On today's show, Megyn Kelly is joined by her husband, former Fox Newsman Greg Kelly, to discuss the latest sports drama, including the U.S. Open, the NFL, and more. Plus, a can't miss episode of Kelly's Court.
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00:03:13.720I guess we'll just start with the NFL because that's the most recent thing that happened last night.
00:03:18.020It was my husband's Eagles against the Dallas Cowboys and the Eagles won.
00:03:24.540And here's here's what got my attention.
00:03:28.280My pal Greg Kelly was over on Newsmax and I love Greg.
00:03:32.120We go way back. He's one of the I think he was actually the very first guy I ever shared an office with at my very first day at Fox News back in August of 2004.
00:03:43.180So good God, 21 years ago. Anyway, Greg's got it all.
00:03:48.340Former Marine. He was like with the troops as we went into Fallujah or into Iraq and he had the helmet on.
00:03:55.460Anyway, he's a badass. But he's on Newsmax and he has had it up to here with woke NFL stuff.
00:04:02.240And I think he speaks for a lot of us because what I saw at the game was once again.
00:04:10.400Now, we are five years post George Floydapalooza.
00:04:14.760We had to begin the game with the black national anthem.
00:04:18.960We can't just have the national anthem.
00:04:21.400We have to have the lift every voice and sing anthem, special anthem just for black people, which is just so why, why, why?
00:04:30.540And then here was Greg Kelly weighing in on how he's had it up to here with the NFL in general.
00:04:37.860I can't stand the NFL. I'm boycotting football basically forever.
00:04:42.960They helped ruin this country. All right. They came pretty damn close during an election year.
00:04:48.580They call for immediate change. I don't need it. And I don't think you do either.
00:04:54.440There are so many better things we could do with our time.
00:04:56.840Look, I like football, the sport. I played it as a little kid on the Pee Wee League, you know.
00:05:08.740You know, watching those guys get exercise, make money, get ahead in their lives while we just sit there and watch them and bet our own money sometimes on it.
00:05:19.640I want out. By the way, I don't trust it. Sometimes some of these Super Bowl games seemed almost rigged.
00:05:27.580And I'll tell you what's really phony, that Kelsey, Travis, Taylor Swift, whatever the hell that thing is.
00:05:33.400It is fake. It is a strategy for I don't know what I don't care.
00:05:38.400I don't know why people would really care, but I think it's a great big corporate project.
00:05:43.140And here's what he was what else he was calling attention to this woke ad that the NFL put out in 2021.
00:05:50.500And he ran a bunch of Roger Goodell clips of him totally bending the knee after George Floyd apologizing to the players forever chastising them for not standing for the national anthem.
00:06:04.720We were wrong. You know, he was one of those self-flagellating guys.
00:06:09.320And it's never stopped because even last night in the opening game of the season, Link, we had the you know, they had these social justice messages in the end zone like end racism.
00:06:21.880And they had one last night, which was I think it it takes all of us.
00:06:27.360And they're saving the end racism ones we just learned for all the international games, I guess, to lecture our friends overseas about how they, too, need to end racism.
00:06:38.060And it really is kind of amazing. We're still dealing with this utter bullshit five years after George Floyd.
00:06:44.740Well, what's interesting is I feel like the NFL is probably the least racist sport because you have so many black men making tens of millions of dollars and they're exceptional.
00:06:54.660So I don't see where there is racism in football. Maybe I'm naive. I know I'm the whitest person on Earth.
00:06:59.760I'm like Casper, so I'm not sure I'm in the best position to opine on this topic.
00:07:03.280But whenever I watch football, there are a lot of African-American men making millions of dollars supporting their families.
00:07:09.240And it's a merit based sport. That's what I love about it.
00:07:12.260They're not chosen based on skin color. They're chosen. Can you run fast? Can you make a touchdown?
00:07:16.700Can you do this? Things that we cannot do here on screen.
00:07:19.400But it's merit based. And that's what I love about it.
00:07:21.460And the thing about Black Lives Matter, the people still going with Black Lives Matter.
00:07:25.100So many of the black leaders in America have come out in the past two or three years and said, you know, I think that was kind of a scam.
00:07:30.840I think Black Lives Matter was actually a scam. Where did the money go?
00:07:34.000Did it do anything to help the black community? No.
