The Megyn Kelly Show - Erika Kirk on Continuing Charlie's Mission, Marriage Advice, and Power of Prayer, Plus Walter Kirn on UFOs and TDS

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00:00:30.580 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.420 Thank you all so much for coming.

00:00:45.100 Sit, sit, please get comfortable.

00:00:47.800 This is incredible.

00:00:49.460 I love you too.

00:00:50.680 I sincerely love you.

00:00:53.700 You guys, this is such a big night.

00:00:55.740 This is a huge one for us as a team.

00:00:58.520 I hope for you.

00:01:00.560 This is the last night of the tour.

00:01:03.020 And there is no place I would rather be.

00:01:07.780 I love you so much.

00:01:09.940 You guys know we announced this tour before Charlie.

00:01:17.620 And he was supposed to be with us in Bakersfield, California.

00:01:21.340 And then he was murdered.

00:01:24.840 And immediately we turned to the question of whether we should still go, right?

00:01:28.860 I mean, absolutely wound up being the answer.

00:01:33.320 But I'm not going to lie.

00:01:34.360 We had some long talks about it at home.

00:01:36.600 You know, my husband, my children, and me.

00:01:39.400 Is it safe?

00:01:40.360 Can we keep it safe for you guys, for us, for my team?

00:01:43.100 And the more we thought about it.

00:01:45.880 And, you know, my husband was not in favor.

00:01:48.860 And as my therapist said, your husband's behaving as your husband should.

00:01:53.160 You know?

00:01:53.720 Doug was saying the right things.

00:01:56.040 And then I had to say the right things for me.

00:01:58.180 And he's been totally supportive as soon as I made my decision.

00:02:00.320 But it became very clear to me, very clear to me, as Charlie's friend, as somebody who's

00:02:05.220 in the same industry as Charlie, and as somebody who has been fighting for the same principles

00:02:09.100 as Charlie for a very long time, there was no not doing this tour.

00:02:15.800 Let me tell you something.

00:02:18.640 It took guts for every single one of you and everyone who has shown up to all of the tour

00:02:22.980 stops to do it.

00:02:24.500 It's not just a matter of me putting myself on this stage.

00:02:27.380 It's a matter of you guys getting out there.

00:02:29.320 You understand the environment we're in.

00:02:31.540 Hell, just to declare yourself a conservative in this environment is actually an act of courage.

00:02:35.780 You know, Charlie liked to say, be a rebel.

00:02:37.880 Be a conservative.

00:02:39.180 That's what's rebellious.

00:02:40.900 That's what's cool.

00:02:42.500 Subversive.

00:02:43.440 Right?

00:02:43.720 The liberals control everything.

00:02:45.240 They control big media.

00:02:46.040 They control the movies.

00:02:46.760 They control the sports.

00:02:47.600 They control corporate America.

00:02:48.660 They used to control politics up until about 13 months ago or so.

00:02:52.860 Right?

00:02:56.260 And the best way to honor Charlie's legacy, truly.

00:02:58.900 These are not just words.

00:03:00.480 You see a lot of people posting things online like, for Charlie, for Charlie.

00:03:03.740 This one really is for Charlie.

00:03:06.540 We are here to make sure his assassin, the people who laughed about it, the people who

00:03:14.120 celebrated it, get the message that they can fuck right off.

00:03:21.840 Fuck off.

00:03:22.660 You can't stop us.

00:03:28.860 There are millions of us.

00:03:31.160 Millions.

00:03:32.920 I love you, too.

00:03:34.720 And I know, I know, God forbid, anything were ever happen to me, and I certainly pray,

00:03:40.000 Jesus, it doesn't.

00:03:41.020 You guys would be out there doing this for me.

00:03:42.720 I know you would.

00:03:43.480 I apologize to the people of Arizona and the Turning Point students who have been grieving

00:03:51.640 and have had to deal with the vitriol from these haters who say the terrible things,

00:03:55.540 but I am so encouraged that they are a minuscule number when you look at the groundswell of

00:04:02.700 support and revival and faith and unifying nature that's overtaken us all in the wake of Charlie's

00:04:09.560 death.

00:04:10.220 I feel much more united with the people who are here and the people who are fighting the

00:04:13.940 same demons we are than I do divided from people who are having a minor spat right now over,

00:04:19.120 yes, it's Israel, but we're going to get past it.

00:04:21.800 We are.

00:04:22.520 It's dividing with the Republican right.

00:04:24.260 We'll get through it.

00:04:25.140 We always fight.

00:04:26.200 We love fighting on the Republican side.

00:04:28.320 We love fighting in general.

00:04:29.340 Usually we direct all our ire at the left, and that feels good.

00:04:33.000 When we're in power, we don't want to start picking on each other.

00:04:36.480 Then we don't feel as good, but we're going to get through that because we have the same

00:04:41.000 basic fundamental values, and those values include knowing who your enemy is, and it

00:04:45.680 is literally the people who are firing bullets at us.

00:04:48.920 So it's a great way to end the tour with the beautiful people for whom I started it in

00:04:55.760 a way, and I know that this whole thing has hit you guys in a particular way, and that

00:05:00.900 long after the nation moves on, the people who are driving by the Turning Point HQ every

00:05:05.540 day are not.

00:05:07.920 You're still seeing the flowers line up, and you're seeing the stuffed animals line up,

00:05:11.460 and maybe some of you are lucky enough to see Erica Kirk pushing her baby in a stroller

00:05:15.760 or at the area park or grocery store, and she needs all your support.

00:05:20.380 They all do.

00:05:21.000 Turning Point needs your support.

00:05:22.600 She needs your support.

00:05:23.580 And all those of us in the public eye who are continuing on the fight and Charlie's

00:05:28.780 message needed to, so I seriously love you.

00:05:32.180 I'm so grateful to you all.

00:05:34.360 Here's what we're going to do.

00:05:35.460 We're going to have a little Q&A.

00:05:37.320 Then we're going to bring out Walter Kern, who, do you love Walter?

00:05:41.020 Have you totally fallen in love with Walter?

00:05:43.120 Love him.

00:05:44.440 And then we will have our guest of honor tonight, Mrs. Erica Kirk.

00:05:48.220 All right.

00:05:50.560 I love your shirt, madam.

00:05:52.120 Yeah, come on in.

00:05:55.580 Megan, thank you for letting us come here from Minnesota, me and my best friend Chad

00:05:58.940 Peterson, both Army folks.

00:06:00.700 God bless.

00:06:01.660 Minnesota.

00:06:03.160 Long ways.

00:06:04.160 I'm up there where the rocks and cows are, according to our piece of shit governor, and

00:06:09.120 I'm a retired sergeant major from the United States Army.

00:06:11.960 He should not.

00:06:12.820 Thank you for your service.

00:06:13.380 Go Army.

00:06:15.940 Very blessed to be here.

00:06:17.140 Thank you for that.

00:06:17.780 Thank you for all blessed Americans.

00:06:20.260 Well worth my service.

00:06:22.260 Now we found out that billions of dollars have gone to terrorists.

00:06:26.060 Yeah.

00:06:26.220 Will the federal government step in and go after this guy?

00:06:28.880 You being a former prosecutor, I don't know if you're a government or you're a private,

00:06:31.500 but...

00:06:31.800 I wasn't a prosecutor, but I aspired to be one.

00:06:33.980 I was in private practice.

00:06:34.980 Could they, could the state, could the government come in and say, hey, buddy, where's this money

00:06:39.240 at?

00:06:39.520 How do we get it back?

00:06:40.440 Potentially.

00:06:41.120 Yeah, potentially.

00:06:41.800 There could be government action here.

00:06:43.040 I mean, already the government has stepped in to eject all of these small

00:06:47.760 Somalis who were conducting this scam to take public funds and pad their pockets with

00:06:53.260 and send it off to terrorists.

00:06:54.860 So they're going home, which should have happened long ago.

00:06:57.400 And you saw the mayor there is apologizing to the Somali community.

00:07:00.040 What do you mean?

00:07:00.400 Was it just defrauded us?

00:07:02.140 Like, they've lost their ever-loving minds in Minnesota.

00:07:03.860 You've got to get out.

00:07:05.080 Get out of there.

00:07:06.640 Honestly, Tim Walz is too crazy.

00:07:08.880 Minnesota's lost his ever-loving mind.

00:07:11.380 Anyway, I hope something can be done more than that.

00:07:13.800 But I mean, I would settle for shipping them out.

00:07:15.720 Goodbye.

00:07:16.580 Enjoy Somalia.

00:07:17.540 Take Ilan Omar with you.

00:07:18.800 How are you doing, my friend?

00:07:26.180 How are you, my friend?

00:07:27.380 First and foremost, I love you, Megyn Kelly.

00:07:29.780 I'm a gay conservative.

00:07:31.560 All right.

00:07:32.620 A gay conservative.

00:07:35.540 Where do you direct me to lead my voice to bring change?

00:07:39.440 What advice do you give a gay conservative to move forward?

00:07:44.440 First of all, the divorce from the TQs needs to happen immediately.

00:07:48.900 Yeah.

00:07:49.560 Already done it.

00:07:50.340 Okay, good.

00:07:50.780 So we've got to speak up about that.

00:07:52.440 I mean, a strongly worded 10,000 letters to GLAAD and all the other organizations that

00:07:56.920 have totally abandoned LGB for the much weirder TQ would be in order.

00:08:03.000 But I think your call to duty is the same as mine as a straight American, which is get

00:08:07.580 out there and fight.

00:08:08.720 Gay, straight, we don't care.

00:08:10.020 On the right side of the aisle, we don't care about your sexuality, right?

00:08:14.060 It's the left that makes it all about that.

00:08:16.260 We don't care who you sleep with.

00:08:18.260 Just get out there.

00:08:19.000 And especially in Arizona, you guys are so important.

00:08:20.660 You live in a swing state.

00:08:21.480 You actually can shift the election.

00:08:23.340 And if we're going to have JD be 48 as we all want, we're going to need every single

00:08:27.440 one of you.

00:08:29.140 Yeah.

00:08:32.560 Thank you.

00:08:33.440 Hi, Megyn.

00:08:34.140 Hi.

00:08:34.400 I am your number one fan.

00:08:36.740 I'm another gay conservative.

00:08:38.960 I'm here with my beautiful wife.

00:08:40.560 Nice.

00:08:41.780 The question I have for you, I've been dying to wonder what your answer was on what you

00:08:47.100 thought of Trump's meeting with Mondami.

00:08:50.140 Oh, I didn't like it.

00:08:53.420 Did you guys like it?

00:08:55.280 No, I didn't like it.

00:08:56.740 I felt the same way as I felt when those morons over at Morning Joe went to Mar-a-Lago and

00:09:01.420 kissed the ring.

00:09:01.960 And like, that was kind of satisfactory because they were like, they had to bend down and

00:09:06.060 genuflect and they did it.

00:09:07.980 But I don't, Zoram Amdani is a radical.

00:09:12.220 I mean, he's a communist.

00:09:13.800 He was embracing the radical imam who testified for the blind shake who tried to bring down the

00:09:18.300 World Trade Center like he was, you know, this non-controversial nun.

00:09:22.400 And we elected him somehow as our mayor of New York.

00:09:25.320 And he was saying the nastiest things about Trump.

00:09:27.500 I mean, and then he shows up there like, right?

00:09:32.720 Like, what's happening?

00:09:34.020 I get Trump because he does that to everybody.

00:09:35.920 Like, he's gracious, notwithstanding what you read about him in the paper.

00:09:39.060 So I get why he did it.

00:09:40.240 But I'm confident by the fact that they will be fighting again in about two minutes.

00:09:44.400 Yeah.

00:09:45.280 And all will be right with the world.

00:09:47.080 Thank you.

00:09:47.740 Thank you.

00:09:48.180 Hello, Megan.

00:09:51.160 I'm here from, all the way from Canada.

00:09:53.380 Wow.

00:09:53.660 And I wanted to be here for such a historical moment after what happened to Charlie Kirk.

00:09:59.380 And the question I wanted to ask is, what can I do to make Canada better?

00:10:04.160 Oh, sweetheart.

00:10:07.180 That's going to be a tough one.

00:10:10.300 Oh, my goodness.

00:10:12.180 Well, um, I got nothing.

00:10:20.500 Do we have Turning Point chapters in Canada?

00:10:25.080 We can get one.

00:10:26.640 I have some connections with Turning Point.

00:10:29.020 I might be able to help you get this going.

00:10:31.080 Bit by bit.

00:10:32.080 That's all I can say.

00:10:32.700 Brick by brick.

00:10:33.860 Get another and another and another.

00:10:35.220 I mean, listen, it's no worse than the Upper West Side of Manhattan was for me.

00:10:38.900 Right?

00:10:39.080 And we are just as far left on the Upper West Side of Manhattan as Canada.

00:10:42.280 And what did we do?

00:10:43.820 Parents who were more conservative-leaning started to meet, like, kind of underground

00:10:47.080 to talk about our conservative ideals and how everybody was crazy.

00:10:52.220 And we kind of started to organize and started to make a difference in these woke schools.

00:10:56.620 And you guys can start that, too.

00:10:58.140 There really is power in numbers.

00:10:59.840 So don't be afraid to speak out.

00:11:01.520 And especially if you can get some other young people on your side,

00:11:04.500 they're going to have to listen to you.

00:11:05.980 They're going to have to.

00:11:08.160 Good luck.

00:11:09.180 Good luck.

00:11:09.820 God bless.

00:11:12.300 Hi, Megan.

00:11:13.160 Hi.

00:11:13.740 Love you.

00:11:14.460 Love you.

00:11:16.360 Wanted to know what you thought of Marjorie Taylor Greene resigning from Congress.

00:11:20.480 Oh, that's another one I'm so conflicted over.

00:11:22.400 I wish she'd stayed.

00:11:25.220 I wish she'd stayed the way she was before and also in Congress.

00:11:30.520 You know, I'm not sure what, I think she might be going through something.

00:11:32.660 I don't know.

00:11:32.840 Somebody was posting today that she's playing the long game.

00:11:35.140 She's separating from Trump where she can maintain her integrity and, like, not have

00:11:38.100 bent the knee to him and then resurface as, like, a MAGA leader when Trump exits stage

00:11:43.460 left.

00:11:43.740 Like, that's not generally how it goes when you cross Trump.

00:11:48.420 I think they could have made up.

00:11:49.640 He's already saying nice things about her on X.

00:11:52.020 You know, like, you got, trust me when I tell you, if you just wait him out, you can

00:11:56.200 come to a good place with him.

00:11:57.520 I wish she had done it.

00:12:02.740 Hi.

00:12:03.420 Hi, Megan.

00:12:04.100 My name is Ocean Rosso, and I'm a Turning Point USA chapter president.

00:12:07.840 Nice, Ocean.

00:12:08.760 Thank you.

00:12:12.920 My question is, I see a lot of apathy in my generation toward freedom and in America in

00:12:18.640 general.

00:12:19.540 How do you think we can combat the rise of democratic socialism threatening to end our way of life

00:12:24.880 in America?

00:12:25.500 That's a very good question, Ocean.

00:12:26.620 Thank you for what you do.

