The Megyn Kelly Show - Fake Theater Kids Booker and Markle, Adelson Guilty and Cardi B Wins, with Link Lauren, Dave Aronberg, and Jonna Spilbor ｜ Ep 1142

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at noon east.

00:00:43.020 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show and happy Friday.

00:00:47.680 Coming up, we're going to have a can't miss hour of Kelly's court. 0.52

00:00:50.160 The dramatic end to the trial of Donna Adelson found guilty on all counts.

00:00:56.940 Her reaction to the verdict caused the judge to have the jury exit the courtroom. 0.99

00:01:01.740 It was traumatic with two of our contributors to MK True Crime, including one who knew the victim in the Adelson case.

00:01:08.720 But first, drama at the U.S. Open.

00:01:11.380 We got drama at the U.S. Open with tears, outbursts, anger, accusations of racism.

00:01:16.660 We got drama in the NFL. There's sports drama.

00:01:19.960 So who better to discuss it than yours truly and Link Lauren?

00:01:23.920 I mean, because when you think sports, you think about the two of us, Link.

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00:01:33.440 I was laughing. I was like, I have to admit, I'm interested in these stories.

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00:03:13.720 I guess we'll just start with the NFL because that's the most recent thing that happened last night.

00:03:18.020 It was my husband's Eagles against the Dallas Cowboys and the Eagles won.

00:03:24.540 And here's here's what got my attention.

00:03:28.280 My pal Greg Kelly was over on Newsmax and I love Greg.

00:03:32.120 We go way back. He's one of the I think he was actually the very first guy I ever shared an office with at my very first day at Fox News back in August of 2004.

00:03:43.180 So good God, 21 years ago. Anyway, Greg's got it all.

00:03:48.340 Former Marine. He was like with the troops as we went into Fallujah or into Iraq and he had the helmet on.

00:03:55.460 Anyway, he's a badass. But he's on Newsmax and he has had it up to here with woke NFL stuff.

00:04:02.240 And I think he speaks for a lot of us because what I saw at the game was once again.

00:04:10.400 Now, we are five years post George Floydapalooza.

00:04:14.760 We had to begin the game with the black national anthem.

00:04:18.960 We can't just have the national anthem.

00:04:21.400 We have to have the lift every voice and sing anthem, special anthem just for black people, which is just so why, why, why? 1.00

00:04:30.540 And then here was Greg Kelly weighing in on how he's had it up to here with the NFL in general.

00:04:37.860 I can't stand the NFL. I'm boycotting football basically forever.

00:04:42.960 They helped ruin this country. All right. They came pretty damn close during an election year.

00:04:48.580 They call for immediate change. I don't need it. And I don't think you do either.

00:04:54.440 There are so many better things we could do with our time.

00:04:56.840 Look, I like football, the sport. I played it as a little kid on the Pee Wee League, you know.

00:05:05.660 But what do we get out of it, really?

00:05:08.740 You know, watching those guys get exercise, make money, get ahead in their lives while we just sit there and watch them and bet our own money sometimes on it.

00:05:19.640 I want out. By the way, I don't trust it. Sometimes some of these Super Bowl games seemed almost rigged.

00:05:27.580 And I'll tell you what's really phony, that Kelsey, Travis, Taylor Swift, whatever the hell that thing is.

00:05:33.400 It is fake. It is a strategy for I don't know what I don't care.

00:05:38.400 I don't know why people would really care, but I think it's a great big corporate project.

00:05:43.140 And here's what he was what else he was calling attention to this woke ad that the NFL put out in 2021.

00:05:50.500 And he ran a bunch of Roger Goodell clips of him totally bending the knee after George Floyd apologizing to the players forever chastising them for not standing for the national anthem.

00:06:04.720 We were wrong. You know, he was one of those self-flagellating guys.

00:06:09.320 And it's never stopped because even last night in the opening game of the season, Link, we had the you know, they had these social justice messages in the end zone like end racism.

00:06:21.880 And they had one last night, which was I think it it takes all of us.

00:06:27.360 And they're saving the end racism ones we just learned for all the international games, I guess, to lecture our friends overseas about how they, too, need to end racism.

00:06:38.060 And it really is kind of amazing. We're still dealing with this utter bullshit five years after George Floyd. 0.83

00:06:44.740 Well, what's interesting is I feel like the NFL is probably the least racist sport because you have so many black men making tens of millions of dollars and they're exceptional. 0.98

00:06:54.660 So I don't see where there is racism in football. Maybe I'm naive. I know I'm the whitest person on Earth.

00:06:59.760 I'm like Casper, so I'm not sure I'm in the best position to opine on this topic.

00:07:03.280 But whenever I watch football, there are a lot of African-American men making millions of dollars supporting their families.

00:07:09.240 And it's a merit based sport. That's what I love about it.

00:07:12.260 They're not chosen based on skin color. They're chosen. Can you run fast? Can you make a touchdown?

00:07:16.700 Can you do this? Things that we cannot do here on screen.

00:07:19.400 But it's merit based. And that's what I love about it.

00:07:21.460 And the thing about Black Lives Matter, the people still going with Black Lives Matter. 0.98

00:07:25.100 So many of the black leaders in America have come out in the past two or three years and said, you know, I think that was kind of a scam. 0.82

00:07:30.840 I think Black Lives Matter was actually a scam. Where did the money go?

00:07:34.000 Did it do anything to help the black community? No. 0.99

00:07:36.420 And the last thing I'll say is this. The messages I get on social media from black people are we are not a monolith.

00:07:41.600 We're not monolithic. Like every four years, the Democrats come around and they think that there's one black voter.

00:07:46.540 They're like, no, we can vote for Trump this time. We can vote our best interests. We can do what we want.

00:07:50.740 So I'm not sure why these folks are still going with all the Black Lives Matter and racism stuff.

00:07:54.940 Just let people watch football and have a good time.

00:07:57.600 I know. What do they think they're doing? The country has had enough of this.

00:08:01.820 It's such a pander. And I guess Roger Goodell thinks that like he's he's got to, I don't know, pander to his largely black teams.

00:08:09.600 And so like, are they clamoring for this? Do they want to see this stupid it takes all of us meaningless message in the end zones? 0.99

00:08:17.820 I'm pretty sure those guys just want to earn money and play football. 1.00

00:08:21.140 And that with the passage of time, almost everyone has seen how stupid that whole thing was. 0.99

00:08:29.240 You know, we're covering over we're paving over all the BLM messages on the roads like people are past it. 0.99

00:08:35.860 We're over it. We're over the gender nonsense, the pronoun nonsense. 1.00

00:08:40.380 Even AOC took her pronouns out of her Twitter bio.

00:08:44.080 So does. So did Pete Buttigieg.

00:08:45.860 And we're over the stupid and racism, black national anthem nonsense in the NFL. 1.00

00:08:52.060 It's like you're hanging by a thread. 1.00

00:08:54.640 Why? Why make it tougher on yourselves to get that last and very important segment of your audience back in your corner, which is middle America?

00:09:04.520 Exactly. And I feel like identity politics is so passe.

00:09:09.140 But for these folks on the left and in the mainstream media, they're still on that bandwagon of five, ten years ago.

00:09:14.260 We're not doing identity politics anymore.

00:09:16.080 OK, we want a merit based society.

00:09:18.020 We want a merit based administration, merit based country, merit based sports teams.

00:09:21.680 That's what we want. All of this identity.

00:09:23.520 And of course, the same thing happens to me.

00:09:24.980 People say because of how you are, you should think a certain way, vote a certain way.

00:09:28.760 You should do this.

00:09:29.740 Hell no, I'm going to vote for my best interest and do what I want.

00:09:32.400 So I think all of the identity politics, whether it's black, Asian, gay, straight, bi, whatever, is all out of style.

00:09:38.680 And I think these folks are just living in the past.

00:09:41.080 Totally.

00:09:42.000 Here is Outkick wrote this.

00:09:44.820 Hold on a second.

00:09:45.400 Where is it?

00:09:46.400 Earlier in August.

00:09:47.780 They said this week the NFL announced that for the sixth consecutive season, it would force the league's teams to display some sort of political social justice message behind the end zones.

00:09:57.260 Bizarrely, five previous seasons of this performative gesture has not seemed to solve all of society's ills.

00:10:04.320 But the NFL remains undeterred.

00:10:06.820 This year will be the time that racists see the end racism message and decide to no longer be racists.

00:10:14.320 Thank you, Roger Goodell.

00:10:16.120 It's a good point.

00:10:16.820 What in the hell is the end racism message actually doing other than all this performative BS, like land acknowledgments by the left, just making them feel superior or like they checked a box and they're good people?

00:10:32.040 No, absolutely.

00:10:33.140 I'm tired of the land acknowledgments.

00:10:34.760 I'm tired of the multiple national anthems, mainly because I just don't have that much of an attention span.

00:10:39.340 I have to sit through multiple anthems and singing and performance.

00:10:42.400 Let's do one national anthem and then let's get on with the game.

00:10:45.080 Okay, let's get on with it and stop all the shenanigans.

00:10:47.740 We don't need multiple national anthems.

00:10:49.420 I also think, yes, there are people who are racist in this country.

00:10:53.100 But when you travel across the country, a majority of Americans get along.

00:10:57.060 They just want to pay their bills, feed their kids, take care of a loved one, have their kids go to school and not get indoctrinated.

00:11:02.620 People aren't that focused on each other in general. 0.67

00:11:05.260 So all of this focus on racism to me is just a little bit ridiculous, especially at a sporting event.

00:11:10.400 We have people of all different backgrounds and persuasions coming together under one roof.

00:11:14.980 And sports is the number one unifier and equalizer.

00:11:17.600 So why do you even need the end racism message?

00:11:19.620 So all of it's just a bunch of buffoonery to me.

00:11:21.820 It doesn't make any sense, but maybe you just shouldn't.

00:11:24.160 I'm not a big sports person.

00:11:25.200 Who knows?

00:11:25.700 Well, the NFL would never consider DEI amongst its players.

00:11:29.420 Never.

00:11:29.700 I mean, what are you going to have a bunch of like five foot five Asian men out there who weigh less than I do? 0.99

00:11:35.980 You're going to have the Link Loren's of the world. 1.00

00:11:37.400 You're going to have the Megyn Kelly's of the world or the younger version running around. 1.00

00:11:40.540 It's just not going to happen.

00:11:41.580 We all know that.

00:11:42.400 Like it's the same with the NBA.

00:11:44.940 Like you don't DEI those groups. 1.00

00:11:48.380 You just got to DEI any sport that's dominated by, I guess, white people, which is just all of it is just so fucked up and wrong. 1.00

00:11:54.780 I'm a DEI hire at MK Media because I'm also blonde, and there are a lot of blondes cropping up at MK Media. 0.99

00:12:03.340 You have to be blonde, you have to be aggressive. 1.00

00:12:06.040 You do, and you have to be attractive.

00:12:07.820 There's an attractiveness quote, and I'm not going to lie.

00:12:10.700 I don't want to stare at unattractive people all day.

00:12:13.640 Okay, there was some drama.

00:12:15.540 I'm just raising this now because it's going to come back in our next chat, which is also sports.

00:12:22.700 We're going to move on to tennis in a second.

00:12:24.780 There was drama last night because there was a big player named Jalen Carter for the Eagles who got kicked out of the game, opening game of the season, because he spat on another player.

00:12:41.780 Let's see it.

00:12:43.340 Do we have it?

00:12:44.100 Yeah.

00:12:45.340 Okay, so now here it starts with, you can see Carter, but it starts with the player for the Cowboys who's named Dak Prescott.

00:12:52.580 He does like a little spit first.

00:12:54.840 There's the big spit.

00:12:55.800 We're going to replay it.

00:12:56.780 Here's his spit. 0.98

00:12:58.060 Here's the Cowboys spit. 1.00

00:12:59.880 It's not exactly at the Eagle, but it's directionally at.

00:13:04.960 And now here's the one by Carter that directly spat at the Cowboy, getting him ejected from the game, Link Lauren.

00:13:14.580 And I have to say, very poor showing.

00:13:18.360 Poor Doug.

00:13:18.800 I'm constantly razzing him about the Eagles because I'm still not over the fact they hired Michael Vick, dog torturer, who just did the most vile, terrible things to a bunch of dogs for a very, very long time.

00:13:30.900 And I was never satisfied he was truly sorry.

00:13:33.620 But in any event, there they go again, behaving terribly, actually spitting on each other before the game starts, Link.

00:13:42.240 No, I know.

00:13:42.940 As someone from Dallas, I think I'm a little bit embarrassed by all of this.

00:13:46.620 But, yeah, no, there's something very homoerotic about it. 0.98

00:13:48.800 I mean, what are these men doing spitting on each other and getting each other's faces?

00:13:51.980 If someone's going to spit on me, you better buy me a drink first, okay?

00:13:55.040 I want diamonds, okay?

00:13:56.760 Like, if you're going to spit in my face, please absolutely not.

00:14:00.220 So, no, there's something very homoerotic and, like, Grecian about it, like they're in the Parthenon. 0.99

00:14:04.880 I love it.

00:14:05.680 I think more spitting and more bumping of the chest.

00:14:08.420 I want to know what happened afterward.

00:14:10.060 That's what I want to know.

00:14:11.740 That's like me at the TSA.

00:14:13.300 I'm like a little to the left, a little harder.

00:14:16.660 Literally, the last time I was at the airport in Chicago, they pulled me aside.

00:14:21.120 They're like, we have to go get a man because you're a guy. 0.96

00:14:23.540 We have to get a guy to pat you down. 0.93

00:14:25.180 The most thorough pat down, I was like, oh, my God, I haven't had this much affection in a while.

00:14:29.840 There's a lot of physical contact with this guy, this poor Hispanic man who's like – and I'm like, I promise you, I promise you I'm not a terrorist.

00:14:37.920 Look, I think I'm good and, you know, a very thorough investigation.

00:14:40.440 The next trip to the airport, you're washing your hands in TNT, putting it all over your body. 0.94

00:14:46.600 No, don't say that.

00:14:48.040 Don't say that, people.

00:14:49.240 Okay, so that's what happened in the NFL last night.

00:14:53.320 By the way, the Eagles won, so go Birds.

00:14:56.140 Yes.

00:14:56.960 Now, tonight, Doug and I are actually going to the U.S. Open, and I'm really excited.

00:15:02.080 We try to make it every year, at least every other year if we can.

00:15:05.360 It's in New York, which is close, and we're excited because we are big tennis fans,

00:15:09.580 and it looks like we're going to see the match that has Yannick Sinner playing against a guy whose name I cannot pronounce.

00:15:17.180 Going to be very exciting.

00:15:18.660 Looking forward to the whole thing.

