The Megyn Kelly Show - Every Leftist Social Justice Talking Point Under One Umbrella, and Campus Snowflakes, with Michael Knowles and Alan Dershowitz ｜ Ep. 654

00:00:00.560 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.780 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.960 Hate filling our streets and our schools as we learn about a shocking incident at a middle school in Manhattan Beach, California.

00:00:22.680 This story first brought to our attention by the libs of TikTok, X account.

00:00:27.120 She reported that four Jewish middle schoolers had been subjected to nasty comments, to put it mildly, in the wake of the Hamas attack on Israel. 0.99

00:00:36.800 Among the things said, revenge is beautiful and, quote, all Jews should be killed. 1.00

00:00:42.940 The school reportedly investigated and told the victims and their parents that they needed to sign a gag agreement, warning them not to tell other students about the incident. 0.99

00:00:54.060 School leaders also reportedly suggesting the anti-Jewish students' words were political, not hateful.

00:01:01.500 The school board says student privacy laws prevent it from disclosing the results of the investigation, but, quote, appropriate consequences have been administered, including, obviously, shutting up the victims.

00:01:14.280 The news infuriating a rabbi who spoke to a local NBC affiliate.

00:01:17.720 Watch.

00:01:19.280 These girls were not sought out because they were Israeli, because they were soldiers of the Israeli defense forces.

00:01:26.300 They are young Jewish girls who were sought out at lunch.

00:01:31.160 And to me, there's nothing political about that.

00:01:34.140 That is hate.

00:01:35.640 These four girls did nothing. 0.64

00:01:37.800 They were just being themselves.

00:01:40.280 And so to reprimand them, to me, seems extremely unjust.

00:01:46.420 Unbelievable.

00:01:46.980 The Anti-Defamation League of California is now calling on the district to conduct a more thorough investigation.

00:01:54.300 This comes as the White House press secretary appears to have trouble understanding English again.

00:02:01.400 Kareem Jean-Pierre has asked a question about anti-Semitism in America.

00:02:05.020 Pretty straightforward.

00:02:06.440 Pretty sure we all know why that subject's coming up right now.

00:02:09.540 And responds with her deep concerns about what's happening to Muslims.

00:02:13.560 Cannot make it up.

00:02:14.420 What is the level of concern right now about the potential rise of anti-Semitism in light of everything that's going on in Israel?

00:02:22.680 So a couple of things.

00:02:24.340 Look, we have not seen any credible threats.

00:02:29.960 I know there's been always questions about credible threats.

00:02:33.440 And so I just want to make sure that that's out there.

00:02:36.200 But look, Muslim and those perceived to be Muslim have endured a disproportionate number of hate-fueled attacks.

00:02:43.220 What is she saying?

00:02:43.980 And certainly President Biden understands that many of our Muslim Arab Americans and Palestinian American loved ones and neighbors are worried about the hate being directed at their communities.

00:02:54.120 What are you saying?

00:02:56.960 The question was about anti-Semitism.

00:03:00.780 Not everything has to go back to Islamophobia.

00:03:04.560 All right, so she either wasn't listening or paying attention or she just can't get off of her Democratic talking points. 0.97

00:03:12.260 But that what's really important here is any backlash against the people who perpetuated this disgusting attack.

00:03:19.280 That is how the left is talking about Israel already.

00:03:22.960 Look, we've documented at length on this show what is happening to Jews in America.

00:03:29.020 There have been numerous incidents of people ripping down posters of innocent Israelis who have been kidnapped by Hamas and Jewish Americans who have been kidnapped by Hamas.

00:03:40.800 There have been attacks on Jewish people.

00:03:42.220 And they get away, they just pull down the posters in most instances and walk along their merry way.

00:03:49.700 Thank God for the X account, Stop Anti-Semitism.

00:03:52.860 If it weren't for that account, none of these people would be identified and caught.

00:03:57.260 This lovely couple here in Brooklyn was just the latest.

00:04:00.480 When confronted with tearing down the hostage posters, the wife, Kelly, clutches the papers in her hands. 0.66

00:04:07.040 While the husband, identified as Noah Schaefer, starts laughing.

00:04:11.120 It's so fun when you try to impede the investigation and recovery of hostages suffering children.

00:04:17.440 Such a good time, Noah.

00:04:19.180 Love to have that guy over here for cocktails. 0.98

00:04:21.840 And then there are those who are publicly celebrating the deaths, still calling for the annihilation of Israel.

00:04:28.420 Just last night in New York City, Eli Kline, a commentator on Twitter, I think he's in the art business, a Jewish man, says he came home to this.

00:04:39.460 Like who says I'm going to take the bongo?

00:05:07.880 He was like, I'll be the guy.

00:05:09.620 I'm going to hit the bongo.

00:05:11.040 That'll be my contribution to our big Intifada march.

00:05:16.740 Could somebody grab like some castanets too while we're, you know, all together?

00:05:21.100 The group calls for Intifada, as you heard right there, which, of course, is believed by many Jews experiencing this event right now to be a call for the elimination entirely of Israel, not to mention Jews, including right here in America.

00:05:39.100 Joining me now, Michael Knowles.

00:05:40.320 He's host of The Daily Wire's Michael Knowles Show.

00:05:43.940 Michael, welcome back.

00:05:45.300 You know, it's like, you're like, I'll do it.

00:05:48.120 You know, I'm going to bring my clarinet. 0.98

00:05:50.100 I'm just going to toot along on my woodwind to show my hatred for the Jews. 1.00

00:05:54.660 It's the tuba player in the marching band. 0.98

00:05:57.160 There's just no way to look cool while you're doing it.

00:06:00.000 You know, the bongos, that's not, you're not going to come out looking very cool. 0.95

00:06:04.980 You're probably not going to come out looking very cool if you're marching for the Intifada generally.

00:06:08.660 Though it's, as you pointed out, Megan, it's not just the extreme fringe left.

00:06:12.760 It goes all the way up to the White House.

00:06:15.080 When I heard Corrine Jean-Pierre's answer to that question, I thought of an old Norm Macdonald joke.

00:06:21.520 The late, great Norm Macdonald once said that his greatest fear was that jihadis would get their hands on a dirty bomb and they would detonate it over a major city,

00:06:31.900 killing tens of millions of innocent people because then the backlash against peaceful Muslims would be terrible.

00:06:40.860 And he kept a straight face and so did Corrine Jean-Pierre.

00:06:45.300 That joke, which was pretty funny when Norm said it, is now apparently the official White House policy, even as crimes against Jews skyrocket.

00:06:54.680 Yeah, these fictions become reality as time goes on.

00:06:59.440 Here she is today trying to clean it up this morning. 1.00

00:07:03.540 To be clear, oh, that would be wonderful.

00:07:06.020 Thank you.

00:07:06.420 But actually, you were perfectly clear.

00:07:07.840 You're just off point and pressing the wrong thing.

00:07:11.080 The president and our team are very concerned about a rise in anti-Semitism, especially after the horrific Hamas terrorist attack in Israel.

00:07:18.420 OK, so I you weren't clear the first time because the question was directly about anti-Semitism and you immediately pivoted to Islamophobia.

00:07:27.180 And that's that's what they do.

00:07:29.420 That's what people like Corrine Jean-Pierre, who are obsessed with skin color and identity, have been doing from the start of this thing.

00:07:37.580 I don't believe for one second she simply wasn't paying attention.

00:07:40.740 I think it was her own priors kicking in.

00:07:43.080 This is a wedge issue for Democrats, and it's increasingly a wedge issue for Democrats.

00:07:49.380 Previously, both parties in the United States supported the state of Israel.

00:07:52.940 That began to weaken during the Obama administration because Barack Obama hated Bibi Netanyahu.

00:07:58.820 And something tells me the feeling is probably mutual.

00:08:01.540 So Netanyahu cozied up more to Donald Trump and the Republicans.

00:08:05.820 This was occurring as the base of the left wing turned more against the state of Israel and more in favor of Palestinian liberation.

00:08:14.480 The reason that that was occurring at the base of the American left is because the arguments for Palestinian liberation echo many of the leftist domestic arguments here against colonialism, against Western civilization, against imperialism and all the rest of it.

00:08:32.460 So this is why you're seeing BLM here in America siding with the Hamas terrorists and even posting pictures of the paragliders saying that their fight is the same fight as the fight for BLM, because those same historical themes are cropping up.

00:08:47.920 Now, the normal Democrats, the more clubbable Democrats in the suits and the ties like Joe Biden, they obviously don't want to march in the streets for Hamas or anything like that.

00:08:56.680 But Joe Biden is not a conviction politician.

00:08:58.660 Joe Biden wakes up every morning, he licks his finger, he puts it in the wind, and he figures out which way the wind is blowing.

00:09:04.760 So they have to make a choice.

00:09:06.060 Are they going to defend the state of Israel or are they going to side with the more radical base?

00:09:10.480 And the choice has been clear enough, not just from Kareem Jean-Pierre, but from Justin Trudeau, the leader of America's evil top hat.

00:09:18.220 Trudeau has come out and he said, we stand with the Palestinians and black Muslims and whatever.

00:09:22.860 And so, you know, if you're looking around and you're confused on this issue and you say, well, I don't really know much about war in the Holy Land and this conflict seems to go back millennia and I don't really have a dog in the fight.

00:09:34.200 I'm not Muslim. 0.94

00:09:34.860 I'm not Jewish. 0.55

00:09:35.500 I don't really know what to think about it.

00:09:36.720 I think one good rule of thumb is look at where your own political allies and opponents are lining up.

00:09:43.280 And in this case, all of the worst politicians in America seem to be siding with Hamas or at the very least with the Palestine Liberation Project.

00:09:54.900 Did you call Canada our evil top hat?

00:09:58.160 I was using the official technical term, yes.

00:10:02.460 That's amazing.

00:10:03.980 You're so good at coming up with these little things.

00:10:05.720 Let's not forget Transheiser Bush. 0.95

00:10:08.240 That's a Michael Nolzer as well.

00:10:11.860 That's amazing.

00:10:12.820 Yes.

00:10:13.080 So what's happening here is like somehow Hamas is getting dumped into like the BLM basket and the same cast of characters that defended BLM is coming out. 0.67

00:10:23.260 And now we're seeing similar tactics.

00:10:25.680 You know, we saw them surround that old man's car yesterday.

00:10:30.060 We played the video in, was it Minnesota, Minneapolis?

00:10:33.260 I'm trying to remember where that guy was.

00:10:34.400 Yeah, it was Minneapolis.

00:10:35.720 Yeah, it was Minneapolis.

00:10:36.980 They got around this old guy.

00:10:38.400 He got scared.

00:10:39.660 He pulled a knife to try to defend himself and then tried to get out of the crowd.

00:10:43.980 And then you've got this BLM guy standing up saying, oh, he tried to ram the crowd. 0.69

00:10:48.920 No, he tried to get out of the crowd.

00:10:50.320 You threatened him.

00:10:51.500 He was terrified.

00:10:52.500 He was an old man.

00:10:53.520 So you see that tactic.

00:10:54.940 Then yesterday in Chicago, this was posted all over Twitter last night or X.

00:10:59.780 One of Charlie Kirk's associates from Turning Point was out there trying to escort a Jewish couple to a pro-Israel event through the throngs of these Palestinian Hamas supporters.

00:11:13.220 And the guy got attacked.

00:11:15.380 His name is Peter Christos.

00:11:16.900 It's SOT 20.

00:11:19.560 Hey, hey, hey.

00:11:20.480 Hey, back up.

00:11:33.040 Salud.

00:11:33.400 Why would you do that?

00:11:35.220 Why would you do that?

00:11:36.140 What about you now?

00:11:38.220 Go ahead.

00:11:39.780 Get it here.

00:11:43.040 Get it here.

00:11:43.540 So there's that. And then there's more of this. Here's a woman walking by

00:11:50.860 this pro-Palestinian protesters. She's walking by, walking while you watch it. It's from Skokie,

00:11:56.880 similar protest. It's not 17.

