

00:28:03.480 from their communities

00:28:04.400 because they said things

00:28:05.660 that don't agree

00:28:06.500 with what we feel

00:28:07.500 therefore it's them

00:28:09.040 but then when things

00:28:10.320 were happening

00:28:10.740 on their own side

00:28:11.700 in a similar fashion

00:28:12.800 they ignored it.

00:28:13.600 Well McCarthyism

00:28:14.360 may be a bit of rage.

00:28:16.320 It feels like

00:28:17.120 that's what we have

00:28:18.080 right now.

00:28:19.140 The left's form

00:28:20.080 of McCarthyism

00:28:20.820 being cancel culture.

00:28:22.600 If you've ever said anything

00:28:23.540 that's perceived

00:28:24.520 as remotely racist

00:28:27.380 or a pronoun

00:28:28.140 using it in the wrong way

00:28:29.540 Megan, you and I

00:28:31.640 are not racist.

00:28:32.560 We're not homophobic.

00:28:33.520 We're not xenophobic.

00:28:34.520 We're not anything.

00:28:36.200 We have no isms

00:28:37.280 or isstics

00:28:38.860 to the back of our names

00:28:40.260 or we shouldn't

00:28:40.880 but we've both

00:28:41.700 been tagged with them

00:28:42.560 and it's just

00:28:43.400 it's insane.

00:28:44.540 You know what?

00:28:45.100 It's crazy.

00:28:45.620 It's because people

00:28:46.580 like you and I

00:28:47.380 are at the pointy

00:28:48.160 end of the spear

00:28:48.760 right?

00:28:49.260 Like we converse

00:28:50.440 for a living.

00:28:51.160 We talk about

00:28:51.960 tough issues

00:28:52.600 for a living

00:28:53.240 which is also

00:28:54.060 why it's so insane

00:28:54.880 to try to drop

00:28:55.440 labels on us.

00:28:56.240 Like this is literally

00:28:56.920 what we get paid to do

00:28:57.840 is take the most

00:28:58.720 difficult issues

00:28:59.520 and talk about them

00:29:00.900 and if you can't do it

00:29:02.100 then you should be

00:29:02.620 doing a different

00:29:03.320 business right?

00:29:04.060 But it's crossed

00:29:05.380 over to civilians.

00:29:06.700 That's what's so crazy

00:29:07.500 about cancel culture

00:29:08.400 right?

00:29:09.080 The civilians

00:29:09.580 are getting it now

00:29:10.260 which is extra

00:29:11.320 effed up

00:29:11.840 because they're

00:29:13.180 they're the voters.

00:29:14.580 They're the ones

00:29:14.940 who really matter

00:29:15.720 who get to have

00:29:16.460 the final say

00:29:17.060 and they're not

00:29:17.500 allowed to discuss

00:29:18.240 anything.

00:29:19.480 You know that

00:29:19.720 they're afraid

00:29:20.320 they're under

00:29:20.680 their breath

00:29:21.080 at the dinner

00:29:21.500 table like East

00:29:22.160 Germany

00:29:22.480 and it's

00:29:23.460 it's wrong.

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00:30:53.080 It's Andrew Cuomo.

00:30:54.460 I saw your tweet

00:30:55.280 about this the

00:30:55.820 other day and I

00:30:56.280 totally agreed with

00:30:57.700 you.

00:30:58.220 We're talking about

00:30:59.000 you know if they're

00:31:00.160 gonna they have to

00:31:00.880 apply political

00:31:01.880 pressure across

00:31:03.240 political lines if

00:31:03.960 they want to be

00:31:04.360 taken seriously

00:31:05.020 other than otherwise

00:31:05.720 it's just a partisan

00:31:06.560 political movement

00:31:07.480 this cancel culture

00:31:08.340 group and they

00:31:09.600 give this guy

00:31:10.680 this guy who's

00:31:12.520 now reportedly

00:31:13.180 being investigated

00:31:13.880 by the FBI for

00:31:15.280 his misleading

00:31:16.700 the feds on the

00:31:18.140 number of people

00:31:18.780 he killed.

00:31:19.980 I mean seriously

00:31:20.440 the number of

00:31:20.980 people his order

00:31:21.800 directly led to the

00:31:23.460 death of in New York

00:31:24.180 State nursing homes.

00:31:25.540 He lied.

00:31:26.640 He's been outed.

00:31:27.760 He's threatening

00:31:28.680 Democratic lawmakers

00:31:29.760 who are now telling

00:31:31.760 the truth about his

00:31:32.740 cover-up and the

00:31:34.200 left has said

00:31:35.580 boo they had to be

00:31:37.040 dragged to the

00:31:37.660 story kicking and

00:31:38.500 screaming by Janice

00:31:39.440 Dean who finally

00:31:40.960 got some support

00:31:41.820 from inside Democrats

00:31:43.180 who came clean

00:31:43.960 about his lies.

00:31:45.300 First of all it's

00:31:45.740 great work by Janice

00:31:46.880 and she's been I

00:31:47.480 know she's been on

00:31:48.080 the show with you

00:31:48.820 outing a lot of

00:31:49.880 this and finally

00:31:50.700 there's a there's a

00:31:51.760 federal investigation

00:31:52.460 that's been opened

00:31:53.340 up.

00:31:53.620 I'm not sure it's so

00:31:54.700 weird so you see it

00:31:56.000 you see a headline

00:31:56.680 like Cuomo knew

00:31:57.600 about he changed the

00:31:59.040 numbers or told

00:31:59.600 people to be quiet

00:32:00.420 about I don't

00:32:01.080 know allegedly about

00:32:01.780 6,000 or 9,000

00:32:03.180 people who died and

00:32:04.440 you look at it like

00:32:05.060 okay apply that to

00:32:07.120 a Republican Trump

00:32:08.260 or not Trump but

00:32:09.340 even and you go oh

00:32:10.760 my god this guy's

00:32:11.740 done right.

00:32:12.740 Imagine if it were

00:32:13.340 DeSantis in Florida.

