The Megyn Kelly Show - False George Floyd Narratives Exposed in New Film, and How It Changed Policing, with Liz Collin, JC Chaix, and Heather Mac Donald ｜ Ep. 670

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00:00:31.000 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM Channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:00:42.880 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:00:46.260 Oh my gosh, what a program we have for you today.

00:00:49.380 This is a show I've long wanted to do.

00:00:51.200 It is a show focused on a story that took center stage in America in the spring of 2020

00:00:56.740 and really never left.

00:00:58.920 The arrest and death of George Floyd, the tragic situation that led to immediate media spin

00:01:05.080 and narratives that emerged, and the ramifications today in all of our lives.

00:01:11.600 Today we have two people who have spent years researching, interviewing key players, and uncovering

00:01:20.440 major details about the Floyd story that you have not seen before, and for a reason.

00:01:26.860 They've been hidden from you by people in positions of authority who knew the truth but didn't want you to.

00:01:33.520 Our guests today have uncovered failures of political leaders, shifting narratives,

00:01:39.580 and they've highlighted the brutal treatment of the Minnesota-Minneapolis police force,

00:01:46.200 of the police force, not by the cops, but was done to them during this troubling time in America

00:01:52.680 and the fallout at the trial of Derek Chauvin.

00:01:57.400 They share their reporting in an extraordinary new documentary called The Fall of Minneapolis.

00:02:04.640 Here's a bit. Watch.

00:02:05.660 It started out as a lot of people gathered, which is the First Amendment right.

00:02:12.220 No peace!

00:02:13.800 But it quickly changed.

00:02:17.260 Each day, it just compounded.

00:02:19.860 The first day, it was like 1,000 people.

00:02:22.120 The next day, it was 4,000 people.

00:02:24.200 And then the day after that, 10,000 people.

00:02:29.160 The heart's racing right now, talking about this.

00:02:32.380 They'd throw rocks and bricks and firebombs.

00:02:36.500 I'm like, what is going on?

00:02:37.920 Where do I live right now?

00:02:39.680 What did you think of this plan to surrender the precinct?

00:02:42.180 No way. No way.

00:02:43.600 They're not going to do that.

00:02:44.520 You can't just give up a precinct.

00:02:47.840 Sent a strong message that they're in control.

00:02:51.080 They're still in control to this day.

00:02:54.200 And just a bit later, we're going to be joined by the one and only Heather McDonald. 0.89

00:02:59.960 God, she's brilliant.

00:03:00.960 About how the George Floyd case has changed policing in America.

00:03:05.020 But joining us first, Liz Collin, journalist at Alpha News and author of They're Lying,

00:03:11.300 The Media, The Left, and The Death of George Floyd.

00:03:15.640 And J.C. Shea, former police officer and editor of Liz's best-selling book.

00:03:20.480 Together, they are the producer and director of the new documentary, The Fall of Minneapolis,

00:03:26.240 which is available to stream as of tomorrow.

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00:04:02.620 Liz, J.C., welcome to the show.

00:04:04.920 I'm so glad you're here.

00:04:06.820 I have to tell you, it's been a busy time.

00:04:10.200 And normally, I would have watched the documentary prior to today, the day you were coming on.

00:04:15.680 I read the packet that my team did.

00:04:17.840 But I only watched it this morning.

00:04:19.940 And I have to say, like, I'm still upset over what I saw.

00:04:22.560 It was extremely jarring and not in the way the leftist activists want us to see this

00:04:29.620 whole situation.

00:04:30.960 What was done to these cops, in particular, the four at the center of the George Floyd

00:04:36.480 case, but all of the Minneapolis cops, is deeply wrong.

00:04:43.000 Everyone turned on them.

00:04:44.640 Everyone.

00:04:45.540 The justice system at every turn failed these guys who had served the justice system and

00:04:51.440 the people of Minneapolis for decades in some cases, at least in the case of Derek Chauvin.

00:04:56.180 And now these four cops are sitting in jail, smeared, reputations ruined, and no one has

00:05:03.160 any interest in the truth.

00:05:04.480 I mean, Derek Chauvin right now is seeking an appeal to the U.S. Supreme Court, which we

00:05:08.140 all know is not likely to be heard.

00:05:10.140 They take almost no cases.

00:05:11.580 He's got a slim shot, but the odds are against him.

00:05:15.540 The Minneapolis Supreme Court's already rejected his appeal.

00:05:18.660 They made them try this case in the middle of a powder keg where they would have zero chance

00:05:24.020 at a fair trial.

00:05:25.320 The judge, the police of the chief of police, the mayor, Al Sharpton, the reverend who spoke

00:05:32.820 at George Floyd's funeral.

00:05:34.040 My God, you guys lay it all bare in this extraordinary film.

00:05:37.940 I was not expecting to have this kind of a reaction to it.

00:05:41.900 You know, I've, I've heard the story.

00:05:43.100 I've heard some of this stuff.

00:05:44.380 I had not heard anywhere near the amount of information you two have uncovered.

00:05:49.100 And so let's start there because there's a reason you were able to get all this stuff

00:05:53.940 that most people, that nobody, nobody who's taken this kind of a look at the case, and there

00:05:58.600 have been others who have tried, has gotten.

00:06:00.620 Um, you're intimately connected with the, the police force and the police in Minneapolis.

00:06:07.420 And Liz, you're a news reporter.

00:06:09.340 I mean, you're in the business of uncovering stories and you're also married to, um, lifelong

00:06:14.800 cops.

00:06:15.340 So let me start with you, Liz, and just explain to us how you came at this, because I imagine

00:06:19.560 you were going through the whole George Floyd backlash in a way the rest of us were not.

00:06:25.080 Well, first of all, I just want to say, Megan, thank you so much for having, having us on

00:06:28.720 and having the courage to, to bring this forward.

00:06:30.760 I'm thrilled you were able to, to watch the film.

00:06:33.140 Um, we're still kind of getting the emotion and such from people that have seen it for

00:06:36.980 the first time, even though it will be released, uh, tomorrow, just from some folks who were

00:06:40.880 able to, to see it at our premiere last night.

00:06:42.680 And, and that's what we want people to, to feel in all of this, simply that this didn't

00:06:46.840 have to happen.

00:06:47.780 And to put this all together in, in a way that, that makes sense, uh, for people and

00:06:52.220 putting the truth out there.

00:06:53.640 But, but yeah, you're right.

00:06:54.900 Um, my husband, uh, was a long time, uh, Minneapolis police Lieutenant.

00:07:00.200 He was the president of the police union in Minneapolis during all of this.

00:07:04.080 I was a long time, uh, anchor, uh, and reporter at the CBS station.

00:07:08.460 In fact, uh, in, in Minneapolis, uh, where it was kind of my lifelong dream to work growing

00:07:13.160 up.

00:07:13.360 It was the station I grew up, grew up watching and I sort of watched my personal world, uh,

00:07:18.360 fall apart, uh, professionally, I should say, uh, through, through all of this.

00:07:22.680 The canceled culture came after me and in full force and after my husband as well, because 0.97

00:07:26.880 of course, uh, the police union had to be to blame, uh, for, for all of this.

00:07:30.980 And, um, but more than anything, I was so troubled as a journalist through all of this,

00:07:35.960 um, how they were privy to the information, the truth in all of this.

00:07:40.320 And they refused, uh, to report it.

00:07:42.960 Instead, it was this dangerous narrative they decided to push from day one.

00:07:46.260 And you're right.

00:07:46.720 We're still paying the consequences to this day.

00:07:50.220 It's not just Derek Chauvin and the three other officers who wound up taking, being taken

00:07:57.980 down as a result of this narrative.

00:08:00.120 We're all living this.

00:08:01.480 I mean, this is the, this case directly led to the increase in crime in major American

00:08:07.920 cities, coast to coast, the loss of lives, not just of police, but of the black community 1.00

00:08:13.880 in disproportionate numbers, uh, as police pulled back, quit, retired early, um, not to

00:08:21.240 mention the explosion of the preexisting, but the, you know, at one point still percolating.

00:08:27.040 Now it's exploded DEI programs in every part of our lives, whether it's K through 12 education

00:08:33.720 or corporate America or sports fields.

00:08:36.520 I mean, it's everywhere and, and it's built on a lie.

00:08:40.980 It's built on a lie.

00:08:42.620 Many lies.

00:08:44.440 You've got to watch this thing.

00:08:46.020 I, I, when people come on the show, you guys, I support their, you know, they don't get on

00:08:50.580 the show.

00:08:50.940 If I don't support what they've done, if I don't, if I can't promote the book, I don't

00:08:54.120 believe in it, or I don't like the movie, I just won't have them on.

00:08:56.840 I wouldn't have you on and then disparage your product, but some really affect me more

00:09:01.620 than others.

00:09:02.080 I'm, I'm really begging the audience to watch this.

00:09:05.460 And before we go any further, I should make clear.

00:09:07.860 Um, so it's alpha news, Liz.

00:09:09.940 It's, is it on rumble as of tomorrow?

00:09:11.600 Where, where specifically and how specifically?

00:09:14.220 Yeah, it's alpha news MN.

00:09:16.260 That's our, that's our channel.

00:09:17.400 We want people to follow our rumble channel.

00:09:19.160 And also, uh, the website is the fall of Minneapolis.

00:09:23.280 Uh, so the fall of Minneapolis.com.

00:09:25.240 It'll, it'll get you there, uh, as well.

00:09:27.300 But alpha news is where I am now.

00:09:28.740 I left mainstream media through all of this, just so tired of pushing this propaganda and

00:09:32.880 this divisive, uh, messaging and not calling out the people who needed to be called out from,

00:09:37.480 you know, from the very beginning.

00:09:39.060 Um, and I went over to alpha news, we're an independent news organization in Minnesota,

00:09:42.840 and they allowed me to put this documentary together, uh, with, with Dr. Shea and, you

00:09:47.940 know, just, uh, it, it does take courage nowadays, sadly to report the truth.

00:09:51.820 That's the world we, the world we live in.

00:09:53.720 But yes, uh, thank you so much for, for pointing people in the right direction.

00:09:56.720 I do hope as many people will watch as possible.

00:09:59.700 They're going to watch this.

00:10:01.160 I trust me.

00:10:02.400 You need to watch this.

00:10:03.700 I will tell you, Liz, I had similar experience in that.

00:10:07.020 I was sitting on my couch when the George Floyd thing happened and I wasn't sure what I

00:10:12.440 was going to do.

00:10:12.920 It was post NBC.

00:10:13.940 It just wasn't, I didn't want to go back to the mainstream media.

00:10:16.840 That had been a terrible experience.

00:10:18.780 And I wasn't sure whether I would get off the couch at all.

00:10:21.780 Frankly, I was, you know, this business is disgusting and toxic in many ways.

00:10:24.700 And I just thought maybe I'll just sit here with my family and, you know, do something

00:10:27.820 else.

00:10:28.380 And it was this case and the reaction to it and what was happening to cops.

00:10:32.600 And I have one as a brother that made me get off the couch.

00:10:35.880 I mean, I could just see that the lies being told and Heather McDonald is coming up after 1.00

00:10:40.740 you two was one of the very few brave souls to write the truth.

00:10:45.340 Even then, even at the fever pitch point of George Floyd in the aftermath, she wrote

00:10:50.780 the truth.

00:10:51.980 And I thought, I have to get out there.

00:10:54.840 I've got to set the record straight.

00:10:55.980 This is deeply wrong.

00:10:56.840 What's happening.

00:10:57.500 But boy, I had no idea.

00:10:59.580 And now I do.

00:11:01.280 JC, you, so how do you know Liz and how, because you, it seems to me you were a filmmaker

00:11:05.960 before this.

00:11:06.720 So how did you get, how did you get involved in this?

00:11:09.520 Sure.

00:11:10.060 We, we have a mutual friend or let's just say a powerful force in the universe out

00:11:14.800 there.

00:11:15.920 And he runs law officer.com.

00:11:18.060 I helped him write a book and he's a friend of Bob Kroll, Liz's husband, and said, Hey,

00:11:25.280 before you even think about writing anything, you should talk to my guy.

00:11:28.820 You should talk to, to me.

00:11:30.420 And we immediately hit it off.

