The Megyn Kelly Show - Expectation vs. Reality of Harris’ Campaign Strategy, Hurricane Drama Between Harris and DeSantis, with Glenn Greenwald ｜ Ep. 913

00:00:00.480 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:11.320 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:14.460 With just over three weeks to go, can you believe it?

00:00:17.960 Until Election Day, headline after headline.

00:00:21.040 Today, signaling doom and gloom for Team Harris-Waltz.

00:00:25.660 Don't be fooled, this race could still go either way.

00:00:29.080 Now, it's no time for either side to let up, but you can see what the Democrats are seeing on their internal polling based on the media reaction and what Kamala Harris is doing.

00:00:41.420 The sugar high of her coup and her Democratic National Convention momentum is over.

00:00:49.320 And just as your child will then crash, sticky-faced and drooling onto the bed after the fact, that's kind of the state of her campaign right now. 1.00

00:00:58.220 And those around her are nail-biting, big time. 0.57

00:01:02.860 And the reports are that Team Trump is not nail-biting.

00:01:05.060 They're actually feeling pretty good.

00:01:06.640 They, too, need to worry because their get-out-the-vote effort does not appear to be as strong as the Democrats, with all due respect to what's happening in Pennsylvania.

00:01:15.420 We interviewed the guy behind that effort the other day, and he seems amazing.

00:01:17.960 But they need seven of them, and it's reportedly but a shadow of what the Democrats have.

00:01:25.700 Theirs gotten to shape under Barack Obama and has never waned since.

00:01:31.100 They've lost since.

00:01:32.380 Obviously, Hillary came after Barack, but she was no Barack.

00:01:35.960 And here's what they're starting to realize.

00:01:37.840 Neither is Kamala.

00:01:39.860 She's no Barack Obama.

00:01:41.100 I mean, we all know that.

00:01:41.960 But they tried to make her into Barack Obama at that Democratic National Convention, and now the polls are showing them people aren't buying it.

00:01:51.100 Here's just a couple of the headlines.

00:01:52.440 The Hill, Democrats start to hit the panic button.

00:01:56.060 The Independent, panic sets in for Democrats as polls tighten and media interviews fall flat.

00:02:03.680 Fox News, Kamala Harris's joy is quietly turning to panic for Democrats.

00:02:08.540 You're sensing a theme here?

00:02:10.200 And over at CNN, Democrats grow anxious.

00:02:13.980 In a lengthy report, one source close to the campaign tells CNN, quote,

00:02:17.780 people are nervous.

00:02:19.040 A lot of us are having these flashbacks to 2016.

00:02:21.880 We know when it can go the wrong way.

00:02:24.640 Of course, this could all be a ploy by the left to rally the base,

00:02:28.800 but it comes as new polling does show cracks in the so-called blue wall for the Democrats.

00:02:34.480 You know, these states, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, sort of in the middle of the country,

00:02:40.500 that they consider blue wall, that they consider must win.

00:02:43.860 And we'll tell you what the latest polls are showing.

00:02:46.080 Additionally, there is the media rollout that has not gone well.

00:02:53.220 It's really been amazing.

00:02:54.480 As I said a week ago, I love her newfound confidence.

00:02:56.960 I hope she keeps it rolling.

00:02:58.420 I really, I do.

00:02:59.720 And she's going to.

00:03:00.560 She's going to do a town hall with Univision. 0.74

00:03:02.680 Uh, she's going to have another chance to say something, anything of substance this evening,

00:03:10.520 and we'll have full coverage of that for you tomorrow.

00:03:13.600 And then there's her response to the hurricanes,

00:03:16.880 including the one that's hammering Florida at this very moment.

00:03:21.060 Her own boss, AKA the current president, Joe Biden, you may have forgotten about him,

00:03:24.900 but he's still there.

00:03:25.860 Seems hell bent on undermining her at every turn when it comes to the federal response.

00:03:30.400 I'm sorry, but I need the popcorn.

00:03:33.020 It's just too delicious to watch his passive aggressiveness against her,

00:03:39.240 given what she did to him.

00:03:40.780 Who could blame him?

00:03:42.320 And it has sparked a rather interesting alliance,

00:03:45.360 it would appear, between Mr. Biden and Florida Governor Ron DeSantis.

00:03:50.560 We'll get to it all with my guest today, Glenn Greenwald.

00:03:53.560 He's a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and host of Rumble's System Update.

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00:04:54.580 Glenn, welcome back.

00:04:55.520 Great to see you.

00:04:57.060 Always great to see you, Megan.

00:04:59.100 So are you shocked that her media tour is not, at least so far,

00:05:03.900 moving the numbers or quelling the panic on Team Blue?

00:05:09.900 I'm the opposite of shocked.

00:05:11.720 And sometimes I think it's amazing how quickly and easily we forget even short-term memory.

00:05:16.960 Let's remember that the last time she ran for president, 1.00

00:05:19.340 when she actually had to campaign and debate and get votes and all that.

00:05:22.400 Unlike this time, her campaign was such a disaster, such a debacle,

00:05:26.240 despite every single institutional advantage.

00:05:28.620 All that money from California, the stature of being a senator from California,

00:05:33.400 the readiness of the media to heap adoration on her for potentially being the first ever woman of

00:05:38.640 color to become president, et cetera, et cetera.

00:05:40.660 Her campaign was such a disaster that she had to pull out and close her campaign 1.00

00:05:45.140 before the first vote was even counted.

00:05:47.700 Usually people say the campaign's not going well.

00:05:49.480 Let's try and play our hand in Iowa and New Hampshire and then see.

00:05:52.600 There was no point in doing that because she was such an awful politician. 1.00

00:05:56.080 And then also the entire three and a half years that she was vice president,

00:05:59.880 she was a complete national joke, an international joke, 1.00

00:06:02.940 because every time she opened up her mouth, 0.52

00:06:04.980 it turned into something incredibly embarrassing and cringeworthy.

00:06:08.660 And I think a lot of us did forget that in what was some very well-engineered theater

00:06:13.400 around the supposed excitement that people had when she emerged,

00:06:17.880 got imposed by the Democratic Party elite on the party and in the country. 0.99

00:06:21.940 And people kind of forgot just how inept and incompetent she is as a politician. 1.00

00:06:27.280 Their obvious strategy was based on that. 0.99

00:06:29.480 Let's keep her away from the media. 1.00

00:06:31.560 Let's make sure she has very, very few unscripted moments. 0.98

00:06:35.180 And the problem for them is that that wasn't working.

00:06:37.440 They had to roll the dice.

00:06:38.280 They had to send her out on her own.

00:06:39.800 And even in the most loving, embracing, gentle arms that they sent her into,

00:06:45.760 the view, Howard Stern, Stephen Colbert, doesn't get any more worshipful than that.

00:06:50.160 She completely fell on her face, even in front of them. 0.98

00:06:53.180 And I think people are starting to realize and remember who she really is.

00:06:56.980 Yes, that one, that one exchange with Sonny Hostin,

00:07:00.800 who's been advocating for Kamala Harris since the conversation first turned to,

00:07:06.200 could we sub out Joe Biden?

00:07:08.600 What would we do?

00:07:09.720 Would we have an open primary?

00:07:11.140 Could we get Michelle Obama instead? 0.86

00:07:13.480 And she kept saying, we're not interchangeable as black women. 1.00

00:07:17.300 It has to be Kamala.

00:07:18.600 She can do it.

00:07:19.180 She's being, she loves Kamala Harris.

00:07:21.600 And it was obviously not an attempt to trip up Kamala Harris.

00:07:25.260 And yet tripped up she got where Kamala Harris answered her question about how she's different 0.98

00:07:31.420 from Joe Biden, whether she would have done anything differently.

00:07:34.320 And as predicted, you'll see the version of it here that Trump made into an ad

00:07:39.740 literally within 60 minutes of Kamala saying it.

00:07:43.120 And now there are reports today that you can expect to see this ad everywhere from now to

00:07:49.140 election day.

00:07:49.700 Well, if anything, would you have done something differently than President Biden during the

00:07:58.180 past four years?

00:08:00.340 There is not a thing that comes to mind in terms of, and I've been a part of most of

00:08:06.280 the decisions that have had impact.

00:08:08.520 I'm Donald J. Trump and I approve this message.

00:08:10.840 And Glenn, you know, it's, it's interesting because I'm sure they thought going to friendly

00:08:17.580 outlets would protect her, but sometimes being in a friendly outlet can lead to your guard

00:08:22.580 being down and you don't realize, and I don't think Sonny Hostin realized either when you're

00:08:27.900 in danger.

00:08:30.120 I know that Megan, all of that is completely true.

00:08:32.860 And I agree with all of that.

00:08:34.000 Nonetheless, I think it's worth noting how unbelievable and remarkable and confounding

00:08:40.500 it is that she cannot answer that.

00:08:43.320 It was like she, it was like that question never occurred to her before.

00:08:47.060 She didn't say, no, I think Biden did a great job.

00:08:49.740 She didn't say yet.

00:08:50.720 She said, you know what?

00:08:52.220 Nothing that comes to mind as though that question had never occurred to her to even

00:08:55.720 think about it.

00:08:56.400 Maybe I'll get back to you.

00:08:57.320 I can think of it later.

00:08:58.340 When you're running for president and you're the vice president of a very unpopular president

00:09:04.020 on his road to losing, when the country believes that everything is on the wrong track,

00:09:08.180 that all they want is change, the very first question that you have to be prepared to answer

00:09:13.940 in her position is, how would you have been different than Joe Biden?

00:09:17.880 Now, obviously, she can't just throw him under the bus and say like, oh, everything he did

00:09:21.220 was terrible.

00:09:21.820 He was a terrible president. 0.97

00:09:22.920 I intend to.

00:09:23.640 But there's so many diplomatic ways that you answer that.

00:09:25.940 You know, 2020 is different than 2024.

00:09:27.720 We have new challenges.

00:09:28.800 We can do more of this, less of this.

00:09:30.440 I think what happened is, this is what I really believe, is that Democratic elites really are

00:09:37.120 so arrogant in terms of how non-Democratic voters think, how they process information.

00:09:44.060 They really believe that they could win the election by just avoiding substance altogether.

00:09:48.640 That was obviously their plan from the very beginning.

00:09:51.200 And I don't think they ever really prepared her.

00:09:53.880 And she's not prepared to talk about in any way what type of president she would be, because

00:09:58.700 that never has been the strategy on which they were relying to win the race.

00:10:03.320 It was all about these vibes and I'm younger and I'm different.

00:10:06.020 I'm not these two old 80-year-old white guys that everyone's sick of. 0.50

00:10:09.820 That doesn't get that gets you a little bit.

00:10:11.700 That gets you a boost in the polls, like you said, that sugar high. 0.99

00:10:14.520 But eventually, Americans, as dumb as Democrats think they are, are going to want to know, 0.98

00:10:18.720 like, who is this person that we might make president? 0.99

00:10:21.380 What do what does she believe?

00:10:22.940 Where do we place her on the spectrum? 0.96

00:10:24.820 What kinds of policies is she going to pursue? 1.00

00:10:26.720 How is that going to affect our lives?

00:10:28.140 And her inability and refusal to answer that, that comes from this condescension, I think

00:10:33.280 is what's really crippling her.

00:10:34.680 And you saw that so clearly in all of these interviews where she got asked that question,

00:10:38.920 she couldn't answer it.

00:10:39.740 And now when she's like, I don't know, I never thought about that before.

00:10:43.440 I'll get back to you right now.

00:10:44.520 Nothing's coming to mind.

00:10:45.820 That is stunning.

00:10:48.580 It's a nightmare for her team.

00:10:50.480 I almost feel bad for them.

00:10:51.760 So those answers, her general inaptitude as a politician are what's keeping these numbers 0.98

00:11:00.480 so low, among other things.

00:11:02.080 I mean, the Biden policies were not a success and she is associated with them.

00:11:06.200 And it's leading to some open panic and it's leading to some sound analysis of some bad

00:11:12.360 numbers.

00:11:12.720 I'm going to give you both.

00:11:13.900 Here's James Carville with the on-camera equivalent of those headlines I just read you in the

00:11:19.140 intro watch.

00:11:20.420 Only thing I feel is the election's coming November 5th and I'm scared to death and I'll

00:11:25.520 get a time to, you know, obviously-

00:11:27.080 You're not in a reflective mood.

00:11:28.300 Not in a particular reflective mood right now.

00:11:30.340 I'm very, very concerned.

00:11:32.100 What does Harris need to do with the month left?

00:11:34.580 All right, the seven months left.

00:11:35.720 Let's start with that 27, 26 days.

00:11:38.800 Today is gone.

00:11:39.720 You're going to lose fourth of the hurricane.

00:11:41.500 They're doing all this and sitting down with 60 minutes and sitting down with Kobe Harris.

00:11:45.160 I have a press conference.

00:11:46.320 I get to ask the question.

00:11:47.300 You'd like to see her do more press conferences? 0.96

00:11:49.140 I'd like her to put more things in place and put President Obama out to make that. 0.99

00:11:53.720 He's only got a 92% approval with Democrats.

00:11:56.540 I would have President Clinton talking, going on at these local TV stations, talking about

00:12:01.720 how tariffs are going to destroy the economy of Wisconsin or Michigan or anywhere else because

00:12:06.880 they have never worked.

00:12:08.560 But we're just letting that go.

00:12:12.780 So is he wrong?

00:12:13.920 I mean, you have to give credit to the Clinton people like James Carville and those others

00:12:20.960 because they ran for president at a time when the Democrats were a disaster.

00:12:25.660 They couldn't win an election.

