The Daily Mail has two new stories breaking on Doug Emhoff and a new allegation that he physically abused a woman he was dating two years prior to meeting Kamala Harris. And now he s again issued a denial, it s the lamest denial I ve seen from a public figure involved in a scandal in quite some time.
00:04:18.580We have no idea what this report is untrue refers to.
00:04:23.660And then they add any suggestion that he would or has ever hit a woman is false.
00:04:31.840Now, I will tell you, Maureen, this audience knows that I'm obsessed with Phil Houston.
00:04:36.340CIA guy, 25 years, invented their deception detection methods that are used by the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, law enforcement all over this country.
00:04:48.400And I've not only read Phil's book, but had him on the show many times, countless times.
00:04:54.920And one of the things he teaches you is that statements like any suggestion that he would or has ever hit a woman is false are exactly the kind of non denials denials that indicate falsehood, that indicate a liar.
00:05:14.200If I said to you, Maureen Callahan, did you ever beat the shit out of a professional, successful attorney in Cannes, France, you would say no, never.
00:05:28.000It would not be any, through a spokesperson, unnamed, any suggestion that I have ever hit a woman or would hit a woman is false.
00:05:39.120You, as a truth teller, would run toward the facts, toward them.
00:05:44.200You would say, I was in Cannes, France, this is my girlfriend, let's find videotapes.
00:06:29.800Hats off to Chris Cuomo, who gave it some coverage.
00:06:34.480But even Semaphore did not do anything on the story until they got the denial from him.
00:06:40.280Washington Post, New York Times, you name it.
00:06:43.820No one will touch this thing with a 10-foot pole, even though they have three, count them, three, anonymous to us, but not to the Daily Mail, friends of hers, professionals, who have gone on record with the Daily Mail that this happened.
00:06:59.420They know this professional, a successful attorney, very well.
00:07:06.300In the moment, testimonials of this woman calling, in particular her male friend, while she was still reportedly terrified that he might continue the assault.
00:07:19.500There is so much to dig into here, Megan.
00:07:22.280And I'm so glad that you have picked up on this story and are running with it, because, as you just said, the rest of the media has ignored it completely.
00:07:33.260And this was a conversation I was having with my editor as I was working on this column about this assault, attack, whatever.
00:07:51.700Now, to your point, we have three incredible sources, highly powered, intelligent members of the elite who she told about this, two contemporaneously, one of whom, a New York City businessman, she called after she claims Doug Emhoff, smacked her in the face so hard that she spun around.
00:08:33.020This is something he did on the valet line.
00:08:36.180Imagine what he does in private if he's capable of doing something like this in public.
00:08:40.660The call that this accuser made was seconds after he smacked her in the face, a humiliation that is meant to humiliate as well as inflict pain.
00:08:58.060She says he opens the door and climbs in right after her.
00:09:01.400So she makes this phone call to her male friend in New York City, as she says, protection, to make him aware that there is a man on the other end of this phone who's going to hear everything that goes down.
00:09:15.220Now, you are telling me on the heels of the nanny story, which the media has minimized.
00:09:37.340She does that after the Daily Mail reported and he admitted that he banged the nanny while married to his first wife and got her pregnant after it.
00:09:46.880We'll play it just so those who haven't seen it.
00:09:48.980And knowing all of that, Jen Psaki does this when she gets Doug Emhoff in her studio.
00:09:56.080An interesting part of how people have talked about your role here is how your role has reshaped the perception of masculinity.
00:10:03.200And I'm not sure you planned on that, but you are an incredibly supportive spouse.
00:10:19.980And to me, it's the right thing to do, you know, support women.
00:10:24.280When we lift up women, we support women, whether it's pay equity, child care, family leave and all these issues that, you know, this post-Dobbs hellscape, women should not be less than.
00:10:37.540There's a pop culture phrase, wife guy, which you've kind of been known as.
00:11:19.660I also want to just add that in this woman's detailed version of events as related to these three sources, the evidence that the mail collected is copious, detailed, legitimate.
00:11:34.680She says that Doug Emhoff, about two months before this all went down.
00:11:47.900And he did it in a way that was free of shame, free of regret.