00:11:32.760 We realized there's a lot of truth that needs to be told here.

00:11:36.060 And I'm just glad to be a part of the team.

00:11:39.140 And with Alpha News going after the truth relentlessly, it's, it's been, does most people

00:11:46.380 say a blessing, but it's been something like that near divine to be a part of a team that

00:11:51.280 goes after the truth and puts all the other nonsense aside, as you know, in the media industry.

00:11:55.740 And I will say that with, with Jay's background also as a police officer, he was able to see

00:12:01.200 this through, through that lens as well.

00:12:04.200 And, you know, see how this cancel culture came after the profession from day one.

00:12:09.740 And, and, and, and you said it based on, based on lies and the lies began almost immediately

00:12:14.780 here.

00:12:15.920 So, so let's go back.

00:12:17.260 All right.

00:12:17.540 And we'll, and we're going to go through the story and we'll hit sort of, if you look at

00:12:20.960 his Roman numeral outline form, we'll hit some of the big Roman numerals, but you got

00:12:25.960 to watch the documentary to see the inserts and the details and the footage and the interviews

00:12:30.700 that there are interviews with Derek Chauvin.

00:12:33.120 I mean, I've never seen that before either you, you're going to see all of that.

00:12:36.120 And then the, many of the cops, Derek Chauvin's mom went on the record with Liz and JC and

00:12:41.700 it's very telling.

00:12:43.980 Um, but the way you tell the narrative, like the, the facts that you fill in along the way

00:12:48.780 are really what got me.

00:12:49.760 I mean, really what upset me.

00:12:52.020 Um, let's start with the arrest.

00:12:54.160 So set the, set the scene for us, Liz.

00:12:56.580 It's, it's May of 2020.

00:12:59.000 George Floyd goes to a store that day.

00:13:01.880 And what happens?

00:13:03.260 Yeah, May, May 25th Memorial day of, of 2020 and George Floyd goes, goes into this store

00:13:10.940 at 38th and Chicago in Minneapolis and, uh, pays for some things with a counterfeit bill

00:13:17.380 and, uh, simply goes back, back to his car.

00:13:20.600 He's acting very erratic.

00:13:22.340 I should say in the store, the security camera captures that quite clearly.

00:13:25.980 There's a 911 call, uh, placed about this, this bill that is, that is counterfeit.

00:13:31.700 And, uh, also during that call, there's, there's talk of this erratic behavior, that something

00:13:36.200 is off with this guy.

00:13:37.540 But George Floyd goes back into the vehicle across the street from, from Cup Foods and,

00:13:41.760 and the police respond.

00:13:42.940 And that, uh, those officers are Alex King and Thomas Lane.

00:13:46.940 Uh, Alex King had been on the job for three days at that point.

00:13:49.720 Um, his third shift as a Minneapolis police officer and, uh, Thomas Lane, his fourth day

00:13:54.720 as a Minneapolis police officer, just coming off of their field training, um, at that time.

00:13:59.640 And immediately, uh, Tom, Tom Lane goes up to George Floyd's window.

00:14:03.680 He, he is not complying.

00:14:05.360 And that's what we like, we wanted to do, um, in, in the film is see this body camera footage.

00:14:10.600 You know, remember we were only allowed to see this viral Facebook video.

00:14:14.200 And there's a reason for that.

00:14:15.440 Uh, there is a long interaction that takes place, uh, with, with Thomas Lane, Alex King

00:14:19.820 and George Floyd long before Derek Chauvin even arrives on scene, uh, with his partner

00:14:24.560 that day to, to Tao.

00:14:26.180 And there, and that's what people should question why this information has been kept from them,

00:14:30.500 uh, for so long, nearly two and a half months before the body camera footage came out, Megan,

00:14:34.800 in this case.

00:14:35.580 And that was only because it was leaked by an international news agency.

00:14:38.920 They tried to keep it from the public.

00:14:41.280 Look, we have a little bit of that, that the original encounter where, uh,

00:14:45.440 Officer Lane goes over to George Floyd's car, which has two other people in it as well.

00:14:49.880 And Floyd will not get out of the car in SOT 2.

00:14:52.680 Stay in the car.

00:14:53.680 Let me see your other hand.

00:14:54.680 I'm sorry.

00:14:55.680 I'm sorry.

00:14:56.680 I'm sorry.

00:14:57.680 Let me see your other hand.

00:14:58.680 Please, please.

00:15:01.680 Both hands! 1.00

00:15:02.680 Put your fucking hands up right now. 1.00

00:15:04.120 Let me see your other hand. 1.00

00:15:05.120 All right.

00:15:06.120 What do we do?

00:15:08.060 Put your hand up there.

00:15:11.000 What did I do, though?

00:15:12.640 What did we do?

00:15:13.620 Put your hand up there. 1.00

00:15:15.520 Put your fucking hand up there. 1.00

00:15:17.820 Jesus Christ. 1.00

00:15:18.920 Keep your fucking hands on the wheel. 1.00

00:15:21.560 Keep your fucking hands on the wheel. 1.00

00:15:24.000 I'm sorry, Mr. Officer. 1.00

00:15:25.000 Man, I got shot the same way, Mr. Officer, before.

00:15:27.540 Okay, well, when I say let me see your hands, you put your fucking hands up. 0.99

00:15:30.960 Man, I'm so sorry, Mr. Officer. 0.99

00:15:32.580 You got him?

00:15:34.160 Step out of the vehicle and step away from me, all right?

00:15:36.200 Yes, sir.

00:15:37.080 Step out and face away.

00:15:39.200 Step out and face away.

00:15:40.400 Okay, Mr. Officer, please don't shoot me.

00:15:41.720 Please, man.

00:15:42.320 I'm not going to shoot you.

00:15:43.260 Step out and face away.

00:15:44.480 I'm looking at you eye to eye, man.

00:15:45.900 Please don't shoot me, man.

00:15:47.100 I'm not shooting you, man.

00:15:48.940 I just lost my mom, man.

00:15:51.460 Step out and face away.

00:15:52.860 I'm so sorry.

00:15:54.860 Step out and face away.

00:15:56.580 Please don't shoot me, Mr. Officer.

00:15:58.040 Please don't shoot me, man.

00:15:59.560 Step out and face away. 1.00

00:16:00.360 Can you not shoot me, man? 1.00

00:16:01.000 I'm not shooting you. 1.00

00:16:01.640 Step out and face away.

00:16:02.540 Okay, okay, okay.

00:16:03.840 Please.

00:16:04.720 Please, man.

00:16:06.400 Please.

00:16:07.020 I didn't know, man.

00:16:08.220 Get out of the car.

00:16:09.260 Okay, so explain, and keep in mind, again, as Liz points out, that was not shared with us until

00:16:20.960 months after this whole incident, the body cam footage that the officers obtained. What does

00:16:27.440 that show us? Yeah, I think what that shows more than anything is we have someone who's had

00:16:35.820 experiences and is experienced in being arrested. Among cops, you'd say, okay, we have someone

00:16:42.840 who's running game. In other words, they're telling the lies, they're telling certain things

00:16:48.060 to elicit a certain response from officers and try to throw them off. And you can also see in that

00:16:54.060 a little contrast and reflection, but if you have cop eyes where you're trained to look inside a car

00:16:59.300 what someone's doing, you notice Mr. Floyd is reaching like that over, that's a very common

00:17:06.360 reaching for the center console, trying to hide things in between a seat move. And none of this

00:17:12.620 was even shown and hidden from the public by the FBI and others under the guise of we are still

00:17:20.460 conducting research and conducting our investigation. But really what we have is there are plenty of

00:17:29.000 reasons and red flags to have stopped this whole narrative of George Floyd wasn't resisting.

00:17:34.800 Even here is backseat passenger Shawanda Hill yell out, stop resisting Floyd. And that's a much 0.77

00:17:42.280 different narrative, a much different narrative than was portrayed by just a 10 minute, well after

00:17:49.680 the fact, viral video on Facebook. And what we tried to do in the documentary as well, Megan,

00:17:56.060 is go back to 2019 where we have a very similar arrest take place with George Floyd. However,

00:18:02.100 our leaders here in Minneapolis started parroting that they never knew who George Floyd was. They'd

00:18:07.520 never heard of him before. Well, it turns out he was the center of an undercover drug investigation

00:18:12.980 where they found thousands of dollars in pills on him that day. And his arrest, if you play side by

00:18:21.140 side from 2019 to 2020 is so similar. And so we wanted to bring that out in the film as well,

00:18:27.720 the same things he's talking about, the same resistance, et cetera. And also speaking to that

00:18:32.840 officer who arrested George Floyd in 2019. But again, we were we were lied to and said that that,

00:18:38.500 you know, never had happened before. It was like a playbook. I mean, you can see this is a frequent

00:18:43.200 flyer. He's very used to dealing with the cops. And while the untrained civilian watching this,

00:18:48.600 you know, he's crying, he's a grown man. He's saying, please, please, you know, it's natural

00:18:53.980 for you to be like, oh, poor guy. Look what's happening. And especially when you're watching

00:18:57.060 it, knowing what what would ultimately happen to him this day, he would lose his life. But really,

00:19:02.880 you have to understand it's a huge manipulation what you're watching. It's George Floyd trying to

00:19:08.420 manipulate the cops because he wasn't shot the last time. His mom did not just die. He's even like,

00:19:16.240 I just had covid, you know, like he he's trying to play every card in the book to generate some

00:19:22.380 sympathy for the police who are trying to arrest him for having passed fake cash inside the store

00:19:29.900 moments earlier. Please don't don't leave us because there's so much more to get to. And there's

00:19:34.180 amazing soundbites coming your way that I think will really illuminate the case for you

00:19:37.440 as it has for all of us. OK, stand by. Don't forget, you can stream stream their documentary,

00:19:42.960 The Fall of Minneapolis, starting November 16th on the Alpha News Rumble channel at Alpha News

00:19:49.260 MN. These are Minnesota people, and that's part of the reason they got all such great access.

00:19:54.680 Or you can just go to thefallofminneapolis.com. We'll be right back there with us for quite some

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00:20:30.740 So George Floyd began immediately resisting as the passengers in his car were saying themselves,

00:20:42.240 stop resisting. Then what we see from the body cam footage that you air shows before George Floyd

00:20:50.000 ever got down on the ground with Derek Chauvin, he was saying, I can't breathe. He's throwing out a

00:21:00.740 you know, the mother did not just die. She died two years early. He did not get shot in his last

00:21:04.880 encounter with police. That was a lie to a lie, lie, lie, lie, lie. And then in the back of the

00:21:09.060 car, he's doing what all police officers have experienced. He's trying to ratchet up his own

00:21:14.200 personal issues so that they'll feel sorry for him and let him go. This is the cop's obvious perception

00:21:19.500 because he's still functioning fine. He's like fighting. He doesn't seem like somebody who's

00:21:24.180 having trouble breathing, but he claims that before he ever has a knee on his shoulder,

00:21:30.160 not his neck, as we're going to get to. Watch Sop 3.

00:21:34.300 Take a seat. I'm going in. No, you're not. I gotta go in. Take a seat.

00:21:38.160 Grab a seat, man. I don't believe me. Take a seat. I'm not the kind of guy. I'm not the kind of guy,

00:21:43.280 man. Take a seat. I'm a diet. Take a seat. I'm a stop, man. You need to take a seat right now.

00:21:48.700 And I just had COVID, man. I don't want to go back to that. Get in the car. Okay, man. Okay.

00:21:52.820 I'm not a bad guy, man. In the car. I'm not a bad guy. I'm a bad guy. Oh, man. I don't want to go.

00:22:00.820 Please. Please. Take a seat. Please, man. Please. No, no. Take a seat. I can't choke. I can't breathe.

00:22:09.820 I can't breathe. I can't take that, man. I can't. I'm on the ground. I'm on the ground.

00:22:15.200 I'm on the ground. I'm on the ground. I'm on the ground. I'm on the ground. I'm on the ground.

00:22:18.820 Come on. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. Ah. 0.96

00:22:24.040 It's, I mean, as a former cop yourself, JC, it's, he's, he's large. He's hard to control.

00:22:32.120 And he's wild. He's wild. You've got two cops who cannot get him under control.