00:11:59.500 Look at her, look at her, look at her. 0.76

00:12:29.500 So these are the streets of America now because it's turning into BLM 2.0.

00:12:41.100 It is. And this is why the American interest in this war is very clear, at least to me.

00:12:47.480 The American interest in this war is to contain the war. That's not true of the other belligerents.

00:12:53.860 The interest of Hamas is to obliterate the state of Israel. The interest of Iran is to obliterate 0.98

00:13:00.080 the state of Israel. The interest of the state of Israel is to at least decapitate Hamas, 0.72

00:13:06.000 potentially flatten Gaza, certainly regime change in Iran. Those interests don't all 0.88

00:13:13.780 exactly line up with any of the other belligerents in this war. But for the United States,

00:13:19.020 the interest is very clear. We have to contain the war because we are so close to World War III. 0.58

00:13:25.500 We were already titling on the brink of World War III because we saw the first major war in Europe

00:13:30.700 since World War II break out in Ukraine, which seems to be yesterday's news. No one remembers

00:13:35.660 Ukraine anymore, but that's still going on. We also have an open border. We know that Hezbollah operates 0.96

00:13:42.200 in Mexico. We know that there are Islamic militants in the United States. We know that if a major war

00:13:50.060 does break out, if the United States, for instance, goes to war with Iran, we know that there could be

00:13:53.540 attacks on the homeland and very likely would be. So we have to be clear about our strategic objectives

00:14:00.220 here. And the other thing we need to be clear about is the parallels between the arguments, because

00:14:06.520 the argument that the pro-Palestine people are making against Israel is that Israel is a colonial

00:14:13.480 project of the British Empire and colonialism is very bad. And that's why we need to wipe the whole

00:14:19.660 nation out. And I think we need to be clear-eyed about it and say they kind of have a point. They

00:14:25.960 have a point in as much as the establishment of the modern nation state of Israel comes out of the

00:14:30.400 Balfour Declaration from the British Empire, the British mandate for Palestine, and then is established

00:14:35.380 by the United Nations, which is also a kind of colonial project. And the reason it is very

00:14:40.940 important for Americans to be clear about this is because every single one of those arguments can be

00:14:46.300 used for the abolition of the United States of America, which is also a colonial project that also

00:14:51.600 came out of the British Empire with the same sorts of people marching in the streets, in fact,

00:14:56.240 waving the very same flags, calling for not just the death of Israel, but the death of America as 0.90

00:15:01.680 this is why Iran refers to Israel as the little Satan and America as the great Satan. That's why 0.94

00:15:07.680 there is a convergence of interests here that could teeter over out of the Middle East all the way to

00:15:13.080 the American homeland. And in both circumstances, we each fought wars to establish our right to be

00:15:20.120 in charge of ourselves and to have our own independent country. And we won. We won and Israel won. 0.92

00:15:26.580 I mean, sorry. I guess you didn't like the way it turned out, but that's the way it turned out. You

00:15:30.800 guys lost. Israel got attacked by six other countries. It was a devastating event. It wasn't

00:15:37.000 six. But my point is they got it from all different angles and they won. And now it's like, well, you

00:15:41.480 should have given up the territory anyway. And time and time again, I mean, over the past 50, 70 years,

00:15:46.860 Israel has tried. They have tried to offer a two state solution. They have said, what about this?

00:15:50.600 What about that? What about that? They've given or offered Hamas and the Palestinians almost all of what they 0.99

00:15:56.580 it's never good enough because what they want is not two states. They want one, theirs and no Israel. 0.96

00:16:04.900 Well, this is why when you hear members of the squad who are American leftist politicians,

00:16:09.940 when they say from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free, the meaning of that statement is clear

00:16:15.660 as day, which is that the nation state of Israel needs to cease to exist. But let's take their logic

00:16:20.680 a little bit further. When they say from the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free. 0.85

00:16:24.720 We all know that they would apply that very same argument to the United States. This is why all of these

00:16:30.480 people sign their emails with those ridiculous little Native American acknowledgement lines. 0.70

00:16:35.520 I acknowledge that I'm on the land of the Hakuhuki Indians, wherever it is. And it's always fun to 0.53

00:16:41.840 challenge them and say, OK, if we're going to destroy the United States, cease to exist as a body politic,

00:16:47.740 and we give the land back to the Indians, which Indians do we give them to? Do we give the land 0.93

00:16:53.040 back to the Comanche? I guess we could, but we might want to give it back to the Apache from whom 1.00

00:16:57.620 the Comanche stole the land. Or should we give it back to this group or that group? Even you hear 1.00

00:17:03.000 these arguments about the Mount Rushmore and the Black Hills, and we're told by these very same people

00:17:09.500 arguing for the liberation of the oppressed indigenous people, they say we need to give the Black Hills back

00:17:14.820 to the Lakota Sioux. Well, when did the Lakota come into possession of the Black Hills? In antiquity?

00:17:20.820 No, it was in 1776. It was right around the time that we launched our own revolution here in the

00:17:25.120 United States. And they took it from another group. And the law of conquest still holds as it has held 0.66

00:17:30.080 for all of history. If we fall into the trap of radical revolutionary ideology, there will be no

00:17:38.860 end to the turmoil and there will be no end to the bloodshed. Well said. We just went to Mount Rushmore

00:17:45.200 this past year and took a little venture over to see Crazy Horse, which is under development as well.

00:17:51.840 Do they want to give that back? Who do we give that one back to? Do the Native Americans get that, 1.00

00:17:55.420 or does it have to go back to the white man since we're switching it all up? We'll find out. We'll tune

00:18:00.020 in. Let's talk about what the White House messaging on this. So we play Karine Jean-Pierre.

00:18:05.120 What we're really concerned about is Islamophobia. That's really the issue in response to a direct

00:18:10.120 question on anti-Semitism. Then she tries to clean it up today. She was also asked about the insanity

00:18:15.740 on college campuses and what we're seeing there. And suddenly, just like those college campus

00:18:21.000 university presidents, she and this White House have found their commitment to free speech in America.

00:18:28.000 Sat 8. But does the president view anti-Israel protests and sentiment on college campuses as

00:18:35.800 anti-Semitism? So look, I'm not going to get into what's happening across the country and at different

00:18:41.140 universities. I'm not going to get into the specifics. As the admiral said, the First Amendment,

00:18:45.120 right? Right? That's what something, a peaceful protest is really a part of our democracy,

00:18:50.800 being able for folks to be able to express their feelings. I'm not going to get into any specifics

00:18:58.500 on that. The president has been very clear on denouncing any type of violence. And so as it

00:19:04.340 relates to peaceful protesting, people have the right to do that. Do they? Because I seem to remember

00:19:12.360 some white supremacist rally in which somebody was killed, but separate and apart, just the tiki 0.80

00:19:18.240 torch holders. They became a campaign issue for these people for how long? I'm not sure they're

00:19:24.940 so in favor of peaceful protests when you're saying things like, there's no such thing as a man

00:19:30.420 becoming a woman. When you're saying things as vile as the white supremacist say, right? It depends

00:19:35.700 on the issue. Corrine, does it not? And this case is the absolute perfect example, Megan, because

00:19:42.820 the most prominent anti-Israel pro-Hamas protest we've seen on campus just took place at Harvard

00:19:49.640 University, where you had dozens of student groups signing this letter against Israel and in support

00:19:55.540 of Hamas. A Harvard professor, Professor Kayyem, I think her name is, at the Harvard Kennedy School,

00:20:02.740 just came out in the Advocate, which is some LGBT LMNOP blog, and called me a stochastic terrorist

00:20:11.800 because, in a speech, I said that I don't believe in transgenderism, and I think men and women are

00:20:17.100 different, and one can't become the other, and we should stop entertaining this delusion.

00:20:21.280 This professor at Harvard calls me a stochastic terrorist for saying that boys and girls are

00:20:25.860 different. Meanwhile, Harvard is openly supporting actual terrorists who are committing actual egregious

00:20:32.520 acts of terrorism in the United States and in Israel with absolute impunity. The inversion to

00:20:42.140 them doesn't seem to occur. No surprise. You can always tell a Harvard man, but you can't tell him

00:20:47.920 much. The inversion doesn't seem to occur because reason has fallen out of their politics. This is one

00:20:55.800 of the hallmarks of the new left, which came about because of a bunch of egghead intellectuals from

00:21:01.440 the Marxist tradition in the 1960s. People like Herbert Marcuse and others who have followed and

00:21:07.460 infiltrated all of the universities. They have taken reason largely out of the equation, and so politics

00:21:13.920 ceases to be a matter for rational inquiry that grants the reality of objective truth, which we can

00:21:20.400 discover using our reason and using logic, that all goes out the window. What we've been told by

00:21:26.540 especially the neo-Marxists in the academy is that that's all just a cover for power. All of those

00:21:33.360 arguments are nothing but a facade for the bare bones, bare knuckle battle of political power, and so

00:21:40.760 what politics ultimately comes down to for them is we need to destroy our enemies and reward our friends,

00:21:46.680 even if it means that we have to openly support terrorists and we have to cancel ordinary people

00:21:51.820 by calling them terrorists. It's amazing that they've suddenly found their newfound, you know,

00:21:56.880 commitment to free speech now. Now, I mean, this White House, by the way, it wasn't just Karine

00:22:01.960 Jean-Pierre. She referenced the admiral. She's talking about John Kirby, who got up and said something

00:22:06.140 similar. Watch him. There's been an uptick on the right among some Republicans who have called for

00:22:13.580 students or foreign nationals who are demonstrating in some of these pro-Palestine demonstrations or,

00:22:20.860 you know, allegedly pro-Bamas demonstrations to have their student visas pulled,

00:22:25.100 board-faced, deportation. What is the administration's remark, response to those kinds of

00:22:30.080 remarks, that kind of rhetoric? I would just tell you, I would just tell you, you don't have to agree

00:22:34.000 with every sentiment that's expressed in a free country like this, uh, to, um, to stand by the,

00:22:40.640 the, the ID, the first amendment and the idea of peaceful protest. I'll leave it at that.

00:22:45.880 Okay. So now we're getting it from it. So it's okay. If you say you're pro-Hamas terrorists, 0.95

00:22:51.260 um, because of the first amendment, even though the first question was about college campuses,

00:22:55.240 which don't necessarily involve the government. So the government, you know, they're, they're very

00:22:59.360 careful now, right? It's like, Oh, what's happening on college campuses. Suddenly we don't want to weigh in.

00:23:02.820 Secondly, the issue of deporting foreign nationals who are here, who are openly supporting a terrorist

00:23:09.820 group and a terrorist attack. It's not imagined. It's not ethereal. It happened two weeks ago and

00:23:17.220 they're in support of it and they were supporting it and chanting in the streets even before Israel

00:23:21.820 began its retaliation, uh, campaign, its justice campaign. Um, so now he wants to defend even the

00:23:28.340 foreigners who are here on our invitation by, uh, by, by our grace chanting. What that American Jews 1.00

00:23:36.640 who were killed in Israel, American Jews who have been taken hostage, that they should, they should 0.99

00:23:41.900 stay in Hamas's hands. Get out, go home. Of course. You know, I point this out in my book, 0.97

00:23:48.160 speechless, that even if we were talking about the first amendment here, the first amendment has

00:23:52.280 always had all sorts of limits around it, uh, particularly for this kind of speech going back

00:23:57.740 to the founding of our country. But that doesn't even really apply to the conversation here.

00:24:02.020 We're talking about foreign nationals who are in the United States on visas at the pleasure of the 0.92

00:24:07.920 United States and the government. We easily could rescind these things for any number of reasons,

00:24:12.480 but, but all of a sudden, uh, the white house doesn't, doesn't want to do that because.

