The Megyn Kelly Show - Ex-Prince Andrew ARRESTED, Anti-American Olympians, and Nancy Guthrie ＂Today＂ Segment, with Dan Wootton, Zack Peter, and More ｜ Ep. 1256

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00:01:00.820 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:02.700 Live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.540 Hey, everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.240 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.680 It's day 19 of the search for Nancy Guthrie.

00:01:18.560 And investigators have revealed that they found biological evidence at Nancy's home

00:01:23.780 that's currently undergoing DNA testing.

00:01:25.960 Is that something new in addition to the other DNA they said they found?

00:01:30.580 Plus, they say they're giving polygraphs.

00:01:32.880 We'll update you.

00:01:34.120 But first, an absolute bombshell out of the United Kingdom.

00:01:37.780 We said yesterday that the fallout from the Epstein files was just beginning

00:01:41.000 and that we would get to the Prince Andrew allegations because it was just like separately

00:01:45.700 because it was just too big for yesterday.

00:01:47.680 And boy, did that turn out to be true.

00:01:49.920 This morning, Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor, formerly known as Prince Andrew,

00:01:54.540 was arrested on suspicion of misconduct in public office.

00:01:58.360 Emails from the January 30th U.S. DOJ release of the Epstein files strongly indicate that Andrew

00:02:05.820 shared confidential documents with Epstein while Andrew was working as a British trade envoy.

00:02:12.560 This is not, at least for now, about the women.

00:02:15.380 It's about misconduct in office when it comes to what should have been confidential info.

00:02:20.320 For example, a November 30th, 2010 email, which is after Jeffrey Epstein's 2008 sex crimes conviction,

00:02:28.880 shows Andrew forwarded official reports about his trips to Vietnam, Singapore, Hong Kong, and China to Epstein.

00:02:36.200 He doesn't say anything in the email.

00:02:37.880 He just forwards on the documents.

00:02:40.300 A few weeks later, on Christmas Eve 2010, Andrew emailed Epstein directly about a, quote,

00:02:45.980 confidential briefing, end quote, on investment opportunities in Helmand Province, Afghanistan,

00:02:52.260 which at the time was being run by the British military.

00:02:56.800 The BBC reports there's also an email in February of 2011 from Andrew to Epstein about an investment opportunity in a private company.

00:03:06.440 The U.K. government says trade envoys carry a, quote, duty of confidentiality.

00:03:10.900 So Andrew could be in some serious trouble here if he violated that duty of confidentiality

00:03:17.400 by sharing British secrets with an American entrepreneur, especially one as controversial as Jeffrey Epstein.

00:03:24.200 To make matters worse for him, misconduct in public office like this is apparently one of the most serious offenses in British law.

00:03:31.720 If one is convicted, the potential sentence could be up to life in prison.

00:03:35.960 There is zero chance Andrew is going to prison for life.

00:03:38.440 If this is, that's BS, but okay, fine.

00:03:40.680 It does technically carry that possible sentence.

00:03:43.420 King Charles III, meantime, releasing a statement indicating that he supports the authorities.

00:03:50.040 Listen to this, quote, I have learned with the deepest concern the news about Andrew Mountbatten, Windsor,

00:03:56.240 and suspicion of misconduct in public office.

00:03:58.600 What now follows is the full, fair, and proper process by which this issue is investigated in the appropriate manner

00:04:04.700 and by the appropriate authorities.

00:04:06.360 In this, as I have said before, they have our full and wholehearted support and cooperation.

00:04:12.340 Let me state clearly, the law must take its course.

00:04:15.600 As this process continues, it would not be right for me to comment further on this matter.

00:04:19.860 Meanwhile, my family and I will continue in our duty and service to you all.

00:04:24.040 This morning, several prominent British pundits saying this is no less than an existential crisis for the royal family

00:04:35.880 and, and we'll explain why, for the British government, which many are now predicting will collapse and be replaced within weeks.

00:04:45.460 There is so much more to this story for that.

00:04:47.800 We're going to bring in one of our favorites from the other side of the pond, and that's Dan Wooden.

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00:05:57.120 Dan, great to have you.

00:05:58.780 My goodness, you're the perfect person to talk to about this because there's no better royal correspondent than you.

00:06:05.200 And you've been saying for a long time how unpopular Prince Andrew is within the family and within the British populace.

00:06:12.520 So put this news in perspective for us.

00:06:14.880 Megan, this is historic.

00:06:15.820 There has not been a crisis like this in 90 years.

00:06:21.000 What happened 90 years ago, the Nazi sympathizing king, Edward VIII, abdicated.

00:06:28.960 Now, there are a whole load of scenarios here that could see King Charles having to abdicate as a result of what has happened today.

00:06:38.900 Remember, in the United Kingdom, he runs the court.

00:06:44.100 This is the king's court.

00:06:46.420 And so the idea that his brother Andrew will be on trial, potentially, I accept he hasn't been charged yet, but we're heading that way and we can get to that.

00:06:54.920 There are now nine police investigations, Megan, underway, into Andrew's links into Epstein.

00:07:01.380 That involves sex trafficking.

00:07:03.260 The former Prime Minister, Gordon Brown, has today submitted a five-page memorandum to the Metropolitan Surrey, Sussex, Thames Valley police departments about the Lolita Express and the way that it was used to potentially sex traffic women to royal palaces.

00:07:19.700 And I just want to paint you the scenario that Andrew ends up in the king's court, in his brother's court.

00:07:27.140 Remember, there's only one person in the United Kingdom who can't be charged with a crime.

00:07:30.840 That is the king.

00:07:32.300 And he says, well, my brother knew about this and my brother paid £1.5 million in hush money to Virginia Dufresne, which is what was reported last week by the Sun newspaper, my former newspaper.

00:07:46.980 It feels untenable that Charles can stay on the throne.

00:07:52.460 You might remember there was a case, Megan, about 20 years ago when Paul Burrell, Diana's former butler, was charged with stealing Diana's possessions.

00:08:02.240 And he immediately brought the queen, the late Queen Elizabeth II, into his trial and said the queen knew about this.

00:08:11.840 Well, the trial collapsed overnight because you cannot have a situation where the head of the court is effectively on trial.

00:08:19.320 So there are a whole load of machinations going on.

00:08:22.980 And the one person and the one couple whose hands are completely clean in this scandal, Megan, are Prince William and Catherine, the Princess of Wales.

00:08:32.620 I mean, I ran a poll earlier today during my live broadcast of Outspoken.

00:08:38.140 And I'd say I've got a really pro-monarchy, pro-royal audience, Megan.

00:08:42.200 We love the British royal family, 75% of my audience saying that King Charles must abdicate here, must hand the throne to William and Catherine.

00:08:50.620 Now, his statement that you read out made it clear he has no intention of doing that.

00:08:56.960 But there are lots of paths that I believe could see that end up having to happen.

00:09:02.460 So in the path, are you saying that if Andrew calls Charles or needs Charles as a witness, like I told my brother the following and he blessed this payment or he blessed that thing, even though he was just Prince Charles at the time, he wasn't yet king, that that could drag him right into this legal proceeding and either kill the legal proceeding or kill Charles' reign as king?

00:09:28.980 Correct. Because no one really believes, Megan, that Andrew is going to plead guilty.

00:09:35.080 Why would he do that? I mean, he would get guaranteed jail time. I agree with you. It's not going to be life imprisonment.

00:09:41.820 That is the maximum sentence for misconduct in public office. But I know the type of guy that Andrew is.

00:09:48.340 He is not going to plead guilty here. I cannot see a scenario.

00:09:51.860 And what we don't have in the United Kingdom is the same type of deals that you can do in the US justice system where you make a plea deal.

00:09:59.380 That just doesn't really happen here. So there's no real motivation for Andrew to plead guilty unless he did want to keep his brother on the throne.

00:10:09.660 So there are serious questions for King Charles. And there are also serious questions for the British deep state, Megan.

00:10:14.640 I mean, this scandal has been hiding in plain sight for 15 years.

00:10:20.380 I was working at Murdoch's former newspaper, the News of the World, in a senior position in 2011.

00:10:26.560 We revealed those pictures. Do you remember? Of Epstein and Andrew in Central Park in New York.

00:10:33.440 That started this whole scandal 15 years ago.

00:10:36.160 Where Andrew went to visit Epstein after the conviction for soliciting a minor for prostitution.

00:10:41.500 Pretty controversial charge that he pleaded guilty to.

00:10:45.660 And it was, of course, we now know just the tip of the Epstein iceberg. 0.86

00:10:49.020 And Andrew went to see him and stayed with him, right?

00:10:52.260 At his New York townhouse.

00:10:53.160 With Royal Protection Officers.

00:10:56.360 Do you see what I mean?

00:10:57.220 This is where the deep state is pulled into this.

00:11:00.460 Because why have the police spent 15 years choosing not to investigate Andrew?

00:11:06.980 Because they probably knew.

00:11:09.340 What did Charles know?

00:11:10.800 What files are included at Buckingham Palace?

00:11:14.760 We're literally in unprecedented territory, Megan.

00:11:17.660 And just to give you a bit of colour about what's happening today, because we really never thought we'd see anything like this.

00:11:23.620 There are currently two teams of police on the King's estate searching the King's property.

00:11:30.960 So we've got Wood Farm in Sandringham, which is where Charles forced Andrew to move.

00:11:38.340 But that used to be the home until his death of Prince Philip, you know, the late Queen's husband.

00:11:44.060 So there are police currently searching that property.

00:11:46.920 But there are also currently police searching Royal Lodge, Andrew's former home in Windsor.

00:11:55.300 And that's on the Windsor estate, just a couple of miles from where William and Catherine live.

00:11:59.800 So this really is totally unprecedented.

00:12:05.120 And look, the one person, as I say, who has his hands cleaned with you.

00:12:07.200 What kind of relationship do Andrew and Charles have?

00:12:10.260 How do these brothers get along?

00:12:11.680 Well, not great. 0.98

00:12:13.260 Andrew has always been a bit of a buffoon.

00:12:16.420 But the problem for Charles, Meghan, is that it was him who decided to bring Andrew back into the royal fold.

00:12:25.240 So you'll remember the relationship between the late Queen and Andrew was really close, right?

00:12:30.280 She viewed him as his...

00:12:32.060 She loved him.

00:12:32.360 Yep, she adored him.

00:12:33.260 She never believed these allegations.

00:12:34.620 I spoke to people very close to the late Queen who insisted to me,

00:12:38.860 the late Queen always believed that Andrew was innocent.

00:12:42.960 However, the big problem for Charles is that the Queen, despite feeling that way,

00:12:48.880 had completely banished Andrew from public life.

00:12:51.800 She had stripped him of his titles, stripped him of his royal duties.

00:12:56.200 But it was the King who made this unfathomable decision to bring him back into the fold,

00:13:01.260 to allow him to attend Christmas at Sandridom.

00:13:03.800 You know, that is the number one photo opportunity of the year.

00:13:06.580 He even was allowed to bring his ex-wife, Fergie.

00:13:09.100 There were memorial services where Fergie and Andrew were the most senior members of the royal family to attend

00:13:16.540 because Charles, he's quite a woke guy and he believed in this concept of forgiveness.

00:13:21.980 Whereas you've got William, who has been saying, Meghan,

00:13:25.020 and I'm not doing William's PR here, this is honestly a fact,

00:13:28.280 he has been saying for seven years after that Car Crash Newsnight interview with the BBC,

00:13:34.180 where Andrew made a fool of himself and, by the way, told a tissue of lies.

00:13:39.020 I mean, almost as many lies as Harry and Meghan told to Oprah Winfrey, right? 0.98

00:13:42.700 Like, we know that now.

00:13:44.180 And Andrew seven years ago, sorry, William seven years ago said,

00:13:48.140 Andrew's got to go.

00:13:49.280 He's got to go.

00:13:49.880 He's got to be banished, just like Harry and Meghan have to be banished.

00:13:53.920 So for seven years, Charles made a big mistake.

00:13:57.640 And I also do just want to defend Queen Elizabeth II here because a lot of people in Charles's court at Buckingham Palace

00:14:04.680 are now trying to throw the late Queen under the bus. 1.00

00:14:07.760 Meghan, she was 94 years old and she was suffering from terminal blood and bone cancer,

00:14:15.420 something that we chose not to report at the time.

00:14:18.780 She effectively had handed on the monarchy to Charles, who was operating as a regent.

00:14:25.720 So when this payment of 12 million pounds was made to the late Virginia Giuffre,

00:14:32.440 it was Charles who had to make that decision.

00:14:36.160 It was Charles who had to sign it off.

00:14:38.980 And I think it's really grim blaming a 94-year-old with terminal cancer for that decision.

00:14:46.880 I mean, it doesn't seem surprising when you know, I don't know Charles's story as well,

00:14:52.480 but Andrew just sounds like he would do something like that in a heartbeat.

00:14:55.820 He would blame the late Queen, he'll blame Charles, he'll blame anybody and his wife ten times so.

00:15:00.640 I mean, there's a lot of correspondence in the Epstein files between Fergie and Epstein, whom she loved.

00:15:06.040 And she brought her daughters, the two princesses, to go stay with him right after, same thing,

00:15:12.380 right after he got out of his so-called jail.

00:15:16.200 I mean, it was daytime release to his office, but technically he was in jail for a year.

00:15:22.080 She seemed very close to him.

00:15:23.540 Neither one of those two cared at all that he'd be pleaded guilty to these disgusting charges.

00:15:28.420 And just so the audience is clear, again, right now he's been arrested for alleged disclosure of British secrets to Jeffrey Epstein,

00:15:36.680 who was not permitted to have them.

00:15:38.440 Not the women thing, but all along we've been looking at Andrew and whether he sex-trafficked Virginia Giuffre,

00:15:44.360 meaning Epstein had her, quote, working for him.

00:15:47.500 She says she was trafficked by Epstein.

00:15:49.540 She was under age 17, and she says one of the men she was trafficked to was Prince Andrew,

00:15:53.920 who she says had sex with her and that it wasn't consensual on her part when she was a minor.

00:15:59.180 And then to produce this picture of herself with Andrew and Ghislaine Maxwell in the background,

00:16:05.180 which Prince Andrew would later say was fake and actually gave this interview to BBC Newsnight denying that he even knew her.

00:16:14.440 But now we see correspondence in the Epstein files between Epstein and a New York Times reporter

00:16:20.100 in which the Times reporter is saying they had consensual sex.

00:16:24.780 This shouldn't reflect on you, Jeffrey.

00:16:26.820 This is kind of an Andrew problem, and Jeffrey doesn't say they didn't have sex.

00:16:31.860 That was all made up.

00:16:32.740 He says nothing.

00:16:33.860 It seems to support the notion that indeed there was an interlude.

00:16:37.800 There's also a picture of Andrew over a young girl.

00:16:40.640 Well, she appears young.

00:16:41.820 Her face is like blacked out, censored, who's scantily clad on the floor in what looks to be like a sexual, playful position. 1.00

00:16:50.180 And there's lots of correspondence between the two of them about hookups for Andrew that Jeffrey was going to provide.

00:16:55.980 I mean, this is just just as a reminder.

00:16:58.900 Here is what Andrew told BBC Newsnight in Sot 2 back in 2019.

00:17:05.900 July of this year, Epstein was arrested on charges of sex trafficking and abusing dozens of underage girls.

00:17:12.960 One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts, has made allegations against you.

00:17:19.320 She says she met you in 2001.

00:17:21.820 She says she dined with you, danced with you at Tramp Nightclub in London.

00:17:26.720 She went on to have sex with you in a house in Belgravia belonging to Gerlaine Maxwell, your friend. 0.78

00:17:33.660 Your response?

00:17:35.020 I have no recollection of ever meeting this lady.

00:17:38.840 None whatsoever.

00:17:39.820 You don't remember meeting her?

00:17:42.260 No.

00:17:43.060 She says she met you in 2001.

00:17:46.300 She dined with you.

00:17:48.140 She danced with you.

00:17:49.800 You bought her drinks.

00:17:51.900 You were in Tramp Nightclub in London. 0.79

00:17:54.460 And she went on to have sex with you in a house in Belgravia belonging to Gerlaine Maxwell.

00:18:01.620 Didn't happen.

00:18:03.240 Do you remember her?

00:18:04.680 I have no recollection of ever meeting her.

00:18:10.840 I'm almost, in fact, I'm convinced that I was never in Tramps with her.

00:18:17.200 There are a number of things that are wrong with that story.

00:18:20.060 One of which is that I don't know where the bar is in Tramps. 0.99

00:18:25.640 Um, uh, I don't drink.

00:18:29.500 Um, I don't think I've ever bought a drink in Tramp, uh, whenever I was there. 0.94

00:18:37.040 It was just the most pathetic denial, Dan. 0.61

00:18:39.300 I don't, I'm convinced I was never there. 0.97

00:18:41.840 I don't think, I mean, that's not what a truth teller sounds like.

00:18:45.120 If I said to you, did you ever have sex with Virginia Giuffre, formerly Roberts, in this bar and buy her drinks beforehand, you'd say, no, it never happened.

00:18:53.780 A hundred percent.

00:18:55.200 And the problem is, Megan, for Andrew, is that we now know that these were lies because we've seen all the back and forth between him and his team and Ghislaine and Epstein, where they even admit that the photo was legitimate.

00:19:10.060 Whereas you say they admit that there was consensual sex.

00:19:13.400 And even more grim was the fact, because remember, Andrew told Newsnight that he had actually cut contact with Epstein after that meeting in Central Park.

00:19:22.960 He was still sending Epstein emails, including pictures of his daughters at the time, sort of in their late teens and early 20s, to a paedophile.

00:19:34.880 You had Fergie, who apparently was in love with Epstein and may have even had sex with Epstein, talking about the fact that Eugenie, her youngest daughter, was off on a shagging weekend.

00:19:45.860 And the problem that Charles also has is that he allowed Beatrice and Eugenie to keep their princesses' titles.

00:19:53.980 They are still Princess Beatrice, Princess Eugenie.

00:19:57.400 And there is new reporting today, Megan, that actually they may be questioned under caution by the police, that Fergie may be questioned under caution by the police.

00:20:07.620 And, of course, we're in this position where Andrew also remains in the British line of succession.