00:22:36.660 So for the people out there watching this saying, poor guy, you know, he's in trauma. He's in distress.

00:22:44.040 What say you?

00:22:45.260 There is something very telling when you hear anyone you're trying to arrest say, I can't choke.

00:22:53.120 I can't breathe. And nobody's on top of them. There's no knee on his neck or on his shoulder blade.

00:23:00.240 There's barely even an officer touching him.

00:23:02.860 The one officer who is touching basically his ankle at that point is officer Alex King, who is the black officer who arrested George Floyd.

00:23:15.640 And when someone's trying to do that, there's also a part in there where George Floyd hits his face up against the partition.

00:23:22.660 That's someone who's trying to do every single thing they can to avoid going to jail.

00:23:28.840 And that's the scenario we're watching.

00:23:32.220 He, I, and people need to understand, you know, you got to watch this understanding that cops put their lives on the line every day.

00:23:39.020 Every single encounter can be the police officers last.

00:23:42.560 It happens all the time where they get shot, they get beaten.

00:23:46.840 Somebody who's resisting arrest winds up getting the better of them.

00:23:49.980 Floyd was handcuffed, but he was extremely strong and he was not complying at all and could and could withstand the strength of two law enforcement officers.

00:23:59.020 So you can understand how adrenaline is running high here.

00:24:02.660 He just just comply, just comply.

00:24:04.580 Um, he winds up on the ground, as we now all know, and you guys address in the film, the, um, you know, what the prosecutor said was eight minutes and 46 seconds.

00:24:14.420 Uh, you know, we heard that that many times.

00:24:17.300 Um, what we also heard was knee on the neck, knee on the neck, knee on the neck, knee on the neck, knee on the neck, knee on the neck, knee on the neck.

00:24:24.160 That's what Derek Chauvin did.

00:24:25.640 That's what was so inhumane about him.

00:24:27.920 He was strangling him.

00:24:29.360 He was asphyxiating him in front of our very eyes.

00:24:32.880 And this did get raised at trial, but the, what, what we actually know from the autopsies now and the body cams that you guys looked at with the officers is there was no knee on the neck.

00:24:45.580 There was no knee on the neck, Liz.

00:24:47.320 It was a knee on the shoulder, which is exactly how Derek Chauvin was trained to do it by Minneapolis PD.

00:24:56.940 Here's a bit of George Floyd on the ground and sought for.

00:25:03.940 Come on out.

00:25:05.640 Thank you.

00:25:06.760 Thank you.

00:25:07.140 On the ground.

00:25:10.200 And then let me just show.

00:25:40.180 video because we have a side by side here of the footage that tried to, you know, make it look like George Floyd, uh, had the shirt Chauvin had the knee on the neck.

00:25:50.200 And then the other angle, which clearly shows, well, clearly is an exaggeration, but you can see it.

00:25:55.120 If you, if you look, um, knee on the shoulder, it was knee on the shoulder.

00:25:59.240 And my God, this really matters.

00:26:00.760 That footage that they're on the left is what everybody saw.

00:26:03.440 And they said, knee on the neck, but the body cam footage from the officer, which is on screen, right?

00:26:09.620 Shows it was on his shoulder.

00:26:11.180 It was an optical illusion on the left hand side.

00:26:13.820 And it mattered, Liz.

00:26:15.980 Yeah.

00:26:16.400 And there's so much to be said, Megan, also about the conversation the officers are having on the scene.

00:26:21.440 You have, uh, that this narrative that was concocted of seven, eight, nine minutes that, you know, they became that this mantra, but nobody talks about the 36 seconds that passed before Thomas Lane calls for an EMS for, for an ambulance, uh, to come to the scene.

00:26:35.160 36 seconds into it, 36 seconds into it, this heartless, inhumane killer, as that's what the prosecutor wants us to believe, made sure he called EMS to get there to help George Floyd before, before any of this has really gone down.

00:26:46.580 He's like, this guy needs medical attention.

00:26:48.000 Keep going.

00:26:48.820 And we still, to this day, think that if they would have just been honest with these body camera videos from the very beginning, we clearly would not be here having this, having this conversation.

00:26:57.360 But, but they hit all of this, including that conversation that the officers have about MRT, the maximal restraint technique.

00:27:03.180 Again, something we're told the very next day, this is not something they recognize.

00:27:07.360 This is not a part of training.

00:27:09.160 Um, and they were saying that very early on.

00:27:11.320 And we noticed that the, the, uh, training manuals, the two pages that address this MRT just disappeared, um, offline.

00:27:18.720 And we have quite a bit about that in, in the book, uh, as well.

00:27:21.780 They were manipulating this case, uh, from the very beginning.

00:27:25.380 Because if, if MRT, which is maximal restraint technique, um, if that's allowed, if that's taught,

00:27:33.180 by the Minneapolis police to their officers, then they're on the hook.

00:27:38.120 Then it's their fault.

00:27:39.240 Then it's not a Derek Chauvin thing.

00:27:40.560 It's a much better narrative for them. 0.99

00:27:42.500 If you've got a rogue racist cop, forget the fact that King is black. 0.96

00:27:46.480 We'll just skip right over the fact that he was the arresting officer and involved the whole time and never abandoned Derek Chauvin. 0.99

00:27:52.440 Um, much easier to look at Chauvin, the white guy, the one knee on the neck, again, a lie.

00:27:57.020 And say, that's not an approved technique.

00:27:59.360 As we heard the chief of police say under oath at trial, along with Minneapolis police officer, Katie Blackwell, you've got that.

00:28:10.040 It's SOT 13.

00:28:12.020 And then here's Chauvin's mother following up.

00:28:14.400 There's just a trained technique that's, uh, by the Minneapolis police department when you were, uh, overseeing the training unit.

00:28:22.080 It is not.

00:28:22.700 And how does this differ?

00:28:26.900 I don't know what kind of improvised position that is.

00:28:31.280 So that's not what we train.

00:28:33.020 All right.

00:28:34.040 As you reflect on exhibit 17, I must ask you, is this a trained Minneapolis police department defensive tactics technique?

00:28:43.580 It is not. 0.99

00:28:44.240 When I heard that part of the testimony, I really wanted to get up off my chair and yell, bullshit. 0.92

00:28:56.060 Several of those witnesses testified that MRT, or the maximal restraint technique, was not a part of Minneapolis police policy. 0.95

00:29:05.140 Hmm.

00:29:05.860 They're not in the manuals?

00:29:07.200 Well, they sure as hell are in Derek's training manuals.

00:29:10.140 So how can they say that they don't exist?

00:29:13.960 That was Derek Chauvin's mother showing, showing the training manuals that were given to her son.

00:29:21.940 How can this happen?

00:29:23.880 How can it be that, you know, what you guys characterize as just lies, uh, in the film are told on the stand, like what, why wasn't there officer after officer called by the defense council to rebut that saying 100% it was taught to us all.

00:29:41.140 Yeah, there's another layer of manipulation in here, of course, and most folks overlook the role and the capacity of a judge in a trial to shape and manipulate where that goes.

00:29:58.200 And most of that is done through which evidence is allowed in the case and which evidence is conveniently excluded.

00:30:05.980 So while you and I would say, well, clearly, we should have had all of these, we should have had every officer on the force testify, that's only if a judge will allow that testimony or allow that evidence.

00:30:20.280 And so we know that MRT was not, not, not allowed in Derek Chauvin's trial at all, including also George Floyd's past drug arrests.

00:30:30.960 Uh, they were, they were, they were not allowed, um, either, and also some miscommunication, which we discuss, um, in, in the documentary as well from, from EMS and the EMS response time, uh, took much longer than, than it should have.

00:30:45.740 And that was a big part of this, um, case as well that was not allowed, um, in, into Derek Chauvin's trial.

00:30:51.480 Yes, because the fact that they called EMS so soon into the encounter, 36 seconds in shows they did care.

00:31:00.080 They, they were not proceeding recklessly or with absolutely no thought for George Floyd's wellbeing.

00:31:05.380 They had, they had thoughts for his wellbeing.

00:31:07.640 They had thoughts for their wellbeing and the wellbeing of the community with this guy who was clearly extremely erratic and very strong.

00:31:14.380 Right.

00:31:14.820 And so you have to think about all of that, but what happened with the EMT?

00:31:18.800 So they, you document this, there was a, there was like a misfire with the EMTs where they, they went to the wrong place, JC.

00:31:26.780 Yeah, there's another thing about that.

00:31:29.020 So conveniently the section of the body cam footage where we have Thomas Lane asking for EMS response, 36 seconds after Mr. Floyd's on the ground, which completely destroys the idea of men's ray of, of, of intent to commit murder in this case that goes out the window.

00:31:47.880 But that was conveniently not allowed to be shared, but also there's at the end of Thomas Lane's body cam video, where he is actually in the ambulance.

00:31:58.560 He does do CPR on Mr. Floyd to try and save his life, which is also conveniently excluded.

00:32:04.560 He's also sitting in a fire truck where the driver of the fire truck, the engineer says, uh, yeah, we didn't know the location.

00:32:13.400 We didn't know what was going on code two, code three.

00:32:16.000 And then one of your officers says, and I'm paraphrasing, Hey, ding dongs, you're in the wrong spot.

00:32:22.340 So what happened was we basically have a dispatcher or someone involved somewhere who's not having what should have been once they asked for a code three ambulance fire.

00:32:33.820 What does that mean?

00:32:34.340 Minneapolis fire.

00:32:35.120 Sorry.

00:32:36.180 Code three is we need the absolute highest priority lights and sirens response.

00:32:41.980 There is something life-threatening going on and two towel requested that they actually escalated it from initially a code two to a code three.

00:32:51.740 So come as fast as you can.

00:32:53.300 Exactly.

00:32:54.060 And at that point, we have that clip and you can, cause I heard that clip where they said, this doesn't look like a code three.

00:32:59.880 They get to the locate.

00:33:00.780 They're like, this doesn't look like a code three.

00:33:02.920 Here it is.

00:33:03.460 Cause I think it's a SOT five.

00:33:06.100 And you, as we're seeing, I'm like, I just don't understand.

00:33:09.180 And then we figured out where it was.

00:33:10.560 And then one of your officers was like, Hey, ding dongs, you're at the wrong spot.

00:33:18.840 Yeah.

00:33:19.440 So that's, that's a piece of it because the, the public narrative was, it was all the bad cops that EMS and fire quote, did everything right.

00:33:31.140 And it's not that everybody needs to go under the bus, but in doing an honest expose on how this happened, you got to be honest about the fact that the EMS, they, they screwed up.

00:33:41.280 They went to the wrong place.

00:33:43.060 Right.

00:33:43.680 And it was the fire truck.

00:33:45.200 What should have happened once there was a code three request, there is a fire station 17, which is just a few blocks of way.

00:33:52.980 They should have been dispatched.

00:33:54.700 They should have actually been there first.

00:33:57.080 If you look at the logistics of it, they were actually probably took 20 minutes and there's even testimony from the, let's just say so-called eyewitness slash expert witness, Genevieve Hansen, a firefighter who was on scene, who also testified.

00:34:14.760 And much of her testimony points out, she was very concerned about this strange response.

00:34:22.200 Fire should have been there first.

00:34:23.880 They could have began rendering aid.

00:34:25.260 Fire should have been there.

00:34:27.260 Yeah, she's featured in there. 1.00

00:34:27.960 The audience may remember her.

00:34:29.500 She was a, she was an eyewitness to the George Floyd situation.

00:34:32.660 And then when she took the stand, she was all dressed in her EMT outfit and she looked a lot more polished and, you know, but when she was there on scene, she was just kind of yelling at the cops, kind of being a distraction.

00:34:42.480 Yes.

00:34:42.740 But yeah, she, she was noticing where are the EMTs and the presumption was that these heartless cops didn't call him.

00:34:49.700 Go ahead, Liz.

00:34:50.820 But you also just have that, that miscommunication that's not allowed in trial and Thomas Lane working to save George Floyd's life in the ambulance that Judge Cahill would not allow either.

00:35:01.000 The judge is a former prosecutor from the same prosecutor's office, which, I mean, happens a lot.

00:35:08.100 You, you become a DA and then you become a judge, but you're supposed to be fair.

00:35:13.240 You know, you have to be in a case like this in which the officers are the ones who have a presumption against them.

