The Megyn Kelly Show - Explosive Doug Emhoff Assault Allegations, and MSNBC Producer Caught Telling the Truth, with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 907

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.740 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:47.420 Wow, we have a lot to get to today, including the latest on second gentleman, Doug Emhoff.

00:00:52.860 And I really, I use that term gentleman loosely, who has responded sort of and denied

00:00:59.680 sort of the allegations of abuse that were broken by the Daily Mail.

00:01:05.640 There have been two stories broken by the Daily Mail about Doug Emhoff now, one of which

00:01:12.420 he was forced to admit involving him cheating on his first wife with his child's nanny and

00:01:20.020 getting her pregnant.

00:01:20.820 And now, thanks to report number two, we finally learned, we believe, what happened to that baby.

00:01:27.660 And we've also learned about a new allegation that he physically abused a girlfriend, a reportedly

00:01:35.660 successful, powerful, beautiful attorney who he was dating two years prior to meeting Kamala Harris.

00:01:43.240 And now he's, again, sort of issued a denial.

00:01:48.880 It is the lamest denial I've seen from a public figure involved in a scandal in quite some time.

00:01:54.960 And most of the corporate media is completely ignoring the story.

00:02:00.820 We are not going to do that here.

00:02:03.080 Joining me now, Maureen Callahan.

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00:03:11.260 Maureen, great to have you.

00:03:12.380 What a day to have you.

00:03:13.500 We were going to have Tim Dillon today.

00:03:15.020 He has COVID.

00:03:15.800 So we're going to rebook Tim because he's not feeling well.

00:03:18.500 And that worked out just fine.

00:03:20.180 Love, Tim.

00:03:20.720 But it's a newsy day and we have a lot to go over.

00:03:23.740 And you guys at the Daily Mail have been doing all of the news breaking on this story.

00:03:27.760 So here is the denial.

00:03:31.960 And we'll get into the specifics of the allegation, although this audience knows about them because we reported them the other day.

00:03:39.260 His denial that he, quote, forcefully slapped his ex-girlfriend in 2012 outside of some con black tie event in France is as follows.

00:03:52.720 From a spokesperson who is not named.

00:03:55.960 We don't have a name.

00:03:56.760 We have a spokesperson telling Semaphore, not the Daily Mail, Semaphore, quote,

00:04:01.720 This report is untrue, which means absolutely nothing.

00:04:08.400 It could be that one word should have been or instead of and.

00:04:13.380 They have an age wrong. 0.81

00:04:15.120 The date was wrong.

00:04:16.160 We weren't actually at that hotel.

00:04:18.580 We have no idea what this report is untrue refers to.

00:04:23.660 And then they add any suggestion that he would or has ever hit a woman is false.

00:04:31.840 Now, I will tell you, Maureen, this audience knows that I'm obsessed with Phil Houston.

00:04:36.340 CIA guy, 25 years, invented their deception detection methods that are used by the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, law enforcement all over this country.

00:04:48.400 And I've not only read Phil's book, but had him on the show many times, countless times.

00:04:52.320 And I've taken his class.

00:04:54.920 And one of the things he teaches you is that statements like any suggestion that he would or has ever hit a woman is false are exactly the kind of non denials denials that indicate falsehood, that indicate a liar.

00:05:14.200 If I said to you, Maureen Callahan, did you ever beat the shit out of a professional, successful attorney in Cannes, France, you would say no, never.

00:05:28.000 It would not be any, through a spokesperson, unnamed, any suggestion that I have ever hit a woman or would hit a woman is false.

00:05:39.120 You, as a truth teller, would run toward the facts, toward them.

00:05:44.200 You would say, I was in Cannes, France, this is my girlfriend, let's find videotapes.

00:05:48.440 They won't show me hitting anyone.

00:05:51.320 Let's go to, I'll release my emails with this person after our affair ended.

00:05:56.080 Absolutely no accusations.

00:05:58.320 You, you would be like, I am an open book because I did not do the thing.

00:06:02.760 It would not be some amorphous, passive voice.

00:06:07.000 Any suggestion that it's ever happened is false through the, it's, I'm telling you, it's a lie.

00:06:14.320 You can tell it's a lie by the way it is worded.

00:06:17.220 That is my opinion.

00:06:18.100 And, meantime, complete blackout by everyone in the media about this.

00:06:27.580 And I do mean everyone.

00:06:29.800 Hats off to Chris Cuomo, who gave it some coverage.

00:06:34.480 But even Semaphore did not do anything on the story until they got the denial from him.

00:06:40.280 Washington Post, New York Times, you name it.

00:06:43.820 No one will touch this thing with a 10-foot pole, even though they have three, count them, three, anonymous to us, but not to the Daily Mail, friends of hers, professionals, who have gone on record with the Daily Mail that this happened.

00:06:59.420 They know this professional, a successful attorney, very well.

00:07:02.720 And they've provided receipts, airline tickets.

00:07:06.300 In the moment, testimonials of this woman calling, in particular her male friend, while she was still reportedly terrified that he might continue the assault.

00:07:16.800 Maureen, what do you make of it?

00:07:19.500 There is so much to dig into here, Megan.

00:07:22.280 And I'm so glad that you have picked up on this story and are running with it, because, as you just said, the rest of the media has ignored it completely.

00:07:33.260 And this was a conversation I was having with my editor as I was working on this column about this assault, attack, whatever.

00:07:42.840 Who's going to pick it up?

00:07:44.760 Are we going to get this story should have legs on it for days?

00:07:49.240 And, of course, nobody picked it up.

00:07:51.700 Now, to your point, we have three incredible sources, highly powered, intelligent members of the elite who she told about this, two contemporaneously, one of whom, a New York City businessman, she called after she claims Doug Emhoff, smacked her in the face so hard that she spun around.

00:08:19.600 Think about the force that takes.

00:08:21.820 Secondly, this was outside an A-list gala.

00:08:25.480 It was the Amphar Annual AIDS Foundation Research Benefit.

00:08:31.000 A lot of stars there.

00:08:33.020 This is something he did on the valet line.

00:08:36.180 Imagine what he does in private if he's capable of doing something like this in public.

00:08:40.660 The call that this accuser made was seconds after he smacked her in the face, a humiliation that is meant to humiliate as well as inflict pain.

00:08:53.020 She crawls into a cab.

00:08:56.120 She's trying to get away from him.

00:08:58.060 She says he opens the door and climbs in right after her.

00:09:01.400 So she makes this phone call to her male friend in New York City, as she says, protection, to make him aware that there is a man on the other end of this phone who's going to hear everything that goes down.

00:09:15.220 Now, you are telling me on the heels of the nanny story, which the media has minimized.

00:09:22.500 They're still calling him a wife guy.

00:09:24.940 Jen Psaki of MSNBC still does that incredibly disgraceful interview. 1.00

00:09:32.020 Oh, what does it feel like to be a man who supports women?

00:09:34.620 Are you kidding me?

00:09:36.260 That's a question.

00:09:37.340 She does that after the Daily Mail reported and he admitted that he banged the nanny while married to his first wife and got her pregnant after it.

00:09:46.880 We'll play it just so those who haven't seen it.

00:09:48.980 And knowing all of that, Jen Psaki does this when she gets Doug Emhoff in her studio.

00:09:56.080 An interesting part of how people have talked about your role here is how your role has reshaped the perception of masculinity.

00:10:03.200 And I'm not sure you planned on that, but you are an incredibly supportive spouse.

00:10:07.460 Has that been an evolution for you?

00:10:09.120 And do you think that's part of the role you might play as first gentleman?

00:10:13.880 It's funny.

00:10:14.960 I've started to think a lot about this.

00:10:16.960 I've always been like this.

00:10:18.400 My dad was like this.

00:10:19.980 And to me, it's the right thing to do, you know, support women.

00:10:24.280 When we lift up women, we support women, whether it's pay equity, child care, family leave and all these issues that, you know, this post-Dobbs hellscape, women should not be less than.

00:10:37.540 There's a pop culture phrase, wife guy, which you've kind of been known as. 0.95

00:10:41.360 Are you familiar with this?

00:10:42.380 I've heard about it.

00:10:43.300 As called a wife guy, a proud wife guy.

00:10:46.100 How do you feel about that?

00:10:47.200 Well, if I do something annoying to Kamala and she gets upset, I'll just show her that article.

00:10:54.220 Maureen.

00:10:54.880 I have no words.

00:10:56.780 I have no.

00:10:57.260 I mean, Megan, when you look at that, what do you say?

00:10:59.500 Like, you talk a lot about the death of traditional media.

00:11:04.960 I mean, we're seeing it right there in real time.

00:11:07.640 This is a woman who is interrogating him and failing us, her fellow women. 1.00

00:11:14.840 Forget about journalism.

00:11:16.240 What is she doing there?

00:11:17.400 What on earth is she doing?

00:11:19.660 I also want to just add that in this woman's detailed version of events as related to these three sources, the evidence that the mail collected is copious, detailed, legitimate.

00:11:34.680 She says that Doug Emhoff, about two months before this all went down.

00:11:40.980 So this happened in May 2012.

00:11:42.300 In March of 2012, they began seeing each other in March of 2012.

00:11:45.300 He mentioned the nanny to her.

00:11:47.900 And he did it in a way that was free of shame, free of regret.

00:11:52.300 It was just this niggling factoid that was part of his past. 0.97

00:11:56.060 And in his version of events, she may have fabricated this pregnancy to extort him for $80,000.

00:12:06.660 She later learned that the nanny had told people that his aggression, his anger, he yelled, he did something, in her estimation, caused her to lose that pregnancy.

00:12:23.000 Now, there is a police report, an LAPD police report, that lines up with the time that the nanny would have been pregnant that was designated a level three response.

00:12:37.640 That's a life-threatening emergency, lights on, sirens going.

00:12:42.780 They respond to the place where the nanny was living at the time.

00:12:45.980 Other than that, there is nothing available about that police report, who was involved, what happened, how it was resolved.

00:12:56.140 That is so chilling.

00:12:58.360 All of that is in the Daily Mail's second report on Doug Emhoff, which hit on October 2nd.

00:13:04.320 And that business about the nanny is so critical, because let me tell you what's not denied in Doug Emhoff's unnamed spokesperson's or the campaign's unnamed spokesperson's statement to Semaphore.

00:13:20.340 That, that he paid the nanny $80,000 to sign an NDA that was not broken in the first Daily Mail report a month earlier.

00:13:31.620 This is new, that he paid her $80,000 to sign an NDA, and that the nanny, according to Doug Emhoff, as told to this attorney he dated, blamed him for what we now know, if this is true, was a miscarriage of the baby.

00:13:49.140 And that she thought he had been aggressive, she accused him, according to him, of being aggressive with her to the point where she lost the baby, and that the LAPD visited her home around this time in an emergency situation, and we can't find any evidence of what specifically happened.

00:14:10.680 Where is his denial of that?

00:14:13.440 It's not in there.

00:14:14.900 And I actually went on Twitter last night and added Semaphore and said, will you please go back to him, since you clearly are in touch with him and he'll speak to you, and ask for a denial on that.

00:14:26.600 Let's hear what he has to say about that, because that nanny is out there. 1.00

00:14:31.820 The Daily Mail has her name.

00:14:33.140 They have her photos.

00:14:33.980 And while she may be under an NDA, there's, you know, there have been a lot of people who have broken NDAs in situations like this, if the circumstances are, you know, pressing enough.

00:14:48.540 So we'll see whether she continues adhering to that. 0.67

00:14:52.280 For what it's worth, the Daily Mail also reporting that this successful attorney he dated and allegedly beat, that's what I'm going to call it, beat.

00:14:59.000 You slap a woman open-handed, one of her witnesses says it might have been a punch, so hard you whip her around, and that's how angry you are, that she is a Democrat, and that the friends are Democrats, that they actually don't really want to even be talking about this.

00:15:16.760 But they were so disgusted with how he's being painted by Kamala Harris, her campaign, and the media, they felt like right is right, and the public must know what's real about this guy.

00:15:29.000 One hundred percent.