00:24:17.380 Michael open support of terrorism is a stated grounds for revoking these visas. It's not even

00:24:22.740 like we have to make it up or make an argument. It's right there. Exactly. Exactly. But they're,

00:24:28.480 they're in a very tough spot because don't forget the recent historical context surrounding this attack

00:24:35.300 on the state of Israel. Joe Biden had just given the Iranians a ton of money and then the Iranians 0.98

00:24:40.680 go ahead and they fund these terror groups that commit the atrocities. So Joe Biden's hands are not

00:24:46.920 exactly clean here. And there, there's another issue that goes even below the level of explicit policy

00:24:53.220 down to culture, which is that for a long time in the United States, basically everybody supported

00:24:59.140 the state of Israel. And then that started to break down a little bit during the Obama years,

00:25:03.040 Bibi Netanyahu, and then Netanyahu likes Trump and all those things happen. There is the cultural fact

00:25:08.800 that support for Israel now carries a cultural connotation of being kind of right wing. It carries

00:25:16.680 this connotation of these evangelical Christians in the middle of the country, you know, those 0.97

00:25:22.020 deplorable, irredeemable people. They're the most gung ho on the state of Israel. And, and we're not 0.87

00:25:27.860 with them. We're, we're elite educated people from the beltway or from the ivory tower. And so it just as,

00:25:34.380 as a cultural aversion, a class kind of aversion, you're seeing that, that class distinction now for

00:25:41.000 support of Israel. And it's happening very, very quickly, but it's infiltrating all of the elite

00:25:46.780 power centers, including now all the way up to the NSC through its spokesman.

00:25:51.740 It's, it's crazy to watch, you know, like, Oh, you know, yeah, they can stay. I mean,

00:25:55.640 how explicit does the support for terror have to be? Because having foreigners here in the United 1.00

00:26:02.500 States who openly support terror didn't work out for us so well on September 11th. And we need to be

00:26:08.560 really careful, really careful about this because the latest reports are, there are more and more

00:26:14.160 terrorists coming into the United States right now. Um, according to the latest numbers, listen to

00:26:20.080 this. It is hold on 169 people on the FBI's terror watch list have crossed the Southern border as of

00:26:31.520 September. That's fiscal year, 2023. That is the highest ever recorded in this past year for one

00:26:39.860 year, highest year ever recorded higher than the previous six years combined combined. These are

00:26:47.820 people already on the terror watch list streaming across the Southern border now, Michael. And if you

00:26:52.840 don't think that we're not going to get a fair amount of Hamas and Hamas, you know, uh, affiliates

00:26:59.220 trying to exploit that weakness. You're crazy. I'm sure they'd love to get here. I'm sure they'd love 0.99

00:27:05.380 to go to New York city and to LA where we have very large Jewish populations and see what they can't do 0.59

00:27:10.840 to help out the cause domestically over here. Megan, why would Joe Biden and the Democrats care

00:27:16.760 about foreign terrorists entering the country when they encourage domestic terrorists on their own

00:27:22.200 side? This has been going on at the very least since the George Floyd riots. Don't forget you had

00:27:27.360 domestic terrorists, BLM and Antifa people committing textbook definition acts of terrorism,

00:27:34.360 attacking civilians to achieve a political purpose. They were burning down buildings. They were killing

00:27:39.280 dozens of people. They were looting. They were committing arson. They were setting federal buildings

00:27:43.880 on fire. And not only did the Democrats not try to stop it, the Democrats bailed them out of jail. Don't

00:27:50.500 forget Kamala Harris, now vice president of the United States herself directly made an appeal to bail

00:27:56.240 those terrorists out of jail. Staff members for Joe Biden, now the president of the United States,

00:28:00.680 made an appeal to bail those terrorists out of jail. So they support these kinds of actions.

00:28:08.100 I suspect one of the reasons is that the liberal elite actually benefit from this kind of a chaos.

00:28:16.180 A term used for this is sometimes anarcho-tyranny. So I'm not surprised at all. Probably Joe Biden is

00:28:22.860 going to roll out the red carpet for Hamas and Hezbollah to cross the Rio Grande because they're 1.00

00:28:27.820 too busy, worried at what they consider the real terror threat, which is parents who show up to school

00:28:34.240 board meetings, which is Catholics who go to mass, which is pro-lifers who pray on the street outside

00:28:40.580 of abortion clinics. That's where they're going to focus their threat. Meanwhile, the jihadis are going

00:28:45.080 to come skipping across the border. You know, I know you're sort of making a joke, but there's

00:28:51.960 real truth to it. Because if you look at that 105 billion request that Joe Biden announced the other

00:28:57.240 night, 104, 105, 60 billion would go help Ukraine. 4 billion would go to our southern border. And I think

00:29:06.200 11 billion to Israel. How, how are we, how do we get the smallest amount of border security and two

00:29:16.160 foreign countries get, I mean, way more than double. I can't do the math. How many guys before going to

00:29:21.920 60? A lot, a lot of times, right? So he, we can see where his priority or where his priorities are

00:29:27.420 right now. He doesn't care about the war that's being unleashed against us on that southern border as

00:29:32.940 we've completely lost control of what's happening. That number one 69 in a year would never have been

00:29:38.460 tolerated even five years after nine 11, but now we're getting complacent. Oh, of course. And, you

00:29:45.020 know, not that long ago, the Democrats were opposed at least in word to illegal immigration. Let go

00:29:51.560 listen to Bill Clinton speeches from the nineties. He, he would be called a far right fascist given his

00:29:57.600 rhetoric today. By the way, Megan, even that $4 billion, while yes, it is paltry, it is nothing

00:30:04.420 compared to 60 billion compared to 11 billion, but even that $4 billion isn't going to do anything.

00:30:10.320 If the Biden administration makes it its official policy, not to detain and deport the illegal aliens.

00:30:16.820 So what are they going to do? They're going to staff up a little bit more. They might build five more

00:30:21.320 inches of a border fence. The people are still going to come across. They're going to be processed in the

00:30:26.020 United States where they're not released on the spot. Then even after their process, they'll be

00:30:29.960 released into the interior of the country, never to be heard from again until they come back.

00:30:34.180 And in Joe Biden's expectation, show up and vote for Democrats. So you could give 4 billion or 40

00:30:40.680 billion or 400 billion. If the policy is just to take in whoever comes and not really to deport all

00:30:45.800 that many people, then it's not going to make a difference at all. And that clearly is the policy.

00:30:51.660 There's been almost no effort to clean up that Southern border. And now when he's going back

00:30:55.720 with hand, hat in hand, it's, it's an afterthought. He obviously only included that amount of money

00:31:01.120 just to placate the Republicans whose votes he needs, um, in order to get that throw. All right,

00:31:06.320 standby. We're going to take a quick break and we will be right back more with Michael Knowles,

00:31:10.520 who stays with us.

00:31:16.080 We know about the problem on college campuses. That's very clear. The white house doesn't want

00:31:19.780 to talk about it, but the professors certainly want to be heard. 1700 sociology professors. They

00:31:27.340 have nothing else to do. That's obvious. Uh, sign a letter accusing Israel of genocide,

00:31:33.180 accusing Israel of genocide after it's just had 1500 of its citizens brutally murdered in their beds,

00:31:41.180 in their homes, in their safe shelters, civilians, babies, old ladies,

00:31:45.180 accusing Israel of genocide and arguing that Hamas terror must be contextualized as a response to

00:31:54.240 75 years of settler colonial occupation and European empire. This is via Chris Ruffo,

00:32:01.600 um, who's got his finger on the pulse of what's happening on these campuses. So you look at the

00:32:05.940 1700 signatories. They include signatures from professors at Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Oxford,

00:32:13.060 Brown, Berkeley, and other, uh, institutions. If you, if you scroll through, apparently, apparently,

00:32:22.120 um, they accepted the people, the 1700 and then had to remove as a signatory, Dr. Joseph Mengele.

00:32:32.140 And, but guess who got through as you scroll through? Guess who got through? Adolf Hitler, 0.81

00:32:42.680 professor emeritus, sociology, university of Austria. Wow. I don't know why they did such a careful

00:32:52.320 screen of their letter. That sums it up. I think, you know, some years ago, there was the wonderful

00:32:58.660 SoCal squared, uh, grievance studies hoax from, uh, Peter Boghossian and James Lindsay, where they

00:33:04.320 submitted a bunch of nonsense papers and they were accepted by these nonsense departments, which was

00:33:09.700 really wonderful. We saw in psychology, there was the replication crisis a few years ago where a lot

00:33:15.140 of studies couldn't be replicated. Forget about sociology and all these other ridiculous pseudo

00:33:19.960 academic departments. These people want to talk about colonization in the Middle East. That's fine.

00:33:27.140 I think we should begin by talking about colonization in the academy, however, because

00:33:31.940 what the left has so brilliantly succeeded at over the past 60 years is amassing power by first

00:33:40.480 colonizing the universities. And so what they've done is they, they became the tenured radicals to

00:33:47.480 use the phrase of, uh, I think it was Roger Kimball's phrase. Uh, they were the radical students of the

00:33:52.880 1960s. They then remained in the academy. They got professorships, even far left terrorists,

00:33:58.960 members of the weather underground, people like Bill Ayers. They become professors. They take over

00:34:03.740 these departments. They establish new departments that exist for no other purpose than to promote

00:34:08.380 leftist ideology and indoctrination departments like ethnic studies or, uh, women's and gender studies

00:34:17.220 or all the studies, studies departments. And so they fill those departments up with their fellow

00:34:23.120 travelers. And then they gain a greater role in the governance of the university itself.

00:34:28.420 And eventually they've so stacked the deck that a conservative professor can't even really get

00:34:34.160 through. Forget about in sociology and gender studies and all those ridiculous departments, 0.83

00:34:38.460 but even in the relatively more normal departments, departments like history, departments like

00:34:43.640 philosophy, departments like, uh, mathematics or engineering, even those to a lesser degree

00:34:48.740 become so stacked with the leftists who have an agenda that the conservatives get squeezed out.

00:34:53.720 And that's happened at virtually every single prestigious university in the United States to the

00:34:58.420 point that conservatives have now needed alternatives. So conservatives have Hillsdale.

00:35:03.240 Conservatives have Franciscan of Steubenville. Uh, and by conservatives, I mean just ordinary people,

00:35:08.840 Christians in many cases, Ave Maria university, Liberty university, they're at Thomas Aquinas college.

00:35:13.540 There are a handful of these, but they lack the massive power and prestige and endowments that

00:35:19.200 you have at places like Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Princeton. And so these wacko sociologists probably 1.00

00:35:25.260 don't know what end is up. I'm almost certain of it. They're going to say things that are egregious

00:35:29.680 and preposterous, but they're not going to face any consequences for it because they own the

00:35:34.660 universities and with it, a lot of influence. You're so right. I mean, like to jump right to,

00:35:41.280 okay, we have to contextualize the terror, which they don't use the word terror, just the violence

00:35:46.880 in the context of 75 years of settler colonial occupation. Oh, tell us what side are you on? It's

00:35:52.320 hard for us to glean. They go on to say as educators, it's our duty to stand by the principles

00:35:57.020 of critical inquiry and learning. Well, that's true, but you've completely abandoned your duty

00:36:01.960 to hold the university as a space for conversation that foregrounds historical truths. And then they go

00:36:07.900 on to say, we're also deeply troubled by the lack of concern and care for Palestinian and Muslim

00:36:13.900 students at many of our universities, as well as efforts to clamp down on student organizing and

00:36:18.920 free speech. Leave the Students for Justice for Palestine students alone. Leave them alone. Let them

00:36:25.380 go out there and chant that Israel has no right to exist or kill the Jews or gas the Jews or whatever 1.00

00:36:31.040 happens to be the slogan du jour. They're the ones who are the real victims. Just ask Karine Jean-Pierre. 0.99

00:36:37.340 So these people, you're right. They have access to our kids at all of these elite universities.

00:36:42.200 Bill Ayers founded Weather Underground, who you mentioned. He's at University of Illinois.

