The Megyn Kelly Show - Fani Willis Trump Case Done, COVID Bombshell, and Attacker Caught, with Chamath Palihapitiya, Dave Aronberg, Phil Holloway, and NYU Students ｜ Ep. 1205

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00:01:00.780 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at New East.

00:01:12.480 Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly.

00:01:14.160 Welcome to The Megyn Kelly Show.

00:01:15.520 Coming up today, an exclusive interview with a family friend who was assaulted in New York City.

00:01:21.720 Two young women who were assaulted, actually.

00:01:25.120 And amazingly, there is a happy ending to this story, thanks to the power of social media and X and all of you.

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00:01:34.880 Plus a Kelly's court on Luigi Mangione January 6th and those pipe bombs and more.

00:01:40.000 But we begin today with some political news.

00:01:42.500 The Republican, who was running for the seat in Tennessee, being vacated by a Republican, did manage to pull it out in the special election yesterday in Tennessee.

00:01:53.840 But it was close.

00:01:55.300 It was closer than the Republicans would have liked.

00:01:58.020 Last count I saw in the New York Times was around nine points between the GOP candidate and the weird Democrat who cried outside of the governor's office.

00:02:07.300 Because it should have been 22 points.

00:02:10.380 That's what Trump won that district by.

00:02:13.600 And it's a solidly red district.

00:02:16.140 So why are the Republicans only winning it by nine points?

00:02:19.300 Especially since the Democrat candidate was a complete loon.

00:02:23.440 That's a problem.

00:02:24.880 I mean, the Republicans can just pretend that they don't have any problems.

00:02:27.240 That's fine.

00:02:27.660 You can do that.

00:02:28.380 If you want to sit here for the next 11 months and say, this is all your haters.

00:02:32.880 Okay.

00:02:33.820 We'll see how that turns out for you in November.

00:02:35.480 Or you could actually get honest about why you're having these problems and change some things and then possibly win the midterm elections.

00:02:44.420 It's not a foregone conclusion that you're going to lose.

00:02:46.920 Look what Joe Biden did.

00:02:48.600 You know, he—yes, the Republicans took—they did okay, but there was no big red wave.

00:02:54.220 Remember that a couple years ago?

00:02:56.340 You could limit the losses.

00:02:58.360 Will they try?

00:02:59.380 Will they try to figure it out, what's causing this?

00:03:03.700 We'll talk about it.

00:03:05.380 Joining me now on this and much, much more is Chamath Palihapitiya.

00:03:10.140 He is a co-host of the All In podcast and CEO of Social Capital.

00:03:16.000 Chamath, welcome back.

00:03:17.460 Hi, Megan.

00:03:17.900 How are you?

00:03:18.940 Great to see you.

00:03:20.120 Great to see you.

00:03:21.120 Let's start there because, you know, our mutual friend, your close friend, David Sachs, is in the administration.

00:03:26.040 I know a lot of folks in the administration, and this thing in Tennessee is a bit of a rattler.

00:03:33.700 Trump won it by 22.

00:03:34.960 They only won it last night by 10.

00:03:37.060 The Democrat is a nutcase.

00:03:39.200 Excuse me.

00:03:41.940 Yes, they put a bunch of money into the race, the Dems, but so do the Republicans.

00:03:45.620 So what's happening here?

00:03:46.680 Like, if you actually got the audience with Trump and he said, what should I do to make sure it's not a bloodbath for Republicans in November, what would you tell him?

00:03:57.660 I think the plan is actually pretty straightforward to diagnose, but it's complicated to fix.

00:04:05.660 So just to set some context, when I was at the White House, I think it was two or three weeks ago, I saw some data that had been vetted and that was about to be shared with the president.

00:04:17.820 Now I think it's been widely shared, which is that under Joe Biden, I think that the average American family lost about $3,000 of purchasing power.

00:04:30.320 And the reason they lost that was in large part because of inflation and runaway costs and, you know, the cost of practical, useful things that they need for their life, electricity, health care, and child care.

00:04:46.760 So the Trump administration starts from a $3,000 hole.

00:04:51.540 Now, what they've been able to do in 11 months is that they've earned back $1,000, which is a third of where they are.

00:04:59.240 I think the problem, though, is that they will need to find the other $2,000, and it's not their fault because, again, they inherit where they started from.

00:05:12.520 But I think the perception that people have is just that negative $2,000.

00:05:17.260 So if I had to diagnose and answer, I think it's about breaking down the population that's voting into three cohorts.

00:05:25.140 Cohort number one are people that are mostly retired.

00:05:29.920 I think that their priority is going to be mostly around health care.

00:05:34.980 Then there's cohort number two, which are middle-aged, middle-income families.

00:05:40.660 I think their huge sensitivity is general cost of living.

00:05:45.700 And then I think what people like Mamdani uncovered, which I think the Republicans should embrace, is for young people, the huge hot-button question is around student loans and debt load and on-ramping into the United States economy with a decent starting job and salary.

00:06:05.780 So I think you have to have programs that touch each of these three areas, and that is probably the path forward where you can earn back the $2,000, show that you've basically closed this hole that Biden created, and then ideally you get out of that hole so that you're now gross net positive, which would be a huge economic win for them.

00:06:26.100 Now, of those voting blocks, the one that is most likely to actually show up on Election Day is the older group, if history's any—excuse me, I've got my Ludens, I've got all my tool search month, but I'm coming off a rough few days.

00:06:41.160 The Ricola, yeah, I got you.

00:06:43.520 In any event, the older people are the ones who vote, but also people who are economically motivated will vote.

00:06:49.800 I mean, we did see a higher turnout of the young people last time around, in large part thanks to our friend Charlie.

00:06:56.500 So where do you focus on?

00:06:58.860 I mean, truly, like, if you're just talking, like, brass tacks, November's coming, we've got to get people motivated to vote Republican or we're going to lose the House, we're going to have nonstop impeachments and investigations, the Trump agenda will be stymied.

00:07:11.900 Where do you go?

00:07:15.280 I mean, I can brainstorm with you.

00:07:16.680 These are all kind of, like, hypotheticals, but I think the hypotheticals are kind of interesting because it starts to make the point you're making.

00:07:22.160 Me too.

00:07:22.460 So I think if you look at older folks, the biggest cost that they bear is the uncertainty and the actual lived cost of medical expenses as they get older.

00:07:35.460 Because most of them, you know, for better or for worse, have structural housing.

00:07:41.180 You know, they've either owned a home or have been renting something for a long enough period of time where that issue is less of an issue for them, per se.

00:07:48.080 You know, we all talk about how boomers sort of were buying homes in the 80s and 70s and early 90s, and everybody else now is sort of on the sidelines frozen out.

00:07:57.400 So if it's around medical care, we heard yesterday in the cabinet meeting, Bobby Kennedy say something really interesting, which is starting in 2026, you will not allow for certain procedures to have to go through prior auth, which is this crazy scheme that the insurance companies use to essentially slow down approvals.

00:08:19.440 They do that so that they can make more money in the short term before they have to pay out claims.

00:08:25.700 But the lived experience for older Americans is when you need a procedure, you're kind of waiting around, hand-wringing, wondering why the insurance you're paying into isn't approving a legitimate medical procedure.

00:08:37.920 So if you look at that narrow issue and expand the scope, the interesting thing would be to figure out how can we make the healthcare rails in America more frictionless?

00:08:50.360 How do you make prior auth much easier to do across a wide variety of procedures, but also maybe we should look at medications?

00:09:00.380 How do we think about out-of-pocket costs in Medicare and Medicaid?

00:09:04.540 Could those be subsidized in some way with sources of funds that are neutral to the government, meaning they don't come out of the general fund?

00:09:13.500 There are some very clever financial things that one can do there that rely heavily on private corporations and the money that they're already making.

00:09:23.800 So that's one practical issue.

00:09:25.200 How do you specifically narrowly lower healthcare costs for older voters?

00:09:29.820 But that consolidates the block of people, as you said, that are going to come no matter what.

00:09:34.540 I think if you're going to go after homes and middle-aged folks, you have to look at utility costs, food costs, and electricity costs, and you have to find a way.

00:09:44.240 And there are, by the way, very clever things that one can do, again, that don't require the general fund or treasury.

00:09:50.700 So one example of this is that if you had a large group of corporations come together, they can directly use the big, beautiful bill language around things like batteries and smart thermometers.

00:10:07.640 And you can go and implement these things into a home, help reduce the cost of electricity, in some cases upwards of 50% or 60%, and what you get is actually a rebate on the taxes you would otherwise pay.

00:10:20.760 That, at scale, I think, has a huge impact on CPI and could activate the 35 to 55-year-old voter who's in a household family of four type thing.

00:10:34.720 But I go back to this other thing.

00:10:37.420 This younger cohort was activated by these programs that are, you know, frankly, they're regressive, but they're masked as, like, equity.

00:10:48.720 And I think the most important thing that they care about is what is the long-term solution for all of the student debt that they're signing up for because the jobs that they get afterwards make absolutely no sense and do not generate anywhere near the revenue relative to the cost that they undertake.

00:11:08.380 We're not doing anything about college tuition, nothing.

00:11:13.180 We just keep increasing the amount that they can borrow, so then they do borrow that because the universities increase their tuition immediately, accordingly.

00:11:23.000 And the students are left with this enormous bill that cannot be paid off any sooner than 30 years with jobs that don't justify that sort of investment.

00:11:32.440 It'll never be paid off.

00:11:33.160 It'll never be paid off.

00:11:34.600 And look, the difference—look, think about a house, right?

00:11:37.440 You take on a multi-hundred-thousand-dollar mortgage in a house, most people don't also pay off their mortgages.

00:11:45.580 What they're able to do is rise and participate in the appreciation of the home and then close the mortgage out when they sell the home, right?

00:11:54.340 The overwhelming majority of people get the capital appreciation of this huge loan that is a liability on their balance sheet.

00:12:02.780 But if you look at student debt, those loans are of the same order of magnitude as a home mortgage, but they don't appreciate in value in any way.

00:12:12.740 They don't accrue value to you in any way.

00:12:16.020 And they're an albatross that you can't even discharge in a bankruptcy.

00:12:20.160 So I think the thing that we have to seriously consider now is, at a minimum, do we stop federally underwriting all loans in an equal way?

00:12:31.880 It doesn't make any logical sense that somebody chasing an eight-year PhD in art history has the same economic opportunities as somebody chasing a four-year degree in biochemistry.

00:12:45.660 The latter has a lot more practical applications, yet when we, the United States people, underwrite that loan so that it can be sold into Wall Street, we view them the same.

00:12:57.920 So then what happens is Harvard is just as incentivized as to push that person into a, you know, they go to that person and say,

00:13:04.360 Megan, I think you should get an undergrad in biochemistry.

00:13:06.400 You're like, no, I really like art history.

00:13:07.860 They're like, well, what about this PhD?

00:13:10.980 That can't happen anymore.

00:13:12.100 You have to be able to differentiate these things and understand the downstream economic value.

00:13:16.380 And if you want to study art history, maybe the right thing for most people is to learn by yourself or in a community college class while you are working.

00:13:26.400 Because you appreciate that underwriting a $300,000 degree for that thing doesn't make any sense economically.

00:13:33.860 And we don't have that conversation in the United States, but I think we have to.

00:13:37.780 No, because it's all federal loans.

00:13:39.080 I mean, if there were private lenders making a case-by-case decision, we would factor earning ability in, but we don't.

00:13:46.360 The government just gives it.

00:13:48.080 And I lived this firsthand, too, even when I was in law school.

00:13:50.220 They raised the amount that you could get from the government on the tuition loans.

00:13:55.140 And sure enough, you know, and I was thinking, oh, great.

00:13:57.160 I'll actually be able to get some that will go toward my cost of living, not just tuition.

00:14:04.520 Like, I'll actually be able to pay for my own apartment without having to work all these hours on top of my law school.

00:14:09.380 And no, I couldn't because the law school just raised the tuition exactly the amount that the government raised the loan amount.

00:14:15.800 So it all goes to the university.

00:14:17.300 Everybody's experiencing this.

00:14:18.880 Can I give you an example that underscores this even more?

00:14:21.300 The best example of why there is sanity in the private markets, now you've given me what you had.

00:14:31.160 Excuse me.

00:14:31.860 Oh, no.

00:14:32.460 Over the transom.

00:14:33.800 I'm good.

00:14:34.220 No, you know what it is?

00:14:35.420 In Thanksgiving, all that happens is we all spend time at home.

00:14:38.420 We all just get sick.

00:14:39.280 I have five kids.

00:14:40.460 Three of them were laid out all Thanksgiving.

00:14:42.940 My wife and I were just trying to duck bullets the whole time.

00:14:46.060 And, you know, it's a miracle.

00:14:48.000 And, you know, you think about how easy it is to infect your family because, like, every doorknob you touch in your home, the refrigerator, the remote control, you're just like this Petri dish.

00:14:58.420 Although I will tell you, Chamath, Doug and I, we had a very funny exchange this morning.

00:15:01.700 I don't know if you're like this, but whenever I get sick, I'm sitting here like a walking ball of germs.

00:15:07.920 I'm coughing.

00:15:09.060 I'm blowing my nose.

00:15:09.920 My eyes are running.

00:15:11.240 And Doug's like, I feel something in my throat.

00:15:13.880 There's a tickle.

00:15:14.860 I have a tickle.

00:15:15.460 We have to spend 10 minutes on the tickle in his throat.

00:15:18.300 We have to spend zero on what's happening to me right now at this second.

00:15:22.440 Like, men are just—

00:15:24.380 You're a woman.

00:15:25.160 You're a woman.

00:15:25.660 You're strong.

00:15:26.780 Men are weak.

00:15:28.040 And we need to be coddled when we get sick.

00:15:29.540 This is a rule.

00:15:30.820 It's true.

00:15:32.200 It really is true.

00:15:33.300 Men are physically stronger, but they are mentally weaker when it comes to the thought or experience of illness.

00:15:39.480 This is a fact.

00:15:40.360 This is why we have the babies God knew. 1.00

00:15:42.160 I have an incredibly funny but sad story about this.

00:15:47.000 So during Thanksgiving, we go on Black Friday to a mall here in Silicon Valley.

00:15:53.120 And two of my kids are sick and my wife is sick.

00:15:56.300 And in the middle of this thing, there was, like, a shooting, which never happens where we are.

00:16:01.140 Wow.

00:16:01.780 And the whole mall goes into lockdown.

00:16:03.800 We're in a store.

00:16:04.900 The people at the store did a wonderful job.

00:16:06.660 They closed all the doors.

00:16:07.680 We were sitting in the dressing room just waiting for everything to clear.

00:16:11.060 And it was clear pretty quickly.

00:16:12.720 It was just an isolated event.

00:16:14.580 But in any event, in the whole thing, I look at my wife and my kids who are sick.

00:16:18.900 And I'm like, are you guys okay?

00:16:20.000 They're like this.

00:16:22.040 And they're like, are you okay?

00:16:23.440 And I had nothing wrong.

00:16:24.300 And I was just a puddle.

00:16:25.500 I was like, you know, I don't know what's going on.

00:16:27.620 I think I have COVID plus the flu plus the avian flu.

00:16:31.160 I don't know what's happening.

00:16:32.120 I'm ready to, like, just completely.

00:16:33.840 It was so fun.

00:16:35.660 Okay.

00:16:35.940 Anyway, so going back to what I was going to say to you before.

00:16:37.740 Keep going.

00:16:40.740 The best example of where there's rationality when the private market prices something versus the public market is in mortgages.

00:16:52.680 So when you buy a home and you want to get either the insurance or the mortgage itself, one of the things that we've been told about for years is there's this threat of climate change.

00:17:07.600 And climate change could meaningfully impact sea levels.

00:17:12.220 They could impact the weather.

00:17:13.460 They could impact extreme weather events.

00:17:15.680 Well, you know who has the best incentive to understand whether those claims will be true in a dispassionate way?

00:17:25.960 It's banks.

00:17:27.740 And the reason is it's the bank's money that's being used to buy a home.

00:17:31.220 And what's so interesting about that is that forget all of the rhetoric, all of the emotional sturm and drang around climate change.

00:17:39.740 If you actually just looked at how the banks priced risk over these last 20 years, what the financial direction would tell you was that climate change was something that could theoretically be important but not much of a thing.

00:17:55.420 And that was the actual financial underwriting.

00:17:58.060 This is just an example to show you that when you have these important philosophical issues of society, sometimes the clarity and the truth can be found through unemotional financial underwriting.

00:18:13.220 It's not true for all things.

00:18:14.540 But if you gave these educational degrees into the hands of institutions that would have to pay for it, you would very quickly see them figure out what the ability for these kids would be to pay it and also what the ability for these kids would be to enjoy a good life and their version of the American dream.

00:18:35.360 You would get that answer within a year.

00:18:37.780 Yeah.

00:18:38.180 Yeah, yeah.

00:18:38.920 And today, that's not what's happening.

00:18:40.740 Why can't our government approach it the same way?

00:18:42.180 There was, what you said about climate change reminded me of this.

00:18:44.600 It went kind of viral yesterday.

00:18:47.020 Nicole Shanahan, who was RFKJ's running mate and was married to Sergey Brin of Google, co-founder, she has her own podcast now.

00:18:55.340 And she went off a bit on the obsession with climate change among many people in Silicon Valley.

00:19:02.640 It's not just Silicon Valley, but among especially like the rich Silicon Valley wives. 1.00

00:19:07.660 It was pretty interesting.

00:19:09.020 Yeah, the private equity wives. 1.00

00:19:10.280 Take a listen to this.

00:19:11.580 Yeah, she was on with, actually, she was on with Allie Beth Stuckey, but here she is, Nicole Shanahan, SOT13.

00:19:16.400 What I don't think many of the tech mafia wives realize is that they were used to set the groundwork for what was called like the reset, what is called generally as like the reset. 1.00

00:19:31.040 The tech wife mafias, I believe, were kind of being conscripted in many ways, and their money especially was being conscripted in to set the groundwork for the Great Reset. 0.83

00:19:43.560 Specifically through a network of non-NGO advisors, relationship with Hollywood, relationship with Davos, and their own companies, completely blind to everything else that's going on,

00:20:07.640 and how their groundwork is being used to then enable these other policies, these Great Reset policies.

00:20:18.800 And these women find their meaning through their philanthropic work. 0.99

00:20:22.940 That was my self-worth, was my philanthropic work, and I really believed in it.

00:20:27.040 I really believed that I was giving Black communities a chance to, like, rise up out of oppression.

00:20:34.780 I really believed that I was helping Indigenous communities rise up out of oppression.

00:20:39.280 The problems of the community have gotten worse.

00:20:41.540 Crime in the community has gotten worse.

00:20:43.780 Mental health in the Native community, the Indigenous community, has gotten worse.

00:20:47.840 The whole model is broken.

00:20:49.860 The whole model makes everybody worse off.

00:20:52.640 Social justice and climate change, it always boils down to those two things, and it gets progressive women 100% of the time. 1.00

00:20:59.400 It's amazing to watch her red pill evolution.

00:21:04.100 Super fun to see her get there. 1.00

00:21:06.660 And yes, everything she said is right, Chamath.

00:21:08.860 I can kind of see where she's coming from.

00:21:15.360 I think that the thing with Silicon Valley that's so incredible is you can believe in yourself, and you can start something.

00:21:25.220 And in any other place, what would otherwise take you 50 years, you can accomplish in five.

00:21:32.100 Now, that's an incredible thing in terms of what you can make for society, but it can be a very destabilizing thing because along with making great things, you can be rewarded in five years in a way and at a scale that would have otherwise taken 50 or 75 as well.

00:21:52.060 That second part is very destabilizing.

00:21:54.820 And I think that there are those folks that then have access to these resources that aren't necessarily anchored to something, who want to find purpose.

00:22:04.840 And if you are an elite organization like Davos, and you can create this air around yourself about intellectual and moral superiority, you have the ability to pull these folks in and use them as tools and mechanisms to affect your agenda.

00:22:21.300 I think that's essentially what she's saying.

00:22:23.460 And it's a very complicated topic.

00:22:27.240 I sympathize for what a lot of those folks are doing.

00:22:32.020 Some of these tech wives, to be honest, I know. 1.00

00:22:35.860 And I think the honest answer is you actually have to start looking at the core of these organizations like these Davosos and start asking the question like,

00:22:46.440 maybe we don't need to have this hyper-globalist, monocultural view from the top.

00:22:55.000 And I think if you have the courage to say that and say there's a lot of different viewpoints and many people acting independently always gets to a better answer than a group of 1,000 people deciding for 8 billion.

00:23:07.560 And I think that's what I—

00:23:09.560 I think it's something different.

00:23:10.340 I think it's something else.

00:23:11.280 I think these women tend to be gunners in their own right. 1.00

00:23:15.180 Nicole, I think she was getting her degree at Stanford when she met Sergei.

00:23:19.220 Like, she was on her way toward doing her own independent thing.

00:23:23.280 It's the same story for a lot of the women in Silicon Valley. 1.00

00:23:25.600 It's the same story for a lot of the women where I am in Connecticut who wind up marrying billionaires or, you know, guys who are on their way to becoming.

00:23:33.860 And I think what these women need is a more active purpose in their lives. 1.00

00:23:39.160 I think they wind up married to people who are more successful than they are.

00:23:44.300 So it's like, okay, I'll sacrifice my career and I'll raise children.

00:23:48.180 But the children quickly age out of the range where you need a mom there full-time. 0.63

00:23:54.740 And so now these women are bored. 1.00

00:23:56.580 They have a lot of brainpower.

00:23:58.040 It's like Secretariat is sitting there in the pasture during his prime years and he's fucking bored.

00:24:04.420 He needs to run.

00:24:05.940 And, like, what these women need to do is step away from Davos and these fake charities as, like, something that's real and helping anybody and go to work. 1.00

00:24:17.480 Like, find the balance that allows you to use your brainpower in the way God intended and also take care of your children if that's what you would like to do.

00:24:25.860 And I totally support that.

00:24:27.580 But I think what happens is they're bored and they find the wrong outlet for it.

00:24:32.300 That's not real work.

00:24:33.900 It's a substitute for it.

00:24:35.180 Because if you have real problems, Shemath, let's say you have an actual bill to pay. 1.00

00:24:39.720 Let's take it down to, like, my mom, who's a nurse. 0.99

00:24:42.400 She doesn't have time to think about this bullshit.

00:24:44.980 She is taking care of patients all day.

00:24:46.760 Well, now she's retired. 1.00

00:24:47.800 She's 84.

00:24:48.480 But in the day.

00:24:49.700 Those people are never the ones creating society's problems.

00:24:53.760 They're too busy managing their own.

00:24:56.340 It's almost like these people need real problems.

00:24:58.160 So when you say go to work, do you mean, like, join a corporation and, you know, slot yourself in and try to work yourself up the ladder?

00:25:10.400 Whatever your passion is.

00:25:11.780 I don't know.

00:25:12.200 It could be you start a business.

00:25:14.320 You know, and I don't mean the fake business either.

00:25:15.780 Here's the other problem that I see with these billionaire wives. 1.00

00:25:18.360 So many take their husband's money and then they're like, I'm a founder.

00:25:22.560 And they start doling out the husband's money to random groups.

00:25:25.760 And they're like, oh, I'm the founder of that company.

00:25:27.780 I'm one of their chief investors.

00:25:29.300 That's not doing anything.

00:25:30.760 That's giving away your husband's money. 0.99

00:25:33.160 Pick a fucking job that requires you to use your brain, that requires you to take risk or hire people.

00:25:40.140 Evaluate situations and make judgment calls.

00:25:42.820 Fail.

00:25:43.580 Succeed.

00:25:44.560 Stand up on your own two feet.

00:25:46.300 Be your own individual person and not just your husband's wife if you really want an active profession.

00:25:52.040 Not every woman does.

00:25:53.360 But for the women who do, do that.

00:25:55.540 Instead of doing fake Davos shit that is meaningless, and actually it's worse than meaningless, it's harmful.

00:26:01.600 It just makes you feel better about your fragile ego, you know, getting it stroked.

00:26:07.280 But you're actually hurting people because you don't understand that world.

00:26:10.920 You don't understand how you're being used and how you're not even important to them.

00:26:14.280 You're just a gateway to your husband's wallet.

00:26:16.980 And on some level they know it, so it's unfulfilling.

00:26:19.640 But we all pretend it's not the case.

00:26:21.200 Find something that, I mean, honestly, I've said this to some of my friends.

00:26:23.680 I would rather they get a job at the damn supermarket. 1.00

00:26:29.000 Just do something that genuinely requires you for eight hours a day or six hours a day.

00:26:37.280 Sorry for my rant, but I have strong feelings about it.

00:26:39.740 Yeah, I mean, I think that that's, it's just an incredibly hard thing to do, I guess.

00:26:45.580 Because I think if you put yourself in their shoes, maybe there's a level of stature that they feel like they won't get by doing that.

00:26:54.220 I'm not, I agree with you.

00:26:56.000 Like, I've been a worker my whole life.

00:26:57.380 It's the opposite.

00:26:58.800 Yeah.

00:26:59.120 I think you have to have a social circle as well that rewards that.

00:27:02.880 You know, it's hard to go back and say, listen, I've decided to do X, Y, Z, and that's less interesting than, say, flying around to Davos and giving away money.

00:27:10.460 That's, the thing that those folks are able to do, Megan, is they're able to market and make you feel very special for doing that.

00:27:19.000 So, all I'm saying is we have to find a way of creating a social culture that rewards what you just said.

00:27:27.620 Right?

00:27:28.020 You should just hang out with me.

00:27:29.300 I'll create the culture around them.

00:27:31.280 They can call me for daily psych-up sessions.

00:27:34.140 Affirmations.

00:27:34.800 Affirmations.

00:27:35.200 Yes, I'm happy to give it to you.

00:27:36.220 Like, honestly, when I'm choosing a friend, I would much rather see somebody who's, like, hustling on her own, whatever it is, even if she's married.