00:35:18.740 I mean, even more so than your average defendant, you've got to bend over backwards to make sure that they have a fair trial.

00:35:26.080 There are real questions in here about whether that was done.

00:35:29.900 I want to get to, just because I mentioned it, Alex King, you said he had just gotten on the job, a brand new cop.

00:35:37.060 He was, he was the one of the four.

00:35:39.300 There are two who are minority, one Tao, he was Asian.

00:35:42.880 King was black, glossed over in most of the media reports.

00:35:46.800 You interviewed him and put the question right to him about whether he blames Derek Chauvin, because he's sitting in jail now, too.

00:35:53.300 They're all in jail.

00:35:54.640 Here it is, SOT 15.

00:35:58.160 Do you blame Chauvin for any of this?

00:36:02.440 I don't.

00:36:04.000 The way I see it is that he made the decisions he thought was right.

00:36:09.040 As he did before, he's always been one that was by the book and legally abiding.

00:36:13.300 I think he did exactly what he was trained to do.

00:36:16.480 Unfortunate that the publicity got as riled up as it did by all the officials and politicians that were involved with the case.

00:36:24.780 And it took away any chance he had to even say his piece.

00:36:27.580 Wow, it goes on.

00:36:31.200 People, it's worth listening to the whole thing.

00:36:33.080 I mean, if anybody has a right to be bitter, it's that guy.

00:36:37.100 Right.

00:36:37.800 But he's not bitter.

00:36:39.220 He's actually quite lovely and serving time right now, which is dangerous for any cop.

00:36:44.880 Let's go back to what happened in Minneapolis, because it's very relevant to the kind of trial that these guys had to face and where.

00:36:53.580 So, as everyone remembers, all hell broke loose in Minneapolis after this.

00:37:00.980 And you do make the point in the film, and this, to me, was one of the most relevant points.

00:37:04.620 It was an election year.

00:37:06.400 We were months away from President Trump running for re-election.

00:37:11.700 Love him or hate him, one of the most divisive figures in recent memory in America.

00:37:15.920 And having been in this business for a long time, every election year, the Democrats find some white-on-black violence, cop-on-defendant violence, if the defendant's black and the cop is white, or even here, black, and you can ignore it.

00:37:31.980 And they spin it up.

00:37:33.560 I've been around long enough to see them do it.

00:37:35.560 Election cycle after election cycle.

00:37:38.080 They'll ignore the ones that happen in the interim.

00:37:39.680 But if you're anywhere near November, in a big election year, it'll be wallpapered.

00:37:44.440 And this was right on brand.

00:37:48.120 But the problem is, people got hurt.

00:37:51.060 Cops got hurt. 0.96

00:37:52.460 Black Americans got hurt. 1.00

00:37:54.380 I mean, dozens, scores.

00:37:56.480 We're going to get into the numbers when Heather comes on. 1.00

00:37:59.020 And you interview, is it Al Williams, Officer Williams?

00:38:04.600 Yeah.

00:38:04.960 Yeah, Al Williams, who talks about the order that came down while the city was burning.

00:38:12.520 You do such a great job of showing all the fires all over Minneapolis.

00:38:16.460 Listen to this.

00:38:17.120 Sot 6.

00:38:19.400 We were given a play-by-play over the radio.

00:38:22.640 And the only sponsor we would get back is just copy, observe, and report.

00:38:27.260 We watched them loot.

00:38:28.820 We watched them light the Molotov cocktail.

00:38:31.160 And we watched them throw it into the building.

00:38:33.320 They're starting to throw Molotov cocktails.

00:38:36.700 We were ordered not to do anything.

00:38:41.440 And then, I mean, this is so relevant to our audience, and you forget, so much chaos ensued.

00:38:50.400 The third precinct, the fall of the third precinct, the police precinct at the center of this controversy

00:38:58.040 was allowed by the local officials to fall, to burn, to be destroyed.

00:39:04.360 Here's a bit of that from the film.

00:39:06.000 Again, there's much, much more on all of this.

00:39:07.480 You should watch the documentary itself for the full story, thefallofminneapolis.com, to get it.

00:39:14.820 And also on Rumble.

00:39:16.740 I follow Alpha News MN.

00:39:19.160 But watch this, Sot 7.

00:39:20.180 So I get a command over the radio that we need to evacuate the third precinct.

00:39:25.820 Evacuate now.

00:39:26.640 Evacuate now.

00:39:27.560 I said, like, right now?

00:39:30.060 We have to evacuate right now.

00:39:32.700 And they said, yes, immediately.

00:39:35.820 You need to evacuate now.

00:39:37.760 Evacuate, evacuate, evacuate. 0.95

00:39:39.880 Everything was happening so fast, and there was such chaos.

00:39:43.420 You know, the heart's racing right now talking about this.

00:39:45.960 And we run.

00:39:53.100 We run with our belts on and 50-some people and three SWAT teams, and we get to the fence.

00:40:00.240 We can't get out.

00:40:01.160 We got a tunnel.

00:40:01.940 You're sitting thirsty.

00:40:03.040 There was only one way in and one way out, and the way out was locked.

00:40:06.880 12-A-3, they've reached the northwest corner of the front.

00:40:10.520 Northwest corner of the front has been reached.

00:40:12.200 They're coming in.

00:40:12.960 They're coming in the back.

00:40:14.000 We need to move.

00:40:14.680 We need to move.

00:40:15.220 We need to move now.

00:40:16.280 One of the squads rams through the fence to get it open.

00:40:25.640 I remember looking through the rearview mirror as we left.

00:40:31.680 It looked like a zombie movie.

00:40:34.000 They all just rushed to the fence and started climbing the fence, and they caused the fences

00:40:39.580 to collapse, and then they just all rushed to the precinct.

00:40:42.580 But as I got maybe a quarter black away, I realized that not everyone was in vehicles.

00:40:48.540 They were running, basically, for their lives at that point because they just left them basically

00:40:56.440 with no plan of attack or no plan of exit from the precinct.

00:41:01.020 Oh, it's so disturbing, Liz.

00:41:04.000 So why?

00:41:04.560 So why?

00:41:05.440 Why did that happen?

00:41:07.360 You know, I say, Megan, that we had the perfect people in the perfect positions in Minnesota for this to be allowed to play out.

00:41:15.040 Amazingly, many of these politicians were reelected after all of this.

00:41:20.000 But I will say it was impossible not to be affected during these interviews, conducting these interviews over the course of those weeks we did here in Minneapolis.

00:41:29.880 Because even years later, these officers are so affected by what they had to go through, basically served up to this angry mob by their so-called leadership.

00:41:40.700 So that was really, really troubling.

00:41:42.360 I mean, we felt honored that they trusted us to get this story right, but really just it was heartbreaking.

00:41:47.340 I think every single person we interviewed for the film broke down and that, you know, in this business, you know that that doesn't happen all the time.

00:41:57.080 But, you know, the emotion, I think we wanted to portray that as well because Minneapolis lost some of the best of the best police officers through all of this.

00:42:05.760 And you don't really see light at the end of the tunnel.

00:42:08.180 You don't know how the city can recover.

00:42:10.420 And nobody's been held accountable for any of that, for anything that those officers had to go through, basically running, running for their lives from the precinct after they allowed to just surrender it to the mob.

00:42:21.700 You got to if you're not watching this on YouTube, you should go back and check it out on YouTube, because you see the video clips of the people throwing rocks at the police cars, throwing Molotov cocktails at the police cars.

00:42:31.460 And half the cops were on foot running.

00:42:33.660 And the film points out they were denied riot gear.

00:42:37.800 They were in the middle of a war zone and they were told no, no riot gear that, you know, they thought it would be an escalation so you can have a helmet and that's it.

00:42:49.200 And one of the officers you interviewed was saying we went out, a bunch of us would get hurt, we'd go back in, more would come out, hurt, injuries of the cops, back in, sent back out without the proper gear.

00:43:04.520 This is the aftermath here at Precinct 3, which was given up.

00:43:08.200 I was told that this is very insurrection-y, right, like to take over a police precinct and basically set it on fire, absolutely ruin it. 0.92

00:43:16.280 But only if you are, I guess, a Trump supporter in Washington, because otherwise, burn, baby, burn, JC. 0.89

00:43:23.220 You look at this, it's got to make you angry.

00:43:26.060 It's got to make you angry as a former police officer to see what they were allowed to do.

00:43:29.860 Yeah, it does.

00:43:33.180 And then the worst part about it, and I hate to say this, but almost the expected part, is that there's this void of leadership.

00:43:43.140 They're so focused on scapegoating folks, but at what point do you realize, you want to call it the symbolism of a building, that's very cute, Mayor Frey, that's very cute.

00:43:54.020 Good for you and your staff for writing it that way.

00:43:57.120 But think of the message that you've just sent to everyone who lives here.

00:44:01.960 If the police cannot protect themselves, what are they going to do for me?

00:44:08.640 And just think of the vulnerability, the vulnerability that people now have.

00:44:15.040 The police can't protect me, and we are in the middle of a riot while the city is burning.

00:44:20.340 I cannot, I'd like to think I have a great imagination, I can't imagine what that would be like to be a citizen of Minneapolis and see this go on, and then have no one, weeks, months, and now years later, take any accountability for that.

00:44:38.520 It does all those things.

00:44:40.200 It's enraging.

00:44:40.700 Open season on cops, and that Mayor Jacob Frey is a villain.

00:44:45.700 He's a villain, in my opinion.

00:44:47.640 You put him up there.

00:44:48.800 You referenced his soundbite.

00:44:50.400 We have it.

00:44:51.380 It made news when he said it.

00:44:53.120 It remains even bigger news today, Sade.

00:44:55.680 The symbolism of a building cannot outweigh the importance of life, of our officers, or the public.

00:45:10.280 We could not risk serious injury to anyone.

00:45:13.160 What is he talking about?

00:45:16.700 What is he trying?

00:45:18.380 It was, they were permitted, right?

00:45:20.920 They were allowed to ruin it, to burn it, to loot it, to, I mean, why is he acting like, oh, it just kind of happened, and so we did a quick evacuation, and, you know, like they didn't stay and fight for it because they didn't care about the building.

00:45:34.360 That's not how it went down.

00:45:35.520 Yeah, and that's what happened in the days that followed all of this, really in the hours.

00:45:41.580 It was these politicians who didn't care about the truth from the very beginning, even though it was literally right in front of them.

00:45:48.100 This didn't have to happen, as I've said before, and these cops, many of them have been through riots before.

00:45:53.860 This wasn't the first riot to break out in Minneapolis, but it's never been like this, that they are actively told to not do anything.

00:46:00.060 Those were the orders again and again.

00:46:02.280 But instead of politicians standing up and saying, you know, this is the truth, this is what happened, you had them fanning the flames from the very beginning.

00:46:11.300 You know, that was just a day in, day out.

00:46:13.480 And they actually thought, Megan, that if they gave up the precinct that night, that this would stop all of the rioting in Minneapolis.

00:46:21.340 That's what they thought.

00:46:22.820 Of course, we know that that did not happen.

00:46:24.440 It went on well after that, but it's certainly disgusting, even to me now, after, you know, putting this all together.

00:46:31.800 That was hard, sort of sorting through the emotion.

00:46:35.080 You know, this documentary could have been six hours long, to be quite honest.

00:46:38.960 But just how disgusting for somebody to be allowed into your workplace, your home, as these cops called it, and just be allowed to destroy it.

00:46:48.120 But no one stood up for them.

00:46:51.860 The mayor threw him under the bus.

00:46:53.940 The governor threw him under the bus.

00:46:55.840 The chief of police.

00:46:57.280 What happened with him?

00:46:58.520 Why did this guy, we saw it at Chauvin's trial.

00:47:01.620 I mentioned him.

00:47:03.000 It's Arredondo.

00:47:04.720 He's saying, oh, no, we never trained the MRT.

00:47:06.920 So what, was there no one in a supervisory role over the cops to come out and say, hold on?

00:47:18.580 Well, interesting.

00:47:20.200 That's sort of my connection to all of this, with my husband being the police union leader.

00:47:24.960 He came out very early on and just said, keep calm heads.

00:47:28.860 We are going to review the body camera footage, et cetera.