00:15:19.940 But there has been some bad behavior in the headlines in the U.S. Open over the past couple of weeks,

00:15:26.700 and, again, it was so controversial that it made it over into the news lane and caught my attention.

00:15:32.400 Now, I love tennis, but I only know, like, the top, top people.

00:15:36.900 You know, my husband knows all of them, and my kids know all of them.

00:15:40.640 There is a female player named Taylor Townsend, and she got into it with Helena, Jelena, not sure how you pronounce it,

00:15:51.780 Ostapenko.

00:15:53.040 Ostapenko, I think she's Latvian, and Taylor Townsend's American.

00:15:57.880 So I'm going to show you the interaction.

00:16:00.260 It is relevant to what we're going to discuss.

00:16:02.060 The American Taylor happens to be black.

00:16:04.980 Ostapenko is white, and as I said, she speaks Russian, though this exchange is in English.

00:16:10.580 And there was a second-round match between the two of them last Wednesday where Ostapenko got mad.

00:16:16.720 And the reason she got mad, this was explained to me by very smart tennis people,

00:16:21.960 is because she hit a ball—no, sorry, Taylor Townsend hit a ball to her, 0.99

00:16:25.840 and it hit the net and then kind of dinked in in a way that, like, no one could hit.

00:16:32.000 You know what I mean?

00:16:32.600 Which happens, which happens, and it's a fair point for Taylor Townsend.

00:16:35.600 But typically the protocol, like, the etiquette around that would be for the player who got that point,

00:16:41.760 which is kind of a lame point.

00:16:43.060 There's nothing wrong with the point, but it's kind of a lame point to say to the other player,

00:16:47.160 sorry, sorry about that.

00:16:48.480 You know, it's not—you're not really at fault at all.

00:16:51.280 It's just a courtesy. 0.94

00:16:52.200 Like, I know that one kind of sucked. 0.92

00:16:53.960 It sucks when it happens to me. 0.98

00:16:55.280 It sucked when it happened to you. 0.97

00:16:56.800 It's like an etiquette thing.

00:16:58.300 But Taylor Townsend did not do that, and Ostapenko was angry, and Ostapenko lost.

00:17:06.300 So Ostapenko got in the face of Taylor Townsend.

00:17:10.300 And I'm going to play the video.

00:17:12.340 You can't totally make out the exchange, but I'll try to help us through it.

00:17:15.860 Here we go.

00:17:16.760 The opening set of this one, no love lost between these two.

00:17:22.600 You have to say sorry.

00:17:23.980 No, I don't have to.

00:17:25.100 You have to say sorry.

00:17:26.400 No, I don't.

00:17:33.280 The crowd's booing her.

00:17:35.180 Ostapenko.

00:17:36.480 She's giving Taylor an earful.

00:17:39.340 She's giving it right back.

00:17:42.020 Pointing, aggressive-looking, talking.

00:17:44.580 She's pointing the finger in the face. 0.98

00:17:49.540 Okay, now we, and she said to Taylor, you have no education.

00:17:54.180 She said, you have no education.

00:17:56.280 And she was mad that she, that Taylor didn't say the, I'm sorry.

00:17:59.520 She heard her kick it off by saying you have to say I'm sorry.

00:18:01.640 And Taylor said, no, I don't.

00:18:02.720 And then Taylor, at the tail end of that clip, went to the audience and was like, you know, with the arms, like, let's get it going.

00:18:09.840 Because it's a U.S. audience.

00:18:12.520 It's, she's, it's her home court advantage.

00:18:14.600 And then Ostapenko later suggested that that was like a misuse of the crowd.

00:18:18.980 Now, my tennis sources tell me it's actually not a misuse of the crowd, that every player, when they're in front of their hometown audience, uses the audience to intimidate the opposite player.

00:18:30.360 It's kind of, it's done in tennis, so Ostapenko really didn't have grounds to complain.

00:18:35.620 It's like, too bad, you're in America. 0.51

00:18:37.360 She's an American.

00:18:38.660 But the, you don't have education comment, of course, gets racialized by the loons. 1.00

00:18:48.440 And unfortunately, this Ostapenko wound up being like, hey, I'm very sorry for that.

00:18:54.160 In no way am I racist, nor did I mean that as a racist thing.

00:18:57.060 She was meaning, like, educate yourself on the etiquette, right?

00:19:00.680 And then Taylor Townsend had a great moment when she was asked to press her, what do you make?

00:19:06.340 She apologized.

00:19:07.480 Like, what do you make of it?

00:19:08.780 And the thing to do, Link, was to say, I get it.

00:19:12.700 Tempers flare at these events.

00:19:15.240 You know, it was a, it was a fair match.

00:19:17.180 That was an annoying point.

00:19:18.920 I hear her, you know, like, I'm glad I won, but no hard feelings.

00:19:22.480 That's not how it went.

00:19:24.020 Here is how it went.

00:19:26.540 I think it's, uh, SOT 3.

00:19:28.860 Yeah, I think it's SOT 3.

00:19:30.560 Oh.

00:19:33.100 Wait.

00:19:34.140 Yeah, no, sorry.

00:19:34.920 Four.

00:19:35.280 Four, four, four, four, four.

00:19:37.460 That's nice that, you know, she did that, um, that she apologized.

00:19:43.180 Um, I mean, that's fine.

00:19:45.360 That's cool.

00:19:46.540 At the end of the day, um, I think that it's a learning lesson for her.

00:19:52.020 You cannot push your expectations on other people.

00:19:57.960 And that's ultimately what happened.

00:20:00.320 She expected for me to react a certain type of way.

00:20:03.400 And I didn't.

00:20:04.440 And it infuriated her.

00:20:05.660 And which led her to say things that are hurtful, that are belligerent, that are, um, offensive.

00:20:15.820 Not only to me, but, you know, to the sport and, you know, to a whole culture of people that I try to do my best to represent the best that I can.

00:20:24.500 But I really hope that from this, she can take that, like, hey, you can't control people.

00:20:29.620 And it's better just to focus on yourself.

00:20:33.000 Here's a little more, uh, from post the match, right after, right after the match that Wednesday.

00:20:38.640 Taylor Townsend again, SOT 3.

00:20:40.040 For a lot of black people, hearing no education, no class would be interpreted, and rightfully so, as a dog whistle. 1.00

00:20:50.560 Um, do you believe that that had racial, uh, undertones?

00:20:56.660 I can't speak on what her intentions were.

00:20:59.280 I can only speak on how I handle the situation.

00:21:02.960 And saying you have, I have no education and no class.

00:21:06.580 I don't really take that personally because I know that it's so far from the truth.

00:21:11.340 And if I allow what other people have to say about me, affect me in that way, then they win.

00:21:18.440 I didn't take it in that way.

00:21:20.140 But also, you know, that has been a stigma in our community of, you know, being non-educated and all the things.

00:21:25.540 When it's the furthest thing from the truth.

00:21:28.140 And the most, the thing that I'm the most proud of is that I let my racket talk.

00:21:33.100 She was so close, so close to not taking the bait.

00:21:37.240 But she did take the bait.

00:21:38.840 And then as I play, as I played you a day later, after there was an actual apology, she took it even more.

00:21:44.180 So what do you make of it, Link?

00:21:45.960 Well, it's interesting.

00:21:46.920 I didn't know higher education was a requirement to play sports.

00:21:50.220 Like, is Serena Williams and Mensa?

00:21:52.240 Probably not.

00:21:53.060 I think there are plenty of athletes who can't spell mom backwards. 0.77

00:21:56.100 You know what I'm saying?

00:21:56.720 But they're incredible athletes.

00:21:57.400 Most tennis players don't even go to college.

00:21:59.000 They go right to the pro leagues.

00:22:01.140 Nor should they.

00:22:01.900 Go play.

00:22:02.520 Come on.

00:22:02.820 I've seen challengers on Amazon.

00:22:04.520 So no, I don't think higher education is a requirement to play in sports.

00:22:07.740 Also, I know plenty of white people without class. 0.71

00:22:10.300 Hello, I've been to my family reunion.

00:22:11.980 So these people saying, oh my God, you have to have class and education.

00:22:15.260 And it's a racial comment.

00:22:17.020 No, there are black, Asian, Hispanic people of all different backgrounds.

00:22:20.240 I would say have no class.

00:22:22.340 So I don't think it's necessarily a racial comment in the heat of the moment, especially.

00:22:26.560 So, you know, she says she let that racket talk.

00:22:28.660 So that racket talked, I guess.

00:22:30.520 She says you have no education and you have no class.

00:22:33.880 And to me, it was an Ostapenko has got a like a long list of bad behavior on her resume. 1.00

00:22:39.120 So I make no excuses for her bad behavior, like just her general cantankerous nature.

00:22:43.520 But I'm just saying to racialize that comment, to say like you can't say to a black player that you you lack education, you lack class in this context in which you're complaining that she failed of a moment of basic etiquette.

00:22:58.920 That's what she's saying.

00:22:59.720 You failed to say you were sorry about the shot.

00:23:02.600 Everything has to be racialized. 0.54

00:23:04.420 You know, they're just and of course, you heard the reporter there teeing it up.

00:23:07.600 There was another exchange where a reporter teed it up to Naomi Osaka.

00:23:11.340 Didn't you think it was racist?

00:23:13.640 And, you know, of course, she's like, yeah, it was racist.

00:23:16.480 Like there are just it's like especially the younger crowd, Link, your your crowd loves to racialize everything.

00:23:27.140 Yeah, no, I think maybe she's going for like an NAACP image award or something.

00:23:31.180 She's going to make the rounds on all the shows. 1.00

00:23:32.860 But I think this is what people want to see when they go to sporting events.

00:23:35.860 Like, I don't think Alec and Alaria Baldwin are going to like keep up.

00:23:39.180 Oh, is this love?

00:23:40.020 Is this this?

00:23:40.620 Did they make a point?

00:23:41.640 They're going to see some drama and action.

00:23:43.560 That's part of why people go.

00:23:44.700 It's part of why people tune in.

00:23:46.100 And the guys get into fights all the time.

00:23:47.980 They smash things.

00:23:48.980 They get in each other's faces.

00:23:50.420 I don't see what the big deal is.

00:23:51.900 You know what?

00:23:52.400 You exchange some words.

00:23:53.980 Move on.

00:23:54.740 Get over it, everybody.

00:23:55.860 Let's all grow up.

00:23:56.520 Everyone's so sensitive these days, too.

00:23:58.060 Have you noticed that, Megan?

00:23:59.220 Everyone is just so sensitive.

00:24:00.840 Everyone's a little crybaby.

00:24:02.040 They can't take criticism. 0.50

00:24:03.180 They wear everything on their chest.

00:24:04.680 It's just like get over it.

00:24:05.900 Grow up.

00:24:06.400 I know.

00:24:06.800 I know.

00:24:07.280 Well, one of the players I really like is Medvedev, Daniel Medvedev.

00:24:13.100 He's Russian.

00:24:14.340 They don't show the Russian flag when the Russian players play.

00:24:18.040 Like on the screen, they have no flag. 0.97

00:24:19.940 It's so dumb because of the Ukrainian war. 0.99

00:24:22.360 Like, it's just a man without a country. 0.99

00:24:25.000 You know, we just have to wonder where he's from.

00:24:27.080 It's like, oh, that'll teach Putin.

00:24:29.220 Oh, ha ha.

00:24:30.180 He's going to withdraw the troops tomorrow.

00:24:32.100 Once he sees you're not showing Medvedev's flag when he's out there. 1.00

00:24:35.080 It's so dumb. 0.88

00:24:36.420 But anyway, he's a great tennis player. 0.98

00:24:38.500 We saw him a couple of years in the finals a couple of years ago.

00:24:41.060 He's great.

00:24:41.600 And he's had a couple of struggles the past season.

00:24:46.160 And he was mad at this umpire because what happened was he was in a match and a photographer

00:24:54.120 walked on the court, like not in the middle of them, but like on the court.

00:25:00.420 And the umpire was like, to Medvedev's opponent, he goes, you can take another serve.

00:25:06.940 Like that, that serve you just took while the photographer was walking on the court won't

00:25:11.120 count against you.

00:25:12.460 And he did not, Medvedev did not like that.

00:25:16.920 He wound up yelling at the umpire, umpire, here it is in Sot 8.

00:25:21.640 Wait, please.

00:25:22.400 Not now.

00:25:23.080 Get off the court, please.

00:25:26.200 Looks like a photographer had just come on to the court.

00:25:31.280 Ladies and gentlemen, because of the delay caused by an outside interference.

00:25:34.240 Lindsay getting a first serve, and now Medvedev's going to have a word.

00:25:42.300 Here's Medvedev.

00:25:43.560 He's telling the crowd to make noise.

00:25:45.200 He's mad that the guy's getting another serve.

00:25:47.020 Now to keep booing. 0.94

00:25:48.560 And it's a first serve.

00:25:49.800 How do you want to go home?

00:25:50.840 He wants to go home, guys.

00:25:52.000 He doesn't like to be here.

00:25:53.360 He gets paid by the match, not by the hour.

00:25:55.240 Yeah.

00:25:55.960 What did Riley Opelka say?

00:26:04.000 What did Riley Opelka say?

00:26:06.720 Let's play.

00:26:11.520 So he's very mad, saying this ump gets paid by the match, not by the hour.

00:26:16.280 He wants to go home, trying to get the crowd riled up.

00:26:19.200 And then later, Medvedev lost and smashed his racket.

00:26:23.320 Here it is in V2.

00:26:24.900 Let's watch it.

00:26:30.000 Standby.

00:26:31.180 Video two.

00:26:32.660 Do we have it?

00:26:33.660 There it is.

00:26:34.920 He's sitting and smashing it.

00:26:36.800 I mean, to me, that seems phoned in, Link.

00:26:39.300 I don't know.

00:26:40.100 If you're going to smash, shouldn't you stand?

00:26:41.820 I mean, I'm down the middle on this one.

00:26:45.240 As an influencer, content is content.

00:26:47.520 I've stumbled onto some fields before.

00:26:49.680 You know, you've got to get a picture.

00:26:51.200 So I can't hate the photographer too much.

00:26:53.320 But also, maybe he should have gotten another serve, right?

00:26:55.440 If a photographer is going on the court.

00:26:57.140 I called it the field.

00:26:58.180 If the photographer is going on the court, you know, you might want to get another serve.

00:27:01.800 But yeah, no, smashing the racket.

00:27:03.200 Like I said, this is what we want to see from these gladiators.

00:27:05.480 And they have like 15, 20 rackets.

00:27:07.440 They smashed those things on purpose.

00:27:09.060 Serena Williams has done it.

00:27:10.500 Wasn't it a few years ago?

00:27:11.400 Serena Williams got into it a little bit.

00:27:13.580 Or there was a big emotional moment.

00:27:15.380 This is what people want to see.