00:36:46.640 His wife, Bernadine Dorn, she was on the FBI's 10 Most Wanted. She's at Northwestern Law School.

00:36:54.640 You're right. They got into these universities and we mocked them and we kind of scoffed at it like,

00:37:00.780 this is absurd. And yet they're creating their own new terror adjacent network.

00:37:09.640 Of course. I mean, I suppose it already existed because they were literally terrorists in the 1960s.

00:37:14.880 So the network has been festering for a long time and we all mocked it. And we said five or six years

00:37:20.460 ago, we said, oh, look at these crazy little snowflakes on the college campuses. Just wait

00:37:24.100 until they get into the real world and then they'll learn a lesson or two. And that didn't happen.

00:37:27.960 They taught us all a lesson or two. They taught us all a lesson about political power. Where these

00:37:32.580 sociology professors who support terrorism give away the game though, is just after the justification

00:37:39.660 because they say, well, we oppose colonialism and settlements. And the implication is they oppose

00:37:47.140 the establishment of the state of Israel. And one could even grant all of their questions and say,

00:37:52.980 yes, the Israel-Palestine conflict is a very long one. It's gone on in its present form for more than

00:37:57.980 a century. And it's gone on in some form or another for millennia at this point. So yes,

00:38:03.300 there are all sorts of complexities to it. In no circumstance justified by none of those complexities

00:38:10.480 can one attack civilians and commit acts of terrorism and rape, kill, pillage, and burn innocent

00:38:17.140 people. If one wants to make an argument that the Palestinians are entitled to some form of war or

00:38:26.680 some form of state or whatever, then in order to make any argument at all, you have to subject that

00:38:32.720 argument to reason. And fortunately, we in the West have something called just war theory, and it dates 0.89

00:38:38.720 all the way back to antiquity. It goes back to Cicero, perhaps even further back. And it's developed by

00:38:43.760 people like St. Thomas Aquinas and many great thinkers since then. And it means that there are

00:38:48.220 certain criteria that must exist in order to justify, one, going to war, and two, conducting war. And

00:38:56.960 those are related but distinct fields. And one can think about it and have a discussion about it and

00:39:02.820 make sure that you dot your T's and cross your I's while you are engaging in war. And there is no

00:39:10.520 argument whatsoever according to any ethical or moral view that would justify acts of terrorism

00:39:18.480 against civilians. Now, have these sociologists ever even considered just war? Have they ever read

00:39:25.440 a serious philosopher in their lives? Probably not. But it just shows you how hollow the university has

00:39:31.320 become because they dress up their arguments in all this fancy jargon with their nice little hats and

00:39:38.000 diplomas and university robes from the ivory tower. But it's all completely absent any actual

00:39:43.820 intellectual rigor or tradition. It is nothing but a facade for their naked, appetitive political

00:39:50.860 interests to bludgeon the people that they consider to be their enemies. And then they'll go and sip high

00:39:56.940 tea afterwards in Harvard Yard. But it's all a farce for the most ruthless, brutal, thuggish kind of

00:40:04.940 behavior that one could expect. Okay. Because I'm, I am an OCD type person. I have to say it's cross

00:40:12.360 your T's and dot your I's. Oh, I was so close. It's like a little robot inside of me, like have to

00:40:22.420 correct. It's going to bother me. I know you know that. Um, you, something you said is very true and

00:40:29.980 kind of chilling, not kind of, it is chilling about how we laughed at them and we thought we'd be

00:40:35.540 teaching them a lesson. And in fact, they're teaching us a lesson. I used to say years ago

00:40:40.540 on Fox, I used to say, great, you know, you go ahead, cry in your soup, you little snowflakes.

00:40:45.220 I can't wait until my kids have to compete against you. You losers. My kids are going to crush you. 1.00

00:40:49.500 They're going to crush you all because they're strong and they've been allowed to fail and they

00:40:53.900 understand what true safety and true danger are. And it's, it's not true. Like, look at the way you

00:41:01.180 have to apply to get into college. Now it's destitution Derby. You know, I'm oppressed on

00:41:07.380 many, many fronts. I'm, I'm a lesbian and I'm black and I'm in a wheelchair and I'm whatever,

00:41:13.200 whatever. I don't, I'm trans. I'm actually secretly a man, all of it to try to one up the next 1.00

00:41:18.900 applicant. My mother washed more floors for less money than your mother did. And I promise you she

00:41:24.260 was darker. Uh, yes, it's a, it has to have a melanin component. It has to have a melanin

00:41:28.620 component because the class does no longer matters. Um, but like you as Michael Knowles,

00:41:33.580 this brilliant young white man applying saying, stop it. I, I am a Christian and I had a really

00:41:39.800 lovely childhood. I had good parents and I had a nice supportive system around me. It's like,

00:41:45.820 it's a no get out. Right. They, they have one. Well, even, even now after the Supreme court shot

00:41:53.860 down affirmative action and college admissions, because it was being used to discriminate against

00:41:58.760 white people, which probably would have been fine. They would have gotten away with that, 1.00

00:42:01.620 but it was also discriminating against these poor Asian people. And in our, even in our politically

00:42:07.260 correct culture, that still was a bridge too far. So they struck down race-based affirmative action,

00:42:11.600 but then what did the universities do? What did Harvard say the next day? They said,

00:42:15.640 don't worry about that decision. Yes, we're not going to have the racial box on the application

00:42:20.140 anymore, but don't worry. We still have the personal statement. So in fact, they doubled down

00:42:25.900 on exactly what you're describing. Oh my God. Some started asking for videotape submissions. Like

00:42:31.820 if you could just read, if you could read your essay aloud, what, what do you need that for?

00:42:40.460 Whatever do you need that for? Keep going. Just to see if they like the cut of our jib. I think

00:42:44.000 that's, that must be what they're after. Yeah. It's so transparent, but it's so infuriating,

00:42:49.060 right? That wellness will be held against you. And these weak snowflakes, they're the ones who

00:42:55.100 are getting into these colleges. Not that we want our kids to go to these colleges anymore,

00:42:58.720 but that's all of this has fed into what's now exploding on these campuses at the professorial

00:43:06.960 and the student level. You know, my friend Yoram Hazoni made a really great point.

00:43:12.080 Speaking of Jews and intellectuals, Yoram Hazoni, an Israeli philosopher made this point that all we

00:43:17.760 hear today is about the importance of critical thinking. Even I've used the phrase, many of us

00:43:23.100 on the right use the phrase, but he said, why do we have this exclusive focus on critical thinking

00:43:27.960 to the complete neglect of constructive thinking? Isn't the point of thinking to build upon ideas

00:43:35.940 and to grow in complexity and to gain a clearer view of the world and objective reality? Why is

00:43:41.660 everything merely about criticism and breaking things down? And it ties into just what we were

00:43:46.420 talking about at the university. The story of the destruction of the Western university has been

00:43:52.160 the story of the growth of critical theory, critical literary theory, critical legal theory,

00:43:56.980 critical this theory, critical racial theory, all of these different critical theories, which seek

00:44:02.400 ultimately something that was called for by Karl Marx, which is the complete destruction of all that

00:44:09.640 exists. So we tear things down. They're very good at tearing things down. They're very good at exalting

00:44:16.340 brokenness and failure and all sorts of unpleasant conditions. But to your point, Megan,

00:44:25.700 shouldn't we want to be normal? Shouldn't we want to have a good society? Shouldn't we want

00:44:31.460 to flourish? Isn't that the standard to which we are aiming? What the universities have done not only

00:44:37.440 is take truth out of the equation, what the universities have done is not only take the great

00:44:42.440 works of the Western canon out of the situation, but they've even inverted the standard. Now the standard

00:44:49.220 to be aimed at is brokenness and resentment and envy and pride and all of the deadly sins, all of the

00:44:57.000 brokenness of this world, rather than what it used to be, which is you would go to education to become

00:45:03.640 most perfectly yourself, to make sense of your freedom and to become good and normal. Good and

00:45:09.800 normal have no place in the modern university. I'm just now seeing like, forgive the analogy because

00:45:15.560 it's too extreme, but I'm just seeing it. You know how they we've been talking a lot about how Hamas 0.75

00:45:20.860 and it's not just Hamas. Let's face it. There are many Palestinians who do this to raise their kids 0.99

00:45:25.720 to hate Jews. It's kind of it's baked right into their school books, their cradle lessons that you

00:45:31.660 hate. You hate Jews. You see them as the Israelis are the infidel. You have to, you know, how many they 1.00

00:45:36.280 teach math with like you killed three Israelis and your brother killed two. How many Israelis are dead?

00:45:41.680 That's in textbooks over there. It's it's kind of, you know, far afield, but it's kind of related to the way

00:45:49.140 our professors see our children going into these universities. They have all these fresh recruits on whom

00:45:55.980 they can imprint their terrible ideas. And let's face it, the parents have a hand in it, too, because I know that

00:46:03.260 when you get older and have children who are college age, Michael Knowles' children will not be in danger of

00:46:10.260 being indoctrinated in this way at any university. Brown, Stanford, Harvard. They won't. And mine

00:46:16.320 won't either because they're being inoculated by me and my husband every day. I wish we didn't have

00:46:21.780 to do it. Right. But it's a it's a treacherous combo of parents who are, you know, too busy or

00:46:27.000 just trusting the schools. And then these agenda driven professors who really want to recruit them

00:46:32.860 as soldiers. Of course. And I think the analogy is apt because this has always been the the great

00:46:41.200 promise of education is that kids minds are pretty malleable. So especially when they're much younger,

00:46:46.460 you can shape them. But even when they're in college, it's much easier to shape a kid's mind

00:46:49.880 than a 50 year old's mind. But you point out that Hamas raises their kids just to consistently hate 0.85

00:46:55.640 Jews. What the university professors teach the kids to do is to hate their parents, hate their family, 0.85

00:47:01.860 hate their heritage, hate their culture and hate their country. So it's much closer to home. And

00:47:06.560 that principle that seems like it's so far away on the other side of the world. It's it's in action

00:47:12.440 here as well. Yeah. You know, Victor Davis Hanson has a really good piece up talking about what to do

00:47:19.400 to figure out whether you're about to send your kid to one of these campuses. One of the things he

00:47:23.480 says is go sit on the quad for an hour. See see what groups are there. See what you hear. Get it. Get

00:47:29.320 your hands on some celibate. Go through the bookstore, the college bookstore and see what books are

00:47:33.620 required. It's all good stuff. And there's a bit about federal loans as well. Michael Knowles stays

00:47:38.280 with us. Don't go away. Michael, the congressional reaction from the squad continues to horrify.

00:47:49.080 Rashida Tlaib now continues to refuse to acknowledge that it was not an Israeli airstrike

00:47:55.620 and it did not hit a hospital. It was a misfired rocket from Islamic Jihad, an ally of Hamas

00:48:04.080 that fell on a parking lot next to a hospital. And like the New York Times, which continues to repeat

00:48:10.260 that this Palestinian, this Hamas information that it was hundreds, it was almost 500 dead.

00:48:16.080 The Europeans that have gone in to investigate, they say they believe it's between 10 and 50

00:48:21.280 who died, not 500. OK, so the New York Times continued to push that yesterday, even as they

00:48:26.600 were trying to issue a correction of their earlier misreporting. Rashida Tlaib, AOC, same, continue.

00:48:33.240 And in the face of all this, Rashida Tlaib blames us. Both the Israeli and the United States

00:48:37.660 governments have long documented histories of misleading the public about wars and war crimes.

00:48:42.780 OK, in this context, she doesn't believe our Pentagon, our Pentagon's, I guess, just knee

00:48:48.760 jerk siding with the side that provided radar, that provided raw video, that's that we saw

00:48:54.360 on Al Jazeera simultaneously, that provided an intercepted call between two Hamas terrorists.

00:49:00.560 OK, so she won't go there. She doesn't want to know the truth. Then here's AOC talking to,

00:49:06.820 I mean, really, he's just he's a Hamas sympathizer, Mehdi Hassan, MSNBC's face of the coverage here.