00:27:44.760 I know people like this right now who are married to very rich men who are constantly finding something else intellectually interesting to do, whose children are launched, you know, in college.

00:27:54.020 They don't require them full-time any longer, and who just continue to challenge themselves.

00:27:58.220 Like, this isn't good enough.

00:27:59.120 I'm not actually happy just sitting around here being asked for my investments.

00:28:02.800 I have to find a way to make my own life matter more than that.

00:28:06.520 And when women don't do that at any income level, I really think it leads to bad things. 1.00

00:28:11.140 I think it's one of the reasons why women are a huge part of our problem right now. 1.00

00:28:15.040 They're a huge part of our societal and political problems because they're voting overwhelmingly Democrat.

00:28:19.980 They buy into the narratives that the left sells them about DEI and racism and the trans stuff and empathy.

00:28:26.160 And they're ruining the country with all this apathy and free time.

00:28:31.580 What is it exploiting, do you think?

00:28:33.280 Like, how are the Democrats able to exploit that so well, so efficiently?

00:28:39.580 Because it is.

00:28:40.500 Allie Beth Stuckey is, speaking of her, she wrote the book called Toxic Empathy, and that's exactly what it is.

00:28:45.980 Women have a beautiful thing called empathy in spades, way more than men have. 0.99

00:28:50.860 That's the way God intended it.

00:28:52.840 And it's the reason why, generally, when your kid gets hurt, he wants his mom and not his dad.

00:28:56.540 You know, you're going to stroke him and hug him and brush his hair.

00:29:00.460 Yeah, and the dad's going to be like, you're fine.

00:29:02.320 You know, toughen up.

00:29:03.860 But that gets exploited from K through 12 and beyond by these teachers who use it to make these girls feel like bad people if they don't buy the Democratic Party line. 1.00

00:29:16.280 It's from all the DEI messaging and the trans messaging right down to when I was in law school, Chamath, they taught us that the Constitution, this is a liberal line, was a living, breathing document that could evolve over time.

00:29:30.920 I had no idea that was a liberal line.

00:29:32.860 I thought that was real.

00:29:34.420 So it was shoved to me by professors who were trying to exploit my empathy.

00:29:37.800 Like, it lives and breathes in a way that will allow, you know, due process for people in a way that had never been intended, that will allow the Supreme Court to issue a ruling saying, you can't legislate sex at a certain level, like in a certain way, whatever.

00:29:54.180 To read rights into there that were never in there, like the right to privacy and the right to have an abortion.

00:29:59.360 That's exploiting your toxic empathy.

00:30:00.840 Anyway, this is, women are genetically prone to it, given evolution, given how we are, and these leftist professors and teachers know it, the systems know it, they take advantage of it, and I think we need a little bit more testosterone running through our veins. 1.00

00:30:16.400 Do you think it's organized, or do you think it's disorganized, but because they all have the same incentive, it all kind of goes in the same direction?

00:30:23.280 It's the latter.

00:30:23.840 It's taught in a way that, you know, I don't know, it's taught in the same way, like my mom knew how to make the meatballs, because her mom knew how to make the meatballs, and now it skips a generation, because I don't know how to make the meatballs, but I think my daughter's on her way.

00:30:38.240 It's just, you learn it, you see it every week growing up, it's modeled for you by the teachers and the professors you respect, it's assumed that you're going to go along, and you know you're going to get a pat on the head if you do it, and then before you know it, you're doing it.

00:30:51.420 And like in my case, with the living, breathing constitution, that's just one example, but like, you don't know that this is even questionable.

00:30:59.460 It's just taught to you by somebody you respect, and you know, want to get a good grade from, and it's not so much later before you get exposed to other things, and you realize, holy shit, that was a manipulation.

00:31:09.360 So all of this, I just think women can avoid a lot of this, and again, it's not to say everybody needs to work, but women who are bored are dangerous. 1.00

00:31:21.420 Okay.

00:31:23.440 There you go.

00:31:24.240 Okay, let's keep going.

00:31:25.560 Women who are bored may be interested in this next story because they were manipulated, as were men. 0.77

00:31:32.680 We were told during the COVID vaccine mania, and I believe that you were very attuned to this.

00:31:39.840 I think you, I don't know why I think you mentioned Fani Prasad.

00:31:42.620 I have a lot to say about COVID.

00:31:43.760 Fani Prasad, yeah, but an extraordinary piece of reporting has just come out about the COVID vaccine trials and children.

00:31:56.080 Alex Berenson reported this, and I have been reliably informed that we are fine to go with this reporting and that this will be borne out in the coming days.

00:32:04.600 His headline is, and it was an exclusive to him, the FDA may add a strict black box warning on the mRNA COVID shots for kids and teens, millions of whom have already been given this thing.

00:32:21.900 A black box warning.

00:32:23.920 He reports the FDA may soon place this warning on the vaccines to alert physicians and parents of their link to childhood deaths.

00:32:30.580 This is the strictest an agency can impose, this kind of warning.

00:32:34.700 It's generally the last step they take before forcing a manufacturer to stop selling it.

00:32:39.400 They're also considering an alternative, forcing Moderna and Pfizer to stop selling them to kids and teens, period.

00:32:48.140 The potential move, he reports, follows the FDA's report on Friday that its reviewers had found COVID mRNA jabs killed at least 10 children and adolescents and likely many more.

00:33:00.580 He said they'd asked the FDA for comment, waiting to hear back.

00:33:03.480 My sources tell me this is safe reporting.

00:33:05.820 This actually is under consideration, and we're going to hear a report confirming this within days from the highest levels.

00:33:12.140 This is an outraged shemoth. 1.00

00:33:13.540 This was forced on us, every school, including my own.

00:33:17.580 They were expelling boys who would not take the vaccine once they hit 16 and so on.

00:33:23.120 This is downright dangerous, and it was sold to us by the Fauci, Biden, Collins administration under Joe Biden that refused to consider actual scientists like Vinay Prasad, who led this.

00:33:37.820 He's leading this within FDA, who was an independent physician at Johns Hopkins at the time.

00:33:43.200 And he was saying this at the time, saying these vaccines are causing deadly myocarditis in kids and teens.

00:33:50.420 And he was scoffed at.

00:33:51.960 He was marginalized, like so many others, and tried to dismiss his fringe.

00:33:56.120 And now, thank God, under Trump and Marty McCary, he's been elevated to an important position.

00:34:00.600 Your thoughts on it?

00:34:01.220 COVID is probably the most important historical moment of the last 50 years for the world.

00:34:11.780 And it needs to be understood, I think, in three really important and critical things for the success and the future of the United States.

00:34:21.620 The first is that we did not allow robust thinking and dissenting voices during that period, all the way up to being able to call places like Facebook and places like Twitter and telling them,

00:34:41.900 places like Google and telling them, take this down or, you know, do put a warning on this, de-boost that, you know, that's the effective equivalent of a black box label for content.

00:34:55.000 If you're not going to create even reasonable disclaimers and just suppress information, what the average person will do is come to a conclusion based on what is available to them.

00:35:06.120 But if what is available to them is a small sliver of the total groupthink or of the total thought, you're going to get very narrow opinions.

00:35:15.880 And it allowed a small group of people to control the narrative and then to make decisions.

00:35:20.180 That is extremely dangerous in a democracy.

00:35:23.000 So that's the first thing that we learned in COVID that has to change.

00:35:26.180 So within that, I think we have to go and uncover all of the true underlying medical research and put it out into the light.

00:35:34.020 You know, the great Barrington declaration that Jay Bhattacharya wrote caused them to essentially get defenestrated from Stanford.

00:35:40.760 And yet he turned out to be right as well.

00:35:43.020 There are umpteen examples where very credible scientists were saying, let's just slow down here and think about this.

00:35:50.020 And they were not allowed to say that.

00:35:52.040 And they were, and that content was essentially suppressed.

00:35:55.140 So rational, independent thinking people like you and me and your listeners could not come to our own conclusion.

00:36:01.220 So that's number one.

00:36:02.460 The second thing is that what we learned in COVID is, hold on a second, this globalist monoculture has made us super fragile.

00:36:12.120 If somebody in some remote part of the world decides that they don't like what we're doing or saying, they can shut things off.

00:36:19.160 And all of a sudden, these supply chains go dark and our entire economy folds in on itself.

00:36:25.300 That cannot be how a robust, resilient country like the United States thrives for the next 250 years, like we have in the last 250.

00:36:34.560 So that was, that was the second big thing.

00:36:37.860 And then the third thing, which we still are not putting our finger on is, we have had a huge setback to kids.

00:36:45.720 It created an enormous deficit from learning and from socialization.

00:36:52.780 And I can speak personally about this myself with five kids all sheltering in place for that period of time.

00:36:58.880 When I look at the impacts, it's the children at that age that were six, seven, and eight, who are today 11, 12, 13, and 14, of which I have one, two actually.

00:37:09.100 My gosh, they really took a step backwards in their ability to learn, in their ability to engage.

00:37:16.320 And I don't think we're doing the best for these children who are the future of our country in the next 20 or 30 years.

00:37:23.180 So those three things in COVID, frankly, caused me extreme frustration.

00:37:27.620 The lack of free speech and democracy, the lack of resiliency in the United States economy that we had created because we just outsourced everything to Davos and their ilk.

00:37:36.300 And then the impact of our kids that we are still not addressing.

00:37:40.060 I think that all of that needs to get put on display and we need to be extremely honest about it.

00:37:48.500 The problem that Biden did at the end, which I thought was extremely offensive, was by pre-pardoning all these folks.

00:37:54.860 We essentially allow this get out of jail free card where you can't even interrogate the truth.

00:37:59.600 So you can't even have an accounting for the future.

00:38:02.460 You know, look, we have had huge mistakes in the past in the United States.

00:38:05.260 But we've been able to have commissions.

00:38:07.840 Those commissions can at a minimum write reports.

00:38:10.480 Those reports can then be taken by think tanks.

00:38:12.560 We may not agree with this process, but at least at a minimum, there is a way for good, sensible policy to then enter the water table.

00:38:21.320 None of that will be possible here because so much of it is suppressed or because we've already taken all of this stuff off the table.

00:38:27.600 We can never even ask the questions.

00:38:29.220 That is really wrong.

00:38:31.860 Here's the other problem.

00:38:33.480 The media.

00:38:33.940 They were totally complicit.

00:38:37.240 They were complicit.

00:38:37.760 Totally complicit.

00:38:38.280 Right?

00:38:38.820 Totally complicit.

00:38:39.540 They went along with it.

00:38:41.100 Not everyone.

00:38:42.320 I mean, independent media in our lane, all in, and yours truly, and Tucker and many others were speaking up against the lies that we were being told, in particular when it came to children.

00:38:51.960 But let me just give you one example, all right?

00:38:55.420 When this was happening, I was listening to Dr. Vinay Prasad.

00:38:59.580 I had never heard of him, but I was very attuned, thanks to Brett Weinstein and many others I do listen to, that there was a problem with these COVID vaccines, especially when it came to kids.

00:39:11.460 And it led me to Dr. Vinay Prasad.

00:39:14.920 I listened to his podcast all the time, and he's a doctor, and he was talking real truths about the COVID vaccines and about myocarditis and pericarditis, in particular in teenage boys, but teenage girls too, and in kids.

00:39:27.100 And now he's at FDA, and now Alex Berenson reporting, again, we expect this to break from the highest level soon, reporting that Dr. Vinay Prasad wrote a six-page note to staffers, saying the real number of children and teenagers killed by the mRNA vaccines is likely much higher than 10 children.

00:39:46.660 After looking at 96 deaths of kids aged 7 to 16, FDA reviewers found 10, quote, died after and because of receiving the COVID-19 vaccination, but that depends on voluntary reporting and is almost certainly a significant underestimate, Prasad wrote.

00:40:06.820 In addition, the FDA reviewers excluded cases where records were ambiguous, and Berenson reports that one of these children died during the Moderna vaccine trial.

00:40:20.580 And what they did with that kid was just to exclude him.

00:40:24.740 They excluded him.

00:40:25.680 We covered a case like this where we had on a guy who was vaccine injured.

00:40:29.540 He was a biker, a mountain biker.

00:40:31.140 He was vaccine injured during the whole process, and they excluded him from the trial.

00:40:34.960 Or was it him and his wife, or his wife?

00:40:36.580 I had two on.

00:40:37.620 In any event, they just wrote him out of the trial, so they didn't have to count him.

00:40:41.720 So this is what was being done, and then those vaccines were made mandatory for our children.

00:40:47.680 I want to say one note to scared parents right now.

00:40:50.660 The information seems to be that, God forbid, this thing were going to cause a death, it would have happened.

00:40:55.840 Like, it wouldn't be now four years later.

00:40:58.380 Like, you don't, yes, of course, get your child checked, for sure.

00:41:01.300 For sure, I'd be having my kid checked if they had a vaccine, but even without the vaccine, if they had COVID, get an EKG, get an echocardiogram that's actually not too expensive.

00:41:11.940 You can get your doctor to order it, and just check out their heart.

00:41:16.160 That's all you need to do.

00:41:17.580 But the real danger period is right after you get the vaccine, so don't worry.

00:41:22.420 If your child had the vaccine and is still fine, you likely avoided it.

00:41:26.720 That doesn't scare people.

00:41:28.080 The one great thing is, you know, I know Marty and I know Bobby and Jay.

00:41:34.780 These are three exceptional Americans, and they are bulldogs for the truth.

00:41:41.540 And so I suspect that if this comes to pass and there is a black box label, it's because they've done some pretty thoughtful research and they've rerun the data and they've, you know, included.

00:41:54.240 The thing is that, you know, you can exclude data, but that data is written down somewhere.

00:41:59.780 So to the extent that they got their hands on this and was able to see it and they decide that the black box label is the right way to go, I really trust those three to do the right thing.

00:42:09.180 The other thing that I'll say is that it would be really incredible over time where we can release some of this data in an anonymized way so that some of these new AI models could rerun some of these statistical analyses just to make sure that all the math was right.

00:42:30.000 I think that's probably something that should happen anyways, you know, that's something that the FDA could do in partnership with Google and Anthropic and OpenAI and Grok as an example.

00:42:40.920 But I think it would give people a lot more certainty that the math and the analysis and the conclusions are defensible, not just in the eyes of the companies who have an economic incentive to get to a yes, but, you know, AI models who are trained to just be extremely truthful.

00:43:02.060 And I think that that could be a very helpful new tool in the arsenal of how we as a community, like, let's be honest, Megan, I mean, you and I have both been prescribed drugs.

00:43:13.120 It's really hard to understand what's going on.

00:43:16.060 Yeah.

00:43:16.580 And, you know, I've just assumed that everything is done correctly.

00:43:19.680 I remember that when I once said on the All In podcast, are you allowed to call something a vaccine that is 30 or 40% efficacious?

00:43:29.540 That's when I got some of the most severe pushback ever, just to even ask that question, you know, because when I think vaccine, when I get a vaccine, I'm protected for life.

00:43:41.240 That's what I that's what I just kind of assumed.

00:43:43.520 And so when I give my kids vaccines, that's what I'm thinking as well.

00:43:46.400 But if I'm taking something that's 30 or 40% efficacious, it doesn't seem like a vaccine.

00:43:50.300 It seems like a best efforts attempt, you know, and that's when, like, you know, at some point I stopped taking the flu vaccine because of that, because it's not really a vaccine.

00:43:59.800 My doctor tells me, yeah, 30 or 40% of the time it'll help you, 60% of the time you're on your own.

00:44:05.720 And I wasn't even allowed to ask that question on air.

00:44:08.520 Yep.

00:44:09.140 Well, so the media thing, back in, it was October 19th, 2022, just to walk down memory lane.

00:44:16.140 And I'd been listening to Vinay and others, and I tweeted out the following because they were, the CDC had just added the COVID vaccine to its list of mandatory, you know, recommended school vaccinations.

00:44:28.220 And I tweeted out the following, a scary number of kids are dying after taking the COVID vax from myocarditis, among other injuries.

00:44:36.620 How dare the CDC add this to its list of school vaccinations?

00:44:40.000 Don't listen.

00:44:40.940 Listen, be very careful with your teenage boys in particular, but girls too.

00:44:45.320 These are not honest brokers.

00:44:47.020 This is dangerous, with an exclamation point.

00:44:50.160 The shitstorm that rained down upon me was massive and ongoing.

00:44:55.160 I'll just give you a couple.

00:44:56.080 The Daily Beast, which is literally wrong about everything all the time, tweeted out,

00:44:59.880 Megyn Kelly's anti-vax lies are a threat to public health. 1.00

00:45:03.800 Daily Beast, you fucking got kids killed.

00:45:06.920 You got kids killed.

00:45:08.260 I saved lives.

00:45:09.800 This show saved lives, without question.

00:45:12.760 The Hill, Megyn Kelly faces backlash over COVID tweet.

00:45:15.800 It went on and on.

00:45:16.940 Kara Swisher, Silicon Valley, speaking of Silicon Valley, this was the issue not long after this.

00:45:26.080 Literally two days after this, Vinay, Vinay Prasad, I'd been listening to, literally two days after this, my sister died.

00:45:35.320 Not of COVID.

00:45:38.160 It was a long story, but she died.

00:45:39.920 And I was supposed to do Kara Swisher's podcast, and I had to cancel.

00:45:42.880 So my assistant texted her saying she has a family emergency.

00:45:46.500 She didn't, you know, give up the farm. 0.56

00:45:48.480 And Kara Swisher wrote back, oh, I'm sure it's a family emergency and not just,

00:45:52.920 she's afraid to come on now, given the storm around her stupid COVID tweets.

00:45:59.120 No, I'm really sure.

00:46:00.400 And Abby was, like, too polite to just shove it down her throat and say, actually, her sister's dead.

00:46:05.420 And by the way, when she found out, she wasn't apologetic.

00:46:07.780 She didn't say, oh, my God, I'm such an asshole.

00:46:10.220 Sorry for being such a jerk.

00:46:11.800 Anyway, that's what was happening.

00:46:14.100 That was the reaction to that, Chamath, a huge storm around me telling the truth. 0.85

00:46:20.600 And I did a whole talking points memo on it the very next day, a whole talking points,

00:46:24.360 giving me examples of what I was talking about, kids who were dying from this.

00:46:28.080 And now we have the FDA finally coming out, about to put a black box warning on this thing,

00:46:32.240 saying it was all true.

00:46:35.200 Where's the media accountability?

00:46:36.480 Where's the apology from The Hill, The Daily Beast, from Kara Swisher?

00:46:41.940 Where are, why won't any of the dishonest brokers come out and say, we're sorry?

00:46:47.520 I think that what has to happen are a couple of really important things.

00:46:53.420 The first is that places like you, places like All In,

00:46:59.060 whoever is willing to just independently call balls and strikes,

00:47:05.660 we have to find a way of growing and thriving.

00:47:09.840 And I think that while we're doing a good job,

00:47:13.300 I think it's still very fragile for independent media.

00:47:16.620 We're still reliant on large distribution channels,

00:47:20.400 like Facebook and Instagram and TikTok and Google and X.

00:47:24.780 And at any point, if those fall into the wrong hands,

00:47:28.860 or we go back to repressive or regressive regimes around free speech,

00:47:35.000 the ability to talk about an issue from all angles will disappear.

00:47:41.020 That's what we can fix, which is we have to become economically viable

00:47:45.380 to be independent forever.

00:47:47.240 So that even if all of those places at some point say,

00:47:51.220 hey, you know what, I don't like what you're saying,

00:47:52.780 you can somehow, you know, get access to satellite internet

00:47:57.240 and start broadcasting your own thoughts independent of everybody else.

00:48:03.900 Now, what does that require?

00:48:05.840 I think what that requires is extreme privacy

00:48:09.440 and a monetary system that can be shielded.

00:48:14.900 Now, that's a risk today because I think, you know,

00:48:17.640 there's still a lot of ways in which wrong think can be punished.

00:48:23.540 And wrong think ebbs and flows depending on who you are.

00:48:26.240 Like, you know, the European government of wrong think

00:48:28.380 is very different than what, right?

00:48:31.120 And so, and we've seen this, by the way.

00:48:32.800 I've seen it.

00:48:33.180 You guys get, you get suppressed.

00:48:35.020 Your videos get suppressed.

00:48:36.060 They get lower circulation if you have wrong think in them.

00:48:39.120 And in my case-

00:48:40.200 You know the three videos from our summit?

00:48:42.020 I get ultimately savaged by the media for something else.

00:48:45.300 They make up some fake controversy to try to diminish my voice

00:48:48.660 because they recognize I'm a threat.

00:48:50.900 Keep going.

00:48:51.620 Look at my, look at one of my best friends.

00:48:53.280 And, you know, my bestie on the pod, David Sox.

00:48:55.160 Look at this weekend, this huge trash burger

00:48:58.200 that was written by the New York Times.

00:49:00.000 Complete garbage.

00:49:01.720 Now, and frankly, I talked to David along the way

00:49:05.840 over these months just seeing how he was dealing with it.

00:49:08.560 And I was so shocked at how patient he was

00:49:12.140 and how forthright he was

00:49:13.420 because he was like, there's nothing to see here.

00:49:15.680 And it was five people over five months

00:49:18.600 trying to dig something up.

00:49:20.220 And ultimately when they found nothing,

00:49:22.840 they tried to write the most hurtful headline,

00:49:26.200 probably with the presumption that maybe most people

00:49:28.740 will just read the headline and move on

00:49:30.240 and we will inflict the damage we want to see

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00:53:08.940 Speaking of this show

00:53:10.420 getting it right

00:53:11.160 no matter how many hits

00:53:12.360 in the media we take

00:53:13.280 Fannie Willis

00:53:15.060 is the first topic

00:53:16.180 of today's Kelly's Court.

00:53:17.880 While many of us

00:53:18.780 were enjoying

00:53:19.300 the Thanksgiving holiday

00:53:20.560 a judge in Georgia

00:53:21.900 officially ended

00:53:23.160 the election interference case

00:53:25.180 against Donald Trump

00:53:26.920 brought by Fulton County DA

00:53:29.160 Fannie Willis

00:53:30.020 in 2023.

00:53:31.200 It was this case

00:53:32.320 that brought us

00:53:33.140 the infamous mugshot

00:53:34.460 that Mr. Trump

00:53:35.740 ended up using

00:53:36.520 on campaign merchandise

00:53:37.640 and that now hangs

00:53:38.960 at the White House.

00:53:40.880 Many in legacy media

00:53:42.360 fawned over Fannie

00:53:44.780 and her case.

00:53:46.900 Harvard Law Professor

00:53:47.740 Lawrence Tribe

00:53:48.380 once wrote for The Atlantic,

00:53:49.940 Willis' determination

00:53:50.800 to deliver

00:53:51.660 on her responsibility

00:53:53.160 to the rule of law

00:53:54.360 exemplifies a civil servant

00:53:56.220 doing her duty

00:53:57.620 without fear or favor.

00:53:59.120 Oh my God.

00:54:01.080 Former prosecutor

00:54:01.860 Joyce Vance

00:54:02.640 told MSNBC

00:54:03.640 the prosecution

00:54:04.880 looks like a slam dunk.

00:54:07.780 But then

00:54:08.620 good old Fannie 0.99

00:54:09.900 blew up the entire case

00:54:11.660 because she couldn't

00:54:12.220 keep it in her pants. 0.99

00:54:13.980 It was discovered

00:54:14.780 she had a romantic

00:54:16.100 relationship

00:54:16.860 with the special prosecutor

00:54:18.940 who she hired

00:54:20.180 to lead the case.

00:54:22.320 That news hit

00:54:23.540 the night of January 8th,

00:54:24.760 January 8th,

00:54:25.400 2024.

00:54:26.920 And within hours,

00:54:28.620 this show called it.

00:54:30.640 Sorry,

00:54:31.200 but we were the truth tellers.

00:54:32.880 We knew

00:54:33.600 Fannie Willis

00:54:34.840 was in trouble

00:54:35.560 and we owned

00:54:37.020 the coverage

00:54:37.500 as it fell apart

00:54:38.600 over the next

00:54:39.840 several months.

00:54:41.440 Watch this.

00:54:43.760 I have so much

00:54:45.040 to tell you about today

00:54:46.060 and the lead story

00:54:47.320 is unbelievable.

00:54:49.380 Why is it not everywhere?

00:54:50.680 The case against Trump

00:54:51.800 in Georgia,

00:54:52.740 I'm not sure

00:54:55.740 the case itself

00:54:56.620 is going to go away

00:54:57.580 but the prosecutor

00:54:58.460 might be.

00:54:59.240 Some people might be saying

00:55:00.120 so they're having an affair

00:55:01.000 who cares?

00:55:01.680 You don't understand

00:55:02.520 the law puts

00:55:03.820 extraordinarily high

00:55:04.820 ethical burdens

00:55:05.440 on prosecutors.

00:55:06.700 Given the power they have

00:55:07.940 it can't even have

00:55:08.900 the stank

00:55:10.080 of impropriety.

00:55:12.040 Fannie,

00:55:12.500 you're in trouble.

00:55:13.720 I really don't see a way

00:55:14.620 in which Fannie Willis stays.

00:55:15.760 I don't know that

00:55:16.140 the whole case goes away

00:55:17.100 but I think

00:55:18.320 she's going to go away.

00:55:19.120 We all know

00:55:19.880 that Fannie Willis 0.97

00:55:21.060 is toast.

00:55:21.500 This is going to get

00:55:22.500 a lot worse

00:55:23.860 for old Fannie

00:55:25.040 and Nathan Wade

00:55:26.320 before it gets better.

00:55:27.580 There have been

00:55:28.200 massive and explosive

00:55:29.460 developments

00:55:30.060 in the Fannie Willis case.

00:55:31.500 She's picking up

00:55:32.100 the documents.

00:55:32.680 It's a lie.

00:55:33.480 It's a lie.

00:55:34.840 No, no, no, no.

00:55:35.500 This is the truth, Judge.