00:12:28.020 I mean, I think the best thing that could possibly happen to bring that message home

00:12:31.260 just happened in New York City.

00:12:33.040 You know, they're going to see, and they will see, because Zoran Mamdani will be the

00:12:36.920 Republican poster boy, what those policies do to a city or a state or a town or a country,

00:12:42.860 potentially, if we get AOC as our next potential president.

00:12:46.660 Don't laugh.

00:12:47.360 That's who the Democrats are actually putting their hopes on.

00:12:50.560 She's slightly scary.

00:12:53.160 She's a slightly scary person because she's very good at social media and she has a

00:12:56.600 way of communicating that's very effective, but she's a lunatic.

00:13:00.260 So it's quite scary.

00:13:01.880 But I do think that's, in some ways, I didn't want him and I much would have preferred anyone

00:13:06.280 other than him.

00:13:06.940 I mean, when I uttered the words, I guess you're going to have to vote for Andrew Cuomo,

00:13:10.780 I really, I threw up a little in my mouth.

00:13:13.560 But he's not a communist.

00:13:14.660 And I'm like, that's his tagline.

00:13:15.940 I'm not a commie.

00:13:16.920 Not a pinko commie.

00:13:18.400 Okay.

00:13:19.840 So let's just see what happens in New York City because I know the people who are on

00:13:23.240 the comms shop in Washington for the Republicans and they are salivating over this guy's policy

00:13:28.740 making.

00:13:29.280 So fingers crossed that that'll do it.

00:13:30.720 Thank you.

00:13:33.760 Hi, Megan.

00:13:34.660 Hi.

00:13:35.660 I'm leaving for the army in March.

00:13:38.320 Oh, God bless.

00:13:39.280 Good for you.

00:13:40.060 Thanks for doing that.

00:13:41.720 And I just wanted to know your opinion on transgenders in the military and also your opinion on the

00:13:47.500 Democrats stating that we no longer need to listen to the president on illegal things.

00:13:52.900 Yeah.

00:13:53.480 And just your opinion on that.

00:13:55.460 I'm against transgenders in the military.

00:13:57.080 There's no such thing as a transgender, by the way.

00:14:00.620 It's not a thing.

00:14:01.960 It's men pretending to be women or women pretending to be men.

00:14:04.620 But there's not a trans anything.

00:14:06.580 It's not a thing.

00:14:07.820 I'm against it because, look, the truth is that the vast majority of trans, like male

00:14:13.840 to female, are autogonophiles who are working on a sexual fetish.

00:14:17.480 Why would you have to be?

00:14:18.360 Why should you have to sit next to that?

00:14:19.820 Which is because you joined the army.

00:14:21.340 I don't want to sit next to anybody working out a sexual fetish.

00:14:24.220 You know?

00:14:24.560 Like, that's sick.

00:14:25.260 I don't want to be a part of it.

00:14:26.080 Take it in your bedroom.

00:14:27.400 Take it wherever you want.

00:14:28.160 But don't take it in a public space or at the army.

00:14:30.960 And it's just too difficult to ferret out which ones have genuine gender dysphoria and

00:14:35.360 which ones are working out their sex kink on you.

00:14:38.240 So it's a no.

00:14:39.900 There are many other things they can do.

00:14:41.700 Right?

00:14:42.040 That's my answer.

00:14:43.380 As for my answer on the disobey the orders, it's disgraceful.

00:14:47.380 It actually is going to get people killed.

00:14:49.800 You cannot tell American soldiers that they don't have to obey the commander in chief and

00:14:53.740 leave it up to them to figure out which orders are the good ones and which orders are the

00:14:56.920 bad.

00:14:57.660 Those senators and lawmakers are actually literally endangering our troops and shame on them.

00:15:07.560 Hi there.

00:15:08.200 Hi, Megan.

00:15:09.380 Hi.

00:15:09.640 My question to you is, is there a difference between America first and being an isolationist?

00:15:19.080 Interesting.

00:15:20.840 I guess so.

00:15:22.880 I think so.

00:15:24.300 I mean, I think Trump would say he's America first, but he's not an isolationist.

00:15:28.320 You know, Trump, he's pretty quick to drop the bomb if he thinks he needs to.

00:15:33.200 Like, look at 1.0, right?

00:15:35.620 Like, Soleimani.

00:15:37.060 And then 2.0, the whole Iran nuclear program thing.

00:15:40.660 That's not really isolationist exactly.

00:15:43.020 But it is America first, right?

00:15:44.800 He did not believe that Iran should have the bomb.

00:15:47.320 He believed it wasn't good for America.

00:15:49.480 It wasn't good for Israel, which is an ally.

00:15:51.880 So he did it.

00:15:52.520 So I think that's why Trump did it.

00:15:54.620 But if you look at the more truly isolationist wing of the party, you know, maybe JD's a little bit more isolationist.

00:16:01.880 Tucker certainly is more isolationist.

00:16:03.740 Young people are much more isolationist.

00:16:05.480 They've, you know, they've had it with the forever wars.

00:16:07.820 So I do think there's a little difference there.

00:16:09.540 Anyway, thank you for that.

00:16:10.540 That was an interesting question.

00:16:13.120 Hi.

00:16:13.680 Hi, Megan with a Y.

00:16:15.120 I'm Sarah with an H from Cincinnati.

00:16:20.520 How you doing?

00:16:21.440 So I work in the financial services industry, and I would love to get more involved politically.

00:16:29.120 However, the current regulations prevent me from being able to contribute any sort of monetary contribution to any political affiliation.

00:16:39.820 What advice would you give to someone who's kind of shackled by government regulations and not being able to get involved?

00:16:46.220 Well, the money is the least of what you can do, right?

00:16:49.400 I mean, you're limited in how much you can give anyway.

00:16:52.060 But I think far more effective, especially, are you from Arizona?

00:16:55.920 Where are you from?

00:16:57.140 Cincinnati.

00:16:58.560 Oh.

00:16:59.840 Well, Ohio is still kind of swingy.

00:17:02.260 Not exactly.

00:17:03.020 But you also appear willing to travel to Arizona for important events.

00:17:06.980 So I would urge you to potentially get down here with a bus and get people to the polls on Election Day.

00:17:13.060 Like, that's way more impactful than actually donating your $3,500 bucks.

00:17:16.560 Consider doing that.

00:17:17.600 Because actually canvassing or getting out there, distributing literature or just speaking out, if you are able to post online, if you're able to go door to door, if you're able to just get your voice out there and start convincing people, not shouting at them, that's fun too.

00:17:28.980 But, I mean, the main thing is to convince them.

00:17:32.120 You know, show them actual stories on, like, the trans issue or what have you or the affirmative action or, you know, health care.

00:17:38.200 That would be very helpful.

00:17:39.280 That's the way you can do it.

00:17:40.860 Okay, quickly.

00:17:41.340 Okay, no, I guess so.

00:17:42.640 Sorry.

00:17:43.240 Outside business activities are also something that has to be approved by our employers in order for us to be able to participate.

00:17:51.440 Maybe this is a question for Layne Woods.

00:17:52.600 I don't think this is an outside business activity.

00:17:54.360 What do you mean?

00:17:54.680 This is not business.

00:17:55.860 They can't stop you from politicking.

00:17:58.420 I hope not.

00:17:59.160 No, that's an infringement on your rights.

00:18:01.120 I think I would challenge that policy.

00:18:03.380 One thing at the office, quite another when you're on your own time.

00:18:05.880 That does not sound like an appropriate or a sustainable policy.

00:18:09.680 Agreed.

00:18:10.040 Thank you.

00:18:10.580 Thank you.

00:18:11.340 Hi, Megan.

00:18:12.720 Hi.

00:18:12.900 I'm Kirsten all the way from Michigan.

00:18:15.660 Nice.

00:18:16.860 My question is, Muslim populations in places like Dearborn, Michigan, pursuing a deliberate strategy of outbreeding native Westerners, aiming to demographically overwhelm and eventually supplant our Judeo-Christian civilization through birth rates and sustained immigration.

00:18:35.860 Essentially, my question is, what can we do in terms of immigration and prioritize those who will embrace our traditions and better America?

00:18:47.240 That's a very good question.

00:18:47.800 That's a very good question.

00:18:48.400 That's a very good question.

00:18:48.800 That's a very good question.

00:18:49.360 Very good question.

00:18:50.020 Very timely.

00:18:50.660 Thank you.

00:18:51.340 I'm sorry for what's happening to Michigan.

00:18:52.920 I can't believe my eyes.

00:18:54.560 Minnesota too.

00:18:55.220 Minneapolis.

00:18:55.880 But Dearborn, Michigan is like lost.

00:18:57.360 First of all, the non-Muslims need to have a lot more babies.

00:19:04.480 That's just true.

00:19:05.980 We do.

00:19:06.500 I mean, when the guard is down and the more radicalized Muslims tell you what their plan is, it involves having six to ten children so that a generation from now, they're in the majority.

00:19:18.220 And they start it by city to city and take over states, and then before you know it, they're a majority in the country.

00:19:22.500 And we don't want that.

00:19:23.620 And there's no reason we need to want that.

00:19:25.420 We don't have to be shy about saying we don't want that.

00:19:27.880 That Islam is not consistent with fundamental Western values, period.

00:19:32.180 Learn it.

00:19:32.840 Love it.

00:19:33.340 Say it.

00:19:33.860 Embrace it.

00:19:34.300 It's not that we don't love our Muslim neighbors.

00:19:36.040 I've got Muslim friends.

00:19:37.340 No judgment on them and the way they choose to practice their religion.

00:19:40.100 But their religion happens to be a political doctrine as well.

00:19:42.560 It's very entangled.

00:19:44.440 And they just don't stand for the same things that we do in the West, like free speech, like separation of church and state, like women's rights.

00:19:49.840 So we have to say no.

00:19:50.920 We have to stop electing these people to positions of power.

00:19:53.640 And we have to stop the immigration pipeline from countries that don't share our values.

00:19:58.060 And we have to do what Trump did, which is eject the ones who are here taking advantage of the rest of us, especially when they're funneling money back to other Muslim terrorists.

00:20:05.340 So that's my two cents.

00:20:09.320 Hi, Megan.

00:20:10.160 Hi.

00:20:10.720 I just drove in from Texas.

00:20:12.740 I had to be amongst my people because...

00:20:14.620 Yes.

00:20:14.920 It feels so good, doesn't it?

00:20:17.380 One of the main reasons I needed to come to see you is because I've been diagnosed with a really terrible disease called masculine toxic...

00:20:24.180 Toxic masculinity?

00:20:25.440 Yes, thank you.

00:20:25.860 Oh, I'm so sorry.

00:20:27.460 So sorry.

00:20:28.580 My question is on legacy media.

00:20:31.000 You've said over the past months that it's dying.

00:20:36.300 Do you see it coming back because of the, you know, how our podcast network is, but, you know, and you think either there, but do you see them coming back?

00:20:45.780 I don't.

00:20:46.940 No.

00:20:47.160 No, I think the MSM is over, dead, and dying.

00:20:52.140 I do have something that will cure you of your toxic masculinity.

00:20:56.560 She goes by the name of Katie Porter.

00:20:58.260 I think if you watch a bunch of videos, she's going to change you.

00:21:03.380 You're going to have some sort of a sea change.

00:21:05.240 But no, I don't think the MSM is coming back.

00:21:07.000 Do you?

00:21:07.860 It's funny, actually.

00:21:08.800 I'm enjoying watching them try now that they realize we have all the market power and that we actually spend money and have money.

00:21:16.100 And now they're trying to get us by being, like, more moderate.

00:21:18.600 You know, CBS is trying because Barry's there, and she's trying to make it more moderate.

00:21:22.320 Okay.

00:21:23.040 CNN's trying a little.

00:21:24.640 And they're like, okay, it's too late.

00:21:26.820 They already showed us that they hate our guts.

00:21:29.840 Why would we take in any news from them, right?

00:21:32.760 Who the hell wants to watch, sorry, but Jake Tapper or any of these people who have betrayed us and has fed us a bunch of bullshit, and we know they loathe us and our children?

00:21:43.600 It's a no.

00:21:44.220 So, no, I have no hopes for them whatsoever.

00:21:47.320 All right, we'll take one more.

00:21:48.460 We'll take one more.

00:21:49.040 Sorry to you guys waiting in line, but we want to get our show on time.

00:21:52.560 Hi, my name is Tiffany.

00:21:54.040 Hi.

00:21:54.280 My question is, there's so much chatter around Epstein now and whether Trump was involved or he wasn't, and it's on the heels of the P.

00:22:02.580 Duddy trial.

00:22:03.760 And I don't think most people really care about whether Trump was involved.

00:22:07.480 We care about the butterfly effect.

00:22:10.380 Who are all the other names who we don't know about?

00:22:13.060 Do you think they'll ever come out?

00:22:14.340 That's a very good question.

00:22:17.520 I don't know.

00:22:19.800 Yeah.

00:22:20.160 I do think that power tends to protect power.

00:22:23.720 I think we've heard some names.

00:22:25.680 You know, like, wouldn't you like to know more about Les Wexner?

00:22:29.820 The Victoria's Secret guy?

00:22:31.840 The Bed, Bath & Beyond, right?

00:22:32.840 Was it Bed, Bath & Beyond?

00:22:33.640 One of those companies.

00:22:34.620 But definitely Victoria's Secret.

00:22:36.280 Bath & Body, thank you.

00:22:37.540 It was different.

00:22:38.240 I don't like to know more about him.

00:22:41.200 I was surprised at the Larry Summers reveals, right?

00:22:43.980 This guy's teaching at Harvard.

00:22:45.160 He was, like, buddy-buddy with Epstein all the way up to the day Epstein was arrested.

00:22:50.200 I mean, like, it's bad enough when you're fraternizing with him after he pleaded guilty to molesting a minor.

00:22:57.000 This was something different.

00:22:58.420 By the time we get to 2019, the Miami Herald report had broken.

00:23:01.420 They knew about the three dozen girls who had come forward again.

00:23:03.700 So these people are sick still associating with him.

00:23:06.480 So I don't know.

00:23:08.560 Like, some have been hiding in plain sight.

00:23:10.340 And then I just want to put this out there because I don't want to get to, like, Me Too Salem witch trial-y over Epstein.

00:23:18.060 It is also possible that the guy didn't have a ring of, like, sex-trafficking friends, that it was just him and maybe a couple of very bad judgment perverts nearby, but not, like, a huge ring.

00:23:30.920 You know what I mean?

00:23:31.880 And so we have to be open to that possibility because I just want to be, like, you don't want to see anybody who is, like, friends with Epstein but didn't molest somebody find themselves with a scarlet letter.

00:23:43.220 Like, we can't, we have to remember how we went overboard during Me Too as we learn these names that we think are about to get released.

00:23:48.600 Just for the sake of the men who are innocent but may have known the guy.

00:23:53.060 Just, like, having gone too far in Me Too, I feel like there's just a note of caution there.

00:23:57.280 But for the actual scumbags who touched a girl, any girl, yeah, let's throw the book at them.

00:24:01.960 Let's shame them.

00:24:02.720 I have no problem seeing them lose their jobs at Harvard.

00:24:05.100 I have zero sympathy for them, and I look forward to seeing it, actually.