00:20:12.980 OK, he's eighth in line to the throne, but is that tenable?

00:20:18.260 Right. That seems crazy that he could be stripped of his royal title, but still eighth in line.

00:20:23.320 Why might the British government go down over this whole thing?

00:20:28.100 Well, because the US ambassador under Donald Trump was a guy called Peter Mandelson, who is also neck deep in the Epstein files for doing exactly the same thing that Andrew is accused of.

00:20:42.980 His home has also been searched by the police.

00:20:47.340 And Keir Starmer, our corrupted prime minister, knew about his close friendship with Epstein, which was, by the way, far more than close.

00:20:56.820 I mean, these two, the emails are so grim. 0.98

00:21:00.140 I mean, Peter Mandelson is gay, right? 1.00

00:21:02.020 But they are constantly swapping emails about sex with girls, sex with guys. 0.99

00:21:08.200 And Starmer hired him as the US ambassador, knowing about this close friendship.

00:21:14.580 He is also under at least police scrutiny.

00:21:18.080 He hasn't been arrested yet, but two of his properties have been searched.

00:21:21.720 So it's all well and good for Starmer to come out like he has today and said, oh, no one can be above the law.

00:21:27.880 And of course, Andrew should testify to the US Congress.

00:21:31.680 But the problem is he has been covering up for his own former US ambassador.

00:21:37.920 His chief of staff, Megan, has already had to go over this.

00:21:41.680 So Starmer, my belief, is he will be out of office as a result of this, too, probably in May after the local elections here in the UK, which are going to be devastating for him.

00:21:53.180 Wow.

00:21:54.040 And back to the Andrew question.

00:21:56.040 Is there any defense, do we know, prospectively, and I know this is all just breaking, that Epstein was an investor.

00:22:02.520 He was seeking his advice on whether these were good investments for the British people.

00:22:07.760 And it was no more than that.

00:22:09.900 Like, why isn't he allowed to share confidential information with somebody he trusted when it comes to finances?

00:22:15.360 Yes.

00:22:15.560 Well, that is the Mandelson defense.

00:22:16.900 So we believe that will be the defense that Andrew takes up, too.

00:22:19.860 No, I was doing what was right for the country.

00:22:22.540 But remember, the prime minister at the time was Gordon Brown, who is actively helping the police with their investigation because he is so furious.

00:22:32.800 So you've got the prime minister of the day saying, no, Mandelson and presumably Andrew were not working with Epstein for the good of the United Kingdom.

00:22:44.020 But, yes, I do believe that will probably be the defense.

00:22:47.000 I don't think it's going to stack up at all.

00:22:49.560 And there could be a question about whether it wasn't good for the British people, but it was good for Epstein.

00:22:55.400 I mean, that's really what I think where the police are going here, that he was doing a solid for his buddy, Epstein, who could have used this information to his advantage or to the advantage of God knows whom.

00:23:05.840 And that this was a nice quid pro quo in exchange for all the girls that Epstein kept funneling to Prince Andrew.

00:23:10.760 A hundred percent, a hundred percent.

00:23:12.440 There seems very little doubt that Epstein wasn't using this to make money for himself.

00:23:19.180 And so that's why we end up in a position where it feels almost impossible to believe that Andrew can try and say that this was in some way trying to help the British public, help the British government.

00:23:31.680 And honestly, Megan, these are perilous times for Andrew, who I think will end up in jail, for King Charles, who I think is going to struggle to stay on the throne, and actually for William himself, who is like thinking, oh, my God, how the hell am I going to save the monarchy from this?

00:23:48.520 Right, right.

00:23:49.900 I mean, the best way is to be himself. 0.98

00:23:51.600 I mean, as you say, he's had a long history of trying to stand up against Andrew's presence, against his loser brother and his grifter wife. 0.52

00:23:59.900 And I feel like the British people would welcome a King William and Queen Kate with open arms at this point, Dan. 0.74

00:24:07.360 It's got to happen.

00:24:08.560 Well, I can't believe it.

00:24:10.300 If it happens, I'm coming over.

00:24:11.640 I'm going to the coronation.

00:24:12.680 I'll stay with you.

00:24:13.540 We'll do that one together.

00:24:16.120 Thank you so much for the update.

00:24:17.880 Great to see you, my friend.

00:24:19.240 So good to be with you.

00:24:20.320 All right, check out Dan Wooden Outspoken.

00:24:22.260 Dan's been on his own independent, and he's crushing it, and you can see why.

00:24:26.080 Wow, unbelievable.

00:24:27.280 Okay, we'll be right back.

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00:26:34.440 Now we're going to turn to some news that we've been wanting to get to for a while, like AOC's meltdown on the world stage.

00:26:39.840 Vice President J.D. Vance has just weighed in on it, and the 2026 Winter Olympics, providing us with some disgustingly unpatriotic displays and divine right order has stepped in.

00:26:51.800 All right, let's get into it.

00:26:52.680 So first, AOC decided to go over to that same Munich conference where J.D. Vance just tore up the place last year in stellar fashion.

00:27:02.060 And then Marco Rubio was excellent this past weekend in his messaging.

00:27:06.380 And AOC actually had the delusion that she could hang with those guys and make an appearance to show them what happens when a progressive comes to town.

00:27:17.720 By now, you've seen the soundbite.

00:27:19.540 I'm going to play it, and then I'm going to show you what J.D. Vance just said in response.

00:27:24.120 Watch her first. 0.94

00:27:24.800 To all of you, and Congressman, I'll start with you, would and should the U.S. actually commit U.S. troops to defend Taiwan if China were to move?

00:27:34.640 You know, I think that this is such a, you know, I think that this is a, this is of course a very longstanding policy of the United States.

00:27:55.660 And I think what we are hoping for is that we want to make sure that we never get to that point.

00:28:02.800 And we want to make sure that we are moving in all of our economic research and our global positions to avoid any such confrontation and for that question to even arise.

00:28:15.120 It was a hot mess.

00:28:16.700 It was a disaster.

00:28:18.720 She humiliated herself and proved that she's not ready for the international stage at all.

00:28:24.600 Um, she would have been better off doing the Gretchen Whitmer, like, ah, gee, as a governor, I don't know anything. 0.99

00:28:31.240 Like, gee, I'm just a U.S. House member.

00:28:33.140 I was a bartender a few years ago.

00:28:34.500 I don't, I'll get to this international stuff when I run for president, which I'm not doing now.

00:28:38.600 She humiliated herself.

00:28:39.980 She, I'm sorry, humiliated womankind, if we're being honest. 1.00

00:28:43.020 She did. 0.56

00:28:43.900 And Whitmer was a nightmare, too.

00:28:46.120 Um, then it turned out that she had been training and preparing for this conference for three months, as reported in Politico.

00:28:53.120 She had an advisor, some top Politico guy who had been advising her for three months, not Politico as in from the magazine, but some political operative.

00:29:03.460 And that's the best she could do.

00:29:05.420 I mean, this is wonderful because, you know, she's like the great Hispanic hope of most of the left over the next few years.

00:29:11.900 They really think this woman has a shot at becoming president because she is kind of cute and does social media well. 1.00

00:29:18.160 Okay.

00:29:18.960 All right.

00:29:19.460 We'll see how that goes.

00:29:20.260 Great.

00:29:20.540 There's also a poll out right now showing that Kamala Harris is polling better than J.D. Vance.

00:29:27.500 Terrific.

00:29:28.160 You should totally go with that and believe in every point.

00:29:33.020 Yes, you're right.

00:29:34.080 She can totally be J.D. Vance. 0.99

00:29:35.820 I agree.

00:29:37.000 Runner.

00:29:37.660 Do the responsible thing.

00:29:39.060 Runner.

00:29:39.920 Go for it.

00:29:40.940 Run Kamala.

00:29:42.540 Run AOC.

00:29:44.340 Run Gretchen Whitmer. 1.00

00:29:46.660 We'll see how that goes.

00:29:48.340 Here is J.D. at President Trump's Board of Peace kickoff meeting this morning.

00:29:53.940 He spoke and had a bunch of world leaders there talking about how Trump has helped them reach peace like Pakistan and India.

00:29:59.820 And J.D. had this to say.

00:30:03.220 President, very much for your leadership, but also for the kind words about me personally.

00:30:07.160 I knew exactly what I wanted to say, but then after the president said that I was so smart and that I didn't want to repeat our congresswoman who froze for 20 seconds over in Munich.

00:30:16.620 Now I'm tempted, sir, just to freeze for 20 seconds and just stare at the cameras and maybe they'll say nice things about me like they do about Congresswoman Cortez.

00:30:25.720 But no, they won't.

00:30:31.500 As we all know, they will never write anything nice about J.D.

00:30:35.160 By the way, I meant to say that the poll was between Kamala and Trump and it's showing Kamala beating Trump.

00:30:40.500 OK, that's imaginary because he's not running again.

00:30:43.060 But in any event, if you consider, you know, J.D. as a sub in for Trump there and that she might be beating J.D.

00:30:48.040 Let's go with that.

00:30:48.820 I love it.

00:30:49.780 Let's go with that, Kamala.

00:30:52.140 You can do it, sister.

00:30:53.560 Here was Trump at the Board of Peace presentation this morning on that same AOC moment, SOT-19.

00:31:01.480 You watch some of the people that were at the event in Munich.

00:31:04.900 They didn't graduate quickly from college.

00:31:07.700 They had everything they could do.

00:31:10.140 There was one young, attractive woman.

00:31:12.720 She was unable to answer questions.

00:31:15.560 And she didn't do so well like J.D. did in college.

00:31:19.160 AOC, she was unable to answer a simple question.

00:31:24.460 And she could have said, well, I'm studying it and I'll report back to you next week.

00:31:28.580 You know, you can get away with that.

00:31:30.160 But she just went, it's actually I think it could be a career ending answer because for 25 years, anybody running against her, I think Susie is going to use that that little piece of stuff.

00:31:44.820 It was not good.

00:31:48.480 It wasn't.

00:31:49.240 And honestly, don't underestimate Trump as an assessor of what's working and what isn't on camera.

00:31:56.420 I mean, he's extremely good at that.

00:31:58.100 He hosted the number one show in America for some 10 years.

00:32:02.000 I mean, it was insane.

00:32:02.940 That's actually how Trump made a lot of his fortune later in life.

00:32:05.860 He's obviously been a successful businessman, but he made boatloads of dough off of The Apprentice.

00:32:10.400 And he's 100 percent right.

00:32:12.000 She humiliated herself.

00:32:13.700 And then she called The New York Times, her little stenographers over there to try to completely recast what her mission was.

00:32:20.100 And they just did it.

00:32:21.480 They just wrote what she told them to as true stenographers will.

00:32:24.860 But it doesn't matter because the people who saw that, all the independent voters who saw that, know in their bones she's not ready.

00:32:32.560 And no amount of cleanup by The New York Times is going to change that.

00:32:35.720 It's too late.

00:32:36.680 I'm sorry.

00:32:37.900 You humiliated yourself.

00:32:39.560 It wasn't the first time.

00:32:41.040 And it won't be the last.

00:32:42.800 You're not ready.

00:32:43.960 And the reason you're not ready is because you're actually not naturally smart.

00:32:48.320 And so if you want to say anything resembling something smart, you're going to have to study.

00:32:53.620 And apparently you need better teachers because the one who was with you for three months couldn't get you to say the most basic answer on one of the most fundamental issues of our time, which is what the hell are we going to do if the Chinese try to take Taiwan?

00:33:11.080 Are we going to get involved or aren't we?

00:33:13.180 Of course, the country has had a policy of strategic ambiguity where we don't really say what we're going to do.

00:33:18.880 That's all she had to say.

00:33:20.440 We don't really talk about that.

00:33:21.680 We have a policy of strategic ambiguity.

00:33:23.620 Next question.

00:33:24.640 That's it.

00:33:25.240 That's it.

00:33:26.240 She didn't know the answer.

00:33:28.560 She couldn't remember the prep.

00:33:30.360 You could see the little eyeballs like funneling through information.

00:33:34.140 And she's not familiar enough with, honestly, this very basic foreign policy.

00:33:38.440 We don't do a ton of foreign policy on this show.

00:33:40.340 We all know that one.

00:33:42.720 She's just not that bright.

00:33:44.220 So that's her.

00:33:45.140 Although she did get a lot in the media, not just the New York Times to try to run cover for her. 0.94

00:33:49.800 Here's the equally unlikable Abby Phillip from CNN the other night on her show, Sot 17. 0.84

00:33:56.620 MAGA is having a field day with this one.

00:33:59.440 A flub for AOC.

00:34:01.520 But the question is also, what happens when the president, the actual president of the United States, does very similar things on the world stage?

00:34:10.960 So, look, I'll give you that AOC probably should have been more ready for that question.

00:34:15.580 But are we going to really pretend that the actual president of the United States has not made similar or perhaps worse flubs on the global?

00:34:24.260 Are we really going to pretend that you're the answer to CNN's need for fair and balanced coverage and new audience?

00:34:33.960 Because you're failing.

00:34:35.760 No one watches you.

00:34:37.240 Your audience has been cut to below 400,000, which is a complete embarrassment.

00:34:44.680 You ought to be fired.

00:34:45.900 And your cocky, smug sense of self ought to be wiped away in one ratings period. 0.96

00:34:52.340 Because no one watches you.

00:34:54.260 What does it say?

00:34:55.720 That you're the most interesting thing on CNN and literally nobody's watching you.

00:35:00.640 Okay?

00:35:01.100 You don't have a long job trajectory, sweetheart.

00:35:04.000 And when you eventually get fired as your network implodes and try to go out into the independent lane, you will fail there too.

00:35:11.160 Because all you do is speak in a monotone.

00:35:14.960 And say things that attack President Trump while trying to sound reasonable but not being reasonable and constantly cutting off the one conservative on your panel and showing slight indignation whenever they make a good point for the...

00:35:32.160 I mean, who could listen to this woman? 1.00

00:35:34.380 It's horrible.

00:35:35.680 She's got more people on her panel than she does audience members. 0.99

00:35:39.700 AOC wasn't done saying dumb things.

00:35:42.920 She also thought it was going to be a real slam on President Trump to talk about the Maduro raid in Venezuela and some basic geography that she also didn't know. 0.73

00:35:56.320 It's not 13.

00:35:56.980 You know, we look at what happened in Venezuela, for example.

00:36:02.460 It is not a...

00:36:03.980 It is not a remark on who Maduro was as a leader.

00:36:12.100 He canceled elections.

00:36:13.360 He was an anti-democratic leader.

00:36:14.900 That doesn't mean that we can kidnap a head of state and engage in acts of war just because the nation is below the equator. 1.00

00:36:23.060 Okay, you're an idiot. 1.00

00:36:25.900 The nation is entirely above the equator. 1.00

00:36:28.060 It's not below...

00:36:28.880 All you need is a map.

00:36:30.760 That's it.

00:36:31.620 Maybe they didn't have that on the bar where you were serving the cocktails. 0.92

00:36:34.800 And don't get into it on the...

00:36:36.780 There's nothing wrong with being a cocktail waitress.

00:36:38.280 I know.

00:36:38.680 I was one, actually, for quite some time.

00:36:41.460 And there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

00:36:43.120 But then when you run for Congress and actually are a sitting congresswoman, you need to study.

00:36:46.720 Then you actually do need to brush up on a few bare facts before you use them in your little talking point slams of the president.

00:36:55.520 You humiliated yourself again.

00:36:58.440 She's not ready for primetime.

00:37:00.380 And honestly, I have had...

00:37:01.940 Okay, Sandy.

00:37:03.460 Sandy from Westchester.

00:37:06.180 Maduro.

00:37:07.360 Venezuela.

00:37:08.360 You do not come from there.

00:37:10.860 You have absolutely no background in this department.

00:37:14.880 You came from a relatively tony private school in Westchester, which is one of the nicest, richest districts in America.

00:37:24.060 Maduro.

00:37:25.240 Venezuela.

00:37:26.320 Who do you think you're kidding?

00:37:27.600 Sandy?

00:37:28.720 It's absurd.

00:37:30.280 This woman is an actress cosplaying the part of a Latina congresswoman.

00:37:35.720 Okay.

00:37:36.340 I've had it.

00:37:37.700 And I'm sick of the press running cover for her at every turn. 0.76

00:37:40.880 And because I know you are asking yourself, but what does Joy Behar think about all of this?

00:37:46.160 Here you go.

00:37:47.640 SOT 18.

00:37:49.560 Check him out before you start attacking AOC.

00:37:52.560 Who, by the way, it sounded a little hummina, hummina, hummina.

00:37:56.200 But, you know, compared to him, it's like Mensa.

00:37:59.100 I can take hummina, hummina from congresspeople and stuff.

00:38:03.340 You don't have yourself together.

00:38:04.560 That's on you.

00:38:05.600 I can't take it from the guy who says he's the leader of the free world.

00:38:11.020 We really want to know what you think, Whoopi.

00:38:13.720 Why don't you work on rehabilitating yourself out of your mention in the Epstein files for seeking to use Jeffrey's private jet and stop worrying about he whose name you will not speak? 0.98

00:38:25.660 How does ABC allow her to get away with this shit? 1.00

00:38:28.600 I mean, this is like ABC fancies itself as having one of the premier news organizations in the country. 1.00

00:38:35.080 And they let this nonsense go on every day on The View with their fake conservatives there.

00:38:42.260 Like the one, the blonde one, she's also supposed to be conservative. 0.99

00:38:45.940 What's her name?

00:38:46.420 Sarah?

00:38:47.340 She's like, if that's okay.

00:38:49.940 She's as conservative as Nicole Wallace is over on MSNBC. 1.00

00:38:53.580 So, yeah, The View, as usual, is not doing well.

00:38:58.100 All right.

00:38:58.360 Now, we got to talk about the Olympics because I don't know if you've been watching the Olympics, but we've been catching some here or there.

00:39:04.660 And there's been some delightful developments. 0.96

00:39:07.560 We brought to you an AM update, and I'm sure you've been following somewhat, the story of this figure skater, Amber Glenn, who is extremely annoying and calls herself a woke bitch. 1.00

00:39:19.280 She decided before she went over there to get into her pansexuality and how it's so hard to be this kind of person in Trump's America because he's so awful and he hates gays, I guess. 0.96

00:39:33.880 She didn't really elaborate, but I suppose that's what she's saying because she said it's been very tough for gays under the Trump administration.