00:11:52.300It was just this niggling factoid that was part of his past.
00:11:56.060And in his version of events, she may have fabricated this pregnancy to extort him for $80,000.
00:12:06.660She later learned that the nanny had told people that his aggression, his anger, he yelled, he did something, in her estimation, caused her to lose that pregnancy.
00:12:23.000Now, there is a police report, an LAPD police report, that lines up with the time that the nanny would have been pregnant that was designated a level three response.
00:12:37.640That's a life-threatening emergency, lights on, sirens going.
00:12:42.780They respond to the place where the nanny was living at the time.
00:12:45.980Other than that, there is nothing available about that police report, who was involved, what happened, how it was resolved.
00:12:58.360All of that is in the Daily Mail's second report on Doug Emhoff, which hit on October 2nd.
00:13:04.320And that business about the nanny is so critical, because let me tell you what's not denied in Doug Emhoff's unnamed spokesperson's or the campaign's unnamed spokesperson's statement to Semaphore.
00:13:20.340That, that he paid the nanny $80,000 to sign an NDA that was not broken in the first Daily Mail report a month earlier.
00:13:31.620This is new, that he paid her $80,000 to sign an NDA, and that the nanny, according to Doug Emhoff, as told to this attorney he dated, blamed him for what we now know, if this is true, was a miscarriage of the baby.
00:13:49.140And that she thought he had been aggressive, she accused him, according to him, of being aggressive with her to the point where she lost the baby, and that the LAPD visited her home around this time in an emergency situation, and we can't find any evidence of what specifically happened.
00:14:14.900And I actually went on Twitter last night and added Semaphore and said, will you please go back to him, since you clearly are in touch with him and he'll speak to you, and ask for a denial on that.
00:14:26.600Let's hear what he has to say about that, because that nanny is out there.
00:14:33.980And while she may be under an NDA, there's, you know, there have been a lot of people who have broken NDAs in situations like this, if the circumstances are, you know, pressing enough.
00:14:48.540So we'll see whether she continues adhering to that.
00:14:52.280For what it's worth, the Daily Mail also reporting that this successful attorney he dated and allegedly beat, that's what I'm going to call it, beat.
00:14:59.000You slap a woman open-handed, one of her witnesses says it might have been a punch, so hard you whip her around, and that's how angry you are, that she is a Democrat, and that the friends are Democrats, that they actually don't really want to even be talking about this.
00:15:16.760But they were so disgusted with how he's being painted by Kamala Harris, her campaign, and the media, they felt like right is right, and the public must know what's real about this guy.
00:15:48.860As you just said at the top of your show, if I'm getting accused of something horrible that I did not do, I'm immediately just going to say, not true, and open the books.
00:16:15.640If I hear that one more time without her being forced to answer for what seems to be an emerging pattern by her designated wife guy, as far as the way he treats women in his life who become inconvenient or who anger him,
00:16:35.160then I really don't know what further evidence we need that the mainstream media is actively working to elect Kamala and Tim.
00:16:47.140Let me tell you something else you'd do.
00:16:49.860If somebody accused me or my husband of beating someone, let's go with my husband since it's not generally the case that women are beating on men.
00:17:44.520Why are three of this woman's friends talking to the Daily Mail, giving receipts, travel receipts, that, by the way, only this woman would have?
00:17:51.580Clearly, she gave the friends the receipts.
00:17:54.380Because the friends don't hold on to somebody else's travel receipts from 12 years ago.
00:17:59.740This woman clearly is not ready to deny this because I'm sure this woman, ultimately, if she does choose to speak, will say it's true.
00:18:09.920And she's probably still angry about it.
00:46:07.860And I just implore every woman who is thinking about voting for her.
00:46:13.240Like, think about what this is telegraphing to you and your worth to them as they run on abortion rights and feminism and good character because they do not give a shit about you.
00:46:30.600He was the one who participated in the War Room creation against those so-called bimbos who are accusing Bill Clinton.
00:46:36.900We know this from George Stephanopoulos himself and now he hosts this program and purports to be some champion of women.