00:27:16.660 This is what sports is about for thousands of years.

00:27:18.940 So I don't know why everyone's acting so precious this year.

00:27:21.300 Come on, let's get some drama.

00:27:22.860 I'm fine.

00:27:23.100 No, the greatest, the greatest moment ever.

00:27:25.580 I think we have a cut.

00:27:26.540 If we have a cut, could you bring it over?

00:27:27.900 It's when Serena Williams yelled at that little line umpire, the little line judge. 1.00

00:27:31.880 And even I know this.

00:27:33.160 And I think she said she was going to like, I think if memory serves, it was like, I'm going 1.00

00:27:36.180 to fucking kill you. 0.99

00:27:37.060 It was like an actual threat. 1.00

00:27:38.820 And the little lady was like, oh, she pitter-pattered down the court to the main umpire in the big 1.00

00:27:44.800 chair. 0.85

00:27:45.280 Like, oh, oh, she said she's going to kill me. 0.91

00:27:48.520 I wouldn't cross Serena.

00:27:49.900 No.

00:27:50.340 Oh, my God.

00:27:50.780 Serena could break me with like her pinky finger. 1.00

00:27:52.720 I'm not crossing Serena.

00:27:53.880 Hell no.

00:27:54.880 Absolutely not.

00:27:55.380 So it's, well, I don't think this is, I mean, like he got fined for both of those incidents

00:27:59.940 for yelling at the chair umpire and then for smashing his rack.

00:28:03.240 And I agree with you.

00:28:04.300 Like, it's not good behavior.

00:28:05.820 It's not like it should be encouraged.

00:28:07.080 But the anger on the court in response to a bad call, I think is like understandable.

00:28:12.120 We can't have threats.

00:28:13.120 It's true.

00:28:13.700 We shouldn't have threats.

00:28:14.920 That's excessively bad behavior.

00:28:17.320 We've got more.

00:28:18.640 Speaking of sports, oh, Naomi Osaka's back. 1.00

00:28:23.460 Miss, I need my own mental health room and a mental health break. 1.00

00:28:27.960 And I can't be asked about why I'm not as good on clay because that messes with my mental

00:28:32.280 health.

00:28:33.460 She's back.

00:28:34.240 She's making a comeback.

00:28:35.140 She had a baby.

00:28:35.800 She took some time off for her mental health.

00:28:38.100 And now she's doing well.

00:28:39.580 She was on her way to potentially the finals of the U.S. Open, but she lost last night.

00:28:43.580 But it came to my attention that just one month ago, less than, on August 8th at the Canadian

00:28:51.600 Open, she made it to the finals there.

00:28:54.340 And when she lost in the finals to Canada's Victoria Boko, here's what she said in Sot 8B.

00:29:13.580 Thanks, I guess.

00:29:16.900 I don't really want to take up too much time, so I'll just say thank you to everyone.

00:29:22.640 Thank you to my team.

00:29:24.580 Thank you to the ball kids.

00:29:25.920 Thank you to the organizers and all the volunteers.

00:29:30.220 And I hope you guys had a good night.

00:29:32.180 Noticeably missing from the list of those she thanked was her opponent, who totally looked 0.96

00:29:43.960 up to her and said that Naomi was like a real role model to her.

00:29:49.000 She did not get thanked.

00:29:50.380 She starts it with thanks, I guess.

00:29:52.700 And once again, proves that when the spotlight is on her, she really can't handle the pressure

00:29:58.020 very well.

00:29:58.460 Now, I will say last night she did better, so keep it rolling, Naomi.

00:30:02.480 If you continue losing, show that grace.

00:30:05.220 If you continue winning, even better, show that grace even more so.

00:30:09.480 But this is the woman who we have to thank for now there having to be mental health rooms 1.00

00:30:15.100 at all the tennis venues so that individual players can go with their little mental health

00:30:19.900 guru, you know, like Jennifer Anderson's boyfriend, to be told they're smart enough, 0.70

00:30:24.200 they're good enough, and gosh darn it, people like them.

00:30:26.420 Yeah, absolutely.

00:30:28.160 I don't know what's with all these people who need to be coddled going into careers in

00:30:31.640 the public eye.

00:30:32.640 Like, if you know you're someone who can't handle the heat and can't take the limelight,

00:30:36.700 why are you pursuing a career at major, major in the public eye?

00:30:40.300 But Naomi Osaka, as someone who doesn't even follow sports that closely, anytime I see clips 1.00

00:30:44.600 of Naomi Osaka, she's kind of a downer.

00:30:47.060 She's kind of down.

00:30:47.860 Yeah, meh, I don't know.

00:30:51.580 So, you know, that's really no shock to me for Naomi Osaka.

00:30:54.240 I don't know much about her except those moments where she's being kind of a downer.

00:30:58.140 Yeah, no, that's exactly right.

00:30:59.680 I'll say when Djokovic played his last match, he played it against an American, Taylor Fritz.

00:31:04.960 And so the crowd was totally with Fritz, even though they love Joker, as they call him.

00:31:10.220 This was, you know, it was about backing the American.

00:31:12.660 We haven't had an American man in, like, the finals, I think, since 2003.

00:31:16.720 Is that the stat?

00:31:17.300 Something like that.

00:31:18.180 So they really wanted Fritz to win, and he was losing to Novak.

00:31:22.080 And the crowd was booing him, and they were rough, and they were cheering, you know, his

00:31:26.940 faults, and that's considered bad for him, too.

00:31:30.400 And Novak, to his credit, got out there and started giving the crowd a hard time.

00:31:35.360 You know, like, he started waving his arms at the crowd.

00:31:37.680 He was going to the ump, like, saying, kind of, get them in charge, in control.

00:31:41.900 You know, like, this is supposed to be an elite tennis match.

00:31:44.880 I think that's fine.

00:31:46.260 Give it right back, right?

00:31:47.680 Like, take it like a professional athlete.

00:31:50.060 Don't cry in your soup.

00:31:52.120 Don't mope around.

00:31:54.400 Don't complain about the crowd after the fact, like, they were the reason you lost.

00:31:58.600 You know, give it right back to them.

00:31:59.880 Like, oh, yeah, how do you like me now?

00:32:01.200 Which is exactly what he did.

00:32:02.400 It shows the mark of a true athlete.

00:32:04.460 Okay, last one.

00:32:06.140 Venus Williams is back in the tournament.

00:32:10.500 She's, she, of course, it was one of the best in the world, but now she's gotten older, and so she hasn't been playing.

00:32:15.960 But she's back.

00:32:17.100 And she was asked an important question by independent journalist Nicholas, it says his last name is Ballsy.

00:32:24.780 That one wonders whether that's a real name or this is a plant.

00:32:27.760 Either way, I'm in favor of it.

00:32:29.020 Here's how that went.

00:32:29.720 What's his number?

00:32:30.380 I'm just kidding.

00:32:32.780 Just kidding.

00:32:33.380 I mean, how are you?

00:32:36.480 You have an opinion on biological men playing in women's sports?

00:32:41.060 Any thoughts on that?

00:32:41.980 No, no thoughts on it.

00:32:47.960 Once again, she's failed to say anything about it.

00:32:51.520 She's a leader now.

00:32:53.140 She's an elder stateswoman. 0.97

00:32:54.960 She's totally in a position to set the right tone on this.

00:32:58.180 As I have to say, a woman with whom I have absolutely no agreements on anything political, Martina Navarrola, I disagree with her on everything except for this one issue, where she has spoken out about it.

00:33:11.420 But Venus Williams could not find the courage. 0.99

00:33:14.740 Shame on her. 0.99

00:33:15.280 No, it's funny.

00:33:17.080 These celebrities are still scared of the cancel culture and the cancel mob.

00:33:20.580 It's like, no, come on over.

00:33:21.700 The water's warm over here.

00:33:23.220 A majority of Americans don't think we should have men and women's sports.

00:33:26.060 But I think they're so scared of getting canceled.

00:33:28.320 Maybe they'll lose sponsorships.

00:33:29.560 We see this all the time.

00:33:30.460 But they need to understand a majority of Americans don't want men and women's sports. 1.00

00:33:34.820 And you guys look ridiculous. 0.97

00:33:36.240 And shame on these women who have big platforms, especially in sports, and they're not using them to condemn this. 1.00

00:33:41.520 Why are you not using your platform?

00:33:42.820 You could open yourself up to a whole new audience.

00:33:45.080 It's like when Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala because she was, you know, couching Kamala as the savior of women who was going to protect women's rights.

00:33:51.460 Kamala wanted open borders, men and women's sports, abortion to the last minute. 1.00

00:33:55.420 So I just don't really understand some of these girls who come out on the wrong side of history.

00:33:59.500 Open yourself up to a majority of the country who's here and being moderate and having common sense.

00:34:04.660 Yes, it's a total missed opportunity to lead, to show courage.

00:34:09.420 You know, there's more than just courage on the court when you're hitting the round yellow ball, Venus.

00:34:13.620 This was another opportunity and you blew it.

00:34:16.320 I hope you rectify it along with Serena.

00:34:18.960 OK, now we started it off with the discussion of Taylor Townsend, this U.S.

00:34:23.900 tennis star who doesn't like being told she lacks etiquette or education because she thinks that's a racial slur against her.

00:34:32.420 Um, there is another black woman who I want to discuss who absolutely does have education. 1.00

00:34:38.820 She went to college.

00:34:40.140 She went to a fancy high school.

00:34:42.020 She went to a fancy college.

00:34:43.520 She went to law school and practice law for a couple of years.

00:34:46.840 And now she's a U.S. congresswoman. 0.99

00:34:48.760 But apparently doesn't want us to see any of that in the way she actually behaves. 1.00

00:34:56.040 Here is Jasmine Crockett on some terrible show involving the loser fired Don Lamont and somebody else. 0.97

00:35:06.740 Here we go. 0.98

00:35:07.120 Maybe because these people, they are crazy because they always talk about how Christian they is. 0.96

00:35:13.140 Yeah, I don't know how many of them on that side are getting divorced because they getting caught up sleeping with their co-workers, staffers, interns, all the things. 0.99

00:35:21.440 Oh, my God.

00:35:21.920 Yeah, you ain't got to believe me.

00:35:23.220 Just go Google.

00:35:23.940 You'll find some of it.

00:35:25.180 I'm telling you.

00:35:26.020 And the wives is being messy and petty. 1.00

00:35:28.180 They putting it in the divorce.

00:35:29.920 I'm like, oh, that's got to be true because your lawyer would know that they're going to lose it if they...

00:35:34.440 They're going to lose it, okay?

00:35:37.620 All right.

00:35:38.840 Thoughts, Link, on the reinvention of Jasmine Crockett?

00:35:42.840 We need a new drinking game in Don't Drink and Drive.

00:35:45.580 But every time Jasmine Crockett unveils a new accent, take a shot, okay?

00:35:49.100 You will be blotto in about five minutes because she unveils new accents every five minutes. 0.97

00:35:54.100 Yeah, exactly.

00:35:54.880 She unveils new accents all the time. 0.98

00:35:57.200 And she wants us to forget that she used to speak like this very educated young woman.

00:36:01.220 She used to speak like Eliza Doolittle.

00:36:02.560 Wait, we have it.

00:36:03.100 Three.

00:36:03.720 Here.

00:36:03.900 Listen to her here.

00:36:05.340 SOT 19.

00:36:06.300 My mind, I'm thinking, I just got to Austin and I had to beat five people to get here.

00:36:12.520 I don't know about this.

00:36:13.960 You know, the congressional seat is over four times as large as my house seat.

00:36:18.120 And if you really want to make real change, you really need to consider it.

00:36:22.580 Wait, we've got to hear SOT 18 again.

00:36:24.220 Wait, just now replay SOT 18. 0.95

00:36:27.640 Maybe because these people, they are crazy because they always talk about how Christian they is. 0.54

00:36:31.860 Yeah, I don't know how many of them on that side are getting divorced because they're getting caught up sleeping with their co-workers, staffers, interns, all the things. 1.00

00:36:41.020 Yeah, you ain't got to believe me.

00:36:42.320 Just go Google.

00:36:43.040 You'll find some of it.

00:36:44.280 I'm telling you.

00:36:45.120 And the wives is being messy and petty. 1.00

00:36:47.280 They putting it into divorce.

00:36:48.700 I'm like, oh, that's got to be true because your lawyer would know that they're going to lose it.

00:36:53.660 What's with the refusal to have subject-verb agreement?

00:36:56.560 How is that cool?

00:36:58.460 So like I said, we need a drinking game.

00:37:01.200 When she unveils a new accent, take a shot.

00:37:03.260 She also reminds me of that Steve Martin, Queen Latifah movie, Bringing Down the House.

00:37:07.440 Like she's so stereotypical and she's playing into these stereotypical tropes. 0.55

00:37:11.320 I guess she's trying to play to the lowest common denominator, but she's a fraud. 0.99

00:37:15.160 She's fraudulent. 0.98

00:37:15.920 Like many Democrats, like Cory Booker, they're just these overgrown theater kids. 0.92

00:37:19.960 Like Kamala.

00:37:20.500 As a recovering theater kid, like Kamala, game knows game because I'm a recovering theater kid, so I'm the perfect person to call you out.

00:37:26.300 But if you look at old clips of Jasmine Crockett, she used to speak like Eliza Doolittle. 0.96

00:37:30.260 The rain in Spain falls gently on the plane.

00:37:32.860 Like she was very prim and proper.

00:37:34.640 Now Jasmine Crockett's like, this mofo cracker, like a jack-in-a-book-a-back-a-back-a. 1.00

00:37:38.400 Like what happened to Jasmine Crockett?

00:37:40.580 She has totally been body snatched. 0.95

00:37:42.780 And then Jasmine Crockett, my thing is this.

00:37:44.680 I wouldn't even care that she wants to do the fake accents and like she's auditioning for Bad Girls Club or Real Housewives of Atlanta. 1.00

00:37:51.140 I wouldn't care at all if her district was up and running perfectly.

00:37:55.720 As someone from Dallas, people message me all day long, friends from high school, friends from childhood saying,

00:38:00.520 Oh my God, I live in Jasmine's district.

00:38:02.220 This business is shuddering.

00:38:03.420 We don't ever hear from her.

00:38:04.600 We don't ever see her.

00:38:05.460 So I would overlook all of that if she had some hallmark accomplishments and achievements.

00:38:10.100 But she's busy filming TikToks dancing down the hallway because like all Democrats, they don't want to work.

00:38:15.440 They want to twerk and they want to film videos and dance and break out into song.

00:38:19.100 And I don't think we're even going to have to talk about Jasmine Crockett in a year or two.

00:38:22.340 I don't think she has a future in politics whatsoever.

00:38:24.980 I think she's done.

00:38:26.160 I think she's ready to be done.