00:39:40.680 So, she, as, you know, I guess some sort of pansexual person on the world stage, decided she needed to speak out for the absence of LGBTQ rights in America.

00:39:52.880 America, where gays have complete equal parity.

00:39:55.980 So much so that their organizations have now been faced with a choice of either disbanding or getting on board the trans agenda. 0.57

00:40:02.200 And to the extent they get on board the trans agenda, all the gays have abandoned them. 0.99

00:40:07.560 Just because you're gay or lesbian doesn't mean you're a nut. 0.91

00:40:10.940 Most normal gays and lesbians have taken one look at this trans agenda and said, I'm out. 0.95

00:40:16.200 I'm out.

00:40:16.960 It's a divorce.

00:40:18.400 I just wanted to be true to who I was and my sexuality, which obviously is inborn. 0.99

00:40:23.940 And I'm not for chopping off the balls and penises of little boys who have a moment of gender confusion. 0.99

00:40:30.000 Not my thing. 1.00

00:40:31.680 Okay, glad.

00:40:33.060 Think you kind of forgot the mission.

00:40:35.080 In any event, she's still out there claiming it's all the same.

00:40:38.760 And it's a very, very difficult country to be in if you're LGBTQ.

00:40:42.100 Okay, sure.

00:40:42.780 Sure it is.

00:40:43.780 So, she decides, rather than to focus on her skating, to focus on the letter brigade and lecturing us all about how America needs to do better.

00:40:51.320 And then she was part of the women's skating team that won gold.

00:40:56.580 She was one cog in that wheel.

00:40:58.080 So cool.

00:40:58.580 She got one gold medal.

00:41:01.140 But, oh, and by the way, after she won her one gold medal, she came out and was very nasty. 1.00

00:41:06.600 And once again, came out with her little, I'm a woke bitch, whatever. 1.00

00:41:11.880 I don't, do we have that, Deb? 0.99

00:41:12.700 Is that SOT 27?

00:41:13.340 I'm not sure if we cut that one. 0.99

00:41:15.220 In any event, she did come out, no, and gave a little nasty, like, ha ha, I'm a woke bitch and I'm not sorry. 1.00

00:41:22.720 Well, guess what? 0.98

00:41:24.240 Didn't go so well for Amber when she had to perform alone for her own individual gold medal.

00:41:32.680 They had the short program the other night.

00:41:35.220 Wait, it didn't go well for her.

00:41:37.800 Take a look at SOT 28.

00:41:42.940 No.

00:41:43.680 Zero points for that double.

00:41:45.920 She does a triple axel and then she doesn't do what needed to happen after, which was some sort of another jump. 1.00

00:41:52.940 So she got nothing.

00:41:54.540 No points.

00:41:58.040 She cries on the ice.

00:42:03.100 She's crying as she gets off the ice.

00:42:05.460 And indeed, she placed 13th.

00:42:09.380 Lucky number 13 was awaiting Amber.

00:42:12.700 And I'll tell you something, it's not, maybe it is divine right order, quite honestly, but what I really think is she allowed herself to get distracted.

00:42:20.160 She was so focused on delivering her, let's go LGBTQs. 1.00

00:42:23.500 And really what she means is TQs because everybody else is fine. 0.99

00:42:27.480 That she wanted to make the Olympics about her and her cause as opposed to making it about us and our country like the Olympics are supposed to be.

00:42:41.200 And you know what Americans did who understand the actual mission behind the Olympics and what our athletes should sound like?

00:42:47.820 They turned on her.

00:42:49.120 They turned on her so much she had to shut down her social media.

00:42:51.640 Now, if you are at the Olympics and you have to shut down your social media, you've made a grave error.

00:42:58.180 You've done something very wrong because Americans are very, very much inclined to support their athletes when they're abroad competing for our country.

00:43:06.040 Very.

00:43:06.720 And they will forgive a lot.

00:43:08.700 They could not care less if you have a poor performance.

00:43:11.120 They're not, it's not like being an Eagles fan.

00:43:13.300 I'm married to one, so I know.

00:43:16.460 They'll stick by you.

00:43:18.040 Look what happened to Ilya Malin the other night when he was supposed, I mean, he's like God's gift to ice skating.

00:43:25.460 He's superhuman.

00:43:27.620 His world championship skate was like the greatest skate that ice skating has ever seen.

00:43:31.600 And he got out there for this gold medal performance and completely botched it.

00:43:36.000 He had a terrible night on February 13th.

00:43:40.060 The country didn't turn on him.

00:43:41.640 Everybody felt empathy for him.

00:43:43.080 We were cheering for him anyway.

00:43:44.300 All we all wanted to do was give him a hug and say, don't worry about it.

00:43:47.520 We're so proud of you.

00:43:48.340 You'll get him the next time.

00:43:49.340 And then there was a great story about how all these top athletes started calling Ilya.

00:43:54.100 The only name I remember is Tom Brady, but it really made me respect Tom Brady.

00:43:57.820 I have to say, very, very classy move of Tom who called Ilya to say like, don't worry about it, man.

00:44:03.940 And like, that's great.

00:44:05.020 That's a world-class A-plus athlete reaching out to another to say, I've been there.

00:44:10.320 I've humiliated myself.

00:44:11.880 And there's nothing that a news anchor or even a civilian could say to a guy like Ilya that would be as much of a soft place to fall as Tom Brady saying, let me tell you about my face plants.

00:44:26.080 So that's great.

00:44:27.580 America will stand behind its athletes if they fail.

00:44:30.680 They will not stand behind someone who bashes the country, especially on the world stage after we've literally wrapped them in the stars and stripes.

00:44:39.860 I've been through enough of these.

00:44:41.060 We've talked about it.

00:44:42.340 It's a no.

00:44:43.620 It's like one of the few moments where we really feel patriotic and we get behind one another and we feel super proud of the American flag and the American anthem.

00:44:51.620 And you can get in trouble just not for singing.

00:44:53.760 But this girl who gets out there and tries to lecture America on its civil rights because of the TQ issue. 1.00

00:45:00.580 I mean, she lumps the whole thing in because she understands she's not part of TQ.

00:45:05.120 I don't know if she is or not. 0.97

00:45:06.160 Who the hell knows what pansexual is? 0.97

00:45:07.560 That's made up, too. 1.00

00:45:08.360 You attention-needy skater.

00:45:11.880 So she went down in flames and we enjoyed it.

00:45:17.200 That's what happened.

00:45:18.340 And what she needs to do now, Amber, Glenn, to regroup is to take a lesson.

00:45:23.200 Okay, she needs to take a lesson from an athlete who did get it right, a skater, a skater who went out. 0.99

00:45:31.220 He's on Team USA.

00:45:32.600 He's on the hockey team.

00:45:34.920 And he was asked after we beat Sweden how he feels.

00:45:39.400 His name is Quinn Hughes.

00:45:40.760 How he felt about the win.

00:45:42.540 He's very measured.

00:45:43.320 He's kind of like he's not overly emotional.

00:45:45.640 But, man, does he nail it.

00:45:47.060 Listen here to Quinn Hughes, top 33.

00:45:49.400 USA flags all over the place.

00:45:50.780 You could hear the chance.

00:45:51.640 What's that atmosphere there?

00:45:52.600 Yeah, it's special.

00:45:53.480 I mean, you know, I love the U.S.

00:45:57.460 And it's the scariest country in the world.

00:46:00.000 So happy to represent it here with these guys.

00:46:02.220 And that's very special.

00:46:04.460 That's it.

00:46:06.800 That's all it takes.

00:46:08.140 By the way, they're about to skate in the final game against our evil top hat, Canada, who's been cheating left and right in these games.

00:46:14.760 My God, the curling controversy?

00:46:16.600 I can't get over it.

00:46:18.080 That guy, Mark Kennedy, who keeps getting caught, pressing the stone, touching the stone after he's no longer allowed to touch the stone.

00:46:24.900 Now he's complaining that he was unfairly videotaped doing his cheating.

00:46:31.560 He's like, I was unfairly, surreptitiously videotaped.

00:46:36.300 Not unfairly, but surreptitiously, I guess.

00:46:39.260 First, the Swedes did it because they knew he was going to cheat.

00:46:43.040 And sure enough, he did.

00:46:43.820 And then the Swiss had to compete against him.

00:46:45.860 And he got caught doing the same thing.

00:46:47.680 And for the first time, Switzerland went non-neutral and said, cheater. 0.99

00:46:51.980 And these refs in curling are pathetic, I have to say. 1.00

00:46:55.200 Then the Canadian women's team did it, too. 0.99

00:46:56.960 Look at him.

00:46:57.340 He touched the stone.

00:46:58.400 You're never allowed to touch the stone.

00:47:00.240 Look at this.

00:47:00.660 You are not allowed to touch the stone, period.

00:47:02.840 And you can't touch any part of the rock once it crosses that hog line. 0.84

00:47:06.140 But look at him.

00:47:06.700 He's touching the stone.

00:47:08.280 That is touching the stone.

00:47:11.180 He touched that stone just as much as Harrison Ford romanced his.

00:47:15.040 We all saw it.

00:47:16.400 And apparently he did it not only against the Swedes, but then again against the Swiss.

00:47:21.940 And so did the Canadian women's team.

00:47:24.680 So let's see if their hockey team is just like their curling team.

00:47:28.020 Because you, sir, have humiliated yourself and your country.

00:47:31.780 And that leads me to Eileen Gu.

00:47:35.080 Eileen Gu was born in America to, I think, an American father and a Chinese mother.

00:47:41.620 And she was raised here.

00:47:43.640 She went to Stanford.

00:47:45.140 She had this privileged upbringing in San Francisco.

00:47:48.940 All the gifts.

00:47:50.260 Becomes this world-class skier.

00:47:51.980 And then, because she got a big fat check from China, she claims it was to inspire young Chinese athletes.

00:47:59.520 She decided to skate in the Olympics under the Chinese flag.

00:48:02.860 So she gets all the advantages of being an American.

00:48:06.780 She gets all the support from her fellow Americans.

00:48:09.440 She takes an education at an American university, one of our most prestigious.

00:48:15.260 And then she flies the coop to go compete for China, where she reportedly got a check. 1.00

00:48:21.000 Okay, so that's Eileen Gu's values.

00:48:23.280 And Eileen Gu was a heavy favorite to win a couple of golds this week. 0.75

00:48:29.060 She did win gold earlier in the Olympics. 0.99

00:48:31.860 But instead, she took silver.

00:48:34.680 She couldn't quite get it done.

00:48:37.240 And someone asked her about it.

00:48:39.120 And you tell me whether this is a likable person.

00:48:42.440 Here she is.

00:48:43.620 Do you see these as two silvers gained or two golds lost?

00:48:47.600 I'm the most decorated female free skier in history.

00:48:53.480 I think that's an answer in and of itself.

00:48:57.180 How do I say this?

00:48:59.120 Winning a medal at the Olympics is a life-changing experience for every athlete.

00:49:04.980 Doing it five times is exponentially harder.

00:49:07.800 Because every medal is equally hard for me.

00:49:10.640 But everybody else's expectations rise, right?

00:49:13.140 And so the two medals lost situation, to be quite frank with you, I think is kind of a ridiculous perspective to take.

00:49:22.200 I'm showcasing my best skiing.

00:49:24.280 I'm doing things that quite literally have never been done before.

00:49:28.040 And so I think that is more than good enough.

00:49:30.860 But thank you.

00:49:33.080 Oh, my God.

00:49:34.120 She's stomach turning.

00:49:35.220 The self-aggrandizing, self-flattery, the sneering, I'm the best, you will love me. 0.99

00:49:49.240 Fucking enjoy China, okay? 0.99

00:49:52.040 Enjoy China. 1.00

00:49:53.820 Goodbye.

00:49:54.900 We don't care.

00:49:56.400 We don't want you.

00:49:58.060 I'm so glad you're enjoying your silver.

00:50:01.720 By the way, I don't think China's going to be happy with that.

00:50:03.780 Hate to break it to you.

00:50:04.520 So they're kind of, like, really prone to demands for excellence.

00:50:08.620 Here's the stats on her. 1.00

00:50:11.960 She's the highest-paid Winter Olympic athlete in the world, making an estimated $23 million in 2025 alone amid partnerships with Chinese companies, including the Bank of China and some Western companies.

00:50:25.580 She's never spoken out publicly against China's alleged human rights abuses, of course, because they won't allow that.

00:50:32.140 You're not going to get your payday if you do that.

00:50:34.520 But Eileen, no, she hasn't said anything, including what they've done to the Uyghurs and so on, because she wants her check. 0.99

00:50:42.540 And then when that reporter asks, like, the sweetest thing, like, is that a win of two silvers or a loss of two goals to the person who was favored to win the goals?

00:50:51.280 She gets her nasty, she gets her nasty, sneering self onto a reporter who probably makes $35,000 a year to effectively slap him down because she's Eileen Gu for China. 1.00

00:51:04.120 Well, fuck off. 1.00

00:51:06.080 Enjoyed China. 1.00

00:51:07.280 Okay?

00:51:07.900 See how you do over there.

00:51:10.320 And she's, oh, she's somebody who also spoke out in defense of that Hunter Hess, who was ripping on America, too, the skier.

00:51:20.460 And she thought it was just fine for him to do all that.

00:51:23.260 He ripped on ice, remember?

00:51:24.740 And she got quick to get his back because she loves people speaking out about human rights at the Olympics. 0.99

00:51:31.740 It just won't be her, you see, because, you know, you could, like, get the death penalty in China if you say any of that shit there. 0.99

00:51:37.540 But she got her medals, and she got her endorsement deal, and she got to make that blue-collar reporter feel like shit. 1.00

00:51:45.120 So big win, Eileen. 0.99

00:51:46.840 Literally no one over here is rooting for you.

00:51:49.480 However, we are rooting for our American men's hockey team in a game that starts in about half an hour.

00:51:56.020 We will keep you up to speed on that.

00:51:58.960 Coming up, Zach Peter.

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00:53:09.780 I want to turn now to the latest on the Nancy Guthrie case, including a new hit piece from none other than Inside Edition taking aim at YouTubers on the ground in Tucson.

00:53:23.300 Yes, they're the problem.

00:53:25.520 The ones trying to call attention to a missing 84-year-old.

00:53:29.360 Essentially telling them to pack up and go home, which is what the local representative from Tucson also said, a Democrat who told them to go home.

00:53:37.320 Are you going to find Nancy?

00:53:38.960 What are you doing to find Nancy, madam?

00:53:42.080 Meantime, criticism of Sheriff Nanos is reaching an all-time high.

00:53:45.280 My next guest I discovered through the Blake Lively coverage, but he's been covering the Nancy Guthrie case like no one else, and I have quickly fallen in love with this man.

00:53:58.220 He is amazing.

00:53:59.980 Here are just a few clips and why I fell in love with Zach Peter.

00:54:04.320 The sheriff just said Savannah and her entire family, siblings and spouses included, are cleared in the whole case of their missing mom.

00:54:11.580 Is the investigation over?

00:54:13.260 No.

00:54:13.520 Do they know who did it?

00:54:15.120 Also no.

00:54:16.440 So do they have evidence that clears the entire Guthrie family, siblings and spouses included?

00:54:21.120 The sheriff said, and I quote,

00:54:23.460 Not going there.

00:54:25.460 Not going where?

00:54:26.520 To find the missing lady? 0.69

00:54:27.740 What does that even mean?

00:54:28.380 Let me get this straight in this Nancy B'nai Rancid case.

00:54:30.520 We're on day 17 now because we're still looking at this as a kidnapping when nothing about this fits the profile of a kidnapping.

00:54:36.460 And if anything, it looks like a murder and a kidnapping cover-up.

00:54:39.620 But whatever, let's continue to go down this wild goose chase of some random old lady snatcher that still has Nancy B'nai Ramsey. 1.00

00:54:46.760 None of it makes sense.

00:54:48.200 I don't like it.

00:54:49.260 I think I'm done.

00:54:50.840 I think I am fully done with Nancy B'nai Ramsey.

00:54:53.720 Okay, forgive me.

00:54:54.400 I'm just getting back from the gym.

00:54:55.460 And every time I tell myself I'm going to stop covering this Nancy B'nai Ramsey case, like, it just sucks me back in every single morning.

00:55:02.560 Because now Sheriff Nananananos is on his celebrity press tour.

00:55:07.140 Okay.

00:55:08.520 I'm sorry, but Nancy B'nai Ramsey is very clever. 0.99

00:55:11.640 It's, you gotta laugh.

00:55:13.080 This whole case has been so dark.

00:55:14.340 It's so dark, and Zach Peter helps us do that while he helps keep us up to date on the latest.

00:55:19.080 Joining me now for the first time is Zach Peter.

00:55:20.760 He's hosted the podcast No Filter with Zach Peter, where he gives some hilarious hot takes on pop culture news and more.

00:55:27.560 Zach, welcome to the show.

00:55:29.160 Thank you for having me.

00:55:31.020 You're so funny and you're so clever.

00:55:33.580 And I feel like you're exactly where I am on this case, where it's like, I'm out.

00:55:38.540 I'm done. 1.00

00:55:39.160 This is such bullshit. 1.00

00:55:40.520 And then you're like, I'm back in. 1.00

00:55:42.080 Because there's like a new nugget where you're like, I've got to figure out what that means.

00:55:45.740 I know.

00:55:46.420 I mean, Megan, I feel like at this point we're one OJ glove short of a circus because it is just wackadoodle crazy every time.

00:55:53.380 Now we have a reality show.

00:55:54.920 I mean, it's just every day I feel like I'm at Guthrie fatigue, and then some new piece of information comes out that just throws me in another tizzy.

00:56:05.440 Yes, same.

00:56:06.620 So like the reality show info came out yesterday that the sheriff's department has been cooperating for a reality show about their department, though it doesn't feature, what do you call him?

00:56:19.020 Sheriff Banana Nanos.

00:56:21.260 He's not the star, but his department is.

00:56:26.560 But yeah, reality TV show was all this whole thing was missing.

00:56:30.300 So, I mean, notwithstanding the fact that you're so funny and you find a way of making jokes out of this, which I really do appreciate.