00:46:45.180Remember, he had Nancy Mace on there, a victim of rape herself, and he was cross-examining her on why she wouldn't condemn Trump for his alleged sexual assault of E. Jean Carroll in a Bergdorf Goodman dressing room 30 years ago.
00:46:58.940And he was suddenly, he's now again a champion of women, even if it means excoriating an actual rape victim who's sitting there in front of you.
00:49:33.040And it feels unfair because it feels like they're just going to be victimized all over again unless they go to a place like the mail or like the Megyn Kelly show where they know they're going to get a fair and full hearing.
00:49:53.780Like, on this show in particular, I have a proven track record of calling people out on this shit, irrespective of whether they are on the right or on the left.
00:50:04.300And so I would do this and have done this for people accusing Trump, too.
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00:52:47.120Anyway, so in discussing at that time the Springfield, Ohio story and the migrants who had been brought there by the Biden administration, all that,
00:52:58.660Rich flubbed his words and would later explain he was conflating the words immigrants and migrants.
00:53:37.520But those cretins at Media Matters who monitor everyone who's right of center and their broadcasts decided to pull it, put it out on the Internet, and tell the world he had said the N-word.
00:53:51.780The police have gone through 11 months of recordings of calls, and they've only found two Springfield residents calling to complain about Haitian migrants taking geese from pods.
00:54:05.500Okay, so first of all, the absurdity of suggesting that Rich would have said the N-word, just so in casual use on this show on a live broadcast, like he would have, yeah, that's, sure, that's the way Rich talks.
00:54:21.380I mean, this is what Media Matters fantasy about conservatives is, and not just Media Matters, but some in the far left.
00:54:27.660And that I would have sat there like, sure, that's a fine word to just throw around in front of my live audience.
00:54:33.860And that we then would have later, because this is what we do, cut the whole segment as a podcast and released it on all podcast forums without cutting it.
00:54:44.800Sure, let's put that word out there for everybody and put it on YouTube.
00:55:10.900And NPR decided to write it up as though Rich were guilty of doing it in an absolute smear of the guy.
00:55:19.280And today they have admitted that they were wrong, that they didn't live up to their own standards, that that's not what he said.
00:55:31.180And while there is no apology to Rich Lowry, which there should be NPR, they admit through their sort of public editor, the person who's supposed to be the liaison between NPR and its audience, that the story as originally published wasn't just unfair.
00:56:06.360Second, after recognizing that the story was wrong, NPR should have acknowledged the changes to both the headline and the body of the story because they had updated it to try to sort of slide in his denials and the truth without acknowledging they'd smeared him.
00:56:19.960And they should have included a formal note of clarification because readers were much more likely to come away from the original story with the belief that Lowry actually said the racial slur.
00:56:30.960A clarification note would be a public acknowledgment that the first story fell short.
00:56:37.220This story did not meet NPR's standards.
00:56:41.100And they said our original story was written in a way that created more confusion to the point of being misleading.
00:56:48.900It was written by some trans activist who goes by the first letter C, last name Mandler, who spent C's career in activism with GLAAD and other media outlets trying to be one of, you know, the very annoying trans activists who are not representative of the actual trans community, but just absolutely vicious.
00:57:17.220I don't know C, but I can see C is also dishonest and vicious in the way C, just the letter reported for NPR.
00:57:25.940So where does one go to get one's reputation back, Maureen?
00:57:29.340Because Rich had not one, but two cancellations from the absolutely shameful Badger Institute, which is supposed to be a conservative organization.
00:57:52.300Rich Lowry, had he called for the Intifada, had he joined with pro-Hamas protesters, he'd be fine, he'd be lionized.
00:58:06.960He made a conflation that was wholly innocent, and rather than being given the benefit of the doubt, and rather than actually looking at this guy's entire history, the left ran to bury him and to dance on his grave.
00:58:26.560And all this really does is make people afraid, especially anyone who's not on the far left, to open their mouths.
00:58:36.820And you and I have talked about this more than once, but I see it in my own cohort of really smart, well-read, sophisticated, well-traveled people who will only speak behind closed doors.
00:58:55.180To a select number of their nearest and dearest about what they really think about any given topic.