00:32:15.000 Yeah oh they would

00:32:15.880 and you'd see the

00:32:17.280 headline and you'd

00:32:18.060 have a visceral

00:32:18.760 reaction like DeSantis

00:32:20.460 is done or Ted

00:32:21.760 Cruz is done or

00:32:22.780 whomever is done but

00:32:23.980 on the right you're

00:32:24.420 like um okay well

00:32:25.560 let's see what

00:32:26.000 happens and so

00:32:27.060 they're winning that

00:32:28.080 they're winning that

00:32:28.900 war but here's the

00:32:30.060 here I do a lot of

00:32:31.460 thinking on this for

00:32:32.260 some reason this

00:32:32.840 cancel culture thing is

00:32:33.940 just always present

00:32:35.500 in my mind like

00:32:36.280 because I'm because

00:32:37.180 I have to figure out

00:32:37.820 where I'm going from

00:32:38.800 here what am I going

00:32:39.680 to say how am I going

00:32:40.520 to say this I don't

00:32:41.520 like to walk on

00:32:42.460 eggshells about what

00:32:43.220 I say because I I

00:32:44.500 know in my heart I

00:32:45.540 don't have any of

00:32:46.120 these bad things that

00:32:46.900 people like to tag us

00:32:48.020 with but I don't want

00:32:49.020 to also get canceled

00:32:50.500 and here's where it

00:32:51.300 comes down to where

00:32:52.540 the rubber meets the

00:32:53.620 road and I hate

00:32:54.500 cliches but where the

00:32:55.480 rubber meets the road

00:32:56.620 is when the corporate

00:32:57.880 boardroom caves to the

00:33:00.140 pressure of the

00:33:00.800 cancel culture the tweet

00:33:01.900 when the corporate

00:33:02.780 boardroom talks about

00:33:03.820 a tweet and says we

00:33:05.000 have to let him or

00:33:05.840 her go because we

00:33:07.100 don't like the

00:33:07.800 blowback that's how

00:33:09.460 they win when and

00:33:10.800 there will be a day

00:33:11.680 Megan I'm not sure

00:33:12.500 when it who's going

00:33:13.680 to be the first Pepsi

00:33:14.740 Coke GM who is

00:33:16.760 going to step up and

00:33:17.460 say no we're not

00:33:19.020 going to cancel him

00:33:20.220 for something he did

00:33:21.060 15 or she did 15

00:33:22.480 years ago or or this

00:33:23.780 comment that that's

00:33:24.980 being you know pulled

00:33:26.620 out of context when the

00:33:27.980 corporate boardroom gets

00:33:29.040 some balls sorry some

00:33:32.040 whatever some guts some

00:33:34.340 character back then

00:33:36.380 cancel culture can't

00:33:37.820 live it can be a fun

00:33:39.120 thing on on the

00:33:40.000 internet which it was

00:33:41.000 that's where it

00:33:41.460 started started blowing

00:33:42.800 people up on internet

00:33:43.760 but then it became a

00:33:45.700 real thing when people

00:33:46.620 started losing their

00:33:47.400 jobs their careers their

00:33:48.260 families their social

00:33:49.200 status in their in

00:33:50.360 their neighborhoods that's

00:33:52.080 when when when corporate

00:33:53.260 boardrooms backed the

00:33:55.160 insanity of the mob that's

00:33:57.840 when it all hell and

00:33:58.900 we're in the midst of

00:33:59.620 all hell breaking loose

00:34:00.440 when corporate boardrooms

00:34:01.420 back off and say all

00:34:02.540 right we're back to

00:34:03.520 business we're going to

00:34:04.060 do business we're just

00:34:05.080 going to business you

00:34:06.000 have your fun blowing

00:34:06.800 people up on on social

00:34:08.000 media then then we'll

00:34:09.360 be we'll be in a better

00:34:10.240 place that's why the law

00:34:11.720 is the answer because

00:34:12.920 what they're doing is

00:34:13.600 illegal and in a lot of

00:34:15.020 these situations is

00:34:15.940 canceling people because

00:34:16.900 they they won't go along

00:34:17.800 with the new racist

00:34:18.480 messaging being shoved

00:34:19.440 down their throats and

00:34:20.680 the law will protect you

00:34:21.940 and once we make that

00:34:23.360 clear in the courts

00:34:24.180 corporate America will bow

00:34:25.980 immediately because they're

00:34:26.920 spineless they don't their

00:34:28.120 heart isn't in this

00:34:28.900 cancel culture nonsense

00:34:29.840 they're just bowing

00:34:30.640 they're afraid they're

00:34:31.360 paying the ransom so the

00:34:33.180 stakes have to be up on

00:34:34.080 the other side and

00:34:34.860 that's that's underway

00:34:36.400 but let me just I just

00:34:39.020 want to tell the audience

00:34:40.100 just one of the things

00:34:40.900 about Cuomo and Janice is

00:34:42.220 coming back on soon

00:34:43.040 because she's got a new

00:34:43.740 book out and she's I'm

00:34:45.200 hope hoping going to run

00:34:46.540 for governor here in New

00:34:48.820 York City it would be so

00:34:49.720 amazing if she did it but

00:34:51.920 there's a Democratic New

00:34:53.260 York legislature legislator

00:34:55.060 it's a this is a state

00:34:56.040 state rep his name is Ron

00:34:58.460 Kim he's a Democrat

00:34:59.700 okay he's a he's a

00:35:01.020 Democrat assemblyman here

00:35:02.280 in New York and he came

00:35:03.820 out and is publicly on

00:35:05.340 television and otherwise

00:35:06.200 detailing alleged threats

00:35:08.280 from Governor Cuomo okay

00:35:10.620 I'm actually reading

00:35:11.340 media right now wrote it

00:35:12.840 up Kim claims Cuomo

00:35:14.160 threatened him in an

00:35:15.540 effort to get him to

00:35:16.220 participate in a cover-up

00:35:17.280 of COVID caused

00:35:18.420 nursing home deaths the

00:35:19.800 assemblyman has been a

00:35:20.680 vocal critic of Cuomo's on

00:35:21.700 this issue Kim says the

00:35:23.020 governor tried to

00:35:23.560 intimidate him into

00:35:24.400 changing his position

00:35:25.280 quote when we get closer

00:35:27.160 to the truth behind the

00:35:28.180 growing nursing home

00:35:28.880 scandal in New York

00:35:29.720 Governor Cuomo tries to

00:35:31.180 implicate you in the

00:35:32.000 cover-up or threatens your

00:35:33.280 livelihood if you don't

00:35:34.280 lie for him and that's

00:35:35.660 what happened to me in the

00:35:36.380 last week he says he was

00:35:37.420 one of six lawmakers in a

00:35:38.800 private virtual meeting

00:35:39.820 with top Cuomo aide Melissa

00:35:41.700 DeRosa she's the one who

00:35:43.120 outed Cuomo as as say as

00:35:45.600 trying to hide the numbers

00:35:46.920 because they didn't want

00:35:47.760 the feds to investigate them

00:35:49.760 and he says DeRosa admitted

00:35:51.960 to a cover-up in that

00:35:52.980 meeting and then Kim

00:35:54.400 felt he had to go

00:35:55.120 public Cuomo phoned him

00:35:56.320 the next evening while he

00:35:57.340 was bathing his kids

00:35:58.180 quote for 10 minutes he

00:35:59.740 berated me he yelled at

00:36:00.880 me he told me my career

00:36:02.200 would be over he's been

00:36:03.360 biting his tongue for

00:36:04.160 months against me and he

00:36:05.640 says and I had tonight to

00:36:06.960 issue a new statement I

00:36:09.160 had tonight he says to

00:36:10.800 issue a new statement and

00:36:11.660 essentially asking me to

00:36:12.920 lie he says he goes this

00:36:14.500 is a Democrat in New York I

00:36:15.860 heard and saw a crime the

00:36:17.240 other day and he's asking

00:36:18.760 me to say that I didn't

00:36:20.560 this guy needs to be

00:36:23.040 bounced out of office it's

00:36:25.640 not it's not a cancel

00:36:27.060 culture thing this is a you

00:36:29.340 have a corrupt lying cheating

00:36:32.580 criminal at the at the top of

00:36:35.880 the New York state government

00:36:36.980 and it is beyond time for the

00:36:39.900 press to stop looking the

00:36:41.500 other way yeah there was a and

00:36:43.840 people may not remember this but

00:36:45.280 this again with with you know

00:36:47.780 you have a Democrat governor

00:36:49.820 in a very Democratic state

00:36:51.740 voters are Democrat the the

00:36:53.420 you know all up and down the

00:36:54.760 lines are Democrats it was

00:36:56.600 probably 10 years ago or so

00:36:58.020 maybe less where Andrew Cuomo

00:37:00.220 declared their name is

00:37:01.620 probably less it was 70 years

00:37:02.760 ago where he declared he

00:37:03.920 wanted to investigate

00:37:04.800 corruption within the state and

00:37:07.740 this is a true story as

00:37:09.260 they're investigating it got

00:37:10.500 closer and closer and closer to

00:37:12.820 the governor's office he

00:37:15.060 shut the investigation down

00:37:16.340 he shut it down before he

00:37:18.600 was implicated in in these

00:37:20.240 corrupt scandals okay fast

00:37:22.720 forward to now where the the

00:37:24.560 what happens is these people

00:37:26.300 these politicians think they're

00:37:27.420 all almighty they have all all

00:37:28.760 the power in the world it's

00:37:29.580 going to come down to Letitia

00:37:31.340 James you know she's the

00:37:32.780 attorney general if she a

00:37:34.820 Democrat if she's got the guts

00:37:37.700 to go after a very powerful

00:37:40.500 governor guy who probably the

00:37:42.300 left thinks could be a president

00:37:44.060 the presidential candidate that's

00:37:46.140 not happening not anymore I

00:37:47.520 think that ship has sailed too

00:37:48.660 but but look I think they

00:37:50.060 should go after him because

00:37:51.040 people died you know we're not

00:37:52.860 talking a few we're talking

00:37:54.120 thousands of people died he he

00:37:55.880 hid he allegedly you know told

00:37:59.640 people not to report true

00:38:01.780 numbers of nursing home deaths

00:38:03.620 find out that story and then go

00:38:05.480 reopen the investigations into into

00:38:07.380 the the corrupt dealings of the

00:38:09.400 state of New York from about seven

00:38:11.720 or eight years ago and find out

00:38:12.840 what what that investigation was

00:38:14.420 going to find as well honestly

00:38:16.340 Eric like I am believe me a

00:38:18.520 hundred percent in favor of the

00:38:20.140 New York attorney general's work

00:38:21.480 on like the Harvey Weinstein

00:38:22.620 case like go and investigate

00:38:24.240 Harvey Weinstein get to the

00:38:25.200 bottom of what he did that was

00:38:26.240 important work so is this

00:38:28.120 thousands of people are dead and