00:24:09.240 Thank you.

00:24:09.900 Thank you all.

00:24:10.540 Okay, I'm going to get our show on the road because Erica is still hoping to get home in time to put the kids to bed.

00:24:19.780 I know.

00:24:21.660 So I'll have to talk to her later about what time a 17-month-old needs to go to sleep because this is, you know how it is when you're young.

00:24:27.700 It's 7 o'clock, off you go.

00:24:29.920 But my first guest, you're going to love.

00:24:32.460 So I didn't know Walter Kern that well, but then he started going on with Matt Taibbi once a week.

00:24:36.860 And they had such a no-nonsense, no-BS kind of podcast where they talked about everything.

00:24:42.200 And they're both kind of disaffected Democrats.

00:24:44.140 Do you know that?

00:24:45.160 Like Matt always, he never says who he voted for, but it's clear he was of the left and he was a Democrat.

00:24:50.280 And Walter was too.

00:24:51.840 He's of Hollywood.

00:24:53.360 Do you see the movie Up in the Air with George Clooney?

00:24:56.060 Guess what that was based on?

00:24:57.460 A Walter Kern book.

00:24:58.320 He's this very successful Hollywood, you know, author and Hollywood writer and like his career was on fire.

00:25:05.540 And he was pretty committed liberal, not leftist, but liberal.

00:25:11.700 And then his turn came right around 2016.

00:25:15.620 And that is fascinating because it's very few leftists who became righties in 2016.

00:25:20.520 A lot of righties went the other way, right?

00:25:23.100 So what did it?

00:25:23.820 Well, he's going to explain it to you in a couple of minutes, but he has gone on to write this newspaper called County Highway.

00:25:30.420 It comes out six times a year.

00:25:31.400 It's amazing.

00:25:31.960 You should definitely subscribe.

00:25:33.040 He's doing the podcast with Matt Taibbi and he's become a superstar now.

00:25:36.500 He's all over the place.

00:25:37.480 He started coming on our show.

00:25:39.040 Now I can't, I can barely book him anymore.

00:25:40.840 He's on real time with Bill Maher.

00:25:42.660 They're trying to get him all over.

00:25:43.620 No, it's a no.

00:25:44.400 He's ours.

00:25:44.860 A little intro to Walter Kern, and then we'll bring him out.

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00:27:08.920 The Trump-Russia scandal, which was really Hillary throwing a S-H-I-T fit over having lost,

00:27:16.960 is, you know, less real than one of my novels.

00:27:20.300 James Comey is trying not to become a bully.

00:27:23.300 I struggle with how to stand up to bullies without letting their meanness infect me.

00:27:27.880 It's so creepy.

00:27:29.600 It's like some strange person or vice principal trying to relate to you, you know.

00:27:34.900 They've got you in a room.

00:27:36.760 You're 13 years old.

00:27:38.740 Oh, hello.

00:27:40.040 Why you gotta be so mean?

00:27:41.620 Get out of my fucking shot.

00:27:44.040 The lady in the back was used to this abuse.

00:27:46.600 You could tell.

00:27:47.780 She didn't jump or anything.

00:27:49.480 It was just another day at Katie's.

00:27:51.580 Yes, yes, we should have.

00:27:53.500 We didn't get the grace that I think some other families have gotten.

00:27:58.140 Still complaining?

00:27:59.800 She acts like she was persecuted after becoming First Lady of the United States.

00:28:05.160 That is the greatest honor so far, short of female president, that can go to a woman and to her husband.

00:28:13.780 Even electing you president won't get you off our case?

00:28:18.000 For me, the news of Sidney Sweeney is that heterosexuality is legal again.

00:28:23.960 The idea that it was about her skin or her blue eyes.

00:28:27.100 I'm sorry, as a red-blooded American male, it's not her blue eyes or her skin that I first see when I look at that picture.

00:28:37.800 Please help me welcome Walter Kern.

00:28:39.780 I haven't been in Phoenix in 50 years since I was a 9th grader at Central High School.

00:29:00.420 I'm glad to be back.

00:29:02.240 Wowee.

00:29:03.400 Because you're a Midwestern boy.

00:29:05.300 I was a Midwestern boy.

00:29:06.700 My dad decided we were going to become a Southwestern family.

00:29:09.780 In 1976, it didn't work out.

00:29:13.120 And that's how you wound up in Montana.

00:29:14.620 What's that?

00:29:15.120 That's how you wound up in Montana.

00:29:16.560 I wound up in Montana because I was a guy who lived in New York City, was educated in England, in Princeton, New Jersey.

00:29:24.600 Lived all my life as a young guy after I left home among what you would call the East Coast establishment.

00:29:31.760 And I wanted to drive a truck again.

00:29:34.780 So, I moved to Montana.

00:29:37.280 And I realized that I'd, like Dorothy, come home.

00:29:41.260 And I haven't left.

00:29:42.760 So, you do go out into the wild every once in a while, like you're here.

00:29:46.720 And something interesting came up on my ex-feed today, Walter.

00:29:51.020 I don't know why it took as long as it did.

00:29:53.100 I don't know if any of you saw this.

00:29:54.720 But apparently it's from a good year ago or so.

00:29:57.160 Yeah.

00:29:57.340 And Walter was with Matt Taibbi and they were in an airport.

00:30:00.460 And I'm just going to play the soundbite and let you get a little taste of our friend here.

00:30:04.500 Do you regret now that it's going MAGA on Twitter that you did the shoddy coverage of the Twitter files there?

00:30:11.260 The shoddy coverage?

00:30:12.880 Well, I mean, it was shoddy in that obviously there was MAGA stuff.

00:30:17.180 Dude, get out of my fucking face.

00:30:18.680 I'm not in your face.

00:30:19.540 Get out of my face.

00:30:25.060 So good.

00:30:25.840 That's because I'm a Vikings fan.

00:30:31.500 That was amazing.

00:30:33.000 Everyone else always does the like, oh, I'm not going to engage.

00:30:36.560 What made you just get over there and get on his grill?

00:30:39.720 Well, my real name is Walter the Fish Kern.

00:30:42.940 And Joe Pesci is my hero.

00:30:46.060 And that Joe Pesci can stand up next to Robert De Niro and be even tougher than him is inspiration to little guys like me.

00:30:53.720 So when this guy started in about five minutes before he turned on the camera, because that's the gorilla viral video technique, get them all wound up and then catch them at their worst moment.

00:31:05.500 But it might have been my best moment.

00:31:07.780 Yeah.

00:31:08.440 No, I think if you had it to do over, you'd do the same thing.

00:31:11.360 What was Matt's reaction?

00:31:13.520 Matt's a Pisces.

00:31:14.700 Does anybody understand astrology?

00:31:17.280 I'm a Leo.

00:31:22.060 Matt is six foot five and he doesn't have to worry about little people wearing cheese hat head.

00:31:28.000 I, however, am slightly threatened by them.

00:31:31.920 So unless I win right away.

00:31:35.540 It's like the Lhasa Abso versus the Great Dane.

00:31:38.660 Yeah.

00:31:38.920 Okay.

00:31:39.520 So now I set it up in the intro about how you used to be in like a normie dem, a normie liberal.

00:31:46.780 And then more than that, I wrote I was the national editor for the New Republic magazine.

00:31:52.460 You know, I don't think they've gone one cover for 15 years without making fun of Trump or so on.

00:31:58.420 Right.

00:31:58.980 I was at Spy magazine in the 80s, a magazine in New York City, which was almost devoted entirely to making fun of Donald Trump back when he was a Playboy real estate developer.

00:32:09.740 So I was a gold plated liberal.

00:32:12.680 The problem was I couldn't keep lying about certain things.

00:32:17.360 It's tough.

00:32:17.980 That will make it tough.

00:32:19.200 So but what when did the veneer come down?

00:32:21.600 Like, what was it?

00:32:22.400 How how in 2016 did you go from the left to the right?

00:32:25.400 It was just you.

00:32:27.440 Well, Obamacare costing me a couple thousand dollars a month didn't help.

00:32:33.980 People are about to feel that acutely.

00:32:35.980 You know, pocketbook issues for a middle class freelance writer who's trying to raise a family are very important.

00:32:43.340 But I think what really happened was this Russiagate business.

00:32:47.300 When I and all these other journalists were expected to sign off on the notion that Donald Trump was an agent of the Russian president.

00:32:57.000 And the only thing that was preventing me from spreading that news was evidence.

00:33:02.360 I kept I kept asking for it.

00:33:07.200 I begged my colleagues.

00:33:08.660 I said, you're all leaving on the good ship, you know, Trump derangement syndrome.

00:33:13.080 I want to go along.

00:33:14.060 Just give me a reason.

00:33:16.020 And they said, well, we all know he is.

00:33:18.400 I said, but how do we all know?

00:33:19.800 Who told you?

00:33:20.560 Well, and it broke down.

00:33:22.940 And suddenly I realized that I had spent my life not getting rich, but building up my integrity.

00:33:27.620 And I was not willing to sacrifice it over what I knew to be a lie.

00:33:32.460 Think of that.

00:33:35.280 That's a story of one person only.

00:33:37.760 Literally nobody in the industry had the integrity to do that, Walter.

00:33:41.000 It's like plenty of us on the right stayed on the right, notwithstanding some objections to Trump or whatever they were saying.

00:33:46.300 But no one on the left saw the lies and said, I'm out.

00:33:49.900 So how has that affected your life, especially as, you know, a big Hollywood person?

00:33:54.600 I got real friends.

00:33:56.660 That's how it affected my life.

00:34:01.220 You know, this isn't about me, but when you go to Princeton University, grow up in a small town in Minnesota, and you see the world spread out before you.

00:34:09.340 You know, the fathers and mothers of your classmates run major corporations.

00:34:13.560 Hell, some of them run foreign countries and are just here, you know, on a study abroad program.

00:34:19.180 You think, I want to join.

00:34:20.480 I want to join the party, the world party.

00:34:22.700 You know, I want to go to Davos someday.

00:34:25.400 But the problem is that the compromises of the truth, of your own integrity, of your vision of how life works, get in the way.

00:34:36.120 And you can either sacrifice them and go along to the party, or you can keep them

00:34:41.040 and stay with the people who also tell the truth.

00:34:44.600 And now I have better friends, the people who were only around me for professional reasons,

00:34:51.320 or because we'd gone to college together, or, you know, ate at the same fancy restaurants.

00:34:55.900 They've all gone away.

00:34:57.760 But I'm on the Megyn Kelly stage at age 63.

00:35:01.180 Yes.

00:35:02.140 With all you beautiful people.

00:35:04.260 Yeah.

00:35:04.500 Well, and as you've watched your former party over the past 10 years, you must be really glad to have nothing to do with them.

00:35:11.940 I'm just going to guess, because I got to know you a little bit since we've been doing shows together.

00:35:16.760 I'm going to guess that this person, whose soundbite I'm going to play here, she goes by the name of Jasmine Crockett,

00:35:22.600 does not speak for you.

00:35:24.040 But you tell me.

00:35:24.880 Let's see what we can glean from this.

00:35:27.500 Honestly, they're about to outlaw the idea of white supremacy and white hate.

00:35:35.000 Like, they are about to be like, oh, that's not a thing.

00:35:37.700 Forget the fact that you're talking about getting rid of, like, the classification for nooses

00:35:43.500 in a time in which we have seen these random black bodies be strung up down south.

00:35:49.800 Also, seemingly at a time in which you're back in office, because what you do is you embolden the hate.

00:35:58.760 You embolden everybody to take off their hoods.

00:36:01.740 That is what he has done.

00:36:03.300 He is the one that is producing this violence.

00:36:06.920 Okay.

00:36:07.840 Is she talking to me?

00:36:11.000 I mean, I feel accused every time she gets on the stage and I didn't do anything.

00:36:15.700 Totally.

00:36:17.060 I grew up in Minnesota where the only minority was Lutherans.

00:36:24.220 I came out of my youth without a trace of prejudice.

00:36:28.300 She's trying to get me to have it for the first time.

00:36:31.840 Yes, she's doing her level best.

00:36:33.620 And the nonsense about their stringing up black bodies?

00:36:36.020 Wait a minute.

00:36:36.620 Okay.

00:36:37.120 Hello?

00:36:38.400 1950 called and it wants its history back.

00:36:40.940 There was one young African-American person who died by suicide in a hanging incident.

00:36:47.620 By suicide.

00:36:49.000 She wants...

00:36:49.620 She's trying to start a race war.

00:36:51.420 Suggesting it's whites who did it.

00:36:53.400 And we're back to the Jim Crow era.

00:36:55.080 And things are just that bad.

00:36:56.040 And they're going to outlaw the idea of white supremacy?

00:37:00.080 How the hell do you do that?

00:37:01.840 You can't get ideas out of anybody's head.

00:37:03.240 This is just made up stuff trying to aggravate people and create division.

00:37:06.740 You know, liberals used to love ideas and they used to love diversity and true difference.

00:37:13.080 But now they've become a monolithic, uniform, dictatorial party which wants to police language,

00:37:20.100 police pictures, police every bit of our culture.

00:37:23.860 They're dulling it down to the point where we can barely go to movies.

00:37:26.940 We can barely watch TV shows.

00:37:28.840 The music isn't good.

00:37:30.160 The books aren't good.

00:37:31.300 And it's all because of people like this who are trying to make us ashamed 24-7.

00:37:35.760 We're Americans.

00:37:36.920 We're here to have fun.

00:37:39.340 So right.

00:37:41.200 Isn't that so true?

00:37:42.400 It's like Noah Rothman wrote a book a couple years ago calling them the new Puritans, the woke left.

00:37:49.660 They really are Puritanical.

00:37:51.720 They're miserable and they want us to be too.

00:37:54.600 And they'll find whatever label they can throw on us just to ruin our party.

00:37:59.060 Right?

00:37:59.300 They look at us like the Republicans are the cool kids having a great time at the prom.

00:38:02.780 And these are like the nerdy losers who are hanging out in the smoking section who are like putting little pins in the voodoo dolls of the fun ones.

00:38:13.240 She's a big bummer.

00:38:14.380 You know, when I finally got out of Minnesota and met a few people of other races and other things, I thought they were loose.

00:38:23.180 I thought they were fun.

00:38:24.100 I thought the new things about, you know, self-expression and so on.

00:38:27.760 I thought they were free.

00:38:29.400 I don't want to be put back in a box by this kind of scolding.

00:38:33.680 It's like a horrible kindergarten teacher.

00:38:35.700 The problem about black bodies is there are a lot of white bodies.

00:38:40.780 I was in Las Vegas yesterday walking down a not particularly good street.

00:38:44.960 And it's strewn with white bodies.

00:38:46.900 I can't even tell if they're dead.

00:38:48.560 They're in such bad shape.

00:38:50.520 This country is full of casualties of the kind of policies that this woman espouses.

00:38:57.140 And I'm for picking up all bodies off the street and I'm for them not getting there in the first place.

00:39:05.680 And I think that the world that she's painting for us is going to lead to a lot more suffering, a lot more misery, a lot more despair.

00:39:16.440 She's not going to get me to feel guilty about the fact that I want something more for myself, my brothers and people of every race.