00:49:12.780 And here's the conversation, just a bit of it that they had on Sunday, Sat 6.

00:49:18.000 You mentioned dehumanization. All or almost all of the at least 18 House Democrats who've

00:49:22.520 called for a ceasefire in Gaza are people of color. How much of the congressional indifference

00:49:27.060 to Palestinian life in Gaza, the refusal in D.C. to acknowledge sometimes the humanity and

00:49:31.660 the innocence, not to mention suffering of ordinary Gazans, how much of that is driven by

00:49:36.900 the fact that they're Arabs or they're mostly all Muslims or they don't look like us, do you think?

00:49:42.780 I mean, I will say that. I have long found the ignoring and sidelining of Palestinians in 1.00

00:49:52.600 the U.S. House of Representatives, the palace, the humanity of Palestinian populations

00:49:56.920 in the five years that have been in Congress, quite shocking.

00:50:00.400 There we go. Back to skin color. And the reason the lunatics like Rashida Tlaib and Cori Bush 1.00

00:50:09.340 are being sidelined is their skin color, not the lunacy of what they're saying, Michael. 0.97

00:50:15.680 Yes. Not because Rashida Tlaib called for the abolition of all prisons in the United States,

00:50:20.540 not because of any. That's just one example. It's like shooting fish in a barrel with bad

00:50:25.060 political opinions from Rashida Tlaib. No, no. It's because she is vaguely brown. Yes. If you look

00:50:32.940 outside of Rashida Tlaib's office, you can get a perfect picture of the American left. You get a

00:50:39.800 union sticker on the door, a union sticker for striking union workers who are striking because

00:50:45.940 of Joe Biden's policies on union workers. You get that disingenuous union sticker on the wall.

00:50:51.600 Then you get a Palestine flag. Then you get a flag of the state of Michigan. That's good.

00:50:57.360 Then you get a flag of the city of Detroit. Okay. That's pretty good. And then you get the rainbow

00:51:01.800 gay flag. There's one flag that's missing. I don't know if you could catch in that summary where

00:51:08.420 there's one kind of important flag. The American flag has no place whatsoever in Rashida Tlaib's

00:51:13.980 office because the left, while always vaguely anti-American, is now overtly anti-American.

00:51:21.600 And so I don't think there's anything wrong with disregarding the opinion of a woman who would 1.00

00:51:26.240 raise all sorts of flags, but the one that she's supposed to represent as a member of Congress. 0.78

00:51:31.040 And further, I would go further than that. I would say no American politician outside of a diplomatic

00:51:36.880 role should be flying the flag of a foreign country at their government office. There's something

00:51:43.080 deeply disordered about that, but then there's much that is deeply disordered with the entire squad.

00:51:48.140 So they are all demanding an immediate ceasefire. They continue to not take responsibility for Hamas 0.91

00:51:55.460 in terms of contextualizing the civilians who are dying in Gaza right now. It's all on Hamas. 0.68

00:52:01.680 Every civilian that is dying in Gaza is a result of Hamas's terrorist attack. That's the truth. 0.51

00:52:06.780 The civilians that our troops killed inadvertently in Afghanistan when they invaded in Iraq,

00:52:12.840 that's all as a result of the 9-11 terrorists. That is not American soldiers wanting to kill

00:52:17.800 civilians. This is what happens in a war, a fact that the media won't report. They want to blame it

00:52:24.420 all on Israel, evil Israel, without contextualizing any of it. And this is we get more details on the

00:52:30.860 horrors that led Israel to engage in this retaliatory strike to begin with. We talked about this a little

00:52:36.840 bit yesterday, but there was a very just jarring article in The Atlantic by Graham Wood about what

00:52:42.820 was shown to those reporters, that 43 minutes of raw footage that the Israeli defense forces felt the

00:52:49.940 need to show reporters because there's been so much, quote, Holocaust denialism. There's been so much

00:52:56.820 denialism or downplaying of what happened to these 1,500 Israelis who were killed, captured,

00:53:02.920 maimed, tortured, 1,500 dead, nevermind the number who were tortured and maimed and hurt.

00:53:08.980 And we're not even accounting for the emotional trauma of what these young children in particular

00:53:13.740 had to witness, nevermind their moms and dads. Here's in part what he writes. And you should keep

00:53:20.020 in mind, I talked about this with Dershowitz. He's actually going to be here in a minute.

00:53:24.260 He told me years ago about how Hamas uses civilians as human shields and how Israel, and then because

00:53:30.660 they want the footage, they want the footage of the civilians, you know, and the children dead or

00:53:35.100 hurt on TV. The Israelis do exactly the opposite. They almost never release photos of their dead 0.69

00:53:40.560 because they have a respect for the dead that prevents it. So it is extremely rare for them to

00:53:46.300 be releasing any of these photos or videos that were taken by the terrorists and that they got their

00:53:52.280 hands on. So this is what Woodwright writes in part. Men, women, and children are shot, blown up,

00:54:01.140 hunted, tortured, burned, and generally murdered in any horrible manner you could predict and some that

00:54:06.840 you might not. The terrorists surround a Thai man they have shot in the gut, then bicker about what to

00:54:12.540 do next. About 30,000 Thais live in Israel, many of them farm workers. Give me a knife, one Hamas 1.00

00:54:18.340 terrorist shouts. Instead, he finds a garden hoe and he swings at the man's throat, taking thwack 0.99

00:54:24.160 after thwack. The audience gasped. I heard someone heave a little at another scene, this one showing

00:54:31.440 a father and his young sons surprised in their pajamas. A terrorist throws a grenade into their

00:54:35.980 hiding place and the father is killed. The boys are covered in blood and one appears to have lost an eye.

00:54:41.140 They go into their kitchen and cry for their mother. One of the boys howls, why am I alive? And daddy,

00:54:46.640 daddy. One says, I think we're going to die. The terrorist who killed their father comes in and

00:54:52.300 while they weep, he raids their fridge. Water, water, he says. The spokesman was unable to say

00:54:58.480 whether the children survived. The videos show pure predatory sadism. No effort to spare those who pose

00:55:07.060 no threat and an eagerness to kill nearly unmatched by eagerness, nearly matched by eagerness to disfigure the

00:55:14.340 bodies of the victims. In several clips, the Hamas killers fire shots into the heads of people who

00:55:19.380 are already dead. Some of the clips I had not previously seen simply show the victims in a

00:55:25.240 state of terror as they wait to be murdered or covered with bits of their friends and loved ones

00:55:30.320 as they are loaded into trucks and brought to Gaza as hostages. There was no footage of rape,

00:55:36.840 although there was footage of young women huddling in fear and then being executed in a leisurely manner.

00:55:43.560 I just I don't have any tolerance for AOC Rashida Tlaib. I don't want to hear about collective

00:55:51.980 punishment. I don't want to hear about ceasefire. I don't want to hear about where where's that

00:55:59.160 congressional indifference to inhumanity over there is causing the U.S. support of Israel. Those are all 0.93

00:56:09.100 lies. And it's completely inaccurate framing of what happened here.

00:56:16.100 Well, as you point out, Megan, Israel does a very good job relatively of minimizing civilian deaths.

00:56:24.920 They unlike Hamas, they don't go out and target civilians, though sometimes civilians do die as a

00:56:30.520 many military conflict. This is not to say that Israel has the perfect policy or Israel is above 0.59

00:56:37.160 criticism. I have all sorts of disagreements with Israel on matters of foreign policy. The Nagorno-Karabakh

00:56:42.840 conflict recently would be an example of that. But when we're talking about this particular conflict,

00:56:48.500 I think there is a pretty good rule of thumb, which is not just that AOC is so wrong about this issue or

00:56:56.840 Rashida Tlaib or Ilhan Omar or any of the rest of the radical leftists in the American government.

00:57:02.360 Well, they just don't, they haven't heard the evidence. They haven't heard the stories. They

00:57:05.900 haven't seen the pictures. They're just wrong about this. No, the fact is they're wrong about

00:57:11.380 basically everything. They disagree with normal, well-formed people on questions of first principles,

00:57:19.440 which is why they reliably get every single issue wrong. And so when one looks at any political

00:57:25.900 conflict and up to and including war, if all the people who are wrong about everything are on one

00:57:33.760 side of the conflict, then it's a pretty good bet that you ought to be on the other side of the

00:57:39.460 conflict. You could apply that same rule. And I know you have with our old pal Greta Turnberg.

00:57:47.460 She's decided to weigh in on this. My God, it's almost as bad as Alyssa Milano. Greta Turnberg

00:57:55.060 has decided to come out for the audience as a reminder. She's a Swedish climate activist. She's

00:58:01.920 now 20, the ripe old age of 20, burst onto the scene in 18 when she was 15 years old. And she posted

00:58:08.600 on X, today we strike in solidarity with Palestine and Gaza. The world needs to speak up and call for

00:58:16.660 an immediate ceasefire justice and freedom for Palestinians and all civilians affected. She was

00:58:23.500 apparently holding a light blue stuffed octopus on her shoulder in the original post, which critics

00:58:29.620 interpreted to be this mythical multi-tentacled sea beast that was occasionally used in Nazi

00:58:34.900 iconography. Greta pleads ignorance, saying she she had no idea. But last week she shared on her

00:58:42.300 Instagram a post from this pro-Palestinian account, Palestine Speaks, which was celebrating Hamas's

00:58:50.000 lethal assault on Israel. They thought it was wonderful. I mean, I could keep going. So she's 0.97

00:58:54.580 back, Michael, and she's got similarly inane thoughts to the one the ones that first put her

00:58:59.680 on the national scene.

00:59:01.400 Greta's on strike. Megan, correct me if I'm wrong, but in order to go on strike, don't you first need 0.96

00:59:07.660 to have a job? Isn't that a prerequisite of striking? I sort of thought it was striking.

00:59:13.800 That is the job. The job is to strike. And she's been striking to stop the sun monster from killing 0.99

00:59:20.380 us all for the past 269 weeks, I guess. And now for 270th week, she's going to shake it up

00:59:27.040 and forget about Mother Gaia for a second and protest in support of Hamas. My favorite thing 0.97

00:59:33.720 about the whole post is the one poor little girl in the background. And by little girl, I mean, you

00:59:38.240 know, 20 something year old woman, she's got a poster up that says climate justice now. So while

00:59:43.900 all the rest of them, they're talking about Gaza and Palestine and Israel, she didn't get the memo and

00:59:49.020 she still had the old protest sign. So it was very unfortunate. They should have let her retake the

00:59:54.380 photo. But it can be very confusing because these leftist causes change by the day, sometimes by the

01:00:03.920 hour. But once again, I think another good example, just as with AOC and Justin Trudeau and the rest of

01:00:11.120 them, if St. Greta of the blessed sailboat is on one side of an issue, probably as a rule of thumb,

01:00:18.380 you're going to want to be on the other side. Run, don't walk. But you know what? You shouldn't

01:00:23.940 feel sorry for that girl in the back because this is what they are doing. They're trying to wrap all

01:00:28.640 their causes into one BLM. It's the same thing as stand with Palestine. Climate justice is the same 0.52

01:00:36.280 thing as justice for Palestine. On Twitter yesterday, I retweeted this. We'll put it up on

01:00:42.380 the board. They're marching. Reproductive justice means free Palestine. What abortion? Is that like

01:00:52.800 and honestly, literally these Hamas terrorists were pulling babies out of pregnant mothers' 1.00

01:01:00.960 wombs and these idiots are walking out there with this sign? Well, this actually is the only 1.00

01:01:08.280 comparison that I think actually makes sense because reproductive justice, quote unquote,

01:01:13.960 you know, just killing babies in the womb through abortion has a lot to do with the arguments in favor

01:01:18.180 of Hamas. It's all about killing innocent people and acting outside the ordinary norms of morals. 0.96

01:01:24.980 So that one makes sense to me. I think the abortionists and the Hamas people have a lot in 1.00

01:01:28.640 common. The one that seems to make a little bit less sense is, I don't know if you've seen the viral

01:01:34.920 photos of the queers for Palestine. This is a movement of LGBT, LMNOP activists, and they are strongly

01:01:43.780 supportive of Hamas. And this is another one where it's maybe horseshoe theory. Perhaps I'm coming 0.94

01:01:49.380 around here and trying to come to a nice conciliatory middle ground. I believe that every

01:01:54.940 single LGBT activist in America should get their wish and be sent to Palestine. Not just the ordinary 1.00

01:02:02.680 LGBT LMNOP people have whatever they do in their own homes. I'm talking about the activists with the

01:02:08.180 flags who yell and scream and try to indoctrinate your kids. If they want to go to the Gaza Strip,

01:02:14.640 I support congressional authorization for billions and billions of dollars. First class airfare. I will

01:02:20.860 donate. It's so unbelievable. Yeah, exactly. I love. Did you just tweet that? I don't want to ruin the

01:02:27.340 surprise. You know, fellas, you'll see when you get there. Yeah. Get back to us on how it goes.