00:55:36.500 It is a lie.

00:55:38.620 It is a lie.

00:55:39.660 Anytime she gets caught

00:55:41.440 in a lie

00:55:42.560 she lashes out.

00:55:43.780 We have gotten

00:55:44.920 our hands on the text.

00:55:46.080 These text messages

00:55:47.900 show that

00:55:49.640 Fannie Willis

00:55:51.080 and Nathan Wade

00:55:52.400 did in fact

00:55:53.900 have a romantic affair.

00:55:55.500 When you put it together

00:55:56.500 this probably lights out

00:55:58.060 for Fannie Willis

00:55:59.300 and her prosecution team.

00:56:01.240 The folks over

00:56:01.780 at the New York Times

00:56:02.520 are absolutely

00:56:03.220 flabbergasted.

00:56:04.900 Who even knew

00:56:05.800 that this could

00:56:06.340 potentially be a thing?

00:56:07.960 The feeling that

00:56:08.820 a lot of people had

00:56:09.660 when this motion

00:56:10.140 was filed was that

00:56:11.080 it was

00:56:12.420 kind of a hail mary.

00:56:14.100 Right?

00:56:14.780 And there was

00:56:15.720 not much evidence

00:56:16.460 that it was

00:56:16.780 necessarily even true.

00:56:17.900 Actually, just fact check

00:56:18.980 for you, New York Times.

00:56:20.040 Some of us knew

00:56:20.640 exactly what to make of it

00:56:22.180 if you just have

00:56:22.800 an open mind

00:56:23.660 when it comes to

00:56:24.300 anything involving

00:56:25.160 Donald Trump.

00:56:26.740 Christmas came early.

00:56:28.840 It finally happened.

00:56:30.160 A Georgia appeals court

00:56:31.540 has officially

00:56:32.740 disqualified her 0.99

00:56:34.260 from the Trump

00:56:34.800 election interference case.

00:56:36.360 She's gone.

00:56:37.340 She's done.

00:56:37.980 It's over for her

00:56:39.060 and her entire office.

00:56:40.520 And it's official.

00:56:42.140 Another nail

00:56:42.760 in the lawfare coffin.

00:56:44.100 Against now President

00:56:45.580 Elect Donald Trump.

00:56:48.480 Wow.

00:56:49.560 What a walk down

00:56:50.220 memory lane.

00:56:51.380 Joining me now

00:56:51.860 two of the lawyers

00:56:52.580 who helped walk us

00:56:53.800 through the case

00:56:54.440 falling apart

00:56:55.100 with honest

00:56:56.200 on-point analysis.

00:56:58.260 Phil Holloway

00:56:58.980 and Dave Ehrenberg

00:56:59.900 who are both

00:57:01.060 now contributors

00:57:02.320 to the

00:57:02.840 MK True Crime channel.

00:57:05.120 That's its own podcast.

00:57:06.240 If you haven't subscribed

00:57:06.920 go to wherever

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00:57:08.220 type in MK True Crime

00:57:09.420 and hit subscribe.

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00:57:13.480 around the country

00:57:14.520 and it's a great show.

00:57:16.400 It's doing really well.

00:57:17.560 Phil, Dave,

00:57:18.380 welcome back.

00:57:19.200 And Phil,

00:57:20.300 congrats on having

00:57:20.960 that one right

00:57:21.420 from the beginning.

00:57:22.520 Dave, we still love you.

00:57:25.660 Thank you.

00:57:27.620 It took me a while.

00:57:28.340 I didn't know Dave

00:57:28.700 was ever on the other

00:57:29.520 side of that.

00:57:30.120 I thought it was

00:57:30.700 sort of unanimous

00:57:31.720 that we all kind of

00:57:32.860 knew she was going

00:57:33.500 to be gone.

00:57:33.880 He would be devil's advocate,

00:57:35.460 I'll say.

00:57:36.000 He was devil's advocate.

00:57:37.680 It took me a while to...

00:57:39.400 You know,

00:57:40.780 at the beginning,

00:57:41.520 Megan,

00:57:41.840 you're right.

00:57:42.240 You're right to call me out

00:57:43.080 because I thought

00:57:44.220 like others did

00:57:45.020 on my side of the aisle

00:57:45.840 that,

00:57:46.540 well,

00:57:47.080 you know,

00:57:47.320 there may be

00:57:47.640 some issues here

00:57:48.700 but the underlying

00:57:49.660 case is strong.

00:57:50.580 It won't affect it.

00:57:51.880 And then as more evidence

00:57:52.940 came out of this

00:57:53.980 and possible lying

00:57:55.640 in court,

00:57:56.100 I was like,

00:57:56.420 yeah,

00:57:56.760 this is going to

00:57:57.200 jeopardize this whole thing.

00:57:58.520 Although I did

00:57:59.260 correctly predict

00:58:00.020 that the judge

00:58:00.820 would remove

00:58:01.860 Nathan Wade

00:58:02.580 rather than

00:58:03.280 Fonnie Willis.

00:58:04.400 Yep.

00:58:04.920 And then,

00:58:05.340 but then eventually

00:58:06.180 she went

00:58:07.140 and the whole case went

00:58:08.560 and what a remarkable

00:58:09.780 ending, Phil.

00:58:10.740 You know,

00:58:10.920 it was like,

00:58:11.740 it's fun to walk back

00:58:12.660 to like how this

00:58:13.540 all went down

00:58:14.140 January and February.

00:58:14.820 Most of those clips

00:58:15.780 for the listening audience

00:58:16.700 were all from

00:58:17.400 January,

00:58:17.880 February 2004

00:58:18.740 leading up to

00:58:19.960 that announcement

00:58:20.480 at the end

00:58:20.960 December of 2004.

00:58:22.500 Sorry,

00:58:23.040 24 to 2024

00:58:24.320 that she'd been

00:58:27.040 disqualified

00:58:27.840 and,

00:58:28.420 you know,

00:58:28.720 she,

00:58:29.240 no one believed

00:58:29.740 it was going to happen.

00:58:30.300 I love that

00:58:30.860 New York Times

00:58:31.440 The Daily clip

00:58:32.280 where they're like,

00:58:33.540 yeah,

00:58:33.760 this is obviously

00:58:34.340 a long shot,

00:58:35.920 you know,

00:58:36.240 Hail Mary

00:58:37.100 by this weirdo

00:58:38.580 Ashley Merchant.

00:58:40.060 Like,

00:58:40.600 this isn't going

00:58:41.400 and everyone can see

00:58:42.440 it's not going anywhere

00:58:43.240 but I guess

00:58:43.560 we'll have to

00:58:44.000 entertain it a little.

00:58:46.580 Yeah,

00:58:47.060 so I go back to,

00:58:48.520 I remember like

00:58:49.260 the whole thing,

00:58:50.320 obviously,

00:58:50.820 but going back to,

00:58:51.620 let's say,

00:58:51.900 the day or the evening,

00:58:53.220 I guess,

00:58:53.600 of the grand jury

00:58:55.000 indictment,

00:58:55.640 I actually was out

00:58:56.540 doing a live remote

00:58:57.700 with Fox News

00:58:58.560 in front of the

00:58:59.220 Fulton County

00:58:59.820 courthouse

00:59:01.060 and,

00:59:01.760 you know,

00:59:02.300 she comes out,

00:59:03.300 Fannie Willis does,

00:59:04.060 and she has this

00:59:04.740 press conference

00:59:05.480 and she's in front 1.00

00:59:06.980 of this giant podium

00:59:08.040 and next to her

00:59:09.120 is,

00:59:10.460 among other people,

00:59:11.440 Nathan Wade

00:59:12.060 and I remember

00:59:12.640 thinking to myself,

00:59:13.820 what in the world

00:59:15.100 is going on here,

00:59:16.100 right?

00:59:16.880 Because I knew,

00:59:18.180 like,

00:59:18.640 I knew the guy,

00:59:19.620 I knew there was

00:59:20.180 something going on,

00:59:21.280 I mean,

00:59:21.700 it was kind of like

00:59:23.000 one of these things

00:59:23.640 that in my legal community,

00:59:24.800 everybody sort of knew

00:59:26.620 that these two

00:59:27.580 like were some kind

00:59:28.980 of an item

00:59:29.560 and so right then

00:59:31.860 on the spot,

00:59:32.860 it occurred to me,

00:59:33.900 I'm like,

00:59:34.220 this is going to be

00:59:35.720 a problem

00:59:36.260 and then,

00:59:36.900 of course,

00:59:37.200 fast forward to

00:59:38.140 the motion being filed

00:59:40.120 and the other revelations

00:59:41.320 that came out

00:59:42.040 through that motion

00:59:42.980 and then the testimony

00:59:44.440 and the things

00:59:45.400 we've learned subsequently,

00:59:47.280 it's just really remarkable

00:59:49.600 to think back

00:59:50.660 and think about

00:59:51.240 all the different

00:59:52.140 gyrations this case

00:59:53.820 has gone through

00:59:55.140 but I kind of suspected

00:59:56.680 the moment of the indictment

00:59:58.200 that this was going

00:59:58.900 to be a problem.

01:00:00.080 It's crazy,

01:00:01.020 like,

01:00:01.280 Ashley Merchant,

01:00:02.860 who's also part of

01:00:03.500 MK True Crime,

01:00:04.900 smelled a rat

01:00:06.060 and she continued

01:00:08.300 to follow that lead

01:00:09.400 that they were allegedly

01:00:10.320 having an affair

01:00:11.300 while he was married

01:00:12.540 and he was working

01:00:14.080 for her on the taxpayer dime

01:00:15.560 and was like a dog

01:00:16.800 with a bone

01:00:18.020 on that story,

01:00:19.260 she would not

01:00:19.900 let it go

01:00:21.080 and ultimately

01:00:22.540 got them both TQ'd.

01:00:24.740 Sorry,

01:00:25.300 I forgot to say,

01:00:26.180 you showed a picture

01:00:26.960 just a moment ago

01:00:27.840 of her,

01:00:29.300 Fannie Willis,

01:00:29.840 out with Nathan

01:00:31.240 at that press conference.

01:00:32.920 Look,

01:00:33.220 a confidential source

01:00:34.420 whose name is Ashley Merchant

01:00:35.780 tells me

01:00:36.520 that that giant podium there

01:00:39.760 was something

01:00:40.620 that she rented

01:00:41.960 especially for this occasion

01:00:44.620 and continued to rent it

01:00:45.820 thereafter

01:00:46.980 until eventually

01:00:47.760 one was purchased

01:00:48.500 and also that giant seal

01:00:49.880 that says district attorney

01:00:51.080 on it.

01:00:51.680 That was something

01:00:52.380 that was also,

01:00:53.360 as I understand,

01:00:54.100 was sort of custom made

01:00:55.640 for the occasion.

01:00:56.440 So the whole thing

01:00:57.060 just reeked with theatrics

01:00:58.300 from the beginning.

01:00:59.440 That's a great tidbit.

01:01:00.600 Wow,

01:01:00.900 the vanity.

01:01:01.700 I'm sure you did that too

01:01:02.560 when you were

01:01:03.000 Palm Beach DA,

01:01:04.300 Dave Ehrenberg.

01:01:05.000 Did you forget to do that

01:01:06.040 for yourself,

01:01:06.600 that self-aggrandizement?

01:01:08.560 No,

01:01:09.120 no,

01:01:09.480 no.

01:01:09.720 I used whatever furniture

01:01:11.380 was there

01:01:11.940 from my predecessor

01:01:13.000 like 10 years prior.

01:01:14.660 So no.

01:01:16.340 So what do you make

01:01:17.040 of this,

01:01:17.480 Dave?

01:01:17.600 So the official news

01:01:18.740 is that the whole case

01:01:20.140 is now gone

01:01:20.700 because they did appoint

01:01:22.260 a subsequent prosecutor.

01:01:23.840 Well,

01:01:24.120 it was basically this group,

01:01:25.140 the Prosecuting Attorneys

01:01:25.980 Council of Georgia,

01:01:27.040 which Phil told us

01:01:28.120 was exactly

01:01:28.680 who it would go to.

01:01:30.200 It's a nonpartisan group

01:01:31.180 to figure out

01:01:31.760 whether there's another prosecutor

01:01:33.160 who wants to take this case

01:01:34.960 and lo and behold,

01:01:36.540 the guy who took it,

01:01:37.420 Prosecutor Peter Skandalakis,

01:01:40.160 notified the judge,

01:01:42.440 Scott McAfee,

01:01:43.140 who we followed a lot

01:01:44.140 when he did that DQ hearing,

01:01:46.360 said,

01:01:46.700 we're not going to go forward

01:01:47.400 with this judge.

01:01:48.380 And now,

01:01:49.180 as a result of the judge saying,

01:01:50.420 okay,

01:01:51.220 it's out,

01:01:52.100 like all these defendants,

01:01:53.680 it's over,

01:01:54.640 right?

01:01:54.820 Like,

01:01:54.980 is it,

01:01:55.720 it can't be,

01:01:56.440 is it done with prejudice?

01:01:58.180 Like,

01:01:58.340 can they refile against Trump

01:02:00.180 and these other defendants?

01:02:01.320 And also,

01:02:02.160 my other question is,

01:02:03.380 what happens to the people

01:02:04.320 who copped pleas

01:02:05.260 like Sidney Powell,

01:02:07.720 Jenna Ellis,

01:02:08.420 and others?

01:02:09.980 Theoretically,

01:02:11.260 oh,

01:02:11.460 I'm sorry.

01:02:11.840 Oh,

01:02:12.020 Dave and then.

01:02:12.380 Actually,

01:02:13.020 well,

01:02:13.840 let me take that last part,

01:02:15.120 Phil,

01:02:15.260 and you can take the other part.

01:02:16.160 That last part,

01:02:16.900 I have some experience with

01:02:18.200 because it's up to the prosecutor.

01:02:21.000 The prosecutor could go back

01:02:22.200 and say,

01:02:22.820 you took a plea,

01:02:23.740 I'm now undoing the plea deal.

01:02:25.260 Remember the Robert Kraft case?

01:02:26.620 I had that case in Palm Beach County.

01:02:29.080 Well,

01:02:29.360 he fought those charges.

01:02:31.080 Yes,

01:02:32.020 yes,

01:02:32.400 and he fought those charges.

01:02:34.180 We got plea deals

01:02:35.220 from all these other guys

01:02:37.100 in advance,

01:02:37.680 and after Kraft was able

01:02:39.520 to win on appeal

01:02:41.260 and the judges said

01:02:42.680 they threw out all the video

01:02:43.740 and we said,

01:02:44.700 okay,

01:02:44.900 enough.

01:02:45.300 We can't pursue the case.

01:02:47.260 We went back

01:02:48.240 and then we undid the plea deals

01:02:50.100 with all the other defendants

01:02:51.380 saying,

01:02:52.080 you guys pled early,

01:02:53.780 you did the right thing,

01:02:54.680 and we're going to undo

01:02:56.300 the prosecution,

01:02:57.100 dismiss everything

01:02:57.860 because you shouldn't be penalized

01:02:59.680 for copying the plea deal

01:03:01.340 early on,

01:03:01.880 accepting responsibility.

01:03:02.840 And so it's up to the prosecutor here

01:03:04.660 to say,

01:03:05.360 you guys accept responsibility.

01:03:07.000 Why should we punish you

01:03:08.060 from doing,

01:03:09.160 in the prosecutor's mind,

01:03:10.320 the right thing early on?

01:03:11.840 So it's up to them,

01:03:13.140 but otherwise,

01:03:14.160 those plea deals stay.

01:03:16.420 They remain,

01:03:17.120 and I believe they can still

01:03:18.380 go after the other co-defendants.

01:03:19.980 I believe this ruling

01:03:20.980 only pertains to Trump,

01:03:22.700 and they will not be able

01:03:23.600 to file it again against Trump.

01:03:25.300 And I would also defer to Phil

01:03:26.680 because he knows Georgia law

01:03:28.000 better than I do.

01:03:29.300 Well,

01:03:29.460 so this,

01:03:30.220 it's called a null process.

01:03:31.860 That's Latin for dismissal,

01:03:33.780 and it applies to

01:03:34.800 every remaining defendant

01:03:36.080 who did not take a plea deal.

01:03:37.660 So all the cases

01:03:38.640 are officially dismissed,

01:03:39.880 not just Trump,

01:03:40.700 all of them.

01:03:41.760 Theoretically,

01:03:42.660 in Georgia,

01:03:43.400 after this null process

01:03:44.960 or this type of dismissal,

01:03:47.260 a charge can be re-brought

01:03:49.040 within six months.

01:03:50.360 However,

01:03:51.140 as we now have seen,

01:03:52.680 there's no other prosecutor

01:03:53.840 in the state of Georgia

01:03:54.820 that's able or willing

01:03:55.940 to take the case,

01:03:56.860 according to the

01:03:57.620 prosecuting attorney's counsel.

01:03:59.280 And let me just say,

01:03:59.880 Pete Scandalakis

01:04:00.700 is somebody I've known

01:04:01.780 professionally

01:04:02.680 for many,

01:04:03.520 many years.

01:04:04.820 He is,

01:04:06.060 I would say,

01:04:06.680 politically immoderate,

01:04:08.200 but he is always,

01:04:10.200 he's always struck me

01:04:10.960 as a straight shooter,

01:04:11.960 right?

01:04:12.160 He calls it

01:04:12.900 as he sees it.

01:04:13.920 And he wrote

01:04:14.500 a rather long opinion

01:04:15.600 that he filed

01:04:17.480 with this dismissal

01:04:18.680 that explained

01:04:19.320 his reasoning,

01:04:19.940 but at the end of the day,

01:04:21.480 it's just a matter of,

01:04:22.940 look,

01:04:23.180 he thinks this thing

01:04:24.300 needs some finality.

01:04:25.440 There's no other prosecutor

01:04:26.300 that wants to take it.

01:04:27.280 It's not feasible

01:04:27.960 for the PAC to do it,

01:04:30.140 even though they can.

01:04:31.020 So no other prosecutor

01:04:32.760 is able to do it.

01:04:33.760 No other prosecutor

01:04:34.380 can do it.

01:04:35.060 He's not going to appoint 0.88

01:04:36.160 another prosecutor.

01:04:37.520 He's already made

01:04:38.460 his decision.

01:04:40.300 So that six months

01:04:41.600 is just a hypothetical.

01:04:42.740 It's over.

01:04:43.360 It's not coming back.

01:04:44.360 There will be no

01:04:45.140 re-indictment

01:04:46.480 of this case

01:04:47.660 by any prosecutor.

01:04:48.660 As far as the ones

01:04:49.320 that have pled guilty,

01:04:51.220 you know,

01:04:51.420 a card laid

01:04:51.980 is a card played,

01:04:52.980 kind of like

01:04:53.720 as Dave was describing.

01:04:54.940 And if there were

01:04:56.700 a prosecutor

01:04:57.360 on the case

01:04:58.260 who were willing

01:04:59.640 to go back

01:05:00.580 and somehow

01:05:01.100 undo these things,

01:05:02.300 that might be a possibility.

01:05:03.680 But in Georgia,

01:05:04.620 there are very strict

01:05:05.320 time limits.

01:05:06.220 Those time limits

01:05:06.860 have long since passed.

01:05:08.400 Some of them

01:05:08.880 have actually,

01:05:09.760 I know of at least one,

01:05:10.800 maybe two,

01:05:11.280 that have actually tried

01:05:12.280 to withdraw the plea

01:05:13.760 and the trial judge

01:05:15.260 has denied it

01:05:16.080 according to Georgia law.

01:05:17.620 I think he was right

01:05:18.840 to do that.

01:05:19.480 But I think

01:05:20.640 that those people

01:05:21.760 will forever remain,

01:05:23.700 you know,

01:05:24.160 either convicted

01:05:24.840 or perhaps they'll get

01:05:26.240 their what's called

01:05:26.920 first offender discharge.

01:05:27.880 Yeah, when you plead,

01:05:28.520 you're convicted.

01:05:30.400 A plea is a conviction

01:05:31.420 of whatever they pled to,

01:05:33.600 a misdemeanor or felony.

01:05:34.700 I didn't go through them all.

01:05:35.800 Sidney Powell,

01:05:36.680 Jenna Ellis,

01:05:37.560 Kenneth Chesbrough,

01:05:39.600 and Scott Hall,

01:05:41.440 all of whom decided

01:05:42.200 to cut deals

01:05:42.900 to lesser charges.

01:05:45.280 That's really unfortunate

01:05:46.480 for them.

01:05:46.960 They should have put

01:05:47.540 their faith

01:05:48.060 in Ashley Merchant

01:05:49.380 but who knew?

01:05:50.460 She represented

01:05:51.120 one of the defendants,

01:05:53.440 not even Trump,

01:05:54.620 but she was a local lawyer 0.98

01:05:56.000 who knew the local courts,

01:05:58.480 the local players,

01:06:00.100 and knew Fannie Willis

01:06:01.820 a little too well

01:06:03.560 for Fannie Stace.

01:06:05.060 Fannie,

01:06:05.820 a man is not a plan 0.99

01:06:07.600 and you chose

01:06:08.780 the wrong man

01:06:09.760 to lay down with.

01:06:11.400 You got the fleas

01:06:12.500 and now everyone's free.

01:06:15.300 Okay,

01:06:15.760 let's keep going

01:06:16.920 because there's a couple

01:06:17.720 of other interesting cases

01:06:18.720 in the news today.

01:06:19.380 which is why

01:06:19.960 we brought you on.

01:06:21.720 The January 6th

01:06:23.840 pipe bomber.

01:06:25.620 So this has gotten

01:06:26.960 a fair amount of coverage

01:06:27.960 but not as much

01:06:28.860 because it happened

01:06:29.580 right before J6.

01:06:31.200 It actually happened

01:06:31.640 on J5.

01:06:32.420 I think this is when

01:06:33.320 the bombs were planted.

01:06:35.740 And this,

01:06:37.320 there was a very explosive,

01:06:38.940 pardon the pun,

01:06:40.060 report in The Blaze

01:06:41.540 recently on this case

01:06:43.320 which does not seem

01:06:46.240 to have held up.

01:06:47.320 And so the question

01:06:48.220 to you guys is

01:06:48.900 whether The Blaze

01:06:49.840 is about to be hit

01:06:50.620 with a massive defamation

01:06:51.740 lawsuit.

01:06:52.900 Here are the facts

01:06:53.980 as we know them.

01:06:55.420 The pipe bombs, 0.53

01:06:58.280 okay,

01:06:58.560 the FBI said

01:06:59.880 an unknown subject

01:07:00.900 placed pipe bombs

01:07:02.040 under a park bench

01:07:03.340 at the DNC

01:07:04.740 and the Capitol Hill Club

01:07:06.060 near the RNC building

01:07:07.480 between 7.54

01:07:08.860 and 8.16 p.m.

01:07:10.700 the night before

01:07:11.480 January 6th.

01:07:12.600 So January 5th.

01:07:14.160 Discovery of the devices

01:07:15.360 between 12.40

01:07:17.960 and 1.05 p.m.

01:07:19.300 respectively

01:07:19.760 the next day

01:07:20.600 on J6.

01:07:22.100 Drew already depleted

01:07:23.780 police resources

01:07:25.100 away from the Capitol.

01:07:27.340 The FBI released

01:07:28.560 the first photo

01:07:29.840 of the pipe bomber

01:07:30.740 on January 7th.

01:07:32.120 So they do have a picture

01:07:32.900 of this person

01:07:33.400 on surveillance cam

01:07:34.760 offering a $5,000 reward.

01:07:36.780 It later upped the reward

01:07:38.200 to $500,000.

01:07:40.240 The description of the person

01:07:41.440 is 5'7 with a face mask,

01:07:43.140 gray hooded sweatshirt,

01:07:44.140 dark pants, gloves,

01:07:45.600 distinctive black

01:07:46.300 and light gray

01:07:46.880 Nike Air Max

01:07:47.760 Speed Turf shoes.

01:07:49.520 The pipe bomber

01:07:50.240 sits on the DNC bench first

01:07:52.160 then walks away

01:07:52.820 for several minutes

01:07:53.540 then walks back

01:07:54.620 and plants the bomb,

01:07:55.940 does another several loops

01:07:56.980 near the RNC

01:07:57.860 and is believed

01:07:58.640 to have then

01:07:59.760 planted the bombs there.

01:08:00.900 Here we're showing

01:08:01.580 for the listening audience

01:08:02.960 screen grabs

01:08:03.840 at the same person

01:08:04.640 with what we now know

01:08:06.360 are bombs in a bag.

01:08:08.260 Very clear visuals

01:08:09.340 from a ring camera

01:08:11.060 in the alley

01:08:12.220 near the RNC

01:08:13.060 can be seen.

01:08:14.640 Now the blaze

01:08:15.500 just like two weeks ago

01:08:17.400 if, yeah,

01:08:18.140 right around there

01:08:18.820 with this big report

01:08:20.760 it was November 8th

01:08:21.960 by Steve Baker

01:08:22.940 and Joseph Hanneman.

01:08:24.700 A forensic analysis

01:08:25.980 of a female

01:08:27.280 former U.S. Capitol

01:08:28.460 police officer's

01:08:29.780 GATE

01:08:30.320 G-A-I-T 1.00

01:08:31.620 meaning the way

01:08:32.160 one walks

01:08:32.780 is a 94

01:08:34.240 to 98%

01:08:35.780 match

01:08:36.620 to the unique

01:08:37.860 stride

01:08:38.620 of the long-sought

01:08:39.940 J-6 pipe bomb suspect

01:08:41.360 according to a

01:08:42.480 Blaze News investigation

01:08:43.480 confirmed,

01:08:44.480 they say,

01:08:45.300 by several

01:08:45.780 intelligence sources.

01:08:47.680 A source close to

01:08:48.640 a congressional

01:08:49.540 investigation

01:08:50.180 of J-6

01:08:51.020 additionally told

01:08:51.900 Blaze News

01:08:52.480 evidence has emerged

01:08:53.600 recently that pointed

01:08:54.480 toward law enforcement

01:08:55.900 possibly being involved

01:08:57.480 in the planning

01:08:57.940 of the pipe bombs.