00:07:36.420And the last thing I'll say is this. The messages I get on social media from black people are we are not a monolith.
00:07:41.600We're not monolithic. Like every four years, the Democrats come around and they think that there's one black voter.
00:07:46.540They're like, no, we can vote for Trump this time. We can vote our best interests. We can do what we want.
00:07:50.740So I'm not sure why these folks are still going with all the Black Lives Matter and racism stuff.
00:07:54.940Just let people watch football and have a good time.
00:07:57.600I know. What do they think they're doing? The country has had enough of this.
00:08:01.820It's such a pander. And I guess Roger Goodell thinks that like he's he's got to, I don't know, pander to his largely black teams.
00:08:09.600And so like, are they clamoring for this? Do they want to see this stupid it takes all of us meaningless message in the end zones?
00:08:17.820I'm pretty sure those guys just want to earn money and play football.
00:08:21.140And that with the passage of time, almost everyone has seen how stupid that whole thing was.
00:08:29.240You know, we're covering over we're paving over all the BLM messages on the roads like people are past it.
00:08:35.860We're over it. We're over the gender nonsense, the pronoun nonsense.
00:08:40.380Even AOC took her pronouns out of her Twitter bio.
00:08:54.640Why? Why make it tougher on yourselves to get that last and very important segment of your audience back in your corner, which is middle America?
00:09:04.520Exactly. And I feel like identity politics is so passe.
00:09:09.140But for these folks on the left and in the mainstream media, they're still on that bandwagon of five, ten years ago.
00:09:14.260We're not doing identity politics anymore.
00:09:47.780They said this week the NFL announced that for the sixth consecutive season, it would force the league's teams to display some sort of political social justice message behind the end zones.
00:09:57.260Bizarrely, five previous seasons of this performative gesture has not seemed to solve all of society's ills.
00:10:16.820What in the hell is the end racism message actually doing other than all this performative BS, like land acknowledgments by the left, just making them feel superior or like they checked a box and they're good people?
00:12:15.540I'm just raising this now because it's going to come back in our next chat, which is also sports.
00:12:22.700We're going to move on to tennis in a second.
00:12:24.780There was drama last night because there was a big player named Jalen Carter for the Eagles who got kicked out of the game, opening game of the season, because he spat on another player.
00:13:18.800I'm constantly razzing him about the Eagles because I'm still not over the fact they hired Michael Vick, dog torturer, who just did the most vile, terrible things to a bunch of dogs for a very, very long time.
00:13:30.900And I was never satisfied he was truly sorry.
00:13:33.620But in any event, there they go again, behaving terribly, actually spitting on each other before the game starts, Link.
00:14:25.180The most thorough pat down, I was like, oh, my God, I haven't had this much affection in a while.
00:14:29.840There's a lot of physical contact with this guy, this poor Hispanic man who's like – and I'm like, I promise you, I promise you I'm not a terrorist.
00:14:37.920Look, I think I'm good and, you know, a very thorough investigation.
00:14:40.440The next trip to the airport, you're washing your hands in TNT, putting it all over your body.
00:18:12.520It's, she's, it's her home court advantage.
00:18:14.600And then Ostapenko later suggested that that was like a misuse of the crowd.
00:18:18.980Now, my tennis sources tell me it's actually not a misuse of the crowd, that every player, when they're in front of their hometown audience, uses the audience to intimidate the opposite player.
00:18:30.360It's kind of, it's done in tennis, so Ostapenko really didn't have grounds to complain.
00:18:35.620It's like, too bad, you're in America.
00:20:05.660And which led her to say things that are hurtful, that are belligerent, that are, um, offensive.
00:20:15.820Not only to me, but, you know, to the sport and, you know, to a whole culture of people that I try to do my best to represent the best that I can.
00:20:24.500But I really hope that from this, she can take that, like, hey, you can't control people.
00:20:29.620And it's better just to focus on yourself.
00:20:33.000Here's a little more, uh, from post the match, right after, right after the match that Wednesday.
00:22:30.520She says you have no education and you have no class.
00:22:33.880And to me, it was an Ostapenko has got a like a long list of bad behavior on her resume.
00:22:39.120So I make no excuses for her bad behavior, like just her general cantankerous nature.
00:22:43.520But I'm just saying to racialize that comment, to say like you can't say to a black player that you you lack education, you lack class in this context in which you're complaining that she failed of a moment of basic etiquette.