00:38:27.660 Can I hear that imitation one more time?

00:38:30.680 This mofo cracker, like a jack-in-a-dee-book-a-book-a-book-a-book-a. 1.00

00:38:33.540 That's what she does. 1.00

00:38:34.460 It's like literally like Big Bird.

00:38:36.580 It's like this Big Bird.

00:38:37.720 She's auditioning for reality show. 0.98

00:38:39.260 She, if anyone has Andy Cohen's number, Andy Cohen, you need to reach out to Jasmine Crockett immediately.

00:38:44.600 Totally.

00:38:45.040 Real Housewives of Potomac or DC, whatever it is.

00:38:47.780 I think she'd be amazing on there. 1.00

00:38:49.080 But in Congress, no.

00:38:50.400 And her people in her district, they're not happy with her either.

00:38:52.820 So she can blame, oh, they're gerrymandering.

00:38:55.040 They're pushing me out. 0.98

00:38:55.800 It's like, no, you probably wouldn't win again anyway because you're a failure. 1.00

00:38:58.480 Yeah, I mean, not to mention she's a bully. 1.00

00:39:00.620 Just read the New York Post. 0.86

00:39:01.460 She denied it. 0.71

00:39:02.320 But, I mean, there was all sorts of eyewitness testimonials from current and former staff saying what a bully she is. 0.98

00:39:08.740 Marjorie Taylor Greene was here telling me about how she's got some guy she uses who follows her around to carry her big handbag, to put her pillow behind her back. 0.97

00:39:16.780 She thinks she is Queen Latifah, actually. 0.99

00:39:19.560 Maybe that's what she's going for, an actual queen, though. 0.97

00:39:22.900 All right, now you mentioned Cory Booker.

00:39:24.120 She's driven around in, like, a motorcade.

00:39:25.840 Anyway, yes, Cory Booker.

00:39:26.800 Yeah, it's never going to happen.

00:39:28.880 We've got to get to Cory Booker.

00:39:30.180 Cory Booker claims that he just got engaged to a woman.

00:39:37.160 And the photos posted online are truly, like, the fakest things I have seen in a long, long time.

00:39:46.440 Like, they are the most over-the-top.

00:39:48.660 Every photo for the listening audience is him with a beautiful-looking Hawaiian gal.

00:39:55.020 She looks Hawaiian.

00:39:56.260 They have the Hawaiian laze on.

00:39:58.560 He's carrying her.

00:40:00.260 The huge, huge smile.

00:40:02.700 Like, you couldn't even make yourself smile as large as these two are smiling in every shot.

00:40:07.600 We're happy!

00:40:09.060 We're in love!

00:40:11.040 Yes, we are!

00:40:12.480 We're hetero!

00:40:13.340 So, your thoughts on his alleged engagement to a woman? 0.99

00:40:20.080 Looking at Cory Booker's engagement photos, I think the only thing faker than those photos is her orgasm later tonight. 0.63

00:40:25.740 I think that's probably what's going to be a lot faker than those photos. 0.95

00:40:29.520 And like you said, why are their mouths so big?

00:40:32.040 How did he find someone else in life who has a mouth as big as his?

00:40:35.080 It should be like an advertisement for Subway.

00:40:37.040 Yes, it's like an advertisement for Subway.

00:40:39.800 You can fit like a whole footlong in there.

00:40:41.540 You could do like a whole veneer advertisement with those things.

00:40:44.440 Massive, massive, massive teeth.

00:40:45.920 The whole thing's super-

00:40:46.700 Here, they look like someone's hurting them. 0.89

00:40:48.780 Someone's like sticking a dagger in their bellies here.

00:40:51.740 It's like, you could easily caption it, 0.78

00:40:53.760 No!

00:40:54.720 Oh! 0.60

00:40:55.560 Help us!

00:40:57.140 It's so manufactured, Link.

00:40:59.980 Well, also, in the announcement, Cory Booker referred to her as his partner.

00:41:04.840 I am tired of the word partner.

00:41:07.220 Okay, unless we're going to the U.S. Open, I don't want to be called a partner.

00:41:10.960 You know what I'm saying?

00:41:11.600 I'm either a boyfriend or a husband.

00:41:13.160 We're not playing pickleball.

00:41:14.700 And men and women, y'all know in the comments what I'm talking about.

00:41:17.480 Years ago, men invented this word partner to kind of skirt responsibility.

00:41:22.020 They knew they kind of had to move out of the girlfriend zone. 0.98

00:41:24.280 They didn't want to really commit to getting the ring and getting engaged.

00:41:27.060 So it's like, this is my partner.

00:41:28.840 No, no, no, no, no.

00:41:29.860 We need to let go of this whole partner nonsense.

00:41:31.900 Y'all are either boyfriend, girlfriend, or your husband and wife.

00:41:34.700 We're not doing this little intermediary, like we're braiding each other's hair and

00:41:37.920 being partners.

00:41:38.740 And Gavin Newsom does the same thing, too, another elite Democrat, which is an oxymoron.

00:41:43.620 But Gavin Newsom uses the term, too.

00:41:45.260 He called his wife, Jennifer Sybil Newsom, his partner, the first partner of California.

00:41:49.960 This woman's given you multiple kids, and she can't even get upgraded to wife? 1.00

00:41:53.640 You can't even call her your wife?

00:41:55.060 You're like, this is my partner.

00:41:56.220 It's like we're in, like, Brokeback Mountain or the Wild West or something.

00:41:58.920 You can't even get called a wife.

00:42:00.120 So I'm tired of all these Democrat, liberal, beta males referring to people as partner.

00:42:04.820 We're done with the word partner.

00:42:06.540 I will say I'm always going to root for love.

00:42:08.680 I don't want to wish any ill will on Cory Booker.

00:42:11.420 I hope they make it down the aisle and to the wedding night.

00:42:14.440 But I think he's just setting himself up to run in 2028.

00:42:17.280 And he doesn't have a prayer.

00:42:18.340 I mean, he was an abject failure in 2020.

00:42:21.080 All he's done, I think, is filibuster for 25 hours on the Senate floor.

00:42:24.420 He has no achievements whatsoever.

00:42:25.740 So the one thing I'll say, though, too, I know I'm filibustering right now, but when

00:42:29.880 I look at these men like Cory Booker, when I look at folks like Chris Murphy, these male

00:42:34.320 senators, right, I hope they don't have daughters because they support men and women's sports. 1.00

00:42:39.160 They support the transing of kids. 0.99

00:42:40.680 They support open borders.

00:42:42.060 They support all these policies that are detrimental to young women's lives, right?

00:42:46.080 They want to basically eradicate women and all these rights they've apparently fought 0.99

00:42:49.660 for for decades.

00:42:50.480 So I hope Cory Booker doesn't have a daughter.

00:42:52.380 And I hope all these Democrats come to the realization, you guys are going to have to

00:42:55.620 support these young girls in the classroom, in the locker room and on the sports field.

00:42:59.200 Or I don't think you should be parents.

00:43:00.540 And Gavin Newsom is the same way.

00:43:02.100 He was going to come down on the side of, you know, I don't think it's fair to have men 0.92

00:43:05.300 and women's sports. 0.99

00:43:06.100 Now he's fighting with the DOJ to keep men and women's sports in his state.

00:43:09.600 And he has daughters.

00:43:10.640 So shame on all of these men, honestly, as parents.

00:43:13.680 I just want to say apropos of absolutely nothing. 0.98

00:43:17.800 I love gay men. 0.99

00:43:19.280 I have a lot of gay friends in my life, but if you are a gay man, you should not marry 1.00

00:43:23.640 a woman. 0.99

00:43:24.700 You should not marry a woman. 1.00

00:43:26.680 I don't care what the reasons are because of your parents, your religion, your political

00:43:31.120 ambitions.

00:43:31.940 You know, I'm just saying this at random.

00:43:34.220 Do not marry a woman and do not have kids with the woman. 1.00

00:43:37.700 Be honest about who you are and follow your true path because you leave a lot of carnage

00:43:42.760 in your wake when you make a choice like that.

00:43:45.600 And it's very unfair to the woman and to the children you're planning on having with 1.00

00:43:51.040 her.

00:43:51.340 Just don't do it.

00:43:52.260 Don't do it.

00:43:52.780 A political future is not a good reason to do such a thing.

00:43:55.760 OK, that's apropos of nothing.

00:43:58.140 We've got to talk about Meghan Markle.

00:43:59.680 She's out with her big season two of With Love, Meghan, which is really such a fake season

00:44:06.120 two.

00:44:06.380 I said this as soon as they announced it.

00:44:07.980 She had just shot extra episodes.

00:44:09.660 And in order to save face when season one got panned, she said, oh, renewed for a second

00:44:14.700 season.

00:44:15.420 Well, really, they're just releasing the extra episodes.

00:44:17.640 It's very obvious. 1.00

00:44:18.480 You're so dumb. 1.00

00:44:19.260 We're not all as dumb as you think we are. 1.00

00:44:21.840 Here she is. 0.99

00:44:22.880 I just want to start with this video.

00:44:24.160 It's video five V five where she is cooking.

00:44:27.520 This is actually posted on her Instagram is like a promo for her show on August 19th.

00:44:31.380 She's cooking and she is wearing thousands of dollars worth of jewelry to promote her. 0.99

00:44:38.420 We we can all relate to each other video or cooking and home, you know, Martha Stewart

00:44:45.200 type show link.

00:44:46.740 That's what she thinks we're going to relate to.

00:44:48.400 Somebody calculated up.

00:44:49.500 It was literally tens of thousands of dollars that she's wearing just on her hands here and 1.00

00:44:55.080 her outfit.

00:44:56.120 And then she decides to be super relatable. 0.98

00:44:59.560 She's known as a bully. 1.00

00:45:00.600 Speaking of bullies, she's bullied so many people out of jobs, according to the Daily 1.00

00:45:04.700 Mail and her biographers.

00:45:07.140 And who does she invite on is one of her big celebrity gets known bully Chrissy Teigen, 0.98

00:45:13.360 who she's bullied countless people online. 1.00

00:45:16.340 She's had to apologize for for bullying a 15 year old.

00:45:20.780 She's absolutely ruthless. 0.97

00:45:22.520 So she decides two bullies get together and met and Chrissy Teigen, yet another super relatable 0.98

00:45:27.880 star, who's allegedly one of her great friends, gets on there and cannot even remember her

00:45:32.860 own children's birthdays.

00:45:34.560 Here's top 30.

00:45:37.860 Tattoo of their birthdays because I don't remember.

00:45:40.660 Sweet.

00:45:41.520 Yeah.

00:45:41.940 So April 14th, May.

00:45:43.700 She's had a tattoo on her arm.

00:45:44.700 Wait, is that 16 or 18?

00:45:45.760 Oh, no.

00:45:46.040 18.

00:45:47.220 Oh, no.

00:45:47.960 That's...

00:45:48.440 John?

00:45:50.020 Is it...

00:45:51.020 Rhett?

00:45:53.000 Or no?

00:45:53.440 Who's this?

00:45:54.300 Miles.

00:45:54.820 It's May.

00:45:56.460 She's asking her husband, John Legend, when their child was born.

00:45:58.900 There we go.

00:45:59.080 It's just...

00:45:59.600 Yeah.

00:46:00.120 Yeah, it's a little bit blurry.

00:46:02.080 It's all right.

00:46:03.020 It's all right.

00:46:03.840 You've got a husband and a tattoo to help you stay on top of all the things. 0.97

00:46:07.360 I'm sorry. 1.00

00:46:10.640 She's an idiot. 1.00

00:46:11.620 Chrissy Teigen is truly an idiot. 1.00

00:46:13.500 Meghan Markle's not an idiot. 1.00

00:46:14.900 But Chrissy Teigen is an idiot and 100% a bully brat. 1.00

00:46:20.660 No. 1.00

00:46:21.220 And speaking of the jewelry, you know, over at the Spot On Bureau, we adhere to the facts.

00:46:25.340 We did our own calculations.

00:46:26.660 I've been telling people it's like $327,000 worth of jewelry.

00:46:30.140 I think that's right.

00:46:31.020 I think it was like hundreds because it was like 200 and something thousand pounds.

00:46:34.580 We calculated it.

00:46:35.500 You know, we're not in Mensa either.

00:46:36.900 So higher education.

00:46:38.680 But yeah, no.

00:46:39.280 I've been telling people it's hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of jewelry.

00:46:41.740 And who doesn't cook and hair extensions and makeup and hundreds of thousands of dollars 1.00

00:46:45.320 worth of jewelry?

00:46:46.140 But no, the thing with Meghan Markle is all of her A-list friends and acquaintances, they

00:46:50.700 have dropped her like a hot potato.

00:46:52.260 Like Oprah wants nothing to do with her.

00:46:53.780 Tyler Perry wants nothing to do with her.

00:46:55.440 Ellen and Portia, they want nothing to do with her because they're career people.

00:46:59.180 They're going to put their careers first.

00:47:00.840 Meghan Markle, she's basically persona non grata. 0.88

00:47:03.020 And her projects fail.

00:47:04.200 Her projects fail time and time again.

00:47:07.120 It's embarrassing.

00:47:08.080 And this cooking show, there's no cooking.

00:47:10.500 We tuned in to watch the first few episodes for research.

00:47:13.180 I'm a martyr.

00:47:13.840 I'm a masochist.

00:47:14.580 I suffer for the audience.

00:47:15.760 But we tuned in to watch With Love, Meghan.

00:47:17.980 She was doing like water marbling, arts and crafts, making flower arrangements. 1.00

00:47:22.240 Then she took vegetables and fruits and dipped them in paint and put them on aprons. 0.73

00:47:26.620 Like it was like watching a woman in an insane asylum, but they're letting her kind of do 0.97

00:47:30.580 arts and crafts where she can't hurt herself.

00:47:32.380 They're like, okay, let her kind of paint with her fingers.

00:47:34.600 Let her do some flower arrangements. 1.00

00:47:36.020 But there's also a Truman Show element where we all know she's kind of nuts and cuckoo 0.98

00:47:40.520 cachoo.

00:47:41.040 But she's not in on the joke, really.

00:47:42.700 Like it's the Truman Show.

00:47:43.740 We're watching her.

00:47:44.780 And even the people Meghan has come over to cook in the kitchen, they're kind of looking at

00:47:48.820 her too in a funny way.

00:47:50.540 And she made a comment in one of the early episodes.

00:47:52.820 She said something nobody answered.

00:47:55.040 Five minutes later, she tries to crack a joke and she goes, oh, nobody's laughing.

00:47:58.860 Even the people over there were like, what are we doing at this rented mansion?

00:48:02.140 Like making, you know, pretzels or whatever.