00:47:32.420 And he was vilified for that, if you can believe it, to be patient and let the investigation take its course.

00:47:39.800 So we saw what happened.

00:47:41.660 I mean, I personally, you know, we received death threats in the mail.

00:47:45.180 I lost the position that I held for a dozen years at the station where I worked.

00:47:50.220 And I'm the wife of a cop.

00:47:52.060 I mean, cancel culture came after all law enforcement families, I think, in some way, shape, or form.

00:47:57.440 And Bob quickly, you know, had to sort of keep quiet because of what was happening to our family at that point, sadly.

00:48:05.780 Right.

00:48:06.400 There was only one position to have on this case.

00:48:10.100 And it certainly was not a fair trial or a fair examination of the officer's defense.

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00:49:03.680 So Derek Chauvin and the other cops, the other three cops, all got arrested and charged with various crimes.

00:49:15.720 Derek Chauvin right now is serving 20 years for murder, murder in the second degree.

00:49:19.620 The other cops treated as his accomplices.

00:49:21.780 They're all in jail for three to four years.

00:49:23.660 And the one cop, Tao, he got an extra long sentence because he wasn't apologetic enough.

00:49:29.280 We watched that when the judge sentenced him.

00:49:31.280 I would have expected you to be more contrite.

00:49:33.640 He stood up there and said, I didn't do anything wrong.

00:49:35.340 Oh, here's another year for you.

00:49:36.840 It's unbelievable.

00:49:38.200 So they're all sitting in jail right now.

00:49:41.580 And no one else is getting prosecuted in America, but these four did.

00:49:44.700 And one of Derek Chauvin's, his main arguments on appeal and to get a new trial is he should

00:49:52.500 have been granted a change of venue.

00:49:54.080 He needed a change of venue.

00:49:56.040 He should never have been forced to face a Minneapolis jury.

00:49:59.980 My God, it's so self-evident.

00:50:02.500 It's amazing to me that under these circumstances, no one's entertaining that.

00:50:06.960 I know they're saying, well, everyone in America knew about this different story in the heart

00:50:11.460 of Minneapolis, as you guys do a great job of pointing out.

00:50:15.880 You interview one of his lawyers, not Eric Nelson in this particular clip.

00:50:20.100 It's Bill Mormon talking about what the message was to the jurors coming in and out of that

00:50:26.420 courthouse every day in SOT 12.

00:50:29.400 What kind of message do you think that sent to the jury seeing those scenes outside the

00:50:34.660 courthouse every day?

00:50:35.720 I don't have to speculate on the message the jurors had in their minds.

00:50:43.940 Every juror had a stake in the outcome of that case, because every juror knew that if there

00:50:50.840 was a not guilty finding, there was a less than trivial and actually substantial risk that

00:50:58.180 there would be riots in their community again.

00:51:00.200 It's unbelievable.

00:51:11.260 And honestly, it's that's just what they saw outside the courthouse.

00:51:15.620 You you zoom out, as you do in this film, and you see the fall of Minneapolis dot com.

00:51:22.680 You see the politicians right up to the president of the United States, or at least the man who

00:51:28.560 was about to be president of the United States calling, like calling this case out, taking a

00:51:34.660 position on it.

00:51:35.340 Nancy Pelosi, the then speaker of the House, taking a position before the jury had ever

00:51:39.880 had its say in a court of law.

00:51:43.180 You show it.

00:51:44.300 We're going to show a bit of it here.

00:51:46.340 Take a look at SOT 19.

00:51:49.080 Shavin is in the courtroom, but America's on trial.

00:51:53.120 Thank you, George Floyd, for sacrificing your life for justice.

00:51:59.740 But even Dr. King's assassination did not have the worldwide impact that George Floyd's

00:52:06.800 death did.

00:52:08.060 I mean, you couldn't find more prominent people speaker of the House, the Democratic nominee

00:52:15.820 for president.

00:52:16.400 By the way, Joe Biden seems so much more vibrant just just three years ago in that clip than

00:52:21.120 he does.

00:52:21.420 Now, it's kind of amazing to see.

00:52:24.440 Think of the odds against these cops, these these cops who'd been demonized.

00:52:29.200 You show I'd never seen this in the film.

00:52:31.220 They were throwing dead pigs at the cops outside of the precinct, Liz. 0.70

00:52:39.060 Yeah, it's it's amazing everything that they were were they were basically paraded also

00:52:44.820 these police officers during their court hearings before they decided to to let them access some

00:52:51.260 of the back ways to get into the courthouse.

00:52:53.300 But that was what was happening in the in the early days.

00:52:55.740 They allowed the mob to basically get as close as possible and throw things at them for their

00:53:00.120 court hearings and such.

00:53:01.500 And you also make it have this twenty seven million dollar settlement with George Floyd's

00:53:05.840 family that that is announced during during jury selection for Derek Chauvin's trial.

00:53:11.260 A lot of people don't remember the details of that as well.

00:53:14.300 But we wanted to bring that to light to the images of this courthouse are insane.

00:53:18.640 You know, National Guardsmen standing guard their barbed wire.

00:53:22.680 And remember, the jury wasn't sequestered for Derek Chauvin's trial.

00:53:26.320 So they were paraded in and out each and every day through all of this.

00:53:30.380 So what kind of message?

00:53:31.160 What's the barbed wire for the barbed wire is there in case you reach the wrong decision?

00:53:36.280 Just FYI, if you reach the wrong decision, your city is going to burn like it's never

00:53:42.300 even burned before, including after George Floyd died.

00:53:45.380 So just so you know.

00:53:47.280 And by the way, if that's not clear enough, listen to Maxine Waters and others making

00:53:51.340 perfectly clear what is expected of you.

00:53:54.600 Here is SOT 20.

00:53:56.400 We're looking for a guilty verdict.

00:54:00.400 We're looking for a guilty verdict.

00:54:02.980 What should protesters do?

00:54:04.480 Well, we've got to stay on the street and we've got to get more active.

00:54:09.720 We've got to get more confrontational.

00:54:12.280 We've got to make sure that they know that we mean business.

00:54:16.720 This council is going to dismantle this police department.

00:54:23.720 City counseling.

00:54:24.720 All right.

00:54:25.720 They're telling me to say it again.

00:54:26.720 This council is going to dismantle this police department.

00:54:28.720 Do you believe there is systemic racism in law enforcement?

00:54:32.720 Absolutely.

00:54:33.720 Our commitment is to end our city's toxic relationship with the Minneapolis Police Department.

00:54:38.720 To end policing as we know it.

00:54:45.720 This is this is the part that makes me upset.

00:54:48.720 What human can get a fair trial with that?

00:54:53.720 Well, take Derek Chauvin out of it.

00:54:55.720 Maybe you hate Derek Chauvin.

00:54:56.720 You've made up your mind.

00:54:57.720 You don't forgive him for the eight minutes.

00:54:59.720 Whatever.

00:55:00.720 You don't buy the MRT.

00:55:02.720 You believe in the rule of law.

00:55:04.720 We have to.

00:55:05.720 We had as flawed as it may be in its application.

00:55:07.720 Maybe we've seen it this year.

00:55:10.720 We have to provide criminal defendants against whom the system is stacked.

00:55:15.720 No question.

00:55:16.720 With a fair trial with it with a process that ensures fairness to the best that we are able

00:55:21.720 to provide it.

00:55:22.720 This is exactly the opposite of it.

00:55:24.720 JC, you you you write you talk about in the film.

00:55:27.720 This is why cop after cop.

00:55:30.720 They're out of there that after this.

00:55:32.720 Now, you know what happened to these guys?

00:55:34.720 Who in their right mind would go out on the streets of Minneapolis and make arrest, especially

00:55:39.720 a white cop? 0.98

00:55:40.720 But you could be a black cop, too, as Officer King of a black defendant. 0.99

00:55:44.720 Forget it. 1.00

00:55:45.720 It's insane.

00:55:47.720 Yeah.

00:55:48.720 And amazingly, one of the worst things I've actually had to deal with in working on this

00:55:53.720 documentary just happened a few weeks ago when we finished up.

00:55:57.720 And I was on the on the phone with Derek and he said to me, I just want you and everyone

00:56:02.720 else to know that if I had to go back in time, I would do this all over again.

00:56:09.720 So nobody else would have to even where he is right now.

00:56:17.720 And I have tremendous respect for anyone who could say that.

00:56:21.720 And this is a person who let's let's not even talk about impartiality because that went

00:56:26.720 out the window with all this propaganda.

00:56:28.720 And let's just call these leaders so-called leaders sock puppets.

00:56:31.720 They're great at it.

00:56:33.720 Let's get rid of that for a second because it's not in play.

00:56:37.720 Where's the civility?

00:56:39.720 We have all of this self-righteousness, this political righteousness that's overcome any

00:56:46.720 sense of civility and unreasonable doubt that now has become the most unreasonable thing

00:56:53.720 going.

00:56:54.720 That should really give everyone, everyone, we are against this same system of justice,

00:57:00.720 a moment to pause and say, wait a minute.

00:57:04.720 I don't like what America has become, what the American justice system has become.

00:57:08.720 This isn't us.

00:57:09.720 And very few people are recognizing that.

00:57:11.720 Yes, ma'am.

00:57:12.720 What do you, what do you think he meant by that?

00:57:15.720 That he would, he would do it all over again?

00:57:17.720 Like the behaviors with Floyd or, you know, going to jail?

00:57:21.720 Like, what do you, what did he mean?

00:57:23.720 I think, and I, I asked him up when I, you know, this was, this was tough.

00:57:29.720 I'd love to be the tough guy right now and say, I didn't have a lump in my throat when

00:57:32.720 he said that to me on the other end of the phone calling from prison.

00:57:36.720 What he meant was so that another officer, someone else would not have to suffer this indignity,

00:57:44.720 this tragedy, this being thrown under the bus.

00:57:48.720 He sort of reckoned that, I guess it was my role as an officer to take this.

00:57:54.720 And if that's what it is, then I will take that.

00:57:57.720 So no other officer has to deal with that.

00:57:59.720 And you also have in the film, Alex King speaking to this as well.

00:58:02.720 I asked that question kind of again and again of everyone, what does this say about our justice

00:58:06.720 system in America and why I also say that even if you don't have a connection to law enforcement,

00:58:11.720 this case is so important.

00:58:13.720 If you are a citizen of this country, this is the system we're supposed to believe in.

00:58:18.720 And, you know, it's hard to watch this, this film and believe in it anymore after whatever,

00:58:25.720 what everything that was allowed to transpire.

00:58:27.720 But you have Alex King speaking to that, saying that if there's one thing that people can take

00:58:32.720 away from this case, it's that we can't be so quick to judge.

00:58:35.720 Don't let the mob control, don't let the media manipulate you.

00:58:39.720 We are smarter than this as, as a human race, I think.

00:58:42.720 Absolutely.

00:58:43.720 You know, and question, question these, these things.

00:58:45.720 And that, and that's what the message that, that he seemed to want to share.

00:58:49.720 But you weren't allowed to question anything.

00:58:51.720 You know, you guys weren't here, but I've told the story a few times down the show, just

00:58:55.720 quickly, my fourth grade daughter, then fourth grade daughter was in a Tony New York private

00:59:00.720 school at this time.

00:59:02.720 And the teachers handed out a New Zilla article on Chauvin's case, and he had just been convicted.

00:59:10.720 And the girls read up some facts and they said that the teacher stood up and said, there's 0.86

00:59:15.720 a massive problem in America with police killing black men.

00:59:18.720 And one of the girls raised her hand and said, well, wasn't George Floyd resisting arrest? 0.96

00:59:24.720 And the teacher said, they always blame the victim.

00:59:27.720 And then my daughter said, well, wasn't George Floyd on a lot of drugs?

00:59:31.720 And the teacher said, this conversation is making me uncomfortable and I'm shutting it

00:59:36.720 down right now.

00:59:37.720 Even at the fourth grade level, you were not allowed to talk about the bad facts for the,

00:59:46.720 we all hate Derek Chauvin side.

00:59:48.720 You even when that's the assignment is to discuss the verdict and how they got there.

00:59:54.720 You're just not allowed to discuss anything that the defense offered up because it makes

00:59:58.720 people uncomfortable, makes them feel like maybe they're in the presence of a bigot.