00:32:54.960She's totally in a position to set the right tone on this.
00:32:58.180As I have to say, a woman with whom I have absolutely no agreements on anything political, Martina Navarrola, I disagree with her on everything except for this one issue, where she has spoken out about it.
00:33:11.420But Venus Williams could not find the courage.
00:33:42.820You could open yourself up to a whole new audience.
00:33:45.080It's like when Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala because she was, you know, couching Kamala as the savior of women who was going to protect women's rights.
00:33:51.460Kamala wanted open borders, men and women's sports, abortion to the last minute.
00:33:55.420So I just don't really understand some of these girls who come out on the wrong side of history.
00:33:59.500Open yourself up to a majority of the country who's here and being moderate and having common sense.
00:34:04.660Yes, it's a total missed opportunity to lead, to show courage.
00:34:09.420You know, there's more than just courage on the court when you're hitting the round yellow ball, Venus.
00:34:13.620This was another opportunity and you blew it.
00:34:16.320I hope you rectify it along with Serena.
00:34:18.960OK, now we started it off with the discussion of Taylor Townsend, this U.S.
00:34:23.900tennis star who doesn't like being told she lacks etiquette or education because she thinks that's a racial slur against her.
00:34:32.420Um, there is another black woman who I want to discuss who absolutely does have education.
00:35:07.120Maybe because these people, they are crazy because they always talk about how Christian they is.
00:35:13.140Yeah, I don't know how many of them on that side are getting divorced because they getting caught up sleeping with their co-workers, staffers, interns, all the things.
00:36:27.640Maybe because these people, they are crazy because they always talk about how Christian they is.
00:36:31.860Yeah, I don't know how many of them on that side are getting divorced because they're getting caught up sleeping with their co-workers, staffers, interns, all the things.
00:39:02.320But, I mean, there was all sorts of eyewitness testimonials from current and former staff saying what a bully she is.
00:39:08.740Marjorie Taylor Greene was here telling me about how she's got some guy she uses who follows her around to carry her big handbag, to put her pillow behind her back.
00:39:16.780She thinks she is Queen Latifah, actually.
00:39:19.560Maybe that's what she's going for, an actual queen, though.
00:39:22.900All right, now you mentioned Cory Booker.
00:39:24.120She's driven around in, like, a motorcade.
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00:51:49.500A verdict in the Donna Adelson case we've been telling you about.
00:51:53.260Plus, rapper Cardi B is going viral for her courtroom antics.
00:51:57.300We have the video and the verdict there, too.
00:51:59.280Joining me now to react to all of this, two contributors to our new MK True Crime podcast, which is on fire over on YouTube and on podcasts.
00:52:35.620This trial provided quite a bit of drama.
00:52:39.220And Dave, I mean, I know it's personal for you because you were friends with the victim.
00:52:43.520Just as a refresher for the audience who might not have been paying attention to it, the victim was shot and killed.
00:52:50.920He'd been married to a woman named Wendy Adelson and they had two sons and they lived in Tallahassee and she really wanted to move down south in Florida to be closer to her mom.
00:53:10.600That Daniel, he said, no, I want to stay in Tallahassee where I'm a college professor and I don't want you to take our boys down there either.
00:53:16.540And then the grandmother just received an unfavorable ruling from a judge up in Tallahassee saying either preventing her from seeing them unsupervised, but it was something limiting her ability to see her grandsons in the way she wanted.
00:53:30.780And before you knew it, the decedent, Daniel Markel, Markel was killed.
00:53:36.260He was murdered and it turned out he was murdered by two hit men, two hit men who were hired by this woman.
00:53:43.780And this woman had been dating slash working part time for the murder victim's wife's brother.
00:53:53.200So what the evidence has shown is that Wendy appears to have she's been accused.
00:53:59.460She's the only one who hasn't been formally charged.
00:54:01.220But it certainly looks like Wendy and definitely Wendy's mother, Donna, wanted Dan dead.
00:54:08.260And one of them, the jury has just said Donna, hired, went through her son, Charlie, who is the brother of Wendy, went through her son and said, go have Wendy's husband killed.
00:56:05.740Megan, this was an easy one for those of us who followed the case.
00:56:09.620And the jury got it right in three and a half hours, which is about the same amount of time they took to convict Charlie, the victim's brother-in-law.