00:59:09.180Because we are in this moment where, unless you're adhering to some really wacky shit, like, unless you're like Ta-Nehisi Coates, who is out there plugging a book that is basically like, Israel should no longer exist.
00:59:32.960And Rich, to his credit, wrote a defense of himself in National Review at the time, explaining that he had merged the two words.
00:59:40.980And if you watch the segment, it's obvious that that's what happened.
00:59:44.100And really naming, the reason we know about the Badger Institute and Indiana State is because he told us in that piece that he was getting canceled.
00:59:50.880And the whole point of his piece was, cancel me for something that I actually said, not for something that I didn't said.
00:59:56.660We've crossed over into new territory where you're getting canceled for something you didn't actually even say.
01:00:01.960And NPR is admitting that its own media correspondent, who, by the way, C, C, whatever, whoever you are, C Mandler, you are not the media correspondent.
01:00:12.880Maybe you should defer to the media correspondent because the reason David Folkenflick is the media correspondent is because he covers the media personalities in the media all the time.
01:00:23.480And maybe he knows Rich Lowry slightly better than you do and his history, as opposed to you, C, who seems to see some white guy who you were sure to label as a conservative, a conservative in both of your pieces, and doesn't just jump to the conclusion that he's a raging racist who just drops n-bombs on any live media appearance.
01:00:47.680But David Folkenflick, that night, was tweeting out, this is not what happened. Stop it.
01:00:54.560And this piece by the public editor points out, oh, but the poor C didn't know.
01:01:01.100They didn't read David Folkenflick's tweet.
01:01:03.380Well, too bad on you, C. You suck. That's why you have a media correspondent.
01:01:06.820Call him up and ask me if he knows anything about Rich Lowry.
01:01:10.400And Maureen, to my point that I was just making, both of the NPR pieces, the first one they did, which is the hit piece, and then the so-called correction.
01:01:17.980Where they updated to include Rich's denial, and I defended him, which I think they included, and so did Andy McCarthy.
01:01:25.040Both of them say as follows, the headline, conservative editor-in-chief appears to use racial slur.
01:01:31.920The second one, conservative editor-in-chief says mispronunciation led to accusations of using slur.
01:01:38.680Now, you tell me, why is it relevant what Rich's political views are?
01:01:52.820This is the same outlet that, if I'm correct with the timeline, because this has been such a year of whiplash, fired the whistleblower who wrote this incredible piece, forgive me, I forget his name, this like hero's name, saying that NPR was basically spoon-feeding their worldview without adhering to actual facts.
01:02:20.520Yes, that's the guy, and he was basically, the call was coming from inside the house, like, and it wasn't just philosophical, and it wasn't just about journalistic ethics, it was also about commerce.
01:02:33.960It was, he was saying, we are shedding listeners by the day.
01:02:38.940They don't come to us anymore because they don't believe a thing we have to say to them.
01:02:45.360I mean, they didn't say that was the reason, but that was the reason.
01:02:48.080And he got rehired by the free press, which is definitely a much better home for him.
01:02:54.760But this is why nobody listens to NPR, unless you're like a true delusional believer that all people on the right must be inherently racist, inherently sexist, inherently intellectually limited.
01:03:10.600That's what, that's their stock in trade now.
01:03:15.620And I, I just, the only good thing that comes out of this, I think, is that Rich Lowry, those two cancellations are bullshit, but that he survived this.
01:03:26.380And I hope it's an object lesson for anyone on the left who has such an itchy trigger finger.
01:03:33.040I mean, again, we were just talking about the litany of reasons Doug Emhoff should really be investigated, and it's just swords down.
01:03:45.780It's like, it's like, they'll never, the correction, you know, that old saw, the story's a headline, the correction is like a thumbnail, you know, but he survived it.
01:03:54.580And, and, and, and that's a good thing.
01:03:58.340I think if you go to nationalreview.com, you'll see they're, they're actually asking for donations to send Rich on a tour to other places that didn't cancel him, you know, to support his ability to get out there, which I love.
01:04:11.320Um, I will say it's just, it's so offensive that they would think this is how conservatives sit around and talk, you know, that they're just dropping the N word on one.