00:56:35.640 I always find humor in even the darkest news.

00:56:38.280 It's the way you can handle it.

00:56:39.880 You really have been following the case closely.

00:56:42.740 So I want to talk to you about a couple of like where you think it's going, because I think what you've been saying lately is you're just not buying the official messaging.

00:56:51.060 Like something stinks to you.

00:56:52.680 Yeah, I mean, in terms of where it's going, we're going into a snowstorm.

00:56:55.820 Like the case is going cold.

00:56:57.120 We're not getting any new updates.

00:56:58.860 We're day 19, headed into day 20.

00:57:00.980 We have no suspects.

00:57:02.220 We have no leads.

00:57:03.080 We have no DNA matches on any of the evidence, whether it's one of the 20 gloves that we're out there searching for or the DNA inside the house.

00:57:11.820 Like there's no information.

00:57:13.480 We have no clear idea of where to even look.

00:57:17.840 And I feel like we're still looking at this as a kidnapping when statistically, you know, these things have profiles, right?

00:57:24.380 Whether it's a kidnapping or a burglary or a crime against somebody that's elderly.

00:57:28.360 There is a very clear pattern and there is statistical data that follows that pattern.

00:57:34.020 And this has none of that.

00:57:35.580 And it's so strange to me that, you know, I mean, I'm saying Sheriff Nananananos, he's on his Taylor Swift Life of a Showgirl press tour right now.

00:57:43.860 And the Guthrie family, it's so strange.

00:57:46.560 I mean, you've been covering cases for a while.

00:57:48.160 For me, this is one instance where we have someone that's missing and we are seeing the family like very, very little.

00:57:56.500 There's no press conferences, press conferences.

00:57:59.160 We're not seeing them out searching for their mother.

00:58:01.320 We're not seeing, we're not getting daily updates from them.

00:58:03.940 I'm trying not to judge them, but like every day I'm getting more and more curious about what's really going on and what information we're hiding because it feels like the public is not getting the real story.

00:58:14.680 It's a very good point.

00:58:16.220 We have seen so little of the Guthrie's.

00:58:20.000 We haven't even seen them out, you know, joining in a search or like helping with the grid, you know, pattern where they walk the grounds.

00:58:28.540 Prayer vigil.

00:58:29.440 I mean, prayer vigil or like even an everyday update.

00:58:33.020 Like this is, please keep the pressure on.

00:58:35.140 Please keep looking for our mom.

00:58:36.640 It's just like every once in a while they drop like a 30 second video being like, if you have our mom, please return her.

00:58:43.980 It is a little odd.

00:58:44.880 And not even they, it's just Savannah at this point.

00:58:47.540 The rest of the family has dipped out.

00:58:48.940 It's just Savannah.

00:58:49.880 And she gives us like a quick, a strange quick update.

00:58:53.280 But it's even the tone of the video shifted from, you know, we're going to pay the ransom.

00:58:57.880 We're right.

00:58:58.260 We're ball.

00:58:58.840 Like we're a family and we're in, we're going to pay.

00:59:00.600 And then suddenly the tone of the videos completely changes and they're not addressing, was the ransom paid?

00:59:06.320 Are they going to pay it?

00:59:07.420 Why did they suddenly deflect from the ransom?

00:59:10.040 Because Sheriff Nanos is out here giving us the impression that this is still a kidnapping.

00:59:13.660 And there's some strange old lady snatcher that's out there that has Nancy in a bunker somewhere nearly 20 days later. 0.91

00:59:20.400 And I'm just like, this is an 84 year old woman.

00:59:23.220 She needs medication. 0.99

00:59:24.220 She can't walk on her own.

00:59:25.640 And, you know, we're, we have no sense of urgency.

00:59:28.960 You know, even his interviews yesterday, he was just like, you know, very monotone.

00:59:33.180 Like, you better return her.

00:59:35.260 You better bring her back. 0.97

00:59:36.580 And I was like, oh, that's going to really scare this old lady snatcher. 1.00

00:59:39.680 Or Savannah's like playing with them and saying like, you know, please bring her mother back.

00:59:43.940 We believe in the goodness of humanity.

00:59:45.940 And I'm just like, this is a man that you guys believe has kept this elderly woman somewhere for two, for over two weeks now.

00:59:53.580 And we think suddenly he's going to have some compassion and be like, oh yeah, let me just drop her off at a local gas station.

00:59:59.000 Like, I just, it doesn't make sense to me.

01:00:01.480 It doesn't make sense to me either.

01:00:03.180 And the sheriff is like, he's an enigma, that guy.

01:00:06.460 I don't understand what he's doing, right?

01:00:08.780 He no longer is having press conferences.

01:00:11.700 He's just doing like a one-on-one round robin with news organization after news organization.

01:00:18.420 Like, maybe he thinks he's going to do better in like a one-on-one setting.

01:00:22.220 But he just has to keep repeating the same thing over and over and over.

01:00:26.300 So what do you make of that?

01:00:27.240 You think he, like, in a way it's more exposure for him because he just gets a bunch of play on each one's network.

01:00:33.500 Listen, I get it.

01:00:34.260 He's got his JCPenney's finest and he's out there doing all these interviews.

01:00:37.880 But like, it doesn't make sense to me either because the interviews that he's doing contradict the information.

01:00:44.240 I mean, we saw Sunday evening we got an interview that says that nobody has been cleared, right?

01:00:49.500 No one's been cleared in this entire investigation.

01:00:51.400 And then suddenly, you know, 12 hours later, not even a full 24 hours later, he's unilaterally clearing the Guthrie family and saying that they're the victims.

01:01:01.440 And I'm just like, actually, no, we need to remember the victim here is Nancy Guthrie.

01:01:05.380 This 84-year-old woman is still at large.

01:01:08.320 We have not found her.

01:01:09.460 She is the real victim.

01:01:10.400 And until you bring her home and have someone in handcuffs with real evidence to pin this crime, you can't clear anybody.

01:01:17.440 Like, I'm not a detective, but I've watched enough true crime to know that nobody is cleared.

01:01:22.180 And in a case like this of a missing persons, the circle that you look to is their immediate circle, which includes their close family and friends.

01:01:29.160 So the fact that he did that and he made such a jarring, you know, 160, 180, clearing the family, to me felt like that was pressure from the family that's like, hey, the internet is starting to think that this is us.

01:01:43.900 You need to do us a solid, do us a favor.

01:01:46.240 And that kind of feels like what he did.

01:01:48.920 And based off of the experts that I've heard, you know, it seems like this was a personal favor rather than a strong judgment call on his hands.

01:01:57.640 100%.

01:01:58.240 100%.

01:01:59.380 And meanwhile, it's like, well, if you don't want us to focus on the family, we're happy not to.

01:02:02.940 Just tell us why.

01:02:03.660 Right.

01:02:03.960 Explain to us why.

01:02:04.840 Like, did they all take and pass polygraphs?

01:02:07.680 Or like, what is it?

01:02:08.440 Is it a DNA thing?

01:02:09.780 Have they all been able to account for their whereabouts on the night in question?

01:02:12.380 Just like, you cannot just 24 hours, not even, after saying no one's been ruled out, say they've been ruled out based on no new information and ask us to swallow it.

01:02:22.340 It may be true.

01:02:23.660 I don't think it is.

01:02:24.460 I don't think he's ruled anybody out.

01:02:25.600 Because then the very next day he changed it to, they're not actively suspects.

01:02:31.040 Like, I'm not actively investigating them, however you put it.

01:02:34.720 I'm not leaning towards them.

01:02:35.900 They've done nothing to, like, make themselves suspects.

01:02:39.160 I'll get the exact language.

01:02:40.100 But he waffled on it again.

01:02:42.160 So we all know that this is a gift he gave to Savannah Guthrie, the one he says he's in touch with, not Tomas and Annie.

01:02:48.680 Right, which tells me he's enamored with the celebrity profile of this case.

01:02:53.260 And he, I mean, if he's willing to put his professional career, because it was so interesting that his statement even called out the media and said that they need to stand by their professionalism.

01:03:03.220 I'm like, excuse me, sir, you need to stand by your professionalism and not get enamored by the celebrity profile of this case.

01:03:09.760 Because just because you get a call from presumably Savannah, because as you've said, that's the one person that he said he's been in the most contact with with the family.

01:03:17.540 And he hasn't really talked to Annie or Tommaso, which from what we've seen, they were the last person, they were the last people to have presumably seen Nancy Guthrie alive.

01:03:26.860 They spent the night with her before she disappeared.

01:03:29.720 And there's a lot of eyes on them, right?

01:03:32.280 We've seen the officers in and out of their home.

01:03:35.160 We heard that there was one of their cars that was towed.

01:03:37.460 And we're not getting any real clear answers as to why they were they prime suspects.

01:03:42.760 Did you do enough to find out that they're no longer prime suspects?

01:03:45.540 And if not, then give the public some answers, because as I've also been very clear when it comes to the public interest in this case, we, the public, are funding this investigation.

01:03:55.360 The local sheriff's department and the FBI are being funded by local Arizona members and by all of us, right?

01:04:02.980 These are FBI resources that are going into this.

01:04:05.500 And from what we've seen, the Guthrie family has not offered up a single penny to help with this investigation.

01:04:11.240 It does.

01:04:12.140 It does seem like that right now, right?

01:04:13.560 They just received an anonymous donation of one hundred thousand dollars to one of the tip lines.

01:04:20.120 The FBI raised its own money for the hundred thousand dollar reward.

01:04:23.820 The other one is anonymous.

01:04:26.040 I suppose it could potentially be from a family member, but I'd be surprised because there was somebody saying he was going to donate the hundred thousand to that other tip line.

01:04:34.440 So, like, it's anonymous, but I don't know if it's really anonymous or if it's the guy who said he was about to do it.

01:04:39.560 Meanwhile, I have something to show you with the sheriff.

01:04:42.240 I saw it on X today.

01:04:43.500 I had noticed the crying in one of the interviews he did.

01:04:47.080 And I was like, that's very strange.

01:04:48.500 I don't think I've ever seen, like, a cop running an investigation until, like, something devastating happened.

01:04:54.760 You know, like, I've seen cops, like, a child has died and been tortured come close to breaking down when they have to tell you this is how it's landed.

01:05:02.780 But that's not at all where we are in this case.

01:05:07.320 And this cop is the sheriff is giving interviews to everybody and their brother.

01:05:11.460 And as it turns out, he's been crying like on a dime.

01:05:15.760 And it seems to me to be an affectation.

01:05:19.440 But I'd love to hear your opinion.

01:05:21.440 Watch.

01:05:21.740 We put together a little montage.

01:05:23.720 What gives you hope that Nancy is still out there?

01:05:25.780 So you still believe this is an active rescue mission at this point?

01:05:53.300 We hope so.

01:05:54.000 I know you've been in contact with Savannah, who we know is in Tucson.

01:05:58.040 What is your message to her and the Guthrie family and all the viewers who care so much about Savannah?

01:06:07.180 We're not going to give up.

01:06:09.160 We'll get this.

01:06:10.900 Sheriff, we thank you for your time.

01:06:12.200 I know you're busy.

01:06:13.300 And I'm going to be praying that you find Nancy.

01:06:17.480 Thank you.

01:06:18.300 Appreciate it.

01:06:19.980 All right, Zach, what do you make of that?

01:06:21.720 I mean, I get it.

01:06:22.600 We're in this era of men are allowed to cry and we're, you know, dominating toxic masculinity.

01:06:27.160 But sometimes we need to bring back a little toxic masculinity because I don't need the sheriff running this case to be in tears with every interview.

01:06:34.300 If that were my mother that we're missing and I saw sheriff going around giving all these interviews rather than, you know, focusing on the investigation.

01:06:42.340 And then crying in every interview as much as like, okay, yeah, I have a little compassion for you, but I feel like the family would be deeply troubled by this.

01:06:51.260 Me as just, you know, a member of the public viewing this and seeing him in tears just doesn't ring of much professionalism.

01:06:58.660 It seems like he's in over his head.

01:07:00.720 He's either performing these tears or, you know, he's way too invested, right?

01:07:06.600 Which, again, makes me question his professionalism and his, you know, his badge at this point.

01:07:13.000 If he's not able to separate personal from professional, I mean, you're on the force.

01:07:17.780 You're seeing crimes that are horrific that, you know, we the public hope to never see these details of, you know, in some of these horrific instances.

01:07:25.420 But, like, you can't even get it together for one interview.

01:07:28.240 It doesn't make sense.

01:07:30.040 I mean, I was surprised.

01:07:31.280 Like, I saw the one.

01:07:32.320 I was like, you know, this is an emotional case.

01:07:34.480 Maybe he just lost it.

01:07:35.520 And then his brother, I think, died in hospice care the same day Nancy Guthrie went missing.

01:07:41.360 So I'm like, okay, he's under strain.

01:07:43.320 But this is a lot.

01:07:44.100 This is a lot of crying for what's supposed to be a grizzled Southwestern U.S. sheriff.

01:07:49.260 You know, like, you want those guys with their thumbs in their belt loops and their gunslinger hanging there. 0.99

01:07:55.160 And they're going to, like, kick anybody's ass who messes with somebody from Tucson. 0.99

01:07:58.500 That's not exactly what we're getting. 0.99

01:08:00.360 No, that and, like, this is a missing person, right?

01:08:03.680 And he keeps saying in every interview he believes Nancy's alive.

01:08:07.080 I mean, I feel like, and he also said it's going to take years for him to crack this code.

01:08:11.000 So I feel like in eight years when he finds her alive, you know, we'll have a happy ending to this case.

01:08:15.320 But, like, it makes, it doesn't add up.

01:08:17.600 If he thinks she's still alive and he's trying to find her and they're hoping that they can bargain with this old lady snatcher, this alleged old lady snatcher,

01:08:24.860 then I'm like, then why, where are the tears?

01:08:27.280 Like, you should have hope, right?

01:08:28.740 You want people to have hope that she's still alive.

01:08:30.300 So go find her.

01:08:30.960 And where's the urgency?

01:08:32.080 Exactly.

01:08:32.500 I've heard you make the same point.

01:08:33.680 And I feel the same.

01:08:34.560 Where's the urgency?

01:08:35.340 Why is it like, we're going to use the Florida lab and then we'll just run the results again at the FBI lab.

01:08:40.120 But a bunch of stuff has to happen in between then and now.

01:08:42.000 And then reportedly the Florida lab was actually closed over the weekend, delaying things further.

01:08:46.280 And I'm going to go to a basketball game in between.

01:08:48.520 But, like, she's, I'm crying.

01:08:49.860 I'm crying.

01:08:50.680 And I definitely believe she's still alive.

01:08:52.080 But it could take years because I have a lot of basketball games to go to.

01:08:54.780 It's just like none of the things make sense.

01:08:56.940 No, there's no urgency.

01:08:59.040 You know, he doesn't seem to have much conviction in any of the statements that he's making.

01:09:04.160 So it's hard for me to even have hope.

01:09:06.420 And it's like, again, we have to factor in this is an elderly woman. 0.98

01:09:10.240 She needs medication. 0.99

01:09:11.560 She can't even walk on her own. 0.65

01:09:13.740 I'm sure transporting her isn't easy.

01:09:15.880 Like, this is where you should be the most, you know, vigilant with trying to be on top of finding her because, you know, there's a race against the clock.

01:09:24.720 Mm-hmm.

01:09:25.660 So what do you think?

01:09:26.680 I mean, no one's like, no one knows.

01:09:28.280 But what are you leaning towards as the operative theory?

01:09:31.480 I think something happened to Nancy very early on.

01:09:35.780 I don't believe the kidnapping story.

01:09:38.160 To me, it's just statistically and based off of the, you know, profile of a kidnapping, it doesn't make sense.

01:09:44.040 You know, you don't steal old ladies and babies, right? 1.00

01:09:46.380 They're too much of a liability.

01:09:48.220 They're too much work.

01:09:49.640 Transporting Nancy is not easy, right?

01:09:51.440 It's not some young teenager or, you know, a young girl in her early 20s that you can just throw over your shoulder and take her to Mexico and tragically put her into the trafficking ring, right?

01:10:01.560 It's not—it doesn't fit the profile of a traditional kidnapping.

01:10:04.240 And also, the ransom notes of it all, like, this isn't the 80s.

01:10:08.140 It's so strange to me that in 2026, with the president of the United States, the FBI, the sheriff's department, and all of TikTok trying to crack this code, that we have absolutely nothing. 0.82

01:10:19.680 So to me, it feels like I'm leaning towards there's some information that's not being presented, and I'm curious as to why.

01:10:26.980 Either the sheriff is completely incompetent or he's compromised in some way.

01:10:30.680 I don't want to go down the conspiracy route of saying he's being paid off, but, like, it could be that he's so enamored with the celebrity profile that he's allowing his judgment to get in the way.

01:10:41.180 And then you factor in the early reports that we've heard of him, you know, not being very cooperative with the FBI.

01:10:46.660 So maybe he fumbled the ball and made a lot of mistakes early on, and so now he's just trying to cover up what a terrible job he's done, or he's trying to protect for somebody in the Guthrie family.

01:10:55.840 Finally, something in my gut and my instinct keep going back to the Guthrie family and there being some sort of connection or tie.

01:11:03.120 And anybody that's watched my show or watched my coverage of these cases, I've always been very good with my instinct.

01:11:08.840 I called out Blake Lively the second that New York Times article dropped.

01:11:12.180 I called out the LA fires the second, you know, they tried to tell us that this was, you know, climate change and the embers were flying 45 miles to light up all of Los Angeles.

01:11:21.580 I've always had a really good instinct, and my gut instinct here is telling me there's some sort of connection to the family, and they know something that they're not telling the public.

01:11:31.760 Hmm. I mean, I certainly hope the latter part is true, because what they are telling the public is all over the board.

01:11:37.860 Yeah.

01:11:37.980 Meanwhile, you've got, you know, that paragon of journalism inside edition weighing in to tell the YouTubers and influencers and other social media stars, get out.

01:11:50.180 We don't want you completely oblivious to the fact that everybody who's got a missing person in their life would kill to have this level of attention on their missing person case.

01:12:02.100 Whether it's an inconvenience to the neighborhood or whether the social media stars sometimes get things right or wrong or not.