00:15:30.860 Now, we went to Doug Emhoff as soon as we got this story.

00:15:37.800 It took Megan four days for him to issue this sort of blanket, vague, general denial.

00:15:47.080 Why does it take four days?

00:15:48.860 As you just said at the top of your show, if I'm getting accused of something horrible that I did not do, I'm immediately just going to say, not true, and open the books.

00:15:59.000 Have a look at everything.

00:16:00.440 It's not true.

00:16:01.440 And why is Kamala getting a pass for this? 1.00

00:16:05.720 If I hear one more time, as a prosecutor, I never asked someone if they were a Republican or Democrat.

00:16:13.360 I only ever asked, are you okay?

00:16:15.640 If I hear that one more time without her being forced to answer for what seems to be an emerging pattern by her designated wife guy, as far as the way he treats women in his life who become inconvenient or who anger him,

00:16:35.160 then I really don't know what further evidence we need that the mainstream media is actively working to elect Kamala and Tim.

00:16:47.140 Let me tell you something else you'd do.

00:16:49.860 If somebody accused me or my husband of beating someone, let's go with my husband since it's not generally the case that women are beating on men. 1.00

00:17:00.380 It can happen.

00:17:01.360 But let's just say my husband got accused of beating a prior girlfriend.

00:17:06.020 You know what the first thing he would do would be?

00:17:08.560 He would call that girlfriend and have her issue a statement.

00:17:11.740 Say, this is so, I mean, assuming he were innocent.

00:17:14.200 He would say, I don't know why they're saying this.

00:17:16.460 They're trying to tear down Meg, who's running for president. 1.00

00:17:18.980 So would you be willing to put out a statement of what is real?

00:17:22.380 And any woman to whom this did not happen would say, of course, this is so absurd.

00:17:26.580 And she would put out a statement saying, would you please stop?

00:17:29.780 You know, we dated for a short time.

00:17:31.100 We're good.

00:17:31.820 Where's the statement?

00:17:33.500 Where is the statement from the Democrat attorney who he dated saying, this is bullshit, Daily Mail.

00:17:41.380 Screw you.

00:17:42.600 You've gotten it wrong.

00:17:44.520 Why are three of this woman's friends talking to the Daily Mail, giving receipts, travel receipts, that, by the way, only this woman would have? 0.58

00:17:51.580 Clearly, she gave the friends the receipts.

00:17:54.380 Because the friends don't hold on to somebody else's travel receipts from 12 years ago.

00:17:59.740 This woman clearly is not ready to deny this because I'm sure this woman, ultimately, if she does choose to speak, will say it's true.

00:18:09.920 And she's probably still angry about it.

00:18:12.800 She's reportedly got a great life.

00:18:15.080 I believe that she's moved on.

00:18:16.800 And the Daily Mail reports that she's a beautiful woman, that she's a very successful professional.

00:18:22.900 She's probably moved on to another husband at this point. 1.00

00:18:25.960 And if she really is a Democrat, Maureen, there are consequences in those circles to her if she comes forward.

00:18:34.020 Right.

00:18:34.700 The Democrats will turn on her. 0.98

00:18:37.620 She could be hurt professionally if she comes out and puts her face with this report.

00:18:41.640 They're not going to be sympathetic toward her for getting slapped in the face at Cannes.

00:18:46.040 They're going to be pissed off, she told.

00:18:50.260 You know who I want Oprah to go after? 0.99

00:18:52.900 I want Oprah to do a sit down with this woman. 1.00

00:18:55.760 I want the eyes of the most powerful public figures we have, the most so-called trusted voices.

00:19:07.240 Oprah did a very cuddly, soft focus, sit down interview with Kamala, you know, gassing her up, 1.00

00:19:14.240 convincing the women of America, this is your person to vote for.

00:19:19.800 Why not go after these two women who both have extremely disturbing stories to tell about Doug Emhoff?

00:19:31.520 Where is the New York Times, which, by the way, last weekend revisited all of Trump's accusers,

00:19:40.220 these old stories, revisited them all.

00:19:42.720 Where's the New York Times on this?

00:19:46.240 Where are any of the female op-ed writers on this? 1.00

00:19:49.620 Go find the police report.

00:19:51.280 Go find the police report.

00:19:52.800 Go interview the nanny.

00:19:53.740 Interview the nanny.

00:19:55.760 Interview the nanny.

00:19:57.360 Find out what happened to that pregnancy.

00:19:59.520 You know, NDAs, as you mentioned, in this post-MeToo landscape, a lot of those get broken

00:20:05.580 when serious allegations of assault are leveled.

00:20:10.780 And it's sort of understood that the person who signed the NDA will probably not be made to suffer

00:20:16.620 in any court for breaking it.

00:20:18.740 So I think that she-

00:20:20.300 I don't think Doug Emhoff is going to be suing her for 80 grand.

00:20:22.700 I don't think so either.

00:20:24.820 I don't think so either.

00:20:26.100 And I think it's also complete journalistic malpractice that everyone who's traveling with

00:20:32.500 Kamala, such as she travels around, is not- this is not the number one question.

00:20:37.980 How is this not the number one question?

00:20:40.820 How can you ask the women of America for their vote when your husband may have a very disturbing

00:20:48.860 pattern with women? 0.67

00:20:51.920 Let me tell you something.

00:20:53.680 When I was at Fox News, we reported- this is long before Donald Trump came for me at that

00:21:01.720 debate- we reported on his ex-wife, Ivana, claiming that Trump had raped her.

00:21:10.020 However, when they were married and the fact that she later recanted, we report- on my

00:21:15.240 show, we reported that.

00:21:16.980 Trump was very angry that we reported that and called me and yelled at me.

00:21:21.200 All of this, I reported in my book and later and elsewhere.

00:21:24.260 It's all been out there.

00:21:25.280 But my point is, I had no beef with Trump whatsoever.

00:21:28.280 I liked Trump.

00:21:29.480 But I reported that news because it hit and it was a big deal.

00:21:33.700 And Michael Cohen, Trump's top advisor at the time, defended it by saying, you can't legally

00:21:37.880 rape your wife. 0.99

00:21:40.020 When I got to NBC, we put on accusers, yes, of Trump's, also accusers of Roy Moore, who

00:21:48.420 was the Republican Senate candidate running in Alabama at the time.

00:21:53.620 There were some nine women accusing him of sexual assault.

00:21:57.100 OK, I did that, notwithstanding the fact that my sympathies have been with the right for

00:22:04.760 over a decade.

00:22:06.760 It's not that I'll always vote Republican.

00:22:08.560 It's just I'm more right-leaning in my ideology, if I have any.

00:22:13.160 And because I'm an honest reporter and I will bring you the news, whether it hurts, quote,

00:22:18.660 my side or not, who in the left wing media will be like that, will do that, will live up to

00:22:28.860 their journalistic duty and look into whether we have a possible, possible serial abuser

00:22:36.980 about to ascend to the first gentleman position with access to God knows what kind of personnel

00:22:47.100 files and opportunities and world leaders, not to mention the possible sitting president

00:22:52.480 of the United States.

00:22:53.800 Who will do their duty?

00:22:56.340 What I also love about this is the abject hypocrisy of this campaign, which, because it's so substance

00:23:06.300 free and devoid of specifics, is running on character, on good judgment, on values, morality,

00:23:17.720 ethics.

00:23:18.860 And again, they're just getting this complete pass with these very inconvenient.

00:23:26.340 Legitimate, credible accusations, and they are not being asked a single thing.

00:23:33.060 And it is so hypocritical.

00:23:35.800 And you cannot pull the wool over people's eyes this way.

00:23:39.200 Like you can try to, you know, enact a media blackout, but because the mail will report what

00:23:46.840 we find and because people like you will pick it up and run it, you know, people will see

00:23:55.420 this for exactly what it is.

00:23:57.740 And I think that you're completely right when it comes to the slow but undeniable terminal

00:24:05.740 condition the mainstream media is in.

00:24:10.880 The Daily Mail report has got, as I point out, American Express travel, travel receipts and so

00:24:20.820 on.

00:24:21.820 And it also gets into great detail about what exactly happened in Cannes that night.

00:24:28.080 You detailed, you mentioned some of it.

00:24:30.420 They call the accuser Jane.

00:24:33.180 This is Emhoff's ex-girlfriend.

00:24:35.560 Saying they had both been drinking.

00:24:38.240 There was a gigantic line for taxis.

00:24:40.460 They were trying to get out of the event.

00:24:42.600 She quote, Jane went, this is them quoting their source, the mail source she called from the

00:24:47.020 car crying.

00:24:48.820 Jane went up to one of the valet guys, offered him 100 euros or whatever to get to the head

00:24:54.520 of the line.

00:24:55.440 She told me she put her hand on his shoulder, the valets.

00:24:59.660 Doug apparently thought that she was flirting and came over and slapped her in the face. 0.98

00:25:06.220 She slapped him back.

00:25:08.120 My impression is he had a lot to drink.

00:25:10.860 She was sobbing, but she wasn't slurring her words when she called him on the phone.

00:25:14.660 Afterward, she broke up with him that night.

00:25:18.460 Now what, and Jane told a different friend, another female New York attorney about it

00:25:23.120 at the time and said his attack on her came out of nowhere.

00:25:28.920 This witness says, quote, they had dinner.

00:25:32.360 She said Doug was very charming.

00:25:33.980 It was lovely.

00:25:35.280 By this point, it was between two and 3 a.m.

00:25:37.380 Things were still raging.

00:25:38.600 The party, she means.

00:25:39.360 She was wearing four-inch heels and a floor-length gown, so it was time to go.

00:25:44.580 She said there had been no fight before he hit her.

00:25:48.960 You would have thought it was this fairy tale trip.

00:25:52.660 She put her hand on the valet's shoulder. 0.68

00:25:54.600 This is the second witness.

00:25:56.100 And as she was talking to him, Doug comes up.

00:25:59.400 She said he turned her around by her right shoulder, and she was completely caught off

00:26:03.880 guard.

00:26:04.100 He hauled up and slapped her so hard, she spun around.

00:26:08.480 She said she was in utter shock.

00:26:11.360 She was so furious, she slapped him on one side, then on the other cheek with her other

00:26:16.020 hand.

00:26:16.780 He then forced his way into the cab with her as she was trying to get away from him. 0.90

00:26:22.720 And the friend says later, she asked Jane whether Emhoff ever apologized.

00:26:33.220 She said no, but he commented about the hit she gave him.

00:26:37.740 He said he was a tennis fan, explains the friend.

00:26:41.640 All he said to her was, don't worry about it.

00:26:44.280 You got one across the court and down the line.

00:26:48.000 Unapologetic.

00:26:48.620 But the thing is, and they never saw each other again.

00:26:52.060 This is not, I wouldn't be justifying this as like, oh, they were fighting and, you

00:26:57.540 know, the tempers were high.

00:26:59.600 But the fact that this allegedly came out of nowhere, Maureen, that he saw this woman

00:27:04.920 he'd only been dating for a couple of months, place her hand on the shoulder of a stranger,

00:27:09.000 a valet, whose attention she was trying to get so they could get out of there, that that 1.00

00:27:13.880 caused such a rage and temper that in public, in front of all these celebrities you mentioned

00:27:19.080 and others or those who were at this event, he slapped her so hard she spun in her four

00:27:25.620 inch high heels is stunning.

00:27:29.080 And if there's any truth to this, I say again, it would be the lead story on every news channel

00:27:36.800 and in every publication.

00:27:38.400 If only Doug Emhoff and his spouse were Republicans.

00:27:44.000 There's no question about it whatsoever.

00:27:46.560 And it really, I find it so infuriating and saddening at the same time that this woman, 1.00

00:27:56.460 what he did to her and every little detail that you sort of really elucidated there, it

00:28:02.460 tells you a real story about who this guy really just might be.

00:28:08.140 This is somebody who was dating this woman for two months.