00:12:27.060 Going back to George McGovern, who got crushed by Nixon.

00:12:29.480 The only one they won was Jimmy Carter because of post-Watergate anger at the Republicans.

00:12:32.900 And then it was Reagan twice.

00:12:34.520 George W. Bush the first time.

00:12:35.860 And they did do a very good job of reinventing the party by focusing it not on these issues

00:12:40.720 that alienate working class people or other people, but by realizing, as that old saying 1.00

00:12:47.280 goes, that they adopted, it's the economy stupid. 0.98

00:12:49.660 Like, all people care about is how are you going to materially improve our lives, which 0.99

00:12:53.260 is what voters should care about.

00:12:55.440 Think about this even as two people, you and I, who cover politics every single day.

00:13:00.780 What is a Kamala Harris policy on which she's running? 1.00

00:13:05.100 Basically, what we know about her are two things.

00:13:07.260 We know about what she thinks about abortion, which is she's in favor of it.

00:13:11.100 And we know what she thinks about LGBT.

00:13:13.380 She loves LGBTs very deeply.

00:13:15.420 She loves us so much.

00:13:16.540 She feels such a...

00:13:17.460 Other than that, what are her policies?

00:13:20.640 The only ones that she's identified, she literally stole from Trump.

00:13:23.940 Like, hey, let's not tax the tips of service workers.

00:13:27.660 And every other policy that we've heard from basically is nothing other than everything

00:13:33.960 I said I believed in in 2019, single-payer health care, ban on fracking, mandatory buy

00:13:38.740 backup guns, are things I no longer now believe with no explanation.

00:13:42.220 So if you're going to present a candidate who has no ideas, no ideology, no platform to even

00:13:50.500 try and convince people that you're going to improve their lives, let alone to persuade

00:13:54.700 them that you're going to, how do you expect to win an election?

00:13:58.400 I think what James Carville is saying there is true, which is she should stop talking about

00:14:02.660 all of these kind of cultural issues, these ancillary issues, relying on these very vague

00:14:07.740 pronouncements about who she is and isn't, and just go to those swing states and talk about

00:14:13.060 the effects of the election on those people's economic lives, because that's ultimately what 0.99

00:14:18.540 people vote on, despite how dumb Democrats think they are. 0.89

00:14:22.460 She's outlined a few economic proposals, and to their credit, it's come up in a couple 0.98

00:14:27.140 of interviews, the Stephanie Rule one and the 60 Minutes one.

00:14:31.740 How are you going to pay for it?

00:14:32.780 You can't give all these goodies to the American public without paying for them.

00:14:37.440 That's just not the way the system works.

00:14:38.740 You don't control money.

00:14:40.040 You don't control tax policy.

00:14:41.300 As president, you need to work with Congress.

00:14:43.100 And both times she's been caught flat-footed, she has no plan for if she can't get Congress

00:14:47.640 to go along with these pie-in-the-sky tax proposals, and she is not likely to win both

00:14:52.580 houses of Congress, if you look at the latest numbers.

00:14:55.440 And by the way, Americans like to divide a government in general, so I would predict that

00:14:58.800 if she wins the White House, there'd be a higher likelihood that there'd be split tickets 1.00

00:15:02.280 where people would say, well, we're not going to give Democrats full control. 0.96

00:15:05.080 She has no plan.

00:15:06.020 If she doesn't get full control of Congress, she has no tax plan. 1.00

00:15:08.800 She has no economic plan at all that's been made clear. 0.81

00:15:13.360 And even the ones she's proposing help allegedly very small groups of people, like her $25,000

00:15:19.180 tax help for first-time homebuyers.

00:15:20.920 Okay, if you're a first-time homebuyer, maybe, but probably not, because as Trump's been pointing

00:15:24.680 out, it's just going to drive the price of housing up for everyone in the market, including

00:15:29.220 the first-time homebuyers.

00:15:30.400 You know, I mean, that's how we got into the college tuition mess.

00:15:33.080 Every time they kept increasing the amount of loans you could get from the federal government,

00:15:36.580 the college tuition just went up.

00:15:37.820 That amount of loans.

00:15:39.860 And so those of us who used loans and those of us who didn't all had to pay a higher bill.

00:15:43.520 Okay, I want to get to Mark Halpern, who has been doing a great job over on his YouTube

00:15:49.360 show, Two Way.

00:15:51.360 And he gets on Democrats and Republicans, and he has sources in both camps.

00:15:54.860 So he has interesting information about things like inside polling, not outside polling like

00:16:01.180 we see, like New York Times, Siena, but the campaign's polls that drive decision-making.

00:16:07.160 And this is what he reported, like, it was either yesterday morning or this morning.

00:16:12.640 Take a listen to that one.

00:16:14.360 They want to be ahead now.

00:16:16.540 And they know what their polls say.

00:16:19.860 And their polls are not as good as the public polls for her.

00:16:22.700 I'm hearing from Democrats who know her well, who are saying she needs to be a warrior in

00:16:29.100 these last few months.

00:16:30.200 She needs to up her game.

00:16:32.120 She needs to feel it.

00:16:33.320 She needs to close strong. 0.85

00:16:34.740 And they look at her performance on television yesterday, where it appears, as always, she's

00:16:39.940 trying to not make mistakes, get through the interview without making mistakes, rather

00:16:44.300 than really transforming the race and demonstrating to the undecided voters who we've talked to on

00:16:49.820 this program to be a good steward of a good economy, fierce commander-in-chief, ready for

00:16:57.500 the job.

00:16:57.880 So that's what they're worried about.

00:17:01.420 They're worried that they're not in a good place to win 270 electoral votes.

00:17:05.960 Yeah.

00:17:06.820 And honestly, Glenn, at this point, they have some cause to worry, even with the public

00:17:14.000 polling.

00:17:14.680 The Quinnipiac battleground polls that just came out amongst likely voters are showing

00:17:20.920 Trump is up in Michigan by three points.

00:17:26.580 Margin of error is 3.1.

00:17:28.600 So it could be, you know, within that margin.

00:17:30.860 It is within the margin of error.

00:17:32.700 Trump is up in Wisconsin, up by two, 48 to 46.

00:17:37.460 Margin of error there, three.

00:17:38.780 So it could be, but it hasn't been this way before.

00:17:41.820 It's been Harris up in both of these states.

00:17:44.200 And then in Pennsylvania, this poll is showing Harris up over Trump by three percentage points.

00:17:50.680 Margin of error there, 2.6.

00:17:53.040 But if you listen to the full Halperin commentary, he says there isn't a person around Kamala

00:17:59.100 Harris, including those who are doing the polling for her, who believe she's up three

00:18:02.840 in Pennsylvania.

00:18:03.380 Here's honestly what I think the big problem is for the Democrats and for Kamala Harris in 0.98

00:18:09.900 particular, which is what we've seen, not just in the United States, but throughout the

00:18:14.560 Democratic world, is what people hate the most is establishment politics, establishment

00:18:19.180 politicians, and people who lack any authenticity, who just sort of opportunistically say whatever

00:18:24.120 they need to say at the moment, whether they believe it or not, in order to advance their

00:18:27.900 own careerist goals.

00:18:28.840 I think what Donald Trump's political magic has always been, despite all the things he

00:18:34.000 said that many, many people, including his supporters, kind of cringe at or worse, is

00:18:39.300 that he always seems like whatever's in his brain is what comes out of his mouth.

00:18:43.300 There's not that many opportunities where he's saying something manipulatively.

00:18:46.960 Every politician manipulates.

00:18:48.420 The best ones make it so that you don't realize they're doing it.

00:18:51.320 But Trump in general, everyone knows who he is.

00:18:53.940 Like it or not, he's who he is and he doesn't pretend otherwise.

00:18:56.780 Think about what Kamala Harris is trying to do.

00:18:59.160 For five, six, seven, eight years now, the Democrats have been saying that Republican

00:19:03.540 attempts to close the border or to limit the border are Nazi-like, are white supremacists,

00:19:09.520 are about instituting a racist regime in the United States to protect white people, that 0.85

00:19:13.900 it's one of the cruelest things ever.

00:19:15.820 And now suddenly, two months before the election, Kamala Harris has to go around pretending that 0.73

00:19:20.380 she's tougher on the border than Donald Trump. 0.99

00:19:22.440 And now she has to go to Univision with a Latino audience and try and convince them that although 0.95

00:19:27.960 she's still pro-immigrant, she's somehow tough on the border. 0.98

00:19:31.840 You look also at this ongoing war in Gaza and now spreading to Lebanon.

00:19:36.440 The Democrats are perceived by their left-wing base as being fully supportive of Israel.

00:19:41.480 And in places like Michigan, where that really matters, that is creating a lot of depressed

00:19:46.480 enthusiasm or people not willing to vote for her.

00:19:48.980 And she's trying to be all things to all people.

00:19:51.640 And when you try and be all things to all people, you end up being nothing to anybody,

00:19:55.340 which I think is exactly what she's doing.

00:19:57.200 Now, I'm not a polling expert, but you can just see, just checking every day, how that

00:20:02.400 bounce that she got is basically gone.

00:20:04.960 It is eroding.

00:20:05.840 I don't know who the winner is going to be.

00:20:07.120 It's based on so many complex factors, including get out the vote, as you mentioned, and other

00:20:10.980 things.

00:20:11.440 But I think the big problem is that Kamala Harris stands for nothing. 1.00

00:20:15.280 And nobody likes a politician who doesn't have an authentic belief in their body that

00:20:20.880 they're willing to defend.

00:20:22.840 She tries a different message this day and that.

00:20:26.160 Mostly, she's about our hopes and ambitions and dreams.

00:20:29.900 I mean, that's her normal nonsense.

00:20:33.160 She loves Americans because we dream.

00:20:35.940 We have big aspirate.

00:20:37.120 I'm like every other country where nobody dreams about anything.

00:20:39.360 We dream and she loves that about us.

00:20:41.900 We're the only ones with work ethic.

00:20:44.520 Okay.

00:20:44.860 So she says that.

00:20:46.000 So she tried something new out on Colbert the other night, which was truly like, what?

00:20:52.620 Right?

00:20:53.100 Wasn't it Colbert?

00:20:53.940 I'm trying to remember.

00:20:55.020 Yeah, it was right.

00:20:55.780 When she talked about the Trump turning down 60 minutes.

00:21:00.240 Oh no.

00:21:00.540 Is this Stern?

00:21:01.780 I'm looking at my, my SOT list.

00:21:03.680 All right.

00:21:03.840 She said something similar on Colbert, but listen to her on strength versus weakness being

00:21:09.140 her new theme.

00:21:09.860 And she's apparently the strong one, SOT four.

00:21:12.980 I thought what was so amazing about 60 minutes is the fact that Trump turned it down.

00:21:19.000 Yeah.

00:21:19.620 I mean, it just says so much.

00:21:22.420 He didn't want to be fact check.

00:21:24.040 This is maddening.

00:21:25.120 This is insanity.

00:21:26.340 What do you mean you don't want to be fact check?

00:21:28.420 I think that, you know, Howard, people ask me, like, what do you think is going on?

00:21:35.500 And what is the tension here?

00:21:37.440 What's at stake?

00:21:38.340 And there are many things and I can be much more articulate than what I'm going to say.

00:21:42.380 But ultimately, I do believe that this is an election that is about strength versus weakness.

00:21:50.840 Yeah.

00:21:51.320 And weakness as projected by someone who puts himself in front of the American people and

00:22:03.380 in defense of their needs, their dreams, their desires.

00:22:05.800 Oh, God.

00:22:07.600 She managed to weave back to it her at the end there. 0.93

00:22:10.840 But what is she talking about?

00:22:13.260 I guess she just went for the exact thing that is Trump's best asset and her worst asset and

00:22:20.620 tried to reverse them and say she had the good one and he has the bad one because he didn't want to do 60 minutes after the Leslie Stahl debacle and didn't want to be fact checked after the ABC and CBS News debacles on their fact checking,

00:22:38.560 quoting unquote, at these debates we've seen like what I don't even know what she's trying to do there.

00:22:44.240 Well, this is such a perfect example, I think, of her ineptitude.

00:22:49.400 So there's a lot of things you can credibly accuse Trump of that will resonate with people in terms of his character flaws.

00:22:55.760 Everybody knows what they are.

00:22:56.880 We've all seen them.

00:22:57.680 We've seen them for many years.

00:22:58.780 There's the accusation that he's unwilling to appear in media and to take questions.

00:23:05.640 I don't remember a politician for as long as I've lived who loves to be in media, who loves to be in interviews more than Trump.

00:23:13.000 He will any day call a press conference and stand there for an hour and a half and take questions from the media.

00:23:18.820 She's the one.

00:23:19.840 He's done three in the last month.

00:23:22.400 Exactly.

00:23:23.520 So this is what I'm saying.

00:23:25.800 I think it's a good strategy to try and make sure that people understand that she's strong.

00:23:32.580 She's willing to use force, I think, particularly for a female candidate, one's vying to be the first female president. 1.00

00:23:37.960 That is something that is kind of a subconscious bias that she probably has to overcome.

00:23:42.360 And I think she should be doing that.

00:23:44.500 But to try and do it by saying Trump is afraid of the media, that Trump's unwilling to take questions from the media.

00:23:50.960 We've seen Trump on every single network, on Elgo, anywhere that you ask him.

00:23:55.460 He loves cameras.

00:23:56.360 He loves journalists asking him questions and talking about him.

00:23:59.380 And it's just that's what it seems like.

00:24:01.740 It just seems like this kind of like what you were saying.

00:24:04.220 One day she tries something.

00:24:05.420 The next day she tries something completely different.