01:04:21.240And I, I've literally never heard somebody say that word to me, you know, the only place I've ever heard that word is in rap music that comes on the show, uh, on the, on the radio, not on the show, but on the radio, right?
01:04:31.900Like you turn, turn on Spotify and just let it play.
01:04:35.780You hear that word on these rap songs all the time.
01:04:57.380Like I realize it's deeply offensive and has a terrible history, but it's just, my God.
01:05:02.060It's this rich almost got canceled for an accidental utterance that sounded something like it during the black lives matter thing.
01:05:10.560We saw a New York times reporter, the COVID reporter.
01:05:13.840He got fired because he repeated it when it was said to him in a question.
01:05:18.380Anyway, people need to just take a breath and understand that there are not secret cabal meetings of conservatives where they're dropping the N word just because they're thrilled.
01:05:39.100Speaking of dishonest media, you referenced the clip.
01:05:41.440So James O'Keefe, he was on the show the other day of now OMG Media, went undercover through one of his staffers, a female staffer, and got this producer for one of their weekend shows on camera.
01:08:26.740A couple of months ago when they were all indignant about Ronna McDaniel being hired as a contributor after she left the RNC and they acted like the devil himself had been under contract now to MS.
01:08:40.520They all went on the air trying to get her fired, which was ultimately successful, talking about themselves and their network like they were honest Abe themselves.
01:08:51.720They, you know, like George Washington, we cannot tell a lie here at MSNBC and we could not possibly hire someone who lies for pay.
01:09:01.100Remember, we cut this soundbite and I resurrected here.
01:09:03.560I want to associate myself with all my colleagues, both at MSNBC and at NBC News, who have voiced loud and principled objections to our company putting on the payroll.
01:09:16.620Someone who hasn't just attacked us as journalists, but someone who is part of an ongoing project to get rid of our system of government.
01:09:25.080We weren't asked our opinion of the hiring, but if we were, we would have strongly objected to it.
01:09:29.480When NBC made the decision to give her NBC News' credibility, you've got to ask yourself, what does she bring NBC News?
01:09:37.160We welcome Republicans. I wish more Republicans. I want Adam Kinzinger and Liz Cheney to get right here and come talk to me.
01:09:43.160The reality is this isn't a difference of opinion.
01:09:46.440She literally backed an illegal scheme to steal an election in the state of Michigan.
01:09:53.120And our democracy is in danger because of the lies that people like Ronna McDaniel have pushed on this country.
01:09:58.480We've also said election deniers, it's not just they can do that on our airwaves, but that they can do that as one of us, as badge-carrying employees of NBC News, as paid contributors to our sacred airwaves.
01:10:11.660Oh my God. Sacred airwaves. Sacred airwaves with an ID badge, Maureen. That's what really sent Nicole Wallace off the deep end.
01:10:20.800But this guy, Basil Hamden, gives it up in that clip with James O'Keefe's person.
01:10:28.860I mean, does his badge work anymore, do you think?
01:10:32.140Like, does he get to, like, participate in, like, these sacred airwaves going out across the nation?
01:10:38.840I mean, by the way, is there anyone more insufferable in this moment, like, this side of Sonny Hostin, than Rachel Maddow?
01:10:46.540It is like she has gone off the deep end.
01:10:49.700I mean, I'm going to say Nicole Wallace is up there. I'm going to say she's giving her a run for her money.
01:10:54.700That's fair. I think that's fair. I don't see her as much as Rachel Maddow's mug is in my face, like, all the time.
01:11:01.680And I just, I, watching them to a one, you know, do this sort of public execution of a conservative who, you know, I believe at least when they, like, fired her before they even got her on the air, at least got all her money, it's just, again, this is, they are just, they are telling us who they are.
01:11:25.680They are at least showing us and telling us who they are.
01:11:30.520That's their motto. This is who we are. And we're like, we know. Yeah, we got it.
01:11:37.840Right. But to hear him say, like, we're doing all we can to help the Harris campaign, that we don't, we try not to say anything critical of her or it will upset our audience, explains a lot.
01:11:50.160Like, that they're taking Harris campaign messaging and just putting it on the air every day as their news. That explains SOT 3. Let's play it again. That explains SOT 3.