01:08:58.640 a software algorithm

01:09:01.500 that analyzes

01:09:02.600 walking parameters

01:09:03.660 including flexion,

01:09:06.060 hip extension,

01:09:07.220 speed,

01:09:07.840 step length,

01:09:08.480 cadence,

01:09:08.920 and variance

01:09:09.520 rated,

01:09:10.380 and I'm going to

01:09:10.860 skip her name

01:09:11.440 since we now

01:09:12.020 have serious reason

01:09:12.840 to believe she did

01:09:13.480 not do it,

01:09:14.600 of Alexandria,

01:09:15.440 Virginia,

01:09:16.220 a 94% match

01:09:18.040 to the bomb suspect

01:09:19.220 shown on video

01:09:20.260 from January 5th,

01:09:21.740 2021.

01:09:24.840 Now,

01:09:25.760 they name her,

01:09:26.960 they go through

01:09:27.680 how she broke 0.87

01:09:30.360 her leg once

01:09:31.140 and that's why

01:09:31.540 they think

01:09:31.940 her gate is off

01:09:33.580 as they believe

01:09:34.340 is true of the

01:09:35.200 J-6 pipe bomber

01:09:36.200 and yet

01:09:37.680 what we know now

01:09:39.540 is that

01:09:40.580 CBS News reporting

01:09:41.820 she has an alibi,

01:09:43.800 guys,

01:09:44.480 that this woman

01:09:45.140 they named

01:09:45.920 has an alibi

01:09:47.400 showing herself

01:09:49.120 on video

01:09:50.020 with her puppies

01:09:51.120 during exactly

01:09:52.660 the time

01:09:53.960 of the pipe bombs

01:09:55.880 being planted

01:09:58.080 and the blaze

01:10:00.460 has not taken down

01:10:02.180 its article,

01:10:03.860 remains online,

01:10:05.200 but they've added

01:10:06.460 the following updates.

01:10:08.880 One,

01:10:10.240 they point out

01:10:11.040 that an attorney

01:10:11.780 for the woman

01:10:12.460 told the Washington Post

01:10:15.060 that she categorically

01:10:17.000 denies that she

01:10:17.920 planted the pipe bombs.

01:10:19.620 Two,

01:10:20.780 they point out

01:10:21.620 they point out

01:10:22.440 the CBS News report

01:10:23.560 from November 25th

01:10:24.820 that the FBI

01:10:25.600 has ruled out

01:10:27.360 this person

01:10:28.900 as having any involvement

01:10:30.580 in the pipe bomb plot

01:10:31.880 citing three sources

01:10:33.800 who are not identified

01:10:34.640 and three,

01:10:36.240 they say according to CBS

01:10:37.520 the suspect

01:10:38.020 was cleared

01:10:39.040 after establishing

01:10:40.080 an alibi.

01:10:41.820 Blaze News

01:10:42.260 repeatedly requested

01:10:43.320 such evidence

01:10:43.940 from the FBI.

01:10:45.960 The FBI apparently

01:10:46.680 did not provide that.

01:10:48.600 So the blaze

01:10:49.300 is sort of,

01:10:50.380 Glenn Beck went on the air,

01:10:51.240 he would not name

01:10:52.200 this person

01:10:52.820 saying,

01:10:55.260 you know,

01:10:56.000 I don't know,

01:10:56.460 he wasn't comfortable

01:10:57.200 naming her,

01:10:57.920 but the blaze

01:10:58.580 did name her.

01:11:00.320 So this is like

01:11:01.140 every reporter's

01:11:02.180 worst nightmare

01:11:02.800 that you go out

01:11:04.380 on a limb

01:11:04.820 with something

01:11:05.360 this incendiary,

01:11:06.300 which is why

01:11:06.640 most of us

01:11:07.100 would not go out

01:11:07.820 on the air

01:11:08.080 with something

01:11:08.320 this incendiary

01:11:08.980 unless we had it

01:11:09.820 dead to rights.

01:11:12.380 And now the woman 0.98

01:11:13.000 is saying she has

01:11:13.520 an alibi

01:11:14.000 and you tell me,

01:11:15.100 Phil Houston,

01:11:15.680 whether a big old

01:11:16.560 defamation lawsuit

01:11:17.400 is coming.

01:11:18.720 Yeah,

01:11:19.240 it very well could be.

01:11:20.620 You know,

01:11:20.820 look,

01:11:21.580 you're the journalist

01:11:22.300 of the three of us.

01:11:24.220 I am not a journalist.

01:11:26.280 I'm simply a lawyer,

01:11:27.780 but I know

01:11:29.100 that there are things

01:11:30.440 called junk science,

01:11:32.080 for example,

01:11:32.620 that get

01:11:33.160 a lot of people

01:11:35.020 convicted wrongly

01:11:36.480 in America.

01:11:37.280 And so I know

01:11:38.220 that it's very dangerous

01:11:39.200 to use junk science

01:11:40.580 in a courtroom.

01:11:41.500 So it stands to reason

01:11:42.840 that it would be dangerous

01:11:43.900 to use

01:11:44.700 junk science

01:11:46.120 to name someone

01:11:47.620 as the perpetrator

01:11:48.800 of a crime

01:11:49.420 in a media report.

01:11:51.500 You know,

01:11:51.720 this GATE analysis,

01:11:53.600 it hasn't yet met

01:11:55.540 the standard

01:11:57.060 in the United States.

01:11:57.860 We would call that

01:11:58.440 the Dalbert standard.

01:11:59.500 It's the standard

01:12:00.340 for the admissibility

01:12:01.440 of scientific evidence.

01:12:03.180 But this stuff

01:12:04.560 has a very high,

01:12:06.300 you know,

01:12:08.060 I guess failure rate,

01:12:08.980 upwards of 30%

01:12:10.020 in real world settings.

01:12:11.900 And so you've got variables

01:12:13.540 such as lighting,

01:12:14.580 you've got temporary conditions

01:12:15.880 like someone might be

01:12:17.180 injured for the moment,

01:12:18.740 but then they walk

01:12:19.600 a different way later.

01:12:21.460 There's subjective

01:12:22.480 pieces of it

01:12:23.940 that can change

01:12:24.920 from one person

01:12:25.540 to the next

01:12:26.020 making this comparison.

01:12:27.300 And we don't know

01:12:28.020 what kind of source code

01:12:29.020 goes into this,

01:12:30.280 you know,

01:12:30.800 this software

01:12:31.380 that was used.

01:12:32.240 And so it's the kind

01:12:33.360 of thing that,

01:12:34.200 you know,

01:12:34.380 if you're law enforcement

01:12:35.260 and you want to use this

01:12:36.360 as maybe a tool

01:12:37.280 that might make a suggestion

01:12:38.680 as who you might

01:12:39.420 want to look at,

01:12:40.140 and then, you know,

01:12:41.300 you'd have to confirm it

01:12:42.340 and verify it

01:12:43.260 through some other

01:12:44.060 type of corroborative evidence.

01:12:46.420 But to use this

01:12:47.360 exclusively to name

01:12:48.940 a suspect

01:12:50.040 seems extremely reckless

01:12:51.700 in my opinion,

01:12:52.860 something I would not do.

01:12:54.140 And if I were a lawyer

01:12:54.940 representing a media company,

01:12:57.240 I would definitely say

01:12:58.540 do not do it

01:12:59.580 because the risk

01:13:01.060 of defamation

01:13:02.160 is extremely high.

01:13:03.880 Same.

01:13:04.400 Sorry I called you

01:13:04.940 Phil Houston.

01:13:05.640 That's my CIA

01:13:06.340 spy the lie guy,

01:13:07.280 but you're both

01:13:07.800 in the business

01:13:08.440 of truth detection.

01:13:10.140 Phil Holloway.

01:13:11.120 Similar.

01:13:11.840 Same initials.

01:13:13.320 Dave, what do you make of it?

01:13:15.920 You remember the name

01:13:16.940 Richard Jewell?

01:13:18.300 Yeah.

01:13:18.920 Yeah.

01:13:19.200 Yeah, he was

01:13:20.000 the security officer

01:13:22.220 who was blamed

01:13:22.840 for the Olympic Park bombing

01:13:24.120 and it was false.

01:13:26.160 Most people think

01:13:26.800 he still did it.

01:13:28.080 Most people still think

01:13:28.940 he did that.

01:13:30.060 Keep going.

01:13:30.700 Right.

01:13:31.440 No, and that's

01:13:32.260 the problem here.

01:13:33.480 The Blaze could have

01:13:34.420 retracted it

01:13:35.220 and mitigated

01:13:36.520 their damages,

01:13:37.580 but they didn't.

01:13:38.420 They're explaining it away.

01:13:40.260 And that opens

01:13:41.720 them up to punitives

01:13:42.700 because we know now

01:13:43.680 this is not the person

01:13:44.680 who did it

01:13:45.240 and they're still

01:13:46.700 going with the story,

01:13:47.680 although presenting,

01:13:48.580 you know,

01:13:48.720 both sides of it.

01:13:50.580 Here's the issue.

01:13:51.520 She's not a public figure,

01:13:52.700 so it's a much lower burden

01:13:54.380 to prove defamation.

01:13:56.560 And here,

01:13:57.600 you had

01:13:58.120 the Blaze

01:13:59.580 relying on

01:14:00.220 an unverified

01:14:01.400 draft memo

01:14:02.180 that came from

01:14:02.800 Tulsi Gabbard's department

01:14:03.880 along with

01:14:04.980 disputed software,

01:14:06.280 which Phil

01:14:06.840 correctly mentioned.

01:14:08.160 And the fact is

01:14:09.220 that the FBI

01:14:09.720 never charged her.

01:14:10.900 If the FBI

01:14:11.300 had charged her,

01:14:12.040 it would be a different story.

01:14:12.860 So you have all this stuff

01:14:13.800 that leads to

01:14:15.120 a potentially

01:14:15.680 massive defamation lawsuit.

01:14:17.340 And I don't know

01:14:17.640 why the Blaze

01:14:18.260 would continue

01:14:19.560 to go with this story

01:14:20.920 because now,

01:14:22.720 in doing so,

01:14:23.440 it's now opening

01:14:24.580 themselves up

01:14:25.180 to punitive damages.

01:14:26.160 It just keeps getting

01:14:26.820 worse for them.

01:14:27.300 Oh my God.

01:14:27.920 Well, I think,

01:14:29.100 I love the guys

01:14:29.840 at the Blaze

01:14:30.360 and I know them

01:14:31.080 to be honest reporters.

01:14:32.700 I think if this is wrong,

01:14:33.740 it's an honest mistake.

01:14:35.080 But I'm going to guess,

01:14:36.960 Phil,

01:14:37.100 without knowing,

01:14:38.040 the only reason

01:14:39.120 they would leave this up

01:14:39.840 is they still believe it.

01:14:41.280 That they,

01:14:42.020 you know,

01:14:42.260 that we say

01:14:42.920 it's an alibi video,

01:14:44.220 but they're saying

01:14:45.640 it hasn't been provided

01:14:46.420 to them by the FBI.

01:14:48.580 Maybe they're not

01:14:50.040 comfortable with

01:14:50.740 CBS's reporting

01:14:52.260 that it's

01:14:53.560 a legit video,

01:14:55.100 the timestamp

01:14:55.880 of which

01:14:56.420 is legit.

01:14:57.880 You know what I mean?

01:14:58.480 Like,

01:14:58.980 they haven't seen

01:14:59.580 it themselves.

01:15:00.520 And they didn't

01:15:01.320 make it up.

01:15:01.800 You mentioned

01:15:02.940 the Tulsi memo,

01:15:03.800 which is,

01:15:04.600 I guess,

01:15:05.380 important to

01:15:06.180 how they got here.

01:15:07.660 And that was,

01:15:08.560 as I understand it,

01:15:09.300 somebody in

01:15:10.140 the DNI's office,

01:15:12.340 Tulsi's office,

01:15:13.580 generated some memo

01:15:15.160 because someone

01:15:16.300 brought a tip to them,

01:15:17.280 is how I understand

01:15:17.840 it went down,

01:15:18.500 saying,

01:15:19.340 maybe it was this gal. 1.00

01:15:21.200 And since this gal

01:15:22.860 is still working

01:15:23.600 in the government,

01:15:24.640 they had some sort

01:15:25.520 of an obligation

01:15:26.280 to let her employer

01:15:27.540 know within the government,

01:15:29.300 yo,

01:15:30.580 this allegation

01:15:31.780 has come in

01:15:32.420 against your employee.

01:15:34.480 You know,

01:15:35.340 look into it

01:15:36.040 or we're looking into it

01:15:36.960 or the FBI

01:15:37.360 is looking into it

01:15:38.120 just in case.

01:15:39.180 Like,

01:15:39.860 if she really were

01:15:40.620 a pipe bomber,

01:15:41.340 it'd be something

01:15:41.740 that they'd want to know.

01:15:43.060 And I think

01:15:43.740 that's what somehow

01:15:44.540 got leaked

01:15:45.160 to the blaze.

01:15:46.340 But even Tulsi's

01:15:47.380 now distancing herself

01:15:48.320 from that,

01:15:48.880 saying,

01:15:49.340 I was out of the country

01:15:50.600 when that shit went down.

01:15:51.800 I don't,

01:15:52.100 I have nothing

01:15:52.600 to do with that.

01:15:54.080 And I don't,

01:15:55.660 like,

01:15:56.680 this is very scary

01:15:57.740 to me as a journalist

01:15:58.520 because to me

01:15:59.940 it feels like

01:16:00.340 they took

01:16:00.620 an unnecessary risk

01:16:01.660 and they're about

01:16:02.120 to get seriously burned.

01:16:04.220 Well,

01:16:04.720 yeah,

01:16:04.960 look,

01:16:05.360 if I'm,

01:16:06.100 I'm wondering

01:16:06.700 where the lawyers

01:16:07.780 are in this

01:16:08.360 because the blaze

01:16:10.140 obviously has counsel,

01:16:11.860 right?

01:16:12.380 All media organizations

01:16:13.760 have counsel

01:16:14.980 that this is their job

01:16:16.280 is to make sure

01:16:16.980 that their clients

01:16:18.320 don't get in trouble.

01:16:19.340 And,

01:16:19.720 you know,

01:16:19.920 I think that

01:16:20.720 any lawyer

01:16:22.340 would have to say,

01:16:23.800 you need to take this down,

01:16:25.120 issue a retraction,

01:16:26.140 do something.

01:16:26.660 As Dave mentioned,

01:16:27.740 there's a duty

01:16:28.280 to mitigate damages.

01:16:30.300 And so,

01:16:31.180 I wonder if it's the thing

01:16:32.420 where the client

01:16:33.360 is saying,

01:16:33.940 we're going to leave it up

01:16:34.720 over the objections

01:16:35.780 of our counsel

01:16:37.400 or maybe the counsel

01:16:38.940 has not,

01:16:39.760 you know,

01:16:40.300 said,

01:16:41.160 take it down.

01:16:41.780 I just don't understand

01:16:42.820 why it's still up.

01:16:44.040 we don't know.

01:16:44.820 Yeah,

01:16:44.980 exactly.

01:16:45.240 There may be something

01:16:45.860 that we don't know.

01:16:47.000 We're not privy

01:16:47.520 to these discussions.

01:16:48.060 we saw the story

01:16:49.080 because it was everywhere

01:16:49.900 when they first hit it.

01:16:51.080 And,

01:16:51.300 we contacted

01:16:52.920 some of our sources

01:16:53.700 in the government

01:16:54.220 and we were told,

01:16:56.160 stay away.

01:16:57.340 Like,

01:16:57.600 right away,

01:16:58.120 we were told,

01:16:59.000 don't touch it.

01:16:59.500 And we did not touch it.

01:17:01.780 And so,

01:17:02.620 I love the Blaze

01:17:03.460 and I hope they,

01:17:04.220 I hope they do the right thing

01:17:05.740 and I hope,

01:17:06.360 I don't want to see them

01:17:07.020 get sued,

01:17:07.520 but they're going to

01:17:09.120 if this was wrong.

01:17:10.280 Okay,

01:17:10.700 let's keep going.

01:17:11.740 So,

01:17:11.960 there's some interesting

01:17:12.740 information

01:17:13.800 coming out now

01:17:15.500 against

01:17:16.260 Jada Pinkett-Smith

01:17:18.300 and Will Smith.

01:17:20.220 A big old lawsuit.

01:17:22.220 This got,

01:17:22.980 like,

01:17:23.440 the stench

01:17:24.040 of some of the

01:17:24.600 crazy ditty lawsuits

01:17:25.740 around it,

01:17:26.780 some of which were valid

01:17:27.920 and some of which were

01:17:29.000 insane and completely

01:17:30.560 made up.

01:17:31.160 So,

01:17:31.320 you guys tell me

01:17:31.880 what you think

01:17:32.380 this one is.

01:17:34.440 Okay,

01:17:34.920 this is via the Daily Mail

01:17:35.860 people,

01:17:36.320 TMZ,

01:17:37.480 lots of them

01:17:38.360 are reporting on this.

01:17:39.640 There's a man named

01:17:40.740 Bilal Salam

01:17:42.900 who made a cameo

01:17:44.640 appearance in

01:17:45.240 Will Smith's

01:17:46.040 2000 movie

01:17:46.900 The Legend of

01:17:47.740 Bagger Vance

01:17:48.500 who describes himself,

01:17:50.620 this is him saying

01:17:51.620 about himself,

01:17:52.840 as a best friend

01:17:54.420 for nearly

01:17:54.900 40 years

01:17:56.640 of Will Smith.

01:17:58.020 Now,

01:17:58.240 I am being told

01:17:59.140 by a source

01:17:59.980 close to the case,

01:18:01.200 they are not

01:18:01.900 anything close

01:18:02.780 to best friends

01:18:03.480 nor are they

01:18:04.360 close at all.

01:18:05.380 Like,

01:18:05.640 they're not close.

01:18:06.300 so that this

01:18:07.460 is a glomer.

01:18:09.240 But he's filed

01:18:10.140 a lawsuit

01:18:10.580 in Los Angeles

01:18:11.140 Superior Court

01:18:11.860 seeking $3 million

01:18:14.080 and whenever I see

01:18:16.140 $3 million,

01:18:16.920 guys,

01:18:17.160 I think,

01:18:17.600 okay,

01:18:18.240 did someone

01:18:18.960 break your femur

01:18:20.620 or your skull?

01:18:23.140 You know,

01:18:23.400 do you have

01:18:23.680 permanent brain damage?

01:18:25.560 What is it?

01:18:26.480 No,

01:18:27.160 it's intentional

01:18:28.080 infliction of emotional

01:18:29.260 distress

01:18:29.680 and whenever I see

01:18:31.200 that claim,

01:18:31.900 I think,

01:18:32.840 money grab,

01:18:33.660 we need Mark Eiglars

01:18:34.420 and his $20 bill

01:18:35.420 that he likes

01:18:36.440 to hang

01:18:36.840 over the top

01:18:37.480 of the screen

01:18:37.920 and then grabbing it.

01:18:39.300 It's a money grab.

01:18:41.300 Intentional infliction

01:18:42.020 is a bullshit claim

01:18:43.340 in my view

01:18:44.480 and in many courts view

01:18:45.520 unless it's paired

01:18:47.280 with a serious

01:18:47.900 physical injury.

01:18:49.040 Otherwise,

01:18:49.440 I laugh at those claims.

01:18:50.900 Sorry,

01:18:51.580 Bilal Salaam,

01:18:52.460 I don't mean

01:18:52.920 to prejudge you.

01:18:54.480 Here's the other thing

01:18:55.360 that tells you

01:18:55.860 it's bullshit.

01:18:57.600 Do you guys know

01:18:58.360 what the other

01:18:58.720 big problem is

01:18:59.620 with his lawsuit

01:19:00.140 and how it's being handled

01:19:01.060 that tells us

01:19:01.580 it's bullshit?

01:19:01.800 Because he's doing it himself.

01:19:03.320 He doesn't have a lawyer.

01:19:04.040 There you go.

01:19:04.360 It's pro se.

01:19:04.860 Any lawyer with a brain

01:19:06.960 doesn't take this case.

01:19:08.520 So he's representing himself.

01:19:10.740 No bueno.

01:19:11.880 Okay,

01:19:12.320 but let's go through it

01:19:13.640 nonetheless.

01:19:14.940 He spoke to

01:19:16.040 the Daily Mail

01:19:17.400 after filing papers.

01:19:18.880 He said he is

01:19:19.320 seeking justice

01:19:20.280 for the atrocities

01:19:22.180 committed against him

01:19:23.260 by Will and Jada.

01:19:24.620 Atrocities,

01:19:25.200 I tell you.

01:19:26.220 He clarified that

01:19:27.060 while the three counts

01:19:27.780 target Jada,

01:19:29.480 he plans to file

01:19:30.280 against Will as well.

01:19:31.500 He alleges

01:19:33.880 she,

01:19:36.440 let's see,

01:19:37.620 her alleged actions,

01:19:39.120 which include

01:19:40.100 her and her emissaries,

01:19:42.500 included trying

01:19:43.120 to bribe,

01:19:43.820 intimidate,

01:19:44.280 and suppress him.

01:19:45.760 He says he suffered damages,

01:19:48.160 the complete derailment

01:19:49.500 of his personal life

01:19:50.280 and career.

01:19:51.380 He's suing Jada

01:19:52.240 for intentional infliction

01:19:53.240 because she denied

01:19:54.260 to TMZ

01:19:55.440 that she had ever

01:19:56.100 seen her husband

01:19:56.800 engage in sexual

01:19:57.960 or intimate behavior

01:19:59.200 with men.

01:20:01.100 Now we're getting to it.

01:20:02.700 He alleges that

01:20:03.660 Jada confronted him

01:20:04.600 in the lobby

01:20:05.100 of the Regency

01:20:05.880 Calabasas Commons

01:20:07.100 on September 25th, 2021

01:20:08.560 while he was at

01:20:09.760 a private birthday

01:20:10.360 celebration for Will Smith.

01:20:12.140 He alleges

01:20:12.780 Pinkett Smith,

01:20:13.640 Jada,

01:20:13.960 was accompanied

01:20:14.560 by approximately

01:20:15.200 seven members

01:20:15.840 of her entourage

01:20:16.560 during the confrontation.

01:20:18.300 He claims that

01:20:19.180 she became verbally

01:20:20.120 aggressive

01:20:20.760 and threatened him

01:20:22.020 by stating that

01:20:23.220 if he continued

01:20:23.800 telling her personal

01:20:25.400 business,

01:20:25.980 that's a quote,

01:20:26.820 he claims,

01:20:27.340 that he would

01:20:28.460 end up missing

01:20:29.680 or catch a bullet.

01:20:32.540 He also alleges

01:20:33.480 that she demanded

01:20:34.680 he sign a

01:20:35.300 non-disclosure agreement

01:20:36.220 or else,

01:20:36.980 or else.

01:20:38.320 After the alleged

01:20:39.220 incident,

01:20:39.820 Pinkett Smith's team

01:20:40.700 followed him

01:20:41.740 to his car,

01:20:42.300 he claims,

01:20:42.840 while continuing

01:20:43.560 to issue

01:20:44.200 verbal threats.

01:20:46.560 Six months later,

01:20:47.540 he claims there was

01:20:48.160 another,

01:20:48.920 another incident

01:20:50.340 where he refused

01:20:51.300 a request from

01:20:51.880 a mutual friend

01:20:52.500 to assist with

01:20:53.060 crisis management.

01:20:54.820 He thought

01:20:55.660 the tasks,

01:20:56.520 he was asked

01:20:57.120 to do

01:20:57.500 were illegal

01:20:58.240 and then he

01:20:59.540 started getting

01:20:59.980 threatened by them,

01:21:00.720 he said.

01:21:02.280 And it turns out

01:21:03.620 he was all this

01:21:04.360 while writing

01:21:04.940 a, quote,

01:21:05.520 whistleblower memoir.

01:21:07.860 My note reads,

01:21:08.720 oh, Lord.

01:21:11.380 Alleging that he

01:21:12.160 faced further threats

01:21:13.460 after that was

01:21:14.540 discovered.

01:21:16.880 He was supposed

01:21:17.660 to get $500,000

01:21:18.680 for it

01:21:19.440 and now

01:21:20.560 those hopes

01:21:21.140 have been destroyed

01:21:22.280 as a result

01:21:23.480 of the pressure

01:21:24.140 by these two.

01:21:25.780 Last but not least,

01:21:26.760 before I toss it

01:21:27.500 to you,

01:21:28.060 I'm sorry

01:21:28.560 I have to do it,

01:21:29.280 but I have to do it.

01:21:32.080 This plaintiff,

01:21:33.640 he went on

01:21:37.080 a podcast

01:21:37.540 called Unwind

01:21:38.880 with Tasha Kay

01:21:40.520 and in this

01:21:42.280 interview,

01:21:44.100 he alleged

01:21:44.460 something very,

01:21:45.160 very ugly

01:21:45.740 about Will Smith.

01:21:47.520 It's very,

01:21:48.360 very graphic.

01:21:49.160 It actually does

01:21:50.020 require a viewer

01:21:50.720 warning.

01:21:51.260 Please cover

01:21:52.000 the children's ears.

01:21:53.020 Turn down the sound

01:21:53.700 if they're with you

01:21:54.220 in the car,

01:21:54.680 moms and dads.

01:21:55.860 But here

01:21:56.460 is what he's saying

01:21:57.840 about Will Smith,

01:21:59.600 which I think

01:22:00.240 now he's claiming

01:22:01.100 Jada denied,

01:22:03.220 thus leading

01:22:03.680 to his emotional

01:22:04.540 distress.

01:22:05.540 Here,

01:22:05.980 watch.