00:39:25.700 When I was at Central High School in Phoenix, we had so many gangs.

00:39:29.280 We had Hopi gangs.

00:39:31.020 We had Navajo gangs.

00:39:33.500 We had diversity and a portrait of America that was far beyond, you know, even what we can imagine in that inner city.

00:39:42.820 We all got along.

00:39:44.200 We didn't have politicians trying to drive us into conflict like this.

00:39:48.360 It's horrible.

00:39:49.940 Hopi gangs, that's amazing.

00:39:51.860 They were nice.

00:39:53.040 Hopi gangs were like mellow, you know.

00:39:56.700 I'll tell you about that story some other time.

00:40:00.120 The other thing that you and I have talked about recently that is back in the news is the possibility of other life forms here on Earth.

00:40:08.300 Is it just my feed or is this coming up in your social media and like your life more these days?

00:40:14.340 No, it's just me.

00:40:15.260 Okay.

00:40:15.820 But I'm in news and I talk to Walter, so that's what's happening.

00:40:19.880 Well, my old pal Brett Baer over on Fox News just did this interview.

00:40:24.060 Okay.

00:40:24.460 Yes, we like Brett.

00:40:25.580 And he interviewed like the god of UAPs.

00:40:30.780 That's what they call them now.

00:40:31.520 What used to be called UFOs.

00:40:33.000 Yes.

00:40:33.300 They got an upgrade.

00:40:34.260 Former Air Force guy.

00:40:36.560 Just listen to this soundbite.

00:40:38.240 Watch.

00:40:38.440 I don't like to characterize necessarily where they came from.

00:40:41.180 They're definitely some kind of non-human sentience.

00:40:43.400 But it is true.

00:40:44.660 Believe it or not, we've recovered the vehicles and we actually have physical proof.

00:40:50.460 And I was actually partially cleared into some of those activities.

00:40:53.940 It was beyond oral testimony provided to me.

00:40:57.120 I actually had partial access to the data and actually read the intelligence reports resulting

00:41:03.120 from those programs.

00:41:04.460 With your own eyes, you saw it.

00:41:06.300 Yes.

00:41:07.920 All right.

00:41:08.580 Now, that's extraordinary because my understanding is this is not some kook.

00:41:12.500 This is not some crackpot.

00:41:13.420 This is a former Air Force.

00:41:14.560 And he's saying he actually saw the vehicles and some sort of non-sentient being.

00:41:20.360 No, sentient beings.

00:41:21.940 Non-sentient beings are Jasmine Crockett.

00:41:24.160 But sentient beings have awareness and thought.

00:41:31.260 But this is something you've been reporting on.

00:41:33.200 You've been paying attention to.

00:41:34.280 So in the spirit of Charlie Kirk, I decided I would do nothing but tell the truth when

00:41:39.140 I came out here tonight.

00:41:43.260 I was invited to be on his show a couple of months before he died and I declined.

00:41:47.780 That should give everybody pause.

00:41:50.040 Take every opportunity you have with good people.

00:41:53.060 Because they might not be around forever.

00:41:56.860 Dave Grush is a friend of mine and he's a source.

00:41:59.360 And I've known him for three years.

00:42:00.980 I was texting him in the green room.

00:42:02.660 I said, what can I tell Megan's audience?

00:42:05.220 He said, the problem with the aliens is that we care a lot about them, but they don't care

00:42:12.980 a lot about us.

00:42:13.860 In other words, we're still exploring this universe.

00:42:19.660 The gorilla was only discovered in the middle of the 19th century.

00:42:23.960 It was a mythical being that they finally discovered in the jungle.

00:42:28.240 They found bodies and so on.

00:42:29.960 I'm convinced, and I hate to tell you this, that Dave is telling the truth.

00:42:34.740 And that against great pressure and great mockery, he's trying to describe our actual world to

00:42:43.340 us.

00:42:43.860 It's a world in which we have not made all the discoveries yet.

00:42:47.960 Now, he often compares them to mountain lions.

00:42:50.960 He says, do you believe in mountain lions?

00:42:53.400 Everybody would say yes, right?

00:42:55.160 How many of you have actually seen one?

00:42:56.820 I have seen one.

00:42:57.840 You've seen one?

00:42:58.460 In Montana.

00:42:59.640 Okay.

00:42:59.960 Well, I am convinced that this isn't a psyop, that this isn't what conspiracy theorists

00:43:09.620 call Project Blue Beam, an attempt to dazzle us all with a false god that will bring us

00:43:14.920 all under, you know, slavery of some sort of world government.

00:43:19.380 I think that very rarely, but somewhat commonly over the years, going back through human history,

00:43:27.000 we have been visited by beings of other types.

00:43:31.840 It's a big universe, one we barely understand.

00:43:34.820 We're very young.

00:43:37.060 We're going to learn about, I can promise you this, we're going to learn more about this.

00:43:41.360 And in the same interview, he tells you that Donald Trump knows a lot about it.

00:43:45.300 That's my information, too.

00:43:46.660 If you know anything about Donald Trump, he can't, he will not avoid bragging about what

00:43:54.680 he knows before he, so I expect him to be the president who tells us what we haven't

00:44:01.860 heard.

00:44:02.580 So what, can you just like outline it for us more clearly?

00:44:06.200 Like what exactly is he telling you they've seen?

00:44:09.220 They've recovered craft that have crashed.

00:44:14.880 Some of those craft have fought each other.

00:44:17.580 In other words, people say, how could they crash?

00:44:20.140 They come across the universe.

00:44:21.780 Well, we're not so sure they'd come all that far, frankly.

00:44:24.780 We're not so sure they don't have places nearby to come visit.

00:44:29.460 They're a little bit like gardeners from the descriptions of the people I've had as sources.

00:44:34.880 They check on the garden every once in a while, but they have their own business.

00:44:39.280 They have their own family fights.

00:44:41.260 They have their own voyages.

00:44:43.760 Now, what he's talking about are actual bodies on the ground.

00:44:48.280 I imagine there's going to be a day where you're going to sit down in front of your television

00:44:52.020 and people who you trust, scientists, politicians, ones who don't necessarily agree with each

00:44:59.880 other on everything, but do agree on something like the truth, will bring forward the evidence.

00:45:05.420 You will be convinced.

00:45:06.500 It will not rock your world if you're a religious person.

00:45:09.860 You can handle it.

00:45:11.100 If you've read the Bible, there are all sorts of creatures in there who aren't explained.

00:45:15.120 If you believe that these are a demonic presence, I don't think they are any more than certain

00:45:19.840 animals are.

00:45:21.400 But, you know, there was a time when we thought we were alone in the universe, almost as a planet,

00:45:25.760 that the sun revolved around us and so on.

00:45:27.880 But we survived the revelation that it was the other way around.

00:45:34.940 We'll survive this.

00:45:36.420 It'll be interesting.

00:45:37.600 Kids will be more interested in science.

00:45:39.320 I think our universe will light up for us again.

00:45:42.480 They've kept it to themselves for, I think, obvious reasons.

00:45:48.980 And I spoke to someone just recently.

00:45:52.320 I said, how should they first disclose this?

00:45:55.480 And he said, they should take the craft that they've reverse engineered that have capacities

00:46:01.140 that you and I don't know about and fly them over Phoenix.

00:46:03.820 And, in fact, that happened because the Phoenix Lights is one of the great UFO scares of all

00:46:10.840 time, if you know about it.

00:46:12.740 So I predict that's going to happen, and I don't think it's going to be all that long.

00:46:16.840 And I think after all the movies and all the, you know, pop culture, we're not going to

00:46:22.360 be all that shocked by it.

00:46:23.480 I think we'll integrate it, and it's not going to destroy our civilization to find out.

00:46:28.920 I have an idea for them to integrate into the United States in a way, and the world,

00:46:32.880 the earth, that's going to make everybody really happy.

00:46:35.540 It's going to make things non-controversial.

00:46:37.160 People are going to be in favor of their addition to our way of life.

00:46:40.900 They just have to start by grabbing one of us.

00:46:42.960 I nominate Elizabeth Warren.

00:46:44.880 Just you take her.

00:46:46.240 She's gone.

00:46:48.280 She probably was part of that Hopi tribe at your high school.

00:46:53.940 And we can all get behind that idea.

00:46:56.000 Another unifier.

00:46:57.220 The problem with if Trump announces it, the liberals won't believe him.

00:47:00.800 I mean, Trump could lay out absolute proof of this thing, and half of the people wouldn't

00:47:07.620 believe it.

00:47:08.100 Just like, you know, they went and grabbed Tylan all the minute it seemed like he was

00:47:11.660 against it.

00:47:14.060 That was insane.

00:47:15.520 Yeah.

00:47:16.180 Listen, I actually kind of hope you're right.

00:47:18.560 I hope they actually have found something.

00:47:20.000 I'm here to tell you, in the spirit of truth-telling, that I am right.

00:47:23.660 Oh.

00:47:24.740 What do you think?

00:47:25.360 Like, are we in favor of actually seeing these crafts and these bodies, if they exist?

00:47:29.700 Should our government show them to us?

00:47:31.520 Yeah.

00:47:32.040 I want to know.

00:47:33.400 They look like giant frogs.

00:47:35.880 I'm not kidding you.

00:47:36.900 Hmm.

00:47:37.400 So it's not Elizabeth Warren.

00:47:39.140 There are different kinds.

00:47:41.420 Okay.

00:47:42.040 Yeah.

00:47:42.760 And on that note, we have to say goodbye to Walter, so we'll just let you dream about

00:47:45.720 that tonight.

00:47:47.080 Thank you so much, my friend.

00:47:48.600 Thanks.

00:47:48.940 Such a pleasure.

00:47:50.780 Thank you, Megan.

00:47:51.780 We'll see you.

00:47:52.220 Thanks so much.

00:47:52.920 Walter Kern, everybody.

00:47:56.380 So great.

00:47:59.340 Next time somebody harasses me in the airport, I'm pulling one of those.

00:48:02.200 I'm sure Doug will be thrilled.

00:48:05.100 You know how it is, ladies.

00:48:06.040 We start it, but the men have to finish it.

00:48:10.760 So, I don't know what to say about Erica Kirk that you don't know.

00:48:17.360 All I can tell you is that since Charlie died, I've wanted nothing more than to be with her

00:48:25.020 and talk to her and hold her.

00:48:28.580 There is something about Erica Kirk that is deeply spiritual, and she just seems closer

00:48:36.340 to God than the rest of us.

00:48:38.640 And I don't know if this is a trait she's had all her life, if this has been imbued in her

00:48:44.800 since she became more religious, or since she lost Charlie, because that's when she and I

00:48:51.080 became friends.

00:48:52.240 I had met Erica prior to Charlie's death, but we didn't know each other.

00:48:55.900 And since then, I have had this incredible urge.

00:48:59.260 It's a strange urge, because I have this huge urge to take care of her, to make sure that nothing

00:49:05.440 happens to her, not from the media scoundrels, not from the terrible leftists who are hating,

00:49:12.560 and certainly not from anybody who actually wishes to do her or her children, God forbid,

00:49:16.140 any harm.

00:49:16.980 But I also have, at the same time, this wish to be near her so she can heal me.

00:49:23.780 Do you know what I mean?

00:49:24.780 And I don't know, you guys, like, I kind of feel like this whole tour, trying not to get

00:49:33.720 emotional already, was in part to heal me, and maybe some of you too.

00:49:42.120 You know what I mean?

00:49:45.560 We suffered a severe loss in September, a severe loss that affected us all, I think very deeply

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00:49:54.780 But no one more than Erica and their two children.

00:49:59.000 We have done our best to prepare a reel for Erica that will give you a flavor of her, which

00:50:08.720 I know you've already gotten a taste, but we're going to give you a bit more, and then we'll

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00:52:12.500 I know what every guy is thinking in the audience.

00:52:14.900 How do I get a wife like Erica?

00:52:16.320 I know that's what you're all thinking.

00:52:18.160 And the answer is you don't deserve it and I don't deserve it.

00:52:20.500 It's by God's grace, that's the answer.

00:52:23.900 I have to say this without getting emotional, but I'm very proud of my husband.

00:52:27.480 You have worked so hard.

00:52:28.900 And I know a lot of you have seen, obviously, his videos on TikTok and all the stuff he does

00:52:34.220 on campus.

00:52:35.240 All right.

00:52:35.900 You guys know how it works.

00:52:36.960 We're going to do questions for a couple hours here.

00:52:39.300 No one gets to see him from my angle except for myself and our children.

00:52:44.520 He's amazing.

00:52:54.760 I'm very blessed.

00:52:55.460 And I would not have been able to do any of it without Erica.

00:52:58.460 And that's the real truth.

00:53:00.960 Charlie always said that when he was gone, he wanted to be remembered for his courage

00:53:05.340 and for his faith.

00:53:06.700 Charlie loved, loved life.

00:53:08.980 After Charlie's assassination, we didn't see violence.

00:53:15.960 We didn't see rioting.

00:53:18.980 We didn't see revolution.

00:53:22.000 Instead, we saw what my husband always prayed he would see in this country.

00:53:26.740 We saw revival.

00:53:28.420 That man, that young man, I forgive him.

00:53:52.080 The movement my husband built will not die.

00:53:56.340 It won't.

00:53:57.000 I refuse to let that happen.

00:54:01.100 No one will ever forget my husband's name and I will make sure of it.

00:54:06.640 I love you, baby.

00:54:09.660 Rest in the arms of our Lord as he blankets you with the words,

00:54:14.800 I know your heart always strives to hear.

00:54:19.680 Well done, my good and faithful servant.

00:54:23.720 I can't wait to see you again one day.

00:54:27.000 Please welcome Erica Kirk.

00:54:37.860 You spoke the truth, you gathered the youth, you showed the proof, you raised the light,

00:54:57.820 and you were right.

00:55:01.260 Hey Charlie, now it's all wrong.

00:55:06.680 How could you be gone?

00:55:08.560 How do we stay strong?

00:55:10.340 It's been way too long.

00:55:12.340 We had to do the fire.

00:55:15.540 Charlie loved those fireworks so much.

00:55:18.800 That really is for Charlie, the fire.

00:55:20.800 Anytime.

00:55:21.520 That's the signature of a Turning Point USA event.

00:55:23.940 More pyro.

00:55:25.100 He would do the walkthrough and they would do the pyro and he'd be like, more.

00:55:28.300 More.

00:55:28.860 It's very funny.

00:55:29.720 Louder.

00:55:30.440 More.

00:55:31.280 Do we do the fire after this beautiful tribute?

00:55:33.680 People are going to be feeling emotional and like, fire it up.

00:55:35.780 Fire it up.

00:55:36.660 Charlie would want it.

00:55:37.760 Same with at the memorial.

00:55:39.960 You know, everyone, everyone got the fire.

00:55:42.600 Everyone got the sparks.

00:55:44.160 The fire makes a nice difference.

00:55:46.780 So let me.

00:55:47.140 It's everyone in the crowd ready.

00:55:48.300 Let me ask you a question that my friends who have lost somebody say is the right question.

00:55:52.260 How are you doing today?

00:55:56.340 Well, we talked about earlier this week how it was a, it was an emotional week for me.