00:38:30.640 there appears to be a massive

00:38:31.860 cover-up afoot I mean let's just

00:38:34.620 look at the relative stakes here

00:38:36.180 we're talking about massive loss of

00:38:38.040 life of our most vulnerable beloved

00:38:40.040 ones and and this governor who

00:38:42.180 nobody will hold to account other

00:38:43.840 than my friend the meteorologist

00:38:45.860 without Janice Dean this guy would

00:38:47.420 have gotten away with all of this

00:38:48.680 I swear I believe that yeah anyway

00:38:50.740 so I will see James has been she's

00:38:53.820 been brave so far in preparing the

00:38:55.380 report but I don't think she's going

00:38:56.500 to go after us she's going to leave

00:38:57.500 it at that she needs to you and we

00:38:59.720 need to continue to press to find

00:39:01.460 out what happened do you remember

00:39:02.820 when and this I believe this was

00:39:04.880 political when when it is very early

00:39:07.760 stages of the COVID pandemic when

00:39:11.660 Trump sent the hospital ship to New

00:39:14.100 York and they docked it and Cuomo

00:39:16.580 said no we don't need it do you

00:39:18.340 remember this we don't literally left

00:39:20.640 empty sent back on its way and now we

00:39:24.760 find out that a lot of people were

00:39:26.640 sent back into nursing homes that

00:39:28.100 were sick that may have been if they

00:39:30.160 had been left out of these nursing

00:39:32.200 homes they may not have spread as

00:39:34.620 rapidly as it rapidly as it as it did

00:39:37.080 they may have utilized it did Cuomo

00:39:39.040 send that ship away I just love to

00:39:41.040 see some of these emails did Cuomo

00:39:42.300 send that ship away because Trump

00:39:44.100 sent the ship at the expense of the

00:39:46.780 lives of people in the nursing homes

00:39:48.560 I mean these there's there's a lot of

00:39:51.000 layers in this onion that they can

00:39:52.120 pull back yeah or did he do it because

00:39:54.140 he was gonna the state was gonna make

00:39:55.760 more if they went to the hospitals I

00:39:57.120 mean well well Janice has been

00:39:58.320 raising these questions we'll get into

00:40:00.300 it more but I I mean we're watching

00:40:02.080 this because this is such an egregious

00:40:03.960 dereliction listen I want to back up

00:40:06.140 to something else you were saying

00:40:07.000 about corporate America now you

00:40:09.260 people may not know this about you but

00:40:11.080 you started in corporate America you

00:40:14.060 got your start in television because

00:40:16.160 you were a commodities trader on Wall

00:40:18.420 Street and all I know is a mutual

00:40:21.260 friend of ours was telling me she's

00:40:23.600 like oh Eric he was like a god on Wall

00:40:26.120 Street she's like he this is Melissa

00:40:27.780 Frances who I know you know she's like

00:40:29.700 everybody just did what Eric did when

00:40:31.360 he when he made a move the rest of us

00:40:32.780 made a move like we the mob followed

00:40:34.940 because he always seemed to have his

00:40:36.760 finger on the pulse and I wondered

00:40:39.500 because I don't I've never really talked

00:40:40.940 to you about this so how many years did

00:40:42.380 you do that and did you make a gazillion

00:40:45.720 dollars doing that like was it was a

00:40:48.300 lucrative portion of your career it was

00:40:50.880 very look I started my I guess my adult

00:40:53.360 life as a professional baseball player I

00:40:55.200 was drafted by the Pittsburgh Pirates and

00:40:56.980 in my first season I blew my rotator cuff

00:41:00.620 and I literally went from okay now what I

00:41:04.140 just happen to love love economics money

00:41:07.360 we were dead poor broke in inner city

00:41:10.160 Chicago family no money just never you

00:41:13.280 know mom worked two jobs that the whole

00:41:15.100 the whole stereotypical lower middle class

00:41:19.420 to maybe upper lower class family I always

00:41:22.380 wanted to get out of that and and so Wall

00:41:24.720 Street was was fascinating to me made my

00:41:27.300 way to Wall Street at some point and spent

00:41:30.160 15 years as as a as an oil and gas trader

00:41:33.960 on Wall Street at towards the end of that

00:41:36.980 it was it was I'd done very very well that

00:41:39.500 someone had said something that I'm Melissa

00:41:41.700 may have been at CNBC at the time I think

00:41:44.080 she was and some it may have been her who

00:41:46.800 talked to some of the people at CNBC and

00:41:48.520 said would you bowling would you be

00:41:51.140 interested in in coming and talking about

00:41:52.980 a TV show and I said what are you talking

00:41:55.000 what are you thinking and they said well

00:41:56.220 we want to take a couple of various people

00:41:59.000 from various worlds on Wall Street and have

00:42:01.300 them come in again CNBC was was a business

00:42:03.300 finance network is a business and finance

00:42:06.220 network you know we would take you we'll

00:42:09.040 take someone from say a Merrill Lynch and

00:42:11.120 we'll take a guy in retail and and we had a

00:42:14.140 girl who was a hedge fund manager and we'll

00:42:17.140 put you on the desk and just talk about the

00:42:18.760 trading day at the end of the day and I

00:42:20.120 said that sounds great well it was they

00:42:22.540 played around with it for maybe a couple

00:42:25.180 of months as a once a week segment and it

00:42:27.960 grew in popularity it ended up becoming

00:42:29.880 fast money and Melissa Francis named that

00:42:33.040 show or they were searching for a show make

00:42:35.160 a long story short that's awesome I was one

00:42:37.040 of four guys and me all four guys on the

00:42:40.460 desk they went through five or six hundred

00:42:42.060 people you know applying or trying to

00:42:44.680 become one of those first original cast

00:42:46.500 members I was one of the first cast members

00:42:48.620 and so I had a Wall Street background but

00:42:51.460 then I got into TV that way and I just love

00:42:53.480 the TV aspect of it and about a year or so

00:42:57.820 into that is when Roger and Bill Shine and

00:43:01.160 Suzanne Scott called me in and at Fox and

00:43:04.520 said hey why don't you do that over here

00:43:06.680 bring your bring your content over to Fox and

00:43:09.260 that's how I made the move from NBC CNBC and

00:43:13.480 NBC over to Fox but yeah I so so the first

00:43:16.660 thing I did when I came over to Fox and this

00:43:18.900 is by 15 years ago I said don't don't ever

00:43:21.480 sell your Apple and don't ever sell your

00:43:23.140 gold and gold is about I think his gold is

00:43:27.480 $500 an ounce and Apple was about $70 a

00:43:31.040 share before it split like gazillions of

00:43:33.160 time so wow they all they all I think I

00:43:37.020 hopefully they all still own their gold

00:43:38.940 and they're in there and I bet someplace we

00:43:40.880 can find you saying buy Bitcoin oh you

00:43:43.920 want to know something that's my new that

00:43:45.720 that's my thing I'm into the Bitcoin stuff

00:43:48.100 boy oh man I feel like I'm late to the

00:43:50.420 party I'm always late to these parties you're

00:43:53.080 not late to the party these things everyone I

00:43:57.100 taught I do this I do this little experiment

00:43:58.780 I go I'll go to a restaurant with Adrian my

00:44:00.780 wife or or a bar we'll have a cocktail

00:44:03.100 and we'll talk to people of every age I

00:44:05.760 can have every age now Bitcoin's become

00:44:07.580 so mainstream in the news that they all

00:44:11.360 know about it everyone knows what bit I

00:44:12.860 hear Bitcoin Bitcoin's this alternative

00:44:14.280 currency well if I don't I don't really

00:44:15.940 understand how much do you have and it's

00:44:17.580 almost 95 I'd say more than 9 out of 10

00:44:21.140 people if that you talk to it will be I

00:44:23.800 don't have any I want in but they'll see

00:44:25.760 the same thing you said it jumped in it's

00:44:27.340 up to 50 51 52 it's I'm late to the

00:44:30.580 party Bitcoin the there are only 21 million

00:44:35.560 Bitcoins will ever be produced in the world

00:44:37.600 there are about 17 million already now it'll

00:44:39.840 slow down it'll probably we'll probably hit

00:44:43.260 21 million in maybe 20 or 30 years but when

00:44:46.280 you do know we know more Bitcoin it's not

00:44:48.820 like gold where you can continue to find

00:44:50.520 gold and mine gold and still come up

00:44:52.980 they'll be they'll be the top then the price

00:44:54.920 of Bitcoin will just go up you'll just you'll

00:44:57.000 just be able to buy smaller and smaller

00:44:58.440 pieces of Bitcoin which will have more and

00:45:00.140 more value I look it's 50 I started buying

00:45:02.760 Bitcoin when it was 6,000 I watched it go to

00:45:06.020 20 back to 3,000 it's a 52 now I think

00:45:09.780 Bitcoin's I think it's it's north of a half

00:45:12.540 a million maybe a million dollar Bitcoin at

00:45:14.160 some point okay I like that I I like knowing

00:45:19.620 that there's still opportunity there I was I was

00:45:22.160 at a restaurant with Adrian last night and a

00:45:23.740 guy comes up he's like hey and literally

00:45:26.300 some neighbor who I've never met before in

00:45:28.500 my life he's like hey you know I hear you

00:45:29.800 talking about Bitcoin or I follow you on

00:45:31.180 Twitter and you're talking about Bitcoin

00:45:32.440 like it's too late right I go no it's not

00:45:34.980 too late it's not too late and you know I

00:45:38.040 said I don't know what your what your

00:45:39.760 savings are like he's like I have a

00:45:41.260 furniture business I do quite well I said

00:45:42.860 how many kids you got he said two I said

00:45:44.520 well don't put your life savings into

00:45:46.620 Bitcoin but you got two kids buy them each

00:45:48.460 a Bitcoin it's not something that you're

00:45:50.460 gonna you know you're gonna need to live

00:45:53.760 on because you're a wealthy guy your family

00:45:56.300 he's with his wife and two little kids

00:45:57.900 buy each one of those kids a Bitcoin and

00:45:59.900 forget about it and then come talk to me

00:46:01.800 in about five years and guess what you'll