01:12:09.860 But that's not what we heard.

01:12:11.860 Here's inside edition, and they're featuring the annoying Arizona state legislator Alma Hernandez. 1.00

01:12:17.200 Take a listen to this in SOT 52.

01:12:20.180 Cops say they've had it with the army of YouTube streamers camped out in front of Nancy Guthrie's home. 0.74

01:12:26.560 We're here at Nancy's home to try to just get some information.

01:12:29.200 True crime influencers from across the nation have descended on Tucson, streaming for hours on end.

01:12:36.080 Now there is a person that they did spot with a backpack going through someone's gate.

01:12:43.080 Any snippet of information becomes major breaking news streamed live.

01:12:47.660 They're actually doing more harm than good right now.

01:12:50.760 Arizona state legislator Alma Hernandez has a blunt message for the streamers.

01:12:55.000 At the end of the day, if they really, truly want to be helpful, they should probably go home.

01:12:59.680 Because Alma is going to solve it.

01:13:03.560 She's going to get out there, Zach.

01:13:05.200 I'm sure she's going to single-handedly bring enough pressure on the local PD and the feds to make sure that they devote every resource to this case. 1.00

01:13:13.060 Because let me tell you, as soon as these influencers and all these media disappear, so do the 400 officers.

01:13:17.440 Oh, for sure.

01:13:19.080 I mean, she's just embarrassed for her county, right?

01:13:21.360 She's embarrassed for all of Arizona because, I mean, what a laughingstock they've become.

01:13:25.480 This went from being America's grandma to this entire case becoming America's latest meme, right?

01:13:31.160 TikTok videos, Instagram memes, all over X.

01:13:34.620 Like, it's just the investigation has become such a joke, which is so tragic.

01:13:38.280 And my heart breaks for the Guthrie family that this is where the investigation for their missing mother has gone.

01:13:43.380 And to have somebody like Alma come out on Inside Edition and attack the YouTubers and the TikTok sleuths, I'm sorry.

01:13:51.120 We've seen now that the internet has been an instrumental piece in helping to solve cases in recent years, right?

01:13:57.840 So the fact that she just wants everybody to go away, it's not because she thinks that they're hindering the investigation.

01:14:02.780 It's because they're highlighting what an embarrassment Pima County is and their sheriff's department.

01:14:08.500 She's embarrassed that it's a reflection of her community that she's a part of.

01:14:12.920 She's a representative of.

01:14:14.800 So that's the real reason she wants us to stop covering this is because she's embarrassed and she should be.

01:14:20.580 Why doesn't she run that by the Guthrie family? 1.00

01:14:22.660 Because I have a feeling that they want attention.

01:14:25.960 And Savannah, of all people, would understand that you're going to get NBC when you want attention and you're going to get YouTubers. 0.99

01:14:31.580 That's the nature of the game in 2026 America.

01:14:34.540 And sorry.

01:14:35.200 I can't let you go.

01:14:36.140 But also, I need to defend these content creators because they're giving us live coverage.

01:14:41.400 Like, Brian Enten is boots on the ground right now.

01:14:43.940 And we need to really acknowledge that, like, they're giving us real-time updates.

01:14:48.860 They're not waiting for a segment that's scheduled, you know, on daytime news or on the Today Show.

01:14:54.960 They're giving us real-time updates.

01:14:56.740 And the public is being informed by them because the sheriff isn't giving us this information.

01:15:01.540 It's true.

01:15:02.240 As we speak, I've just got this update from Brian's YouTube or his ex-feed.

01:15:06.760 Just crossed into Mexico to see if people have heard of the Nancy Guthrie case.

01:15:10.740 He's doing the work.

01:15:11.760 He's crossing the border.

01:15:12.920 He's following the cops.

01:15:13.780 He's, you know, he works for News Nation, but he also, he's on his own.

01:15:18.320 And it's his independent journalism that's really been driving a lot of the news in this case,

01:15:22.200 including that I mentioned he just reported last night that they are using polygraphs now in the Guthrie case.

01:15:28.060 All right, before I let you go, I've got to ask you, can you just weigh in on the Justin Baldoni-Blake Lively case?

01:15:34.540 Because there were settlement discussions last week that do not appear to have worked out.

01:15:39.340 So it does appear that this case is barreling toward trial in the spring.

01:15:44.940 Where do you stand on it?

01:15:46.700 And what do you think is really going on in that matter?

01:15:49.840 Shocker.

01:15:50.140 They didn't reach a settlement.

01:15:51.580 I had heard of some of the terms from both parties and what they were requesting in those settlements.

01:15:56.720 And I did not have faith that they were going to reach a settlement by the end of it.

01:16:00.800 We have trial that's set for May.

01:16:02.560 I think Blake Lively's best case scenario right now, Baldoni's team has filed for a motion for summary judgment.

01:16:08.520 They're trying to get her case tossed out ahead of trial. 1.00

01:16:11.120 Judge Lyman has yet to actually weigh in on that.

01:16:13.700 I think Blake Lively's best case scenario is that the judge guts her case completely. 0.76

01:16:18.420 Because should it go forward to trial, I think she would be obliterated by a jury. 0.98

01:16:23.020 Because from the evidence that we've seen that's been made public on the docket,

01:16:27.160 she's such a laughingstock. 1.00

01:16:29.160 And I think her reputation will be completely obliterated should it go before a jury. 0.99

01:16:34.040 Because they will laugh her out of that courtroom. 0.93

01:16:36.000 So I think her best case scenario, Judge Lyman guts her case.

01:16:39.760 She can come out, do her press tour, say she's going to appeal, say that the law is against women, 1.00

01:16:45.080 the patriarchy is winning, and, you know, a rich, entitled actress can't get her case heard before a judge, 1.00

01:16:51.280 or before a jury, rather.

01:16:52.780 And, you know, she can say that she's still going to be a champion for women. 1.00

01:16:56.160 And, you know, she can run that BS narrative. 1.00

01:16:58.680 But, I mean, trials—

01:17:00.180 It's not going to happen.

01:17:00.840 She's—it's not going to get thrown out.

01:17:02.560 I don't think this—I love Brian Friedman.

01:17:04.280 He's my lawyer, too.

01:17:05.000 But I don't think this case is going to be resolved on summary judgment.

01:17:07.700 I think they're either going to have to settle or go to trial.

01:17:10.060 The only sad thing is, unlike Depp versus Hurd, it won't be on cam, right?

01:17:15.580 Because federal court doesn't have cameras.

01:17:16.880 So we're going to be stuck with a sketch artist trying to bring us the drama,

01:17:20.940 much sort of like P. Diddy.

01:17:22.680 It'll be like the P. Diddy case, which we managed around,

01:17:25.500 but it wasn't quite as good as having the actual cross-examination.

01:17:28.380 Zach, whatever happens, we will be having you back on to talk about it.

01:17:31.640 Thank you so much.

01:17:32.700 Thank you, Megan.

01:17:34.100 What a pleasure.

01:17:35.160 Okay, coming up, we're going to have more on the Guthrie case,

01:17:38.400 including a deep dive into that polygraph news,

01:17:41.800 and then an update on the news that we brought you yesterday from Fox News Digital

01:17:46.200 on the searches that were being done online for where Nancy Guthrie lives

01:17:50.940 and what Savannah Guthrie's salary is. 1.00

01:17:53.920 All right, that's right after this break.

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01:19:31.560 Here with me now to break down more on the latest in the Nancy Guthrie investigation

01:19:35.660 is Will Geddes, security specialist and founder of International Corporate Protection,

01:19:40.700 and Jonathan Gilliam, former Navy SEAL and FBI special agent and author of Sheep No More.

01:19:46.820 Guys, welcome back to the show.

01:19:48.080 So the latest today, and there's only a couple of headlines,

01:19:50.240 so we'll make it a quick one today,

01:19:51.900 is this from Brian Enten, who reported this late Wednesday.

01:19:57.160 SOT 50 here.

01:19:58.600 I was able to confirm that they are using polygraphs

01:20:02.940 when it comes to clearing people in the Nancy Guthrie investigation

01:20:06.920 and that it's been going on for a while.

01:20:09.760 I just, I'd actually heard about it for a while,

01:20:12.480 but I was able to finally report it today just based on the sources that I was talking to.

01:20:16.280 And this is pretty common in other cases that I've covered.

01:20:21.180 You know, polygraphs, essentially lie detector tests, are not admissible in court,

01:20:25.460 but the law enforcement, the FBI, will use them behind the scenes during the investigation

01:20:30.300 just to clear people.

01:20:32.620 And so that is happening in this case,

01:20:34.320 and I'm told they have used polygraphs to clear people in the Nancy Guthrie case.

01:20:38.120 So that's new.

01:20:38.820 Okay, but then Fox News' Matt Finn, about an hour and a half after that, reported,

01:20:45.080 Sheriff Nanos tells me the polygraphs today are for new hires.

01:20:49.520 And then Brian Enten responded an hour later saying,

01:20:53.000 the polygraphs I'm reporting about were not today.

01:20:56.800 So it's pretty interesting because the sheriff,

01:21:00.460 I don't know how Brian found out that polygraphs were being given.

01:21:05.920 And he, I don't, I didn't hear him say exactly who told him in that report,

01:21:10.040 but clearly the sheriff tried to tamp it down by saying those were for new hires.

01:21:16.160 But Brian's information goes back to earlier.

01:21:18.940 So it seems to me, you tell me, well,

01:21:20.620 but it seems like he's trying to hide the fact that he started to polygraph people,

01:21:25.600 which we were told earlier in this case is not a standard practice for the sheriff's office.

01:21:29.940 Yeah, it's an interesting one, Megan.

01:21:31.500 Thank you again for the invite on your show.

01:21:33.420 So the problem with polygraphs is they're not a precise science,

01:21:38.860 despite what one may have heard or seen certainly on TV and in the movies.

01:21:43.620 Where it is precise is if, for example, I said,

01:21:49.160 and I was doing a polygraph on you, Megan,

01:21:51.220 and said, did you go to Starbucks this morning?

01:21:54.380 You would come back with a typical yes or no.

01:21:57.480 Now, that would be very easy to determine.

01:21:59.640 If I said to you, because you'd had a bad morning,

01:22:02.780 Megan, did you go and get a coffee at Starbucks and intend to rob the place?

01:22:07.860 What it won't be able to pick up is intent.

01:22:09.960 So it's a sort of base level.

01:22:12.860 It's not the answer to everything.

01:22:15.220 But the fact that they're using it in the background is kind of interesting

01:22:18.800 in terms of determining certainly just some of the categoric facts

01:22:23.560 of what they may want to identify in terms of people's movements

01:22:27.060 or people's specific activities.

01:22:29.620 And remember, it has to be, it's based on specificity.

01:22:33.620 I'm trying to get my teeth in today.

01:22:35.520 That's a tough one.

01:22:36.840 Specificity.

01:22:37.460 I hear that.

01:22:38.340 I, you know, I'm of two minds because I do find it very telling.

01:22:43.520 Like whenever you listen to the dateline and they give the polygraph,

01:22:46.900 the murderer always fails it.

01:22:49.000 Like you rarely hear that he passed it when he was actually the murderer.

01:22:54.680 They usually fail.

01:22:56.140 So I think it's probably hard to beat them.

01:22:58.780 But I know they're unreliable to the point where they're not admissible

01:23:01.580 in virtually all courts, Jonathan.

01:23:04.060 So what do you make of it?

01:23:04.960 And I also do wonder, given how protective this sheriff suddenly is of the family,

01:23:09.740 whether he would even bother giving one to a family member

01:23:11.900 versus like a landscaper or a pool cleaner or a maid. 0.99

01:23:14.940 Well, I'll tell you, in this type of situation where polygraphs work very well

01:23:19.280 is in statement analysis.

01:23:21.020 So you got to remember that the polygrapher is a statement analysis expert.

01:23:26.000 It's not just a machine.

01:23:27.300 The machine really is a game that they use to test the response that a person has.

01:23:34.300 And that's where you can actually see deception.

01:23:37.600 You can't really see a lie.

01:23:39.800 It's not like, you know, it has some kind of special vision to look inside the body.

01:23:43.980 But what it does is it maps certain things that they say,

01:23:48.360 which you would be so surprised how people say things certain ways when they're lying

01:23:53.240 or when they're guilty.

01:23:55.220 So they pick up on that.

01:23:57.480 The machine picks up on things like sweat or spikes in the heart rate.

01:24:01.500 Very little.

01:24:02.240 It doesn't take much.

01:24:02.900 And so in this type of situation where they're bringing people in to quickly see

01:24:08.800 if they have done something or if they have an understanding or any knowledge of an incident

01:24:14.200 or an action, then they may be able to get in the totality of those things.

01:24:19.900 They may be able to get some hits on it.

01:24:22.180 Because if you do know how a polygraph works, it's easier to defeat it.

01:24:28.220 But if you don't know how the whole game works, it's very difficult.

01:24:31.740 And most people just don't know, especially when you're grabbing people very quickly in

01:24:36.100 a situation like this.

01:24:37.600 And yeah, there's no way the landscaper knows how to beat the polygraph.

01:24:43.980 There's just no way.

01:24:45.320 And also, as far as like, would this sheriff, would he use the polygraphs now on family members?

01:24:52.220 I mean, according to him, they're all cleared.

01:24:54.540 Now, we know that at the beginning, I went back and listened to the whole timeline.

01:24:59.180 And it's he was saying that, you know, nobody is ruled out.

01:25:04.640 That's in the beginning.

01:25:05.880 But this is that on Sunday.

01:25:07.560 This is the same sheriff, though, that I was just reading through the timeline right here on

01:25:11.220 February 2nd, which is a day and a half after Nancy went missing.

01:25:16.680 He says that they were going to give the investigators, they had stopped the investigation or shut it

01:25:22.540 down to give his team time to rest.

01:25:24.880 And then the very next statement, he says, we believe now after we proceeded or we processed

01:25:30.900 the crime scene that we do, in fact, have a crime.

01:25:34.660 This makes no this guy makes no sense.

01:25:36.860 So he could be using.

01:25:38.700 I know.

01:25:39.120 And that was his excuse, his excuse for calling off the search and rescue.

01:25:42.700 Yeah.

01:25:43.000 Which is so weird.

01:25:43.680 He's like, we have a crime.

01:25:45.200 So we're going to stop the search.

01:25:46.760 Well, what is what do you mean?

01:25:47.940 It's bizarre.

01:25:48.980 Don't we need to search either way?

01:25:51.300 Like, clearly, we have a missing old lady. 0.97

01:25:53.660 Why?

01:25:54.180 Why are we stopping the search?

01:25:55.400 That never made any sense.

01:25:56.500 Well, I, Megan, it's defeating me in terms of some of the logic that we're seeing in the

01:26:02.340 way that he's executing the management of this investigation.

01:26:05.180 And I think the stress is already beginning to show and the cracks are beginning to show.

01:26:10.940 You know, I was watching the show earlier.

01:26:12.760 How about all the crying?

01:26:13.780 Exactly.

01:26:14.340 Why is he crying all the time?

01:26:15.840 That is not going to instill any kind of confidence in the family or anyone else for

01:26:20.820 that matter.

01:26:21.320 And I would have no doubt, although I'll let Jonathan speak on behalf of the FBI, it wouldn't

01:26:26.220 give me any faith if I was in the investigative arm of the FBI committed to this particular

01:26:32.100 case in the integrity and the credibility of some of the actions that the sheriff is

01:26:38.680 actually undertaking.

01:26:39.720 But the fact that he opened, you know, from beyond the points that Jonathan's just made,

01:26:43.860 that the fact that he opened up the scene of the crime, the house didn't maintain and

01:26:49.520 hasn't maintained a cordon and the fact that he's discounted immediate family members when

01:26:54.500 there is no discernible or determinable reason or understanding as to why Nancy is not in

01:27:01.060 her house and she has disappeared.

01:27:02.460 And there are evidences and traces of blood that can be corresponding to her showing on

01:27:08.820 her doorstep.

01:27:09.800 It's the whole thing's just getting a bit bizarre.

01:27:11.840 I'm not a detective, but I have gleaned that you're British and I, I, I imagine that you

01:27:18.140 go by the stiff upper lip policy, which it means no crying unless it's like a severe,

01:27:23.460 severe need, like a, an immediate family member has died and you're at the funeral and a prayer

01:27:30.120 is being said.

01:27:30.660 Like, I don't, you're a Southwestern sheriff in Tucson, Arizona, near the border.

01:27:36.680 What are you doing crying all the time?

01:27:38.360 I didn't realize it had been happening in like every other interview.

01:27:41.000 And to me, it looks like he's intentionally calling up the tears, which I like, why Jonathan,

01:27:46.300 same thing.

01:27:46.720 Like you're in law enforcement.

01:27:47.700 Like you had a lifetime in it.

01:27:50.400 I just feel like it's a very, very limited window where cops can cry.

01:27:54.920 And it's usually over a deceased child or like something incontrovertibly, incredibly sad

01:28:01.320 that any human would, would not be able to stop themselves.

01:28:04.780 Yeah, but that's only on conclusion, Megan.

01:28:06.620 I mean, that's on conclusion of the actual case.

01:28:09.420 And it's the determination of a body is the determination of the crime.

01:28:14.380 And then that empathy can show through.

01:28:16.540 But as the old saying goes over here with the stiff upper, upper lip is there's a time

01:28:21.460 for tears.

01:28:22.180 And now is not that time.

01:28:24.160 If you, if you, if you want Jonathan, I feel like you, you never cried on the job in this

01:28:27.600 kind of scenario.

01:28:28.320 I can not, I can not see it only because of the bad management that I would sit and

01:28:32.980 weep often because of that.

01:28:35.320 But, but Megan, if you really want to see the reality of these tears from this sheriff,

01:28:41.960 go look at the interview that John Huddy from Newsmax did with him, where he gets enraged

01:28:46.640 because John asked him a simple question.

01:28:48.960 And I don't remember what the question was, but it wasn't a, it wasn't a pointing question.

01:28:53.720 He just was trying to get some facts and he just was enraged.

01:28:57.060 Was it John or Brian?

01:28:58.140 He also had an explosion with Brian.

01:28:59.700 I saw that as well.

01:29:00.440 So it, you know, who is he talking to when he has these, these tears or these red eyes?