00:56:03.360 The firsts are always so interesting because the firsts are either like your first date,

00:56:11.460 you know, your first kiss, your first.

00:56:13.840 And then with loss, it's like the first birthday, the first holiday.

00:56:19.500 You know, it was Erica's birthday this week.

00:56:21.000 Yeah.

00:56:21.480 Yeah.

00:56:22.820 Happy birthday.

00:56:24.120 It was yours too, wasn't it?

00:56:26.820 Yeah.

00:56:27.180 There you go.

00:56:28.220 Happy birthday to you.

00:56:29.280 Thank you.

00:56:30.580 This is our birthday celebration together.

00:56:32.760 You guys are all just happening to be here while we have coffee.

00:56:37.460 But every day is different.

00:56:43.440 Let's sing happy birthday.

00:56:44.480 We sang to you last night.

00:56:45.820 I saw that.

00:56:47.120 Poso was so sweet.

00:56:48.280 Sorry, two nights ago.

00:56:49.120 Why don't we?

00:56:49.660 May we?

00:56:49.980 Happy birthday to you.

00:56:54.980 Happy birthday to you.

00:57:00.480 Happy birthday, dear Erica.

00:57:06.540 Happy birthday to you.

00:57:11.080 Many more.

00:57:14.620 Many more.

00:57:15.420 I told myself I wasn't going to cry.

00:57:17.960 Hard not to.

00:57:19.260 So this was the first one.

00:57:20.880 And you're right.

00:57:21.520 The first.

00:57:21.920 And we're back to go into a season of firsts, which is always challenging.

00:57:25.180 And I know you can relate to this because you lost your father at a really young age.

00:57:31.060 Every day is different.

00:57:34.400 But I am so grateful that my husband, he's hand-selected the village that surrounds me now.

00:57:43.220 You know, he built Turning Point USA, yes.

00:57:46.720 And it's a machine, yes.

00:57:48.160 But he hand-picked all of the people that not only run the organization, but that were within our orbit, our closest orbit.

00:57:56.620 The people that he loved and he trusted so much.

00:57:58.820 And that he knew without a shadow of a doubt if something happened to him, that they would step up.

00:58:04.400 And they would be filled with the Holy Spirit and they would do what he knew they were born to do.

00:58:11.240 And they wouldn't be afraid.

00:58:12.900 They wouldn't cower.

00:58:14.760 They would take on the mission that he had instilled in them.

00:58:19.400 And so to be able to have that chosen family in that village that he helped literally hand-pick, I could not do a fraction of a fraction.

00:58:30.060 They've been amazing.

00:58:30.820 Turning Point is in such good hands.

00:58:32.560 Because, yes, obviously with you as the CEO, but the team that you have around you, all of whom I've met, are good and decent and loving people who adored Charlie.

00:58:41.900 They loved him.

00:58:43.400 Loved him.

00:58:44.200 Let's go back, before we get into your relationship with him and your future, to you.

00:58:51.700 Because I think people are very curious about you.

00:58:53.700 I think they want to know more about you.

00:58:55.740 So I know that, obviously, you were Miss Arizona.

00:58:59.560 Hello.

00:59:00.560 Nicely done.

00:59:01.280 Very, very top selection.

00:59:05.320 And that you were a businesswoman in New York when you first got interested in Turning Point.

00:59:09.700 So what were you doing in New York?

00:59:11.720 So to go back a little bit further, I mean, right now, first and foremost, I'm a daughter to the king, the most high.

00:59:21.180 That's the most important title, if you will.

00:59:26.980 And my husband, in August, before all this happened, he had a event where he had some donors at.

00:59:39.160 And one of the first questions they asked was, God forbid, if something happens to you, what would happen next to Turning Point?

00:59:52.620 And Charlie made a really interesting point.

00:59:54.880 He said, companies, you know, example, Apple, Macintosh.

01:00:01.880 He said, they're founder-led.

01:00:06.160 He said, but what I have built is, well, one day, if I'm not around, be vision-led.

01:00:13.320 And he had made mention at the end, like, you know, Erica will do a great job running it.

01:00:19.060 And when I watched that video this week, it really put into perspective my youth and what I went through growing up and what I witnessed, you know, my mom having her own company and being a single mother and watching her be the blueprint of, you know, I'm not afraid of raising my children alone because I saw my mom do that.

01:00:47.420 I'm not afraid of being a CEO because I saw my mom do that.

01:00:52.300 The only thing that I fear to be fully transparent with you is being out of the alignment of God's will because I feel like that is a very dangerous position to be in.

01:01:03.600 And so for me, growing up, when I was in New York, it was one of those moments where I really trusted God.

01:01:12.660 That's where I needed to be.

01:01:13.560 I prayed on it at first because originally I was living in L.A.

01:01:16.140 and I said, Lord, if this is where you need me to be, make it so clear.

01:01:22.380 Bought a one-way ticket to New York.

01:01:24.380 One suitcase.

01:01:25.360 My mom was like, what are you going to do when you're there?

01:01:27.380 I was like, I'll figure it out once I get there.

01:01:28.960 I just know that's where the Lord needs me.

01:01:31.280 And so many people questioned that.

01:01:33.260 They said, you're such a strong Christian.

01:01:35.120 Why would you go to such a dark city?

01:01:37.940 And I said, the more that you take the light out of a dark place, the darker it gets.

01:01:41.900 So that's where I'm going.

01:01:44.160 And I was there.

01:01:45.920 Yeah, but when I moved to New York, my brother said, why would you want to move to New York?

01:01:50.780 And I said, it's the big city of dreams.

01:01:52.440 And he said, scary, nasty, wake up in the middle of the night screaming dreams.

01:01:57.800 So I get it.

01:01:59.640 So you were working in New York for a while.

01:02:01.900 And then you went back to Arizona to apply for the Turning Point job?

01:02:04.980 So I was in New York.

01:02:08.680 I was a casting director.

01:02:10.820 I was assigned with a modeling agency.

01:02:13.240 I had just gotten my real estate license three months prior to meeting Charlie.

01:02:20.020 And rewind a little bit.

01:02:22.560 I went to Turning Point's office opening for their first building.

01:02:28.260 And Tyler, he runs Turning Point Action now.

01:02:34.740 And he said, you need to meet the CEO.

01:02:38.300 I said, OK, great.

01:02:39.460 Met him very quickly.

01:02:41.040 Shook his hand, said, hi, nice to meet you.

01:02:43.000 Neither of us thought anything of it.

01:02:45.560 Looking back now, he apparently sat down with Tyler and said, we need to hire her.

01:02:50.380 Tyler said, we need to hire her.

01:02:51.960 And he goes, mm-hmm.

01:02:53.800 Then he's like, where does she live?

01:02:56.120 And Tyler said, New York.

01:02:56.980 He's like, OK, I'm going to have a Fox News hit.

01:03:00.760 And then I'm going to sit down with her and interview her in New York.

01:03:05.240 So lo and behold, he comes to Manhattan.

01:03:08.060 And I thought I was so career-minded.

01:03:12.280 My mother raised me to, and this is why I can relate a lot to the Manhattan mindset of a lot of young women,

01:03:22.500 where it's career-oriented, because my mom used to tell me, don't feel like you need to rely on a man for life and work.

01:03:34.740 And so my mindset, my healthy marriage example was my grandparents.

01:03:42.560 But my mindset was career, career, career.

01:03:45.140 career, when I met Charlie, the only reason I sat down with him, because I thought it was a consulting position for work.

01:03:52.960 I was not thinking, I did not date in Manhattan.

01:03:54.920 I saw the pits of hell of the dating pool through my roommates, and I was not touching that with any longest pole you can imagine.

01:04:05.440 I stayed far away from the dating pool in Manhattan, so I viewed it as, obviously, the job interview that it was supposed to be.

01:04:13.920 And the Lord knew I just, Charlie, in some way, similar to how he sees things in a lot of people,

01:04:24.020 in some way, beautifully saved me from a huge mistake of putting career over family and career over husband.

01:04:36.500 Because it's easy to do when, as a female, when you see bright lights, big city, but he, the Lord used him.

01:04:46.240 The Lord used him for me.

01:04:47.540 How long did it take you to fall in love with him?

01:04:48.920 He, that's the funny thing, is it was, it's so interesting, because when we were sitting there, I fell in love with how brilliant he was to be able to articulate what he believed in.

01:05:07.140 And when he said, I'm not going to hire you, I'm going to date you, I knew that was the Lord, because there were so many times where I said,

01:05:16.840 that my future husband that's out there, he will literally, it will be, the only reason why I look up is because the Lord says to look up,

01:05:26.900 and that was something to look up to when someone's like, I'm going to date you.

01:05:31.300 And so I just, but honestly, it was the constant consistency of, I'm here for you.

01:05:38.740 So, you know, the little texts in the morning, and then it just continued to grow in a beautiful way.

01:05:44.900 So, yes, love at first sight, yes, obviously, but I, again, my mindset wasn't there.

01:05:49.600 His was, so you think of it, you're in an interview, you have to totally do a 180 of a mindset.

01:05:54.780 But I, honestly, where, like, the depths of the love started was when we were playing basketball together at the gym, just shooting around together.

01:06:04.020 By the time we saw that video where he introduced you as his fiancée, and the two of you were staring at each other.

01:06:11.500 Oh, I was obsessed. I'm still obsessed with him.

01:06:13.780 Not break your gaze. I mean, that, that's, I think, as the kids would say, hashtag goals for virtually everybody who wants love in their life.

01:06:21.180 So you, you did get married.

01:06:23.240 Yes.

01:06:23.940 You have two kids.

01:06:25.320 Two precious babies.

01:06:27.020 And you told me this in private, but how many kids did you guys want to have?

01:06:32.740 We wanted to have four.

01:06:36.420 Yeah.

01:06:37.940 And I was praying to God that I was pregnant when he got murdered.

01:06:43.720 Oh, wow.

01:06:45.440 I thought of that once.

01:06:47.700 Just like, whether it was meant to be, or whether we'd get news like that.

01:06:51.960 I was like, oh, goodness, that would be the ultimate blessing out of this catastrophe.

01:06:56.780 Um, so now when I see young couples, I tell them, please, like, don't put it off.

01:07:06.960 Especially if you're a young woman, don't put it off.

01:07:09.460 You can always have a career.

01:07:11.660 You can always, you know, go back to work.

01:07:16.220 You can never just go back to having children.

01:07:19.180 And, and they grow so fast and so quickly, but I just, I was praying.

01:07:25.760 Both of us were, we, we were really excited to just expand our family.

01:07:29.540 Thank God you have the two.

01:07:31.040 I know.

01:07:31.640 Thank God.

01:07:32.440 You know, I know one day they'll find out right now.

01:07:35.560 They're just, you know, little loves.

01:07:37.560 And one day they'll find out that they're Charlie Kirk's children and they'll know what

01:07:42.500 that means, you know, so I wanted to ask you, Erica, because you are so faithful, whether

01:07:57.300 you, you had any premonition that something was going to happen to Charlie, because I really

01:08:03.260 do see you as connected more so than the average, than the rest of us to God.

01:08:08.640 And I just wondered, did you, did you have any sort of a feeling?

01:08:13.820 We always, we see the thing is, is that I guess we just operate differently.

01:08:18.260 We always knew there were threats.

01:08:19.520 We always knew that there were people out there that hated us with deep, deep passion

01:08:27.540 of hate, but it didn't scare us.

01:08:31.480 Never.

01:08:32.260 He was never afraid of that.

01:08:33.920 Neither was I.

01:08:35.060 Obviously we protect our children.

01:08:37.040 You know, we don't, we don't show their faces on the internet, so that's very intentional.

01:08:41.600 But I think we lived our life in such a way where if that was our last day, it was our

01:08:50.360 last day.

01:08:50.780 Like we always lived as if it was the last day.

01:08:53.020 That's why Charlie's speeches were so good, because he didn't know if that was going to

01:08:57.920 be his last speech.

01:08:59.060 And he was so intentional about every word, every word had a meaning, and every speech

01:09:11.460 had a connection point for the students and for whoever he was speaking to.

01:09:16.800 And that's why he never missed the opportunity to weave the gospel into what he was saying.

01:09:20.620 Yes, that's what made him so much more powerful than the rest of us.

01:09:23.840 If you see the difference between Charlie Kirk and many of, you know, the right-wing pundits

01:09:28.480 or commentators, it's that he supercharged the message that the rest of us were saying

01:09:33.800 with biblical references, with faith-based wisdom, which made it 10 times more powerful.

01:09:40.360 And people knew it, you know?

01:09:42.100 It's one of the things we're all missing right now.

01:09:44.180 But to answer your question, you know, we always knew there were threats.

01:09:50.000 We always knew that that could be a possibility.

01:09:53.720 But obviously, you know, but we never lived in fear of when that day would be.

01:10:02.000 We just trusted the Lord every day.

01:10:06.440 You know, now, of course, in the wake of Charlie's death, many are living under threat.

01:10:11.500 I mean, the nutcases have gotten very loud and emboldened.

01:10:16.660 And I just wonder whether it was the kind of threat, like, environment that you needed

01:10:22.060 to actually worry that something could happen.

01:10:23.780 Or was it just the din of, like, there are haters out there.

01:10:26.560 You get these nutcase letters sometimes, you know?

01:10:30.180 Was it something like, no, it's actually getting really serious and we need to worry?

01:10:33.680 Or was it just the din of, like, hmm?

01:10:36.240 No.

01:10:36.540 I mean, you would see, obviously, leading up to that, there was several shootings.

01:10:41.480 There was several individuals with guns on campus.

01:10:44.080 So you knew that the threat was there and things were starting to heat up.

01:10:49.140 But, again, it wasn't anything that, you know, you would think any different.

01:10:55.220 Acute.

01:10:55.740 No.

01:10:56.420 No.

01:10:56.840 I know that the morning he died, he went back into your room.

01:11:00.340 He had slept in your daughter's room because he got up in the middle of the night and she

01:11:03.960 got up in the middle of the night.

01:11:04.680 There was a switcheroo.

01:11:05.440 They all got snacks.

01:11:06.200 We've all been there.

01:11:07.080 Yeah.

01:11:07.760 But he came back into your room and he got his necklace and he got his wedding ring,

01:11:11.240 right?

01:11:11.460 In the morning.

01:11:11.840 And his necklace had a cross on it and it had St. Michael's medal.

01:11:16.400 Yeah.

01:11:16.900 I wear it every day.

01:11:18.440 It's right.

01:11:18.660 Yeah.

01:11:19.120 Wow.

01:11:20.340 Oh, it's so beautiful.

01:11:21.740 Yeah.

01:11:23.040 And, Erica, help me understand.

01:11:25.680 I genuinely don't understand.

01:11:27.360 I've asked Frank Turek this.

01:11:28.680 I've asked everyone I can ask this question.

01:11:30.540 I don't understand how you can be wearing your cross and your St. Michael's medal and

01:11:36.280 be shot to death.

01:11:37.820 I feel, as Charlie felt, that that's armor.

01:11:42.140 You know, we wear that to protect us and we believe God will protect us.

01:11:46.120 How have you squared that?