00:28:12.420 Not that any sort of timeline gives you an excuse for that, but they barely knew each other,

00:28:18.400 you know, and she's trying to get them out of there quickly. 1.00

00:28:23.160 And he feels that he is justified in humiliating her and assaulting her in public because what

00:28:33.700 she dared to was, did he find this an affront to his masculinity?

00:28:38.540 Did he find this somehow a humiliation?

00:28:42.020 And what is his response when he feels that way?

00:28:45.180 It's to slap a woman in the face so hard she spins around in her four inch heels. 0.99

00:28:51.780 It's amazing she didn't fall down.

00:28:54.220 And then when she tries to get away from him, oh no, you're not going to get away from him.

00:28:59.360 You're not going to humiliate me like this.

00:29:00.760 I'm getting in the car with you.

00:29:01.800 I'm going to force my way in.

00:29:03.340 Are you kidding me?

00:29:04.960 Are you kidding me?

00:29:06.580 If this were my husband, as you just said, who was being accused of such a thing, my first

00:29:15.320 thought would be to defend him because surely it cannot be true.

00:29:19.160 And it makes me wonder, the other day you were talking about how closely Kamala and Doug

00:29:27.120 were vetted because her rise was so sudden and unexpected.

00:29:32.740 And it really makes me like, my question is like, what did she know about him?

00:29:37.140 And when did she know it?

00:29:39.180 Her weirdness at the DNC with him, I was watching their body language really closely.

00:29:44.940 This was right after the nanny story broke.

00:29:48.100 She seemed very stiff with him.

00:29:50.400 She seemed very resistant to him.

00:29:52.840 She seemed angry.

00:29:54.280 And I took that to mean that this was news to her.

00:29:57.660 She didn't know any of it.

00:29:59.280 Did she know about this?

00:30:01.100 I mean, I really want to know what she knows and what she doesn't.

00:30:05.740 Because this, to me, goes to her judgment.

00:30:10.520 I look, I don't know what's true with Doug Emhoff.

00:30:14.400 I, I believe these allegations.

00:30:16.020 I'm just going to be honest.

00:30:17.240 Maybe I'll be proven wrong.

00:30:18.380 And if I am, I'll be the first to report that on this air.

00:30:21.500 But for all the reasons we've just outlined, I believe this, this happened.

00:30:25.620 Um, and I will say in my experience, and I've interviewed countless victims of spousal abuse,

00:30:34.380 uh, it doesn't tend to be a one-time thing.

00:30:37.600 It doesn't tend to be a one-time thing, especially when the rage is so intense that you would assault

00:30:44.380 somebody who's a new girlfriend to you in public when there's not even a fight.

00:30:48.460 That's, that is truly extraordinary.

00:30:50.980 So we need to get to the bottom of this man's character, given the access he's about to have

00:30:57.200 to the potentially most powerful person in the free world.

00:31:01.700 I mean, that's the job Kamala Harris is asking for. 1.00

00:31:04.440 And this man will be sleeping every night in our White House.

00:31:09.480 Is this the level of respect he has for women?

00:31:13.080 Is this the level of anger management he has?

00:31:16.080 Um, we need to know more before this person ascends any higher up the totem pole of power.

00:31:22.920 And, and, and you look back at Doug Emhoff and the complete snow job we've been getting

00:31:30.320 about his character.

00:31:31.280 I mean, that's what made the friends come out very clearly to the Daily Mail.

00:31:35.220 I'm sure they would prefer Kamala Harris as president to Trump in some ways, but they were

00:31:40.060 so disgusted reportedly at watching Jen Psaki and good morning America.

00:31:46.700 And I'll show you what they did.

00:31:47.680 And at the DNC hold him up as like the, the spousal, Mr. Rogers, just the sweetest, most

00:31:55.700 rooting for you, most gentle kind of guy that I think they felt they needed to speak out.

00:32:01.080 And we, we have been told, um, from people who know the accuser that they're disgusted.

00:32:09.940 They're disgusted by his denial.

00:32:11.880 Now that this is a reaction, new reaction to his denial.

00:32:16.160 They're disgusted by it and that they are begging her to come forward to go on the record.

00:32:22.820 I mean, obviously she is welcome here, uh, at any point and we'll be given a very fair

00:32:28.280 hearing, but that she needs to tell this story because we need to know what we're dealing

00:32:32.320 with.

00:32:32.640 But here is Maureen, let's just take a walk down memory lane.

00:32:35.440 Okay.

00:32:36.220 Here was Doug Emhoff at the DNC.

00:32:40.780 This is, this is post post the Daily Mail's first report about banging the nanny and impregnating

00:32:50.660 another woman, his child's nanny and teacher while he was married still to, to wife number

00:32:57.380 one, they put him up there and he does his aw shucks routine and all the glorification

00:33:04.120 of the media happens thereafter.

00:33:05.600 Here he was in a speech almost universally praised by the media.

00:33:11.380 As I got to know her better and just fell in love fast.

00:33:16.620 I learned what drives Kamala and it's what you've seen over these past four years and

00:33:25.220 especially these past four weeks.

00:33:28.620 She finds joy in pursuing justice.

00:33:33.020 She stands up to bullies just like my parents taught me to, and she likes to see people do 0.79

00:33:39.060 well, but hates when they're treated unfairly.

00:33:44.380 Then let's go.

00:33:45.980 Okay.

00:33:46.920 So first of all, thoughts on that and him at the DNC with that aw shucks routine.

00:33:51.540 Is it just me or does he sound a little drunk?

00:33:55.300 He sounds a little drunk.

00:33:56.580 Like his wife.

00:33:57.120 A little, a little slurry, a little like sliding around the points he's trying to make.

00:34:02.540 Like this is also the thing that is so incredibly exhausting.

00:34:07.940 Again, Kamala stands up to bullies. 1.00

00:34:10.480 Well, let's ask like the 90% of her staff that has fled over the past three years, because

00:34:16.780 apparently she's such a bully and she blames everybody else for not doing the reading of 0.61

00:34:23.240 the briefing books.

00:34:24.240 And I just look at this guy and I, again, I just think, what is the media doing?

00:34:30.680 I feel like they feel like, oh, this is the kind of man they, the Dems and the left-leaning

00:34:37.560 media valorize.

00:34:39.100 And they've created him out of whole cloth because I don't think this is Doug Emhoff.

00:34:45.080 Doug Emhoff, as we reported, was a lawyer who had to step away from his job, not so that

00:34:54.060 he could just fully support his wife in her political ambitions, but because his client

00:34:59.900 roster was really problematic.

00:35:02.700 Among them were an arms dealer who was selling to Afghanistan, big pharma, and a nightclub

00:35:11.320 impresario who was charged with sexual assault and sexual battery.

00:35:16.580 But the media has, as I wrote in this column, I don't understand it.

00:35:22.260 Like, it's like they presented him like a neuter.

00:35:25.360 Like, he's just a guy, like, he's a Ken doll with no genitalia.

00:35:30.600 Like, literally, he's got no balls.

00:35:33.160 He's just happy to sit in the corner and, like, you know, pedal hard while his wife makes

00:35:39.600 this run that is just, it's a joke.

00:35:43.280 It's a laugh.

00:35:44.000 And it's like, it's cool.

00:35:47.220 Like, what's cool about it?

00:35:48.360 Like, the New Yorker just ran this really weird story, you know, covering him on the

00:35:53.740 campaign trail and how all these female voters were like, oh, my God, his musical taste is 1.00

00:35:58.660 so cool.

00:35:59.660 Like, he went to the record store and he bought, like, stone roses on vinyl.

00:36:03.780 And if he likes the cure, I think I'm just going to keel over and die.

00:36:07.140 Like, this is the level of discourse that the left-leaning media is giving us vis-a-vis

00:36:16.480 Doug and his wife.

00:36:18.020 And they're both charlatans.

00:36:19.440 They're both fakes.

00:36:20.400 They're both phonies, you know?

00:36:22.420 And we've, for those who've seen that clip that's going viral with the MSNBC producer,

00:36:27.660 who's basically saying-

00:36:29.260 We'll get to that for sure.

00:36:30.360 Yeah, we're Pravda.

00:36:33.260 Her message is our message.

00:36:35.160 We're doing everything we can to help her win this election.

00:36:39.280 So who are we supposed to trust?

00:36:41.680 You can't trust what they're telling you.

00:36:45.980 Here's another example.

00:36:47.440 All right, this is Good Morning America.

00:36:50.160 Again, this is post the Daily Mail's report on the nanny and the impregnating as he's cheating

00:36:56.760 on the first wife, but pre the slap, which ABC is ignoring anyway.

00:37:02.900 They get Doug Emhoff.

00:37:04.560 And here's an example of how that went.

00:37:06.680 Stop five.

00:37:08.200 Why is New Jersey special to you?

00:37:10.900 So how have things changed for you in the past two months?

00:37:13.000 So for those who may criticize and say, well, she hasn't done that in her three and a half

00:37:18.320 years in office as vice president, do you think that's unfair?

00:37:21.660 And if she become first gentleman, what would that say about, you know, defining the gender 0.98

00:37:26.260 role and about masculinity?

00:37:29.500 That's it.

00:37:31.080 That's where they went with him.

00:37:33.880 It's so embarrassing.

00:37:35.400 It's just it's embarrassing.

00:37:36.680 And I really think I was thinking about this in revisiting the Jen Psaki interview and even

00:37:42.760 the Stephanie Rule interview with Kamala, which if you only heard it, you were missing

00:37:47.260 Stephanie's body language, which was bouncy and encouraging.

00:37:52.940 And she was smiling and nodding along as she was trying to help Kamala land the plane to

00:37:59.140 make a point, any point.

00:38:01.860 So true.

00:38:02.220 You know, I just don't think these people possess shame.

00:38:06.080 I don't think it's something that they're wired with.

00:38:09.520 I would be I would expect to be called into my boss's office and if not fired, put on probation

00:38:15.940 for a performance like that in what we are told is the most consequential election ever.

00:38:23.020 I don't I don't think this is going to work out for them, for any of them.

00:38:27.360 I don't think it's going to work out for her.

00:38:29.300 And I don't think it's going to work out for these so-called journalists watching Rachel

00:38:33.680 Maddow the other night after the Veep debate say right off the bat, one of those candidates

00:38:40.580 was polished in together and the other one won.

00:38:45.240 It's like, did we see the same thing?

00:38:49.060 Did we all just witness the same thing?

00:38:50.960 I had people texting me who do not consider themselves Republicans at all, who are out

00:38:56.480 the gate were like, holy crap, I would vote for this guy.

00:38:59.480 I would vote for J.D. Vance.

00:39:01.520 Look at this performance.

00:39:02.800 Look at what he's saying.

00:39:03.860 One of my friends said something I thought was so smart about the way in which J.D.

00:39:08.920 Vance was exhibiting adrenaline control.

00:39:13.880 I thought that was so on the money.

00:39:16.320 It's true.

00:39:16.720 Because when you looked at Walsh, who was just like there with his mouth hanging open and

00:39:22.160 clearly for a coach never watched back game film, never saw how he looks and presents

00:39:30.340 when he's not talking and how he does sound when he is talking and was not prepped to

00:39:37.840 address one of his biggest lies.

00:39:40.520 My favorite, perhaps I was at Tiananmen Square.

00:39:44.420 OK, sure.

00:39:45.800 OK, right.

00:39:46.860 I was there.

00:39:47.660 I remember the whole thing.

00:39:48.900 I almost got shot, basically.

00:39:50.620 I mean, as it turns out, the truth is he watched the Joy Luck Club that night.

00:39:54.920 That's as close as it is.

00:39:55.860 Probably and and in a in a related development.

00:40:00.100 So and this is again, it just tells you where we are.

00:40:03.980 Brian Williams, the lying liar who was almost what saw dead bodies floating by in Katrina

00:40:11.040 lie embedded with SEAL Team Six lie.

00:40:14.660 I mean, I could go on.

00:40:15.900 He is in talks with Amazon to cover election night for them.

00:40:21.980 Yes.

00:40:23.200 Oh, it's a done deal.

00:40:24.100 Steve Krakauer tells me it's a done deal.