01:29:05.960 It's he's talking to the liberal media.

01:29:08.020 I mean, I hate to bring it up like that, but that's, that's the absolute truth.

01:29:10.640 And he is a Democrat.

01:29:11.580 But it does seem like it's an affectation, Jonathan, doesn't it?

01:29:14.620 It doesn't, to me, it seems like he's forcing it.

01:29:17.540 Like whenever he gets to like, oh, geez, I really hope she's still alive.

01:29:21.020 To me, I feel like he's, he's calling up something that makes him sad.

01:29:24.300 Maybe it's the death of his brother recently and like forcing it to show us he's this like

01:29:28.760 empathetic man.

01:29:29.860 Like we've got a sheriff in command who's like feels our pain and maybe he knows his jurisdiction 0.99

01:29:35.040 well, and that's what these Democrats in Tucson want. 0.70

01:29:37.420 But I can tell you out here in the heartless media, it's definitely not what I want. 0.99

01:29:40.940 I want a tough as balls cop who's in there like kicking ass and solving crime. 0.98

01:29:45.040 I think he goes, it goes beyond even an act. 0.99

01:29:47.420 I think what I've seen from this type of personality and this, this liberal type of mentality is that

01:29:54.680 when they're talking to people that they identify with, they present their emotions.

01:30:00.120 When they talk to people that they don't identify with, the only emotion that present is anger.

01:30:04.880 That seems to be the case in most of these situations.

01:30:08.180 So, you know, I listen, as long as the investigators that are, that are on there doing the, doing

01:30:14.420 the real work are working hard and diligently doing what they need to do, I think we'll get

01:30:19.380 closer to resolving this eventually.

01:30:21.020 But I, I just have lost faith in, in law enforcement executives.

01:30:25.560 I mean, I lost faith in that a long time ago.

01:30:27.380 You're not it here.

01:30:28.580 Here's listen to this.

01:30:30.020 Here's the former Pima County chief deputy sheriff, Richard Carmona, who has spoken out

01:30:36.060 now on behalf of not just himself, but it sounds like some other law enforcement out

01:30:40.580 there in Pima County in SOT 53.

01:30:43.720 Many of my colleagues in law enforcement here had some concerns with the way the sheriff was

01:30:48.160 managing this and especially his communication or very poor communication to the public, making

01:30:53.900 statements that were, well, quite frankly, just awful and, and incorrect and taking actions

01:30:59.860 that were incorrect as well.

01:31:01.840 So a number of us decided we needed to say something about it because we did not want

01:31:06.140 it to reflect on our community and the sheriff's department, which has been an extraordinary law

01:31:12.280 enforcement agency that I worked with for three decades and had a national reputation.

01:31:17.100 But this aberrancy hopefully will go away and we'll get back to doing what we're supposed

01:31:20.860 to do.

01:31:21.340 But we're all, I speak for most law enforcement in Southern Arizona, that we are very unhappy

01:31:26.180 with the way this sheriff has conducted himself during this very important investigation.

01:31:31.120 In asking what my colleagues feel, all of us have been very embarrassed with the way

01:31:34.960 law enforcement has been represented here.

01:31:38.060 Let me tell you something, Will.

01:31:39.700 Yeah.

01:31:40.040 I think I know why the sheriff's doing one-on-one interviews with the media now instead of a presser.

01:31:44.340 Go on.

01:31:44.740 No FBI.

01:31:45.880 Ah.

01:31:46.240 You don't have to worry about the FBI.

01:31:48.060 It's just the sheriff's nano show.

01:31:49.940 It is the sheriff's show.

01:31:51.660 That is absolutely so obvious.

01:31:54.080 I mean, he, and the thing is, is it also is showing that he doesn't have the experience

01:31:58.680 to be able to manage a case like this.

01:32:00.680 I've managed some instance which have been significant and undeterminable in the first

01:32:05.260 instance.

01:32:05.920 And it takes some time to actually pick it to pieces to determine and find out and establish

01:32:11.180 what's actually happening or what has happened.

01:32:14.320 And these are marathons.

01:32:16.300 They're exhausting.

01:32:17.200 You work on and operate on Little's sleep.

01:32:20.280 And he fits the profile of the type of individual that, you know, comes in very robust in the

01:32:25.500 first instances, but cracks after a very short period of time.

01:32:29.440 They have little puff inside them and they are spanked within a very, very short period 0.88

01:32:34.320 of time.

01:32:35.260 This is endurance.

01:32:36.980 And it's also something that we were talking about last week, Megan, which was you keep

01:32:41.060 this information close.

01:32:42.320 And you're very cautious about what information you release because inevitably, and particularly

01:32:47.560 in these times of social media influencers, anything you say is going to be interpreted.

01:32:52.280 It's going to be scientifically torn apart and forensically torn apart by analysts like

01:32:58.620 ourselves, like Jonathan and me and your other panel members.

01:33:01.440 And we're going to interpret it based on our own experiences.

01:33:05.760 And to me, he's just showing that he is not strong enough.

01:33:09.200 If he lost his brother recently, that's awfully sad, but he should be taking compassionate leave

01:33:13.620 and move this entirely over to the FBI, second his team to them.

01:33:17.780 And they can crack on, do the actual work and ensure that the messaging is accurate, but

01:33:25.380 also limited.

01:33:27.140 That's very important.

01:33:29.140 And consistent, not like that.

01:33:31.800 No one's been ruled out.

01:33:32.940 Oh, all the family's been ruled out.

01:33:34.340 Wait, no, they haven't been ruled out.

01:33:35.460 I did pull the language.

01:33:36.640 They have not been identified as suspects, which is not the same as ruled out.

01:33:40.700 Like all over the board, the rest of us all have whiplash and trying to keep up.

01:33:43.880 Now that I'm updating the record, I want to update two other things I said on the show.

01:33:47.240 It's not the men's hockey team that has the final today at 115.

01:33:50.060 It's the women's American hockey team against the evil top hat neighbors, Canada.

01:33:55.140 And then the men's are still going into the semifinal.

01:33:57.560 And if they make it, then they'll play on Sunday.

01:33:59.120 I think my team told me.

01:34:00.160 And one other correction, courtesy of my husband, Doug, romancing the stone was Michael Douglas,

01:34:04.980 not Harrison Ford.

01:34:06.500 Okay, that's good.

01:34:07.280 I got all my movie trivias straightened out.

01:34:08.880 Excellent film.

01:34:09.360 Now back to the case.

01:34:10.920 I want to talk about the possibility of a second suspect.

01:34:14.560 I have a couple of things to show you here.

01:34:16.140 Um, we've talked before about the one image released by Kash Patel, where the perpetrator

01:34:21.660 on Nancy's doorstep isn't wearing his backpack or his little reflective, I don't know if they're

01:34:27.880 reflective bands or flashlights.

01:34:29.760 I've never figured that out on the backpack, but he definitely had that mouth light.

01:34:33.180 None of that is on him.

01:34:34.740 And his face mask looks like it's on backwards.

01:34:37.440 You can't see eyes or mouth in the one shot of the guy.

01:34:41.060 People are comparing that shot and its background where they're looking at the sky to the, what

01:34:49.960 we know is the actual abductor on the night in question, who does have all the gear on

01:34:54.540 and has the lights on his face.

01:34:56.020 And the night that Nancy was taken, it was apparently a full moon.

01:34:59.160 It was brighter out in the sky than it normally is.

01:35:01.980 They don't allow really a lot of lights on in Tucson.

01:35:04.060 And you can see that in this side-by-side that the, where we see the for sure abductor,

01:35:08.900 the guy who messed with the doorbell, the sky's a little lighter.

01:35:11.880 And then on the right, you see the guy without all the stuff on him.

01:35:15.300 And the sky is definitely darker.

01:35:17.060 And every time we've taken a close look at these photos, we see the difference.

01:35:20.640 The sky is lighter with backpack man and it's darker with non-backpack man.

01:35:25.080 And that has led to some people saying, maybe this was a dry run by the same guy, or maybe

01:35:31.520 this was a different guy.

01:35:33.440 Maybe this was an entirely different guy.

01:35:36.920 And here's the second piece on, I don't think it's a different guy because the outfit looks

01:35:42.100 the same to me, but okay, let's just keep an open mind.

01:35:44.900 Here's the second piece of that.

01:35:46.400 Um, this is again, thanks to somebody online who took a look at whether the, at the suspect,

01:35:54.000 uh, you know, getting the vegetation and messing with the ring doorbell and, and asked the

01:35:58.560 question, is it possible he's, he's actually about to knock that he, that he was about to

01:36:04.260 knock on that door with the theory that somebody might've been inside, like an accomplice might've

01:36:09.320 been inside the property.

01:36:10.500 Let's look at that VO it's V52.

01:36:13.560 And I know what they mean.

01:36:15.240 You see the guy with the backpack walking up.

01:36:17.020 It looks like he's about to knock right there.

01:36:18.760 And then instead he sort of turns and he gets, I mean, it does look like he's knocking on

01:36:22.840 the ring cam there, but what do you guys think about the possibility that a, there were two

01:36:29.100 of them or B that those two photos were not even taken on the same night.

01:36:34.940 And that the one photo of the darker background is this same perp doing recon in advance of the

01:36:41.200 big night.

01:36:41.580 Uh, I think when we look at that video, the, it depends on where that camera is located,

01:36:47.560 because if it's right above where the doorknob is, it almost looks like he's reaching to see

01:36:52.380 if the door is unlocked as he covers the camera.

01:36:55.100 That's, that's what that almost appears.

01:36:57.160 You can see the doorknob right there.

01:36:58.820 So he's, he's reaching for either the doorknob or, or that might be something that has to

01:37:05.540 do with the screen or a glass door or something, but you can see the knob right there.

01:37:09.540 I don't, I don't think that he was, um, uh, what was, what were you saying where he, he

01:37:14.460 puts it, he was getting ready to knock.

01:37:15.620 I don't, I don't see a knock movement.

01:37:18.040 I see a coverup of the, of the camera at that point.

01:37:20.240 And as far as those two pictures go, I see the same exact individual.

01:37:23.940 I just don't see, uh, the, uh, the light reflecting as brightly.

01:37:30.000 Um, there could have been something in the way of the camera at that point in time.

01:37:33.720 It looks like it's darker heat.

01:37:35.540 And so, you know, I, I, and I think if you enhance this in any way, you'd probably see

01:37:40.740 that there's eye holes.

01:37:41.700 I mean, you can kind of see them in that same jacket, same reflective strip that goes across,

01:37:46.180 just not reflecting.

01:37:47.300 So it depends on when they, they caught this, but I would say from stature and clothing and

01:37:53.700 the colors of the mask and the gloves, it looks like the same exact individual.

01:37:57.780 What do you think, Will?

01:38:00.120 Well, my, my gut is leaning on your, your second question, Megan, because I agree entirely with

01:38:05.040 Jonathan and his, his, uh, perspective on that.

01:38:07.860 My position on whether there was more than one person there on the night, um, would be

01:38:14.320 leaning more towards it being a single individual.

01:38:16.840 And the reason for that is based off the, one of the sheriff's spurious briefings that

01:38:22.140 in interviews that he gave, uh, when the question was asked, and I, I spoke with a panel

01:38:26.740 during one of the breaks last night about this, uh, he was asked about the retriever of the

01:38:32.020 cameras and the recovery of obviously the imagery from Google, from the Nest camera.

01:38:37.540 And what, uh, the, the journalist sadly missed, uh, the opportunity of is that the sheriff mentioned

01:38:43.700 cameras in the plural, uh, and the, uh, journalist didn't sadly press him to ask him how many extra

01:38:50.760 cameras there were.

01:38:52.000 And my hopes would be that if cash released one photograph, if these other cameras were

01:38:58.760 there, unless they had failed and there's no reason why the sheriff couldn't say, you

01:39:02.940 know, those cameras weren't operational and they were, they had failed for one reason or

01:39:06.860 another, uh, why there wouldn't have been footage captured from those, uh, of a second

01:39:11.940 individual who might've been coming into the rear of the property.

01:39:14.380 So at the moment, until some evidence is proven otherwise, uh, I think we're only looking at

01:39:20.920 one individual, but that's on the night of Nancy's disappearance.

01:39:25.240 This advanced reconnaissance, that's not untypical.

01:39:28.720 Uh, even burglars might come and do a, what we call a soft probe.

01:39:32.500 And that is just to test the house to see what security there might be, what levels of resistance

01:39:37.160 they're going to have.

01:39:37.860 The one thing we know with burglars, they're always looking for that path of police resistance.

01:39:41.420 So they want it to be easy and that's why I've discounted the fact that this is potentially

01:39:45.760 a burglary.

01:39:46.460 I think there is more to it.

01:39:47.920 And obviously the fact that Nancy's disappeared, uh, what that actually is, uh, again, we have

01:39:53.100 yet to find out.

01:39:54.600 Yeah, we don't know.

01:39:55.980 Updating the report on the Google searches yesterday, um, Google pushed back on the Fox

01:40:01.960 digital report somewhat.

01:40:04.340 And they say Google trends does not show actual volume of queries.

01:40:09.160 Just to update the audience yesterday on this show, we broke the news, uh, that Fox had

01:40:14.520 broken on its digital property that they had found Google trends had found somebody had

01:40:19.920 searched for Nancy Guthrie's address on Google and on certain dates preceding the kidnapping

01:40:26.720 abduction and had searched for Google images of her show.

01:40:31.320 And then someone may not have been the same.

01:40:33.620 Someone searched for Savannah Guthrie's salary. 1.00

01:40:37.460 And now Google, after the, you know, later in the afternoon, they pushed back with Fox

01:40:41.920 news digital saying we do not show actual volume of queries.

01:40:46.040 So the suggestion that an individual person did a given search is not something you can

01:40:50.040 claim, at least not based on our Google trends tool.

01:40:52.940 Very important.

01:40:54.280 They say for queries with very low or even no search volume at all, Google trends charts

01:41:00.440 will show statistical noise as a privacy protection measure because of this Google trends charts

01:41:07.880 are not definitive evidence of a specific search having occurred.

01:41:11.460 It sounds like they're trying to say they'll only register it if a few people searched for

01:41:16.800 it.

01:41:17.040 And if it's just like one person, you would see it as noise on their trend line.

01:41:23.880 And, but something showed up that Fox digital found it and they were clearly pointed to it.

01:41:30.080 Like they say, Fox news has learned and I don't know who pointed them to it.

01:41:34.460 So I'm not sure if it's as solid as they led us to believe it was yesterday.

01:41:38.940 Fox has changed its report to an internet user may have searched for Nancy Guthrie's home

01:41:44.240 address in the weeks prior to her abduction.

01:41:46.400 And there may have been activity for her address in the Catalina foothills, the hills, uh, before

01:41:52.640 she was abducted, which may have been seen again on January 11th.

01:41:59.180 And then they say, um, her salary, Savannah's salary may have been searched from Tucson sometime

01:42:05.380 just before the abduction.

01:42:06.940 So it's a little softer today.

01:42:10.260 We gotta, we gotta say goodbye to our Sirius XM.

01:42:12.500 Um, well, we gotta sign off for this hour cause I'm going to turn it over.

01:42:15.940 Um, I'm going to have to have a, take an ad and then, but we're going to come right back.

01:42:19.900 So I'm going to get you guys to weigh in on this right after the break.

01:42:23.000 And then I'm going to show you a segment from the today show, uh, in full that I want your

01:42:28.560 reaction to stand by.

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01:42:59.700 Back now with Will Geddes and Jonathan Gilliam.

01:43:06.660 All right, guys.

01:43:07.300 So what do you make on Google Trends, pushing back on the Fox digital reporting and saying,

01:43:13.320 you can't really know what you purported to know.

01:43:17.380 And if it were just like one person doing a search, it wouldn't register at all.

01:43:22.840 Will, thoughts?

01:43:23.840 Okay.

01:43:24.640 Would you like my cynical side, Megan?

01:43:27.740 My cynical answer.

01:43:28.760 My cynical answer.

01:43:29.040 Love the cynical side.

01:43:30.420 Well, my cynical side to this is Google is a incredibly capable organization that works

01:43:36.980 primarily and entirely on data.

01:43:40.300 And that's data collection and data transferal and distribution.

01:43:44.720 So in terms of things like Trends, my cynical side would be that they allegedly would have

01:43:50.060 the capability to capture the IP addresses of any kind of search in any particular kind

01:43:55.120 of area.

01:43:55.560 And we saw, certainly by some of the Snowden releases, certainly in terms of Prism and that

01:44:01.820 operation, which was capturing lots of people's private data without their knowledge, that allegedly

01:44:07.340 they may have the capability to be able to do so.

01:44:10.020 So I think Fox clawing back on their statement, yes, perfectly understandable.

01:44:15.140 And unless we knew exactly what the back end is to the Trends system, it's very difficult

01:44:19.820 to say either way whether they could or they couldn't.

01:44:22.620 But I think the issue for Google would be there is a certain amount that they need to keep

01:44:27.660 behind the curtain.

01:44:28.980 If I was a big data company like them, certainly I wouldn't necessarily be revealing all the

01:44:34.440 things that I could potentially do.

01:44:35.860 I totally like that answer.

01:44:38.780 And the reason I like it, Jonathan, is I worked at Fox for many years and I feel pretty confident

01:44:44.960 that they have no contacts at Google whatsoever.

01:44:48.280 Google is a left wing, woke Silicon Valley type company that is not Fox territory.

01:44:55.260 However, Fox does have very good connections with law enforcement at the federal and local

01:45:01.500 level, including the FBI, which sounds exactly like the kind of organization that might have

01:45:06.700 figured this out and knows that it happened and possibly leaked it to a friend at Fox Digital.

01:45:13.960 And then Google would have possibly freaked out and said, no, no, no, no, no, we don't do

01:45:18.680 that.

01:45:19.040 Right.

01:45:19.300 Like and the Fox softened it.

01:45:20.680 But my feeling is Fox probably got this from law enforcement, probably the FBI, and therefore

01:45:26.960 I continue to believe it.

01:45:28.620 I would say that they probably got it from from the NYPD if they got it from, you know,

01:45:33.420 NYPD has an incredible intelligence unit, but they also have a terrible habit of leaking

01:45:37.580 things to their buddies in media.