01:11:47.240 The Lord is so powerful and we're not meant to understand all of his ways, but there's

01:12:03.700 mercy in that, knowing that God uses evil for good.

01:12:08.580 And I don't know what exactly that is, but I do know that the Lord will use it.

01:12:18.100 And if that means revival, the Lord, I told people, I said, I have never found more comfort

01:12:29.100 in the statement, thy will be done.

01:12:32.460 Explain that.

01:12:33.340 Why?

01:12:33.480 Because it shows that control is an absolute illusion.

01:12:41.940 The Lord knows the number of hairs on our head and he knows the number of our days.

01:12:49.840 And that's why Charlie was so intentional of making sure everyone knew that their role in

01:12:55.000 life was so important and that you guys are all the missing puzzle piece to this whole story.

01:13:03.480 And we used to explain it when we would have dinner sometimes about how when you look at

01:13:10.960 a tapestry on one side, you see all of these hanging threads and it doesn't make any sense.

01:13:17.940 They're all different colored threads all over the place.

01:13:20.180 But when you turn that tapestry around, you see how beautifully woven together and how intentional

01:13:28.520 every thread is to that tapestry.

01:13:32.800 And yes, I fully believe that you put on the full armor of God every single day.

01:13:39.920 I mean, henceforth, all of my bracelets and rings, like everything has meaning to me.

01:13:44.920 And that's why I always wear my bracelets, always wear my rings, always wear my necklaces.

01:13:50.480 And it's one of those things where we will never understand God's ways fully.

01:13:58.900 We're not meant to.

01:14:00.460 We wouldn't be, our mortal brains would not be able to even compute what he has designed

01:14:08.900 and put together.

01:14:10.960 But what I do know is that the Lord spoke through Charlie in so many ways.

01:14:20.880 And I still feel so deeply connected to him.

01:14:30.160 Yeah.

01:14:30.520 And I know that the Lord used such evil to bring about something that will eventually come to

01:14:38.460 good.

01:14:39.280 It's already started.

01:14:41.420 I've seen it.

01:14:42.440 I am a big believer in signs.

01:14:52.140 You know, I think when you lose somebody, if you ask for a sign, do you guys believe in

01:14:55.040 signs?

01:14:57.220 Have you gotten any from him?

01:14:59.680 You know, it's so interesting.

01:15:01.120 When we first started dating, this is personal, but I share it only because maybe it'll be a sign

01:15:09.740 for you to know that Charlie's with you in something.

01:15:13.780 When we first started dating, we would walk.

01:15:16.460 We were walking to dinner one night and this happened a lot.

01:15:19.920 The lights would start to flicker.

01:15:22.500 And he'd look up at the light and be like, you know, it's so weird.

01:15:24.680 This happens to me a lot.

01:15:25.980 And I was like, really?

01:15:26.760 He's like, yeah.

01:15:28.140 So our whole dating and whole marriage, anytime we'd be a room and a light started to flicker,

01:15:33.760 he would just look at me and wink.

01:15:35.520 It was like our little thing.

01:15:37.260 It's power.

01:15:37.760 Yeah, it's a total frequency thing.

01:15:41.680 And so the night everything happened when we were in Utah, I was in a hotel room by myself

01:15:48.680 in the bedroom portion by myself and the bathroom light was on and it just was a strobe light

01:15:56.280 all night, just flick.

01:15:58.840 And I was like, part of me couldn't sleep because it was a strobe light.

01:16:02.160 The other part of me couldn't sleep because of how just my world has just crumbled.

01:16:05.840 And the other part of me couldn't sleep because I was like, baby, I feel you.

01:16:08.820 I know you're here.

01:16:10.860 So that was, you know, some signs.

01:16:13.980 But another sign, too, is just my daughter, you know, just saying little things and like,

01:16:19.560 I'm okay.

01:16:20.600 I see you.

01:16:21.480 Is she starting to get it?

01:16:22.560 Um, I, yes and no.

01:16:30.820 I, we talk, I make, I, we talk about heaven.

01:16:33.940 And I make it really exciting.

01:16:36.440 Um, I tell her, daddy had so much fun today.

01:16:40.060 Everyone who has written letters and sent gifts to my children, thank you.

01:16:45.080 I tell her, my son, he's only a year and a half, but I tell both of them, um, daddy is

01:16:52.660 telling all of his friends to send you gifts and letters.

01:16:55.880 And, you know, daddy is orchestrating from heaven to make sure that you always feel so

01:17:01.340 loved.

01:17:02.000 And the other day she was like, tell me about daddy's day in heaven.

01:17:05.880 So just, we talk about that at night.

01:17:08.760 And then sometimes I'll say, well, tell me what you think he did in heaven today.

01:17:13.160 And, um, we just, I just try to make it exciting.

01:17:16.620 Cause it is, it is, heaven is, heaven's our home.

01:17:23.860 And so I just want her to know that daddy is having so much fun and building a place

01:17:30.420 for her and our family in heaven.

01:17:33.500 How do you, yeah.

01:17:41.920 I know that you haven't watched the video and you shouldn't watch the video and you don't

01:17:45.700 never watch that video and you don't want the kids to watch the video.

01:17:48.360 Yeah.

01:17:49.480 But how do you, how are you going to handle it when they get older, Erica, and they start

01:17:52.840 to learn about the haters, right?

01:17:55.360 Cause there does have to come a time where that needs to be put in the proper perspective.

01:17:59.680 Charlie was so tough.

01:18:01.420 He, it was hard to get him rattled about these attacks, but, and I can speak to this, having,

01:18:09.920 having my own children, two of whom are backstage, you know, there comes a time where you have

01:18:14.360 to sort of help your kids understand the terrible negative messages that are out there about

01:18:20.480 someone they deeply love.

01:18:22.680 How, have you thought about that at all?

01:18:24.340 Like how are you going to walk them into that?

01:18:27.500 Yeah.

01:18:27.940 You know, it's, I've first and foremost want my children to have a childhood.

01:18:32.340 Um, so that's another reason why I don't put them on the internet.

01:18:34.760 Uh, it's another reason why I don't expose them to certain screen time.

01:18:38.460 Um, I've said it before, some of the shows, the only shows I would watch is Charlie, uh,

01:18:46.080 Bob Ross, cause he has a very nap inducing voice.

01:18:50.840 And then, uh, you know, every now and then it would be some of Charlie's events, but I

01:18:57.280 want them to be children first.

01:18:58.920 And I want to teach them so much about God and Jesus so that when they do get older and

01:19:07.460 they do see the hate, they also understand how much good is still out there.

01:19:13.540 And they also understand that they could be the antidote to the evil.

01:19:19.060 Um, and they can pray for those people and not be afraid.

01:19:23.260 I'd never want them to be afraid, but I want them to also see that that evil.

01:19:28.920 Is because they, or their parents or their loved ones is actually doing something to

01:19:34.860 make a difference.

01:19:37.380 Because if, if you're not getting attacked or slandered or whatever else out there, you're

01:19:44.440 just looking a lot like the rest of the world.

01:19:47.360 And I would want them to know that that's okay.

01:19:51.180 You know, I, I have been called so many names.

01:19:55.340 I have been slandered and none of that means anything to me.

01:20:02.140 It's all just noise.

01:20:03.720 Um, crazy.

01:20:05.280 No, it's unbelievable.

01:20:06.440 Watching people turn on you has been one of the most unexpected, strange, terrible things.

01:20:13.460 And you know what, Megan, and I know you get this cause you have a very, you have a thick

01:20:17.620 skin and a soft heart.

01:20:19.340 The thing is, is that the more that people, and it gets outlandish more and more crazy

01:20:24.920 as, as time goes on, because there's just a void that apparently needs to be filled.

01:20:29.400 But I'm okay with the world not understanding me.

01:20:33.340 I'm okay with that.

01:20:36.560 I'm okay with, with they, you know, I, I don't want to look like the world.

01:20:44.040 We're, we're, as Christians, we're called to be in the world, not of it.

01:20:47.920 And if they could understand me, then I'm not doing something right.

01:20:52.600 That's well said.

01:20:57.280 Forgive me.

01:20:58.120 Did you see people didn't understand the hug that you and JD had?

01:21:01.660 They, they went to the weirdest places, Erica.

01:21:04.840 Oh my gosh.

01:21:06.160 You guys, please.

01:21:08.760 So for those of you who know me, I never, I, I'm a very, I love, I hug is like.

01:21:15.420 You're an intense hugger.

01:21:16.360 It's awesome.

01:21:16.680 Whoever is like hating on a hug needs a hug themselves.

01:21:19.900 I will give you a free hug anytime you want to hug.

01:21:23.680 My love language is touch, if you will.

01:21:26.140 But seriously, that hug.

01:21:27.620 So I will give you a play by play.

01:21:30.380 Like walking.

01:21:31.180 They just played the emotional video.

01:21:33.880 I'm walking over.

01:21:35.160 He's walking over.

01:21:36.400 I'm starting to cry.

01:21:37.880 He says, he's so proud of you.

01:21:40.520 And I say, God bless you.

01:21:42.340 And I touched the back of his head.

01:21:43.960 Anyone who have, I've hugged that I have touched the back of your head.

01:21:47.480 When I hug you, I always say, God bless you.

01:21:51.220 That's just me.

01:21:52.520 If you want to take that out of context, go right ahead.

01:21:55.100 Again, that to me shows that you need a hug more than anyone else.

01:21:58.920 So if anyone.

01:22:00.480 They were acting like you touched the back of his ass.

01:22:05.140 I feel like I wouldn't get as much hate if I did that versus.

01:22:09.340 But no, seriously.

01:22:10.420 So now when I go and hug people, I'll bring them back in and be like, I obviously didn't

01:22:13.760 give you the right hug.

01:22:15.020 Like, come, let me touch the back of your head.

01:22:16.620 Let's go.

01:22:17.120 I don't know what to do with my hands.

01:22:17.960 Can't touch the head.

01:22:19.320 What can I touch?

01:22:20.380 I know.

01:22:21.180 I'll just.

01:22:21.840 Not me.

01:22:22.320 I'm always like, if you touch the back of my head, I'm like, oh, she's feeling the extensions.

01:22:25.140 That's another thing.

01:22:28.840 People think my hair is fake.

01:22:30.280 It is very real.

01:22:31.360 My hairstylist told me your hair is real.

01:22:33.460 She was like, oh, no, that's all real.

01:22:35.040 This is real.

01:22:36.120 I've had some women.

01:22:37.200 How is it real?

01:22:37.660 They like come and touch the back of my head.

01:22:39.460 I'm like, what are you doing?

01:22:40.780 They're feeling the weave.

01:22:42.020 It's not coming out.

01:22:42.600 Yeah.

01:22:43.080 They're patting the weave.

01:22:44.660 I know.

01:22:45.320 But anyways.

01:22:45.780 How is that real?

01:22:46.500 Have you just been growing it out your whole life?

01:22:48.000 We want to know.

01:22:51.920 My mother.

01:22:54.260 OK, so I was I loved sports growing up.

01:22:58.080 I was the my I started playing basketball when I was five.

01:23:02.520 My first coach, he was Charles Barkley of all people, which is amazing to have as your five

01:23:09.280 year old YMCA coach.

01:23:11.700 Good to see you with your little Charles Barkley doll.

01:23:14.220 No, it was great.

01:23:15.060 He's an awesome man.

01:23:16.100 His daughter was it was a dear friend.

01:23:18.000 Um, and so I loved sports and my mom, I was swimming all the time.

01:23:24.120 I was always super active.

01:23:25.380 And since my mom worked, um, I was always at the boys and girls club always.

01:23:31.580 And I was the last kid to get picked up from the boys and girls club every single day.

01:23:36.940 And the poor counselor or whatever you want to call him that had to stand with me at waiting

01:23:40.780 for my mom to pick me up every day.

01:23:43.120 I, I loved sports.

01:23:45.020 I loved basketball so much.

01:23:47.620 It was such a good escape for me as a, as a child.

01:23:50.840 And, and I remember my hair from swimming was so ratted because I have very coarse hair

01:23:58.800 and my mom hated combing my hair.

01:24:00.600 And so her solution was a bowl cut straight across traumatizing to this point.

01:24:09.980 My hairdresser knows when we get a trim, it is literally like a fraction of my hair.

01:24:17.640 I will never have hair shorter than my shoulders.

01:24:20.560 Charlie loved my hair though.

01:24:22.160 He, he just, he loved how long it was.

01:24:24.940 So what you're saying is you have long, thick, coarse hair that takes you a while to grow out

01:24:29.500 and take care of.

01:24:30.360 And you're not black or named Michelle Obama, which is fascinating.

01:24:35.580 That can happen.

01:24:36.180 With all the conspiracy theories out there, I'm not going to touch that one either.

01:24:41.420 Hopefully you haven't been paying too much attention to the news cycle, but they know

01:24:45.020 what I'm talking about.

01:24:45.980 No, but the, the, my hair to get back to that is something that, um, I just, I, it was,

01:24:54.000 I'm not going to cut it.

01:24:55.520 I'm not going to, you know, he liked it.

01:24:58.320 He liked it long and here we are.

01:25:00.300 And, but my mom, if you ask my mom, she'll tell you it's when you, if she grew up from

01:25:08.080 the standpoint of a Lebanese Italian background and you're supposed to shave your kid's head

01:25:12.660 when they're two and then it's supposed to grow back really thick after that, I was a

01:25:17.560 product of the shaved head.

01:25:18.840 So if you would like to try that on your two year old unsolicited advice, does it work

01:25:23.480 on the 55 year old?

01:25:24.660 I have no idea.

01:25:25.560 You guys tell me.

01:25:26.580 I don't know.

01:25:27.440 Am I going to try?

01:25:29.360 You know, you've raised the issue of the girls.

01:25:30.840 If you see us shaved head by December, you know why.

01:25:34.360 Oh yeah.

01:25:34.860 We all look like Britney Spears.

01:25:36.340 The headline, well, they went full skinhead.

01:25:38.040 Right.

01:25:38.480 Yeah.

01:25:38.700 There you go.

01:25:39.040 And are listening to Nick Francis.

01:25:40.100 That's the last thing.

01:25:40.720 That'll be.

01:25:41.280 Yeah.

01:25:41.340 No.

01:25:42.080 It's a no.

01:25:42.760 It's the last thing.

01:25:43.160 Yeah.

01:25:45.100 While we're on the subject, because you really were a very strong female athlete, can I ask you

01:25:50.180 your position on that?

01:25:51.640 No, yeah.

01:25:52.380 Totally.

01:25:52.720 Like, because this is obviously a dominant thing.

01:25:55.200 We had Megan Rapinoe in the news just this week saying people are, they don't really mean

01:25:58.360 it.

01:25:58.840 They don't actually have an objection to men playing in women's sports.

01:26:01.900 They're just using it like as an issue.

01:26:03.740 She made all her money.

01:26:04.860 She's sitting pretty, but she wants your daughter to play against boys.

01:26:08.300 Your thoughts on it.

01:26:10.660 So, well, you can take this as a twofold.

01:26:16.240 So, if you're looking at it from the sports angle where you're playing up against men, I

01:26:26.600 mean, I know this has been said before, but then what's the point of female sports?

01:26:30.380 But to me, being an addict, I played in college.