01:02:35.580 Um, let's, let's switch and talk about, it was on your show. That's where I heard you say, um, let's talk

01:02:41.800 about politics for one minute, like presidential politics, not AOC and those lunatics. So Trump is 0.98

01:02:47.480 back out there and, uh, he's, he's making news for all sorts of reasons, but I've got to play you this

01:02:53.280 sound because I don't know what he's doing here. And I would love to get the Michael Knowles

01:02:57.040 weigh in on the following bit of wisdom. So 14. Macron, nice guy. You know, look, he's for France.

01:03:05.100 I'm for, I'm for us. I'm for us. You know, you spell us, right? You spell us U S

01:03:14.260 I just picked that up. Has anyone ever thought of that? I just picked that up a couple of days.

01:03:21.700 I'm reading and it said us. And I said, you know, if you think about it, us equals U S is,

01:03:28.620 isn't that now, if we say something genius, they'll never say it.

01:03:31.940 I got to take notes. I got to hold on. Let me get my notepad out here.

01:03:40.700 Megan, did you know over into Kamala Harris territory there? He should,

01:03:44.280 he doesn't need to do that. How about this, Megan? Did you ever consider the fact that

01:03:49.160 we drive on the parkway, but park in the driveway? Did you ever consider that either?

01:03:56.680 How did you ever consider the fact that grape nuts have neither grapes nor nuts?

01:04:00.620 Megan, I need a little bit of a moment to process this. I'll tell you though,

01:04:07.340 the, the, this is a particularly extreme version of, uh, Trump's characteristic rhetoric, but

01:04:14.180 why does it resonate? Why does one, it's kind of entertaining, but, but two, we're living in an

01:04:20.640 age where no settled truth is accepted anymore. We're up and down and black is white and left is

01:04:25.880 right. And so when a man gets on stage and he says, Hey, you ever consider the fact that

01:04:30.620 us is spelled U S how about that? Huh? That is frankly, it's a revelation.

01:04:35.860 You know, I do. I get what Trump is saying and, and I get what the America first crowd

01:04:41.240 wants and, and why they're like, screw everything. And everyone other than us until we get a handle

01:04:47.860 on, you know, inflation on our economy, which the vast majority of people are hate, um, on

01:04:53.480 including Democrats and independents. This is why he's leading Biden. And I think five of the

01:04:57.480 seven critical swing States, uh, because it's because of the economy and he's way ahead of Biden

01:05:02.240 in a couple of these. And it's because of the border, which we discussed earlier, right? Like

01:05:05.820 that's what people are saying. And we keep saying we can do it all. We can do it all. We don't have

01:05:09.040 to choose between Ukraine and America, but we're not choosing. We're choosing them instead of us, 1.00

01:05:13.780 which is, I mean, I think I put it more fully than Trump was getting at in that one clip.

01:05:20.920 Just slightly more eloquent, perhaps. Yeah.

01:05:23.680 That's a bit very, I mean, I'm not particularly eloquent today, but I get the point. Here's the other

01:05:29.240 thing he's getting hammered on. Tell me what you think of this one, because our, our pal Ben Shapiro

01:05:32.940 has been railing on Trump for a long, long time now about if you think the 2012, 2020 election was

01:05:40.580 rigged, what is your plan to unrig it in 2024? Because if it's nothing, then what's the point?

01:05:47.060 It's just going to lead to apathy. People aren't going to go out and vote. You need a, you need a

01:05:50.620 plan. If they stole it, how'd they steal it? What's the remedy? If, if it was, you know,

01:05:55.420 vote ballot harvesting, then what's your plan? Do more ballot harvest, harvesting on the right.

01:05:59.560 What is it? And I asked Trump about this in our interview and he didn't really have a solid

01:06:03.300 answer to be honest with you. He kind of meandered. Um, and so he speaks again to voting on election

01:06:10.060 day. And here's what he said in New Hampshire on Monday. So we have to be careful. You got to get

01:06:16.420 out there and you got to watch those voters. You don't have to vote. Don't worry about voting,

01:06:19.620 the voting. We got plenty of votes. You got to watch election night. You know, it used to be

01:06:24.020 election day, election night. Now it's election month.

01:06:29.660 So don't worry about voting is not the best. It's not the best message for the electorate.

01:06:34.680 One might say, unfortunately phrased, uh, because I, I assume what president Trump meant to say

01:06:41.400 is don't worry about voting. We've got all the votes. All the people are going to come vote for

01:06:45.480 us. You don't need to worry about getting out to vote. You got to watch the ballot box.

01:06:49.160 Now, you know, it might, might be better to phrase it, you know, a little, little more explicitly

01:06:53.080 for people who might otherwise want to sit home. But the point he's making on, on counting the vote

01:06:57.880 is really important. It gets back to some advice that FDR once gave LBJ after LBJ lost a race.

01:07:05.940 FDR said, you forgot to sit on the ballot box. You know, it's one, it's one thing to get out the vote,

01:07:11.720 but, you know, counting and tabulating those votes is what really matters. And LBJ took that to heart

01:07:16.720 when he stole the Texas Senate election in 1948, an election that went all the way up to the Supreme

01:07:22.060 court. And then Supreme court didn't want to hear the case. So they just rejected hearing it.

01:07:26.320 And LBJ was allowed to go to the Senate and then become VP and then become president. We didn't find

01:07:31.300 out with good proof that the election was stolen until decades later, LBJ was already dead at that

01:07:36.300 point. There's some similarities here because the courts often don't want to be the deciders

01:07:39.920 of elections. So they'll say, well, you know, you don't have jurisdiction to bring suit or we don't

01:07:43.900 have jurisdiction to argue. And so anyway, we're, we're out of here. Uh, just run your own

01:07:48.360 elections. Uh, so Trump is right about that. I was disappointed that he didn't have a clearer

01:07:52.900 answer in your interview with him. I felt that was the most important part of the interview.

01:07:57.380 The, the answer cannot be that the right needs to do better at battle, uh, ballot harvesting

01:08:02.060 in part, because our voters live in rural areas and the lib voters live in the cities where the machines

01:08:09.100 are very, very effective. So we can harvest as many ballots as we can try to harvest, but it's just

01:08:14.820 not going to work. They have a major geographic advantage there. The only way that the liberals 0.86

01:08:20.660 could not rig the show quite as much as they did last time this time is if the COVID lockdown voting

01:08:27.880 rules are, are greatly reduced. I mean, that was the way that they changed the voting laws in

01:08:33.400 Pennsylvania in that case against the state constitution and the way they changed the voting

01:08:37.480 rules in terms of widespread mail-ins and ballot drop boxes and all the rest of it all throughout

01:08:42.160 the country. So the GOP needs an answer to that. And, uh, you know, Trump is probably otherwise

01:08:47.580 occupied right now dealing with all these crazy court cases and all the rest of it. But where is

01:08:52.800 the RNC on this? You know, where, where are the other Republican leaders? Because you don't need

01:08:59.460 to believe that, you know, Hugo Chavez was counting ballots in Venezuela on a secret dominion machine

01:09:04.940 to believe that there were lots of problems with the 2020 election. I mean, there were the same

01:09:09.180 problems that Barack Obama predicted even 10 years ago with widespread mail-ins and all the rest of

01:09:13.320 it. But if you're in Republican leadership now, if it's your job to run Republican campaigns and

01:09:18.700 elections, what's the answer? Because I want something to hold on to hope for. I think the people will

01:09:23.920 resonate with our message, but you know, if you, if you don't sit on the ballot box, if you don't count

01:09:29.220 the ballots the right way, then all of that will be for naught. I mean, if you think, if you zoom out and

01:09:34.900 look at the Republican party right now, you got, you know, a house that can't elect a speaker. Um,

01:09:40.000 they're, they're debating about it right now, but nobody right now has enough votes to actually win

01:09:45.040 the big vote. Um, they can't elect a speaker. The RNC isn't changing much to get a free and fair

01:09:53.420 election. And the guy most likely to be the nominee is charged in four different criminal trials,

01:10:00.160 which are BS. I grant you. However, he's going to be extremely distracted over the next year,

01:10:05.400 leading up to November, 2024, dealing with all these criminal trials where he does have to sit

01:10:10.460 in the courtroom and he's going to have to be there. And, um, he's going to have to answer these

01:10:14.820 charges and they're going to be huge distraction for him as he deals with all this nonsense. And

01:10:19.420 most of the dollars that people donate to his campaign are going to have to go to his lawyers.

01:10:24.180 It's extremely expensive to pay for lawyers around the clock for one criminal trial, nevermind

01:10:29.240 four. Right. So, I mean, I know like the polls look pretty good here and there, but it's like,

01:10:34.260 you gotta like, be careful. Don't let yourself get too excited because not much has changed about

01:10:39.580 those COVID, uh, voting procedures that have changed. The RNC seems in disarray. The Republican

01:10:45.240 party seems in disarray. And the guy most likely to win the nomination has got one hell of a year

01:10:49.500 coming his way. Exactly. And that obviously the reason that the Democrats are pushing all of these

01:10:54.580 preposterous lawsuits, uh, and I'm sorry, criminal, uh, prosecutions is precisely for that to divert,

01:11:02.360 not only attention, because I think that there will then be a lot of media attention on the trial.

01:11:07.060 So that might were down to Trump's benefit because they're so obviously unjust, but it's going to suck

01:11:11.020 up a lot of money. As you point out, it's extraordinarily expensive to pay these legal fees. So

01:11:15.420 that that's why they're doing it. And yet we're, we're not hearing any, uh, solution to, to those

01:11:22.520 election rules that largely remain in place. And we're not seeing unity from the Republican party.

01:11:27.880 The Republican party has always had more factions to it than the Democrats did. The Democrats used to

01:11:32.980 be divided between the progressives and the blue dogs, the conservatives, the conservatives don't exist

01:11:37.980 anymore. Joe Manchin is the last one. It's all progressives. It's all leftists. So they have

01:11:42.320 unity. They're united behind Hakeem Jeffries in the Congress for the conservatives, for the

01:11:46.780 Republicans, rather, we've got the conservatives, we've got the chamber of commerce people. We've

01:11:50.700 got the libertarians who are sometimes with the conservatives and sometimes with the libertarian

01:11:54.080 people. We've got the neocons. We've got, you know, I I've, I've heard it said that obscure

01:11:58.660 political monikers are the right wing version of gender pronouns. You know, every individual seems

01:12:02.820 to have his own. And that's a big problem because if, if now we, we can't pick a speaker and we've got

01:12:09.220 to come to some compromise candidate with Democrats, not only is it going to impede our ability to

01:12:14.340 investigate Joe Biden, to impeach Joe Biden, to obstruct the Democrats, terrible policies that

01:12:18.840 are going through the house, but it's also going to be a representation of a broader problem in the

01:12:24.440 election. Is the Republican party going to be able to come together, work together to win that

01:12:28.680 election? It's like that old HL Mencken line. The democracy is the theory that the people know what

01:12:35.240 they want and deserve to get it good and hard. We lament the sorry state of Congress. Well,

01:12:40.700 they are our representatives and they represent legitimate factions and divisions within the

01:12:45.220 Republican party that don't seem to be ready to come together anytime soon. Yeah. It's like, uh,

01:12:51.120 electing the Hatfields and McCoys to co-govern together. Good luck with that. Uh, just the latest

01:12:56.520 update house majority whip, Tom Emmer, Republican from Minnesota. He's won the like internal vote for

01:13:03.300 whose name they should send to the floor, but that does not mean that was after five rounds of secret

01:13:07.280 ballot votes among the conference. That does not mean he has the two 17 needed to become speaker.