00:24:07.560 Also, the attack on Trump from the Democrats when he was president was that he was an unhinged militarist, that he was trying to get the United States involved in wars.

00:24:15.120 We were about to go to war with North Korea or with Iran. 0.63

00:24:17.220 He loved to bomb people.

00:24:18.900 And now suddenly we're being told that he's weak.

00:24:22.080 He's the one who just a month ago got shot in that ear and then stood up despite his Secret Service demanding that he not do so and put his fist in the ear while he had blood running down his face saying fight, fight, fight.

00:24:33.400 When there could have been an active sniper still out there.

00:24:35.440 Yeah, I mean, the instinct when you get shot or almost get shot is that you run and hide and duck, not out of cowardice, out of just natural instinct.

00:24:45.820 And he overcame that and put his fist in the ear despite having no idea what was going on.

00:24:50.120 And everyone saw what he did creating those iconic photos.

00:24:54.120 So I just I do think there's a way that the Democrats could run a race that would be effective against Trump.

00:25:01.140 But we get back to this fact that, you know, I don't I think you saw that clip before where Gavin Newsom was on Pod Save America and he made some very snide commentary about how Kamala Harris got to be the nominee because obviously I'm up.

00:25:16.580 That's what I'm supposed to say.

00:25:17.620 Yeah. Yeah. And he was I made some kind of joke about like, yeah, we really had such a bottom up organic because he's obviously angry that he didn't even have a chance to run.

00:25:27.520 They imposed her on the rest of the country. 0.96

00:25:29.460 They did have good Democratic politicians who are at least competent who would have done much better.

00:25:34.400 But they had this whole identity politics problem, which is that had they passed over Kamala Harris, it would have seemed like they were sweeping aside the black woman, as Sonny Hostin and others have been saying.

00:25:43.520 And they trapped they got trapped with a candidate who, for as long as she's been around, everyone considered to be a terrible politician.

00:25:51.680 And now that that is sort of coming more and more evident as the election approaches.

00:25:56.180 It's truly it's one of those things like you see in Hollywood where, you know, especially back in the day, but current day, too, where some studio decides they're going to make an image around somebody.

00:26:07.640 You know, it used to happen all the time when actors and actresses signed to a studio and you had Metro behind you and, you know, Mr.

00:26:15.660 Mayor would personally make sure you would become a star and get the whole star making apparatus around you.

00:26:22.180 And then lo and behold, you would become a star and the American populace would be fed information about you that Mr.

00:26:29.800 Mayor had collated and shoved into your living room, whether you knew it or not.

00:26:34.100 And then those stars were carefully managed such that they did not give any interviews that were not also carefully managed, micromanaged with the right dresses and the right setting and the right imagery all around the star.

00:26:49.180 And there was a reason for that.

00:26:51.740 These stars were actually no no more glamorous or knowledgeable or special other than their ability to act than the rest of us.

00:26:58.900 And we weren't supposed to know that because we were just supposed to accept this imagery.

00:27:02.260 The same thing is happening with her, where they all including the Hollywood angle.

00:27:08.260 You know, I mean, Halpern was the one who reported that CAA, one of the most powerful agencies in the country, was actually in there advising her before the DNC, along with some A-list Hollywood talent, trying to explain to her, this is how you say the line.

00:27:21.600 This is what you should do.

00:27:22.880 And I'll bet they were back before that debate, giving her some help with her rehearsed little bits she was doing.

00:27:29.220 And yet, unlike a Hollywood star who doesn't actually have to go out there and sit on 60 or these other moronic podcasts like the one that talks about dildos one day and Kamala Harris as president the next, Kamala Harris does have to get out there.

00:27:46.600 She does have to get out there because she tried the basement campaign. 1.00

00:27:49.440 I mean, it was failing.

00:27:50.780 They felt they had to do something.

00:27:53.480 And so now we're getting to see the person behind the curtain and that Hollywood veneer is not strong enough to stop her inanity from shining through. 1.00

00:28:05.080 Yeah, I think it's a great analogy.

00:28:08.400 And I would actually point out that even in the heyday of like the 1940s and 50s, where those handful of studio executives could basically control how the public perceived people, not only did they have all the things you mentioned, but they also could control the media.

00:28:23.480 So if anyone in journalism wrote negatively about one of their stars, they'd be excluded.

00:28:28.580 They would be punished.

00:28:29.500 Everybody knew that there was kind of a system of punishment, even though even with all those advantages, though, occasionally they would try and make a star out of somebody who simply lacked charisma, who the public just didn't connect to, didn't wasn't convinced by usually at work, but not always.

00:28:45.440 The big difference now, obviously, is that unlike then, when there was, you know, a tiny handful of information controllers, you know, the networks and a couple of big radio stations and the like, all owned by the same people.

00:29:00.180 The problem is, as Hillary Clinton pointed out, is that when you have a free Internet, you lose control of the ability to manipulate what people think.

00:29:08.860 And so they don't have that power anymore.

00:29:11.120 You can have, you know, ABC News and CNN 24 hours a day, the New York Times turning this stuff out.

00:29:17.900 But there's a gigantic number of people who know that they're doing that and therefore look elsewhere, for example, to the show, which has a bigger audience than a lot of those that I just mentioned, where they cannot control the information any longer.

00:29:29.320 And that really undermines their ability to maintain that kind of image in the way that those studio bosses were able to do.

00:29:35.640 You are exactly right that and like the panic to steal a word from the top of the show amongst these left wingers about the loss of control of information is evident every day in the interviews that they give.

00:29:53.540 They're not even trying to hide their panic, which I let me put a pin in that for one second, because I was thinking about somebody like Joan Crawford, who love the movie Mommy Dearest.

00:30:04.380 I mean, obsessed.

00:30:06.140 And, you know, they did that with her.

00:30:08.440 She was one of those massive stars who was signed to one of these big Hollywood agencies.

00:30:12.200 And she did all of like the Christmas interviews with the old style microphones while she gave her interviews to the radio guys with her beautiful children splayed around her.

00:30:23.660 And, oh, my fans and my family with a Hollywood accent.

00:30:28.260 This is my eldest daughter, Christina.

00:30:30.260 Hello, everyone.

00:30:31.640 And my son, Christopher.

00:30:33.140 Hi, everybody.

00:30:34.800 And my twins, Cynthia and Kathy, who will content themselves with smiling for your listeners since they're not quite three.

00:30:40.100 At what hour do you suppose the youngsters will awaken tomorrow morning?

00:30:44.380 I'm afraid they're likely to be awakened and up by 630 at the latest.

00:30:48.020 Will they come straight into your room and awaken you?

00:30:50.440 I'd be disappointed if they didn't. 0.96

00:30:52.140 And then, of course, her own daughter came out later to say she was a monster. 0.60

00:30:56.140 She was beating me as soon as the cameras were off. 1.00

00:31:00.460 Joan's other children have denied that for the record.

00:31:03.560 But that's one thing.

00:31:04.800 Today, it's closer to like Milli Vanilli, where they put them out there and they mouthed the right words and they had the right outfits and they learned the steps.

00:31:15.960 But before too long, we realized they actually had no talent.

00:31:20.700 This was all a facade.

00:31:22.380 There was no there there.

00:31:23.580 And they went they promptly went away.

00:31:25.300 Yeah, I mean, you know, I think what happened with the Democrats was they had this whatever you think of Barack Obama, a really like generational political talent.

00:31:37.040 Right. The ability to like move crowds, to draw people into politics who had never previously cared about politics, his ability to kind of convince anybody that he was anything they wanted him to be.

00:31:47.720 That's a real political skill.

00:31:49.740 And he won two straight elections.

00:31:51.540 They lost with Hillary because she was a terrible politician and Joe Biden won by the tiniest margin because he's been around for so long and he actually does have some political skills as well.

00:32:02.860 At least he did before his brain melted.

00:32:04.740 When you have somebody like Hillary Clinton, who's an awful politician or somebody like Kamala Harris, who is as well, this whole machinery can't prop them up. 0.98

00:32:14.700 Maybe they can for a little bit, a little while.

00:32:16.760 Maybe they can for a few weeks, like happened with Kamala Harris.

00:32:19.180 But that's the thing is Americans want to know who these people really are.

00:32:23.640 They do not trust these establishment institutions.

00:32:26.100 That's the other big change from the 1950s where everyone believed what they were reading in the newspaper and hearing on the TV because they trusted most American institutions.

00:32:33.960 That trust is gone.

00:32:35.740 People want to see it for themselves.

00:32:37.260 They look for it themselves and they then seek out other information that shows them another side.

00:32:43.460 And this, I really think, is why when you look at Western liberalism and sort of the ruling class of neoliberals in the West, their number one agenda, and I'm not exaggerating, is to regain control of the Internet, to find a way to prevent information that they don't want on the Internet from reaching large numbers of people because they understand that that is their huge Achilles heel.

00:33:05.280 And the more independent media thrives, the more a free Internet thrives, the more their power is reduced.

00:33:12.320 And that's one of the things I think we're seeing now is they can do everything.

00:33:15.240 Kamala has every advantage. 0.72

00:33:16.680 She has over a billion dollars. 0.99

00:33:18.280 She raised way more than Trump, a much better ground game. 0.71

00:33:21.240 All the media on her side, every Hollywood celebrity, every power institution of power. 0.85

00:33:25.980 But we're seeing that it doesn't really matter, at least not nearly as much as it used to, because the power is now more diffused because of independent media, because of the Internet, which is why that's their number one target to try and control and destroy.

00:33:39.480 Yes, it's so true.

00:33:40.780 Look at that controversy.

00:33:42.080 We covered this on the pod that we dropped early this morning with the 60 minutes edited clip around is Netanyahu listening to us or why won't he listen to us?

00:33:54.240 And and they made the mistake of using one of her normally long winded, empty answers, word salad answers on the promo for the interview, which they released on Sunday and Monday.

00:34:07.020 But by the time they got to Monday night's actual piece, they had realized that that made her look bad and they considerably tightened it up.

00:34:14.960 I don't know whether what they played on Monday night was actually something she said in response to the question that was asked.

00:34:22.420 If they grabbed it from a different part of the interview, that's a serious journalistic no, no, unless later in the interview he asked exactly the same question.

00:34:30.860 But or if it was just another thing she said in a long, rambling answer that was even longer than what we saw in the tease.

00:34:37.220 In any event, they did a switcheroo and now Trump is out there demanding that they release the transcript, release the full transcript and 60 won't do it.

00:34:46.460 CBS is refusing.

00:34:47.920 And Catherine Herridge, who worked both for Fox News with me for many years and then went to CBS, came out just yesterday and said it is there's absolutely precedent for 60 for CBS releasing an entire transcript of an interview with a sitting leader.

00:35:05.300 And she referred back to her own interview with President Trump when he was president.

00:35:09.280 This is the sitting vice president on 60, possibly the next president.

00:35:13.940 Why won't you release the transcript?

00:35:15.800 We wouldn't really know any of this, Glenn, if sharp eyed X viewers hadn't put together.

00:35:24.020 Wait a minute.

00:35:24.540 There's a mismatch between that promo clip and what aired.

00:35:28.100 When I started writing about politics and doing journalism, which wasn't all that long ago, it was 2005.

00:35:35.540 In that era and long before that, the only thing that you could do if you caught the media doing something dishonest or objectionable or ethically questionable is you could write a letter to the editor.

00:35:47.660 They would look at it.

00:35:48.560 They would laugh at it.

00:35:49.340 They would rip it up and they would throw it away in the garbage can.

00:35:51.680 Or occasionally they might publish it in this tiny little section that nobody would ever read.

00:35:55.980 That was it.

00:35:56.600 That was the only accountability journalists had.

00:35:58.800 And as independent voices began growing in the media, first in what was called blogs and now much more sophisticated types of shows that basically produce the same kind of quality programming as the networks and their audience is often bigger, now they have nothing but accountability.

00:36:15.400 And that has changed everything.

00:36:16.720 And I used to get angry when things like this would happen where 60 Minutes would do something so obviously journalistically unethical because, like you, I didn't choose journalism in my first career.

00:36:26.120 I chose it in the middle of being a lawyer because I really believed in it.

00:36:30.840 It was something I really wanted to do.

00:36:32.200 I thought it was important to decide.

00:36:33.400 It used to offend me when they were abandoning their journalistic principles.

00:36:37.360 Now the more they do it, the more I like it because I know that what they're doing is just digging their own grave even more deeply.

00:36:43.300 And the more they got caught doing these things, the more they're driving away other people who still believe in them, the few who do, and making them even question further whether these institutions deserve any of their trust.

00:36:54.680 And every poll shows each year that they lose more and more of their credibility.

00:36:59.280 And it's doing things exactly like this.

00:37:02.500 This just in, the Harris campaign has responded to the controversy telling Variety,

00:37:08.860 we do not control CBS's production decisions and refer questions to CBS.

00:37:15.440 Well, that's true.

00:37:17.880 They don't control CBS's production decisions.

00:37:21.280 It would be interesting to find out whether they asked for an edit, which would not be shocking to me at all.

00:37:29.000 And what's the harm, CBS News?

00:37:31.240 What is the harm in releasing the transcript?

00:37:34.080 Most of these outlets are just releasing the whole interview uncut.

00:37:39.080 You know, I mean, I'll give credit to, I think, Stern did it live.

00:37:43.240 And it just, it's out there.

00:37:45.340 Nothing to hide.

00:37:46.260 There you go.

00:37:47.440 What's the big secret?

00:37:48.400 Why don't we get to see the transcript?

00:37:50.780 And honestly, it's making me suspect CBS even more because as a journalistic outlet, normally you kind of do cuts knowing the full thing could come out.