01:45:40.100 And so that like that, that could be where that came from, you know.

01:45:44.440 But when we look at again, you know, Megan, I always come on here and say the totality of

01:45:49.180 the circumstances when when I look at all the things that we do have that make sense.

01:45:53.120 And then I'll look at this one Google thing that they have, whatever you want to call

01:45:58.340 that.

01:45:58.500 I wouldn't call it evidence, but, you know, people look up other people that they see

01:46:03.200 on TV all the time and then they look up how much they make.

01:46:06.800 You know, they find out they live in Arizona.

01:46:09.080 Maybe they live in Arizona and they look that up.

01:46:11.400 I don't yeah, I don't put much stock in that.

01:46:14.020 I wouldn't discount it.

01:46:15.180 I mean, if I could dig something up and find an IP address, I would do that.

01:46:18.020 I mean, crazier things have led to solving a case.

01:46:21.000 So I wanted to say one thing.

01:46:23.700 I don't know, especially if it was the same person, if it was the same person who looked

01:46:26.720 up Savannah's salary right around when they looked up Nancy's home.

01:46:30.080 There's one thing that you we talked about or you played on the other show that I would

01:46:35.240 I would still think that law enforcement needs to look into some of this stuff was the the

01:46:39.980 excerpt from the book where she talks about the kidnapping game that she had with her cousin.

01:46:45.240 And I did a you can look on on X that segment went everywhere, by the way, everywhere.

01:46:51.220 You would not believe the number of people who have contacted me over that.

01:46:53.600 Everybody I listen to that, their face looks exactly like mine did when I was listening

01:46:57.440 to it.

01:46:57.700 I was shocked.

01:46:58.560 And so I did I've been talking about this, about the distance they could have traveled

01:47:03.220 before sun.

01:47:05.000 The sun came up if they were there until close to three o'clock in the morning.

01:47:08.520 And twilight is about 540.

01:47:10.420 So I did a post on X where I show a circle that encompasses anywhere you could go within

01:47:15.580 basically two hours, because I believe that's that is where they would at least have either

01:47:20.060 dropped her body if they had it or they would have stopped and waited until they could move 0.96

01:47:26.600 her comfortably.

01:47:28.580 And as the sun comes up, it's a terrible time to be moving somebody.

01:47:31.580 And that's about two hours.

01:47:33.020 And what's interesting is inside of that space, when I was re-listening to that last night,

01:47:39.260 that segment, she talks about how they would their cousin would put them in the car and then

01:47:45.520 they would go and stop somewhere between Tucson and Phoenix and call the mom.

01:47:50.180 And when I heard that, listening back to that, that's within that circle heading towards Phoenix.

01:47:57.620 And, you know, I mean, stranger things have happened where either somebody heard this or

01:48:02.460 there could be some family member who has some kind of weirdness about fixation on them and

01:48:07.320 they don't like them and they basically did the same thing.

01:48:11.020 I would start looking between Tucson and Phoenix.

01:48:13.800 These are the types of clues that you could go on.

01:48:16.620 If you're going to look at one search on Google, then you should be looking at this type of

01:48:20.880 stuff as well.

01:48:21.740 That is so coincidental that it's creepy.

01:48:24.880 And so it is.

01:48:27.220 So this is where social media influencers do a fantastic job, by the way, where media or

01:48:31.940 where cops say, yeah, social media influencers say, yeah, I'm going to look at that.

01:48:37.080 I don't have it in front of it, but we named the woman who found it, who who we got it

01:48:41.660 from when we first did it. And it was a social media person.

01:48:44.320 It's like the same person that all these inside addition and this local representative are saying,

01:48:48.880 get out and stop covering this case.

01:48:50.280 No, it's a no. Go ahead, Will.

01:48:51.900 No, I mean, I again, in addition to what Jonathan was saying, the one the two things I'm really

01:48:57.300 interested in is the retrieval of any footage in the neighborhood by neighboring residences of the

01:49:04.280 patterns of behavior, any particularly unusual vehicles that can't be attributed to any of

01:49:08.960 those residences or to a particular business or to a specific individual that could be

01:49:15.000 discounted. It's that pattern of life happening in the neighborhood, which I think in the

01:49:20.500 preceding weeks, which is really key, because anybody who's going to be carrying out a malicious

01:49:25.100 attack, murder, assassination or kidnapping, they're going to plan their operation remotely.

01:49:30.460 They will retrieve as much information through open source, you know, going onto Google, going

01:49:35.760 onto Google Earth, looking at various things, seeing if the fabric, the landscape has changed

01:49:40.640 right up until the very last minute for when they actually carry out their operation.

01:49:45.440 And the second thing is the cellular data and the cellular data from the local towers.

01:49:50.160 It will be mapping again and attributing some of the IMEIs to various residents and determining

01:49:57.220 what some of the foreign ones, the IMEIs to the residents. So the particular handsets to

01:50:02.900 what's an IMEI? IMEI. So that's the identifying number to each handset. So your cell phone will

01:50:10.300 have a totally different one to Jonathan's as it will to mine. But what it will do is it's your own

01:50:14.780 personal signature to your device. And it will be very easy and very simple to actually go through

01:50:21.540 that data very, very quickly to determine, okay, this IMEI is the immediate neighbor to the left

01:50:27.680 of Nancy. This IMEI is the neighbor to the immediate right, opposite, so on and so forth.

01:50:33.960 And what other IMEIs? And they can be whitelisted. And then you can narrow it down to any new IMEIs

01:50:40.920 that have come in. You can then attribute those to DoorDash guys, to delivery guys, to UPS, to all

01:50:45.940 those until you start narrowing the field to, is there one that keeps showing up? And it should

01:50:50.540 be done over a period of time. So, Will, I mean, here we are going on, you know, we're two and a

01:50:56.040 half going on three weeks since she was taken. Yeah. Wouldn't they have that data already? Does

01:51:00.860 this, should we be concluding now the guy did not have a phone on him? Well, I don't think he'd be

01:51:06.480 professional enough to go on this operation. Well, I mean, the way he was carrying his firearm,

01:51:10.660 I would say is indicative of his level of professionalism. Yes, he had a ski mask, but

01:51:15.560 hey, you know, who doesn't these days? I think they may very well have that data. But we did see,

01:51:22.140 Megan, you showed that footage, was it yesterday or the end of last week, where there was someone

01:51:27.660 up a ladder on a neighboring house retrieving one of the cameras, which was there. So that would tell

01:51:32.840 me that they haven't gathered all that data yet. But I would hope that the network's working with

01:51:37.700 them, certainly on the cellular data, and would be providing that pretty quickly and expediently.

01:51:42.800 They may be sitting on it whilst they're joining this jigsaw puzzle of evidence or intelligence

01:51:46.920 together. I would be, if I was, and they probably are, that's one of the first things the Bureau does

01:51:52.280 in most investigations. So I'm pretty sure that they've pulled that information. But I would be

01:51:58.340 going back and pulling that all the way back, you know, month or months before and looking at that

01:52:03.420 period in time. I mean, I didn't even know until this show that there was this other picture

01:52:07.260 that you guys showed. I didn't see any report of that for whatever reason. And so that shows you

01:52:13.760 that, and also the Brian Kohlberger case, you know, they went back and looked at how many times that

01:52:19.400 phone had pinged around where he did that killing prior to that. So they have to go and look at that

01:52:25.140 period in time, a month or as long as they can, and see if there's anybody pinging, because

01:52:31.380 he may not have had his phone on that time, but the other time he might've. And I think that's

01:52:35.900 very important. And you know, we also have to say it is possible they're doing that, you know,

01:52:40.020 as in Kohlberger, when they did look like Keystone cops and we were all like, oh my God, how can they

01:52:44.480 not have caught anybody? You know, crime that happened mid-November and they made the arrest

01:52:48.380 Christmas week. That's longer than we are right now. You know, it's about six weeks later he got

01:52:55.580 arrested and here we are two and a half weeks. And so they could be doing in this case what they did

01:53:00.660 in Kohlberger, which is maybe they do have a cell phone that they suspect and they're running the

01:53:05.840 numbers to see how many times that cell phone has come by Nancy's and who it might be associated with.

01:53:11.060 And maybe they are waiting on genetic genealogy on DNA that was found inside that. Like that's how

01:53:15.580 they got Kohlberger, you know, but in that case, and we don't know in this case, if they have, in that

01:53:20.660 case, they knew they had something belonging to the murderer in hand, that knife sheath. In Nancy's case,

01:53:27.920 we just don't know. They haven't said that. All they've said is that there's DNA inside the house

01:53:32.560 that doesn't match Nancy and doesn't match somebody they would have expected to find it from, like a

01:53:37.820 maid, et cetera, or Nancy's relatives. So it's, does that mean it's the abductor? No.

01:53:43.600 Yeah. Do you remember one of the things that we mentioned last week, Megan, which was about the 70%

01:53:47.940 rule? And this applies obviously in kidnappings and 70% of kidnappings, if this is indeed a kidnapping,

01:53:54.160 will, there will be someone close to the target, to the hostage, that will have some connectivity.

01:54:03.200 And that happens in the vast majority of cases. And having worked a number of these cases over the

01:54:07.720 last 30 years, I've found that always to prove out. So again, they may be holding back on giving

01:54:13.280 information. And to a certain extent, let's hope so. And it's not the sheriff just being incompetent

01:54:19.060 and spilling his guts every five minutes on contradictory statements. So let's hope that the

01:54:25.540 bureau are holding on to some of that data. They may not necessarily be sharing it with the sheriff.

01:54:30.700 I don't know. But if I was them, I wouldn't be until I've got a few more pieces in the puzzle figured

01:54:36.100 out. And I also think they reportedly want this case and they can't get it because it's up to the sheriff

01:54:41.060 to give it. Go ahead. I also think that they should look at, so one of these other pictures

01:54:45.740 and any videos they find, they, as they go back and they say, okay, this is the first time we see

01:54:50.500 this individual or the first time we see this, this phone ping at this period of time, I would be

01:54:55.720 looking at who was working in that, in that area at that time. Was anybody newly hired? She has a new

01:55:01.940 roof. We talked about, you know, is that when that occurred? Because that's how people, you can kind

01:55:06.860 of start to see a timeline on when somebody started to key in on this house. And that's why I'm still,

01:55:12.840 I'm just not really focused. Your previous guest you had on before us said a comment, and I love it.

01:55:20.100 Kidnappers don't want to take babies and old people because they're really hard to deal with.

01:55:25.600 Babies, I think they could do that and get away with it if it was a very rich family. I've worked a

01:55:29.580 case where somebody, usually it's parental kidnapping where they kidnap their own kid. But with an elderly

01:55:35.400 person who's injured, I just can't, I can't wrap my head around somebody injuring the person that is

01:55:43.120 84 years old in bad health that they're going to try to get money out of. I would see them tying her 1.00

01:55:49.040 up and carrying her out before I would see them injuring her. And that's why I'm just, I keep going

01:55:53.940 back to this burglary gone wrong. And if we see that this individual was casing the neighborhood,

01:55:59.600 that leads, I think, more credibility to that. And in which case, again, I would have expected him

01:56:07.240 because the way that Will was just talking about, kind of the stupidity that he showed 0.99

01:56:11.060 and the arrogance and the comfortableness, those people, when they get into a situation that they're 1.00

01:56:16.180 not familiar with, which is like, oops, I just shot this person or I just hurt them inside the house,

01:56:21.840 they will sit there and panic potentially for 40 minutes or more, uh, before they figure out a way

01:56:28.220 to, to, to move her. I just, and if that's the case, then I just think she's going to be within

01:56:34.560 probably a two hour window, uh, somewhere in that area. And so this is one thing I do want to point

01:56:39.540 out. It's a little off topic, but if anybody saw anything on that day, which I believe was

01:56:46.180 February, the morning of, of, of February 1st, the first, if they saw anything within two hours of

01:56:52.380 that home, that looked like somebody was burying something or they were, uh, moving suspiciously

01:56:57.520 within two hours of Tucson, they should report that because if law enforcement could go there

01:57:03.240 and find DNA of Nancy and DNA of anybody else, then I mean, it's, it's right there. And I think that,

01:57:10.120 um, there's a possibility that somebody saw something two hours away and never even thought about it.

01:57:15.640 And if I was long, that's the messages that this sheriff should be putting out is, uh, that people

01:57:21.040 should be looking that far out. All right. Last but not least, I wanted to touch on this. We've shown

01:57:26.900 now a piece of the today show segment featuring Nancy when Savannah went back home to Tucson for,

01:57:33.880 it was like a homecoming series that they did for all of their anchors. And, um, my executive, uh,

01:57:39.920 news producer, Canadian Debbie, we call her, she's been saying since the beginning, you've got to show

01:57:45.060 the whole thing, like show, show more because it's a very, like very telling, uh, piece of tape that

01:57:51.780 they ran. We've shown the only part that shows Nancy, but I'm going to show you guys what they

01:57:58.920 put on the air involving Savannah leading up to that moment when we included that moment in it.

01:58:03.140 So just look at this. This is a, people ask me where are you from? I'm always proud when I say

01:58:09.300 Tucson, Arizona. I grew up there, went to college there. My mom still lives there. And honestly,

01:58:15.020 a part of me has really never left. I can't believe it. I'm back. This is my alma mater,

01:58:20.320 the university of Arizona. It's just as beautiful and sunny as it ever was. But I want to meet some

01:58:25.300 real students of today. We're all reading magazines with Savannah on the cover. I know just where

01:58:34.420 to go. Not moving your eyes. Where is everybody? Welcome back home, Savannah. There's a marching band

01:58:43.300 suddenly. Dancing sorority members at her old sorority. El Charro is the oldest family-owned Mexican

01:59:00.820 restaurant in America and the perfect place to catch up with mine, my mom, Nancy, and sister Annie.

01:59:06.820 I come here every time I come home to Tucson. I have to come to El Charro. How long has El Charro

01:59:11.900 been here? 103 years. Cheers. Cheers. I love being home. Don't drink the whole thing. But mom, you guys

01:59:19.520 came here in the 70s and you'd been moving all around. What made you want to stay in Tucson and

01:59:24.540 at Roots? It's so wonderful. Just the air, the quality of life is played back and gentle. Yeah, I like to

01:59:32.700 watch the javelina eat my plants. But the best thing about Tucson is coming home and seeing you guys.

01:59:40.100 Should we raise a glass? Prickly pear margarita? Cheers. Cheers. Love you. Love you. From the love

01:59:46.740 of family to the familiar beauty of the scenery, I will always be a daughter of the desert.

01:59:55.160 Okay. So when you watch that, you see that play out, Jonathan, what jumps out at you? What do you think?

02:00:01.640 Well, first of all, that was in 2019. Is that correct? Is that? No, no. That aired in November

02:00:08.140 5th. November 5th. November 5th. Okay. So for some reason, again. Nancy was taken February 1st. Okay.

02:00:12.580 So the date in which that is kind of telling because that is recent, not far away. I think

02:00:20.240 there must have been something. When I looked that up, I saw a date of- Oh, they're always doing that.

02:00:24.480 Right. So they're always doing stuff. So that's, I mean, that would lead more to the possibility that

02:00:30.280 somebody latched onto that and that somebody may have seen that and then, and searched her. I would

02:00:35.900 like to know when that search was, or that they said that was right before she disappeared. I guess

02:00:42.520 what I'm saying is these timelines and when these things occurred- Well, listen, wait, let me just tell

02:00:47.060 you, the Google Trends thing and the Fox News report said that Savannah Guthrie's salary may 1.00

02:00:53.660 have been searched, now they changed it to may have been, from Tucson between December 13th and

02:00:58.440 December 20th. So it would have been a month after that.

02:01:01.620 So, you know, I don't know. I look at these different things that occurred and it's hard

02:01:06.300 to put them together, but I, it's always possible that somebody clicked and they saw that and

02:01:13.020 then they started planning from that point forward. So that could be why it took a while for them

02:01:16.800 to get to that point. But I tell you one thing I did notice is how her sister, again, I don't

02:01:22.000 want to bring anything up, and I know the sheriff doesn't like this, but her sister just kind

02:01:27.020 of seems like the sidebar of the conversation. And again, when you, when you have one sister

02:01:32.900 who's famous, one brother, who's a fighter pilot, and then you have a sister who is a

02:01:38.100 poet, who's married to a guy in a band. It's just, I don't know. When I look at the, all

02:01:42.980 these different- And they're, and they're doing the labor's

02:01:45.220 work on- And they're the ones who live the closest to

02:01:47.280 the mom. And maybe the, you know, the ones that aren't the closest, even though they live

02:01:51.180 in proximity. I don't know. I wouldn't rule them out. And those are things that pop out

02:01:55.980 to me quite a bit.

02:01:57.900 And by the way, so that there's the one search for Savannah Guthrie's salary dating between

02:02:02.420 December 13th and 20th. Then they say between November 30th and December 1st, a Google image

02:02:09.440 search for Nancy's address. So it's not long after that segment. It's not the day of the

02:02:15.300 segment, but the segment then went up on the Today Show's website and has lived there ever

02:02:20.020 since. What jumps out at you, Will, watching that?

02:02:22.220 Well, I think the dates are very important. If Google came back and said that the search

02:02:27.480 was actually foundationed or initiated out of Tucson, that would tell me that Google has

02:02:33.660 a great deal more information about the IP address than it does anything else.

02:02:38.280 And it does say, it does say, may have been searched from Tucson, Savannah Guthrie's salary

02:02:43.860 between December 13th and 20th.

02:02:45.340 Oh, and by the way, we also record these cameras that you don't know. You know, there's a lot

02:02:49.860 that Google's doing. I think it's being very clear here that we're able to see.

02:02:53.860 Yeah, through its Nest camera. That's exactly right. The guy in Ring, we played this yesterday.

02:02:57.860 He was like, our cameras don't do that. If you don't pay for this subscription plan,

02:03:01.100 we don't record. There's no extra tape lingering anywhere. But Nest, thankfully for us in this

02:03:06.040 case, but to the surprise of many Nest camera owners, is recording even when you don't think

02:03:11.860 it is. Now, that's an interesting, that's an interesting aspect, isn't it, Megan, that

02:03:16.240 they will actually be recording when you believe it's passive or it's not actually operating.