01:00:02.720 That's the whole thing that spun into a race narrative, even though there was no evidence

01:00:07.720 that Derek Chauvin was a racist at all.

01:00:10.720 He just happened to be white. 0.86

01:00:11.720 Floyd happened to be black.

01:00:13.720 That's people forget that this is not a cop spewing expletives or, you know, slurs, nothing

01:00:20.720 like that.

01:00:21.720 Nothing like that came out.

01:00:22.720 It's not a Furman situation where there's like secret tapes of him using the N word.

01:00:27.720 Um, right.

01:00:28.720 So let's spend a minute though on the drugs because the drugs, they're a huge part of it.

01:00:34.720 And we talked about this on our Kelly's court.

01:00:36.720 We do these legal segments.

01:00:37.720 And, um, the fact that one of the DAs who was there at this prosecutor's office for 20

01:00:42.720 years filed a civil suit against her bosses recently for some sort of sex discrimination 0.84

01:00:47.720 case.

01:00:48.720 And while under oath, she said she resigned, first of all, because she refused to prosecute

01:00:54.320 those other three cops.

01:00:55.320 She didn't think it was right.

01:00:56.720 Um, but she said the day of the autopsy, cause he was, Floyd was autopsied by the ME that,

01:01:02.720 you know, the guy sitting working for the city that day.

01:01:04.720 And she went and spoke to him and that he said to her, this looks like a drug death death.

01:01:11.720 He, he did, he was not asphyxiated.

01:01:13.720 He didn't have injuries to his neck.

01:01:15.720 What do you do when the narrative that everybody believes doesn't line up with the actual facts?

01:01:21.720 And then he looked at her and said, this is the kind of case that can end careers.

01:01:26.720 So can you just spend a minute on the fentanyl that was in George Floyd's system and how honestly

01:01:34.720 I look back at these tapes, it explains everything.

01:01:37.720 Right.

01:01:38.720 Yeah.

01:01:39.720 Anytime you have anyone in an altered state and even for someone who's not a police officer,

01:01:46.720 I think you could tell you have an individual, put aside the resisting, put aside the, the

01:01:51.720 not following commands, who's in an altered state.

01:01:55.720 That is not a natural way.

01:01:57.720 Most people go about the day.

01:01:59.720 And if you were allegedly stopped by law enforcement for an alleged crime, you probably would handle

01:02:07.720 that a lot differently.

01:02:08.720 Or most folks would.

01:02:09.720 Hey, I didn't do it.

01:02:10.720 There'd be some back and forth or some trying to honestly get to the bottom of something.

01:02:15.720 Here from the word go, we had all the lies.

01:02:18.720 And then we had this problem with breathing and fentanyl during COVID at the time when this

01:02:26.720 was coming through as well.

01:02:28.720 Most folks didn't realize this on the street that, hey, if you have this mix of COVID with

01:02:35.720 fentanyl, it's not going to go well for your breathing.

01:02:39.720 They realized this in emergency rooms, that the bandwidth for administering that as a remedy

01:02:46.720 seemed very narrow with this type of contagion.

01:02:49.720 But out on the street, your average drug dealers, drug users, et cetera, anyone who's abusing

01:02:53.720 fentanyl didn't know that.

01:02:55.720 Now you combine fentanyl with methamphetamine, sort of the new generation of a speedball.

01:03:02.720 And then you throw in heart conditions.

01:03:05.720 What that's going to do to even someone who's seasoned and used to it, it's not going to

01:03:10.720 work out well.

01:03:12.720 And now you have someone who tests positive for COVID, has taken fentanyl and methamphetamine

01:03:20.720 at the same time, at least one artery that is seven blocked in the middle of exerting oneself

01:03:27.720 fight or flight situation with the police, doesn't want to go back to jail.

01:03:31.720 And we're supposed to believe that had no effect whatsoever on a cause of death.

01:03:40.720 And that's why we wanted to bring out these documents.

01:03:43.720 And again, these documents are public documents, Megan.

01:03:45.720 Right.

01:03:46.720 This is something that was in front of the press the entire time, with three times the

01:03:50.720 lethal limit of fentanyl in George Floyd's system.

01:03:53.720 And also how this narrative by Dr. Baker, the Hennepin County medical examiner seems to

01:03:58.720 change as he's meeting again and again with with with prosecutors.

01:04:02.720 So you can sort of see how this this story is changing in the FBI days.

01:04:07.720 And the FBI is sitting in almost from day one.

01:04:11.720 Right.

01:04:12.720 Which is a level of intimidation.

01:04:13.720 He told his local D.A. with whom he clearly had a relationship.

01:04:17.720 I don't I don't like where this is going.

01:04:20.720 And then when the FBI got in there, it suddenly started to be, well, it's it's nuanced.

01:04:24.720 And ultimately, the cause of death.

01:04:26.720 He talked about how it was like it was he was cardiac arrest, complicating, complicating

01:04:33.720 by it was sort of a weird choice of words.

01:04:37.720 What happened with law enforcement?

01:04:38.720 And it was to me, it just had the stink of manipulation all over it.

01:04:43.720 He was told, get what the cops did to him in here somehow.

01:04:47.720 It's got to be.

01:04:48.720 And, you know, it's so simple.

01:04:50.720 Even a group of fourth grade girls got it on reading one Newzilla article.

01:04:54.720 He resisted arrest and he was on too many drugs.

01:04:58.720 They got it like that.

01:05:00.720 You know why?

01:05:01.720 Because they haven't been watching all the media spin and the manipulation and Maxine

01:05:05.720 Waters and Joe Biden out there.

01:05:07.720 They just read the facts and said, gee, it's pretty clear he had 11.

01:05:12.720 What was it nanograms?

01:05:13.720 I don't know what the unit is.

01:05:14.720 And geez, a fentanyl in him.

01:05:16.720 And three nanograms will kill your average person. 0.85

01:05:20.720 He was bigger.

01:05:21.720 He was a user, but still 11.

01:05:25.720 And then he chose to resist, which shoots the adrenaline up.

01:05:29.720 And he had a cardiac position condition and he had lungs that were two or three size times

01:05:33.720 the size of a normal.

01:05:35.720 It's so many issues.

01:05:36.720 And yet we heard Al Sharpton and this is in the documentary.

01:05:40.720 He was healthy.

01:05:41.720 He was healthy.

01:05:42.720 He was healthy.

01:05:43.720 The cops killed a healthy man.

01:05:46.720 Then the the Floyd family brought in Dr. 0.80

01:05:51.720 Michael Bodden, who I loved when I was on Fox, but this was half assed to put it mildly

01:05:56.720 as their new forensic pathologist to give his take on how he died.

01:06:01.720 Not to mention Benjamin Crump, who's the new Al Sharpton, the lawyer who exploits all of

01:06:06.720 these cases.

01:06:07.720 And here's a bit of those two in SOT 10.

01:06:10.720 George Floyd was a healthy young man.

01:06:16.720 Sure.

01:06:17.720 The autopsy shows that Mr. Floyd had no underlying medical problem that caused or contributed

01:06:31.720 to his death.

01:06:32.720 First of all, it's just donning me.

01:06:34.720 I mean, now, did Dr.

01:06:36.120 Biden speak at the funeral?

01:06:37.720 No, this is a press conference that is.

01:06:41.720 And it's also interesting timing wise to Megan, because, again, you have the the 0.95

01:06:46.620 autopsy on George Floyd conducted within 12 hours of his death.

01:06:50.620 But there is a reason that was withheld from the public for so long, basically timed at

01:06:55.620 the same time that this announcement comes from the so-called independent autopsy review

01:07:01.620 that George Floyd's family paid for.

01:07:04.620 And you saw the media push that autopsy, you know, from the beginning.

01:07:09.620 And and first of all, there's zero chance George Floyd's family actually paid for that.

01:07:14.620 Somebody swooped in some activist swooped in and paid for Dr. 1.00

01:07:18.620 Bodden. Not not anybody can afford Dr.

01:07:20.620 Bodden and Dr.

01:07:21.620 Bodden, who's been an expert in many, many trials, is a hired gun.

01:07:25.620 And he didn't review the toxicology.

01:07:29.620 He didn't he didn't get to examine the body.

01:07:32.620 He went off of whatever was provided to him.

01:07:34.620 Isn't that right?

01:07:36.620 Yeah, basically the Facebook video and you even see the caveat where they say, well, we

01:07:41.620 understand that a review of the toxicology report that further investigation is necessary

01:07:48.620 for our autopsy report, they say.

01:07:52.620 And I'm not sure how you can even do that by conveniently excluding a toxicology report.

01:07:58.620 I don't even know how that that's even possible.

01:08:01.620 And the Emmy who did do the examination, this Dr. 0.98

01:08:04.620 Baker said he did not die of asphyxiation.

01:08:07.620 He wasn't strangled.

01:08:08.620 He didn't have his air supply cut off.

01:08:10.620 And there are no injuries on his neck.

01:08:13.620 Of course, we we know why the knee was on the shoulder blade.

01:08:17.620 There wasn't an injury to George Floyd's neck.

01:08:20.620 And the I can't breathe narrative had started long before cops had him on the ground.

01:08:26.620 The documentary does a great job of laying all this out.

01:08:29.620 So and by the way, you do you point out the documentary.

01:08:32.620 George Floyd lied about being sober at the moment.

01:08:37.620 They they said, are you on something?

01:08:39.620 And not only do we know he was on something from the toxicology, you you do a close up of

01:08:44.620 the pills in his mouth while he's getting pulled out of the car.

01:08:50.620 It's amazing.

01:08:51.620 I hadn't seen that before.

01:08:52.620 And it matters.

01:08:53.620 You do a good job.

01:08:54.620 Like explain, Liz, why did it matter that George Floyd did not tell the cops?

01:09:00.620 Yeah, I might have taken something.

01:09:03.620 They would have been able to to get him medical help there sooner.

01:09:08.620 They would have made that made that call sooner.

01:09:10.620 And they act and they ask repeatedly several times.

01:09:13.620 And and he says he says, no, not only about what's in his mouth, but they recover pills

01:09:19.620 with his saliva, you know, from the very vehicle that that he's in.

01:09:23.620 And that that took months to even go back and search that that car, which is another interesting

01:09:29.620 twist.

01:09:30.620 We talk about more more in the book that is, you know, that this movie is based on.

01:09:35.620 But yes, there were certainly so many things that we were not allowed to see.

01:09:40.620 So what where are we today?

01:09:44.620 I outlined a few of the consequences of all of this at the top of the show.

01:09:48.620 But how is Minneapolis doing?

01:09:51.620 How how is the police force there doing?

01:09:54.620 We followed in twenty twenty one.

01:09:55.620 Twenty one.

01:09:56.620 They did defund the police in Minneapolis and then they refunded the police about within

01:09:59.620 a year because they saw exactly what that would get them, which is more death, more crime,

01:10:04.620 more chaos.

01:10:05.620 So for all their sweeping rhetoric, they came to realize the hard way you need police in

01:10:11.620 Minneapolis and everywhere.

01:10:12.620 But so how are things today?

01:10:14.620 Well, there's a reason we call the film the fall of Minneapolis, because it is unrecognizable

01:10:20.620 in in so many ways.

01:10:22.620 You have a police force down three hundred and eighty police officers from where it was at

01:10:26.620 the beginning of May of twenty twenty and skyrocketing crime.

01:10:31.620 Carjackings in Minneapolis, for example, they weren't even tracked before all of this.

01:10:35.620 There may be a dozen or so every year.

01:10:39.620 Well, there's hundreds now every year.

01:10:42.620 Homicide numbers almost doubled in the wake of wake of all this.

01:10:46.620 We go into the film quite a bit.

01:10:47.620 But but I think, you know, this what happened in Minneapolis kind of traveled, obviously,

01:10:52.620 the match was lit here in Minneapolis and spread all across the country.

01:10:55.620 So I think numbers are very similar in many of these cities across the country.

01:11:01.620 But many people don't go into Minneapolis anymore.

01:11:03.620 It was a place before people felt safe to shop downtown restaurants.

01:11:07.620 Minneapolis has lost thousands of businesses in the wake of all this, because people simply

01:11:12.620 do not feel safe.