00:38:01.240 Like you have, you have an ethical obligation behind closed doors.

00:38:04.200 Glenn, it's like when you and I used to be young lawyers and you're the document reviewer on some massive case.

00:38:09.380 And you're the one who, if you, if you happen to come across the document that's terrible for your side is going to lose the case for your side, you decide whether it goes in the to be produced file or the to be held back file.

00:38:23.700 So these ethical decisions happen behind closed doors all the time.

00:38:28.520 And it's just you and your moral code.

00:38:31.120 So if 60 minutes followed its ethical code, which should be the same as all of ours, it should have absolutely no problem releasing the transcript.

00:38:39.780 Not only that, but like in this case, as you know better than than most people, certainly better than me, when you tape an interview with some public figure, of course, you edit because you might you might interview them for three hours or two hours and you only have time for 40 minutes to show and you want to make it as crisp and concise as possible.

00:38:58.800 There's a lot of fun time that you end up editing out.

00:39:01.380 That's totally normal.

00:39:02.680 But what 60 minutes did here was the part that they decided they wanted to edit out.

00:39:07.260 They already put public.

00:39:08.820 They already put it all over the Internet.

00:39:11.320 Everyone saw it.

00:39:13.080 So in that case, in particular, to make that change, to say, here's what she said, and then have it be mocked by pretty much everybody and then eliminate it and not show it to their audience makes what they've done even worse.

00:39:26.300 And you're exactly right. For me, the number one goal of a journalist, the number one function of a journalist is to bring as much transparency as possible to the public, especially about the most powerful people in public life, which at the moment includes or is led by Kamala Harris and Donald Trump, one of whom is going to be our next president.

00:39:42.740 As you say, this is not a psychiatrist who has a privilege or a lawyer who has some obligations, but this is a media outlet.

00:39:50.520 What possible grounds do they have in the age of limitless space on the Internet not to release the full transcript, especially given that the reason there's a question about what they've done is because they've created that question by showing us an answer that was embarrassing and then editing out.

00:40:06.300 They have zero foundation to justify doing that.

00:40:09.860 I know this. This is the same outlet that was lecturing all of its staff the other day on CBS News and their vaunted reputation and how we really need to live up to these standards.

00:40:20.700 It's like, oh, OK, did you talk to your debate moderators about that?

00:40:25.640 Did you talk to the folks over at 60 Minutes about that?

00:40:28.920 Because that's either actually a principle at CBS or it isn't.

00:40:32.820 Release the transcript.

00:40:35.260 Let us see what she actually said and let us see what you did.

00:40:40.040 60.

00:40:40.380 OK, now back to the thing we put the pin in, which is the ardent desire of these leftists to gain control of outside entities like the digital lane shows like yours on Rumble shows like mine in on its platforms, places like X, which they're constantly harassing.

00:40:58.280 Here was the soundbite you referred to the other day of you referred to it just now of Hillary Clinton the other day.

00:41:04.240 Speaking to this exact point, listen.

00:41:06.760 There should be a lot of things done.

00:41:08.560 We should be, in my view, repealing something called Section 230, which gave platforms on the Internet immunity because they were thought to be just pass-throughs, that they shouldn't be judged for the content that is posted.

00:41:23.560 But we now know that that was an overly simple view, that if the platforms, whether it's Facebook or Twitter X or Instagram or TikTok, whatever they are,

00:41:35.000 if they don't moderate and monitor the content, we lose total control.

00:41:42.280 Oh, sometimes they say the quiet part out loud, Glenn.

00:41:45.320 This is probably the topic on which I focus most, and even as a lawyer, I used to focus most on free speech.

00:41:53.260 But over the last, say, five, six years, I focused most on the attempts by Western governments to censor and control the Internet using things like this completely fake credential they invented out of nowhere called disinformation experts to try and make political censorship seem like something that's apolitically scientific.

00:42:10.400 This is a very serious threat to Internet freedom, and as you say, Hillary Clinton, in an act of completely unintentional candor, said the real reason.

00:42:20.120 This all happened in 2016 when the Internet was pretty free.

00:42:25.600 First trauma was when British citizens decided, contrary to what they were told, they approved Brexit and they left the EU, and that was a major traumatizing event for all of Europe and for British elites.

00:42:38.120 And then two or three months later, that was followed by the biggest trauma that American liberalism has ever experienced, which was the loss of Hillary Clinton to Donald Trump.

00:42:46.280 That was when they realized things are spiraling out of control.

00:42:50.060 We can no longer control the thinking process and the information diet of citizens.

00:42:56.380 We're willing to have a democracy as long as we can manipulate people into thinking what we want and therefore voting how we want.

00:43:02.800 Democracy becomes dangerous when they start becoming too free and they can actually vote the way they think they should vote and it is in their interest and we can't control it.

00:43:11.120 And that was when there was this not partial but very systemic effort to start creating theories.

00:43:17.120 They were financing huge amounts of new groups funded by billionaires and the like, the whole idea of which was to create these superstructures to allow Western democracies to start censoring the Internet.

00:43:27.740 As you know, I think most of your audience knows, X was just banned from Brazil for five weeks because of their refusal to censor who they were told to censor.

00:43:36.140 France just arrested the founder and billionaire owner of Telegram because oftentimes he refuses to censor who he's told to censor.

00:43:46.460 All of this is happening exactly for the reason that Hillary Clinton said, because there is nothing more threatening to ruling class power and there never has been in history than the ability of individuals to think and speak freely.

00:43:58.520 And that's why what is most under attack is that ability.

00:44:01.380 Mm hmm. Yeah. I mean, we've talked about before on this show, which airs on YouTube as well as on all podcasts and on Sirius XM.

00:44:09.200 If we refer to the removal of healthy body parts on children in the name of gender affirmation as mutilation, we get hit.

00:44:22.000 You're not allowed to say that on YouTube. So, I mean, they are controlling language and other other shows get it far worse than we get it.

00:44:28.620 I mean, I really, frankly, shouldn't complain because they bother me far less than they bother others.

00:44:32.660 I've had Charlie Kirk come on here and say he can't use he has to use preferred pronouns or he gets a strike on YouTube.

00:44:38.440 So anyway, there are so many platforms out there that do comply and they want all of them.

00:44:44.320 They want all of them complying and they want to shut down the ones that don't.

00:44:48.500 I mean, they'd love to shut down X under Elon. Here is just another take on it.

00:44:54.420 Dan Pfeiffer, who was an Obama guy, and he's on he's on that Pod Save America.

00:45:00.660 Yeah. Yeah. Pod Save America. He's out there today talking about how he he's saying it on MSNBC interview with Alex Wagner,

00:45:10.120 that it's the Republicans who control the media. Listen.

00:45:17.000 They may not you may not get a caller caller daddy listener, every person with with that interview.

00:45:22.140 But that those clips are going viral. Local TV, do podcasts, do our podcast, do Tim's podcast, do 60 Minutes, do it all.

00:45:29.260 Trump isn't doing it all. There was some reporting, again, about the manovers.

00:45:32.340 But in terms of that, you know, blanket the airwave strategy that you just outlined, that's not what Trump is pursuing. 0.99

00:45:38.440 He's old, mentally declining, lazy. So that's that's the first reason. 0.95

00:45:43.720 The second reason is keep Republicans have something Democrats don't, which they have a massive media operation between Fox News, Daily Wire, all these people.

00:45:52.800 We don't have that yet. So we have to work. Oh, my God. Do it.

00:45:57.480 He's saying it on MSNBC, Glenn.

00:46:01.960 You know, Megan, sometimes I try and explain to conservatives, friends of mine or people I work with or whoever, audience members, because people don't believe it, that liberals really do believe that their disadvantage is that the media is not on their side.

00:46:21.240 They think the media is insufficiently anti-Trump, that they give advantages to Donald Trump, that Republicans have Fox News and the Daily Wire.

00:46:30.300 That's the only two that he could think of. And he's like, we have nothing.

00:46:34.040 And it's like you're on a network that 24 hours a day does nothing except promote the Democratic Party.

00:46:39.740 It's part of a gigantic conglomerate called NBC News, which does the same.

00:46:45.000 You turn over to CNN or ABC or CBS like we saw with the debates, and they're doing exactly the same thing to say nothing of newspapers like The New York Times or The Washington Post, none of whom have a single pro-Trump op-ed columnist, even though they have dozens of people writing on that page.

00:47:00.080 The delusion required to be a Democrat and complain that your disadvantage is that the Republicans or conservatives have a part of the media they control and nobody does that for the poor little Democrats is beyond anything psychiatrists could explain.

00:47:14.460 But I always try and convince, tell people, no, they really think that they're so self-victimizing that they really convince themselves that one of their disadvantages is that they have no media support for their party and only conservatives do.

00:47:27.860 So it's such an inversion of reality that it's hard for people to believe who don't know them that they really believe that.

00:47:34.680 And rather than saying, all right, well, conservatives went and they built their own place to bring out their message or not even just conservatives, but people who are not towing the Democrat line.

00:47:45.440 I wouldn't call you a conservative and I don't really call myself a conservative.

00:47:48.600 But anyway, so people who won't tow the Democrat line that they're pushing.

00:47:52.480 So they created their own ecosystem or partook in their own ecosystem rather than saying, OK, that's that's what they did.

00:47:58.640 It's the Hillary Clinton thing. 0.99

00:48:00.400 We got to get a hold of this thing right away or it's going to spin right out of control and we're going to lose every election.

00:48:05.820 But not only that, the person that you just showed saying this, who used to work in the Obama White House, someone totally without power or someone completely marginalized, used to be at the center of the White House very recently.

00:48:19.440 They created their own podcast called Pod Save America that is always at the top of the charts.

00:48:25.760 They have a gigantic audience and the only thing they do every single day.

00:48:28.940 Anyways, during the political season, it's up there.

00:48:31.100 Other than that, people tune in.

00:48:32.160 Exactly.

00:48:32.600 Yeah, yeah.

00:48:33.160 I'm not right.

00:48:33.800 It's not this.

00:48:34.640 But right.

00:48:35.080 No, all I'm saying is that it is a successful podcast.

00:48:37.360 They have a large audience during the political year where all they do is promote the Democratic Party.

00:48:41.100 They are very high on the list of people who listen to them.

00:48:44.120 So it isn't like they haven't done that either.

00:48:46.780 But the reason they don't really need to do that is because they have pretty much every other media outlet who does it for them.

00:48:53.220 It's almost like redundant to create podcasts that do nothing but promote the Democratic Party or hate Trump because every other major network besides Fox News does that all the time.

00:49:03.200 And the one thing that I always try to convince liberals of, even when they thought that I was their best friend, was, you know, this is back.

00:49:10.080 I remember when I did there was a profile of you in Politico and it quoted me as saying I used to watch you on Fox News as supposedly, you know, hardcore partisan right wing outlet.

00:49:18.520 Every time you had a Republican senator on your show or some conservative activist, you would pummel them with adversarial questions in a way that you would never, ever see an MSNBC or CNN host do with Democrats.

00:49:30.400 So even Fox News, in my view, is not nearly the equivalent of these other outlets when it comes to partisan hackery and loyalty and everything else.

00:49:38.460 And to watch them invert reality and turn themselves into victims is, to this day, I find it remarkable.

00:49:45.580 It's like a psychiatric illness that needs to be studied.

00:49:48.040 I'm the I'm the same.

00:49:49.880 I feel like this audience and go, go back and look at my interview with Governor Ron DeSantis when he was still in it in the primary battle.

00:49:55.600 Go back and look at my interview with Donald Trump, even though I've been open about the fact that I'm going to vote for Donald Trump.

00:50:01.040 If he came on this show in the next three weeks, I would go hard on him just the same way as I encourage others to do when they have access to the Dems.

00:50:09.340 But they won't.

00:50:10.580 And they've proven that they won't.

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00:52:18.440 So, Glenn, the tension between Joe Biden and Kamala Harris continues to play out in public in what has to be one of the most delicious storylines we've seen in a while.

00:52:34.820 I mean, even though he was, you know, feeble and not up to the job, even currently, never mind for a second term, you can't blame the guy for loathing her.

00:52:47.100 She stuck the knife in his back. 1.00

00:52:48.860 She clearly was ready to go just as soon as he just out of the blue called her.

00:52:52.600 First, she was totally surprised to receive the call and told her that he wasn't going to run again.

00:52:56.280 Within two minutes, she had the whole thing secured.

00:52:58.460 And now, slowly but surely, he's like, I'm still president.

00:53:03.900 And as of today, you're pretty much a no one.

00:53:06.260 And it's been very interesting to watch him try to undermine her.

00:53:10.040 So, first, she went out there on Friday and she was doing a campaign event.

00:53:16.280 And for the first time ever, he went into the White House press briefing room and gave a presser about the hurricanes happening down in the southeast and said all sorts of nice things about Ron DeSantis.

00:53:29.320 He stole her fire and she'd been upset that she couldn't get Ron DeSantis to take her phone calls.

00:53:35.520 Meanwhile, she's she's the vice president. 1.00

00:53:37.220 She's not the president. 0.65

00:53:37.980 And Joe Biden's like, it's been taking my calls.

00:53:40.540 We're all good.

00:53:41.220 He's been great.

00:53:42.020 I've been great.

00:53:42.960 He's been great.

00:53:43.600 It's been great.

00:53:44.600 Thumbs up for Ron DeSantis.

00:53:46.220 Oh, what?

00:53:47.820 Then this week, it happened again.

00:53:50.200 She went on The View.

00:53:51.700 And at that moment, he went out and came to the microphones and once again started speaking about the hurricanes and basically embarrassed her.