01:13:12.440 He was number three when Kevin McCarthy was speaker. He is not liked by the more Trumpy wing of the

01:13:18.540 party. Um, Trump has opposed him, Steve Bannon, whatever he opposes him. Uh, so, you know, it's not

01:13:26.980 going to be a cakewalk for him that it doesn't seem like Mag is just going to jump in line behind him.

01:13:31.080 So around and around and around we go, where are we stopped? Nobody knows. Michael Knowles. Thank

01:13:37.580 you, my friend. Great to see you. Great to be with you, Megan. Thanks for having me.

01:13:41.620 Okay. When we come back, Alan Dershowitz, and here's what I'm going to ask him. You've heard

01:13:45.520 all about the occupation, the occupation, the occupation. What the hell do they mean? What,

01:13:49.920 what is there an occupate? Like what are Alan Dershowitz is going to walk us through this

01:13:55.660 and you will learn the lies that are being told. Okay. In very straight, he's very easy

01:14:02.140 to understand all those years as the favorite professor at Harvard law school have given

01:14:06.740 him a unique ability to communicate clearly. I'm going to ask him about that. I'm also going

01:14:12.380 to ask him about these lawyers who have just flipped on Trump down in the Georgia case, Sidney

01:14:17.100 Powell, another guy, and Jenna Ellis today. Stand by. Way back in episode 104 in May of 2021,

01:14:27.660 we had a great debate on this program about Israel and the longstanding issues with the

01:14:33.520 Palestinians, Hamas, and beyond. I recently re-listened to it. It stands. It withstands the

01:14:39.440 test of time. Our guests in that episode were Alan Dershowitz and Shadi Hamid, and they were

01:14:44.620 great. They were civil. They conceded points. They fought on points, but you really do get a very

01:14:51.580 good overview of how, how things have unfolded there over the past 75 years. Well worth a listen

01:14:57.740 now. And especially after the events of October 7th, Alan Dershowitz joins me now again. And you

01:15:04.120 know, he's got this timing thing. He wrote the case against Trump. Then Trump got indicted four times.

01:15:08.780 Now he's written the upcoming book, War Against the Jews, How to End Hamas Barbarism,

01:15:14.740 which is set to be released in December. Alan, what's the deal? Did you write this

01:15:19.200 from October 8th through now? No, I started on October 7th. I actually violated my religious

01:15:26.880 principles and worked on Saturday and began writing the book, called my publisher on the 8th. He asked

01:15:32.380 me if I could get it in 10 days. And I said, I could, and I dropped everything. And I wrote the

01:15:37.800 book. Yeah. You know, fairly. Of what happened on October 7th and Israel's reaction to it, what's

01:15:45.740 going on on campuses, what's going on all around the world. And I think it's a pretty good summary

01:15:52.040 and analysis of and forecast about where we're going from here. So first of all, let me say that

01:15:59.480 I'm very sorry about everything that's happened in Israel. And I know you've spent so much time

01:16:03.440 over there and over the course of your lifetime, uh, trying to work for peace. And it must've been

01:16:08.480 extremely upsetting to you. I, I don't know if you, if you had anybody killed or, you know, kids,

01:16:13.420 young, young men and women going into the forces, but I'm sure it's been tumultuous.

01:16:17.640 Oh yeah. I know a lot of my relatives are, are in the army and they're on the Gaza border. Um,

01:16:23.700 four of my father's brothers' families all live, uh, in Israel. You know, I've met with every

01:16:29.100 Israeli leader and every Palestinian leader. I, you know, I've had dinner with, with, uh,

01:16:34.560 Mohammed Abbas. I had dinner with, uh, Fayyad. I have lots of Palestinian friends on, on, on all

01:16:41.800 sides of the issue. I don't have any Hamas friends. I have to tell you that I'm, I'm very proud of that. 1.00

01:16:47.120 And one point that I think has to be made very clearly right at the outset, I know you're going

01:16:51.960 to ask me about, um, pro-Palestinian demonstrations on campuses. Let me state categorically,

01:16:57.980 there has never been a pro-Palestinian demonstration on any university campus since

01:17:05.680 October 7th. Not a single pro-Palestinian, um, um, event. Every single event, every single rally

01:17:13.380 has been anti-Palestinian, anti-Israel, pro-Hamas, pro-terrorism. Because if you're pro-Palestinian,

01:17:21.040 you cannot be pro-Hamas. You cannot be in favor of what Hamas did to the people of Palestine,

01:17:28.860 what it continues to do. Every time it attacks Israel, it knows that Palestinian civilians will 1.00

01:17:35.880 die as collateral damage. So there have been no demonstrations that are, are pro-Palestinian.

01:17:42.740 They've all just been anti-Israel. I have seen not a single sign demanding the two-state solution.

01:17:49.460 Nobody wants the two-state solution. They want to see Palestine will be free from the river to the 0.99

01:17:54.960 sea, which means that everything that is now Israel will be Judenrein, to use the Nazi phrase, 0.97

01:18:01.540 rid of Jews. So don't let anybody confuse pro-Palestinian. I'm pro-Palestinian. I'm in 0.84

01:18:07.760 favor of a two-state solution, in favor of Palestine. These people on the street are not pro-Palestinian.

01:18:15.320 And, and just to, for the record, there's a lot of topics I want to get to, but for the record,

01:18:20.560 you pointed out when you were on in 2021 debating this, they've been offered a two-state solution

01:18:26.800 over and over and over. They don't want it. They were offered, they got all of Gaza. They were offered 0.76

01:18:33.660 most of the West Bank. Time and time again, it's been a no. Palestinians don't know how to take yes for 1.00

01:18:40.180 an answer. And they were offered a state 38, 48, 67, 90, 91, 2000, 2001, 2005, 2007, and most recently

01:18:51.920 during the end of the Trump administration. They've always said, no, they don't want two states. They

01:18:59.060 want one state and they want it to be a caliphate. They want it to be an Islamic jihad state. They want 0.96

01:19:05.380 it to be like Iran. They want it to be an enemy of America. And many Israelis, the majority of Israelis 0.99

01:19:12.380 are in favor of some kind of a two-state solution. And many Palestinians, individuals, probably are too,

01:19:21.040 but the, certainly Hamas, it's in their charter. They reject the two-state solution categorically.

01:19:27.660 And the demonstrators, these new neo-Nazis who are on the streets today, some of them are Jewish,

01:19:33.400 some of them are Christian, some of them are Muslim, but they all support Hamas. And if you 0.98

01:19:39.280 support Hamas, it's like the Harvard students in the 1930s and the Yale students who supported Adolf 0.77

01:19:45.140 Hitler, they demonstrated in favor of Adolf Hitler. There were marches down the street of Yorkville,

01:19:51.100 where I live in New York, with 100,000 Americans demonstrating in favor of Hitler. And I put the

01:19:57.760 people who support Hamas, who say it's all Israel's fault, that the women who were raped,

01:20:03.400 it was their fault. The children who were beheaded, it was their fault. I put them in

01:20:07.740 the same category as the Nazi sympathizers in the 1930s.

01:20:14.060 The IDF, the chief of staff on Tuesday, spoke from the southern border saying,

01:20:19.020 I want to be clear, we are ready to invade. They have not yet invaded Gaza. And there was, 0.78

01:20:23.960 I'm sure you saw it over the weekend, an opinion piece by Tom Friedman in the New York Times

01:20:28.060 titled Israel's about to make a terrible mistake. And he went on to say that if they, as Israel

01:20:35.820 rushes, if they rush headlong into Gaza now to destroy Hamas, and if they do so without expressing

01:20:41.920 a clear commitment to seek a two-state solution with the Palestinian Authority and end Jewish 1.00

01:20:46.800 settlements deep in the West Bank, it will be making a grave mistake that could trigger a global

01:20:51.820 conflagration and explode the entire pro-American alliance structure that the U.S. has built in the

01:20:57.040 region since Kissinger and really had, was sounding the alarm saying, the hour is late. I've never

01:21:04.720 written a column this urgent before because I've never been more worried about how this situation

01:21:08.580 could spin out of control in ways that could damage Israel irreparably, damage U.S. interests

01:21:12.820 irreparably, Palestinians and threaten Jews everywhere, not to mention destabilize the whole world. 1.00

01:21:20.060 What do you make of it? Well, Tom Friedman has made mistake after mistake after mistake. 0.57

01:21:25.340 He has his own narrative of what Israel should do. It's been wrong almost all the time.

01:21:32.560 Here, I mean, he has a point. I would like to see Israel delay any ground incursion, largely because

01:21:40.360 it will kill Palestinian civilians and Israeli soldiers. I'd rather see them continue to conduct 1.00

01:21:45.780 their attack on Hamas and Hamas leadership from the air. And I agree with you that it would be open 0.89

01:21:53.660 to a two-state solution. They have been open. Is this the time for it while people are still mourning

01:22:00.020 their children and 220 people of all backgrounds are being held as hostages? You know, Tom Friedman has

01:22:07.160 this inability to understand time. He doesn't understand the room. He doesn't understand the

01:22:12.360 atmosphere out there. His ideas may have some relevance in the future, but certainly don't ask Israel now to 0.85

01:22:21.240 extend an olive branch of peace to its enemies before they have managed to destroy the enemies

01:22:28.480 of civilization. That is, the new ISIS, Hamas. Once that's done, then let's listen to Tom Friedman and

01:22:35.940 other voices, and let's see if we can move to a two-state solution, as Israel tried to do for so many,

01:22:42.380 so many years. But Tom Friedman, please stop lecturing Israel on the two-state solution. Start lecturing the

01:22:49.580 Palestinians. You are close to them. They listen to you. Lecture them on the two-state solution.

01:22:56.080 Okay. Can you explain, Alan, because you hear these leftists on the campus, on cable news, in the halls of

01:23:01.900 Congress, from the squad, talking about how it's the occupation. The occupation has to end. The occupation,

01:23:08.580 genocidal, apartheid state. Can you just take that on in a way that, like, people who are not as steeped in Israel

01:23:15.460 as you are can understand? First of all, almost all these people mean by occupation. The occupation

01:23:22.280 of Tel Aviv, the occupation of Haifa, the occupation of Jerusalem. The people who were killed in the

01:23:29.700 horrible brutality were not on the West Bank. They were not in the Gaza. They were people,

01:23:35.400 peaceniks, who lived in the Kibbutzim. So although I've been opposed to civilian settlements for a long 0.98

01:23:41.180 time, that is not the core of the problem. The core of the problem is not what Israel does. It's what 0.77

01:23:46.760 Israel is, the nation-state of the Jewish people. And these folks, they don't care about the

01:23:53.000 occupation. In fact, they thrive on the occupation. Define the occupation. Define the occupation.

01:23:59.420 In 1967, all the Arab armies essentially declared war on Israel and threatened the genocidal

01:24:06.300 elimination of Israel. Israel then, of course, attacked Egypt and Syria. Jordan then attacked

01:24:13.900 Israel. Israel won the war. Jordan attacked Israel, and Israel captured the West Bank. Israel is 0.90

01:24:20.900 immediately offered to return the West Bank in exchange for peace. Rejected. The Arab countries 1.00

01:24:26.600 all went to Khartoum and issued their three famous no's, no peace, no negotiation, and no recognition

01:24:32.040 of Israel. So it's not the occupation. Israel has offered to end the occupation for peace.