01:26:36.160 I worked so hard for that scholarship.

01:26:39.380 I knew my strengths as a point guard.

01:26:43.280 I hated driving the lane, always.

01:26:45.700 I always shot the three.

01:26:47.240 That was like my thing.

01:26:48.600 I'm not driving to have someone who's like six, seven, just pat.

01:26:52.400 This is not happening.

01:26:53.200 She said it.

01:26:57.040 So, for me, sports has a very special place in my heart, but as a mom now and watching

01:27:08.800 my daughter compete, it's just, I know they say, you know, life isn't fair.

01:27:16.300 I get that.

01:27:17.540 Life's not fair.

01:27:18.600 But there's certain things that are really special, and women's sports is one of them,

01:27:27.640 and it's really, some people look down on it, some people think it's not it, but, you

01:27:31.480 know, those girls have worked so hard for their position, and to have it taken away from

01:27:36.260 them by someone who couldn't rank in their own sport than field, it's demoralizing, and

01:27:47.460 it also weighs on the whole topic of being a woman, being proud to be a woman, being

01:27:54.540 proud to be a strong female athlete, and I wouldn't want that taken away from anybody.

01:27:59.580 That's right.

01:27:59.920 Having the glorious chance of accomplishment.

01:28:01.840 I mean, we'll never win if we're playing against biological boys.

01:28:06.020 We'll never have that glorious feeling of crossing the finish line first or being the one who has

01:28:10.460 the game-winning shot because it's always going to go to a man.

01:28:13.180 It's just one of the basic things.

01:28:14.380 We always talk about the unfairness of it and the safety of it, but just think about

01:28:17.440 that, like the glorious feeling of winning, which I never had because I wasn't an athlete.

01:28:22.660 But you had it.

01:28:24.080 I don't know.

01:28:24.520 I feel like politics somewhat is a form of an athletic feat, so it's...

01:28:30.140 You know, I had it like when Don Lemon got fired.

01:28:34.040 It depends.

01:28:35.560 That was your moment.

01:28:36.400 Yeah.

01:28:36.640 You know, we all look for our moments.

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01:31:36.920 I want to ask you about the book that you're holding in your hands.

01:31:39.300 Yes, Charlie's book.

01:31:40.820 I took the dust cover off because I carry his book everywhere.

01:31:44.060 Stop in the name of God.

01:31:45.180 It's coming out soon.

01:31:46.300 Charlie's coming out with a book.

01:31:47.480 Yeah.

01:31:49.220 He's coming out with a book.

01:31:50.420 Stop in the name of God, which is a great title.

01:31:53.120 Stop in the name of God.

01:31:53.920 And what is it about?

01:31:54.820 It took him a year and a half to write it.

01:31:57.160 And this book, I mean, when I'm reading it, I'm like, I did not even know you knew that.

01:32:04.000 It is so powerful.

01:32:07.380 Overarching theme of it is the power of honoring the Sabbath and the importance of rest.

01:32:13.020 And reading this, and I even brought one of his journals with me to read out of it because

01:32:19.520 the thing that's so interesting about reading this book and reading this journal, and I know

01:32:24.420 a lot of you that are Christians will understand this.

01:32:26.500 They tell you that when you read the Bible, it's the living word of God, and it is.

01:32:31.140 And you see the Lord in technicolor when you read the Bible and you actually understand those words.

01:32:41.900 And so for me, reading Charlie's journals and reading this book, it's like he's, I mean, he's still, he's present with the Lord,

01:32:53.420 but it feels like he's still fully here.

01:32:58.040 And that's what's so powerful about this book.

01:33:00.640 And I watched him as a wife completely transform into an already, I mean, he was already amazing

01:33:09.040 and incredible, but I totally elevated him when he was honoring the Sabbath and when he

01:33:14.300 really took that seriously, that time to rest seriously.

01:33:18.460 And I just can't help but think, like everything, and to go to your point of signs,

01:33:25.300 I don't think anything is by coincidence, but to have this be his last book and to him totally master

01:33:35.920 what it means to rest with the Lord, it's all full circle now because it's the ultimate Sabbath

01:33:42.520 where he is right now in heaven.

01:33:43.560 When did you get to read it?

01:33:45.200 When?

01:33:45.720 Yeah.

01:33:45.960 As much as I can, driving into the office or...

01:33:48.840 No, but I mean, was it written in its entirety before Charlie died?

01:33:52.660 Yes.

01:33:53.000 It was.

01:33:53.380 Yes, it was.

01:33:54.160 He finished writing this, I believe, in July, June or July of this year.

01:33:59.620 So you had read it?

01:34:01.020 Mm-hmm.

01:34:01.460 But to read it in a book format and not an email format that he would send me is...

01:34:06.400 Something.

01:34:07.160 Night and day difference, yeah.

01:34:08.400 What are the pages that are folded over?

01:34:10.480 The one that I...

01:34:11.140 Well, all of them are amazing.

01:34:12.280 But the one that I wanted to read was the part about sleeping because Charlie, his adrenaline

01:34:20.560 was always going and it was very hard for him to turn his brain off at night, henceforth

01:34:25.100 snacks at like 2 a.m.

01:34:27.480 And so...

01:34:28.040 Didn't you tell me olives and bananas?

01:34:29.320 I know.

01:34:30.500 Not together.

01:34:31.660 Not together.

01:34:32.640 But you know...

01:34:32.920 But he was like even snacking in a healthy manner.

01:34:35.040 He was snacking.

01:34:35.120 He was snacking.

01:34:35.420 It's amazing.

01:34:35.760 Almonds, yeah.

01:34:36.680 Also, we do have to discuss the fact that you said he only had mint chocolate chip ice

01:34:40.880 cream once a year.

01:34:42.440 Twice.

01:34:43.060 His birthday and 4th of July.

01:34:43.960 4th of July and his birthday, right?

01:34:45.440 And no ice cream any other day?

01:34:48.340 His self-control and self-discipline was phenomenal.

01:34:52.540 And to the point, too, where when I was pregnant, 70% of the reason why no one saw me when I was

01:34:58.160 pregnant was because of this situation.

01:34:59.940 The other 30% was because I just was with my babies.

01:35:04.460 But 70% of it was, I'm really hungry.

01:35:08.820 I think I...

01:35:09.540 Should I have a milkshake?

01:35:10.580 Baby, get that milkshake.

01:35:11.920 But I don't know if I should have that milkshake.

01:35:13.900 You need the milkshake.

01:35:15.080 I'm going to go and get you that milkshake.

01:35:16.620 Do you want a hot fudge sundae, too?

01:35:17.880 I'm going to get that.

01:35:18.520 In-N-Out Burger?

01:35:19.540 No questions.

01:35:20.480 I'll be right back.

01:35:21.200 Animal style.

01:35:22.320 So he'd come home.

01:35:23.740 He loved it because he loved driving around at night.

01:35:26.100 So he'd come home with the In-N-Out Burger, animal style, protein style, whatever, mixed

01:35:30.980 in with the hot fudge sundae, the chocolate shake.

01:35:33.260 And he would be so excited to give it to me and watch me eat it.

01:35:36.960 But that was because he was living vicariously through me.

01:35:40.600 So no joke, I got to like 190 pounds.

01:35:43.600 I was like, I am literally going to weigh more than you by the end of this pregnancy.

01:35:47.340 And he'd be like, baby, you look great.

01:35:49.300 You look...

01:35:50.140 Don't worry about that.

01:35:51.040 That's just baby weight.

01:35:52.040 That'll...

01:35:52.220 I mean, granted, it does go away.

01:35:53.580 It takes a lot of work.

01:35:53.880 He's sitting there eating his olives?

01:35:54.860 No, no, he's just watching me.

01:35:56.700 And I'm like, I will enjoy this hot fudge sundae while you wish that you could have.

01:36:01.320 But he was so self-disciplined and he was so good about eating.

01:36:05.020 He was...

01:36:06.520 Biohacking was his love language of being healthy, eating clean.

01:36:10.060 He could not operate on fast food the way that he was in general.

01:36:15.100 Like, that's why he never drank.

01:36:16.220 That's why he never...

01:36:17.320 It wasn't from, you know, a motive of I'm better than whoever.

01:36:21.740 It was from the motive of I need to operate as if I'm going to war every single day and

01:36:27.460 I can't operate on this type of food.

01:36:30.940 And speaking of the sleep, that's very...

01:36:32.740 No, right.

01:36:33.320 So the sleep was important because I was like, he loved his sleep.

01:36:37.280 And something that I was very intentional about is when he came home, I would always let

01:36:42.660 him sleep in, always, on the weekends.

01:36:44.960 I would take the kids, go for a walk, whatever it took, and I would want him to wake up when

01:36:49.060 it was time to wake up because I knew how important rest was for him.

01:36:52.460 And so when I read this in the book, I just...

01:36:55.260 It was on my heart to share it with you because the title of it says,

01:36:59.560 Jesus slept, Elijah slept, and so can you.

01:37:03.300 And he said, so start tonight, close the laptop, power down the phone, let the dishes wait,

01:37:12.460 pull the shades, dim the lights, and give your body permission to do what it was created

01:37:17.020 to do, to rest.

01:37:19.260 Let your bed become an altar of trust as your head touches the pillow and whisper to God,

01:37:25.080 I release it all to you.

01:37:27.500 You don't need to check one more email.

01:37:29.480 You don't need to prove anything.

01:37:30.800 You don't need to carry the weight of the world.

01:37:32.440 It already has a savior.

01:37:34.980 And it's not you.

01:37:36.880 Sleep is not a distraction from your purpose.

01:37:38.960 It is part of your purpose.

01:37:40.900 It is a sacred rhythm that restores your mind, heals your body, and quiets your soul.

01:37:46.540 The Sabbath is your weekly reminder that you are not a machine.

01:37:50.440 You are a beloved child.

01:37:52.620 And children sleep well when they know their father is near.

01:37:56.780 So go ahead, embrace the gift.

01:37:58.920 Make your Sabbath a day not just of rest but of sleep, deep, joyful, and replenishing sleep.

01:38:06.520 You're allowed.

01:38:07.660 And more than that, you're invited.

01:38:09.640 Rest isn't weakness.

01:38:11.080 It's worship.

01:38:12.160 And tomorrow will be better because you trusted God enough to rest today.

01:38:15.980 Wow.

01:38:17.660 And he was keeping the Sabbath.

01:38:20.880 He was.

01:38:22.360 So with that, since today is his Sabbath, I wanted to read to you from his journal.

01:38:30.500 Oh, wow.

01:38:31.060 Is that it right there?

01:38:32.020 Yeah.

01:38:32.760 Wow.

01:38:33.800 In his handwriting.

01:38:34.480 Anyway, a note that he wrote to himself to honor the Sabbath.

01:38:42.520 He said, Dear Lord, thank you for a wonderful week.

01:38:47.100 Thank you for your endless protection and provision.

01:38:51.060 Father God, thank you for your mercy and grace.

01:38:54.920 Lord, I did better this week despite the challenges of travel.

01:38:58.620 I miss my wife.

01:39:01.840 It's hard to be away from her for a few days.

01:39:05.260 Thank you for giving us a roadmap of what it means to be obedient and put Christ first.

01:39:10.900 Lord, I have realized the following.

01:39:14.240 The battle against the mind is Satan's playground.

01:39:18.080 He dwells and prowls to destroy.

01:39:21.420 The more in alignment we walk in your command and teachings, the more joy and blessing we experience.

01:39:27.340 Lord, thank you for showing us the way, the truth, and the life.

01:39:34.840 Thank you for blessing our organization.

01:39:38.900 I pray for resolution amongst the divides that Satan is attempting.

01:39:44.340 Lord, we pray for blessing for the people who feel they have been wronged.

01:39:49.220 Father God, we ask for your guidance, wisdom, and direction.

01:39:54.300 Your comfort and your healing.

01:39:55.760 We love you, Lord.

01:40:03.120 Thank you for another Sabbath.

01:40:05.660 CK.

01:40:07.060 Wow.

01:40:16.120 Erica, I know you touched on it earlier.

01:40:19.040 But I, one of the reactions I have to hearing that is like, I get angry.

01:40:28.400 How can that man have been taken?

01:40:31.300 How, he was all goodness.

01:40:34.720 The left who are bastardizing his memory have no idea what they're talking about.

01:40:38.380 Charlie was all goodness.

01:40:40.020 I know we can't understand God's plan, but have you had bouts of anger?

01:40:46.740 You know, I think about what the kids are going to miss, what you got gypped out of, what poor Charlie now is going to miss.

01:40:53.880 And I feel angry.

01:40:55.600 Sadness, of course, obviously, but yes, against the accused shooter.

01:40:59.760 But just, I know you don't ever feel angry against God, but I kind of do.

01:41:05.920 I don't know.

01:41:07.060 I understand.

01:41:08.060 How do you make sense of that?

01:41:09.120 And do you have any anger when you think about it?

01:41:11.500 Not towards the Lord, but in general.

01:41:13.320 Well, the enemy would love for me to be angry.

01:41:19.140 He would love it.

01:41:21.400 He would love it.

01:41:26.260 Because it would distract me from building what Charlie entrusted to me.

01:41:32.020 Raising our babies.

01:41:35.680 Turning point.

01:41:38.480 Being there for the team.

01:41:39.840 Being there for what the future holds.

01:41:44.160 And if I had any amount of anger in my heart and spirit, the Lord would not be able to use me.

01:41:49.760 And every single day, just how Charlie did, stood on stage, he would say, here I am, Lord, use me.

01:41:56.560 And if I had that anger in my heart, that foothold from the enemy, he wouldn't be able to.

01:42:04.200 I know, at Charlie's memorial, right across the way here, there was that extraordinary moment where you forgave his accused killer.

01:42:17.560 And, I mean, I looked and I said, that's the most powerful, strongest thing I've ever seen anybody do in my life.

01:42:22.680 And then somebody helped me understand because I thought I could never do it.

01:42:27.680 I could never do it.

01:42:28.500 And somebody said to me, forgiveness is an action, not an emotion.

01:42:33.220 And I was like, okay, that's getting me closer to feeling like I could do it.

01:42:36.900 If I don't actually have to feel loving in my heart toward the person.

01:42:40.580 But I wonder, like, how do you, if you, if you could say something to him, if you could, like, if you say something to his parents, like, what would it be?

01:42:51.200 Would it be anger?

01:42:52.420 Would it be sympathy?

01:42:54.040 What would it be?

01:42:56.380 That's a good question.

01:42:58.240 It wouldn't be, it wouldn't be, it wouldn't be sympathy.

01:43:03.540 It wouldn't be anger.

01:43:10.580 How do you put this?

01:43:22.020 Anything that I could ever wish upon him or that family would pale in comparison of the justice of God.

01:43:38.240 And so I would look at them almost like, I'm so glad I'm not you.

01:43:53.240 I am so glad I'm not you.

01:43:55.260 And I pray that, you know, you figure out a way to be right with the Lord, but our God is, our God is sovereign, but he's also very just.

01:44:11.600 We serve a very just-filled God.

01:44:14.860 That's right.

01:44:15.100 So, I really have nothing to say to any of them.

01:44:23.360 Yeah.