00:46:03.700 be buying me dinner in this restaurant when

00:46:06.420 I see you again the next time so wait a

00:46:08.800 minute when I let me ask my dumb question

00:46:11.740 when you say it's at 50,000 are you

00:46:14.720 telling me it's it costs $50,000 to get

00:46:18.460 one Bitcoin yeah but you don't have to you

00:46:20.960 can you yes one Bitcoin value my god it's

00:46:24.160 like a lot of money so you don't have to

00:46:26.860 buy if you have a Bitcoin wallet you can

00:46:29.040 buy a hundred dollars worth of Bitcoin or

00:46:30.760 three hundred dollars worth of Bitcoin you

00:46:32.360 can buy whatever amount you want you

00:46:34.380 don't have to buy a full Bitcoin you can

00:46:36.060 buy a piece of a Bitcoin and you get a

00:46:38.280 you get a digital wallet which means

00:46:40.760 here's my theory I hate cash now I don't

00:46:44.800 even want to touch money anymore I don't

00:46:46.340 want to go in my pocket I want even I

00:46:48.480 don't even want to use a credit card

00:46:49.660 because I have to touch a credit card

00:46:50.900 and put it and you know and type in a

00:46:53.060 yes or no with my finger I believe that

00:46:55.420 everything will be transacted via our

00:46:57.560 phones you know we'll just swipe but when

00:46:59.820 Bitcoin becomes a transactionable currency

00:47:04.280 the way you know MasterCard or Visa when

00:47:08.660 Bitcoin becomes MasterCard Visa an

00:47:11.020 alternative or you can just swipe your

00:47:13.480 phone and then take a little piece of

00:47:15.040 your Bitcoin wallet out to pay for your

00:47:16.940 your your Starbucks or your movie theater

00:47:20.800 tickets whatever it is that's when Bitcoin

00:47:23.100 really becomes massive Bitcoin the reason

00:47:26.380 why Bitcoin will replace I believe will

00:47:28.180 replace dollar denominated currencies is

00:47:31.580 because when we print money the way we

00:47:33.280 print money in American and around the

00:47:35.100 world really everyone's printing money we

00:47:37.200 devalue the currency so a dollar continues

00:47:39.300 to get devalued no but like it or not

00:47:41.360 use you go three four five trillion more

00:47:45.320 into debt each year it's because we're

00:47:46.900 printing more money that means our

00:47:48.420 dollars which are backed by the US

00:47:50.620 government become less and less valuable

00:47:52.780 it's just pure supply and demand Bitcoin

00:47:55.500 doesn't have that there's no more printing

00:47:57.300 of Bitcoin Bitcoin with a 21 million at a

00:47:59.660 point and that's it there's no government

00:48:01.600 that's going to come in and say we're going

00:48:04.000 to add more Bitcoin and or we're going to tax

00:48:06.540 you on your Bitcoin that's just not that's

00:48:08.680 just not where it is I it it is the but I

00:48:12.480 don't really understand it is it like two

00:48:14.460 guys who said let's create an alternate

00:48:16.220 form of currency and just see if we'll get

00:48:18.220 people to bite and we're going to call it

00:48:19.740 this is the coin we're going to try to get

00:48:20.980 people to buy this stuff even though right

00:48:22.800 now very nothing this is a very good

00:48:26.220 question because no one knows who invented

00:48:28.620 Bitcoin there is there's a theory that is

00:48:32.380 South Korean Satoshi Nakamoto invented

00:48:38.560 Bitcoin I think that's the name something

00:48:40.160 like that but no one really knows and we

00:48:42.320 don't know how much he or she has for

00:48:45.200 themselves so if there's 21 million

00:48:46.560 Bitcoin the theory is they kept 2 million

00:48:49.340 Bitcoin for themselves we don't know that

00:48:51.020 so we don't know exactly but it will top

00:48:53.260 out it's we know where it is and when it's

00:48:55.000 going to top out it's not two guys it was

00:48:58.400 it was it was created as a way to to trade

00:49:01.480 value and what happened was in the real

00:49:03.540 the reason why I believe in Bitcoin now is

00:49:06.220 because it was originally used by really

00:49:08.860 dark web people like drug dealers and human

00:49:12.280 traffickers and things like that and they

00:49:13.680 were just trading value back and forth

00:49:15.480 with this currency that couldn't be it

00:49:17.240 wasn't wasn't being tracked by any

00:49:18.560 government well that's the way it was and

00:49:20.960 that's really why I didn't jump into it in

00:49:22.620 2009 when it started because I was like I

00:49:25.080 don't want to get involved in the seedy

00:49:26.360 underworld I'm not sure where my money is

00:49:28.020 going to go and like all of a sudden it

00:49:29.840 jumped into mainstream at one point I

00:49:32.400 can't remember what it was 20 around

00:49:33.780 2015 or so I didn't jump in then but once

00:49:37.320 it started to pick up steam and I'll I'll

00:49:39.520 never forget I was sitting in a in a

00:49:41.480 restaurant in Miami and the bartender

00:49:43.340 came over and he showed me his Bitcoin

00:49:44.740 wall I'm like wow it's really it's

00:49:46.420 starting to move he's like yeah everyone's

00:49:47.560 doing everyone's talking about it I can I

00:49:49.280 can you know go to this other my other

00:49:50.900 friend over here and buy dinner with my

00:49:53.200 Bitcoin and trade him my Bitcoin and I

00:49:54.800 realized it was making the jump to

00:49:57.240 mainstream and it was getting out of the

00:49:59.080 dark corners behind the alley into into

00:50:02.400 mainstream and and what happened was this

00:50:04.400 is why I like it government didn't see it

00:50:06.600 coming and it popped it popped into the

00:50:09.000 into into the into the real world now you

00:50:11.680 have Elon Musk saying he'll take take

00:50:13.840 Bitcoin for Tesla's we have PayPal saying

00:50:16.760 they'll take it MasterCard is looking into

00:50:18.820 taking it it happened so fast that the

00:50:20.900 government couldn't get their greedy

00:50:22.100 little stinky grimy hands on it yet and

00:50:24.720 now it's out there and they can't take it

00:50:26.340 away the big risk was a government

00:50:27.840 government was going to take it away

00:50:29.200 here's another dumb question the thing

00:50:31.280 that Elon Musk is pushing is that is that

00:50:33.560 dog coin what is that what is that other

00:50:35.760 thing doge what is that technical it's

00:50:38.300 dogecoin it started as a joke as all these

00:50:40.700 cryptocurrencies were starting up and

00:50:42.700 no one really you know there's a bunch of

00:50:44.100 little light coin and ethereum there's

00:50:46.060 there's literally hundreds of them and

00:50:47.760 and most of them were just started with

00:50:50.520 the same type of algorithm same type of

00:50:53.440 technical creation origin and someone said

00:50:58.640 oh let's call it a dogecoin and they put

00:51:00.480 it a picture of a Shiba Inu on it on a

00:51:02.620 coin it was literally go yeah no no it was

00:51:05.860 a joke startup and the guy who invented it

00:51:08.400 said he can't believe it he he put it up

00:51:11.380 there as a joke and now it's it's it's

00:51:13.460 several billion dollars of valuation oh my

00:51:16.460 god why don't we why don't we just do

00:51:18.020 that why don't we just create our own

00:51:19.440 coin this sounds like a great idea or we

00:51:22.320 could just buy some Bitcoin and watch

00:51:23.860 this thing go to the moon well here's the

00:51:26.620 here's the truth this is back to where we

00:51:28.800 started Eric doesn't actually need any of

00:51:30.680 this money and and I'll tell the audience

00:51:32.940 that one of the funniest moments I love

00:51:35.180 this where it was back it was during the

00:51:37.780 Obama administration and we were doing

00:51:39.440 like the sequester and they had shut down

00:51:42.440 the White House tours and so the little

00:51:45.120 kids who were scheduled to go to the

00:51:46.640 White House they scheduled six weeks in

00:51:47.900 advance were basically told you can

00:51:49.380 pound sand the Obama administration not

00:51:52.100 gonna let you see the White House and

00:51:53.860 you were like this is BS they should be

00:51:56.140 taking out their their inability to

00:51:57.740 budget on school kids and you said I will

00:52:01.800 personally pay for a week of the White

00:52:04.580 House tours and it was 74,000 bucks you

00:52:07.480 were gonna you said I'll pay for it out of

00:52:08.880 my own pocket and I remember watching the

00:52:10.780 five and Greg Gutfeld said I think we just

00:52:13.800 realized that this show is not your primary

00:52:15.360 source of income he said is this show your

00:52:18.560 hobby is this just like something to do

00:52:21.440 that was a fun show but but but that was

00:52:23.520 it and then that isn't that sad that that

00:52:25.180 they played politics with the kids it's

00:52:27.140 like play politics with the grown-ups do

00:52:28.820 you know take shots at your fellow

00:52:30.620 Republicans and Democrats left and right

00:52:33.060 by the way they they're equally as as gross in

00:52:36.900 that respect but it was when the kids when

00:52:39.720 they could kids and I remember just remember

00:52:41.580 in eighth grade the the the eighth grade

00:52:44.120 trip to DC to go see the White House and

00:52:46.020 those little tours why would you shut the

00:52:47.940 tours down there's so many things you could

00:52:49.580 do did you do that did you go from Chicago

00:52:51.800 to DC in eighth grade to see the White House

00:52:53.740 I have to be honest with you can be really

00:52:59.300 honest with you yeah yeah I didn't go so we

00:53:02.900 had an eighth grade tour it's planned for

00:53:04.980 Chicago I told you I was poor in Chicago

00:53:08.600 right I was poor but I lived in a very wealthy

00:53:11.260 neighborhood my my my mother's father was a

00:53:14.140 builder and before he went bankrupt he had

00:53:16.640 two houses one he gave to my family and we

00:53:19.220 were very very poor in a rich neighborhood

00:53:21.260 my in those kids they treated me they they I

00:53:25.600 was I was the outcast I was I was the poor

00:53:27.900 kid and I literally didn't go because I didn't