01:24:38.100 Ehud Omer offered 97 percent of the West Bank to be returned. The only things not to be returned

01:24:44.080 were areas necessary for Israel's strategic protection. And the Palestinians rejected that

01:24:50.440 offer. So don't talk to me about the occupation. Talk to the Palestinians. They could have ended the 1.00

01:24:56.580 occupation over and over and over again. Sorry to be dumb about this. Forgive me. 0.98

01:25:01.520 But is it the fact that there are Israeli settlements within the West Bank? Like what in what way

01:25:08.000 are they occupying Palestine? I know about the blockade, of course, in Gaza.

01:25:14.120 Well, remember the blockade in Gaza didn't start when Israel. I know that we've been talking about

01:25:19.660 that, but stick with the occupation as a larger concept. That Gaza is occupied and the West Bank.

01:25:26.600 And yes, there is a military occupation of the West Bank, just like we, the United States, occupied

01:25:33.380 Germany and Japan until they fully surrendered and gave up all of their arms. And of course,

01:25:39.020 the Palestinians haven't surrendered. So a military occupation is perfectly acceptable under international 1.00

01:25:44.340 law. It's the settlements. And there are different settlements. One of the first settlements was an area

01:25:49.600 that was supposed to be part of Israel in the 1948 UN resolution. And the Arabs overran it and killed,

01:25:55.700 I think, 43 people who had already surrendered with their hands up. And once 67 war occurred,

01:26:01.400 the families of the people who were killed went and said, we need that land back. It's part of Israel.

01:26:06.380 That was the beginning of the so-called occupation. Then it's been expanded. And I've been opposed to the

01:26:10.920 expansion. I had a front page signed statement with a number of us opposing the first religious 0.72

01:26:18.140 settlement called Anmora on the West Bank. You can argue about all that. But Israel was prepared to 0.95

01:26:25.000 give all that up in exchange for peace. So the occupation is not at the center. It's an excuse.

01:26:31.520 It gives them a justification. It allows them to use the terrible term apartheid, which has nothing.

01:26:37.520 I defended Nelson Mandela. I was one of his lawyers. I understand what apartheid means. 0.85

01:26:44.660 These are phrases that are turned around. And the world, you care about the Palestinians?

01:26:49.580 Why don't you care about the Kurds? Why don't you care about the Uyghurs? The only reason they care 1.00

01:26:54.760 about the Palestinians is that the people that allegedly oppress them are Jews. This is core, 1.00

01:27:01.420 basic, old-fashioned anti-Semitism turned into anti-Zionism. If you care

01:27:07.440 about the Palestinians, why don't you care about the Kurds? There are more of them.

01:27:12.080 They were promised more. They use nonviolence for the most part. But they are oppressed by the

01:27:17.820 Syrians, the Iraqis, and the Turks. And no one gives a damn about the Kurds. They only care about 1.00

01:27:24.040 the Palestinians because the Palestinians are allegedly occupied and oppressed by the nation-state of the

01:27:30.560 Jewish people. It's bigotry, pure and simple. Mm-hmm. We've heard some outrageous things in

01:27:35.720 the media over the past few days, including this guy, Mehdi Hassan, over at NBC. I mean, honestly,

01:27:40.120 like what the stuff he says, it could be coming straight out of Gaza. And his comparison most

01:27:46.000 recently was that Israel is very much like Russia. Take a listen to this soundbite. Five. 0.64

01:27:51.960 The standard. And it's interesting that he did a whole thing about Hamas and Russia and linking

01:27:58.140 them together. It was a slightly axis of evilly, putting them together, because they've really got

01:28:03.040 very little in common just when you look at them. Because a lot in the rest of the world would say,

01:28:06.440 OK, if you're going to compare Ukraine and Israel, Biden and a lot of people in America may see

01:28:10.760 Ukraine and Israel as the same. A lot of people around the world see Russia and Israel the same.

01:28:15.280 They see Russia occupying and invading another country and annexing land and dropping bombs on

01:28:20.480 civilians and saying, hey, human shields. And they see Israel doing that in Gaza. Israel is the 0.75

01:28:25.020 occupier of the West Bank in Gaza. So that kind of stuff. I know we don't talk about it here in the

01:28:29.280 U.S. Thoughts on that? I don't. Ukrainians kidnapping Russians, beheading them. I don't remember any

01:28:38.440 Ukrainians sending rockets into the middle of Moscow. No, Israel has the perfect right to defend 1.00

01:28:46.480 itself and to maintain military forces. Look, I think Israel made a terrible mistake in 2005. I

01:28:53.640 supported it then. I was wrong. By ending the military occupation of Gaza, it should have maintained 0.99

01:28:58.960 a military occupation of Gaza. That would not have permitted these slaughters and other slaughters

01:29:04.020 to have occurred. They should have ended the civilian settlements in Gaza, but not the military 0.88

01:29:09.240 occupation. You don't end the military occupation until you have peace. That's why, tragically,

01:29:15.100 Israel may have to reoccupy at least some areas of the Gaza. I hope they don't. I hope they can just 0.99

01:29:20.940 get rid of Hamas and end the threat. But if they don't, no country would ever allow its neighbors to 0.99

01:29:28.320 be sending murderers to behead their children or sending rockets into kindergartens. No democracy.

01:29:34.600 Alan pointed out on our on our show the last time when Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip and gave it 0.97

01:29:42.980 entirely to the Palestinians in 2005, they unburied their dead. I mean, it was I talk about a full and 0.93

01:29:51.580 complete pullout. It was a complete pullout. And then they elected a bunch of terrorists to run Gaza. 0.88

01:29:57.660 And here we are. They started unleashing rockets within a couple of years and it never was peaceful,

01:30:03.080 really often intermittent. And you said the last time you came on that twenty twenty one show,

01:30:06.920 you said every five years they find an excuse to launch another group of rockets and then Israel's 0.63

01:30:12.500 forced to respond. And immediately Israel gets condemned. And it's all part of Hamas's plan. 0.96

01:30:17.020 They want Israel to respond so they can be demonized in the press because Hamas is very good at propaganda. 0.50

01:30:22.880 They call it the CNN strategy. I'm crueler. I call it the dead baby strategy.

01:30:28.160 What they do is they deliberately attack. They know there'll be a counterattack. They know there'll

01:30:33.520 be some collateral damage where they know there'll be some children killed because they use them as

01:30:38.580 human shields. They're ready to take them out and show them to CNN. And CNN is ready to display them

01:30:44.280 without real explanation. And I predicted I predicted in 2002, I predicted in 2013 in books that I wrote,

01:30:53.040 this cycle will continue because it works. Terrorism works when you attack a country and kill its people

01:31:01.020 like Hamas does Israel. And Israel responds. And then there are human shields and then it turns into 0.84

01:31:07.840 dead children. It's going to get world condemnation of the victim, Israel, and world support for the 0.95

01:31:16.540 for the perpetrators, Hamas. And that's what's happened on university campuses. And so 0.77

01:31:21.180 if this continues, you can be sure it will happen again and again and again. There is an easy

01:31:27.680 prescription for making sure it happens again and again. Just show the dead babies on television,

01:31:33.100 blame it on Israel. Don't give context, don't give explanation. And you just encourage them, 1.00

01:31:39.120 encourage Iran to encourage Hezbollah and Hamas to do it again and again and again. And remember too, 0.96

01:31:45.500 every enemy of Israel basically is an enemy of America. These attacks were on America as well

01:31:52.020 as on Israel. The victims were mostly Israelis. There were Americans who were victims. But Hamas, 0.91

01:31:58.180 Iran, Hezbollah hate America with a passion. And one of the reasons they hate Israel is it's the 0.99

01:32:04.840 small devil. The big devil is the United States of America. 0.73

01:32:09.500 Episode 104 to hear a more expansive discussion of this, including Alan talking about the lie that,

01:32:15.500 Palestinian, that the Palestine is completely compact and that more people live in every

01:32:20.940 square inch of Palestine than any place else in the world. It's not true. They could be launching 0.99

01:32:24.760 their rockets from unpopulated areas. There's plenty of open space. Alan's been there. They

01:32:30.080 choose to do it from where the children are, from where the hospitals are, because they're counting on

01:32:34.700 Israel's not hitting back at those particular locations. Alan is a true expert. I got to get in my

01:32:40.760 one question on what's happening in Trump land, if you don't mind, before you go.

01:32:44.740 And that is, we've had, we've seen Sidney Powell, one of the other lawyers who represented Trump,

01:32:50.400 and now Jenna Ellis, who's more junior on the team, all cop pleas in the Atlanta, in the,

01:32:55.400 in the Georgia case against him, the Rico case to conspiracy, to state false facts, things,

01:33:00.680 lower level felonies, and all are getting probation. If you turn on MSNBC, they say this is absolutely

01:33:06.620 devastating for Trump, because they're all going to work now with prosecutors against Trump.

01:33:10.480 How do you see these pleas?

01:33:12.940 You know, 40 years ago, I invited Rudy Giuliani, who was then U.S. attorney, to my class on legal

01:33:17.700 ethics and tactics at Harvard. And he described this to a T, called it the domino theory. You

01:33:22.620 indict a bunch of people, and then they begin to fall away. You make deals with them, and they

01:33:27.140 testify against the big guy. But we know, and smart juries know, that not only are bought witnesses,

01:33:34.860 people who are paid basically by getting a decent sentence, not only are they willing to sing,

01:33:39.960 they're often willing to compose, to make up stories, to satisfy the prosecution, because

01:33:45.800 otherwise, the prosecution wouldn't make a deal with them. So I think that it's definitely a bad day

01:33:51.880 for Trump and Giuliani when these people flip. But their lawyers should, and will, I'm sure,

01:33:59.860 cross-examine them about why they suddenly found religion, suddenly admitted that they were wrong.

01:34:06.180 They did it because they had an incentive. And incentives sometimes cause people to tell the

01:34:11.280 truth, but sometimes cause them to exaggerate and even tell lies. So there will be convictions

01:34:18.320 of Donald Trump. I have no doubt about that. The goal of the Get Trump movement has been get down

01:34:23.240 in dirty convictions in places where the jury pool is heavily against Trump. And then there'll be some

01:34:29.260 reversals on appeal, but that will happen after the election. So it is, uh, to, um, to, uh, affect

01:34:36.540 the election. It hasn't hurt Trump in the primaries. It hasn't hurt him among Republicans, but it may hurt

01:34:42.280 him in the general election. Remember, I'm not. What do you think the odds are, Alan, that he'll go to,

01:34:47.200 if he's the nominee, November, 2024, having been convicted of a crime?

01:34:53.580 Oh, I think he'll be the nominee having been convicted of a crime and he won't be in prison

01:34:59.080 like, uh, uh, some previous candidates, uh, uh, have been in prison, uh, Eugene V. Debs,

01:35:06.200 and I think the mayor of Boston, but he will be a convicted felon when he runs for office. And that

01:35:11.720 will have an impact perhaps on independence and some, uh, Democrats who might otherwise vote for

01:35:18.740 Trump. So, um, these, these have had an impact. And I've said right from the beginning, if you're

01:35:25.060 going after the man who's running for president against the incumbent, you better have the strongest

01:35:28.520 possible case. These are not strong cases. They may win. Okay. I got to leave it at that. Alan

01:35:34.940 Dershowitz, always a pleasure. Thank you so much for all of your great Israel coverage and Trump as well.

01:35:41.720 Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No BS, no agenda, and no fear.

The Megyn Kelly Show - October 24, 2023

Every Leftist Social Justice Talking Point Under One Umbrella, and Campus Snowflakes, with Michael Knowles and Alan Dershowitz ｜ Ep. 654

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