00:48:04.020 Like it was insane to me. 1.00

00:48:05.640 So no, Meghan Markle, she's a crazy woman. 1.00

00:48:07.440 She's nuts. 0.99

00:48:08.020 I think she's going to have blonde hair in about 12 minutes because Catherine, the princess 0.98

00:48:12.040 of Wales, just went blonde.

00:48:13.540 She's always chasing something and chasing someone else.

00:48:16.620 Like Prince George was on the cover of People magazine.

00:48:18.800 They did a huge spread.

00:48:19.980 He's going to be king someday.

00:48:21.260 Look at George.

00:48:22.120 What does Meghan Markle do? 0.98

00:48:23.220 She posts her little kids on the set of her Netflix show.

00:48:26.080 So she's always trying to do kind of the knockoff sheen version of whatever the real royals

00:48:30.360 are doing over in the UK.

00:48:31.620 Desperate.

00:48:32.180 She's desperate to be like, me too, me too.

00:48:35.920 Also, like this person who's supposed to be so relatable to us, like she's constantly

00:48:39.960 like, you know, I'm just like you.

00:48:41.060 I'm just like a regular working mom.

00:48:43.180 She's got a craft barn on her property. 0.94

00:48:47.260 She just goes out to her craft barn. 0.99

00:48:50.280 You know, fellow moms out there like you all had when you wanted to get like messy with 1.00

00:48:55.240 your kids with paint and markers.

00:48:57.360 We all had a craft barn to which we would retreat to preserve our home.

00:49:01.620 Here's one more.

00:49:02.380 We're tan France of, is he on Queer Eye?

00:49:04.520 Uh, he shows up and mocks her in Sop 29. 0.92

00:49:09.780 What was that that you just had?

00:49:11.540 Flower sprinkles.

00:49:12.720 I love them.

00:49:14.400 Wow. 1.00

00:49:15.240 That's the gayest shit I've seen in a long time. 1.00

00:49:20.120 The gayest shit I've seen in a long time. 1.00

00:49:23.240 Okay. 1.00

00:49:24.100 She did the flower sprinkle thing in season one. 1.00

00:49:27.200 There's nothing original here, Link.

00:49:28.980 It's more recycled pablum, which is being panned universally by the critics, by the way.

00:49:35.820 No, absolutely.

00:49:36.620 She really wants to be the next Martha Stewart. 0.97

00:49:38.900 But what Martha Stewart has is authenticity.

00:49:41.640 I mean, the woman went to prison. 1.00

00:49:43.020 She had an ankle bracelet, an ankle monitor.

00:49:45.280 Meghan Markle has nothing.

00:49:46.740 She can't cook. 1.00

00:49:47.560 She can't clean. 1.00

00:49:48.320 She can't do good flower arrangements. 1.00

00:49:49.900 All she's done is put like flower sprinkles on food. 1.00

00:49:52.380 I feel like she's trying to poison people.

00:49:53.860 And then we zoomed in on some of the pictures here at the Bureau.

00:49:56.860 We found that they were like bugs and insects and some of the flowers she was putting on her food.

00:50:01.120 So if you eat at Meghan Markle's house, please be careful.

00:50:03.580 It's like an episode of Survivor, like you're over in Cambodia or something eating flies and crickets.

00:50:08.240 You're like swallowing crickets if you eat at Meghan Markle's house.

00:50:10.660 So be careful, everybody, going to Meghan's house.

00:50:13.180 But no, I think she's someone like Jasmine Crockett.

00:50:15.420 We're not really even going to see her a year from now.

00:50:17.440 I think she has no more deals. 0.62

00:50:19.000 You can't buy her.

00:50:20.220 Well, Harry's going to meet with the king next week trying to patch things up because their relevance has expired.

00:50:26.420 So we'll see.

00:50:27.080 Hopefully the king will not bend.

00:50:28.980 I believe William won't bend.

00:50:30.420 But, you know, the king, it's different when it's your child.

00:50:32.640 So fingers crossed.

00:50:33.780 He holds firm.

00:50:34.820 Link, great to see you.

00:50:35.660 Everybody go subscribe to Spot On with Link Lauren wherever you get your podcasts and on YouTube.

00:50:40.380 YouTube.com slash at Spot On with Link.

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00:51:47.240 We've got a big Kelly's Court today.

00:51:49.500 A verdict in the Donna Adelson case we've been telling you about.

00:51:53.260 Plus, rapper Cardi B is going viral for her courtroom antics.

00:51:57.300 We have the video and the verdict there, too.

00:51:59.280 Joining me now to react to all of this, two contributors to our new MK True Crime podcast, which is on fire over on YouTube and on podcasts.

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00:52:26.280 Dave Ehrenberg and Jonna Spilboer.

00:52:29.480 Gentlemen, lady, great to have you.

00:52:32.720 Great to be here, Megan.

00:52:34.380 Thank you.

00:52:34.980 Awesome.

00:52:35.620 This trial provided quite a bit of drama.

00:52:39.220 And Dave, I mean, I know it's personal for you because you were friends with the victim.

00:52:43.520 Just as a refresher for the audience who might not have been paying attention to it, the victim was shot and killed.

00:52:50.920 He'd been married to a woman named Wendy Adelson and they had two sons and they lived in Tallahassee and she really wanted to move down south in Florida to be closer to her mom.

00:53:03.540 And the husband didn't want it.

00:53:06.280 Her mom, Donna, the woman who's on trial.

00:53:09.260 The husband did not want it.

00:53:10.600 That Daniel, he said, no, I want to stay in Tallahassee where I'm a college professor and I don't want you to take our boys down there either.

00:53:16.540 And then the grandmother just received an unfavorable ruling from a judge up in Tallahassee saying either preventing her from seeing them unsupervised, but it was something limiting her ability to see her grandsons in the way she wanted.

00:53:30.780 And before you knew it, the decedent, Daniel Markel, Markel was killed.

00:53:36.260 He was murdered and it turned out he was murdered by two hit men, two hit men who were hired by this woman.

00:53:43.780 And this woman had been dating slash working part time for the murder victim's wife's brother.

00:53:53.200 So what the evidence has shown is that Wendy appears to have she's been accused.

00:53:59.460 She's the only one who hasn't been formally charged.

00:54:01.220 But it certainly looks like Wendy and definitely Wendy's mother, Donna, wanted Dan dead.

00:54:08.260 And one of them, the jury has just said Donna, hired, went through her son, Charlie, who is the brother of Wendy, went through her son and said, go have Wendy's husband killed.

00:54:19.780 So Charlie did it.

00:54:21.080 Charlie had his girlfriend said, do you know any bad actor?

00:54:23.560 She said, I know these two guys.

00:54:24.820 They they hired them.

00:54:26.300 They killed him.

00:54:27.360 And those two guys are in jail.

00:54:29.060 One for life, the one who cooperated for 19 years, the woman who hired them, who'd been sort of dating the brother.

00:54:35.620 She's in jail for life. 1.00

00:54:37.080 The brother, Charlie, is in jail for life.

00:54:39.500 And now finally, the prosecutors turned around and they're not yet at Wendy, the wife.

00:54:45.640 They went after the mom, Donna.

00:54:48.160 Um, and Donna just had a very bad day in court as the verdict was read. 0.92

00:54:54.620 Here you go.

00:54:55.500 Sop 46.

00:54:58.640 We have a jury find as follows as the count one of the indictment.

00:55:03.420 First degree murder.

00:55:05.260 The defendant is guilty of first degree murder.

00:55:08.560 The defendant is guilty of conspiracy to commit first degree murder.

00:55:29.100 Count three.

00:55:32.460 We, the jury, find as follows as the count three of the indictment solicitation to commit first degree murder.

00:55:40.900 The defendant is guilty of solicitation to commit first degree murder.

00:55:45.480 She's wailing and bending over and crying.

00:55:47.840 And it is signed and dated by the foreperson.

00:55:51.140 One moment.

00:55:52.180 Members of the jury, the bailiff will escort you to the jury room.

00:55:55.300 All right, Dave.

00:55:58.900 Guilty on all counts.

00:56:01.000 Uh, Donna Adelson goes down. 1.00

00:56:03.200 Are you surprised?

00:56:04.860 No.

00:56:05.740 Megan, this was an easy one for those of us who followed the case.

00:56:09.620 And the jury got it right in three and a half hours, which is about the same amount of time they took to convict Charlie, the victim's brother-in-law.

00:56:18.100 The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

00:56:20.280 Both of them were so cocky.

00:56:21.520 They thought they can get away with murder.

00:56:23.840 And now they're both in prison for life.

00:56:26.260 Next, you would think, would be Wendy, the ex-wife.

00:56:30.320 You would.

00:56:31.100 If I were Wendy, I would not be buying green bananas right now.

00:56:34.380 You never know when – Bibi Robozo and Richard Nixon line, for those who are too young to realize that one.

00:56:43.680 Wendy, there's been a lot of focus on her.

00:56:46.220 But it looks like the family tried to keep her out of it.

00:56:49.520 But there is evidence against her.

00:56:51.060 In fact, the prosecution tipped their hand and made this case a bit about Wendy.

00:56:56.700 They showed evidence we didn't know before.

00:56:58.300 Like, for example, did you know that Donna, the now convicted mother-in-law, she had Danny, the victim's make model of his car, and his license plate in her day planner from the year 2014, which was two years after the divorce.

00:57:16.000 Why would the ex-mother-in-law have Danny's license plate in her day planner?

00:57:20.880 And who would give that license plate information to her?

00:57:23.880 Remember, the killers followed Danny from the gym, tailed his car, and then went up to him when he arrived home and shot him in the head.

00:57:31.820 I knew Danny.

00:57:32.700 He was a great guy.

00:57:33.480 No one deserves his fate.

00:57:34.620 But when you know how Danny loved his kids so much, it just compounds the tragedy.

00:57:39.440 Oh, my gosh.

00:57:40.240 That's a good point.

00:57:41.040 And, yeah, we learned some of these points because the defense, Donna's defense, started to kind of point the finger at Wendy, which showed their desperation because so far the mother seems to have been running cover for Wendy.

00:57:53.140 The mother appears to have killed for Wendy.

00:57:55.400 I mean, and herself because she wanted more access to her grandkids. 1.00

00:57:59.040 That's at least what the jury has said, that she's the grandmother of the two boys.

00:58:02.700 She's the mother of Wendy.

00:58:04.180 Donna went down.

00:58:04.880 And it wasn't that tough, Donna, because once we saw the video of Donna fleeing and the cops tracking her down at the airport and arresting her, it was like, who flees?

00:58:17.100 I mean, I guess you could flee if you just thought you were going to be convicted and you were innocent.

00:58:20.460 But the video was quite damning.

00:58:23.700 Well, you know, who else?

00:58:25.660 Who wouldn't want a one-way ticket to Vietnam for a little R&R?

00:58:30.160 You know, maybe some spa days there, Megan, because her excuse was, well, that's why I was going.

00:58:36.640 I was going because I just needed to get away from all this media.

00:58:40.020 I didn't know when I was going to come back.

00:58:42.900 So she buys a one-way ticket to a country with no extradition policy with the United States because she just wanted to relax.

00:58:52.220 Nobody bought it.

00:58:53.580 The jury didn't buy it.

00:58:54.820 And that was, you know, obviously an attempt for her to get out of Dodge. 0.93

00:58:59.260 And it's consciousness of guilt.

00:59:01.720 And the jury was not fooled, I don't think, for a second by anything the defense put up.

00:59:08.560 And can I, and I don't look, I don't like criticizing other attorneys, but what defense was there, really?

00:59:14.680 I mean, if we reanalyze it now, there wasn't much of a defense.

00:59:18.600 This was kind of a week long of just sort of shuffling along and hoping that some juror was going to have some sort of sympathy for this granny. 0.98

00:59:26.780 And they obviously didn't.

00:59:28.660 Not only didn't they, but they basically broke a land speed record and getting to a guilty verdict on all the charges.

00:59:35.320 Yes.

00:59:35.760 Ashley Merchant of Fannie Willis fame is also part of MK True Crime.

00:59:40.120 And she was making this point.

00:59:41.520 She was doing, she's, you know, like you guys, an active trial attorney.

00:59:44.560 And was making the point of how she would have cross-examined the state's investigator who did take the stand.

00:59:51.120 This is, you got a law enforcement officer up there.

00:59:53.160 Like, that's a person through whom you can exploit weaknesses in the state's case.

00:59:58.080 And she did a little diatribe on how she would have done it.

01:00:00.720 Here it is, it's quick, SOT 40.

01:00:02.060 We don't really have a theme.

01:00:04.420 Why not ask, you know, isn't it true you don't have any physical evidence linking Donna Adelson to this crime?

01:00:08.860 Isn't it true you don't have any forensic evidence?

01:00:10.560 Isn't it true you don't have any eyewitness testimony?

01:00:12.640 Isn't it true you don't have a confession?

01:00:14.380 Isn't it true you don't have fingerprints?

01:00:15.900 You don't have DNA?

01:00:16.780 You don't have any of that stuff.

01:00:18.060 Why not hammer him with that?

01:00:20.600 That's not how it went in the end.

01:00:22.520 And I will say the defense attorney, Jackie Fulford, eh, well, I'll let the audience be the judge.

01:00:28.540 Here's SOT 45.

01:00:29.400 Not one single thing that said anything about wanting Danny Markell killed.

01:00:38.500 The most aggressive thing they have are her foul words and wanting to aggravate him. 0.76

01:00:48.920 This is not, could she possibly have done it?

01:00:52.660 Could she probably have done it?

01:00:54.680 Might she have done it?

01:00:55.860 You have been sitting here hearing testimony for almost two weeks, and there's not a single piece of evidence that connects my client to that murder.

01:01:08.280 Charlie Adelson?

01:01:09.700 Yep.

01:01:11.240 Potentially Wendy Adelson? 0.97

01:01:13.080 She's the one who said she hated him.

01:01:15.480 She's the one fighting with him in court. 0.80

01:01:18.000 Donna Adelson? 0.97

01:01:19.480 Nothing.

01:01:20.720 Not a single piece of evidence.

01:01:23.040 You have to find her not guilty because they have failed to do their job.

01:01:27.100 The problem for her there, Dave, is that wasn't true.

01:01:33.060 Right.

01:01:33.420 I mean, you had an undercover conversation between Donna and her son after there was this bump.

01:01:40.720 So they had this undercover officer essentially bump into Donna and demand money to take care of one of the killers.

01:01:46.720 This was an FBI agent.

01:01:47.800 This was trying to generate chatter over the phone.

01:01:50.360 The first thing she does is call her son Charlie, not a police, didn't throw away the paper.

01:01:57.000 Nope.

01:01:57.260 You call your son Charlie.

01:01:58.560 And when Charlie said, what's this about?

01:01:59.860 She said, it's about the both of us.