00:40:25.520 And by the way, it's being billed as like the nonpartisan, just purely factual news

00:40:31.440 broadcast.

00:40:32.440 It's going to bring you the election results, Maureen.

00:40:34.820 You can't make it.

00:40:35.920 There's no one I trust more than Brian Williams to give me the blow by blow that night.

00:40:41.740 We're all going to be out in the bag anyway.

00:40:43.840 His name has become synonymous with lying, with self aggrandizement.

00:40:49.460 Like it's that's what Tim Walz is doing.

00:40:51.700 He's a Brian Williams.

00:40:52.540 He tells lies that either are totally pointless or that make him look better.

00:40:56.680 Those are his two favorite categories.

00:40:58.660 Yeah.

00:40:58.880 No, it's incredible.

00:40:59.720 But I do want to spend a minute.

00:41:01.160 You raise this in your piece.

00:41:02.320 You've got a great piece on this whole thing on the Daily Mail, separate from the one that

00:41:06.420 we discussed.

00:41:07.000 Um, it's out there right now.

00:41:10.100 And, uh, the headline here is Kamala Harris and her media lackeys parade her wife guy, 1.00

00:41:15.380 beta hubby Doug, Doug Emhoff as a model feminist. 0.81

00:41:18.900 So Maureen Callahan rages, how can they stay so shamefully silent now that he's accused of

00:41:24.180 hitting his ex?

00:41:24.820 Okay.

00:41:27.040 Kamala Harris, the problem for her here, other than the obvious ones are that she has painted 0.98

00:41:35.640 herself as this champion of women, women who are abused, women who are hurt by men, the,

00:41:46.860 the avenger of women who are in that position and the woman who will excoriate any man accused 0.99

00:41:55.700 of putting a woman in that position. 0.99

00:41:59.860 So what does she do now, now that she's chosen to make that a key part of her campaign, same 0.99

00:42:07.800 as she's chosen to make that a key part of her alleged professional personality. 1.00

00:42:11.540 And it got me to thinking back on that now famous cross examination.

00:42:18.000 She did of Brett Kavanaugh when she went in there, like some bad-ass prosecutor, this guy's

00:42:27.020 been accused of sexually assaulting somebody.

00:42:29.560 And I will leave this room with his balls in my back pocket because of these 30 year old 1.00

00:42:37.420 unsupported allegations, 30 year old unsupported allegations.

00:42:42.260 Here she was during the Kavanaugh hearings.

00:42:46.340 Judge Kavanaugh, have you taken a professionally administered polygraph test?

00:42:50.700 All three of the women who have made sworn allegations against you have called for an independent

00:42:55.900 FBI investigation into the claims.

00:42:58.160 So I'm going to ask you one last time.

00:42:59.700 Are you willing to ask the White House to authorize the FBI to investigate the claims

00:43:07.280 that have been made against you?

00:43:08.420 The FBI would gather witness statements.

00:43:11.040 Do you have the witness statements?

00:43:13.000 I don't want to debate with you how they do their business.

00:43:16.100 Say yes or no, and then we can move on.

00:43:17.600 We've had six background investigations over 26 years.

00:43:21.340 As it relates to the recent allegations, are you willing to have them do it?

00:43:24.500 The witness testimony is before you, no witness who was there supports that I was there.

00:43:31.880 Okay, I'm going to take that as a no and we can move on.

00:43:33.960 Do you agree that it is possible for men to both be friends with some women and treat other women badly?

00:43:46.860 Okay.

00:43:47.660 Um, this is a woman whose administration right now is parading the first spouse into cabinet meetings 0.99

00:43:56.760 and ceding control to that first, in this case, lady. 0.86

00:44:02.080 They're fine with that.

00:44:03.340 They are fine ceding control of cabinet meetings to the first spouse. 0.57

00:44:07.180 Will her husband take a polygraph?

00:44:09.880 Will her husband submit to an FBI background check when it comes to his alleged abuse of women, serial?

00:44:15.300 Will, will he, will she agree to it preemptively so we can put this matter to rest and make sure what we are

00:44:22.800 or are not getting in our White House, in our Oval Office, in our cabinet meetings,

00:44:26.880 if her boss's behavior is any sort of an example, I've got my doubts.

00:44:32.960 I couldn't agree with you more.

00:44:34.880 I think a lot about Hillary Clinton with this stuff, you know, with Bill.

00:44:40.340 And I don't know why you probably know better than I do why the media landscape has shifted so much.

00:44:47.080 I mean, it took the national news media a long time to catch on or or or actually really see that they had to cover bills,

00:44:56.320 what they called back then bimbo eruptions.

00:44:59.060 And it was like the National Enquirer was the only publication on this story with the Jennifer Flowers stuff.

00:45:04.320 And they kept trying to say she was out of her mind.

00:45:06.920 She was making it up.

00:45:08.120 She was like a political operative. 0.97

00:45:10.020 And then she emerged with the audio tapes and it was a done deal.

00:45:14.660 And I, I feel the same way about John Edwards.

00:45:17.200 Like the National Enquirer was on John Edwards and Riel Hunter and him cheating on his dying wife

00:45:23.060 and getting his mistress pregnant. 0.66

00:45:24.820 And nobody wanted to touch it until it was too big to ignore.

00:45:29.280 And we have such a short window now with this.

00:45:32.420 It feels like, you know, it feels like the shortest window ever.

00:45:36.600 It's like it's like the streaming election, right?

00:45:38.980 Like we got it's released in a theater for two weeks and then it's streaming at home and then that's it.

00:45:43.500 And it's like we got Kamala shoved down our throat and she's the one and that's it. 0.79

00:45:47.160 And we got to get her across the finish line so that Trump doesn't win this election at any conceivable cost. 0.90

00:45:53.700 And if that cost is the kinds of women that Kamala Harris loves to say she is the protector of, the warrior for, then so be it. 0.95

00:46:05.820 Women, once again, are expendable. 1.00

00:46:07.860 And I just implore every woman who is thinking about voting for her.

00:46:13.240 Like, think about what this is telegraphing to you and your worth to them as they run on abortion rights and feminism and good character because they do not give a shit about you. 0.96

00:46:27.680 Think about George Stephanopoulos.

00:46:30.600 He was the one who participated in the War Room creation against those so-called bimbos who are accusing Bill Clinton. 0.99

00:46:36.900 We know this from George Stephanopoulos himself and now he hosts this program and purports to be some champion of women.

00:46:45.180 Remember, he had Nancy Mace on there, a victim of rape herself, and he was cross-examining her on why she wouldn't condemn Trump for his alleged sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room 30 years ago.

00:46:58.940 And he was suddenly, he's now again a champion of women, even if it means excoriating an actual rape victim who's sitting there in front of you.

00:47:08.040 Where's he?

00:47:08.980 Come on, you're our champion, George.

00:47:11.080 Do your thing.

00:47:12.080 Get out there.

00:47:12.960 Call the nanny. 1.00

00:47:15.200 Call the friends.

00:47:17.060 The Daily Mail has a lot of great reporters and a lot of resources, but ABC News has a lot of resources too.

00:47:23.720 Start making some phone calls.

00:47:25.480 Get the friends on your Sunday show so you can protect a woman.

00:47:30.900 You can stand up for a woman who is claiming she was abused by someone your team is trying to put in the White House.

00:47:39.300 Do it, George.

00:47:40.340 We can't wait.

00:47:41.800 Here's the other thing.

00:47:42.680 Kamala Harris is out there.

00:47:44.880 She's told this story 10,000 times now.

00:47:47.520 You and I have talked about it, about her whole reason for becoming a DA, becoming a prosecutor.

00:47:53.680 This is how she is trying to endear herself to us with this story of her friend who was sexually abused.

00:48:03.000 Watch.

00:48:04.420 You see, when I was in high school, I started to notice something about my best friend, Wanda.

00:48:09.780 So one day I asked if everything was all right, and she confided in me that she was being sexually abused by her stepfather.

00:48:19.660 And I immediately told her she had to come stay with us, and she did. 0.82

00:48:24.160 I became a prosecutor to protect people like Wanda.

00:48:29.940 As a prosecutor, when I had a case, I charged it not in the name of the victim, but in the name of the people.

00:48:41.240 For a simple reason, in our system of justice, a harm against any one of us is a harm against all of us.

00:48:51.980 Where are those principles now, and who buried the LAPD report on the nanny?

00:49:03.200 I mean, that feels like a rhetorical question, frankly.

00:49:08.840 I mean, you know, it's astonishing.

00:49:12.700 It's astounding.

00:49:13.420 None of this is going to come back to bite her as long as the media continues to cover for her and for Dougie Doug.

00:49:20.780 And, you know, just sort of-

00:49:21.200 If the woman comes out. 0.93

00:49:22.660 If the alleged victim comes out.

00:49:25.100 Now we're talking.

00:49:27.520 If the nanny comes forward, now we're talking.

00:49:31.400 And we can only hope-

00:49:33.040 And it feels unfair because it feels like they're just going to be victimized all over again unless they go to a place like the mail or like the Megyn Kelly show where they know they're going to get a fair and full hearing.

00:49:47.740 I dare anybody to do that, honestly.

00:49:53.780 Like, on this show in particular, I have a proven track record of calling people out on this shit, irrespective of whether they are on the right or on the left.

00:50:04.300 And so I would do this and have done this for people accusing Trump, too.

00:50:09.720 And the rest of the media should do-

00:50:11.740 Do you remember the ubiquitous coverage when Russell Brand got accused by those women?

00:50:17.680 All these same media outlets that are-

00:50:20.100 They see nothing.

00:50:21.060 They hear nothing.

00:50:22.360 They were all over the Russell Brand allegations.

00:50:25.640 Where are they now?

00:50:28.200 All right, Maureen.

00:50:29.140 Stand by.

00:50:29.900 There's a lot more to get to.

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00:52:07.340 Okay, let's get into this.

00:52:09.720 The anatomy of a smear.

00:52:11.440 Recently, the disgusting lamestream media tried to take down, of all people, Rich Lowry over an appearance he made on this show.

00:52:24.940 It was a live broadcast, and I'm losing track of my news events now.

00:52:30.820 I think it was after the second assassination attempt.

00:52:34.740 Yes, it was.

00:52:35.780 We went live, as we've done with Rich, on many assassination attempts over the summer.

00:52:40.560 There's so many, and debate coverage and so on.

00:52:43.520 He's on this show a lot, and live.

00:52:45.940 We're always live.

00:52:47.120 Anyway, so in discussing at that time the Springfield, Ohio story and the migrants who had been brought there by the Biden administration, all that,

00:52:58.660 Rich flubbed his words and would later explain he was conflating the words immigrants and migrants.

00:53:07.120 And it sounded a little dicey.

00:53:09.780 It was obvious to me he had made a flub.

00:53:12.580 I'd known Rich a long time.

00:53:14.060 You'd be hard-pressed to find a more decent, honorable, good man than Rich Lowry.

00:53:19.740 He's been in the public eye for decades.

00:53:22.460 Never been accused of racism or never.

00:53:26.220 He is just totally above board in every way.

00:53:28.760 And by the way, the accusations don't make it so.

00:53:31.000 I can speak to that.

00:53:31.800 In any event, so he had a verbal flub.

00:53:35.760 He moved on.

00:53:36.720 That was it.

00:53:37.520 But those cretins at Media Matters who monitor everyone who's right of center and their broadcasts decided to pull it, put it out on the Internet, and tell the world he had said the N-word. 0.99

00:53:50.260 Here is the original clip.

00:53:51.780 The police have gone through 11 months of recordings of calls, and they've only found two Springfield residents calling to complain about Haitian migrants taking geese from pods.

00:54:05.500 Okay, so first of all, the absurdity of suggesting that Rich would have said the N-word, just so in casual use on this show on a live broadcast, like he would have, yeah, that's, sure, that's the way Rich talks.

00:54:21.380 I mean, this is what Media Matters fantasy about conservatives is, and not just Media Matters, but some in the far left.

00:54:27.660 And that I would have sat there like, sure, that's a fine word to just throw around in front of my live audience.