00:56:18.100The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
00:56:51.060In fact, the prosecution tipped their hand and made this case a bit about Wendy.
00:56:56.700They showed evidence we didn't know before.
00:56:58.300Like, for example, did you know that Donna, the now convicted mother-in-law, she had Danny, the victim's make model of his car, and his license plate in her day planner from the year 2014, which was two years after the divorce.
00:57:16.000Why would the ex-mother-in-law have Danny's license plate in her day planner?
00:57:20.880And who would give that license plate information to her?
00:57:23.880Remember, the killers followed Danny from the gym, tailed his car, and then went up to him when he arrived home and shot him in the head.
00:57:41.040And, yeah, we learned some of these points because the defense, Donna's defense, started to kind of point the finger at Wendy, which showed their desperation because so far the mother seems to have been running cover for Wendy.
00:57:53.140The mother appears to have killed for Wendy.
00:57:55.400I mean, and herself because she wanted more access to her grandkids.
00:57:59.040That's at least what the jury has said, that she's the grandmother of the two boys.
00:58:04.880And it wasn't that tough, Donna, because once we saw the video of Donna fleeing and the cops tracking her down at the airport and arresting her, it was like, who flees?
00:58:17.100I mean, I guess you could flee if you just thought you were going to be convicted and you were innocent.
00:59:01.720And the jury was not fooled, I don't think, for a second by anything the defense put up.
00:59:08.560And can I, and I don't look, I don't like criticizing other attorneys, but what defense was there, really?
00:59:14.680I mean, if we reanalyze it now, there wasn't much of a defense.
00:59:18.600This was kind of a week long of just sort of shuffling along and hoping that some juror was going to have some sort of sympathy for this granny.
01:00:55.860You have been sitting here hearing testimony for almost two weeks, and there's not a single piece of evidence that connects my client to that murder.
01:04:19.120It's just I can't stand when I see lawyers talking like that.
01:04:22.420It's a little bit lazy when you have to refer to your notes.
01:04:25.320She could have said something a little more, I don't know, upbeat, like, I guess Donna didn't learn in murder for hire school that if you're going to talk in code, both of you need to talk in code instead of having the person who's receiving your code decoding it on your call, right?
01:04:55.360So it was actually a major point that Donna Adelson's team could not talk her out of.
01:05:03.160And I have to go back to the other thought that you showed when her defense attorney was closing and saying, look, there's not a single piece of evidence tying her to the crime.
01:06:11.700Interestingly there, Dave, that was the defense.
01:06:15.780So it's her mother's lawyer doing that cross-examination of her.
01:06:20.540And honestly, that's what's so galling about these murder-for-hire plots when they're orchestrated by the spouse, which I believe this one was.
01:06:53.700It's the most callous, like, sociopathic thing one can do.
01:06:58.280So there she is with her blonde hair, perfectly coiffed, and all her makeup on, trying to look, oh, I'm so attractive, and I didn't have anything to do with this.
01:07:31.920And I do believe that at the next grand jury in Tallahassee that Georgia Kaplan, the prosecutor, will go before that grand jury and seek an indictment against Wendy for first-degree murder.
01:07:43.040I think it's pretty much inevitable at this point.
01:07:53.340And what's curious is that the defense really didn't have a strategy.
01:07:56.300For most of the cross-examination of Wendy, who testified under immunity, the defense lawyer was very supportive and friendly to her and then, like, turned on a switch and at the end went after her.
01:08:22.600The escape tape going off on the airport is a tough, that's a tough card to be dealt as the defense attorney, as is the conversation after the so-called bump by law enforcement meant to get you to pick up the phone and call your co-conspirator and start talking about the crime.
01:08:50.240There was a very funny thing on Twitter years ago, and it was exactly right.
01:08:53.960It was saying, you know, pro tip, if you commit a crime with somebody and that person calls you back at some point after the crime and wants to go back over every detail of the crime you committed, the only proper response is, no, that is not a thing.
01:09:17.820So what's your take, Jonna, on whether there is—because, you know, we looked at the trial of Donna, we looked at the evidence against Donna, even before it started, looked like there was pretty good evidence against Donna.
01:09:27.680But I don't know if we can say the same against Wendy.
01:09:29.940I've been wondering why Wendy is the last domino to fall in this case, and why wasn't she the first?