01:22:06.820 Hide the kids. 0.84

01:22:08.420 So,

01:22:09.080 all right,

01:22:09.400 I opened the door

01:22:10.800 to Dwayne's

01:22:11.520 dressing room

01:22:12.120 and that's when

01:22:13.000 I see Dwayne

01:22:14.180 having anal sex 0.99

01:22:15.580 with Will.

01:22:17.900 Let me process

01:22:18.760 that for a second.

01:22:21.040 Who was on top?

01:22:22.580 It wasn't a top.

01:22:23.480 There was a couch

01:22:24.340 and Will was

01:22:25.980 bent over

01:22:26.440 on the couch

01:22:26.980 and Dwayne

01:22:27.440 was standing up

01:22:28.220 killing him.

01:22:29.120 Murder.

01:22:29.640 Like,

01:22:30.260 murder.

01:22:31.440 It was murdering it.

01:22:37.720 Okay.

01:22:38.660 What did you do?

01:22:40.700 I froze.

01:22:42.660 I'm not used

01:22:43.620 to seeing,

01:22:44.440 listen,

01:22:45.300 it's traumatizing.

01:22:48.140 I've never seen it.

01:22:49.220 I don't watch gay porn

01:22:50.340 and I finally said,

01:22:52.040 oh shit.

01:22:53.480 And they turned around

01:22:54.500 and said,

01:22:54.820 close the fucking door. 0.98

01:22:56.460 Right?

01:22:56.980 So,

01:22:57.400 I back out the door.

01:23:00.600 Okay.

01:23:01.160 Just the final thought.

01:23:02.240 Again,

01:23:02.740 I am told

01:23:04.560 by someone close

01:23:05.420 to the case,

01:23:06.260 this is a total money grab.

01:23:08.180 This is not a close

01:23:09.060 friend of theirs.

01:23:10.140 This guy's been trying

01:23:10.980 to hustle the family

01:23:11.920 for money

01:23:12.440 for years

01:23:13.520 and that there was

01:23:14.480 never a meeting

01:23:15.580 where Jada

01:23:16.940 or any of her friends

01:23:18.380 confronted

01:23:19.300 or threatened him

01:23:20.320 at all.

01:23:21.060 so there are

01:23:22.960 real questions

01:23:23.540 about whether

01:23:24.060 this guy

01:23:24.520 has any credibility

01:23:25.680 but he's filed

01:23:26.440 the lawsuit

01:23:26.920 and it's getting

01:23:27.620 a fair amount

01:23:28.100 of coverage

01:23:28.480 and attention.

01:23:29.320 What do you make

01:23:29.760 of it?

01:23:29.960 Dave,

01:23:30.120 I'll start

01:23:30.340 with you

01:23:30.560 on this one.

01:23:32.400 The strongest

01:23:33.260 allegation he has

01:23:34.620 is that Jada

01:23:35.700 threatened him

01:23:36.360 by saying,

01:23:36.960 you'll catch

01:23:37.720 a stray bullet.

01:23:39.080 But even if

01:23:39.880 that's to be believed

01:23:40.760 and I don't know

01:23:41.160 if I believe

01:23:41.500 anything this guy

01:23:42.160 says,

01:23:42.940 that allegation

01:23:44.060 is from

01:23:44.640 September 2021.

01:23:47.000 That's well

01:23:47.460 beyond the

01:23:48.000 statute of limitations

01:23:48.780 for intentional

01:23:49.580 affliction

01:23:50.060 of emotional

01:23:50.600 distress.

01:23:51.400 And this guy

01:23:51.880 would know that

01:23:52.380 if he had

01:23:52.720 actually hired

01:23:53.360 a lawyer.

01:23:53.980 But no lawyer

01:23:54.840 would want to

01:23:55.260 file this case

01:23:56.040 because it's

01:23:57.900 based on crazy

01:23:59.240 stuff.

01:23:59.680 Like, for example,

01:24:00.480 he says that

01:24:02.040 it's intentional

01:24:02.600 affliction of

01:24:03.640 emotional distress

01:24:04.340 because after

01:24:05.080 she said that

01:24:05.940 to him,

01:24:06.260 he gained

01:24:06.820 100 pounds.

01:24:08.140 Really?

01:24:08.760 You're going to

01:24:09.280 blame it on that?

01:24:10.880 No doctor's note.

01:24:12.280 He just says,

01:24:12.860 I gained 100 pounds.

01:24:13.240 Maybe it was the brownies. 0.99

01:24:14.020 I'm going to sue my mom

01:24:14.720 for intentional

01:24:15.340 affliction for those

01:24:16.200 middle school years.

01:24:17.900 Right, right, yeah.

01:24:18.780 Yeah, blame,

01:24:19.880 who are you going

01:24:20.200 to blame for

01:24:20.540 the freshman 15

01:24:21.540 when you go to

01:24:22.100 college, right?

01:24:22.760 I mean, it's silly.

01:24:25.620 Sam Adams.

01:24:28.420 Right, exactly.

01:24:30.540 You know, he's

01:24:30.980 claiming defamation.

01:24:33.580 What's a defamation?

01:24:34.540 He said that

01:24:35.300 Jada defamed him

01:24:36.320 by saying

01:24:37.180 she would sue him

01:24:38.820 for the sex comments

01:24:39.860 but never did.

01:24:40.820 That's not defamation.

01:24:42.240 So this is a

01:24:43.800 strategic move

01:24:44.860 to try to get money

01:24:45.880 from Jada

01:24:47.280 and Will Smith

01:24:48.200 and perhaps

01:24:49.340 to win

01:24:49.660 on the court

01:24:50.040 of public opinion

01:24:50.760 but so far

01:24:51.440 he's losing badly.

01:24:53.420 My feeling, Phil,

01:24:54.120 is that he's banking

01:24:55.740 that they would

01:24:57.100 pay money

01:24:57.720 to avoid

01:24:58.780 that soundbite

01:24:59.640 getting rerun

01:25:01.200 on this show

01:25:02.080 or Entertainment Tonight

01:25:03.040 or TMZ.

01:25:04.280 He thinks

01:25:04.980 they have enough money

01:25:05.740 and they care enough

01:25:06.580 about Will's reputation

01:25:07.740 that they would pay

01:25:09.140 to stop the airing

01:25:10.500 of these mere allegations

01:25:11.380 but these allegations

01:25:12.380 have been out there

01:25:12.900 for years

01:25:13.500 about these two.

01:25:14.240 If they paid off

01:25:15.300 anybody who was

01:25:16.000 alleging Will

01:25:17.460 was bisexual

01:25:18.980 or gay,

01:25:19.880 whatever,

01:25:20.540 they'd have no money left.

01:25:22.280 Yeah.

01:25:23.160 Well, Will Smith

01:25:24.180 and Jada Smith,

01:25:24.920 they have enough money

01:25:25.780 to hire good lawyers

01:25:27.080 to sue him

01:25:28.440 for defamation

01:25:29.660 and other things

01:25:30.540 unlike this guy

01:25:32.280 who apparently

01:25:33.140 could not find a lawyer

01:25:34.860 to take his case.

01:25:35.920 Normally these things

01:25:36.620 are taken on

01:25:37.280 a contingency basis

01:25:38.400 so any lawyer

01:25:39.540 with a brain

01:25:40.260 for all the reasons

01:25:41.640 Dave laid out

01:25:42.900 we just would not

01:25:43.800 want to touch this

01:25:44.760 with a 10-foot pole

01:25:45.860 because there's not

01:25:47.560 going to be any recovery.

01:25:48.540 Listen to what

01:25:49.060 has to be proven

01:25:50.200 and I actually

01:25:50.660 had to go back

01:25:51.220 and look this up

01:25:52.340 to make sure

01:25:52.800 I was remembering

01:25:53.520 this from law school

01:25:55.540 correctly

01:25:56.160 but this intentional

01:25:58.240 infliction

01:25:58.760 of emotional distress

01:25:59.760 requires that someone

01:26:02.000 intended the emotional distress

01:26:04.400 and the defendant's actions

01:26:05.660 must go beyond

01:26:06.700 all bounds

01:26:07.660 of decency

01:26:08.700 tolerated by society

01:26:10.460 often described

01:26:11.340 as shocking

01:26:12.340 or egregious

01:26:13.060 and then in addition

01:26:14.160 to that

01:26:14.740 the defendant's

01:26:16.000 alleged conduct

01:26:16.920 must be the actual

01:26:18.020 cause of the emotional distress

01:26:19.500 and it's got to be

01:26:20.380 severe emotional distress

01:26:22.200 not just hurt feelings

01:26:23.540 or anything like that.

01:26:24.540 Game to 100 pounds, Phil.

01:26:25.780 Oh, you know, look

01:26:26.680 it's got to be

01:26:27.500 serious

01:26:28.180 and of a nature

01:26:30.440 that no reasonable person

01:26:32.040 could be possibly

01:26:33.220 expected to endure it.

01:26:34.980 Now, so the things

01:26:36.820 that have to be proven

01:26:37.820 are a lot

01:26:39.240 and, you know,

01:26:40.220 you're going to have to have

01:26:41.040 some really solid evidence

01:26:42.420 not to mention the fact

01:26:43.460 that the claim is stale

01:26:44.540 it's old

01:26:45.080 but you've got to have

01:26:45.920 really solid evidence

01:26:47.060 and I'm sorry

01:26:48.080 but if you gained 100 pounds

01:26:49.580 it's going to be very difficult

01:26:50.960 to try to, you know,

01:26:52.220 pinpoint how that happened

01:26:53.620 not to mention the fact

01:26:55.300 that the conduct

01:26:55.960 on good authority

01:26:56.540 is going to be

01:26:57.020 against Aunt Jemima.

01:26:59.200 I wanted quickly

01:27:01.000 to touch on Luigi Mangione.

01:27:03.120 We reported the other day

01:27:04.280 on AM Update

01:27:04.800 he's been in court this week

01:27:06.120 trying to get the evidence

01:27:08.240 that was found

01:27:08.800 in his backpack

01:27:09.500 which included his 3D gun

01:27:11.380 a note that appears

01:27:13.160 to read like a confession

01:27:14.920 thrown out

01:27:17.440 because the cops

01:27:18.920 when they confronted him

01:27:19.840 in that McDonald's

01:27:20.920 searched the backpack

01:27:22.420 incident to the arrest

01:27:24.260 they arrested him

01:27:25.500 he hadn't yet been

01:27:26.300 read his Miranda rights

01:27:27.440 and when they arrested him

01:27:29.040 then they searched his backpack

01:27:30.900 but they actually questioned him

01:27:32.240 before reading him

01:27:32.920 as a Miranda

01:27:33.460 and he's claiming

01:27:34.960 that it was an invalid search

01:27:36.800 it was illegal

01:27:38.080 under his 4th Amendment rights

01:27:39.520 because it hadn't been Mirandized

01:27:41.200 I mean, now this is what

01:27:42.240 you did this

01:27:43.160 a lot of this stuff

01:27:43.900 for a living Dave

01:27:44.600 is he onto something?

01:27:46.260 How do you think

01:27:46.560 this judge is going to rule?

01:27:48.540 The judge is going to reject

01:27:50.320 this request

01:27:50.960 it's a normal request

01:27:52.220 by defense lawyers

01:27:53.000 to suppress key evidence

01:27:54.240 I don't blame his

01:27:55.480 very fine lawyers

01:27:56.300 for trying

01:27:56.920 but they're not going

01:27:57.700 to win on this

01:27:58.400 there is something called

01:28:00.100 a search incident to arrest

01:28:01.420 as you mentioned

01:28:01.900 which is an exception

01:28:02.700 to the warrant rule

01:28:03.500 when you arrest someone

01:28:04.280 you can search around him

01:28:05.640 what they're saying is

01:28:06.520 is that well

01:28:07.360 he was handcuffed

01:28:08.120 so he had no access

01:28:09.780 to his backpack

01:28:10.560 it shouldn't have been a threat

01:28:11.720 yeah, but if it's on his

01:28:13.680 or next to his person

01:28:14.580 they can still search it

01:28:15.760 then they say

01:28:16.560 well, maybe it was

01:28:17.400 it was searched

01:28:18.660 before the arrest

01:28:19.620 now, if that's the case

01:28:21.120 they have a little better

01:28:21.940 argument

01:28:22.520 but apparently

01:28:23.120 everything I've read

01:28:23.840 said it was searched

01:28:24.720 incident to the arrest

01:28:25.640 as part of the arrest

01:28:26.440 but even if it was searched

01:28:28.060 prior to the arrest

01:28:28.980 they could get away with it

01:28:30.240 because exigent circumstances

01:28:31.900 or they have a right

01:28:33.720 to stop and frisk him

01:28:34.720 and it could relate

01:28:35.660 to the backpack

01:28:36.260 after all

01:28:36.880 he has been alleged

01:28:37.960 to murder someone

01:28:39.220 and they're on high alert

01:28:40.320 they don't want

01:28:41.020 this guy to pull out

01:28:42.120 a device

01:28:42.660 a gun

01:28:43.420 or have a bomb

01:28:44.260 in his backpack

01:28:45.160 so there are many reasons

01:28:47.120 why you don't need

01:28:47.940 a warrant there

01:28:48.640 so it's a noble try

01:28:50.140 by the defense lawyers

01:28:50.920 but it's not going to work

01:28:51.820 how about all the questioning

01:28:53.440 before they actually

01:28:54.740 read him as Miranda rights

01:28:55.920 Phil?

01:28:56.820 yeah, this is a common

01:28:57.980 misperception

01:28:58.700 we all grow up

01:28:59.440 watching crime shows

01:29:00.480 and you see

01:29:01.520 you know

01:29:01.940 you got the right

01:29:03.340 to remain silent

01:29:04.120 and all that

01:29:04.720 as soon as the cuffs go on

01:29:06.080 so people assume

01:29:07.060 that you have to read

01:29:08.780 Miranda rights

01:29:09.640 otherwise the case

01:29:10.820 gets thrown out

01:29:11.500 but it's not true

01:29:12.280 Miranda only applies

01:29:14.060 to what we call

01:29:14.660 a custodial interrogation

01:29:16.860 so number one

01:29:17.520 the person's got to be

01:29:18.380 in custody

01:29:19.000 and two

01:29:19.800 it's got to be

01:29:20.420 an interrogation

01:29:21.340 questioning by the police

01:29:22.480 think about every time

01:29:23.640 you get pulled over

01:29:24.400 for speeding

01:29:24.900 the cops can come up to you

01:29:26.520 they can ask you questions

01:29:27.820 do you know

01:29:28.200 why are you speeding

01:29:29.180 and all this kind of stuff

01:29:30.000 they don't have to read you

01:29:31.200 your rights

01:29:31.780 simply because

01:29:32.560 they are doing

01:29:33.360 an investigative

01:29:34.660 type of stop

01:29:35.740 so this is

01:29:37.640 much ado

01:29:38.380 about nothing

01:29:39.300 there's nothing wrong

01:29:40.440 with the questions

01:29:41.200 that were asked

01:29:41.980 prior to the handcuffs

01:29:43.440 going on

01:29:44.020 there's nothing wrong

01:29:45.160 with the search

01:29:45.880 there's nothing wrong

01:29:46.840 with the questioning

01:29:48.180 that was done

01:29:48.860 after the Miranda rights

01:29:50.280 because after all

01:29:50.940 he committed a state law crime

01:29:52.980 by providing a false name

01:29:54.460 to these officers

01:29:55.200 so I see no problem with it

01:29:57.840 and like Dave said

01:29:59.020 defense lawyers

01:30:00.600 they need to do this

01:30:01.960 this is part of being

01:30:02.780 a zealous advocate

01:30:03.780 but just because

01:30:04.820 they raised the claim

01:30:05.860 doesn't mean

01:30:06.500 it's going to be valid

01:30:07.520 there's all sorts of reasons

01:30:08.940 a judge would deny

01:30:09.860 their claims

01:30:10.460 and even if they

01:30:11.960 did something wrong

01:30:13.280 that Dave and I

01:30:14.000 have missed

01:30:14.520 there's something in the law

01:30:15.860 known as inevitable discovery

01:30:17.620 an appellate court

01:30:18.440 would say that

01:30:19.180 no matter what

01:30:20.140 they would have

01:30:21.020 eventually searched

01:30:22.060 this bag

01:30:22.980 and found this stuff

01:30:24.560 as part of the

01:30:25.640 inventory process

01:30:27.580 you've got to inventory

01:30:28.520 someone's belongings

01:30:28.980 that was the inevitable

01:30:29.420 discovery rule

01:30:30.200 was what I argued

01:30:31.440 my

01:30:31.800 they called it

01:30:33.780 senior prize trials

01:30:35.000 in my law school

01:30:35.640 competition that we won

01:30:37.040 on inevitable discovery

01:30:39.240 and by the way

01:30:39.820 they did teach us

01:30:40.540 in criminal procedure

01:30:41.320 if you ever get arrested

01:30:42.580 and you want to assert

01:30:43.560 your fifth amendment rights

01:30:44.420 which you should

01:30:45.000 to a lawyer

01:30:45.640 you should say

01:30:46.740 I assert my fifth

01:30:47.660 and sixth amendment

01:30:48.780 rights to counsel

01:30:49.740 there's a whole reason

01:30:50.960 for doing that in the lobby

01:30:51.700 you should say both

01:30:52.480 mention both amendments

01:30:53.500 and that will really impress

01:30:54.740 your arresting officer

01:30:55.740 in one of the many

01:30:57.440 many times

01:30:58.140 Phil assumes

01:30:58.660 you've been pulled over

01:30:59.460 by the cops

01:31:00.240 I love that

01:31:01.400 you know

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01:31:02.900 I mean there have been

01:31:04.000 a couple

01:31:04.280 I'm not going to lie

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01:33:53.920 and on the Sirius XM app

01:33:55.380 earlier this week

01:34:01.680 I reposted on X

01:34:04.460 a horrifying video

01:34:05.960 of

01:34:07.060 she's not my friend

01:34:09.220 but she's a dear friend

01:34:10.660 of my friend

01:34:11.720 and she was

01:34:13.060 violently attacked

01:34:14.520 on the streets

01:34:15.240 of New York City

01:34:15.920 in broad daylight

01:34:16.880 this is an NYU student

01:34:18.420 named Amelia Lewis

01:34:20.080 she was walking

01:34:21.400 to class

01:34:21.900 around 920

01:34:23.160 in the morning

01:34:23.940 on Monday

01:34:24.860 just a couple days ago

01:34:26.060 when a man came 0.84

01:34:27.480 up from behind

01:34:28.460 struck her

01:34:29.400 and yanked her 0.99

01:34:30.780 to the ground

01:34:31.500 by her hair

01:34:32.060 let me tell you

01:34:32.500 what happened here

01:34:33.020 my dear friend

01:34:34.920 is the mother

01:34:37.080 of Amelia's

01:34:38.860 best friend

01:34:39.640 at NYU

01:34:40.520 and so my friend

01:34:42.180 Nancy

01:34:42.600 texted me the video

01:34:44.300 of Amelia

01:34:45.320 talking about this

01:34:46.700 on TikTok

01:34:47.100 she went on TikTok

01:34:47.800 immediately

01:34:48.280 and was upset

01:34:49.100 I'm like

01:34:49.620 what is this

01:34:50.400 she said

01:34:51.260 it just happened

01:34:51.880 this is outrageous

01:34:52.480 I'm like

01:34:52.760 this is outrageous

01:34:53.520 I said

01:34:53.880 is she on X

01:34:54.860 you know

01:34:55.780 I'm not personally

01:34:57.080 on TikTok

01:34:57.540 our show is on TikTok

01:34:58.600 but I'm not

01:34:59.360 personally on there

01:34:59.860 and she's like

01:35:01.600 she's not

01:35:01.920 I'm like

01:35:02.160 tell her to get on X 0.99

01:35:03.120 so she went over

01:35:03.920 she created an account

01:35:05.000 on X

01:35:05.420 and tweeted the video

01:35:06.400 she has a new account

01:35:08.200 I retweeted it

01:35:09.400 calling attention to it

01:35:10.720 saying we need help

01:35:11.840 identifying this guy

01:35:12.800 and can I tell you

01:35:13.960 what happened

01:35:14.320 the X

01:35:15.120 army

01:35:15.700 went to work

01:35:16.840 I tagged

01:35:18.180 the NYPD

01:35:19.600 and the NYPD

01:35:21.180 police chief

01:35:22.480 and then some other

01:35:23.500 people I know

01:35:24.120 who are very connected

01:35:24.900 to NYPD

01:35:25.660 retweeted it

01:35:26.740 and added other CC's

01:35:28.080 who they knew

01:35:28.600 would pay attention

01:35:29.280 and this thing

01:35:30.420 started to go viral

01:35:31.320 online on Monday

01:35:32.320 and guess what

01:35:33.840 police

01:35:35.020 confirmed

01:35:36.160 late yesterday

01:35:36.900 the arrest

01:35:37.820 of 45 year old

01:35:39.760 James Rizzo

01:35:41.060 who has been charged

01:35:42.340 with persistent

01:35:43.260 sexual abuse

01:35:44.540 forcible touching

01:35:45.840 and assault

01:35:46.940 and now we're learning

01:35:48.400 even more about this guy's

01:35:49.540 deeply disturbing history

01:35:50.600 16 prior arrests

01:35:52.780 a two year sentence

01:35:54.140 for persistent

01:35:54.960 sexual abuse

01:35:56.060 and even in 1997

01:35:57.980 murder charge

01:35:59.720 Amelia Lewis joins me now

01:36:02.380 and also we've brought in

01:36:04.500 Summer Armstrong

01:36:05.160 who is my family friend

01:36:06.800 and also her mother's

01:36:07.680 my dear dear friend

01:36:08.400 who helped obtain

01:36:09.560 the footage

01:36:10.240 of Amelia's attack

01:36:11.700 both NYU students

01:36:13.000 and Summer

01:36:14.020 was also assaulted

01:36:15.280 herself in New York

01:36:16.500 last May

01:36:17.520 gals

01:36:18.700 welcome to the show

01:36:19.500 it's great to have you

01:36:20.620 hi thank you so much

01:36:23.020 for having us

01:36:23.820 of course

01:36:24.760 oh my god

01:36:25.240 I'm like

01:36:25.700 this is like

01:36:26.480 a horrifying story

01:36:27.500 but it's also kind of

01:36:28.360 uplifting

01:36:28.820 in its own way

01:36:30.080 so I'm gonna start

01:36:30.720 with you Amelia

01:36:31.260 what

01:36:32.720 so you're walking

01:36:33.340 down the street

01:36:33.760 on Monday morning

01:36:34.320 this is the first day

01:36:35.040 back from Thanksgiving

01:36:35.740 you're in a good mood

01:36:36.800 I assume

01:36:37.300 as you've been

01:36:37.740 with your family

01:36:38.400 and how did you

01:36:40.580 experience

01:36:41.100 we'll show the video

01:36:42.000 but how did you

01:36:42.900 experience this attack

01:36:43.940 yeah as you said

01:36:46.020 it was Monday morning

01:36:47.360 about 9 20 a.m.