00:54:32.620 No problem.

00:54:33.860 And that we then would have later, because this is what we do, cut the whole segment as a podcast and released it on all podcast forums without cutting it.

00:54:44.800 Sure, let's put that word out there for everybody and put it on YouTube.

00:54:47.960 Yes, we stand by that.

00:54:49.180 And cut, like, it's just so absurd, right?

00:54:51.900 So I ignore Media Matters.

00:54:53.340 I couldn't give a shit about them other than I note them as a terrible evil force, but I don't respond to them.

00:54:58.500 So they get this going pretty much with the far left.

00:55:01.560 A couple of more mainstream people weighed in on it, but mostly to defend Rich and say, like, what are you doing?

00:55:08.980 But enter NPR.

00:55:10.900 And NPR decided to write it up as though Rich were guilty of doing it in an absolute smear of the guy.

00:55:19.280 And today they have admitted that they were wrong, that they didn't live up to their own standards, that that's not what he said.

00:55:31.180 And while there is no apology to Rich Lowry, which there should be NPR, they admit through their sort of public editor, the person who's supposed to be the liaison between NPR and its audience, that the story as originally published wasn't just unfair.

00:55:48.240 It was inaccurate.

00:55:49.520 The story told readers Lowry, quote, appeared to use the racial slur, and they make clear that is not the case.

00:55:58.300 They point out their own media editor went back and said, that's not what Rich had said.

00:56:05.300 And then they say this.

00:56:06.360 Second, after recognizing that the story was wrong, NPR should have acknowledged the changes to both the headline and the body of the story because they had updated it to try to sort of slide in his denials and the truth without acknowledging they'd smeared him.

00:56:19.960 And they should have included a formal note of clarification because readers were much more likely to come away from the original story with the belief that Lowry actually said the racial slur.

00:56:30.960 A clarification note would be a public acknowledgment that the first story fell short.

00:56:37.220 This story did not meet NPR's standards.

00:56:41.100 And they said our original story was written in a way that created more confusion to the point of being misleading.

00:56:47.460 Who was it written by?

00:56:48.900 It was written by some trans activist who goes by the first letter C, last name Mandler, who spent C's career in activism with GLAAD and other media outlets trying to be one of, you know, the very annoying trans activists who are not representative of the actual trans community, but just absolutely vicious.

00:57:15.840 They are.

00:57:16.840 They are.

00:57:17.220 I don't know C, but I can see C is also dishonest and vicious in the way C, just the letter reported for NPR.

00:57:25.940 So where does one go to get one's reputation back, Maureen?

00:57:29.340 Because Rich had not one, but two cancellations from the absolutely shameful Badger Institute, which is supposed to be a conservative organization.

00:57:39.700 Shame on you, disgusting people.

00:57:41.480 Don't you ever, ever send me an invitation to do anything for you.

00:57:45.720 And also Indiana State, neither of whom has apologized to Rich.

00:57:51.640 What do you make of it?

00:57:52.300 Rich Lowry, had he called for the Intifada, had he joined with pro-Hamas protesters, he'd be fine, he'd be lionized.

00:58:06.960 He made a conflation that was wholly innocent, and rather than being given the benefit of the doubt, and rather than actually looking at this guy's entire history, the left ran to bury him and to dance on his grave.

00:58:25.180 And it's really disgusting.

00:58:26.560 And all this really does is make people afraid, especially anyone who's not on the far left, to open their mouths.

00:58:36.820 And you and I have talked about this more than once, but I see it in my own cohort of really smart, well-read, sophisticated, well-traveled people who will only speak behind closed doors.

00:58:55.180 To a select number of their nearest and dearest about what they really think about any given topic.

00:59:03.140 Political, social, religious, cultural, whatever.

00:59:09.180 Because we are in this moment where, unless you're adhering to some really wacky shit, like, unless you're like Ta-Nehisi Coates, who is out there plugging a book that is basically like, Israel should no longer exist.

00:59:24.000 Right.

00:59:25.680 You're basically on the verge of getting canceled on any given day.

00:59:29.480 Yeah, that's exactly right.

00:59:32.960 And Rich, to his credit, wrote a defense of himself in National Review at the time, explaining that he had merged the two words.

00:59:40.980 And if you watch the segment, it's obvious that that's what happened.

00:59:44.100 And really naming, the reason we know about the Badger Institute and Indiana State is because he told us in that piece that he was getting canceled.

00:59:50.880 And the whole point of his piece was, cancel me for something that I actually said, not for something that I didn't said.

00:59:56.660 We've crossed over into new territory where you're getting canceled for something you didn't actually even say.

01:00:01.960 And NPR is admitting that its own media correspondent, who, by the way, C, C, whatever, whoever you are, C Mandler, you are not the media correspondent.

01:00:12.880 Maybe you should defer to the media correspondent because the reason David Folkenflick is the media correspondent is because he covers the media personalities in the media all the time.

01:00:23.480 And maybe he knows Rich Lowry slightly better than you do and his history, as opposed to you, C, who seems to see some white guy who you were sure to label as a conservative, a conservative in both of your pieces, and doesn't just jump to the conclusion that he's a raging racist who just drops n-bombs on any live media appearance.

01:00:47.680 But David Folkenflick, that night, was tweeting out, this is not what happened. Stop it.

01:00:54.560 And this piece by the public editor points out, oh, but the poor C didn't know.

01:01:01.100 They didn't read David Folkenflick's tweet.

01:01:03.380 Well, too bad on you, C. You suck. That's why you have a media correspondent. 0.99

01:01:06.820 Call him up and ask me if he knows anything about Rich Lowry.

01:01:09.460 All of it is so gross.

01:01:10.400 And Maureen, to my point that I was just making, both of the NPR pieces, the first one they did, which is the hit piece, and then the so-called correction.

01:01:17.980 Where they updated to include Rich's denial, and I defended him, which I think they included, and so did Andy McCarthy.

01:01:25.040 Both of them say as follows, the headline, conservative editor-in-chief appears to use racial slur.

01:01:31.920 The second one, conservative editor-in-chief says mispronunciation led to accusations of using slur.

01:01:38.680 Now, you tell me, why is it relevant what Rich's political views are?

01:01:42.300 Why do they put concern?

01:01:44.160 Is it that liberals cannot be racist?

01:01:45.800 It's clearly because this is NPR's worldview when it comes to people on the right.

01:01:51.700 No question.

01:01:52.820 This is the same outlet that, if I'm correct with the timeline, because this has been such a year of whiplash, fired the whistleblower who wrote this incredible piece, forgive me, I forget his name, this like hero's name, saying that NPR was basically spoon-feeding their worldview without adhering to actual facts.

01:02:16.800 Uri Berliner, U-Y-R-I Berliner. 0.97

01:02:20.520 Yes, that's the guy, and he was basically, the call was coming from inside the house, like, and it wasn't just philosophical, and it wasn't just about journalistic ethics, it was also about commerce.

01:02:33.960 It was, he was saying, we are shedding listeners by the day.

01:02:38.940 They don't come to us anymore because they don't believe a thing we have to say to them.

01:02:43.300 And he got fired for it.

01:02:45.360 I mean, they didn't say that was the reason, but that was the reason.

01:02:48.080 And he got rehired by the free press, which is definitely a much better home for him.

01:02:54.760 But this is why nobody listens to NPR, unless you're like a true delusional believer that all people on the right must be inherently racist, inherently sexist, inherently intellectually limited.

01:03:10.600 That's what, that's their stock in trade now.

01:03:13.340 It's so sad.

01:03:14.660 It's just sad.

01:03:15.620 And I, I just, the only good thing that comes out of this, I think, is that Rich Lowry, those two cancellations are bullshit, but that he survived this.

01:03:26.380 And I hope it's an object lesson for anyone on the left who has such an itchy trigger finger.

01:03:33.040 I mean, again, we were just talking about the litany of reasons Doug Emhoff should really be investigated, and it's just swords down.

01:03:41.700 Nobody's going for it, except for us.

01:03:43.720 And same thing here.

01:03:45.780 It's like, it's like, they'll never, the correction, you know, that old saw, the story's a headline, the correction is like a thumbnail, you know, but he survived it.

01:03:54.580 And, and, and, and that's a good thing.

01:03:57.460 That's the only good thing.

01:03:58.340 I think if you go to nationalreview.com, you'll see they're, they're actually asking for donations to send Rich on a tour to other places that didn't cancel him, you know, to support his ability to get out there, which I love.

01:04:11.320 Um, I will say it's just, it's so offensive that they would think this is how conservatives sit around and talk, you know, that they're just dropping the N word on one.

01:04:21.240 And I, I've literally never heard somebody say that word to me, you know, the only place I've ever heard that word is in rap music that comes on the show, uh, on the, on the radio, not on the show, but on the radio, right?

01:04:31.900 Like you turn, turn on Spotify and just let it play.

01:04:35.780 You hear that word on these rap songs all the time.

01:04:39.160 I mean, it's like incredible to me.

01:04:40.740 I have literally never uttered that word in my life.

01:04:43.300 I, I teach my kids.

01:04:44.720 You can't say it, can't say it.

01:04:46.440 If you read it in a book, my God, like you don't understand, like they don't know.

01:04:49.980 Then I think the natural response is like, why have we attached such power to that word to where we have to scare children?

01:04:56.900 We have to scale.

01:04:57.380 Like I realize it's deeply offensive and has a terrible history, but it's just, my God.

01:05:02.060 It's this rich almost got canceled for an accidental utterance that sounded something like it during the black lives matter thing.

01:05:10.560 We saw a New York times reporter, the COVID reporter.

01:05:13.840 He got fired because he repeated it when it was said to him in a question.

01:05:18.380 Anyway, people need to just take a breath and understand that there are not secret cabal meetings of conservatives where they're dropping the N word just because they're thrilled.

01:05:30.100 No leftist is present to report them.

01:05:32.880 By the way, it's the left that has the historical and present day problem with racism.

01:05:38.560 Okay.

01:05:39.100 Speaking of dishonest media, you referenced the clip.

01:05:41.440 So James O'Keefe, he was on the show the other day of now OMG Media, went undercover through one of his staffers, a female staffer, and got this producer for one of their weekend shows on camera.

01:05:57.080 I mean, it's admitting the obvious.

01:05:59.100 We all knew this about MSNBC, but it's still interesting to hear a producer at the network admit it, saying the following.

01:06:07.640 Watch.

01:06:07.820 So do you feel like MSNBC is doing enough to help the Harris campaign?

01:06:14.580 I mean, they're doing all they can to amplify her message.

01:06:19.920 What her message of the day is, is their message of day.

01:06:23.900 It hammers home the point that I'm making that this news network is indistinguishable from the party.

01:06:30.520 Are they just the Democratic Party's mouthpiece?

01:06:33.000 Exactly.

01:06:33.660 MSNBC is the Democratic Party's mouthpiece.

01:06:35.780 Yes.

01:06:36.260 Yes.

01:06:37.400 Yes.

01:06:38.200 So is MSNBC just like doing whatever it takes to get a lot of lucked?

01:06:42.920 Yes.

01:06:43.540 They've made their viewers dumber over the years.

01:06:46.420 Viewers get mad at the guests or the hosts if the hosts were to criticize Democrats.

01:06:51.840 Because they're so brainwashed.

01:06:53.320 Yes.

01:06:54.200 Into thinking that the Democratic Party can do no wrong.

01:06:58.160 Not that they can't do any wrong.

01:07:00.320 It's maybe they can do wrong.

01:07:02.240 I just don't want to hear about it.

01:07:03.860 Don't say it out loud.

01:07:05.320 Because if you say it out loud, it helps Trump.

01:07:08.480 I think brainwashing and dumbing down.

01:07:11.720 It's bad.

01:07:12.360 I get it.

01:07:13.440 Helps Trump.

01:07:15.700 Poor Basil Hamden.

01:07:18.140 Pro tip.

01:07:19.680 When your date sounds more like the inquisitor at a deposition and has her handbag pointed at you just so and asks you to speak into it.