00:54:02.900 And hold on.

00:54:03.980 I'm trying to find it.

00:54:05.740 Then.

00:54:06.440 OK.

00:54:06.800 20, what is 28?

00:54:09.360 Let's see.

00:54:10.060 Oh.

00:54:13.220 So then Kamala Harris comes out and she digs at Ron DeSantis. 1.00

00:54:17.500 She's mad that he won't talk to her and make her more relevant and important than she is.

00:54:22.540 And Ron DeSantis is basically like, you know, there's this gnat bothering me on my shoulder as I'm trying to manage the safety of millions of people.

00:54:34.220 Here's a little sampling of that in 28.

00:54:36.380 Playing political games at this moment in these crisis situations.

00:54:41.760 These are the height of emergency situations.

00:54:44.600 It's just utterly irresponsible.

00:54:46.700 And it is selfish.

00:54:47.560 And it is about political gamesmanship instead of doing the job that he doesn't know what to do, which is to put the people first.

00:54:54.860 The governor of Florida has been cooperative.

00:54:58.020 He said he's gotten all that he needs.

00:54:59.640 I talked to him again yesterday.

00:55:00.880 And I said, no, you're doing a great job.

00:55:05.500 It's all being done well.

00:55:07.020 We thank you for it.

00:55:08.580 And I literally gave my personal phone number to call.

00:55:10.900 Okay, so that's that's a flavor.

00:55:15.440 She's not content to leave it at that.

00:55:17.360 She's got to make Ron DeSantis seem like he's the partisan hack here trying to politicize a hurricane.

00:55:22.340 He's actually got work to do. 0.99

00:55:24.780 He can't sit on a sex podcast and talk about men's testicles all day long like she's been doing. 0.97

00:55:31.020 He actually has to manage a massive pair of storms that are endangering his citizens lives. 0.98

00:55:36.820 And she doesn't care. 0.66

00:55:38.640 She goes out on The View just Tuesday as Milton was bearing down on Florida and doubles down on her attack.

00:55:46.680 Here it is in SOT 27.

00:55:49.140 I have called and talked with in the course of this crisis, this most recent crisis, Democrat and Republican governors.

00:55:58.840 Called, taken the call, answered the call, had a conversation.

00:56:02.120 So, obviously, this is not an issue that is about partisanship or politics for certain leaders, but maybe it's for others.

00:56:11.180 It's about the fact that he doesn't need you and has made clear you've never called him ever before during all the hurricanes that have hit Florida while you have been vice president ever.

00:56:24.060 And there's a reason you are desperate to be in contact with him right now.

00:56:28.040 I'll give you one more, Glenn.

00:56:29.460 Two more, actually.

00:56:30.240 Stand with me.

00:56:32.200 Then President Biden that same day.

00:56:33.900 She was on The View on Tuesday.

00:56:35.300 He goes out to oppress her on Tuesday.

00:56:37.820 And here's here's what he says.

00:56:39.980 The governor of Florida has been cooperative.

00:56:44.360 He said he's gotten all that he needs.

00:56:45.980 I talked to him again yesterday.

00:56:48.260 And I said, no, you're doing a great job.

00:56:51.840 It's all being done well.

00:56:53.360 We thank you for it.

00:56:54.900 And I literally gave my personal phone number to call.

00:56:57.960 So I don't know.

00:56:59.980 There was a rough start in some places.

00:57:01.840 But every governor, every governor from Florida to North Carolina has been fully cooperative and supportive and acknowledge what this team is doing.

00:57:12.200 And they're doing an incredible job.

00:57:14.060 We've got a lot more to do.

00:57:16.500 OK, so that was Tuesday.

00:57:18.520 Then Tuesday night, she goes on with Colbert and she attacks him again.

00:57:24.080 She attacks him yet again.

00:57:27.240 DeSantis says he's managing this storm because she just can't let go of it.

00:57:29.900 And then DeSantis finally goes on with Brett Baer last night as he's trying to sound the alarm about the dangers in Florida and urging people to evacuate the targeted area.

00:57:41.600 And he gets asked about this nonsense.

00:57:43.600 And here's what he says in SOT 24.

00:57:45.760 And I heard what you said about Vice President Harris and the phone call.

00:57:48.740 Did she ever get through?

00:57:51.660 You know, Brett, like I said, my job is to marshal resources and work with everybody to have an effective response.

00:57:58.240 And she thinks it should be about her.

00:58:00.780 If I honestly thought that there was something to be gained, I would pick up the phone and call her.

00:58:05.240 The fact of the matter is she has no role in this process.

00:58:08.300 She's not part of the chain of command.

00:58:09.880 I am working with President Biden and FEMA and our state and local partners, and we're getting the job done.

00:58:15.980 She has never been interested in any of the storms we've had in the state of Florida for an entire time as Vice President.

00:58:22.700 Now she's out there attacking me because I'm not cating to her whims. 1.00

00:58:27.220 All she's trying to do is inject herself to be a part of her political campaign. 1.00

00:58:31.180 I don't have time for political games.

00:58:33.200 We've got a job to do.

00:58:34.360 We've got people's lives on the line.

00:58:35.960 And that is our sole focus.

00:58:39.180 She's managed to unite Joe Biden and Ron DeSantis.

00:58:44.480 Glenn, what's happening here?

00:58:47.440 There's so many revealing but even more entertaining aspects to this.

00:58:53.300 First of all, just put yourself in Ron DeSantis' shoes.

00:58:55.700 You've got this very scary hurricane.

00:58:58.340 I have relatives in Florida.

00:58:59.860 That's where I grew up.

00:59:01.280 It passed by South Florida, but the center of the state is getting utterly decimated.

00:59:07.140 So you're the governor of Florida.

00:59:08.400 You have extremely serious responsibilities to the people of your state.

00:59:12.980 And of all the people that you would want to speak to, if you created a list of all the

00:59:19.380 people you would like to speak to, to help you get the things you need to provide services

00:59:24.200 for the people of your state, the Vice President of the United States, a ceremonial position would

00:59:29.200 be literally the last on your list.

00:59:31.060 Why would he possibly want to talk to Kamala Harris about anything?

00:59:34.760 And also, it's so transparent why she's calling.

00:59:38.500 That's the worst part.

00:59:39.620 And then for her to turn around in this projection and say that it's DeSantis who's politicizing

00:59:44.680 it when she had no interest ever before in natural storms or disasters or anything else,

00:59:50.280 suddenly a month before the election, she wants to be able to say, I briefed up the governor

00:59:53.740 DeSantis.

00:59:54.260 He briefed me.

00:59:55.280 It's so transparent.

00:59:56.960 But I also do think the funniest part of all of this, and this is not the first time this

01:00:01.200 has happened.

01:00:01.640 It's happened many times.

01:00:02.440 You went through a lot of the examples and there were others.

01:00:05.140 But just think about it from Joe Biden's perspective.

01:00:07.540 He did not want to drop out of the race.

01:00:09.420 He believed, whatever is true, that he had the right to run, that he could have won,

01:00:15.520 that that was his nomination that he secured, that was rightfully his.

01:00:20.220 And the only reason he got out of the race was because he was threatened by Barack Obama

01:00:24.980 and Nancy Pelosi and everyone surrounding Kamala Harris that if he didn't get out of the

01:00:29.060 race, they would continually destroy his legacy through leaks and even invoke the 25th Amendment

01:00:33.940 to force him out for the first time in history if he refused at the end of the day.

01:00:38.500 Not because they cared about his confidence.

01:00:40.120 Had he been ahead, they would have been fine with it, but because they knew he was going

01:00:42.580 to lose.

01:00:43.600 Imagine after 50 years of politics, you finally get the one thing you've been seeking your

01:00:47.580 whole life, which is the presidency.

01:00:49.120 And all these people who are supposed to be your allies stab you in the back day after

01:00:53.720 day in the media.

01:00:54.560 You don't think that he's harpering all sorts of vindictiveness and anger, not just at

01:00:58.840 Kamala Harris, but at the entire Democratic Party establishment.

01:01:01.500 And don't you think that if Kamala loses on election day, the person who's going to be

01:01:06.060 laughing the hardest is going to be Joe Biden because they were the ones who were so sure.

01:01:11.420 So, of course, a lot of this is intentional.

01:01:14.000 You don't stay around politics in Washington for 55 years and not understand that every time

01:01:19.840 you're praising Ron DeSantis while she's out attacking him, that you're purposely sabotaging

01:01:24.720 her in the most delicious and I mean, it proves that at least part of Joe Biden's brain, like

01:01:30.660 the political part, that's probably the most active because it has the most practice, is

01:01:34.440 very much still working, at least to the extent to enable him to enjoy that.

01:01:39.080 Totally agree.

01:01:40.340 And now you get pieces like this one from NBC News today.

01:01:44.120 Biden didn't know Ron DeSantis had refused to take Harris's call when he praised him as

01:01:50.120 gracious.

01:01:51.240 OK, hold on.

01:01:52.600 Sure, Jan.

01:01:54.720 No one believes that.

01:01:59.220 Also, why would that matter?

01:02:00.880 Why would that matter?

01:02:01.720 Biden was saying our relationship has been great.

01:02:04.400 Everything he's asked for, we've given him everything we've asked of him.

01:02:07.160 He's been doing.

01:02:08.220 Why would it even matter if he was taking Kamala's calls or not?

01:02:11.240 That wouldn't affect anything that Joe Biden was saying.

01:02:13.720 Think about how ridiculous it would be for Joe Biden to say, oh, he and I are working together

01:02:18.020 all the time, but I'm a little upset that he's not talking to Kamala Harris as well.

01:02:21.700 Why would he want to talk to Kamala Harris?

01:02:23.220 Why not talk to Pete Buttigieg?

01:02:24.720 Or like, I don't know, any of you can just pick a random person in the government who

01:02:28.920 could do more for you than Kamala Harris, who literally controls nothing. 1.00

01:02:32.940 So, you know, it's just.

01:02:34.580 Mayorkas, who's been dealing with some piece of the FEMA funding.

01:02:37.900 I mean, there's you've got choices other than Kamala Harris.

01:02:40.660 So here's here was the interesting thing.

01:02:43.260 DeSantis says, if I thought there was something to be gained, I would call her.

01:02:47.760 Well, maybe he's selling her too short because Harris is saying that she had a call with the

01:02:54.540 Democratic mayor of St. Petersburg, Florida, and she she had this ditty to offer. 0.86

01:03:00.520 Watch.

01:03:00.780 Let me just, first of all, thank you for just answering the call to lead in the way that

01:03:06.340 you have, you know, in a time of crisis.

01:03:09.120 Your folks are looking in your eyes to see something in you that lets them know everything's

01:03:13.640 going to be OK.

01:03:14.580 And, you know, the outreach from the White House and from FEMA has been excellent.

01:03:18.360 And we're really going to need your help.

01:03:19.860 OK, well, know that you've got it and know that you are invited to give any feedback about

01:03:26.160 what you might need in real time.

01:03:28.840 Oh, my God, Glenn, people need to look in your eyes.

01:03:33.800 There's this is why Ron DeSantis does not return her calls.

01:03:39.100 I mean, Ron DeSantis has had always very low patience, maybe even lower than would be

01:03:46.320 good for him in terms of political interest with political theater, with the

01:03:49.840 political nonsense.

01:03:51.440 He takes that job seriously.

01:03:53.220 He really believes in results.

01:03:55.480 I think that's part of what made him not such a great politician when he ran for president.

01:04:00.140 But in this particular case, that's the sort of thing that you want when you're dealing

01:04:03.640 with something as devastating to the people of your state as a hurricane.

01:04:07.320 And the idea that he would even consider for a moment having some performative theatrical

01:04:13.500 call with Kamala Harris, knowing that she doesn't care in the slightest about the hurricane,

01:04:18.360 the suffering of these people, she's only looking for a campaign ad, must just disgust

01:04:23.200 him so much.

01:04:24.300 And then the fact that he even had to address it probably irritated him even more. 0.97

01:04:28.840 And this is the sort of thing I'm saying is that it shows how politically inept she is.

01:04:32.920 Even in that conversation with the St. Petersburg mayor, it just came off as so disingenuous.

01:04:38.580 It's just like oozing this, this theatrical concern, pretending that she had control of

01:04:44.820 FEMA.

01:04:45.420 The whole thing is just so vacant.

01:04:48.480 And that's the word that I would probably choose more than anything else for Kamala Harris

01:04:52.460 and her campaign. 0.83

01:04:54.420 There is no world in which Ron DeSantis would participate in that.

01:04:58.300 He's just there.

01:04:59.340 He is too authentic, strong and busy.

01:05:03.820 I mean, that's all he does is solve problems.

01:05:05.500 It's really sad to me that he ended his campaign in the way he did.

01:05:08.760 It would be very great, I think, if he would give it another go, even though he'll be a

01:05:12.560 couple of years out of office when the next term ends, whoever's in there.

01:05:17.720 I'd love to see him elevate higher because he's truly, truly competent.

01:05:21.900 He's smart.

01:05:22.840 He cares. 0.99

01:05:23.820 Who gives a crap if he doesn't, you know, worm you or have this most authentic smile? 0.99

01:05:29.340 Okay. 0.99

01:05:29.740 Um, speaking of Milton, so it was bad, but it wasn't quite as bad as they feared it might

01:05:38.860 be.

01:05:39.260 As of Thursday morning, early, uh, DeSantis was saying it's too soon to tell how many people

01:05:45.440 had died in the storm.

01:05:46.480 We know at least four were killed in St. Lucie County on Florida's East coast on Wednesday

01:05:50.840 because two tornadoes touched down in relation to this whole weather mess that hit them.