01:11:15.620 Hmm.

01:11:16.620 JC, you you've spoken with Derek Chauvin.

01:11:18.620 How how is he doing?

01:11:21.620 I would say that the conversations I had with him about a year ago were were painful.

01:11:30.620 It's painful to listen to.

01:11:33.620 And now it seems like he's at least becoming more aware of himself and realized that a lot

01:11:43.620 of things went on that he thought happened, but didn't in his case, and that a lot of things

01:11:50.620 that he thought didn't happen actually did.

01:11:53.620 And I think he went through a good three or four month period of just utter disbelief.

01:11:58.620 He couldn't understand why his defense attorney didn't file a particular motion or didn't ask

01:12:04.620 for a particular witness.

01:12:06.620 So if you can imagine after spending a year in solitary, what that alone can do to you.

01:12:11.620 And then you come out and realize everything in my trial didn't happen as I thought it did.

01:12:16.620 The disbelief that that can put on someone.

01:12:21.620 I think now he's starting to realize the situation.

01:12:24.620 He's more aware of it.

01:12:25.620 And it's good to see him sticking up for himself and taking action.

01:12:30.620 And also the federal government limited his opportunities for appeal.

01:12:36.620 The only thing he can appeal is if there's something called ineffective assistance of counsel.

01:12:43.620 That is the only basis he has left, unlike other people who can explore other motions.

01:12:48.620 He cannot.

01:12:50.620 So it's better now.

01:12:53.620 He's I'm not going to say making jokes.

01:12:56.620 He's not that type of a creative person, but he is at least aware and taking action and trying

01:13:01.620 to do things for himself in his situation.

01:13:04.620 And even more telling, he's become a lot more concerned for his family and his friends.

01:13:10.620 I'm sure he is suffering from some PTSD of his own.

01:13:15.620 There's just no question.

01:13:17.620 They probably all are in the Minneapolis Police Department writ large, never mind those four.

01:13:23.620 So, I mean, his wife left him.

01:13:26.620 Remember, there was like a lot happened.

01:13:28.620 Can I just ask you, is he in gen pop now?

01:13:30.620 He's not.

01:13:31.620 Is he?

01:13:32.620 It just doesn't seem safe.

01:13:33.620 Uh, he is not receiving any other protective, you know, treatment or anything like that.

01:13:40.620 He's, he's basically, if you will, in the gen genual population. 0.79

01:13:44.620 Yeah.

01:13:45.620 Wow.

01:13:46.620 Gosh.

01:13:47.620 And there for 20 years, unless, you know, he gets the needle in the haystack, haystack

01:13:54.620 acceptance of his case from the Supreme Court.

01:13:56.620 You too.

01:13:57.620 Thank you.

01:13:58.620 Thank you so much.

01:13:59.620 Thanks to your husband for his service.

01:14:00.620 And JC, thank you for yours, Liz.

01:14:02.620 Nice to meet you both.

01:14:03.620 Thank you, Megan.

01:14:05.620 Thank you.

01:14:06.620 Reminder, you can stream the documentary starting tomorrow, The Fall of Minneapolis.

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01:15:50.620 They failed when they gave up that precinct.

01:16:00.620 Our department still hasn't recovered from that.

01:16:02.620 And it's three years later.

01:16:04.620 Overall crime is way up.

01:16:16.620 Give me the keys.

01:16:17.620 Give me the money, everything.

01:16:18.620 Keys, everything.

01:16:19.620 Everything.

01:16:20.620 Everything.

01:16:21.620 Everything.

01:16:22.620 All right.

01:16:23.620 How they ignore that or don't pay attention to that is beyond me.

01:16:28.620 It's just another example of why we're in this situation we're in now.

01:16:45.620 Can you even keep up?

01:16:47.620 No.

01:16:48.620 No.

01:16:49.620 Hmm.

01:16:50.620 Another clip from the fall of Minneapolis talking about the fallout to the city from what

01:16:56.620 they did to the police.

01:16:57.620 Yes.

01:16:58.620 Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly show.

01:17:00.620 Now we turn to one of our favorites, really, truly one of the most brilliant people in America

01:17:03.620 and beyond, who has written so brilliantly about the George Floyd case right from the

01:17:07.620 beginning, which took real guts.

01:17:10.620 Heather McDonald is a fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of fantastic books like

01:17:15.620 When Race Trumps Merit and The War on Cops.

01:17:19.620 Heather, welcome back.

01:17:20.620 Great to have you.

01:17:21.620 It's an honor, Megyn.

01:17:22.620 Thank you for having me.

01:17:23.620 You got me through the post George Floyd period because I was looking around thinking

01:17:28.620 all this stuff they're saying about cops.

01:17:30.620 I know it's not true.

01:17:31.620 My brother's a cop.

01:17:32.620 He was a lieutenant in the Albany police force, served honorably for many years.

01:17:36.620 He retired now.

01:17:37.620 I know it's not true, but I don't have the stats in front of me.

01:17:40.620 I don't have the words.

01:17:41.620 I don't have the in-depth knowledge to articulate it.

01:17:44.620 And then I started reading some of your pieces, which were written at the time during this

01:17:49.620 when everybody was caving and going along with the narrative, as we just outlined in

01:17:53.620 covering this new documentary.

01:17:54.620 There was Heather McDonald, who really is like, I don't care what you say about me.

01:17:58.620 I'm just going to stick with truth.

01:18:00.620 And you can believe me or not believe me.

01:18:02.620 But here are the cold, hard facts.

01:18:04.620 And by the way, for the audience at home, I've talked about this.

01:18:07.620 That time when some 400 Wall Street Journal employees, Wall Street Journal said,

01:18:12.620 said, we're going to walk off the job.

01:18:14.620 We're so upset about certain editorials that you're running.

01:18:16.620 Heather McDonald was at the center.

01:18:17.620 They didn't like what Heather McDonald was saying.

01:18:19.620 They didn't like her facts.

01:18:21.620 And to its credit, the Wall Street Journal said, take care.

01:18:23.620 Bye.

01:18:24.620 Off you go.

01:18:25.620 We're not getting rid of Heather or any other diverse views.

01:18:27.620 And if you don't like it, you can go work someplace else.

01:18:30.620 So you're not surprised one bit to see that clip I used to bump into you of what's happened

01:18:37.620 in Minneapolis once they have lost, as that tick, tick, tick, tick, tick was showing us

01:18:42.620 some almost 400 cops.

01:18:44.620 They went from 892 to 513 police there.

01:18:47.620 It's happened in city after city after city.

01:18:51.620 Well, crime went up and the George Floyd year of the of the George Floyd race riots,

01:18:56.620 homicides went up 29 percent, which was the largest increase in history in this country.

01:19:01.620 Last year, violent victimizations were up 75 percent, which is the most in 30 years.

01:19:08.620 That's according to the National Criminal Victimization Survey.

01:19:11.620 We have unleashed anarchy upon American cities, Megan.

01:19:16.620 We have seen the videos of the lootings.

01:19:19.620 We've seen the videos of the beatings.

01:19:21.620 We've seen the videos of the shopliftings.

01:19:23.620 And yet America continues turning its eyes away from the inner city dysfunction that is leading

01:19:30.620 to this and to the absolute demoralization of the cops.

01:19:35.620 This this documentary is very important because America does have a tendency to want to forget.

01:19:42.620 And the footage of the arrest, which I'd never seen before, the minutes, the agonizing minutes

01:19:48.620 when this went on is extraordinarily depressing to see George Floyd, who is the embodiment of inner city pathologies.

01:19:56.620 And then to see the the arson, the firebombing, the grotesque, self-interested, narcissistic entitled looting that spread across the land.

01:20:09.620 We cannot let this be forgotten because it shows what happens when you demonize the cops based on a completely phony narrative.

01:20:18.620 Here's here's another statistic, Megan.

01:20:20.620 A police officer is 400 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male is to be killed by a cop.

01:20:29.620 So if as we hear from the libertarians all the time, like Radley Balco, who says, oh, all this belly aching about how dangerous it is to do felony car stops, this is really a safe, safe profession. 0.79

01:20:41.620 Well, if it's so safe to be a cop, then being a black male and unarmed black male vis a vis police officers is 400 times safer. 0.87

01:20:51.620 So the whole Black Lives Matter narrative that our president, Joe Biden, constantly reinforces is a 100 percent falsehood.

01:21:01.620 And it's tentacles. 0.98

01:21:03.620 The tentacles of that movement are getting people killed every day, largely in black communities where crime is running rampant. 0.99

01:21:10.620 No one seems to care.

01:21:11.620 But in the entire United States, there was a case just yesterday or this week that I saw involving a girl named Jillian Ludwig.

01:21:19.620 This is horrific.

01:21:20.620 Jillian Ludwig was a university student.

01:21:24.620 She was at Belmont and she was shot two blocks from campus running in the middle of the afternoon in a park.

01:21:33.620 The defendant is a man named Shaquille Taylor.

01:21:36.620 She's white.

01:21:37.620 He's black.

01:21:38.620 He was in jail earlier this year. 0.86

01:21:40.620 The D.A.'s office said three doctors deemed him mentally incompetent to stand trial, meaning he could not be prosecuted.

01:21:47.620 Guess what they did?

01:21:48.620 They let him go.

01:21:49.620 They sent him right back out onto the streets without a care for safety.

01:21:54.620 This is in one of those jurisdictions with a Soros funded D.A. who has zero appetite for prosecuting crime, in particular crime committed by young men who happen to be black. 0.97

01:22:05.620 Well, the entirety of what's going on, the travesty that is our criminal justice system today nationally in city after city with these progressive prosecutors declaring off limits entire categories of crime like shoplifting or fair beating or most preposterously and dangerously resisting arrest.

01:22:26.620 It cannot be understood unless you understand disparate impact. 0.88

01:22:32.620 Avoiding disparate impact on black criminals. 0.99

01:22:34.620 Avoiding disparate impact on black criminals. 0.98

01:22:35.620 That is the only reason why we have police chiefs telling their cops don't make car stops. 0.81

01:22:41.620 Don't stop for for petty theft.

01:22:44.620 It's why prosecutors are prosecuting.

01:22:45.620 It's why judges are letting people back on the street. 0.95

01:22:48.620 But the fact of the matter is you cannot enforce the law in a colorblind constitutional matter without having a disparate impact on black criminals because the crime rates are so high. 0.84

01:22:59.620 Because we have more blacks in prison does not mean we're a racist criminal justice system.

01:23:04.620 It means that the inner city culture is right now in a very, very bad state.

01:23:11.620 Boys are not being socialized.

01:23:14.620 They are engaging in these barbaric drive by shootings that are taking dozens of young black children's lives, none of whom have ever once been commemorated by Al Sharpton or Benjamin Crump.

01:23:29.620 Never once.

01:23:30.620 Never once, as a Black Lives Matter activist said, say their names.

01:23:33.620 Instead, this is another tragedy of our period of our time, Megan.

01:23:38.620 Our civil rights heroes now are today thugs like George Floyd.

01:23:44.620 I'm not going to mince my words because you don't either. 0.75

01:23:47.620 He was a thug. 1.00

01:23:48.620 He beat up women. 1.00

01:23:49.620 He was a drug dealer, had a long felony record. 0.72

01:23:53.620 He's now our civil rights hero.

01:23:55.620 That's very tragic.

01:23:56.620 It's a very, very far distance from the noble civil rights warriors who sat in patiently, passively, nonviolently, wearing suits, wearing ties to bring this nation up to its highest ideals.

01:24:13.620 And now we have our activists pulling down any standard that has a disparate impact on blacks.

01:24:19.620 And that is a recipe not just for the loss of black lives, but for the loss of an entire civilization. 1.00

01:24:26.620 I was telling the story of what happened with my daughter in the fourth grade when they tried to speak truth about what happened with George Floyd raising some of these issues, got shut down.