01:02:02.680 Wow.

01:02:03.320 The FBI agent did not even mention Charlie in the conversation.

01:02:07.460 It's about the both of us, meaning Charlie who's been convicted of the murder.

01:02:12.800 And so that's a confession.

01:02:14.580 That's direct evidence.

01:02:15.940 And then, of course, you have the license plate.

01:02:17.860 And no, the lawyer is right.

01:02:19.160 You don't have her saying, we need to kill Danny Markell. 1.00

01:02:22.200 Let's kill him. 0.94

01:02:23.160 That's not how the real world works. 1.00

01:02:25.180 She spoke in code the entire time.

01:02:27.580 Who speaks in code, Megan, except for people who are guilty?

01:02:31.120 Why speak in code?

01:02:32.060 They kept using this phrase, the TV.

01:02:34.060 That's how they referred to the murder.

01:02:36.220 Ironically, it's the TV that was broken on the day of the murder.

01:02:40.520 That is Wendy's alibi.

01:02:41.660 She had a TV repairman come over to fix her TV as if repairmen for TVs are really a thing.

01:02:49.380 I mean, don't just buy a new TV.

01:02:51.100 No one does that.

01:02:51.340 No one does that.

01:02:52.060 I know.

01:02:52.420 Honestly, I've been poor and I've had money and you don't call a TV repairman.

01:02:57.140 It's not a thing.

01:02:57.980 You lament the loss of your television and you suck it up and find a way to buy a new one.

01:03:02.180 Here is the prosecutor making this point about talking in code.

01:03:07.620 Contrary to the defense's argument that there's absolutely no evidence tying her to this crime.

01:03:12.600 You're right.

01:03:13.360 What innocent person sounds like this?

01:03:15.880 This TV was probably about five.

01:03:21.080 She's the original code talker.

01:03:23.860 This TV.

01:03:27.740 And look what he says.

01:03:29.340 They asked you for $5,000.

01:03:30.880 He decodes it.

01:03:31.800 He's not the one talking in code.

01:03:33.180 He's decoding it and saying what she's she's he's picking up what she's putting down.

01:03:41.340 There's no TV mentioned by the undercover operative that approached Donna Adelson on the street.

01:03:49.100 A couple big takeaways for you, please.

01:03:53.220 Innocent people do not talk in code.

01:03:56.760 Second big takeaway.

01:03:58.100 TV is code for the murder throughout this case.

01:04:00.780 Okay, Jonna, she's making a good point, but it's very frustrating, right?

01:04:04.800 As somebody who's actually tried cases, isn't it frustrating to see somebody talking to the jury like that?

01:04:09.440 So stilted, so halting, like make a passionate argument without looking at your notes.

01:04:15.300 Tell them a story.

01:04:16.740 Have a crescendo and a decrescendo.

01:04:19.120 It's just I can't stand when I see lawyers talking like that.

01:04:22.420 It's a little bit lazy when you have to refer to your notes.

01:04:25.320 She could have said something a little more, I don't know, upbeat, like, I guess Donna didn't learn in murder for hire school that if you're going to talk in code, both of you need to talk in code instead of having the person who's receiving your code decoding it on your call, right?

01:04:41.720 I mean, that's kind of crazy. 0.91

01:04:44.760 And maybe she could have done that because it is so ridiculous. 0.93

01:04:47.440 There's no getting around the fact that she talked in code. 0.67

01:04:51.420 The defense didn't do anything with that.

01:04:53.580 They just kind of left it alone.

01:04:55.360 So it was actually a major point that Donna Adelson's team could not talk her out of.

01:05:03.160 And I have to go back to the other thought that you showed when her defense attorney was closing and saying, look, there's not a single piece of evidence tying her to the crime.

01:05:10.880 She was right.

01:05:11.680 There were 100 pieces of evidence tying her to this crime.

01:05:15.820 Yeah, that's the problem.

01:05:17.620 Like, that works if it's true, if it's one of those cases where it's, like, really made up, it's thin air.

01:05:22.060 But this case had a lot of proof tying Donna Adelson to the crime, and the jury totally got it.

01:05:26.940 So that leads us to Wendy.

01:05:28.420 I'll just show you a clip of Wendy, members of the audience, so that you can see who we're talking about.

01:05:33.260 But she's next.

01:05:34.900 Here's the wife. 1.00

01:05:36.900 He's not here to give them advice.

01:05:39.120 He is not.

01:05:40.080 He can't come to any of their functions, sports, anything else.

01:05:43.720 Correct.

01:05:44.080 They're not eating kosher like they would have with their father.

01:05:47.880 They are not.

01:05:48.600 They don't have him at all.

01:05:50.960 They don't have him in their lives day to day, no.

01:05:53.160 Because on July the 18th of 2014, he was brutally murdered in his driveway.

01:05:58.500 Isn't that true?

01:05:59.440 That is true.

01:06:00.180 And you testified on direct that anybody in your family that had anything to do with it should be held responsible.

01:06:06.880 Isn't that correct?

01:06:07.820 Yes.

01:06:08.200 And that includes you, doesn't it?

01:06:09.980 Anyone.

01:06:10.600 Anyone who's responsible.

01:06:11.700 Interestingly there, Dave, that was the defense.

01:06:15.780 So it's her mother's lawyer doing that cross-examination of her.

01:06:20.540 And honestly, that's what's so galling about these murder-for-hire plots when they're orchestrated by the spouse, which I believe this one was.

01:06:26.820 I think Wendy's going down.

01:06:27.880 These people don't think about or they just don't care about the consequences to their shared children.

01:06:35.200 They're so selfish.

01:06:36.540 They just want the children all to themselves.

01:06:38.780 They want all the child-rearing. 0.97

01:06:40.780 They don't have to share custody.

01:06:42.420 And they don't think about what the loss of one's father.

01:06:46.300 I mean, I lost my dad at 15 to a heart attack, not to a murder.

01:06:50.900 You know, this was preventable.

01:06:52.420 This didn't have to happen.

01:06:53.700 It's the most callous, like, sociopathic thing one can do.

01:06:58.280 So there she is with her blonde hair, perfectly coiffed, and all her makeup on, trying to look, oh, I'm so attractive, and I didn't have anything to do with this. 0.84

01:07:07.660 I give it three years.

01:07:09.160 Let's see how she looks after she's been behind bars and in an orange jumpsuit for a year. 0.97

01:07:13.540 We'll check back in then.

01:07:14.880 Your thoughts on when and if they're bringing charges and whether she's likely to withstand them.

01:07:20.720 Oh, she's not going to do well behind bars. 1.00

01:07:22.360 She's got a good legal team that has been part of her entourage so far, including one of President Trump's former lawyers.

01:07:30.080 But her day of reckoning is coming.

01:07:31.920 And I do believe that at the next grand jury in Tallahassee that Georgia Kaplan, the prosecutor, will go before that grand jury and seek an indictment against Wendy for first-degree murder. 0.98

01:07:43.040 I think it's pretty much inevitable at this point.

01:07:46.620 And you're right.

01:07:47.400 That defense lawyer was the one asking those questions, those hostile questions. 0.91

01:07:50.680 What a family, huh?

01:07:51.760 This divided family.

01:07:53.340 And what's curious is that the defense really didn't have a strategy.

01:07:56.300 For most of the cross-examination of Wendy, who testified under immunity, the defense lawyer was very supportive and friendly to her and then, like, turned on a switch and at the end went after her.

01:08:08.420 So it's like, okay, are you friend?

01:08:10.080 Are you foe?

01:08:10.700 What's your strategy?

01:08:11.580 What's your theory of the case?

01:08:12.740 They were all discombobulated. 0.98

01:08:14.260 I don't think it was well-lawyered by Donna's defense lawyers, but they were dealing with the crap that they were given. 0.98

01:08:20.000 That state had Donna dead to rights. 1.00

01:08:22.600 The escape tape going off on the airport is a tough, that's a tough card to be dealt as the defense attorney, as is the conversation after the so-called bump by law enforcement meant to get you to pick up the phone and call your co-conspirator and start talking about the crime.

01:08:39.520 Like, who doesn't know that?

01:08:41.160 Who doesn't?

01:08:41.620 This is why I watch Dateline, so that if I ever commit a crime, I will be well-prepared when they try to lay a trap for me to catch me.

01:08:48.760 I've said this before, but I love it.

01:08:50.240 There was a very funny thing on Twitter years ago, and it was exactly right.

01:08:53.960 It was saying, you know, pro tip, if you commit a crime with somebody and that person calls you back at some point after the crime and wants to go back over every detail of the crime you committed, the only proper response is, no, that is not a thing.

01:09:11.140 That's it.

01:09:11.980 That's all.

01:09:12.420 That is not a thing.

01:09:14.160 I didn't.

01:09:14.720 What?

01:09:15.080 That's it.

01:09:15.740 That's the only thing you say.

01:09:16.680 So she blew it.

01:09:17.820 So what's your take, Jonna, on whether there is—because, you know, we looked at the trial of Donna, we looked at the evidence against Donna, even before it started, looked like there was pretty good evidence against Donna.

01:09:27.680 But I don't know if we can say the same against Wendy.

01:09:29.940 I've been wondering why Wendy is the last domino to fall in this case, and why wasn't she the first?

01:09:38.200 I mean, look, this involved her children.

01:09:40.560 This was her custody battle.

01:09:42.360 This was her fight.

01:09:43.580 She pushed these kids out of her birth canal. 1.00

01:09:46.580 They were hers.

01:09:47.320 How did she escape being the first one to be indicted in this case as opposed to being the last?

01:09:55.900 I know that the evidence was pretty clear that Donna Adelson was a meddlesome, controlling mother-in-law and grandmother.

01:10:03.480 We saw that.

01:10:04.300 Even before this happened, she wanted to control who her daughter was dating. 0.94

01:10:09.220 I get that.

01:10:09.960 But in order for the mother to get behind this, don't you think Wendy has to be, mom, he won't let me move, which there was also evidence of, and then mama bear swept in to try to make it happen?

01:10:24.520 Wendy should have been first, not last. 0.92

01:10:26.940 I do think she will be indicted, but Dave and I were talking off air.

01:10:30.920 There's a tiny, tiny piece of me that thinks maybe they're going to let this go.

01:10:35.120 I don't know.

01:10:36.200 I've got a reserve on that one.

01:10:37.480 Well, what do we think the—I like what you said about the license plate being in Donna's address book.

01:10:43.280 That's evidence against both Donna and potentially Wendy, too.

01:10:46.340 There's no way she didn't get it from Wendy.

01:10:48.000 But what do we know, Dave, about the evidence they have against Wendy?

01:10:51.980 Well, first of all, just to address what Jonna said, I do think a reason why they delayed on Wendy is because they wanted her testimony in all the trials of the co-defendants.

01:11:00.660 And if she had been charged, they wouldn't get her testimony.

01:11:02.920 So I think that's one reason why they waited.

01:11:04.500 But it would be a tougher case against Wendy.

01:11:06.600 But they've got good evidence, like I said, the license plate.

01:11:09.220 Or how about this?

01:11:10.280 Do you know that on the morning of the murder, she drove on the street where her ex-husband lives?

01:11:16.300 Why?

01:11:16.860 It wasn't anywhere near where she lives and nowhere near where she needed to go that day.

01:11:21.860 And so she drove on the street just like Brian Koberger returned to the scene of the crime.

01:11:27.540 That's what happens to see.

01:11:28.840 She was gawking and she saw police activity outside of her ex-husband's home.

01:11:33.540 Her ex-husband had the kids, had custody of the kids that day.

01:11:37.140 Do you think maybe she would call to find out what's going on with my kids?

01:11:39.960 What's going on with my ex-husband?

01:11:41.220 Nope.

01:11:41.600 Didn't make a call.

01:11:42.320 Didn't seem to care.

01:11:44.040 So that's just a little bit of the evidence.

01:11:45.600 Plus, she had a boyfriend at the time, a guy named Jeff Lacoste.

01:11:49.460 Jeff Lacoste testified multiple times that Wendy was trying to set him up for the crime.

01:11:54.540 Kept asking him, even on the day they broke up.

01:11:56.660 She said, oh, by the way, when are you leaving to go on your trip out of town?

01:12:00.000 And he said, when exactly are you leaving?

01:12:01.960 This is after they broke up.

01:12:03.640 Because the killers were going to come to town on the day to commit the crime.

01:12:08.040 And she wanted to make sure, allegedly, that her boyfriend was there to be framed for it.

01:12:12.000 And one more piece of evidence, do you know that the killers came to Tallahassee twice?

01:12:15.500 And the first time they came up, they rented a car that was identical to the car that her boyfriend at the time, Jeff Lacoste, owned.

01:12:23.180 How did they know that information?

01:12:25.560 Do not date Wendy.

01:12:27.500 Don't marry Wendy.

01:12:28.940 And don't get a divorce from Wendy.

01:12:30.880 My God.

01:12:31.920 Well, how long would you guess, Dave, as a former, very recently former, Palm Beach County attorney yourself,

01:12:38.080 how long would you guess, you say, don't buy the green bananas, it might take before we see charges against her, if we're going to?

01:12:46.460 Well, I think Georgia will go to the grand jury when they meet.

01:12:50.320 We don't know when the grand jury meets in Tallahassee.

01:12:52.600 And it could be within 30 days, I think, of the verdict, which was yesterday.

01:12:58.180 Or it could be within 30 days of the sentencing, which is, I believe, October 14th.

01:13:03.540 So I would say within 60 days, you will see Wendy charged with this crime. 0.99

01:13:08.840 Wow.

01:13:09.280 So MK True Crime is going to have its hands full.

01:13:12.780 I have a lot more to discuss on the Adelson case.

01:13:15.120 Thankfully, they're all experts on it now, having watched the whole trial.

01:13:18.140 And thanks to Florida Sunshine Laws, able to see it and show it to you, too.

01:13:21.580 All right, let's keep going.

01:13:22.700 Lisa Cook has been in the news.

01:13:24.080 She's this member of the Board of Governors that's at the Fed that oversees the Federal Reserve.

01:13:30.900 And Bill Pulte of the Fair Housing Administration has found a bunch of examples, he says, of her committing what he calls mortgage fraud, wire fraud, mail fraud, all sorts of criminal fraud.

01:13:42.100 Because she applied for houses by saying that they were going to be her primary residences when he says they weren't.

01:13:48.520 Applied for one house saying it would be her secondary residence when, in fact, it was going to be a rental property and so on.

01:13:53.920 Two of those, at least, have been referred now to grand juries, one in Ann Arbor, Michigan, one in Atlanta, Georgia.

01:14:00.280 So they are using a grand jury, I think, to investigate and get more information and subpoena people and get to the bottom of this.

01:14:07.640 Bill Pulte was on CNBC yesterday.