01:05:56.740 More than 3.2 million million people in Florida were without power early Thursday.

01:06:02.680 And, um, I'm constantly, as I'm sure you are on your show, ripping on the media, uh, for

01:06:07.760 all sorts of valid reasons.

01:06:09.140 But I will say during storms like this, I tip my hat to those who are willing to go out there

01:06:14.000 and bring people to story because seeing the reporter in danger with the swirling winds

01:06:19.920 does make people tune in.

01:06:21.980 It makes them care.

01:06:23.040 And we do need people to care about these massive storms because ultimately we're

01:06:26.740 the ones who pay for the cleanup.

01:06:28.740 So, uh, we put together just a little bit of what happened last night.

01:06:31.940 Anderson Cooper was one of them.

01:06:33.080 Brian Enten of News Nation was another, uh, here's a little montage of the reporters who

01:06:37.120 were out there taking it last night.

01:06:39.960 And the water now is really starting to pour over.

01:06:42.620 If you look at the ground, whoa.

01:06:45.220 Okay.

01:06:45.840 Got hit by something.

01:06:46.860 That wasn't good.

01:06:51.340 Situation here in Sarasota is starting to turn dire.

01:06:54.580 At first we had, okay, we're gonna go, we gotta go, we gotta go.

01:06:59.780 This is Tom Alonis of NBC.

01:07:02.640 Rainwater, um, that is just flooding now.

01:07:06.820 These neighborhoods in this area.

01:07:08.780 And these are the worst conditions we have seen so far.

01:07:12.360 Winds are just whipping like crazy.

01:07:16.960 This is a local Fox reporter.

01:07:19.320 Look at that, that looks scary.

01:07:20.340 Oh my God.

01:07:27.200 That is terrifying.

01:07:28.440 Those are just, uh, from a storm chaser catching some of the video last night.

01:07:31.760 It's dangerous out there, Glenn.

01:07:33.360 And, uh, you know, too often after these storms, we just kind of go back to, well, it wasn't

01:07:37.840 that bad.

01:07:38.300 Everybody forecasting that it was going to be absolutely awful was wrong and we should stick

01:07:41.960 around for the next hurricane.

01:07:42.940 And that's, that's really not the takeaway.

01:07:45.240 The reason it's not worse this morning is because people did listen.

01:07:47.940 Yeah.

01:07:50.280 And just to your point about, uh, about the media behavior and things like this, the commendable,

01:07:54.800 you know, Anderson Cooper doesn't need to fly down to the middle of a, uh, extremely

01:07:58.860 dangerous storm and stand in the middle.

01:08:00.980 No one really does.

01:08:02.440 When I was saying before that I actually do believe in the profession of journalism and

01:08:06.460 the value that it produces, that's the sort of thing I'm talking about.

01:08:09.440 There's no partisan aspect to reporting on the devastation of a hurricane or going into

01:08:15.040 a war zone and risking your life or sometimes losing your life to report on what's happening

01:08:18.780 in a war.

01:08:19.760 It's the only way people can really understand the reality.

01:08:22.100 If that's what the media and journalists continue to do, I would have a lot more respect

01:08:27.320 for it.

01:08:27.720 I think most people would.

01:08:28.860 That's the sort of thing that we want.

01:08:30.260 I, as I said, I grew up in South Florida and at the time South Florida was the epicenter

01:08:34.640 of a lot of these hurricanes.

01:08:35.460 There was one really terrible one in particular, I forget the name of it, but I remember we

01:08:39.600 would, you know, board up our houses.

01:08:40.960 It was, it was, it was terrifying, especially when the, the, the brunt of it would come to

01:08:45.520 you and trees were falling and wind was circulating and there was, you know, waist high water all

01:08:51.200 throughout where you lived.

01:08:52.500 These are really serious things.

01:08:53.920 And I think it is important for journalists to go and report on that.

01:08:57.460 And that's why it just stands in such stark contrast to what Kamala Harris is trying to do, 1.00

01:09:02.280 trifling with this, playing games with it, you know, inserting herself for no reason

01:09:07.620 into it other than to get gather.

01:09:09.100 It's exactly what DeSantis says.

01:09:10.420 She's trying to make it all about her in a way that is so selfish and so unserious and

01:09:16.660 so creepy that that was why I reacted so strongly to seeing, I hadn't seen all those clips until

01:09:23.280 you just showed me them.

01:09:24.220 And it's amazing just how obsessive she is about it.

01:09:27.260 I know, have some respect.

01:09:29.620 I'll say a word on Anderson Cooper.

01:09:31.700 I interviewed him when he came out with his book, which was a tribute to his mom, Gloria

01:09:38.380 Vanderbilt.

01:09:39.120 He's a Vanderbilt.

01:09:40.520 And he, we had a really profound conversation about the loss of our dads at a young age and

01:09:49.460 his brother died by suicide.

01:09:52.160 He was older than Anderson and he jumped off of their balcony of their Park Avenue home.

01:09:58.920 Really dark stuff.

01:10:00.060 And Anderson admitted and was open about the fact that all that war correspondent work he

01:10:05.900 did early in his career where he really placed himself right in the heart of danger, which

01:10:10.140 really, I mean, let's be honest, that's what he did again last night.

01:10:12.540 As you point out, he did.

01:10:13.800 They could find a lot of reporters at CNN to do that.

01:10:16.200 They don't have to use their biggest star was driven.

01:10:19.760 He admitted to himself by in part a death wish, you know, like he'd been close to death

01:10:26.100 through, through family members too soon in life.

01:10:28.900 And maybe there was like a, a depression or a dark, a darkness in him that was making him

01:10:34.780 kind of want to tempt fate or get close to it again.

01:10:38.540 It was really, it was a conversation I've never forgotten.

01:10:41.140 And even though occasionally I'll rip on a Henderson because everybody's fair game, I

01:10:45.760 do have kind of a soft spot for him because he's been through a lot and I respect the

01:10:50.300 fact that he does things like that.

01:10:52.180 So there, we have a nice, we have a nice media moment for once, Glenn, about a group.

01:10:56.860 I don't think we have many of those, Megan.

01:10:58.580 So it's nice to, I mean, actually he and his husband have a property in Brazil.

01:11:02.760 I've had the opportunity to sit down with and have dinner with him and I have walked away

01:11:06.520 with the same impression.

01:11:07.380 So yeah, we don't get these moments where we praise corporate media employees very often.

01:11:11.140 So here's one where we got to.

01:11:13.480 Yeah, we'll take it while we can.

01:11:15.300 So keeping going, the discussion about the storm, another storms, because there's Helene

01:11:20.320 and Elijah Milton, and people are still suffering massively from Helene in North Carolina, the

01:11:24.520 western part of the state.

01:11:26.140 Yes, there's a political element because that's largely red counties out of the 25 most affected

01:11:30.340 counties.

01:11:31.100 I think 23 are Republican counties.

01:11:35.640 So this is an overwhelmingly red area that's suffering.

01:11:39.100 And there are areas in Florida still suffering.

01:11:41.360 In any event, now it's become a question of where's the money coming from?

01:11:45.140 Where's FEMA?

01:11:45.900 Where do we have the funds or don't we?

01:11:48.240 Because do we have this soundbite of Mayorkas, you guys out there saying, we don't have the

01:11:53.560 dough and we need it.

01:11:54.900 Do we?

01:11:55.320 Yeah, stand by.

01:11:55.840 Here it is.

01:11:56.160 We are meeting the immediate needs with the money that we have.

01:12:03.320 We are expecting another hurricane hitting.

01:12:06.260 We do not have the funds.

01:12:08.080 FEMA does not have the funds to make it through the season.

01:12:13.540 And that's led to a lot of people saying, why not?

01:12:17.800 Where is the money that FEMA has in its coffers?

01:12:21.520 And there's no question that FEMA has an immigrant services pot of money that it has been spending

01:12:30.580 from.

01:12:31.100 It's got $1.7 billion in grants to that group.

01:12:37.480 And then it had a bunch of money over in the disaster aid group.

01:12:41.600 The latest actually is in 2024 alone, they have some $36 billion in their disaster aid.

01:12:49.420 And they had far more than that, $650 million in their migrant services aid available.

01:12:55.420 And they're burning through a ton of this money.

01:12:58.600 So a lot of people want to know why there's so much in the immigrant services pot and why

01:13:03.600 we're not using that money to fund American recovery in the wake of these storms.

01:13:09.820 I think it's a fair question.

01:13:10.980 And it's led to beyond that.

01:13:13.620 Why are we giving all this money to Ukraine?

01:13:15.320 Why are we giving money to Lebanon?

01:13:16.840 Why aren't we giving money to North Carolina? 0.85

01:13:18.480 America first, to steal a phrase.

01:13:22.080 And this led to this pretty remarkable exchange between Peter Doocy and Corrine Jean-Pierre

01:13:26.560 at the White House the other day.

01:13:29.000 Watch this.

01:13:30.320 If he's got money for people in Lebanon right now, without Congress having to come back,

01:13:35.460 what does it say about his values?

01:13:37.100 There's not enough money right now for people in North Carolina.

01:13:40.140 That's not misinformation.

01:13:42.520 Wait.

01:13:43.000 No, that is.

01:13:43.740 Your whole premise of the question is misinformation, sir.

01:13:47.280 The president has a letter to Congress that there's not enough money to help people in North

01:13:50.720 Carolina.

01:13:50.740 We're talking about the SBA disaster loan.

01:13:52.960 That's money for people in North Carolina.

01:13:54.660 And that's important.

01:13:55.560 And people in North Carolina need that.

01:13:57.700 Wait.

01:13:58.160 This is nothing new.

01:13:59.720 Peter, this is nothing new.

01:14:01.040 The president's letter is not misinformation.

01:14:03.080 Would you agree?

01:14:04.160 No.

01:14:04.420 The way you're asking me the question is misinformation.

01:14:06.780 There is money that we are allocating to the impacted areas.

01:14:11.100 And there's money there to help people who truly need it.

01:14:14.260 We don't know how bad Hurricane Milton is going to be.

01:14:17.740 And so we're going to need additional funding.

01:14:20.420 We're going to need additional funding.

01:14:21.780 That's exactly what I just asked about.

01:14:23.620 And you said it was misinformation.

01:14:25.240 What you're asking me is why Congress needs to come back and do their job.

01:14:28.280 That's what you're asking me.

01:14:31.000 Hmm.

01:14:33.120 Did I say $36 billion in disaster aid?

01:14:35.160 That's what I meant to say.

01:14:35.860 $36 billion in disaster aid and $650 million in the migrant services.

01:14:40.460 Okay.

01:14:40.680 So, but they're saying it's not enough.

01:14:42.260 And he's trying to raise the point of like, why are we giving all this money to Lebanon when

01:14:45.620 we can't take care of the people in North Carolina?

01:14:47.360 And she dismisses the whole thing, Glenn, as misinformation.

01:14:51.020 His question is misinformation.

01:14:55.060 I think this actually raises one of the most important debates in our country, namely,

01:15:02.600 who does the ruling class in Washington prioritize? 0.99

01:15:06.860 Whose interests do they prioritize?

01:15:08.760 Who don't they care about?

01:15:10.720 One of the things that has bothered me a little bit about this debate over the last couple

01:15:13.440 weeks with North Carolina is everybody picks and chooses which expenditure they dislike

01:15:17.620 to say, oh, that money should have gone to the people of North Carolina instead.

01:15:21.180 The reality is that a major part of what the United States does is we fund in the billions

01:15:27.220 and billions of dollars, all sorts of other countries.

01:15:30.000 Not only have we given $8 billion to Ukraine just in the last week alone, we've also given

01:15:35.540 $8.5 billion to Israel as well.

01:15:38.900 Those bombs that we give to Israel are the ones that are being used to blow up a lot of 1.00

01:15:43.240 civilian infrastructure in Lebanon, which we then send a tiny fraction, $195 million

01:15:47.280 to Lebanon for humanitarian aid to take care of the people who have nothing to do with

01:15:52.660 terrorism, but who are nonetheless blown up.

01:15:54.840 That is, I think, what Donald Trump ran on in 2016.

01:15:58.020 That was what America First meant was first we take care of our own citizens, our own country.

01:16:03.760 Our communities are falling apart.

01:16:05.260 You look at people's opportunities, they don't go to college, they can't go to college, they

01:16:10.060 have to work two or three crappy jobs just to barely stay in the middle class, both parents

01:16:14.780 have to work, fentanyl is overflowing in our communities.

01:16:17.780 Until we fix our own country and take care of the priorities of our own citizens first,

01:16:24.160 only then should we consider helping other countries in their wars and paying for their

01:16:28.860 wars.

01:16:29.140 And it's not just $195 million to Lebanon, it's $24 billion we've sent to Israel in the

01:16:35.140 last year, a lot more than that sent to Ukraine in the last two and a half years, all kinds

01:16:40.300 of billions of dollars going all around the world, filling the pockets of Raytheon and

01:16:44.740 General Dynamics and Boeing.

01:16:46.220 And you see the Secretary of Homeland Security say, we don't have money for FEMA.

01:16:52.300 That is the reality.

01:16:53.200 Americans come last when it comes to the priority spendings of Washington. 0.97

01:16:57.600 That is why Donald Trump, I'm convinced, won in 2016.

01:17:01.260 And that continues to be, in my view, the most fundamental flaw of Washington policymakers.

01:17:06.940 It's so true. 0.84

01:17:08.100 Like, I'm sorry.

01:17:09.140 I'm genuinely sorry that people are in the midst of wars and getting bombed in foreign lands.