01:07:27.860 Oh, a note of caution before you offer your unvarnished thoughts.

01:07:33.680 It was unbelievable.

01:07:34.440 Yeah.

01:07:34.940 And also, would you say?

01:07:36.100 Don't drink.

01:07:36.480 Yes, I would.

01:07:38.580 Would you say?

01:07:40.180 And don't drink.

01:07:41.280 Don't get so fuzzy that you're sort of spouting proudly what you're doing.

01:07:47.520 I mean, my favorite part of that clip, Megan, is when he says we're dumbing our audience down.

01:07:52.460 Like, this is the viewership that likes to feel like they're so high on their own supply of, like, moral self-righteousness.

01:07:59.140 And that every political position that's espoused by this network is the only true and correct one.

01:08:05.480 And he's basically saying we've done them down and we've brainwashed them and it's good for us.

01:08:11.100 And it's, you know, like, let's just not get Trump elected.

01:08:14.480 And the way he's smiling, he's like, he thinks it's funny.

01:08:18.960 He's kind of proud of it, it seems like.

01:08:21.100 I mean, I could watch that thing on a loop.

01:08:23.740 It's amazing.

01:08:24.300 This is all I could think of.

01:08:26.740 A couple of months ago when they were all indignant about Ronna McDaniel being hired as a contributor after she left the RNC and they acted like the devil himself had been under contract now to MS.

01:08:40.520 They all went on the air trying to get her fired, which was ultimately successful, talking about themselves and their network like they were honest Abe themselves.

01:08:51.720 They, you know, like George Washington, we cannot tell a lie here at MSNBC and we could not possibly hire someone who lies for pay.

01:09:01.100 Remember, we cut this soundbite and I resurrected here.

01:09:03.560 I want to associate myself with all my colleagues, both at MSNBC and at NBC News, who have voiced loud and principled objections to our company putting on the payroll.

01:09:16.620 Someone who hasn't just attacked us as journalists, but someone who is part of an ongoing project to get rid of our system of government.

01:09:25.080 We weren't asked our opinion of the hiring, but if we were, we would have strongly objected to it.

01:09:29.480 When NBC made the decision to give her NBC News' credibility, you've got to ask yourself, what does she bring NBC News?

01:09:37.160 We welcome Republicans. I wish more Republicans. I want Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney to get right here and come talk to me.

01:09:43.160 The reality is this isn't a difference of opinion.

01:09:46.440 She literally backed an illegal scheme to steal an election in the state of Michigan. 1.00

01:09:53.120 And our democracy is in danger because of the lies that people like Ronna McDaniel have pushed on this country.

01:09:58.480 We've also said election deniers, it's not just they can do that on our airwaves, but that they can do that as one of us, as badge-carrying employees of NBC News, as paid contributors to our sacred airwaves.

01:10:11.660 Oh my God. Sacred airwaves. Sacred airwaves with an ID badge, Maureen. That's what really sent Nicole Wallace off the deep end.

01:10:20.800 But this guy, Basil Hamden, gives it up in that clip with James O'Keefe's person.

01:10:28.860 I mean, does his badge work anymore, do you think?

01:10:32.140 Like, does he get to, like, participate in, like, these sacred airwaves going out across the nation?

01:10:38.840 I mean, by the way, is there anyone more insufferable in this moment, like, this side of Sonny Hostin, than Rachel Maddow?

01:10:46.540 It is like she has gone off the deep end.

01:10:49.700 I mean, I'm going to say Nicole Wallace is up there. I'm going to say she's giving her a run for her money. 1.00

01:10:54.700 That's fair. I think that's fair. I don't see her as much as Rachel Maddow's mug is in my face, like, all the time.

01:11:01.680 And I just, I, watching them to a one, you know, do this sort of public execution of a conservative who, you know, I believe at least when they, like, fired her before they even got her on the air, at least got all her money, it's just, again, this is, they are just, they are telling us who they are.

01:11:25.680 They are at least showing us and telling us who they are.

01:11:30.520 That's their motto. This is who we are. And we're like, we know. Yeah, we got it.

01:11:35.100 But to hear him say-

01:11:35.840 Thanks for stating the obvious, yeah.

01:11:37.840 Right. But to hear him say, like, we're doing all we can to help the Harris campaign, that we don't, we try not to say anything critical of her or it will upset our audience, explains a lot.

01:11:50.160 Like, that they're taking Harris campaign messaging and just putting it on the air every day as their news. That explains SOT 3. Let's play it again. That explains SOT 3.

01:12:02.340 An interesting part of how people have talked about your role here is how your role has reshaped the perception of masculinity. And I'm not sure you planned on that, but you are an incredibly supportive spouse. Has that been an evolution for you? And do you think that's part of the role you might play as first gentleman?

01:12:21.220 It's funny. I've started to think a lot about this. I've always been like this. My dad was like this. And to me, it's the right thing to do. You know, support women. When we lift up women, we support women, whether it's pay equity, childcare, family leave, and all these issues that, you know, this post-Dobbs hellscape, women should not be less than.

01:12:45.280 There's a pop culture phrase, wife guy, which you've kind of been known as. Are you familiar with this?

01:12:50.120 I've heard about it.

01:12:51.100 It's called a wife guy, a proud wife guy. How do you feel about that?

01:12:55.020 Well, if I do something annoying to Kamala and she gets upset, I'll just show her that article.

01:13:01.000 And by the way, Maureen, again, that was after she knew about Nannygate. This was Jen Psaki, the longer SOT, that we put in that montage. Watch her. Watch her talk about her journalism. 0.60

01:13:11.400 Some, mainly in the right-wing ecosystem, have made the comparison to others who have come from government or politics into the media, including me.

01:13:21.240 And that is a comparison I felt like I had to address.

01:13:24.700 I got into public service for the same reason that many people do, to serve the American people.

01:13:29.800 And there are many others who have followed a similar path, who I have a great deal of respect for.

01:13:35.280 But here's the thing. That kind of experience only matters and only has value to viewers, all of you, if it is paired with honesty and with good faith.

01:13:46.220 And our democracy is in danger because of the lies that people like Ronna McDaniel have pushed on this country.

01:13:53.440 Honesty and good faith.

01:13:55.300 This is a woman who, while she was Biden's press secretary, and it's worth noting, she asked Obama for that position more than once.

01:14:06.200 And he said no, because he didn't think she had what it took.

01:14:09.800 And really what he thought was that she didn't have the warmth or the congeniality to do the job.

01:14:18.060 And we saw that she would routinely snicker and smirk and roll her eyes and dismiss questions that contradicted the Biden White House's party line. 0.79

01:14:30.940 She and I feel the same way about George Stephanopoulos.

01:14:34.920 It's always boggled my mind how a news organization, a large one, a major one at that, can hire somebody whose job was to spin, spin, spin, spin, spin for their bosses.

01:14:47.800 There is a great documentary about White House press secretaries, you know, and like the spine of it is, is that they all lie.

01:14:55.300 They all lie.

01:14:56.440 They're partisans.

01:14:57.520 And they're partisans, and they get sent out by their boss often to take the bullet.

01:15:03.180 So I don't understand what she's doing in that chair.

01:15:06.980 And if for your audience who might not see that clip but hear it, she's smiling as she's asking these questions.

01:15:14.840 She is grinning from ear to ear.

01:15:16.880 She can barely articulate the words properly.

01:15:19.700 She's like practically levitating out of her chair. 0.79

01:15:22.600 She's talking to Doug Emhoff, wife guy, not the guy who knocked up the nanny, and we now know, attacked a woman.

01:15:31.740 Are you kidding me?

01:15:33.520 This is why I call her Dora.

01:15:35.700 I call her Dora the Ex-

01:15:36.660 This is my clip.

01:15:37.680 This is Jen Psaki in another forum.

01:15:39.980 It's not seven.

01:15:41.060 To dance the kitty cat dance, we need to scratch our kitty paws, stomp our feet, and wag our kitty tails. 0.98

01:15:50.120 Here we got the mermaid freak. 0.99

01:15:51.980 Yay! 0.99

01:15:54.820 That's her. 0.88

01:15:55.640 And here's another example.

01:15:57.080 Here's the real Jen Psaki, who I'm telling you, once you've seen the Dora thing, you can't unsee it.

01:16:01.860 Here's an example of her hard-hitting, honest, good-faith journalism.

01:16:05.200 Satvor.

01:16:06.460 You've also been front and center in talking about abortion rights.

01:16:09.880 Why do you think that's so important?

01:16:11.200 Do you think he's scared of debating her?

01:16:12.780 The other thing I have been thinking about a lot is how it must be for you when you see people attacking your wife.

01:16:20.080 What do you guys do when you have downtime?

01:16:21.800 Now, she's a great cook, loves to cook. 1.00

01:16:23.740 She is.

01:16:24.340 You've said she's tried to teach you to cook.

01:16:27.240 What can you cook now that she taught you?

01:16:29.300 And you also passed on advice to Gwen Walls.

01:16:32.500 What did you pass along there?

01:16:33.760 Oh, we're both speechless.

01:16:40.800 I know.

01:16:41.240 The amazing thing about this.

01:16:46.540 This is, I think, possibly the worst sin.

01:16:49.460 It just makes for really bad television.

01:16:52.020 It's really dull to watch this.

01:16:54.020 There are no intellectual sparks.

01:16:57.300 There's no conflict.

01:16:58.900 There's no, what is he going to say to this?

01:17:01.040 What is she going to ask next?

01:17:03.460 What curveball is coming?

01:17:05.320 There's no art to it at all.

01:17:07.960 It is like, it is, I don't mean to be graphic.

01:17:11.240 It's just, it feels like the left and the people who are running on the left, it's just this

01:17:18.400 constant circle jerk of how great they all are.

01:17:22.960 It's nauseating.

01:17:25.060 And it is a public disservice on a grand scale.

01:17:28.320 And running cover, nonstop running cover for these Dems.

01:17:32.220 Look at Joe Scarborough.

01:17:33.880 This was, is this this morning, you guys?

01:17:36.000 Or yesterday morning?

01:17:38.820 On the subject of, it's today, Kamala Harris supporting using our taxpayer dollars to pay

01:17:46.280 for sex change operations and medicines for prisoners, serial killers.

01:17:52.580 She wants you and me to pay for their sex change operations and illegals. 1.00

01:17:58.800 She, it's in her own hand.

01:18:00.560 She wrote it to the ACLU in 2019.

01:18:03.220 That's not 2000.

01:18:06.400 That's not 24 years ago.

01:18:08.820 2019 is five years ago.

01:18:10.860 She was running for president. 0.97

01:18:12.660 It was important to state your real beliefs.

01:18:15.420 And here's how Joe Scarborough dealt with that on MSNBC, the DNC's mouthpiece this morning.

01:18:21.480 By the way, just for people that are watching, going, wait, how could they not?

01:18:26.580 How could they not vote for Kamala Harris?

01:18:28.920 What they're seeing, and I saw it this weekend while I was watching football games, commercial

01:18:32.860 after commercial after commercial after commercial of Kamala Harris in 2019 saying that she supported

01:18:38.320 federal funding for transition operations.

01:18:42.060 She's a radical.

01:18:43.120 She's a communist.

01:18:44.200 Well, and they get quotes from her in 2019 where she was trying to be more woke than anybody

01:18:50.280 else, uh, in, in 2019.

01:18:53.220 And I think the campaign's done a good job cleaning a lot of that stuff up.

01:18:57.480 They need to look at the commercials that are being run over and over and over again.

01:19:02.260 What is he, what they have not even denied it.

01:19:05.300 All her campaign spokesperson said was that's not a position she's espoused in this campaign.

01:19:11.420 Well, what is that?

01:19:12.900 That is not a denial or a rejection.

01:19:16.040 Right.

01:19:16.600 It's, it's a, it's a, it's like she put her foot on the brake for a moment.

01:19:20.080 I mean, like, okay.

01:19:21.900 Kamala Harris clearly believes that no matter who you are, whether you're a murderer, what

01:19:26.960 have you, that everybody needs to have the right to self-actualize.