00:53:32.260 have anyone I could go with so I didn't go but

00:53:35.940 everyone else did and and by the way that's

00:53:39.140 why I didn't want to be poor anymore well you

00:53:42.480 never know how those experiences are going to

00:53:44.320 form you right how they're gonna you don't

00:53:46.760 know at the time when you just feel bad like

00:53:48.480 you don't have the right sneakers and you don't

00:53:50.180 have a parent who can take two days off to go

00:53:52.560 to DC with you how that might long-term wind up

00:53:57.520 being not not such a bad thing I can't believe you

00:54:00.340 just said that because I wrote in the by I wrote

00:54:04.120 a book I wrote in the book about about this

00:54:07.280 and I'll never forget I was probably around

00:54:10.360 seven years old and we were in my mom and I

00:54:13.720 were we she took me shopping for sneakers and

00:54:16.160 we were in a place called valueville it was

00:54:17.940 this little thing in Chicago like a Kmart like

00:54:22.120 just like a Kmart but a bunch of stuff and she

00:54:24.480 said go pick out some sneakers and I literally

00:54:26.320 went and picked out pro kids and I love them

00:54:28.360 they're cool I brought them back and and she

00:54:30.980 said and I'll never forget her face it was

00:54:33.520 just her face just dropped and she said we

00:54:36.000 can't afford those I it was my first

00:54:39.600 understanding of afford something what we we

00:54:44.320 can't what do you mean at class I had no idea

00:54:48.120 up until that moment that some people could

00:54:50.760 afford stuff and other people couldn't afford

00:54:52.580 things it was crushing to me and it was

00:54:54.640 crushing to see my mom's face when she had to

00:54:57.560 break the news to me and I don't know Megan I

00:55:00.180 think yes I've been very fortunate I've been

00:55:02.400 blessed I've been but I I've spent a lot of

00:55:05.860 years taking a lot of risk and made a lot of

00:55:08.260 money probably because it was just so difficult

00:55:14.140 of a childhood living in that in that situation

00:55:17.180 but right yeah the sneaker story true story I

00:55:20.460 understand that it was it's the shame that can

00:55:25.060 come to a child from not being able to do the

00:55:27.880 bare minimum that the other students are doing

00:55:29.940 runs deep and I was never poor I mean I was poor

00:55:35.420 individually when I was trying to put myself

00:55:36.860 through law school but I just I mean like my

00:55:38.340 family was never poor we were middle class

00:55:40.620 although later in life my mom said we had

00:55:43.180 graduated to upper middle class so I'm like that

00:55:45.400 sounds better you know I'll go with that but it but

00:55:47.640 we were also never at a place where you know I

00:55:50.360 could have what I wanted when I want like we

00:55:52.640 always had to budget and we had to be careful and

00:55:54.460 I heard no a lot when it came to money and that

00:55:57.260 was a motivator for me too I will say like I I

00:55:59.740 always just I always just wanted to be able to

00:56:01.740 buy the things I wanted and I never had extravagant

00:56:04.040 taste you know like I remember when I was young

00:56:06.480 and I was starting out and I was a lawyer and I

00:56:07.900 said my dream is to be able to go in a pottery

00:56:10.160 barn and buy the furniture I want in pottery

00:56:13.000 barn like that's and that and when I got to that

00:56:15.360 point as a lawyer I truly was like I have

00:56:17.120 arrived and truly I I haven't needed more than

00:56:20.540 that you know I gave I had an interview with

00:56:22.880 Charlie Rose he interviewed me one time and he

00:56:25.660 said something like oh you know that you're

00:56:27.380 reportedly getting offered all these millions by

00:56:28.980 Fox or so or whatever it was so you know why do

00:56:32.280 you need X million and I I said I don't I don't

00:56:35.360 need any million and I don't I've lived very poorly

00:56:38.600 and I've lived with lots of money and I don't

00:56:41.540 need any of that money but you also have to know

00:56:45.140 what you're worth right so it's like why would

00:56:48.100 you take 20% you know less than your worth or 50%

00:56:52.060 less than your worth so you you know you have to

00:56:53.580 be a smart business person and bargain for the

00:56:56.080 best deal but that's not to be confused with being

00:56:58.820 money obsessed or thinking you have to have it to

00:57:01.080 live well because having done both I can say my

00:57:03.680 level of happiness having to stay the same it the

00:57:05.960 only thing money has done for me is remove the

00:57:08.260 sick feeling you get in your stomach when the

00:57:09.620 bills come yes 100% I agree with you 100% you that's

00:57:15.960 why athletes don't need 26 million dollars but they

00:57:18.760 want to get because it makes them feel like they're

00:57:22.100 the most important athlete on the field I just I I

00:57:26.300 think most of what has motivated me for my whole life

00:57:29.320 has been those though just the thought and I can still

00:57:32.600 see him laughing at me and those young kids it was it was

00:57:36.220 brutal I don't wish that on anyone more with Eric in

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01:00:00.120 you another edition of a feature we call you can't say that or

01:00:04.960 think that or do that oh wait this is America there's a funny

01:00:09.800 thing about cancel culture if you talk about cancel culture you

01:00:12.660 may get canceled you may get canceled yourself just for talking

01:00:15.840 about cancel culture that's we've jumped the shark in the

01:00:18.400 movement now people that's essentially what happened to the

01:00:21.140 bachelor host you know Chris Harrison who the hell gets offended

01:00:24.000 by Chris Harrison you get offended by Chris Harrison you were

01:00:26.180 looking for people to be offended by for last week it was Dolly

01:00:29.000 Parton now it's this guy please we've run out of people to

01:00:32.120 target he's the the host of the ABC dating show right the reality

01:00:37.400 show and apparently he's gone woke well he was forced to or he's

01:00:40.520 pretending to you see photos of a current cast member were uncovered and

01:00:45.220 they they showed her recently at a quote antebellum plantation themed

01:00:50.240 frat party when she was in college dumb move sister dumb move Harrison was

01:00:56.100 asked about this and he urged quote a little grace a little understanding a

01:01:00.660 little compassion noting this this is quoting now judge jury executioner

01:01:05.560 thing where people are just tearing this girl's life apart it's

01:01:08.620 unbelievably alarming now two things can be true that could have been a

01:01:12.460 stupid ass move by the young woman and Chris Harrison could be right that

01:01:16.880 there's no reason to tear her life apart over it right like people do dumb ass

01:01:20.340 things when they're in college and beyond for that matter and as long as

01:01:23.220 they come to see the light and understand it and you know apologize

01:01:25.860 whatever however you want to handle it or not if she doesn't feel she says it

01:01:29.200 look it was it wasn't meant to cause harm and I don't what it's up to her but

01:01:33.000 it's really not his problem to solve so he was making a condemnation of our

01:01:37.340 knee-jerk cancellation right on to of everybody pretty reasonable but no it was

01:01:42.620 totally unacceptable Harrison then had the guns turned on him

01:01:46.340 and he immediately apologized for quote causing harm by wrongly speaking in a

01:01:52.600 manner that perpetuates racism but that was most certainly not enough you see

01:01:56.740 Harrison announced he's stepping aside from the bachelor franchise effective

01:02:01.900 immediately and will instead be spending his time and this is an actual quote

01:02:05.840 getting educated on a more profound and productive level than ever before

01:02:10.700 this is the only time I've agreed with Don Lemon in my life Don Lemon was on CNN

01:02:17.020 saying I don't know if it's sincere it's not Don it's not Don the arbiter of all

01:02:22.480 things moral Don who was alleged alleged shoved his hands down his own pants

01:02:26.400 fondled his own genitalia and then rubbed his hands all over some random

01:02:29.760 stranger in a bar that Don Lemon he denies it but there was a witness that one

01:02:35.520 says he's not sure the apology was sincere but I had to say I'm not sure

01:02:39.260 either because everyone gets forced into this crouching position saying please

01:02:44.880 don't ruin my career well anyway good good luck on your re-education Chris do we

01:02:52.960 all feel better now because if you say we should have some grace and compassion like

01:02:56.940 he did well you can't say that oh wait this is America and now back to Eric

01:03:04.160 Bowling as we talk about our childhoods and you know now our adult situations I'm

01:03:15.380 thinking about Eric Chase and I'm wondering before we get to everything that

01:03:20.500 happened can can you talk about like raising a child as a rich man and how

01:03:26.820 you know you and Adrian tried to not spoil him too much and not you know because

01:03:31.680 no matter what's your financial situation you always want to teach your child the

01:03:35.160 value of a dollar the value of hard work not to grow up to be you know some

01:03:39.540 douchebag rich person who you know thinks they they're entitled to everything and

01:03:45.040 you have to actively work on that are you going to wind up with somebody who does

01:03:48.800 think that way yeah we saw Eric Chase if if if your audience doesn't know he's it was

01:03:54.900 my 19 year old son he passed with from an opioid overdose in college and I I never

01:04:02.640 spoiled him I mean he I wanted to give him more than I had obviously and I and I did he

01:04:08.500 had his own car when he turned 16 and he had his own room and it was nice but it

01:04:13.080 wasn't wasn't extravagance but I always always pushed education I just wanted him

01:04:20.260 to learn I just wanted him to be good in school like whatever you know whatever he