02:03:22.900 So again, having operated in some darker areas of the cyber world, let's just put it that way,

02:03:29.560 and I probably won't elaborate. Let's just say there's a lot of capability and technology

02:03:33.780 out there that the general public is not going to be aware of, of some of the abilities that some

02:03:39.180 of the big tech companies have. And I would say there was a bit of a reveal in the fact that the

02:03:44.440 search was initiated from the Tucson area, because that's a little too precise for my liking.

02:03:50.920 That's such a good point. Let me tell you what I noticed in that video, having now watched the

02:03:55.640 whole thing. It was done, you know, within two months of the time Nancy Guthrie was abducted,

02:04:01.140 went missing. She said, my mom still lives there at the beginning of the segment. So you didn't even

02:04:07.220 have to watch long to find out where her mom lives. She then said it again and interviewed her own mom, 0.71

02:04:13.680 like, what made you want to stay in Tucson all these years? So now again, we've reaffirmed that

02:04:17.480 the mom lives in Tucson. They show the name of the restaurant, El Churro, and she says, whenever I come

02:04:23.680 home, this is where we go. So now you're getting closer to knowing what neighborhood she's in,

02:04:27.520 because no 84-year-old travels 30 miles to go have her dinner. She said this is one of the family

02:04:33.300 favorite restaurants. And so now you're getting closer and closer to where Nancy is. And same

02:04:40.860 thing you just said, Jonathan, about the family dynamic. The sister, she's not even given a speaking

02:04:46.740 line. Like, I'm sure the sister said something. Like, but not only does she not get to speak at all,

02:04:52.880 not one word of hers is aired, but look at the setup piece. It is a marching band for her sister.

02:05:02.180 It is a hero's welcome at the sorority. It is Savannah's face all over the magazines as kids

02:05:10.080 on the campus are, you know, allegedly reading magazines about Savannah Guthrie. And she just

02:05:14.700 happens to walk by and they say, no, can't be.

02:05:17.800 The table where they were sitting.

02:05:18.820 It's like, she's all crammed up next to her mom and their sister's over on the other side eating

02:05:23.660 shrimp cocktail, not even looking.

02:05:26.980 Yes. She's running herd on the conversation. She's driving it because she's the anchor of the

02:05:32.440 show and of the segment. The sister barely has a bit part. I'm just saying it's like,

02:05:37.660 to me, it's relevant for a couple of reasons. What is the sister feeling? It's possible she's

02:05:42.920 feeling total pride and, you know, joy in her sister's success. It's also possible she wasn't

02:05:48.440 and that there's a level of envy since I guarantee you, she was doing the lion's share of all the

02:05:52.680 work with Nancy and Savannah wasn't, you know, Savannah may have been paying for some of those 0.99

02:05:56.580 caregivers, but there's, you know, it's different when you're the one who is there. You know, my

02:06:01.200 sister and I just went through this with, with my mom, my sister was, she passed, unfortunately,

02:06:05.560 a couple of years ago, but she died at 58. And, um, my sister was living with my mom. My sister was

02:06:12.060 definitely taking care of my mom physically way more than I was. I was paying for all my mom's 0.99

02:06:17.320 expenses, but you know, my sister was doing her part because an 80 some year old lady does need a 1.00

02:06:24.620 lot of help, a lot of physical help, and it can be difficult on the caregiving child. So there's that

02:06:29.980 dynamic. But the second thing is it's not a great idea. It is not a great idea with the general

02:06:36.760 population to parade around your hometown, tout what a star you are, how beloved you are, what a,

02:06:47.560 you know, what a celebrity you are as a news person. It can, it's in my view, that can only lead to bad

02:06:54.340 things. It, it can lead to envy by some at home toward you because there are a lot of people who

02:06:59.960 actually are not rooting for you when it see, when they see things like that, it can spark somebody's

02:07:05.080 idea. Unlike I'm going to, I'm going to end that. I want to disrupt that. I don't appreciate that

02:07:12.240 joyful. I'm a celebrity and everybody loves me situation. And I know just the way to bring an end

02:07:17.420 to it. Um, and it just reveals a lot of information about yourself and your family a lot. And I'll just

02:07:23.820 finish it with one other thing. When I was at Fox and I was first like coming up, you know,

02:07:28.980 I was making a name for myself and becoming better known. Bill O'Reilly pulled me aside and said,

02:07:35.440 don't reveal anything about yourself personally. And I was like, what do you mean? You know, like,

02:07:40.800 it's kind of natural. Sometimes you're talking and something comes up, you say something about your,

02:07:44.880 and he was like, never. He's like, if you watch me, I almost never do it because it's dangerous.

02:07:50.860 He was saying like, it can trigger people and there will be some nutcase out there who's writing

02:07:55.500 it all down, ready to use it against you at just the right time. And you know, O'Reilly and I don't

02:08:02.740 really get along now, but he, he, he's a smart guy and he gave me a lot of sage advice. And I feel

02:08:07.320 like that was, that was a piece of very good advice. Your thoughts on it, Will?

02:08:11.180 Solid, solid advice. I work, I work with a number of sort of Hollywood A-listers and various other

02:08:16.780 prominent people. And the one thing I always say to them is keep your personal life personal.

02:08:21.220 You need to live two lives, your celebrity life, which obviously has to be very clearly thought

02:08:25.900 about in terms of what you talk about, where you go for your meals, that sort of thing.

02:08:29.800 It can even be fabricated in terms of this is my favorite little restaurant that I always go to.

02:08:34.640 And you've probably never been there before. And then there's your personal life and keep that

02:08:38.960 information down because that can be used as leverage in various different shapes and forms.

02:08:43.620 So absolutely keep, keep the two lives entirely separate.

02:08:48.040 You know, if people, Megan, if people wanted to see the reality of, I mean, we see social media,

02:08:53.260 right? So we see how the white Karens in the world have like are destroying this country. You would 1.00

02:08:58.800 never have expected that, but that craziness didn't just pop up because of social media. I mean,

02:09:03.560 there's craziness in the world that you don't see if you don't put yourself in that environment.

02:09:07.600 And like Will, you know, I've been with celebrities and, uh, and it is amazing what

02:09:14.140 people will do. They'll, you'll be having, they'll be having dinner and we're sitting over

02:09:18.120 there and all of a sudden somebody gets up from a table and walks over and asks for an autograph

02:09:21.940 during dinner. Okay. That's one person. They go back, sit down and they open a floodgate of

02:09:26.100 crazies that now will come up and interrupt dinner for this individual, um, just to get an autograph

02:09:32.500 or a picture. It's so inappropriate that you sit back and you think, how is this, how are these

02:09:37.700 people comfortable doing this? Well, that's that it only gets worse from there. And so there's crazy

02:09:43.160 all in the world. And when you add celebrity into that, uh, then people can fixate and, and say and

02:09:50.500 do absolutely crazy things. I still think though, when we look at the totality of the circumstances

02:09:56.580 and we look at how this individual acted, now that we know that he was around that area before that

02:10:01.860 day. Um, I just, I keep thinking of somebody casing the environment, casing that area. And, uh, it,

02:10:09.520 the behavior is more like a criminal, like somebody who's going into, uh, to, um, burglarize a home

02:10:16.300 than somebody who is going in there to remove an individual. I just, most of the issues I've seen

02:10:23.180 when it comes to kidnapping, they are stalking somebody, not walking up and, and covertly looking

02:10:30.260 at the house with full mask and gloves and everything on, because that could lead to them

02:10:34.800 getting caught. And, uh, when you're trying to kidnap somebody, you want complete anonymity.

02:10:39.180 So I don't know there there's, there's just issues about this kidnapping versus burglary that

02:10:44.860 when you look at, at how many of these people, I mean, how many videos have come out with people

02:10:49.280 just walking up to people's doors? That is some of the creepiest stuff that's out there.

02:10:53.820 How many people are poking around neighborhoods at night? And, um, so, uh, again, the evidence

02:11:00.640 will lead where it needs to go. Let me tell you something right now. You come to my house,

02:11:04.060 it's going to be like starring in an MGM movie. You have no idea how many angles we will have you

02:11:11.020 on camera from. And, uh, and there are many other measures that we've taken beyond. So a face mask is

02:11:16.960 not going to help. Nothing's going to help. A yappy dog is the best security thing. There are many,

02:11:21.400 many layers of protection and you have to, you have to, what were you going to say?

02:11:25.040 Well, no, I was just going to say that, uh, no, I, I understand where, where, um, you're coming from.

02:11:30.160 I, I still believe this, this was an abduction or a kidnapping that it's gone wrong. I don't think

02:11:35.280 there were enough items of value that were removed from the property, even if the, the accident or

02:11:40.940 there was an accident and the death of Nancy occurred through the process. And then there's the removal

02:11:45.540 of the body. Um, ultimately I think for a burglar and I improved, I'm open to be proved wrong,

02:11:52.420 but, uh, it just doesn't fit the profile for me personally, anyway, of it being a burglary.

02:11:57.960 Well, and I have to say like on the burglary front,

02:12:00.740 most 84 year old ladies are not keeping a lot of expensive things in their homes. First of all, 1.00

02:12:08.140 they were all raised in a certain era where that wasn't done. You know, I mean, they,

02:12:11.580 I think they tend to be frugal. I know a lot of 84 year olds. I do through my mom.

02:12:14.880 Um, that's not where you go if you want really good loot. You know, I think you go more to like

02:12:20.380 the 40 year old couples or the 50 year olds couples who have made money and they haven't

02:12:25.360 given it all away. You know, they're not living more humbly now that they're elderly. Um, I think

02:12:30.540 most elderly people live somewhat humbly just because they don't want to deal with a bunch 1.00

02:12:33.860 of stuff. And most are thinking about end of life and they don't want to pass down a bunch of

02:12:37.000 hassles to their loved ones once they're gone. They've given it away or they've made sure it's not

02:12:42.580 cluttering, you know, that kind of thing. I'll say this in response. And first of all,

02:12:46.480 Will and I looking at this from different directions, that's okay. That's the way

02:12:49.700 investigations work. Yeah, no, I like it. It should be. We got to keep it all open.

02:12:52.900 And you got to continue to look. I mean, a really ferocious investigator says, no,

02:12:57.380 I think this is it. That's okay. As long as you're not letting that guy guide the entire

02:13:01.960 investigation. If he wants to look in that, that's good. If that individual wants,

02:13:05.060 if Will wants to look over there, that's great. You know, but Megan, I'll just say this about,

02:13:09.680 about what your comment was there about 84 year old women. When you are 84 and you as successful

02:13:16.100 as you are and the things you will have acquired, somebody looking at your home and identifying you

02:13:23.920 is going to see a home totally different than an 84 year old woman who, you know, retired when she 0.97

02:13:30.100 was 60 from teaching school. Right. So yes, you're correct about that 84 year old woman, but we're not 0.86

02:13:35.500 talking. Nancy Guthrie is not that 84 year old woman. She's wealthy and she lives in a wealthy 1.00

02:13:41.000 neighborhood and people in those wealthy neighborhoods do keep stuff in their homes.

02:13:45.740 And it could have been, you know, that's true. And we don't, we don't even know necessarily that

02:13:49.980 he knew an 84 year old lived inside. Like we don't, we actually don't know whether he knew who lived in

02:13:55.480 there. He might've thought it was somebody younger as a million dollar home. It's a nice neighborhood.

02:13:59.760 It's set back where you, I can get in and get out without getting seen by anybody. I've never asked,

02:14:05.260 in fact, this would be an interesting question to ask. Are the neighboring houses nicer? Like

02:14:10.840 there might be something to not to, that could be relevant. You know, like did, do the other

02:14:15.560 neighbors houses dwarf Nancy's or does hers, her house dwarf theirs or are they all pretty much the

02:14:21.200 same? Like hers is worth about a million. Was there one worth 5 million, two doors down? That might be

02:14:26.320 kind of relevant to this. I think another good question to ask Megan is also the, the current

02:14:32.580 status of that property, the condition of that property, you know, it was that property well

02:14:36.860 maintained and well kept, you know, the lawns were manicured and the, the, the bushes had been

02:14:41.740 trimmed. A new roof. That's very telling. Or a new roof, for example, good point. Or as an expensive

02:14:47.500 vehicle that's parked outside. Burglars will generally profile and even kidnappers will,

02:14:52.180 they will profile the property by the current state of it and, and what it presents. Does it

02:14:57.780 represent any visible value? Uh, and yes, for a, for an elderly lady, um, like Nancy, she may not 0.98

02:15:06.180 demonstrate, she may have a very typical standard vehicle. It may not be very expensive. She may not

02:15:11.740 have spent a lot of money on the property itself, but it's the condition of it. How is it being kept

02:15:16.220 in comparison to the other houses and other residences in the neighborhood? And, you know,

02:15:21.200 living in Arizona, I will tell you this, that the rich communities in Arizona are the darkest

02:15:27.300 communities because they, they, as you see, you can't quite, they, they kind of hide their house

02:15:32.900 with the shrubbery and things like that. So, um, it would be very easy to poke around in those areas.

02:15:38.520 And, you know, when he's standing out there looking around, um, he could be looking for floodlights.

02:15:43.500 He could be listening for dogs and looking for all the things that you have in your, in your house,

02:15:48.380 Megan. And so I think, uh, if he was going to, if he did key in on her, her personally, um, then

02:15:56.480 it would be easier in that neighborhood. Cause most, I've never been there, but most likely from what

02:16:01.540 I've seen in all the, the wealthier neighborhoods is it's, it's really dark because they just don't

02:16:06.800 want the streetlights. They want to live in the, in the desert. Dark, isolated, far back from the road.

02:16:13.500 Let me ask you guys as like security experts, do you leave all the lights on the outside of your

02:16:17.300 house on overnight or do you turn them off? I would generally suggest for a client that they

02:16:22.400 have a passive infrared movement detection light. So, you know, and do you want to set it up in

02:16:27.320 such a way that it's not going to be inconsiderate to neighbors and start shining into their bedroom

02:16:31.140 lights in the middle of the night. If a coyote or a, you know, in a, over here in the UK, a badger

02:16:35.600 walks into, into the field of view. Um, it really does depend. The one thing I would certainly say is

02:16:41.240 that any kind of intermittent light that can shine is always going to be good, um, as a deterrent,

02:16:47.860 uh, to an individual who's going to be wanting to use the concealment of darkness or bushes or

02:16:53.360 otherwise to try and get close to a property. You know, you know, one of the best things,

02:16:57.060 well, first of all, Belgian Malinois is great. I think that they're, they're better than any light,

02:17:01.240 but, um, you know, one of the, one of the simplest things that you can get is a driveway alarm,

02:17:07.740 which they cost like $30. You get a couple of units, you set them out there. They work within

02:17:11.980 usually 300 feet and you have, uh, a little alarm that's inside your, you put inside your home.

02:17:18.120 And it sounds like, you know, when you go into a store and it goes ding dong, when you walk in,

02:17:22.020 well, you can put those around your property and anybody that comes on there, they work,

02:17:26.480 they're waterproof. They work in the dark. Um, it's going to alert when somebody walks up your

02:17:30.800 driveway or your walkway and it doesn't record, but it notifies you if somebody is walking through that,

02:17:36.860 that, that, uh, location. So when I'm in my RV, I have those all around my RV. Anybody comes close

02:17:41.840 to my RV, it's going to ding. So, uh, I think these are, I like, we have an advertiser called

02:17:47.660 simply safe, simply with an eye and they, they have their company. Doesn't just like go off when

02:17:54.480 somebody breaches your home, they get you like outside as you're, as you're like trying to get in,

02:18:00.940 it goes off and somebody starts yelling at you like intruder. The police are on their way. I'm like,

02:18:06.840 this, this is the thing to do. Scare the bejesus out of them before they get in, you know, like 1.00

02:18:12.360 it's great once they're in to scare them, but like be much better to be like, we see you,

02:18:17.520 the cameras, the 911 is on its way. Like you're screwed. And then, you know, nine, 99% will run. 0.99

02:18:24.160 They, they don't, it's not worth it to them. You know, it's not like the made up stuff we see in

02:18:29.040 Mr. And Mrs. Smith where it's like, you're the target and I'm going to get you no matter what.

02:18:32.800 The only thing I would say is you've got to be able to calibrate these things accurately,

02:18:36.640 because if you do have small animals, whether it be someone's cat or their dog or whatever,

02:18:40.900 that you're not waking up the neighbors every morning at three o'clock, you know?

02:18:45.120 We, we actually have had that in the past. Like there, we've had like new guards who didn't

02:18:50.740 really know the rules. Thanks to us. It was our fault. And like our, our little one's friend would

02:18:56.240 get like dropped off and start walking up to the house and they're like, you know, this kid's like,

02:19:01.720 oh, you also have another great advantage over us over here. And that's the second amendment.

02:19:08.580 You're very fortunate to have that. Yeah. And that's a great thing about Arizona as well is, um.

02:19:14.440 Yeah. But by the way, we're sorry for your, your eighth in line over there and the news of his

02:19:19.760 arrest today, Will. We're not. I'm a royalist, Megan. I'm not. Oh, I mean, he's out. He's not

02:19:27.240 really the royal anymore, right? He's kind of just like the royal light now. He's kind of a royal

02:19:31.560 embarrassment, I think, more than anything else. Well, we could talk about that another time if

02:19:35.300 you wish. Hey, I will say this about that, though, Megan. It's good to see somebody arresting

02:19:40.540 somebody who's even close to power. I have a real problem with the way this never occurs. And so that's,

02:19:46.040 I think, is amazing. And I wish we would see more of that in this, in this country.

02:19:51.560 You know what? And now if the UK could only get going on all the Pakistani rape gangs, 1.00

02:19:56.500 that would be terrific. Don't even get me started on that, Megan. Don't even get me started on that 0.94

02:20:00.840 one. Andrew, right? Like, oh, okay. Now that we're in the mood to arrest,

02:20:04.520 I got a whole bunch of other people for you to look at. All right, guys. Thanks as always.

02:20:07.960 Thank you. You got it. Thank you, Megan. Thank you, Will.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - February 19, 2026

Ex-Prince Andrew ARRESTED, Anti-American Olympians, and Nancy Guthrie ＂Today＂ Segment, with Dan Wootton, Zack Peter, and More ｜ Ep. 1256

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