01:19:31.460 You know, this is amazing to me, amazing to me.

01:19:35.980 She can't run away from it.

01:19:38.720 So the media just won't acknowledge it except for, you know, those helpful handmaidens such

01:19:45.780 as Joe Scarborough, who will clean up on aisle nine for her.

01:19:50.560 Um, and this is the level of discourse we're going to get.

01:19:53.200 And I have really low, low hopes for what we're going to see with her on 60 minutes,

01:20:01.780 because I think it's going to be more of the same.

01:20:04.760 It's going to be a barnyard slop heap of saliva dripping out of whatever reporter has been 0.98

01:20:11.760 tasked with covering her and we're going to learn nothing.

01:20:16.100 And if she is not asked about her husband, then just, I mean, you can't take any of it

01:20:21.140 seriously, not an iota of it.

01:20:23.200 That's right.

01:20:24.340 It's, uh, it's going to be Bill Whitaker.

01:20:25.900 So we'll see.

01:20:27.140 In the meantime, team Harris, and I do mean just Harris as opposed to Harris Walls, appears

01:20:33.820 to be wanting to distance itself from the pathological liar, Tim Walls.

01:20:39.820 Very interesting piece hit yesterday in Politico late yesterday headline.

01:20:45.960 Walls says he speaks like everybody else and it's not working for the campaign.

01:20:51.940 Key members of Harris's circle were not aware reading here of some of Walls's inaccurate

01:20:59.000 statements until they became public despite the vetting process.

01:21:03.940 And the whole thing goes on to talk about how, um, the plain speaking Minnesota governor has had to explain a growing number of inaccurate statements and at times embellishments about his past.

01:21:18.080 They range from comments about his military service to his visit to Hong Kong more than three decades ago to clarifying that his family did not specifically use in vitro fertilization.

01:21:27.300 I mean, if by Clara clarify, you mean to 100% admit he reversed himself or that he, he lied when caught by others than yes.

01:21:37.140 But the fact that the campaign felt the need to put this out, that she didn't know about most of these, they're saying she knew he had the DWI arrest.

01:21:46.020 He had fronted that for the vetters before she chose him.

01:21:49.180 Um, but not much else.

01:21:51.680 They appear to be learning about this guy's serial lying as we all are.

01:21:57.940 And hence this drop to Politico saying, we didn't know, and it's not working for us.

01:22:05.440 This Maureen, as he's still out there trying to claim that he just misspoke when he said he was in Tiananmen Square, that he was in China the day of the Tiananmen Square, uh, square massacre.

01:22:19.780 We actually went back.

01:22:21.580 Okay.

01:22:21.760 So now Tuesday night, he just said he's a knucklehead, right?

01:22:25.220 Then we played a soundbite of him yesterday, um, where he was asked about it and he tried to say, I, I speak like everybody else does.

01:22:33.640 This is just what everybody does.

01:22:35.460 And I just misspoke.

01:22:36.640 It was just a matter of like, I was there in August, but I wasn't there when the massacre happened three months earlier.

01:22:43.100 I just, I just got the dates mixed up.

01:22:45.340 That's all.

01:22:45.820 Here's what he said yesterday.

01:22:46.880 Okay.

01:22:47.200 Stop 14.

01:22:47.700 Look, I have my dates wrong.

01:22:51.300 I was in Hong Kong and China in 1989.

01:22:54.780 Um, that, that move from Hong Kong into China, it was profound for me.

01:23:01.820 That was the summer of democracy.

01:23:03.420 I said, it's where I understood how sacred democracy was.

01:23:06.300 It's what encouraged me about 15 back and forth with my students, um, taking them to China.

01:23:12.840 I speak like everybody else speaks.

01:23:14.700 Um, I need to be clear.

01:23:17.520 I will tell you that.

01:23:18.320 But here's my whole point on that thing with China.

01:23:20.480 I do understand China a hell of a lot better than Donald Trump.

01:23:25.080 Kamala Harris understands China.

01:23:26.920 My clarity to take away from the message is something I want to be very clear.

01:23:30.520 August of 89 into Hong Kong, into China, 15 times with students to try and do this.

01:23:36.520 My point being on this, Kamala Harris and I understand American jobs are more important

01:23:41.560 than what Donald Trump tried to save Chinese jobs.

01:23:45.420 Okay.

01:23:46.260 He misspoke just like everybody does.

01:23:48.940 It was just a slip of the tongue.

01:23:50.760 You know, he was there in August, but he wasn't there in June as though being in lower

01:23:55.600 Manhattan, um, in November of 2001 was exactly the same as being there on September 11th,

01:24:03.480 2001.

01:24:03.940 It's just a, just a small little detail forgot.

01:24:06.820 Okay.

01:24:07.260 We, we, we went back and this has been reported by others, Minnesota, uh, public radio, then

01:24:11.840 our friends at the free beacon, um, and others as well, including the K file over at CNN.

01:24:16.760 And here he is, we don't have this on camera, but I'm going to read it to you June 4th, 2009

01:24:22.980 per a congressional transcript.

01:24:26.120 We don't have this sound and the video has been set to private.

01:24:28.900 So we can't pull clips.

01:24:30.480 He said, quote, for those of you in the room who are in Tiananmen that day, I want to say

01:24:36.500 thank you to you for some very personal reasons.

01:24:39.560 20 years ago today, this is June 4th, the day of the massacre, 20 years ago today, I was in Hong

01:24:45.340 Kong preparing to go to Foshan to teach at Foshan number one middle school in the context of

01:24:51.920 Tiananmen. 0.94

01:24:52.380 Okay.

01:24:52.680 20 years ago today said that June 4th, 2009, May 20th, 2014 congressional hearing don't have the

01:24:59.540 sound, but this is what he said.

01:25:00.720 Quoting as a young man, I was just going to teach high school in Foshan and Guangdong province and

01:25:06.540 was in Hong Kong in May, 1989.

01:25:10.500 As the events were unfolding, several of us just went in.

01:25:15.760 Okay, sure.

01:25:17.120 Then we get to June 19th, 2019, where he appeared on the Chad Hartman show.

01:25:26.480 And here is what he said.

01:25:28.880 When did you live in China?

01:25:30.900 Late 80s.

01:25:31.860 Okay.

01:25:32.280 You know, I was there.

01:25:33.320 I see this happening in Hong Kong as a, as a more serious note.

01:25:36.000 I was in Hong Kong on, uh, on June 4th, 1989, when of course Tiananmen square happened.

01:25:41.860 And I, uh, I was in China after that.

01:25:45.080 It was very strange because of course all outside transmissions were, were blocked voice

01:25:49.760 of America.

01:25:50.280 And of course there was no, no phones or email or anything.

01:25:53.080 So I was kind of out of touch.

01:25:55.040 It took me a month to know the Berlin wall had fallen when I was living there.

01:25:58.340 I was in Hong Kong on June 4th, 1989, when Tiananmen square happened once again.

01:26:05.820 And here we go to just, just recently, February 16th, 2024 on pod save America, a left wing

01:26:16.060 podcast, uh, where he had the following exchange.

01:26:20.680 I saw that you taught, uh, in a Chinese high school from 1989 to 1990.

01:26:26.220 I did.

01:26:26.660 Were you there like during the protests and I was in Hong Kong square mass?

01:26:30.900 Okay.

01:26:31.240 Yeah.

01:26:31.400 I was in Hong Kong.

01:26:32.140 So we were the first group of American high school teachers to teach in Chinese high school.

01:26:35.840 But I was in Hong Kong when it happened.

01:26:37.380 I was in Hong Kong on, on June 4th when Tiananmen happened.

01:26:40.940 Yeah.

01:26:41.480 Um, several of our, quite a few of our folks decided not to go in.

01:26:45.900 There was a lot of, uh, European in Hong Kong, you know, don't do this. 1.00

01:26:50.020 Don't go, don't support them in this.

01:26:52.180 And my thinking at the time was, is, is what a golden opportunity to go tell, you know,

01:26:56.140 how it was.

01:26:56.780 And I did have a lot of freedom to do that taught American history and could tell the story.

01:27:03.020 2009, 2014, 2019, 2024.

01:27:07.160 And that's just what we could find the records of, but he just simply misspoke.

01:27:12.360 Like we all do.

01:27:13.420 Maureen.

01:27:13.760 That, that thing he said at the, at the top of the clips that you were playing, where I speak

01:27:19.780 like everybody else don't speak for me because I don't speak like that.

01:27:24.900 I know you don't speak like that.

01:27:26.760 I tell the truth.

01:27:28.280 I can keep my story straight because I'm not lying all the time.

01:27:32.220 I don't fabricate stuff to make myself puffed up and feel more important than I am.

01:27:38.480 This guy is pathological circling back to our friend, Brian Williams.

01:27:44.160 He's another one who said he was there when the Berlin wall fell.

01:27:47.260 Guess what?

01:27:47.720 He wasn't.

01:27:48.600 He got there the day after you don't misremember consequential defining democratic events in

01:27:58.220 history.

01:27:58.940 You don't misremember whether you were there or not.

01:28:01.160 It's not like, Oh, I think I saw fish in 89, but I was stoned.

01:28:04.320 I don't know.

01:28:05.080 It's not the same thing.

01:28:06.720 It's just not the same thing.

01:28:08.300 I mean, this guy is so pathological, you know, when he said that thing during the debate

01:28:14.980 about his son witnessing a shooting, I just immediately said, that's a lie.

01:28:19.440 I don't believe him.

01:28:20.400 I don't believe you, sir.

01:28:21.460 I don't believe you because all he does is lie.

01:28:25.460 And he seems to be at the center of far too many events.

01:28:29.160 Like he's Zellig or Forrest Gump, you know, he was in war.

01:28:33.640 He was over here.

01:28:34.640 He was in Tiananmen.

01:28:35.740 And he's like, it's not.

01:28:36.860 And none of it adds up.

01:28:38.920 It's just wild.

01:28:42.120 I don't know.

01:28:43.060 That's a good point.

01:28:44.120 It is like a Forrest Gump thing.

01:28:45.680 He was, he was everywhere.

01:28:46.700 He was in the IVF clinic.

01:28:48.300 He was there being commended by the Nebraska chamber.

01:28:51.540 Megan, he was in war.

01:28:53.260 He was the Spurta Mazoa in the Petri dish.

01:28:57.840 That was the IV going into his life.

01:29:00.520 Please.

01:29:01.360 It's like, it's amazing.

01:29:03.620 Let's get to Walls on 60 Minutes.

01:29:06.280 When does he get his turn in the spotlight?

01:29:09.020 Please, God.

01:29:10.040 Please, God in heaven.

01:29:11.360 Let him come on the Megyn Kelly show.

01:29:13.240 I promise I won't just emerge with his jugular.

01:29:15.760 I'll give him a very fair interview.

01:29:17.760 Just please.

01:29:18.780 I've been a good person.

01:29:20.120 I deserve this.

01:29:21.020 Please send him here.

01:29:22.360 Okay.

01:29:22.700 I gave it a shot.

01:29:24.120 What did we move over?

01:29:24.940 Wait, my team's telling me something.

01:29:28.500 Oh, we actually, my crack team actually has the clip of Brian Williams and his lies.

01:29:35.420 They're so good.

01:29:36.140 Amazing.

01:29:36.860 Let's watch it.

01:29:38.540 The story actually started with a terrible moment a dozen years back during the invasion of Iraq

01:29:43.900 when the helicopter we were traveling in was forced down after being hit by an RPG.

01:29:48.460 Okay, sure.

01:29:51.900 Sure, Jan.

01:29:52.700 Wait, I've got that.

01:29:53.660 Hold on.

01:29:54.320 Sure, Jan.

01:29:59.360 My fellow Maureen McCormick there.

01:30:03.420 That's right.

01:30:03.740 Yeah, it's just, it's amazing.

01:30:05.280 I remember, you know, there was a time when Brian Williams was seen as like the cool guy,

01:30:09.940 like the cool middle-aged guy who was giving you the news, but he also liked alternative music.