01:04:23.980 was doing I was always on I would study with him we did we did the the the square

01:04:29.040 tables to one square two square three square and he would he could get up to

01:04:32.540 like 25 square to 30 squared just rattle them up and so we spent a lot of time on

01:04:37.640 numbers and math and reading and education it was always a huge huge focus and and I

01:04:43.060 kind of looked the other way on a lot of things that that he was doing as long

01:04:47.300 as the grades were good and they were always good he was always an A or B

01:04:50.980 student he did fantastic when he said he wanted to go to University of Colorado I

01:04:55.440 paused because you know I'm a libertarian and I believe in I don't believe anyone

01:05:03.140 should go to jail I don't think anyone should be go to jail for for using drugs I

01:05:07.820 just I'm I'm I don't care who you sleep with or what you smoke and just that's my

01:05:13.040 world and then it kind of hit me with my son like he wants to go to a place where

01:05:17.140 you know we know it's it's marijuana is prevalent it's it's a very uh it's a it's

01:05:22.860 it's a lifestyle and it concerned me and I and I knew he was smoking weed and um I

01:05:28.460 knew he was but his grades were good his grades were good and then we got that faithful

01:05:33.460 call one night and uh can I can I jump in and just and just walk you through that a

01:05:39.200 little just so we can we can understand it so when he because I think about this

01:05:44.180 of course Eric as you know as a mother myself where do you draw the line and like

01:05:49.060 how much of of a leash do you give them when it comes to drugs and alcohol thankfully

01:05:53.940 mine are little right now but you know it's coming and and I know great parents who

01:05:58.820 have very different ways of approaching this you know some are like you know just

01:06:02.120 wait until college and some are like never and some are like I trust you to do the

01:06:06.900 right thing starting right now and and so like where so you were okay with pot when

01:06:13.080 he was I guess in high school but like how did you telegraph what was your messaging

01:06:17.580 around drugs and alcohol to him I think it was always um and again I may have been

01:06:25.640 erroneous but I I never saw anything other than than weed and I knew he kids in in the

01:06:31.280 neighborhood they smoke pot and they they drank I knew that I just knew that and I

01:06:34.320 never really like you know punished him for any of that stuff and it's again Megan

01:06:41.360 I was just he had a lot of friends there they seemed to be really nice kids and and

01:06:47.640 his grades are good and and I'm just I'm you know I look back and I was like did I

01:06:52.620 ignore any signs I don't know I don't know but his his my messaging was stay out of

01:06:58.600 trouble stay out of trouble with the law don't do you know don't do things that's

01:07:02.820 going to you know get you in trouble but keep keep your studies up and I felt if

01:07:07.060 he was able to keep his studies up he was going to be not venturing into things

01:07:11.420 that that were going to hurt him and he from everything I've heard you and others

01:07:16.220 say he was a happy kid like this wasn't some depressed you know down happy dour like

01:07:23.960 he was a happy very social loving kid one of one of the difficult things was

01:07:30.360 talking to his friends and and someone that said Derek I miss your happy dances

01:07:34.520 because he used to have these happy dances he does you know I see him on TV you

01:07:38.580 know people dancing funny with the pop in the in the and I and I just think back and

01:07:43.200 yeah it's hard yeah so September 8th 2017 you and Adrian this is your only child

01:07:50.700 Eric Chase you and Adrian are driving in the car and what happened

01:07:55.500 we got the call

01:08:12.380 the proverbial call that parents don't want we got it that no parent wants to ever receive

01:08:34.320 we're coming home from uh come home from a restaurant

01:08:37.200 I'm sorry love I can feel it

01:08:44.320 that's right uh so we get the call uh that he had uh he had uh taken what he felt was a

01:08:56.300 xanax that he bought on campus and it was laced with fentanyl that he didn't know he passed

01:09:04.960 I remember this so well and it was such a shock and and the thing I remember most about it Eric was

01:09:16.060 one thing everyone knew about you was how close you were with him how much you loved him you were one

01:09:22.460 of those dads who constantly talked about your child in a great way like just a big smile on your

01:09:27.120 face whenever you tell a story about him or just so generous in your view of him and and wanting

01:09:32.620 others to understand how great he was and and not that that should make it somehow impossible right not

01:09:40.100 that that that would ever make one family immune but it just seemed it seemed impossible seemed

01:09:46.220 impossible for someone that much of a light with that much love in his life to go so young and it's

01:09:53.580 such a such a senseless way you know such a damn fucking senseless way yeah yeah um yeah it was uh

01:10:04.540 it was a shock um there was another young man 19 years old also that went to a school about uh

01:10:13.420 20 miles away from eric was at colorado boulder uh this other young man went to a university of

01:10:20.420 denver about 20 miles away who died the same night from the same thing of a fentanyl uh laced

01:10:27.760 xanax that apparently there was a batch it's called a hot batch that was in the in the in the colorado

01:10:34.500 area and uh killed both of our sons this was a this was a navy officer's son it's just it's and so

01:10:43.420 you know i set up the arc chase foundation and and i've spent the last three years just trying

01:10:48.040 to create awareness about the dangers of of this of this of opioids generally but specifically

01:10:54.800 fentanyl i mean it's a it's a drug that that is just absolutely deadly a couple of grains of fentanyl

01:11:00.800 can kill a 200 pound person uh we don't need it there's no reason to have it in society it should

01:11:06.560 be it should be just banned completely across the board so anyway it's 50 times stronger than heroin

01:11:12.440 it's up to 100 times stronger than morphine it's the drug that killed prince the artist prince it's

01:11:18.640 it's incredibly powerful and they were handing it out like candy in way too many hospitals and

01:11:24.800 doctors offices for a while but so can you can i just ask you so like how does fentanyl get laced

01:11:32.760 into a xanax to police or others believe that was an intentional act by a drug dealer or like how

01:11:39.720 does that happen so the most of the fentanyl is produced in some 85 or 90 of the fentanyl is

01:11:45.940 produced in china and and there's these chinese labs that are are doing look-alike drugs and they're

01:11:50.740 they're using fentanyl to to strengthen the potency of of various types of other drugs like like like

01:11:58.880 xanax and and the scary thing is megan what i found is that the the drug dealers who've dealt a drug

01:12:04.900 that's killed someone because it's laced with fentanyl end up being the most popular drug

01:12:09.320 dealers around because they have the strongest stuff it's just you know we've been caught up in

01:12:13.880 the last year on on on uh covid and covid deaths but wait till you see once the the dust settles wait

01:12:21.880 to see how many opioid deaths that we're going to be dealing with again because they're happening

01:12:26.840 we're just not they're just not newsworthy right now because everyone's counting how many people are

01:12:30.980 dying from covid the problem is a lot of what's happening is all these these are young people

01:12:36.220 these are primarily young people under the age of 35 a lot of them are under the age of 25 who are

01:12:42.860 dying of these overdoses opioids are killing a lot of people it's not it's not as it was a it was a huge

01:12:48.460 story two three years ago it's kind of overshadowed right now by covid but it's an epidemic it's an

01:12:55.040 right it's a pandemic really the i pulled just a couple of numbers the the cdc says the rate of

01:13:01.300 overdose deaths is accelerating during this pandemic that it rose almost 40 percent from june of 19 to

01:13:07.240 june of 20 um more than 750 000 have died since 1999 from drug overdoses in 2019 alone more than 70 000

01:13:17.440 people died from drug overdoses 48 000 from opioids a stunning a stunning way to think about this is

01:13:24.600 overdoses yes um most of them are not all but most of them are opioid overdoses but it's it's literally

01:13:32.460 a full 737 airplane packed with people every single day plowing into the side of a mountain

01:13:39.820 killing everyone that's how many people are dying from overdoses every day in america and we'd be

01:13:44.300 talking about it if we're an airplane crashing every day but we're not talking about it that's right we

01:13:48.920 will we will what what what happened like did you ever find out who sold him the drug and was there

01:13:56.040 accountability for that person i couldn't i mean it was it was the boy left it with the boulder police

01:14:02.440 um it was just devastating it was just absolutely devastating um i don't i mean i see movies of

01:14:12.500 parents just going after it i just i i didn't it just took took everything out of me that wasn't

01:14:19.260 where you wanted to direct your energy how no i know you've told a story i i read you did a piece

01:14:25.860 in usa today and i've heard you talk about it many times but adrian your wife i think about her you

01:14:34.260 she was driving she was driving you pulled over you got the news she tried to throw herself out of

01:14:39.320 the car how she did she she did she threw herself out of the car uh on a on a busy roadway in long

01:14:49.300 beach island new jersey and we sat on the curb i pulled her picked her up and sat on the curb and uh

01:14:54.580 you know we we cried i understand i mean i understand i i think every parent out there

01:15:01.140 can understand that and like yet i look at you guys now and you seem good like you you seem

01:15:09.220 pretty good so can you describe that process of pulling yourselves both of you out of the depths

01:15:16.920 of that despair oh you're never out it's every day is like you wake up and go how are you gonna get

01:15:23.720 through today but so you don't get out but you you know you you live you have to if you don't live

01:15:30.240 you don't i mean you know they're they're obviously you know it's hard every day is is

01:15:38.220 every day there's something on tv there's a reminder there's there's reminders ever there's triggers