01:17:15.760 But Hurricane Helene was a bomb of its own.

01:17:18.200 And there are a lot of Americans who are seriously in danger and suffering, babies, the elderly,

01:17:25.020 and they need all hands on deck.

01:17:27.100 And you hear Mayorkas just going out there saying, we don't have any money.

01:17:30.640 Why not?

01:17:32.100 Why not?

01:17:33.300 Peter Doocy actually went out there.

01:17:34.640 He was pissed that Karine Jean-Pierre tried to dismiss his question as misinformation.

01:17:40.460 He's like, how can the question be misinformation?

01:17:42.240 I'm asking you if what Biden said is true and if that remains true and where's the money?

01:17:47.480 So he came out and defended himself in a post online just after this.

01:17:51.800 Here's part of it.

01:17:53.800 Peter Doocy here outside the West Wing of the White House, where this week, one of my questions

01:17:58.020 about foreign aid versus hurricane relief was called misinformation.

01:18:03.200 President Biden is fond of saying, show me your budget and I will tell you what you value.

01:18:08.380 If he's got money for people in Lebanon right now without Congress having to come back,

01:18:13.460 what does it say about his values?

01:18:14.700 There is not enough money right now for people in North Carolina.

01:18:19.020 That's not misinformation.

01:18:20.560 Wait, no, that is, your whole premise of the question is misinformation, sir.

01:18:25.720 What you don't, yes, yes, it's misinformation.

01:18:28.200 I've got the information right here.

01:18:30.420 The vice president is posting on social media about $157 million in additional assistance

01:18:35.940 to the people of Lebanon.

01:18:38.200 President Biden is posting about how the Small Business Administration's disaster loan program

01:18:44.760 is going to run out of funding if Congress does not come back.

01:18:48.360 To a lot of people watching these briefings, a taxpayer dollar is a taxpayer dollar is a taxpayer

01:18:55.220 dollar.

01:18:55.900 That is not misinformation.

01:18:57.060 That is a fact.

01:19:00.520 Good for him.

01:19:01.640 To your to your point earlier, Glenn, how that pesky Internet just allows you to do a lot that you couldn't

01:19:08.500 if the Dems had total control over information.

01:19:10.660 But I think this really does go to the heart of everything that is happening in our political

01:19:16.360 dynamic and why there's been such a realignment in terms of who the parties attract.

01:19:23.780 Donald Trump in 2016, when he accepted the Republican nomination, said, I'm here to represent

01:19:28.100 the forgotten man.

01:19:29.620 I'm like, what did that mean?

01:19:30.860 What it means is so clear, which is that there are some very wealthy and powerful people who

01:19:35.680 typically reside on the East and West Coast.

01:19:40.540 They control Hollywood.

01:19:41.800 They control the media.

01:19:42.680 They control Washington.

01:19:44.040 And then there's this huge portion of the country in between who are American citizens,

01:19:47.960 whose communities have been destroyed, whose jobs have been shipped overseas, who have no

01:19:52.480 American dream left.

01:19:53.560 And nobody in Washington really cares.

01:19:56.440 Maybe not nobody, but almost nobody in Washington really cares.

01:20:00.000 And the way you know that is by looking at what they prioritize.

01:20:03.840 Exactly what Biden said.

01:20:05.780 You can look at the budget and see whose interests are prioritized and whose isn't.

01:20:11.480 And I think the reason why Americans are so angry at the ruling elite and the status quo,

01:20:17.740 why that determines who they vote, why they've turned to Trump, I think that's why they're

01:20:21.580 turning to Trump again, is precisely because they know that and they know it better than the

01:20:27.160 people who are thriving on both coasts, the minority of people who control our institutions. 0.98

01:20:31.460 This is the fundamental tension, not only in the U.S., but throughout the West.

01:20:35.740 Immigration comes in and it harms, you know, working class and poor communities and people 1.00

01:20:40.880 of color as well.

01:20:42.120 It doesn't harm people who live in the richest parts of Alexandria, Virginia, who work in

01:20:46.900 the White House or people who live in Paris and Berlin and Madrid and this or in London.

01:20:53.660 And this is the fundamental tension that's tearing Western democracies apart,

01:20:57.140 is that these governments don't take their primary responsibility of taking care of their

01:21:02.420 own citizens' interests seriously at all, at all.

01:21:06.040 They don't care in any way.

01:21:07.940 And people obviously are going to see that.

01:21:10.340 It's so true. 0.84

01:21:11.620 So well said.

01:21:12.740 And then and then the nerve of Karine Jean-Pierre to just dismiss the questioning about it as

01:21:17.460 that's just misinformation and closes up her book and walks away like I'm I'm not going 1.00

01:21:22.140 there because you are full of this just the enormous disrespect, not just to Peter, but

01:21:27.600 to the the Americans who would like an answer, too.

01:21:31.040 All right.

01:21:31.160 I'm going to take a quick break here.

01:21:32.260 When we come back, you talk about Trump.

01:21:34.820 You mentioned him there.

01:21:35.920 And earlier we talked about how Kamala is struggling to be real, that that's what Americans

01:21:40.600 want.

01:21:41.320 You want real?

01:21:42.300 I'm going to give you real after this break.

01:21:44.280 As Trump goes on to podcast with Andrew Schultz, who we love, and he's been on the show a couple

01:21:49.680 of times and I was in tears.

01:21:52.120 I was laughing so hard.

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01:22:55.020 Now, I don't want to be nice, you know.

01:23:00.040 Somebody said, you should be nicer.

01:23:01.560 Women won't like it. 1.00

01:23:02.960 I said, I don't care how they say that.

01:23:11.220 A guy came up to me today.

01:23:13.040 He said, sir, you really should be nicer to her.

01:23:15.340 The women won't like it. 1.00

01:23:16.380 The women want safety, and the women want to have a country that they can be proud of, 0.74

01:23:20.940 I think.

01:23:21.380 I mean, honestly, Glenn, that's honest.

01:23:27.420 That's Trump.

01:23:28.360 Like, I don't care.

01:23:30.400 I'm not going to be nicer.

01:23:34.660 I mean, first of all, for so long, so many liberals refused to admit what is just so obvious,

01:23:41.160 which is that Trump is incredibly funny.

01:23:43.440 I remember Tom Carlson saying at the RNC that Trump is actually the funniest person that he

01:23:48.140 ever met.

01:23:49.000 Trump is hilarious.

01:23:50.240 Like, if you don't, if you understand that a lot of what he's saying he realizes is intended

01:23:55.460 to be amusing, you will see that humor immediately.

01:23:59.000 If you take seriously everything that he's saying is some awful thing about which you

01:24:02.480 want to be offended, then maybe you won't.

01:24:04.980 But look, I mean, I'm sure there are a lot of people who listen to that and don't particularly

01:24:09.600 like hearing women spoken about in that way. 0.98

01:24:11.840 But as you said, I think all of that is outweighed politically by the gold that he has of being

01:24:18.820 able to say whatever is on his mind.

01:24:20.980 And that does build a certain trust in people, even if they don't like the particular comment

01:24:25.480 that he's uttering at the moment.

01:24:27.280 That's right.

01:24:28.120 Here he was.

01:24:28.840 OK, so he goes on with Andrew Schultz, who did such a nice interview of Trump.

01:24:33.360 I have to say it was very funny.

01:24:35.920 He's a comedian and he is hysterical.

01:24:39.400 If you ever get a chance, watch his Netflix specials and you can go back and find our

01:24:43.240 episodes.

01:24:43.800 We'll get you the numbers.

01:24:44.620 But I died.

01:24:46.240 I laughed so hard every time I've talked to this guy.

01:24:48.100 He's so R-rated, but so funny.

01:24:52.940 Anyway, so he asked Trump.

01:24:56.620 They get into the subject of Trump's nicknames for everybody.

01:24:59.460 Look at this bit in South 13.

01:25:02.620 I'm good with names, you know.

01:25:03.940 You are.

01:25:04.520 You're very good with names.

01:25:05.460 You are.

01:25:05.580 You are.

01:25:05.680 You are.

01:25:05.780 You are.

01:25:05.800 You are.

01:25:05.820 You are.

01:25:06.240 Pocahontas.

01:25:06.660 Yeah.

01:25:07.500 We have names.

01:25:08.380 What about, and there was, tampon Tim was good. 0.78

01:25:11.200 What about, is that?

01:25:11.760 The problem with tampon Tim, it's hard to say.

01:25:13.980 Yeah.

01:25:14.520 In other words.

01:25:15.080 It's a mouthful.

01:25:15.760 It's a lot.

01:25:16.800 Yeah.

01:25:17.020 And you can't stutter it through when you follow.

01:25:21.120 Look, it's really a lousy word to say.

01:25:23.320 Yeah.

01:25:23.960 But it's quite accurate, right?

01:25:26.200 There are some, like, comrade Kamala.

01:25:31.560 It's a little hard to say.

01:25:32.780 She's comrade because she's obviously a communist.

01:25:35.180 Yeah. 1.00

01:25:35.460 She's horrible. 0.94

01:25:36.560 So I call her comrade. 0.97

01:25:38.040 Yeah, yeah.

01:25:38.500 And it's not bad.

01:25:40.080 But when you put the names together, it's a little, you've got to be able to phew.

01:25:46.460 No, you've got to be able to put it out there.

01:25:48.900 I mean, honestly, like, he'll talk to you about anything.

01:25:53.000 He'll tell you how he comes up with the nicknames.

01:25:54.760 By the way, the name of the podcast is Flagrant.

01:25:57.260 Glenn.

01:25:59.140 Well, just two things about that, Megan.

01:26:01.360 One is, the Pocahontas thing is exactly the kind of thing I was just talking about.

01:26:05.600 I remember all liberals believed that him calling Elizabeth Warren Pocahontas was somehow racist.

01:26:11.960 When, in fact, he was mocking her racism for having claimed Native American status to advance her career when she, in fact, was not Native American.

01:26:21.420 Pocahontas wasn't mocking Native Americans, actual Native Americans.

01:26:24.940 It was mocking Elizabeth Warren for pretending to be one when she wasn't.

01:26:28.700 She is a pretendian. 0.97

01:26:32.560 Exactly.

01:26:33.460 The other thing is, I find this so interesting, is I've seen a lot of this, having worked with Rumble now for a while, and kind of delved more into this sort of subcultures on the internet.

01:26:44.060 Fame is now so fragmented.

01:26:45.520 There are a lot of people who have a lot of influence and a lot of fame who most people who work in mainstream media have never heard of, let alone even talked about.

01:26:56.240 There's this whole kind of subculture on the internet with people who have millions and millions of viewers, way more than most people on television, and they're unknown.

01:27:05.160 I guarantee if you ask most people who work in media or politics who Andrew Schultz is, they would have no idea, even though he commands a gigantic audience or Theo Vaughn, people like this.

01:27:14.460 It's a really interesting thing, and younger people in particular have no idea who, say, George Stephanopoulos is, but you ask them who Kai Sinat is or iShow Speed, and those are their celebrities.

01:27:27.140 Those are the people who they listen to, and the internet has really fragmented fame in this way that I think is super interesting, and Trump has been going on those shows, I think, oriented by Barron, who listens to them, because that's who young people listen to in a way that has been really effective.

01:27:41.980 That's a good point.

01:27:42.860 Meanwhile, Tampon Tim went over.

01:27:47.420 He gave some speech last night, and they put him next to some gamer.

01:27:50.620 This is Harris' response to the Trump appeal to young men.

01:27:54.180 They put him next to a gamer who was playing the game online in a split screen next to Tim Wall.

01:28:00.280 So I'll just show you a little bit of what this—none of us totally understood this.

01:28:03.720 Here it is.

01:28:05.180 I hear this.

01:28:06.700 I don't know.

01:28:07.380 I don't really like Donald Trump's personality, but I like his proposals.

01:28:10.060 Which ones?

01:28:10.880 Tax cuts to billionaires?

01:28:12.520 Taking away women's reproductive rights? 1.00

01:28:14.440 Not dealing with climate change?

01:28:16.060 Not having a plan for immigration?

01:28:20.280 Okay.

01:28:21.660 I'm not sure that's the same thing.

01:28:23.840 I'm not sure that's going to get it done with a young man, Glenn, but that's what they're doing.

01:28:26.880 I mean, you can go and try and speak to certain voters if you're a natural the way Trump is.

01:28:35.140 Like, he fits in very well with those shows.

01:28:37.200 He talks about the same things they talk about in the way that he talks about them.

01:28:40.700 If you do it, though, in a way that's totally condescending, like,

01:28:44.340 hi, I'm Tim Waltz in my relax mode, here to talk to you young people while I game.

01:28:49.140 And it comes off as super cringy.

01:28:50.760 I remember the 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign really believed that if they dragged Lena Dunham around everywhere, 1.00

01:28:56.080 and remember she took over Hillary Clinton's Instagram account, 0.88

01:28:58.900 that this is going to be the thing that was going to propel all these young people to go out in droves and support

01:29:03.280 because they see Lena Dunham as the representative.

01:29:05.720 And if Hillary hung around with her enough, it's so out of touch.

01:29:10.760 Like, you either have that ability or you don't.

01:29:13.240 And in those two clips, you see who has it and who doesn't.

01:29:16.880 It's so true. 0.84

01:29:17.980 Oh, my gosh.

01:29:19.400 Here I am.

01:29:20.160 I'm a normal person.

01:29:21.220 By the way, the Andrew Schultz MK episodes are episode number 74 and 358.

01:29:27.540 74 and 358.

01:29:29.180 So funny.

01:29:29.920 Okay.