01:30:14.760 And like, he would go on Letterman, and I think it was like on Letterman or one of those,

01:30:21.300 and talk about seeing the dead bodies floating by during Katrina.

01:30:26.160 And, you know, I mean, he really went into detail.

01:30:29.520 And I don't know if you've ever known anyone like this in your life.

01:30:32.380 I have.

01:30:33.300 I've known like a pathological liar or two.

01:30:36.020 And the dominant emotion you feel when hearing their stories is just embarrassment for them.

01:30:42.220 Because their tails are so tall and so completely unbelievable and only really serve to valorize

01:30:48.660 themselves.

01:30:49.840 And this guy is such a loss leader for her ticket.

01:30:53.360 And I just feel like it's karma.

01:30:56.200 It's exactly who she deserves to be running with because she is just as fake. 0.60

01:31:01.400 She is as much of a fraud. 0.99

01:31:02.960 I don't leave a word that comes out of her mouth either.

01:31:05.920 She just is a better delivery system. 1.00

01:31:09.100 I'll tell you what.

01:31:10.680 I'm the opposite.

01:31:11.740 I believe all the stories.

01:31:13.400 It's not until they're totally disproven.

01:31:15.540 I'm so gullible.

01:31:16.680 I'm like, wow, that's amazing.

01:31:18.420 You were there at Katrina.

01:31:19.420 And I, until given reason to doubt, I usually believe, but I no longer believe Tim Walls.

01:31:24.900 I certainly don't believe Doug Emhoff.

01:31:26.780 And I've written Brian Williams off for a very long time.

01:31:30.000 All right.

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01:31:34.440 Things just went from bad to worse for him.

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01:33:12.320 Maureen, things going from bad to worse for P. Diddy,

01:33:15.780 who is, yeah, in jail right now and not getting bail as he awaits trial on these federal charges

01:33:23.420 against him, sex trafficking and others, racketeering behavior, et cetera.

01:33:28.480 But now there is an attorney down in, I think he's in Texas, named Tony Busby, who publicized

01:33:36.660 a hotline asking for people who are, you know, claiming to be victims of Diddy's.

01:33:41.140 And he is on camera saying that he's about to file a lawsuit on behalf of 120 alleged sex

01:33:50.980 abuse victims.

01:33:52.860 He said he's gotten over 12,000.

01:33:55.080 In fact, it had gone even higher than that last I checked, calls from people claiming

01:33:59.600 to be victims of Diddy's.

01:34:00.740 And there will be a lot of fakers in there who just have their hands out and want money 0.95

01:34:04.340 from this very rich man.

01:34:05.460 But he says he's done investigation and found at least 120 who he says actually were, according

01:34:12.600 to him, an allegation, abused by Diddy.

01:34:15.440 He said they have almost 100 people working on this task.

01:34:18.100 And he's claiming that one of them is a nine-year-old boy accusing Sean Diddy Combs of sexual assault

01:34:28.160 and abuse, saying that he was abused after he auditioned at the Bad Boy Record Studio in

01:34:34.820 New York City.

01:34:36.140 Busby alleges other boys were there to audition as well.

01:34:38.880 All of them were trying to land a record deal.

01:34:41.140 All of them were minors.

01:34:42.640 This individual, the nine-year-old, was sexually abused, allegedly by Sean Combs and several other

01:34:47.940 people at the studio with the promise to both his parents and himself of getting a record

01:34:52.920 deal.

01:34:53.820 Again, these are allegations.

01:34:55.260 It's not proof that it happened, but 120 is a big number.

01:34:59.300 And it just keeps going, Maureen.

01:35:02.120 I mean, we were having a new person come out of the woodwork every day with new allegations

01:35:05.960 against him.

01:35:08.580 And as has been the case thus far, there is a deafening silence from the hip-hop community,

01:35:15.220 from the music industry at large, from the A-list celebrities who frequented Diddy's white

01:35:22.820 parties.

01:35:24.200 There was a report today or yesterday, I think it was yesterday, that Denzel Washington was

01:35:30.620 seen shouting at Diddy upon leaving one of Diddy's parties, you don't respect anyone, that

01:35:37.840 he and his wife had clearly seen something that disturbed them.

01:35:41.380 Um, and now there are reports that the next big name to go down in this scandal is Jay-Z.

01:35:51.220 Um, and I do think this story is only going to continue to get bigger.

01:35:56.460 And I kind of think, I mean, you can't prove a negative, but I think it's extremely odd that

01:36:05.040 people who have known Diddy, collaborated with him, partied with him, dated him, cough, cough,

01:36:13.380 J-Lo, have nothing to say.

01:36:17.780 Nothing.

01:36:18.640 Mm-hmm.

01:36:19.680 That's exactly right.

01:36:20.700 Are not even issuing.

01:36:21.500 I would like to remove myself from this narrative.

01:36:24.600 I knew nothing.

01:36:25.600 I saw nothing.

01:36:26.380 And these allegations sicken and disgust me.

01:36:30.740 And my thoughts and prayers are with all of the, in brackets, alleged victims.

01:36:36.840 Mm-hmm.

01:36:37.600 Yeah.

01:36:38.160 Not Usher.

01:36:39.360 Not Bieber.

01:36:40.680 Not J-Lo.

01:36:41.520 Not Jay-Z.

01:36:42.560 Not Ashton Kutcher.

01:36:44.220 These are just the people we know.

01:36:46.000 We're in close contact with him over the years.

01:36:48.020 I mean, the list is much, much longer.

01:36:49.260 Go back to his birthday list.

01:36:50.640 Go back to Oprah.

01:36:51.600 And all the names he was reading out, one after the other, Beyonce, and see what they

01:36:56.380 have to say.

01:36:57.080 Yes, to your point, there was an allegation made by a woman named Jaguar Wright, a singer

01:37:02.380 who says she knows Diddy and Jay-Z on Piers Morgan earlier this week, condemning both of

01:37:09.660 them in some very strong terms.

01:37:11.180 We'll see where that goes, if she can back any of that up.

01:37:14.200 But there are people like Wendy Williams coming out, making comments about him.

01:37:21.680 I guess that there's a history there.

01:37:24.140 I didn't know that Wendy Williams had been pushed out of her radio job many years ago 1.00

01:37:32.800 after she suggested that Diddy was gay.

01:37:37.380 She had insinuated he was gay, which ultimately got her fired from her job at Hot 97.

01:37:44.640 And she is on the record saying he nearly succeeded in taking down her entire career.

01:37:52.480 There was an incident between them from a 2017 appearance he made on her show that people

01:37:59.460 are circulating now saying, this is very awkward.

01:38:01.880 He's bringing up her, I think at the time, 16-year-old son.

01:38:06.300 Here it is.

01:38:07.980 As the mother of a now 16-year-old.

01:38:10.820 Who I met backstage.

01:38:12.680 He did?

01:38:13.680 He's a great, great young man.

01:38:14.820 Oh, thank you.

01:38:16.760 You represent a lot.

01:38:24.040 There's the pause.

01:38:26.220 And the suggestion is some people worried, like, was that a threat?

01:38:30.140 What was that?

01:38:31.580 Because was she in the position of knowing too much about him?

01:38:35.100 Total speculation, Maureen.

01:38:36.240 But it is stunning how many people knew about him and these lesser known figures who actually

01:38:43.260 were sounding the alarm on him only to be totally ignored.

01:38:47.580 You know, it's what I think gives that theory credence that that was a veiled threat in public,

01:38:54.040 on air, to Wendy Williams.

01:38:57.060 It's very rare for Wendy Williams, of all people, to be tongue-tied.

01:39:01.440 She was a huge personality on Hot 97, which was like the dominant hip-hop station in the New York City market and the tri-state area.

01:39:11.900 And she did lose her job because of him.

01:39:14.620 He had that much power.

01:39:16.280 And, you know, I saw there was a conversation.

01:39:20.040 This is the wrong person to ask because she's aged out beyond this cohort.

01:39:24.100 But Bill Maher was talking to Fran Lebowitz about this scandal on Friday, and he was asking her why there doesn't seem to be more outrage, especially among the Hollywood community.

01:39:34.700 And she really couldn't answer it.

01:39:36.140 But I kind of think it's because this kind of, like, outré sexual behavior is kind of baked into rock and roll, right?

01:39:43.800 It's like sex, drugs, and rock and roll.

01:39:45.520 And it's like they're always supposed to be pushing boundaries.

01:39:47.800 But, like, now we're talking about serial rape and pedophilia and, you know, a cabal of people that seems to have been all in on it.

01:39:58.240 And I think, unlike R. Kelly, like, this is not Sean Combs is not a lone actor here.

01:40:03.900 And I think a lot of people are being quiet because they face losing everything.

01:40:10.800 Yeah, that's beyond.

01:40:11.960 I mean, I know a few rock stars, and those allegations are beyond anything.

01:40:17.440 By the way, not for nothing, but we're watching the movie Almost Famous now.

01:40:21.800 And it's just so fun.

01:40:23.420 It's a great movie.

01:40:24.480 Cameron Crowe, so talented.

01:40:26.260 Maureen, great to see you.

01:40:27.980 Thank you.

01:40:29.520 Great to see you, Megan.

01:40:30.460 And thank you for the kind words about my book.

01:40:32.340 Totally Unnecessary.

01:40:33.360 Always appreciated.

01:40:34.520 Thank you for having me.

01:40:35.360 Oh, of course.

01:40:36.160 It's totally heartfelt.

01:40:37.580 Okay, also, before we go, I want to tell you something exciting has happened.

01:40:42.240 Doug Brunt's book, The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel, is now out in paperback.

01:40:48.340 And actually, it is quite lovely.

01:40:50.120 It's a great paperback.

01:40:51.380 I love how they captured the cover perfectly.

01:40:53.900 And I love the fact that inside the book, they kept the color photos, the color photos, which

01:41:01.360 they almost never do.

01:41:03.420 So the interior photo insert is A++.

01:41:06.900 And obviously, it's less expensive.

01:41:09.900 And it was on the New York Times bestseller list and all the bestseller lists and is still

01:41:15.800 in the works to become a major motion picture.

01:41:20.620 We'll see.

01:41:21.260 They have an option.

01:41:22.500 And, you know, Hollywood is.

01:41:23.700 But it'd be very exciting if it happened.

01:41:25.880 I actually keep meaning to send this to James Woods because he helped get Oppenheimer made.

01:41:31.080 This is right up his alley.

01:41:32.160 I got a note to self.

01:41:33.560 Please do this.

01:41:34.580 It's called The Mysterious Case of Rudolf Diesel.

01:41:36.300 And as famous author Jay Winnick, New York Times bestselling author, put it, it is equal

01:41:40.940 parts Walter Isaacson and Sherlock Holmes yanks back the curtain on the greatest caper of the

01:41:46.560 20th century in this riveting history.

01:41:50.720 Diesel, you see his name every time you go to fill up your car with gasoline.

01:41:54.680 You don't even know most people that it's a proper noun.

01:41:58.160 It's a man, Rudy D.

01:42:00.440 And he was the Elon Musk of his time.

01:42:03.820 I mean, even bigger, really.

01:42:05.500 And he disappeared off the back of a boat one day in the early 20th century, just as

01:42:13.320 World War II or I was about to break out.

01:42:15.940 And so it didn't get anywhere near the press coverage that it would if somebody like an

01:42:20.020 Elon Musk, God forbid, were to go missing.

01:42:22.520 And they said, OK, he committed suicide.

01:42:25.940 I guess he committed suicide.

01:42:27.600 Well, Doug Brunt takes that on in this book.

01:42:30.840 And so you will learn a lot about American history, the robber barons of the time, the

01:42:35.180 Rockefellers and so on.

01:42:36.660 And you will find out what happened to one of the most important inventors in history

01:42:43.600 and what the truth is.

01:42:46.300 The true resolution of the mysterious case of Rudolph Diesel by my husband, Douglas Brunt.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - October 04, 2024

Explosive Doug Emhoff Assault Allegations, and MSNBC Producer Caught Telling the Truth, with Maureen Callahan ｜ Ep. 907

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