01:36:49.340 I was crossing the street

01:36:51.020 walking up south

01:36:52.940 of Broadway

01:36:54.140 right by Waverly Place

01:36:55.800 and in broad daylight

01:36:57.640 I felt a extremely painful

01:37:00.240 and hard whack 1.00

01:37:01.580 to my butt 0.95

01:37:02.640 and then I turned around

01:37:04.620 and was shocked

01:37:05.400 to see a middle-aged man

01:37:06.920 and he proceeded

01:37:08.380 to grab my hair

01:37:09.520 and violently

01:37:10.640 and forcefully

01:37:11.620 throw me to the ground

01:37:12.740 you were you totally

01:37:15.480 shocked

01:37:16.320 like you had

01:37:16.740 did you have any idea

01:37:17.640 you were in danger

01:37:18.280 as you were walking

01:37:19.020 I had no idea

01:37:21.400 as you can see

01:37:23.040 in the clip

01:37:23.460 that you're gonna show

01:37:24.320 he targets me

01:37:25.920 and follows me

01:37:26.660 from behind

01:37:27.240 so there was

01:37:28.620 no way I could have

01:37:29.980 seen it

01:37:30.680 okay so just for

01:37:32.380 the listening audience

01:37:33.060 we're seeing a street cam

01:37:35.000 and people are walking

01:37:36.880 now here comes Amelia

01:37:38.360 she circled

01:37:39.300 she circled herself

01:37:40.120 helpfully on this video

01:37:41.120 she's got her jeans on

01:37:41.960 she's walking

01:37:42.460 she's got his headphones on

01:37:43.440 there's a man coming up

01:37:44.360 he's running

01:37:45.060 to catch up with her

01:37:46.040 he wails her

01:37:47.760 from behind

01:37:48.440 she turns around in shock

01:37:49.520 and then you can see her

01:37:50.220 go down

01:37:50.900 you see all

01:37:52.140 what's one two three

01:37:53.040 four five

01:37:53.820 six women 1.00

01:37:54.960 on the sidewalk

01:37:55.840 stunned

01:37:57.080 stunned

01:37:57.940 at what just happened to you

01:37:59.640 and then like lovely

01:38:00.880 New York women

01:38:01.740 come over to help you

01:38:02.800 which is sweet

01:38:03.680 and I understand

01:38:04.080 there was a man

01:38:04.600 who came to help you too

01:38:05.400 so what happened

01:38:06.520 like where did he hit you

01:38:08.060 Amelia

01:38:08.300 so he initially

01:38:10.460 first hit me

01:38:11.240 on the left side

01:38:12.080 of my butt 0.95

01:38:12.640 extremely hard

01:38:14.580 and then

01:38:15.200 after that

01:38:16.180 it's when he

01:38:17.020 pulled my hair

01:38:17.620 to the ground

01:38:18.160 after that

01:38:20.260 say it again

01:38:20.760 he pulled my hair

01:38:22.580 to the ground

01:38:23.120 oh

01:38:24.100 and then just ran

01:38:25.520 ran

01:38:26.960 so did you get

01:38:28.860 a good look at him

01:38:29.540 I only got

01:38:32.020 a look

01:38:32.480 at him

01:38:32.900 for like

01:38:33.800 a quick second

01:38:34.780 I only could see

01:38:35.820 that he had

01:38:36.460 a beard

01:38:36.980 and long hair

01:38:38.340 and I could tell

01:38:39.240 that he was

01:38:39.840 a white

01:38:40.560 older male

01:38:41.340 and

01:38:42.380 but after that

01:38:43.500 he threw me

01:38:44.120 to the ground

01:38:44.600 and I'm in shock

01:38:45.660 I just kind of

01:38:46.260 laid there

01:38:46.640 for a bit

01:38:47.180 okay

01:38:48.140 and what happened

01:38:49.280 with the passersby

01:38:50.440 so I could tell

01:38:53.440 that they were

01:38:54.060 also in shock

01:38:55.040 they kind of

01:38:55.500 stood there

01:38:55.920 and stared at me

01:38:56.640 for a second

01:38:57.280 but

01:38:57.860 after a bit

01:38:59.080 they came

01:38:59.560 and lifted me

01:39:00.160 off the ground

01:39:00.760 and kept asking

01:39:01.520 like are you

01:39:02.200 okay

01:39:02.540 are you okay

01:39:03.280 they asked

01:39:04.020 if I knew

01:39:04.900 this man

01:39:05.480 which I said

01:39:06.140 I do not

01:39:07.100 and then

01:39:07.700 later on

01:39:08.800 a man

01:39:09.600 helped me

01:39:10.060 call 911

01:39:10.720 and what made

01:39:13.160 you go

01:39:13.760 on

01:39:14.720 TikTok

01:39:15.440 shortly thereafter

01:39:17.000 and post your

01:39:17.760 reaction

01:39:18.140 um

01:39:19.760 I really wanted

01:39:21.140 to bring awareness

01:39:21.800 to the stuff

01:39:22.780 that has been

01:39:24.180 happening to young

01:39:24.920 women in New York

01:39:25.560 City

01:39:25.840 I've heard so many

01:39:27.220 stories

01:39:27.740 and on my

01:39:28.360 TikTok

01:39:28.600 I say

01:39:29.160 I never thought

01:39:30.380 that this would

01:39:30.920 happen to me

01:39:31.600 but it's really sad

01:39:32.740 this is something

01:39:33.520 that happens

01:39:34.140 all the time

01:39:34.680 in New York

01:39:35.140 and I really

01:39:36.340 want to make sure

01:39:37.060 and use my voice

01:39:38.000 to raise awareness

01:39:40.460 and help other

01:39:41.420 girls stay protected 0.92

01:39:42.360 and also help

01:39:43.200 other girls 0.95

01:39:43.700 that have maybe

01:39:44.500 gone through

01:39:44.980 the same experience

01:39:45.780 as I

01:39:46.200 because this

01:39:47.720 has been happening

01:39:48.860 over and

01:39:50.540 over and

01:39:52.000 over

01:39:52.700 to young

01:39:53.980 women in New York

01:39:55.300 the stories

01:39:56.200 are leeching

01:39:57.520 they go on

01:39:58.220 and on

01:39:58.400 and you were

01:39:58.760 aware of that

01:39:59.420 yes

01:40:00.780 I mean

01:40:01.720 the news

01:40:02.200 on TikTok

01:40:02.760 some

01:40:03.820 a woman 0.57

01:40:04.300 was just

01:40:04.920 thrown with

01:40:06.360 gas

01:40:06.660 gasoline

01:40:07.400 and set

01:40:07.740 on fire

01:40:08.260 the stories

01:40:09.000 are insane

01:40:10.020 and

01:40:10.620 it's horrific

01:40:11.940 yeah

01:40:13.100 so

01:40:13.560 this isn't

01:40:14.600 like

01:40:14.840 when you go

01:40:15.660 to NYU

01:40:16.120 your campus

01:40:17.200 is New York

01:40:17.940 City

01:40:18.160 so it's not

01:40:18.780 like

01:40:18.980 you're not

01:40:19.640 on campus

01:40:20.240 exactly

01:40:20.740 it's a public

01:40:21.660 street

01:40:22.160 but you

01:40:22.880 were on

01:40:23.220 your way

01:40:23.500 to class

01:40:24.100 and so

01:40:24.620 it's a place

01:40:25.500 where you

01:40:25.740 would expect

01:40:26.200 to be safe

01:40:26.980 so you

01:40:27.780 decide

01:40:28.280 after this

01:40:28.940 happens

01:40:29.260 you did

01:40:29.860 decide

01:40:30.140 to call

01:40:30.400 the cops

01:40:30.820 to your

01:40:31.500 credit

01:40:31.720 because a lot

01:40:32.100 of women

01:40:32.360 would not

01:40:32.680 have done

01:40:32.920 that

01:40:33.140 yes

01:40:35.240 exactly

01:40:35.700 I

01:40:36.320 first was

01:40:37.160 in shock

01:40:37.660 and didn't

01:40:38.020 know what

01:40:38.280 to do

01:40:38.600 but after

01:40:39.120 the man

01:40:39.500 approached

01:40:39.840 me

01:40:40.160 holding his

01:40:41.060 phone with

01:40:41.420 911

01:40:41.760 I decided

01:40:42.400 to call

01:40:42.680 the cops

01:40:43.240 just because

01:40:44.360 I wanted

01:40:45.560 to report

01:40:46.060 this

01:40:46.440 and after

01:40:47.120 I did

01:40:47.520 tell the

01:40:47.880 cops

01:40:48.120 I decided

01:40:48.580 to also

01:40:49.000 let NYU

01:40:49.680 security

01:40:50.140 know

01:40:50.460 so they

01:40:50.860 could alert

01:40:51.460 other students

01:40:52.600 around campus

01:40:53.320 to let them

01:40:53.820 know that

01:40:54.140 this man

01:40:54.560 is going

01:40:55.040 around

01:40:55.400 doing this

01:40:55.880 to other

01:40:56.180 women 1.00

01:40:56.460 and what

01:40:58.240 were your

01:40:58.620 hopes that

01:40:59.220 the NYPD

01:41:00.000 was actually

01:41:00.600 going to hunt

01:41:01.180 down this

01:41:01.660 man and

01:41:02.360 find him

01:41:02.900 at that

01:41:03.640 point

01:41:03.900 I was

01:41:07.300 I had

01:41:08.500 high hopes

01:41:09.140 they were

01:41:09.360 very understanding

01:41:10.140 and kind

01:41:10.740 and they were

01:41:11.180 also told me

01:41:11.920 that they were

01:41:12.340 already aware

01:41:13.100 of the man

01:41:13.820 and the blue

01:41:14.840 towel around

01:41:15.420 his neck

01:41:16.040 running around

01:41:16.960 the city

01:41:17.380 and getting

01:41:17.860 this guy

01:41:18.400 but I

01:41:19.440 definitely

01:41:19.820 think because

01:41:20.580 of your

01:41:20.980 platform

01:41:21.520 and also

01:41:22.080 X

01:41:22.540 it helped

01:41:23.540 really

01:41:23.960 put pressure

01:41:25.340 on them

01:41:25.840 to really

01:41:26.580 find this

01:41:27.280 guy

01:41:27.620 and work

01:41:28.380 quickly

01:41:28.840 so even

01:41:30.040 though I

01:41:30.300 had hopes

01:41:31.360 that they

01:41:31.780 would find

01:41:32.140 this guy

01:41:32.600 I really

01:41:32.980 don't know

01:41:33.640 if this

01:41:34.100 would get

01:41:34.600 as much

01:41:34.980 attention

01:41:35.340 as it

01:41:35.680 did

01:41:35.860 if it

01:41:36.120 wasn't

01:41:36.340 for X

01:41:36.820 and also

01:41:37.240 for Summer

01:41:37.800 going and

01:41:38.660 getting the

01:41:39.020 footage

01:41:39.380 so that's

01:41:41.100 key

01:41:41.720 because even

01:41:43.060 if I had

01:41:43.480 posted it

01:41:44.000 to X

01:41:44.440 and retweeted

01:41:45.360 your tearful

01:41:46.520 testimonial

01:41:47.380 it would

01:41:48.180 have been

01:41:48.400 different

01:41:48.700 without the

01:41:49.240 actual video

01:41:49.980 of the

01:41:50.380 assault

01:41:50.700 and that's

01:41:51.040 where Summer

01:41:51.380 comes in

01:41:51.900 Summer

01:41:52.180 you and

01:41:53.740 Amelia are 0.87

01:41:54.220 dear friends

01:41:54.940 what made

01:41:56.040 you think

01:41:56.560 to go

01:41:57.300 to the

01:41:57.740 store

01:41:58.060 to say

01:41:58.540 do you

01:41:59.140 have

01:41:59.360 video

01:41:59.680 of this

01:42:00.140 I mean

01:42:02.000 right when

01:42:02.720 I got

01:42:03.060 Amelia's

01:42:03.640 text

01:42:03.960 I was

01:42:04.480 in class

01:42:05.180 and I

01:42:05.980 got a

01:42:06.360 horrible

01:42:06.800 sinking

01:42:07.780 gut feeling

01:42:08.520 because this

01:42:09.420 also happened

01:42:10.080 to me

01:42:10.420 and I

01:42:12.220 was lucky

01:42:12.760 enough to

01:42:13.100 have footage

01:42:13.680 in my

01:42:14.120 case

01:42:14.540 unfortunately

01:42:15.600 my assailant

01:42:16.700 was not

01:42:17.080 caught

01:42:17.400 but I

01:42:18.560 knew that

01:42:18.960 footage

01:42:19.520 is key

01:42:20.120 in this

01:42:20.660 and I

01:42:21.040 knew that

01:42:21.480 it was

01:42:21.760 in front

01:42:22.540 of stores

01:42:23.060 and so

01:42:23.720 my first

01:42:24.220 thought was

01:42:24.680 we need

01:42:25.000 to get

01:42:25.200 this footage

01:42:25.740 and we

01:42:26.040 need to

01:42:26.280 catch

01:42:26.500 this guy

01:42:26.940 so was

01:42:28.240 it a

01:42:28.440 liquor

01:42:28.600 store

01:42:28.940 you got

01:42:29.300 it from

01:42:29.580 whose

01:42:29.820 camera

01:42:30.280 captured

01:42:30.720 it

01:42:30.980 yeah

01:42:31.860 warehouse

01:42:32.580 wine and

01:42:33.080 spirits

01:42:33.520 on

01:42:33.880 Broadway

01:42:34.260 did you

01:42:35.680 go there

01:42:36.080 just call

01:42:36.640 there

01:42:36.840 how did

01:42:37.100 you get

01:42:37.380 it

01:42:37.620 I

01:42:38.500 walked

01:42:38.860 in

01:42:39.100 I

01:42:39.240 was

01:42:39.380 on

01:42:39.600 FaceTime

01:42:39.980 with

01:42:40.140 Amelia

01:42:40.460 and I

01:42:41.700 just

01:42:41.940 said

01:42:42.180 my friend

01:42:42.700 was

01:42:42.860 assaulted

01:42:43.240 please

01:42:44.360 can you

01:42:45.180 go through

01:42:45.680 this time

01:42:46.980 frame of

01:42:47.600 footage

01:42:48.000 and see

01:42:48.920 if you

01:42:49.380 have it

01:42:49.780 because I'm

01:42:50.160 pretty sure

01:42:50.580 you guys

01:42:50.960 have a

01:42:51.240 camera

01:42:51.480 facing

01:42:51.860 and lo

01:42:53.200 and behold

01:42:53.600 they found

01:42:54.500 it

01:42:54.760 oh my god

01:42:56.020 and it's

01:42:56.440 so clear

01:42:57.140 it's great

01:42:58.080 footage

01:42:58.800 awesome

01:42:59.220 and on top

01:42:59.980 of it being

01:43:00.380 so clear

01:43:00.920 it is the

01:43:01.540 reason I

01:43:02.100 think you

01:43:03.060 actually got

01:43:03.580 results in

01:43:04.040 this case

01:43:04.400 if I had

01:43:05.380 just retweeted

01:43:05.960 Amelia's

01:43:06.440 testimonial

01:43:07.000 I really

01:43:07.320 don't think

01:43:07.660 this would

01:43:07.960 have drawn

01:43:08.540 as much

01:43:08.900 attention

01:43:09.220 it's the

01:43:09.960 fact that

01:43:10.320 we can

01:43:10.600 see the

01:43:11.000 crime

01:43:11.360 it's so

01:43:12.080 infuriating

01:43:13.120 you want

01:43:14.040 to punch

01:43:14.400 this guy

01:43:14.740 in the

01:43:14.980 face

01:43:15.400 every man

01:43:16.440 on X

01:43:16.960 was resolved

01:43:17.620 to help

01:43:18.060 you at

01:43:18.540 this point

01:43:18.960 Amelia

01:43:19.260 having seen

01:43:19.840 what he

01:43:20.020 did to

01:43:20.320 you

01:43:20.560 and everybody

01:43:21.540 knows it's

01:43:22.060 not like

01:43:22.540 forgive me

01:43:23.000 but like

01:43:23.260 some hysterical

01:43:24.140 college student

01:43:24.820 saying something

01:43:25.480 that may not

01:43:25.960 have happened

01:43:26.420 or she may

01:43:27.220 be exaggerating

01:43:28.000 they can see

01:43:28.560 for themselves

01:43:29.220 this is an

01:43:30.380 assault

01:43:30.840 it really

01:43:31.260 was a

01:43:31.620 sexual assault

01:43:32.560 which is

01:43:33.420 what this

01:43:33.760 guy has

01:43:34.200 an alleged

01:43:34.620 long history

01:43:35.380 of doing

01:43:35.940 so now

01:43:37.860 the story

01:43:38.480 starts going

01:43:39.020 viral on X

01:43:40.140 and the

01:43:40.960 NYPD

01:43:41.640 sees it

01:43:42.800 they told

01:43:43.320 us

01:43:43.500 they did

01:43:43.860 see it

01:43:44.200 on X

01:43:44.640 and now

01:43:45.340 we're going

01:43:45.500 to pick up

01:43:45.780 the story

01:43:46.080 there

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01:43:47.100 quick break

01:43:47.560 don't go

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01:44:50.600 two NYU

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01:44:52.080 have both

01:44:52.540 been attacked

01:44:53.220 in New York

01:44:53.840 City recently

01:44:55.020 right on the

01:44:55.680 street and

01:44:56.420 thanks to

01:44:57.360 the collective

01:44:57.880 effort of

01:44:58.540 these young

01:44:59.120 women and 0.99

01:44:59.740 the Twitter

01:45:00.760 army

01:45:01.240 Amelia's

01:45:02.720 assailant

01:45:03.240 has been

01:45:03.680 caught

01:45:04.080 and is

01:45:04.620 in custody

01:45:05.240 right now

01:45:06.040 we just

01:45:07.240 found out

01:45:07.740 that he

01:45:07.980 has a

01:45:08.200 court

01:45:08.380 hearing

01:45:08.620 today

01:45:09.000 we believe

01:45:09.400 he's

01:45:09.520 going to

01:45:09.680 get

01:45:09.780 arraigned

01:45:10.160 today

01:45:10.620 he's

01:45:10.880 in

01:45:11.040 custody

01:45:11.340 and

01:45:12.420 we

01:45:12.800 just

01:45:12.960 found

01:45:13.160 out

01:45:13.320 Amelia

01:45:13.560 that

01:45:13.820 he's

01:45:14.100 a

01:45:14.320 registered

01:45:14.700 sex

01:45:15.380 offender

01:45:15.900 here he

01:45:16.960 is

01:45:17.140 his name

01:45:17.440 is

01:45:17.580 James

01:45:17.960 Rizzo

01:45:18.360 the man

01:45:18.680 accused

01:45:19.120 of

01:45:19.560 really

01:45:20.460 it was

01:45:20.700 a sexual

01:45:21.140 assault

01:45:21.520 because

01:45:21.820 he

01:45:22.040 hit

01:45:23.120 you

01:45:23.280 so

01:45:23.500 hard

01:45:23.700 on

01:45:23.840 the

01:45:23.960 backside

01:45:24.340 I

01:45:25.420 don't

01:45:25.820 know

01:45:25.940 if

01:45:26.020 that's

01:45:26.200 an

01:45:26.300 okay

01:45:26.480 term

01:45:26.800 for

01:45:26.980 you

01:45:27.200 it

01:45:27.440 implies

01:45:28.060 something

01:45:28.420 that

01:45:28.640 didn't

01:45:28.920 happen

01:45:29.220 as well

01:45:29.600 but

01:45:29.840 it was

01:45:31.000 a vicious

01:45:31.300 assault

01:45:31.660 by any

01:45:32.040 measure

01:45:32.320 and that

01:45:32.700 his name

01:45:33.060 is

01:45:33.180 James

01:45:33.400 Rizzo

01:45:33.680 so he

01:45:34.000 will be

01:45:34.440 answering

01:45:35.360 to those

01:45:35.720 charges

01:45:36.080 and let

01:45:36.860 me tell

01:45:37.040 you

01:45:37.120 something

01:45:37.320 Amelia

01:45:37.600 you're

01:45:38.040 a very

01:45:38.300 lucky

01:45:38.580 woman 0.99

01:45:38.920 because

01:45:39.680 as you

01:45:40.740 probably

01:45:40.940 know

01:45:41.120 now

01:45:41.500 he

01:45:42.060 just

01:45:42.260 got

01:45:42.440 out

01:45:42.600 of

01:45:42.780 state

01:45:43.180 prison

01:45:43.560 two

01:45:44.200 months

01:45:44.460 ago

01:45:44.800 where

01:45:45.680 he

01:45:45.820 served

01:45:46.020 a

01:45:46.160 two

01:45:46.340 year

01:45:46.480 sentence

01:45:46.840 for

01:45:47.100 a

01:45:47.260 quote

01:45:47.480 persistent

01:45:48.140 sexual

01:45:48.960 abuse

01:45:49.500 conviction

01:45:50.020 and as

01:45:51.000 I

01:45:51.120 mentioned

01:45:51.340 at the

01:45:51.600 top

01:45:51.920 he

01:45:52.820 actually

01:45:53.220 had

01:45:53.460 a

01:45:53.660 murder

01:45:53.880 charge

01:45:54.320 against

01:45:54.640 him

01:45:59.220 so

01:45:59.480 this

01:45:59.900 is

01:46:00.020 a

01:46:00.120 very

01:46:00.280 dangerous

01:46:00.740 man

01:46:01.200 and

01:46:02.340 this

01:46:02.760 could

01:46:02.920 have

01:46:03.000 been

01:46:03.140 far

01:46:03.720 worse

01:46:04.640 not to

01:46:05.020 diminish

01:46:05.300 what

01:46:05.500 happened

01:46:05.880 but

01:46:06.560 as

01:46:06.700 you

01:46:06.800 see

01:46:06.960 his

01:46:07.160 face

01:46:07.480 there

01:46:07.760 up

01:46:07.980 close

01:46:08.360 and

01:46:08.480 you

01:46:08.580 hear

01:46:08.780 that

01:46:09.540 he's

01:46:09.640 on

01:46:09.720 a

01:46:09.860 sex

01:46:10.060 offender

01:46:10.460 registry

01:46:11.080 how does

01:46:12.160 that

01:46:12.260 make

01:46:12.380 you

01:46:12.500 feel

01:46:12.760 I'm

01:46:14.420 honestly

01:46:15.160 terrified

01:46:15.700 and also

01:46:16.600 grateful

01:46:17.040 at the

01:46:17.380 same

01:46:17.560 time

01:46:18.000 I'm

01:46:18.440 so

01:46:18.860 grateful

01:46:19.260 I

01:46:19.620 wasn't

01:46:20.260 alone

01:46:20.880 on

01:46:21.340 like

01:46:21.640 a

01:46:21.900 dark

01:46:22.340 abandoned

01:46:23.980 street

01:46:24.440 with

01:46:24.860 no

01:46:25.080 people

01:46:25.420 around

01:46:25.900 and

01:46:26.380 also

01:46:26.600 I'm

01:46:26.840 so

01:46:27.080 thankful

01:46:27.500 that

01:46:28.180 no

01:46:28.380 weapons

01:46:28.720 were

01:46:28.900 involved

01:46:29.300 because

01:46:29.720 this

01:46:30.300 could

01:46:30.440 have

01:46:30.500 been

01:46:30.700 so

01:46:31.100 much

01:46:31.340 worse

01:46:31.720 knowing

01:46:32.040 now

01:46:32.440 who

01:46:32.980 he

01:46:33.120 actually

01:46:33.480 is

01:46:33.920 yeah

01:46:34.980 seriously

01:46:35.860 and

01:46:36.280 they

01:46:36.660 they

01:46:37.460 caught

01:46:37.860 him

01:46:38.100 later

01:46:38.300 that

01:46:38.560 day

01:46:39.020 by the

01:46:40.040 way

01:46:40.160 his

01:46:40.340 rap

01:46:40.560 sheet

01:46:40.740 includes

01:46:41.060 charges

01:46:41.400 that

01:46:41.580 he

01:46:41.660 grabbed

01:46:41.940 a

01:46:42.100 woman's 0.82

01:46:42.480 breast

01:46:42.820 in

01:46:42.980 manhattan

01:46:43.380 in

01:46:44.040 december

01:46:44.420 of

01:46:44.580 23

01:46:45.020 allegedly

01:46:46.260 snapping

01:46:46.780 at

01:46:47.020 the

01:46:47.160 victim

01:46:47.460 oh

01:46:47.760 you

01:46:47.940 want

01:46:48.180 more

01:46:48.560 he

01:46:49.600 was

01:46:50.280 caught

01:46:50.800 yesterday

01:46:51.520 allegedly

01:46:52.220 in

01:46:52.620 the

01:46:52.820 act

01:46:53.200 of

01:46:53.360 burglarizing

01:46:54.100 an

01:46:54.280 apartment

01:46:54.640 near

01:46:54.940 washington

01:46:55.340 square

01:46:55.660 park

01:46:56.140 he

01:46:56.860 was

01:46:57.020 also

01:46:57.480 charged

01:46:57.740 with

01:46:57.880 four

01:46:58.120 burglaries

01:46:58.740 which

01:46:59.820 is

01:47:00.000 three

01:47:00.440 of

01:47:00.600 which

01:47:00.740 while

01:47:01.000 the

01:47:01.120 residents

01:47:01.360 were

01:47:01.560 sleeping

01:47:02.020 which

01:47:02.800 is

01:47:02.940 good

01:47:03.120 for

01:47:03.300 you

01:47:03.540 i mean

01:47:03.900 it's

01:47:04.060 better

01:47:04.260 if