01:15:42.960 everywhere you just have to uh have to have to figure out a way to to pick yourself up and and

01:15:49.340 make it through a day make it through that's what it is you know this is a little controversial but

01:15:54.760 i didn't this was literally a a weekend it was labor day um and it was a friday night

01:16:05.420 labor day weekend and uh there was a storm coming up from like like a hurricane was on its way and

01:16:12.640 they were starting to shut down the airports and and i uh when we got the news i'm like we have to get

01:16:19.980 to colorado and uh you know a lot of people don't like me because of my friendship with donald trump

01:16:26.700 um trump called me and said airports are shut down you can have my plane if you need it to get

01:16:33.860 to go to colorado wow wow i you know that gives me pause too i have said before that he does

01:16:44.060 not really have the empathy gene you know like it's not really in him but maybe that's not true or at

01:16:52.400 least maybe it overlooks that he has a caretaker gene you know like he'll step in when his friends

01:16:58.820 need him because i've heard stories like that of him caretaking before anyway the so i have a a reason

01:17:08.420 to to be friendly with the guy besides uh you know his politics which uh you know it's been that

01:17:15.700 part's been that part's been rough but anyway so yeah it's it's it's uh it's it's you you get up and

01:17:23.360 and and and i i try and create awareness for the opioid mess that we have going on that's you've been

01:17:29.320 doing amazing on that i mean all the town halls but let me just ask you before we move on from it

01:17:35.180 because i know there were reports and i just want to make sure the audience is clear um that eric chase

01:17:41.520 died i think it was the same night that that you and fox news parted ways and and it was in the papers

01:17:50.680 and it hit the news there were there were allegations against you you denied you've defended yourself

01:17:55.940 vigorously and all of that and someday the audience will hear the full story on this and i look forward

01:18:00.040 to that day on your behalf um and there were some who quickly i mean o'reilly was one of them

01:18:08.320 suggested that eric chase died because of those allegations made against you i do want to say he

01:18:13.600 apologized and you accepted i mean you you live what you said earlier you are a forgiver you forgave him

01:18:18.500 but that's that's not true just for the record it isn't true it wasn't an intentional overdose

01:18:23.960 no no no no no no no um and thank you for for bringing pointing all that out so it was the same

01:18:33.100 day it was a couple hours after fox and i separated and and by the way it was amicable um and as the

01:18:40.780 media likes to do when i separated from fox i'm immediately you know stories start circulating

01:18:46.840 i'm there there there i would i i couldn't that night my son passed i couldn't defend myself i

01:18:54.520 literally had to cocoon for a year to to survive hold adrian and just cocoon for a year just to survive

01:19:01.220 um he he didn't die he didn't commit suicide o'reilly i and and i was just aghast when o'reilly

01:19:10.820 said that um i had filled in for bill 250 times i've known bill a long time never even asked me

01:19:18.580 never even never even said how you doing he just went ahead and made a media moment out of it by

01:19:26.900 saying that eric died because he uh you know for for whatever reason that i think he said because

01:19:31.840 the left-wing media beat me up so badly about separating from fox but it not he probably didn't

01:19:37.920 even know he said he died because of the allegations made against him he said and he said

01:19:43.420 and i know this to be true and to me i'll tell you eric my my impression was this is a guy who's

01:19:48.420 talking about himself and the pain he has suffered from allegations that have been made against him

01:19:53.440 and the pain his family clearly has suffered it doesn't mean they're they're not true in bill's case

01:19:59.220 um but i'm sure they've brought a lot of pain and he's brought a lot of pain um as anybody has who's

01:20:05.060 transgressed or made mistakes to their family anyway i thought my impression was he's trying

01:20:10.400 to work out something he's so angry about how the press just throws you know the they an allegations

01:20:16.140 made they hurl it around they don't fact check you're you're tarred with it they don't look into

01:20:20.460 the background of any of the accusers none of it and i and i think he was feeling indignant in his

01:20:25.080 own situation and sort of try to um not what's not project it's like they transfer it

01:20:30.920 onto you which was totally out of line i was i was i was it was nonsense i was aghast and i i

01:20:37.140 literally picked up the phone and called emily steel at the uh at the new york times and said

01:20:41.220 i don't know where he is because i was i was i was in connecticut hiding just trying to survive

01:20:47.700 but can you i have a statement and to that says bill o'reilly's completely wrong on this and that's

01:20:55.120 nonsense and my son died of an accident will overdose call boulder police if you want to but knock

01:20:59.980 yourself out but and so yeah i look he he did apologize i just don't know what he was up to

01:21:06.980 with that maybe it was just i have no idea i'm not even i'm not even going to speculate on why he did

01:21:11.500 that it was it's certainly not true and no one's ever suggested just and just for the record just in

01:21:18.100 case people want more proof of this um eric chase's girlfriend kayla openly told the police that eric

01:21:27.060 chased it she knew about the fox situation he knew about the fact he didn't seem overly upset about it

01:21:31.120 at all that he was always very happy very positive individual never ever talked to her about being

01:21:37.020 down or expressing any desire to hurt himself it's just it isn't true and people need to know that

01:21:43.680 and they also need to know it eric because it almost lets you off the hook as a parent if you think

01:21:49.320 that's that's what happened as opposed to the reality which is no no not you not you not you i

01:21:56.240 mean like me it lets one off the hook as a parent because you're like oh that special circumstances

01:22:02.000 and this is one of the points you've been very laudably trying to make for the last three and a

01:22:06.720 half years which is you got to get out of the not my kid mentality you and adrian never saw it coming

01:22:14.840 i know i got that from you and like can you just speak to that because i think most parents and

01:22:18.720 people listening to this right now are thinking well it wouldn't happen to my kid i would know

01:22:22.640 yeah so i i developed two lines on this on these tours of of the country well talking to parents

01:22:31.720 talking to kids and it's um before i do this can just tell you it was i want to just address

01:22:37.840 something it was the same day that fox and i separated and yes i did get bludgeoned by the media

01:22:42.680 but i had no fight because my son had just died so i couldn't explain in fact i probably didn't i

01:22:48.980 probably never explained the whole story i would love to do it with you on your show at some point

01:22:56.760 when i'm allowed to do it with regards to legally with fox because there's there's i i was i believe

01:23:04.480 there'll be a lot more to the story and a lot more understanding and maybe a lot more compassion for

01:23:11.020 what happened in to me and my wife on that day and leading up to that day well you know a lot of

01:23:16.860 explanation a lot i would i definitely would want to do with you megan you've you've been just amazing

01:23:22.600 and just a great person so i'm doing these tours um and i i came up with two lines into kids you look

01:23:29.780 i look right into their eyes and say guys one pill can kill one pill can kill and and and the reason

01:23:38.000 why that is is that it was a it was a one it was a fentanyl it was a xanax lace with fentanyl that

01:23:43.580 that had too much fentanyl and it killed my son it killed another young man 23 miles away from from

01:23:48.660 eric chase the same friday night um people need to know kids need to know if you put something if

01:23:54.980 someone says take this you're at a party take this understand that that could be the last thing you do

01:23:59.820 in your life and now it's it's kind of moments where kids look up and i've had moms call me and say

01:24:05.620 i had that conversation with my daughter and only because i heard you say it and it was

01:24:11.340 enlightening and she had no idea and this is in the so these are these are good things these are

01:24:17.700 nice good things that have happened but parents understand you pointed out not my kid's syndrome

01:24:24.340 is deadly is deadly my not my my kid is too smart too pretty the captain of the baseball team too white

01:24:31.580 too black too gay too straight to whatever to ever do something like that you're wrong there's there's

01:24:37.480 these kids are being thrown opioids in middle school even younger than middle school they're having

01:24:44.360 conversations about it stuff is passing across the you know at get-togethers understand your kid is not

01:24:51.800 too young to have this conversation and is not too cool too smart or too athletic to have that conversation

01:24:57.440 too about the dangers of of this stuff is there anything else that like i i already am talking to

01:25:05.240 my kids about it you know and you have to distinguish because uh for too long in this country we demonized

01:25:10.040 like street drugs that you get from some like heroin dealer in the back alley and then after the whole

01:25:15.300 opioid crisis unfolding in the 1990s we started to realize oh we're gonna have to warn about prescription

01:25:20.180 medications too we're gonna have to warn about medications that come in a bottle from a doctor

01:25:24.280 or look like they did you know like what as you say one pill one xanax which you know you watch one episode

01:25:30.700 of the real housewives and you see them talking about that drug like it's like it's a nothing you know

01:25:34.600 like it's a tylenol that has a feel-good component so they're they're being misled and it's up to us to

01:25:40.880 redirect but like one of the things that really bothers me about your situation is he was happy he was a he was a

01:25:50.220 happy kid and and i say again i think you want to believe like well unless my kids started to show

01:25:57.180 signs of depression i wouldn't have to worry about this it's not true so like as a parent do you just

01:26:03.100 keep having the conversation i mean is that the only way forward just keep talking unfortunately

01:26:07.860 that that that's it because it's it's it's beyond cops can't find enough of it they can't bust enough

01:26:15.140 people it it the there's the so-called war on drugs has obviously failed and that's that's not where

01:26:21.160 it's going to come from it's got to be dialogue you just have to create a an open dialogue with your