01:09:38.200I mean, look, this involved her children.
01:10:09.960But in order for the mother to get behind this, don't you think Wendy has to be, mom, he won't let me move, which there was also evidence of, and then mama bear swept in to try to make it happen?
01:10:24.520Wendy should have been first, not last.
01:10:26.940I do think she will be indicted, but Dave and I were talking off air.
01:10:30.920There's a tiny, tiny piece of me that thinks maybe they're going to let this go.
01:10:37.480Well, what do we think the—I like what you said about the license plate being in Donna's address book.
01:10:43.280That's evidence against both Donna and potentially Wendy, too.
01:10:46.340There's no way she didn't get it from Wendy.
01:10:48.000But what do we know, Dave, about the evidence they have against Wendy?
01:10:51.980Well, first of all, just to address what Jonna said, I do think a reason why they delayed on Wendy is because they wanted her testimony in all the trials of the co-defendants.
01:11:00.660And if she had been charged, they wouldn't get her testimony.
01:11:02.920So I think that's one reason why they waited.
01:11:04.500But it would be a tougher case against Wendy.
01:11:06.600But they've got good evidence, like I said, the license plate.
01:13:24.080She's this member of the Board of Governors that's at the Fed that oversees the Federal Reserve.
01:13:30.900And Bill Pulte of the Fair Housing Administration has found a bunch of examples, he says, of her committing what he calls mortgage fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud, all sorts of criminal fraud.
01:13:42.100Because she applied for houses by saying that they were going to be her primary residences when he says they weren't.
01:13:48.520Applied for one house saying it would be her secondary residence when, in fact, it was going to be a rental property and so on.
01:13:53.920Two of those, at least, have been referred now to grand juries, one in Ann Arbor, Michigan, one in Atlanta, Georgia.
01:14:00.280So they are using a grand jury, I think, to investigate and get more information and subpoena people and get to the bottom of this.
01:16:57.480You know, I normally agree with my friend John on the true crime stuff.
01:17:01.200On the legal, political stuff, we have a little difference.
01:17:03.900And part of it is that as a former prosecutor, I'm all for going after people who commit crimes.
01:17:09.120My hesitancy here is just make sure that it's not selective prosecution because there was a 2023 report that came out from the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia that found that one third of single family home investors misrepresent their occupancy status on their mortgage application.
01:17:30.380But at the same time, you want to make sure the only people you're prosecuting aren't your political enemies, because if you want to avoid the politicization.
01:17:38.160But does it soften you at all that she's been elevated to a position overseeing the Federal Reserve?
01:17:44.220You know, this is our most prestigious economic body in the United States.
01:17:49.280It oversees mortgage rates, for God's sake.
01:17:52.560Well, I would hope that wouldn't be the reason why the prosecutors are going after her, because Trump wants to shape the Fed in his own image and would love her to be out.
01:18:01.820And the fact that this guy, Martin, is apparently in charge of the investigation, Ed Martin, the guy who was found in a trench coat like he's Inspector Clouseau outside Letitia James' home, it doesn't give me a lot of confidence.
01:18:13.500So if you want to avoid the weaponization of government, don't weaponize the government.
01:18:16.880That's the only thing I'm saying here.
01:18:18.360Well, that's a warning you should have given to your own side back when they they they're the ones who started this mess with Trump.
01:18:52.220And I swore an oath before the Senate and otherwise that I would root out mortgage fraud and that I would ensure that there's safety and soundness in the mortgage market.
01:19:15.260A big part of the reason that there was a housing crash was because people were buying mortgages and engaging in mortgage fraud.
01:19:21.140So I'm not going to be intimidated from pursuing mortgage fraud just because somebody has the special title of being a Fed governor.
01:19:28.020I was persuaded by that, Jonna, and I have to say it really you could see a market impact if you really do have one third of homeowners lying about the purpose of their home in order to get more favorable mortgage rates and favorable down payment rates.
01:19:44.920Like the whole reason that they want you to tell the truth is that that they get so they can accurately assess the risk of giving you this loan.
01:19:53.460So if you have all these loans out there that have been inaccurately assessed, then we are in danger.
01:19:59.160And we saw what happened to the country the last time the mortgage system imploded.
01:20:14.960If you think about it, where everybody who hasn't committed it is a victim, right?