01:47:04.400 he

01:47:04.460 has

01:47:04.580 more

01:47:04.780 charges

01:47:05.200 he's

01:47:05.640 more

01:47:05.800 likely

01:47:06.060 to

01:47:06.340 stay

01:47:07.020 behind

01:47:07.400 bars

01:47:07.680 which

01:47:07.880 has

01:47:08.080 to

01:47:08.200 be

01:47:08.340 a

01:47:08.600 concern

01:47:09.560 of

01:47:09.720 yours

01:47:09.900 i'll

01:47:10.120 round

01:47:10.280 back

01:47:10.500 to

01:47:10.640 that

01:47:10.800 in

01:47:10.920 one

01:47:11.080 second

01:47:11.380 summer

01:47:12.240 i

01:47:13.580 know

01:47:14.380 you

01:47:14.580 and

01:47:14.680 your

01:47:14.780 family

01:47:15.040 very

01:47:15.400 well

01:47:15.680 and

01:47:15.880 i

01:47:16.060 did

01:47:16.180 not

01:47:16.380 know

01:47:16.780 that

01:47:17.500 you

01:47:17.780 were

01:47:18.020 assaulted

01:47:18.620 last

01:47:19.680 spring

01:47:20.120 i

01:47:20.340 think

01:47:20.600 that's

01:47:20.900 because

01:47:21.340 it's

01:47:22.500 like

01:47:22.720 common

01:47:23.580 it's

01:47:24.180 it's

01:47:24.520 it's

01:47:24.880 not

01:47:25.100 even

01:47:25.340 that

01:47:25.620 huge

01:47:26.140 a

01:47:26.980 headline

01:47:27.420 for

01:47:27.800 young

01:47:28.040 women 1.00

01:47:28.260 in

01:47:28.440 new

01:47:28.560 york

01:47:28.760 anymore

01:47:29.140 yeah

01:47:31.140 i

01:47:31.800 i

01:47:33.640 this

01:47:34.080 is

01:47:34.300 one

01:47:34.720 of

01:47:34.820 the

01:47:34.920 most

01:47:35.100 frustrating

01:47:35.620 parts

01:47:36.140 about

01:47:36.360 the

01:47:36.560 situation

01:47:36.960 because

01:47:37.220 i

01:47:37.400 think

01:47:37.580 as

01:47:37.760 women 1.00

01:47:38.120 we

01:47:38.840 are

01:47:38.980 told

01:47:39.360 this

01:47:39.920 always

01:47:40.220 happens

01:47:40.680 but

01:47:41.380 what

01:47:41.560 the

01:47:41.720 narrative

01:47:41.940 needs

01:47:42.240 to

01:47:42.380 be

01:47:42.500 is

01:47:42.640 this

01:47:42.860 always

01:47:43.140 happens

01:47:43.520 and

01:47:43.700 there's

01:47:43.880 something

01:47:44.100 done

01:47:44.360 about

01:47:44.620 it

01:47:44.840 i

01:47:45.560 didn't

01:47:46.020 go

01:47:46.260 public

01:47:46.620 my

01:47:46.900 attack

01:47:47.300 because

01:47:47.820 it

01:47:48.780 honestly

01:47:49.160 was

01:47:49.520 very

01:47:49.760 traumatizing

01:47:50.360 and

01:47:50.600 hard

01:47:50.780 to

01:47:50.920 talk

01:47:51.140 about

01:47:51.420 i

01:47:52.040 was

01:47:52.200 struck

01:47:52.540 in

01:47:52.940 the

01:47:53.080 face

01:47:53.500 by

01:47:54.400 a

01:47:54.740 35

01:47:55.660 year

01:47:56.780 old

01:47:56.940 man

01:47:57.260 and

01:47:58.580 i

01:47:59.400 was

01:47:59.580 struck

01:47:59.880 because

01:48:00.300 he

01:48:00.740 was

01:48:01.000 verbally

01:48:01.360 assaulting

01:48:01.840 my

01:48:02.040 friend

01:48:02.360 and

01:48:02.660 i

01:48:02.780 asked

01:48:03.020 a

01:48:03.160 simple

01:48:03.420 question

01:48:03.920 to

01:48:04.460 try

01:48:04.620 to

01:48:04.780 deter

01:48:05.020 him

01:48:05.160 away

01:48:05.480 and

01:48:06.220 he

01:48:06.440 responded

01:48:06.880 with

01:48:07.320 immediate

01:48:08.180 and

01:48:08.700 hard

01:48:09.420 violence

01:48:09.980 wow

01:48:11.940 what

01:48:12.580 time

01:48:12.940 of

01:48:13.100 day

01:48:13.240 was

01:48:13.400 that

01:48:13.640 it

01:48:15.080 was

01:48:15.240 around

01:48:15.480 10

01:48:15.900 so

01:48:16.680 it

01:48:17.540 was

01:48:17.680 a

01:48:17.800 little

01:48:17.900 different

01:48:18.320 from

01:48:18.800 amelius

01:48:19.740 case

01:48:20.060 which

01:48:20.260 was

01:48:20.440 in

01:48:20.580 broad

01:48:20.780 daylight

01:48:21.180 okay

01:48:22.220 and

01:48:23.080 did

01:48:23.240 you

01:48:23.360 ever

01:48:23.680 like

01:48:24.180 how

01:48:24.300 do

01:48:24.380 you

01:48:24.420 know

01:48:24.520 he

01:48:24.620 was

01:48:24.700 35

01:48:25.020 was

01:48:25.680 he

01:48:25.800 apprehended

01:48:26.380 um

01:48:27.920 he

01:48:28.200 was

01:48:28.400 not

01:48:28.620 that's

01:48:28.940 just

01:48:29.060 my

01:48:29.260 guess

01:48:29.660 unfortunately

01:48:31.020 it

01:48:31.740 became

01:48:32.020 a

01:48:32.160 cold

01:48:32.380 case

01:48:32.820 he

01:48:33.040 was

01:48:33.160 not

01:48:33.360 found

01:48:33.720 but

01:48:34.520 crazy

01:48:36.020 enough

01:48:36.500 this

01:48:37.420 summer

01:48:37.700 i

01:48:37.900 was

01:48:38.060 on

01:48:38.160 a

01:48:38.280 lunch

01:48:38.480 break

01:48:38.800 and

01:48:39.040 i

01:48:39.180 saw

01:48:39.360 him

01:48:39.500 walking

01:48:39.780 around

01:48:40.260 um

01:48:41.220 wow

01:48:41.660 traumatizing

01:48:44.840 yeah

01:48:45.600 it was

01:48:46.180 very

01:48:46.400 scary

01:48:46.800 and

01:48:48.060 not

01:48:48.260 in

01:48:48.400 the

01:48:48.500 way

01:48:48.680 that

01:48:48.980 people

01:48:49.580 use

01:48:49.840 that

01:48:50.020 term

01:48:50.300 trauma

01:48:50.760 you

01:48:51.480 know

01:48:51.560 too

01:48:51.740 many

01:48:51.900 times

01:48:52.200 like

01:48:52.400 this

01:48:52.640 this

01:48:53.200 guy

01:48:53.320 did

01:48:53.540 assault

01:48:53.840 you

01:48:54.100 and

01:48:55.500 like

01:48:55.780 this

01:48:56.660 rizzo

01:48:56.980 guy

01:48:57.300 may

01:48:58.120 have

01:48:58.300 a

01:48:58.420 history

01:48:58.840 of

01:48:59.900 sexual

01:49:00.380 assaults

01:49:01.120 rapes

01:49:01.520 attempted

01:49:01.980 murders

01:49:02.340 who

01:49:02.560 knows

01:49:03.020 where

01:49:03.820 like

01:49:04.080 you

01:49:04.340 actually

01:49:04.800 do

01:49:05.180 need

01:49:05.540 to

01:49:05.740 worry

01:49:06.060 and

01:49:06.740 one

01:49:06.960 of

01:49:07.060 the

01:49:07.180 reasons

01:49:07.460 you

01:49:07.680 both

01:49:07.960 need

01:49:08.200 to

01:49:08.340 worry

01:49:08.620 unfortunately

01:49:09.300 and

01:49:10.220 i

01:49:10.600 have

01:49:10.700 a

01:49:10.800 daughter

01:49:10.980 too

01:49:11.280 i

01:49:11.520 need

01:49:11.660 to

01:49:11.780 worry

01:49:12.040 even

01:49:12.700 i

01:49:12.860 as

01:49:13.000 a

01:49:13.220 50

01:49:13.840 some

01:49:14.080 odd

01:49:14.280 year

01:49:14.420 old

01:49:14.600 woman 0.99

01:49:14.820 need

01:49:15.000 to

01:49:15.100 worry

01:49:15.260 is

01:49:15.980 let's

01:49:17.780 face

01:49:17.980 it

01:49:18.180 the

01:49:18.640 new

01:49:18.860 york

01:49:19.020 cops

01:49:19.300 will

01:49:19.560 arrest

01:49:19.900 these

01:49:20.100 guys

01:49:20.400 but

01:49:21.340 the

01:49:21.580 da

01:49:21.880 and

01:49:22.340 the

01:49:22.500 court

01:49:22.700 system

01:49:23.160 nine

01:49:24.120 times

01:49:24.420 out of

01:49:24.640 ten

01:49:24.880 will

01:49:25.340 not

01:49:25.760 keep

01:49:26.220 them

01:49:26.440 incarcerated

01:49:27.040 it's

01:49:27.920 in

01:49:28.060 large

01:49:28.260 part

01:49:28.520 due

01:49:28.720 to

01:49:28.940 cashless

01:49:29.440 bail

01:49:29.780 where

01:49:30.640 they

01:49:30.820 believe

01:49:31.220 it's

01:49:31.440 racist

01:49:31.800 so

01:49:32.520 they

01:49:32.700 don't

01:49:33.060 require

01:49:33.520 any

01:49:33.740 bail

01:49:33.980 of

01:49:34.120 these

01:49:34.260 guys

01:49:34.500 which

01:49:34.720 leads

01:49:34.940 to

01:49:35.060 the

01:49:35.180 revolving

01:49:35.600 door

01:49:35.820 of

01:49:36.040 i'm

01:49:36.720 here

01:49:36.900 i'm

01:49:37.080 james

01:49:37.340 rizzo

01:49:37.640 goodbye

01:49:37.900 i'm

01:49:38.220 already

01:49:38.500 out

01:49:38.780 back

01:49:39.020 on

01:49:39.220 the

01:49:39.360 streets

01:49:39.720 and

01:49:40.820 i

01:49:41.080 hope

01:49:41.280 this

01:49:41.440 won't

01:49:41.620 happen

01:49:41.880 in

01:49:42.000 your

01:49:42.100 case

01:49:42.320 amelia

01:49:42.620 again

01:49:42.900 because

01:49:43.180 he

01:49:43.360 has

01:49:43.540 other

01:49:43.800 charges

01:49:44.140 too

01:49:44.440 i

01:49:44.700 don't

01:49:44.900 believe

01:49:45.160 that

01:49:45.320 the

01:49:45.420 new

01:49:45.520 york

01:49:45.640 courts

01:49:45.880 will

01:49:46.020 take

01:49:46.220 sexual

01:49:46.560 assault

01:49:46.920 seriously

01:49:47.860 i

01:49:48.160 really

01:49:48.360 don't

01:49:48.660 i

01:49:48.840 have

01:49:49.000 a

01:49:49.080 history

01:49:49.340 of

01:49:49.580 reasons

01:49:50.280 to

01:49:50.500 believe

01:49:50.680 that

01:49:50.960 um

01:49:52.100 but

01:49:53.100 are

01:49:53.260 you

01:49:53.420 worried

01:49:53.760 now

01:49:54.080 about

01:49:54.440 either

01:49:54.800 alvin

01:49:55.220 bragg

01:49:55.540 the da

01:49:55.980 not

01:49:56.800 taking

01:49:57.100 this

01:49:57.280 seriously

01:49:57.640 enough

01:49:58.020 or

01:49:58.300 the

01:49:58.480 courts

01:49:58.720 not

01:49:58.920 taking

01:49:59.200 this

01:49:59.640 seriously

01:50:00.000 enough

01:50:00.340 to

01:50:00.520 where

01:50:00.780 he's

01:50:01.520 gonna

01:50:01.600 be

01:50:01.720 back

01:50:01.900 out

01:50:02.120 on

01:50:02.360 the

01:50:02.480 streets

01:50:02.740 too

01:50:02.980 soon

01:50:03.240 um

01:50:05.120 so

01:50:05.420 they

01:50:05.640 have

01:50:05.820 contacted

01:50:06.300 me

01:50:06.720 the

01:50:06.960 other

01:50:07.120 day

01:50:07.420 and

01:50:07.600 i'm

01:50:07.760 going

01:50:07.980 in

01:50:08.260 and

01:50:08.460 speaking

01:50:08.760 to

01:50:09.020 them

01:50:09.280 so

01:50:10.040 i

01:50:10.860 don't

01:50:10.980 have

01:50:11.200 really

01:50:11.560 much

01:50:11.880 to

01:50:12.140 say

01:50:12.400 yet

01:50:12.640 until

01:50:13.080 i

01:50:13.600 go

01:50:13.900 in

01:50:14.220 and

01:50:19.340 case

01:50:19.600 right

01:50:19.840 now

01:50:20.060 but

01:50:20.480 i'm

01:50:21.240 praying

01:50:21.960 i'm

01:50:22.460 praying

01:50:22.800 they

01:50:22.980 take

01:50:23.200 this

01:50:23.380 seriously

01:50:23.760 because

01:50:24.240 i

01:50:25.180 don't

01:50:25.760 know

01:50:25.920 how

01:50:26.120 i'm

01:50:26.300 supposed

01:50:26.500 to

01:50:26.620 go

01:50:26.740 back

01:50:26.940 to

01:50:27.100 school

01:50:27.440 and

01:50:27.960 go

01:50:28.680 back

01:50:28.900 to

01:50:29.020 my

01:50:29.160 normal

01:50:29.400 life

01:50:29.720 knowing

01:50:30.100 that

01:50:30.540 he's

01:50:30.820 still

01:50:30.980 on

01:50:31.120 the

01:50:31.280 street

01:50:31.580 and

01:50:32.020 because

01:50:32.520 of

01:50:33.080 how

01:50:33.860 much

01:50:34.500 publicity

01:50:35.020 the

01:50:35.500 story

01:50:35.740 has

01:50:35.900 gotten

01:50:36.200 it

01:50:37.040 just

01:50:37.220 makes

01:50:37.540 you

01:50:37.700 really

01:50:37.900 scared

01:50:38.300 yes

01:50:39.980 but

01:50:40.280 it

01:50:40.380 also

01:50:40.680 is

01:50:40.980 your

01:50:41.140 insurance

01:50:41.520 policy

01:50:42.020 you

01:50:42.880 know

01:50:43.060 it's

01:50:43.500 i

01:50:44.280 think

01:50:44.500 also

01:50:44.800 a

01:50:45.020 reason

01:50:45.240 why

01:50:45.700 maybe

01:50:49.340 will

01:50:49.520 be

01:50:49.660 follow

01:50:49.940 up

01:50:50.140 oh

01:50:50.340 i

01:50:50.540 assure

01:50:51.140 you

01:50:51.380 there

01:50:51.700 will

01:50:51.820 be

01:50:51.960 follow

01:50:52.200 up

01:50:52.440 if

01:50:53.020 this

01:50:53.220 guy

01:50:53.380 walks

01:50:53.680 because

01:50:53.940 of

01:50:54.080 alvin

01:50:54.320 bragg

01:50:54.600 or a

01:50:54.900 judge

01:50:55.200 who's

01:50:55.700 too

01:50:55.880 lenient

01:50:56.180 on

01:50:56.380 crime

01:50:56.600 i'm

01:50:57.080 happy

01:50:57.300 to

01:50:57.420 go

01:50:57.560 sit

01:50:57.780 in

01:50:57.940 any

01:50:58.180 courtroom

01:50:58.500 where

01:50:58.800 you

01:50:58.900 need

01:50:59.060 me

01:50:59.240 i will

01:51:00.020 sit

01:51:00.160 in

01:51:00.220 the

01:51:00.300 front

01:51:00.500 row

01:51:00.800 i'll

01:51:01.340 bring

01:51:01.500 my

01:51:01.680 camera

01:51:02.040 it'll

01:51:02.700 be

01:51:02.820 super

01:51:03.040 fun

01:51:03.260 for

01:51:03.420 everyone

01:51:03.720 and

01:51:04.360 we'll

01:51:04.580 make

01:51:04.800 alvin

01:51:05.040 bragg

01:51:05.280 an

01:51:05.360 even

01:51:05.500 bigger

01:51:05.740 star

01:51:06.020 than

01:51:06.180 he

01:51:06.300 is

01:51:06.520 so

01:51:07.280 that's

01:51:07.660 fine

01:51:07.920 maybe

01:51:08.240 he

01:51:08.360 doesn't

01:51:08.580 care

01:51:08.860 i'm

01:51:09.520 gonna

01:51:09.600 make

01:51:09.860 him

01:51:10.040 care

01:51:10.320 and

01:51:11.000 any

01:51:11.180 judge

01:51:11.560 who

01:51:11.700 decides

01:51:12.040 this

01:51:12.260 is

01:51:12.360 not

01:51:12.480 a

01:51:12.560 big

01:51:12.640 because

01:51:12.880 it's

01:51:13.160 it is

01:51:13.660 about

01:51:13.880 you

01:51:14.140 but

01:51:14.300 it's

01:51:14.440 about

01:51:14.640 far

01:51:14.880 more

01:51:15.100 than

01:51:15.260 you

01:51:15.440 it's

01:51:15.720 about

01:51:15.880 summer

01:51:16.240 it's

01:51:16.780 about

01:51:16.980 all

01:51:17.200 the

01:51:17.340 young

01:51:17.540 girls 0.98

01:51:17.780 who

01:51:18.220 just

01:51:18.520 you

01:51:19.140 weren't

01:51:19.280 doing

01:51:19.640 anything

01:51:19.960 risky

01:51:20.380 not

01:51:21.060 that

01:51:21.180 I

01:51:21.280 would

01:51:21.380 blame

01:51:21.600 you

01:51:21.720 even

01:51:21.920 if

01:51:22.040 you

01:51:22.140 had

01:51:22.320 been

01:51:22.520 but

01:51:22.740 you

01:51:23.480 literally

01:51:23.840 summer

01:51:24.160 like

01:51:24.380 you

01:51:24.600 walking

01:51:24.980 on

01:51:25.100 the

01:51:25.200 street

01:51:25.360 you

01:51:37.280 golly

01:51:37.520 without

01:51:38.300 doing

01:51:38.540 a

01:51:38.700 drug

01:51:38.980 deal

01:51:39.400 right

01:51:39.840 just

01:51:40.020 living

01:51:40.320 your

01:51:40.500 life

01:51:40.700 as

01:51:40.820 a

01:51:40.920 normal

01:51:41.220 law

01:51:41.520 abiding

01:51:41.800 citizen

01:51:42.220 that

01:51:43.100 you

01:51:43.220 can

01:51:43.340 make

01:51:43.540 it

01:51:43.620 from

01:51:43.760 A

01:51:43.900 to

01:51:44.000 B

01:51:44.220 safely

01:51:44.860 and

01:51:45.220 you

01:51:45.400 must

01:51:45.580 it

01:51:45.780 must

01:51:45.920 have

01:51:46.000 been

01:51:46.080 very

01:51:46.240 destabilizing

01:51:47.200 summer

01:51:47.480 you've

01:51:47.740 had

01:51:47.840 a

01:51:47.940 longer

01:51:48.200 time

01:51:48.920 to

01:51:49.080 process

01:51:49.680 it

01:51:50.080 yeah

01:51:51.420 it

01:51:51.880 definitely

01:51:52.320 I

01:51:53.400 would

01:51:53.560 say

01:51:53.840 it

01:51:54.300 kind

01:51:54.680 of

01:51:54.860 came

01:51:55.300 in

01:51:55.480 waves

01:51:55.960 I

01:51:56.660 remember

01:51:57.220 short

01:51:58.060 thereafter

01:51:58.540 I

01:51:59.060 was

01:51:59.280 in

01:51:59.380 an

01:51:59.560 elevator

01:51:59.980 and

01:52:00.420 a

01:52:00.580 man

01:52:00.820 that

01:52:01.100 kind

01:52:01.320 of

01:52:01.420 looked

01:52:01.620 similar

01:52:02.020 walked

01:52:02.380 in

01:52:02.620 and

01:52:02.860 I

01:52:03.040 just

01:52:03.800 froze

01:52:04.420 and

01:52:05.320 it

01:52:05.720 sticks

01:52:06.480 with

01:52:06.780 you

01:52:06.980 but

01:52:07.260 it

01:52:07.400 doesn't

01:52:07.700 define

01:52:08.200 how

01:52:10.380 I

01:52:10.600 feel

01:52:10.980 in

01:52:11.660 general

01:52:12.040 I

01:52:12.620 definitely

01:52:13.220 think

01:52:13.540 it's

01:52:13.740 made

01:52:13.900 me

01:52:14.120 way

01:52:14.560 more

01:52:14.800 precautious

01:52:15.580 when

01:52:16.200 walking

01:52:16.580 and

01:52:17.640 when

01:52:18.220 interacting

01:52:19.160 with people

01:52:19.780 that

01:52:20.140 are

01:52:20.540 mentally

01:52:20.900 ill

01:52:21.300 but

01:52:22.180 I

01:52:23.700 I'm

01:52:24.640 proud

01:52:24.880 to go

01:52:25.160 to NYU

01:52:25.620 and I'm

01:52:26.380 proud

01:52:26.800 to live

01:52:27.120 in the

01:52:27.340 city

01:52:27.640 but there

01:52:29.020 has to

01:52:29.400 be

01:52:29.540 things

01:52:29.820 done

01:52:30.000 about

01:52:30.240 this

01:52:30.540 there

01:52:30.740 has

01:52:31.060 to be

01:52:31.440 more

01:52:31.860 concerned

01:52:32.360 about

01:52:33.020 NYU

01:52:33.360 student

01:52:33.740 safety

01:52:34.280 around

01:52:34.920 campus

01:52:35.300 where's

01:52:35.900 NYU

01:52:36.220 on this

01:52:36.720 I mean

01:52:37.040 it's

01:52:37.240 not

01:52:37.420 their

01:52:37.620 campus

01:52:38.520 but

01:52:38.840 it's

01:52:38.960 not

01:52:39.080 their

01:52:39.240 city

01:52:39.620 but

01:52:40.380 where

01:52:40.600 are

01:52:40.720 they

01:52:40.920 back

01:52:41.620 in the

01:52:42.280 dark

01:52:42.880 ages

01:52:43.160 when I

01:52:43.400 was

01:52:43.500 at

01:52:43.620 Syracuse

01:52:43.940 University

01:52:44.440 there

01:52:45.280 was

01:52:45.460 a

01:52:45.620 rash

01:52:45.900 of

01:52:46.100 rapes

01:52:46.480 and

01:52:47.160 they

01:52:47.580 started

01:52:48.320 installing

01:52:48.760 these

01:52:49.000 rape 0.93

01:52:49.260 phones

01:52:49.540 all

01:52:49.840 over

01:52:50.000 the

01:52:50.120 campus

01:52:50.500 like

01:52:50.900 everywhere

01:52:51.720 so

01:52:52.100 if

01:52:52.220 you

01:52:52.320 were

01:52:52.420 in

01:52:52.520 trouble

01:52:52.800 you

01:52:53.240 could

01:52:53.320 immediately

01:52:53.620 pick

01:52:53.940 up

01:52:54.100 one

01:52:54.240 of

01:52:54.340 these

01:52:54.520 phones

01:52:54.840 and

01:52:55.040 call

01:52:55.380 campus

01:52:56.040 security

01:52:56.400 but

01:52:56.580 like

01:52:56.720 what

01:52:56.920 is

01:52:57.080 NYU

01:52:57.440 doing

01:52:57.820 Amelia

01:52:58.100 have

01:52:58.340 they

01:52:58.520 said

01:52:59.460 anything

01:52:59.800 to

01:52:59.980 you

01:53:00.120 about

01:53:00.400 what

01:53:01.480 are

01:53:01.600 they

01:53:01.740 doing

01:53:02.000 to

01:53:02.180 keep

01:53:02.340 their

01:53:02.480 students

01:53:02.760 safe

01:53:03.040 so

01:53:04.620 right

01:53:04.980 after

01:53:05.360 I

01:53:05.480 reported

01:53:05.820 my

01:53:06.060 incident

01:53:06.420 they

01:53:06.820 were

01:53:07.040 very

01:53:07.820 helpful

01:53:08.220 and

01:53:08.900 gave

01:53:09.300 me

01:53:09.420 all

01:53:09.600 the

01:53:09.720 resources

01:53:10.140 to

01:53:10.500 process

01:53:10.900 what

01:53:11.480 happened

01:53:11.960 and

01:53:12.880 as

01:53:13.220 well

01:53:13.420 as

01:53:13.720 they

01:53:13.960 reassured

01:53:14.600 me

01:53:14.740 that

01:53:14.920 they're

01:53:15.120 going

01:53:15.240 to

01:53:15.320 take

01:53:15.640 the

01:53:15.820 next

01:53:16.060 steps

01:53:16.460 for

01:53:16.860 campus

01:53:17.240 safety

01:53:17.680 they

01:53:18.340 have

01:53:18.560 not

01:53:18.960 reached

01:53:19.360 out

01:53:19.560 to

01:53:19.700 me

01:53:19.960 saying

01:53:20.380 what

01:53:20.700 they

01:53:21.160 were

01:53:21.260 doing

01:53:21.600 but

01:53:22.260 I

01:53:22.740 made

01:53:23.180 sure

01:53:23.580 to

01:53:25.260 highlight

01:53:28.220 how

01:53:28.780 a lot

01:53:29.500 of

01:53:29.620 NYU

01:53:29.940 students

01:53:30.440 weren't

01:53:31.220 aware

01:53:31.640 of

01:53:31.920 what

01:53:32.080 happened

01:53:32.440 to

01:53:32.640 me

01:53:32.780 that

01:53:33.000 day

01:53:33.300 and

01:53:33.500 I

01:53:33.600 just

01:53:33.760 wanted

01:53:34.020 to

01:53:34.520 let

01:53:34.680 them

01:53:34.860 know

01:53:35.060 that

01:53:35.280 they

01:53:35.460 need

01:53:35.680 to

01:53:35.840 be

01:53:35.980 better

01:53:36.280 on

01:53:36.680 communicating

01:53:37.200 with

01:53:37.700 NYU

01:53:38.080 students

01:53:38.700 and

01:53:39.020 that

01:53:39.220 they

01:53:39.400 should

01:53:39.560 all

01:53:39.820 know

01:53:40.080 when

01:53:40.300 things

01:53:40.540 like

01:53:40.700 this

01:53:40.920 happen

01:53:41.360 is

01:53:42.920 there

01:53:43.060 anything

01:53:43.380 you

01:53:43.620 know

01:53:43.680 I

01:53:43.760 look

01:53:43.920 at

01:53:44.020 that

01:53:44.160 tape

01:53:44.400 Amelia

01:53:44.680 we

01:53:45.860 should

01:53:46.020 roll

01:53:46.180 it

01:53:46.260 one

01:53:46.380 more

01:53:46.500 time

01:53:46.720 so

01:53:46.860 people

01:53:47.000 can

01:53:47.140 see

01:53:47.300 it

01:53:47.480 I

01:53:48.340 look

01:53:48.540 at

01:53:48.620 that

01:53:48.760 tape

01:53:48.980 and

01:53:49.100 I

01:53:49.520 don't

01:53:49.700 see

01:53:49.900 anything

01:53:50.180 you

01:53:50.340 could

01:53:50.480 have

01:53:50.560 done

01:53:50.720 differently

01:53:51.080 I

01:53:51.400 mean

01:53:51.500 some

01:53:51.700 people

01:53:51.920 were

01:53:52.040 like

01:53:52.200 don't

01:53:52.480 wear

01:53:52.620 headphones