01:12:02.340An interesting part of how people have talked about your role here is how your role has reshaped the perception of masculinity. And I'm not sure you planned on that, but you are an incredibly supportive spouse. Has that been an evolution for you? And do you think that's part of the role you might play as first gentleman?
01:12:21.220It's funny. I've started to think a lot about this. I've always been like this. My dad was like this. And to me, it's the right thing to do. You know, support women. When we lift up women, we support women, whether it's pay equity, childcare, family leave, and all these issues that, you know, this post-Dobbs hellscape, women should not be less than.
01:12:45.280There's a pop culture phrase, wife guy, which you've kind of been known as. Are you familiar with this?
01:12:51.100It's called a wife guy, a proud wife guy. How do you feel about that?
01:12:55.020Well, if I do something annoying to Kamala and she gets upset, I'll just show her that article.
01:13:01.000And by the way, Maureen, again, that was after she knew about Nannygate. This was Jen Psaki, the longer SOT, that we put in that montage. Watch her. Watch her talk about her journalism.
01:13:11.400Some, mainly in the right-wing ecosystem, have made the comparison to others who have come from government or politics into the media, including me.
01:13:21.240And that is a comparison I felt like I had to address.
01:13:24.700I got into public service for the same reason that many people do, to serve the American people.
01:13:29.800And there are many others who have followed a similar path, who I have a great deal of respect for.
01:13:35.280But here's the thing. That kind of experience only matters and only has value to viewers, all of you, if it is paired with honesty and with good faith.
01:13:46.220And our democracy is in danger because of the lies that people like Ronna McDaniel have pushed on this country.
01:13:55.300This is a woman who, while she was Biden's press secretary, and it's worth noting, she asked Obama for that position more than once.
01:14:06.200And he said no, because he didn't think she had what it took.
01:14:09.800And really what he thought was that she didn't have the warmth or the congeniality to do the job.
01:14:18.060And we saw that she would routinely snicker and smirk and roll her eyes and dismiss questions that contradicted the Biden White House's party line.
01:14:30.940She and I feel the same way about George Stephanopoulos.
01:14:34.920It's always boggled my mind how a news organization, a large one, a major one at that, can hire somebody whose job was to spin, spin, spin, spin, spin for their bosses.
01:14:47.800There is a great documentary about White House press secretaries, you know, and like the spine of it is, is that they all lie.
01:20:27.140In the meantime, team Harris, and I do mean just Harris as opposed to Harris Walls, appears
01:20:33.820to be wanting to distance itself from the pathological liar, Tim Walls.
01:20:39.820Very interesting piece hit yesterday in Politico late yesterday headline.
01:20:45.960Walls says he speaks like everybody else and it's not working for the campaign.
01:20:51.940Key members of Harris's circle were not aware reading here of some of Walls's inaccurate
01:20:59.000statements until they became public despite the vetting process.
01:21:03.940And the whole thing goes on to talk about how, um, the plain speaking Minnesota governor has had to explain a growing number of inaccurate statements and at times embellishments about his past.
01:21:18.080They range from comments about his military service to his visit to Hong Kong more than three decades ago to clarifying that his family did not specifically use in vitro fertilization.
01:21:27.300I mean, if by Clara clarify, you mean to 100% admit he reversed himself or that he, he lied when caught by others than yes.
01:21:37.140But the fact that the campaign felt the need to put this out, that she didn't know about most of these, they're saying she knew he had the DWI arrest.
01:21:46.020He had fronted that for the vetters before she chose him.
01:21:51.680They appear to be learning about this guy's serial lying as we all are.
01:21:57.940And hence this drop to Politico saying, we didn't know, and it's not working for us.
01:22:05.440This Maureen, as he's still out there trying to claim that he just misspoke when he said he was in Tiananmen Square, that he was in China the day of the Tiananmen Square, uh, square massacre.
01:39:16.280And, you know, I saw there was a conversation.
01:39:20.040This is the wrong person to ask because she's aged out beyond this cohort.
01:39:24.100But Bill Maher was talking to Fran Lebowitz about this scandal on Friday, and he was asking her why there doesn't seem to be more outrage, especially among the Hollywood community.