01:44:24.400 Nor do you need to.

01:44:25.720 Never.

01:44:26.440 You mentioned in your remarks at Charlie's funeral that, you know, you pointed out the irony that the accused shooter is exactly the kind of person who Charlie meant to help.

01:44:35.940 Yes.

01:44:36.280 I mean, that's kind of what he dedicated his life to doing.

01:44:38.980 He did.

01:44:39.520 Is trying to reach disaffected young men who had been forgotten by a system or worse than forgotten, remembered and told that they're terrible and to blame for everything.

01:44:48.360 Right.

01:44:48.980 And those messages for years now have really materially, seriously affected the health and mental well-being of a generation of young men.

01:44:56.340 Yeah.

01:44:57.140 Who need turning point.

01:44:59.380 Yeah.

01:44:59.660 And so, that's a huge responsibility for you.

01:45:04.700 Like, it's not just, oh, we have a great political organization and it's a really big thing and people love it.

01:45:09.460 You actually have to go about the business of saving an entire generation, in particular of young men, but young women too.

01:45:16.320 Mm-hmm.

01:45:17.560 How are you going to do that?

01:45:21.220 I mean, I think everybody wants to know without Charlie, how are you going to do that?

01:45:27.980 A few things.

01:45:30.620 First, Charlie would say, I want to save the lost boys of the West.

01:45:36.820 That was on his, he had a to-do list and that was on the top point of the to-do list.

01:45:46.440 That he had, he has that piece of paper still on his desk at his office.

01:45:51.700 But what's so powerful about all of this is that Charlie was so focused on the family.

01:46:00.360 He didn't believe that it was up to the government to raise your kids.

01:46:04.800 He wanted to not only empower the students, but also the parents.

01:46:10.920 And something that you've done so beautifully, Megan, is that your children, you've raised them with the truth and understanding the importance of loving this country.

01:46:22.900 You might not agree with everything that the government does, that's life, it's the government, but you still love this country.

01:46:31.300 And so your babies even started Turning Point Chapters.

01:46:35.760 But it's also because you as a parent saw how important that was.

01:46:40.440 And I think that's what's so special about Turning Point USA is that when we have these events, especially America Fest, it is so family oriented.

01:46:50.120 We're not out there trying to raise your kid.

01:46:53.860 We're trying to reaffirm what you've been telling them this whole time.

01:46:57.440 We're trying to reaffirm to them that there is a space for you.

01:47:01.960 We are here for the civil discourse.

01:47:04.420 We are here for the debates.

01:47:05.720 We are here for the dialogue.

01:47:07.060 We are here for the freedom of speech.

01:47:09.160 That's our role.

01:47:12.320 Save Western civilization.

01:47:13.880 But what Charlie loved, and him being a parent also, was that he wanted to inspire the parents to show their kids what true north is, and then say, you have a home at Turning Point that will help fuel that even more.

01:47:32.120 And so that's how I view us being able to help.

01:47:35.360 Charlie spoke very frankly to young men.

01:47:38.300 He did it on my show many times.

01:47:39.840 And one of my favorite clips of him is the dating advice one.

01:47:43.880 Right?

01:47:44.380 Do you know the clip I mean where he said, you got to pay on the first date to the guys.

01:47:49.060 When you are courting a woman.

01:47:51.040 He said, when you are courting, yes.

01:47:52.860 He was very sweet to those guys.

01:47:54.360 He said, you seem like nice guys, but it's absolutely ridiculous that you're talking about not paying.

01:47:58.120 Right.

01:47:58.540 So let me ask you the other side of it.

01:48:00.660 What's your advice to young women who get asked out by young men?

01:48:06.440 Well, stay away from hookup culture.

01:48:09.060 Don't just date to date.

01:48:10.360 If a guy wants to take you to drinks instead of dinner, that's a huge red flag.

01:48:16.120 If they don't want to go to church with you and have brunch afterwards, another huge red flag.

01:48:20.680 Don't introduce them to your family until you know without a shadow of a doubt that might be the man that you're going to marry.

01:48:28.800 And don't treat your boyfriend like your husband.

01:48:33.000 Don't treat your boyfriend like your fiance.

01:48:35.780 Treat them like your boyfriend.

01:48:38.080 Treat your fiance like your fiance and your husband like your husband.

01:48:41.420 And I think that when you stay focused on the Lord and the lane that he has you in, which is a stream of significance, keep swimming in that.

01:48:52.760 The man that's supposed to be with you will not detract you from the Lord.

01:48:56.860 He'll enhance your focus on the Lord.

01:48:59.780 And he will help build there, be there to build with you, to love on you, to be there for your family.

01:49:05.580 He won't tear you away from your family.

01:49:07.040 He won't challenge your beliefs in a way that makes you question the Lord and what you know in your heart to be true.

01:49:16.640 He'll love you so well, just like my Charlie did.

01:49:19.940 And he'll be a compliment to you in such a beautiful way.

01:49:24.680 And you'll be equally yoked where you're not having to compete and you're not having to strive.

01:49:31.900 The two of you are in lockstep and you're building something beautiful for the kingdom.

01:49:37.040 And it's powerful.

01:49:42.220 If I could, just a quick addendum.

01:49:45.080 Don't be a slut.

01:49:49.320 Right.

01:49:50.060 Just that too.

01:49:51.760 Note to self.

01:49:52.840 Note to self.

01:49:53.700 Right.

01:49:54.620 All right.

01:49:55.060 Now, in the time we have left, I've got to ask you this.

01:49:58.780 Turning Point played a massive role in the past election, in the presidential election.

01:50:04.920 Massive role.

01:50:06.180 I know.

01:50:07.040 And so we have to talk about what Turning Point may or may not do in 26 and most importantly in 28.

01:50:12.880 And why is it get behind J.D. Vance?

01:50:18.400 Let's start with midterms first before we start jumping to 28.

01:50:22.420 And let's enjoy the fact that we do have Donald Trump in office and we worked really hard.

01:50:26.580 Let's enjoy that fact.

01:50:27.580 We worked really hard to make that happen.

01:50:29.680 My husband did.

01:50:31.220 So I just want to enjoy that for a minute before we start jumping ahead.

01:50:35.340 But my husband, like I said, built a machine and some of the secret sauce within that was that he loved the students.

01:50:49.240 But also, he loved empowering them to know that they could make a difference and how important voting was.

01:50:58.100 And when you see these pictures of him when he first started Turning Point USA, he was so bought into his own mission.

01:51:05.940 He wasn't, you know, he wasn't, you know, in an office cubicle while the students were out in an event.

01:51:11.740 And he was there wearing his lanyard with his little name tag and a Big Gov Sucks button and Socialism Sucks button.

01:51:22.700 And he believed in the mission so much.

01:51:27.160 And for a lack of better term, he knew that the unsexy work was what it took to save elections, which is tennis shoes and clipboards.

01:51:39.380 And speaking to your neighbors, knocking on doors, being involved with your community, not being afraid to explain to people why you believe what you believe.

01:51:50.060 And nothing is changing at Turning Point USA or Turning Point Action.

01:51:53.740 If anything, it's just continuing to grow.

01:51:55.460 I mean, you've seen the numbers of how many chapters and churches and it's been phenomenal.

01:52:00.700 And yes, there is a structure of quality over quantity, but the 26 midterms, obviously, we'll be focusing heavily on Arizona.

01:52:13.260 It's our home state.

01:52:16.400 But the thing I love the most, especially about, and if you guys have ever been to our campus, if you have not, I really suggest you come by.

01:52:26.240 We have a building that's specifically for the Turning Point Action building.

01:52:30.760 And it is one of my favorite buildings to go into because I feel the heartbeat of Charlie in there from a strategy standpoint.

01:52:36.620 Because it's a literal, it's like a war room in there.

01:52:38.780 They have the polling and they have the strategy laid out and they have the door knockers.

01:52:44.780 It's really, really powerful to witness.

01:52:46.900 And I can just see Charlie being like, knock on that one more door.

01:52:54.820 One more door.

01:52:56.040 Talk to that neighbor one more time.

01:52:58.280 And so we are thrilled to be able to still make massive impacts and inroads with the upcoming elections.

01:53:05.400 And the team that Charlie built, I tell you what, I would bet on them any day.

01:53:11.760 Bet on them.

01:53:12.160 Always.

01:53:12.460 You mentioned, I mentioned J.D., you mentioned Trump.

01:53:15.780 Can you just give us a minute on them?

01:53:17.360 Because from afar, it has looked like they've been so there for you.

01:53:22.100 Yes.

01:53:23.080 And you know, I don't think most people were surprised to see J.D. do it.

01:53:27.500 But everyone says Trump has no empathy.

01:53:29.980 He's a nasty guy.

01:53:32.120 You know, he's a mean guy.

01:53:34.100 He's a Nazi.

01:53:35.020 Pick your term.

01:53:35.940 I saw him with you at the Presidential Medal of Freedom when he awarded it to Charlie posthumously.

01:53:42.320 Can you just tell us a little bit about how they've been behind the scenes in this whole thing?

01:53:46.860 Charlie and President Trump had a really special relationship.

01:53:50.600 It was one that some people would understand, others wouldn't.

01:53:58.100 At some times it was fatherly son.

01:54:00.980 But at other times it was this mutual deep respect of being able to build in a way where Trump understood building in Manhattan and building, you know, across the country and across the world architecturally.

01:54:17.360 And he also, Charlie understood building with Turning Point USA and his ability to see things that other people couldn't really see, especially in other people.

01:54:31.920 But what Charlie really appreciated about President Trump is that no matter what anyone says about him, he is so mission focused.

01:54:42.740 He's so laser focused.

01:54:44.340 And Charlie was the same way.

01:54:47.360 And he admired so much the president's tenacity to keep going, especially after January 6th when no one wanted anything to do with him.

01:54:58.340 Charlie said, I got your back.

01:55:00.200 And he meant it.

01:55:02.140 And moments like that really put into perspective the human aspect of politics.

01:55:07.200 You can go down the rabbit hole of slandering someone, but at the end of the day when it's all said and done, the most important thing is that you realize that we're all just doing our best here with our one life that we have.

01:55:24.160 And the president was so good to Charlie from the standpoint of, he didn't look down to Charlie.

01:55:32.100 He appreciated his ability to be able to mobilize the youth, but also to share the message of how amazing the country we live in.

01:55:43.160 Yes, we have faults.

01:55:44.880 Anything with humans have faults.

01:55:46.640 We're all sinful.

01:55:47.180 But he appreciated that Charlie was always there for him, and he was always there for Charlie.

01:55:52.400 And the president has always had a very soft spot in my heart because I got to witness that he wasn't just the president to my husband.

01:56:00.420 He was a friend.

01:56:02.080 And I'll never forget that.

01:56:03.240 And J.D. and Usha have been incredibly supportive.

01:56:07.920 It's been really nice to see.

01:56:10.080 And I look forward to you guys throwing the full weight of turning point behind them in about three years.

01:56:16.460 Am I being subtle?

01:56:17.800 No, don't worry.

01:56:18.840 It's already, you know, it's in the works.

01:56:21.540 But that was a thing that my husband was very direct about.

01:56:25.740 It was, interestingly enough, one of the last few conversations we had was how intentional he was about supporting J.D. for 28.

01:56:33.560 Yeah, he was totally behind J.D.

01:56:35.840 And he was largely responsible for Trump picking J.D.

01:56:39.400 That's true.

01:56:40.680 Okay, here's another one.

01:56:42.340 Charlie said, on the record, Erica is way more conservative than I am.

01:56:48.120 Way more.

01:56:50.420 How so?

01:56:51.260 Well, first and foremost, we were always very in alignment with, obviously, a lot of things.

01:57:02.780 But there were certain things where we made sure that I was a little in the beginning, and Andrew Colvec can attest to this.

01:57:12.600 It was an immigration side of things that I had a different viewpoint on.

01:57:17.780 And then he was like, I see that point.

01:57:19.520 It was a long time ago with student visa-related topics.

01:57:24.620 But other than that, we were in alignment with a lot of things.

01:57:28.640 I was just a little bit more direct behind the scenes about it.

01:57:31.580 But we were always in lockstep with one another.

01:57:36.580 So people hoping for a turning point to go conservative light.

01:57:42.500 That's not happening.

01:57:44.080 No, we are not.

01:57:44.900 Turning Point USA is now becoming feminized, let me tell you that.

01:57:47.900 That is not going to happen.

01:57:49.180 Awesome.

01:57:50.200 Never.

01:57:50.820 No, we have a great team.

01:57:53.700 We have a phenomenal group of people that are...

01:57:58.900 That's what's so amazing, too, about Turning Point is that after all this happened, we didn't have mass firing.

01:58:08.000 We didn't have mass exodus.

01:58:09.800 We didn't have any issues internally.

01:58:12.920 Everyone, we grieved.

01:58:16.000 But we were able to pull off an unbelievable memorial service.

01:58:22.720 It was incredible.

01:58:23.480 But that just is a testament to the team.

01:58:26.240 I mean, that's not normal.

01:58:28.340 That is the Holy Spirit moving within the organization.

01:58:32.920 And now more than ever, I see the strength of the organization because people aren't just there to write emails.

01:58:43.340 And that's why the age of the individuals that work at the office, everyone's so young.

01:58:50.860 Charlie didn't care if you went to college.

01:58:52.620 He actually preferred that you didn't.

01:58:53.980 He would hire you right out of high school.

01:58:55.320 But the organization itself is so healthy and the culture is so healthy and our chapters and the students and the field program and the Charlie Kirk show and the events team and everyone that is a part of the organization goes back to that tapestry of, you know, there's a bunch of threads, but woven together, the organization is phenomenal.

01:59:22.300 So, no, we are not weakening at all.

01:59:25.600 We are not becoming feminized at all.

01:59:27.740 If anything, we're being more emboldened and we will carry on my husband's legacy in a way that no one could even have imagined and we'll make it everything he could have ever dreamed of and more.

01:59:36.860 Amen.

01:59:38.480 Amen.

01:59:40.060 God bless you.

01:59:41.660 God bless your children.

01:59:43.140 God bless Turning Point USA.

01:59:45.000 And you let all of us know if you need anything.

01:59:48.100 Prayers.

01:59:49.380 Prayers would mean everything.

01:59:51.140 You got it.

01:59:52.080 Wisdom and discernment and protection.

01:59:54.860 And just pray for our country.

01:59:56.600 Pray for our leaders.

01:59:58.700 Pray for people that you don't agree with.

02:00:01.280 You don't have to like them, but just pray for them.

02:00:05.580 Pray that the Lord softens their heart.

02:00:07.460 Pray that the Lord has his will be done and justice always prevails.

02:00:11.380 And just pray that we're on it.

02:00:15.940 We love you.

02:00:17.480 I love you.

02:00:18.140 Don't we love Erica?

02:00:20.260 Thank you.

02:00:21.660 Don't forget to buy the book.

02:00:23.240 Stop in the name of God.

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02:00:33.080 And I'll talk to you on Monday.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 24, 2025

Erika Kirk on Continuing Charlie's Mission, Marriage Advice, and Power of Prayer, Plus Walter Kirn on UFOs and TDS ｜ Ep. 1200

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