01:53:53.120 but

01:53:53.800 even

01:53:53.960 if

01:53:54.100 you

01:53:54.160 hadn't

01:53:54.320 been

01:53:54.440 wearing

01:53:54.680 headphones

01:53:55.180 you

01:53:56.140 had

01:53:56.320 like

01:53:56.560 one

01:53:57.060 second

01:53:57.540 to

01:53:57.840 realize

01:53:58.300 you

01:53:58.960 were

01:53:59.060 about

01:53:59.200 to

01:53:59.340 get

01:53:59.480 hit

01:53:59.780 like

01:53:59.960 I

01:54:00.060 just

01:54:00.200 I

01:54:00.940 be

01:54:01.100 the

01:54:01.260 first

01:54:01.480 to

01:54:01.620 say

01:54:01.800 Amelia

01:54:02.080 don't

01:54:02.320 wear

01:54:02.460 headphones

01:54:02.800 if

01:54:02.940 I

01:54:03.000 thought

01:54:03.140 that

01:54:03.280 would

01:54:03.380 have

01:54:03.500 saved

01:54:03.760 you

01:54:03.920 it

01:54:04.080 to

01:54:04.600 me

01:54:04.820 I

01:54:05.040 don't

01:54:05.180 see

01:54:05.360 that

01:54:05.540 at

01:54:05.640 all

01:54:05.800 on

01:54:05.900 this

01:54:06.040 tape

01:54:06.220 I

01:54:06.340 don't

01:54:06.500 know

01:54:06.780 if

01:54:07.520 there's

01:54:07.700 anything

01:54:08.040 you

01:54:08.260 could

01:54:08.400 have

01:54:08.500 done

01:54:08.680 differently

01:54:09.040 but

01:54:09.320 how

01:54:09.740 do

01:54:09.840 you

01:54:09.940 see

01:54:10.100 it

01:54:10.360 yeah

01:54:11.980 I

01:54:12.160 definitely

01:54:12.500 been

01:54:12.840 getting

01:54:13.400 a lot

01:54:13.660 of

01:54:13.760 comments

01:54:14.080 saying

01:54:14.560 don't

01:54:15.300 wear

01:54:15.420 headphones

01:54:15.780 in

01:54:15.940 the

01:54:16.060 city

01:54:16.300 I

01:54:16.740 definitely

01:54:17.100 agree

01:54:17.460 I

01:54:18.180 think

01:54:18.420 that

01:54:18.600 all

01:54:18.760 women 1.00

01:54:19.020 just

01:54:19.460 for

01:54:19.640 right

01:54:19.860 now

01:54:20.160 please

01:54:20.640 do

01:54:20.800 not

01:54:20.940 wear

01:54:21.100 headphones

01:54:21.580 always

01:54:22.060 be

01:54:22.280 aware

01:54:22.620 you

01:54:22.840 should

01:54:22.980 have

01:54:23.140 your

01:54:23.260 head

01:54:23.440 on

01:54:23.580 a

01:54:23.700 swivel

01:54:23.980 constantly

01:54:24.640 but

01:54:34.600 done

01:54:34.880 but

01:54:35.380 yeah

01:54:36.360 also

01:54:36.640 people

01:54:36.940 are

01:54:37.120 saying

01:54:37.440 you

01:54:38.520 should

01:54:38.700 get

01:54:38.840 out

01:54:38.980 of

01:54:39.080 the

01:54:39.200 city

01:54:39.440 run

01:54:39.900 and

01:54:40.440 I

01:54:41.000 transferred

01:54:41.700 to

01:54:41.940 NYU

01:54:42.300 my

01:54:42.660 dream

01:54:42.900 was

01:54:43.080 to

01:54:43.180 go

01:54:43.280 to

01:54:43.400 NYU

01:54:43.780 I

01:54:44.300 just

01:54:44.800 moved

01:54:45.000 to

01:54:45.180 the

01:54:45.300 city

01:54:45.540 and

01:54:45.700 my

01:54:45.840 dream

01:54:46.040 was

01:54:46.240 to

01:54:46.400 live

01:54:46.540 in

01:54:46.640 New

01:54:46.740 York

01:54:46.860 City

01:54:47.080 and

01:54:47.560 it's

01:54:48.340 the

01:54:48.640 greatest

01:54:48.920 city

01:54:49.240 in

01:54:49.380 the

01:54:49.500 world

01:54:49.800 and

01:54:50.080 you

01:54:50.200 know

01:54:50.440 New

01:54:51.280 York

01:54:51.580 is

01:54:51.880 always

01:54:52.060 going

01:54:52.220 to

01:54:52.280 come

01:54:52.460 back

01:54:52.860 and

01:54:53.140 so

01:54:53.560 will

01:54:53.760 Summer

01:54:54.020 and

01:54:54.200 I

01:54:54.380 after

01:54:54.600 these

01:54:54.880 experiences

01:54:55.460 and

01:54:55.900 I

01:54:56.220 want

01:54:56.800 to

01:54:56.920 reassure

01:54:57.320 and

01:54:57.480 tell

01:54:57.640 everyone

01:54:57.980 that

01:54:58.480 experiences

01:54:59.420 like

01:54:59.800 these

01:55:00.180 aren't

01:55:00.600 going

01:55:00.740 to

01:55:00.940 defeat

01:55:01.420 me

01:55:01.760 and

01:55:01.980 other

01:55:02.200 people

01:55:02.620 and

01:55:03.180 I'm

01:55:03.340 not

01:55:03.580 going

01:55:03.680 to

01:55:03.760 let

01:55:03.980 this

01:55:04.240 man

01:55:04.560 disintegrate

01:55:06.100 my

01:55:06.280 dream

01:55:06.600 good

01:55:08.140 good

01:55:08.780 for

01:55:09.000 you

01:55:09.300 and

01:55:10.160 honestly

01:55:10.560 it's

01:55:10.820 like

01:55:11.060 getting

01:55:12.320 struck

01:55:12.620 by

01:55:12.820 lightning

01:55:13.140 the odds

01:55:13.920 of actually

01:55:14.340 becoming

01:55:14.640 a crime

01:55:15.340 victim

01:55:15.660 are

01:55:16.020 slim

01:55:16.760 even

01:55:17.120 still

01:55:17.440 in

01:55:17.580 New

01:55:17.680 York

01:55:17.840 City

01:55:18.140 the odds

01:55:19.460 of it

01:55:19.620 happening

01:55:19.880 twice

01:55:20.440 even

01:55:21.480 slimmer

01:55:21.920 so

01:55:22.920 hopefully

01:55:23.160 you will

01:55:23.480 feel

01:55:23.660 empowered

01:55:24.060 and

01:55:24.320 hopefully

01:55:24.680 you know

01:55:25.680 you girls 0.95

01:55:26.580 you can

01:55:27.060 go

01:55:27.300 you can

01:55:27.660 take

01:55:27.880 Krav Maga

01:55:28.640 you can

01:55:29.580 get

01:55:29.860 pepper

01:55:30.260 spray

01:55:30.740 you cannot

01:55:31.260 get a

01:55:31.640 gun

01:55:31.800 in

01:55:31.960 New York

01:55:32.180 City

01:55:32.380 it's

01:55:32.560 impossible

01:55:32.960 all our

01:55:33.360 friends

01:55:33.560 watching

01:55:33.860 this

01:55:34.020 in

01:55:34.140 Texas

01:55:34.380 are like

01:55:34.740 why don't

01:55:34.940 you just

01:55:35.100 get a

01:55:35.320 gun

01:55:35.580 my

01:55:36.400 Texas

01:55:37.020 friends

01:55:37.280 are like

01:55:37.500 why

01:55:37.680 wouldn't

01:55:37.880 they be

01:55:38.120 carrying

01:55:38.480 they don't

01:55:38.840 understand

01:55:39.320 like

01:55:39.900 you

01:55:40.020 literally

01:55:40.520 cannot

01:55:40.820 get a

01:55:41.220 gun

01:55:41.380 unless

01:55:41.640 you

01:55:41.800 have

01:55:42.040 you know

01:55:42.660 some

01:55:42.860 serious

01:55:43.280 threat

01:55:43.560 against

01:55:43.900 you

01:55:44.220 get

01:55:45.040 some

01:55:45.220 brass

01:55:45.500 knuckles

01:55:45.880 you

01:55:46.360 figuratively

01:55:47.160 already

01:55:47.580 have the

01:55:48.060 brass

01:55:48.320 knuckles

01:55:48.600 now

01:55:48.880 girls 0.98

01:55:49.200 because

01:55:49.620 you

01:55:50.240 did

01:55:50.460 everything

01:55:50.860 a

01:55:51.140 woman 0.99

01:55:51.340 can

01:55:51.560 do

01:55:51.800 I

01:55:51.940 mean

01:55:52.060 really

01:55:52.460 I

01:55:52.680 think

01:55:52.880 nine

01:55:53.280 out

01:55:53.420 of

01:55:53.500 ten

01:55:53.640 women 1.00

01:55:53.940 probably

01:55:54.740 wouldn't

01:55:54.940 have

01:55:55.040 called

01:55:55.180 the

01:55:55.340 cops

01:55:55.600 because

01:55:55.820 they

01:55:55.980 would

01:55:56.080 have

01:55:56.160 realized

01:55:56.460 the odds

01:55:57.780 of

01:55:57.900 something

01:55:58.100 happening

01:55:58.580 you know

01:55:59.260 them

01:55:59.380 actually

01:55:59.680 following

01:56:00.040 up

01:56:00.880 sadly

01:56:01.400 are

01:56:02.020 very

01:56:02.240 slim

01:56:02.600 and I

01:56:03.660 don't

01:56:03.760 know

01:56:03.960 I

01:56:04.100 mean

01:56:04.240 not

01:56:04.720 to

01:56:04.840 go

01:56:04.960 political

01:56:05.300 but

01:56:05.640 do

01:56:06.620 you

01:56:06.760 worry

01:56:07.040 because

01:56:07.320 now

01:56:07.520 we

01:56:07.680 have

01:56:07.840 a

01:56:08.040 soft

01:56:08.880 on

01:56:09.060 crime

01:56:09.320 mayor

01:56:09.620 about

01:56:09.940 to

01:56:10.100 take

01:56:10.280 over

01:56:10.560 who

01:56:11.440 says

01:56:11.900 things

01:56:12.100 like

01:56:12.280 this

01:56:12.500 I'm

01:56:12.640 going

01:56:12.720 to

01:56:12.780 play

01:56:13.000 Sop

01:56:13.260 42

01:56:13.640 the

01:56:19.020 jail

01:56:19.260 population

01:56:19.780 of

01:56:20.020 Rikers

01:56:20.380 has

01:56:20.720 increased

01:56:21.320 since

01:56:21.740 Eric

01:56:21.980 Adams

01:56:22.280 has

01:56:22.580 come

01:56:22.740 into

01:56:22.900 office

01:56:23.220 by

01:56:23.520 more

01:56:24.440 than

01:56:24.560 a

01:56:24.700 thousand

01:56:24.980 additional

01:56:25.640 incarcerated

01:56:26.140 New Yorkers

01:56:26.780 and

01:56:27.800 what

01:56:29.420 is quite

01:56:29.820 staggering

01:56:30.260 to me

01:56:30.720 is that

01:56:31.160 we

01:56:31.680 know

01:56:32.220 that

01:56:33.080 we

01:56:33.520 can

01:56:33.720 reduce

01:56:34.080 that

01:56:34.300 jail

01:56:34.500 population

01:56:35.040 to

01:56:36.000 less

01:56:36.340 than

01:56:36.500 4,000

01:56:37.060 I mean

01:56:37.240 Vital

01:56:37.440 City

01:56:37.640 had

01:56:37.840 an

01:56:37.960 article

01:56:38.180 about

01:56:38.480 a

01:56:38.600 number

01:56:38.820 of

01:56:39.020 different

01:56:39.380 proposals

01:56:40.260 that

01:56:40.500 could

01:56:40.620 reduce

01:56:40.900 it

01:56:41.000 to

01:56:41.100 3,700

01:56:41.600 and

01:56:42.820 some

01:56:44.520 of

01:56:44.640 this

01:56:44.780 also

01:56:44.980 just

01:56:45.180 has

01:56:45.300 to

01:56:45.440 look

01:56:45.580 at

01:56:45.720 the

01:56:48.600 average

01:56:49.040 stay

01:56:49.440 on

01:56:49.660 Rikers

01:56:50.020 in

01:56:50.160 the

01:56:50.280 90s

01:56:50.660 was

01:56:50.800 50

01:56:51.140 days

01:56:51.600 now

01:56:52.420 it's

01:56:52.860 more

01:56:53.040 than

01:56:53.160 100

01:56:53.480 there

01:56:54.260 are

01:56:54.380 more

01:56:54.540 than

01:56:54.720 1,500

01:56:55.300 people

01:56:55.800 on

01:56:55.980 Rikers

01:56:56.280 who

01:56:56.480 have

01:56:56.620 been

01:56:56.760 held

01:56:56.940 there

01:56:57.060 for

01:56:57.200 more

01:56:57.320 than

01:56:57.420 a

01:56:57.560 year

01:56:57.840 so

01:56:58.340 I

01:56:58.440 do

01:56:58.580 think

01:56:58.800 many

01:56:59.080 of

01:56:59.240 the

01:56:59.340 reforms

01:56:59.700 that

01:56:59.860 have

01:57:00.020 to

01:57:00.120 be

01:57:00.220 made

01:57:00.420 are

01:57:00.540 also

01:57:00.780 reforms

01:57:01.260 around

01:57:01.740 the

01:57:03.300 court

01:57:03.560 system

01:57:04.000 so

01:57:06.320 he's

01:57:06.480 talking

01:57:06.660 about

01:57:06.940 opening

01:57:07.700 up

01:57:07.880 Rikers

01:57:08.240 and

01:57:08.940 letting

01:57:09.220 out

01:57:09.380 the

01:57:09.500 people

01:57:09.700 who

01:57:09.820 are

01:57:09.920 in

01:57:10.080 there

01:57:10.320 by

01:57:10.980 the

01:57:11.140 thousand

01:57:11.500 there's

01:57:13.220 also

01:57:13.400 still

01:57:13.740 no

01:57:14.040 promise

01:57:14.360 of

01:57:14.520 getting

01:57:14.680 rid

01:57:14.860 of

01:57:14.960 cashless

01:57:15.320 bail

01:57:15.640 we

01:57:16.240 also

01:57:16.400 have

01:57:16.560 a

01:57:16.680 serious

01:57:16.920 problem

01:57:17.240 with

01:57:17.460 the

01:57:17.600 judges

01:57:17.840 who

01:57:17.980 are

01:57:18.020 on

01:57:18.120 the

01:57:18.240 bench

01:57:18.460 so

01:57:18.580 I

01:57:18.700 do

01:57:18.820 wonder

01:57:19.240 whether

01:57:20.820 that

01:57:21.060 adds

01:57:21.300 to

01:57:21.420 any

01:57:21.520 of

01:57:21.620 your

01:57:21.700 concerns

01:57:22.080 Amelia

01:57:22.380 when

01:57:24.640 I

01:57:26.060 spoke

01:57:26.600 out

01:57:26.860 and

01:57:26.980 decided

01:57:27.280 to

01:57:27.440 share

01:57:27.580 my

01:57:27.820 story

01:57:28.160 I

01:57:28.440 didn't

01:57:28.720 really

01:57:29.020 have

01:57:29.380 the

01:57:29.560 goal

01:57:29.820 of

01:57:30.060 making

01:57:30.300 this

01:57:30.680 kind

01:57:31.060 of

01:57:31.140 any

01:57:31.340 way

01:57:31.840 political

01:57:32.280 I

01:57:33.200 mostly

01:57:33.520 just

01:57:33.760 wanted

01:57:33.960 to

01:57:34.100 do

01:57:34.200 this

01:57:34.420 for

01:57:34.600 basic

01:57:35.160 human

01:57:35.660 safety

01:57:36.120 so

01:57:36.620 after

01:57:37.480 all

01:57:37.720 this

01:57:38.020 I'm

01:57:38.480 really

01:57:38.840 hoping

01:57:39.260 that

01:57:39.680 he

01:57:40.560 and

01:57:40.820 everyone

01:57:41.080 else

01:57:41.460 that

01:57:41.680 is

01:57:42.240 in

01:57:42.440 office

01:57:42.780 and

01:57:43.100 in

01:57:43.620 power

01:57:44.000 is

01:57:44.860 seeing

01:57:45.160 what's

01:57:45.480 going

01:57:45.680 on

01:57:45.920 in

01:57:46.040 New

01:57:46.140 York

01:57:46.280 and

01:57:46.440 actually

01:57:46.760 going

01:57:46.980 to

01:57:47.120 do

01:57:47.260 something

01:57:47.560 about

01:57:47.900 it

01:57:48.060 because

01:57:48.480 if

01:57:49.180 we

01:57:49.340 have

01:57:49.640 these

01:57:49.840 people

01:57:50.080 in

01:57:50.240 office

01:57:50.640 their

01:57:50.960 priority

01:57:51.620 should

01:57:51.940 be

01:57:52.240 their

01:57:52.780 citizens

01:57:53.380 safety

01:57:53.980 it's

01:57:55.480 really

01:57:55.660 scary

01:57:55.940 when you

01:57:56.120 think

01:57:56.260 the

01:57:56.480 population

01:57:57.060 of

01:57:57.300 Rikers

01:57:57.840 in

01:57:58.120 March

01:57:58.460 summer

01:57:58.860 was

01:57:59.140 7,000

01:57:59.920 so

01:58:00.740 he's

01:58:00.840 talking

01:58:01.000 about

01:58:01.180 letting

01:58:01.420 out

01:58:01.760 half

01:58:02.420 half

01:58:03.260 of

01:58:03.380 the

01:58:03.500 criminals

01:58:03.800 who

01:58:03.980 are

01:58:04.060 in

01:58:04.240 there

01:58:04.380 now

01:58:04.720 in

01:58:05.580 addition

01:58:05.860 to

01:58:06.040 this

01:58:06.200 revolving

01:58:06.620 door

01:58:06.780 we

01:58:06.940 have

01:58:07.260 in

01:58:07.820 our

01:58:07.940 court

01:58:08.140 system

01:58:08.440 thanks

01:58:08.700 to

01:58:08.840 the

01:58:08.980 prosecutors

01:58:09.460 who

01:58:09.660 are

01:58:09.740 soft

01:58:10.000 on

01:58:10.160 crime

01:58:10.480 and

01:58:10.800 the

01:58:10.940 courts

01:58:11.660 the

01:58:11.860 judges

01:58:12.180 who

01:58:12.980 go

01:58:13.140 right

01:58:13.360 along

01:58:13.620 with

01:58:13.800 it

01:58:13.920 and

01:58:14.120 they

01:58:14.300 are

01:58:14.440 not

01:58:14.740 the

01:58:14.940 ones

01:58:15.320 who

01:58:16.160 are

01:58:16.280 going

01:58:16.500 to

01:58:16.640 have

01:58:16.780 to

01:58:16.920 walk

01:58:17.220 on

01:58:17.360 the

01:58:17.500 streets

01:58:17.880 and

01:58:18.420 be

01:58:18.580 assaulted

01:58:19.000 the

01:58:19.640 DA

01:58:19.980 is

01:58:20.240 a

01:58:20.360 man

01:58:20.660 the

01:58:21.420 judges

01:58:21.780 tend

01:58:22.080 to

01:58:22.200 be

01:58:22.460 men

01:58:22.940 who

01:58:23.380 are

01:58:23.520 bald

01:58:24.040 and

01:58:24.620 70

01:58:25.120 I

01:58:25.480 have

01:58:25.620 practiced

01:58:26.040 in

01:58:26.260 these

01:58:26.420 courts

01:58:26.680 for

01:58:26.900 many

01:58:27.200 many

01:58:27.440 years

01:58:27.880 and

01:58:28.700 they

01:58:28.860 are

01:58:29.000 not

01:58:29.180 the

01:58:29.340 targets

01:58:29.820 they

01:58:30.200 are

01:58:30.300 not

01:58:30.500 young

01:58:30.920 beautiful

01:58:31.540 girls 0.98

01:58:32.020 in

01:58:32.480 the

01:58:32.600 prime

01:58:32.920 of

01:58:33.080 their

01:58:33.240 youth

01:58:33.660 walking

01:58:34.440 around

01:58:34.760 just

01:58:34.960 trying

01:58:35.180 to

01:58:35.280 get

01:58:35.400 an

01:58:43.140 in

01:58:43.320 the

01:58:43.480 face

01:58:43.880 of

01:58:44.540 this

01:58:45.480 we

01:58:45.700 have

01:58:45.900 to

01:58:46.060 focus

01:58:46.560 for

01:58:47.580 on

01:58:48.720 girls 0.98

01:58:49.200 for

01:58:49.400 girls 0.98

01:58:49.700 and

01:58:49.880 people

01:58:50.180 for

01:58:50.380 people

01:58:50.760 we're

01:58:51.200 all

01:58:51.540 living

01:58:51.980 no

01:58:52.200 matter

01:58:52.400 who's

01:58:53.440 elected

01:58:53.820 we're

01:58:54.100 all

01:58:54.380 still

01:58:54.660 living

01:58:54.900 here

01:58:55.200 and

01:58:56.060 if

01:58:56.680 we

01:58:56.800 protect

01:58:57.160 each

01:58:57.400 other

01:58:57.760 whether

01:58:58.300 that's

01:58:58.640 men

01:58:58.880 protecting

01:58:59.380 girls 0.98

01:59:00.780 girls 0.98

01:59:01.260 protecting

01:59:01.680 girls 0.98

01:59:02.040 girls 0.98

01:59:02.300 protecting

01:59:02.740 men

01:59:03.100 even

01:59:03.740 we

01:59:04.400 need

01:59:04.580 to

01:59:04.680 do

01:59:04.780 that

01:59:04.940 for

01:59:05.120 each

01:59:05.280 other

01:59:05.560 no

01:59:06.360 matter

01:59:06.540 who's

01:59:06.840 in

01:59:06.960 power

01:59:07.300 well

01:59:08.260 sadly

01:59:08.640 that's

01:59:09.520 right

01:59:09.740 I

01:59:10.060 mean

01:59:10.140 that's

01:59:10.360 the

01:59:10.460 best

01:59:10.660 option

01:59:10.960 you

01:59:11.080 have

01:59:11.320 because

01:59:11.700 it

01:59:12.400 just

01:59:12.540 doesn't

01:59:12.760 seem

01:59:13.060 you

01:59:13.560 know

01:59:13.640 they're

01:59:13.960 capping

01:59:14.340 the

01:59:14.500 number

01:59:14.700 of

01:59:14.860 cops

01:59:15.220 under

01:59:16.060 this

01:59:16.340 new

01:59:16.540 mayor

01:59:16.800 they're

01:59:17.120 not

01:59:17.280 adding

01:59:17.580 more

01:59:17.960 they've

01:59:18.660 already

01:59:18.800 had

01:59:18.960 their

01:59:19.080 hands

01:59:19.300 tied

01:59:19.560 I mean

01:59:19.740 it's

01:59:19.860 not

01:59:20.020 a

01:59:20.100 good

01:59:20.220 situation

01:59:20.760 thankfully

01:59:21.880 you're

01:59:22.120 sophomores

01:59:22.620 so maybe

01:59:23.120 you don't

01:59:23.360 have

01:59:23.660 that many

01:59:25.260 more

01:59:25.480 years

01:59:25.900 to

01:59:26.600 worry

01:59:27.060 about

01:59:27.300 it

01:59:27.400 but I

01:59:27.640 think

01:59:27.900 self-defense

01:59:28.840 classes

01:59:29.240 would be

01:59:29.820 good

01:59:30.100 they at

01:59:31.080 least

01:59:31.220 feel

01:59:31.440 empowering

01:59:31.900 and

01:59:32.340 you

01:59:32.700 I hope

01:59:33.140 are feeling

01:59:33.560 a little

01:59:33.820 more

01:59:34.080 empowered

01:59:34.560 like

01:59:35.400 today

01:59:40.960 I

01:59:43.280 definitely

01:59:43.700 am

01:59:44.160 it

01:59:44.500 I

01:59:45.300 posted

01:59:45.920 on my

01:59:46.420 ex

01:59:46.940 saying

01:59:47.320 it

01:59:47.580 honestly

01:59:47.940 is

01:59:48.140 helping

01:59:48.380 me

01:59:48.640 sleep

01:59:48.900 at

01:59:49.100 night

01:59:49.340 knowing

01:59:49.700 that

01:59:50.160 I

01:59:50.940 used

01:59:51.220 my

01:59:51.460 voice

01:59:51.960 as

01:59:53.000 many

01:59:53.240 other

01:59:53.480 women 1.00

01:59:53.920 weren't

01:59:54.220 able

01:59:54.500 to

01:59:54.840 to

01:59:55.300 try

01:59:56.340 to get

01:59:56.600 this

01:59:56.820 guy

01:59:57.000 off

01:59:57.200 the

01:59:57.380 streets

01:59:57.700 and

01:59:57.860 it

01:59:58.020 makes

01:59:58.340 me

01:59:58.520 so

01:59:58.760 happy

01:59:59.140 that

01:59:59.560 he

02:00:00.600 isn't

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02:01:00.060 Amelia

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02:01:16.520 God

02:01:17.360 bless

02:01:17.640 you

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02:01:18.620 us

02:01:18.760 know

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02:01:19.020 you

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02:01:22.880 story

02:01:23.080 here

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02:01:24.480 so

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02:01:26.460 love

02:01:26.660 wow

02:01:27.300 what

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02:01:27.780 okay

02:01:28.220 this

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02:01:28.480 the

02:01:28.560 first

02:01:28.680 time

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02:01:30.140 XM

02:01:30.560 Megan

02:01:32.180 Kelly

02:01:32.400 channel

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02:01:33.260 now

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02:01:33.740 pass

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02:01:34.060 over

02:01:34.160 to

02:01:34.280 Emily

02:01:34.500 Jashinsky

02:01:34.980 thank

02:01:35.860 you

02:01:36.280 all

02:01:36.520 for

02:01:36.680 listening

02:01:36.980 we're

02:01:37.220 back

02:01:37.400 tomorrow

02:01:37.700 with

02:01:38.060 Michael

02:01:38.460 Knowles

02:01:38.820 see

02:01:39.080 you

02:01:39.180 then

02:01:39.360 thanks

02:01:41.160 for

02:01:41.300 listening

02:01:41.580 to

02:01:41.760 the

02:01:41.880 Megan

02:01:42.040 Kelly

02:01:42.300 show

02:01:42.680 no

02:01:43.140 BS

02:01:43.560 no

02:01:43.940 agenda

02:01:44.320 and

02:01:44.980 no

02:01:45.180 fear

The Megyn Kelly Show - December 03, 2025

Fani Willis Trump Case Done, COVID Bombshell, and Attacker Caught, with Chamath Palihapitiya, Dave Aronberg, Phil Holloway, and NYU Students ｜ Ep. 1205

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