01:20:21.680Because it's going to affect your mortgage rate, my mortgage rate, no matter how many houses that you own.
01:20:26.140It's going to affect people who are going into foreclosure and bankruptcy and all this stuff.
01:20:29.620So we need to keep it even for the rest of us.
01:20:33.800It just adds insult to injury when the person who's basically partly responsible for creating the rates, et cetera, is the one, you know, with her thumb on the scale, so to speak.
01:20:47.140What do you think should happen to her, Dave?
01:20:49.840And you know what I filled out when we got our mortgage for our second home?
01:20:52.800Second home, because I'm not a liar or a fraudster or a criminal.
01:20:57.320Why should she get this break on her second and third home that I didn't get, that nobody else who's telling the truth when they get their second home, they should be so fortunate, got?
01:22:19.520Even her lawyer's alleged denial is she didn't commit fraud.
01:22:24.720He said on Tuesday in a court filing, she did not ever commit mortgage fraud.
01:22:29.680That is not the same, Jonna, as saying she did not say primary residence for two residences at the same time and misclassify a secondary residence, which was in fact a rental property.
01:24:08.680I think you can argue that with the judge initially, and then you can argue it in trial if the judge allows it.
01:24:16.600And that could be the jury nullification tool, which we've seen, by the way, in Washington, D.C.
01:24:20.720It's like this passive-aggressive way that the D.C. grand jurors have been rejecting Jeanine Pirro's attempts to get all these federal indictments.
01:24:28.740This is an area that doesn't like Trump too much and is pushing back in their own way.
01:24:33.460Like, on that, we did a report on that on AM Update this morning on these grand jurors not indicting people who have committed crime just as like an F you to Trump.
01:24:44.320I mean, the rest of us are living in towns where we are hoping our law enforcement are more like Dave Ehrenberg and actually will bring cases that are justifiably brought.
01:24:52.880When you see a crime right in front of you, you bring it, and the grand jury should indict it.
01:37:04.740She successfully fought back against that guy who was suing her, even though he was the one allegedly who plowed into her on the ski slope.
01:37:16.700And in the past, perhaps, you know, the celebrities didn't want the negative publicity,
01:37:19.900but I think they're starting to get good publicity by standing up to people who see them as a windfall, as a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
01:37:29.160I feel like they can all thank Johnny Depp for giving them the example of how not to just roll over.
01:37:35.180Like there actually might be a greater value in standing up and fighting.
01:37:38.360Okay, last but not least, I want to get to this.
01:37:40.660Um, not long ago, we had on the show, um, Kash Patel's girlfriend.
01:37:46.160She came on the show because she wanted to set the record straight.
01:37:49.180Trying to find my notes here on exactly the status of the lawsuit.
01:37:52.720Um, people were calling her a Mossad agent and accusing her of being part of a honeypot operation.
01:38:00.140Like where you're a spy and you cozy up to somebody just to like compromise them.
01:38:05.860And she came on the Megyn Kelly show to set the record straight and say, this isn't true.
01:38:24.340Um, that is, that is a firm no on that front.
01:38:26.800Okay, her name is Alexis Wilkins and now she's sued one of the podcasters who said this about her, a guy named Kyle Serafin, um, for defamation because he said explicitly, well, the following.
01:38:45.280He's had his own little honeypot issue that's been going on of late.
01:38:48.020So we're just going to acknowledge it real publicly.
01:38:49.720He's got a girlfriend that's half his age who apparently is both a country music singer, a political commentator on Rumble, a friend now of John Rich through Bongino, who also owns a big chunk of Rumble.
01:39:03.360And she's also a former Mossad agent in what is like the equivalent of their M, their NSA.
01:39:09.020Well, I'm sure that's totally because like, she's really looking for like a cross-eyed, you know, kind of thickish built, super cool bro.
01:39:26.500He's, he's got a problem because he stated it as though it were a fact.
01:39:31.480He did not say in my opinion, or she's probably, he stated it like it's a fact and suggesting that she's betraying her country by, by sleeping with the FBI director.
01:39:42.600So she can give dirt back to the Mossad in Israel, a place she's never been.
01:39:46.520She has absolutely no connection with them whatsoever.
01:39:49.060There's no question that's defamatory, Dave, but is it actionable?
01:39:52.340Like will the, will the civil suit against him go anywhere?