01:14:11.000 I'm going to play you some of what he said.

01:14:13.420 Here's Sot48. 0.82

01:14:14.200 I've never seen people support crime like this.

01:14:18.280 This is insane.

01:14:20.040 Alleged crime, let's call it that.

01:14:22.460 What she did was wrong.

01:14:24.100 The fact that she hasn't come out and said, hey, these aren't my documents or some rational explanation for this alleged crime.

01:14:31.300 Why is she not doing it?

01:14:32.380 It doesn't make any sense.

01:14:34.000 She hasn't had her day in court yet.

01:14:36.460 She is alleged, allegedly has done these things.

01:14:40.060 It feels like she's being put in the court of public opinion.

01:14:42.880 Should we let this play out in the court and have her have to defend it and either be found guilty or not guilty? 0.99

01:14:48.500 Or should this already rise to the level of cause before she has a chance to defend herself against it?

01:14:55.340 Well, I would defer to the lawyers on that.

01:14:57.280 All I can tell you is my job is to ensure the safety and soundness of the mortgage market.

01:15:01.480 I feel very strongly that I'm doing my job.

01:15:03.820 We're going to be making referrals.

01:15:05.200 We make referrals almost every day.

01:15:07.000 Lisa Cook happened to be one of them.

01:15:08.800 Everybody happens to be interested in it.

01:15:10.580 I would also say, too, that, yes, she will go through the court process.

01:15:14.000 She did sue the president, and that's working its way through the court process.

01:15:17.260 And to the extent that she is charged, which I do believe she will be indicted.

01:15:21.320 That's my opinion.

01:15:22.040 I believe she will be indicted.

01:15:24.180 She will have her day in court, just like any other American.

01:15:27.880 All right, Jonna, do you agree that she's likely to be indicted?

01:15:30.880 I agree that these types of crimes are easy to prove.

01:15:36.640 They are paperwork crimes, so not hard.

01:15:39.480 So will she be indicted?

01:15:40.480 There's a very good chance.

01:15:41.780 I will also say that when you are a public servant, do not cry a river when you are put through the court of public opinion.

01:15:50.100 You are a public servant.

01:15:51.700 And I would like to know, where is the playbook?

01:15:54.200 Because there must be one.

01:15:55.580 There must be a secret playbook on how to get rich by being a public servant.

01:15:59.020 There must be a playbook on how to commit mortgage fraud, because this isn't the first, right?

01:16:04.540 There's a long, well, what's turning out to be a long list between Letitia James, shifty shift, now her.

01:16:11.320 I don't, she's not going to be the last.

01:16:12.860 She's not going to be the last.

01:16:14.160 So what is going on here?

01:16:15.860 You know, Donald Trump's administration is pulling back the curtain, thankfully.

01:16:20.980 So will we see indictments?

01:16:22.500 I predict yes.

01:16:23.720 Am I the only one who, when I fill out these forms, am actually very careful and afraid?

01:16:28.640 Right.

01:16:29.040 Of making a mistake.

01:16:30.160 Like, I've had people on here say, like, well, a lot of people, I'm like, they do?

01:16:34.660 I'm terrified when I fill out.

01:16:36.260 That's probably because we're lawyers.

01:16:38.440 So we're like, oh, God, you know, we're always worried we're going to get thrown in jail because we spend our life in the legal system.

01:16:43.200 But I think this is nuts.

01:16:45.040 Like, this is not something everybody does.

01:16:47.240 Most people are super careful to say what's real on these things, especially when you're applying for money in the form of a mortgage.

01:16:54.300 Dave, what are your thoughts?

01:16:56.500 Well, it's interesting.

01:16:57.480 You know, I normally agree with my friend John on the true crime stuff.

01:17:01.200 On the legal, political stuff, we have a little difference.

01:17:03.900 And part of it is that as a former prosecutor, I'm all for going after people who commit crimes.

01:17:09.120 My hesitancy here is just make sure that it's not selective prosecution because there was a 2023 report that came out from the Federal Reserve Bank of Philadelphia that found that one third of single family home investors misrepresent their occupancy status on their mortgage application.

01:17:26.220 So this looks like it's a right.

01:17:28.360 It doesn't make it right.

01:17:29.180 Right. Oh, and it doesn't.

01:17:30.380 But at the same time, you want to make sure the only people you're prosecuting aren't your political enemies, because if you want to avoid the politicization.

01:17:36.320 Does it soften you at all?

01:17:37.160 I get that.

01:17:38.160 But does it soften you at all that she's been elevated to a position overseeing the Federal Reserve?

01:17:44.220 You know, this is our most prestigious economic body in the United States.

01:17:49.280 It oversees mortgage rates, for God's sake.

01:17:52.560 Well, I would hope that wouldn't be the reason why the prosecutors are going after her, because Trump wants to shape the Fed in his own image and would love her to be out.

01:18:01.820 And the fact that this guy, Martin, is apparently in charge of the investigation, Ed Martin, the guy who was found in a trench coat like he's Inspector Clouseau outside Letitia James' home, it doesn't give me a lot of confidence.

01:18:13.500 So if you want to avoid the weaponization of government, don't weaponize the government.

01:18:16.880 That's the only thing I'm saying here.

01:18:18.360 Well, that's a warning you should have given to your own side back when they they they're the ones who started this mess with Trump.

01:18:24.080 Here is another interesting moment.

01:18:28.500 First of all, Pulte got pressed on like mortgage fraud.

01:18:34.580 And he had a very good answer.

01:18:36.300 Here it is.

01:18:36.760 Stop 49.

01:18:37.180 I don't think your primary role at what you're doing now is to is to seek out and find mortgage fraud.

01:18:46.220 It is completely false.

01:18:47.800 That's completely false, Joe.

01:18:49.160 That's completely false.

01:18:50.420 My job, my job.

01:18:52.220 And I swore an oath before the Senate and otherwise that I would root out mortgage fraud and that I would ensure that there's safety and soundness in the mortgage market.

01:18:59.560 The idea that it might be one sided.

01:19:02.500 Joe, I got to finish.

01:19:03.300 OK, I got to finish in 2008, the Housing and Economic Recovery Act was passed and gave enormous authority to this position in which I sit.

01:19:12.460 It didn't happen by accident.

01:19:14.000 There was a housing crash.

01:19:15.260 A big part of the reason that there was a housing crash was because people were buying mortgages and engaging in mortgage fraud.

01:19:21.140 So I'm not going to be intimidated from pursuing mortgage fraud just because somebody has the special title of being a Fed governor.

01:19:28.020 I was persuaded by that, Jonna, and I have to say it really you could see a market impact if you really do have one third of homeowners lying about the purpose of their home in order to get more favorable mortgage rates and favorable down payment rates.

01:19:44.920 Like the whole reason that they want you to tell the truth is that that they get so they can accurately assess the risk of giving you this loan.

01:19:53.460 So if you have all these loans out there that have been inaccurately assessed, then we are in danger.

01:19:59.160 And we saw what happened to the country the last time the mortgage system imploded.

01:20:03.860 Yes, we did.

01:20:06.520 So it's not like if somebody wants to point the finger at him and say, oh, you're just looking for political purposes.

01:20:12.280 No, this actually is a crime.

01:20:14.960 If you think about it, where everybody who hasn't committed it is a victim, right?

01:20:21.680 Because it's going to affect your mortgage rate, my mortgage rate, no matter how many houses that you own.

01:20:26.140 It's going to affect people who are going into foreclosure and bankruptcy and all this stuff.

01:20:29.620 So we need to keep it even for the rest of us.

01:20:33.800 It just adds insult to injury when the person who's basically partly responsible for creating the rates, et cetera, is the one, you know, with her thumb on the scale, so to speak.

01:20:47.140 What do you think should happen to her, Dave?

01:20:48.700 I mean, I have a second home.

01:20:49.840 And you know what I filled out when we got our mortgage for our second home?

01:20:52.800 Second home, because I'm not a liar or a fraudster or a criminal.

01:20:57.320 Why should she get this break on her second and third home that I didn't get, that nobody else who's telling the truth when they get their second home, they should be so fortunate, got?

01:21:08.380 Why?

01:21:08.780 So what should happen to her?

01:21:10.460 If she broke the law, I'm all in favor of holding people accountable for breaking the law.

01:21:15.600 Apparently, there were, like, very few of these cases brought in 2024.

01:21:19.280 I think 38 federal charges brought against these types of—

01:21:25.460 She's a serial. She's a serial mortgage fraudster, according to Bill Pulte and possibly the DOJ. 1.00

01:21:30.680 She's serial. 1.00

01:21:32.020 Yes, but you even saw Joe Kernan, who is a very tight ally with Trump and MAGA on CNBC.

01:21:38.780 He was pressing that guy.

01:21:40.720 And the reason why is that there is a skepticism amongst a lot of us that says, okay, you're going after Lisa Cook.

01:21:45.700 You're going after Adam Schiff.

01:21:46.820 You're going after Letitia James.

01:21:48.160 If this is as calm as you think it is, then where are the other cases?

01:21:51.660 Or are you just going after Trump?

01:21:52.700 There might be.

01:21:53.620 That's the issue.

01:21:54.120 I'll bet you there that he will bring some.

01:21:56.480 I mean, there's rumors about Ken Paxton down in Texas.

01:21:59.420 I don't know.

01:22:00.200 Don't want to wrongly impugn him because I haven't heard that yet officially.

01:22:02.760 But I bet—I think Pulte's a straight shooter.

01:22:05.720 I actually believe you will see Republicans come under that same microscope.

01:22:09.500 But listen, you can't have somebody in this sort of economic position of authority having committed multiple instances of mortgage fraud.

01:22:17.480 Serial.

01:22:18.140 And she's not denying them.

01:22:19.520 Even her lawyer's alleged denial is she didn't commit fraud.

01:22:24.720 He said on Tuesday in a court filing, she did not ever commit mortgage fraud.

01:22:29.680 That is not the same, Jonna, as saying she did not say primary residence for two residences at the same time and misclassify a secondary residence, which was in fact a rental property.

01:22:42.740 It's not a denial.

01:22:43.920 It's a legal conclusion.

01:22:45.320 It's not a factual denial.

01:22:47.220 Right.

01:22:48.140 Exactly.

01:22:48.820 And he should probably be more careful and not say anything because right now her primary concern is not about that.

01:22:54.440 Her primary concern is not losing her job that Donald Trump wants to fire her for.

01:22:59.780 So he should stand down until a later date, until the grand jury investigation, I guess, is concluded.

01:23:07.200 But that's not—you're right.

01:23:08.720 That's not an actual denial because she doesn't want to commit fraud again.

01:23:14.120 Yeah, that is exactly right.

01:23:15.660 Listen, to me, it looks clear she did it.

01:23:18.200 She looks quite guilty to me.

01:23:20.300 And if I were Lisa Cook, I'd be cutting my losses.

01:23:22.520 I'd be very much not worried about my role at the Fed and very much worried about how I look in the color orange.

01:23:30.820 That's the problem she's looking at.

01:23:33.420 Should—do I overstate the case, actually, Dave?

01:23:36.100 Like, what would be the penalties if she were found guilty of all this fraud?

01:23:40.480 You could get some prison time, although I think it's relatively minor.

01:23:45.020 I think the average sentence—I shouldn't say too minor.

01:23:47.380 It's the average sentence is around 18 months at the federal level.

01:23:50.340 So that's not insignificant.

01:23:52.820 But she will fight back in court, and I'll bet you she will use selective prosecution as her defense. 1.00

01:23:58.000 And that's why the administration needs to be careful.

01:24:00.280 You don't want it to look like selective prosecution because that is the—

01:24:04.060 Is that an actual defense, or is that a jury nullification tool?

01:24:08.380 Both.

01:24:08.680 I think you can argue that with the judge initially, and then you can argue it in trial if the judge allows it.

01:24:16.600 And that could be the jury nullification tool, which we've seen, by the way, in Washington, D.C.

01:24:20.720 It's like this passive-aggressive way that the D.C. grand jurors have been rejecting Jeanine Pirro's attempts to get all these federal indictments.

01:24:28.740 This is an area that doesn't like Trump too much and is pushing back in their own way.

01:24:33.460 Like, on that, we did a report on that on AM Update this morning on these grand jurors not indicting people who have committed crime just as like an F you to Trump.

01:24:41.840 Enjoy your crime-ridden city.

01:24:43.320 Great.

01:24:43.780 Take care.

01:24:44.320 I mean, the rest of us are living in towns where we are hoping our law enforcement are more like Dave Ehrenberg and actually will bring cases that are justifiably brought.

01:24:52.880 When you see a crime right in front of you, you bring it, and the grand jury should indict it.

01:24:56.460 Like, it's not up to them.

01:24:57.480 But, hey, enjoy your crime-ridden city.

01:24:59.360 Great.

01:24:59.880 You reap what you sow, D.C. residents.

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01:28:50.100 Okay, guys.

01:28:50.460 So Cardi B, the talented rapper, she's a very colorful character. 0.60

01:28:55.720 I didn't know this until today.

01:28:56.840 Her real name is Belcalis Marlenis Almanzar.

01:29:02.120 She has been accused of assault and battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress,

01:29:08.420 negligent, and false imprisonment in a lawsuit in Los Angeles Superior Court by a woman named

01:29:14.700 Imani Ellis.

01:29:16.400 It happened in 2018.

01:29:18.300 And Imani claims that Cardi B assaulted her, that there was a physical altercation in which

01:29:24.420 she got assaulted.

01:29:25.500 Cardi B claims Cardi B was going, I think, to see her doctor, was going into this medical

01:29:29.780 office building, and she sees Imani there with her phone videotaping Cardi B and, like, documenting

01:29:36.820 it.

01:29:37.260 And this is a private, like, she's going for a private appointment, and says, like, don't

01:29:42.440 videotape me.

01:29:43.260 Like, what are you doing?

01:29:44.140 And it was no more than a verbal altercation, and that this whole thing was a money grab.

01:29:49.660 Here is, we'll start with the alleged victim, the plaintiff, Imani Ellis, and her testimony

01:29:56.520 about what allegedly happened in SOT 57.

01:29:59.780 After she heard me say her name, she turned back around, and the first thing out of her 0.59

01:30:05.680 mouth was, excuse my language, was, why the f*** are you telling people that you've seen 0.89

01:30:09.400 me? 0.95

01:30:10.360 At this time, I tried to calm her down and assure her that I didn't tell anyone that I've

01:30:15.240 seen her, and she was extremely upset.

01:30:18.940 What did she tell you after that? 0.98

01:30:21.920 Then, excuse my language again, but she said, yes, the f*** you did, and then she put her 1.00

01:30:26.660 finger in my face. 1.00

01:30:27.460 She used a lot of words, and again, excuse my language, but she was like, f*** you, bitch, 1.00

01:30:37.980 that's why I'm going to beat your f***s. 1.00

01:30:39.860 I'm going to get you fired. 1.00

01:30:45.000 Swears. 0.81

01:30:45.580 That's a swear.