01:29:30.100 So let me keep going because on the subject of Trump's humor, I'll tell you this.

01:29:35.620 When I went and interviewed him in September of last year,

01:29:38.060 one of the comments I made on this show when we were debriefing about it after the fact was

01:29:42.220 how Trump does meander.

01:29:44.500 You know, he meanders.

01:29:45.340 You ask him a question about, you know, this pen.

01:29:48.180 And then we're meandering down a lot of lanes.

01:29:50.820 But I made the point he always comes back and answers your question about the pen like he does.

01:29:56.780 He uses his opportunity to answer, to say the things he wants to say,

01:30:00.860 the things that are on his mind, whatever.

01:30:03.220 But he will get back to you on that pen at the end.

01:30:05.560 And this came up in the Andrew Schultz interview yesterday.

01:30:10.020 I've never heard him describe it quite this way.

01:30:12.060 Take a listen to SOT 11.

01:30:14.500 You know, I do a thing called a weave.

01:30:16.180 I don't ramble.

01:30:17.520 If I saw the story, what you do is you weave things and you do it.

01:30:21.940 You need an extraordinary memory because you have to come back to where you started.

01:30:25.480 Yes.

01:30:26.020 A weave is only good if you come back. 1.00

01:30:27.700 They will give you credit for that.

01:30:28.280 That's true.

01:30:28.720 You can go all the way over here and then get back.

01:30:30.740 I can go so far here or there and I can come back to exactly where I started.

01:30:36.680 Now, someday when you don't come back to where you started.

01:30:39.960 You're Biden.

01:30:40.580 Then you're not.

01:30:42.960 You're Biden.

01:30:45.120 The weave.

01:30:46.220 He's been kind of defensive about his rambling because he's been taking criticism and sometimes

01:30:50.400 he does ramble.

01:30:51.200 But it's interesting to hear him like own it, right?

01:30:54.500 It's not like Kamala with like, I am the strength and he is the weakness.

01:31:01.440 He's like, let me talk to you about the things people are saying about me.

01:31:06.300 I mean, I really think this is the key thing going on in this election.

01:31:10.260 And it's been the key to Trump since he's emerged, which is the one thing you get from

01:31:15.600 polls is that everybody hates politicians.

01:31:17.680 They hate the political class.

01:31:19.120 They hate establishment institutions.

01:31:20.440 That's undeniable.

01:31:21.540 Well, obviously, Trump, in the beginning, there was this incredible novelty to him because

01:31:26.980 he acted and spoke like no other person did who had a chance to be president, let alone

01:31:31.060 who became one.

01:31:32.460 After eight years, maybe that novelty has worn off some.

01:31:35.540 People are not as excited by it.

01:31:37.960 But even still, after being president, having run three times, the way he speaks, the things

01:31:44.220 he's willing to say, the way he's willing to joke about things, it's so radically different

01:31:49.040 than almost any other politician that if you hate politicians, if you hate the political

01:31:53.860 class, you see on the one hand, Kamala Harris, who's the living, breathing embodiment of the 1.00

01:31:59.560 establishment, that every word that comes out of our mouth seems calculated, even when 0.91

01:32:03.240 it's inept on the one hand.

01:32:05.060 And then you see Trump being able to go on to be shows and just speak in the most, you 0.96

01:32:09.600 know, the way ordinary people speak and without any concern for the impact of what he's saying.

01:32:14.420 And that continues to be his greatest strength.

01:32:17.300 He doesn't care.

01:32:18.540 He'll be self-deprecating.

01:32:19.840 He'll kind of, he's in on it.

01:32:21.740 He's in on the jokes about him.

01:32:23.360 He's mocked his own hair.

01:32:25.100 They asked him about his truthfulness on the podcast, too, in a good exchange, SOT 14.

01:32:31.660 I'll tell you what bothers me.

01:32:33.240 Kamala the other day said he is against IVF.

01:32:37.860 And everybody knows that that's false.

01:32:40.740 She has an add-on that I'm against IVF.

01:32:42.740 She knows it's untrue. 0.99

01:32:44.500 She has an add-on that bloodbaths, she lied about many things, and she's a liar. 1.00

01:32:50.360 There should be some kind of a rule when they know it's a lie, you can't do a commercial 0.79

01:32:55.620 on it.

01:32:56.140 I have a hard time doing it to them because I'm basically, you know, I'm basically a

01:33:01.180 truthful person.

01:33:02.860 But frankly, she's given me so much ammunition, I don't really have to. 0.99

01:33:10.780 I mean, she's a radical left lunatic who will destroy our nation. 1.00

01:33:16.940 I have to say, I appreciated it. 0.97

01:33:18.860 I appreciated the basically.

01:33:20.500 That's Trump with a wink and a nod saying, I'm still a politician.

01:33:24.040 And I, you know, I know who I am.

01:33:26.760 But I honestly, that's the irony of Trump.

01:33:29.440 You put down like Trump's lies next to Kamala's lies.

01:33:32.820 And Kamala's lies is as long as Santa's scroll. 0.85

01:33:36.300 I mean, it just goes on and on and around the world.

01:33:39.200 Trump does lie.

01:33:40.180 There's no question.

01:33:41.500 But he's not like she is.

01:33:43.500 And never mind her running mate where who can't even open his mouth without giving us another

01:33:48.300 lie.

01:33:51.120 And also, yeah, I what I think is I'm not known necessarily ready to say there's a gigantic

01:33:56.780 difference in the quantity of lies that Democrats tell and Trump tells.

01:34:00.140 But what I think is important is that, as you say, it's the self-awareness. 0.73

01:34:07.140 The Democrats, pretty much as their defining trait, are so sanctimonious.

01:34:12.040 They're so self-righteous.

01:34:14.060 They would never engage in self-deprecating humor in that way, like a wink and a nod about

01:34:18.100 health because they think they really are the living, breathing embodiment of benevolence

01:34:23.320 and nobility and all things good in the world.

01:34:26.020 Whereas Trump doesn't put on that air, he's willing to kind of joke about himself, even

01:34:31.520 in those moments where he's saying things that he knows might not be true.

01:34:34.840 There's a kind of a winking cynicism to it.

01:34:37.520 And I think that's why he just comes across as so much more likable.

01:34:43.840 Yeah, I agree with you.

01:34:45.200 And I don't know what the delta is between the two of them, but her lies are all over the

01:34:49.820 airwaves.

01:34:50.260 He's exactly right.

01:34:51.280 And she'll lie about things that have been debunked over and over and over.

01:34:54.260 She just doesn't, she doesn't care. 0.71

01:34:57.560 Here is the last thing that I wanted to show you.

01:35:00.980 He told a story, Andrew Schultz asked him a story about Don Jr. that he got from Don Jr.

01:35:06.280 And here's that exchange, SOT 15.

01:35:09.500 I would drive him crazy.

01:35:11.460 No drugs, no alcohol, no cigarettes.

01:35:14.620 I would say that.

01:35:15.300 Did you say that to Don Jr.?

01:35:16.820 Yeah, Don's a pretty little wild.

01:35:18.320 He told me a funny story.

01:35:22.000 And he said to me, he goes, once he asked if he could have a couple of friends over for

01:35:26.600 New Year's, was it New Year's?

01:35:27.960 No, no, it was July 4th.

01:35:28.860 Right.

01:35:29.180 On top of Trump Tower.

01:35:30.220 Right.

01:35:31.040 Five friends.

01:35:31.560 And you said yes.

01:35:31.840 He's like, I want five friends.

01:35:32.940 You're like, okay, I'm out of town.

01:35:34.020 Go for it.

01:35:35.320 He brings 200 people over to Trump Tower.

01:35:37.800 Okay?

01:35:38.260 That's right.

01:35:38.700 He says that you weren't supposed to be there.

01:35:41.600 You end up showing up.

01:35:43.540 You hear some noise upstairs.

01:35:45.860 You come up. 0.99

01:35:46.840 You go, what the fuck is everybody doing here? 1.00

01:35:48.920 Get the hell out of my house. 1.00

01:35:50.440 He said he cleaned for the next 36 hours.

01:35:53.140 And he said, to this day, you have never brought up that it even happened.

01:35:58.480 And he said, I'm starting to believe it might not have happened.

01:36:03.720 So can you give him closure?

01:36:06.360 No, it happened.

01:36:06.960 No, I can never give closure.

01:36:08.700 You can.

01:36:11.880 Here's the follow-up, too.

01:36:13.040 Don Jr. tweeted it out after the fact.

01:36:15.720 True story.

01:36:16.680 He literally never even brought it up ever again.

01:36:20.360 I waited for weeks, waiting for the shoe to drop.

01:36:23.340 My father never even mentioned it again, which was such a worse punishment than literally anything

01:36:27.920 he could have done to me at the time.

01:36:29.580 LOL.

01:36:30.780 Those are nice moments.

01:36:31.940 You will never, ever hear about that side of Trump from this media, which is, I mean,

01:36:37.640 literally out right now with the piece in the Atlantic by never Trumper in chief Tom Nichols,

01:36:45.320 talking about how he's the he electing him would be the end of George Washington's vision for the presidency and the United States. 0.94

01:36:56.720 He's vengeful, emotionally unstable, convicted felon, insurrectionist, admirer of foreign dictators, a racist, a misogynist. 0.70

01:37:05.240 His desires are to return to office as an autocrat. 0.94

01:37:09.180 He's left no doubt about his intentions.

01:37:11.720 His deepest motives are about his ego and to punish his enemies and place himself above the law.

01:37:17.960 They don't see a man, a dad, anything resembling a human there at all.

01:37:25.160 It's a caricature. 0.99

01:37:27.680 And the reason is, is because they sit in a closed information circle and they reinforce all the time for each other, to each other, that Trump is this sort of completely sociopathic monster. 0.86

01:37:39.640 I've had the opportunity to spend time with Don Jr. and a couple of other members of Trump's family.

01:37:44.020 And at the end of the day, when you have five adult children and they all clearly are loyal to you, your grandkids are loyal to you, that doesn't happen automatically.

01:37:54.880 A lot of adult kids grow up and dislike their parents, have not, you know, people denounce their parents.

01:38:00.220 Trump has had none of that.

01:38:01.800 So whatever else you want to say, he clearly is somebody who has earned the respect and the love of his family.

01:38:07.880 And for me, when you're judging someone's character, that is one of the most relevant factors there is, because, as you know, as a parent, it's not that easy.

01:38:17.160 You know, you have to be a good parent.

01:38:19.260 Sometimes you have to be hard with your kids.

01:38:21.300 So you look at Donald Trump, whose family obviously adores him, and you look at the caricature that liberals constantly create of him, and there's no connection whatsoever.

01:38:30.580 And even the fact that he could have joked about Donald Trump Jr. that way in his party, most people would be like, oh, no.

01:38:35.860 So he's never had a party like that.

01:38:38.180 He was like, yeah, he had a party like that.

01:38:39.680 He's kind of wild.

01:38:41.560 Just that is so authentic in terms of other than like, oh, no, my kids are model children.

01:38:47.440 You know, people understand the realities in families.

01:38:50.400 And it's just, again, part of his willingness to speak in a way that's not very calculated.

01:38:55.760 It's super fun to think about Donald Trump, especially back in that day and age when Don Jr.

01:39:00.120 would have been a teenager coming up and walking into that.

01:39:03.660 But I'll end with this one, which is kind of a nice moment, Sat 17.

01:39:07.660 So how do you instill the ambition in the kids?

01:39:10.140 Well, you know, I've seen a lot of wealthy families where the kids are mostly don't work out too well.

01:39:16.760 Some don't turn out to be bad kids, but they end up hating the father or the father maybe wanted him in business.

01:39:22.660 I mean, I have one father that's very competitive with his son.

01:39:26.020 He's, if the son were more successful than him.

01:39:29.220 He would hate it.

01:39:29.660 He would be unhappy. 0.99

01:39:31.580 I said, are you crazy? 0.93

01:39:32.880 It's supposed to be the other way around. 0.78

01:39:34.240 That's awesome.

01:39:34.960 My father was so proud of me.

01:39:36.800 He was he was a successful guy.

01:39:38.800 But my father wanted me to be more successful.

01:39:42.320 I mean, he was so proud of all the things.

01:39:43.880 I wish he could have seen what happened.

01:39:46.660 Oh, that's kind of sweet.

01:39:48.400 There's a there's a human in there.

01:39:49.540 Glenn, I got 15 seconds left.

01:39:51.040 I'll give him to you.

01:39:51.680 I mean, I'm sure you've thought about those things with your kids.

01:39:56.120 I know I thought about them with mine.

01:39:57.720 And so there's no way to think that the fact that he's given so much thought to that sort of thing, the fact that he's navigated through it, it shows a humanity that typically people refuse to acknowledge.

01:40:07.580 That's right.

01:40:09.260 And they need to because a man's had his life almost taken twice now in as many months.

01:40:14.760 Glenn, what a pleasure.

01:40:16.260 As always, still our number one guest, number one, most frequent and beloved.

01:40:20.980 Thanks so much for being here.

01:40:21.880 I intend to keep it that way, Megan.

01:40:23.320 Thanks for having me on.

01:40:24.900 Awesome.

01:40:26.120 Tomorrow on the show, the man you've heard me mention multiple times today, Mark Halpern, will be here along with his buddies, Sean Spicer and Dan Turrentine.

01:40:32.480 Don't miss that.

01:40:34.040 Thanks for listening to The Megyn Kelly Show. 0.94

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 10, 2024

Expectation vs. Reality of Harris’ Campaign Strategy, Hurricane Drama Between Harris and DeSantis, with Glenn Greenwald ｜ Ep. 913

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