01:26:27.540 kids because they'll be able to hide if you're if you're pretending it's not happening they're going

01:26:32.000 to hide it and you won't know what's happening if it's happening and i'm not trying to to create a

01:26:36.300 situation where you're rummaging through their drawers because i don't i don't think that's healthy

01:26:40.080 either i honestly think if you're capable and as a parent i would you know i wish i'd done more of

01:26:46.120 it i just have the conversation keep talking keep talking get them to talk find out ways to get them

01:26:51.340 to talk just talk um that's the bet fortunately that's that's the that's the best weapon we have

01:27:00.560 as a parent is to have open lines of communications with our kids and it's unfortunately one of the

01:27:06.720 hardest things and it's one one things we we generally don't do as as adults at least in this

01:27:11.560 country i mean stories like yours serve as a springboard for that kind of discussion and i i

01:27:18.640 know you know that what you've been through eric chase losing his life has saved lives on untold

01:27:26.060 numbers of lives i'm sure that doesn't make it any easier but it is a hundred percent true

01:27:31.860 yeah yeah well hopefully we save a few more megan i mean the more the more we talk about the the more

01:27:38.860 lives there that are saved again i'll tell you the the phone calls from parents saying thank you for

01:27:43.580 for sharing your story because i had the conversation and in fact there was a situation that i'm gonna have

01:27:50.640 to talk about and and work out um those are life-saving stories those that's why that's why you put

01:27:56.640 yourself through it that's why it's not it's not easy as as the listeners know having listened to

01:28:01.900 this conversation not easy for you but you're doing it for us it's a completely selfless act

01:28:07.200 and to honor him so it's a noble act too i it's one of the many reasons i just deeply admire you

01:28:13.840 and and adrian too it's just always thinking about her thank you let me ask you this like at you were

01:28:21.540 off the news when this happened which actually was a blessing and then you got back into the news you

01:28:28.080 started doing you know your job again and was you were with sinclair what was that like because i'll

01:28:33.860 tell you i didn't suffer a tragedy at all but just being off the news for a couple of years

01:28:39.360 it was kind of delightful in a lot of ways just this the break from it because it can seem

01:28:45.280 when something big has happened in your life it can seem pointless it can seem like not the right

01:28:50.300 way to be spending your days and for me it took like these insane culture words words to get me

01:28:55.040 off the couch and sort of make me say oh no no i feel like my country needs me right now like as i

01:28:59.320 said at the beginning people like us get paid to talk about the difficult issues the ones that not

01:29:03.820 everybody feels comfortable talking about so i'm gonna go do that but how did it feel for you getting

01:29:08.180 back out there getting back on the horse i had to um you know it was it was like i said the

01:29:14.820 the perfect storm of of bad stuff happening to me happening in a day and i'll never forget i right

01:29:23.480 afterwards so i'm separated from fox and eric passes i get uh i come home and there are probably five or

01:29:32.400 six reporters daily mail tmz a local news like on my street i'm trying to figure out what's going on

01:29:39.860 there get to my i was living in a townhouse with adrian get to the townhouse and they're waiting

01:29:45.060 for me there i was like are you kidding me are you kidding me this is a photo opportunity for you

01:29:49.800 you know and i go inside and and we're sitting in in the apartment in the townhouse and and they're in

01:29:56.160 my first floor townhouse and they're in my backyard taking pictures into into my kitchen and living room

01:30:02.700 i was just like this just got awful this is off so i packed up adrian and we went to uh we rented a

01:30:10.760 place in connecticut and we just we we literally stayed try to stay under the radar in connecticut

01:30:15.520 but that that is is depressing too it's like you're you're out of your element you're out of your

01:30:20.740 family you're out of your social environment and so i just really needed to to get back on here and

01:30:27.800 just do something and sinclair was good enough to uh well i did i did about like you know six months

01:30:35.200 worth of town halls i did something like i don't know 15 or 17 town halls around the country which

01:30:40.460 is getting up on a stage we taped them we put them up on sinclair air which is kind of jumping a little

01:30:45.380 bit back into it and then at that point then then they decided they wanted more we we had plans to do

01:30:50.380 a a tv show which was going to be a five-day week show it ended up being once a week show so

01:30:56.220 so i needed to get back on and melania trump came to two of those with you and you know in any other

01:31:02.180 world she would have been celebrated for that but because trump orange man bad nothing nothing

01:31:06.880 right same as well she never grazed a magazine cover which was just insane she's incredibly gorgeous

01:31:10.980 she's literally a supermodel anyway you know about the double standard so all right so now you

01:31:16.460 you've decided to leave sinclair and now here we are to you and brett

01:31:22.820 i love this idea because it's you you don't have to worry about being canceled anymore you know like

01:31:32.340 that's one of the things i love about podcasting we can say what we want we can say whatever the

01:31:36.340 hell we want and if people don't like it they don't have to tune in if they do they can but you

01:31:42.200 you get to your point to the point where you basically are uncancellable and there's a real

01:31:46.020 freedom in that are you are you enjoying it so far and are you feeling that we've we've done

01:31:51.360 four episodes three weeks four episodes we once a week i i love it because sports is a passion but we

01:31:57.620 talk about culture we talk about bitcoin we talk about you know what's the latest kanye kimye thing

01:32:06.180 we just we talk about anything we have a lot of fun um it's a respite purposefully don't talk any

01:32:11.740 politics which is is refreshing um i i i i think there's another tv show probably in the works maybe

01:32:21.940 in the works on this cell phone right here right now which will be political but right now it's so

01:32:28.240 so megan so nice to take a breather from the toxic environment that politics is and has become right

01:32:35.080 now i want to get back into it i love it it's it's like i said i'm a provocateur i get it

01:32:40.000 and i want to get back to that but right now it's just it's almost like a vacation

01:32:43.960 wait are you breaking are you breaking news about a tv show or let me just clear that up are you

01:32:49.520 trying to telegraph you're going back to fox news no it definitely won't be fox ain't gonna be fox

01:32:58.260 but it's it's gonna be uh yeah yes so so yes and no yes to the tv show no to fox but

01:33:05.480 right now i'm having a ball with brett brett's hilarious by the way how's he doing he came on

01:33:12.080 my nbc show and he talked about you on i want to invite you on bowl it's called bowling with farve

01:33:18.120 yeah yeah we have some fun he's doing great he's he's uh he's just able to weigh in on everything

01:33:25.520 in a way you just have to laugh it's just he's a couple of guys shooting the shit in a locker room

01:33:30.400 upsetting feeling well when when you last left me when you were last on this podcast just doing

01:33:34.640 political commentary you were saying i want to do something like i want to be able to go talk about

01:33:38.460 like army hammer we were talking about his weird cannibalism thing you're about to go do that

01:33:43.120 which by the way is freaking bizarre the more we learn the more i'm like i i don't even look at arm

01:33:47.780 and hammer baking soda the same way anymore because that's his family that's why why anything in the

01:33:52.800 refrigerator that says arm and hammer brings back is weird i don't know i put together the rundown

01:34:00.580 because brett literally just shows up to the microphone five minutes before and just reacts

01:34:06.880 and it's just funny it's just he just you have to laugh and and the first you know 20 30 minutes of

01:34:13.660 the of the show is is sports related like we talked about jose canseco getting knocked out in 12

01:34:18.860 seconds and dave portnoy from barstool sports who sponsored the whole thing wants to sue jose and

01:34:24.700 we have fun with that kind of stuff or the or the the crazy lady yelling at lebron james from the

01:34:30.280 sideline the courtside karen i think they call her but that's the first half of the show on the second

01:34:35.160 half is is literally pulled from the headlines of daily mail new york post and other tabloids and

01:34:42.780 and it's kind of fun you know it's kind of it's kind of fun to hear brett and bowling way in on

01:34:48.760 wacky stuff absolutely and what's wrong with that right like what's wrong with having a little fun

01:34:53.560 that's one of the things i love about this medium is you really can take an emotional journey you know

01:34:58.420 you can laugh you can cry you can you can get real you can get deep into the news you can not touch

01:35:02.800 the news you can talk about issues it's like what whatever you want it's there for the taking and

01:35:07.380 the i feel like americans are ready for this they're i maybe it's just me but i just feel like

01:35:13.220 the constant vitriol talking heads that we see you know on fox and a lot of the prime time it's old

01:35:20.880 it's like it's tired for me it's just tired we can we can get back to that as in another

01:35:26.640 another time after you signed your deal just having some what's not signed that's the whole point

01:35:35.060 it's okay yes i got it you know this drill right well look i i'm i'd be excited to see you in any

01:35:42.140 forum but uh i i think what you're doing is great and i love that you and adrian have tried to turn

01:35:47.280 something so tough into something that will help the world that will be a force for good for all of

01:35:52.120 us and i and you know what you sitting out there having fun with is is a great way bowling with far

01:35:59.860 i know what it is i'm just joking um it's a great way to move forward right well thank you for having

01:36:07.980 me megan and i apologize for getting emotional in the middle part of this but uh you know it's still

01:36:13.100 it's still raw three years feels like you know every day but i appreciate i appreciate the ability to

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 19, 2021

Eric Bolling on Rush Limbaugh's Legacy, The Lincoln Project's Demise and his Crusade to Honor His Son ｜ Ep. 66

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