01:30:45.880 That's why you do security.

01:30:48.180 That's why you do security.

01:30:50.320 She was sticking her tongue out. 1.00

01:30:51.780 She was flailing her arms up and down.

01:30:53.420 She was jumping up and down.

01:30:56.700 Body shaming me.

01:30:58.200 I mean.

01:30:58.560 Okay, because Imani Ellis was a security guard in this building where Cardi B was going for

01:31:05.280 a, an OB appointment.

01:31:07.380 She was relatively new in her pregnancy, and she didn't want people knowing she was pregnant.

01:31:11.220 Hence her understandable upset at being filmed when she's going to see her OB.

01:31:17.420 And this security guard of all people to be filming her, she was justifiably angry.

01:31:22.600 Here's Cardi B's version of it.

01:31:24.600 56.

01:31:24.980 Now we're like, chest to chest, practically.

01:31:30.280 So I keep telling her, like, you need to back up.

01:31:32.800 Back up.

01:31:33.880 I'm thinking to myself, like, this girl's big.

01:31:38.780 She's big.

01:31:39.520 She got big black boots on. 1.00

01:31:42.360 And I'm like, damn, arguing. 1.00

01:31:44.880 And I keep telling her to back up, but she's not backing up. 0.99

01:31:49.140 And we arguing, cursing at each other.

01:31:52.760 I did call her the B word. 1.00

01:31:54.280 I did call her a bitch. 1.00

01:31:55.280 Like, bitch, get out of my face. 1.00

01:31:56.480 I did say, bitch, get the fuck out of my face. 1.00

01:31:58.360 You're in my face. 1.00

01:31:59.080 You're screaming in my face.

01:32:00.480 We're, like, literally writing.

01:32:02.660 We're literally screaming at each other.

01:32:05.560 And she, and she kept telling me, like, you're going to leave my building.

01:32:09.020 I'm like, I'm not leaving.

01:32:11.280 I love the, we go from, I said the B word. 1.00

01:32:14.640 Get the fuck out of my face. 0.99

01:32:15.960 So, the jury has come back and said she is not liable for this. 0.99

01:32:24.780 Dave, Cardi B is vindicated, and Imani gets nothing.

01:32:30.360 Did they reach the right conclusion?

01:32:32.460 Yes.

01:32:32.980 This was a two-day trial, and the jury took less than an hour to come back with its verdict.

01:32:38.040 That tells you something.

01:32:39.300 This was a weak case.

01:32:40.760 And the plaintiff is saying that she was scratched on the cheek, and that caused her grave emotional damage.

01:32:47.980 And she had to get surgery.

01:32:49.680 And the jury didn't believe it, especially because she was suing for $24 million.

01:32:53.740 And that came in through Cardi B's testimony.

01:32:56.480 She said, I'm being sued for $24 million.

01:32:58.660 Yeah, and the juror's like, are you kidding me?

01:33:00.740 Scratch me on the cheek and give me $24 million.

01:33:03.260 I'll take that trade. 0.98

01:33:04.940 It's ridiculous. 0.79

01:33:06.500 Wait, we have that? 0.98

01:33:07.180 What is that, Saat?

01:33:08.400 Oh, yeah.

01:33:09.040 Well, actually, you said.

01:33:09.800 I have other ones that I want to play before.

01:33:11.660 I've got to choose my favorites here.

01:33:13.500 Here's Cardi B explaining that Imani Ellis is bigger than she is, 58. 1.00

01:33:19.160 You said she's bigger than you? 0.99

01:33:22.100 Is that correct?

01:33:23.440 Absolutely.

01:33:24.420 How do you know that?

01:33:27.760 She points at her. 1.00

01:33:28.720 I mean, look.

01:33:30.020 I'm looking.

01:33:30.700 I don't agree with that.

01:33:31.960 What is your basis?

01:33:33.320 Are you saying she's physically bigger? 0.79

01:33:35.580 She's taller?

01:33:36.840 I mean, you have her medical records, right?

01:33:39.460 I don't have anything.

01:33:39.980 I don't want to ask you the question.

01:33:41.800 I mean, I was 130 pounds at that time.

01:33:45.280 So she's overweight, right? 1.00

01:33:47.500 In your opinion.

01:33:49.160 Objection, no.

01:33:49.960 It's a thing.

01:33:50.740 It's a little.

01:33:51.540 You don't need to answer me.

01:33:53.440 Okay. 0.90

01:33:54.520 Did you call her fat? 0.74

01:33:56.020 No. 1.00

01:33:56.580 I was calling her a bitch. 1.00

01:33:59.400 She's a little. 0.99

01:34:00.400 And then she goes on to explain what kind of what she thinks of Imani's figure in SOT 59.

01:34:06.020 We was face-to-face, so she's practically, like, my height, or just much taller, but she was practically, like, my height.

01:34:16.840 But she is, like... 0.97

01:34:20.400 What?

01:34:22.280 Hey.

01:34:24.140 Security heavy.

01:34:26.780 What does security heavy mean?

01:34:29.720 Just tell us.

01:34:30.620 There's no harm.

01:34:32.300 What does that mean?

01:34:33.300 Like, she just looks a little...

01:34:35.740 Like, she could protect the building, type B.

01:34:40.020 You know what I'm saying?

01:34:40.640 She just looked more developed than me.

01:34:44.980 Chana, I'm sorry, but that's very charming.

01:34:48.820 She's funny.

01:34:50.920 She is hilarious.

01:34:52.600 And she is so authentic.

01:34:54.740 And if I weren't a Cardi B fan before, I am a Cardi B fan now.

01:34:58.960 And let me just say, the facts of this case never supported a successful civil suit.

01:35:05.660 The facts of this case support an Instagram post.

01:35:09.500 And here's who I am mad at.

01:35:11.300 I'm not even mad at the plaintiff.

01:35:12.740 I'm mad at the plaintiff's lawyer because he's one of these people he must be.

01:35:18.020 These lawyers who seek out people with money and celebrities, they're usually one and the same,

01:35:23.080 who they think that there is a legal slush fund so you can bring a frivolous lawsuit,

01:35:27.140 and these celebs are going to write a check to make it go away. 1.00

01:35:30.520 We need fewer of those attorneys in our lives because that's not fair. 0.99

01:35:34.680 And kudos to Cardi B for standing up and saying, basically, I'm not taking any shit. 0.98

01:35:40.420 And that's what this lawsuit is about. 0.99

01:35:42.440 And she didn't take any shit. 0.99

01:35:44.740 So good for her. 1.00

01:35:45.420 It's so true. 0.84

01:35:45.660 And by the way, body shaming is never a cause of action.

01:35:49.500 Yeah, they would have settled this just so that they didn't have to go through the inconvenience

01:35:53.400 and the public humiliation of testifying and so on.

01:35:56.140 And so good for her for standing up.

01:35:57.500 She knew that this woman had put her in an uncomfortable situation, not the other way around.

01:36:03.140 Here she is on the lesson learned in SOT64.

01:36:08.480 I'm not even playing around.

01:36:10.680 I would, even if I'm in my deathbed, I swear to God, I will say it in my deathbed.

01:36:15.900 I did not touch that woman. 0.99

01:36:17.960 I did not touch that girl.

01:36:19.340 I didn't lay my hands on that girl. 1.00

01:36:22.000 And with that being said, with that being said, this time around, I'm going to be nice.

01:36:29.080 The next person to try to do a frivolous lawsuit against me, I'm going to counter sue.

01:36:35.400 I applaud that, Dave.

01:36:38.780 That's really what will deter people because when they get this plaintiff's attorney who has dollar signs in his eyes,

01:36:45.000 there's almost no downside to somebody like this bringing a massive lawsuit against a celebrity like her.

01:36:49.600 That's right, the cult of personality, of fame out there.

01:36:53.620 You can be famous just by suing a famous person, and then it can help your law practice.

01:36:58.340 So that's an advantage.

01:36:59.600 But we're starting to see celebrities fight back.

01:37:01.920 Megan, it wasn't just Cardi B.

01:37:03.240 Remember Gwyneth Paltrow?

01:37:04.740 She successfully fought back against that guy who was suing her, even though he was the one allegedly who plowed into her on the ski slope.

01:37:12.280 True.

01:37:12.420 So that was a fun case.

01:37:15.600 Yeah, right?

01:37:16.700 And in the past, perhaps, you know, the celebrities didn't want the negative publicity,

01:37:19.900 but I think they're starting to get good publicity by standing up to people who see them as a windfall, as a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

01:37:29.160 I feel like they can all thank Johnny Depp for giving them the example of how not to just roll over.

01:37:35.180 Like there actually might be a greater value in standing up and fighting.

01:37:38.360 Okay, last but not least, I want to get to this.

01:37:40.660 Um, not long ago, we had on the show, um, Kash Patel's girlfriend.

01:37:46.160 She came on the show because she wanted to set the record straight.

01:37:49.180 Trying to find my notes here on exactly the status of the lawsuit.

01:37:52.720 Um, people were calling her a Mossad agent and accusing her of being part of a honeypot operation.

01:38:00.140 Like where you're a spy and you cozy up to somebody just to like compromise them.

01:38:05.860 And she came on the Megyn Kelly show to set the record straight and say, this isn't true.

01:38:10.200 I didn't, I'm not that person.

01:38:12.040 Here she is, uh, sat 55. 0.98

01:38:14.840 This is from our July 30th episode.

01:38:17.820 For the record, I should ask you, are you a spy for any government?

01:38:22.680 Uh, definitely not.

01:38:24.340 Um, that is, that is a firm no on that front.

01:38:26.800 Okay, her name is Alexis Wilkins and now she's sued one of the podcasters who said this about her, a guy named Kyle Serafin, um, for defamation because he said explicitly, well, the following.

01:38:41.780 Here it is in SAAD 53.

01:38:45.280 He's had his own little honeypot issue that's been going on of late.

01:38:48.020 So we're just going to acknowledge it real publicly.

01:38:49.720 He's got a girlfriend that's half his age who apparently is both a country music singer, a political commentator on Rumble, a friend now of John Rich through Bongino, who also owns a big chunk of Rumble.

01:39:03.360 And she's also a former Mossad agent in what is like the equivalent of their M, their NSA.

01:39:09.020 Well, I'm sure that's totally because like, she's really looking for like a cross-eyed, you know, kind of thickish built, super cool bro.

01:39:16.120 Who's almost 50 years old.

01:39:17.880 Who's Indian in America.

01:39:19.240 Like it has nothing to do with the fact that, uh, we're really close to the Trump administration.

01:39:23.320 Anyway, I'm sure that that's totally just like love.

01:39:25.420 That's what real love looks like.

01:39:26.500 He's, he's got a problem because he stated it as though it were a fact.

01:39:31.480 He did not say in my opinion, or she's probably, he stated it like it's a fact and suggesting that she's betraying her country by, by sleeping with the FBI director.

01:39:42.600 So she can give dirt back to the Mossad in Israel, a place she's never been.

01:39:46.520 She has absolutely no connection with them whatsoever.

01:39:49.060 There's no question that's defamatory, Dave, but is it actionable?

01:39:52.340 Like will the, will the civil suit against him go anywhere?

01:39:55.140 Yeah, I think so, Megan.

01:39:57.280 And she is arguably a public figure.

01:39:59.460 So she has a higher burden.

01:40:00.880 You got to show actual malice that he knew better.

01:40:03.220 And she's saying they had met before.

01:40:04.700 So he knew that she was not a Mossad agent.

01:40:07.280 And you can tell by his language there, there's real, some animosity there.

01:40:10.840 He's Indian.

01:40:11.540 Why would you want to date this guy? 0.99

01:40:12.860 It's pretty ugly.

01:40:14.000 And for me, I got to tell you, Megan, I I'm like tired of the far right and far left podcasters.

01:40:19.800 This guy's a Republican podcaster who's supposedly a recovering FBI agent.

01:40:24.020 And I'm tired of them using Israel as the bad guy and everything.

01:40:27.120 Mossad, Israel as the enemy. 0.89

01:40:29.300 So I'm glad he's getting sued.

01:40:31.080 And by the way, on that subject, thank you for standing up against Chris Martin and his devaluing of Israeli citizens' lives. 0.90

01:40:38.640 It's ridiculous. 0.92

01:40:38.920 By saying, you are human. 0.98

01:40:40.540 I will grant you your humanity.

01:40:42.080 Like, please.

01:40:42.800 Oh, thanks.

01:40:43.420 Thanks so much for your, for deigning to do that.

01:40:45.660 He denies that he doesn't remember meeting her ever before.

01:40:49.280 And even if he did meet her, I don't know.

01:40:51.040 Their point is, you met at a time when she was dating Kash Patel pre-FBI director.

01:40:56.760 So how could you credibly say this is a honeypot operation?

01:40:59.780 Because he was not in that role yet, Jonna.

01:41:02.560 But he denies remembering the meeting.

01:41:04.940 Actual malice is a very high bar, though.

01:41:06.540 It is. 1.00

01:41:09.400 But he's a jerk, number one. 1.00

01:41:10.740 Number two, I would argue that maybe she's not a public figure, which wouldn't require actual malice. 1.00

01:41:15.000 So she did plead it in her pleading.

01:41:16.440 And here's what I love about her.

01:41:18.140 He makes the statement on August 22nd.

01:41:20.040 She files her lawsuit on August 27th.

01:41:22.480 There's a weekend in there.

01:41:23.980 They wasted no time.

01:41:25.680 Good for her and her team.

01:41:28.440 It's hard.

01:41:29.160 Like, if I were him, I would apologize.

01:41:31.640 I would retract it.

01:41:32.620 And I would try to save myself on this.

01:41:34.940 You know, maybe he could have her on, and they could have a real heart-to-heart.

01:41:38.560 That would be a better place for this to land. 0.56

01:41:40.540 It's hard.

01:41:41.200 You know, loose talk on a podcast, which is freewheeling, can happen.

01:41:45.540 If that's what happened there, he should fix it.

01:41:48.160 He should fix it with an apology.

01:41:49.820 And I bet she'd make it go away.

01:41:52.960 That's not exactly what he's done.

01:41:55.040 He's said it's frivolous. 0.62

01:41:56.760 He called Kash Patel dumb for letting his girlfriend file it.

01:41:59.760 So it doesn't sound like it's going in that direction.

01:42:02.040 We'll continue to follow it, especially on MK True Crime.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - September 05, 2025

Fake Theater Kids Booker and Markle, Adelson Guilty and Cardi B Wins, with Link Lauren, Dave Aronberg, and Jonna Spilbor ｜ Ep 1142

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