01:24:36.620 Roland Fryer, Harvard, the worst case of this is a black man, a scholar who took an honest look at police involved shootings involving black men and didn't come up with the right narrative, Heather. 0.55

01:24:50.620 And they've ruined his career. 0.63

01:24:54.620 Well, Derek Chauvin is a martyr to white obsession with blaming themselves. 0.54

01:25:01.620 I mean, we have this narrative that says the biggest problem in this country is white supremacy. 0.89

01:25:06.620 You have the FBI saying the biggest violence problem is white supremacy. 0.57

01:25:10.620 Are you kidding me? 0.81

01:25:12.620 Black juveniles in the post Floyd era are shot at 100 times the rate of white juveniles because they're being shot by other blacks at 100 times the rate at least of what white juveniles engage in in gun violence.

01:25:30.620 Blacks die of gun homicide between the ages of 10 and 24 at 24 times the rate of whites in that age cohort. 0.98

01:25:38.620 All of this is because of black crime. 1.00

01:25:41.620 And yet we're supposed to pretend that the problem is whites and elite whites go along with it. 0.97

01:25:46.620 You know, the crime that you mentioned of this young girl, the reason we're not talking about it, the reason that's not on the air is because it's the usual black on white crime. 0.59

01:25:56.620 That is the reality of interracial violence today, Megan.

01:26:01.620 Blacks commit 87 percent of all interracial violence between blacks and whites and whites and blacks. 0.98

01:26:07.620 A black is 35 times more likely to commit a violent crime against a white than vice versa. 1.00

01:26:14.620 And yet we are engaged in this massive suicidal falsehood which says that whites are the problem. 0.99

01:26:22.620 We are not the problem today. 0.97

01:26:25.620 Black privilege is the reality, not white privilege. 0.70

01:26:28.620 We were a white supremacist country.

01:26:30.620 We're not that reality today. 0.86

01:26:31.620 But if we continue demonizing cops and demonizing law enforcement, yes, we're going to lose black lives at astronomical rates.

01:26:40.620 But this is spreading everywhere. 0.95

01:26:42.620 When when white conservatives stop caring about black lives, nobody's going to care. 0.99

01:26:47.620 The only people who ever talk about black victims is you. 0.98

01:26:52.620 You know, maybe the Daily Wire people, Fox News, The New York Post. 0.99

01:26:56.620 The New York Times doesn't give a damn. 0.97

01:26:58.620 It seems like it's only white conservatives who care. 0.90

01:27:02.620 Instead, you have people like the mayor of Chicago, Brandon Johnson, who sadly was elected by the south side of Chicago, by the west side of Chicago, who promised he was one of the sort of early philosophy of defunding.

01:27:18.620 Whether he used the actual words, I don't know, but he made clear that he thought that the police were the problem and the solution was more resources and that these kids that were marauding on the magnificent mile.

01:27:30.620 Well, they had a loss of opportunity when, in fact, they all have smartphones.

01:27:34.620 You know, a kid that has a smartphone is not a deprived kid, as far as I'm concerned.

01:27:39.620 And all of these kids that are engaged in this mass looting, they're all they're all videoing themselves on their smartphones.

01:27:45.620 This is not a lack of opportunity.

01:27:47.620 It's a lack of socialization.

01:27:49.620 It's a lack of decent schooling that that generates discipline and self-control and does not excuse pathological behavior.

01:27:58.620 And we're doing nothing to remedy that.

01:28:02.620 People like Roland Fryer were trying to call attention to it, but no, he's been silenced.

01:28:06.620 They drummed up some fake me to, you know, minuscule allegations against him and blew it into this mountainous thing to stop his research.

01:28:14.620 I mean, we did a whole story on this documentary that was done about him where the the young research assistant, if memory service was also a minority, looked at him and said, I don't want to tell you the answer that we came up with.

01:28:25.620 And he was like, well, what is it?

01:28:26.620 And the answer is there's not a disparate like the cops are not disproportionately killing black defendants like we're just not seeing it or shooting.

01:28:33.620 And you put numbers on that.

01:28:35.620 You had a piece that was in I think was in the journal.

01:28:38.100 Yeah, it was right after George Floyd and pointed out there are three hundred and seventy five million annual contacts that the cops have with civilians.

01:28:50.620 And if you look at the Washington Post list of how many unarmed black men are shot by cops each year, it's in the single digits out of three hundred and seventy five million.

01:29:06.620 And out of ten over ten thousand million homicide deaths, dozens of blacks are killed every single day.

01:29:14.620 That's more than all white and Hispanic homicide victims combined, even though blacks are only 13 percent of the population. 0.95

01:29:22.620 Again, we don't talk about that because we have this extraordinary discomfort with the with black pathologies. 1.00

01:29:30.620 And it's not just blacks, of course, the white underclasses is moving up fast and its drug use and its its family breakdown. 0.98

01:29:37.620 The one thing that blacks still have a monopoly on. I'm going to be very blunt here, Megan, is drive by shootings by and large. 1.00

01:29:44.620 You know, in New York City, blacks and Hispanics commit virtually 100 percent of all shootings. 1.00

01:29:50.620 Whites are 34 percent of the population. 0.99

01:29:53.620 They commit about one percent at most of drive by shootings. 0.69

01:29:57.620 And I, you know, I think that number is, frankly, a little suspect.

01:30:01.620 But but, you know, all of these things are very predictable when when you have a culture where young boys are not expected to cultivate the bourgeois habits to make themselves decent mates and husbands,

01:30:14.620 and husbands where it's accepted to go around serially impregnating females and walking away and and family rearing is is child rearing is utterly chaotic.

01:30:24.620 It's sort of an afterthought. And that's happening now in the white underclass as well.

01:30:29.620 That's a civilization of catastrophe.

01:30:32.620 It's tragic that kids are being brought up in these situations, but it's certainly not surprising that they now are completely antisocial and think that they are entitled to steal wantonly.

01:30:47.620 You know, I don't know how much longer we're going to put up with this, but as I say, there is something profoundly weird about Western civilization right now.

01:30:57.620 Now, Megan, that seems to be on this death cult that it wants to destroy the standards, the norms, the merit, the excellence, the the striving for excellence that gave us a civilization that has freed all of humanity from the usual squalor and deprivation and disease and early mortality that everybody has benefited from.

01:31:25.620 And now we're declaring medicine racist. We're declaring science racist.

01:31:29.620 We're saying that doctors should be hired, should be admitted to medical school and promoted because they're black, not because they're competent. 1.00

01:31:37.620 This is happening in every science field. We have this belated, but at this point, way, way exaggerated guilt for our history of slavery that is no longer merited.

01:31:50.620 And the West was the was the civilization that ended slavery.

01:31:54.620 Britain had to occupy Lagos in order to get it to end its involvement in the slave trade.

01:32:01.620 It had to blockade the coast of Africa to get it to end its involvement in slave trade.

01:32:07.620 And everybody, other civilizations were saying, no, we want to continue with chattel slavery. 0.75

01:32:13.620 At this point, the West has nothing to apologize for. And yet it is bent on a mission of self-destruction.

01:32:20.520 Yeah. And it's working. And it's not just these, you know, underclass privilege or lacking privilege, blacks or whites.

01:32:28.980 It's college students, as you and I have discussed, who are completely clueless about it, are just leaning into the disparate impact thing.

01:32:35.120 Or as we saw in this one clip the other day, the generational trauma that comes with just having been born, quote, indigenous or black, what have you.

01:32:43.080 And like she's been with the facts about the cops, Heather's not afraid to go into these college campuses and take on these zealots. 0.99

01:32:53.220 I loved it. Somebody I don't know if it's you, but somebody tweeted out just a highlight of you at Berkeley recently.

01:32:58.600 And they said, oh, it's really worth watching the whole clip. So, of course, since I'm your huge fan, I went, I watched the whole thing.

01:33:03.820 I watched the whole hour of you at Berkeley. And gosh, you you're just totally fearless because, of course, these college students got up there and were all over you.

01:33:12.920 And you were like, boom, boom, boom. We have just a little bit of it because, yeah, because we love you.

01:33:18.560 We played it, played it already, but I'm going to play it right now. It's not 24.

01:33:22.640 I just want to tell you right now that your book is racist. Your arguments are racist. 0.93

01:33:27.340 They are based in eugenics. They are based in ideas that black people and brown people can never compete with white and Asian counterparts. 0.99

01:33:34.840 Why should we take any of this seriously when it seems that nothing else that you want to do is just pedal, pedal, racist drivels? 0.76

01:33:41.060 Well, if I believe that blacks can never compete, I would say, yeah, we've got to lower standards because that's the only hope for getting diverse institutions. 1.00

01:33:49.080 In fact, I believe that if we held single standards and had high expectations that blacks would compete. 1.00

01:33:57.040 As to your misreading from my book, that was simply an empirical observation about the current situation in a regime of ubiquitous racial preferences.

01:34:07.480 So you can admit black students with a standard deviation below SAT grades into college, the gap does not close by the end of college. 0.90

01:34:17.340 Let me just give you the data that explains why you can have diversity or you can have meritocracy, you can't have both.

01:34:25.940 66% of black 12th graders do not possess partial mastery of basic math skills defined as doing arithmetic or being able to read a graph.

01:34:34.480 66%, 66%, the number who are advanced in 12th grade math is too small to show up statistically on a national sample.

01:34:43.400 That is the reality.

01:34:45.160 That is why we do not have racially proportionate institutions.

01:34:50.540 You said, how could we possibly be in an institution that's racist?

01:34:54.440 Sweetheart, the name of the school represents that.

01:34:59.180 They just changed it like 10 minutes ago.

01:35:01.200 There was a time that most of the people standing in this room would never be allowed on this campus.

01:35:06.280 And I'm telling you that we didn't get here by wanting it.

01:35:09.280 We worked hard.

01:35:10.280 So for me to be here at this school that I pay to go to, that I worked hard to get into, 0.98

01:35:14.000 and to listen to you say blacks this, blacks that, and welfare mothers and all this other extra bullshit saying that Asian students always, 0.98

01:35:21.800 like all the things you're saying I think can be solved by education. 0.99

01:35:25.440 And I encourage you to get yourself educated.

01:35:29.280 Did you get yourself educated after that, Heather?

01:35:31.540 You know, I said at the beginning that it was depressing to see the Floyd arrest video.

01:35:39.380 And this was as depressing but also obviously laughable because it's very depressing to see these black students who are the most privileged individuals in human history

01:35:49.960 because they have at their fingertips the thing that Faust sold his soul for, which is knowledge.

01:35:54.540 And in fact, they're surrounded by the most well-meaning adults.

01:35:57.420 Think of themselves as victims.

01:35:59.120 It's absolutely preposterous.

01:36:01.440 We know that Berkeley, we know that the majority of them have been admitted to racial preferences, by racial preferences.

01:36:06.700 Why?

01:36:07.500 Because Berkeley tells us that without racial preferences, it's not going to be able to get its critical mass of black students.

01:36:13.140 So, so much does Berkeley want its black students, this is the law school, that it is admitting them with a standard deviation below in academic skills. 0.97

01:36:24.000 And yet they're going around claiming that they are victimized by racism at the Berkeley Law School. 0.61

01:36:30.820 It's utterly preposterous.

01:36:33.300 And yet they are being cultivated to think this way by the entire diversity, equity, and inclusion bureaucracy, by presidents, by deans.

01:36:41.660 This is, you know, this moment, it's very good that the Minneapolis documentary is coming, the fall of Minneapolis documentary is coming out now

01:36:50.460 because the intersectional coalition that is being exposed by these pro-Hamas demonstrations that will probably become riots

01:36:59.600 if Israel continues its ground campaign, it just shows us the poison that the academy is spewing into the world. 0.98

01:37:10.880 It is a poison based on lies, it is a poison based on hatred, and it is taking everything down, our standards, our public safety.

01:37:20.880 We should demand public safety.

01:37:23.160 It is not some white hang-up to think that you should be able to go around cities without worrying about getting pushed into subway tracks,

01:37:31.360 or mugged, or robbed, or having your car jacked when you're filling your tank.

01:37:35.800 These are normal expectations, and yet now we're told that it's somehow racist to expect public safety and to expect the police to protect property and protect lives.

01:37:45.700 So well said. Love to see you, Heather. Thank you so much for your courage, your voice, and for being here.

01:37:53.860 My pleasure. Thank you so much, Megan.

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The Megyn Kelly Show - November 15, 2023

False George Floyd Narratives Exposed in New Film, and How It Changed Policing, with Liz Collin, JC Chaix, and Heather Mac Donald ｜ Ep. 670

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